The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 152 - AJ Hawk, Eddie George, And $1000 GIVEAWAY.. Let's Go

Episode Date: January 10, 2020

Today’s show is highlighted by two incredible interviews. First, Pat welcomes 4x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro, former Heisman Trophy winner, NFL Offensive ROY, and Titans/Oilers Ring of Honor member, Eddie George. Pat and Eddie chat about this weekend’s Titans/Ravens game and why he thinks that Mark Ingram is the key to getting the Ravens going, and why he has hope for the Titans with Ingram being hobbled by a calf injury. Eddie also explains why he loved running the football in snow and cold weather, and if he thinks the terrible weather in Baltimore this weekend is going to play a factor. Eddie also talks a little bit about his time in Dallas and whether he thinks the Cowboys will ever be able to be successful again with Jerry being more important than the Head Coach, and Eddie gives his College Football Playoff championship game pick (2:40-19:55). Also joining the program is Super Bowl Champion, 5th pick of the 2006 NFL Draft for the Green Bay Packers, friend of the show, and one of the most hilarious humans on the face of the earth, AJ Hawk. Pat gets the pulse of the Packers from AJ who has had contact with Aaron Rodgers very recently and see’s where his head is at going into this weekend against the Seahawks at Lambeau. AJ breaks down what we should be looking for in that game, and why exactly Rodgers ramps it up during these types of games when everyone in the media is taking shots at him. Pat and AJ also catch up and take a few shots at one another in the process (24:39-39:38). Pat and the boys also react to Mike McCarthy’s first press conference as Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys and also chat about Matt Rhule being introduced as the newest Head Coach of the Carolina Panthers and whether his coaching style will translate to the NFL. Pat also takes a phone call from someone who has a very interesting take on where Tom Brady may end up. Stick around to learn how you can potentially win $1,000 in another massive giveaway. Today’s show is a fun one. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Happy Friday. Hey, happy Friday. It is Friday, January 10th, 2020. Great show today. AJ Hawk is on the show. Every time he and I talk to each other, it is entertaining. He might be one of the driest sense of humor humans to ever exist. He is hilarious.

Also, Eddie George, who... He and I made a couple bets earlier, all right? He came back to rub it in my face. Great conversation about the Titans, the running backs, and just, you know, I think this is a type of show that will propel you into the greatest weekend of your entire life. I'm bummed for you. This could be a good weekend for you. I don't know if you're just going to chill. I don't know if you're going to for you. I don't know if you're just going to chill.

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the tennessee titans who just knocked the patriots off with their dynasty mountain ladies and gentlemen eddie george eddie pat what's up man eddie uh first of all incredible book collection behind you is that how you become a wealth management guy? There's no way you read all those books. I have. I have over about a 10-year period. I've read every single one. Wow.

I'm joking. It's all for show. It's all for show. I have not read one of those books back then there for those that are just listening on the radio eddie is sitting in front of a bookcase that has i would say probably 500 books in it it's one of the most impressive collections i've ever seen uh by one of the most impressive humans ever now i have a question we had a little bet on titan scouts game the titans won i was supposed to wear an Eddie George jersey. I'm curious. I was going to say, where's my jersey?

Why aren't you wearing it? What's going on? Well, I don't know if you remember. You know what's coming on. You had 24 hours to prepare for this. So what is the excuse? Well, I think what had happened was you see, well, actually, I think you're busy reading those books. You were supposed to send me a real one. I was going to buy

a fake one. Oh, I'm supposed to send you a fake one? You say. I should have spent my money instead of you. How does that work? You lose the bet, and I send you a jersey? Okay, so what I was going to do was. You want a dollar jersey? I'm going to send you one with the iron on.

How about that? I was going to wait until the Titans won the Super Bowl, which looks like. No, no, no, no. You're going to have to wear it. If you go down, listen, if you go down to Miami, you have to wear the jersey the entire week now because you can dig them a bit. And my friend, you're going to wear a cutoff jersey with nothing else underneath. So it's going to be a cutoff half jersey.

I'm not wearing a bear. A bear underneath. You have to do that. The entire week at Miami on Radio Road. I cannot wear a – all right, I'll do that one. I'll wear the – I've got to lose a lot of weight. I need to get a lot of supplements. No, as you are, right?

No, no. Off the holidays. Belly out, bro. Belly out. Hey, let's talk about the Titans, can't we? We'll make that happen. All right. Let's talk about the titans can we we'll make that happen all right let's talk about the titans uh also first of all hold on let's talk about what dr pepper's doing with the college football national championship you're a representative of dr pepper dr pepper's

all obviously awesome as are you what's dr pepper got going on with the uh national championship for college football they uh have a new flavor coming out They're presenting at the game is a cream-based soda. Dr. Pepper is doing, which I want from you, ice cold, along with the bet. And everyone attending the game will get one, but don't fret. They will have other opportunities for the public to get this new flavor that's coming out. It's quite delicious. It's refreshing. It's great when you come off of the back nine of a golf course after being five under.

So that's what's going to happen at the national championship game. Eddie, have you ever shot five under in golf? Again, I'm lying on that. That's a dream of mine. That's a goal of mine. I visualize it on my vision board. It's five under. That's on my vision board as we speak.

I can respect that. I can't wait to try Dr. Pepper's new flavor. Dr. Pepper has been steadfast in the college football, not only playoff, but in college football in general. Big thanks to them for all their support. Also, signing you was a brilliant move. Now, let's talk about the Titans. That game against the Patriots, Mike Vrabel goes into what seems to be an impossible place to win in the playoffs, gets a win. Now, it got very close towards the end, obviously, pick six to seal it. Now, they have to go into a place that looks like a buzzsaw right now with this Baltimore Ravens team with Lamar Jackson. Why do the Titans have a chance to knock off Lamar Jackson

and stop this team that looks like they've been unstoppable? Well, a couple of reasons. I think the Titans are playing their best football right now. Clearly, you know, defensively, defense travels. Mike Rabel understands how to prepare in the playoff game in this magnitude. Going into Gillette Stadium last week was a perfect example of that. Derrick Henry is playing out of his mind. He's peaking at the right time.

He didn't accumulate a ton of carries in the first half of his mind. He's peaking at the right time. He didn't accumulate a ton of carries in the first half of the season. He's peaking in the back half going into January. He's only getting better each and every week. And the fact that the Titans have played their first playoff game already, you know, Baltimore is at a week off. And typically in this matchup,

historically, the visiting team has won. And that week off, you know, you tend to, yeah, you get guys rested, but the timing isn't there, the edge isn't there, and the Titans are coming in with a ton of momentum. And for me, the big key is the fact that Mark Ingram is dinged up. Yeah. That offense runs through Mark Ingram as great as Lamar Jackson is, as dynamic as he is.

