The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1534 - Iman Shumpert, Jeff Passan, Jackie Redmond, Andre Agassi

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk and the boys discuss Cody Rhodes coming into the ThunderDome last night and taking back the title as well as potentially committing a class 6 felony for ...vandalism, criminal mischief, as well as a litany of other charges. Plus they discuss everything happening in MLB, the incredible play-in games last night, and some NFL news as the Draft creeps closer and closer. They are also joined by several great guests including 10 year NBA veteran, NBA Champion, and current ESPN NBA analyst, Iman Shumpert; MLB Senior Insider and host of Sources Tell Jeff Passan, Jeff Passan; WWE reporter, and NHL insider for the NHL on TNT and MSG Sportsnet, Jackie Redmond; and lastly, Gold Medalist, 60x ATP singles winner, 8x Major Champion, Andre Agassi to chat about Pickleball Slam 4 tonight on ESPN. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Ladies and gentlemen, a person that you call a hero, a person that you all have deemed a champion, a person whose self-proclaimed name is the American nightmare is just that. He's a criminal. Last night, obviously something devastated happened to our entire Thunder Doe. I get a text around 6.55, 7 p.m.ish from DeBone. graphics designer here in the Thunderdome and he says, boss, something just happened. Can we talk? Never want to get that text. Uh-oh. I tell him, let's talk to the boat. He lays out a series of events that took place that
Starting point is 00:00:52 honestly, I could have never believed if we didn't have our security cameras running at all times here in the Thunderdome because obviously a lot of important things happen here. We have no idea what's going to take place. So we have closed circuit television. All around here with all these cameras. So we're able to see anything that happens here whenever it happens here. So yesterday, when DeBone was mopping this floor after a great afternoon of Thunderball, which is a wiffle ball game that is played here in the Thunderdome, and it was DeBone's day that rotates each time, he seemingly just let an asshole in here to ruin our set. Run the footage, Foxy. So this is from our security camera.
Starting point is 00:01:36 DeBone down here, mopping the Thunderdome floor. DeBone. Good mop. Here's something to his right, okay, is what he says. Pounding on the door is what he says. He goes, oh, this is weird. Let me go see what's going on out here. Couple moments later he comes back.
Starting point is 00:01:53 That would end up being Cody Rhodes. What? When you first see the footage, you'd have no idea that that is Cody Rhodes. DeBone just walked his ass in here. Gets back to mopping. Cody walks right up onto the stage, okay? full day of media in New York. And I would learn later that he posted on his story.
Starting point is 00:02:11 I'm going New York, then question mark in Vegas. Well, we found out takes my bet. Oh, what the? Jeez. Bus a once in a lifetime collectable. Okay, come on. Hits my mic, knocks a chair down, and then takes Randy Orton's title out here.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Yeah, you're talking multiple different things and then on his way out, DeBone, doing nothing yet again. Spite, sorry, come this my only computer. Then what was that? What was that? What? Cahoots?
Starting point is 00:02:48 Yeah, is this guy in on it? So then Cody just walks his ass out of here, no problem. Then he goes on Instagram and posts a video of him walking out there playing my fucking song while he walks onto a plane and leaves. You know who knew that that all had happened? There's only one other person. The bone. How did we let a rat in the building
Starting point is 00:03:08 walk up to this stage and bust everything out. I have no idea. Genuinely, the bone hasn't been fired strictly because we want to have this moment right now. Foxy, please cut to the camera that we put in to stare at Bone. Bone, find a microphone over there, please. Thank you. Bone. Hello?
Starting point is 00:03:30 What's up, boys? Oh, okay. What's up, boys? We're not your boys. Yeah, just real quick, you told me last night, but I do believe an explanation should be given to the world who might want to, wonder, hey, this is wrestling. Just say, no, we walked in this shit's broke.
Starting point is 00:03:44 This is a multi-million dollar once in a lifetime. This is millions and millions of dollars, okay? Yeah, let alone the bat, sign back. Yeah, exactly. Babe Ruth. Sign back. Busted in this entire thing. Computer that's been with us since day one, broken in half over here with things everywhere.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Jim Ursaid. Memorial, right there. Falls off. Ram truck falls off. Jesus Christ stayed, though. And I think that's because. He knew. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Now, Da Bone! How the hell do you just walk Cody Rhodes in the middle of this thing and let him do all that without stopping him saying anything or trying to fight him for it? What happened? I thought we had a good culture here. Listen, boys, as you could see on the footage, I'm mopping. I'm mining my business, and I see Cody Rhodes at the door.
Starting point is 00:04:30 It's thunderstorming. And as a wrestling fan, and I was a fan of Cody. Big fan of Cody. We've had good interactions. What's he doing here? I go to the door. He says, hey, I told Pat I was going to swing by. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I didn't know if it was real or unreal. How was I supposed to know? Yeah, I mean, come on, boys. Come on, boys. Get him off the camera. Hey, you're fired, okay? Well, we'll talk about, I don't know if I can inspire you immediately because we're now like a real company.
Starting point is 00:04:57 I don't know if that. That should be fireful. You're fired. I know. I should be fired. I should be fired. Fire off. Not only should he be fired.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Guess what, Mr. Cody words. I have something to tell you, pal. Oh. We looked it up. Now, breaking and entering is not possible because... Yeah, moron over there to let him, you know, walk in Scott Free. DeBone Arnold. There's some real charges here we could cook up for Cody Rhodes.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Okay? Criminal mischief, that's a level six felony. Yeah, no big deal. That's over $50,000 in damage. Uh, yeah, that photo. Mm-hmm. A lot. At least.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Signed Babe Ruthbath. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A Bambino bag? Yeah, you're kidding me? Laptop. That was state of the art at the time we got that 10 years ago.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Yeah. It's a relic. I think certainly you are something. Aggravated criminal damage to property. Always. I got glass all over the place down here. Felony menacing, certainly. A place of worship.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Oh, people are wondering how that's the case. This used to be a church. And Jesus is still here, I think. Boom. Right there. Every day. Always. saw the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:06:09 The whole always. Yeah. In all ways. Omnipresent. Because realize, realize. Realize. Branching a weapon, boom.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Bambino, bat. He could have killed somebody, seen it before. Burglary. He walked out of here with Randy's title. Yeah. And vandalism. Because all this. We don't know if every charge would stick.
Starting point is 00:06:31 Okay, but we do know that's wide enough net to get something. Is menacing? Does that include your emotional, that toll that it's going to take on? that you know that someone broke in here and did this all of your stuff. Yeah, and the fact that he somehow weaponized and brainwashed one of our friends into terrorizing our stuff. Might not be criminal, but we would like to let him know we will not be pressing charges. We do not appreciate this one bit. There will be a new photo up here quickly, Cody, because the show does not end because
Starting point is 00:06:58 you somehow, in cahoots, was one of our guys, gets into our building and then does damage to it, okay? Cody, the only justice that'll be proper for you. you is when Randy Orton kicks the living shit out of you on Saturday night. And not only wins his 15th World Championship, saves the business in doing so from this bullshit. I mean, just class. He looks like a righty who's swinging lefty, doesn't he? Yeah, he does. That they kind of look like a righty swing.
Starting point is 00:07:30 But good swings, okay, way to go. Way to get in here. You are smart and you do recognize me. If it was anybody else mopping, then what happens to Cody? He opens that door. Bang. Boom. Right to kiss it.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Back to his head. All right, let's move on to other sports. Foxy, roll that thing. The following program is a collection of students talking about happenings in the sports world. It is made to be comedic informative. The opinions expressed on this show do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of their peers, their boss, or ESPN. There may be some cuss words because,
Starting point is 00:08:07 Because that's how humans is the real world talk. If you are young, please shake permission before watching any further. Hey, why? Let's go. This show stinks. And the fact that you listen, we are very, very thankful. The all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. You pink!
Starting point is 00:08:36 Damn it! You a friend, other friends, something nice could change their life. People. More! South hearts. Now, sports are happening. Bailey's on the ones and twos in the back. Had him muted mic at the beginning of the thing is kind of his routine.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Gets it out of the way, then he dials in. Our friend Nikki Skates, Nick Barado, a lot going on. Hey, pulling for you, Nick. Love him, back. All good, all good. Toxic tables here at Boston Corner and that Ty Schmidt. One half of the Hammer. Cowboys AP Tony's here, a nine-year NFL vet.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Darius Jay Butler is here. D. Butt, I think it's a special day. Okay, because today we celebrate something that if it didn't happen, you and me would never been teammates. You and me would have never been friends. You and me would have never had the opportunity to experience the greatest place of culture and community that there is, which is a professional sports or a, for us, a football locker room. You know, in 1947 it was a big, big time. Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier, played in MLB, became the rookie of the year.
Starting point is 00:09:53 We'll go on to become a six-time All-Star, an MVP, and a World Series. champion and in doing so, doing what sports does, let's bring people together. MLB celebrates Jackie Robinson every single year on this particular day. I think that's awesome to do. I think it's a nice reminder that sports had a huge part of bringing our world together. And I think that's the same message you know that we try to preach as well. Because when you're in a locker room and when you all have one goal and when you're all trying to do the same exact stuff and the same exact way and you're all buying in, it's just like who cares about anything. We're just kind of in this as.
Starting point is 00:10:26 as a group trying to conquer. And it's like, I think society can do that. And I think it's cool that Jackie Robinson has celebrated every single year. And I think it's a good move by MLB. And I would like your opinion on getting to meet people that you would probably never meet before because of football locker rooms.
Starting point is 00:10:44 And inevitably, because of Jackie Robinson in 1947. Yeah, I mean, sports is incredible. Obviously, moving away from home, South Florida, going all the way up to Connecticut, experiencing the campus, experience the Connecticut, experiencing the team. But I can't imagine what Jackie Robinson, the shit he had to deal with, obviously, off of the diamond, you know, not only him, but his family, his people around him, just to kind of chase his dream and play the sport he loved. He was an incredible athlete in multiple sports, but he did his thing in the MLB and opened the doors to so many.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I love how the MLB celebrates him, you know, year in and year out, how they champion him, how everybody puts on the 42 around the league. It's incredible, and he was an incredible man, and late the path was a true, true trailblazer in sports. Yeah, absolutely. And the ability to be able to take it on the shins, not just on the shins, obviously. You know what I'm talking about? Like just to actually have to handle people being very anti-you in a lot of situations. To have the mental fortitude. He's also thinking about future generations whenever he's doing all that. He understands in the moment like, hey, if not me, then who in this entire thing. And I think that's why it's so damn perfect. And obviously, incredible baseball player.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely incredible baseball player, Ty. Yeah, and also, like, obviously dealing with the stuff off the field, but, like, it's widely known that, like, a large percentage of his teammates hated him, too. You know, like there are maybe one or two guys who... Left side? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was kind of, you know, like a modern, not a modern day, but, like, it was a remember the Titan situation. And obviously, once you see the guy play and it's like, oh, this guy can help us win a World Series.
Starting point is 00:12:14 He's one of the best players in baseball already. Maybe that dissipates a little bit, but, like, it wasn't like he was, you know, living this life on the field of, oh, this guy's unbelievable. everybody loves him and then he goes to get something to eat and he has to deal with all that stuff it's like fans hated him they gave him shit his teammates did like it took a long time of him being very good and very consistent
Starting point is 00:12:34 for people to finally kind of realize like okay you know like this is bullshit this guy's been through enough what a good thing for the sport man it's not that long ago that's my grandparents you know around my parents obviously born in 60 so like it's not that long ago but we have come a long
Starting point is 00:12:51 long way so And once again, sports is usually on the forefront of that. You know, it's a meritocracy. It's about what you can do on the field. You've seen it changing. Even in the sport, we cover the most, the NFL with quarterbacks and how different the quarterbacks look now in the NFL as opposed to, you know, 30 or 40 years ago.
Starting point is 00:13:09 And it comes down to opportunities being available to say, hey, yeah, you can't play this mission or you can't be a head coach. You can't be a GM. So it's bigger than what he did on the baseball diamond. He knows that. Obviously, you know, him and his family. but just an incredible, incredible journey for Jackie. Hey, baby Jackie!
Starting point is 00:13:29 There were, there was, I'm sorry, a watch on the everything all DBD. That's right. Yeah. That was a big thing. Yeah, huge. That was a big day. Shout out, coot. Shout out, shout out.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Shout out. Now, on that note, nowhere near. I'm not trying to compare. But it's like, those relationships are the most hilarious and best in the football locker room. And it's like outside of a locker room, if any of the, I think even I make a lot of jokes about the whites, you know, like, hey, because whenever you're shit talking in a locker room, it's like there is an easy icebreaker. Like, hey, I know the whites are big time this, you know, whenever you're dealing with whoever from wherever. Because sometimes the only white folks that some people see are either cops, football coaches, or their teammates in their locker room. And I always felt obligated to represent for a Pittsburgh white.
Starting point is 00:14:24 like, hey, I just want to let you know how we kind of operate. And those relationships are just like forever, you know? It is like sports are the greatest. Sports are the best. Flip side too. Sometimes the only black dudes people see your teammates. True. You know, you get to college because, you know, I'm from a place where it's a melting pot.
Starting point is 00:14:42 It's people from all over the world down in South Florida. But a lot of America is kind of, it's still not segregated, but shit, you grow up, you go to pretty much an all white school or an all black school or in all, you know, Hispanic school, wherever you're from. So to have that type of diversity in the locker room where it's like, look, don't care you from, don't care about your parents. Speaking of the locker room, white boy Wednesdays, yeah, you'll have the off-corder Wednesdays.
Starting point is 00:15:07 But when it's Saturday or Sunday, whenever we have that common goal, we go out there and get it done. And that's why you see, I think people in sports go out have a ton of success even in like, you know, the regular business world because you are used to dealing with so many different people, you're used to dealing with adversity. You used to even, you know, you can empathize with another person that maybe hasn't walk the same walk that you have so you know locker room sports uh is incredible man brings a lot yeah i think the mission of what everybody's trying to accomplish is obviously brings people together and you know you start having a couple drinks you know smoke a little bit whatever hey yeah sure
Starting point is 00:15:39 whatever your thing is start learning about each other start shit talking to each other i mean then it then it just becomes you know that's why the remember the titans movie like i think you'll find a lot of football players really enjoy remember the titans just because like obviously at the beginning it's nowhere near what it is now in football locker rooms but towards the end the relationship is very much like uh like that like that was it was a special showcase i think of what is possible in a football locker room and uh yeah it's cool that the MLB has a day where we can have these types of conversations almost like hey remember let's talk about the greatness that sports has and what jacky robinson did in 1947 yeah and you're always
Starting point is 00:16:16 talking about it too when it comes to not just football but NBA and the jel like the closest teams are the ones that go on to win it all. It's not just like, hey, off the field, we should be friends. It's like, hey, if we are, we're going to be a much better team. You know, when we go out there on Sunday or Saturday or whenever the hell it is. I'm assuming the MLB is no different, too, just because 162 games, all you do is spend time with each other. Like, that is the most important time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Sports are the greatest. Joining us down, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who obviously had a phenomenal NBA career. Let me read through these entire things. First rounder at Georgia Tech Go Jackets. Down Augusta saw some Go Jackets. I bet. Yeah, saw some Georgia Tech fan. Nowhere near as many Go Dogs fans.
Starting point is 00:16:59 But a lot of Georgia Tech people. Ten years in the NBA, Nick's Cavs won a championship there. Kings Rockets, Nets. And then also, guys got hips. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. One season 30 of Dancing with the Stars. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm in Shumper.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Yay! Hey, I'm in. I don't know if you got a chance to catch a deal. All right, Pat. It's he mine, Pat. Come on, man. Don't do me, I haven't like that. That's fucked up.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Take him off. Take him off. Take him off. Take him out. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who is not only an NBA champion, but whenever you see him on TV and you hear him speak, you think yourself, wow, this guy is a TV superstar. Icon, basketball legend, Eamann Schumper. What's going on, bitch, Tammell?
Starting point is 00:17:46 That's fucked up. What's going on, man? Shump is the only thing. And then for the fifth. introduction, I would like to let you know, there was a conversation happening towards the end of the last conversation about is this I or E here as I'm about to dive into this? That's on me and also I think Google, but nonetheless, did you hear the tail end of our conversation there about Jackie Robinson? I did. I did. I did get to hear. Hey, whites are coming into the NBA in a big way. How do we feel about the culture of the NBA and basketball? For us, football locker room is obviously very, very tight. For you guys, is it the same way? And I assume you can tell whenever you're watching teams if they're a tight.
