The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1461 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 13 Recap

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Pat, Darius Butler, and the boys break down the biggest storylines of week 13 of the NFL season including an incredible Thanksgiving slate, in this week's FIRST 15. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There's so much to talk about. There's so much to overreact to. In these Mondays, of this particular season, we've been trying to put together like a scripted play. You know what I mean? We've been trying to, like, do this thing, how everybody else does it. There's so many things to talk about. Let's go ahead and zero in on five of them.

You remember we started doing this? We've continued to do this. Yeah. I think, you know, what do we, we, going into week 14, about the wrap up, week 13, I think we can get better. I think so, too. Postseason form, damn near. But also, on the flip side of that, I'm pretty proud that we're still doing it.

True. This felt like something early that we were going to get sick of and we just have continued to power through. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15 driven by RAM.

Here we go. You know, whenever you hit the gas pedal on a RAMRAM truck, you're going to hear and that's what we're about to do through the top five headlines coming out of Week 13's NFL, Sunday, Saturday,

football, Friday, Thursday. You get it. Put the clock down, please. Let's get started. Number five headline. The jig is up. The booze are out. They finally.

The Renegade! Boom! Shut off! It's so! Boom! But your town now! Boo! What was that all about, boys?

Oh. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It happened. Run it, Foxy. They're booing renegade in Pittsburgh. Oh, no. We're turning into the room.

This guy's toking on. This guy's choking almost dying. It was cold. Sad. Oh, mama, I'm in fear for the Steelers there are booing their ass at home. I mean, that's happening in Pittsburgh. That's a time art tradition. Renegade plays.

The entire city goes crazy. Babies at McGee's Women's Hospital, where I was born over there in Oakland, are standing up in their little things doing the day. Oh, mama, that is what Pittsburgh's about that moment. Highlights of the defense, just demolishing people. It has been symbolic of what the Pittsburgh Steelers are. Steelers fans for the third time this season playing good teams are now losing by double scores, double digits.

And they had to lead at the halftime of all of them. So these yinzers are going to these games. Some of these things end in real late. Last night, obviously freezing cold. You saw how cold every yinzer was in the crowd. They have the lead at halftime in all of them. Seahawks 14-7. Remember that day?

That was a long time ago. That was whatever we were talking about. Maybe the Seahawks, yep, maybe the Seahawks, by the way. And then Green Bay Packers, they were done 7 to 16, 16, 7. The Steelers were up. Green Bay Packers would go on and win by two scores. And then Pittsburgh Steelers, 7.3, a half. 7.3.

Three points. This is good. Yeah, he's good. This is Pittsburgh, Josh Allen. This guy's ass. First play in the second half, Boas says, hey, Aaron, don't break your nose. Baj. Shrip sack, having the whole thing.

Game changes completely. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are sitting there wondering what the hell were we thinking when we bought into this team winning the Super Bowl this year. That is what Yinzers are thinking. That is what Pittsburgh Steelers faithful are feeling. And when Renegades getting its ass boot, that's obviously problematic. And then he go to the end of the game. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are very good at doing things.

And that is unified chance calling for somebody's ass to not be around anymore. Oh, no. Fire home! Fire! This is not good. We are from Pittsburgh. We've experienced this before. Our show has actually been a vehicle for Yinzer's

to get their points across to the Pittsburgh Steelers' ownership in the Rooney family. Canada, back Canada. They were chanting, fire, Canada, in Utah, on the Capitol in D.C. At Pittsburgh Penguins games. At JMU, they were chanting it. 20,000 plus were chanting it.

Whenever Yinsers find something, that they're all unified upon and they've given up. They're going to let that be heard a lot. This chant started there. And I appreciated Mike Tomlin's response. Mike Tomlin said, hey, listen, I share their frustration tonight was tough to watch. And it's like, I appreciate Tomlin's answer, Coach Tomlin's answer. Coach Tomlin is obviously an incredible speaker and a good leader, which is why he's been

who he is. But boy, Pittsburgh seems to be completely fed up with them right now. And I heard some things said earlier on the show on Get Up. Yeah, first take, Stephen A. He was talking about how any other nine years, no playoff win, you'd be gone, especially in a city like Pittsburgh, which is such a football town. I think that was a very valid point that he made. Now, he did talk about con, the con artist, the GM, and he said there was no moves made.

Actually, there was a bunch of moves made, which is why this year felt a little bit different at the beginning. Tone, I don't want to say you speak for all of Pittsburgh, but I do think you are a good representation of how Steelers fans could potentially feel about the team, being that you are a diehard of the squad. What are your thoughts and why do you think it's a boiling point at this? Because it feels like this has been lingering for what, four or five years. Yes. And then now it's like we're done showing up for you guys to get your ass kicked and don't even play Renegade. Is that what they're thinking? Yeah. Last night was the tip of the spear, the boiling point is, if you will.

Everyone. It's been split about, you know, the coaching staff changes, stuff like that, but everyone is now on the same page. I got a lot of text last night and this morning, Hey, you okay? Yeah, yeah, I am. Like, because this is, everyone's on the same page now, okay? We can't have this anymore. Nine years without a playoff win is absurd. Three playoff wins in the last 13 years is absurd.

