The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1543 - Mark Schlabach, Philadelphia Flyers Head Coach Rick Tocchet, Danny Green, Pete Thamel, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk and the boys recap last night’s unreal NHL action as the Flyers eliminated the Penguins and the Golden Knights won a 2 OT thriller against the Mammoth, as well as all the playoff NBA action including the Rockets staying alive against the Lakers, and everything else happening across the NFL and the sports world as a whole. They are also joined by several incredible guests including ESPN golf and college football writer Mark Schlabach; 3x Stanley Cup Champion, 11 year NHL veteran, Jack Adams award winner, and current Head Coach of the Philadelphia Flyers Rick Tocchet; 15 year NBA veteran, 3x NBA Champion and current ESPN NBA analyst, Danny Green; and the Authority of college football and basketball, the incomparable Pete Thamel. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humbley Bo, the Thunderdown on this Thank You, Penns Thursday. April 30th, 20, 26. This sports program begins now. Sports! Our fantastic and obviously a unifier in something that brings happiness into everybody's lives, especially when your team is winning. And that is why this particular Thursday is called, Thank you Penn's Thursday, you know, because the Pittsburgh Penguins, uh, led by these three icons of sport. These three, three-time Stanley Cup champions, these three who've played 3,924 games together, accruing 3,974 points with 1,365 goals, three consmised,

three hearts, 20 years together, longest-tenured trio in North America Pro Sports. And if it's over, after what happened last night, I just want to say thank you to them. Obviously, we've developed a little bit of a kinship with them here. over the last year or so of this entire run, both for the Penguins and our program. Always fan from afar, never got a chance to really meet them. And last night they're saying it might be the last time that they play. And the people that did it to us were the Philadelphia Flyers.

It was a great game. A phenomenal game. Golly standing on their heads. Back and forth, we went. The boys battling. Oh, Gino Malkin, whenever he gets off the bus to arrive at the arena, actually takes two steps and some little John over there says, You suck, Gio!

It was war. They were battling on the ice. The pens had a chance to do something special, but instead, in overtime, a perfectly sauced Cam York shot goes tink and in. And the flyers send the penguins to Cancun. Now, I don't love the immediate reaction. from everybody that is associated from Philadelphia. This was late, obviously, this was late.

Long night for me and the family yesterday. But obviously watch Penn's Flyers, especially with Sidney Crosby, about to accomplish something and only four teams had done in the past, which has come back from being down 3-0. The boys showed fight, the boys showed grit. But this Philadelphia Flyers team did as well.

And last night, N-O-T, Cam York. Late night, okay? This is late. Not as late. There's other games that are later. Oh, yeah. Sports are really doing a number for third shifters, you know? It's really kind of moving along. FaceTime immediately from Shane Gillis.

Okay? Come on. My wife's sleeping. I'm not answering that. Right. Yeah. Then I get texted immediately. Coward.

Okay? From him. Coward immediately because I don't answer the call. Hadn't heard from during the Sydney Crosby comeback era of this entire thing. Then I get text from other Johns. Ha! Ha! Bum!

Gritty's dumb-ass face getting sent to me. Different AI. of Gritty doing stuff. Oh, come on. That's gross. That's gross. That's gross. Not just the penguins, by the way.

Pittsburgh heroes. Can't happen. I don't even want to tell you what they're doing Mr. Rogers in some of these photos. Seriously? Yeah, it's a Pennsylvania. These people know us. They know stuff about us.

Gardell, you leave him out. There was no Billy Gardell slander. And quite surprisingly, no Brett Michael's slander. Really? Which I will say, that's Brett Michaels. University of love. Yeah, you're right. That is all it is.

But it got loud. And then the Philadelphia Flyers let me know that they've been listening. Yep. Yeah. They quote tweeted me saying, Cindy Crosby and 7 from days ago. Before Sid started cooking and coming back, and the boys started going crazy.

Dining out. They even take our shit in there. And that was a good job putting the jersey on. Classic CHATGEPT operation. It does appear right there. So I got massive respect for the play. And now Governor Shapiro is going to expect me to wear a suit. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Got to get one of those. Right. They got to get one of those. Certainly, once I do, I will wear it and I'll do the entire. I'll even do a gubernatorial address. Okay. Yes, as you could.

I will do one of those in the entire. Maybe enter the race. But I would like to say, as a person that was saying, the flyers are ass. And as somebody who has always gotten the opportunity to go on a microphone and celebrate the flyers being ass and the pens being great, I would like saying in this moment of Haas and some humble pie. And in this moment of getting a chance to get eyes on your guys' team, last Monday when we were there, you got some dogs on this team. Yeah.

They're cold-blooded. They're big, they're strong, they're fast. This 74 character, he doesn't get talked about. I never heard this guy. I didn't know this guy existed 74. Kippets, his name, almost scored in every time, almost did a lot of things. I guess he was the number one overall pick way back in a day,

was what the Florida Panthers gets traded up to the Flyers. Obviously, the Panthers have success, okay, after he leaves. He sees all that. This who's 27 years old. He's the fastest guy on the eye. I've never seen somebody be as fast as this guy is. And he's orange. He looks like the, who's old buddy in the back of Santa Claus? Not Santa Claus.

Christmas story in the back hall. Scotty Farcus. This guy is Scotty Farcus. This guy is Scotty Farcus. He is Scotty Farcus, but he's faster than everybody. He's unbelievable. They got a 19-year-old kid that was just playing college hockey a month and a half ago. He almost scored overtime last night.

Then he got Sanheim, this guy. He looked me in the eyes. I feel like I was looking at eyes of a killer. Sure. Goalie upside down on his head last night. Outrageous. And then the coach, talk it, he's a Pittsburgh penguin hero. Okay?

So I don't know how to, now, I don't think we should just be huck and sticks into a crowd of people. I think that's fair. But the Flyers haven't had a lot of success. And I would assume the Flyers fan that almost got decapitated. I bet you that thing was snapped in half, multiple people taking pieces at home. I assume that it's going to be a celebratory piece. They just knock out the penguins, maybe break up the longest tenured trio in North American

sport history from the other side of the state. And they continue on their journey to Lord Stanley Cup. So I would just like to give a shout out to the Philadelphia Flyers for being a good team, being a gritty team too. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm pretty great. A lot of face washing. Sure.

There's a lot of shenanigans, which there should be coming out of Philly. head coach of the flyers, Rick Tuckett. We'll be joining us in about 34 minutes. Okay. Is he running our social media? He might be. Hey, you got your Twitter fingers on that thing, Rick? Is this from your back pocket, just so I know?

And also, hey, you know everything about the Pence. Okay, coach these boys played, you know everything. Do you think that potentially helped? And is that cheating? Should you be allowed to do that? These are all the things I have to ask. But also, NHL playoffs right now, five serieses are left after the Flyers punch their ticket last night. The other two series

that are over were sweeps. Everything that's happening from here on out, very, very important games, both in the NHL and the NBA. Tonight there'll be five games. All of them have go-on implications or get-your-ass-home implications. The NHL, any game that's happening, go-on or get-your-ass

home implications. This is when playoff sports are at its absolute finest or worst if your team gets booted, and then you get called a card for not answering your phone immediately upon somebody wanted to celebrate in your face. This is what sports are for.

The NFL is always cooking. They have things happening. Major League Baseball is doing its thing. And don't look now, Major League Volleyball taking over. Hell yeah. We got delivered a gift package today by the Indy Ignite show. They're in a Major League volleyball league. It's over here in Fishers.

No one of the league. Of course. They got a mascot named Pepper. Because in volleyball, you pepper. I think baseball, you guys, pepper as well, back and forth. I guess we got the number one team in the league. at eight teams, going to have 11 teams. Each, the salaries range

from 65,000 to like 125,000, 16, 15, 16, women on each roster. It's like, not bad. Pretty legit. And then we look at what's going on in Nebraska. I think the attendance at this is real. So I think I appreciate them coming through here and giving us a gift package, but also yeah, there it is. Hey, congratulations.

Here we go. Keep it going. It's on to the off. That's pepper right there with the orange hair. That's the mascot. Everybody else on there? So good. Biont. Bownstacket. Sports of the great. Sports are the great. Yeah, that's right. Bomset spike. That's the way we like it. Certainly. The talks at tables here at Boston.

Connor at Ty Schmidt. Boston, obviously, in the middle of it all. How do you feel, pales? How do you feel about the playoffs? And also, whenever you're looking at games or parlayes to potentially hit, what do we need to be seeing at this point? Because Philly in Penn's, a little cagey affair last night. Oh, yeah.

Very cagey. You know, no, let's not make too many mistakes. Let's not go ahead and lose this one. It's a big one. Felt a little bit tighter for the pens earlier than it had the previous two games. Previous two games when the pens started mounting a comeback, felt a little freer through the entirety. Last night, it felt like it was kind of tense.

All these have playoff implication, go home or go out type stuff. What would you be looking at, Conman? And as a gambler and a fan at the same time, what are your worries as you go ahead? I mean, with the NHO, I feel like especially because all these series are three, two. Your best bet is damn near. Hey, overtime. You know, two of the three last night between the Golden Knights and the Mammuth, they went to

double overtime. Great game. Obviously Philly versus Pittsburgh, they go to overtime. The Canadians versus the Lightning, they have their fourth straight three-two game. They probably could have went to overtime. Three of the first five have gone to overtime. So,

overtime in the playoffs, especially in these series that are so close, everyone's battling so much. That's probably the best bet in hockey because you could say, hey, we'll just take the home team. What are we talking about here? That kind of seems like the simple bet. No, it's not. Not in hockey. Basically, every single series has had a victory on the road already. And then with the NBA, it's damn near the complete opposite. For the NBA, you think every other night, do you take the heavy favorite or do you take the underdog? Last night, every single underdog

covers. Only one underdog actually wins outright with the Lakers losing, which is pretty nuts. But It is very difficult to navigate these gambling water. The NBA has six series left. Obviously, last night, the underdogs all covered. There are some wild spreads yesterday. We had been chatting about how crazy the spreads were for the playoffs. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Don't.

Cowboys-A.P. Tone, you said yesterday, it feels like the lines were set up for how the regular season was for these teams, as opposed to what the postseason had been. What did you see last night? Congratulations, the underdogs. We love when the dogs are barking out there, brother. Yeah, we were talking about it yesterday. just like the calves in Toronto before last night was 2-2,

and then obviously the Pistons were down three to one going in that game, and they were double-digit favorites. Caves were almost double-digit favorites. I think it closed at nine and a half, so it just felt like it was crazy, and Toronto was leading that entire game. Cleveland was lucky to get the win in that one. The Stones was an absolute battle in that one between Cade and Pallo-Boncaro.

The Stones are the Detroit Pistons. Nobody other than Evan Fox and maybe five of his friends know that the Pistons are called this. Well, Pistons fans call him that. I just learned that this week. Yeah, so, but, But when we're talking on a show where people are listening, I think we should explain to them that the stones are not the rolling ones, which are an incredible band.

The stones are what, I guess, we don't know if this is true, so we don't want to speak for Detroit people. I guess this is what the Detroit people call the piss stins, you know, because you can see Stin right there at the end. Stens, stone. So there you get the stones.

They don't know a spell up there. Ston, which is a little bit harder, I think, than Stens, let's go. You know, so he probably dropped into stones if I had to guess. So we're just letting you know, The stones last night were a part of history and two Youngbucks getting added in a big way, tone, dude. Yeah, that was awesome.

Them going back and forth last night, the first time that's happened since Shaq and the AI. That was unbelievable. But tonight feels a little bit different. Tonight's one where it feels like the favorites might go ahead and get things done. And then Connor was talking about the NHL. It's so up and down.

I started looking at maybe over-underers. Over-Unders normally five and a half in a hockey game. The two games tonight, four of the five games in each series has gone to the over. I'm not saying it will tonight. Just something to look at. Okay, so we will certainly keep an eye on that. I think what's so great right now, sports are clearly in a huge uptick. Okay, ratings are coming out for everything.

