The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1458 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 12 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys overreact to everything that happened in week 12 of the NFL season that saw another weekend of chaos and some incredible games, before previewing tonight’s Monday Night Football game, and going through some of the biggest overreactions from the internet. Joining the show to give some of the most pertinent injury updates from Sunday’s games is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter. Next, ESPN NFL analyst/inside/host, host of the Schrager Hour podcast, Peter Schrager joins the progrum to give his biggest takeaway’s from week 12 and look ahead to the Thanksgiving slate of games. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humbley Bowl, the Thunderdome, on this massive overreaction Monday. November 24, 2025, this sports program begins now. Football! It is magical, and the week 12 NFL Sunday slate delivered in a huge way. Not only do we have multiple overtime games now, my team suffered in overtime to the Kansas Chiefs, and we are certainly going to have to talk about that, because low, low, And behold, maybe the Chiefs is still the cheese.

That might be one of the top five headlines we roll into, but there's multiple overtimes. There's a huge comeback in a star-studded game, and then last night we got a chance to watch a goat do a goat thing and absolutely demolish somebody. Now, tonight, Carolina Panthers travel all the way out to San Francisco to take on the 49ers in Santa Clara, California. Sorry, not San Francisco.

Seven and a half point spread. The Carolina Panthers with Rico Dowdo, who's been one of the special stories of this NFL season. Who is this guy? Where did he come? from well he's actually a machine he's traveling to take on the niners the niners look at brock back that offense is a wagon actually it's evolved since the old gold mine in 49er days it's not a wagon this thing is a trick no it's a bullet train no this thing is a hypersonic plane to london which is

going to transform the way the entire world operates that is what the niners offense looks like whenever Brock Purdy's back in control, which he is. Tonight, we wrap up week 12 in a huge way. The toxic table is here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer died. Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone, obviously a lot of things happened around the NFL

yesterday. How did the public fair? Did we finally start beating the sports books or what? I wish I could tell you yes. That is not the case. I went through it this morning. Teams that were getting 60% or more of the bets yesterday were 2, 7, and 1 against the spread. So,

No, no, we have. You're worse? We stink again. Okay, so maybe we're not seeing the board. Maybe the more we see, the less we know. Some more. What do you mean by that? Like, I assume there's some people that had a really good picks this week, but as a majority, no.

Yeah, well, A.J. Hawke actually had an incredible weekend. We'll see if that continues this evening. I think you got nine, right? Yeah, you went nine, three, and one. Pretty good? I went six, six, one. Nine three and one. Yeah, I feel good about where I'm at, actually.

as I was reading the graphic here to see how I did, because me and AJ both forget exactly who we're aware, and there's other bets being made, obviously, throughout the weekend. So 6-6-1, I was like, oh, bad, and I go over to age. I'm like, age, you're seeing it right now? 9-3-1. Now, is it a feeling? Is it a lurking feeling?

What are we reading? What are we not? We shall dive into it all. Nine-year NFL vet who looks incredibly cool. D. Burtz, what's your big takeaway from the weekend, do you think? Good football, back, meaningful football. A lot of good football, a lot of records, been broken. A lot of close games, so I guess that's my big takeaway so far in the week 12th.

Well, it's meaningful football now, too. Very meaningful. Every loss can change a career. Every win can save a season. It's meaningful football time. Truly. And that means we here need to do a sale for that. Okay.

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they're ready for the excitement if you are as well. Store.com. We appreciate the hell out of you. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to dive into the top five headlines coming out of week 12 with the NFL Sunday Slate. We said, uh, we want to do something each week that maybe has a little bit of real. A little bit of rhyme, a little bit of structure. What are they doing? Football games with that? Oh, that's called the first 15. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our first 15.

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Top five headlines coming out of Week 12 Sunday Slate. state number five who's league it's looking like rams league heard that a lot last night whose house rams house whose house rams house felt loud felt like the rams faithful of kind of i don't want to say finally but the rams faithful taking over that entire building now whenever they go out to los angeles you have no idea what's going to happen how's this going to go is the franchise going to be able to be exciting enough and electrifying enough to steal the attention of the people that live in l.a and with the rams are they going to be good enough then they win the Super Bowl in SoFi, in their own stadium, in their own city. And then they go all

in, basically, for that team. They sent a bunch of draft picks out there, you know? And GM actually quoted saying, fuck them picks, you know? That's kind of everywhere. We need to win right now in a brand new city. And somehow, from that era to what they're doing right now, they've been able to continue to turn over the dominance. They've got a young defense that's everywhere. And they got a quarterback who was drafted in the same class as me and B. But he was pick number one. I was picked 222. He was picked number one. Derrish J. Butler was picked 41. Oh, Jabie.

DeBud. That's old CBA for Matthew Stafford and for Darius J. Butler. But what this guy is doing this year is outrageous. He's the MVP odds on favorite. And every time he's on prime time, he's doing the shit that he's doing, especially with Devante, which Dibut's going to get into here in a matter of moments. But every time he gets out on TV and showcases what he's

able to do at this current stage of his career with dudes like Pooka Nakua, who DeVonte Adams said, he's like, this is the greatest vibe of all time. Pook and Akua, all positive, always energetic, also impossible to tackle an incredibly tough, kind of sets a tone for everybody in the building. And oh yeah, you've got an O.G. Devante Adams in that building. And oh, yeah, Matthew Stafford's playing better football than he's ever played. Devante Adams just passed Jimmy Graham for the most one-yard touchdowns of history of NFL.

Congratulations, Devonte. Let's go. Is that real? Congrats. Fifteen of them. You know, Jerome Bettis is on that list. You know, Jerome Bettis had that run with the Pittsburgh Steelers where basically they would walk it all the way down the field to get to the one. instead of the tush push, it was the bus hush. He just kind of ran it in for a touchdown. I think it was Fast Willie Parker. Parker got all the yards and had like no touchdowns.

Why don't you have any touchdowns? Well, any time we get inside of five. That bussy's territory. Yeah, you have like three touchdowns, two yards in a couple different games. You're talking about one-yard touchdowns. Gronk had this situation. Obviously, whenever they were down on the goal line with Tom Brady, they would just flank Gronk out there one-on-one.

And if you sent one person out there, okay, well, that's a two-way go for Gromkran. Now, if you send two people out there, what happens to the box? Well, obviously, we're able to hammer it. It's an unstoppable offensive weapon, if you have it. Devante's get-off, they say he's better than anybody. So not only do you have the best get-off, you also have a quarterback that never misses. This dude never misses. And then on the defensive side, they're only giving up 16.3 points a game or something like that.

That's a fewest in the NFL. This is the first time ever. The odds on favor of the MVP has had a defenseist dominant, ever. So whenever you talk about who's league, it's starting to feel like we might be talking about the Rams League. Is that how you're seeing a debunk? Absolutely. You talk about it offensive league.

It always starts with the quarterback. A lot of questions about Matt and his health coming into this season. So for him to be playing like this now is unbelievable. And then everyone around him, obviously we know his head coach to play caller, Sean McVeigh. He's great. They got a good running game. The O-line has been keeping him clean. Whenever you have a quarterback, you know, that's up in age.

We mentioned being drafted in 2009. You want to keep him clean. You want to keep it upright. And they've been doing a great job of that. And it's Devonte Adams. get into that area, like his release game, even out here, like his release game off the ball, I mean, Chad Ocho Cinco, Stevie Johnson, and Devante Adams will be at the top of that list. Like he's so smooth out in the field when you get to that area, low red area, slants, phase, all of it.

And then Puka, he's everywhere. He does everything. It's unbelievable. Do you think because Sean McVeigh was a wide receiver, he has seen himself and he said, if I had Devante's release, I would just, on the goal line, and we just flank him out. out there. You got Pook on the other side. He got Parkinson's, you got all these other weapons that obviously the Rams have in abundance. But if they're one-on-one out here, Sean McVease thinking in his head, if I had Devante's release, that's a two-way. Do you think that is an advantage for wide-receiver relationships when the head coach play caller is a wide receiver? I think that always helps. And it's part of, I mean, even when, like, he's always going to

get the most out of his weapons. Even when Odell Beckham came over that year that you mentioned when they went on the Super Bowl, he would just isolate Beckham on that side of the field. And that was while, you know, Cooper Cup was winning the Triple Crown, but he would get the best out of both guys and putting them in their situation to be productive. And on the opposite side of Duvante is Puka. And Puka is moving everywhere. He dominates in the interior of the field. He'll insert through a B or C gap and run a route down the field.

He's tough. He came on the show and say, hey, look, I'll never be the guy that's been run out of balance or turn down contact. You talk about his vibes on and off the field. But you put the ball in number 12's hand. He's going to make something special happen damn every time. And then defensively, you mentioned it. Rarely do we see an offense like this pair of.

up with the championship level defense, but Chris Shula has the boys rolling. The front four is the best in the league, in my opinion. And then guys on the back end really making a name for themselves this year. Kenchins, who had two picks last week. Kobe Durant had a pick last week. Now he has a pick six this week. And Emmanuel Forbes Jr., I think he was targeted seven times and didn't give up a catch, which he was a washout in the commanders.

What happened on the mayor? He's super skinny, right? Yeah. I mean, he's still a slim guy, and I don't think he'll always be a slim guy. But the reason you rarely see a guy that small get drafted in the first round. The reason he did was because of his skill set and how dominant he was at Mississippi State. And now you just see confidence. Confidence is everything at any position.

When you're a quarterback having that in life, when you have that confidence, you're in the system. You have a coach that believes him. You have players around. You're that are great. This is what you see when you go to a new place. And we always say, hey, maybe this guys need a fresh start. That's a great example of this right here. To your point, D. Butt is from next-gen stats.

Emmanuel Forbes faced seven targets and did not allow a single. reception against the Buccaneers. And remember this Buccaneers offense, really good. What, uh, what's going on? He, so it seemed early he was reaching. Yeah, it looks bad. Yeah, it was reaching for his arm, but they let him play. So it felt like it was happening early. If he had a broken anything up there, like collarbone, I don't know if they let him play. I don't want to diagnose anything, but it feels like something with the AC joint. I'm not hurt and sure just the way he was reaching for it. Incredibly painful. I mean,

like one of the most painful things. How many times he sat before? This, like, he was under, under duress. That we saw in prime time when Josh Allen was running for his life against that Houston Texan defense, it kind of seemed very similar against this Rams front. So whatever he came into the season dealing with, it definitely didn't help facing a, what would they call him? James, geez, what an incredible, I mean, that was good.

That was really good. I appreciate that. But, like, what we're trying to say is he was reaching immediately to here. It feels like that's probably a very real thing he was playing through last night. Obviously, is Baker playing his best football? Is the offense playing their best football? Is anybody going to be able to play their best football against this Rams defense? I think that is the big question.

And Shula was getting a lot of face time last night. Chris Hula, as he should, because how dumb it they were. This Buccaneers' offense is good. Oh, yeah. This is a very good Buccaneers offense that they did that, too. We're like four weeks away from, or sorry, we're four weeks removed from basically saying Tampa Bay was going to the Super Bowl. I mean, they had everything in the Bucks, or sorry, the Rams made him look basically

incompetent on offense. and you're talking about Godwin was back. They weren't as hurt. One thing, and I'm hoping this doesn't happen, just because I would like my team to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Donald needs to come back and just play 10 snaps a game with this D-line. And I don't care if he is even just on the sideline in Pat's just hyping the guys up, kind of telling him, hey, that's a great dance move.

Maybe you can do this to make it a little better. But he was on game day last week, two weeks ago, whatever, and he looks just as jacked as he did when he was playing. Now he probably needs a little time to get into game shape. even put on a couple pounds. I don't think so. He might be able to play middle line back. That's what I, just like Jage.

Yes. Like J.J. Watt, we kind of experienced his first year of retirement with him. If you do a recall weekly, we were joining him. And that dude just didn't understand like, hey, you're not still in the NFL. He was still getting under the squat rack every single morning running sprints. You remember he was running sprints and doing cardio and everything. And I don't know if Aaron Donald's doing all of that stuff. I'd assume yes, though.

I would assume that he would be doing those things. And then we saw him like, I mean, it got threw me with a pinky. Yeah. The guy threw me with the thing. He trained with knives. And whenever you talk about that front, you drop Aaron Donald in it. And once again, we have no inside information on whether or not Aaron Donald wants to go back. Aaron Donald's enjoying hell out of his life, I think.

And he's earned it. And he goes, 10 years, eight all pros, 10 pro bowls, one of Super Bowl, three defensive MVP's. I feel like I did pretty, I feel like I had a pretty good career. You certainly did. You certainly did. You worked your ass off for all those things. but he was in the building last night. Yep.

And I'm assuming he gets excited watching the way that defense plays. Yeah, I think you get out there and play right now if you wanted to. I'm not sure if you guys heard them talking about. They've said it a few times with Jared Verst when he went and worked out with him. And he was like, you know what, Aaron?

Don't call me. I'll call you to say it was the hardest shit he ever experienced. And that's him post-N-FL career. So I'm sure 9-9 can still get in there and dominate. Congrats on Rams fans. Yeah. It's a good life right now. Right now, it's very good.

And how long's Matthew Stap? ever going to play, especially if he's hopping into that tube of live foreverness. Yeah, the immortal chamber. Yeah, what was that thing called? Mortal cryo chamber of life. It's amoral instead of immoral, so I don't know what the difference is.

Well, because he's an alpha. It's a moral, maybe. Maybe it's a hard A on that. Yeah. Whatever the case, he looks good. They also have the number 11 picks still, so. Who was calling the game? There it is. Am moral. Am moral.

and moral advertise itself as a wellness device that aims to optimize human performance and promote holistic health through a combination of non-invasive technologies. It worked. Yeah, this guy's fucking unbelievable. We saw him walk into this thing, then we saw him walk out of that thing,

and now we're getting a season we're getting right now. That's a good question. Don't do this. We talked to him about this, didn't we? Yeah, we did. We talked to someone about it. He said, McCloin's doing pretty good this year,

and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Mr. White Teeth right there. Yeah, McCloan would say that. admit that? He looks good, too. Oh, yeah. Great. Looks young.

Even with the beard. And he's the arms. He's not getting hit either. He could play another five, seven years. Like the body that's playing out there has actually never been hit before this year. I mean, doesn't it? I mean, he is a little too spry. The touchdown of Parkinson, obviously, every week.

I also never saw those calves until his show either. Oh, he was hiding him maybe because he's a humble man. Did he get new legs? Well, it does appear maybe from knees down because those calves. But once again, we don't really. know because he's never really heard from other than miced up situations with NFL films when he was in

Detroit just getting murdered and then throwing awesome passes. Detroit was so stinky. So stinky. So stinky. But they had Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford so you were kind of forced to pay attention to him. You know, like we're all forced to pay attention to that team because they were doing records and I mean, Devante's on

his, he's on a record breaking pace right now. Already did last night. Jumped top 10, top 9, top 8, whatever the number is in touchdowns. Congratulations. Already only has one less touchdown as a rim, one behind Puka. Puka has 13, he has 12. Yeah, it's been a hell of a year. That's not.

And I'll tell you what, whenever you find the cheat code on goal line offense and you don't need everybody on your team to get accordioned, you know, like the tush push does, that's a really nice thing. The offensive line loves that DeVante Adams has a one-on-one on the outside. You know who else loves that? Running back to, well, running back may want to touchdown. Everybody else loves it. that it's happening out there. And all Matthew Stafford has to do is what?

Just the thing that he's the best in the world at? Just put it into a bucket. Okay. No problem. And then Devante's like, wait until you guys see the shit I worked on in the summer. It's actually a triple fucking. That's all, he's just crossing dudes up. Yeah.

So what's the hardest? You don't know where he's going? Because he doesn't use his hands either. Yeah, they're just down. His hands are like down. It's like very interesting. What is the hardest part about his get off? Everybody talks about his get off his get off.

It just, to me, it looks like he just shakes the shit out of somebody. Honestly, on that one, That one, that was inexcusable by McCullin because you have help inside there at Winfield, and he's so close. And he had outside leverage. Yeah, I'm sure they go. At this point, like, hey, we're talking about it. 17, we're down here. You got to guard half a man.

It's like Des Bryant used to be automatic down there at Romo when they got there. He was going to throw the back short of fade regardless of what was happening. But if you're a corner, you got to be able to guard half a man at least. So you take away half. But if you're one-on-one just on an island and he has a two-way going on you, you want to initially take away leverage. but a veteran like him, even if he sees out inside leverage, he'll probably set you up and still try to take it away. So

when you have that two-way going, you've done it as much as he has done it, and then you have a quarterback that can actually be on the same page and hit you, it's damn there unstoppable. Yeah, because Stafford's not missing. Exactly. Like, we'll see sometimes those opportunities where a ball will be a little too far, land out of bounds, be a little short, we'll get batted off to somebody's

back or something like that. I think there was a situation last night with Dak and CD, obviously, we'll talk about that here in a matter of moments, about where CD thought the ball is going versus where it actually went. Now, granted, it won't right through his arms, so he thought was going back corner. It's like, Stafford seemingly always puts it right to the place that everybody wants.

Exactly. That's why you're talking about ball spinners, bro. Got it. Absolutely got it. Could do it forever. Let's go to the top four headline now. We're talking about the bear necessities. The stinking bear necessity.

Hey, the bears, the kings of the north. This is real. Big down. Hey, just the top team coming in. Well, Pittsburgh Steelers When Mason Rudolph, who by Steelers fans' own emissions Was fresh off a hot fourth quarter With this Steelers team

Maybe the guy who needs to lead to Pittsburgh Steelers To the Promise Land that they were hoping to go to this season Because Aaron Rogers fractured his left wrist Now the story going in was Is Aaron Rogers going to play against a team that he's the landlord of? Is Aaron Rogers going to play against Chicago Bears Maybe one final time in Chicago? He's got a fracture on his left wrist

Okay, he's obviously throws right hand He was trying to get in the game last week. He was allegedly trying to play this week for a number of reasons, not only because he's super competitive and he loves his Pittsburgh Steelers team, but also because he would like do one more. One more, and he's on Chicago. We found out that he was a fan of the Chicago sports team

because he watched WB growing up. It was one of his six channels, so he saw the Bulls, and he wasn't a fan of the Bulls, especially from Michael Jordan fan like I was. He loved the Cubs, and he loved playing against Chicago, obviously with the Packers, because it's a rivalry that he held in high regards. So we thought Aaron Rogers going there. Wasn't Aaron Rogers?

it was Mason Rudolph. And guess what? It didn't matter. Because what the Chicago Bears team is, real. Now, let me talk to you about what I like about Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson, what he was able to do at the Detroit Lions with Jared Goff. He turned Jared Goff, who is a robot, into a very, very, very, very efficient robot. Hey, this is what we need to do.

These exact steps, this exact play fake. The ball needs to be at this exact pinpoint. So we wondered, does Caleb Williams ever going to be able to buy into the Ben Johnson system? Well, for all that to happen, you need a lot of things. Need a great offensive line. they invest in the offensive. Oh, yeah. Need a great run game.

Okay, need a great run game. Okay, we're going to have a run game. This is if you look at what the Detroit lines had with Ben Johnson. Best offensive line, need a great run game. Then what do you need a quarterback that's able to do? Well, he needs to be able to hand that ball off to the running back, and then he needs to be able to play action to shit out of that defense. Because if you have a good play action,

and you have your back to the defense, back to the defense like this. Caleb Williams spent his entire life shotgun looking at everybody. Hey, Caleb Williams, you're the best athlete on the field. You need to have eyes on everybody, and if something doesn't work, make it work. That's what you need to do. Now they're asking, Caleb, for the success of this offense, for this offense to be as good, you have to take the ball, commit completely, turn your back to the defense. T.J. Watts on that defense.

Turn your back completely to the defense, sell this thing so that the linebackers can't move. These linebackers can't move. They can't do anything. They have no idea. And then back as soon as you turn, you need to know that the ball is going to go right to there, right to the seam. That's where you need to go. We don't need you thinking.

We just need you to turn your back. don't be scared to get hit in the face could happen and as soon as you turn around you need to just spin that thing you will catch the defense in a land that they don't want to be in you will have wide open guys everywhere and I'll tell you what yesterday against

Pittsburgh Steelers defense wide open guys everywhere the rhythm the timing the execution of an offense by Caleb Williams was very much on display 50 couldn't do shit right there 50 couldn't do a damn thing right there because he had no idea what Caleb was going to do back to the defense turns around

boom on a button see you later he has to know what the defense is doing pre-snap So Caleb has to know what the defense is kind of doing pre-snap because then he now he has to decide where he's going once he turns his back, back around. But he's making the right decisions. He's committed completely to the play action and their team's built to have success.

And then on defense's side, they just get turnovers everywhere. They get turnovers everywhere. Now, there's a couple stats that Hembo sent over to me about this Chicago Bears team. Okay? Last year in games that were decided by five points or less, 2024, they were one and six.

Okay? This year, they're six and one. in those games Chicago has a plus 12 turnover margin in those games so whenever you talk about not only are they winning the close games because they're seemingly a culture a moxie and aura good better best never let rest of goes better and better as best they have that defense getting the ball back for an offense that is going to become much much better this is the first step now I guess this would be the second step first step was like buying into the offense being good by Caleb second step starting to understand pre-snap what the defense is doing fully committing to play action. There's so much more, if you remember, what Ben Johnson and Jared Gough were able to do in Detroit. This is the fundamental basis of this offense is being able to do this off of play action.

Then all the other shit comes in. So whenever you talk about up into the right, it's like Caleb and Ben Johnson, if they were able to work, we're going to be maybe unstoppable. Seems like they're getting to the point where they are going to work, where we can confidently say that.

It's just how quickly do they become that absolute juggernaut that Detroit was? it might be soon. It is fun to watch what they're doing. Yeah, I think they're just scratching the surface. They're only 11 games in and you're sitting at 8 and 3. I don't think many people expected this. And Caleb Williams, when it's a high leverage situation,

I feel like that's when he's playing his best ball. And that's really, rarely you hear that for a young quarterback like him. So I think they're just scratching the surface with his offense. And yeah, it is a belief in the trust in something that you really haven't done your whole life. I would assume he ran a similar offense in high school and the gun. up-tempo, went to college, moved around the colleges, but did similar things. So to get to the National Football League, and now you're in the huddle, you've got to command the huddle, you've got to call plays, you've got to be under center, you've got to do play action,

and he's handling it great. He has young guys around him as well. I think Burden will continue to come along, who was their first round pick this year, another first round pick, Loveland. Obviously, a lot of people made a lot of noise because we ended up with Tyler Warren, but I think he'll be just as good. Like, he's unbelievable, you've got to be a good blocker to play at Michigan and win the national championship but you never saw his receiving skills when he was in college and i think we're just

kind of getting to the surface of that as well and then we know who dj more is you know a couple more touchdowns for him yesterday but caleb williams i couldn't be more impressed in what he's doing and then defense side of the ball dennis allen and i got to give a shout out to al harris too because everywhere he goes that secondary plays better and better and shan right this guy was on minnesota's practice squad last year now he's tied with his teammate kevin barrett leading the national football league and that's an unbelievable intercept right there he sent him he has a wide receiver and his background actually gave Antonio Brown, Tony Tootap

a shout out for this play, but unbelievable play, and you mention it. It's not just the offense or just the defense. We always talk about teams taking on the identity of their coach and kind of playing complimentary football and winning these close ball games and they've been doing it all year long, man.

Caleb Williams already has the franchise record with fourth quarter comebacks. I can't say enough about the Chicago Bears team. I think they had a lot of injuries as well. This isn't like the full Chicago Bears team, and I have a chance to talk to obviously multiple Chicago Bears fans. Zito's living a high life. I assume they are very excited. He's getting stakes every Sunday because the Chicago Bears are getting big time wins. We also have another friend who lives in Los Angeles, but is a

diehard Chicago Bears fan. Just the amount of, we're only getting better. We're getting guys back healthy. We don't even have any linebackers in the moment. We're only getting better at this time. They feel like, hey, we've been waiting a long, long time. And once you start to see those little sparks, little sparks of that offense looking like Jared Gough and Caleb looked like Jared Gough, it's like, man, what Ben and Jared were able to do. First, adding what Caleb can do into that, with Ben Johnson knowing what Caleb can do.