Yeah, they've got 21 straight seasons without a losing season. That's really good, but it's not good enough when you're not winning playoff games. Yeah, but you can put it on a shirt. You could put it on shirt and you can say it and the national media can be like, yeah, if this guy gets fired, he's going to have a job the next day, which might be right. And Mike Thelman is a great. coach. He's a Hall of Fame coach. But sometimes the voice just, it runs dry in the locker. I don't know. No one's on the same page. Aaron is talking about people not showing up for meetings and

film and stuff like that. TJ's talking about literally the same play that they've run over and over and over for the bills. And they couldn't stop it once. Julian Edelman has come out and said that they know exactly what plays are going to be running against Steelers defense. Jamar Chase has done the exact same thing. It just got to a point, I think it's got to the point with the fan base and the city that it just this is just this is not the Pittsburgh Steelers you watch the product and it looks nothing like them the fans are are done with it everyone is is done with it we've all had enough dbut how do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room feels cam heyward obviously said he got need in his stomach and he didn't like how disrespect that he was he also probably

didn't love that they did run the same duo play basically with james cook and had the same outcome every single time it cracks seal five in a row he's out yeah there's five straight plays is doing the same thing and they're all very successful Yes. This has been something that I think a lot of Steelers fans have kind of been talking about with the defensive side of the ball, which Mike Tomlin came from. It's like the defense is terrible. And there's no adjustments. And whenever they talk about being predictable and the players on the field know that? Is that kind of like, if I remember, and you would have to correct me, you would be the person to correct me here. Legion of Boom, they played like the same shit, right? But you had to beat them. That was kind of the case. Is that what the Steelers mindset is too? And has it always been that way? Or why do you think the Steelers are where they are? And how do you think the players feel with all the outside noise about maybe this being the final time? of the Tomlin. Yeah, I feel like we've heard a ton of people, whether it be players or coaches, talk about in the positive light, how, hey, these are the same blitzes,

these are the same this, the same that, the Legion of Boom, they did their thing. When the Broncos went on their run, you know that, hey, you just had to beat man coverage. Everybody kind of has their own staples, and they just get good at what they're good at. Now, in this league, everything changes week to week. But if you look at these plays,

these aren't like dynamic Ben Johnson type run plays or a bunch of moving parts. This is just lining up and running the ball down your throat. And that is the complete opposite of what you think about when you think about the Pittsburgh still. You think about toughness. You think about physicality. Whether that's on the offensive or defensive side of the ball.

If you think about all the Pittsburgh greats, that's the first thing that kind of comes to your mind, whether it's a guy in the middle or drone baddest or one of these big physical guys. Like that's what you think. They're renegade. Like, I still got PTSD from that shit been on an opponent. When that shit comes on, you know, okay, some bullshit's about to come, a strip sack, a pig sick, something.

So to see seven fans waving their tile when they go live with that, that was disheartening. It's Monday. Tone didn't even put a Steelers helmet back on the desk that we both go back and forth on. I feel bummed out about him. But yeah, it's tough. And I know Tone's getting a lot more than I am, but I'm getting more messages saying I don't like people being out on Mike T. They threw the graphic up about the three franchises. I forget which three or what.

I think Patriots is one of them, 20 plus years of not having a losing record. That is impressive. It was a great graphic. But sitting here Monday, that team, that fan base, you've got to be embarrassed to be a highest paid defense on the field. And those are got T.J. Watt, Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, Patrick, like, these are notable, like, Hall of Fame type name. So for them to be sitting in this Monday watching these same plays that we're watching, it's

tough. It's tough. And it's tough because the fan base grew up on, like, the rush defense. And we talked about it last year when Derek Henry ran for 475 yards in the playoffs game or whatever we grew up they have the record there was 32 consecutive games where they didn't they didn't allow a hundred yard rusher 32 consecutive and now it's almost every single game that there's a hundred yard rusher and that's just not who we are it's crazy right there we get 90 rush hour and 17 third quarter yeah that just popped up while you're talking about it and uh here's

some more stats that aren't good for the Steelers hembo cook these things up plus 16 is the margin of first downs between the bills to the Steelers plus 31 plays their defense was out there a lot boys retired 74 plays for the bills 43 time of possession suite and then that rush yards one there plus 191 the worst rushing margin for Pittsburgh in a home game since 1955 the fact that it's all happening in Pittsburgh yes and the injures are spending their life watching it that makes it exponentially worse because not only is it these yenzers and coach tomlin knows that he's lived there for so long 20 years whatever the case 18 years so he understands it just as much those engines down home they're talking to the neighbors okay yeah neighbors are saying sue went down there you see what they did second half they just let them just wrong right oh james cook same exactly that's what we're saying tomlin doesn't know shit and then they go to the next neighbor and then they go to the next person they run into then all of a sudden the entire neighborhood feels the exact same way and it's like all you need is just a couple terrible

experiences back to back to back and it's happened all year with them i think you can really The Inzers are a group that will kill for you, actually. Like, we'll actually do that for you. And on flip side, we're done with you. Need you. Need you. Need you go ahead and take a walk here. I think they've always been that way.

We'll always be that way. And I think right now is the loudest that I've heard it. As somebody I feel like is kind of tapped into the city of Pittsburgh and how they feel on things, there's always been a group that has been sick of the winning season shit. Sick of it, sick of it, sick of it, sick of it. We get a terrible draft pick. Great. winning season let's get pick number 17 let's get pick number 18 we can't really get anybody oh we're not

going to trade for anybody of course we're not oh we're not going to move up so we're going to get another mediocre player to add to our above average team and then we're going to steal some games and we're going to have a good time and we're going to renegade this thing that's cool that there was a group of people that were like like five years ago four years into the lack of winning that that started to it feels now that it is at the the biggest and most unified that it has been in the city of Pittsburgh. The Rooney family has to... You would think so. You would think so. And a lot of people

are really, really mad at ownership as well. But you could trade Coach Tomlin, right? Wouldn't that be a thing? You could. And there was a report that what an older... Sorry, I don't know who reported it. I apologize. I saw the headline. There's potential coach conversation, fresh new start things. Jake Wazerser? No, I was thinking about football. JPA. Yeah, someone reported that there's an elder coach in the league

and might be looking for change. But anyways, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are tied currently for the lead in the AFC North. And I, every friend, fan that I have talked to is like, I wish we just would lose out if it means change, rather than like, hey, we're in the division fight. Nobody cares about that anymore. That's a shame. Yeah, it's wild.

