The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1537 - Wrestlemania 42 Recap, Adam Schefter, PGA Tour CEO Brian Rolapp, Andrew Whitworth, Iman Shumpert, Dr. David Chao, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk and the boys recap WrestleMania 42 as Pat is showing the effects from Saturday night after being brutalized by Jelly Roll, Cody Rhodes, and Randy Orton. They also cover the NBA and NHL Playoffs in full swing, and the NFL Draft being just a few days away. They are also joined by several great guests including ESPN Senior NFL Insider Adam Schefter; former CMO and BMO of the NFL, and current CEO of the PGA Tour, Brian Rolapp; Super Bowl Champion, 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, Walter Payton Man of the Year, and analyst for Thursday Night Football on Prime, Andrew Whitworth; 11 year NBA veteran, NBA Champion, and current NBA analyst on ESPN, Iman Shumpert; and lastly, former NFL team doctor, and host of the Sports Injury Central podcast, Dr. David Chao. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, We’ll be off tomorrow, but we’ll be LIVE from the Draft Spectacular set in Pittsburgh on Wednesday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. And welcome to our Humble the Bo, the Thunderdome. On this overreaction Monday, happy 420. This program begins now. Sports! We are the greatest, and we had a fantastic weekend of playoff sports. The NBA, kind of boring, but playoffs are happening. The race to the ultimate prize in basketball.

Yes. That's right. Delario, Barry O'Brien. Yeah. Larry O'Brien. That's what everybody's looking for. Started this weekend, and Connor will have a full breakdown. He watched every single moment of every single game,

which we certainly appreciate. Then the NHL playoffs, they had a massive weekend. Started between two old giants, deciding to just start and scrap as soon as the puck is dropped. Obviously, you got Brady Kachuk USA. Team USA Hero and Leader and Churper on the bench. And then you got Jordan Stalls you on the other side. Hey, boys, you want to start the playoffs at a fight?

Yeah, fuck it. Let's fucking do it. Yeah. Okay, for the good of the game. And then the boys throw down in the middle of Carolina, Ottawa. Now, a couple of big shots were land by both sides, but that's how the NHL playoffs kind of started, and their entirety of the weekend was electrifying.

The NHL playoffs are something that if you watch, you're going to get captivated, you're going to get mesmerized. And although the Flyers want to go to the big turn, went over to Pittsburgh playing once a game, too, tonight in Pittsburgh, by the way, you're going to see something that's especially going to fall in love, and the games are going to be exhilarating. A lot of NHL games great.

A lot of NBA games, kind of a little bit of a bummer. But nonetheless, we're in playoff season. We're thankful for that. We got games tonight in the playoffs. We cannot wait to watch in the NHL and the NBA. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Calm, an incredible weekend of playoff action out there. Yeah, it was the best.

I mean, you mentioned it. The NHL start to finish. Always delivers the NBA. You know, it's going to take a little bit just to get into it when it comes to competition-wise. But that's why this is fun. You get to kind of poop on all the dumpy teams, unless you are Evan Fox, the number one seed pistons lose to the magic, which was an absolute joke.

I think it's the first time ever, or maybe the fourth time ever. It was a wire-to-wire victory for an eighth seed over a number one seed. But no, it was fantastic. I mean, can't really mention the weekend without mention that neck brace, though. I know it was a little tough for you as well. No kidding. Yeah, it was quite a vague this weekend, you know. and the thing that I didn't think was possible was actually possible.

Still don't know how. Radio Orton lost. Yeah. In doing so, try to break my neck. After my neck had already been busted by Jelly Rolls, big ass, smaller than he was. Big ass crashing through commentators' death, just feet in front of Michael Cole and the boys who were forced to watch us. Jellyroll and I have been the best friends. And then all of a sudden, a couple weeks ago, he pops on the screen and starts to,

I'm a check you. I'm going to check you. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. It's like, Jelly, what are we doing? I was just here for the Grand Ole Opry when he went in there. What are we talking about? He said, well, why did you tell Randy to attack me? And then he said, you know what, this for everybody? Two motherfickers breaks me an app. Jelly. I bounce down there. My whole body just loses its senses. Cody Rhodes is clapping. Obviously, everybody thinks he's a hero. He might be. He might be. This guy just might be. I don't know how he was able to get that win over Randy Orton, who's everything perfect with professional wrestling.

Cody Rhodes somehow hits the crossroads on Randy. You know why? Because Randy was a little bit distracted. Because Randy wanted to snap my neck in half. I'm already in the neck brace. In the back, the doctor said, you need to keep stability in your neck. I said, well, I'm going to go ref just in case something happens. You know, I'm going to get ready.

Charles Robinson goes down. Randy attacks me. Maybe you didn't know it was me. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. It could have been confused. Makes sense. Felt like he knew.

I don't know. A lot of physicality. Said everybody. Yeah. First phone call after we decided we had to save the business, I told him to kill everybody. This is what I told Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll was like, you told him to attack me.

I said, no, I told him to kill everybody. I didn't know you're going to be said out there. He did kill you. He killed me, too. This is what happens when he dance with Viper, the Apex Predder. All I was trying to do is motivate and inspire. I was trying to tell him that for future generations of wrestling,

we need you to go ahead and get the strap, get the title, get to the top of the card, so everybody else can fall. So, boom, it ends. With that. People are asking, I appreciate C2C5, they got scans coming back tomorrow and morning. Good luck.

Jeez. Could be anywhere in there. I'll tell you what. I'm wearing this thing since I got jelly rolled. Yeah. I got jelly rolled. Yeah, you did. That'll happen.

I'm aware of it's just to keep it secure. They ran scans. I'll get it back tomorrow morning. I'm very grateful and hopeful that I'll be completely healthy. But there is some soreness, obviously. Got some cuts and bruises too. Hand right here, cut. Well, I think that's because the table exploded.

Yeah, it could be. Okay, I got some shrapnel. Somehow got a splinter in my crotch. I think it's because of what happened to the table. I mean, there was a lot that happened out there. And, you know, I did want to let everybody know that I am okay, just in case people were worried because I did seem lifeless there for a bit. Yeah, we were.

And I heard a couple people, and I said, you know what, I got to let them, I am very okay, actually. This is how I feel. So I would like to let everybody know that although the mission was supposed to be Randy Orton saving the business, I think what happened instead was, uh, color roads prove he is the one. and that guy his eye, he's eyeball.

Oh boy, shot. This guy's face. I think he got to right to the thing, kind of cut him open, and then I think there was a punt that happened to everwards to go ahead and just go ahead and swore the whole side of his face.

Coeur of Rhodes was obviously very admirable. Randy Orton is still everything that I said he was. But good news is, oh, business doesn't need to be saved after all. And good for them. Mm-hmm.

And for me, I finished my story. He did. Yeah. I came up in the Indies. Yeah, he did. I-W-A East Coast. War Pig.

War Pig, yeah. I went through development, N-X-T. Let's not forget, trampoline. And your barn. I was a wrestler, trained by Rip Rogers.

Yeah. Same guy that trained to everybody that's retiring, kind of, currently. Don't forget your trampoline. Trampoline League. Out of OV-W. Trampoline growing up,

I was champion. Trampoline champion. Now that really go through it. Tramplein wrestling. Yeah. Indy wrestling. Yeah. Undefeated.

State title and normal wrestling? I didn't. I never normal wrestling. That's an amateur wrestling. Never did that. You would be able to tell if I did because I'd be looking for those cauliflower years immediately. I went through a developmental with NXT.

Yeah. Commentated and wrestled down there. Stupid Adam Cole. Bingo. Had that happen. Get WWE commentated. Lucky to do that. Did pre-shows?

Lucky to do that. Ruffled? Lugged. Lugged. Yeah. Managed. Yeah. Lucky to do that.

It's been a hell of a run. Thank you, wrestling. Congrats. Thank you, wrestling. Hell of a run. Thank you, did it all. It was an honor to be over there.

And, you know, maybe I took it too far and tried to motivate my friends saying the things I was saying. Yeah. Sometimes when you're trying to motivate something, that did feel good. I must add.

The neck was hurting every step, obviously. Great posture. Thank you. Yeah, I had to hold it together. And, you know, a lot of people said, like, what if I did count the three?

Would that count it? We'll never know. Yeah, you were saying that. Yeah, you had the stripes on. We'll never know. We'll never know. And I thought Cody was so out. He had it.

It was a tough day. Yeah. It was a tough day. Yeah. Then obviously it's WrestleMania in Vegas. You kind of got to go experience that a little bit. Got to. One played some blackjackers, private tables,

then bopped over to Fountain Blue at Liv and 50 cent was there. Oh, sick. And I'll tell you what, it was an interesting time of life because it was like I was back in the day. You know, because you used to go to a lot of clubs. I was back in a club and I was listening to in the club with 50 cent. And I thought, well, time's full circle. This is a good way to go out of wrestling. And you can find me in that club and we had a great time in there.

Oh, yeah. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. That was a trip back in time in there. Oh, yeah. Big Mike taking care of us. We appreciate Big Mike. Always. I'll tell you what.

I learned a lot about Big Mike post the evening that we had. But Debo, what a time in there. Saw Cameron in there. Yeah. Tony Ye, yo. What? Oh, murder. 50.

Obviously. Still got it, by the way. All of them. Get Richard Dye trying. No skips. All haters. Best album of all time. Got a chance to experience it.

And it was a blast. I mean, we did a Vegas. We did a Vegas. It's been a while since I've been in nightclub. Me too. Traditional nightclub. I inhaled some smoke at one point. I was like,

oh, there it was. That's 21-year-old me right there. Oh, some actual smoke? Yeah, fog machine. We're at another place. They still got this fast bottle, but I'm glad, you know, you're an old school dude. You know, didn't let the little bump slow you down, man. We had a good time.

Great night. Obviously, rough night for you. Jelly Bubba, Randy, Cody. It was tough, man, but you powered through. We had a great night mania always brings it. Night 2 was awesome as well. I enjoy that. It sucks.

I saw him put the picture out. It's official. Yeah. You're out of the business. I said it, man. That does suck. But I will be watching. They might have got me back in.

Yeah, I'll tell you, I was pretty. intrigued by a lot of the things that I saw as well, which was fascinating because you couldn't tell them, okay? Yeah, good. Sure. And they don't want to talk to me either. I'll tell you what, I think it is a good time for me to leave the business. I think right now it's probably a good time for me to head out.

I think that's probably a good decision. And I'll tell you what, there was a couple people that said some rude thing. Omar, a guy runs SportsCenter account. His name's on the SportsCenter account. Yep. Even though Sports Center is a show with a lot of people, Omar runs the Sports Center Instagram account. Yeah, that's who I was talking to right there.

Had to do it. Omar's sled. You know, he's sitting right there. That was awesome. Anybody could have got it. I mean, there was a fat Sina on this side I gave it to. There was a little kid who called him the ugliest kid in the building. That was rude to me.

He came back to double middle fingers right to my face. There were some rude interactions out there. And I was probably the reason for him. I was saying a lot of things, okay? I was just trying to motivate my guy. That's all. People were saying really mean stuff right there. They were telling me that I needed to maybe just be evicted from

society. Jeez. That's just fixed. Seriously? There was some of that. There was some of that. I'm going to let everybody know. There was some of that.

But on that note, it was probably my fault. Because as I was trying to motivate Randy, all I want him to know is that everything else was shit and he was the king. And it turns out, the American nightmare still got the throne. Yeah. That guy's a real deal, brother. Yes. Yeah. Is there a worn out for his arrest here, though?

Like, if he ever comes back to Indy? For what he did here? Yeah. I won't press your charges. Okay. That whole thing's done. Respect. Water under the bridge.

All behind us. We might have to. The wrestling business just kind of rearview mirror. And to the wrestling business, I'd like to say, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Well done. Take a bow.

Oh, let's get some sports. One half of the hammer. Cowboys, AP tone. What do we need to be looking at tonight? And what are the trends telling us about this particular playoffs that maybe will make me get a crime like I'm Cody Rhodes? So tonight we are back on the court and the ice for both sports. NBA has three games tonight. There is not a spread lower than six and a half points, I believe.

This league sucks. What are we doing, man? I was told when we get to the playoffs, good games. The first round. We did warn everybody, hey, the first round, probably normally sometimes always sucks as well. This is just kind of how the league goes. But over the weekend to start the playoffs,

the favorites were six and two straight up and six and two against the spread. your losers, the Detroit Pistons, and the Houston Rockets. Those were the two teams that didn't do what they were supposed to do. Obviously, the KD injury threw a little bit of a wrench in there. That one was basically a pick-umet tip. So really the Pistons, the only ones that screwed the pooch this weekend there. And then when you go to the NHL side of things.

What happened? The Pistons were really the only favorite to screw the pooch. The Pistons didn't show up, Pat. We got jumped right at the beginning of the game. The Magic came out, got a lead. And anytime we wanted to come back, we made it close. we had no chance and they hit a three it was terrible okay so the Detroit Pistons are the number one seat in the Eastern Conference and we lost to the Orlando Magic what's the word people say though

what's the word people say it rhymes with a lot but it's not um don't say it I'm not saying it's too early to say it fraud no fraud fraud fraud fraud I forgot what the word was that well that is what people would say in this particular situation it's one game one guy why is everybody bearing a team for one game And I'm only saying that strictly because we're about to get into the NHL and Tom's going to break down what happened. So I would like to be able to utilize this excuse in about 35, 40 seconds or so whenever we get into the NHL conversation. But on that note, you guys were supposed to be the ones this year.

Like the actual, this was the year. And then all of a sudden Orlando, who was in a play in two playing game. Yeah. Yeah. Paula Bank Carrow was getting run out of the building in Orlando. Now he's leading the team to beat the hell out of the number one seed. Is it, are you guys done before this thing even begins? and then I read a stat.

11 straight playoff losses? Yeah, that's a bad stat. People are saying that the magic actually lost in the playing game on purpose, so they didn't have to play the Celtics so that you could play us. I don't like that one bit, but I will say this. Cade Cunningham showed up, 39 points. No one else on the team showed up. Tobias Harris had 17.

Every other player had single digits. Jalen Duren, he's like our all-pro center. He needs to step it up here. And other than that, like any time we had a little bit of momentum where we might come back, they would just hit a three and they out physicaled us. Detroit teams cannot get out physical so that was the story of the game. Okay.

Hey, number one seat, we'll lose every once in a while. You guys will get back in there? We'll get back in there. We'll get back in there. We're a young team. That's what happens. Oh, because normally one seed

wouldn't be a young team. You know, normally they'd be pretty comfortable with the moment. Now you guys get into a big dance and all of a sudden your dancing shoes are disappearing. Amen. That's not good.

Not good at all. I don't like that at all. All right, is Kate playing? Cade, 39 points. He was the only, he played. He was awesome. Oh, shit. I love Kate.

So you got stink as a team. They blow. Kate went for 39. Kate went for 39 to buy a 17. Everyone else single digits. The other guys need to step up. Jalen Duren, our center, got out physicaled last night. That can't happen.

He will bounce back. I trust these guys. I trust the coach. They'll be okay. I like the way you said out physical instead of what you wanted to say. I think everybody else was saying. I don't like that because you just remember that all these guys, okay? People need to remember this on the internet and a WrestleMania maybe if they're sitting in front row.

All these guys could snatch you by. your necks. Yeah, seriously. They lift you up like a movie. They didn't do one of these if they wanted to. We got to remember that. But they're not here right now. No, they're not. And he's stunked. And people are saying that the Detroit Pistons are a bunch of fraud.

I want to say it. You guys wanted to say it again. I'm not saying. They wanted to say. I didn't know what we were going to say. You yelled into the mic there. You can say it. Okay, NHL playoffs obviously happened this weekend.

Four and three straight up were the favorites. Conman. I heard the NHL playoffs were electrifying while we were electrifying while we were doing WrestleMania. Yeah, fantastic. You mentioned it, Kane Senators. It started with a throwdown fight. It was the first game to kick off the entire playoffs. And it was wonderful. Brady Kachukh, Jordan Stahl, basically just throwing bombs. This is what hockey's all about. We talk about the moments that playoffs have. This is going to be one of them when we look back on it once this thing is said and done. Like, hey, yep, someone's hoisting the cup. How did this thing start?

Boom, with fist flying. After this, it was pretty much a tame game. Simple, two nothing beat. down. Logan Stankov and do the stanky leg. He scored the first goal. And that was all she wrote in that one. The next game, unfortunately for you was Flyers Penns. The Flyers Penns, I mean, hey, it was a good game. It's a rivalry game. This thing's going seven no matter what. So I want to be too too upset. But yeah, third period, one one game. And Flyers just kind of ran away. They scored two goals. Rusty actually put one in before it was all said and done for the pens. But that one right there, was kind of your game winner. Flyers march into Pittsburgh. And you are, unfortunately, one game closer to possibly wear in a suit with that bet with the governor.

Yeah, I saw a lot of people talking about stats about if you win the first one of a seven-game series, what's the likelihood if you win the entire thing? Just look at the Flyers' likelihoodness to win the cup. And then let's look at those stats. And then let's look at Sidney Crosby stats in that entire. tonight, game two, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sydney Crosby and the boys will attempt to get back into a series. You go 02 into Philly.

Oh, I want that. It did. That's not happen. If that happens, you're done. It's not happening. Hey, what team Sydney Crosby on? Not the team that would ever go 02 in the Philly. Big no.

I hope not. It's pivoted away from you thinking about that. Are people calling you guys? No. They're not wrong. No, boxing? You pig? That's what people are saying.

No. Let's get away from all of it. Let's go to the NFL, please. Can we go to the NFL? Hell yeah. Place we go. And huge trait. Dexter Lawrence leaves the Giants and heads to the Cincinnati Bengals.

What? Joining us now is a man who might tell us how the hell that all went down. Senior NFL insider for ESPN Adam Schifter. Yeah, Chefty. Shefti C-2 through C-5. I'm getting the scans back in the morning. you can tweet it, you're welcome. Now, let's talk a little bit about the end of.

Dexter Lawrence, he's a member of the Cincinnati Bengals. I had no idea that the Bengals did this. I had no idea that they would trade the number 10 overall pick. I had no idea that they work in extension for $28 million. He'd be up, he's through 2028 with the Bengals now with an outsider. How does come together? This is a gigantic move, I think, for the team in Cincinnati. Well, what I would say here, Pat, is that it had been brewing for a couple of weeks,

and the Giants and Bengals have been talking really for the last. last week. And the Bengals were willing to offer the 10th overall pick in this draft. The Giants wanted more. They went back and forth. And I think it became apparent to the Giants that they weren't going to get more than the 10th overall pick. And ultimately, they felt like it was in their best interest to go ahead and make that deal. They pull the trigger on that deal on Saturday night. They get back the 10th overall pick. And this really, to me, is interesting on so many levels because now the Giants have two of the top 10 picks in this draft. The two New York teams have 25% of the top 16 picks in this draft. And the Giants here are going to be able to get two real difference makers for John Harbaugh in his first year as the head coach. From the Bengals standpoint, massive season ahead for Cincinnati. Huge year for Joe Burrow. And the Bengals know that they have to win for Joe Burrow and they have to win now. So they figure that the player that gives them the best chance to have the best season,

this upcoming season, a critical year, is not any player they could take a 10, but rather Dexter Lawrence. And obviously they've gone through the mocks to project who they might or might not get. It's not a deep draft at the defensive tackle position to begin with. And so the Bengals figured that this is their best way to use that pick. and they make the trade first time in franchise history that they've ever traded a top 10 pick for a player, which obviously is enormous.

I love that. Shout to Cincinnati trying to work on something that they have a fundamental issue with, which is defense as well. Obviously, whenever they pay T and Jamar and they have Joey, everybody's like, yeah, we get it. You're going to be able to score points. We ever be able to win an NFL game when it matters, though,

if you don't have a defense. They obviously make some moves. Interesting with Trey Hendrickson's situation over the last couple of years, he's on the way out. Dexter Lawrence, obviously, interior defense alignment. Hembo Center v. Statt. Bengals detackles ranks since 2021.

In Sacks, 41.5, that's 28th in the NFL. 53 tackles for loss, that's 29th. 249 pressures, that's 28th. That's all since Gino Atkins retired. So in the middle of that D-line, they have had a lot of problems. And obviously, Jonathan Allen comes in and also sexy Dexie. They're trying to fix that thing immediately. And in the AFC North, if you've got a good front, you can win.