Starting point is 00:18:20 group or not? Yeah, I think it's been something that we've actually gotten to touch on a lot when we were discussing the playoffs. The locker room camaraderie has a big, big, big piece of the puzzle when we start talking about a team that we look at as a championship locker room. If you have a locker room where you see those bonds happening, you see guys corralling each other on the sidelines, you see them reacting to another person's success that's on the floor because they might not be getting the minutes. When you see all these things happening, you could point to that team and say, hey, they're going to be all right because you know when you're making one of those runs to try and get any type of jewelry when you're making those runs something bad is going to happen along the way and you have to be
Starting point is 00:18:59 able to hold on to your guys in your locker room so it's i think it's been great uh that you guys are discussing this uh the things that jacky robinson did when i look at it i think too of remember the titans one of my favorite movies when they talk about those special relationships those special moments i think a lot of the times people don't get to get that camaraderie unless they play a sport and that's what the game does. It breaks that barrier, whatever we didn't have the common ground to discuss. As long as we all play basketball, we get it.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Long as we all play football, we get it. So we love sports and we love what it does to a locker room. We're incredibly lucky to be a part of it. We're thankful that you're part of more of the televised part of this entire thing, given your opinions. We enjoyed you a lot this season. Congrats on everything. And as we push more into the playoffs,
Starting point is 00:19:43 let's talk about the play-ins last night. Charlotte team, is this one of the teams that you're talking about? Feels like they're a tight bunch. He feels like that is a tight punch team. I like that team a lot. It actually sucks that we've had to harp on the thing that happened was tripping bam because if you watch that game start to finish, you want entertainment for just being a playoff,
Starting point is 00:20:02 I mean a play in game to get to the playoffs. This is true entertainment. We always had that little gap in between the regular season going into the playoffs where we don't really have anything to talk about, nothing to get excited about. I think this plan Turner really added something to the NBA. it was special to see. I thought Davey R. Mitchell had a really good game.
Starting point is 00:20:21 I thought Andrew Wiggins had a really good game. These things should be talked about. And we didn't get a chance to because of one play, but that was a very, very entertaining game last night. Yeah, I loved it. You know, I saw all of that game except for about like 24 seconds in the final minute of everything. I think we're all kind of there in the same spot.
Starting point is 00:20:40 That was crazy. Insane. It can't happen. Insane. Yeah, that was crazy. Insane. But I think they had a, they had moments. down the stretch that I thought the heat might have
Starting point is 00:20:52 some things going for them. What was cool to see was we talk about a underdeveloped or the maturity level of the backcourt of the Hornets and we talk about how they need to grow. And it was really cool to see Connip have a terrible shooting performance and lose no confidence when Jack in his next shot. He stayed aggressive. He stayed with it. They didn't call his number down the stretch. Nobody's going to talk about it. He didn't mind it at all. He sat on that sideline. He was encouraging his teammates.
Starting point is 00:21:23 He was there. Kobe White stepped right up and acted like he was back in UNC. He's hitting threes. Everybody's going crazy. When I saw that team at the end, I was like, wow, this is the first step of growth because our knock on the Hornets has been. They are immature. They will play flagrant. They don't understand the moment. They understood moments last night. I thought that was good for them. I don't know how much good it does because whatever you're playing into, y'all are playing into some deep waters dealing with Detroit. But
Starting point is 00:21:51 whatever they did, I think it was great for their ball club. Yeah, the Detroit fans, anytime I put a tweet out about the Hornets, they are in there immediately. And then obviously, I am learning, because I have not paid close enough attention to it, that I guess Hornets and Detroit are what we want. We would all like to see
Starting point is 00:22:08 those two play against each other. I also appreciate the fact that Charlotte, for not having a team for a long time, that's been relevant. That place was awesome. Showed up. Oh, yeah. DaBaby's down there with the babysitters.
Starting point is 00:22:20 I don't know if you saw a video. He's down there and he's in it. He's filming with a mic. He's streaming live down in there. By the way, DeBaby, happy to see you back. By the way, good to see you all the way back in this entire thing. But he's literally getting boards. He's down there getting boards for them.
Starting point is 00:22:35 And the entire city is seemingly showing up for them. Good. Congrats. Panthers getting better. Oh, yeah. Hornets have a team. Hurricanes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Carolina Hurricanes kind of go. It's like North Carolina's whole, but definitely Charlotte here is having a little bit of a come-up. They're a great sports town. Yeah. I'm excited to watch if they can continue to go. Okay, let's move to the other game that happened last night in the West. I learned of a guy. Go ahead, Con, man.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Yeah, Shum, Denny Avdia, Avdia, kind of gets pronounced in multiple ways. Oh, yeah. He's unbelievable. He drops 41. He's one of these European guys that's basically been a pro since he was 15 years old. Can you tell us about this Portland team about Denny? in particular, it felt like he was a bust for Washington, or maybe he just didn't come along quickly enough in Washington,
Starting point is 00:23:20 then he goes to Portland and makes himself an absolute superstar. Is this Portland team kind of got the grit they need? We all remember how the Portland season kind of started a little shaky when it came to off the court stuff. But what about this team makes you think that they can make a run? Well, it was very interesting last night. We kind of underestimated. Well, at least I did.
Starting point is 00:23:44 I'm going to say we. I underestimated what Drew Holiday means to a ball club. What Drew Holiday was able to silently do every time they needed a bucket, every time they needed a decision to be made. He kind of did it for him. And I forgot him and Chris Middleton were the guys filling in the blanks when Milwaukee made that run. So I saw last night, I saw him step up and get activated again. And Avdia take over.
Starting point is 00:24:08 We thought Obdia was one of those guys that can go for 20 to 35 any night. But for him to put his head down, to be getting in ISO situations and waving the ball screen off, to see him do all of this, I really don't even understand if he has a ceiling anymore. I saw it. I was saying maybe he's not as athletic. Maybe he's not this. Maybe he's not that. The guy can play basketball.
Starting point is 00:24:30 He understands if he's not as athletic, he can take that little step across your body to make you unathletic for just a second. All he needs is just a second. He's got a good touch on the ball, a variety of finishes under the rim, seeing him roll. like that and say, it would seem like a statement game to say, I am the man. Not I can be. I am the man. And when you have a game like that, I think that it's big for your teammates to see it, but for the rest of the league as well.
Starting point is 00:24:57 He's a smaller, faster joker. That's what I saw. That's what I saw. I mean, the one he made to win it down the stretch or whatever, he did that thing in the sky, and then he put it straight up in the air. It had no spit. It was like a trick shot that like some uncle would do at a cookout or whatever. like, hey, look, and then puts it straight up in it.
Starting point is 00:25:15 There's no spin on that ball. And then he, and he wanted that foul, too. He wanted it. I mean, it's a bang, bang, boom. And then no spin. Just like, guys, let me do it. He's outrageously good. Everything he was doing was special.
Starting point is 00:25:25 It was like, so this guy's been playing all year, huh? I think he's been, but the thing is, he's been putting together quite the campaign all season. It's not like he's come out of nowhere or anything like that. I think that he's one of, he's one of those guys that we don't. We don't lean on the NBA enough for their player development. Sometimes guys come to a team and they're in a situation or a role where they can't do much. They have to leave that role. They have to get into a new environment for them to blossom, for them to become whatever they're going to become.
Starting point is 00:25:58 I think he was one of those guys that was trapped in a situation. Him being a professional since he was 15 years old adds to the fact that he's going to say, hey, whatever the team needs, this is my job. My job on this team is this. He just never lost focus and never lost confidence in himself. think that if you're a young player out there watching, he is one of those guys that you should put a star next to his name and say, let me watch and let me go back and watch some of his career as it unfolded to see where he got to this point.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Because this is nothing but work and keeping your confidence the whole time. They talk about when your name's called, be ready. He was ready. Yeah, Prime showed a graphic somehow popped it up. But Denny, I believe, was the second leading score in the NBA from like March 28th to the close of the season too. so he really did come on and play his best ball now. Yeah, I think with him last night the way he was playing,
Starting point is 00:26:48 I didn't make it for the whole game. I apologize. As late, that's on me. And also, not knowing that guy existed until last night, that one's on me. That was 100% on me, but that was a nice little surprise. Oh, yeah. That was a really nice.
Starting point is 00:27:01 La Mello, the way Lamello is playing right now, obviously we were keeping up with Con Canipo Rookie of the Year stuff with how many threes he was making. I don't think I was, Lemello's doing exactly what he was doing in high school. Yeah. He's doing that in the NBA. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Like, he's just doing the same exact shit. They're running pick and roll, him past the left, then feed it, and then come back and going, we're going right back to the same shit. I swear, I saw him doing this in high school, what he was doing. Everything, and then him hitting that game winner after the giveaway, the turnover, when Tyler Ero said, actually, I'm going to go ahead and mess this entire thing up and hits the crazy three. Then he presses.
Starting point is 00:27:31 So, like, I think, yeah, this is crazy out of Tyler Eero. Is that right? Hero, Eero, is like, gyro? I don't know it. Hero. Okay, he was, too. And then he presses. something, bang, and then it kind of...
Starting point is 00:27:43 Yeah, they ran a little... It looked like they watched the Connecticut game, and they wanted to do the same thing. That's all I could think. Like, they saw the Connecticut game. This is the same thing about to happen, but... What is that? Is that a...
Starting point is 00:27:53 I didn't see the foul in the corner. Didn't see the foul in the corner. I didn't see that. I don't know why they called that, but it happened. It was a very exciting play. This was a jaw dropper to then. Okay, so the foul was not right, is what you're saying?
Starting point is 00:28:08 That should have just been a miss shot. I did not. Yeah, I don't think that was a foul at all. Okay, can you talk about the trap? Is that called a trap you guys run there where Tyler Hero moves up off his guy? What is that that they ran basically to confuse Lamello and have him get no options? Not really. It's just, yeah, yeah, they just sit in a double team and then it becomes a two to one.
Starting point is 00:28:26 So if you see right there, they got the two guys up there. Your next two guys in the next line would now become your rovers. They're looking to intercept the pass, but they know they're playing three within two. They're trying to play that. And usually to run a press breaker, you should have somebody sprinting. up, somebody from the Hornet should have sprinted up from behind and got to that middle area to give him an outlet. But that's part of playoff experience, part of game experience.
Starting point is 00:28:52 It's loud in there. Lots going on. Everybody just sort of forgot. You only get eight seconds to get that thing across. Once the shot clock turns off, you got to kind of have that in your head. Okay. So thank you for all that information for those of us that maybe didn't play organized basketball. So his only right answer is the back corner there, right?
Starting point is 00:29:08 That's his only right answer at this point? Yeah, I wouldn't even make it. That's a dangerous pass. They're baiting him for that back corner. What they need is the back corner to sprint all the way up and make himself available. Okay, so he just needs to provide an option up here. Without a doubt. They just didn't see it in time and left him to try and make the pass, which he usually does because it's lamello ball, probably put a little too much confidence in him.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Somebody should have been there for him. But then him answering immediately with that layup. And what a moment for him. I mean, that had to be. Oh, yeah. And he was telling people he is who they say he is. He had a lot of that. So I'm in the mascot?
Starting point is 00:29:42 And then the block. Yeah. I like this. Great. He's great star. And that's another thing. This guy's been a star. Miles Bridges.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Miles Bridges isn't going to get a lot of credit. But down the stretch, he hit big shots, timely shots, big rebounds. He played really well down the stretch as well as, yeah, that nice finish he had. And then the last block to make sure he gets back after, you know, quite the exciting thing that happens on the other end to get back and make sure to get that. block, yeah, really proud of the way he played and the rest of the Charlotte Hornets. Again, I understand what happened with Bam is very unfortunate. You never want to see that. But there was a lot of good basketball to see last night.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Okay, I did want to get back to that, so I'm thankful you brought it up again. So this is the second time he's done it to Bam, right? The internet tells me that they ran a highlight from 2024. Is this like his move? Was he trying to slow him down? Is there something between Lamello and Bam? Because that's tailbone problem right there, right? I mean, that is a big man who falls a long way right on his bone.
Starting point is 00:30:41 And then allegedly, you know, though, here it is for 2024. It happened again where he tried to trip him up. Is that like a move? A lot of guys try to slow people down when they can't get back? Or like, why do you think this is happening the way? Yeah, I think that is exactly what happened the first time. I think the first time you saw more, I didn't get the call, I fell, and then I'm really trying to stop the play because I can't get back now.
Starting point is 00:31:02 I tried to sell the call and beg for a call, didn't get one. Now I kind of want the whistle to blow so we can argue. a little bit. You see that a lot with guys, right? This second time, I really think he initially wanted to get his hand out of the way and saw, hey, maybe I could make him step out of bounds or move. Like, I know he wasn't thinking, let me trip him to hurt him or harm him because nobody wants to sit out and take that fine. I don't think Lamella would have a problem with BAM. It's not even a good physical matchup for him to be trying to pick at BAM. So I look at it and I see, you saw it advantage. Look, he's out, he's out, I'm out, my hands on him, whatever. Then you try and move
Starting point is 00:31:43 your hands so you don't get stepped on. That's what I initially saw when I saw it. If it was malicious, LaMello, you know better. Yeah, but. Spolster, you should have been, you should be kicked out of the game. Should have been a penalty, but that's not the reason why we lost, but our best guy didn't play since the second quarter. So I don't know, that's certainly something. That was crazy, especially because it is LaMello. And then Lamello hits the game winner, and we've all known Lamello for so long. So it's like another added piece of his character almost.
Starting point is 00:32:10 You know, like we've seen him grow up on the internet. And now he's leading a franchise in Charlotte, North Carolina, to potentially a playoff run. What is the reality of them? What is the reality of them? I know Detroit, everybody loves. How could you not? Yeah, those guys that are waiting for him.
Starting point is 00:32:26 It's no reality. I mean, Bravo. They've played a hell of a season. If they roll, they win the next game and they roll into that, and they play Detroit, I bravo you know con Cinepple you did great Brandon Miller coming along I love it go home the way they match up the way they and I love Charlotteteen I've been telling people all the time if Lamello gets better with his decision making his gifts what makes him any different from
Starting point is 00:32:56 a SGA besides SGA's head just being on straight and on the narrow to say hey I'm not going to leave any room for error I'm going to make every decision this way Lamello just plays a little bit more free flow, but I feel like he's had the same gifts. When I look at, sorry, I just lost my train of thought. Hornets, losing to Detroit, Lamello. They're going to lose because Detroit plays defense. Lamello and Charlotte, they play a free flow, fast pace. We can throw this freelance pass.
Starting point is 00:33:32 We can throw this skit pass. We can put pressure on you this way. We can put pressure on you that way. Detroit will muck up a game and say, hey, you're going to use the whole shot clock. We're going to go downhill and there will be no three-point attempts. They defend the three-point line as well as shoot-threes. They control pace and they control decisions. If Detroit gets them into a game where decisions have to be key or else it opens up,
Starting point is 00:33:55 Charlotte cannot match up with Detroit in that way. I just, I can't see it in my wildest dream. Okay, I love it. I cannot wait to watch this Detroit team play. Obviously, I have been all season because these guys are so good. So good at basketball. And that's how it's always been up there, right? You guys have been the one seed for the entire season long.
Starting point is 00:34:13 This is the perfect matchup for us because they hate each other's guts. So there'll be no sleeping by the one versus the eight seat thing going on. They'll be ready. The crowd will be ready. The Pistons fans have been waiting for this for so long. Congrats to you guys. You paying the 21-year-old Tiger baseball player as well. Yeah, Detroit's really doing it.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Okay, so you like the Pistons, obviously, clearly. How could you not want to you? I do. Let's stay in the east. Go ahead, Dibu. Yeah, pisses up top of the one seed shump, and then the Celtics are the betting favorites to come out of the east. But after that, I'm asking you about two of your former squads, the Cavs and the Knicks.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Nicks got a ton of expectations every day I see. Hey, if they lose in the first round, wholesale changes. Cleveland, James Hardin, got the most wins ever in the playoff without winning the title. He's paired up with D. Mitch over there. Which one of those teams do you think are primed to make a longer run in the playoffs this year? Well, I think it's the New York Knicks. The New York Knicks were put together for this reason. I don't see why else you bring along a Mike Hell Bridges.
Starting point is 00:35:10 I don't see why else you bring along a Carl Anthony Towns. Like this is what it was for. Down goes Jason Tatum and everybody sort of changes the odds. But as far as I'm concerned, when I watched last year, they had Jason Tatum. They were the favorite already. And the Knicks were going to beat them before Jason Tatum went down. So in my mind, when I look at it, the Knicks are the only team with something to lose in this. Everybody else is sort of playing with an element of.