He's fantastic. That's going to force it. He's not able to carry the ball 25 to 30 times in this ballgame against the Titans. And Lamar Jackson has to throw it a little bit more. That's the problem for Baltimore. That's where it comes in. If there is a slight edge, that's what I'm leaning on right there

is the injury to Mark Ingram. I got a chance to call. If there is a slight edge, that's what I'm leaning on right there is the injury to Mark Ingram. I got a chance to call one of Navy's games this year and sat down with their offense coordinator. They said that entire option offense runs off the fullback being a legitimate threat every single time, right? Every time. Because if the fullback isn't

a threat, then there's no worrying about him keeping it or giving it because they can read it easier. It breaks down the smoke and mirrors. The smoke and mirrors is the fact that Lamar Jackson is making all these fantastic plays, which he is. But the only way he's able to do that is if the running game is going, if Mark Jackson is going, they don't have a backup plan for Mark Jackson. He's able to get five, six yards a clip.

Then everything else opens up. If it doesn't, they're going to have problems struggling against this Titan defense. Schefter said that they didn't have him practice yesterday because there was snow on the ground and they didn't want to tweak the calf. They said they feel as if he's going to be back, though. But there's – Really? Is that right?

Such a smart ass. I had no idea that Eddie George was this awesome of a smart ass. He's had two and a half weeks off, though. So, I mean, it was a non-contact injury, though. But the fact that he's still not practicing two and a half weeks later is kind of scary to think about. It's scary. You're right.

Exactly. It was a non-contact injury. So that tells me that there's something more serious going on in that cast. And even if it's well-rested, cool. Guess what? First quarter, if it's retweaked again, you're back at ground zero. So it's thin ice when it comes to an injury like that, especially for an explosive back like Ingram.

And, again, everything runs off of the running back, that running game. And if he's not healthy, if he's not 100%, and the Titans realize that, I'm telling you right now, that offense will struggle against the Titans this Saturday. Okay, so the Titans obviously just knocked off the Patriots. There's a lot of conversation right now about what Tom Brady's going to do. There's people thinking he's going to the Saints. There's people thinking he's going with McDaniels to the Browns, the Colts, the Raiders, the Chargers.

I think the Titans might be the only team that they said he isn't going to, and that might even be a rumor right now. In your eyes, he's 42 years old. He just posted on Instagram yesterday that he still has a lot to prove. What do you think happens? Do you think this is a leverage play with the Patriots so he gets maybe roster control or more money, or do you think there's a chance that Tom Brady puts another jersey on I think there's a serious chance that Tom Brady puts a jersey on otherwise I think they

would have uh figured out a way to extend him during the course of the season I think at some point the end is near you know for this dynasty for Bill Belichick, for Tom Brady. They have to have some type of transition plan moving forward. I do think there are still some more football left in Tom, maybe, you know, two or three more productive years. And I'm curious to see how he does outside of a New England uniform. I mean, you think about it, they try to keep comparing him with whether it's Belichick or it's Brady. Now he has an opportunity to say, hey, I am the GOAT, but I'm really the GOAT

if I go to a team like the Titans or the Raiders or the Cleveland Browns and make them competitive. Hell, he can go to Cleveland and just win one playoff game. He's a GOAT. He'll have to win the Super Bowl. Just get to the playoffs, have a winning season, and he's legitimately the GOAT. He has nothing else to prove a winning season And he's

Legitimately He has nothing else to prove But You know I think he's still productive Based off of his workouts The The TB12 workout

The yoga The avocado Smoothies I think he has a great chance To play five or six more years If he chooses to Five to six more years Eddie?

Because of the healthy fats That's what I'm saying The avocado. That extends you. Eddie, how long did you play? When did you retire? At what age? I retired at the age of 31.

I went down to Dallas for a cup of coffee. And, you know, my heart wasn't really in it. I could have gone to a different team and played a different role, but it just wasn't going to be the same for me after that. I just wanted to end the inevitable and start on another career. It was a difficult time, but you know what? I think I made the best decision in the end.

Yeah, I think so too. You're doing obviously well. You've got 500 books behind you. When you were in Dallas, I assume you got to learn about Jerry Jones. They just made a new hire with Mike McCarthy, who had a lot of success at Green Bay. It obviously ended a little bit ugly there with his relationship with Aaron Rodgers, but it was over a decade. I mean, that's going to happen. Sometimes people fall out of love with each other. You think Jerry Jones got it right down there?

And do you think Jerry Jones will be able to get out of his own way and kind of let his team do his thing? And that's the key. You know, Jerry Jones has built a roster that's competitive. I mean, you look at that roster, there's talent all over the board. He has the running back, check, defensive players, check, the quarterback. All of it's there. The only thing they lack is a winning culture and an alpha male, a true alpha male, a leader in the locker room in terms of the head coach. And I was there when Bill Parcells was

there. And that's as good as you're going to get in terms of a true alpha male. And it was an absolute disaster. It was dysfunctional, the one year that I was there for that small sample size. So in being there, there is a power struggle between the owner and the head coach because the head coach really can't do his job and get the groceries, if you will, and make key decisions on different players. And that's going to fit the system. If Jerry Jones is saying, well, I want to get this guy for marketing

or whatever, whatever. So I think Jerry has to say, hey, you know what? I have to delegate all these, all the opportunities and decision-making to my head coaches and let them do their job and take hands off and control his ego and let them do their thing. And I think they can have a winning product.

Okay. I'm excited to hear that. The Mike McCarthy press conference yesterday was – he seemed confident that he was going to be able to do his own job. Like he seemed – Yeah, and Mike has a strong – he's a pedig job. Yeah, and Mike has a strong pedigree. I mean, he's a strong pedigree. He's won a Super Bowl.

He's been in playoffs. He knows what a winning product looks like. He knows how to coach. He knows how to go out and get free agents. He knows how to draft players. He understands all of that. So I think that he can bring in a system, and he's a quarterback guru. I think he can take Dak Prescott to another level of being consistent

week in and week out and play at a superstar level consistently. So if Jerry Jones gets out of the way and let Mike McCarthy do his thing, I think the Cowboys can be extremely successful next year. Dallas Cowboys have won like one playoff game in the last 45 years or something like that. Oh, it's terrible. The NFC playoffs, though, right now are intriguing very interesting you got russell wilson and seattle seahawks headed to green bay i guess they're just supposed to dump snow in green bay before right before that

game gets started how do you see that thing uh carrying out now i was told this by josh sinton who was an offensive lineman for the green bay packers for a long time just a couple weeks ago he said everybody thinks that in the snow that if you can run the ball well you're good but if you have a quarterback that has big hands and can throw the ball well in snow and bad weather that's a real weapon how do you see this Green Bay Packers Seattle Seahawks game going in Lambeau with now the understanding that there's supposed to be a grumpy load of snow all over the place for Russell Wilson's return. Hey, man, playing in the snow is a fun time. I love playing in the snow. I did it in Cleveland.