You have to have a good front to win. So I like that they're investing there. Congrats to them. Let's talk about a front. Trent Williams gets a two-year-$50 million deal. Is that what I heard? Two-year-hundred. What is the two-year-50 million-dollar extension?

They were not going to let him out of the building, we would assume. And the San Francisco 49ers always having to make things happen for their players. Now, this deal had been at the finish line for about two weeks now. And within the 49ers building, they thought every day was the day it was getting done. And today the agent obviously announced that it was done. But they've been at this spot going over some language here for about two weeks. There was never a doubt that this deal wasn't getting done. The 49ers obviously have put a huge priority on Trent Williams.

You see what he's accomplished. You see what the team has done this offseason in terms of adding Mike Evans and Christian Kirk and bringing back Drake Greenlaw and now obviously retaining Trump Williams on a two-year deal that includes $37 million guaranteed. this was obviously a huge move ahead of the draft on Thursday night. The 49ers are sitting there in the first round later on. We'll see whether or not they stay there. They may not.

But it's a situation where now, if you draft an offensive tackle, if you draft an offense tackle, you don't have to rush them along. You've got Trent Williams. And the feeling in the organization had been, look, we want this guy. This deal is going to get done. And the agent announced that it was done this morning. Trent Williams, obviously, a monster, fantastic football player. First Ballot Hall of Famer, we think.

Yeah. We don't know what a first Ballot Hall of Famer looks like anymore for professional football, but we think he would definitely be a first ballot Hall of Famer if all the voters are doing their things. So fast, so nimble, so experienced. Now, can the Niners win a Super Bowl out there? Can they do it? They've had to deal with all the issues of a team that has won the Super Bowl. All their star players go from not making all the money to making all the things.

the money. They've had to go through different iterations. They obviously find their quarterback. They've had to pay the quarterback a lot of money. It's fascinating the kind of story this Niners team has been on. Now they need to win a Super Bowl. I'm excited to see if they can stay healthy and do that. Let's continue the trade conversation and business

conversation of the NFL before we move to the draft. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Shafty, big news out of you this morning. A.J. Brown is now likely to be traded to New England. I know a lot of people thought that might happen, then didn't think it would happen. But you put in this tweet out was huge news just for people to really believe it now. What is kind of this status? Is this just

something that, you know, both teams are in agreement. June 1st will come. He'll get traded. And what do you see kind of the compensation to be, will it be a first round pick? Will it be, you know, a second and the third? What is kind of the next steps here for A.J. Brown to be a New England Patriot? Well, there is no agreement on the deal right now. But I think that both sides expect that eventually, once they talk closer to the deadline, that they will be able to work out an agreement. New England wants him. Philly is open to trading him. And I think in the end, he will get traded. My guess is it'll involve a future one at some point in time. I don't know that it'll be 27 or 28. The two sides still have to figure that out and see where they wind up.

But I think the Eagles had been looking for a first round pick, at least, for AJ Brown. And I think they felt like they could get it and still feel like they can get it in the end. So my guess is that trade will include a first round pick in the end when the two sides wind up agreeing to whatever deal they come up with. There's not another team out there that I can see other than New England where AJ Brown is going to wind up. And the news this week would be that they're not going to be doing this deal before or during the draft because obviously as we've talked about, the cap ramifications are such that New England would have to take on too much money to trade AJ Brown before June 1st. They're going to wait until June 1st.

Hold on, Chef. Am I, do I have Mandela effect here? Haven't we just post-June 1 designated things a lot in the history of the NFL? Why does this one seem so like, hey, got to wait till it's summer? Like legitimately, why? Because haven't we done this in the past where we've just said, hey, this is this and we're doing it June 1st or June 2nd. That's for a player being released. You can't designate a trade as a June 1st trade. And so there's a big difference there.

And obviously, like it'll involve picks, but I'm not expecting that trade, clearly, to involve picks in this draft. It's not like New England's going to be picking for Philadelphia. They don't have the agreement in place yet. So they'll come to an agreement at some point here right around June 1st. first. And at that point in time, A.J. Brown will be allowed to go to New England. But it, the rules of releasing a player don't work the same way that they do with trading a player. Got it. Okay. So thank you for the clarification there. And I like the fact that they're all

just like, hey, well, late May. Afraid itself. Hey, Jay's hang tight. Okay. We got to do this. You know, the way this entire thing is we got to wait until May. Draft, obviously, gigantic. There's been some big conversations about things should be designated before the draft even begins, especially in the host City. Diggs has a question for you, Shephti. Yeah, I do, Shephti. Reports coming out today that the, looks like their

Steelers are not going to hear from Aaron Rogers about whether he wants to play next year. What? Before the draft. Who said that? I believe I saw a Pelliserro reported. Yeah, no. Pelliseru, which is Shepter's peer. We've been seeing you sharing each other's shit, by the way. So, and

you know, it felt like we were going to get an answer before the draft, or at least that's what the rumors were, and they're talking every day, Now, Woolhauer is going to be QB1 during OTAs. What's the latest on Mr. Rogers? Well, it's exactly what we've talked about, where they essentially said that they thought initially it would be about a 30-day window before they got an answer from Aaron Rogers.

That third window came and went. Then they were hoping that they would get an answer before for agency. That obviously came and went. Then they were hoping to get an answer before the draft. And obviously, that feels like now it's going to come and go without answer from Aaron Rogers and obviously the question will linger out there. Those are these deadlines, though? Is this just them publicly saying, yeah, 30 days?

Yeah. Like, are they talking to Aaron about like, do we know where the whole thing is? Like, how is this become our expectation? Because we as people who have dealt with Aaron Rogers, okay, not as much as maybe some folks who are with them every single day, if they're a team and everything like that. But we have obviously been, does Aaron know? Like, whenever they come out and say, hey, this is a 30 day thing. was he informed of that or because there's a chance he's literally off the grid somewhere

and has no idea that now I'm not saying that's the actuality but I'm just saying this dude is not like the others okay this guy and people are like no he's not blah blah blah it's like there's a reason he's allowed to be the way he is those because of how damn good he is at football and has been you ask any player or any coach they say Aaron Rogers is that guy now on that note does Aaron know the Steelers want him as quarterback has that like how is he looking at a contract yeah yeah how much do we have Like, what do we know about that entire stuff, Chefty? Do you know anything?

Yeah, here's what I do know. I know that some people had suggested that, well, maybe it's not done because money is an issue. And I just was told that money's not an issue here. The contract's not to hold up. It's just Aaron taking time and doing what he does and operating on his own time schedule, whatever that is, when he feels like he's ready to give an answer for whatever reason. You know, I think there's probably, like, again, I think it's always dangerous to speak for him, I don't want to do that, but this is going to linger for a little bit, it seems like.

Okay, so contract, you said there. So that's already the business. What's that? Contract's not an issue. So the business has already been figured out between the Steelers and Aaron? I don't know if it's been figured out, but I was told the contract won't be an issue. I'm saying, because Aaron, whenever he was on with us, we haven't heard anything from Aaron's camp, right? Has anybody heard anything from? No, no. Since the time he was on with us? He said, I don't have like a contract offer, right? Isn't that how he explained it?

Correct. Yeah, he said he hasn't received any sort of contract offer yet. When was that? That was in A month ago? Yeah, about a month ago. Post-Olympics, yeah. I wonder if that, has that changed? Do we know? Do we know if that's changed? I just, in asking around, I was told it could this be contractual or related? And I was told, no, that's not the case at all.

I'll tell you what, we've been down this road a couple times before until it comes. Yeah. The 30-day thing's laughable. Someone who said, okay, we need your answer in 30 days. Like, what do we do it? You know that that's not happening. Okay, so. The draft, though, I think, is a reasonable expectation.

I agree. Like, I think their draft is a reasonable expectation, especially with 12 picks and every, it's a new era, but still trying to go for it era. It's like, I think that's a reasonable expectation. I just wonder behind the scenes, because what we've heard from Aaron is that he did, I don't even have a, we don't even have like a thing is what he said a month ago or whatever. If he hasn't said anything or hasn't come out publicly from him, we are going to not assume anything. Smart.

Right. Okay, we are not going to assume anything. Can't. Because he will get his messaging out. Certainly. We know that. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. We definitely. And you know. know that. Yeah, you know that more than anybody. So I think the draft is reasonable. But also there's a lot of things that have to go into that, I guess, that decision to be made. Good luck out there,

Steelers. Just pick one. Good luck out there, Steelers, fans. That's kind of what it is. Let's continue to talk about the draft, which is going to be spectacular this Thursday night round one. Obviously on ABC, ESPN NFL Network. We'll be live. YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, TikTok

and anywhere else that we missed. We'll be all over there. We cannot wait. Coach Cowher will be joining us. AQ Shipley will be joining us whenever the big guys get drafted, which could be a thing. But obviously there are some big names that are starting to cook up for this particular draft. And now, rumor is always this time of year, interesting. Go ahead, D. Bud. Absolutely. A quarterback who will definitely be in Pittsburgh. Ty Simpson. I just want to know your thoughts on him.

And does that mean he's basically confirmed to be a first rounder? And then Y receiver Jordan Tyson heard he had a great pro day. Is he pretty much locked in to be the top receiver off the board based on what you're here? I don't know if he's going to be the top receiver, but he's going to be a top pick. Him and Carnell Tate, I think, will probably be the first two wide receivers selected. I would think that both have a realistic chance to go within the top 10, 12 picks of the draft. Both will be off the board pretty quickly here. Those two guys, Tate and Ticing.

You see the moves that Tyson made on Friday. The Giants spent a lot of time with him. It certainly feels like the Giants have a high level of interest in Jordan. Tyson attending his workout and having dinner with him and doing all those things, all the legwork on Jordan Tyson. Tate, obviously, he's still going to be a very high pick. Those will be the top two receivers. What was the initial question?

Ty Simpson. Ty Simpson. Hey, on that note, just to wrap up your last thought about the wide receivers, Tate is currently minus 200 to be the first wide receiver taken on Thursday night on draft Kings currently. That'd be my guess that he would go. But I think there's enough Tyson love that it wouldn't shock me if Tate. Tyson went, but if I had a bet today, I would say I feel better about Tate going ahead of

Tyson. But by the way, the Giants, the Giants can go Tyson at five. They could do that. They could do that. It's all fluid, it sounds like, with this particular draft. And on that note, Ty Simpson now, Schaefter. Yeah. So, Ty Simpson, I think there are two teams that stand.

You see that the odds makers are right here. The Cardinals and Jets are the two teams. the Rams, if the Rams had had picked 29, which they traded to the cheese for Trent McDuffie, the Rams would have given him serious consideration right then and there at 29. And I'm not going to say that they still couldn't take him at 13. My guess would be no, but you don't know how the board's going to fall. And so to me, the odds come back to the Cardinals and the Jets. Now, the Jets have the first pick in the second round on Friday night, pick 33, the Cardinals of 34.

And you know what's fascinating about that is that if we go back to the last week of the season, the Raiders kicker Daniel Carlson made a 60-yard field goal against the Chiefs at a Legion Stadium career-long 60-yard field goal that gave the Raiders the win that knocked them out of the top slot at the other rounds of the draft. They kept the first overall pick, but they would have had the first pick on Friday night, and because of that kick now, they don't. The Jets do.

So the Jets are in position. So go get Tysimpsipies there. I think the Cardinals absolutely could come up to board, and the Cardinals are listening, or at least taking calls on pick number three. So I think those calls are expected to pick up this week. We'll see whether Arizona stays at three you or whether they move out. What's the matter?

Pat your neck bothering you or something I said bother you. Well, if you get my scans before I do, which I know you've done before. Yep. Okay? Let me know, okay? Because I would like to get rid of this. I got them. I got them.

I got them. Hey, we all have our trials and tribulations publicly. Okay? We all have that. But on that note, you just kind of blew my mind there, which did kind of whiplash my neck, which is obviously C2, C5 kind of thing happening because, remember, crossroads, commentator table, 80 yards, spills. Sprint RKO.

You said the Raiders don't have the first pick in the second round. What? So, what? How is that? So how do they get number one overall? I thought that was a big deal. It was done on straight to schedule. So they had the best strength to schedule, like the, or the worst, whichever you want to look

at it. They got the number one pick. Now, the Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, and Titans all have the same record. So they rotate it because they sit on straight to schedule. So the Jets pick top of round two. Cardo's picked top around three. Titans pick top around four. The Raiders, I believe, traded the pick at the top around five.

And it goes like that. Rotating. If Carlson had missed that field coach, the Raiders at the top of it every round. Okay. Holy shit. I feel like I'm learning a lot of things right now. Post June 1 designation, I thought to myself, as he was explaining that, idiot.

We talk about this every office. That's what I was like. Now you're talking about this. I'm idiot. it. We do a draft spectacular. Where all we do is commit all of our time towards the draft. For some reason it is one of our biggest shows every year.

And we are very grateful to everybody that watches. We should have known that. We're in the draft. I got... Oh, by the way, ESPN. I'm making... Or maybe it's the NFL. Who made the graphic? I think it was Shephti, wasn't it? Oh, I don't know if he made it, but he was one that tweeted it.

Somebody announced, when they announced that I'm doing a second round and third round picks for the Colts on Friday night or whatever. I'm back. Excited to do it. to be a part of it, they put Pat McAfee undrafted. It's like... Can't be doing that. Come on.

You know what you're going to say? Pat, Pat, you've an idea what you're going to say when you get up there, or are you just going to wing it? When? On Friday night. Friday night, brother. We got an event on Wednesday. We got this show here. We got a fucking first round. You had that typed out on Thursday. You got waiting for a scan, Chef.

Yeah, I don't even know if I see 2 or C5. Penn Flyers tonight. Yeah, we got Penn's Flyers game two tonight. What are you talking about, Sheffrey? But yes, I have an eye. of what I'm going to say because I don't know if you saw this I'd like you to be a little bit more efficient on your reporting on the Indianapolis Colts happenings do you have the video of Daniel Jones arriving at the facility today on the Colts Twitter I do believe is what it was you should see this guy's gate oh we're peacocking in there okay and after what I just saw Tatum do and what we know Daniel Jones was able to do with his ACL I mean yeah yeah I'm thinking the broken leg on one side torn Achilles on the other is just fine Okay, I'm thinking we're going to be a okay. It's a quarterback position.

Look at that walk. Look at walk. A quarterback. Uh-huh. You know what? You know what doesn't look good? For April 20th. Agreed.

420. Happy 420 to you, Shephter. You little stoner. I hope you have an incredible day today. Alex Pierce, he's out. What? Wait, what? Sorry, what happened?

Did he just get $100 million? What did me out? He got the biggest in history. And he's done already? Well, Alec Pierce signed a four-year $11-14 million-dollar contract this off season under one an ankle procedure that was sidel on him

for roughly three months. That was a long time. Three months? Where are you on? Hey, he was your guest at the top of the show. How did you miss it? Where were you on this one,

Chifty? Huh? What do you ask him about it? Why do you ask him about it? I didn't know I'm supposed to ask about anything. I don't know we're a okay. We just got $114 million.

Yeah. What the heck? Pat. He opened the free agent extravaganza on the Pat McAbee show. The free agency, Frenzy.

Spectacular is draft. Free agencies of frenzy. And this is chaotic to think about that. Alec Pierce just out of big one. Three months he's at. Twelve weeks. What are we doing? Mine.

Anything else about Colts that we need to know? Anything else? Yep. Anthony Richardson's not there today. Kenny Moore's not there today. Both players have officially requested trades. Colts are so dead, man. Anthony Richardson, good luck out there.

We think if you find your full. potential somewhere, we will be happy. I was a believer towards the end. I had, you know, because he's upside is crazy, good luck, seemingly very unlucky. Kenny Moore leaving. Don't love that. Don't love Kenny Moore leaving at all.

This dude's an incredible football player. He showed up. Now, granted, I think there was some injuries maybe? Yeah, a blow banged up, he played. But he hits. I mean, he's in the middle of it. There's going to be a little bit of that. I think everybody understands that. Physicality. He's a great. But Zaire, okay, he gets straight at Green Bay. He made, what, one third of

tackles? I think he was in on every single tackle. He and I obviously had a happenstance that took place, but he was fucking every single tackle. He felt like he was in there everywhere. Pitman. Yep. Michael Pittman is, we love Pitman. So we're going through a team transition

as if we were like the Niners. At least you got a new GM new coach. You sounded negative right now, Pat. Go back to Daniel Jones. Walking in. Looking cool. We'll be in a good spot, all right? Let's hope that for Friday, too. Can we get you announcing a guy with the name Dan Jones or John Smith?

And maybe they give you the correct phonetic spelling. Yeah, the Okoriki thing really came back to get me in a bad way. His name's O'Kareke. But what they tell you? O'Coreki. Spelled it out there for me. I'm excited to get back there, side stage. Last time I did the draft pick, Roger Goodell looked at me and said,

this is what you're wearing? That's right, bro. Wait until he sees his neck brace on Friday. We hope not We hope there's no actual Yeah, okay, let's say How long is the brace staying on? Huh?

How long is the brace staying on? I mean, if he's got a broken neck. I get my scans back tomorrow. 18 months, man. Get my scans back tomorrow and more and I shouldn't know C2C5. C2 is where they're looking. Most important one.

Got a closer eye on C2 through C5. I told him I felt pretty good because whenever you know when Cameron came up there and the whole place surviving, Uncle Mirdo was doing a full bang. Tony Ayo, bucket.

on looks so cool. In 50 cents your straps there. It was hard not to start bopping a little bit. You know, there's a lot of this going on. Because bang! When jelly roll jelly rolls you, I mean, your body loses hope. I don't think I've seen the table explode like that. Yeah, I got, I literally got, I got shards of wood all over my entire body.

It was a long weekend. Okay, last question here about the draft. Hopefully, though, you won't see this after I get scans back tomorrow. But once again, if you get scans early, I would like to sign a thing that's says you can break the hippo law. Ty has a last question for you about the draft. Shifty, Brett Veach said that he expects a lot of trades to happen on Thursday night, so he was excited for fans.

But from what information is out there, it seems like most of the teams we hear from are interested in trading back. Where do you think this is going to end up? Do you think we're going to see more trades than normal or kind of right on line with what we've had the last couple of years? Yeah, I think that when. you look at the last two years, there were five trades on draft night in each of the past two years. I mean, we might get the same number this year. I'm not looking for any earth-shattering moves.

I'm looking for some moves where teams maybe jump off a few spots. We'll see how it goes. Like sometimes a player may fall into a spot like one of the two pass rushers could slide, depending on how the draft goes to number five or six. So is there a team out there that's willing to jump up there and offer enough to make it happen, one of the past rushers, is one of the teams willing to go back? I think there's always, I think we may get a team jumping up for Ty Simpson

in the back of round one, the way that the Giants went up last year, to 25 for Jackson Dart. That could happen. But I'm not looking for more than the five that we got the last two years. I think that would be surprising, but it's a strange draft in that regard.

Okay, I can't wait to see it. We've gotten a lot of different reports from different sources from around the league on how they view kind of who's where. And it feels like it is a real crapshoot coming on Thursday night after about 12, 13. Like it feels like there's a real crap shoot. So if one team likes somebody very much and they're falling, you could see it move up. At the tail end of something, you might see some teams that like a lot of guys. And they're like, all right, we'll get out of here.

We don't need to be spending the first round on any of this type of stuff. Let's go to the second round. I think there is going to be some action late. I think from my understanding, from our conversations around the league. I think there's going to be some action late. And I think it's not going to be devastating. It's not going to be like a gigantic move, but it's going to be a lot of repositioning.

I think there's a chance. That's what I'm saying. There are a lot of teams. There are a lot of teams that want to move back. There are not as many teams right now that want to move up, but the draft hasn't started and there's certain guys that haven't fallen to a certain spot to make those teams

want to come up yet, yet in advance. But that could very well happen Thursday. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you, brother. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. That's Adam Schaeftier. Yeah, Chefty. I think, like, I think the tail end of that thing is going to be some action.

