The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1453 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 11 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Indiana QB Fernando Mendoza, Puka Nacua, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys overreact to everything that happened in week 11 of the NFL season which saw potentially the best slate of games we’ve had so far this year, they also break down a massive college football slate, and go over some of the best overreactions from the internet. Joining the progrum after the first 15 to give updates on all the different injuries that happened on Sunday and to preview the MNF game is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter. Next, starting Quarterback for the Indiana Hoosiers, potential Heisman Trophy winner and #1 pick in the NFL Draft, Fernando Mendoza joins the show to chat about this special run Indiana is on, his relationship with Curt Cignetti, his pregame routine, relationship with his teammates, and more. Later, All-Pro, Pro Bowler, WR for the LA Rams, Puka Nacua joins the show to chat about his relationship with Davante Adams, how ridiculous Matthew Stafford is, how excited he is for LeBron to be back for the Lakers, their big win over Seattle, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Humble abode, the Thunderdown, on this massive overreaction Monday, November 17, 2025. This program begins now. Football! It's magical, and week 11 Sunday slate was spectacular. I mean, you talk stupendous, you talk magic, you talk what football can be yesterday was, and tonight, week 11 wraps up on Monday night football as the Dallas Cowboys. There's three and a half point favorites traveling to the desert to take on to Las Vegas. Raiders. Good luck to all parties trying to follow what happened yesterday.

This is one of those things where it's like the main entree just happened. How can you be a dessert to what took place? We shall see if Dak and Max Crosby on the same field will be exciting for three, four hours tonight on Monday night football. Well, the Dallas Cowboys cover three and a half against a Las Vegas team that turns ball over a lot and you know, not having their best year and obviously Pete Carroll's there. Chip Kelly's running the offense. Gino Smith leaves Seattle. now. Seattle's a whole other conversation as well.

Their quarterback is through four interceptions yesterday. So did they make the right decision in the long run? We shall see. But Gino Smith and the Raiders have not been spectacular. The Cowboys, so much drama, so much controversy. But Dak Prescott, always good. So at least tonight should be able to light up a scoreboard we shall hope in Las Vegas.

The talks at tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, congrats of your Green Bay Packers. Big win. That's big win. That's a big win. Hey, John's good football team. That's a good football team and boring on a great football team when James Winston's playing quarterback. So that's a great team win back on track.

I love it. I don't know if you heard about this. He did the Harlem Shake, you know? Oh, yeah. There were some Youngs that had no idea what that was. Do you know that the Youngs thought that that Harlem Shake was that like Vine video where everything was quiet and then it won crazy and did it? They forgot the, yeah, yeah.

And the guy who did it is sitting right next to me. No, no, that wasn't me. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Well, I mean, to be fair, the one video I saw, the background music was the do the Harlem It wasn't the dance The dance, the Harlem shake James went, yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh,

Now, he didn't do it. Is that what was? Yeah, I think so. I think so. He didn't do it as the cleanest as I've ever seen any human do anything. Sure. But his tour of New York awesome

is only going to continue, I mean, he is James Winston. Exactly. He gave a pregame speech. He had a press conference. Obviously, he did this. He did his thing. And they almost beat the Green Bay Packers.

Yeah. Now, they didn't, which is obviously what we all assume would take place. Green Bay Packers. Packers, did you learn anything about your team? Are you guys going to be able to win a Super Bowl, you think? Jordan Love came through when he really needed to. His stats weren't the greatest, but it was very windy yesterday,

and he let him down through a huge touchdown pass, so seven drops is going to skew what his stat line looks like, but I'm very confident. Guess what? This is the Packers team. For a lot of the game on Sunday, they're going to make you want to take an ice pick and shove it into your eyes, but if they win, that's good by me. Okay, an ice pick is certainly quite a descriptor there

on how you want to feel while you're watching them play. He throws this, hey. Touchdown, great play. Josh Jacobs gets injured, though, right? In the game with a knee. That's a massive piece of the Green Bay Packers' offense. We'll certainly talk to Schefter here in a bit about that. Congrats to the Packers, surviving and advancing. Getting a win and getting to next week.

Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Thun, congrats your Pittsburgh, Stair. Thank you. You're from the town with the great football team. Now who's going to be your QB? Okay, so Aaron Rogers injures his wrist in the middle of this game, first half the game. Mason Rudolph gets into the game and does his thing. Now, Aaron Rogers is saying that he'll be back, according to people close to him, says Ian Rappaport.

He was in the tunnel after the game, dapping everybody up, clearly had something on his wrist. Obviously, any time you get a nasty fall like that, it's going to be worry him. Allegedly he wanted to get back in the game. They didn't let him get back in the game. Steelers still dominate the Cincinnati Bengals with Mason Rudolph. Ton, your thoughts on how the game went, how the team goes, and what this means for the Steelers in the future. You got the Bears next week, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it was vastly different than the first time we played the Bengals on Thursday night football where Flacco went 38 of 40, and Jamar Chase had 37 catches for 400 yards.

This time with Kyle Dugger and Jalen Ramsey at safety. The defense has been much, much better the last three games that that's happened. So Flacco was not as good. Hudd him under 200 yards, got a pick. But as far, that was awesome. That was almost like the AB kicking the Browns punter right through the chest. I can't remember his name. Yeah, it wasn't me.

No, no, it was not. No, but people put me in that position a lot. No, that was not me getting stepped on by Antonio Brown during the return, which he has certainly done to people. Jalen Warren doing that same thing early. It felt like the Steelers were maybe trying to set a tone. And also, I would like to point out, grass, not that ass. No, the grass looked great.

It operated great. So shout to the grounds crew at Akersher, but Steelers get a big time wind tone. Yeah, they did want to set a tone, specifically with that darn out Washington catch where he just put four bangles into the ground, as you'll see here. He is awesome. He's quickly raising his level to one of my favorite Steelers of all time. He doesn't want to tackle me.

Oh, he's going to try to punch it out. Nope, you're going to get tossed as well. Darn out, Washington was awesome. But as you talked about, Mason Rudolph comes in, it's awesome to have a backup quarterback that is experienced. And you know when you football games, because he has it this time of the year before. So no matter who the quarterback is, I feel confident going forward.

3412, whenever the Bengals, the Bengals have a lot to figure out, obviously going forward, we shall see. There was an incident that happened in this game that will definitely talk about here in a matter of moments. And it is definitely a part of the first 15. your NFL event. Darius J. Butler looks incredibly cool. Miami Dolphins kick off a Sunday NFL

Slate with a big time dub over in Spain. What a win for the Dolphins do. Are they hot right now? And where does the quarterback want to play? Miami, I'm assuming. Back home? What are you talking about? No, no.

I was a wall. Spain? That's either he wanted to. He played two worlds. No. Berlin. And then they played in France. Right.

Ireland, England, Hawaii, him and Marriota. Nonetheless, a lot of places you could have said a lot of places. He seemingly wants to, you know, live in his own world, doesn't have a clue what's going on outside. And if he does and he's just doing that to do all that, interesting. Kind of need a new take on him.

But other than that, dolphins won a few games. They get rid of Chris Greer seemingly doing well. What are the vibes you think down in South Florida with this Dolphins? Vives got to be pretty good. You get a win. Obviously, you know, all the distractions you've got to deal with when you go across the water, but back-to-back wins now,

and everybody from the outside looking at them, hey, we got to fire the coach, we got to fire the gym, we got to do this, we got to do that, get rid of it. So for the boys to rally and get a couple back-to-back wins,

kind of back against the wall, I'm proud of them. I know they're proud of themselves going forward. I think they can keep stacking wins and maybe be lurking when it's all sitting down in the AFC. Yeah, we'll see if the dolphins are lurking.

Shout out to McDaniel, getting an opportunity here. Also, shout out to the other half of the hammer. Don Cowboys. Boba Campino. to experience Miami Dolphins merch throughout the season because he thought he was going to have to hang them up forever. He could put it back on.

Congrats of you, having a great start to your Sunday, Gumpy. All the way back, H.N. is unbelievable. Just keep pounding the rock every game, boys. Vilma and Kenny Albert to start our NFL Sunday slate, I loved everything about it. The international games are done. And to the international games, I think their stats coming out, that all of them were close.

We'd like to give a big Kenny Albert. Yes! To what you were this season. And... Yeah! We can't wait to come back, and we hope that the international games continue to grow, and we appreciate the hell out of all the international fans who have taken a love to our sport, our game, our league.

You people are awesome. Thank you for the passion. Shout to you guys singing country roads everywhere, too, and crushing it, and them not even singing it in Pittsburgh this past week. What are you doing? Everybody sings that song. That was awesome. That was great reaction out of those answers.

I really thought there was going to be a little bit of maybe sprinkled through there. Somebody would catch on. That was an immediate. Buh! No way, we're not doing that. Shout to Pittsburgh for showing up on Saturday. Obviously, I'm talking about the fans, not the team. Notre Dame kind of did their thing

to the University of Pittsburgh football team. Notre Dame might be very, very, very good. Jeremiah, I love special talent. Obviously, shout out to CJ Carr, getting a big-time win. Aaron Donald getting his number retired at halftime. What was he trying to break my neck? What the hell was that? Was he trying to kill me out there?

Too much. Old robbery. Now, he might have potentially gave me a heads up that if I was to pick against Pitt, there's a chance that he's going to. going to throw me off the stage and there might have been a little moment of me going to go you wouldn't do that to me would you from palm you're from Penn Hills and then obviously you're getting a chance to kind of see him flex what he has they showed a video before this of

Aaron Donald he's a isolated chest benching 160 pound dumbbells 106 that's 320 pounds both those 160 on each of the shoulders everything needs to be in there and this is the man where I told him yeah right I can't pick bit you're out of your damn mind for the good of ball and then yep good good get the hell out of here shit I'm glad you're too loud of your feet. Thank you. Yeah, like the cat. Nobody's talking about it.

You know, someone said like a panther, but, you know, I won that day. I'm like an Irishman. Stay back there, too. Absolutely, yeah. I didn't know what the next steps were, but I knew I wasn't want to be a part of it. But I want to let Aaron Donald know. We appreciate the hell out of you taking time out of your life to join us on College Game Day. Everybody that hung out with us that morning was special.

That was a cool feeling, man. Rudy's subs comes through. My guy, Greg, who's deaf. I didn't get a chance to give them the full high. You know, thank you. Yeah, love you, man. kind of get in there. Didn't get a chance to do that,

but I appreciated him. Serafino's, obviously, Italian came through. Dallas out of pizza. He brought 120 slices pieces of cheese. Yeah, it was the first time I'd seen. Serafino's brought, like, dinner for 15, maybe. They set it up out there. Rudy Subs had like 30 subs out set up there,

all kind of diced up. Literally, the first time I've seen all crew production, everybody, like, kind of come through, like a buffet style. And I think that's exactly how Pittsburgh people would want it to be on the backside of that entire thing with the food. And then the crowd showed up in a big way. I got emotional a couple different times, you know, because I don't know if game day was supposed to go to Pitt. You know, I don't know if that was supposed to happen.

It felt like there was some conversations that took place where it was like, hey, this could be special. Just right across from the point, as a boy, you know, as a boy growing up there, kind of seeing the whole city come alive for the good of football was sweet. So shout out to Pittsburgh and we're going back to Oregon. It feels like we were just there. Great. Feels like we were just there. Perfect. Always a great environment.

Always a great environment out there. Obviously, JMU was like a once-in-a-lifetime type thing a couple years ago. I think there was an opportunity to maybe travel there. Montana, Montana State, I think was happening in Montana this time, as opposed to Montana State, which, you know, the two Sadies, I don't want to get them wrong. Bozeman and Missoula, I do believe. This one would have been in Missoula as opposed to Bozeman. So I think there would have been potential craziness.

And then USC Oregon, Oregon's fans always awesome. It's a college game day, but this particular game has massive college football playoff implications, obviously, and there's a chance down a stretch. But just know that these conversations and decisions are made by, like, at the end of the day uh i don't want to say one person but it does feel as if one person makes this decision and i am not that person neither is tone no neither is tie don't tell them don't tell him don't tell it's connor campbell it's connor can't the reason montana wasn't picked because nick fowto couldn't be there and you can't go without nick fowdo so that was an interesting pick for picker

up there it was incredible so cold generators were dying off couldn't have the heaters so it had to sacrifice the heaters or the connection. You know, that's what kind of had to get rid of. So set heaters kind of dropped off the thing because we couldn't connect anything. And watching the production crew of Game Day who were a bunch of dogs, all the people that work, the truck drivers, the camera people,

the audio people, the rulemen is on stage, but all the stage people, like, they're beasts. These people are setting up a live show in a middle of, like, nowhere in a lot of different situations. I have no idea how many people have been live to the world from Roberto Clemente Park right there. Now, granted, you can connect to whatever, but just the ability to pull this thing off.

that was the first time I did see a little panic on a lot of those people's faces because we're losing power quickly and we are not able to be connected and it is only getting colder out here they had shirtless whites obviously which is starting that was nuts yeah it's only growing even more Montana was special Montana was special every sign basically was saying don't move here okay it was all in Montana they're using college game day as a way to tell the rest of the please like hey still we know it's awesome please please just kind of do we take it easy stop moving here then nick fowdo gets introduced as guest picture hey Nick what's you're tired of Montana

moved here like three months ago. Everyone should. Boom, get this guy the hell out of here. That was awesome. He had himself like a gentleman, but Montana was sweet, Jim, you was amazing. Oregon, every time we've been there

has been a spectacular scene, but I do know there was other places that certainly wanted it, and it's so cool to be a part of something like that. And those are once in a lifetime stuff that could have been experienced again. USC Oregon, obviously massive game. Oregon people have been good to us.

So I don't want to speak for everybody that's on the stage that gets blamed for where these things go. you know but i think that is kind of how it all goes now speaking of how it goes we have a segment every single monday every single overreaction monday sorry but the top five headlines coming out of the sunday slate now we don't like to do scripted stuff you know we're kind of just a free flowing conversation daily it it causes us to step into some stuff everyone okay if we're more structured we probably wouldn't be in the uh conversations that end up happening about us on a

regular basis, maybe even the Jeopardy Clue question, you know, if everything was a little bit more scripted and structure. But we feel candid conversation is the best way to go about learning about stuff, entertaining about stuff, and informing people about stuff. So we don't normally do this, but we said we're a football show. We need to do what football teams do. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15. Now, this is driven by Ram. It's not first 15 minutes, no, it's the first 15 scripted plays that we have. In our case, it's the first five, the big five headlines coming out of a Sunday slate. We put the clock down the corner. Last week, I think we won 40-some minutes. We'll see how this one goes. Start the clock right now. Number five headline

coming out of week 11, Sunday slate, the Bears, the Kings of the North. Now, we got a big number four right there on the top left corner of that particular graphic, but it is number five on a headline, and that just tells you the headlines have been fluid this morning. We've been trying to learn about what the top five are. And the Bears, getting a shout-out is certainly warranted of the conversation. Caleb Williams and his Bears team are doing something special. Ben Johnson came into Chicago with a whole culture that he had to shift, a whole culture he had to change. And what did he did it? First couple weeks weren't easy. First couple weeks weren't easy. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these guys never going to get along.

Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these men never going to be able to be a winning tandem in Chicago. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, will they ever see the same? One guy wears fingernail polish. The other guy wants to run his face through any wall that he sees. Are they going to be able to? They have, and they are now the kings of the NFC North with Week 11 just wrapping up for them. Now, it's not just their offense, it's not just their defense, it's their special teams as well.

Fourth quarter, Don won. Minnesota Vikings thought they had a massive win. J.J. McCarthy makes some huge throws in the fourth quarter. Huge completion. Jordan Addison goes absolutely crazy. Big return. The Chicago Bears. Cairo Santos

snakes won in the left now it looked like that thing was hooking somehow that thing stayed true and now the Chicago Bears are sitting at a wonderful seven and three record as the top of the NFC North D. Butch when you see the Chicago Bears team there's some stats

you need to look at it. That's their fifth win when they're trailing in the final two minutes that's tied with the 2016 Lions and the 2011 Broncos for the most since the 1970 merger okay so that is literally It's just already historic. We got a lot of games left to play in this entire thing.

Their defense, good at everything. Defense is unstoppable. Special teams, making kicks, big returns. Tori's a great punter. Can the Chicago Bears win a Super Bowl right now? Is Ben Johnson showing up as the bell of the ball in the coaching cycle for good reason? He immediately gets there in the midway. The monsters of the midway are all of a sudden back in Super Bowl conversations.

I don't know if we put them in Super Bowl conversations just. yet, but we know getting to the Super Bowl starts with getting a playoff game, a playoff home game at that, and they're in position to win their division. And we talked about how would this marriage work? How would Caleb Williams operating this Ben Johnson offense? He's still figuring that out, but this defense,

you mentioned it. Dennis Allen, leading the league right now and takeaways. Got three guys right at the top of the league with Byer Edmonds and Wright when it comes to leading league and interceptions, and they picked on nine, J.J. McCarthy, whoever the hell was out there throwing the ball. Even though he did stick with it. Stay in the

fight and make some plays late. They figured out. You mentioned that third phase of the game. And this is the dynamic kickoff showing the impact on games and their outcomes because they had a chance to win the game. The Vikings, they went up a point and then boom, in one play of the game, you kick in, do it when they comes out and brings to

midfield and they figure it out. You know, the president hates the kickoff, but on that note, have to throw a strike. It's like baseball tie. You have to land it in the strike zone, basically. You have to get out of the game. You have to cover a kick. Now, granted, there's going to be teams that don't like it, but the Chicago Bears viewed it as an opportunity, and they get exactly what they're

looking for. They probably knew old buddy had been kicking it into the corner. They get a stretch, take that thing wide side of the field. A couple good blocks, three good blocks, and all of a sudden they're wide-ass open, getting almost back in the field goal range. And Cairo Santos has been kicking a long time. Football gods blessed him on that way. Football gods blessed him on that. That thing was hooking, then it almost appears if the football gods just kind of blew it in there because they saw some of the throws, JJ was made. And they were saying, hey, listen, this team cannot win. Okay, and that ball is still moving while he kicks.

You go back, can go back a little bit. I did not know that ball was still spinning. So that ball is still kind of spinning from Tori here as he's trying to fix. Lace is directly right whenever he catches it. He's trying to spin it and catch it. Normal miss. Okay, so even more so. Wow.

Ball spinning like that, very hard to kick. I mean, obviously you're trying to hit a sweet spot. Sweet spot is moving while you're kind of kicking it. I would, I don't fake stats. 87% of the time, that is a miss. Okay. That is certainly a miss, especially with. the ball moving. So Cairo's mental

toughness to stick through that kick without giving up and bailing on it crazy. But I think once again, it's the football guts. I think it was the football gods saying, nah, this guy's throwing a ball in the front row of the stance. This guy's throwing a check down 14 yards over this guy's hit. We cannot allow him

to win. Now, I think JJ in big moments needed a touchdown through one. Yeah. JJ needs one. He does it. So if JJ can do what he does late in games in the biggest moments throughout the entirety of the game, I think the Vikings have something special. You know, and that's kind of what they say about nine. That's what they say about JJ. And on a flip side, Caleb Williams does Caleb Williams shit every single week. That offense is obviously

going to be very dynamic, no matter what, because the way Ben Johnson can kind of script things up and play. The defense, he talked about it insane. Are the Green Bay Packers and everybody else in the north? A little scared of De Kings, which could be De Bears for what? The next 20 years of Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, Ty? I don't know if I'd say scared, but at this point, like it's no longer a fluke. Like the proof is in the pudding. I think most fans in the NFC North just assumed going into the season. We understood Ben Johnson was the bell of the ball, but it's like we've seen this with the Bears time and time again over the last several years.

So, but now it's to the point, like they win these close games. And I think what we've seen is that stuff typically, I don't know if you can play a whole year and sustain that, but that stuff doesn't usually flip in a year. It'd be like next year is the year where they lose all these one-score games. So like they're doing it. And like you mentioned, I mean, they have a pretty tough schedule ahead. of them, but they just continue to win. This is not a team you want to see, you know, have the ball down a point or two in the

fourth quarter. Yeah, they're very calloused, you know, they've got a lot of close games. Here you have each division leader, okay, in the NFC and the road that they have left. You talk about that Chicago Bears team. We got Steelers, Eagles, Packers, Bronze. Now, that's at home. If that was in Cleveland, that's a whole different ball game. And I don't know how we, I don't know how I missed it on Friday.

I don't know if you saw that when I was talking about the Browns, Ravens. I didn't even put together that that was going to be a night game 405 pickoff in Cleveland that's going to be a night game they're going to have lights on there Cleveland's defense in Cleveland like

Hey that's a tough out like for anybody that's going to be even if their record remains what it is which is not another win like three wins

two wins whatever it is four wins who knows what they're going to do a quarterback what do you mean they need to play all three quarterbacks every single alternate snaps all week all week

They need to do that. But the Bears, you talk about the Packers twice, obviously, NFC North football Lions last week. Niners are in there. Brock Purdy looked unbelievable. Then the Philadelphia Eagles is the Philadelphia Eagles, and the Steelers might have just found it. So when you talk about a hard road to the playoffs,

if the Chicago Bears are still the Kings of de North by the end of this run right here, let's assume they're going to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. They are currently third longest, sorry, third shortest odds to win the North. Green Bay and the Lions are still ahead of the Bears to win. the division. Yeah, and I think it's because of the road you just saw. Shout out to De Bears, though. And if your team is ass and has been

asked for a long time, you should view the Bears right now. They might just lay an egg down the entire stretch. Yeah. What the hell? So, the Titans just irrelevant. They can no longer win the division statistically. Yeah, so the sportsbook say, we want him to let you.

Week 12? Yeah, we're heading in a week. Have we seen this week 12 yet? I'm sure there's been some ass teams. Yeah, when Lions were 0 and 13, I think. Yeah, and a lion, and it, Browns. I think we were 0.13 at one point, the Colts as well. I remember those days. I really, you weren't here.

You came after those days. You don't even know, brother. You don't even know. Browns, still a chance, bros. Yeah, still a chance for sure for the Browns. That one seems going to get dark soon, too. That one's potentially going to get out of there soon. But the Bears, long road.

Good luck to them. And currently, Duckings are to North, so let's celebrate the fact that you can be asked for a long time and then beat the Kings very soon. I guess Chicago's showing that. Now, let's go to the number four headline, shall we? Oh, did you see it? Wow.

Did you see it? Uh-huh. There's been a Josh alien Allen sighting. This dude is not from here. This man looks like a big country bumpkin, doesn't he? Oh, yeah. He's got huge hands, bigger than the average Joe, bigger than the bigger Joe. Yeah.

He's got more athleticism than the average, more athleticism than the athletic, Joe. Mm-hmm. This man's taller than the average. This man's taller than the taller. This dude's got a better arm than the average. This dude's got a better arm than a super arm, haven't you? Yep. This guy's special.

Montana? This guy's MVP. This guy's historic. This guy's legendary. And he's doing things that only he has done in the past. Anytime they're saying, hey, this is like the second time in history, finger roll to Dion Dawkins' good celebration. Team chemistry seemingly very high.

