The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 154 - MLB ConTROVersy Chat w/ Gold Glove Tucker Barnhart. Also, Legends Jeff Garcia & Thomas Morestead Stop By

Episode Date: January 16, 2020

On today's show, Pat reacts to the shocking news of Luke Kuechly's retirement from the Carolina Panthers after 8 seasons as arguably the best linebacker in the game. Pat reflects on some of the thoughts he had when announcing his retirement and looks back on what will undoubtedly be a Hall of Fame career for Kuechly. Pat and the boys also discuss what comes next for Matt Rhule and the Carolina Panthers as they lose Kuechly and hire LSU passing game coordinator Joe Brady, and what that means for their Quarterback situation and if they are now in a position to trade up to try and draft Joe Burrow. Next, Gold Glove winner and current Catcher of the Cincinnati Reds, Tucker Barnhart stops by to discuss the controversy surrounding the cheating scandal that has rocked the Houston Astros, Boston Red Sox, and the rest of the MLB. Tucker explains why he doesn't necessarily like what is happening with the punishments, gives his take on the whole situation, and explains his opinions on the entire situation, as a guy who is intimately involved with giving signs every game (20:33-31:54). Next, 4x Pro Bowler, Grey Cup Champion, and legend of an NFL Quarterback, Jeff Garcia joins Pat and the boys to discuss the NFL Conference Championships. Jeff gives his thoughts on Green Bay vs. San Francisco, and why he thinks the game will be closer than most people think, and what he sees as the keys to the game are for both the Packers and the 49ers. Jeff also dives into the AFC Championship and explains why it is so hard to stop a guy like Patrick Mahomes, but why a team like the Titans might have the perfect formula for doing so (33:33-44:10). Lastly, Super Bowl Champion, Pro Bowler, All Pro, and current Punter for the New Orleans Saints, Thomas Morestead joins the show live from LA. Thomas and Pat discuss where things are currently at with the NFLPA discussions and if he thinks things are moving in the right direction. He gives his thoughts on the state of the Saints after another crushing defeat in the playoffs and whether or not he thinks Drew Brees will return to New Orleans for another season, and what makes him so special. Thomas also reacts to Luke Kuechly's retirement and discusses whether or not he thinks this will become more of a norm moving forward with elite players retiring during what most would consider the prime of their careers. Pat and Thomas also reflect on the PFF Punter of the decade and Pat shares the story about how Thomas taught him how to punt after he got drafted (46:18-59:43). Today's show is a loaded one. Come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's January 16th, 2020, and we have a great show for you. I talk about Luke Keekly's early retirement. I was in a similar situation. I think you'll enjoy it. Talk a little baseball today. Big controversy. Or is there? We talked to Gold Glove winner Tucker Barnhart.

Great conversation and eye-opener. Talked to Jeff Garcia, quarterback legend in Canada and in the National Football League. He stopped from a mountain bike ride to talk to us. Super fit, dude. He buries me a little bit. Good conversation with him about the games coming up this weekend. Then a conversation with Thomas Morstead, legendary punter for the Saints. He's currently at the NFLPA and NFL negotiations, I believe, for the new CBA.

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played in the nfl i think he has a run of all pros as well he's a guy that i got to meet at the pro bowl that was so interesting to me because he's like clark kent that's the guy yeah yeah he's like clark kent you see him off the field he has glasses on he's very quiet what shakes your hand hi how's it going very nice to meet you i'm like luke nice to meet you as well. Went to Boston College. Obviously has an incredibly big brain. And then when he gets on the field, he flips a switch and becomes an absolute maniac. Calling out the other team's play before they can even call it. Going sideline to sideline.

Freak athlete. The ability to will his team to victories once again and after again. I mean, he was just a lightning rod on the football field. A second coming of Erlacher and all these other linebackers that you learn to love growing up in football. Luke Keekly was just a very, very special football player. Now, at the age of 28, he has decided to retire young. He's made 50 plus million dollars already. Well, congrats to Uncle Sam making $23 probably million dollars out of that. So he has over $25 million in the bank account that he has, I assume, saved and done proper things with because

he's a business marketing degree from Boston College, which is not an easy school. And while I was watching and listening to his retirement video that he put out there, which I'm assuming, by the way, after we've gotten to know Luke Kuechly a little bit, we did some stuff with him at the Super Bowl, met him at the Pro Bowl. I think he was in that room probably alone with that camera, by the way. He's not a guy who's comfortable or loves speaking in front of a camera. He's not a guy that loves a lot of attention. He just loves the football, and I think he loves his teammates.

So whenever he started speaking and he was talking about how he wanted to retire, I think the part that really got to me was about a minute 30 into this speech, he starts talking about how he still wants to play, but he doesn't feel as if he is fast enough, physical enough, or whatever to keep up with the guys that are already in the linebacker locker room next to him. And that was like heartbreaking to me, to see this guy who is this Greek god on a football field, this man who is this super alpha. He almost started breaking down. And it's like he had a moment where he realized that he just didn't have it

like he used to have it. Now, granted, he just made another Pro Bowl. This is a guy who I would assume Matt Rule was banking on being a leader and a stallion in the locker room for him going forward. But in Luke Kuechly's eyes, he didn't think he had it like he once had it. And this can be a tough conversation with yourself. A lot of people don't have it. That's why you see a lot of people hang on until the very end. Try to collect as much cash as you possibly can. When I retired, there's people in the media telling me that I didn't have any friends because my friends weren't gluing my jersey on me so I can continue to collect cash until my legs fall off basically is what people said. That mindset has been one around for a long time because the NFL is a dream

job for a lot of humans. Those who don't make it to the NFL and always dreamed of being NFL players assume that you should want to stay in the NFL forever but what people need to know is the to be in the NFL is a privilege not a right for me I no longer wanted to focus entirely on kicking a football I wanted to focus on other things and I think the shield deserves people that want to focus entirely on being a professional athlete I didn't want to focus day to day on what would make me a better ball kicker I wanted to utilize my brain and my time and my efforts to do other things now granted I was staring down a third surgery in four years. I didn't exactly love going to work anymore due to the general manager that was there for the years before I was there.

