The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1461 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 13 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Marty Smith on the Lane Kiffin Situation, Kirk Herbstreit, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys overreact to everything that happened in week 13 of the NFL season that saw another weekend of chaos as well as three incredible Thanksgiving games, as well as breaking down the entire Lane Kiffin situation, they go through some overreactions from the internet, and preview tonight’s Monday Night Football game between the Giants and Patriots. Joining the progrum to give some of the biggest injury updates from the weekend is ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter. Next, co-host of Marty & McGee, and ESPN Swiss Army knife, Marty Smith joins the show to break down the entire Lane Kiffin to LSU situation as he was boots on the ground from the Egg Bowl through the decision to become LSU’s new Head Coach. Later, color commentator for the NFL on Prime, and the face of College Football, Kirk Herbstreit joins the show to give his thoughts on the college football playoff and the conundrum that the selection committee might have going into tomorrow’s rankings. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our Humble the Bole. The Thunderdome on this massive overreaction Monday, December 1st, 2025. This program begins now. Football! It is magical, and the weekend has so many stories that are captivating the entire globe. College ball has so much drama and controversy and great outcomes coming out of rivalry weekend, which is what college football is all about.

Just a few days removed here from. from the championships, the conference championships happening all across the country. Game Day will be live from the SEC championship down in Atlanta and a convention center as Alabama and Georgia will fight for the SEC title. If Alabama loses there, will that loss be held against them as you look forward to the college football playoffs, certainly going to be a part of the story. Georgia has certainly been dominant since losing to Alabama at home in ending their 33-game home win streak.

And then obviously the Big Ten is number one versus number two. Indiana hasn't won Big Ten Conference Championship since like 1967 or something. They're undefeated, and they just so happen to be from an hour and a half south of here. And the Big Ten Championship will be hosted right here in Indianapolis, Indiana. The IU Hoosiers are obviously a fan base that I think is the biggest in the country. I think they have the most alumni that are active in donating or something like that in the entire country. Most definitely in the city of Indianapolis. And the Hoosier basketball team is actually playing at like 330 downtown in Gainbridge Field.

house as like a showcase event. What happens multiple times throughout the year, and they sell it out every time because how many IU fans live here in Indianapolis? So Indiana is in the Big Ten Championship as the number two team in the country, undefeated first time since 1967 in Indianapolis, taking on Ohio State, Columbus, which is just three hours away. Stone's throw. And their fans are the most of it.

So Indianapolis and the Big Ten Championship will be outrageous. It feels like the vibe will be immaculate. The stories are obviously in abundance and championships. weekend is obviously going to be a big determiner for the college football playoff and who's going to be in the 12 counting down to one and then the NFL oh don't look now we got chaos happening now underdogs are fighting and barking all over the place and in teams that we thought maybe were shite a little bit earlier in the year and maybe found it and aren't shite and not only are they going to be

spoilers are they going to sneak their way into the playoffs and then tonight we have the giants and a patriots are already one of the only two teams with 10 wins looking to get 11 they're the number one team of the AFC and Drake May is going to be bananas. We cannot wait to talk about it all. We have a pack show today. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Con man going into Monday Night Football. How do you feel? Now, there's, there were years there where the New England Patriots on Monday Night Football was not something you guys were looking forward to. No. You thought maybe this is going to be an embarrassment for the Patriots.

And obviously there's teams and fan bases around the country and around the league that their team doesn't even get picked for a Monday Night Football game. Boy, tonight is one, another one for you to kind of put on a show. Is that how the Patriots people are feeling about it? Yeah, very exciting. Drake May, I mean, anytime you can watch him in prime time, it's great to see everybody to kind of, you know, watch him and say, holy hell, that guy is unbelievable.

But yeah, kind of the renewal of a hopeful rival with the Giants. It feels as though May and Dart might be two quarterbacks of the future. Jackson Dart coming back after getting his bell rung a bit too many times. And, you know, maybe this is one of those kind of classic shootouts

that you don't see coming that could turn into a fantastic game. Yeah, and Drake May, primetime in New England. We got another showcase coming from their fans. Red jerseys as well, throwback helmet. They're always doing it right up there. I hate it. Who's doing a super duper bell thing?

The leader of the light, the keeper of the light. The lighter of the lamp. The lighter of the lamp. Yes, the one if by land, two if by sneeze. The irony opposite shore will be. Bingo, Parvier of the game will be someone awesome. And I definitely don't know who it is.

overlooking the Giants. You don't even know who the leader of the Paul Revere light is? No, no, this is not a Jets Thursday night football situation. This is a, okay, we got to take this one very, very seriously, but I'm assuming it's probably, I mean, why not Donnie Wahlberg? Where's Donnie Wahlberg? Can we get Donnie Wahlberg up there? Can we get Donnie Wahlberg up there? I mean, he'd probably be perfect or just some other schlop. Not a slub, but where's Bill Burr? Where's Bill Burr? Can we get Billy Burr up there? Can we get him up on the lamp? He might be, you know, standing on some high horse, but still, can we get Ride the high horse over to the bell tower.

Boom. It'll be perfect. Yeah, he's basically Paul Revere already for one side. What we were doing there is fillings for the people in the back to potentially look up and find out the right answer. I guess there's been no announcement. Oh, that's even better. Oh, no.

You know who might be that? Oh, no. Maybe Kenny's rolling over there. Wow. Maybe Kenny's, I mean, I guess he's going to say the boys fall. He's going to the entire thing. We could only hope for Monday night football. And shout to your Patriots, man.

What a run. What a year. Congrats to everything. And obviously, tonight, another showcase. of the mass holes who are a great fan base. Green Bay Packers, don't look now. Holy hell, we're getting hot. Nice little holiday weekend for you.

Iowa demolishes. Nebraska. Willie C. ran wild right into the pooper. That team got crushed by your Iowa Hawkeyes. And the Green Bay Packers look like they're a good football team. Jordan Love goes crazy. It's Toyotathon. Yeah, bingo.

We know what that means. Exactly. Yeah, no, I mean, it was a fantastic weekend. You know, low stress starting on Thursday with the Packers. Like you mentioned, it's Toyotathon. I mean, you can kind of know what to expect from Jordan Love, but Michael Parsons is just the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, this guy every single week, hey, is he going to dominate the game?

Yeah, he is, you know, two and a half sacks. Once again, a bunch of run stuff. And then the cherry on top, because after the Packers game, I was good. I said, hey, you know, whatever happens in this Nebraska Iowa game, I'll be okay. Because like I said, when we talked to Wilcompton, I don't think about Nebraska at all. Rightfully so.

Iowa goes into Lincoln, beats the absolute dog shit out of them like they have several times over the last 14 years. Kirk Farrant has more victories in Memorial Stadium than Matt Ruhle does. So if you're a Nebraska fan, that one's got to be tough to stomach. And not only that, you got Matt Ruhl through 2032. So that's something to look forward to. So if you're a Nebraska fan, it's okay. The sun might come out tomorrow.

The sun does shine on the dog's ass every once in a while. So, yeah, it was great. It was fantastic holiday weekend for me. Happy Thanksgiving, Todd. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Coach Ruhle did not deserve that, okay? He's got a lot of hurt players.

There's a lot of room's going around. Who's leaving now? One half of the hammer, died. Cowboys, AP Tone. You look fantastic. We will talk to you a lot here momentarily. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius Jay Butler. D. Bucts, we appreciate the hell out of you.

You know, D-But, Monday's big days. Oh, yeah. Long to talk about. Yeah. It is the biggest. The biggest. Biggest, the biggest. It is the biggest day because there's so much to talk about.

There's so much to overreact to. In these Mondays, of this particular season, we've been trying to put together like a scripted play. You know what I mean? We've been trying to, like, do this thing, how well, everybody, else does it. There's so many things to talk about. Let's go ahead and zero in on five of them. You remember we started doing this? We've continued to do this. Yeah. I think, you know, what are we, we going into week 14, about the wrap up week 13, I think we can, I think we can get better. I think so too. Postseason form, damn near. But also on the flip side of that,

I'm pretty proud that we're still doing it. True. This felt like something early that we were going to get sick of, and we just have continued to power through. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15, driven by Ram. Here we go. You know, whenever you hit the gas pedal on a truck you're going to hear right right right right and that's what we're about to do through the top five headlines coming out of week 13's NFL Sunday Saturday football is Friday Thursday you get it put the clock down please let's get started number five headline the jig is up the booze are out they finally had it go ran a game boom shut off his soul What was that all about, boys?

Oh, yeah, it happened. Run it, Foxy, they're booing renegade in Pittsburgh. Oh, no. This guy's choking almost dying. It was cold. Sad. Oh, mama, I'm in fear for the Steelers. They're booing their ass at home.

I mean, that's happening in Pittsburgh. That's a time-art tradition. Renegade plays. The entire city goes crazy. Babies at McGee's Women's Hospital, where I was born over there in Oakland, are standing up in their little things doing the day. Oh, mama, that is what Pittsburgh's about that moment. Highlights of the defense, just demolishing people.

It has been symbolic of what the Pittsburgh Steelers are. Steelers fans for the third time this season playing good teams are now losing by double scores. double digits. And they had to lead at the half time of all of them. Okay? So these yinzers are going to these games. Some of these things ended in real late. Last night, obviously, freezing cold. You saw how cold every yinzer was in the crowd. They have the lead at half time in all of them. Seahawks, 14-7. Remember that day? That was a long time ago. That was whatever we were talking about. Maybe the Seahawks, yep, maybe the Seahawks. And then Green Bay

Packers, they were done 7 to 16, 167. The Steelers were up. Green Bay Packers would go on win by two scores. And then Pittsburgh Steelers, seven three at half. Seven, three. Three points. This is good. Yeah, he's good. This is like, Josh Allen.

This guy's ass. First play in the second half, Boses says, hey, Aaron, don't break your nose. Bain. Shrip sack, having the whole thing. Game changes completely. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are sitting there wondering, what the hell were we thinking when we bought into this team winning a Super Bowl this year?

That is what Yenzers are thinking. That is what Pittsburgh Steelers faithful are feeling. And when Renegades getting its ass boot, that's obviously problematic. And then he go to the end of the game. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are very good at doing things. And that is unified chance calling for somebody's ass to not be around anymore. Oh no.

Oh no. We are from Pittsburgh for Yinzors to get their point is not good. We are from Pittsburgh. We've experienced this before. Our show has actually been a vehicle for Yinzers to get their points across to the Pittsburgh Steelers' ownership in the Rooney family. Canada, back Canada. They were chanting fire, Canada, in Utah, on the Capitol in D.C. at Pittsburgh Penguins games. At JMU, they were chanting it. 20,000 plus were chanting it. Whenever Yinzer is

find something that they're all unified upon and they've given up, they're going to let that be heard a lot. This chant started there. And I appreciated Mike Tomlin's response. Mike Tomlin said, hey, listen, I share their frustration tonight was tough to watch. And it's like, I appreciate Tomlin's answer, Coach Tomlin's answer. Coach Tomlin is obviously an incredible speaker and a good leader, which is why he's been who he is. But boy, Pittsburgh seems to be completely fed up with them right now. And I heard some things said earlier on the show on GetUp. Yeah, first take, Stephen A.

He was talking about how any other nine years, no playoff win, you'd be gone, especially in a city like Pittsburgh, which is such a football town. I think that was a very valid point that he made. Now, he did talk about con, the con artist, the GM, and he said there was no moves made. Actually, there was a bunch of moves made, which is why this year felt a little bit different at the beginning. Tone, I don't want to say you speak for all of Pittsburgh, but I do think you are a good representation of how Steelers fans could potentially feel about the team, being that you are a diehard of the squad. What are your thoughts, and why do you think it's a boiling point at this? Because it feels like this has been lingering for, what, four or five years? Yes.

And then now it's like, we're done showing up for you guys to get your ass kicked, and don't even play Renegate? Is that what they're thinking? Yeah, last night was the tip of the spear, the boiling point is, if you will. Everyone. It's been split about, you know, the coaching staff changes, stuff like that. But everyone is now on the same page. I got a lot of text last night and this morning, hey, you okay? Yeah, yeah, I am.

Like, because this is, everyone's on the same page now, okay? We can't have this anymore. Nine years without a playoff win is absurd. Three playoff wins in the last 13 years. is absurd. Yeah, they've got 21 straight seasons without a losing season. That's really good, but it's not good enough when you're not winning in playoff games. Yeah, but you put it on a shirt.

You could put it on a shirt, and the national media can be like, yeah, if this guy gets fired, he's going to have a job the next day, which might be right. And Mike Tleman is a great coach. He's a Hall of Fame coach. But sometimes the voice just, it runs dry in the locker room. I don't know. No one's on the same page. Aaron is talking about people not showing up for meetings and film and stuff like that.

T.J. is talking about literally the same play. that they've run over and over and over for the bills, and they couldn't stop it once. Julian Edelman has come out and said that they know exactly what plays are going to be run against Steelers' defense. Jamar Chase has done the exact same thing. It just got to a point,

I think it's got to the point with the fan base and the city that this is just, this is not the Pittsburgh Steelers. You watch the product and it looks nothing like them. The fans are done with it. Everyone is done with it. We've all had enough. Dee, but how do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers' locker in feels?

Cam Hayward obviously said he got knead in his stomach and he didn't like how disrespected he was. He also probably didn't love that they did run the same duo play, basically, with James Cook and had the same outcome every single time. It cracks. Five in a row, he's out. Yeah, there's five straight players doing the same thing, and they were all very successful.

Yes, and this has been something that I think a lot of Steelers fans have kind of been talking about with the defensive side of the ball, which Mike Tomlin came from. It's like, the defense is terrible, and there's no adjustments. And whenever they talk about being predictable and the players on the field know that? Is that kind of like, if I remember, and you would have to correct me, you would be the person to correct me here.

Legion of Boom, they played like the same shit, right? But you had to beat them. Yeah, that was kind of the case. Is that what the Steelers mindset is too? And has it always been that way? Or why do you think the Steelers are where they are? And how do you think the players feel with all the outside noise about maybe this being the final time of the Tomlin?

Yeah, I feel like we've heard a ton of people, whether it be players or coaches talk about in the positive light, how, hey, these are the same blitzes, these are the same this, the same that. The Legion of Boom, they did their thing. When the Broncos went on their run, you know that, hey, you just had to beat man coverage. Everybody kind of has their own staples and they just get good at what they're good at. Now in this league, everything changes week to week. But if you look at these plays, these aren't like dynamic Ben Johnson type run plays or a bunch of moving parts. This is just lining up and running

the ball down your throat. And that is the complete opposite of what you think about when you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You think about toughness. You think about physicality. Whether that's on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. If you think about all the Pittsburgh greats, that's the first thing that kind of comes to your mind. whether it's a guy in the middle or drone baddest or one of these big physical guys. Like that's what you think. They're renegade. Like, I still got PTSD from that shit, been on an opponent.

When that shit comes on, you know, okay, some bullshit's about to come, a strip sack, a pig sick, something. So to see seven fans wavering their tile when they go live with that, that was disheartening. It's Monday. Tone didn't even put a Steelers helmet back on the desk that we both go back and forth on. I feel bummed out about him. But, yeah, it's tough. And I know Tone's getting a lot more. than I am, but I'm getting more, more messages saying, I don't, I don't like people being out on

Mike T. They threw the graphic up about the three franchises. I forget which three or what. I think Patriots is one of them, 20 plus years of not having a losing record. That is impressive. It was a great graphic. But sitting here Monday, that team, that fan base, you almost, you got be embarrassed to be a highest paid defense on the field. And those are got T.J. Watt, Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, Patrick. Like, these are notable, like, Hall of Fame type name. So for them to be sitting in this Monday watching these same plays that we're watching, it's tough. It's going to be a tough meeting room for sure. And it's tough because the fan base grew up on like the rush defense and we talked about it last year when Derek Henry ran for 475 yards

in the playoffs game or whatever. We grew up. They have the record. There was 32 consecutive games where they didn't allow 100 yard rusher. 32 consecutive. And now it's almost every single game that there's a hundred yard rusher. And that's just not who we are. It's crazy. Right there. We get 90 rush hour on 17 and third quarter. The stats popped up while you're talking about it. And here's some more stats that aren't good for the Steelers. Hembo cooked these things up. Plus 16 is the margin

of first downs between the bills to the Steelers. Plus 31 plays. Their defense was out there a lot. Boys were tired. 74 plays for the bills. Forty-three time of possession suite. And then that rush yards won there. Plus 191. The worst rushing margin for Pittsburgh in a home game since

1955. The fact that it's all happening in Pittsburgh. Yes. And the Inzers are spending their life watching it. That makes it exponentially worse because not only is it these Jensers and Coach Tomlin knows that, he's lived there for so long 20 years, whatever the case, 18 years. So he understands it just as much. Those injures gone home and they're talking to the neighbors, okay? Yeah. Neighbors are saying, Sue went down there. Do you see what they did? Second half, they just let him just run right out. James Cook, same exactly. That's what we're saying. Tomlin doesn't know shit. And then they go to the

next neighbor, and then they go to the next person they run into. Then all of a sudden, the entire neighborhood feels the exact same way. And it's like all you need is just a couple terrible experiences back to back to back. And it's happened all year with them. I think you can the insers are a group that will kill for you, actually. Like, we'll actually do that for you. And on flip side, we're done with you. Need you. Need you. Need you go ahead and take a walk here. I think they've always been that way. We'll always be that way. And I think right now is the loudest that I've heard it as somebody I feel like is kind of tapped into the city of Pittsburgh

and how they feel on things. There's always been a group that has been sick of the winning season shit. Sick of it, sick of it, sick of it, sick of it. We get a terrible draft pick. Great. Winning season. Let's get pick number 17.

Let's get pick number 18. We can't really get anybody. Oh, we're not going to trade for anybody. Of course we're not. Oh, we're not going to move up. So we're going to get another mediocre player to add to our above average team. and then we're going to steal some games

and we're going to have a good time and we're going to renegade this thing that's cool. There was a group of people that were like five years ago, four years into the lack of winning that that started to, it feels now that it is at the biggest and most unified that it has been in the city of Pittsburgh. The Rooney family has to...

You would think so. You would think so and a lot of people are really, really mad at ownership as well. But you could trade Coach Tomlin, right? Wouldn't that be a thing? You could. There was a report that what an old... Sorry, I don't know who reported it. I apologize. I saw the headline there's potential coach conversation

fresh new start thing Jake Wazer sir If it wasn't Jay Yeah someone reported That there's an elder coach in the league It might be looking for change But anyways Baltimore and Pittsburgh are tied

currently for the lead in the FC North And I every friend fan That I've talked to is like I wish we just would lose out If it means change Rather than like hey we're in the division fight Nobody cares about that anymore That's a shame

That's wild Hey they can go on run no boys That's right Hey, Google, just start going to meetings. Yep. Start going to meet. No, you need to go in and not out. Whenever I say, huh, hey, hey.

I thought he said he was at the meeting. That's what I thought I heard. I know they were on the wrong page as far as with the check, but I thought he said, everybody shows up to the meetings. Hmm. Oh, you're saying the way he delivered it was not condescendingly asking if everybody would start showing up to the meetings. You're saying, he was saying everybody showed up to the meetings

that he's don't understand what the chats were. Yeah, and we, we're saying, We've had conversations for years about, you know, how Aaron Rogers always changes. I'll Payton, Drew Breastard, Brady, like those are always moving parts. But maybe I misheard it. Run it. When there's film sessions, everybody shows up. And when I check through a route, you do the right route, you know?

Like, John and I just were on the same page. I checked to his end breaker and he ran Outbreaker. You know, John is a true professional, so I'm sure he's, you know, he's sick, sick about that. But, you know, I threw a ball I thought was going to get hit by the wind, and it was four yards over Roman, so I got to make that throw. But, you know, we have our meetings every week. We have other opportunities outside of the facility, and look forward to seeing all the boys there. Okay, so he was asked how he fixed the chemistry. He said, well, when there's meetings, everybody shows up.

Interesting. He does look cool, though. With the broken nose? Yeah, he looks like a Pittsburgh still the quarterback. I thought he was done. I thought he was done with that wrist, three fractures, the whole thing. He goes, lands on his face. Everything's busts.

I assumed he hurt this one again. No, probably. I assumed he somehow hurt this one again or whatever the case is. Then he comes back, bandaged up thing, still taking. the thing off, by the way, between everyone. He is, and I think nobody talks about it. He is old-schooled tough guy quarterback. Oh, yeah. That is how he views the position, have to. He even likes taking hits, I think, like that is a part of the entire thing. And he's been very anti-any of the rules. So him bouncing back is a 40-plus year old after having Bosa explode through his back

and then dump him on his face. And then the worst possible outcome happen. I mean, that shows all grit. It does. And Pittsburgh Steelers fans, appreciate the grit. Need to get some wins. with it. All right. It's got a number four headline from the NFL Sunday today. Tan! Tan! Two teams with 10! Wins! That's incredible. And they're both in the AFC con man. The Denver Broncos, who were almost everybody's kind of Lombardi babies coming into this particular season with that defense, everybody returning, they might have the best defensive player on

Earth and Sir Tan. Well, he wasn't even playing for a while. They were winning. He was back doing a whole strap up on everybody. They're fantastic. And Bo Nix and Sean Payton seemingly get the job done whenever they have to. A lot of close games. A lot of close games. The stats coming out about them being in close games, one score games. I think they have the most one score dubs. They have the most three points or fewer wins. They have the most this point. Like they are the close game kings right now. Is that because their defense is so dominant and gets great stops at the right time? Is it because Bo Nick, Sean Peyton, and the boys on the offensive side are so

resilient and kind of mentally tough. They're able to get the job done. Who cares? They got 10 wins. The other team, Patriots, tonight, taking on the Giants, looking for number 11. Both in the AFC. What does that tell you, Con, man? It really just tells you that the top is very top-heavy, if you will. The Broncos, yes, they're close games, but they win. I mean, at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

Bo Nix, he's coming alive. I mean, he beats the Chiefs, goes on the Biden, and then he throws for 320 on Monday night football. And yes, it's the commanders. You can say, well, they shouldn't be barely beating the commanders in overtime. Marcus Mario is a hell of a quarterback. I mean, we saw that last night. He led them down when

he needed to. They had a third and 15 maybe, and they somehow got the first down. Terry McLaurin being back for them is massive. That's a fourth and goal. Absolute dot. If you watch the replay, too, almost gets the flighted. Perfect rub, route. They almost have it here, but Nick Benito,

nope, that's a touchdown. Nick Benito, two-point conversion, he stops. And this is exactly why the Broncos are going to be in it at the end. You know, we talk about the 10 wins and Bo Nix, and people want to throw shade on them and stuff. Their defense is good enough to win them a Super Bowl. I mean, Benito and Cooper off the edge, Moss and Sertain in the back end. And then Alex Singleton, probably one of the better linebacker plays from the weekend

was Alex Singleton hauling ass back to break up a middle shot down to Zach Hertz down the middle. I believe it was a third in 10. But they're fantastic and their own line. Like that's the biggest thing for me. Like their old line is so solid. They can run the ball in Beacha. They can pass block in Beach. It's one of those things that they're a team that can be.

beat you in any way on the offense and defensive side. 10 and 2, 9 straight victories. There was a stat, Bo Nix, Drake May, and Caleb Williams from that draft class in the last nine weeks are combined 26 in one, which is ridiculous. But, I mean, then tonight with Drake May, I mean, it's one of those things where you kind of get to see the future in primetime. We had it last night, and now we have it.