Hey, they can go on run, no, boys. That's right. Hey, go to, start going to meetings. Yep. Start going to meet. No, you need to go in and not out whenever I say, huh, hey, hey, hey. I thought he said he was at the meeting.

That's what I thought I heard. I know they were on the wrong page as far as with the check, but I thought he said, Everybody shows up to the meetings. Oh, you're saying the way he delivered it was not condescendingly asking if everybody would start showing up to the meetings. You're saying, he was saying, everybody showed up to the meetings, that he's don't understand what the Chats are. Yeah, and we've had conversations for years about, you know, how Aaron Rogers always changes. Peyton, Drew Breastard, Brady, like, those are always moving parts.

But maybe I misheard it. Run it. When there's film sessions, everybody shows up. and when I checked through a route how do you do the right route you know like uh john and I just were on same page I checked to his in breaker and he ran outbreaker um you know John is a true professionals I'm sure he's you know he's sick sick about that but um you know I threw a ball I thought was going to get by the wind and it was four yards over romance So I got to make that throw.

But, you know, we have our meetings every week. We have other opportunities outside of the facility. And look forward to seeing all the boys there. Okay, so he was asked how he fixed the chemistry. He said, well, when there's meetings, everybody shows up. Interesting. He does look cool, though. With the bucket nose?

Yeah, he looks like a Pittsburgh still quarterback. Him get, I thought he was done. Six and six. I thought he was done with that wrist, three fractures, the whole thing. He goes, lands on his face, everything's busts. I assumed he hurt this one again. No, probably. I assumed he somehow hurt this one again or whatever the case is.

Then he comes back, bandaged up thing, still taking the thing off, by the way, between everyone. He is, and I think nobody talks about it. He is old-school tough guy quarterback. Oh, yeah. That is how he views the position, have to. He even likes taking hits, I think. Like, that is a part of the entire thing. And he's been very anti-any-any-other rules.

So him bouncing back as a 40-plus-year-old after having Bosa explode through his back and then dump him on his face and then the worst possible outcome happen. I mean, that shows a lot of grit. It does. And Pittsburgh Steelers fans, appreciate the grit. Need to get some wins.

We're done with it. All right, it's got a number four headline from the NFL Sunday's today. Tan! Ten! Two teams with ten! Wins! That's incredible.

And they're both in the AFC con man. The Denver Broncos, who were almost every kind of Lombardi babies coming into this particular season. With that defense, everybody returning, they might have the best defensive player on Earth in Sartan. Well, he wasn't even playing for a while. They were winning. He was back doing a whole strap up on everybody. They're fantastic.

And Bo Nix and Sean Payton seemingly get the job done whenever they have to. A lot of close games. A lot of close games. The stats coming out about them being in close games, one score games. I think they have the most one score dubs. They have the most three points or fewer wins. They have the most this point. Like they are the close game kings right now.

Is that because their defense is so dominant and gets great stops at the right time? Is it because Bo Nick, Sean Payton, and the boys on the offensive side are so resilient and kind of mentally tough. They're able to get the job done. Who cares? They got 10 wins. The other team, Patriots tonight, taking on the Giants, looking for number 11. Both in the AFC, what does that tell you, Kahn, man? It really just tells you that the top is very top-heavy, if you will.

You know, the Broncos, yes, they're close games, but they win. I mean, at the end of the day, that's all that matters. Bo Knicks, he's coming alive. I mean, he beats the Chiefs, goes on the buy, and then he throws for 320 on Monday night football. And yes, it's the commanders. You can say, well, they shouldn't be barely beating the commanders in overtime. Marcus Marriota is a hell of quarterback. I mean, we saw that last night.

He led them down when he needed to. They had a third and 15 maybe, and they somehow got the first down. Terry McLaurin being back for them is massive. That's a fourth and goal. Absolute dot. If you watch the replay, too, almost gets the flighted. Perfect rub route. They almost have it here, but Nick Benito, nope, that's the touchdown.

The Nick Bedito, two-point conversion, he stops. And this is exactly why the Broncos are going to be in it at the end. You know, we talk about the 10 wins and Bo Nix and people want to throw shade on them and stuff. Their defense is good enough to win them a Super Bowl. I mean, Benito and Cooper off the edge, Moss and Sertane in the back end. And then Alex Singleton, probably one of the better linebacker plays from the weekend was Alex Singleton, hauling ass back to break up a middle shot down the to Zach Hertz down the middle. I believe it was a third and 10.

But they're fantastic and their old line. Like that's the biggest thing for me. Like their old line is so solid. They can run the ball and beat you. They can pass block and beat you. It's one of those things that they're a team that can beat you in any way on the offense and defensive side. Please 10 and two, nine straight victories. There was a stat, Bo Nix, Drake May, and Caleb Williams from that.

draft class in the last nine weeks are combined 26 in one, which is ridiculous. But, I mean, then tonight with Drake May. I mean, it's one of those things where you kind of get to see the future in primetime. We had it last night. And now we have it. Again, the Patriots looking to become the first team with 11 wins on the season there without their starting left tackle Will Campbell and starting left guard, Jared Wilson. So that will be the matchup to watch. You know, Brian Burns off the edge, Tibodeau out for the Giants, which is big. But Dexter Lawrence in the middle two. It's going to be a hell of a game. It's incredible to see that the young AFC teams are having this much success, two game lead in the one and two seeds, but

it's just amazing to be one of those teams there. Yeah, you talk about the young quarterbacks too. Bo Nicks obviously been in the same system here for a couple years. Caleb and Drake, new systems here. So they're only going to go up into the right. The young boys are certainly playing bears, obviously, in the NFC. Wow, they are for real. But the AFC, the two 10-win teams looking for 11 obviously have been dominant throughout. Let's go to the number three headline coming out of week 13 Sunday slate. Oh, big catches, bad days. Yeah, bad days.

