The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1524 - LIVE From The NFL League Meetings, with Peter Schrager, Carlie Irsay-Gordon, Brandon Beane, Braylon Mullins, Coach K, & Mike McCarthy

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, & the boys are LIVE from Phoenix, Arizona for the NFL Annual League Meetings, where we cover all the news coming out of the Meetings and an epic weekend of College Basketball. In the first hour, we are joined by ESPN Senior Analyst Peter Schrager to talk about the Rams having trade conversations around Davante Adams, what he’s hearing on the NFL referee negotiations & the prospect of replacement refs, the prospect of OBJ returning to the New York Giants, and more. Also in the first hour, Co-Owner & CEO of the Colts, Carlie Irsay-Gordon joins the progrum & talks about the Colts commitment to Daniel Jones & Alec Pierce this offseason, Indianapolis being a potential host of the NFL Draft, what she is looking to get out of League Meetings, and more. To wrap up the first hour, friend of the progrum & Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane drops by to recap his epic round of golf with Pat yesterday, his work towards the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl, and more. In the second hour, UCONN freshman guard, the man who hit the shot of March Madness to beat Duke 73-72 in the Elite 8, Braylon Mullins joined us to talk about his confidence letting that shot go, what it’s like playing for Coach Dan Hurley, what it will be like to play in front of his hometown, and more. Joining us with a message for Braylon Mullins, 5x National Champion Coach K stopped by to break down Duke’s heartbreaking loss from his perspective and a deep dive on what kept UConn in the game and break down of the final play itself. To wrap things up, new Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers joined us on stage before the Coaches Photo to talk about how great it is to be back in Pittsburgh, his communication with Aaron Rodgers, how he looks at the NFL Draft, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN, ESPN’s YouTube, or ESPN+. We will be back live tomorrow from the League Meetings. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. More specifically, the Biltmore Hotel, the home and the league meetings. So this overreaction Monday, this program begins. Now, sports. We're the luckiest people on Earth that we get a chance to cover sports every single day. And for another couple days here in the last month, we get a chance to head out here to the desert. And it was cold as hell back in Indianapolis, and we think that spring is about to sprung in Indiana. We hope that the coldness is behind us,

but every time you come out here to beautiful Arizona, you can't help but think to yourself, wow, what a beautiful city. The weather seemingly hot as hell and perfect. And every time we come out here, something big's going on. Now, here in this hotel, right behind us, everybody in the league is here,

owners, GMs, head coaches, all the local media that we just walked into in a room or a building, I guess, on the other side. This is a celebration of sport. and also a very integral part of the NFL season. They'll be voting on things in here. There'll be some rule changes happening in here. There'll be some decisions made in here,

and there's a lot of people chatting about what the NFL is going to look like in the future. We have Carly Ersay Gordon joining us, the owner of the Indianapolis Colts. Brandon Bean, the general manager of the Buffalo Bills, will be joining us. Peter Schrager, who might be the mayor at his place. We'll be joining us here in a matter of moments. And a second hour, we'll have Coach Kay joining us. We'll also have Braylin Mullins, the Indiana Kid,

who splashed the 35 to 40 foot three yesterday for Yukon to topple Duke. Duke once had a 19-point lead at halftime. They were up 15, and then Caden Boozer could have took in a file. Instead, he throws it away. Mullins, freshman, 0 for no more. Splash! Punch your ticket back to Indianapolis. Yukon will be making it to the final four,

toppling the number one Duke squad. And once you see Hurley's parents react to the shot, it all makes a lot more sense. Dan Hurley's mom looks exactly like Dan Hurley. She actually says, holy fucking shit. And then dad goes, whoa,

we won. And then there's a video of what Dan Hurley did through this entire time. Well, he obviously swagging a little bit. And then he, y'all, how you don't keep moving?

Ref trying to talk to him. What's that? Whoa. What's that? You said, what's it? Hey, I heard you,

you try to get us. You were a Duke fan all day. How are you like me now? Some people say maybe that was a technical file. Maybe. Some people say maybe Duke goes to the line there. Point three seconds left. Knock it down.

All of a sudden, Duke steals the victory to the final four. And Dan Hurley's antics are the reason why. But instead, that ref was just trying to talk to Dan Hurley. Our source says have told us that Dan could not hear what he was saying. So he just leaned in, happened to go forehead to forehead with a guy he has a lot of respect for. The guy has respect for him understands the magical. moment is happening. Ref says, hey, we're just, we got point three seconds.

He walks away. But could you fathom? Oh, my God. Man. Could you fathom? Yeah, I could. If that thing, all of a sudden, Shire's like, huh, is it this a funny little turn of events?

Sends their shooter to line, got to shoot two, down one. What a moment. Their first one falls. Dan Hurley's sitting over there. Oh, no. Second one falls. And they get the ball back, inbound, throw up. Yukon no longer in the final four.

Duke, the number one overall seed who everybody hates moves on because of an incidental potential contact with forehead to forehead from the head coach. But instead, doesn't matter. Braylon Mullins hits one of the greatest shots in the history. 19 point comeback for Yukon as they punched their ticket. They're not the only ones. Obviously, Michigan beat the absolute dog shit out of Tennessee. I mean, that was a pounding.

It was kind of bad for March Madness. From the beginning to do for one of those. It was kind of bad for March Madness, but Michigan does their thing. Arizona beats Purdue. Now, that's another one. Hey, hey, Arizona's a problem. Go ball club. Arizona's an absolute problem.

Can I wait to watch them? In Illinois, those itches are good. Those itches are good up there in Illinois. I don't, it's personal preference. I don't like orange. Sure, okay. I just don't like the color. Sure.

So I think since birth, I'm not supposed to like the way they look. sometimes because there's a lot of orange up there. But the way they play hoops, I love it. Little Stoyakovich. This guy is awesome. This guy is awesome. Love the way they're playing. They got a kid from Indiana as well with the ponytail. Love everything about that.

And then obviously Illinois knocks out Iowa, which obviously sends the Hawkeye fans into massive heartbreak. So we got a chance to cover everything. And what Breland Malins joining us, I believe Coach Hurley will be on tomorrow with us. Cannot wait to get a follow-up with him about the forehead to forehead, but who cares.

19 point comeback. He never wavered. That's great coaching. That's good culture. We now have her final four in Indianapolis. We cannot wait to be there. Now, let's turn our attention to the place in which we are. It's not just me here. And shout out to the entire crew that pieced us together in a parking lot in Arizona. It was a hundred and ninety five degrees. Okay. Lady named Holly, he was at basically every single show. Yeah.

She's yesterday. She's a bit brew. I want to let you know yesterday. It was a bit brew. Scott, Cajun, Mawley. who's on the jib. Scott is an incredible talent. He's one of our guys now. He was on jib from Louisiana. Hot is held down there. He goes, boy, yesterday about 1, 1, 131, 2 o'clock. We're cooking out here. So thank you to everybody for your hard work to make this happen. We're lucky to be here. It's not just me. Talks the tables here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. Conman league meetings here. We're out of this building. Shout out to the NFL for letting us do this. Shout out to the ESPN. Folks,

you're piecing this whole thing together. Faso, getting us invite. We're actually credentialed now. Love that. Credentialed to be here, which is great news. A lot of news coming out of though con man a lot of people talking right now yeah it feels like everyone's very comfortable being out here which makes sense just because of how nice it is but uh to your point about everyone talking bob craft he's already kind of been out there hey look we're doing 18 games we're doing two preseason games those don't mean anything don't even why we're doing two and we're doing two by week so uh the marching orders it seems is hey get ready because this 17 game thing is cute 18 games can be even better carly ursay gordon uh she came out this morning and whenever she spoke as well same thing like the 18

talked about the health and safety, though, the players, but also talked about the importance of preseason and ramping up during training camp about building a team. Remember, Carly Arsay Gordon, boots on the ground for all of this. I think she literally has only learned through players, coaches' perspective and how she should be running an operation. Has to make a lot of decisions.

Her, Kaylin and Casey, obviously, at the helm of this thing, but she came out with the 18 game as well. It does feel like there's, hey, NFL fans, we know what you want. You love ball, right? Hey, and if we add a by week, that's two more ways. week, that's two more weeks of ball. And now you got J.C. Treter, the new executive

chairman of the NFLPA, going to have to kind of figure out how this deal is going to get done, how much more money, what are they going to give up, what are they going to take? That's always the back end of it all, is a negotiation, especially with the CBA. But it feels like 18 games is inevitable, and extra buy is probably inevitable. So that's two more weeks of prime time games

that they can sell. Love it. Okay? Conman loves it. You add those at the end of the season, too, whenever college is doing, it's a two-month off thing. That's Saturday night, that's Saturday afternoon. That Sunday afternoon, that Sunday night. You could potentially roll that thing into Friday. I mean, there is a lot of massive money to be made off of two more weeks of prime time.

So you can see why that is a point of emphasis here. Also talking about the refs. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Tone. Good to see. You're glowing. You're glowing out here. Thank you.

Two chains, but you got you a few on. Sunglasses look spectacular. Really good look for you here at the league meeting. Baseball's had a real effect on me as of late. I saw a couple of pictures wearing necklaces similar this, so I decided to throw those on. and do that. And once you're out in Arizona, you just got to feel it,

baby. Yeah, you can't. If you can feel it. You can chase it. Yeah, that's right. It feels like you've got two different movies going on right now in your life, but I appreciate that you're doing that.

And I do like that you kind of just blend in with whatever you're watching. That sleeve right there is because the World Cup. Yeah, it is. And then I watched a piggy blinders movie last night. I started this morning with an accent. It eventually came out. Smoking cigs today?

Yeah, probably going to smoke a couple sigs after the show there. And going to have to do it? Yeah, this is spectacular to be out. I'm a chamellion. Isn't crazy we're out here, though? It's insane. I was walking in there. You know, I saw Mr. Cronky.

I saw Mr. Kraft. And then, you know, Ryan Poles was walking. But everybody is here. And that was just when I was taking a shit. Like, they're everywhere around here. Yeah, and to go to take a shit, remember, you've got to walk by all the billionaire security. Yep, exactly. You've got every billionaire here has their own security.

You got dogs out here. You got league security. You got, this place is pretty crazy. Very lucky to be credentialed. There's a man that we have working for us on this particular thing that has a calf tattoo and a wrist. brace. It's like a bowling brace. And also an elbow brace. This guy, I'm happy he's on our team. And these billionaires need to know that if this fucking guy's here, nothing's getting past. So we are thankful that he is on our team. And somebody's going to tell him we were just talking about him and we will expect him to take on any bad guys that come in here.

Nine-year NFL vet, one of the smartest dudes I've ever talked to. And that you've ever heard talk about ball. D. Batch, let's talk very quickly here. refs potentially being called in from New York is getting voted on here. 18-game season seemingly getting really pressed in this particular time. The refs association negotiation is going to be a big part of, hey, we're not talking about it here because it feels like it's getting very real. There's even a thought that they're going to start hiring replacement refs soon so they can give them like a crash course and basically not screwing up at a billion-dollar league.

DeButs, your thoughts on everything that's kind of being chatted about both the 18-game season and the refs relationship with the NFL? Yeah, obviously we need the. the ref situation taking care of, obviously for the fans, just the product that we watch. And then the product that people are betting on, betting their hard-earned money on the best in the business out there on the field. But as far as the 18 games go, you know, whenever I hear news like this, my first thought is obviously players with the health and safety element and the component of it, adding

that extra game. Are we going to have more players injured? Are we going to have more quarterbacks injured when it's time to get into the playoffs where the games really matter? But, you know, where I am now sitting here in this chair, talking the extra game, the extra money for the players, all those things are obviously important as well. So, but like common said, they kind of got their marching orders.

They're kind of always in lockstep these owners. So it will get done. I just hope it gets done in the best way possible, the safest way possible, the extra buy. We could obviously be huge and everything else that comes along with it. But, I mean, extra football, if the games are good, which we assume they will be. And obviously, you know, the different packages and different partners that will be out there. I'm excited about it. Yeah, it's not like a.

Expansion conversation with the NBA different. Because, like, is there enough good players for the teams? Is there enough good teams right now? Because we're watching NBA games, and it's very clear that... The answer's no. Yeah, there's eight of them. Yeah, exactly. So expansion, your immediate question is, do we have enough...

Like, when the NFL went through expansion, I assume the big question is, do we have enough good quarterbacks to have more teams? Because if we don't have enough good quarterbacks, all of a sudden, we're the USXFL. Russ Dick put on a hell of a show. Yes, as it is. As always awesome. Yes, he certainly did. So more games, you think, do you have enough talent for that?

Yes. people be able to hold up, that's the huge question. That's why there's so many different clauses coming out, like maybe players other than quarterback can only play 17 games in a season, so there's mandatory some sort of body management. It's like, well, how do you pick and choose when you're going to have

Miles Garrett on a field? Can't have it. Maybe it's over a certain payroll. You've got to play certain games because then it becomes part of negotiations. I have no idea. But the attrition of the league is certainly one that will be talked about. That's why the health and safety is so important. Yeah. Anytime you hear an owner come out and speak about this, they're going to say,

healthy safety I just one more players to be okay first thing's health and safety please now on that note these preseason games they're not really hitting each other right so we can

get rid a couple of those practice they don't need to practice do they get them out we don't need to practice do they get them out we're getting two more primetime games remember that that's what we're getting billions of dollars here we don't need any of this stuff and then you get rid of all that stuff because you want more of this stuff and all of a sudden this stuff actually is

what calluses you so you don't get hurt. It's almost like there's a potential zoom in conversation about, well, we need to get rid of stuff because that's where they get hurt. It's like, well, what if that's actually saving them from getting hurt in the future? So you need that. So how they end up getting to 18 games with an extra buy,

I have no idea. It feels like that's going to be a lot of conversation, a lot of discussion, but us as football media, we appreciate it. Speaking of being football media, we would like to say, we are doing some super journalism here. The league invite us here, the league gave us credentials here that's right yeah i think they provided us with the water

and refreshments here today really so i would like to say we will be stern but fair with these ref yeah yeah association negotiation right down the middle on that we'll be fair of both sides yeah fair balanced i can't be having a face mask and the game on thursday night football and lose the bet because of that and then not have to hear from the ref and not have any accountability and that ref not get fired, and that ref not have to get better in the spring, and that ref be able to disappear after a Super Bowl without having talked about anybody.

We can't have that. On that note, can't have the refs getting short change by the NFL. They are a very important part of the entire game. You ask any player or coach, they would say the refs are the thing that you've got to get figured out the most. People's asses have gotten fired. Legacies have been ruined. Families have not been able to fulfill their entire dreams

of being at the very top of the football world because they've had a couple bad calls go against them, inevitably get their asses kicked out of the league. So I know that the refs are very important. The refs know they're very important, but we also need to evolve a little bit here, refs. Yeah. Okay?

Okay? Because I don't know if you're seeing what's going on in baseball. We need that. Oh, love it. Hey, baseball's new to us. Me. I want to speak for everybody. Me too.

You can say us. I'm in there as far as day to day. Not these guys. These two guys. These two guys just bought Mitz yesterday because they heard they saw nice. Bought two new mitts. Yeah. But I'm new to the baseball, okay?

so I like what they're doing over there. Love it. We got shorter games. We got bats getting flipped. We got outfielder's pimping robbed home runs. And now we got catchers, who I assume since the beginning of baseball, have been telling umps that they're wrong.

I assume these catchers and umps have been having a conversation about the strike zone since the beginning of baseball. And the ump is always the authority. So catcher always has to come on. And the ump goes, oh, why don't you shut up? Catcher throws it back.

frames one calls a ball come on dude guy goes hey i don't eat any of your shit now this is incredible yeah four straight pitches i do believe or three straight pitches catcher going right after he ball is that right yeah fucking run it on the jumbo tron so now the entire place 40 000 people are watching salvi congrats to him by way yeah manzese Venezuela he did it with them he was great leader he got a tattooed on his thigh yeah Winning the World Baseball Classic. Boom, just like I said, puts the helmet back down, sits back down. Next pitch.

Ball. We're doing this again. It sees. All right. Run that thing. This guy goes undefeated against this hump. Yeah. This ump now has to sit here.

Oh, yeah. And take this entire thing. They've never had to do that in the history of baseball, right? The umps have always been the, oh, yes. That's why that Dominican Republic game where the ball was so low and he called a strike. What baseball people said, the ump just gets to do whatever he wants. Now they're getting publicly executed by these catchers. I love it.

Boy, these umps are going to hate this, though. Oh, yeah, for sure. But it should, you know, I don't even know if you can say it's going to hold them accountable because I think guys kind of just have their zones and they're going to, they're going to get killed either way. But like, yeah, CB Buckner, who they were talking about during the Reds and Red Sox game, I think he had like six or seven. Reds win five for five.

Yeah, exactly. So like that obviously, that might make them say like, hey, this guy can't be umping behind the plate. but it really has added a new element to the game because it's not only the catchers are, you know, mostly the ones who are challenging stuff, but sometimes like the pitchers have been going off the mound and challenging it to. It kind of just, it ratchets up everything. We saw our first ejection related to it yesterday.

So, you know, it's one of those things where they were wondering how this was going to end up faring. And I think through, you know, one week of the season or a couple days here, it has been a rousing success. There's a guy that basically pimped a walk. Like he got called Strike 3. He challenges right away and then starts, yeah, a Rosarina. He starts walking down the first baseline, takes off his, while they're still reviewing.

