The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1458 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 12 Recap

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Pat, Darius Butler, and the boys break down the biggest storylines of week 12 of the NFL season in the FIRST 15. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to dive into the top five headlines coming out of week 12 with the NFL Sunday Slate. We said, we want to do something each week that maybe has a little bit of reason, a little bit of rhyme, a little bit of structure. What are they doing? Football games with that all? That's called the first 15. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our first 15, driven by ram truck. Whenever you hit the gas, that thing sounds like obviously incredibly smooth, powerful and durable, but it's also perfect for the first 15 because that's what we're trying to be. clock please in a lower left corner bang let's get started top five headlines coming out of week 12 sunday slate number five who's league it's looking like ramsley heard that a lot last night whose house rams house whose house rams house felt loud felt like the rams faithful have kind of

i don't want to say finally but the rams faithful taking over that entire building now whenever they go out to los angeles you have no idea what's going to happen how's this going to go is the franchise going to be able to be exciting enough and electrifying enough to steal the attention of the people that live in L.A. And with the Rams, are they going to be good enough? Then they win a Super Bowl in SoFi, in their own stadium, in their own city. And then they go all in, basically, for that team. They sent a bunch of draft picks out there, you know? And GM actually quote is saying, fuck them picks, you know, that's kind of everywhere. We need to win right now in a brand new city. And somehow, from that era to what they're doing right now, they've been able to continue to turn over the

dominance. They got a young defense that's everywhere. And they got a quarterback who was drafted in the same class as me and Bucb. Yeah. He was picked number one. I was picked 222. He was picked number one. Derrish J. Butler was pick. 41. Oh, DeRybub.

That's O.C.B. For Matthew Stafford and for Daryish J. Butler. But what this guy's doing this year is outrageous. He's the MVP odds on favorite. And every time he's on prime time, he's doing the shit that he's doing, especially with DeVante, which D.Bott's going to get into here in a matter of moments. But every time he gets out on TV and showcases

is what he's able to do at this current stage of his career with dudes like Pooka Nakua, who DeVonte Adams said he's like, this is the greatest vibe of all time. Pooka Nakua, always positive, always energetic, also impossible to tackle an incredibly tough. Kind of sets a tone for everybody in the building. And oh, yeah, you've got an OG Devante Adams in that building. And oh, yeah, Matthew Stafford's playing better football than he's ever played. Devante Adams just passed Jimmy Graham for the most one-yard touchdowns of history of NFL. Congratulations, DeVonte.

Let's go. Is that real? Congrats. 15 of them. You know, Jerome, better. this is on that list. You know, Jerome better said that run with the Pittsburgh Steelers where basically they would walk it all the way down the field and get to the one. Instead of the touch push, it was the bus hush. He just kind of ran it in for a touchdown. I think it was

Fast Willie Parker. Parker got all the yards and had like no touchdowns. Why don't you have any touchdowns? Well, any time we get inside of five. Bussies territory. Yeah, he had like three touchdowns, two yards in a couple different games. You're talking about one yard touchdowns. Gronk had this situation. Obviously, whenever they were down on the goal line with Tom Brady, would just flank gronk out there one-on-one and if you sent one person out there okay well that's a two-way go for gronk right now if you send two people out there what happens to the box well obviously we're able to hammer it's an unstoppable offensive weapon if you have it devontes get off they say he's better than anybody so not only do you have the best get-off you also have a quarterback that never

misses this dude never misses and then on defense aside they're only giving up 16.3 points a game or something like that that's a few us in the NFL this is the first time ever the odds on favor of the MVP has had a defenseist dominant ever so whenever you talk about whose league it's starting to feel like we might be talking about the Rams League is that how you're seeing a deba absolutely you talk about it offensively it always starts with the quarterback a lot of questions about Matt and his health coming into this season so for him to be playing like this now is unbelievable and then everyone around him obviously we know his head coach to play caller Sean McVeigh he's great they got a good running game the old line has been keeping him clean whenever you have a quarterback you know that's

up in age. We mentioned being drafted in 09. You want to keep them clean. You want to keep it upright. And they've been doing a great job of that. And it's Devante Adams. Once you get into that area, like his release game, even out here, like his release game off the ball, I mean, Chad Ocho Cinco, Stevie Johnson, and Devonte Adams will be at the top of that list. Like he's so smooth out in the field. When you get to that area, low red area, slants, phase all of it. And then Puka, he's everywhere. He does everything. It's unbelievable. Do you think because Sean McVeigh was a wide receiver, he has seen himself and he said,

if I had Devante's release, I would just on the goal line, and we'd just flank them out there. You got Pook on the other side. He got Parkinson's, you got all these other weapons that obviously the Rams have in abundance. But if they one-on-one out here,

Sean McVeigh's thinking in his head, if I had Devante's release, that's a two-way. Do you think that is an advantage for wide-receiver relationships when the head coach play caller is a wide receiver? I think that always helps. And it's part of,

I mean, even when, like, he's always going to get the most out of his weapons, Even when Odell Beckham came over that year that you mentioned when they went on the Super Bowl, he would just isolate Beckham on that side of the field. And that was while Cooper Cup was winning the Triple Crown, but he would get the best out of both guys and putting them in their situation to be productive.

And on the opposite side of Duvante is Puka. And Puka is moving everywhere. He dominates in the interior of the field. He'll insert through a B or C gap and run a route down the field. He's tough. He came on the show and said, hey, look, I'll never be the guy that's been run out of balance or turn down contact.

