The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1441 - TNF Preview, Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry, Nebraska Head Coach Matt Rhule, Pete Thamel, Mike McCarthy, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys preview tonight's Thursday Night Football game between the Ravens and Dolphins, chat about last night's World Series Game 5 that saw the Blue Jays take a 3-2 series lead with it going back to Toronto on Friday. Joining the progrum to chat about his press conference and the statements he made about LSU's coaching search, is the Governor of Louisiana, Jeff Landry. Next, Head Football Coach of Nebraska, Matt Rhule joins the show to chat about his new extension keeping him at Nebraska, still having everything in front of them despite a tough loss at Minnesota a couple of weeks ago, and more. The Authority of College Football, Pete Thamel then joins the progrum to clarify his tweet about Matt Rhule's extension as well as breaking down some of the current Head Coaching opening's. Later, Super Bowl Champion, and former Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys, Mike McCarthy joins the show to chat about being back in Pittsburgh for Sunday's Steelers/Packers game, the in-game communication between a play caller/Head Coach and the QB, the Chiefs and Bills game this weekend, the Head Coach's role and involvement with trades at the trade deadline, his plans for the weekend, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our spooky humble abode the Thunderdow on this NFL week nine kickoff Thursday. On 10th 30th, 2025, this program begins now. Football! It is spooky, though. And football kicks off week nine of its NFL season this evening as the Baltimore Ravens with Lamar Jackson back at quarterback. Go down to his hometown of Miami to take on the dolphins as seven and a half point favorites. Now, Lamar Jackson spoke very candidly this week about kicking all the bullshit out of the locker room.

Okay, if we're winning, maybe it's not a problem. We're losing. We need to lock in a little bit more. He was doing that whenever he wasn't even playing. Now, remember, had a hamstring injury a couple weeks back. Everybody saw him on the sideline not going in the game. They thought, well, Mark Jackson, this guy quit on the team. This guy quit on the team.

Turns out that ended up being about a month-long hamstring injury, including a bi-week and then a missed game post that. Now he's back on a Thursday night in Miami in a must-win game for this Baltimore Raven. team. And everybody thinks that they're going to must win and will win. The sports books still have the Baltimore Ravens as the favorites to win the AFC North, even though they're two and five or whatever the hell it is at this point. But they're going to rattle off a bunch of wins of what the sports books thinks. And the reason is because Lamar Jackson is special

and maybe the defense has figured out how to play football. Patrick Ricard being back for the Baltimore Ravens. That fullback is a massive ordeal for the way they operate as well. Will tonight just be an absolute clobbering of the Miami Dolphins? Let's go to one half of the hammer. Bowboys at Bubba Gumpino, he wore his full Dolphins costume today. This is not Halloween. This is Victory Gumpy, heading into a prime time matchup against Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. Last week, you guys played the best game.

You guys have played in a long, long time. Vibes, obviously, immaculate. Can't enjoy an entire victory week, you know, because the game's on Thursday, not on Sunday. You got four good days of celebration here. What did you see from the boys last week against the Falcons that make you think, you know what? Why not? The Miami Dolphins going forward. And how do you like your chances against the Baltimore Ravens, Old Gumpsh?

All season, we couldn't stop the run, and we couldn't run the football. Last week, we did both at a very high level. Got to keep doing that. Let me tell you about the last time the Ravens came into Miami on Thursday night. They were about 12.5 point favorites. Everyone said we're going to get crushed. Boys are going to get that tonight. We're riding this now, madam.

The Finns are going right now. That was the best game I've seen them play all three phases last week in a long, long time. All right, well, thanks for telling us about. about it, you know, we do appreciate you telling us all about what the dolphins did last time against Baltimore Ravens on Thursday night. It feels different just strictly because Lamar Jackson being packed and the vibes in kind of the culture what the Baltimore Ravens are currently at. Obviously, a lot of people in Baltimore, and I don't want to speak for the entire fan base, but it feels like Harbaugh's potentially on, you know, hey, we got a win.

And Lamar Jackson, seemingly with the rest of the locker room in the culture, hey, hey, hey, hey, we got a win. And on defense's side, it's hey, hey, are we playing? Baltimore Ravens football or not over here. I couldn't even imagine the conversations that have taken place behind closed doors over there with the amount of outside pressure that could be creeping into that entire beautiful castle they got over there as a

practice facility. But tonight's a huge one in prime time on Amazon Prime with Kirk and Al and Kaylee Hartung on the call, Carissa Thompson, Richard Sherman, who, don't look now, I think he's going to be in studio here soon. Okay. I do believe Richard Sherman's

coming through the Thunderdome shout, the fits and wit, and then Tony Gonzalez as well. They got a great show, and I think tonight is going to provide a lot of opportunity. They're going to be down in Miami. It's supposed to be 80 degrees. Clear skies down in Miami. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt. Feels like

we're going to have a good game tonight. Oh, yeah. I'm so excited to see Lamar again. It's one of those things you kind of forget about, especially when he, you know, misses games, Ravens have a slow start, and then you forget what Lamar can do. And you mentioned Patrick Ricard. AQ Shipley came in here yesterday, bitching and moaning about his skeleton, but also

about the fact that the Ravens now with Patrick Ricard has completely changed their entire team. But I'll tell you what about Gumpie's point. You go one in five to three and five and six days. All of a sudden those Miami Dolphins do look like they're building something because they beat the

Atlanta Falcons and, you know, Kirk Cousins, but that defense is very good and they hung 30 on them. So all of a sudden, hold on. Miami might be up to something as well. And Baltimore's defense obviously has not been performing that fantastically, which is very abnormal for the Baltimore Ravens as a whole.

And you look at the records. You don't have a lot of wins at the top of this thing. You don't have a lot of wins. Two in five, two and six. Thursday night, prime time. The NFL fresh off its biggest ass weekend in 55 years. Now we got this crap on Thursday night is how you could view that. If you only look at the record.

If you only look at the record, sure. Okay, if you only look at two or five, two and six. We don't do that, though. No, you've got to be deeper right now. Yeah. You got to have some depth. You've got to have culture, which is why I can't wait to show you. one half of the hammer, non-cowboys.

What's the line saying about tonight in your eyes? What's the percentage of money on who? Ladies and gentlemen, brand new AP Mario Ton. Yeah, we're kicking up something for tomorrow for Hallows Eve. So we've got to get in the spirit. But for tonight, seven and a half across the board. Ravens are the favorites on the road. 68% of the money is on the Ravens.

If that was earlier in the season when it was just a historically bad, sign if the public money was over 60% on you. But this last week, it went 5 and 6. If you, 60 plus percent of the bets, 5 and 6 last week, the teams were the chiefs on Monday night football were getting 69% and they absolutely blew them out. So I don't know if that's a bad thing anymore. Ravens tonight at Dolphins 7.5. Okay, so obviously everybody's going to love the Ravens here because Lamar Jackson's back. Yeah. Okay, that's what you're great. And also, what do we think of whenever we think of Miami? We think of McDaniel walking down tunnel with his little off white shoe tags.

He's kind of bopping around while he's going on. We love McDaniel. He was awesome for football. He is still awesome for football. And obviously his brain is kind of all over the NFL right now with the emotions and the shifts and how much he changed and transformed what defenses have to do pre-snap, during snap, and immediately after snap. He was really an innovator.

I think everybody would say, which is why he is and was and became the head coach for the Miami Dolphins. but boy, it was a lot more fun when they were good. Yeah, certainly. The McDaniel experience was a lot more fun whenever they were good. Hopefully, maybe prime time, we get the battle of the best here.

Lamar at his best, McDaniel and two at their best. Does he have a visor on tonight? Do we know if two is wearing a visor like he was on Sunday? Running it back with the visor. One and O with the visor, he said, I'm doing it. Boys want me to keep wearing it.

I'm going to keep doing it. That's very smart. Okay, Ty, last night World Series. Felt like we're talking about Canada's baseball team, maybe handling the 18 inning game, a lot better than the Dodgers. Is that what we're seeing on the field? Yeah, it

certainly looks like that. Dodgers still look a little bit sleepy. The Blue Jays look like they got a lot of juice. First pitch of the game. First pitch of the game, Davis Schneider, lead off Homer, off Blake Snell. That's okay, though. That happens sometimes. Boom. Third pitch of the game. Vladdy Guerrero

lines one into the Dodgers bullpen. Jeez, that's a pot of pop. Yeah, I mean, literally the worst start imaginable. Couldn't, I guess two homers and two pitch. Maybe you could argue would be worse, but same deal. But then the real story of the game is after that, Blue Jay's rookie pitcher, Trey Yassavage.

He set a bunch of records last night, just absolutely dominated the Dodgers. He threw seven innings, three hits, one earned run. He did give up a homer early and then settled down after that. 12 strikeouts. That's the big thing. He is the first pitcher in World Series history to have a 12 strikeout, zero walk game and he also set the World Series rookie

record for strikeouts in a game with 12. That is a record that has stood since 1949. Those are stats courtesy of EMBO. This guy's unbelievable. Just, you know, another kind of fun stat here. Trey is Savage. So he made his debut on September 15th. So he has not

been in the big leagues for very long at all. His base salary this year is $760,000. On the other side, Blake Snell, who, you know, big free agent signing for the Dodgers. His base salary this year is $26 million. So they're not expecting this guy to do this, and he has one of the best performances in the history of the World Series. Blue Jays win 6-1, and now they're going back to Toronto with a 3-2 lead. Do you say $26 million on loser? Yeah, exactly. That's $53 million on a loser down there in the

bayou. Now, Governor Jeff Landry obviously went very viral and became a mega-subject of conversation due to a press conference where he chit-chatted about the future of the LSU head coaching vacancy. The first question is absolutely correct. We are not going down a failed path. And I wanted to tell you something. This is a pattern. Okay. The guy that's here now that wrote that contract cost Texas A&M, 70-something million dollars.

Right now we got a $53 million liability. We are not doing that again. And you know what? I believe, I believe that we're going to find a great coach. Maybe we'll let President Trump pick it. He loves winners, you know. I'm not going to be picking the next coach. But I can promise you, we're going to pick a coach,

and we're going to make sure that that coach is successful. And we're going to make sure that he's compensated properly. And we're going to put metrics on it because I'm tired of rewarding failure in this country. And then leaving the taxpayers on the foot, you know, to foot the bill. So, yeah, absolutely. Who's that? No, I can tell you right now, Scott Woodard is not selecting the next coach.

Hell, I'll let Donald Trump selected before I let him do it. I don't know, but the Board of Supervisors is going to come up with a committee and they're going to go find us a coach. Because what, wait, wait, I want to, hold on, one real quick thing on that. Because here's what y'all reporters need to do. You don't need to start looking

and who represents all these people, like these agents. You know what's interesting? If I'm not mistaken, Woodard's agent, Kelly's agent. The Texas A&M, they're all the same agent. Like, you realize if I would be, I don't know how, y'all, how many sports riders we got here today?

Just you. We should have a bunch. Okay? Like, this is ridiculous. Lawyers would be disbarred for the way these agents act and the way they're able to represent. In fact, there's no doubt, they may even represent some of the players now.

Like, it's really time for the NCAA to put on some guardrails in college sports. because and it's fine. We don't need to guard rails. Big billionaires want to spend all that kind of money, no problem. But if I got to go find $53 million from Kevin, it's not going to be a pleasant conversation. I'm just telling you, like I know. And I think that that's important as well.

Y'all should start looking into that. Ladies and gentlemen, said governor, Jeff Landry. Yeah, Governor! How are you, Governor Landry? You really stirred the pot here today, Governor. You really stirred the pot. It's ridiculous. It really is, Pat. Now, thank you for having me this morning.

You know, the sad part is there's two groups of people that seem to not be, we're not talking about in this equation. One, it's the players. It's the great players that we brought to LSU and the great players that are LSU Tigers right now and then have to operate under all of this chaos. And I tell you, look, I feel for them. I really, really do. We want to make sure that those boys get back on the field.

We want them playing football for the love of. the game. And then the second group is the fans. Because the thing that really started this off was Saturday night after the Texas A&M lost. I'm laying in bed and I'm like, ah, this is a mess telling my wife. Because the worst time for the Louisiana government is when the LSU football team is losing, okay? It's a bad day for me or whoever the governor is. And she says, do you know the board of supervisors raise the ticket prices on Friday? I was like, what? Yeah, for next years. I'm like, no, we're not doing that. Because what Phil's Tiger stadiums are not billionaires.

What Phil's Tiger Stadiums are nurses, plant workers, welders, fillers, truck drivers. Those are the people that go to Tiger Stadium to be entertained, to watch a great game of football. And we should not be piling all of these millions upon millions upon tens of millions of dollars of contracts on the backs of them. Okay. So, Governor, thank you for saying that. And I think your fans will be appreciative of that.

College football fans will be appreciative of that. And thank you for your time. Let's kind of get into this a little bit more. with everything you just said, and then you said at your press conference. So the governor runs the state schools. Is that accurate? So ultimately you are boss at LSU.

Is that a fair assessment? Because I don't know that this is a legitimate question whenever I say this. Yeah. So we've got a number of four-year universities in the state, Louisiana, and each LSU has their own board. It's called the board of supervisors.

It's appointed by the governor under staggered terms. So really, I'm the one that appoints them. They then appoint the president in the AD and the decisions that I made at the university are really made by the board, but there are appointees that represent me. That's pretty much the same way. I think it happens around the state,

around the country. I know that's how it happens in Texas as well. The governor's in charge of appointing the board of Regents of, say, A&M and U.T. Okay, so you have the board of supervisors there at LSU. You said in your press conference that they will either find a committee to

find the coach or they will select a coach. In that entire process, are you in there at all because I think people were saying because you said in there I'm not picking a coach you said I'm not picking a coach but other people will pick the coach I'm not now do you feel though that immediately upon you speaking about it everybody thinks themselves governor Landre was picked a coach that is kind of what people get worried about that is not what you were saying at all right no listen emphatically I am not picking the coach that is not my job the only reason I'm really involved Pat is because this contract that

currently is between the state of Louisiana the Louisiana state's university system, and Brian Kelly leaves the taxpayers of the state on the bill. There's misinformation out there. People are saying, oh, no, the taxpayers aren't liable. They're not reading the contract. On Sunday, I had a meeting with the lawyers as they were talking about whether or not Brian Kelly was terminated, whether we were going to fire him, and all I cared about were the taxpayers of our state, and that contract binds the state of Louisiana. If we have to pay $53 million and somebody else doesn't step up to foot that bill, the state of Louisiana has to foot that bill.

That is in the contract. Okay, so on that note, as you know now, I assume you were told this, Texas A&M's coach, Jimbo as an agent, and Brian Kelly has an agent. Now, I think Brian Kelly's agent potentially also works with Scott Woodward. Let's talk about that, the athletic director, because you would assume at most places, the athletic director would be the one that's picking the coach. You emphatically saying absolutely not.

Is it because the contract and what you learned about what he had done in the past or is it strictly because we can't have a situation look like this again with the $53 million? Because I think a lot of people have said, Scotty Athletic Director for a reason, you're going to have people that aren't in athletics now making an athletics decision. Do you view it that way and why do you think that is kind of how it's going to go? Look, let's unpackage that. Let's talk about, number one, there's a number of bad contracts that seem to have followed Scott Woodard.

Okay. Number two, his agent and Brian Kelly's agent are the same agent. That's something else that's misinformation out there. I believe that Armstrong represents them both. I don't even know if Armstrong represents some of our players in the legal profession. That is called a conflict of interest. How can I trust my athletic director whose agent also represents some of the kids? candidates that are out there. You would think that if the board of supervisors gave, what are the

list of five coaches that are looking to come to LSU? And three or two or one of those coaches is the same agent that he has. Who you think is going to make that list? That is a problem in college sports. Look, in the NFL, those agents are capped at 3%. I think in the MLB, they are. In the NCAA, there's no cap. And these are kids that we're dealing with. These are young people. Pat, it's time for the NCAA to start putting some guardrails around all this money. They are ruining one of the best sports in America. Okay. I mean, college football is the quintessential of football in America, and there's no guardrails.