Put a 170 against them and three touchdowns. No big deal. As far as this game goes, I think the edge definitely goes to the team that runs the ball extremely well. goes, I think the edge definitely goes to the team that runs the ball extremely well. If you create a new line of scrimmage and you're able to dominate up front

in the snow, there's only so much you can do passing-wise in those type of conditions. If you're able to control the clock in that situation, and I think that Seattle can probably do that with Russell Wilson, you know, getting on the edge, running a little bit more.

The platoon of running backs that they have, they've kind of found the chemistry with that at this point in time with Marshawn Lynch coming back. I think they can definitely get it done. I think it's going to be closer than what most people think. They're a four-and-a-half-point underdog, Seattle is. But I like Seattle to cover and possibly get the out wide run. Wow.

Do you think Marshawn Lynch? Those guys that are listening for Vegas, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're pretty big degenerates in this room here. Excited to get your take on that. Marshawn Lynch was serving tequila just two-and-a-half, three weeks ago. Isn't it amazing? It is, isn't it?

Now his workload is increasing, and that touchdown he had last week was awesome. It was a six-yard run. Looked like the old beast mode again. Do you think three weeks is enough to get the guy into good enough game shape to get him the ball a little bit more? Because they're going to need him this weekend, obviously. Clearly, yes. I think that's a great formula.

I mean, hell, I can come out of retirement right now, I think, and get you five or six yards, right? Let's go, Eddie! I mean, it's all a part of of retirement right now, I think, and get you five or six yards. Let's go, Eddie! I mean, it's all a part of the will and desire to get it done. I mean, listen, you know, we saw it last year with the Rams. There was a guy that came off the street, you know, two weeks into it, and he got them to the Super Bowl when Todd Gurley got hurt. So I think it's totally possible that we can see more of a workload for Marshawn Lynch in the back half of the season if they can continue to win the playoffs for sure.

All right, last question. We know that the College Football National Championship is on Monday night. We know that Dr. Pepper is introducing a brand-new flavor that's going to captivate taste buds all across the country. How do you see that game going, and what's your prediction? That's going to captivate taste buds all across the country. How do you see that game going, and what's your prediction? Man, after watching LSU against Oklahoma, my God, that was just ridiculous.

I thought I was watching a video game. It was crazy. But I think that Brent Venables, the defensive coordinator for Clemson, will come to find a game plan that will kind of unravel and rattle a Heisman Trophy winner. I think we've seen them peak a little bit, and there was a lot of time between this game. So I think it's going to be a close game, and honestly, I'd like Clemson to win it.

I think it's going to be a shootout. I think they'll win 35-31 in the Shocker. Do you think Trevor Lawrence is going to play next year? Ooh, I think it's going to be a shootout. I think they'll win 35-31, a shocker. Do you think Trevor Lawrence is going to play next year? I think he is. I think so, too. I think he's still a sophomore, right? Yeah, but there's a lot of talk. Now, this is just media people talking about him potentially holding out

because he doesn't want to get injured because he's going to be the number one pick, whether he likes it or not. Don't. I wouldn't buy into that crap. Me neither. Look, just play the game. We've seen that you don't want to take a year off, get rusty and all of that.

You want to go into the year with some momentum. The kid is a tough kid. After he got that hit against Wade against Ohio State, Wade was kicked out. He was kind of struggling. That hit woke him up. He was like, okay, let's play ball. He's a tough-minded kid.

He can take the hits. He can get it done. I like his game. I think he's a winner. I love him. I think hopefully the Titans can get him in the next couple years. Well, I don't know if they're going to need it. If the Titans go on and continue to win,

Ryan Tannehill might be the picture of the future down there in Tennessee. I can't thank you enough, Eddie George. Can't wait to wear your belly cross. Yes, can you please send me your address? I will send you one. I need that cutoff right at the base of the numbers, Pat. Right at the base. I'm so fat, Eddie.

I can't do that. I'm going to need to get on some real supplements. No, no, just as you are. I want you just like that. Ladies and gentlemen, living legend, Eddie George. Thank you, Eddie. Take care. Cheers, man.

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Joining us now is a guy that's won a Super Bowl. He's a living legend. He's handsome from the Ohio State. You can hear him talk on, I think, Sirius. He talks on Sirius. I think he's on Fox. I think he's everywhere. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Yeah. Ha-ha! on i think serious he talks on serious i think he's on fox i think he's he's everywhere ladies

and gentlemen aj hawk there he is what's going on man coming to us from a barn yeah it's a fake fake background pat i respect that you're a professional um this weekend massive weekend for our best friend Aaron Rodgers. Have you talked to him? What has he been saying? He seems to be getting a little chirpy with media people that have been talking down about how he's been winning and how they've been playing.

It feels like this is a nice game for Aaron Rodgers to come punch people in the mouth. Has he been getting chirpy this week with them, like during media stuff? A little bit. They showed him on things. Like last week he said, like, you guys keep saying we're winning ugly. The only thing that matters is we're winning, and then there's people that are saying things.

And listen, I think it's very well known. Aaron Rodgers does hear that stuff, and I think that kind of fuels him a little bit. Have you talked to him this week? How's he feeling? There's supposed to be a snowstorm. He's got that house in Malibu. What's going on?

Yeah, I talked to him a little bit this week. I think he's excited. Why not? I think every quarterback in the league that plays at an elite level, Pat, has some kind of chip on their shoulder where they don't want to – they're not trying to prove the haters wrong or whatever. But, yeah, they thrive when people tell them they can't do something. I think he feels like, hey, you say it doesn't look pretty.

We're not that good. We're not clicking on offense. Sorry. We've got 13 wins in a first round by like, sorry, it's not good enough. Yeah. I, I was sitting on a get up desk and it was a couple of days after they said that Ryan Tannehill was a better quarterback than Aaron Rogers and all this stuff. And I, I like, I almost, I don't, I tried to flip the table at one point i was like this is absolute lunacy right now but i will say this aaron rogers a few weeks ago said that he can see hole 18 right now and i think that was a motivational message he was trying to send to

the locker room like hey there's not a lot of these types of opportunities left where we have a good team we have a good setup for a playoff run is that how you took that and have you talked to him about what his potential future is no i mean over the years i've asked him how long he wants to play and everything and i feel like he's like thinking well why even worry about that right now i think he could easily play five six seven more years and you know like his arm's not going anywhere the arm strength is still there as long as he can find a way to stay healthy which he did this year i think he still fights through things that other quarterbacks may even sit out for like i think he's played through a lot of stuff always um that he may i don't know what he does in the

offseason to to get ready goes out there to malibu works out up at the top of the hill looking at the ocean and feels pretty good about himself so i think he could easily play five six more years last year whenever i called the Lions-Packers game, it was revealed to the broadcast crew, which I was part of, obviously, commentator, NFL commentator. I guess there's a job opening up. Wouldn't mind being the third man in the booth. But it was all about all the injuries that he was playing through

that was not being talked about by anybody else. He had a groin, I think. He had a knee at one point. It's never talked about by anybody else like the he had like a groin i think he had a knee at one point it's never talked about with aaron rogers nothing is ever talked about whenever it comes to that man in a way that is like a positive spin for aaron it's always a negative spin and i enjoy watching him go just kind of stick it to people yeah i think he thrives in that role i don't don't doesn't everybody like don't you after you got arrested for allegedly swimming, weren't you pumped to get back out there on the field and bomb a punt and then you instantly start

doing little celebrations and sticking it to the haters? There's no reason to bring that up. There's no reason to bring that up, AJ. Like right now, I am thriving. I am at an all-time high and you just had to bring up a moment where my mugshot was compared to Gary Busey and that other guy, the carrot top. And you just had to bring up a moment where my mugshot was compared to Gary Busey

and that other guy, the Carrot Top. And you just had to bring that up. I didn't know Carrot Top was arrested. What do you mean you're doing great? You're thriving right now? Urban Meyer hates you? I think it's a great time. He does.