But ultimately, at the end, I didn't want to do and sacrifice my time in life to make sure that I would still be good at my job. When I was listening to Luke Keekly speak in that video, it sounded like to me it was a guy that obviously didn't love the thought that he didn't have it anymore, but also it sounded like a guy who was potentially excited to turn his efforts elsewhere. It sounded like a guy who didn't want to have to commit his entire life to being great again, because as you get older, and this is what's so impressive about Tom Brady. This is what's so impressive about Adam Vinatieri. This is what's so impressive about the people, Rodgers that get older and older and Drew Brees and can stay at that high level is the amount of commitment that you have to maintain to not only stay physically shaped, mentally sharp, but that competitive edge that has to keep you waking up every morning

wanting to get better is something that not everybody can maintain and keep having. I'm very thankful for Luke Keekly for what he did on a football field and what he did for the NFL was great things. I was very excited to watch him play every time he got on there. And I'm also very happy and thankful for him if he has found complete peace. In there, he said he still wanted to play. So there will always be that lure of will Luke Keekly come back? Will he miss the banging from training camp or the camaraderie with the guys, which I would assume is potentially going to happen. A lot of people

are going to talk about that, just like Gronk alluded to when Gronk tweeted. So when are you coming back? Because as soon as Gronk retired, he had an emotional press conference about how beat up his body was and how happy he was to go forward. And all anybody kept saying was, oh, Gronk's coming back. Gronk's coming back, Gronk's coming back. Well, maybe just like me, maybe just like Gronk, maybe Luke Keekly got to the point where he started thinking, you know what, I want to enjoy my life outside of football and focus on other things other than hitting people and dissecting offenses.

And if that's the case, I'm incredibly happy for Luke Keekly, and I hope he enjoys the hell out of his retirement. Yeah. When I was watching, I thought he was going to pull a Wolf of Wall Street, like halfway through, and be like, you know what? I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. A minute 30 in, it seemed like there was quite a turn.

Yeah. For the first minute, he was very calm, cool, collected. And then about, I think it was like a minute 30 in, he goes, I still want to play. And it was almost like that moment. And I even got emotional. I retired on Comedy Central to join Barstool, and it was Super Bowl week.

But I typed up something from my Twitter, which is where basically any person that really knew anything about me was through my Twitter. And while I was typing it up, I got emotional in the middle of it because the game of football is such an awesome one. Like Luke Keekly said, I still want to be be involved in football you've got a lot of people that even though they choose to retire early doesn't mean they don't love football it just means they want to spend their time potentially doing something else and i would assume that luke keekley will

still remain around football a guy that smart we hope his brain is still utilized in the football world he missed seven games i think with three diagnosed concussions or something like that. You have to think that that probably was a part of the conversation. But I'm happy for Luke, hopefully finding solace. And it did feel like about halfway through that video that he was potentially just going to be like, turn the camera off. But good for him. I'm happy for him.

And now he gives a chance to somebody else to step up and make a play. And just like the NFL has done since the beginning of time, it'll continue to grow and evolve. And Luke Keekly now is going to experience life post-football, which I have found to be a damn good time. I think that's what's so admirable too is like if you're just like an average NFL fan or watcher, like you would assume like this guy still got it. He's still one of the best linebackers.

So for him to like have the courage to be like, yeah, I'm not the player I used to be. I can't do that to my teammates. That's crazy. That's why it was so surprising to me. Well, I think that's the – so a lot of people saw me tweet a lot, right, whenever I was towards the end of my career, tweet, tweet, tweet. But every time I'd wake up, every decision I made, everything I did, I mean, I don't really drink much anymore.

I didn't drink them. Every decision I made, I was like, like is this gonna make me kick a ball better you know like is this gonna make me kick a ball better I almost felt like I was being and this sounds don't take this for how serious it could be but it felt as if I was being held hostage by a profession right and I was getting paid very very well very very grossly overpaid for what I was doing but every every single decision I made was like, OK, is this going to make me kick a ball better? Is this going to make me go out onto a field after our offense fails and kick a ball better? Every single decision I made, even in June, even in April, even every single thing you did every single day revolves around that.

For me, whenever I retired, it was nice for my brain to just be able to think like, OK, I don't have to just focus in on this one job that deserves 100% of your attention, by the way. Being in the NFL deserves 100% of your attention. And I think that's the thing that I slowly realized as I got older and more mature. It was like the NFL is the best league on planet Earth. It deserves people to be 100% committed to it. And I no longer wanted to be 100% committed to kicking a ball. So I got out i think luke fell is the same way like the nfl is a place for elite athletes and even if he's being

hard on himself which i think luke could probably still play for another 10 years luke keekley could hang on and play somewhere for another 10 not even hang on luke keekley could thrive somewhere for another 10 years but if he's gotten to the point where he's like listen this league deserves somebody that is at a better level than i am at right now this league deserves somebody that wants to focus on this more than i do right now i think that's admirable and i'm very happy for him will we see luke keekley back that's the question everybody's gonna ask you there's probably odds somewhere right now i'm gonna assume not because he's got a big brain he was able to dissect plays he went to boston college and i hope he's happy with that because in that video it didn't feel as if he was all 100 all in

on every time if and now if you look going forward there's a chance matt rule comes in and you're losing the three faces of the franchise for the last you're going to lose keekly probably greg olsen high probability of retiring as well and then cam newton could be out too so it could be just a clean sweet clean slate for the carolina panthers car Carolina Panthers could be brand new, but they got seven years to do it and 62 M's to do that with. Poor Matt Rule. Not literally, but... But you're right, though. Matt Rule now

signs Joe Brady as offense coordinator, who I thought would get a lot more looks. Because the trend, Cliff Kingsbury gets a gig, Matt LaFleur gets a gig, Sean McVay gets a gig. These young, brilliant offensive-minded guys from whether college or the nfl are getting these head coaching gigs joe brady who made joe burrow the most impressive quarterback in the history of college football that that that is not

just saying like hey this joe burrow guy is the most impressive i've ever seen no that's real highest completion percentage most touchdowns most effective offense in the sec impressive i've ever seen no that's real highest completion percentage most touchdowns most effective offense in the sec history i mean this joe brady guy single-handedly came in and earned joe burrow 40 million dollars i mean i mean it's just and you would think with the world and the way the nfl is that you would want this because they ran a little rpo as well the way the nfl is trending you would have thought have thought that Joe Brady would have gotten a lot more looks than he was. His name wasn't even mentioned for things.