Boxy. Taking off, yeah, his ankle, shin guard, whatever, taking off his gloves, the whole entire thing. And then by the time he's on his way to first base, ABS comes in. Yep, that was a ball. So it's almost as if you can pimp walks now as well. It's sweet. I love that. And now these refs are kind of in the negotiation with the NFL and we're seeing what's going on in baseball.

That's going to be a fascinating dynamic. Oh, yeah. Because I think every fan really enjoyed watching the Yumpy wrong publicly. Yeah, yeah. And I would assume every player in the history of professional sports who's ever been bamboozled by an officiating call saw this ABS and said, yes, this is everything that we love. Speaking of everything that we love, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who might be the mayor of this entire place. He's a man who knows everything about everything.

Pierre Schrager. Good to see you, Shreg. This is yours, bro. Thank you for coming. You look unbelievable. What up, Shregge? I like the sunglasses. The mayor.

Make sure that wires. How's that look? I think your wires up in your microphone there. You've got to go under, I think, the other way. Amateur. Just throw it over your right shoulder. Like a continental show. It's like a movie style.

It's a movie style. And a baby drink. Peter Schrege, maybe the mayor of league meetings here. Shreg, thank you for joining us. Great to see you. Thank you for the recommendation of the pizza place. Let's talk about it. Dude, Mr. Bianco,

Paizao and Bianco from Pizzeria Bianco last night In the end of a plaza, like a shopping mall Walk in there, unbelievable. You got a Twin Peaks, you got a massage envy, you got a few things. We walked right into a shopping mall, strip mall, Pizzeria Bianco, Chris Bianco, the chef, one of the greatest pizzas you'll ever have. And Pat, I loved having dinner with you guys.

It was an aunt. We had no plans. And then all of a sudden you had plans. And it was like, yeah, we will do your plans. So we're very thankful for that. The pizza was spectacular. Let's talk about you understanding that and also knowing this place better than anybody.

You told me that the NFC coaches will be sitting in there and we could go in there because we're credentialed media and get an interview with them. That place was packed out. But we're getting quotes from everybody right now. This feels like a big time for the quote getters of the NFL. You only get so many times in the off season to speak to these coaches. Typically it's the combine, but they can opt out of that.

They have to speak at the league meetings. And if you see this room, it is a monstrosity of media all over the different coaches, but they each have their own table. And there's a couple rules as unspoken ones. It's a 30-minute session. You get in there, you ask a few questions, you let others talk. But one thing that I'm always disgusted by, disgusted by, it's a 30-minute breakfast session, and some of the reporters feel the need to bring in their eggs and just shovel food in their mouth for 30.

You have 30 minutes. Yeah, but they're showing respect to the event. Of course, but do you need to be eating your fruit plate and your berries and then worse off the syrup with the pancakes in front of the coach? No, you don't do that. you dress in a shirt and tie or at least a jacket and some guys didn't. But you know what, Pat, there's a lot of great quotes and we get some information. You guys are obviously. Yeah, we should have a little bit more respect to the room.

I have a bathing suit shorts on right now, okay, because I didn't pack enough good clothes. It is so hot out here. I don't know how you suits do it, to be honest, out here. The suits of Arizona. That's awesome. This is a mental tough group out here. No doubt. It's out here, for sure, with how hot it gets.

Okay, let's talk about some of the quotes that came out. McVeigh came and said, yeah, we were thinking about. about training Devante. Devante knew about it the entire time. Feels like McVeigh has always been super transparent about everything that he's thinking. Well, he said he's learned. He said, like, I wasn't always this way when I was younger.

And I've learned that the best thing to do is just come to the player right away and tell them straight up, like, hey, yes, there are conversations being had. Devante Adams, 33-year-old player. He's been to five NFC championship games. They knocked on the door. They love Devante Adams. But he said, yeah, people have called about you, your contract situation. We have had conversations, but we love you.

and we just wanted to let you know if you heard it from a third party that we have had those conversations. I think that's the way to go about it. I think if you'd go early in his career, he was a big time swapper, big time trader. Maybe he didn't handle the Jared Gough situation the best way possible. You're talking about it, Mexico, Donner with Jake Clay. They were jumping into hot tubs with Andrew Whitworth.

Celebrating with all this stuff. Not necessarily the best way to go about it. So he's just like, I'm always going to be up front. I'm always going to do that. Now, one thing that McVeigh did, I was at that table for a while, which I thought was pretty funny. He walks all. off the table and everyone says, all right, we're wrapping up.

His PR guy, artist says, we're wrapping up. He goes out of his way to go by the Seattle table, sees Mike McDonald's, and they're not, like, best friends, but they're competitors. And he's like, did you ask him about that two-point conversion play? And just kept on walking. And all the Seattle reporters were like, and McDonald's had something in return.

But, like, that's a good rivalry and a good chirp from two boys from Georgia. Yeah, very young, very offensive guy, very defensive guy. I love that that's cooking in the NFC West. That room was filled with everybody that hates our guts. that is the local that is the we are journalists room if I've ever seen it fun time walking around there

did they give you dirty looks though no everyone embraces right yeah hugs all right yeah yeah yeah yeah that's how goes rings and I am very just like yeah I forgot what you said I'm very much like that yeah I think that's a good thing I don't think I fully realized that about this place like what we signed up for here I don't think I fully understood who we're going to be around as much as we're going to be around

good learning experience yeah it's a good learning experience Yeah, this is a good learning. Every coach, every GM, every owner, every coach GM owner's family. And then you also have every working journalists that is credentialed here. So it's this giant convention, but there's no players, no agents. And there are league officials, which is why you're getting a lot of that league news this week. Yeah, I missed that last one, the every credentialed journalist in the league. I missed that last one when I was going through the box to check of how many people were going to be here.

But I thought we're getting some special access. No doubt. Turns out we got an awesome set, though. Yeah, we did. Very, very grateful for it. Very, very grateful for it. but I did not expect to walk in that room. Debutt has a question for you.

Shrakes, what's your feel so far on this referee deal? Do you think it's going to get done? How is it going to get done? Are we going to actually have replacement refs in the NFL coming up? Well, I'll tell you, this is the behind the scenes a little bit. Everyone in the league got a memo saying, don't talk publicly if you're a team official about this. Let's leave this for 48 hours. Don't have any comments, try to dismiss.

That was from the league, a memo from them. So already you feel like, okay, well, then that means tensions are heightened. And then you got some talking points that everyone got the same people that always get all those same information. They all got the same information about what the league has opened up as far as conversations go. And then Scott Green, who's the official's union leader, he came out and was like, that's BS. Here is this, this, this, and this. So it's very public right now. Everyone's kind of chirping back and forth.

But the league learned its lesson in 2012 when they went through the replacement refs situation. A lot of those people were unprepared. so I would not be shocked if you see some D1, D2, D3 officials getting a little bit of extra work maybe during training camp or potentially during OTAs at these teams just to see if we can get those balls in motion if this thing doesn't come to be. Not actual D1 or D2 refs, though. No? It would not be. This would be the D3 in high school because none of the D1, the D1 refs think those still will make the NFL so they're not going to piss off the refs. Interesting.

Yeah, you got to remember that. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. They're not going to anybody that thinks they're going to be able to. make it to the NFL as a ref will not do it because they don't want to scab. They're crossing the picket line like the 87 NFL jury.

Yeah, that's a real thing. Interesting. Yeah, that's why. I haven't thought of that. Do you know how I know? St. Falco. Because I was in, exactly, I was in the league whenever the last one's happened. 2011. And these assholes had no idea what they were doing. Like, clearly.

And I, so I had a couple chatters, you know, with a couple of them. Just like, hey, how did we get it? They were usually like high school gym teacher. How do we get? Literally, how do we get here? And they were like, well, to be honest, I know I'm not a ref in the NFL, so I wasn't really prepared to kind of ruffle the feather. But you're right. It's a breeding ground, the college

game. They take the best college officials and they bring them to the NFL. That's a great point. You don't want to be a scab. You don't want to have that on your resume. Yeah. Yeah. And all those reps are there for a hundred years, which is a part of the thing that the NFL wants to change. It's like, hey, you don't just get a job and keep it forever. It's not a Supreme Court justice. Yeah, if you suck, you need to be fired. I think it's being part of, now granted, the NFL Ref Association can come out and say, we do fire people.

It's like, I don't think so. Yeah, no, you don't. You think big on the ex-player movement, though. Yes. And I think a lot of the, there's a few of them, and they have been highlighted. I did a Monday night game, Texans versus Seahawks, where there was an ex-player official who kept J-SN or the side of my street. That was his name?

That was great. Nate Jones. For a player, right? So was he a teammate or no? No, Rutgers guy. Ruckers guy. That's right. But that is an interesting pipeline of maybe you don't have to go through, and we can kind of.

And also, we hope the refs understand that they are valuable. and we hope the association does that for them. And how hard their job is. Yes, we understand that. But also, we need to make this best for the game. Okay, last question for you. We have an owner waiting for us. Go ahead, Tone.

Yeah, Shrakes. McVeigh also brought up Kirk Cousins as potentially a backup to Matt Stafford. I know there's been rumors about him, maybe going to Raiders to bring in Mendoza. Is he viewed as a backup now, do you think, or is there potentially other places where he could still be? I think you get the carousel and you fill the seats and Kirk Cousins is not going to do a one-year, one-million-dollar deal. He still wants to get paid. of course have a history with them. Sean McVeigh had him in Washington.

Way back when when he first had those breakout years and they were franchise tagging them, I think it makes a lot of sense. And if you're Kirk Cousins, this is exactly what you want to hear because everyone just assumes you're going to the Raiders. Well, now you can have a little leverage play and say, well, I could actually play for a contender

and finally get that ring instead of just mentoring Mendoza. So very good opportunity for Kirk Cousins when you have two teams that are viably looking for you and I don't think McVeigh is just saying that. I think he would actually love to have them in the team. Biggest news that we haven't brought to you yet that you have heard right now as you get out of here.

OBJ possibly a return to the Giants. Oh, okay. Just spoke with John Harbaugh. He said he's one of his favorite players he has ever coached, one of his favorite people he's ever coached. And also at that flag football deal, OBJ was going and telling anyone in the media who could possibly have a microphone

that he still believes he can play. So you think about the Giants, they lost Wondale Robinson. Of course, they have Malik neighbors coming back from the injury of fellow LSU wide receiver. I think that would be a wonderful, wonderful bookend to OBJ's career who has a Super Bowl ring with the Rams, and yet it ended so weird with the Giants the first time around.

He is a superstar and a supernova in that city. It would be pretty cool to see him back. Now, you were obviously a journalist. You have no bias, but you would like the Giants have success? Yes. It would be good for the league. It would be good for me in New York. They've been an irrelevant franchise with that one Daniel Jones miracle scene.

You remember you said Malik Neighbors was better than Terry? Terry McCorn. You guys said I was crazy. I still think he's better than Terry McCormick. What, like at the Combine, like when he's running? Yeah, but on the football field? field. What's he actually?

What big games? We think he has a chance. He has a chance. The League neighbors was a second year player. Terry McClorn was 30. I think that you're looking at like, what are you getting over the next 10 years and what are you getting over the next two countries? No, that was not the conversation.

That's not the conversation. Your conversation was that he was better than Terry McClure. Did Terry McLaren light up the league after making all that money? Oh, geez. What big games did Mendoza win? All right. Hey, Dano. Smart move.

By the way, Dano, owning it. He ended it. move. Over now. I know it wants to enjoy. And we appreciate the hell of you. Lesbian. Emmy winner. Yeah. And now NFL live and our show, I believe, Emmy nominated again. Wow. Pierce.

And a baby, sir. Thank you. Thank you for the pizza last night. That was excellent. Delicious. That was jean. That was delicious. That was jean. Tye was a little boozed up. This guy. No, he wasn't. No. Thank you. Ty was a little booze.

We were talking comedy, weren't we? Oh, we were. Who's your favorite? He certainly were. All right. Come on. Come on. I'm a Dave Othel guy. Yeah, come on. Come on. Come on. All right. Please, please, please. And you were trying to take this somewhere.

It should not. Yeah. Unbelievable conversations at dinner last night. Ty was doing the loudest, fakedest New York Italian accent. He could in front of this guy that owns the restaurant. Now that's common.

How are you doing? screaming in this place. The guy's right behind him. Ty goes, oh, sorry, how are you going? That shakes his hand. It was good time. And what he said? Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now,

owner of the Indianapolis Colts, Carly Ursa Gorda. Yay. Thank you so much for joining us. Good to see you. Handshake for me. Hug for D-Buts. Standard operations.

How are you doing, boss? Great. How are you? Thank you for joining us. We're kind of your thing now. Deepo, you hold that. Yep. Roll out.

Yeah, don't fall off. Hey, seriously, cannot have that. You cannot be dying here. That cannot happen. That'd be bad for the show. That'd be bad for the show. That'd be really bad for the program. That'd be bad for a lot of things.

I think it'd be bad for the NFL as well. you can't die here yeah you can put those on whichever year you would like I like that so why'd you go with the right here I am intrigued to hear the decision okay guys see one on your right side I like the way you're you know she smart professional right around the head

absolutely yeah she does loud do you want to lower yeah what's that it was like the voice of God yeah yeah that's what we're trying to do around here you know trying to get that all happen congratulations on being a badass here at this like

not that you weren't before but now like real conversations are happening and your quotes are going viral. Anything you say now at this point because you are face of league at this point is going to be a massive conversation. This morning, 18-game conversation went viral after a conversation you had. Robert Kraft also mentioned it. It feels like it's been lingering, you know, over the last couple years. Do you think that's a main focal point of the conversations here this week or what are you

guys basically trying to get done you think at this particular league meetings? So I think we went to the 17 and 3 model, you know, obviously since then we've been having that conversation because it's hard to remember and it's a little wonky you know aFC one year nfc the other it's hard to plan for revenue you know and you have one less home game and all those things so i think an even number would be nice to get to and obviously i think the preseason product as far as we always are thinking about what is best for our fans and you know the commissioner's been open that the preseason product isn't quite you know what it used to be and i still think the players need it, you know, for some development if the coach actually plays them.

Yeah. Well, I'm excited to see what Shane Steichen does. And, you know, your daughter, maybe you send some guys in there as well for the preseason games. So if it goes to 18 games, I'll go to another bye week. Obviously, that'll be an exciting time for us as fans. We get two more weeks of awesome football, which is spectacular. The league's hotter than it's ever been. You guys understand that, I would assume, whenever you're chit-chatting in there, or what are the conversations like behind the scenes amongst you owners about where the state of the league is right now?

Well, we just left the session with the guy from YouTube that's in charge of trends, which would be a fascinating job. That would be an amazing job. It would be a hard job, I think. But, you know, the Thanksgiving games, having, you know, 50-plus million viewers for that Thanksgiving game is just, that's amazing. Just seeing the success of the Super Bowl and every year, you know, we just keep raising the bar. So I think we're just continuing to focus on, as my dad would say, say, give the fans what they want and paying attention to what's important to them, how it's

evolving. You know, it's such a, you know, when I was a kid, my grandmother used to, she was a diehard fan and she would have people in her suite. And if people were kind of getting up and milling around and eating the food, she's like, you didn't come here to eat my free food. You need to sit down and watch. You just miss this play. You need to sit in your seat right now. So I think it's the, I think we have those avid fans that like that, but then we also have people where our game is such a unifying experience. Community. Yeah, and just hearing from fans about, you know, I met my wife here or just the memories that

they have with their kids and the traditions that they carry on. I mean, even for us, it's so many of my memories growing up, you know, Christmas is in Arizona because we were playing there or, you know, we hit that playoff game in the Kansas City Chiefs and just being able to travel with my dad. And, you know, we didn't have the same kind of Christmas break, which when I was little, it was that kind of sucked. Yeah, well, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's. Yeah, there is.

All the fall holidays are much different for a football group. But NFL is now, yeah, just a part of culture, just part of society. They have the 100 top-rated TV things. The NFL has 94 of them or 95 of them every single year. You guys are crushing it. Your league is crushing it. Let's talk about your team. Last question from me before the boys have some about all the badass shit

that you're going to be doing it here. Daniel Jones and Alex Pierce, let's go. Huge. You want to give fans what they want, you said? I'll tell you what. I like what I've seen with what you guys did this offseason with your free agents and getting your guys back in there. You had a quote that said,

it was like we were watching a movie last year, and then we had to hit pause on it. And then I'll tell you, that movie went real bad at the seven straight, just like this. Now we're getting a chance to pick it back up. That is the mindset. And whenever they're pitching you to sign Daniel Jones to a potential two-year, $100 million deal,

or Alec Pierce to the highest at the time free agent wide receiver deal. How do those conversations go and how excited were you to get them both back? I mean, first I was very excited to get both of them back. And I think they both wanted to come back together. And I think it's important, as I've said that, you know, talking to a lot of the guys, like, how did they feel? How did they feel? What did we need to keep moving forward?

And they, you know, most of them overwhelmingly agreed. You know, Daniel was the right person. and then obviously what he went through with his Achilles. I mean, as players, you guys know. And broken leg, yeah, I mean, it was. And he played with that. I mean, for multiple games. And I just remember them saying, like, how can you play with a broken leg?

It's like, well, your fibula only supports 15% of your weight. I'm like, and I'm like, oh, okay. This is normal? No, it's not normal. Okay, all right. We appreciate I'm doing that. And then the Achilles goes, but it did just, it felt so good. Lucaso Stadium felt special.

I mean, everything, like, felt special there for a bit. I can respect the fact that let's run that thing back. Good luck to you. Good luck to us because we're going to be in there as well. Debutt has a question for you. Yeah, speaking of Lucas Oil State, and we always get great reviews on like the game day experience. Obviously, you talked about the different types of fans. Some of us show up and all we care about is the football.