You know, he and I have buried our beef, by the way. I'm past it. I'm past it. I think he's going to be the next coach of the Browns, by the way. You live in Ohio. Who do you think the people – you played for Cincinnati, which, I mean, you guys are great at football. But the Cleveland Browns, let's talk about them.

Who do you think is left for a good hire for the Cleveland Browns, AJ? I mean, isn't it all hands on deck to try to get Josh McDaniels there? That's what it seems like right now. They may surprise us, though. They may go grab somebody. Maybe what Salah, the D coordinator for the Niners, he seems like a guy that would thrive in Cleveland. I'm sure they've inquired about Urban. I just don't know if he is willing to go and take that step right now. How do you feel about college coaches going to the NFL? You and I are big rah-rah guys. We need to be motivated every single

day to go out and do our jobs. Matt Rule, who started in the NFL with Tom Coughlin, then he went to college, had success at Temple, Baylor, and now he's with the Carolina Panthers. There's always this thought about college coaches. If they succeed in college, they'll be able to succeed in the NFL, and I'm just not 100% sure that's true.

That's definitely not 100% true. I mean, look at Nick Saban, one of the greatest coaches of all time. He tried it for a little bit in Miami. Didn't exactly work out. I mean, look at Nick Saban, one of the greatest coaches of all time. He tried it for a little bit in Miami. Didn't exactly work out. I mean, the circumstances have to be there. The ownership, the GM, everything has to be in place. But Matt Rule, I know he's a friend of the program here for you. We sat there in a production meeting with him.

Remember, he said to me in the production meeting, he said, I'm like the least fun head coach to ever play for. And I said, what do you mean by that? He's like, well, I don't have like music blaring and warmups. We don't do this. Like we're just all about ball all the time. But his players still buy in. So he's got something going on.

I mean, Matt Rule got interviewed for a head coaching gig in the NFL after his first year at Baylor when they went 1-11. So obviously there's something that these executives in the NFL know about Matt Rule. There's something special about him. So I think he should be all right in Carolina. Do you like Mike McCarthy to the Dallas Cowboys? You get a chance to obviously play for the guy. The Mike McCarthy project was this video that captivated me and a lot of people to remember how good of a coach Mike McCarthy was.

Do you think he and Jerry Jones are going to be able to get along? Do you think he's going to be back on top? I think that's a big reason he got that job. I think from the second he landed in Dallasallas he and jerry hit it off right away and it's a unique situation to play or to coach in dallas when the owner is doing a media scrum in the open locker room next to all your naked players doing media scrum too like you got your owner standing there holding court that doesn't happen anywhere else in the NFL from what I have seen. Jerry does a couple radio shows throughout the week.

So it's a different kind of thing you have to handle there. And Mike McCarthy knew that coming in. But, I mean, why not? Who wouldn't want to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys? If you're looking at your resume and you said, okay, I won a Super Bowl coaching the Green Bay Packers, one of the most historic franchises ever. Now I'm taking over a global brand that

is the Dallas Cowboys with Jerry Jones. Like you're always going to be in the headlines. You're going to have talent on the team. I think it's a great situation. What happened with Mike McCarthy and the Packers? You think he was just too long in one place, kind of went stale? I guess. I mean, maybe change of scenery. People always think that. I mean, I think I've said to you before, like, when you have Aaron Rodgers on the team, you're expected to be competing for the Super Bowl every single year. And when you're not, who are they going to point to first?

They're going to look at the head coach. And unfortunately, that was McCarthy. And now, hopefully, it's a good redemption story for him. And LaFleur has come in in Green Bay and done a great job already. So, yeah, I don't know. You know, whenever things aren't going well, you always think, like, oh, the grass is always greener. You know, you've got to move on from him. So, I think he just got stale, I don't know. You know, whenever things aren't going well, they always think like, oh, the grass is always greener. You know, you got to move on from him. So I think he just got stale, I guess.

I don't know. I mean, who knows why people make these decisions. The perception of complacency has changed the NFL in all things completely. I mean, if you appear that you're complacent with whatever your team is without making a drastic fire or a drastic hire, it's almost like now with social media, everybody can turn against you like very quickly even your fans it feels like that happens on a very regular occasion there's no more patience there's no more like hey we got to build this team we got to do this we're gonna have to take our lumps

nowadays it's like you win right now or you get the hell on out of here yeah it's maybe it's uh partly because of all these young, offensive-minded play callers coming into the NFL. And, I mean, Sean McVay having success early on, not as much this year. Maybe that's it where they're always thinking like, oh, man, we've got to catch up. We've got to stay ahead of the curve. We've got to do what these other teams are doing to do well.

We can't just keep this guy in here and hope to be mediocre or be an average team that gets beat in the first or second round of the playoffs every single year. So, yeah, they don't have much time. I mean, look at Freddie Kitchens. I live in Ohio. People were juiced. I went to a camp, to a practice in Cleveland this past summer,

and everyone's like, oh, yes, we're going to the Super Bowl. Freddie's the man. Here we go. And then halfway through the season, they're saying Freddie's lost control of the team. He has nothing. He can't take control of these guys. Baker Mayfield's speaking his mind to the media, which I think he should always do. I respect that.

I hope he continues to do that. And we'll see who they bring in there. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Cleveland. Baker Mayfield, the best actor in the NFL right now. His commercials, every single one of them. Okay. Okay, Pat, you know. So people get so pissed. Oh, the Browns are losing. Baker Mayfield's in all these commercials. Guess commercials, every single one of them is good. Okay, Pat, you know, so people get so pissed.

Oh, the Browns are losing. Baker Mayfield's in all these commercials. Guess what, guys? He probably shot those in June and July. He shot all those commercials. He's getting paid millions of dollars. And millions! Yes, so if he would have turned them down, he would have been stupid. How dumb would you be to turn those down when you're probably

getting a couple mil to shoot a commercial when you're talking about a toilet being clogged or whatever at the stadium that he's filmed months and months ago. It's not like he's sitting there taking his shoulder pads off. Hey, Freddie, I'll be late to the meeting today. I got to shoot this commercial real quick and cash 1.5 mil. Like, that's not how it works. Hey, you know, Dak Prescott didn't film any commercials and he came out and led the entire

NFL in offense. So maybe Baker should do that. Yeah, you are. a Corpo media. That was a real statement that was made by people on television. I just wanted you to know that was a real – what I just said was a statement that was said by a lot of people. Dak Prescott shot zero commercials, even though he had the Salvation Army one and the yogurt one.