Starting point is 00:35:36 surprise. It's not a surprise to everybody that's been watching all season, but when we talked about before the season, we talked about the teams being up top. Nobody had Detroit on their mind to be the number one seed. What they're doing right now is great. Kay Cunningham had to sit down for a little bit. He'll be coming back, but there are excuses on paper for, it seems like, every other team. There is no room for error. There is no excuse for the Knicks. The Knicks have to come with it. Good luck to the Knicks, man. Last year, they were so. They do. And the Pacers just happen to be like the hottest thing.
Starting point is 00:36:10 They do. And I like, and I like, and I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, uh, Boston a lot. I like everything that they have going on. I just, I don't see them as the favorite, um, because of what I know the Knicks were brought together to do. Uh, if, if Boston was coming into this with a healthy Jason Tatum all year, I would have a different thing on my mind. I still haven't seen.
Starting point is 00:36:36 explosion out of that leg, knowing that the Knicks already had y'all on the ropes. I'm excited to see the matchup if they do run into each other. I love that. Boston Carter cannot wait to respond to that. I would assume. That's the east, so you can finish it up and then head to the west. I believe Jason
Starting point is 00:36:52 Tate and play like 15 games. He's just more double doubles than your guy. SGA does all season. So, I mean, maybe he's not throwing down dunks and have a explosion, but he's still playing unbelievable basketball. I mean, unbelievable. All wheels ahead. It's different when you can put a whole game plan together for somebody, though.
Starting point is 00:37:09 It's easy to knock somebody off on Tuesday. I can catch you on Thursday. I could catch you on a Saturday when y'all went out the night before. You can do all of that during the season. Y'all know how that is. When the playoff starts, everything changes. You get a big packet. You get a binder.
Starting point is 00:37:27 You get film out there. Hey, I don't know where they get all this film from. You get loads and loads of plays and seeing actions over and over to the point where, We get out there. We don't have to yell out what plays they're running. We don't have to think about it. We've been trained to do this. We have been running, drilling over and over.
Starting point is 00:37:45 You can't surprise anybody in the playoffs. And when that happens, sometimes those athletic gifts have to take over. That's the only question mark that I have by them. Right now, if they choose to keep leaning on Jalen Brown, he's shown and proved that he can do it all season. I would like to see how it looks in the playoffs. Didn't they have an exciting light five that they ran? Yeah, let's just say.
Starting point is 00:38:04 They had a white five, I think it was. They had a barping the wood, Iman. These guys were bopping the wood, dude. Got a European, just like Denny, you know, Hugo Gonzalez had secret weapon. Yeah, that classic white five. Yeah, yeah, they did. They had it. Yeah, they had it.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Missoula was like, you know what? Send them out there. You know what we're going to get here? They dominated. And they did. They did all that. I love it. Okay, so you just broke down a lot of things that happened in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:38:29 If everybody did that, I wonder how everybody isn't champion. But there's obviously one man who has been at the top. into playoffs since the beginning of ball seemingly of my life. Go ahead, Conrad. Yeah, Sean felt like the Lakers might roll into the playoffs, you know, feeling good and then Reeves and Luca go down. From your experience with LeBron, right now, is he just basically locking in remembering every play in the history of basketball so he knows what the other team is doing. What do you expect LeBron to do over these next couple weeks? People are already kind of pontificating that the NBA has made the schedule for the Lakers rocket series a little bit longer, maybe give Lucas. of some time to come back, but do you think
Starting point is 00:39:06 LeBron will even need it and do you see him just taking over? He's going to take over, of course. He has no choice. You know what I mean? And you only take over. He only has to take over in the respects of I'm going to lead us this way. This is what we're doing now. This is
Starting point is 00:39:22 what we need to do. This is the score we need to stay within until the end. And I can make sure I can get us over that finish line. What he's going to do out there is have a feel-out game where, yeah, He's going to come out, try and score it and do as much as he can to be aggressive and send a message. But he's also going to have to do the Andy from Toy Story.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Put Andy under everybody's foot and know how to play with your toys. You've got to know where Marcus Smart wants to be. I don't know how we get DeAndre Aden excited. But DA, it's time to get excited. It's time to start dunking and celebrating and yelling and where's the emotion. He's going to need that from out of all his guys. And people underestimate LeBron's willingness. to go down the line of anybody that's on his team and bring out the best in them.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Now, I'm not sitting up here saying LeBron's about to miraculously go out here and beat the Houston Rockets by himself or bring these guys along to do so. But am I going to say they're going to compete? Yes, LeBron will not walk into any type of competition and say, I'm just going to lay down. So whatever the Houston Rockets do, they better do something to start off the game, saying, sending a message to them saying, hey, this is not going to be that. This is going to be 4-0. Let's get him out of here. Don't give him any confidence because LeBron James is one of those guys.
Starting point is 00:40:41 I understand he's 41, but I didn't think he would be the guy that's healthy at the end of the year. And he's the guy that's healthy. Whatever he's doing to take care of his body is unbelievable. And if he's healthy and available, he is dangerous when he turns his back and makes decision down the stretch. Yeah, he's three years old. He, him he's three. Hey, listen, I went to his camp and got discovered. I was unranked, got discovered at his camp.
Starting point is 00:41:07 He's still playing, and I'm discussing this with you. That's what I'm saying? That's crazy. What are we talking about? This is ridiculous. Well, and then, you know, there's obviously the debate on goats. It's like it's two different leagues and two different sports, but it feels like it's been two different sports since the beginning of LeBron's career
Starting point is 00:41:23 versus the end of his career. You remember when he was super Jack LeBron, then he got super thin LeBron. Now we got 41-year-old LeBron, who's still playing massive minutes in doing everything. It's absurd. the professional athlete that he is, let alone basketball player and all. I think we heard on the team USA practices that he was like literally talking the entire time
Starting point is 00:41:41 every single ball hair, ba, blah, da, dot, dot, dot, that's the entire practice? Is that what it's like every single day with him? And is it just expected that that's what it? And how does Luca, you think, fit in with that? Or Austin or any other stars fit in with that? Because that's always the conversation about LeBron, right? That's why the big three thing was the thing. Couldn't win alone, but then people don't want to play with him, maybe.
Starting point is 00:41:59 It's like, what is it like being a teammate of LeBron? You kind of know that it's his shit. right you kind of have to yeah i mean obviously i mean no matter where where you see yourself on the rank list you're going to be under lebron james when joining his team the fascinating thing for luka and austin reeves was how beautiful is it to start playing during the season and then get the nod from a lebron james to say hey y'all take control y'all go ahead i'll take the back seat it's okay. Having him do that and be selfless in that moment to try and be, you know, relevant again. I can't say to try and be a contender. They just need more over there if they're going to be
Starting point is 00:42:42 contenders. It's a fun story. I just didn't want to say the wrong thing and make people think that. But it has been unbelievable to see him still doing it because I remember playing with him and having to deal with the frustration of it doesn't really matter where Iman is. And he doesn't really matter. his career because when you're on a team with LeBron James, you have to win now. There is pressure on you because there is pressure on him. He is that, and that's where you start to understand his greatness in the grand scheme. When there's people that don't want to play with him, there's people that don't want to play with him for a ton of reasons.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Sometimes it doesn't make sense within their career. Sometimes it's way too much pressure. Sometimes it's he's too ball dominant and I'm also ball dominant. You know what I mean? There's a ton of different reasons why you wouldn't want to play. It's not always a negative thing how people think about it. It's always, can that situation make sense right now? Because right now is always attached to LeBron James to say he has to win right now
Starting point is 00:43:46 or else we should fire this coach. The coach is on the hot seat. The owners have problems. The teammates are problems. Yeah. It's all type of panic when LeBron James is in the locker room. It's not his fault. It is to owe to his greatness.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Yeah, it's just like it's a part of the gift, you know? It's literally the cursing portion of that entire thing. It's like, yeah, bud, we've known you since you're 15 years old. So why don't you go win a tie? You're married everybody. Yeah. Aren't you better than. You're still healthy.
Starting point is 00:44:13 You might as well win a title. Hey, remember the Michael Jordan or LeBron thing? Yeah, my memory serves me right. Jordan won. So why don't you go? That's literally what people think, you know, because you only see the highlights. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's Michael Jordan won, though. You know, that's not like just something people say.
Starting point is 00:44:32 Where are you from again, Shump? Chicago. I got so many people. Listen, I was supposed to go to school. I was supposed to go to school, sad so many times that Michael George said, nope, we're not losing. I got nothing bad to say about it. Thank you for joining us, man.
Starting point is 00:44:51 We hope you'll do this again. You're the best. Man, whenever y'all need me, though. Hey, sorry about the whole I-Man thing, you know, because you can see how you see that. I am A-N, you know. Yeah, sometimes people want to think I am a man. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:45:04 It is what it is. Yeah, I do. All right, Eamon, thank you, man. Imon Schumper. Yes, go. NBA champ. Yeah. Legend.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Love him on TV. I do, too. Love him on TV. I also, I saw him walking through the arena, I think, one time whenever we were down there in Gainbridge. And I appreciated the vibe that seemingly followed. Yeah. You know, I love too.
Starting point is 00:45:27 He still does the, uh, throwback kind of COVID gimmick, suit up top, shorts down bottom. If it's weight up. So you saw him. Yeah. Final. I thought it was unbelievable. I was so happy.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Oh, yeah. Well, we were doing each other. Yeah. And I saw him. Yep. And I smelled the situation. And then, you know, I was like, this guy's the man. Okay, hopefully we'll interact with him at some point.
Starting point is 00:45:49 He's going on program. It can't be pronounced his name wrong. That can be. How can you know? Yeah, it's one of those. I'm sure it's been said a thousand times, a million times maybe. Shump. He said it.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Chuck, that's what I always... Yeah, exactly. He's never been a first name guy. He's always been last. Joining us now a man who we know his name, senior baseball contributor for ESPN, Jet Passing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:11 How you doing, Jet? Jump is like the coolest guy on Earth. Oh, my God. Actually, right? So you were seeing the same thing we were seeing, right? Oh, my God. He's majestic. And that's wild, by the way,
Starting point is 00:46:26 that he went to LeBron's camp. And LeBron is still playing. I don't, you know what, I'm sorry to do this and, like, talk about another sport. The fact that LeBron James is still, like, playing, let alone playing at the level he is right now, is one of the incredible sports stories of our time. Like, this guy started off in the spotlight at 16 years old with more hype than any athlete in American sports history and has not only lived up to it, but exceeded it. And I understand Michael Jordan's the best of all time.
Starting point is 00:47:02 LeBron's like 1B. He is phenomenal. We get Jet Passon's vote here. We just got Jet Passing's vote. Where are you from originally? I'm from Cleveland. Okay. Can we get someone who's not from one of these things the way in?
Starting point is 00:47:18 Well, he said 1B there, though, too. Yeah, it's true. I don't know. How old are you, Jett? 45. Okay, so I'm 38. So you're a little bit older as it was happening, but I was like right behind watching LeBron.
Starting point is 00:47:30 You know, I was like in the age of like three years younger, four years younger, great. It's like, how do you? In high school at the same time he was. Yeah, exactly. And he came to Pittsburgh with his high school team and played a Pennsylvania state all-stars. Everybody that's good in this entire state will play this high school. And then this guy came in, sold out the arena. It was like $5, $10 tickets at the beginning.
Starting point is 00:47:49 And then obviously he got to a point where it was just like standing room only. And it was like, that's before the internet. for everything. That's just like whenever old-fashioned dial-up, dial-up internet, something pops up. Kimbo Slices knocking somebody out. He's walking right into their place. He's walking right into their place and knocking somebody out, okay? No questions asked.
Starting point is 00:48:10 And then all of a sudden you're seeing LeBron James has a new deal somewhere or LeBron James did something else. There's a new highlight that has hit the internet. And it's like, a guy got a Hummer, I think, whenever he was like 16, who's one of the first deals. And then he had a Nike deal. And then now, so I saw it all, I think. So I kind of view it a little differently.
Starting point is 00:48:26 And I wasn't in the basketball world. It's like, I don't know how he's done it. I have no idea how he's been able to do it. And obviously people are going to say, he's made mistakes. It's like, yeah, dude, we've known this guy since he's 15 years old, literally his every move in a competitive sport where he is coming into your town in ruining nights for your team.
Starting point is 00:48:43 So people are going to say a lot of bad things. He's going to go through a lot of stuff. He's going to get a lot of money. We all know his story. He didn't come from a lot of money. He's going to put on all his friends, too. I didn't want to turn us into an entire, hey, LeBron is the man type shit.
Starting point is 00:48:54 but it's like, this guy. No, but he is. I don't think. Like that's the thing. He absolutely is. The fact that you can be in the public spotlight or a quarter century like he's been, I'm not saying like there haven't been moments
Starting point is 00:49:08 where there have been questions, but the questions on LeBron are such small potatoes. Like avoiding any sort of like real scandal in that time, being great, winning championships, being a good human being, playing with your kids. kid? Like, how cool is that? He has lived in incredible sporting life. And I think it's one that, because it's still
Starting point is 00:49:32 happening, maybe we don't appreciate it as much as we ought to, but over time, we're going to see it. And it's going to be right up there with Michael George. One A and one B. People are going to absolutely hate that we just did this for the last six minutes right here. But let's move along. Let's move along. NBA playoffs. He is the king of the NBA playoffs. He's been in there for 25 years. So that's, uh, is there a baseball version of a, of a, of, of LeB that have come through
Starting point is 00:49:56 the MLB kind of had these expectations and surpassed them? Yeah, Bryce Harper, I think. Like, that's the closest one.
Starting point is 00:50:03 He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at 16 as the chosen one. And, you know, when you have that right there, like, that's a lot. And Bryce Harper's been
Starting point is 00:50:14 nothing but awesome in his time in the big leagues. And in the same way as LeBron, frankly, I think, has conducted himself, generally speaking, in a tremendous manner
Starting point is 00:50:23 from start to finish. Hey, I have a question for you about the NBA because we're on there. Obviously, Jackie Robinson Day. Do we know in the NBA? Is that a celebration as well? Like what year and everything that was? I know it was around Bill Russell, because there's a story about Bob Coosie when it came
Starting point is 00:50:39 with the Celtics. They had the first ever player to break the colorberry in Boston. Earl Lloyd became the first black player to play in an NBA game on October 31st, 1950, says Google, debuting for the Washington Capitals, known as the big,
Starting point is 00:50:53 He broke the color barrier in a game against the Rochester Royals. Proceeding fellow Trailblazers, Chuck Cooper first drafted, and Sweetwater Clifton first signed in the same 1950, 1951. Okay, so Jackie Robinson in 1947 obviously kicks a lot of this all off for us. Me and DeBud actually started the show talking about how we wouldn't be afraid. No, we would obviously assume that humans and mankind in our country would get to this point, okay? But who knows? It's always going to take a person of action to go ahead and decide.
Starting point is 00:51:23 to dive into something that is going to be, you know, very difficult, especially mentally. Jackie Robinson getting celebrated every single year by MLB. We think it's very cool because it's a good time to chitch out about the sports culture as a whole and how often sports kind of lead the way on what the rest of society should be like. Jackie Robinson once said a life is worth nothing except for the impact it's had on others' lives. And I would make the argument that nobody in the entire world of sports. has had an impact on others' lives like Jackie Robinson. What happened in 1947 when you look back,
Starting point is 00:52:03 where the country was and where race relations were, it's incredible because Brantricky, who's the general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, he wanted to break the color parager, but he didn't want to do it with just any person. He wanted to do it with somebody who he knew to take the reams of crap, that was going to be given to him,
Starting point is 00:52:27 that there were going to be racist comments, not just from fans, but from fellow players as well. And there was a compact essentially between him and Jackie Robinson. Branch Ricky said, I need you not to get angry about this for three years. I need you to internalize it, everything you hear, all the awful words, all the racism.
Starting point is 00:52:47 You just need to be bigger than that. And that's an incredibly difficult thing to ask of anyone, but I think Jackie Robinson, understood that the impact that he could have, not just on sports, but on society, was so much bigger than whatever he felt, that he was willing to sacrifice those emotions and to keep them inside in order to go out and help facilitate this country moving forward in the right direction. And that's exactly what he did. The country is a better place because of Jackie Robinson's place in it. Hell yeah, and I'm happy we remember that. That's a,
Starting point is 00:53:24 That's obviously a huge part of society. And, yeah, a life worth living is your impact on others. I think it certainly rang true for Mr. Jackie Robinson. We're thankful for that. And sports are the greatest. MLB also hitting a time now where I think we've got some active baseball nights. Hey, I'm enjoying the hell out of the sport. Can't have a work stoppage.