And I think Matt Rule was sitting back looking at this whole thing. He was like, Cleveland Browns aren't even going to interview this guy. Giants aren't even going to talk to this guy. They're not even, Cowboys aren't even going to look at this guy. He's like, that sounds good to me, a 30-year-old guy who just flipped the SEC on its freaking head. I'll bring him into Carolina, which I think does mean by the way that they're probably going to get a new quarterback i think if you unless i might be able to do some real good things with

cam newton i mean i mean that is a decision that's going to have to be made and i don't think they're all out on cam newton but i do know that if they do release cam newton they get 19 million more dollars for a team that looks like they're going to have seven years and a patient owner to build however you want to build cam newton can play for another seven years is he the guy of the future i don't know we're going to find out i think just joe brady hire was a good one but now matt rule has to figure out who's going to be the leader of his defense how do you replace a consummate all pro how do you replace a perennial pro bowler who not only is fast and freakish physically, but mentally the guy can line everybody up and he can tell exactly what it is?

That's going to be tough for Matt Rule. He's got a lot of money and a lot of tasks in front of him. Christian McCaffrey is really the only constant that he has. When do you think Matt Rule, do you think he had any inkling of this when he first got the job? Or is this the kind of thing where he would have found out yesterday that Luke Geekly was retiring I have no idea I have no clue how that goes the fact that Luke Geekly did it the way he did it was very surprising to me too because Luke Geekly is a guy that does not love being on a camera we we got a chance to do some stuff with him at the last Super Bowl and by the way he's just as impressive off the field as he is on the field gentlemen I think he listed

off every single player in the NFC South or something like the entire every starter starters both ways yeah and the nfc south when we were with him i mean he's just this super brainiac that i did not expect to come through a social media video his retirement i respect that he did by the way because he got to control his own narrative he got a chance to go on his own terms do it his own way but i'm not sure i assume that rule learned within the last day or so but if you tell Rule, you assume somebody else in the room will know and then they leak it. This was not leaked by anybody. Schefter, all the people who know everything were surprised by this video, which is why I'm so impressed by it. I think Matt Rule probably learned about it just within the last 24 hours. Yeah. And he's definitely disappointed because even if Keeley admits that

he's lost a step or he's not the same player that he was, he still makes up with that by getting every single other player on that defense in the right place and making the right checks. And he's smart enough that even if he has lost a step, it doesn't matter because he knows where the ball's going. Most of the time in all those NFL top 100 videos, you hear other players talk about other players. I did it like six days after a surgery one time and I was on like 45 to 50 painkillers and I didn't remember any of it until it aired. And after a surgery one time, and I was on like 45 to 50 painkillers.

And I didn't remember any of it until it aired. And I was like, oh, I slaughtered on there. I was really good. But listening to players talk about Luke Keekly, you listen to other offensive linemen talk about playing against Luke Keekly, and they all say, like, we're in our set, and this guy's telling us basically what our check is about to be. And we're like, how do you know that?

We're not doing that. And then the conversation, Luke like look at him be like yeah you are that's just the type of player he was right and he said he wanted to be known as a guy who was like physical fast and tough i believe but i think his biggest thing was he was smarter than everybody so those are the four contributing factors and i would assume all four of those are things that he would like to keep intact he said he didn't have it as much as he thought he once did. And he said that linebacker room is a good one. I feel like he almost felt bad for taking the spot of somebody else whenever he wasn't at his 100% that he might have been a couple years ago.

But his, what, 90% or whatever he thinks he is at right now is still top 5% in all of defensive players. Which I think the NFL and NFL fans should be very thankful that we got to see Luke Kuechly. I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed that we won't see more of him. But if he's happy, I'm happy. And he's accrued over $50 million in his career.

He has a big old brain. And if he can utilize that to focus on something other than dissecting offenses and working out and running his head into people, I think we should be very happy for him. Do you think this is potentially Marshawn's fault? Like Luke was on the edge and then marsha was like take care of your chicken and your mentals and luke was like oh you right by the way chicken is money what do you think children i don't know i i couldn't figure it out take care of your chicken care your meat baby

chicks yeah yeah that would have been children take care of your mentals. Take care of your chicken. And he got, by the way, Marshawn, old whites, classic old whites, said that he was, you know, speaking ridiculous or whatever. If you listen to what he was saying, it's one of the smartest things that an ex-player has said. He's like, listen, I've been on the other side. We got people that are losing their lives. Like what Marshawn did was very noble up there. Now, granted, he did it strictly because he didn't want to talk to any of the humans that

were bashing him for what he was saying which i respect even more but it is real like i think a lot of us and i'm even feeling this more and more trying to work deals for nflpa and nfl alums like i am active right now in trying to make sure we can get some money from companies for NFL alumni, for other people to continue to make money, because I'm not 100% sure that the NFL PA does what they probably should do, which is take care of, you know, the legends of the game, the people that built the game. And now I am somebody who is not saying like, oh, back in the day, those guys did, they did though. And a lot of those guys haven't been taken care of. So whenever Marshawn steps up and he says,

listen, a lot of these players weren't taught how to manage millions of dollars. A lot of people weren't taught, like, hey, whenever you get $100,000, all those things you've dreamed of owning in your entire life that you can now afford, a lot of people weren't taught that discipline with their finances. So whenever you hear the stat, like, 80% of NFL players or 80% of professional athletes will go broke just a couple of years after they retire. And everybody's like, oh, idiot, like blah, blah, blah. It's like, have you ever just been handed a million dollars and said, hey, I know you used to sleep on the floor and I know you used to eat

oodles and noodles and you used to do all these things for your entire life and everything you've ever wanted is now at your fingertips. But you should be disciplined with your money. And it's like, yeah, it's a lot easier said than done, my friend. And I think that type of thing that happens, happens to a lot of players. And I think Marshawn taking the initiative to talk about that is cool. But I'm not 100% sure Luke Keekly is directly because of Marshawn Lynch. Something to think about.

