The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1464 - TNF Preview, Dan Orlovsky, Texas Tech NIL Stalwart/Oilman Cody Campbell, Coach Mike McCarthy, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys preview tonight’s Thursday Night Football game between the Cowboys and Lions, and look ahead at this weekend’s slate as they set the table for week 14 of the NFL season. Joining the progrum to chat about tonight’s game, his thoughts on the 49ers moving forward and if they can make a run, and why the Bears passing game might be the thing that prevents them from winning a Super Bowl is 12 year NFL veteran at QB, ESPN NFL analyst/QB guru, Dan Orlovsky. Next, former offensive lineman for the Indianapolis Colts, and co-founder and co-CEO of Double Eagle Energy Holdings/Texas Tech Board of Regents member, Cody Campbell joins the show to outline how he’s trying to save college athletics as a wide majority of athletic departments are operating on a deficit, and many college sports programs are getting cut as a result. Later, Super Bowl Champion, former Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys, Mike McCarthy joins the show to chat about why he really likes the Cowboys tonight, his philosophy when it comes going for it on 4th down, how he would have Jaxson Dart protect himself, and how excited he is for this weekend slate. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble Abode, the Thunderdom. On this NFL week 14 kickoff Thursday, December 4th, 2025, this program begins now. Football! It is magical, and the NFL kicks off its 14th week tonight in a massive Amazon Prime, primetime matchup, which has playoff ramifications, which will be a storyline throughout the entire slate for the NFL this week, but the Cowboys, who might be the best team in football right now. Now, at the beginning of the season, they certainly weren't, and there was a lot of changes that were made, and Jerry Jones was saying,

hey, I'm looking for $100 billion in natural gas. I don't care about the Dallas Cowboys defense right now. Well, everybody else around the Dallas Cowboys cared about the defense because where they ranked and how they looked, and then all of a sudden, Iberfleu starts really cooking. Quinn comes in there, starts doing his thing. Logan starts doing his thing, and then all of a sudden, they got a front four that becomes an impenetrable.

wall. And then on the offensive side, they might have the best duo in all the ball and CD in George Pickens, let alone Ferguson. And then what Dak Prescott's been doing has been out of control. Shottie seems to have the entire team bought into what his culture is going to be. And special teams wise, they got studs everywhere. So it's like, are the Dallas Cowboys who are maybe a little bit of a laughing stock, both in the off season and also at the beginning of the season, are the Dallas Cowboys the best team in ball? And then they're taking on a team that just, you know, we saw it on Thanksgiving. Jack White and M&M crushed it.

I would like for them to potentially think about doing that tonight. That'd be a lot to ask, obviously, out of Jack and M&M, just to be doing this on a regular basis. But, boy, they were the best part about the Detroit City whenever they were hosting Thanksgiving for the entire world. The numbers are up for these Thanksgiving games. 57 million or something, watch the up. 7.2.

57.2 million for the other one. a 700 bagillion for the other one. I mean, the numbers are insane. So a lot of people just watch the lions do what the lions do. And then a lot of people just watch the Cowboys do what the Cowboys do. So it makes you wonder, well, how does the public feel about this particular game? Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP tone.

Monkey see Monkey do. I think it's a Pavlov's dog thing. If we see a team do really good, y'all, we like them. And then when you see a team not too good, nope, we don't like them. Lions favored by three, what are the numbers for tonight and what should we be thinking about? Yeah, there's always a lot of recency bias in the gambling world. Lions minus three across the board. There's no two and a half.

There's no three and a halves out there as we speak. 78% of the bets are on the Cowboys with 83% of the money on the Cowboys. So it's not like, oh, there's like, you know, smaller bets. $10 bet. And then larger ones coming to the Lions. No, no. It seems to be all Cowboys tonight. And they've won three in a row.

The Lions are two and two. last four. And obviously when 50 million people are watching you on Thanksgiving lose versus win against the Chiefs, you're going to get a lot of public sentiment towards you for tonight's game. Seventy-eight percent has hit this year already. We feel good about an 80 percent of potentially. Yeah, on Thursday nights they've hit. I remember specifically Ravens and Dolphins there being like 75, 78 percent around there and the Ravens covered that one. Pat's Jets as well. Yes. So Thursday night has been the night that the books have been getting got, I should, I would say.

Okay, so let's just continue to add stats to feed these theories, okay? Sure. Okay, Hempos sent over some, what the Lions defense does, and then what DAC does against said defense. Well, the Lions play defense, man defense, 60% of dropbacks, okay? At 60% we got guys, okay, our guys need to do their damn job. Jack Prescott, whenever he's targeting man-to-man coverage, 10 yards per 10, 15.8 yards per completion, 95.5, QBR out of 100.

Okay, so whenever you have two number ones, whenever they're going, and man, they need to have two number ones at corner as well. Normally there is a one, and then there's another one. They got a lot of faith, obviously, in their guys. They do it more than damn near everybody else. But George Pickens and C.D. Lamb have kind of been put together because of that particular

man-beating operation. Now, George Pickens might be the best wide receiver in ball. I apologize to Jackson Smith and Jigba, okay, for even saying that. I put that out a tweet because his picture from draft day whenever he got drafted to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and he was wearing a size

and he's standing there like this, just an absolutely absurd scene to come from your draft night. The fact that he has really hit his max ability in this Dallas Cowboys offense is very lethal and crazy to think about if you're the Cowboys and if you're able to retain him. I think his price is going to be very, very large

after what he's already showcased this season thus far. And then C.D. Lam's always been a number one. Already been paid as a number one. So whenever you have two number ones, now that offsets everything that's happening on the defense side and they've been explosive against these things. as a defense, and they've been explosive every time we see them on TV. So I'm

pumped that they are playing in prime time tonight. I'm pumped that the Detroit Lions are playing because Dan Campbell's going to make some decisions that are going to be electrifying as well. This should be a great game in meaningful football season as we kick off week 14 of the NFL season. The toxic tables here at Boston

Connor and at Ty Schmidt, Ty Schmidt, Lions, big one for the NFC north here. Because everybody thought this brand new Lions was about to potentially run the north for some time. And then now the Chicago Bears get something from the Lions. That was apparently very important piece in Ben Johnson. They're starting to cook. Jordan loves playing his best ball. The Detroit Lions all of a sudden had a window. Have they lost it because the amount of turnover that success comes with it? Or what do you think

tonight proves for the Lions? I'm not ready to count them out just yet because I believe like if Jamir Gibbs is playing his best football, he's one of the best players in the NFL and he's the kind of guy who can rip off an 80-yard or 70-yard touchdown anytime he touches the ball. But you just mentioned it a little bit ago. I think it is going to be a close game and the Lions, like when they've been on this little Schneide here, them not taking points and going for it on fourth down. I don't know what the stats would say, but I just think back to Thanksgiving. One of the times they get stuffed on fourth down, first play, the Packers throw a 50-yard touchdown, and then it's like the game gets blown open and everything changes.

So if you think it's going to be a close game, is Dan Campbell going to show a willingness to just take points and be okay with that? Or is he going to kind of do what their MO is and continue to go for it on fourth and short? And what Dan will say is we are who we are. This is who we've been. This is why we've had success. And the last seven times they've gone for it on Fort Down. It hasn't worked. Oh, for the last seven. Okay. Weeks one through 10, 13 of 18. That's a very high When you're hitting those, that's bonus. Hey, we're getting house money here. We're stealing a possession. We're stealing a possession. We're stealing a possession. We're stealing a possession. As opposed to giving a ball back, which could have potentially happened in the past or just taking three points. You're stealing a possession. This is kind of how the new lions have been been. There are no risket, no biscuit type operation up there. And then when it doesn't go your way, everybody's like, hey, doofus, water's kind of finding this level right now. This is inevitable with the way it had been going your direction. But it's gone ice cold. If that heats up, though, If they're fourth downs, heat up tonight. There's a chance that they, once again, become the brand new lions.

But Foxx, I think all you Lions fans are a little bit worried that this might not be the same old brand new lines that we've come to know. Yeah, I'll tell you what, there are a lot of people that are sick of the fourth down crap. And I see O for seven, and I think MCDC sees that. And he goes, we're due, man. We're due for converting a couple fourth downs. So I don't see him changing at all. I actually think tonight is an MCDC game. I think we get back to our roots.

grit physical toughness we punch them in the mouth run the ball with gibbs control the clock i really like what we're going to do tonight it's a playoff game all the analytics say whoever loses tonight will not make the playoffs i think ford field is going to be absolutely rocking tonight okay so let's talk about some of the rammies that you were referring to there's a lot of them here in week 14 a lot of games where the odds with a win much much better than the odds with a loss and all the teams are playing each other or obviously doing the battle. So whenever you talk about tonight, Cowboys currently have a 35% chance from making it. You know, they got a hard road, especially with how they started. If they lose tonight, 8% chance. Now, what does that mean?

That means like expected outcomes of future games that they would need to go different ways. And we all know how everything is at predicting it. But nonetheless, detrimental to the Cowboys' success this season, if they were to lose to the Lions tonight in front of the lions, they go from about a 60% chance to less than a quarter chance of making it. Colts, 88% where we're sitting right now. We got a lot of wins. We got a lot of wins earlier. And if we beat the Jags or it's good. If we lose the Jags, we drop down to 58%.

And then guess what? We got the San Francisco 49ers. And then we got Seahawks. And then we got the Texans again. And then we got the Jags again. Jags with a loss, 75%. With a win, 85%. Why are they sitting in such a good spot? Steelers, 65% chance because they won a lot of games early.

Yeah, a timebreaker. They were winning games and all that stuff. They lose to the Ravens, which is a massive rivalry, especially in the AFC North. 18% chance going forward. Yikes, all the Steelers fans will be louder than they'd even already become. And then on the opposite side of that, the Baltimore Ravens fans have gotten pretty loud, too, about maybe not having a team that could win a Super Bowl this year. Currently sitting at 76% chance to make the playoffs,

AFC North favorites, even whenever they were in a slump, everybody had faith in them. They did not play great against the Bengals at home in prime time on Thanksgiving. If they were to lose to the Steelers at home, a 31% chance of making it. And then Texans, 76%. They've been on a little bit of a run. It's good football team, number one defense in the league. A loss with 37%. And then the Chiefs detrimental to everything they have

and who knows what the future conversation is if they were to lose to the number one defense in the league. Cool, yeah. Okay? So let's Houston Texans. Everybody sees the Houston Texans and they go like, no, I remember they weren't good. Remember? And then C.J. Strau was hurting all this stuff.

They're not a good team. Like on the defensive side, they got a head coach named Domeko Ryans, who is a freak show. He got the head coaching job because he was the coordinator for the Niners. And everybody talks about Robert Sala, whenever he was defense coordinator for the Niners, and back being the defense coordinator for the Niners, having a good time and dominating everything like that, certainly warranted it. Tomiko did the same shit there. And then he got the head coaching job back at the place where he played.

And what he has created on the defensive side, and what they've invested in on the defensive side is a problem. And the Colts obviously ran into this Houston Texans team this last weekend. But it is not a fun game to watch the Houston Texans defense playing against your team. They are so good. They are everywhere. They wrecked the game. And for the Kansas City Chiefs, they've kind of had some issues this year. Have they figured that out?

The Houston Texans defense will give us a big yes or no. And not only do the percentages, but I think for the eye test. Week 14 is cooking here, Conman. Yeah, it's unbelievable, especially we were talking about tonight. Like the biggest thing is the prime time games always. Those are the most eyes. Chiefs being Sunday night football, Eagles Chargers, which is a different conversation. But tonight with the Cowboys, like, we talk about the brand new lines.

The same old Cowboys would be a conversation if they lose because everyone's finally like, hey, the Cowboys are great, they're great, they're great, they're great. Them losing kind of makes sense, but I personally think it is kind of a brand new boys. You see Schaenheimer on the sideline talking about how much he loves football. Hard Knox is awesome. Incredible this year. Yeah, great time to have the NFCs. But, you know, a lot of the conversations about CD and Pickens and Dak, Javante Williams,

they finally have a running back. They finally have a running game. I think that's why all these guys are playing so well. A couple of key positions out. I believe Tyler Guyton is out. Yes. Their tackle, starting tackle for the Cowboys, that'll be huge. Something to watch for the Lions. Penn A. Sewell and

Taylor Decker, both questionable. Not sure if Decker matters as much because they're kind of calling him a revolving door at left tackle, but Sewell being out would be huge. It's very interesting to see how this game starts out. It's one of those, hey, If the Lions do, to Foxy's point, run the ball, control the clock,

can the Cowboys offense ever really get going? I can't wait for this one tonight. Is this a little stink like Duky a little bit? Is there a little Duky stink to this? We just watched the Lions do what the Lions just did. We just saw what the Cowboys did, what they just did. We saw that injury report right there. I mean, that's a for the Lions.

Big players. Big time. Yeah, a lot of known names there. It's a Thursday night game. You know, just normal Thursday night game stuff with injuries. You can steal a by week almost with the short week. and just kind of get somebody back for meaningful football afterwards. Now, Cowboys don't really have meaningful football afterwards if they lose tonight's game.

So it's a playoff or bust-type mentality and everything like that. But that's a lot of names on that injury report list. With the question, quest, quest, quest, you know, questionable, obviously, is not, that's not a good stage. No. Questionable is down here on stage. There's doubtful. Probably good. Yeah, there's probable up here and then, you know, limited up here.

The question was way down. That's a lot of names, and they're still favored by three. I would expect most of those guys on that list to play. Basically, the talk all week has been St. Brown. Is Amman Rae St. Brown going to play? And they're saying that every day he's getting better. He has a sprained ankle right now. So it's really just a toughness thing.

It's not like that thing can get worse. So I personally would be shocked if he didn't go tonight in a game where we have to win tonight. Yeah, the Sun God is an absolute dog. Let's go to some stats that actually say if Amman Ra is playing, that could be great news, especially against his cowboy. defense. Now, once again, Cowboys' defensive stats are throughout the entire season. They were ass.

Like, they were dokey, dokey, dokey, dokey. Very much. At the beginning of the season. They were, everything DB, Bad D. Hall of Fame. Quad box, bad. I mean, that's how bad they were at the beginning. So the overall defensive stats are tough to go off of with what the current Cowboys defense is, post-trade deadline, post-figuring out what Iber Flusis' defense actually is.

Like, that is a much different time. than now but nonetheless what they're not great about at jerry golf and amon ross st brown kind of eat at so that could be where the weakness is we assume sun god will play as well and shout to detroit for being detroit that's right join us now as a guy who's uh connecticut strong ladies and gentlemen well that's that that's not a thing it's boston strong that is actually a thing okay let's not do let's not put that yeah you're right okay i don't there's no reason to even think about doing that actually with what bunch He's Connecticut sharp shop.

Yeah, Connecticut cool. This guy's more like Farm Strong. Hey, the guy that's about to join. There ain't no farms that are that strong as they are in Western Massachusetts. Okay, if we're doing this whole New England thing, let's just do like Connecticut, Connecticut Kind. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, a man who's Connecticut Kind, Dan Oroofsky. Yeah, Dan, oh. Right next to a farm.

We're up right next to a farm. I didn't say there weren't. I didn't say there weren't any farms. I said they weren't farms like they are in Western Massachusetts. Yeah, it'll make them like they used to. And you grew up next to the farm. I know your ass never touched a single thing on that property. I know that.

I can tell by the call. No, dude, I used to live on that farm. I used to create a lot of trouble. I used to take baseballs and kill squirrels with them. What is wrong with you? Domber stuff, little dommer stuff, sounds like. Happy you're able to do that. Did you do any cow tipping or anything like that?

Just try to kill any other animals? Absolutely cow tipped in high school. Okay, jeez, Luis. This guy's the worst. I didn't know that. Me neither. I thought he was a great guy. Did you get chased off any of this land with a double barrel,

say, get off of touch, stop touching my goddamn cows. Did you get any of that? No, there is one great story. Let's hear it. I don't feel totally great telling it, but I'm too much of a sucker. So I would come home. I would be responsible for having to tape my house key to school every day. I'd get home.

