The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1541 - GM Tuesday With LA Rams GM Les Snead, Houston Texans GM Nick Caserio, Pete Thamel, Quentin Richardson, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk and the boys chat about last night’s NBA and NHL playoff action as we have more series becoming competitive and electric, continue to chat about the fallout from the NFL Draft and what it means moving forward, and everything else happening in the sports world as we have several more playoff basketball and hockey tonight. Joining the show is four incredible guests to cover everything happening including The Authority on college football, Pete Thamel to chat about Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby going to rehab for gambling addiction and what it means moving forward; Super Bowl Champion and current LA Rams GM Les Snead to set the story straight on the situation between the LA Rams and Ty Simpson and Sean McVay; 13 year NBA vet, 3 point contest champion, and ESPN NBA analyst Quentin Richardson to break down all the NBA playoff action and look ahead to tonight; and lastly 6x Super Bowl Champion, and current GM of the Houston Texans, Nick Caserio to chat about their draft and all the different offseason acquisitions. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Big GM Tuesday, April 28, 2026. This program begins now. Sports! We are the absolute greatest, and we're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about them every single day. And this is Big GM Tuesday. We wouldn't say that unless we had some GM stuff happening, and it would have to be big. Well, less need, general manager of the Los Angeles Rams in the middle of this tie. Simpson situation that has been brewing since the 13th pick of the 2026 NFL draft.

Ty Simpson, obviously quarterback from Alabama. We all learned of him quickly as an NFL prospect, as Dan Rolovsky said he was the best quarterback in this draft by far through his tape study. He liked Fernando Mendoza. He loved Ty Simpson. Turns out what he was thinking was not just his own thoughts. It was also Les Needs, thoughts of Los Angeles Rams alongside Sean McVeigh. Now when the draft pick takes place, obviously the world explodes.

Dan Rolovsky was actually on our show. He chugged an IC Light Mango at a celebration, did a couple laps, kept banging his microphone off of the desk. So his mic would boom, and then my mic would also boom. Correct. So he's kind of ruining the entire draft spectacular from an audio standpoint, but he was taking a victory lap because he knew that the film was telling the truth that he thought he was seeing. Now, he's a first round draft pick.

He's going to be the backup behind Matthew Stafford. for however long Matthew Stafford would like is what Sean McVeigh said. But Sean McVeigh also said, yeah, okay, to Ty Simpson on Draft Night when he said, let's make history together. And there was also a lot of moments where he was saying, you know, he'll be battling with Stetson Bennett and trying to make sure Ty knew his place in this entire thing. And Ty Simpson afterwards would say, I never met Sean McVeigh. Can't wait to get to work with him.

So we see his pictures of Sean McVeigh's face when he's me, mold. then we hear that he never met Sean McVeigh and Les Sneed now his friends with this guy's dead so oh what the hell is going on with this pick and how Dan Rolovsky potentially know that this entire thing was happening

then it comes out afterwards Sean McVeigh's happy just wants Matthew Stafford to know that this is his team and then Ty Simpson goes on with Ian Fitzsimmin Amber and Ian we love Ian yeah he is the man he gives us smelling salt smelling salts on a side on the field pass to wake us up at every college football game

Not that we need it, but he basically gives us a speech about look around, and then he cracks these things open, and then we're all as if we're about to go into the thing. Ty Simpson was on with Ian Fitzsimmons, and this is what he said just yesterday. You know, what's crazy is, you know, we tried to keep this under wraps as long as we could. You know, it was something to where I knew they were interested, but, you know, they wanted to, you know, make it private and didn't want people to know that, you know, they were interested. So I had some secret meetings with, you know, Coach McVeigh. And, you know, I just was trying to be on script and, you know, do what, you know, everybody told me not to tell

anybody. So, you know, it was something to where I knew that they were interested. I just didn't know when. And then, you know, sure enough, you know, I had a lot of confidence in myself and that's I decided to come out. If it won them, I felt like that it was going to be somebody else. You mentioned secret meetings there. So take us behind the scenes. What was that like when you first met Sean McVeigh and then before the draft and then after the draft?

Good follow up. No, it was great. You know, we met at the facility and it was something to where, you know, we just talked for hours and hours. And it was just football. It was just straight football. And it was like a kid in a candy store. you know, me and him are sitting there and, you know, we're just going back and forth.

Just, you know, we can, you can tell the obsession he has for the game, and you can tell the, you know, the love he has for quarterback play. It's something that, you know, I appreciate, and it's something that I enjoy because, you know, I really, you know, enjoy playing the position and value the position. Okay, so that has people saying, well, is this, Ty Simpson or Lye Simpson? I can't wait to hear what the actual story is. Les Need, the general manager of the Los Angeles

Rams will join us in 25 minutes or so. Feels like Ty Simpson is maybe one of the nicest guys of all time and didn't know what the right move was, but I think Les Need will hopefully clarify it a little bit from their side and also chitch out about where the Rams stand at this exact moment. They use the first round pick from this year to get McDuffian

and the defensive secondary, who's a stud. They get a quarterback of the future, out, you get another piece there to potentially go and win yourself a Super Bowl this year. Maybe people will celebrate, but you're thinking about the future. And you also get McDuffie. It's like an interesting game. They've got a play right now. They got vets that are great.

They got a young defense that's hungry. They got studs all over the place. Can win now also have to plan for the future. Les Need used to be a fuck them picks guy. Yeah. We're trying to win a Super Bowl in Los Angeles here to win over the fans and also kind of jumpstart this entire Sean McVeigh operation that we have over here. They won all in.

now they're on the other side of it. They had two first rounders this year because they had the Atlanta Falcons whenever they make the trade last year for this year's first round pick. That ends up being the pick for Ty Simpson. So if you go for the Atlanta Falcons' last couple first round picks, it was Michael Pennix out of nowhere for a backup quarterback situation to a vet who had a lot of money in a contract. And then the Falcons pick this year first round. 13 overall, Los Angeles Rams, backup quarterback Ty Simpson, which everybody was kind of surprised for. So maybe the Falcons pick next year. Let's keep an eye on that.

and see what the trend is going to continue to be. But I'm excited to hear from Les Need, who has built a winner multiple times, multiple different ways, and has to pay people multiple different times. I can't thank him enough for joining us in about 25 minutes to break down everything that's going on with Ty. Not meeting, then he is meeting, then they're loving each other, hours, kidding a candy store? What's going on? What's going on? Is this a love affair that's happening?

That's why Sean McVeigh had to sell it so hard on afterwards. He's, uh, I don't know the fucking guy. I love Stafford. He's bad, man. And did Stafford know they're doing hours? Oh, so much drama, controversy. Not like the controversy that was across the street from the draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I'm sure they put up record numbers.

Oh, yeah. For what they just went through it down there or whatever it is. But this is certainly something that'll get figured out. I'm excited for less need. Also, Nick Casario, Houston, Texan general manager, will join us in the second hour. He's fresh off of just drafting dogs all over the place. And, oh, yeah, they just made Will Anderson the highest paid non-quarterback in the history of the NFL. So congratulations to him having a mom.

monster team down in Houston and also building from the messaging we're getting from the building, building a dogs only type of culture down there in Houston, which is obviously scary in the AMC South. Don't love that. I guess Mr. Rutledge is just mean cut. Yeah, mean cut. I guess he's just a mean cut. Red. Caden McDonald, gay, D-Tackle from Ohio State that I got a chance to see and watch him get drafted there on the second night backstage. He paints his whole face. It's cool. He paints his whole. That guy right there who seems, you know, obviously incredible family. I got a chance to meet them.

I got a chance to meet the whole family, talk to the whole family. Love Caden, loved his vibes. He gets on a football field. Here's me and his whole family. Boom! He paints his entire face. He's ready to go to absolute war. It feels like Casario has a type.

I'm excited to hear what that is. I'm excited to hear where they think they are. And what's going on with CJ Stratt? It's going on with C.J. Straught. How do you feel about him? He did look very thin at a workout just like a week or two ago. We'll also be joined by Q. Pete Damel, and yeah, I mean, this should be a great day.

I'm talking sports. The talks tables here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, right now is where we kind of start breaking down on the fallout from the draft. We enjoy the playoffs, but all eyes are on the regular season. Are the Green Bay Packers going to win? Because I heard Michael Parsons is getting in fights with you on Bell on the air. Yeah, you know, he's been mixing it up a little bit because... That's Michael Parsons football.

Exactly, exactly. And that was kind of the thing that all Packers fans knew when we got. got Michael Parsons is, hey, guess what? When football's not being played, there's going to be stuff like this. Okay, he's going to be mixing it up with guys. He's going to be going on draft shows and, you know, taking shots at Philly like he's still playing for the Cowboys. You know, he's a dog. What are you going to do? Sometimes you've got to just unchain the dog, let him roam. I could care less what he does outside of getting arrested. Do whatever you want in the offseason. That's your time, brother. You, you know, you do what you got to do. You say what

you got to say, and then come football season, when we get you back in there, you're ready to run. You got to focus on football that'll help there in New England. Is that what you're right? I would say, you know, the getting arrested rule is good. Probably some other things that maybe you could throw in there, probably just stay away from. But, I mean, it is a playlist now. Look, look, look, look.

That is too far. It's turning into a witch hunt. It's not to every day. It stops now. It turned into a witch hunt. It's bullshit. Okay. And we have to remember, there are two days.

family's involved. He's right. We should turn the page. One half of the hammer. Cowboys. Is that the name of the house? No. You son of a bitch. That's not the name of it. And I'm sick of it. It's slainment. It's bullshit. All right. Let's move on the ball. We are moving on the ball. You look phenomenal today. Thank you. I really like what you're doing here.

Man in black, baby. Yeah, I appreciate it. Believe me. I respect it more than anybody else out there. Can we start getting some ideas on how we can get the crown? I know Sidney Crosby has started to play really good hockey right now. Tanger is scoring all over the place. The boys are buzzing. The flyers look a little lot. They do, don't they? Hey, they started to look like their

stupid mascot. What's that thing's name? Gritty. There it is. Pussy. Playing Pittsburgh saying you're gritty. Okay. But he's eyeballs. You know, like yes. That's kind of what the flyers look like right now because they're in a Sidney Crosby buzz saw. How you doing, keep it moving? Sydney Crosby and Seven was almost

the name of today's show before we found out that both GMs could join us, Big GM Tuesday. But what do we need to know? other than just betting on Sidney Crosby right now, that can maybe bring the crown hone in the NBA and the NHL. A lot of action every night right now. We are in a prime time to be watching sport, to be gambling on sport,

but I would like to win and maybe get a crown or two every once in a while. Yeah, this week is actually really, really good week for betting. And speaking of Philly and Gritty, if that bell would have been made with U.S. steel, it wouldn't have cracked. Okay, so just something to think about. Okay. But no, you... What are bells made out of just so we know?

What normally... Probably some sort of bronze or brass. Okay. But if it would have been steel, it wouldn't have cracked. I promise you that. Probably, I appreciate it. But no, I mean, this is a really awesome time because you have the NHL playoffs every night. You have the NBA playoffs every night.

You have a full lineup of baseball every single day. There is an elevated event for the PGA tour this week. So you're going to get that. And then at the end of the week, you get the most betting thing of all time for degenerates. The Kentucky Derby at the end of the week. So this is kind of like, this is one of the best weeks of gambling you can have basically of all year to get the crown. There's a lot of options. Hockey's tough.

I mean, those are one goal games. Those are back and forth besides the couple that were, that just went clean sleep 4-0. And then the NBA this year out of all years, like, and you look at it last night with the stones losing again to the magic. Like, it's been kind of unpredictable in the NBA as well. So good luck getting the crown is kind of what I'm saying. It feels like one of the automatic crowns, at least for the past few games, is Cade Cunningham over on turnover. Yeah, no kidding. He's really putting the over in turn overall.

over, isn't he? Everybody's trying to beat Tyrese, Alberg? Is that what I read in the group text? Everybody's trying to be Tyrese, whenever the lights get the brightest, and all of a sudden the ball doesn't just on a string for everybody. And then the magic artis. I can't blame Cade Cunningham because his center, his all-star, a guy that was supposed to be on the Olympic USA team starting center. Jalen Duren hasn't showed up. He's not his distance. He stinks. So when that happens, everything in the offense is going to change. Last night, I'll say it, was the worst basketball game. ever watched in my life.

High school, college, NBA. You name it. You've seen some bad Michigan State basketball games. Trust me when I say, these guys, brick, other side, brick, brick, brick, brick, brick, turnover, turnover. It was the worst game I've ever seen. It was the ugliest game I've ever seen. If you want to watch bad basketball,

you watch Pistons versus Magic. It's insane. Magic can kind of continue in the move. Pistons, number one, overall seed in the east, kind of shiting the bed right now right in front of us. Maybe they're not ready for the moment. Maybe they need another year. Good luck to them, but it's certainly a good time to make fun of your Detroit friends because they thought the Pistons were going to certainly go on a run for them. They have not.

Nine-year NFL vet. D.S.J. Butler is here. DeButs, obviously, NHL playoffs are without your team, the Florida Panthers this year. The NBA playoffs, obviously electrifying, will be joined by Q. Rich here in a matter of moments. This Ty Simpson NFL fallout and with Casario coming on today, what are you most excited to talk about? What do you think is the big news around the NFL at this exact moment? Honestly, the Todd Simpson. I want to see what GM Les Sneed has to say about that. And the other moves, obviously he made the Trent McDuffie,

the highest paid corner in the league. So I'm excited to talk to him about that as well. And Nick, you know, right here in our division, we all know Nick very well. I'm interested to see what he has to say as well. I'm excited about those GM conversations. And then NBA basketball, the playoffs, are still on a hot start.

So I love Q Rich. I love Q Rich. He love Q. He love Q. He love Q. He love Q. We'll talk to him in about it now, I have the wrong time in front of me for that. A lot of move parts.

What we don't have and what we haven't brought up is the Aaron Rogers, unrestricted free agent, tender, which the Pittsburgh Steelers have placed on Aaron Rogers. I believe that allows them to still receive a compensatory pick if he was to go to another team or play this upcoming season. I think it also means that if Aaron Rogers doesn't sign with another team by the beginning of training camp, he won't be allowed to, basically. He has to play for the Steelers. So a decision has to be made by the beginning of training camp if he was going to play elsewhere.

There was some conjecture from an Adam Schaefter tweet that initially rolled this out that basically said like the Steelers have the right to match or the right of first refusal. I guess that's not exactly true, but they will get compensatory pick if he was going to another team. And that decision has to be made before training camp as opposed to something that happens afterwards from our understanding of this rarely used tender, I guess, which has an unrestricted free agent now restricted a little bit. How? Never heard. Me. How does that work? I guess it's been used before, is what we were told.

In the years past, I guess. Jay G. Dobbins was the last one, I believe, last year or the year before that? Okay, so now the big question is, do they think Aaron's potentially going to play for somebody else, which is why they want a compensatory pick? Okay, that feels like big news, if that is the news. And how is Aaron going to react to them? Did they, you know, there's just so much drama potentially around this entire thing on all sides. interesting move that I have not seen

and I had no idea this has been used before by teams it feels like quite a loss by the NFLPA in negotiations of the CBA that a guy who's played in the NFL for 20 24? Yeah, it's like 23rd or 24th area. What if his decision was

I'm going to wait till see if somebody gets hurt going to a place maybe be a mercenary here towards the end of my career it's like nope actually you can't do that you have to decide you're going to do that before the season and starts like that's an interesting little thing that I didn't know existed. And shout out to, I guess, the NFL's lawyers for negotiating this in there.

Because what an interesting little tactic to keep somebody kind of having to live in your world as opposed to their own world. I mean, I guess I'm just a fool. I thought this would all be sorted out by the draft. Me? I guess we are still on Aaron Rogers timeline. And now with this wrinkle here, this is interesting. I'm sure more details will probably come out about this. But this is very, very.

And what are those, what will be those other? landing places, especially right after the draft where everybody has filled whatever needs they have at the quarterback position. We know injuries always happen, but I mean, Aaron, at this stage in his career, would you go somewhere and learn a new offense? Like we all, even with Mike Tomlin, we don't want on NBC, say, hey, gun to hit, Aaron's going to be the quarterback. Tone, you back and forth.

I am not back and forth. See you later, dude. What? Tony. I guess that's how children's a team. Come on, Tone. Yeah, maybe Arizona Cardinals with another of the floor. Yeah.

You know, the immediate thought last year if this conversation would have been happening is Minnesota Vikings, because the Minnesota Vikings were potentially going to be in play with Kevin O'Connell's offense, and they got Justin Jefferson, and obviously they got Addison, they had Aaron Jones last year. I mean, they had weapons all over the place. B-Flow on defense, you'd expect them to have success. They bring in Cailornery. Kyle are now basically going to be their guy. Two ends up where in Atlanta?

Atlanta. And then Miami is. Malik. Malik Willis. I mean, the Browns aren't scared to add another quarter. You can go back to the Jets, maybe. I mean, you're right. The Browns could potentially add another quarterback.

That does sound like Rogers. Go play for the Browns in his last year. Join a room. Join a room. Join a room. A contract offers out there now. We know it's $15 million, right? One year, $15 million.

That's kind of what this tender does. So Aaron can't say that there's not a contract offer out there anymore. It's a 10% raise of the last year's salary, which would pay him about $15 million, says Schefter. But if that was $10 million, wouldn't that be $11 million then? instead of $15 million. Whatever the case is, this particular tender has placed the amount of money in a formal offer, I guess, from the Pittsburgh Steelers to Aaron Rogers has now been publicly made, I believe, is what this would be.

And compensatory picks if he was to go elsewhere. Yeah, and it kind of puts a deadline on Aaron now by that if you do want to play for another team or whatever, you need to do it by the time camp comes, because we'd also like to know what our quarterback situation by the time we open camp. You got Will Howard and Drew Howard. and Mason and Mace dog sounds like you are ready to turn the page yeah vibes wise I am

yeah why why are you so good time Pittsburgh just at 8th 5,000 folks come through the NFL drag and all the players were saying like hey if Aaron doesn't come back Will Howard's our guy they're all speaking glowingly of him he's at a Luke Combs concert shotgun and beers he's not trying to find the stars or whatever

he's doing out there he knows he wants he will know what his process will be if he plays 23 years in the NFL What did he find the stars? Unbelievable. Will Howard is a good leader, though, they say. Not saying that Aaron isn't, but it was very obvious that Will Howard was QB1 at the Pittsburgh Penguins game that we went to.