Something to think about, though. Did Marshawn Lynch, Hall of Famer in his own right, talk Luke Keek? Did Marshawn Lynch from the town, okay? Okay? The town, town business. Did he convince a Boston College grad that he needs to take care of his chicken and retire? And if he did did that's why football is the most beautiful game on earth people from two polar opposite parts of the world

can come together for an agreement and understanding and for one common goal and that's the betterment of the future that's like aaron aaron rogers and marshall lynch after the game going taking their own special moment exchanging jerseys they're on cal they're both cal teammates together two very different individuals. That's why football is the greatest sport on earth, by the way. Matt Rule said this in his press conference, Carolina Panthers. It's real. You walk into a locker room, you got a short little dumpy guy.

Oh, he's the kicker. Okay. You got a six foot six guy who's shredded, who's 265 pounds. Oh, that's a defensive end. That guy is from there. You got a guy from Compton. You got a guy from Bel Air. You got a guy from Bel Air You got people from all over the place coming together for one common goal

That is why football is the most beautiful game on earth because of that and I think that is what people miss whenever they retire Is that camaraderie with people that are very different than you being able to come together for one goal and being able to make it? Happen that'll probably be what Luke Keighley misses the most if I had to guess goal and being able to make it happen that'll probably be what luke keekly misses the most if i had to guess massive baseball scandal happening right now with signs being stolen via videotaping and cameras and and bats and garbage cans and yelling and whistles and all this stuff and i i only played baseball one time in my life. It was professionally. So anytime I have a question about baseball and its ethics and rules, I call a guy who's a friend of mine, Indiana-based guy, Cincinnati Reds, gold-glove-winning catcher, Tucker Handsome Barnhart.

Tucker! What's going on, man? Hey, happy to see rehab's going well, by the way. You posted a video of you hitting the hell out of a baseball fatigue. Happy to see it. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. you what happened what did you hurt uh i came back at the end of the year so i was i finished here healthy but i i think i thought you had to have abs to pull them uh i pulled an ab and an oblique uh but i finished here healthy so everything was good but uh it hurt like hell that's for sure i could have fathomed.

I'm excited to see you back. Obviously, we are Reds fans here. Last year was tough. You guys gave us nothing to cheer for. I assume this year will be different, Tucker. I assume this year will be different. Yeah, we've made a lot of acquisitions this offseason that are proven to be – that are going to help us. Is that real?

Is that real? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's real. We've signed a couple guys. We signed a guy straight out of Japan who was a five-time All-Star over there. Signed a guy named Mike Moustakas who's really going to help us out. Let's go, Reds! Yay!

Okay, good. All right, good. So let's get past that. Last time I talked with you, you said something in our conversation about the baseball as being a little bit easier to hit, it feels like. That made waves, and then now everybody's talking about it. That was a couple years ago. Now, whenever I have a question about anything in this world, you're like a generational baseball player.

Your dad, I think, you've lived in this world. So now Alex Cora is this guy who is formerly of the Boston Red Sox, and Boston just so happens to be attached to this. I don't know why with everything like that he was at the Astros whenever he was the assistant the bench coach the assistant coach of the Astros the Astros broke basically every single hitting record that you could possibly break at home he gets a job they win a world series he gets a job at Boston they do the same thing up there then all of a sudden a pitcher comes out says oh they're recording it a podcaster

says it is this something that is understood that happens? Or is this like, what is your take on this as a guy who's a catcher and your exact fingers are probably on some of these cameras out there? What is this in the state of the game? Well, for me, it's been happening forever. I think sign stealing, looking for tells. I mean, it happens in every sport. I mean, you playing in the NFL, I'm sure you watch film, obviously. I mean, you watch film. You see guys on the – quarterbacks on the sideline looking at iPads, seeing pictures like real-time pictures.

It happens in every sport. And so I kind of don't understand it. And my worry is baseball has all these unwritten rules. You hear guys say, well, he's not supposed to do that. Well, it's not by the letter of the law. It's not a rule necessarily. And so in preparation for this article or for this interview, I did a little research and I read a couple of articles and nowhere that I found was anything that was being done at that time, it wasn't necessarily against any rules. Was it frowned upon? Maybe. However, from a catcher's perspective, we do things from inning to inning. We change signs. You set up later before the pitch is getting ready to be

thrown to you to combat that. So anytime like a guy's on second base, you have a sign sequence. It's as intricate as a one, which normally means fastball, doesn't mean a fastball, and then you sequence it in a number of signs to try and hide it, things like that. I mean, you do things to combat those things. You look for tells from the other team that make it appear like they're giving signs to their hitters that that it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me i are you saying this is are you saying you think this is kind of getting blown out of proportion and this is something that you as a catcher who is the person whose signals are being signed basically understands that there is the

potential of this happening and it's your job it's on you and the pitcher to make sure that this doesn't benefit the other team? No question. No question. I think I would be willing to bet that when Mike Fiers said what he said, that he didn't think it would get to where it's at now. I mean, guys are losing their jobs. Guys are potentially getting blackballed from baseball with all of this stuff that's gone on. And it's pretty black and white for me. If they were breaking a rule, I get it. If they were breaking an unwritten rule, I don't understand it. Because, I mean, in any walk of life, you look for an advantage.