So now you got this type of shit happening, and he's the head coach of the team, so he's not leaving. So you can't, you don't have to be, like, scared that we're going to have massive success here with a young quarterback, and he's going to be gone, because that's what happens with good offensive coordinators. They end up leaving Ben Johnson, leave Detroit, goes to Chicago. So they could potentially only grow and grow and grow, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes type shit.

And I don't want to get cart before horse, but that's very real, I think, at this point. No, their offense with their weapons is awesome. You guys talked about it, and you talked about DJ Moore. Everybody knows DJ Moore, except for the Steelers defense that just let them run straight down the seam uncovered. But, like, they have guys at literally every single position. You talk about Loveland, like Colomet's still there, too, and the wide receivers that they have. And now with Monongai, they have two backs, and the O line is incredible. But yeah, the defense, all their linebackers were out.

And then what? Jalen Johnson's been out for a. while they have another starting guy in the secondary who's been out for a while when they get all those guys back they're only going to get better and they're winning games right now and learning how to win games right now so that's that is really really good thing for them yeah i uh hey good for chicago yeah good for chicago and caleb is going to be a guy right yeah we're all on that boat mm-hmm absolutely i was now i was always never left you were he was you are you are you very much I was. I was on boat like, hey, Caleb's a guy. Caleb's a guy. Caleb's a guy.

And then I saw Ben Johnson. It heard stories about Ben Johnson. And then I saw the way it started. And I was like, oh, this might not, this might not work out here for Caleb in Chicago. It might be another one of those stories of a guy having to find another home and then finding the right spot and doing his thing. And then the thought of Caleb just completely being able to transform how he thinks in a season. and then it being very much on display. Like you can literally just kind of watch it unfold in front of us. It's like, oh, no, they're only going to get better in this entire thing. I think it's a big lookout from the Chicago Bears to everybody.

Now we're just talking about the Rams. The Rams and McVeigh, Stafford and McVeigh are on like you're what, eight of this now, seven? Seven and eight of this offense being what it is, you know? And they add Devonte. It's like that's what you're thinking here with the Bears. It's like they're only, if Ben and. Caleb are together. The other pieces around it are like, okay, this is sustainable.

This is, like, kind of sustainable. And people are going to want to go there. You know what I mean? People are going to want to go to Chicago. Like, the first thing you look at, you know, free agency, obviously after money is like, okay, how's the quarterback? Do I have a chance to win? How's the head coach?

Do I like the culture? And everything we're seeing has been great. And we all heard a lot of things from Caleb Williams, just saw a lot of things or people around his camp. You hear different things. And it's like, okay, Ben Johnson, because we all know how the personality is have to mesh. So I think that was a big question for a lot of people. And I don't know,

maybe it's more I see like behind the scenes or like mic'd up where it's like, okay, I didn't expect certain things from Caleb Williams than I'm seeing now. We all know he had the talent, but it's so much more than talent that goes into it and he feels like he has all those things as well. And yesterday everything was on script. Like we know him for

his off script. He didn't do any of that yesterday. Now that could have been because people were running wide open but everything was on. So what's going with you guys, buddy? Stalers. It's pretty easy to do. They stink. What? They stink. No, they're six and five.

That's a fool gaze. What? That's fools gold. Easy. Don't get into fools gold. Please, don't be doing that. It's one of my favorite movies, Math Beconic. Shout up.

That's something we're talking about, though. We are talking about two Macs on a line, babe. Pittsburgh Steelers, though, six and five. There's been multiple years now where the Pittsburgh Steelers have had successful records, good records, and Steelers fans have open. said into microphones that people are listening to and amongst the entire city and Steeler

fan base itself, this team ain't good enough to win anything. This is fake. This is fake. That's how Steelers fans feel. If it doesn't look like it can win a Super Bowl, Steelers fans immediately know, and they're looking for a reason to talk shit about you. And that is kind of where we've been with the Steelers team for a few weeks certainly after the way

yesterday looks, it sounds. Yeah, and the defense, like, we talked about, there was a month ago, it was like, oh, the defense is the worst. And then there was three or four weeks where they were getting better and then they regressed yesterday everybody was running running wide open

to those Steelers fans that said Mation should be a starting quarterback you guys are idiots I just want to say that out there I think Aaron probably would have won the football game yesterday but no it just

everything's disjointed we just showed Caleb throwing all those seam routes and everything over the middle they don't throw over the middle because there's a chance in interception happens and then third and five

they just let wide receivers run wide open at five yards because they're afraid of getting beat for something worse It's like you play the safest brand of football imaginable because that's how you try to win football games. That's not how you win football games these days. It's also tough to watch as a fan. I had a coach tell me we're just trying to get one point more than the other team.

Exactly, yes. Can we try to get 30 more than the other team? That would be a lot better. It would be a lot better life for all of us if we were trying to do that. But that is a mindset. Hey, we play winning football. We play winning football. It should work out while the bears are playing winning football.

They're both 500. It's twice. Six and five. Right on schedule. It could be worse. Tied for the first. Yeah, still tied for the league. Got it.

Got it. The Ravens. Yeah, they even played her best game. Get away. You guys got it. Going to playoffs. The bucks were like six and five when they won the Super Bowl, right? With Brady in that first year?

That's right. So we can still do it. That's right. That's good point. There we go. Think about the Giants story back in the game. Yeah. Nine and seven and they won the Super Bowl.

Boom. Hope. I hate it. Especially when you're watching this team, it looks like. Yeah. Because he hasn't had for a few weeks, hasn't he? No. And the fan that he was talking about being an idiot

was himself. That's a thing that just happened, right? That's good accountability. And even when they had it, the Ravens were still favorite to win the division. Remember, we're all like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, four-eighthlead or something. Yeah, the Ravens won. Sportsbooks are like.

Fool games? That's all you what they're saying. All right, let's move on to the next headline, shall we? Ladies and gentlemen, number three coming out of the week 12 NFL Sunday slate. Although not all these teams won, okay? There were some super-duper. special teams, wasn't there? There's some magical things that happened around.

How about Evan McPherson, Money Mac of the Cincinnati Bengals? They would go on to lose to the Patriots by six, but McPherson would hit a 63-yarder in Cincinnati in November. A lot of long sleeves on, obviously, out and around there, cold time. Cincinnati, obviously, very windy. 63 just becoming like a casual day in the NFL these days. Congrats to him. Let's continue with the long balls.

Will Reichard here from the Vikings out of Alabama, as we all recall. he has four kicks of 59 yards or plus this season that's the most ever and that was one in lambo that thing hooked at the end he played the wind beautifully this kid seemingly money from everywhere the vikings would go on to lose to the green bay backers but it was still great kick he scored all their points and that was kind of you know like i mean it's massive when you have a struggling offense like that when you can confidently put a guy out there and say like hey this guy he will be good from 59 to 60 so yeah i mean he was there he was the best player on the field for them yesterday. And they have a dome, so him doing that in Lambeau, obviously good for him. Nine struggling. Nine struggling. He stinks. He stinks, unfortunately. He needs a little bit of help, obviously, and I don't think it's right to put it all on him, but boy,

just, we talked about it, from what they were last year to what they looked like this year. I kind of, I almost feel bad for nine, because they just, they have no chance to win when he's playing, really. And I know he won a couple weeks ago, but when he plays like he did yesterday, shit, they'd have a tough time beating Michigan this year. Well, Michigan's getting good. Obviously, big on this weekend. Ohio State this weekend. Can't wait to be up in Ann Arbor. Hembo sent us some stats here.

Justin Jefferson, whatever he's being targeted under Kirk Cousins, had a 109.8. Sam Donal, 108.1, J.J. McCarthy, 47.4. I think that was rude. There was other quarterbacks too. Hembo decided not to leave out like the Pastronaut. Yeah. Joe Webb. Carson, Way. That's not for context. There was necessary as well. Yeah. There's a lot of context, he's saying. Yeah, Hembo's got stats and ideas. And there's a lot of people saying that about nine, but Will Riker, absolute dog. Let's go to a big time return in a losing effort once again.

It doesn't matter we shouldn't talk about it. Chimare D-K takes one, 88 yards against the Seahawks. Now, there's not a lot to celebrate with the Tennessee Titans, okay? The brand kind of stinks right now. Nobody really trusts ownership to make the right decisions. They don't have a coach, but they have a special moment here with Chimare taking it to the crib. in my cause, my cleats, one of his friends who passed away from cardiac arrest had a foundation starter here, Kyle Lermer, Memorial Fund, and raising money in that front.

So him running with his friend literally on his feet, I think, was a very cool moment. That's a sweet moment. Obviously, Dixon doesn't love it, the punter for Seattle. He hits a monster ball. It comes back. But that was a cool moment. Like, as I learned a story, I almost got pretty emotional about it because there's not a lot going right for Tennessee.

That going right felt like it was a little bit of a thing. Congrats him. That's a big time of turn. Let's go another big ball. How about Jake Bates in a winning effort from the Detroit football lions, the brand new lions. Look at this kick from the back here. The old lions, this ball would not be going in. New lions, the brand new lions, this ball goes in. Look at the snap.

Great, hold, phenomenal by Fox. Slice! Come back home! 59 yard now that is the perfect depiction of the old lions versus the new line amen old lions that thing hits the upright at least and doesn't go in so loud new lions that thing kind of sneaks in doesn't even touch the uprights because they don't want to celebrate or ruin the moment 59 yards here from the greatest uxFL super duper football league alum in the history of the league yeah without a doubt what a stud there he's former uh super duper Detroit uh Michigan Panther

There it is in the UXFL. They're doing good over there. Hey, come on, one more balls better. When are they cranking up? I think there's a new league coming. They pay their QBs, maybe. The Michigan Panthers no longer exist. What?

Yeah, I'm sorry to say that. Didn't they fire all the GMs? They did. There will be one man who oversees all of the football ops, essentially, for the league. So they're kind of going back to what the original X was. Correct. Yeah, they need to put the X back into football. This guy's got to figure it out.

I'm sure of it. It's got in the last one. McLeod, actually. Let's go to the highlight of all the highlights. A special team's highlight that needs to be watched for all of time. Five minutes left, tie game, fourth quarter. Got to come out and punt. Returner catches it on his one.

Thank you, sir, for doing that. Now we have a chance of coverage. Oh, shit. Fombo, long snapper on the ball. First and goal from the six. Everyone's down 21 points now in the fourth quarter on a special team's play. A special play happens. Looking to Elijah Clark. Now, it's been shown a thousand times. We feel obligated to show it once

again because there is a point that I have versus other people. As I was watching this highlight take place, they were showing Elijah Clark's effort here as Sidney Brown pushes him around. Great effort by Sidney Brown. Anytime you get a body on the floor on a return that's good news. Elijah Clark refused to be denied. Continue to chase. Continue to follow. Oh, helmet to the ball. Fumble liar. Go ahead and try to get some points. Now that type of effort it cannot be taught. That type of effort only comes from the soul of an absolute dog. Elijah Clark is everything that is great with football, with special teams football.

As I'm watching it, as a former punter, I'm thinking to myself, yes, this is the man or 10 of the dudes that we need. And I appreciate the fact that the entire NFL world, even the folks that weren't a part of special teams, were like, hey, the reason why you should be respecting what's going on, this guy was the best football player everywhere he's ever been. Elijah Clark walks on to the field. Holy hell Elijah Clark's here. I assume since he's like eighth grade.

I assume since like eighth, seventh, eighth grade. He's been the best player on the field. Then it gets to the NFL. Hey, the way you're going to make this team is by playing something you've never played before. You're going to have to run blindly down the field and try to cover somebody. How far is the run? Well, Anger's got a huge leg, so maybe 60, 70-yard run. And then also you're going to have to go across the field.

And then what else is going to happen? Well, you're going to get blindsided, push, and then there's going to be people trying to get you out of there. Yeah, but, So what's the end game? Well, maybe you might possibly make the tackle. Only one person can make the tackle, but hopefully you'll be able to do it. So for him, superstar to buy into that and all the other guys that buy into special teams,

it's the backbone of what football is, which is why we try to save special teams at every single turn. There's a lot of guys that only have jobs because of special teams. There's a lot of football plays that get made that are so special to football that if they were to not exist anymore, it would hurt the game. This is one of them. Elijah Clark, absolute dog. God, give me that guy. Could you imagine this guy was your gunner and you were a punter? It would be amazing.

Indeed, but I think we were talking about this earlier. This is being shown by everybody. This would be shown in every special team. Probably team meeting rooms because you mentioned a large chunk of the roster. This is how you make teams. This is how you stay in the league. And for me, honestly, I wasn't cut out for this shit. I was not made for special teams.

And I realized that very early on in my NFL, where fortunately I was drafted high enough to where I could sabotage some of these special teams drills early and kind of get buried on all the bottom of the gunner depth chart so I did do what Sidney Brown's doing and I did do some returning early on but this shit right here like there's football games you can play 50 snaps

on defense one special teams rep like a punt rep or a kickoff rep old kickoff rep oh kickoff rep those reps probably like 12 to 14 defensive snaps as far the physical and mental tolls it takes over you because it is every guy out there's it feels like they're battling for their job in their NFL and their professional life and it's just a different breed and this is a perfect example with that and this was a winning play I know it was very very nice of you to show all those great efforts from those losing teams but this is an unbelievable

in a winning effort for a winning team a great great play it was a winning effort but obviously they don't do anything when they go four four four times and they don't get a turnover on down since She wrote it and she ruined it. But it was, hey, unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yes. Which goes to the number two headline. Ladies and gentlemen, the Cowboys.

Mm-hmm. Comeback, corrals the Eagles. A lot of different ways to use the C words in this particular title. We landed on this one. The Cowboys Comeback, Carous the Eagles, strictly because it was Philadelphia Eagles night. It was their night. J.ler Hertz was bopping around, scoring touchdowns.

AJ's shoes and cleats look so awesome out there. Devante's making big-time plays. Sirianni's living the high life down in Jerry World. Hello and welcome to the show. We are your Super Bowl champions. That's what it felt like. There were shots of Dak on a sideline taking his helmet off. And I actually thought to myself,

maybe Dak isn't the guy that we've been talking about. I remember just a week ago we were talking about the Dallas Cowboys holding Dak back. Yeah. You know, the conversation was always his Dak holding back to Cowboys. How come nobody's ever talked about the Cowboys holding Dak back? That's where we were. And I watched the beginning of this game. I'm like, well, this guy's not what it is at all.

Boom. Fast forward to right before the half. Dak Prescott, George Pickens. What a trade this was by Jerry Jones. Now, whenever D.K. Metcalf goes to Pittsburgh, we wondered if GP and D.K. We're going to be able to eat on the same offense. They were not. George Pickens goes to Dallas,

changes up his entire trajectory of his entire career on a contract here. Not only that touchdown. Let's go 2114 and the fourth. George Pickens, spectacular catch, which is kind of what he does. This is literally what he does. He'll go up and get it. He's fast.

He has great football IQ. And he feels like he's at home with the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry Jones is at the stage of life where he just calls him George. You know, we're very happy about George. Now, you know, who else is happy about George? Dak Prescott, fourth quarter, 2114, ah, John Elway. Let me land on my neck and go absolutely apeshit here at Jerry World. 21, 21, Eagles can answer.

There are Super Bowl champs. Jalen Hertz, make something happen. Saquan Barclay MVP. Oh, no! Fumbo! Oh, no. Dallas Cowboys recover. Now what are they going to do with it?

Nothing. Now they punt. Send it down. We just watch this. Elijah Clark says, don't worry about it, deck. Don't worry about it, boys. He'll catch the punt at the one. Xavier Gibson, he was a very talented returner. Bad decision here leads to a worse outcome. Dallas Cowboys get it first and goal on a seven in the fourth quarter.

the five minutes left in the four. Oh, my gosh. They were down 21. All we need is Dak to just do something. Fourth in goal. Dak Prescott, that shotgun from the one and a half. Scanning, throwing, short, not going to do it. Turnover on downs.

Holy hell. How do you not get something done? Well, don't worry about it. Eagles won't either. Third and two, sacked by Osa. Oh, Diggi Zua. Friend of the program, got paid, absolute beast, huge play. the Cowboys get the ball back

Dak Prescott hits a couple Then he finds George Pickens Once again to get into field goal range And Brandon Aubrey Is he from the UXFL? I think he's just from the streets Actually I think he's from the football gods He missed a kick earlier in the game

We were all very confused He's gotten to that point where if he misses We have no idea what the hell is going on We all assumed he was going to make the game winner He did Congrats to the Cowboys getting a huge win. After seemingly a historic collapse by the Philadelphia

Eagles, Debutt, your talking point from this game, Dack and Dallas, very durable and tough, or Philadelphia Eagles? This is exactly who we thought they were. A little bit of both. I still have the utmost faith in the Philadelphia Eagles to figure it out, but for the Cowboys to come out there, be down, you know, shoddy said it after the game, yeah, we might have spotted them

21, you can't win in the game in any other quarter, but the fourth quarter, and that's what the Cowboys did. Dack Press guy has been dominant, especially at home, against his divisional opponents. He's been unbelievable. When to go out, we talked about championship defenses coming to this game. This is what we felt about the Eagles, and I still think they'll figure it out. But George Pickens, man, him coming over here and the way that they use him in this offense compared to what they used, how they used him in Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh, he was basically just a shot guy at the X. Now he's running across the middle. He's getting matched up on slot defenders. He's on the outside. He's on the inside. And right now, he's wide receiver one in Dallas. And I think after this season, it looks like he'll probably be the highest paid wide receiver in the National Football League. I don't know if it'll be in Dallas because of what they paid the CD.

But he is that type of talent. He's just unbelievable a go-to guy that you can throw the ball anywhere around and three is going to come down with it. Yeah, you talk about three, you need money. Well, Jerry will figure that out, won't he time. Yeah, I think it's time we maybe give Jerry a little bit of credit. You know, people have been killing him all year. But I think this is one of the rare instances where you look at the Micah Parsons trades and, like, both teams won that trade. Packers got what they needed. Cowboys early on this year, maybe not so much, but it enabled Jerry to kind of go and get Quinn and Williams. And their defense, I mean, we knew what their offense was very early on this year. It was, hey, Cowboys are going to score 50 points a game to win. And, you know, now after the trade deadline, they have some of those pieces in place. And I think Jerry knew all along, like, hey, there, there is a way that I can kind of remake this team during the, you know, during the season. And people can keep talking about Micah, you know, and how big of a mistake that was.

he's unbelievable he is but i think you could also argue that the cowboys probably are better off you know without him with the guys they brought in so yeah i mean if if you're looking at everything right now i i think the cowboys are one of those teams where like you don't want to play them right now with how their defense is playing we know what their offense can do and we'll see what happens on thursday that's a massive game hair looks amazing conman oh thank you very much you know i saw it there it was shining it was glistening it looks unbelievable uh cowboys might be for real And I know that sports media fans don't love that, and we might fall into sports media world.

21-point comeback, the way they do it. Shottie's wearing a backward visor in the thing afterwards. And George Pickens making these plays week in and week out. It's like... Nine for nine. Nine targets, nine catches. Filthy. Stafford started, what, 11 for 11?

12. 12. Outrage. All right. Number one, go ahead. I was just going to say, I think there's also something very real about, like, playing for something bigger than everything with, like, after Marshawn Neeland passed away.

way like you saw late in the game they're waving his flag we saw what happened against the Raiders like that can galvanize an entire state almost you know and like cowboys nation and i think that's exactly what's happened yeah and you can also i mean obviously that certainly perspective and we're in this thing together for our guy here uh but also whenever micah gets traded away they're told their trash yeah exactly basically told it can't win that's over mentality there could be a lot of bunker mentality down there in Dallas in the number one headline I don't like it because we know what this is supposed to be.

Every time we've done this after a Colts win, number one has been the Colts are going to win a Super Bowl. Well, turns out, maybe not. Chiefs is still the Chiefs. And a lot of flags in this game. You know, we got a lot of them, a lot of good calls. I put out a tweet, a lot of flags, a lot of flags, is what I said. And I got a lot of people saying, but who's getting the calls?

It's like, we were actually getting the calls in Kansas City against Kansas City. I think that is something that should be talked about. but then we weren't, too, at times. Tough to watch this game. Tough to watch this game. Especially early if you're a Colts fan. It looks easy. Michael Pittman Jr. takes a couple hits.

Daniel Jones, there, some dimes. How you didn't want to have a good time? 7-3, let's go ahead and get it back. Well, Ashton, actually, guy, you probably never heard of. Stud for us. Great on special teams. Oh, yeah, and a weapon with his speed. Yeah, he's going to go for about 30, 40, 50,

and then we're going to throw it to 6-foot-5, 265-pound Ogletree, who has the sweet feet. It's 14-3. Kansas City got Tony Romo telling me this is DefCon 10 for the Kansas Chiefs. Let's go to 20 to 9 fourth quarter. You're up 11 against the Chiefs. Oh, Kareem Hunt, he's going to score a touchdown. That's okay. That's all right. They're going to do that. Two-point conversion out to make it a three-point game. Just got to get a stop. Oh, he's whined as to him. No, no. Now listen, they weren't even able to do their play they were doing

against us the entire game, which is just crossing routes. These dudes were just running crossing rats. We couldn't keep up with them. Risholing going one way. Xavier Worthing going the other way. Rishie Rice going one way. Xavier Worthy going the... This is all they did. The whole game. The whole game. Mooney. Sauce. We got them. We got

two corners. Well, they're in track meets because they're trying to keep up some of the fastest guys in the league running across the field. And Patrick Mahomes and the boys get a field goal to tie it. We get the ball first. Zaire Franklin wins the toss. Takes the ball first. Tony Romo immediately points out why he wouldn't

do that, but I think I'm a ball first. type guy. We go three and out. What does Patrick Bahams do? Well, just like you did at the end of the fourth quarter worthy crossing around. I mean, it's just every time, every time. That's all. And here's Rashid Rice. Guess what's going to happen? What? Again, from the other side of the fucking field. That's all they did the whole time. They just did it the whole time. It was very obvious. Like early, like, oh shit, we're not going to be able to keep up with these guys. They have track stars running across the field. And it's like, this is what Patrick Mahomes and this chief's team can be whenever they have

healthy and explosive weapons. I think that's what they've shown in the past. Feels like the coach ran into that. Harrison Bucker not only hits the game tire, the game tire that he kicked at the end of the fourth quarter, they got the ball like their four-yard line. And they drove that thing for four minutes and 30 seconds right down the field against us.

And then they kicked that game tire. And then obviously we knew once they got the ball in overtime, oh, here we go again. This is Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs is still the Chiefs. Join us now, ladies and gentlemen, to wrap up this first 15 is an absolute legend. a Michigan man and the NFL insider that we call every week to let us know what the hell's going on. Adam Schifty.

Gentlemen, what's going on? Shefty, thank you for hanging out with us. Let's hit some things that we weren't able to cover. Baker Mayfield, AC, sprain joint. That is what it came. Did he come into the game with that or did it happen last night? Feels like he was doing this often and early. Yeah, no, he's been banged up this year.

I don't know exactly what was wrong going into the game, but I've been told that he had been pretty banged up all season long, more so than I think people realized. Last night, obviously, that shoulder got worse, whether it was the same injury, aggravated, whatever it was. He went down there. They took x-rays, no fracture, nothing structurally wrong. Now, he's going for the MRI in about a half hour, 30 minutes from now,

and that should tell more, but the way it was told to me, they're not ready to rule him out Sunday, which, again, you see him go down there, you see him grabbing his shoulder. I'm thinking, like, well, how many weeks is this going to be? He's on the sidelines in street clothes and a sling. Like, it looks like it's a multiple-week injury to me, but in speaking to them today, they say they're not ready to rule him out for Sunday,

and they think there's a chance he could wind up playing. We'll see what happens with the MRI. We know Baker Mayfield just like a ram truck. He's damn tough. I mean, that is just a matter of fact. And it felt like he was doing that early last night. That's why I thought maybe came into it something, and they wouldn't let him play if there was any structural damage.