Starting point is 00:53:47 No, you can't. I don't like that that's lurking right now. But where baseball is right now, feel special. Well, Ty has the last question for you here, Jet. Yeah, Jet. We're obviously going to have a couple days where, you know, it's really cold and the games kind of stink. And pitching has, by and large, dominated the first, you know, 10 or 12 games of the season. But over the last couple days, a couple days ago, nine guys have multi-homer games.
Starting point is 00:54:11 We have a bunch more the other night. Do you think now that the weather is getting a little bit warmer and we know how much velocity is out there? Like, are you expecting that we're going to see a lot more of these types of nights over the next? few weeks, especially with all these marquee stars hitting a bunch of homers as well? Yeah, I mean, just last night, JJ Weatherholter, Rookie had his first two homer game.
Starting point is 00:54:33 The interesting thing that I'm looking forward to seeing Ty is actually how ABS is going to impact this. The one number that is up significantly across the sport this year is walks. And so guys are being patient.
Starting point is 00:54:49 They understand that ABS is changing the zone. It's changing the calculation. of the plate appearance and how you go about that, you know what your strike zone is now. Like, you don't have to guess what the umpire is going to have it as. You know where to look for a pitch. And so you think that that should have some sort of an impact on offense going forward. And I understand it hasn't taken quite yet, but you're exactly right. Early in the season, offense tends to be brought down by the weather.
Starting point is 00:55:18 As it gets a little warm with the ball is going to fly a little more. and I think we're going to see it pick up. Yeah, and also these pitchers got to throw it a little tighter. They can't be throwing it as loose because they know that ABS can just kind of beat them if they want to. So maybe there's a couple more meatballs getting tossed right down here. Not nibbling as many edges, that's right. Yeah, you were nibbling the edges yesterday in Thunderball.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Yeah, I was. I'm trying. Jet, we created a wiffle ball light in Thunderball in here with a mind, some pickle balls is what we're pitching. Obviously a bat. And it's four on four teams of four. one pitcher, three outfielders. Obviously, rules of Wiffel Ball, get the ball back to the pitchers, man.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Dibut had a tough go. Yeah. DeBan had a tough go. He was a pitcher for one team. We'll say it was his team, and they got absolutely rocked. Showing. That's Nick Marado. He hit a three-run, home run off of Darius as he got sent to the dugout.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Nick would finish the game four for four with four home runs, including one grand slam. When you talk big bats, you certainly talk Nick, and then pitching, tie through a complete game. Ty, this thing was up to 74, 75 miles an hour at one point. I was going to say, is that tie up on the hill there? Yeah, yeah, yep, it was at the... Wow! The bump was at 38 feet is where the bump was.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Yeah. And tie through a complete game, and I'll tell you what, Bruce went on. Everybody went on. Big hacks, big swings, great pitches, big fun. That's Thunderball baseball. Ty, you were phenomenal yesterday, pal. Well, you know, hey, I tried. It was nice, you know, kind of loosening the wing up.
Starting point is 00:56:55 But I will, I'm pretty sore today. I threw about 60, 70, 50s. I was not expecting to do that when I came in yesterday. But, you know, when you see that wiffle ball dancing out there and, you know, you get the VLO up a little bit. Yeah, it felt pretty damn good to be back on the bomb. Yeah, you were lining them up, mocking them down. I mean, it was, yesterday was awesome. Me and Connor were running full commentary on this thing.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Look for probably a live stream of Thunderball within the next two, three weeks. if I had to guess. We're making graphics right now currently so we know so Connor and I can know everybody in there can know what's the count how many ounce do we have?
Starting point is 00:57:26 That's tough. The no scorebug thing, very tough for all parties if you're not really keeping track of it. But I'll tell you, when talk came in, talk went immediately from editing TikToks
Starting point is 00:57:36 straight to the mind because he was called in for the bullpen after Bruce Brown quit the team. Bruce Brown quit Thunderball yesterday after his second, third straight consecutive strikeout and then he couldn't throw a strike.
Starting point is 00:57:47 He quit, Talk takes his place, finishes an inning. Then he goes up to bat, gets a hit. Then he goes and pitches the next inning, gives up four home runs. So talk at a quick run. It was a tough day of Thunderbubble. We'll have to get you in here, Jet, to bring your own team. I have a team ready to go.
Starting point is 00:58:05 In fact, you guys had John Boy on a little while ago, I think. They have a whole warehouse where they do games like this. It's like a Blitzball game. And I brought my son, his best friend, a cousin of mine and his friend, and we went in there and whipped their asses. So we are ready to take you guys on. I don't think your boys are touching Tashman's heat. Yeah, I think they will light tie up.
Starting point is 00:58:33 In fact, I guarantee that they will absolutely crush him. With us commentating as well, how's the mental toughness of the boys? Because they're going to deal with Tye's mouth, too. the pitches and three guys in the outfield, all big mouths. All big mouth. Yeah, Ty's mouth is like his arm. It's just kind of mediocre. Oh, yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Hey, you know, you can say what you want, but you know what? When you get in the batters box, Jeff, and I fucking embarrass you, you know, then you'll be singing. Oh, I'm not getting in the batters box. I'm bringing in my ringers. Are you kidding?
Starting point is 00:59:09 You got to play, you tired. Oh, do I have to? I thought I was going to be on commentary with you. Oh, you want to. would like to, yeah. Okay, all right, I like it. Okay, all right, I like that's a good idea. You're the skipper of your team, you're saying.
Starting point is 00:59:22 Yeah, absolutely. Listen, I'm a talent evaluator. I find talent. I bring them in places and we go and wreck shop. Okay. Well, don't wreck shop, because Cody already did that yesterday with the help of the bone. Yeah. Did you see that?
Starting point is 00:59:34 Did you see what Cody did? No, I didn't. Did he take your belt back? Run the tape. It's my, it's Randy's title that he took out of here. It's theft. Okay. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:59:44 He walked in last night. because the boat what's so funny what's so funny it's not funny at all that's a fissioned that's a priceless maybe a million dollar photo right there
Starting point is 00:59:54 he just bust it up because he throws a little hisy fit now he shouldn't have been let in here we should have had to get him with a breaking and entering which I assume he probably would have done because the bone mopped
Starting point is 01:00:04 floor last night after a thunderball obviously a lot of sweat he hears a banging on the door he says see it's Cody Rhodes goes oh we go talk to Cody wait to you see what he does Jet wait till you see
Starting point is 01:00:15 with this asshole who works here does walk some rebate in go ahead don't worry about wow belt's right up there that's a that's a fireable offense yeah the bone said the cody said hey pat said i was supposed to come pick up the title and bone goes i don't know what it's real or unreal i didn't know and then it's like well bone how about when he picks up the fucking signed babe ruthbat and then starts busting through the desk maybe you go stop him he just just froze puff Bone's relay earlier this like, yeah, you know. Broke the pen. I don't know. It's two strikes
Starting point is 01:00:51 at least. Oh, in baseball. He's got one more and he's ponche. Foote was going to go out for charity too. Yeah. Yeah, it was. To save lives. Yeah, exactly. Thanks a lot, Bob. Then look at this. Yeah, thanks, phone. Shut up, Bone. Put your thumb done.
Starting point is 01:01:06 What are you for? Hey, bikes are a computer. All right, Jet, we appreciate you, man. Hope you have a good time. Are you going out to Mania Saturday night? No, I will not be there on. unfortunately, but I will be watching. You're supposed to be a wrestling mark. It's a once in a century. Maybe once in an ever.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Night. Listen, I understand completely, but, you know, when you got a new show, like I do with sources tell Jeff Passon now on YouTube, sometimes you got to put in the work, buddy. This guy. I like that. Good plug, too. Man, you get it. You got it.
Starting point is 01:01:38 First episode was fantastic with Scoobel and Skeens. Yeah, fantastic stuff. And Detroit just paid a guy, so that means Scoobel's got no chance to going back there. They got to pay scoobble too if he wants to go back there. It's going to be 400 million plus. It would be up to 500 million. It's going to be a lot of money, Patrick. That's JetPass, and we're back on the other side.
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Starting point is 01:03:18 hell you live, we are so eternally grateful for that. Now, if you're a wrestling fan, though, I want to let you know. And I see you. in Vegas, don't talk to me. Don't look at me. I don't like you. I hate you. Actually. All said. Sorry. Sorry. There's a title that was sitting here that's going to be hopefully back here if Randy continues to be as gracious as he is to me because he's obviously the actual goat. A man who has the most matches in the history of Monday Night Raw because he's not just showing up and being seen. Now, he's out there crafting, working, burying, dominating. He is the perfect WWE superstar. And on Saturday night at WrestleMania,
Starting point is 01:03:53 Las Vegas, those fans have no idea what they're seeing, though. They look a gift horse in the mouth. These bums don't even know greatness whenever it steps foot in front of them. So if I see you out of WrestleMania, no that I hate you. And that's fair.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Pretty simple rule. You guys are, you guys saying mean stuff to me. Uh-huh, a lot. I'm the hero in this entire thing. Got 25% off tickets for three days. Day one, thank you. Nope. Nope. Not one single
Starting point is 01:04:20 member of Cody Rhodes's family. You mean a Cody Cry Babies? Bingo. Seems like there's a lot of them. It seems like even people that maybe weren't Cody Cry Babies before. In the office, too. Yeah, in the office, obviously, that's a dipshit that just lets somebody in the building and says, I don't know what was real.
Starting point is 01:04:39 He said that you said. I'm not real. At two bone. Big for no. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And now, I will say this, you're lucky. You're lucky.
Starting point is 01:04:50 You broke a picture that can be replaced. But with that being said, this was a once-in-a-lifetime artifact that has Randy Orton sweat on the inside of it from the evening in which we announced together in St. Louis that we were going to save the business. That's worth a lot of money. More than 50,000, definitely. Way more than 50,000 dollars. You were underselling it. You said a million in the first hour. I think you could argue that's $500,000 to a billion dollars. You never know. Just like a pawn stars guy. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:05:22 You never know who's going to walk in and want this thing. It could be a billion-dollar piece of art. You never know. And this asshole comes in here and damages it. Oh, what's that? A felony. Okay? You get your title.
Starting point is 01:05:35 You also multiple level six felonies. Multiple happen in this entire thing. And you walk out of here with Randy Orton's title as if like you're supposed to have it. Possession is nine-tenths of the law, brother. It's been here for a while. Bingo. I think it was in Augusta, too. Also, the boys did a full photo shoot upstairs up there with it.
Starting point is 01:05:51 Yeah. It was kind of making it all right. It was ours, wasn't it? It was. It's cool. Radio Orton's going to handle you. Oh, big time. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Why didn't bone finish sweeping? He just, what happens? That's a great question, too. You got tired. No. Start passing out. So when he talked to me, when he called me, and maybe he did get a little tired, which could certainly happen a long day yesterday.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Whenever he said something happened, you know, the whole. Right. Sad sack. He told me the entire thing. I said, I think it's a crime. Like, I actually think it's a crime scene. So why don't you just get your ass out of there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Smart. Okay, so he didn't touch anything. We made sure, Foxy made sure to get a bunch of B-roll of everything so everybody can be seen. We didn't touch really the handle of the bat so that we can make sure fingerprint, definitely him, even though our security cameras in that top corner right there by the bison. I mean, that is just what it is. So we got it all here. You know, we're not pressing charges.
Starting point is 01:06:44 We're not those types of people. Maybe we'll see what happens on Saturday night. Yeah. But on that note, Randy will handle this thing. Yeah. Saturday night, Russ Man, available on ESPN, 2, the first hour. and then on ESPN Premium Plus Super Dooper. That's right.
Starting point is 01:06:58 Bingo. And you're going to want that. The Super Duper. Yeah. You're going to need that. You're going to need that. But you're going to want that too because all the things that are available. Try to figure it out today.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Definitely ahead of time. Let's not run into the old, well, I missed the hole. Yeah. Now, that might be me as well. At my house. You've got to figure that out. Toxic tables here at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. One half of the Hammer.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Cowboys AP Tony is here. Nine-year NFL vet. Darius J. Butler is. Yes, sir. Dee Butch, you've been a part of some action, you know, in the wrestling world down there at NXT. So you kind of know what it feels like to walk into enemy territory whenever you were disrespecting what they have going on. Remember, we had this in NXT. So you kind of get a feeling of what I'm walking into at a leader's day. I'll tell you what, I got to San Jose.
Starting point is 01:07:45 I'm in my bus, you know? Great to have a bus. Yeah. Good bus. I open that door. I see a bunch of people that hate my goodness. I'm like, oh, I forgot all these people are probably taking this pretty personal as well. And all of a sudden it is like, hey, this is me versus entire for the good of it.
Starting point is 01:08:05 And they don't even know that this is for the good of everybody's life over there. Actually, it sucks that you are helping them. Like, hold on now. That's kind of where it's like. Yeah. Interesting conundrum. Yeah, because my daughter about to be three. I would like her to be a wrestling fan.
Starting point is 01:08:21 So I'd like there to be a business. You know, that is thrive. be a fan of, yeah? To be a fan, yes. Yes. It's like Randy Orton can definitely do that. Don't go. Bingo.
Starting point is 01:08:32 The most dangerous three letters in all of sports, entertainment. Yeah. R. K. Imagine what he's going to do this weekend. We've been drawing them up. I've been loving. Hey, think about, you know, because he has the Seth Rollins one where it's,
Starting point is 01:08:48 yep. And there's obviously the top road one D, but's been drawing him up all itself. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Good call. Pick that shit up. You're right. Not all was lost.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Yeah. And we will if we have to. Oh, yeah. He will for sure. Hey, look at this. Let me set the picture for it. Like, I'm not actually, you know what I mean? All right.
Starting point is 01:09:09 It's for the good of all you. You need to remember it. Boom. European uppercut, a couple of those. Yeah, I mean, that was fun to kind of, you know, be Randy Orton there for a second. Get him in a corner. Let's go ahead and hit him with a few, Randy.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Let's go ahead and beat you. Boom, bang. Boom, bang. Let's go ahead and lace them in. I saw some good side by side. Yeah, thank you. I was really, I think I got, I mean, if I was here, you know, I'm trying to learn from the greatest.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Everybody should be doing that actually. Jordan Love, Brian Rogers. Bingo. Everybody in San Jose should have been doing that, trying to learn from Randy Orton on what the hell to do, how the hell to do. That's basically what the business should do. What I was doing, you see,
Starting point is 01:09:49 and I definitely thought about this as it was happening, I was showcasing what everybody should be doing. When you get a chance to watch, watch Randy Orton. You're watching what it's supposed to be. Yeah. This is who you should be trying to be. Take notes. Nobody else. You should be trying to be Randy. That's what it does. Saturday. It wins the 15th World Title and saves the business. Yeah, exactly. And you already know. I mean, you're not, no one's going to see the light.
Starting point is 01:10:10 You know, you've tried to help everybody see the light for the last couple weeks now. I mean. What have they done? Just said rude thing. Yeah, just potting. A lot of potting. I'm seeing a lot of potting, which I thought, you know, going into mania, we should be a gas up. It feels like potamania? I want WrestleMania, not Potomania. Which is why Randy's going to do what he's going to do. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner. And also, a man who's been a part of one of these before. The quality. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawke. How you doing?
Starting point is 01:10:45 D-Bone just put in a tough spot last night. I would say he failed the test, but he was in the tough spot. I thought after Cody was in there, you know, those left-handed cuts and really messing the office up. I thought we'd see DeBone come flying from behind, you know, cheap shot him or something. Yes. Yeah. That is what we all kind of
Starting point is 01:11:01 expected. Because when DeBone, DeBone explained it to me on the phone, he undersolded, obviously, because he wanted the conversation to end a little bit lighter than it could have been. Sure. You know? Cody came. I let him in. He took the title. What? What? What?