Oh, yeah. From our conversations, okay, this is me trying to do some journalism. As we will guide a five-hour show. Well? Maybe shorter, we'll see. But I think there's going to be a lot of moves, so I think that's going to reset the clock. It always kind of moves a little bit. And I think a lot of it is, like, position-based.

Like, there's seven offensive, tackles who are supposed to be the best seven of the draft before that drops off. If those seven are starting to go in the teens to early 20s, then if the team and then the later half wants to come up, they're going to have to do that because it falls off until guys are going to be taken like in the third row. Ratings are going to be outrageous for this. We're so incredibly lucky that we're a part of it, a man who was part of the mastermind of creating it all.

Former number two at the NFL. I believe the actual title was Chief Media and Business Officer. Okay, so that's CMO and CBO. for the NFL, was there for over 20 years. Absolute stallion of a suit. Oh, yeah. Like an actual absolute stallion of a suit. Now he's the CEO of the PGA tour.

Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Rolla. Yeah. Hey, Ryan. Hey. How are you, Pat? Good to see you. Great to see you as well. Someone say you're a super suit.

And I would say that the PGA tour made the right. No suit on. Yeah, no suit on. I understand. It's casual. We've got to do it. We're in the middle of the season right now. We got 22 more events.

Okay, we got another major coming May 14th with the PGA championship. Obviously, you're in work mode right now, but I think the PGA made the right decision. We would like to let you know that from the NFL. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you. No problem. Feels good.

Okay, so whenever you go over there, obviously everybody assumes that your experience from the NFL will help the PGA kind of grow and blossom. Master's numbers up and to the right, we assume golf will continue to be that way, especially with the news that's happening abroad. We'll dive into that. But what do you think you bring from the NFL in the growing? that you oversaw and saw happen with that league from a broadcast standpoint that you can take to the PGA. Like, how much have you been relying on your information from the NFL?

Well, a lot. Golf is not football. Like, you know, professional golf is not professional football. But I will tell you, there are things I learned at the NFL and helped do at the NFL that I think can make professional golf better, which is why I took the job. One thing we were just adamant about it, the NFL is never sitting still and innovating. And then second, make sure the product is really good. What you watch on a Sunday, make sure it's competitively good, make sure the rules are right, don't be afraid to change rules to make it better.

And I think that's what we're doing here. I think, you know, we're spending most of our time with a group of players and some outside people trying to figure out how we make the PGA tour product better. and we've got a lot of work to do, but I think come this June, we're going to unveil quite a bit, and I think it's going to make not only golf fans happy, but it's going to make sports fans happy

because this sport is growing like crazy, and we just want them to connect a little bit more with the PGA tour. Yeah, golf is a phenomenal sport. I did not play it as a child that much, but obviously I've gotten into it as I grow older. It's the perfect thing to have on the TV during the weekend, especially now with a daughter. I think people love the sport, obviously a lot of business

and everything like that. There's a lot of people worried about the sport, for whenever Liv came into the scene. There was a lot of worry about what the future was. I not golf purist. I wish I was. That'd be great. I'd probably be a much better golfer if I was a golf purist. But I'm just kind of outside looking in.

We all learned a lot about the PGA, I think, and how it operated. Then we watched the super duper swing show on that full swing. And it's like the schedule these guys have is insane. And then there's no guaranteed money. I think there was a lot of things that we kind of learned about the PGA tour through the live. But a lot of people thought it was going to divide golf. Now, golf has obviously survived. PGA Tour has obviously thrived,

and the future conversations about Liver are what they are right now, very, very loudly. How do you feel about how PGA has evolved since Liv started, and what is kind of the vision for you as you go forward with whatever happens with the competition, if that makes sense? Yeah, no, it makes sense. Look, I think, I think Liv did what the AFL did for the NFL years ago,

maybe what the USFL did for the NFL years ago is basically competition can make it better. And I think whatever you get competition, you end up figuring out what you do well, what you don't do well. And I think that's what Liv did was expose some things that maybe the PGA tour could do better, how we can make it better for fans, how we can make it better for professional golfers, how we can make it better for our television partners. And that's a good thing. And I think the changes that the tour has made before I got here, the changes that the we're doing now, I think

shows that when you do those things, fans go to where the best product is and where the best golfers are and where the best athletes are. And I think that's really, really important. So in a lot of ways, I think Liv did the professional golf world of favor in a lot of ways. And so

but again, I spend most of my time now thinking about the PGA tour and how we do these things better. And so I think the future is really bright for us and I think it's bright for professional golf. I think the PGA tour got to showcase how much better it is too through this. Yeah. You know, we learned a lot about the PGA Tour, but then we also learned about a lot of the things the PGA Tour has done very well over as we turn over and look at

something with a money put happening with DJ Callet in the back screaming, which I love Weda best as somebody's trying to win a tournament. There was like some things obviously flawed, but I think it was a showcase of what the PGA Tour was. Now, a lot of the boys on the PGA Tour roster took a lot of pride in the fact that they've represented the PGA Tour. You're about to go through a process here where I assume the PGA Tour is only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. How is your relationship with the golfers? I know that you said you have a lot of meetings with them as you're trying to evolve the sport, but what is your relationship like with the golfers and how is it supposed to be, you think? Well, it's pretty good. You mentioned first thing when I got

the job and something that maybe some people thought was crazy, but I thought it was a good idea, was I was going to meet with as many of the PGA Tour members as I can. And I think I'm up to 85 or something like that. And these aren't short meetings. I've spent anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half with them. And I've learned a ton. But I think they're smart. They're driven.

They know what they want. And I've learned a lot talking to them. They've given me a lot of good advice. So I think that's really important. But also I think it's important to remember the PGA tour is different than most professional sports, when Liv came along and the PJA Tour started doing some things differently, one thing they did was essentially create a situation in a league where the players actually own part of the tour.

So if you think about it, my shareholders, the people that I think most about are actually the players. That's not the same in other sports. Where I came from, it was owners and players, management and labor, it was a collective bargaining agreement. It was much different. It's a different feel here when members of the board and the people are the shareholders and their players. So when you have that relationship with them, I think it's really different and unique, but also something pretty powerful where I like to think we're really aligned with where they want to go.

Yeah, I would think so too. And I think the players obviously, they see your resume, they hear about what you've been able to accomplish. They probably have a lot of respect and trust in what your vision is going to be, especially if you're keeping them in the loop. and what happened with the last guy that was in your seat, you know, that was all very public. That was all very, very, very public. Let's talk about one of the guys in your locker room that's obviously incredibly important to the game and to our lives, I do believe. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Brian, I had a question because when I was watching yesterday, it's like, this is so awesome that Scotty and Matt Fitzpatrick, sorry, we're in the playoff.

And it feels like Scotty is in the top five and it's not feels like he's in top five every single week. How important is that for the tour to have your stars and Scotty be in the top five, top 10 every single week in contention? Well, I think it helps. I think it's a lot. But, you know, Pat, you ask me about what I learned from my old job. So here's the thing about the NFL. I think, and I'll get to your question in a minute, the NFL works because when the Cowboys are on television, you'll watch. Or when the Steelers are on television, you'll watch.

or the giants because they're from a big market. But why it really works is when the Bengals are good, you'll watch. Or the lions are good, it'll watch. And so in golf, even right up to this lifting, there is this perception that, hey, a tournament is only good if a couple of top guys are playing or the couple guys on the leaderboard on Sunday. When the reality is outside of the NFL, I can't find another professional sport where the competitive parity is so tight. So meaning that the difference between the number fifth ranked golfer in the world and the 50th is nothing. It's razor thin. It's a stroke over four days.

And so I think when you see Scotty being at the top of the leaderboard, it's great. And the fact that he is top of the leaderboard almost every week is an amazing athletic accomplishment. It's really, really hard to do. But I also think what you're seeing is this tour is full of a lot of really good athletes and golfers and compelling. and we need to do better job exposing but you saw that out on Sunday, right? You saw Scotty do what Scotty does, which is make a weekend run,

but you saw Matt whom, what he did, and he consistently, he consistently got there and won the tournament. And by the way, it was by a stroke and a playoff. And so I think on any given Sunday, that old expression, I think it applies to the PGA tour more than almost any other sports.

Oh, so you took that from the NFL. Okay, got it. That's what you took. That's what you took. I respect. There you go. Yeah. Patented.

trademark it, tell Commiss, you beat them to it, but it is real. That's like Cam Young comes into the scene. Gary Woodland, he eagled on 18 or whatever from like 200 yards. There's just like spectacular things happening all around your tour. Now, the last question for you, and we appreciate you so much for your time. I think it's a very important one because the PGA tour has always been the best battling against the best, and everybody thought that was what's going to happen, you know, when everybody split and divide. But now you're in the middle of having to figure that whole thing out. Debutt has the last question for you here, Brian. Yeah, we talked about some of rumors with the other tours

and now with Big Game Brooks coming back to PGA Tour. We saw some of the stipulations, I guess, with his deal. Is there like a defined path for players to come back to the PGA Tour? And is it kind of, I guess, situations are situational with a player-by-player situation? How is it? Yeah, I think we're thinking about it. Listen, we're reading all the same headlines you're reading. We don't know what's going on over there.

We don't know. We know those guys are under contract. We'll respect that. Brooks came back onto the tour because he made a phone call and said, look, I'm out of my contract. I'm ready to come back. So we're thinking about it. We'll react when we have an opportunity to react,

but right now we're focused on the PGA tour better. But listen, I've said it publicly and I'll say it again, I'm interested in whatever makes the PGA tour better. That's what my job is. That's what I'm interested in doing. And that has no limit. So that's how I'll focus on it. I appreciate the hell out of what you did for the NFL.

I appreciate what you did for us. Okay. Brian knows that I can, you know, I can certainly tell people what a lot of people think. I actually will say it, which causes situations, I would say. Brian, you've always been very patient with me and us and very giving for us. So we are very, very grateful for you, appreciative of you. Good luck out there. We can't wait to continue to watch.

And I'm excited to see the up and to the right, the roll-app effect of the PGA-tour. in the incredible sport that you guys have. Well, Pat, we need to get you guys out and experience a little bit of that. So, like, you guys should come to the players championship next year. Whatever you want, we'll get you there. We'll give you a nice setup. You guys should come and have fun. You're a good man, Brian. We'll see. We will definitely want to come.

We will definitely want to come. We also don't want to ruin any of these things. I was at Augusta. I watched the Masters last. We don't need to be anywhere near. I don't need to be anywhere near that type of situation, but we will certainly evaluate everything else, and we'd be honored. So we're very appreciative. All right. We'll see you. then. How's your game? Are you asked or you good? Listen, I wasn't that great to begin this job. The funny thing is I play less golf in this job than I did before.

That's the problem. So I'm getting worse. I'm getting worse. Now you lost all your bad habits. You're only getting better. Ladies and you gentlemen, CEO, the PGA tour, Brian Rolla. He's a dog. Yeah. Yeah. We see your tweet. I don't need to bring that up. We don't need to bring that up. We were getting pseudo-sued by somebody within the NFL who has a partnership with the NFL because we didn't clearly pay for graphics at one point, but we had highlights. So we couldn't use the NFL's graphics,

but we could use the NFL highlights. So my entire defense was, so can I pause the highlight? If I paused the highlight and the helmets on there, that's a graphic way. Can't pause. Okay, got you. So Brian Roll-up got to hear me really in a full. We were using Conner's logos.

Yeah, we drove up. Is this what you want? This is what I'm saying. Good time. Brian's like, can we please? That was a great thing. Can we please? Please.

We'd love to, Brian. Thank you. He's a weapon. Yeah. He can deal with everybody and anything. That's why he's perfect. There's more to life than finding the perfect car. But finding the perfect car can help you get the most out of life.

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I'm so sorry, I don't look like this. It's not your fault. Yeah, I don't apologize. Three people are to blame for this. Kind of got backstabbed a couple times. That's a good call. Yeah, right? Cody Rhodes got me at crossroads.

Okay, I went for a big right. Once again, I ain't stopped doing that. That's the Oculus. That's the Oculusus problem. You go it. Jelly Roll, I did it to him. I had a high, big whooping one, and he whammy. He saw it coming. I said, I'm not doing it again.

And there I am, granted stage of them all. He just posted a rainy order, and that's my guy. The bell hasn't wrong. He's not supposed to beat us in this, but we were supposed to beat him at this. We're supposed to beat him down before this match starts, so that whenever the match starts, he's already battered. He's already bruised. There's no dot.

Randy Horton's going to beat him. People already beat up. They flipped you on us, didn't he? Yeah, he did. Pretty quickly. Yeah. He knew. He's a crafty, son of a bitch.

And that's the thing about me, you know. Granted, I've done everything in the wrestling business. You have. I've done everything in the wrestling business. That's the thing about being new in there, though. I get so excited. I'm like, oh, here's my moment. I'm going with a big one.

And bang, he moves, catches. I'm upside down. Now I'm in his armpit. I'm in his arm pit. It's not a good place to be. It's like I'm just like hypnitize. I can feel my body.

I can't move it. Like, what am I doing here? I didn't know I was this flexible. I'm not. It hurt. Everything hurt. And then bang right into the mat. And then all of a sudden,

he kicks me out. I fucking fall out of the ring. It's not a short fall. Sackabon's to the ground. Yeah, in my head, it was a lot shorter. It's not. As I was falling through the sky,

it's like whenever I'm in a dream and you know, you're falling. Oh, yeah. That's what I felt like as I was, and then that hits the ground. Boom, lose my. then all of a sudden, Kay, picks me up, throws me up on a desk that I

birthed. Correct. That thing debuted. Okay. In an era in which I was on a commentator, too. That's right. Standing on it on a regular basis,

trying to get one a little bit thicker problem. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Where the hell did he come from? Good question. Great question. I hadn't seen this ex-convict. It was a good man.

Mm-hmm. But in this moment, I think he got lost in a sauce of 106,000 people or whatever it was, 106,000 tickets being sold to be, things, blitteries. Shrapnel. Cots, cots, bang, spinter on my nipples.

I mean, it's a bad spot that I got going on there. Yeah, but I lost my control of my body. Had to get stretched out of there. They stretched me out after jelly roll, jelly rolled me. And that was whenever they decided in the back, you should probably put a, look, that guy, that got right there. What do you say? Like, help you get well soon?

No, no, those marks, they aren't like NFL fans. No, no. No, no, they weren't waiting. saying some mean things you got to read like lions fans i was saying really mean really mean things that was the best that was worth it all and then i came back yeah yeah because i got my body was checked they were worried about my neck but the body was a-okay and you know charles robinson goes down let me get uh let me get out here now a lot of people are asking if this would have been official if i would have made it to three whatever no okay that shirt lace didn't get you too could count a little faster i think

actually looking back at it that's that's that was the big mistake And maybe it was my neck brace. Probably. I should have counted quicker. You figured Randy would you have. That kind of says it all because you sprinted down that ramp and you couldn't tie your shoe because of your neck, obviously. You trip over that shoe lace. So that's going to be tough.

Yeah. And there has been people that have not had good runs down ramps. There was other people who did not break down going down that ramp this weekend. What's that? Big dog. Big dog was going 100 miles an hour. He did not break down. You're talking about Brown Bracker?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Bronbroker did a nice little spear. I think it was nearly just a drop. Boom. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about it. Yeah. Because down at the end there, there's a little drop off.

Yeah. You know? And did I know that as well? I don't know. What a psycho. Yeah, Bronner's back. That's good. There was a lot of things I saw that was like, it's good.

Good internet. Man, is really good. Danhausen. Did you see that? Dan Howson incredible. And his group. And his group of midgets, which Michael Cole said. That's exactly what they wanted to be called.

Michael Cole said, before you cancel me on. online, this particular group of people told me that they want me to call them Hazen's midgets. And they were, weren't they? They showed right up there for Sina. Cena did a phenomenal job. Oh, my God. So good.

And then Roman Rains with what, zero percent body fat? Yeah. Yo. That was quite the different. Those shoes. Is that zero percent body fat out there? That was a hell of a show. Six-man tag?

I'm sorry, six-man six-pack ladder match. Did you guys watch that? Oh, yeah. McDonald's. Spectacular. Expect that. We knew it. We knew it.

We knew it. As soon as, you know, I said in lead up, you know, as I was trying to motivate my friend, right? Former. Yeah, I was going to say. I was going to turn loosely. I was trying to explain to him that everybody's ass. The only thing that's good is you.

Okay? That was the hype up a friend. That's what I'm doing. That is exactly what I'm doing to do it. I didn't even look at Sunday. Okay. So I said Sunday not worth a watch. This is what you need to be watching.

A lot of people took that very personally. I can see that. From my understanding. In the moment you weren't wrong. No, I was just, hey, this is what it's about right here. A lot of people took that very personally. And I was like to let everybody know, I watched that Sunday. From takeoff into land, perfectly timed.

A lot of people said it wasn't long enough. But for me, in my particular flight, perfectly timed. What a show. Penta hit that Mexican destroyer on him. Oh, on McDonough? Yeah. Rusev? Do we know he was going to be in there?

No. What a perfect like. That head thing. Oh, that was a good show. It was great. It was a good show. Brock and Obafemi.

I was not familiar with his game. I'll just say that. Guys, I'm an absolute. Oba is over. Freak of nature. Opa's the talent. SEC, baby.

Yeah. Now, not really, but you get it. Right. SEC shot put. Yeah, you're certainly really right.

He's a monster. I thought he played left tackle, Bable. And how about him just eating an F5? Yeah. Eating an F5. Just getting right up saying, how you doing?

unbelievable way to kick off. I mean, that's too, you don't see that. No. That's what we're talking about. That's what we've been talking about the whole time. Those are WWE superstars. Which, by the way, we learned. We learned, and we learned everything.

Not that one guy in the main event on Sunday. That was a great match. That was a great match, actually. I said it was going to be shite. I was wrong, man. I was wrong. I'm a big fan of where the direction W.E. is going. A few years ago.

New era. Ever called the Triple H. something else, and then we're going triple K's and take his oil. They were saying that out here. As age like's for milk. I mean, we got an oba. We got the Jvonne Evans. Trick Willie. You know, Jade lost to rear.

Welcome back. Rear. You got the title back. But, um, yeah, by the way. I, she doesn't look nearly as Jack. No. She looked so explodes. Like, she... Nimble. Yeah. That was awesome to walk. And then Jade. That was a game plan.

I mean, I didn't know that. Is that? I didn't know. I didn't. built in the lab looks like once again we're continuing to talk yeah here we are wwee you're right congrats w you guys are in great direction man happy you saved it yeah certainly did they weren't a great direction too i tell you what a lot of people took it very personal well and everyone still bitched about it regardless yeah no way both nights oh yeah that's no no no no don't get away from it no hey that's the business baby that is the business that is the

No matter what. Good luck to all parties out there. I would like to say about the American nightmare right there, Cody Rhodes. He just might be the right one. Yeah, that man's the W. That might just be the right wide. That might just be the right why. Just, you know, getting a cheek, because I've been studying them, you know.

Yeah. Tape. Yeah. I'm trying to help out, drop some things in there. It ain't. I need my help in the ring. Okay, he's obviously running or. I could have gave to him.

I wonder if I would have won over to the bell. And they would have been like, like, no. What do we do? I mean, were there any stipulations before? hand put in place, said you couldn't do that? To be clear, I sprinted through guerrilla. I was not in guerrilla. Like, I sprinted right by. What's that, man?

Can't fly out. Who was that? That's where there was no lights, no nothing. Just me come flying in there. So much. I was saved the day. Was the intro on TV when you introduced them? Because that was the depiction of perfection. Yeah, that was a professional wrestling. So much happened. Yeah, I thought about that a lot, you know. I

realized in the moment that I certainly put enough thinking into that instead of everything else that was going on. Yeah, it was an honor. It was an honor to be a part of it. And WWE put on a hell of a two days out there in Vegas. Shout out to the roster. Shout out. They did

a great job. Danhausen is a problem. Listen, if you got out of the weekend, now getting cursed, you on the weekend. I will say I didn't meet the housing. Anything curse you? Whoa. I saw him five different times. Always four. Yeah. Always.

Are you sure it wasn't one of his? I don't. I know the group of Michael Cole said it, not me. Midgets. Okay, that is their group's name. Little people is proper term. We do believe we've been down this road before. Michael Cole said this group would like to be called. I had not seen that particular group with the house.