Sports are up for everything. NBA, most watched NBA playoffs in 33 years. It's crazy. Congratulations. Let's go. Adam Silver obviously negotiated a deal with so many different platforms, okay? Some people are calling it maybe the greatest deal that has ever been done because the amount of money that was obviously had. And then what the ratings were saying versus maybe some other leagues in what had been happening in history.

Adam Silver obviously able to get the deal done because he is maybe not from here. We've seen him. He might be an alien. He is seemingly very, very relatable to the players, very good of business, very forecast type leader in this entire thing. He gets his deal done. There was a lot of people chirping about people overpaying, overpaying, overpaying, overpaying. Everybody was saying that about the deal. Most watched playoffs in 33 years.

Congratulations to Adam Silver saying, hey, we got it. Congratulations to the NBA figuring it out, all the teams, all the players. I know the 65 game rule was certainly a big conversation piece around it all. I know the tanking during a regular season was a massive issue. We had like a 24 point spread a couple different times throughout the end of the season. Can't have that in any professional league, obviously. And when teams are trying to lose, which they're trying to take care of now, people thought maybe the NBA was dead and gone.

Dead and gone. But instead, they got the biggest deal in history, so good that people say it was a bad deal, and then now they're putting up the biggest numbers they've ever put up. Good for the NBA, good for sports, and shout out to everybody over there for getting that done. Yeah, and all the stars are showing up. That's the biggest thing.

I mean, we just saw last night, Kate and, you know, Bancaro, they both go for 45. But even LeBron, him carrying the Lakers on his own without Luca and Reeves, he's played last night, but still getting that 3-1 lead, SGA with the sweep Wemby. Like the biggest names are also showing up. Very surprising too with the whole streaming

conversation. Like people were pissed going into these playing games, playoffs. Like how the hell are we supposed to watch all these games and you know, pay for all these streaming services? Like at the end of the day, people are and they're still going to watch it. And mostly because most people have them to begin with the sports being

on a different streaming platform every single night gives them something to bitch about and people love to bitch. Absolutely. But us include. Absolutely. Absolutely. Why not? We are a human. Yeah, yeah, and it's fun most of the time,

especially when your team's losing. But it has been an incredible playoffs for both sides. Which I think we all kind of, we, and I'm more not saying we created this theory or thought, but we were projecting that the playoffs are always going to be good for the NBA. Yeah. Because the playoffs is where it's a whole second season, and that is literally where the stars are born.

If you're a big-time, big-name player, we don't know about you if you're only playing in the regular season. You have to play in the playoffs because everything's prime time. that's when everybody starts watching. I know it used to be like NBA starts on Christmas, which it certainly did for like hoop fans, I think, and people that like hoops. The NBA doesn't start until playoffs for a lot of people that aren't hoop fans, and the numbers that are only getting bigger is good for all parties. This whole lowest three get the three to four percent.

The dumbest thing ever. Just think about how much thought went into that. We respect Adam Silver a lot, and we like the people that Adam Silver brings in to do his think processes. but like to get to this point, the amount of shit that had to, I mean, so many dry race boards just getting burned through. I mean, just so much,

so many math equations, I couldn't even imagine. Hopefully this will help, you know? Hopefully this will only help the product that is seemingly doing better than it's ever done. And then for the NHL, their numbers are up and to the right as well. New deal for them. Betman's got to be incredibly excited about his league. And two million viewers for the Flyers and Penn the other night,

plus 190% year over year over the game five, okay, from a previous. I'm going to miss Pittsburgh. Certainly are. Gonna miss them big time in the playoffs. And we're still going to... He locked in. Yes.

I mean, eyes on puck. Every night. Sports, why would we not be? Yes, of course. Sports are the greatest. What we're saying is sports are the greatest, okay? And we're incredibly thankful, and we appreciate the fact that it seems like only more and more people are getting into sports. It's a good time. Go ahead and release for a while.

Go ahead and put your... your entire happiness on somebody else's shoulders. And then when they let you down, go ahead and feel that misery. Yeah, take a week. And then guess what? You got another one coming. That's right.

Okay, we got to get back up for the next one. Now we've got to put our hope onto somebody. Then they're going to let us down. Then guess what's coming? Another one. Let's do it again. Then they're going to do good. Now we're riding the wave.

Okay, that is what sports can do for you. We're appreciative of everybody buying in. Now, sports can also divide. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Every once in a while, it can kind of divide parties into two, especially when a competing league comes through and seemingly has a bottomless pit of cash.

Now, over the last 24 hours, that bottomless pit of cash we have learned is reportedly around $5 billion to create a golf league that could potentially rival the PGA tour or at least provide an alternative to the PGA tour while poaching a lot of money. massive names with massive paychecks to kind of launch their league and start their content company, which is what I think Liv was trying to be. It was golf but louder. And it felt

like it exposed a lot of things that had been happening in the PGA or in the professional golf world that maybe us as nobs or casuals didn't fully know. I had no idea that players were losing money every single week when they're playing in these tournaments because they don't get any guaranteed money. I had no idea that there was no real contract. I had no idea about a lot of the things paying for your own this, paying for your own that. You don't really have this. This is what you've got. You're no guaranteed any money. There's no... It's like, we learned a lot about the PGA quickly whenever this Liv got

launch. We also learned a lot about how pissed off the Gulf purists were going to be about the best golfers not golfing in the same place. Well, it turns out we don't got worry about that. We don't. Live is dead officially.

They lost the power for seven hours, down here in Mexico a couple weeks ago. Less than 24 hours after an announcement was made, basically, that hey, this is probably going to be done soon. Then they lose power. I thought that was how they were going out. I thought it was like one of the most legendary moments in the history of something. How are you going out? We're going to get everybody there. We're going to start a tournament. Then we're actually just going pull the plug on it. Like actually just pull the plug. That thing was like seven hours. They get back

out there. They start golfing. I was surprised them. Holy hell. We're still doing it. Then their statements come out. We're still doing it. We're still doing it. Now it's beneficial that there will be no more PIF, Saudi Arabia, PIF funding after this season. They've assembled a new board that's got ideas. And they certainly have been in this type of situation before, and they're going to continue to try. But I think a lot of us wanted to give me, not a Super Golf Purist guy,

can score anywhere from, I'd say, 82 to 102. Sure. On any given day. Good range. Like golf, we'll watch. Wanted live to have success, because I wanted athletes to have more money. I also like the fact that it seemed like it was helping the PGA,

maybe evolve how it's treating their particular athletes. But it wasn't until I started watching that I think I got bummed out about them not competing against each other because then, you know, the leaderboard? Yeah. Just missing names for a while? Yeah. Not great.

I realized that matter. Big time. And then I try to watch it. Where is it? I don't know. C.W. sometimes. I'm spending $5 billion.

We can't even find what this thing is. Is there any ideas? Any strategy in this entire thing? And then you watch it. You find it. And it's like, DJ Khalid, who I love. He's literally screaming, Everybody puts your hands.

Oh! Rombo, a knee-knocker to win a tournament. I just don't know. Like, Teddy Payne? I'll tell you what. I don't think I've ever been a bad mood when Teddy Payne is playing. Any of his music is playing. Any of his streams are playing.

I'm in a good mood. I don't need to hear them on the 18th T-box when somebody's trying to win a tournament. And then I look at this person, they're wearing shorts. Looks like it is like us out there. Yeah. We just ran the thing. It's like golf has been figured out on how you run, how you air it, I think. And I appreciate you guys trying to make it a party.

You're allowed to have part three's down in Australia, everybody goes crazy. Burr Cracher's there. They're going to waste man. You're allowed to do things differently. But I think the way they won about it was poor. I think the way they planned exposure for it was terrible. I don't think anybody really knew about it.

And I think the tournament's not mattering. It was a big part of golf. So, like, whenever you turn it on it and it looks like you're just watching, like, I'd rather watch Bob does sports or does golf order. I'd rather watch him. Bambo. On YouTube, as opposed to that, because that's, like, good content. And then I don't have to watch the people that I don't know playing in between.

I can watch, like, a 20-minute thing with the good, good, like, I can watch all those. I'd rather watch those than having to watch live. The product itself was bad. And if you have a bad product, it's not going to work, let alone all the other stuff. The broadcast television product was no good. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen is a man who has a lot more information on it. And I'm excited to actually hear his thoughts on it from the very beginning till now.

Yeah. This guy's become our golf authority. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen from ESPN, Go dogs, Mark Slava. Yeah, Flabba. Hey, guys. Okay, so I gave my views of Live

from the very beginning. I loved that there was a massive amount of money going to athletes. A lot of people are like, where the money's coming from, it's not good, it's like, well, that money's in a lot of things. I think we're much more educated on that now versus whenever this whole thing started, but it did get very loud in that entire

department. I think they had a chance to maybe make things better, feel like they executed poorly and inevitably for the golf purists. They also kept the best golfers away from each other. Is there anything that I missed in this entire thing and that I should be thinking about whenever I look back on the live experiment that was? First of all, let me commend you on the transition from record ratings to a league with no ratings. Thank you. Cheers to you, Schla, Ball. Thank you, bro. Go dogs. Yeah.

No, I spent much of my morning walk pondering how to refer to it because you got upset when I called it the Saudi League, and obviously I can't call it that anymore. So now I think we'll just call it the barely living tour. Okay. Okay, all right. Okay, all right. No, I mean, you hit it.

Look, a bunch of rich guys got richer, their agents got richer. They disrupted the game. I think their legacy will be that they made the PGA tour evolve to bigger person. you know, signature events with more elite fields. But, you know, they tried, somebody said this morning, they tried to reinvent a 200-year-old sport with a checkbook.

And, you know, the way they went about it, I think Greg Norman was the wrong guy. I think he was too arrogant in how he did it. The fact that a bunch of its players sued the PGA tour, didn't help. And the fact, you know, frankly, I think those guys are, the guys that are still there are starting to figure out you can't prepare for the masters in the U.S. Open by playing in a city park

in New Orleans and a municipal course in Bowling Broke, Illinois. Well, the New Orleans one actually got canceled. So if you can please have a little bit more respect for that one. And we love City of New Orleans and Governor Jeff Landry does great work to welcome it into PGA who had a fantastic weekend last weekend. We regret

to inform you that the Live One will not exist. Okay, so you say they tried to change a 200-year-old game with a checkbook. the devastation to splitting the players away from each other, to your point about not playing, I think was on display when, what, the Champions Tour had a better performance than lived did at Augusta, right?

And we very rarely saw any of the live guys go. So it was clear that they got paid massive amount of money, and it's like you're not working as hard or you don't have to be as good. So it affected some of the best in the world's game. Now, we talked to Brian Rolap, new PGA CEO, formerly of the NFL, and we said, hey, what's the transition process back into the PGA? And this is what he had to say, Mark.

We talked about some of the rumors with the other tours and now with Big Game Brooks coming back to PGA tour. We saw some of the stipulations, I guess, with his deal. Is there like a defined path for players to come back to the PGA tour? And is it kind of, I guess, situations are situational with a player-by-player situation? How is it? Yeah, I think we're thinking about it. listen, we're reading all the same headlines you're reading. We don't know what's going on over there. We don't know. We know those guys are under contract.

We'll respect that. Brooks came back onto the tour because he made a phone call and said, look, I'm out of my contract. I'm ready to come back. So we're thinking about it. You know, we'll react when we have an opportunity to react, but right now we're focused on the PGA tour better. But listen, I've said it publicly and I'll say it again,

I'm interested in whatever makes the PGA tour better. That's what my job is. That's what I'm interested in doing, and that has no limit. So that's how I'll focus on it. Okay, Mark, so obviously situations are situational, and he's thinking about thinking about it. And Brooks calls, and he says, you're good. Patrick Reed, allegedly a year.