So it felt like a sprain in there. incredibly painful. Obviously, Baker's stuff. We hope we get a chance to see him tough outings. Speaking of tough outings, let's talk about New England's win yesterday. Yeah, Shephty, left tackle, Will Campbell and left guard. Jared Wilson, both hurt Will Campbell knee, Jared Wilson, ankle. What are we looking at as far as timetables, and are both these guys going to hopefully be able to come back?

Yeah, I think, well, Rabel today talked about the fact that they don't, he doesn't think it's season ending. And I think if look at the schedule, I wouldn't expect that either player would play a week from tonight. against the New York Giants on Mother Night Football, but the Patriots have their buy in week 14 the week after. So I think at the very least you give these guys, they don't play Monday, they get the buy week off,

and then you're reevaluating them in two weeks to see whether or not they can get back out there. It sounds like it's going to be a little bit longer. Will Campbell. We'll see how it all shakes out. Not a great day for the left side of the Patriots offensive line, but again, it doesn't sound like it's long-term for either of player. Okay, we're happy to hear that,

especially because those are two young guys in that team, obviously, up and to the right. Let's talk about a little bit of an older gent, the oldest gent, actually. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Shepdy, Aaron Rogers, obviously, that left wrist. We saw him practicing last week before the Bears game. I was told he took all the first team reps on Friday for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then he does not go on Sunday. Was it a doctor's decision?

Because we were told Aaron wanted to go. What was the situation there? Well, my understanding was that Aaron did want to play. He was pushing to play all week long, and that the doctor, were obviously more cautious and guarded. I think ultimately in the end, the doctors and Mike Talman make the call about whether or not he's going to go. And they decided on Saturday to hold him out of the game.

Some of the players didn't know until Sunday pregame exactly what was going to happen. But they made the decision on Saturday to start Mason Rudolph. And they also made it sound like they think Rogers could be back this upcoming week. It sounds like that is real possible, that he has a real possibility of playing on Sunday. They need them back. They lost yesterday. He's really impressed them this year. Just the way he's carried himself, his toughness, the whole thing.

And I would think that he is back this week. Man, the landlord definitely wanted to go back home maybe for one last trip. We'll be excited to see what ends up happening for the rest of the season for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hey, his career, you know, what ends up gone? Tough loss to Chicago Bears, who might be for real. Let's talk about somebody for real being out next week and the week following, and the week following. Moves in Las Vegas.

Go ahead, Debutt. Yeah, Chip Kelly came over from the Ohio State Buckeyes after winning national championship. Highest paid coordinator now fired for the Las Vegas Raiders. I just want to know, Pete Carroll's safe after this season. What are your thoughts and vibes going on in Vegas right now? Look, well, Pete Carroll's never fired an assistant coach in season in his entire time in Seattle.

And now they fired two different coordinators here in about two plus weeks. they fired their special teams coach and now they fired Chip Kelly last night. I look I think it's clear like nobody seems to be safe right now out there in the coaching staff. I think everything's up in the air. I think the season is

not gone the way that a lot of people would have hoped it's been disappointing in a lot of different ways. You lose to the Browns at home like that. Give up 10 sacks. Everything's going to be called into question. Let's talk about the Browns. Kevin Stefansky kind of why do you do that? Why do you just come out

and say, hey, this is cool. I'm out. I don't know. I'm out of there. Well, he's just saying this first rookie since when to win her? 1995 to win their debut for the Brown. And I know he didn't go for 300 or whatever. And stats are we're trying to find, you know, it's hard to find all that. But still, at quarterback, the position, the vibe to win a game like that, especially for Cleveland.

Now, granted, he's saying a lot of things that people are like, relax. Okay, you need to relax. But that's not Shador. Like, that is not what Shador is. Which could be exactly what Cleveland Browns need, which is actually what he said in his pregame interview. his first start, he's getting interviewed. Okay, I don't even know how that would happen.

A fifth round pick, a fresh rookie quarterback, right before his first ever start, he's getting a pregame interview. I don't know if that's ever happened for anybody ever before or would ever happen again. And she goes, what are you trying to prove or show here to your fans, your team, and everything? I'm who they've been waiting for or something like that. It's like, what a fucking bar right there right before you go out there. Now, I'm not saying they're going to go undefeated with him.

I'm not saying they're going to win next week. What I am saying, though, is it felt like Stafansky just, there was a single moment of like, yeah, that was a good moment for our team. Why is that? A lot of people are wondering that, Shafty. Yeah, well, listen, I think, and I know a lot of people are up in arms with the way Kevin Stefanski has treated Shador Sanders. I think he's been quietly supportive behind the scenes. Like, he's worked with them every single day.

He supports, this is not a personal thing. People are saying, well, why didn't he name on the starter after the game? Well, how about, how about, like, does anybody think Shadour is not going to start this week? I think we all do, but give the head coach some time to go back, look at the film, talk to the staff, talk to the players. How about letting Dylan Gabriel know, hey, we're going to take another look at Shador this week before you announce it to the press after the game. There's little steps that you have to follow.

Everybody wanted them to be anointed right after the game. And I can't imagine that he wouldn't start this upcoming week. That, to me, would be a surprise considering that they won the game. He played well, a little bit of momentum. Nice to see. Some Miles Garrett's reaction. after that long pass. That might have been the first long pass

he's seen in Cleveland in the last decade. I mean, he was like, oh my God, that's what happens when you can play a long pass? Wow, exciting. So I think he starts, but I don't think Kevin Spanke had to come out and say that

after the game yesterday. All right, all right, I appreciate you. You're the best. We'll talk to you tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schaeffter.

Shepin! Football is the greatest. We're lucky to talk about it. And obviously, the Sunday slate for the week 12 NFL season was spectacular. A few overtime games, a massive comeback, some super duper special special teams, which is obviously amazing. And tonight, week 12 wraps up in Santa Clara, California, as the San Francisco 49ers will host the Carolina Panthers, a seven and a half point favorites. Now, this Carolina team's young and good. And we say young because we don't know any of them, really. You know, like, Bryce Young, he gets drafted into the NFL out of Alabama. This guy's this Steph Curry of football. He's got an incredible sense of feel, and his explosive plays are outrageous. Then he comes in, although you look small, it gets beat up, and they stink. Everybody says, this guy is not going to be able to be good. He actually gets benched at one point.

Andy Dalton goes in. Then Bryce Young last year goes back in after watching Andy Dalton, maybe getting a refresh button, reset button with Canales as the head coach and a play caller. Before that was at Tampa with Baker Mayfield, did what he did. And Bryce Young and them have kind of built a culture. They've kind of built an identity. And they've got wins that none of us really would have expected. Getting seven and a half points against a San Francisco 49ers team

that is obviously one week removed from Brock Purdy coming back and putting on an absolute clinic with all the weapons that they have. Defense is without Bosa and Fred Warner, but still been able to kind of halt people whenever they need to. The Niners could potentially go on and win a Super Bowl this year. They got money in a lot of different places. Tough injuries, but still a lot of money in a lot of different places, especially ones that you need. George Kittle, we can obviously assume that he'll be dancing the night in the paint.

And then juice, we'll assume he'll be doing some stuff. Christian McCaffrey will be explosive. San Francisco 49ers team, go win a super. Sure. We find out tonight if they can handle the Carolina Panthers. And his Carolina Panthers team could tell the world tonight, we're actually a real team. We're not the joke that you guys thought we have been. We're not the team whose owner is throwing ice on people anymore.

Or the owner who on his drive to work, local stores are using their signs to say, things about. We're not that team anymore. We are a team where our owner actually donated the entire stadium and everything to Hurricane Relief Fund. He actually tries to take care of the community. Now he's giving back on staying hands off the football thing. We got a general manager Dan Morgan, who I don't think he's blinked since becoming the Carolina Panthers general manager former linebacker from Miami. Yes, the U is where he was a linebacker. And he has not shut his eyes one time until this Carolina. a Panthers team could be a team that he would like to say,

I'm the one to put this together. Canales, the head coach, he's doing his thing. They are a team. So are the Niners, obviously. Tox tables here, at Boss of Connor and that Ty Schmidt. One half of the Hammer, Cowboys, AP, Tony's here. What is that stat about 60% of the bets? And what's everybody seeing tonight?

Yeah, teams this weekend that we're getting 60% or more of the bets against the spread. We're 2, 7 and 1. And tonight, the 9. Against the spread. Yes, against the spread. Sorry. Tonight, the Niners would fall into that category. They're at 61, 62 percent, somewhere around there.

Nine-year NFL vet. Darius J. Butler, your thoughts on the numbers we just heard. And it's not just 271 this week, Deepak. Yeah, it feels like almost like we're getting worse, which I don't love. But I think it's going to be, I think we're in for a banger tonight. It's a big game for both of these teams, obviously both the winning records,

fighting for, yeah, to get kind of obviously after Rams, what they did. The Niners got to stay in contention with that NFC West. So I think we're in, we're due for a banger than. The Irish youths. They had 12-mat. He's got a hilarious catch radius this guy. He is fun to watch.

And Bryce Young, everything they said about him, turns out if he's not just getting crushed every point. He does. He does operate in offense. Pretty damn good. His arm town is special. Crazy how that worked. And they move into first place in the division if they win.

And the FC South? Yeah. That's right. Banged up Baker. Oh. Yeah. Seven and a half. The time is now.

That feels like a lot of points. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, massive Dan Morgan fan. Ladies and a gentleman, AJ Hawke. Yeah, Hawker. Hey, Hawker.

You're right. I am a massive Dan Morgan fan. Have been for a long time. It's no surprise that he has Carolina kind of rolling in the right direction. Yeah, it feels like he's got a culture in place. Rico Dowdell, also a very explosive weapon in the backfield. Let's talk about the San Francisco 49ers team, though.

We just saw Brock, and we actually had a train. I think the last time we did this was like, the Brock Purdy train is back and everybody's happy, you know? And it's like Shanahan was in there doing this thing. The rest of the offense was behind him. And it's like, this is why Brock Purdy got paid a couple hundred million dollars to play quarterback in this system.

Yes, people have been good with Shanahan. Brock Purdy seemingly better than everybody else because his decision making, his ball placement, everything about him screams and radiates the Shanahan offense. And then, you know, we immediately see seven, and a half points with a shiny new object and we go, whoa, wait a minute, I like this Carolina Panthers team. I don't know if a lot of people know about this Carolina Panthers team. What are your thoughts on tonight's game as we wrap up week 12 of the NFL slate?

I mean, you're right. Purdy and Kid will obviously have a great connection with juice check and then you throw CMC in there. Yeah, their offense is definitely something that it's not easy to stop, but I don't know, like seven and a half definitely feels like a lot. I feel like Carolina people have, I don't know, is it a residency bias of like the last a couple years, but they just don't, they don't think that Carolina and Bryce Young can get it done. But, I mean, Ted McMillan, that guy has been awesome all year long, like you said, Dowdell. I'm going to have a hard time here with this one tonight. I don't know which way I'm leaning, but I'm probably leaning, Carolina, if I had to tell you right now. Okay, that's good

news, because you are seeing it right now. I don't know if you know this. We talked about this the first hour, nine, three and one on a weekend, age. Wow, solid. I was glad to turn on the program and see this. I was glad that I really didn't know. I wasn't sure. I thought I could have had, it was one of those games with all that the spreads were so big it was one of those weeks right who knows which way it goes yeah it was a great sunday slate though had a couple overtime games obviously the massive comeback let's talk about the dallas cowboys philadelphia eagles from your perspective obviously that dallas cowboy's defense just turns off the hose just says nope i don't think so anymore what an impressive bunch of stops that they had

obviously late and then Philadelphia Eagles are we are we're not to play with the lead man it's tough to play with the lead i guess huh is it i don't know like cool to be able to do that, but I do know whenever some of these stats come out, and I'm not saying now that 21 Zip is outrageous in this state of college football. It does feel like we're getting bigger comebacks than maybe ever before because the talent level on the offensive side and the rules maybe in the style of game and everything like that. But there's always these stats that come out like teams that were in this position were 4,0001 or whatever. It's like it's not, like sometimes whenever we see these big leads, it's like the reason why it's such a big deal is because normally

these teams win. Philadelphia Eagles feel like a team that should win a game whenever they're up 21-0, especially against a rival, especially at this time of the year. Thanksgiving is in three days. Happy Thanksgiving week, everybody. Happy Thanksgiving. So it's like you would think that this team would be able to put a team away, especially with who they are. I mean, this team is the Super Bowl champs. This team is Philadelphia Eagles. They're expected to do their thing. Multiple MVP type conversations, multiple number one wide receivers, a defense that has been menacing to everybody for the last couple years with Vic Fangio on the call and then they just seemingly collapse age and you have to wonder and I don't like doing this there's so much drama in this team man so much drama so once

that thing starts going the other way like is there enough to like kind of stop it and go the other way you know what I mean AJ like I don't love all the shit that goes on with their team just in general I think it's too much distraction for to win football but they won a Super Bowl in the middle of it all So it's like they kind of debunk all that. But it is like all that drama. At some point, it shows up. I'm not saying yesterday, but maybe it was yesterday, you know? This play right here.

Jeez, that play right there was gigantic. Unbelievable. Way to retrace and track them down and just a beautiful punch on the ball. There's not a whole lot of Saquorn could do about that. Okay, so on the play, but how about on the entirety of the Philadelphia Eagles, AJ? I just talked. I get distracted by great defensive plays, and these cowboys, we're doing it in the second-a-offee, offense, defense, especially in special teams. We know that. It's a full

team. Here we go. Flus, remember a couple of weeks ago? Talked about him showing signs of life on the sidelines and getting all jacked up. I think he's starting to field a little bit right now. Okay, so you're more pro Cowboys than Eagle is worried, is what it's up. Eagles are a weird situation. Like, it is a weird thing. And when the Cowboys went down and scored right before half,

you're thinking like, all right, you know, now going into half, even though you have a 217 lead, the momentum has kind of flipped to the other team, to the home squad. And I think DAC is a great like a, you know, calming influence that makes place. But this Eagles team, I don't know. I don't fully get it.

Maybe they feed off the chaos, the drama, all that. But at some point, I guess it gets to like a tipping point to where you can't really, I don't know. You just don't find a way to win games like this that you should win. Exactly. And when you win, by the way, it all just kind of, ah, they're winning. We even say it like, hey, they've got all this shit going on that nobody else really has going on. Doesn't matter.

They're winning. Yeah. And they're the Super Bowl champs. They can do whatever. Obviously, you lose this one, especially up 21. It's going to grow a little bit. It's going to get louder. But if they were to lose a couple games in a row, it would be like,

is this team lost it, whatever it was? That worries me. We've seen teams in a past have locker room struggles and completely change it. And I'm not going to speak from anything other than my own experiences as a fan. The Indiana Pacers, okay, they're playing the Heedles. You remember those days? Oh, yeah. That whole team?

I mean, everybody on that team. Roy, Paul, Lance, George. I mean, you just go through that roster. They were awesome to watch, awesome to watch. Something happens. Still don't know. I outside locker room do not know. Something definitely happened in the locker room.

Team dead. Everybody's gone. Never happens again. Personal. Something happened into locker room with either disagreements or not liking or something like that. It's like that locker room, is there ever going to be sympathical? You know, and I think you need that. But they proved, I guess, last year that you don't need that.

But it's like, I think you need like, I think you need high morale. amongst the boys, especially in a long-ass NFL season. Yeah. And that's why I guess they can just say we won last year with this type of stuff, haven't it? But it's always loud over there. And I don't know how they operate within it, to be honest. Yeah, you definitely got to like each other.

I just hate how much, I guess, we know or we hear about what's going on in the locker room. I think Jason Kelsey made came out this past weekend, or maybe it was an older podcast, something he recorded. But he talked about how he kind of fell out with Lane Johnson. I think they didn't speak for like an entire offseason. They're like damn near brothers. So, like, shit like that happens. Everybody's not going to be best friends every day.

But this is a team that has been the two Super Bowl in the last three or four years. So we're, you know, sitting here, you know, towards Thanksgiving where, hey, this is where teams kind of start to show who they are down the stretch. And I still think we're going to see this from the Eagles because of the talent they have. But just very similar to, like, Stillers fans and they can look at their team and look at the record and know, okay, that is either winning football or it's not. Same with the Eagles. Like, with Seyquan, you got a 21-point lead. and he has 10 characters for 22 yards. Like, that's insane.

He hasn't been running the ball well this entire season. Like, until they find their stride there, I think Jalen Hertz, he can throw the ball. A.J. Brown can be great. Devante Smith can be great. But that's kind of the backbone of who they are. We're going to out physical you up front. We're going to play great defense,

and then we're going to hit explosive plays when we need to. And they haven't been doing that. But they've still been winning games up to this point. I'm still, you know, I still have the utmost confidence in the Eagles down the stretch. Okay, I don't know if I do anymore. Just, I don't know. I love their team.

I appreciate the fact that they're able to somehow remain focused with all this shit always happening around them. And they're a Super Bowl champs for a reason. There's some stats coming out now. Lane Johnson, remember, Planner Fascia, I believe, Sprain, which is the lining of your foot. It's very painful. Since 2013, when he plays 120, 62, and 1,

when he doesn't play 15 and 25. So going back to your point about running ball and everything like that, whenever they have a great offensive line, which they had, obviously, last year, best in the league, they can win. They do a lot of damage this year without Lane Johnson. It doesn't work. And what is Landon's last name?

It is Dickerson with a D. Yeah. Why? What do you ask? No, I just didn't know. I've been hearing different things. I just, I had it. What a moment.

Oh. Oh. Immediate sweating of the mouth. Yeah. I believe. Immediate, immediate sweating of the mouth. Probably a couple drips. Never saw that guy sweat one time playing football.

Nope. Didn't see always perfect. I assume when that happened, there was at least one or two. that was just kind of moistness coming up here. The mouth just, oh, my God. That's it. That's it. Oh.

You see his name. Oh. Let's move along and hope he doesn't get on camera again. Let's just keep it moving. Landon Dickerson. Hell of a player. Oh, yeah. Hell of dog.

Hell of football player. Eagles led 210 and lost outright to the Cowboys. Obviously, you saw this analytics. I don't know what any of this means. I don't know what anything is. It's hard for me to tell, you know. I guess it just goes from, like, at this point of a game when a team was up like this much,

this is what the outcome was, and then it kind of changes. So to your point about, yeah. Duh. Shocking. Thanks. In history, if you're leading by this much, with this much time left, here's your odds to win. Here's the percent of the judge. Joining us, that was a man who might have the stats.

We don't know. Maybe. He is an Emmy War winner. That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who knows everything about everywhere. Peter Schrager. Hey, good haircut. I think he cut a little bit shorter.

It looks good. He looked very spry on TV this morning, brother. I cleaned it up a little bit, and I knew I was coming on your show, so I made sure I got pretty, baby. Oh, get pretty. I like that. We appreciate that, obviously.

We're talking about the Philadelphia Eagles right now. Obviously, Dallas Cowboys are incredible comeback. Wow. We saw the graphic. May I ain't no chance here, whenever that was how it was 21-0 or whatever, not able to really do much until right before half when George Pickin scores the touchdown.

But the Dallas Cowboys could be all the way back. They got a road. they got a path and Jerry Jones believes they can make the playoffs I assume they do as well happy for shoddy happy for deck what a comeback win for the Philadelphia Eagles though it's just so loud all the time they thrive in that like that's kind of AJ's take AJ's like maybe they thrive in the chaos maybe they need the controversy and maybe that's just how that job is do we think that's weighing into anything that's happening with their team or do we strictly believe maybe they're like Patula maybe doesn't understand what he needs to do as much

it's his first year as offensive coordinator how do you kind of view the Philadelphia Eagles in what we saw yesterday and what we're seeing as a whole with them. Yeah, you can't take away those wins that they've had. So those are in their back pocket and those are over the Rams and over the Bucks and over the Cowboys one time. But then the Chiefs in Arrowhead and the Packers in Lambo. So like those are in their back pocket. But it's fair to question what the hell is going on with the offense. They were up 21-0 and it's like, all right, they're on all-cylinder's gone.

Since that point yesterday, they only totaled 107 yards and they never advanced past the Cowboys' 38-yard line. And they had three, three and outs. They fumbled the ball. They missed a field goal, and they committed so many penalties. And here's what I'll say about Kevin Petullo. He comes from that Frank Reich tree. He comes there from Nick Siriani. What?

When he was with Phil Rivers and they were with the Colts, they used to throw the ball all over the yard. And Siriani and Reich likes to throw the ball. They used to do motion. You're not seeing any of it. You're seeing basically, can AJ and Devon day, go one-on-one, can they make their plays? Can Sequin break a tackle? And that's the offense. Like, this is not a guy who just woke up and was handed the job here. This is a guy who's

had a career learning about offenses and designing offenses. And I don't think it's necessarily by design that this is the offense that it is. It seems like maybe this is what he thinks is their best chance to win, given what they've got at the quarterback spot and what they've got going with offense. Like, trust me, he knows how to do all the stuff that we see, all the bells and whistles. They're not even trying it. So that's the red flag to me. Like, why not give this offense a chance to do something creative? Why not give this offense a chance to run some of the exotic stuff that his offenses have run before? Yeah, it feels like it's very loud around that offense, mostly. But Philly, maybe this is how the Johns operate down there. And we know

Nick Siriani's the guy that can handle it all, right? Last year, there was A.J. Brown chatter. There was other conversation. When they won the Super Bowl, two wide receivers are the ones dumping a Gatorade. I think that sends a big message. As does every cryptic tweet that AJ Brown puts out. Yeah. Seriani and Big Dom. Exactly. People are saying Big Dom needs to take Petula down there to a local

spot and not bring him back. Uh-oh. That's what they're saying. Whoa. Seeing that. I saw a couple tweets from people that are like, what does Big Dom actually do? Is he trying to take care of the Eagles? Well, why doesn't he take care of Patula? And that could potentially be something for the good of the entire city. You saw Tom playing playing catch with AJ Brown? Yes.

You see who was two feet away from Tom? Who was that? Big Dahl. I was like, of course, I was watching. I'm like, of course. You said, Big Dome orchestrated this entire thing. Making sure not giving away information. I'm just playing catch for, Asia. He's got some of the organ ducking.

That should be against the roll. I was going to say, it's a bit of a conflict. It still looks good. Yeah, he does. He said it was nice to see it come out of hand, you know, a little bit, actually, whenever he was talking about it. AJ Brown also noted a huge Patriots thing growing up, so I assume this was like a childhood memory moment for AJ Brown.

And I'm sure AJ Brown thought of some cryptic tweets to put out while he was playing catch with Tom or some other people. did at least as soon as they saw this go, oh, no, this means post-game. It was nice and warm-ups to be able to catch a well-thrown football. You know, something like that. That's all I thought of. That's all I thought of when I was watching. I'm like, oh, no, Big Dawn better get to the bottom of that.

Also, why is Big Dog? Of course, Big Dog is here. People in Philly are saying Big Dawn, let's go ahead and not just, you know, play a little hanky-panky with Tom Brady. Let's also maybe go over to Patula and say, hey, we need to go get some, let's go get some Mootsar-O, you know. Let's go see. Got some cinder blocks to move. You do, actually. All right, let's move along.

Philadelphia Eagles, an interesting spot. AJ has a question for you, Shregs. What about the Rams and Matthew Stafford? We know that you're tied into that whole organization, that franchise, Sean McVeigh. What do you think, like, are they playing their best ball? Are we about to see this team get even better? Because Matt Stafford looks very healthy, very comfortable.

Obviously, Pooka, the weapons, Devonte. What's your outlook for this Rams team right now? You just hope they're not peeking too early. What they're doing right now is a historic, historic, you know, run through the NFL. Listen to this stat I got today. They have not trailed since first quarter of the Baltimore game. That's five games and three quarters since they've been behind by any points at all.