Both in the parking lot before we went in, they were waiting for Will when Will got there, QB1. Whenever he was in the Pittsburgh Penguins building, there's a hockey night in Pittsburgh, Will Howard in the middle of that entire thing. I believe at a ribbon-cutting ceremony, Will Howard was like very much Will Howard acting like QB1 around teammates. And I guess that's because he is. right right technically as of right now as

whatever the phase one mini camp whatever last week yes he was QB1 and he also came out and said if Aaron comes back cool I get another year watching Aaron Rogers if not I'm ready to go it's like feels like I have believed in Will Hard longer I think the you have yeah oh yeah longer

longer than most yeah and still do and I still yeah from what we saw from him and at the combine freezing cold warm up beyond doing the entire thing going through his situation that's right no cameras just so happen to have an employee that we happen to know walking by at the time because we're in Indianapolis. We were called liars for saying that,

well, our's not out there and 25 degree weather working or whatever, and it was like, actually, actually he was. Everything we saw to him with Ohio State, he had a celebration with every guy on the team. He was brought in for big money. They had two losses during a regular season, obviously Oregon and Michigan.

They got the flag planted in their face. That team could have turned against him. That team could have completely turned against him and say, it's your fault, dude. Our team was really good. You come in here. We're ass. This is on you because he made a couple of bad plays.

Slides in there. Michigan, we think he potentially got knocked out, but didn't play his best football game there. That team could have killed him. The fans were. That team could have killed. And instead it was the complete opposite through the entire playoff run. And then they went to national championship. It was like, I think I believe in that guy. And he's also gigantic. Huge. And he can move. And I think that's a big deal in the NFL. Also, it's kind of like a thing where you find out about your future if Will does get to start this year. If let's, I mean, people said this about this, this draft class this year. And it turned out it was just Mendoza and Ty Simpson.

But if the draft class turns out to be what it is next year, you kind of want to find out what you have in the building right now, and you're not going to do that with Aaron. Okay, let's pivot away from the NFL and let's go to a massive scandal in college football. This is a big deal for all of sports, certainly collegiate sports, because there's a lot more athletes in that. Gambling, becoming as readily available and prevalent as. as it is to society, has certainly become a little bit of adversity for leagues having to monitor their own players and coaches. Obviously, Pete Rose is who everybody kind of points to in the sports

world whenever you get drafted into a professional team or you're playing college football or college sports of all. We, me, and D Button have had to sit through numerous meetings at every single level saying, don't be Pete Rose, do not gamble, do not put the integrity of the game ever in question. If you do that, it can ruin it for everybody. That is still. very real, but gambling is much easier to do as opposed to the back seedy days that was always happening, but certainly not as easily available. Now, we have a story that is rocking college football. Brendan Sorsby, formerly of the University of Cincinnati, transferred to Texas Tech as the number one quarterback in the transfer portal. The guy was an absolute stud at SINC. Texas Tech has

all stars all across the board. They got a lot of money from, they take shovels out there. And they go down, and then there's this. They literally live on. on top of what provides for them, which is just oil, dire. That's right. They got a lot of oil. They're building a monster down there. They have a monster down there. Obviously, number two overall pick, David Bailey is from Texas Tech.

That's only going to continue with what they were able to do. Brendan Sorsby highly sought after by everybody. Texas Tech wins the battle. They're going to go, now he's in a residential treatment for a gambling addiction. And it has come out that he gambled on games in which he was a part of the team at Indiana, his freshman year, even though he did not play, which was a school he was at before Cincinnati. Then there was a report that there was over. a thousand bets made and then there was some baseball bets allegedly made for like a buck or

250 now we await what is going to happen for all of this we assume massive suspension or penalty to brennan soresby but the man who will know is the man to put out all these tweets ladies and gentlemen joining us now the authority of college sports pete thammle yeah he thank you for joining us every time you join us it's seemingly something super serious that is why we bring you in here you are the man for the job this is a big deal obviously not only for sorsby his family, his trajectory, Texas Tech, but college football as a whole, can you kind of take us where we're at, how they found out, and what's possible with this entire thing? Yeah, Pat, let's start with the macro. I think culturally you touched on it. This is a giant

story. He will become the first face of collegiate gambling. There has obviously been other instances, even some of the college basketball gambling stuff that I came on your show about a little while ago, came out today in terms of prop bets and everything. But he is the first major college athlete to be the centerpiece of this. This is someone who projected as a first round pick in the 27 NFL draft. He's a $5 million plus portal edition. He was number one in Max Wilson's ESPN Porter Ranks this year. Brendan Sorsby is one of the faces of college football. So for him to come out enter a gambling addiction in-house treatment, or residential treatment, I should say, is just certainly like an eye-popping moment for the sport for gambling. And, you know,

you know, the intersection of gambling in sports has never been more together. Like you said, everything's available on your hand and such. So I think what people want to know, Pat, is, you know, will he play college football again? And he, you know, I would say he faces long odds to do that right now. If you dial into what the NCAA has listed in terms of potential punishments for what he's accused of doing, you know, if you bet on your own team, while you are a member of that team, you know, you face a, you face a permanent ban. And so that is, that is sort of the odds that Brendan Sorsby is, uh, is up against.

Is there leniency for him coming out and admitting it? Is there, you know, is there, does there, is there an evolution in thought because of the pervasiness of the gambling? Those are all things that are, they're being bandied or bandied around right now. But by the pure letter of the law, it would be, you know, he faces a long uphill climb in order to play football at Texas Tech next year. And he certainly, uh, doesn't have any other eligibility past that. He's played four, redshirt and then played three.

So this is his final actual year of eligibility. Okay, so thank you for all of that. You use some words in there that are awesome, and I'll try to use them later, Banzy around. Bandy about. Bandy about, yeah, whatever it is in its entirety. So it said it was a gambling app. So that would mean that they can track all of his bets.

The people that will be investigating him at the NCAA will be able to see all of his bets, right? Will we publicly be able to know all of his bets? because obviously we've heard of this freshman bet at IU when he wasn't playing, and he bet on them to win, allegedly, is what it all is. I'm not saying that that means he should be okay because he bet on them to win. We cannot. I've stood pretty firm as somebody who has got into sports gambling as a retired athlete, as somebody that comes from Pittsburgh, as somebody that knows a lot of people that have

my entire life have been doing this, the people playing the sport, and the people covering the sport talking about gambling are two very different things. And the people that are playing the sport know that. and they've been told that their entire life, it's for the good of the entire everything. I mean, you can't have people questioning whether or not a game is rigged or if everybody's trying to work against it. That takes down all the sport.

So I understand people are going to attack us because we obviously promote draft kings at this point, and draft kings is all over our stuff, and we talk about sports gambling. That's because the fans and the people covering it can treat sports gambling a little bit differently than the people that are actually playing it. There's a responsibility.

There is a accountability process of like whenever you're playing the sport, and it sucks that this is, happening during their era, but you are what society is betting on. You cannot be a part of the action until you retire. I think that's understood by all athletes. I think it is. But it is kind of an interesting dilemma to talk about as we are like, and on that note, Texas Tech over under is seven and a half now without Sorsby. They got to, like it's, it's an, because it is so just a part of culture, but we should expect, I think personally, the athletes to stay out of it. Like we have, it has to happen because everything falls if that is the top agree of the game everything falls if the people

watching even the sports books are done they'll stop taking bets on like everything about everything is over so i don't know it's it's tough for me to talk about because i'm so against it but i do gamble on games so as somebody that covers the sports in which we talk about so it's like uh it's an interesting time in our in our society so maybe the rules do evolve a little bit especially if they can see every bet that has been made, you know? Yeah, Pat, I'm sure the NCAA is going to end up with access to what bets are made. I don't think we'll know that. We'll know that publicly.

But one thing, as, you know, the story broke yesterday afternoon and the day went on, I got a ton of calls from college football coaches wanting to know exactly what happened, why it happened, and because they weren't like looking for the tea. What they wanted to do was scare the pants off their team in team meetings day. I guarantee you every team in college football that met today. the first slide that came down on the projector was a picture of Brendan Sorsby and all the assorted headlines from all the different media outlets and clips for what happened. Because this stuff right now, Pat, as you said, is so accessible to everyone.

And, you know, look, there's monitoring, right? Like, if you remember, the baseball scandal that took down the Alabama baseball coach, they knew, like, what cement block he was on, the guy who placed the bets who got the inside information. Like, they could track you, like, to the foot of where you are and where you are. you make these bets. The technology is unbelievable. And you hit the nail on the head, Pat. These are billion dollar, multi-billion-dollar industries. And if the integrity of the game is under question, that is a giant threat to these billion-dollar industries. So there is massive education like you and D. But I'm sure you sat through a ton of those meetings. But there's also everyone's

phone in major college football that I know of, depending on what service they use, is subject to app where they can track what you download and when you do and in pings go back to to that. So clearly Brendan Sorsby had a way around that. You know, if you remember the Iowa, Iowa State scandal, which I'm sure Ty does, it was one of the participants in that had his mom open up the, you know, open up the gambling app for him and he bet through his mom's account. But like the one of the lessons here is those workarounds don't work. Like you will eventually get caught. There's just, there's just too much information that's available right now. So, you know, Brendan Sursa right now, Lunes is a cautionary tale for all of college sports.

Yeah, the trail is always going to lead to you at some point. I mean, it's just kind of how it goes, especially with the geo tagging of where the betting is. I guess last question on this entire thing, and we appreciate you so much for your time. When were these bets being made? Because I saw a number like a thousand plus, and then I saw some baseball stuff being posted. Was there baseball bets? Like, what do we know as of this moment when his most recent bets were? Was there a tie was like, is this happening at 7?

Since he, you know, like what is the most recent bet? So my understanding of the betting timeline is that it started when he arrived at Indiana in 2020 and went through his time at Cincinnati. I don't know, Pat, if he had bet at all since he arrived at Texas Tech. That information hasn't been available to me. But the sheer vastness of this is something that's something that's really significant, right? Like, you have thousands of bets. Now, he wasn't betting, you know, thousands of dollars a game.

This was, you know, balls and strikes, small stuff. The kind of things, quite frankly, kids his age do. Like, when I walk through the crowd in game day to go do one of my injury hits, people just scream like a random tailback. What do you think? Plus minus 78 yards today. Like, that is how that age and that generation consume sports. They don't consume it through the, hey, is West Virginia, just to use your example,

going to win today. They view it through their own personal prism of, I have a bet on this prop, on this guy, on this team. How will that, you know, how will that unfold? As somebody who played a lot of cards, poker, a pretty big part of my story, somebody that played blackjack, you know, pretty big, high limits throughout most of my NFL career, and they would get mad about us either accepting free drinks at casinos, but they could have scratch-offs.

It's like the constant debate on what you're allowed to gamble on, what you're not allowed to gamble on, where you're allowed to gamble, how you're allowed to gamble, has always been happening in sports, at least in the NFL. Now in college, it's like if we know that this guy's betting on balls and strikes, it's like that's not a big deal, right? No, not at all. That can't be a big deal. But if he's betting on football, on his team, it's like that, I think, is probably the one.

And now it's already out there they bet on Indiana as a freshman. It's like he wasn't playing, though. So now the conversation is. Still, though, if you're in that building. I agree. Especially in college, we don't have to put all the injury information like you doing the NFL so you're privy to so much. If he's making bets while he's the starting quarterback at Cincinnati in any capacity, like he's dead to rights. There's just, there's no, there's no wiggle

room there, I don't think. All right, Pete, keep us updated, will you please? Thanks, Pat. Cheers, guys. Hey, if you talk to Cody Campbell down there at Texas Texans, this is all happened? What happens with that? Legit. Yeah, is there like some type of breach of fire track? I would assume so. And who replaces those sports be there in Texas Tech? Well, the contractual piece, depending on how this unfolds, be a fascinating one. And there's no answers to that 24 hours out here, Debutt, but it is a compelling question. We haven't ever seen anything quite like this. The backup at Texas Tech is a young man named Will Hammond. If you remember Texas Tech's win at Utah this year,

Will Hammond subbed in for Baron Morton. Baron Morton was obviously dealing with those leg issues all year. And Will Hammond balled out that day. I think he was 13 and 16 passing two touchdowns. He's dual thread. He ran for 60-something yards. He was a weapon that day. And as you would like to say, Pat. And they really thought of him as the future of Texas Tech football. He tore his ACL midway through last year, I believe, in October. So his projected timeline, according to Joey McGuire, to return, the best case scenario McGuire said this spring is week three of next year.

Texas Tech has an FCS game to open. They go to Oregon State, and then week three, they play Houston on a Friday night. Now, again, those timelines can change, be sped up, except. but Will Hammond is likely the future of Texas Tech if Soresby isn't available. They did bring in a veteran from Tulsa named Kirk Francis who started a bunch of games in his career. He's kind of your classic modern third-string quarterback who's been around a little bit, played a little bit, and could certainly function in those early games. What they can't do is go get another Division I quarterback right now.

There's no Spring Portal and the NCAA has eliminated ghost transfers, which is a favorite term of all of ours, meaning they can't induce some guy to like de-enroll and then re-enroll outside of the portal as it happened a little bit in the in the past. But a really good quarterback can see what's going on down there and potentially understand. Right? That's a possibility. No, you can't do that anymore. Okay. I like to hear that. College football is kind of getting maybe back on tracks a little bit, maybe a little bit of some guardrails so everybody can thrive.

What we know is can't be gambling on games. We shall see what takes place with Brendan's. Sorsby, we appreciate your ladies, gentlemen. That's Pete Thammle. That's crazy. Terrible. If the spring portal still existed, there'd be a... So he said that, like a good QB at some school, can't you say, I'm dropping out here. And then publicly announcing saying, I don't go to school at this place anymore, and then maybe even at Cody Campbell.

I saw that if that happens with the new rules, Joey McGuire would be suspended for half of this football season. So the head coach would be spent it for half the season, and there were some other stuff. It's crazy what's going on there. All I know is we need the game. Yeah. The game has to remain the game. And to Sorsby, obviously, this sucks that this is all happening. But he had to have sat through at least 10 different conversations about not happening, you know?

Yeah. And it is a time where sports gambling is very prevalent. Not that it wasn't before, you know, depending on where you're from. You know, the spread and where money was and everything was always a part of sports. sports conversations. I mean, I don't want to continue to harp on this, but like, a lot of Italians. I grew up around a lot of Italians.

You could say it louder. Go ahead. I grew up around all the Italians, okay? I think we realize that every time we go back to Pittsburgh, when another Italian shows up. We run a great book. Why are you saying that like it's a bad thing? Yeah, that's what I'm talking. Not a bad.

Well, I'm saying it because I don't want you guys to think that I'm saying it as a bad thing. Remember I, which who knows where that went now, hindsight. We take a lot. We know. hindsight, 23 and me, I don't know where they're. I know that all right, but on that, no, 0.01% of Italian. I know. So I don't like the way I was talking about me as a child either, okay, what I was saying to you guys. But I grew up around like all Italians.

That entire culture, sports conversation is your talk. That is just what it is, you know? Now that it's legalized and very prevalent and very available, it is certainly scary. The NBA's had some stuff. The NFL is the NFL? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, guys getting kicked off.

Oh, yeah. It's been a little bit. It's been a little bit. but certainly had happened here. College football now, college hoops. It's like everywhere. Baseball had the guys too. But we got to make sure everybody knows it's not the majority.

No. And it never will be. But on that note, we can't have it. Every time it pops up, it's like, oh, what's real, what's not real? Can't have anybody thinking that because sports are the greatest thing on earth and everybody comes together thinking what's happening out there is actually happening out there. And that has to maintain forever for the good of everything.

Yeah. And to what Pete was saying, too, like the location services on every single app, They really do know exactly where you're on. If you're on the sidewalk, they know what foot of the sidewalk you're actually on. And they even reopen them. We saw it with Terry Rozier this morning. That came through the wire. They're going back into that entire thing.

Yeah, so we're in a generation right now of turnover. It's a tough spot. Transition turnover right now. It's tough. Yeah. Very, very tough. And we are tease and peas. Everybody to not do it.

And also know you're going to be so much better at gambling when you're done. When you're retired, you're going to be so much better at gambling. Okay. We just got to make sure it's there whenever you're done. So let's go ahead and walk in and let's do the sports. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who, uh, he's not scared to do a little gambling himself, huh? I know he's not.

He'll send some picks to get some guys. He'll make some trades. He'll certainly make some moves that'll raise some eyebrows. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion stud. General manager of the Los Angeles Rams, Lesney. Yeah, Lillis. How you doing, Lexington? How's it going, guys?

You do, you and I, we have a similar look. Do we not? That's what I just realized here. Yeah. You know, I was, I was looking at my hair thinking it was not good enough to go on your show. But, you know, that's, you know, we're in black. You know what I mean? So, all right, we can maybe be cousins. Kind of basic white looking, you know, we got the blockheads.

The hair very similar. I want to let you know, I look at the shit you're doing how you're designing your hair for inspo for me. So just know that that's happening on a daily basis. So whenever you mail it in, when you mail it in, you're screwing me. Okay, so let's remember that whenever you decide not to do your hair. You look fantastic, fresh out of the draft. Let's talk about the big news. Ty Simpson at 13.

Congratulations. Congratulations, Ty Simpson at 13. Okay, so Ty comes out afterwards and says he hasn't met Coach McVeigh. Coach McVeigh comes out and says, like, hey, me and Lesseley love each other. The reason why I was acting the way I was acting is because I want Matthew Stafford to know that this is his team. He plays as long as he wants to play. And then Ty Simpson talks to Fitz, who we love on Amber and Ian, and tells him I had conversations for hours and hours with McVeigh about Ball. Can you just tell me how we got here, why we got here?

And is it Ty Simpson or is it Lys Simpson? Less need. Here's what I do. If you've met Ty, I think you know, lying's probably not in his DNA. Okay. I'll get to the meeting gate first. and then we'll go from there. Here's probably where it all starts,

and we'll get into the boring weeds of the NFL. There's top 30s. Let's start with the combine. At the combine, you can interview 45 people, let's call it officially under for 18 to 20 minutes. There's some other, let's call it, I forget what they're called now where you can interview people in other sense settings.

But let's get the post-combine. Such a thing as top 30s, right? What are top 30s? You can bring your place. players right into your basically to your facility, bring them to your city. What happens there is there is a lot of logistics that go with top 30s. A lot of times players are doing multiple. You're working with other teams to sometimes get a player from their facility to

years at a certain time. At the end of the day, these things become more public. And also, you could get into some of the things. When you're flying back and forth as a player to all these cities, and time zones, and then there's a draft, and then a couple weeks later, there's OTAs. You can get into some self-tissues issues. So here's what I'm saying. Here's what we do.