There would be nobody home so I could open. the house to get in and when i made mistakes my dad wasn't too happy about it so um i had forgotten my key a couple times that did not go well so i forgot it this one day and i was just to a point i was like i don't want that happening again so i instead of telling the truth went and hid in the farm at like this entrance point behind the fence in the i think there was snow in the ground but it was definitely cold out stay there for hours been there police are driving by cop cars coming by this and that i come like sprawling out like wobbly stumbling i kind of take a little bit mud dirt all that face rip a shirt this and that

tell my dad i got jumped on the way home blah blah blah this is what happened i hid from the people i'm talking to the cops the cops are asking me for a little bit more detail i'm struggling to give the detail, end up that they call my bluff, my dad calls me bluff, never actually got jumped, this and that. So I went through a pretty extensive lie as a teenager, and that was the only time I really had the issue with the farm. Yeah, yeah. Were the cops, was it a missing child report was filed?

Yes. Oh, man. Oh, because you didn't want to face a little accountability, not a little bit, I guess. I guess a pretty sturdy accountability there. love that you had to come up with an idea as you freeze your ass off how you could have lost the key. Oh, I got my ass beat. Geez, what are I going to do?

Yeah, I got jumped, dad. Then they took the key out of my pocket and said they were going to rob the house and then they ran away. And then, ah, Dan, you're the best. I love it. I love it you're all in on everything, Dan, which takes us to this. Dak Prescott and the Cowboys, are you all in on them being the best

team in ball right now at the moment? And are you all in on the fact that maybe the lions aren't going to get it done? this year. What is your kind of storyline about the two teams this evening? Lions favored by three. Cowboys getting 78% of the bets and 83% of the money. So it feels like what the sports books feel like about tonight in the public who just watched on Thanksgiving two very different outcomes for these teams, kind of seeing it differently. How do you see it, Dano? Yeah, bad matchup for Detroit. Detroit defensively wants to line up and play man coverage.

If you line up and play man coverage tonight against this Dallas offense, I would throw it 40 times. you can't cover both C.D. Lamb and George Pickens one-on-one. Detroit's just not healthy enough, not good enough to do that. What they've done, Dallas, ever since they've acquired George, and he started to come on. They put George by himself. They put C.D. away from him. And Dak Prescott goes, are you playing George Pickens one-on-one. If you are, I'm going to throw him to football.

You're not good to cover him. If you want to favor, George, if you want to lean towards George, then C.D. is going to be the guy that gets the ball. So one of the most important people to meet tonight for Detroit is Calvin Shepherd, their defensive coordinator. He's got to change the scheme. He's got to play a little bit more zone, a little bit softer, give up yards, play great red zone defense. You just don't have the horses to defend this offense. Guantziti tried to, and you saw when it, you know, when it came, push come to shove, they're just not good enough. Easier said than done, but you just can't

play man coverage against this team. Yeah, I think the thing about Dak, playing the best ball he's ever played, and is it because he has another number one wide receiver? Like, is that kind of an expectation of DAC at this point? Like, we don't really talk about Dak as greatest quarterback in the NFL ever. Okay? I don't think that ever happens. Yeah, he's played at a high level for a couple years,

but this is certainly as good as it's ever been. The best way I describe Dallas's offense is, imagine the Bengals offense having a good offensive line and run game. Because with those two receivers in the way that Dak's playing, past game-wise, it is very similar to Cincinnati's,

where you just sit there and go, you want to throw every play because they're so good, but then you go, well, you know, Cincinnati's offense has been just catch and throw football for years. That's not Dallas. Dallas will get under center. They'll go with some extreme play action. They'll move the launch point. They'll take their shots downfield. And then also it's a very good offensive line. And that's not what Cincinnati has. So for everybody at home, just imagine Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins with a diverse scheme and good offensive line. That's how difficult this offense is to handle. And Dak's a dog. We're learning that once again through Hard Knocks. I think we forgot because we don't really see much of Dak. He does his media and then it's pretty guarded down there in Dallas. I feel like I don't really know much about him even though I know that the Cowboys are on TV all the time. And I know the conversation is like that Dallas is not going to win. They're not going to be able to win. But then we watch Hard Knocks and it's like, Dak's a dude. Like he is somebody that I think team would want to play for. And I like their trenches mentality or bunker mentality where,

when they trade Mike O'Way, who has certainly worked out, five years straight, first five years, 12 sacks at least, first player to ever do that in the history of the NFL. That was a cool moment whenever he was told that information with his entire family there. But they were said to you guys stink, you're not good. So they can really rally around that. It feels like they like shoddy a lot as well.

I don't know how much you're watching Hard Knocks, but it's like that building looks like a healthy place. That looks like a very healthy place right now whenever it was not being talked about like that at all, Dano. Yeah. I haven't seen the Hard Knocks yet. saw some of the viral clips, like the moment between Dagg and

James seemed like super cool, just the fact that they have that relationship seems awesome. I think one of the things that has been surprising watching this team and how Schottanoimer post game just handled, obviously, the slow start, the tragedy with

Neeland, and the way that they've played is, how come he didn't get a chance sooner? It is one of the questions that has popped in my head. He comes from a rich family background or football background and he's been to a lot of different organizations and it's it's surprising to me to watch how well he's handled and managed it all and still played at a high level that he never really got this opportunity beforehand you know jerry jones sitting in the press conference this

year saying i'm taking a risk you know if anybody knows risk it's me and i'm taking a risk with this guy and i think a lot of us who you know just you know been around locker rooms and different coaches are sitting there going this guy seems to be great in this this role, let alone, you know, taking advantage of it. And so I've become a huge, I don't know Brian Schenheimer. I've become a huge fan of his. And tonight's a playoff game. Again, that's crazy. That's crazy six, seven weeks ago. This team was left for dead, rightfully so. The fact that they're in a playoff game, and I think in many ways expected to win by a lot of people, it is a testament to the job he's done. You're so cool for doing six, seven weeks ago instead of like seven, eight weeks ago

or five, six weeks ago. That was really cool. I was not intentional, I promise. Okay, we know how you do it. Just like yesterday you did that the same thing. But to your point, they've had playoff games basically for the last five weeks, I would say. Every game has been like a playoff game, and they've shown up and delivered. And for a first year head coach like that in a brand new place. And I remember, you know, when Jerry decides to move on from Coach McCarthy, who we will be talking to in the second hour today, can't wait to catch up with him.

He has no ill will towards any of it. Coach McCarthy has no ill will towards the Cowboys, towards Shottie, towards anybody or anything. It's almost like it was a perfect situation, seemingly in McCarthy's eyes. He's going to live his life a little bit and then also still be a part of ball. And Jerry has now got a chance to, he missed the coaching cycle, remember? Because Vraibes was already, there was already everybody hired before he even decided to move on. We called him an idiot.

This guy's an idiot. Lost his fastball. Fucking missed the coaching cycle. This guy has no idea what he's doing. And then he hires Shottie. And to your point, the reaction nationally is this. This guy's not prepared for the job or ready for the job. We see him at the Combine.

Look like the same exact guy that we had here in Indianapolis. I was lucky to be on a team when Shottie was on a team coaching. He was super cool dude, very casual, got along with everybody. Obviously loves ball, grew up in a building so you understand that he understands what it's all about. So him getting the opportunity and crushing it when everybody thought it was a stupid and bad hire. And then Jerry Jones just going, I still got it. Coach, plate D-end, wide receiver. linebacker, nose tackle.

I mean, he's making plays all over the place. And everybody's saying, I lost it. What's the most important position? Quarterback already got him. Okay, and by the way, his fourth round. Okay, Jerry. Now, let's go to, what's the other position? Head coach?

Oh, yeah. Got him. Got another guy out of here who we love McCarthy. Hired from within, though. We knew this was the process. We had him prepared. We had him ready. Boom.

What about defensive end of the most important position? Well, now we got four pitch instead of just one guy. And guess what? We got now D tackle and we got a lineback. I held that in my back pocket. And I got $100 billion from natural gas. I'm fucking Jerry Jones. Like he is, he's got to feel so good about where he's at.

But if they lose tonight and the playoffs are off the table, it's all over. Jerry walks out with all those, all those recorders around his face. And all they're asking him is too little too late, Chair. Maybe you should have been paying attention earlier, yada, yada, yada. And it'll be all collapsing. And on the lion's side of this, if they lose tonight at home, again, it's it's tough times up there for what

the Lions were supposed to be or going to be and I know they Philadelphia Eagles whenever they had to do the turnover of their coordinators there was one year and then they they go and win a Super Bowl. Is that just the mindset in Detroit if you guys lose tonight or what do you think it would be? 100%. Have not lost back-to-back games in 14 games now.

So if something changes tonight, then we know we got to reset. Dan, from your perspective, the Lions as a hole. Because obviously last year, they're clicking, they're jelling, they look great, they're on time, they're on schedule, everything is great. From your perspective, what's the number one difference this year that you've noticed of this Detroit Lions team? Yeah, one, the interior of their offensive lines, not nearly as good as it used to be.

The best center in football retires, that's not going to be the case. So that went from strength to weakness. And then everything builds off that. The second thing is very different when it comes to advantages created by, scheme. You know, this was a team that would constantly create advantage in scheme, whether it was in their run game, their past game, their play action game, their gadget game, and it has not been the consistent case this year. There's been moments when it looked like it was trending that way, but not nearly consistent. This was an organization that was built up front. It was built through

the trenches years ago when Brad Holmes took over, and it just has been a slow decline from the back end of the last year into this year, and specifically on the interior of their offensive line. You know, Poxy, you've got a quarterback that, you know, thrives when you protect him. When he's clean and he's got a pretty decent pocket, he could throw it with anybody. But when that's not the case, he's not the same quarterback. That doesn't mean he's still not a good player, but he needs that protection. He's not Patrick. He's not Lamar.

And so when that team has or that unit has taken a step back and you don't create as many advantages in scheme, then there's going to be a step back with the offensive performance. And so I would tell you tonight, though, tonight just, like, I think Dallas wins that game tonight, Foxy. But I will say this. Jeez. But this feels like a game that Dan Campbell turns into a rugby match, not a track meet. I'm putting Dan Skipper on the field. We're going to –

Jamir again becomes Christian McCaffrey. Like, he becomes Christian McCaffrey. It's 30 to 35 touches. I don't care how they happen, but he's getting 30 to 30 to 5. If he goes over 200 all-purpose yards, I think that's the best way for Detroit to win. And it's got to become like an ugly, nasty, physical, dirty football game for Detroit to win. Jamir Gibbs getting 200 yards in the Detroit Lions winning.

Seems like that would make sense if Jamir Gibbs. One player was able to go under 200 yards by himself, which he has certainly done in the past. It's a good sign of success. This is just like when people talk about the Colts. Like when Jonathan Taylor rushes for this, they win the games. it's like, well, when Jonathan Taylor rushed for that much, we're playing good football. It's not just that.

Like, there's a lot of other stuff that kind of go into it. So hopefully MCDC can turn back, you know, the time of the offense one year, you know, whenever they were creative and Ben Johnsoning. And now you look at the Chicago Bears, they can't even really complete a pass efficiently and they are all over the place. And now maybe it takes a year to kind of refresh that. Or tonight they beat the Dallas Cowboys in the line and say, we're all the way back.

Let's talk about a couple of the other teams. I just mentioned the Colts there. We don't have to dive in all the way. We know the offense is different whenever Danny Dimes can't run. Now, I've been told he had friends at Duke who started a company who made a 3D printer protector for his leg. It wraps around it perfectly. So it pays to have smart friends.

He says, ha, ha, and this is hopefully going to make him more healthy and hopefully more confident, I guess, in this entire process, because he's going to have a massive amount of pain at all times. That definitely affects us. but we have a very tough stretch down the road. One of those games involves another team that might go on a Super Bowl run, but nobody could have expected. Go ahead, Con, man.

Yeah, Dan, the two teams, or sorry, the team that the Lions and Cowboys are trying to replace in the playoffs right now is the 49ers. They're on the buy this weekend. Do you think they can make a run? We've kind of talked about it on here a couple of times. They've had so many injuries on defense, but Bob Sala is still drawn it up. And then, to Pat's point about the Colts,

They do run into each other, the Niners and the Colts, in a couple weeks on Monday night football. Colts go at Jags, at Seattle, and then host the Niners. But how do you feel about this Niners team? Brock Purdy seeming to hit his stride again, Juan Jennings, basically making everybody in the NFL hate him, but he's still balling out, Kittle McCaffrey. Iukes never playing football again in the Niners uniform, it seems like. But do you like the Niners, Dano? Do you think they're going to stay that seven seed kind of stay in the playoff?

hunt or do you see them kind of having a tough road to finish the season? Yeah, I mean, Powell Shanahan has been to three Super Bowls. This is his best coaching job. I mean, Connor, you kind of intimated to have, but just for the context, two starting different quarterbacks. They're all pro tight end is missed

significant time. They're number one. They're number two. Their number three, wide receiver have missed significant time. Their number one, wide receiver has not played. Their defense lost their best player. Their defense lost their second best player and their first round defensive draft pick. So this team's been decimated by injuries. I think they'll get in the playoffs. I do. I do not believe that they can go

on a Super Bowl run. I would be shocked if the Super Bowl representative from the NFC is not either the Los Angeles Rams or the Seattle Seahawks. I think those two teams are clearly the best teams in the NFC right now. Green Bay probably a blink below them. What about the Bears? What about the Bears? So once you don't go on, you don't go on a Super Bowl run with that past game right now. The past game's improved. what it was last year, but you don't. It's the best run game or one of the best run games in football, but past game

wise, it's just not good enough to go on to Super Bowl run. Got it. I understand what you're saying. I don't have any more arguments against what you said there, because these stats are alarming. And I, just watching the Bears games in one of the quad boxes, not watching every single snap and like, kind of

paying attention. And you're just seeing the Bears have this run that they're having, it's like I only see Caleb throw touchdown passes. That's the red zone. That's the red zone effect. They need to stop with what they're doing, with what they're doing. I can't be doing that anymore. Don't ruin.

Two minutes. They're kidding me. Yeah, too much, you said. Two minutes. I'm not diving into it all. But Caleb Williams, I just have been assuming that he's been doing incredible stuff. Had the game winner where he gets the edge against the Giants, I think, a couple weeks back. And then he has all these incredible throws and everything like that.

And then the stats start coming out. And then you hear Coach Ben Johnson say, like, hey, we're winning in spite of our past game. I'm like, I don't know. I've seen some great past games. And then the stats start coming out, and it's like, oh, I guess on a play-to-play basis, he's just still not there yet. You know, like the timing of offense and being on time and hitting just like classic slant here, classic stop, like classic, those throws still not hitting at a majority of a clip. Is that what you're saying? And what are these stats are saying?

Yeah, and it's all 11 of their offense in the past game taking part. I would tell you it's route discipline ball location. There's an incompletion that he has to the right sideline against Philly, which is a deep out to DJ Moore, and I think it encapsulates their past game because you see a throw as the end result, and you go, gosh, Caleb, that ball's two yards behind DJ Moore. And I would sit here and tell you, well, when the ball leaves Caleb's hands, DJ goes like six more yards into his route.

There's no way that that should be the case. So is it Caleb drops just a fraction too fast? Should he hold it and take another hitch? Does DJ go one revolution too much in his route? And he therefore ends up deep. And therefore, because the ball is out of the quarterback's hand so quickly, is a misthrow rather than a completion. And so I think that they're still searching for the everybody being on the same

page details of the timing of the past game receivers you know i grew up with mike martz as a coach of mine and he was notorious for saying as a receiver be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there never full the quarterback and it looks like at times that receiving for still searching to get that and caleb's trying to be on the same page as well so he's improved he's been clutch. He's made plays, has created way less problems for himself than he did last year, but the past game still leaves a lot to be desired. Okay, and that's all reps, right? That's all timing, reps. That's all being on the same page and all that type of stuff. I talk about this a lot, but it was an opportunity to watch just greatness kind of operate. During the lockout, there was

workouts being put together by players, you know, by themselves. And I got a chance to be a part of a couple of the offense ones led by Peyton. The time, the amount of times that Reggie, number one wide receiver, ran same route, they ran same route, same drive. I mean, it was like 10 straight times all out, same rep, same exact thing. And then they go to the next one,

then to the next one, then to the next one, then to the next one, then in the next one. And then he got like Dallas Clark doing like 15, hard, same exact routes. And it's like the amount of reps that went into the timing, of like second they knew that it was all we are orchestrating something here that is all being timed perfectly so it's basically unguardable is what they are trying to do there as you kind of drop off but it's like that's a reps thing right that's all like a that's a very much a need to

work together type thing yeah and yes because at the end of the day the starting point for high level past games is quarterback throws the ball in the NFL quarterback throws the ball before the receivers are open and that's that whole premise of throwing guys open now these types of throws where you know quarterbacks are a little bit more on the move or whatnot guys are going to be you're not throwing with as much anticipation as you would a pocket passing game pocket pass game in the NFL you're throwing the ball before the receivers open and i would tell you more often than not receivers never see the quarterback if you hear great receivers talk about catching passes, those receivers, when they come out of their cut,

they're not snapping their head back looking for the quarterback. You watch good receivers, and when they came out of a break, whether it's an out route, a comeback, and in route, their eyes immediately go up to the sky, up to the air, because they're searching for the football. They're not peeking to see, do I see the quarterback? You can't see the quarterback because the offensive linemen are huge. And so, you know, for a quarterback,

I have to throw the ball to a spot more often than not. and trust that you're going to get to that spot at the right time. And so that's why it just takes countless reps. And then you're, that's on air. Then we're adding in a defense, a defender, moving parts, your route being bumped off a yard or a step. And so that's why you're talking about all those reps. Hey, on this out route by DJ Moore, what happens if I get press?