I love that you are the Louisiana governor, and you love college football. Feels like that should be a prerequisite. Feels like that probably should be in a lot of those states down there in the SEC, because, you know, it is different down there with how you're raised. than the, every place is a cult. I mean, that is just, that is literally how it is down there because there's no professional sports. What you were saying about the guardrails for all this money,

you know, that is something that I think everybody that is involved with college football says, yes, we need that, we need that. But they all say, D.C. needs to do something. You guys are saying the NCAA, but everybody that's in the sport says, we need D.C. to put some federal ruling into this thing if we actually wanted to make it work. Will this be something that maybe Governor Jeff Landry that maybe takes on,

and maybe it maybe takes on with the back pocket. Well, look, I'm hoping that we can create a contract with a great coach at LSU that can be the template. Maybe that's what needs to break in order for somebody to come over here and say, listen, we're going to start building contracts based on performance-based. I have no problem compensating these coaches, even at the level that we're talking about as long as we're winning.

The problem with the NCAA in Congress, look, I've been in Congress. Look, politicians love to kick the can down the road. it makes me a little difference. I don't like it. I like to step on a can. I like to solve the problem. But maybe the NCAA Congress should hold a meeting and say, okay, who's in charge here? But the NCAA could absolutely, there's no reason that they cannot step it and create the guardrails.

They've got great laws. They pay them a lot of money. Okay. Look through the federal guidelines. Look at what the Supreme Court says and come up with some guardrails. Somebody just has to step up. Yeah, somebody has step on a can. You know, instead the can's kind of going.

back and forth here, and if we know anything about both parties, just as somebody that's not been involved in D.C. or in the NCAA, outside looking and not a lot of hoping either of you done, but hopefully that could be different. Hopefully that could be different, Governor Jeff Landry. We can hope that's the case. Last question here. You just talked about, you're not worried about paying a guy or a woman or a coach, whoever you hire, an amount of money if they're winning. I would like to let you know, and you probably know this, the guy that did the Texas A&M deal that agent over there. He reps a lot of coaches. He's got a lot of coaches. I think a couple of the coaches that you probably want down there, the Bat Rouge are going to be in there.

When you say setting the template, what do you mean by that? Legitimately, what do you mean by that? Well, legitimately, I think that everyone is in agreement here in the state of Louisiana, that the next coach that we are is going to have a patently different contract. If that agent, Kate C, what's coming down the pipe and the way that, look, these big name coaches, they're big names because they win. What are they afraid of? of, right? If you're the best, you shouldn't have to worry. You say, guess what? I'm putting my reputation on the line. And when I win, this is how much money I want. There's no guarantee the way the contract's structured now. Tells the guy, listen, you know, in five years,

he might get tired of doing it. He's like, he doesn't have to worry about coaching because he's like, look, as long as I kind of go through the motions, I get another five years at $10 million a year. That's not a bad gig, Pat. If your boys over there are giving great entertainment to ESPN, and we don't get to, we don't enjoy watching, you know, which we absolutely do. Thank you. Guess what happens? You lose sponsors. That's the free market.

All right. I appreciate where your head's at. I think you're up against it, though, Governor. I just want to let you know. I think you're up against it. I appreciate the fact that you're in a position, though, to potentially drive some change in all these things to make our sports world even better. But I think it's a freight train that's already kind of been run away, governor. Well, I know, I know, but, Pat, listen, every one of you all, okay,

all of the sports commentators everyone who's in sports and even former coaches have been consistently saying this. And current coaches. And I give it some current coaches too. Yeah. Yes, yes. Everybody's saying somebody's got to do it though, Governor. Yeah. Somebody needs to kick. Hey, somebody you step on a can, governor.

Step on a can. You're the man. We're stepping on a can. Hey, we appreciate you joining us and explaining yourself a little bit more. It's crazy that the taxpayers, the state are on the hook for that contract if somebody doesn't pay it. I wonder how normal that is. That's insane to hear, actually. And I can see why the governor would be like,

oh, this guy, he's got ruins a Saturday in Baton Rules. We lose the Texas A&M by 50. This guy ruins everybody laughed. And then we got to up taxes to pay. Who did the contract? Yeah, that is a hilarious turn of events. We appreciate you looking into it.

Hopefully you can drive some change to make sure the sport that you're saying could potentially begin ruin. Ratings are only up into the right, governor. Things are only getting better. Just the back end needs cleaned up. Good luck out there in your fight on that and everything else. And also, Gator Hunt.

Good luck out there with the Gator Hunt. Hey, listen, come on with us, Pat. Thank you so much. We love watching y'all guys. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen, Governor Jiflind. Yeah, Governor! That guy's a character. The best.

That guy is an absolute character. He is just himself. Like what he's saying, though. As you see him is how he is in every room that I've seen him. And Gumpy's seen him in a couple different rooms. We go down to LSU. obviously, and I say this again, anytime you can go somewhere with Coach Sabin,

you know, when he's maybe, I don't want a national championship there or six of them, okay, any of those types of things. And you can just kind of happen to just kind of sidecar that thing. You should do that. And we got to do that at LSU. You know, I met some of these people to potentially go have to step up so taxpayers don't have to pay $53 million or whatever the case is because Coach Sabin, obviously, old friends with a lot of the people there.

That's where before he goes to Alabama or before he goes to Miami, He's at LSU, wins a national championship there. And then the way they talk about Governor Jeff Landry. Okay, because that was in the middle of having a live tiger on the sideline. Okay, so that was a big conversation. Governor Jeff Landry was governor. Then he was out, and then Governor Jeff Landry back in. And then Governor Jeff Landry said, my childhood, some of my, my best moments for my family.

When that later, what's the Tigers name? Mike, Mike, the Tiger will roar, all the place would go crazy. I want a tiger back on the sideline. And they're like, well, we can't do that. Obviously, we got Mike outside the stadium in his own sanctuary, but inside the stadium, they said because of the loud and everything, you know, I'm like, I won't, we want a tiger, dude, only, let's get a tagga. And that was happening.

The weak game day was going down there. So I literally just learned in this man's existence and also a governor just being like, I don't care. I'll want a live tiger out. And then inevitably, live tiger was out there. Now, there was a full conversation about how many potential tigers there were because there was protests happening that could have potentially. stop tigers from getting two sidelines.

So I think there was potentially a situation happening. But Governor Jeff Landry, the people that I talk to in Louisiana, and I don't think it matters what the rest of the country thinks or anybody. The people that I talk to that were talking about Jeff Langer, like, hey, Jeff's his own guy, but Jeff gets shit done. That is literally what Jeff does. And I think it takes a lot of pride in the state of Louisiana. He can hear the way he talks.

They hear the way he acts. Every single time he talks like that. And are we as the rest of the world going to agree with everything that the governor of Louisiana has to say or how he is. operates. I would doubt it. Louisiana is its own country. They're not the only state that's their own country, but Louisiana is, I mean, we purchased it. I don't have to go back to the entirety of it all, but Louisiana is a special place. It is a dynamic place. It is a unique place. And it's like, I appreciate the fact that his big thing was like, we got to pay for this guy as what he'd,

he's taking his Mercedes back? I don't think so. Yeah, no consequences for the guy that hired him. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, so we know the guy that represented Jimbo at there in Texas City. And we know that he doesn't represent Brian Kelly. No. And so whenever he was, look it up. If I'm mistaken, this guy everywhere. And now this guy is everywhere when to talk about Jimmy Sexton

and they're representing a coach's business and, hey, who's going where and everything like that. But he just, there was a moment of clarity in there that had to be made. like, hey, Jimmy ain't. Now this guy, though, he also has got Nussmeyer, I think, allegedly. The trace armed trouble. Yeah, so you're talking about. And that's what he. And the governor's reading through his contract.

Who, who negotiated? This guy got AD, coach, and quarterback, but we're getting ahead. But also to his point where he said, like, he's not making the hire, he's responsible for the two biggest buyouts ever in college football history. The AD is. Yes, Woodward.

Yeah. Yeah, crazy stuff. All right. Well, I'm excited to hear what people say he was wrong about in that conversation we just had with them. And then that goes right to what Jeopardy said last night. Which I guess, you know, this all kind of came together within the last 25 minutes. It wouldn't piece it together. But I've had the incredible opportunity to do a lot of things.

The boys and I have gotten an opportunity to be in some wild places. We made an appearance last night in a world that we're not supposed to be in. Please run it, Foxy. More than a football player for 600. A former all-pro punter. some controversial guests on his self-named ESPN talk show. Aaron? Who's McAfee?

That's right. Thank you, Aaron. Hey, thank you, Aaron. Controversial guests. I think they were trying to say, hey, we don't love everything this show is about without completely burying me. You know, like the show, I think they were trying to balance that. We would like to say the Jeopardy people.

Thank you for a lot of saying your word. That's a huge deal. I shit my pants. Yeah. That was a big one. I get it. I got a text from somebody, Jeopardy. And I was like, man, I'm missing the nice show, dude.

And they're like, no, you were on there. I'm like, what? It was, that's a wild member for us, dude. That is. And then we just have the governor of Louisiana. And he goes, we didn't start fixing this. NCAA can do this. I don't know.

I don't know if they can. I just, I remember, like, we had Charlie Baker and like maybe a little over a year ago in studio. And like you said, like that was his whole thing. He was like, yeah, we kind of need the government to spearhead this. Like, we can't really do this. So it seems like, like you said, the NCAA and, you know, D.C. you're kind of just pointing at each other saying, hey, you guys need to fix it, and you need to fix it now.

So I don't know if it's going to get done anytime soon. I have no idea either, but good luck to all parties. It's a lot to get figured out. You got this. You got TV contracts. You got coaches contracts. I mean, players contracts. You got billions and billions and billions of dollars,

let alone the hundreds and thousands of tickets that are just sold in some places. I mean, it's so much, such a massive entity, such a massive. entity, just be like, we can corral it, let alone when you start tossing in all the other's basketball. Yeah, yeah. Women's softball down there in SEC and I guess Big 12, right? Yeah, the whole thing. So, and then you start thinking about these sports, like where some of the teams make a lot of

money, some of the other teams don't make a lot of money. How do you kind of corral that? Yeah. How do you corral all of it? Governor Jeff Landry got that. Yeah, he's got it done. He's going to step on that cany and kicking that thing down the road. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who just secured another bag via Pete Thammel's tweet.

There's some breaking news out of the college football world. Nebraska coach Matt Ruhl signed a two-year contract extension this morning, which will take him through the 2032 season. It includes a $15 million buyout this year that effectively eliminates him from any jobs in this coaching cycle. Interesting wording for Pete Thamble. Join us now, ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of Nebraska, the man just signed two-year extension this morning. Matt Rule. Hey, Coach.

That fellas? Congratulations. I know obviously not the best outcome. We don't want that. We want to win by 100 every single time. But congratulations on an extension with Nebraska. How did we get to this point? How long has this been in the works?

And congrats. You watched us read Pete Dammell's tweet. I don't think he was as celebratory as he should be. Congratulations to you, bro. Hey, they ran your ass out of Carolina, bro. Signed a new deal in Nebraska. Congratulations. No, thank you very much.

Yeah, I mean, we were on, I think, two weeks ago, and we talked about it, and I just, you know, I told you guys how much, we love it here, you know, and to me, there's lots of great jobs, but very rarely in this business, do you find a home? And we felt like Nebraska is our home. This program's our home. I love these players. I love this place. R.A.D. Troy Dannan has been amazing to me, our president, Dr. Gold. And, I mean, it's just the alignment. I mean, you see places that don't have align.

We got amazing alignment and we're building. And so, I think after about week three, you know, Troy started talking to me about it. And I just was like, hey, I just got to focus on football. But I appreciate it. They're betting on the future and we're doubling down. Congrats, man. That's very cool to hear. You've been this way about Nebraska since you got there.

I think you were very excited. There was other jobs that you could have had. And you also could have just become a professional golfer like some fired coaches have in the past and collected the checking it all. I'm excited that you're back in a place that you absolutely love over there in Nebraska. beating Northwestern. Congrats on a big time win. Obviously, Northwestern had been shocking. A lot of people got James Franklin's ass fired up there in Penn State. Now you have huge game, obviously, USC at home, 730 on NBC. What's the mindset as you look down the last four games here,

which are all pretty big down the stretch for your Nebraska Cornhuskers? Yeah, I think the thing that our team has learned, you know, and I think we unfortunately learned it the hard way at Minnesota. And then, you know, it's like, hey, parodies here at college football. Like in the NFL, you know, if you have a winning record, you're probably going to make the playoffs. I mean, we're pretty close. I mean, you know, nine and eight is a good season. Ten and seven is a good season. Perry is in college football. I mean, look at the teams are in the top ten that weren't there years ago. So every single week, you've got to show up and play. I mean, you know, the days of beating people 45, some people are doing it, but not, I mean, I'm watching Texas the other night,

come back to win. I'm watching Alabama come back to win. It's just you got to show up every single week. And so we have four chances left. And this Saturday, you know, obviously it's amazing opportunity for us to play a great USC team that's five and two and they're probably the best offense I think I've ever seen. So it'll be a lot of fun. You talk about the offense, I mean, you're talking about one man, Lincoln Riley.

Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Coach, how's your relationship with Lincoln Riley? I believe you guys go back to the Baylor-O-U days and you might have played a few times. I'm not 100% sure about that just like most things, but how do you approach an offense like that? Do you go back and look at all the games?

You know, he called both at Oklahoma, and, you know, with Caleb Williams and things of that nature. And how are you feeling, you know, going up against a guy that was such an offensive guru for so many years? Yeah, I think he's brilliant. I think he's a great guy. He was the offensive coordinator at East Carolina when I was at Temple as the head coach. So, I mean, going all the way back to, he had a great offense in East Carolina.

And obviously, at O.U. and Baylor, so I had a chance to go against him there. And I think he's one of the best offensive minds in football. And he does it so many different ways. You know, he played one way with Baker. The next year he had Carla Murray, he played a different way. The next year, he had Jalen Hertz and revamped his offense. But at the end of the day, he always scores points. They run the football.

And so, you know, for us, there's no secret formula. We've got to play well. We're going to have to play well in offense, defense. We've been playing great on special teams. We have to keep that up. And you'll get to the fourth quarter. Hopefully it's, you know, in the 20s. It's freezing cold here on Saturday night.

And get to the fourth quarter and be ready to just go make one more play. It does feel like it's starting to become Big Ten. weather time you know it's raining this morning the leaves are falling you know we've had these beautiful majestic orange pink leaves like the last two weeks or so it has been great this morning rain wind goodbye bear ass trees terrible weather coming is it like that in nebraska right now as well oh yeah um you know so i so i wear shorts every day pat and we don't i don't use the indoor and if i ever can't handle the cold i'm like all right guys let's go in the indoor so that's like my barometer. And yesterday, it was so, it was so cold yesterday that I walked over to

Holgerston. I was like, Dana, do you want to go inside? And he said, no, I love it out here. I was like, oh, my gosh. I mean, it was debilitatingly cold and windy. So, you know, but that's, again, you've heard me complaining. Like, that's football. Like, it wasn't meant to be played all a time. Every game wasn't meant to be played indoors or in the sun. Like, you got to deal with this. And so I'm fired up to be in this type of weather. Dana, you want to go inside or no? No, this is good. You let me down. DC said the same thing, man. Everybody. I just asked Dylan. I said, Dylan, you want to go and say he said, no?

I'm like, what is your guys problem? What is you guys' problem? It's freezing cold out here. Saturday during the day, 47 degrees. Nighttime, 31. Wins, light, and variable. Good for kickers. Don't know where the hell they're coming from. Don't worry about it. And then obviously, 81% humidity is going to make it a little chill. That's going to make a little bit of a sting on the face there whenever we talk about below freezing. Congratulations to you guys getting USC in Nebraska in that way.