You talk about his vibes on and off the field, but you put the ball in number 12's hand. He's going to make something special happen, damn there every time. And then defensively, you mentioned it. Rarely do we see the offense like this paired up with the championship level defense. But Chris Shuler has the boys rolling. The front four is the best in the league, in my opinion. And then guys on the back end really making a name for themselves this year. Kenchins, who had two picks last week.

Kobe Durant had a pick last week. Now he has a pick six this week. And Emmanuel Forbes Jr., I think he was targeted seven times. He didn't give up a catch, which he was a washout in the commanders. What happened on like the mayor? He's super skinny, right? Yeah. I mean, he's still a slim guy, and I don't think he'll always be a slim guy,

but the reason you rarely see a guy that small get drafted in the first round. The reason he did was because of his skill set and how dominant he was at Mississippi State. And now you just see confidence. Confidence is everything at any position. When you're a quarterback having that in life, when you have that confidence, you're in the system, you have a coach that believes him, you have players around. You have great. This is what you see when you go to a.

a new place and we always say, hey, maybe this guys need a fresh start. That's a great example of this right here. To your point, D. Butt is from next-gen stats. Emmanuel Forbes faced seven targets and did not allow a single reception against the Buccaneers. And remember this Buccaneers offense, really good. What's going on?

So it seemed early he was reaching for his arm. But they let him play. So it felt like it was happening early. If he had a broken anything up there like collarbone, I don't know if they let him play. I don't want to diagnose. anything, but it feels like something with the AC joint, I'm not 100% sure, just the

way he was reaching for it, incredibly painful. I mean, like, one of the most painful things. How many times he sat before this throat? Like, he was under duress that we saw in prime time when Josh Allen was running for his life against that Houston Texan defense. It kind of seemed very similar against this Rams front.

So whatever he came into the season dealing with, it definitely didn't help facing facing a, what would they call him? James. Jeez. What an incredible, I mean, that was good. is really good. I appreciate that. But like what we're trying to say is he was reaching immediately

to here. It feels like that's probably a very real thing he was playing through last night. So obviously is Baker playing his best football? Is the offense playing their best football? Is anybody going to be able to play their best football against this Rams defense? I think that is the big question. And Shula was getting a lot of face time last night. Chris Hilda, as he should, because

how dumb it they were. This Buccaneers' offense is good. Oh, yeah. This is a very good Buccaneers offense that they did that too. We're like four weeks away from, or sorry, we're four weeks removed from basically saying Tampa Bay was going to the Super Bowl. I mean, they had everything in the Bucks, or sorry, the Rams made him look basically incompetent on

offense. And you're talking about Godwin was back. They weren't as hurt. One thing, and I'm hoping this doesn't happen, just because I would like my team to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Donald needs to come back and just play 10 snaps a game with this D-line. And I don't care if he is even just on the sideline in Patch, just

hyping the guys up, kind of telling him, hey, that's great dance move. Maybe you can do this to make it a little better. But he was he was on game day last week, two weeks ago, whatever, and he looks just as jacked as he did when he was playing. Now he probably needs a little time to get into game shape, maybe even put on a couple pounds. I don't think so.

He might be able to play middle line back. That's right. Just like Jage. Yes. Like J.J. Watt, we kind of experienced his first year of retirement with him. If you do recall weekly, we were joining him. And that dude just didn't understand like, hey, you're not still in the NFL. He was still getting under the squat rack every single morning.

Running sprints. You remember he was running sprints and doing cardio and everything. And I don't know if Aaron Donald's doing all of that stuff. I'd assume yes, though. I would assume that he would be doing those things. And then we saw him like, paint. I mean, it got threw me with a pinky. Yeah.

The guy threw me with things. He trained with knives. And whenever you talk about that front, you drop Aaron Donald in it. And once again, we have no inside information on whether or not Aaron Donald wants to go back. Aaron Donald's enjoying hell out of his life, I think. And he's earned it. And he goes, 10 years, eight all pros, 10 pro bowls, one of Super Bowl, 3D. defensive MVP's, I feel like I did pretty, I feel like I had a pretty good career.

You certainly did, you certainly did. You worked your ass off for all those things. But he was in the building last night. Yep. And I'm assuming he gets excited watching the way that defense plays. Yeah, I think you get out there and play right now if you wanted to. I'm not sure if you guys heard them talking about. They've said it a few times with Jared Verst when he went and worked out with him.

And he was like, you know what, Aaron, don't call me. I'll call you. It's the hardest shit he ever experienced. And that's him post-NFL career. so I'm sure 9-9 can still get in there and dominate. Congrats on Rams fans. It's a good life right now. Right now it's very good.

And how long's Matthew Stafford going to play, especially if he's hopping into that tube of live foreverness? The immortal chamber. Yeah, what was that thing called? A mortal cryo chamber of life. It's amoral instead of immoral, so I don't know what the difference is. Well.

Because he's an alpha. It's amoral, maybe. Maybe it's a hard A. on that. Yeah. Whatever the case, he looks good. They also have the number 11 pick still, so. Who was calling the game? There it is. Amoral. Amoral. Amoral.

Amoral. Advertise itself as a wellness device that aims to optimize human performance and promote holistic health through a combination of non-invasive technologists. It worked. Yeah. This guy's fucking unbelievable. We saw him walk into this thing. Then we saw him walk out of that thing.

And now we're getting a season. We're getting right now. That's a good question. this we talked to him about this didn't we yeah we talked to someone about it he said my calling's doing pretty good this year and it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa mr white teeth right there yeah mcclone would say that he looks good too oh yeah great looks young he went the beard and he's not getting hit either he could he could play another oh it's like the body seven years like the body that's playing out there has actually never been hit before this year i mean doesn't i mean he is a little too

the touchdown to parkinson obviously every week also never saw those calves until his Ever. Well, he was hiding him maybe because he's a humble man. Did he get new legs? Well, it does appear maybe from knees down because those calves. But once again, we don't really know because he's never really hurtful. Other than mic'd up situations with NFL films when he was in Detroit just getting murdered and then throwing awesome passes. Detroit was so stinky.