Okay. I had not seen that. Have you confirmed that his curses actually work? Yes, the Mets lost 11 straight or something. Well, Dan Housins from Detroit, and he cursed all of Detroit's enemies. And that would include the Orlando Magic, and we lost. and we're the one seat in the series isn't over yet. So I'm not a believer in Dan Hosen.

Foxy, I would not be dead. You just say it. You hear that Dan Housen? That's a bad idea. We better win a title, Dan Housen. Foxy, that group is going to walk in here. Yeah. Okay, because of you.

We're trying to stay out of the negative with that group. I need four wins in a row, Dan Hosson. All right, let's move on to talk about sports. NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs happen. Tox tables here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Dad. Cowboys AP Tonis.

You're going back Pittsburgh this weekend. I cannot wait. This is going to be the best week of the entire year. Not even close. I'm very interested. See, the view is going to be amazing. Yes. Okay, the optics of the draft are going to be incredible.

Pittsburgh built for optically awesome things, especially with football with where the stadium is, with all the history. I mean, it is going to be phenomenal viewing. I'm intrigued to see how many people, because there's a lot of Jensers talking right now. I've decided a lot of Jensers talking right now saying, I ain't going to die.

You're right? Right. And then what? Am I supposed to come home or am I just fucking sleep in, daughter? How are we getting out of? That's who we are. We're going to bitch, okay? And it's supposed to be, what, 200,000 people a day? Who cares? Who cares? Who cares what they think? Okay? It's about the TV product. And if it looks good on TV, the rest of the nation thinks it was great, it doesn't matter. See, that's what the interest is saying right there, because now they're adding to the, I actually kind of want to watch the city. Yeah, I love here on TV while it's happening. I don't know why I need to go. I'm hearing a lot of people come around and be like, yeah, I'm going to go down to see.

I think push comes to shove. I think push. I think push comes a shove last day. I want to get down to see it. Frank's going to get asked about it. Hey, we got a ride going down right now. Do you want to go? I said I wasn't going. Are you sure you don't want to go?

All right. There ain't anything else. Like the weather Thursday. I know Friday. I know Yenzers. The weather's supposed to be immaculate. They're going to get off of work on Friday and everyone's heading. Oh, tarps.

I cannot wait to see the crowd down there. Yeah. If they see people too on the TV that aren't Jensers, they're going to be pissed that there are people that aren't Ingers on there, and then they're going to need to go to represent Pittsburgh in itself. This is a nice little social experiment for Jensers as we look from the outside in here. I'm excited to see how they handle it. I think it's going to look amazing.

I think it's going to be fantastic. I think you're going to learn a lot about Pittsburgh football in the history of how much football matters to the area. I think you're potentially also going to learn that J. I ain't doing it. There's a lot of that potentially as well in the city. We'll see how it goes. nine-year NFL vet. Darius J. Butler is here. Hey, everybody.

Excited for the draft spectacular, brother. I think we got a good one. I am. Obviously, Bill Kauer, I can't wait to be in his presence for those few hours. It will be a little faster. Can't wait for that. The crowd, can't wait for that. I should be electric on all fronts.

Bill Kauer is excited. Oh, yeah. Bill Kauer is knowledgeable, and Bill Kauer is going to love that he's back in Pittsburgh. Okay, and we are incredibly thankful and lucky that he'll be joining us. A.Q. Shippley, we'll also be there. And maybe some surprises. Maybe some surprises. Not like what we did to the WWU world.

Okay. That was pretty dope. That was a good surprise. Top notch. I felt pretty good about top. Fantastic work. Surprise, nerd. Did you see all the wrestling people

the way we were reporting it? Calling your fans that paid money to be there, nerds is not a good idea. Who said that? Like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Okay. Shut up.

Nerd. That was awesome. Exactly. It's literally the business. Exactly. The fact that we ran that live. the amount of things. That's good.

I mean, we knew that was going to happen. We said, hey, you put big surprise up on that thing. Those people are going to drone like zombies right over. They're surprised. Surprise, surprise, surprise. We knew there was going to be a massive, massive crowd. I mean, just well-executed, well-done, hilarious on all fronts. And even the people in the crowd, most of them were like, oh, man, he got us pretty good.

It was a fun run. It was a fun run there. I'll tell you what, three weeks. Okay, that's how long that was. Did that feel like three weeks or did that feel like two years? Yeah. I can imagine how long it felt for you, yeah. It was a good time.

Thank you, WWE for the opportunity. And I would like to say, I think the relationship between ESPN and WWE started off good there. Yeah, strong. We'll see, I guess. Everybody will kind of see, because there was some wanderings, there was some worries. We'll see how, you know, everything goes. Excited to be a partner. That'd be a good partnership for a long haul.

Oh, yeah. See sports media people. So you got the wrestling people mad that ESPN's doing stuff. Yep, yep. And then you got the sports media people. mad about Why the hell are we talking about WWE?

By the way, our show 90% of the NBA and NFL tournament I don't think that was highlighted enough. I think that was kind of just thrown in there for thing. We're here for sports, but also WWE and ESPN partnership

I think it's a pretty big one. Yeah. I think there's a lot, I think entertainment. I think it's a pretty big thing. So everybody buying into it, I'd like say to the people at ESPN, not that I speak for anybody

literally. I do not speak for wrestling fans, and I do not speak for the WWE. I do not say that. But I appreciate that the ESPN folks did go all in. Like, that was cool. That's a good way to welcome a new partnership. Yeah, for sure.

Wouldn't that be fun? Did you see them made a documentary about inside the NBA, too? ESPN did, welcoming them in. Did not see that. That's really cool of them to do that. That's a cool thing to do to people that are coming to your network, you know? That's a very fun thing to do.

That would be awesome to experience. Yes, it would. Wouldn't that feel good? That would be good. So congrasses, ESPN, WWW's relationship. I think it would be amazing. And congrats to everybody going all in. That was fun.

That was a fun road to WrestleMania there for the last, that was fun. Dimensions, I'm excited for those stuff. Yeah, I bet. You could see that. Give it. Just want to ruin everybody. Just want to go into the profile, scroll through the photos. It would be easy.

Screenshot the photos. Do a little bit more research. Previous articles wrote by person. Screenshot that stuff. I had some time yesterday on that flight one person in particular almost got a full on buzz and I said not

I'm out of business true which I am that is a good move though just picking one out of just so I see you're like Nick that's what Nick has always been

just one old Frankie Skates back there he's always the friend send it send it send it because I'll screenshot something about to be just a murder just a murdering of somebody with facts, reason, and actual logic, and photo evidence.

I can't just do that anymore on X. I used to really go at me. You know, you talk shit about me, sweet, you open the door. I'm going to murder you now. Let's go ahead and see who's, let's go ahead and do this, you know. Can't do it anymore. Nick's always the guy you've got to send a message. Sounds like you are as well.

I'm not going to see, I'm not going to send an example. Just one. No, you guys are bad people, okay? We don't need to go into that budsaw anymore. We're done with the business. Okay. Rest and peace. Are you sad?

It was a good run, man. Great, Ron. It was a good run. Yeah, it was a good run. I remember the first day. Well, if you treat every day like it's your first day, actually, which is one of the WWE rules, always has been. Every day could be the most exciting day in WWE.

And I think I tried to do that literally every single day. Mm-hmm. Pretty isolated last three weeks, though, I will say. Didn't really see anybody. Didn't really talk to anybody. That's healing. That is healing. Had no internet or anything on that.

the bus you know just kind of locked away just locked away me go ahead and open his fucker up where am i headed that way all right i hate everybody in here yeah and then right back out that was a crazy run oh yeah what a road i'm not sad i'm thankful hell yeah and on that note boom all right it good run it was fun i loved it was childhood dream a lot of them yeah multiple WrestleMania's. Mm-hmm. That's, you know. Yeah.

Multiple main events. Yeah. So cold. I mean, just so many different little moments. Stunner. Yeah, obviously. The run down the ramp. That,

that personally, I mean, that's my favorite thing you've ever done. Oh, my God. Oh, man. I felt pretty athletic. Yeah.

As I was running, I'm like, all right, everything's kind of hold up. If you don't have perfect posture there, you're collapsing. That's my next. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, just so stupid. All right, let's get out of here. Let's move along. Joining us live from Manitken, Ohio is a man. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hogg.

Yay, Hago! C2, C5. Any workouts I need to do? I'll tell you what. Prayers up for your scans. I hope they come back very positive, obviously. I hate to see you in the neck brace again. It's tough to see you this way. But you do handle it very well as we saw you sprinting down the ramp at a 4-4 pace.

That was amazing. Thank you. It was a little downhill. It might have been 4-5, 4-6. Who knows? That was just three-quarter stride, too, because I didn't want to mess up the neck too much. You know, I didn't want to mess up the neck too much.

Down there at the bottom, I should have done a little bit more calculation on the drop-off because there was a lead-down and then a pick-back up. And I guess I should have kind of quicker. I'm not even wearing the same shirt as the refs. Okay. Oh, G. I am old school. I am old-school. Yeah, throwback.

A mistake I made, AJ, I should have count quicker. That's on me. I mean, but you were a legit rep. But in the moment, though, you're a showman as well, and you're an entertainer, so you can't just boom, boom, boom, one, two, three. You know that. You're right. Oh, goodness.

Yeah, I mean, that's it right here. Maybe that's what Randy was upset about. I already got that I respected the business. Yeah. Because I did think if he's going to become, Oh, good call, Tony. Because he wanted to quick count. But I didn't, I didn't want to do it.

No, because you're. To honor. But also, the question remains, if I do count the three there. Does it even matter? Do they ring the bell and you guys are out of there? I don't know, yeah. I do not know. I think it matters.

Yeah. I do not know. Cody was clearly respecting the count. All right. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that tried to get into a little WWE action himself on X. He decided to go after an entire city.

I used to be one of you. Let me go ahead and showcase how I know I used to be one of you. One of the greatest tweets I've seen in a while for a guy clapping back at a city trying to say, don't you talk about us? You're different now. You live in the city of stars.

You want a Super Bowl with the Rams. You're one to Walter Payton Man of the Year with the Rams. You are celebrated. It is an old-time great ram. You don't need you talking about our city over here in Ohio who hasn't won it ever. Ladies and gentlemen, a friend of the program, Amazon Prime Pundit,

absolute stallion, Super Bowl champion, future first bout hall of famer. Who think? Yeah, man, who knows? Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Whitworth. Yay, Ray, wait, wait. What up, baby. How you doing, man? Gentleman, gentleman. I'm good, baby. I love what you tweeted there to Cincinnati.

Can we please run through all of the things briefly here. You played 168 games as a Bengal. That would be enough. You could have put period. Sent that thing. Three division titles. Hey, we did some good things together. Could have sent that and stopped.

Five straight playoff appearances. Six total. If we're counting, just as a total. Could have sent just that. Had all four of my kids there. That's like, hey. That's a big deal. Okay, that's kind of the thing.

This is where you kind of take a good turn in my eyes. I've been to Jeff Rubies a thousand times. I pretended to like Skyline Chili when I was sober. I've stumbled drunk around Mount Adams eating pizza. Montgomery and barbecue is literally in my fridge right now. He spent many a night in the courtyard Covington, sat in Red Sweet with Neil fucking Armstrong, watched Amy Grant with the CPO at Cincinnati Musical.

I parted with Nick Lachay. That's a huge one. 98 degrees, obviously. Club bang on 4th Street. If you know that, you're a Sinti person. You ate the Bloorga Sushi boat in the regular. You sat with Charlie Sheen as he smoked the SIG in the Queen City Club. Wow.

Obviously, big time, big time Cincinnati Day. And then you said the list goes on. So I'll use we respectfully. Any damn time I want. Who day? Okay, so this obviously all comes as you start to celebrate the Cincinnati Bengals move of Dexter Lawrence, I would assume. Can you explain to me how you think that happened and why you think this helps the Bengals? And if you're going to be, you were the pride of the jungle, proud of the jungle this year.

If this is going to make Cincinnati a lot more lovable worldwide, why does anybody care? How do you feel this helps the team and why do you like the move, Witt? I like the move just because to me, I think of our run in 2011, 2011, 2015, Pat. We went to the playoffs five years in a row. And one of the things that I always stuck to me when I left there and I got to L.A. And I think of some of the swings that we took when I was with the Rams organization is it always felt like, all right, we're a damn good football team. We just can't quite get over the hump. But there was never this all-in moment from the organization.

And when I say that, I'm talking from up top. Hey, let's go make that big trade. let's go sign that one more person to a contract that maybe we're pushing it a little bit in the cap but we're saying hey we're going to win a damn Super Bowl to me that's what's been missing in my opinion in the Joe Burrow era is like all right you do have this unbelievable quarterback you do have some really talented receivers and you have been able to put up some great offensive numbers but where are the big swings every offseason that say I think sometimes you need to put the whole building on notice we're all in like we're going to go try to win a Super Bowl, and that's the bottom line. And so I think to me, this was their version of that.

It's more about the message. Do I think Dexter Lawrence is a good piece to them having the opportunity? Hell, yeah, I do. But I also love the message. We're sending the whole team a message, hey, we got a window. We're about to go try to take that window right now. Everybody lock in and let's go. Seems like it was a good deal for both parties as well that get done. I did not expect Duke Tobin to ever do this. This is obviously a top 10 pick trade. The first time they've ever done that in the history of the Bengals. We all assumed that everybody would want Dexter Lawrence if he was available because how good of a football player he is.

Tell me a little bit about how the Cincinnati Bengals decide Dexter Lawrence instead of Trey Hendrickson. Is that the conversation, you think? And with the way Trey is kind of gone the last three years, and then now we bring in sexy Dexy to the D-Line. Do you think they were just ready for the next chapter there without Trey? Like, how do you think we get to this point? And should I even consider that being tied together?

Yeah, I think people are going to make that the argument. but I would say it's two total different things. I think of an edge rusher is edge rushers are a lot easier to handle in the sense of you can chip, you can adjust protections, you can do a lot of things to take one single edge rusher and try to limit their impact. But when you're talking about interior push, destroying guys in the run game, being able to create 100-something pressures over the last few years like this guy has done in his time as a New York giant, like that's something you just can't do much about.

He's getting double team and it doesn't matter. He's going to impact the interior of the defense. and that offense is going to have to adjust for how they proceed with him there. I think that that's just a huge piece to when you start to say, all right, let's look at how we can be better. I mean, we forget they have performed on offense. I mean, they lost games last year in just absolutely head-scratching, frustrating ways because they can't get off the grass and defend on defense.

When they have defended on defense, they went to a Super Bowl. And that was when DJ Reader and Trey and those guys were playing really well. And don't forget, they didn't build that through the draft. either. They built that through adding some free agents at a price and saying we're going to go spend some money, some veterans around here, and then the emergence of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. And so you look at this now and you say, hey, where they were in the draft of the 10th pick, where are they going to get that superstar defensive player who without question is playing and playing a lot as a rookie? They were unsure if it was going to fall that way.

This gives them a guaranteed football player, a guy who's going to impact the football game on the defensive side of the football up front in the interior right now. They don't have any questions about that. So I think to me it gives them a guarantee. It makes them say, hey, let's go play some defense, let Joe Brewer do his thing, and let's get ourselves back in the Super Bowl. Don't forget where it is this year. They want to redo. They want to be back in Sofa having an opportunity to win a Super Bowl again. And Aaron Donald is the one that wrecked that. By the way, last play, Interior D. Lyman, wrecked it for the Bengals. They would have had your ass. They would have had your ass. That little confetti moment with that little confetti moment with your kids, which is like

one of the most beautiful moments of all the time, never happens. Okay, never happens if it wasn't for Aaron Donald, just blowing the entire play up seemingly out of nowhere from the middle of the defensive line. I, uh, the thought of Dexter Lawrence with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins now all of a sudden. Yeah. Now that we know Jamar and T. Higgins a little bit more, okay, after the Radio Row appearance. Yeah. What the fuck quarterback for the bear's name? Okay. That way, that was Jamar Chase, it was the best. Dexter Lawrence, by all accounts, is the best, right? Yes.

And that kind of what the thing was. I think there was a report that Hardball was not allowed to talk to Dexter Lawrence or something because the agent denied any conversation. I didn't even know that was allowed. But I think it's because Dexter Lawrence is like the best. Hardball could have gone in there. Been like, hey, listen, this is boom, boom, boom. So I'm excited for that.

Lockroom may be becoming electrifying as well over there. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, as no lineman, a guy that you played with, Gino Atkins. I was with you for one year in Cincinnati. I remember there's times in practice, an interior D-Lyman. Gino would shut practice down. They'd have to take him out because the guy was so disruptive.

I'm just curious with Dexter Lawrence. Is that something you're looking for from him in the interior? And how tough can it be for an offense when you have a guy that's interior that gets a great push on past plays, but also is impossible to move in the run game? Yeah, I mean, look at it too, really. You look at what Baltimore lost this year in Tyler Lindembaum in the center up front. You look at really the Steelers trying to figure themselves out of up front,

who their group's going to be and the Browns as well. So when you say, hey, we're going to go out of dominant force in the interior. And don't forget Cincinnati's situation, it's all about all the other pieces that matter, too. Two young linebackers going into their second year. Now they're going to have an absolute stud playing in front of them. How's that going to impact them and be able to play at a high level? You've brought in a lot of other free agents, whether it being the secondary or boy, my face, and another edge rusher.

Now this frees you up in the draft to go, all right, we probably need another secondary guy. Let's look at some interior help in the offensive line because Dalton Risner is only in a one-year deal. The rest of your line looks to be together for the future years. And then, you know what, is there that dynamic edge rusher on third down that we can get? Because here's the reality of Trey Hendrickson. He's a hell of a player. But here's the truth. He is ranked at the top of the group when it comes to sacks and pressures of the quarterback, no doubt.

But let's go look where he's ranked in the run game in all those years as well. And it ain't up at the top. So my point is, is that you're talking about a guy who, yeah, he put up a lot of numbers. played against a guy like that I would compare him to in Arizona and Chandler Jones. A lot of statistical things. Hey, going to create a lot of sacks. He's going to get some pressures on the quarterback. But you know what else you can do? You can run the football right at him all the time anytime you want. So when you're dictating the terms on defense, that's the reality. And so to me, I think when you talk about a guy like Dexter Lawrence,

you're talking about all three downs. How can we affect it? How can we go get maybe a guy in this draft that's an electric pass rusher who can come on the field on third down and have been there while we also have the interior push of Dexter Lawrence. That's just the reality. Trey's a hell of a player. Is he a guy you want in a closing situation? No doubt about it. If you're up in a game and you want to get off the grass, that's who you won't

rushing the quarterback. But when you're talking about a defense that's been 30th in the NFL, it's been dead last. I think they're trying to figure out how do we put all the pieces together that help us be a total defense, not just one that can win on third down and eight when we need a got to go get a sack. I love that you said they are trying to figure out there as opposed to we because of the tweet. But then at the end, you know, you spoke as we as a Bengal fan. I think anytime you build up the trenches, you know, Jerry Jones kind of said it whenever you traded away Micah. Now, is it going to end up being true with Mike up at Green Bay? I doubt it. That offense or

that defense, obviously, he was in on like every single play. But Jerry said like, we've got to be able to stop the run. Maka. Michael is not stopping the run. Call him the wrong name. And then he said that you need to be able to stop the run. That's a very, very. real thing, especially in this NFL right now. Right now it seems to matter more than ever, which is why I think the trenches are going to be spotlighted more than ever. There's some interesting decisions being made with young guys or just being hypothesized that are seemingly easy.

I don't know if that's the case. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Bigwood, it's draft week. When you look at the top for tackles, it's Maui No and Fano, both right tackles in college. And a lot of people have their third right tackle as Blake Miller, or sorry, third tackle overall, Blake Miller's a right tackle as well. but then some of the teams at the top, they need left tackles.

How do you feel about guys who are very, very talented? Can they make the move to left tackle? And then also, like the Lions, depending on who they take, have talked about moving Seoul over to left tackle as well. How hard is that as a tackle to move from the right side to left side or vice versa? I think when you're talking about coming from college to the NFL, not as big a deal, as long as you don't have something where the guys got an injury or a limitation where he can't switch feet.