And that's against five teams that are currently in the playoffs, the Ravens, the Jags, the Saints, the Niners, the Seahawks, the Bucks. They don't trail. Stafford, you saw 25 touchdowns, zero interceptions is the pace he's on right now. He's got 30 and two on the year. And Devante Adams seems to be going. into the time machine and looks as good as ever looked. Then you go to the defensive side of the ball and they're menaces. They were all over Baker Mayfield and Teddy Bridgewater last night.

And I tweeted today about Emmanuel Forbes, who is a guy that, you know, Ron Rivera took in the first round in Washington and was released by the commanders. Meanwhile, yesterday, he had seven targets at him and there were zero passes completed. Emmanuel Forbes is playing like he's one of the best corners in all of football right now. This team is working on all cylinders. and then you get Thicker the kicker who they had in yesterday. And this guy doesn't miss either. So now you've got all three facets and you've got your special teams issues of seemingly taking care of.

I don't know. AJ, I look at it. It's like you just don't want to peek too soon because they're doing everything you could possibly want to do. It just might be a little too early right now. I guess. I don't know if you're needing me or not if you're looking for a response or not Shreg's, but I feel like you can peak too soon. Just stay healthy.

If you can find a way to keep your key guys healthy, you're going to be fine, Shred. That was TV. That was TV, Pat. Yeah, no, he's getting to my name. I thought so. I thought, yeah, I thought he was trying to throw it over to you there. AJ said, listen, I agree with everything you're saying. I agree with everything you're saying.

But it is, it's fascinating. Shout to Harrison Beavis. I think he went to Missouri, if I do recall. Obviously, throughout college became thicker, the thicker, kicker, the thicker, whatever it is, because he's a big lad. He's a big lad. Pure swings yesterday. Pure ball flight.

Wearing number 92. Respect. I don't like the McFaid did that to him or whatever the case was, but we're talking like smooth, smooth ball flight. And I'm happy for him. I'm most happy for Matthew Stafford. And we talked about in the first hour, you might know a little bit more.

I listened. What was that super duper trailer park thing you wanted to there? Amortal? Yeah, what is that? What is the amoral? Do you know? That was from training camp and everyone was making jokes. Like, all right, what it's going to happen with this thing.

I think sales have to be going up tenfold since the way he started the season. I have no idea what that thing is. I will tell you this. I was hosting Get Up in late August, and the debate we were having was, should the Rams go with Jimmy Garoppolo to start the season over Matthew Stafford? And it was a legitimate debate because we hadn't seen Stafford take the field yet. And it was like, do you put a guy in? And then Collinsworth last night, it's like, you know, I'm not going to do a Collinsworth impression.

But basically, Collinsworth was saying that they weren't sure. Could you, though? Do you have one in your back? You know, let me try. Because let me close my eyes. Let me try to. Because I remember him talking about it. I think you remember talking about it.

And you ask Matthew about it. And he says, you know, we start getting at this thing. I'll give it a shot. I'll try. And sure enough, here we are in week 12. He's having a career year at 37. Yeah, that was good. That mute TV.

I didn't hear it. I didn't hear it. Did it come through for you guys? Yeah, 500 broadcasts. Not at all. I don't know if I heard. But yeah, you're right. Collinsworth did talk about it.

I do recall him chatting about, especially with a back position at the age that he was. There was a lot of questions. We were talking about the Amortal trailer as well at the time because he was supposed to come back and then he wasn't. then he's supposed to be in pads. He was in shorts and it was like, wait a minute, this seems a little bit scary.

And I think at that point, they didn't really know either what was going to happen because it is the bad you don't really know. Talking to those guys, there was not a, it wasn't arrogance, but it was a bit of like,

dude, like relax, it's August, he's 37, just he'll be fine. And then it got to like week two of the preseason, then week three of the preseason. And I'm talking to,

to McVeigh in the front office. Like, those are the guys and they're like, just calm down. Like, we're good. We're good. And so they had the utmost confidence.

And yet, you know, I think it's fair to question when a quarterback doesn't take a single rep during practice in July and August. And they did the inner camp scrimmages with the, with the cowboys. And from all, all anyone who's there was saying was Jimmy G looked amazing. It was like, do you start the season with Jimmy G? It sounds so crazy now because Stafford is the runaway MVP and looks better than he ever has. It's almost a commercial for everyone saying, take July and August off as long as you're, you know, like you don't, don't wear yourself out in training camp. Yeah, yeah, no doubt, waste of conversation, but it's always good to have the conversation, especially if it's all we have at the moment, which is what we do in the middle of training camp.

And Matthew Stafford then carried us for a couple weeks, too. I mean, we were looking into that entirety because we have so much respect. We were very worried. I was very worried, especially with how old he was his back. And, yeah, we've seen other guys, especially with the back. Sciatica. Golf, you know, we just saw it with LeBron, yeah. All these, the back is always one that's like kind of unpredictable, them having the confidence that he's going to come back.

And then talking about how he's playing, it's like better than ever. And he's got Devante Adams who can just shake and have a two-way go. And then he's a runaway MVP favorite. You said it's kind of clear at this point. And then he has the number one scoring defense in the NFL. I only giving up 16.3 points for game. It's like, what? Are there ramps?

I think the, oh, Hembo, hello. The biggest differential between like interceptions and touchdowns in a season was Aaron Rogers in 2020. What's up, Ty? He went 48 touchdowns, five interceptions. Stafford right now is 30 touchdowns, two interceptions, and he can maybe make that. And the one common thread between those,

Devante Adams was the receiver for both those guys. Yeah, and Devante said he's having fun playing football. How could you not? You got to shake a guy and score touchdown. Sound good? Yep, we'll do that all damn night. Matthew Stafford never misses. Okay, let's talk about another quarterback who obviously we all love.

Go ahead, Deb. Yeah, I feel like everything we're talking about with the Rams right now, we probably expected to be talking about with the Ravens kind of coming into the season. Maybe Lamar being an MVP favorite. Maybe this team dominate on both sides of the ball. But that's not been the case. No, they got a win against the Jets sitting in six and five right now. Probably going to win that division. But what's your thoughts on the Ravens right now and kind of how it's going to play out for them down the stretch? Sorry. I think, I think, Debutt, like Belichick used to say, like the season starts at Thanksgiving.

It really does for the Ravens. They're right there, obviously, with the dealers. And if they win the division, they get in the tournament. But if they are to make a run, look at this stretch they have coming up. They got the Bengals and Joe Burrow this weekend, Thanksgiving night, obviously national TV. Then they play Pittsburgh, Cincinnati again, then New England, then at Green Bay at Pittsburgh. So it's almost too soon for us to make a judgment on the 2025 Ravens in week 12 when you've got that slate. Again, Bengals twice, Steelers twice, Patriots, Packers, and the Packers game in Lambo on December. 27th. So to me, it's like, I've seen the teams get hot and go on the run. I've followed the

07 giants when they went as a six seed and they won it all. I saw the 2010 Packers with AJ Hawk go on as a six seed, win it all. Like this could be that team. They're going to maybe win the division. That might be how they get in either way. Biggest eye roll of all time from AJ on this back wall. He didn't like that to even compare them? No, I think he just, he didn't know that you were going to mention them, I think. So it wasn't an eye roll. It was more of like a side look and it was on this back wall here. Foxy, can you show the back wall. It was perfect for us. I don't think you expected to do it because

that Giants team always gets talked about. But did I not even give you the name mention? Like I didn't just say like the 2010 Packers. I gave you that love too. I said Ryan Grant. Yeah. Oh yeah. You're right. You know, yeah, you know it. I was not, I didn't roll my eyes. I don't know what it looked like. But yeah, I appreciate it.

No, I think you surprised that you mentioned them. I think it was very surprised that you mentioned him is what I would say. Obviously, AJ's got a look, you know, to him. So whenever that changes, especially one ever hold on you just talked about our team i don't know that team never gets talked about in this conversation trades ever yeah one of the hottest teams ever was that packers team that came roaring down the stretch and then obviously won the super bowl in dallas that's what the ravens if the ravens make

the playoffs they're going to have to go through this gauntlet and win these games so we're going to all be high on the ravens and if they don't win their division it's because they couldn't get it john and they couldn't make it in but they're probably not making it as a wild card they're going to make it as a division winner so i say all that the season hasn't even really begun for them. And Lamar's health is a real question. The fact that he had 30 yards rushing, the fact that he can't do what he's used to do right now, and now the grind of the December is about to hit and the grind of January is about to hit, does he suddenly find that step? I don't know. So it's going to be really interesting to see what version of them we get over these next

few weeks. And I do not take Thursday night with Joe Burrow coming into M&T lightly. I think Joe Burrow coming off the injury, playing against them on national television is something that I would be seriously concerned about if I'm a Ravens fan. That news has broke. Joe Burrow will be playing on Thanksgiving against the Baltimore Ravens. We're talking about AFC North Magic to cap off a beautiful Thanksgiving. Let's talk about

the AFC a little bit more. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Shrekis, you talked about the Ravens and maybe not making it as a wildcard. And for the last few years, it's been Bill's Chiefs, Ravens, AFC. You're like, all right, one of them is going to win it. The Chiefs, even after their win yesterday, are still ranked 10th in the AFC. How many

teams in the AFC do you think could actually win the AFC because I believe it's the most wide open it's been in probably a decade. Yeah, it's like the guys we know from the last few years and then these upstarts. So take those first four or those first, you know, one, three, two, and five, is anyone really picking, you know, and I say this Boston Connor with you, not trying to insult you and Pat with the Colts, whatever. But it's like if it's chiefs at Colts in the wildcard round, like we had yesterday, like if it's. At Colts, we didn't have that yesterday, okay? I know. They were in Kansas City.

They were not in the linehouse. They were not in the line. And I want to let you know, I do think it changed the game a little bit. Okay, I do think maybe being out there in Kansas City at the home of the chief. I think he's a little different than a lot house. But go ahead. To your point, you look at that, it's like, all right, so we've got Patriots as, say they are the one seat. And then the divisional round.

We got the bills at the Patriots, and they get another shot at that, you know, and it's a third time. Patriots. I bet you the bills are favored in that game if Josh Allen's walking in there. It's Lamar Jackson going out to L.A. to play the Chargers after some of the losses the charges have had, like whether or not the stats are there, the numbers are there. I think the Lamar Jackson factor would give the Ravens the favorite. So it's this fascinating season of the guys we know, those three quarterbacks, of course, those three teams that are there and they're banging on the door every year. And then you've got these upstarts and it's like, okay, Bo Nix, we love what we saw against the chiefs. We love what that defense does. We love everything about it. But when the rubber hits

the road and it's January football, is it what we know in our back pocket, the chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens, or is it this team that's been doing everything right? But are they ready to make that moment happen this year, year number two in the playoffs? You're talking about obviously the AFC right now. Ty actually had a point that we talked about during the break about teams this year with quarterback stuff. What was your thoughts about if you have an elite defense? Yeah. Yeah, basically I think this is one of the years,

one of the rare years where like now obviously the Rams would maybe buck this trend a little bit, but I don't think you necessarily have to have an elite quarterback to win the Super Bowl this year. I think we look at all the teams up there that we're talking about as legitimate Super Bowl contenders. Now Drake is elite. For sure,

for sure. But it's the defenses this year. Teams with unbelievable defenses are the ones that we're talking about. week in, week out, and with this much parity, teams who have defenses that are that good, they're going to be in every single game. And then it's just a matter of, can a guy like Bo Nix have his best game of the year

when we already know what the defense is going to do? Yeah, I think it's such a great point. In 2025, every rule is built for the offense and to score points. And yet two teams in particular, Denver and Houston have built their teams around defense and said, all right, and I talk to Peyton all the time. I talked to Van's Joseph on my podcast last week. They have Mahomes twice a year.

Mahomes own them for years. It is no accident that they spent all their money in free agency over the past few years on bringing in Zach Allen and bringing in Hufanga and bringing in Drake Greenlaw. And then, of course, drafting Joddy Barron, despite the fact they already have Patrick's or can. Like, that's what you do to beat Mahomes. You have to build your team to beat Mahomes.

Then you go to Houston. You've got Nick Casario there as a GM. They draft C.J. Stroud trades up to get Will Anderson. And then you look at what they did on the defensive side of the ball. whether it be bringing in Daniel Hunter or drafting Derek Stingley when there was obviously needs on offense, taking him third overall. These are moves that are made that are very intentional in saying, despite the league being telling us that, hey, air raid offense and have 50 touchdowns from your quarterback and score, score,

let's flip it on its head. Let's be the team that you got to beat and you got to beat us every single way because our defense is that good. That's the Broncos and the Bills. I'll be fascinated to, I mean, sorry, the Broncos and the Texans. I'll be fascinated to see if those two teams can do it the whole stretch of the way. and then maybe find themselves playing in San Francisco this February. Another team you didn't mention there, Colts invested a lot on the defensive side, including two first round draft picks in the future.

And then Patrick Mahomes needs a four and a half minute drive, and he gets it. Just no problem at all. Just right down there. And then he gets ball back again and he does it. So, you know, learning lessons as we get to and through meaningful football. As you were saying everything you were saying, and Ty was saying what he was saying, Deboe played nine years in the NFL on the defensive side of the ball goes,

need a... that's what you're going to need it and look defense you definitely need a defense as well but you're going to need I mean elite it's only what three or four probably elite quarterback but you're going to need one of those guys

when it comes down to it's all good on November 24th and we're looking at standards and saying okay these are teams but somebody's going to have to take that it's going to be Drake is it going to be Bo is it going to be one of these guys who step up and have an elite run

like Joe Flacko or somebody like that in the playoffs but you're going to need elite quarterback play in the playoffs to get that chip for on that note on that note Connor congratulations Drake May feels like one of those guys need one of those guys to do it all of the different traits that you would need to be a guy feels like Drake has and don't look now I got a text from the Miz yesterday oh sure he's saying he's thinking maybe Browns is playoffs this year go ahead Conrad yeah this year May said I did the math this is during the game he's at the game

no way he lives in Vegas he's at the game he's texting me during the game. Relax Fox. I did the math. I think we could still make the playoffs this year. This is how this should have been from the beginning is how they feel. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, hard not to feel that way after watching him a complete 11 passes, Shreggs. What do you think about the Browns and Shador? Can they even go back to Gabriel? At this point, it feels like no, especially while Gabriel was playing. Everybody was just asked them, like, hey, can you even throw the ball 20 yards down the field? And then Shador completes a 53-yard pass in a bucket. What do you think about that situation as a whole?

And what do you think about Stefansky? People are kind of getting loud about his whole kind of demeanor as a head football coach. They have announced that he is starting. Boom. It has been announced that he's starting per sources, I do believe, which is good. That's what I was going to roll with. And I think it's very, you stole my thunder. No, I just want to, hey, this is new news because we were actually talking with Schaefter about like,

hey, how come he didn't come out and say that after the game? So this news being reported that it is being started. It's like I just wanted you to know that. That's on me. I apologize. It's fair. No, thank you. The thing is this.

It's like it's such a sensitive topic, obviously. We could do all the different podcasts and everything that, you know, Shador is like such a lightning rod. Here's where you can look at it. One, the team never looked as alive and as fired up as they did yesterday. Miles Garrett, their top player was like so supportive. Isaiah Bond on this pass. That's a perfect pass. You could also say he had a horrible interception in this game that was like ill-advised,

still took a while to get the ball out and that the Raiders are bad. So you look at it one of two ways. I'm going to go with the former here. I'm going to say, let's take it for what it was. The team looked awesome. They looked fired up. And he made this pass. And then the Samson screen pass that goes for 50 yards on this one.

Oh, what a ball. You could make the comment that he didn't do anything in this play. Guess what? He ran the offense and they had to do it and they got it done. That said, Raiders defense is atrocious. And I'm not taking it away from Shador. But I like the fact he did it on the Raiders, who passed over him seven different times in the NFL draft,

seven different times the Raiders felt that they were better off without Shador Sanders, despite being connected there for so many months leading into the draft. He found a way, he's going to start, and he's going to go up against the Niners. And we could keep on doing this, what aboutism, what aboutism? Let's not do that.

He did it yesterday. He won the game, and he looked good, and that passed to Bond is as good as any of the Browns have completed all season long. Actually, better. Yeah, so that's the best ball that they've had in two decades, they said, actually. I forgot bomb was there. Certainly me, exactly. As he catch him, I'm like, oh, yeah, very fast.

I'm happy they're using them. That's good news. And to your point about the energy, it's like just caring at all about a Cleveland Browns game felt good for me. Just caring it all about what the outcome was. And then him getting a, and we talked about this in the first hour, and you're an on-field reporter like pretty regularly at this point. That was a gift to Tiffany Blackman, but go on because he was so good in these energy.

Yes, he was afterwards. but also right before his first ever start as a fifth round rookie. Somebody had to approve of that, right? Like the Browns had to approve of that happening and all of it. Get to interview the quarterback, yeah. Starting quarterback, you gotta get.

Here's what he said. Right before his first start, he's a fifth round draft pick. He's wild. I don't know if this is happening anywhere else. Shador, you told us that this week felt like you were getting back to normal, being a starting quarterback,

like you have your whole career. But this is going to be your first NFL start. What does that opportunity feel like in this moment? It feels good, but we cool, We cool, calm, collective life. There's ain't nothing to us. And what do you hope to show against this Raiders defense, your teammates, yourself, and these Browns fans with their play today?

I'm who they've been looking for. Walk off. Thank you. Goodbye. What a hilarious line. Like, even in that moment, like, I'm going to create, this is a clip here. This is something like, all that shit is not Cleveland Brown's like, none of it. So it's like the interest of, yeah, if you're a Shador Sanders fan,

It's like, thank God he's nothing like what the Browns. You're a fan of football. You don't want anything to be what Cleveland Browns has been. Amen. Miles Garrett has 18 sacks right now. 18 cents. He leads second by five. He's outrageous right now.

So that has been good football for Cleveland Browns. Joe Thomas got to his spot better than anybody in the history of football. But a lot of Cleveland Brown football is shite football. So Shador bringing any energy, I think, is a positive. But it was hard to find, like, a lot of highlights to a run. You know, so we ran the same place over and over. It's his first start, middle of the season. First start.

You know, but when to Judy, you know, Judy just kind of protected. Judy fumbled, and he can't control who we played. Wasn't his fault. Like, they were up against a Raiders team. And by the way, Max Crosby's a pretty good player. And he was in his face the whole game. And their run defense is pretty good.

Like, you can't fault him for playing against a bad Raiders team. It's just who was on the schedule on that same bad Raiders team, looked at his draft profile seven different times and said, we're good. We don't want this guy. So I liked it from him. Harold Finn and hello. beast. Yeah, absolute beast. You know, there's another young quarterback

that's getting a lot of chatter about him. And I don't want to bring it up, Shreggs. Oh, yeah, have to. That Minnesota Vikings team. Yeah. I don't want to reiterate the point, and people are going to say we're echoing ourselves, but it is

such a good point that it needs to be stated time and time again. That NFC was decided in the final week by the Detroit Lions and Minnesota Vikings. They were playing for the number one overall suit. Team back. Coordinators back.

Everything's back except for quarterback. Quarterback is new. Who you going with? Young guy, we drafted him early for a reason. He got hurt, doesn't have a lot of reps. We were going all in around him. You got Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Kirk Cousins. Rogers was available.

Aaron Rogers allegedly was waiting to hear if they wanted him. A lot of quarterbacks, okay? A lot of quarterbacks that wanted that position because they know Kevin O'Connell's offense, if you are able to get to your drop step, there's somebody going to be wide open, and it might be Justin Jefferson, the best wide receiver, and all the football. So very fascinating how it's all unraveling right now

and how nine is performing. He's also currently in the concussion protocol that just got announced via Ari Mirov, via the team's, I would assume, website or social media account. How do you kind of view this entire nine situation with the Vikings, because obviously yesterday, Micah and Green Bay Packers' defense did their thing against them. 59, 52-yard field goals, half the points that they scored the entire night. What are your thoughts on the Vikings?

Because they're supposed to be in it, I think everybody thinks, or thought going into the season. Well, look, Jeff Halfley's defense put on a show yesterday in a fact that they had five net yards in the second half, and they were sacked five times, had two interceptions, and then both third and one and four, and one in the first half, big moments in the red zone, like, got stuffed. That's the game. And we're going to talk about it the rest of his career, sadly, until he turns it around. But J.J. McCarthy was selected over Bo Nix, and he was in a draft where there was other quarterbacks who are having great success, Drake May, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels last year,

and Michael Pennix has shown flashes. So you're in that draft class. That's one bucket. Then the second bucket is the guys that you chose him over. And Darnold could have been franchise tag this year. and McCarthy's salary is not exuberant. They could have had both those guys on the roster, and they could have said, let's run it back.

We came up just short. Let's do it. You could have also brought back Daniel Jones. You could have entertained Rogers, and you could have said to McCarthy, we're going to wait one more year until you come off this injury. We're going to see.

Hindsight's 2020, of course. We forget how bad those eight days were for Sam Darnold. Two of the worst performances that have cost one man more money in the history of the NFL than Sam Darnold's last eight days as a Viking. the Sunday night loss and then the Monday night loss where they lost to the Rams in Arizona where if we were to have this conversation that Tuesday morning and maybe we did it was

probably 99% saying all right it was a nice story it was a good ride Sam Darnold was fun for a year for the Vikings that we got to go to JJ no no I would have I would have said franchise tag let's let's put the baby let's do it let's see if we can get one more year here keep JJ you know in the wings then year three he's the guy if Sam doesn't but truth the matter is they went all in on a draft pick that they traded up for the year before and they were banking on what their pre-draft process was the interviews and the coaching that like O'Connell and McCown can get the best out of this guy. Well, not only has he been a disappointment, but there's been health issues this year too. So now you're left with major question marks when

obviously they had maybe the best quarterback room in football last year. Yeah, I understand what you were saying about the end of Darnold's days. And Seahawks were obviously reaping the benefit of Darno going out there. Big win over the Titans for them yesterday. And the Minnesota Vikings sitting in a position where are they going to have to admit something here? No, right? Can't. Well, tell you what, if Max Brosmer gets to start, we're looking at a Brock Purdy situation. Yeah, look out. He is not turning that ball back over.

I mean, there's a chance, right? No, there is. I'm being dead serious. Tell him. Tell me about him because I got to be honest. I know the name, but give us the little profile. He was an FCS All-American at New Hampshire and then transferred to Minnesota. had a really good year last year at Minnesota

and then you know came to the Vikings this year he's well can spin it oh yeah yeah he can run too no not much of a runner just more of a spinner

okay so he could spin it so Kevin O'Connell's offense we're doing robot stuff yeah we're in here we're doing this entire thing this could be a rock pretty situation could be yes

this could be a Brock party situation if they admit fault though like that's isn't that a fireable offense for the GM like you had this team that was ready to be the best team in the NFL

and now all of a sudden it's just like I mean that I don't know because I see a lot of people putting KOC into that and I don't think that I think that's getting way ahead of your skis but like if you're the GM you traded up to draft this guy you had everything kind of made and you're ready to go you again

you paid everybody on the defense your offense is kind of set with all the weapons and then it's just like yeah you know what unfortunately I fucked up the most important position in sports so we're going to try something else and it's also how it looks like we were told it was going to look good I agree like okay sure they're not going to win

I was lied to We all knew they weren't going to win 14 games like last year But we were told it was going to look good You're going to call the Better Business Bureau I were told all training camp How great he was as well It's not as if we

The expectation I think is also what has killed Nine in the sense of how bad it looks Because during training camp And all these people were coming on And saying like Hey nine nine's great They're real confident in J.J. McCarthy right now. And maybe they were in training camp because he was playing against, you know,

high school football defenses, but it just looks abysmal. Like, there's no hope. There's a couple good throws there. Not yesterday that wasn't. Behind the line of scrimmage, maybe. I will say this. I just looked. Brosmer's first start next week they have at Seattle, so that would be tough.