Again, the Patriots looking to become the first team with 11 wins on the season there without their starting left tackle, Will Campbell and starting left guard, Jared Wilson. So that will be the matchup to watch. You know, Brian Burns off the edge, Tibodeau, out for the Giants, which is big, but Dexter Lawrence in the middle, too. It's going to be a hell of a game. It's incredible to see that the young AFC teams are having this much success,

two game lead in the one and two seeds, but it's just amazing to be one of those teams there. Yeah, you talk about the young quarterbacks, too. Bo Nicks obviously been in the same system here for a couple years. Caleb and Drake, new systems here. So they're only going to go up and to the right. The young boys are certainly playing bears, obviously, in the NFC. Wow, they are for real.

But the AFC, the two 10-win teams looking for 11, obviously, have been dominant throughout. Let's go to the number three headline coming out of Week 13 Sunday Slate. Oh, big catches. Bad days. Yeah, bad days. Not like, yeah, bad days. These guys take L's but have highlight real catches. So you can't even really talk about it.

You can't even celebrate it. If you get a pick and you have a dance, if your team loses, we don't care that you practice the dance and people don't care. Can't even post it. Hmm? No I'm saying, you can't even like post it. Exactly.

You shouldn't. Just read the room a little bit, but on that note, there were some guys that had highlight real catches, but their team's lost so we can't talk about it. Chiefs, are they okay? I don't know.

Hollywood's got the touch down in Jerry World. Congrats at Dallas Cowboys, by the way. they got to be absolutely pumped. And the Chiefs, who are they? What are they? We don't know. After they beat the Colts, thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, the phone.

They might be all the way back. Then they lose the Cowboys. It's like, are the Cowboys the best football team in the NFL? The Chiefs still have it. We shall see Indianapolis Colts on a two-game slide. Don't love it. Maybe talk to C.J. Stroud here later today. Alec Pierce, absolute weapon and a dog,

has become much better for the Indianapolis Colts this year on being a deep threat. A lot of Moxie, I assume somebody's going to pay for him in a huge, huge way. And then let's talk about Berks. Burks, baby, number 13 in the corner. Marcus Mary Goda, give him a shot, one-handed. How you doing? Now, people said he was a busty-butch, and now he's got Mary Goda throwing him absolute mosses over mosses.

Unbelievable catch. I mean, Riley Moss, that's as good as coverage you can have on that type of play. You just got to look at your coach, look at the sideline, say, hey, they get paid too. Phenomenal catch on primetime. You know, reminences of OBJ on Sunday night football. I saw the 13-for-13 Twitter. from OBJ, and

congrats of the Broncos get a big time win. Once again, these are all losing teams in all these highlights. Speaking of, Chargers do their thing that are writers, Brock Bowers. Too big, too athletic,

too absurd. This is an O's the mentalist type mind blower here. That thing should hit the ground. Great coverage yet again by the Chargers. Brock Bowers doing special stuff since the day he stepped

onto a football field, I'd assume, Darius. Yeah, that's unbelievable. Once again, there's nothing more you can do as a defender, a good throw by J.

Actually, I can't even say good throw. It's the back shoulder. You're putting it in a place where only your guy can get it. Just a phenomenal effort by Brock Baers. And then friend of the program, took an hell. Hey, Carolina Panthers is a good football team. Yeah, Lion Panthers are good football teams.

You know who's good football player? Puka! Give me that! That's very reminiscent of the Odell Beckham Jr. Reach one-handed snag as well. Having a battle off a hand in there and then bring it in and cradle to the body with the control to be able to keep it off the turf. That's an incredible catch by Pooka Nakua,

who might be the next one. Honestly, he might be the next one. And whenever it comes down to it, two, three years from now. Unguardable. Matt Starf, obviously, he had a couple turnovers this game, but this is one of those situations where, hey, my guy's out there, I'm going to throw it up, give him a chance to make a play. He went up there and made a play. And this was a point in the game where you thought, okay, the Rams are figuring it out,

they may come back and win it. But like you said, the Panthers are a very good football team. Are we sure Pug is the same player, though, because he ran out of bonds yesterday. People are sending me a couple tweets about that. People were saying he broke a tackle, little off balance, full speed. A couple guys here steps out of bounds. Then he comes back in, though. I think he maybe just lost track, lost his balance.

But there was people saying Pooka Nakua ran out of bounds. If he did run out of balance, Pook, I'd like to let you know. Yes, some more of that. Some more of that. We don't need to pick up an extra three feet when we already got 17 or 20, brother, okay? And if it's going to save it, let's do that. Now, let's go to the number two headline coming out of the weekend.

The dogs were barking. Hey, right, right, Hurt! Ron Breaker gets a big win last night with the Vision as well, or Saturday night, obviously, in Survivor Series. The dogs were barking there in San Diego at Pecko Park. But also, first 11 games of this week, the underdogs were nine and two, okay, against the spread. Obviously, that would change as the favorites will go on to start winning down the stretch.

But throughout Thanksgiving and obviously the Black Friday game, it was Underdog City. Why do you think that's the case, Dee, but do you think whenever we're celebrating a holiday and the entire world is watching, and there's a ducking on the line, a pile on honoring Mr. Madden, and everybody's going to be talking about it? Do you think it kind of, you can wipe out the record books, you can wipe out the matchups? It's going to be a battle? Why do you think underdogs had such a big time on the holiday? I don't know if it was one thing in particular. I feel like we always have that week or those couple weeks where the dogs just get to bark in.

This was definitely one of those weeks. Now, the short, you know, the Thanksgiving and the Black Friday games, we always know you can kind of throw everything out the window. You never know what's going to happen in those type of games. But it's any given Sunday in this league, I think this year is showing the NFL when it comes a parody like we're right up there with any other league absolutely here's the quote from or the stat from hembo actually uh overall seven underdogs won outright in week 13 thus far second most in any week this season uh all four underdogs on thanksgiving and black friday one outright carolina

one is a nine and a half point underdog second largest they were 13 and a half yeah a couple weeks they're a good football team man they could surprise some folks panthers are the uh only team to win games when they are more than a 10 point favorite i think at one point they were or 10 point underdog i one point they were 10 point dogs. Every other team is 0 and 14. Panthers are 2 and 0. Yeah, the Panthers surprise folks. I guess it would be the gomblers that they're surprising

because the sports books wouldn't be scoring it if they didn't think the gomblers would be doing what they're doing. I don't think a lot of people paying attention to the Panthers. They're kind of turning that thing around and they're for real. And if you give Bryce Young some time and the ability to operate, he's able to do his thing. And on the defensive side, there's seemingly hungry, hungry hippos out there. Turning Stafford over is a big deal, especially with the season he's having right now.

Yeah, Derek Brown up front. doesn't get talked about a bunch, but he's one of the best interior defensive linemen in the league. On the back end, Mike Jackson, he showed out, he bawled out with the pick six. It's been however long now that Matt Stafford hasn't thrown in pick six. That's kind of used to be Matt Stafford's thing. If it was

bad, Stafford, it would be some fumbles, which he had late in the game, some pick six. It's Mike Jackson sitting on that route. I think Sean McVey kind of took on the ship and said, hey, you know, I wish I gave him a better play. But the most impressive win from the dogs, I would say, for me, was that Bears win. Like, we talked about the bills

running the ball down to throw against the Pittsburgh Steelers, like they ran down the Philadelphia Eagles throw. Two backs over 125 yards just toting that right, right down the middle. You're watching the plays. You see the replays. You see all the movement.

And even though they're simple, you know, run game and run plays, all of the movement, all that eye candy for defensive backs and linebackers, it's tough to be in the right spot, being the right place. So Caleb Williams,

I don't think is even close to where he needs to be yet in the passing game aspect of, but when they can run the ball like this and play defense, this Bears team. They're sitting them worn an NFC for a reason right now. 281 rush yards for the Chicago Bears and Jacked Ben Johnson. That's the most versus the Eagles under a Nick Siriani-led team.

Obviously, they had 200-yard rushers, Monongi, and Swift, and 17 first downs, which is the most by any team this season. So Chicago Bears kind of did their thing to the Philadelphia Eagles, and you got a lot of Eagles fans going, the tush push, we failed. I mean, we couldn't even do a push, this isn't what we are. This isn't what we are. this isn't who we're going to be and we've got to figure some things out over there

I don't know how they do it AJ brought a good guy He did and that ball a lot two thuds and that might be the strategy when you're playing against the Eagles let's add AJ Brown eat and just stopped the run

the Caleb Williams roll left touchdown to Cole Komet was so nasty he's a guy he is very very like we talk about the Caleb shit like this is filthy

in a bucket are you kidding fade away running backwards cross body and that's Cole Kemet He had that in his back. Colson Loveland hasn't even really gotten going yet for the offense. He had a two-touchdown game already, but still, like, if he continues to go, the bears are tremendously scared.

And Ben Johnson, jacked. Jacked. Absolutely jacked. I love seeing that. Free wieners for the city, I do believe, because he went tarpless in the locker room, somebody, Wiener Circle, I believe. I don't remember the name of the place. They're giving up free dogs for the city if Ben Johnson was to go shirtless, and he said, give me one more week.

Give me two more weeks. I think you've been hitting it a little bit harder. Absolutely jacked, and I'll tell you what, every time you look in a locker room or you see anything mic'd up, what I try to see is, uh, these people like each other, you know, obviously you're going to get good quotes, but my eyes always tend to go to like, how do these people feel about each other? You can kind of pick up little tells, because they're always going to edit the micd-up, so I only give you what they want you to hear. You're not really going to get much shit, but what you can see is how they interact. You know, there's brief moments of interaction. It's like, okay, they seem like they like each other. Oh, I don't think they like that guy. You can get that out of mic up. Johnson, boys love him. Love him. Good, better best.

Never let rest till good is better and better is best, and then bear on me. They have a whole thing. Everybody's in. And if he has that culture set up, his culture is a winning culture, right? Don't we all agree? In football.

Oh, yeah. The culture that Ben Johnson has established, we're going to be powerful. We're going to pound them. We're going to play great defense. And also, we're going to be smarter on offense and design people to be wide-ass open. Oh, yeah.

And we got Caleb Williams, who's a super talent. It's like, if the culture has been instilled, There's like no stopping this train, right? Isn't that kind of like the biggest thing? Can he get his culture in? Can he get his culture in? Oh, he lost the locker room. That's what happens when somebody can't get their culture in.

Ben Johnson is a hard ass, allegedly, accountability driven, and he's got his culture in play already. And it's very obvious whenever you see all the mic'd ups and the cameras behind the scenes. Yeah, and you got to get results too, especially in the big poor league, the national football league. You have to get results. And that's how you get the real buy-in from the vets and the young guys. Because we've seen coaches go to certain places and try to be a hard-ass,

and it not worked and I think mainly because it doesn't have the results so getting these results and it shows you man whatever it takes go and get your coach like it matter

coaching matters going to get your coach obviously you have to have a quarterback as well but go and get your coach collegiate level professional level go and get your guy

whatever it takes whatever bullshit comes with it it'll be all right because those vibes in the locker room like that that is just completely different of anything we've seen from the Bears since

you know they went to the Super Bowl in Miami and 06 and grossman running the show but yeah go and get your head coach get your quarterback and it shows a lot that Ben Johnson obviously chose to go to Chicago pair up with Caleb Williams and now like these guys

man those are the vibes you that's what you miss that's the type of shit you miss is a former player been in the locker room that feeling after a game when all you know nobody's white guys everybody was picking the Eagles you thought okay he was going to figure it out they gave up nine points seven points and then to go in there run the ball down their throat like that against a physical ball

club like that is nothing better after that special man yeah and to DeBeth's point like go and get your coach and I mean Tony the only team the Steelers should really look to as far as moving on from a legendary coach would be the Patriots and you can go back to the Andy Reed Eagles sure if you want to but in recent memory

the Patriots made the decision to move on from Bill and then double down on their decision by firing Gerard Mayo after the first year like sometimes you get the wrong guy but when your right guy comes available to DeButz point like Vrable like you just have to make that decision it takes a lot of balls

from the owners and A lot of gut sack to do that. Yeah. Yeah, because you're making a big state. You're changing the trajectory of everything. And if that culture, you know, it stinks right away. And then you'd go to another culture. Oh, is the grass greener?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, and, you know, like, Ben Johnson deserves all of the credit, obviously. But him bringing in Dennis Allen to be in D.C. having a guy who has been a head coach before. Because every week going into these games, all we hear about is how banged up the bear's defense is. And they go out and they do the same thing every week. They turn the other team over. multiple times. And there's no excuses. So him having the wherewithal to be like, yes, I will

have the offense, you know, humming on all cylinders and ready to go. But I also need to get a guy who knows what the hell he's doing on defense and getting a guy who's been a head coach before. Like, that was a massive move as well. I agree. Congrats to everybody that was an underdog and had a great holiday. We very much love that. It showcases that our league, anything can happen on any given field. And Sean McVeigh was asked about those Panthers. Did you guys not respect them? And he basically said, Carolina Panthers is a good football team. That's basically what he said.

It's the NFL. Everybody's good. There's a couple of ball bounces this way. I wish I would have given a better play. What he wanted to say was, hey, Carolina Panthers are good football. It's a good football team. Yeah, Bryce Young, youngest quarterback to 11 game-winning drives was the stat yesterday for him as well.

All right, yeah. All right. Congrats to them. That seemed like a lost cause. From top? Yep. Oh, my God. All the way to the bottom of the stadium.

Even their fake AI thing The Panther that they had It was the worst one of all time I liked it I liked it It was cool but you really couldn't tell It was a gift It was a gift they just put on Jumbotron What are you talking about?

Similar to your right It's in the stands No it's not That was the thing It was only you know It was good for TV It was sick Okay

Let's not act like you didn't pull that up on the phone Chat Cpte can go make me one of those That's a different time We can't have relative But But to Lions reversing the curse with Daniels and Manning doing the whiskey thing, kind of you could make the argument

with Tepper opening the stadium for the fundraiser. Hurricane relief, yeah. With Luke Combs, Eric Church, Caleb, I forget who else was all down. Chase Rice. Sold out the stadium and he can have it. And also here's donation on top of it. And also this on top. It's like, wait a minute. Did the Grinch's heart grow three songs? Yeah, flipped the whole thing.

Remember when he was going into restaurants? Like, hey, take that sign down right now. I ain't firing anybody. his hat off his head. Then he had his ice. Yeah, the ice on the fan. Yeah, I ain't going to get the hell out of my face. Menace.

And he was a minute. He was in absolute menace. And then he opened up the stage. And then he said, you know what, geez, I got to step back a little bit. And he, hey, everything he's ever done, he's had success. So it seems like that's happening right now. Number one storyline. Hey, listen.

The AFC South, it just means more. Now, everybody understands that going into the year that the AFC South. is a juggernaut. The AFC South has Mount Rushmore of teams basically. How many teams are in there? Four. Where would they go? Rushmore. All of them. Titans, a little problematic. Okay, they got to figure it out. Maybe worst team ever.

Could potentially be. They are exactly what we were just saying about Carolina Panthers and there's been some other teams that have been in this position since our Texans at one point were in this position. Oh, yeah. Whatever way you're kind of doing. Raiders not too far off. Yeah, they're seemingly heading that way potentially, but they got Tom Brady there so we assume that he will figure it out and everything like

that. But the Tennessee Titans got a lot to figure Cam Ward, I think, has all the talent in the world. If you put nothing around him, will you ever be able to accomplish anything? We have no idea. But the people of Nashville are great football people. So, like, hopefully that'll come together because Nashville and football being great would be fantastic. It has been fantastic, but they fire Vrable. Vrable now, maybe coach of the year with New England.

Lady doesn't even show up at the firing of the thing. I mean, there's just a lot with them being bad. Jaguars, though, don't look now. Liam Cohn's got him rolling. D'Amico, Rines, Houston Texans? Well, they just get a huge way. That's good football team. They're a huge win in division in a difficult place to play.

Now, the ABC South, though, everybody has to still play everybody, okay? Colts still have to play Jacksonville Jaguars twice. We have to play Houston Texans one more time. Every divisional game for the Indianapolis Colts has come in the final quarter, basically, of the NFL season. Remember when we were the hottest team in the NFL? I do. Yeah. There was no division games then.

All the division games are right now. And guess what? Our quarterback has a fractured fabulous. which I didn't even know what the fuck it was and I looked it up that thing's right here that's a very vital one B-Bos connected

Yeah, you do! That came out of nowhere. Saw him on injury report. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on here? What's going on here? Nothing, no, all good, okay, it'll be good. He's still playing.

See him on an injury report again. Togu. It's going on here. Nothing, nothing's going on. Then I see a video from Romeo Wood. Ooh. He's doing it all. Big Ben.

He can't even move. Put him in a boot. What's he doing? He's all right. He broke his leg. He'll be fine. Well, at least you have AR as backup, right? Oh, no.

He has himself warming up. Yeah. Well, at least non-division games are the Seaharks in the 90s. Yeah, a couple cupcakes. Yeah. Yeah, it's easy road here. Who did this? Wow.

I don't know if this was Roger Goodell or who was. I didn't see that. We've been through enough. But on that note, it's a tough schedule. And listen, CJ, I mean, this guy, I don't know what his problem is. He's throwing a bowl basically like this. 30 yards down the field right on the money to somebody every single time. It makes no sense how good he is, seemingly every time he steps foot into our building.

He is everything that you would want your quarterback to be when he's in our building. Now, our defense made some plays. Even though I interception did a dance, it was sweet. We did a lot of good things. Alec Pierce made some place. But inevitably, in the end, the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts. And it wasn't just the Houston Texans, might I add. It was also the refs.

It was also the officials. Oh, shit. Listen, they put ass, and these officials are ass. Okay, that is what these particular refs did. This is a delay game. Okay, it's third and 15. Obviously, field goal range, so 16, 13, we assume Kayemi Fairbairn will make the kick, maybe, okay?

So obviously, a delay a game, so they should have had to play. Then we get a phantom defense and pass interference, okay? So bad. So play shouldn't happen, okay? And now what? Oh, yeah, pass interference on who? On that? And then the ref is literally standing right behind and he had good eyes.

on his thing. I saw him. This is right down. I think. He calls defense pass interference. Obviously, they get a first down. Okay, sweet. This should have been a field goal. Instead, end around. Collins. Touchdown Texans. All of a sudden, it's 20 to 13, right? Well, that would be if they hit the extra point.

Well, let's go to the extra point. Yeah, he misses it. Okay, so it doesn't even go in. And this guy, yep, it's good, right? That's what we're doing. So this is all within a span of like four or five plays. So whenever you talk about an entire building just getting the day, you suck chance out of them as aggressively

as possible. You're talking about in this exact moment. It was absurd and it was back to back to back to back and it's like the Houston Texans defense is phenomenal. There's there. There's some Texans fans in there. The fans are also great. CJ Straub. Oh no. Is this real?

They had to change the name? Brandon Alvarez. I do know. Oh, no. Wait, when they do that? I told it actually can't do this. I told it. Hey, excuse me. This is not a lot. AI is getting out of control. Oh, that's not real? I don't think.

No, that's not real. Okay. Were the cranes already going up when you guys were leaving yesterday to do this? That is not real. That is AI. It is not actually the- Wait, really?

Brandon Alvarez said he took the picture, right? Then he said, no, damn, Pat responded to a pick. I made it. Oh, yeah, it's fake. It's not true. Okay. Wait, but did he make it in, like, with his camera? He was the foreman?

Yeah. No, he was on the thing, and he was doing it. Because every time C.J. He wasn't in the helicopter. He did not. That is not. It's called the Lodd House. It is not called the Stroud House.

I'm done with it. But this is what happens when C.J. plays against us, seemingly always wins. And with the Indianapolis Colts quarterback situation being what it is, we're in trouble. Because a big part of Dany Dimes'em's his offensive contributions is the fear that he can outrun you, which he can. Hey, what boy got a little motion whenever he was running. Danny Dimes, you know, he kind of looks like a nerd, acts like a nerd, everything like that. He's big, strong, powerful fast bullet.

Over rush yards. It over rush yards every single game. That's a massive part of his game. It really isn't much fear of that right now. I don't think. And Houston, Texans, number one defense. Cool. That was not the right team to have to play against with that.

They are. They hunt. They do. Boy, I actually thought a couple different times. These fans have to hate watching these games. Their defense is so good. This is ass. Like, your offense, you're here for the offense.

You show up, and your offense is going to be ass against this team. So you're just going to sit there and be, all right. Maybe next time. All right. This is getting kind of boring, isn't it? Boo! We need to start doing some stuff. Boo! It's like, well, this Texan's defense doesn't let you. They are very good. And the Jacksonville Jaguars, very good.

In the Indianapolis Colts, we're trying to hold on right now. We are trying to hold the hell on right now. We get a tough road down the stretch. Joining us right now, ladies and gentlemen, a senior NFL insider in Michigan, Matt, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefke. Hey, Shepty. Sorry, we made you wait there. We apologize. Let's talk about Danny Dimes, shall we?