So stinky. So stinky. But they had Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford, so you were kind of forced to pay attention to him. You know, like we're all forced to pay attention to that team because they were doing records. And I mean, DeVante's on his, he's on a record breaking pace right now. Already did last night. Jump to top 10, top 9, top 8, whatever the number is in touchdowns. Congratulations.

I already only have one less touchdown is around. One behind Puka. Puga has 13. He has 12. Yeah, it's been a hell of a year. That's not. And I'll tell you what, whenever you find the cheat code on goal line offense and you don't need everybody on your team to get accordioned, you know, like the tush push does,

that's a really nice thing. The offensive line loves that Devante Adams has a one-on-one on the outside. You know who else loves that? Running back to, well, running back may want to touch down. Everybody else loves it that it's happening out there. And all Matthew Stafford has to do is what? Just the thing that he's the best in the world at? Just put it into a bucket?

Okay. No problem. And then Devante's like, wait until you guys see the shit I worked on in the summer. It's actually a triple fucking. That's all, he's just crossing dudes up. So what's the hardest? You don't know where he's going? Because he doesn't use his hands either.

Yeah, they're just down. His hands are like down, so it's like very interesting. What is the hardest part about his get. Everybody talks about his get off, his get off. It just, to me, it looks like he just shakes the shit out of somebody. Honestly, on that one, that one, that was inexcusable by McCullen because you have help inside there at Winfield, and he's so close. And he had outside leverage.

Yeah, I'm sure they go. At this point, like, hey, we're talking about it. 17, we're down here. You got to guard half a man. It's like Des Bryant used to be automatic down there at Romo when they got there. He was going to throw the back, show the fade, regardless of what was happening. But if you're a corner, you got to be able to be able to, to guard half a man at least so you take away half but if you're one-on-one just on an island

and he has a two-way going you you want to initially take away leverage but a veteran like him even if he sees out inside leverage he'll probably set you up and still try to take it away so when you have that two-way going you've done it as much as he has done it and then you have a quarterback that can actually be on the same page and hit you it's damn there unstoppable yeah because stafford's not missing exactly like we'll see sometimes those opportunities where a ball be a little too far land out of bounds be a little short we'll get batted off to somebody's back or something like that. I think there was a situation last night

with Dak and CD, obviously. We'll talk about that here in a matter of moments about where CD thought the ball was going versus where it actually went. Now, granted, it won't right through his arms and he thought was going back corner. It's like Stafford seemingly always puts it right to the place that everybody wants.

Exactly. That's why you're talking about ball spinners, bro. Got it. Absolutely got it. Could do it forever. Let's go to the top four headline now. We're talking about the bare necessities. Thinking bear necessity.

Hey, the Bears, the Kings of the North. This is real. Big one. Hey, just a tough team coming in. Well, Pittsburgh Steelers. When Mason Rudolph, who by Steelers fans' own emissions, was fresh off a hot fourth quarter with the Steelers team, maybe the guy who needs to lead to Pittsburgh Steelers to the promised land

they were hoping to go to this season because Aaron Rogers fractured his left wrist. Now, the story going in was, is Aaron Rogers going to play against a team that he's the landlord of? Is Aaron Rodgers going to play against Chicago Bears? Maybe one final time in Chicago. He's got a fracture on his left wrist. Okay, he obviously throws right-handed. He was trying to get into the game last week. He was allegedly trying to play this week for a number of reasons,

not only because he's super competitive and he loves his Pittsburgh Steelers team, but also because he would, like, do, one more. One more, and he's on Chicago. We found out that he was a fan of the Chicago sports team because he watched WB growing up. He was one of his six channels, so he saw the Bulls, and who wasn't a fan of the Bulls,

especially if Michael Jordan. fan like I was. He loved the Cubs and he loved playing against Chicago, obviously, with the Packers because it's a rivalry that he held in high regards. So we thought Aaron Rogers going to wasn't Aaron Rogers. It was Mason Rudolph. And guess what? It didn't matter because what the Chicago Bears team is, real. Now let me talk to you about what I like about Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson, what he was able to do at the Detroit Lions with Jared Goff. He turned Jared Goff, who is a robot into a very, very, very, very, very efficient robot. Hey, this is what we need to do. These exact steps, this exact play fake. The ball needs to be a disingen, this.

exact pinpoint. So we wondered, does Caleb Williams ever going to be able to buy into the Ben Johnson system? Well, for all that to happen, you need a lot of things. Need a great offensive line. They invest in the offensive line. Oh, yeah. Need a great run game. Okay, need a great run game. Okay, we're going to have a run game. This is if you look at what the Detroit lines had with Ben Johnson. Best offensive line, need a great run game. Then what do you need a quarterback that's able to do? Well, he needs to be able to hand that ball off to the running back, and then he needs to be able to play action to shit out of that defense. Because if you have a good play action and you have your back to the defense,

back to the defense like this. Caleb Williams spent his entire life shotgun looking at everybody. Hey, Caleb Williams, you're the best athlete on the field. You need to have eyes on everybody. And if something doesn't work, make it work. That's what you need to do. Now they're asking, Caleb, for the success of this offense, for this offense to be as good.

You have to take the ball, commit completely, turn your back to the defense. T.J. Watts on that defense. Turn your back completely to the defense. Sell this thing so that the linebackers can't move. Okay, these linebackers can't move. They can't do anything. They have no idea.