I have a unique position because I'm in a situation as being a catcher that I do things to combat signed stealing. But also from a hitter's perspective, I would love to know what's coming. I mean, it makes my job a hell of a lot easier to hit if I know what pitch is coming. And so if a pitcher is blatantly giving me, if he's in the windup and it's as blatant as his hands go over his head when he throws a fastball and his hands don't go over his head when he throws a breaking ball, I'm going to take advantage advantage of that and so is everybody else that's on that's on our team so i i that to me is what i don't get i don't get that that if if a guy was showing that he was throwing a change up

and i and i mean it's been happening forever if you played literally i have a question i think people are assuming because now is this something you're gonna have to change knowing that there is a chance that there is a camera now they said now i don't know enough about baseball to really ask the right questions here but they said there was a camera being shot from center field at the catcher they would then go into a room to see what the catcher was doing and then they would bang on garbage cans and whistle and stuff for what the pitcher is doing as a catcher now i'm just i've never played catcher i've only played right field professionally but if i was a catcher and i heard this type of stuff happening isn't that something that would also

maybe tip you off like oh they're giving a little bit of this or they're giving a little bit of that or something like that and is the fact that they had a live feed going on is what they're blowing up about or is that something that maybe you know is happening they are the the live feed is the issue i believe however the rule of not being able to have i think they changed where you can have cameras they changed that going into last season and so all of this was happening it happened in 2017 when there wasn't a rule where you could or couldn't have cameras so for me it's a little it's it's really kind of it's odd to me i don't again i hate it i don't get it you hate it i i do i i think it sucks i really do i think it sucks because a guy outed his teammates that he benefited from i and i just think that I think it sucks because a guy outed his teammates that he benefited from.

And I just think that – I think it sucks. Imagine if you're a catcher, though, and you hear an entire dugout like – and you're just sitting there. You're like, what is that? Are you guys – excuse me. I think there was something going. That's the thing about baseball, though, that I think a lot of people appreciate, especially baseball fans, is like the game, right? Like there's a game inside of a game that's the thing about baseball though that I think a lot of people appreciate especially baseball fans is like the the game right like there's a game inside of a game that's

happening whether it's the umpire's strike zone whether it's like a little bit of more grip on the thing or the ball or anything like that there's always like these little games inside of baseball when a lot of people from a 30,000 foot view you see you're like oh okay it's pitcher versus batter and then there's nine innings But there's all these little things trying to get this little advantage in these 197,000 games that you have it's almost like a part of the sport Is that what you're saying as opposed to these unwritten rules being broken? It's almost like these types of things are a part of the sport. That's what makes the sport even better. I agree I it's things I mean it's things that have been

Happening for 50 years. I mean, it's things, I mean, it's things that have been happening for 50 years. I mean, it's just guys like I played with some guys that played with the Dodge. It was Chase Utley on the Dodgers towards the end of his career. And our hitting coach said last year that Chase's job, when he wasn't playing, he would just look for the pitcher to see if he could pick up anything to decipher what pitch was coming. I mean, that was just basically his job with the Dodgers, like I said, when he

wasn't playing. So it's just things like that. And he had gotten that from guys that he had played with coming up through the minor leagues and early on in his career in Philadelphia. And I just, it's something that's gone on forever. Now, again, if they were breaking a rule, if there was something in place that said this, the live feed couldn't be directly to a camera in the video room or in the batting cage or anything like that, then I completely understand it. But however, if there was no rule in place about the live feed, like you said,

or anything like that, then I just don't understand it. All right. Well, that's my opinion from here on out, though. You have a question, Tucker? Yeah, I do. And I agree with what you're saying, Tucker, too, about the unwritten rules and this stuff going on. But does it change your mind at all when you see Houston's home and away splits,

like the stats? They were basically unbeatable at home at points during the postseason. I mean, they're batting average. And I get home field advantage being something that's very real, but you know, they're batting like 80 points higher, a lot more homers, a lot more extra base hits, scoring a lot more runs. Like, does that change your opinion on it at all? It doesn't necessarily change my opinion on it. I think like from like a catcher standpoint and from like a scouting report standpoint, we look at things like that and

so there everybody knows who is who are the teams that that give signs whether it be first base coach or third base coach does something that the hitter can see or if it's a runner on second base giving a location to a hitter or or things like that or you know your pitchers that that get in trouble and tip their pitches sometimes and so you it's just something you have to take extra precautions I mean and and it's pretty obvious now thinking back like Brian McCann when he was catching for the Astros in 17 in the World Series everybody was talking about how many visits they made to the mound they they hated it they hated it but he was going and every time he would go he would he was going to combat the other team from stealing signs, and they would change up the signs and do things like that.

I mean, there are things now that happen. The Cardinals come to mind. They have a card in their back pocket that Yadier Molina will go like this behind the plate, and he'll hold up like a number two, number five, number four, whatever it is, and the pitcher will pull a card out of his back pocket, look at the card, sign sequence number four, and they change the signs. And it's crazy. It's like a football. It's like a quarterback with the arm sleeve.

It is. It is. And it's just, there's things done now to combat that. And so it doesn't necessarily, to answer your question, it doesn't necessarily change my mind. It just makes it more obvious that they were able to do something at home. They were able to give signs and again to me it's very black and white if it was against the rules then then i hate it but if it was just a competitive advantage that they were using or an unwritten rule then i think it's just part of the game gold glove winner starting catcher for the cincinnati reds coming off of rehab red's

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Time for you to get at least a mattress. I called football the greatest sport on earth. I got some soccer truthers coming out. Come on. Just know to the soccer truthers that are tweeting me, I was better than you at soccer. Got them. And I feel this way about football.

But, I mean, to each their own. You do what you got to do. It is the world sport. I can agree with that and respect that. But joining us now is a man who is a Grey Cup champion in CFL, an NFL pro bowler, and I believe he is currently in the middle of a workout, former San Francisco 49er legend Jeff Garcia. Good morning. What's happening, man?

What are you doing? Getting after it over there a little bit? I'm just on a little bike ride. Just a little warm-up in on a little bike ride just a little warm up in the morning get it going get the body loosened up oh my god do you do that every single day do you do some form of cardio every single day no i actually hate cardio i despise it unless i'm like playing in some basketball league or something like that but i'll get on my mountain bike every once in a while i live in a great area where there's a lot of uh natural paths all around so i can get on those and get a little get a little

something in get get the body lubed up as you know playing this game for a long time you get into a consistent kind of mode as far as working out and and that's important to me because it's more more anything. It's not so much the physical benefits as it is the mental benefits, just getting out there and getting my blood going and getting a pump on. I like to get into the gym though. I'll get into the gym five days a week and just kind of try to stay active. I love that you're a meathead. I need to get back. I need to get back into that, Jeff. I need to get back. I am so fat right now. These last four months, I'm 260 pounds right now, Jeff.