I remember there was some real heat, though, like potential lifetime band. Rollap was not there at the time. Obviously, that was the person that was before him that he is now filling in the role of. How do you see it kind of all unraveling? Will it be situations or situational? Like, hey, Rombo, yeah, we'd certainly love to have you come back

because you're so good at golf. Like, how do you kind of view it, Mark? Yeah, I think the PGA tour obviously has all the leverage right now. I think there's still some hard feelings on that side. You know, I had people in the last 24 hours tell me, screw those guys. I don't care who they are. I think Brian Rolap coming from the NFL is all about the bottom line. if Bryson DeCambeau and John Rom

can make his product better for television contracts and those sort of things he'll figure out a way to get it done but I think it's going to hurt I think it's going to sting I think there are some guys who won't want to come back to the PGA tour I think there are some guys like Lee Westwood and Ian Poulter some of the older guys will just go back to the DP World Tour some of their younger players who never played on the PGA tour

are going to have to go to the Corn Ferry Tour to try to get a PGA card but there's going to be some guys walking back with their tails between their legs because I mean this is the equivalent of Lane Kiffin is showing up in Oxford, Mississippi, saying, I'm sorry, I was wrong. Please take me back.

It's like the 19th Eagles reunion, Pat. What hell freezes over will come back. It's pretty damn cold when you don't have the Saudis money. Thank you, Mark. A good line. Thank you for all of it. The football metaphor, you know, for the duffuses like us, I can maybe feel what is happening over there.

And then also, you know, it's Cold World out there, you know, and just one last, hey, remember what you did from Sloth. I had a four-hour walk, four-mile walk after I got your text. So I thought about some things. It's the best thing about a four-mile walk, Pat. It's only six widespread panic songs. Oh, that's not bad. Is that every morning?

Do you do that? Every morning, every morning. So you're listening to widespread panic going The Saudis ruined golf. Sodies ruined golf. It's like like What's the phone? Barrel over the waterfall? Yeah, that's good.

All right. Can we ask some questions about golf that's happening now as opposed to just a remark? Hey, I do got to tell you, I got to play the patch in Augusta. I was glad to hear you made it to Augusta National. But I played the patch, the new muni that Tiger redesigned. And I played with this kid from Ireland. And it was first trip to the Masters. and I said, what was the highlight?

He said, I saw Pat McAfee on the 14th hole or something. I was like, oh, my God, even over there? I was like, this is insane. But I did learn something about the Irish. This kid had never played golf before. 10 yards hits it again. 10 yards hits it again. Goes on and on for like three hours.

The Irish never pick up. It was miserable. But he got in his highlight was saying you, but I did get to play the big course last year. I finally won. I was 0 for 9 in the media lottery. And I got to win. Oh, tell me about the media lottery.

Tell me about the media lottery. You enter a lottery. You get to play it once. Once you win, you can't play again for seven years. So I finally win last year. They picked like 15, 15, 18 people to play Augustin National. I'm the only dude that ever rolled down Magnolia Lane with a Weber grill in the back of his truck playing widespread panics. Ain't Life Grand.

Getting ready to play Augustine National. I know you did. It was amazing. And life was grand, but I played terrible. I'm not going to tell you my score. No. But we had a caddy in our group who was Peyton Manning's favorite caddy, your guy. And he said the last time he had been out there, he hit it in the ball,

hit it in the Rays Creek three times on number 12. And he said, finally the catty turned around and said, damn, man, it ain't the freaking Mississippi. Hit it on the damn green. I think I've golfed that guy, actually, in that particular golf course before. He's good at Reading Greens that guy. Greens, yeah, he is. Yeah, he is.

That guy is great at Reading Greens. I thought you were going to say that they told you that although it's only seven years that you can't win again with the lottery, you got a lifetime ban for the fucking grill in the whole thing. But no, instead they said that's Slauble football. That was a cover. They said that Shlaba football. That's smart. Okay, let's talk a little bit more about golf.

Huge news, especially in this Thunderdome. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Schlaubach, the goat is back. Michael Block, aka Blocky, aka the guy that probably will be the number one golfer in the world if he could drive it 20 yards further. will be playing in the PGA championship. What do we think? Does he have a chance here to take home a major title? It feels like now that he has one under his belt, that this could be the year that Blocky gets it done. This is him.

Obviously, one of the goats of the greens. He never misses. I don't know if we have it, but he actually had a message to some people that maybe don't believe in him. I don't know if Ty even qualifies that anymore. did your career? I mean, the support's insane. Like, ridiculous or not. I mean, I can't thank everyone else out there

enough for the support and for all you haters or whatever. Behavors. He's talking to Utah. He's talking to you, Ty. Go to shit. Goad shit. You prick.

But anyways, is Blockie going to win this thing? Yeah. And how much more Block? I like Blockie. I met Blockie. Blockie was a good man to me. The dog. Ty hates that he went on a podcast and said, if I can't like,

Roar, I'd be the best golfer in a world or whatever. He was just getting gassed up. He was just having a time. He was his bag, right? You know, I'm very interested to hear Mark's take on, Blockie. Very interesting. Yeah, he flew a little close to the sun that first time. He got a little too arrogant, too little big for his britches.

But look, it was great. You know, I think Kepka won up there in Rochester when he played, and he had the hole in one. But, yeah, it doesn't make PGA tour players happy when a pro shows up and kind of steals the spotlight. But good for him. He does steal the spotlight. He's got what?

I was there last, I was at Bannon Dunes last week, and I was about 30 shots worse than him, I'll tell you that. Okay, so you think you've got a chance to see him a little, but he's playing good right now, you're thinking. He's playing pretty good. Yeah, he's playing well. He won't contend. He'd be lucky to make the cut.

You don't know that. All right. Am I a haters? Yeah, yeah, he's talking to you, Martin. And by the way, Ty knew what you were going to say. Ty knew. He was so excited. I want to let you know, Mark, you within the first 15 seconds of you being talking on this show,

one over the entire Thunderdum. I forget the exact conversation it was, but you murdered 15 people within the first, like, 20 seconds. And everybody in the Thunderdome is like, yes. Probably fastest ever. It's fastest, yes, we've ever got. So you are in high regard, sir. I just would like... I appreciate it.

Yeah, I'm just not a subtle guy, man. Get to the point. Yeah, but the way you get to the point is also part of trying. You got that accent there. Go dog. Yeah, very go dogs at all times it feels like. So life is good. Go ahead, Tone.

Yeah, Mark, I was looking at it. I was looking at the Cadillac Championship this weekend. It's an elevated event. And I was looking at the odds. Rory's not there. It feels like Rory has not played much golf this year. I think it's five times maybe in three or four months. I'm confused.

I thought they had to play elevated events, or is Rory going to pick up his schedule through? the summer. I just didn't know how they were, because I saw there was a lot of talk about it online, how people haven't seen Rory a ton besides the players and masters this year. Yeah, I mean, he was part of that group that came up with the signature of events to get all the good guys in the fields more often. And, you know, and then he ended up skipping the one after he blew the late lead at Augusta National and got fined for it. But they've kind of done away with it. You know, I don't know. I think it's the new Rory maybe. We saw it a little bit last year

after he won its first green jacket. He took some time off. probably celebrated a little too much, he'll tell you. But, you know, didn't win again. But he's playing well, yeah. He's been playing a little bit more around the world. Maybe if Liv stays together, Pat, he'll find a home over there. Well, that's the thing we have yet to reference is the global impact that they had on golf. Look, I don't think it's dead yet because I think there are enough rich guys, really rich guys,

that have a lot of money who love golf. but it's not going to be anything like its current form. But I think if they love golf, they won't want to do that, right? In that kind of the love golf people's thing? They love money more than golf. If they can figure out how to make money off the golf, then it's a perfect world. I think there are some answers there in the content-driven world.

I don't think you should ever be trying to market yourselves as a PGA competitor going forward, though. I think that is a, I think that's probably, like they got the, what's that, the Grass League? Yeah. They're playing like at night or something like that with some. Part three. Part three.

Part 3. I don't want to say the YouTube content golf people, but they're doing a lot of content as well. If you viewed Liv as like when Liv was about to, was there a time or they were about to be together, PGA and Liv? It felt like there was a time where they were meeting a little bit more. Strategic Alliance Framework Agreement, June 20, 23, June 6, 2020,

2020, 23. Yeah, 2020. They signed an agreement to form an alliance with the PGA tour and the DP World Tour and could never come to an agreement. and I think it was probably because of the Saudis thought Liv golf was worth a lot more. They couldn't get into their head that nobody cared about the range goats or Ripper G.C.

Whoa. I got a fucking easy. I got a Ragegoal back. I got a range goes hat right here, Mark. Yeah. You're the guy. Bobba gifted it to us. Yeah.

Shout out the Aces too. Got a dog. Bubba's a dog. Yeah, Bubba is a dog. Yeah, Bubba is a dog. A driver head here from. Range goat. What happens to the range goats?

They're done. I'm worried about it, yeah. Starting their own league. It's right. Bubba's got enough money from his previous golf. He's got a fucking candy store. He's got like 10 different things. Owns the Blue Wahoos.

Bingham. And a golf course outside of Athens called the Rose. Oh, really? He's competing with the Masters? I like it. Bubba is not giving up at all. I appreciate he's competing with Augusta. I did not play down there, but I did have the time of my life.

The golf world is special. That's why I think whenever you make, mention that the guys that have a bunch of the money, I think they would want to work with the PGA. I don't think many people that love golf are going to want to go against PGA again, maybe. You can find some of those heels out there. But if they turned live into like PGA guys doing scrambles or like two on two or like gimmick golf, like if you took the PGA guys in turn live into what gimmick golf could be, so like basically their YouTube portion of it, I think that would have been good. If we could have saw four PGA guys battle against

each other in a scramble and they like what would they shoot how would that only thing go if you hosted it right like i thought they were going to do that i thought live was going to become like gimmick golf and uh i guess that's not the case sounds like saudi arabia one of them be the masters yeah man it was supposed to be louder though but dj collin was always showing up and with big putts because he's such a good time so it was hard for me to take it serious mark i tried i tried i tried my best it was fucking ass yeah i mean it's the sad part as you don't get to see Sergio Garcia play six more times. I wish.

Boom, boom, couples. All right. Boom, boom. Sergio, see, I think the big thing, Serge, whenever you did what you did at the Masters to the thing, did you think you're going to win? So I think that's the thing. Like, at some point, there has to be a look at a mirror,

and it's like, hey, probably not going to win today. So if I miss it a shot, let's just roll with it. You know, like when he was younger, bashing a thing, maybe you thought you were going to win. this stage of life, I don't think anybody's thinking Sergio Garcia's way of the masters, right? So everybody just kind of looks at you and goes, but, but. Those Spaniard golfers run hot.

I think he's made the cut there twice since he won. When was that? And he won like 20 years ago. It was a long time ago. All right. I haven't thrown a golf club in like 25 years. I almost took a guy's head off one time, and that was the last time I threw one. What was it? Helicopter.

Three wood off the fairway. Did you duff it? Wasn't bad. It was my buddy's dad, too. That would have been bad. Did you duff it or what happened? Top it? Oh, I'm sure I hit a warm burner down the middle of about 30 yards like I usually did. And then you turn directly to your side and landed on the top

of his golf cart. That is close. Yeah. So close. I mean, that's pretty good. Yeah. Did you go? Yeah. Did you? Let's put it this way. The club went further than my damn ball, all right, Pat. Hey, that's because you hate, go dogs. Go dogs out there. Let's talk about good golf, shall we? Maybe the greatest of all time when it's all said and done.

Go ahead, Ty. Mark, obviously the elevated events are nice, and we know Scotty a lot of times we'll go out there and maybe not have his A-plus stuff but end up grabbing a top five or a top 10. But what do you think of his form going into the PGA and then also just a little sidebar? Have you been doing any digging on the Brendan Soresby situation? Oh. No on Sorsby. be. Pete Thamble's handling

that and doing a fantastic job on it as he always does. Yeah, Scottie, look, the iron play had been great, and we've talked about it ad nauseum, but you know, he had his B-plus game at Augustine and finish his second, so

he can still put it together. I don't think he's had a finish outside the top 25 in like two years. So, you know, his bad golf is a lot of guys' best golf. So I think you'll be in contention. I think he's going to win the career grand slam at the U.S. Open.