I think that the biggest thing, though, is when they get to the NFL, you know, you don't want to toy it that much. It's too, you know, everything becomes too nuanced. It becomes you got to be so elite at it that you don't want to be flipping all the time. I think it's one of the craziest things ever watching Tristan Wurfs and Penae Soule the last few years being able to do that. Like I just was one of those people literally left side. Once I started playing it, that's all I could do.

You know, the athletes, those guys are. It just shows by their ability to do it. I just think once you get to the NFL, it's a tougher thing to me. I just don't know a lot of guys who flip side to side who are your elite players. And if I want an elite guy, I want to find the side I want him to be on and I want him become elite at it. And so I think drafting them in the draft, I don't get over the concern about, especially when you're talking about those guys.

You're talking about some guys that have all the skill sets possible to play the positions, each one of them, and whether it be their size, their athleticism of length, all those things. So really it's about, hey, what's the guy we're the most comfortable that? I'm sure they've seen them move and they say, hey, this is the guy we're the most comfortable be able to move over there. And that may be why they lean to one of them over the other because they feel like they can get over there, take the kind of kick sets they want,

play with the balance and the position, and they see the most upside and then be able to flip over and be the same guy. See, I'm only a left tackle. Yeah, me too, Pat. I just can't. I know athleticism with the right kick. Well, you also played guard for my understanding, right?

And you said it was the easiest thing you've ever seen because people are just running into you or whatever the case is. That was Big Raiders ice cream era. That was a big Graders, Black Raspberry Chip. You know, that was a big area. I was 365 then, so almost 100 pounds from where I am now. So it was a big, that was a big boy. I was big wit, for sure then.

That's when Justin Smith, you talked about the WWE. Justin Smith at that time used to call me the big show. That was actually my nickname. Well, it's the Witt Show. That's it, baby. I know, I saw your wrestling aspirations at that league meeting. Lee, league, Rashido. I'll tell you what.

That looked good. Yeah, I should have been preparing right there because I would take some lethal shots just a few weeks later. You know, Whit, I would have... I would have had you back, Pat. Exactly. I got you, baby.

It's too late now. You were too busy Twitter fingering with Cincinnati. That's what you were doing. You were doing the whole... My bad, bro. I dropped it. Yeah. I dropped the ball.

That's on me. That's on me. Well, good news is you'll never miss it again because I'm out of the... business forever. That's right. Okay, speaking of business forever, and we just talked about, you know, guys that are tall, athletic, have all the things to make. There's a guy that's been doing it a long time, just got rewarded again. They're talking goat conversations. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Witt, Pat's talking about Trent Williams getting that two-year,

$50 million extension with the Niners so he can go back. We've kind of seen Brock Purdy in the Niners without Trent Williams, and clearly they're affected whenever he's not on the field. Is he kind of the greatest left tackle of all time? Where do you kind of put him. And also, what does just having that kind of stalwart at the left tackle do for your entire team? Because we've seen, you know, Trent Williams pregame against Cleveland Browns when they're going to throw down and fight. And then Trent walks over and then everything kind of stops. What does he mean for this team? And where do you kind of see him ranking on the all-time list? You know, I actually made this point on Thursday night football this year. I actually think

Trent, in my opinion, has really, he's put himself there as the all-time great. I really do. And listen, Anthony Munoz was a mentor of mine and somebody I've looked up to him my whole life, the man he is, the player he was. He was so generationally ahead of his time. He was an unbelievable player and to me has held that for a long, long time. But I think what Trent has been able to do, not just in the run game, not just in the past game, in the screen game, the athlete he is out in space. I mean, DBs and especially now that they can't go low and try to take out the legs and they have to stay up with this freak of nature. Exactly.

Sherman, I argue about it all the time. And Trent, it's unfair. I mean, it really is unfair. I think he is, without question, the greatest athlete and impact left tackle in the history of the game. I mean, I think that to me, when you really look at all three levels of what you're asked to do, and then you talk about consistency, longevity, ability, availability, and adapting to today's game and every version of the game, he's had to play.

play through. He's the greatest to me of all time, and he submitted himself as that. As a guy who's going to be a Hall of Fame left tackle, that is very cool to hear you say, by the way, that humility, but also the reasoning on why we should maybe view him as the greatest of all time as well. I appreciate the hell out of that wit. Now, I will say, after seeing you at the league meetings, and I told you this, I do think I can maybe, I do. No change. You saw my head off. You saw it. You felt it. Did you, you did feel it a little bit? With you $2.65? I'm close.

Too good a shape. Hey, Pat, my insurance goes out this year. So I'm thinking about pulling a, you know, I think I'm going to join Rivers and be full of Phillip Rivers. I'm going to get my five years of insurance back this year, maybe. I'm trying to see what a game. How many games you got to play? Give me a shot, baby.

Bring the big show back. How many games do you have to play to get that? Just one? I think you just got to be on one. I mean, come on. Let's go. McVeigh, come on, man. Please.

One game. Shanahan. Let me come be the right tackle for a week. I don't know. Come on, guys. I know the system. Does it count for practice squad? Because they've got vets on practice squad now since COVID.

Remember, COVID, they opened up. I think you got to be on the roster for a game. I think that's the thing. Don't even have to play. You can get on. I got a lot of kids. I mean, we need this. Come on, guys.

I think it seems pretty easy to just put you on a roster. Kind of cut and drive. Yeah, and we should start doing this. Every team should negotiate in an extra roster spot to bring in a veteran for a week, you know, to keep up their insurance. Give a speech. I assume you'll give a speech. Yeah.

I see you do, you do the entire thing. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe show team too. You know, get some reps in with the helmet on, get some pictures. Oh, he was really there mixing it up. You know, that whole thing. Do you think you could? Because when I was looking at you, see, I was on the same team as Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis.

Okay, so I... Yeah, I don't want to do that. No, but I understand the chess game of this entire. Sure. So when I saw you, you know, I'm going to try to speed you. I'm going to try to speed you right now, get you thinking you're going out there. You're 265 right now. I think I'm going.

Yeah. Walk him back. You're going long arm. I think I'm going long arm. Walk the dog. Yeah, he's got short arms. Short arms. Yeah.

I'll be able to get that. I'll be able to get that hand right there, right? Don't you think that'll be that? That hand will never touch me. What? You wouldn't even make contact. It would be past. Yeah.

I got 36. I got 36. I don't think you got a long arm would not be the road I would go. If I was going to go any road, I would not go that one. we'll feel it out. It's chess game. Yeah, exactly. Last thing he'd expect. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, there you go.

Who knows what happens with C2 here, C3, C4, you know? Yeah, I was going to say, watching you run to the ring, little vertical in the stride, if you think you're going to long. I had a net with a lot of way. I think we'll have a doctor on at 205 Eastern, by the way, Dr. David Chowell for him. Okay, perfect. We'll be coming on and talk about my skin. Okay, let's get the pass rushing. Go ahead, Dee, Butt.

Yeah, arm lifts. It's actually kind of part of this conversation always. is a draft season. But with the top rushers in this year's draft, you got Ruben Bain, June, you got David Bailey, you got Rees. Bailey's the more polished one. Reese, that's the potential. Maybe the next Michael Parsons. And then

Bain, dog in the past game, dog in the run game, but the arm lift is a question. As a tackle, which one of these young guys are you see having the most success early on? And they're probably having the best career as it goes. Yeah, I mean, I think when you get into the arm league conversation, I mean, it's really, just like I've told

you guys before when it comes to tackles, it's about what's their strategy outside of that? How do they execute those things in the game, whether it be being able to get hands off of them, being over to rip and do some of those things? I mean, you look at a guy like Micah Parsons, people don't even realize, I mean, he barely uses his arms. He's just so good at being able to manipulate his body, you know, much like really good receivers who you don't get hit hard very often. Michael Parsons is really good at being able to dodge and dip and kind of slip all the different hands that he gets from tackles. He's really able to do that at extremely high level.

you know, whereas you had like guys like Aaron Donald. He didn't have some crazy arm link, but for his size, he had decent arms. But he was unbelievably strong and good at getting your hands off of him, be able to knock your hands off of him. He had a plan all the time. We've seen him fighting the knobs and everything else. So you've got to become an expert at what it is that you think you need to be able to execute. And so when I look at those guys, I mean, I just think when you watch pain play, man, too, the effort, the energy, the passion. Like, it feels like a guy that you're like, man, inevitably this guy's going to figure it out.

one way or another because it just seems like he has a motor that's different, and that's something to me that means a lot. But, you know, obviously, I think Bailey, some of those guys have some rare top-end talent where, you know, you got to see them rush, I think, at the NFL level to really know, because to me, I want to see your ability where you look in college a lot of times, it's like, man, they beat him with speed, the guy flips his hips, it's over. You know, they go dip underneath or go underneath the guy. Like, that's not going to be NFL tackles. They're going to be in front of you, then you're going to have to have counter answers to all your things that you think you're going to be able to do. And so really better to see them their rookie year, their ability to adapt and counter or be an expert at that one thing they do.

We think of Jared Verse, you know, really coming onto the scene with his power, then he's going to have to adapt. We've seen last year, not as much of an impact at times because he's going to have to adapt who he is and how he plays. And so I think when you look at these guys, their ability to adapt and their ability to develop counters is really going to dictate how good they're going to. going to be at the next level. Can't wait to see the next group of super freaks out there. I mean, it's every single, that's why Trey Hendrickson in that Ravens jersey that debuted this weekend. Oh, yeah.

That's just not what you expect. It's a little bit of a surprise. Looks like a Raven if I ever seen one. That's a tough position. That's a tough, you've got to be so explosive, so strong, so fast. That's my least favorite day ever. The uniform day, the picture day. Like, you know, just no thank you.

No thank you. 8K cameras now. They got 8K cameras. Scream at the camera. Give us a rah-rah so we can show you in the stadium, pumping the fans up. Like, I don't give a damn. Let's just play the game.

I don't want to do this. One of my favorites. That was my day. I was not part of that day. That was one of my favorites. It's a selfish wit day. And I appreciate that you backed out of those genuinely. They only asked me to do it twice.

And they said, give me your football face. That's all right. I'm not doing this, and I was never invited back. You didn't give him a good football face? No, I said, I don't know what that means. I genuinely don't know what that means. You know, like a football face. I was like, okay, I know what you're talking.

Well, look, I mean, quarterbacks can look cool. Receivers can kind of like show the ball and flash it. Running backs can kind of do the Heisman. Like, as a lineman, what's a cool thing? A picture of you. Like, I'm in a kick set. Like, that's cool and intimidating. Like, no, thank you.

I guess that is. I don't get to it. three-point stance for anybody, damn it. So I'm not getting that three-point stance for a photo. Three-point stands. The belly button on some of the offense alignment, too, with the way the jersey is, especially if you're moving like this. I think you got to do a yell, right?

You probably always had to do a ha-ha. You got to scream. Yeah, you got to give a roar. No, thank you. Any pause for the Bengals? I mean, if they go white unies, you're totally screwed. Oh, yeah. That's just a tough look for Alignment.

Elevator buttons, bellies. I mean, we got to think about this for Thursday night. There's going to be so many stupid videos that these guys are forced to shoot. Oh, hey, look, have fun. You just got drafted. Dream come true. People behind the camera trying to work it. Yeah.

They're standing there. And then it is a full 360. Let's do a full 360 view of this guy. Spitting a football doing the casual thing. I mean, that's what's coming on Thursday night. There's going to be a lot of big boys allegedly. Go ahead, Ty. Last question.

Yeah, Witt. I think it's probably like five years ago. where everyone was saying that O. Lyman and college just weren't as good or weren't as ready to come into the NFL with the way the college game has changed. But over the last several years, we've had runs in the first round. We'll have 10 plus O. Lyman get drafted. Do you think that's a byproduct of guys being a little bit more, you know, a little bit better now and more ready to come in and play right away? Or is it just that, as we've seen, like, it is impossible to kind of keep the same guys on your offensive line. and you need to have at least, you know, eight to ten bodies in that room who are capable because it's just impossible to stay healthy throughout the course of the season.

Yeah, I mean, you look at this draft. I mean, they're talking anywhere six to seven guys going on the first round. So this is one of the more talented groups, you know, as I've talked to some guys across the league than in years past. And so I think really one of the things that's happened is that in the O-Line world outside of the NFL outside of college football, whether it be, you know, La Charles Bentley or Duke Mayweather or any of those guys that are training guys. You're starting to have these facilities.

Thank you, Shipley. Yep. Oh, yeah, AQ's now doing it. I saw that. Like, you got a lot of these guys that are now specifying in training guys outside of all of that. And so I think that's really what's had to happen. I mean, I used to have this argument all the time with the league when they would come talk at our seminars about the flag football push.

Like, I love getting more than people involved in football. But, like, if we're going to eliminate practices and preparation at the NFL level, so Lyman are getting less of those. And then also at a younger level, we encourage everyone else to play the non-padded version of football. Like, where are we ever going to get linemen development? So at the beginning stage and at the ending stage, we're going to eliminate your ability to prepare to become a lineman.

So where do you want them to develop from? And so they're one of the biggest part of our game. They're what separates our game and makes it different. And so to me, I think what's really happened is you've seen some guys be able to specialize in training offensive lineman, give them a home, somewhere to go in the offseason, somewhere to develop in high school and junior high and in college outside of just their facility to go develop those skills that it takes to be ready. And I think that you're starting to see now the impact that's having, you're having more and more guys that are able to come in,

play early, and be successful. And I think we're starting to see a little less of that dip that we kind of felt there through those years because I think you've seen some guys coming and play really well as young linemen. So I'm excited about that. And I think that's only going to continue to grow because I think that's something a lot of guys that are former players are getting into and really seeing that this is a big part of this thing now. With the NIL money with everything else, now even linemen are making money in college, which is crazy, right? So, you know, that's the truth. Where there's money being given to players, there's going to be people out there trying to create a business that they can get some

of it. So I think that to me, now you've seen the development of offensive alignment outside of just their facilities and their teams is growing. And so is the impact it's having on us having more productive guys being available in the draft. I love the explanation. It makes sense because the drills that you have to do are strenuous. They are hard. They suck. Only position in the world plays the back to the ball at all times, Pat.

Not only that, also somebody trying to break your back every single play, hand-to-hand combat every time. None of the movements linemen do are like athletic movements you do as a kid. Like, nobody doing any of that stuff. So the one thing about it is it's not just like you're, you know, I'm not. saying it's some crazy athletic movement. What I am saying is it's something you have to retrain your entire body to do because it's not something you did growing up. Most of those body positions, most of the things it takes to anchor and everything else have to be learned over time. And it's not something you did growing up as an athlete for most players. So it takes a while,

you know, you go with that thing of how many reps you get and how many opportunities you have to do something. It takes a while to develop those skill sets. And so I think it's something very unique and you can't get it by just training with anyone. You need people who are putting you in those positions over and over again. And I think that's the biggest development. In strength training and on the field, we're seeing people adjust movements to what

linemen specifically do, and that's helping them develop. I love that. It's good for the game. Because when they dip, the game dips, we dip. You know what I mean? And that's really, we can't be dipping anymore. Okay, we've got to be striving, especially for greatness with the boys bumping up front. I do like

that you shout it out to shipyard there. The shipyards getting at. All those drills suck. They all suck to do. They're all hard. They're all miserable. They're not fun. But I'll tell you what, at the end of the road is a very green pasture.

Centers are getting $30 million now. You know, the game is going. So I'm excited for it. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champ. Cincinnati Bangal and L.A. Ram legend. LSU Tiger at heart. Andrew Whitworth.

Yeah. I'll say we, whatever I want. Damn right. on top of him. Why are you guys attacking him? Because he doesn't live in Ohio anymore. He lives in Los Angeles and he gets sun. Don't lump me in with the people that are attacking him. No, Witt is like, you know, he was the man there and he still is the man. I think any time he goes back.

No, he felt obligated to explain himself. He made the Bengals fans. But number 10, though. Number 10, sit in the red suite with Neil Armstrong. We could have really nailed down on that and say, hey, did you, Neil, no, did you really, do you think you actually really went to the moon? Yeah, if you wanted to get slugged in the face because that's usually how Neil Armstrong wrong deals with that because he knows it's not true.

I'm genuinely flustered about it all. What do you mean? How crazy it is. We're celebrating it hard here in 2026. As we should. I can FaceTime with my daughter when I'm wherever. I could be in a place with no service. Okay, somehow.

I can open my phone. It can have a little glimmer of hope somehow. And I can face time with my daughter. That type of advancement in technology is outlandish to think about back in the day. and we were celebrating big time that Artemis won up there and did it. Well, they made that phone call too back then, right? Mm-hmm.

They had phones. It was a direct line. Called to the moon. So they had to do the... Yeah, the rotary. Yep. Not NASA. NASA didn't have to do that.

But on that note, way to do it back there in 1969. That's right. That's incredible. Yeah, it is. Think about how incredible that had to be in 1969. Kid me? That's like whenever somebody just first created like electricity. Who did that?

with the key. Ben Franklin. There it is. Think about how pumped they were when they found out that they didn't have to just use the fire stuff. Like we can actually... I mean, it won a war. Like, they got to the moon and it won a war. Yeah, the Cold War you're referring to? Yeah, I'm pumped. We won that. Yeah. I'm certainly pumped. But they even had to think to themselves over there like, really? Really? The moon? That's really far.

Holy shit. They were just kind of like captivated by it. They had to be. Yeah. Yeah. Good for us. And having like the foresight for Neil Armstrong to be like, you know what? I'm going to bring my golf bag up here. Smart. I can, you know, tee this up and hit like that. You know what I mean? I love that. I love that. Hey, I know there's a lot of important shit in here.

I need, I got a nice golf bag. I need that thing to be told it. Like, you know, in good shape when we get up there, I want to flush a four iron off the dark side of the moon. I love that. And that's how sports ties into this. Exactly. And that's why we always have to talk about it because sports were represented.

They were? In outer space at the moon. join us now ladies and gentlemen as a man who represents sports in a beautiful way we're so thankful that he is now becoming basically full-time analyst on ESPN for the NBA especially in the middle of his beautiful NBA playoff run that started with a bunch of boring ass games

and don't look now more boars on the way or is it boring maybe we just don't know enough joining us now NBA champion ladies and gentlemen iman shumper yeah show what's up Sean

my guys what's going on what do you got just I don't know I don't know I don't know if it was boring. I don't know if it was born. We saw a lot of good stuff out there. I don't know if it was born. Okay, so you're saying a lot of good highlights, a lot of good plays by the good teams, even though the good teams are beating the bad teams, except for the Pistons. Let's talk about that right there. What happened with Detroit? I know you were high up on Detroit, obviously, whenever the Hornets were going to potentially get this spot, you actually said, Hornets, that's fun,

that's a fun story. That's a cute story. The Pistons were waiting on them, though. Now, I felt like the same type of energy was being had with the Orlando Magic. Is this a bad matchup for the Pistons? What happened here? Not at all. I think that the Orlando magic have answered whatever issue that we've had with them. Everybody was questioning them. Everybody was pointing fingers at them. The thing about the magic that I like so much right now is most times when they're challenged in the media, guys are challenged, guys are challenged by their coach. They all crumble. I think they came together and they accepted the challenge. They have come out and they've played passionate. They have played together. They have played with a willingness to communicate.

You see their defense going up, and that's what I pay attention to. I pay attention to all the bright spots they have. And then at the end of the game, they got Franz Wagner who decided, you know what, if Paolo Ben-Caro can't figure it out in these crucial times, I know I can figure it out. And at the end of that game, they played through him and looked like a totally different team. It will be interesting to see if game two, they do the same things and go to Palo Ben-Caro early on, let Bain kind of, you know, determine how the games go after. that and then at the end go to their closer in Wagner because they look like a totally different

team when he had the ball in his hands playing from the top. Okay, so if we had to give a alert level for Pistons fans from 1 to 10, 1 being A, no worries here. So it's just serious. Don't even worry about the first game. If anything, you're the number one seed. Detroit has a history of having massive success in the postseason. So don't even worry about what just happened there in game one. 10 being A, this is not good. This could be a problem if this is what the magic are going to be doing. If you were a Detroit Pistons fan.