I'm potentially going to die of cholesterol or heart attack at any given time. I need to get back into it. Yeah, man. You got to take care of yourself. Come on, man. Get after it, dude. You know better than that. Jeff, I don't.

Actually, Jeff, I don't. All right, let's get to this weekend, shall we? San Francisco 49ers are back on top of the world, hosting the NFC Championship up there in Santa Clara. George Kittle, Jimmy G, that run game, the defense seems to be back. Richard Sherman can dissect everything it feels like. Do the Packers have a chance going in there, and how do you see the game playing out?

Well, you know, just like anybody, they have a chance. I mean, obviously, this league, this game comes down to one game. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones, that offensive group that they have, they're talented enough to put points on the board. Now, going back seven, eight weeks when the Niners played them on Monday night, they completely dismantled Green Bay. Really took everything away from them from a defensive standpoint and what Aaron and the offense could do.

I mean, they were stagnant. And, you know, I look at the Niners right now. They're just coming together at the perfect time. They got healed up. They got some of their guys, key guys, Dee Fordacoski tart uh kwan alexander on the defensive side when they were playing top-notch defensive football that was the first eight weeks of the season they were one of the best in the nfl then they kind of fell off they had a few injuries they kind of fell off a little bit people started to expose certain things about them but

now getting some of those key ingredients back along with what they have with Bosa and Armstead and Buckner inside. I mean, this is a group that just plays extremely great team football on defense. And then when you look at their offensive side of the ball with George Kittle at tight end and some of the guys that they have stepping up now, Debo Samuels, Emmanuel Sanders, those guys at the wide receiver position. And then the three headed monster of running backs with Mostert and Coleman and Brita and Jimmy G just making good decisions. They're really built well and built well to be good for the next, not just year this year, but years to come.

But this should be a great matchup. I mean, Aaron's been here before. He's obviously led that team to a super bowl title before they're very capable of coming in and putting a great game plan together and a great game and these are two coaches that know each other kyle shanahan and and um laflore bay's head coach yeah they were together in washington so they have familiarity with each other and it should be a great game. Sorry, nobody knew his name before he was hired. I struggle with everybody's name.

I think you just did an incredible job breaking down that game. What do you think, John Lynch? Why do you think, let me change that question. Why do you think John Lynch has had such success building up this roster? What you just said, they're also, I think they're contractually in a good spot for a few years as well. They have a quarterback that they've paid and they've still been able to put together a good team why do you think john lynch has had such good success at the gm position i think you know pat oftentimes those gms are guys that have never played the game of football they don't know what it's like to be in a locker room you get a guy like john lynch who's been a super champion, who's been on the ballot for the Hall of Fame, who was such an elite pro for his entire career with a defensive mindset. As you know, as you've seen in the past, teams that are built strong on the defensive side of the ball, you look at Denver

a few years ago when they played Carolina. It wasn't Peyton Manning's offense that was leading that team. It was a defensive football team that was really making that team outstanding. Prior teams to that, the Ravens, different situations where defensive football overpowers great offensive football. And I think when they started building this team, they really focused on getting that foundation of a defense, that defensive line, that area that could put pressure on a quarterback, that could stop the run game. And they've just done such a great job. I think with John Lynch, a guy who has played the game for so many years, has such great experience, who's an intellectual guy as it is from studying the game and understanding

the chemistry of a team and how important it is to put those pieces to the puzzle together that really fit well, that gel well together. They've done a great job of doing that. They've weeded out some of the negativity. They pushed it to the side, not allow it to become a disease from within the locker room. And just their talent and what they've been able to see from the eye. And Debo Samuels in the second round, mean you can talk about the receiver from Seattle as being a steal but Debo Samuels is turning out to be a great find in the second

round for the 49ers just what he can do is versatility not only as a wide receiver but as a running back in the backfield what he can do when he gets the ball in his hands has been exciting so you look at just the things they've done over the last couple years they've really built the team up strong on the defensive side with a lot of good young talent and then they put some good pieces in place that uh and look at george kittle they lucked out on that one look at a guy that they got in the later round to just be the beast that he is on the field the energy that he brings it's awesome well you need to luck out every once in a while with later round picks but also your culture creates that.

And I think that's something that the San Francisco culture, the Niners culture is a great one. And Debo, best name I've ever heard. But also he has fit in very well there. And I think Jimmy G, everybody says people are game managers. I think he's a great quarterback. And I think going into last year, there was a lot of hype on them. They obviously didn't work out because Jimmy got hurt this year, not as much.

Now they're kind of off and running. Can't wait to watch them take on the Packers. Love Aaron Rodgers. It's going to be a good game. Let's flip over to the AFC. How do you start? I guess the Texans had the answer for the Chiefs, and it was score early, have them make some special teams mistakes,

take advantage of them. They're up 24-zip. And then Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid with his beautiful mind and all of those weapons on that offense they could have scored a hundred if they would have played four good quarters and i don't know how you stop that how do you stop that jeff and are the titans the team to do it i know it was amazing man to watch that game play out to see houston go up 24-0 but know that it's like they were up 24-0 but you knew knew that Kansas City wasn't out.

I mean, you know, they had a couple incompletions on third down that would have extended drives, and those turned into, like, nightmarish situations. They got the blocked punt for a touchdown. Then they had the fumbled punt that gave a short field to Houston. You knew it was just a matter of time, but how quickly they were able to turn it around to score 21 points within four minutes, to go up at halftime, 28-24. You knew at that point that Houston had no answer.

Coming into the second half, and how do you stop those guys in Kansas City? I mean, I was just trying to think about that earlier today. They have such great weapons, but Patrick Mahomes, it's like he has an open receiver every single play. I don't know how you stop this group of talent, what they're able to do with their running backs out of the backfield, how Patrick's able to extend time by time when he

needs to. He's great and calm within the pocket, but he's also the best when he's outside of the pocket. What he's able to do with his legs and his arm outside the pocket is unbelievable. And, you know, you look at what sort of team can stop this team. First of all, the best defense to Patrick Mahomes is keeping him on the sideline. Yeah, exactly. And so when you look at how Tennessee is built with that run game, with Henry, and what they're able to do physically in moving chains and hopefully ball control will play in their favor,

that's really the only way that I could see a team being able to match up with Kansas City. Now, not enough, I think, attention has been put on what Tennessee can do on the defensive side of the ball. They have beat Kansas City earlier in the season in Tennessee. I don't recall exactly what the situation was, whether Mahomes was playing in that game or not. But they've proven themselves that they can play with this team.