Sleep number. Yeah, sleep number. Campbell's soup. Campbell's soup. Campbell's soup. Anyways. Okay, so Meathead, linebacker, you are. Zero reported concussions, no chance of CTE. Congratulations.

Hey, by the way. Yeah. Incredible. It's not easy. It's not easy, AJ, in the position and the way you played it with just throwing your massive handsome head into people on a regular occasion. But there for, I don't know, I'd probably say six, seven years, the NFL became a fantasy football-driven league.

Offense, offense, offense, offense, offense. How do we score more points than everybody else? Let's go, let's go, let's go. Now this year, if you look at the teams that are remaining, it's all going to rely on the defense playing well. And I think that's across the board. The Titans defense has to be able to contain Lamar Jackson. The Chiefs defense has been the number one defense since week 11.

If they're going to do what they do to Deshaun Watson, let's assume Patrick Mahomes is going to put up a bazillion points. The Niners and the Vikings, if the Vikings defense can show up, will be a defensive struggle. And then Packers, if the Packers defense can get to Russell Wilson so he can't hit those deep shots, it feels like that's a win. Defense is going to decide these games. Is that standard and we just got lost in the numbers on the offensive side

of the ball, or is this kind of how it's always been or what's going to be going forward? I mean, it kind of always goes back and forth, I think. It's still slanted towards the offense, which I agree it should probably be that way. I want to see points being scored, too. I don't want to watch a bunch of punts and field goals. No one cares about that except for you.

You're the only one there. Come on. What the hell is this dude's problem? Just get back to the defense, will you? Please. Jeez, man. First off, also, I don't know who I am to you anymore. You had a booker.

Why are you going through agents to get me on the show? No, no, no. I FaceTimed you yesterday, wanted you on the show show because i got an email saying you were on the show and i was almost like why is aj not just telling me he's coming on the show why are you going through bookers why are you going through agents what is your are you two big time you got a fake wall behind you you got to go through a booker through an agent to get on the hottest rising show and in all of the land. Just text me, AJ. If you've got something to say and you want to say something on my show, just text me.

First off, your people reached out to me. I didn't ask to come on. I'm not promoting. I'm not wearing a Duracell shirt. That's me trying to pump something up. I'm not here pumping anything. So I got to text hey pat mcafee show would like to have you on uh you can do 11 20 11 30 11 40 and i'm like sure i think i can do

11 40 okay cool and they try to he starts to send me like instructions kind of i was like yeah i know pat i know those guys it's cool i didn't know that i don't need instruction i don't even know who booked you if it means anything i just get an email that says who's on the show. You know, I got a lot going on, AJ. But when your name popped up on there, I was very excited. I went to FaceTime you immediately. You didn't answer, obviously, because this is what AJ does. No, he gets booked by agents and then you don't answer FaceTimes.

I went to FaceTime with you. I've been busy. I missed you. I was excited for this conversation. Did you FaceTime me while you were on the air? No, no, directly afterwards. I'm a professional. Okay, good.

I know you are a professional. But, yeah, I mean, getting back to your defensive thing. I think you're right. I think you're right, man. I think it's interesting to see. I'm curious about that Packers-Seahawks game. I mean, Russell Wilson is going to have to have a hell of a day to beat the Packers at Lambeau Field, and I think that Packers

defense is going to find a way to get a bunch of pressure. We'll see how much Russell can elude the pass rush, and then maybe they can get Marshawn going a little bit. They're going to have to get some kind of run game going just to keep the ball out of Aaron's hands, I think, if they want a chance to win. Alright, we've got about a minute left. Who do you think

wins this weekend? Who's in the Super Bowl? You want me to go through each game right now? No. What do you mean? Just tell me who's going to be in the Super Bowl. Who's going to be in the Super Bowl? Green Bay and who in the AFC? The Chiefs will be in the Super Bowl.

Oh. Yeah. I think there's a good chance they play Green Bay. Okay. Well, Mr. Hawk, I want to let you know, it was an honor getting to speak with you i'm happy my people reached out to you yes thank you very much i can hear the music playing us out so thank you for having me on the show pat i cannot wait to go

through bookers and do this again in six months to you we have 35 seconds left in the show do you want to give like a little motivational speech to everybody to have the best Thursday of their entire life? No, I'm not. I'm against that. But you know what, Pat? I appreciate you fighting the good fight for us to where, like you said, someone said, oh, Dak Prescott didn't shoot any commercials. What the NFL and passing yards or whatever he did. That's a great thing. We need someone like you, a sane, rational voice to, I guess, straighten people out, keep people on the path and not worry about all the garbage out there. Well, I appreciate you. We'll be back tomorrow without A.J. Hawk.

Let's talk about Mike McCarthy being introduced to the Dallas Cowboys just yesterday via a press conference. Now, this is obligatory Dallas Cowboy talk, right? And it's in the first six minutes here, so the powers that be will be very happy about this. But Mike McCarthy is a yinzer, through and through a yinzer. And when he speaks, he still has that yinzer draw, everything he does. I guess what I was told was by Matt Hasselbeck yesterday

is whenever you walked into Mike McCarthy's living room, there was a picture of Three Rivers there, which is the original stadium in Pittsburgh, but it was set up for the Pirates because he was coaching the Packers. Three Rivers Stadium used to be both the Pirates Stadium and the Steelers Stadium. They switched it over like the Oakland Raiders had been doing for a long time in other places. But Mike McCarthy loves Pittsburgh, right? Diehard Yenzer refused to get rid of his accent. And I think that is why Jerry Jones probably loved him so much, to be honest. I think that is why he and Aaron Rodgers

could have potentially fallen out of love with each other because Yinzers are a different breed of humans. We are a different breed of people. I think Mike McCarthy had a lot of success at Green Bay, a lot of success, won a Super Bowl. I think he's widely regarded as probably the hottest coach on the market by all accounts. Now, granted, I forgot he's widely regarded as probably the hottest coach on the market by all accounts. Now, granted, I forgot he even existed until the Mike McCarthy project was released by Tom Palosaro on the NFL Network. But after watching that, I remembered I was like, oh, damn, Mike McCarthy was a very good coach for a long time. I think they got a good one. And after listening to the press conference, Mike McCarthy gives zero dams about anything. We have a couple of the highlights from yesterday's press conference.

Introducing Mike McCarthy as the new Dallas Cowboys head coach. I mean, I told Jerry I watched every play of the 2019 season, but I wanted the job. I haven't watched every play of the season, but it was just, I mean, you do what you got to do, right? Also, he said that now I love that mostly because when I was coming out of the West Virginia University, I was asked by a lot of coaches on whether or not I thought I was a kicker or a punter. I thought I was a kicker.

