The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1525 - LIVE From The NFL League Meetings, with Adam Schefter & Peter Schrager

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

On today's show Pat, Darius Butler, and the boys are LIVE from the NFL Annual League Meetings, where we are covering all the news coming out of the Meetings, including the latest NFL rule changes, international news, free agency, and more. In the first hour, ESPN’s Senior NFL Insider Adam Schefter joins the progrum to talk about the growth of the NFL, the prospect of Deshaun Watson returning as the Cleveland Browns starting quarterback, Michigan basketball going to the Final Four, his experience at League Meetings, and more. In the second hour, NFL Senior Analyst Peter Schrager stops by the stage to talk about the League party last night, the NFL approved rule changes, the ongoing NFL Referee CBA negotiations, and more.  Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN's YouTube (12-3 EDT), ESPN's YouTube (12-3 EDT) or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you & will see you back in the ThunderDome tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. And welcome back to glorious Phoenix, Arizona, the Biltmore Hotel, the home of the league meetings. This glorious Tuesday begins right now. Sports are the greatest, and we're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about them every single day. We're here live at the Biltmore Hotel, which is a... This is pretty up and he's spot. Whoa. We got really nice furnishings.

We got good cottages here. We got good restaurants here. in this place hosted a party last night that was one of the greatest events I've ever gone to, I would say. Every human in the NFL was at this place last night. Most of them having a booze cocktail or two. It was a great time out here. And I would say Indianapolis, the Combine is where a lot of free agency conversations kind of take place. You know, like seeds are planted.

I think for here, the league is kind of pieced together at what happened last night. Yeah. The amount of humans that were together last night, you would never expect. obviously I mentioned yesterday about how I walked into a room over here where all the NFC coaches were talking and it was all the local media was all media people and I walked in and I go oh there's a lot of enemies in here there's a lot of people that everybody's enemies are here that's what I learned last night and it seemed like everybody just kind of put their swords aside and had a good time for football let's get boosted up this has been spectacular we are very grateful and thankful that we are here now granted a lot of the sessions in which they are voting on what the NFL looks like is happening directly during our show so us bringing this whole song and dance out here. Was it the right move? That'll be judged. That'll certainly be judged. But the event we went to last night was certainly worth the trip,

and we are very grateful that we've been welcomed here. A lot of news coming out of this thing. A lot of coaches talking. A lot of people telling the truth. Now, is it the liquid courage that is getting these people to tell the truth? Potentially. I will not name names, but I saw some drinking performances last night, general managers and coaches at this particular hotel that I would put up there as maybe elite.

Elite. And then I saw some people roll into these little press conferences 7.15 a.m. this morning, and I said that's the football difference. That's kind of what we're on here, too. No IVs, not a lot of pediolites. We have not found the electrolytes yet. No. We don't have a lot of sleep running through our soul, but we do know sports are fantastic. The final four is this weekend. Baseball has continued to be electrifying. And the NFL is always alive. It's not just me here. It's a great group of dudes. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt. Conman, the Patriots are represented very well in this particular party. Yesterday, we saw the coach's annual photo.

Yeah. And Mike Vrable won it as we were seeing a setup. Our source says are telling me that he was proud of what he did in that coach's photo where he took both armrests on that plane. And I'll tell you with the white pants, it's hard to miss what he's got going on in that front row. Yeah, you can kind of tell just who's from Ohio, who's from Pennsylvania, just by the photo itself.

You know, look at Big Mike up there. Yeah, Dahlman. Yeah, reeks of Pittsburgh. And so that's kind of the best thing for me. The hotel last night, you said it. I mean, kind of like a John Wick Continental, if you will, where all the assassins go, but they can't kill each other. Very similar to what happened last night.

Everyone goes. I think that's a great way to say. And there's no, there's no beef. It is just, hey, you want a booze cocktail? I want a booze cocktail. Let's just hang out for a little. Now, some people, conversations went left. Some people they went, right?

It was an incredible time overall, though. And you mentioned rapes. I mean, he delivered on all fronts. We can just say right now, the NFL, the league, England in particular is in good hands when Mike Grable is at the home. And I feel like we all had a great time in our own little experience with certain people. And it's fun to hear your guys is tell stories about ours. But I mean, one of the better things, too, was even just catching up with Mike Greenberg this morning.

Yeah. That guy, he's first bowed all of fame. But hell of a night here at the Biltmore, whatever the hell it's called. Ty Schmidt, you were holding court in multiple different cities last night. So each kind of city gathers by themselves. and then there's a little bit of mingling. Tie held court in Green Bay and in Seattle last night. And I'll tell you what, it was an honor to watch.

It was an honor to watch. You put on a performance last night that I think people will be talking about for some time. But on that note, do you learn anything that is relevant to ball or to your fanhood or anything like that from last night's massive booze conversations you were having? You know, you tried to. But those conversations would have been, you would have had to have those within like the first 30 minutes we were there. because really it was after that kind of just, all right, strap in boys were kind of going.

So, you know, you get everybody was boozing. They were. I did not expect. Now, it's a football event. Football people normally good time havers, especially whenever you're not doing ball, which is what everybody in the NFL does all the time. So it was as if you just get like the first sense of freedom.

It felt like what it was last night. And everybody really dove into the freedom. I think it was a lot of celebration of freedom last night. And I didn't expect it. I almost didn't go. Yeah. No, I don't think any of us knew what to expect. Yeah.

And that would have been a mistake. I think a lot of things are happening for the NFL in that meeting. Yeah. In that situation. Oh, yeah. Like, I think there's a lot of good things happening around there. You might have been in the middle of a couple of them. Well, you know,

kudos to the NFL too. Obviously, they're not doing anything second rate. But I think the venue was part of it. You walked out there and it's almost like we were in just like a different world. You know, like it's just so nice. Like Connor mentioned, No one's really trying to, you know, let their beefs be known, even though everyone knows about these things. But then, yeah, when you have the opportunity to just sit down with a GM of one franchise and a head coach of a different franchise and just bullshit for 45 minutes, like you're not getting that opportunity anywhere else.

So that's why, you know, this was so special. Lucky to be here. One half of the Hammer, Don. Cowboys AP 10 is here. We've missed Hammer Don yesterday and today. Obviously, can't wait to see you guys back into Thunderdome tomorrow. Gambling right now. All eyes are on the final four? Are we gumbling on how many catchers dunk in the face of umpires?

It feels like that's going to be the position that is going to be finally getting a one-up on the umps. Can I be betting on how the umps are doing? Because let me tell you, as somebody who is publicly advocated for players having a pipeline into becoming NFL referees, mostly because I think players understand the game, especially if they get to a professional level, where if you were to teach them the ins and outs of being an official, they'd probably be able to figure it out. Since the beginning of time, I assume catchers and umpires have had very interesting relationships.

And catchers, obviously, all day, every day for their entire life have been strike zoning. That's why framing it is so important because they're trying to find what the strike zone is supposed to look like. Now that the catchers can publicly execute the umpire, back to back to back to back to back pitches, wow, what a flip in the entire thing whenever it comes there. can I bet on what catchers are going to beat what umpires because that's not a bad little bet that could potentially come.

And it's almost becoming one of the most electrifying things of baseball. Yes. Everything has been awesome about it. And I know you cannot bet on specifically, you know, what catchers or what umpires are going to be worse or whatever. And, you know, will a team go perfect today on their ABS challenges or whatever? But I am interested to see, like, we get a week or two into this because the catchers statistically have been so much better than, say the batterers or the pitchers or whatever, are the, is it going to be beneficial to maybe unders because they are getting so many more strike calls and less batters on base in like

situations like this? Like if you're going to put a batter on base, no, because an ABS challenge is going to keep them in the box, keep more strikeouts. Will that lead to like more unders in situations like that? I'm very interested to see like once we get some more data on this situation, will the runs, I think the runs would be more affected than anything. I don't know why the crown couldn't be up for me betting on salvage. beaten the hell out of it. What's his name? We'd have to ask.

C.B. Buckner. C.B. Buckner. I don't know if it was him, but, you know, one of these guys. If it's a part of the game and it's regulated by the league. We got to ask the crowd. I don't know how can we get that? Because that would be a good time. Some of these catchers, I think they've been waiting

for this moment, literally their entire life. Oh, yeah. Like, obviously, they're professionals now, but I assume a lot of these guys, the amount of confidence they had its high schoolers, they probably got into it with ums. I would say maybe even like, literally getting it going with us. Well, that's... Now, in front of 40,000 people, they have the opportunity to finally go.

Oh, yeah. Bitch, basically, is what's happening there. Yankees won five for five yesterday. Yeah, and that's a big, that's a big storyline. Storyline, they made the pitch clock to make it faster. Storyline, all the stars played great last season. Storyline, big dumper who hit a walkoff last night. Oh, no.

Is he back? Dump's back. Oh, no, is he back? There's a lot of good storylines. This year's storyline is going to be ABS, and it is going to be what are the ump's real purpose and in this whole thing and the catcher is continuing to dominate them is like problematic i think for refs everywhere if players are you know kind of going to be right for their wanted upsetness so as you know uh i grew up as a catcher and like you're the first

day one you are taught not to show up the um because he's the most important part like yes you can frame but if it's a strike and he misses it you're like you don't make noises don't turn around and show them up because they're sensitive yeah and they're not going to give you calls the rest of the game. But now you can basically do whatever you want because you are the one back there determining whether you're going to challenge these calls or not. You still don't want to show them up because there's a lot of calls that aren't challenged. You're not challenging like the first pitching in a bat or something like that.

I haven't seen anything like that yet. So you still don't want to show them up. It's going to be interesting to catch your hump relationship on how many times they get challenged. Yeah, that's a little bit of a power contrast, you know, because the catchers are now in charge. Yeah. And that is beautifully. Get two ABSs.

If you're right, though, they remain. You can't have 20, if you're right, the entire time. And these umps, little accountability coming very public. See, and this is what was awesome, too. I don't know how much of that will get. But, you know, it was in like the fourth inning and the Yankees had already gotten, you know, five challenges, right? And Boone from the dugout yells like, hey, fucking wake up. Like, let's go.

You know, this is bad. Like, so umpires responding to that and maybe like tossing a manager out for basically just being like, hey, you've been shit all night. Like, that is absolutely going to happen as well. So it's just, it's a whole new. element that is it really has been you know no pun intended it's been a home run thus far oh yeah it has been taking a lap around the basis isn't it the the best part about it is we remember managers you know kicking dust that's all over like little centimeters sometimes yeah

yeah yeah and now the managers and the catchers get to be like just like we've been saying this whole yeah yes and uh that's crazy and ums can still throw them out if they you know are like i don't like your answer yeah exactly exactly yeah it's going to be a beautiful thing good for baseball uh nine year NFL vet derries j butler sure. Deposur. Are the umps kind of life support, though? I'm always pro-human. Look, I want to get the calls right, but I'm pro-unps.

I'm pro-chained gang. Like, I like certain things. Are the umps on their way out of here? Like, why do we need them at this point? That's good question. You still need them. There's going to be plays at the plate. They have other responsibilities, like where they have to go make calls.

So I don't think we'll get to that point. But I'll tell you what, it is, it's putting them all on notice. That's for sure. Ladies and gentlemen, we're live here at the NFL League meetings. And there's one man who's been pounding a pavement. He's been sending the texts. It's been shaking the hands. He's been trying to uncover everything that's going to come out of this league

beating cycle. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN. Adam Schifter. Yay! How are you? How are you? Hey, sir. How are you?

Guys. Jeffty. What's going on? Good to see you. Chef. Always an honor. Do I need that fun? So, yes.

Yes, this is yours. Okay, great. Is it loud or now? It's okay. All good. I don't know. You don't think your microphone is on. No?

Is it not on? I get myself talking in my ear. It's on. Okay, yeah, you sound good. Hey, chefty, how you doing, buddy? It's great to be with you. I always love coming to Arizona. I was thinking I've been coming to these league meetings for 35 years,

and they have a breakfast on Monday and Tuesday with each of the coaches. The NFC, the first day, the AFC the second day. When I was coming to this breakfast back in the day, there were tables of coaches. head coaches that were left unintended. Like, nobody there. Nobody there. Now you walk into that room, you can't even get in there.

It's overflowing with the way. It's like everything else in the NFL. The Combine has grown. Owners meetings have grown. Trapped. Super Bowl is growing. Pre-agency. Everything.

Everything is bigger. Free agency frenzy. Yeah. I mean, everything is its own event. And I think it's because not only is the NFL brilliant at creating events. That's the coach's breakfast this morning. I'm just telling you, when I first started coming to these, there were tables where there might be one or two reporters at the table, maybe.

And then last night's event, all these people were all in a lawn in every GM. That's always been the case. That's unbelievable. That's always been the case. That was an unbelievable event. I had no idea. People had told me about what it was. Did that change your stance on these meetings?

Yeah. Completely. Yeah. Last night was pretty sick. Last night was pretty dope. We were very bummed that we were here yesterday. It was 130 degrees. Wasn't it hot?

Couldn't get into anything. There was no reason. We're staying down the road. Couldn't even get in here. It was like, why are we? This is a bad idea. During our show, they have general sessions where they're voting on actual things. So like McCarthy had to sprint out of a meeting, came through to Bush's to come over here.

Had to sprint out. It was just like, man, it's a waste of time. A lot of people worked their asses off to build this entire thing. Like, it was very nice. But I felt bad idea for us to come all the way out here. I thought. Then last night. We flipped.

We flipped you. Completely. I mean, no offense to anybody else. I was at that thing. Me and D. but we're some of the last out of the building. Yep. Okay, so we were representing the program pretty well.

You beat my son out of there or not? Yeah, we did. I saw your boy leave. I saw your boy leave. He's always down to. He tried to come buy me a drink. He tried to come buy me a drink to make up for the 11th situation. Literally, you know, I already had the tab. But on that note, what is coming out of this place? Because we know Combine is like free agency seed seven. Last night was a very loose event where a lot of people were talking to a lot of people.

How many, like, and Jay Glazer just put out the day drinking head coach thing that he been Tomlin put together 18 years ago. 28 to the 32 coaches went to that yesterday. They were there. Once again, from our source. I was there. Says Schefter included. There was a meeting that they all had to be at at six. Okay.

I was told some of these coaches coming out of this pool, 515, 520, 530. Very low odds of making it to the 6 o'clock thing. I'll say this. There was one I saw yesterday. Yeah. I didn't see him last night. But you tell me

It feels like it's a good vibe, though. Is there a lot of decisions being made here? Is there ideas being made here? Or is this just like a camaraderie thing? Honestly, I think it's a laid-back event. I think everybody's happy to be there. Free agency is such a slog on everybody. And the teams know the next month with the draft

is going to be a brutal process for them. For the mediates, the draft is kind of fun. I mean, there's not a lot of hard news stories. Like, as opposed to free agency, where in the Thunderdome, Trade, trade, signing, signing, boom, boom. This is a different feel. And here, this is a league event. It's everybody coming together. There aren't many times in a year where you get to do that.

Roger Goodell will talk the end of the day today. They have a day of business. We'll probably get the league assist replay approved. For the year? For the year in the event, of course, that there are replacement refs because that hangs over everything. Oh. That was talked about a lot last night. Yeah, I think that's coming.