And a lot of us show up, especially kids, people with families, they care about the overall game day experience. How did you kind of attack that coming in once you took over? So I think fortunately, I've been able to. growing up in the business and working in it for over 20 years now, I think that a lot of the pieces that we had in place, we're just going to continue to capitalize on some of those efforts that we've been doing. But obviously, there's a lot of stuff that we've been able to evolve with digital media and performance marketing and making sure in a non-creepy way that we're understanding what our fans want and what those different cohorts want, because

you know, what kids want versus what women want versus what a cat. casual fan wants, which is versus what an avid fan wants. It's all different. And I think that's okay. And I think there's a way that we can, you know, kind of serve each one of those groups and make sure that they're having an amazing time and an amazing experience. Another quick question. Your fashion is always a topic. What are we got today? Is there a stylist or is this all you? Just your closet, your mind, your vision, or do you have a stylist who dress you? I mean, I don't think having a stylist would feel so weird. It'd be like having,

someone that picks out There is that one You do? They would not have packed the hoodies out here Yeah I know At least you have that air conditioning Yeah I'm like you're floored boy I'm good No I just think that

For years You know my dad would always You would call it being proper You know on on game days You know game days are very serious In a serious and in a good way right It's like we only have so many of them In our league compared to

I mean that would be expensive I worked in baseball. It would be a lot of it. Oh, you look so cool, though. Did you imagine walking into 81 home games, 162 on the road? Hey, a lot of fits. Some of the fits. Hey, some of the fits.

So when you put one on, you go. Yeah, it's a winner. You do that. And then there's some that you go. And you know who I've actually gotten advice from is sometimes, like, I've texted Kenny. Like, what about these shoes? Or I've talked to EJ Speed. I'm like, could I wear this with that?

And he'll be like, no. Don't do that. Heads up. Connor has a question for you, boss. Yeah, speaking of the stadium, you know, right now is kind of the time where it's like, yeah, this city, you know, Vegas wants to host a Super Bowl. Minneapolis wants to host the draft. Is that something that, you know, Indianapolis or you are even, you know,

thinking about whether it be the draft because the draft now is such a massive event. And Indy's so great at hosting things like the Combine every single year is amazing. Is that something that you consider or even think about? Or how does that go as far as those types of bids? Just because we see it almost every week now, a different team wants to, you know, build a new stadium so that they can host a Super Bowl or a draft now. What is that process?

We're definitely interested in hosting a draft. And I think, you know, you guys have experienced Indiana and the final four is going to be there. Just I think a really cool part of Indianapolis identity that we need to lean into is just their sports. tourism and no one does it better. But I think part of with the draft and some of these other tent pole events

we've sort of modified our model around the Super Bowl. I mean, I think it used to be if you built a stadium, you would get a Super Bowl. It was kind of like a handshake thing. But I think you know, the part, you know, and obviously we're in a cold, we got so lucky.

The weather was apparently amazing when we hosted our Super Bowl. And it was. It was. We got lucky. But I think that again, going back to what fans want if you're going to spend thousands of dollars on tickets you might want to be by a beach or you know you might want to go to the pool or go to do slot machines in las Vegas I don't know understandable are you would you do a slot machine in Las Vegas thing like that's your thing no black check no none nothing no nothing of chance over there no no love that poker back locked in it stresses me

how about poker would you play poker a little bit more control I mean like maybe with my kids and like some marshmallows or something about chess or checkers you you play either of those I love Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We like what we're doing. Okay. Speaking of chess, I know you're not allowed to move the pawn

whenever it comes to a close Sicilian conversation about the refs. So you guys got an email and said, don't talk about it. Is that what happened? Well, I think that any time you have ongoing negotiations, I would say best practices, you know, you don't comment on that. And you let the league people handle it. But one of the things I will say is that I have tremendous respect in regard for what officials.

have to do. I know we all have various opinions depending on what side of the decision they're making, but I think that as a league, we always need to be trying to get better in every way. Like, I should be getting better. All of us should be getting better all the time. And I think that's one of the things that the league does a good job of. We're always trying to innovate, new technology, health and safety, all that stuff. Unbelievable answer. You said nothing, but you said good. That was really good work there. And I appreciate you kind of dropping some game there. any time there's any negotiations going, you'll probably shut up.

All right, we will. It's going to be tough for us to do that, though. I will say you say you're getting better every day. We're just trying to lots to get worse. Absolutely worse. So we appreciate your service, not only to our city, but also to the league. Good luck this weekend.

And I'm excited to see what ends up coming out of this weekend. We're going to be, okay, you're not going to say anything. We're going to get it. No, I'm not going to say. Wow. I'm trying to push some of these rules, how they're going to go through. But we just want to let you know,

we trust the hell out of you. And we appreciate your stuff. Come by, Ms. Carly. Thank you. No problem. Have a great one. Thank you. Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, owner of the Colts Carly. You're at a great. Perfect. Really cool fitting. Yeah, great. Just a great outfit. Unbelievable shades.

Yeah. Yeah. That's good ownership shit right there. At the gas station? Yeah. That's where we're. Yeah. Love that.

I love that move. Hey, as long as you keep doing that, we're very grateful. Oh, yeah. Miss Carley, thank you so much. yeah don't fall off please well hey once again please do not fall off

cannot our show will be over forever all right we appreciate you have a great weekend thank you miss carley okay as we transition from one of the owners of the NFL here at the Biltmore hey there's gonna be so many movies about her oh yeah oh yeah that's safe to say yeah hey thank you Colts

thank you Colts people yeah maybe the Colts if they win hey Conti really good work Conti hey got to Conti Conti he big dog Grooos yesterday good ladies and gentlemen joining us now. He's not an owner, but a man who has a damn good golf swing. Damn good. Hey, you need to move

your microphone back just a little bit. It was, it was, yeah, perfect. It was perfect. It was great job. Ladies and gentlemen, General Manager of the Buffalo Bills, friend of the program, Brandon Bean. Hey, Bino. Beano, fresh out of an absolute drumming of AQ, Shippley, and

Evan Fox on a golf course. Oh, an AQ? An absolute drum. I heard Q's sucked yesterday. Hometown? He had a tough day. Duck Hook. He would say that he ended up winning the last wolf round because me and fox is just kind of so we're kind of done with this one we played 17 holes as we played a long time we had a great day out there we appreciate you joining us we appreciate appreciate your friendship too let's talk about being out here uh everybody's here what are the general managers doing out of you guys

are meeting with each other trying to get deals done still as free agency lingers and the draft is kind of upon us what is your kind of entire uh goal of this particular week out here yeah i think it's just the leagues you know give us a lot of data You know, health and safety, Carly was just talking about it. Some of the new and, you know, up-and-coming things, whether it's AI, just where our leagues headed, how they pertain to your job as GM. We're, you know, yesterday afternoon and we're going to continue this morning. Combot meetings with the head coaches, just some of the rules, rules on the field, but also some of the roster rules. There's a game in Australia this year, probably moving, you know, when we cut the 53 down just to make sure those teams that can get their roster set before they have to travel over there.

So just a lot of logistical things. And then everyone, you know, kind of shift back, travel home and get ready for the draft. It feels like a very positive vibe here. Everybody on the same page. Has there ever been heat at this place? People get any heat at this place? I walked into a little journalism room and it was good to see everybody. It was good to see everybody.

There's a couple people I don't like in there. I thought to myself, like just be positive. We're at the league meetings. Feels like everybody is kind of on the same mission out here. Yeah, I think, listen, free agency is mostly done. People are kind of seeing players change. You're seeing, you know, hey, you run into a guy. hey, you sign this guy, hey, you're going to love this guy.

This is how he does best. You know, some of those conversations happen. And like you said, it's, it's hugely calm. It's kind of a good lull between free agency and, you know, what's happening in three weeks. Will players be able to survive 18 games? I mean, it's a good question. I mean, it's one more. I think you obviously probably would lose a preseason game.

You know, I think you would have to talk about expanding rosters and then game day rosters. You know, from 48, I think we need to talk about getting, you know, 50, north of to be able to accommodate another game. So the fact that you said that feels like that is something that's probably in the conversation this entire piece. Because you're going to have to get the players to agree to this. More players on active rosters means more contracts, which probably means a little bit of a give and take there, sounds like.

Yeah, I mean, obviously you would go to 18 games for, you know, the revenue piece of it and cut one out of preseason. It's going to be more revenue. And so ultimately, you're going to have to, you know, make sure you got the right players to, because you do want to make sure teams that make the playoffs have the best players playing. So how do you get through a season so that you're, you know, the rosters aren't depleted? Yeah, Bo breaking his leg right before the AFC champion. Yeah. He's just like a drumming. Obviously, it happens to everybody with injuries. Football is a very physical and demanding sport.

No matter how many rules are changed. 18 games would be a long time, especially for the big guys. Last question for me before the boys have questions. By way, great day out of course. That was awesome. Hey, Foxy, how's it going back here? You owe me, you owe Bean a $100. Yeah, definitely still owe Bean a hundred bucks. I only had 500 cash on me, but Bean. is a gentleman, so he said, you know what? You keep that extra hundred bucks. No, that's negotiation. Boxie, keep that hundred, buddy.

That was fun. Yeah, keep that 100 until, which leads to my question. You got to win a Super Bowl? So we talked about this yesterday. You know that this is the only conversation about you publicly, right? You understand that. Yeah. This guy's got to win a Super Bowl.

Same thing for Josh. Same thing with Lamar. I feel like you understand that as in your position. And I think we talked about it the other day. I think you are very much, we got to, an alien a quarterback. Now, granted, you drafted him. Okay. Nice job. Yeah. Great draft. Yeah, good luck. Yeah.

Yeah, I decided to go all in on him when there was other options and he didn't look as good early, decided to continue to build around him. So it is kind of, you know, your thing, but also you have the thing and you haven't. New head coach, new D.C. You can feel it, right? That's what all anybody's ever going to talk about with you until it happens? Yeah, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, we're hired to win championships. We're not hired just to win games. We're put, you know, butts in the seats. We're here to one goal, and that's the winning a championship, bring the first championship to the Buffalo Bills, Bills Mafia, everybody.

And so that hasn't changed this year. Obviously, we have a new head coach and Joe Brady. We're excited about the energy he's brought. And I know Josh and crew will be excited when we get this thing started here in a couple weeks. Offseason program is crazy. It's already here like April 7th for us. But no, the mission hasn't changed. We know, you know, what the expectations are.

No expectations on the outside are going to be more than what I put on myself or, you know, or what Josh or Joe or anyone else. So you're not trying to win this. Okay, so you are trying to win this. Okay, I didn't know that. That's correct. You're trying to do. Doose flash.

Yeah. Yeah, you just kind of mentioned the draft. We're a little more than three weeks away right now. How, like, how set is your board right now? What can change as far as players or prospects to move them up or maybe you take them off, obviously outside of some, you know, free accident or injury away from the field? Yeah, so prior to Indy, you know, we had our kind of our last set of meetings with the scouts. and we paired it down.

At this point, you know, the scouts have been, they went to Indy, pro days. We've had privates. So I'm bringing them in this Thursday. We'll spend four or five days just kind of talking through each players, where they've been, where they're at, the medical information that we now have, you know, from Indy. And so all those things will go into kind of, you know, there's, maybe there's guys to be that, hey, you really like the player, but we've learned they struggle mentally. And we're worried that they're going to be able to, you know, handle the magnitude of the playbook.

And so all those conversations come in, then we'll kind of bring our coaches in. Our coaches have not had weighed in on any of these guys. They've been meeting them in Zoom, pro days, privates. At some point, they gotta be around them to kind of feel the personality, feel the intelligence, the learns. So they'll come in, say their peace,

and then we kind of see where we, you know, where we see things alike and where we see things differently. And the ones that we see things like, those are easy, check, you know, we keep where they're at, the ones we see different. Now let's get in a room, let's, what do you see, what do we see,

scouts and let's make sure we're aligned. When do you guys bring Dan Rolovsky in? Well, why is that funny? What's the deal? That's not funny. Dana doesn't deserve that. Whatever day can get around.

I'm staying out of the Dan Orlovsky. You already got my son, you know, going on that. Yeah. His son went Alabama. He's someone to Alabama. Loves Ty Simpson. What happened with Dano, that happened with his boy at Combi. Told you.

For like 45. I mean, everything Dan was saying, I'd already been there, done that with his boy at Combine. He pulled the Trump card and FaceTime Nick Saban, which just ended the whole thing. His kid wouldn't stop. He kept coming. Kept coming, kept coming. It was just like a non-ending. I was showing highlights and all these stuff.

He's like, yeah, Ties one of Sabin's guys. I was like, what do you think Sabin says? And he goes, if Sabin says that Fernando is the top quarterback prospect, I'll believe it. It's like, all right, FaceTime Sabin. He answers it. who's number one quarterback prospect in his draft? He goes, what? I go, whose number of quarterback? He goes,

Fernando, he got one national championship. Thank you. And I turn it right to his face. And right to his kid's face. And he goes, thanks for everything Coach Sabo, you know, hang up on. And then he goes, I disagree with Coach Shane. It's just like Dan. It was only just like, and I respect and appreciate it. Because it's like, I think Dan has found some traits in tie that he loves.

He's like, hey, this is my guy. your boy same thing because he's an Alabama fan. How do you separate that, though? Like, is that why you have to have everybody in a room? Yeah. Like, what are the conversation? Has there ever been, like, two very huge, like Josh Allen, when you drafted him? Yep.

Was there, I assume there was people in your room that were very either against that or wanted somebody differently? Yes. And how do you kind of get through that entire process other than just making memes out of the person? Well, that's what they did. That's right. That's a whole.

They. They. Hey, we did not. No. Whoa, whoa. Whoa. That was not us. You guys were lobbing softballs, though.

You know it. Listen, I think the one thing, like, we're obviously not in the quarterback market, but if you're these teams that are in that, the one thing that someone like us can't answer right now is you're meeting with these guys in multiple settings. And, you know, I think that's where Josh really stood out, you know, for us when we were making that decision. Just, again, the leadership, there's so many pieces to the quarterback other than what we see that, you know, you're the tip of the spear of your organization and your team if you have a franchise guy. So do you feel this guy can walk into a grown man's huddle?

say he's got all the physical, you know, all those things are part of this. So I have not met Fernando. I've not met Ty, but to me, those are some unanswered questions that people on the outside really don't have the, you know, the keys to be able to answer that. Yeah, and it sounds like from our understanding is Fernando is just, he's installing the Raiders offense right now. So I think Tom, you know, Tom was there for a lot of this stuff. It feels like that's that way, but we want Todd to be successful too. Oh, yeah. Anytime we could bring up. Dan or law. Hey, Dan, way good, Dan. Good, Anna baby, Dan. All right, Dan. They said they run your takes in the film room and they say who agrees or a discreet.

Yeah, they're not the only one. And then they fire the people that agree with. No, no, no, Tony has a question for you, Beno. Yeah, I do. It came out this morning, I believe congratulations. I think, is this how draft picks are judged that you picked up the fifth year option for tight end Dalton Concade? That came out this morning.

I don't know if that's true or not. I don't know if that's been confirmed by you. But is that kind of how an organization potentially judges a first round draft pack if they get to the second contract, whether it's a draft pick that worked out or not? Yeah, I mean, I think. you want to be excited, you know, and we are. You want to be excited to say, hey, this is a guy we want to continue. And listen, at some point, you know, he's played three years. You can, you can also extend them. You know, we picked up Josh's fifth year and some of these other guys and then later extended him. But it just goes ahead and confirms to him that, hey, we're committed to you. We know, we're going to be a Buffalo bill for at least two more years and excited about what Dalton's done. You know, the one thing that's, you know, he had a little knee deal that's, that's, you know, hampered him. And we had to monitor kind of his reps. We're hoping this year that we can get back to kind of a normal set of reps with him. Congratulations.

Let's make sure he's paid top of the market. Most money ever. Ever. Don't be negotiating against me up here. Let's make sure we're taking care of that guy. Let's make sure we're taking care of that guy. Sings Mr. Britson. Yeah, Ty has a question for you.

First and foremost, kudos on the Buffalo, on the bison out front, because we were going to give you hell for it. Like, it was solely your response. Oh, don't think I didn't know. Don't think I wasn't in the back asking questions, dude. I cannot go on Maccabee show. Yeah, these buffaloes are weak, man. They're going to kill me.

Big strong boys. Yeah, look great. A big buffalo. Coming out, curious, though, when it comes to DJ more, everyone's making a big deal about that. And you kind of told us, you know, previous trade deadlines, like, you'll call around. Like, was that something.

And everyone was saying, hey, you know, Buffalo is in on Waddle or so and so, and so all these different receivers. Was that something you guys looked at last year? And do you feel like he is kind of the piece to take that offense to the next level where you guys are trying to get? Yeah, he was one of the guys that we called and checked. I mean, we checked a lot of guys just to see, and Chicago shut it down. They were trying to make a run, but I think they at least knew there was interest,

and they reached back out. You know, when we got to Indy and said, hey, you know, maybe we'd be open if something made sense. And we, you know, fortunate to be able to figure that out. I've always loved DJ's skill set, adds another player, a big playability, run after catch. Shakir, one of the best things he does is run after the catch. I think this adds another guy that's played, you know, some big time football, big time games. And so he'll be a good addition for us, I think. DJ Moore's 2,350 receiving yards in 2021 with Joe Brady.