I played in the senior bowl as a kicker, all this stuff, whatever. So Bill Pullian ended up asking me after a workout with the Colts and the workout with the Colts, it went well. I mean, I kicked, I punted the ball well, I kicked field goals well for them, but the coach and I, I mean, he walked in literally the special teams coach walked in and said, I don't want to be here. There's two other guys I'd rather work out. Bill Pauly enforced me. First thing he said to me, this guy. And I was like, oh, this is great. Can't wait for this.

He wore a Maryland Terrapin belt. And at that time, West Virginia and Maryland was a real rivalry. We worked out at West Virginia. So this guy, he comes in. He tells me he doesn't want to be there. Bill Pauly enforced him to be there. He's wearing like one of our rival's belts. And then he just walks into our facility.

And this guy, I mean, God bless him now that i know him he's a pennsylvania guy loud whatever he was a good coach but after the workout i get on the the phone with bill polian right he's like hey how'd the workout go all this stuff i'm like oh nice to talk to you well he's like i have a question have you ever held before and i said with 100% certainty, yes, I hold every single day. I knew there was a chance that I could punt. Mr. Pullian, I obviously have held before. I view myself as a good athlete. And he goes, okay, sounds good, hangs up.

I completely forget that that conversation happens. I actually say after the workout, I hope I end up anywhere but the Colts because of the special teams coaching. I don't care if I end up in a CFL. I was anywhere but the Indianapolis Colts for how my and that guy's first interaction went, right? So then you fast forward to draft day. I get drafted to the Colts.

Mel Kiper buries me. Then I get to talk to Bill Polian. Hey, you're going to be our punter. I was like, excuse me. I forgot that we even talked about punting. Everybody else had talked to me about kicking. The next day, Vinatieri calls me, asked me if I ever held before because a lot of West Virginia people in the training room so he'd watch me kick before I had to come clean say no

I just wanted a job just like Mike McCarthy said I just wanted a job I like the fact though that Jerry Jones and Steven Jones just learned about him lying to their face in front of everybody in Steve I don't know if it was Steven or Jerry, but whoever was doing the... In the mic, probably my favorite moment. There was a couple more clips also from that press conference that we enjoyed. But I do need to tell a story about Saturday night when I was here on the interview.

And here I am sitting across the table, Steven, Jerry Jones, Jerry Jr., Will McClay, Todd Williams. Donner. And Jerry's telling a story about the purchase of the Dallas Cowboys. And at the end of the story, he leans over to me and grabs me by the forearm and reaches out to shake my hand. He says, and you need to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

and reaches out to shake my hand, and he says, and you need to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys. So I jumped off and hugged him, and I'll stop right there. We had a hell of a time. From what I've heard, now I'm not going to be somebody that judges somebody, but I do believe Jerry Jones is a billionaire that has a good time. Now, there's been photos that have surfaced. There's been the Dallas Cowboys party bus that drives around Indianapolis and every single combine the Dallas Cowboys party bus drives around from club to club and it's only about a

half a block drive and they leave the club get in the bus drive the bus half a block get out of the bus to go into the club Dean Blandino by the way was once spotted coming out of the Dallas Cowboys bus which was a big ordeal I mean indianapolis door in a combine is what the younger generation calls lit i mean there are a all the important people in the nfl are in town and they are tearing this place down i mean you got billionaires going into restaurants and clubs. You've got every coaching staff meeting up in back rooms of places, just getting absolutely hammered. All the head coaches are at places. All the special teams coaches are at places.

Assistant coaches. Indianapolis is the perfect place for this, by the way, because everything's walkable. Everything's close. And I feel like, aside from my arrest, where I was walking down a street shirtless at 28 degree weather, slightly intoxicated. It almost feels like the city of Indianapolis gets it. They're like, hey, the NFL is going to show up on their spring break here during this combine and things are going to happen.

And that Dallas Cowboys party bus is basically the epicenter of all that. Jerry likes to have a good time. And I think that's why everybody said you don't stay at Jerry Jones house for a night and not take the job. Mike McCarthy, I think, stayed at Jerry Jones house. And if he's a yinzer like I think he is, they pounded beer with Jerry Jones. They shared stories. I'm assuming that Des Bryant catch no catch came up in conversation. And I think they're going to be a beautiful relationship, to be honest with you. At what age do you think you start grabbing the forearm when you talk to people? I think it's just like you Italians.

Whenever I was young, I was taught by one of my Italian friends' father that when you shake somebody's hand, right, and if they try to power you, like alpha you, by turning the hand over, the answer is you pat your hand on top, right? Because what they're saying to you is like, hey, go fornic and you're like no no no go fornicate you right that's why that's why i like the pat on top of the hand i think the forearm is like that next step where it's like hey listen bang give me your damn hand we're shaking hands right now we're making a deal i think you have to have at least nine figures in your bank account you know what i mean he has 10

obviously at least 10 i don't know how many billions he has how many other businesses he runs but i think you need nine figures to do the forum thing i absolutely love that and i think we have one more right no that was it sorry okay i thought there was one more the um he uh nah forget it the des bryant catch thing oh he said which i should have told foxy he said uh yeah obviously that was an incredible catch. And then everybody in Dallas laughs. And then he said, but at the time it wasn't. I like that Mike McCarthy has not lost anything. Mike McCarthy did not sell out. Mike McCarthy did not change himself for that.

And I think for that reason, I think the Cowboys are going to be in a good spot. Mike McCarthy doesn't have to handle the interviews anymore. Mike McCarthy is only worried about ball. And now if Jerry Jones starts complimenting other coaches and starts throwing him under the bus, I don't know how Mike McCarthy is going to take it like Jason Garrett was able to handle it. But I think we're off and running at this point. He said he understands what he has in Dak Prescott. He's excited to work with Dak Prescott. Now, granted, Jerry Jones has not negotiated a deal with Dak Prescott. So he's complimenting Dak Prescott in his opening press conference. But he also said, I very much understand we're going to get the ball to Zeke, too,

because the only thing that can really help a good quarterback is a good running game. The fact that he is Ezekiel Elliott and Dak Prescott, I think Mike McCarthy's excited for the job, and I think he got broken off, I'd assume. I don't know if details have been released of his contract, but I'm assuming he got paid bank for that thing. It's good to see it kind of come full circle because that's why he got fired in Green Bay is because he wouldn't sell out and kind of change his approach. So it's nice

to see that he didn't have to reinvent himself to get a new job. I'm happy for Mike McCarthy. I am too. And I think most Green Bay Packers fans are probably happy for him too. Rogers texted him right after he got the job and said congrats. So it seems like they kind of put that to bed. By the way, anytime you have a long relationship with somebody and it turns cold time heals all wounds with that because instead of remembering the terrible time at the end

you normally only reflect on the good times like your mind is normally taught to look back on something and be like oh remember this good time remember this good time remember this good time as opposed to all the reasons why. That's why you see a lot of people get back with their exes, right? Because you don't remember why the milk was spoiled. You just remember when the milk tasted good. And that's why everybody dives back into that fridge, opens up that thing. And then once you get to the bottom of the gallon, you're like, oh, I remember this thing too.