I didn't know what a fibula was. I had to obviously Google it, ask where it is. That feels like a pretty important one to somebody. who's pretty mobile. Now, Danny Dimes, fractured fibula, what do we know, and what should we be expecting going forward? Well, I think it's a hairline fracture, and I think it compromises his lateral. You'll see that he has not been able to move laterally as much as he did earlier in the year, and they're not calling as many plays for him to run as they did earlier in the year, and it seems to be an issue in that regard. Obviously, he's full participant in practice.

Obviously, he's going to play, but obviously he's not going to play the same way. that he's been playing and I think that that has impacted their offense some. Yeah, it certainly has. And also, it hurts very bad, this type of thing. So obviously the amount of mental toughness that he'll have to go through every single step, we shall watch as the journey to the AFC South Championship

rolls on. Sauce Gardner, we lost him very early in the game. You know, I was actually with Tyrese Halliburton, recovering very well, by the way. I just showed a one-footed dunk last week. Tyrese Halliburton was in the suite. I know watching the game, he's a big Colts fan, loves coming out. He saw the replay of this, and obviously he's

going through an Achilles thing right now, he goes, hey, that looked like, that looked like something, you know, he looked back there, the calf, something along those lines, immediately upon it happening, because that's kind of the M.O. of one of these things. It feels like somebody kicks you from the back, they say, and then he got carried off. Now, he's walking there, but when he was on the field, there was no pressure on his foot at all. So we were all very, very worried. What are we hearing with Sauce Gardner? As obviously, we were bummed out quick that we lost the number one out there. Yeah, well, the good part is, obviously, it doesn't seem like it's his Achilles. And the great Dr. Randy Moss diagnosed that right away. We were in our

conference room watching the games after Sunday countdown. And obviously, to your point, Pat, everybody thinks, okay, is this an Achilles? But within minutes, Doss was back on the field in a boot and with crutches. And Randy's like, if you tear your Achilles, you're not going back out into the field. It won't be his Achilles. And it doesn't look like it was. It looks like it's a calf injury. It looks like it's multiple weeks. I think we may have seen in the last event for roughly about a month. Roughly, we'll see if I have to put him on injured reserve or not. Hey, the good part is it's not as Achilles. Because it was his Achilles, you don't even know if the guys are ever going to be the same kind of player again. Fortunately, it looks like a calf injury.

Cats are not fun. And it looked like it was very painful. And hopefully he's back soon. and hopefully Tyrese Halliburton is back soon. Yeah, well, I've been telling Tyrese, the Pacers need them, so maybe we expedite this thing. I think we've won three games this year, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think second last night. Okay, yeah, whatever the case.

Yeah, Tyrese is going to be back in good spirits. Nice to hear that sauce. Going to be back for our playoff push here in Indianapolis as it takes place. A couple other injuries as well. Any updates? Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Shephty, Thanksgiving. Ammon Ra went down early with an ankle.

They have Thursday night football this week. What's it looking like for Amman Raw's recovery? recovery. I would say most people would not be able to make it back for Thursday night football, knowing Amman Ra, I think he's going to wind up pushing to try to play on Thursday. Now, whether he can do that or not, we'll see how the week of practice goes and we'll see how he feels on Thursday. I don't think they're going to be ready to rule him out quick. Maybe they will, but I think he's going to give it a chance to be able to try to play on Thursday. I'm not telling he will, but this guy is very, very tough.

Yeah, very tough, very strong. I mean, seemingly built for everything. If he's able to bounce back that quick, I think we will all be impressed and stuff, go ahead. Yeah, I was just saying, you know, you're missing, if he doesn't play, if he doesn't plan Thursday night, no Amman Rahm, no Sam Leporta, all the injuries in the second. It's a lot to overcome for them.

No, Ragnow. I'll tell you what, man, yeah, what happened? The day, Ragnall came in and the doctors were like, hey, exactly what we said, like, six months ago. You just can't. Yeah, you need to stay retired. You can't do it, dude. We're sorry. Like, we wish we could, but

the scans have come back. lose my license. The exact same as whenever you had your whole body is broken, Frank. And obviously the world respects the shit out of you

for that, but it's like we can't let you back on the field just like last year we were damn I mean, come on Frank, you're too damn tough. We can't do it. Is that what happened? Is that basically how the whole story went

with Frank? I mean, like he goes in there. They announce he's coming back. He wants to come back and they go in. The doctors look. and they find a hamstring issue. Frank, shredded. Frank, you can't have physical.

And, you know, that announcement came about 15 minutes before Michigan, Ohio State kicked off. In a weekend, which the Lions already lost the game on Thanksgiving Day. So they lose Thanksgiving Day. Now you lose Frank Ragno, not that he had them. I'm like, oh, I know how this Michigan-Ohio's Day game is off. The whole weekend for Michigan, like that, that's how it's going for the state right now. I mean, I can have predicted that right away. It was cold up there, man.

It was cold up there. Congrats to Ohio steak in a big time win. They're trying to win by Ohio State Buckeyes. Hey, young team up out of Michigan. They can learn from this as they go forward. Foxy, you're a little bit worried about these lines, man? You a little bit worried about what's going on? I mean, as Shifty said, I was heading home for Thanksgiving.

It's Wednesday. Ragnow's back. We're going to meet the Packers tomorrow. The Lions are going to be in the playoffs. We're going to go to the Super Bowl. Everyone is fired up for the best Thanksgiving of all time. And then we lose. Ragnow is out.

And I'm not a man. Michigan fan, but I know a lot of people that went to the Lions game on Thursday, spent their Thanksgiving at Ford Field, and also spent their Saturday at the Big House. One of the worst weekends of all time for those people. So yeah, it's been pretty tough over

here. Sorry to hear that about your holiday, if that's how it went, but on that note, the people in Ohio are living nice. People in Ohio were living very, very nice, and good luck to the Lions as they continue to do this. Okay, last big time injury, we don't know

if you're going to have any updates. Obviously, quick turn around. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Chefty, anything on Justin Herbert? We heard he broke his left hand, and we just saw Rogers, you know, have a couple breaks in his left wrist, and he missed a week, obviously. The Chargers haven't said whether or not he's going to miss a game yet. But with their, you know, playoff positioning, they obviously can't really afford for Herbert to miss any time. Have you heard anything on that?

Well, he's having the surgery today. He says he's going to try to play. He's treating it as if he's playing. Now, again, he's going to have a surgery. We'll see how he can get through the week of practice, what his grip on the football is like. I don't know if there's any ligament damage. I think that's a key question here when doctors go in there. Maybe they find some ligament damage or not.

Hopefully not. Hopefully he's back soon. Yesterday he goes out and then comes back in with that giant like oven mitt on his left hand and finishes the game. That guy's a warrior. Absolutely. He's going to try to play next Monday night. We'll see if the surgery today allows. that tab. I think it's up in the air.

His football guy, you know, Herbert's football guy. If he can play, he will play. Max Crosby and he obviously had their moment. Whenever he shoves him for yelling in his ear, Max says, did anybody fight Max? I think Alignment Ren, over. I don't know about fighting Max. I don't think so.

Just walked off. I don't know. I'm not getting into that. I'm not getting into that. Max Crosby, what a menace when he talk about menaces of all menaces. He's doing his thing. Love good AFC West football.

Oh, that was in his year. That's the first time. Yeah. the whole thing. Yeah, okay. It's a little Philip Rivers. Yeah, he was screaming right at him. 92-yard touchdown! He's yelling at that defensive line.

He helps, after he helps him up in that entire thing. I like that. Yeah, there's a little heat there. We like that. There's a little heat there. Yeah, I do love everything about it. Okay, let's move on to some big-time stories that are obviously developing. Go ahead, Tone.

Yeah, Shepton. I'm not sure if you saw it, but for the fourth time this season on primetime in front of a national TV audience, the Steelers got embarrassed. The renegade got booed And there was fire Mike Tomlin Chance Is there any chance That there is a change

In Pittsburgh this season? What are the reeds or vibes You're getting out of that building? Tony, I've always felt like If a change ever occurs there It's going to be Because Mike Tomlin doesn't want to be back there. Mike Tomlin, again,

I know the people in Pittsburgh don't like it. It hasn't had the losing season and his 18 years as a head coach trying to make it interrupt. They also haven't won a playoff game since 2016. So it's both ways. Some people view it one way, other people view it another way. I could say if they didn't want Mike Tomlin there, and maybe the message is stale,

maybe he moves on like Andy Reid, finds a new home. Andy Reed's time in Philly had run out. He went to Kansas City. We see how that worked out for him. Of course, he drafted Mahalmers, but it worked out incredibly well. And the Chiefs obviously love having him. If Mike Tomlin were a coaching free agent, he automatically would become the number of one coaching free agent out there.

He could have any coaching job he wanted. He could have any broadcasting job he wanted. Oh, yes. So, I mean, you know, yeah, maybe the Steelers fans clearly have had enough of Mike Tomlin, but I don't know that they're not firing

Mike Tomlin. That's not going to happen. We're not going to get one of these announcements that the Steelers have relieved him of his duties the way that we get from other teams. Would there be a trade or anything like that? Would that be the conversation? And obviously, Coach Tom, Tomlin would have to be the one that kind of says he's good with it. Mike, Coach Tomlin, whenever, this is just like the James Franklin at Penn State,

but Tomlin actually won a bunch. Five, ten years from now, everybody, if there is a change, we're not saying that there is, or we have any say in anything, or the Rooney's kind of do their entire thing. People will look back on Tomlin and his super pot. Like, Tomlin will be remembered as absolute hero in Pittsburgh at some point. But I think the Pittsburgh people, like you mentioned 18 years of winning season, they're like, we're done with that whole thing.

We'll be excited to look. Okay, we've got to be quick here because we obviously push the first 15 too long. Debutt has a question for you about another team that's thinking about change. Yeah, we're staying in Pennsylvania with the Eagles. Obviously, you know, defending Super Bowl champs, but it's been ugly couple games sliding now on offense. Any changes coming at the offensive play caller with Kevin Petulow?

Will he be out? They've said, no, they're not doing that. Everybody wants changes there, too. I think that, you know, Nick Siriani probably has to get a little bit more involved in the offense. The offensive line's got to play better. There's probably a combination of factors. But Nick Siriani said they're not planning to do anything.

like that dbutt okay that's big news out of philadelphia hopefully they're able to get rolling again you know when sequin was going so much fun it's cool it was so much fun when jalen was doing cool stuff it was always fun now it just seems like there's drama over too much a lot of distraction but never distraction with you adam shepter we appreciate the hell out of you brother thank you guys appreciate it happy monday you in studio tonight or what are you doing i'm sitting in my house right now i'm uh gonna go to the doctors i've been coughing for about a week every with every cough yesterday he would move further and further away from me in the conference. Smart.

It's a good idea. You need to see you up, brother, over there. Okay, good luck. We're pulling for you. We love you. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schaeffield. Congratulations, by the way. Yeah.

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to chat about. It's not just me, obviously. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Want to have a hammer down Cowboys AP Towne sitting right there. Tone, how'd the public do this weekend? Do we have the numbers on how the public did over the weekend here? I do actually. 60% or more of the bets of the team. Sorry, let me restart that. Yep, yep. Hey, from the beginning. Hey, Tone, how the public do this weekend? You got any books on that or anything? Yeah, Pat, let me tell you about that. Teams that were getting 60% or more of the bets against the spread. We're actually five and four this week. That's our first winning week of the year, baby.

Wow. Oh, Mama, I'm in here on my life. Maybe we just try to keep that for like a good feeling. Yeah, maybe I like where you're at. Maybe the Patriots take that song tonight. Don't you do that? Yeah, I think that's a great idea. That'd be perfect with the leader of the life.

Don't you do that? Yeah. Who did the Yankees? pitcher who had that you're right Pittsburgh oh Mary Ann Arr oh David Bednar

yeah he's Pittsburgh guy right yeah came from the Pirates I didn't even thought about that yeah I was I was going to say you thought the curse of the babe was bad you take Renegade you see what that curse does to you I don't I don't believe you guys no I don't know if he's going to even come out to it anymore

because that's the whole reason he did it because he was thinking of you know James Harrison sack and Joe Flacco that's why I'm Pittsburgh Steelers fans booed renegade last night in the fourth quarter when the defense was on the field a tradition that is maybe one of the best in the NFL.

And there's not a lot of a... And we'll take it with a happy heart. No. Don't you have like living on a prayer or some bullshit? We got basically everything. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't you bullshit John Bon Jovi, okay? Those butts calm down for a second. But we'll gladly take Renegade. And just like Coach Gary Gaines says, ain't no such thing as curses. I mean, maybe the Lodd House takes Renegade, too.

You mean, the Stridehouse? you need I didn't like that nine-year NFL vet Derrish Jay Bother I don't like that one bit I didn't like that CJ has a lot of success

in that building he does has he ever lost four weeks I don't think so he's on the feet I don't think he's ever he's pretty good

yeah he's pretty good and boy it's nice to have eyes on it because every time he drops back you think this guy's got nowhere to throw the ball this guy has nowhere to throw the ball and then somehow

he throws it to a spot it hovers okay just doesn't go and just right in somebody's hand he's unbelievable and the way he walks is just so confident just so confident because I think he's a little duck footer

right so his feet go out like that and he's a heeled toe walker so he has a natural sway because his duck feet kind of lead him to this thing so his moxie radiates literally through every step that he takes he's a weapon dude he is an

absolute weapon Colin's very good Woody very good I mean you talk about the defense number one defense the league, it's like, I don't look, but it's called the Loud House. It's not called the Stroud house. No matter how many times C.J. Stroud goes in there and has career days. Okay, we're kind of all done with that. You worried about the Colts? Yeah, because of the Daniel Jones injury. I think that's big. Him playing, been a tough guy, been out there, it's big news, but obviously

you talked about his athleticism, his ability, extend plays. Yes, and then this schedule. You want to win on there? Yeah, I see a few words. There's another Duke quarterback that can run waiting in the wings. Yeah, Riley Leonard, I see him. He's big strong, strong, strap it. That was a national, went to the national championship. No.

Remember that first drive in the national championship? I remember. And the last one. Excuse me, this guy's been in the lab here in Indianapolis with Shane Steichen, which is his name. It wasn't a whole lot of that today. And a lot of stinking. Joining us now live from Anandakin, Ohio is a college football national champion with the Ohio State Buckeyes. Wow.

He's waking up feeling much better today than he was for 2,191 day. He's a Super Bowl champion, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hart. All the days, AJ, now you get a chance to say, I'm happy today, you know, because you guys finally beat Michigan. You did it up there in Ann Arbor. I'm happy for us, man. I'm happy we did it. You know, I'm happy we did it, age. Yeah, it was a very smart pick, I think, that you made on college game day, obviously, with Hutch sitting right next.

He was very good, actually, by the way. I appreciate him and his energy and how he interacted with you guys and everybody on the panel. But, yeah, I mean, you know, the Bucks went up there and took care of business. Here we go. We got Indiana next another week. Here we're going to win with some humility here. You know, I'm not going to say, I liked Ryan Day saying I've thought about what I was going to say in this press conference a lot. That's awesome.

Okay? I'm going to save those for another day, and I'm going to win with some humility. here. I also appreciate him afterwards talking to Coach Shereau more. Hey, you've got to get your guys out of here, okay? We're not going to go on your shit, but this is not, this is going to get bad if this doesn't happen or whatever. And then him actually telling the boys, nah, we're not

doing that. I appreciate the fact that there was seemingly a little bit of an understanding like, hey, we were supposed to win this one. All right, now we know it's the first time we've won this particular game, but we were supposed to win this one in our minds, in the national coverages, everybody's eyes we're supposed to win this one. But

Brutis, maybe I'd one of the greatest mascot performances of all times. What a photo, what a situation. He's standing on his head during game day. Okay, that was... That was sweet. That was nuts. Pretty good.

He's a Buckeye. Pretty good. But, AJ, I was happy for the state of Ohio. I was happy for the boys to get a chance to experience happiness in this particular rivalry. And I thought about you out there, bud. I really did. I really, yeah, they had to do that.

In khakis, too, shout to hardball. I mean, just the whole thing. Really, really good. Age, I thought about you guys, dude. Happy for you, genuinely. Yeah, it was awesome. I thought even how it played out was great for Ohio State and moving forward. First off, AQ, is FaceTime me right now.

I'm not sure if he knows him on the show or what's going on, but he's FaceTiming my computer as we speak. I think we think about answering that. Can I just let me end and accept, I guess. But I thought for Ohio State how they played in like getting down early, throwing the pick, early, getting like, hey, they haven't really been in that situation this year when things are really up against it,

People could panic and think, oh, no, what are we going to do? Is this going to happen again? And they just stayed calm, figured it out. Obviously, their defense is awesome the whole time. And then just pounded the rock the whole second half. It was great vibes, obviously, in that stadium. Cold is hell, man. Cold is hell.

And, you know, Michigan, Fox Sports is basically an entire Michigan lineup. You know what I mean? So going up there is college game day is certainly fascinating, you know, because the drive and the train. So we get to see, I get to see a lot. I'm driving around the neighborhood to get. get to the stadium from where set is to get to and kind of through it all, it's such a cool thing that this happens. You know, like it is, I talked about the beginning of college game day. Robbery weekend is like what college football is at its absolute best. Like this, the passion,

the actual genuine emotion and happiness or absolute misery that comes from the outcome of these games, and that's been happening for generations and generations is what makes college football so damn special. So it was awesome to be a part of. Now, With all that passion comes from drama and controversy. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now as a guy who is sleeping on Lane Kiffin's cot this weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who deserves every award that you could possibly give to an investigative journalist,

a pundit, maybe if there's a hair model too. For sure. And also a man who's just cool as hell. Ladies and gentlemen, Marty, Marty, how you doing, Bub? Gentlemen, good afternoon. I hope you're well. It's always great to spend time with you. And I'm not even sure what the hell my name is.

I don't know where I am. Of course. The me, I just want to say this to America and beyond. The memes were incredible entertainment throughout the entire soiree. So thank all of you who understand AI. I do not. I have no idea what it is or how it works, but it kept me and the boys very well entertained throughout Saturday and Sunday. I love that the internet was your tag team partner.

through this because, boy, we are following your every step. You're in your hotel room talking about it. You were in the facility talking about it. You're in an FBO talking about it. You're pushing back meetings. You were saying there was a meeting now. It's been pushed back. Yet again. Meetings. That's a fact, Jack. Yeah, yet again. So we appreciate you following it. Biggest story, obviously, in college ball right now. There's so many things that could be talked about on the field, but obviously Lane Kiffin potentially leaving his school in the middle of the best run that they've ever had and going to a rival school before the college football playoff became the story that captivated almost the entire thing. There was a lot of, you know, exposure, I think,

to the flawed CFB calendar on when the transfer portal is, when the recruiting deadline is, when teams can go when the playoffs are. So I think there's going to be some changes made from this entire scene, but we didn't get any of the changes for this particular situation. How would you describe what you experienced in basically the Lane Kiffin situation as a whole from your perspective embedded in the middle of it, basically, over the last 48 hours? I've tried to drill down on that, Pat. I've tried to think really intentionally about everything we just experienced, because Lane is an enigma. He's such a unique personality, and I would venture to say, having been around him a lot,

the personality that you see on social media is not always indicative of the person that he is when you're having a conversation with him. And, you know, on social media, he's very flamboyant and boisterous and controversial and polarizing. But when you're talking to him one-on-one, he's much quieter and more introspective. And so going into this thing with all of the growing groundswell of what is his decision going to be, the fact that Keith Carter, the athletics, director at Ole Miss basically gave him an ultimatum.

All right, it's going to be Saturday. I've got to know Saturday after the Egg Bowl. So I'm commissioned to go cover the Egg Bowl as part of the broadcast and try to give some semblance of insight during the game, not just about the decision itself, but the person making the decision, who again is a very complex man. and then the egg bowl ends and I go over to Oxford and then it got really interesting because there was this information coming in that the two sides were not agreeing and the main crux of that was as millions of you know he wanted to coach this football team and then

there was some back and forth about if he does take the LSU job, who goes with him that's on the current staff at Ole Miss. And those were major sticking points. Those were, there was a lot of tense conversations around that between Keith Carter and Lane Kiffin. And then we show up Saturday morning. we do all of the shows and college game day

and we're trying to give some insight and I talked to Lane for quite a while Saturday morning and he gave me what he could and then we waited and waited waited and waited and waited. I mean we didn't leave there until

I don't honestly I don't even remember what time it was I want to say midnightish central if I'm I think something like that we were there 18 something hours and with no resolution And I don't know if you guys saw the clip from SEC Network. I mean, I texted him in the 8 o'clock hour around 8, 45, or 6, and I'm like, bro, is there going to be a resolution tonight?

Please, God, in heaven, tell me yes. People are putting AI on the Internet where I look like a damn cryptkeeper. We got to do better now. We've got to figure this out. So, you know, then, brother, you wake up Sunday morning and you just, and you, and you still don't know. And I'll tell you, I think the only story that I've covered that was this type of news that might have been a little weirder was when Scotty Sheffler got arrested at Valhalla, which by the way, they should have engraved an Emmy and handed it to Jeff Darlington

immediately. That was the most brilliant reporting I've ever seen. And then I chased him down to the tarmac and interviewed him last evening. Yeah, you chasing them down to the tarmac is obviously special because Lane Kiffin starts it with, hey, I really like the way you ran through. I assume you had to jump through some stuff, hide behind some stuff. Oh, buddy. Let me tell you guys this story. This is a hell of a story.

Yes. So, all right, the Ole Miss meeting ends. A player comes out and yells, it's the Pete Golding era. So we're all like, oh, hell, okay. They've made Pete Golding. Is he the interim? Is he the full time? What are we doing here?

so we're all working our phones trying to figure that out and then I get a text from Lane and he goes I'll do your interview right now I'm like awesome where when I'll do it we'll go to your house we'll go to the moon we'll go to the airport and there had been a lot of a lot of information coming in that two LSU planes were landing at the Oxford airport in just an hour or so hour or 90 minutes and I was still waiting to get this information from him on when we might do this. Nothing. Crickets. So I look at my guys and I'm like, boys, we're going to airport. Like my journalism antenna went up. I'm like, we're going to airport. So we go to the airport and we wait and we wait and it was cold as hell. Cold cold. And then I get a note from him and he's like, we're on the way. Well, I knew, you know, all of you guys are big private jet guys. So I know you guys know this. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh, whoa. Don't get away. They are. It is very nice. It is very nice. I knew that given the scene, which was Bedlam, I mean, the people showed out at the Oxford Airport, ready to tell my man Kiffin that he's number one. Thank you. Yeah.