But whenever you're the MVP, VP, everybody thinks like, okay, how are you going to top that? How are you going to top that? Had hard knocks. How are you going to showcase that big celebrity wedding? This guy's super celebrity now. He's more just a football player, remember? That's right. He's reading lines. You know, he's doing other stuff. I'm not just a football player, I guess. I'm a little bit more than that. Let's go ahead and pull that. Let's run that. This guy's not focused. Yeah, right. Him and Otto Graham are the only ones in the history of the game to go for three touchdowns on the ground, three touchdowns in the sky. In the same game, he's done it twice. Auto's only done it once. Now, at the beginning,

of this game, it felt like the Bucks defense had him. And at the beginning of the New England Patriots game, it felt like the Bucs defense had Drake. I'm starting to look in, I don't have a stat that, hashtag stat that, but I'm starting to wonder, did the Tampa Buccaneers throw everything they have at a quarterback in like the first quarter? And then it's kind of sink or swim,

and the good quarterbacks are able to figure it out. The bad quarterbacks are going to end up dying. Let's keep an eye in a nose to the grind center on that particular story about the Bucks defense, which certainly did their thing early. But whatever you think about what Josh Allen was able to accomplish for the rest of the game, and what Josh Allen was able to do,

this guy's special. talent. And think back to, we talked about the Bears being asked for the last 10 years. Josh Allen was kind of asked the first couple years of his NFL career. Guy couldn't throw a damn thing. We're talking about J.J. McCarthy throwing balls into the first row, second row. Fourth row, I saw one of them, JJ.

Oh, yeah. Josh Allen was the same. I mean, Josh Allen had no idea where the ball was going. Could throw it a long way, could throw it very fast if you wanted to, had really no clue where it was going. They bring in Stefan Diggs. He works his ass off in the offseason. He gets better and better and better, but never loses his humility or he

edge. Gaines of football IQ, I think, through all of the different reps, and he's still untackable. D-butt, this guy's an alien? He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. Does he need a little bit too relatable maybe when he talks? He's kind of funny. He's charming. He's about personality. Teammates love him. He does, you know, Dee? No. He does D's not. He does all these things that make it appear as if he's a, oh, we'll be a rancher. We'll go get a couple hundred acres or a thousand acres or whatever. They'll never expect it. This guy could be an alien just dancing in the skies of a big country bumpkin

idiot who just happens to be outrageously good at football and leadership it seems. Yeah, you're never out of it when you have a quarterback like Josh Allen, reigning MVP for a reason. And look, you can look at his supporting cast. A lot of people are saying it for years. You don't have the good enough pieces, talented

enough pieces around it. But I like the stable running backs they have with Cook and Ty Johnson when he does in the past game. Shavers, he kind of broke out this game. Had a big time game. This game was an unbelievable back and forth with Baker and Josh, but he just took it by the horns and three touchdown passes, three touchdown rushes. You would think like a Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson or one of these quarterbacks has done it. Whenever you've done some shit in the NFL that hasn't been done since the 1950s, that's very, very impressive.

And take care of, you know, he threw two interceptions twice. Yeah, last year against the Rams as well and doing it again here and just putting a team on his back. That's what they needed. That's what he needed. So big time play, big time win, big time game from Josh. Alan. Josh Alien once again. Yeah, this guy's otherworldly. Can they win a Super Bowl? It's what everybody asks. I don't know. There's some stats and tributes that a team needs or attributes

that a team needs to be able to win a Super Bowl, especially what we're looking into. Do the Buffalo Beals have that right now? I don't know about all of them, but I do know the quarterback based up there in the AFCs. That last piece, those last few plays, those like design run plays that Joe Brady kind of called more of. So tough on the defense

because you pick up an extra blocker and it really becomes 11 on 11 down here. You're first and gold down here. You just put going a quarterback sweep to the right. Like, that's tough for a defense because you still have to count and go with James Cook and do all this other shit. And you got 17 who's just as good as any, you know, top paid running back in the league when it's in an open field.

So that's an unbelievable weapon for them now down in that red area. Yeah. And I like how excited he is. Very rich. Yeah. Okay. Married, celebrity. Being able to figure it all out.

Already accomplished. You know, hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. Obviously, everybody will talk about that. but still like visibly emotional and passionate about the game is what I love. That was the same about Stefan Diggs last week whenever he jumped up and did the outside kick. I'm like, hey, that's a decision. That is a decision that was made by a guy in a moment. And there's obviously business decisions that have happened over the time.

Josh Allen's still fully invested in being a guy and it's obvious. The AFC East is starting to get packed. Two of the top three odds-on favorites for the MVP come out of the AFC East, con man. Yeah, Josh Allen is always now the bills in it. he really is one of those guys where no matter who your quarterback is, Josh Allen is still kind of the prototype. He is filthy. I mean, you really don't see, to dares his point,

a lot of guys at quarterback running QB power with never a question if they're going to get in the end zone or not. When he runs that power, it is kind of just, okay, that's a layup. If there are, you know, seven guys in there and he needs to make one miss or he needs to carry one into the end zone, it's amazing. I think I even can say this with Bill's fans agreeing with me. them not being able to stop the run will bite them in the ass. It is inevitable.

You're talking about New England, sure, but look at the Colts. The Colts have the MVP, you know, Jonathan Taylor. Could you imagine what Jonathan Taylor would do to a Bill's defense who just let Sean Tucker a third string running back run for 110 yards? I'm hoping it. I'm hoping it. But on the flip side, we got to see that alien dancing, which is basically the entire story of the games, I guess. And you're right.

I think Buffalo Bill's fans would say the same thing as Yukon, man. I think they would say we don't have the pieces on the D line. to be able to figure this out. Can they scheme that, D-Butt? Can you scheme your way and to be in a better tackling defense? No. No, no, you got to have the personnel.

And they're banned out. I mean, scheme helps, coaching helps, but you need the personnel out there, especially when it gets to real nut-cutting time down in the late in the season. All right, let's go to the number three headline coming out of the weekend in our eyes. Spitgate.

Ugh. A study on saliva saliing this sport. What's the word solie mean? You say, hey, what do you mean by sollying something? Well, Solly means to damage the purity or integrity of or to defile. Okay. Seems like Solly was actually the perfect word to describe this particular spigate.

Now, let's go to the game in question. Cincinnati Bengals, Pittsburgh Steelers, long robbery. There's been famous fights in the past in this particular series that have caused playoff games to go a different direction. You're talking about AFC North Heat. You're talking about the toughness of Cincinnati. And toughness of Pittsburgh. two newer guys to said rivalry.

Jamar Chase obviously been there for a couple years with Cincinnati Bengals. Jalen Ramsey just got traded in Pittsburgh Steelers. He's playing safety now full time. And it feels like that's probably the position that he should have been playing for a long time. They'll be able to do a lot with him. The one thing that'll be constant with Jalen Ramsey, though, he's always going to be up in your shit.

And Jamar Chase didn't love that. I guess there was constant bickering. And then it came to an head right here, and when you see more! Jailen Ramsey, He said, I don't think so. He says to the rough, did you see that? Did you see that? And Austin Briskey says, you know what?

I don't think you guys saw it. Let's go ahead and zoom this in a little bit more. Oh, wow. Now, Jamar Chase was asked about this after the game in the locker room, and this is how it went down. So just in clear, you did not spit on him all right? That's what you're saying. I didn't spit on nobody.

Okay, so then that leads to the question. Does there a chance that Jamar Chase speaks like Sergeant Slaughter? Is there a chance that he had no idea that he had no idea that he, he hawked a massive loogie onto Jalen Ramsey. And he happened to do it low, too, so he'd hit some skin. You see, this is starting to become a thing. You got the visor here, he got the thing. I'm going to make sure I get in there.

Maybe Jamar Chase is just a spitty talker and an active speaker. And that, that Lugie that clearly came out of his mouth onto Jalen Ramsey was just a part of him. You, poof, maybe he caught him. Can't have it. Maybe you caught him a hch. Oh, you know what I'm saying. Piece of poop. Yeah, maybe a piece of poop or whatever the case is.

And if he's able to breathe and run with that much saliva in his mouth naturally, that's a feat in of itself. And they should do a sports science, rest in peace, on everything he's doing. Jalen Ramsey said, yeah, he's lying. He spit on me, so it's up. I don't get fucking about football after that. Respectfully, of course, he spit on me, so it's up. So football's kind of behind it there.

So let's just chit-chat about this a little bit. there does seemingly become a line in things that are allowed and not allowed. Happens in combat sports, you'll see like something's said, something's done, where they're like, you want too far, you want too far. Feels like everybody in competitive sports agrees that spitting is just something you don't do, especially in the face of somebody. It's just the biggest sign of disrespect that you could possibly do. And after hearing what Jalen said and watching what Jamar Chase did,

and Jamar has to deny until he does. Sure. Has to. And he might even say, I'm just at the court date. He might act like that's how he speaks in this entire thing. But Debutt, there's no multiple times we've seen it this season. And it's also multiple times that we've heard everybody basically say, yeah, you got to do what you got to do if somebody's going to spit in your face.

It feels like that's just kind of the reaction we all expect if you get spit on. Yeah, that's what's surprising to me. We all saw it with the Jalen Carter one earlier in the season. And before that, Dack has spit on the ground, which shows you how, you know, just disrespect what the act is. Now, when it actually touches you, whatever the response is, it's kind of warranted you. I think we all agree on that.

But that's the most disrespectful thing you can do. This is something that as a player, I don't think I've ever been involved in a game where it actually happened. That's how rare it is. And now we have like this research. We had it here. We had it in college.

I think that same week when Jalen Carter did it. So just something you can't do. And obviously, you know, Jalen Ramsey, you want to be out there for your team. You don't want to, you know, he's a vet. He's been an all pro. He's a Super Bowl champ. He wants to be out there.

But how will his team look at him if he didn't do you? Yeah, I mean, you got it. I mean, it's tough. You're putting a tough spot to react. that way. So Jamar Chase, the precedent has kind of been set with Jalen Carter being suspended. I hate calling for guys to be suspended, but if you do it to

that guy, you kind of have to set the standard because you can't just have guys spitting on people. Yeah, I mean, we talked about it a little bit with Darren Payne last week. I'm assuming his game check number is massive. Now, it is the first year of a massive deal, I believe, or a second year. But so maybe the guarantees are a little less, but

when the one game suspension does get dropped because that is going to happen, people need to remember like, hey, this also comes with a huge number, I think, depending on whatever the guarantees were at signing. I ain't spelled nobody. So you're going to have to watch the tape. We did.

Pretty clearly. I don't see it. Well, here, they zoomed in, and there's an alternate angle. Oh, that's me talking right there. Everybody knows me, knows. That's how I talk. That's how I talk.

Jalen Ramsey, though, becoming tone setter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If he was to get spit on and didn't respond, tough day in the office today, going into the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. So, I mean, that is a, that is a, you know, that's a... Six, seven. There was a lot of Steelers fans that were upset at the time

because it was a crucial point in the game. They were getting to get off the field. Obviously, they get a first down, and then as soon as the video came out of them, spitting on them, they're like, oh, fine, yeah. You should have actually, yeah. We should have seen one of those, actually. Can't be just spitting on people.

So there's a suspension coming. We all assume. We'll ask you after here in a matter of moments. Let's go to the second headline coming out. Oh, no. Oh, what? You need to see, there's a question mark here, okay? Big one.

The Chiefs is not the Chiefs? Question mark. Put the question mark in there because we would like it out, okay? If down the road here in the next few weeks, the Kansas City Chiefs figure out how it would be a great football team that we know the Kansas City Chiefs can be.

It's possible. Okay, and if somebody's going to quote this and put it out there, we would like full context that that question mark is larger than all the other letters that are on the graphic. There is a chance

that this Chiefs figures it out. There's a chance of Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes still, which we all agree that he is. None of us are saying it's Patrick Mahomes' fault, but this Chief's team just doesn't look like the Chiefs team. Now, is that because of who they were playing against and the greatness of the team that is potentially about to become the team of the AFC West? Is the Denver Broncos defense exactly what everybody said it was going to be going

into the season? His bow knits, everything that Sean Payton said he was going to be once he got drafted there, is the offense in clutch time able to make any play that, anybody in the NFL was able to make. Yes, and is their kicker going to guarantee a make whenever it push comes to shove? Yeah, so they got all the pieces. They got big play Bo Nicks making all the plays whenever they need it. He's seemingly never rattled.

He can run and make everything. They got weapons outside. They got pieces everywhere. And then their kicker is going to make the kick. I think now he's like 15 to 17 or something like that or maybe 16 of 18 under Sean Payton whenever it comes to the final 10 seconds of a game for having to make a kick to tie or to win. Will Lutz was with Sean Peyton in New Orleans. He's with him now

in Denver. And it's like Patrick Mahomes we all agree, goat conversation. Cote talk. Chiefs in the middle of a dynasty. We all agree that that's happened. Or is the dynasty over? D-But, they put a stat up on Sunday night football. Shout out to this particular stat.

One score games last season, 12 and 0. This season, 0.5. And then I saw a bunch of people tweeting me whenever I said, what the hell is going on? We had a bunch of status statisticians come in. This is regression to the mean. This is a regression to the mean. That's what this is. I saw a bunch of people acting like, you doofus. Obviously, after what happened last week, there's a lot of super intellectuals attacking me for everything. This is regression to me. That's what this is, you idiot. Everybody's saying this is natural. And we've seen it

with teams in a past who had a football gods blessing them heavily one way, one season. Then the next year, completely turning against them. But it felt like the football gods have been blessing the chiefs just for like 10 years almost. So them just completely flipping it. right now and losing all these close games. Dee, but is this the thing? Is the story of the one score games? They can't get it done at the end where they usually would be able to?

Or is it a full game type thing where they're just not the team we thought they were? And I have a question mark next to me saying the Chiefs is not the Chiefs, do you? Yeah, I don't like going against the program, but I don't have a question mark. I'm going to put an explanation point.

So no. Wow. But yeah, let me, yeah, let me. Yeah, because I just, worked hard on this for the last 27 seconds. And put it next to the... Yeah, you can put it up on there. Get it up on there.

If you want. There it is. Oh, my God. Boom! Act. The Chiefs are at the Chiefs. They ain't, I mean, look, they just played the Broncos we've seen in this Patrick Mahomes era.

They never lose to AFC West opponents. They always dominate AFC West opponents, especially, what's today? November 17th? Patrick Mahomes and Chiefs, they don't lose in November. This is when they get hot. This is when they start rolling. 20 other than we're... Yeah, now we're five and five right here sitting in 500 and week 12.

Like this isn't the Chiefs, this ain't the team. Patrick Mahomes, they're not getting it done. There were spots where they could have hit some big-time plays. They even got bailed out with a pick six and got called back from Baron on the bullshit penalty. But the Broncos made the plays. They made the plays kind of all year alone and definitely late in the game. When you expect it, hey, it's 13th, it's a close game. Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, they're going to find a way to win this type of game.

McMillan played an unbelievable game, had a sack, had a pick. this defense is absolutely yeah this defense is dominant they've been dominant all year long Bo Nix's offense still got to figure it out I think they will but now I'm out on the Chiefs for this year you know look we've had dynasties that have taken some years

off from dominating for this year I don't think we'll see the Chiefs make it a run when those people talk about like regression to the mean with the Chiefs being 12 and 0 and 1 score games last year oh and 5 this year yes that is a thing for normal teams like the Vikings the one year went 10 and 0 or whatever one score games and then went

completely defeated the next year the commanders last year I believe we're undefeated in one-score games and definitely aren't this year. But that's not the Chiefs. When you are good teams like this and even the Eagles this year, that's just what you do, you win really close games. So for them saying regression, I mean, no, this is like completely something that is not normal. Yeah, and you talk about the Denver team being really good.

So maybe it's not just the Chiefs, but maybe it's just the Denver team. Here's a Hempbo stat about them out sacking their opponent. This is the sack differential for them and obviously against them for Bo Nix. they're plus 22 right now or sorry plus 36 which is better 22 better than the next person 4 9 sacks 13 sacks allowed Bo Nix doesn't get sacked and they sack the

quarterback and it's coming in bunches from everywhere so I'm not saying that the Chiefs is not the Chiefs like my friend D butt here I'll be able to put up alone it's going to be a tough road if they is still the Chiefs right now yeah and it was impressive watching Bo Nix do this this was his best game

I feel like by far you really didn't turn the ball over and it was in the biggest game I feel much better about Bo Nix today than we did last Friday after that Raiders game. But they just pulled up the kind of wildcard situation the Chiefs are looking at now. The Jags have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. The Bills have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. So I'm also with you. There's still definitely a question mark.

And you could say like, well, I could easily see the Chiefs finishing 12 and 5 and kind of rolling through the rest of the schedule. And then you realize they play the Colts next week off a buy. And it's like, you know, it's tough. Number one storyline, off a bye. Wait. Cultural winner. What?

Boom. I learned it yesterday. I was watching. You play. All right. It's not the actual real one. Okay. Okay, fair.

Please put up the real one. Thank you. The NFL's final played it. Now, I would like to say, the Colts winning Super Bowl still could be a one. Yeah. After one I watched yesterday, nobody's stopping us. Okay. And there's a couple of really good defenses out there.

which we'll certainly gov into in a moment, but Danny Dom's got to figure out Jonathan Taylor would do his thing. But on that note, the NFL, remember just a couple weeks ago. Had it's biggest ass-shite day it's had in like 55 years. Yesterday, we're tying records

on how great of a game it was or games they were. Five teams won on the final play that ties the record for the most on a single day in NFL history. Seven teams came back to win in the fourth quarter to win. That's the most since 2022.

That ties for the most in NFL history. So what if you think about hanging around and does this game over? still something we want to pay attention to. Yes. And then the final play from the opening whistle till the final kick, this thing is going to be intriguing. That's exactly what the NFL wants. That's why the numbers are all up and to the right for the NFL. Texans, Matthew Wright, I'm sorry, here's Carolina Panthers. Ryan Fitzgerald hits a game winner against the Falcons. Now, this is obviously a rookie coming out of Florida State, hits a big

time win. Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young breaks all-time record throwing for $400,000. 148 yards. Rice Young and the Carolina Panthers might have figured it out. There's another game winner here that happened. Foxies will pick the order here that we will go in. Boom, Houston Texans. Matthew Wright

hits a game winner over the Tennessee Titans down in Nashville. Now the Cam Ward-led Tennessee Titans season is not great. They've already fired a coach. It's kind of ass down there, but they're in this one until Matthew Wright hits a game winner. Will Lutz obviously just hit for Denver. Cairo Santa

for Chicago against Minnesota where it feels as if it's hooking and then the football gods blow it back in there and then Riley Patterson hits a game winner for the Miami Dolphins in Spain so five game winners to wrap up games joining us now ladies and gentlemen is Amman who is an absolute stud

when it comes to knowing things that everybody else doesn't senior NFL insider for ESPN ladies and gentlemen Adam Schefter Jeffty! Shafty, thank you for joining us. I know you caught the tail end of our first 15 there. Let's talk about it.

The Chiefs is not the Chiefs. That is what Debutt is saying. Is that what you're hearing from around the league? Nobody's scared of the Chiefs anymore. People don't think the Chiefs are the Big Bad Wolf coming to town. Speaking of a Big Bad Wolf, that guy's sitting in a jail right now watching this Chiefs team lose. One score games? Is the Chiefs not the Chiefs anymore, Shepty?

Pat, they've won nine straight division types. And barring something unforeseen, they're not going to make a 10. They're just not going to be able to do that. At 5 and 5, with Denver sitting there right now as the number one seed and the AFC at 9 and 2, there are four games behind the Broncos already having lost to them. They're behind the Chargers having lost to them. And so they're in a situation where you take a look right there. I mean, I don't know how they're going to win that division.

Like the goal right now for Kansas City is to make the playoffs, get back in the playoff picture, and then see if you go in three games on the road. Yeah, we'll see what the Chiefs are able to do. Obviously with Patrick Bahams, it's hard to rule them out of anything, especially with Andy Reed and everybody else they have. Let's move along here to other storylines. Injuries, obviously becoming part of the stories quickly for a lot of teams. Lane Johnson, obviously a staple, a pillar of that Philadelphia Eagles offensive line. Liz Frank, injury is what I read on the Internet, four to six weeks.

what are we hearing about Lane and what's likely future for him and the Eagles, Chefty? Yeah, I think it's going to be challenging for him to return in the regular season. I think that the idea now will be to get him ready for the postseason, maybe the end of the regular season, but it is a four to six week injury, suffered it last night. He's been playing through so much this year, and it seems like every week you put it on. He's fighting through. He's getting back out there. He has to leave.

And this is a guy who is one of the standouts in the entire NFL, one of the best offensive tackles. but he's got Ellis Frank. The test showed that this morning, and now he's going to be out for an extended period. But it's not season ending. That's the good part for Philadelphia. That is great news, especially as fans of Lane Johnson. Godspeed on recovery there.

Liz Frank, very annoying injury. Let's talk about people we are fans of as well. Aaron Rogers left wrist, obviously. We saw him after the game whenever he was wearing a hoodie, had a little bit of a brace on. He was dapping everybody up. I believe early reports are that he was trying to get back into the game and then he wants to play against the bears, you know,

because he does. I think he believes potentially he's their landlord, you know, because of what he was able to do with the Packers for the Chicago Bears. It feels like a very emotional game for Aaron to play. What are we hearing as of this moment with the wrist injury for Aaron Rogers? Yeah, I'm sure he's going to want to play against the Bears, but again, he's got a slight break in that left wrist. Now, he's having more tests today, and he probably has had them by now,

to determine whether or not they will have to do surgery, whether they'd have to put a screw or a plate in there to figure out exactly how to do. treat it. I think the team does not believe that it is any kind of long-term injury. So the question now is, does he miss time? And if he does, then Mason Rudolph would obviously start against the Chicago Bears this week. I think that's certainly well within the realm of possibility. But they don't think it's a long-term injury. But today, the test should show more and exactly how they want to proceed with him. Okay. So Aaron Rogers, we know we'll want to play. He views himself as an

old school player, views himself as an old school guy. You know, if I only played while I was 100% at one play in the games. Look up the amount of games that he played. Obviously, everybody remembers the Jets injury taking place. But if you look at how he views himself as the Iron Man old school football, if he can play, he's going to play. That is kind of the way it's gone with Aaron Rogers. We'll see if the Pittsburgh Steelers rule him out.

Josh Jacobs now, let's go to the Green Bay Packers knee injury. What are we hearing for Josh Jacobs? Obviously, massive piece of this Green Bay Packers offense since arrival from the Raiders. They did test today. It was structurally sound, so that's encouraging. They're going to consider them week to week. I think it'll be challenging to

have them play this week against the Vikings. But again, they're not ready to rule him out just yet, but this is a tough guy, and he's usually out there. We'll see if he's going to be able to make it back this week. I think I'd be a little bit surprised and Mania Wilson's played well, long season ahead.