And I think going into this game with the confidence that they've built up over the last two weeks with big-time wins in New England, in Baltimore, I mean – Are you picking the Titans? They're playing with a chip on their shoulder. And that's a tough team to play right now with a chip on your shoulder. You just picked the Titans? Is that what you just did, Jeff Garcia?

I didn't pick the Titans, but I did pick the Titans. All right, Jeff, get back to your workout. I can't thank you enough for joining us. Every time you come on here, I learn, and I'm intrigued by your conversation. You're very good, man. I appreciate it, man. Hey, all the best to you. Maybe we'll see you in Super Bowl time.

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this morning i'm out in la right now what is it for is it for nflpa are you doing media run right now yep nflpa we've got uh the collegiate bowls out here and uh just checking things right. Before we get to the Saints, because you've been there for 10 years steadfast, a guy who's been an all pro for the Saints, third disappointing loss for an incredible season. Before we talk to that, just because you're at the NFLPA stuff out there, the new CBA is up right now. There was conversations like a month and a half ago that a deal was going to be done early somehow, which I was very surprised about because there's billions of dollars at stake and that could optically look bad for either side whoever loses how are those conversations going and what are some differences that people are going to

maybe learn about with the cba coming out for the new one well i'm on the executive committee so i can't really talk about any of that we're in we have you know your boy venetieri is on that as well. It's an exciting time for sure. It's a different climate than it was nine years ago for the old CBA, so hopefully we'll be able to make some moves in the right direction that are going to help every player. You say different climate.

Does that mean it's been a lot more positive conversations as if we're business partners as opposed to going to war with each other? Or is that what you're saying? Yeah, I would say for sure that it's been amicable and that it seems like it's in everybody's best interest to at least give it a shot. So that's exciting. Is the conversation behind closed doors both by the NFLPA and the NFL

that the lockout is something that was not good for both sides? I think that's an opinion that everybody has that's different. So I just think the climate right now is in a place that, you know, I think there's a lot of positive reasons to at least have everybody intend to try to get something done. And, you know, we'll kind of see how it shakes out. Okay, perfect. Let's get back to the football now.

New Orleans Saints have another incredible year. Home playoff loss happens yet again. I mean, when I say heartbroken, I mean heartbroken for Saints and Saints fans and you as a friend. First, the Minneapolis miracle obviously happens. You end up lining up a Dle for an extra point after that. You looked great there. Then there's the Phantom Pass interference,

and then there's this overtime loss where Drew Brees doesn't even get a chance to get back on the field, which obviously spurs a lot of conversation. What is the state of the New Orleans Saints in your mind? Because every year you guys have this incredible team, and then you're just so close to making another run like you did beating us for the Super Bowl. What is the state of the New Orleans Saints, you think? I would say it's outstanding. I think New Orleans, 15, 20 years ago, was not seen as an elite organization, maybe a bit of a laughingstock.

Maybe a bit of a laughingstock. And I think with Drew and Sean and Mickey Loomis, our GM, there's just been such an incredible level of stability and sustained excellence. And, you know, it doesn't make it easy to ever lose in the playoffs because you know those opportunities are not guaranteed. But as far as the organization goes, man, it's just so stable. I think they do things right from the top down. And that gives you a chance every year. I'm really happy that your just incredible onside kick at halftime that buried our Super Bowl

is what could really kick off this entire run for the Saints. There was an entire article written about ambush and how impressive of an onside kick that was. And I said, for you to be a rookie, to be able to pull that kick off on the grandest, the biggest stage that there possibly could be with so much precision and everything like that, it was probably the most impressive kick I've ever seen. Literally the most impressive kick I've ever seen, I think. Well, I appreciate it.

I was just glad we weren't wearing white pants that day. You think Drew Brees has more in the tank? The conversation about Drew Brees has always been he's trying to get another one. You get close, he's trying to get another one. You get close, he's trying to get another one. He wasn't on the NFL All-100 team. It was complete farce. He has every record you could possibly have.

He has a Super Bowl ring. Do you see Drew Brees having more in the tank and coming back for another run at this thing? Yeah, look, I can't see him not being back next year. He loves the game so much, and he loves this team. And at the end of the day, he's a competitor, and he just wants to go after it. And every time he doesn't get an accolade that he deserves or that I think he deserves, it's good for him, man. He plays best with a chip on his shoulder. He's done that his whole life. It's always a good thing whenever he's a little underappreciated

because I think he takes things personal. He's competitive, and he loves to win. I'd expect him back next year Thomas it feels like a lot of the greats operate that way Aaron Rodgers everybody now he'll never say but everybody around him says that I operate that way I'm not saying I'm Aaron Rodgers but professional athletes I feel like people think aren't as petty as they are but anytime you have a chance to feel slighted it's a great way to use his motivation i'm happy to hear that drew breeze arguably best quarterback of all time if they're at least in a conversation

top three top four of all time feels that same way as well yeah look i think uh you can call it petty uh i you know i wouldn't describe uh drew that way but i think another word maybe is some of the best athletes i've been around, they get salty kind of quick. And so, you know, our kicker, Will Lutz, is like that. I joke with him all the time. He kind of gets a little sensitive about things, but he takes it personal, and that's why he's so good. He's just a machine, you know?

You give back to the punting community and kicking community more than any other punter I've ever seen. You taught me how to punt. You've taught a lot of the guys in the NFL currently how to punt. I think you should get a lot more credit for that than you do, by the way. Look, I don't do it for credit. I've always kind of had this life philosophy, what you give will grow and what you keep you lose.

Some people are like, hey, man, you're training guys to take your job. I just feel like whenever it's time to be done, it'll be time to be done. And you're meant to share with what you have. And honestly, I'll never forget those two days we spent right after you got drafted up in Wisconsin. That was good times for sure. Thomas, Thomas, all right. Will you just tell me how to punt?