And then back as soon as you turn, you need to know that the ball is going to go right to there, right to the seam. That's where your needs to go. We don't need you thinking. Okay, we just need you to turn your back. Don't be scared to get hit in the face. Could happen. And as soon as you turn around, you need to just spin that thing. You will catch the defense in a land that they don't want to be in.

You will have wide open guys everywhere. And I'll tell you what, yesterday against Pittsburgh Steelers defense, wide open guys everywhere. The rhythm, the timing, the execution of an offense by Caleb Williams was very much on display. couldn't do shit right there. Fifty couldn't do a damn thing right there because he had no idea what Caleb was going to do. Back to the defense. Turns around, boom, on a button, see you later. He has to know what the defense is doing pre-snap. So Caleb has to know what the defense is kind of doing pre-snap because then now he has to decide where he's going once he turns his back, back around. But he's making the right decisions. He's committed

completely to the play action and their team's built to have success. And then on defense's side, they just get turnovers everywhere. They get turnovers everywhere. Now, there's a couple stats that Hembo sent over to me about this Chicago Bears team. Last year in games that were decided by five points or less, 2024, they were one and six. This year, they're six and one.

In those games, Chicago has a plus 12 turnover margin in those games. So whenever you talk about not only are they winning the close games because they're seemingly a culture, a moxie, an aura, good, better, best, never let rest to go as better and better as best. They have that defense, getting the ball back for

an offense that is going to become much, much better. this is the first step now i guess this would be the second step first step was like buying into the offense being good by caleb second step starting to understand pre-snap what the defense is doing fully committing to play action there's so much more if you remember what ben jonson and jared golf were able to do in detroit this is the this is the fundamental basis of this offense is being able to do this off of play action then all the other shit comes in so whenever you talk about up and to the right it's like caleb and ben jen Johnson. If they were able to work, we're going to be maybe unstoppable.

Seems like they're getting to the point where they are going to work, where we can confidently say that. It's just how quickly do they become that absolute juggernaut that Detroit was? It might be soon. It is fun to watch what they're doing. Yeah, I think they're just scratching the surface. They're only 11 games in and you're sitting at 8 and 3. I don't think many people expected this. And Caleb Williams, when it's a high leverage situation, I feel like that's when he's playing his best ball. And that's really, rarely you hear that for a young quarterback like him. So I think they're just scratching the surface with this offense.

And yeah, it is a belief in a trust in something that you really haven't done your whole life. I would assume he ran a similar offense in high school, in the gun, up-tempo, went to college, moved around the colleges, but did similar things. So to get to the National Football League, and now you're in the huddle, you've got to command the huddle, you've got to call plays. You've got to be under center. You've got to do play action. And he's handling it great. He has young guys around him as well. I think Burden will continue to come along, who was their first round pick this year.

another first round pick, Loveland. Obviously, a lot of people made a lot of noise because we ended up with Tyler Warren, but I think he'll be just as good. Like, he's unbelievable, you got to be a good blocker to play at Michigan and win the national championship, but you never saw his receiving skills

when he was in college. And I think we're just kind of getting to the surface of that as well. And then we know who DJ Moore is, you know, a couple more touchdowns for him yesterday. But Caleb Williams, I couldn't be more impressed than what he's doing. And then the defense side of the ball.

Dennis Allen. And I got to give a shout to Al Harris, too, because everywhere he goes, that secondary plays better and better. And the Sean Wright, this guy was on Minnesota's practice squad last year. Now he's tied with his teammate, Kevin Byer, leading the national football league. That's an unbelievable interception right there. He said he has a wide receiver in his background. I actually gave Antonio Brown, Tony Tootap, a shout out for this play.

But unbelievable play, and you mention it. It's not just the offense or just the defense. We always talk about teams taking on the identity of their coach and kind of playing complimentary football and one of these close ball games, and they've been doing it all year long, man. Caleb Williams already has the franchise record with fourth quarter comebacks.

Like, I can't say enough about the Chicago Bears team. I think they had a lot of injuries as well. This isn't like the full Chicago Bears team. And I have a chance to talk to obviously multiple Chicago Bears fans. Zito's living in high life. I assume they are very excited. A lot of stakes. He's getting stakes every Sunday because the Chicago Bears are getting big-time wins.

We also have another friend who lives in Los Angeles, but is a die-hard Chicago Bears fan. just the amount of, we're only getting better. We're getting guys back healthy. We don't even have any linebackers in the moment. We're only getting better at this time. They feel like, hey, we've been waiting a long, long time. And once you start to see those little sparks,

little sparks of that offense looking like Jared Gough and Caleb looked like Jared Gough. It's like, man, what Ben and Jared were able to do, first adding what Caleb can do into that with Ben Johnson knowing what Caleb can do. So now you got this type of shit happening, and he's the head coach of the team, so he's not leaving. So you can't, you don't have to be like,

scared that we're going to have massive success here with a young quarterback and he's going to be gone because that's what happens with good offensive coordinators. They end up leaving Ben Johnson, leave Detroit, goes to Chicago. So they could potentially only grow and grow and grow Andy Reid Patrick Mahomes type shit. And I don't want to like get cart before horse, but that's very real, I think, at this point. No, their offense with their weapons is awesome. You guys talked about it and you talked about DJ Moore. Everybody knows DJ Moore except for the Steelers defense that just let them run straight down the seam uncovered. But like it, they have guys that literally every single position. You talk about Loveland, like Colcomette's still there, too,