Not like, ah, yeah, bad days. These guys take L's, but have highlight real catches. So you can't even really talk about it. You can't even celebrate it. If you get a pick and you have a dance, if your team loses, we don't care that you practice the dance and people don't care. Can't even post it. Hmm?

No, I'm saying. you can't even like posted exactly shouldn't just read the room a little bit but on that note there were some guys that had highlight real catches but their teams lost so we can't talk about the chiefs are they okay i don't know hollywood's got the touch down in jerry world who congrats of the dallas cowboys by the way they got to be absolutely pumped and the chiefs who are they what are they we don't know after they beat the colts thought whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa the phone they might be all the way back then they lose the cowboys it's like are the was the best football team in the NFL.

The chiefs still have it. We shall see Indianapolis Colts on a two-game slide. Don't love it. Maybe talk to C.J. Stroud here later today. Alec Pierce, absolute weapon and a dog, has become much better for the Indianapolis Colts this year on being a deep threat. A lot of moxie.

I assume somebody's going to pay for him in a huge, huge way. And then let's talk about Burke's. Burke's baby, number 13 in the corner. Marcus Barry Golda. Give him a shot. One-handed. How you doing? Now, people said he was a busty-butch,

and now he's got Mary Goda throwing him absolute mosses over mosses. Unbelievable catch. I mean, Riley Moss, that's as good as coverage you can have on that type of play. You just got to look at your coach, look at the sideline, say, hey, they get paid too. Phenomenal catch on prime time.

You know, reminences of OBJ on Sunday night football. I saw the 13-for-13th week from OBJ, and congrats to get a big-time win. Once again, these are all losing teams of all these highlights. Speaking of, Chargers do their thing that are writers, Brock Barr's. Too big, too athletic, too absurd. This is an O's the mentalist-type mind-blower here.

That thing should hit the ground. Great coverage yet again by the Chargers. Brock Bowers doing special stuff since the day he stepped onto a football field, I'd assume, Darius. Yeah, that's unbelievable. Once again, there's nothing more you can do as a defender. Good throw by J. Actually, I can't even say good throw.

It's the back shoulder. You're putting it in a place where only your guy can get it. Just a phenomenal effort by Brock Baers. And then friend of the program, took an hell. Hey, Carolina Panthers is a good football game. Go football. Yeah, Panthers are good football teams. You know who's good football player?

Puka! Give me that! That's very reminiscent of the O'Dell Beckham Jr. Reach one-handed snag as well. Having a battle off a hand in there and then bring it in and cradle to the body with the control to be able to keep it off the turf. That's an incredible catch by Pooka Nakua, who might be the next one. Honestly, he might be the next one.

And whenever it comes down to it, two, three years from now. Unguarded. Matt Starf, obviously, he had a couple of turnovers this game, but this is one of those situations where, hey, my guy's out there, I'm going to throw it up, give him a chance to make a play. He went up there and made a play. And this was a point in the game where you thought, okay, the Rams are figuring it out.

They may come back and win it. But like you said, the Panthers are a very good football team. Are we sure Pook is the same player, though, because he ran out of bonds yesterday. People are sending me a couple tweets about that. People were saying he broke a tackle, a little off balance, full speed. A couple guys here steps out of bounds.

Then he comes back in, though. I think he maybe just lost track, lost his balance. But there was people saying Pooka and the crew ran out of bounds. If he did run out of balance, Pook, I'd like to let you know. Yes, some more of that. Some more of that. We don't need to pick up an extra three feet

when we already got 17 or 20, brother. Okay, and if it's going to save it, let's do that. Now, let's go to the number two headline coming out of the weekend. The dogs were barking. Hey, right, right, right, hurt, hey, hey, hey, hey. Ron Breaker gets a big win last night with the Vision as well, or Saturday night, obviously, in Survivor Series. The dogs were barking there in San Diego at Petco Park.

But also, first 11 games of this week, the underdogs were 9-in-2. Okay, against the spread. Obviously, that would change as the favorites will go on to start winning down the stretch. But throughout Thanksgiving and obviously the Black Friday game, it was Underdog City. Why do you think that's the case, Dee? But do you think whenever we're celebrating a holiday and the entire world is watching, there's a turduckin on the line, a pile on honoring Mr. Madden, and everybody's going to be talking about it?

Do you think it kind of, you can wipe out the record books, you can wipe out the matchups? It's going to be a battle? Why do you think underdogs had such a big time on the holiday? I don't know if it was one thing in particular. I feel like we always have that week or those couple weeks where the dogs just get to bark in. This was definitely one of those weeks. Now, the short, you know, the Thanksgiving and the Black Friday games, we always know you can kind of throw everything out the window. You never know what's going to happen in those type of games.

But it's any given Sunday in this league, I think this year is showing the NFL when it comes to parity. Like we're right up there with any other league. Absolutely. Here's the quote from, or the stat from Hembo, actually. overall seven underdogs won outright in week 13 thus far second most in any week this season all four underdogs on thanksgiving and black friday one outright Carolina one is a nine and a half one and a half a second largest they were 13 and a half a couple weeks ago they're a good football team man they could surprise them folks panthers are the only team to win games when they are more than a 10 point

favorite i think at one point they were or 10 point underdog i think at one point they were 10 point dogs every other team is oh and 14 panthers are two and oh yeah the panthers surprise folks, I guess it would be the gomblers that they're surprising because the sports books wouldn't be scoring it if they didn't think the gomblers would be doing what they're doing. I don't think a lot of people paying attention to the Panthers, they're kind of turning that thing around and they're for real. And if you give Bryce Young some time and the ability to operate, he's able to do his thing. And on the defensive side, there's seemingly hungry, hungry hippos out there.