Listen, I just got drafted to punt. I understand I have a little bit of an ability but to make a paycheck here i'm gonna have to be a little bit better is there any way you could tell me how to putt in for two days to your credit you one thousand percent did and then fast forward we're in the super bowl together and now i mean i was i was second guessing myself at that point well the punter of the decade thing comes out, right? You're number two. I'm number one.

I think that's wrong. I don't think I should have got it. I think you should have been it. But that is so good. Hey, the numbers don't lie, Pat. Numbers don't lie. And I love PFF. They've been, shoot, I negotiated my last contract with all their data.

So, you know, the numbers don't lie, and you deserve that, man. All you did your whole career was get better. That means a lot, and all I did was learn from you. Let's talk about people getting better. Okay, that Niners team, they got better. Last year they stunk because Jimmy G decided to zig instead of zag. You played in a game against them that was must-see television. Now, they are hosting a playoff game against Green Bay Aaron Rodgers

in the NFC Championship. How do you see that one going, and who do you give the edge to, Thomas? Well, look, I think the stats say the home team has got the edge. I think it's a little bit of a mind-eff, a little bit, with how the game, the original game went early in the season with the Packers getting smoked. I think that can be a tough deal for San Fran, I think. It's hard to beat a really good team twice, and they beat them so handily.

And so, you know, I think the Packers will obviously figure out a lot of adjustments to make. And, you know, I think special teams could be huge. You know, J.K. Scott being out in San Francisco where it's nice weather typically, that guy is special, man. He is special. He can be a game changer for them for sure. I don't know how you guys punt and not leave the ground. Hey, man, you're an athlete and I'm not not So I had to find a different way

We're talking about J.K. Scott For a putting insider J.K. Scott when he punts you see his plant foot never leaves the ground It's always right leg Thomas does the same I got another piece for you on J.K. that I've never seen before You know there's typically a little air time Between your drive step and your plant

He almost has both feet on the ground at the same time I've never seen that before if you go watch that is that why he was so consistent because that little air time there can make Your stride a little bit different. Yeah, there's no air time and his legs are like he's like a giraffe out there It's amazing watching on well, I am so I've been corrected. He does not do yoga He does Pilates, which is what you you do too So you two are the same Exact human being basically Absolutely Alright

That's for non-athletes Like I said Tom is your freak athlete I appreciate you So Luke Keekly retires Okay okay Hold on Hold on

NFL PA member NFC South member A guy who You sent me a photo Of you and Luke Keekly Having an interaction I have no idea Was that a blocked field goal?

Yeah I read a blocked field goal and I thought I'd be able to – I was able to kind of get to him, and then he decided – I think he slowed up at the end just so he could embarrass me. Yeah, it was definitely my most embarrassing moment as a professional athlete. Yeah, you got Earl Thomas there by third candidate. Looking at a photo for those that are listening on radio. Thomas, you've been in the league now 10 years. You're 30 plus years old. You've seen a lot of players come and go. Andrew Luck retires young. Everybody talks about it. Gronk retires young. Now Luke Keekly is retiring before the

age of 30. Do you see this being something that is going to continue to happen as players continue to realize that there's opportunities off the field and maybe it's time to give somebody else another chance i've accrued enough money or what do you think it is or do you think this is just kind of like a case-by-case basis look i i think look the money is in a different realm than it's ever been and it's only continuing to go up and i think you're going to see players that um that play positions that are physically very difficult to play um those guys that you just listed a lot of those guys have gotten beat up a lot whether it's concussions or just getting you know Gronk he's just getting

everybody's best shot every time he caught the ball uh because he's so dang big and and Andrew got you know waylaid for years up in Indy. And you're going to see guys that are going to start looking around and they're going to say, look, I'm healthy right now. And I've still got my wits about me. I've got a ton of money in the bank. What's it worth? And you're going to see that.

I think the common thing, you see there's a lot of smart guys you just listed, right, that are going to be thinking about things like that's uh it's only human nature to think like that uh it's different when you got no money in the bank account so i wouldn't be surprised to see that continue completely agree you're a very intelligent man as well i hope you punt till the wheels fall off though because you're a lot of fun what's this juice company you're now investor owner a part of i mean good for you getting in business yeah appreciate it man uh main squeeze uh juice company it's a franchising company down in louisiana based in new orleans and uh i actually got uh into it we're interested in it because marcus colston was their initial

investor and um they're uh you know i just i started checking my credit card statement every month and i said okay i need to find a deal with something here. I'm spending money on a good place. I got in touch with those guys and got to meet their team. They're expanding very rapidly, taking over Houston now. Now we're expanding in Dallas and getting into Florida. We're trying to take over the southeast as quick as possible. It's a race to real estate. It's just a big passion of mine,

health, wellness, and being able to provide value, information, and how certain things have helped me prolong my career or try to continue to get better in my career. Passing those along to people that follow me is kind of a passion of mine. And so, you know, Newleans isn't exactly known as the health capital of the world so uh you know it's it's uh it's it's something i'm passionate about and uh and it's exciting to be a part of well i appreciate you so much for joining us good luck with main squeeze what you give will grow is also awesome you grow your hair out and then you cut it and donate it i mean you're a man amongst men i appreciate the hell out of you good luck in those negotiations with the nfl and uh congrats on continuing to be able to just slaughter footballs you're mad pat thanks for having me on man ladies and gentlemen all pro super bowl champion thomas thank you thomas

he taught me how to punt that was a hilarious day nice guy very nice guy completely different human than me completely i think he has has an engineering degree from SMU. Very, very intelligent. Super tall. His legs come up to my boobs. Everything is different. It's a very different world between he and I. But he's one of those guys that's legit.

He's legit. You can ask him a question, he'll give you real answers. In his professional sports world, that's not always going to happen. You see it with backups getting drafted and then the starter not taking care of them because you are literally giving the keys to the estate to somebody that's potentially going to knock you out of your house literally and thomas morse there was a kid and a guy a guy at this time i guess but a kid then i was like man i don't know why they drafted me to do this bill belichick literally told me we think you're athletic enough to figure it out i'm like i i need to figure it out thomas he's like let's go

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