Oh, that would be easy defeat. Well, if you're the GM, that's a good move then. Can't protect Max Brosmer. He's got to throw it out there. Yeah, throw this guy in, and then you can say the fan base. Oh, this is the guy you want? This is a guy you want, I think we'll stick with nine. No, the post script on it all, and I think I've said this before, maybe on this show.

But like the commanders thought Sam Darnold was coming to them last year. And at the last second, he's like, I'm actually going to go with O'Connell and go with those guys. And they were like, well, all right, we'll pivot. We'll go with Mariotta. But like, what a sliding doors moment if Donald was in Washington never takes the field. And then all of a sudden it's Jaden from day one. And we don't even know about Sam Darnold. And it's like, I don't know.

It's just amazing how the. NFL works and at these moments that, like, come and go. Butterfly effects, I believe, the decisions. Yes, that's what it's called, everything like that. That's all. Marcus Mary Goda. Did we know? That was a sick hoodie you got on, by the way. Ohana?

I got an Ohana hoodie. You got one? That's sick. Shout to Rob and the Oregon equipment staff. They always hook it up. That's cool. Great Air Forces, too, that have Ohana on it, you know? Damn.

Yeah, because it was celebrating Marioo to go and in there. He's tall. Did we know he was tall, tall, tall? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. It was big. What's six four? Easy, right?

Yeah. First thing I said to him, is, holy shit. I didn't know you're tall, Paul. You're tall tall. I know we're doing all NFL, Pat. Can I, I mean, that was incredible Saturday morning. The motorcycle? Oh, my God, dude.

And then landing, getting involved with the shout? Like, I say this as a, as an objective viewer, not a sycophant, not to kiss your ass. Get the hell out of the way, social media guy. This is all I'm saying. All right, social media guy. We'll get the video. Don't worry. someone's filming there's a there's a there's a camera from the sky and a drone we're good we don't need social media guys filming this like you know here i used to wake like wake up and look forward to saturday night live every saturday night and see who the cold open was going to be and who they were going to have this is how i am now on saturday mornings with these game day openings they're incredible you now set the standard and the bar so high i don't know where you guys are going on saturday but like the only thing left is to like jump out of a plane or to like jump off a mountain i have nothing i don't know what else you can do at this

I appreciate that. A Toro. Helicopter. Yeah, we could do a lot of things, I guess. No, I'm very thankful that Matt, who is the leader of the quack, kind of hooked it up. I think he had to have belief that I could ride a motorcycle. So I can ride a motorcycle. My wife and I have it.

Yeah. I mean, the helmet was obviously pretty tight. I also, you know, there's a chance that that thing has an anti-fog screen on it, you know? But that just wasn't the case. And when I realized with the fog, the lights. And it was dark, and that kid's running backwards in front of me at one point. It's like, it's like, all right, there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on here.

And then I didn't do a test drive. The cover-up of the wires, plastic, plus being a little moist in the morning. Like, in my head, I didn't know those were going to be there. Should have known they were going to be there. I'm rolling through. I see those for the first time. I'm like, oh, no, this need to stay straight here. Then we'll turn left in there.

So it was very cool for everybody to set that up. Miss Dana over at Oregon, the leader of the dance crew and, I think, stadium environment and mascot and everything like that. I appreciate her going to work for this whole thing, but yeah, it was a lot of fun. Faso made a lot of calls, you know, Faso. Oh, yeah. Faso made a lot, because we're second time in like three, four weeks. So if I just do the same thing, we went there last year and last year, it's like you can't just do the same thing every time, you know. There's just something special, and it was the same end when you guys were in Utah, like that, that more.

morning darkness. And I know it's not an easy thing for you guys to be doing these West Coast hours, and especially on a Saturday morning. But like, gosh, there is nothing more electric than me on the East Coast with my son on the couch, turning it on. And it's dark as night. And there's a full crowd there. And you're going nuts with the smoke coming out. I loved it, bro. It was great. Okay. I appreciate the comment. That's very, very cool of you to say. And it was a lot of fun. And thank you to the Oregon people for their hospitality. Those are the Air Force. there, the Ohana Air Forces I had on. So it was, they were very kind, very nice.

And shout out to the kids showing up. We're there two times in like three weeks. Impressive. And they showed up in a big way, especially. There were critics. There were critics who said you shouldn't have been there, Pat. Yeah. There was some other opportunities.

You know, every week there are those. Every week there are those. But Dan Lannning and everybody are so kind. And being a part of a show that people want to come to their place is very cool. So I appreciate you saying that. And shout out to Oregon. Hey, they got a football team. Yeah, they do.

They got a tall football. We got a quarterback, too. I like that kid. Yeah, yeah, Dante's his stud. All right, last question here for you, Shregs, on this overreaction Monday. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shragis, before the season started, you came on the show and basically said, hey, the coaching changes in Detroit, I'm out.

I don't think they're going to make the playoffs this year. You took a lot of heat, and then for a little bit there, you know, when Johnny Moe got his play calling duty stripped from him, you were, you know, maybe right, but you could probably argue they may have the best player in the NFL and Jumeer Gibbs. where do you stand on the lions right now after, you know, not the prettiest of wins yesterday and then a tough one on Thursday against the Packers on Thanksgiving?

Yeah, very good team and a very good offense and a very good running back in Jamir Gibbs, who had three touchdowns and more than 200 and 30 yards from scrimmage yesterday, 50 yards from scrimmage. I think it's fair to say they are an excellent team who's going to either win the division or be a wild card contender and, of course, in the Super Bowl contention. It's also fair to say that when they go outside and play in Lambo and they lose in week one and they go outside and lose to the chiefs in Arrowhead and then a week ago playing against the Eagles coming up short, like it's fair to ask whether this team is a team that is good or a team that is great. And I think the loss of Ben Johnson was a big storyline in the offseason and I jumped on it and I was wrong. Dan Campbell can still get this offense going.

But the fact that they've replaced their offensive coordinator already sort of justifies what I was fearing at the very least that maybe there is a gap in the play calling from Ben Johnson to what we thought was going to be Johnny Moe as the offensive coordinator. So I think both things can be true. I was wrong that the lions were going to be flatter on offense. And I'm also right that let's see how they do as the season goes on and that Ben Johnson's a pretty good play caller as well.

Jamir Gibbs was pined in the ground on that run. I mean, he was beating the shit out of the ground. I don't know that. He's unbelievable. So, so, he's going into Earth so hard and obviously that's why he's so fast. He's explosion. I mean... It was like Pacheco, though.

He's special, this guy's special down. Yeah, running angry, but also incredibly fast. And Gibbs goes Super Sonic, not bad here from, you know, DeBone. Graphic designers had a hell of a day today. They absolutely crushed it. But you talk about him being so fast. He's supposed to be a part of a duo, Sonic and Knuckles.

seemingly becoming the Sonic show and how could it not be with how good he is? I assume that something at MCDC has to balance Ty. Have you heard any comments from MCDC? Yeah, he basically said something along the lines of like, listen man, I'm trying to kind of balance this shit, give David his

touches, but I don't even get to watch him here because every time I put him in the game I look down, that motherfucker's already in the end zone. So, you know, I mean, hey, three clouds and a little bit of dust with Dave or 75 yards in a touchdown. with Jemir Gibbs.

I think you know which way I'm leaning, man. Yeah, it does. I was texting with Ty because the Packers, I think this is the biggest game for both those team seasons this week on the Thanksgiving Day in Detroit, where the Lions have handled the Packers last, a couple of whatever, and then all this hype with the Packers defense, like, all right, here comes Jamir Gibbs. And I love this. I mean, everyone's talking about Chiefs Colts and, of course, Ravens Bengals,

but like Packers Lions at 1 o'clock on a Thanksgiving Thursday, like, let's go. Yeah, it's supposed to be noon. I think we all thought. Yeah. We all thought that was going to be noon. So we'll try to adjust, I guess. Thanks for had another hour of potential arguments to America. That's bullshit.

You know, could have the game on earlier, you know, so we could have the entire afternoon. Green Bay, Detroit, on Fox, Kansas City, Dallas on CBS. Look at that slate. It's a good one. Cincinnati, Baltimore on NBC and then Chicago and Philly on primetime. All playoff implicating type games. It's going to be a huge Thanksgiving. Shrags, we appreciate the hell out of you, brother.

bro i love you i love you guys thank you this is awesome always is hey you're killing it we're watching ladies and gentlemen peter schrager yeah i'll tell you what shreg's on tv a lot doing good hosting yeah jack of all trades he can do it all the shragor hour oh yeah we well how about he's sitting down fireside chat yeah yeah you're talking about the shregor chat real artsy yeah it is very artsy and it's a one shot you know he's talking to that camera why don't you come take a walk with me like it's his goodfellers through the kitchen. Let me explain to you what everything is. And he's got that really cool fire

and everything's set up nice. Yeah, Shrake. Shrake's doing his thing. The NFL is awesome. You're not rolling. All right, before we get out of here on ESPN, as we continue digitally, I think we should break down tonight's game a little bit. I think we should break down tonight's game.

Carolina Panthers take on the San Francisco 49ers. Is the number still seven and a half on this evening's game? Yes, it is. What's the percentage of bets on the, San Francisco 49ers. It was 62% last time we checked last hour. It is currently sitting at? 61%. Oh, no. The 60% plus bets are something we get our stats from. Now it's at 61. Should we still take it seriously? Yeah, you definitely have to. And what is 60% of the bets this weekend? So far this weekend, if a team is getting 60% or more of the bets against the spread, they are 2, 7, and 1 against the spread. So that would tell you that the odds are against the San Francisco 49ers covering seven and a half.

Debutt, your thoughts. We have 90 seconds. Are we pick you right now? I think you should give a pick. I think you could give, I mean, we're wasting valuable seconds right now because we don't have a lot of them. I think you can give a little bit of a reasoning and then a pick, I think. Because of what tone said, the betting numbers. And the last time we saw the San Francisco 49ers that gave up 47 completions, I think Bryce Young will be.

just all right. Maybe win this game straight up, but definitely Panthers plus seven and a half. Okay, that's Panthers plus seven and a half by Darius J. Butler. A.J. Hawk, you are 9, 3 and 1 currently on week 12 of the NFL against the spread. How do you see tonight going? I plan on going 10, 3 and 1 by taking the Carolina Panthers here. Rico Dowdell, hopefully gets a good chunk of carries and gets going early. I still like San Francisco and what they can do, but I like Carolina with those points. I'll tell you what, I'll feel the exact same way. That is not good that we all feel that way, but we all feel against the majority of the public. And I think that's because just like a couple different times this season, whether it's college ball or NFL, I think we

know more about these teams potentially because we've been following them a little bit closer because we were either embroiled with beef with them or new introductions with them. So I think Carolina Panthers pretty good team. I think they'll cover the seven and a half. I still think the Niners get a win. And thank you to week 12 of the NFL slate being spectacular. And thank you all for allowing us to do this for a living. We're the dumbest people on earth living the dumbest lives of all the time and it's because of you. So thank you all so much. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change

their life. We continue on digital. See you tomorrow. Yeah, I feel like that was a pretty good one. Get myself a little bit more runway. Yeah. Great. Had to fill a little bit more time. Before than the first hour. First hour, yeah, Shepter just kept going.

But that was on me because I felt obligated to say something and I cut into his time. So I think he had a clock and I kind of messed that up. So that's on me. What are we going to do about it? What are we going to do about it? It was great. It was a great program, I think.

We all like Carolina Plus 7. I think we all felt it this morning. I think we all kind of felt it this morning, age. And I don't know if you woke up the same way, but Connor actually came out to me and was like, hey, are you getting the same feeling that you had on Thursday? And it's like, no, I don't. And then the more and more I thought about it, I was like, I think I do, actually. A ton of points. Yeah.

And also, I think we have more respect for Carolina than most people. Yes. I think that's probably the case. That's what I was going to, like, the people just remember, you know, past years of how bad they were when things were just in shambles. And if the Panthers haven't played your favorite team, you probably haven't watched them, definitely haven't had them in like the quad box on Sunday. So you know, you have no idea and you just assume like, oh, these are the guys who the owner is kind of an asshole and all that kind. And all that stuff is kind of blown away.

Like they, I mean, they're good. Like they look at the division. Like if they win tonight, they might make the playoffs this year. So and I also think what you said is is pretty accurate too. Like I think anyone could see this game being like Niners, 28, Carolina. of 24, you know, 37, 31, 27. Like, I think it's going to be a much better game

than people anticipate. The Panthers also do. I'm on the Panthers tonight. I just want to say that, but they also have the ability to just go out there and lay in absolute. True. Yeah, happened.

What was it? Falkins, what was it? 40 to 9, if you do the bills, and then they lost the saints. Yes, so they can be. They have the ability. Yeah, this could be a Niners blowout. Could be. Brock Purdy could say, oh, you all forgot.

You know, can be one of those. or maybe a two for what game do we not talk a lot about falcons beat the saints 2410 Kirk cousins is back celebrate there he was yeah kirk cousins football is all the way back crazy that he was just kind of out of sight out of mind for so long getting paid as much as he's getting paid it was the thought that he was going to get traded go somewhere obviously having be jean robinson on your offense is good news he is obviously filthy uh but yeah kirk cousins gets a huge win for the falcons a j i like seeing kirk spin it a little bit How can you not?

I mean, especially if you watched him at all on, you know, quarterback or whatever. Like, how do you not root for this dude? And he can still spin it. You're right. He had a couple unbelievable balls and all this. Like, this is what, yeah, this is cool. Like seeing him all juke's and juiced up. Like, he hasn't had this feeling in a long time.

This is the one right here. Yeah, you're like, okay, here we go, Kirk, right in stride. And the boys pick him up, too, offensive lineman, pick him up and carry him around. He's an adult with kids getting picked up by another man. You're obviously super excited for Kirk because the situation of how he's handled it all. Absolutely. Good for Kirk. being a pro and I did not know Kirk still

had that throw right there in his bag so they're going to need him to stay competitive no reps here. No reps. Just like you know Chador said hey one week of practice getting the reps so I love to see that especially with all the weapons that was banged up and out of the lineup. Might have been a reset button for old Kirk too. He might have been getting in his own head. Remember he was making

some shitty plays at the end of that runoff. He was glad to leg in the receptions last year. Yeah there was a lot of like dumb non- Kirk Cousins things happening in the game and was that because of who was around him because what was being played or whatever the case? We don't don't know, but nice little reset, little refresher, and Kirk Cousins reminds everybody there's a reason I was paid as much as I was paid. Patriots get a big win over the Bengals. That was closer than you guys liked up there or what? Yeah, definitely closer with the injuries you kind

of expected it because of how early on. Yeah, what happened? What happened? Jared Wilson right off the bat ankle. I mean, I think it was the first run of the game to Trevion Henderson real tough. Then Will Campbell on a toss left, got a knee or got a helmet to the knee kind of a little bit to the side. left guard, left tackle. Both of them rookies. Yeah, both of them rookies. It was tough. Drake May, you know, dragged us out of a hole, but we haven't played anybody, so who cares? My question for you, more so, would be, did you get any messages from any Bengals fans about their whole

operation as far as, you know, people yelling stuff to you, whether it be in the morning on your way into work or anything like that? Just walks me to water. Yeah, so as soon as I parked here outside the Thunderdome this morning, there was a cop pulling up to the stop sign that's kind of adjacent to the building here and uh hilarious you know I wave good morning and he has his uh intercom or whatever he goes can we bury Zach Taylor a little bit today and I thought I heard it I thought heard it I was like what's that and he goes Zach Taylor need to hate him I go all right okay dude thank you for your service and then he turns away it was uh it was a hilarious happenstance but it was like wow bangles fans I guess they must

be done with old Zach Taylor. Now, Joe Burrow coming back to play, obviously, we assume team is going to be different with him. Marcus Jones, what a pick here. Just understanding everything that was about to happen in a play, basically. Yeah, that's what that is. Cannot be late to the flat in the NFL. We talk about it all the time. When you are, that's what happens. Most explosive

plays happen in the NFL along the sideline, so that's what happened right here. Yeah, it felt like Joe knew. Joe knew right through it. Joe knew. Right way through it. Yeah, well, hashtag 107, that would be 14, 10. Then there are some decisions made it, right, that people were confused by? Yeah, I mean, decision, but also just like complete

ineptitude. Like, we had eight straight chances at the goal line to score a touchdown, and we got stopped all eight times, absolutely despicable. And then when it was 23 to 20, once again, first and goal from the one-yard line for New England, and they just got stuffed. So there really wasn't any, yeah, I wasn't sure what you're here. Yeah, no, no, it was Zach Taylor. Why are they hate Zach Taylor? Oh, I don't know why they hate Zach Taylor. Honestly, while I was watching that game, It's like the Patriots have a top 10 defense. They don't have Jamar Chase. If Jamar Chase is in the game, that might help a little bit.

T. Higgins also went down with concussion. Feel as though the Cincinnati Bengals field also has cement underneath it like MetLife. I think there was 15 different injuries. But I mean, I didn't really look towards Zach Taylor while watching that game like this guy's a dipshit. It was more so like one, this team's banged up and their best player spit on someone last week. They'd have their backup quarterback Joe Flacko, who also got hurt during the game. Jake Browning came in and kind of was service. enough, but I wouldn't

point to Zach Taylor. I feel as though Bengals fans are just trying to point to anybody but the offensive line in Duke Tobin and their decision to not pick the right guy to block for Joe Burrow, but once again, you do kind of have to blame someone. I personally feel as if

Zach Taylor's a good coach, but if that's who they want to blame, that's who they want to blame. I don't know. The whole entire build of the team, it was like obviously you get key injuries and it just ruins everything. That's the head going there. But like, where they chose to invest their money, everybody that has known football forever is like, that's not any level at this stage, how you kind of win

in this whole thing. Now, they've struck out at offensive line a couple of times. They've struck out. They've tried to get guys. They've struck out. Obviously, that stinks in it all. But I don't know, man. Eight goal line stands, you said? It actually ended up being 11 because we got to 26 and we did three straight plays stuffed and we ended up having to kick the field goal to go 26.20 so. Bangles defense! Sean Lewis backball. It only scored

19 points. I mean, without the pick six, we lose that kangaroo. They had a pick six too, but yeah, Patriots, first team to 10 wins. You got to love it. Yeah, rule, speed was up there, ruler of the jungle. Oh, yeah. See him hit a backflip with the thing? No. He had the thing in his hand, the sorcery stone. Yeah. Staff.

Jungle staff. That thing? Sure. and he was getting him jacked off well let's go let's go and then he hit a back flip with that thing I thought was very impressive because that should have hit the ground at some point did not stuck the landing I don't know if you're supposed to do anything it seems like there

was nothing to kind of yeah shouldn't you put it into something do you plan it into something hmm I don't know I was looking around that's a new thing that's not like an old school bengals tradition it's it's newer I don't think you planted because when wit did it he just went fucking nuts with it

so you just kind of hold it yeah yeah like I mean you should boom with fireworks yeah yeah but that costs money which I think is what to the bangles fans should be more pissed about look here he is so I'm looking on the ground to see if there's anywhere to put it you know or you're just out there doing it I think speed handled it properly I would say

and then boom geez that's impressive it is impressive yeah incredibly sick staff too so you just hold that thing I didn't know if he was going to put it in a ground at some point you should toss just jabble or yeah yeah they should have you should have lawn darts yeah just try to

or bring a fake Patriots mascot bring like a Patriot's mascot Just beat the hell out of him with it. That'd be sick. Maybe that's a stab of. Maybe there's something. Yeah. You know, like the other team, and then he put stab kind of through.

That's a good backflip, though. And heavy Jays. Those are heavy Jays. Those are not the most athletic Jays. And he lands your thing on his feet, don't do it. And it turns out that he lose, but Patriots did their thing.

What do we not talk enough about college football? Huge weekend. Obviously, this weekend have a lot of rivalries. Friday's going to be loaded. Saturday's load. to a college ball. I mean, we are living in a very good time. Meaningful football. Store.com, 25% off because every game matters. And if you want to support, rep the brand, we would certainly be thankful.

And if you don't, we don't care either. We're very appreciative for the sport. Don't feel obligated, but we'd love to see you out and about. Store.com, 25% off everything right now. Meaningful football games, college, very, very meaningful tone. What's the storyline? Yeah, there's a lot of meaningful games this weekend, obviously in the lead-up to this week, which will be the last week of the year, rivalry week, before we get into conference.

championships. But let's start in Eugene, Oregon, where you were, where Oregon kind of took it to USC. It came out and they did score the first touchdown of the game, but then Oregon kind of, you know, imposed their will a bit. And that's kind of what we talked about with Dan Lanning a lot. There you have Kenyon Sadiq with an incredible touchdown pass. Noah Whittington was incredible. The whole run game, that's kind of what Oregon's been based on, and they dominated and pulled away late to get a huge win there. The other big one was, Missou was going down to... Oh, I thought they were going to win.

And if it wasn't for... So what? There was a lot of questions about Oregon's, or sorry, Oklahoma's offense. There was this, what was it, like 93-yard touchdown early in the game? But, like, other than that, there was not a ton of offense in this game at all. It was low-scoring. We didn't know what Prubula was going to be able to do. I was going to go with the Stanford Steve saying Prubula, but I don't like that.

I think that's right, though, isn't it? Yeah, it might be, but Bo. Yeah, go with Bo. Oregon did just enough to get this win and then stay obviously in playoff contention. The other big one, BYU went to Cincinnati

where they basically just have to win to get in. It was close all game long. L.J. Martin, the running back for BYU, you had over 200 yards and they got a big win against Cincinnati. So now all they have to do is win this weekend. I believe they host UCF and then they'll face Texas Tech in the Big 12 championship game.

If Texas Tech gets a big win against WVU on the road. Oh, I don't. That's going to be tough. It's in Morgan time. But right now, it's looking like BYU, Texas Tech. And then I'd say the last game, the last thing that we should touch on is just

Jeremiah Love, Stanford Steve, said, hey, in these last two games, Jeremiah Love's going to run for 500 yards. That might not be wrong. He went ahead, eight carries for 170, I believe. Eight? Eight. Eight carries.

Three tuds. Three tuds, yes. And Notre Dame was up 21 nothing before their offense touched the ball. They won 70 to whatever. So Jeremiah Love had a huge. weekend. He is now number three in the Heisman odds, moving up to charge. He's awesome. He was great on our show last week, and obviously

he just is untackable, seemingly. Those are high school stats. Syracuse do any sprints after the game? No. Fram Brown was pretty defeated. He basically said, I want my team to be like that team. That's basically all he said post game. He was pretty bummed out.

He's bummed out. For good reason. Bumdop Brown is what they're saying. And I got one more. If I forgot this, I would have been attacked again. Pitt had a huge win down at Georgia Tech too. Now Georgia Tech does not control their fate for the ACC championship. Virginia does and SMU does for the

ACC championship. There is an ACC chaos scenario where if they lose there's going to be like five teams tied at six and two. But Pitt had a huge result there against Georgia Tech and they host Miami this week. So the ACC is still up for grabs but this was a big one in that conference. Yeah, we thought senior

day Haynes King but we just saw it a pit the week before against Jeremiah I love, who once again had a huge day, multiple touchdowns. Instead, Pitt goes in there, Narduzi goes in there and steals all the joy. And Pitt's still in it. Crazy to think. Pitt is still in it. Heinzsche'll shout out to him, bouncing back.

Congrats to the Panthers. Did Mercer end up beating Auburn or no? I think it was close. What had started? Auburn edged him out. Okay. Yeah, it was close for a good, what was it? 15.

There was a lot of those SEC games. 20 seconds. Well, I actually thought 27 and a half. would be wrong. You know, I thought for the Super Dog I was down 20 and I saw it 27 and a half.

And yeah, I had myself believing that the Mercer Bears are going to win that one. They're 9 and 2 now. They lose their second game of the season. By a lot. 1414, first quarter. 27 and a half just wasn't enough. It didn't appear to be enough. And I had a lot of Auburn people

because on the show on Game Day when I said, look for Mercer to cover and outright win. That's because I needed that. A cover is only five points. A win is the spread and five points. So I needed that to catch up the, I believe Herbstree is in the lead right now. I believe he is pulling away. So I need a big one.