Turning Stafford over is a big deal, especially with the season he's having right now. Yeah, Derek Brown up front, he doesn't get talked about a bunch, but he's one of the best interior defensive linemen in the league. on the back end, Mike Jackson, he showed out, he balled out the pick six. It's been however long now that Matt Stafford hasn't thrown in pick six. That's kind of used to be Matt Stafford's thing. If it was

bad, Stafford, it would be some fumbles, which he had late in the game, some pick six. It's Mike Jackson sitting on that route. I think Sean McVey kind of took on the ship and said, hey, you know, I wish they gave him a better play. But the most impressive win from the dogs, I would say, for me, was that Bears win. Like, we talked about the bills

running the ball down the throat against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like, they ran down the Philadelphia Eagles two backs over 125 yards just toting that right right down the middle. You're watching the plays. You see the replays. You see all the movement. And even though they're simple, you know, run game and run plays, all of the movement, all that eye candy for defensive

backs and linebackers, it's tough to be in the right spot, be in the right place. So Caleb Williams, I don't think, is even close to where he needs to be yet in the passing game aspect of. But when they can run the ball like this and play defense, this Bears team, they're sitting them won an NFC for a reason right now. 281 rush yards for the Chicago Bears and Jacked Ben Johnson.

That's the most versus the Eagles under a Nick Siriani-led team. Obviously, they had 200-yard rushers, Menongai, and Swift and 17 first downs, which is the most by any team this season. So Chicago Bears kind of did their thing to the Philadelphia Eagles and you got a lot of Eagles fans going, the tush push, we failed.

I mean, we couldn't even do it. This isn't what we are. This isn't what we are. This isn't who we're going to be, and we got to figure some things out over there. I don't know how they do it. AJ Brod a good guy. He did. Got ball a lot, two tuts.

That might be the strategy when you're playing against the Eagles. Let's add AJ Brown Eat and just stop the run. The Caleb Williams roll left touchdown to Cole Komet was so nasty. He's a guy.

He is very, very, like, we talk about the Caleb shit, like, this is filthy. Yeah. In a bucket. Yeah. Are you kidding? Fade away running backwards.

Cross body. And that's Cole Kemet. He had that is back. Colson Loveland hasn't even really gotten going yet for the offense. He had a two touchdown game already, but still, like, if he continues to go, the bears are tremendously scared. And Ben Johnson, jacked.

Jacked. Absolutely jacked. I love seeing that. Free wieners for the city, I do believe, because he went tarpless in the locker room. Somebody, Wiener's Circle, I believe. I don't remember the name of the place. They're giving up free dogs for the city if Ben Johnson wants to go shirtless. And he said, give me one more week.

Give me two more weeks. I think you've been hitting it a little bit harder. Absolutely jacked. And I'll tell you what, every time you look in a locker room or you see anything miced up, what I try to see is that these people like each other, you know? Obviously, you're going to get good quotes, but my eyes always tend to go to like, how do these people feel about each other?

You can kind of pick up little tells, because they're always going to edit the mic'd up, so I'll only give you what they want you to hear. You're not really going to get much shit. But what you can see is how they interact. You know, there's brief moments of interaction. It's like, okay, they seem like they like each other. Ooh, I don't think they like that guy.

You can get that out of mic'd up. Ben Johnson, boys love him. Love him. Good, better best. Never let rest till good is better and better is best, and then bear on me. They have a whole thing. Everybody's in.

And if he has that culture set up, his culture is a winning culture, right? Yeah. Don't we all agree? In football. Oh, yeah. The culture that Ben Johnson has established, we're going to be powerful.

We're going to pound them. We're going to play great defense. And also, we're going to be smarter on offense and design people to be wide-ass open. Oh, yeah. And we got Caleb Williams, who's a super talent. It's like, if the culture has been instilled, there's like no stopping this train, right?

And that kind of like the biggest thing, can he get his culture? Can he get his culture in? Oh, he lost the locker. That's what happens when somebody can't get their culture in. Ben Johnson is a hard ass, allegedly, accountability driven, and he's got his culture in play already. And it's very obvious whenever you see all the mic'd ups and the cameras behind the scenes.

Yeah, and you got to get results, too, especially in the big boy league, the national football league. You have to get results. And that's how you get the real buy-in from the vets and the young guys. Because we've seen coaches go to certain places and try to be a hard-ass and it not work. And I think mainly because it doesn't have the results. So getting these results, And it shows you, man, whatever it takes, go and get your coach.

Like, it matter. Coach it matters. Go and get your coach. Obviously, you have to have a quarterback as well, but go and get your coach, collegiate level, professional level, go and get your guy, whatever it takes. Whatever bullshit comes with it, it'll be all right. Because those vibes in the locker room, like that, that is just completely different of anything we've seen from the Bears since, you know, they went to the Super Bowl in Miami

and 06 and Grossman running the show. But, yeah, go and get your head coach, get your quarterback. And it shows a lot that Ben Johnson. obviously chose to go to Chicago, pair up with Caleb Williams, and now, like, these guys, man, those are the vibes. That's what you miss. That's the type of shit you miss is a former player in the locker room, that feeling after a game.