But he'll have a chance. They're not ready to rule him out just yet. We'll see how the week of follows. The good news for the Packers is not long term, no surgery needed, and we'll see how you can make it back. Shout to Rob Domovsky on the coverage there. Let's go down to Atlanta and Al Penix seemingly out for the years what's being chatted about. Drake London also injured. Let's start with Pennix, then go to Drake London. Is it Kirk Cousins' time in Atlanta for the rest of the way here? I do not expect Michael Pennix to play again this season. He suffered a knee injury here against Carolina yesterday. He's going through tests. They did find damage

with his ACL. He has obviously had, this will be if and when he doesn't come back the season, which I would expect to be the case. This would be the fifth of eight seasons in college and the NFL that he has been unable to finish a season due to an injury. And obviously, the Atlanta Falcons have a lot invested in Michael Penix, limped off the field yesterday. The tests were not encouraging. It's not going to be good. I do not expect him to play again this season. And that means it's time for Kirk Cousins to step in, and this is why the Falcons have paid him. It's up to cousins to try to save their season, and we'll see what he can do as the quarterback, but again, Michael Pennick's not expected to be back again this season. How about Drake

London as we stay in the Atlanta Falcons injury report? Week to week, I wouldn't expect him to play this week. They don't think it's serious. They don't think he's going to need surgery or anything like that. It sounds like it's a similar injury to the one that Brock Bowers have where you need some rest sometimes before it's well. but at the very least he'll miss this weekend. Look, now you're starting to get into an area with the Falcons. Like, they're not winning.

If you're not winning and you're out of it, are you going to rush you guys back? And what's the sense in bringing back? Now, they're going to want them back and they're going to keep fighting, but yeah, I would think that he'll miss a little bit of time here. Okay, the Falcons quarterback room was certainly talked about this offseason,

100-some million, and then let's also use number eight overall pick. Are you going to trade Kirk? Are you not going to trade Kirk now? They're both playing. Kirk will be playing, and they're both out of it, basically, seemingly, whenever it comes to the playoffs. Let's go to another quarterback room that was certainly chatted about this offseason. Dylan Gabriel, who has been the starter for the Cleveland Browns, for the last few weeks here, gets a concussion.

Shador Sanders makes his debut with the Cleveland Browns. Obviously, it doesn't go great, massive division game, Baltimore Ravens. Shador had a couple good throws, had a couple good moments, gets sacked, fumbles as well, throws a pick, some other stuff takes place. obviously not the ideal position to be starting, but is there one of those when you're a backup quarterback? I saw obviously a lot of people learning about the way the NFL works and how backup quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps during the week. Obviously, why would we be taking any reps away from the starter

when the starter is trying to win the football game? There's only so many reps we can get done. Why would we waste any on the backup quarterback? That'd be preparing for somebody to get injured is kind of the NFL's thoughts. Now, did they know Dylan Gabriel's? going to get hurt at some point. Should they have got Shador more reps? Maybe. Shador came out handled it like a professional. Obviously

everybody is stuck up for Shador Sanders in this entire process. What do you think happens going forward here? Dylan Gabriel's team? Shador Sanders has an opportunity? Like what are your kind of thoughts on how this all plays out? Yeah. Well, you mentioned that the interesting part, which Kevin

Stefanski acknowledged after the game yesterday was that yesterday was the first time that Shadur Sanders took a rep with the starting offense. Never happened all during training camp, all during the preseason, obviously during practice in the regular season. Those were the first reps. So as we talked about on Get Up this morning, that's the first time that the starting offensive linemen are hearing Shador Sanders cadence out on the field. They don't know what it's like. They haven't been through any reps with

him. And so the reps that the Browns had at the quarterback position went to Joe Flacko. They went to Kenny Pickett. They went to Dylan Gabriel. And none of them went to Shador Sanders, who all of a sudden found himself playing the Baltimore Ravens yesterday in the second half having to step in and be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Now, Dylan Gabriel is in concussion protocol, and obviously most players who are there don't usually clear in a week. We're still waiting for CJ Stroud to clear, and I think there's a real question as to whether he would go on Thursday night against Buffalo. I think there's a real possibility. CJ Stroud will miss his third straight game, and it'll be Davis Mills again

on Thursday night, but Dylan Gabriel would have to pass in one week. And I would say the chances of that are not very likely, which would mean that Shador would be in line to take over as the Brown starting quarterback Sunday against the Las Vegas Raiders, and it could be Shadour

versus Gino Smith. And that would mean Sifansky would be shaping the entire week around Shador Sanders the starter, which they never do for a backup quarterback. So that is just kind of, I think, in real time, what everybody needs to know, like the reality, of situation.

And on that note, good luck, Shador, here we go. Good luck. I'm finally giving him a damn chance. How have you know? He had zero reps with the ones. Well, was he the number one quarterback?

No. No, but okay. So on? I don't have anything else. Okay, okay. All right, just making short. Now, on that note, this week, let's go.

Yeah. And there's a couple moments in there, confidence, comfortable, arm, obviously, everything we've come to see and learn and love about Shador. maybe Stefansky's able to make it work.

Let's stay in the AOC North, shall we? Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shephti, everyone's kind of said that, you know, the Bengals are kind of circling Thanksgiving night, potentially for Joe Burroughs return. But after yesterday, they get killed, and then we'll see what happens with Jamar Chase. It looks like there's a chance he might get suspended

next week against a tough Patriots team. Is there any chance that they decide to just keep him on ice? Because even, you know, I mean, if they lose these next two weeks, you know, what's the point of playing him on Thanksgiving? Well, listen, I think that Thanksgiving always was going to be ambitious for him to get back by that night. I think the more realistic target date was the next week against the Buffalo Bills. But either way, the point is the same. They didn't win yesterday.

They didn't be Pittsburgh. Now Cincinnati plays again this week, and there's a real possibility that they'll be without Jamar Chase. If they don't win that game, then you go into Thanksgiving night on a two-game losing streak or however many games they've lost in a row here. And at some point, at some point in time you have to say if we're not going to make the playoffs, why does it make sense to bring back Joe Burrow?

Now, Joe Burrow is an athlete and he's going to want to play and he's worked really hard to get back. But common sense, logic, if they're not winning and they're out of the, why are they bringing them back? Well, are they going to be in the playoffs next year at any point? And then as soon as they

get out of the playoffs, you're not going to play Joe Burrow? This is me fan of Bengals, owner of Bengals saying this. Because he's faced a franchise. He is program. Now, granted, can a bigger injury take place and knock them out for sure? But I think it's going to be a tough pill to swallow. You've got a completely healthy

Joey Burrow just standing on the sideline while people are paying for tickets and stuff over there in Cincinnati. I think that's, I think that's going to be a tough tough sell, but hey, Bengals will do it. Yeah, they certainly will do it. Bankals will do it. And on that note, Joey B, what we're saying is you're too tough for your own good is what the world is even considering

in all of that. Now, let's talk about being tough. Guess who's back? Back again. Brock is back. Tell a friend. Go ahead, Dee Budge. Rock Purdy's all the way back. Had a great game yesterday, him and Christian McCaffrey did he get out of the game clean. And obviously, he's the guy going forward. But what was the reports with 13 after the game?

He looked sharp. He looked great. And again, he wasn't going to play until he had movement until they felt comfortable with him back there. And he had enough movement and obviously looked really sharp yesterday. Arizona out gained San Francisco by over 200 yards in this game. And Jacoby Borset through an NFL record. record 47 completions. The record for a regular season game, but Brockford came on, was hitting George Kittle, was hitting Christian McCaffrey, throwing for touchdowns, looking like he always

did. He looked surgical out there, frankly, yesterday. And when he's playing at that level, they're a tough team to beat. And he played like that yesterday, throwing passes like that all day long. And again, they're in the playoffs today. The Detroit Lions are not in the playoffs. San Francisco is without so many key players like Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and all these great players that they've lost and yet here they are battling and in a spot where they're competing for a playoff spot.

And they lost Brock Purdy for an extended period of time as well and still were able to win. Mack Jones did a lot for his stock who knows what happens down the road. Congrats to Brock coming all the way back and playing like that. We are happy for him. We thought maybe there would be a chatter for a long time,

seemingly put to bed. You have about 30 seconds here, Chefty. What do we need to know about tonight? night Dallas Cowboys, Las Vegas Raiders. Well, Quentin Williams makes his Cowboys debut tonight. DeMorne and Overshawn comes back tonight for the Dallas Cowboys. That's two

big defensive additions, but let's be honest, it's going to be an emotional night for the Dallas Cowboys. This is the first game that they're playing since they lost their teammate Marshawn Neeland. They come off the buy. It's not going to be the same without him. He's going to be on everybody's minds. They're going to be wearing a helmet, decal. They'll be

wearing T-shirts to honor. And remember him and I would think that the Dallas Cowboys will We're playing an emotionally inspired game this evening. Yeah, I think so, too. And anytime that happens, obviously, perspective gets put into place as well quickly. Hopefully, they're able to find some positive out of it all. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schaefter.

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Mm-hmm. You know, they started doing this like the whole J-mo? And they like the J-mo like this with a shi-stie on there and they're working, you know, and then first now. You know? If they put something on the back of their shirt, that would be really sick. What do you mean? Oh. Oh, sick, bro.

Shit. Oh, there is something on there. Did you see that? Yeah, they were really, you know, they were in there, shot 4-1-2. Hell yeah. This got pitching a lot of things when I was back in Pittsburgh. A lot of things. A lot of people back in Pittsburgh.

I bet. Pitching a lot of ideas. And Shot 4-1-2's been doing our merch for a long time. I haven't really, you know, we haven't dove into the merch world as much, you know, because we've had issues in the past. Sure. People were paying an extra 15, 20 bucks to get that thing in three to four days. They're not getting it for three to four weeks.

Well, whose problem is that? Well, the warehouse certainly doesn't give a shit. No, not at all. Hey, yeah, that's on you. Sorry about it. So all merch became was just a bunch of emails telling me I'm the worst human of all time and I'm stealing their money. So that's enough with this.

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Mm-hmm. Got us puffer jackets. Oh, I love puffer jackets. I need that. Hi. I don't think any of it's available, so I should not be wearing it, but it is all potential, is what they're doing. So I like this one because it's small, but it's not, you know.

It's not squeezing you. Exactly. Which I get right now. This is a large, well, we're getting into the, we're getting into character months. We're getting into personality months. No doubt about it. No doubt. You know, it gets a little colder, maybe has a little different for you.

Turn these jokes up. What's that? Personality months. You know, you got to make sure it's going on. Oh, you're saying something's got to be good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Starting to get a lot of personality.

Bingo, yeah. And I'm losing it. Yeah, you can't have both. Join us now as a man who's the exact same weight now that he was when he was 21 years old. His frame has found that this is the right weight for him forever. So he's going to eat the exact same amount of rice particles, the exact same of dry, no flavor, bland-ass chicken every single day. And there's no changing. No.

And he's going to live forever. Yeah. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion. Radder Cup winner, ladies' gentlemen, AJ Hawker. Hawker, most consistent human that I know. How are you doing, buddy? Yeah, I don't know if that's true or not. I'm not Dano.

I know Dano, he definitely eats very, very clean. I actually eat real food and still enjoy it. You always say that, but I don't think you do. What AJ's trying to say is, I'm okay hanging around people that eat real food. You know, because some of the weirdos who are super healthy, like, really judge and shame and cast, you know, a lot of negative vibes whenever you're eating delicious food around them and they don't eat it. You're a person that doesn't do that. Yeah, we'll order from a place.

What are you guys getting? Oh, burger K pizza sweet. Hey, do you have the chicken that tastes like ass? And that's your deal. That's why we're so impressed because you don't want to bring down the party, but you do your thing. We are getting into personality season, which is also Toyotathon time. Even though we're presented by Ram Trucks, we understand Toyotathon is about a month in football that really matters. And there was five headlines coming out of the Sunday slate that we talked about.

Number five was the Bears are the Kings of the North. Number four was Josh Alien is back. I don't know if you saw a Josh Alien. Did you see him? Yes, yes. That was very fun to watch, for sure. Yeah, he's outrageous, especially when he turns out. I think the last time he did this, it was in the snow.

So maybe he's a little bit more of a Buffalo football game. Now he runs for three, throws for three. And him and Otto Graham are the only ones in history that have done it. Euro step, finger roll. Dion Dawkins takes it home. I mean, they got six celebrations that are with their teammates as well. well, Josh is special. He's an alien.

Number three headline was Spitgate. Okay. An investigation into the soling of the sport of saliva or something along those lines. Sully is to defy our disrespect. Feels like everybody in the sports community thinks this is too far and he can't do it, AJ. Yeah, spitting is definitely, it's like a, I don't know. It's definitely a thing in sports I think you learn at a very, very young age. Like, hey, don't let anyone spit on you and you sure as hell don't spit on anyone else.

I just think that's kind of like a, isn't. Is that, am I naive to think that's the thing you learn when you're young? No, we all had the exact same thoughts over here. You had your thoughts over there. We got, we got people from Boston here, Iowa, north-left Canada, south-right America in South Florida, Pittsburgh. We all agree the same thing. And I saw people even in New York talking about wearing suits talking about it saying, hey, you just can't do it. So I think it's just kind of like an understood thing.

It's been happening a little bit this season there. Debutt said we got a little bit of an epidemic happening right now. what that could be from. Yeah, I don't know about AJ, but I have been around too many instances, especially on a football field where people have actually spit on another guy's face. If it has happened, it's one time it happened in college with the guy who's still on the network, on this network. We had some battles, and he spit on a teammate of mine. We had some issues. But outside of that, it rarely happened. So now this year, I can remember three instances now where it's happened. So it's kind of a resurgence almost.

We don't like it. We don't love it at all. It would have been sweet if the ref, like an NHL ref would have came in, saw him spit on them. Oh, wait, back up, boys. Do your thing. Let them go. Let the boys go. All right, you, spitter, ejected. You, 15-yard penalty. Go ahead and take your seat. It would be interesting because as soon as Jalen throws a right, ref has to eject them.

Okay, like that's kind of the rules. But as soon as the spit happens, it should be the exact same as what everybody that's ever played the sport says. So who knows if the ref saw it or not? But it would have been epic if the ref would have said, all right, let me gather some information here real quick. What happened? you know like a cop on a sitting in the crumb spit on me right here you see this spit on me right here

oh i do see that looks like a luggy do you spit on this man i spit what's that spit on get the fuck out of here had to be evidence had to be that was a big lukey now maybe he was just talking though and he's a spitter like sergeant slaughter we all know every once in while i'll even get something that'll come flying out i feel terrible to whoever i'm talking to i'm like oh you just ate something right there right in your forehead oh my god that's 100% on me there's a chance that is jimmy Chas' defense. Like, hey, I was just talking to him, and I was saying the word P pretty strong

so it looked like I was tightening my lips. But, boy, that's a lot of spit that ends up going to Jalen Ramsey right there, age. Yeah, it sure is. I would imagine, Jim. I know Jemar said he didn't do it. That has to be, right? Hey, I didn't even realize it.

There was a he that moment. I had no clue that it even happened. Here's what Jamar Chase said. So just in clear, you did not spit on him all, that's what you're saying. I don't spit on nobody. All right, okay. There you go.

Everything's being, uh, it's close. And I appreciate you to deny till you die for your Jamar Chase. They said, you know, probable game suspension, but we would like to let everybody know, this can't just become a thing. Like, this is not good. We can't just be starting fights in the middle of everything. Whenever sports in between the lines and in between the whistles is supposed to be something special.

Yeah, it's a sacred ground. You can turn anything into a fight if you just want to go spit on somebody's face. Yeah. Okay. Congratulations. You think this is COVID's fault? You just go ahead and spit in general during COVID and everyone just wants to say. out now. Yeah. Itching to spit.

Yeah. That was interesting. What did your dippers do? You guys had to swallow whenever he's gutted it. Yeah, I mean, you know, some dippers like gutting it just in general so that really wasn't that big of a change. But yeah, you're kind of forced to, exactly. The government

kind of forced you guys to swallow your chew. Exactly. I mean, there's potential potential, there's a potential conversation about that. But yeah, I mean, that is basically what it is, right? We all agree. You spit on Everybody's face, it's a guaranteed fight.

Yes. The ref should have did a little more investigating there because they were standing there talking for 10, 15 sex. There was quite the kerfuffle after the spit. Like both like 12 guys from each team got involved. There was a lot of Jersey grabbing, so I assume the evidence got wiped away. That's just kind of what I was.

Well, it's probably on somebody's. Yeah, just dangling off her arm. The number two headline was the chiefs is not the cheese, question mark, is what I said, exclamation point is what Debutt said. anything for that, AJ? Yeah, I saw Deboe with the exclamation. I mean, I can't be that confident to say they are not the Chiefs anymore because I just started thinking, what if they start to go on a run?

They went three, four, five games in a row, and then what's everybody going to say? It's not a team you want to see in the playoffs. Don't let them get in. They're going to make a run. Like, I could see that still possibly happening. Yeah, there's a chance of the Chiefs, right? That's basically what we're saying. Nine straight division titles.

Is that what Schaefter said? So it's hard to just imagine a world where it doesn't happen for the Chiefs. but boy every time we watch them on film we think to ourselves that ain't the team i'll die alone in my island i don't like that negative island that you're on i'm fine with that i'm not visiting that island come on uh-uh good personality it's good island good personality let's turn up the population one yeah okay well i don't know if you're the only one there's a lot of people loud on the internet calling these chiefs frauds you know and i don't think they ever came out and said they're the Super Bowl champions. We all have just

said exactly what the truth is. They're in the middle of the dynasty. That's what they are doing. They've proven it. They've already accomplished it. If it was the end right now, they would say that was a dynasty. Now, is that what's happening right now? You're not saying forever. I'm not saying that. I'm saying this season, I don't see

the Chiefs making a run and being the Chiefs that we've seen. Super Bowl odds sports books said we're not falling for that shit. There are plus 800 still for Super Bowl odds. That's the third best odds in the entire NFL behind the Eagles and the Rams, which actually goes to the number one headline, the NFL's final play day. There was five games that ended on a final play with kicks happening. Seven teams came back

to win after trailing in the fourth quarter. Both of those tying an NFL record. It was special. Those were the five headlines, basically, we talked about. The things that we didn't get to that need to be chatted about. Debo, what is something that we didn't talk about that certainly needs to be recognized? Something the chiefs have had throughout this dynasty, the Patriots had the tools, a great scoring defense. Still top five in scoring defense right now. But outside of the chief, who has like that championship level defense right here for my four of my favorites defenses right now obviously not only the defense they have great head coaches and also have all fences i think to get it done the broncos got to figure some things out but you look at some characteristics from

these different defense you start the broncos just a violent defense best third down defense leading league and sacks by a wide wide margin talent from the front end all the way to the back end with the secondary and through this little stretch they've been missing the raining defensive a player of the year with Patrick Sertan. So when he gets back in the lineup, they'll be even better. And then the Philadelphia Eagles, the reigning Super Bowl champs, back-to-back week. They just held offenses to seven and nine points in the National Football League. That's tough to do.

And once again, from the first level all the way to the back, they're on the same accord. They fly around and make tackles. They do a great job communicating. They do everything that you want your defense to do. Then you've got to go out west, the Los Angeles Rams. Violent, violent, front forward. Lead the league and stunts right. now and also do a great job on the back end mixing things up coverage wise tying in with that

pressure up front and picking quarterbacks off sam darnal who's kind of been on a great run this season he looked pretty shitey against his grand defense this is a fight for first place in that division and they picked on them four interceptions against sam darnal the last time they touched the field and then the defense that's kind of flying under the radar because of how great drake may in the office is doing as the new england patriots it always starts in the trenches I think the best interior tanned there were Milton Williams and Christian Barmore in there. They're unbelievable. Then you got Gonzo, a top flight corner who can follow the number one wide receiver.

And then you got a bunch of other guys who just fly around and do their job. We know what Braves is. The defensive mind he is. He took more ownership of the defense because the defensive coordinator has been dealing with some health issues this year. They've been great flying around. So those defenses, I think, in tandem with everything around them, I think those are the championship level defenses right now. AJ, we got a hembo stat about championship defenses and how important they've been over the last couple of years as opposed to maybe in the past.

So obviously this past Super Bowl, both defenses were ranked in the top five. In 2023, the year before this past Super Bowl, both defenses ranked in the top five. That had not happened in back-to-back Super Bowls since 1973, 1974, is now becoming ever more evident that you need to have a defense to be able to win the big one, AJ, in your eyes? And do you think there are championship defenses kind of separating themselves from? the pack right now. Yeah, I think some teams are definitely starting to separate themselves and kind of feel they're gaining their identity as a defense. I mean, one

defense we left out, the Bears defense, they're a little under the radar as well. I think they're plus 16 in turnover margin. Now that also is because Caleb, I think only has four picks with the Bears D, they can take the ball away, which is huge. But yeah, you have to have, like, you're going to need your defense at some point in the playoffs, I think, to get a win. You're going to need

a big stop. It's going to be some kind of moment where your offense needs the ball back, whatever it may be. You've got to get a turnover. you're going to have to rely on your defense. I feel like at least one of those playoff games or the Super Bowl if you want to actually win it. Isn't that interesting that, you know, and we talk about this with the trenches all year with AQ Shipley,

it's like if you want to win the Super Bowl, okay, like be good, we got it. And this is kind of the question about the Buffalo Beals. And we don't want to, you know, throw it into the conversation, especially with how special yesterday was for Josh Allen. But if you're going to want to win a Super Bowl, there's a couple things you're going to need, okay?

Your quarterback's going to have to make like a 17-yard dot on the sideline at some point. There's going to be a, a third and 13 or a fourth and 13 that your quarterback is going to have to be able to just make a timing throw. Like that's going to have to happen if you want to win a Super Bowl. You're going to have to be able to run the ball. Okay, you're going to have to be able to run the ball at some point if you want to win a super

you're going to have to close out a game, clock at some point during a playoff run into the Super Bowl if you want to win. And you're going to have to have a defense get a stop at an opportunistic time. And seemingly, there are some defenses that can't do it and there are defenses that can do it. And if you want to win the Super Bowl, I think a good thing to keep. keep an eye on as the season goes late, is like, which defense can win a Super Bowl? That is, it's not...

Defense slash special teams now, especially this past week. Oh, yeah, bingo. When the kickoff, the kickoff is absolutely in play. It has, yeah, it might look like poop, but it has added a key element to this game like that it truly matters. I cannot wait to see in the playoffs how this will affect the outcome of game. Because you have to throw a strike, you know, we chitchell about it like being like baseball. Like, hey, you got to get out of game.

You got to cover a kick here. If you don't cover a kick, you will lose. This happens to the Vikings right here. In another game, I think Bucker hit a kickoff short. I think it didn't make it in there. So that ball was at the 40. I mean, you're talking about, to your point, yeah, defense and special teams executing in big, big moments is going to be what takes somebody to the Super Bowl and what loses people in the playoffs. We think.

And I think they're starting to separate from each other. Yeah. And there are teams who have shown, you know, early on here that they just can't figure it. Like, you know, they'll maybe take a field goal lead with like a minute left. And instead of trying to put it in play, they just kick it out of the back of the end zone. and that's still starting at the 35, and then you're kind of playing soft coverage because you want to keep everything in front of you.