I called that at the beginning of the year. I think he'll win at Shinnock in June. Tell me about the Fitzboys down in New Orleans, little brother punching the ticket and the older brother having, what, the season of his life right now? Yeah. Matt had really struggled about 18 months ago and, you know,

was one of the best iron players in the world when he won the U.S. Open at Brooklyn up in Boston, but had struggled for a while and found it again. And, you know, I mean, my God, to win with your little brother and secure his PGA tour card and a spot in all the signature events the rest of the year and the players

next year and the PGA championship next month, I mean, I don't think it gets any better than that. And I think he's expecting his first child here shortly, too. Wow. What a run. Hadda baby Fitsy. Hell yeah. And that? Northwestern

hasn't won this much in about 30 years, Pat. Amen, brother. Amen. Hey, what do you know about this, Slobbop? What is that? Do you know what it is? Come on, no.

Spider. Yeah, he knows. Last time I won't golfing on me. I got a 3D printed one. Does it work? Michael Collins gave me. Comedy? Caddy?

Yes, PADD? Yeah, he sent me a whole set. Don't tell anybody. Somebody accidentally sent him a right-handed set and forgot he was left-handed. Okay, so that's not a bad place to be. Right there on side card of ESPN Caddy. golf cart. Good for you, Mark. Yeah. We see ESPN Caddy everywhere.

He's a beast. Crushing everything. Just like you. Thank you so much for joining us. And how many tournaments are left now in the golf season? 17 on the PGA tour season. We still got three majors, though. A lot of golf left. Man, we can't wait to see you again. Twenty-divable weeks. We appreciate you taking time.

See you. We'll see you in Philly. Yes, you will. That's what? PGA. Championship. Oh, I thought it was a home run derby, July. They do have that, too. Yeah, Philly's got everything. They do. Yeah, and the UFC fight.

Yeah, that was kind of the big. And I'm going to put that suit on. Yeah. Perfect place to go when the PGA wants to clean up fan behavior, Pat. A lot of mashed potatoes, huh? You're the best. Ladies of gentlemen, go dogs. Mark Slavoc!

Yeah, Slabok! It's funny, we talked about that earlier. Oh, Slabok, you won? Yeah. Hey, can we get a ranking on these SEC coach is swinging. Sabin obviously plays all the time. Shot his age last week or two weeks ago, 73. Kirby Smart Goh, awful, okay?

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, who's that? Natoos. That's not great. Pete Golden's got a good little baseball swing. Donnie, Tommy Tupper votes. Senator Tubbs.

Is Tommy still coached? No, no, no. Who do you got? Kalen de Board. Ah. Oh. not that one. Not oats.

I'll go. Pete Golding's not bad. He gets through it pretty good. I mean, Tuberville's got the smoothest. Not there. I'll go with the goat. He's got that little hitch at the top, though. Yeah, that's because...

I mean, Nick's... Saban should play well. He owns about four damn golf courses. He owns everything, I think, brother, including a resume that says he's a goat of everything. Just like you, we do believe. You're the man. Ladies of gentlemen, Mark Schlau.

I mean, I don't know he owns a bunch of golf. Yeah, he owns golf course. He's the best. Duh. Guy owns everything. Guy owns everything. We're just moments away from talking to a guy who, ladies is going to join us now.

He's a man who is an 18-year vet in the NHL as a player. He was drafted by the Flyers in 1983, played for the Flyers for 11 years. This is his first season as the head coach of the Flyers. Penn's taught him everything and he's No, in the last night, he sent the pens to Cancay. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of the Philadelphia Flyers, Rick Tolley.

Yeah, Rickie! Congrats, Coach. Thanks, boys. Hey, Pat, I want to be your friend because I know you pay big bar bills, man. Yeah. Hey, USA Hockey Hill, you're, hey. I know they beat. I was on the Canada staff.

I mean, I had to watch that party where you paid the big bill. We lost, yeah, we got the silver. metal. So thanks, man. Was that you guys? Yeah, Canada, buddy. Oh, was it? Oh, I didn't know. Take me back to that day. Because I don't like this day at all. I love that day. You're right. Oh, Jackie. A little payback. A little payback. A little payback.

Yeah, a little bit, obviously. We appreciate you joining us and everything that you've done for hockey. I would like to talk about your team here. And very rarely will I ever pay the flyers compliments? I think you understand that. You're a flyer and also in the Pittsburgh very, very, very well. It's been one of those things where we have been successful and the Flyers have not. You know that, you understand that. Flyers fans understand that.

But always been a good team and a town that cares about hockey. So it's a good thing for us to talk shit about because you people care and we're definitely have better run than you. So it's been a good run for us. So then we run into this team. I'm expecting Crosby, Tanger, Gino, guys that you know very well, the rest of that team to kind of do what they do, especially against the Flyers.

Then I'm there watching your team. Holy shit. You got dogs all over to place. These guys are big, strong, fast. mean. Obviously, grit is a part of the Philadelphia way, but can you tell me about your team? And why did you know that you guys are going to beat the pens in this series with how much knowledge you have of this Pittsburgh Penguins team? Well, first of all, you know, I feel about the... I've been there as a coach or a player in Pittsburgh six years and won three cups there.

So there's a... Pittsburgh Penguins are dear to my heart. But now being a, you know, obviously on the other side, being part of that rival, I knew you'd have to put the stake in them to kill them type of thing, because Sid doesn't... going away. Tanger, who I thought was great the last three four games. They don't go away. Obviously, Gino. So we have a young team, you know, inexperienced, but a team that bought in right from the, from training camp. January is probably our worst month. And I think for us, Pat, the, the, the, the, the coast trip when we were, you know, I think we were five games, three games over 500, and we swept the West Coast trip. The guys went out. They had a lot of dinners together. They bonded.

You know, you know, bonding and sports. And after that road trip, we started to believe, hey, man, if we start stringing some games together, we can get back in this thing. You know, our big tagline, a 3.8% chance of making the playoffs at one point. And that's a big thing we always talk about, you know. So 3.8% chance. And all of a sudden, now we're going to the second round. So got to give the young guys. And our veterans, too, that have bought in for our team.

Yeah. Congratulations to you guys. And I saw the 3.8% chance. marketing, and I had not followed your guys this season as closely. So, yeah, I was 100% sure we were going to beat your guys' days. These guys, a 3.8% chance to get in. These guys are living on a miracle, okay? Miracle was whenever we beat the Soviets.

That ain't happening. That's right. That was what my thoughts were. Getting to watch your team, man, I love it. I really do. The culture of your team, and obviously hockey isn't incredibly physical and tough and everything like that. But it does feel like your entire bench is tough guys.

Is that how you feel? And is that what you have to have in hockey? And how many teams are built that way? Are all teams built that way nowadays? Yeah, I think the game's changed a little bit than when we played. Yeah, you're right. Physicality always is important in hockey. It's probably a different than it was 10 years ago.

You know, for me, it's, you know, intimidation with speed, you know, control of the puck. You know, wall battles, wall work. You know, you look at like, look, Sidney Crosby. To me, he's tough, right? Oh, yeah. He's fought the odd time. Don't go to me. He's tough.

He's a mentally tough guy. That, to me, is the new age toughness. Connor McDavid, Jack Eichol, all these guys. Do they drop the gloves once in a while? Maybe once in a blue moon, but they're tough. They're tough. Every shift, whether it's with puck possession, body position. So that's the new age hockey player.

Tell me about gritty in human form. Tippett, number 74. Tell me about this guy. Okay. That was my takeaway after. watching your team. Sanheim might be a serial killer because I looked him in the eyes and blink and he appeared to not change his face one time

throughout the entire game which was wild. And 74, this guy was faster than everybody else on the ice. It was very clear and he was also built like an ox. Almost has the game winner last night and overtime. Obviously incredible player. I should know of him, obviously. I feel like you've got a lot of people that maybe

the world does not recognize. I don't want to talk shit, but I'm glad you're said it to give props to those guys because Tip wasn't on the radar last year. This year he's put himself on the radar. He's one of the facts.

Listen, I coached with Connor David and Canada. He's almost got that kind of speed. Like you saw it, you know, you just mentioned some of the games where he had the speed through New Zone. I think he had 11 hits one game. I mean, that's tough to do. So he's a power forward.

And then I thought Sandheim and Rissolainen were terrific. We match them against Sid, most of the series. They played 25 minutes a night. I got to give them a lot of guys. The Twin Towers, they were great. And you're right, Sanheim notched his game another level. And you're right, his demeanor, he is right.

It was like flat. I don't know if he was happy or sad half the time because he has that stone face, which is great for me. Yeah, I love it. Great for you. I was a little intimidated. I had a neck brace, obviously. We didn't know if I had a broken neck at that point.

Sure. I was sitting around on the glass. I didn't know what. I know if you boys wanted some. And just let them know, because of my neck, I would not have been able to fight. him. Just like that is the only reason. That is the only reason. Yeah, right. Okay, let's talk about standing on head, shall we? You guys saw it in a gold medal game against Hallibuck. Go ahead, Tom.

Yeah, Taco, obviously a scoreless game through three when you go into overtime. It's not like there was a lack of chances. It was up and down hockey. It was awesome game to watch. Vladar has 42 saves in his shutout. Can you just talk about him a little bit and how huge that was last night? Yeah, you're right. Most of the game was back and forth. but I think overtime, let's call it as is, the Penguins had the puck a lot. We had the prevent. I get it. The prevent defense

and that's when you need your goalie and that's when Vladity was great all the game, don't get but he went to superhuman lengths in overtime. Like he was you know, I think Manta had something on the doorstep who's had a really good year for him and I think Vladdy stopped him. There's some saves there like Sid

said after the game, they're one shot from going to game seven. So So, yeah, whether you want to say we're lucky in overtime or resilient or bend or don't break defense, the guy behind, the guy with the mask on really was the key for us, especially in overtime. I think that's my favorite thing about hockey, actually, and it was kind of showcased on a global stage there in the gold medal game. Every single playoffs, if your goalie gets hot, you can win.

Like that, it is. If your goalie decides you're not going to lose, you can win. We got a chance to do it in Pittsburgh, obviously. You were there. We got to experience that with math. There was a couple times math just decided, yeah, we're going to go ahead. and went Jari, actually, his first introduction to Pittsburgh. He stood on his head throughout the entire run.

It's like Matt Murray, sorry, Matt Murray went on the right. It's like, and I remember that from Tommy Barrasso. Of course, of course. And Tommy B, yeah. Yeah, so it's like a goal he can decide basically for you. Like, I go back by memories. Like, when we won the Cup one year, Flurry was in that against Washington, game seven.

And they were all, we're in their building. They were all over us. Like, they were, like, I'm behind the bench. And it was like they put on a clinic. And we come out of the, we come out of the first period, zero, zero. And I said to Mike Sullivan, we're going to win this hockey game. And our team went, you know, we were on our heels and Flurry stopped. I don't know what he had, 18 shots.

And he was terrific. And then we took our game and we beat him. And that's what a goal he can do for it. You know, just give you that one period of, oh, my God, this guy's going to, he's saving us. And now, then the players wake up and then, you know, we took over the game. I love that. I absolutely. Because it's like a pitcher, you know.

It's like when a pitcher has a team that can't hit for shit, it's like the pitcher can decide, hey, we are going to be in this thing forever. In goalies, those who get hot are the ones that kind of win. It feels like in the playoffs. Obviously, you have to have a great team, but you're into playoffs. You're already a great team.

That's kind of the deciding factor. Good luck to you having to make all decisions. When do you play them, especially a hot goalie? Got to give them some rest, can't strain the odds. Is that kind of the thought? Is that always the thought? Is the strain? What is it?

Well, regular season, playoffs, you know, you're throttling down. unless something, you know, injury-wise, you know, listen, you've got to ride your guy. But, you know, regular season, obviously, you're trying to give the guy a little bit of rest. But playoffs is pretty well, you know, war of attrition, man. You're all in. And like Pittsburgh, they had guys banged up. We got guys banged up.