Starting point is 01:11:17 He says. He hits some things. It's hard and then I had to go pull the footage. Let me get onto the app. Let me look at the footage and then all of a sudden it's like you walked his ass in here to terrorize our office. What is even the question here? And then you've got to think like, did the bone and Cody set this up like long term? Because
Starting point is 01:11:35 potentially could see that. But DeBone was told that today is his day. Yesterday was his day to kind of mop. It kind of alternate. So if somebody else is working, does it just so happen to be that day or did it just so happen to be that day? You know what I mean, H? Yeah, we need a lie detector test in there. You got anyone
Starting point is 01:11:51 out there that can bring one in and book them up? Yeah, because I thought it was someone else's day. That's a good idea. And he volunteered to mop for that person yesterday. Okay, so that would be a different conversation than I would be privy to. I don't know. Let's move along here. Okay, somebody who might have a little bit more to say is a lady who not only is phenomenal in the WWE,
Starting point is 01:12:10 on top of all the stories, a part of all the stories, and incredible public speaker, also massive NHL superstar. Ladies and gentlemen, Jackie Redman. Yeah, Jackie. Hi. It has been way too long. You got to get better security over there, Pat. I'm shocked at the footage I've seen today. So outside, we have blurry footage, which, by the way, I think it's on auto focus. I don't like that. I don't know. And it wasn't focused on the right thing. There was a truck parked outside gate. Okay, we got construction going on. He jumps over gate. Gates not tall enough. We need to raise that thing. Yeah, we do. Tony Rhodes should not be able to jump over our gate. No way. Randy Orton, for sure. He can jump over all.
Starting point is 01:12:53 Not Cody Rose. So he comes over gate, runs up to door. I genuinely wonder what the plan was if we don't have the traitor. Yeah. Cabone doing that at that time, Jackie. I genuinely don't know. So he can't get him on breaking and
Starting point is 01:13:08 entering. It could be trespassing because he comes onto our property. I'm looking into all of it. I won't press charges. Randy Orton's going to handle him at WrestleMania. Jackie, go ahead. I was just going to say, I look forward to seeing how you handle business with this because there's a lot of layers to this now. Thank you, Jackie. Speaking of
Starting point is 01:13:27 the business, me and Randy about to save it, how has it been and how do you feel just a few days out of WrestleMania? What are you most excited about, especially for the things that have been brewing over the last year? I think brewing is putting it lightly, especially over the last few weeks. And I, you know, I don't want to make it all about what's going on with you and Randy. But one of the things that I do love about WWE is when we go from everything being sort of black and white to to being very gray. And right now, I'm enjoying kind of figuring out like, who's team
Starting point is 01:13:58 Randy and Pat here and who's team Cody Rhodes? Like, where is everybody? And I think that behind the scenes backstage, people are very divided. And in fact, today, you know, I'm in Buffalo, I'm about to do the Sabres and Stars game tonight. Last game of the season means nothing. So there are
Starting point is 01:14:14 probably going to be a lot of just shenanigans happening on the broadcast tonight. But even Eddie Oldchuck, the great Eddie Old Chuck, is tapped into what's going on, you and Randy and Cody and he told me that if I came on here and did not tell you that he is pledging his allegiance to Pat McAfee and Co that I wouldn't be letting the buildings tonight. So I am here to report that Edzo is in fact team Randy and Pat. He's for some reason irritated with Cody Rhodes.
Starting point is 01:14:42 I am of course objective. I am a professional journalist. I don't take sides. But you do have the great Eddie Olcuk on your team. Edzo has a break. Yeah. That is why. Eddie, oh, I appreciate you.
Starting point is 01:14:55 I got one of his boys' sticks hockey stick in the Thunderdome. I appreciate him doing that. I'll be excited. I'll send some texts out to you. Wayne, you know, we'd like to hear. You know, we'd like to hear. We'd certainly like to hear from others in that world.
Starting point is 01:15:08 And we'll certainly talk about the NHL as we go forward, which you are obviously a pillar of. But let's chitch out a little bit more about mania. Obviously, punk and Roman, main event on Sunday. Oba, Brock. It feels like it is stacked and packed to be a two-night spectacle. How do you feel? Oh, I'm so pumped, especially for Oba Brock.
Starting point is 01:15:27 Like this match is going to be insane. I cannot believe the energy in the building when Oba Femi shows up. Like Brock Lesnar is one thing, and he's had that, he has had that aura for quite some time. But Oba Femi is a bona fide effing superstar. I can't remember if he'll have to swear on your show or not, so I avoided it there. Jockey, you do whatever you want, Jockey. You do whatever you want. I'll say, you won't let them fire me.
Starting point is 01:15:51 You won't let you don't know about that actually. You should do what you think you should do. You very quickly went from out to whatever you want, Jackie. It's never mind. No, it's your world. I just do not want to ruin your world. You do whatever you think you should do. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:06 Yeah, I'm excited for Obafemi. I cannot believe, like, how quickly this guy has become an absolute superstar. He is such a force. I can't wait to see what happens there. I think it's going to be absolute insanity. So I'm really looking forward to that match. If I was, obviously, both main events are huge draws. And see them punk and Roman, you know, every time they get on the mic, it's phenomenal.
Starting point is 01:16:30 I'm sure you have your own thoughts about punk right now, Pat. Of course. Rightfully so, rightfully so. But I'm actually, I think Brock Oba is probably in my top three for the matches that I'm most looking forward to. Like, if you're watching and you're a casual wrestling fan, you don't know Obafemi. like he is a reason to pay the price of admission at WrestleMania and if not at least tune in on ESPN and watch this guy in action because he's a monster like he's he's awesome and he's taking on the beast you know so
Starting point is 01:17:01 the alpha male of the species taking on Oba it is uh you're going to be spectacular first hour on ESPN now this will be following obviously something happening on Saturday night go ahead AJ yeah obviously Jackie we know Saturday night we're all we're all circled you are the main event Cody Randy everything that's transpired Pat will be in tow I guess you're you are an objective journalist you've got to play it right down the middle but honestly
Starting point is 01:17:25 how do you see this match going is this going to be a marathon match obviously we think Randy is going to win we all believe that you believe that and I guess I don't know how do you think like the pacing of it's going to be a high energy like high octane match high flying like what's going to be like I don't know what to expect in terms of the pace of the match because there are so many, like, unmitigated factors. Like, I don't know, Pat, what your plan is coming into the weekend,
Starting point is 01:17:52 but I do know that you shocked the world when you showed up on Friday night Smackdown. Like, nobody saw that coming. Nobody knew that Pat McAfee would be the guy on the phone with Randy Orton. So for me, I feel like you guys, you and Randy have been planning things for a while. You guys have been talking. I don't pretend to know the content of those conversations for, sure other than what you've told us. But I think the fact that you were able to keep that under wraps for as long as you did means that you guys are able to put a plan together. And so I am a little
Starting point is 01:18:24 nervous for Cody Rhodes here because nobody saw you coming. So what else is there that we might not see coming? So the intrigue for me is sky high. But you know, Cody Rhodes, Cody Rhodes is a well connected dude as well. So I don't know if anyone else is going to show up. I don't know what's going to happen and how far either of you are willing to go. But it feels like, it feels like you and Randy are dead set on quote unquote saving the business. I, I don't know if the business needs to be saved, but you guys are, okay, Jackie. Okay, Jackie. Okay, Jackie. You guys are adamant about your goal. So I think whenever people come together with a common goal, it's a dangerous thing. So I don't know how far you're willing to go. How far are you willing to go, Pat, to get done what you think needs to be done?
Starting point is 01:19:15 Listen, I'm like, to the end of the earth. Hey, you know what? You're right. Because of saving the business, honey. Exactly. I got kids. I got a kid. I got kids. I want the future of this business to be strong. Thank you. Thank Randy. On that note, Jackie, you're talking like I'm pulling strings here. No, no, no, no. I'm motivating the greatest all time. Okay. Okay. Plan. I mean,
Starting point is 01:19:44 plan's an interesting thing. You know, whenever you get on a horn with somebody and you say, hey, listen, you're the only one that can do this. You're the guy. He's got kids. The next generation. He's third generation wrestling, or a wrestler, star. His family's business.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Which way is this thing going, Randy? Huh? Which way? Is this going, right? Or are we going wrong? Okay. Like, which way? So I'm just a motivator. You know, Randy, most matches in the history of Raw, most matches in the history of like everything, guy who's been there, done that through everything, youngest ever champion, phenom comes from the business, is made for the business, he'll be the one that'll figure it all on how to win 15 in there.
Starting point is 01:20:23 Just know, though, I don't know, you saw me working on my European uppercutts, right? Yeah. Boom! And boom! Boom! Right there. So, you know, I'm in good shape. So there's a chance Cody could catch some of those, but I'm not getting my guy disqualified
Starting point is 01:20:36 ever, you know, and I'm not getting booted because I definitely want to be in there in the middle of that ring doing exactly what we did in San Jose. So I'll be smart, obviously, and Randy will do his thing, and if I need, Jelly should not have came out. No.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Go home, Bubba. Yeah, he should not have a lot. This isn't your fight, Pa. He should not care. That's a bad idea. But I appreciate all the angles in which you spoke of there, Jackie. And you tell those people backstage
Starting point is 01:20:59 that whenever the business is better, they'll be gone. So everything will be good. Yeah, you go ahead and tell them that. Okay, do I need to tell myself that? Do I need to start worrying? No, Ms. Jackie! Come on.
Starting point is 01:21:13 Come on. Miss Jackie. TBD. You never know. We don't know what you're doing tomorrow night. We don't know what you're doing tomorrow night. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the hockey.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Obviously, NHL playoffs are electrifying. They are, I'm very lucky that I'm from Pittsburgh that I got a chance to watch these growing up, obviously with how great the penguins are. I'm from hockey ton. So obviously, I understand this. but I think the casual viewers of hockey, people that maybe don't watch as many, they tune into the playoffs and they think to themselves,
Starting point is 01:21:43 wow, is this the fastest, most electrifying, most physical sport of all time? I think the Olympics, having the final that it had with USA, Canada, with a lot of America tuning in, is going to bode well for the playoffs because you're going to see a lot of similar style of hockey in the playoffs. How do you feel going in? What are some of the big storylines?
Starting point is 01:21:59 Obviously, penguins are going to win again, but what do you think people are going to fall in love with with this NHL playoff series is? The penguins are in, and how about those flyers? Those flyers are playing pretty well, boys. Jackie. I got to say, I know you don't want to hear that, but I...
Starting point is 01:22:13 We covered that series, okay? I made a deal with the governor of Pennsylvania, Shapiro, when the Penn's win this again, okay, against the flyers, who haven't won a cup since 1970, something like that. Nobody alive has seen them win a Stanley Cup, so we're not very much worried about the flyers, but it is good for hockey that they're in there, giving it all they can't.
Starting point is 01:22:37 That's right. Yeah, it's good that they're dancing again, you know? It is. It's good for the game. And you know what? You said it best coming into this. It's like even the most casual hockey fan will say like Stanley Cup playoffs are the best. The first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs, it's chaos, it's drama, it's physical, it's feisty.
Starting point is 01:22:56 Like people that don't watch hockey all year tune in to the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs because they know it is going to be electric. And I think that that's going to be turned up times 10. this year, especially in the East, because the East is a bit of a wildcard this year. We have a lot of the heavy hitters that have been in the playoffs for the last decade that aren't there, right? Like we got no Panthers, we got no Leafs, we got no Rangers. So there's a lot of teams back in the postseason in the East that haven't been there for a
Starting point is 01:23:25 while and a lot of the big dogs that actually aren't in the postseason in the Eastern conference. So I think that anything is possible when it comes to the East in terms of who is a going to make it to the conference final and who's going to represent the East in the final. So for me, that is super exciting because there's always upsets, but I think the potential for there to be Cinderella runs and craziness in the first round is even higher than usual in the East. So I'm very excited to see it. Obviously, the Buffalo Sabres are a massive story.
Starting point is 01:23:57 If you're not paying attention, they haven't been in the postseason in a very, very long time either. But they're in now. They got Yarmal Kekalinen, the general manager, who, is a straight up Finnish G running things. When he took over, he went in the room. The Finnish G. Is that like a heck?
Starting point is 01:24:14 Yeah. Is a Finnish G? Yeah. I don't know what that is. He's a gangster. He's like a straight up G, but he's from Finland. So I just added the finish part. I don't know how you would say that in Finnish.
Starting point is 01:24:28 But he is the man when he took over earlier this year as GM, he went in the room and he went, none of you guys are safe. I don't care who you are. care how much money you make like just know that like anybody can be traded here anything can happen so you guys better like get your shit together um so yarmokekekekeleinen is awesome lindy rough is the head coach they're they're doing amazing things in tage thompson who we saw at the olympics uh with team usa is one of the cornerstones of that franchise so we can see him again
Starting point is 01:24:57 um this postseason so i think buffalo is really excited for that and i think american hockey fans should be really excited for that too. So Buffalo is a big story in the east. And then over in the west, I mean, Colorado is the top dog, Nathan McKinnon and the boys have been a favorite all year long. There's still like all of the teams
Starting point is 01:25:16 are set, but some of the matchups could still change tonight. There is a very, very, very, very small chance that we could get Nathan McKinnon versus Connor McDavid in the first round, which would be wild. I think the Oilers want none of that. I think that's a terrible situation for them. But if it
Starting point is 01:25:32 happens, it's a good situation for hockey fans to see those two powerhouses go head to head. But a lot has to happen tonight in order for that to happen. So probably won't happen, but there's a small, small chance that it could. And then in the Central, I just feel bad for the other teams in the Central. Like Dallas and Minnesota have been two of the best teams all year long. They're going to have to face each other in the first round. And then the winner is probably getting Colorado. So that's a super, super tough path.
Starting point is 01:26:01 but I love the Dallas stars. They've been knocking on the door for a while. They have some injuries. So that might hold them back. I remember Otter and Madonna down there, the good old games. Yeah, we got the 99 tarps for the playoffs too, boys. Look up.
Starting point is 01:26:17 For those that don't know, that's Gumpy. He's from Victoria, Canada, which is north left Canada. He's a Miami Dolphins fan, a Miami Hurricanes fan, a Boston Red Sox fan and a Dallas Stars fan. And Liverpool. Sorry, you never walk alone over there, pal. So he has been a wonderful. riding with Texas hockey for a while. He likes them a lot, but I think you even understand the reality
Starting point is 01:26:35 of Colorado, right? Isn't that kind of how you've been speaking, gum? Yeah, it's a tough row, but Ranting and Ragdaldum last year, he'll probably do it again. While they're a physical group, though, it's going to be a tough battle in the first round, boys. Okay, let's stay in the west, Jackie. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Jackie, John Tortorella takes over for the Vegas Golden Knights, and a lot of people, I don't know, maybe thought it was just kind of like a side show, hey, get through the rest of the season here. They have not lost since he took over. How much does this change the outlook for the Golden Knights moving forward in the Stanley Cup playoffs? Listen, I think it's, I actually think it's massive because Vegas has really been
Starting point is 01:27:12 underwhelming all year long, right? Like, even though they're a playoff team and everyone wanted to talk about, oh, my God, they fired their coach and they're in a playoff spot, blah, whatever. They have not been performing to their standard all year long. Like, this is supposed to be a contending Stanley Cup team and they didn't really look that way. Like, yeah, they looked like a playoff team, but like 16 teams, or playoff teams. They're not all necessarily bonafide cup contenders. So for them to get Mitch Marner to have all this hype and then really underperform for most of the year by their standards
Starting point is 01:27:41 is the reason that that move happened. And anybody that follows Vegas knows that they have been that way since their inception. Like they are not afraid to fire anybody. They're not afraid to trade anybody. Like they are all about business and winning. So in terms of the move, though, like Tortoella was kind of the perfect guy because his reputation has always been. that he squeezes every ounce of juice out of his roster until they get sick of him. And he's new there right now. So I'm not surprised that they got the torts bump that they're playing really well. But I think it's dangerous for whoever is going to have to face them in the playoffs
Starting point is 01:28:17 because they were already a cup contender. Now they've had this very, very late season change. It's obviously working. There's a renewed energy, whether that's directly from torts or just the fact that it kind of woke the guys up and had them start playing with a little more gumption, to me makes them dangerous because they already had the roster to do it. Now they've got someone leaving the charge
Starting point is 01:28:39 that's got them fired up. I don't know what Torts is doing over there, but he is somebody that even fires up viewers, right? So if that guy's coming in your room and getting the best out of you and you're already a contender, I mean, this guy got the best out of the blue jackets. John Tortorella is the one that led the underdog blue jacket.
Starting point is 01:28:58 Yeah, the crap shite blue jacket. Yeah. To a math, remember they got swept the Tampa Bay Lightning when the lightning at the time had put up one of the best regular seasons in NHL history. They got swept by the damn blue jackets. Yeah. Tororella is very good at getting the most out of his players. And Vegas is already a contender. They were not an underdog.