Their tone has a question for you. Yeah, Coach, I don't mean to go back to the loss to Minnesota, but Coach Saban always talks to us on this show about teams that, like his team specifically and then other teams that this year needed to lose. After that loss to Minnesota, was that something that was needed for your guys? And what was the message after that? Yeah, I mean, honestly, I was pissed off after that game because I felt like, I think PJ Flex is a great coach.

I think he's got eight years there, wherever he's been there, eight, nine years of establishing a culture. And I felt like as a team, we did not respect the process and how hard that game was going to be. And so it's seven, six at halftime. And we're in the locker room, like, despondent. And I'm like, what's wrong with you guys? Like, you know, this is what football is like. And so I thought we had to come.

I didn't want to lose. But we came out of that loss. And then they bullied us in the fourth quarter. And they were very receptive to the message on Sunday and Monday. Like, hey, every game's going to be hard. We're going to have to battle every single game, get to the fourth quarter. So we go in at halftime this week. And it's 7-6 again.

Now, we're up this time, 7-6. But I walked in the locker room. I'm like, who are you going to be in the second half? And we got a 15-point lead. They came back, tied it up, and we go down and win the game at the end. And that's the type of team that you need in college football now. Resilient, humble, because it's just travel. There's weather.

There's good teams. There's NIL. There's parity. You better battle every single week. And I wasn't happy after Minnesota at all. Okay. Everything's still in front of you, though, right? You're telling your team, obviously.

Now, let's look at the final four games. USC, if you're able to get a win, you will be able to get a win. We're talking to the head coach on the team. That would be obviously huge. UCLA, obviously a win. You would like to have that. That would be a good win, but they've been playing good ball as well. Penn State, obviously, before the season, looks different than it does now. And if Iowa next week is to beat Oregon, that game at the end of the year, obviously pretty gigantic. You go back to your first game of the season. Cincinnati's become a very, very, very big team. It's like all of a sudden, everything literally still in front of you, Coach Rule, right? That's the angle, at least. That's the, you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing? Absolutely. I mean, you know, our whole goal as a program is to come down to this time of year, get to November, and be relevant, you know, be chasing getting into the playoff, be chasing all these things.

And so, you know, USC has that same hope. Iowa has that same hope. They're both at five and two and six and two. And that's the parity of the Big Ten. And so, you know, to your point, like we beat Cincinnati and they're a highly ranked team. I mean, we've had some good moments. But it's all about what you do in November. You know better than anybody else, right?

So all that stuff got you ready for this point. Everything's in front of you. Now go play great football. And this is an unbelievable challenge this week versus a great team. And we'll be ready for it. Still being in it is a great thing, brother. Ty has a question for you. Iowa, Hawkeye, obviously.

Speaking of all that, coach, how much has it changed in terms of like the coaching staffs mentality, your mentality, and the players with the new 12-team playoff? Because like you said, I mean, obviously after the Minnesota loss, you know, things change a little bit. but you guys do still have everything ahead of you, whereas, you know, maybe a couple years ago when you were at Baylor or whatever, if you have two losses at this point, you know, you're eliminated. You're not going anywhere. Like, how is that changed maybe how you approach things philosophically and also how the team just kind of approaches the game week in week out? Yeah, I think there's a good and a bad to it, right?

Like, you've seen a lot of teams in college football. Like, they lose that second game and all of a sudden they go on a four game, you know, skid because they're like, well, the season's over, you know, um, you know, our approach has been get better and better and better and play our best football in November, play our best football in December. Like, hey, that's, we're training the guys to go be pro football players. That's how it's going to be at the next level. And that's how college football has become. You know, I was on the Penn State football team in 1994 that, that went undefeated, won the Rose Bowl, beat Oregon 386 and didn't win a national championship. Uh, the national championship we said came here to Nebraska. And that, that was a

really different world back then. And then at bail that we finished 11. in one, we go to the conference championship game against Oklahoma, we lose an overtime and we don't get to go to the playoff. So it's the access, I think, has made football much more enjoyable and fun to watch coming down the stretch here because there's so many teams that are still alive, you just got to play your way in, and we're going to fight to play our way in. You got a nice black long-sleeve shirt on there. I got a black Henley on here, and I just saw on social media, boys are going black ops this weekend. I like that. What is the thought and what is this going to look

like in your state? Are we going to blackout in the crowd too? Yes, the crowd's going to blackout. It's great. We want to do it. We wanted to do it. The players wanted to do it. The recruits wanted to do it. And we kind of felt early on, hey, this will be a night game. I think blackouts look great at night, obviously. And so there's

nothing better in the world than a night game and Lincoln, Nebraska, except for maybe a blackout light night game and Lincoln, Nebraska. We're going to, we're going to go out there. We're going to throw the uniforms on. I think it's going to be electric. And it's going to be a great football game. So it's something we plan in the preseason, and

obviously the game has some real merit now, so it'll be fun. Okay, so you don't have to give anything away. Do not feel obligated to answer this. But is there a man that was wearing jeans in a black t-shirt next to a guy wearing six different costumes this morning on get-up, giving maybe a speech on your Jumbotron? I bet he better be on

the Jumbo-Tron, you know? I mean, like, we need we need Willie C to come through big for us this game. It's going to take everybody. I got Tommy Frazier going out to be the Honorary, Quincebast captain. I mean, this is a big,

this is a fun, big moment for Nebraska to be, to be playing a game in November on national TV, and it's not because of the other team.

It's because of us and the other team. And so we're fired up about it, and we're calling on all the, we're calling on all the, all the greats. Biggest game

in the rule Nebraska era happening this weekend. We appreciate you taking time, brother. Enjoy the hell out of it all. Halloween. Best candy.

Best candy. Oof. Oof. Oof. Think about it. Oh my God. Butterfinger. Wow.

What were you battling with? What were you battling with there? Well, because I hate to admit that. My daughters have those nerd clusters things that they came out. Don't hate you. I'm a chocolate guy as well. I'm a chocolate guy as well. Yeah, it's hard to admit that the little candies are pretty good.

Those are unbelievable. They're amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Too many, huh? You have it a lot? Well, I mean, I'm just, I'm saying, like, I mean, I've just tried to lose all this weight. We get the Halloween week.

I've been on a bender since, like, Monday. We do like a, Julie does like a trunk or treat for all the coaches' kids, and I've just been eating candy nonstop. Yeah, you're supposed to, though. Hey, this is part of it. Yeah, you're supposed to live a little. Yeah, don't worry about your butterfinger, nerd clusters. Reese's Oreos exist. I mean, you do whatever the hell you need to do over there.

You've earned it. Okay. I feel good about that. Thank you. My first time being in shape of this. So I'm not used to the rules. so thank you well that's interesting so i'm also a guy that uh easy come easy go with the weight you know like 70 pound weight spins for me throughout entire years are very possible with

how much i like to eat how much i enjoy eating you probably understand where i'm coming from when i say this you just got to make sure after this week you have the ability to stop see that's the issue with us fat so's you know us fat sos we'll say you know what we'll do the Halloween week and then we'll feel like such shit in fat so's we'll stop immediately after and guess what we we do right there on Saturday when November comes. Well, we got to eat what we had last week. And then Sunday. And then on Monday you think yourself, I just ate

like shit all last week. I might as well get. Let me get some fraud. Well, then we're two weeks away from Thanksgiving so we might as well just wait until after Chris. We'll start the new year. Okay, so we're putting a red light. We're putting a red light after Halloween. Okay, that's what we're all doing here. Thank you. Done. I'm in. All right, I'll send a text. Good night. Accountability buddies here. Ladies

gentlemen, that's Coach Madroll. Congratulations on New Deal. coach that was cool with them to announce that five minutes before he comes on certainly that was certainly on purpose yep yeah and we are very very very very thankful for that because he usually says what do you need when do you need us is normally his conversation and this time they're like hey how about uh 1230 is that okay it's like yeah no problem at all actually and then 1225 Pete damo pops up into our feed man rule just signed a new deal that maybe limits him from possibly not leaving what was that I don't know that was that was What was it? I don't think I would.

You would think just announcing the extension would kind of get across that, hey, I'm not leaving this coaching cycle? Source says. Nebraska coach Matt Ruhl signed a two-year contract extension this morning, which will take him through 2032 season, seven years from now. It includes a $15 million buyout. We're listed in to Brian Kelly's $53 million buy right now, $15 million buyout this year that effectively eliminates him from any jobs in this coaching cycle.

Okay. It effectively does, but not definitely. Definitely. This is college football. Anything can happen. Please call Pete Tamer. Yeah, I didn't know why I've worded it that way. We certainly need that. Nebraska's not off the hook here yet. 15 million? We see some of these billionaires. Ah, chew that. It could turn into quite a quag bar.

This could be quite, yeah. Listen, the wording is quite a sticky situation. That's potentially what he's going to say. Yeah, you might say all of that verbatim. Okay, let's give actual predictions on what Pete Thammel says here. I'm going to say he's going to say something about if you read the fine print of the contract, it's not necessarily a guarantee that he's not going to be exploring other options this office. It's just whether or not, that's why I think the angle. What do you think the angle is going to be?

Probably something along the lines of, well, you mentioned these billionaires, Pat, $15 million, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't Warren Buffett live in Omaha? That's a stone's throw away from Lincoln. If they decide, they want to move on. Connor, what do you think Pete Tamill says? I think he's going to be quite gobsmacked that they got this done in the middle of the year and it was only a two-year extension. Okay, we just connected with him.

I was just cold FaceTiming him as well because we called him in the back. He did not answer. He's probably got so many other things happening because everybody that saw that is doing exactly what we're doing. But it's not just idiots that are live on TV. It's like other coaches that are looking for things. Agents are potentially looking for stuff. Schools are thinking of things. I mean, there's ladies and gentlemen, the authority on college football.

the man that just broke the potential news that Matt Rule is out of the coaching cycle. Ladies of gentlemen, Pete Dam. Yeah, Pete. Hello, Pete. Love glasses, Pete. Hi, Pat. How are you? I'm fantastic. Thank you for doing that news break about Coach Matt Rule literally three minutes before he came on our show.

That was awesome. I was reading your tweet for the first time live on air. Found the wording to be very interesting. Nebraska coach Matt Rule signed a two-year contract extension this morning, which will take him through 2032 season that's seven years from now. It includes a $15 million buyout this year that effectively eliminates him

from any jobs in his coaching cycles. So it's effectively eliminates him mean definitely eliminates him or do you think he's still potentially dancing around this off season? No dancing, Pat, no dancing. Effectively eliminates is just a phrase for tie to repeat in my voice.

I think it would have with a little bit of flare. So you can't ever deal at absolutes in the carousel, but Matt Ruh is staying And this is a, this is a clear searing sign that Matt Rule is, is going to be at Nebraska. And really, let's, let's just be blunt, not go to Penn State where, you know, his closest friend is the athletic director. He's a graduate of there. And, you know, they were obviously heavily linked since that job opened. So, no, Matt Rule is going to be a Husker for a while.

I was told Pat by sources, this is a sign of Matt Rill's family loves it in Lincoln. They love Nebraska. And Matt Rill believes that you can win big at that place. And this is a tangible sign of that. Every week he joins us, there's a. some massive 8K LED board behind. I mean, it is, the way he describes it is they're all in. I'm happy to hear that he's all in as well.

Congrats to Matt Rule on a new deal. Let's talk about those coaching opens, vacancies. Who's going to go to all these places, dude? Like, I know Lane Kiffin's names obviously up there, but what if he wants to stay at Ole Miss because how good they are currently at Ole Miss? Is this just going to be a reshuffling of these coaches? There's going to be young names?

Who do you think is going to take all these jobs that everybody is calling highly sought after jobs. Signetti signs a $93 million deal. Matt Rule signs a deal through 2032. Obviously, there's going to be other moves made. Like, who's going to take all these jobs, Pete? Is it these guys that just got fired going to other places? Yeah, I think, Pat, one of the interesting nuances of today

is that, and you mentioned Kurt Signetti, we're seeing the unintended consequences of all these early firings. We have never had eight power jobs open before Halloween, right? So now you're giving the schools ample time and ammo to sign these guys up at a deal, whereas if you make this move around Thanksgiving, the schools probably aren't as proactive if they don't know the competition is looming. So it's an interesting wrinkle. Like, what will Vanderbilt do with Clark Lee? I think that's a really interesting question, right? Like he's obviously, we were just there last week, Pat, for game day.

He has them, you know, as hot as they've been since Grantland Rice was a student at Vanderbilt. right so yeah i think that's really interesting but your point pat is is really really a salient one there are a lot of jobs open and the kind of coaches you fire your coach for are starting to disappear from the board there's only three championship coaches sitting in college football right now they're not going anywhere and uh if you're doing what penn state did if you're doing what ls u did you are going to you know you are aiming for a national championship and there are a couple names off the board right now who are you know some of the better names to go do that so uh i heard jeff landry on the show today pat my phone started to blow up when i landed uh at the airport in salt

lake how'd that go okay so yeah it's governor jeff lanjy first of sorry excuse me and by the way he appoints the commission of uh the committee the uh he appoints the regents no that's texas yeah board of supervisor supervisor it is my people running that and it ain't going to be are people paying that bill. Okay, so we ain't doing that again is basically what he said. He explained, now he didn't know that maybe Jimbo and Brian Kelly and Scott Woodward have different agents, okay? So obviously Big Deluxe wanted to make sure we got that kind of clarity through that

conversation and all. But he was very much open about how, like, hey, this is going to become, he's going to be trying to put incentive-based contracts in for these coaches going forward. That is what he was saying, basically. It's like, if you're good, you're going to win, what are you scared about me is what he said? It is verbatim what he said in this entire thing. What do you think the reality is of the shift of that potentially happening going on? Because I tried to tell Governor, and listen, Governor Jeff Landry, he's obviously more than

old than I am about this particular situation. But I try to tell him like, hey, this is a freight train that's already gone, brother. He talked about how the NCAA needs to be the ones to fix it. And I told him, hey, the NCAA is saying you guys need to be the ones that are fixing it. And he goes, oh, well, the NCAA needs to retreat or they need to set a row. So it feels like, you know, we are maybe meeting a melting pot at some point or a burning. Boiling point? There it is.

A boiling point at some point here with all this shit. But what are your thoughts on it? And what do you think the reality of changes in all of it? Pete, I guess that's a pretty open-ended for you. Yeah. No, I appreciate it, Pat. It's a pretty hilarious, we could call it a vexing conundrum, right? You have a job without a school president.

you have cut the knees off the athletic director, right, who's not going to hire the coach. So you need a coach desperately to fulfill championship expectations. But now with no president and an AD who you've cut his knees out off, you want him to come without a lot of guaranteed money. That seems to me to be a bit of a contrast in thinking, right? Because, and you've compressed the market too by scaring some coaches off and then obviously, you know, prompting an economic stimulus to get. get some signs. So I think

Governor Landry is likely not helping LSU find a better coach. Oh, what do you know, Pete? You're part of the problem, now. You guys are looking at the agents with Pete now. There's one guy breaking all the news. There's one guy breaking all the news? I don't know. How many

sports insiders here? None. There's only one named Pete Dammell. Who do you think he's a guy? Somebody's in his pockets. I'll get to the bottom. Jeff Landry is, I mean, Governor Landry Sarcer is just awesome because he does

I assume speak like how a lot of people and his thoughts are exactly how a lot of people feel especially in the state of Louisiana and for us it's just like hey how do you fix it all brother I don't know how you because it's not just a lot he would have been an incredible football coach I could imagine he thought

but yeah I but it's nice to know there's a governor now it's potentially on the side of like let's try to fix what college football is as a whole because how much you love it now I'm not saying he can do it but if more would kind of figure this out we'll continue the incredible growth of the number two sport in the United States

of America, college football that only has one insider that we officially know. The authority, Pete Tam. We appreciate you about it. Hey, Pete! There's some, hey, hold on, Pete. Hold on, Pete. Pete. Yeah, yes.