We don't, historically, we do not do top 30s here at the Rams, right? And the main reason is this is, hey, a lot of times when those meetings become public, let's call it a team that's behind you, let's say they're interested in that player somewhere along the way in the draft. Things like that. They could easily, you never know who's larking from behind. So let's say you're picking 55,

whatever it is, and all of a sudden someone moves the 64 because they think you might pick that player. At that point, there's nothing you can do. You can just sit, wait, see what they do, and if they pick the player, you won't. So there's a little strategy there. Our last top 30,

2000, 23, Kobe Turner. So, and the reason we did, Kobe is he wasn't invited to Indy. Indies where a lot of the medical, it's called physicals occur. And a lot of times if you're planning on drafting a player, you'd like to bring him to your city, let him go through a physical with your medical team.

So really, 2020 is our last top 30. So last year, what we like to do is go meet the player right on their campus. And I would call in this draft cycle, we did 66 private meetings with play. players. In let's call it 2025 draft cycle, we did 61 private meetings with players. That's not Sean and I all the time. We're not going to go see 66. So it's different people in our building going to connect with these players. We usually don't work them out, Pat. We're, hey, they play football. We've seen them practice. We've seen them play games. A lot of times

they've done the combine. A lot of times they've done their probate day. Some teams will go to these places and work them out and meet. We usually like to get them, meet the kid. Also do this. You know how important it is with installations, whether you play offensive defense, install some of our scheme, right? Allow those players to spit it back to us,

see how they're processing football, see how they're relating what they've done in the past to ours, how fast it might take them to get up to speed and help the Rams. And also, we'll also talk ball with them about what they've been doing. So at the end of the day, here's where it went awry. We do like to emphasize, Pat, hey, look, try to keep these private meetings between us, right? For that gamesmanship. Just, you know, we like for other teams not to know we're interested, right?

So we do emphasize that a little stronger than much, how to keep it between us. You know, so if you go to another team and they ask, a lot of times teams will ask, where have you visited? I know this. A lot of teams will keep up who's, hey, where's players been on top 30s? Where they've, you know, who was at the pro day, right? You're trying to, at the end of the day, figure out who may take a player or who may not. So we emphasize, keep it quiet. Filt really bad for Ty.

He stayed on script. Oh, yeah. He stayed on script. He sold it. He sold it after the draft, biggest night of his life. He's talking to you guys on the phone, still selling it. Like in his mind, can't tell anybody. Goes on stage, can't tell anybody.

He goes and does the interview post. I've never met Coach McVey In his mind, though, he knows that what you guys did in one of your 66 meeting, that's insanity, by the way, that's incredible due diligence on everybody flying to them to go see how they operate in their world. He said it went great.

Were you in that meeting for multiple hours? I was in that meeting with him and him and Sean, for sure. Okay, so. At a high level. They were above my, you know what, I was, I was planning my next haircut appointment, Pat. Smart. They were about three levels ahead of me.

I understand. That's why you hire Sean McVeigh to be the head coach and offense coordinator. I think that's why we were so confused whenever it came out like Sean McVe was not a part of the process because that's what it sounded like whenever Ty Simpson says that he never met Sean McVey. It's like, well, that's your head coach and offense coordinator and you're drafting a quarterback at 13. Here's what I do.

I think y'all all know Sean. There's, you know, there's no way he would pick a QB without meeting him. That's what we do. I think that's probably common sense, and I understand kind of why it got convoluted. Hey, Ty stayed on script. We were really trying to keep it from other teams.

So when we were able to connect with him when he came out, because he visited us the next day, and we were able to say, yes, you can let everyone know that you visited with, and so here we are. I like you. Let's, hey, who's your graphics guy?

This is not Lye Simpson. Okay. That's Coole of Ty Simpson. He's staying on script. Poor guy. You know what? He's so earnest. That's what he's doing.

Let's put a line through Lai Simpson. I need to see a graphics guy at work. I want to process and speak. It's a Rams fan. It'll cook right now. It'll cook right now. It's a Rams fan to make that graphic. It was against his, you know,

it was against his better judgment. He did not want to do it. We knew there had to be some sort of story. Now, have you, have you ever seen a player even after the draft continue the gimmick? because and how do you feel immediately upon watching him continue the gimmick? Do you think, wow, this guy is all in?

Yeah. And for Ty Simpson, he's basically saying, these guys have never lied to be. There's no reason for me to, because I'm sure there's been people that have been told, like the Dallas Cowboys told me they were going to draft me. Okay, Dallas Cowboys told me they were going to draft me. You know, kind of kid, they told you were going to draft you. Okay, so then it happens. So I have trust issues.

I've trust issues with NFL teams from that moment there. I assume there's a chance that Ty, obviously, there's a relationship between, I believe you, his dad, I think, that that was obviously getting called into it all. Right. He had good faith to trust you to not tell anybody. And then when you draft him, he's like, I'm not, I'm not ruining this at all. I'm excited about it.

How did you feel whenever he continued to lie immediately afterwards? And what do you- Here's what happens. After you make the call, there's a lot going on. It's not like we're now following what Ty Simpson is saying in interviews. And historically here, Pat, we haven't had a pick right. It's been a long time since we picked as early as 13. So a lot of times players we pick late first or we've traded that pick or we've traded out of the first into the second.

Those players aren't at the draft, right? They're not in Pittsburgh. They're not going through this, let's call it media gauntlet per se. So it wasn't really until maybe it was that night or even the next morning that you realize, wow, Ty did say he hadn't met with us. So we wanted to make sure we connected with him and let him. Hey, you can tell people you met with us. The media is not the teams that we're competing with.

That's awesome. I love that he just continued it, you know? So happy. Deep down in his heart, too, he's just like, I don't know if he's enjoying it. Like, oh, he'll never know in this entire thing. And then him having to come clean. Obviously, an interesting start. Another reason why it's an interesting start is because MVP, literally, quarterback.

And we had seen this before just a couple years back in Green Bay. Different situation, but similar certainly. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Les, how did the conversation go with Matt Stafford? Obviously, he is kind of the consummate professional. And he understands that this is proven to work for teams, especially in the long haul. But what was that kind of back and forth like?

And when did you actually let him know, like, hey, this is definitely happening. We're taking Ty Simpson. You know, I know Sean sat down with Matthew. and Sean was the one that was communicating what our plans were. If Ty were to fall to 13, by the time we chatted with Matthew, there was a, if you want to call it good guesstimate, that Ty would have a chance to fall to 13. I think at the end of the day, Matthew's a very, very smart player.

He comprehends right what the plan is. He understands it. He's a professional. That's what he does. And at the end of the day, he's the reigning MVP. we were able to articulate this too along the way. And this whole plan really, let's call it, it evolves organically going back to when the season ended,

when we were able to lick our wounds, right, recover from the loss, go through the grieving process that you do have when you get right to the final four and you don't make it to the final two and all of that. Once we're able to get back in the building and begin the blueprint and Matthew was to say, you know what, I want to come back, you know, that's, hey, that's step number one. This is awesome. We're going to continue chasing special moments with Matthew and write his teammates, our core. But one of our, one of our top priorities was let's recharge that corner room. Well, we had two picks in this draft. Pick 13 was a bonus pick. It was from, from Atlanta. So as we go through this process, there's a group of us to get together every morning. And we spend probably two, two and a half, three hours with Sean every morning, starting right. there at the end of February, probably all the way through draft day. And we're going to begin the blueprint of free agency, who we were signed back, all that that leads into the draft

lands. Well, what we determine is this. Okay, with the 29, it's probably better, is the corners we like in this draft will probably go before 13. So let's say it's, you know, let's say it's the kid who, from LSU, who, I didn't forget where he went, Kansas City traded up with him. Let's say that was our guy. We wanted to recharge. We had a good guess that we weren't going to be able to solidify that corner room with even the 13th pick. So, okay, let's pivot. Let's use 29 trade for McDuffie.

Here's what doing the QB this year does for us, right? There's an element that we are able to get a possible successor, come in and, hey, earn equity via backup. But what it does in the future is this, is hopefully we're picking late. Let's call it that. Let's call it 27 draft, 28 draft. But when you have a QB that, right, is in the twilight of his career, a lot of times you want to save some of those early picks, right, to ensure just in case Matthew decides, I've had enough.

It's coming soon. Hey, it's his timeline. He's the MVP. If he wins two more MVP for three straight, we'll take it, right? Take that out of it. I know Matthew will do this. Matthew would say he probably rather win championships than MVP. But at the end of the day, when you're not sure when he might say it's over,

you like to ensure some of those other picks in case you need to react versus proacting for the next QB. We can now maybe use those picks, right, to add different players to chase special with Matthew, whether it's through the draft or doing what we did with Trent McNuffey and adding a veteran. Thank you for explaining your entire process there, genuinely. That was a really cool ride to kind of go alongside of you there. And I do appreciate the fact after it all, Sean McVeigh had to hit you on the shoulder publicly and say, this is my guy right here.

And you just said, yeah, every morning we are together through this entire process. I appreciated that Ty Simpson continue to sell the gimmick afterwards that they met. And I also appreciate the fact that you did the math on how many corners you think will be around. We need to fix this problem. Let's go ahead and send 29 out of here to get a playmaker. DeBut has a question for you, Les. That's what we do.

That's why we get up on doing. Absolutely. He brought Watson in as well. I'll sign him from the Chiefs. as well. But Trent McDuffie specifically, not only did you trade for him, but you made him the highest paid corner in the National Football League. I know as a viewer, I was watching your defense last year. No, you don't pressure a lot. You play a lot of zone coverage. I wanted, hey, can we just get a little more sticky, especially down the stretch in coverage? So what was your

exact thoughts when it came to trade for Trent and then making him the highest paid corner in the league? Well, I think if you, I think Trent's one of those players that probably gets sticky, but he also probably has the right, the instincts, the football, instincts, we call it to play off, to play vision, right, know when the break, when not the break, but he also can play sticky. There's those moments, too, where in certain situations, you can move him into what we call the star and allow him to play some of those hard downs on some of those players, depending on the player, the scheme, all those things, even blitz him a little bit. And I think you mentioned Jalen, and I appreciate you doing that, forgot it because he was a big part

of the plan of basically bringing in. I could tell you about that, seeing Brett Veach and Big Red at the owner's meeting, and it's like you kind of feel guilty. You took their defensive backfield. It's that awkward moment. But point being is on that, hey, if you've met Jalen, it's almost like he's a defense. I mean, he's like he's a defensive end. He's a big, big, a long player.

So if you're building a basketball team, you have Trent McDuffie, stop, start can get sticky. But Big Jalen can match up with some of the bigger rod receivers too, and then we fill in from there. Okay, I love the mindset behind all of it. McDuffie's a stud. Congrats to him, getting out to L.A. and getting paid. Speaking of getting out to L.A. and having a time of his life, go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Les, I'd say it was a rousing success bringing Devante Adams.

You know, it seemed like every time he turned on the game, he's scoring multiple touchdowns. But there were a couple of reports that came out this off season that said you guys were, I don't know if shopping's the right word, but maybe looking at, you know, trading him away. And then, you know, there are also reports that you guys checked in on AJ Brown when, you know, it came out that he's kind of discouraged with his situation in Philly. So I guess my question would be is pretty much everyone, you know, within a vacuum, I guess,

tradable? Like, could anyone be traded at any time? And also what kind of gave you the conviction to say, hey, we don't necessarily need to go and get like a Mackay Lemon in the draft or someone like that? We're kind of good with who we have in that room. and the weapons as a whole with Matt Stafford, and we're ready to just kind of run it back next year. Yeah, I think going back to the first one,

there's probably different levels than the spectrum of, is everyone available or not, right? That's obvious on a team. I think here's the, let's call it the backstory, the nuance of Devante is a lot of times when you, especially that time of year, it's the off season, you're having these discussions, right, with different teams and their trade proposals,

and you may they may send you a player and they may want a player back but once that gets into the let's call it the media into the insiders it starts percolating on what I like to call it a metaverse

the internet whether it's X whether it's Instagram wherever all the platforms that you have I think what Sean likes to do then is he immediately will call the player right and try to explain hey smart yes you're name did come up, we didn't do it, right? But that's how once it, hey, if it didn't get out,

maybe some things are better left unsaid because nothing happened. But those conversations happen a lot of time. But in this world, right, in this content driven where you know what Patrick, everyone on this show knows, you got to wake up and provide, right, your view or something interesting tomorrow. That's not easy. So, hey, when things start percolating, I know Sean likes to nip it in the bud, have an honest conversation with everybody involved and let them know kind of what went down and why. We like to do the same thing. That's why we have so much respect for you guys. That's why we called you to find out if it's Ty Simpson or no or no lie. It's just Ty Simpson. So thank you for joining. See? I like it. Graphics. Who's graphics? Let's give a

shout out to the graphics team. Add to baby, Dirty. Hey! Hey, Darnie! Whose house? He was in... Let's go. I don't know where he was. Crow's Nest.

Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you, Les. Thank you for joining us, clearing the air, and allowing us in on your process. You are obviously massively successful, so anytime we get to do that, we're appreciative. I appreciate you all having me.

You're the man, ladies a gentleman. Lesney. Yeah, Lesney. I got a couple of texts from some people. Take the lie, Simpson, off the screen. He's the nicest guy of all times. What's good journalist?

We did. Dan O text? No. Good call. Didn't even ask about Dano. Get him back on here. All right, we're back on the other side. Be your friend, telephone, something nice.

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We are the greatest, and we get a chance to chat about it every single day. It's not just me, the toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. How's Boston doing, Comman? Oh, fantastic. You know, we've got a big game five to nine for the night. the Boston Bruins in Buffalo. I think we'll see how that goes, but the Boston Celtics also played. And that's the one that matters.

We got six games tonight, obviously three from the NBA, three from the NHL. Boston's got two of them happening. Good for you guys up there. It's a big time right now. And it's tough, too. Like, I would love to wallow in my sorrow with all the bad things going on and the Boston Bruins being down 3-1. But I can't. The Celtics need me.

You know, just as bad as I want to be able to kind of take that in. I got to turn my attention to Missoula and those boys. 11.5 point favorites, they'll be fine. It doesn't matter. See, that's the thing with a city that has just a couple sports teams. Maybe it would be, hey, that team is fine. No, they need it all. Every single night, every

single time. Everybody needs to be focusing their attention 100% on the thing that they're supposed to be focusing on. Exactly. Well, but that's the thing. How can you focus it 100% on when you have three different things? I mean, don't don't get me started on the boss of Red Sox. Hold on don't get me started on the Boston Red Sox. You guys already fired a coach up. Yeah, and guess what?

with like 3 and 0 since. I don't know. Maybe John Henry's up to something and we don't know what's going on. But that's the regular season. You know what I mean? That is something that's like, hey, I want them to do well. But right now, I got the Bruins in the Celtics. And of course, the Patriots, I mean, we are still all

going forward as a team. Somebody hopped out. Are you saying you have side things? No, no. We don't have side things, Tony. We got four main things. But right now, two of those things aren't in the postseason. The most important time of sports. Okay, it's tough time for you Boston fans.

We really feel bad. Come on, B's, come on, C's. We need you, boys. Yeah, obviously for the whole city. One half of the hammer. Down. Cowboys AP Tonus here looking great. Nine-year NFL vet.

Darius J. Butler. Super cool. You see the way he tied the thing. Yeah, the drawstring up top? It came like. Unbelievable. That's swag. That's like when the shoes come tied in a certain way.

I'm always like, oh, if I mess this up at all. Thank you. What's the Scobber Flat? New Balance. They're nice, aren't that? Those are our Coops. Yeah, they're not a Cooper Fried for a year. I told you, those are not Cooper Flagg shoes.

He has other new balances. This particular pair of new balances, though, has kind of, it's kind of fucked me up a little bit. I'm going to be honest. I don't dabble outside of a couple shoes off. Sure. You know, I'll wear Jordans, for sure. I'll wear Air Force ones, and I'll wear the Adidas Superstores. Okay.

I like the shell tops, like, how you doing, keep it moving? Those are basically where you'll find me. New Balance, I decided long ago. can't let my feet, which have done a lot for me, be seen in those. Okay, I just decided that. Okay. These eyes can't look down and just be like, I'm sorry, boys. You know, because these feet have done a lot for me.

Sure. So I just could never do it. New Balance sent the right ones this way. Those things look cool. Oh, yeah. Very cool. They look like they're actually not like a throw-together shoe brand, which some of these shoe brands look like,

whatever they're new because they're trying to figure out what their molds are and their customs are, and they're trying to figure it all out. We watch shoe companies go through it. They're like, we're the next shoe. And it's like, you're at stage one of the shoe. We know that. We've seen that before with everybody else.

Thought New Balance was going to forever live in that perpetual ass-looking shoe. Okay, like that's what from my standpoint of what shoes. There's other people that enjoy the look of shoes. I'm just saying from my perspective, never wearing them on my feet, these ones are the ones. These ones are really nice. I like it. I wear the same shoe 95% of the time.

So anything that jumps up in the, foot algo is good. Yeah, and this is a free ad here. Yeah. Yeah. New Balance has sent us some good shoes here. They get one for you. I don't know.

I think I'm going to be wearing them. Yeah. They're very comfortable. I mean, you hit the nail on the head. That's how it was for the longest time. And then you bring in guys like Cooper Flagg and Shohei, and they look at the shoes. And it's like, I'm not wearing that bullshit. So you guys are going to have to do something else.

And then they do, and boom, that's the product. That is why a partnership with an athlete is such a big deal. Yeah. Because the athlete will actually say. a good leader of an athlete. You know, somebody that has ideas and opinions and things like that. That's why the Jordan brand.

You know, I obviously know there was other people that were involved in his designing, but he had to, let me see those ones, let me see these ones, like as you build the brand, I think the athlete being there's a big deal. Cooper flag, congrats, right?

Yeah, rookie at the year. Which we didn't know was going to happen or not because Con Cinnippa with the Charlotte Hornets. Obviously, they make it into a play-in series where the Dallas Mavericks were absolutely ass. So we thought that would potentially,

get held against them. Instead, Cooper Flag wearing new balances. I will say, I'll wear these ones more than I'll wear the Cooper Flag ones. The black ones stink, too. What? These ones? They're the same one. No. They're the same. No, they stink. Whenever you got all

black shoes, it's kind of tough. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it reminds you of certain... Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're looking at them, you're like, oh, well, are those like sweet J's or something? And you flip them on the side, and you see, like, the green end on there, and it's like, what is this? I'm not... get away but those are sweet where do you where do you see those normally at you know i'm just reminds me of i'm wear out though any jobs or career if people are working we appreciate

it hell yeah if people are working oh yeah appreciate it whatever you got to do to do what you do we respect and appreciate that but you you made a valid point about it did feel like maybe you walk into like a wendy's or something where that is the fit you know in the new balances yeah because i have black pants on. I wear black pants normally. And then I had those on. Diva looked at me immediately, so I just saw you working at Wendy's. What? And it was, it was phenomenal. And I looked down on the, you guys. Slip these on. Joining us out, ladies and gentlemen is a man who is a college football national

champion, Super Bowl champion, Roder Cup winner. Would certainly wear these. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. He wears boots, shoes. Yes, that's. And he would wear these. Ladies of gentlemen, AJ Haw. Hey, the boot shoes you were wearing for the draft were your nicest yet, I think, personally. Was that a new brand? No, it's a classic Amazon brand, whatever it may be. I'm a big high top guy, so I don't know who made it cool to wear like the geriatric

grandpa shoes, but it's a thing now with young kids, obviously, like the white, scrubby grandpa-looking running shoes with jeans. Like, that's kind of a thing now. The monarchs are always going to be in. Yes. But they wear them non-sarkastically. Like my daughter got to be. wear these Nike's. I'm like, yeah, these are like the geriatric things that you guys think are cool now.