And then before you know what the other team is in field goal range with, you know, 20 seconds left. And it's like we're seeing a lot of these field goal leads just not be safe when years passed. It's like a lot of those times with a minute left, if you don't have one of those elite quarterbacks, you'd be thinking like, oh, we're good. We're going to be in a good position.

That hasn't been the case this year. And the Indianapolis coach didn't play, so out of sight out of mind, right? Gary got to defense, all pro money coming back. sauce garden and he'll get acclimated and since AJ definitely mentioned the Bears who lead in the league in turnovers, the Packers

also a great, great defense, Seahawks, a very good defense as well. And then Wayne, so there was qualifiers for the graphics. The Texans, in Texas, obviously missing the quarterback I don't see that offense being competitive but they are the best defense in the league right now so those are the qualifiers

that kind of left them off to that list. You heard what Schefter said about CJ Stroud over there? Yeah. Three weeks, he's about to be up for a concussion. Well, and that's kind of been the thing already, I guess with, I don't know if the concussion protocol has changed, but they've basically said, like, hey, a concussion now, like a confirmed concussion

is basically a two-week injury, but something must be real bad or something's got to be going on if you're going to be missing three games for it. Yeah, we hope C.J. He did. Obviously, massive. Yeah. It was a two-sider that he took for sure. But we hope he's okay. Honestly, we genuinely

hope he's okay. The Texans were one of the games that ended on its final play. Five of them, AJ, with walk-off kicks. And by the way, they made them all. The kickers made Now, there was eight missed extra points. There's some windy games. God there, okay?

There were some windy, windy games. And that's, hey, once again, November, December, in a lot of these cities, you know, football cities, there's a change in weather. And what changes the weather? Oh, the wind has to bring it in. You see, I don't know much about how it all works, but I did grow up in a town where De Nardo was the weatherman.

Sure. Okay? So I basically get it. And what I need to say is for something to be really hot and then really cold, something's going to have to blow that shit. and it's wind and boy some of these cities their weather's

always changing it's seemingly never stopping something's always on the way okay that is why there's no sun and that thing that's on the way is being brought there by they were showing those kicks last night pregame those things were blowing a full upright I think it was blowing a full

upright from one side to the other and then whenever you think about the other games are taking Cleveland yeah right it wasn't really being chatted about as a national storyline. Obviously, that entire storyline is Dylan Gabriel gets a concussion. Shador Sanders comes in. It doesn't go great. Did you know that backup quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps during the week?

AJ? Yes, I guess I'm surprised to know that everyone assumed that everyone gets equal reps. Yes, I knew and assumed that number one quarterbacks take every single rep. Yes, we're trying to get as good as possible with what we're about to field out here. So every rep literally counts. Now, should they have been viewing who is starter differently? You can certainly argue that. But the entire, hey, the backup quarterback's in a bad spot because it's not his offense.

Yeah. It's a tough spot. It's a really tough spot. That's why it's rushed into the game, yeah. That's why. Kind of the point. It sucks. Yeah, it's a very difficult job.

That's why these backup quarterbacks have jobs for a long time because they're able to make every read, so they're able to give a good look to the defense. They're able to make every single throw. They're able to understand the offense. They're normally good politicians, too, in a locker room, good mediator between starting quarterback, quarterback. room and rest of the locker room. I mean, a backup quarterback has a lot of jobs trying to make the starting quarterback better. That is what the backup quarterback is to do.

Extra set of eyes on the sideline. Homework assignment. Hey, well, you go check out this film third and long with this team. Is there any tells that the corner does or the safety has or there's any lineup? Like, that's a backup quarterback's job in the NFL. Now, I don't know how they're handling it with two rookies because Shador is obviously trying to figure it all out as he goes. So him trying to do a homework assignment for somebody else who also has to try to figure it out. I don't know what that kind of relationship is. But the backup quarterback job isn't like getting

reps in practice. The reps they're getting as Lamar Jackson. He is going against the defense. He's operating Baltimore's offense. So whenever you see a backup quarterback coming in, Ball know that yes, that is very impressive. Everybody is surprised.

And the only real upside is that the defense doesn't know you. Like the defense doesn't really know. Your team knows you much more than the other team, but it's not your offense. It's not something you've repped. It's not like your cadence. None of it is. You're doing somebody else's. Now, if he was to be the start of this week,

this is his team now. All of a sudden, in the meetings. Much more prepared. He'll be much more prepared, yes. Yes. And on that note, we can't wait to watch. Yeah. I am very excited to watch if he is starting. Starts for protections. Absolutely. That's the biggest thing. And AQ can obviously speak to that much

more than I can, but you've got to be able to protect and pick him out. You can tell as soon as your door came to the game, and even with Dillon, But as soon as you get a rookie in there, like, you're bringing all the blitzes. You're bringing the wraparounds. You're bringing the stunts. You're bringing disguised coverages because you just want to make him have to figure out as much as possible. Usually what helps backup quarterbacks, you mention it.

You don't have a book on them. Or they can use, like, mobility or something to kind of just go off script and do that. But when you don't have that against a defense like this in week 12 right now, like this defense has been talking and communicating and scheming shit up all season long, so it's a tough spot to be in for anybody. hopefully figure that out. We'll see how it is going forward. Shador rookie, okay?

So obviously ladies, Dylan Gabriel is as well, and Cleveland Brown's offense has been what it's been. But do we believe in the Ravens defense again? Because remember, they were asked a long time. Do we believe in the Ravens? Have they got to a place where we think maybe championship defense alongside if they're able to go around? I'm not there yet, no way.

I think they can get there. I think they can get there. Kyle Hammond had also got screwed out of a call his fumble. They blew the whistle on them. It bounced out of bounds. it didn't matter, but we got to hold the whistle for a second when we have a guy held up. Please, this is on purpose right now.

What you're seeing is a skill and a talent. This is not some just, oh, we're making the game ugly. Like, no, magic's about to happen. This is taught, repped, and schemed for big brain football. Let's not blow it dead. Let's get some people with whistles that maybe have a little sense. Yeah. A little feel.

Like the Arizona guy. Oh, Trey McBride. Okay. Okay. Trey McBride obviously deserves the penalty in that entire situation. Makes a huge catch. Can't be through it. Can't do it.

Whoa. Can't do it. Huge catch. Runs a guy over. Massive moment. Jacoby 47 receptions. He talks about it. Boom.

And Hurst die. This guy says, you can't do that. You, he followed his age? Hey, go, right, no, no, no. Hey, get back here. You know you can't do that. What do I do? You know you can't do that.

Show me what I did. And he throws it in it. He says, and he holstered the gun. He holstered the gun. I'm going to show him. I believe they're talking. I believe, yeah, the ref will let us know. But then here.

Oh, never mind. No, it's this one, I think, brother. Yeah, you can't. It's all that. That's all because of that. Because, you know, people use to say, we like to party. Watch this. We like, we like to party.

We like to party. I believe that is why that is not a lot, you know, because I think it has something to do with getting energy throughout an evening in a bad way. I want to see that in the rule book then. I want to see that in the, if he gets a fine, I need to see that typed out. C.D. Lamb has done this twice. kind of his thing. He's done it twice this year. They gave him a penalty both times, and then I guess

the reaction on a CD was like, geez. I can't do that for. You guys are really doing this, so he hasn't done. That was like his thing. Oh, yeah. That was like legitimately his thing in this entirety. Tray McBride immediately after this will get into a scuffle, get punched in the face and everything else. Penalty only on him, nobody else. That was quite a scene there, but obviously the reps were trying to get some things out of the game. I did see maybe a couple double barrels

happening in other places they did not call that. I'm like, okay, let the boys have their fun. let the boys have their fun. Whenever forget, whenever they started cracking down on the gun celebration, there was like a D3 college one where the team was down 24 points or something like that.

Old buddy, pass breakup, puts the seatbelt on, strapped him up, then he lifts up his shirt, pulls gun out of pants, shoots guy in back multiple times, puts gun back in pants, puts it down,

ref throws a flagging, what do? Can't do that? That was a great play. That was a great play. What are you talking about? Yeah. Sharma right in the back of his head, too.

Dylan Stewart over Jackson Dart last year. Bo, blah, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, yeah. Everybody in football is like, all right. Yeah, that's too much. We get it. We get what you're trying to do. Let's, let's move along here. Pittsburgh Steelers get a huge win here, A.J. Hawk. Obviously, Aaron Rogers, wrist is a big topic of conversation.

Mount Washington, Darnel, Washington out of Georgia. six foot seven, 300 and whatever ponds. Tight end who can also operate as a tackle, who can throw you from the Monongahela to the Allegheny and then run you over like the Ohio. That's Mount Washington there.

Now, this guy, I was a big fan of whenever he was at Georgia. Obviously, he was behind Brock Bowers, but we had the opportunity to be on the field for a couple different Georgia games. And whenever this dude walks by, you go, holy shit, what can this guy do? He can catch, he can run, he can block, he can do it all.

Remember whenever they said his knees were bad, though? His knees might be bad. He's 6-7-320, and he's running like this. Yeah, I'm assuming his knees aren't perfect. There's a chance that he's mentally tougher than you, though, and can battle through it. Special talent they got up there in Pittsburgh, and I like the fact that Artie and Aaron love it as just as much as us, it feels like.

Look at Gino Stone. First, I mean, Geno Stone, I guess, could have tried to go low, but right here. I give a little Turner credit for trying to punch that ball out knowing how big of he is and he's just rumbling on the sidelines looking to kill somebody i mean you have no chance gino stone i guess yeah you could probably go low you have to but right here oh oh my god you know that was a bad that would hurt his his genoa you got you got to go low you're at a tree choke and you might take my chance with that guy was he listed what's he

listed like two right there he ain't two nothing is he listed two 70 let's we saw him in training camp he was about to jump him he was he was about to jump him honestly two six, okay. Washington was about to jump the last one. He really was. Yeah, I think. Watch him lift his knee towards the end of this last one,

right, and he's going to go, he was about to jump him. As a big man, you know how many times people try to saw him off at his knee. I'm assuming he's got a good leap. I'm assuming there's a good, a well-time jump over, which would be special to see this large

of a human flying through the sky. But him just getting the rock is awesome. You know, we chitch out about this Pittsburgh Steelers' offense whenever they were doing well, they would have an extra offense alignment in. It wasn't actually, an extra offense alignment just looked like it. It was him. He was being used

as an extra offense alignment. He's a road grader this guy. So not only does he have the capability of doing this, and not only is he unguardable because he's 6'7 and this big, it's like he's a massive piece of protection for Aaron and for them running the ball. The Pittsburgh Steelers prove anything to us yesterday, AJ Hawk?

Did they prove anything to you? And ultimately, we'll ask tone if they proved anything to the Pittsburgh fan base. Yeah, I mean, I think it's having Mason Rudolph there, that he is that is a big benefit to, I mean, I know I think Tone has definitely questioned over the years why they have kept this guy around. Well, this is why, because he can step in

and help you win a football game. Now, I don't know how bad Aaron's wrist is. Luckily, it's his left wrist. And I don't know how bad that would have to be to keep you out for multiple weeks if it's your off, you know, you're non-throwing hand. I'm not sure how it works. But yeah, Mason Rudolph, this dealers, I think they definitely have a chance. Yeah, and Aaron, we know this. Not a lot of people think this about Aaron. And by a lot of people, I know the people that just aren't

fans of his like he does view himself as old school tough quarterback like that is how he views himself that is how he likes to operate i think he's proven that there was a game in london where he got scorpion like baker mayfield kind of scorpion himself yesterday but like he got scorpion and then like i think there was a turnover the next play he goes back on the field like and barely walk has no idea where somebody is already four-time MVP already everything like that like Aaron takes a lot of pride in being a tough guy, even though people don't really give him credit in that. So to AJ's point right there,

and that's AJ who's either talk directly to Aaron and shit talk to him or not. He said, it is non-throwing arm. If you're going to miss multiple games, I don't think so. That's AJ talking shit to Aaron through our show right now, but Aaron also is feeling the exact same way. Yeah, I mean, there was the Bears game to start the season probably like six years ago,

or he like hurt his knee bad, and, you know, a lot of people were saying, like, hey, this could be like a several-week deal, but it was the opening night. It was Sunday night football. So he got all shot up, came out and basically played the second half on one leg and just stuff like that, really outside of the few times where he broke his collarbone with the Packers. Like, he was dinged up a decent amount. But, yeah, I mean, if he can go, he's going. He's not missing games. Yeah, last year in Green Bay. And he breaks his throwing thumb. Yes, and he was still playing through a broken thumb. And that's like a situation where,

hey, your play is going to look so bad that people are going to start saying that you've lost it and everything. So if this is in his left hand, it's almost like, hey, I play for Pittsburgh, so I've got to show these Pittsburgh people how tough I am, not just say how tough I am. And I feel like this is a great time for him to show that. He wanted

to go back out. Yeah. Which is hilarious. No way, dude. What are you talking? We don't even really know. Yeah, I'll go back out there. Just because that's ingrained in who he is. Is it a different generation here now? Yeah. Hey, one of the last of a dying breed here. in the NFL and he'll go out on his shield he will he will go out on his

important though that left that left wrist ball security especially brace yourself and you're falling like put a club on it what he puts a club on it he somehow finds a way to handle the ball once again once again this is him talking shit with just his little thingy sticking out of the club though just a couple fingies out so he has to and put a glove tape the glove on here so that there is some sticky on it you know and just absolutely do it but there's so many pieces of life as a quarterback that is your offhand and ball handling is like a

massive part of his game too he'll figure it out age tell him tape it up right pull thallel on it I think he will yeah rub some dirt on it tape a few Tylenol or Advil to your skin yeah good luck we're we're pulling for you now let's talk about the midnight mode being able to exist

more than just one day Rams Seahawks NFC West Thriller we are all pumped up about what this game could be Sam Darnold, MVP-like season. Matthew Stafford, MVP-like season. Seahawks, way ahead of schedule. Rams, how are you guys still this good with everything that you've done?

Two different storylines coming into the game, and what we found out was Midnight Mone lives on. Devante Adams still unguardedable down on the goal line. One team has the tush push. A lot of hanky-panky with the tush push. It's quite a bit. They're playing a little handsy darn. They're in a neutral zone playing handsy after.

I mean, there was that going on. Push-push-push obviously does what it does. But Devante Adams down there is just as effective as the tush-push. Because they have Pooka and Akua, and because they have 14 tight ends, it seems like, and because they have multiple backs that are incredible, tyrants unbelievable seemingly. Because of all the weapons they have, Devante, they have to go one-on-one with him. They have to go one-on-one with them. No help.

So it's just Devante one-on-one with a corner down the goal line. That's a guarantee. This is just like when Grankowski was with the New England Patriots. They would flank out Rob Gronkowski if it was one-on-one. Who cares what this play call was. Go ahead, Gronky, do what you got to do. And then Gronk would just cook and he was wide open. Same thing for Devante.

Devante just one of these, I'm going that way. Boom. One of those, I'm going this way. And then if you're good, DB could be great. This is your second or third DB. He could be a great athlete and he gets them both. Devante will somehow no hands hit you with one of those. And then he's gone.

Houdini. He's out of nowhere. and that's a touchdown. And Matthew Stafford's not missing. Like he's not going to miss one of these opportunities. He's phenomenal, they're phenomenal, and their punter might have had the best play of the entire damn game.

Ethan Evans, we've seen this guy's squad, I think, like 600 pounds and shit all over his Instagram. And when he needed it, fourth quarter, up two, need a long field for Sam Darnold. He's thrown four picks, but he could get hot. Picture, perfect, end-over-end coffin corner. So he literally did both here.

He did the new school and the old school, less than two minutes in the fourth quarter. Ethan Evans, let's fucking go, buddy. That's huge for the brand. 42 is still an interesting number, but given them at least 60 yards, 50, 60 yards, Jason Myers ends up missing a 61-yard field goal, ends up pushing it right, and it may be even a little bit short. But if that's even at the 5 or the 10, which is be considered a good kick, a good pooch kick, that's a whole different ball game, huge, huge out of Ethan Evans.

in Los Angeles Rams. And we talk about offense being able to go. We talk about defense being able to go. And clearly special teams able to go too, DeBudge. Yeah, with how cagey this match was, this was huge. Rarely do you say like a game-winning punt, but this was as close as it'll get. Obviously, the defense has to go out there

and get some stops and do their job as well. But this is huge. When you're setting your defense up and setting that opposing offense up where they have to go the length of the field, that's a big time play. I mean, unbelievable execution. I thought that was one of the best plays

of the day yesterday. I like the way we're talking about it. I like the way we're talking about these punts. We like big old puns that we can online. Ain't that right, AJ? We do. I think maybe some casuals are seeing how important special team play is, especially like down the stretch when games truly matter.

Like, this is a game defining play right here. Like, you're going to point to this as one of the reasons they want. Yeah, and Sean McVeigh is going to give him a game ball. Oh, yeah. He certainly earned it. What are the rules right there for the punt return? I know that's Rashid Shaheed. He's been there a couple weeks now, but once it, like putting the hills on a

certain yard line and letting it go like what was they being taught back to the beginning there was the line of scrimmage line of scrimmage is the 49 so he was at about like the eight I would say seven or eight used to be the 10 but now because guys are getting better and better at it all you seven or eight yard line if it's in front of you we catch it if it's behind you you try to distract or block and then if it goes out of bounds at the one you just kind of look at everybody say wow it was pretty damn good ball yeah that was pretty damn good ball right there so yeah my goal every time we were down in that area there I was trying to hit it to like the eight yard line, seven yard line, guaranteed fair catch, basically, because that's where

they're standing there. And if you hit it a little bit further, you might have a chance to be able to steal one inside to five, a little bit shorter, probably fair catch at the 10, which is considered a success. There's some guys, though, that go for it. Like, there's guys that go for it on a regular basis. I think Ethan was going for this because he hit it very far, so I appreciate him doing that. Now, granted, if that's a touchback, that comes out to the 20, it's a whole ballroom. So it's like kind of a give and take. There's risk assessment happening at basically all times whenever you're going out there. Okay, do I need to hit this thing 37-yard? Do I need to maybe go for this?

Maybe hit his 39 yards. I hit this 39 yards. There's a chance we get a good bounce. Ooh, also a chance we get a shite bounce. You know, because that thing, obviously, you're trying to get a better luck for the bounce so you can hit a slow back spinner. So you hope that thing will check up.

But there's a chance that hits the point and shoots straight in the end zone. So it's not like 100% or that that thing's going to check up perfectly. So shout to Ethan. Shout to the Rams. And shout to their fans that bought those jerseys. Could never wear it again. you know if you lose right now you can rocket as a punter do you know right away when it's coming

off your foot like okay this one this has a chance or is he waiting kind of waiting to see where it lands like can you see the rotation on the ball like okay if this lands you know not in the end zone this thing is going to check up if it has a slower rotation better chance it's not going to go into the okay slower rotation though harder to control how far it goes so if you see that thing spinning pretty slow or if it starts turn a little sideways that thing turns sideways in the air it's like oh okay now we got a chance for the sideways bouncing that whole thing once again though there's a there's everything kind of is a give and take harder control distance whenever you have a slower rotation or side spin now are you trying with the slower rotation is that less leg speed or is that

no it drop the ball yeah dropped the ball can you drop it to try to make it bounce sideways out of bounds like you ever drop it like that yeah so there's a banana ball that guys are Duke beautiful baby Duke this is nice baby Duke here so you know the Aussies brought this one into here you know kind of end-over-end punt and you could swing harder and it won't go as far and it was seemingly like a kickoff go higher fair catch machine or if it hits the ground you get a chance for this thing to kick up now because it's spinning backwards like this you see there's always a chance that that thing hits and boom it's an oblong ball you can't control this thing perfectly but the slower it goes You see, the longer it is where on its flatter sides, you see?

So then there's a chance that it catches up for you. The issue with that is to hit it a little bit slower. You got to tilt that thing like that, which shrinks the size of a sweet spot. So now you're potentially hitting a shit ball. So whenever you get both, you're in a good spot. The banana ball now, this is something that the Aussies do that I'm very, very impressed with. I think they do it since their births, you know, I think you do as a child. So there's sometimes where you're getting a kick to kind of potentially pull it through the big post there to get a thing.

and you got to turn that song bitch sideways. So they have this like banana ball that they start hitting. That kind of turns it sideways and their ball is bigger, bigger sweet spot. So then Johnny Hecker, I think, started doing it back in the day because he was real town.

And then for me, I potentially hit that thing seven yards. Yeah. Okay. But if I hit it far enough, that thing was coming down. It was spinning and it was coming down like in a kind of like an Australian.

Boomering. Oh, okay. That thing's coming down, tough to catch. And then when it hits the ground, it's going sideways. So, you know, the banana ball really changed the game. I think guys have much more control with it. But this bad boy right here is what everybody went to, as opposed to coffin cornering everything, because you've got guys running four threes off the edge now.

So you've got a lot of guys coming off the edge that are like 4-4, 4-5, and they're all like 6-2, 6-3. So they understand that if they block a punt, going to win the game probably. So they started really taking that a lot more serious. So the coffin corner guys used to just like take the snap and then they would just like walk they would have nothing there would be like no pressure basically and they would walk that thing sideways and they would hit it out of balance this is really good it's like nowadays they're

short corner they are they are trying to get you right there so this one just became a quick let's go ahead and pull it in the middle and let's kind of handle it there's also punt blocks that basically they're telling everybody that they're preparing for the fake so if they keep the starting defense on the field

and they go punt safe and everybody on there is screaming it. Their sideline and everybody on the field is saying, safe, safe, safe, safe, safe. They're telling the other team, hey, you guys are going to have to punt this. MCDC says, I don't care.

Fuck that, man. I'm running, man. I'm running it. Did you see what happened? I did not. Oh, man. They run, snapped at a P.P. The starting defense for the Philadelphia Eagles is on the field. It was very evident that literally everybody in Philly was like, safe, safe, safe, safe. Telling the Detroit Lions, hey,

But you're not right. Look at how many guys that got in the box right there. They're literally just, that is literally punt safe. I think it's called everywhere, right? Yeah, punt safe.

Oh, yeah. And the only thing punt safe is, AJ, I guess you'd be able to talk to this as well, is just make sure the punt gets off, right? That's basically the only thing. Edge rushers force a punt, force them to get rid of that thing.

Everybody else fake. Everybody else waiting for fake, basically. You sub the free safety out for a punt returner so they can feel the punt, but everything else is just, hey, we got one, you got two. It's just regular defense.

And literally everybody on the field is saying it. Like, I know punter, I know when punt safe is happening on the other side. It's like, okay, this is great news. Okay, we just come out here. They're not going to, we can't fake anything, but also probably not a lot of heat here. And our guys aren't going to be able to get

down as fast because of the holdup that is about to take place. So I can kind of take my sweet-ass time here and hit a good ball, let our gunners kind of do our thing because guess what the corners aren't doing? They're not getting a holding call. They're not getting anything like that they're actually probably letting the guys go. Yeah, a lot of the time you look at that clip,

you see the corners, they're backed off because once again, you're trying to play that fake, so we want to kind of see everything. You don't want your back to the ball and just throw a fade ball. So the corners are like off down at the bottom, press up top. Don't let a fake happen.