I just saw a tweet, the Connor Stoughton story. Just. Oh, yes. That is, that came down today. The NCAA made a ruling on the Central Michigan facet of that case. If you recall, Connor Stallions went in disguise

with, remember the sunglasses that allegedly had the videotaping component on the side? That was one of the more fun wrinkles during that very fun time, Pat. I can't stress

how much fun that was that whole case. I do think seriously, though, like you guys, we've had some fun with Conor Steins in the case. There's a handful of coaches

whose like careers are over because of this small college guys at Central Michigan. and they got show causes for multiple years. Jay Costner is one of them and, you know, for getting wrapped up in that scheme. And I, like, my general thought on that, you know, Jim McElwain's retired.

He gets a show cause, who cares? You got a bunch of coaches who got wrapped up in that scheme, whose careers are at least now diverted, if not, you know, significantly altered because of this. So it was, I feel bad for those guys. There's always, you know, people on the other side of like, what, how the hell story that are just living in the bullshit world that has been caused because of it all.

So obviously we send our positive thoughts. Sure, I haven't been cheating. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you. You're the man. I know that was a lot of fun for you throughout the time of it. Feels like it's completely wrapped up now. Let's move forward.

We've pulled up at BYU here, Pat. So thank you. My Uber drivers give me some funny looks. Okay, sounds good. Tell him, hey, Mormon's supposed to be nice, I thought. Yeah, you're thankful to be out there. Very patient. It's been very patient with me.

You're the man. Ladies of gentlemen, Pete, I don't thank you. Yeah, Pete. Obviously, if we're in. Utah, got a swing by B-Wy. Check in on Kalani Shataki. You know, she would huge up to. I say, hello, big, Ush, good to shoot.

Yes. Could you imagine Pete dressed like that goes, what up, Ush? To coach Shataka. Please. They have the number one college basketball player in the country, too, in there. Oh, yeah. He's so good.

Ryan Smith. Oh, yeah. Okay, this is what we're talking about. And this is what Governor Jeff Lane. I guess a couple billionaires could come in. I can't believe he was on her shoulder there That was so awesome It's been long overdue

You know what? Governor Jeff Landry down there Radio Roll Down in New Orleans He was standing there We didn't get a chance to sit by him No we didn't even say Gato One time I did even say Gator Hunt

Yeah, he did not say Gator Hunt Yeah, correct He said you gotta come down now You gotta come down to hunt now Yeah What a hilarious person Just all of it Just all of it is hilarious

Yeah I think you have to be though probably To get into the politics world No doubt You could just be a robot And I guess I see a lot of them. I thought in the politics world he had talk. Like, I thought that was like one of the things.

Like your first couple years. But you're like 40, 45 that you're in it. I think you just sit there like a mummy. Yeah. Oh, do you think that's because you can't actually speak? Yep. Oh, okay. I didn't even think about that way.

You'll see these. Yeah, puff list. It's not just them, by the way. It's other television. I think a lot of them don't remember what they said and then they want to go the other way and then they know that clip will be pulled so then they can't say anything at all.

And they don't even care. There are politicians. Thanks for doing it. That's right. Thanks. You guys doing a good job. Actually, I think right now, actually terrible, right? Because it's not working.

I don't think that any of them are working right now. Yeah. So you guys aren't doing any job. Shut down. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but I hope you enjoy your vacation. What is? Probably more watching us now than ever since they're sitting at home, nothing to do. Let us tell you what to do.

Okay? We've been saying this for a long time. You guys need a scoreboard over there. Okay. In sports, we have a scoreboard. So then we know. okay who's winning and who's losing now the issue with you guys

I think it's tough to know what a point is because somehow I've heard some people talk and there'll be somebody tells me massive loss for this person this person will then pop on TV look at me so I don't know if there is a scoring system that you guys have over there

but in our world of sports there's scores so then you can you can say oh the one that won more probably should be the one that we maybe listen to or try to fall low, losers normally fade out in our world. It's called meritocracy. You guys should think about doing that in the government world, politics world, and we like to wish you luck in figuring that out. And we'd also like to wish Governor Jeff Landry luck on trying to make a, what was his name? Incredible

pot smoker, greatest of all the time, Ricky Williams? Yeah. A Ricky Williams-like deal for a coach is what it sounds like that's potentially happening that also was with the Saints if you do recall it was it was with the Saints when Ricky Williams and Master P I do believe

negotiated a deal that was very incentive based and incentive-laden and obviously incentives are good but I think at this stage of where everybody else's contract is at I think it's gonna be tough for governor and get that one in there

but hey if anybody could do it Governor Jeff Landry Amen that's annoying What? You're a muffler. You don't hear it? Oh, I don't even notice it.

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Okay, you see Big Skelly, okay? Turns out we had one of these all along. This is the exact skeleton, two of them, that were in AQ Shipley's front. yard, then were ripped out of his front yard at 12.14 a.m. by a bunch of shirtless Caucasian hooligans. Yep. And yesterday we talked about it on the program alongside J.J. Watt, word got back to the hooligans, and all of a sudden, guess what was returned yesterday? What? Yep, but here's in the middle of the first inning of a U-ball game yesterday. A.Q. Shipley

drifted away from the court on the phone in a sense of urgency and comes back with this announcement. Scalphan is being returned. We're obviously incredibly happy for AQ. That was a splashy splash. I would go on to hit a few more after that, which is obviously perfect timing. But it was big news, or not only around Arizona,

but the United States of America, when Halloween was saved for the Shipley family. As these boys recognized the fault, returned to the home, seen of the crime, if you will, built it back up in what I've been told. Okay. And then under the order of those who were there, 50 pushups while chanting things, different messages.

Love that. Yes. So there was a little bit of a, it wasn't full fist-to-face or boot to ass. But I do believe there was an example. At least some, yeah, an example of it. Now, would these kids have gotten arrested maybe any other house in the United States of America if they just walked back with that thing? Probably. But we talked AQ Shipley

Into it Remember first hour He was not about it No man They bring it back Good Yeah they come back Good

That's when I can actually Punch them in the face Then by the third hour Whenever we talk to him We're like hey These boys bring back Skelly Your kid's favorite

Decorate We can certainly Get this thing back Yeah that's true We can do that And then he acknowledged These boys made a mistake And they owned up to it

Halloween is back on At the Shipley House This is good Amazing What is that This is great news Honestly, this is brilliant news. Is the world?

I don't know. Talk the table here. At Boston Corner, at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer, Don, died. Cowboys, Luigi, Ton, Julio. You look unbelievable. Thank you.

I appreciate that. Shout to JC. Got that thing tight. Yeah, he did. Especially with that cowboy hat. You look really howdy you do? Yeah. You look super.

Howdy you do? Hair look good, too. I don't know if the camera angle got it. Yeah, hair's flowing right. Yeah, Tone feels like a young 22-year-old Pizano. Oh. This mustache rolling around. Cat looks super cool as well.

Happy Halloween to you. Joining us now, ladies of gentlemen, is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner. Ladies of the gentleman, AJ Hawker. Yay, Hawker. Walker on that, if you notice. We maybe just had the best first hour

of our show in the history. I was watching as a fan. It was very fun. Governor Jeff Landry, always entertains that guy. Yeah, what a tree. He's stepping on the can right now. We know that.

During the break, I found out that Ryan Clark was on television earlier today, happy with the governor. I did not. I would like to let everybody know that I did not, I legitimately did not know that. I, uh, I did not see it. But I legitimately had some questions on the shit that he said. And I feel like because of what happened during the Super Bowl where we got to meet them, chat with them. And then whenever game day was down in LSU, I got a chance to meet the people around them and chat with them a little bit. We threw a Hail Mary. We're like, to hell with it. Let's go and see if we can get this guy to clarify some things. Like 15

minutes before show starts. It's like, let's see. Don't we have a connection? I think we You're right. Don't they know us a little bit? We talked to his people. Didn't we talk to his people? His people know us, right? Yep. Send it down there. Immediate responses. The governor's got some things scheduled, but we will see. We call you back. It's like, you got it. You got it. And then allegedly, Governor Jeff Landry was like thankful for the opportunity to explain a little bit, but also was not looking for the moment. Like I saw a couple people down in Louisiana. I saw one blogger at least post like the governor with a quote. It is not, I'm not going to be the one picking the next head coach, but a group that is a appointed by me and loyal to me will be the ones that be making the

selection. And then he did kind of say that. But then the guy afterwards said, and don't look now, I'm on a nationally televised podcast last show saying this. It's definitely not me. So I just want to clarify, we asked him. It wasn't like he said, hey, can I get all out and do some more

talking about football? We remember that we potentially had a connection with him. If that makes sense, AJ, I just want to clarify all that shit. No, yeah. He's not on a press junk. when you see these people promoting movies, they do 50 shows in one day. He's not doing that.

I'm sure he has some other stuff to handle, but it is pretty interesting in the fact that how involved, I guess he is in the, you know, not only the firing, but the new search, I guess. Well, he said that that's like that in most states, I think, because all these schools are, you know, the highest paid state employee,

I think in every state, but maybe two of them, is the head coach of the state university. And then it never really gets talked about, though. Like, hey, this is pretty, that's a state employee there? That never really gets talked about the entirety of the contracts and conversations. And then Jeff Landry

says, taxpayer got to pay 53? I don't think so. I mean, where's that money? We got roads we like to prove. And they're raising prices on Friday? Yeah, right. Who's doing this? I don't think so. So, I think that is why he did what he did at the press conference, and he's getting involved a little

bit more, louder. But ultimately, he said he wants to begal rails on college sports. And it's like, hell yeah, governor. And then I told her, hey, the NCAA thinks you guys need to be doing that so they can operate. And he goes, oh, yeah, I mean, I had Congress long time. And what they like do, kick can down rule. I like step on the can.

You know, I like get things done. But the NCAA, he goes, they can certainly, within the guidelines of the rules, they can certainly take care of this. And I call on them to do it. I'm like, that's exactly what governor. That's what, governor, that's what they said. So now we're kind of, you know. So the entire time, back half of that.

conversation with him. I was trying to motivate him to, like, actually try to take this on. Like, hey, somebody's going to have to take this on. You're signing up for a lot of work, though, AJ. Yeah, you let him know. I feel like you told him, like, well, I think you're up against it. Like, I think it's the tough uphill battle, no question,

but you are the guy for the job, but it's true. How does it even start? When they mentioned guard rows, where does it even start? What's the first thing to happen? 70-what million buyout for Jimbo, different agent, 53 million here. I mean, we're doing the NFL right now.

I mean, we just looked at Miles Garrett, you know, because our show and some others just certainly broadcasts like, hey, Miles Garrett's spiking his helmet after getting five sacks. He's already said he wanted to be out there. And then Connor's like, who has a lot of money and who has a lot of opportunity and maybe didn't know they were going to be in this good position? Holy shit, Miles Garrett's coming to the New England Patriots. And he didn't, he's not the only person I was saying that. There's other people that were certainly saying it. And then immediately as that conversation's happening or ending on our show, Schefter gets in a text, we'd assume, from somebody pretty high up, if I had a guess you go.

There's no chance of that happening. Okay, there's no chance that happening. And we go, why, why is there no chance of that? And then they mentioned there's like $60 million in dead cap, which is exactly what this buyout money is for these state-run universities. It's like these types of deals have been happening in sports for a long time, let along the university is trying to woo coaches because there's only certain amount of coaches

that are good. How do you woo anybody in any business? It's like, well, guarantees and you can do this, amount of control, amount of leverage, amount of guarantees. So I think he is up against it. And I don't know if now is a good time to be up against it, especially with the 12 team playoff and all the opportunity that there is in college sports. It's like

how do you navigate that? If we know anything about Governor Jeff Landry, he's going to get that tag on the field. So he's going to get that tag on the field. So I think he's going to sort it out, but I will be intrigued to see what this contract inevitably ends up being with whatever coach that comes down there and what coach ends up taking the deal, you know, AJ? Yeah, right.

Let's see if they can, are they going to, like, change the mold on hiring and what contracts may look like moving forward? Obviously, they're LSU. They're different than, there's different tiers to the jobs out there, but is he going to change things? I think he said, we're going to set template. Mm-hmm. Right, didn't he say something about that?

He did say that. He said others will see our template that we said here. But his template recommendation was basically like, put your reputation. on the line. You win, you get paid, you don't. You're an UFL, baby. Yeah, I don't know how many coaches are signing up for that, but basically say you get a million dollars per win each year. How about this?

Five million from our taxpayers here, Louisiana. We will say thank you. With $5 million ever win that you have. Good luck. What if it's the biggest contract in the history? Could. If you win, biggest contract in history. Like some young hot shot kid takes a chance on himself and they give him a job and yeah, or maybe if you lose, you've got to pay like $2 million

dollars back like every loss you got to pay something back actually you got to go pave roads yeah yeah that'd be sweet go lay concrete hard labor go pay on the lake concrete i don't know i think honestly this is jeff lander right now what this ends up becoming i think will be a good thing for lSU football until they lose games if they lose games but there's a chance to go undefeated yeah there's a chance to go undefeated going forward and uh i'm excited to see who ends up down there honestly. I'm very excited to who. They want to win. We know that they want to win. We know some fan bases feel like their team or their school

like doesn't truly want to win. I feel like Jeff Landry and LSU, they want to win. I don't know if you, you may not agree on how they go about it, but they're trying everything they can. Yeah, and there's obviously a lot of interest in that job. You know, LSU, as soon as it opens up, you hear all the people that know coaching, all the people that know, like, in the coaching world,

they're like, LSU, good job. I'm like, LSU, great job. Okay, I understand that their fans are awesome. I understand that the environment is crazy. Why is it such a good job? And then now it's three out of the last four, but they always go, three different coaches, national championship down there.

Three different coaches, national championship. Nick Saban, Miles. All within the first four years, too. Those three coaches, all three of them, as soon as they leave LSU, they go on to become massive, very, very, very, very, very successful head coaches. Is that right?

All three of those guys do? One of them. One of them. But at LSU, all three of them win a national championship. Yes. Okay, so all three of them win national championship there because the amount of talent that is just in Louisiana that just wants to be at LSU,

I guess you're in it every year. Like there's never going to be a game where you show up and the other side is going to have more talent, be more physically gifted, all that shit. So if you're a good coach, not even elite, if you are a good coach, the thought is at LSU, you should be able to get the boy rolling in the right direction, let alone if you're an elite coach, AJ, is kind of the conversation

about it down there. Yeah, you've got to be an elite coach at some of these places, though. You have to, you just gets to a point to where they're, like, they're sick of going 10 and 2, whatever it may be. Like, you got to, you have to make a deep run. I don't know. It is wild to think about, think about Penn State's basically a couple of plays from making the national championship. Coach Franklin's gone. Like, I get it. I understand why they do get, like, but it is. You just have to win, especially. Like, there's a handful of five, ten jobs where you have to win. Kirk Herb Street chatted about it in our

production meeting for game day and then on game day a little bit. These money people shouldn't have the power. They're not football people. They should not be deciding what it is. Why would they give any money then? Well, that's everybody's response. I was sitting right next to him

whenever he said it. I literally just looked at him and I'm like, I agree with what you're saying. Yes. I do too. In theory, I know what you're saying, yes. But these people giving $10 million are like just going to expect something. And then also, if they don't like what's going on, they could just say, I'm not giving another $10 million.

And that both of those things are leveraged. Anytime you get into the publicly traded market, you know, anytime you start taking outside money, all of a sudden there's outside voices or pressures. What are the pressures? Well, they're not happy or they're threatening not to do that again. So then it's both, both of those things become pressures. But you need it to win.