She's like, no, they are cool. And I guess they are. Like back in the day, it's the shoes like we would have made fun of my dad and his friends were wearing. Yeah, but remember cyclical, everything. Everything's cyclical. The pants, you know, seems as if the AJ Hawk suit is just about two years out. Yeah. From the way that we're heading that you wore, you know, because everything went the opposite direction. And then now it's going back that way. I feel like there was a time where the modern fashion, I could not any of it. I feel like it's gone to a place where some of it is okay. You know, it feels like we've gotten to a place where some of it's okay. I think Abercrombie and Fitch was really the first eye opener about all the way back. Yeah, they are like a...

They changed their thing a bit, too. I like the baggy jeans look, because the skinny jeans look was tough, and we did that. It's like, I could definitely do the baggy jeans. Well, the reason why he hated the skinny jeans you see is because he had tiny little bird legs. That's part of it. So, you know, when you do skinny jeans on bird legs, he actually looks like a little ostrich. And that's what Foxy... That was what Foxy had to go through.

We don't think about that, especially me, because my hind end in cores is big. So, like, the tighter jeans there is scary, but the thicker jeans even worse for me. I mean, I look like a librarian. You wouldn't throw on some Jankos right now? I just can't never, no, I just can't really. Too far. I mean, like, boot cut is one thing, but the super, like, jinko-looking things, those are what's crazy. Yeah, I appreciate it just, like, the fact that the skaters wore them and they looked cool.

Yeah. But I just couldn't really get down with a lot of it. I do appreciate, though, the people that are at the forefront of like, hey, we're changing how everybody's going to look. We're going to dress like assholes. Everybody's going to call us an asshole. And then inevitably, we're going to become the fashion because that happens. Oh, yeah, basically what fashion is. Yeah, in Europe, I think, right?

You know where a lot of the asshole dressing kind of starts. And then it kind of oozes across the Atlantic. Oh, I'm ahead of the time. Oh, I'm ahead of the time. You guys are too dumb to understand. I'm like 12 months ahead of you. That's what they think. Exactly.

Now, granted, are we those people now? I see a lot of people dressing like Connor out there. Yeah. Everybody just kind of bumps. Nope. I didn't mean that. No, no, no. I understand what you mean,

but people don't understand is that I don't even look at what I put on. So if there is some sort of like, like thought process or fashion to that. I think they look good. I think you have found a good Connor at this point. Sure. I'm more of a, hey, I don't care. I kind of miss the Safari. You remember when caught up with a new animal every day? I still got it.

Yeah, yeah. I still have it. It's just one of those things for her. You know, I'm not looking, okay? Oh, pants? Just let me, okay, perfect. I know I have to wear pants today. So let me get those pants.

Shirt, I know I have to wear a shirt. I'll wear that. Yeah, but that's fashion, I think, what you're doing. Maybe, yeah. And then you got the haliburgers on? Well, yeah, the Tyrese's still play. I mean, they always were no matter what. I think these were, after his favorite Tabasco sauce or something, the hibiscus is.

But I still love the Scooby-Doo's as well. I mean, Tyrese's shoes. I will say in comparison to others. I do believe it's very strictly similar to my fashion style. I need shoes, okay? No. And you're supporting a friend of program. He has to text me back in about three years.

But yeah, friend and friend of pro for sure. I don't love that. Yeah, it might be his battling. Join us now as a man that might have more answers, especially out of the NBA world. He played 13 years. That's solo. Long.

So long. Think about all the flights. Cool. The shuffling in the hotels. Starting and stopping the jump, like every single night starting stopping, trying to stop these guys, trying to dunk. What's that one drill? Mike. So many of the whole.

He did. He was probably doing the mic in from three. Yeah. I'm assuming he had to do this. Definitely did the mic as well. And then the Steve Nash thing, so many of those. So ladies of gentlemen, joining us now, one half of the Knuckleheads podcast, ESPN, NBA, analyst. Friend of the program, QRidge.

Yeah, QRitch. So many drills. What's up, fellas. What's up? Thank you so much for joining. You like the mic and drill? You like the mic and drill? I'll tell you what. I forget how it came up in conversation. There was one basketball player who was really good that just couldn't put the close ones in. And then, because I didn't do the basketball, I don't really know the drills.

So I was taught the name of it. I think it's a hilarious name. So it's basically all I got. You know, like I run into a group of people from Mexico. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, muchos, grasias.

And I'm going to say, Uno, Cervaisa, por favor. And then that's all I got. For the basketball drills, all I got is the, the mic can drill.

That's all I got. And then we're weaving, too. We're doing a weave out there. That's all I got. But I thought you was in the bopping the wood. More than you can imagine,

brother. Yeah, I'm bopping. Duke's Wood right now. You know what I mean? Okay, okay. You see that? That's a real piece of the Duke floor. I think I saw Coach K to give you that. That's dope. That's pretty dope. Thank you. We're bopping wood right now. Let's talk NBA playoff wood bopping, shall we? Whenever you think about Joker and you think about who he is as a person, when he got in that fight with Jaden at the end of that, we knew for sure he was going to come out next game and dominate and how do we feel

about what's going on in that heated rivalry, it appears? I like it, man. Me personally, I like Joker's response because, like, for me, I played in the league 13 years and that. And once I became aware of the whole unwritten rule and the unspoken rule that you don't score, I mean, I never, you know, I never did that I never crossed the line. But I understand this right here. These are two teams that don't like each other. Jay McDaniel has been public about his dislike and said it in such words after games,

doing interviews and things like that. This was the part for me. because when you run up like that, hey, you know, like, Jadenny's not wrong. Like, by the time he get there, Jane Daniels, set up and got one off on him, because you're running from pretty far away,

and you are a massive freaking dude. So I was surprised. I was glad that nothing further happened, but, like, for those reasons right there, that's why I never really subscribed to that. I wasn't going to run up and try and rough somebody up over that rule. Like, I feel like I should have did that during the game. And that's why I say I like the response of Joker coming out

and dominating the next. game because if you did that and you don't come out and dominate, what you even do that for? Yeah, and I think Joker, I mean, we know he loves horses, okay? We know he loves horses. We know he's not a big talker. We know his two brothers are just absolute monsters behemoths. We know he's incredibly talented. But I do think he's a bit petty. Like, I do think he does have a little bit of that. So are we talking about a team that can maybe go on a run here? Can the nuggets do anything in the West or is this 100% the Oklahoma City world? there's some stats coming out about SGAQ that are outrageous.

And Eamon yesterday basically brought up, he said, what's happening at the end of games for SGA needs to be studied. It is outrageous what he's doing. And then stats came out. Yeah. He's missed four shots in the fourth quarter or overtime since March 17th, which is just an absurd thing to think about. This guy special, huh, Q, Rich?

Is that how we should view it? And the rest of the team plays perfectly alongside of them? Or how do you describe it? 100%? 100%. That's why when you asked me who was MVP, I said it's this guy. This guy's been, it's been going for two to three years. Now, you heard Devin Booker last

night, you know, a superstar in his own right give SGA credit. So he's been dominating the league for the last two years. And it's facts. See, this is, this is SGA's time. When you, when you culminate and you're doing things the way he's doing it and these stats are coming out, like, man, this stuff ain't fake and this is not something

that's easy to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's doing it efficiently. doing it at the highest level. He is the man right now. What they say, he is him right now. That's SGA. He got it right now. Okay. I love to hear that Oklahoma City, and is Caruso,

is Caruso just going to win forever now? Possibly. Tell me about the rest of the roster over there. Check, tell me about it. You got, you got, you got to love Alice Caruso. He's definitely a winner. But like you said, they got, they got a deep roster, dude. They got, like you say, Chad, Home Grant Hardinstein,

Kaysen Wallace is a straight daughter. Do you all see how he guards up the court and gives guys hell 90, 94 feet? He's tough. Then they come off the bench with Isaiah, Joe. They got a lot of players. And we're not even talking about Jalen Williams who's hurt. And then he got the other big guy, Jalen Williams, who does play. Lou Dort like is a look.

He's a brick, you know what house. Like that dude is a, he is the unit. He is huge. Pause that. But he's a big dude out there on the court. What else are you talking about? Pausing. I think, I think D.B.

Just, you know, kind of echoed my sentiments. He knew what I. He knew the language I was thinking. Oh, I heard you say pause. I thought you were talking about a different type of house over there with Lou Dorcher. Now, he was a problem for us. They're saying he's a problem for everybody. Hardenstein, nobody talks about till the playoffs.

That guy's a menace. Yes, he is. Hardenstein's a men. Chad Holmgren, same thing. SGA never misses, actually, statistically. Okay. Remember, we were talking about this last year during the playoff run. Does this guy ever miss?

I actually asked that quite. Him and Jalen Brunson kind of had the same thing, which I'm assuming somebody's going to mention to you or ask about you here in a matter of moments. But that Oklahoma City team special, special, special in the West. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, the Oklahoma City team, obviously, everyone kind of crowns them champs already,

but what about the Spurs? Are they going to be able to close out the Trailblazers tonight? They're up 3-1, Wembe's back from missing that game with the concussion. Do you see tonight being the night that they closed this thing out and then continue their run? Yeah, I think so. I think so. and Trailblazers is just, you know, they're not a good enough team to beat, you know, to beat the Spurs.

The Spurs have the dominant roster they guys do. Is anybody good enough, Curit, sorry. Is anybody good enough to beat the Spurs? Or to be, I mean, right now, we know, I'll still say, okay, C is that, they lead the way they're my favorites to come out of the West. But I think if anybody scares them, I definitely think that San Antonio makes them blink, because the way they did them in the season, they went four and one against them in a season. And it was pretty dominant. And so I think, you know, SGA even spoke on it. Like, yeah, like, it's hard to think you got anybody's card

if they beat you this many times the way that they beat enough. So I think that's a series that I really look forward to seeing if it's going to come. But, I mean, going into it, I think I would still pick OKC until San Antonio shows me different in a playoff format. Listen, I love Oklahoma City. I appreciate their fans. I like the E60 that they just had. I would very much appreciate. Exactly.

I love what they're about over there. I also like that their team is okay just with everybody outside their area hating them. You know, they'll kind of do whatever. It'd be really cool to see an alien kind of, you know, kind of decide that he wants to take over the entirety of the NBA. Him coming up. Oh, it's imminent. It's imminent, Pat. Even if it doesn't happen this year, he's like, remember you watching the Marvel to Thanos?

He's like, I am inevitable. That's Wimby. He's inevitable. I can't predict exactly when, but he is inevitable. That is that dude is something different He is going to be the man soon, real soon Is this year two or three for him right now? This is year three

Is it? Yeah, I think it's here three What is it year two for him? I don't know, that's what I'm saying. I think three. His Castle was their first year. I think it's three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so three years into this

and every year he's gotten significantly better but I think the spurs have also gotten significantly better around him in knowing that he's the man. You know, Castle obviously a stud, but he's coming to a team. He understands that the team is running through the 7 foot 7 guy. Because remember the Spurs, the first year he was there, it wasn't like that.

It was like a bunch of vets almost that maybe didn't fully understand what was happening here. Now they're fully committed to him. And he seems like a guy who is asshole. Like, hey, we're going to win. Like that is, we're going to do everything we have to do to win. I'm thankful that we are doing this program while he is playing in the league. Because he's seemingly actually not from here. No.

Like it is a very different. He's tall. He's aggressive. Like as opposed to like kind of being like kind of docile relax or whatever, you know, as some big guys are. Yeah. Like he's a mean cuss, it seems like. And then he'll go hang out with the monks. Yeah.

Up in the mountains and do this. He's talking about the universe. And he's like 17 years old. And yeah. And then he goes and talks to Kevin Garnett. He's like, hey, how do I become maybe the biggest dog? It's like he's special. I think mentally, not only his entire body.

I think mentally he has the right shit. And is it starting to hear? His mentality, no, he has the mentality. Like you said, he's not afraid to talk about. He wants to be one of the greats. He's doing all the things. When he talks about the awards, he has an understanding to become one of the greats, that you have to accumulate these awards and check these boxes and do those things.

And I think he's not afraid. He's not shying away from any of it. Like you said, I think the front office over there in San Antonio, Be Right, my man, Brian Wright, and the rest of those guys over there did a great job. but like you say, bringing the type of guys in that are rallying around him and acknowledge what and who he is and the ability that he has

to make everybody around there better. Like you say, it's inevitable, man. And another year, like you say, they got a chance this year. I'm not counting them out this year, but I just feel like either way in the next one to two to three years, he is the man and they're going to get them one

because they got, they build in the roster the right way they got a squad and they can only add to it. So I only see them getting better. Where'd Chris Farley grow up at in Beverly Hills Ninja? In Japan somewhere. Is that where Wemby's headed next offseason? Essentially. You're where y'all left out.

He worked with Hakeem the Dream too now. Like that's different too. He's checking crazy boxes, you know? He's doing the work. He's putting the work in. I assume he's going to do something with Shaq right at some point. Shack, yeah. Maybe like Magnus Carlson,

learns from Chesson somewhere. And who was the, you said, Who is the Magnus that threw the keg? Who is the world strongest man? For Magnuson. Yeah, Magnuson. Also, maybe Mario Pugianowski, who is also, you know. Yeah.

I mean, we'll be excited to see what he does. Maybe Littler. Yeah, maybe he is throwing darts with Luke Littler to understand the finer details. Aim small, missal. With Luke Littler. He'd be able to just stick it right into the board from where it's standing. He might not want to just do darts in the offseason. Yeah, because he could, because they can reach the board.

They stand the sideways on. Yeah, uh-huh. He'd be very close. He liked the real-life space jam movie. This ball and he's cheating. They'd be so mad. The accents would be so loud about him. Johnny's play and would lose it.

180. Again! He's done it again. Oh, man. Something to think about. Whemby might just take over everything. Sure. Why don't you go play soccer?

He's from France. We don't want to. Volleyball, the dunk looked like a... Yeah. If, I mean, he could. He would just stand in front of the net. He wouldn't have to jump. He would just stand and lift his arms.

I think he could throw a baseball like 160 miles an hour. That feels like it. Oh, my God. A real baseball classic? Yeah, France, look out. That's another one where he might be able to... Yeah, exactly. If he plays it, just kind of move it around the bat and put it in there.

There's a chance. I can't believe he is as healthy as he is. You know, whenever we heard about him, very late, we are a group of stooges over here. But whenever we started learning of this Wembenyama, who's going to be the number one overall pick, and everybody's saying, this is the one. And I'm like, we've heard enough Europeans are going to be the one.

Okay, I love them. I appreciate it. But very rarely does it end up working out? Luca comes in, takes over. Yonis comes in, takes over. There has been a little bit of a European takeover, but whenever they're saying, this guy's better than any prospect of all time.

And then we start getting his dims. He's how tall. Then we listen to him and speak. He's like, I know I'm just such a small piece of the universe and it's like, holy shit. We're talking about something a little bit different here. Then they're like, he's been working out his foot muscles and his foot parcel. So his feet don't get injured because of how tall he is. And his tendons and his knee they've been working on since he's like a little kid

because they know how tall he's going to be and how athletic he's going to be. They're trying to take care of the giant basically his entire life. It's like he's been made for this moment. Turns out, he, I mean, he's. That's why he's not been as hurt as everybody think. Because he does a lot. I've seen some of the stuff and I've never seen that stuff. He's crawling around on the floor with no shoes and socks on.

Like you say, working on different muscles that people don't really pay attention to and know about. And I was being educated just watching what he was doing and the people talking about why he was doing what he was doing. And I'm like, this dude is incredible. Like he's taking like, that's why I say he's putting in the work. He's doing all of the things that he has knowledge to get. get knowledge from to do he's going like you say went to go be with monks over and where they be at wherever that was i don't know but it was he was like he was like he's doing things that people haven't done before him and he's going like you say go get with kg go get with hakeem

who knows who he's going to be with jemal crawfer who's the best one of the best ball handlers of all time he was working out with jama so it's like who knows what wimbi's going to do next but i i i see that He's putting no limits on trying to improve himself and put himself in the best position, period. And I love it. Hey, who knows where Wembe, you know? Yeah. Who knows where Wembe? It could be.

I see what you did there. Yeah. Could Wembe anywhere. You know, could Wembe anywhere at any time. And we'll follow along. We're lucky to do as such. That whole training, the little muscles, though, for the giant, they knew he was going to be a giant. So they're like, what normally takes out?

Well, it's the little things you don't think about because the little things with giants are actually big things. So all the little things. little shit is actually pretty big shit here if we can take care of it. I love it. Let's stay in the West before we move to the east. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, Q Rich, talking about another guy who seemingly is not from this planet. LeBron, and I think everyone expects the Lakers to close out Houston. What's going to happen when, you know, potentially Austin Reeves comes back and Luca comes back? Like, how much will their style of play kind of change if it's not just kind of, hey,

LeBron, we're putting everything on your back. Go out here and win us a game, win us this series. I think that'll depend on, you know, when they come back, what, what shape they are in. I mean, I don't think, you know what I'm saying? I think LeBron is rolling right now. He's doing great as the number one guy. And, I mean, he's shown the ability to be, you know, versatile whether y'all need me to play the two or the three, three man role or whatever you need him to do. He's played center.