That is all we are out here for it. That is literally this entire thing. So I was kind of confused by that. They're coming after MCDC today. Yeah, I mean, they were trying everything. It was a tough day on fourth down for the Lions. Okay. 0 for 5 on trying to convert, over 60 if you count the fake punt.

They had to try it all because I'll tell you what, this Eagles defense is absolutely incredible. The best defense I've seen the Lions play under the MCDC era. Okay, so you play the best defense that you've seen and you put your special tamers in there and try to get a yard.

Golf couldn't get it, though. Get cough the hell out of here. This guy's got two gloves on. It's cold. Can't play. Whatever you see that. Oh. It's not, yeah, I don't love this. Unless that's your normal gimmies. That's your teddy two gloves or somebody.

Kurt Warner got into it. Rothesberger got into it. He's always done it in cold games for what it's worth. Don't love it. Peyton got into it late in his season. He had a big leather ones. He could have to feel his hand in a real different. A nerve damage got to get into it.

Yeah. There's a lot of reasons. But anyways, what we're saying is a lot of decisions out of the lines that I think we all go. That's kind of the head scratcher. But in the end, if they don't get screwed over with a passenger. That's right. Thank you. Let's win the game.

Defense gave him a chance. Lions had a shit. Your offense or your team goes for six times or fourth day and you don't get it. You still hold a team any team to, what, 16 points? Like, that's an oppressive outity for a defense. He can't do this. Bullshit. You can't do it.

Can't do it. Now, which part do you think they called it on just so I can get mad at the rights? Grabbing that left hand. Grab the left hand. That's what they called on. Didn't you at the very end? At the end? Watch.

I don't think this. I think it's a terrible call, but I think right there they call it because he's holding that left wrist. Look at it. He's got eyes on it, too. That guy's got eyes on. All right. Let's not judge these refs on a few bad calls that they certainly made this weekend and we need to not see anymore.

Especially on third down, less than two minutes left in a game. Huge game, primetime game. You're not the show. We're here to watch the show. Get the hell out of the way. On NO, we appreciate your service to ball. AJ didn't clap. AJ hates reps.

I didn't see AJ Brown even crying for the call or shirre pleading for the call. You know that's the situation. When that's the case, you know it's probably a rough call. Well, ladies and gentlemen, let's pivot away from. the NFL, and the refs trying their best, needs you to be better in big moments, but trying their absolute best. Let's pivot to college football. And the award that

kind of puts you in the folklore of history, the Heisman. And who would have thought that there's a man playing quarterback for the Indiana Hoosier football team? Hell yeah. That is currently the frontrunner. Fresh off a game in which he was 22

of 24 for 299 yards and four touchdowns. Pretty efficient. Well, it's not just that game. to every game go back last week maybe the catch of the year maybe the drive of the year and that's not the only one there's four fourth quarter comebacks to win the game led by this man ladies and gentlemen it's not just fernando mendoza it's potentially heismendoza how you doing brother what's up guys hey what's going on how are you brother life good is this what you imagined it was going to be whenever you

you decided to transfer from Cal to Kurt Signetti's Indiana Hoosier team. Is this what you all envisioned together? Because watching you has been very special this season, brother. Thank you so much, first of all. Thank you guys so much for having me on the show. Yeah, I would say it's been a whirlwind. It's been crazy, and I can't thank Hoosier Nation enough for welcoming me in. Mr. McAfee, I know your wife, Mrs. McAfee's a Hoosier show.

Shout out to her. Hoosier Nation has been incredible to me. Coach McNetty's been incredible to me, and it's just been a journey. Like you said, we've had a ton of fourth quarter comebacks this year but I mean it's only been because we have such great guys in the locker room and it's been an amazing journey so far okay so whenever you're getting pitched and sold to come to different schools I assume you know because this is the way college football is especially with an incredibly talented quarterback like yourself with the special year you guys had at cow what did signetti

sell you on because his idea I think of winning is like hey I want to find the guys that maybe still have a lot of room to grow he wants to coach up he wants accountability was that something that drew you to Indiana or what specifically was the reason for why you picked the Hoosiers. We're all very thankful, including my bride, obviously. Yeah, I would say you hit the nail right on the head. Indiana and Coach Cignetti really sold me on becoming the best Fernando Mendoza possible. And also, while having my little brother here, Alberta Mendoza,

I was able to get the good, the bad, the ugly situation. The transport nowadays, it's like speed dating. And there's a couple other blue buds in the mix. But with the way I saw Alberta develop, and Coach Cignetti really saw me on, hey, I don't know exactly, I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know what's going to happen with this season, but I promise you, if you come to my school, instead of the other schools, you're going to be the best Fernando Mendoza quarterback that you can become. And at that point, I was sold. I'm like, let's go. Ready to be a Hoosier. Hell yeah. We love that. Good sell, Sieg. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Fernando, you obviously seem to be so, like, very mature and squared away, as they say, and have, like, the right things on your radar. Is there any, like, players around the country in college or NFL quarterbacks that you might lean on that you talk to or they even try to model your game after?

Yeah, there's a ton of quarterbacks across, I mean, past, present, and even in the future in college, I look and watch their film. Past, I would say, Tom Brady, that's my guy. I grew up watching him. He's my football idol. My parents are my character model and idol, but Tom Brady, that's my football idol. Funny enough, I was actually able to talk to Daniel Jones, my fellow Indiana quarterback this past week. And actually, the Wisconsin game, I got a little bit of a black guy here. Nothing compared, because I was trying to be like him and get the bloody mouth and stuff. but wasn't able to. But I was able to talk to him, and I've been able to talk some great people throughout this crazy season.

So I mean, it should really been thankful for it all. Yeah, I think a lot of people probably want to talk to you, but let's go back to the throw with Omar Cooper Jr. Well, the catch and that entire drive. You guys get sacked on the first play of that drive. Must have. Got to have it. As you're throwing, obviously,

through the entirety of the drive, you're dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. And then the throw to Omar Cooper Jr. here, what is your thoughts you're throwing this to the crossbar only where your guy can get it what is going through your mind before you let this one go and after you see the replay what do you say immediately to mr omar cooper junior i mean catch of the year that guy literally saved us a game what a fantastic catch what a fantastic play for sure the best catch this season and when we first stepped on the field you hear mo bomba rocking it feels i mean you feel the stadium pulse everyone says beaver stadium's loud and we really felt it on the field and overcoming to sack on the first play, everybody bouncing back, great resilience throughout the drive, great protection by the O line, great catches by all the receivers, tight ends, and then we have the catch of the year at the end. I know Omar, you know, he played basketball. He's from Indiana, so has that basketball background. I just try to put it up there so he can either

get like an alley of dunk or a rebound, and he did it. At first, I thought, because usually you see the back foot always go down first, and then, then the foot closer, but he, like, somehow levitated his foot that had like this imaginary cushion, which I still believe is God, all the glory to God. And then his other foot tap, like not even on the white, but like tap the little grass. And then we have our office of captain, Pat Coogan after, because everyone's going crazy, just pointing at the spot and telling the ref, he's in, he's in. I mean, I thought we got to go back out for fourth down.

But once I saw the replay and Coach Signetti wail his arms in the hair, I was like, let's go. Yeah, yes, yeah, don't sue me. Don't sue me yesterday. No, you're good, you're good. You're good, you're good, men, those. Believe me, we've already got a few of those. I will say amen to you about the act of God,

because it does feel like something special was taking place up there. And the Penn State people, Mo Bamba, they're thinking, oh, life's already ass enough. No, you got catch of the year at the end of this. This guy's defying actual reality and physics. It was special, and your team has been special. This Indiana run has been special. But you guys have been banged up, like a lot of different teams.

Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Fernando, Elijah Serrat, you're all Big Ten. receiver he's been out the last few but you've had someone emerged Charlie Becker he had seven catches for 157 yards the whole season until the last two games he's had 12 for 226

back to back one hundred yard game so how big is that going to be when you have Surat Cooper and now Becker for the playoff run that you're getting another weapon in the offense as a quarterback it's such a luxury to play with such great receivers Elijah they call him Waffle House the man

Omar Cooper we just saw catch of the year E.J. Williams Liam's fantastic receiver and now Charlie Becker. Charlie's actually funny enough. He's actually my roommate and he's up my Alberto's a nice roommate and it's great to see him out there making catches. He had a great catch. They actually got a little superseded by Omar's catch the catch before. He had a great fade ball, a little back shoulder high point catch in Penn State. And I just think it speaks to the culture that we have here in Indiana. It's always the next man up mentality. It's always supporting each other. Elijah's the main guy on the sideline coaching our other receivers up, motivating them, along with everybody else that's

up. So I would say it's a really strong culture we got here. And not only are we winning, and it's great all that we're 11 and 0, but it's even better than doing the great people and great teammates. Yeah, it feels like you guys are doing it all right down there. And we appreciate the hell out of the way Signetti operates. And obviously, buy-in can come in many different forms. SIG's not scared to run his mouth a little bit. Go ahead, Con, man.

Yeah, Ferdano, it's an honor to talk to you a month before you win the Hizman. But when it comes to the week's preparation after a game like that, where you go, you know, 22 or 24 without your number one receiver to Tony's points. Like what does Sig say to you to kind of keep you motivated to keep you kind of on edge? Is he talking shit to you? We see him, you know, going into halftime giving interviews. They're hilarious every single time. It's great watching him operate.

But what does he like on the day to day to day to kind of keep you guys all locked in because it is so much, you know, praise from the outside in? Yeah, Coach Dignetti coming from that statement tree, he really uses and coins the term rat poison. He really makes sure to never keep you complacent and always keep you hungry. Coach SIG is always pushing us at practice. If we've had a sloppy practice on the office aside, you'll hear about it. You'll hear about it. And I think he does a great job motivating us.

Not only when we're up, but also when we're down. For example, after the Oregon, during the Oregon game, I threw a pick six to tie the game. And at Oregon, that time, their number three team, the nation, he came up to me and he said, let's have some fun. You're good. And at that point, it really made myself go in the present moment, to a little Zen moment, and we were able to lead the game winning drive and score a touchdown. So Coach Nettie not only has, you know, the hard-ass mentality that he's always going to keep

us hungry and keep his way from the rat poison, but he also knows it when to motivate us, for example, like Wisconsin at halftime. Yeah, before, what was that, two weeks ago, Penn State, do you have any concerns? No, it's game day. Do you have any other questions? What are we talking about here? Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. To come into his own and to come into national prominence this late in his

coaching career, almost feels like it's perfect time for it. He's already been callous. He's already had to win a bunch of different ways. And whenever he sells somebody, it's obviously believable. Now, let's talk about you, the player. Go ahead, DeBud. Yeah, I play with some very different quarterbacks throughout my career. Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck. They all have very different pre-game routines and different leadership styles. Do you have any quirky things or anything you have to do specifically to get ready for a game? And what would you say is like your leadership style as a quarterback. Yeah, that's a great question. I would say on game day, I always make sure to pray my, not, I always make sure to do my daily meditation,

10 minutes, to zone in, and I always make sure to watch daily masks on the day of the game. And leadership style, I mean, we have so many great leaders in the team across the team. So when I first got here in Bloomington, I'm not only able to learn from great leadership from coaches like Coach Dignette, Coach Shannon, and Coach Whitmer. I'm also able to learn from great, from a great team last year. We have All-American Linebacker, Aidan Fish, I can go on and on about all these different guys and great leaders they are. So I'm able to pick and choose and to see, you know, what attributes can I take and help elevate the leadership on our team,

which already has a fantastic culture that I could help us, you know, take us for that next, next level. And I would say a couple other things that are, you know, quirky. I think it's really good about being one of the guys. You know, we try to go out to dinner every single week on Thursdays. We always do team Bible study. And so having really that commodity with the guys instead of just, you know, just being teammates.

it's different because we really are brothers. And so whenever, let's say if I set Becker up on a pass, he gets blown up. It's not like, man, I should have not thrown that. I got him blown up. It's like, that's my boy. That's my dog. Like, I don't want to get him blown up

because that's my brother. So I think the camaraderie that we have within the locker room and the leadership, not from just the quarterback front, but from all fronts is overwhelming and has really helped his team this season. And the name of the Padre, it's filet, it's spirit,

something. That's what I think I just heard there are the Mendoza guy. Let's talk about you, the human, a little bit here. I've learned through your story about your mom having MS and how you're raising money to combat against MS. Obviously, you and your brother are the first pair of brothers to throw a touchdown in the same game. I think a second pair in like 10 years or something like that to accomplish that feat. But you two and your mom very, very close.

Obviously, you've had to learn about MS through her battle. Now you're raising money for others. Can you talk about that a little bit here? and we appreciate you spreading the news and spreading awareness about this. Yeah, so my mom is my light, my inspiration. When I had no offers coming out of high school, she was, hey, stay, keep on praying,

it's going to come. And everything that she's basically told me that's going to come to light, as always. She's my inspiration and my positive hope to see her fight multiple sclerosis. Whenever, you know, she's fighting and having a hard day, it gives myself no excuse if I have a bad practice, if I have a bad lift,

to not study and watch more film because she is my why, and I do it for her. And just to have the opportunity and platform to raise more awareness for her in order to partner with the National M.S Society in order to raise awareness and to give money to people

who can't afford the treatments, the most grosser treatments because there's no cure at this point. It's truly special. It really kind of gives myself a bigger view of why I'm playing football. Keep doing it, brother. You're a good one here.

Right now you can buy the burger down there Buffaloes in Bloomington and all proceeds will go to the MS Society. last year at Cal raised $11,000 through that. Plus, there's a donation site where we can all chime in. We definitely will do that to support your cause. Good luck on the Heisman run. You've certainly warranted the case from our angle.

You're the man. Thank you for what you're doing for our state, brother. Thank you guys so much. God bless, go Hoosiers. Thank you for having me on the program. Appreciate it. You're the man. I heard the program there.

He dropped it well. Fernando. Hey, Fernando. Tell your brother, we said what's up as well. All right, as we wrap up here on ESPN and continue digitally, I can't help but say that kid's a good one man draft that guy now that kid's a good one

let's go through some stats real quick three fourth quarter game winning drives on the road this year he leads the FBS in passing touchdowns and touchdowns responsible for and points responsible for he's the only FBS quarterback with 30 touchdown passes this season and obviously

him and his brother were the first ones to throw a TD pass in the same game since Arkansas in 2015 this guy special special special only quarterback in the last 20 years to have three games a 90% completion percentage with four touchdown passes. Fernando Mendoza ball. We continue on the other side.

See you tomorrow. Got it in. Yep. He did. I knew one of these stats was the best one, and I didn't get it for the first three ones. There was only four on there. It's like that one. At least 20 seasons.

He's the only quarterback. Three games of 90% completion percentage and four touchdown passes. So 90% completion, it's not just like 10 balls that we're doing. No, it's like 90% completion and we got four touchdowns out there. It's on my shoulders, basically. He's special, that team special. And, boy, it feels like Signetti can eyeball talent. It feels like he knows exactly what you need.

That's a huge part of the entire process. Everybody's talking about the transfer portal, NIL, you can flip your team. It's like if you get the right guys, it feels like Sig has an eye for the right guy. Yeah, you got to evaluate talent. And on this level, everybody's going to have great talent, but it's about getting the right guys. And him saying and remembering what Sig said to him, and you know as a kid, especially in this, environment. You're talking to so many different coaches and so many different times. You can kind of

pick up when people are bullshitting you. So with him saying like, hey, you're going to come here and you're going to be the best version of yourself. I don't have a crystal ball. I can't tell you're going to be a starting. We're going to do this and the third, but you're going to be the best version of yourself as a quarterback. And obviously we see it, you know, coming to fruition right in front our eyes. Yeah, I appreciate

that SIG's doing that for our state. It is cool. It's so awesome. It is very cool. And, you know, the basketball team is going to be good again, too, with DeVries. But I'll say, DeVries, left a school that might be the next powerhouse. Who's that? Drake? West Virginia University. He was

there for a year. Oh, yeah. You remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, it was a good year. It wasn't a year? He set the foundation, didn't he? Remember the North Carolina guy screwing West Virginia? That's how I remember. Yeah, Bubba, the athletic director. It's like a stepping stone to get to. No, see, that's... Whoa. Congratulations, coach.

I want to let you know that new coach there, Mr. Ross Hodge. Ross Hodge. He is... Good ball coach. Yeah, Ross Hodge. I can't wait to see where he ends up. Ross Hodge, yep, just because the same amount of letters as Neil Bryant. Where he's going to end up? Yeah, hopefully big east or something. No.

Good program. He is where he ends up. He's at West Virginia. I'll have you know, West Virginia, smack an ass all over the places, beating the hell out of people. Really? Beating hell out of people all over town.

West Virginia basketball dominant, bopping wood. We're out there doing it. And yesterday, just landed the biggest recruit in the history of West Virginia. What? Wow. Seven star, they said. This guy.

Miles. Sadler, number 23-ranked player in the sports center next top 100. It's the best recruit we've ever got in our lives in the history of West Virginia. Oh, is he from West Virginia? Modern era, I guess. No, he's not from West Virginia. Did you guys get a top five

last year? Then a guy left. Oh, and then he didn't end up going to be. The guy left. This guy says, I want to be a part of the next generation, the next era. And by the way, that era is starting right now. The boys who I don't know yet, carry on the team. They gave a,

They were asked at the press conference, like, hey, what did you want to do? Why did you want to win this game or whatever? They said, because they had pit on their jerseys. It's like, boys. Yeah, I like that. Boys is awesome. I like what we're doing right now.

And then I guess we are hell. I mean, we are the Cleveland Brown's defense in Cleveland. I guess that is our team. And then we fill it up as well. We beat the shit out of pit. I mean, just beat the hell out of pit. I think our Western Union basketball team, national champs, don't look now.

And then also, no, I'm not going to give it away. No, no, go ahead. Nope. Now it's not the time. I would say, just as, I'm not even playing devil's advocate just proceed with caution a lot of things going out there about Pitt

this weekend having maybe one of like the worst weekends in the history of Pitt believe the basketball team got beat by a D3 powerhouse as well. The women's did. That was the women's but either way that's not good. That's not good. Yeah, shout out the Scranton. But West Virginia Scrant's a damn good ball. They are. They are. Obviously

West Virginia women's, you know, massive melee. They had like seven girls get ejected. They only had five girls. Beat Duke! Exactly. Massive upset. the men's WVU basketball team what do you want the women's WVU basketball team

actually what do you want Yeah bingo I actually throwing five ejected Only have five players left Wow Whole second half We're losing when they started with five This is against Duke

Not a bad team End up winning the game Maybe the most impressive feat That has happened in college sports In some time That's the West Virginia women's team The West Virginia men's team Bopping Wood all over the place

they're going to be a tough out football team back should have beat Arizona State Rich Rod's pissed once we lose the Arizona State can't get a yard seven eight different times if you can't get a fucking yard

he said that to the press conference obviously to the media and they asked a couple different times what the problem was and he just basically every single time said this is what our problem is I couldn't even imagine what that team meeting was like imagine if you're an assistant coach too Pat Sorry. Imagine existing. He mentioned coaching multiple times.

Well, that's him saying. Yeah, that's him. I guess it's on me. That's on me. That's on me. And I hired you. So that's on all of us. That's on you too. Yeah. Waste the laundry and detergent. Yeah, I thought you were going to be tough. That's what I thought. And then in there, you know, him just doing this. This being the yardage needed, the amount needed, just at him. Hey, yep, there is. It's not having to the yard. He did this. I looked like it's a good seven eight inches. Yeah. If I had to guess. Six, seven, and this entire thing.

But him doing this right now, that is setting the tone for the entire week. Remember those hills we ran where you guys are puking all over yourselves? I had to get somebody in IV to the hospital. Remember those workouts we were doing? It all came down to it. This is why, okay, because of this. Now he has reason. That's a big 12 champs, Arizona State.

Yeah. That's big, not that they're having Big 12 championship. They were in a playoffs last year, though. In our team, full rebuild, freshman quarterback, full new, locker room. We should have beat him. That's Rich Rod's entire press conference was they beat us. Congrats to them and Dillingham and everything like that. But he thinks we should have won that. He thinks

we are arriving at the point of where we're trying to be as a program. And then this offseason, he's going to hit the transfer portal. He's going to be able to get guys that can buy into what it is, knows what they have, what they don't have. It feels like we're in a really good spot. So football doing great. Hoops doing great. I think our soccer team's both of them are in there.

Rifle, obviously. Baseball. A little work. Rifle, obviously, national champs. We sell out stadium. I think we do good in the Big 12. Yeah, I went to the Super Regionals, yeah. So now the worry is Ren Baker, the athletic director, you know, and don't say it. You said stepping, don't do what he did. Well, he's in North Texas guy and he hired a North Texas basketball coach.

Are they going to go somewhere together? Is that what Darius is saying? Whoa. There's great athletic directors available out there for the jobs that need athletic directors. Ren Baker is just fine. Down in the country. High profile one. Probably going to be coming up here pretty soon.

A.D.? West Virginia is already, it's already taken. Baylor. Western Day is already taken He's not going somewhere else in the Big 12th W is better Thank you The Baylor?

Yeah It's private school Who's going to pay it more? Hey listen Let's not worry about any of that Let's just Let's just talk about what it is And where we're at

Different down there in Texas You guys are a good spot I agree, good spot Thank you Highs recruit in history of basketball Just yesterday Yeah, it's a whole long There's no way he's hired

It's not cool He's committed He's committed That's good He'll stay Biggest recruit Biggest recruit in the history of basketball just yesterday What will tomorrow bring?

Who knows? Football I just got this in my hand, AJ and I just immediately wanted to go, hey! That's AJ Hawk. We'll obviously have BAs, incredible cadence tomorrow. The toxic tables here at Boss of Connor and at Tyne Schmidt. One half of the Hammer

Cowboys, AP, Tone. Steelers can win a Super Bowl? Yeah. Is that Overreaction Monday, or is that how Tone feels? Kind of how Tone feels. And it is. Overaction Monday as well. But no, the defense feels like it's getting better each week.

And the offense? They're fine, especially with Mace under center. Especially. Well, we don't know if that's the case because Aaron Rogers is going to want to fight through this to play, I think. Yeah, but it's not his decision. It's Mason's decision Sounds like

You're thinking Mason's walking in there And telling the doctors What's good? Well, Aaron wanted to come back in yesterday But Mason's out there Just slinging it all over the yard So

What did Mason do yesterday? I believe he's 12 of 16 For almost 200 yards Half so I don't know Aaron Rogers If he can play You have Aaron Rogers

A quarterback for Yes you do But in all honesty The last few games he's been getting it feels like the rush is getting to him a bit like even when it's not there it feels like he thinks it's there

and Mace hasn't been getting hit all years what are you saying I'm just talking about the game of football and what I'm seeing with these eyes okay is this all of Pittsburgh you're speaking for or is this just yourself? I don't know to be honest I haven't called back home today to see I haven't called back home to see how the Jensers

feel about it all certainly pumped up about a win seed against Joe Flacco certainly pumped up about something happening great there in Pittsburgh over a great weekend of celebrating Pittsburgh. That was crazy at the University of Pittsburgh. Pitt had like its worst sporting weekend it's had on the weekend where everything was being celebrated about the city of Pittsburgh.