Starting point is 01:29:20 No way. So like the fact that they're playing like this, to me, scary. Yeah. And they have a good path. Yes, they certainly, as now, I don't know what's all been punched in. And Ty certainly loves to hear that as a Vegas. old Knights fan. Do you remember that what was the mascot name for the Columbus
Starting point is 01:29:34 Blue Jackie or Blue Yachtet or something? Yeah, Blue Jackie. Buzz or something? Blue Jackie is definitely not what it was. I think it might have been. It was Blue Jackie. Yeah, I think it was. Was it? I think it might have been Buzz maybe. Oh, Stinger is the name. Oh, Stinger. Okay.
Starting point is 01:29:54 I knew I'd get there. He was bopping around at Ohio State game day first week, you know. And I just always remember the blue jackets being ass. So I immediately go, hey, what's up? Your ass? I know that. And then all of a sudden there was an immediate like, mm-mm.
Starting point is 01:30:09 I know, we're actually good now. And they did the entire thing. But I remember towards everywhere he goes, it's always like a lightning rod, right? Isn't it like he doesn't get along with the media? Fire. You say he gets everything out of them. I guess he goes in there and he's pretty. Yeah, great A asshole.
Starting point is 01:30:24 Yeah, that's what they say. Yeah, he is super accountability driven, I think, right? And the way he goes about it, he doesn't have like, feelings, emotions about like, hey, this is how we win. This is what we're going to do. He's not scared to be like that either, right? I think that's a difference of him. Yeah, that gets spot on. And I think, like, you talk to guys that have played for him, both current and former
Starting point is 01:30:42 players, and they all say the same thing. Like, you know where you stand. And I think as a player, and Pat, you can speak to this. It's like, when someone is direct and black and white and is like, hey, you're not playing, this is why. Or, like, this is why your ice time is down. X, Y, Z. They give it to you straight.
Starting point is 01:30:59 John Tortorella is somebody that, and I've talked to guys that were like, I don't like him, but I respect him because I knew exactly where I stood. I knew why I was in the press box. There was no gray area. There was no question marks about like, why isn't this guy playing me? Like, I'm not going to, you know, I talked to a player about a month ago who told me that like his coach wasn't even speaking to him. And he wasn't sure what he needed to do to get into the lineup, right? And so sometimes there's murky water there where like, you know you're not liking your coach's good graces, but you're not really sure. why or what it is that you need to do to kind of get your ice time back or or get back in the game.
Starting point is 01:31:34 And with John Tortorella, I think his players, even the ones that maybe didn't enjoy their time playing for him, understood why he was making the decisions that he was making and understood the reasoning behind those choices and got direct answers from John Tortorella himself. So I think there's a level of respect for the fact that Thorntz is going to maybe make decisions that you don't like, but you're always going to understand why he's making those choices. And I think that that's a sign of a really good coach. Because at the end of the day, I think all anybody really wants is transparency. And kind of a plan of like, listen,
Starting point is 01:32:09 your ice time's down because of this. If you can do X, Y, Z, like, it will go back up. And then it's on you to kind of execute as a player. So I think for Torts, yes, he is a, he is hard-nosed. He will tell you like it is. He tells you straight, no BS. And sometimes you're going to like it. and sometimes you're not going to like it,
Starting point is 01:32:27 but at least you know that he's always being real with you. And so I think a lot of players respect that about John Tortorella. Yeah, we understand that type of coaching style well over in the football world, obviously. There's different ways to go about doing it, but that has been a proven way to win in sports since the beginning of time, basically. It's like, hey, if we're all doing everything right and somebody is not going to take any shit or anything less than that,
Starting point is 01:32:47 probably going to be good if I had to guess the teams. But some coaches play mind games, right? Like, there's coaches out there that, like, aren't super direct. And they very rarely win, I think. They very rarely win. So it's like, I appreciate and respect the way Torts goes about doing his business. I also appreciate the fact that they're going to win. And I think that Vegas Golden Night change room, I think those boys are okay with a little bit of accountability over there.
Starting point is 01:33:08 Yeah, without a doubt. And I think there was a clip from right before they brought in Torts. And it was like someone was, you know, giving everybody, you know, nucks before they were going back to the change room. They had just gotten beat. And everyone was basically like, fuck this guy. Like no one gave him anything. And it was just like something's going on in the locker room. there.
Starting point is 01:33:25 Wasn't good. Yeah, it's just something is very weird. And then torts comes in and now they're arguably the hottest team in hockey. I don't think that's coincidence. You, slow as shit, can't get on the ice? You, can you receive a pass one time? You, I don't trust you with anybody's family. I mean, there's no way.
Starting point is 01:33:40 Weirder. Just torts coming in and being like, nope, no, no, no, you get the hell out of the way. Can't be on the ice. They don't trust you. He can't trust him with the park. Can't trust them with the park. Can't trust them watching the kids. Can't trust them on the fucking ice.
Starting point is 01:33:54 There's nothing we can do. By the way, just on that note, when I played college football, I was very lucky to play for Rich Rodriguez. Rich Rodriguez is a, I think he in Tours probably pretty similar. Sure. If I had to guess, there's a new mic up coming out of Rich Rodriguez. He has evolved a little bit, but it's still in there. It's still in there.
Starting point is 01:34:14 At the beginning of the video, he goes, you guys just line up right behind the fucking tackle. It's very simple. Let the tackle figure it out, and then you line up behind the tackle. 35 seconds later in the video, he goes, behind the tackle, behind the tackle. And then the play happens, he goes over the same group, he goes, and that's all me.
Starting point is 01:34:33 I thought you knew it wants center, guard, fucking tackle. It's like, it's still in there. Back in the day, it would have been a little bit more. It would have been a little bit more delivery on him. But like the way they think and the way that they expect and would like perfection is why those teams are always good. You know, like those coaches seemingly,
Starting point is 01:34:54 always good. Now, if you don't win, players will revolt. That kind of happened to the Bill Belichick coaching tree. Guys would leave the coaching tree, going to a new place. I'm Bill Belichick. This is how it's going to go. You lose. And the players go, first of all, you're not Bill. We suck. And this sucks. That is you get people out of there. So I'd assume a big part of torts this thing is he has to win, or I assume that gets bad. I'd assume that's probably why it ends the way it does in certain places, Jackie? I think just, you know, anytime you're dealing with someone that,
Starting point is 01:35:26 you know, has a high bar set for you and isn't afraid to kind of be direct and tell you how it is and maybe be, you know, hard-nosed, as we like to say, in hockey, I mean, that runs its course anywhere, right?
Starting point is 01:35:40 Like, you just get more and more comfortable with someone and if they're barking at you all the time, like eventually, you know what, I'm tired of this guy barking at me. Like, I don't like it. And so, you know, it happens everywhere. So I think, and even, you know, Bruce Cassidy is a fantastic hockey coach, right? Won a Stanley Cup with the Vegas Golden Knights.
Starting point is 01:35:57 But he is somebody that demands a lot of his players. And I think over time, anywhere, no matter who you are or how good of a coach you are, it's going to happen anywhere. So I think that's just part of the business. And hopefully, you know, for Torts and the Knights, they can make something magic happen soon. Because, you know, Vegas, they'll fire their coaches. in a month, they'll fire torts after six weeks on the job and have no issue with it. You love the high expectations, don't you, tie?
Starting point is 01:36:27 As a Vegas Golden Knights fan. Absolutely, they should be winning or going to the Stanley Cup every single year. And that's what you've done. Everyone should have those expectations, no? Everyone should. I love that. I wish the Leafs were a little bit more hard at it. Never going to happen, Jackie.
Starting point is 01:36:44 They could have used a little of that. Yeah. Went for the last hundred years. Yeah. I'd say. I wish the Red Wings had that. Run it back. Can we stop running back the losing? How about that? How's that for an idea?
Starting point is 01:36:55 Okay, I have an idea, too, that needs a little bit more information. When was the last time a Canadian franchise has won the Stanley Cup? Oh, you want to guess? Because I can give you the answer, but I'd love to hear your, can you want to take a guess, Pat? It's been a while, I'll tell you that.
Starting point is 01:37:12 When was there the original? Who's the captain on the Penguins? Okay, that's been that long. Where did he grow out? Where's he from? You're talking about Nova? I'm talking about Sidney Crosby. One of the greatest players of all time.
Starting point is 01:37:24 What are you talking about? He lifted Lord Stanley for the Penguins, right? Oh, shut up. We're talking about Canadian franchises. Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about with just great Canadian players that helped our team. No, we're talking about the Olympics? We're talking about, okay, so we don't need to get into the Olympics.
Starting point is 01:37:39 He's got a silver medal in his ears. He can't hear us. Oh, my God. Oh, he can't put it. And more on the way. And more on the way. Only like 40 more. you catch up.
Starting point is 01:37:50 Okay. Yeah, exactly, exactly. The last Canadian franchise to win the Stanley Cup was in 1993. 93, the Montreal Canadian. Wow, let me tell you about that. La Habitant. You know, we talk about decisions
Starting point is 01:38:06 that have to be made at the coaching position. Down here in America, we'll bring in the accountability-driven coach. Okay, we'll send him around town. Hey, you got kicked out of this place. This guy's too hard nose. Some American owner goes, yeah. That's our guy.
Starting point is 01:38:19 won't take a guy and then they come in here and just hoist lorda all the time Florida Florida they don't even know I don't even never can't have ice outside no in drinks Texas you got a winner well we did have the winter classic in Miami that that was outside yeah but they used special stuff for it was a naturalized yeah they need to start doing that more because they win more Stanley Cups than Canada yeah so I mean I know to think about okay let's pivot away from in the NHL playoffs, which are going to be spectacular. I can't wait to watch.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Dee Budd has the final question for you. Championships and nothing down there. Hockey Beach, so, you know, she said the East is wide open. You're welcome. But moving away from hockey, since I am out in the Stanley Cup playoffs, let's go back to Mania. We're talking about, obviously, this upcoming weekend in Vegas, but I want to go back.
Starting point is 01:39:08 What's your favorite mania moment? I know mine, 40, Philly, that pop when Taker came out. Unbelievable been in that crowd. What's your favorite mania moment over the years? That is a really, really good one because I don't think most people saw that coming. And so when you heard like the dong, it was just like, what? That is insane. My first, or my favorite mania is probably my first mania with the company, which was in Dallas, when Stone Cold was in action. And I was standing like 30 feet from Stone Cold being up on the top rope, smashing beers together.
Starting point is 01:39:43 Pat, I think you were lying on the floor. I can't remember. But that was my first, that was my first mania. That was my first ever mania with the company. So selfishly, that has to be my favorite because it was just like I had one of those rare moments where you actually stop in the present moment and actually have the realization of like, how did I actually get here? Like, how is this my life right now? I felt that in the moment.
Starting point is 01:40:09 And so that only happens every so often. And for me, that one was really, really special because, you know, 10-year-old Jackie would not believe that she was going to meet Stone Cold Steve Austin that day and then watch him smash beers live from the floor. So that's my favorite one selfishly. If it means anything, Utah 10-year-old Jackie, that old 10-year-old Pat had no fucking idea. You know, that was going to be happening as well.
Starting point is 01:40:35 Yeah, it was a special night, obviously. Let's get back to that. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Let's get back. Can I ask the final question? Is that okay? Sure, sure.
Starting point is 01:40:44 I just, Pat, just like if you could snap your fingers, Everything goes exactly the way that you and Randy want it to this weekend and into the foreseeable future. What does WWE look like if Pat and Randy get their way? Like, paint that picture. Jackie, if you're 10-year-old Jackie would be excited to know about Stone Cold Steve Austin meeting you and being a fan of yours and everything and that would make you excited. You understand that what wrestling is, okay? You understand what it's supposed to be. And at the top of the cart, you know, that is what everybody is striving to become.
Starting point is 01:41:20 Okay, it goes all the way back. Sam Martino did it for a long time. Andre did it for a long time. Hulk did it for a long time. Obviously, you get into Stone Cold Rock era of carrying the company. And then you got Roman Raines carried it coming. John Sina carried the company. When the top looks how it's supposed to look and acts how it's supposed to look,
Starting point is 01:41:39 everybody else falls in line, you know? So you understand what is, Jackie. You get done doing an interview with somebody. they stumble all over themselves, their ass, and then you're told to send it back, and you're like, how the hell is that what this is? You say it. I know you do, and your brain is a professional speaker.
Starting point is 01:41:54 So whenever the top looks how it's supposed to look, everybody else kind of falls in line. And Randy Orton's right here. This is exactly what it's supposed to be. And that's all I've been saying is like, hey, Randy, you're the only one that can really make this look how it's supposed to, for future generations here. And he might be, you know, in his career pretty deep here.
Starting point is 01:42:16 We got a lot of time to save the business, especially with a super motivated guy who's 280 pounds. Oh, my God. I will say, I will say, I do think over the last year that not enough people in wrestling and around wrestling have been talking about how close Randy Orton still is to potentially breaking the all-time world title record. Like, he is still active. He is still amazing. And I know, you know, we had John Cena's retirement tour and we had him break through out. like all that stuff is important. But I feel like Randy did kind of fall into the shadows a little bit.
Starting point is 01:42:48 Like, hey, this guy is still wrestling. Yeah, Jack. See? Bad ass. You get it. And we're not talking about him being so close. Like, he could still break that record. And I will say, I maintain my objectivity and have no sides here.
Starting point is 01:43:03 But I do think that that was not getting enough attention or play over the course of the last year that Randy is still right there. Yes. You get it. Thank you. I knew I was speaking for people with brains. And this will be good for the future. And Randy knows it. He knows the weight on his broad-ass shoulders.
Starting point is 01:43:20 Yeah, he didn't have to lie about his numbers up there. No, not one bit. And in between his ears, in between his ears and behind that ridiculously handsome face, massive wrestling. He is good-looking. He is good-looking. Did Cody- Yeah, Jackie.
Starting point is 01:43:35 He is the W-WE. This guy is 6-5-275. He won. walks into a room and everybody goes, holy hell, what is that thing? Oh, that's the WWE World Champion. Of course it is. Did Cody change that graphic when he was in here last night? 6-2-22? Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, we did some job of, we did some measurements on what Cody is, especially, you know, being in the ring with him. Anyways, we appreciate you, Jackie. We'll see you in Mania. It sounds like you understand it. She gets it. Yeah, even though San Jose
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Starting point is 01:45:36 I can already sense them. We're a three and a half hour flight away. I can smell them. Yeah, they're massing already. their stenches just floating over. Disgusting. Like a fog. Yeah. Remember wildfires?
Starting point is 01:45:52 Covers the entire country. That's what happens at mania. All these people get together. And it's crazy. Next Monday, Tuesday, look out Ohio. Yeah. Pennsylvania. Yeah.
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Starting point is 01:46:18 There's a sponsor in front of this thing. I've never seen this name before. Tonight, 7 p.m. Eastern. I can't go over. You got it. You can't do it. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight, 7 p.m. Eastern. We have a million-dollar pickleball series of games taking place that'll be headlined by a two-on-two by the who's-who in tennis and pickleball.
Starting point is 01:46:44 Tonight at 7 p.m. is the Aries Pickleball Slam. Four. Joining us now is a man who's falling in love with pickleball because of the pickleball slams. I don't think he's ever lost. Ladies and gentlemen, tennis icon, future pickleball icon. Andre Agassi.
Starting point is 01:47:04 Yay, Andre. How you doing, man? Well, those are very generous words, my friend, and a lot of assumptions there. Well, I heard you fell in love. with Pickleball. The last time we talked to you, I think, was Pickleball Slam 1. That part's true. Fair enough. That part's true. Saying I'm going to be the future of it somehow is, you know, I don't know, a lot of good
Starting point is 01:47:25 players out there. Okay, so how much have you learned about the pickleball community since Pickleball Slam 1? Because I think you only played for a couple weeks leading into that. Then you got, obviously go on TV, you win. Tennis pickleball used to have a thing. It felt like the last time we talked about it. Now I'm hearing you have fallen in love with pickleball. You actually view it as a beautiful thing post tennis is what does it sounds like and tonight you get another chance to do that. Is that all accurate? And why have you fallen in love with pickleball? Yeah, it is. The, you know, the earlier slams of, oh, I mean, I fell in love with pickleball because it's like, it's just added a lot to our lives internally as a
Starting point is 01:47:59 family. I mean, it's, I mean, we're actually making friends now. It's hard to do it at my age, me and stuff. But the truth is, it's a low point of entry. Nobody's intimidated to try it. Everybody gets better quickly at it. It brings community together. There's a lot, a lot of gifts to it. It's a great physical outlet, believe it or not, and mentally, it's also requires a lot of lock-on. And in this slam, it's different, too, because we got the tennis thing with me and James Blake, but we also got the Annalie Waters and Jeannie Bouchard, who played professionally. So it's a, you know, they want to promote his battle of the sexes, but to me it's a celebration of pickup ball, breaks down gender barriers, you know, cultural barriers. I mean, just love it. We're looking forward to it.