So I put it in a universe that they were going to outright win. And Auburn people just took the quote and put it out there. And then all of a sudden I got a bunch of Auburn people saying, how'd that Mercer game go? This guy done the fucking no ball. It's like, wow. You also didn't know that Auburn's five-star true freshman quarterback was going to come in and run. I think he had three touchdowns and like 200 yards rushing.

Yeah, now I know, and that's a big one for Alabama this weekend. Yeah. Hey, good luck, Alabama. Got a tough one. Yep, got a horns nest on her. It's going to be crazy. At night. Stanford's Andrew Luck had a massive win over Cal.

Happy for them getting that. Maybe they're back on track. Maybe. I would love, honestly, I would love to see Andrew Luck with the headset on. Got a coach fire? It felt like he did have the headset on. Exactly. You saw some pregame.

You mentioned a pregame speech or the night before the game to the boys. And then we all saw the live interview. moment when the um the fumble got picked up and took to the house and loved seeing him live just bow ball ball but i would love to see him i think frank right or it's already come out that he'll be stepping down after this season of the coach i believe i heard that some weeks ago i would love to hear and see andrew luck on the sideline as a coach maybe bring stanford back you think andrew luck is gm head coach uh i think he could i think someone else to do the gym thing i would love to see him because we know how he is as far as his mind when it comes the ball and then

the competitor that he is as well so i would love to see him kind of just, you know, giving it back to the boys through that program. And me and Tyler were talking about before the show, I don't know if they'll ever be on the same levels these other bigger programs with the NIL stuff because you said they have to... Yeah, I don't know if that's real, but they're one of the few schools who, like,

it actually matters because, like, they're going to have Olympians and, like, swimming and diving and stuff like that stuff still very much matters. You're talking about RevShare? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, where the money's allocated to them or everything like that. Yeah. Yeah, because they do love their Olympics.

Exactly. which is obviously huge. Andrew Luck, yeah, I think it was the practice tonight before they showed it on game day. He was fired up talking about him. And then on a sideline while he's giving that interview, he's like, while he's talking, he's watching back at the game, it's like this guy's super invested, like general manager, super invested in an age, him saying, let's get him coaching again.

Maybe Andrew Luck is coaching this Stanford team next year going forward. Yeah. Don't you think his post game and his weekly press conference? He'd be awesome because he does seem like he's very open. He would let you know how he feels. he's so weirdly smart. I just like hearing him talk football anytime he, yeah, I've always been a huge fan of him. I know you played with him, but just hearing him talk football, like he seems like he's light years ahead of a lot of people. Loves ball. I mean, absolutely. You can tell. I mean,

just that sideline interview. Come on now. Like, I'd give him the job right there. Yeah, and good luck to him with Stanford. Obviously, it's a big brand. I don't know if they've ever got more than 100 people in the stands for any other game other than Cal, but if anybody could do it, Andrew could definitely do it. So good luck to them. And then obviously the big storyline, in college ball. Where the hell is Lane Kiffin going? Where's Lane Kiffin going? Because obviously that sets off a dominoes

for everywhere else and everything else. They got a massive game against Mississippi State coming up this Friday at the Egg Bowl. He is set to make the announcement I guess on Saturday with the athletic director. The athletic director has come out and said, Coach Kiffin and I, or the vice chancellor, I'm sorry.

Coach Kiffin and I have had many pointed and positive conversation regarding his future at Ole Miss, including meeting today with Chancellor Boyce. While we discussed next step, we know we cannot lose sight of what is most important, our sixth-ranked team that is poised to finish a regular season in historic fashion. Despite the outside noise, Coach Kiffin is focused on preparing our team for the Egg Bowl, and together we want to ensure that our players and coaches can concentrate fully on next Friday's game. This team is on the cusp

of an unprecedented season, and it's imperative they feel the support of the Ole Miss family in the week ahead. An announcement on Coach Kiffin's future is expected Saturday following the Egg Bowl. Can we get through this week, please? Mm-hmm. And then what we all want to know. That's the school sticking up for Kiffin. Because Coach Kiffin would like a little bit of time probably. Like, hey, can I get some time here to potentially think about this?

I'm also in the biggest position I've been in some time. And our school has never been in this situation. So I know there's a lot of everything. Everybody wants me to answer everything, including fans of Ole Miss, because when Transfer Portal is, what everything else is, can we just worry about what we got going on right now for me? Now, is everybody around him that's doing the business? of football certainly getting all the information definitely but I think what this is is lane

meeting with the chancellor and everything going like I would like to not have to worry about all this right now can we just put together the best season that we've ever had and can we beat mississippi state and then I'll give you an answer on Saturday like I think that was the can I please just get through this game and figure out what the hell I want to do and then I'll give you an answer the next day or we'll give a little bit of I think that's what that was from the chancellor and probably from lane kiff and very much so it's funny you say that because Winnidad Jambliss actually just put out a tweet I think like an hour or so ago that basically

said the similar thing right here from Trinidad to our fans. This team is completely locked in living in the moment and staying true to our one and no mindset for the egg wall in future games. We are unbothered by anything about next year and fully trusting Coach Kiffin's leadership to keep us moving toward our goals. So that feels like the message coming out of Ole Miss, right? Everybody's like, hey,

can you fucking let us play this game at least and then we'll get an answer for everybody? We get it. We get it, we get it. Okay, but can we please that's what that sounds like and I'm happy they're doing that. But Ole Miss fans, Florida fans, LSU fans, and these other places are like, yeah, yeah, good luck in the Egg Bowl.

Do you think he knows? I don't. I don't think he knows. AJ already told us. Is this the ultimatum that we were talking about? The Saturday press presser, that's the ultimatum. You've got to make up your mind one way or the other? There was never an ultimatum, but I do think.

I know. No, but just to kind of counter that, I do think probably all parties were like, hey, we need it. answer. Like, I assume everybody is saying the same thing, you know? So I don't know if it's an ultimatum put on them, but I would assume all parties are like

we need the fuck, because we got to move. And then guess what's going to happen whenever the other place moves, there's going to be another coach in Vic. They're like basically like, hey, we need an answer at some fucking point here. We're going to need this because when the transfer portal is for like what football is. Now, to Nick Saban's point that he put out

very well on college game, it's like the calendar and the schedule right now completely fucks the teams. in this situation because, like, the coach staying with his team is just not going to be possible. And there's going to be a lot of teams that are going to be in the 9, 10, 11, 12 spot that might not be a blue blood. And their coach is probably going to have a lot of attention on them. And how many times is this going to happen going forward in the playoffs? Probably pretty regularly with how everything's kind of set up right now.

So there's a lot of shit that has to kind of get figured out, obviously. And everybody, Coach Saban's coming from the coach's angle. Coach Chabin's like, you're damned if you do, damned if you, like, this is not a, you can't do this. From the player's perspective, it's like, we need to know what the hell is going on, even though Winnadad says we're not focused by it. And from the fans' perspective, they're like, we need to know that you're focused on the most important part of the season, which is the transfer portal, which really is the most important part of like basically every single off season now. Yeah, let's just say like hypothetically Lane decides to go to LSU or Florida. and like old miss is Can he coach the playoffs?

Yeah he's good But here's the thing like he's Playoffs are December 19th and 20th And I think the next round is the 31st And the first That's when the transfer portal is So like are you going to be Coaching Ole Miss

While doing the transfer porter stuff For LSU or Florida? And everybody says the transfer portal Was just crazy speed dating For like three four days Where you gotta try to learn as much As you possibly can about everybody Find out the price and then boom you're moving on

So it's like The new schools are like We need you fully focused on the shit what we're doing next year. And then Ole Miss could potentially be like, yeah, we need our new coach to know what the hell they're going to.

It's just a, it's a bad situation. And with those guidelines, like, what if they're seventh, right, in the college football playoff? But then they come out and Lane Kiven's not going to be their coach in the college football playoff committee. He's like, you know what? Fuck it. Let's put BYU and Texas Tech in.

We don't need Oleks. They don't even have a coach. They can do that. They put that in the clause at the bottom. The cause is the cause. That'd be very unfair to them. The ballon, it's a ball on. Yeah.

It'd be very unfair. It's a shitty. And what if Trinidad's going with him? Like, I love that tweet. That's the old Miss fans. I mentioned that on game day. I was like, because that's a real thought. Because like the Ole Miss fans are like,

oh, so not only are you leaving, you're going to take our entire good team. And Lacey. Yeah. Oh, man. For sure. If he does leave. 19. I think they are going with him.

You don't know who the next coach is going to be. No, certainly not. Could be, you know, Chuck White's Jr. Might come in and woo him. You never know what's going to happen. Woo, woo, woo, woo, next coach, maybe who? I don't, I don't love the setup for him, but I'd like to reiterate my fact or point that I made on game day.

It's like he's allowed to be happy, dude. And he's also allowed to let them figure out this whole thing and not be the person that gets thrown into the first fire, you know? Will there be other jobs that open up in the future? you think no this is it this is the last year any college football coaches are being fired so maybe he does have to make a decision right now forever yeah for the next 50 years but also there's never been this many big jobs available or this early i feel like yeah and will that continue or not probably not right we assume that everybody saw what happened whenever pen state

let go of james franklin and then every candidate for their job signed a new deal for more money than ever before so maybe they'll wait for the firings until later maybe that'll be a forced decision, but if you wait till later, then who's control and transfer portal, you're behind April. Yeah. There's just no answer. They're all screwed. Now, Coach Saban, I think,

I don't know who said it. I think it was Coach Saban and said it, but I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't know if this is his exact thing. Somebody said it in a conversation. Coach Saban was part of the conversation. I think it was Coach Saban's brain. But if they would have kept the spring transfer portal, and instead of doing spring ball,

just do summer and do workouts through and just go, into training camp you know because nobody's really doing spring ball anymore nobody does a spring game anymore everybody scared to death of spring yeah so if you do a spring transfer portal and then you give more time before season to build team because the thing that was bad about the spring transfer portal is there's no time before training camp basically spring ball's already over so now we got nothing with these guys except for summer workouts and then training camp so i think the the answer to that would be spring transfer portal so that you don't have these issues with the whole thing and then you would have to build up some sort of summer into training camp program and what the rules and

guidelines would be. But in some of these places, it's in 175 degrees in the middle of the summer. So, you know, how they handle all of it. And then schooling is involved in this, obviously, because it matters. Yeah. Mm-hmm. A lot of these players making 15X what their teachers are making in the classes that they're in. What are we going to school for to have a job? Have one. But I'll certainly respect what you're saying. I appreciate that. School matters. always will get smart you have a degree yep a j you have a degree yeah you guys are

awesome you have a degree i don't know man i got i got a freaking d minus and fresh so you still don't know if you graduate i'm not sure that's awesome that's kind of a conundrum i got this i got this hat so i know i know that i if i'd pull it everything it's gonna fall yeah we saw his graduation yeah yeah so graduate did you graduate yeah Foxy did you graduate yes sir Bruce did you graduate

yeah Nick how many times did you graduate twice actually Gumpy hell yeah brother school hard knocks baby hell yeah gumpbs admit

well oh yeah didn't get his degree I don't know if DePaul gave him one or not he did not that might be got his degree I do not believe he did not He's got his master's time.

Poo's a degree. Yeah, exactly. All right, college game day this weekend is headed to Ann Arbor for, obviously, the game. How do you feel, A.J., about this one. Obviously, it's been a long time since the Buckeyes have beat the Michigan Wolverines. This one's up in Michigan. How do you feel going in? This feels like your best chance to maybe stop the trend of you guys losing to that team from up north.

Uh-oh. Yeah, I mean, I feel pretty good. Obviously, Cardinal T. Jeremiah Smith, not playing this past. week. It makes people worry a little bit, I guess, but hopefully they will be ready to roll in Ann Arbor on Saturday. But no, we, yeah, this is, the season starts now for Ohio State. We know that. This is the biggest game and got to find a way to take care of business here and then continue to roll when it truly matters. I can't wait to get up there. I don't, for some reason, I always think it's not going to be good at Michigan. And then we get there and we're in like a tailgating parking lot and it's like very good. Vodra always immaculate. And then we get into the stadium. It's just electrifying in there.

So very pumped to get up there. Cannot wait to celebrate the Big Ten wrapping up its season here. And the Ohio State Buckeyes' dominating year, can it be derailed once again from the Michigan Wolverine? Ooh. Cowboys AP Tone is here,

a nine-year NFL vet. Dary Shadey Ballers. The baller. behind the glass are obviously kicking ass on this particular overreaction Monday. We appreciate that. We also know that the internet has been doing its thing. I put out a tweet this morning like I do every single Monday of football season asking for people to send in their thoughts, their emotions, their feelings about their favorite football team. All you got to use is, I don't want to overreact. This morning was an active one. Obviously there's a lot of different feelings from a lot of different teams

and a lot of different communities. Ty, you go through these every single week and pick out your favorites. I believe we have 12 of them today. What was the kind of the narrative or the sense today? I'd say quite a few teams have kind of just given up, and they just don't feel like overreacting anymore. Really? Yeah, it's getting a lot harder to find some of those ones. And then you have days like today

where it seems like no matter how many scrolls you have, it's just a lot of people are upset with the Eagles and a lot of people are upset with the Steelers. So, like, that was a lot of it. Shout out Pennsylvania football game. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because Ohio football fans would be the same way, but their teams are where they are.

Exactly. So that is kind of how it goes with that tribe of people or peoples. Let's dive into these overreactions, shall we? This is from Tone Diggs from Pittsburgh. Hashtag I don't want to overreacts. But I'm going to tie my feet to cinder blocks and accidentally drop a 30-pound frozen turkey into the biggest pot of boiling oil I can find because that will be less painful than having to watch another snap of the team that calls themselves the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Hashtag, important one here, don't drink and drive. Hashtag, happy Thanksgiving. tone. Do you think you're overreacting in this moment or not? No, I don't. And this also is a bit of a dual threat overreaction tweet. It's one, it's getting my point across about how disgusted I am about the current state of the Pittsburgh Steelers while also reminding people, hey, happy Thanksgiving's Thanksgiving week. Don't drink and drive Wednesday night because it's a big drink and drive night for all you college kids. Call an Uber, please. And also, if you haven't seen the fire safety videos,

be careful. You cannot drop a frozen turkey into a pot of boiling oil. because then the whole house catches on fire. But overall... And also cinder blocks to your feet. So that I would die. So that I couldn't get away so that the oil would get on me, I would catch on fire

so that I don't have to watch Josh Allen drag his balls across the Steelers' face after 10 days rest after the worst game that he's ever played. Got you, Lipton T type situation, potentially around the corner. And I appreciate you said, this thing has layers now.

Let's not just read the... This is layered. There's a bunch of different ways to kind of end it. And then watching the Steelers, I'd rather do less than all those things. And it's because you knew that the team wasn't going to go. And every week you're trying to prove that fact? Or do you think you guys are just bad fans?

You guys are 6 and 5. Still in middle of a playoff hunt. Aaron Rogers come back healthy next week. You guys still have it all in front of your team invested, 30 million in a wide receiver. Trade made some big trades. Do you not think maybe you guys should just be pumped up about the whole entire journey of the Pittsburgh Steelers this year? Kind of, but it's also because I'm a fucking idiot. And I had hope going into this game.

I said, oh, boys are playing all right right now. The bears, you know, they might be a paper tiger, okay? And we're going to be able to prove that on Sunday. No, we were not. We're the more of the paper tiger, the worst of the paper tigers. The tracing paper where you can barely, you can see through the paper. That's what the Pittsburgh Steelers are right now. It's a mess.

I let them play with my emotions every single week and season and just for the same shit to happen every single year. A lot of people giving up, right? Yep. Six and five? Six and five? Ready, Tony? A.J.

What a ball left? Did you watch any of the game? Yeah, of course. What do you mean? They could have won that game. Could have. Okay, but we all kind of knew, which is what I think Steelers fans are saying. That's what Steelers fans are kind of said. It's the same dumb shit happens.

We're up, I think it was 14-7. We're on the 30 going in, run the worst tush push of all time. So instead of going up 21-7, they get the ball and then go back and make it 14-14. So it's like, oh, that's exactly what can happen. But didn't you guys have an innovative tush push? We did have a sick innovative tush-push. Putush push from Kenneth Gainwell. He got down to the one and then we scored on the next play.

That was sick. That was cool. That was something that we don't normally do. Steelers fans are certainly going through it and they have been all season, especially with the ride that it's been. And Aaron Rogers will say R-E-L-A-X dude. Why don't we relax? We've still got a lot of games left.

But Pittsburgh fans also going through it because you remember talking about rides a couple weeks ago, it was said that the Pittsburgh Pirates were possibly maybe going to be primed up to make a deal of $80 million for free agent signing. and I, literally, in real time, once reading this headline, said, that's not real, that sounds fake. How is that even possible that they were ready to almost potentially prime up a multi-million dollar offer that they've never done before? Oh, well, the guy signed to the other place, but they were going to make the offer. That's exciting. Turns out, that's all bullshit.

They were never going to do anything. Never forced to do anything. They said all came together so quick. We didn't even get a chance to really wrap our minds about it, but maybe. Maybe. I got a simple question. Maybe they're going to. We're just going to trust what the athletic puts out now? It's a fair question.

A lot of journalism stuff happening right now all around us. Let's just keep it moving. All I'm saying is the ins are fans. It's all angles. Yeah. But the pens. Good? Oh, good.

Okay. Thank you, goodness. Riverhuntz. Riverhonts just won the whole goddamn thing. Zero, zero, won the whole thing. Wow. Yeah. That's soccer, right?

Yeah. Riverhound just won the U.S. I sell, brother. That was on TV, actually. I saw a little bit of it on TV, I believe, this weekend. CBS, yes, I watched it as well. That thing went to penalties after a really cagey, a zero-zero-zero affair. The Riverhound's goal, he was standing on his head, basically all damn U.S.L season, certainly through the U.S. playoff.

And it goes the penalties, local Pittsburgh guy. Meister, I believe, is his name? Is that a... Meister's last name? Pittsburgh Kid, won Topper, St. Clair. Very good player. He had a penalty score. I think all the boys did.

So, yeah, congrats of Pittsburgh Riverhounds. Pittsburgh Penguins are good. Pirates were maybe potentially going to possibly think about maybe spending money sometime because they got the Sci Young pitcher. And the Pittsburgh Steelers are still six and five. They're still six and five. There's Pittsburgh Riverhounds right there. Champions.

What's the USL? Is this affiliated with the other one? No, so the MLS is the MLS. And then the USL, I believe, would be considered the one right below. So, like, if this was in relegation world, like in the, in the England area, I believe the Riverhounds will be going up to the Premier League

because, and then three of the bottom teams will be going down to this particular league. But there's no relegation. There's owners who've spent money on MLS teams and owners that haven't spent money on MLS teams. So the owners that spend the money on AMLS teams are saying, why would we ever in a million years agreed to potentially go to a smaller league?

We wouldn't, okay? England has that because it's been hundreds of years. That's how they do it. We're not signing up for that. Even though everybody in America thinks it would be awesome for American sports. And in Pittsburgh, Riverhounds probably win the MLS.

If the Vancouver white caps don't, did you see this? I don't think so. Buddy. Burrhalter. What day was this? M.A.S. Saturday night. Inter's going to win that.

No. Vancouver's got the best ball striker in the history of the United States of America named Sebastian Burrhalter. This guy is the boy of Greg Burrhalter. This boy is a player. And they won in penalties over the weekend against another team. L-AFC.

There it is. They're good. Two of the best teams. They got Sonny from Tottenham Hotspurs, paid him like $15 million to get him to LA. He scored a free kick in the 95th to tie it. Where they getting that money? Did see that.

That free kick was absurd. White Caps won in penalties. Burrhalter took the first one. Burrhalter is a guy. We need to just know this. When the World Cup comes around, we are going to be pumped that we know Burrhalter. I think he's going to make a couple free kicks in the World Cup.

I think he'll probably potentially take shirt off at some point. I think he's got a 14. pack very very handsome loves america loves america was born in london his dad american playing for crystal palace obviously all that stuff but he's like very proud to be an american which is what we this is what we need on this team he's not the only one a bunch are and he was on the concave football pod and him gumpy and jeff cameron were having a conversation which is really cool they're becoming like a men's national u.s men's national team podcast basically which is very awesome but i went in there to talk to him and i said hey it feels like your team we're not going to be just flopping all over

the place, right? We're not doing it. America doesn't like whenever our team flops. He goes, absolutely not. We've got dogs everywhere. We're not floppers. Like that's what you said. It's like a point. They got a fight two games ago. It's like, oh yeah, I saw some of that. Are we favorites to win the World Cup? We should be, but we're not. People are sleeping on us.

People are sleeping on America. I like that. Right where we want to be. I like that. It's right where I want to be. But remember, Ponchitino gets hired very late in the World Cup cycle to become the U.S. men's national team coach. Ponchitino has had success in a past and is a dog. English is certainly his second language, but it was very late and everybody thought the U.S. men's national team was kind of ruining it. But he had a mindset the entire time. Like, I don't care about the gold cup. I don't care about the Super Duper Cup. I don't care about this other cup. I care about the World Cup. And he was trying to find his

team and set in the culture. And I think they found a company. When we all agree with that, I think that is legit. And it's, we're not floppers. We're dogs. And we are very proud to be an American. That is kind of what it feels like. Yeah, they're very talented bunch. And the key part is here. They're in pot one for the draw because they're a host. So you get a nice favorable draw to get into the knockout round and then just take off from there. And if you get into the knockout round, obviously, that's when you can just start really, you know, taking over gaining steam.

From Luna to obviously Burrhalter, we still got Polific who will be a player. We got studs. He scored, Polisic scored a massive goal in the Milan Derby yesterday, too. Like, everyone's balling right now. And the goalie, aren't both of our goalies good? Freeze stood on his head last night for NYCFCFC to make a massive upset in the MLS Cup as well.

Yeah, so I think we have, and our team will fight you, which I think is all we really want. Most important. Yeah, we're not flopping around. You actually quote-tweeted the Concafa clip and said, if this team's not flopping, I can be back in on them. And I think that's a real thing. Yeah, I don't really care if we win or lose,

but if we go out there and we look soft and lose, that's a problem. If we go out there and beat the fuck out of teams and then lose, let's go soccer. Like, I'm in on them. Let's go soccer. Yeah. Go ahead, AJ, you feel the same way? No, as long as the score doesn't matter.

As long as, like, you know you played the U.S. team. Like, you're beat up pretty good. Hopefully we win the game. But you want to beat that team that everybody is scared to play because they're physically intimidated by how your pace of play and the pressure you put on. Pace of play. Isn't that the thing with Ponce?

Ponce has a relentless pace of play. Kind of like Carlisle. Kind of like Carlisle. We run people off the field. I think the best coach in the world. Who's that? Ponch. Ponch, Pontio.

Not the best of all time. Much better than poop cardiola. Oh, you're saying bad things about poop cardiola. I don't think you know PEP at all. No, I don't. I just, I know he's, a lot of people would consider him, like, the greatest skipper of all time. But he's no Ponch-Ponchitino. I know that.

Yeah. I know that. You know, Punch-Ponsetino actually played in coach at Burnley at one point. No big deal. No. Yeah. Espaniel. Oh, shit.

Thank God. Okay. Oh, my God. Can be bringing Burnley tactics. I mean, all of a sudden. Me too, actually. That is much better. No, thanks, Burnley.

Yeah. Respect. Respect. Respect. Respect. respect. What position? All of them? Whichever one you needed. Yeah, the most important ones.

Yeah. But primarily center bat. I know what those are. Did you hear him talk to the media? No. Oh, it was awesome. You should. You would like him. I do like him. I love him.

No, but you would like, you would like hear him. I love him. I don't care what he has to say. Absolutely not. Until the World Cup, I certainly will not be looking at anything. Like Burrhalter, I love this guy. I don't give a rat's ass until he's. He's Dawn in the Stars and Stripes. You know, good luck in the White House.