He's done everything this year. So I think he'll be fine with whatever it is. But I think it'll determine on, you know, what level those guys can come back at it. They can't come back in position to beat. at number one or number two guy, I think LeBron will still lead the way like he's been doing. The most unfortunate thing about, I do think they will close out tonight,

but even, you know, whenever they, as long as they advanced, the most unfortunate thing is OKC's waiting on them. And that's good for nobody. Tell me about KD. Tell me about KD here. Tell me about what I should think about the whole situation

and how this ends up unfolding for next year. Is he coming to the Pacers? Is he coming to the Pacers? Listen, man, I think KD is just, you know, he's one of those guys that he's a lightning rod and anything he does is going to be highly opinionated and highly talked about. The man hurt his knee coming into the series, I mean, to the series. And for him to sit out, I knew he had to be significantly hurt. And then you couple that, he comes back in game two when you know he's not 100%

but then on that game, he twists the ankle. So at that point, you got to listen to your body. And he's done the whole thing, like how many times should somebody like a Kevin Durant or anybody for that matter who's done the things that he's done to prove that he loves the game of basketball. He played through things when they told him don't play and then he tore as Achilles. So if he's hurt and he's missing games, I just believe that he's hurt. All of the different narrative and the things that pop up and go around and the rumor and

like y'all say, sore stizz and all of that. Like nobody's not going to put a name on it and come out and say this is what it is. And if KD isn't saying it himself, I don't believe anything until I, until I, until I see that. Until I see KD come out, I just feel like, yeah, he hurt. Like, if he's not playing, what do you think?

Like, this is a dude who plays basketball anywhere. Give me a ball and I'm hooping. He's literally known for that. So if he's not playing, I truly believe he's hurt. And that's just what it is. How about the Kevin Durant situation in Houston? He was going to join a very good team,

just supposed to be an additive. Then it kind of became like his team, right? He started, like, doing a lot for the Houston Rockets this year, but he was supposed to just be an additive to them, whenever he leaves Phoenix. That's just like LeBron this year, supposed to just be an additive to Luca's team.

I don't even think they knew it was going to be Austin's team as well until it kept going. They're like, this is Luca and Austin's team. LeBron just needs to be an additive. Then lo and behold, what's going on with LeBron?

Well, he's kind of carrying the team right now because there's some injuries. KD was kind of carrying the Houston Rockets for a while. He was kind of their go-to guy. Then he gets hurt. There's always something, though, with KD.

I don't know him. I've never met him. I've just watched him from afar. There's always something. He's been on a lot of teams, and I think he does, you know, because the X activity certainly provides a lot of things for people to get mad at him for. But if he was in his Ray Allen stage of his career, we would certainly want him at the Pacers with Tyrese coming back. You're saying, if, like, are you, listen, this is the dude who's average 25 plus points. Yeah, but I think he still wants to be in the act.

I'm saying if he, if he'd be willing to Tyrese, you know, just kind of get it. He can play any kind of basketball. Thank you, D.B. Like, KD, you can plug him into any type of, he doesn't like, if you watch, he takes the backseat for Shang-goon and some of those guys a lot. Like, he's not a guy who's out there, like, dominating the ball and saying, give me the ball. Like, for him to do what he, he's averaged 25 plus points and shot 50 plus percent for,

like, 13 straight seasons. Like, currently right now, still on that street. Like, do you understand how elite that is? Yeah. That is out of this world. And, like you say, having the injuries. being up there in age and being in this 17th year, he still is automatic.

Yeah. Automatic. Tyrese to KD. I can already see it. And that's what's happening. Splash. And then there's a big, yeah!

And we're back in the playoffs. It sucks. You got her. I would definitely love to see this matchup. This regular season, I want to say KD, missed like five games or something crazy like that in year 17. Yeah, he played all the time.

Yeah. And he was a big part of, every time I was watching Houston. games, KD is playing. Like, hey, this is a Kevin Durant basketball game. They lost Van Vleet, man. If they had a real true point guard. Yeah, I felt like that was a big factor for him.

And people don't even give it the credit. Like, they act like Van Vleet is not a champion and doesn't have the experience and the game that he has. He was a huge piece. Him going down was monumental for them this season, I feel like. Because not only is he, you know, a great point guard and a veteran and champion, he has a leadership about him, a leadership characteristic

with a help their team too. Tyrese is perfect. And I think because of the Olympics, they probably already have a great time. Probably, probably did the entire thing. I don't know how we get KD in Indianapolis. I would tell you,

well, it'll be a good time for the city. Katie, I don't know how everybody in every team is feeling towards you joining them. And hell, I don't talk to anybody at the patient other than Tyrese,

I would like to let you know. Pat, I would venture that you would have a great time hanging out with K. I would be, I'm not a bed man, but I would bet many pushups that you, you and KD would hit it off spectacularly. I think we cruise at the same altitudes from what I've been told, you know, which would certainly be a fantastic conversation. But yeah, I would like let him know, you'd love it here, bro. Oh, you'd love it here. Good time.

Got great things everywhere, whatever you need. What are you looking like that for, D, but? I don't like the lot of people, a lot of people at this age. He's got a lot of people. Why wouldn't you think? Brooklyn, Phoenix, Houston. India. It's kind of

entertaining. That's what I'm saying. It would be perfect. It didn't work at those other places either. Exactly. No, they were good. Indiana, San Francisco, where it worked, it's similar.

Yeah. You know, it's very, very safe. You're going to love it. You're going to absolutely love it. And guess what? The bucket, bigger here. Mm-hmm. That's true.

That's Indianapolis. So just think about that. All right, let's move to the east, please, shall we? There's big story developing over there in the east with a team that you obviously know a lot about in a team that's supposed to be the stones.

Go ahead, Dibud. Yeah, Q, I know you tapped in with the magic and what they're doing. Are you surprised at the success that they're having against the one seed Detroit Pistons? And do you think they're big three and how they're playing right now, like they can actually go on a little run here in the east? From your opinion, what has clicked for the Orlando Magic? We have our full roster. I mean, not the full, but I mean, we got our, you know, Franz is back and Palo is back. And then you got Bain.

I mean, you guys understand, like, I don't feel like the magic were a true eight seed. We came into the season with high hopes of being like a third or maybe higher seed. And that was the outlook until the injuries piled up. And then, you know, it's tough to play without your top guns. Like, Desmond Bain came. He was able to play all 82 games. He was huge. This whole year, he's been huge these playoffs.

And I think he'll be huge in Monumental for us going forward. But, like, it's tough if Palo gets hurt. And then Franz is playing it. Then Paolo comes back, then Franz goes out. Like Jaylen Suggs was in the other line out. Moe Wagner wasn't there a lot. So it was like to deal with that stuff, it kind of gets tough. And this year was a tough year for us during the regular season for that.

And for us to recover and get to the, you know, to play in and win in and then to come out like this, I was not surprised because as much as I believe in Detroit, me, many of my peers, we always, when we talk about them, it's like, okay, so what happens if Kay Cunningham has an off night. If Kay Cunningham doesn't go crazy, who's next? And that question is yet to be answered for them. And that's the biggest thing. They got big guys. They got toughness. They got, you know what I'm saying? Some versatility. But they don't have that second primary

sports board that's going to be consistently there for them. Oh, no, Foxy. What happens if he has a bad game or two, four or three, or four? Quirich, how much of this do you think is Cade Cunningham's fall or how much of this is Jalen Duren's fault because that was the second guy. That was a guy that was going 20 and 10 every single night in the regular season. And then in these playoffs, he has been non-existent. Also, how does that happen? How can you begin all season and all-poly player? A guy that's supposed to be on Team USA in the Olympics.

And then you're just non-existent for the playoffs. It's embarrassing. It's actually, it's not as bad as you make it sound. Like, you got to understand. Jayland Duren. No, Jalen Duren is not a guy. If you look at it, he's not a guy that they run plays for. He was going to getting 20 and 10 off pure hustle and muscle,

like going to the glass. He might get a pick and roll or alleyup here there. But if the team knows that when you're going to a playoff series, everything is hyper-focused. It's not like we just coming in and one of the 82 when you're playing Toronto, then you're playing Orlando the next night on the back. No, they got filmed. They've been studying for you.

They've got the bigs. They know this. we need to take away that. And Coach Mosley is an unbelievably in his staff. They do a great job at defense. That's what we hang our hat on here in Orlando. And they've done that since Coach Mosley's been here. So I already know he's queuing them guys up on everything.

So you're not going to get your normal easy rolls and your lobs to the basket. So if they're not running plays for you, where are you going to get your points from? Because he's not a guy that they drop the ball to the post and say, go get a bucket and do these things. So it's not, you know, I know it looks bad when you. look at the regular season stats and then you look at what he's doing now. But if you look at it and you focus on what's really going on, that's why they need that sex.

It's wood bobping, dude. It's wood. Orlando bops wood better than below. That's what he's saying. Hey, listen, we brought the physicality, man, and we, you know, I'm proud of the guys. I couldn't be happier for him. And I'm glad that they, you know, doing it right now in the playoffs and giving them chance, giving themselves a chance to advance.

And the fact that they're the eight seed and the one seed, that's historically great. Hey, you're not just going to be able to play Boyce Park basketball against the Orlando Magic. Okay, Detroit Pistons? Why don't we draw up some plays? I couldn't agree more with what Q. Ridge said. And Q. Rich, I know you watched that game last night. Was that not the worst basketball game you've ever watched? I've watched a lot.

Middle school, high school, college, you name it. That game stunk last night. All right, Fox. No, what you got a – those are two defensive teams, man. That game was a throw back to like to the early 2000s, late 90s, where it was just like, it was a lot of physicality, a lot of reps having to break up little short skirmishes and chats and things like that.

And these guys got a little animosity. I'm not, I'm actually enjoying it to the fullest, especially with Orlando winning. I got no complaint. Detroit always has animosity with people, it feels like. They had heat with the Pacers last year.

They had heat with the Hornets this year. Now they got heat with the magic. You start looking around, maybe you start wondering, what's all the heat? Well, might be, uh... I might be the problem. It might be the case, but you need to win if that's the case. You can't just lose everybody.

That's why I'm mad. We're getting out physical, and that can't happen with the Detroit team in any sports. It's okay. You're growing. You're learning, just like the Orlando Magic if had to do. Okay, let's stay in the evening. And the thing is, they're getting out physical from a team that hails from City Beautiful. That's our nickname out here, City Beautiful.

Oh, no, Detroit. Oh, no. Mickey Mouse time. Yeah, yeah. The Mickey is. The greatest place in the world. world. The happiest place in the world is huge.

Oh, he's just. Beef stew is there. To Detroit. Fight somebody. Beef stews are our best player right now. Oh, yeah. He's not doing it. You're in trouble.

He had eight blocks last night. Yes. That's unbelievable. He's at the rim. He's crazy at the rim. Sounds like Orlando is too, though. They're not very scared of any of that. Okay, so everybody, obviously, the Pistons are the number one seed,

but you talk to anybody from Massachusetts, they'd say, come on, we know who runs the East. And it seems like that is the case. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Kourist. we can be real here. Okay, the Boston Sully are head and shoulders above everybody in the east, especially right now with what they're doing. Tatum's coming off 30, 11, and 7. He's been unbelievable. Jalen Brown. He's just a quiet 25 a night. And then we have guys coming off the bench like Peyton

Pritchard dropping 30. This team feels different in Boston just because of how deep they are. Is it kind of a layup to assume that yes, the Spurs and OKC are going to go to battle? but Boston's damn near going to waltz into the finals, fresh, healthy, and clicking on all cylinders after lethal shooter helped them kind of find it before these playoffs started. What have you seen from them? Should I feel this confident?

Should I feel more confident? And also, are the Sixers not as good when Embedde plays? Because it felt weird last game, just because less Vijay J.combe, less Tyrese Maxie, Mbid getting his shots up, and he's clearly still injured from his little situation. I'll start with the NB part. I think it's not,

I don't think they're worse, but I think that everybody knows that when you add something like him, he's an MVP in his league. So he's not somebody like just coming back to the lineup. He's a feature. He's a focal point. And I think when you do that, you know, those guys like the Tyrese maxi,

he came to the team after Joe Lumbie was already MVP in the, man. So it's like he he kind of defers to him without even really knowing it. And then, you know, everybody else is going to follow suit because like it or not, he was the big dog. And like, so you got an adjustment to make when that guy comes back. And I think we were seeing

that in real time because it's like we got the big fellow, we still got to give him the ball, but it's like they kind of, they kind of didn't do their own thing as aggressively that they had been doing it and that took away from the team. But I think it'll be different than next game, but when you get to Boston, I would say,

I don't want to say they just going to waltz into anything. It's not going to be easy. I still have them pick. However, I do have them pick to advance out of the east and be in the finals waiting for whoever and fighting for the title. But I'm never going to say that they're going to just waltz in. It's going to be easy and it's going to be this and that. But what I will say, the way they've been playing, it's been incredible, man.

It's been something that's been dope to see. I'm a huge Jason Tatum guy. We've got the same agent Jeff Westler. And I've known, Jason through Larry Hughes and his dad, Justin, since he was younger. So I'm completely for him doing what he's doing. And I'm loving the way that he's been, you know, gotten back into the fit for the team and the way he and Jalen and everybody are playing together.

And all of the people that was naysayers chirping and Sanfus can silence the Hayden and just relax and let these guys who they've been doing like, that's the part I laughed that when everybody's made, they can't play together. Jason Taylor literally has not played in the NBA without Jalen Brown. And Jailen Brown only played one year without him. So it's like, what are we talking about? But like, you're seeing it in real time. And I can't say enough about what Tatum has been able to do.

I mean, you guys know you've talked to Tyrese Halliburton, and he's told you how difficult, how hard, how crazy, and all of these things. And that shows the level of dedication and how hard Jason worked to get to this point. Because I was totally expecting him to get back out there and have to work his way in. I didn't realize that him going to the G League and doing all those practices. He was crossing and checking out. host boxing, doing the, I'm working my way back, and I'm feeling better. And like, now he, you see him out there starting to have trust in that leg. It's not like those first couple

games where he was like, oh, is he trying to not land on it? Like, he's going in there sometime. And I'm like, oh, whoa. And it's like, he, he's straight. So, I mean, I totally respect him as being an athlete who's been injured and had to be off for four, five, six months. And that was crazy than that. And for him to come back like this, I ain't got nothing with praise for him, bro. It's incredible. Yeah, I agree. And Joe Mazzola, he's a man. Shout to him by West Virginia, obviously. Yes, he is. Love the way he does, he does.

Cavaliers, obviously, in it. Nix, always going to be a topic of discussion. What's today's conversation about the Nix? Did we see what it was on the earlier shows? Yesterday was, should it run through Kat? Today might have been make or break, maybe. How do we get bridges going, perhaps? So, Mike Brown needs to win, or else he's going to get fired?

Which is possible because of what he may have seen. New York City. What are your thoughts on these three games if you had to pick them right now? You like the Celtics, you like the Knicks, and you like the Spurs? I like the Celtics. Yes, all on the right.

Celtics, Knicks and Spurs. I like the Knicks coming back home and knowing that they got to handle business. Knowing it's not, I don't think it's going to be easy with the Hawks because they, you know, they're going to come to fight. They know the importance of this game to go up three or two,

but I think Celtics and Spurs going to handle business. Yeah. All right. Chalk Knight for Q, Q Rich. We'll certainly pay attention and we'll talk to you soon. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Anytime fellas, you already know.

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of your TV package for no additional call. Visit activate.esPN.com to learn how to access your account or sign up, then start streaming in the ESPN app. It's all the ESPN all in one place. Sign up or activate now. You already know. Thought of Dionne Dawkins, you already snow. Uh-huh. Sure. Speaking of snow, feels like we're in spring now here in Indy. Yeah, I got a couple, got a couple days here over the next week, but that's just in the morning. What do you mean? A couple of days. A couple days under 60. But then we will be kind of there.

We're kind of into April showers bringing made flowers. Correct. Portion of the calendar. And are we doing spring? Like we hadn't done spring in a while. I don't know how Ohio is. We hadn't really had a spring before. It was like cold, a couple good days, cold, and then 95 degrees.

And that it was like 100 degrees for two months. And then it got cold again. That was kind of what we had before. It's been pretty nice outside. It feels like we're starting to really. catch our stride here. The less Sneed conversation earlier, really catching on. Uh-huh.

Did you know a lot of that stuff, AJ, that he was talking about there, where he was saying, we've at 66 private trips, two different guys at their schools, I guess, kind of bouncing around. He went and met with Ty alongside Coach McVeigh. They talked for hours about ball. Coach Sneed said he was just kind of checked out,

kind of doing some other things all by himself, while Sean McVey and Ty Simpson did their thing. He said Matthew Stafford, it's his timeline, but we have to prepare for one whenever it could potentially be up. They like Ty. They don't think they're going to have this high of a draft pick in the future. They're hoping that isn't the case.

What did you feel or how did you feel about our convo with them, AJ? And where do you kind of sit on the entire 13th pick saga as we are here today? Well, after hearing Les kind of lay out exactly their whole process and what they were thinking and then like hearing him talk about why they didn't. Yeah, I feel much more comfortable with them taking Ty Simpson there at 13. But also my main takeaway was credit to Ty Simpson. Simpson for keeping that close to the vest and not letting it. And as you said, like, staying with the gimmick even after you were drafted.

Like, this dude is somebody you can trust. He seems like he is a vault. And think also his agent had to be involved. Other people knew that he talked with the Rams and Les Need and McVeigh before the draft and it never got out from anybody. So like everybody in his camp seems to be on the same page. And I think that's a great thing for them. Yeah.

And we do know who represents him. I think we all do. And that would certainly be something that would come from their good, business department, which is what they do. Good business over there. And he, everywhere. Oh, yeah. Does business everywhere in that particular world.

And people are going to love it. Jimmy Sexton. That's right. He's the man involved with a Ty Simpson story and Miss Amy, I do believe. And I think there's a few others, obviously on the team is a 13th overall pick. He was a quarterback. So there's going to be a lot of people that are kind of on the job of taking care of things, making sure they stay tight.

I just appreciate the fact that Ty Simpson finds a place that clearly loves him. and, you know, Matthew Stafford seemingly 100% in on all of it. So I like where they're at. I appreciate less need joining us. I also appreciate any time we get to talk to the actual decision makers of people that are actually in the league that is kind of driving all this rating success and all this pop culture conversation.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now on this big GM Tuesday is a general manager for the Houston Texans, big time Mark. Yeah. So I was talking to him whenever I was out there with Randy, all those weeks. Ladies and gentlemen, Nick Casario. How are you, boss? What's happened, fellas, good to see. Yeah, last time we talked, I took a picture with

Randy and then we were talking a little wrestling, so it's good to be back. Yeah, me and Randy have had quite a, quite a trip. You have. Since then. I'm glad to see your next okay. Thank you. It turns out it was 100% okay. But there was some strains, obviously, throughout all of it. Could have been anywhere from the C2 to the C5. so you know the medicals of everything there.

Happy, we're clear, but Cody got me to, Crossroads. Jelly. Cool. Yeah. Okay, that thing's shattered. I still got wood. Yeah, the splinters got all over the place, let alone. Well done.