I will say the year vote, the year assistance or the ref NFL massive blowout happening. That's going to happen. Well, I think all of it's on the table. I think so too, yeah. All of it's on the table. Yeah, the last night, everybody we talked to who was like, hey, this refs thing and they're like,

it's a real deal. Everybody's eyes just get real big. We're not a lot of talk about it. Yeah, because we all lived through the replacement. 2012. Basically, everybody that's in this building, there's not a lot of folks that are like that weren't a part of the league in some fashion. us included.

It was like, hey, that was a nightmare. That was not good. Let alone to fail, Mary, everybody goes to fail Mary, which is worst calling history and an embarrassment. Every single down, there is something that the refs have to do. Yeah. That these replacement reps couldn't do. And now none of the refs that think they can get to the NFL will break the union.

So we're staring down another thing. But we're watching MLB right now. If we got league tech assists happening. Yeah, that's huge. That could be bad for refs long term. So they might be kind of rolling the dice here, Shepty. if you catch what I'm saying. Yeah, well, and that's why there's such a disagreement on the value of what officials should be making.

You're in the officials, I think they do a great job, and I think they're entitled to get whatever they can get, and hopefully the two sides can figure it out. But I go back to 2012. I know everybody remembers the Seattle Green Bay game is the symbolic moment that everybody thinks back. One fails like this, one's like that. I always remember my late great colleague Chris Mortensen coming in or that week hearing about a story that he had, one of the officials who was working a Saints game that weekend, he had on his Facebook page all these pictures of that particular official

wearing Saints gear. Yeah, that cannot happen. I always remember that. You know, Mort uncovered this. I don't remember how he did it, but it was a great job, and it was a wild story. So let's assume everybody understands the refs are going to be a problem. They're in negotiation. Hopefully they both come to an agreement at some reasonable.

Hopefully they're both reasonable. We would like the refs to get paid for what they're good at, which is what some of them are, which is officiating, which is a tough job, but also modern technology, accountability. We'd like a little bit better for the game. Hopefully they're able to meet. Let's move some other stuff that was saying.

Hasam said that Deshawn Watson very much in play, to play for the Cleveland Brown. Shador Sanders, living in Cleveland, working out in Cleveland. Dylan Gabriel, hadn't seen him around Bill now, says Todd Munkin. What is the quarterback situation in Cleveland? And Deshawn Watson returning to Cleveland Brown, I guess, Deshawn Watson arriving as a Cleveland Brown star quarterback could happen this upcoming season? Is that real?

I think that's been one of the least talked about biggest stories going into the season. The fact that DeShon Watson could wind up being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland rounds. I think that's absolutely on the table. I think that it feels like it's moving towards that right now. Now, Todd Monkin comes in and who knows exactly what he's going to do, but they're going to take a look at everybody. Todd Monkin said at breakfast this morning that he hasn't decided, at least publicly, how the quarterback rotation will work out in OTA.

he's going to lean on people who've had experience there. Shador's had some experience. Dylan Gabriel not being there. Like, there's a message there. The fact that he's not there, I think. You know what it is? Yeah, not really through there. Shador's dad is one of the greatest professional athletes of all time.

He said, hey, when you're on a team, you fucking live there. You know, that's what that's it. Yeah, you're a fifth rounder. You probably don't have a lot of say. Remember, he was there before spring workouts. Yeah. Doing charity stuff. It's like he understands what a professional athlete is.

You know, I think Shador, has a very huge head start and all that. Obviously he had a lot more attention because who his dad was, which everybody said, well, I'm only hearing about it because who his dad is like, well, coming alongside that is also a lot of intel that you can potentially learn about being a professional athlete, especially as a fifth round draft pick and I'm going to earn your shit.

So I like to hear the Shador's there in town. I think he's been trying to be the leader in a quarterback of that team since he got there. Deshawn Watson, though, if he's anywhere near when he was a good football player, he was like MVP. Oh, yeah. So good. What was that? A hundred years ago? J.J. Houson.

It would be a wild comeback story. Yes, it would be. Everything that he's come back from, everything. Right? I mean, he's been off the football radar for a couple of years, right? So he's back on the football radar, and he could wind up being the starting quarterback. Yeah, we got Deshawn Doppler here in the football radar.

Then should be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Andrew Barry looks jacked. Will he be jacked about the quarterback decision he has to make? We shall see. Todd Munkin, not a lot of fanfare whenever he got hired as the head coach. Seems like he might be the right guy. And I also say this, they have two first round picks. They're picking, I believe, six and 24.

And I don't think they're going to go quarterback in round one at all. Really? Really? I mean, there's a pro bono. You heard, Mel Kuiper. Well, there's also not really any quarterback. Well, you're not going to do it in six. 24 would be a possibility.

And I don't see it happening right now. What are you talking about? But with the draft class next year, I think it's like, hey, let's figure out what we have this year. And depending on where we all, our next year with the class that 20-07 is supposed to be. Maybe we'll address it. A lot of teams just punting on 2026. Sounds like NBA.

Okay, hope that's not what's happening around here. Go ahead, D-Bud. The team that's not punting on 2026, the L.A. Rams and the receiver in particular, J-S-N, he set the new market with the new wide receiver deal. What are the chances, in your opinion, that Puka gets to that number or above that number? I know he's dealing with some stuff right now. I'm thinking to get figured out.

Big fans of Pook on the field for sure. What's the chance that he gets a new deal with that kind of top? Here's Rocha. I think that his deal, when it gets done, is going to be around there. Okay. I don't know that he's going to beat there. It's interesting because I saw that Jackson, Smith, and Jacob Badele come down. I wonder if Pook was going to beat this.

He spoke to some people, and they're like, mm, going to be tough. It's going to be tough. But he's also, he gets to see the deal. It's there in front of him. So you know what you're trying to beat, and you could always dress up the numbers to beat it. So it's not that hard to do, but talking to some people, they felt like it would be difficult to do in theory. So I would say it'll be around there.

Okay. Okay, Sean McVeigh said something about being also one of the leaders of an organization, everything. He's out in L.A. He's young. His energy is outrageous. He's handsome. He's funny. He's very good at football. Everything he's doing is being talked about. It's like old school TMZ type life. It does feel like I'm watching like in old school when I was in high school, maybe in college, and TMZ was catching everybody doing everything. That's what Pooka Nakua has felt like over the last off season or so. As long as he plays good football, nothing matters, right? If he falls off at all, all of this shit is going to get thrown in his face. He knows that. I think he understands that. And from our understanding, he works his ass off. So I think he's only going to get better and better. I think McVeigh knows that.

But McVeigh bringing up the, hey, you're a leader of an organization, too. That's an interesting thing because obviously they're still trying to figure it all out. Well, if you're going to pay him at that level, you need your highest paid players to be your leaders, to set an example. You can't have them doing some of the things that he's done this also. You just can't do that. Right? So they need him to kind of get with the program, get with being the top paid player that he's going to be. and hopefully he grows into he's a good kid.

Yeah, and during the season, too, when he had the, you know, the Aden Ross situation where he had them at the facility and everything, I'm pretty sure he went out in Seattle and went for like 220 in a touchdown. So he does still deliver to your point about, hey, you've got to still continue to play well. Yeah, he's going to have to, though. I mean, that is going to, as soon as I started tweeting as a punter, I mean, I'm two shanks away for everybody being, oh, Twitter fingers, that's fun. Why don't you punt the football?

And I'm punner. So that's a very low position. Anytime you bring any attention to yourself outside of football and your football slides at all, you're just providing. You're providing, you're providing. He hasn't. He's still very young. He's nowhere near his prime either, which is a scary thing to even think about. Conman has a question for you, though,

Shafty. Yeah, Shafty, yes. Let's stick with the quarterbacks here. Clark Hahn basically said, like, yeah, I don't think we're going to be starting the season now in Seattle because Mahomes might not be ready by then, and there's some concern around that. What is kind of, my homes his timeline at the moment because he tore his ACL, I forget what it was, but there was a video recently 100 days later.

You know, he's throwing the football. Do you expect him to be ready when week one rolls around? Do you know anything? Or is this kind of just waiting? Well, first of all, when Clark Hunt says that, he knows that. So that tells me that the Seahawks are not going to be hosting the Chiefs in that Wednesday opening. The Chiefs will be off the table.

So the league will spare Patrick Bahams and give him the extra time to try to get ready. There was a doctor or team doctor that texted me when was watching Mahomes through the video. He was like, watch the way that he puts his foot down. It's not all there yet. But I wouldn't expect it to be all there yet. And he's not playing now. He's playing in five plus months. To me, when I see that, the doctors may say he's not ready. I say to myself, give this guy five more months, and he's going to be there on opening day.

That's what I expect. This is a guy who, when he dislocated his kneecap, is playing the next week, right? So five more months to come back after this type of surgery, a significant. as that knee injury was, he's coming back from it. I think he'll be back. And Andy Reid, I think, got his knee worked on. He's moving around well. Patrick Mahomes got his knee worked. Everybody in Kansas City. Like, you're in Kansas City. You get your knee fixed this offseason and you're getting ready for the opener, which won't be in Seattle. Whenever we talk about Patrick Mahomes, too, we want to make sure that he's, he remembers. Hey, they're saying your ass, dude. Yeah. I'm saying you're not good.

Who said that? Everybody. He's the man. Sheffer. Sheffey didn't say that. That's Preston, by the way. Lions fan back there. He looks incredible. I think he's staying at the Billmore. That means he's probably somebody.

I think people back here. But Patrick Mahomes, you need to remember this, clip this. Chiefs are dead. Your ass. That is what. Everybody's saying that. You know it. Nobody's talking about Chiefs.

At the party last night, that's everybody else was saying, right? I would like to let it be known. I did not have any conversations about you being asked. Patrick Mahomes here at this party. If somebody would have said that, I would have stopped them immediately and said, excuse me, shut the fuck up.

Nobody at that party's saying that. Nobody at that party's saying that. These people know ball here. Yeah. But on that note, nobody's talking about the chiefs. It's over. Travis Kelsey's coming back for one year deal. That'll be fun.

Okay. Patrick Mahom's coming out of injury. That'll be fun. Maybe they'll be able to get back into battling in the AFC, but nobody's, like, scared of the chief anymore. Pat, they say your ass, Patrick. Good luck out there. Five months to get back. We need him for all games.

We need Patrick Mahomes playing. Yeah. I think he'll be back. How about Daniel Jones? Sounds like he's tracking. Okay, right? That sounds like a different. Don't sound as confident.

That sounds like a hard answer. Different injury. I didn't see the video of him planting. You know, I can't look at the video and say, okay. Mike Garifolo is reporting as Shane Steichen says that Daniel Jones is attacking his rehab. It's the second major injury of Jones's NFL career, which helps him understand a process. Stikin, he's been through so many different things. I don't think anything's going to face it.

That's Shane Stikey? I don't think I've ever seen it without a hat on. Oh, no, Shane. He looks like a president now. He looks 65 years old. Yeah, he does look like a president. Yeah. So you got, wait, you guys in Indy wouldn't have known that that was your head coach without a half.

He's not my head coach. He's not my head coach. Okay. Your head coach. Your head coach. Yeah, I don't like what they did. I don't like what they did. Now, granted, we got to win some.

Where do you guys live? Where do you guys live? I don't live. I don't live. Right down. I live outside in the suburb. I pay taxes for that damn stadium and they ain't one shit. Hey, that much.

Big 10. They won. They won. They just won before you pay your taxes for this. Yeah. What about the. Final four. You're going to be happy down there in Indianapolis? I won't be pissed about the final

four, but I mean, what's the point? Is it the Lod House or is it the, hey, let's cut this thing in half and play basketball? It's the big house this weekend. Oh, the big house is in Ann Arbor, okay? There'll be a lot of Michigan fans down here. Big house in Indy this weekend.

No, it's not the Lidehouse. Our house. No. Yeah, Chef. You're going, Chef. Chef. You're going, Chef. It's our house.

Yeah, Chef, Jeff. Dusty Mae. It's Dusty's house. Now, Chefty, Dusty's from Indiana. Yeah, exactly. You are not doing what you're doing right now. Please. It's Dusty's house.

Is that what all Michigan people are treating this weekend? I'm treating you right now. They've been awesome. Yeah, Michigan teams unbelievable. Maybe the most dominant win. You got Arizona, they're also very good. Michigan favored by one and a half in that. Unbelievable.

Good for you guys. Illinois, obviously, taking on Yukon. Loudhouse, Lucas Oil Stadium will be phenomenal. You are going, right? I don't know yet. Shefty. Five-four. I thought you said you were going.

Michigan, man. I don't know. It's up in the air. First of all, next week, I was supposed to take my daughter on some college visits and kind of planned it to go Monday. Go to I-U-P-U-I. Take her to Bloomington. Yeah, go Jaguars.

That's a good idea. Maybe we were spending my... It's going to Michigan anyways. Well, you know, it's funny. A couple of weeks ago, I was doing a talk at Penn State, and I was showing my daughter of Penn State. So one of my friends at Michigan text was like, what are you doing at Penn State? like she not go to Michigan I'm like if you can promise me

and assure me that she'll get into Michigan we will cease all visits right now but we're like it is such a hard school to get into you have no idea how it's going to work oh yeah such a good school yeah so good make a call chef yeah it's not that simple it's not that simple it calls the morgan town in the Midwest Michigan yeah uh West Virginia let's everybody if your daughter would like to go to West Virginia versus I know some people probably put her on scholarship she's a

a media person, right? burgeoning media person, yes. Okay, so she can get it, she's on scholarship, West Virginia, if she's like a... Wow. Yeah, I have the... I thought... That's huge. Now, on that note, why don't you make a little bit of a donation to Michigan and maybe get the kids in for free? Why don't you do that? Why don't you? I donated yesterday.

Did you really? Yeah. What's your... No, no. It's your time? Actually, there was, we went, my friends and I went to the game this weekend in Chicago, and one of the guys said, you know, you didn't charge the thing. He made a donation to the women's program. So, so we... We did that yesterday. Oh, nice. Yeah.

Which program, just in general? The women's basketball program yesterday. I lost to Texas. Oh. It was a close game, uh. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching.

That was crazy when it happened. Yeah, I was pretty bummed out. Women's basketball. Hockey's in the Frozen Four. Yeah. Men's basketball going to our house, Dusty's house this weekend. All right. Great new football coach.

It's early. Yeah. Great new football coach. Whittingham. He's pretty pissed about $50 million on the roster this year. This is not Michigan's house. Okay. It's the Lodd House in Indiana.

Amplis, Indiana, and it is hosting the Final Four. It is not the Michigan House. It is not Dusty's House. We'd like to let everybody know. Illinois, you need to look out for Illinois. There's a lot of orange. It might be Brad Underwoods. Yeah, especially because Tony Cowell Kids

coming back to his house as well. There's a lot of Indiana representatives here in the Final Four, and they're going to take over that entire place. Yukon, plus one. Michigan has the best odds to win the national championship? Yes, sir. Plus 170. You want to hammer that? Maybe they're underdogs. Aren't they underdogs on Saturday? No, your favorites. By one and a half.

A bit of a pick him, though. Bit of a pick them. Yeah, one and a half is not a lot of points. Yeah, your favorite. You guys have had a dominant run here through March Madness, brother. They've been good. It's a good group of people. You're just thinking about not going to see him play.

Ty is a question for you, Shepard. No, I'd like to go see him play. It's complicated. It's getting there. It's getting tickets. It's all those things. Adam Schifter. Yeah, you're at him.