You know, people are playing with broken stuff in the playoffs. And usually at the end of the year on the media day, you find out, hey, man, this guy had a fractured foot. This guy's got, you know, a cracked rib. Some guys are, you know, taking some tort all to get through stuff. So, yeah, that's what the playoffs are. It's playing hurt. Yeah, that's hockey as a whole. That's why there's always an excuse, basically, for every hockey player at any moment if they don't play well.

And then it comes out later through a memo. The player doesn't even say it. That guy had a fractured back. That makes sense. He's playing hockey. What does that even mean? Hey, this guy was a little slow. What a bomb this guy was comes out later.

Tibula, fibula, and C4 fractured. He's out for how long? Two years. Yeah. He was just playing. That is hockey as all. Okay, let's talk about a 12-year-old you have. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Ricky, it feels like another thing that Stanley Cup teams have. It's just some young sensation coming out of nowhere, and you have that in Porter Martone. What is he kind of meant to the boys as he's basically taking the world by storm? I remember after game one, we're all like, who is this 15-year-old who is basically going to carry the flyers past the penguins? And how do you handle something like that where a guy comes in late from a college season and kind of get him in with the boys while also knowing like,

hey, this guy's going to be a huge contributor to our team. Yeah, I think obviously it started a draft date for me was, and I didn't know a lot about them. And usually, you know, the coaches aren't really involved in the drafting part. We don't really see these prospects. But what he fell to us, and I was in that war room to see all our guys being so excited,

we picked them, right? And then his development at Michigan State was incredible, getting stronger. honestly we didn't know he's going to have this impact we were going to give him a game you know you give him that token game see how he's going to be and all of a sudden I think he scored his first game and then he gets an assist a big assist he gets another goal and all of a sudden he's a 19 year old kid playing in the second round

of the Stanley Cup playoffs you know playing an average of 15 16 minutes and playing on our power play so that's amazing that doesn't happen very often in hockey yeah fighting tanger almost scoring in overtime I mean he didn't look scared at all once again here's another thing I saw from being on the ice because Nick was like, hey, that kid was just in the frozen. He literally, he was just playing college. And I was watching all.

He got to be a little scared, maybe. He's big. Yeah. And he was not scared at all. I mean, there was, it felt like he was wanting more. So you guys aren't, are going to be good for a while now?

Come on, man. Come on. Because this shit's happened on your, is this you? Did you do this? That's you, coach? Huh? Is that you to do that?

Yeah. Oh, I didn't do that. Look at that. Holy geez. Yeah. That's next. Was that after the game? All right.

Enough. Okay. Now I got to wear a suit too because the governor was pulling for you guys. A lot happened in my life, but what I did come to realize is? Yeah, what was the bet? What was the bet? What was the bet? You got to wear something?

Okay. Coach, I got to wear a suit. Yeah. I got to wear a suit full-long suit. Gubernator. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

That's like me selling out my everything that I have. Everything that I wear a suit. have coach. I mean, come on, you have to make a legit bet like you have to, you have to walk the Philly in a speedo. Whoa. You win the Stanley Cup? Hey, that's a real bet. Hey, that's a real you win the Stanley Cup. You got it, pal. How about it? Okay. You win a Stanley Cup. And now, if you don't, we'll see you at a Thunderdove, right? Yeah, let's see you in a Thunderdub, okay? You have to make a visit. You want to walk in a speed of your head coach of a team. But I will walk to Philadelphia. You guys win a Stanley Cup. Yeah, man. That's, yeah.

Yeah, that's a good incentive. The boys will love it. You know what? And you'll pay the bar bills all summer. All right, forget the walk. One weekend, okay? One weekend. But there will be a cap, okay?

Because I did this at a media event. Yeah, yeah. And some of the assholes found out I was paying, and they went through the topest of top shelf. We're not having that with the flyers. But on that note, I'm a fan. I appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Rick Tocke.

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that I've ever had to do. There was this incredible company that they did it at the house, so instead of having to go to the hospital or a vet. And so many great memories kind of reminisced about with Valerie. Just want to let her know. I'll absolutely love her.

There was a little rainbow up in the sky shortly after. she left like right outside of our window where we were looking and for us it was just like hey see you later for mackenzie our daughter this is the first time she's had to experience anything like it she was not around whenever it happened but immediately upon coming upstairs she goes where's Valerie you know because she's hasn't been very mobile for a while so yeah it was just heavy night and uh sports immediately afterwards wife and i and daughter got a chance to watch and kind of just escape from everything but Valerie was an incredible dog and uh i would say greatest of all time i know a lot of people feel

that way. And we started a charity because of Valerie's battles with cancer. She had five bouts with cancer. She died with cancer. First four got treatment, got surgery for. It was so expensive. And we realized and found out how expensive it was that Sam and I thought about if we were kids growing up with our parents with how much money was available for everything, if we were told that that was how much it was going to be to save our dog whenever she was like six years old, seven years old or whatever. There's no way that we would be able to say yes to that. We start a foundation to raise money for families to be able to get surgeries to take care of their animals, hundreds of dogs, went through it all because of her badassness. And it's like, yeah, it was a

heavy night last night for the wife and I, as we bowed our eyes out for hours and just kind of reminisced about it. And I would just like say thank you to Valerie. More tears this week than any maybe in my life. And it's a perspective, you know. We got to enjoy the hell out of what we have right now. We can enjoy the hell out of the moments because at some point we'll just be looking back on these moments as memories and I hope we all get to say that in the moment we enjoyed the hell out of them as much as we should have. And that's why we're so thankful we get to do this every single day. And that's why we're so thankful that we get to do sports. And that's why I genuinely, now outside of a WrestleMania run, where I was not trying to bring people together.

Trying to fix a business. Go ahead. Say what you're going to say. I'm not saying anything. But life is good. Let's never forget it. Because when it's gone, we'll never be able to say I wish. Tox tables here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt. One half of the Hammer. Cowboys AP Tone is here.

Joining us live from Manatekin, Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, rider cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. Hey, Hawke, how you doing, pal? I'm doing good. Coach Taco was great on here, actually. He dealt with all of your guys' kind of shenanigans very well. shenanigans.

Any questions? Well, I mean, kind of like he would, you could take it as like not disrespect, but you know, you're angry that he beat your squad. Oh, do you couldn't tell you. I think they did take some of it as disrespect. Just from the feeling that I had being on the glass of one of those games, I, it was in the moment when they're inches away from you where you go, wow, I've said a lot of stuff about this team in like a Penn's fandom way that a lot of Pittsburgh people have certainly

told them in their past, but they know that I don't. said it. They definitely heard it. That's kind of the world we're in right now. And I'll tell you what, I think they would have done that to me. I think that stick throw would have been done to me at one point. But instead, the Flyers move to the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs after a massive win over the

Pittsburgh Penguins last night. Taco was awesome. I can't wait to watch them. And they're a good team. And if their goalie's going to do what the goalie did last night, they got a chance to win it all. Hopefully the Penn's Big three, get figured out and play 10 more years. That's what I would like. Five of eight series are left now in the

NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. Six of eight NBA serieses are still happening right now. Two out of the West gone. So the West is Oklahoma City sweep the suns, and then the Spurs beat the Blazers four one. And the Spurs might be the real deal, brother, with Wembe. We shall wait and see if they can get past the OKC test. The Lakers were up 3-0 behind LeBron James.

Don't look. Now that Rockets team has won two straight got people wondering, Is this the big collapse? Oh, oh. Is everything that's going on with this Lakers team just become too much, and they won't be able to keep up with the young Houston Rockets team that has maybe figured out how to attack this Lakers team without a Luca Donchukk playing? Austin Reeves returns.

He gets more than 12 points. I'll have you know. LeBron didn't get a double-double, though. I don't know if you knew that. You pair LeBron double with a win last night. You get pretty good little hearts. You can have a nice little return to your draft. account after losing, you know, a massive amount of money on Flyers,

beating the pens and everything like that. But instead, Austin Reeves, LeBron James, and the boys aren't able to get to home win. Houston Rockets are on two-game winning streak. Do they have all the momentum? And if the Los Angeles Lakers don't win this, is LeBron James nowhere near the goat? Oh, no. That's what people are going to say, AJ Hawk.

It's amazing how quickly things can change. So now LeBron is washed and he's run out of steam. That's what I've been hearing on the headlines this morning. What I do love about what we do for a living, and I just talked about enjoying a moment. I don't think anything on earth does that more than a daily sports show. Okay? And you can pull some takes that end up not being good from a daily sports show anytime you want.

Oh, yeah. Because we can only go off the information that we have right now. When LeBron put the cape on, then put the entire Los Angeles Lakers team on his back at this age of 41. After the amount of minutes he had all season, okay, after the amount of minutes he had all season, and just starts cooking this Rockets team with or without Kevin Dore. It was hard not to just immediately go, that's never been done before. That's never going to be done again.

That's the greatest ball of time. People got loud. Evan Fox in the back got real loud. Oh, yeah. People in Chicago were getting louder. You know, they're on microphones getting louder. Let's not. Let's show them respect for sure.

But let's make sure we remember. That's what was happening. And now they couldn't wait. Could not wait for a, it, Jordan never. This is weird. Was Jordan ever up three oh? And then.

Lose, the best is... We certainly showed him his respect, but there's a chance that happens. And LeBron knows that, and the sports world knows that, but that would be a massive story, especially with where we were just a few days ago, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, but do you think it's actually going to happen? You think they are going to collapse and not win this series?

Force Game 7 after trailing a series 3-0s only happened four times. Celtics versus the heat, Trailblazers versus the Mavs, Nuggets versus the Jazz. in 1951, we all remember, the Knicks versus the Royals. That was one-sided. Royals were just smack around. They're not hot. Everybody in New York was like 1951.

I'm sure they had, what do we, are we have, definitely have good pizza, but. Good pizza. Uh-huh. Those were good times. Do you have, were they? Black and white television in 1951? A lot of babies were written made. I don't know if it's there yet.

Is TV happening? 51? TV's happening. Yeah, TV's not color TV. Definitely not color TV. How many channels? Oh, two? Most.

So many. Two to three. If you have... Ovaltine here, we're doing Oval T. Oval Tia. Yeah, on the radio. Stake. Yeah, the Dakota rings.

And they were like, the Royals. Problems. People are walking and getting on a... What type of vehicles did we have in 1951? Model T? No, that was 1920s. We had some tired cars, right? 50s.

Yeah, oh, yeah, definitely. I love Luzon Baker. I love Luson's in those popular show. What's that, AJ? Did you think they were still riding horses in 1951? Some people. I thought they did get in a buggy there to go to New York to tell them how ass they are after they go down 3-0.

They're still doing horse and buggy in New York. They're definitely doing it then. First televised beer commercial for Papps was in 1951. BBR Trailblazing. I can't believe it. I wonder what that commercial was. Have one. Probably.

Hank Williams was your number one country artist. Ooh, ho-hoo. Is that a studebaker? I like what we got here. Cars were in master. some mercury, 1951 mercury.

I'll tell you what, I don't know how they drove those things at all with how small the roads were. There's no power steering. Obviously, the ears,

definitely, yeah. A lot of protection and a lot of metal on those. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of metal.

I don't know if it gives it all. I don't know. When did the fender come in? The rubber fender because that was a game changer for the Jackson.

That's pretty on. Jacksonville, Jackman. Kind of change the entire thing. Anyways, it doesn't happen often is what we're saying, where the rocket's

would be able to come back, and it's never happened where they've come back and actually won it. If that was to happen against LeBron James, people go crazy. Now, there's certainly LeBron post-game interviews coming like this. You feel it's like, obviously, the Rockets are the better team. What's the best way to respond to a group that obviously had some confidence growing over there? I don't care about shit like that, bro. The game is one in between the four lines. I don't give a damn.

Who cares? I mean, of course you say, why would you say, well, would you say, don't we're not the better team. Like, but I don't. Ask when I'm young guys, that question. I'm too old for that shit. What was he supposed to say? What was he supposed to say?