Very well done by everybody involved. Very well done. Okay, thank you. Thank you, thank you, sir. Okay, it's very well done. Let's talk about you. Okay, so you make massive moves. You make Will Anderson, the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history.

Congratulations. That's obviously a previous draft pick, and a massive move on draft night that comes to fruition for you. And obviously sets the tone for your Houston Texans defense. I love that you've done that. 28 trades you have done now through your draft. Is it just something that you have to do? You feel like you're super active in there?

Like how do you view your approach to draft night? And when do you know the guy that you want? And when do you know you're going to move to potentially get them? Yeah, honestly, I didn't realize it was that many trades. I think the reality is we just try to stay as flexible and adaptable throughout the process as much as possible. And as long as we have an understanding of the players, you have to have an understanding of players,

understanding of the board. And a lot of this has to do with positioning. You don't know exactly what other teams are going to do or whether or not you're looking at the same players. So you just try to put yourself in the best position and get yourself in an area where you think you may have to draft that player. So that's a big part of the discussion, a big part of the calculus. So we try to keep the conversations moving.

throughout the course of the draft. And I think we've adopted the philosophy. We're not necessarily afraid to do anything and do it in a responsible way. And as long as it's in the best interest of the team and everybody involved, we just try to make good sound calculated decisions as we're working through the process.

Well, it feels like you're building quite a monster down there with an edge, maybe. You know, you look at a couple of the guys that you drafted there, and you're flexible, you're able to move. But like Caden McDonald, I got a chance to see him get drafted backstage there. I was with him.

I met his whole family. We got to see him play. He paints his entire. your face. It's like, that guy's a dog. This guy is an absolute dog. The Keelan Rutledge draft pick there out of Georgia Tech. We're hearing stories about him. He's a mean, mean cuss. And then you hear about like how Will Anderson is. It feels like you are targeting a certain type of player. And how do you figure out if a person is a Houston Texan-like player and why these guys? Yeah, I mean, I think we've all seen toughness and physicality winning this

league. I think we feel that way. There's a number of teams that feel that way. When you look around the league, I mean, that's in the end that's going to be important part of it. So we try to identify who are those players that have those requisite traits and characteristics throughout the course of the process. I think our scouting staff does a great job being able to get the information and identify those players that maybe fit the profile so that when we transition after the season, when a coaching staff gets involved, when Domeko gets involved, we can maybe identify some of those players that have those characteristics that that we're, I would say, targeting and have discussed that we feel are important to winning.

And I would say those two players in particular that you mentioned, Rutledge and McDonald, we feel they both have those qualities, both played for really good programs. I'd say tough, hard-nosed coaches. I mean, Coach Kea, Georgia Tech does a great job. He's done a great job. And we've all seen what Coach Day has done at Ohio State. And, you know, Coach Patricia, I'd say put his kind of stamp on the defense there a little bit. So there's a familiarity to some extent with maybe some of the things that they were doing there.

but those were two players that we had a certain level of conviction on, and we were fortunate enough to be able to add them to the team. And then as the draft unfolds, Marlon Klein there, tight end, he's 6-6-250. That guy is a monster. And we all saw Aidan Fisher for Indiana, and we all have such high respect for him, for you to be able to pick him up and pick 243. It's like, I really like what you're cooking down there, Nick. I hate that you're in the AFC South, but I love the way you view it.

It sounds like you're looking at dogs. only. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Pat mentioned to Aden Fisher there at your seventh round pick. Obviously, you don't get a ton of questions about your seventh round pick, obviously, but we watch this guy play in person multiple times. I guess what did you see in him? And he has a bunch of tape. He's played a bunch of football.

Seems to be playing a few steps ahead of everybody else. Like, what do you like in Fisher? Yeah, you said it, AJ. And when you watch him play, he's a very aware. He's a very instinctive player with a very good playing style. And play in that position, and, you know, we had the, I mean, our head coach is one of the best linebackers, if not the best linebacker in the history of the organization. And he was smart and instinctive. And when you watch Aiden play, he's not as big as D'Amico was,

but he has a lot of those same qualities. He plays with good anticipation. He has good range sideline to sidelines. He was very well thought of within that program. When you watch their tape, their defense was kind of the sum of the parts. It wasn't necessarily one particular player that stood out, but they played 11 as one, and he was kind of the leader of that defense. So that was a player when you kind of get into some of the late rounds, you're looking for some traits or qualities that a player possesses at certain positions. And the reality is those players are probably going to have to make an impact in the kicking game before they have an opportunity maybe play on defense.

But really good playing style, you know, comes from a really good program, a winning program, transfer up coming over from JMU with Coach Sig. And just his awareness and instinctiveness is something that, you know, we feel stood out in his play. How much him being around in Italian for an extended period of time did kind of weigh in on that, you think? It always makes a difference. So he probably had spaghetti and meatballs once or twice during the course of the week

or whatever Coach Stig was serving down there. Yeah. I assume he's had some moots on that. A lot of prosciute. He's a big rigatong guy. Oh, so much rigatine. Maybe Buccatini. Oh, maybe.

Zabogu! Could be doing any of that. Anyways, Anthony DeGulio has a question for you about the draft before we move on to other team moves. Yeah, Nick. there's been a lot of talk on X. I'm sure you have not seen it about GMs and where they get their draft picks

versus the consensus board of draft analysts. Now, I'm not going to ask if you saw that or if you see the consensus board or whatever, but do you as a GM use the mock drafts of guys that you know, talk to GMs around the lead to kind of get an idea of where guys are going to go? And how is that viewed in the GM world? No, it's a great question.

I think you have to do your work and you kind of have to stack your board. And there's a multitude of mock drafts that are put out over the course of, call it March, April, and it'll be a little bit closer than a few more people have there. So we try to do our work, and we try to identify the players that we like. And then we do have an analysis that we will look at the mock drafts, if you will, to see maybe where a player was projected. And then after the draft, look at, all right, what did that, who was most right,

or where was that player projected to go? We did. How close was he? You're always going to have some outliers. And I think when you found it this draft, I mean, a reality is teams took players that they liked, that they wanted. And I think that's the beauty of it. 32 draft boards don't all look the same. And each team is going to identify the players that they feel that they want or can help them.

So you don't necessarily factor into the overall decision making. It's maybe something after the fact that you look at to kind of see like, all right, where were we? Where were the outliers? And kind of how did that player fall? And as you get a little bit closer, you start to hear maybe a little bit more well, you know what? teams may have liked this player a little bit more than anticipated. So, you know, you try to factor in everything, but without factoring in too much noise, because ultimately you've got to stay disciplined to your evaluations and your draft board. Well, why would anybody have a different

draft board than anybody else with every team being built the exact same way? Exactly. You know, so every team needs the same exact things. Every team, obviously, in the market for the same stuff, same type of characteristics. Like, you are clearly trying to build a locker room that has a dog mentality. And if you don't let dogs in, then you really can't not have a dog mentality, which is a big part of your draft board. I wonder how many analysts have dog mentality as an actual score whenever they're trying to subject

who somebody can pick, because you were actually voted amongst the worst in the consensus bakeboard. I don't know if you know this. 29th, and look who's number one, Cassario. Look is number one. Is that your poll or was that somebody else? No, no.

I actually like your draft a lot. Yeah. actually like what you guys did a lot. But it's like such an interesting thing listening to what you're actually looking for. Like, hey, this is what we were looking for. But that wasn't what the analysts were looking for. Exactly. So if you could be a little bit more like them and not like a guy actually running a team,

maybe you could be like the Colts number one in the consensus Biggmore. Put a fucking banner up. Yeah. You guys actually, Mike. We got 30 seconds left on linear television as we will continue on YouTube. ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, TikTok Live, and X. We're basically everywhere in your hands for the next hour or so. This pie's on.

Nick Casario will continue to join us. We don't know how long will you join us for after this 19, 18, 17 seconds here. However many more questions you all have for us. However many? Oh, boy. Within reason. Ladies and gentlemen, strap up if you're going to join us digitally. We got a long one.

If not, SportsCenter's about to crush it. We will see you tomorrow. Be a friend, tell the other friends. Something nice. It might change. Their life, goodbye. Okay. We're in there.

Hey, good answer out of you. Great answer. That was a good answer out of you. Super humble, super open. Within reason, you know, you could have added at the end to do this entire thing. Because we have all gone to the bathroom already. AJ has a bottle under the table. We don't know what your pissing situation is.

We could do this four or five hours. No doubt? We can come up with questions. I got plenty. What are you watching right now? Yeah, that's good. What are your thoughts on the tribal chief coming back? I mean, we can get a different.

Let's stay in ball, though. Shall we? Let's stay in ball. Let's go back to some moves that you were able to make this off season, but maybe not make. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Nick, kind of weird situation. You signed DeNeil Hunter to a one year, $40 million deal. We actually all celebrated it and then realized how bad it was for our respective teams because you still get that guy.

But then I think the next day or the day after it came out that the league didn't approve the contract, what was that situation? How often does that happen? And why would something like that happen, especially when it's just an extension and a resign, not even a free agent or a trade? Yeah, and that's a good question. Honestly, it was strictly a semantical, kind of a clerical thing on our end. You know, sometimes there's some void years and some things that included in contracts, and again, it had to do more with that. So it was a very easy fix.

There wasn't anything. There were no shenanigans. The league had kind of flagged it. So we just had to get it fixed real quick. So, I mean, honestly, there was really nothing to it. I wish I had more for you, but there's nothing more to it than that. No shenanigans, he says, clerical error on the back end. I appreciate us finding out about it the way that we did.

Yeah, it was weird. Because it was like, breaking, you'll never believe what they're doing down there. And then the next day we read a tweet, it's like, it was just kind of a filing error in its entirety, not really that big of a deal. Have you heard about this unrestricted free agent tender? Do you know you can do this? Do you know you can do that to somebody? Yeah, it's funny you bring that up. It doesn't happen very often.

when I was in New England, we actually did it one year. I think we did it with LG. I think we did it with Legerred Blunt. And I think it's, again, it's kind of case-by-case sort of team discretion. So, I mean, I think it looks like Pittsburgh did it with Aaron. I'm sure when you bring him on a show, we'll talk about it. But it happens. It doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen periodically.

And I think it's just more the teams looking at it from the perspective of, you know, just trying to maybe potentially. keep a good player around potentially beyond, you know, the upcoming season. Okay, so you get an email that says that this is happening from the Pittsburgh Steelers. So you are basically told by the NFL, hey, if you are in pursuit of Aaron Rogers know that this has happened. So is that how that works? Well, they notify the team. So it doesn't, it doesn't preclude you from potentially signing that player. So it just knows there's certain parameters that are involved in a situation like this. So you all have.

have the note up there. So that gets promulgated to the teams. So at least they're aware of the player's status and then you can deal with it however you see fit, you know, based on the team. Okay, fascinating. How often are those types of emails coming to you guys? Like is there a daily, like, hey, this is kind of what is happening around. This is what's taking place? There is. There's something that gets sent out daily. Just essentially a snapshot of the transactions that take place. So sometimes there, it's that day. The transaction takes place that day. Sometimes there's a little bit of a time lap there. But it's a way for, you know, essentially all teams to have the same information. And Lee does a good job and making sure that, you know,

all teams have the appropriate information. Fascinating. Hey, you make moves. There's a lot of people getting emails because of shit that you do. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, Nick, one of the moves that I love that you made. It was early in the offseason. You guys traded for David Montgomery. And the last couple years, you've got production from your running back room, but it feels like it kind of has been like a musical chairs thing where last year, you know, with mixing, we didn't know what was going on and he ended up not playing that much. Woody Marks obviously looked pretty good. But how important was it going into this year to find like a bell cow or a guy that you could actually rely on and maybe take some of that pressure off CJ and kind of get that running game, you know, very, very good moving

forward? Yeah, the running game is an important part of any offense. So hopefully it's a big part of our offense as well. That was a position that we had identified. We were probably going to add a player or two at some point along the way. So we just looked at our opportunities. And David was a player that was very highly thought of in our building, highly thought of in the Lions building as well. Like we have a lot of respect for the program that Coach Campbell and Brad are running in Detroit. And we practiced with them.

We played against them a few years back. David's been a very consistent, a very productive player who's tough kind of going back to what we were talking about a little bit earlier, Pat. I mean, the toughness and his physicality kind of stands out in his play. So we felt that this was a player. if we had a chance to add them to the team would be a good fit for some of the reasons that, you know, we articulated. Yeah, and what you're saying there, there's some Hembo stats that kind of back it up. And I don't want to bring up poor stats again, okay, because this is not good.

This is not fun. You're the general manager of the damn team. But on that note, Gold go efficiency for the Texans, 26 in the NFL. Red zone efficiency has a whole 30th out of 32. David Montgomery has 33 rushing touchdown since 2023, which is the eighth mode, 28 of which come inside the eight yard line. Hey, we have a little bit of an issue finishing here. Let's go ahead and bring a finisher in, who we also respect,

from a great place. I love the move. Just like I love everything that you do, even though their stats are saying, your ass. That's what they said. I didn't love that. I appreciate it. I didn't love that they said that, but that is what they said. Your team has obviously been very successful since the first snap that C.J. Stroud took, okay, rookie year sensation. They were talking about him being maybe the greatest rookie in the history of football. Now, the next step, the next step, the next step, Debutt has a question for you. Yeah, C.J.'s kind of had to ride the ebbs and flow. of the league and he's been successful by all accounts, in my opinion, a few playoff wins already. But in your opinion, what's the next step? What do you want to see C.J. Stroud in his game to

take that next step. I saw you picked up his fifth year option. We just saw Will Anderson get paid. Derek Stingley got paid. Obviously, everyone expects C.J. Stroud to get paid here at some point, but in your opinion, through your eyes, what do you want to see is that next step from your franchise quarterback? Yeah, D. Butt, I mean, the reality is, I mean, it's just to approach this year with the right attitude and just go out there and play a good consistent football. I mean, CJ is one of the better quarterbacks here in the league. He's shown that in the first three years. You know, right now we're in the offseason program here. He's been here. He's been involved. He's had a good attitude. He's worked really hard. So again, it's focus on the things that you can improve,

you know, correct some of the things or where are the areas of growth. I mean, that's what this program and that's what the focus is for him and our program. And D'Amico talks to the players about that all the time. So it's just kind of focusing on yourself and continually improving and getting better. and then growing in the areas that we've identified that we feel you can growth. And, you know, we're glad that he's here. We're glad that he's under center and glad that he's our quarterback. All right.

Casario, what do you think of the tribal chief being back? I'm okay with it, I think. I might need some new blood here at some point. Wow. Roman is obviously very highly thought, no, Roman's great for the WWE. and he's a great chance. Oh, don't you back off.

See who next challenger is. So I didn't see what happened. Did he accept Fatu's challenge last night? Yeah. They're going to backlash. He did. He did. So what is that?

Backlatch. And next Monday, they'll be squaring off next Monday, and they will be squaring off backlash. But from what Nick is saying, he sounds like an Obafemi guy to me. Obufemi, wow, he's kind of interesting. Yeah, he's a big dude. He just slayed the beast. Brock Lesnar retired.

He did slay. Yeah. Hung his boots up. Hey, Brock. Calvaron, Brock. It looks like Brock was ready. So what's that? Looks like Brock was ready.

He put in his good years and he was ready to go. Yeah, right. He's Ariel. Nobody like him. Nobody like him. Yeah, maybe you bring him down to Houston Texans. You know, maybe because he was a Viking there for a little bit. Yeah, oh my God.

He would show up. Matt, him running out and let bull. No. Full uni. That'd be fucking out. Make it happen. All right. Good luck the rest of the way.

What are we doing now? We signed our undrafted free agents. We got workouts this weekend because. Ravens, I don't know if you know this, he would not be available. Diego Pavia has signed a deal with the Ravens. He was supposed to work out this weekend at a rookie mini-camp tryout type thing.

They have signed him to continue over there with the Baltimore Ravens, which is good. What are you looking like that for? I thought they probably signed the air in March Jackson with Joe Fidano. They did. They did. Just giving out three-year deals. The hell is going on.

Yeah, Joe Fidano and... No, actually, DB, the way the undrafted contracts are, no, that's standard for everybody. So the undraft, they're all three-year-old. year deals. So the lead kind of standardized that. Okay. Again, I want to say that's new over the last few years. So again, all undrafted players that haven't signed an NFL contract, they all sign

three-year deals now. So it's pretty standard practice. Okay. So on that note, first rounders can get a fifth year option picked up, which has happened for you in the bat, normal deals, rookie deals, four-year deals? Is that normal? Correct. That's correct. If you're drafted, four-year deal. And then undrafted is now a three-year deal. So everything's kind of standardized now? Yes, for the most part it is. So if you go undrafted and you go, you can sign earlier. Yeah, so let's say you play it out or after the three years and then depending on how it goes, you're going to be restricted or unrestricted. So, I mean, again,

if you're restricted, then it's up to the club to decide whether or not they retain your services or if they don't tender you. So the four-year deals are a little bit more to your point, pat, a little more standardized. And, you know, after the fourth year, then they'll be, free agents if you haven't done an extension with that player after the third year, which all players are extension eligible after their third year. So then you have the choice of whether or not you're going to do it, regardless of the round. The first round is the first round.

That's a part of it. But even a player that's in the middle rounds after three years, like you have the ability to extend him before the end of his contract. So, you know, every team will kind of look at that on a case-by-case basis. We're kind of heading that direction, aren't we? Don't you think that's kind of becoming more and more? that's why I think your situation is getting loud, right? I think your situation with CJ is going to become a louder conversation

because it feels like the deals are getting done earlier or expected to be done earlier and it's getting louder about deals getting done earlier. Do you agree with that? Yeah, I think you're seeing it more commonplace maybe than it was previously. So again, I think each team is probably having a lot of the same discussions and those discussions will probably continue throughout the course of springs and into training camp and into the season. So you're seeing deals done really, I mean, across all times, all parts of the year.

Spring, training camp, in-season deals. So, you know, and I think the team, every team probably approached it a little bit differently. You know, we're pretty flexible. And, you know, in the end, we'll just try to figure out and thread the needle on every player that, you know, timing-wise, we feel makes the most sense. For the good of the Texans, you know, seems like you've got a bunch of dogs down there. How much would you have loved Bain on your own? Really good player. Yeah, you had Bain.

Yeah, yeah, I assume you had him very high. Yeah, I assume you did. Very good player. Him, everything he did, that hat grabbed. Everything about it was just like everything that Christopher said about him, everything. It's like, yeah, it feels like this is a guy that was probably high on the dog draft board down there in Houston, if I did guess. He was on the dog board, for sure. Yeah, I can imagine.