Fine. We have tickets for you. Make a call. Yeah, I mean, we don't have the Michigan connection that you're allegedly taken over a fucking stadium, but we could probably call somebody at the line. Yeah, we can probably find you a ticket if we need to. Go ahead, Ty. Chefty, just curious, last time you came on, you said that Kurt Cousins was basically, like, he's not just going to go take a one or two million dollar deal to be a backup quarterback

somewhere. Where are we stand on that? I feel like that's the only name I've been seeing is, hey, where's Kirk Cousins going to go? And is he maybe waiting, I don't know, does he think he's going to be a starting quarterback in Pittsburgh potentially or is the idea that hey we kind of know that Rogers is probably going to be going back to Pittsburgh and

eventually here Kurt Cousins he does still want to play and he's just going to go be a backup It does sound like the Rogers thing and Pittsburgh thing is happening. Him and McCarthy are talking every day. Why are they talking every day if he's not going back? It just is not official. It's not contractual. I was told I don't know where they're at. They just

it's Aaron being Aaron, right? What's that means? Hasn't decided. What's that mean? Going through his process. Exactly. He's talking to Big Mike every week. I believe Mike McCarthy said this morning. He was talking to him yesterday. I mean, what are we doing? Right.

You either want to play or don't. He's busy, guys. We know what? Working on. Doing push-ups. You know why? Phone time. Cooking bacon.

That's what he's doing. It is underwear. That's what he's doing. In my kitchen. Do you think he's worried about what's going on in August, September, October right now? No. Can't. How could he?

Now, on that note, I assume he is, actually. And if he is talking to Mike McCarthy every single week, when Mike was sitting here yesterday, I was putting it to him a little bit, you know, because we're pretty comfortable with him. Like, well, why wouldn't he want to play in your offense for one last trip? Because he loves your offense. He goes, conversations you go positively. And then I go.

Everybody here sounds like him. Everybody can imitate him very well. Hintzberg, yeah. He's a good answer. Right? Yeah, it's pretty simple. So you think Aaron playing for the Steelers? Be my guess, yeah.

It seems like, right, right? Why don't you put a tweet out about it? Right now. That's why I say seems and be my guess because we want to keep it like that way. Mark Caboli, who's obviously, the Pittsburgh Steelers correspondent for this program. We saw him last night for the first time this year. Mike McCarthy said he talked to Aaron Rogers last night.

Those two talk more to me and my wife. So it sounds like they're getting tight up. Jeez, Mark. And Caboli, maybe reach out to your wife. Exactly. That's the headline out of there that Mark didn't talk to his wife last night. Not just last night. I think he's just talking about that.

General. Yeah. Mark, open up a conversation with Ms. Caboli. Exactly. Yeah. Geez. Stop eating a mayonnaise sandwich right in front of her face and say hello. Ask her how her days going.

And don't take your business with Ms. Caboli public. Well, we don't know. Maybe they're an next reality TV couple. Mark takes a lot of things public. I would, too. The Koboli's? I'll tell you what.

And then what if he starts working out so he can do what Aaron is doing with his? Yeah, get a PhD. Yeah, there's a chance. Coboli. Knocking boots. They actually already did that show. What's that? They actually already did that show.

Love is brined? No, it was, I believe it was Mahershal or, hmm. Oh, Bob loves Abby Shoehl or whatever. That's a great show. Bill Gardell is. By the way, I didn't answer Ty's question. I think Kurt Cousin is just sitting back and waiting. Whatever opportunity comes his way,

he can be selective and choose. He's made as much money as NFL player. So he doesn't have to rush into anything. Not going to be Mendoza. Back up. Or start. By the way, like Mendos have come in. Maybe. But is you rushing out to Vegas now?

He's got his family. Like, I don't know. Like, he can go when he wants. He can go where he wants. He can play. He can not play. He could Brooke. I don't think he's rushing to anything until he feels like it's the right thing.

Whatever that is. yeah uh chefty kind of a news story that hit the wire that kind of got us all going it feels as though the right lines are the cheap lines now um they asked for money back from frank right i think we got a brand new graphic actually if you would like they sent to it we have a brand new graphic if we could uh pull it up um frank right now basically broke his neck and said no i i still want to play yeah yeah it was all the time and they basically uh it's almost as if they reversed the curse that they reversed, that they're now going to be cursed again. Sheila Ford Hampt brought in a whole new attitude.

That's the Lions. That's the Lions. Who is that? That's not Sheila Fordham. No, it was, I think he made this before the most recent version of you're going to have to give us your money back, even though you certainly outplayed your contract and we are, I guess, not grateful. Jim Ursey gave Andrew Luck $25 million whenever he retired 13 days before. Think about that. Just as a thank you to Andrew Luck.

And I'm not saying that that's how you have to do it. But just the fact that the lions are seemingly still up to their old tricks. What? Why would you do? How normal is this? It's not normal, right? Especially with stars. If they were like bottom half of roster and didn't contribute to city to team,

I think it'd be a little bit more. A broken throat. I was surprised to see that. Me too. Because how much was it? Foxy, did you guys get like a new chair or something? something. Ragna, you know, it was $1,200.

I actually don't even know why I was defending the Lions right here. This is inexcusable. Those are three of the greatest players of my lifetime by far and away. And like you guys said, Ragnow played through so many injuries. And he was here during the greatest era of Lions football in the history of the franchise. I don't care how much it was. It could have been $100 million billion dollars. And we should have gave him the money.

What the hell is going on, Shepty? I know that they're going to, honestly, and Taylor Decker said what? They haven't talked to me. Yeah. That was just, that was like two, two, three months. he's being a little dramatic, we think. I agree. But on that note, it does feel weird the way you guys treat your players, honestly.

Trang now trying to come back. This year. It couldn't pass the physical. Yeah, one hamstring. His other hamstring disappeared. Chefty, inform us a little bit. Why is it as abnormal as we are making it feel here? Because it feels abnormal for your star players to give back money to the team that they've played for.

I don't know how it works every team, but it feels more abnormal than not. I don't think that most teams do that. I'm open to be corrected, but it doesn't sound like teams asked their star players to start giving back money after that. And like, I don't know how this comes out like this. And then other players, you know, I think it was Cawandre Diggs, I believe. Yeah, it was. Chimed in Alton-Zaloney.

Paison, who we know he chimed in basically also burying them. Like, it just looks terrible as a team that we all think, like, hey, if you're trying to resurrect your team, do what the Lions did. Brand new. The Lions. This feels like some same old shit. It does. And I want to know who makes that decision.

Is that actually the owner? Is that actually the president, Rod Wood? That needs to be clear. Sheel for him. Rod Wood's retiring. I wonder if they're going to make him pay back his bones. That's good question, Shafter.

Good call. And thank you for being fair right there. Normally, people in your position would not go to bad for players versus executives or coaches. Players earn all their money. And when they sign that contract, that is supposed to be guaranteed money. If it's guaranteed, why are we guaranteed to give it back? Well, the lion said it's actually our money we gave him for future use. And he's not doing the future use.

So that thing's going to have to come back. It optically looks stupid for a company that is billions and billions of dollars. How big the NFL is. This guy rolled himself out of the hospital bed to try to play football for them because their offensive line sucked this last year. And they ran a physical order like, dude, you're not healthy enough to play. He's all die out there. just let me do it. And then on his way out, after he failed a physical and he will and die,

like, oh, yeah, also, you owe us $5 million. Yeah, cash on it? On the way out, please. It's like, what? Why would you? I don't know why you would do that. It makes no sense. But hey, cutthroat business.

That's what I do. That's their policy. Hey, way to go. You guys are going to need Peyton Manning and a guy from Dom and Dumber to put another job out there. And they're moving Penn and Soule left tackle. Yeah, that's that sort of sounds like. So will he get a new contract?

Are they going to ask for some of the right tackle contract? back and then give them a different left tackle. That's good question. I mean, honestly, we have to start asking me. Any deal with the Lions, if you're a star player, you're going to have to put in there, like, not paying this back. Well, if I remember correctly, when they paid Penn & So they paid them as the highest lineman in general, not right tackle, not left tackle specific.

So I think that's where his contract's at. But you never know these days. You never know what's going to happen with that. I don't like that we're a little hungover maybe, so we're going a little harder than we should on the Lions, but this is disgusting. Disgusting. This is disgusting. I don't like it either, especially because I just met MCDC last night.

It's one of the greatest nights of my life. So I hate that this has to happen. Love his new haircut. It's not his call. Sounds like it's over. It's up. It's not as long. Yeah, I do.

I saw you put out. And we know Chris Ballard likes his guys, that there's a possibility Anthony Richards is still going to be on the Colts. Is there a market for him? Do you see him being on the Colts? What's the latest with that situation of the former number four overall pick? The market for him was soft. If there was a market for him, they would have traded him.

And it didn't materialize. So now you have to ask yourself, okay, is it worth it to deal him where you're like, I'm making himself flipping picks like Richardson and a seven for a six? Like, why are you going to do that? You might as well hold on to the guy. He would obviously like a fresh start and go somewhere where he'd get some reps and work and change the scenery. But you're not just going to give away the former fourth overall pick in the 2023 draft,

unless it makes a little sense. Now, we'll see how the draft materializes. maybe somebody doesn't get somebody, maybe somebody gives up some pick that makes it worth the Colts while, but what they're saying there is we're not going to give them away. I don't think they're expecting a lot, but they're expecting something back,

and nothing is materialized so far. There's not been a team that has been overly interested in getting a deal. Now, I know Green Bay was out there. There was no real conversation. Now, maybe that'll happen and heat back up with the draft, but nothing so far. So did you follow up because you're a journalist with Kevin O'Connell, who gave a full speech

after a game to Anthony Richardson about how big of a dog? is how good he's a football and how yada yada yadi needs to keep going did you did you follow up that tweet saying there's no interest in trading for him with a hey remember this clip from kevin o'connell saying that he would love to coach this guy but the vikings signed kail murray and they signed carson wince to go along with j jim okay well ask kevin o'connell he signs carson wince over anthry richardson uh that's obviously what he preferred that's okay yeah so why don't you on that let's go find him say hey kevin o'cone i thought that he obviously thinks carson wince is a real dog too We love Carson Wentz.

He is a fun experience watching it. He almost died on the field last year for the Vikings. For us. There's a lot of people for the good of sport. Prime time. There's a lot of people, though, that whenever we were talking about Anthony Richardson not playing football well, there are from other teams that were telling me I was the biggest piece of trash and I don't understand what ball is and I don't love blah, blah, blah,

this guy has been available now, right, for nothing, sounds like. It would be minimal. And nobody in the league wants. So that's a couple questions now. injury that happened to him. Is he, do we know enough about the injury? Because it sounded like there was a lot of people that were interested in Anthony Richardson outside of the Colts,

even though us who followed along with the Colts feels like he's never maybe going to hit his ceiling here in Indianapolis for whatever reason, whether it's not understanding what a pro is, not understanding what defense is, maybe people getting hurt, maybe him getting hurt, not getting reps, freak accident happening, and then he comes back seemingly figures it out,

he's taking mental reps doing his whole thing, has no idea what an elementary blitz is, breaks his pinky first season, whenever it was all going. It just like never really got going good. But I heard a lot of other people telling me that they would love to have him on their team. And it's like now it sounds like that's not the case.

Maybe everybody's just posturing. But I want to let you know there was a time. And it's still there, I guess. Or I was a believer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was, look, it is time. We made that.

AR5, you see? We are believers. Ah. Ah. Believe ours. Because I believed in him. And you still are? You're not.

I'm out on him. As a cult. Yeah, sure. I'm out on him. is a cold. I don't think it will ever work at the Colts. Well, anybody worked at the Colts. Well, it seems like no. That's far.

But maybe this year, there is no reason for that. He feels like, no. But the guy fade away 70 yards row. Yeah. Dunk from foul line. I would love if he was the Packers backup quarterback. I mean, legit. Like, there is certainly upside.

So it's like, what was the injury? Was there more to the injury that we maybe didn't hear about? Didn't know. Did people learn more about it? Did they hear more stories? about what's happening behind the scenes. I want to bring that in. Is it just the wrong timing?

Like, there's so much about it. But as one of the most hyped athlete quarterbacks, at least we've been around, especially because he came to our city, it's like the upside is still, I assume, very much there. It's just like, will you ever get? And we've seen all these quarterbacks who have been taken high, come back,

and have resurgent careers elsewhere. So that has to make him even more attractive. True, very true. Yeah. Speaking of, Sam Darnold, hard-knocked with Seattle. It feels like we're going to get a peek behind and the McDonald's Curtin and Sam Darnold. And then, yeah.

And New England, right? The Patriots the year after. First of all, how do they do, like, all of a sudden, hey, the next two years of Hard Knocks are decided? And will that maybe be the new thing? Like, if you play in the Super Bowl, you're going to get... Yeah, you're getting Hard Knocks. I asked that question last night.

How did it come to me? Because we've never seen it two years. And everyone always says, we'll do it next year. We'll do it next year. So they actually held a team's feed to the fire. and say, oh, the Patriot, you'll do it next year? You're in. You're the 20-27 team. So that's why it's two teams and not one,

because everybody always says they'll do it the next year. It's like, yeah, let's get lunch, let's get lunch, let's get lunch, and then you don't get lunch, right? They scheduled lunch for 2027 on hard knocks. Now, let me say this. Mike McDonald, he's awesome. What a great guy. He is going to come across really well.

He is so even killed. I said to him last night at that party. I'm like, how is this Super Bowl win? Has it changed your life? No. You don't feel like a certain puff out your chest here? No. One of the rare people that I've heard say that.

No, no. He's like hasn't changed anything. Just kind of working along. I thought it was interesting because usually... So what I saw him? You talk to people that won a Super Bowl. Like they feel like, you know, they're proud. It carries over for the whole long season.

Yeah. And him? I saw him sitting down. You went over doing when you're sitting down. He was hanging out, had to see a Seahawks hat. You sit down and go, it's up, dude. I feel like he got a little. bigger in a pants because you want to soup?

Actually, I saw him, I said, you look you look bulky, bulky. I said, buffed, buffed. Like, him and Nickster they both, they both cut up, you know, they look good. Seriani people are saying, people were killing. Yeah, they called him a chud, whatever that means. Yeah, I don't know what that means.

I still don't know what that means, but a lot of people saw that tweet. It had a big number. Yeah. I don't know what they were saying, though, Chud. What do you think that? What do you think that is? Let me look it up. The one thing I can think of it, but, Jack. He looks big.

He does. He does look jacked. And he's pies on, you know, so probably eating still. Yeah. You know, honestly, he looks like that. From right here, I don't have my glasses on.

Oh, no. It looks like Dan Campbell. Like, I would guess, who's that? That looks like Dan Campbell. Just a, you know, a rocked up big guy. I mean, Sala, you don't want to be standing by.

Shanahan, good idea. Kind of turning the show. Do you want me to read the Dan Quinn? The Merriam-Webster definition of Chud. What does it say? Uh, Chud is a generalized term of disparagement. Use somewhat synonymous.

honestly with fool, troll, or jerk. Oh, that's not that. I don't look like a, Chud. I never heard that my life. Yeah, I guess because you're not a... When he said, Chud, I was thinking Rob Chisinski. Sure. Brown's great.