And I knew they were going to drive him straight on to the tarmac. So I'm trying to figure out how to get on the tarmac when I know that's against the Oh, you can't just walk out there. So I'm like, dude, where are they taking you? So he tells me this area, right? Not going to disclose the area, but I did know that it wasn't where I was. So I yell at my crew. I'm like, come on, boys, let's go.

And I had been given at the Birmingham Airport Thanksgiving Airport, Thanksgiving night, this conversion van. Now, y'all, this ain't no minivan. This is like a 16 person. Oh, yeah. It's like driving a loaf of bread. And I'm going to tell you something now, I've been getting my balls busted constantly about that by everybody in the world for driving that loaf of bread. But you know what? God is so good. Yes, he is.

If I didn't have that van in that chaotic moment where we're running to get Lane Kiffin, there's no way I can fit my whole crew, all the cameras, all the gear in one vehicle. But I had the loaf of bread, all right? So we all getting a loaf of bread. And Lane is basically giving me the play-by-play on where he is, and I'm wheeling this van. That's right. And we take a left. And when we take a left off this highway, there is all these fire trucks that have blocked off the road. There's firemen blocking a road.

Well, I said to hell with it. We're Bo Dukin this thing. Hell yeah. So there's a field that I drove around the barricade through all of this farm equipment. The van's bottoming out. We're bombing this thing through ditches over the hill and through the woods to this road. And then I matted this van all the way up on top of the hill to the tarmac area. And there he stood, laughing his ass up.

So he saw the whole thing. And he's on the phone and he's like, bro, you really are, Scooby. do. This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. But I give him a lot of credit, man. Like I, you know, when I got out of the van and the boys piled out, with shout out to my crew, world class, Luis and the boys killed it. All right. This is a chaotic moment where this man is going through a lot of emotion here, all right?

He has made the decision to leave a team that he's led to the greatest season ever first time in 132 years of old miss rebel football that they have 11 regular season wins they're going to host a college playoff game it is the greatest era in the history of the program and he's chosen to go to the enemy yeah so you know you i asked him every question that i felt was pertinent in that moment all the way down to what does lSU offer you that old miss doesn't and i give him a lot of credit because he said, I don't know that yet. It may not be the right decision.

We'll find out. But, you know, I think he said the job. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it was basically like, let's go prove this right. Yes. Something to that effect. And so he answered the questions as best he could. And it was a, it wasn't kumbaya over there in Oxford. It was a contentious thing.

Yeah. And a van, a sprinter van, a conversion van. van was just rolling through, you know, fields to get up here. I mean, you got chaos over here. You got people chanting telling you your number one over here. You got the internet exploding. You got, I assume, some sort of escort. Then you have a conversion van with fire trucks.

There wasn't no escort. Hell no. For him. Oh, yeah, you're right. There's no escort. How did he get on the- Oh, for him there were. I'm sorry.

I thought you meant for us. He had, oh, yeah, he had legions of law enforcement. Which is interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah. Professionals. that is yeah they're still doing their job yeah yeah yeah yeah like you like quitting on the team all right now we got some questions about the meeting because

there's stuff coming out and I don't know how much you know and how much you can tell Debutt has a question for you yeah I know you've been around the game for a long long time so it's kind of a two-part of how often there's something like this happening is there any truth to the the plane ultimatum to the staff like hey if you don't meet me on this plane your job's not going to be there we're also out of report from on three sports How much truth was that to that with Lane? All I can tell you, brother, is what he told me last night before he boarded that plane to Baton Rouge because I actually asked him that exact question.

How much of it being held up this long was due to your desire to take staff members from your offense? And by the way, I got home in the middle of the night and my wife goes, the first time you asked that question, it made no sense. And Lane even went, huh? So I had to clarify the question. So sorry, I was tired. He said to me, Darius, he said to me, there was never any ultimatums. All right?

That's what he said to me. So that is what I can tell you. I haven't been told by anybody inside Ole Miss that there was. So all I can do is tell you what Lane told me. that's his side all right um a lot of guys went you know i'm i'm keeping tabs on who went with him charlie weiss went the guy that is you know calling the plays of lane's masterful offensive scheme um his strength coach went his GM went so you're talking about key personnel oh yeah which then leads to which then leads to the you know the clause of the college football

a playoff, the fourth clause that says missing key components of your team that you had in the regular season, and whether it was players like we had with the Florida State situation a few years back, and it says coaches as well. Coach Golding becomes the head coach. Good luck to him. Pulling for him, obviously. Great man. He's a great man. I felt like everybody loved him, and he did have Connor pointed out on his ex account, but he did have the Southern All right, you know, a lot of affirmation talking, which is very positive. And it felt like the boys liked them, the standing ovation. And Mr. Butler here, you know, the AD, he's obviously in the middle of this entire story as well

because allegedly he was the one that was kind of talking to the team and talking to Lane about what he can do, what he can't do. I think Lane said to you, you know, like some national media maybe think it's okay for me to coach my team or whatever. He has to live here, though. He's the AD, so he views it a little bit differently. It was hard for me to ever see them letting him coach his team. And I understood, like, a lot of people,

I haven't been around college football or in the weeds of college football as long as others have. Obviously, it felt like every OG college football person that I heard speak on it was like he has to LSU because they don't even have a coach right now and they have a better recruiting class than Ole Miss has rating. So they'll have 10-5-star. This is the number one recruit in the country. As soon as he landed.

Lamar, I believe, is his name. And I read through his Twitter account. and this kid, he committed to LSU. He said he wants to be known as the greatest tiger of all time. Like, that's what he wants to be known as the greatest tiger of all time, which goes to exactly what all the OGs of college football have been saying. It's like every recruiting class, you're going to have at least 10, five stars, at least 10, just because they want to be an LSU tiger.

So, like, that makes your life a lot easier is what all these OGs around there are saying. And in my eyes, I'm like, well, in the modern world, do you need that? Especially with how great you are in the transfer portal. And if you have the money to back it, and you've built some. something so good, and you're on a playoff. This is the greatest year you've ever had. Maybe enjoy your greatest year you've ever had, and there'll be more jobs in the future. That's exactly what it seemed like all the OGs were saying. The OGs were like, no, but they should love him coach his team, because he's a good coach, so they should enjoy this entire

moment. It's like, yeah, but what about the transfer portal? What about the recruiting, the signing day? Like, there's so many things that are all happening at the same time. I don't know if LSU would have wanted him coaching at Ole Miss if push came to shove, like if they really wanted him to do that. So that just never seemed like a reality-type-based opinion in my eyes, but I don't know the game is better as much as everybody else. It just goes back to the complexity of all of this, too. First of all, when all of this first started to gain steam, maybe a month ago or so, something like that, that he would, right after, you know, B.K. got fired, Lane Kiff and the guy, all right? And my opinion at that point was, okay, let's look at the personal

piece of this. This is a man who genuinely changed his life in Oxford, Mississippi. What began, and I'll back up and just tell you kind of how he described it to me, he told me when Ole Miss won the Outback Bowl in 2021, he looked at the victory photos from that wind. And he said, man, I was so fat. I looked like one of them anaconda snakes that gets the food caught in his throat. And he said, I know I have to make change in my life. So what began as no red meat, no sugar, turned into sobriety. And with sobriety for him came tremendous fulfillment and emotional clarity. All right. So what comes from that? The human condition says, when you have that fulfillment and emotional clarity, there's peace in your soul. And I don't care

who you are. There's no monetary value that supersedes that. Now, it's easy for me to sit here and say that. I'm not the guy that's got, what, $90 or $100 million staring at me, all those five stars and all that tradition. All right. So that was my initial perspective on why I thought he should stay at Ole Miss. Well, then you start to think about, okay, he's talking to Coach Savin, who loved LSU, loved it, and had he never left there, probably.

It's full of rings, probably, right? All right, and he's talking to Pete Carroll, and did I just, are you guys still got me? I looked like a robot, right? Yeah, you're good. This is good. It's kind of artsy, though. We'll say it's shot like Oppenheimer, you know,

I put a film on there. Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's good. What a kid filters. If he would have never left LSU, though, a bunch of rings down there, you're saying. He loved it. He took temptation in the league as opposed to staying there, you're saying. I see it as the prospect of potential being higher at LSU than at Ole Miss.

And that's me speaking for him. So then he tells me last night, all right, I talked to. Pete Carroll, who said to me, your dad would tell you to take this job. Your dad would tell you to take this shot. And I think he said it well after the Egg Bowl win. This isn't such an incredible opportunity to be wanted by LSU and retained at Ole Miss, where you've built this amazing thing. But that doesn't mean it's not a hard decision.

It's a really hard decision. because as he told me last night, like he loves Oxford. And the people down there, you know, they have every right to be upset, every right. That's a great fan base, man. And to be in this moment where you feel like you have this lightning in a bottle with Trinidad playing so well with just their offense is incredible, Pete had the defense playing at a high level. and now he's going to be the man that's leading him into the college football playoff.

Yeah, and who knows how much are going to be docked. Yeah, like that is the – it's really scary to think about it. And I understand the anger coming from the Ole Miss fans. And, you know, who knows if any other jobs would have been available down the road after they figure out the whole CFP calendar? Lane having to be the one, you know, that kind of has to take this head on as wild. You see any changes coming? Has there been any chatter you think about that that you've been hearing?

Obviously, you talked to both sides in this situation. yeah in terms of the calendar yeah how do they change yeah what do you think i i don't know but this is an opinion this is not a report okay journalists hat off you look at pundit hat on i think i think you look at this and when you have people like coach sabin who has been you know sitting right beside you patty on college game day being adamant that this is a broken calendar and nobody knows what he's talking about more than coach does, all right? And then I've seen folks like David Pollock, who I respect his opinion to the most esteemed level, having that opinion.

I think that it will definitely, I will say it should. I think it should be looked at. Now, I will say this to you, too. I've had conversations with other coaches in the last, what time is it? 130 Eastern. Whenever I was hauling ass from Oxford to the Memphis airport last night to try to get home, I talked to a couple of sitting head coaches that were not in a position where their job was changing. Their opinion was that only affects 10 or 12 universities a year.

And for those of those coaches that are entrenched, this current calendar gives them the opportunity, to know exactly who their team is when they get to spring practice and then when they get to June and beyond, which I found to be interesting because I'll be honest, I was a little ignorant why this was such a huge deal. That's why I had these conversations with these coaches. Yeah, it's fascinating because that number is going to far outnumber the group that is worried about it every single time. So whenever push comes to shove, whose vote matters? This is NFLPA stuff. Yeah. NFLPA stuff. The only reason why I'm comparing that is because you hear like a lot of the OGs, the guys who make all the money.

Well, the majority of the players are like the bottom, you know, two-thirds of the roster that are kind of on turnover. So the NFLPA almost like takes their side on things, and all the OGs are like, excuse me, this is not how this actually goes, but it's better for the majority. The majority of these college football teams are like, yeah, we would like more time with our team to get into training camp to get into the season. But that's why there's a pitch of, I think, like, some are leading into training camp for everybody, but who knows who will outnumber who in the vote.

If I were, whoever makes that decision, is that the NC, who makes that decision, NCAA? Good question. I don't know that answer. That's a problem. That's a problem. Yeah. But whoever that is, okay, whoever that group of people is, they should get in a room with Nick Sabin, with Matt Brown, with these guys, there you see on the screen. I just thought that was well said by coach, right?

And so it needs to be resolved where this doesn't happen again, at least in my estimation, because you put so many schools in a unique situation, all right? Everybody was waiting on Lane. Florida was waiting on Lane, LSU was waiting on Lane, Ole Miss was waiting on Lane, Auburn, all these schools were waiting to see who did what. and thereby what coaches were available for them to hire. And as the, you saw, as the lane to LSU narrative got stronger and stronger and stronger to the point that all of us who were trying to break this story,

realized that, okay, he's going to LSU. That's when all the dominoes started to fall, right? Silverfield goes to Arkansas. Sumrah goes to Florida. What am I forgetting here? West. The West. which goes to Auburn, on and on, right?

Jim Morrow. And it all happened just like- Jim Mora, Colorado State. Yeah, Jim Mora, Colorado State happened before all this happened. Turns out that was out of the conversation. I'm not sure that that was really part of this equation. Oh, really? Sure.

That's been a big comment. That's crazy. All right, Marty, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for covering it all, and thank you for giving us the inside scoop on how it all went down from your perspective. The two helmets over your shoulders, class. That's why you're award-winning. Driving the van through fields over,

I used my NASCAR experience, man. I just said, you know what, boys? What's the line about? What would they'll do? Oh, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Would have made the intimidatingator proud. Yeah, you certainly would.

America. Three forever, baby. Let's go. Love you, boys. Your first class. I love all of you. You do, ladies are Jam and Morris Smith. Yeah, Marty.

AJ, your takeaway from that conversation with Marty right there. I mean, I think we all thought that Lane was gone from the jump. I guess we said a lot. I don't know what you were thinking. You speak to him more than any of us, but I thought he was definitely leaving. I thought it played out a little longer than I thought. I thought we'd have a little more clarity earlier on.

But also, like, did Ole Miss, were they willing to match his contract that he got from LSU? I don't know. That's all the information that I assume will kind of unfold or we'll kind of discover here over the next couple days or weeks as we lead up. We assume that it was all pretty similar, which is why it probably took so. long to kind of get everything done because if it wasn't, I think that would be leaked immediately.

Like, LSU has far out bid, Ole Miss, which is exactly the story of why you go to LSU as opposed to Ole Miss. That was never really a part of the stories that are being talked about, not that I know. And I think to your point, I was kind of hoping he would just stay at Ole Miss, I was hoping, I was hoping for one thing with everybody in the college football world telling me that another thing was going to happen. Yeah. So like everybody, everybody that I knew in the college football world that I like, hey, quick question, why is, why is this happen? Because, you know, these people 30, 40 years literally entrenched in it deep, deep, deep. Why are 50 years actually some of them? Why is this being talked about the way it is? And then it's just like a bang, bam, boom, boom. And then

there's like, here's an example of somebody sticking around whenever their coaching window was hot and they decided not to kind of strike when the iron was hot. This is what they ended up having happened to them. This is this. This is this. And they're already saying this about him. If he was to lose a game, think about all that all the drive. So it's like they start laying out just like throughout the history of college ball. This is a move that is made by a coach

in Lane Kiffin's world. But I was just hoping because it's a different college football now. You know, it's more of a business. It's more of like a builder team through transfer portal and he's been great at that. And he's so close with this thing. Coach Saban talks about that a lot on the show when he comes on on Friday. Like it's not like the regional situation to where

hey, if you grew up a certain place, you're going to this school. Like now it's I think it's much more national recruiting as far as like obviously transfer portal and NIL like guys aren't as tied I think to their like hometown school and I don't want to take a shot at Oregon high school football okay we think Oregon's

going to be good right? Yeah that's good that's part of it though I know it is a different landscape and we're still kind of early into it but who has been the last 10 national champions like what team like we have

good stories we have teams that go runs, but Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, like it's the destination jobs. How many destination jobs are there, D-But, you know, like where you wouldn't leave? Yeah. Like, there's only so many destination jobs where it's like, hey, you can't get pride away from a bigger school.

Yeah, so I saw an argument saying like, hey, you could be the only coach that did this or the first coach that did this at Ole Miss as opposed to the fourth or fifth coach that had a great run at LSU. But if you're a coach, you have that opportunity to coach at the highest level. most coaches they want to coach the best players like you coach in the NFL you're going to get an opportunity to coach the best players in a draft free agency in college you don't necessarily have that chance at every place yeah Texas Tech Oregon like all these places you're going to have opportunity but if you go Ohio State like you're going to get that chance you go to LSU you go to some of these universe like LSU is not only that you're in Louisiana but you're also the big dog in Louisiana like there is no other competition if you're in Florida if you're in Miami you got to do a Florida State you got to do a Florida like I You got to do that every year. If you're in LSU, you are the big dog in the hotbed. Like, you're going to have the resources of support.

Like, it's just tough not to do that. And that kid, number one recruits, I want to be the best tiger of all time. Like, since he's a coach, I don't care who's the coach. I would like to be the best tiger of all time. I guess what the OGs of college football say, it's a lot easier to sleep at night whenever you know that, like, you're going to get recruits that are very, very good strictly because of their love of LSU or their family or their neighborhood

or the community, wherever they're from, is just an LSU community as opposed to at Ole Miss or maybe any other job that's out there. That might be like one of the biggest perks of LSU is like a loyalty to being a tiger and everything like that. So if you listen to the OGs of college football talk,

they say this was going to happen. You know, life gets better. If the money is the same, your recruiting is going to be better. But it's like, it would have been sweet if Lane would have been so, sweet. That would have been a cool... And not have everyone hate you again. Yeah. Yeah. And also, what if you win?

Yeah, but it would have been sweet to win, but what if he loses like three out of the first seven next year? And then you're like, okay, man, you're going to OSU. He has to win multiple national championships at LSU to separate himself. Because like, sure, he can go and win one. How quick, too? But a lot of guys have already done that. And then look what happens to guys once they leave LSU. Is Coach O doing anything? Nope. Bless Miles. He's not doing it. Brian Kelly's never going to coach again. because of how it went at LSU. Like, we're talking about, hey, you win a national championship here,

immortalized Ole Miss. LSU, you win a national championship. Yeah, you're supposed to. They were saying, there were fans at the FBI when he landed in LSU saying, sure, we're never going to lose again. Like, if they lose a game, people are going to lose their minds. Yeah, that's the pressure coming with one of those jobs that you talk about. And the LSU plays at Ole Miss, and, you know, Lane is already posted on his IG story,

some popcorn. I'm sure that is going to be electrifying, just like whenever you went back into Tennessee as the head coach of Ole Miss. Crazy stuff. Ole Miss feels like they got their guy in Golding. Feels like they're fully committed, which is awesome. And they have a shot at the college football playoff

and doing something special that they've never done there before. Now, let's go to some overreaction, shall we? Ladies and gentlemen, this is what these Mondays are all about. Hearing from the fans about how they feel about their respective teams. I put out a tweet, you know, on Monday mornings. I say, good morning, beautiful people. We've arrived at another fantastic over. reaction Monday. I would like to hear your thoughts. Go ahead and use the hashtag. I don't want to

overreact. But. And let it out. And the best ones will make the show. This first one is about Lane Kiffin. This is from Chase at Chase on X. You can find me on X. I'm Chase. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact. But Lane State University is returning to the pinnacle of college football. Somebody get Coach Kiffin, a purple visor ASAP, because this amount of Louisiana is unheard of in the state with the lot of stadium in the country and five stars falling out of trees. Lane Kiffin could become the student who surpasses his master, Nick Sabin. Hashtag lane train. Hashtag suck that TDB.

They're loving it down there at LSU. Now that's the opposite side of the coin, AJ. You know, we see the middle fingers flying and to get the hell out of here. Then we see him laying down there, DAP up, and then he's driving outside. And they're like, welcome home. Welcome home down there. That's college football. to a T, but it kind of goes to what we're saying.

They're going to be expecting to win a lot quickly, A.J. Yeah, that's what I asked her. Like, how quickly does he have to at least get to the national championship game? Like, early on, we know that. But that's the thing. Like, you want the biggest job. He understands what he's signing up for. He understands the deal.

And even though I heard, I don't know if it's true or not that his buyout might be bigger or as big as Brian Kelly's. I mean, that's an interesting situation there with all they have going on. But yeah, you've got to win. You've got to win every single game, pretty much. Well, Governor Jeff Landry didn't know that Lane Piffin was potential available. We don't know if we're going to be available? This will never happen again.

We're doing incentive base. The reason why you get any job because you're so good, well, we'll prove it. We'll give you all money in the world you're able to win the games. Have we seen the details? Well, Jimmy Sexton's on that deal, so let's just, I've seen that, yeah. I think it's safe to assume those things. I think we know. You trust Jimmy going into that negotiation?

I think Jimmy Sexton should go down is one of the greatest businessman in the history of America, I would say. Big good looks. It's incentive base. A million dollars per win. I think that's what it is. Well, he's also getting money. I believe there's been reports, and that would be Jimmy Section football.

You're picking up Ole Miss football team, right? And then we're, well, if that Old Miss football team wins, but they're not. Thank you. That's incentive base. That's my team. That's why the bio. Yeah, he's still the head coach at Ole Miss football on X, although he's changed his entire thing.

I mean, what a fascinating situation. And the Big Deluxe is going to get to the bottom of it, for sure. No questions asked. His name's getting mentioned a lot. Yeah. His name's getting mentioned a lot. lot. I want to let you know, should he is. Yeah, he's that dude.

He's good at his job. He's an absolute dog. You know, there were some reports going on about how Jimmy Sexton would never let one of his clients go to LSU because of what's happening between Brian Kelly and LSU. And Brian Kelly is not repped by Jimmy Sexton, even though he was initially referred to as if he was his particular agent. Jimmy Sexton represents a lot of coaches and play every, Jimmy Sexton is an absolute beast. He is a monster in a college football world. But the conversation was basically like, hey, this next deal is not going to be whatever. It's not going to be whatever.

And Jimmy Sexton goes in there and says, yeah, you, if you'd like to win, that's how it's going to be. And Jimmy Sexton said that that situation with Brian Kelly and the lawsuit and everything like that, this is me speaking, not Jimmy Sexton speaking. Jimmy Sexton would never let that get to that point. No. That thing would have been. All right, let's go. All right, a, a, a, a, let's go. We all got business to take to.

Because Jimmy Sexton is going to do business with these schools. Like, he's going to do business. well, this is how these agents work. People are just finding out that some agents who are very, very, very, very good represent a lot of people in a similar field. It's like, it's not just college football where this is happening. There's weapons in a lot of different worlds that are kind of moving and shaken. And they got the backup, too, you know?

And that's a different process. Now it's a whole different conversation in there. And, you know, you do everything right for the client and all that. But Jimmy Sexton's a weapon. And I would assume him and Jeff Landry, I hope they filmed that. I hope they filmed that. I hope. Because how many gay to hunts do you think Governor Jeff Landry offered up? I'll give you three gait of hunts.