But I think that's kind of what has happened with a lot of people. And I'm happy to see that it happened with Aaron and Mike because they accomplished a lot together. He accomplished a lot with Green Bay and good for Jerry Jones. I also love that Mike pulled this move that I do all the time. When you lied in the interview, but then you want to actually tell the truth, you do it in front of as many people as you possibly can because you can't get yelled at right then. That laugh underneath the microphone. I don't know if it was Jerry or his son. We're all joking here.

Son, you son of a bitch. Listen, you're going to watch every play now. Also, Matt Rule just yesterday was introduced to the Carolina Panthers fans as the new head coach. Tepper flew down to Waco to meet with Matt Rule and talk to him about why he should be the Carolina Panthers head coach. Matt Rule obviously signed a seven-year, $62 million deal that's potentially worth $70 million. But Matt Rule said he was not convinced that he should go to the Carolina Panthers.

Everybody assumed that he was going to end up at the Giants, but it turns out they hired Joe Judge before Matt Rule could even get there, so that affected his deal. I guess whenever Tepper left, billionaire, flew on his private plane down to Waco. Great airport down there. Great private plane airport down there. Oh, yeah.

I think they had Nacho Cheese. No, that was the other one. Okay. That was the best one we've ever been to. We flew into this one airport on a plane. Yeah. It was like somebody's house. Hot dogs.

Hot dogs. Nachos. Cheese. Movie theater. Faygo. They had his entire... I thought that was way good. They gave us a random person's car.

Yeah, they just gave us a car. It was awesome. Go ahead. Take it for a day. He flies in there. He meets with Matt Rule, I guess, and his family. And Matt Rule says, I'm not sure sure and then tepper leaves right i guess matt rule's wife said what are you doing and he said well i'm not sure if i want to go to the carolina panthers i guess matt rule's wife said you're going to work for that guy because i guess tepper who's a pittsburgh guy

one in there a pennsylvania guy went in there and laid out the type of franchise he wants to have the type of organization he wants to have he the type of organization he wants to have. He said he's from the Steelers. He wants to have a very consistent head coach and a very consistent message, and you're the guy we want to start that with. And I guess his kid also came down the stairs after that meeting and said, are we going to Carolina? And Coach Rule said no, and he turned around and stomped off.

So at that moment, Matt Rule had his kid and his wife telling him, like, you have to do it. I would assume the seven-year, $62 million deal came about an hour after that, and Matt Rule was like, well, damn, all right, I'll get on the plane right now, and I'll go over there. There was a rumor going around that they called the Giants and said, will you match this offer? And the Giants said no, and then he's like,

all right, Caroline, it is. Well, I have no idea if that's true. I have no idea if it's true, because the one headline that I read, and I think you can fall into a trap when you only read headlines. I mean, that is a problem in our society, not only in sports, but everywhere. When you just read the headline and then you don't actually read the context of the whole thing. It's almost like whenever, I mean, it did very well on the internet, so I appreciate it.

But ESPN posted, I said, just like in beer pong, you should get a rebuttal. But they didn't post my entire. So some people just saw that and i get people you know when beer pong though you sink two balls in the cup like i would listen to the entire shut up but whenever you only read a headline you can kind of fall for the trap the the headline said that the joe judge deal is what led matt rule to carolina matt rule did an incredible press conference yesterday rallied the troops basically told the fans what they can look forward to. He was everything that I saw whenever I got a chance to meet with him, whenever we had the Baylor game and then see him again down at College Game Day. And the big question that we've had now is who's the quarterback going forward?

When you sign a seven-year deal as a head coach, they're basically saying, hey, you can rebuild this thing if you want. Now, they're not going to let Christian McCaffrey get out the door because if you have a good running back, you're good. Cam Newton didn't play this year. Will Greer did not play great. Kyle Allen played well and then didn't play great. But they're basically telling Matt Rule that you can do whatever the hell you want. We talked to Steve Smith Sr. yesterday, and he said,

dealing with an organizational change, a lot of it revolves around the interview that you have with somebody, whether or not you're going to keep that. Matt Rule talked to Cam Newton for the first time yesterday on the phone, and this is what he had to say about it. You said you talked with Cam Newton yesterday. What did you take away from that conversation? That he's a passionate guy.

At the end of the day, I love coaching players that will tell me the truth. And there was no debate after talking to him that he's a guy that's going to tell me the truth, tell me what he feels, and he's going to listen to me and hear what I have to say. And so it was just an introductory phone call. I look forward to sitting down and getting to know him better. But I loved having a chance to talk to him. Okay. So now, listen.

It feels like when you have this position Of speaking into a microphone About sports If you don't get it You know 100% right And go off a hearsay Or your gut intuition

You're setting yourself up for A lot of jabs If you're wrong I don't think that sounded like a guy That's going to stick with Cam Newton That Now Matt Ruhle could be

Legit Because after that conversation After that In that interview guy that's going to stick with Cam Newton. Now, Matt Rule could be legit because after that conversation, in that interview, after that particular topic, Matt Rule says, like a lot of guys get a chance to learn about the team that they're going into. He said, I literally just got done with this Baylor season. I don't know enough about Carolina Panthers to tell you all my answers. So Matt Rule legitimately, I think, doesn't know what he wants to do yet. I think he even said

I have to talk to the owner and general manager about what we're going to do with everything going forward. Just need to remember this. If they let go of Cam Newton and let Cam Newton go somewhere else, like Chicago, for instance, if Cam Newton is gone, they save $19 million. The biggest thing you could possibly have whenever you're trying to build a franchise is money and draft picks. So let's assume they can't get any draft picks because they'll just let them go. They'll release them. I don't know if anybody will trade for Cam Newton right now, maybe like a third or fourth rounder.

I'm not sure if anybody's going to give him good, you know, because nobody knows what Cam Newton's at right now. I think it seems as if Cam Newton's probably going to be playing elsewhere, but that could change. But in that conversation, nothing was said there that makes me think like oh he loved cam newton he's rolling with cam newton i think there's a lot of decisions to be made but 19 million dollars is going to sound very nice to a guy that's thinking about rebuilding a franchise do you think that his style will translate to the nfl because for all intents and purposes he's a hard ass and he's a master motivator and as carolina kind of goes through this regime change and they get younger, is that the kind of guy you need to have for this new type of NFL? Will players in the locker room actually respond to that?