Well, I'm a bulls fan. But I would say that they have about, they have about, I say a five because this could be one of two things. Detroit was sitting at home, you know, not feeling like there's much anything to do right now. You get stuck in that root of waiting on the playoffs. You're excited, but there's no game. So you kind of lose a bit of rhythm. Looking at a guy like Kay Cunningham, you're not sure how it's going to go for him.

You're looking at the rhythm. You're looking at the steps. The magic looked like a team that just got done playing, that just got done with all those reps and repetition. They've been in closing matches. They've had the game where they feel like, ah, we didn't come out particularly well in that first playing game. But this second game, we really got to take it up a notch. They felt like this matchup is for them. I think they jumped on them early and they did it what all teams do,

which is you're supposed to go on the road and steal one. What Detroit has to worry about is saying, hey, we cannot let them steal two. Stealing two changes the series. I think stealing one, I kind of expected them to not. I expected Detroit to close this one out. I'm not going to lie. Wagner, he definitely surprised me toward the end.

I expected Detroit to close this out. But I would be nervous to say, I don't want the Orlando Magic to say we figured out the recipe for the end of games because at the end of game sometimes they don't close well. If they start playing through Wagner, I think it changes things a lot. Okay. Detroit is at a five panic meter in Iman Schumpert's eyes. How does that make you feel, Fox?

He feels like you were okay with the five. I'll take a five all day because I was at a 10 for sure. As a fan, I watched that game and I said the magic were supposed to be a top one, two, three seed at the beginning of the season. And they played like ass all regular season. and I'm like, did they figure it out? Is that team back? And is that who we're playing right now as an Atee?

That's a problem. But Iman says five, I'm good with that. What was the stat on how to play? I'm only, tell ahead, Sean? I'm only saying that five because you got to think, Kay is coming back. He's still finding his way. He took a couple of tough shots that I felt like not,

not what he usually does. He kind of was forcing the issue a little bit more than I've seen him doing the past. But his is all about rhythm as we look at it. The thing that I was known, nervous about what the pistons was the legs, the pop, the exaggerated defensive closeouts. You didn't see that out of the pistons yesterday. And I think that's all to do with them just not having a game for a week. Seems like an eight or nine panic meter in my eyes.

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I was too fast for my own good earlier. Hitting that right on the screws. That one felt pretty good. I mean, I don't know if you saw that. I mean, right, I mean, that was a hanging curbst. Yeah, right there. Fresh out of what just happened with this. I'm pretty proud of myself.

Okay, so you're not that panicked about Detroit. I like to hear that. And hopefully the Pistons will win for your sake because Orlando Magic fans, I don't even think they were Orlando Magic fans during the playing game. So the fact that you guys are about to get beat by them potentially, that's a sad state of affairs up there in Detroit. I don't like it. Just need the young guys to step up.

That's all this is. Young team, need the young guys to go. All right, number one overall feed. That's incredible news. Let's stay in the east. Let's go to the state of Ohio. AJ has a question for you, Sean. Yeah, Cab's up one-nothing.

They play tonight against the Raptors. And with the addition of James Harden, I guess, what have you seen from him, you know, they acquire him earlier this year? What have you seen from this Cavs team with a team with Harden. Obviously, we know what they're able to do with Mitchell and the other talent around it, but what are the chances of this cabs seem going on a run? I like the calves.

I think they're just in a tough position dealing with the top of the east. Boston and Detroit just scare me on their schedule. The New York Knicks scare me on their schedule. They have matchups that they can win. But when I look at the calves, I just see a Donovan Mitchell that is benefiting so much from James Harden. And it's not just when James Hardin rewards him with an assist. It's not just when he comes off of a ball screen. It's sometimes it's just the attention that James Harden commands when he has the ball or he's on the floor allows people to have to be in a single coverage a lot of the time against

Donovan Mitchell. Even if just for two dribbles, Donovan Mitchell is extremely dangerous if left in single coverage where you have something else to worry about. Because it's a, it becomes a pick-your-poison type of situation. I think James Hardin is also doing a great job in pitching ahead and making people dangerous earlier on in the shot clock before getting it back, which makes you always have to deal with him

in a closed-out situation, which we've seen doesn't benefit anybody when he goes to that dribble package and wants to get up a quick three or a three that can potentially land and somebody getting another foul and a four-point play. I really like them.

It's just the top of the east is tough and the top of the East is tough defensively with multiple people that can guard in the back court. Right now what you're seeing is James Hardin and Donovan Mitchell may be too much for the Toronto back court. Okay, let's talk about the top of the east and the back courts. You were at the Knicks game. I heard courtside.

We're on the wood. You were bopping wood at the game, I heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there, man. Shout out to the New York Knicks, man. The organization always take care of a former players, man. It was a good game. Yeah, I mean, I got canceled out of court side tickets over there in Madison Square Garden directly from the top,

which I completely understand and respect and appreciate. But you're there, boots on the ground, obviously on the wood. What do you think about this next team? We got a real deal because whenever they were playing the Pacers last year, that guy right there, Jalen Brunson, there would become just like periods where it felt like it was an hour and a half of my life where I'd see that guy with DeBalbally wouldn't miss, just like refused to miss, basically.

How do you feel about this next team maybe making a run this year again? I like it. I told everybody early on in the season that I felt like the New York Knicks had the East. It didn't seem like anybody else had anything that, you know, screamed on their roster that they should be doing this. The Boston Celtics were a pleasant surprise. The Detroit Pistons were a pleasant surprise. But we all looked at the Knicks, especially with that run that they made last year and all the decisions and moves that they made to put that team together. They are built to win the East.

And there was a lot of pressure on them. The reason I enjoyed watching them is because Jalen Brunson got off to a quick start. He then controlled flow and made sure to share the sugar. I thought he picked a lot of spots to just turn down moments that we're used to seeing him aggressive. Moment that we're used to seeing him take 20 and 30 dribbles in one possession and forcing the issue a little bit more. But he deferred. They kept running that blast action, getting cat involved on that pinch post, letting two cutters go pie, you know,

over through a couple of them, but you saw him throwing that late pass down the lane to a lot of guys and getting guys involved. And I felt like when he stayed involved within direct action, it led to him having enough rhythm at the end to say, hey, I could turn it on, which is where you saw him get to his mark, scoring the ball.

But the Knicks plan to their ability right now, I just think at the end of games, we need to be able to trust in that two-man game. There's times that they don't score well together. And I just want to make sure that at the end of games, we don't go away from that. Because once you have a two-man game where everybody knows is coming, you've got to then raise the question, can anybody stop it? Eamon's saying, hey, let's not get stupid here like we do every single fucking year. Here we go.

Let's continue to, okay? They say you get tired, but I say we're not running too many. We don't have any threat of anything down to stretch, basically. So that's what you're saying right now, basically? Yeah, I think it really comes down to exit and oath. If the Knicks play hard enough to keep themselves in the conversation, there's always a two, three possession game down the stretch. There's never, rarely do you see them just give up and lay down.

The Knicks go out there and they compete. And that's, you know, half the battle. They're not great defensively, but they're still sound. I think they make a lot of moments up that, you know, other teams have shot blockers that, you know, in a higher frequency, I think Mitchell Robinson is just, you know, dealing with some tough stuff right now. They already started to hack a Hacker Robinson early, you know, just to get him out the game. But that's all it all comes within strategy.

I think that the Knicks just really need to just, you know, relax in the pocket of saying, we're going to hang our hat on the defensive end, which we knew they would dealing with their head coach and his history. You're going to hang your hat on the defensive end. But if you're going to lose at the end, you're going to lose with your guys that you went to go get. It needs to be Jalen Brunson and Kat. You need to be able to put pressure on them and say, if we lose, we lost our way. And that's all I'm asking for. Good luck to the Knicks.

You guys make it a long way and then fire your coach. Okay. And then the Pacers, Pacers, we were game seven of the finals. We're in a lottery now. It's a quick. Oh, yeah. It is a quick. Oh, yeah.

It is a very real thing. So the fact that the Knicks are always in it, I think if I was a Knicks fan would make me excited. Bruce, who's a diehard Knicks fan, obviously excited for this team. this year, it sounds like. Oh, yeah, much better than last year. Like, we are much improved in the Mike Brown era. A lot of it is the X's and O's offensively. I think the Knicks were like 22 and 12 against winning teams this season.

They were 12 and 22 last year. And there was all that talk about how they can't compete with the top of the NBA. You know, that narrative's out. We're ready to roll. Let's go to the top of the east, shall we? Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Shump, so I know we're talking about the Knicks a lot and that's great. but, I mean, you watch the Celtics, and it looks like Tatum, you know, nothing ever happened to him.

He's completely fine. He almost has a triple double the other night. Brown is doing what he's been doing all season. You got Luca Garza just absolutely filling up the bucket off the bench, and they just beat the shit out of the 76ers. Oh, yeah. How, like, I guess as if you're playing on the Celtics, how difficult is it to kind of stay engaged in this series when you probably know you're just going to beat the shit out of them? you're kind of looking to who you have next. And ultimately, I mean, can anyone in the East beat the Celtics? I know we're talking about the Knicks a bunch here,

but just watching these guys play, it just seems like they are much better than everyone else in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, they definitely look head and shoulders above right now. I can't act like that I don't feel the same. I think everything changes with a matchup. We expected them to look this way against a Philly team that didn't feature Joelle and B. we all understand why they beating the shit out of these people right now.

It's not a laydown thing. It's not an X's and O's. They don't have their big brother around. It's easy to beat up on the little brother when the big brother ain't there. So that's what's happening right now. It's not that the Celtics wouldn't already go out there and have their way. We forget that this team is built for success. This was the blueprint.

This is what OKC mimicked, saying we're going to go 10 guys deep. We're going to live and die by the three, but we're also going to get up in pressure. Then they became the DNA. They became the blueprint. We'll see if they repeat. But Boston has always had the DNA of that. They'll switch players and they'll go get other players,

but they usually get players that mimic the way they play. And they play the same way all the time. Anytime you play that consistent, it becomes incredibly difficult, especially now that they have Tatum feeling like he's back into that superstar bounce. It was good to see him really lift off of that leg and really trust. He took a couple of long steps within traffic. Anytime I see him

trusted like that, that's always a really good thing as a Boston Celtics fan. How he has responded post-Aquillies has been spectacular to watch, especially as somebody who has a quarterback who's going through an Achilles recovery who got done by the same doctor, I do believe. That's great news for the Colts, but for

the Boston Celtics, not only Tatum just picking right up where he left off, Missoula's a psycho, but also, from my understanding, you guys brought in a secret weapon this late into the season, Connor? Yeah, last week, lethal shooter came to and you could say that he had a great effect because I don't think a basketball touched a rim

on any of their shots in the first quarter. It was one of the most impressive displays of shooting I've ever seen. Emon, is that, you know lethal shooter, obviously. Yeah, yeah. How was he not on a fucking team? And then also, is he, is this coach, he literally wanting coached the Celtic.

Yeah, he was there for those few days off after the end of the season. Okay, can't wait to get him in here, okay, because we're never going to miss seemingly. But what is it, is that a new, specialty that people are like I've never seen a guy miss I mean first time then he understands it

sure then I see him the internet all right don't that shump why isn't this guy in NBA? Come on now we see a lot of gimmicks on the internet I think it's a hooper don't you be fucking laughing at lethal shooter either hold on I like now we can go look up you could go look up lethal in college

now he ain't no just he ain't no just like oh no he's oh no he got a real clip on him though like it's for real. Like, he could have went. He could have went. It's just like, you got to remember a lot of things in the NBA.

There's a ton of guys that didn't make it because the situation didn't fit. It's like if they were to come out of college two years later, the league kind of changed, then they were a perfect fit. And some guys just missed it by a year, missed it by two years. It's a lot of different times that that happens. If somebody needed a shooter coming out of college when he was coming out, if somebody really needed him and they'd get it. gave him a shot, why can he be

an Anthony Morrow type player? You know what I mean? You got to really think about it. Like, he's not one of those guys that I would call an internet guy. Because I know a bunch of guys that are internet guy. Hey, shut up. Okay, thank you. Legal shooter, hell yeah.

Yes. And thank you for the years of entertainment. And the ingenuity to make a shooting of basketball into something, it could be this, when he started debuting the spiked rim. Oh, man. I was like, all these fuckers on to something, dude. This guy's going to start doing it. Then him and Red Bull started doing some crazy shit shooting on the moon. I think it was in a helicopter at one point.

Gumby bear. Yeah, the gummy bear into the bottle. I understand it now. You do? Yeah, I'm happy to hear that. I do. I think the Celtics do too, which is kind of an issue. Let's go to the West, shall we?

Go ahead, Connor? Yeah, Sean, it felt like the one good series we were going to get was going to be Rockets, Lakers. And there was actually a video posted of Kevin Durant, not missing him warm-ups. And then the NBA sent someone to bang his knees so that Lucas could get back sooner rather than later and kind of extend this series. I'm not sure what the hell happened there, but what did you see in Rockets Lakers? LeBron back to his same old antics. I think he had 13 assists in game one, so he's dealing the ball as well. Do you see this one going seven or once, you know, Luca gets back?

Is this thing all she wrote? I don't know because I didn't, I honestly, I didn't expect even the three days in between games. I ain't going to lie to you. There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff involved with seeing if we go see 77 put the jersey on. But I think it went exactly how I thought it would go. To dare come out there without Katie, I think off sheer disrespect alone, LeBron was going to ensure that however it needed to get done, it was going to get done.

Luke Kinar came out there and played, you know, amazing, having his, playoff season high. I thought DeAndre Aiden got out there and got involved exactly how he should. Just be efficient, play around the rim. Don't make any excuses. Have some pepping your step. He went out there

and gave us all we wanted to see. Marcus Smart went out there and did exactly what I feel like he's supposed to do in playoff form. He doesn't get a lot of credit for a lot of the intangible things that he does, but he does them. But the Lakers went out there and did what I thought they were going to

do. I don't expect much out of Houston without Katie out there. We saw how much their field goal percentage, that three-point percent. Whoa. I heard that if LeBron beats this Houston team with what is currently set up for the

Lakers, the goat discussion is over. Yeah. That's a perk said. And now it's happening. Now we got a guy, Chicago Bulls, jerseys all around his fucking office. All over the place saying he's supposed to beat this team. He's supposed to be

Houston. I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you. I get it. And I get it. Perk puts a lot of pressure on them and they're going to make sure. I get it. I get it. Hey, man, it's all great for TV.

If Katie don't play against if he don't play and Bron Will dog walk this shit. I'm being 100% serious though It's not going to be like this dominating version of LeBron But Braun's best attribute is his basketball mind

He does matchups better than anybody that we've seen And that's from matching up as a team Who gets to shoot on what side of the court What percentages will work out in his head That's what he's good at So KD better get healthy if Katie's not healthy and Houston has to manufacture

points in a brand new way that they haven't done all year when they've gotten comfortable doing everything as Sanguon being the second option like we're not going to still have that anymore. You're telling me that people can now tilt and load up on my side of the floor and none

of those driving lanes are available. I did not like what I saw out of Houston without Kevin Durant. And so if they're going to put that pressure on Braun, I don't know how it makes them the goat. Michael Jordan is still bald with baggy shorts. It's cool. Don't even worry about that.

But it is a very important series when you break down that Kevin Durant just sat out the game one. Like for Kevin Durant to sit out that game and give the Lakers a taste of just, it really just gave them a deep breath to take because I was worried they wouldn't even get a game. I thought they would just run them, run them, run them, and they wouldn't get a game. If Katie sits out, it changes things. It changes things. I hope Katie's okay. Hope we get a good series out of that. And I'm appreciative of the fact that LeBron's a goat, man.

Hey, listen, I guess he's going to have to win five NASCAR races. Yeah, yeah. LeBron's going to have to win five now. It feels like Michael Jordan and his team are starting to figure out the NASCAR thing. Oh, yeah. He's got to win that deep sea fishing championship. True. Yeah, with the Marlin.

I think you've got a big Marlin out there. He's going to have to get a couple good golf courses. Sell more shoes. A lot more shoes. A lot more shoes. They're going to have to sell a lot more shoes. But if he's just carrying the Lakers at the age of 41, oh,

there's a real combo happening all of a sudden, isn't it? It seems like there's a real combo. He's the best for the longevity of a career, being a professional on and off the court. Of course. Let go. Yeah, yeah.

He'd a goat in a lot of different conversations. I totally understand. It's just that black, that black 23, man. That black 23 was different. I got a lot of his shoes here. I got a lot of his shoes here. Man, he was different, man. He was different.

Yeah, that's what they said. I was watching the last dance, and he certainly was. It was different. But, you know, I'm a Chicago kid. Who knows? I could have, you know, I could have grew up in Ohio and then Brian would be the goat.

I could have grew up in Detroit. Then Brian would have been the goat. You know what I mean? I hated on Kobe's greatness for the longest. Just because I wasn't from L.A. Then I realized I was a fan the whole time because I know way too much about Kobe Bryant. if you're acting like I'm not a fan.

I do like how sports creates that, though. I mean, that's a real thing. It does. It happens in sports. That doesn't happen anywhere else. So I appreciate our sports world more and more every day. Last dance, though, Imond. I think I could play in the NBA whenever Jordan was playing.

Okay, I want to let you know that. I think I can play in that NBA. You give me six months. I think I could potentially get the handles to get into that NBA. I don't know, man. Iman, they were dribbling. This was the best teams, right? All those things were all playoff runs.

So those are the teams that were in the playoffs. So I'm assuming. You think that's how Gary, you think that's how we beat Gary Payton? You think they was dribbling like that? You thought, you think Portland was dribbling like that? No, the bottom of the league. Utah, Utah was dribbling like that.

John Stockton was dribbling like that. Okay. John Stockton was coming off the ball screen, putting nail and coping with Paul Jones, buddy. We wasn't even supposed to win that game. Carl Malone and John Stock to have me fearing for my life. Thank you, Sean.

For my life. All right, I understand. I understand. I'll go stop disrespecting. Sean kept without help punishing people at the win. Right, man. Bottom of the league. I'm talking worst team.

I'm talking worst team. Don't do that. Don't do that. It's taking teams in this league right now. You got 18. It's taking teams in this league right now. They're trying to get college players. They're betting on eighth graders.

They're going to get eighth graders. Right now. They're thinking about the freshmen in high school saying, when is he going to be available? They're trading for that. That's what I'm saying. That's in the league every year. We had to beat shit. Like, we're not going to act like the bulls.

Why we always acting like the bulls? They have to do what they had to do what they had. And get through the bad boys. They're like, oh, it was late magic. So. Hey, congrats to the Bulls. Congrats to the Bulls. Thanks for what you did for basketball.

And Michael Jordan, thank you for what you did the basketball. I would like to say that. We beat Charles. We beat Charles. Charles still mad about it. No, people throw that in Charles's face all the time, though. I think that's probably why he doesn't. That's Charles.

He pissed about it. He's supposed to be a champion. Not for that bald guy there or that two, three over there. That's what I'm saying. That's why we talk about this. Y'all talking about the bottom of the league. I don't care about the bottom of the league. It's the bottom.

True. The top. That's it. Michael George. I mean, also kind of the international. I don't, I mean, for what's happening right now in the NBA, I had Michael Jordan. He got a birthday. Yeah.

Good, man. Pretty great. Hey, you seeing you in this neck brace is so concerned, Pat. If I must say so, myself, man. You can't be letting them do that to you, dog. Everybody seemed like everybody. Even on the way out, the fans were saying things that were making the injury worse. Oh, my Lord, they went on my boy.

Oh, they got my boy. It was a bad day. It was a bad day. You see the thing explode. That table could have never guessed. fucking jelly roll is going to be coming on. Oh, my Lord. Of the three, which was the worst?

Was the jelly or? Yeah, that one was, to be clear, none of them are. Or the RKL? This was, that guy just said something very rude to me, you know, and then I wondered about my mom watching at home, and if she thought I was going to be okay. So I was like, I'd give her an okay. Are those licensed pair of?

Yeah, there you go. And obviously, that's for everybody here, you know, just one of those. That's Coda. Yeah, Cota's license, last Vang's pair. medic. Okay. He was good made.

He talked me dying a lot and then he was the one to all. Jesus, Eamon, did you see that? That's so good. That's what I'm saying, boy.