That's a lot of gait of hunt. Imagine Governor Jeff Landry in that yoga. He's going to find a yoga class for Lane. Can you imagine him? He's going to be there with him. I want to mock live tiger on the sideline. And Lane, you want a tiger? Absolutely.

Lane might ride out on a time. For sure. I still wish you would have stayed a little miss. For sure. Just another. I mean, you're this close right now. I mean, it is crazy that they're about to go into the playoffs and, like, their entire offensive status is gone.

Like, it's insane. Well, and also, it's insane that this decision had to be made. Is Winnidad a call in place? I mean, maybe. I mean, their strength coach left, too. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they've got a backup strength. Three sets of 12.

Yeah, yeah. Next guy. Next man. Winidad and Lacey, too, like, I mean, maybe it's just me, but I'm assuming they're on the first thing smoking once this season's over. Where? To LSU. Like, what are we talking about?

If they like Lane still. like they yeah reports were that i guess it was not great you know with the way it all ex because he didn't talk to the team but then there was reports he was told not to the team crazy situation let's go to another overreaction shall we around the football world this one's from uh nick marauda hashtag i don't want to overreact but these are my talk choices for an ex-head coach at pittsburgh steeler's top left there a man who won a gold medal with a broken freaking neck from mount lebanon in pittsburgh curt angle okay and he obviously relies on the three eyes. Intensity, integrity, and intelligence. Three things we don't have right now.

Whoa. All right. Sign me up. Okay. And he would wear, obviously, the singlet every single week. And he is still that jacked. Okay, that is Kurt Engel football. Dan Rolovsky, top right corner. It does appear this AI. I don't know how accurate. That's who you were talking about there, coach Dan O. Yeah, Dan puts his name out there for any other job, so I might as well just throw him in there, too. How do you think him in Pittsburgh would do? Pretty good? Oh, we'd love him. He's so smart. All the X's nose, he'd bring the eye candy, the innovative offense that we've been craving. Same way he said yesterday, even though he shouldn't, he would take Pittsburgh ease over in a second.

Yeah, and maybe we'd hear yesterday coming out of his mind because he'd try to be Pittsburgh. So maybe that would be good for society, but also he knows. Dano knows. You know who else knows? Debo. Is that an actual photo of him? It probably is, right? Yeah, actually, I asked AI to make him more jacked.

This is the second or third draft because it just didn't do him justice in the first one. So he told him, hey, you've got to beef us up a little bit. He'll be jacked forever. And speaking of forever, Snoop Dog, he's going to live forever and be famous forever. Loves Pittsburgh Steelers. He has a bunch of baby snoops that have come through his league who are now in the NFL. Pipeline. I think he's actually a coach, an actual football coach.

Not bad there. Nobody's really thinking of Snoop Dog to be the next coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers if they were able to move or were moving on. Good point. He can connect the older generation of fans with this young talent that he can relate to. That's right. The young talent is what we're looking for, aren't we? Pittsburgh Steelers.

I hadn't thought about Debo. It can all do different. It's so bad. Dano, offense. I'm put Debo on my list. Debo, defense. Well, it's Kurt, too. Kurt's leading.

That's strength condition all day. And Snoop kind of. Vibes. Head coach. I guess the head coach, yeah, I told you right there. Well, he was streets ahead, too. You remember a couple years ago, he was basically like, Todd Haley fucking sucks.

Get this guy out of here. I remember Snoop doing that, like, week in, week out. So this is, you know, this is nothing new for Snoop. He's ready to opt in there. Your voice there kind of reminded me somebody. You did forget somebody on there. I love. Yeah, good call. Everybody's talking about

Juco champion. Everybody's talking about it. It's certainly been brought up a couple times in the office. Hope you're good, man. Always fighting. All right, let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This one is from Farquad, pirate cane.

Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but Bryce Young just carved up the Rams like a Thanksgiving turkey. And now the only thing getting stuck this holiday season is the rest of the NFC South. Bryce is up son hashtag keep pounding this Carolina Panthers team's real good football team AJ that's not overreaction

they're good football team down there in the NFC South yeah don't you think people I mean I think this went over the Rams obviously maybe solidified that a little bit to where people will take them seriously I mean I think their defense we know what they were able to do and Bryce Young I mean I think he continues to like defy

everyone just assumes like I don't know because he got benched for a little while because he's not as big as these other dudes that maybe he's not as good, but man, he absolutely performed, especially when it matters. Like, he's not scared of the moment. What do you think sealing is this season, D-But for this Carolina Panthers team? And what do you think they're thinking going into next year? They're thinking of it all, right?

I think that is where the Carolina Panthers' fans' mindsets are at. Yeah, you got, I mean, the fan base, you got a new regime there pretty much. You got a young quarterback who's playing himself into another contract for sure, so he's going to be the guy. It's still week to week. It's still such a young team, but they're finding. ways to win. But every week we go into the game, we don't know what Carolina team we're going to get. And then everybody was crowning the Rams going on this one. And they're missing Morrick, who got suspended, Mr. J.C., who got banged up. So for him to come out and get the

home crowd was in it for Team Mac making big plays. You talked about Bryce Young making big plays in the biggest moment. Like, there was some big fourth downs where Coker. He hit Coker deep. He hit McMillan Deep. Like making big time plays, you know, dropping his nuts at the biggest moments in the game. That's what you want to see. your young quarterback and then the other guys Derek Brown right there with the game saving strips act and this is one of those big dots right here on the big down the distance right across the middle of field this is what you want to see from your quarterback making big time plays in high leverage situations weather was shitty it was like all those different things that's when

you kind of find out who you are as a team the panthers are good football team they have a chance to be a good football team they can win the playoff game this year they have a chance to be great okay playoff right they can win the playoff game this year well I think that is why people still don't know because it's fresh in your mind like a couple weeks ago when they get beat 40 to 9 to the bills. And it's just like, these guys are so unserious. They suck. And then they turn around and beat the Packers at Lambo. And then they're just coming off that Monday night where it's like, how many opportunities did.

And, you know, the Niners didn't play great. But like the ran, it's just like, okay, the Panthers are, they're a year or two away. And then they turn around and beat the Rams. So it's, it is, it's tough. It's up in the air every week. But if they start to put things together a little bit, I think you are thinking next year for sure. We're the best team in the NFC South. I'm happy for the Carolina

Panthers fans. They've been through a lot on her. They've been through a lot down there. Both the MLS team, the NFL team. People forget how bad it got, I think, for a while. It was bad. So bad. Two dollar tickets.

I think they were actually paying people. Homeless people were going and then they were worried they were going to have to pay taxes on how much they were getting paid to go to those games. That's what the homeless people worried about. They said, how do I, like, I go to H&R block here. What happens? Stop the construction halfway through.

Oh, my God. They bankrupted at a ton. Yeah. Rice got that is. Andy Dalton. Third day night football game against the Falcons where it was just downpourn.

I think the final score is like six, three or three nothing. Everyone was just like, you know what? Enough of it. And then that store has the sign that you can change their words on it. It basically says, yeah, David Teperee, his ass cheeks, bro.

He walks in. Who's doing that? Who has the thing? That's me. Smacks his hat on. Bitch. Turns around and leaves. Bryce Young with his gigantic backpack.

Oh, my God. He looked like he was in ninth, tenth, that was the low point. Steven talking about how sweet it was because they had a golf simulator and didn't really mention anything else. He was just like, we have a golf simulator here. On that note, he has requested his release

and it has been granted. He has now been released from the Minnesota Vikings. Carolina Panthers picked up a couple draft picks. Everything's kind of going into Carolina Panthers. It is. No golf sim in Minnesota. We'd like to say, congratulations. They might.

We don't know if anybody's playing. And it doesn't seem like there are any happiness over there right now. Congratulations, Carolina, Panthers. Panthers are 6-0 against the spread after a loss, four and two straight up. They are a good bounceback team. And but after a win? Not good. Oh, no.

That's the thing. They can't handle success. They're still kind of learning. That's why next year should be a real problem. Maybe people talk about them next year, how people were talking about the Broncos going into this year. You know, everybody was kind of expecting the Broncos would be good because what they thought they could be at the end of last season, especially with how good their defenses. It's like Panthers just did some stuff

to Matthew Stafford and the Rams that we had not seen in a long time. And when Sean McVeigh was asked about it afterward, Sean McVeigh was basically like, hey, Carolina Panthers is a good football team. I think they have the two biggest spread outright wins of the season, 13 and a half, that one was nine and a half. It's like this team on the up and right.

Congrats, Carolina, people. All right, let's go to the next overreaction show. This one's from Dustin Hunley at D.H. Sports fan. He likes them all. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact. But. The Colts are done. Oh, no.

It was a fun first two months of the season, but reality is set in, and the lead in the division is gone. Now we have to go to Clientown next week. The battle for the lead, and we all know how that's going to go. Go ahead and hang the first half of the 2025 season, AFC South Division winners banner and be done with it.

Hey, Dustin! Making a lot of valid points. I don't like the way you're turning this entire thing. Colts are in a bat spot. I mean, I'm just going to say it. Now, Houston Texans, as a good football team. Number one defense in the NFL, obviously, they are a good football team. We were supposed to be a great football team, though.

In a past couple of weeks, it hasn't been the case. Jonathan Taylor had a couple electrifying runs, but at the beginning of the season, obviously it was every single time he touched the ball. He was having an electrifying run. Danny Dimes, a big part of his game, even though people don't really want to give him the credit for it, is his mobility ability, and now he has a fractured fibula. Okay. Hair line.

Oh, okay. Shifty, he said heroin. You know, it's fine, heroin. It's just one of the most painful things that you can possibly have, so he's not going to be able to run as much, which is a huge part of it. And our defense, you know, without the Forrest Buckner playing, it's been certainly something. Sauce Gardner is going to be out for the next month.

I mean, it is gloomy days for the Indianapolis Colts. I think we'll be talking to CJ Stroud here in about 10 minutes or so. Can't wait to hear his thoughts on how the Colts are kind of doing. And the new name for the Loud House, which I certainly do not love. With the Colts and where we're at right now, I don't think, like, you can judge them because we don't know what they're going to be. We have no idea what they're going to be. Massive games on their lives. The refs screwed us against the Texans. There's no doubt about that.

Okay, the refs were certainly not on our side. There was a lot of bogus calls. That is the loudest I've ever heard to Loud House all decide that the refs were ass because the refs were ass. And then you get on the Internet, everybody's saying the reps are ass. And J.J. Watt, Houston Texans, Bullring of Honor member, says that was ass. So everybody says that the refs were ass. They certainly were ass.

Okay, so I'm not going to say that that isn't certainly a part of it. But we lose that at Texans. Texans are getting very good right now. Jacksonville Jaguar is playing very good football right now. We lost our last two after winning all of our first ones. It feels like there's a couple different trends happening in the AFC South, and I don't like it. AFC South, it just means more. And right now it feels like we are less and everybody else is more, D, bud.

Yeah, and that's a tough stretch we got there. But, I mean, if you're asking before the season, going in a week four, 14, sitting at 8 and 4. Like, I'm not worried. We're in a good spot. We still got a chance. We control our entire destiny. It's on the quarterback. You know, how healthy is he going to be? With the hair line fracture, you know,

he's fine running straight forward, but the lateral movement is one thing. You got to do that in football every play. But I'm kind of concerned about that. Then the Soss Gardner thing, Shepty basically said he's going to be put on IR, so that's like a playoff return. That's what it sounds like to me. But

maybe we can figure it out. I mean, they're dogs in every single one those games. Well, yeah, that's what we like to be. We like that, okay, especially with how the dogs did this past week. I don't think so. Down there in Jacksonville. Niners Jaggs.

Minas one and a half, you'll be. At this week? Yeah. Wow. Like that, that's what we're talking about in Clon, time going down to Duval. Take on a very good Jacksonville Jaguar's team. The AFC South is a problem. Okay, it is a problem.

And everybody can be in there. We got Jacks twice, Houston Texans, another time. I mean, we'll see how it all goes. All right. I feel like we really hit everything in these first two hours. of the program live here on ESPN. CJ Stroud will be joining us in about 10 minutes or so. He's not joining us.

He is joining us. I'll be joining us about two minutes. Okay. Oh, okay. Nice. Okay, so we'll be talking to CJ Stroud here in about two minutes or so. Okay. This show on ESPN ends in about a minute or so.

We'll also make our picks for tonight, okay? And those picks are going to be good because AJ, seen it right now. AJ's seeing the board right now. Four and two. Okay, on the six games. we picked. Oh, both. So are you.

Oh, how about that? Okay, so we're doing pretty good here, pal. Now, there might have been a chance that... Make you pick now? Make you pick now? AJ, who do you like? Patriots. And P.

I like the Patriots as well. We'll take another tie. I'm okay with it. Commander should have done the same thing. Commander should have done the same thing. You know, they made the right decision for ball, which I certainly appreciate, but I'll do it. And we will continue on ESPN Plus.

YouTube, Disney Plus, X, you name it, TikTok Live. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're back tomorrow. Goodbye. All right, we made our picks. I like what we did. I like what we did here.

What's the line again? Seven and if you're taking the Patriots, seven and a half if you want the Giants. On that note about lines, I believe ESPN bet. Oh, really? So it feels like the king is dead It's like they don't they didn't deserve taps I agree that's why we stopped it and it was not uh that was a hey good effort i guess thank god that sucked no jeez louise i mean

It wasn't great. I mean, it obviously didn't work out well for either party, seemingly, and we'd like to wish everybody good luck in that thing. Good luck, everybody. I hope he'll be able to be seeing green somewhere. Well, we're not greenie will certainly be giving us some more money, okay, with his picks. We know that's not. Bebutt, relax, please. What are you doing? What happened?

I caught me a couple. Seeing green, bro. We are seeing green. Yeah. Always. We appreciate greenie dabbling in the, uh, Sure. They hit a lot of times. Did it?

Come on, man. Is the Utter Guy still going to have specialties on the book? He needs to. Hey, listen, he just signed a new deal, right? Yeah. Gras, Utter Guy. Our guy. Hey, to the Other Book.

Love you, Utter Guy. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who can sleep soundly, knowing that the Ohio State Buckeyes beat that team from up north. Yeah, and also, he came to Indianapolis and beat the team from Indie. Ladies and gentlemen, the starting quarterback for the Houston Texans, a team that can win the AFC South, yet again, C.J. Straub. Yes, CJ! So funny.

How are you doing, dude? Great to see you back on a football field yesterday, man. You felt good to be back out there. It looked like you were spinning the ball just fine. Look like you hadn't lost a fucking thing. You felt really good out there yesterday, CJ? Yeah, felt pretty good. Yeah, I knocked off a little rest, man.

You know, I have fun, but I was just being out there playing, you know, this sport that I loved to play, man. So I had a great time, and, you know, it was good to see you there and, you know, and your colors and everything. So it was fun. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Well, it was a great time to be there. You know, my daughter's first game, she had a blast. She was very excited to go watch this Indianapolis Colts team take on, you know, the A.C. South arrival, Houston, Texans.

And we'll lie to her whenever she's older. She'll say that we won that game. But she'll probably look up the stats and say, C.J. Stroud doesn't really do that in Indianapolis. Let's talk about your team. You obviously coming back was a big part of the storyline. You missed three weeks, right? Was there questions? Like, that felt like a long time.

We were very worried. And I assume you were as well in the entire process. Was there planning for when you would come back? When was that kind of all being talked about? And did you just say immediately, you know what? I'll come back Indianapolis and ruin their lives. Is that a part of it? No, it was really just health precaution.

You know, it's your brain. So, I mean, I'm not going to play around with that and take every precaution and just listen to the doctor. and, you know, our officials here to, you know, get the right, you know, feedback. But it's something that you really can't, like, have a timetable for. Like, if you hurt your wrist or, like, your ankle or something, God forbid, you know, that's a timetable. You can, like, time stamp that with something with your brain, you know,

you got to, like, really just take precaution and making sure that you're, like, fully healthy before you go out there. So, you know, I thought our team did a great job with that. And, you know, I'm just grateful to be back and be healthy. Okay, we're grateful that you're back too. You're a special talent, dude. And while you are out and where your team is at now, you guys are poised to go on a playoff run big time run obviously the defense number one in the league

offensively watching you spin it there's a couple of times you can't see shit i know you can't because where i'm sitting i'm looking right where you're looking hand in face yeah right let me go ahead 30 yards this thing just levitates doesn't even drop right into a dime you're outstanding okay you are absolutely outstanding the offense is awesome as well what is the messaging behind the scenes for you guys everything's available everything's possible nobody's really talking about the Texans at all, I don't think, throughout this entire season. What is your guys' thoughts on how this season can be in where you are right now? Yeah, of course, you know, we didn't start off, you know, the way we wanted to, you know, we lost, you know, five games, you know, in between

one score. But I think, you know, other than, you know, looking down on ourselves about it, you know, it was a positive, you know, to fix some issues. And then we start winning these closed games against these really good teams, you know, we'll be able to, you know, take the next leap to, you know, get to where we want to go and that's the playoffs. And then, you know, go from there. So, you know, I thought, you know, yesterday was a really good start for us, you know, at least for me coming back. And I thought, you know, we answered the bell against a really, you know, really good team with the coach there, you know, who had really good defense and, you know, been playing really well offensively. But like you said, our defense man is, you know,

been, you know, a rock and, you know, just the best in the lead from, you know, I practice against them. So I know how hard it is to go against them. But, yeah, I think, you know, if we can able to be able to play comforting football in all three phases, you know, we're able to win a lot of games you guys get a tough way a tough environment and that's a really good team do you see what they're doing on the internet did you see what they're doing did you see the picture no i'm not on there do you see this i don't like this at all i don't like that's hilarious is it's it's it's called the loud house c j okay it's not the strad house and i don't like that they're doing this this is what's happening on the internet right now you said you're not on the i asked x to delete

it okay just know that i'm trying to clean that up do they do it they do it i don't know if they got around to it yet. I'm not happy about it. But it does feel like you play great football there every time. It's an honor to watch it. And geez, Louise, Houston Texans all the way back. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, CJ, obviously, it's actually about the Stroud House that we just saw this picture. What is it about, like, you seem to play very well inside the confines of Lucas Oil. What is it about that? You have good sight lines, like a good, like what is it? It seems like you just, oh, now, obviously you play well all the time, but whenever you come into the Loud House, as Pat likes to call it, you seem to do, you know, take it to another level.

It's the name of the place. Yeah, I always just say, like, the level of focus, you know, maybe it goes up a little more just because it's a divisional opponent. And, you know, my boy Zaire, you know, he's always mad at me. And he always talking crazy. So maybe turn me up just a little bit. And so I know he's going to hear this and he's going to hate it. But, you know, after the game, we're always cool.

But during it, me and him go at it pretty good. But it's just all the competition. So, you know, I think it turns me up a little bit more and I think, you know, my old line here is it and they want to play harder. So, you know, it's just a division rival, you know, in those games, you know, you're going to be talking back and forth and, you know, having words from one another. And I think maybe that, you know, turns us up. But, yeah, I just try to, you know, just be focused every play, you know, go want to know every play and, you know, take it from there. Yeah. Let's let him sleep, maybe.

We got to play you guys again. We got to play you guys again. It's going to mean a lot. And let's just let C.J. Stroud just go a little bit. You got this moxie about you. You know, you're duck-footed, and you go heel-toe. I was watching you walk because you're right in front of our suite while there was a touchdown happening on the other side.

You got a full set. You're by yourself, you're over there, just having your time. Then O. Lyman comes running over to you. Your walk is just that filled with aura. I mean, you are. You're franchise QB, brother. It is cool to watch you kind of do your thing. Now, let's talk about the quarterback position

and everything that you've gone through this year. Go ahead, Dee Butt. Yeah, on that note, being a franchise QBee, Obviously, you were banged up and you had to kind of watch the game from a different perspective. You used to being out there. What's that relationship like with Davis-Mills? We call him Dougie Mills. But what's the relationship like with him off the field with you guys?

That's my brother, bro. He's been a really great leader for me coming into the league. I thought, you know, coming in, you know, fighting for the same position, you know, he always showed me love still. And I try to do the same. And he's made me better. I feel like I made him better. And, you know, we have our QB dinners that we do, you know, and we had a lot of his wife, you know,

as a really good friend of mine as well. And his family, you know, I meet them, you know, every time they come to the games and stuff. So, you know, that's my brother, man. I always support him, always, you know, root him on. And I just think it's funny that people ask these questions now, just, you know, because he's, you know, had, you know, some really good games.

And, you know, it's something that, like, I root that on. I want, I think he's a start in the NFL, you know, and I think, you know, he's proven that, you know, in these couple games that he's played. So I just think it's funny how people, you know, can try to switch the narrative to make it seem like I'm like some guy that's like, oh, no, like, you know, like...

I saw a photo you in the locker room. They saw a photo you in the locker room. Everybody was happy but you, okay? Everybody was happy, but you. I'm telling you, I've seen it with my own eyes. I'm prime. You can see one photo, but look at the whole thing. No! It's 2025, CJ.

We're not doing that. I saw one. frame. That guy's not happy. They'll concuss, too, in that frame. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about the lights in the entire thing. Yeah, it was a narrative, though. It was a narrative. Yeah, that's all good.

Man, some things in life, you know, I try not to respond, you know, and just let my, you know, let my, you know, private life be my private life. And I thought, you know, me and my teammates, you know, I think they, you know, know how much of a leader I am and how much, you know, having that C on my chest means to me.

And that's not when it's always good for me, you know, and that's when it's good for the team and it's sometimes not great for me, I got to be happy because that's, you know, more important than just my selfish and my, you know, personal desire. So I'll put the team before me any time, man, and if that's, you know, me not playing because, you know, it was a Thursday night game. And I was just super happy that we got the dub. And it helps me out. And I get to play hopefully more ball, you know, as a season goes on.

Yeah, but I saw a photo. Oh, yeah. I don't need to hear you. I'm happy you cleared that up, though. That's good. And Dougie knows that you're happy for him. And that locker room knows that you're happy for him. Feels like you guys have a great culture down there.

On that note, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, CJ, yesterday and throughout this four-game win streak, Jaden Higgins and Woody Marks have really come alive. Two rookies, Nick Casario once again, in his bag. What have you seen from them as the season has gone on, just developing as a wide receiver and a running back and their contributions to the offense during this win streak? Yeah, I always remember my rookie year and, like, being thrown in the fire and kind of just thinking of like time on task.