I'm just telling you to give a little breath here. These are some names. It doesn't find its way to my algorithm. I don't know why. I don't know why. I'm hoping Ponchitino, Ponchatino. Yeah, I will, I'll take all the Ponchitino I can stomach. You remember the Elko Press interaction a few weeks ago?

Yes. Pontchino, same thing. And English second language. So him trying to find words to tell these people they need a fucking. I do like that. Yeah. I'll tell you it is. I'll watch it after the show.

And he loves America. He loves America. He talks about the greatest job. The whole thing, it's like, all right, dude, let's go win this thing. It's in America. And you said the hype is real done in South Florida, obviously. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, obviously, some melting pot, a lot of people from a lot of different parts of the world.

But people are very, very excited. I believe, shit, maybe last night my driver was telling me it's going to be seven games here or seven different places or something like that, seven or eight. So, yeah, they're excited. All the games are here. What? It's the host nation. I hope we have that.

They got like 60 games here. Or seven places, seven venues? Oh, like in Miami there. I mean, it's soccer, so I can fucking know, okay? I've been in so many of those combos. The guy said the number seven, and then you, whoa. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's sick.

No doubt. I'm here. Where you're from again? Let me pull, let me pull. There were seven somethings, man. Seven somethings feels like it's an important number. 11 cities in the U.S. Yeah, seven games probably in Miami.

In Miami. Probably seven games over Miami. it's going to be hot down there for now isn't the wait is the final no it's at jerry world yeah oh you know that yeah you know jerry's washing from the 50 oh who's good grass in uh i think everywhere yeah every single stadium which is obviously a big talking point it certainly will be about the NFL players saying what's this all about it's fucking other sports you know it's a world sport on america we don't need the we don't need the stadium where it rises and lowers and they grow it underneath like there it's true like there still seams in when it rises up

You know, it's actually at MetLife, the finals at MetLife. Oh, she did the Club World Cup final there, too, man. The Super-Duper 100 million one? Yeah, it's terrible. Why would they do it outside? Club World Cup. Yeah, let's slide. We got domes.

Like, what are we talking about? Let's have perfect weather. It's the Super Bowl. It's a World Cup, I guess. Soccer doesn't look right in the dome. I agree. In my opinion, I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah, I agree.

It should be outside. I'm going to get that outdoor air conditioning. When I watch Atlanta at sea, I want to throw up. That was Qatar. I don't think we have the same weather. Maybe Miami, I don't know, maybe down in Miami could get real hot, especially with that humidity down there. But in Cutter, sorry, I believe they did have to make

outside air conditioners blowing on the field because of how hot it was. It's very hot over there. Yeah. Very, very hot. Here, we've got, we'll see how the fields are. Should be good, and it's America. Millions of people died.

Let's go to the next overreaction for our football, the best football. Lord Zito, Viva, Zito, riding high. Hashtag, I don't want to react, but Ben Johnson is the old. him a difference maker. 12 weeks into his first season. He already has more wins than Iber Flues had in his entire time with Dub Bears. We got

duh guy hashtag dub bears with incredible AI work out of Zito there with Ben Johnson and the crown on. They should feel great about where they're at. Zito's buzzing around a Thunderdome. Oh yeah. The peak optimizing of the Thunderdome

is about to happen with Zito around here. We had an ice cream maker in here for the last three years. Nobody's ever touched it. automatically makes ice cream with it. We have a margarita maker that has been flipped into an ice cold Jack Daniels. He's got ice cold booze flown out. We got more internet pots it through this place. We have stuff being hung on walls.

I mean, Zito right now is in his bag, I think, is how you would describe it. But also with the Bears winning, I think, has helped his entire moot. Oh, yeah. I think life is a lot better for Zito. How about the gout? How about the gout, though, with the victory steaks? Is that happening? It's coming.

Yeah, these are big stakes he's awesome. And obviously he should enjoy them all. And I like how tender and juicy they all look whenever he posted is obviously a very, very well-cooked thing. But the Chicago Bears are for real. And they are the Kings of the North. And everybody that's a Bears fan is living like Kings right now, including Zito. And this is what Sunday nights are now for Zito. It's no longer just a celebration.

When I was growing up, we go down a Pirates game because it was a cheap ticket. We're going to see Zambelly Fireworks for sure. if the pirates win, that's a bonus. For Zito, if the Bears won, I'm going to eat a steak. I'm just going to treat myself to a steak. It was such an abnormal thing. It was such like a holiday, a celebration of sorts. Now it's just a weekly

occurrence. It's a new routine. I'm eating shit out of a perfectly cooked steak. I'm going to have a little broccoli and I'm going to pack it down. That is the biggest piece of brocolini I've ever seen in my life. It looks like he went out to his backyard and ripped an entire bush out of the ground.

Zito, you're not saying you're cooking. this, right? You ordered this? You ordered it? That looked like a 1933 or something like that was 1933? Who? H.C. Tavern. Good steak. Which executive chef is, you know, St. Elmo's guy, so. Yeah, great. St. Broccoli. I've seen that broccoli before. Hey, you earned it Z. A baby, Zee. You aren't it Zee.

Let's go to the next one, shall we? This one is obviously a loud Philly crowd. This runs from Michael Gettys at underscore Michael Gettis. Hashtack, I don't want to ever react but if Kevin Pallu Bolo didn't wake up with a horse's head in his bed today, then I don't know what the value of

Big Don has for the birds. Fire Patullo and a field upon it your own three Gibson into the sun and move on to the fraud bears. Hashtag go birds, dickheads. Love that. Love everything about that. But Tullo's not well like.

I saw a lot of people calling for Big Dom to do what Big Dom's supposed to do here. Bingo. For the good of the city, Big Dom, I thought that's what it was about. That's what everybody's kind of saying. Coach Siriani, he has to support Petulah. He hired him. With the city of Philadelphia, seemingly, the Johns are saying over there is, hey, Dom, that's not your job. Hey, Big Dom, your job is to look out for the city.

That is kind of what you do around here. What are you doing? Is that a just you were catching? Yeah, without a doubt. And that's why I kind of said, you know what? I'll go with the Godfather route. The horse's head in the bed, I think, is better than people basically. saying, hey, Big Dom, go take this guy somewhere and shoot him in the back of the head,

which is what a lot of it was. Like, people don't want him fired. They don't want him out of town. Philly, Philly. They want him fucking dead. Philly. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, Siriani, by association, gets a lot of that as well.

But he's a head coach of an eight and three football team. So, you know, I think Siriani, you know, you may be, maybe you're right to say, hey, Kevin Yublo, you know, this guy sucks. Pa, you blow. I think you can just get rid of that. Kevin Yubo, this guy, this guy sucks. at his job. That's what everybody's saying. And this isn't like a one week

thing. This has been going on since week one. Every problem that the Eagles have, the Eagles fans think. If we get rid of this guy, it's all gone. Think about how happy AJ will be. AJ will be getting the ball. Jalen won't have to deal with this entire thing.

Maybe Seekwon can do the Seekwon stuff. This guy, not the same as last year. Last year, good. Remember? This year, not good. This guy. Move him. AJ, that'll be a crazy move. We just saw Chip get fired out there in Las Vegas. Obviously, moves have been made midseason before.

Pittsburgh Steelers fired their offense coordinator last year. It is something that is feasible and possible. Do you think it's plausible with the Philadelphia Eagles? I think anything is possible with the Eagles. I feel like, yeah, with the reaction that we get, every single game they play, like, okay, let's say the Eagles pulled that game out and they won yesterday. Then, like, are we still killing, killing old, whatever are we going on now? Patula, what do you call?

Batula, yes, I have seen, like, I even saw a clip when Nick Foles was on a podcast talking about just, like, all the route combinations, how they're kind of predictable, and they're not, you know, they're not playing to the strengths of their receivers and everything, so I'm sure there's definitely something to it. I cannot imagine what those meetings are like, what do you think the staff meetings are like there, where you're trying, like, every, like, just trying to figure it out, trying to get going, what do you think, hey,

we're about to get going. I mean, AJ was hot early. He had multiple targets early in that game, multiple balls, like, you would think that would calm things down, but it didn't really. Do you think Seriani's telling Coach Patolo that on the internet they're calling him Paiublo and he doesn't think that? Do you think Siriani's opening meetings with that? Or how do you think that goes? I would assume so.

He's probably praising Vic Fangio for about 15 minutes and be like, unfortunately, Kevin, everybody hates your fucking gun. I don't really got anything positive to say about you. We better keep winning, you know, because you remember Brian Johnson a couple years ago, kind of same deal. You know, I didn't fire him midseason, but as soon as we got beaten the playoffs, you know, I'd beheaded a guy, had to, didn't have a choice. Why don't you call place? I saw MCDC do it. I saw MCDC do it.

I saw MCDC do it. Yeah, he looked pretty good. You know, you needed Jamar, Jimir Gibbs to run for 800 yards to beat the fucking Giants. So, yeah, if we want to act like MCDCs, you know, Tom Landry or, you know, Bill Walsh, we could do that. That's fine. I'm the fucking CEO of his football team.

I hire Kevin Picthulow. If he can't get the job done, you know, that's going to be. him and then maybe next year you know i i do dust off the old playbook and i call play oh really yeah i don't know wow i don't know but you know hey this is my decision and i understand this guy sucks at his job but it's close to holidays but thanksgiving's right around corn christmas you know i'm not your favorite side what's your favorite thanksgiving side i eat dog food only for uh thanksgiving don't even don't even cook a turkey takes way through

long 25 pound or that takes you what like 16 18 hours i'm a football coach you said i got fucking time. Do I of course not. So, you know, we'll see. I might do like... Kibbles of Bits, of course. Bacon mix. Yeah, exactly. If I'm really feeling up to it, you know, I might get like one of the nice bags of Purina. You know, like you feed your dog if he has a bad tummy. Like, maybe I do that for Thanksgiving

special occasion, but I don't have time to eat. Okay. You got a lot of drama over there. Yeah, I're calling for my job every fucking week. I want a Super Bowl last year. I'm 8 and 3 this year, and they're acting like I'm fucking, you know, Brand Staley. So I need to, you know, I'm trying to just

Keep my head above war every single week. All right, let's go to the next overreaction. That's probably good idea, coach. Thank you for joining us, Coach Tyriani. From Corey Buchanan. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact. But the Bucs are cooked. Get toilet Todd in this entire shitty coaching staff of Walmart application.

Absolutely embarrassing the way the box defense has played the last three games. Come back soon, Baker. You're our only hope. Baker getting hurt, blowout loss like that. Defense, obviously, playing against a juggernaut. I mean, it has looked. not good for the bucks. Is that three straight now?

Yeah. Losses? I think. Yep. Pats, bills. And then three straight, I think. Yeah, with five week Patriots, bills.

And now, yeah, yesterday. It looks so good there for a while. I mean, even with all the early wins, Baker was making magic late. Three straight and four or five. And walk off field goals. Yeah, last playboys. Yeah, exactly.

We're close, close, close. And then now you get kind of this mid-season stretch. Guys are banged up. Now your quarterback's banged up and this defense. I've been doing them any favors. They started five and one. This happened a couple times now with this Tampa Buccaneers with Baker at the home. And obviously injuries are part of that whole thing.

And Baker's happy. It's nothing, you know, structurally. I mean, but what Matthew Safford did last night was outrageous. I don't know if anybody's stopping them, but obviously getting blown out is not good news for a team that has hopes. Every time they show Coach Todd Bulls on his sideline, there's no nothing. I thought the same thing last time. What is he thinking?

They show them a lot. And it's just normally just the same exact reaction. action. I assume he's a guy that doesn't want to get too high or too low, like always wants to be the same. But your fans will definitely get to a point where what does this guy do? I don't see him doing it. Jim Caldwell was kind of in the same boat. Jim Caldwell was my first head coach, obviously was the head coach whenever we went to the Super Bowl and lost it. I love this. I love everything about how much fun they were having out there. But he never really got too high or too low. It was like always the same exact guy.

That's like kind of his style. That was his strategy. That was his entire technique. Bull is the same way, and they just catch him on camera every time doing his thing, and then they go, well, we're continuing to lose. You're doing nothing, so we need to get better. I do wonder how that will go. Yeah, if you don't win, if you don't win, no matter whether you're, like, say you're a super high energy guy in the timeline going crazy, yeah, or you are very stoic and don't have much reaction.

If you're winning, you're a genius, and it's great. And then if you're losing, then you suck and then what you fired. Yeah, everything's sweet whenever you're winning. And then Mr. Unlimited. Starts losing some games. Everybody starts pointing fingers a little differently. It's kind of the next other reaction, shall we? Riley Lewis at Lewis Riley.

I like how you did that. Hashtag I don't want to react. But Shane Stankin is a fraud? Oh, no. There are a lot of these today. I was, quite frankly, I was shocked. He sounds like it. Up 14 on the Chiefs, and he thinks it's time to coast.

It only took two weeks for this team to go from first place in the AFC to not making a playoffs. No way this team wins in Clontown or the Stridehouse. Hashtag clean house. Geez, Lois. That's a little bit too overreacting of an overreaction here. They're still the damn chiefs. Okay, there's still the damn chiefs.

But on that note, I'd not like what I saw either. That was a tough game to watch. I think a lot of flags made it a very difficult game to watch. I mean, there was a flag on basically every single play. And if there wasn't a flag, there's people begging for flags. And on the defensive front, it feels like if you run crossing routes against us, we're in trouble. It feels like we are in trouble. And I think this was something that Coach Lou Aniroum,

like circled and was excited about and Mooney obviously first game back so who knows how game shape and everything like that he is and how we will be going down there but I think Lou Anirumo was excited we had two number one corners so that he could go man and then Andy Reid said that's cute man

that's really cute are they as fast as our guys and are they going to be able to run just directly across the field every single time and they is this going to happen to us against everybody or Rashy Rice and Xavier Worthy a little bit different animal? Yeah we'll figure it I was Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City and

you know they just got dominated move the ball too well they had 33 first downs to our 10 you had 10 first downs all day and they obviously dominated you have 33 to 10 so you're not going to win many ball games even though we were up then late in the game there was the time I think around maybe five minute

mark around midfield where we probably should have went for it on fourth down because of how the game was going but yeah when you have the personnel you got all pro money you traded two first rounders for sauce gardener and you have Kenny Moore who's one of the highest paid best nickels in the game, you know, you got to be able to go men. And then up front, you got to get home.

And I would like to drop a robber in there, maybe get some more eyes on the quarterback to make some plays on the football. But this was a tough out. But I'm not, I'm not calling Shane Stinkie. They did a special last night on football in America where it was like all for the first three quarters, Colts did a lot of Russian three drop in eight. And then the fourth quarter, they decided to go, all man. And that's when they got beat.

But I didn't know, maybe this person who tweeted this isn't a Colts fan because everyone in the nation, all the teams, fanbases realized they had a chance up 11 to kill the Chiefs forever. And they didn't. Don't hold that against us. I think people. I think people are. No, we're a fun team. There's a lot

of people holding out against you. No, we're a fun team. You had a chance to kill them. No, but remember. They are who we thought they are and you let them off the hook. Yeah, exactly. I didn't see any of that stuff. That's the big thing, though. It's like every, in the last however many weeks, like if they had any type of lead, you salt the game away because Jonathan Taylor was rushing for 150 to 200 yards.

Yesterday was the first day where he didn't have like an otherworldly game. I think, yeah, he had 16 rushes for 58 yards. Like, he hasn't done that all year. So it was kind of just like one of those, you know, it was just the Chief's Day. And there should be a limit on how many times one guy can line up on gong calves

or whatever the fuck his name is because Chris Jones just kept lining up on him. It was just kind of over. Tony Romo kept saying, Chris Jones is another pressure. This is all happening because of Chris Jones, Chris Jones, Chris Jones, Chris Jones, Chris Jones, Chris Jones, and they show the replay, and it's like, yeah.

Chris Jones was certainly dancing with Danny Doms there for a while yesterday. And Dan Dyn Doms ate some big-time throws. I like that to be said. We learn from this and we move forward. They were outside on the grass, too. Who you play next? It's a big game. What's that?

Big one. Houston. Huge game. At home. Oh. Back at the fucking crib. That defense is on fire. As Arch Manning would say, yeah, you're right.

That's exactly what we want. It's a lot of time. Great opportunity. for the Colts. That's right. Is it Doug Mills? I hope not. No, that would be C.J. Sure, Doug Mills has got a hot hand right now. According to shit.

Are you reading their reaction tweets or is this real good? No, that's me brother. That's me thinking. Doug Mills, imagine what he would be doing if he was in Minnesota right now. Oh, my God. Dougie Mills and a Kevin O'Connell offense? Oh, my God. Oh, geez, especially how Paul and Biggie. He's built for Minnesota.

But he's going on out there. Like Glennon. Exactly. Glennon should have been with KOC. I don't know if they ever crossed path. Because Glennon said hut, and then boom. Yeah. You know what we're talking about?

Yeah. You got to have a good reach. Yeah, bring him, Osweiler. Did you imagine Brock? Oh, my God. Because as long as you can get the snap and then just see everything. You've got to know everything going on. This is the Caleb story.

Caleb reading the defense is pre-snap. No one where he's supposed. to go with the ball is a huge, that's a huge jump in football knowledge. That's a big deal. If I'm a Bears fan, that's what I'm maybe most excited about. It's like, before the snap goes, you know that he knows what's happening because he's turning his back and firing. That's a pick if he doesn't know what's going. He has to have full conviction about what he's supposed to do. So that's, that's really good news. I think if I'm a Bears fan is like, hey, he knows what the hell's going on right now. And that's only going to become more and more and more

as they go. And on the flip side, Minnesota doesn't feel like that. Let's get to Minnesota overreaction, shall we? It's from Ethan Iberg. Hashtag I don't want to overreacts, but the Vikings are the most doomed franchise in that have all history. Fourth best win percentage with no Lombardi's show for it. Allergic to finding a franchise quarterback, yet

always good enough to not have a good draft pick. I'm ready to join D-butt and find a new team. What do you think? Finally. I'm seeing more and more this every week. More and more. Come on. Especially as the season unravels. Don't let one franchise ruin your fucking happiness for what? five, six months, don't do it.

Yeah, you can't do it, especially if your team is one of those teams that potentially ruins people's happiness week in, week out. Vikings should not be that. Last year, Super Bowl, that's the big issue. It's like they had a team that we all thought could go on a run. And what all the experts were saying was if we get any semblance of quarterback play at quarterback for this Vikings team with how they're built, this team will be good. And also, don't look now, maybe they get better with JJ McCarthy actually.

Like, are stupid? Okay. We heard that a lot. A lot of people saying that. And then we heard Kevin O'Connell at the owner's meetings say the number one thing he looks for in a quarterback is accuracy. Isn't that what he said? Yeah. Yeah, that's a good pass.

So it was pretty. So like, he got hit. That wasn't the one I was talking about. I was talking about the later interception. Yeah, but it's like armed talent seemingly is what they were looking for. Jim Harbaugh said. Now granted, now granted, Jim Harbaugh was his college coach. And like he said, it was the greatest pro day he's ever seen.

I think of people that Jim Harbaugh said it was the best birthday of all time There's Jim Harbaugh. There's a lot of Harbaugh's it feels like in the media with JJ McCarthy. But when he said that though Exactly a lot of people saying the biggest poll or takeaway at least was Pennix. It was like oh okay accuracy. Penix is incredibly accurate but then Pennix went to Atlanta at 8 and nobody had that build at all. So maybe I mean I don't know and then Sean

Peyton also you know people are kind of circling back to Sean Peyton saying and like, I fucking told the Vikings we were trading up for J.J. McCarthy, and guess what they did? They traded it up to fucking steal them from us and we want to Bo Nakes the whole time. So it does feel as though. Sean said it in like 2024, I guess. Yeah, yeah, right after during that press conference.

So, I mean, who knows what happens, but it sure seems like they bucked it up. So people are saying. Plain and simple. And their fans are getting new team. More teams. That's the fourth winning percentage? Fourth highest. Nick Mullen's through 400 yards in this offense.

Twice. 400 yards That's the biggest Come on now Nick can spin it Yeah he can Yeah Yeah he can

That's the biggest knock on JJ Because of this KOC offense And how many people have we seen It's the greatest wide receiver In the history of football And him Just being like yeah I got to be part of the solution here

You know it doesn't matter what quarterback is I got to do my thing And then he starts seeing these balls go Coach O'Connell These are the worst throwing footballs I've ever I couldn't even tell you the last time I had throws like this Because he's obviously experienced bad throws throughout some point Sure

Yeah somewhere in high school maybe Play with Carson for a little bit too Yeah now I'm just thinking after Ty pointed out that throw That little video that we saw Of the receivers getting ready For the gaming suite That if they were on those things They had those gimmicks.

I missed this. Oh, you did. Yeah, what video? You're talking about the guy on the stilts. Oh, yeah. Walking. Oh. Yeah.

That would have to be right. It would be a brand basket. Yeah. So maybe he does have a little bit of a, what would that be called? Where objects in a mirror. Death perception? Yeah, maybe his depth perception, not great. Maybe wide receivers look bigger.

You know, like maybe it's so blurry. They're, like, stacked on top of each other. Does he need? So he thinks he's. hitting him right in the helmet turns out he's 12 feet james situation yeah he needs lacy boom nine needs better eyes that could be the problem i'm back in all right you need to get lacy it helps james's catching touchdowns now yeah yeah i haven't seen that one i've heard the depth except near side at far so i haven't seen where a six-foot guy looks 16 feet no it's just

blurry you know how people say they see two different things instead of seeing two different ones they're just stacked on top of each other so you're almost james oh Look at get all for me. He said he's available to do anything to make the team better, including playtime. Hey, he, he, hey, hey, hey, he. Pull the nice, James. He's the best. Love everything about him.

Very thankful that football exists so that we can live in a world where James Winston can catch a touchdown and stiff arm, somebody, break a tackle, and shake somebody at the same time. Shout out James doing his thing. Always, when they put this play in, he probably told somebody, I'm going to catch that thing. I'm going to shake a guy I'm going to make a stiff arm spin move break a tackle touchdown just why I can do I assume that was he's always expecting the most epic outcome

James yeah which is why I think we love him yeah probably told Gunner just I don't care who's I don't care if I'm dumb just throw that bitch up I'm gonna go get it yeah I'm a Heisman bitch I mean not to mention too we inside but we outside we outside but we inside before the game started

Of course and that's another pregame speech that just go ahead and save it lock it in for the rest of time for football. I love James. That's a tough down for that defendant. Yeah, I have his name, but I feel like I shouldn't say. He's heard enough. He's a good player. He's a good player.

Detroit won this game, and James Winston talked about how happy he was that Gunner gave him a shot. He said, every once in a while, you just need a quarterback to give you a chance. You heard him start talking about that, and Gunner pulling the trigger for him, and for all of us, really. Thank you for throwing that. Gunner. Thank you for

throwing this. We need James. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Hawk Lurker at Lurker Sports. Interesting. Hashtack, I don't want to react. But don't look now, but the Cowboys are all the way back. The gamblers fucking back, baby, and this team has a belief in a cause. Eight straight wins to end the season is

on the table Undertaker Giff of them coming back from the dead. But it's not just the dead. It might be three miles under earth. Is there $100 billion of natural gas also flowing through that building right now? Is that team's cooking? I think Jerry Jones is excited. He's doing his press conferences after games where it's like it's 1921.

and everybody has their recorders around his face, just as close as possible, a COVID nightmare. I can't believe we ever got these. Remember, there was time we never thought we'd have moments like this. That was only with the advancement of technology and kind of how things go nowadays. Jerry's the only one that walks right into a media pool

and says, come on in, come on in, as close as you can. He's got 10 microphones within six inches of his mouth. Just everywhere from all different angles, and everybody wants to hear what he has to say. Jerry has created something special, and I think he thinks what he did with his team is magical. I think he's pumped up about where they're at. And once again, their team is what, 5-5-1?