It's just like a part of the entirety. But we all agree with Kirk. I would like to let you go. that's not great that that is how it's going, but it is the reality of the current situation. Yeah, and I'm sure it's been happening for a while, but I feel like when I was in college, maybe when you guys were in college,

it was, you'd have a big donor would give $25, $50 million, and that'd be like a one-time gift, and then they'd put their name on like a football building or something like that. Now it's, you give $10 million on, or let's say, you know, August 1st or whatever. Like, guess what?

The following year on August 1st, they're coming right back to you and saying, hey, we need another $10 million. we need another 10 million like you want to win let's go we need this every single year and they're even sending highlights of and once again general manager Rivera over there at cow in the calgary rhythm they got a lot of money let's assume that this is not going to be a conversation but they will be sending highlights a song of politelli if he's available to these boosters and be like hey could you imagine what this guy could do at our place it's a hundred a thousand people all in song of politelli comes out of the talk like they're setting the tone for these people and you get a parking spot. Get a parking spot. Okay? And you get the opportunity to pay $800,000 for a suite

for the eight home games we have. Yeah, of course. This is not counting to the suite. The suite is its own thing, which obviously you would like to see the stadium renovated. We appreciate you looking out for us like that. For future generations of insert name of school here. But also, we need this so when you're in that suite, you know what makes that sweet better?

On the field. This guy. Look at this throw. Look at this third and seventh row that he delivers right here. This is a cow. People would say this is just song of Politelli. Once again, General Manager Rivera out of Cal will figure that whole thing out. I'm just saying it as

you know, Fernando Mendoza just happened. It's having Will Howard whenever he was coming out. Like these are just things that happen and they're only going to continue to happen. You know, like we could be the next Diego Pavia situation with Vandy. All you got to do is give us $1.5 million. Well, I just gave it $2 million last year.

Yeah, but those guys are developed. Yeah, but those guys are developing. Well, they're not on our team anymore, right? Yeah, they're developing somewhere else. You know, it's just always It's always one of those I don't know how you keep them coming You can't You gotta win every game

You want them to keep bringing money Like can you imagine that you gave 5, 10 million and they call you again And the team went 7 and 4 Like well I might give you 1 million And then you can prove to me You can get back to where you were And on that note like

If you don't win What is the person that is accruing that money Say to these people To make sure it keeps That's tough game Yeah so then it's like Well you got to make change You don't make change

I'm not giving any money It's like, well, we need it. What are we talking about? No, we're done with it. Ice that. Yeah. What do you mean, ice dot? Don't call me.

I ain't give me another dollar. This team sucks. I'm not watching. Well, you got a parking spot. Give it up. I don't want it. You can take that out of the whole thing. And then it's like, well, if I move on from the guy, you back, $15 million.

You move on from that guy. It's like, all of a sudden, this person has a lot of leverage. Yeah. Which goes back to Herbsts Point. That ain't how it's supposed to be. Join us now, ladies and gentlemen. Is a man who maybe signs up for that life. Sure.

perhaps Super Bowl he'd be able to balance it all Oh yeah Yeah He didn't bounce it all Stay above it all He'd be able to look down at it

Say hey listen Let's sort this out Okay I know you want shit I want it too Ladies and gentlemen Super Bowl champion Coach Mike McCarthy

Yeah How are you coach Who enjoyed that segment That was awesome Okay Coach All right I'm gonna put you on the spot here

And I mentioned At the end of the last hour your name has not been brought up for any college job at all, okay? Now we're in the world, though, where NFL coaches think that college football is more similar to the NFL than it's ever been, and maybe, you know, with the draft class is basically just your recruiting class, and then portal is free agency, so maybe NFL guys are more likely to become college coaches because it's more of a similar operation. Now, like I said, nobody has mentioned.

The great Irishman from Pittsburgh for any of these college jobs. Have you ever considered college, or are you just NFL guy through and through? And what is your views on the current state of college football? Well, I mean, there was a time, actually, when I first got into coaching, and I got into it for college football. I mean, that was my goal, you know, back at the University of Pittsburgh. You know, I was there in 1989 and 1982. And if you had told me, I could have stayed there for 25 years on an assistant coach's

contract that would have signed it. I just felt that, you know, college football was the period of a young man's life that you could make the biggest impact. So that was my initial, you know, goal of getting into coaching and what attracted me to get into coaching. So, but in 1993, I got an opportunity at a young age by Marty Schaenheimer to be, you know, to be in the, uh, in the national football league of Kansas City. And then really from there, you know, that's, that's been my flight, um, you know, professionally. So, uh, you know, I looked at something. things early in my time in the NFL. But, you know, back then, I mean, it was so hard to get in the NFL. You know, it was, you know, I can just remember the first staff that I was on. I think

it was 29 years old. And, you know, I think the next oldest guy might have been, you know, in his late 30s, early 40s. So, I mean, it was such a hard league to get into, even more so at that time. So, yeah, so I've always viewed it as, you know, I'm here, you know, do everything I can to progress here. And I've been, and I've been very blessed, I believe, is what he was going to say. I mean, hell, I think I'm going to speak to women's volleyball. I mean, that's a juggernaut out there what these guys are going through. But I do agree with you. Do you see the parallels now, how the college landscape has gone more towards a professional with the payment of players and so forth. And I know just the friends that I have in college football, they do feel the, you know,

the regularity of the college game is starting to get, you know, more and more balanced and, you know, there is a little more clarity, but it's a tough gig, you know, especially just seeing what's going on here to the last two weeks with, you know, with some of these buyouts. So, you know, I thought you made a lot of excellent points. Okay. Hey, I appreciate hearing that from you, legitimately. And thank you for getting us a shout out on Sunday night football. I mean, we're having quite a little run here. I don't know if you know about us. You get us a shout on on Sunday night football. Thank you, run it. among the interested spectators tonight mike mccarthy who of course coached the packers when

they beat the steelers in super bowl 45 coached aaron for a long time and a guy who grew up in pittsburg he is western pa through and through hell yeah and of course after the run of dallas he's uh has some time on his hands now see him on tv at mackafee's show every week always enjoy talking ball with mike and he is here thank you man yeah right that would never happen. Also, you look so cool. Kangol had up there. I see a couple maybe concoctions in it. How was the game? And then let's dive into the game. But first, how was the sweet? How was life in Pittsburgh watching a game back home? I mean, it was great. It's always great to go back home without a doubt. So I had to hang out with the family. But yeah, I was, you know, I was a little

hesitant to go to the game. I'm so glad I did go to the game. The atmosphere was incredible. I mean, I just, you know, love that stadium through and through and the crowd on both sides. I mean, it was a spectacular. I mean, especially in the first half and, you know, the Packers, I thought played extremely well in the second half. But, you know, just, you know, my son, Jack, went back with me and then I had my nephew and my two sisters there.

So it was great. The hospitality was, was awesome. And I'm really glad I went back. It was, you know, good to see Aaron playing the black and gold. And just a lot of great conversation around certain people coming to, you know, say hello in the box. So it was a great night. I heard your posts up in a corner.

Pinky ring, can go on. Everybody's coming through saying, thanks for coming back to time. That's what I heard they were saying. I heard that's how it was going. Well earned, brother. Well earned over there in Pittsburgh. And obviously that evening showcased the worst uniforms,

maybe in the history of ball, those yellow ass cheeks that they had on the Pittsburgh Steelers, had Brett Michaels obviously absolutely slaughtering it. How was the performance? Brett Michael's performance pretty good? Crossed it. crushed it. No, he was awesome. The old night was awesome, but yeah, Brett was excellent.

Okay. Happy here. He really had the crowd on it. We've had conflicting reports from the stadium that maybe some places going to hear him is good, so maybe that's why the second half went the way that it went. But nonetheless, happy to hear that you like... Oh, is that right? Yeah, some of that happening out there, coach. Some of that happening out there, so I'm happy you enjoyed it. You got to go, you have a front row seat.

That's good. And then there was go-pack go-chance, allegedly, that turned to Pittsburgh Steelers and to have him use a silent count at home. Bruce Ariens, former Pittsburgh Steelers coach, says I'm embarrassed for the Steelers fans. But other than that, what do we learn on the field? AJ has a question for you, Coach.

Yeah, Coach, I don't know how many times you've watched, like, the Packers or the Steelers' offense play as a fan. I know as a kid, I'm sure you have, but watching Aaron from the stands, like, as a fan, what was that like? And what do you think his game looks like? He's moving around pretty well out there, and we know he obviously can still throw the ball.

Yeah, I think he's really starting to settle in. I really felt that way watching him against Cincinnati, you know, the week before. And, you know, I mean, it's, you know, it's like practice every day, AJ, you've been there. He makes, you know, three or four throws. You just, you know, they're routine, but they're, you know, he's still, his ball placement is still off the charts. You know, he's starting to use his legs more, but I thought he looked good. You know, the uniforms are, you know, we're different, you know, some of the, you know,

throwbacks that we, you guys wore back in the day. But it was, it really was. It was a great atmosphere. The go back, go, go, we've heard that so many times on the road that that was, Something I think I'd ever hear in Pittsburgh, but it was a really cool night. And I thought, you know, Green Bay really stepped it up in a second half. I've seen Green Bay play live three times now and seeing them in person. I've been very impressed, you know, week one, week two, and then this past game against Pittsburgh.

AJ says whenever he watches the game, and I think a lot of ex-player say their natural tendency is to watch the position that they play. Okay, so AJ probably watching, like, linebacker potentially playing whenever he first retired. For me, obviously, I watch the quarterback. That was kind of what I do in that entirety. When you're easy, four-stringer, brother, watch Thanksgiving. Go see the perfect pass rating. I don't know how often you played there. But coach, are you watching and calling plays in your head

or thinking about what you would do next if you were calling the plays? Is that happening for you? Especially with like Aaron, like, Aaron's doing this. I think we should probably do this next. And have you done that with every game that you've watched if that question makes sense? Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense because I just think we're all. product of our experience. I watch it more from a game playing perspective. I'm always very interested in who's playing with quicker tempo, you know, the game operation, play entry, things like

as substitution, you know, particularly, you know, watching Aaron, you know, he had the, you know, the one off-size that wasn't called, but, you know, the free play opportunities and things like that. So, and then obviously the third down, the red zone, you know, the situational and the game management stuff. So I think you tend to just really try. try to go in the ebb and flow of the game, and it's funny because, you know, you're sitting there trying to watch the game and it's, it's cool, but when you have other people around you that want to talk and ask questions, and you're like, come on, man, it's third and five here.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, what defense are they in? So, I mean, yeah, so, no, it's, I think you just, you watch the game from what you're used to. So I just really try to really stay in tune with the situations. And because, you know, it's just like you look at that game. There's two or three plays for Pittsburgh.

that go the other way, you know, then, you know, maybe it's a tighter ball game in the second half. So, you know, and just, you know, because, you know, the ebbin flow of the game is, is so critical to the success in our league. And I think it's just the parity has been so evident that games are that competitive. And, you know, the big plays just can swing in that momentum, you know, so far to the left that sometimes you can't get it back. Watching in public is certainly difficult, you know, with people around it. I don't want to say, like I'm some super football expert but Jesus, when you watch a game

in public and you hear some things that people are saying, it's like, this God being dumb, has this person ever, have you ever watched the sport before? It is hard, isn't it? Coach, I couldn't even imagine for you. I could not even imagine for you, but it is great how much people love it

though. Which is part of it all, you know, part of it all. You talked about the second half there for the Green Bay Packers. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, coach. The second half numbers are coming out with the Steelers and it's pretty bad. Hembo sent some stuff just basically saying, yeah, here it is. The Mike Tomlin Steelers allowed fewer points per game in 2008, 2011

and 2010 than they're allowing in the second half alone this season. And, you know, Tony's talked about this a lot. It's not as big of a deal if there wasn't so much money on the defensive side. And what I want to ask you about is this clip from footballing with Big Ben

and Spank. The Pittsburgh Steelers when I was there, and for as long as I can remember, were the best in the world or one of the best in the world at making halftime adjustments. As players, we were proud of the coaches at halftime. Great coaches that were able to make halftime adjustments. We didn't play well in the first half. They were going to make adjustments, and we were going to go on the second half.

And as long as we executed and did what we're supposed to do, the adjustments made at halftime, we're going to give us an opportunity to win. As I'm watching these games, it doesn't feel like the adjustments are being made. Again, I'm not in the locker room. I don't, maybe they are and the players aren't. I don't know. This is just my opinion. Now, is that coaching, is it players, is it adjustments?

Is it a lack of adjustments? I don't know. But it just feels like the second half of ball games, we stink. And I'm just asking a question. Are we making the proper adjustments? Yeah, so coach, obviously even Big Ben is the kind of question. And we love Ben. Yeah, that football and show is electric.

He came in the suite too. Awesome guy. And I'm a Patriots fan. I don't even give a shit about the Steelers. but when you're looking at something like that or hearing something like that and then Tony just let me know 47% of the points they've given up have come in the fourth quarter what the hell is going on because it feels like there has been especially the past few years where there's been issues with the offense or defense and the halftime adjustments have

been called into question and you know obviously they let go of Matt Canada midseason which was very kind of not to the stealer way if you will do you see something happening with the defense when it comes to, you know, something along those lines. And what's your kind of understanding of it after being in there on Sunday night? Well, I think you've hit on a couple excellent points here. I think number one, you know, and, you know, first off, you've got to love Ben's beard. It's looking sharp. Oh, yeah, man.

That was strong. But I would say second half adjustments. I've never been, you know, wanted to say, hey, let's get in there at halftime and get this. I mean, because it's really from the coach's perspective is going on. the whole the whole game. I mean, you know, if your coaches aren't, if your communication network is not, you know, you know, flowing through the whole course of the game, then yeah, there's something, there's something wrong. Or halftime really gives you a chance to go down and show some pictures as a group, get, do more group talking and things like that and dressing kind of,

it's, it's more of a reset. So I think the adjusting component is something you just got to look at, you know, the flow of what's going on. I mean, I think when you, you get into games and you watch trends that continue to happen, then then that's a potential issue. You know, I think that's something that it's week eight, week nine. I look at these more as trends. You know, I think that's why you got to really watch how you react to stats. And trust me, every head coach, every general manager, everybody, you know, the analytics departments, the influx of information is constant.

So I can promise you that they're looking at it and in the reality of they're going to clearly know what's going on inside. You know, make, you know, was, was it, was the communication, was there a breakdown on the adjustments that only the players know? Because, you know, sometimes, and AJ attested this, that, you know, things are said and it's not clear during the course of the game, and sometimes you don't get that iron out to halftime or get an eye or not, unfortunately, until after the game. And that's, to me, that's, that's, that's, that's really reflected of your communication network

that needs going on throughout the whole game. So, yeah, I think these are something, these are things that they're definitely addressing. and we all understand that when things don't go right and there's a lot of money involved, then, you know, the criticism goes way up. And that's justified. And I think that's whether you're a coach, you know, in a situation where, you know, that's going on at this time of year in our industry, but also with players. So that's part of the criticism and the higher the stakes go up in the NFL.

The intensity is only going to go up. I heard Peyton Manning say halftime adjustments were a lie. Okay, I've heard AJ and you say something similar. so whenever players like Ben say we took a lot of pride in the fact that we made great halftime adjustments, is that just second half calling plays that are good as opposed to calling the same shitty plays

from the first half on both sides of the ball? Is that what they're saying? I can't speak for them, but I think also the big part of play calling us too is the execution. I think, you know, I always felt that, you know, I always felt that, you know, a quick, good call is better than a late, perfect call.