Love Chud. Chud. You chase a U to an O, maybe. With an E? Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yeah, I think we all took the trip there together. He said Chode. That's what he said. Okay, so Hard Knocks in Seattle and New England.

Yep. Which is awesome. Hopefully it'll be good. Hard knocks, obviously, very important. August 11th. that starts. Okay, August 11, that starts with Seattle. Obviously, very important to the history of the league, hard knocks, the inside scoop. Now, social media teams are able to do that. So how does Hard Knocks stay relevant? Getting to two Super Bowl teams is a big way to do that.

Because normally they do shit teams, you know, so that's good thing. Super Bowl going to Las Vegas in 2020. You broke that yesterday. That feels like a big deal. Vegas is an incredible. We are fans of Vegas as a hosting city. Are they now just going to get into the L.A., Miami, Vegas. I think New Orleans is Miami has got one in a world. That feels like Miami's getting skipped now. it feels like there's a couple

homes that become like the spot Miami since the COVID like he was right before COVID the chiefs and the Niners that was like COVID was hitting the next day that week so Vegas probably going to become a likely yeah I think I think obviously the league liked experience there the last time and it's going back there pretty quickly

WWE has done WrestleMania there now two years in a row and like it their fans got really pissed whenever it was announced it was back at WrestleMania but I think anybody that went to WrestleMania there was like It was a great setup. It's incredible.

Yeah. It's a great hosting city, especially if you're going to have a good time. You know, like they are built for it. They are ready for it. And it's all very accessible. I think Vegas is a great hosting. Yeah, Nashville. You might keep eyes on Nashville because that new stadium and Nashville is a city.

Nashville, I'll bet get to Super Bowl. As they should. Yeah, multiple. They should start getting into the rotation of the Super Bowl there. By the way, when the draft was there, that was awesome. That was the first big, big, big, big one. That was pretty cool. Yeah, was it $250,000, $250,000?

there's a lot of people up and down Broadway. Yeah, I don't know why they haven't been back. I did the draft pick there for the Colts. You know what? Because there's a lot. Every city wants the draft. So they kind of spread the around. Especially the cold weather ones. Yeah, Pittsburgh definitely. Yeah, because you can't get a Super Bowl.

Buffalo will get it probably because they're not going to get a Super Bowl with their new stadium. Carly Ursay yesterday, Gordon, yesterday said, we got really lucky during the Super Bowl with the weather. Yeah, it's unbelievable. If you actually, like, I know the people of Indiana are like to speak positive about it because how much money comes to town. Please don't say anything else. I'm going to say this.

The weather was, we've never had that since, and we only had the football gods blessed Indiana for that. There was a zip line through the city in February, okay? Yeah, right. It was negative 10 in Indiana this year. Right. Minneapolis, when you guys were... Yeah, exactly.

So, like, Indianapolis got very lucky. And people left saying, like, maybe best Super Bowl, because Al connected everything. Right. It was very small town. But the weather was a huge part of that. New York, New Jersey got it. Remember, it was terrible weather.

Yeah. So then everybody was like, it was a shitty one, because it was hard to get to everywhere. Well, and it's snow, there's a big storm the next morning. Exactly. So the draft has become a great replacement. And Carly-Earset Gordon was like, I heard we got very lucky with the weather.

So we definitely are interested in the draft. And it's like the draft has become a replacement Super Bowl for football towns. I think it's, once again, a brilliant move by the NFL. And it's only going to get bigger. I'm excited to see what Pittsburgh is. Do you know what started? You know, they were at Radio City Musical all those years. And Radio City Musical booked it for an Easter special with their own.

Rockettes. The NFL got up so upset that they said, we're going to take it on the road next year. And they took it to Chicago. The rest is history. It's how great. Yeah, Rodge. The Easter show.

Thank you to the Easter show. Shout out, Rock. The way the Raj, yeah, talked about that was like, yeah, I told her, like, hey, it's the draft. They basically told us they didn't care. It's like, how'd you feel an M. Roger? That's probably the last time that's happening.

Oh, yeah. And by the way, like, when the draft was in New York, it was, you could feel it was nice. But it's not like it is when it goes to these other cities. When it goes to these other cities, it's the biggest thing there is. Like the Pittsburgh public schools are closing. We're going to virtual learning.

Green Bay when they picked a wide receiver. MacGol. Golden. Nice one. I know. And so. Detroit was great. Yeah,

Detroit was great. Detroit was fantastic. D.C. should be pretty. It was good. Everywhere was great. D.C. is going to be beautiful.

It's going to be on the mall. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be. That's going to be. Awesome. That's going to be fantastic. Are you going to bring your politics into the draft when you're out there?

No. Egg says getting picked number one over all. Department of War? Next year he's top of a lot of people's boards. I heard cash is going to try to get himself drafted. Yeah, I could see that. To the NFL. People are not happy with what he did.

No. Lucky thing. They were not happy about it. What did you? Did you report any news on that? Hey, way to keep politics out of sports. Yeah. Thank you, Shepter.

That makes, Jeff. Hey, anything else? Oh, oh. Well, I'll say this. We had long talks. you review the film and study the tape and try to see how you can do better. So Pat and I had a long kind of moment about that,

and we think we can make the show even better than it's been this season. But today, as for anything else going on right now, it's kind of quiet. We're waiting for Roger Goodell. It's kind of quiet. We had a full game plan. I gave him a full speech about, like,

hey, if we don't ask you about something, you're allowed to do the, oh, and also. That is basically what I said. Like, hey, Shepter, you're allowed to do the and also if we don't ask about it. Like, if you think something we should talk about, we would appreciate if you did that. You're like, okay, so like when I ba-b-ba-ba-and-and-and-also.

And also, there isn't much also today. Well, I'm just, I'm sorry. A pro-flag football league, correct? Well, I'll say, and also, and also the NFL is really behind that flag football. Like, the NFL really was. He had to do it. Yeah, I had to introduce.

But is the flag football that, like, is it breaking news? I did see Sean Payton say, that was kind of an embarrassment. I don't think there's going to be any NFL players in the Olympics. He said that this morning. Shreger says, I'll be surprised if there's one NFL player on that team USA flag roster, says Sean Payton. After what he describes as a humbling experience,

coaching the NFL's best and the founders team, in the fanatic super duper flag football deal that saw the NFL players get bamboozled by fanatics and have to play the greatest flag football players of all time on TV. That is that is what I. There's no way the boys were told. Hey, you guys are about to get your dicks kicked. Yeah. There's no way that happened.

No. I will say we're definitely winning the gold. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Little, uh, that's all. Yeah, that guy. Brown Jr. And Hoosh.

Hoos. Hoos. Yeah. And Zada? No, no. No. Deuc. It's, uh, do Cets's, uh, du Cets's nickname.

Hoosh. Okay. He's the, he's the, he's the, he's the, the guy. He's the one. We're definitely winning gold. That's all it matters. He's the one that said he was Barry in the homes. Yeah.

Yeah. And then we all said, shut up, and then turns out they play in a game in the middle of the offseason with Logan, Paul, and I show speed on it. And some retired players who haven't played football in a long time. And those guys certainly did beat the NFL guys. And it was

really prideful moment, watching Team USA just run it up on guys I know and then talk shit. Yeah. I really like that team USA. Luke Keekly's still ice in his knees. That was unfair. Luke Keekly didn't know what he was getting. No, not of the kids.

These guys are getting into. Give them a month, though. Not that any of them will spend a month of their life. Which is a part of the problem. Doing the little flag avoid drills. The elevator? I don't know what they call it, but that is the move. McKenzie needs to learn that stat for whenever she gets into flag football.

All right, so you got nothing else to tell us? Sorry. I wish I did. I thought you had a good performance at that party last thing, Chefty. Especially, I didn't know you're just going up to guys ask them if they're peacocked around now. I didn't know you're doing that. That's good journalism. Oh, yeah.

I appreciate whatever it takes Pat to do the job. You do not drink, right? I mean, every now and then I do, but not often. Yeah, like last night you were watering, I think. Correct. The boy, though, the boy you had out there. Oh, he drinks. Oh, yeah, he drinks for the both of us and then some.

There you go. Yeah, he was having a good time last. He had a good time, which I'm happy. Good lad. It was very nice to meet him in person. Just like we appreciate the hell out of you, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider Michigan man. Adam Schaefter.

Yeah, Shifty. Shifty. Thank you guys. Oh, no, no news, Shifty. You guys gonna win this weekend? I'm joking. No, it's muted. It's muted. All right, see you.

I'm out of here. Thank you, Shfter, you're the best. Genuinely. Shepter's got enemies in this place. What? Who? Yeah, he keeps that dang on. I thought you got a speech last night.

There's no enemies. Oh, shit. Yeah, you're at this thing. That's what I'm saying. Everybody kind of puts their swords. Put the swords away. That's what I'm saying is like, once people start pointing out other wars that, you know,

kind of have a, what's that called, ceasefire. Yeah. At these league meetings, I started thinking to myself, oh, you guys have hate each other a lot longer than I hate all these other people. Yeah. Yeah. I did see him in rap, though. They went forehead to forehead like Dan Hurley and that ref.

On that note, Dan Hurley was going to join the show today. He will not be. Okay. D. Almost add him, though. I saw some people tweeting that they were excited to see his response on a program about him certainly potentially, earn a technical file, but the

ref understanding that he just wanted to hear what he was saying. He was having a moment there. We were excited for that moment as well. We look forward to talking to Coach Dan Hurley. I watched that video a thousand times. How could you not? We called Yukon and said, is this fake? Did he actually do this?

It was non-combative. He just couldn't hear a person. You look at it from that angle. It's like, oh, he was just kind of, I guess, trying to hear him, but he certainly was letting him know, what's on there. Huh? If he would have had his code on normal,

it wouldn't have been a big deal, but he just looks like such a deranged psychopath right there that it's kind of... And then the way he walks away. What's that? What's that? What's you say? Did you see him?

I love the refs saying he didn't remember it after either. What are you talking about? I love it. Even the ref being like, what the hell just happened? That's what I'm saying. I do like that the reps know that, hey,

when you're a ref in a Dan Hurley game, forehead's the worst it gets. That's good ball game. Elite eight buzzer-beater? Okay, fine. Okay, you got ahead. Dan Hurley football. Also, we don't know if that's their handshake.

True. Nobody has been able to clarify that. We're going to ask Dan Hurley. Obviously, we'll hope to talk to him in the future. He's locked in, trying to wait for you. He's locked in. The boys are ready to go. Raylan's a stud.

Carriban's ready to do it. What? Michigan's excited. Bye. So is Illinois. Bye. So is Arizona. Bye.

Back on you the second. Sports. Are fantastic. As is the event that we are currently guests at, We have no idea how we've gotten invited or why we're allowed to be here, but we will tell you that the NFL league meetings happening right here at the Biltmore Hotel in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona, have been spectacular. It's been great to catch up with everybody. There's some news coming out of here.

Biggest one, the refs in the NFL aren't getting along. That is the biggest. At all. That's a constant conversation around football people strictly because we understand how important the officials are. They have a CBA negotiation happening. They always get ugly. Hopefully they're able to get that done. 18 games is coming.

heard some people from my source at the league say, do we need a second buy? Oh, come on. Whoa. Any a second buy? Come on. Than there? Last night?

Wasn't from ballside. Oh, okay. Wasn't from ball side. Okay. Makes sense. Then somebody dropped into like history. Like, you know the last time there was two buys? It's terrible.

Terrible for the game. Maybe do a little research. And I go, it's not going to get past without another buyer week, right? And wouldn't a bye week be another weekend of what's going on? Nick just talked to my ear as well. Hold on. It sounds like there's a little thing going on in the truck there. We're all right?

I think we're good. I think we're good. Are they confirming second buy? That's what I'm saying. I don't know. Literally Nick Meralta just hopped on my ear was like, I think we're good. They were down. You guys on a hot mic?

Oh, yes. I like that. Is that what happened? What happened? I was peeing in a port of John right before the show came back live. What happened? I don't know. You guys said something?

No. I have no idea. Oh, sounds like, uh-oh, boys, sounds like there might be a little bit

of an Arizona Tuesday happening right now. No, exactly what we were talking about so I feel very good about whatever, whatever thoughts that might be going on. Full panic from Nick's,

Knicks' mount in my ear there just a few minutes ago. It was not supposed to go into my right here. I do not believe. They're currently having an anxiety attack in that truck rate back. Oh,

I said to Dibut. I said, UCon is definitely not showing up at the final four. Dave sucks to have to have, and Dibbush. What the hell did we just talk about that first hour.

Likes were hot during the break Oh, good. But I was in a Port-a-John. I'm not ever said short. Talks the tables here at Boston or at Ty Schmitt. One-Hus the Hammer. Cowboys AP Turner is here. Nine-year NFL vet.

Darius J. Butler is here. Did you just bump-rush port-a-johns all the time? Like, you should do. You need to lock the door. I'm not touching anything in there. Butch. I don't know, piss like Koboli with my cheeks. I. Standard Port-a-John etiquette.

Is you let people outside know that you're in there. Have to. you do that is you slide the thing. Yeah. You slide the thing. Go from green to red. Yeah. Not touching. He, green port of John. Only two porthons. Everybody's sprinting over there, especially with how we're living right now. So everybody was

heading to the Port John's. See, Green. Okay, I just run over there. It was laid over here. Obviously. Excite to see it. Run over the pool of thing. Head down, shoulder in deep, but while he's peeing. He peeing. He's in a urinal on the left side here, too. So I literally, I'll go in and he goes,

whoa, shot up. And I'm like, what are you even doing? Feel something on your foot? And I say, you got to lock this thing. I'm not touching that thing. It's like, we just had a full memory where I'm a spearge in here. Like I'm Roman Rains because you didn't.

You never do that? No. But you have to expect that to happen then. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's the mayor here, alongside Jay Glazer. A man who is the only person that kind of told us what schedule was.

Yeah. A man who took care of us, incredibly well. He invited us to eat Mr. Chris Bianca's pizza the other night. He is living, in front of the program Emmy Award winner, ladies and gentlemen, Pierce Schrager.

Pierre Schrager. Go, Shregers. Hey, baby, Shregs. Hey, good to see you, dude. Thank you for joining us again. Yesterday got caught off a little bit. I'll tell you, I got good news for today. We need all your stuff.

None of my time. Yeah, we do. Can I tell you? I know you spoke to Adam for a while, but gosh, I loved seeing you boys last night at that event. You were killing it, Shreggs. Shreg, you spoke glowingly of that event.

numerous times. I think it was an incredible event last night. It was nice to see everybody. It was crazy that the amount of people that were super comfortable in there last night, like GMs, head coaches, ownership groups, I mean, all in there having a good time. It was special.

It felt like it was a good thing for the league last night. And we appreciate you kind of guiding us through all of it, literally, because we have no other information about any of this stuff around you. 100%. I wanted you guys all to experience a different side of the NFL

where everyone's guard is down a little bit. It only happens this week, really, because all 32 teams we're done with free agency, we're heading towards the draft, but we're not close enough to the draft where it's secret season. All their families are here

and the drinks are flowing. And we should give out some awards, I think. Okay, let's do. We like to do that. We don't know what all we're allowed to say. What I let off the show was saying was I watched some people in there last night that I did not expect.