His team wasn't better than our team? Come on. Get out of my face. How about that guy thinking, I'm going to get LeBron here? Does he think his team? This guy said his team's better than yours. Go ahead.

Anything? Yeah, that is a wild question. Get out of my face, bro. What an answer by LeBron. You can see he's obviously a little frustrated, though. Oh, yeah. You can see that he's not exactly thrilled with what's going on. Now, I do appreciate the fact.

that everybody in the NBA seemingly understands that people have to answer questions in a certain way. Because remember when Joe Flacco was asked if he thought he was elite, and he said yes, and then all of a sudden it was, this dipshit thinks he's an elite quarterback. What are you supposed to say, AJ Hawk? I like how passionate Bron Bron is, though, it appears. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think it's wild.

Like, if he actually does engage in all of the talk that is about him after every single thing that he does, like I hope he doesn't engage in a lot of it because it would be a roller coaster trying to figure out, like, one day he's obviously the greatest, of all time. The next day he's washed, he's terrible, and he's, you know, not in the top 25, so it's just, it's crazy. You know, I think he does hear a lot more than, um, we can imagine. I, I think he's very, uh, knowledgeable of the conversations that happened. I think whenever he

talked to Dave McManneman, McManneman, I think that one where there was a lot of conversations about the, uh, goat debate with him and Jordan, and then he even came out and said he hopes he he did Jordan Proud with the number 23. Like, I think he showcased some humility in there while also saying like, hey, I do hear a lot of people shitting on me. It's like, why do we got to do, why do we always got to do that? Like, why? I think he understands what's going on, but I'll tell you what. The

Lakers currently minus 3.30 to win the series. Nobody's done. You think LeBron's going to lose the series? Yeah, right. I heard some LeBron fans earlier this morning, really bitching and moaning about the fact that brawn ain't Braun no more. Whoa. We will get back to some NBA conversation with a former 15-year NBA

event. Let's do some NFL quick hitters here, shall we? George Pickens has officially signed his $27.3 million franchise tag. It was reported last Thursday before the first round of the NFL draft by every insider that George Pickens had signed his franchise tag. Then

Sunday came and went, and on Monday we were talking about that being an indicator of something happening on our show, and then during our show, Mr. Todd Archer puts out a tweet into the oblivion that says, hey, just a heads up, Pickens has not signed his franchise tag. To get traded, Pickens would have had to sign his franchise tag.

For anything to happen, he would have had to sign the deal. It was reported that he signed a deal. But then we asked the same insiders, you know, both of them. We go, what happened? He's intending to sign. He's going to sign. They just know he's going to. We thought maybe there are some gamesmanship out of George Pickens saying, yeah, no problem.

Just in case a trade was to come through during a draft. Now the draft is past, maybe he won't sign his franchise tag. He has, as being reported now by Mr. Archer, signed his franchise tag. Nothing else can happen until he does this. What does this tell you, AJ? He's a cowboy for the year? I still don't feel super confident he's a cowboy for the year. This obviously opens it up for him to be available to be traded, I guess.

But you know what? I think it's 50-50 now. I thought the other day, like, man, I don't think there's a chance he's playing for the Cowboys. I think he still could play there. He literally came, not he, I'm sorry. People came on the show back-to-back. It was Tannenbaum and it was somebody else. I forget who it was.

Rapsheet. Rapsheet. Rapsheet and Tannenbaum, back-to-back, come on the show and go, George Pickett's probably playing for the Cowboys this year. And I'm like, that's the first time I've even heard somebody with convictions say that. Because going into a franchise tag year as a number one wide receiver, with Moligeta as his agent, with what has happened in the past, it feels like that would be a no-go for a one-year contract with no future guarantees

and a potential another year of franchise tagging coming on the other side of that. That just feels like a no. But then you start thinking about it from George Pickens angle where he's getting 27.3 million. He's got another prove-a-year. He probably enjoys being in Dallas. versus what was going on in Pittsburgh. Him and Dak have a great relationship, obviously. Maybe George Pickens does this year at 27.3.

We get to watch another bag chasing show for a year on primetime every single week, and then he gets a huge one after this season. I don't think any of us truly know, but maybe he is a cowboy, and that would be a blast, because last year watching him on the Cowboys was a great time. I will say, he was all over the place all the time on national television.

Especially when they're playing at 425 kind of primetime, Brady and Burkhart, I want to say, yep, okay. They are amazing with George Pickens. Think about how much more fun they are to watch. And if it wasn't for T. Higgins and Jemar Chase already doing it, I would say there's no way this is going to happen. But because of that brand of football, and maybe the Bengals go out there and absolutely dominate this year

and Joe Burroughs stays healthy. Big Dexie coming over there. Yeah, Dexter Lawrence comes over, which is kind of what the Cowboys already have with Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams and Rishon Gary. Like there is a world that feels like where after this season, and after the franchise tag, they could pay him upwards at $35 million a year. Okay, so George Pickensons, his franchise tag, way to go.

Is Aaron signed anywhere? Well, Rooney, owner Rooney says about the ufa tender that they put on Aaron Rogers. We alerted Aaron and his representatives that we were going to do it. Answering our real big deal. Just something that in the unlikely event he goes somewhere else, we're eligible for a compick. sign business that's right yeah it'd be stupid not to we move forward now

is that what you read dare to yeah that is exactly what I read because if you don't do it and it goes somewhere else you look like idiots everyone's saying you guys are idiots for not getting a compick out of this oh they're laughing at guys's face yeah oh now you want them oh not so no that's not what I said I never said those words at all

oh yeah what's going on Tony hates this guy it sounds like I don't think Tony hates the guy I think that's not the person I like the person I like the person and we all like the person. I just don't like that for the second straight year. You're just stringing us along like we're his little lap dogs. Like you're not to Pittsburgh Steelers.

Bingo. Pittsburgh puppies. See, that's what. I wish I didn't even think of that. We're not all. Don't do that. Don't be doing what you're doing. I wish I didn't know.

And Jed, you hear this is how Pittsburgh people, I believe, because Tone has come back from the draft where there's 805,000 visitors, most of them from Pittsburgh. Talk to a lot of people. Tone was around a lot of Pittsburgh. Tone sits down in his chair and he goes, you know what?

now's the time actually saying, we're done with this guy. It feels like tone went and did a little focus group, a couple of them, Jensar group, how you doing? I pulled the city. Different ages, different groups, different cities, different parts, different events, different everything. How are we doing? We're all, yeah, all done with it.

Okay, thought so. Just wait until you hear me on Monday. And the first thing came out of his mouth is, hey, we're done with it. It does feel like that is how Steelers fans are, because it is two seasons in a row now where they are being told like, hey maybe maybe and it's like the Steelers fans are like get this guy the fuck out of here if he does not want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler and now from the other side of it okay that is just me reading tone who was talking to everybody and me potentially talking to similar people that tone

was talking to you read me well me as Aaron Rogers okay person that understands Aaron and has massive respect for who Aaron Rogers is in the history of ball and currently in ball in this entire thing. The guy's allowed to figure out what he wants to do with his life. Don't, okay. Okay. Some respect. Coach changed. Life changed.

Yeah, you bet. He's living. He's in shape. Yeah, what, okay, he signed in early June, I believe, last year. Tone, is there a deadline in June you have? What if he signs here in two or three weeks? Are you going to be happy all of a sudden? So, he's signed in June because there's something going on, right, last year? When there's something, was that last year? Yeah, I had a

personal situation. He said that he left them. Yeah, so I think everybody was like, we all know that, AJ. Okay, so like that kind of happened. And then now this year it's like, don't know, don't know. Don't you and McCarthy fucking know each other? Yeah, pingo. He's a newlywed.

The guy can't enjoy his new wife for a little. There's a lot of newlyweds in the NFL that are on teams. They know they want to play for that team. Not ones that are goats. What about ones that are 22 years in trying to figure out what they want? Boy. Yeah. Well, if it's not, if you can't figure it out already,

it's not in your heart to play. You don't know that because he didn't find every part of his heart yet. And I don't know how I'll react. AJ, until that day comes. Okay. He's Italian. I'm sure I wouldn't change my tune. AJ, I'm sure Pittsburgh won't immediately go.

He never would. Got a goat back. Yep. That's what I thought. He better play good now. He kind of strong as long. The future's here. Maybe we'll hire, maybe Drew our, you know, Mike McCarthy.

Sure, the word Super wouldn't come out of my mouth. Yeah, exactly. As soon as Aaron gets back. AJ, what do you know in that situation? What has Aaron told you? Honestly, I don't have really anything for you on that situation. You have a Derby weekend. I don't know.

It would be. Yeah. I don't know what, there's no deadline. I don't know anything. When you get down there. Are they doing a derby this weekend or no? No, I'm not going. Really?

Don't lie. Oh, smart play by you to act like you're not going if you are going. Is he going? But if you're not going, also smart play to get that public because we'll be peppering you with questioning on that. The NFL has distributed crew assignments to referees this week amid indications of continued progress toward a deal on a new collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Referees Association.

Sources have told Seaford. over there at ESPN. Now there's some numbers and stats coming out that we found pretty interesting. At the time the talk stalemate the spring, the NFL had offered the NFLRA, the refs association, a six-year deal with the average annual raises of 6.45%. That's more, that's more of a raise than the players get percentage-wise. Yeah. The average NFL official earned $385,000 in 2025. Now, refs in other leagues, professional leagues, get paid more money. Obviously, a lot more games in those other leagues. I believe there are also full-time referees as opposed to

NFL refs that only have 17 regular season games, and then if you're not asked, you also get playoff games in this entire thing, and then you're done for an entire off-season. So the negotiation is fascinating. That felt like a lot of money. If you let players know that that money was available if they got into a pipeline to become officials, I think a lot of players would be excited

to do that to give back to the game. But I do think it's good news that we're kind of making progress with the stalemate that has potentially happened over the past couple months with the Referees Association, because the last time we had replacement refs, it was ass, AJ. Yeah, and I think people may, like, it's easy to overlook this and think it's not that big a deal, but if you were around for the old situation with a replacement reps, I was on

the field, when the fail-marry situation happened with replacement reps, I saw, like, the impact it could have. So I think it's a lot bigger deal than people think so. The fact that there's progress and they're not, both sides aren't killing each other publicly through the press, I think it's a good sign. They were there for a bit, though. They were killing each other publicly, which was a lot of public. Let's try to win the mob here. Let's try to win room. And then I assume there's a conversation like, hey, it's not good for any of us here for people to think our refs are ass. But we do need a little bit of accountability. We do have to be able to say that we can get rid of people that stink.

Like I think for the good of the league, for the good and integrity of the game, we have to be able to do that. That's where the NFL is coming from. And the referees association says we've always had the greatest deal in all of sports, basically. We don't have to answer for anything. We don't have to be off season. We don't have to train. We don't have to do anything. Yeah.

You pay us. And guess what? Never fired. So if you want to get off of that contract a little bit, If we want to start there, which is where we have negotiated the last hundred years, we can certainly do that. Both of them have a good stance because if the replacement refs come in again, the referees association will have leverage pretty quickly,

which is why the NFL was like, we'll have New York make the calls. And it's like, all right, well, that's going to piss people off. The refs are going to get some leverage there. Something terrible is going to happen. The refs are going to be able to get you just like they did after the fail, Mary. And I think because you're on the field and because I had a chance to, you know, ride alongside some teams, I think we care more about the ref thing than anybody else. and if it becomes a big deal,

I would like them to say we did journalism. Okay. They won't, but we've done some journalism. Is there any chance, though, that the replacement reps come on and they've done this vetting process and they've worked them out a little bit to where it kind of goes off without a hitch and they do a decent job?

Maybe. Yeah, and it did say in that article that there were some college reps from the NCAA, obviously, that were willing to go up. So it wasn't like a unanimous hey, we're not doing this because of the union. It was kind of like a, there were a few that would come along, which would be massive. Is it?

I sure hope so. Is it, Vanderdor? There's no way that guy's a scab. Him and his crew are not scab. Vandervild and the boys getting a call up to Sundays, Thursdays, and Mondays could certainly be something. And then they're so good that the refs association would be for it. But I don't think Vandervild will do it because he's so close. Yeah.