What happens if I get to the top and I get a little bit of, a body tug. And so that's why, you know, those reps and the confidence that is needed by the quarterback to throw the ball because I'm throwing it before you're ready for it. So like I got to believe that you're going to be there or bad things can happen. Dude, CJ, we're watching CJ this past weekend because, you know, with where we're at, we get a chance. There's a couple different times during the field that we are right in the pocket, basically, with C.J. Stroud. He was throwing these balls. He couldn't see shit. I know he couldn't see shit because

I'm right behind him. Everybody, there's a hand in his face and the offensive line and he is just throwing directly to a spot and this thing just levitates to a spot and then boom, Nico Collins is there and it's like he didn't see Nico. Nico, there's no way he saw him in this entire thing.

And he was throwing this, I don't know, maybe 75 miles an hour to a spot and it's like so confident that it was going to be a completion and then we're just walking down and we're doing it again. And then we're doing it again. Yeah. And it's like the anticipation, obviously the accuracy to the spot,

the amount of work that goes into that. But then also having the courage to let that thing fly when knowing a pick six changes an entire game. It's a lot, man. It is a lot. That's why whenever, like, CJ stepped in his rookie year and had so much success, I think everybody was like mind-blown. And when Jaden stepped in and had so much success, it's like in college, there's time,

especially Jaden down at LSU, especially with the guys he had, those dudes don't have somebody within 20 yards of them. And Jaden has eyes on them since before Snap and during the entire thing to do that. So for Jayden to get into the NFL and have no idea where somebody's going to be or where they're supposed to be in Spin It. I think that's the most impressive part about these rookie quarterbacks. So Caleb is going through that right now, I think. I think he's trying to figure that out.

And I don't think that's like an easy thing to get comfortable with. Like, yeah, I'm going to throw it to the phone. No. Who knows? Pat, one of the things that I would tell you is like great throwing quarterbacks, great passing quarterbacks and therefore great passing games. I would tell you the quarterback more so than not is throwing away from the defender than to his guy. A lot of times quarterbacks, I don't want to sit here and tell you that they don't see the receiver.

But against specific zone defenses, like you're throwing more often than not, you're throwing away from defenders to a spot that you know that receiver is going to get to in that past concept. And that's why you'll see Stafford be so capable of throwing no lookers, or Joe Burrow being so capable of throwing no lookers is because they don't really need to see the receiver. I see the defender. And if the defender, if this defender and that defender are there, I know where they're not. And I know where my guy is supposed to get to. But that takes thousands of reps.

And yeah, it's going to take Caleb just time to get there. And that's when we hear people talk about the timing of a pass game. That's why it's not just, you know, the, in shorts, you know, in the backyard or in the practice field, it's not just that timing of I'm running 12 steps on this en route and I'm going five steps on my dropback. It's okay, well, if this defender shoves me, it's just there's so many different variables that can alter the timing of it. But I would tell you, most really high-end passing quarterbacks really don't see receivers. They see defenders and throw away from them.

Well, we'll assume that Caleb we'll be able to get to that point. Jared Goff was there. Will MCDC take advantage of that tonight against the Dallas Cowboys? Will the Bears be able to slay the Packers? We shall see. It's a magical time in the NFL. We appreciate you joining us, Dano, on your way to somewhere in Connecticut. Cool, kind.

Bristol. All right. Tell everybody we said hello up there. Bristol blows. That'd be the Connecticut thing for them. No. Not because of the ESPN. It's called a Bristol.

blast. It's a blast. Yeah. For rats. Just a blast, Connecticut kind. Yeah, all the place. All right, we appreciate you. That's Dan Roloski. Daydato. You worried about Caleb Williams, maybe picking up a little bit of some time and going in

down the stretch here, pal? No. They're a good football team, but what am I supposed to fucking cower up here in my boots because the Packers are playing the Bears? This is the first time the Bears have been good in 20 years. No. This is the best part. We get to find out Sunday. We get to find out. out Sunday. You think Halfley has any chance against Ben Johnson's super brain? Oh, my God.

He's got a chance. And Ben Johnson's shirtless out there. Just some little... It's actually, I don't think it's Halfley because Ben Johnson, right after he got the job, kind of took a shot at LaFleur and his like introductory press conference. And I think a lot of people are like, oh, man, these guys must be buddies. And someone was like, yeah, no, they're not. Like, so they genuinely, I don't think they like each other. So... You think LaFleur's going tarps off before him? Like, do you think there's a chance... The floor is not a tarps off guy. If he waxes his chest, maybe. Yeah, because Jeff Halfley is the tarps off guy.

Oh, really? For LaFlor. Exactly. He would do that. Coach, I got this. He's going to be a great head coach one day. Who? Jeff Hathley. I don't like what you're doing. What's that?

Trying to poach everybody. You have a head coach named Mark Tomlin. He's a Hall of Famer. He's the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers who haven't had a losing season in 20 years. He's about to go on a Super Bowl run. You know what the 10th? Hey, Bay Buccaneer's record was when they went on that Super Bowl run to 2020. They were seven and five.

How many MVP is Tom Brady have? Is it four? I think so. Is it four? Yeah. So does Aaron Rogers. Okay? Let's not give up on the black and gold yet.

Who messaged you and said, hey, you're being a little heavy on the anti-stealer stuff. We still got a chance at this thing. Nobody. Just my natural being is be pissed off for a few days. You know, just what are the stages of grief? Okay, I'm into a positive outcome on the other side of stage of griefs now. Future, future, yeah, hope, hope in optimism for the future is where you're at. Ravens, they're in the same spot the Steelers are.

This is a big fan waiting to murder their team game. That's big, it hasn't been like that in a long time with the Steelers and the Ravens. I don't like, I think it's weird because I think either side, whoever loses, isn't going to be super mad. They're going to be a little mad, but then they're going to be super happy that they can then attack the head coach. The win-win, truly. Yeah, for us, as football fans watching along, the Steelers fans with a reaction to a loss against the Ravens this weekend will be biblical. Ravens fans with a loss to the Steelers this weekend will be biblical.

I mean, you're talking great reactions from two towns that have had head coaches for a long time, long time, and the fan bases have gone. We like you, we appreciate you. We'll definitely write your chapter as a big one whenever we tell the story of the city and everything. see also the next chapter could be the best one we've ever had and we got Lamar Jackson somehow

and we still haven't really so what do we? I actually saw a tweet on the internet of the two guys holding the blue and red bandanas in harmony together. That's the Steelers and Ravens fans this week. We both know that we don't have a chance

in the long run this year so we're just in harmony this week. We're going to watch football games see what happens. All right, well I appreciate that. I appreciate also the fact that there's people who are trying their best to do what's best

for sport and yesterday we had Nick Kahn on president of the WWE also one of the executives leading Zoufa boxing they were having a Congress hearing about the Mohammeda Ali

American boxing not revival enhancement act or something boxing revival act yeah you got it boxing revival but I think he was calling it the Enhancement Act as well. So I think it was a revival and then they're trying to make an enhancement to it so they can modernize it a little bit and then potentially, you know, they feel like up the entire state of the entire sport. And I believe them because they've

always done good things. College sports, obviously, we understand, are very much in the middle of a pretty chaotic situation behind the scenes. College sports, though, are also in the middle of a boom whenever it comes to popularity because people just appreciate great atmospheres, great environments, great passion, great competition. So there's a lot of people that have suggestions on how we can maybe fix the back end of it. And then there's some people who know ball, played ball, understand ball, and also have enough money to be able to sit in the rooms where the people that maybe didn't have as much success in ball and normally have these types of opinions and kind of give his take on it. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now

is a man who is the most successful formal, our former Indianapolis Colt in the history of the Indianapolis Colts, Texas Tech, Red Raider alum, a man who got into all business after being a professional offense alignment, then a dabble in real estate, and then now a man who is trying to at least spearhead a little bit of a different route for college athletics, Cody Campbell. Yay! Okay, hold on, hold on. Okay, so we got bulls, we like bulls down there.

Okay, we like, we like good, long horns down in Texas. we like to drill too listen one man started with a shovel then we got pretty advanced with the rigs that we created this one you will see all over the land and then that last one what's there is that just dust what is the last one

well I didn't know we're going to talk about the old business since we are gotta put this on Cody you are Texas it feels like in a nutshell and what is the last one there so you got the longhorn then you got the oil rig and then is that Oh, no, no, no, no. These are, these back here, these are, these are two eagles.

Our company's called Double Eagle, because my business partner, John Sellers and I both went to Canyon High School, which was, we were the Canyon Eagles and there are two of us. So that's what we named our company. Okay, no, a double eagle, we've talked and learned a lot about, especially as you just go into Morgantown, West Virginia, and Pummel the Mountaineers. Okay, I've learned a lot about double eagle. I'm talking about on your shirt right there, though. I think that's West Texas. Oh, okay, I got you. Yeah, it's West Texas. So we got West Texas.

We got food, fuel, and fiber. So we produced a huge percentage of the beef cattle and dairy cattle. We have the largest oil field in the world in West Texas. And we're the largest cotton, continuous cotton growing region in the world also. So pretty much everything that runs America run through West Texas, including football right now. Okay. All right. Okay, Cody.

And also, it's not just the fact that you're all businessmen. I assume you got some cattle as well. And Hale, I might as well grow some cotton as well in there, Cody Campbell. You wet a Texas legend. But you're also a former professional football player. You know, you're former collegiate athlete. And not only just former professional football player, offense alignment, which obviously is a position that really doesn't get a lot of shine,

involves a lot of dirty work and grit, but also football IQ. So whenever you're kind of representing something, I think me and a lot of other former players are like, if Cody's in on it, we're in on it. What you've been able to do with Texas Tech and the double ego and everything like that, spectacular, but it feels like you're also trying to address like a national problem. I know you want to Washington to speak about that. What are you pitching and what do you think is the answer kind of in the long run for college sports as a whole as you take off your hat and let's go ahead and talk a little sharp here?

Yeah, let's talk business. So, yeah, so, you know, I've got interested in the topic a number of years ago as the law started to change as there were different court rulings that came down. and I helped to start the NIL collective at Texas Tech. Georgia, Texas Tech, I'm now the chairman there, so I got a good understanding of higher education. Of course, as you said, I'm a former player. So I became very interested in, at first, just how can I help Texas Tech take advantage of the chaos that has emerged and how can we best approach our strategy there.

But then as I got into it, I saw how fundamentally broken the system was, and it was broken for reasons that I didn't first understand. initially. And then, you know, have the opportunity to get involved more on the political side because the courts have made it very clear. The Supreme Court has made it very clear that Congress has to act in order to solve the problems that we have right now. There's no other way to do it, unfortunately. I hate to have to lean on the federal government for any kind of solution, but that's where we are. And so I've been spending time in Washington, you know, working with the White House, working on the hill, you know, and trying to find a solution that will comprehensively stabilize the system and make it sustainable for the long run.

That's what I'm concerned about. You know, for me and for you, you know, college football and the opportunity to play sports for any college athlete, it changes your life, opens up doors, provides opportunity for education, it provides our Olympic development pipeline. The impact that it has on women is massive. 94% of women who are in C-suite roles in this country have a sports background. Most people don't know that. 60% of CEOs and companies across America have a call.

sports background. I mean, this is an incredible leadership development tool that we have for this country, and we need to make sure that it's preserved. It changes lives. Plus, you and I, you know, come from similar type places, like how important are the mountaineers to Morgantown, how important are the Red Raiders to Lubbock. You know, places like that, you know, the sports teams and the college sports programs they have are the cornerstone of the social fabric of those places. And so it's worth saving. It's important to people. And I think sometimes people on the coasts don't understand it. But in the South and in the Midwest, we understand how important college sports are, right? And we want to make sure that they're reserved. But right now,

they're in a spot where, you know, the average budget deficit among FBS schools is $20 million per school per year. We have. You said deficit there? Deficit average is $20 million deficit it for the schools across? Because I heard we're all making money, right? They're not making money at all. And the other thing people understand is that there are only two sports that make any money. Football and men's basketball, football makes the vast majority of it. And those two sports pay for everything else. And so right now we have a problem in the way that we monetize our sports. So we have commercialized the cost aspect of it, right? So we're paying the players. We're paying the coaches a bunch of money. But then we have this amateur model that is, you know,

60 years outdated that we use to generate a revenue. And those two things just don't match up. So people are running massive deficits. That $20 million deficit was from 2024. We don't even have the 2025 numbers. 2025 is when it kicked in when the athletic department's going to start paying the players. So there's no telling how big the budget deficits will be for this year. I mean, they'll be unbelievable, totally understandable.

So what you're going to see in the future is schools are going to have to make the choice to either using like basically tuition dollars to pay for these deficits. taxpayer dollars, or they're just going to have to start cutting sports. And the sports they're going to cut are the sports that don't make money. So that's women's sports and that's Olympic sports. So our Olympic pipeline is diminished. The opportunities for women are diminished. And then the sport of football, you know, which you and I played in love, is going to shrink

because a lot of people just can't afford to play it. And for the communities that are affected by that, it's going to be devastated. And so for me, this is something that, you know, I'm not. doing for any other reason. You know, I'm not going to make money off of it. In fact, I'm spending money to do it. I'm spending a lot of time to do it. I'm doing it because I know how important it is to the country. I know how important is my life, to my family, the opportunities that I receive from it. And anybody that playful understands that exact same thing. You know, the biggest challenge you've had is just getting the politicians to pay attention to it,

honestly. Understand the issues. Understand these fiscal problems that we have. Most people think money's falling from trees. It's absolutely not. We're going broke as a system. And we got to fix that. Okay. I appreciate you taking the initiative because obviously the first reaction from people, and we read up on some of the reactions, some of the politicians were like, we should not be spending time on this. We got a lot of other bigger issues. Some people are saying that it's not there yet, whatever the case. And obviously there's TV revenue deals. I think that span until like 2036. Each kind of big conference has a different TV deal that expires at the right time. I think what you're kind of preaching is there should be some sort of better business model for these colleges to exist.

Is that what your pitch is basically in what you're trying to figure out? And have you experienced it at Texas Tech? Because then the next follow-up is, well, this guy's just trying to help Texas Tech. It's like it feels like you're actually not trying, you're trying to definitely are helping Texas Tech. But also, I think what we did here, we can maybe try to do for other places as well so we can just keep the sports, college sports healthy as a whole, right? That's kind of your pitch if I had to kind of take it in? Yeah, so I guess your last question first as far as Texas Tech goes, I mean, we're doing just fine. We've been able to take advantage of all this, all the chaos.

I mean, like I said, we sit on top of the largest world in the world. So, like, if everything falls apart and there's, there are no rules at all, we benefit for it. So I'm actually working against the interest in Texas Tech and what I'm doing in trying to make it so that everyone can survive and everyone can be competitive. So, yeah, people like to paint me as being a Texas Tech guy, but that's just not. Well, you are, though. You are, though, in Texas Tech. I'm going to do, and I'm going to keep doing everything I can to help Texas Tech regardless what the rules are, but there have to be rules.