Yeah. Was the seventh highest total in the NFL. He's had success with that white guy that has a good fade, except for whenever he comes on our show at the Combine. What have you seen from Still Love Everything about Joe Brady's energy? Yeah. I mean, Joe, you can just feel it in our building. Can I mention this?

You know you have to win a Super Bowl. Everybody knows you have to win a Super Bowl. You're the one that hires Joe Brady. People attack you for hiring Joe Brady. I think it's fascinating that you know, like this is the guy you want. with watching him work, understanding what he's like in a building, knowing that, hey, career potentially online here in this entire thing. I love that show of commitment to a guy in your building, but what you've seen from him

since that moment of hiring, how have you felt about it going rookie head coaching? Yeah, I think, listen, Joe's a young guy, but you don't feel, you can feel him naturally stepping in this position. He's showing great energy. He's, you know, he's, I love the staff that he's hired. You know, when these guys come in an interview for a job, you lay out plans and you say, you're going to do this, this, and this. But how many people actually stick to the plan?

And I give Joe a lot of credit. You can throw names, hey, I'm going to hire this guy. I'm going to get this guy. And then, you know, your kind of question, are you really going to be able to get this guy? And I think Joe, you know, he went through some of the guys that he really wanted to target on his staff, you know, a guy like Jim Litter, who's bringing, obviously played, you know, dog, you know, really good, yeah, really good baller as a player. And then was at Wisconsin, you know, went to Denver, was part of that staff, great defense. And so Jim's been fond to get to.

to really know. I only knew him as a player. So I just think a lot of the guys that Joe has brought on staff are kind of carrying out his vision. And like I said, we're starting in a couple weeks. And I'm going to be excited for our players to walk in the building and fill this positive energy. You're saying people lie about who they're going to be able to hire for their staff? That'd be awesome.

Come in. How about this? Parcells. Yeah. Sabin. Yeah. He's going to consult. But also he said he'll do DBs during off season.

Yeah. And then you having to pick through what's real and what's not real. spectacular part of the entire job. Everything you do, I was going to wonder if you want, that's all they're going to say. And that's crazy that that's what the business is and that's where you are. You've earned that, obviously. And congrats. We appreciate the hell out of you taking the time.

Foxy has one last thing he wants to say to you about your golf game. Yeah, Bean, you deserved every bit of that 500. I know I owe you another 100. So con man on stage actually has that for me. He'll give it to you right after this day. Yeah, right. It's nice to you, Connor. Thank you, Connor.

It ain't coming from me. It's going to like it. talking about the bills is fun and we're talking Super Bowls. Very, come get the division bitch. That's all you're going to hear. That's all you. That's the business. That's the job. There's only 32 of you and we're very lucky that you're a friend of ours.

Ladies of gentlemen, Brian Bean, General and Major. You know, you got something in a minute. Thank you for taking time with us, dude. All right, hour two will roll on on the other side. This guy's unbelievable golf. Absolute stick. Started playing when he was 13. Could have beer with a guy, you know? Yeah, can definitely have a beer. He did not. I would like it to be known.

He was dealing with us being pretty boozed up. He was not. Shout to him. Hour 2 is on the other side. Be a friend, tell our friends something nice. It might change your life. Are the greatest. Scott, great work on the jib.

ESPN people, phenomenal job on the setup here. And we are at the Biltmore, the home of the NFL's league meetings. Every owner, GM, and coach is in there alongside their local media. As we try to figure out what the future of the NFL looks like, while everybody is shaking hands and kissing babies as networking. is at an all-time high here in hot as hell, Arizona. The views are impeccable. The golf spectacular.

And the information that's going to be tossed around, and this wall back here is going to be something that's going to change the way the biggest league on Earth operates, at least for the foreseeable future. We're so incredibly thankful and lucky to be here. Obviously, college hoops is happening all over the place. The final four has been decided. Yukon breaks the hearts of Duke on a 40-foot, splash city.

From Mr. Indiana, Braille Mullen, who will be joining us here in about three, four minutes or so. Obviously, everybody saw this, the shot seen round the world. Splag. Oh! 19 points, Yukon were down at one point in this game. 15 at the half. They end up winning by one. And Dan Hurley has another final four, and his record is getting outrageous as we are introduced to his mom and dad in the crowd.

Also, Illinois beat the hell out of Iowa. Sorry about it. Sorry about it. Arizona beat the dog crap out of Purdue. Michigan pounded Tennessee. The final four might be more talented than it's ever been. Well, Coach Kaye joining us here in a matter of moments. We believe Coach McCarthy from the Pittsburgh Steelers will be joining us this hour. And this should be spectacular as it continues to be awesome to be here.

The toxic tables here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. Conman, what did you learn from Beano and Carley there in our conversations? Sounds like 18 games is coming right around the corner. Yeah, no doubt about it. that feels like the biggest news, especially when you think about the NFL telling basically all the streaming services and all the networks like, hey, we're going back to the table because we want to change these deals, maybe, you know, adjust them a little bit, make a little bit more money. Now it all is kind of making more sense. You know, those Friday games we talked about that don't exist right now. They might exist in a month.

And then those games, you know, who knows who else gets in the entire deal? Like, is Apple going to come to the table? Does, you know, Amazon? When does Apple get involved? That's good question. I don't know if they even want to. Why not? They have, I mean, how much money did they spend on F1?

I don't know if they're like F1 and baseball. F1, baseball. Come on a real sports. You're going to love it. Now, granted, soccer, I got some bad news for us. What do you mean? Our team sucks. What do you mean?

Five, two. Oh, it was a friendly. It wasn't very friendly what the Belgium team did to us. I'm sorry, Belzeek did to us. They smacked our cheeks. And we might be Cheeks. What Belizeeke showed me in the international friendly

5-2. We have a nasty goal early. Holy hell, we're doing this. Yeah. USA. USA. Tide halftime, second half, we get demolished. Now, Gumpy, who follows soccer much closer than I, says we subbed out all our good players at halftime, put all our

trash players in the second half and we lose. On that note, I want to let Ponching I believe. Yeah. But I can't be watching not anymore. Well, no, it's nice. So, like, when a situation like that happens for me, now I will not pay attention to the U.S. men's national team until the World Cup kicks off.

So you can put them out of your head. Fuck these guys. They got to prove it. They got to prove it. And I agree because I'm a punch guy as well. I will show up. I will ride into the midst of Avalon with him, but now I'm just going to pay him no mind until the World Cup kicks off. And then if we don't make it out of the group stage or we get beat or we get embarrassed, we can go

told you so. These guys stink. At this point, too, We're in on baseball. Soccer. Soccer is kind of an act. It's just pre-season. We like everything. Expectations are now here.

Okay. If we lose 5'2 every game. Listen, like when we're watching preseason football and the Chiefs are playing and Mahomes plays the first half and they're 17 to 3 and then some team comes back in the second half against some nobody's. Do we, we say, no, we don't care. We're still in on. Bingo.

There's no reason for you say, F these guys. These guys are wearing the, they're wearing a bag. They're wearing the crest. There it is. Yes. No, I'm not F these guys. I'm just, I'm not going to pay him any, I'm not going to let them get into my brain or, you know, any thought. Oceans?

Yeah, exactly. Until the World Cup is here. So next time we have a friendly. And if we win for nothing, you're going to hear, I'm going to be mum on it, you know. These boys got to show up and they will. They will once World Cup gets. Team USA flag football showed up. Team USA hockey showed up both in the Paralympics and the Olympics.

Baseball. Our skiers kind of showed up. Our baseball team. They showed up. With receipts, which helped, but they didn't. Nine-year NFL vet. Jerry Shay Bullers here, Dee Butch. What's he talking about?

You know what? Honestly, I care less about any of this. Any of this. What do you care about? I got two final fours to prepare for. Yeah. One out here with the women. I hear beautiful Phoenix.

Our 25th were women's side. And then another one for the men, third and four years. Free furniture. I will. And a lot of people pouting about Darren Hurley after the game. Yeah, he was a little juiced up with point three on the clock. Wouldn't you be if Mullins hit a 40-footer in your face? So just an unbelievable performance.

I'm still elated. I'm still on cloud nine. I can't wait to see these boys close to another one. I'm happy that the Huskies are having success. Sure. It's cool. Because when our coach left for Dubai State. Yeah.

Colorado States. Colorado. It happens. Hey, listen, sometimes you just want to get away, go see the mountains to do that whole thing. The way people were talking about a Yukon coach, though, just taking that job was like not good for Yukon, I thought. Then the whole meme with Dano, Yukon, there was a lot of, right? Yeah. And then Coach ORIM is making the other coach, quick.

Yeah. I don't want to do some more. Now, Dan Hurley, 19 point comeback in the elite eight against the most powerful, the most talented. What? Overall number one seed. Duke team. Everybody saw, they got two free throws.

They'll have went down there, pissed down their leg and missed both the roads. Okay. You might be right. This is Duke. Cucon, baby. That's all about basketball capital of the world. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's from the basketball capital of the world. Indiana. Okay.

And Mr. Indiana punched the ticket back to Indianapolis for a final four. An absolute legend forever was 0 for four in the game until you couldn't see an ounce of worry in his soul. Splash to the final four.

Ladies and gentlemen, Braylon Malin. Yeah. And it feel good. Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys having me. That had to feel so good. That had to feel so good. So as it was coming out, you knew, as it was coming out? And yeah, you got to shoot it with confidence, what? Yeah, so I heard your teammates say,

anytime he's shooting it, confidence going in. You obviously hadn't had your best night shooting, but as this thing is leaving your hands, you know it's going in, you feel? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I knew once I had the ball, there was like two seconds left, so I had to put one of, and I came off,

came off the hand pretty well. I just, it's crazy that was the one that I made yesterday. but yeah, I'm still full of emotions. It's still crazy to process it. And, man, we're going back to Indy now. Yeah, we can't wait to have you in the city. And obviously, congratulations. We wish you would have stayed in Indiana.

I don't know how that happened. The Dan Early is obviously a weapon. There's a lot of conversation about how he operates and runs a program. You guys are down 19. You're down 15 in that game at half. What is his messaging to you guys? And why do you think your team was able to kind of rally? I mean, yeah, I think coach is,

He wanted to keep the positivity with the group and just keep the confidence high. And I think just coming out at halftime, we just had to chip at the lead, dug the hole that we dug in the first half. And I think we got it to single digits, like 10, 12 minutes into the second half. And I think we got to game manageable for us. And we were just, we knew we worked too hard for it. And we were just, we knew it was like you got clawed back into it. Do you think every Caucasian in Indiana can shoot?

Absolutely. What? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think so, too. That's where I learned whenever I got drafted of the Colts. You just go mess around at LA Fitness. You got large, you got small, you got fat, you got... I mean, you got all types of whites from Indiana.

All of them. All of them have a jumper. It does feel like the state creates Hoopers. You potentially next legend coming out. We appreciate that. Debutt, Yukon Husky alum has been singing your praises, obviously. Yeah, obviously playing for Coach Hurley has been unbelievable. But, like, what was his messaging throughout the game?

Because I'm watching the game, and regardless of what? what the score was. He's pumping the crowd up. He's staying engaged. What was his messaging throughout, keeping you guys on point? And then that last play, but you guys are pressing.

And Foxy, if you run that clip and kind of pause it as he throws the ball, it's five on three in the back court. What was the message on the sideline going into this play? I mean, yeah, just going into that play, I think we were just trying to foul

the worst free throw shooter on the floor. And, I mean, you could tell in the front, we tried to foul and Sarr. And the boozer ended up turned the ball over. And I was like, I mean, I'm going to try to get the ball to AK. He had just hit one. And we're going to let him take the last shot.

He threw the ball back to me. I was just like, man, I knew I threw it to him with like four seconds left. I was like, all right, we got to get a shot of. I'm not going to go out with no shot. And man, that was the one that went down. So can you tell me immediately afterwards you guys dump a bunch of water. Is Hurley always showing up in a postgame locker room and his towel? Yeah.

Tell me about the celebration afterwards. The boys had to be elated, obviously. Yeah. I mean, coach is used to that. The water, the water spilling and everything. coming in there with a towel. I've never seen that. He's one of the kind.

What if he pooped his pants? Do you think he may be pooped there whenever you make that? He was so glad. Is there anything on underneath the town? He'll never know. You'll never know. I heard he wears the same suit. We'll find out next game, I guess.

Ty has a question for you, brother. Yeah, Braylin, just curious. Obviously, a certain kind of player gets attracted to go play for a guy like Coach Hurley because he is a psycho in the best way possible. I don't know what your high school coach was like, but like get did you were you fully prepared for everything that he was going to you know kind of demand of you day in day out when you got to yukon and what's that kind of process been like i mean yeah i think when i was with my high school coach and i meet my dad coached as well so they kind of resembled a little bit of how they pushed you to the limit and i mean going to play for coach earlier i thought it was just an easier transition i knew i was going to get you're going to get yelled at that that just happens but it's just like i knew he was going to push me to to my max and uh he's going to make sure I'm better and get better. And yeah, he's my role model.

He's the guy I look up to. He holds the standard. I mean, I wouldn't want to play for anybody else. Hey, I think your generation gets a lot of shit talked about you, about how you can handle coaching. Do you think that's fair or no? Obviously, you don't think that because you're with Danny. You just call him your role model and you like good, hard coaching.

But does it feel like your generation maybe gets mislabeled a little bit because every college coach we talk to is like, we're accountability, accountability, accountability, but your generation gets a lot of shit talked about you guys. Do you hear that? Do you understand that? Yeah, I do. I mean, you'll see that on social media all the time.

Like, we can't take the criticism from the coaches, the media, and everything. So I think just playing for somebody like coach, Hurley, is just like, man, you got to take some of that criticism. It just makes you a better person and are better, just better at life. Yeah, see, that's a good perspective, though, that they say your generation done. Even he's mature beyond his years. You can tell that. But if they all are, though?

I don't know. They don't know, because they got to handle business these guys. It's like every generation. Some or some more. We're having a conversation about you while you're here. We're appreciative that you're a dog, dude. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Braylin, you just mentioned your dad's a coach.

Have you had a chance to kind of talk with your family? Have a moment with your family? I assume it's been about, you know, you being a basketball star your whole life, Mr. Indiana, the whole thing. Have you had a chance to kind of talk to them? And have you rewatch the clip back just on your own and kind of watch it in disbelief? Or are you still kind of not there yet? Don't even want to see.

how ridiculous of a shot it was. I mean, yeah, I think I didn't get to watch the first clip until like after we were out of the locker room, midnight, 1 a.m. It's just crazy how everything unfolded. But it's just like, yeah, I get to get to look back at that every single year. I know that that shot's going to be in history. Yeah, I had to celebrate with the family. I called my, I think I was on the phone with my dad,

probably 15, 20 minutes before this. He's back at work in Indy because he was at the game yesterday. So, but yeah, he's, we're all excited. it. Yeah, dude. We're all excited. March Madness. Having that moment in it this year is a beautiful thing. Feels like the final four. He's going to have to get a hundred tickets. Yeah, a lot of cousins. Yeah. I'm not out of the woodwork. And you're getting paid now too. So shit. We're going to expect you to pay for it, brother. I mean, that's welcome to the life. You know, welcome to the life. Can't wait to see you back in indie. Final four is spectacular. Go ahead.

It is awesome. Speaking of the final four, we always make a big deal about now that you're going to the final four shooting in Lucas Oil shooting in a huge. stadium in the shooter's eye. Have you guys talked about that at all? And is that actually something that we should think about going into this Final Four? I mean, yeah, I don't think we've gotten too far down to Lucas Oil. Like, I mean, we kind of just preparing now for Illinois. And man, I mean, Lucas Oil is one of a kind of place as well. I got to watch some games, football and everything. So I know the environment. I'm kind of used to it. And but it's just, yeah, I'm so excited to play in front of the hometown and just be able to.

able to show what we're all about. What, Caden Curry came back. Yep, yeah. With Ohio State. I think he's from Greenfield area, too. No, no, where's he from? No, I do. Not sure, but the kid from Illinois now, another Indian.

He's from Lawrence as well. You guys are all over the place. Hey, you're not in Indiana, but you guys are all over the place. And it's been an honor to watch you, brother. There's also been somebody that hasn't been able to listen to this entire conversation, but he's been, I think, seeing it. He can hear me, can't hear you. I think he has somebody he wants to say, Coach Kay,

You hear, Coach Kay? Coach Kay here? I am. I wish I could first bring one and not you guys. Okay. But congratulations, son. What an amazing moment. And how about your senior leader, Caraband, having the confidence in you to make it an historical

past before the historical shot? Congratulations. Coach, Kay, he actually couldn't hear you either. So I will spread that information. He said, wow, how about Caravan passing you the ball? ball must have incredible pressure or belief in you. Congratulations, Coach K. said you're the man. Thank you. I appreciate you, coach.

Hey, safe travels back home. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for showing up for basketball, for sport, for Indiana. Legend. You name it, brother. You're the band. Hell yeah. I appreciate you guys.

Braille boys. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Coach Kay. Yeah, Coach, we're sorry you had to hear us instead of Braylin. Breilin was giving a lot of good answers. He was compliment Dan Hurley. He was talking about how he's his role. model. He's his idol. He likes getting coach, knew that he was going to have to get coach. And he said every shot felt good. What a winner for them. That's a story they're going to remember

forever. Now, you on the Duke's side, obviously not great, but down 19, 15 and half. Can you describe what Dan Hurley and his team was able to accomplish there and how legendary of a moment it is for them? Well, the moment was set up because of outstanding defense. You know, ironically, the last the last shot occurred because of a turnover. And throughout the second half, Duke, we turned the ball over too much. We were outscored 16 to nothing on after turnovers. And it's because, you know, Connecticut played great defense. And they never quit.