And because give it to the player, like my goal was a play caller was to get it to the quarterback as fast as he can, you know, no different if we're talking about the defense. I mean, AJ called the defenses for us in Green Bay. I mean, he's a much better communicator if he has it quickly because every play call in today's NFL, and it's been, I guess, for decades, there are potential adjustments in pretty much every situation. So, you know, I just think when you talk about the communication network, it's not just halftime, you know, it goes on throughout the whole game. So, you know, because you want to be clear, concise, and get it to the players so that they, you know, because they got to communicate, you know, higher the communication, the higher the confidence is and the higher that the execution level will go up.

Yeah, and like the Patriots, as an example, they are terrible in the first quarter of games. If you go back and look at a lot of the games, they've won, they're down either after the first 10 minutes or first quarter. starter. Yeah, always. And then their defense after the first quarter, the numbers are insane. So that's why the adjustment thing feels real, but maybe not just halftime. Now, on that note, you talk about quick, good play call instead

of being late. And AJ had the green dot. AJ. What? I heard Chase Daniels. I heard Chase Daniels do a play call on his helmet, what it would be like? I obviously never got to experience that. That would have been so cool to

able to have that happen before going out on a field and then trying to do something very, very difficult. But now that I know that you've been this guy, and we know you're super chatty and stuff like that. So can you just walk us? Can you walk us through? Because there's no one of mics anymore. Can you walk us through what

a huddle will be? I'm a huddle with you here. I want to feel like I'm in the huddle. I'm a part of the Green Bay. First off, it's not going to be nearly the conversation of the communication that Chase had. It would be very, very simple. It would say, A tightwell meet two buster.

Tightwell, me, two buster. Okay, any situations I should be thinking about leader? No, that's the problem. You actually, that's the thing. When it's going in your ear, you've got to say it as the coach is telling me. So I'm speaking, but I can't hear myself as I'm yelling it to the rest of the whole defense and repeating it over and over you. I've seen guys freak out like that, and all of a sudden they get the speaker,

and it starts coming in, and they just freak out and panic and can't tell you the call. I've seen that happen. I can't give me one more. Ha! Oh, Oh, Bob, Dave, what is it saying? Shut up, time off.

No, never call timeout. Do you have your ears in? Never call a timeout. If you're on defense, you call your favorite blitz or your favorite defense, buddy, and you tell him, sorry, pal, he didn't come through my speaker. I couldn't hear a word you're saying.

I need you blotered. The raucous environment. Jeez, we're just a lambo, bro. Yeah. Fourth I, coach, do you hear that bullshit? We couldn't hear a word that's saying. Coach, can you make a lot of it? As a coach, coach, if a defensive player called a timeout because he couldn't get the defensive call,

I would assume you'd be a little bit upset at me if I'd have done that. I just give us a call, right? I can give the defense the call. Absolutely. No, you always have to have a go-to call. I was D-Tackle there, too. I was turning around listening to you. Imagine D-Tackle calls timeout because I can't hear.

Wait, what's your favorite go-to call, though? If you couldn't hear, what's your favorite go-to call? I don't know. It's a little double A-A-gap blitzers. There you go. That's most likely. Why is that? Why is that?

Who gets to go? Well, I would usually, I'd go first and go ram my skull into the first person and hopefully ricochet into the quarterback. All right. That's awesome. Thank you for taking us inside the huddle with you, AJ. That was an honor. Yeah.

God, Hall of Fame nominee. Got a chance to hear him. I know. Chase had a lot of communication in that one. That was much different than the offensive. Well, I couldn't hear a word you were saying. Chase had a lot more projection in his voice. Did you hear him do that?

What was your play calls like? Let's say, oh, here we go. Oh, okay. Yeah, this is the one you want to do Oh, you thought of me? Yeah, definitely. Oh. You want a play call?

Yeah, need one. I'll just go old school with you. Well, the other part two, you've got the kid. You got blue right, C, left, too, Jeff, Flanker Drive, X corner. Blue right, C left, two, that drive, right, yeah, downward down to the next corner, buddy. Okay, let's get another one. Would you say anything after, coach,

would you say anything after? Like, hey, watch him, you know, watch them playing cover two. Like, if you had time. George Pickens is bawling right now. Get in the ball. Well, I'll be honest to you, I mean, every quarterback that, you know, as far as a play entry, like some guys wanted to play, like Brett Farr, Brett was like, hey, tell me to play, you can talk to me all the way up to 15 seconds. He was, he was fine. Now, Rich Gannon, you know, because these are the guys I kind of learned with as a quarterback coach and coordinator is, you know, Rich Gannon wanted to play and get the hell off to just get out of my ear.

because he was going to, you know, he was going to talk more. You know, and Aaron was more like Rich. Dack was probably a little more like it. So, I mean, every guy was a little different. And that was really we call the play caller's purpose. And the play caller in the quarterback room, you spend a ton of time talking about each play call in the game. Because, you know, you go through your offseason,

you put the plays in, and these are for normal down and distance. But if we use this same play in third nine, then there are adjustments that go with it. So, you know, there's a lot of conversation that goes on about each and every play with the quarterback. So, you know, we, you know, the purpose of the play call. So you always might want to tag a reminder, you know, with, with that, particularly if you're using, you know, a four vertical scheme in first

and second down as opposed to a four vertical scheme in third down, because obviously the coverage will be tighter, you know, the matchup emphasis is maybe, maybe different. You change the formation, but the concept's the same. So I think, you know, the biggest thing for quarterbacks, and that's why, you know, so much is it goes into. these off-season programs is these conversations, it's always the little stuff. It's the little things that you can give, you know, not only you give to the quarterback,

but he can give to the ex-receiver breaking out or, you know, to the tight end on a vertical scheme, you know, make sure you hit the inside edge of the hash, you know, just all those little coaching reminders, particularly the biggest ones, I think that's where you were going was in protection. You know, your protection adjustments are always, you know, that's really the starting point of getting the, you know, you set the plate, you know, set the table, you know, set the table, get everything ironed out, make sure you've got a solid protection. Because from the passing game standpoint, you feel if you've got a clean pocket, then you should be able to defeat the defense.

Okay, I'd love to hear all that from your brain. Honestly, thank you for allowing us in on all that information. That is incredible to hear, especially from somebody that did at such a high level for so damn long. I would need the wristband, I think, you know, just kind of getting into the offense. But it's fourth and eight, okay? Fourth and eight, 47 seconds left. We have no time out. We're on our own 32.

Okay. I do have George Pickens, and I do have C.D. Lamb, and I am the quarterback for the Dows Cowboys. And you need to act as if I am Brett Fav or Dak. Like, I don't mind the reminders here. What would be your play call, fourth and eight, on your own, 30, whatever it was? 47 seconds left, no time out. Got to have it. We're down four.

We are down four. Need a touchdown. And I like you being chirpy. Okay, so I'm in a hot place, please. Okay, you got to just go double right, two jet. X-knife, Z Puma. You want to get in a two-by-two, give you an option based off where they're going to tilt the coverage

because you've got CD on one side. You obviously got you got George on the other side. So if George gets the one-on-one, don't forget we call it. The play, Pat. You've got to tell the offense to play, too. He forgot to tell them the play. We don't have a time-out, Coach. When am I telling them the play?

As he's telling you and you guys telling the play. You said chatty, man. No, I know, but when am I supposed to tell the boys? What the hell we're doing? He's not waiting on you to respond. Bond. You got to tell the play? You got to tell the guy I already gave you the play. Yeah, but when am I telling the boys? Why you're

telling me about if George is single right there? So that's... I was explaining the play. It might... Okay, hey, double... Or double right to Jeff Flaker and see Puma. Don't forget about the one-on-one to George. Take the Kodak. Oh, you got it. The last four...

13-8. Yeah, you've got a five-year penalty. Maybe a 10-second runoff if things are in real. It's just tough stuff. Oh, my God. Hey, we didn't work on this the off season. It sounds like I need to be paying a little bit more attention in the off season. That's insane to think about that right there. Yeah, but if you know it's quarters, you can just throw it deep, baby.

You can hit Cedar or George Pickens. We're not getting into that. Coach, we appreciate the opportunity there to kind of dive into what your life is on a regular basis and it has been for a long time. That was cool. I got no shot. I think I'm more of a freestyle. Sure, sure.

I think I would be doing, can't hear, can't hear, can't hear. Well, we've said that before. Yeah, I think that happens a lot. I think some of the quarterbacks that have actually done, I've come on this show and go, like, other guys' things, like they say it's not work and it doesn't work. Mine actually go out every single time I do that. It's like, yeah, sounds like that's what everybody says.

All right, let's go to massive game this weekend, obviously historic type shit, especially if you look at literally the history of these two teams. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Coach, you talked a little bit ago about the parody in the NFL, and while I think, you know, that is definitely true, coming off a weekend in which we had more blowouts since 19. 1970 or whatever it was. Chiefs and bills always deliver no matter what.

Basically, the AFC has kind of come down to one of these two teams for the last several years, it seems like. What do you think about this game? How do you see it going? And does this remind you at all of like maybe Packers when you were coaching them in Seahawks where you kind of knew no matter what you might have a game in the regular season, but there was a good championship to come, you know, NFC championship or, you know, deep in the playoffs like you were going to see this team again yeah definitely i mean we've talked on the show before about you know division games i've always loved the division games because they're always the competitive games of the season but when you do have the parental playoff you know contender that

you'd see almost annually you know this may even go to a different level so this will this will play like a playoff game uh and that's and that's where these guys will you know they'll view it but won't talk about it because you know the intensity is going to be real because there history. There's great history. You've got two marquee MVP, you know, championship level quarterbacks, you know, that will highlight it. But, yeah, this game will be of tremendous intensity. But, you know, you always love playing in those games. I mean, Seattle, I think of Seattle and Green Bay, you know, particularly in the regular season, you know, the first thing was where was the game. Because, you know, that was a little bit weird, you know, the crowd noise

still was a factor. I think the offense is in today's NFL do so. such a better job at the line of scrimmage. And I know it's something, you know, coming out of the 90s and the early 2000s, you really had to work on the handle crowd noise. Because, you know, back in the 90s, when I was at the Kansas City Chiefs, we very rarely lost the home game because we had great defense, great special teams. And Arrowhead was just impossible to, you know, to deal with from a noise standpoint. So I do think the noise factor is always a component that when I think back to those Seattle

games, because, you know, we had some rough moments there up there in Seattle sometimes in our early days with the noise. Oh, my God. I just thought of four different rough moments for you guys up in Seattle. Literally, as you said that, just four different, pump, to the pool. John Ryan's throwing a touchdown on one of them.

Oh, yeah, that was the big one. John Ryan's like yes, right here. Yeah, that was a big one. Can see AJ in that one, too. AJ was in the worst spot possible on that play. Well, that's because he called a double A blitz for himself. They did. That's what he did.

Coach McCarthy not. What are you guys doing here? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We were trying to exclamation point your point that yes, we do remember the times up in Seattle.

Now on that note, there are some times in Green Bay, let's go, Bay, huh? Ain't that right, Ty? Yeah, definitely. That NFC championship game in Seattle, though, that one will stick with me for the rest of my life. Like, I'm sure it'll stick with both of these guys. You know how mad Patriots fans were? You know what mad Patriots fans were? We finally were going to have Rogers v. Brady

in the Super Bowl. It was the most mad I've ever been at the Green Bay Packers because they screwed us. Okay, so let's get away from that. Obviously, when you're in the game for a long time, these moments are going to happen. Congrats to you both on getting to the top of the mind and still be champions for the rest of your life. That's right. Rest of your life because there some of us, you know,

they'd never, okay, I thought you were going to pull your ring out right there instead of it was that. Then were you I don't know if you were with the Packers still at the time of the replacement reps. Were you there for that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We were both there. Yeah. Coach, is it hard? Man, what do we do?

We've got a better. We can have a production meeting or something. Christ, I'm bleeding all over the place, right? Jeez. I'm so sorry. All right, let's go through all my worst days, okay? I'm sorry. That was a bad day now.

That was... I know, I understand. I understand. I'm so sorry I brought those up. But you brought up the bad days in Seattle, so I'm sorry that my brain... I brought a crowd noise. I didn't say anybody about bad days.

All right, all that's right. Well, in my head, I heard you say that. And then so many bad days, and once again, they popped up in my brain. brain. So obviously being a part of it has to be a different. Hey, we won't let you know, let's bury the ball. It's bury the ball. We're going to bury that ball. Okay, two,

four of them, I guess. We're going to bury four of those balls and we're going to move on. We appreciate you Packers, boys. We appreciate you Packers boys. Now, football is awesome. Parody a couple different times. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Pat mentioned parity coach. This last week we had a slate of games where there was a bunch of blowouts. We don't

really see in the NFL that often. I guess, is there a reason for this? Is this a time of year? Why do you think we did see so many blowouts. Well, I think, like, you know, a lot of things, you know, there's a lot of variables that go into this, but when I see stats like this, I know as a head coach, you know, one of the hardest thing, not hardest things, one of the things you enjoy the most is competing with the other, you know, NFL coaches as far as how you train your team. So, you know, to have that

many blowout games, you know, at this point in the season, I think you've got to, you got to take a look at it. Why? You know, just when you look at the CBAs, uh, and, you know, what, 2011 and in 2020, you know, less time with players and, you know, the youth, the NFL is a younger league now. So does that mean also the backups are younger? You look at the injury challenge that you have every single year. Are we doing a better job helping in that area as far as the training and things leading into that to sports science? I just think there's so many factors, you know, now you can also say, well, it just timed up that this team was hot and that team wasn't, you know. but I think these are things the league really needs to pay close attention to

because I think you can go down a bunch of rabbit holes here because when you look at the success of the national football league, the first thing is you look at the money and the money is just is off the charts. It's greater than it's ever been. But, I mean, is the quality of play? How are you evaluating the quality of play? So when you see things like this, I know for me personally, I go right to the training, okay?

you know, there's so much that goes into how you train your team in the off-season program, how you train your team and training camp, how you're in-season training because all the adjustments you have to make with this injury challenge, the development of the back half of your team, because, you know, your younger players, your backup players, are you spending money on the middle class of free agency for your backup players, or you're also solely, you know, investing clearly in the young players as the backup, too. So all these different components play into it. it. And I just think when you get there, you'll see, you'll see the separation in the competitive

level and you have games like this. So I hope this is just an accident, you know, but I think it's a bit alarming is the quality of play. We talked about September football. And I've felt September football has been, you know, not very good. And in the last 10, 12 years, you know, didn't really pay attention to it that much in my early years as a head coach. But I also, I started, you know, trying to train differently. in training camp to do certain things in September, just because I just think that's the way this thing's gone, because less time with players and coaches

does not equate to higher quality of play. I don't care what the numbers say, you know, what goes into it. And I think that is showing up here. That's raring its head more and more, in my opinion, as we move forward here. I just wish there could be more time, particularly even if it's just with the younger players.

and AJ I go to our experience in Green Bay and we had the thing called Vets Select and the vets were thought it was great that they were getting some time off and things like that but the other side of that was it was given the coaching staff more time with the younger players so these younger players are playing more and more

each and every year they're playing earlier especially if you also you know if your roster development or your profile is that you're young all the way through particularly even with your backups you know where is the extra training to make sure these guys are ready to play because let's also, you know,

let's throw in the injuries. You know, when guys aren't totally ready to play, they play what? A little less confident, a little less confident player on the NFL field and injury risk can go up. So I just think there's a lot of rabbit holes you can run through here when you see a statistic like last week. That's the first thing that hit me. I was like, wow, I mean, that's, that's something you've got to continue to talk about.

Now, with that being said, they're not, you know, they're making more money than ever have. so nothing's going to change. So thanks for giving me a chance to, you know, just add a lib here. No, you're sticking up for coaches there. Sticking up for coaches a lot. No, absolutely. Coaches get judged. They don't have enough time with their players.

Exactly, but players get drafted off of potential. And then what do coaches say? Well, potential gets your ass fired. Potential is only really potential if you have the ability to work and get to that, you know, and that's where the coaches come in. Coaches are getting judged on that, on, hey, this was the potential. This is where he's at. This is on the coaches.