And, yeah, I mean, folks just don't understand how very important this is and how existential the problem is. And what we're talking about is a solution that's not going to happen overnight. What I'm concerned about is we are, we have seen 182 programs cut this year. I mean, that's a fact, all women's sports and Olympic sports. I mean, that's all because of these budget problems. But problems just going to keep getting worse and worse and worse. But what we're looking at is a solution that we're talking over 10 or 12 years,

we reform the way that we market our media rights, the way that we generate revenue. You know, the NFL is a great example, but the NBA isn't even better one. College football has twice as many viewers as in the NBA does, but college football makes half as much money than the NBA does. And that is all just because of what's called the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 and the rights that professional sports have that college sports don't have. That's part of it. It's also because we don't have a central governing body that coordinates scheduling

and make sure that we maximize viewership and that we have games on the right times when people want to watch them and we don't cannibalize our viewership. I mean, there are weeks, you know, on Game Day, where there are 10 games that you guys probably should be at, right? And then there are weeks where you're like, where are we going to go this week? There's no good, I mean, those are the types of things that we need to fix, right? And there should be no reason that you have a marquee matchup in the Big Ten competing with another marking matchup in the Big Ten on the same, on different networks at the

same time. And that's just bad business, right? And so if we could just fix those problems and run the thing like a business like the NFL has done very effectively, we can increase revenue massively. And that's just common business sense. Hey, Cody, I'm thankful you're signing up to do this, brother, because everybody wants it. Everybody's hoping for it. There's going to be a lot of adversity. There's going to be a lot of people that are going to try to detract from this situation happening. You're the right guy for the job. because it's not just about food. It's not just about oil.

It's not just about cotton. It's about grit and success down there in West Texas. We appreciate the hell out of you, brother. I'm going to bring my shovel down next week. I'm looking to find one of those. We don't do it with shovels anymore. I mean, we'll get you the right equipment, but we'll let you draw over small.

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When you're flying Emirates business class, relaxing in an exclusive airport lounge, you'll see that your vacation isn't really over until your flight is over. Fly Emirates, fly better. Football! It is magical. We're lucky to talk about it every single day. Week 14 of the NFL season kicks off tonight in Detroit Rock City as they host the hot Dallas Cowboys. Now, the Lions are three-point favorites as Dak Prescott travels to town with a litany of talent and also 78% of the public bets. That number has not moved?

Not that I have seen, no. So it's 80% of the bets. It's going to keep going up probably as we get closer to the entirety. I love it. Normally it's settled, sorry, it's down to 77. Okay, 77. All right. So 77, 78%.

It's going to be about 80% and they're not moving the number. They're saying, yeah, just keep going. Just keep doing it. Do what you want to do. We like the Lions favored by three. they're trying to get 50% of money on either side, allegedly, is what they hope to do with the number. They're saying that they don't necessarily look at what the outcome of the game is. We just try to look at what the numbers should be to get 50% of the money on one side, 50% of the

other side. So then we mitigate our losses as opposed to our games. And that's what they're looking for. That is allegedly what they're looking for. So whenever something starts moving to a 78%, 80%, you would normally see sports books potentially react in changing the number to try to keep people maybe going on the other side. Instead, it stays at three the other way. 80% of the money and 80% of the bets are on the other side. And the sports books are like, we're not changing. No matter what you just saw on Thanksgiving, no matter how you feel about either of these teams, no matter what HEMBO stats that they're popping up that say, hey, this Dallas Cowboys offense could cook the most it's ever cooked against this Detroit Lions defense.

The sports books believe the lines still have it. Talks the table at Boss Conner, at Ty Schmidt. Conman, why do you think that is? Why do you think they think the Lions have it at home here? I don't know. I don't know if they do think they have it at home. It feels like they're kind of praying for a push maybe, but I also think that are you really going to put the lines who, Foxy, what's the stat after a loss? 14 in a row. Are you really going to make that team underdogs at home?

13.1 against the spread. Oh. So that's where I kind of stand. I don't know how everybody else does. MCDC O and 7 on 4th Downs. Foxy's point earlier as well kind of feel like that's going to go one way. I also think they might have a little inkling on the injuries. I'm on Raw playing, Petty Sewell playing.

Taylor Decker playing a lot of questionable guys probably actually going to end up going Cowboys are hot, they're rolling, that's why they're getting all those bets. I personally am riding with the Cowboys, I feel great about the Cowboys thought they were going to run the table last week, still feel that way this week. But again, when you feel like that, when all those numbers

are on that one side, history tells us everyone's wrong and it's the line. Yeah, that is why I'm kind of bringing it up, and you made a lot of good points there for the lines, especially if all those guys do end up playing. One half of the Hammer, not Cowboys AP tone is here. And joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a college football national champion

Super Bowl champion rider cup winner ladies of gentlemen AJ Hawke. Hawker, good, see you. Happy Duke Eve, dude. Oh yeah, happy Duke Eve. I eagerly await the announcement. I guess, what, midnight tonight, correct?

That's what it comes out? Yeah, available on all platforms, including Spotify. It's going to be a real song. It's insane that it has happened, obviously. And there's not just one song. There's like seven or eight of them that are going to be coming out here over the next, you know, a couple of months.

Oh, yeah. And this one is, certainly the most shallow of them all, but I will say, you know, it's such an interesting part of the process, because in the open for Oregon, I just kind of freestyle that thing. And then on the long-ass flight, I kind of write it up. And I'm like, wait, this kind of has a little bit of a, then you start talking to the people who actually know music. They're like, let's make it. This feels like something we should make. And then make the song, and then all of a sudden, yeah, let's put it out, let's make a video. And then also, let's make all the

other ones. It's been a wild experience. It's been an absolutely wild experience over the last couple of months, including a lot of incredible kindness from people in Nashville, very talented people in Nashville, reaching out and helping me through this whole process. But yeah, Duke is available. My Spotify page, I think, is up there right now as a musician. It's black and white photo of me smoking. It looks cool. It is cool looking photo. Letting the music people kind of do the music thing. But yeah, this is the first of many coming out. That guy, Seth England, is awesome. He's been so cool and so nice. Co-founder, a big lot. God, and you can go.

Dress is real cool, too. He came through the Thunderdome. What's that? He came through the Thunderdome. Dress is real, real cool as well. Oh, yeah, he's a lot of mox. Yeah, yeah. Seth has a lot of moxie, a lot of swagger.

And he's a beast. And him and Ernest have helped me out so much. And a man named Holman, you know, out of Illinois. This guy has the greatest vibes of all time. So I've had a blast of the entire process, and it's outrageous that this is an actual thing. There you go. But there's real songs coming. There's real songs coming.

And I think we have some. And there's going to be some features by some people that are like real, real musicians. We're trying to do it. We're really trying to do it. I've been writing this shit for so long. And it's like very personal stuff. Like, I think you can kind of hear what stage of life I was in

or what I was going through through these songs and through them, through my notes section. And it's been a very, I don't want to say, it has been. It has been an emotional journey back through my notes sections. It has been a... Storytelling. Yeah, it's been a lot. stories being told throughout there throughout different times of my life and uh yeah dukey is certainly one

of them that was created very recently but all the other stuff is uh i'm very excited for the world to hear and those two dudes have been earnest and jelly that was back when jelly still had a little bit of a belly oh yeah you know that's whenever this all kind of got set in motion so a j happy dukey eve and uh i appreciate the hell out of you great to see you we've missed you yeah it's good to be back Sorry, I had a back-to-back funerals for two legends. My grandpa, and then a guy named Bobby Mansfield. So, yeah, unbelievable. Sucks being a Paul Bearer, like, three times in the last three weeks or whatever.

But, yeah, you talk about it, perspective, you know. I'm lucky to be, you know, I had a lot of awesome people around them. Unfortunately, a couple of them have died recently. Okay, so I didn't, I'm sorry, I didn't feel, I hope you didn't feel like. Yeah, so I don't want to bring it down or anything. No, no, no. I'm saying, I didn't, I'm just, yeah. You didn't bring it down.

You didn't, yeah, he was the man. And it was cool to see the response from people and how. how many different people's lives he has touched and all that. So it was, yeah, awesome to a terrible situation, but getting to see people that you love is awesome. Yeah, so I just wanted you to know that I didn't want to tell your story and I didn't want you to feel obligated to say it. So whenever you just said it right there,

I didn't want you to think that I meant for that to happen. But I would like to tell you, this sucks for you and your family, what you guys have been going through. It's the worst part of this whole life thing. And just know, we love you, brother. And we appreciate the hell out of you. Now, on that note, ball has been something that has helped all of us through, you know, crazy, terrible, difficult times.

And tonight, kicking off week 14 age. We got a great game, not only here, but on Sunday slate, we got great games all over the place. Like, meaningful football season is very much here, and there's a lot of ramifications on all of them. Let's start with tonight's game. Cowboys Lions. Look at the projected percentages of making the playoffs with a win or a loss for both of these

teams. We got a chance. We don't really for both of them tonight. Massive Rammies. starting on this Thursday night football. What are your thoughts with the hot Cowboys and the Detroit Lions? Yeah, I heard you guys going back and forth, and it's like, all right, I was leaning a certain way.

I was, I'm not going to lie, I was leaning Cowboys coming into the show. Now, Jemir Gibbs, he obviously gives me worry. I don't know how you stop that guy. But I would say before talking to Coach Mike, I still lean the Cowboys a little bit. I'll let you know by the end of the hour probably where I'm going to pick. But Cowboys are hot, man. Honestly, I feel like the Cowboys have something going.

It's going to be very, very loud tonight, that place is going to be on fire. That place says it's going to be on fire. Maybe we get a Jack White M&M performance. Just do it every time. Come on. I think we'd all welcome that, even though we know there'd be a lot of work and crazy ask.

Or anybody, really. So maybe anybody from Detroit. Poser? There's a bunch. Yeah. Put Posner up there. Posenr up there. Put Posner up there.

Okay, so, but as we get back to this, Coach McCarthy, you know, just like Coach Pagano used to do, when they would talk about the game, it would sway us, definitely. It would definitely sway both of us. You and I both see tonight's game the same way from what I just heard from you. Coach McCarthy's not going to turn his back on the Cowboys tonight at all.

He's going to only be gassing up what we think. Yeah, he coached for the Cowboys and the Lions are a former divisional foe. Come on. He might take the easy way else. Good night for the silver and blue. That would be good. That would be good. They'd take both teams.

But I think if he was to do that, though, I do believe that would be a, man, I'm intrigued. Ladies of gentlemen, Joyne's not a Super Bowl champion. Yins are legend. Former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen, our coach, Coach McCarthy. Yeah, Coach! What's going on back? There's two of you. Yes.

All right. Hey, guys, it's good to see you. I've missed you guys. We miss you just two of you. Hunting blind. Yeah, I got to have a picture today. So, you know, I put a picture of an impersonator, a hunting impersonator up there in the tree stand on Sunday.

So it was the last day of deer hunting season up here. And I participated as far as being there. But obviously didn't get anything. So it was a great day being out in the woods. And so I thought I'd represent all the great hunters of Wisconsin and the great outdoors up here. And like I say, they ask you where you hunt. They tell you, go to Minnesota. They don't want you up here. So it was a cool day. It was a cool day. You know, obviously Thanksgiving weekend. I haven't seen you guys in a while. So this is a great part of the country. I'm really enjoying it. Okay. Well, Coach, we you. We're happy you had a great Thanksgiving, it sounds like. Sorry you want tagless out there,

brother. That's tough. You got a big old buck right there on your forehead. I don't know if that's what you were planning on getting up there and then walked out of there with absolutely nothing. I love that you said cold day there because my dad, Tim McAfee, he used his tag here in Indiana. Okay, he's got a, he just bought an Amish shed, okay, down in Amish gun. Beautiful. Beautiful. It is now. Two hours south of here, he bought a shed in the middle of middle of Amish country, basically, that has hundreds of acres. You know, these Amish, they don't really hunt much, there's deer, literally bought it. He was putting the plumbing in three weeks ago so that he could get hunting season in down there,

goes into the back. He gets a buck, you know, immediately love this place, I'm a genius. Then his friends, obviously, back in Pennsylvania, where he hunts, has a camp back up in the hills of Pennsylvania, up in Warren near Tiddeut up there. His friends invite him back, already got one, you know, Indiana, I'm living large, has a Pennsylvania tag. Oh, seven poor, basically just walked right into my, rifle, you know, so I had to do it.

So Tim's living large. We're about to have more venison jerky for than any place in the country. That man just delivers it all. So, yeah, I understand the outdoorsman in life. Tim used to put his shit into a garbage bag with piss in it for three weeks before hunting season because

these deer are smart, obviously, and they can smell them. Yeah, I understand what you're doing up there. I appreciate you hunters out there. I appreciate it. Well, I'll tell you what, I had a good picture with a rifle on my hand. I was scared to put it up there because I don't want to get you in trouble. But after that, I should have definitely gone with that picture. Yeah, I've had a rifle in my hands since I'm about 11 years old.

You know, 30-0-6, I've been able to fire, you know what I mean, if I had to. But let's talk ball, as we talk about fruitless hunting season for you. Let's talk about fruitful Thursdays, which it has been for you whenever you project how a Thursday night football game would be going. If you were to make picks, you'd be 7 and 3. Hey, 70%. Very good. Very good, coach. I know you know nothing about it.

If you were to go 70% in picking games, you'd be in the Hall of Fame for picking games forever. Now, tonight obviously involves your Dallas Cowboys taking on a former division foe in the Detroit Lions. Dak Prescott, CD, GP, Ferguson, run game, offensive line might be the best offensive unit in ball right now. The defense obviously playing much better than they were earlier in the year. And for the Lions, they're still trying to figure it out, it seems. Last time we saw them, they weren't good. The only thing that was good was the halftime show and the team they were playing. Now, Lions, favored by three, and then Cowboys receiving 80%, 83% of the money,

77% of the bets. So everybody is kind of thinking that the Cowboys have this one except for the sports books. What are your thoughts on tonight's game and what are kind of your big takeaways for both teams to maybe win this one? Well, you know, I'll just cut to the chase. The Cowboys will know they won't need the points tonight. I really like the way they've been playing. And I think, you know, going through the research, I think we've had some great games here on Thursday night,

and I think we're getting ready to watch the best one. I'm real excited to watch this game. Frankly, I'll watch this by myself somewhere, so I won't have to talk to anybody doing it. I think it's going to be a hell of a football game. I've always had great respect, and I think AJ attested this. I mean, even back in the early 2000,

Detroit is a very difficult place to play. I think they're an outstanding football team. you know, Dallas is healthier. You know, this is a big road win. They need this road win. You know, you always start the season where you need at least four road wins. This is an opportunity to get that third road win. This is an opportunity for the Cowboys that win four games in 18 days and many by week going into the final stress.

So I just think there's a lot that goes into the game. And I think when you look at the stats, I think the stats paint, you know, paint a really good picture of this. You know, you've got two outstanding offenses. You know, the turnover ratio definitely favors Detroit. Dallas is going to have to do a great job taking care of the ball. Dallas is taking the ball away a lot better here than, you know, over the last month and a half.

And I think the biggest change that I think will really factor for the Cowboys, you know, when you talk about designing and building your football team, the ability to be strong down the middle. Because, you know, if you, when you get into the coaching and you're putting together the scheme, your playbook and how you want to build that offense or build that defense, you've got to be strong down the middle because the closest you are to the football, the more mental and emotional responsibility you have to that unit. And I think what Dallas has done on defense,

going to the five-man line has really helped to run defense. And I think clearly you look at the middle of their defense now. You know, the two defensive tackles inside those additions have been excellent. You've got Dima over, Sean is back. He's a young impact player. You know, I think Logan addition, you got the two safeties back, Malik and Dono. So you look at the middle of that defense today compared to, you know, five, six weeks ago, and I thought they showed that on Thanksgiving Day.

So I was real impressed with the way they played, and I think the video, definitely of the past, you know, three or four games definitely favors Dallas in the game. Obviously, I know I'm biased, but I do. I feel really good about the Cowboys tonight and really looking forward to watching it. The offense, Dallas's offense is playing tremendous. I'm really actually, you know, I'm really excited to watch the chess match part of it. I'm curious to see how, you know, how Detroit's going to play Dallas's offense. You know, Detroit plays more base defense than anybody in the league.

They always have it's their philosophy. But, you know, when you got C.D. Lamb and George Pickens, I mean, you know, how much two-shell is that going to present to the Dallas offense? And I think Brian and the staff will do a great job of taking advantage of those run looks. So I think this is going to be a game that's going to have, you know, a lot going on. Obviously, the basics are who takes care of the ball, who takes it away are important. You've got the fourth down conversations, you know, that that'll be part of this. But I think this is a great matchup tonight. Detroit needs this game.