and the wide receivers that they have. And now with Monong guy, they have two backs and the O line is incredible. But yeah, the defense, all their linebackers were out. And then what? Jalen Johnson's been out for a while. They have another starting guy in the secondary who's been out for a while. When they get all those guys back, they're only going to get better. And they're winning games right now and learning how to win games right now. So that's, that is really, really good thing for them. Yeah, I, I, uh, hey, good for Chicago. Yeah, I'm believe it. Good for Chicago. And Caleb is going to be a guy right yeah we're all on that boat absolutely I was now I was always

never left where he was you are you are you are very much worse I was I was on boat like hey Caleb's Caleb's a guy Caleb's a guy Caleb's a guy and then I saw Ben Johnson and heard stories about Ben Johnson and then I saw the way it started and I was like oh this might not this might not work out here for Caleb in Chicago it might be another one of those stories of a guy having to find another home and then finding the right spot and doing his thing and then

the thought of Caleb just completely being able to transform how he thinks in a season, and then it being very much on display. Like you can literally just kind of watch it unfold in front of us. It's like, oh, no, they're only going to get better in this entire thing. I think it's a big lookout from the Chicago Bears to everybody. Now, we're just talking about the Rams. The Rams and McVeigh, Stafford and McVeigh are on like, you're what, eight of this now? Seven and eight of this offense being what it is, you know?

and they add Devante, it's like, that's what you're thinking here with the bears. It's like they're only, if Ben and Caleb are together, the other pieces around it are like, okay, this is sustainable. This is like kind of sustainable. And people are going to want to go there. You know what I mean? People are going to want to go to Chicago. Like the first thing you look at, you know, free agency, obviously after money is like,

okay, how's the quarterback? Do I have a chance to win? How's the head coach? Do I like the culture and everything we're seeing has been great? And we all heard a lot of things from Caleb Williams, saw a lot of things or people around his camp you hear different things and it's like okay ben jonson because we all know how the personalities have to mesh so i think that was a big question for a lot of people and i don't know maybe it's more i see like behind the scenes or

like miced up where it's like okay i didn't expect certain things from caleb willms that i'm seeing now and we all know he had the talent but it's so much more than talent that goes into and he feels like he has all those things as well and yesterday everything was on script like we know him for his off script stuff he didn't do any of that yesterday now that could have been because people were running wide open, but like everything was on. So what's going on with you guys, buddy? Steelers. They stink. What? They stink. No, they're six and five.

That's a fool's gaze. What? That's fools gold. Easy. Don't get into fools gold. Please. Don't be doing that. It's one of my favorite movies, Math Beconic. Shout up. That's something we're talking about, though. We are talking about two Max on a line, babe.

Pittsburgh Steelers, though, six and five. There's been multiple years. now where the Pittsburgh Steelers have had successful records, good records, and Steelers fans have openly set into microphones that people are listening to and amongst the entire city and Steelers fan base itself, this team ain't good enough to win anything. This is fake. That's how Steelers fans feel. If it doesn't look like it can win a Super Bowl, Steelers fans immediately know and they're looking for a reason to talk shit about you. And that is kind of where we've been with the Steelers team for a few weeks, certainly after the way yesterday looks.

it sounds yeah and and the defense like the we talked about there was a month ago it's like all the defense is the worst and then there was three or four weeks where they were getting getting better and then they regressed yesterday everybody was riding running wide open to those Steelers fans that said Mation should be a starting quarterback you guys are idiots I just want to say that out there I think Aaron probably would have won the football game yesterday but no it just everything's disjointed we just showed Caleb throwing all those seam routes and everything over the middle they don't throw over the middle because there's a chance and interception happens And then third and five

They just let wide receivers run wide open at five yards Because they're afraid of getting beat for something worse Like it's like you play the safest brand of football Magible because that's how you try to You try to win football games And that's not how you win football games these days Yeah, it's also tough to watch as a fan If you told me, I had a coach tell me

We're just trying to get one point more than the other team Exactly, yes Hmm Can we try to get 30 more than the other team? That would be a lot better It would be a lot better life for all of us If we were trying to do that But that is a mindset

that, hey, we play winning football, we play winning football. It should work out. Well, the Bears are playing winning football. They're both 500. It's twice, six and five. It could be worse. Tied for first. Yeah, still tied for the league.

Got it. Got it. The Ravens. Yeah, they didn't play their best game. You guys got it. Go to the playoffs. The bucks were like six and five when they won the Super Bowl, right? With Brady in that first year?

That's right. So we can still do it. That's right. Good point. There we go. Think about the Giants story back in the game. Yeah. They're going to fire a lot.

Nine and seven and they won the Super Bowl. Boom. hope. I hate it. Especially when you're watching this team, it looks like. Yeah, because he hasn't had it for a few weeks, hasn't he? No. And the fan that he was talking about being an idiot was himself. No.

That's a thing that just happened. That's good accountability. And even when they had it, the Ravens were still favorite to win the division. Remember, we're all like, what the hell's going on? Yeah, four-eight lead or something. Yeah, the Ravens. Sports books are like. Full Gates.

That's what they're saying. All right, let's move on to the next headline. line, shall we? Ladies and gentlemen, number three coming out of the week 12, NFL Sunday slate. Although not all these teams won, okay? There were some super duper special teams, wasn't there? There were some magical things that happened around. How about Evan McPherson? Money Mac of the Cincinnati Bengals, they would go on to lose to the Patriots by six, but McPherson would hit a 63 yarder in Cincinnati in November. A lot of long sleeves on, obviously, out and around there, cold time. Cincinnati, obviously very windy. 63 just becoming like a casual day in the

NFL these days. Congrats to him. Let's continue with the long balls. Will Reichard here from the Vikings out of Alabama, as we all recall. He has four kicks of 59 yards or plus this season. That's the most ever. And that was one in Lambo. That thing hooked at the end. He played the wind beautifully. This kid's seemingly money from everywhere. The Vikings would go on to lose to the Green Bay Packers, but it was still great kick. He scored all their points. And that was kind of, you know, like, I mean, it's massive when you have a struggling offense like that, And you can confidently put a guy out there and say, like, hey, this guy, he will be good from 59 to 60. So, yeah, I mean, he was the best player on the field for them yesterday.