That's kind of crazy. That's unfortunate. Good nerd, empty. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Great Scranton women's basketball team. Yep.

Great WVU men's basketball team. The women's volleyball team that they played against, very good. well but on that note jeremiah love is just different you know he is literally just different i think we're going to be talking to him on this particular program at some point i enjoy his personality i enjoy who he is i like how he just seemingly is very transparent and authentic and very good what was happening at the beginning of the season yeah incredible movie like spin move i happy i'm happy that they put that in slow motion he wasn't getting the ball at the beginning of the season is that

what was happening do we remember against miami for sure uh i can't remember the carries or whatever but there's a lot of the questions about it, but they have found their role with him for now. Yeah, wasn't the role already found out last year? This is what this is. Now, granted, they got Price, too, I think, who's also a great running back, and I assume there's a lot of conversation about him potentially maybe playing somewhere else, so maybe you have to, like, kind of figure that whole thing out. But it's like, this dude's a real deal.

And he's, you know, they talk about Jonathan Taylor and the MVP odds and everything like that. It's like, Jeremiah, I love conversation for the husband should certainly at least peak a little bit of interest at some point. Yeah, I felt like early on it was the big time. like, hey, the CJ Cargid doesn't know how to play quarterback if we just put eight guys in the box and try and stop Jeremiah Love will beat the Irish and then CJ Carr after those two losses got very,

very, very hot and he is very good and everyone knows it now. And now that's opened up the middle, the middle, just a little bit, just enough for him. I was a big time. Yeah, right. Notre Dame makes the playoffs guy, beginning a season. Then he watched Texas A&M kind of do

with Texas A, what a game. What a game. What a game. Hey, now obviously not good to have any of that on tape if you're Texas A&M, not good at all. That you see that. But the fact that Elko now knows that his boys can come back whenever they're down 27 at halftime. I mean, that's a great little piece of history for your team to lean on during hard times in the future, which are certainly going to come. Did you lose faith in this Texas A&M team? I think we all did, but were you worried about them being completely not what we thought they were whenever they were getting their asses?

beat by South Carolina, AJ? I was a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I almost sent a text in to the group like, oh, something about A&M, nothing like but just saying like, wow, this is going to, how does this change the landscape of college football? And then I just continued to watch the game. I said, oh, these guys are actually going to do this. And it wasn't like, it wasn't one of those comebacks where it's like everything completely fell into place. They had a huge turnover on their own red zone when they

were going in, I know later in the game too. Like, they had to continue to fight till the very end. It wasn't like, it was a very impressive. And I think ultimately this will be great for their football team, the fact that they had to win like this. Debutt, tell me a little bit about the conversation of them playing like ass, how should they be ranked? And then them having such a huge comeback, how should that be ranked and viewed? Because in my eyes, and I don't think I'm the only one that views this way, but I've learned that not everybody views this way. Like the tough, close, hard wins, I think are vital to your team.

But I guess there's some people that are like, why would you have a tough, close game against South Carolina if you're Texas saying it? Bill's character. I've heard some coaches say they like sometimes when they lose in the season. Kind of humble, it's kind of get hitting them off, and you check yourself, you check your ego. But we saw it with Indiana when they had to come back and that play we talked about Omar Cooper like, but this is Callis. And on all these championship seasons or championship runs, we saw it last year at Ohio State. They lost to Michigan, lost earlier in the year to Oregon. You had those things you learn from it. You build from it. Nobody has, I mean, LSU had a really dominant season at Miami Hurricanes team where it was like if they're dealing.

defense only scored. You would still won, you know, 10, 11 games, but you rarely see that on a college or NFL level. So you learn from these moments. I'm sure Mike Elko likes this moment, because now you see how your team is going to respond when they're back against the wall. And now, if you're in this moment,

two, three, four, five weeks from now, and you're sent down a couple scores in the fourth quarter, you know, hey, we got the guys that can get back in it. No panic going forward, you would assume from Texas A&M, not that they had it before. But much like you said there, AJ, I actually did put a tweet out. Is everything all right?

Because I didn't have it on one of the quad boxes, South Carolina, Texas A&M. I apologize. There's a couple other games. I don't know about this one. And then I just see the score. And I think Gumpy goes, whoa. And I go, what? It was like, I think 20 something at the time or whatever.

And then it got even worse. He was like, even worse for Elko. I'm like, what? He goes 30 to 3 at halftime. Wow. Maybe Texas A&M's a bunch of Muppets, you know, starts turning a little bit because that looked bad, bad. Very bad.

Yeah. So then I literally just send out a, hey, is everything all right here? Like, what is everybody sick? Like, what is happening? This is not who you were at all. And then by the end of the game, you got to go ahead and update. Yeah, all's good, I guess, yeah. Largest comeback in Texas A&M history.

Shout to the SEC Network putting this graphic out. But yeah, all is even better than good. It's like now they're super tested. Not that you need to be super tested and that's scared about situations happening. But I think that builds a lot of cows. I think that builds a lot of togetherness as well. coaches and players alike. Yeah, SEC teams were 0 and 286 when down by 27 points.

Now it's 1 in 286. I did see a lot of people say, if it wasn't for that sheriff, telling Nick Harbor, get your fucking ass back on the field after he scored that touchdown. Yeah, but there was a boy at the end of that. I didn't want that. Maybe the loudest bull at the end of that thing.

If I had to guess, just kind of, I wanted to place myself in that tunnel just to see, Me too. Okay, so when old buddy decided, not on my field? Like, what was that first? Downs nobody, portion. Touchdown walks by. Like, is it immediate?

This is my land. Is that the immediate thought? And then when he turns and sees him down the tunnel, I'm protecting this tunnel. He's doing enough on the field. You ain't doing it. And then things to himself, I need to let them know that this ain't how it goes.

Because, you know, obviously they super slow-moded, like they have everything. It clearly extends on it to hit them both. What are you doing? And why do you need to get down that tunnel at that exact time? A lot of people have questions. Let's say you weren't trying to hit them. I had places to go.

They were in my way. Why were they in a tunnel? They're supposed to be on the field. He potentially says it's like, well, why did you intentionally hit them then as opposed to not try and walk around them? It's a tight tunnel. You have no awareness. There's really no defense, you know, for the entirety of it all.

And I do appreciate, like, there's no out. And him walking back and following him. Yeah, I wasn't going anywhere. I was coming to hit you. I thought he was going to draw down on him potentially. you down with 100 grand right now right now at least taser maybe oh there's four of them he realized in the middle of that tunnel once he had made contact with both of them boom he might be outwitted him out bashed outmanned outgun in that entire thing and the guy that he kind of just like very you know

like the guy who actually makes more contact with he's not he's not the problem it's the other guy who kind of just got in his way a little bit like he didn't you see he really you yeah he's one scored touchdown dick harbord yeah six five two 45 yeah you you you you you Yeah, you were in my tunnel. You score a touchdown. He stayed on a field. I do love how swiftly he was relieved of duty. Was it before the game was even over?

Oh, yes, but, that officer has been kicked out easy. He didn't see the comeback. He missed the whole comeback. It's an active Twitter account. They run over there, too, the Texas A&M, police department, whatever. That was one refresh. Saw it? Oh, that looks terrible.

That can't be real. Nope, that's real. Whoa. That feels aggressive for this. time of life and everything that we're in right now. Obviously, everything's on camera, brother. Why would you even... That can't be real, isn't it? Nope, it is real.

Oh, everybody's talking about, yeah, as you should be. Next way. His ass has been fucking fired. All right. Okay. Just so we all saw this the same way, it seems like. Everybody literally was on the same exact page. And I would like to say from my experience down in Texas saying, these people love

ball. These people love ball. No, I don't think this. They should love ball enough where a trooper goes down a tunnel and start a fight with active players who just scored touchdown ball. But Texas A&M, good team, great football town, great football town. That was a crazy scene to see there, though. Georgia beats the hell out of Texas. Yikes.

Just beat the hell out of Texas. Kirby likes his guys, man. Kirby seems to have a good thing going there. I think these players are obviously bought in, but man, I like what George is doing. There was a quote coming out of Kirby talking about how people just want to check, you know, these days. So they're going to want physicality, too. They're going to have to want physicality, because we're going to hit you.

And you'll get a check as well, but you are going to have to hit. This defense was questioned at the beginning of season. They don't get the quarterback. The stats are nowhere near what it used to be. They don't have the same exact type of defense that they used to have, so everybody thinks they're having a down year, which maybe they were for a while.

It seems like they're coming into their own at the right time, which is what you were alluding to. Absolutely. And winning at home, like, they protect this home, Phil. When is the last time they've been beaten? Alabama. That's been, what, how many years? Yeah.

But before that? At home? Yeah, they had a 33 game. Okay, yeah, yeah. So it's going to be tough to beat them at home, especially at this point in the season. And whenever you're questioning a coach like Kirby Smart, like the toughness or like the defense,

like that's when you're going to check that team and you're going to get their best for it. So Texas, they got hitting them off. I know some people are still trying to carry Texas water. Say, whoa, three lost team, get the playoffs. No. No. No, you blew it.

And on the flip side of that, George and the boys, they took care of business. Man, I like this team in how they're playing right now. like Gunner Stockton a lot. He's got a great moxie. Okay, let's pivot away from college ball here very quickly and let's go to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, a man to dawn the midnight mode, okay? A dude who's an absolute dog. A man who will not stop until success happens. Pooking a cause here. Hey, good. What are you, dude? What up, Oos? Hey, thank you for joining us. Big day for those midnight modes. We thought you guys were never going to be able to talk about them

again. If you lost instead, massive win, how do you feel? How does the boys feel how their rams feel right now man it was good just boy the boys got out the sauna this morning i see my dog b y and versed in here the dogs were barking yesterday so it was good to see them boys out moving around this morning but uh i gave my jersey away to coop so i'm like i'm like i i don't know if i'll have the midnight one hung up in a frame but i'll have a cooper cup jersey so i'm not mad about that okay let's talk about you and cooper cup's relationship obviously he was a mentor type guy in the wide receiver room for you now you have become the You have become the guy that defenses think about and fixate on, which obviously opens up a lot for every other weapon that's on that offense, including Devante.

Can you tell me a little bit about your relationship with Devante Adams? And is he stoppable down on the goal line? Feels like that's a fucking layup, an actual layup at this point. No, literally. And I'm like, his celebration, he kind of messed it up because we were supposed to do some like LeBron, like D. Wade, like Al-A-Upe type thing. We had the hoop set up for the celebration and he didn't even dunk it. Like the photos look great. We got our rookie month, being the little basketball hoop holding his arms, and he didn't even duck it.

But it pretty much is unstoppable. Like, we get inside the 10-yard line. It's like, all right, you probably should throw seven people at number 17. Tell me about Stafford a little bit. He is, his, his beard looked phenomenal. The midnight mode feels great. He looks younger than ever. And then tone actually pointed out yesterday, this guy's got massive calves.

I don't think anybody's talked about the size of Matthew Stafford's calves until, Yesterday, he was photographed with these things exposed. And there's vascularity down there. Ain't great girth. We're talking girth and vascularity on those calves, puka. That's why the keeper game works so well. Like, he's got freaking quads on his freaking cab. Look at those things, right?

I'm like, if I had those things, I could run and put my foot in the ground instantly. 20-yard dig routes speed coming. Tell me about Safford, though. He's spinning it, it feels like, is he getting even better other than just his calves? oh my gosh like the calmness and like his ability just to have the precedents to move his arm angles and to understand where the defense is and I mean the thing the thing we say in me is just don't look at my eyes don't look at my eyes so I think it's so funny because it happens every day during the weekend and then when it comes on Sunday it's like it's even better than what we see on Thursday God AJ want to catch Brooke Yeah, Puka. How fun is it to watch your defense? When you guys, after your offense, get a touchdown, you go sit on the bench, get a drink, go over everything. Are you guys watching your defense, because I know as a fan of football watching your defense play, especially the front seven, everybody, all three levels, they are rolling and they, I don't know, they have bad intentions when they get to the ball. I'm sure training camp was fun going against them, but what's it like watching them progress throughout the year? Oh, it has been absolutely I think it was pretty cool

Tay was asking, I mean, knowing that we had a big Divisional game coming up this week, he was like, man, it just feels like this is an emotional game for everybody. I'm like, hey, Tay, like, as long as we do our stuff on our side of the ball, they may be seeing ghosts out there tomorrow on Sunday.

The dogs, the dogs are barking. I'm like, man, that boy versus B. Y, Fis, Kobe. I mean, it was funny because I'm like, I remember watching Kobe Durant's pick. He had the same exact pick against Sam Darnold in the Vikings game last year. Like textbook, field out route, step underneath it. And it was like, it was music to my ears to be able to see them like just, yeah, I call them the dogs.

The dogs are barking. They were going crazy yesterday and hitting on all cylinders. And it was fun because it makes our job a little bit easier even when we don't get in the end zone. It's a young group over there. You know, you think Matthew Stafford's old ass, got drafted with me and Dibut. Debutt has a question for you here in his son. and he's old as shit, but you guys have a young nucleus that is just ready. And I love that the dogs are barking as the mindset for that entire defense.

Go ahead, D. Absolutely. Your dog's barking in Seattle. They got some dog barking as well. This is NFC West as a whole. What's the mindset just going into these games week in and week out? You guys will definitely be callous for the playoffs. But what's the, is it a different mindset?

I know you're trying to win every game. This is a big game for first place in the division. What's the mindset? What's the conversation going into these type of battles? This one, I think, especially just with everything that happened in the off season, getting to see Coop and especially some of the other guys that have just been with the Rams and then going over there. But it was one that I definitely had circle than everybody. I mean, leading up to it, Thursday practice is a little bit more physical. Everybody, the defense is we're not talking to verse and B.Y. on Thursday practice because, like, all, everybody, buckle, buckle up for practice.

But it's fun because when you go out there, you set a message for the rest of the season. They're like, I wait, when we see you again, you know what's up. Hell, yeah. Hey, you still try to run people over, dude. Yeah, you're still trying to do that. Is that going to be for everything, you think? Oh, I'm never stepping out of balance. That's soft.

That's not how football is supposed to be played. Hell, yeah. How old are you? How old are you? 24. Okay. We'll talk to you, too. We'll see how it is.

You're an absolute beast, dude. You're so much fun to watch. Literally, so much fun to watch. When are you guys coming out to a game, I saw you, I haven't seen you in a while, and I'm like, I feel like you're going out to the games. I know you're college game day, you're taking the picks, or you're picking against the coogs? And I'm like, what's going on over here?

Well, listen, how? I did say that you, I saw that you said that you love the Mormons, and then I feel like I didn't see you pick the coogs. I was like, wait, whoa, where would you go wrong? It's a different, you know, I love Mormons. I mean, I'm from Pittsburgh. Love people from Pittsburgh pick Notre Dame. It's just, it's strictly business, says Coach Corso.

So you say, it's, you know, I am trying to have a perfect picks week one week. Okay, I'm trying my best, because the odds get pretty immaculate up there. This past week, there was a couple isolated island picks, but I'll tell you what, Ouse, it's hard to pick against some fan bases because they're so mean if you pick against it. And I'll tell you what, you Mormons, not as mean. It's actually pretty nice.

And I'm not saying that's why I do it, but I'm just saying it is a nice little feat of it all. I was gonna say you'll probably get cookies made if you don't vote for them, because then they're like, they want you to vote for them next week. So they're trying to set it up. And I know you were scared as could be when that boy AD pushed you off

All right, Lizzie, he's still absolutely jacked. Do you ever see him still? He's a monster. He comes into the weight room and it's like somehow like the 180 pound dumbbells just like appear in our weight room. And I'm like, what the hell is? What's going on? And he's just like casually walking in with the cutoff tea.

Like. Yeah. And you don't really see how jacked he is. And then he stands up. All right. See you. Yeah. Let me get out here.

Yeah. Yeah. Get the hell out. Yep. He's awesome. Yep. Look at those biceps. Dude.

This is ridiculous. Yeah. He's got vascular. in his abs you know i mean an absolute monster and he was great on the show i don't know if you watched the entirety of it but he was great he knew his shit he understood what was going on and it was a huge moment for him obviously number getting retired how's the season going how do you feel what a legend feel good i'm like man i love uh i'm waiting for lebron to return honestly so i'm like i don't make football season a little bit better i'm like i'm planning to go to some laker games

coming up soon the luca donch it i got to see the boy i'm like um i watched that wemby game with Steph Curry the other day. It was fantastic. I'm like, the NBA season. I'm like, it's really starting to kick off. That boy, KD's going crazy. Yeah, I'm like, you're asking about football and I went straight to basketball.

I'm like, I enjoy basketball season. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, and in basketball, a huge part of your training, you've told us, obviously, big basketball fan. LeBron, though, you don't want to go watch the Luca show? You don't want, you're not good with the Luca show? You need the-No, I'm like,

I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, if you would have a segment for us, that would be fantastic. Luca, the Luca Puka with Big Goose. I think we could figure them. Yeah, I think L.A. Luca Puka with Big, yeah, I think we can definitely pull that off. All right. So we get you out of Pittsburgh or Indianapolis and come over here.

It's a far trip. You asked me about the game coming to a game. That's a long way. Long way. Long way. It's sunny out here. It's California. Well, technically not right now, but.

What is it? How is the weather out there? It's been raining. It's been terrible. I'm like, my family came out. I'm like, oh, this is so nice. It never rains. I feel it's $70 all the time

and a freaking rainstorm. That's no good. We didn't get to go to Malibu. Mom did enjoy that. But mom's cooking tonight, so Mom's about to make some cookies tonight. Hopefully she makes some hamburger curry.

Some hamburger curry would be great. Okay. Feels like you're putting in an order right now, potentially. Corn beef and spaghetti. I'm like, Mom, please be watching Pat McAfee right now. Yeah, she is. She is.

Mama Ouss, you need this? Yeah. Am I allowed to say that? Is that how that work, Usa? Is there a female Us? Or how, how would that? No, no, no. You're Moma Nakua. Mama Nakua? Yeah.

God, that's a great name. Mom and Nakua making some cornbread spaghetti, I heard. Is that where we're reading that? Corned beef and spaghetti. Corned beef and spaghetti. Oh, Mom and Akua. Ships some of that to Indianapolis. Yeah. Yeah, we got bad by there too. We'll eat a lot of corned beef in spaghetti out here. I got that trench cut still. It comes in the can. The spaghetti comes in the can and

like the kid, like the pop can. And like corn beef is It's all can. Like, you need a can opener, cook it up. It's from, like, one of the Asian stores. You got to get it. Yeah, it sounds like tonight's about to be awesome at the Nicole. Well, I did wake up with Sasha McGrillo and a hash brown and the Sasha McMuffin this morning. It was fantastic.

Yeah, you got to do what you got to do. You're 24 years old. You can kind of do whatever the hell you want at this point. And at some point, you're going to step out of bounds, too, and we're going to watch it. We're going to watch it happen. Nope, you can bookmark this right now. I won't do it. I'm like I would be doing a disservice to the gentleman who played before me by stepping out of bounds.

You're an animal. We appreciate you. First team all pro this year going to happen. Pook and a cool. Yeah, he's the best. He's the fucking best. He's the absolute best. Yeah, the man.

Everyone in that locker loves him. Everybody, I think, just in life. Yes, that too. We saw him show up at a thing for the Espies. And as soon as he got there, like, everybody just like kind of, everybody's. He's just smiling hair. His name's Pooka Nogua. What a name.

Great vibes. Great vibes. Great players. And then him saying, I'm not stepping out of bound, though. Disrespect all the men to play the game before me. What a line, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. He's a guy that, like, makes everybody around him happy, I feel like.

I had a coach always said that. Like, you, I like being around dudes that make everybody feel good about themselves. Like, I feel like that is Puka. Are you an energy vampire or energy giver? You know, that is kind of the two different sides of the coin that you could be. Pook and Akua is certainly an energy giver. Now, we put. put out a tweet that maybe uh take some energy out of some rooms you know every single monday uh

i put out a tweet i say good morning i hope you all were uh fantastic because i do hope that is fantastic where do we all stand on the good morning have you heard this no no because morning kind of indicates a negative connotation oh that's stupid yeah although it's spelled differently you know uh certainly spelled differently there's people that substitute the word mourning so that there's no negativity, so it's a good rising, go wakey. You're a moron if you do that. A grand rising guy?

Who's doing the... That is a fucking idiot. I'm the person doing that. That's immediately where your mind goes when someone says good morning is why would I mourn anything right now? That's a great day. Then you're a piece of shit and you need to change and alter your worldview immediately.

Good morning has been said since the fucking cavemen and it will be said 2,000 years from now. So if you're one of the people out there that's doing that, just fucking stop doing it. Don't do that. And if you are doing it, you know why you're in a bad mood? Because nobody wants to be around

you. Well, say. Probably right. So what are you supposed to say? Good morning. Yeah. Like a normal fucking human being. No, AJ, I can see you as a Grand Rising King type of guy.

I can't even respond to you, but I can think of myself say that. Great morning to all of you. Thank you. Great morning. Great morning. It's my favorite thing to say. It's so easy.

You can just kind of get it out for everybody. Morning, morning, morning, morning. We do it in here to each other, every person that walks in. Morning. Morning. Here's a fun little greeting. Starts the greatest. First, we're saying the delivery of it.

The delivery of a two kind of sets of tone for how the rest of the day is going to go. Yeah? Morning. Oh, Jesus. Think of a coach. Hey, think of a coach walking in their team meeting. Good morning. And then he doesn't get the good morning.

morning back he wants and then he yells at a good more i said good morning uh everyone out restart the meeting like everyone got to come back in it's so important to society good morning yeah yeah yeah i'm happy we got to the bottom of that had to anyway so i put a tweet out and i say good morning beautiful people why don't you go ahead and utilize this particular post as a form of therapy for your fandom all of your emotions now the best ones will actually make the show and all you have to use is and Ty Schmidt here, who just had his incredible take on good morning people versus not good morning people, goes through them all and finds his best ones and the best ones. Ty, how was today's kind of pool of entries?

I'd say pretty solid because yesterday was a great day of ball and there are a couple of, you know, fan bases who today are kind of just reality setting in. We're getting to the most important football and you got a pretty good eye. idea of what your football team is right now. Well, let's go to somebody that thinks they have a great opportunity to celebrate at the end. This is from 10 Diggs. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but

Christmas decorations went up this weekend. Football weather is here. Another heated A have seen North race is happening. That only means one thing. Mason, the Savior Rudolph, season is upon us. Offense look crisper. Line blocked a little

better. Wide receivers a little more open. Running backs ran a little Harder might have a Cuban controversy in Pittsburgh and then he found a photo from a church in Pittsburgh of Mason the Savior Rudolph here. Tone, would you like to explain whether or not that's an overreaction or just a standard reaction from not only you but Jensers everywhere with the Steelers. Mason has delivered for us in the past in our time of need and we had a time of need yesterday in the second half and he delivered it again.