Dallas needs this game. I think it's going to come down to the end. And if you look at the, you know, you look at the two-minute offenses for both Dallas and Detroit, they're both excellent. You know, both quarterbacks are playing the last couple of years. I don't think Jericho has enough credit for how well he's played. A big fan of his and obviously I'm a huge fan of Dax. and he is rolling. But if you look at the defenses,

you know, the two-minute defense and the run defense, I think those are going to be two big focal points tonight because this game could clearly come down to who has the ball last and, you know, the offense of two minutes

or performance. Today have been much better than the defensive performance. Okay, so let's talk. I just think you got a hell of a matchup. I know that's long-witted, but I didn't know. That was great, actually.

Everything you said there was fantastic. We got to learn a lot about how you view both teams. But you talk about that Dallas Cowboys defense a little bit, and you talk about the last few weeks versus what they were at the beginning. I think that's why it's hard to believe any of these stats about this defense. You know, it's hard because this is the entire season. They were ass-ass.

What do you think it is? Do you think it is the trades that Jerry Jones made? And do you think it's also maybe Iber Fluse's system kind of taken hold or them kind of understanding what they're looking for? Because they look vastly different than what they did at the beginning of the year. Is it sustainable, I guess, would be the question? And what have you seemed as the biggest difference? Yeah, I think one thing about this, you know, this team, and, you know, you go back to training camp, we talked about them.

It was a young football team that the majority of the team, in my opinion, the eras are all pointing up. So, you know, you got to deal with the healthy injury challenge that every team has to go through. It's just a matter how many, when they come, to who and what positions. And, you know, Dallas is healthier. Dallas is a healthier team tonight than Detroit. But, yeah, definitely the defense. I mean, I mean, their numbers were so bad, you know, and that's hard to, overcome those when you have those numbers earlier in the season. And, and, but I think if you look at

this team the last four or five weeks, especially, you know, since the trade of, you know, Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson, I mean, the middle of that defense has been, I think the five-man line, you know, structure that have gone through has really helped them. And, you know, I think both corners tonight are going to be challenged. I mean, that's, I know those are matchups. I'm going to be watching to see how that, because, you know, you got two really good running games. You got two dynamic runners in Detroit, you know, I definitely a fan of those guys, and I love the way Dallas is running the ball. I think the run and the action pass, the first and second down offense of Dallas has really, really improved, and I think it's a big part of why they're having success

on third down, and they're getting the red zone opportunities, and Daxson, a great job getting the ball to his perimeter guys, you know, particularly, you know, with attacking the end zone, those type of throws into red zone. So this is going to be a hell of a matchup, and I do I think this thing can come down to the end and whoever has the ballast, you know, statistically, you know, should win the game. All right, we're going to stay up for it for sure. Oh, yeah.

We're staying up for it tonight. You know, this is one of those ones we look forward to. This is a massive matchup. Congrats to Kirk and Al and Kaylee and Carissa and Fitz and Witt and Sherm and Gonzo and... Marshawn sometimes. Congrats. This is a big one tonight.

This is a big one tonight. We're excited. about that. Go ahead, AJ. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, when you hear people talk about having a balanced offense, is that something as a play caller? Are you, is that something you think about in a game? Like, oh, okay, boy, I got 12 passes, three runs called. I've got to start run the ball

more. Like, is that something you actually think about in game? Yeah, absolutely. And it's more about what's called. I think you clearly have to factor in, you know, the RPO mindset, the check with me, mindset, to run the pass, the keeps the run, and all the different combinations that you give the

coach is starting to cut you off. Can you explain, with me to people that don't know. I think a lot of people don't really know what that means exactly. Yeah, I think, you know, the ability to play at the line of scrimmage, one, you know, to take advantage of the, you know, of the defense as far as the pre-snap.

You know, there's so much it goes on in the pre-snap, both for the offense and the defense. You know, defense is trying to disguise their calls and offense is trying to run to, you know, maybe a match up to a bubble, you know, support element, all those things, as far as how you want to have favorable

angles when you run the football and then with that it enhances your the action pass game because you know the importance of of having a you know a really productive first and second down offense is the action pass game has to be you know productive and it you have to make it because I've always looked at everything from the quarterback's eyes in designing an offense you have to make the offense easier for the quarterback on first and second down third down is always been extremely difficult in this league and I think clearly with the way defenses are designed. Everybody has five number one picks on their defensive line.

The pass rush in the league is, I think, tougher than ever. I think the chipping and the help and the protection adjustments, if you're not doing a lot of it, you're behind the times. So, I mean, you know, third down has always been, you know, sometimes people talk about pro football is just a third down league, but third down is always difficult. So the ability to run the football is critical because every game that I've ever called, I don't think I've ever gone into and I think that I need at least 30 run attempts.

Because you have to give those big guys up front ability to come off to football. Now, it doesn't always work out that way. And going back to the initial part of this question is I think you clearly got to give the quarterback the opportunity to, you know, if you want to run the ball to the left or run it to the right based on the numbers, switch to play. And those are all built in, whether it's run to run, run to pass, pass to run. you know, and then you obviously want to marry all those runs to your action, past game protection. And I think Dallas is doing an excellent job. I mean, it starts number one with that offensive line. I mean, that's a deep line. It's, I mean, what, Nate Thomas. I mean, how about

the way he stepped in there? Paul. He's a dog, Nate Thomas, a dog. What a dog. What a beast. Hoop, ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! Absolutely dog. I was just going to start gassing up, whoever you were going to say there. Okay, good. Gas them up. I mean, just to say it. see if that young man went through as a rookie, he basically was red-shirted, you know, had the knee surgery. And I think you learn a lot about a young player when they go through injuries. And to see him just in there every single day going through the rehab, building himself up. So I'm just really happy for him personally to see the success he's having. And I think he's going to be an

excellent player for them for a long time. So that deadline is obviously connected. And I think they have excellent depth. And I think all that plays into running a football, action pass game. keeping them favorable third bounds and things like that. Coach, I think it's weird that you seemingly don't have any spite towards the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, I want to let you know that. Especially with how their seasons going and how they're playing and how you talk about them. You know, people could think that you'd be maybe a little bit jaded by not signing another contract with the Dallas Cowboys. That was all very public, very, very public.

And then Shottie gets hired from within and then Shottie's first time, you know, then there's a conversation around it. From the day that we started talking to you before the draft, all the way through now with the Cowboys having the season that they're having and having success, which could make a person or an X or whatever, maybe even more upset. Maybe some people would wish for a failure after they leave a place. Instead, they're playing good ball. You've given credit throughout this entire thing to Shottie, to Dak.

I think even to Jerry, you've given him credit through this entire thing. There hasn't been like an ounce of you being, or sounded jaded at all. Is that, do you think about that ever? And we would like to commend you for that. I would like to let you know, as a person who's probably very competitive with the way it all worked,

and you just being able to talk about the greatness that you kind of saw there and the possibilities there, as opposed to all the other shit, I think that is something that is commendable. So I would just like to let you know that. I saw that and we all see that. Well, thank you.

I think, you know, like a lot of things in life, you live and learn, I think is, I'm a little older you are, Pat, but you know, I think that, carrying, you know, wasted negative energy run is not something I really want to engage in, you know, at this point in my life. And I do. I'm very thankful for my 30 years, 30 plus years in this league. Going back to the Kansas City Chiefs, Marty Schontheimer, Pat Schontenheimer for that, for that opportunity, you know, New Orleans Saints, Green Bay Packers, San Francisco 49ers, and, you know, obviously the Dallas Cowboys.

So that's not lost on me. And it's probably even more so because I'm hearing reflection. now because, you know, when you are able to step away from you, your appreciation even goes up even more. So, yeah, I root for those guys, you know, and I've known Brian Strathenheimer since he's been in high school. So, I mean, to see him finally get an opportunity. So, yeah, I do.

And this is no disrespect for Detroit. And I think Dan Campbell's an outstanding coach. And I love the way his team plays. But I'm wholeheartedly rooting for Detroit. I don't give a shit up, or you know, Cowboys. I don't sure how many points Detroit would be given. tonight so and by the way i want to go back to that record seven and three because i'm nine and three i don't know who the else yeah who's doing yeah i guess we haven't kept it up in a while

maybe there's a couple pushes though maybe uh yeah i think there's a i mean he gave you know he asked me the one on a text that third loss was a text message what about the last text i gave you on thanksgiving yeah yeah he was eight and three last week i don't i think i'm nine and three who care who's care who's count i'm nine and three i'm nine and three i'm nine and three I'm rooting wholeheartedly for the Dallas Cowboys tonight, and I'm picking them, nine and three, who's coming? Who's doing that? Incredible odds, but I was worried about that because AJ came on,

and AJ's like, I like the Dallas Cowboys. I came on the show earlier, and I was like, this feels like too easy of the Dallas Cowboys because everything we've seen. And then we were worried you aren't going to be able to give us non-biased opinions because of how you've always viewed the Cowboys since we've started talking to you. And that's exactly what you did.

He came in here and told us straight through our, face that you're going to fucking pick him no matter what so that is uh but i also did the work pat i did i looked at the numbers i looked i went through the same process that i go through every every week you know i want to do a good job for you in your show and um and in the numbers in the video um you know i'm going with the cowboys based off that too you're looking for things certainly but i'm going to say this it's not going to be easy though it's not going to be easy it's like i'll say that i i think this is going to be a difficult i don't i don't ever recall walking out of that stadium thinking, boy, that was easy. That's a tough place to play. I mean, the noise. I mean,

I think it's, I love the venue. You walk down like you're into a dungeon, pull up on a street level. I love everything about Ford Field. I mean, I think that's one of the unique places to play. So that place is going to be rocking. Cowboy fans travel very well. So I think this is going to be, this is going to be a dynamite game tonight. Are the Cowboys going to take over for Field? Absolutely not. We're not starting that narrative. I promise you that the Lions fans are be on absolutely bonkers. I'll just say this, don't let their ass in there then. The Cowboys fans are loud, which is, you know, a part of the entire process and a part of, obviously, the expectations for the Cowboys.

They can potentially do it, and they started terribly. And if they were to do that, obviously, sports media people would love it as prime loves that they're on Thursday night. Now, there's going to be a lot of decisions made tonight by these coaches. he's shoddy every decision he makes going forward in any situation is like, hey, this is first time doing it. For MCDC, he has a track record and that track is currently not going great. Ty has a question for you.

Yeah, Coach, you mentioned how one of the big takeaways from the game tomorrow will be the fourth down discussion, however that shakes out, and obviously the Lions early in the year were great on fourth down when they were kind of rolling a little bit. The last couple weeks, they are 0 for 7. When it comes to going

for it on fourth down, what exactly was your philosophy? How you handle that? And for a guy like Dan Campbell, like there are so many analytics out there that kind of take away the feel and all that kind of stuff, do you think certain coaches get pigeonholed into doing what they've done, you know, for the entire season. And by this late in the season, it becomes just, hey, I have to stick to my guns. I have to do what I've done the whole year. Or how would you handle going forward on Fort Down, especially in a game like tonight when it'll probably be, you know, at a critical moment? Well, I mean, I've never really had much of a

conversation, you know, maybe outside of Dan Quinn and some of the guys that I've worked with. But I can just tell you how I've done it is, you know, analytics has made a big impact on situational football. I mean, I think we all recognize that, you know, over the last 10, 15 years. But, you know, I just believe, and I've always believed it's, you know, mathematics is the language of the universe. You have to pay attention to the mathematics. But I don't think you can do. That's a bar right there. Mathematics is the language. It was. Mathematics is the language of the universe. Is that what you said? Yeah. I mean,

I mean, of course. I believe that. No, I think you always got to look at the numbers. I mean, I don't think there's, I don't think in any decision making opportunity regardless of your business. You know, I look at my first time around you, we did the, when we did the, uh, the draft show up there Thursday night at Lambeau Field, we got in the golf cart and it was just an unbelievable night. The thing and the first thing was you pulled that phone, you pulled that phone on and you were talking about numbers. I mean, you got to, you got to be into it the number.

It doesn't matter what business, you know, or what situation you're in when you're trying to be productive and make sound decisions. So, yes, mathematics is the language of the universe. So I thought that was common knowledge. No, that's a great bar. That is a great bar. But you're talking about fourth downs when it comes to the universe's language with fourth downs. Well, I think in everything. But anyways, okay, fourth down, let's get back on the topic here, Pat.

for time we want to talk about the numbers. I think analytics has made a huge impact in that, but it's just like anything. All these analytics and utilization of numbers, they're great, but the question I always ask is, how do you apply it? How do you apply it in game? You know, the application of all these things,

and that's the beauty of coaching. That's why I have so much respect for what these coaches do week and week out, the amount of time that they put into this, because, you know, you're making those calls in about a five, just eight second window. I mean, if not, you're, you know, now you're being late to the, you know, defensive communication, AJ attested that, or if I'm not getting it in to the quarterback, you know, you're not giving them a chance to press the line of

scrimmage and all that stuff. So, yeah, so, I mean, that's real important is how to you apply. So mathematically, I think there's been so many programs out there, but I always wanted to make the decision on fourth down before the series started, you know, as far as the anticipation, because, you know, when you see guys getting stuck sometimes that makes me curious what's their in-game application of that communication. So in the way we've done it is, you know, we get the ball on a 20-yard line and it's just and it's done by field position or region and then, you know, and Ebb and flow the game,

the score of the game, those things are you're trying to factor those in because, you know, mathematics on the historical sense, you talk about that going into the game, but you're also got to have the mathematics and actually what's going on in that game. And, you know, and no one knows better than the coaches and the players in the communication on the headsets. You know, that you may not feel as good about the fourth and three and fourth or four call as you did, you know, Saturday afternoon when you left the offense. So that's where the ebb and flow of it is something that you really need to take in part. And the other part, too, is, you know, and AJ will definitely jump on this, is when you hold, when you hold that offense on Fort Don, that equates to a takeaway. You know, if the offense has, you know, 12 series in a game, you know, those series need to end in a kick, you know, either would have extra point or two point or a punt.

And if that series does not end in a kick, then that's a takeaway for the defense, you know, whether they obviously take the ball away or they hold on fourth down. So the point I'm making there, the momentum of that fourth down is obviously important for the offense, but it could be more important for the defense at that particular point in the game. So time of game is the point I'm making. So I think those are the three things that would run through my head. You know, number one, what's the mathematics? What's the heaven flow of the game? And what's the momentum? So I think you've got to have a thought process that you can just tap into

because you're making those calls in real time. And that's the way I did at time. I appreciate the fact that you're saying you've got to have momentum here. Are we playing good right now or are we not playing good right now? Because you talk about a fourth and three maybe not being as good on a Saturday. But also this fourth and five, I mean, we're spinning. in it right now. I feel like the boys are hungry, the boys are eager, let's go for that. And then obviously, whenever you add in the universe's language that God wrote, you know,

Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, let me go, let me go. I see a quote from a man a long time ago. He sees a quote from a man named Galileo. Hey, this was a good quote. Great quote. You pulling Galileo, whenever we're talking about fucking fourth. down situational football, you're a yinzer, I'll tell you what. Hey, you impressed me every week. You impress me every week. I'm sorry that slipped up. I mean, I'm Galileo. That is unbelievable. That is pretty good. I mean, that guy behind you right there is quoting Galileo when talking about fourth down situational football. That is, that's I can't believe where some of these conversations go over the week. This is awesome. That's you. It's you. It's

It's where you go. I bought it up in that tree stand. That's why I want to whip it out. I was sitting in that stand for about six hours. You scrolling through your phone. I mean, what's some good quotes. It was some Galileo.

Yeah, I'll drop some Galileo on these hoes. No problem. I mean, that's outrageous. Go ahead, AJ. Sorry about that. I had to celebrate Galileo being on our show. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I've said before, numbers don't even equate in my head. Math doesn't even... I am learning disabled when it comes to mathematics, so I'm screwed on the universe's language, but hopefully I can find a way to get by. But, Coach, if you were sitting on the sideline

and you had a quarterback like Jackson Dart, who was too tough for his own good, I think, and he's taking big old shots all over the place, I guess what do you tell him? Because you obviously love his competitive fire and everything about him, but how do you protect a guy like that? I think it's part of his responsibility.