And, you know, it's to their credit that they hung in there. And we could not knock them out. They would not allow Duke to knock them out. And, but it was defense. And they played tremendous defense, which Danny's teams play all the time. Yeah, they're bopping wood all the time, aren't there? Smacking wood out there. You know, slapping a bologna around whenever they have to.

And that was a magical end for the Connecticut folks. Okay, that was a magical end for the Connecticut folks and for the basketball fan. Yeah. I mean, that was exhilarating. I felt alive watching that thing fly and then go in. It's like, this is the March Madness. Let's go to the other side. And obviously, you're not the coach of the Duke team anymore.

Shire is, what is his messaging to his team after that? Obviously, everybody's talking about the collapse and everything like that. And they live in a world where they're going to see it and feel it, I think. How does he kind of deal with that, you think, going forward? Well, you just saw Brayland how happy, you know, his smile went from ear to ear.

You know, the joy of winning. But really, the despair and the agony of losing. And dealing with that for, with your team, I think John's primary concern and he does a great job of this he and his staff making sure you take care of those young men

they they had a magnificent season one of the best ever and you lose it's brutal to it's so abrupt and from you know the joy to the agony and to especially make sure that you embrace collective responsibility that you win and you lose together so that no one individual player bears the burden of that alone and I felt so bad for Caden Booser because I felt the interviews afterwards. One, he was man enough to do the interviews and he took individual responsibility for it and hopefully I'm sure his teammates and his coaches hugged him afterwards and said, listen, man, we were there. Hey, your 15 points in the first half were the reason that we were up by 15 points at halftime. He was playing, he played an outstanding game and it's that one, one turnover.

But it wasn't one play. I'm telling you, we turned the ball over too much because of Connecticut's defense. And what happened, Connecticut had a hard time scoring, but when you get live ball turnovers, you have numerical superiority going down to the offensive end, and you take it to the whole better. And they got their offensive mojo going. And really, two of the biggest shots was from the Mary. Duke was up 10, and he hit at corner three. one of our kids, Nick, trumped it to go back to 10, and boom, he trumped that by hitting two threes. And those were, you talk about huge shots, those were amazing shots.

You talk about numerical superiority. They were one of 18 from three in the first half. Dan Hurley found out about that in a postgame press conference in real time. He had a hilarious reaction, both hands to his face of embarrassment after such a huge win. He said the assistant coaches were telling me it was bad. I did not know we were one for 18 in the first half. Then he said at some point, we're going to have to start knocking down a three if we're going to want to win this game.

You talk about the numerical superiority. What you're saying is whenever you play good defense, you get turnovers, you get high-percented shots. So if it's not falling, all of a sudden it's a gritty way back into the game. And then they end up four or five down the stretch for three. So they get hot late. They bopped the wood. That's classic Dan Hurley football, it feels like in the end.

And on that note, D-But, Yukon Husky has a question for you. Yeah, coach, I was just talking to Brayland about this. Kind of in the midst of a game, whether you're down big, you know, on Hurley side, the Yukon side, you know, I feel like it's easier as a player I know to keep fighting and stay hungry. But on that opposite side, when you have a big lead, maybe some complacency, how do you handle that as a coach? What is tougher as a coach being up,

handling that success in the middle of the game, or being down kind of still chasing those guys? Well, I'd rather handle it when we're up. That's a hell of a lot better. what you hope is you can knock them out. And some teams allow themselves to get knocked out. Danny's team did not allow themselves to get knocked out. You know, we talked about this last week about making adjustments and whatever Dan did at halftime with his defense, they were a different team defensively in the second half. And seeing the ball go in and, you, you know,

They were aggressive offensively then and got Duke into some foul trouble. So they saw free throws go in and they saw some layups go in. And that gave them the momentum. But really, to Connecticut's credit, they were not going to get knocked out. And our guys did a great job, but we turned it over too much. Heartbreaker for Shoevskyville. It was heartbreaking. I'm telling you.

I haven't coached for four years now, but, you know, it was a great, great basketball game, not a good one. It was a great game. And I had a hard, I could not fall asleep last night. I felt like I was part of that. And then you're thinking about all these individual kids and how you're going to take care of them. and just such great empathy for our guys. I mean, obviously, I'm a Duke guy and have concern for them and still do because that's a tough one to get over.

How old are you? I'm 79. Man, still staying awake, four years removed. Yeah, peace. That's going to happen forever. I love of the game. Yeah, that's going to happen. I don't know.

That's why we're talking about with your hair, you know. It looks like if you're staying up, not sleeping, you know, to 79 for a game, you're not even coaching. Just built different. Pat, let me make one other point. Okay. You know, for my entire year and time as a coach, I love being in the moments of those players. You know, the highs, the lows, they kept you young because you were in their moment.

You weren't watching their moment. You were in their moment. And Danny and John Shire, they're in the moments of their. players. So, you know, what Danny was doing after the game, I'm going to send them a few diapers as they go forward. That's in the moment. And John Shire was in his moment, taking care. And so that's the kind of thing I kind of relived last night. And even though it was bad, it felt good to be in that moment with our team. Aren't sports the greatest, Coach, they are sports are the absolute greatest.

And obviously you talk about the joy and the heartbreak. But for us as fans, it was a magical game. Let's talk about the rest of the elite eight and the final four. Now let's head to the Big Ten world. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, coach, before last night, you know, I think you could argue that the Big Ten kind of stole the weekend. And then obviously, you know, we talk about that.

And it was insane. But I want to go back to something that you've been talking to us about, kind of for several appearances now that we've had you. When it comes to Illinois, they were just, I mean, they have all these European guys who are older. They're so much size, so physical. Do you think we're kind of seeing in real time that this might be a blueprint that a lot of teams will try to employ going forward?

Because, boy, I tell you what, Iowa kind of gave them everything they had early and it really didn't matter. They were just so physical and so dominant inside. Do you think we're kind of seeing in real time, like, oh, this might be something that a lot of these schools kind of try to rely on and use to go deep into the tournament in the future? Yeah, most definitely. and it'll be a combination because the Arizona and their game against Michigan will have the international players also. Arizona and Illinois have the best combination.

Actually, Illinois has a few more of international, a young player, a freshman, and some older veterans. That combination. And what it produces because of the portal, if you get a transfer, they're older. The international players are older also. And so what we're seeing is older good teams, older good teams. And as long as NIL and RevShare are there, we're going to continue to see it unless in a couple of years, if there's NBA Europe, what kind of contracts would come from that? right now the international players are able to make more money

here than they would be in the Euro League and you're seeing great basketball. The product is unbelievable. So let's talk about the international players getting more money with NIO now because wasn't that kind of the alternative for high school players that were no longer allowed to go straight to the NBA? I think one of the

ball brothers went over and played in Latvia Australia or something like that and they talked about how you can get money over there while also learning how to play against pros and everything like that. Now the NIL money is more than what those leagues were going to be. That's a fascinating little. And RevShare. You know, RevShare is what schools can pay, but NIL is added to it.

So look, these young men are making a lot of money. God bless them, they should. They're putting out a great show. And that's the model from now on. You know, and then like a big phrase, a big term is roster management. And so in the next few weeks with a portal opening up, who's going pro, who's transferring, how these teams manage their roster. You can come back.

If you're a big time program, you can come back in one year because you can bring 10 new players in. Coach, hypothetical here, and I know you're not in there, but let's say somebody at West Virginia was an alumni. Okay. Wanted to take maybe a Euro trip. Okay, I want to go take a Euro trip. Check out some of these European pros. Naturally.

I found four of these guys that I like. These guys be good mountaineers. How much are these guys making? Actually, how much money are these guys making in college hoops right now? Because the money around college football was like, there was like a six, six and a half, seven coming at the quarterback position. Now, obviously, that is a different animal. what's real because nothing needs to be actually reported, which is kind of a part of the entire

problem because what is the market? Everybody just kind of makes it up as they go. But I think people kind of have a sense. For basketball, I'm not talking about a Duke, but let's say a basketball, what is the going rate for like a top guard or a top big or a top something like that? Is that already been figured out? Yeah, it'll go out seven figures and what level of seven figures. The thing that you mentioned, though, you would not be able to just go over and watch them all play. In Europe, now wait a minute, you would have to do a tour because we're able to see high school kids when they go to AAU tournaments, a group of them together. The international players are all over Europe. You know, you might go and see one and see another or whatever. So really, the job under Coach Underwood's done at Illinois is fantastic.

He seems to have fallen in love with the Eastern European player. And they're good. And you do that. That means his staff must spend a lot of time or a member of his staff going over and visiting different places and having contacts in Europe. How you recruit now is so much different than when I recruited. it's so much different that's why John Shire's done a much better job

than I would have done in putting this whole thing together I don't think that's true I'm not going to let you say that I like you compliment Scharck because he's probably taking a lot of heat right now in your world but you would have figured it out you know you would have figured it out well I would have had him as an associate helping me figure out exactly

exactly you would have it figured out so I understand what you're saying and this is just like Sabin too Samen's like I don't think I would have been able to do it's like you would have you would have been able to figure it out. That's a whole different beast. Like going European. Obviously Coach K would figure it out, but going over there,

knowing which leagues, because like he said, the AAU circus here, you know you're going to get top players playing against the top players. Now going over there, language barriers, I'm sure, people around, like,

that's a whole different area. What was that talk? They're men, too. They're men. They're not 18-year-old boys. And they've played against men. They've been pros for X number of years, two, three, four, five years.

And so, you know, when it says on the rosters, some of the international players are freshmen, look at their age, okay? Look at their age. They're not 18. What was that movie where they went to Spain and Muscle. Yeah.

Yeah. And then there was a documentary down in Africa too, right? I think there's like basketball academies down in Africa. Yeah. Yeah. Basketball academies all over the world. And the NBA, I've worked for the NBA now for the last three years. The NBA has done such a great job of global management of the game and the teaching of the game.

And so they're just more good players in the world than ever than ever. And college basketball now is not U.S. It's the world for crying out long. Yeah, West Virginia needs to get a little worldly. Yeah, West Virginia needs to get a little worldly. They're focused on the Canadian guy. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about over air.

I'm not talking about up there. There are a lot of great Canadian players. Steve Nash, I got respect. Okay, Justin Bieber can obviously shoot well. Yeah, I got a lot of respect, okay, for the Canadians. But what I'm talking about is we want the Luca. You want the Euro step. Yeah.

You know, and I know Stoyalcovic is from here, but I want. He's got that flare. What does you guys win the thing of the jig out there? Have you heard about this new tournament that's going to rival of the final four, the super duper other crown. West Virginia's playing against Toronto Blue Jays. This early look at this bracket. Not yet. You guys

have to publicize that a little bit. All right. Let's get back to the final four. Tone has a question for you. Geez. Yeah, coach. I have a question about Michigan. They have won by 21, 23, 13, and then 33 against Tennessee yesterday. As a coach, like,

does that concern you at all going into the final four that they haven't played a close game in this tournament yet? Or do you believe that it's a good thing that they're playing so well that they're blowing out teams? I feel like Yukon might have done that a couple years ago, where they just blew out teams their entire run. Well, your points about Michigan are well taken. They're on a roll. They, you know, they lost their backup point guard about a month or so ago. And it took them just a little bit to regain their continuity.

See, continuity is key. I thought it hurt our team with the injuries to have continuity going in being in the tournament. They are on a role right now. They are having fun together. They have eight guys who can play. Lindenborg is really as good as anybody in college. I still vote for our guy for a national employer of the year. But Lindenborg's right there.

And Mera is unbelievable. I mean, 7-3s from Spain. That's what happened. And they block about six, seven shots a game. And the beauty yesterday was not just their defense. They were passing the damn. They made the extra pass all the time. And it looks like they're having a lot of fun playing.

Their game against Arizona, you're going to see eight against eight. and I'm not talking about officials. Both teams have eight solid players in that combination of international, young, U.S., and old U.S. And they're both amazingly well-coached.

And they have continuity. They have continuity going in. And so does, well, all four do now. I love the final four that we have. I think we've got a gritty, talented, exciting dogs. Like, I think we've got a group that will fight. which, you know, that goes back to the question you just asked about Michigan there.

It's like I think they haven't had to prove that yet to us yet, but I feel like they will. Yeah, they went through the whole big tens. Yeah, exactly. They're playing great. They're not playing well. They're playing great. And in Dusty, they have a coach that's been there, you know, he's been there before. He's from Indiana.

Yeah, he's Indiana guy. You know, he's a manager for Coach Knight. Yeah, and then just kick him out of the building. And Mollins is Mr. Indiana. He's a Yukon, though. You know, a kid with the ponytail from Illinois. Davis. He's literally from right where the Thunderdam.

These kids could all be playing. Got to recruit your state. You can be wearing the... Got to recruit your state. Yeah, we'll see. That's what you got to do. You know what you need to recruit. Where's that?

Europe. In Europe. This is the Indiana. Okay, I understand. Indiana is kind of the Europe of America that comes to creating basketball talent. Now, let's get to some more conversation about the top here.

of college hoops as a whole good con man yeah coach you mentioned dusty there and it feels like right now looking at these four teams all four you know leaders all four head coaches are you know very uh in your face type coach kind of old school like we say but they've led their teams uh in their respective to win their region what is this week like you know how much of an advantage you kind to give early just because he's gone through it more recently than some of these other guys and he's won uh kind of on his own with that back to back run you call had. Or do you kind of think maybe some of these other schools, Illinois, in particular, they're so young there. They don't even have to think about it. And I say young as in

their run in the tournament. None of these guys have the pressure or thought of like what to expect, even though they're much older European players. What do you think about that aspect? Do you kind of think Yukon might have a little bit of an advantage just because they know, hey, this is going to be the media day, this is going to be the stuff they're going through? Where do you kind of see that going into this weekend? Well, it's a good point about Danny. I mean, obviously he's won two national championships. So he's driven that road before and driven it really well.

It's a long week. It's, you know, everyone is euphoric around you. I think these first couple days probably to enjoy it a little more and find out when you stop enjoying it. you know, like later in the week. Is it the Wednesday or the Thursday? When do you get there? You can get there too soon.

Danny probably has, I don't know if he's done the same travel each time, but how do you do that? How do you get adjusted there? And then while you're there, what access do you give the players to everyone else? Because everyone's going to want to want to be around them. You know, you guys brought up a point about Lucas Oil and being in the dome and shooting. That's as good a place to play the Final Four as there is.

I can remember our last Final Four there. We won three championships in Indy, too, in Lucas Oil. And I remember walking up for the, I get chills thinking of it, walking up for the championship game, and how beautiful it was. like I'm saying, holy crap. Thank you for saying this. This is magnificent. I think it'll lift up all the kids.

It's, you know, like Saturday's a moment in time for all these teams. And four champions under one roof, it's the best day in college basketball. And to do it in Indianapolis, where you can feel the tournament all the time. wherever you're walking, eating in Lucas soil. Yeah, I'll tell you what, you're 100% right. Indies should host all of these. Yeah, they should. Every single time, bring it to Indianapolis.

Is Coach Kay have any say he should? Here is the first look at Lucas Oil Stadium as it is getting pieced together. You know, that stadium has hosted many things, Olympic swimming trials. They put an entire Olympic-sized pool in there. That was deeper than France's pool, I think, whenever they put it in a stadium. anytime they did basketball in there, your immediate thought is, I always hate the way a court looks inside stadium. It looks stupid.

They have that thing executed perfectly. They shut that thing down. It just looks like a massive basketball arena. It doesn't feel like you're too far away. It feels alive. And I appreciate you saying that coach. As somebody who's obviously played in there, that means a lot obviously coming from you.

It feels like it's a great venue. It does feel like it's a great venue. You know, nothing against all the other venues. But if they ever had a permanent home for it, it would be there. By the way, the people who owned a tournament are the NCAA. The NCAA owns the

tournament, and that's where they're at. You know, and maybe while the tournament's going on, they could meet and figure out how to hell to put guardrails and transparency. Okay. Let's not try to deflect this because Duke's not in the final four. Okay, we know there's a lot of things to figure out.

Final four in Indianapolis will be incredible. shout to Scott Agnes on the photo there for it coming together. And we appreciate the hell out of you, Coach. Thank you for joining us. Please send our positive words to the Duke Blue Devils. And also a reminder, that was one of the biggest moments of history of basketball last night. What happened? Huge.

That was gigantic. You guys are positive words. What's that? I'm a husky, man. He says no positive words to Shire from him. No, he should be proud, man. I think that. And look, one of the reasons they want is on the court leadership.

caravan is magnificent for him to make that shot the three before and then have the presence of mind to throw it to Mollins, not throw it, pass it to him. That was one of, to me, wanted a great place to pass, not just a shot. There's pressure, there's a turnover. Mollins gets it actually says let's give it to the senior. The guy that coach Hurley has said the greatest player he's ever coached and Mullins gets ball back and say, you know what? I guess I got to do it.

Yep, ready. It's a big time on the court leadership. He's as good as there is, the caravan. Have you ever forehead to forehead a ref and say, you know what? I think we won the game, didn't we buy? Zach, you ever do one of those? No, but I'm glad Roger Ayers, the official handled it right. That would have been some people.

Catastrophic for calling it. Maybe it's something on his nose. We don't know. We don't know if he said, what if they... Coach's nose was itchy. What if that's their handshake? Could be. If they've got a really good relationship.