And they have a dome. So him doing that in Lambeau, obviously good for him. And nine struggling, nine struggling. He stinks. He stinks, unfortunately. He needs a little bit of help, obviously. And I don't think it's right to put it all on him. But boy, just we talked about it from what they were last year to what they look like this year.

I kind of, I almost feel bad for nine because they just, may have no chance to win when he's playing, really. And I know he won a couple weeks ago, but when he plays like he did yesterday, shit, they'd have a tough time beating Michigan this year. Well, Michigan's getting good. Obviously, big on this weekend. They are.

In Ohio State this weekend, can't wait to be up in Ann Arbor. Hembo sent us some stats here. Justin Jefferson, whatever he's being targeted under Kirk Cousins, had a 109.8. Sam Darno, 108.1, J.J. McCarthy, 47.4. I think that was rude. There was other quarterbacks, too. Hembo decided not to leave out like the pastron on.

Yeah, Joe Webb. Carson, Way. That's not necessary as well. Yeah, there's a lot of contacts, he's saying. Yeah, Hempos got stats and ideas, and there's a lot of people saying that about nine, but Will Riker, absolute dog. Let's go to a big time return in a losing effort once again.

It doesn't matter we shouldn't talk about it. Chimare D.K. takes one, 88 yards against the Seahawks. Now, there's not a lot to celebrate with the Tennessee Titans, okay? The brand kind of stinks right now. Nobody really trusts ownership to make the right decisions. They don't have a coach, but they have a special moment here, which I'm already taking it to the crib. In My Cause, Mike Cleats, one of his friends who passed away from cardiac arrest,

had a foundation starter here, Kyle Lermer, Memorial Fund, and raising money in that front. So him running with his friend literally on his feet, I think, was a very cool moment. That's a sweet moment. Obviously, Dixon doesn't love it, the punter for Seattle. He hits a monster ball. It comes back. But that was a cool moment.

Like, as I learned a story, I almost got, like, pretty emotional about it because there's not a lot going right for Tennessee. That going right felt like it was a little bit of a thing. Congrats to him. That's big time of turn. Let's go to another big ball. How about Jake Bates in a winning effort from the Detroit Football Lions, the brand new lions. Look at this kick from the back here. The old lions, this ball would not be going in.

New lions, the brand new lions, this ball goes in. look at the snap great hold phenomenal by fox who slice come back home 59 yard now that is the perfect depiction of the old lions versus the new lion amen old lions that thing hits the upright at least and doesn't go in so loud new lions that thing kind of sneaks in doesn't even touch the uprights because they don't want to celebrate or ruin the moment 59 yards here from the greatest uxFL super duper football league alum in the history of the league. Yep, without a doubt. What a stud there. He's former super duper Detroit. Michigan Panthers.

There it is. The U.X.FL. They're doing good over there. Hey, come on. One more balls better. When they cranking up? I think there's a new league coming. They pay their QBs, maybe.

The Michigan Panthers no longer exist. What? Yeah, I'm sorry to say that. Didn't they fire all the GMs? They did. There will be one man who oversees all of the football ops, essentially, for the league. So they're kind of going back.

to what the original x was correct yeah they need to put the x back into football this guy's got it figured out i'm sure of it's got to the last one actually let's go to the highlight of all the highlights a special team's highlight that needs to be watched for all of time five minutes left tie game fourth quarter got to come out and punt returner catches it on his one thank you sir for doing that now we have a chance of coverage oh shit fombo long snaper on the ball first and goal from the six they were once down 21 points now in the fourth quarter on a special team's play. A special play happens. Looking to Elijah Clark. Now, it's been shown a thousand times. We feel obligated to show it once again

because there is a point that I have versus other people. As I was watching this highlight take place, they were showing Elijah Clark's effort here as Sidney Brown pushes him around. Great effort by Sidney Brown too. Anytime you get a body on the floor on a return, that's good news. Elijah Clark refused to be denied. Continue to chase. Continue to fall. Oh, helmet to the ball. Fumbla Laya! Go ahead and try to get some points. Now, that type of effort, it cannot be taught.

That type of effort only comes from the soul of an absolute dog. Elijah Clark is everything that is great with football, with special teams football. As I'm watching it, as a former punter, I'm thinking to myself, yes, this is the man or ten of the dudes that we need. and I appreciate the fact that the entire NFL world, even the folks that weren't a part of special teams, were like, hey, the reason why you should be respecting what's going on, this guy was the best football player everywhere he's ever been. Elijah Clark walks onto the field.

Holy hell, Elijah Clark's here. I assume since he's like eighth grade. I assume since like eighth, seventh, eighth grade, he's been the best player on the field. Then it gets to the NFL, hey, the way you're going to make this team is by playing something you've never played before. You're going to have to run blindly down the field and try to cover somebody. How far is the run?

Well, Anger's got a huge leg. so maybe 60, 70-yard run and then also you're going to have to go across the field. And then what else is going to happen? Well, you're going to get blindsided, push, and then there's going to be people trying to get you out of there. Yeah, so what's the end game? Well, maybe you might possibly make the tackle.