Starting point is 01:48:39 Yeah, James Blake will take on Annalie Waters. I don't know if you know this, Andre Agassiz. and then in a two-on-two later, you and James Lake will take on Annalie and Jeannie Bouchard. The Anna Lee is really good at pickleball. She showed up at Radio Row, and we had a little bit of a... A little bit of a pickle here. She is very talented. I don't know how much film you've watched. I was able to go a little bit here.
Starting point is 01:49:02 We're rallying. Okay, we're on stage. She's going to hit me with a little top spin number that's really going to drop quick. I think you need to be prepared for this late. It seems to be her strikeout or ponche maneuver. right there. That was it right there. That thing said goodbye right after, you know, it cleared my desk. She's unbelievable. She is the phenom, right? 165 gold medals. 168. 168 gold medals.
Starting point is 01:49:26 38 triple crowns in pickleball. She is like the one. I'm excited she's a part of this, but how much have you interacted with her? And what are you expecting tonight at 7 o'clock? Take it easy. I got to play against her in a few hours. You're freaking me out here. No, I've played you. I played both her. I've played against her. I've appreciated watching her. I mean, it's obvious what, you know, what makes her so good, which is pretty much everything she does. You know, the question becomes, you know, how does that sort of match up against a few things that we can do? And I think the jury's a little out on that. I mean, the discrepancy in tennis from male to female is pretty relevant from the standpoint of strength above the shoulders. but in Pickle, the ball never gets up there anyhow.
Starting point is 01:50:09 So I think the Delta is a lot different. I think we have our work cut out, but we also had the luxury of being able to watch them a heck a lot more than they've watched us. So we're looking forward to it in a lot of ways, but it'll just be data for me to take in and hopefully inspiration to keep getting better. Excited to watch you try to cook in the kitchen
Starting point is 01:50:27 against the world's greats. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Andre, what's it like playing with a partner here? Obviously, one-on-one, we know you can hustle around and do everything, but when you have a partner, a strategy on which balls to hit, what not to hit. I know the little bit of pickleball I've played with a partner. Sometimes you get in arguments with your partner saying, hey, that was mine.
Starting point is 01:50:44 You shouldn't take that one, all of that. I guess how do you work through all of that on a big stage like this? Yeah, fair enough. Well, James and I have rallied to play together, you know, a handful of times leading up to this. And the good news between our games, they're very defined in what we do well. I mean, his athleticism is crazy as forehand, as huge, as quick hands are as fast-twitched as anybody I've seen out there, and the guy can still cover a lot of real estate. So we kind of have a pretty framed-out way that we can sort of work together.
Starting point is 01:51:15 I know exactly what to expect from him. He knows what to expect from me. I wouldn't say it's nuanced in its versatility, but it is something that has to be stopped. So we're looking forward to, you know, to bring it out there. But you're right, not knowing your partner is a huge disadvantage when you're out there in real time because you're not sure what you can count on and what you can't. But with James, it's pretty clear what you can count on. and that helps me know a lot easier
Starting point is 01:51:39 where to be on the court under different scenarios. Do you have a rating or a score in the pickleball world? I don't kind of officially because that just requires my ADD I think doesn't allow me to focus on the score.
Starting point is 01:51:57 Yeah. But no, I enjoy finding games where I'm the worst one on the court. which is getting harder to do. But at the same time, the levels just keep getting higher and higher. So that's when you really improve the most in Pickle. It's like if you're the best one on the court, like go find another court. You don't improve that way.
Starting point is 01:52:23 When you start seeing new sort of people that can hide the paddle face to last second, it's crazy how one tool changes a lot of dynamics. So I'm getting into the strategy of it a lot more now. And, you know, hopefully have enough of it. ability to not bring somebody down who plays better than me. Okay, so hold on. Did you just give away a little gimmick that you're going to debut tonight, potentially on Annalie and Gina?
Starting point is 01:52:47 What is the hidden, you're turning that thing backwards, and then what is the move that you trick you just found? Because maybe we add this indoor pickle. Mm. You're asking me what trick I have. I don't have many tricks. The question is, you know, how late can you sort of change your mind with your paddle face, right?
Starting point is 01:53:05 It's those are split seconds, but the distance and proximity of players on a pickle court is so close that that, you know, that last second change of shot is, is very important. And, you know, and speeding up in tennis, we speed up when we see opportunity to end points, you know, and pickle, you speed up to set up the end. So you kind of have to unlearn a few things if you're a tennis player. And you, you know, you try to create opportunities sometimes being a little bit calmer. So it's a challenge, you know, mentally. for a tennis player to transition a lot of ways, but in other ways it translates pretty comfortably. So it's a give and take.
Starting point is 01:53:42 I cannot wait to watch 7 p.m. The pickleball slam four, brought you by Ares. We'll be live from hard rock, Semino, Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida. Love that place. Oh, yeah. Gorgeous. Absolutely love that place.
Starting point is 01:53:55 I heard you have some history down there, too, Andre. It's a classic venue. I mean, I've seen Metallica here playing this venue to red-out chili peppers. I mean, forget about it. It's intimate, but it's, but it's, it's electric. It's, it's big enough, but it's not daunting.
Starting point is 01:54:16 It's the, there's not a bad seat in the house. It's, it's a great venue to play, and that's why we're thrilled to be back. Metallica, red-hot chili peppers, Andre Agassiz, James Blake, Anna Lee Walter, and Jeannie Bouchard, Pickleball Slam 4. We can't wait to watch 7 p.m. on ESPN. You're the man, Andre.
Starting point is 01:54:35 Thank you, buddy. That's all I missed that there. You too. We agree, Andre. Oh, you, dude. Annalie Waters is a problem. She's never, like, lost. Yeah, I think.
Starting point is 01:54:49 But Andre sounds like he's figured it out. Yeah, my money's on Agassi. He's taking on Jeannie one-on-one. James Blake takes on Annalie one-on-one, then they do the two-on-two at the end. I think the two-on-two at the end is the one that decides. It's like a warm-up match and then I get into it. Sorry, go ahead, AJ. No, I can't wait to watch.
Starting point is 01:55:05 I love Agassi. I read his book back in the day. Beast. Yeah, he's a weapon. I can't believe he enjoys coming on her show. We're very thankful he was back. Pickball Slam 4 tonight 7. We'll watch. We'll see it tomorrow. Goodbye. Foo. Nice. How to get a lot in there. Got it in. Because I am intrigued to watch it because we know that the girl. We know he's the one. She's the one. Mm-hmm. So I'm thinking about I'm not a big tennis guy above the shoulders. Obviously that's serving. Yeah. What else? Or steak and bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. So now that evens the plan. Mostly. Mostly. Mostly serving. I think. I think. thinking is going to be, the kitchen is where
Starting point is 01:55:39 Pickleball is like. You played, Debo's played, right? Yeah, yeah. I know. You know, like, it kind of takes away pickleball kind of neutralizes athleticism and power and all that. It makes everyone like more of a level playing field. Yeah. But on that note, I do think they do hit AQ, speedballs, I think is what AQ
Starting point is 01:55:55 calls it, because AQ has a score. Yep, he's rated. He goes, it graded there he is. He goes and plays at country clubs against people. He has a little tag team, a little duo that they do. They wake up early and go do the whole thing. He's in there, in there. And watching him kind of go, I'll go, I'll score now. I'm scored this. I'm ready to this. This guy's
Starting point is 01:56:12 this. Somebody's really good. He'll say, for instance, this guy's this, he's this. But he said the speedball is the game changer. Because you've got to hide the speedball. Speedball is when you just hit it at the person, and all of a sudden they just get right out. That's the game. Yeah, that's AQ's game. I don't know if that's everybody's game. AQ is falling in love with the pound people with the ball thing.
Starting point is 01:56:28 Sure. We had a good run. Great run. Incredible. Now we got Thunderball. You got a better one. I'll tell you what, Thunderball was the name of the pickleball. It was. It was. It was. Rebranded. Now Thunderball is a wiffle ball game. AJ, you would love this game. I think you'd
Starting point is 01:56:44 be very good at this. You should get maybe a Centerville Elks team together. You, Herbie. Bobby. Not technically from Centerville, but. Yeah, something to think about. I need to see a Tyverse Herbie. Yeah, Tyvers Herbie would be incredible here at Thunderball. I'll tell you, tie through a complete game yesterday.
Starting point is 01:57:01 72, 73 miles an hour from 38 feet. Okay, that ball's coming a little bit. It's not to hit possible. Yeah. He might... Nick really went four for four with four donners. Yes. And a grand...
Starting point is 01:57:11 One of them being a grand slam. I believe you had nine RBIs. I don't know if that will ever be top, folks. Ty was dealing, though. Yes, actually. It was a great time. And we're, you know, figuring out the rules as we go. The bat off your shoulder, Foxy.
Starting point is 01:57:27 I just was honestly baiting Ty to throw three strikes in a row and he did it. Yeah, that was incredible. That's why Talk became your guys' this pitcher because he was the only one on your side that could throw a strike. Accurate. Bit of a quick hug. A house on meatballs. Bit of a quick hook.
Starting point is 01:57:41 On yourself? Yeah. Bruce really took, there it is, bang. Talks, his form is off the check. Dirty was good at game, though. I mean, I know we're showing a strikeout right now.
Starting point is 01:57:52 Dirty was great at game. Hit a home run in the park home run and an actual home run. And talk had his moment in the sun. But inevitably, he would get shelled in the next inning. And talk almost based home run. Go on, two RBIs. Hold on, go back to talk running from third to home. Change the direction is awesome.
Starting point is 01:58:11 Oh, my God. He runs into the wall. He runs into the wall. Here he comes. Watch him put on the brakes here and redirect. He's going to round third. He's currently on second. Let's watch him.
Starting point is 01:58:20 Oh, my God. I got time. I got space. Sideway, sideways. Missed. He missed it. Such an ope. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:58:28 Oop. Good game, AJ. It looks awesome. And then the Thunderdome was sabotaged by a Comeback. I don't like that that happened at all, by the way. No, it's bullshit.
Starting point is 01:58:41 There's just glass shreds, shorts everywhere. I like how you said. He looks like a righty, swinging lefty. He did, didn't he? I mean, it looked like it. I'm guessing he is a lefty, right? You tell me, after looking at that swing. After you said that, it made me rethink if he's right here lefty.
Starting point is 01:58:56 It really did. Well, honestly, I'm going to say that regardless. You know, that was going to be something I was going to say, no matter what. Him walking out with the goddamn computer. got that computer for 10 years. Yeah. That computer is the old faithful computer. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:09 Look at the stack of papers. It's been there's the first paper. We're lucky to knock those over. Yeah, it did look like he was kind of in a little bit of like a blackout, like anger. Yeah. If he would have, he didn't even know. No. He probably thought that was a part of the table.
Starting point is 01:59:24 Oh, whoa. Fingerprints. Oh, oh, geez. We know who it was. All right. We got him on camera. Hey, watch yourself, Pat. This guy's got bar.
Starting point is 01:59:31 I know. He busted a bat off the desk. He's not a lot of touch. you, right? That's the rules. Big Gambino. Bingo. And also, De Bonn, you're good at making graphics. Not the best sweeper. More security.
Starting point is 01:59:49 Well, or being a team eater. What was going through Bone's mind right here? What he saw? Oh, shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Put it down. Put it down. What is it? I'm sorry. I don't know. Need more ketchup? I think he was in on it. He's in on it. He knew it was coming. Oh.
Starting point is 02:00:04 Oh. I'm with the edge. It has, I mean, it's inside job. Maybe Bone didn't think the cameras were on. He thought he had a Wi-Fi jammer or something. I walked them in. You think you said, go do whatever you need to do right there? Yeah. Yeah, he said, I mean, how do you know you're gone?
Starting point is 02:00:18 I thought he was just stupid, you know, like, because he said, Wow. It's a thunderstorms too going on last night. So he's like, oh, man, got let Odie Odie O. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I think. To get cold or get sick.
Starting point is 02:00:32 Yeah, it's going to be freezing. That's what DeBone said? Yeah, sometimes DeBone, you know, he likes Cody that much. He did, at least. I mean, I don't know. I remember he was all about him when our tribal chief won. Oh, and look who, look, mm, in this cute. Oh, Jesus.
Starting point is 02:00:51 Fept. Felonies, multiple. Now, he's flying on some private plane. Look at private plane must be nice. Yeah. We're on Southwest heading out there. Exactly. That's what we do.
Starting point is 02:01:06 Three connections. For the good of the fucking Ozone. Grit. That might be bad for Ozone. Three connections. Yeah, maybe. Three connections. I'm not farting out there like, Cos.
Starting point is 02:01:18 Yeah, it was more people. Those planes are going to plane. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, there it is right there. I wonder why he grabbed the computer. I don't know. I mean, that's just classless. And he ripped the cord, by the way, off the back that connects it to the entire thing.
Starting point is 02:01:34 Got had to fix the cord, thanks. Didn't even add that. Oh. I kind of pat your shoulder like hey well done. Thank you. Just like we talked about. Thanks to bone. Fucking asshole.
Starting point is 02:01:48 Hey, bone. Bone. Bone. Why don't you go ahead and grab your iPad? You know? Me coach upstairs. Get him out of there. Don't come near me.
Starting point is 02:02:00 Please. Stay out there. Stay out there. Stay out there. Don't go anywhere. He's going to the snack drawer. We all know it. I walk past the snack drawer or something.
Starting point is 02:02:07 somehow. And he's on his way out. Okay, good. He is much more of a gentleman than we thought. Resigning before we have to fire him. It's probably going to get caught. That's phenomenal stuff. It is. Thank you, Bone, for doing that. For taking the decision out of my hands. Yeah. Yep.
Starting point is 02:02:28 Because that's treason. Oh, yeah. You kidding? Big time. Punissible by death. In some countries. Firing squad. This country. How much money is.
Starting point is 02:02:37 thing worth age, if you had to guess. Remember Rick from Pond Stars, you never know. I would say 10 to 12 million. There you go. Do you know what that does whenever you talk about destruction of property and stuff like that, the value? Oh, yeah. It starts at 50,000. What did you say? 10 to 12 million. That's a, that's, I'm underselling it too. It's probably more. That's what I'm saying. This thing can get, and I'm not a big, I'm on press charges guy, but this guy's in jail for Saturday. What is that? Randy Orton wins?
Starting point is 02:03:06 Yeah. Victory. I'm not doing it. Ray Horne will handle you. Yeah. Oh, man. Hey, if DeBone comes walking out
Starting point is 02:03:14 Saturday night, we know this is a bad deal. If he comes walking out with Cody. Yeah, we will know it's a bad deal if he does that. What's his music? Does he have music?
Starting point is 02:03:25 WWA Superstar. I thought he came out to his dad's music. What's his dad's music? He also likes the Dom. Minot. He likes that one too. Okay. All right. I like that song as well.
Starting point is 02:03:43 Yeah, I mean, he just said that's his favorite song right now. Okay. We have some people within the business reacting to the security footage. Dan Hisen said this is CGI.I. It probably isn't even Cody Rhodes. Could be anybody. Probably Matt Cardona Housen. It wasn't Cardona Housin. Okay. Indy God didn't come walking in here straight out of a death match and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, with his bat and hit this thing. Okay? That was the American nightmare, Mr. Housen.
Starting point is 02:04:14 And I think you got to do some realizing on who these people actually are. That's right. I'm not worried about him. Dan Housen knows what's good for the business. Yeah, he does. Dan Housen knows. I still wouldn't get very close to him.
Starting point is 02:04:25 Sounds like he's blinded by Cody. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This type of thing could potentially be distracted. I need to stay away from that thing. Yeah. Exactly. Randy, it's okay. Can't be cursed.
Starting point is 02:04:36 Perfection cannot be cursed. Bingo. But I need to, for, to go to my being out there in Vegas, which I would like to be positive vibes because we're going to save something. Yeah. Got to have the right mindset for that.
Starting point is 02:04:49 Sure. And also, I'm a motivator of Randy. Randy can't see me. No. No. No. No. No, that's no.
Starting point is 02:04:56 No, I can't do that. There's no reason for me to be any part negative towards Randi. The only thing I've done is positive for Randy. I think everybody kind of agrees with that. Yeah. I think even a wrestling community is everything that I have done has been positive for Randy Orton. They love it.