Really tie one on. I thought this was a fight club situation. You're not allowed to talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, but how are we not supposed to? No, no. I mean names. We didn't mention any. No, I know. If you'd like to give us some awards, I think you

potentially, me and DeBott would like an award alongside D-Bone and Gumpy. We were one of the last five people were you really? Yeah, we were one of the last. So I left it off the roster spot. I left it. What's that? DeBone got off of the roster spot. What team? Dallas Cowboys. Come on. Oh, yeah, not supposed to say. There's a chance

D-Bone is going to have a workout for the Dallas Cowan. Anything you want to. I will say, immediately upon it coming out of Shottie's mouth to D-Bone, I said, He's got thin feet and this guy doesn't have a lot of discipline. You don't want that. And then he rescinded the offer. But there was a moment in time. And I'm happy for him because I swear I saw him Sunday after Duke lost and he was about to walk into traffic.

I mean, this guy has really had. Yeah, he has. He's had a little bit of an Arizona whirlwind, I would say, throughout this entirety. But yeah, Shottie, Shardie did a point at him. I like your body. No. It was actually the complete opposite. It was just me.

I was trying to get him back into shape. That was the nomination. I asked Shottie to ask how old he was or guess how old he was. I think Shottie said like 45 or something. Yeah. Golf pro. He's 26. He had polo tucked in. I mean it was a bad time. And then he said, how old are you

26? And we said, he's a national champion. And Shottie goes, you want to play for the Dallas Cowboys? That story. And the bone gets like so excited and I'm like you don't want that. And then he goes in a fool like, yeah, it could be motivation to get this guy best version of himself and they ever sent to the offer. And Deep Ben, welcome. We get back

to the hotel last night. For God, but Do you remember this? Yes. Air strike. Air strike McDonald's. Yeah. We get back to the lobby. I don't know, two, whatever time it is.

We were late. We were late late. I mean, it was very late when we get in here. We walk in here. He has somebody that works at our hotel waiting on him with a McDonald's bag. Mr. Murphy? Right in front of him. Would you like to know how that ended?

He told me. Fell asleep with fries in his hand. Yeah. 26, bone. Tighten up. Not to rub it in. He called for an airstrike for McDonald's. Every single day we were in Arizona.

I heard the exact same thing. Two previous days. I had to get McDonald's late night because nothing was open. There was a lady holding it like this. He walked right in, walked up there. Seamless. Right to the other. I'm like, what are you doing?

To be fair, he sleeps better when there's loose fries in the bed. All right. Let's move along. The awards, I can say, though, it's like, I'm not saying this drunkest person. It's maybe the most gregarious. Maybe the person that surprised you the most. Maybe it's the person that, you know, you didn't think necessarily would be a warm reception

in that you got. I'm going to say the MVP every year, and it's not because of the drinking consumption, just the friendliness and the charismatic. John Schneider, the GM of the Seahawks, is the winner always. I would agree. He's the most secure in his job.

He's the most successful at his job, and he's also the nicest guy and has stories galore, and he can hang. So did you happen to see Ty was with Schneider and McCarthy last night for, I don't know, hour and 45 minutes, and Mrs. Schneider, I do believe. Hell Tracy. Hello.

So you could see that Ty was doing the, one more. He was walking back with four drinks, okay, every single time. He was, like 50 yards away from us. Snyder was our MVP. We were watching, yeah. Schneider was big for our group as well. Ty was over there with him a long time. I got to tell his tie story.

I told him. Schneider had a beer in his pocket. He did open beer in his pocket while he was drinking. That was phenomenal. Fight club, we don't want to give way too much. That's a good move. You need to know that that's happening. He's off.

Yeah, he is. Incredible. And he's also going to go down as one of the goats. He's built two Super Bowl champions. With completely different rosters. Exactly, yeah. And he's a human. And he's the man.

Yeah, which is a really cool thing. The league, you could see how special some people that are running the league are last night. Yeah, charismatic is a good word. And there are some people that are just magnets at these events. And everyone just goes to them, like, flies on, you know what? And it's, you have a few of those. What my favorite moment was, and I told this to tie just a second ago, we're all having fun, whatever.

And then I think Zito pulled me over and is like, look at how happy ties. He was sitting with Rob Domowski and Matt Schneiderman and the three beat reporters from the Packers. And he was holding court with the Greek guys. And I'm like, this is the happiest. So Schneiderman over there. Who else was over there? Yeah, Wes Hodkowitz. It works for the Packers.

And then obviously Bob Domovsky, yeah, the godfather. Shragues, I were saying he was holding court with Green Bay. And then he went to Seattle at one point. Buffalo, a bit of Buffalo. Those guys were up front. That was a good little run. Joe Buck also had a nice little. Good to see Joe.

I mean, all the Greg Olson and folks were, Greg Olson. Yeah, G. Reg. Greg. Greg. Greg. Yeah.

Gen. Bloss. A lot over the place. A lot of him. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I don't know. It's accurate though.

He's got just disgusting, like meat sweats and meat stains all over him. And I look at him like, we can literally go right to my hotel. We can get you a new shirt, whatever. He goes, party starts at seven. Let's go, bro. He was in. Just floppy hair everywhere. He seems to be the least maintenance person.

I love at his profession and how good he is. I mean, remember, that was a big story going into the year. Tom Brady's taking his spot. That's bullshit. I think everybody still feels that way, but we're all just kind of waiting to see where Greg Olson ends up. I think everybody likes Greg. Yeah.

I think Greg needs a prime time. He does. He used to be on a primetime game every week. He is one of the best in the business when it comes to color commentate. Not saying it's a former team. He's obviously awesome whenever you run into him. The same guy, like you said, at least maintenance, but he is great on the mic. Fitz and Witt were there last night, as was Kaylee Hartung, the whole Amazon.

She's awesome. Yeah, that was great. That was a cool group over there. Troy, do you have any time with Troy? Troy was amazing last. Troy Aikman? Yeah. No.

He was, I don't know how we are with Troy. I'm really. No, I think he's. Yeah. I like him. Troy's great. I was a Joe Buck for a long time. Buck's the best.

We were half the booth last night. Troy never comes on our show. then Rich Eisen's first day on ESPN at noon. He's on the show. So Troy always tells us, can't do it at noon. Sorry, it's impossible. First day, Rich is on.

Troy's like, give me on that fucking. So I won't take it as a personal heat, but I do not know. We don't know Troy like that. On that note, Joe Bach was legendary. Yeah.

He's called six Super Bowl. Is this about to be a seventh Super Bowl? He's outrageously talented. And it has a story for literally every. Everything, every person. Yeah, he was phenomenal. Burke, I think, did a great job at this thing last night. Burke, Magnus.

This used to be his gig. Yep. these types of events. He might be the best in the history at these types of events. And he was. He was put on an absolute show. It was good to see everybody, man.

It was fun. Jay Glazer. Jay Glazer. Great. Let me tell you about Glaze's event last night. Not best. Yesterday. So he takes great pride in this.

I worked with Jay for many years at Fox. Two of us have a very good relationship, even though I am now playing for the other squad, right? Glaze every year takes great pride in that on Monday from one to three at the annual league. meetings. He tries to get as many coaches as he can for a heavy drinking session, hang session,

all that stuff, right? And here it is. Jay got 18 of 32 coaches. 28. 28. Sorry, 28. Brut Michael Phelps. Brut Mark Kerr, I believe, the smashing machine. Sure. Shout out to

my favorite guy, Dwayne Johnson, and he played that well. I'm not really a huge way. I don't know him at all. Anyway, it's fine. I think he is the man, though. I think you can say that. I think he won't right into I like Emily Blunt. She was fantastic in that movie. And I think Rock and Emily Blunt

are kind of in a lot of. Yeah, they've been in a few. Yeah, Dwayne's the man. I think you should not feel bad about complimenting Duane. It's pretty good. People attacking him for the hair thing, the live action Moana. It's like it's the rock, dude. And that's how Maui looks. Yeah, it's what character calls for. Yeah, he's, he is Maui.

You're okay, compliment. So Jay's thing, I was just like, enough with the Rock, I don't know. Jay's... Papatouis is so good. Popatoo, he's awesome. Zoa. Yeah, Taramana. Right. Yeah. Manah. Uh, Oush. Yeah.

What do we think of a live Moana? I'm excited for it. The Rock's going to kill it. They better amp up the colors. Let me tell you about the live Moana. I can go on and on. I can explain to every natural phenomenon. You know the song. The guy, there's a guy named Bo Flynn. I sat next to on a plane and he's one of the producers of this movie. He was telling me they found a girl to play the role who has never

done, like a bit, and she won out of like an open audition. and it's one of the great, like, Hollywood. So I am rooting for this girl. I don't know her name, but, like, she's going to be Moana, and she's never done any of this stuff before. And we would like to say the Rock needs one on a scoreboard as well. We would like this to do very well. It'll make a billion dollars.

The Mark Smashing. Smash machine. Didn't do as well. That does not mean the guy's not an absolute legend. Critical got very, like, I think it's a Safty Brother film. Like, the critical reception was fantastic. On that note, box off the dude was there yesterday with Michael Phelps and 28 coaches with Jay Glazer.

So they're all there drinking. It leads into the whole thing. But the big question mark was, will Mike Tomlin show up? Because Tomlin and Glazer started this thing 18 years ago. So I was thinking maybe, maybe Tomlin comes from wherever he's been, watching his daughter doing gymnastics, almost like with the American flag, like Rogers out of the tunnel.

And he shows up, he's like, let's go. Tomlin did not show up. So 28 of 32, and we were hoping for an emeritus role from Tomlin, but Tomlin has not been seen at the league. Okay, yeah, we have not seen him. We would have tried to find him. We did see all the Steelers were there last time. Mike McCarthy, also MVP, at this thing.

He was one of the four. I do believe they were not at Jay Glazer's thing. Now, Jay Glazer told us, Mike's normally there. As what he said, Mike was in the middle potentially talking to... I heard he was in some meetings. He's potentially actually talking to the quarterback.

So he could be doing two things at once here. He got these, but he could also be working very hard on acquiring something. Hey, you got to put your mic up on your mouth. You want an Emmy. Not bad. Yeah. Sorry, when he gave one of these.

Yeah, we do not want you to hold back from doing the... Yeah. So you continue to... I'm trying to bring the juice. And if I do that, I lose my microphone. Thank you for backing me up, guys. Yeah, no, probably. You've got a handheld here, too.

So if you get two... You just go ahead and grab it. Go ahead. Ty has a question for you, Shregg. So how much... We asked Shepty this. Like, how much actually gets done last night? Like, are guys actually talking about stuff?

Like, what is your kind of... Combine is where things... Or you're getting your nuggets because free agency is coming up. So it's like, all right, which agents met with which teams. And we've now narrowed down, you know, Kenneth Walker. I knew at the Combine was likely going to be a Kansas City Chief based on the conversations that we're having. And it's not legal tampering. It's like, all right, what's the roster composition?

Who's there? And what do they need? And what are the chiefs focusing on? Whatever. This is the one week where it's really laid back. So what your best bet is, if you're someone like me, is build a relationship. Go up to someone you might not know that well. I personally had no relationship with Brian Schottenheimer before yesterday.

I went up to him. We had a coffee. We did NFL live. We talked for 20 minutes. have his number. Now Brian Schottonheim are someone that I can go up to and have a cool congrats. Yeah, that was a big win. No, but you do that. Shot is awesome. And it's that. It's that. It's that times 32. It's, you're talking just now, just talking to Mandy Shanahan, Kyle's wife, who I've met before, but we're just having a casual

conversation, whatever. Kyle comes about. We talk. It's more about relationships and getting those contacts and saying, hey, okay, we are humans. We are working together here. I'm here if you need me. I also will be reporting the news, but there's a face behind the tweets. And I understand you guys, you know, however I can help you, but also vice versa. Let's talk and let's have an open dialogue. So this is where that really is established. Yeah, it's a good, it's good for the league. This is very good for the league.

I was kind of out on it. I thought it was all a bunch of bullshit. And then last night I saw how in everybody was. Yeah. Mark Davis is sitting four feet away. Yeah. I mean, just sitting there smoking a cigar. Turn to look at him.

Holy shit. Nice to see you, man. Hey, good to see you guys. Just so happy. Same by himself. I'm like, you've been coming to these your whole life. Yeah, these are really good. And then I asked him, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this out of this,

because that's all off the record in there. According to source says that were sitting very close to me last night, I don't think he's getting out of ownership. Just, I don't know if that's breaking news or not, but there was a bunch of things being said that he was going to get run out, basically. From my understanding, I don't think that's going to be the case. No, no. I don't think it's an opposite.

I think it is. See you guys in the next 30. Yeah. Yeah, he was electrifying. He's the best. Yeah, he is... He's a character. There's also a thing about this where, like...

Vibes. Characters are welcome in this. This guy's vibes. You know, like, characters. Yes. So, like, Todd Munkin is a character. Like, I was talking to him for him, like, character. And, like, that's...

Maybe some of these guys don't have nine to five jobs at the accounting firm. There's a place for them in the NFL. If you can coach, if you can own, if you can talk, if you can be a... Everyone's so different and so unique. And yet the melting pot is this league and the love for the game in the past. It's cool to see everyone intersect. I wanted to be in Mark Davis's aura there, basically. Sure.

Just huge smile. Mm-hmm. Just a huge smile on his face. Just a huge smile. Just sitting there by himself, just smoking a cigar, smiling. Fitz walks over. Hey, how you doing? Good to see you.

That's a big smile. He goes, yeah, I'm just happy, man. And I turned to Debutt. Mark Davis just said he's just happy. And Debaughbuck goes, well, why wouldn't he? Yeah. We did a full cheers to him. He was not drinking.

He was just smoking a cigar, but we did a fool like, good for you, dude. And that was just like a casual four minutes last night. It's outrageous that we went up there. Deben has a question. I enjoyed it, Mike. You just brought up Todd Mock, you know, and obviously we talked about Deshaun Watson, what Jimmy Hasam, the owner and said,

Shador has been in the building, new number, shout out Shador. But if you had to place a bet right now, week one, who's Todd Munk is starting? Oh, I was just saying with him at the coach's breakfast, and I was listening to every word. So Deshaun Watson, he has spoken to, but Watson, I don't think, has been around as much.

And then Shador has been there every single day. then Dylan Gabriel has not been there. And they can't play football yet, but they can all be in the building and work out and everything. So if I was to put a bet right now, I would say Shador is likely in the lead spot just on the fact that he finished off last year and has been in the building and all that. But they are hoping that, yeah, Deshaun Watson's on the roster that this guy can actually compete for the job. I don't envision them taking quarterback at six. And despite him knowing Ty Simpson very well, because he knows Ty's dad, Jason Simpson from their college days, I don't think quarterback in the first round for the Cleveland Brown.

Okay, I think everybody's kind of saying that that has information. We'll see how it all goes. Obviously, all you need is one person to change their mind on a very important night to make a decision on draft night that kind of changes it. Deshawn Watson playing football again, good for the Browns. Would be a little trip of nostalgia back whenever ball was ball. Let's go back when ball was ball and the fanatics flag football game. You kind of alluded to this.

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, you did, Triggs. When you talked to us about Odell and his comeback, and then I saw a report from a guy who I believe is real, Dan Duggan, about O'Dell being here yesterday because he's in Arizona potentially meeting with the Giants yesterday. Is that the latest news on the potential return of O'Dell to the New York Giants? He was spotted at this hotel, as Dan has that.