I think just like everything, we always talk about, you know, the two most important abilities are accountability, accountability and availability, and availability is number one. you've got to be available to your team and it's decision making. So if you can improve your decision

making, that's going to improve your availability, then it's part of this job description. The most important stat for young quarterbacks, you know, starting with this young man right here on the screen is you have to be, you know, how many games is it going to be consecutive games can you play? Because you only improve

playing every Sunday. You have to line up and play. So I think it's clearly, it's all part of your role, his job, responsibility and it's you know it's something that he has to be more aware of i mean he's he's missed a number of games this year and uh we all love the way he plays don't give me wrong i mean you love the physicality but you know this is a situation we talk about it and in our training of play style a j violent violent on the boundary you know that's i mean that's that's that's that's that's where a half a yard could be the difference in one in the game you know but not at this

point in the game i mean he's got to get out of bonds but part of it too i don't you know i was watching the game live it didn't look like you saw him, you know, to be honest with you. So I don't think he, right here is, he doesn't look like he's aware that there's a human coming potential. He's looking at that pile on, you're saying. He's trying to get strictly to the pile on. Has no idea

a human is coming to get him. Happened with Anthony Richardson, remember scored a touchdown against Houston. He thought he was in like a two-yard line. He like kind of held up and then somebody came concussion, I think, through the end zone because he didn't expect somebody to come. It's like the NFL, these dudes are really fast.

Really, really, really, really fast. And that's tough for some of these quarterbacks, though, who have been maybe the most athletic or close to the most athletic person on the field. I'm not saying Jackson Dart ever thought that, but Jackson Dart moved at Ole Miss. I mean, there's a lot of moments where he's running all over the place. It's like the NFL, everybody's very fast and everybody hits hard. You know, it's like there's levels to it. And I just, I would hate to see Jackson Dart not have a chance to be a great NFL quarterback, strictly because he wants to continue to prove how tough he is. We think you're tough, dude.

We think you're tough. Your hair is really cool, too. The way you dress is super cool. We like your swag, your moxie. We like how you view football. We would just like you to survive. You know, we've seen a lot of guys not survive whenever they try to play like this. Too many.

Too many. Too many guys, no, I'm there. Pat, I'll say this, you know, man. I love the way he plays. Because I think when I evaluate quarterbacks, you look at the in-the-in-pocket ability and versus the out-of-pocket. And what he does naturally, you can't teach. I mean, his ability to make plays.

with his feet, whether it's stepping up in the A or B gap and coming out off the movement stuff. So, I mean, just the fact that they run them on so many design quarterback runs tells you what the coaching staff thinks to him. So, I mean, those are all benefits, you know, but it's the end of pocket stuff is always the last thing that is I always felt

the dropback phase is always the real challenge for the guys in the national football league. So the fact that he is so productive out of the pocket And naturally, you know, he has to, he just has to be smarter because the real challenge is, you know, beating teams from in the pocket. This is a, you know, this is a two-minute league. I mean, you look at the, you look at the games, especially you get the playoffs, 98% of these games come down to the last series of the game. So that quarterback has to, you know, he has to win from the pocket to start off with. So, you know, this young man has an extremely bright future.

I mean, I think every quarterback coach in the United States will love the coach this guy. Just the good way he plays. But, you know, he's got to be conscious of his availability. Yeah, we need you to survive, brother. 98% that's good mathematics. Galileo would love that. 98%.

That's a big number there. Gally would have been like, oh, that's almost 100%. Did you see Greg Olson and JJ walk get into it over the universe's language? Have you seen that a little bit? No, I missed it. Let's, I was in a tree stand. You're right. You know what?

We don't need to bring any negative bullshit to your way. All right, let's ask you another question about ball. Go ahead, con man. Yeah, coach, just nerds being nerds with their stats. But kind of excluding that, can we go to Philadelphia for a second? Kevin Petulow is getting a lot of heat right now. Fans are going to his house. It's a little too much.

But that's Philly, baby. That's why it is what Philadelphia is all about. What would you do if you're Nick Siriani? Is this a situation where you step in, say, hey, look, Kevin, everybody hates you. They're about to burn down your house legitimately. I'm going to take over from here on out. Why does

Philly look so terrible on offense? Why does it look so inconsistent? And is it something where the fans should feel justified in putting all the blame on an offensive coordinator? Is this a situation where hey, look, they just haven't kind of hit on all cylinders and eventually

they are going to figure it out? What would you do if you're Nick Siriani? Well, I'll say this. I mean, no one the football team better than that. I mean, and I think that's for every head coach. You know, like you're in every meeting, you put together every schedule, you know, you're involved in constant conversations. So especially with his background as an offensive coordinator, he clearly knows what's

going on, you know, whether it's the injuries or, you know, the continuity. I mean, you know, you're talking about an offensive line that's really, I mean, this run that Philadelphia's on is, is a special run. I mean, they've been multiple Super Bowls, but their offensive line has been impeccable. So, you know, when you have something that's in place for so long, you know, and then you're going through, you know, some injury phases and things that are going on there, yeah, there's potentially a drop-off. So, you know, but the personal part, I do believe in, you know, protecting the personal space of players and coaches, because I don't think

anybody should have to go through that. We all understand, you know, the fans are a huge part of making this game go, you know, they pay the tickets, they pay the money for the tickets and obviously, but, you know, when you're putting people in harm's way, I obviously don't agree with that. So, but I would say that all the conversations that we were wondering about or the topics that, you know, talk about, those conversations have already been had internally.

So, you know, I just think like anything, this game is so competitive. I feel like I don't say it enough on air. It is so damn hard to win one football game. And that's something that I always admired. It was something coming from college back in 93 in the NFL just thinking, man, it is so damn hard to win one game. And that's why when teams do have the ability to sustain success over a five-year period, a six-year period, eight-year period, I mean, that says a lot about that organization, says a lot about that program.

And you're looking at an organization and it's, you know, at this phase right now is leading away in the last five. year increment of our league. So I guarantee you that they are on top of what needs to be done, but their fans are as passing. I mean, there's nothing like playing the game in Philadelphia. I mean, it's one of the, you know, all-time environments to play and to, you know, play at as far as the energy and so forth. And, you know, so they do. They have unbelievable fans there. But, you know, I don't want to see anybody's family get, there's no reason for anybody get hurt over this. Yeah, agreed. Philadelphia is a different place, especially when you coach for the Eagles. I think you know what you're signing up for

because you have home field advantage and then also home field disadvantage if it's not going the right way because they will turn on you and there certainly has been some of those times even last year whenever they were in the middle of what would now we know would be a Super Bowl run the amount of things that we're saying

being said about that particular team from their own fans throughout the different parts of the season absolutely absurd and then this year the fans feel justified you know that all the drama is coming to a head there's a reason and if you get rid of one guy, it feels like it all gets better. But once that happens, we feel Philadelphia, classic, they'll certainly find something else that needs to kind of, this needs to maybe pick it up as

well. They expect greatness. Siriani understands that and good luck to them out there. Now, there's another city in the Keystone State that has a lot of drama around it right now. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, coach, you talk about how hard it is to win games. We come from a town in Pittsburgh that has gone 21 straight seasons without a losing season, but that is not enough for the fan base anymore. I had a friend who was drinking Huffson Greenfield during the game on Sunday. He said he could hear the booze and the calls for Tomlin's job from there. What are your thoughts on that situation as a whole as it gets really, really loud right now? Well, I think the big thing is, and I'll say this just as far as the whole league, and I know

Pat's already touched on a couple of them, but, you know, being a fan this year and watching from the cheer that I'm watching, because, you know, you always are worried about your team and, and focused on that. It's amazing, and it's going to only pick up this week, because this week's incredible with the games that we got on Slate this. Oh, yeah. But just the energy of the week, the weak, you know, negativity or positivity, the way, the way this pendulum swings just across the, it's amazing to me. It's amazing to me. So, and I think Pittsburgh is obviously in that situation, but, you know, I have the outmost respect for Mike Tomlin. You know, I've competed against Mike, you know, and I think Mike is really starting a second half of a Hall of Fame career.

I mean, I mean, I think Mike's in his early 50s. He can coach as long as he wants. But they're playing for first place on Sunday, if I'm, you know. Yeah, they are. Okay. I mean, they're playing for first place. They've been in these kind of spots before, and it's hard. It's hard.

Now, and you get it. I mean, it's about winning, and it's about putting Super Bowl, who's putting the next Super Bowl trophy in that case? And everybody, you know, that works at an organization that has a success of a Pittsburgh or a Dallas or a green, but you understand an expectation. But, yeah, the fact of the matter, and I think he'll do a great job getting ready. This is going to be another game at a definitely. definitely will sit down and watch, you know, Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

Anytime these guys get together, and they played against Mike and John who played against each other more than anybody. So, and that's my reality. That's how I look at it. I just think that, you know, let it play out. You know, just let this play out. He's been in this spot a bunch of times, you know. Yeah, too many is what the Steelers fans are saying. Hey, we're in the spot every year.

That's what they're saying. You know them, though. That is literally what you know. I get it. But I think sustained, I'll say this. I'm curious to hear AJ's opinion on this. We went to the playoffs nine out of ten years, eight years in a row. I think it's the only four years on been four times that that's happened in the NFL, but if that's the case at one time. I know that stats out there.

You guys can confirm it. But I felt going to the playoffs eight years in a row for nine out of ten years was so much more difficult than winning one Super Bowl. That's Super Bowl win that we had. I mean, that year you talk about injuries. I mean, we were decimated. And we, man, we came out of training camp. We thought we had the best team.

We felt great about our football team. But there's points in that season. I mean, there's two points, I think it was in the Miami game after the Washington game where we didn't have 45 guys on Friday to line up healthy. So that we were going to have to make moves on a Friday and Saturday that fill our game day roster. So, I mean, my point is you have points in those season. You just got to, you know, in that group and, you know, AJ is one of the key guys here.

is it just kept playing, kept playing. And most importantly, they got a good defense. You know, everybody talks about the offense and Aaron Rogers. The Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010 because of our defense. That's the only time that I know in my career that I had a top five defense. And that's why I'm excited about the Packers this year. I mean, I think that's the first time that they've had a top five defense since 2010. So, you know, my point is you got a chance.

You always got a chance because their defense is going to keep them in the game. The defense is going to give them that chance and it comes down to the end, go win that thing at two-minute. And the reality of it is that's the league. And that's why it's unbelievable to watch. I mean, these games come down to the end and that's

why the two-minute stuff is so important. So I just think, I mean, Mike's a great coach. Just let this thing play out. You know, and you just got to get into tournament. You got to get into tournament. You've got to be relatively healthy. And most important is the confidence of that locker room.

And that's how you want it. And that was our personal experience in 2010. That's your experience in 2010. It ends with the Lombardi. The Dallas Cowboys this year could have that particular run as well, where they were counted out. Then they got hot, started playing for each other. They have a huge one tonight in Detroit.

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They'll be loud, though, if they get rolling is what you're saying, huh, Coach? Oh, definitely. No, I agree. I mean, it's a, I think it's just, I mean, that's a tough. place to play. I mean, it's, I think it's going to be a great environment, but I would say this, don't let them in there, that's for sure. You're the man. I'll lose your home field advantage. Hey, Jay, we know what that sounds like, I mean, hell, we go

there. Sometimes I'm going to all the time, take that stadium over, man. It was unbelievable. Packers fans would take over. Yesterday was actually. Oh, yeah. Yesterday was the anniversary of Rogers throwing the Hail Mary to win on the last. There's a lot of Packers fans in Michigan, unfortunately. Well, you know why?

Do you know why? But they're still got to get into the door. Well, they're pretty good franchise. I know that. Yeah, for a long time. He's saying they got into door, though. This is just like when, who went into Seattle and took over Buffalo Bills fans. Packers did as well.

Bills and Packers took over the Seahawks Stadium last year, or two years ago. Last year. That's crazy how much the Seahawks have changed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. In the Seahawks fans' perspective and their eyes, good for them turning that around. Anytime another team takes over your stadium, that's a good indicator of how your fans feel about your team. is kind of how it's just naturally judged

from the outside looking in. Detroit Lions fans are good, right? We're good? Yeah, we actually took over Lambo last year, so not worried about it at all. Ooh, love that. All right, we appreciate you, Hunter. Have a good one, brother.

Well, I'll tell you what, though, are the thing about, are we done? No. Okay. I didn't know if you were doing the flip over here, but no, I, that's one of the problems I think you have in Lambo is, you know, you got some,

you got some season ticket horrors that could probably sell their tickets to the Detroit game and pay their whole year of season tickets. So, you know, you know, tickets sell pretty good over here in Landbo. Destination. Yeah, it's a museum. It's an NFL museum over there.

We're not doing a turnover yet. We go about five minutes until then. Speaking of turnover, though, we talked about a little bit about a check with me place. Is that what Peyton was saying when he was going Apple, Apple, and what are some of the words that are the verbiage that is used that we can hear? if we're watching TV when they're, oh, that's quarterback deciding to go to the second play that was cold or maybe even the third play that was also cold.

Well, I'll say this. I mean, they're all indicators, but I think you clearly have to, you know, that's something ever since they put the microphones on the center in the guards. I mean, I think it's been great for the fans to hear that. But, you know, just remember your quality control coaches and your analytics people are watching that too. So there's, you know, you have to change it up as my point. So, I mean, you got, you got cans, you know, you got y'all can to call. I think golf is a can-can-can guy, isn't he? Yes, the fact that it's so common, I guarantee you, most of the time, it's probably a dummy. Dumbick, you know, I mean, they're not doing it, so.

Goof, they're goofed us? That's the game within the, that's the game within the game. I mean, there's so much that goes on in pre-stamp is what I was referring to. So, you know, over, over, over, you know, revert, revert. I mean, there's a lot of common terms. But the fact is, you know, that based on what it's said before it or what said after it could be part of the change of what you're really doing. Because you've got to protect your staples. That's all.

I mean, that's how we would do it. You always try to protect your primary check with me's or primary overs when you flip the play from one side to the other or run to pass, pass the run. So, you know, I mean, how many different sentiments do you have for a draw play, you know, those types of things? Okay, so that is what I was about to say. There's normally a bucket of words, though. Like, I got a chance to sit on a couple brainstorming meetings at training camp for Peyton in the offense. And it was like, Bozo was dummy cadence. So anything that follows Bozo fake, but what's immediately after what's after Bozo is actual call.

And everybody has to hear that. And everybody has to know that. And everybody has to be on the same page, including the person that is giving the Bozo call, remembering that they gave the bozo call and then, you know, what is following and what is following in there. So there's, I don't know how many quarterbacks are doing all that, though. Is that very common thing these days? I don't know how common it is.

Bryce Young did it against Packers this year. Remember he was doing all the checks at the line, but everybody knew it was just a handoff to Rico Dowdell right up the middle. But for 20 seconds, he was yelling stuff out, and then it was just secco, everybody thought it was a pass except for the Panthers and they ran it right up the gut. Is that so happening in a pretty rapid clip? Is what you're saying, Coach McCarthy, it sounds like?

Yeah, I mean, to Connor's point, I mean, you have to be believable in your signals because, you know, you can't look like a dummy given a dummy signal. Like, you know, they just say you can't be. The hell. It's got to be believable. I mean, that was a coaching point. And, you know, but yeah, I would say every quarterback's doing. It's just a matter how much.

And I think that's really the beauty of the game of football. I don't think there's a whole lot of what people are doing that other people aren't doing. It's just really how much they're doing, you know. And that's really the part of the chess match because, you know, you have to, you have to be able to play in the pre-snap to win. Because, you know, once again, if it comes down to a two-minute situation, you know, and that's where, you know, these guys learn. You've got to be able to change the protection. You've got to be able to change it to, you've got to have answers for blitz. You've got to have, you know, you've got to have pro-active adjustments in that situation or these defenses will eat you up.

I mean, defense football has been so aggressive for the last 25 years. I mean, you know, the bare defense back with Buddy Ryan changed a lot of that. Just when they start getting into overload schemes and things like, yeah, you have to have answers for that. Or you're not giving your offensive players a chance and chance at all to be successful. Quarterbacks having to know what's happening for every position before the snap, after the snap, and during the snap is what makes it the hardest position in all of sports. And if you have a great one, you can win a Super Bowl.