You know, it's like some things, you know, are better when you just get thrown in the fire, you have to figure it out. And I thought, you know, they've figured it out pretty early. So, you know, Woody has been an anchor, you know, in a running game and, you know, has created a lot of, you know, big, big time running plays for us. And then on top of that, you know, he is out there, you know, and he has a lot on his plate blocking and, you know, running routes. and I thought he's done a great job with that and, you know, clean body language and, you know, it hasn't been overnight. A lot of conversations that I have with those guys, just, you know, being that I was just a rookie, you know, two years ago, you know, just shows that, you know, like I understand, you know, what they're going through. And I think the main thing is, like, confidence, you know, with that being a rookie, you know, is you can keep your confidence, man. It's the same gay we've been playing since we were 10, 11 years old.

It's just, you know, at a different scale. So the confidence that you bring each and every day, you know, and the preparation, you know, all, you know, adds up to you know how you play on sundays i forget who said it but somebody said i was telling people that i was the best in the world about two years before i was you know and that's like a that's like a perfect mindset for professional athletes basically even if they're outside humble you know inside there is a belief that they're fucking real like that's what separates i think the professionals from everybody else the great from the good i think he's in between the years confidence is such a big part of it confidence comes from a lot of work though you don't just wake

You got to work your dick off. And once you put it out there, you know, a lot more people are going to be looking at your waiting for your downfall. You're just up waiting for your, oh, okay. You know, so that's a part of it. That happened to you, dude. That happened to you a little bit.

You know, you got, that happened to you. Yeah, yeah. You've battled, though, which is why we appreciate the hell out of you. Now, speaking of battling, it's been a long time since the people of Ohio have had a chance to be happy. Go ahead, Ty.

Yeah, CJ, obviously, you know, your boots to the fire right now trying to make it to the playoffs. But I think I saw that you called Coach Day after the game against Michigan. Obviously, you know that rivalry, how important it is more than most. What did you think about that game and how happy were you to see that Coach Day finally got that Michigan monkey off his back for the first time in 210091 days or whatever it was? Yeah, man, I'm just so happy for him. You know, somebody who, you know, I consider, you know, a brother of mine, a person who I look up to, and somebody who, you know, is instill confidence into me and, you know, made me, you know, feel like I was the greatest thing since sliced

bread when I played for him. So just to see, you know, his hard work pay off to see how much he puts in and the coaching staff, you know, to win that game to finally get that done, man. It's just, I just think it's super cool for Columbus, you know, for the state of Ohio. And he just stamped himself as, you know, best coach in college football. And I've been on that. I'm just the mind that he has, not just offensively, but as to run a program, especially there where everything is so critical, you know, I thought he's done a great job. And you talk about class and, you know, doing it the right way and not looking ignorant or like a fool after you win because we could have did that. But to have class and, you know,

to still have fun with it, though, and not disrespect anybody, you know, I thought that was super dope to see. And, you know, I'm just, and I'm super proud of Julian, man. Like, that dude is that kid's a baller. You know, Callie. kid and, you know, processes the game the right way, has a heck of a touch, you know, a heck of a arm, and then, you know, the beast on the outside and up front, you know, they're playing well. And like us, they're probably best defense in the country. So I just think, you know, they're playing it off cylinders.

And, you know, I think everything starts with Coach Mick, though. If Coach Mick is the reason why, you know, we move in guys up front, while defense tackling the way they are, while Julian throwing that ball and the strength staff. So I think just think all that's coming together, you know, when you get that dove. Yeah, it feels like very comfortable being a dynasty, too, Ryan Day. Feels like the way he's moving. He understands what life is like at the top, never satisfied, continuing to motivate, understanding the situation.

Him talking to coach more afterwards when they're shaking hands, hey, we're not going to plant the flag or anything, but you need to get your guys out here. There's going to be some shit, basically is what Ryan Day said. We're going to win with humility. There was a stoppage of it all. and then afterwards in his press conference when he said, I've thought a lot

about what I would say at this exact moment right now. I'm going to save those for another day. We were going to win with humility through it all. What do you think you would have said? I weren't here. Yeah. What did you think? I had cops outside of my goddamn house.

Okay, two years because our own fans were coming after me for not winning this game. They potentially had our signals. Remember, that was a full car. The amount of the amount of things that he could pull from and what his personal life was. I think everybody that has ever met him

is happy for him in this particular moment, except for Michigan people, obviously. You called him, is that right? We did hear that a little bit of a rumor. You called him, what was the messaging and what was the conversation like? Yeah, I'll just tell him how much, you know, I'm proud of him and just to see the smile on her faces

and, you know, to finally, like you said, get that monkey, you know, off our backs was just dope. And I was really just raving about the play calls, you know, like I told him about, you know, it was a play that I ran. my whole career there that, you know, I've seen them run and we scored on to Carnell. I was like, and I text Coach Key, the tight-ins coach, and then I, when I talked to Coach Day, I was like, man, I seen where that play was.

And then the one, Brandon and it scored on the motion. I thought the motion was super cool, the timing, to get the ball snapped, you know, and the perfect element where they thought we were going to the flat and he breaks it across the face on the slant, you know, I thought it was super dope and a great play design by Coach Hart. So, and I just, I really was marveling about, you know, the play calls. But I thought overall they played great. And, yeah, the conversation was well-needed. And I ain't talked to Coach Dan in a little minute.

So, I mean, it was good to see his face. Hell yeah. Good to see your face, too, dude. Just not in our stadium. Stop it. Yeah. Enough of it. I don't like what they're doing on the internet.

I don't like that. I don't like your name on our stadium. But Jesus, you guys are really good at football. Good football team. And it seems like you're about to be good for a long, long time. Thank you for hanging out, brother. Have a great day. appreciate you guys man i bless y'all bless you bless you bless you too man hey bless the texans

all right see you dude c j stroh yeah they told us they literally just told us hey he's got somewhere to be like i like that he'd probably yeah 15 yeah fuck this yeah yep yep that's saving yeah exactly all right let's get to a break on the other side we'll cover all the stories we didn't talk about you know because we hit that first 15 did you hear the first 15 that jay's up The booze are out They finally had it Did you hear that? I did, but I also

Listen to Koboli and Mac Do their post game podcast too I think Koboli said Trey Essex called in It was actually a beautiful show But I believe he Ciboli thinks I would have one more year in his deal

And he thinks they mutually part ways After next season All right Cool Almost there Another season Yep What?

That was on camera We saw you do that Oh, the win in season. Yeah. The jig is not up. Boos are out. Reload this next year. It's just it's

Run it back here and Roger. It's similar to AQ and James Franklin. Like after it's done, I'm going to be very, very thankful for everything that he is done here. It's just, you know, sometime, 18 years, long time. Long time. You got to go to college.

You got to spread your wings. It's flat. Lice some scratch-offs. Yeah. I have some Zins. Yeah. Maybe serving a military. Marty throwing that Zinn in right in the middle.

Yeah, that's awesome. Had to do it. Had to it. I'm so fucking tired, you would not believe. How about him driving his fucking van? Those conversion vans very readily available in the rental car department. We've learned. I'm in one of those at least once a weekend, I think.

Great seat. The seat is like the southwest window seat. Right there next to the door. There's one right there. Always try to snag. That's where you've got to be. But you can't fit a lot of people. you can toss a lot of shit what we have learned yeah it's a big shit tosser to the back couple

rows vehicle i'm doing that with the cameras just chase him down boys i hope he recorded some of it i said that would be great like the crew he was driving yeah he was driving texting yeah driving like fucking bo duke he said he did he said i bow duked that thing yeah what a legend i didn't know we're going to get the whole behind scenes story did you know that when i asked the question no i'm glad we I'm glad he did. We're about two and a half minutes into that thing. I'm like, okay. We're about to learn this in the fucking whole thing here.

And it was the biggest story. Oh, yeah. By far. And Marty's just right there in the middle of fucking Oxford, Mississippi. Well, we imagine if he was there all those days and then he didn't get that interview. Yeah. What's going on here? The hell what are people doing here?

What is this? High winds, it sounded like, I don't know what the hell that was. Where did that come from? Who's that? Jesus, come on. I was talking about this. You guys heard something? Oh, my gosh.

You did not? Yeah, the Gail Force wins or something. Maybe ice fell off the roof. Could have been. Oh, yeah, the sliding of the roof. I thought someone just crashed into your office. Maybe, I mean, who knows? Especially with the way that parking lot was this morning.

Phone confirmed. So icy. No falling off of roof. Bone, don't stand under it. Could have killed them. These things get dangerous. Yeah. You have a dome.

It looks cool. It's like, hey, the dome looks cool. Sweet. Let's put some rain-ex type stuff so nothing, you got to get trapped on that. Well, when it's freezing cold, windy, and there's moisture, there's going to be isolates that kind of stick to the dome. And then they're going to slide. And then those things are coming right down.

Projectiles. Yeah, that's a car. Just like this. Yeah, you're right, Bowen. Don't be standing right on. When you open the door, he's got to sprint out to get some clearance from the building. This is just like back in the day when we were kids. And there was a sniper in D.C.

And they were telling us to walk. zigzags. Did you guys get that? Or you can chase by an alligator. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa.

Yeah. I'll tell you what. I think we all beat it, so we should be pretty pumped about that. Right? Yeah, legit. Hell yeah. That was a real worry. Yeah.

You are right, though. If you don't have ice melt yet, go get that some bitch because I saw about 10 people slip next door. No, no worst way to start your day. Dropping off the boot? Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Dropping off the kid.

Yeah, luckily none of them were holding their kids, but I saw that and I was like, I'm holding my daughter, I better really kind of dial it in. Oh, yeah. Shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle. Yeah, we got the damn Kevin McAllister's house out front there. Yeah, I got to shove. The thing is, with the ice, you got to actually almost try to slip, control the slip while you're on it as opposed to try not to sit. Like a control burn. Exactly.

It's like whenever you're white wall rafting. Yeah. And there's like a rock or something supposed to lean towards. Go into it. Because it'll shoot you away from it. On ice, you just got to embrace the slick, the slippiness, if you will. Same if you're driving, turn into it. Bingo.

And also put that thing in neutral because drive is going to give you a little bit of power to the tires. You don't want any of that. Ain't that the truth. Drop that thing in the neutral there on the ice. Okay, you got a lot of range. So you say go into the rocks. Yes. Yeah, when you're white water rafting.

Then let that current fucking shoot you a lot. Do you that a lot, D butt? I did it once, actually. I've never done it. North Carolina. Me either. I've never done it, but I've heard the metaphor a lot. You know, this is just like whenever you're Watwater River rafting.

You've got to lean towards the problem, actually, to get you away from the problem. You've got to face this thing head on. That's where I've learned it from. I've never actually gone out there because I heard you could die. Oh, yeah. And I don't really like it. Depends on the category. If you lean into the rock and you just bang your head off of it, then you'll die.

You got a helmet on. Bingo. Yeah, but if you do go unconscious underneath those tides, I do believe that is a lot of death. it's tough to breathe under there yes it's a high percentage death so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna live with the metaphor i'm gonna act like i did it ever seen river wild great movie helen hunt yeah good about without a paddle is that's different i've seen that actually south green yes mm-hmm dad shepherd boom that's a good movie a little different than river wild but yeah yeah they both gay david's dred her you got fucking run wild out there

can bacon all right let's get to a break remember the salt does it help after the ice no it's got to come before the ice yeah and if you just like go throw a bunch of salt on top of the ice you're just going to waste all your salt yeah we really we paid for a double salting here today on top of the ice so you guys got a lot of ice you got you have snow as well

oh yeah uh snow there was a covering of everything and then wind kind of changed that so then there was like a tornado a lot of winds high winds this weekend and then after that there was a little precipitation ice just like sheets of ice like this thick across a lot across a lot of stuff. Very scary. Very, very scary.

But it's not black ice because it doesn't blend in. You definitely see that it's ice. So you're almost like, oh, okay. You got to embrace the slick. That's right. You got to embrace the slick. There was a hundred car pilot

but on Terre Haute about an hour from here. A couple days ago. Did you see that? I saw it on the internet, yeah. Yeah. Scary. The wind. It was very windy.

The wind with the snow with the ice is really quite a, you know, it really gets you because it spreads it all everywhere. It's like that, what's that thing called? The Arctic Blast? Yeah. Polar Vortex.

Polar Vortex? Yep. Pittsburgh, I don't know how we live there with the snow. Great. The hills like this. How does anybody make it? Good sports team. Mm-hmm.

At that time. Used to, renegade used to come on in a car when you were going up a hill like this. Mm-hmm. This is what's happening. The car in front of you made it three quarters of the way and then dumb ass. comes down. They're on a side. You loser.

My turn. Oh, mama. That's what's happening. Idiot. Next person. Two-wheel drive car. Let me fucking go ahead and give this a go. Got to give it a good run.

Full speed. Right back. That's what Renegade used to help people get through. Now they're boon it. Fourth quarter, when defense son fits. Sad. Good old days.

Oh, yeah. Should have done. We ran them. First time, first time it's been booed. Do we know? There might have been a lack of response, maybe, not as enthused a couple times, but I don't think just an open, nope, this team doesn't deserve this. Boo!

Fuck it, right again? Yeah, right, dude. He's magical, that's A.J. Hawk, and congrats to him and he's Ohio State Buckeye. Hey, Jay, tell me how you feel about this Ohio State Buckeye team. Maybe one of the most dominating runs a college football team has ever had. They roll into the Big Ten championship this weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana to take on the Indiana Hoosiers, who haven't won a conference championship since like 1967 or something like that in football. Obviously, it takes place in the state in which they represent. There's Hoosiers fans everywhere.

Buckeyes fans are insane. Should be a magical weekend. How do you feel about your Buckeyes, A.J. Hawk? I feel pretty good about where they are. I mean, obviously we knew they had to go up to Ann Arbor and win a tough one. I mean, the views and the clips from this game will be shown forever. Obviously, the snowfall and what Brutus was doing on the sideline in the end zone was awesome. I think it'll be one of those games we look at years down the road that they took care of business.

but you had a big test with Kurt Zignetti and the old Indiana Hoosiers. I think it's going to be an awesome one-two matchup. I wish you would be there and see the hoopla, you know, with the game day set. But I'm sure you'll get there later on in the playoffs, hopefully. Are you going to come over for the game or no? I don't know yet. I'm trying to figure that out. We'll get you a bird come over.

We're going to be there. We're going to go to it. Are you? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's going to be a fucking... I can't wait. My expectation is this is going to be an insane invite. Like, I think it's going to be.

and outrageous environment because Hoosiers fans, good fans, they only get a chance to do it for basketball games, though, for a long time. You know, obviously they've shown that they will be football fans. They are football people naturally in Lucas Oil, which a lot of Hoosiers would call their own home, you know, and then Ohio State Buckeye fans always travel, always very loud. I mean, it should be electrifying in the city of Indianapolis. And, yeah, I'll be heading back from the SEC Championship College Game Day morning and going to that for sure.

yeah it's the city's going to be shut down for this thing i mean it is going to be outrageous and i think what mendoza and that indiana offense can do not a lot of teams in the country can do it's the original reason why i picked indiana over organ is because i'd been forced to watch this indiana hoosier team being a local here and i've seen it and it's like this mendoza guy operates like a sunday quarterback this guy's an NFL quarterback they got talent all over the place they're able to protect them it's like and it can run it's this thing team is a good team and your defense can be dominant, which your team certainly has been, but Mendoza's been able to be good against those types of teams because he can also read,

which is what your defense can do to offenses. So it's like, I think the game's going to live up. I think the game's going to live up to the environment that it's going to be played in. And I think it's special, man. I think it's a very, very special situation for both these teams, age. I can't wait to hear, I don't know, you think Kurt Signetti will be a little more subdued this week leading up to it, or do you think he's going to be, you know, he's going to be very boisterous and talkative. If I had to guess, he told us earlier in the season that he don't have to do that shit anymore. He said he felt like he had to do all that to make sure everybody believed.

Like, he feels like he had to come in there. He said the first four hours I was in the building, I realized that we got to change a lot of people's, a lot of everything around. Opinions, ideas. We got to build this program up, basically. So he says that that decision was made strictly because of the lack of belief in the program that he felt immediately upon arrival. So he started talking his shit. Fuck Ohio State. Fuck Purdue.

Fuck Michigan. This is what we're doing in this entire thing. And then now he said he feels like people believe in them. And I think that's real. I think we do believe in the Hoosiers. And I think that's why Saturday night is going to be glorious here in Indianapolis. I mean, what the president in AD said to you last year when Game Day went there. We are fully aligned.

We are fully aligned. President, I think, from Georgia, AD from, if I recall, right. alignment from football places, like very much understand what football can do for entire university, what sports can do for entire university, and they're embracing it, and obviously the Penn State job opens up.

Indiana immediately goes, hey, you want to stay here? Yes, here's a new deal for however much 100 million we'll keep you here for the next six years. Like, they are very much all in on it, and the Ohio State Buckeyes are in the middle of a dynasty, you know, so special stuff. It could be physical. Physical game. That's why I thought the Michigan game was cool

because it was very physical. And I talked to people that there in the stadium. They said like every play, even if it's not on camera, like there's dudes 20 yards down the field, kind of going back and forth, kind of pushing, shove it. After every play, there's, it was a rivalry game. It's very, very physical. There's a cut-up two of Casmeric, the tight end. The dude was blocking his ass off, putting dudes on the ground. There's like five, six, seven clips with this guy's just finishing dudes all over the field, landing on top of them. It was just, it was one of those games. This is how it's supposed to be. Hey, can you tell me a little bit about obviously Jeremiah Smith's unbelievable? He was

What a defensive holding there, right? Debutt? Oh, yeah. For sure. What a bucket shot there from Julian Sane to Tate. I mean, you know, this Ohio State team has been beating everybody's ass. I mean, that's what they've been doing. And Texas, actually, Sarkesian came out. Week one, we lost seven by seven to Ohio State. We've all seen what Ohio State has done to everybody.

It's like since jump, this Ohio State team has been understanding that they have to be great and they're expected to be great. Now they got the Michigan game out of the way. Now it's like full focus on what this entire season. They feel more like a machine, I think, than any other team at this point. Yeah, I would be interested to hear AJ's thought. If he is afraid of any, I guess, drop off of the emotional. Now you finally got this Michigan monkey off your back.

I know this is a huge game. You're defending national champs. But now after getting a win like that, it's the first for this group, obviously. Any fear of a falloff facing this Hoosier team? I don't think so. I think they feel probably, I mean, Ryan Day, I think he is on. those dudes every single day. Like he is highly, highly motivated to the rest of them are.

I think now they think, all right, cool. Like, now our season begins. Like, what we've done was cool, like whatever. But now we are here to do what we set out to do. This is what we want to do. We plan on going undefeated and win a national championship, and that's all out in front of us. Here are the odds to win the national championship as we sit at this moment with Draft Kings.

Ohio State plus 160, Indiana plus 425. Georgia plus 800. Damn. Oregon plus 1,000 alongside Notre Dine. And Texas Tech, hey, that's a good football team. There is good football. Now that we're talking about Texas Tech, hey. Do they play this week?

That's a good football team. They need, I think, to get out of the Big 12th. I think. Oh, okay. They are more SEC. They feel, right? West Texas, but if you really zoom out and move over, you can say they're a part of the south-eastern part of the United States of America.

So the fact that Sanky has not. invited Texas Tech into the SEC is disgusting. For those people down there in Lubbock, I'm gonna let you. He's probably afraid of them. I don't, it's exactly what it is, and they know that. But if you guys get invited to go over there,

you guys should go on over there and prove just who the hell you are. How's BYU not in the Mountain West? They're in the mountains. Bingo. I'm okay with BYU hanging in the Big 12th. Okay, especially with some of the rumors. Trying to pick it up.

But Texas Tech, we need them. out of the Big 12th. We need them. They beat the shit out of the West Virginia Mountiers. I saw some clips, yeah. They,

I mean, just in a good football team. Shut up. That's a good football team. That's a good football team. And I don't think nationally there's a lot of respect for him because it's brand new.

Like Texas Tech is brand new. But like one of the people, let alone high school coach loves ball, quarterback high school, his dad's high school coach loves ball. They embrace Texas. It's like the people, the double eagle and Buddy Beach,

okay, the people that are kind of behind this entire thing, who took a shovel out, and they won down there, and they found it. And they certainly have it. And they played ball. In the trenches is where they played ball. So it's like, we want the best D-line, and we want the best offensive line. And it's like, you got Patrick Mahomes, too, who's there to get brand new stuff from Adidas and recruit, whenever you talk about weapons and everything.

It's like, they have, they're, I think they're just getting started. I don't think it's a I think they are a real problem for as long as that shit's in the ground and that shit's going to be in the ground for a long time and that is how that is how I think Cody Campbell and Dusty Wobble

and Buddy Beach okay and these boys I think that's how they view it and I think they're all aligned like hey when we're good at sports everything's better around here it's a very family oriented part of the country I think

and of the state and it's like family sports it's like that's everything they love and it's like they view that as their team and to have one of the main drivers of that be a trenches guy, it's like he knows this guy gets it, this guy really really understands. That's where they spent the soft season too.

All of it. That deal line, we got no points. We play four quarters against it. Yeah, saw. Let's go football team. It sucks to have to tweet that up. Final. Yeah, why do that? I don't know. Everyone does it. Everyone. Yeah, that's because they want engagement.

You don't have to. to you know engagement on they weren't right these people have wrong not all these people not West Virginia certainly not okay certainly not of West Virginia but you know these social media

people they get the wrong you know send it they got the wrong goals you know sometimes their goals aren't this is not what I'm referring to if you can please you know this one is not what I'm referring to although that's not good one should just lie 30 nothing

yeah because you can just say you stop tweeting yeah last we saw this this tweet actually posted this two hours ago. It's just one out. You're not out of the stadium B. Sorry about it. And then you can even quote to tweet and say, sorry, delay on the tweet. We'll see you next week. Then bang, now you're getting actual numbers

as opposed to just saying, we're ass cheeks. Look at this. And look at this. Seven touchdown. Or just say like, hey, the boys fought hard and we're unable to get a victory and just don't put the score. Yeah, exactly. Freezing, phrase it.