It's awesome. I appreciate the way you view ball. I appreciate what you're doing down there, and I appreciate you taking time to chit-chat with us. You're the general manager of the Houston Texans. Pison extraordinaire, Nick Casario. Yeah, Nick. See you, Nick. Hold on. Was he saying something there? I just meet her.

Yeah, real quick. Just want to say, I appreciate your support on the donation. I know we had a little fun there at the combine with the throw, but in reality, it was that donation, you know, our oldest daughter had a fundraising campaign and effort, and she ended up being the highest donor because of the donation that you will. all gave and provided. So really appreciate your support. Appreciate the relationship with the program and a lot of respect for what you all do. And thanks for being a part of that. Hey, thank you for the opportunity. You can spin it, brother. Never forget it. And I'm happy we can be a part of that. You're the best. Ladies of gentlemen, Nick. Thanks, fellas. Appreciate it. Yeah, Nick.

That was very kind of him. We buried him the first time. Big time. That's it. I love Nick. You obviously know him from your patron. You obviously know him from your today. We, I mean, it was kind of, we had to do it. He had a headphones on. That's right. General manager directly to sideline. Sideline was coaching a team that was ass. So yeah. Okay. Why is this general manager fucking got a headphones on? Get this guy out of the goddamn game. So we obviously mock and ridicule him mightily. Everything goes to shit. They become a dumpster fire. Oh, yeah, laughing stuff. Whole, whole thing. quarterback wouldn't play.

See you. Dave Cole, he's chewing on his tongue. Actually. Yeah, he got a raw deal. He was one-year coach with Josh McCown was going to elect. I mean, it was all bad down. Coach Dave got a raw deal. Everything was, we agree.

Coach Dave, they did a raw deal. But during that process, I mean, it was, it was all bad down there. And then all of a sudden, he starts chipping away this guy. He comes on a program, we're like, this guy's going to fucking hate us. He's got to do. And he'd come on immediately, he said, I know what you guys had to do. I mean, can I talk about this? I've been doing it since my Patriots days.

It feels like I should know what. going on, especially if I'm picking the people. That's just kind of how I operate. I'm not on there telling them what plays to run. I would just like to know what's kind of happening, how I can help out. I've been doing it literally forever. We want a couple of Super Bowls. Okay, with his entire thing. So it was like, it was very fascinating and getting known. Super bright finance guy, whenever it comes to numbers and business and everything like that. And then the way he's been able to seemingly seek the people that he would like in his building has been superb. So I, I'm a big fan of old Paison down there in Houston.

I hate it during the age, he shall. Big fan of Nick as well. And obviously, you know, do you win a Super Bowl? Do you win the championship? How does your quarterback succeed? That's what he's going to be judged off on. But he's always been a great communicator. And him been having a headset on,

he's had his kind of fingerprints all over the organization. His days in New England kind of was a de facto GM at some point. So I love to see him having success in Houston. But, you know, you have a quarterback who we deem as a good franchise level quarterback is going to come down to how much can you win and can you get to the big one and win one. Yeah, I like C.J. Stratt a lot too, AJ. How could you not? I mean, obviously, who would you take instead of him? Like when people want to say that he's falling off wherever, yeah, there's definitely

an ups and downs as an NFL quarterback. But yeah, who are you going to get instead of this guy? Aaron Rogers, maybe. Yeah. He's available. Why did they sign that? What is that? Why did they sign that this whole situation? I know, so what do you think?

Okay, okay, this is, I'm happy you're here. But are they trying to protect themselves? Like, what do they, like, they don't want him going somewhere else? Or they don't want him, like, say somebody gets hurt. He hasn't signed. It's July 29th, and he goes and plays somewhere else. That was trying to, like, protect themselves from that happening? He can't do that, I think, with this thing being sent.

That's what I'm saying, yeah. So if they didn't do that, they think, hey, what if he came on August 10th? Somebody got hurt, and he goes, and all of a sudden he's starting for the Packers again. Well, and I think they're also... That's why they did this. Well, that and also, I think they're trying to allegedly get a compensatory. pick, but the way Casario just said it there, he's like, this is somebody you're trying to keep around or whatever, something like that. I guess there's multiple different ways that this thing

could be used. But if you're Aaron Rogers, how are you viewing it, AJ? My immediate thought was, so I've given this league 23 years of my life. And if I am choosing to become a mercenary at this stage, where I go in after somebody gets hurt, like to your point, first week, sixth week, 10th week, quarterback goes down on a good team, I would like to go do that. Now, I can't do that because of this tender that is somehow in the CBA that I had no idea that existed.

It's a crazy thing that a 23, is this 23 year? A 23 year NFL vet can get slapped a tender on them that's like, yeah, you can play, but you got to do it soon. You got to do that soon. It's like, what if he doesn't want to do that? And there's a chance he doesn't want to do that. And it's like, I don't know. know if this is just going to be, and I appreciate

the Steelers looking out for themselves. You know, every team's got to do what they got to do. But I'd assume Aaron is taking this a certain way. AJ, you would know better than me. Hey, Joe, how do you? I don't know. I would guess that you could also look at it like, hey, this team really wants me back. They really want me. If I'm playing football, they want me on their team. That's how you could look at it.

And also, they're paying me, whatever 10% raise increase. They've made a formal public announcement. You could do that. It's just fascinating that this exists. I don't think I knew of J.K. Dobbins, I guess. had it happen in 2023, I think is what was said or something like, or no, less need to Yeah, it's what 25. Okay, so this has happened before, but like to a quarterback this old

in the NFL who is considered who he is, you know, first ballot hall of famer, we assume. We don't know what first ballot hall of famer looks like anymore. It's like that's an interesting thing to just roll out here on Big GM Tuesday, April 28th. I mean, knowing what we know at this point, I think what everyone knows, like there had to be a conversation. conversation, right? Especially like, you know, I know Mike McCarthy's not the one who's like drawing this up and ultimately making this, like, he knows Rogers. You know, you think he would tell Omar or at least if they hadn't talked, like, you know, maybe we kind of just pump the brakes on this. Like, he might take this the wrong way. AJ, have you heard how

Tony is talking about it all? He's excited for a compensatory thing. Yeah, pretty wild. Yeah. Tony's turned. Tony used to kind of play both ways, you know, and say, oh, you know, he can come back, whatever, but make a decision. Now you're just, you're all out. The vibes are bad. Their vibes are bad. That's why you're wearing all black today? The funeral?

The fias is, yeah. And the vibes are just terrible around the guy. We don't need him. We don't need him. Every time I've been around him. It's been good vibes. Oh, yeah, really? Every Tuesday was good vibes.

Yeah. Okay. Well, there are some that immediately afterwards it got really loud vibes. Exactly. It was really, really. It reminds his football. Hey, that is. And if he doesn't want to play football with Steelers,

fuck them. Okay, but he's not allowed to now. If he makes that decision. after training camp. Well, he should make a decision before training camp. He wants to live his life. What happens

before training camp anyways? Nothing. What happens during training camp? Damn, there, nothing. The guy's going into the 24th year. He can show up September 1st. That's what I'm saying. This is an interesting...

This 22nd year, by the way. Let's not give him extra years. Okay, sorry, we don't know. Those COVID years were worth two. And he didn't start for the first three, so it's technically under 20 years. Okay. Oh, geez.

Whoa. I don't like it either. I don't like what's going on here. This is a first bout all-famer. Cool. Okay, he, you wanted the decision before draft. I think there was a lot of fictitious timelines that were kind of put out into the world

so that I think those timelines were put out, though, so that Aaron would make a decision by those timelines. Because I think like, maybe ownership made one at one point. They're like, we're expecting to hear before draft. That's owner talking publicly about like, hey, this is what we would hope, you know? Now, was there a conversation? with Aaron about that, did Aaron ever say, hey, I'll give you that?

Is Aaron even in contact right now? Like, can you even... America. Yeah, can you even reach him, right? I know we have no idea what an interesting Mount Rushmore quarterback in the history of the NFL, which is what we also have to remember. Mike McCarthy's offense is one that he knows. Pittsburgh's building now is one that he knows.

Feels like he knows everybody in the building still would be a very comfortable, I think a good setup for him to play another year of football, at least maybe one, maybe two more years? Yeah, maybe three more years. Yeah, what? Especially after. He should play tell he's 50.

We won volunteers, not hostages. That coach is not working for at B.C., and he's going to be great on TV. You don't know that. This guy needs to figure it out at the derby. Enough of the, oh, we're just here having fun. We're just shot. It's not going to be weird. Be coy about it.

You don't have to necessarily grill him, but let's get some fucking answers. AJ, the city of Pittsburgh was good to you. There was an AJ Hawk chant. You're from Ohio. You owe them. I love Pittsburgh people. Love the Pittsburgh people. Exactly.

The Pittsburgh people and Aaron knows this. You're right. I got a custom towel with my name on it, but I traded Talk. He has mine. I have Talk. It's a good trade.

We traded at the party. Bill Cowher has mine. I saw that picture, actually. With AJ and Top trading. Oh, they trade their towers? Like a jersey. I didn't see that. Both had a good night out there.

You know, you guys laid it all out there. I appreciate you guys. swapping towels. Bill Cowher took mine. You had a video of it. Yes. Because I was wondering where mine went and then I watched your video and I was like, oh, I never got that. Coach Cower currently has that. Just kept it. Me and DeBone actually got left out. We did

not receive towels together. DeBone did the Cody Rhodes situation. How about Cody calling him DeBone on national television? What do you mean? I just love it. I just love Cody bringing DeBone into the storyline. Like he's going to be

there in a squared circle soon enough. DeBone? The bones? I don't know. Sports Center. That wasn't what it was. That wasn't what it was at all. And what did we learn about the American nightmare?

He's the one. He might be the one. He might be the one. He might be one. We threw everything out of that way ahead. Everything. Everything. Yeah.

I agree. The before the bell. Could have never expected that. No. Main event, WrestleMania. No asshole would do that. None. He could have never expected that.

I'm up to my old tricks again. Bang, I get him. Then he turned that on me. He kicked me. Yeah, he was launched out of the ring. He was on me, his boots. Head on buckle down there. Yeah, actually. Actually, that was almost it for me. Nobody's talking about it.

Went through a couple pairs of sunglasses. Yeah. That night. Obviously, those things are broke. Nice ones. Nice ones. Not from Amazon. No. Not three, four.

$5.5,000. No. You're a three, four, five thousand. Yeah. No, I don't want people thinking I pay that much. Don't pay that much for sunglasses. There is. Very nice, very cheap sunglasses out there.

It was a long night. But Cody Road, somehow, very end. I mean, I was gonna. Oh, yeah. I don't know if it would have counted. I do, I do one. I think it would have. Brian Westbrook's kid asked me why I ran you or got me, you know.

And said to Mark Ingram's kid. You know, they asked me the same question as soon as they saw me. Hey, why Ray. I guess I should have kind of faster. Like that's what I should have done. But I thought Cody was donezo. So I was trying to just enjoy a moment. Yeah, exactly.

Ah. Paying almost to the holster. Boom. You know, I was trying. I was really feeling. I wanted to make sure we're all very clear about where I was on that count. If it was one or if it was two or if there was a fake one that came in earlier. Because I don't think a lot of people had eyes on that particular count with where

everybody ended up at. So, you know, we're trying to get that thing loud out there. And then that's, if I hit that. that three there. You know, oh, he kicked out. Wow, what a thing. If I hit that three, Randy Orger's champion? He's the champion.

James 7. I had a ref shirt on. It would have been better if you would hit that three. There's no bell. And you're trying to call it. You're saying it's over. And no one's acknowledging it at all. That's on one.

That would have been nice. Tyrese Halliburton asked me that immediately afterwards. He was like, so if you would have got the three, like, what happens? I'm like, I'm going to range. That's champion. And then he said, who said that? I was like. Tyree's a wearing a red shirt.

Yeah. Three count. Did he not see the stripes? I think he didn't think I was like a official ref. Sanctions. You got certified. That was actually a little bit of a problem in one of the states, actually. Not all that physicality without having a little bit of something, but when you see

Kelly Rhodes down, you can't help yourself. You know, hey, is there anything happening? No, no, no, no. All good, all good, all good. Just talk, just talk. Now you're not. down forever forever forever that sucks moment of silence maybe then now gone forever damn it was a good run it was fun road yeah my travel chief's back which is kind of a little bit

of a bummer now I'm gone he said he's going to be here all summer he did a Michael Jordan taping yeah there it is that run yeah I'm a genius I'm a genius I'm a genius I'm a genius I'm a genius One Two That was a slow Oh, you're so close Right he was so mad Right there he's like

Why did he's count faster You do shit We didn't know that at the time No That that's what he was thinking Right there he's thinking you've Looking back on it though What the fuck

He's laughing Yeah voices Oh my God What move by Randy They're both bleeding out there Yeah Mm-hmm They really left it all in the map

didn't they? Well, it's one in tears. So were you on the medical table? Like, you just had gotten strapped up, still doing your, like, what, what? Yeah. Before you hit the. Yeah.

They were, I just, yeah. They had scanned me up a couple times. I got CT, MRI, and x-rays. Were you in the referee locker? Is that where you grab a shirt? No, I ran by it. Nice. As I was watching, I'm like, you know what?

There's a chance. These boys are really getting after it. They're both bleeding, you know? I knew there was a possible chance. I was stretch it out earlier already because jelly roll, jelly rolled me. And I got hit with Crossroads before a match even started. Yeah.

I mean, it was really from the beginning all the way to the very end, nightmare situation for me. My American nightmare happened in Las Vegas as I got, but I mean. You told it major that punch telegraph. Vicious attacks. Yeah, I got to stop trying to punch like that. But yeah, I was in the back, CT scan, MRI, and an x-ray. Didn't get any scans back because I had to get up and bounce. Obviously, scans were coming back on Tuesday.

So I had to get up and get out there. I'd let people know I was okay. because my family might be watching but to everybody here this is how i feel steen you need to understand that oh jee what a great run i didn't even see my shoulder was really up oh yeah i didn't know i had that much energy because i thought my body you that's why i was kind of stretch i hope they got this video you just on unreal or something snatching the shirt it's in the bag they should they got cameras everywhere there yeah i even grabbed the neck thing i was like is this the thing and they yeah put that on right now. Now I did.

Yeah, I ran. Snaghy a referee shirt, took my shirt off. I was running through the back. Saw some people that were certain. What you say about the business? Yeah. I was talking to you. Running through there, you know, get up through guerrilla. Oh, look what happened. Just as I thought.

And then all of a sudden, Randy looks at me and it's like, you're, I'm the one. Get ready. Come, Randy. And then I tell Randy, genius, I'm a fucking Jesus, just like I said. That's what I'm doing there. So, yeah, I'd say, I don't know, how long it takes me to run that 300, whatever, however long that was. 10 seconds. Four and a half seconds.

I was kind of gliding a little bit. I was kind of good. Thought you had wheelies on for a second. Jesus Christ. This guy's flying down the ramp. Could you have your wheelies down there? I do. The knees, I'm pretty pumped about the knees, you know, the science of scienceing there.

Yeah, I was feeling pretty good. But that's what I was doing. You're right. I was on a train table. Wait on school. A little slow? Yeah. You think it was slow?

Is that why? I mean, let's take a look at the count. Yeah, well, Randy, I think, got really mad because of how slow the count. He's already got him cover. And one, two, ha, ha. Oh, how did you? Because you imagine how good that third one looked. I'm with you.

I was trying to put it through the ring. Pocel got nuts. Yeah. Like Tiger backing off a swing when he hears a noise in the back. Like on that. third one you were about to smack the rent mat and you saw him kick out and you boom you didn't make contact i don't know about any of that i don't know about you know about i was just trying to live off the moment a little bit yeah i was about to save the business right there in front of my

broken neck yeah it's mania all right let's get the hell out of here what do we not talk about today uh the kentucky guy oh yeah guy who was saved by young hooku yeah young waku this is a a massive story where you know something bad happens you think but then it actually just get you to a place where you get inspected basically for everything else and all of a sudden

holy hell we have a life-saving situation miss kick for a young way leads this man to obviously lose a little bit yeah Kentucky man was watching the Monday night football game Giants Patriots we all remember it Youngway who actually didn't even miss the kick

it was actually a little to fumble because he did not hit the ball. He hit the ground before the ball. Man in Kentucky watching the game in his own home, in his bed with his wife, starts hysterically laughing to the point of seizing, starts to have a seizure. His wife, who I believe either works in a hospital.

She calls 911 immediately. He goes to said hospital, gets a CT scan done, reveals a tennis ball-sized tumor in his brain. Benign, not cancerous. They remove it. Basically saved his life because Young Way, who missed that kick so miserable.

That's an incredible thing. Yeah, that's awesome. And Youngway didn't know at the time he was potentially doing that. And it got loud for Young Way. Oh, yeah. A lot of people questioned a lot of things. How can you be a kicker just in general? A professional kicker and missed the ball.

Lots of his job. Yeah, he was a public scrutiny on. Long Way Coo was really high. He was down in Atlanta. People loved him. Then he has a duff like this. People go crazy. I don't think he thought the hold was going to get down.

He was trying to check his swing, you know. And the hump at first was like, Yes, he did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. And the internet did as well. So I'm happy that good came from that terrible day for Youngway. I hope he finds solace in that.

Yeah, I'm sure he does. I'm sure he's looking at that and said, you know what? That was the most important kick of my life. And I'd even touch the ball. Week three, the Ravens will face the Cowboys in Rio de Janeiro. They played down there to start the season. It was the Chiefs and the Chiefs and Chargers did. The year before it was Eagles Packers.

Okay, so we've played a couple times now down in Brazil. This game will be electrifying. Dak Prescott saw him bopping into work. He looked like he was jacked up. He did have a little pet. He looked lighter. He looked lighter. He looked jacked up about life.

going to be his best defense. Yeah, he's going. Pickens almost signed his tag. Yeah, well. He's jacked up about it. Will George Pickens be a part of this week three game in Rio de Janeiro? Let's go around the room. This is the question of the day.

George Pickens is thinking about doing his franchise tag, even though we were certainly told that he signed his franchise tag, which led us to believe maybe he's going to get traded. Now, if he signs a franchise tag, Dallas Cowboys could do it every one. He's locked in for at least a year, maybe another. If he doesn't show up, it doesn't count as a year, so he's got him in the next year. And you can get franchise tag twice. Yes, you can.

Okay, you used to be able to get franchise tag in an unlimited amount of times. Then you'd get your franchise tag three times. Now you can get a franchise tag twice. George Pickens can choose to use one of the franchise tag years, which is Dallas Cowboys said he was going to play under, but Mulligette is his agent. That just doesn't feel like it's a real thing. DeButch, is George Pickens playing in Rio de Janeiro week three with the Dallas Cowboys against the Ravens?