That's a dangerous. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, no. Come on boy. Yeah, Eam. Now, that. I would have went on the stretch after that one.

That's the stretch. That was before. That was right before. I mean, that one right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you just, you just got.

You just got. right up too. Like, yeah, that's, I'd have been, I'd have been asked for my neck brace and my stretcher. I didn't ask for anything, Ebon. Okay, they sent out what they thought I needed. And I'll get my scans back tomorrow. Thank you. Then I came down thinking I think I could count one, two, three.

Look, Randy, that's my guy. That's Saturday night, Eamon. See. That's Saturday night. Randall. Oh, man. Yeah, then I want, I'll tell you what, though. I didn't let it slow me down afterwards, did we?

No. I won gambled. I play a lot of blackjack. I went to a nightclub. I felt like a 95-year-old man in a nightclub. Uh, once saw 50%. We had a good time watching 50. Oh, yeah.

It was like a trip back in time. Tyrese looks like he's having a great time. Tyrese was having a good time. I will say Tyrese was having his WrestleMania moment. Yeah, he was a good scene of spirit. You said, do you guys have shingles there? I've never been. No, that's not how that works.

Oh, shit. Actually, I'm not sure. We will, we will find out. Tyrese, you're in on Tyrese. Oh, yeah, never been more in on Hallie. Kidding me? Absolutely. He had a great performance.

Oh, yeah. He had a great performance, I will say. Through multiple settings, Tyrese had a great performance in all of them. Would have been nice if Kittle would have just let him drink that beer. Well, Kittle and him work in the gimmick right there, too. They were. Kiddle had a lot of beers, I would say. He had a lot of beers, I would say.

He's coughing. He's thirsty. Is that what he's selling there? I don't know. Oh, here's a beer. Kittle says, give me that. Emon, this could be you next year at WrestleMania. Let George Kittle chugge your beers.

I think beer relatively of four. Really? I just don't know. I don't know if I'm going to make it if the playoffs is on. Gee, some good stuff going on, bro. I don't know if I could do that over the playoff. I watched the recap though. Yeah, the clips. Watch the clips. I get it.

I understand what you're saying. I get the clips. I got to watch the game live, though. It's some good shit out here. Yeah, you're right. And there's an alien playing currently in the West. Go ahead, Dibbush. Yeah, while we kind of still talk about the goat

convoy, M.J. Braun, Wimby is kind of like the first player I've seen since Brunner. It kind of has that goat potential on both sides of the court. Now, he just had his playoff debut last night, dropped 35. You know, they pretty much handled the trailblazers wire to wire. But what's your expectations for him now in going forward? Because watching him, Steph Castle, I'm like, man, this team can be on a real run right here. What's your thoughts on Winby and the Spurs?

I like them. I like them. I think if anybody has something to say about the OKC Thunder repeating, it's going to be the Spurs. The only other way I could see it is the Boston Celtics just. becoming a better matchup throughout the seven-game series. I think it would take them a couple games to figure it out, but Boston can always pose the question, I feel. But coming out of the West especially is important for them

because they are the only team that can match up with the OKC Thunder. And it is because they have an exceptional athlete in Victor Wimbayana, and they have a great back court that defensively can, probably one of the only backc that can match up with OKC. It's just OKC is so deep a team. Man, it's so much pressure, so much all the time.

I can't put any expectation on the spurs, but I can say that I'm very excited for them. I'm not going on the hill with Perkins saying that they're going to win their first time around because I do, you know, I go with the game and the history of the game and it says that he's too young,

he needs his heart, broke. So I think he's going to need a, yeah, he's going to need a heartbreak. And I think the thunder are going to be it was to do it. I can't wait to see what the offseason looks like if Wembe goes through a heartbreak. He might write an album. Yeah, right. He might write an entire music album. Or he gained that 20 pounds that Janus went and gained.

You remember when Janus gained the 20 pounds and came back and we was like, wait, how do we stop that? He was just Bambi. He was the deer and head, like, falling all around. You could push Janus in it. his hip and he fly out of bounds. So he kind of would miss a lot of his finishes. And then he got real strong. And them hips got tightened.

All of a sudden it was pop. And he was in the air on top of everybody here. It's like, does Wemby get that weight or does he stay nimble? Because I also like him being elusive. He's kind of slithery how he gets by people. Yeah, it's kind of. He had a behind the back there at seven, what? How tall is he?

Seven, four. Fast. Yeah, like, is he, I want to know, does he stay Kevin Duranish? Or does he start going? going more toward the Janus body type. It would be interesting to see on how he works on his body. But the sky's the limit for this dude, the way he competes on both sides of the floor.

It's exceptional. Even the way he talks about basketball, the way he embraces challenges. He is so good for the basketball world. Hey, that's what you guys used to do, like after a whistle was blown and somebody would try to take a shot at a hoop, guys started blocking those shots, right? That's the KG rule.

KG start blocking them. Can't get it. No free bucket here. Then AI, I think, I think he threw one like way. To the moon, yeah. Yeah. People are having to shoot like that against Wembe right. Like that little floater right there reminded me of when AI was trying to steal the extra shot or whatever. It's insane. That's a whole new style.

That's another thing. Yeah. That's another thing we've talked about. He takes away the floater. Sometimes people have tried to do that. And he still blocks it. Like right here. That's an unorthodox.

the docks floater. Like nobody should have to float that high. You shouldn't have to extend your arm that early. That is wow. Yeah, floater. It's like, you know those, you know that dog, you know when the dogs do the dock jumping? Yeah. And they like chase

a ball that's going out there? Yeah. Like, I wonder how high you could put one for Wembe. Like if it was, yeah. Like if it was volleyball. Volleyball, they'll like set it high. Oh, God. Tell somebody to go get it. 14. How high could Wembe get if he had to go get one? Unbelievable. If he had to, right? If he had to go get one.

If he had to go do it. Because like in practice, we won't get it ever. I don't think. Like if it was a game. No reason. How high can he. However high that was right there. I think he could have kept going.

Unbelievable. That's unbelievable. But that's the other thing about it is he's got some strong hands. He gets a fingertip on a lot of these shots. Sometimes people are throwing passes and just his finger alone changes the direction. A lot of times it will change the spin of the ball. It'll ricochet a little bit, but when he seems to get a deflection, it's always a total redirection of the ball.

I can only imagine that his hands are stronger than they appear. You could probably ask Avia. He slapped them dead on the back, doing that behind the back move right there. But the cool thing that the Portland Trailblazers are going to have to realize and Drew Holiday is going to benefit from this the most. I'm excited to see game too. They have to reestablish in their mind that there is a loss art of the mid-range jumper.

The mid-range jumper cannot go away when you play this team. And I say that to say, you have to be able to go off of a ball screen. You have to be able to put their defender on the hip. Then you're going to have to be able to play within that flirting range of can he block it or can he not block it? When you shoot that mid-range jumper, sometimes Wimby bite. If he bites and goes for the contest, you now have somebody that has an offensive rebounding lane. If you don't do that,

and you go for the bait and think that you could just leave it on the rim with a floater, you deal with the results that we just saw. Okay, we got a mid-range to shit out of the alien down there in San Antonio. Good luck to all parties trying to do that. Eamon, thank you for making time for us, man. You're the best. Yes, sir. Thank y'all, man.

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I kind of thing. I could have been on one of the ass teams. Probably Pacers. I wish you could throw you out there and see. Maybe you find out the same way you just found out about the business. Uncall for. I don't know if I'm getting crossroads, jelly rolled, and then RKOed. Maybe I'm the one doing that.

They had the joint rules. Bad boys they had to get through, Lambirdin, the boys, Rodman. Okay, so that's the choice. Bad boys. You guys are talking about, like, like four teams. The playoffs. I'm not saying that.

I'm saying first game of the season. Worst team. I'm on the fucking Washington Bullets. Yeah, Flint Tropics. Yeah. I'm on the point. How many points you got to score? I'm defensive specialists.

I'm passing that thing. Three and D. Yeah, I might hit it. Three and D. Definitely. I'm bopping wood out there. I'm talking about the Flint Tropics. Okay, that's what I'm talking about.

NBA kind of has always only been four to eight teams if you think about it. I'll tell you, people do not like the way this season has gone with the obvious good, obvious bad. I don't know how they fix it. I'm excited to hear. There was something that Adam Silver this weekend, there was a rumor or something. I forget what it was. Fuck. Fuck. Tear. Maybe Ryan Smith said something about it. Like a tear. Like if you qualify to be a part of it, as opposed to having to outright, you can like qualify for that particularly. Like you're

rebuilding or I forget how we worded it. It's like I like that they're trying to figure it out. but every game being a six point spread obviously basketball it's only two shots whatever the case it's still like all year they had a 25 and a half points yeah all time it's like that's not good I mean it's the playoffs the Celtics are favored by 14 points yeah so it's like how do

teams get better and now they're doing expansion I don't know it's all fascinating it's all interesting I guess content is content in events or events if you can sell ticket to an event people will go to event okay like here in Indiana Indianapolis people go to Pacer games if they have friends in town what is there going on on Tuesday

oh, we can go to a Pacer game. Let's go to a Pacer. So it's a live event. I get that. But from a watching and like buying in perspective, sometimes it's hard to know who's trying. Now, playoff basketball though. Yes.

Everybody wants peace. Oh, yeah. Even though Orlando Magic are trying to take a little bite of that. They're going right into Detroit and smack them right in the mouth. Got all the people in Detroit already giving up hope on their number one seed Detroit Piston. They should. What? They should give up hope.

I don't give up hope yet. But to counter your point, the Pistons were bad for like 10 years. A couple good draft picks. Boom, they flipped the switch. Same with the Spurs. They were horrible for years. A couple good draft picks. They flipped the switch.

So I assume that's what Adam Silver is going to pitch to everyone. And that's Ryan Smith's problem. Ryan Smith last week was like, hey, like we've been bad for a while and we haven't moved up in the lottery. That's a problem. And so it's hard to get better when you don't do that. He said we're in a good spot that. We have gotten to the point now where we will.

be going. He said, but there's other teams that are, hey, don't look now. There's other teams that are about to be trying to do what we basically just kind of got out of the tail end up and all these other teams. It's been a known system, I guess. Just pulling into the pits right now. That's what he's, you know, talking about pit stops and takes four years to get back out onto, you know, pit lane. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, to help in the current situation to maybe give a prognostication on what is currently happening as we await my scans, which will be a retirement. turn tomorrow morning. Former NFL doctor, obviously,

founder of the central injury. PFI, is it? Football injury? Yeah. Sports injury central. Oh, there it is. Sick.

Which I did not get to see the video of mine if they did one, but we are asking for it now, ladies the gentleman, Dr. David Chowd. Yeah. What's going on, Doc? We'll give you a live recap of this. My question for you is

Harder hit. Jelly roll on you Or are you taking a hit in the NFL? Okay, good question. I think in the NFL, I blacked out mentally, didn't really remember the thing. For the jelly roll, why my whole body stopped working? I don't know if you saw it was, it just couldn't really operate it for whatever reason.

So I think there's maybe some nerve. You see my head bob back and forth there. So maybe it's a nerve. Obviously, I don't, I can't have anything broken here, right, Doc? But it wasn't just this. Yeah, remember, I got the crossroads, which is a lot of ripping on the neck. So I got, boom, okay, that, we don't know. Whiplash.

We don't know if that potentially did anything either there, Dr. David Child, I was right back up there. I'm a fucking cat. But watch this, Doc. And Twisty Woohoo. Okay, it could be whiplash as well because I'm coming to a complete stop, but also he's raking on my neck right there. And then to kind of cap it all off, after I do a 75-yard sprint with the neck brace on, because who knows, it's a lot of pain,

I get this one, devastating, bang, right there. I mean, Doc, in my mind, with how it's feeling, especially after, go, go, go, go, go. Oh, sorry. This your birthday. We go to party. You go, God. You go to your birthday.

And you know, we're going to your birthday. And many men did wish death upon me. Yeah. And blood in my body. And I think so I don't know if I've been treating it perfectly, but I have had this on. We're getting the scans back tomorrow. What do you expect that I'm going to hear whenever I see these scans

between a C2 and a C5 dollar? Well, look, I hope it's going to be good news. Look, you certainly strained your neck. You certainly took a lot of force on it. I'm actually surprised you didn't break a rib with that jelly roll thing and so forth. But you're playing hurt. You're playing hurt today for the fans. It's all good.

Okay. So what is projected recovery here with potential? I don't even thought about that. Now that you mention it, I do feel a little tenderness. A little weasie. Couldn't tie your shoe because of that. Yeah, I couldn't get down there. I didn't even think about my...

Maybe we should get that scanned as well, maybe a hairline fracture. It's kind of coming in now as the adrenaline's kind of wearing off. Next strain, how long am I going to... Of course, if scans come back clean, which you are normally right there in everything you project, how long next strain going to be bothering me? How long you think I've got to have this thing on?

I think you're going to be stiff for a while, but I don't imagine that you're going to keep that neck collar on for very long. You're just as soon as you get the MRI good, you're just going to be like one of the football players that just say, I'm going to roll with it, even though in your play hurt without it because you'll be tired of it. And you're already trying to move around a lot as it is. My money's on you recovering faster than most here.

But I will say this. Say what you do well about WWE. And I covered ringside WWE before. the action is real and the injuries are real. I mean, see what you will about it. Yeah, thank you, Doc. I agree. All right, thank you for that.

Let's now turn our attention to the draft. Obviously, you've been a part of many of those, and the medicals matter so damn much. There's somebody that has seemingly been hurt, ligament, bone, and muscle in his collegiate career, but so explosive. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Pat's talking about Jordan Tyson at Colorado.

He tore his ACL. I believe PCL as well, maybe MCL. And then he had the collarbone injury two years ago right before the college football playoff and then the hamstring issues this year. What did you see from Jordan Tyson's workout? And how do you think the NFL doctors will see him going into this draft? We're not really that worried about Jordan Tyson. And we said it ahead of this special pro day, his personal pro day.

Hamstring injuries always heal. Have we ever heard of one that didn't heal? He doesn't have a history of recurring hamster. string. Look at that athleticism. The collarbone, he plays football. It's a collision sport. It's healed. The knee is the issue. But remember, the knee was multi-ligament and it was 2022. So you've got a lot of tape on him and how athletic he is and how he's recovered. So I actually don't see a lot of issues on him in terms of medical for this draft. And I think that's what you're hearing about him going up the draft board at this point in time. Yeah, I think that's a huge deal. I think

what you just said is a massive ordeal because for me, I'd be scared to death to have somebody that has so many injuries to draft to a 17-game season with a bunch of adults faster and maybe even more physical than it's ever been at the highest peak if it not necessarily every single play. It's like, how will this guy survive?

You saying the injury is not seemingly correlated to each other and his most recent one is a hamstring, he'll be back from that. You're saying that any draft class, this would be not a problem, or this draft class because it's not nearly as, I guess, blue chippy is what they say? Yeah. I guess in his style that he would be considerable.

Are you saying any draft would view him that way or this draft in particular? Well, you know, medical grades are different just like personnel grades are different. What I'm saying here is medical isn't going to determine where he's drafted. I think he's fine medically. His talent will determine where he's drafted. And his talent might have him at the top of the wide receiver draft. and I think it will come to fruition. They're not worried about Jordan Tyson,

besides despite all this injury-prone stuff, which I don't like that injury-prone term. The kid plays hard, his injuries are not related, and look at how he's performed in the years since his knee injury, not real worried about him. Wow, that's a huge statement coming from you, I think.

I think Jordan Tyson's people are certainly going to be pumped to hear that as well. See? Yeah. That's what we've been saying this entire time. He has some Odell shit going on. Yeah. You know, in the workout. And then you watch some of the film, it's like,

this guy's freak-freaky out here. If you're able to get them, why not? But there's also potentially people trying to start up a little shit right now saying, you never draft that. Yeah, I don't draft him. Definitely not before the 14th pitch. No, you never want to do that. We are in draft season.

Not saying doctors do that, but certainly teams do it as they roll. Let's go to the NBA, another massive story. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Doc, anything on Luca Donchish. Now there's a chance that he's going to play game three, maybe we see that there's an extra day off in between games for this series. What's your take on this? Do you think we're going to get a somewhat like 60% Luca, 70% Luca?

What's your take on this? Look, you know, when you travel to Europe and you try and get all the special treatment, it's a great two hamstring strain. We've been saying at Sports Indry Central all along, he's out for at least the first series. The Lakers will have to survive that for him to return. here's the issue. I actually see Austin Reeves coming back before Luca Donchitz. Austin Reeves can try and play through his rib issue and try and tough it out.

Luca, if he comes back a game too early, he could be lost for the rest of the playoffs. So I don't see the Lakers doing that when it comes to a hamstring the way that it is for him. So I think they're going to have to get by Houston without him and then see what happens. Okay, Doc, we appreciate you so much. Thank you for taking the time. I don't know where you are right now, but are you always in Scrubs? No, you know, this was off kilter. I'm, you know, yes, sometimes I'm lazy. I'm between surgeries. And so I'm in scrubs between surgeries. When it's a planned visit, I put on that sports injury central red shirt. This was impromptu. So apologies. No, apologies to us to not getting your report immediately after I had this neck injury. I should have asked. I should have immediately went to sports injury central and said, hey, what should I be expecting? Because I was starting to freak out a little bit. And then they're like, don't worry about it. You go ahead and put. this collar on you'll be okay do whatever do whatever i can go to a 50 cent concert yeah yeah yeah i can do this is he do it with caller on you'll be safe that's good news

50 under on your recovery you're a football player oh yeah well said amen doc oh well said dr david jac hey doctor god i needed that didn't i man he knows 173 text messages after WrestleMania. Not one from him. Really? He's probably checking tape. Make sure you'll be okay. Yeah, he didn't want to say, hey, hope you're okay.

He does want to find out. Yeah. Make a bad read on it. Yeah. That was interesting. I've been doing a lot of no phone stuff lately. What else? Augustors.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. WrestleMania, I had nothing. I was Amish. I was Amish. I was Amish. Came out of that thing afterwards. Ding-d-d-ding-ding-ding-ding-d-d-d-d-

ding ding ding ding ding like oh oh yeah that's right yeah i did i was like oh something might have because we got a lot of stuff going on right now there's a lot of stuff going on in our particular business so i thought maybe something you know really happened then i realized oh everybody yeah you okay dude i just got stretched it out you okay dude everything okay i just saw jelly roll what fuck jelly rule a lot of that oh we don't like jelly roll what the hell happened when you know we don't no no no i think me and Jelly Roller are going to be okay. Maybe you too, but the rest of us. You're done on him? Yeah.

I just didn't like that. He could have put that to bed. Who cares? I'm sorry. Did we see what he did you? I mean, you're apparently calling for it. He wanted it. But he was also telling the crowd, like, hey, I'm representing for you guys. I think Jellar Will was just having a little rock star moment there.

You know, I think he was doing full rock star, Brett. Okay. That's what I think he was doing. And he said it should have sang the national anthem. Well, Michael Cole is sitting there. It's happening right in front of you guys. I do a appreciate D-But, there is an angle where D-butt is actually pointing going, no. Everybody else has their phone out, watching me die. So D-Bad, I appreciate you at least pointing.

He was living in the moment. Yeah, a lot of phones out there. Everybody seemed to be so happy when this thing broke with me on top of it. Then the stretcher comes out, shot with Cota and poor Miss Lady. I forget her a night. I was talking to them. They said, you okay, Pat? I don't think so.

Yeah, I don't think that guy was licensed either. That got you on that stretch. I don't think so. If you're in Las Vegas and you go through something, I hope you don't. There's a chance of CODA and Miss Lady, do come get you. Oh, I hope not. I hope they don't have to get anybody ever.

I hope nothing ever happens. She worked. Nothing ever happens. But yeah, I mean, shout to Eddie O'Rango helping out too. Mr. Jordan helping out. Thank you guys. Is it your first time being on a stretcher?

Yeah. Like taking out like that? Yeah, first time ever. A lot of things happened in that wrestling. There it is. Look at the crowd. So big. Yeah.

Yeah, so bad. Yeah. What a time to be alive. The arm up. Toward all, man. I'll tell you why, you can stretch it out and come back. Nobody's talking about being a fighting refuel. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?