Starting point is 02:05:10 Yeah, putting him over all this time. I mean, what else can you do? In the lead up to this. What? What? You heard. Put him over all the time. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:05:27 I do put him over all the time. Yeah. Anytime I went in there. Yeah. Spend a bunch of money around him. I did that. Yeah. We did that.
Starting point is 02:05:38 We are fans. And we just want to motivate him. to make the business better than it's ever been. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. All right, AJ, we're going to get the hell out of here. We got a Thunderball game to play.
Starting point is 02:05:50 We got to clean up some glass. Yeah. And we got a Thunderball game to play. Pickleball slam four tonight. 7 p.m. on ESPN. NBA last night, obviously had an incredible night of playing games. It was electrifying.
Starting point is 02:06:07 Obviously what LaMello Ball did to the Miami Heat drove some conversation. today about what was ethical what are we doing here? Yeah. I'll say this, that was an electrifying playing game. Yes, it was. Shout out to Charlotte for providing that atmosphere environment and that
Starting point is 02:06:24 game. I'm telling you, the baby was the sixth man on the court for the Hornets. He was on the court. He's about to pick up Lamelle. Go on the Mel. He's picking him up down there. Pick him up, send him out there. That's what you need. You need the city showing up like that, obviously in a big way. And then Portland's got a guy. Yeah. We've been
Starting point is 02:06:40 watching them all year. We've been talking about this guy. That's right. Trying to tell you. All year. He's been a pro for nine years. Now, Turbo. We've been talking about him.
Starting point is 02:06:48 Avdia. Yep. Avdia, Avdia is a problem. Okay? And it was nice to see you last night, pal, because what he was doing was just spectacular. It was a fun game of basketball to watch him go for over 40 in a play-in game.
Starting point is 02:07:03 And also potentially learn about his existence at the same time. Yeah. That was a fun little playing game. Now, remember, if you lose these playing games, you find yourself in a position that is like completely screwed. You're in the middle of the NBA. You're probably not going to win the draft lottery. You're not going to be able to rebuild because the amount of money you spend.
Starting point is 02:07:20 You're kind of in a purgatory situation. But if you get hot during a play-in and go on a playoff run, you can miraculously turn your franchise into a much better franchise over the course of what, two months basically. Is that Portland? And then they got Dame Time coming back next year, right? Yeah. So Dame Time and Avdia on the same team?
Starting point is 02:07:40 Yeah. That could be good. And then obviously Charlotte gets the win. Tonight, though, magic Sixers. Steph Curry taking on the Clippers. Now, Clippers' conversation has been loud off the court all year. Yes. Kauai's playing?
Starting point is 02:07:57 Kauai's healthy? Kauai's good. Best year in a while. And what we've been told is all Kauai cares about is the playoffs. Yes. Yep. So let's assume that Kauai Leonard goes bananas tonight. And who on the other side?
Starting point is 02:08:09 oh, Stefan Draymond, Dremont, a guy who we now know will punch somebody in the face at a meeting. Yes. Okay, off the court. Yeah, on the court, he'll do it. Off the court, he'll do it. And for that, we have to
Starting point is 02:08:24 genuinely show respect for a man always being the same person since the beginning of time. I think that's up. And Steph Curry coming back from injury, lighten up the hoop. Is he going to be able to lead Golden State from a 10 seat into baby in eight seat after playing?
Starting point is 02:08:38 And then you know the Orlando Magic. Here we go. They got a lot of good guys. Oh, yeah. They got all the guys. When they're playing basketball, people go, wow, those guys, they know basketball. Paulo's a dog. Paulo Banchero.
Starting point is 02:08:56 He's so good for the Orlando Magic. And then the Sixers, I mean, Paul George obviously over there. We love that. Tyrese Maxie, Vijay, Edicom. Really, a fun team to watch, honestly. Because Maxie can float. Yes. Flats.
Starting point is 02:09:10 Yes, he certainly can. Yeah, all right. So tonight we got two more incredible playing games. Maybe we'll be able to see the entirety of it. It won't be technical discourse. Oh, doubt it. Anything about that? Huh?
Starting point is 02:09:23 Have they much talked about why it happened? What's going on? Sorry. They said computer went down or something like that. Hardware in the truck. Yeah, it's hardware in the truck. So a computer or an input or something went down. Now, there is a chance.
Starting point is 02:09:35 And I'm not going to say this. But whenever you're doing a live broadcast, And we have found ourselves now talking about this multiple days. We're not going to act like we are the experts on this, but we have certainly done it in a variety of fashions, strictly off a generator, off of other power, bringing in a truck, being in the back of a truck. We've done a lot of, we've been a part of a lot of boots on ground
Starting point is 02:09:52 live productions in place. There is so many things that can go wrong. So many things that can go wrong whenever you're doing live events. That's why the CBS Masters 18th whole thing, it's like, we have no idea if a camera just glip, like just bliped for 30 seconds. Well, why did it do that? No clue. Well, it's resetting now. It's like, well, how long is the reset for it?
Starting point is 02:10:13 We don't know. It should be pretty quick or whatever. It's like those types of things happened. They came out and said something in the truck kind of crash. You would obviously hope that it isn't like a timer was set, you know, not expecting potentially going overtime, which we have seen happen before. I've called a game and they had the lights on a timer. And they didn't expect the game to go as long as it didn't. All the lights turned off because it was on a timer. Then we had to wait. That was East Carolina. I think it was East Carolina. I believe it was East Carolina. We had to wait until the lights came all the way back. That was like the old school lights.
Starting point is 02:10:42 It took forever. But they had it on a timer. And somebody was like, you can't. Like, that's something you don't even really think about. So there's a thousand things that could happen. They said they had a hardware issue with this entire thing. Whatever the case, it seemingly can't happen. You know, like that is especially in overtime, your first run with the playoffs.
Starting point is 02:11:02 And it's in the final minute of playoffs, basketball that matters. basketball that matters and it's good like 24 seconds. We missed a bug game. Yeah. So, but on that note, a lot can go wrong. So anytime you see these things go live,
Starting point is 02:11:18 there are people riding the tech in the back like a bucking bull. Yeah. You know, like there's been, there's been shows that we've been a part of where the truck has lost all cameras. They don't know, but it's still somehow shooting out to live TV.
Starting point is 02:11:35 So it's like, like, what do you mean the cameras of, the truck has gone by? We can't see what the feeds are, but the feeds are going to TV. And it's like, okay, so what are you going to do? We're going to stay on the wide shot because we can't see any of the other feeds. It's like, well, how long are we there for? Okay, we're resetting. We're resetting.
Starting point is 02:11:53 And it's like, that just is all happening all the time for all these games. And I think everybody just assumes it's all figured out, but it's like, you got a lot of humans in a place. A lot of humans are like, a lot of tech, a lot of set, a lot of shit happening. And obviously we should get perfection, especially whenever you're spending billions of dollars on something. You should want perfection as well. But it's like with tech, it's a fickle fucker, man. Tech is a really, really fickle thing, I think. And we've seen it now.
Starting point is 02:12:16 Masters potentially, even though Jim Nance said the students are being made in real time, potentially something else. He didn't really give an answer. And then with Amazon, it's like we lose some valuable time there. It's like tech has the answers too. There's nobody telling the tech what's happening. The tech is telling us what the problem is from our experience, basically. Yeah, for sure. Going back to Jim, Nancy,
Starting point is 02:12:36 he talked about the ultimate team player when you talked about, like, the broadcast and everything going on, how he handled it was beautifully. Like, gave a great answer, but also stood up for all of his people behind the scenes. Yeah, because that can happen that he knows at any time, and it's probably been so much chaos in his ears before.
Starting point is 02:12:51 Hey, we've lost five cameras. We got two cameras. Let's go back to 18. That's all we got right now. Nothing's happening at 18. Yeah, Phil Jim. Phil. All to go to fucking eight.
Starting point is 02:13:00 You know, those things happen. Like, that's why there's people in the truck. you see sometimes there's like chaos. They'll only show you the shots when everybody's like just kind of... Yes. Merry Christmas to our families. You know?
Starting point is 02:13:14 But in the corner, you'll probably see somebody sweating. That's the tech guy. And he has had something happen that he has no idea why it's happening. He can guess there's an in theory. Sure. This could be the case.
Starting point is 02:13:26 But with where we are in technology now, it's like they're kind of trying, they're telling us. Got to fucking figure it out. Dude, I know. Am's Bezos. Figure it out. Especially NBA.
Starting point is 02:13:35 You got how many different things you got to have to watch your NBA? Oh, yeah. Celtics are on four different platforms to start to pause. That's a completely different conversation. But if you are Amazon, thank God it happened yesterday. And not on Saturday or Sunday when it's going to be some of these six verse three. Like if it's a playing, sure, and it does suck. It was overtime.
Starting point is 02:13:55 Like, come on, figure it out great game. But like if this was tie game, LeBron versus KD, 30 seconds left, like just as bad then. Now, I would like to say, before the NFL went to Amazon, Amazon was their first streaming partner, Amazon had to prove multiple times that they'd be able to handle a game. You know, because platforms dropping, breaking, busting, overloading. I mean, we've been a part of a couple of those just in our, we take our podcast to a new platform. All of a sudden, the thing crashes, you know, and it's like, that's a good thing, I think. But also, hey, how do you let that happen?
Starting point is 02:14:31 We're working on it right now. We are recoding everything. will be back up and running or whatever. And then that company sells for like... Yeah, well over billions of dollars. And it's like, well, wait, I know... Good for you, man. Good for you.
Starting point is 02:14:44 But on that note, the people that get it in the back end and get into the coding thing and all that stuff, it's like, I don't even think they know everything about everything at this stage. You know, there was that... What was that documentary? It was on Netflix about what Algos and everything are doing for you. Oh.
Starting point is 02:14:59 I forget the man. One that scared everybody away from phones and kids with phones. Yeah. Yeah, that one scared me a bit whenever the Google person came on and was like, nobody knows what, why it's happening. Social dilemma was the name of it. Some guy from Google comes in and goes, nobody knows why the Algo's doing what it's doing right now. We can try to like kind of, we can say, hey, this is actually a good thing when you do this. But it's like, it's going to decide whether or not it wants to do it and whether or not our prompts are the right prompts or not.
Starting point is 02:15:23 It's like, we're kind of just in their world. Now, granted, when they're operating, like, right, I mean, just looking right now. I mean, we got PTSD, PTSD. Yeah. I mean, my God. The amount of wiring, though, that goes to every single thing. thing that has to be perfect. It's like, it's a crazy thing.
Starting point is 02:15:36 Can't have it in overtime. No. Can't have it. And also, if we're going to have it, I need something better in elevator music with technical deal. That would help them too. I need something, I need something better. Because they had to choose what that was.
Starting point is 02:15:50 Oh, like the YouTube TV. The Zen thing. Give us a Zen thing. Yeah, the Zen's not bad. No, it's not bad at all. I'm in the mountains. Yeah. Nice garden. Beaver laying on his back at some creek somewhere. Instead we got,
Starting point is 02:16:04 just terrible song. Good luck out there, streamers. Good luck. We appreciate you investing in sport, though. We'd like that to continue to happen. But yeah, that is where the old legacy brands who've done live events for a long time kind of have, they've been through the war so many times.
Starting point is 02:16:21 But even they mess up. All the time. So it's like there is... Shock that doesn't happen more often. From what we know now. Yeah, from what we know now, I don't know how it does happen. I can't remember that ever happening with an NFL
Starting point is 02:16:32 game on a network maybe in my lifetime. At least in the last 30 years, I can't ever remember there being any kind of glitch in an NFL game. There's like triple check, double check on everything too. That's probably how they got to this point of what they got. Because anytime
Starting point is 02:16:48 there's a live broadcast, it feels like, well this is a bit overkill. This is a bit overkill here. Do you need all of this? And they're like, if you better have it, they don't have it. And it's like, I guess so. But even those go down. And then a trans, from one to the backup, the transition from the regular to the backup is its own thing anyways.
Starting point is 02:17:07 Do you even, I'm telling you, if we were right a book about all of the shit that has happened whenever we do the live stuff or what we've seen, these shows should not be up on the air. No. I mean, Jackson State is, that was where Coach Prime was, right? Yeah, Mississippi. We were in a, there was no. Yeah, you said there was like no infrastructure for internet. No, no, no, we were out there. And somehow they said, we're in Montana.
Starting point is 02:17:32 Hannah. It was negative 13 or whatever. Had to cut the generator to the heater because we ran out of power to be able to send the signal out there. I'm like, are we on the air right now? Because none of the TVs are working that we can see. Cameras, yeah, right, can't see. Who knows if those are on? And it's like, are we live on air? Like, yes, everything's still going.
Starting point is 02:17:51 The heater's not working. The lights aren't working. That's not working. But we are still sending in the stream. It's like, how? I have no idea how it works. And the tech that's doing it is like, we're the captain's now. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:03 Seriously. We got your back. Until we don't. And on the flip side, all that, we have streamers walking around the entire universe, and they're perfectly streaming 4K quality anywhere they want. That makes no sense either. Yeah, they got a backpack guy next to them with a Live View. Plug directly into a phone.
Starting point is 02:18:21 I think they have to go to places where Live View is big, though. Yeah, I don't think those are flawless. Live View is a collection of phone services made into one particular thing. It's a device. It's a little block. You can put it on your back. We've looked into it a couple times for our live shows. That was speed.
Starting point is 02:18:35 You were touring Africa? I think all of them. And that might have been Starlink, though. That might have been Starlink, wherever it's at. It was like $30,000 backpacks, right? Well, it's the box that's really the box inside that you're buying. And then the backpack, obviously, I assume there's some radiation protection. Oh, I sure hope.
Starting point is 02:18:55 I assume there has to be something. But yeah, it's great technology. I love what they're doing. Those streamers, man. That's a full commitment. full commitment of your life to entertainment and I respect it, I do wonder what long term what happens, you know? That's a lot of time on air.
Starting point is 02:19:12 Oh yeah. A lot of time on air. And just broadcasting where you are, nonstop. There's a lot of wackos out there. Yeah, old buddy got punched yesterday. Exactly. Yeah, that's, yeah. And on that, I know, we're done here. We gave away too much on where that was. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:19:32 If you're going to take somebody's title, I guess you shouldn't just display it all over the place, unless you know it's yours anyways. Yeah. Cody, that title can be sitting in your plane, but you know where it's headed. Randy Orton's shoulder. Saturday night, WrestleMania,
Starting point is 02:19:47 we cannot wait to get out there and change the business, save the business forever. Stack card should be a blast. And if I see you in Vegas at one of these wrestling events, fuck off. Now, they don't like me over there either. So I'm letting them know mutual.
Starting point is 02:20:10 Yeah. And don't you be saying, go home, Pat, because I am home. What I'm in there. That's right. With Randy. You're the guest. And we're trying to, that's a sweep. Something that dad asshole in you.
Starting point is 02:20:29 No. Couldn't do. That's right. Oh, on the marquee out there. I don't know if they're paying me. or Randy for that. Gonna have to have a little conversation about that whole thing. Did we want those wrestling marks to be able to see that big of us?
Starting point is 02:20:50 They don't deserve that. No, they do not. Do you think they deserve that size of Randy Orton in their life on their eyes? Yeah, right. Is that going on a chair as well? I assume. Better not. I don't want those stupid, stinky butts all over Randy Orton's face.
Starting point is 02:21:04 You imagine. If those are the seats, you fat so's, and Disgusting bums do not sit down. Yep. Do not sit on those. Do not chant go home, Pat. I am home. You sound stupid.
Starting point is 02:21:18 And don't look at this. You don't deserve to see Randy Orton this big. It's almost life size actually of Randy Orton, is it? Yeah, it's pretty close. A little bit smaller. A gladiator, a giant. An impeccable WWE superstar. A man who's going to save the business on Friday.
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Starting point is 02:23:22 We're going to have to clean this up Cody Jack out piece of shit as punishment bones should probably clean up with his teeth and left the building so maybe that's better for all of them. Good. Is he still walking? He's just walking down He wouldn't get very far as though he's tired He's got a tiny little car out there
Starting point is 02:23:37 that we can literally go flip over with two hands. And he probably hopped in that little toy car and drove his ass to wherever that plane was headed for Cody and said, I did your job, Cody. I didn't even think about him being in on it. I just thought he was stupid. You mentioned AJ that he was in on it. I didn't even think about it.
Starting point is 02:23:54 True treasoning. Yeah. Piece of shit. Got to get a lie detector in there. You know that. Good call. Or that serum that you could inject them to make them. True serum.
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