Only one person can make the tackle, but hopefully you'll be able to do it. So for him, superstar to buy into that and all the other guys that buy into special teams, it's the backbone of what football is, which is why we try to save special teams at every single turn. There's a lot of guys that only have jobs

because of special teams. There's a lot of football plays that get made that are so special to football that if they were to not exist anymore, it would hurt the game. This is one of them. Elijah Clark, absolute dog. God, give me that guy.

Give me, could you imagine this guy was your gunner and you were a punter? Oh, man. Amazing. And Debutt, I think we were talking about this earlier. This is being shown by everybody. This would be shown in every special team. Probably team meeting rooms

because you mentioned a large chunk of the roster. This is how you make teams. This is how you stand in. league. And for me, honestly, I wasn't cut out for this shit. I was not made for special teams and I realized that very early on in my NFL career. Fortunately, I was drafted high enough to where I could sabotage some of these special teams drills early and kind of get buried on all the bottom of the gunner depth chart. So I did do what Sidney Brown's doing and I did do some returning early on. But this shit right here, like there's football games. You can play

50 snaps on defense. One special teams rep, like a punt rep or a kickoff rep, a old kick. kickoff rep, old kickoff rep. Those reps, probably like 12 to 14 defensive snaps as far as the physical and mental tolls it takes over you. Because it is every guy out there's, it feels like they're battling for their job and their NFL and their professional life. And it's just a different breed. And this is a perfect example of that. And this was a winning play. It was very, very nice of you to show all those great efforts from those losing teams. But this is an unbelievable player in a winning effort for a winning team. Great play. It was a winning effort, but all. It was a winning effort. But all. It was a winning effort. Obviously, they don't do anything when they go four, four times. They don't get a turnover on down. So they should ruin it. But it was, hey, unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yes.

Which goes to the number two headline. Ladies and gentlemen, the Cowboys. Mm-hmm. Comeback, corrals the Eagles. A lot of different ways to use the C-words in this particular title. We landed on this one. The Cowboys Comeback, Carous the Eagles, strictly because it was Philadelphia Eagles night. It was their night.

Jailer Hertz was bopping around, scoring. and touchdowns. AJ's shoes and cleats look so awesome out there. Devante's making big time place. Siriani's living the high life down in Jerry World.

Hello and welcome to the show. We are your Super Bowl champions. That's what it felt like. There were shots of Dak on the sideline taking his helmet off. And I actually thought to myself, maybe Dak isn't the guy that we've been talking about.

I remember just a week ago we're talking about the Dallas Cowboys holding Dak back. Yeah. You know, the conversation was always is Dak holding back to Cowboys. How come nobody's ever talked about the Cowboys holding Dak back?

That's where we were. And I watch the beginning of this game. I'm like, what idiot I would. This guy's face. That's not what it is at all. Boom. Fast forward to right before to half. Dak Prescott.

George Pickens. What a trade this was by Jerry Jones. Now, whenever D.K. Metcalf goes to Pittsburgh, we wondered if GP and D.K. We're going to be able to eat on the same offense. They were not. George Pickens goes to Dallas. Changes up his entire trajectory of his entire career on a contract here. Not only that touchdown.

Let's go 2114 and the fourth. George Pickens. Pickens, spectacular catch, which is kind of what he does. This is literally what he does. He'll go up and get it. He's fast. He has great football IQ, and he feels like he's at home with the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry Jones is at the stage of life where he just calls him George.

You know, we're very happy about George. Now, you know who else is happy about George? Dak Prescott, fourth quarter, 2114. Ah, John Elway, let me land on my neck and go absolutely apeshit here at Jerry World. 21, 21. Eagles can answer. There are Super Bowl champs. Jalen Hertz, make something happen. Saquan Barkley, MVP.

Oh, no! Fumbo! Oh, no. Dallas Cowboys recover. Now what are they going to do with it? Nothing. Now they punt. Send it down.

We just watch this. Elijah Clark says, don't worry about it, DEC. Don't worry about it, boys. He'll catch the punt at the one. Xavier Gibson, who is a very talented returner. Bad decision here leads to a worse outcome.

Dallas Cowboys get it first and goal on a seven in the fourth quarter. Five minutes left in the four. Oh, my gosh. They were down 21. All we need is Dak to just do something. Fourth in goal, Dak Prescott, that shotgun from the one and a half. Scanning, throwing, short, not going to do it. Turnover on downs.

Holy hell. How do you not get something done? Well, don't worry about it. Eagles won't either. Third and two sack by OSA. Oh, Diggie Zoo. friend of the program got paid absolute beast huge play the cowboys get the ball back deck prescott hits a couple then he finds george pickings once again to get into field goal range

and brandon obrey is he from the uxFL i think he's just from the streets actually i think he's from the football gods right he missed a kick earlier in the game we were all very confused he's gotten to that point where if he misses we have no idea what the hell's going on we all assumed he was going to make the game winner. He did. Congrats to the Cowboys getting a huge win. After seemingly a historic collapse by the Philadelphia Eagles, Debutt, your talking point from this game, Dak and Dallas, very durable and tough, or Philadelphia Eagles, this is exactly who we thought they were. A little bit of both. I still have the utmost faith in the Philadelphia Eagles to figure it out, but for the Cowboys to come out there, be down, you know, Shottie said it after

the game. Yeah, we might have spotted them 21. You can't win in the game in any other quarter but the fourth quarter. And that's what the Cowboys did. Dack Press guy has been dominant, especially at home against his divisional opponents. He's been unbelievable. When to go out, we talked about championship defenses coming to this game. This is what we felt about the Eagles. And I still think they'll figure it out. But George Pickens, man, him coming over here. And the way that they use him in this offense compared to what they used, how they used them in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, he was basically just a shot guy at the X. Now he's running across the middle. He's getting matched up on slot defenders. He's on the outside. He's on the inside. And right now he's