I can't tell you how a legitimate spot would be, but having spoken with giant sources after that breakfast, Harbaugh was completely over the moon about O'Dell, I wouldn't close that door at all. It has to make sense. Look, not only do they need a receiver, And not only does O'Dell want to be back in the NFL, and I think the Giants would be a great place,

there's still a lot of love for O'Dell Beckham in that Giants organization, ownership on down. So when they were having their O'Dell Moment in 2013, 2014, and he was doing the one-handed catches, it was a really cool time for the Giants fans. And I would tell you that there is a lot of love from the highest levels for O'Dell Beckham. Okay, let's go to the truck,

a man who's a diehard Giants fan, who while you were talking about, you know, the O'Dell Beckham Jr. Love over there in New York and as a Giants fan. I believe a man who is potentially walking these grounds yesterday and maybe had eyes on the situation.

Also, a guy would love to see this happen alongside Malik neighbors, Jackson Dark, and why not have foe foe in the back dough there with Scatibu? Bruce Brown, your thoughts on how this is all kind of playing out? He texted me to, and he said, Shreg kind of alluded to this yesterday. Just Bruce would like to... Okay.

Bruce would like it feels like. And he was in my ear while Shraggs was talking there, saying, hey, I can only... so legitimize this. Bruce, if you would like to double down or add anything on the Giants beat that you saw last night? Yeah, I'm actually pretty confident that I am the one who spotted it.

Okay, of course. And it said, holy shit, I can't believe that's going on right now. What did I say? I said, it could happen, I think, and then it was confirmed. Yeah, that's it. That's the source. That's good reporting. Jordan Rennon. We met him yesterday. Yeah. He looks very cool. Yeah. This guy walked onto this 120-degree

Astro turf, or I'm sorry, Astroterterterter cement here. He had suit. The hair was perfect. Walked up. We appreciate him. Christopher Maltesan. Yeah. I love his tweets.

Jordan's a good man. Good man. Good man. He had good energy. Bruce, though, as soon as you saw him, so excited about his life. He felt a little tingle everywhere. You know, he walks right up to him and starts chatting with him.

The OBJ thing feels like he's going to be a giant. When would OBJ want to do that? And when would Harbaugh want that? Oh, I think OBJ would be down to do it tomorrow if it's possible. I think the giants are waiting out and seeing how things are going. They're not in any rush, but I think there is mutual interest. I'll say that. Okay.

I love to hear that. Storylines continue to brew out here in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona for the number one league in the world. Conman has a question for you, Shrek. Yeah, Shragge, you mentioned the Shannahan's earlier, so I'll ask you about what Kyle mentioned about how, hey, we got to go 19 hours to Australia, basically travel in time,

whether that's forward or back up to you. Hey, is there anything positive about that, coach? As of right now, no. It feels like my entire team's going to be screwed for a month after this entire thing. What is kind of the vibe? Is that the vibe right now? with the entire game.

And then also I want to ask you the Trent Williams situation. That quietly feels like it's massive, but it's just kind of at bay right now because no one's really wants to pay them or make a huge trade for Trent Williams. Where are they out with that? Let's start with the international piece. It's not going anywhere.

If the NFL has told us anything over the last three days, flag football and international are their two biggest priorities. And they want to really expand. And with the international piece, the Australia thing, they have now changed the date to the state, to the start of the NFL season from Thursday to now Wednesday and that's when the Seahawks are going to play.

Then the Rams and 49ers are going to play on Thursday, which is not traditional. And if you're the 49ers, say, okay, I understand the league has these initiatives. This is a lot. And they're going a week early to go prepare for this game so their sleep and their bodies can all be adjusted.

That's a lot. That's also a divisional rival. It's a huge game when you play the Rams. Talk to the Rams guys. They haven't decided what they're going to do. Traditionally, when they go to London, they usually just fly writing. Stick with it. There's a yellow cap that you showed up in.

No more. There's billionaires everywhere. A yellow cap to show. Sorry. Go ahead, Shriggs. The Rams, when they go to London last year, they flew in, they flew out. And they're like, we're not doing the whole song and dance. We're coming in here and I'm going to see us.

We're going to be like ghosts. We're going to come in out. You can't do that with Australia. So this initiative for the league is enormous. And yet the coaches are feeling a little unfiltered here. And Kyle Shanhan, saying from a football perspective, this is obviously not ideal. They're playing at 1035 in the morning. Melbourne, Australia.

Yeah, to start the season like that, feels like you're going to be catching up. That's crazy. The Chiefs last year, and it wasn't complaints, but they said, you know, going to Brazil, and then the Packers the year before that, going to Brazil to start to, it's not ideal.

I understand the league has their initiatives, and we're going to do this, and it's what we want. We want to expand the game. But from a strictly football standpoint, you want one o'clock Eastern on a Sunday. Everybody's got to just deal with it. It is.

It's it. And the game will continue to grow, you know, because Australia will like our, sport. Now granted, 10.35 a.m. I'm excited to see how much they like our sport. It's a huge game to send to Australia. Massive. It's an enormous

game. I don't want to see a championship preview. Exactly. And I don't want to say anything about the Jags. Okay? Because we love where the Jags are. He feels like it is the brand new Jaggs for you. William Cohen's a dog. We love Stoner. The Kahn family has done their entire thing. But London for a long time was

Jags who can't sell out their stadium. Yeah. Send that shit to England. They own a soccer team over there too, so they know they lay of the over there, send them to England. They were going to become England's team. That was almost like the initiative. This is a gigantic game just to send all the way to Australia for the first time. Granted, Australia has contributed to the NFL numerous times, especially with the punting

techniques that are all over the place, let on the actual Australians that have been punting. I think there's an Aussie baseball player that's very good. I think there's Jordan Maelotta. Offense alignment is very good. So it's like the Australian body type is good for American football. I think they would, especially the pun, everything. I think their game catching, like once guys start getting into the football thing. I think it's only going to continue to grow in Australia.

But man, the timing is difficult. And to send two top teams down there to begin the season, they're opening up for a lot of people to be pissed off about the teams playing like shit afterwards. Granted, if they defeat it, though, because if you fall asleep and wake up in the morning in Australia, technically in your life, you should just wake up on pace. I assume they have a bunch of science for it and I did this last offseason. It's going to say you went, right? It took me three, four days to like feel like I was.

They're going a full week ahead of time. Yeah, so I think they should be good, especially professional athletes, but it's crazy to put our two, these are two. And those are what I would say, crown jewel franchises. And I think that's what they're saying to Australia that was like, hey, we respect. Yeah, we are. We're not just going to give you a Jags, Browns or, you know, whatever.

No insult to those teams. Like we think, and I think it's going to grow. I think it's going to be good for the game, ultimately with Cal said the game, I guess, we're spreading. Other than I have no idea any positives. And he didn't deliver it that way. But that's probably... I'll tell you, they had meetings in there yesterday.

And I'm not privileged enough to be in those meetings. They're just for the owners and the people on the committees. When I tell you that this flag, and you mentioned with Adam that this tomorrow sports or whatever the company that does, TGL is doing a professional flag football league, that is going to be a massive initiative for this league to get behind it. Oh, stop. So it was a It's a very big initiative

to now have a piece in a professional football league that the NFL is very behind with equity partners that are, you know, the private equity that are the temperate,

whatever it is. And then international is massive. And so we're going to flip over every stone. Everybody can play too. Pads, helmet,

the whole thing. Women, men. Some of these. Yeah, women, not as easy in some places if you don't have the full foundation academy kind of coming through it.

Flag's just so easy. easy. Flags are just so easy to get everywhere. Seven on seven, don't need a full. 11 on 11. You can do five on five. Obviously, you can do four on four. I love the flag initiative. Now, I don't think we should be just acting like it is football, though. I think we learned that with a difference.

I think it is great for football. It is incredible for football. I saw you use my quote from Peyton. I sat at his table for the breakfast, and Sean was preparing for like two weeks for that game, and thought that he had a playbook and he was ready. And he's a lunatic.

and didn't want to lose. And he's like, it was a very humbling experience. Did the players think they were going to beat those guys? Yes. Bamboos. Even with like the retired guys and Logan. Yes. Luke Keekely said, you know what?

We're going to be okay. Who told them they're going to be okay? Fanatics. Definitely. Yeah. I assume they weren't doing it to get their ass kicked on national television. That's what I'm saying. I think there had to be a bamboozling that took place.

These guys actually thought they were going to win, right? Yes. And Peyton treated it seriously. Brady treated it very seriously. these guys were like, they were, and he said it was a humbling experience. And then, you know, I said it. He said, I would be shocked if we have an NFL player on this team USA in 2028. It's a different sport.

I don't think our guys are going to want to do it. No. Burrow, I'm told, and this isn't from Sean, this is from people who are. Burrow, I'm told, is hell bent. He wants this, he wants to win an Olympic. He got tackled three times in the flag. Burrow ain't push. Yeah, so we're happy about that.

But also, he's a player. But I don't know if he has the elevator six floor to second floor. No. Back up to the seventh floor, down to the first. The question is, and it's, you know, I talked to Olson for a while who called the game. And I was talking, he said, and now the question is, if you say Kyler Murray, who would be great at flag football, like, run? Can you commit, would you be willing after the season to give us, like, a month of hardcore training? No.

It's tough to ask these guys in the off season, you know, like, hey, you're going to commit to this? Because Hoosh Doucette has been training his whole life for this. And it's a different sport. Not damn right. And Hoosh got that dog. Are you kind of a Hoosh duet guy? Sounds like, well, I'm just saying like, hey, if we want to win a gold, like we don't need Joe Burrow being the quarterback of our team. We need fucking Hoosh and no one else.

We'll see it. We're talking about Hoosette here. Not some guy. Yeah. So he's not just a full-time quarterback. As you know, Joe could be on team and Hoos Jusette could be on team. He also plays slot wide receiver. I don't need Hoosh catching balls.

I need Hoosh dropping dimes and pulling flags. The thing that Olson said was maybe the most surprising for them. the players, because he spoke to him, and Greg was like, I think they thought they were going to, like, throw the ball, and it was going to be like, hey, three-step drop, pass. It's a lot of laterals. It's all sorts of different movement. Yeah, we don't know the rules.

You don't even know. If you don't have a group. Tom Brady's going three-step drop, look at, like, I would just like to say, because what flag football did in Indianapolis, did they do the World Championship or something in Indianapolis? On the NFL Network. Yes. We, I wasn't watched.

Did you go? I wouldn't watch. It was at Butler. So I went and watched this thing. And it was very, and I did not grow up in the flag football era. We did not have flag football. We didn't have it in my town either. I'm happy it exists now.

Trying to get sanctioned as school sport in high schools for women and girls and men and everything like that. But which it should. I was part of a commercial, yeah, scholarship. We think it's great. We love it. I did not grow up in knowing what flag football was, though. I don't really understand it as much. So I went and watched that thing at Butler.

And I was like, that little doop-de-do move. Like that is the game. How can you learn that quick? And if you notice, they would do a dump down to Saquan and it was the flag guy, the flag right away. Immediately. I couldn't right away. Yes.

And then when they would get it. But Keekly had to tackle. Yes. And then there was a couple moments where the NFL guys were like, about sick of these little punks. And then there was a couple extra contact. And it's like, well, that's a penalty actually. It's like, well, what are we supposed to do?

Grab the flag. It's impossible. They've been doing it for years. Yeah. I thought if the boys knew they were playing a team USA, we did not know they were playing the good guys. No, I didn't. I thought it was cobras versus vipers.

Yeah, exactly. We thought, that's what we thought. Which, in hindsight, the NFL guys might have preferred. Oh, yeah. Definitely. If I would have known they were playing Team USA, I think I, as a person that has a microphone in front of me every day, would have said,

we are betting on the Team USA ones for sure, just strictly because I'd seen it in person. if the boys are being told you'll be okay without even watching these guys play that's on them but it's also middle of their off season so whoever was telling him and feeding them the information that they're going to be okay i think you kind of set the boys up was team USA always supposed to be there or were they were there because they were there because i think it was by the combine i knew by the combine i knew that was the combine i remember that it was legends and that was the current guys and that was going to be there so yeah i think it might have been you knew team USA was going to be there yeah at the combine i remember that it was legends and it was the current guys and there's going to Maybe the Team USA piece. Yeah. Legend and leaders. You would think they wouldn't even believe it either way. Like if you're telling Tom Brady and Joe Burrow, like, careful now, these guys, they can play ball.

Like, you would assume just a competitor in those guys probably. Okay. And I understand that. I appreciate that, actually. Yeah, right. I think Payton had the right word. And then when you see it, it's like, okay, there is a very legitimate skill to pull a flag and to do the elevator thing and the twisting turning thing. And knowing the rules immediately.

Yeah, knowing the rules. Exactly. Yeah. It's a cross route. Yeah. It is. We had no chance. Coach Peyton should have showed him some Hoosh film.

Put the fear of God in those guys' hearts. He had a playbook. He had a playbook. He told me. He drew up a playbook. They have film. Did he text these guys video of Hoosh? Yeah.

I don't know if he, I don't think he had the defensive game plan ready. But I got the opposite. That's the problem. Who was D.C.? All right. Salah was with Shanahan and I believe Harbaugh's with Payton. Yeah. I got a coach we needed on the staff.

Who? We all know him. Yep, we do. Chuck Pagana. Nope, lives in California. Yep. That's some great cigars and whiskey. You would have put the...

As a you are. Has a yacht. He would have helped a lot. He has a yacht. Yeah. He texted me yesterday. Tell you later, Shrek. He texted me yesterday at first time.

Tell me that if I want to go get my ass kicked in golf by Pat Perez, I can... I saw his name. It was late night. I saw his name on my phone. I was like, good to see this guy. We're talking about coach. National Champion. Yeah.

J.B. Coach J.B. He should be, if he was given the reins to Team USA, I don't know if there would be a single loaf in that entire time. No way. We respect. We respect. Yeah. All right.

Now you get it. Now you get it. Anything we haven't talked about? Yeah. I got one for Trace. I got a question for Strach, unless you were about to say something that actually means something. No.

Go on. No, hold on. No, hold on. Shanks. Please say what you were going to say. And then we will definitely get it. No. The other thing was last night before that.

big reception, the NFL unveiled that they're also producing partners on a real television show, a scripted television show, which is the first time they're doing this. It's with the guy who does, This Is Us and Paradise, and it's called the Land, and it's about the Cleveland Browns, and it's going to be sold to an actual network, but the NFL is a production partner on it, which is another asset.

In this media world now, the NFL is going to be producing things at an even greater scale. We're talking about a scripted, like, serial show that the NFL is a production partner. So that's a relationship with Skydance, I do believe, which is owned by Paramount, which is now partner with the NFL to create scripted, non-scripted feature film serieses about football story. You know how everyone is a media company when all the NFL is a media company? Yeah, certainly are. And the people they hire are all, like NFL films obviously involved with

that as well, the way they're shooting everything. It's like they try to find the Scorsese's of these stuff. At Fogelman, he did, obviously this is us in parent. I think he also did Parenthood maybe. He's like got a long, but he's also a diehard Browns fan. Oh, nice. Yeah, should be great. I think the NFL, from my understanding of the relationship with Skydance, said there's so many stories that we would like to be able to tell that you can't just do a documentary for everything. Yeah. Like we would like to tell

these stories. And it's a growth of a league, and obviously, we understand this more than their expand Skydance sports into the preeminent global sports content studio. It's like the NFL is pop culture. The NFL is society. It's like it is society now. So them just

starting their own stories and telling their own tales how they want to tell it and what needs to be told. or something that they think should be something that sold, seemingly inevitable. Yeah. And I think, like, this will actually work with the buy-in from the NFL, because that always, like, if you watch a football movie or anything, like, it takes you, like, any given Sunday. It takes you out immediately.