It's hard to guess what Jerry Jee's. Jones is ever going to do. That year last year was unbelievable. You got one of highest paid wide receivers already, the highest paid quarterback in the league, APY. I'm going to say no. He will not be a Cowboy. No, George Pickens would not be a Dallas Cowboy.

He's not on the graphic. If you did see, he is not on the graphic for Rio de Janeiro. Let's go to one half of the Hammer, Dan. Cowboys, A.B. Tone, you have an AP vote for all the awards in the NFL. We need to start looking into those about the biases that are potentially happening within those votes for sure. Not saying for you, Tarn. Maybe, though. Actually, what do we know? We don't really know anymore. Do you think George Pickens will be playing for the Cowboys in Brazil?

Butsy said it's hard to know what Jerry's going to do. It's also hard to know what George is going to do. So, no, I don't think that's going to happen. Okay, so that's two knows. Let's go to the toxic table at Boss Conner, at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you first. Do you think George Pickens will be playing the Ravens in Brazil? April 28th right now, that is an awful lot of time for George Pickens to raise hell, raise a ruckus, do whatever he's going to do. No, I do not think he's going to be a Dallas Cowboy. Okay, like Michael Parsons, you think he's going to be on his way out. You obviously reap the benefits of that in the Green Bay Packers organization, traded a couple picks for it, but I think you would say job well done to, uh, policy,

and policy. Yeah, and policy. Ed's policy up there, Carmon's boy, obviously. Boston Connor, do you think George Pickens is with the Dallas Cowboys? I think so. Yeah. Just because the flash, the flare, everything that Jerry loves. And look, it is April 28th. And we've heard Jerry say it like, hey, I'll stir some shit up just so people are talking about the Cowboys. Shit, I don't care. And Pickens with CD Lamb, it's an entertaining brain of football.

Let me ask you what's the most, the highest viewed regular season game in the history of football? Oh, Cowboys Chiefs Thanksgiving. And George Piggins was on that field. And he knows, hey, people love this guy. Now that Dak is walking in like that, You think Dak's that happy if he knows that George Pickens isn't going to be there? Dak, is that happy because he knows he's got the best damn tandem in the entire league?

Jeremy Fowler says last week, the Cowboys received verbal commitment via email from George Pickens' agents that the star receiver is signing his franchise tag. He has yet to sign the tender, as Todd Archer has reported. Dallas still has no plans to trade him. Now, that email there that they received that said he's going to sign his franchise tag is what sent every insider into a frenzy saying George Pickens signed the franchise tag. It's just kind of how it was being reported day of the draft,

which led us to think he's going to get traded. AJ Hawk, you're the final one to give your official... Go ahead. Is an email verbal? There's a voice memo in it. He signed it. Yeah, I am. You think that's an email?

Yeah, that's it. Is there a subject or no subject? Or you think it says GP. GP. GP. F. GPFT question mark. It's a subject. I think there has to be urgent.

We them boys. Urgent, we them boys. That could be. It's pretty catchy. Yeah, immediately you're like, oh shit, let's listen to this. AJ, what are your thoughts on George? What are your thoughts on them boys, the cowboys, and George Pickens' his relationship with him? I do not believe he will be there

week three in Brazil. I think he eventually signs his franchise tag and gets traded. What if he gets traded to the Ravens? Okay, that's the possibility. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. You're right? Yeah, I guess there's only 13. And then the Ravens back out. Oh, because that's what they do. Yeah. Oh.

There's also a chance he's on the Cowboys and he's just jacking around and misses the flight down there and play the game. Like in Vegas. He's on team. Yeah. I could have. I had played the week week two. Yeah, and plays week four. Goes to check out the favelas. Man, I didn't have my passport.

Yeah, exactly. Do you guys have a passport? That whole process is redundant, I would say. And it's an oversight because he's not technically on the team, so they didn't check to see if he had his passport for this game. Yeah, because they can't put him on the graphics. They can't do anything at this point. I like that one.

Fuck. GP, you need your passport. I think you need to get that just in case. Or is he going to raise hail? I think GP's got a lot of hail raising. I think so, too. I think so too. I genuinely believe that. All right. Let's get the hell out of here, shall we?

There's a new addition to the desk here at L.A. Dodgers' cap. This is a tribute to Bob Kavoyan of the Bob and Tom show, the man that did my wedding, a man who I moved into a house across town to be a neighbor of alongside his wife, Becky, and his brother-in-law Frank and the entire crew over there, a man who has literally been a part of every single step of my... microphone talking life. A lot of people know I got my start with Bob and Tom. They are a radio show, a morning radio show here in Indianapolis, Indiana that was syndicated to 180 different stations at one point, 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. Eastern and every person that

drove a truck like my dad did and everybody that was around any of these cities knew exactly who Bob and Tom were. I knew who they were because they had a little bit of a run on the Q, the seat, the WB network. maybe whenever I was in high school they would run at night so I'd known them from the car and I'd known them from watching their show and when I get to Indianapolis I know that they are in town and I'm this this massive fan I actually know who they are every single comedian in the history of comedy stopped through their studio they owned it outright totally they were a lot of people claimed to be an inspiration for this particular show the Bob and Tom show is the inspiration for

this show. And Bob was a guy who inspired me and motivated me to do everything. The first time I did stand-up is because Bob Cavoion said you could do it. The first time I did this show, Bob Covellion was the one he said you could do it. It wrote for me, texted me, sent me stuff alongside Becky. In the Thunderdome, in our old office, he came through, wanted to help.

This is just from not too long ago. He had been battling cancer for a while. They were taking, he was taking some off the books trials to maybe fix it. And I think everybody around them kind of understood what was kind of happening in front of our eyes. And I think he knew it as well. And he ended up being a Hall of Famer in the radio world. And he was somebody that was really special to everything that I'm doing and everything that I am. I will miss the shit out of him as he passed away as we're heading out to WrestleMania.

and everything's been such a blur, and I wanted to wait until we had the hat here on the desk to really pay him his tribute that he deserves. But I love Bob Cavoian. Bob Covellian is a huge piece of my entire life puzzle, my entire life journey, and he'll be remembered forever by me as a man that helped me in every single stage of basically my professional existence.

So I love him. Rest in peace, Bob, to Becky, to his entire family. I'm so sorry that you guys have obviously had to go through this. The way he went out was with his best friends surrounding him, his wife surrounding him. They're listening to a Beatles album, and this is his favorite, they're a super musical family. He loved music.

He made songs. Actually, the last time he was in here, he made a song, which is hilarious to think about what his final words were, which is like, so him. They listened to this album, and I guess literally he took his last breath as the last song was kind of wrapping up with his friends and family surrounding him.

And he's a wonderful man. And I was lucky to know him, thankful to know him. And I'm sure he's smoking 4,000 cigarettes in heaven right now. I assume he is doing that. But yeah, we love you, Bob. You did good, man. I appreciate the hell out of you, Bob.

Yeah, he was awesome, man. Yes, he was. He was cool, dude. Just such a smart ass all the time. Such a smart. I mean, his house. You had to push a nipple to get to it. You know, like to get to a back room that he had, which was the studio.

They had, like, hidden. It was, like, everything about his life was just, like, thought out, funny, fun. You know, like, everything about him. His time, every time I was around him was great. And I'm thankful for him. I'm very, very thankful for him. But this will be for him. And also, I mean, it sucks that he's not going to be able to watch fucking shit.

show hey, you know, in this team right now. But I know he loved experiencing everything that happened with the Dodgers. He was a huge Colts fan. The Bob and Tom show so fascinating. They started in Michigan, Tom Griswold, Bob Kvoyan. They started in Michigan. They come down to Indianapolis to kind of run their shit. Then they start creating them business-wise.

They start this show, this morning show. They start getting guests. They start really taking over Indianapolis, Indiana. They start doing really well. And then all of a sudden they start syndicating their show. And all of a sudden, they go after to go to Syria at the same time, Howard Stern got offered. They stayed on free radio just because they wanted to hit everybody in the drivers because Sirius wasn't as big yet. And they maintained that throughout. Tom Griswold,

Chick McGee, Christy, I think Sam Griswold, Tom's kid, they're still doing the show right now. They're still doing this, still doing free radio in the morning. And they're just like absolute legends. And they took care of me and kind of set us up. And Bob was literally the biggest supporter of all the time. Some comedian came in to Bob and Tom show. and he had these questions listed out in front of him and then his answers and then they were handed

we were all handed the questions okay this is a comedian that I was like a big fan of comes in the studio and then lo and behold I don't say anything but I'm watching these people just ask the question and then I'm watching him read answer

read joke okay the next one then next one all good jokes I would say but then my me had thought I was like, well, who wrote that? Like, who, and I thought we were, you know, I thought it was anything. I almost felt like, you know, like K-Fab. I almost felt like K-Fabe.

I was like, oh, no, like this is how this goes. I grew up in a car. I was in a car a lot. So like talk radio and stuff like that. I almost felt like, oh, no, this is one of those, like, cheating husband, like, gimmick character. I didn't know. I thought this was like, this entire thing. So I was like, Matt.

I didn't fucking know that. I can't trust anybody anymore. Like, what is the deal here? Bob goes, a lot of these comedians, they've got other people writing their shit, they're just incredibly at delivering or whatever. He can't judge them for it. That's their fucking thing. They don't write the song, they just sing it or whatever.

He goes, if stand-up comedy you think it's so easy for you to, I'll write the shit, you do it, or we can write it, you do it, why don't you do that? I was like, fuck you, I'll do it. He goes, all right, let's go. And we run out in theater. That is literally, he helped me write the entire thing. And then we did uncaged, we filmed it. And that was literally like kind of our relationship.

It started from that. Everything we did, he was like helping and writing and sending ideas. Because whenever you're on the air doing radio, especially 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. trying to fill time. I mean, that's before internet. That's before that you're just trying to fill time. So many ideas for things that could cross over into internet. You know, like, hey, we did this. And even if it wasn't the exact idea, it's like, oh, that's a good premise to kind of build off of. It was like, he's just always helped, always, literally since day one.

And yeah, the world will miss him. The world will miss him. But he did good, man. Absolute legend. Absolute fucking. Yeah. Actually. Legit.

So many cigarettes. Beast. I mean, cigarettes did exactly what they said. Yeah. You know, like cigarettes did exactly what he thought and said they were going to do, you know? And I think he said, yeah, well, that's just,

they moved him into vapes. Yeah. Because he was told, like, hey, better alternative here. He was just blowing. Mowing him down. I mean, just blowing him down. through the he lived he did brother he fucking did legit and uh he was always humble like never he was very nice to the bugle boys which yeah big time always always always appreciative and his backyard

just had like a par three over a like he was just like everything was like hey let's have a good time pool like let's have a good time house the way it set up let's have a good time we got this let's have it was just always like such a fucking hmm he's the world lost a good one and becky who is his tag team partner. I mean, they were like a perfect tag team there. Sad man. But his life, we shall continue because you have to. Yeah. We love you, Bob. We miss you, Bob. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. Let's do the sports tomorrow in the biggest way. Six games tonight. Let's have it. Let's have NBA playoff here. Here we go. If they're still happening, the series is are good. Yeah. NHL, if they're still happening, serieses are good. So let's remember

that as we're watching these things. Now, if teams are just slaughtering teams tonight, night like that could happen in basketball there's 11.5, 12 and a half points for tonight. There's some potential ass beatings on the way. Just take back everything I just said and let's just go tomorrow. We'll say tomorrow is going to be awesome. But let's assume there's going to be great shit tonight out of the playoffs. Let's assume the NFL is going to continue to cook. Golf is happening in a huge way, which we were obviously pumped up about. F1's taking place. Indy car just started, I think, their shit for the Indy 500. Okay. So NASCAR. It is almost May just a few days away. NASCAR's in the middle of its season. I think there's a guy,

Bill would know this better. There's a man named Cletus. Cletus. My name's Pat. This is AJ. D. Butt. What up, Cletus? That's one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP tone. Toxic tables here at Boss Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Boys are back there. Graphics design boys. I believe he is a NASCAR driver, but also a YouTuber. Baylon McComers, who has a shattered ankle, explained. to me who this lad is. Incredible name. I've had multiple people tell me that we need to link up with him. I've heard he's putting on an event over in Brownsburg, which I used to live next to. There's a drag strip over there that they race, and it's loud. You know, like Todd Monkin talked

about the music at practice, and the neighbors, we asked for him and turn it down. He said, you need to move living in Brownsburg, which I did. This strip, whenever it was operating, very loud, very cool. I've been there before. A lot of booze over there watching a lot of horsepower. kind of showcase. I guess Cletus is putting together an event over there. Hey, we'd love to say what's up dude. We'd love the chitchat. I think he's a youtubeing racer person. Excited to get his thoughts on G1. Yeah, yeah, Cletus. Yeah, I'm excited to hear what Cletus has to say about G1 racing. I'm excited about it. It's pinnacle. We know. Sorry, no. It's called the Indy 800 Burnout Rivals.

Cletus and cars and Indy 800, returning May 1st. in May 2nd, 2006. Cleetus and Cars event details. Let's go ahead and scroll down there. Let's get some infos on this. Burnout rivals. Can you go over the burnout rivals part? Bill just crouched back here.

Bill, sit your ass down. On Saturday, May 2nd, the fan favorite Cletus and Cars burnout rivals were returned with both a professional and open competition. Pink slips may be going. Oh. Maybe, maybe in the open.

Registration is now open for the professional and open competition portion of the event through Freedom Factory. Entries are $100 bucks, and each ride is subject to approval from Freedom Factory before admittance into the event. Each entry includes a burnout vehicle, driver, and tow vehicle. All burnout rival competitors must follow these rules. One, helmet, two, neck collar. Need those.

Three, fire suit. Okay, so what the fuck is this? Yeah, so this is incredible. So they pour a dedicated little bit of concrete, and then it's just you can either be an open person that comes in and brings a vehicle, or there's like some professionals to come around and do it. It's incredible. There's just rubber flying everywhere. You can't breathe anything.

It's great. Okay. They pour. It's a fresh pat of concrete, like in the middle of the drag strip. Okay. So that way they don't mess up the drag strip at all. But then they will also, the one year that I went, they were doing drag pulls. They did bring out some of the rocket cars to do the drag.

It's just a great time hanging out at the drag ship. Okay. So it's a lot of horsepower on display at the drag strip. Yeah. Okay, which I respect. I also appreciate them saying, hey, we pour new concrete so you actual people don't get pissed off at us. That's putting out a lot of fires. We have to do that.

in our world. Are these like nitrous rush cars? Like is Nick getting his Subi Impresa in there or with the carbon fiber hood and the fart bucket on the back? Is he getting in there? It can be anything. So like I saw there was like a guy that had like a Ford F, I think it was like a 650 that he turned into a burnout vehicle. It's also people that just bring in little like Honda Civics that are juiced to the gills just to do burnouts. It's pretty good time. Okay. So it's Burnout Fest, not race. They're not drag stripping against each other. They're burning out against each other. They will also do the drags. I don't think. you can do open on the drags. I wasn't there while they were doing open on the drags at least.

I was just there for Burnout Fest. And then they also do the Freedom. I think it's 800, which is all Crown Vicks. And it's a bunch of YouTubers or notable people that actually race an 800 mile banging Crown Vicks. Are you in there? Is that because of the ankle injury, you're not going to be able to do it? Yeah. Unfortunately, I had to get on the IR. I have to miss out. W.D. The Indy 800. I'll tell you, I have inhaled some fumes at this Bridge, Brownsburg track,

it's a good time. I don't think I've ever seen somebody have a bad time at this place. Oh, just Cletus. Young guy.

Come on, 20s. What would be named after? Yeah, there's chance. What is it? Is this part of it? Monster trucks?

I was gonna say if monster trucks are fucking running over a car. Yeah. Is that great digger? They got it all. I went two years ago. This is last year.

This is last year. That's incredible. This is Cleetus is in Friends thing? Is this? Yeah, it's a two-year thing. Bruce pulled it up. I think this is the highlights from last year.

Oh, Cletus. I like what we're doing all of a sudden. I like what we're doing all of a sudden. In the 800 qualifying, huh? Oh, they're just going in a tight little circle over there. All right, Cletus. We'd love a chat about it. If you want to come through, come on through.

We can race something in here, probably. Oh, yeah, for sure. We can race something in here. Yeah, why not? Chairs. Maybe we're rocking on it. RC cars. We can get maybe Tim McAfee to come in here.

and Tim Allen this thing, maybe put a little rocket power on couple of these chairs. You know what I mean? Go down in a basement. You know, the whole fucking thing. I don't think about it. I was Tim Allen doing it? You still bringing it?

Oh, yeah. Never stopped. Never stopped. Yeah, Tim Allen could sell out a theater in any city he wanted for the rest of his life, I think. So I think he has... Toy Story 5 just dropped a new trailer today. Looks great.

And also, I think... Nope. Nope. Nope, no. I was not the time. Yeah, I know where you're going. Yeah, you're right. Hold on to that one.

Yeah, we'll keep that one. Right there. You know, sometimes whenever we're at this super duper sudy events, you like hear stuff from people. And it's like, I don't think I'm supposed to hear it. Yeah. All time. Big news about shifting gears or?

Great show. Yeah. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Do you have friends. A friend, tell a friend, something nice in my chair. Where did you see? ABC.

Great work in the back, boys. Great work back there. Yeah, big thumbs up. Those new toy story sucked, too. Fuck you. Fuck you. That is not me at all. The first three was unbelievable.

Okay, okay. You read the same tweet. Four was great. You guys read the same tweet this morning. And now you're all just, yeah, you know what, they're right. I didn't see this tweet. I'm in the middle of Toy Story with my daughter. Spangup.

It's a good run. Four's bad. Stop at three. Four is not bad at all. But it does. It's not bringing the requisite juice that one through three do. Disagree. In my humble opinion.

Forky. sucks. Five, they're getting the juice, man. Three is not great. iPad. Three is great. Three is not. That's a nice little, nice, best of good. Raps the whole trilogy up. It's like the cardish.

It's not trilogy if there's four or five. Oh, yeah, I shouldn't have been. Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you. You. We'd like to give a big thanks to you.

We couldn't do this without you. Prick? Of course. I'd be pointing in the wrong direction. No, you're not. All right, straight ahead. See, AJ doesn't want to show love to you.

Okay, okay, AJ'd show a little bit of love to. You. It's really all about you. We love, we appreciate it. Where were you, AJ? AJ don't want to show love to. You. Oh, okay, you didn't know that one.

Wow, what a hero. Be your friend, tell the friends. That's nice about changing your life. We're doing this thing together. We'll see you tomorrow. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three. Goodbye!