wide receiver one in Dallas. And I think after this season, it looks like he'll probably be the highest paid wide receiver in the National Football League. I don't know if it'll be in Dallas because of what they paid the CD. But he is that type of talent. He's just unbelievable a go-to guy that you can throw the ball anywhere around and three is going to come down with it. Yeah, you talk about three. You need money. Well, Jerry will figure that out, won't he, Ty. Yeah, I think it's time we maybe give Jerry a little bit of credit. You know, people have been killing him all year. But I think this is one of the rare instances where you look at the Micah Parsons trades and like both teams won that

trade. Packers got what they needed. Cowboys early on this year, maybe not so much, but it enabled Jerry to kind of go and get Quinn and Williams. And their defense, I mean, we knew what their offense was very early on this year. It was hey, Cowboys are going to score 50 points a game to win. And, you know, now after the trade deadline, they have some of those pieces in place. And I think Jerry knew all along like, hey, there, there is a way that I can kind of remake this team during the, you know, during the season and people can keep talking about Micah, you know, and how big of a mistake that was. He's good. He's unbelievable. He is. But I think you could also argue that the Cowboys probably are better off, you know, without him with the guys they brought

in. So, yeah, I mean, if you're looking at everything right now, I think the Cowboys are one of those teams where, like, you don't want to play them right now with how their defense is playing. We know what their offense can do. And we'll see what happens on Thursday. That's a massive game. Hair looks amazing, Conmayne. Oh, thank you very much. I saw it there. It was shining. It was glistening. It looks unbelievable. Cowboys might be for real. And I know that sports media fans don't love that. And we might fall into sports media world.

21 point comeback, the way they do it. Shotty's wearing a backward visor in the thing afterwards. And George Pickens making these plays week in and week out. It's like... Nine for nine. Nine targets, nine catches. Filthy. Stafford started, what, 11 for 11? 12. 12.

Outrageous. All right. Number one. Go ahead. I was just going to say, I think there's also something very real about like playing for something bigger than everything with like after marshawn neelan passed away like you saw late in the game they're waving his flag we saw what happened against the raiders like that can galvanize an entire state almost you know and like cowboys nation and i think that's exactly what's happened yeah and you can also i mean obviously that certainly perspective and we're in this thing together for our guy here uh but also whenever micah gets traded away they're told they're

trash yeah exactly basically told it came away that's over there could be a lot of bunker mentality down there in Dallas. And the number one headline. What the hell? I don't like it because we know what this is supposed to be. Every time we've done this after a Colts win, number one has been the cultural win a Super Bowl. Well, turns out, maybe not.

Chiefs is still the Chiefs. And a lot of flags in this game. You know, we got a lot of them, a lot of good calls. I put out a tweet, a lot of flags, a lot of flags, is what I said. And I got a lot of people saying, but who's getting the calls? It's like we were actually getting the calls in Kansas City against Kansas City. I think that is something that should be talked about. But then we weren't, too, at times.

Tough to watch this game. Tough to watch this game. Especially early if you're a Colts fan. It looks easy. Michael Pittman Jr. takes a couple hits. Daniel Jones, there for some times. How you didn't want to have a good time? 7.3.

Let's go ahead and get it back. Well, Ashton Dool, an actually guy you probably never heard of. Stud for us. Great on special teams. Oh, yeah. And a weapon with his speed. Yeah, he's going to go for about 30, 40, 50. And then we're going to throw it to 6 foot 5,

265 pound Ogletree who has the sweet beat it's 143 in Kansas City got Tony Romo telling me this is DefCon 10 for the Kansas City Chiefs let's go to 20 to 9 fourth quarter. You're up 11 against the Chiefs. Oh, Kareem Hunt

he's going to score a touchdown. That's okay. That's all right. It's all right. They're going to do that. Two-point conversion out to make it a three-point game. Just got to get a stop. Oh, he's whined. No, no. Now listen, they weren't even able to do their play they were doing against us the entire game, which is just crossing riots. These dudes were just running crossing rights. We couldn't keep up with them.

Rashid Rice going one way. Xavier Worthy going the other way. Rashid Rice going one way. Xavier Worthy going. This is all they did. The whole game. The whole game. Mooney, sauce. We got them. We got two corners. Well, they're in track meets because they're

trying to keep up some of the fastest guys in the league running across the field. And Patrick Mahomes and the boys, get a field goal to tie it. We get the ball first. Zaire Franklin wins the toss, takes the ball first. Tony Romo immediately points out why he wouldn't do that, but I think I'm a ball first type guy. We go three and out.

What does Patrick Bahams do? Well, just like he did at the end of the fourth quarter worthy, cross around. I mean, it's just every time, every time. That's all. And here's Rashid Rice. Guess what's going to happen? What? Again, from the other side of the fucking field.

That's all they did the whole time. They just did it the whole time. It was very obvious, like, early. Like, oh, shit, we're not going to be able to keep up with these guys. They have track stars running across the field. And it's like, this is what Patrick Mahomes and this Chief's team can be whenever they have healthy and explosive weapons. I think that's what they've shown in the past.

Feels like the coach ran into that. Harrison Bucker not only hits the game tire that, the game tire that he kicked at the end of the fourth quarter, they got the ball like their four-yard line. Yep. And they drove that thing for four minutes and 30 seconds right down the field against us. And then they kicked that game tire. And then obviously we knew once they got the ball in overtime, oh,

here we go again. This patch bombs and the chiefs are still the chiefs.