The sharks. Yeah, these aren't NFL teams, but if, like, the NFL is actually working. It's why Draft Day actually works. Yes, exactly. Because you see the Seattle Seahawks logo. Right. See the Browns logo. Old Callahan.

Kobe Fleener with a pancake blocked on the credits. That's kind of sweet. It might be a Stanford's own. Yeah, it might be his best block he's. ever had in the NFL, Kobe Fleer. I think he pancakes somebody during credits. I was so happy. I love that. I was like, they put you over pretty big during credits, bro.

He had his head down, fucking driving everything. It was a full on. Nobody going to that guy's birthday party, though, did give us a little insight. Yes, it did know that. How everybody kind of views this entire thing. I like that they're doing that. What else are they talking about today? You said Goodell is talking later?

Adele's going to do a press conference later. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Pause. Yeah. Rules have broke. NFL owners have approved four rule changes per source. Shregs, give us your opinion on the conference. Competition Committee permitting the kicking team to declare an onside kick at any time during the game. So last year it was only a fourth quarter two-minute thing and they said, all right, let's scrap that.

Let's go back to what it was. Just have to announce it. Yeah, you can't surprise onside kick, but we can do one in the first quarter for Jeff Fisher and we're playing against Peyton Manning. Oh, yeah. He did three of those Titans versus Colts. Colts won by 50. By competition committee to eliminate the kicking team's incentive to intentionally kicked the ball out of bounds when kicking off from the 50 yard line. Okay, so that's just going back to where the touchback would be as opposed to half the distance.

every team that kicked it out of bounds looked like super geniuses, but the rule looks stupid, the league looks. It looked dumb, and it happened Monday night, first game when we had on the broadcast, I think Troy and Joe, or even the Manning cast were like, wait, I would just kick it out of bounds. You don't want to kick it and get a return. So, like, yeah, just get rid of all that. Yeah, it just looks

extra strategy. Everybody looks super smart the first couple times it happened, and then at the end, this is so stupid. I would you do this? Shout out to the kickoff, by the way, upping the amount of returns by like $1,500 or $2,000, I forget what it was? By competition committee to modify the kickoff alignment requirements for receiving team players in the setup

zone. Okay. So Pelliserra is not given a lot of detail on what was exactly your world in mind. I think it's the other returner is allowed to move or a set up set up. I think they want to be able to at least move. I think they want to move people. There's a group of eight on a return team, I believe, that are locked. Like there's kind of locked. Not allowed to move. There's like an area.

Then there's what, two in the back. So it must be nine in the locked area. Two returners in the back. Two returns have been allowed to move. I think they want to have one, I don't know. There's something else to the kickoff that they want to make it more explicit. This last one's fascinating, Pac-O. By competition committee for one year only, to allow the NFL officiating department to correct clear and obvious misses made by on-field

officials that impact the game. In the event that there is a work stoppage involving the game officials represented by the NFL referees association. As the NFL is saying, yeah, if these refs want to play a little hanky-panky, we'll certainly hop in a sack. If they don't want a ref, we'll ref. Now, who's

controlling that? Park Avenue. Who, though? That'll likely be the Walt Anderson's and the guys. You think he goes against the referees association? Oh, great point. That's a great point. Who's doing it? Official.

Is he employed by the league, though? Like if he's employed by the league employee, he has to. He's a league employee. He runs the official. So do we like that it's Walt Anderson now on every call? Okay. Troy Vincent is really the person who spearheads that whole department and now it's a decision he makes. But I don't know if Walt, that's a fascinating ask if Walt goes with his old colleagues who are the, or if he's like, I'm a league employee.

Because let's talk like Sterator. Serator is obviously with CBS right now. Yeah. But he's not going to, he's not going to crack. No. That's what Tomlin should do. Mike Tomlin should do that. Just call every.

If they, if, Jim Schwartz for a year did that when he was out of work. He said, I'm going to go work and learn from the officials and did that and worked in the league office as one of the people. Maybe he does it again. Chuck Pagano did the same thing. I believe he wasn't learned from the officials as well. And I think you see a lot of coaches and players want to learn more because they've probably been jaded by some terrible calls.

And they're like, I've got to learn a little bit more about this. but if they're going to have the eye in the sky for every one of these games, who's looking at the eye? Maybe that's a whole other question. That's a good question. But Chuck up her. I think ex-coaches would be good, especially try to find the ones that have been jaded by a terrible call.

They'll be a little bit more motivated. I think you could put them in there. But not every coach is going to be good at it. I mean, that's certainly not going to be the case. Walt Anderson, no offense. You gave us a great 15 years out of your 30-year career, I think. I think there was probably a good 15 in there somewhere at the beginning. Very, very thankful for him.

But we don't want Walt Anderson. on every call, do we? Like you said, like he's been a ref for how long you think he's just, these are all his buddies. These guys hate him forever if all of a sudden he's like, there's no way he's going to do it. Stereator won't crack. I assume Blan Dianner-McColee, I wouldn't think.

I don't think any of them. Like, legitimately, I don't think any of that's how, the refs union. Very strong. Brotherhood. Very, very, very strong. What do you think of the one year thing? I remember we had the past interference could be reviewed for one year,

then they immediately pulled the plug. Do you think it's because of the labor strife that they would offer this? Or it's more that the NFL overall wants to, ability to say, hey, we've got to, if we're going to go for it. Right here, they get public leverage over the NFL referees association, but they also get a chance to experiment on what they can do in the future. Just like what baseball is doing with ABS right now. They experimented a lot with that, right?

Yeah. Experiment experiment experiment. Yeah. Experiment experiment, experiment. And then boom, we roll it out. Now it's one of the most exciting things. And people love it. Love it.

Except the Omps. Bingo. Which, who might not love this? The refs. So they're also getting a chance to kind of utilize the technology that we've always wanted them to potentially utilize. And that could be a vision of what the future. future looks like in the NFL.

Referee Association doesn't want that. You're giving them an opportunity to maybe explore with robots. Maybe that public leverage will get them into a negotiation where they're able to make an agreement. Remember, the refs say the NFL is not even showing up to negotiate. The NFL is saying, you're not even moving anytime we do this. So like who's, it's a real standoff right now, it feels like. The ref's point is we are paid peanuts compared to the NBA and compared to the MLB.

And also, we don't even get health benefits. So, yes, you want us there earlier. But where is it? And the NFL is saying, hey, you guys, you guys are operating on your own. The reps are also saying we don't want to be talked to for two months after the Super Bowl. We don't want to have to answer it. Yeah, we don't have to talk to. We don't have to be full-time.

Don't answer any questions in the floor. Yeah, there's a lot of that. And also, nobody can get fired if you get seniority. Like, there's a lot of other stuff, too, that the reps are saying that I think we should be able to find a reasonable outcome there. That's going to take a lot of give up by the referee association. Do you personally, as I felt like yesterday, your point to me about the D1 refs not going, was the most illuminating thing I've heard on the topic. And I said it on my own show.

I did the Shrigger hour afterwards, and I was like, Pat McAfee had the best point ever. Like, you're not just going to get college reps raising their hands here. This is a job in a profession where they respect the hierarchy and they go up the ladder. The union, yeah. The union and all that. You made a great point. I feel like you've been very, very clear and you've been very perceptive in the moment on a lot of this stuff. I feel like, not that I'm asking you to be this person, but,

you have a real passion for the rules, it seems like. Yeah, I hate these refs. Okay. Sorry, I like the good riffs. I like the good refs. Who was your favorite ref when you were a player? I like Gene Sterator. He's a Pittsburgh guy. Yenzer Italian. He's the greatest. He's the goat. Ed Hockey Lee was awesome. There was a couple others that I enjoyed. Cleet, I enjoyed interaction with Cleet pretty well.

Anybody that had Moxie, that was a white cap, I liked. You liked that? Yes. Because some players, like, it's not about you, dude. No, I agree, but you're speaking for the game. So whenever you have an ISO with 50 million people watching, I think you have to have some oxy. I think you have to have some confidence. Who's the other guy? The Big 12 crew? I love the Big 12 crew.

Yeah, yeah. They need to be just given a prime time slot. Are they good? Unbelievable. But they will not. No, no. They will never break the code. Bingo. Yeah, because they can't. Ethics. Because they're definitely going to be in the NFL. There's a just, what is that? The biggest games in the Big 12, they have a crew that just does those games? Yeah, you get voted into it.

They did the college football playoffs last year and then the college football playoffs this year. They were selected for the national championship, but also two of the college football playoffs games, which is kind of I don't remember a single bad call in any of those games. Boys let him play. Very consistent. Very consistent. Not scared either.

Like, White Cap, not scared of the moment. 30 million people, 40 million people watch and give me this thing. Let me go ahead and deliver for the good of ball. And also, whenever there was a kickoff. Yeah, he's got moxie, too. He's got real moxies. Throw the arrow. He's down at the other end, you know, and they blow for the kickoff to start when everybody's set.

They check with the two side refs. Then they check with here. Then they count to people. And then they send it basically to the side ref. I think that's there. That side ref runs off the field. Then the kicker is to go, right? there's a whole thing. He would, he had different

sense to the kicker. He threw one a couple times, like a football as he blew it. He took a... Yeah, took one out of the quiver. Michael, Robin Hood. Vanderville. That's his name. So this is a college ref that we think, and his crew would do fantastic in the NFL.

On that note, would never break a scab. He would never. Because they know they're going to have to deal with this association, what, in a year, two years are going to be in there? And that's like every good ref's goal. So I'm telling you, that fail, Mary time was so bad. Just so, so, so bad.

Two games, right? Was that what it was? How many three? No, it was longer than that. That was longer than that. Because I remember I did, I did, uh, what year was that, 2012? Three or four, maybe? I thought it was in October. It was that long?

It was a long, but I remember when they returned. I remember Jeff Triplett did a Packers game and, like, you know, gave like a heroes welcome and they were all standing innovation from the fans. And then I did Baltimore and Sterator was there. And like, the crowd, like, stood up. And, like, for the first time ever, the refs were like, well, thank you. Thank you. We're back.

And then a week later. and it was like, oh, yeah, but think about how much success, three games. First three weeks. Think about how much success. Was there another prime time game in the four, or is it just the finish of week three? I think the fail merry was the last. It was. It was Sunday night football.

The Hail Mary was. Breaking point. So three weeks of that. Think about how loud it was, week one, week two, and then obviously week three, that ref union is very good. And I believe the guy that is leading. Scott Green. This is last hurrah, potentially, too.

So he was there during that one. It's like, hey, boys, we will find ourselves with incredible leverage. here. Like absolutely incredible leverage. We won't have to answer for anything. Everybody will have a job forever. We don't have to be full time. Like that... I'll tell you, I remember this. I was working on Inside the NFL for Showtime, and that play happens

to fail merry. And we had the... It's a ridiculous play. We had the ref, come on. Because immediately after the labor strife, it's like he's going back to being a high school coach. So he was on, and he was a guest on Inside the NFL, and he was like, it's my moment, too. I think he

wrote a book. Jesus. Yeah. Like, it was That was their moment, like these replacement guys. I'm telling you we can't have it. Can't have it. I just can't. That would be detrimental. That would be like a work stoppage in my eyes, detrimental to the NFL. But what about all the talk about Australia and the Dan Fogelman series and the flag football?

This is what the priority has got to be. Especially with people gambling. Yeah. People gambling on the games. Why that accent? Gambling? Are you gambling right now? We got a little bit of a crowd back here.

I have no idea how this has happened. Good to see you guys. Thanks for coming, guys. Good see you. Hell yeah, team. All right. So what's going on here? Leaker trading.

I'd imagine they're not thrilled about it. Great card store. The Billmore, the people that are staying here. Yeah, but are these people staying here? Are these people at the Biltmore? I don't think a couple of guys get out of Ubers. Yeah. I saw a yellow cab pull up.

Yeah. I don't think they're all staying on property. I don't think Jimmy has them showing up in a yellow cab. But after he pays, Deshawn Watson's deal. He, my head. That's David Mulligeth football. All right. Shregs, what else? Oh, actually.

Yeah, I cut you off. Yeah. Oh, yeah. My question, of course, which I remember was. Yes. That's a great pool. It was, and granted, it is early. Are you trying to find her right now, still? No, no. I did. They did find it. They called this vamping. I found it, but I do want to

preface it with. I know that it's early. But you are very good at pontificating things that are going to happen. And at this point, free agency has happened. All the hirings have happened. The staffs are kind of established. I personally, as far as who's going to be the Patriots of this year, I do love the Giants because Harbaugh,

the second year QB, things like that, the guys they signed. Like who right now are you kind of feeling out looking at everything they've done? And they still have the draft and the camp and everything. But who do you have your eye on now as like a, hey, Lions might miss the playoffs. That was your one last year. Nailed year before

commanders, you know, making a playoffs, making a run. They go to the NFC title game. like who right now are you kind of feeling almost as if a team that you might see you know doing very well or uh-oh don't look now they might uh they might be over the home too early for the uh-oh because i like to see training camp on the uh-oh the team that is saying all the right things and seems to be building the right way i do think the ravens are going to come back with a vengeance right now and i know they the max crosbie trade fell through and i know this of sex tone in a real way but yeah talking to minter talking at Acosta, talking about it's like they felt the impact of missing the playoffs. And that went from the top to the bottom. And they know that they had to scrap a lot of things and bring a lot of new faces and new voices. And I believe there is a urgency, a desire, and a freshness in that building where I think the Ravens are going to be very good. Are they going to extend Lamar?

Because that was the other conversation like they didn't get an extension done with him. So is Lamar going to leave? I would imagine all that gets taken care of in the. the wash and it will happen and it's not going to happen on our timeline. Okay, on their timeline. Steve Bishawti's time. Yeah, that's right. He is the man.

See him yesterday or no? Did not, is he here? I haven't seen him, but he's also usually a fixture at these things. Cigar, same deal, similar in vibe than what you were. Oh, if I would have ran into Bichardie. He's the man. Probably in the shadows. Doesn't want to be seen, but wants to be there.

Yeah, you're right. Want to experience it, but don't want to, others to experience me. Remember, after they won it, I was here probably 12 years ago now. It was 2013. He was. I just got ears. He was there. Nobody wanted to tell me? Bashati

was sitting at this event, that same event. I did not see him. Nobody saw him. I took a laugh. Probably great Gatsman. Oh, let me guess. Who was it?

Yeah, you know who it was. Was it the $600 shirt guy? It was. It was a $600 shirt guy. It was an Italian shirt, though, I'll have you know. And nobody thought he underpaid for it after they found out he paid $600 for it. That's Bruce Brown. Oh, Italy, by the way, the Cleveland Browns state.

That's Cleveland Brown's nation now. Italy. The fraud. That just reminded me of that. I forgot about that. That's a tough loss. Huge win for Cleveland. All the bronze fan.