I think they're going to need his guys. I think they're going to need it. Not everybody fits in with the Patriots, right? Not everybody fits in with the Patriot way. A lot of people have gone up there and not had success and had to leave and go elsewhere, and they do succeed. I think the guy that ended up, Bennett, right? Michael Bennett bennett bennett went up there he's a great player great football player by all accounts said all the right things going in there hey i'm just playing my role

want to win but he ended up leaving because i don't think he got in with the patriot way i think they're gonna have to find guys that want to do things the matt rule way right seven years 62 million dollars is a hell of an investment they're saying hey this is your team you find your guys that you want to have. And I think that's going to be the case. Matt Patricia, when he went to the Detroit Lions, he cut and got rid of everybody, basically. They said, oh, we lost the locker room. He's still trying to find the right people in there. Hasn't had much success. Could that same thing happen with Matt Rule? I'm not sure, but they're going to have to find the guys that fit in with the way he is. He's a hard ass. He works hard. He goes hard. His players down at Baylor respected him a lot a lot obviously they won like 12 games or whatever i think he's gonna have to find

his people though but the college coach to nfl coach has not had great results right some people have done it but most of those people have started in the nfl matt rule started in the nfl but he started with tom coughley who very recently has had quite a falling out with the NFL. So I don't know how it's going to go. They're going to have to get his people in there. But they've given him a lot of time to build that. And I think if Carolina Panthers fans are patient, that'll happen. And you have Christian McCaffrey, who's a stud, a stallion back there that you can build around.

If I'm Matt Rule, unless I love somebody at seven, unless I love a quarterback in the draft at seven, unless I love somebody at seven unless I love a quarterback in the draft at seven I think you keep Cam because Cam at 19 million is is fifth is 15th ranked in the NFL which is probably where he should be paid and I see what he is after this injury and after he's been rested for an entire year and see what his motivation like is for a year so then you know because Cam's 30 he's gonna be 31 or something like that 32 next year I mean I mean, he's still, if you have a seven-year contract, Cam could be your quarterback for those seven years if he is re-motivated and if he's healthy, just to see what he is for a year.

There's no timetable on when they can release him, by the way, to save $19 million. They can release him whenever before the season starts and save $19 million. Pre-June 1st, post-June 1st, whatever it is, they can release him whenever. I'll be excited to see how it all plays out. If they aren't going to use Cam Newton, no.

The nice, the gentleman thing to do, which I think Tepper's trying to do, that's what he did with Ron Rivera, would be let him go earlier so he can go find a new home, like Chicago, for instance. They're done. The Bears have been done for a long, long time. Quick question.

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I don't know if you heard that. Sorry, I'm not too much of a southern boy, but I have a situation where it's all good. I thought of a situation where it's making more sense where the Saints don't have anyone under the quarterback, and you bring in Tom Brady, and you bring Taysom Hill back, and you basically have Taysom Hill learn how to be a true quarterback, and then Taysom Hill takes over in two years, and that's pretty much it. Brandon, I respect what you just said, and that option, by the way, is not off the board.

I think Saints fans will take big exception to you saying that Taysom Hill can only learn how to be a true quarterback behind Tom Brady and not Drew Brees. I mean, the fact that Drew Brees was not on the NFL all-time team was something that the Saints fans, the Saints organization, the Saints branch was not happy about, and for good reason. Drew Brees, breeze i think owns every single record that you could possibly own aside from having the most super bowls as a quarterback which tom brady does have so maybe taste of milk could learn that i they have teddy bridgewater in

there i mean he's up obviously but they could keep him in the building which they decided to do years ago making him the highest paid backup quarterback drew brees nobody knows what drew brees gonna three heartbreaking defeats now this one not as much as the last two but still walk off touchdowns walk off scores see you later your season's over drew brees thanks for all the records that you broke thanks for the incredible run that you did home field uh playoff game bye see you later that minnesota miracle i think is still glooming over their head then you go to the phantom no pass interference call then this one i mean if you're a saints fan you're saying hey they didn't even take a second to look at kyle rudolph kyle rudolph just said on good morning football this morning and i didn't push off they

reviewed it they said i didn't push off so i didn't push off big respect to big country for saying that because that's a hundred percent the right answer but the fact that they didn't push off they reviewed it they said i didn't push off so i didn't push off big respect to big country for saying that because that's a hundred percent the right answer but the fact that they didn't just stop for a second and look at it again i think optically wasn't great specifically because they made the review rule of pass interference because of the saints and the saints fans so i think the saints fans have a lot to bitch about to be honest with you i think they do for good reason but for me if drew breeze is done you have teddy bridgewater already there you've already committed to teddy bridgewater as the highest paid backup quarterback he went for an l i think sean payton loves him and he have tasem

hill still in the building i'm not sure they're going to be in running for tom brady but i love the fact that we're thinking about tom brady potentially being a saint because that's where we are right now in Tom Brady NFL conversation. So next year, who would you rather have, Tom Brady or Drew Brees? Tom Brady. I want Tom Brady. Now, is Tom Brady going to stink next year? Probably.

No. No. How do you just say that? Stunk this year. You think he stunk this year? Yes. I think he stunk this year? Yes. I guess he did. But now I understand that not a lot of people have weapons.

And I understand there's a lot of quarterbacks that deal with an issue of not having weapons. But whenever you're Tom Brady and you've been in a system that has had weapons and has had the ability, and then all of a sudden you have to just completely change that and not really have anybody, and you're pleading with your people to be faster, quicker, more explosive, get separation. You can see how he seemed mentally defeated this year, which isn't good, but he is ready for a comeback. And any guy that has six Super Bowls, I would like on my team,

if he can still throw the ball and he's still eating avocado ice cream, I think Tom Brady probably comes back better than ever. There was some guy that was a teammate of his that said what he learned most about Tom Brady the first time he stepped into the Patriots organization before we get to a break here. He said that whenever he got there, the thing he was most impressed about is that Tom Brady was in the same offensive system for over a decade and he was sitting front row in every single offensive meeting taking notes feverishly as if it was algebra class. I think what Tom Brady has is this competitive drive

that not only fuels him on the field but off the field as well, in the meeting rooms, in his diet, in his workouts, in all of these things. And we saw it in Tom Verst's time. His life revolves around being a good football player. That's why you want Tom Brady in your facility, because you get a little piece of the greatest dynasty in the history of football, not a pretty big piece of the greatest dynasty

in the history of football in your building to teach everybody else how you do it, how it's done. The Patriot way might be the Tom Brady way, by the way. We haven't found out whether or not the Patriot way works without Tom Brady in the building. I guess we'll find that out. But boy, all options are on the table for Tom Brady. He's got to feel damn good. I like Drew Brees. I like Drew Brees. But there's

no definite that he's coming back, is there? No. I don't think so either. Thank you so much for listening to today's show. Big shout out to handsome AJ Hawk and handsome Eddie George for joining us. Great conversations with them. They are hilarious, and I am grateful for their time. I am also eternally grateful for you for choosing to listen to this show. You can listen to a lot of shit these days. There's so much to listen to. The fact that you choose to listen to this show, I am very, very thankful.

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