They're a 500 team with a tie. 500 team with a tie. And all anybody's talking about is Jared Jones got these Dallas Cowboys maybe ready to run for a playoff. He's a fucking genius whenever it comes to business in picking up George Pickens, obviously, a massive move, loading up on a defense.

Quentin Williams is coming like a leader of that entire team. It's like Jerry Jones should be taking a victory lap. Are they really back, though? I mean, that's still in it. You never want to be, you know, five, five, and one at this point in the season, but it's all in front of them. You got the highest paid quarterback in the league who's still spinning it. You got two number one wide receivers.

You got a good run game, good old line, good pieces on defense. Once again, I still think Fluce is a good defensive coach. You know, you've got to figure it out. And they start getting these turnovers and making plays, man. It's not going to be a team you want to face down the stretch. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, and Thanksgiving. We kind of had a little bit of a 30-second conversation,

Ty and I about how Chiefs Offensive Guard, Tray Smith, All-Pro stud. He's out for them. For the Eagles, the strength of their own line, of course, they got, you know, big Ouse on the outside, or not Ouse, but whatever you get it. Jordan Mila on the left,

and Lane Johnson was out, but their middle three is stout. And Osa, Quinn and Williams, and Kenny Clark kind of had their way with them. And now you're talking about one of the best offensive line for the Chiefs being out in the middle. I kind of love the Cowboys against the Chiefs

on Thanksgiving, but I don't know. Matchups, matchups are a thing. Huge. And Jerry wanted to, of that defense aligned to be stout. Got to be able to stop the run. Got to be able to press the pocket from inside, make these quarterback start dancing with their feet.

That's what we do in Philadelphia Eagles. Jerry Jones knows ball. I'm trying to win games now. They got Maka, and we got what we got, and we tied. Next question is how he talked about Maka after the tie ball game with the Green Bay Packers. But it's like, why not get excited about this Cowboys team? And they got a lot of potential bunker mentality over there.

A lot of bunker mentality. And they're really fun to watch, too, on top of it. I mean, like, that game yesterday, where both teams seemed like they each fumbled about 30 times in the last 10 minutes. Nobody really wanted to win. But, God, and then you look at Brandon Aubrey. It's like if they're ever in a close game, like you have to feel pretty good if you're a Cowboys fan. Like, hey, we have a massive advantage here.

We got to, you know, wherever we're out on the field, Brandon Aubrey might be good from 75. So, like, if you're a Cowboys fan, I think you're in a pretty good spot today. Long snapper recovered of punt fumble as well. Obviously, Anger hit a bomb that set that entire thing up. Aubrey making a game winner. Had a miss earlier, which was alarming. I almost, whoa, I thought there was a glitch in the TV. That's what it's like for them down there.

And Shottie, obviously, enjoying the high life with a backwards visor after a game, which we love. Elijah Clark, absolute monster, AJ. I know you've seen the clip by now, obviously. Everything that's good with football happens in this play for Elijah Clark, AJ. Yeah, I know. I know it's been talked about a bunch and shown, but it's, yeah, it's one of those plays. Great play by the Gunners as well. unbelievable like the gunner here

playing or what's 21's name again? corner yeah it's Sidney brown that dude's explosive and very sudden as well but yeah you talk about like yeah that right there is the encapsulate that that's what effort is like that's you're never out of the fight it's going back to the old picture the old the old duck the frog

eating the duck in his neck his hands around his like I said a couple weeks ago like that's an example of that right there in that play I'll get knocked down five times I don't care I'll get up and still cause a fumble yeah the duck is eating the frog the frog before going down the duck's throat. Him not falling in. Yeah, great battle.

That second time is crazy. Especially the hip, I mean, Sidney Brown, to your point, perfect rep on him. This time, boom, fan. 14 plays this really well, too. He walls off his guy 80 right there.

Like, he walls him off the entire time, and he's the other one who gets in on this play, too. Like, that was just perfect. Yeah, great leverage. So you've got to clip him. You got to hit him in the back. If you're going to hit him so he can't really do anything, yeah, it's beautiful.

Yeah, the leverage, too, front shoulder of Returner because Returner's taking it to field there. So not getting out leverage, beautiful, him getting back into his lane. Now, anytime you're behind somebody not good, okay, that's not good. But obviously, he was knocked off track by Cindy Brown. So him getting back out there making a play, it's all beautiful. It's all, it's absolutely beautiful. It is, that is awesome to watch.

I get so excited, I almost went outside and see if I can punt. I thought to myself, how many Elijahs are out there. There is. There we go. They don't give up. That's a different? Yeah, it's a new one. It's got pink eye, I think.

All right, so who wins? Frog definitely one of this. Frog, yeah, frog got this one. That bird does not look like it's a good safe. It's going to die anyway. Yeah, but is that locked jaw? Like, if this thing dies right now, can you even open the mouth? You're talking about whenever a human body is rigamortis?

Yep. That's what you're talking about? Yes. Well, I wonder, because it appears if frog still has life at this moment. Oh, yeah. Right, because it's still gripping. He's got a tight grip, yeah. But is that rigamortis as well?

Could be. are they both did a draw of draws maybe but no he let him go the duck has to make a decision hey do I open my mouth and let this guy out or do I just get choked to death so he eventually is probably going to let

go and then they both live but the frog goes and he kills him from behind after he says fair game okay where's that at is that on the next page that's the next slide but we don't have that one with us unfortunately the frog always survives that's the point of the poster never give up oh I thought it was just like hey

That frog's still alive. Is this the same frog from the other picture? The same. How do we know it's not about the duck, though, being like, never give up? Keep eating. Cheaping your fucking food. Keep chewing. Yeah, there's a chance.

There's a chance. Get it done, even if there isn't room. Get it done. That water foul has no chance. Is that what that is? It's not a duck. I thought it was a stork, honestly, first time I saw it. Me too.

But it could be a more. I'd tell you what, I feel like northeasterners, better with the water birds? Yeah, probably because a bunch of different kinds, especially with the weather change. Okay, so we have cranes here in Indy on the water. We have American

and Ball Eagles. Yeah. We salute them. We got ducks. Mallards. Canadian geese. Those are the worst. Loons. Yeah, they don't have a little. We need to send them back to Canada. Not a doubt. The Canadian geese.

We are right in a great migration pattern to see all sorts of waterbirds. Yeah, so there's, is a lot, but none of those ones, the ones that are all on the ocean. There's, there's those ocean birds. The goals. There it is. Yeah, there's a lot of ocean. Yeah, those types of things.

Because, yeah. Birds, dinosaurs? Some. Because we all know, like, alligator crocodile. Yeah, direct descendants. For sure. Dinosaur. Yeah, a lot of people say that dinosaurs had feathers, so. The American Eagle,

the bald eagle, when that thing opens up like this, first of all, you hear it when it's taking a off thing. But it's got a little body in there. It's got a little body under there where it looks like you could actually

body punch it a couple of times. That's how big that thing is as it's moving. Good luck. It's like that's a big fucking bird right. Huge. That is a huge bird. And it does whatever it wants.

Owns this guy. Picks up a duck. Sorry, duck. Hits it on the ice. Yep. Night night. Now if that was a bald eagle in that picture.

Sorry, frog's gone. He ain't giving up. you can't try that it will when his head's gone that things are over yeah soon as it picks it up as soon as it picks it up i think the eagle would actually do this with his claws oh that's fun talons are so sharp it's probably he's probably

piercing him right through the frog anyway they're going out his back and coming out of his stomach and he's dead instantly yeah you're right because especially with soft skin yeah smaller beak as well so the first bite is just face and brain yeah yeah out yeah so what we're saying is that frog gave up before it even knew it was in a fight yeah and it wasn't

it that gave up it was the body that just kind of disappeared. Fair? These eagles are smart, man. They are smart. Separate from others. They'll use their things like little dexterity. Oh, yeah.

I've seen them toss goats. Yeah, pick up rhinoceros. Humans? I don't know about rhinoceros. Seen it. Where, like a zoo? No, no, no. They don't let that happen at the zoo.

Pay me right now? Mm-hmm. Out on the Serengetti. Yeah. There's eagles out there? Or they could go wherever. It's a far flight. Yeah, it is.

but they rule all skies. And all rides. That's right. Well said. All right. Let's get to another overreaction. It's from Adam Schwinn. Hashtag I don't want to overreact.

But the Kinsey Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl. Everybody in their hearts were cheering against Chiefs because they know if they get in, it's over. Fear is setting in. Realization is becoming real. And like you said, the Chiefs, I didn't say that. It's still the Chiefs. That's kind of what I was thinking whenever they had four minutes and 30 seconds. seconds left. You never really think the chiefs aren't the chiefs in that moment.

As soon as Patrick Mahomes jogs on that fucking field, okay, and does his thing. And they show Andy Reed with a fucking play sheet. Rigoberto and the boys do an incredible job and get a penalty. Have them start at their own fucking two-yard line here, okay, up by three. That's exactly where you want. Full field to work with you get into field goal range, even though Bucker has a big leg. And they just did the same shit they did basically all game, but all in one drive. And they just walked right down, took out the whole clock.

They get this two-yard line. Okay, they get to the two-yard line. I'm thinking to myself, they're going to score a touchdown. All we needed was to hold for a field goal. They're going to score a touchdown against us and win this game. And then tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. We ran out of timeouts. All of a sudden, it was under a minute, and they were like second down and goal on like the two.

I'm like, we fucking lost this game. We didn't even get the ball back. And then somehow they hold him. Thank God. He kicks an extra field goal. They tied up. We go to overtime. We take the ball first.

Three and out. The boys hadn't been on the field in like 45 minutes. It's been like an hour since the boys have been on the field. with how and what Patrick Mahomes did with two minute warning, other fucking TV timeouts, and having the ball for 98 yards. I mean, the boys had weren't on the field forever. Three and out,

fuck, Patrick Mahomes goes on the field. Your immediate thought is Chiefs still the Chiefs. Chiefs are going to score a touchdown right here, and they did. And, you know, just like the sports books thought with the Baltimore Ravens, whenever they were downing out early, the sports book said, Ravens are going to come back. Ravens are going to come back. I think we all need to do the same thing. No matter how

ass they've looked, the Chiefs is still the Chiefs until further notice. Now, there's somebody on this stage who said that it's not a question mark on if they still got it. It's actually an exclamation point that says they don't. You thought the chiefs were dead. Did they earn your trust or fandom back into their dynasty conversation? We had a chance to kill them in their house, and we did not. So they're not dead until they're actually dead.

But I'll stand on what I say. I don't think they're going to run this year. I don't think they won the Super Bowl. I think the dynasty is still alive and well with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. But not this season. Yep So the Colts aren't real either That is what you're saying

No, we're real Okay We'll bounce back Hell yeah Colts are still the favorite To win the NFC Boom Boom

I like that AJ I don't like that we didn't win that game I didn't like that I mean you know In the grand scheme of all But you know Sometimes you might need a tough road loss Like that

To catapult you You know Into the playoffs Yeah you're right A good loss Whenever you look back on Learning Hey little perspective putter

This is the top of the class Here this is what happens When we go to their place now we lose in Pittsburgh too we lose in Kansas City you know start asking some questions like how you need we're going to need to win more games boys

because we're going to need to have home home field a lot house a little different than everywhere else we need to start getting after it here and I got faith in him I got faith in him Zaire made a hell of the play

guy balance on Zaire's helmet it was like a Spanish fly guy does a front flip Zay does backflip strips them in the middle of it ball out Colts ball it was like love that that's happening and thought it was like news for us. Danny Dimes makes some good

throws. We have a couple, you know, little moments of greatness. And then Chiefs just, Chiefs, says, I can't have it. Yeah. Are we good enough to win a Super Bowl? Big one this week. A huge one is. And we just a little bit excited because we're finally fucking a team worth watching. You know,

that's kind of the battle that I've done. House money. That's how I'm viewing it now. Just house money. We're playing with House money. You're right, because it sucked. Exactly. We already hit our overs on Team Total wins this season. This is all House money. We didn't expect this. We shouldn't be here.

We should. Somebody's going to be here. Exactly. But, I mean, think about what is starting to be built in both of our buildings. That's just kind of what I fall back on. Yeah, this is an early start for whatever it's about to be. Now, granted, we don't have Danny Diamond's on contract after this year. And Jonathan Taylor's going to need to be paid.

They will. They'll figure it out. The big three figured out. Yeah, you're right. Big three. Big three. Colts is the Colts still. No, no.

Colts is going to be the Colts. Again. C-G-B-C-C-G-B-C-A. Colts going be Colts again. Get to the next overreaction. I don't want. They were favored in Kansas City. That's what the Colts were. Think about that.

Yeah, it was kind of bad news going in. Weren't we favored? No, three and a half-point dogs. But even that. Oh, I should have known. Great cover. I should have fucking. It was a great cover.

That was a good cover. I should have known, man. I just didn't even look at it. Give me the Colts. I was wearing Travis's shirt. And it get blown out, though. Like, if they go into that game and get beat by three touchdowns, then it's like, oh, wow. Blown out by the Chiefs this year?

That's what I'm saying. It's like, oh, boy, we really are a class below all these good teams. But, yeah, fought tooth and nail. Yeah. Yeah. They tried hard. It's going to close that. Age?

I don't like that. Try hard. They played hard. Would you take the ball? Do you win the toss? No. I wouldn't. So Tony Romo made a great point.

Tony Romo immediately upon us taking the ball said, I'd rather have four downs instead of three. So it'd be good to know what I need to do. But I don't know. Like, yes, on that note, yes, I think it's the right decision. But I had a thought there for a while where it was like, if you have a very good defense and you've invested in your defense, your defense knowing what it needs to do is a good piece of information.

Like I think that could be a good piece of information. Now, granted, defense can't automatically score or, you know, kind of handle it. and answer and an added play knowing that you have to score a touchdown is a very big piece of information or knowing that you have to kick a field goal. If it's fourth and 10 on your own 30, it doesn't matter because you have to go

kick the field goal as opposed to punting that and then the other team coming down and kicking a field. Don't even think about your team. You don't want to give Patrick Mahomes four downs. You don't want to score a field goal and then Mahomes knows that he can have four downs. Yeah, it just... I always kick it.

Always. And the Colts as a team this year, I think they take the ball first more than any other team in the league. That's just Shane's thing. But OT, I want to go on defense first. If I know we're getting a shot, which the new rules we are,

yeah, I want to know exactly. You're a quarterback. As soon as Tony Romo said, I'd rather have four downs instead of three. I was like, yeah, you two. That kind of puts it all over to bed right there. Yeah, and to your point about Patrick Holmes, I don't think it would have mattered.

Yeah. You're right, yeah. But on a note, data taken. Regulitated, maybe we'll change for the future. Let's get to the next one. It's from Chris Bourdine. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but... That W felt like an L.

O.T. on a short week to beat the Giants. Now they'll lose to the pack on Thanksgiving, as his tradition. Lose to the Rams in a couple weeks. Brad needs to stop smelling his own shit and actually improve this team in the offseason. Hashtag one, pride. This is how Detroit feels after Jemir Gibbs goes for four. 175 yards. Yeah, I'll tell you what, this is how a lot of people in Detroit feel.

I'm a little bit torn, because on one hand, you watch that game, we look like absolute shite. The Giants should have won. They actually had a fourth down in our red zone to win that game. We should have lost instead, on the flip side, why I'm torn, because as we go down, we kick a field go, go to overtime, we win the game. We'll win to win. We'll take that. But at the end of the day, we just don't look like how we looked last year. Last year, we were so dominant. It was like that team could win the Super Bowl. Right now, a lot of teams don't feel that way, or a lot of fans don't feel that way in Detroit. So we're a little torn, but got to beat the Packers. If they beat the Packers, no one will care anymore.

Special on Thanksgiving. Exactly. That's Lions Day. It is tradition. Streg's calling them a dome team. Was Shrague saying they're strictly a dome team that can't went outside? He basically was saying that today, and luckily, we're in a dome until the last game of the year against the Bears. So we're in a good spot.

Oh, that game won't matter probably either. We'll win that one, though. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. of course you will. Congrats Fox. You've reached the fan-based status where you guys aren't happy

with just winning. It needs to look good, too. Yeah. It's very different than what three years looked like. Three years ago looked like for you guys. Definitely. It's kind of weird because like I said, wins, win,

and I'm pumped up. But also, they were so good last year and something's missing this year. The Lions fan from last week, did you guys get along? Did you guys talk? Because remember, you said you hated him. Yeah, I was really mad.

And then about three days later, he actually tweeted at me and basically said, wow, I really upset Foxy here and I just said charge at the game overreaction Monday, no big deal. Okay, so bygones be bygones. And now we're all on the same page. Just don't look like a championship team.

This is one pride, one team, one sound, one band. Let's go to the next one. Dan, Mr. Roman, 1927. This guy's old. This guy's old. Hashtack, I don't want to overreacts. But? Micah Parson looks like Lawrence Taylor the way he's manhandling,

opposing offense alignment and wrecking quarterback's lives. If the DB start catching those wobblers that hit him in both hands, then there's nothing stopping Toyotathon, Jordan Love from running the table. Obviously, Ty, you're an owner of the Packers. You picked this particular overreaction. Just kind of hit on everything you were thinking.

Toyotathon, some DBs dropping balls. Micah dominating. And is that kind of why you picked this one? Yeah, a little bit because the turnovers, I mean, you know, they got a couple yesterday, but that's been the big thing is they have been dropping a lot of interceptions. And I saw a lot of people were bitching about the Packers offense yesterday, but I'm pretty sure Matt LaFleure was just thinking, like, listen, you know,

JJ McCarthy is not going to engineer several touchdown drives here. We've seen what's happening. Like, their pass rush was kind of dominating. But the big thing is, like, Mike, Michael Parsons is as advertised. And I think their defense is unbelievable. Obviously, J.J. McCarthy hasn't been playing great. But, you know, when you have a guy like that who can single-handedly take over games, like, it just, yeah, I'm feeling, I'm feeling very good.

I'd like the offense to be a little bit more aggressive. But again, yesterday without Josh Jacobs, without Matthew Golden, like they really didn't need to do anything. They just needed to run the ball and let the defense kind of dominate the game, which is what they did. And Green Bay and Micah really getting a lot. I thought about this. Micah State College, small town.

Goes to Dallas. A lot of shit, obviously gets into it, big time. Goes back to small town. I wonder if he doesn't, you know, need all the big city stuff that Green Bay potentially lacks versus Dallas. and I saw him and the fans having a good time. Obviously, his paycheck's a big deal. But the way he's playing and the way he's acting,

it feels like you guys are in a great spot up there in Green Bay. Yeah, and I don't know, because I assume that most Dallas fans, I mean, I guess towards the end, you know, he was probably getting a lot of shit for doing the podcast and, like, some of the stuff he was saying. Which we gave shit to him for. Yeah, exactly. Because there was, like, a lot of negative energy seemingly coming out of the podcast.

Not that guys shouldn't do podcasts. I had a podcast whenever I was live, and I support players doing their thing. But it felt like Michael was so good at football, and the only negative was just, coming out from this podcast. It's like, you have a chance to make so much money from football right now that you're not going to be able to make in the future. Obviously, you're great on a microphone and there's a lot of sound bites. We were even saying, like, is it worth this right now? And I think he's backed away from there, right? Yeah, he's not doing it this year. And he said,

basically, I want it, I want it to be all about football when I get here. And, you know, again, it was his decision to do the podcast and everything. But learned his luck. I think you learned. And I think for Packers fans, it's just been, like, this guy is just such a godsend. like they haven't had a guy this dominant on defense maybe since like charles woodson you know one defensive put like it's been a long time and he's and he's just so consistent like week in week out he kind of does what you expect him to do and you know he's getting double teamed all the time like christian daresaw is one of the highest paid tackles in the NFL and mike had just kind of had his way with him yesterday so yeah i mean i just you know what it they're still kind of waiting for

everything to come together i don't think they've played their best game. But again, this defense is going to keep them in every game. Like, I don't see them getting blown out by anybody. So as long as the offense can kind of, you know, come along a little bit and start to get healthy and get some people back. Like, I know, and this, again, as a Packers fan, like this hasn't been the case in maybe 15 years. Like, I know the defense is going to have a stout effort week in and week out. AJ, they seemingly like each other too. A lot of celebrating there for the boys on defense aside. Yeah, I mean, look at the push the interior D-lines. DeVante White The Interior D-Lyman gets two sacks in this game.

Like, they're getting great push. And when you can get great push inside and you have Micah Parsons on the outside, like, come on, man. Like, you're going to win a lot of football games with your defense if you can do that. And that's what Carmine said. Exactly. I need somebody to get to that quarterback. You're going to pay them up?

Absolutely. That's 48Ms a year sound. Just get to the quarterback, brother. And he has. Find yourself a little house here, maybe have a view of Lambo. Yeah, he might buy Roger's old house. He said he's been looking at it. He should.

Really? Yeah. Him and Tucker Kraft both said like, yeah, you know, we've checked it out, considering it. Are they going to move in together? I don't think so. And I think if it becomes a bidding war, I think Mike has a little bit more money that Thorpecraft is. He's about to get broken off here soon, but Mike Parsons is making a lot money. Yes, he is.

And if he wants Rogers' house, he can go ahead and get it. And what if he just loves Green Bay? What if this is the place he's supposed to be in? What if this becomes just a mainstay for the next 10 years up there in Green Bay? I mean, I think that's the plan when you give us. up as much as they gave up to get him and you pay him the way they've paid him like i i hope he's expected to be there for the long haul and boy he's still so young that's that's what's you know how's your love again yeah his shoulders kind of banged up he was kind of he was handing off with like

his off hand yesterday several times so i hope he's good to go uh thursday i assume he will be but again like he didn't they didn't need to emmanuel wilson came in and they had their you know he had more rushes than Josh Jacobs had gotten all year and he rushed for over 100 yards in his first start. He picked up a couple first downs when they needed him to, but it really was just hey, let's control the clock because if we get a 10 to 14 point lead, the way Minnesota is playing, it's going to be very, very difficult for them to come back. But he's going to have to, he's going to have to air it out and he's going to have to play a good game on Thursday. Backhanded handoffs. He did that several times, several times. And that's what they're saying.

They don't know if that was maybe a product of his shoulder being kind of banging. up. Maybe he's changing the gate. He could be. He could be. It's Toyota-thon. He, you know, he tends to do crazy shit during that. So maybe he is just saying, you know what, this is actually a little bit better off. All right. Let's go to the next overreactions from AD Sugar. Hashtag I don't

want to overreact. But the Rams going to win a Super Bowl. Our 9 is going to win the MVP. Defense making more plays than the Eagles offense in the second half. We are the number one team in the NFL. Aaron Donald coming out of retirement to get him another ring. Hashtag Ram's house. We talked about this earlier, AJ.

Aaron Donald's in shape right now. Yeah, very good shape. He should come make a good playoff run. Oh, my gosh. He was in the building last night. Obviously, he sees the way the boys are cooking. He's Aaron Donald, 10 years in the NFL, eight of them, first team all pro. Obviously, three MVP's, Super Bowl championship.

He had a run that is obviously historic and worthy of the Hall of Fame. If he was to come back just for week 17, 18, and a playoff run, with that D-Line, it would be epic. This happened with Grunk. This happened with Tom. This will happen with all the greats. that look like they can still play. It's a good position for Aaron Donald. I wonder if he watched last night live in person and said,

it's kind of fun. They're kind of eating up all the double teams right now. Maybe I come back and steal another, who knows, 10 sacks doing a playoff. Maybe I could just go crazy through six, seven games here and pick up maybe 15, 16 more sacks and just see how the year can go. And maybe another Super Bowl ring.

But also, is Rams defense? I don't think they need them right now. I think they are in a great position. Debutt. Their fans are pumped. Let's go to their last overreaction here. This is from hashtag Tommy Mann sorry, hashtag I don't want to ever react. But James Winston is

the most electrifying player in a league and COC better be doing everything in his power to have that man in a Vikings uniform by day one of free agency because I'm tired of watching his bum. J.J. Ruin prime years of Jettos and Addison's career. All right, I think we hit it all. I think we hit it all.

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