Great. We get Ireland in Italy now. Has to be a Cleveland Browns for. We get potatoeis-on. What happened? Easy. They gave him the Italian market. Cleveland gets Italy.

Cleveland got Italy? Yeah. Congratulations. It took one look at Monk in instead. Tuscan. He's a friend of him. And Pittsburgh got Potatoville. Excuse me.

The Rooney family are ambassadors to Ireland. Yeah. Can you're a chairman of Ireland. Pittsburgh is a businessman. sirs to Italy. Yeah, I would say Pittsburgh is a very Italian... This is bullshit.

Cleveland, I think they got Italian sewers. I'm done with the international series. This is the straw that broke my back. I will say, tone, before he had to broken back from this particular straw, he said he's about sick of us having to send our product to these other countries. If he's our

countries don't like us, we don't send our game to him. It's America's product. They want to come watch a game, get on a plane and come over, okay? I don't feel that way. I think the game should I get the anger. I do get it. Tona hates it.

Tona has been very... The only good part is that the game's on at 9.30 in the morning on Sunday. That's great. It would be like having that window, right? I love having that window. I don't like sending our athletes. Other countries. Okay.

Injury risks. A lot of other risks. What if they were to send this show in this group to one of these markets? Which one would interest you the most? Ireland. Italy. Go back. You've already done it, though, for the Notre Dame game.

I'm not going back. What about Paris? I can't survive. Paris. Paris should be the last one, I think we would pick. Madrid? Germany. That would be electric.

Paris already surrendered from us, our show going over. He's trying to go to a World War II. That one really is good. Yeah, you got it. You nailed it. You'll watch that one back and you'll say, and you high five and yeah. That's smart. That is not one.

We have a lot of French fans. Will you please? Do we? Yes. I don't think we do. Huge in France. We, we maybe. Bonja, Sá-Mapel, Pad.

I think the Maccafee show in Paris for a week. before a Saints game would be incredible. When I was 14, the McAfee Show was in Paris. Yeah, it did not go well. Germany. Yeah, Germany would be sweet. I think Germany would be awesome. Italy would be crazy.

Any of them would be sweet, man. It's always a festival. Whenever we played in England, it was just like an American sports festival. You saw basketball jerseys, baseball jerseys, you saw everything. But now that football is becoming more and more. It is a festival. So I think I'd like to go to anyone. Paris, though, you can go ahead and jot that one down is probably never.

Why? Place smells awful. That's not why. That is not why. I've heard it smells like... City of romance, city of great soccer, and of course... I don't know, I got married and Indiana out. There's a lot of romance.

Yeah, there is. There's a lot of romance out of Indianapolis. Oh, come on. Because they were pooping in the sand. That's kind of cool. They were pooping in the Sen. It's the Sean's a Lise. They still still still are.

So that might get us there. Wee, we. Breaking news in our group chat, by the way. Breaking news in the group chat. It is. Ravens just detected Mr. Bishol, he's not here, so that was a lie. Okay. Thank you.

We would have told him. We wouldn't have missed him. He's the best. So Bruce said, I saw him. I didn't. Didn't tell you. No, I fucked out. Who said he was here?

DeCosta was back corner. So I said back corner. That's all me. Or he was there. And then we are talking about him being here now. And he said, hey, make sure people. Like Kaiser so say. Yes.

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Guys are so saying. All right, this show is that in two minutes. Thank God. We're not going to... By the way, France is not even in our top 23. Countries watches this program.

Really? I would... That's pretty crazy. I would expect it 50 to 60 there. How many countries are you? Every time I find out how many countries are. I think there's a 163 countries. Give me a metric.

Give me a country that we would be surprised with. It goes, U.S., Canada, the UK. Australia, Germany, Mexico. India. Boom. The Philippines? I've always wanted to have an Indian... show since the beginning.

We've got to do it. Because I think we have somebody hang around me. That's an Indian person that speaks their language. Now, Grant, I think there's a lot of different languages in India as a whole. Just one of them. Kind of hang out, catch the vibe, deliver the whole show in my cadence. We're off in India. Now the tech does it already.

That is incredible. Well, thanks. YouTube beat us to it. They do it to every single country. Every single country. I did not know India was climbing like that, though. I'm happy to hear that. After India was the Philippines, Ireland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Indonesia, South Africa, Sweden, Japan, Spain, Italy, Singapore, Brazil, Venezuela, Switzerland, Malaysia, and Denmark. Ponce.

All before France? Yeah. I mean, that's what we got. I was there as a 14-year-old bro. I don't know for it. They didn't like me immediately. Immediately they did not like it. I mean, I got a cleat to the chest.

Yeah, I'm telling you. If you want to know how a country feels about America, drop me in the middle of it. I'm not saying people know who I am, but they look at me and they go, that's, that's. is an American. Put that on the billboard. That one right there. Yeah, I can tell just looking at it, that asshole. That's an American.

And that is everywhere in the world. You drop me in the middle. I'll probably be able to... France is 26. It just... Bill just sent it. 26. We can probably go through there

and see how people feel about Americans if we really want to dive into it. On that note, I love all you. Japan would be cool. We'll be down. We'll see you guys tomorrow. We'll be back in the Thunderdum. We're going to be honest.

The show's kind of let us. down. The league meetings didn't. It's been a blast. You all were the best. Have a good one. Goodbye. We battled through today. We covered all the news. Yeah, we've done it. We did ABS. We're still live, Shrakes. I'm sorry.

We had a hot mic earlier, too. Boys in the truck having one. It caught me saying, did your shirt take over with Porry? That's what it got. And on that note, there was some compliments to the shirt. It looked great. It was the only polo I had. Ward golfing. You look great. Thank you. I thought you looked great.

cool, too. They're the only ones I brought. So I actually was looking to get some more shoes and the polo shirt. Turns out the mall here. Sixth. Zombie land. No, Macy's was open. I went to Macy's. It was also... It was a Macy's finding a fit at Macy's. We were in there for a while. Nick got that full fit at Macy's. And Nick kept telling people I bullied him into it. He and I saw that outfit.

Nick looked good. Yeah, exactly. There was a leather one. There was a leather one that Connor could have wore. Yeah, I thought about it, but I was just... Pants or jacket passing out? Shorts. All the... Yeah. Leather shirt. shorts, leather, and you'd turn that down. It would have stuck to me like gum.

Like big mic shirt. The time I walked outside, especially finding out, we didn't know the whole thing was outside. So when we wanted to watch. We didn't know anything. We didn't know anything. We didn't know nothing. They put our set right here in front of the whole thing. We know nothing about what's going on.

Great set. Great. Yeah. This has been unbelievable. Nobody can join the show, though, because all the sessions are happening while the shows. Yeah. Exactly. So what we need to do if we do this again, I'm not committing to.

But if we do this again, we need to pre-records of people whenever they're not in these sessions. Run them in this thing. Sunday night, we record a full show. Boom, that gets run Monday. Monday night. We just record the party. We record a whole show. Maybe we'd do the show at a party.

Or we do the show at Glazers place. Or we just fly in for last night. That's not a bad idea. And then we fly out. How the same stories and have the same experiences. That, if I was to guess, I would assume next year. Can I tell you, though? they alternate East Coast West

so next year will likely be in Florida. Boom. We were back. That's what I'm talking about. We're in bed. We're in bed by 4 a.m. Yeah. That place was beautiful.

The last time we went to Florida League meetings. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah, was. Remember the hard balls? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. But that's the thing. If it's on East Coast, that changes everything because then the meetings are 9 to 12. Oh, yeah. And so they will be able to come.

Bingo. On the program between 12 and 3. Boom. Up top. Yeah. Oh, that was all of us. Shrag's kind of left to hang. there. Shregs, any final messages for the people

who have had to sit through this one? I think it's been great. Yeah? I think it's been a real showcase for my talents and my ability to hang with the crew, so I'm exactly thrilled with this. This was a great episode. I loved it. I would say... I'll tell you what, Shregs. That's a great way to view it. That is what it was. Makes me feel better. Yeah, Shreg's it was.

Last night, I loved seeing you guys in the mix. I know that there was some apprehension from some of the boys, like, I don't want to be at something that's so official. And it was fun. And the guard was down, and you guys were great, and you were celebrated in a way that I think you were a little surprise probably a little bit right by the people saying hello that was very kind of everybody we probably should have no because i think you know i mean the nfl's not doing anything mickey mass i don't know why i was expecting us to go to like a holiday in ballroom just like a big

open ballroom with like one one bar and like a wedding yeah and like a thing of like combine to be honest is in a convention center so you're thinking oh it's me the same thing this is a different deal yeah and everybody here kind of knows deal yeah everybody here knows deal got 31 billion there's security walking around, you know, them tailing the families, too. Two things you like. The fleet of black cars that will show up when the sessions close out, that is always

a site to be seen. You have thousands of them. And then the second thing would be Goodell does a press conference. The second, that press conference ends like rats, everyone leaves. Yeah. What time is that press conference? It's usually a moving target when the meetings are over. So I would say usually later today, probably like three or four o'clock. Would we be able

to ask a question if we get in there? If you're a credentialed member of the media, you sure can. Good news What would be your one question? As someone who did this from that side many, many years, you get one question and you don't want to ask a softball and you don't want to necessarily ask them

that's going to be asked someone else. What would be your one question to be asked to Roder Godell? I don't know. It depends on how it was going. What are the other questions that have already been asked, Shrakes? You know, you can't just go in there with the game playing.

You're going to start off with the refs question. You're going to again be asked about. Reps's probably being asked by somebody else before me. Yeah. Broadcasting will be a question. There will be a question about maybe league initiatives, minority coaches. There'll be some questions about our league points that are like talking points.

And then they're going to be, all right, Pat McAfee, what's your question? I don't know. I got to be in the room. I'd have to be in a room, see how it would have. Everyone said there's not a lot going on this year. That's a great thing for the league. Yeah, it is a great thing for the league. Not good for the refs. All right.

Hey, how are you guys doing? I'm going to see you guys. You guys look good. You guys look like hotel people. Thunderbirds. I don't know. Are they Thunderbirds? That's a good question.

Sounds like they have a good job. Do we know if they can hear us if I'm not looking at them, those people over there that are by far? Yeah. There's audio. Yeah, they can. Okay. So I don't want to say anything. I was just going to ask who they could possibly be.

You guys want to. Hey, you guys are awesome. Thank you guys for hospitality. Thank you. This place is great. Thank you. Thank you guys for what you do, man. Frank Lloyd Wright.

That's right. We love this place. Do you know that? I think they're associated with a hood. I think one of them might own it, actually. Bing Crosby wrote, white Christmas from here, right? Get on a time. That's true.

Yeah, the guy in the middle owns it. Okay, yes, this is president of hotel. Hey, thanks for your service, buddy. Okay. We can tell. We can feel it. Think great job here. Well, they added the pickleball courts.

It adds something. I appreciate it. We didn't get a chance to stay here. No, but we appreciate it. We've heard the rooms, unbelievable. Next time. It's getting sweaty out. Courses, guys, right?

We need a chance to play here, but we've heard courses. Unbelievable. Guys done well. this place is really nice. Yeah. Now, I've been told potentially that the Minnesota Vikings head coach is walking this way. Okay. I was certainly planning on end in this thing.

Getting in the car. Yeah. Yeah, guys are taking me back to God's country. Uh-huh. Amen. Give me home. That's what I was thinking about it. So you won't be doing the Goodell Press Cup.

No chance. Yeah, the whole thing you were just setting up there is no way. Andy Reid's walking out here with a little bit of a limb. Hell yeah, Andy Reid. Someone said knee surgery. Hell yeah, coach. Good see you. Red.

Battling. Battling. Um. Is Kevin O'Connell coming here? When, do you know? Right, yeah, but like... I think he'd understand. You should send him back.

Send him back. All right, we'll talk to Kevin O'Connell another day. I'm excited to hear what he's got to say. I'm honored for that. To be honest, it's one of the worst ones we've ever done. Come on. Shragge, you were great. Thank you.

Shanks, you were phenomenal. You got a show. I got a showcase. We couldn't have it, I guess. The whole part of being here. Yeah. We're going to get all these coaches and all these. I waited for two hours for a head coach to do a taped interview for NFL live and I got blown off.

So at least he didn't get blown off. And now we know next year. They were probably booze. It will happen the way we thought it would. Yeah. It's on the East Coast. In Florida. On American time.

To the crew to piece this together. Thank you all. You guys. Thank you. Best of the best. Even in the audio department. Zito's working right now. He's like, can get it here right now.

No. Are you selling them. Yeah. Catch you. Catch you. Back in a truck. Appreciate you, boys. Way to go, Bruce.

Really on top of all of it. Took a couple hacks. Took a couple hacks. He had the O'Dell and then the Boshadhi was like. To the police officers. Thank you, guys. Thank you, police officers. Thank you, officers.

Guys are good. No rush. Little vitamin in the sky, a couple different times. These cops didn't care about nothing. All right, we'll get out of here. If he's right here, I think. There's just a little information. You know.

We're going to hit the Mike McCart? Nah, it doesn't look like. Yeah, he's not. He says around here. I mean, if he gets here. Who's that in the blue, is that Shottie in the blue jacket? Yeah. Where's shot?

Coming out. Underneath. Oh, we're not doing that. We had good company. We know what Shottie was doing last night. Shottie was awesome. He coached us in Indianapolis. Did he?

Yeah, so what was his? Quarterback. Yeah, I think he was a quarterback coach. Are you on the team? Yep. No. Yeah, it was a nice catch up of Shottie. We gave very.

We gave him the fool like, you're the head coach of the fucking Dallas Cowboy. How cool is that? That's crazy. He was telling me he was 32 years old when he was an offensive coordinator. Oh, that's pretty young. That's pretty cool. And now he's at this stage in his career. Yeah, him talking about his dad last night a lot. There's a lot of stories about his dad and like things. It was really cool. It was a late night in conversation,

but he was like, feels like he is very thankful for the opportunity, pumped and also like, they feel good about the Calvians. Yeah, we're going to do this. They feel good about the Cowboys. They feel really good about the Cowboys. Very good. about the new DC too. Yeah.

Parker. Yes, definitely. That was a good part of the coverage. All right, we're ending in. I'm out. Hey, hotel people, good work. Thanks, guys. We're going to go ahead.

People. Stay here, Strakes. Be your friends. I'm nice. My change of life. We're in this thing together. Boys, great work out here. You, great.

You too. Nobody embarrassed program, too bad. I'd say. No, I think we did good. I mean, there was some loud speaking in places, I think. Yeah, a loud restaurant. But after what I saw from the NFL last night, we're good.

I think, kind of a different setting. But I do agree with where you. saying. Be a friend, tell her friends. Something nice. It might change your life. We're this thing together. Team on me. Officer. Officer. Put it up. There we go. There we go. Team on me. There we go.

There we go. We're going to head back to Indianapolis, Indiana. We are grateful to Arizona for being fantastic every time it's here. Thank you to the NFL for allowing us to broadcast from the parking lot and for allowing us to be a part of last night. The league is in good hands. We're proud to be a part of it, small part of it. And they need to figure it out with these refs. They're in back there, too. Nice. One guy's got his hand up.

Oh, yeah, he's just raised a hand like a teacher. Maybe we should ask him a question. We should get out of here. Team on me. Team on three. Thank you all so much for allowing us to do this for a living. One, two, three. Team.

Come on.