And then the coaches are like, you guys have cut into all of our our all of our training time. And I think what you're hearing from Coach McCarthy there is not just him, but the coaching community as a whole when it comes the NFL, whenever you talk about the new CBA, the amount of training time, we'll drop this off, we'll cut this off. And the people that are making those decisions you're saying are only worried about what percentage of the money are either side getting and what is the money as opposed to what the product is on the field, which is literally all the coaches are being judged about. Is that an accurate take on why you feel that way? No, absolutely. No, that's part of it. But I mean, we get

into this profession and understands the risk. So I mean, it's not as much about that. I just, you know, we want to be the best that we can be. And the biggest thing by coaching is developing every player to his fullest ability, you know, physically, mentally and emotionally. And less time with those players does, it doesn't help that cause. So I just, I would just like to see more time with the players, you know, particularly off-season and frankly, more padded work, you know, more pad to work in training camp well are you making a guardian for shoulder pads huh and thigh pads and i know the tailbone pad maybe disappeared we need to bring that back too yeah absolutely maybe bubble ball oh there we go maybe bubble ball in the off season you guys will get the physicality and the reps

players get to safety because you can put them in those things yeah they can do walkthroughs you know what i mean then everybody can kind of get blown up in those as well don't you think that could be but you know they're not going to let more training take place like in that kind of No, I know. I just think the offensive line has been at a disadvantage. And I could just, I don't know if I said this on the show before it. I can remember when I was on the coaches Madden committee and, you know, the late great John Madden would always bring it up and he'd say, how can we help these offensive linemen?

I mean, they're at such a disadvantage coming out of training camp because, you know, they, you know, they have the least amount of time to get ready to, you know, to do their job because of, you know, only a certain amount of past. practices, you know, where the offseason, the perimeter guys can still work on their footwork, their timing, and, you know, there's a lot more training opportunity for the perimeter players. Yeah. And if you're going to be a good team, you're going to have to have a good offensive line. If you're going to be an ass team, it's probably because you have an ass offensive line. That's kind of how the football goes at this point, Coach McCarthy. And

always has. It always has. that's football baby that's football coach right here that's what football is always will be where's the game one coach where's game what's game one where's game one in trashes not be able to fight somebody in there coach that's football until the very end no matter how much they soften it no matter how much they try to change rules you're always going to be able to punch somebody in the face better than the other team It's what you're going to have to be able to do in football until the end. Amen. No matter how much they change rules, that is literally why football is football.

And if you look at the teams that win, they are able to fight and win over your team. And you look at the Philadelphia Eagles last year. I mean, that's just like the perfect epitome of old school football coming back in the biggest way here in 2025. They say cyclical. Right now, we're about to see some pine didn't happen. Oh, pine time. Big pine. Every time's turning a pond.

time coach car you know what i'm talking about two four seven yeah yeah you know it's all i just think i mean you look at the playoff teams every year you know look at their offensive defensive lines i mean it's clearly evident you don't you don't make enough playoffs if you can't if you if you're not able to get it down up they live there you know it's uh it'll never change you know and i think with the run philadelphia's on you know their offensive line this this last decade has been so impressive and i think it gives you the opportunity to have consistency and just their level of consistency here in the last five years is unbelievable.

Yeah, I think your population of Pantan needs to be a tough group. Yeah, that is just what. Pantan in the trenches, got to be a tough group of citizens that you got on your squad if you're going to want to win. Now, who you bring it in to the team maybe if you want to go on a real run? And who the hell are you getting out if your team stinks,

maybe in his absolute shite? Tone has a question for you, coach. Yeah, coach the next time we talk to you, the trade deadline will have passed. And obviously your time with the Packers as head coach, the trade deadline was much different than it was when you were with the Cowboys just a year ago. How has the trade deadline changed and what is the responsibility of the head coach during the trade deadline? Well, I mean, the biggest thing is I think people don't really understand how much conversation these personnel departments, you know, that's going on.

I mean, that's been the same, you know, every place I've ever worked. So there's a tremendous amount of conversation that goes on. I mean, that's just really those guys doing their jobs. And really, from my experience, you know, it really gets to the head coach when it really becomes a possible and viable option. So, you know, we didn't do a lot of it at all in Green Bay. There's, you know, more conversation in Dallas, you know, during that period of time. So, but, you know, it's, it really comes down to, you know, how can this player help us, you know, at that particular time? And then there's also the financial component to it from a long term standpoint.

So, but, you know, these personnel departments, they do a hell of a job. There's a tremendous amount of communication that goes out there. You know, someone had asked me, does you ever have to talk to players about, you know, when they're names out there in the public as far as, you know, being part of a trade talks. You know, I really didn't have too many of those situations because I think really players, in my experience, lean on their agents at that time, you know, because, you know, there's a network of communication that goes on, you know, throughout this period. heightens with the trade deadline in front of you.

Coach, it feels like you handle every situation impeccably. If any university was to reach out to Coach McCarthy and get him as a head coach, not saying you would, I think they would win immediately. And if any NFL team was to reach out to Coach McCarthy, I think they become a winning organization immediately. We love the hell out of you, coach. And it's not just because we think you could win anywhere you would go coach again, because that's what you've done your entire career and that you're a Yenzer.

It's also because you've helped us win, brother. Now, we won't be able to make this pick in the next. minute 15, and it's not actually a pick, it's actually just listening to Coach McCarthy describe how he thinks tonight's game's going to go. And if he was to be making a pick off of how we hear his words, like we basically

making pick for him whenever he describes the word, he'd be five and three right now. Not bad. We won't be able to get that in here in the final moment, Coach McCarthy, chitch-chat about that, but we will continue digitally on YouTube, TikTok Live,

I think we're also on ESPN, plus. We're on Disney Plus. Yeah, yeah. We're currently on Disney Plus. All those digital things, we will continue. And Coach McCarthy will break down what the game's going to happen. And we got 30 seconds

to fill here, Coach, until the ESPN show ends. Any messages for the cafes or restaurants out there that are following along across the country, Coach McCarthy? Yeah, quickly. Five and three, that's bullshit, but we ain't got time to get into that. Baltimore, I

think clearly is getting healthy. You know, Miami, you look at these two teams statistically. There's a lot to swore through here, but I like, I think Baltimore is, you know, I watched them play, you know, last week. I like what they're doing. I think getting Lamar back, you know, staying balanced on offense will serve them well. But I don't even know what the points are usually talking with the points. Seven and a half, seven and a half, Coach.

Oh, we go, a lot of points. A lot of points. On the road. Not division. Non-division, yeah, coach. Division games tough with all those sports. Big knife and Teal and the White. Oh, two is fresh.

He's wearing a visor again. Clean. He's wearing a visor again. I really like Miami's front. I think, you know, clearly you look at them on paper. We're starting to produce. I mean, the past defense is something that it'll be interesting if Baltimore tries to get after them there.

But, you know, both teams run the ball well. turnover ratio will probably be a big deal on this. I think one's minus five and one's minus six. So, you know, whoever takes care of the football will probably prevail tonight. So there's some evolutionary comment right there. Yeah, it is. It really is evolutionary, you know, because the stat you need to look for is the turnovers normally and see who wins the game.

I forget what the percentages are. But if you win a turnover battle by like two, I think it's like 75. Yeah, yeah, I think whatever. Yeah. And then three plus is some absurd number. and then obviously if you're able to take care of it. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Dad! Cowboys at Bubba Gumpino.

What did you hear Coach McCarthy say there? How does he think the game's going to go? And what are your thoughts on his thoughts? Sounds like he was leaning Baltimore until the spread was spoken of. So I think he's leaning fans to keep it tied tonight by the sounds of things. Yeah, he said he both teams to run the ball well. We heard him talk about the trenches earlier. AJ, what did you hear from former ball coach here, what he was saying?

I heard the coach might be leaning Baltimore. He said they're getting healthy. Lamar wants to put on a show and he thinks that dolphins may be that win may have guarded their head a little bit they're taking them easy. That's interesting so Dumpy says one way, AJ says the other way classic. A toxic tab, are you

just as befuddled as I am in this entire process time? Well like we mentioned you know with it being seven and a half and kind of starting on Baltimore I it's not the vision game that's not you know it's not it's not too many points for the vision game so I think coach is going

to stick with the Ravens here. Yeah it's the biggest put up or shut up game of all time you could argue you know Lamar put up or shut up you got rid of all of our fun games you better go out there and play your ass off on the other side as to you know you've been running you've been bumping your gums about how the leadership sucks and you know you got a huge one on sunday you can go from one and six and three and six days time to pull up or shut up yeah I think it is big time pull or shut up yeah put up toys or shut up for Baltimore yeah put up something or just see you, I guess.

It's kind of how Dolphins fans might be feeling. Yeah. So how does he feel, you think? I don't know. He's a big pull-up show-up guy, it feels like. Yeah. I think he just had a homecoming back to Pittsburgh. He'd know Lamar's having a homecoming back down to Miami.

You think he's a big night for the purple or black. Oh, because he had a great night back in Pittsburgh. Yeah, but that team. That team and the homecoming didn't have the best night. Yeah, they're waiting. Oh, yeah, you're right. In the ass uniforms. The dog right behind you is beautiful.

What's the name of the dog? that is uh gus oh what a name yeah great dog yeah uh he's a great dog he's a great dog is that a um is that from is that a majestic golden retriever that's all white like peter and uh and and ben rest in peace and mitch and herb streets type dog is that what that is if i'm looking at it accurately that's a yellow lab he's a yellow lab he's a hunter hunting dog how is he how old uh seven seven years old Oh, prime. Master champion, yeah. What's that?

Excuse me? He's a master champion. He's got his, he's got his 11 medals. So, yeah. Masters champion. So he goes to Augusta. What, what happened? Bird dog.

Yeah, he's a bird dog. Oh, so he gets a bird, he gets a bird faster in the other dog? Yeah, Doc, pheasant. Yeah, he's. Are you, are we dock jumping with him as well? As soon as I get off his damn show, I'm going. I mean, yeah, I get on duck hunting. Hold on.

One second. Sorry, I'm slowing up your duck hunt, obviously. Paul, we do the entirety of it all. Are you calling ducks as well? Are you calling ducks as well? No. No, I am an amateur when it comes of bird hunting, so. And you got an 11-time champion?

How's this getting mad? Does Gus lead you to duck hunting or you lead Gus to duck hunting? How did this come? Hey, he was bred. You know, he was bred to be a champion, so I let him fulfill his dreams. 11 times. no it's good dog no he's a you gotta you gotta you gotta get uh 11 ribbons that's what is 11 ribbons you gotta you gotta go through to different classifications to get to get the master

champion oh like karate i do you oh dungeons and dragon black felt a bird on him dungeon and dragons obviously valedictorians do that okay we appreciate the hell out of you coach you're the man michael carth yeah okay wait wait wait wait wait what's his pick well yeah oh yeah oh he's muted he's muted yeah no no who's my pick yeah yeah so it's seven and a half uh-huh that's not all right i'm gonna go against the grain here i'm gonna go baltimore wow

not the division game yeah we appreciate that's not i don't like that's a lot of points but i think i like lamar going home like that i think that's gonna yeah are we in a blind where are we where are we headed to? oh yeah how many you get to shoot karsson good oh he's going

the loss you the duck gotcha the duck gotcha that's them fighting back quack coming in and taggy are you're in a blind Yes, we'll be in a blind. Okay, how many people? Well, I'll let you know if I go. Yeah, go. Too bad question.

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I bet after that he's just looking down at his clock. We're still going? What the fuck's going on? We fuck that up. I guess it's 1 o'clock central of where he is, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. One o'clock pickup from duck.

Yeah. Still got to go. Gus is on camera. Gus is on camera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Guss is on full piss and bit.

Tap on his leg. Could you imagine him booping him underneath the tail? Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, both ribbon on the way. What you want me to do, Gus? We're trying to get the fuck out of here. These guys can't take the hint.

All right. So he picked Baltimore? Yeah. Baudmore. He's the best, dude. College started that way. He could do it. Assistant coaching job at Pitt,

25 years they would offer that for me. I would do it. You just give me a regular price right for the time that we're in? Yeah, I'll take it. We're a medium price just the whole way. It's a calm place, like Patricia on offense. except times 1,000.

Just creating a monster there, and they never are leaving. Actually, I'm just going to stay coordinator here, yeah. He could go Wisconsin, right in his backyard. He played tight end himself. He was a tight end in college. Gosh, so is MCDC. So is Vrabel.

So is JJ Watt? Dicca. So is Dicca. Mike McDaniel. He did not, okay? Oh, shit. You got it. Slot receiver, I was thinking. Yes, exactly. He's running routes with McVeigh out there.

Shout out you. Shout out you. Shout out, you. Shout out, very smart people. And shout to the Miami Dolphins. All right, Gumpy, we're going to make our picks, and let's get the hell out of here. Gumpy, you say what, as tone tells us the percentage that is on the public and the percentage that is with the sports book and any other fun facttoids about tonight's Thursday night football battle. tonight the Ravens are minus seven and a half heading down to hard rock they are getting 69% of the bets against this red which is the same exact percentage as the chiefs on Monday night when they took care of business down there it is seven and a half across the board you cannot get it any other way okay over under 51 and a half where's that rank amongst this pretty high it's pretty high NFL total especially they're both over teams though go on go okay dolphin's been old

over. Their defense looked better last week. Like I said, I've been saying it all week. They started using 6-0 linemen. They averaged over seven yards of play when they did that. They got to stick with it, but if they fall behind and they get past happy, that's when they're going to get into trouble. Your confidence level pretty high? I've been so

negative when they lose that since they won and looked so good, I got to ride the wave. I got to support the boys right now. Malik Washington touchdown tonight is plus 400, I think. He's been the second guy since Tyreeka's got hurt. He returns, kicks, and punts. He's a electric six rounder out of Virginia last

year. I love him. I had a baby goops. Thank you, Guppy. Is Marlon how have you playing? Do we know? Don't. Playing ping pong? Yeah, that's right. Not playing ping pong? He's on that field.

They're not playing ping pong over there. We appreciated Lamar being the one coming out and saying it was me. We were taking the TVs on the I'm about sick. We don't need to. Yeah, Mr. Steve. Mr. Steve, thank you for the TVs. Mr. Steve, we love these TVs.

But just can't have more. Take the remotes. Unplugging. You can't have power to the locker room. We need to lock in. They do, but people think they're going to. People think they're going. Sportsbooks think they're going to lock in and going to run. I think that's just because of our belief on who this Baltimore Ravens team is,

even though this year with our eyes, and we're getting pretty deep in the season now, okay, we're getting pretty deep into the season. Okay, we're getting pretty deep into the season. Our eyes are kind of telling us something that maybe they aren't who we thought they were. And does that make sense because we haven't seen them with Lamar over the last few weeks? No. So that's why tonight on prime time with the, world watching, Lamar returned to Miami. He's going to go absolutely ham, AJ Hawk. Is that what

you're expecting from Lamar Jackson? Yes, that would be my prediction. I'm taking the Ravens minus seven and a half on the road tonight. I think Lamar, I think he comes out there and, you know, he's a jolt of energy for this Ravens team and they play well in offense and defense. I will be doing the exact same, strictly because I've been, you know, traveling with a Miami Dolphins fan. I feel like I know this Dolphins team pretty well. I feel like I know they're players. I know the way they operate. I know the way ownership likes to operate.

I know the way general manager slash president slash guy who has a lot of say for a long time down there likes to operate, just certain things, I think, not necessarily every single day of his life or their lives, just their worst decisions for sure. I'm hearing about those on a regular basis. And in my eyes see some stuff. And it's like, yeah, that seems to match up

with everything that I'm hearing from, you know, lifelong fan of team who is just one. What are we doing? What are we doing? From the off season, when they traded away all their good players. And then said, yeah, we're trying to try to win this year. It's like, well, yeah, we got to figure it out. Did you guys get rid of, like, the drama that was in there?