So close. It's fascinating. Okay, let's go to the NBA, shall we, in the middle of the playoffs? Obviously, the six serieses that are left all have go-home implications happening in the NBA playoffs. There will be three games this evening as the Knicks play the Hawks at seven. Celtics take on the Sixers and the Nuggets take on the Wolves after a two-day break. Fascinating to see how that all affects everything. Joining us now, 15-year NBA vet, three-time champion. Ladies and gentlemen, former NCAA champion,

McDonald's All-American, starred ESPN NBA analyst, Danny Green. Yay, Danny! No, no. Appreciate you guys having me, man. I'm going to way to ESPN now. It's the biggest job, but it's the most important job that I have now, so I'm heading to the student.

Okay, are you driving right now? Like, actually, are you driving? Danny. No. I just have my seatbelt on in the back. Okay, because it looked like you put your hands onto a wheel after you gave the double deuce and then went to the wheel. We just want to make sure you're not doing anything stupid, Danny. You know what I mean?

Don't be stupid. No, not at all. Not at all. Do you just turn on a turn single? Did you, did you? Daniel. I did not turn on turn sick. Why'd be self-driving?

What do you do you have a hand? Because I guess you NBA guys, you could reach from the back seat, I guess. Put it on the steering. And just kind of drive from the back seat with you. Sunroot, though. You guys, I got you guys. You guys are hands free. We got you guys magnified in.

We got stands. You know, when you do media stuff, you got to have stands to make sure that your phone is stable. Okay. I want to let you know. I don't love what's going on here. I don't like that you're, we cannot be a distraction.

You understand. You are a, uh, a very, see, now you're in a red light right now. Now you're at a red light right now. Yeah, I can tell. I can tell right now. We're totally safe here. We're totally safe here.

Okay. Yeah. All right, go, let's make sure we're doing that. Let's be smart about it. Nice car, by the way, 15 years in the NBA. It does certainly have its perks. We appreciate you joining us. Let's talk about some of the stuff happening around this NBA.

You obviously won a championship as a Spur back in 2014, very different team now with Wembe. Can you tell me about this Spurs team? And can you tell me about Wembe a little bit from an ex-player with obviously still connections around the league? Yeah, I mean, their team is very, a really good group. Wemby is a special, special talent. It's something, things you can't teach.

You know, him being 7-4 and that wingspan. I was lucky enough to play with some really great big men like Tim Duncan, like Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, even Marcosol, you know, Sergei Baca, like guys that I could play defense and not have to worry about, you know, the rim because they're going to protect it for me. He's just another level of that. Like a lot of guys go in there deterred and scared to shoot the basketball because of him. and he still gets four or five blocks a game with guys knowing that he's there and scared of him.

So I could imagine, you know, what his blocks for game would be. I have to try to challenge him more often, which if you're smart, you wouldn't do that. So, yeah, this is a really good special group. They're young. They showed some of that in the first round. So if I gave them a grade for round one, it would probably be like a B plus. Because there's a Portland team. Don't respect them.

They're really good. But if you want to put yourself in the same conversation as a, Oklahoma City Thunder, you know, that team and a championship contention, you shouldn't be playing behind in the series. And I feel like in that series, they're playing from behind a lot. But I think they learned a lot from it. I think they grew from it. And it'll make them better and more prepared for whoever they face in the second round.

That could be the Denver Nuggets. It could be the Minnesota Timberwolves. We don't know. I hope Wemby does the dunk contest next year that bounce in between triple behind. That'd be a winner if it was to happen. Spurs trailing in games, but obviously won the series 4-1 over to Blazers. Oklahoma City, reigning champs. They swept the sun's 4-0.

Hey, Danny, call us when you get to the place. I'm getting anxiety. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. I'm getting anxiety. I can't do it. I can't do it. We're good. We're totally safe here when he's at the red light.

How many gets the red light? Look, both hands here. I'm like, yeah, right. I can't do that. I got to go. No, no, no, tell him to hang up. Okay, he's still talking. And call us whenever he, this has always been a thing with the show.

Oh, yeah, do it. I can't. No one's ever wanted to be on the show more than Danny Green right there because that was the most unsafe thing I've ever seen. Ever, I don't know what he's doing. That was, because then I did think, oh, he is in a backseat maybe. I saw him literally turn on turn. So I was checking traffic.

It's like, yeah, right, can't have that happening. I'm not going to be associated with that. I'm also a motorcycle driver. He's driving in L.A. too. I'm pretty sure he's. No, he said ESPN, but don't they do NBA today from L.A.? Maybe they don't. That's immediately what I thought is, Jesus Christ.

He's on a 405 right now. just, you know, looking down. No, no, no. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I would like to say that that has always been a part of this program. AJ, we, I have always, AJ probably not. I guess AJ's like,

yeah, we roll that. Might get a little action out of it. AJ watches movies on an iPad when he drives. Yeah, he'll close his eyes for two minutes. But he's a shitty drive. 30 minutes. Yeah, 30. Absolutely not, Ty. He is an ass driver.

Uh-huh. Documented ass driver. That's very subjective. It's very subjective, but you can, you know, we're talking Wemby, I think, some kind of sports. No, we're talking about all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers being on the record as saying, when the sun's

going down, it's tough for me to drive. I just fall asleep. Yeah, that doesn't mean a bad driver. That means I fall asleep when I'm driving into the sun as it goes down. Okay, so falling asleep while you're driving would be a trade, I think, that would say you're a bad driver, no? No. Like, a bad driver would be like,

lack of awareness. Like, you can't figure out when you're asleep. You have no consciousness. You are a You are asleep. I'm aware of it so I can beat it. I already, I know going in, hey, this is where I get tired. I've got to find a way to stay away.

Okay, and we're appreciative of the fact that you beat it now, but there was a time in your life where you're just out there falling asleep behind. We'll waking up with two feet on, right foot on the gas, left foot on a break, brake lights on the entire time while you're falling asleep. I mean, that would be considered a bad driver, okay? I just won't let you know. That would be a tough situation, but yeah, I've never been in a situation as dangerous as that, I promise. Oh, that is.

Okay. All right. That is how you describe it. I don't like that that happened at all. What I do like, I like Steve Boshadhi saying I want a draft pick. For the first time, in his relationship with the cost I do believe, first time maybe in his ownership of the Baltimore Ravens, our favorite owner on a microphone, Steve Boshaddy, the Baltimore Ravens,

said he negotiated with his GM to make a pick. What unfolded? Cinema. Hello? Hello? Hello. Is this Adam? Yeah, it is.

Adam, this Steve Boshaddy. I'm the owner of the Ravens. Yes, sir. Well, I'm good friends with your coach, Dabo. And, my GM, this is the first call I've ever done because my GM and I negotiated something this year for the first time. And that was that I was going to get a pick that I get to pick by myself. So I started working with Dabo a little while ago. and he told me that you are the highest character player he's ever had in his program. Yes, sir. I appreciate that.

Well, that's how highly he thinks of you. And so I started watching you and I found out your whole story about conceding being a wide receiver and doing what Dabo needed you to do most. Yes, sir. You've got a lot of growing to do and to become a good running back. But with your character and your past catching skills, I believe we just got you a year earlier than everybody else is going to find out how good you are. So we are about to put you in as the newest Baltimore Raven. Yes, sir. I appreciate y'all.

It sounds good. Where are you today? I'm in Myrtle Beach at home. With who? Your family? Yes, sir. So they're going to be excited that you're going to be taking handoffs from Lamar Jackson? Yes, sir. They are.

All right. Good. I'm going to let you talk to head coach mentor, okay? Okay. Welcome to the Ravens. I appreciate it. What a moment. That's beautiful.

I like the behind-the-scenes stuff of this. And how about first time ever the owner drafts Adam Randall, drafts anybody? That guy's going to get a lot of opportunities. Yeah. Jesse Mentor, first year head coach. Yeah. Yeah. He said, how's it going to tell your family,

you're going to be taking handoffs from Omar Jackson. He's going to be doing that. Okay, I think he sounds like the person that Bishotti would build a team around. For that to happen, I hope Adam Randall understands how special of a moment that is. And I hope this works out because we love Bishotti now that we're learning of him over the last couple months only.

Yeah, that's the first time I'm seeing that video too. That's really cool. I like how Bishotti says, with your high character and your past catching ability, you're going to have a good chance here. Like you, it's not, this isn't like a charity case because you're a good dude. because you're a stud on the field as well.

That's why I like that you have both of those. You conceded the fact that you're running back to go play wide receiver. I think we're a year ahead of everybody knowing that you're supposed to be a running back. It's like, Bashati might know ball a little bit, huh? And how about Dabo? Daboy still got the fastball with the mouth, huh? Oh, yeah. Dabo, I mean, he's the goat, obviously still.

Part of me when I'm seeing these, because I feel like maybe it's just recency bias. I feel like this year we're getting every single one of these kind of like behind the scenes looks at when these guys are getting drafted. and part of me is kind of like, I don't love that because this is, you know, one of like the more personal. A lot of these guys are crying. But the more you do get to see these, like it is just such a cool moment.

And that is one thing that I really do appreciate that all these teams put out because, you know, I mean, we see everything in the first round with the Dapups with Raj and stuff like that. But like this is the stuff that's really special when you see a fourth round pick or like a late round pick. And it's still, I mean, it means this, they might as well be going, you know, first overall. Yeah, look at the family. Look at the mom. I mean, the whole team, the community, everybody's been working for that their entire lives. Draft is still so special.

We're very lucky that we get to be a part of the coverage. I think a lot of people watch the draft. It sounds of it. Yeah, it feels like a lot of people. The draft has officially become a massive spectacle as it should. A lot of things happening around the NFL. It's also announced out of the Baltimore Ravens. They have signed Clay's Campbell.

We'll be his 19th NFL season. We got a chance to see this guy whenever Miami had their run during the college football playoffs. He was on the sideline towering over everybody in better shape. and everybody. One of the greatest teammates of all time and a man who's obviously wrecked shop on a football field at the defensive line position

not only getting to the quarterback stopping the run disrupting an offensive line special teams. This guy blocks kicks all the time. He's an avatar. This man's a monster. 19 years at D-Line and the interior A.J.

Callais Campbell going to Baltimore. Love that Jesse Minter said, yeah, I think we could have a Callais Campbell in the locker room for the first year around here. You know what's awesome about him? He can still play at such a high level. He's not like, hey, we've got the old savvy vet in here to teach the young guys how to go about it and, you know, the process and how to prepare for games.

Like, no, this dude is still making plays. Like, just what a, what a unique outlier? Like, he's going to be 40 years old on September 1st. Can you imagine being out there still? I mean, he's been in the trenches for so long and the dude continues to do it. Yeah, I hope he plays for 10 more years. Yeah, I think it's a cool thing. Jesse Mintor, we believe in, right?

I think so, yeah. I believe in Bashati. Definitely. He's changing his ways. Lamar. I believe in Lamar. I mean, Mattabike, their other stud,

D-tackle, he apparently is cleared. So now it's Calais Campbell, Matabeeke, Trey Hendrickton, and then their second round pick, Zion running, who's like 6-6-2-70. Cows a free agent. I know. They get re-signed him, that's what I'm saying.

I know. They bring in Callais Campbell, that kind of scares me. Actually, was my thought while I was watching Callais Campbell kind of do his thing, and then I thought about who Calais Campbell is as a teammate and how much of a leader is. Remember Tyreek was going through car that pulled

over. I mean like Callais is the epitome of an NFL teammate. Like that is not only he's forced to be listened to because anytime somebody that large talks everybody's going to listen you know, kind of comes with the care. Think about like there's never going to be any like

foolishness on that defense. Like if you are say you're going to walk through and guys are jacking around like Clayas is in the room. It's not going to have. Remember Lamar took all the TVs off? Yep. Yeah. The walls. All the games. Yeah there was yeah, because he said he would have taken the TVs off the wall if he could too, but Mr. B

paid for all that or something like that. Because Lamar, I think, was having a little bit of issues or maybe some Tom Fulery happening around that team last year in the locker room. Now, obviously, Harbaugh moves on. It's a new coach. I think Callais Campbell's a good signing. I'm a huge fan of his. And every time his name comes up, I bring it up,

you walk into an event and you look, scan the crowd, and events aren't really your thing, maybe? let's say I'm talking directly for me. Okay. Hate events. Don't like anything about them. Live in Indiana so we don't have to go to events.