And I'm not kidding, it did. it looked, everything looked just a little bit better in the second half yesterday for the offense. And I'm not saying that Mason needs to start over Aaron. I'm just saying if Mason needs to start over Aaron, if Aaron needs to take some time and heal up this risk, that things are going to be just okay. He stands in there. He takes shots. He's not afraid to throw it downfield.

The mustache is unbelievable. I mean, you saw him. He was standing up there on Mount Washington with the icy light or icy light sign over his. over his shoulder in those beautiful bridges in his Jesus outfit, that's how I feel about him right now. Yeah, it kind of has a Davidian's outfit too, I think. That's what I see more of Davidian. No, that's Jesus.

That's Jesus Christ. No, that looks like David Koresh a little bit. No, because I specifically told Chat GPT to put Mason Rudolph in a Jesus Christ outfit overlooking Pittsburgh. Yeah, but what I'm saying is ChatGPT said, we can't do that for you. But we can offer up David Corrette. Mason Rudolph, overlooking Pittsburgh with the Iron City beer sign. Listen, if Gresh is going to bring a Super Bowl, I'm all in.

See, that's part of the problem. But on that note, football time, the football town. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from our Lord Zito. Hashtag I don't want to react, but the Bears are going to win the Super Bowl. Our defense is even at full strength, and we still lead the league in takeaways, 22 of them. He was putting that math together as he was piecing it together.

Zito's running the stats on the Chicago Bears team. We have the best coach in the league in Caleb is balling. The Monsters of the Midway are back baby screenshot of the NFC North leaderboard. They're de kings of the North, and they should be very proud of the team up there in Chicago. Amen, Zito. Zito, he got a little skipping step whenever he comes in after the victory stakes hit home. This Chicago Bears team feels special, feels different. Ben Johnson's able to go in there and flip an entire culture.

this quickly, AJ? Is that what we're seeing here? And should we talk a little bit more about Ben Johnson for coach of the year? Yeah, I think you should definitely be up for it and we'll see that. They still get to play the Packers two times and that's why it's great. We're going to get to see who the best team in the north is. So

yeah, Ben Johnson's done an unbelievable job, I believe. What was the first couple of weeks? They already wanted him gone. I feel like Ziet other people wanted him out of here saying it's not going to work and now look at what they have done. They're legit contenders. Zee would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He trusted Ben Johnson.

He believed in Ben Johnson. Now, Zee will just follow whoever is the head coach of the Bears right off of a cliff from what I've learned. But he believed in Ben Johnson. I think they may be, and I'm not saying Zito this, but Zito's friends and other Bears fans, maybe they didn't believe Caleb was going to be a part of the solution as opposed to maybe a part of the problem

as Ben Johnson comes in here and tries to win for the first time a long time. Instead, those two have seemingly got along swimmingly, and I think he's only going to get better in Ben Johnson. Yeah, and I've been loving. I don't know if you guys have been seeing. it, but they've been having some like Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, like some miced-up moments. And just a lot of things I wouldn't expect from Caleb, like he's taking on more of that

leadership role, more of the vocal leadership role. And whenever you're winning games, making winning plays late in games, that's a big deal, especially now in the mid-season. But they're taking on the identity of Ben Johnson. They're running the ball well. They're playing good defense. The passing game still, I think, has a long way to go, but they have the talent at the quarterback position and the skill position.

Loveland, he's becoming a way. weekend and week out, and we know about Rome and DJ and all the other guys on the outside. So, yeah, the arrow's definitely pointing up on the Chicago area. Oh, there's a Packers fan right there and right there, and there's a Lions fan right back there. Ben Johnson said, give me out of Detroit. Keep me in the NFC North.

I'm going down to Chicago, and I'm going to run this thing. Are you okay, Foxy? Are the Lions fans okay with what's going on in Chicago? A lot of ball left, but I would say right now at this moment with how our offense looked last night and with what the Bears are doing, all I can say is there's something missing in Detroit and could it be Ben Johnson, maybe.

Could it be Frank Ragnall? Maybe, but there's something going on with our offense. We just don't have the answers like we did last year or in past years. It's a little bit worrisome, but like I said, a lot of ball left. That's what Shragues were saying. It's what Shragues were saying before the season started. It is shaping up to be pretty awesome

because like AJ mentioned, two games to the Packers. still that last game. We've had it a couple years now in a row here with the NFC North in particular. It's going to end up being Bears, Lions, winner goes to the playoffs. Luzer goes home, especially with the Lions being out on the edge right now. We have the NFC roads here for all the teams that lead

the division to the playoffs. Obviously, the Bears are that team. You got the Packers twice, got the Niners, the Lions, the Eagles, the Steelers. That's a tough road, okay? Cleveland at home is good news for Chicago. But whenever you think about, if the Bears are able to go through this gauntlet and get to

a playoffs and still be an elite. I think we'll all be believes. Yeah, for sure. Good, better, best right there. It's starting to happen. Never laid a risk until you're doing as better and you better as your best. If they were able to get through that entire thing, I mean, that'd be quite a murder's row. We're happy for you, Chicago Bears fans. You guys have obviously

been through it. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This one's from Noah at Real X clarity. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact, but the Broncos are back, baby. Fraud this, fraud, that. Only two losses by four combined points. Best D and Elite. and Bo Nix with the most fourth quarter comebacks in a QB's first two seasons

in NFL history. Wow. He's Elway reincarnated for our lucky selves to watch. God bless Bo Nix. I'll tell you what. Sean Payton love Bo Nix whenever he drafted them. You know, last year, obviously they go through their growing

pains to get very good. This offseason is the quarterback a guy or not? It feels like in the biggest moment here he played his best ball. And Sean Peyton offensively, we assume, is always going to be good unless he's getting decleted. or D. Jordan by refs on the sideline. That Broncos team is exactly who we thought they were. It feels like AJ.

Yeah, their defense obviously stands up when they need them against the Chiefs. It's hard for me to get that image out of Sean Payton getting blasted on the sideline. You got to stay out of the white. You know, those refs will come screaming down that sideline. Sean Payton gets hit right in the back. I have no idea what happened. Yeah, penalty on him, I guess. But, man, that's a tough look.

Oh, my goodness. Good sale by the ref. Yeah, a ref does full sell, full body roll. Well, Sean Payton also wants to fight the guy, I think, and the two flaps go down. What if he had charged him? What if he started bear crawling after him? He did eyeball him there afterwards. I wonder if he was like, what the hell is your problem?

And then the ref's like, well, you're my problem at this moment. I don't know how that goes. Sean Payton hanging. The drive-by flag of the rest. It's the bad. Yeah, tosses it up and just keeps running. He kind of just, look at him. That's the flag, fucker.

Land's right. I didn't even see the drive-by. That's perfectly at Sean Bates deep. He's definitely He's definitely right at his feet. What a toss. Oh, shit.

That's a flag, Walker. One of the time. Boom, he's down. Somebody's watching it. I'm going to get my guys back running full speed.

Go ahead and toss that thing. Bang, that's a blast. Jeez. That's good work. That's amazing. All right. Yeah, good. Hey, congrats, so you guys need to stop taking these big shots on the sideline.

Let's go the next overreaction, shall we? This one is from Ethan Toddter. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but I hate having hope going into a season. The window is closed. Blow everything up and go back to poverty. Jared Goof, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last night. I'd rather put the bags back on and change the team. We're calling for paper bags. over our heads again, Foxy? We cannot be this fan base. This is the worst tweet I have read

in like 20 years of being on Twitter. I hate this tweet. This is the worst fan ever. Get this guy out of Detroit. Okay, we went Owen 16. First in the NFL history to go, oh and 16. This guy wants to go back to that. We had Matthew Stafford for 12 years.

He's one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. He's got the Rams playing great. He won a Super Bowl for them. We couldn't even win a playoff win with the guy. That's how bad we were as a franchise. That's how bad we were hiring coaches, getting the right guys around them, offensive line, run game, you name it.

Matthew Stafford didn't win one single playoff game, and now we're six and four. We just lost to the defending Super Bowl champs, and this guy, this guy, Ethan Toder wants to go back to the paper bag days. I'm out on this guy. This guy sucks. No, Foxy.

Ethan speaks for a lot of people up there in Detroit. No way. I hate any fan that thinks this way. Hey, anyone that doesn't like Jared Gough, by the way, yes, he played pretty bad last night. And that's going to happen from time to time against the best defensive league. But that guy wanted to playoff game, all right? That guy started out terrible. And everyone said, get him out of town.

And he stuck with it. MCDC stuck with it. Wanted us a playoff game. Got us the NFC championship. Never happened in my life. And this guy, this fan wants him out of town. Ethan Toter. Tudor sucks.

Is it true? I saw somewhere that golf was wearing mittens last night? That's not true. He just wore two gloves. He just wore two gloves. He's underneath his gloves. I saw that same exact thing. I didn't see that.

Like Maitons were your finger. It's not individual fingers. Like you wore the ugly. Like sticky bandits. Oh, this one, the one that folds over. Yeah. That seems. So he had the Nike ones that were the glove

and then they flipped right over in between sliding gloves on those. Right. And allegedly Johnny Morton was walking around the sideline going. It's easy, huh? So easy. I'll figure it out.

Good call. on every fourth down walking by. Nice call, dickhead. He was picking it, maybe. Johnny Moe last night lays his head down. Just like I fucking We got to remember what Tone said last week. Last week was commanders, MCDC called those plays.

This week, or this week was the Eagles. Johnny Moe called those. Next week, we're back to the Giants. MCDC gets us week after that. Johnny Moe gets the Packers, and then we just keep going back and forth. a bad idea, especially for your head ball coach. Yeah. But on that note,

I don't like seeing the Jared Goof thing again from Toter. Okay? This man's a new man. This man's getting his name chanted around the entire city. I saw it worse than that. This guy's done it. Yeah. You're saying Ethan Tudor was coming the line of being kind versus what everybody else. I saw a pretty big NFL account, say

Jared Goff when it's whatever degrees or colder and it was make sure of Orlovsky. Oh, no. Is that NFL? Lovsky. Let's ask him how he feels about this. I mean, that's a shot of a couple people there. Well, they don't just put out a list. And if you, I forget.

If you delete drops and weather under 30 degrees and offensive line of missing their assignments and something else, then these are the top five quarterback. Orlovsky put that tweet out. Goof is number one. And plus, Orlovsky hearing that he would be compared to goof, he's licking his chops. No, remember, guys are a lot of bad game.

Now, him showing up. with two gloves when he never does that. Kind of worrisome. Join us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the guy who people are saying is actually Jared Goff under 50 degrees of weather, ladies and gentlemen, Dano. Dan, I know you've got TV in a couple of minutes. We apologize for interrupting your pre-show routine.

I know you have to meditate and all that shit. So the thought of them saying Jared Goff at his absolute worst is Dan Orlovsky. How do you feel about that? And why did Jared Goff not play good? That's fucked up. I'm saying it. I'm telling you it's fucked up. I don't like it. what's happening. What happened to Jared Gough and why does you wear two gloves sometimes

and not all the time? Yeah, I would tell you what happened to him was the Eagles defensive line exposed to Lions offensive line. That was the best front that the Lions offensive line has played all season long, probably since at least week one Green Bay. And the Jalen Phillips Carter combo is just, you know, dominant right now. Jordan Davis, so Jomo Hunt. I think Jared was over 12 last night under pressure. So it was more so the lion's offensive line just getting dominated. And then sticky coverage. I don't know why he's wearing two gloves.

My guess is the temperature and the, you know, the trying to keep grip on the ball as much as he can. I know it was windy last night. I don't necessarily take offense to Jared being me under certain weather. So, but that was more Philly's defensive line kicking the absolute, you know what, out of the lion's offensive line. Foxy, police. Yep.

That's what they said, Dan. I don't like it. That's good. When he has to play outside of the dome without a perfectly climate-controlled environment. That's a good tweet. The internet, man, it's so good. Yeah, NFL means good account, too, good account.

They stay ahead of the game. And I thought this was rude to both parties because Jared Goff is a great quarterback. We think he has proved he's a great quarterback. Everybody wants them not to be. You have a bad game. They're going to attack you. It's more of a knock on Jared than it is.

Jared the one who should be offended, not me, right? Like, I'm constantly getting an uptick, yeah. Yeah, no doubt. No, you should be offended, too. Nah, I don't get fudge. Yeah, you fudge it all. Good luck on TV. We appreciate the fudge out of you, dude.

Later. Damn, mother, fudgeon, Orlovsky. And one more thing on poters tweet. He wants to go back to the days. No disrespect, because I see Dan is still, and he wants to go back to your life. And that's why I told her is a terrible fan for the Detroit Lions. Dan, this is uncalled for.

I just want to let you know that, Dan. This is outrageous. Oh, it's so fudgeon rude. Then we mute him. All right, Dan. Thank you, Dan. Dan, oh. That was tough times here for Dan Arlalski.

If you don't have any expectations, then you can't be let down, I guess, right? So you just expect to be terrible. Is that what they want? I've heard a coach say that if we win too much here, people are going to expect us to win a Super Bowl and then when we can't do that, then we're all going to get fired. You heard a employee coach.

That must have been a Hall of Fame coach. Nope. No. Asked coach, yeah. Shocking. Wasn't coach for my team, but I heard in conversation for other team. And I immediately go,

wow, that's cancer in the building. If you get that mindset or mentality in there. Wow. Sounds like that's what a fan mindset potentially is. Like, if we're just not, if we're too good right now, expectations will get crazy. We just need to remain ass, so then

we get down at the game, we fucking get a hot dog, maybe Eminem will be here. Speaking of breaking news for the Detroit lines, you are not asked, and your Thanksgiving performances are only going to get better. Eminem has signed on to become the conductor. Executive producer.

There is. Conductor. EP of the halftime shows. We all remember the Jack Harlow experiment that happened a couple years back. So good. Jack Bambo. those would I believe there by the setup and everything. This year's halftime show for Thanksgiving game for the Detroit lines, Jack White.

Good selection. You know where he's going, Wichita, dude. And he's going to Detroit, dude. And he's going to Detroit for Thanksgiving. his hometown. I genuinely don't know how many songs he has to play or needs to play. But boy, if you just play that one, I think it'll be a much better success than anything else going on anywhere else.

What other bangers do you have? All of them. Everyone knows that one. All of them. Got a lot. Not everyone does know that one we learned this morning, actually. Really? Deepone doesn't know.

Yeah. Debonne? Debonne doesn't know. Is that Jack White, too? No. No, no, no. That's Matt Damon. Who was the guy?

freestyle in the Steelers locker. Oh, you're talking about Matt? I thought that was that matter. You're talking about Mac. I did too, initially. Harry Mack, I believe, is his name. He's outrageous. I mean, he's outrageous.

He was able to get a bibliotheca, I believe, in there at some point. You know, just freestyle a brain. Unbelievable rhymes. I do wonder how many rhymes he has at all times in his brain. He's just off the top every time. Any words. It's impressive. It gets a word from 10 different people.

And then he has to go back through it, obviously. memorize what everybody's word is and then he just kind of goes down the line and through it all you know telling a story while freestyle it was he's an impressive being i've seen him on the internet for some years now and he has the ability to do the most absurd thing as soon as he walks in there and says i need some word somebody says orange he says i do it literally all the time thank you so much and he's like uh that's kind of his gimmick him traveling around he was the creator of the week or something like that the NFL's creator of the week i think the NFL is trying to reach out to more creators to do stuff? Stiller's got the Wiggles

or Kids Bop next week or who's next up for this week? I don't know who the next creator of the week would be, but I do know that they want, they want to know now with Harry Comes. That's a good point. What happened to the Rams? I saw a new O's. Was there a new O's? Oh, no, there was just a segment on Sunday

NFL countdown of O's doing it. Who knows when they did it? It might have been like before the season, but it was, you know, classic O's, play the hits, do all the same shit he does in every NFL locker room. Hey, Stafford, I want you to stand up here and think of who you're going to throw the ball to. Just think of who you're going to throw the ball to.

And we, I mean, we've all seen, you know, this song and dance. He throws it to Devante. Devante, stop. Go ahead and take this permanent marker, write down the score at the Super Bowl. Visualizing your mind, the team you're going to play as well. What do you know? He gets that too. But let's take it a step further.

Matthew, I want you to, you know, after Devante, who else you're going to throw to? And what do you know? No way. The two other guys that Matthew's thinking of. Put their jersey numbers together. Boom. Devante's palm, 2314. They're beating the Broncos in the

Super Bowl. Unbelievable. But, you know, it's, I mean... Actually, sick. It's good stuff, but it is just kind of the recycled O's experience. Yeah, but every time you think he's not going to get it, right? That's the... Well... I don't know if everybody thinks that.

I certainly think that. Well, that's the thing is there's always the chance that he's going to miss it because it's so aggressive. But then I was also thinking... No, it doesn't miss. Well, I know, but that's the part of the whole... I've seen a miss once with a bunch of fucking people.

No, but that was tough. I think that was... Once again, that was very aggressive. Like, the things he tries to do, the feels are very, very, very, very aggressive. Right. But you knew... Exact scores, exact this, exact that.

You knew that wasn't going to happen because it was a pre-produced segment on NFL countdown. Now, it would have been funny. Oh, so you're saying, hey... It would have been pretty sweet if you were just, like, fucked up, and they would have been like, bold. Gotta keep it.

So I wouldn't have... So sorry. that that happened, but you can see magic is, you know, you never know what's going to happen with it. Every time, though, I get worried for him. Like, anytime I'm up there with him, I have a general sense of anxiety. Just like, oh, man, you're going really, you're really going for it. Yeah. You're really going for like, this is way too much. All right. And then he has had me be a part of a couple of them. I'm like, bro, don't do that. Like, don't have me be a part of this shit. Like, I don't want to fuck this up. You know, like, you're going to think of a school.

You're going to think of a school or whatever, a university. I'm like, okay, which one, You want me to think of it, buddy? So many. So I just think of them. Like, yeah, there's 130 in fucking D1. They're all pretty good. It would be fucking sick if I drop something random one on you.

Scrant. But I don't want to fuck it up. Yeah, maybe Scrant. You ever heard of them? Fucking great women's basketball. So it's always a lot. He's always very aggressive. Pin numbers.

Like, hey, what's a super personal, super specific number? Pin numbers. Two, Jersey numbers. What is a specific score? He's just very aggressive. Kind of like career on the line. Every time you do that.

Yes, that's everything he does. It's like, bro, I don't think you have to go that far. The one of Darius was the most press phone I've ever seen. And the phone? Yeah, that was nuts. To get the name number one and then the emoji. But also, that's aggressive there. Very, extremely.

Fucking, this shit, he had taped the comment. Like, live in the, was that Detroit? Yeah, yeah. That was Wild's fault. He also just posted, I think it was on the Today Show or Good Morning America. And he basically had this guy who was interviewing. He was doing his whole shtick. And he said, like, think of the person that you would want to, you know, interview dead or alive.

And the guy is talking about how, like, I've never said this to anyone, told anyone about this. And then right before they shook hands, always goes, change your mind, change your mind, change your mind right now. And the guy changes mind. And the guy, like, Bob Marley. And the guy was just like. What the fuck? And the guy, like, couldn't even speak. I don't know what to do.

Because the guy was thinking, you were thinking of Bob Marley? I swear to God, when you first said that the first person, did it live. I said Bob Marley. I swear to God. And I haven't seen what... That's crazy. You're a little O's puppet. Maybe you have the ability, brother, to reach...

If I was ever an O's puppet, shoot me in the fucking head. I don't think you would know if you were. That's a good point. That's O's football. Fuck. Oh, you're right. Yeah, but he's...

Yeah, all of it is just so very aggressive. Like, you're... Even if he messes up, I think he's good enough to talk his way out of it and craft it into something else. Maybe. See, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't leave himself a lot of outs. Like, that is what I'm saying.

Like, everything has to be exact or does, because he does callbacks in his fucking shit. Yeah. And it's like everything has to be there for it. Oh, it's stressful. I don't know how he gets through it. Would be an interesting read. I kind of do want to get his book just to see what it says in there. But then I think he's just going to gimmick the whole thing.

Like, I told you to buy this book and now you're fucking reading it. How about that? Last page. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha, bitch. Let's go to another overreaction. This is from Drew Calgill.

Heshek, I don't want to overreact, but... The Vikings are dead. Nine is the second coming to Christian Ponder. Ooh. Another superstar wide receiver's career being wasted in Minnesota. Fuck this, dude. I don't think we can say that about nine just yet. I'm down.

To say what? To say that about nine just yet. What about Drew Calgo, though? He needs a little bit of hope. Nine's not done. That's true. It can get a lot better. This is basically he's a real.

year. Well, it's tough. And yes, I do agree. He's only played fucking 10 games. I have a feeling if Nick Mullins was starting there are 6 and 4 right now. Aaron Rogers, too, potentially their quarterback. San Bernardo, potentially their quarterback now. People are saying Sam Donald last night is

exactly what we thought Sam Donald was going to be, which is why we didn't want him. Sam Donald's going to have to fight through that for the rest of his career until he wins a Super Bowl, which we think Seattle potentially could. But there's a lot of quarterbacks, not at Minnesota. That could be in Minnesota right now. Danny Dimes was in that building. That was potentially a guy. He's going on to obviously lead the Indianapolis Colts to things that we've never done before.

So there's a lot of Minnesota Vikings fans thinking, what if, I think, too. A lot of what ifs because of where they were last year and where they could have been. Kirk Cousins, even a couple of years back. There's just so much what if with how good a team is. And then you watch him literally miss. I mean, there's some, there's some misses that are like Little League type stuff. Then there's some, you know, some throws that get made late that are like must-haves that happen. then there's some fastballs that take place

where he don't need a fastball, and then there's some misses where we don't need it that are kind of low. It's like he has the ability, I think, somewhere in there to make the big place. He's going to have to work to that, though. So maybe his first off season, this upcoming off season,

he'll be able to make a huge leap. Is that the expectation, AJ? I would assume so. But, I mean, if Santos misses that kick or is anyone upset with JJ McCarthy and the Vikings, are they sweeping under the rug, hey, we're good to go. This guy's a gamer.

NFC office player a week again 120 yards you're talking about 9 yeah I mean that's what I think they need to do I think they need to do a human sacrifice go like a crash test dummy put the J.J. McCarthy jersey on him and then take like a rocket launcher

or like a machine gun and just you got to fucking kill 9 and we need a different number he needs a new number oh there you go yeah change jersey you can do that yeah that be sweet 40 yeah now we're bear Bachmar

47 47 What number would look good, he can't be nine anymore. What about 99? Oh, what about 12? Love's Tom, right? Yeah, let's put them in Brady's number.

That won't go bad. I think it's so bad. I think it's Defcom 5 up there. They had 14 wins, and going into the season, there were some people who I won't name were basically saying, like, hey, look, they're going to be better than they were last year. They might not win the same amount of games.

They're going to be better. And then you think about... Sorry. Keep going. But yeah. You just got lost in a new number. Yeah, but you're right. There were people of high expectations for nine.

Yeah. What are you looking up? I was going to say, what number is Christian Potter? Because they may have been playing into this thing the whole time. Frame of change his number? Yeah, but I don't remember because, like this guy mentioned, Christian Potter was pretty shitty.