Good game. Instead of, you know, because COVID was taking us completely away from handshakes. Yep. Whenever they, they go on the other side of COVID, they decided we're going to kind of counter that. We're going to be as close as possible. Well, every time we see you. Yeah, they're... Every day they nosees.

They do every single time they see it. I think it's bopping heads. It is bopping heads, isn't it? Well said, coach. Hey, first you bop the wood, then the heads start bopping. Then you got some real stuff going on. We appreciate the hell out of you, coach. All right.

See you guys. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen, Coach Schiafsky. Yeah, Coach would have been proud of the puts I made yesterday. Yeah, he would have. Uh-huh. I feel bad for Coach a golfer? He's bummed out. Yeah, he's scratch.

I would assume so. He scratch you. All these. I don't know. He's so lucky. Saving golfs a lot. Now that he's retired, he does a lot of the golfing. I think that's kind of his thing.

There's a really cool looking guy kind of walking around in Air Force. Have you guys seen him? This guy? Yeah. Wow. He looks really cool. Like Michael Imperioli. Yeah, there was three cops that showed up very, very, like, stern looking as they

walked down this part here. I had eyes on them. I was wondering what's going on. And then you've got to remind yourself, there's 32 billion, 31 billionaires here. and they all have all their families here. So all of the securities that all of them have are all here. And you can sense it that we are in a place that is good luck. Oh, serious people.

So the fact that we're in here is outrageous, I would say, Todd. Yeah, without a doubt, you know, it kind of just sets in when you're walking up there and they got these dogs sniff and everything. It's like, hey, this isn't some, you know, Mickey Mouse, dick around thing. This is very serious business. How much money do you think is in this hotel right now, total? I thought about that as I was walking through because I'd see one billionaire walk by. Damn, I'm actually here.

I'd say, actually here, because I assume this would be one that a lot of people would just say, no, I'm not doing it. But it feels like this is one where everybody, like, hey, yeah, we actually got to do it. Now, I think they have it to a point where it's only in a couple spots, which I assume it is like very well. And selected. Yeah, like, hey, we need the rooms. We need this.

We need this type of stuff because obviously these people are living very good lives. their leagues the biggest on planet Earth and coming into the league some of these owners wealthiest humans ever exist. So to have all that and for us to be here is pretty outrageous. It's wild. Very lucky to be here, very thankful to be here. And the decisions that are made here are literally a big deal. And I will say, Joe Buck, I just saw a walk by.

Oh, really? The Joe Buck? McDonough was here. Okay. Saw Turrico. Mike Toro. Italian Mike's here? Yes.

Collinsworth was here. Okay. All the stars were. rot shrags shrags he's right he's around here i guess is brady's got to be here then too right uh he's owner right yeah yeah he's got to they bring brady's one percenters that brady's private like is lyn bin here oh i'll be for sure here linbin owns this but actually the built more i didn't know if one bin one percent purchaser of the miami dolphins recently for uh 1225 million which is a 12 and a half billion dollar valuation for a team that hasn't won a super bowl since

73? 1973. 74 maybe? Did you guys win it after the perfect year as well? I don't remember. Yeah, the actual year or 74, but 73 season. Okay, sounds like. So it has a long time. That we won a playoff game in, what, 26 years?

Gumpy, how's it going back there? Paul had a little bit of a day yesterday. Gumpy did a little golf. Got a little chat and did a little insider, did a little networking him and Sal Capaccio caught up for a bit of a while. Gumpy, how are we doing back here, Paul? Pretty good. A little bit of a runaway yesterday.

It was about a 12-hour shift, I'd say. Pretty good run there. Pretty good run, boys. I took a nap in the middle of it. I came back for your late shift. You know, the old school days, the shipyard painting days when you're doing the third shift. Close.

I'll tell you, I haven't seen Gumpby like that in a long time. Long time. You look like you had one yesterday. How could you not? We're celebrating football in the middle of March. Amen. Right, Gump's?

Yeah, it was a hell of a day on the course. Like, I've never seen a performance. That was the best round golf I've ever seen. It was legit, 10, 10 fucking puts. It was insane to watch. I was just driving around in the cart. And Bean, Bean's hitting three woods.

He's as advertised. You're around trees. He was so good. Did you bring those shoes? I bought everything you see there. I bought there. That's a great looking outfit. Thank you.

Came together. Classic you. It's happy to see you out there, man. Size 35. That cow print? I'm just. Flowers. Okay.

Yeah, I brought the flowers in the desert, you know what I mean? Shoes unbelievable. I would say a pro shop was a 10 out of 10. Okay. Arizona Country Club is the name. Floppy? That's useful. That was a flop right there.

This one might have a little bit of a roll. Is the kid going to be able to knock it down? Yeah, he will. No problem. See you later. There's Beano going, there's Foxy saying, what's going on, man?

And then everybody knows it's Spider-X-250 plus Unlimited. And whatever I'm holding that thing, like a hockey stick, I'm rolling that thing. And I did a lot of research strictly from my mentions. There's me and Beano having a good time. I guess everybody's using his putter. I was going to take it home because there's a rental thing. After the round, I went and put it on the counter.

Sure. at the pro shop i said i'm gonna go to bathroom i need you guys figure out what i need to pay you for this yep come back out of bathroom they see a hundred bucks i say what you could have got yeah you're proud of giving you that five thousand so now that golf club with no head cover okay no nothing i'll need it good certainly used uh is now in uh the hotel room right oh nice boom don't forget it yeah and i'm gonna i'm gonna have that thing forever best round of golf i've played looked like it first round of golf i played maybe we're doing golf this year, boys. Here we go. Maybe we're doing golf. Putters used by PJ Tour winners.

Spider, spider, spider, spider, phantom, spider, spider. So, wow. I think it makes sense. I think that thing, I don't know what it was doing, but it felt like it was kind of rolling for itself. And we had a great time. Waymo him. Yep. Uh-oh. That thing. No driver. Speaking of, hey, hey, Tiger. Tiger. Yeah, perfect timing. Tiger. enough, dude. Okay? For society, for your legacy, for everything. You suck at driving. Okay? Your ass at it.

I don't like this. This is not, I don't like the conversations that are being forced to happen about you. Okay? This is reckless. We got this shit just fucking pulling up here. This thing had to get through two security checkpoints. Stopped. Put a hand up, waved. Yep. Got itself through there. That's where we're at in 20206. Come on. You can probably put that technology Gina's Buick. Or Rolls-Royce or fucking anything.

Sure. That is the conversation that I think that's my take on this. Incredibly dangerous. I've had friends, obviously, that have passed away from DUIs, both driving and victims of the entire thing. I've been around the generation of people that thought they were okay driving as they were completely intoxicated because, you know, through our lives, this has basically become something that's very real. And it's like, dude, you suck. You suck at it. Like, you're just not. You're not. This is nowhere near a thought that you're

continue to happen. And maybe, you know, who knows what's going to come out. Maybe he just fell asleep. Maybe something like that happened. But whatever the case, feels like I hear about it too much, and I'm done hearing about it. You're the fucking greatest golfer of all time. Okay, you worked your ass off, dude. You worked up, woke up at like 3 a.m. every single day to do all the shit that you did. You carried golf on your big red shoulders every single Sunday. You're all in the prowl for the golf. You took it to a place that was crazy. What you are in the sports conversation as an athlete is goat absolute goat of everything.

So let's stop with the bullshit that doesn't have to happen, okay? Because this is not something that you should be doing. It's not something that we should be trying to let other people know it's okay. We got robots driving. Yeah. Everywhere right now. Figure it out. That's what I would like say about Tiger Woods.

I feel like we had to talk about it. Love you, Tiger. Yes, exactly. That is where this is like, hey, dude, come on. You are huge for sports. You are huge for our story. for golf, for everything. So let's figure it out, thought.

Yeah, figure it. I don't like seeing it. No, I just think that driving, like, it makes them maybe feel normal. Tony, stop it, all right? Come on. Serious moment. There was an interesting reaction. Yeah, there was.

There was certainly was. I hope he does figure it out, though. Whatever that is. Who knows? Who knows the entire store? I know he blew triple zeros and the cops said they felt this and that about him, but hopefully he figures out whatever. You know, he obviously is an all-time great.

athlete. He's human. He has his battle, so hopefully he figures it out. And, you know, we need you. We need you around, Tiger. Yes, we do. I'm sick of seeing and hearing about him potentially dying as he's trying. I don't like this. Exactly. You don't want the first thing associated with Tiger to be

this type of stuff now. Like, you know, I mean, obviously he's had his issues in the past, but like you don't want to ruin your entire legacy where the first thing people mention with it is not how many majors. It's one. It's like, this guy has 10 DUIs. Have have Sun

Day Red Okay Get a robot vehicle Yeah Tiger Mobile Okay The Sunday Red Mobile You can maybe create it

Yeah Just you own the car Congratulations you have a vehicle You can sell for other people Orange with stripes You know I mean like this is something Oh because the tiger

Yeah I thought you were thinking maybe red Because that's kind of his entire That'd be cool too I just figure Tiger moving Yeah I feel like they probably had this conversation with like Babe Ruth like a hundred years ago like hey baby can't you can't be driving it's 2026

we got this thing this robot we showed up right here sure or you know what you can actually probably pick someone you like just give give them a salary and have them drive you around that that you enjoy being around like what do we what are we even talking about here yeah i i don't know come on figure it out come on that that's real come on man you're great for sport you did incredible things for golf. Every time you're around, the needle moves for sport. Let's continue that. Okay? Let's be smart.

Let's not die. How about that? And let's not kill anybody. Bingo. That would be great. Some other things we have not talked about. There are some quotes that have come out of the meetings behind us. Now, these meetings are, they're all in sessions right now. They are literally all in sessions right now. There's actual voting and presentations

happening. Now, the YouTube trends person, I didn't know that person's doing it. Yeah. like to see them. That was kind of an interesting little drop there by Carly Irsa. We don't know who's all talking there, but we do know a lot of people talk this morning. Andrew Barry, Cleveland Brown's GM. He had this to say about the Miles Garrett's going to be traded because they renegotiated and redid his deal. One of the greatest lines I've heard in some time. I'd say this, Mary Kaye. Miles is a career brown. He is one of the faces of our organization. I think we've been very clear, both past and present in terms of I understand all the questions.

I'll be honest, I don't really want to waste a ton more breath on the topic. There's only a limited amount of error, right? I'm done wasting breath on this topic. I love that he came out that strong, and I assume that he is telling the truth. Yeah. That's right. I know Andrew Barry. We knew Andrew Barry whenever he was with the Colts.

He does look more jacked. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, birthday. Yeah. Happy birthday, Andrew. Happy birthday, Andrew. Hi, Andrew.

Hi, birthday, Andrew. but it sounds like he's about done with it all. It sounds like they're going to be keeping Miles Garrett no matter what they do with the contract. Yeah, and those conversations will kind of, they'll be here, at least for the foreseeable future, because of who Miles Garrett has been, how he attacks his social media when he wants to get messaging out.

And then whenever you rework a contract, you're always trying to look and see, okay, what's the writing on the wall? So that's what he's saying now. I believe him. Shefty, the last time he was on here, he said it as well. And obviously, we know things changed. So next year it could be a different conversation

and different answer or the year after that, but you have one of the all-time great defenders at a very premium position. So, yeah, I would think Cleveland Browns and Andrew Barry want to keep him as long as seemingly possible. And Andrew Barry, he's been through it, Nas. He got it. He got hired really young. We thought he was potentially going to get the Colts gig whenever the general manager. He was been like 25, maybe 24.

Would have been very early. But always very obvious that he was on the trajectory to become a general manager. Former quarterback at Harvard, I do believe, cut his teeth in the scouting road, used to drive around. Would spin it during workouts. for the, you know, like, yeah, like the free agent workouts, whatever the case is. He loved ball and everybody loved him. I don't remember a single person that had anything negative to say about him. I've seen him have a good time, too.

Like, I think he, I think he's, like, built for the job. Yeah. Now, the job that he has done and had. Tough. There's been some shit now. Really? There's been a quarterback that took you to the playoffs and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs, and then you kind of kick him out.

Then obviously there's a deal that, changes football forever in the Deshawn Watson $230 million negotiation fully guaranteed that David Mulligan did for the Cleveland Browns get back in the conversation to get Deshawn with everything that was happening around it. And that being said that it came from ownership. So he's been hamstrung by this deal forever. It's like Andrew Barry's run as General Manager has been very fascinating.

And I as fan of his and old friend of his, I think he's got a future that I think he's being told he has by ownership. Okay, like because of the Deshaun deal. think that has kind of been promised. If Stafansky's out, this is obviously like your thing. I don't know how long it's going to take. I don't know if they know who their quarterback is. I don't know if they know anything,

but I think he does know that Miles Garrett's going to be his guy. And we paid him 40 million a year to do as such. Yeah. Well, and also like the Baker stuff, we don't, everything we've heard is that that was kind of like a Baker-Sefansky thing. So he may not have even had any say in that. So it's kind of difficult when the most important position in sports and the most important position on your team,

you don't really have any say in who that guy is. because and then you have to answer all the questions when you're not any good it's like well you know there's not a whole lot i can do here and now that he's got his draft picks back like last year he had mason graham who was unbelievable and the swesinger one defense player the year and then quinshawn juckins was the best rookie running back and one of the best rookie yeah and like they had a great great draft class like so yes when he has not been hamstrung he's been a solid gym hey can spin it till got a couple years here to build it too you got a new head coach so you got a completely new chapter and we just had Brandon Bean on here.

He's under a different type of pressure. You got to win it and win it now. And then, you know, Andrew Barry, he's got to build that winner because Cleveland, I mean, they've never had that. So you just want to see some hope and get better and better. Listen to Bean talk to us, you know, because we're a bit of a little bit.

Sure. Having a good time, of course. Bean, you're going to win a Super Bowl up there? You know, just kind of drop one of those. He goes, believe me. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, I know.

He knows. It's like everybody in their nose. Hopefully, everybody in their nose, especially with the way the league is going. This is an incredible time to be a part of football. And we're lucky that we are a tiny little part of it. Now, we will be here tomorrow after tonight's big networking event. What will we learn?

Who knows? That would see that? Yeah. A little cliffhanger. Camelback Mountains called me thinking about the cliffs. That's right. I was thinking about hiking the tall part of that. Nah, don't do that.

That'd be sweet. How long that thought last? We had some serious combos about it yesterday. You're all boozing for real. Yeah. We were. Why don't we climb that thing tomorrow? We were told one hour up, one hour down.

It's not too bad. I said, yep, sign me off. Yeah, and I said, I'd do one hour up, one hour down. And then Bailey McComis this morning was like, I was actually poking around five hours round trips, what they said? It's like, well, who's fucking lying? Somebody's lying out here. Well, who told you the one up, one down?

AQ. Oh, that guy's definitely. What? Why doesn't everyone say that about it? He's a bird. AQ looks like a hiker. He is a bird. You're right.

He knows the ins and out. No. Remember, was that sarcastic? What? That you said he looks like a hiker. He does. He has the body built for hiking.

You think about hiking. You look at eight years. He does have those gimmick shoes that he can like, you know. I don't think he's in that stage of his life anymore. Maybe like a boulder on a hike. I'll tell you what. He took care of us out there at Arizona Country Club. How do he play?

He took care. He was doing a lot of talking. He was talking pretty good there early. He had a lot of good talking. Moving shadow. You would say, Fogg. Yeah, moving the shadow over the holes.

He played good. I think I even played good. You guys just played outstanding. It was honestly very fun to watch. It was a great round of golf. Yeah, well, it was, I couldn't drive for anything. I got two drives that we use,

but Beano pounds the ball. That's why he got Beano. Pounds those. Fair teams? What a Gump shoot? I think it was fair teams. Gump, didn't you have a perfect game? Gump, didn't you have a perfect game?

No, you missed that one. Oh, I shot in 18, I think. It's a pretty good day. Speaking of a perfect day. I wish. All right, we're going to take a break. On the other side, we got coach Mike McCarthy to Pittsburgh Steelers join us.

He just hopped through a bush over here. Hey, I just watched him pop. Who put that there? Can you go to this back camera? Oh, no, no, yeah, no, yeah. We're going to take a break. We're going to take a break real quick. Is that okay?

All right, we'll take a break. Do you put this back camera on to show these bushes that are just right down this camera back here? That's one second. Okay. That's all right. We'll get it next time. Yeah, so those bushes right there.

I just watched Mike McCarthy hop out. Yep. Bushes start shaking and him bat himself off right there. Literally as we were speaking, I think he's pretty pumped to talk. We cannot wait to catch up with him. Yes. New head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Inzer legend, Super Champion. Mike McCarthy will join us live from the league meetings here at the Biltmore and beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. Be a friend, tell her friends something nice. It might change your life. Five. Five. The greatest thing, ladies and gentlemen,

join us now is a living legend. A multiple suit baller winner, a man who's a friend of the program, a Yinser who is now in charge of the Yenzer's team, head coach of Pittsburgh Steelers. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Mike McCormty. Oh, he's bringing a gift. Oh, he's bringing a gift.

He's bringing a cake. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, we got a little lighter, too. We got a little lighter, too. Is that for Andrew Barry? Wow. It's not for Andrew Barry. Wow. Not for Andrew Barry. Coach, thank you for doing this. Town from, uh, city of Pittsburgh. Happy birthday. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Hello those out before the wind does, of course, yeah. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. you. Happy birthday, dear

Ted. Thanks, boys. Thank you, boys. I kept that secret. I kept that secret. Yeah, I feel like a real dickhead. Happy birthday, Tony. You didn't know?