You know, nobody's, everybody was picking the Eagles. You thought, okay, the Eagles are going to figure it out. It gave up 9 points, 7 points, and then to go in there and run the ball down their throat like that against a physical ball club. Like that, it's nothing better after that. Special, man. Oh, yeah.

And to DeBeth's point, like, go and get your coach. And, I mean, Tony, the only team the Steelers is going to look to, as far as moving on from a legendary coach would be the Patriots. And you can go back to the Andy Reed Eagles, sure, if you want to, but in recent memory of the Patriots, the Patriots made the decision to move on from Bill and then doubled down on their decision

by firing Gerard Mayo after the first year. Like sometimes you get the wrong guy, but when you're right guy comes available to DeBut's point, like Vrable, like you just have to make that decision. It takes a lot of balls from the owners. A lot of gut sack to do that. Yeah.

Yeah, because you're making a big state. changing the trajectory of everything. And if that culture, you know, it stinks right away. And then you'd go to another culture. Oh, it's the grass greener. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, and, you know, like Ben Johnson deserves all of the credit, obviously,

but him bringing in Dennis Allen to be in D.C. having a guy who has been a head coach before because every week going into these games, all we hear about is how banged up the Bears' defense is. And they go out and they do the same thing every week. They turn the other team over multiple times. And there's no excuses. So him having the wherewithal to be like, yes, I will have the offense. you know, humming on all cylinders and ready to go.

But I also need to get a guy who knows what the hell he's doing on defense and getting a guy who's been a head coach before. Like, that was a massive move as well. I agree. Congrats to everybody that was an underdog and had a great holiday. We very much love that. It showcases that our league, anything can happen on any given field. And Sean McVeigh was asked about those Panthers.

Did you guys not respect them? And he basically said, Caroline Panthers is a good football team. That's basically what he said. It's the NFL. Everybody's good. know there's couple ball bounces this way we i wish i would have given a better play what he wanted to say was hey carolina panthers are to a football team yeah Bryce young uh youngest quarterback to 11 game winning drives was the stat yesterday for him already yeah all right congrats to them

that seemed like a lost cause from top yep oh my god all the way to the bottom of the stadium even their fake a i thing the panther that they had oh yeah it was the worst one of all time i liked it It was cool, but you really couldn't tell. There was a gif. It was a gift. They just put on Jumbotron. What are you talking about? They say, look, to your right, it's in the stands.

No, it's not. That was the thing. It was only, you know, a thousand people in the stands. It was sick, okay? Let's not act like you didn't pull that up on the phone. Chat, TPT, you can go make me one of those. That's a different time. We can't, we can.

That's relative. Go for it. To Lyons reversing the curse with Daniels and Manning doing the whiskey thing, kind of you could make the argument with Teper opening the stadium. for the hurricane relief yeah with uh luke holmes eric church Caleb um i forget who else is all down chase chase rice sold out the stadium and he can have it and also here's donation on top of it and also this on top it's like wait a minute did the grinch's heart grow three sims yeah flip the

whole thing remember he's going into restaurants like hey take that sign down right now i ain't firing anybody smack the guys hat off his head he got his ice yeah the ice on the fan I ain't doing it. Get the hell out of my place. Menace. And he was in absolute menace. And then he opened up the stage. And then he said, you know what?

Jeez, I got to step back a little bit. And, hey, everything he's ever done, he's had success. So it seems like that's happening right now. Number one storyline. Hey, listen. The AFC South, it just means more. Now, everybody understands that going into the year that the AFC South is a jugger nut. The AFC South has Mount Rushmore of teams, basically.

How many teams are in there? Four. Where would they go? Rushmore. All of them. Titans, a little problematic. Okay, they got to figure it out. Maybe worst team ever. Could potentially. They are exactly what we were just saying about Carolina Panthers. And there's been some other teams that have been in this position since our Texans at one point. We're in this position. Whatever way you're kind of doing. Raiders not too far off. Yeah, they're seemingly heading that way potentially. But they got Tom Brady there, so we assume that he will figure it out and everything like that. But the Tennessee Titans got a lot to figure out. Cam Ward, I think, has all the talent in the world. If you put nothing around them, will you ever be able to accomplish anything? We have. have no idea but the people of Nashville are great football people so like hopefully that'll come together because Nashville and football being great would be fantastic and has been fantastic but they fire Vrable Vrable now maybe coach of the year with New England lady doesn't even show up at the firing of the thing I mean there's just a lot with them being bad jaguars though don't look now Liam Cohen's got him rolling go football team demico Ryan's Houston Texans well they just get

a huge way of it's good football they a huge way in division in a difficult place to play now the AMC South, though, everybody has to still play everybody, okay? Colts still have to play Jacksonville Jaguars twice. We have to play Houston Texans one more time. Every divisional game for the Indianapolis Colts has come in the final quarter basically of the NFL season.

Remember when we were the hottest team in the NFL? I do. Yeah. There was no division games then. All the division games are right now. And guess what? Our quarterback has a fractured fibula, which I didn't even know what the fuck it was. And I looked it up, that thing's right here.

That's a very, that's a very vital one. Ebo, he's going to act. Yeah, yeah, you go. That came out of nowhere. Saw him on injury report. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on here? What's going on here? Nothing, no, all good.

Okay, it'll be good. He's still playing. See him on injury report again. Togga. It's going on here. Nothing, nothing's going on. Then I see a video from Romeo Wood. Ooh.

He ain't doing. Yeah, big Ben. He can't even move. Put him in the boot. What's he doing? He's all right. He broke his left. It'll be fine.

Well, at least you have AR as backup, right? Oh, no. He has himself warming up. Yeah. Well, at least non-division games are the Seaharks in the 90s. Yeah, a couple cupcakes. Yeah.