Although we weren't able to get on the scoreboard this week, we will certainly attend to in the future. You know? Or just Texas Tech to go football team. That's all it needs to be said. And also, maybe even Texas Tech should be banned

from the Big 12th. That's, yeah. Let's go to that. They need to be banned. Texas Tech. Yeah, that's what the Posts need to be. Texas Tech team, I think, is going to be good for a long. So as much Virginia, though.

Okay, we're finding a hard edge. It was lost there for a while, but it has been found once again, and that's an off-season run. We're not losing our coaches, Colorado State, so I don't want to hear. anything. Not yet. Has Kevin Brown decommitted yet? Whoa.

He knows we need him. Okay. And enough with even putting out in the universe. Okay. Tim Brown's boy? Well, yeah, exactly. He's not letting him decommit. Maybe post that. It's post Kevin Brown. How about. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Western football.

Beg and forget. Yeah. The future. Boom. On the next season. On the next season. Let the bodies. Mm-hmm. And it's him. And they have a transformation from his

photo shoot that he had, where his quads were out and his jaw, and it goes into his pads right here, and he's boh-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. What if Lane comes after him? What the fuck are you doing? Why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? We don't need that. I'm sorry. My bad.

Yeah, what are you doing? Why are we even talking? He's not a lane. LSU doesn't want, like, yeah, he's where he should be. He's going home. Thank you. Yes. He's going home. I kept you off the screen, though. I didn't want him to get swayed.

You know, Ohio State was one of his final three. It's like, we do not need anything here. This is a big deal for West Virginia. I think it's being proved every single week, you know, when we go out there. Show him promise, shown a chance, and then we run into a team that is there right now. This is where we are trying to get to. In Texas Tech, I think they're going to be there for a while, man. They got football people with the money as opposed to.

Like, I think Cody Campbell, if you really wanted to, I assume he could have got into the scouting NFL world. You know, he's one of those types of guys. I think he could have got in there. Love's ball, nose ball. Just so happened to take some of his ball money and go start a company, you know, back Texas Tech. Sure.

And boy, we hit it. And then we did it again. And then we, holy shit, did it again. And then we did it again. And they, I think, view themselves as football people, how they wanted to look. And then you add in Mahon, it's like, that's a problem, dude.

and that fan base is crazy. They are a fucking great fan. I assume that's only going to get bigger. Who else in the Big 12 has those kind of, you know, that kind of alignment that they have right now. Oh, it's, and I, yes, I don't know whenever you give that question. But whenever you talk about the alignment, it's like this is what every college football team would,

the money people are football people. Because everybody's like, hey, the money people can't be telling a football people what to do. It's like, well, the money people are fucking football people. It's like, okay, Mahomes, do you think he knows his shit? Do you think maybe these guys, they know ball? Like, it's quite a, they need to be banned. They need to be banned. Them also understanding like, hey, we need to get better on the offensive and defensive line

and like kind of changing from the gimmicky bullshit that they used to be where like they just go out and throw for 750. You can't just beat every team 56 to 49. So them understanding like, even with Mahomes being there, like, no, we have to do this the right way. and then you see when they actually do do it the right way. It's like, oh, wow. These guys are pretty fucking good. This is Cody Campbell's tweet. Love you, Red Raider Nation.

Love you, Jerry, McGuire. And every single one of the incredible group of guys you coach, now let's go get a big 12 championship. Big game. For the next 10 years. Nobody's going to get in our way. Sweet road to the playoffs. They ain't leaving.

Why would they? No, they'd be so stupid to leave. They're in a beautiful spot. Yeah, right? What are you talking about? What are you guys talking about right now? We talk about the Big 12 being a cakewalk to the playoff? Yep, yep.

Money will spend. Little do you guys know. It might be a Clemson-ACC situation for the next day. No, I don't think so. I think that is not accurate. Here is championship week as we look ahead. Congrats at East teams, potentially winning the first championship of the year. This is something that every team looks forward to, has their sights on.

It's talked about in the building throughout the entire year, trying to win your conference championship, all these teams will have the chance to do as such. That Georgia Alabama game, obviously down there in the SEC, will be a spectacular one in Atlanta. A lot of questions about if Alabama loses this game, would that be held against them in the college football playoff committee? Then I've heard Herb Street, I think, say that he has heard that if you make the championship

game, you can't drop anywhere, but you could maybe go up or something. I haven't seen that rule. Me neither. I have not either I think he heard from somebody maybe a committee member Can we face time Herb Street? Can you please FaceTime Herb Street?

That would be three losses for them? Yeah. Have you seen it? So then they go into the three lost committee, the three lost crew and then there's a lot of conversations about all that. Yes, exactly.

Yeah, who's ranked higher than Duke. Who's that? JMU and both of those American teams. So if there's a situation where Duke wins, ACC might be left out of the college football play. Come on Duke. Which would be insanity. Obviously, that would be a huge conversation. Alabama or Texas getting into the playoff would be a huge conversation. In Alabama, potentially getting punished for losing in the SEC championship would be a huge story because then you would hear every person that's ever been involved with the sports say, so these championship games are not good to go to.

So Oregon is not going to the championship game. So they just get to hang out. They won't add any other losses and they're in a great spot. is that kind of the thought of what we want in the future? And then you think about Alabama, if you win the SEC championship, though, all of a sudden now you're in a much more primo position. Georgia stays in, I think, regardless. Yeah, I personally, I think that teams that are in in this conference championship this weekend would be the Oregon, Indiana, Texas Tech, Georgia, and Bama, I think no matter what happens.

Because you can't take, I don't think you can punish Alabama for losing it. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now. He's a man who is always in the middle of most conversations about ball. Because he kicks off NFL weeks on Thursday Night on Prime without Michaels. He is the face of college game day, which I am lucky to be a part of, 9 to noon. And then he calls the primetime game every single week on ABC. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, former president of Ohio, Kirk Herbstree. Irby, thank you for coming on.

I hope you had an incredible morning thus far. I hope you had a great weekend. Question for you. Were you the one that said, because I was just thinking aloud here, Alabama, obviously, if they lose in a championship game, will pick up a third loss. Then all of a sudden, everybody's like,

well, they'll get tossed into the three loss group, and then maybe they missed college football playoff, which then leads into people saying, well, you don't want to make your conference championship game? What does the conference championship game even mean? Didn't you say that you heard something about not being able to drop in ranking if you're in the championship game unless it's a blowout or something like that I forget what was that you that said that and if it wasn't you what are your thoughts on that

situation yeah I it probably was me in one of our meetings I mean pull this over probably me and one of our meetings with um oh I like that game day you know I mean it is a is this working yeah we can hear you for sure I don't know if you're going through the mic or not but it looks cool okay okay oh maybe I'm not going through it but but But you're right. The meeting we had, because I've been told this, it's not my opinion. I've just been told that if you go into a conference championship game, and now Wisconsin, I think, in 14, got blown out by Ohio State 59-0,

and that flipped everything. Ohio State went way up. There were two spots behind and ended up going up. But I haven't seen, I can't remember a team that had to play a bonus game that then got punished. for playing in that game. I mean, Alabama went to Athens and beat Georgia in the regular season, and now they're going to play them a second time. We all know how tough it is on a second time.

So I don't know. Unless they get worked, I'd be surprised. And we don't even know what the find, really, the rankings are until tomorrow night to find out whether or not how far ahead are they of some of these other teams. Have you guys broken down Duke potentially winning yet? Yeah, Tone just kind of led into it a little bit about maybe the ACC champion not having any representation in the top five or top highest ranked conference champions. Yeah, it's really confusing because, for me anyway, the top five conference champs, I think we all get locked in Big Ten SEC, ACC, Big 12. But in this case, if Duke, who's seven and five ended up winning, you're not going to move them up over the American.

American winner, Tulane and North Texas. So that champion is automatically in. And if JMU, who I think has a chance to get into the rankings this week, they're 19th this week into coaches and AP poll. But if JMU wins their conference championship game, they would go in. And if Duke beat Texas Tech, you could have JMU, let's just say Tulane, if they beat North Texas, ACC, ACC out. If they beat North Texas, ACC out. If you could have JMU, let's just say Tulane, if they beat North Texas, ACC out. If BYU beats Texas Tech, Texas Tech's not out. So you have BYU in, Texas Tech in. Now you start a limit, where do you start eliminating teams? Think about that. BYU, count them for me. BYU, Texas Tech, SMU, or I mean, I'm sorry, JMU, Tulane. And now you get the Big Ten champion, let's say Ohio State, Indiana, whoever wins, the loser's still in.

Oregon is going to go in so if all kinds of chaos we haven't even gotten to Notre Dame yet and how many did we have we haven't gotten to the SEC yet how many you have left one two three four five six seven and Notre Dame would be eight oh whoa whoa whoa I mean

think about what's left now think about what's left Georgia Texas A&M Ole Miss Notre Dame Oklahoma Alabama Vandy Texas Miami Utah

I mean, if that happens, you have, it's complete and utter chaos because going by what you said, you got to put Notre Dame in, well, then who are you going to leave out? I'm telling you, hey, I don't like it, Kirk, I don't think any of us like it. And it was kind of the reason why you were talking the way you were talking on Saturday about Lane being able to coach his team. like and obviously there was people that got very upset with you saying that like hey the reality is that's just not going to work out for any party yada yada yada but i think what you were thinking of is if lane's not there and his other coaches that are going with them aren't there what is this team going to look like as opposed to what they worked for all year that is the world you were living in right is that not i i was looking at it from a players perspective and a unprecedented season and the history of 122 years of old miss football i i wanted them And whether it's Lane, if Lane got us to go, Keith Carter said he's got to go, okay, I mean, that's his decision. That's fine. Can Charlie Weiss Jr. stay? Can Joe Cox stay? I mean, you imagine Ole Miss preparing. You got Joe Judge is one of the few offensive coaches that it's still in Oxford. And everybody else is in Baton Rouge. So this chaos, and I'm not saying it's Ole Miss's fault. We talk about the calendar. old miss had to make a decision and i i i respected their ad basically said listen you're either with us or you're against us if you're out you're out goodbye but it really puts this old miss

team that's enjoying a season that we've never seen i just love to see kind of look at what toulin's doing john somerl's going to florida he's coaching in the conference championship game of the american if they win he's coaching in the playoff i think you know that maybe they decided it was a different set of circumstances going from toulain to florida i get that But I just thought maybe if they went around to the players, especially the leadership council and said, hey, guys, this sucks. I mean, it is what it is. Do you guys want Lane and all these coaches to stick around?

Do you want to do it without him? And I don't know if they did that or not. But if they did, and the leadership council said, to hell with him, get him out here, I'd be like, okay, that players made that decision. Let's go with it. But I don't know if that happened. I have no idea.

I just know Ole Miss made that decision. and I'm not like jumping up and down saying how dare they. I just, I wish for their sake they could have stayed intact, made a hell of a run. You know, maybe they'll circle the wagons and play with a pissed off attitude, you know, that Lane left. I'm sure like the example I used this morning with Joey was West Virginia lost Rich Rod to go to Ann Arbor. They had to go play Oklahoma. You were on the team in Phoenix, or in Tempe, or Glendale. No one thought they'd have a chance against Oklahoma

and I don't think Elmer Fudd could have been the coach that day for West Virginia and they would have killed anybody. You guys were pissed off at the world and maybe that'll be Ole Miss you know on the if they get into the CFP and they make a run. Maybe they'll be mad at the world. Hopefully it could unite them and they get going. You know, we had Pat White, Steve Slayton, Noah Devine, Owen Schmidt,

Dennis Raynaud, Tito. You guys were, whew. Yeah. You would have beaten anybody in the country that night. Yeah, and the issue is if some doofus makes a couple kicks, you know, before that, we do beat anybody in the country, which we're still living in, and we're trying to get back to that, obviously. But to your point, we went through Coach Rod Levin to go to higher grounds, you know, he went to Michigan, a job that you have to take. And Stoops, I believe, from Oklahoma said, we were hoping that we would get a better team or something like that. Like, they said something along those lines, like, teams not even good enough.

Bill Stewart, who was our head coach, at the time, he was tight ends and special teams coordinator. Be loved by... No one really knew him. No one really knew on the outside world. Be loved by the locker room. Obviously, been around a long time. And the way he talked that whole week about how bad everybody thought we were ass and all this stuff. It was a cool week for us.

It was a cool week for me. I had to battle a lot of personal demons, obviously. But it was, yeah, we beat shit out of that team. It was a cool thing to watch our team respond that way. Maybe Ole Miss would do that. That was one game. If you want to make it to the... Yeah.

have to win multiple games and there's a lot that goes into it. And obviously with the timing of the transfer portal and signing day and you're with another team and we have our team who's going to be talking to the people. It's what a nightmare. And I think we've all talked about the calendar being crazy and hopefully they'll be able to change that. But I don't know. This shit was crazy how it all went down there at Ole Miss. And to the point that you're talking about, about BYU, Texas Tech, JMU, Tulane, two, three from the Big Ten, Notre Dame, Georgia, A&M, Bama, Ole Miss. Is that who you put? in there. Remember the cause that they have in this thing. Could you imagine how bad Lane

Kiffin would be hated? Oh my gosh. Oh my God. They can't do it. Oh, Ms. guys. I have to get it. I don't think Notre Dame is. And by the way, guys, none of those weigh more heavily than the other. Strength of schedule, head-to-head, comparative outcomes of common opponents. And then, you know, it's not just because it's down there at number four. It's availability of key players. and coaches and I don't know how there's no way the committee Ole Miss finished the years strong I mean think about how they blocked out all the noise and went out in the egg bowl and it's true we all thought that was a tricky game for oh my god the committee cowbells the rivalry

oh miss oh my god the committee doing that would be the biggest heel move of all the times even even I don't think they can do that but what if they're at six right now what if they move them down to 11 and they go from having a home game to having to go on the road like even that people are You say Oklahoma in that thing? Did they drop them already? One spot, yeah. Oklahoma in that list you had to?

Nope. Because Oklahoma's there. So then you're saying Notre Dame drops out. There's a, there's, I can't remember the list. There's like, I don't know who dropped. If that's the situation, there's a chance where like Notre Dame, Miami, Vandy, trying to think of who the other two lost. Utah, Texas.

Only two of those teams can get in. So it's going to be. No, I mean, you're talking about having three spots and you're talking about seven or eight teams that are worthy of having an argument to be in there. And by the way, you know, I don't think anybody signed up for, you know, it's great to see these underdogs and that's a lot of fun. I don't want to see. But how is Miami of Florida, the year that they've had,

why can't a tiebreaker be the CFP rankings? Like, how is Miami the best team in the ACC, and they're not even going to Charlotte? it makes no sense to me like how Duke at 7 and 5 is going to play Virginia who's had a great year and a hell of a story but how is Miami not going? Why can't the tie break from be the CFP

rankings? It just makes no sense to me. Yeah, there's a lot of things that don't make a lot of sense in college ball but we're still going to watch it and we still love it. The controversy, the drama, the atmospheres and the meaningful football that is on its way for college football. We're pumped to, we get to be a part of it.

See you down there in Atlanta, brother. See you guys. Have a good one. Indianapolis, brother, is going to be insane. I'm coming back for the second half. After I call the SEC, I'm going to fly up to Andy to watch from the sideline. You guys are going to be in the suite? Yes, you're coming through, for real?

Yeah, I'm going to fly out. I'm going to catch you. I hope to be there by halftime. Okay, come on. It's going to be. What times your game, what times that game start? Do you guys know? Eight, eight people.

Oh, definitely. My game, I think, what times my game? three or four oh shit is let's see 730 730 airport by hopefully 8 8 30 at the latest in the air right 9 30 yeah is there an fbo near downtown yeah 15 15 all right so I'm there I'm there worst case by 10 all right we'll see you then cannot wait for that should be good time they're going to shut down this city for this game the Hoosiers have a basketball game at 3 30 in the afternoon oh

Ohio State obviously travels in bunches. I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be funny. Yes, it is. It's going to be insane here. We can't wait to see you here as well. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Herbstree. Yeah, Kirk. Oh, Kirk.

Yeah. Ohio State, man, we'll win. Ohio State. I see you're wearing your blue shirt like you're wearing your blue suit on Saturday for the boy, you know, for your boy. If we wear blue, I'm either gray or blue. Makes the eyes paw on. Baby blues. You were told early. You wear blue, those sons of bitches. Is Ty still mad at me? I was complimenting his athletic ability.

No. I was more mad about the Iowa stuff. And then I'll tell you what, Kirk, after they just beat the absolute shit out of Nebraska. You feel good. Yeah, I feel great. Packers won on 30s. Thanksgiving win. You're feeling good. I'm a good spot right now. How were you? How was the Black Friday game? Do you enjoy that? Loved it. Absolutely. There's going to be more of those, right? Bezos is going to be spending more on those like super duper holiday games. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's my fourth year there and they've had four of them. I think the last couple of years, people have kind of caught on to them a little bit more because you're, you know, you're used to the Thanksgiving games, but Black Friday, it was a blast.

Bears are really, really good. Man, they're fun. Old school, eye formation, run it down your throat play action. Caleb is much more disciplined playing great defense. They're going to be a factor. You look at their schedule. It's going to be a fun matchup in the postseason with really, really the vision, Kansas City or Green Bay, Detroit, and Chicago, all three of those teams. I got Detroit Dallas Thursday. I don't think either team can afford to lose that game. That's a huge one Thursday. Yeah, Dallas might be the best team in ball right now. Which is such an interesting part of the Dallas Cowboys story because there's a chance they can't make the playoffs

but we'll be calling them the best team in ball and Jerry Jones will run with that all offseason. That'll be an entire offseason of not making a playoffs but still, best team in ball. You fucking saw it. I mean, that's what we do. That's what we are.

You saw us. We're electrifying too. You want to buy a ticket to see this Dallas Cowboys team. That's what you want to do. And next year it's going to be a different story. It's going to be a different story. Can't wait to watch you on the call. Hey, did you see the photo before we get out of here?

you saw a photo of your boy lined up with his team protecting the logo uh did not did not you'll be proud of your boy you'll be proud of your boy he's standing there in the line there's a photo of ohio state guys in the crowd at the big house and then there's okay then there's a bunch of michigan guys like in a crew allegedly they're like protecting the em or whatever you know so it's not happening and you'll see in the one photo number 15 herb street right there on the right side and And I was like, standing with the boys. I like he's in the back. We're like, you know, maybe we move up to the front there.

But I do appreciate that in that entire thing. And I appreciate the shit out of that robbery as a whole. I like it. It's so good. So much fun. Those colors on the field together, I, you know, I can't get enough of that, obviously. I'm old school. I love that Ohio State clean, old school original whites instead of doing something crazy.

I love the look of both the teams. And Ohio State was dominant. You got to just, Ohio State's defense. I'm sure AJ talks about them all the time. what Matt Patricia, if he doesn't win the broils award as a top assistant, I'd be shocked. Their defense, what is it, eight points a game through 12 games. That play right there kind of felt like a turning point. And, of course, people argued about this one.

I don't know if it would have mattered a whole lot, you know, him bobbling the ball there. Some people wanted that to be a touchback. But Ohio State just so many playmakers played with good discipline. And I was in the tunnel with the two teams. Is that what you're talking about? Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. you see 15 right there you see 15 there he is yeah yeah i'm going to show you some text that winks at me um over the weekend that you'll appreciate and and like but because he was with him

all every week this year down with scout team but imagine being a freshman quarterback and wick martindale is your defensive coordinator you're learning from and competing against and really really what an opportunity to grow you know as a young buck oh yeah he had a great year doing that Good vote, Chase. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. All right, dudes. Ladies, Zam, Kirk. Hey, here we go.

Yay. All right, let's get some overreactions. Oh, Aaron Andrews said she had an overreaction for us. Was that about her getting misquoted, basically, out of context? I would assume so. What an absurd thing to happen. I can't believe those people did that to her. Wait, that's what they do.

Yeah. That's kind of their entire thing. That was fucked up. Aaron Andrew's OG in the game. Uh-huh. she's giving a lot of time of her life to football She was doing the games in Morgantown Whenever we were playing

Whenever I was playing there I assume a couple of Yukon games Probably playing against us if I had to guess But you're talking about just like Serving time to football And like always seemingly loves ball Never like anything else So to be like Aaron Andrews, this lady is a

She's patting because she can't go home to her family On Thanksgiving and Christmas I don't like anybody like bought it though Because EA is always like Can't remember who quote tweeted it too and it was like definitely someone who should have known better. Oh, yeah, a lot of people should have known. Yeah.

Hell, he is like a, she's a positive force for ball. Part of the institution. She's positive force for ball. I like getting quoted out of context. There is a crazy thing that happens on the internet these days, and there's going to be people that just to run with that narrative for the rest of their life and they're never going to be corrected. And that's okay.

Can't wait to run into them in public. Jeez, that's always an enjoyable time. On that note, let's get some overreaction, shall we? This is what Monday is all about. Put out a tweet that says, hey, listen, And why don't you let us know how you feel about your football team? Let them all out. You will not be judged.

No, you'll actually be celebrated. All you got to use is... We had some good ones earlier. I don't know if we need to keep doing that on ESPN because it holds back the limitations of what we're able to put up there. Tye had like a couple different options that we had to pull back. Yeah, had to pull. Because those things are just plastered right on the screen.

People walk through the airport, especially with the delays today. Jesus, that says fuck like eight times Yeah, so we had dialed it back But shout to the overreactions, making it on to ESPN And shout out to you for participating This became a trending topic This is from Dave Crad at Dave Cratt 99 Hashtack, I don't want to overreact

But the Chicago Bears Are the number one team in the NFC The Bears thought they will live in darkness For eternity, but a fucking stallion showed up And changed everything Green bag, you're ready to meet your new dad Good Bear best, never let it rest Bear

Don! Shout to Chicago, they do have a guy. Yeah, big time. Certainly have a guy. I think that's, that was my tweet after watching that game

and then seeing him shirtless. It's like, oh, Ben Johnson's a fucking guy. Like that is, they're certified at this point, so quick into his head coaching career, so fast turnaround, and then he's also still jacked.