No, I didn't. I was hoping nobody knew. I knew. Coach, I know with your size brain, this could be offensive, but put that up over top of there. Why don't you grab a fistful? Perfect.

Coach, thank you for bringing that cake for tone. Oh, absolutely. He's going to obviously love that even more because of the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach, let alone a Yinser who is the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach. We saw your emotional press conference. Okay. We've obviously gotten a chance to follow along. You are the head coach of Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah.

How is it? I don't know how many days you're into the job, but how has it been kind of acclimating yourself back to being super Yinser, which is what the head coach of the Steelers is, basically. Well, I mean, it's great to be back in Pittsburgh. But I think it's like anything else you once you get past the press conference and you dive in there and get to work. So it's the organization's been phenomenal and just, you know, hiring the coaching staff, just go through the everyday stuff. But it's it's really still surreal in a lot of ways. You know, I can see my neighborhood from the, you know, from my office window. So I'm back living at home.

You know, I live in the basement with my parents. So that's that's really cool. But to be with them, you know, at this point in their lives, you know, they're 88 and 84 years old. So it's been really cool. Yeah, it felt like that was a really emotional trigger for you at the press conference. And then I think a lot of Yenzer started seeing like the human that you are, the Yinser that you are. And you talk about being able to see your neighborhood. I think AJ and everybody's told us that you had pictures of your neighborhood in your other offices at other places.

So we're happy you're getting a chance to experience being back home as the head coach. Now, obviously, got a lot you got to figure out. Team won the AFC North last year, but obviously did not. not through well in the playoffs. That has been the story of the Steelers for a long time. What has been your mentality as you address the building on what the expectations are and how do you kind of get to that? Well, I think it's just my third time doing it.

So I think through experience, you definitely, when you walk in there, there's so much greatness just as you come up to steps every day. And I think you've just got to be in tune with that. You know, they have the opportunity to work in Green Bay with an incredible history and tradition, the same in Dallas. You have to, you know, you've got to embrace it, but also you've got to make it your own. You know, you've got to build your, you got to build your program. So, you know, working with, you know, Art Rooney, Dan Rooney, and in Omaha, we've just,

really just going to step by step and looked at everything. And, you know, a lot of things you want to keep and build off of what they've done in the past, but then there's a new way. So there's a new language. I'm really looking forward to getting with the players here next week. They came in for, they'll come in for phase one. and hopefully you get to see all those guys. And just tell them, you know,

this is just the way we operate and want to connect and get our program in place. Because, you know, it's, we all teach, you know, we all teach fundamentals as coaches. We all have similar plays, but it's how you do it. You know, it's your, you know, it's your process. Everybody has a plan, but, you know, we teach systems. You know, we want to get our system in place and everything we do.

Be proactive with our adjustments and get that in the hands of our players. as fast we can. You win a lot. I mean, that is well documented that you win a lot. And Dallas, got to win a Super Bowl. It doesn't matter if you win 12 games a season, which is crazy to think about. Yeah, multiple times. It's crazy. It's crazy to think about that is the case. But you got to win a Super Bowl. That is what it's like at the places that you've only had coach. Green Bay, Dallas and Pittsburgh. There's going to be a lot of pressure. You talk about meeting with the guys here whenever they get into the building. Have you been texting guys at FaceTime? Like, what is your kind of role with, especially with the stars of the team or studs of the team?

I think it's important, you know, one to touch bases, which really nice is as guys been coming in town, they stop in. So, you know, as the coaches were being, you know, the staff, as we were coming together, you know, it's, you know, trying to touch base with everybody, you know, as we get acclimated. But to be honest with you, really taking a hard dive, you know, going through this a third time, like, for instance, on offense, you know, I end up keeping more of the terminology and language of the past, just trying to, because I am conscientious, you know, you've been through that. You don't want to make it totally brand new if you don't have to, you know, I mean,

type of. So you're learning their lingo. Well, I mean, like on defense, you know, that system's been there since 1992. You know, Bill Kairn, Don Capers put it in, Dom. For us in, you know, in Green Bay. So you're very familiar. We have guys that have played in that system, coaching that system. So, you know, we don't want to just tear it all down and call, you know, yellow blue.

And it's been yellow for since 1992. but just being in tune with, you know, because the end of the day, it's about communication and connection. So as soon as we get the communication and the connection, right, then the confidence comes. And at the end of the day, I think, you know, football is all about who's the most confident when the ball snapped. Yeah, because it gets a little slippy when you're getting time

and communications kind of don't down there, you know what I mean? And they put a gum band around it and then you kind of circle back to that thing. And then you're talking about this and that. You know, you got a lot going on, Donner. Don there. Isn't that kind of what it is like? I'm ban, huh? Did you put it in the buggy?

Did you? Yeah, okay. You have a good time. You are super Yinsa right now. You know that? I'm a Pittsburgh guy. No, but in general. That's my generation's school.

So, no. I just like to correct him when I get a job. Just know your hero Yenza right now, living everybody's dream. You talk about talking to the players whenever they come down, whenever they get in a ton, Don, you know, can we talk about you talking to your potential quarterback that you might know a little bit?

AFC coaches. sit in a really uncomfortable room in a building right over there tomorrow morning. Yep. Okay, I walked in there this morning for the NFC one. What's so uncomfortable about it? How many people were? I didn't know how many people.

Did you know how many people were in it? I guess you would. I had no idea. It's every local media person basically from every single city is here. Look at this. It is packed out. I thought we're going to go in there because I've seen pictures before of like coaches sitting there

and nobody around them. I thought that's what I was walking into. I thought this was like a super... Yeah, that's not a good sign. No. For you tomorrow. Yeah. I hope there's no one in my time.

No, that's going to be a lot of facts. But you know what you're going to get asked the entire time? That's okay. Do you know what you're going to get asked, though? You know, just what a great job you did on the McAbee Show, hanging out of the guys. Hey, that's the first question. It's got the next one. But you did.

Let's go to the next one. You did do that? That would be an accurate report. Absolutely. What do you think the next question would be? No, I mean, always talk about the quarterback, right? Yeah, and they would say, hey, Aaron Rogers said that I haven't even really heard from this. Everybody wants me to make a decision. I've really heard from the Steelers, which led us to believe, like,

okay, maybe they're both kind of going through processes right now to figure it out. Aaron trying to figure out whether or not he wants to play. You guys figuring out when the right time to talk to Aaron. Obviously, you have great relationships with Aaron as well on what it is. How do you kind of juggle all that that's happening right now? Because that is what? You're going to get 100 questions about that tomorrow. You're not. I mean, I've talked to Aaron regularly,

and we'll continue to do so. And we're just working, you know, we're just working through it, you know. And when it's time to, you know, fully address it, we will. But it's a process that he's going through and I'm comfortable with it. But we've had very, very positive conversations on a, you know, on a weekly basis. His offense that he loves is the offense you put into his life. He's called it many times beautiful. The West Coast offense is beautiful.

And it does this. And he says the modern game is missing out on this. He like, I think he would write maybe a book about the beauty of, certainly of the West Coast like I think he would actually do that the way he's talked about it in the past that is obviously an offense that you know very very well that feels like simpatico conversations that you're having or are you going to take yeah because you just talked about systems that have been in place first what it hasn't been in place if Aaron's your quarterback it feels like you have everything at your disposal rate in the history of your offense is that true or is your offense definitely I mean the offense is you know it's it's what I believe in it's you know that that that part's already being built on it. daily basis with the coaches. So we're just, you know, we're getting geared up for when we can meet with our guys next week. So, um, he's doing it, right? It's got to be, it just makes too much say 100%. Why would he not want to showcase the offense that he has been singing the praises of every single time he spoke about it, you know, especially with winning the AFC North last year with

exactly. A bunch of his former, you know, former head coach and a bunch of other guys who are in Green Bay who presumably has good relationships with. Seems like it just be a fun year. That feels like the right yeah no it's is that what you're saying to him though is that like the conversations you're having a part of everything oh yeah he's yeah he knows you know he talks to the coaches that are there and there's a lot of very positive healthy communication going on okay positive weekly good for you yeah we talked about your previous stops without packers cowboys and now stillers how is it addressing the team for the first time as a head coach because obviously you know the building you know the city but now this is this is your team

We always talk about presidents and commanding the room, which obviously you have no problem doing that. But how do you go? What's that process leading up? It's something you write down or notes. Do you practice it in the mirror? Like, how does this go? Oh, yeah. That's a great question because, you know, I could still remember.

I think it was March 15th, 2006, in the first time. You know, I addressed the full team. And when I walked in there in Green Bay and I was a little under the weather and I stood up front. I'm going to think, oh, shit, there's a lot of people in there. Because I've not been to coordinate. but gosh, it was just, you know, there's a moment. It was actually something I've shared with all the assistants that have worked with me. And we have a program, you can call it that we have General of the Week

where we let the assistant coach talk on Fridays, 8 to 10 minutes. And he gets to present his why or something in line with our messaging. And it's really came from that experience because I thought, boy, if I could have, if I can give an assistant coach for, because as a coordinator, you get to talk in front of a big group a lot. Yep. For a position coach to do that. And it's been it's been awesome to watch younger coaches over the last 20 years do that

and see them do it the first time and do it the second time, so forth. So but to answer your question specifically, I'm looking forward to it. I really am. And, you know, every team meeting room is different, you know, and it's no different here. So, but yeah, I'm ready to go. And what I've learned is less is better, you know, less volume, more creative. as a coaching principle I believe in and I think it's important, you know, because I think we all get up there and, you know, we want to talk and say more than we

probably should. So, but yeah, I'm looking forward to getting in front of the team. Yeah, he wants to run scoreboard up. I know. I know what we all want. Uh-huh. We all want to run scoreboard up. Yeah, right.

Yeah, certainly. Yes, we certainly. When I'm calling the plays, that's right. Yeah, that's right. That's right. What you're back doing, right? Yeah, yeah. You're calling plays next year?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. How do you feel about that? Because you were calling plays and you weren't calling plays and you weren't calling plays or calling plays, not calling plays. You could be a CEO is what they always say if you're not calling the plays. Yeah, you know, it's philosophical clearly. You know, I didn't call them twice in my career and I don't, and I think they clearly were the right decisions, you know, when I did in 15 and did it in 2020 to 2022. So, I mean, you learn from that and so forth. But, you know, I think

it's important to, as a head coach, you know, when you bring something specific to the able that your team reflects that. And, you know, and when I did, you know, when I did make a decision the other two times, you know, I felt like the offenses were, you know, we're, we're successful. So I didn't feel like it, you know, it was not the right decision. So, but, you know, this is, we want to, we want to play a certain way on offense. You know, we're an outdoor team, you know, with some back to the Green Bay days as opposed to being an indoor team in Dallas.

So, you know, with that comes, you know, different thought process. and how you may look at certain things. So, but yeah, that's why I'm going to call it. You see, there's no PFF for that. Congrats, Collinsworth, by the way. There's a big, big acquisition. It just happened. 100 million bucks. I don't, I didn't read the article, but I saw 100 million

and Chris Collinsworth and PFF in there. Congratulations to him. Still bringing it. Yeah, still bringing it. Great product. You being sarcastic? No. I don't like it.

Well, I know. I know mathematics. Players don't like you. The universe of language of the universe. Fish, yeah. Galileo, Galileo, I like it as a tool as well. It's a good tool. Yeah, I think it's good tool.

I don't like the rankings of guys on Sunday Night Football. You know, I don't think I love that. That's not what I use it for them. Well, if you watch the games, which we do as fans, I watch with sound, you watch without sound, because you're watching film. I'm just watching a game in its entirety. But, yeah, congrats to this. You're watching the game.

Sorry, I'm not. That's what I'm saying. You're actually watching. I'm just kind of watching, if that makes sense. but the PFF can't judge like, hey, in Dallas, we have an indoor team. Okay, majority of our games are happening in great weather, great footing, great, everything like that. Let's build the team as such. AFC North Football, outdoor football, different.

I think that's like the, you know, that's the shit that I think some people get lost in and don't have a good feel for. And inevitably, it just doesn't work out. And people are like, why didn't work out? It's like, whoa, you got to match the culture, I think, of where you're at. That feels like something you definitely think about, which I like. Yeah, definitely. We all do. Yeah, I agree with everything you said, you know.

Pittsburgh's going to be proud of your team. Mm-hmm. Oh, man, it's part of the fabric. I mean, you know, it's so neat when you do sit down with some of the younger, younger people is, you know, when you're in the facility, you're little, he's sitting where a steel mill used to be. You know, because when I was a kid, you know, I drive down Greenfield Avenue, second Avenue across the hot, you know, mellow bridge and go down Water Street to go to work every day. That was all mills, you know, back in the 70s. into the mid 80s. So it is part of the fabric.

It's a point I'm making. There's an identity of how Pittsburgh Steelers football is. And it's at the core. I'm just thrilled to be part of it. What's your alarm? Is it? Oh, my mom is fear

on my life. I'm the long, the law. You guys have been on. You don't even practice this stuff, too. We practice live. And that's it. That one's happened a lot, but that's three songs we haven't got you to buy in.

Happy birthday, the other one and that one. We'll get you. Happy birthday he sung because he felt a lot of words. Birthday boy has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, obviously, Coach Tomlin was there for a very, very long time, 18 years or whatever, and had a lot of success. And then you have guys who were with him in Cam and T.J. Like, when you go in there and you get the feel of the building,

will you use those veterans to, I don't want to say, change the building or change the locker room? but maybe we use them to kind of instill what you believe in and things differently than coach tomlin did definitely i i think you got to use everybody and you know they have an experience and you know that their assets to what you're trying to build no doubt about it and but also you know we have 12 picks we have 12 draft picks you know and AJ Hawk was my first you know first ever draft pick good pick god bless him you see him on spray He looks good still. Oh, really?

Yeah. Spray tan, huh? Yeah, he did. He showed up on Friday with one. It was crazy. He looked so handsome. Yeah, that's real. He'd be proud of him.

His teeth is so white. Oh, my God. Spray tan. Nice little trick for our colored folks as well. I'll have to get to that, yeah. Maybe first game. Come out. Spray tan with his teeth.

Yeah. What you're saying is great draft pick. Great draft. Great draft. Great draft big. C.D. Lamb was our first pick in Dallas. I don't want 10. I just think that first class is.

important, you know, when you're building a program, you know, the veterans and what's there and when we start next week, they will impact, you know, the success of our football team in its upcoming year. But, you know, to get them guys connected and show this young group coming in is, I think it's extremely important. Yeah, coach, speaking of the draft, obviously, you know, this is, I don't know if it changes anything with it being in Pittsburgh, being the host city. I'm sure there's a lot of other bullshit that you have to do that maybe you wouldn't normally have to do. Wednesday night, by the way, we need you.

Yeah, exactly. But when it comes to this draft, you know, you were on the show with us in January before you got the job. Like, how much have you kept up on this particular class? Is that something where you're relying on the scouts a lot more than maybe you would in the past? Like, have you really, I mean, I assume, obviously you've doven in quite a bit, the draft's right around the corner. But just looking at this draft class, like, how did that process go? Is there anyone you really like? And was it different than years past?

Have you taken? I mean, it's- And who are you taking it? You know our draft spectacular. That would help us out a lot. Yeah. Please. Speed down, yeah.

Keep you on there. But I think the biggest thing is, you know, every opportunity has been different for me. You know, Green Bay, Dallas. But, yes, we spent a lot of time in the draft process. I was able to sit in with the scouts before we went to the combine. You know, we took a lap through, you know, most of the positions. Didn't get to many, as many of the pro days as we had scheduled. We were originally scheduled to go to six of them.

just because a bunch of other things moving around, we just made the one down there in Georgia. But, yeah, we're very, very involved. And when we get back, you know, we have our draft meetings, our final draft meetings with the coaches that we'll go through. So, yeah, we've been working hand in hand, working, you know, splitting our time.

Not really splitting our time, probably 60, 40 on, you know, football versus draft. So, but, yeah, this is a big draft for us. But as far as being in Pittsburgh, you know, you're just so locked in what you're doing. you know, and it's a couple miles down the river there, so. But it looks to be incredible. I mean, hey, they canceled school.

Yeah. Yeah. People aren't happy about that that don't get it. Yeah, I don't even want to talk to them. They don't get it. That's why the football town wins tonight. We'll see here. We need you to come through.

Yeah, definitely. No, definitely. No, don't get any, don't ruff any of feathers. Of course, we don't want any of that shit, but we would love to have you there at football time. What's that mean? Like if. Like if you're supposed to go some hot-nobby, you know, you're supposed to get some uppity, you know.

We're with suits. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. A lot of them in there, aren't they? They're all in there. I like my new job, Pat. Connor, his question for you. Yeah, coach, draft, free agent,

you know, also adding players through traits this offseason for you guys, especially establishing culture. Did you listen to everything Pat had to say about Michael Pittman, Jr. last year and then just say, okay, I'm going to go ahead and tell him more of comedy to bring this guy in for our own culture. And also, how much does it help having kind of two? two number ones being able to partner him up with D.K. Metcalf for whoever is a quarterback, having those two guys are going to help out a lot.

No, definitely. I mean, Pat's influence is huge in every personal decision that we make. Hell, yeah. I would like a fee. At all you want paid. Yeah. Yeah. I would.