Yeah, it's easy road here. Who did this? Wow. I don't know if this was Roger Goodell or who it was. See that. We've been through enough. But on that note, it's a tough schedule.

And listen, CJ, I mean, this guy, I don't know what his problem is. He's throwing a bowl basically like this. 30 yards down the field right on the money to somebody every single time. It makes no sense how good he is, seemingly every time he steps foot into our building. He is everything that you would want your quarterback to be when he's in our building. Now, our defense made some place.

Even though I interception did a dance. It was sweet. We did a lot of good things. Alec Pierce made some place. But inevitably, in the end, the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts. And it wasn't just the Houston Texans, might I add. It was also the refs. Okay.

It was also the officials. Oh, shit. Listen, they put ass in these officials are ass. Okay, that is what these particular refs did. This is a delay game. Okay, it's third and 15. Obviously, field goal range. So 16, 13, we assume Kayemi Fairbairn will make the kick.

Maybe, okay? So obviously a delay a game. So they should have had to play. Then we get a phantom defense and pass interference. Okay. So play shouldn't happen. Okay. And now what?

Oh, yeah. Pass interference. On who? On that? And then the ref is literally standing right behind it. He had good eyes on his thing. I saw him. This is right down our thing.

He caused defense, pass interference. obviously they get a first down okay sweet this should have been a field goal instead end around callings touch down Texans all of a sudden it's 20 to 13 right well that would be if they hit the extra point well let's go to the extra point yeah he misses it okay so it doesn't even go in and this guy yep it's good right that's what we're doing so this is all within a span of like four or five plays so whenever you talk about an entire building just getting you suck chance out of them as aggressively as possible you're talking to about in this exact moment it was absurd and it was back to back to back to back and it's like

the Houston Texans defense is phenomenal okay yeah there's some Texans fans in there their fans are also great CJ Straub Bolton what the hell oh no is this real they had to change the name Brandon Alvarez I do no oh no wait when they do that I told it actually can't do this I told it yeah excuse me this is not a lot AI is getting out of control oh that's not real no that's not real okay were the cranes already going up when you guys were leaving yesterday to do this or that is not real that is a i it is not actually it looked really brandon alvarez said he took the picture right then he said no damn pat responded to a pick i made oh yeah it's fake it's not okay wait but did he make it in like with his was his camera he was the foreman yeah no he was on he was doing

it because every time he wasn't in the helicopter he did not that is not it's called the ladhouse It is not called the Stroud House. I'm done with it. But this is what happens when CJ plays against us, seemingly always wins. And with the Indianapolis Colts quarterback situation being what it is, we're in trouble. Because a big part of Danny Dimes' offensive contributions is the fear that he can outrun you, which he can. Hey, what boy got a little motion whenever he was running. Danny Dimes, you know, he kind of looks like a nerd, acts like a nerd, everything like that.

He's big, strong, powerful fast bullet. Over rush yards. Over rush yards every single game. That's a massive part of his game. there really isn't much fear of that right now I don't think in Houston Texans number one defense that was not the right team to have to play against with that they are they hunt

they do boy I actually thought a couple different times these fans have to hate watching these games their defense is so good this is ass like your offense you're here for the offense you show up and your offense is going to be ass against this team so you're just going to sit there and be all right maybe next time all right

this is getting kind of boring isn't it boo we need to start doing some stuff boo it's like well this Texans defense doesn't much. They are very good. And the Jacksonville Jaguars, very good. In the Indianapolis Colts, we're trying to hold on right now. We are trying to hold the hell on right now. We get a tough road down the stretch. Joining us right now, ladies and gentlemen, a senior NFL insider in Michigan, Matt, and ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefke. Hey, Jeffty.

Sorry, we made you wait there. We apologize. Let's talk about Danny Dimes, shall we? I didn't know what a fibula was. I had to obviously Google it, ask where it is. That feels like a pretty important one to somebody who's pretty mobile. Now, Danny Dimes fractured fibula. What do we know? and what should we be expecting going forward? Well, I think it's a hairline fracture, and I think he compromises his lateral. You'll see that he has not been able to move laterally

as much as he did earlier in the year, and they're not calling as many plays for him to run as they did earlier in the year, and it seems to be an issue in that regard. Obviously, he's full participant in practice. Obviously, he's going to play, but obviously he's not going to play the same way that he's been playing,

and I think that that has impacted their offense some. Yeah, it certainly has. And also it hurts very bad, this type of thing. So obviously, the amount of mental toughness that he'll have to go through every single step. We shall watch as the journey to the AFC South Championship rolls on. Sauce Gardner, we lost him very early in the game. You know, I was actually with Tyrese Halliburton, recovering very well, by the way. I just showed a one-footed dunk last week. Tyrese Halliburton was in the suite. I know watching the game, he's a big Colts fan, loves coming out. He saw the replay of this. And obviously, he's going through an Achilles thing right now. He goes, hey, that looked like, that looked like something. You know, he looked back there, the calf, something along those lines, immediately upon it happening because that's kind of the MO of one of these things. It feels like somebody kicks you from the back, they say, and then he got carried off. Now, he's walking there, but when he was on the field, there was no pressure on his foot at all.

So we were all very, very worried. What are we hearing with Sauce Gardner is obviously we were bummed out quick that we lost the number one out there. Yeah, well, the good part is, obviously, it doesn't seem like it's his Achilles. The great Dr. Randy Moss diagnosed that right away. We were in our conference room watching the games after Sunday countdown. And obviously, to your point, Pat, everybody thinks, okay, is this an Achilles? But within minutes, Doss was back on the field in a boot and with crutches.