He was out pretty quickly in Minnesota. Let's go to completion percentages in the KOC offense out there in Minnesota. Nick Mullen, 70.3. This guy was spinning it. Yeah. Kirk Cousin, 67.1, Donald 66. Carson Wentz, remember him? over there? 65, Dobbs, 62.9. J.J. McCarthy, 52.9. But once again, he's not technically a rookie, but kind of.

Yeah. And this was a massive bet that the Minnesota Vikings placed on J.J. McCarthy, because they knew they had a team that could go on a run. And are they saying, did I hear it right? Justin Jefferson's getting frustrated? Oh, yeah. I don't think that's true. Is that true? Mm-hmm. He was frustrated yesterday, big time. I mean, think about Justin Jefferson. it 10 feet in the area and he'll catch it and this guy can't even do that.

Yeah, his catch radius is maybe the largest in the NFL. He's still controlling it, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, he wanted to slam his own. Great teammate. And then he had a great block of touchdown

on the touchdown. Circling the sea. He's holding on the hope, I think. That was a good circle, by the way, especially with the angle that the sea was. I agree. I think Justin Jefferson is like great leader and I think the way he's always talked about, especially whenever they chose to go to J.J. McCarthy with all the success he's had with everybody

else. I'm saying, hey, it's his team. I'm just here to hopefully make him better. Addison the same way. So I owe nothing against him, but boy, that's going to be tough. That's a tough bill for them all to swallow. They're fighting for number one seed in the NFC. And then now it's like, can we beat any good teams? I don't think so. I mean, Justin Jefferson, I understand him being a little bit frustrated. I'm okay with that. He's not going to getting in his quarterback's face on the sideline. He's frustrating that, you know, the lack of production on the offense. Yeah, he's allowed to be. And on that note, it looked like the overthrow Olympics for a while.

It did. This game, both of them just overthrow. And then you got Matt Stafford spinning it, and you watch him throw it. It's like, never missing. That guy's never missing a thing. And then you see Josh Allen doing his thing, and it's like never missing. Patrick Mahomes and Chiefs, are they dead? Until they have 10 losses.

Who do they have this? Yeah, maybe. They're not comfortably. That's right. That's why we put a question mark on. They have a good bounce back opportunity this week? Colts. Off of a bye.

That is a good opportunity because Colts are a really good team, so if they beat them, here we go. Both ways. Yeah. True. And the Colts, we don't know what Shane Steichen is off of by week. We have no idea. You know how they always have those stats? Unbelievable.

Like, hey, insert name of coach here after a buy, a lot of games, and then this. We don't know about Shane, because Shane's not really had a football team since been a head coach. True. He had like 14 different quarterbacks, different times. I almost took Gardner, Minstue, the damn. fucking Super Bowl boy what

it's a fucking murders row for the Colts to finish I was just saying that that is not I mean the Jags are for real man too this is Jags yeah

they just ponded the Chargers Texas defense absolutely pounded to the charges yeah Texan's defense good Kency Chiefs Niners again

Seahawks this is a good looking row boys I mean the Pat the Pat sketch was pretty tough too let's not let's not sleep on that one too

yeah I mean the Bengals difficult squad, especially after what just happened with Steelers. The Giants, you never know what you're going to get with them. It was nice to see Scataboo and Jackson Dard at the game. It was super, super, super, super, super fucking dope. That was super dope.

I like the way that was being reported. Support their teammates. Look these guys, good teammates coming to the game. Watch her team. Where the hell they're supposed to be? I don't know. Kicking it Sunday. I don't know.

Scat's everywhere. There you want to go. Scat is everywhere. He's beloved. He was at the UFC fight. I saw a lot of people wanting to take photos with him. He was obviously, I think, at the Knicks game. He's showing up to work.

Which is super dope. Home game. Yeah. Jordan Schultz reporting on the arrival. I think it's super dope that both Jackson, Darden, Cam Scadaboo pulled up together to support their Giants teammates. That's right. That is fucking super dope.

It is. Yeah, Debo had a response, obviously. And I agree. Shut up to work is pretty dope, Jordan. Pretty good response. Normally you can't hear all the sarcasm and condescendingness in a tweet, but that one read really clear. It did.

He read really clear. Love Jordan, man. We do. And I do like in spotlighting a positive, you know, Skadbu and Jackson Darkum of sports. That is good. Yeah, we can't be acting like that's just a heroic thing to do. Like that is just like a part of the thing.

Like you're a part of the team. You're a quarterback of the year. You're also a rookies. Kind of a requirement. Yeah. But I need backup. quarterback's getting equal reps going forward. Oh, great.

Put it in the CBA. Yeah. Well, CBA, we'll talk about report cards with the NFL and the NFLPA with J.J. Watt on Wednesday. He is very excited for that discussion. Can't wait. He is, we could talk about it now. We could have talked about it on Friday. We could talk about it tomorrow.

But it would all be a wasted conversation until J.J. Watt gets on here. So this is a teaser on Wednesday. J.J. Watt has a lot to say about the. NFL and the NFLPA's report card gimmick that's currently out there right now where the NFL has said to the NFLPA, yeah, we're not doing it. We're following a grievance. You're not allowed to

do these report cards anymore. JJ has some thoughts, and we'll talk to him about that on Wednesday. I think he's going to be on the player's side. Sure. I can't wait. It's a good team. He is an honor. You never know. He might see the other

side of the coin now. Boy. Wow. Do they do them over there? no they just kind of ship them out what do you mean the player I mean his soccer teams do his soccer teams get report cards done on them I wonder if espennial is doing that

and maybe maybe they just maybe they do just ship him out of town if they vote bad maybe it's a setup hey what do you think of our building guy gives an F sweet get him out we're selling you for 250 euro a week let's go to the next overreaction shall we we do not know if there's report cards

Let's go to Jared at Jared's 53. Hashtag I don't want to react, but the Eagles can't run the ball. The Eagles can't throw the ball. The Eagles can't control A.J. Brown. You know what else the Eagles can't do? Lose. Keep counting them out. All you dumbasses will learn when they repeat.

Hashtag fly. The Eagles fly. Hashtag go birds. Coop looks super cool up there in the owner's suite. Love that he rides or dies with this Philadelphia Eagles side. And I love the fact that they, think that they can't do anything. And I love that there's so much drama,

so much controversy, so much shit being talked in and or around the Philadelphia Eagles at all the times. And now we got people saying that that's Jared goof, and that's how good the Philadelphia Eagles play all the time. This team somehow performs at its highest, whenever it's its loudest, when normally that is not

the case at all tone. Yeah, it's kind of like they're the new chiefs. Like the numbers are not good. Like throwing the ball, running the ball. They are not correct. But the defense over the last few weeks has come alive since the additions that they have made. And all they do is win games. And they've

earned the credit to where we cannot question them anymore because all they do is win and they do it every single year and then they get to the Super Bowl and they win that game too. So it doesn't even matter how they look right now. You know who helps out a lot whenever you get to trade for Jalen Phillips. You know, you trade for Jalen Phillips. And then

Hembo sends us a stat and Jalen Phillips only been on a team for a couple weeks. But whenever he's on the field, the other team's quarterback, 16.7 QBR. Whenever he's not on the field with this defense, 55.9. So this guy has certainly been a part of some destruction of

game plans on the other side of the ball. And shout to the Dolphins still winning after moving on. But it feels like this Philadelphia Eagles team just reloaded, restocked. And even though there's so much drama, they don't care, AJ. They just win games. Yeah, they just win. I believe I saw a stat where they've won, what,

24 of the last 27 games. Is that true? Because these guys know how to win. Like, they absolutely know how to win. Yeah, doesn't look great, and you're going to say, hey, this is going to come back and bite him in the playoffs when it matters. This defense, though, they are absolutely rolling at all three levels, and they're fun to watch. And that's like we say, if you have a defense that can dominate a game, I think you always have a chance to win it all. And you talk about teams that win or are in contention year and a year out. We always say it starts from the

top down. And Howie, whenever there's an opportunity to make this team better, he goes out and put it out there. And go and get a Phillips. Go and draft Campbell, even though you have Dean who was banged up. And Kobe Dean being back, he's been great. Zach Bond, they went and found him, paid him. Like, this defense, Jordan Davis drafted him. He's playing great. Like, it starts up front, but on the back end, Cooper, the safeties.

Coyneux Mitchell, I mean, he is unbelievable. Probably the best press corner down in, down out in the NFL right now. So they have all the pieces offensively. They definitely got to figure it out and score more points. But you're talking about winning ball games. Like, if you look at Siriani and where he ranks amongst coaches and wins in their first however many games he's up there. I would assume

surrounded by all Hall of Famers. So they find a way to win games regardless of where they are in the season. So, I mean, fuck. And anytime you see him on the headline is, what's wrong with the Eagles? A.J. Brown, can they do this? Can they do that? And we'll look and be a week 18 and they'll be fucking 15 and 2. That's Eagles football.

That's Siriani football. Always noise, always winning. And they have to circle or cycle coordinators as well. It's a beautiful thing. Let's go on the next ever reaction? This is from Aaron Clinton at hi, my name is Ninja. What's up? Ninja. Hashtag I don't want overreact, but Chiefs are dead. O-line worse than last year. Nagy hates winning again. Defense look lost all game. What are we doing? Trade rice, X, and Brian to Chicago. Bring Joe back here and run the fucking ball under center. Hashtag same old chefs. Wow. Jeez. A lot of Chiefs fans

bummed out, Ty? Yeah, a lot of Chiefs fans bummed out. And I don't know. know why, but, you know, people just don't like Matt Nagy. He's taking a lot of strays. I was like, how much is this guy actually doing? But Chiefs fans, they think he's the one calling the plays, calling the defensive plays, making the special teams decisions. People

fucking hate Matt Nagy. Not everybody. Not everybody, but a lot of people. A lot of people. That's life in football, especially when you were a head coach, and it didn't go well. And whenever you're known by everybody, and when you go to a dynasty and obviously have immediate success, but then

it unravels, you're going to be the one that's, well, is it Andy Reid? No. Is it Patrick Mahomes? No. No. So who's, it's got to be this other guy. Yeah, it's not Steve Spagnola. No. It's not Tobes, special teams guy. No. Why is this other guy around?

It's not any of the players. No, we've seen them. They're all Hall Famers. They've won before. Why is this guy? This guy fucking drafted Mitcherbisky. Get him out. Get him the fuck out of time. Good luck out there, Nagy. And to the Chiefs, we don't know if you're dead, but I don't like even talking about it. Let's go to the next ever reaction, shall we?

This one's from Sir Thane. Hashtake, is that something? I couldn't tell, and his profile picture was just kind of like a black blob, so I wasn't sure. Is that from a movie? That's not a video game. It might be something like anime bullshit that I don't know about, but I'm not sure. Hashtack, I don't want to ever react, but I hate Todd Bulls as a coach with all my heart and being. Can't believe I got duped into thinking he's a decent coach for 10 seconds.

Bucks D got ran over faster than Mufossa getting crushed by a stampede. That was very sad and fast. Let the Bulls era end. Hashtag fire Todd Bowles. Is that how Tampa's feeling after what happened against the Beals? Yeah, this was basically every Tampa Bay overreaction was like Todd Bulls sucks. It's time for this to end. He's the head coach, obviously defensive coach as well.

He's going to be the one that's going to feel the heat if a quarterback does something historic against you on a Sunday in the NFL season. I think this team has been good, though, and on defense's side, it feels like they unload the clip early and maybe get everybody confused. And then if you can figure it out, you're in a good spot.

If you can't, you're going to be underwater for its entirety. I don't know if you can win a lot of, like, playoff games against a lot of great players like that. AJ, what are your thoughts on the buck's defense? Because I think we're just singing their praises a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, obviously, the Vita Bay, it starts up top. Like, that guy is unbelievable. But, yeah, I don't know. I would chalk this one up to, We ran into an absolute juggernaut. Josh Allen's awesome. He's a stud.

We were playing at their place. Yeah, they did turn them over early. They turned him over twice and got two picks on him. Credit to Josh Allen for coming back from that. But I don't know. I can't count the bucks out. But yeah, this was concerning, but I would say, hey, we ran into a guy who was playing lights out.

He scored six touchdowns on us. Let's move on to next week. Yeah, let's move on as fast as possible. And it sounds like they're trying to do that from Coach Todd Bulls. He'll stay isolated from it, though. He won't hear the noise. They'll keep going. They've got a lot on the line still, that Buccaneers team.

Let's go to the next overreaction. This one's from A.J. Swings at Dog Axfish. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Rams are frauds. In a game where we got vintage Sammy Ghost Donald throwing four picks, the Rams only squeaked out a two-point win on a missed field goal attempt. Hawks still run the West. AJ Swing says that's one game for Sam. That's not the rest of the season.

We played our worst ball and they only won by two. Sounds fake to me. How do you feel about that take from Dog X. That's exactly how. Seahawks fan, which I assume that guy is, is supposed to feel after that game. You throw the ball away four times, and yeah, you only come up short by two points. I feel them. I don't think that's an overreaction.

I think he, they still, you heard Pooka talk about him. They still got a bunch of dogs barking over there. And I love the fact that the Seahawks, they clearly still have Sam Darnow's back. You heard some of his teammates speak after the game about him. So I think Sam would bounce back from this one. Yeah, actually said, hey, you got something to say, fuck you. I love everything about that. Who was the...

Ernest Jones, the fourth. who was also kind of in the rumor mill during the trade deadline. So for him to say that, that's pretty awesome. Yeah, I love the way he sticks up for his team. I think it's an incredible culture. And also, Jason Myers hits all the field gloss for the team all game. He's been like a steady, steady, steady person for that Seattle Seahawks team throughout all the years. Him missing that 61-yard or is a heartbreaker.

He had a hell of a game. Yeah, he did. Had a hell of a game and then has a 61-yarder to win this thing. And that thing just drifts to his right on a slice. If he hits that a little cleaner, I think it goes through. obviously, but Jason Myers does big, has a huge game for the Seahawks, can't take it home.

I guess you should be a little worried if you're the Rams, huh? No. No, absolutely, no. It's just a good ballroom. For first place, like, it's a big win. Mike McDonald's 11 and 1 on the road. I mean, but I guess 11 and 2 now. Yeah, what a monster Matthew Stafford

the year he's having right now. And that defense's outrageous. They're young and they're hungry. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from Bill's Mafia. at 1018 at Colby 2281. At Pat McAfee Show, hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Buffalo Bills are all the way back. Josh Allen's big country ass, he's rumbling and stumbling for six tuds. Joe Brady is a fucking sicko.

Cole Bishop is a junkyard dog. The Colts and Pats have been put on notice. No one. And we mean no one. Circles the wagons like the Buffalo Beals. Cheers. Is your defense good enough to win? that's the only question we have to Colby

and to the Buffalo Bill's next. What do you think? They hope so. I mean, I don't know right now. We definitely don't know. Their offense is good enough to win it all, but can your defense hold up when it truly matters? I don't know. We'll see. They can prove to us that they are. Josh Allen in a shootout, I think we all like. I think we certainly like. But if the defense is able to get a stop on Josh Allen a couple of times, will you be able to answer that on the other side whenever push comes to shove? That's the only question.

Well, and the best, you know, defense for Josh Allen's to keep them off the field. And if you can't stop the runner, team's just going to, you know, run it 15 times every possession. And, you know, then it's like, hey, guess what, you have to score a touchdown on every single possession if you're the bills. As a team in the AFC, who is on a historically great running season, I am very pumped that the Buffalo Bill's seemingly weakness at this point is their rush defense as a Colts fan. Now, it's all matchups, obviously, whenever you get to the playoffs, which we all assume we have. all are going to be there. So if you happen to run into a team that can just take the air out of the game completely and Josh Allen touches it three times a half, four times a half, like what, what do you do?

And let alone if your defense gets a stop on Josh Allen one or two times, like how does it go? I guess that's the question mark. They still got a lot of time to figure it out. They still got a lot of time to figure it out. Let's go to the next ever reaction, shall we? This is I'mace Brad Lambert at Will Be Hardigan. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact. But?

Bryce Young just solidified himself as a franchise. quarterback franchise record 448 on one of the top past defenses in the league Falcons need to extend Raham Morris four out of 12 of Bryce's wins are against the dirty birds move over Arthur Blank Bryce owns you shout to the Carolina Panthers seemingly getting a team and shout out to Bryce Young obviously got bench last year and then comes back in they found something special David Canales down in Tampa Bay with Baker Mayfield was sweet now they're trying to do the same thing in Carolina and for the Atlanta Falcons it's just another situation

where we have no idea who they are, what they are. Ted McMillan, obviously, a stud for the Carolina Panthers. Rico Dowdell Special, Bryce Young's fine in his groove. Are the Carolina Panthers building for tomorrow or today? Eric, a ball club, you know, a winning team right now and to be down like this on the road against a divisional opponent in the fight back, Xavier Lee Gett making another play. He's had kind of an up-and-down season.

And you mentioned the T-Mack out there being special. He's a weapon, you know. Atlanta obviously has Drake London, and the Panthers went out, got T-Mack in the top of the draft this year, and he's been special. But Bryce Young put on an absolute show. This, Bryce Young yesterday, and obviously it's, you know, throwing for 400-50 yards. You're not going to do that weekend and week out.

But this is why he was drafted, number one, overall. He's obviously a small guy, so it was going to be an outlier to be successful in the National Football League with that frame. But he was compared to Steph Curry. He was like the Steph Curry coming into the draft and watching him play yesterday. It gave you Steph Curry vibes. He was, he was on fire. I love where the Panthers are at right now in their kind of,

I wouldn't call it a full rebuild because you have your quarterback and you have your gym, you have your head coach, but I think they're hitting in the right direction. Congratulations to the Carolina Panthers and Steph Curry moving on from Under Armour. Yeah? Huge. We're wearing Nike shoes, right? First game back. They'll be so immediately, and then they win and he goes crazy in them.

That's certainly a sign made from the basketball guts. That felt like a big deal, though. Because I took a trip down memory lane with Steph Curry and under. I remember the Nurse Curry's and then the grass cutter ones and then now where they ended up at? I mean, that was a special development, a special group. That was big for sports, I think, AJ. He started, like, the whole golf line, I feel like, with Under Armour as well. Like, he's so in so deep with that.

I'm like, what happened? Did his contract just run up and they didn't renew it? He didn't want to go. Like, I don't understand how they fell apart. Yeah, they re-he got a pretty large country. I don't remember all the details a couple of years ago. I feel like, and he still owns the Curry brand. Now it will be separate from UA, so wherever he goes, whether it's Nike or Reebok, wherever he goes,

he'll still have that Curry brand. I'm sure all the initiatives and the golf stuff. He's been sponsoring, like, golf teams and all type of shit. So I'm sure it's still going. But this is obviously huge in the sneaker landscape, but I think it was just a differing of routes for Under Armour and where Steph Curry wanted to go. I mean, shit, he's their most.

Definitely. He's their biggest. I know Justin is their biggest, probably, football player. But as far as basketball player, global superstar, like Steph Curry, is that. Yeah, click, clack until now, I mean, they, AJ had to go through with Under Armour where they were trying to figure out how to make cleats, just like Jordan. in a documentary talked about how they had to figure out

how to make basketball shoes. His feet were bleeding at the end of games because of how the technology was then. Happens with shoes as well. That's why like normally the first round of shoes for any company is ass because they're trying to find it and figure it out. And those Curry ones, we support it because we like the way Steph Curry played, those first couple

pairs of shoes were the shittiest. On the market, I mean, the shittiest on the market, the way they felt and looked were just ass. And then like they continue to evolve. And I think they got like good. And it was like, I'm not they were going to continue to go. So whenever I saw it, I'm like, man, you guys went through a lot of hard times together.

You guys got cooked together pretty good there for a while. Yeah, he was having bad ankle issues where people thought like, oh, he's not going to be able to play for, you know, six, eight, ten years in the league. And now from him being, what, year 16 or 17, and, you know, he's been relatively healthy for the most part of that. So that was, that was huge. So it's a huge move for him to go to a different, completely different shoe brand now at this stage of his career. well and like you mentioned it as like a joke but like that's those first pair like that's all they were good for was like mowing your grass in like you didn't do you couldn't do anything else with those and even if you did that you're cutting the lawn and then you're done you're like Jesus Christ

I got fucking blisters all over my feet like that was a but Steph was somehow going out there yeah and filling it was like I thought they had a great maybe for everything obviously great work by you two and what you built it was still a special relationship last overreaction here from Chris Nichols. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact, but the Jacksonville Jaguars continue to make zero sense. If you're playing a franchise QB, we might warp that ass. Put it backup in and we can't do nothing right. I don't know if the duval jags are a playoff team or not yet, says Chris Nichols. Huge win. I think you should celebrate that. Yeah, yeah. And that's the overreactions. Let's make our picks for tonight. Dallas Cowboys take on to Las Vegas Raiders. Are the Cowboys still

favored by three and a half toned dig yes I just checked it's three and a half across the board 68% of the public bets were on Dallas before the show started has that number moved 71 on the Cowboys Wow over 70% now can he tell me how that's doing as opposed to maybe earlier in the season

so this weekend any any teams getting over 60% of the bets were 4, 6 and 1 it's been around 500 but on the losing side for the last few weeks earlier in the season people were just getting destroyed like one in four

oh and five stuff like that so it's been getting better but still haven't had a winning week yet okay so AJ let's check out where you and I stand oh okay I've never run away wow I'm starting to really make a run back into this thing I was down early all my juice was over

on college football the NFL picks were not fantastic now seems like I'm maybe making a push to make this thing now we're 5-5 and 1 as a whole you and me after tonight and obviously it feels as if any game can go anyway. That's why picking against the spread is insane, and that's why sports books are continuing to evolve.

And every sports book is able to make money nowadays, except for one somehow. Yep. Still don't know how that worked. Why is to say I lost a Jacksonville game? Jacksonville was plus three on that last graphic. You're saying you got bamboozled here a little bit? I mean, I picked Jacksonville, and they blew them out.

Oh, yeah, you are. You should be a tie maybe here. Oh, yeah, it's going for a tie tonight. Go back there. Six, seven, and one. Oh, they're six, seven. Six, seven and one, yeah. Okay, so, hey, a lot on the line here tonight.

DeButch, your thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys, favored by three and a half, getting 71% of the money going into Las Vegas. At first glance, this looks like an absolute stinker. But we got two quarterbacks who, at any given time, can put up a ton of yards and score a ton of points. I am excited to see Quinny Williams debut and also overshone coming back for this Dallas Cowboys defense.

So give me the Cowboys on the road to win and to cover the three and a half. He was talking about both quarterbacks. I've just been seeing a lot of stuff, and this is not made up. A lot of Raiders fans are interested to see if Kenny Pickett makes an appearance tonight. Okay, maybe a snap for Kenny Pickett. That'll be two gloves, two different days. Jared Goff and Kenny Pickett, we shall see. Darius Butler likes the 71% of the people that are on Dallas minus three and a half.

AJ, who do you like? I like Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys as well. All right, me too. All right, final picks. Let's get out of the air. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice

and might change our life. We're in this thing together. You are the greatest people on earth. Great work today, boys. I appreciate you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team.

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