Talk to you, Bert. Bert lot. Does he figure that out? No. Bert will get it done. But no, Michael, I frankly, love them coming out in the draft. You know, he was someone that we had rated very highly in. in Dallas. And if you remember CD, you know, fell to us, you know, we thought. So, but yeah,

watching his career and just, you know, the way that whole deal came available, you know, you got to give Omar a ton of credit. You know, he was watching that situation. And then, you know, it timed up great. So he's going to be, he's perfect. He's the way out, you know, love to play. You know, bigger target can play all three spots. You know, you play the XZ and the F, you know, move him around. So, and that's just the way we like to play football. We, you know, We like to play concept football and keep moving our guys around and try to create matchups. You just said bigger target. Have you imagined what you're going to do with Darnow, Washington yet?

Big target. Big target. No, in Pat also. It just tight ends, outdoor football, which Pat's already alluded to, I think it's important. And that's the way the team is supposed to look. You alluded to that. Oh, me. I'm just a parrot.

Just speaking, what I'm hearing. And what I'm hearing is, Yenzers are excited for the McCarthy era. I can't wait to watch you and Renegade do that, Donard Accresher. We're going to get to work, time. Oh, my, I'm in fear for my life from the bus. Okay, I'll work on it. You on the silent.

The Shire. Yeah. That's my place to do it, Donner, at the Shire. Yeah, you're right. The coach's photo is about to happen, I think, right? Are they setting up for that? Do you, how do you plan who you sit next to? Is it assigned seating?

Are you trying to find somebody to sit next? to do pushups before you need to sit there both the floors body and both you just find your spot and take the picture so I don't really put a whole lot of thought into it and I got more important things to do more than a day yeah what are we figuring out the refs we figuring out

18 season we got what what type stuff do the coaches handle here yeah I'll tell you what I've always enjoyed coming to the owner's meeting because it's very informative you know obviously there's a lot of dialogue you see the direction you know of how things go I think my first one whenever in 2006 was here at the Billmore.

So it's always a good experience. I mean, there's not a lot of topics compared to other years, you know, this year. But, yeah, it's a lot of things that you just, you know, it's not my responsibility to talk about outside the room. Do you get to stand up there and, like, talk in front of everybody about the refs and basically say, like, hey, I went through this bullshit once before. I got a fucking loss on my record because of the film area. Yeah, exactly.

Like, I mean, they should be listening to you maybe more so than anybody else. on that. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's I think technology would take care of that today. You know, I'm being you know, optimist. Okay. Because it can't, you know, can't go back. Yeah, I don't want to lose your job. We get it. I think you're missing a photo, actually, as we speak

right now. The boys are all tapping each other up. That's the GMs. I think they go first. No. No, I see Andy. I see all the coaches. All right. All right. Well, I got to go to. Yeah. Yes, you do. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, hey, ladies and a Pittsburgh Steelers. Friend of a program. We appreciate you. Proud of you. Thank you. Thanks, gosh.

Oh, love you, Coach. Good luck out there. Make sure you can get a good spot out there. Let's not be next to Dan Campbell or Vraibes. You know what I mean? LaFleur is super attractive. Maybe don't sit, you know.

Get next to, uh, Liam Cohen looks so cool. Look, that was paying. Oh, my God, Liam Cohen looks so cool. Look at him. Look how cool this dude looks. Dude, you look so cool. Hopefully you'll join us.

I bet him and Sal already went forehead to forehead. They're doing the Hurley. That's what they're calling it. Yeah, yeah. The Hurley. Do the Hurley? You on do the early? As the boys file in for the notorious annual head coach's photo, Liam Cohen just shook the hand

of Jim Harbaugh. Obviously, it looked incredibly cool. Bert Lawton is in the seat there walking behind Mike McCarthy as they make their way. Bert Lotton, the Inzer Legend and Pittsburgh Steelers staple. He has a baldhead, not worried about the Arizona's son. I thought that was an aggressive decision. We'll see who sits next to who, who likes who, who hates who. That was going to be the question I was going to have for the NFC coaches when I went in there.

Wasn't able to ask it because the place was too packed. Coach Mike got on the edge. Yeah, he just went and stood on the edge. Yeah. Asport. Oh, Nick got him. Mike McDonald right in the middle. This is my league now, boys.

Caboli posted a photo of Siriani who just walked by everybody there. It was breaking, yeah. It did not look as flattering as him walking. No. He looks pretty jacked right now. Yeah. Like he's got some diesel, maybe some science running through his vein. That was a rude photo of Koboli.

And if he's super jacked and has any tub at all, he's obviously going to look like he's sitting down. Siriani was exposed here. What we just saw him walk by, I think we go all over. Yeah. He's over to be running through to Sierra Leigh. He's absolutely jacked. And you just mentioned it. I think we know who Siriani's first doing the Hurley is going to be with.

He's going to walk over to Koboli whenever he's done with this and get in his face. Dan Morgan straight back here in front of the hotel. I don't know if we should be shooting everybody. Actually, there's a lot of. There's a... Dan Morgan has a... over in at least probably two of them if I had the guess all right it feels like it's really getting after it we're going to go uh say hello oh for a let's go photo ball yeah front center

jack go back to the coach's photo please can we go back to the coaches photo please go right right next to halfway i was gonna say white pants on how you doing he's making halfly boom his knees together shot right next to sean payton and shorts oh sean payton's gonna body him back i would assume if i know anything about sean payton he's not going to let that happen yeah he's going Braves is really, Braves has put both arms on the armrest. He has put both on the plane. Imagine him in the middle seat on the bus. That's my headball coat.

Aaron Glenn kind of. Now we got a guy just standing right in front. Okay, he looks sweet. Congrats on the coaches. You guys are head coach in the NFL. Vrable is not budget. No, he's not. No, he's not.

Sean Payton's going to have to work. He's going to get leverage there. Yeah. He's going to win. See Braves. Grabbing up, I believe it was Ianacho, the left tackle from Arizona. state or right tackle. He was doing it. Yeah, I wonder about that actually, because that's

quite an advantage. Yeah, that he's able to get an actual hand. Now, granted. I don't want to say it. Yeah, get your weight up other coaches. Well, he did it to Will Campbell as well. Yeah. So maybe he thought Will has it somewhere, because Will obviously struggled with some things. But Vrebel is the only guy that we see getting after it with these offensive alignment.

Who would, in theory, technically be able to feel if guy knows leverage, power, what type of feel he has? So with being said, I have faith in Will Campbell in long term. And if he likes this guy, I assume he's going to have it because Brable's literally had to do it for his entire career. I love seeing coaches like this get hands-gone. We always see clips year and a year out at the combine. Some coach getting ran over by either running back or tackle or some shit like this. But I love seeing Brab's really getting in there. Nick Casario, GM, over there, he pretty much ran my

pro day. So he put me through all the drills, through all the passes. So you get a little more. And obviously the Patriots went on to draft me that year. So I would definitely keep my eye on this guy going to the Patriots. Andrew Barry just walked by. He is jacked. So is Frabble. We don't have eye. Aaron Glenn just walked that way.

I'm not taking the picture. I'm not taking the picture this year. I think that's what he said. I mean, he can do it every once. He can. He can't. He can't coach. Coach reads in his classic Hawaiian.

The real one? I can't tell, actually. What if he does just send me? I would like to say we as a program thought that Dan Hurley had the head thing was AI. We called. For sure. I believe it.

I never faltered. You're right. Mania. You believed it too. I mean, it's Dan Hurley football. I believed it. That's why he once triple platinum. I thought it was a perfect video.

Yeah. Yeah, we're like, wow. A.I. is really doing it. AI is really doing it. Because it seemed to have no glitches, no flubs. And it was at the end of a very long video. The original video is like a minute long. So I was like, man, if some editor used AI to add that at the very end of that, that'd be a

great how's that not that i don't know how it's not honestly what is history that's not what is history of refs too oh i'm telling you i think his nose was just itchy you saw him i love it that might have been there we don't know if that was their handshake can you imagine what would happen though if like the ref came in just like a little bit faster he did like he's headbutton that guy and breaking his nose both of them bleeding automatic boom boom boom he was just in the moment wow I appreciate it. I appreciate it. It's awesome.

And I love that it went the way it went, which leads us to this. We love good officiating. Yeah. We love refs to get it. We love refs that don't want to make it about themselves. We love refs that say, you can't, all right, you need to not. Is it worth me winning this game for this team right now? Yeah.

And the refeciding not to do that. We like that type of feel. We like that. We need them in the NFL. That's the type of shit we need in the NFL. So with these negotiations that are currently happening between the refs and everybody in this building in here, that has been very kind to us, very awesome to us, and put us up in this entire situation at a different hotel. So, that's a nice hotel, too.

Nice. Yeah, nice hotel. Kind of got our own hotel over there. But on that note, different hotel I've been seeing who's been staying here, fascinating. So we certainly have a, we are, we like the league. We fucking like the, I like the NFL. I love the NFL. I'm very grateful for the NFL for what did for me as a player, what it did.

for everything. I would like to see the NFL to continue to prosper because the NFL is good for society. We're in Australia now. It's fucking good to be everywhere. It's like, this is good. This is unity. It's good for the game. The refs are a very important part of this thing. And I just hope it doesn't become what always happens

in these CBA negotiations where it's just like fighting over everything and not just like maybe expanding your horizon and being like, maybe better. We could do that, maybe. Because it feels like there is very heels dug in, which is every CBA. And it's like, hey, especially with what's going on with ABS right now with the umpires.

It's like, I think we as a sports are ready for the advancement of officials as well. Yeah. And we know it's a hard job, but we're tired of having to say that. So if we can get to a point where we can all be very good and consistent at a more rapid clip, and then we can utilize their current technology as well to help it. And then we can also hear why you made the calls. That'd be big, I think for you guys, even though you guys think it wouldn't be good for you, I think it would be good to hear why you made the call that you made

that we never have to actually hear from. I just hope that they get to a point where this ain't going to fucking ruin the league because it can't. Yeah. It really can. Yeah. Even if it's, oh, it's only, it'll only be four games. It's like, okay, playoffs don't get decided by some game that happened week two,

week three, week four, some loss, some string, some fail, merry happens. And it's just completely, like we can't have any of it, especially at this time. It's like we got to make sure we get this right. But it sounds like both sides are ready for war. I don't love that. Yeah, exactly. You can hope as much as we want. But the reality is what you just said at the end.

Like, in the most likely scenario, it does feel like we'll be a year with these reps. Oh, no. Man, I hope it's not that long. That can't be. The three high school reps that don't think they'll ever make it to the NFL. And if they add that rule, though, that the competition committee proposed, like, hey, one year, of a eye in the sky, Gene Stere or calling in when they're obviously wrong, then that would be a great step to, hey, when this does get done, let's keep that ruling

and then help these reps even more. I don't like that either. Honestly, as a player, like, we know it's a tough job. We taught, I think Todd mentioned it how tough the job is, but like these are humans, these are the guys on the field, you know, sometimes it's a field game. You don't want, I wouldn't be a fan of an ABS system. That's even as a DB, so. Well, that's because of past interference with how.

No. guys that goes both ways if you slow down any play down the field it's going to look like passing it's going by frame i remember the year they tried to do that bullshit yeah they were terrible we got to have the best guys out there covering and calling the best product simple full time to got to we would like you to fully focus on this please please please we're fully i mean look at us and we have no outcome power nope we don't need you selling cars No. We don't need any insurance.

No. Give the calls, right. We need to, we need good flags. Yep, great flag. We need the best flags. We need that team USA flag. Yeah. Control.

Exactly. These guys are unbelievable. Yeah. Also, we need these refs have a little moxy, too. You're talking to 50 million people, potentially. You're speaking for the game. Let's make sure that we have things going on in the spring where we're getting better at that. Hey, here's promo class.

Hey, here's a little bit of this. How about we do trust falls? okay together so we build up a little camaraderie little chemistry here then let's talk about it after we fuck up again callus the skin maybe just have someone come in and just berate and yell at these guys and be really mean for them to like an hour also in that session make them scroll through tweets about them yep yeah make them see it exactly make them feel it that's how you get hardened exactly that's how you get hard exactly go grow up a bit this guy got to be shirtless in a cooler that's right yeah yeah exactly this guy's gonna come here he's

going to beat the shit out of you guys for an hour. We got toughing you guys up, harden you up, calce you up. It's going to be okay, though. On the other side, you're going to love it. See, we don't know if all of these will get instituted. But what we think is, it's brainstorming. Can we not all have, you know, we need the refs,

but also we need the refs to want to be the greatest. Like the hockey refs, I like them. I don't know what they got going on over there, but I like them. Have you ever seen the hockey refs? Yes. They are the best. I do like them. I'm starting to, I know they get a bad rap.

but umps in baseball i kind of like the umbs i've been a couple at the airport jordan jordan baker shout out to jorb ump been around for a long time we'll see what is a b sq yeah tb yeah we'll see but look him up please a house walked up to me to the airport i thought i he was like a former coach or maybe a former teammate of mine left tackle huge but yeah i like the cut of those guys okay we're loading a photo right now as we speak on jordan baker uh stats and content he's a 93.9% accuracy right now David's son. Can we get a picture of said Jordan Baker potentially?

Let's do a height weight. I do believe he's probably a house. I'll tell you what, there's one hump out there who's really been getting cooked. And Salvy's been cooking him, I think, on the most. These dudes are going to get exposed. And women, right? There's a woman hump, right? Yeah, she got exposed pretty bad on her first call.

They said it was right down the middle. Literally right down the middle. That would happen to any up, happened to be the woman hump. Yeah. Hasn't happen with anybody else, I guess, with the ABS. But it happened to her. They will all be getting judged. by all of us.

The fact that it's happening in front of 40-some thousand people. It's awesome. I don't know how we got to this point where it's happening, but boy, players and coaches are celebrating mightily here. Yeah. You know, because like in tennis, when they do the Hawkeye thing, and it's, whoa. Yeah, they all clap, waiting for the decision.

The person that's down there making that call, like, not really known. Yeah. Umpires, known. NFL officials, if this was somehow to happen, known. So the entire stadium being able to point and be like, you bum, I had no idea. As it's being shown up there, crazy new added element to the sport. If Salby's going to be seeing this strike center in the way he's been seeing it, I think a lot of these are going to be getting God around the other.

Catchers are seeing it, obviously, because they're in the, they have the best advantage, but they have, catchers have been seen it the best because obviously the pitchers are moving a lot. The batters, it's a tough angle catchers. Or at, like, if the catchers challenge it, it's most likely going to be right. but this this ump for the reds game and uh henio swarres got it back to back pitches where they said he struck out and he challenged it and he absolutely did not strike out but this this ump was the one that took it the worst this guy b b b b bckner c b bckner he can't be c bckner he can't be c bc bc he that's the thing though is like this will probably like he missed a bunch of calls like i assume

that is something where the league will go to him and be like hey we know it like it's not easy but like this can't be happening it just it can't otherwise you know you're you're maybe going to, we're going to have to put you at third base and kind of just stick you down there. I saw some ALCS game of the past. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. From my 2000. Yeah, the Marlins.

He might have been ref in that or ump in that. He might have been the one because it looked like the strikes on that he'd been given out as well. That was awesome. That was when that wasn't a single strike. I saw a three minute video. Not even close. I mean, we're talking like in the middle of the right handed batter box for a left-handed Yeah.

And just immediately to rigging these guys up. Is that Hernandez? Yeah, Levan Hernandez pitching. Legend. One of these, it's a curveball. Yeah. Hey! Ponche!

Look at the Elena Braves guy thinking, oh, there's no way. What? My bat doesn't even reach out. And you can see why guys used to get ejected. Because back then, it's just like, you know, you motherfucker. Are you kidding me? This is 10 feet outside.

But there's nothing they can do about it. And now they can't. And now it's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's get out of here. We're back here tomorrow. If you like tomorrow is going to be a pretty wild day.

I don't think the meetings are, set up as same as today's art. Okay. With that being said, I wonder if we're a lot to drop in the meetings. The meetings? My guess would be no, but maybe. That was going to be my guest, too. You might be able to get in there. Yeah.

I feel like I would like to learn some of the stuff that they're probably. Like if you just walked into a meeting with Big Mike and just kind of sat down in a chair. So me and Foxy walking that way, three different times, they said, I said, maybe it's all out here. So I think there is like a pretty, uh, Yeah, I tried to get into the Nike Gifting Sweet. What did they say? Some are crediting.

No media in here. Damn. So we just go back without her. Could I take that off? I would say also a sign right there must have credentials. To enter. Only credential I got. Paul, it's so confident.

I'm the DC of the Colts. Let me buy. Hey, happy. Happy birthday, buddy. Happy birthday, Tony. Happy birthday, Tom. Thanks, Foxy. They didn't sing in the truck.

Hi, birthday, Tony. Hi, birthday, Tony. Hi, birthday, Tony. birthday, my birthday, dear Tony. A birthday to you. Don't be so. Every dumb, brothers. Nobody else sang back there.

It's bullshit. Well, Bone's still potting. Wow, Bone, tough days. I mean, you took it worse than Coach K. Yeah, he did. Coach K couldn't sleep. You couldn't breathe, basically. I mean, this guy was in a bad spot last night,

potting all over the place. Bone, have you gotten over the fact that Duke's probably never going to do it? Have you seen that list of players? You didn't have anything to say, though. Talk about a frog. That list of players that come through to do. No chips. Fucking sucks me, yo, guys.

That program. Blue blood, huh? Thank you all for setting this up. We'll be back tomorrow. Let's get out of here. Be friends up nice. My change of life, we're listening together.

Team on me. Team on three. He's going to get that officer to law. Come on. Team on you. Come on. Come on, officer. Come on.

There we go. No, no. No. I put it up. Keep it up there. Team team team team. Hell yeah. Team on three.

We'll see tomorrow, everybody. One, two, three. Goodbye. Great work, officer.