And we got two great ones playing tonight on Thursday night. Coach McCarthy likes the Dallas Cowboys. Before we get out of here, you got about 49 seconds. Anything to say to the team before we get out of here, Coach McCarthy? To your team? To the whole team here, yeah, the whole team. Yeah, just don't forget mom and dad. Remember where it all started.

So I hope everybody had a happy Thanksgiving. Congratulations to Samantha and Pat. And don't forget about what's most important, family. Hell yeah. Family's what it's all about. Mr. McCarthy, we're thankful that you've joined our family this season. And we're thankful that tonight, week 14 of the NFL season, is kicking off in a magical way.

Two potential playoff teams, two potential Super Bowl teams, kick off on prom. We will overreact to it all tomorrow. I will be live in Atlanta. A.J. Hawk will be here. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Duky drops at midnight. Team on me, team on three.

One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. I feel like we hit it there. That was a good one. Hey, that was a good one, Coach. You did great there. You did really good there, coach. I think that was a good time by you, good timing and good message there.

Thankful for that. All right, well, thankful. I'm thankful for you guys. I missed you guys. Hey, yeah. The deer, what they do? They smelled you? What do you think? You think they smelled?

They were just smarter than you? What do you think happened out there? I think the reality is I don't think they're colored buying because when they saw my big ass and all that orange, they just ran the other way. They were walking up. I mean, just so when we first got it, you know, out there in the woods and you just saw them all running away.

and it was pretty comical. That running in saying, this dip shit doesn't think we can see him. All right, dude. And we'll get on out of here. It's all better luck next time or not. It's all about the vibe more so than the outcome. Unless you live off of it,

which Tim McAfee will for the next six, seven months, which means Sally McAfee will as well. So good luck to my mom. She's got a fun couple months ahead of her. And coach, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. All right, man. Have a great week. Ladies of gentlemen, that's Coach McCormody.

Coach. I like that, AJ. There's two of them. Every time it cut to the old one shot, just his head smiling over his head talking was awesome. I thought of him taking that selfie, like in the tree stand, like, oh, this is good lighting. I got it.

Good lighting, you think? Oh, what did I say? I got it. He probably took it this way, shadows. No. Oh, yeah. Just, what do you think? Just look at me.

That'd be awesome. How about him out there? Okay, just in the middle of nowhere. Cold is shit. Because you hear it was a cold one. You heard him say that. That is certainly probably a focal point of the conversation as you're sitting there for a couple hours.

Nothing's coming. This is a good time. I'm happy we did this. This is really good. Yeah, this type of thing you can't get anywhere else. You know? And then they go back into the cabin. And then the cabin actually good time.

I assume cabin actually good time. And then wake up the next morning. Gotta be up there for sunrise. That's when you're moving. You know, okay, we've got to wake up super early. Let's go out there. Cold as shit. This is really fun.

so they're moving now or one of the yeah this would be when they're moving okay I'll be ready sun comes up yeah we missed it didn't we yeah you want to head back to cabin absolutely come back whenever the sun is setting yes that is good that is when they'll be moving again it's interesting how those go or could go or he's just out there I mean Tim McAfee was out there laying in on a mountain for two days you know just fucking way out you barely walk today yeah he came in obviously fucking the whole body you had to drag this thing out And he said he got all the way back to his fucking, I mean, he hikes, it's a hike through actual mountains across actual creeks that are really either frozen or fully running up into another mountain on the other side of the mountain is where he's at, you know, this is where they're all at, just where they're all at. So all these other haulers and valleys, fuck dope, they ain't there.

You got to get to two haulers down to really where there'll be. and he does it every year so massive respect for him doing that but he gets out there at 3.34 a.m. too because you've got to be out there obviously when they're going to be moving he said he got down there and the Amish man he's never seen this person before he's in Pennsylvania he's not Amish down here

Amish man walks right up to him and goes hey sorry I was scared away the biggest year I've ever seen in my life 10-pointer sorry about it just ran him away from you and Tim goes oh good morning man good to see you thank so Tim potentially had it Tim potentially had it and I guess Jebid die scared that fucking away that didn't stop Tim from

camping out there, though, for fucking 24 hours. No shit. And he got one. And he got one. Yeah. He's living good right now. And so you guys are going to be eating that. Can't wait. You're going to be eating. It's clean meat. It's delicious.

It's clean eating. He's got a good venison recipe. Has he ever given a deer a heart attack like you did back when you were a toddler? No, but he was appreciative of the heart attack because guess what? Save more meat. Maybe it's just a phase you're going through. You'll get over it. I can't help you with that.

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age. I feel like I'm you with this thing. Before you guys kicked off at 12 o'clock, I actually Instagram got me, I ordered three torch flame throwing lighter things. So it's going to be sweet when they come in. Okay. The weather we're in right now, you need these torches. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's very windy. I actually saw

a massive, massive bumfire underneath the highway on my way into work today. Yeah, those things were spread with the wind. It was a problem. Yeah, actually. And how dry the air is because of how cold it. We're in that It's really cold out here. I mean, it's really cold out here. I think this is the week where we all kind of realize and acknowledge we're in it.

Yeah. Okay, we are in it. Now, I don't know if anything is going to compare to the Ohio State Tennessee game when we were on that sideline with how cold that was. Or Montana State when I was out there for game day. It was like negative 15 or something like that. I hope that that isn't what this particular winner feels like. But boy, as we've gotten back into it, as I was a young boy, I never got cold. Like, never got cold.

was always outside, just like never really got cold. Hey, snow actually makes it warmer. You know, like that's what I actually thought. Like, snow actually makes it feel warmer because we can do stuff with the snow. Now, you get out here, though, snow isn't always the type of snow that you can do stuff with, sometimes just the boring snow. And then also a little precipitation just makes, I've gotten soft with my old age. I get cold now.

I stay cold. Do you stay cold? That's the thing I think as you get older, like, once I get cold or my feet get cold, like they're cold for 12 hours. And also, there's like a little hangover effect. of the coldness like the day after, like a thawing period that happened after that Ohio State Tennessee game, like the next day my body was

like thawing out. It's very new for me. I've gotten older and softer, but what I'm saying is we've gotten into meaningful football season. It's cold as fuck outside. Talks Stables here, I have Boss Conner and that Ty Schman. Whatever the Hammer, God. Cowboys AP Ton is here. And AJ, tonight,

I think we got a big one that we need to make some picks for. We've heard a lot of things said by the former a coach of the Dallas Cowboy who's not jaded at all towards the Cowboys i think that has been impressive that's why i wanted to tell him that a j like i legitimately wanted to tell him like you've had a lot of reasons to kind of be a little bit of a dick about this entire situation in Dallas you could have turned and said like well yeah they've got a good roster to kind of diminish what shot he's doing you know say oh it'd been nice to get maybe george pickens when i'm the

head coach of the team that you have two number ones that'd be great he could take that angle and we've seen that before from people but instead it's like he's very happy for shoddy very for Dallas, and he's very happy for the life that he's living currently. It's been a wonderful thing to listen to him, chat about the Cowboys. Yeah, all the way back to the draft, he actually says, like, hey, my time with the Cowboys, I learned so much from Jerry Jones on the business side. Like, it's impossible

to hate what has happened, and he also mentioned, like, yeah, I believe that the Cowboys are going to go win 10, 11 games next year, just because of how great the roster is and his belief in Shottie. Like, he was saying that in April, and now here we are, and they have a chance to win a loving game. And it didn't look like that early, and he never once chose to bury him. Never once.

to point anything out, you know? And it's like he could have done that along the way. He's loving his life up here in Wisconsin. He told him, go to Minnesota, you want to hunt up here. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully he, so I know he has friends that have, you know, great estates and all that. He should go to one of those high fence farms, you know, where you pay $30,000,

and a deer just walks up in front of you and says, here you go, shoot me in the head. I don't know if that's necessarily exactly how it goes. Then they process it and they mount the head and you put it above your man on there. Here we go. That's not for love of the game. That's not how it works. So I don't think I've heard about these places. If he strikes out again.

Like say he goes out again and he strikes out and he doesn't see anything for six more hours. I'll tell you what I've heard about these places. And some of them here in the United States, you can hunt exaltics at these places. Joe? You can go, not Joe. I think he's in jail currently in for the long haul. I saw what they did the Lane's face. I don't know if you saw that.

I did. They put him on Jay because he used the tiger. And he does kind of have the face that could have the... Sure. You can see it. Yeah, there's been a lot of good interneting around that hole. And Lane has seen it all. Lane has seen it all and gone in on it all But there are some of those hunting places

Where you can hunt some weird shit You know from what I've been told And then there's some of those deer ones that To your point They seem to be easier to find You know They seem to be easier to find within the places As opposed to Atter and Wild Wisconsin

2 degrees And we can't see anything And you hunt the most dangerous game On any of those places? So I watched the pest with John Leguizamo growing up And as I've continued to grow older you just assume that that's probably happening

somewhere. Especially when like squid games is happening. You're like, wow, this seems like it's a little bit. Big world. A lot of people. A lot of people. A lot of land. Big world, a lot of land. A lot of privacy. Hope it doesn't happen. Hope it's not happening, but... If it has to, it has to. I think John Leguizamo had the right angle, you know. He did. He had a lot of good energy and good juice. Surviving the game, ICE

tea. Same thing. Man, what a movie. What's what was still called? The Marine. The condemned. That's jail. That right? Prisoners are sent there. pretty much and turns out you know like that's Stone Cole's a former undercover agent he's not a prisoner he just got tied up and but he's there and he's going to do what he's got to do sweetheart and what did he do in that particular fuck kill everybody really take the game out is that what he did oh yeah and that kind of what they said Australia was kind of like yeah yeah jails were kind of

prisoners were kind of dumped into an island and then there had to be a decision made like hey there's people here that are going to want to kill us so we got to figure out this together and then figure it out and then now it's becoming that that's like the a story that I've heard about Australia. Correct. Yeah. I've never done enough research to actually confirm because I think the part of the people in jail

going to kind of just get dumped in Australia I believe that is a thousand percent true and confirmed. I just don't know if it was then like a free-for-all like okay you guys can kind of just kill each other. It's not called Steve Austin. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we don't know the basis of it. We'll certainly look into it. Australia is very far away, very

very far away. It is a cool place though. Like when you get there. really cool place beautiful place let's talk about right aren't the people awesome great accents everybody's funny you know just no matter what they're saying with the accent they're right dirt bikes they're you know my buddy that lives in austro yeah dirt he's dirt biking every day he's skiing out there with hammerhead sharks next to them all everybody's jacked that's what i saw everybody was jacked they had some stricter rules on some things you know like seat belts and like what food you're allowed to eat and things like that but so it's a little different it is certainly a little bit

different when it comes to that. But everybody that I saw and we were there for 11 days, everybody was jacked. Everybody was in shape. You know, everybody dressed like a movie character too. It's like every that you can see how people say it's fake because there's like there's emo person out of movie. There's rock star person out of there's private school kid out of and then like that's a wave of people walking down the street and guess what the next wave we got a whole new batch of characters. We got a Instagram model skater. We got skater boy and it's just like a ever-ending supply of people just like, I don't want to say a diverse group because it is a lot of pretty similar looking individuals actually. But there is just like so many, it was a really

cool. I enjoyed Australia. It was just so far away. Yeah, very. So far. That's why they said, it was just sent a prisoner aside. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Imagine if Stone Cole was around back in that way. Fuck. Guess what? There'd be one person in Australia right now. Have you heard about John Sena's last time, final time? Yeah, I've seen what they've been doing, booking-wise, and I don't love it. What do you mean just out of respect? Because you're a man who has been on a commercial dressed as John Cena. Correct.

For the WWE's biggest show of the year, WrestleMania. Right. You're a noted scene ahead. Yeah, exactly. I'm a noted scene ahead for a long time. You know, I would just, I would have liked to seeing him go out in a little bit of a better way, You know, not this unceremonious. We're calling John Cena the goat, which, you know, I certainly believe he is one of the goats.

But, you know, so what, that was the plan? Is this guy just going to fucking lose every match for the last two months? And then we're going to laud him for what he's done for the business. And I just, I don't love it, you know? Like, war games. Listen, I understand what the WWE is, okay? You just, and I love Dom Mysterio. love Dom Mysterio.

But if we're going to stay in Dom Mysterio and John Sina side by side, what are you talking about? You don't think dirty Dom is supposed to be it? Didn't he get powered bomb by a female W. Tihada bomb? Yeah, the Miguel Tihada bomb, named after the former Oakland Day shortstop.

That is not what it's named. Are you sure? That is not. Raquel Rodriguez is one of the most powerful people in WWE. She representing Judgment Day. Tehada bombs, John Sina. And then pop rocks by Roxanne Perez has followed up immediately. And then Liv Morgan

actually kicks him in a wee-wee. So that's my point. Why are we just defecating on this guy's face on the way out and acting like that's okay? Well, don't you think you should have known that they were there and that they could potentially get after him? He should have maybe had a little defense. Well, first and foremost, how can they see him? Isn't

the whole thing with John Cena? You can't see the guy. You can't see him. So how did they see him so easily? How could she just out of nowhere, hit him with him a gal to Hada bomb? I just, I don't get that. You know, I and I'll be honest I wanted you know and maybe this is the

35 year old version of me who wants to see I won't fucking take coming back out I want Kurt Angle coming back out I want some of these people God rest of soul if we you know what actually just for his last match

replay his fucking match with Umaga when the fucking top turnbuckle came down and Cina used that to get him in the SDFU and tap him out I believe Umaga was undefeated at the time But it's just like, that's the John Cena I want to remember. Not whatever. Oh, his last one.

Oh, great. He's going to wrestle L.A. Knight, maybe. No, well, L.A. Night. Thanks. Or going through, they've won a tournament to get to this place. But there's no history there. That's what I'm saying. It feels like there's a lack of Star Wars.

Yeah, I mean, exactly. I'd rather watch Brown's Titans for eight straight days than anything. By the way, the total for that game is 30. Yeah, well, okay, so there's no reason for you all to have had planned that it sounds like that's a great point. That's a great point. I don't know. But going through the most violent champion in the history of the business, taking on. If you want the other side of it, let bone wobble out here and then he'll tell you why it's been the greatest run in the history of professional.

What the fuck does that mean? Okay, he's the most violent champion. Who gives a fuck? All right? What do you mean? That's dumb. What are we? I thought he's not.

Yeah. You ever watch Kane in the ring? Oh, I forgot. He had fire. Stacey Keebler, by the way. Did she ever fucking suplexed stone cold? I don't think so. Trying to think back.

Most violent champion. Most violent champion. Fucking send that guy back to Austria there. We don't want him. Well, going through it is a problem. And John Siena's last match is next Saturday. It's on Peacock, I do believe. Saturday night's a main event.

It is live. from the nation's capital. Set my arm, quick. Thank you. John Cena's final opponent. We'll either be L.A. Knight or Gunter. Got to be some surprises, right? I mean, don't you think?

It's, hey, it's W. It's got to be jam-packed with surprises. We know that. New Air and starts tomorrow, bro. All right, that was not a real count. Fuck! So. I like to think that Sina,

we saw his end at WrestleMania. We were all there. We saw it. That would have been a awesome way to kind of end the whole thing. And personally, I just don't like what they've been doing. I don't like the booking the last couple months. And I'm not being a hater. You are being a little bit of a hater.

I'm not. You are being a little bit of a hater. There's a chance we get a chance to chat with John Sina. And we'll certainly ask him all these questions. And we'll ask him like, hey, you're definitely going to go win an Oscar. Like, he's an incredible actor. Yeah. He's a really, really good actor.

For the Tehadaabobam? I was going to say he's had to do a lot of acting in the ring because... don't get me started i don't we already have no i know and i we're 10 minutes in right now i know wait bone likes it though bone likes the path he's on bone just likes any john sina we can get you know that is which i i would like to say i'm on that team i am on the team it's like hey we got john sina let's just enjoy that we have john sina no matter what it is you know no matter how it started no matter how it turned no matter how it's going no matter what took place it's like it's still john sina do this thing you don't want to see your hero get

Tohada bombs, though. Or why it better be a little bit more alert then? How about that? Did you say pop rocks? Yeah. Like the videos on the internet? What is that? It makes pop with the pop rocks.

Oh, those. That blow up in the stomach. The candy? Yeah. No, it's Roxanne Perez. She hits Code Red. It's called Pop Rocks. Okay.