So I got massive respect for what he's done, AJ, and we talked about it earlier. He's put his culture in, which I think is the hardest thing to institute. Yeah, I feel like he's gotten his culture kind of set pretty early earlier than expected earlier in the season i mean it was doom and gloom for a little

bit throughout remember the mistakes they talked about during training camp him restarting practice and we i remember we took it as a good thing saying hey no ben johnson's not messing around he's holding these guys accountable like he is he's letting them know that the standard is very very high here and i feel like man how many wins do they have what eight the last nine something like that yeah whatever it is like they this is not what it looked like the first couple weeks of the season i think and the fact that Caleb's playing so well, and Ben Johnson, I mean, great coaches. They kind of cater and they craft things. They put their players in position to make plays, and how they can run the ball, man, like, this is,

that's something that travels, and the good thing is what? They play the Packers two times still in the rest of this season. So we will truly get to see who runs the North, I guess. Yeah, who runs the North? Who's the shirtless coach of the North? It's Ben Johnson forever and ever, and Swift's nickname was Philly, is what they called him. So going back to Philly playing against him, I thought he would have a big day. they go for 281 on the ground,

which is obviously the most that a Seriani-led team has ever given up. A lot of people talking about Chicago Bears is bullied the Eagles, basically. Yeah. It's bullied the Eagles. And that's exactly what Ben Johnson won it.

We spend all the money on the offensive line as soon as he gets there, just like this Texas Tech team, basically. As soon as he gets there, hey, what do we need to fix? Offensive line. I want all the good offense alignment that are available right now.

How much are we paying? Whatever the fuck we need to pay for it. It's like that's as soon as you get there knowing that that's the right move. And then if you get Caleb to buy in, which he has seemingly and then the rest of the team it's like golly it's magic what can happen to a place

Chicago's alive again yeah and you mentioned the offensive line someone put out a great kind of encapsulation of Joe Tune in his entire career he basically was part of the end of the Patriots dynasty unbelievable best guard in football then he goes to the chiefs you know wins two or three whatever the hell it is

and now at the Bears I mean he is kind of the prototypical guard you would want especially for a young quarterback just because I mean you guys have talked about having a vet on that offensive line is so huge. Like, Darnell Wright's great. I think he's in his second or third year, so not really a vet. Like, Joe Tooney

just being there helping him out is huge. Yeah, here's what you're referring to, the Patriots chaffed at Joe Taney in 2016. He won three AFC championships and two Super Bowl titles. New England hasn't won a playoff game since he left. Then he joined the Chiefs for four years, won three more AFCs and two Super Bowl

titles. Now he's joined the Bears and they're eight and three, nine and three now and on their way in Kansas. city obviously feels the loss without him. Wild turn of events. And obviously a guy like that is going to have the impact he has on the field, but the impact that he has in the locker room and things will never see. Like that's, that's prices. Like it's guys who don't get the credit outside the building, but we know what kind of guys they are inside the building. So for them to turn this around with, because all everybody talked about is how they built this team with the

first round picks, a wide receiver and you get a quarterback like Kayla Williams can't even win in Chicago and that type of weather. And then see him come out. and bully teams. And now, at this point, what, five games won in November. That's when we talk about real football starts in NFL. And then they're getting healthier on defense. Their backers will be back at some point. But Nick and Kyler Gordon back, getting Jalen Johnson back, which when he's in his prime,

he's one of the best corners in the league. So, I mean, Arrow's only up for the Chicago team. The Bears, the Kings are the North. Oh, no. We'll find out. Yeah. They play the Packers two times in the next three weeks. And I think this is the game on Sunday will be the most impactful Bears Packers game

since, like, 2013 in the last week of the season, it was winner take-all for the division. Like, there hasn't been a Bears Packers game with this much juice in 12 years, which is crazy, but that's the way it should be. On a collision course of rivalry greatness for the next 10-15 years, can't wait to watch. Let's go to the next overreactions from Phil Huser.

They call him the Hughes. Hashtack, I don't want to react, but... The Eagles are fucking dead. Their brain-dead head coach and dumb-ass offensive coordinator or lost them, not only the 1C, but are not going to lose the NFC East. These dickheads couldn't scheme Jerry fucking Rice open. 2023 all over again. Generational offense ruined by these dopes.

A lot of that coming out of Philly? Yeah, a lot of that. People are sick of Siriani as well. The Petulow stuff, I mean, this has been going on since week two. And as you can imagine, you know, when Siriani came out and said, hey, we're not making any changes. Philly fans were pretty calm and normal. Yeah, the huge certainly said, okay, yeah, we're not doing anything.

We like our guys, huh? Is that what we're doing? Well, we're about sick. of it over here. Now, Siriani, unless he is making a full change, cannot say anything negative publicly about a coach in his staff. Now, if he makes the move and decides to move on from Patolo, then I think he could say something publicly. But watching the Eagles, the way they are and the way they got beat up, you know, I think I saw Orlovsky or somebody say earlier today, like the way the defense is playing in Philly is as if they understand that the offense is shite.

And it's like, you can break them, basically. And I think I saw CJ, G.J. maybe. Yes, because he's on the Bears now. I think C.J. G.J. said, I told you they fold or something like that. It's almost like the Philadelphia Eagles are waiting for a reason to not win a game, you know? And it's like, I think that all goes back to the vibes around it. So much drama, so much controversy. I don't know how they were able to win a Super Bowl in it all. But if anybody can turn around, I guess it would be Siriani in this Eagles team.

Good luck to them. The Bears are for real. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from Mitchell Cantley at P.H.X. Streeter. Okay, sick. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But. Detroit's flash has burned out in the pan.

This season is a wrap, and next year will be even worse. Another new offense coordinator, another offense line rebuild, limited draft picks, bottom third in cap space, vets departing. I don't know, man,

but 23 was their only shot. Foxy, ass and cheeks. Oh, no. Cross the whole board, or what's going on, I'm bear, dude? I don't agree with this overreaction. Okay, this year, yeah,

it's going to be tough to make the playoffs. We can probably only afford to lose one more game, and we have some tough ones coming up. But with all that being said, I think next year, easier schedule. Guys will be healthier. MCDC will hire an OC, so he doesn't have to be OC. I think that's a big deal. And I think we'll be A-OK. We still got the dogs.

We still got the players. We're still young. It's just been a tough year, tough schedule, the whole thing. I'm not losing all hope yet. You sound bummed out. I'm definitely bummed out. This weekend was a kick in the day. It sounds like you're trying to talk yourself into that opinion.

you read that from somebody else and now you're trying to buy into it or what? No, I just, I try not to lose a lot of hope, but Thursday we get our ass kicked by the Packers. We got to play the best team in the league and the Cowboys, and then we got to play the best team in the NFC and the Rams. I mean, this is

it's not looking good right now. Sorry, it was fun. It's going to run. Just glad I'm not a Michigan fan and had to eat that one too, because there was a lot of people that are Lions fans and Michigan's fans. That's tough. Yeah, they got a little one, too. Michigan State. Now, go

Green. No white. Pat Fitzgerald era. Here we go. Come on, boys. I might be the best hire of the cooking cycle. Why no one else class? There's a lot of things. There's a lot of things. It feels like a good hire. I think it was a great hire. As soon as I saw it come across the Algo, I was like, Fitzgerald, I forgot he was available. He just got done with a lot of things about a lot of things.

I think he's on a revenge tour. And also, hey, what they said about me, what is kind of his run right now. He won games in Northwestern. I don't think they had a lot of guys. You know, like I think... A bunch of Big Ten champions? Yeah, exactly.

From what I've been told, too, Michigan State does have some money behind it. Yeah, exactly. I think it's a great fit. Underdog, chip on the shoulder, everything Michigan State represents. And then allegedly, there's even more money coming, but who knows? Oh, allegedly. Maybe Michigan State runs the Big Ten now. They might.

I mean, unfeiting basketball right now. Really? Hey, hold on there. Who is the team that beat the shit out of everybody? There was a college basketball team that won by 30. Michigan. Michigan is for real. They look good.

They were the first team ever to beat three tournament teams from the season before by 30 to start a season. I guess they'd won by like 40, one by 35, and one by... They played Gonzaga in like championship of whatever like Thanksgiving week tournament. And it was in Ken Palm, you know, which is what a lot of people use for like the best basketball teams in America's rankings. It was the highest ever non-conference one. They beat Gonzaga by like 40. What?

Yeah. They're killing everybody right now. They're very good. The Big Ten is a problem. Iowa's good. Michigan State's good. Michigan's good. Illinois's good.

Indiana. Her dude. Is Indiana good? Yes, they're undefeated. The Big Ten is a wagon. They're undefeated. This guy. Yeah, of course he is.

His boy shooting a ball room. His boy's a good player. Yes, he is. We didn't get to see a lot of him at West Virginia last year. Funny how that works out. Fucking guy. How's WVU at Hoops? I think we're bopping a wood.

Bringing it. I think we're brought up. Russ Hodge's boys got him going in the right direction. Rick Petino's boy, just his team, Xavier, they came in and beat West Virginia, and they stink. But outside of that, they look good. West Virginia, we lost the game? Yeah, Xavier handled him.

Well, that's the thing. We're still trying to find who we're doing. I get it. We got good recruits coming in, though. He had the highest ranked recruit in the history of basketball coming in. Kevin might go over. They're six and two. Okay.

And we're trying to get better by March. They say January. Don't you play like one double A teams the first like six or seven games? No. Usually most squads do. I don't know about any of that.

From what I've seen. I don't know about any of that. Bring Huggy Bear back. They need Huggy Bear. We know that. It's January, February. Isle. No.

We're talking about the West Virginia coach right now. And his last name is Hodge, January, February, Hodge, April. It's a noon. Not Merrill. I look forward to it. Okay, that's his name.

Geez, let's get to the next, we beat the shit out of pit. I know that, 71-49. He'd beat Ohio State on a buzzer-beater. Oh, Ibs and Factor, West Virginia would run the fucking Big Ten. Okay, now that we have everything understood. Come on over. Well, we need Texas Tech to get out of the Big 12.

We need them. Take them first. Just too good, too much money. Then West Virginia. Smart money. Not just money. It's like, I know. Calculating.

Young people with money as well, too, that will continue to give. As you keep winning. And they build up their suites. Their sweets are the nicest sweets I've ever seen. Brand new. They want to come to the games. They're also very good at basketball. And softball.

They spend a million bucks. Yeah. Yeah. They would like their sports. Yeah. Yeah. Kennedy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Every game, she pitched. No. Dog. Lost in the finals. She's back there, right? I think so, yeah.

they've been to how many haven't they been three straight elite aids? On that note, Crooks? Crooks just went crazy. Yeah. Do you see what crooks?

Crook's just one absolutely crazy. Look out for the cyclones winning it all this year. If she's going to continue to do the stuff that she does on a basketball court, I don't know how anybody stops her. Honestly, I have no idea how anybody stops her.

You can't stop her. She gets the rock and she just goes and does whatever she wants and ends up in a bucket. She's a weapon. Yeah. They're the odds on favor of win national championship? I doubt it.

Hell no. South Carolina. What are you talking about? Fuck no. I love Big Body Audi. But we got Sarah Strong. We got dogs at Yukon. Yukon? You guys, your coaches go to Colorado State. They're 15th. What's that? They're 15th in odds to win

the 90. Like that value. Anything that happened. I'll take that. Connecticut's the favorite. Where's Fairfield? Okay. For now. South Carolina, Texas. All right, let's get to another ever reaction.

Shall we? It's fucking Prinny! Hashtag I don't want to overreact? But... I've had it with this fucking Steeler team. I'd rather be tortured in a North Korea prison where my teeth ripped out one by one than watch another snap of this fucking sad sack of a shit team.

Fire Tomlin and coaching staff into the fucking sun. Not the moon. No. The sun. Now, I do assume that Puck and Prentie here, bucking pretty here, will much like Tone have positive thoughts about Coach Tomlin. If there was to be a parting of ways

and some time to pass. But boy, these Steelers fans are sick of punting on football season, basically, is what they're doing. They look forward to and gear up the football season. And then within the first three weeks of the year, they know if their team can win a Super Bowl or not. And for the last 10, it's just been like, no, we can't. And I think they'd like to enjoy the fall. They'd like to see a little bit of change. I don't want to speak out of pocket.

We would like to enjoy the fall. Also, these assholes showed some bright spots in the first month of the season. And so it made it worse. We thought, you know, maybe the team can do it. Maybe they'll get better. Nope, they've gotten worse every single week. Leads at halftime at home against a lot of teams. But they lose by double digits to Seattle Seahawks, Green Bay Packers,

and now the Buffalo Bills with the lead at half. You got Yinzers flocking down there. It's hard to get down there. We got tunnels and hills, traffic, I mean, a lot of shit to get down there. They get all the way down there in the cold, get into that stadium, and this team fucking loses by two scores. at least. Yeah, fucking right. They run the same running play 20 times

for 200 and 60 yards. That is. That was astinine. So disheartening. John Allen was laughing. Don't fucking run Renegade. Josh Allen was laughing. He was laughing on his touchdown. I mean, it was like one of the most disrespect, like non-Pittsburg things. I mean, he's in the end zone laughing.

Like, that is just not what any of us... In the kitchen. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's cooking bacon in his underwear in Pittsburgh. I used to be a fan of his. Fucked up. You used to be a fan of who? Josh Allen. He reminded me to seven.

Not anymore, seven. Wouldn't any do any bullshit like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Cackle. Well said. Let's get to the next one, shall we? Jeez, Louise.

This is from Salvi. At Salvi 93-go bills. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the bills just ran through the steel curtain like it was a tissue paper table at a tailgate. Old Mayor Rogers was nearly driven back to Iowa-Wastown. Let the Bengals come and. get declawed, then off to Foxborough to get our fucking chain back. Hashtag Bill's Mafia. You feeling good about the bills after the ass beating? They just gave to the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I think I am. I think that was like a morale builder, big confidence boost for the Buffalo Beals team. They really came together. Anytime you have success running like this, yeah, especially when you don't have to get all, you know, you're not throwing anything crazy at him. We're not trying to trick them. You're just pretty much letting them know, hey, we're running right here, pal. You've got to figure out a way to stop us. And when they could not stop you, Yeah, I think that's a thing that not only your O-line, but your whole team kind of gains a lot of confidence from. Congrats to the Buffalo Beals.

There are two-starred tackles. We're out just how everybody knows that, too. Yeah, so they're only going to get better. Demoralized, but no, Bill's, I don't think they scare anybody to top right now. Whoa. So what are you saying about the Steelers? Uh-huh. Well, we've been saying for the last three and a half hours.

They absolutely stink. But all the bills, you got Josh Allen, but I don't think. That's it. Yeah, you're not going to be able to run the ball down and throw, you know, the Broncos, the Patriots, the Patriots, like you're not going to be able to do that. The other team that they mentioned in that overreaction, the Bengals, if anything, kind of feeling pretty good about the Bengals.

They just forced Lamar into four turnovers. It was insane. On that note, here is another overreaction from Carly Stollard. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but Joe Burr is back. It's December 1st and Joey B is 18 and 4 in his career in December.

Don't look now, but the Cincinnati Bengals run the table and sneak into the playoffs, especially with the Ravens and Steelers both being asked who they? You know, Joey Burrow as a starter, eight knows last eight games. He's good. He wins whenever he's playing. Now, the Baltimore Ravens,

we all have a lot of questions about and why this season is gone the way that it's gone and where they are and all that type of shit. We would certainly be talking about that this off season, but with the Cincinnati Bengals

still having a shot at this whole thing and Joey B, given the answer that he gave before it is a kid's game. We get paid a lot of money to do it, so I'm going to go do that. Most relatable thing, we've heard from a starting quarterback in a long time. Joey looks good, D-Butt.

Now, none of us believe that the way their team has built, they can actually win in the playoffs. But if they were able to make it, I think that would be a hell of a story coming out of Cincinnati this season. Yeah, it's kind of the same situation we were in last year. At this point in the season, they had to go on a run. Their playoffs basically started now, and they can't lose. And that's just a tough spot to be in as a team,

especially with how their team is constructed. Offensively, even when Burrow was out, they were going to put up 30 plus. points. But whenever Burrow is taking snaps and Jamar Chase is out there, they got a chance to beat anybody on any given Sunday. Don't have faith in their defense. But yeah, one of the best quarterbacks in the league, whenever he's healthy and out there taking snaps. So they got a chance week in and week out, especially in this division where nobody kind of, I don't know what's going on with Baltimore. Like their office just looks. They stink. Yeah, they stink.

On both sides of the ball, they're just not who we expect them to be at this point in the season. Lamar doesn't look the same for whatever reason. Very, very concerned with kind of everybody right now in the ESC North. Joey B can spin that thing. Jeez Louise, he can spin it. And it's just like without missing a, like he's been out on his back and it's just right on cue. And to your point about last season, he's been expected to be perfect down the stretch and

he has been. That's a December football talk that Carly was chatting about. Crazy stuff. Good for the Bengals. Who's a rule or a jungle going for? AJ, you're going to rule the jungle maybe? Hi. No, I don't think so.

I mean, did they win when Speed was there or no? Was that when Joe Burr came? No, they lost, and then he went and watched MLS game, and they lost two, 0 for two. He had a tough run since that. He was good in the ring, I don't know if you saw that. Yeah, he was great at war games? He should have been. He should be, yeah.

He's good. He's got it basically everything. Is he the masked man? Oh, we don't know. Actually, I think I know who the masked man was. Just from looking at it, I think I know that person. I think I know him pretty well. Did he have a coll-ed match?

No, you guys asked people by some women, though, yeah. In the ring? Bad-ass women, though. Let's not get crazy here. Yeah, duh. Was it not a real match? Last time they had to Tejada. He got hit by a Tejada bomb by a Rockdale.

Roger Juez. Oh. Then he took the rock, pop rocks, from Roxanne Perez. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, I mean, he can't be doing it. He jumped out of there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's what happens whenever you mix it up with the judgment.

Morgan, how did he see him? And then Morgan came and kicked him into wee-weewee. She called him John Weena afterwards. Oh. It's not right. That's clever. Yeah, but she got him. I mean, she did one of these.

That's Liv. Football, man. It's my last PLE. Holy shit. Thank you, Liv. And she, I don't think so, fucking wee, we know. She backs up. Did the fans love that?

I'll tell you guys, Big Pop, Dominic Mysterio, once again, the IC champ. What? Yeah. In San Diego, Petco Park, $48,000. I did see E.O.S. Off the top with her. Great spot. It is a good spot.

It was interesting how it all came together, you know, because when you go off the top there, as somebody that has been a part of a war games match, boy, it's not just the top of the cage, it's also where your head is, you know, because it's where your eyes are. So cage is how high, and then your head is up there?

I'll tell you what, looking down looks a lot further than you thought it was going to when you were standing up there and standing on the ground and looking up there. Couldn't imagine. I mean, craziness, absolutely crazy. Those people in the ring, like, they were days for so long. Yeah, they were.

Well, you kind of get hypnotized by the whole moment. Look how high that person. It will. Oh, boy! You know, that's kind of how it all goes. It's good, though. Go watch. Let's go to the next ever reaction, shall we?

Colin Groom, at Colin Groom. Hashtack, I don't want to overreact. But? Matt LaFour is in his bag, bullying his way through the NFC North, and he's doing it from his barber's chair. The Packers will finish the season is the number one seed in the NFC.

Hashtag never a doubt. Ty picks all these overreactions. Why this one for the Green Bay Packers? Just because, a lot of people have been shitting on the floor the last several weeks even when they've been winning and I thought Thursday he coached to win that game

like they were very aggressive on fourth down like they kind of needed to bully the lines to do so and Diggs has been talking about it I basically want to do whatever I can and make sure that Jeff Halfley stays the defensive coordinator of the Packers so anytime I can give the floor all the credit for them winning

and none of it to Jeff Halfley I'm going to continue to do that. That's smart play. That's an ownership move. That's what you are. You're an owner of this Packers team. AJ, they got obviously the Bears a couple times down the stretch. You think the Packers showcased on Thanksgiving that they can be a team that can actually win a Super Bowl? Oh, absolutely. That's why I think almost, because we had a lot of great games yesterday, like you forget about what these guys did on Thanksgiving Day. But yeah, this was, this is one of those things we talked about. This could have been a little

turning point for the Green Bay Packers this year where they kind of put their foot on the gas and don't look back now. Jack White and Eminem. Great. Yeah. Absolutely. A nomination of a half-time show. You know, a lot of people might not know all of Jack White's work or all of the White Stripes work. And then you realize when you're watching,

this guy's a fucking rock star. Will he be entertaining? Yeah, the fucking rock star will be entertaining. I think he will. And the fact that he's actually playing, you know, the fact that he's actually playing, actually singing. And I like the way they set it up with the tight crowd, active crowd. Obviously, this is Eminem directing it and producing it.

And then him coming out to Till I Collapse off of the cadence call, La. That's from one of the mixtapes, I think, from way back in the day. I think it was perfect. I think it was absolutely perfect. And set the tone, you know, for what halftime shows can be. Post Malone in Dallas, I think, you know, having to follow Jack White and Eminem is certainly not a great spot to be in.

Post Malone, obviously platinum certified absolute beast. Didn't have as much, didn't have any guest appearances, didn't have any surprise drop-ins. And then a little joined in. I saw him in the morning at the Macy's Parade. I saw him at the Macy's Parade. Didn't see you. I think they had them up on, like, you know, where you walk out and there's like a landing area in a stadium.

Like right behind the goalpost. Yeah, it felt like he was up on one of those as opposed to on the field. So, John, let him fucking explode the space. Let him explore the space out there. Oh, he turned up the fucking Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. He turned it up. He showed up in there, and literally everybody, even in your living room, you had to, McKenzie, my daughter started, then K-pop girls went.

The Damon Hunters? Yeah, Dinklers. Huntricks or something. something like that. They're fucking good at getting demons and singing. Yeah, yeah. Catch your tunes. Daughter loves it.

All right. Last one here from Sleeper Chiefs. Hashtag I don't want to react. But? The Chiefs are dead until we're not after we beat Houston. Win and look great. Losing look pitiful. Nothing makes sense.

Nobody knows what the hell is going on in the league. The AFC is wide open and we might miss the freaking dance. I don't even want to be around anymore. All right. On that note, that's football, baby. Let's watch tonight. Who do you have again? Patriots.

Me as well. Debutt? I go to Giants. I like that, D-Butt. Boys, great work. Let's enjoy the hell out of this. It's December. It's meaningful football time. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your life

and for doing this for a living. You're the greatest people on Earth. Be your friend, tell the friend something nice. I'll change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three.

Team. Goodbye.