You only get one night. When my shoe was unthought, I'd just realize. Yeah. Dangerous. Happy I'm okay. Boom. So close. Well, you couldn't look down because your neck was potentially fractured.

I should count. Exactly. I can't just. And that's why the motion was a little slower. Tick slower. Yeah, because in my head, it was a lot faster. Now that I'm watching, it's kind of slower than it. Maybe that was the relay through the neck.

And that against game. Was this just the animal and Randy coming out? He just saw a human net peek, just saw rednecks to him. I think he thought maybe I should have kind of quicker. I haven't really caught up with Randy. Because it was just been the viper coming out. Saw the ref shirt too. He already had, you know, Robinson once.

I'm just a little bit worried that Randy and his friendship is going to be affected by this. Yeah. I think it's going to have to. I got rid of my heart care of everybody's shirt already. Mm-hmm. Well, he's going to say it. There's nothing you can't get by. Yeah, who knows what voice told him to do that to you.

Exactly. Maybe Jelly Rolls. Could have been jelly. He was thinking about the song, Get By. And boom. And he said, that's how I get by. Gotcha. Jell Rolls got a lot of hits.

A lot of hits. Sound of a sinner, perhaps. Doesn't excuse what he did. He might have been thinking about. I'll tell you what, when they do the... Be-da-pane. Getting a chance to experience that in the arena one more time, a couple more times. His interest was pretty good.

Good fit. Me and Randy were standing down in the ring getting ready for a fight. Yeah. You know, getting ready to save the business. I'm telling Randy, you look good, champ. Mm-hmm. You look good, champ. people are taking pot shots at me

a lot of pot shots at me what one of 50s guys 50s guys yeah fatso we'd go on to see him later yeah have a good time with him he's a pretty good guy that guy you bet big bingo did you have that same energy later? Oh yeah

oh yeah he let me know and I looked at him I did remember him he was me and him eye contact one on one right here because you do see each individual oh yeah Omar right to your fucking close to you well side was kiddle on kiddle was talking shit to a lot of the crowd i think a lot of the time but i told kiddle go fuck himself though if we are wondering i was in the ring and i looked at kill fuck you kiddle yeah had to

and kiddle goes tyrese get one fucking boozebag drunk i see and red deserved one because he was definitely on cody's side yeah i was like we knew he was a cry baby tarice's dad though okay john big john yeah let's talk about tyrese halliburton's dad you know i would like to say our guy court side again our guy definitely my guy, okay? He's a legend. I come out, everybody's middle finger, everybody's saying everything to me. I get in the ring, Big John Halliborne's front row. Thumbs up like this at me, smiling, waving. Everybody's flipping me off. Everybody in the building is flipping me off. And I'm flipping off, I'm flipping off, I'm talking about, fuck you, fuck you too. Hey, you fat, so,

yeah, right. And big John Halliburn, big thumbs up and waving. That's support. And I, like, looked at him. And I like, I was going to say, I was going to do it. But I just went to Cole. I said, oh, Zempic looking ass. It's a cool. It was a, that's an interesting thing, man. Very rarely can you just walk into an arena or a stadium?

And everybody in there hates that you're there. That was a beautiful thing. That was a lot easier to see the people there were supportive of me, you know, because they really stuck out. And I appreciate them going through it out there. I appreciate you guys. going through it out there. Yeah, because, yeah.

We were getting right away. So, I didn't know all those fucking fans were on the stage there. I mean, they were pretty close. Yeah. I mean, they were a pretty close to the situation. We didn't do it.

I didn't do a lot. Yeah, I just got a guy right there too. That was great. Yeah, I got a guy right there too. He was on, I was holding a sign and said, trash Mac if he, as soon as I walked out, I saw it. I'm like, what's this guy?

Oh, I'm fucking same. I don't think I should have got a full entrance. but if we're out here let's fucking do it yeah there every one of you needs to get it absolutely yep you can take it so eat some with the red too red letters yeah it was a good time man it was a good time out there and you know I guess I was mistaken a little bit by some the things I sir that's gonna happen yeah I'll just try to gas up my god yeah save the business who's a real loser in this whole thing

look at me look at me right now yeah I got finally meet fucking Cameron God fucking love Hey, Ma. What's that? Fucking met him finally. It is what it is. I was so pumped to meet him. Take a picture.

I got a fucking neck brace on. Yeah. He'd probably respect it. Wanted them Saturday at WrestleMania. Mm-hmm. I can't say it. And I didn't say it, by the way. And I do know rap songs well enough to not say it.

Okay? Yes. As a white who does know every rap song and basically every word to it, I have to know it better. Okay. I have to know every song very well. A couple of beats a head.

I have to be. I have to be. And there's no, oh, we're too intoxicated. We're flowing. Yeah, no. Okay. I saw a lot of people tweeting. Pat definitely, some people were saying, did he say? And then everybody was like, no, that's Halliburton. And you're like, no, he knows the words back there. It's like, I come from an NFL locker room. Let's all please have some respect for my teammates and understand that that would never happen. And it can't. But I'll tell you, it is a fine line when you're singing. songs from 2004.

Okay, and you know the words, kind of. And then all a sudden, if you're in a video in the back, and you're rapping along, and you know, it's a club, so you can't hear anything. You can't even get caught doing that. Hey, his fucking mouth just said it. I know it. I know it. I can't do any of that. So

please, please know that that would never happen. Now, Halliburton, he was pulling on a show. Yeah. Howlberg was pulling on show, but how that whole album. I mean, all 50 has to do is just play, play the out, just press play on Get Richard die trying, we're going to do the whole fucking thing. That's all he has to do.

But there's three different albums that he has heat from, too. It was a great fucking show. Played the power intro song. Nice. Yeah. Your camera got up there. The company's favorite show. I love that show. Yeah, that might have been my favorite live show too. It was fucking incredible.

I mean, it was a great show. He was, I told him that actually. Hey, man, graduate high school 105. Yep, I was the one that you. Yeah, all this shit was us basically. Go. Go. Every day. Thank you so much for your.

contributions to my life. No problem, man. Tap up. My guy, I need to get the fuck out of here. 10 out of 10. Unbelievable. Steak. Yeah. 10 out of 10. Drinks. Hey, what do you need? What do you need? Come on here. We had a group of 10. Yeah, we were deep. We're deep. Dudes. All. And just like right in. Yeah. Come on it. All right. Sweet. We walk into a room. It was a big room. Yeah. Oh. Oh, I don't know if I should be here right now. Tony fucking yay. Oh, man. Unreal. The real report. Yeah. Yeah. That's him and Uncle murder. Love that. I need you on the show. actually.

You got it. Fucking Tony Deco. No problem, man. Nice to meet you. I'm in this. Sunglasses on. Fucking ref shirt. Rep shirt. Incredible. The refs shirt. It's a lot of see, obviously, people that know the business and then people that don't follow the business

at all. You're all right, man? Tough night. Tough night. Are you going to be okay? I don't know. I don't know if anybody's ever had to have. Yeah. Checking with chow. Fucking road, crossroads me. Bang. Jell the roll.

Jelly Roll, you know Jelly Roll? Grammy Award won't. He pulled me through the table. He was exploded splinters all over my boy. And then Rayne Jordan, you know, Arcado, fucking got me. That was all tonight. They said, wow, is everything going to be okay?

Like, I don't know. D.D. scans. See? I'm on adrenaline right now. Yeah, I didn't see it until this morning. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, this is happening.

Yeah, this is kidding. What are you guys laughing about? Like how they're holding you on there. What are you got? What's so funny? Just sneaking it in there. Let's make sure they know. Well, because I knew there was going to be a lot of photos. Bingies down there.

Is that frog driving? I was not. It was all, hey. Look at your face, too. Yeah. All of it. Yeah, I got carted out twice. I got stretched it out.

I got carted out. Like how you're hunched over like that. Like how you're hunched over. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's a great visual. It's a bad spot. I couldn't control my body. I control my body.

No, of course not. They're like, hey, there's still fans here. I go, what is that fucking me? Locked up. The body, I can't use it. Those days are past now. Hell of a run. Unbelievable.

Great run. AJ, you're a part of my wrestling run. Thank you for your service, AJ. Back in the day, that was fun. Just called. Dibat, you're a part. Thank you. much people frankly thank you buddy to my wwee 2k brethren yeah yeah yeah what a run that was

what a run true honor they were really happy whenever we all got into that ecstatic yeah yeah that's one of the nicest days on the internet for us it really was yeah that was my introduction to the iwc that's when they said hey yeah not in our fucking time oh yeah yeah fuck of these goofballs they don't get it. They never will. They might have been right all along though. It feels like they probably are. You guys look great in the game. You too, AJ. Thank you. We'll always have it. Jelly and a Joey and Cody are going to be a tag team now, travel around. I don't know. I didn't get a chance to catch up with a year of them. Fuck. Your body shut down. You're right. Yeah. It's Cody's eye all right?

I don't think so. From my understanding from what I saw on the internet, not in real life. I haven't seen that thing in real life. I believe that that thing was a big time. Huge. That was a big time. And then there's also, I believe, some stitches here. You got kicks in the head. Some other shit happening in the back. He got fucked up pretty good. The champ really, really, you lay low out there.

Exactly. Which is why we would like to reiterate, that fucker might be the one. That guy might be the one. That guy might be the one. Yeah. I'll tell you. He was fun to watch out there, wasn't he? Oh, yeah. I didn't really appreciate the fact that, you know, when we attack him before the match starts he's supposed to lose that

you're supposed to lose it you're not supposed to fucking drop Randy into a post no because Randy's supposed to bum bum bum bum

bum boom I got stopped doing that AJ Ward we talked about it last week man don't they've been they watched film too but you know they saw that

like they were waiting that's good you're setting up you're setting up a comeback maybe someday No. He's done with the business. Part of the agreement, hop.

We'll see. Deals a deal, dude. He's a man of his word. I did sign something I didn't read, so. I did see that. I got caught up in a moment. Randy said he was going to go talk to the crowd. I couldn't wait to hear him speak.

And that guy was smirking. Forne Adam Pierce? Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to say thanks to him for trying to keep up. Guy, I didn't need to know his name. I think his name's Nick. All the trucks are sick, though.

The ram trucks? Yeah. Yeah, those were sweet. The most recent one was the best. Yeah. The week before that, probably not their best. But it was going to rent-truck. I fucking did it.

It's very unlike you to sign something that you didn't read, though. I was only a couple words on it. It felt like it was pretty basic stuff. But I think it did mention that I could get hit by anybody at any time. That's why he was smirking. Clear for physicality. I said, all right, he got it. Cody actually said when he got in the ring, he reminded me.

He said, I can hit you right now. What? And I had to think to myself, can he? No way. Randy. Oh, yeah, he fucking can. do it and then guess who he'd who

and dig guess what didn't work that was not how that was supposed to go we're supposed to beat him the fuck down yeah we're supposed to beat him the fuck down he was supposed to go through maybe the commentator table exactly he was maybe supposed to have maybe me yeah that would

who knows if I'm showcasing out there yeah I'm showcasing the immortals like yes right here coming across on him then rain throws his fucking bag of bones back in the ring the belt doofus one two three right of there

they're talking about match times that one there's a lot of talking about that that one should have been much quicker yeah but instead it was a complete opposite and I felt like I was taught a bit of a lesson pretty quickly yeah Tedd Road's gonna fucking kill you Jellul's gonna kill you and Rayne's gonna kill you

almost like to rest and go and say hey kid scram which is why I said hey if this doesn't go how it's supposed to go I'm out of here yeah we're back on Wednesday We're at? Live from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah.

Tomorrow we were going to be live, and then something was offered to us in Pittsburgh, so we are going to have to take them up on that offer, so we are going to do that. I get a lot of people telling me that I'm getting lazy because we don't do a show as much. Whenever there's some sporting event on in the afternoon that we're all going to watch anyways,

what we have learned over the history of doing the show is it is not worth you watching us watch another show. It is not good for anybody. It is not good. It is literally not good for anybody. It's fucking the worst. Okay, it's the shits. And we can't help ourselves.

If the Masters is on the afternoon, we're going to watch the Masters. If March Madness is happening, we're going to watch it. That's kind of how it goes. So we've got a lot of people talking shit about us, but not, you know, this week, we're off tomorrow.

We're getting offered something that they've never been offered for, and we're getting our scans back tomorrow. Yeah, very important. You might have to have fusion surgery tomorrow. Potentially. Yeah. But also, the thing we were offered tomorrow,

I've never heard of any human being getting offered it. And we're going to take advantage of that. Hell, yeah. We're also doing a five-plus hour show on Thursday night. So, you know, kind of. No, but genuinely, the fact that any of you watch anything were very surprised and appreciative of. Thursday night's going to be gigantic.

Yes. Wednesday, we're live from Pittsburgh from the draft spot. Friday, too. Friday we're live from there as well. With Roger Goodell. The commissioner of the NFL? Annual, annual post first round. How'd you do, Raj?

Hey, what are we doing about the refs, Raj? A lot of that. There's going to be a lot of that. I think that's probably going to be the focal point of this particular conversation this year. Hey, BM, heads up. We're coming in with that. Don't you think, AJ, that was nice of us to do?

Absolutely. Yeah, give him a heads up. He knows. He would expect it to. Heads up. Normally, we want to know where the next draft is going to be as well. You already know that. Well, the one after D.C. There you go.

Heads up. We also want to know 18 games, two buys. Mm-hmm. Feels right. Australia automatic buy. How's this work? What's your thoughts? There's a lot to talk about with it.

That he will have answers. He is actually grass. Streaming deals? Streaming deals. Back to the table. Five more money. Five more games with YouTube. NFL network getting purchased by ESPN,

but also the NFL now having a percentage of ESPN as a whole. Maybe making players. Are we negotiating with him? Maybe making players declare before the draft whether they want to come back and play or not. Something to think about. Quarterbacks? Sure.

Whatever. That's good. Oh, like the NBA. Just quick follow-up. Do we know if that has happened yet? Do we still have time before the draft starts? How many days? Two and a half-ish?

So could still happen. Actually, 77 hours. Yep. Two minutes 53. Pretty good little count down right there. Yeah. It's right here, I guess. Good job here with boys.

Good job. Good job. Dirty. Good job, Nick. Good job, boys. Coming together. Countdown in the draft spectacular. It's currently sitting at 77 hours.

minutes, 35 seconds. So close. It's the next generation NFL Superstall. Oh, yeah. Live in Pittsburgh. Think about the energy that's going to be there. Nice weather. Holy shit, AJ.

Great weather. Great weather, isn't it? I mean, yeah. It's Pittsburgh. Let's not get to. I'm going to say, I mean, not freezing. It's not going to be freezing. I don't know if the Nardo is doing the reading of the Doppler that he created,

but it does sound like by all accounts. It's going to be a good couple days. The NFL seemingly has that effect. Yep. Came to Indianapolis for the Super Bowl. We had like 75-degree weather in February. It's never happened before for four days. Then as soon as they left, we had an ice storm.

Pittsburgh, here we go. Green Bay was a little bit. Friday was bad. Thursday the night of the draft, we got lucky, but Detroit was the whole boy. It was cold and windy. I forgot how chilly it was. Have we decided on a dress code yet?

We haven't. What we're dressing like? No, no idea. We have not figured that out yet. I packed a... I got an idea. I got an idea. I need to run by you. I know, no, no.

I mean, I know what the last years have been. Okay, so we're just going, hey, let's dress nice. Yeah. Okay, it's the draft. That's why I need to run it by you. It's a draft spectacular. You're dressing like an asshole. Is that what it sounds like?

It's just, I have a couple ideas. Ty, it's a shame you never get to go to this. I know, and I was really, I love Pittsburgh. I love everything about Pittsburgh. I love you, man. And, you know, of course, it's going to be nice, too. But you guys will, you guys be, you know, you don't need me up there. It would be fine without me.

But you would make it better. Like if you were ever a part of one of these, I think you, Ty Schmidt, would really enjoy your dress. Well, listen, it's one of my favorite, you know. It's one of my favorite nights of the year sitting at home watching you guys or wherever I end up, you know, wherever I'm at, I'm tuning in to you guys and I'm just saying,

I am just chomping at the bit. Like, oh, man, I would have loved to respond to that or I would have loved to say something there. But it's just not the reality of the situation, unfortunately. It's crazy. You always got something going on. I know. Why do we have him on the graphic?

I don't know. I actually asked Bone that. I said, hey, it's kind of. Oh, he was too busy letting Cody in the building to really. I'll tell you what, Bone really had quite a performance this weekend in Vegas. He showcased that he's on, he was clearly on our side, but he was happy without ended, I think. You know what I mean? He had a great night.

Oh, yeah. De Bone? 50 cent. Mm-hmm. Did he know who 50 cent was? A lot of this is right here. 50, like right behind him, Mike. Did DeBone know any of the songs?

Yeah, he had a couple of these. Yeah, right here is 50. His pockets? Yeah, I was like, phone, get your hands on your pocket. 50's right behind. They got cameras around it, you know, the whole thing. It evolved. Was Taco on stage?

I didn't see. Yeah, singing? I didn't see talk on stage, but I will say DeBone had a talk week. DeBone, part of the mania, main event. Sure. Story, be whenever he lets Cody in the building like an asshole and then he's with 50 cent.

Talk does the track thing. Then he's on stage of FloRotter. You know, like it was, it was an interesting, it was an interesting way. 50 just acting abnormally normal for who he is at this stage of life. Just

immediately after he performs, just comes up, just stands, just stanza, just casually standing here, talking to people, have a couple drinks, I'm like, fucking. Beast. You're just chilling? Yeah, just literally. He's fucking well. super genius TV creator has the greatest album of all time

one of the best interneters yeah yeah I was gonna say I was great business man I know he's got booze companies incredible business man yeah just chilling having a good time like fucking hey

you got me senior high school bro every day in the club I'm going in the club there now I'm in a club damn you're 40 I feel like a fucking nine hey we're having a good time

we're having a good time here and it was just like back in all the same songs. Yep. From back, just picked me up, put me back into club, actually.

That is what it was. But there was numerous discussions, numerous times walking into these rooms, but I shouldn't fucking be here. And it's not this stage of life. I should not be walking in here. They get in there,

the energy's great. It's like, okay, I remember I used to do this a little bit. Here this used to be a good time. Tyrese halliburton's looking ass going, I'm 26 years old. Yeah, I wanted to be a Bieber cell.

Hey, that is nice. It just feels like so different. 50 said, yeah, we was having a ball at live in Vegas. My man Halliburton pulled up on me. Okay, sick. All right, so I think he does remember that we exist. It was a good time in there. It was a good time.

The whole place was having a good time. He has so many hits. Yeah. So, like, every generation knows in Vegas is a lot of different. There's different conventions. Cinema con was happening there. WrestleMania is happening there. There's some business shit going on.

There's some gambling shit going on. So all these people go to all these hotels and then into the clubs. It's like you've got to be able to hit. Like, I don't want to say it's like a Super Bowl. type thing. But it is like if you can hit every generation, Vegas, you're going to hit, I think. Every song, every person, 85 year old drunk who's there all the way down to the 21-year-old kid that celebrating their fucking first time in Vegas, whole place, just every single song. It was, it was electrifying.

Got on the Augs Court, whole plane ride back? Yeah, 50? Straight fifth. Did today, too, before the show. Perfect. Fucking need get Richard, die trying it. It was a great time. It was a great time.

Wish Randy would have won. Yeah. But it seems like everything we thought we needed in that business isn't. Seems like it's okay. Exactly. Oh, my goodness. That guy. Four time.

Talk about being in shape. Zero percent body fat. You'll be seeing my ass all summer. Thank God for that. Business is good, isn't it? Oh, hell yeah. It was a good, Ron. Be your friend, tell her friends up nice.

It might change our life. We're in this thing together. Tomorrow we're experiencing a once-in-a-lifetime thing. We'll be back on Wednesday. Live from the draft setup. I wonder if they know that we're going to be there Wednesday. Who's they? Who's they don't?

We're all in this thing together. Let's never ever forget that. Always going to be stirring some shit even whenever we don't mean to. Team on me. Thank you all so much for allowing us to do this for a living. Actually, we're very, very thankful and lucky. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team.

Goodbye.