Which, Code Red, by the way, John Cena actually added into his repertoire. So Pop Rock's kind of, what John C, she kind of disrespected. She kind of did want to John C's, his thing's things too john sina you know but whose thing is it really because everything is kind of somebody else's thing yeah which is kind of the wrestling business if you ask a j styles he's actually been tweeting about that but let's make a pick for tonight's kid how's cold do it man

michael cole yeah how the fuck does he do it he's the best respect brother michael cool dude up for the final match yes well now we're talking i guarantee michael cole is about to throw fucking 104 on the fucking paint for this one. No doubt. It's his goat. Yeah, Cole and Sina kind of came up in this, bish, bish around the same time. You know, so like, and

Cole and Sina used to, I believe, travel together a lot. So they are very, very tight. So what you're about to hear from Michael Cole, Michael Cole, next Saturday night on Saturday, might be worth the price of admission alone, let alone everything that John Sings is going to go. And I assume the show is going to be

spectacular. Sina last. fact's cool. Well, seeing it came out, I guess, on Super Duper in Morning America. I don't know which one it was. One of the morning shows. I appreciate them doing his morning shows, by the way. I am a spectator and I appreciate it. I think seen a set on one of them that I think he's opening the show.

Oh, perfect. Yes. What? What? Let's get this thing going, man. There's great movies coming out right now. The rest of the night. If it's L.A. night, he should come out

as Max Dupree. Yeah, it used to be a good mall management service, but instead, you know, went back to L.A. Night. He's electrifying. I like L.A. Night a lot. I think Guntler's dangerous. I think he's very good. I've been in there with him.

He's dangerous. I felt him. And if I was John Cena, who's staring down in Oscar riddled career right now, I don't know if going to be the last guy I want to step in there with. I don't know if that's who I want to kind of see if we can get one for the gipper here. He's kind of a one-trick pony, so. Yeah, but that, it works, though. You know, it's like Mariano Rivera.

True. You know, he would throw that... That cutter. Every time. That's what Guter's got. This thing's a great equalizer. Gettley. Boom.

You know, you don't feel the man who practices 10,000 kicks. Fear the man who practices one kick 10,000 times. Well said. John C.O.5 hours ago posted this, and it kind of puts it all into perspective. Oh, he's already done? That's what... He's calling it before?

No, there's no way. He's got to do it. It's next week. It's what we're all talking about. It feels like he just said... Picture of a typewriter. It's over already. This is the end. Maybe it's typewriter because he feels old.

Those are words typed by a typewriter. It also could be, you know, the newest script he's received in the mail where it could be his Oscar-winning film. Well, if your name's on the first page of script or the last page of script, he does a fucking movie. I don't think John Cena said that, but that is certainly the guy from Batman. Yeah, Michael King. Who has an incredible accent. He's also a part of that one movie where the other English guy tries to save the world. Kingsman.

There it is. He's great in that movie as well. Anytime you see him. Now you see me, the magician movie. That guy's dead? Yeah, he died earlier this year. Holy fuck. He's in a lot of news.

Oh, yeah. He acted right up until he died pretty much. Well, rest and peace, him. And thank you for your services to my ears and to the movies. Your voice was spectacular. John Cena, though, actually good actor, right? Yes.

Yeah. Like, that's what we need to make sure he said, like this guy first shoot good actor. Yeah. Yeah, and he's going to have a lot more opportunities once he's done wrestling. But we don't want to see him go to wrestling business. you know, hold on.

And they've been able to see him in the first place. Hold on. There's maybe some discussions on he's dead in the back there. Go ahead, Nick. Did you say Michael Cain died? Yeah, he passed away. We talked about this out there. I was fucking, I'll tell you what, I don't usually do that, but I had to.

A couple months ago, right? Let me double check. I think he's still alive. Did I get got? No, we saw. I definitely tweeted. We got super sad. R-I-P Michael Caine.

Yeah, we got real sad. Oh, no. Hey, we got some good news. The internet saying he's 92, and there isn't a death time. Thank you, Michael Cain. What a fantastic surprise. I've been operating under the assumption that he's been dead the last eight months. And he's not.

Kind of like the lines now. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Yeah, this is. I mean, this is really good news because I didn't know that until you guys told me here just a few seconds ago. And immediately a bunch of, like, awesome movie roles that aren't going to happen now, just kind of disparate. And guess what? They're all back.

Love it. What a great day. Great day. Yeah. Let's make our picks for tonight. Okay. All right, Cowboys, taking on the Lions. Hopefully this clip gets to him.

Hey, Michael Kane. Yeah. Oh, no, I got divorced. I definitely wouldn't have tweeted in that. Oh, my God. Michael Cajy's a wolf. Never going to act again? No, I'm looking at it right here.

Yeah, that's sad. Like recently? Um, in 70s. In 1970s. In 173. It's an anniversary. To get divorced at 91, you must really dislike each other. You find something out.

Of 92. Yeah. Oh, fuck, I'm not doing it. Yeah, there it is. Fucking one hour ago, variety tweet. Vin Diesel wheeled Michael K. Yeah, there he is. He's fucking...

Two goats. Who is trying to. to kill Michael Kay before he was dead it wasn't to me. No, I fucking mourned the man. This is awesome. Yeah, it's great. I'm watching Batman tonight. What's Ben Diesel doing? Rock'em-Soccom, right?

Yeah, Rock'em-Soccombe robots. So Michael Kane's in Rock'em-Sock-M robots? Could be. Might be. If Diesel does another fucking movie before finishing Fast and Furious, I'll tell you what, Vin. A lot of your fans aren't going to be too fucking happy about it. Him and the Rocker back on Good Graces, I thought they were getting that all figured out. Michael Kane ain't doing fucking Rock'em-Sockum Robot.

He'll wipe his ass with that script of Vindiesel present it to him. This guy's an actor. He ain't doing a fucking movie about some Mattel toys. Michael K. Maybe 92 says, ah, fuck it. Maybe he says he wants to get in there. People already said I was dead.

Yeah, I guess. Maybe. I'd like to see, you know, maybe he puts on the cape and cow and he's Batman. We've already seen him as Alfred. It's true. It's just something to think about. In the wheelchair? Can you do that in the wheelchair? Can you do that in a wheelchair? I'm sure they can figure out. So many opportunities now that we know he's still alive. We're very thankful.

Michael Gaines still. This is fucking awesome. We are very, very thankful for that. For a great day, it's become. It is a great day. All right, let's make our picks. You like Dallas whenever you're getting on the program in the second hour. I've liked Dallas since the first hour, 78%.

Whenever the show started, let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Tone Tone. Can you give us an update, please? It's down to 76%. But the big news is that everywhere has gone to three and a half, though. That is called reverse line movement. Yeah, because. with all the money going to the Cowboys,

you would think that they would want to sway that thing a little bit differently to get people onto the lines. But instead, a little less money, and we don't know what the total money is, a little less amount of the bets going, 76% as opposed to 78% at the beginning of the show, but still a majority of the bets and the money, and they're taking it even further saying sports books are saying,

oh, that's cute. Actually, let's get this to 90% maybe. That scares me a little bit. Does that scare you? It does. Pretty inside baseball. Reverse line move. It is a little bit of a reverse psychology.

Sometimes. Sometimes we give the books a little too much credit as well. Yes. Sometimes. You don't know what the fuck's going to happen. You got to trust your heart. Sometimes. Yeah.

You have a feeling. Your gut. And even if 80-some percent of the money thinks the same way you think, and 78% of the people who are normally losers. Mm-hmm. think the same way that you think that's not 100 percent and sports books aren't 100 against us so i can very easily say i'm more confident in the dallas cowboys at this moment than i am in the detroit lines you've been watching i like the detroit lines

is this their year i don't know doesn't feel like it which sucks and i'm sorry dallas cowboys feels like it wasn't their year they've been playing really fucking good football Sportsbooks have to have seen that I don't know why they're seemingly different than what everybody else is this feels like a old ducky line here doesn't it does

that's a big big old ducky just had like a bunch of greasy food pizza yeah coffee right after oh it took a couple of double coffee actually super espressoed up and then massive ducky just that smells

fucking terrible that's what this line is right now And Eric, I told you about my 10 wiper. Oh, yeah. That was a crazy morning. That was a wild ducky. When did you start counting? So I use wipes, you know, and I'm on bus, so it can only, you know, flushing.

You got to really kind of walk. Careful. Got to be careful. So I'm counting. You get that macerator. It's called a masonry thing that chops your turds up in there? Hmm? I'm sure, yeah, the thing's really nice.

I'm sure it does have that. Is it down in the tube or is it, yeah, your finger-downs? Yeah, it's somehow in the tank, again. It's called, I think it's called something I've heard guys brag about it years ago called this one, hey, this thing chops the turds up. And then it's like luxury. I'd assume we got the turd chopper. Yeah, I assume that I have the turd.

That's cool, buddy. Yeah, then you got it. Oh, I'll ask Scott. Scott Misty, good people. They're good people. I will ask him if we got the turd chopper. But tonight, the dokey choppers. Tonight feels like this, this line's a little stinky.

AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? So I can get Dallas a minus three or plus three and a half. I came into this show with that opinion and I will leave the show with that opinion. And Big Mike, he kind of helped me double down on that. And I feel good. I feel good about his confidence in this Dallas Cowboys team. So yeah, give me that.

Me too. He's nine and three. Don't any of the points. Yeah, three and a half is good, but I take him straight up tonight. Don't get misconstruiting. It's not going to be an easy game. Tough place to play. tough AJ you can attest to this

what a legend he texted me and said that Galileo my god I've been humming queen since the show he's awesome he is awesome man it is nice getting to know him and for you getting a chance to re-catch back up

with him I assume oh it's huge yeah it's awesome because I talk to him now more now obviously in the show and then off the show as well and yeah he's he's a big fan of the program he loves you know like he sits there multiple times every show. He's like, I mean, where are we going? Like, what is this? Like, I think it blows his mind just how, just how it the show is. That's what, that's what makes

me laugh, is watch how much funny yet. There's about to be potential McCarthy season here over the next few weeks. It's kind of jobs start to kind of open up and potentially who's going to be where. And it's normally like six, seven jobs every off season. Could be more. It could be a little bit less, obviously, but that's normally the turnover. He was one of them this past off season. And it's like, well, he want to get back into the ranks? What it will be like? Where would he head to? It's crazy. There's so much to. kind of decide. We're very thankful that he joins us every week. And we're also very thankful for Prime

putting on a great game tonight. Cowboys Lions, we'll be back tomorrow. AJ, you're traveling out here? Yep, I'll be there. Thank you for doing that, H. You're heading, yeah, you're head down to SEC Championship, right? That's right. One verse two here in Indianapolis. That happens

all the time. Fuck that. I am excited to get that. There is an energy around the SEC Championship. Obviously, it does have an incredible fan base, incredible tradition, incredible history. So the SEC championship is a festival of football. Like, it certainly is that.

And once we get into that convention center and the show gets rolling, like 10, 11 o'clock, as it continues to fill up, it's, it is electrifying. Like, I'm not going to say it's not electrifying there. But man, the Hoosiers in Indianapolis in the Big Ten championship going for that's first ever undefeated. I mean, there's just so many things. And then Ohio State, obviously, being a well-travel, it's like this entire city would be fucking shut down

completely. I got a whole I got text messages from people that run the city and make decisions that were like, hey, we're putting together a proposal for you guys to be like and sending pictures. I'm like, fuck it, don't, please don't. Please don't send that to me. But they were going to shut that. The city the city was basically going to be shut

down for this entire thing. And it should be an electrifying environment. Not saying that the SEC championship isn't. Okay, I'm not saying that at all. And obviously, massive game for both teams there. Georgia might be best team in country with the way they've been playing legitimately. And it feels like they're the SEC's Ohio State right now.

Even Ohio State has not lost. Georgia, the way they've been playing, how dominant they've been playing. Certainly something. And then Alabama's had to go on a crazy run to kind of see if they can prove themselves to make the playoff. So it's obviously a great game. But like this Big Ten one is fucking historic. This one is like once first time.

Once in a generation, you can argue. Yes, especially for the fucking Indiana and the Hoosiers. Definitely once in a generation for Indiana. Indianapolis hosts a lot of things a lot of things a lot of championships a lot of college stuff a lot of professional stuff very rarely gets a chance to like host like yes Indiana shit you know like Indiana stuff so yeah it's all right Atlanta will be sick when I'll be sick it'll be fun to get daughter a lot of people watching football these days that's good thing that thing 57.2 million they said last week that insane 57.2 million that's awesome at the peak Christmas will be nuts. What are the playoff numbers going to be like for the NFL?

I mean, college football playoff numbers and the NFL playoff numbers. That's going to be gigantic. So to go back to what Cody Campbell was kind of talking about with scheduling and all that shit, you know, like if we want with Joey McGuire, who's coach of Texas Tech,

who I assume has been a part of this entire thought process with Cody Campbell trying to figure it out, he talked about the schedule being something that could be easily controllable. Them doing moving up college football and then running right into right now being college football playoffs,

like if right now was college football playoffs as opposed to having college football playoffs during NFL playoffs during days that NFL is playing on Saturday now it's like you could certainly draw a lot more attention and I'm not saying that college football is struggling for ratings it's up into the right

more people are interested than they've ever been second most watch league in sport in the country it's like gigantic but also the way it's set up last year I think people got maybe college football fatigue for sure with how long it ran in the massive break that there was in between games and it's like what are we doing now well now the playoffs are starting here and then this

game matters oh this one's on cw it's at the same time as an NFL game it's like how is this what we're doing for the most important college football and the semifinals were on Thursday Friday and if remember when the numbers came back those were much lower than all the other college football playoffs and i don't think a lot of people even knew it was happening exactly it was uh it was just a it's a weird set up so i think this year people will be more prepared for it because obviously it's happened before but also i think if they were to restructure that schedule and I think it would. Yeah, they will.

They'll be tweaking this thing forever. Hopefully, there's a lot of people saying that what Cody Campbell's pitch we don't need to either focus on. We got other shit that's more important from the government. The NCAA says, well, we can't do anything until the government does something. And then the government's like this, why are we, that we're trying to deal with like world hunger and all that shit? Why aren't you guys doing that?

So that's just a finger point in contest. Then you have to get everybody on the same page. All the conferences, first of all, kind of get all the conferences on the same page. conferences on the same page. All the conferences are made up by a bunch of people that aren't on the same page. You know, presidents, A.Ds, all from the individual conferences. A lot of on coaches and everything. I mean, you're the guy for the job, Cody. Go get him. Good luck, Cody. Put that fucking hat on. That's right. And go ahead, walk out there because he would be the only one, really.

Football guy, incredible businessman, has the backing to be able to keep up, but also feels like he can take the shots on the shins, you know, that is definitely going to come. Like, there's going to constant roadblocks in that entire thing because there's going to be people potentially losing out on power and money and anytime you do that there's going to be people that are going to want to stop that i mean that is just something that's going to anytime you're changing the flow of both those things power and money there's going to be a lot of people who have had both those things for a long time they're going to be like i don't think so yeah and uh cody's got deal with all of that but go on old man go on we need you we need you i'm happy it's something

me. Coach Saban's saying, it ain't going to be me. All right, but if you want some ideas, I'll fucking certainly tell you, but you're going to have it. It's not me.

All right, I'm going to get out of here. You guys are the greatest. We appreciate you all so much. Duky drops tonight at midnight. I would say not worth staying up for it. Catch it tomorrow morning. Catch it tomorrow morning. But if you would like to,

you know, pre-sit, get it now, you would certainly be doing me quite fair because I guess if people show interest in something, there's a chance that maybe that kind of goes around the platform.

You know, so if you want to, you know, kind of boosted a little bit and once again dukey is the most shallow song we got the most shallow but boy it's fun to call something fucking dukey you know it is a boom bang a little singing in there a little bit of a bop in there i think there's a lot of different uh content possibilities with this particular song and then hopefully it just leads to uh you know some more songs that are in the can i believe what they call as we roll into uh hopefully making some bangers for some people or

learning about an entirely new business that has been incredibly nice to me thus far. So I'm thankful for everything. I'm appreciative. We're back tomorrow, overreacting to tonight. Looking ahead to maybe the best slate that we've had all season for the NFL and championship weekend for college,

life is good. Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice and might change their life. We're in this thing together. Team on me, team on three. I appreciate you, boys. I appreciate you. Appreciate you.

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