No, no, it's still on. Yeah, we got rid of actually the people that like this team. And we're like, like, proud to be on the team. So it's like, okay, so what is the plan down there? And then it starts going the way that it's going, and you immediately think to yourself, like, I guess Miami Dolphins fans could probably say that this was going to be asked from the very beginning but they had a blind optimism strictly because they had seen success in the past and in my

eyes they have a huge win against falcons that was awesome massive huge win is that is that enough to just swing the pendulum to be able to stop the lamar jackson momentum that's coming that everybody's expecting including sports books who are risking a lot of money by saying they think he's going to come back and dominate and they seemingly are read on a regular basis i uh i like the balsmore Ravens as well. And this Miami Dolphins experiment thing it's going to be fun to talk about like 10 years from now. Like it is good. Because

they could still become, they have all the talent down there. For sure. And legitimately, just like Dolphins fans were able to sell themselves on this Dolphins team, that's still all there. Now granted, no Tyree Kill. So that is a game changer for his electricity. But still, offensive innovation, a quarterback that can make great decisions,

get the ball out quickly. Defense can make some stops. We've got some special teams. We've been able to win games in the past. It's like, This Dolphins team has everything that can get And waddle is faster and everybody still And you know We hope to see a lot of wattle And we hope you wattle in the end zone

A couple of different times Just because he is electrifying So you can get caught up in the wait a minute The Miami Dolphins are the team And maybe they are And maybe tonight they prove it to everybody That what you had seen with them Isn't actually who they is

And then on the flip side of that Maybe last week was the anomaly You know Possible And maybe this Baltimore Ravens team figures out how to play defense. Yeah. I like the Baltimore Ravens tonight, minus seven and a half strictly because I can bet on Lamar Jackson with clear or conscious.

It's tough for me to do that on the other side. That's fair. There was one other massive change last week, Frank Smith, the O.C. First time in two years, he was down on the field with the guys. He's talking to the boys. And he was actually the reason Darren Waller said he'd only come out of retirement to play for him or John Gruden. So that made a big difference last week as well.

Best the offense has looked all year. Coach Smith down on the sideline? Frank, you said? Big Frank Smith, yeah. Francis Smith, they say whenever he's around. Yeah. The boys feel like everybody. I just didn't want to leave anything out.

Is Big Mike calling plays or is a big Frank calling place? What's that? Big Mike McDaniel calling plays or it's Big Frank called in place. I think it's a Mike and Frank duo. Okay. I think it's a little Mike too since we have a big mic. Big Mike was. great on the show today. Yeah.

He was so good today. You think he's going, duck hunting? I mean, he's got a fucking 11-time award-winning dog. Yeah, you hope so. Like, if he was not duck hunting, that'd be wasting that dog. Yeah. Like, actually, you know what I mean? Well, you've got to train him. That's what the dog's trained to do.

You need to take him out. It's what he wants. It's his drive. All that dog wants to do is just go get a, go get a bird. Yes. Wakes up, how much longer until I get a chance to go get this fucking bird? He just wakes up, see bird, get bird. Bingo. Just like AJ woke up, C-ball Gippel.

AJ actually woke up and said, let me punish myself in his weight room for two hours to showcase that I still have discipline and I'm humble. Ben, let me go to that ball. Yeah. Then he,

when he got drafted, he was coming right out of the weight room, they said Andrew Brant said, I never forget it. AJ comes in. Dripping sweat for a workout. I say, do you want to go through this?

You go, no, I assume my agent got it is. Yep. Sign up a dotted line. What do I sign? I just want to play football. And lift weights.

Point me to the weight room. click-clack dude also they're paying me soon you're right yeah always hey you had a good click-clack moment there for a long time that was a good ad campaign oh yeah fantastic that was really good I'm still talking about the yons will never understand

no when click clack came through changing cleats game dude first year they yeah first year they they had football cleats was my rookie year what was another game changing commercial with sounds the squeak basketball yeah the Nike basketball ones yep Budweiser frogs

Great one The bass ball So Christmas jingle Where they're shooting threes And it's just Oh yeah The bells Clydesdales

During Christmas time Yep Good sounds For Coca Cola Click clack That was kind of a cookclack too Those are good Super Bowl commercial

They need to do that I'm not getting anybody I mean Bud lights dude Yeah It was kind of short-lived Apple had a run Where they were

The one where The guy basically just goes around and like his buddies are doing stuff that pisses him off and he just keeps saying like dude and you know it's like those were classic And it was the other one Bud Weiser had the

Was uh Yeah Yeah yeah that was the Dudley boys right Well and more so afterwards The Dudley boys I think it was And then 3D Apple had a good run where they were just like Coming out with banger songs

That no one had ever heard of before But they were sick Yeah that was great Come along Mmhmm Yeah that was one of them Still listen to it every single day From the moment I heard it on him.

Yeah, where do they find him? That's Jimmy Iveen, I guess. Yeah, Apple Music. Yeah, yeah. He's got the ear. Yeah, that's what they say. There's other people that say he couldn't hear my shit. I saw those on the internet.

But hey, you're always going to have that. Governor Jeff Landry, I'm stopping by today. Thank you, Gary. Busy man. Busy man. It's going to have to change all of everything. Yeah. And also, well, Gator, too, going to have to die during that.

Yes, they are. Ain't that right, AJ? that's absolutely right right does he have his own gator farm do we know the whole state yeah yeah yes you're right he does he rules all the land he can go every one he does yeah we can go hunt that swan like he did

got an airboat parked in his front driveway I've been down in Louisiana I went hogging frogging and holing right uh definitely what holing yeah yeah whatever it's called yeah is you're plugging holes yeah you go plug holes oh it's called noodleing no noodleing yeah shouldn't be doing that around gators they said and don't stick your noodle

on a hole yeah yeah that is what they say and it's yeah i think that is what they say banana to mouth not mouth to banana bingo sure also say all right hold on no all right here we go that's what they say i think either way it might look similar Nope. Yep. You tried out that age. Tone, show us. Show us, Tone. I'm not your guinea, kitty banana. Jeez. No, you're my guinea.

Okay. All right. All right. Get it? I'm a Italian. No, no. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hey, hey, hey, hey, a little bit. It's Halloween. You can say whatever you want. Happy Halloween, everybody. Happy Halloween. Godin's got a new mustache, new face. You see that?

age that's big day yeah he looks good it does look honestly every time he it looks very different it's weird it's true yeah beard to mustache does kind of change he went didn't you just go beard full beard to nothing on us one time did that happen oh I think it was like Tom Selleck right now that's cool oh you do look good that's good that's good or mustache him said he dated Monica Giller hey J.C took that thing yeah I told him got to take it done you see Skelly's here nice return man so Those kids took that giant thing out of AQ's yard and then brought it back, obviously. Yeah, one of them.

They try to get two of them, but that's some of the bitch on the other side fought back. Yeah. We got trigger-treat tonight, and it's getting some better monsoon since last night, and it's still going, yeah. Tonight, I thought it was on Friday. Everybody does it. Come on, it's so high. You don't trick-or-treat on Friday night because there's high school football on Friday night. No, there's no one's ever done that here.

God, that's awesome. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Love that. You're lost, brother. Wait a minute. No, we don't need. Trick-or-treat's a great added weeknight that feels like a weekend night. No, definitely. In my mind, in my head, and I think back as a young lad, young boy,

I think about middle of the week, Halloween is what I think about. When we were young and actually never fell on the weekend. I don't know if that's true enough. It did kind of feel like that. It felt like that, though. Yeah, because you go school, obviously, do the thing, and then you have the night. It was like a full thing. I feel like shit at school the next day, always, because you ate so much candy the night before.

Exactly. It felt so cool staying up real, real late. Yeah. Yeah. Also, hustling. This one's for my brother's sick. you know, two different pillowcases He's out home He wasn't able to call this for my brother, he's sick Got the flute, it's terrible, thank you Big, uh, they got big candy bars here

As my brother, my sister too Yep I have to go ahead and collect these things What a time. Halloween was legendary Yeah, so fun So much shit happened around Halloween When you just look back in your, in my life at least

So many, I mean college, Jesus Christ Yeah I mean, yeah, right dude. Morgantown Halloween. I know there's other places to talk about it. Everybody was celebrating. Yeah.

There's people that don't celebrate Halloween. I'm like, what fucking happened? Did you know that if you go to a Catholic school, the day after Halloween is always off All Saints Day?

Oh, brilliant. Some of these things are just really smart. What's tonight, though? Oh. No, last night. Devil's not. Which started in... Detroit.

Detroit, Michigan started tonight. It's Devil's Night, which I think. I think, I don't know, the way we kind of viewed it is young reckless teens was purge, basically. Yeah. So we can kind of just go to do wherever fuck. We want to kill anybody, but, yeah. I mean, we can certainly run a little rough shot right here.

No rules aside from there. Yeah, we can certainly do some stuff here. People are going to be on guard, got to look for them. There's going to be people waiting. My old man used to sit on the front porch with a BB gun. Bingo. Those are the guys you can't run into. Yeah, that'll get you.

That'll be a bad devil's night. Tommy, dude. You don't want any of those. You show a Paloine there in school? What happened? Mr. Merole. nobody nobody needs to be going there

okay golly maybe drinks a man yeah big franks out there with his boots and his goat yeah that was those are good times man

Halloween's great holiday and I appreciate Taylor the Juan celebrating this morning yeah he did a great job that was great work six different costumes I texted

Wolcompton in middle this I'm like yo just kind of let him do like I think it's kind of his it was like his because he did have oh yeah

had a hot dog in her that was going long-haired biker guy didn't from Tim Robinson I believe that was supposed to be macho man yeah

or holkster I forget which one it was supposed to be macho man he actually apologized for the low quality of it later holy fuck man

okay that was the first one too right wasn't it yeah right out the gate oh no should it Camp you haven't to explain all you are right out the jump

he had good this is captain yeah Captain Taylor yeah yeah I think that was This is a good one. He was the pirate. Referee, great one. Obviously, average shows this is good. These are good. Great will we see. Yeah, these are all good. Great cost. The first one was. It was supposed to be macho, man. Oh, I didn't know that. I wasn't watching at the time. I only saw the picture. Okay. I see it.

Do you? Seven con. Yeah, I missed it. Oh, yeah. See, I don't know if you even tried to do that. Smart. He may have. He may have, but. This is what we're talking about here. Hey, good effort though. Good effort. I like that he did it. I like that he did it. I appreciate he loves Halloween. They got the spooky, he's all in on it. I really respect it. I do. Halloween, good time, man. Also, NFL teams all gathering. Yes. You can learn a lot about team Halloween party. That's good time. Middle season check here. You know, you talk about like a draft day where they're like birthday party, the whole conversation about that with that quarterback coming out.

It's like team check here. Halloween. How's it? How's it checking out? Which is why I think, now I think there was some punishments that were levies. upon certain teams. During COVID, whenever you saw some teams gathering, it was like, oh, these boys really fucking like each other. Like, don't you think so, AJ? I think that we can really judge a team from that, I think. Yeah, one of your... Absolutely. If I'm a head coach right now, I would, I would be, I mean, I would be questioning the guys the next day afterwards. Hey, how to go? I was a highway party. You guys, anyone, you know, was a bit of a runaway, maybe. If you guys stayed, hopefully you stayed, you know, you were safe, but I want you guys have a good time to go. Also, who wasn't there? Can we talk about that?

Yeah. Who was a trade deadline next two day? Who's pouting? Who's pouting? Who's pouting? it didn't show up. Trade deadlines Tuesday. So who, just so we can get a nice little of this entire. And I'm not saying you're getting traded because you're not at the Halloween party. Obviously people have lives and families

and shit like that. But on that note, if there is somebody that is not maybe playing as well and also not getting along with the boys, I'm not saying that's going to immediately leave to a trade, but it certainly wouldn't affect it. Think about it. It certainly wouldn't affect.

And then there's some, I don't know, maybe not anymore, but there was an era of people making decisions about teams that didn't even think about whether or not these humans would get along or like each other or they like-minded. Like that is something that was happening for a little bit. It feels like we've kind of gone away from that from every

gatekeeper we talk to at least, AJ. Don't you think they? Yeah, you'd hope so. They at least say they do. They at least claim that they're worried about the character and if the person, how they would fit in the locker. I think they, I think the majority of the guys bringing people and absolutely do think about that. I don't think everybody does

but the majority do. I think you have to. I think Halloween is a good thermometer. Because maybe you fucking, like, cards, you give back to the whole team. Yeah, that's the whole team. Could. How many, there was no Halloween party? Who hosts a Halloween party?

One of the trainers had a gather. Nobody on, the quarterback didn't even. Oh, no. Do you think your controversial guess held a Halloween party this year? He always does, right? He does love Halloween. He actually got into a little bit of a quagmire. He did get into a bit of a quagmire.

Because he's very public stanch on which. part of the entire jab he was on certainly said you're not allowed to gather around the others if that's how you're going to operate with your things inside your body yeah was he right in the end of the day well listen everybody's going to be right somehow i don't know but i think he certainly feels vindicated but a lot of things he has seen in red yeah absolutely feels vindicated yeah but everybody else everybody's right which goes back to you guys need a scoreboard over there They need a scoreboard in politics. I don't know the world, okay, politics world well enough.

I've gotten to the point now where I've gotten a chance to chat with people that have dabbled in that world, whether it's former teammates of mine going all the way in, okay? How's he doing? Great now. He's watching. He's great now. But also, you know, from different events that we've been at where we've had a quick interaction, maybe a quick pepper of a question.

And I do utilize. I think people would say that are around me in these moments. I utilize this time with these people to ask questions that I assume most people would not ask. Like, I very much have a, oh, fuck, I don't know if I'm ever going to see this person again. Got to get it out. Got to, got to, got to get it out. So I've had a lot of those moments in the entirety. That world is just no, it feels like there's no winning, but also somehow there's no losing.

I don't know how that even works. I don't know how that works. Everybody's spinning that they're saving the world and everybody has somehow stats that they're saving the world. and if you have that, you're never going to get somebody to disagree or change their opinion. So they need a scoreboard, they need a fucking scoreboard. People say election day's scoreboard, and it's like, yeah, but does everybody listen to that and pay attention? Who's tallying? Who's tallying the scoreboard is the question? Who's putting the numbers up? Yeah, and what's a point?

Yeah, because what's a great thing for one person, and they're his whole group, the other group's going to come out and say, you're killing babies. Like, that's just how it works. Yeah, there's always a very strong counter. There's always a very strong count. What's that? We need to elect a grand scorekeeper. We need a point one.

Like Jeff Landry, we need a point one. Yeah. Yeah, well, he's not going to make decision, but maybe the people that he puts together. Who does everybody like? Nick Saban. Boom, Nick Saban. He'll keep score.

All right, one. Then they'll make a counter argument. Make out of half. You got no points. You lost points. Why did you think about doing that? And that's part of the problem. You know, as the counter start coming in,

oh no you're ruining the world oh no you're the worst person and then this oh no you're real yeah but what about the good we're not keeping score on that we're talking about what the worst possible outcome can be here because that's probably inevitable

that's why we love what we have here in sports be your friend tell her friends something nice it might change their life we're in this thing together to the politician people we appreciate your efforts if your efforts are pure and you're trying to make everything good

which we'll just assume you all are knowing that's not true we will assume and hope that that's the case. So we appreciate you all so much. Let's go ahead and get football and college sports figured out. Yeah. Because you guys sent that over to NCAA. They're never going to get that done.

Right, age? No chance. No chance. They're waiting all you guys. And then he said, well, why don't we meet? Yeah. That's what I think should happen. Exactly.

And on that note, everybody should meet. Everybody should be meeting all the time. Let's be learning. What's evolving? Let's work together. Let's be a friend, tell a friend, something nice might change your life, wearing this thing together.

Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team. Bye.