And Randy's like, if you tear your Achilles, you're not coming back out into the field. It won't be as Achilles. And it doesn't look like it was. It looks like it's a calf injury. It looks like it's multiple weeks. I think we may have seen in the last event for roughly about a month. Roughly, we'll see if they've got to put him on injured reserve or not. Hey, the good part is it's not as Achilles.

Because it was his Achilles, you don't even know if the guys were going to be the same kind of player again. Fortunately, it looks like a calf injury. Cas are not fun, and it looked like it was very painful, and hopefully he's back soon, and hopefully Tyrese Halliburton's back soon. Yeah, well, I've been telling Tyrese, the Pacers need them, so maybe we expedite this thing. I think we've won three games this year, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think second last night.

Okay, whatever the case. Yeah, Tyrese, going to be back in good spirits. Nice to hear that sauce. Going to be back for a playoff push here in Indianapolis as it takes place. A couple other injuries as well. Any updates? Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Shafty, Thanksgiving.

Ammon Ra went down early with an ankle. They have Thursday night football this week. What's it looking like for Amman Ra's recovery? I would say most people would not be able to make it back for Thursday night football, knowing Amman Ra. I think he's going to wind up push. to try to play on Thursday night. Now, whether he can do that or not,

we'll see how the week of practice goes and we'll see how he feels on Thursday. I don't think they're going to be ready to rule him out quick. Maybe they will, but I think he's going to give it a chance to be able to try to play on Thursday. I'm not telling he will,

but this guy is very, very tough. Yeah, very tough, very strong. I mean, seemingly built for everything. If he's able to bounce back that quick, I think we will all be impressed. Go ahead. Yeah, I was just saying, you know, you're missing, if he doesn't play,

If he doesn't plant Thursday night, no Amman Ra, no Sam Leporta, all the injuries in the second. It's a lot to overcome for them. No, Ragnow. I'll tell you what, Marion. Yeah, what happened? Did they, Ragnall came in and the doctors were like, hey, exactly what we said like six months ago. You just can't. Yeah, you need to stay retired.

You can't do it, dude. We're sorry. Like, we wish we could, but the scans have come back. Lose my license. The exact same as whenever you had to retire. Your whole body. is broken, Frank. And obviously the world respects the

shit out of you for that, but it's like we can't let you back on the field just like last year. We were damn, I mean, come on, Frank, you're too damn tough. We can't do it. Is that what happened? Is that basically how the whole story went with Frank? I mean, it's me, like he goes in there. They

announce he's coming back. He wants to come back and they go in, the doctor's look and they find a hamstring issue. Like, shredded. Frank, you can't pass physical. and, you know, that announcement came about 15 minutes before Michigan, Ohio State kicked off in a weekend which the Lions already lost the game on Thanksgiving Day. So they lose Thanksgiving Day.

Now you lose Frank Ragno, not that he had had them. I'm like, oh, I know how this Michigan Ohio State came off. The whole weekend for Michigan, like that, that's how it's going for the state right now. I mean, I can have predicted that right away. It was cold up there, man. It was cold up there. Congrats to Ohio State in a big-time way. Big time winning by Ohio State buck-up.

guys, hey, young team up there in Michigan. They can learn from this as they go forward. Foxy, you a little bit worried about these lines, man? You a little bit worried about what's going on? I mean, as Shifty said, I was heading home for Thanksgiving. It's Wednesday. Ragnow's back. We're going to meet the Packers tomorrow. The Lions are going to be in the playoffs.

We're going to go to the Super Bowl. Everyone is fired up for the best Thanksgiving of all time. And then we lose. Ragnos out. And I'm not a Michigan fan, but I know a lot of people that went to the Lions game on Thursday. They spent their Thanksgiving at Fortfield and also spent their Saturday at the Big House. One of the worst weekends of all time for those people.

So, yeah, it's been pretty tough over here. Yeah, sorry to hear that about your holiday if that's how it went. But on that note, the people in Ohio are living nice. The people in Ohio were living very, very nice. And good luck to the Lions as they continue to do this. Okay, last big time injury, we don't know if you're going to have any updates. Obviously, quick turnaround. Go ahead, Ty.

Yeah, Chef, do anything on Justin Herbert? We heard he broke his left hand, and we just saw Rogers, you know, have a couple breaks in his left wrist, and he missed a week, obviously. The Chargers haven't said whether or not he's going to miss a game yet. But with their, you know, playoff positioning, they obviously can't really afford for Herbert to miss any time. Have you heard anything on that? Well, he's having the surgery today. He says he's going to try to play. He's treating it as if he's playing.

Now, again, he's going to have a surgery. We'll see how he can get through the week of practice, what his grip on the football is like. I don't know if there's any ligament damage. I think that's a key question here when doctors go in there. Maybe they find some ligament damage or not. Hopefully not. Hopefully he's back soon. Yesterday he goes out and then comes back in with that giant like oven mitt on his left hand

and finishes the game. That guy's a warrior. Absolutely. He's going to try to play next Monday night. We'll see if the surgery today allows that tab. I think it's up in the air. He's a football guy. You know, Herbert's football guy.

If he can play, he will play. Max Crosby, and he obviously had their moment. Whenever he shoves him for yelling in his ear, Max says, did anybody fight Max? I think Alignment ran over. I don't know about fighting Max. I don't think so. Just walked off.

I don't know. I'm not getting into that. I'm not getting into that. Max Crosby, what a menace when he talk about menaces of all menaces. He's doing his thing. Love good AFC West football. Oh, that was in his year. That's the first time the whole thing.

Yeah, okay. To little Philip Rivers. Yeah, he was screaming right at him. three two yard touchdown he's yawning that defensive line helps after he helps him up in that entire thing i like that yeah there's a little heat there we like there's a little heat there yeah i do love