Every once in a while I go to an event, good time, though. Always dependent upon who's there. Okay, who do you get trapped around at said event? There's always like a trappage that kind of happens at these events. Anytime I walked into one and you just scan and you see fucking big Callais at the back, it's like, that's where I'm headed. Okay, head down, straight to the massive guy. And that's happened numerous times.

Every time, good time. Every time, so nice to everybody. Every time, like just completely, like the energy, the juice, the whole, it's just like he's, he's a special individual. 19 years at D-Line out of the U is something that'll be First Ballot Hall of Fameworthy. And for him to continue to go, I hope we do cherish it. I think it was the Miami Hurricanes Old Miss game in Arizona, where he was there on the sideline for the U. And it was the same exact thing.

He sticks out like sort of them and you walk right over to him. He's like the nicest guy of all time. Yeah, definitely sounds like he looks. No doubt. Definitely. It's not a different voice. Like, where was I at Raw where that guy recorded me there? Was that San Jose, I think.

St. Louis, maybe? Yeah, one of the two. Some sort of San. I think it was San Jose. Yeah, guy had a camera, kind of a bigger guy, and he was like, you suck! And I'm so... Is that your actual voice right there?

Like, that was a genuine wonder. Callais Campbell opens his mouth. It's like, that's how... Mm-hmm. A 6'8, 19-year NFL D-Tack was supposed to say, deep. Yeah. He's got this deep air tone. And he's done good.

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From New versus Georgia, go dogs. Go dogs. James Hope will walk at Georgia's graduation ceremony on May 8th after completing his degree. Congrats to him. Obviously, this is something he wanted to get done. The NFL does a very good job of getting you in contact with the people to make these types of things happening. With e-learning now, who knows how many classes he had to show up for. How many he had to do at home, though.

Certainly mightily, he earned this. They didn't just hand this out. They don't just do that because. investigations happen and they could lose a bunch of stuff. He had to have done something. I hate whenever people immediately say like, oh, yeah, cool. James Cook bought a degree. It's like if that was as easy as that,

I'd have a degree right now. I do not have a degree. I got a lot of buddies that would have them, yeah, if it was that easy. They try. People do try. They definitely try. Certainly.

I thought about hiring a team to get me a doctorate. And I guess that's just not how it goes. So congrats to James putting a work in, the effort in to make this happen. And I know his family pumped up. AJ, do you graduate? Yes, I did graduate. Post getting drafted? No, I stayed. I was still in school when I got drafted.

I didn't finish up until that in May sometime. Did you red shirt or leave early? No, I was just there all four years. I played special teams, mainly my freshman year. And started those games and had like 15 tackled. I backed up C Grant, he rolled his ankle, so I got to start a couple times. Shout to him. Shout to you. Who knows how many hours I am away now.

was at 1.13 hours away? Can you imagine going to sit there? What if someone gave you a schedule? And they said, okay, for the next three months on Monday, Wednesday, you got to go to class from, you have at 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. Just that, just that one class. I don't know if I'd be able to do it. I wasn't able to do it in college. So that was kind of my big issue. It'd be impossible now, I feel like.

Yeah, the e-learning, I think, kind of opens some things up for people to maybe get back in there. But it's going to be hard for me to take anything serious at this stage. Yeah, because even the e-learning now with Zoom, it's like, that's still kind of a classroom. You're not just scrolling through. Like there's a teacher and you guys are all in a little box. Like we've seen those videos of people. But that was the whole thing with J.R. Smith too. And he went back.

Jared Smith was like, yeah, I'm going to class every other day. This is very difficult also doing this while playing golf. Yeah, they tried to give me to go back numerous times. Like, do you have any idea how much do you have left, though? So they wouldn't release. They wouldn't release. I had 100 parking tickets for my scooter. Sure.

Oh, yeah. Okay, my scooter had 100 parking tickets. So they would not release my... Diploma? No, not my diploma. I didn't graduate. My files. Yeah, right, right.

So the NFL was trying to get my files to see how many hours it was, and they were like, we're not releasing it. These guys got 100 some parking tickets or whatever, like for my scooter. I didn't know they could tie my scooter back to me. I guess they, like everybody else knew it was my scooter, because that thing was never registered to anything. So I kind of did a couple different times say, uh-uh, that's not mine. Those aren't mine.

And then they came back, yes. So pay that bill. get the, I think I had one semester at one point, but that was early in my career. They were trying to get me to finish it. I think it was D.T. David Thornton, who's director of player development, or maybe Rich, at the beginning. They were trying to get me to go back and do it. Now it's got to be, those hours have to be just multiplied, I would assume. Who knows how many of my classes that I actually went to and graduated from still count. Yes. I don't know if any of those things will count now. It's a whole different world now. I don't know because you didn't transfer. So if you only had 13 hours or like a semester left, I don't, I don't really know how they could fudge that and change. change that. I think that's pretty steadfast. Maybe James Cook motivated me here to walk across that stage. That would be cool. Yeah. Yeah. What?

Is anyone that goes to the league graduate? I said, come on. Now, you really think you're going to go back to college now. Let's come on. You've got a lot of time. You're not doing that. We can move on from that. We know that was quick. That came and went pretty fast, I think. Yeah, yeah, you're right. We are passing. But go on. What were you saying? Any of these guys that are in the NFL right now that are transferring? Does anybody

graduate? Yeah. Does anyone graduate? I know it's like a common thing. If you're a big recruit, you graduate high school early and you go enroll and you take part of spring ball. But then if you're going to go to the league, is how many people are graduating? You just have to count on all the guys that don't play to keep your graduation up. How about Coach K? Coach K was like,

they don't really do school anymore. So, like, it was that coach K that told me because the NIO? Because I have that question, like, do these guys have to show up at class? Like, are we still worried about them showing up a class? Now that we're paying them actually to do football? Like, is what takes press? What takes?

I mean, don't a lot of guys are strict. like online now. Yeah, but are they even doing that? They have to be like you look at like some of the big tens like it'd be during like basketball season and like teams from the Midwest would take like their West Coast road trip or they'd play Oregon, UCLA and USC and they stay out there. They're out there for like two weeks. But is everybody just eligible now? Yeah, I mean maybe. Yeah, I don't hear they want to be in ineligible do it. I feel like that you really don't hear that. Because if I'm ineligible and I can't be a thing. So I could sue the school for taking away money from me because are deeming me not able to get my money

here? I assume there's some. Well, don't they take, like, kind of like teachers or kind of guidance counselors on the road with them so that they kind of have some sort of study guide, and then during the summers, don't they take... Are these guys call Pete Thamble? We didn't know if they're doing the school. Is anybody doing the school?

I think so. When we get these guys who come on and commit, it's always for the next two to three years. Like, there is no there's no thought, or three to four, but even that, it's like, it's not... Because football, you have to do three, and if you're doing a summer semester. plus your two actual semesters. You only have to be there for three years to get your diploma.

That's right, Coach K was like, hey, look, they're here for 180 days, and then they're gone forever. Oh, yeah, because one and done actually. Yeah, basketball. You used to hear that. That used to be a thing that where people were ineligible. Andy Katzmore, the greatest linebackers ever in Ohio State. He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and said, like,

Ohio State is number one asterisk if the Big Cat is eligible because of this whole school situation where he didn't have enough credits or something. Yeah, eligibility really mattered whenever we were going through school. just stopped happening, I feel like. You know what? These kids are smart. They're smart. I think after COVID, they kind of just stopped Karen. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is the authority on college sports. Pete Thammell.

Yeah, Peter. Everybody in the 3-1, Pete, hey, we appreciate you for joining us, Pete. Do they do school anymore, college athletes? So, Pat, most college athletes, I would say, and we certainly don't have a holistic percentage on this, take classes online. Yeah, but do they do it?

We were talking about, we haven't heard of somebody being ineligible. And then would they even be allowed to be ineligible? Because then they can potentially sue because you're affecting money in gains if you were to deem them ineligible from something that wasn't their actual profession, which is football. Has anybody been ineligible because of academics since money has started flowing towards football players and athletes? I would say rare, rare, rare, rare. I'm sure somebody has. I can't think of anybody off the top of my head.

But that was an annual thing. like he's not going to make it or, you know, is missing games or didn't go to class. But ever since everything has shifted online and Reese's joked about this, the, yeah, there's been magically no, virtually no academic issues. This kids are all smarter. I'm happy about that. Hey, what's going on with the Sorsby stuff? Do we know anything now that we didn't know maybe a couple days ago?

And what do we think the fallout's going to be inevitably? I don't think there's anything particularly new. I think the scope of how much he gambled some of that has unspooled to use one of your favorite words, Pat, in the past few days. And I think before there's any definitive action on what happens next, I think he has to, you know, leave rehab. You know, and it's pretty simple. Do they take an uphill fight to try to regain his eligibility, which again, precedent would tell you is something would have to radically change, being an injunction or a rule change for him to get eligible if, you know, then say enforcement finds everything as it has been reported.

Or he goes to the supplemental draft. My understanding of the supplemental draft, which is a bit of an opaque world, is that you have to declare by June 30th. We haven't had, I believe, a supplemental draft the last two years. And I don't believe anybody has been taken in the supplemental draft since 2019. If Brendan Soresby did indeed go to the supplemental draft, he would certainly be the most prominent player since Josh Gordon, which was maybe a dozen or so years ago coming out of Baylor. But ironically, Pat, the reason you do end up in the supplemental draft is you

don't have eligibility, that I believe, without looking at the rules in front of me, is one of the tenets where this sort of loophole emerged because you weren't going to be able to be eligible to play at your school, you could then use this exit ramp and go there. So I have a feeling if it goes that way, we'll all be learning a lot more about the supplemental draft because it would be a, you know, look, he's a first round talent quarterback who was trending that way, certainly, and may have even been this year if he went. It's hard to say in a hypothetical, but he was certainly in the conversation, would have been studied by everybody and, you know, would have been in.

in the QB2-3 conversation. So we know a decision will be made by July then with the NCAA that's never happened, right? That would have to be a big part of the- No, that would mean he would have to declare by then. So this is the process. Yeah, but he would only declare right after an NCAA investigation and punishment came that deemed him ineligible or...

So we can always count on the NCAA working slowly, Pat. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. If there's one thing we could do. The unique part of how the gambling situation work is he has not technically, I believe, been declared ineligible yet, but he will be declared ineligible. If you have a gambling violation, a gambling allegation that arises or that's found, you are declared ineligible. And then the process proceeds through a reinstatement process. But before that goes, they have to obviously investigate everything. So that would all be

lengthy. So it would be surprising to me if there was NCAA clarity by June 30th. And that's not knowing anything like insightful, you know, from this case, but rather just covering these things for 25 years and how they tend to work. Got it. Okay. And I agree with you. I haven't been covering it for 25 years, but I've been around watching the NCAA operate. Us having an answer by July would be just, it won't happen. So he would potentially, okay, what if he did this? It's been done in the past. What if you said, you know what? I'm done, actually. I'm done. And they say, well, we want to look into your stuff, sorry, I'm actually not an NCAA person anymore, I'm going to leave.

He gets banned, but he could enter the supplemental draft, and then the NFL people would have to worry and do the investigation. Because if it's not any legal stuff, and it's just NCAA stuff, and he chooses to no longer do college stuff, is there an investigation happening? Like, is that his out, actually?

Just to say, the whole thing. I don't know. You would tell him me more, Pete, I guess. Yeah, I think, like, it would make sense to explore all possible. Like, coaches. have gone to the NFL before whenever there's about to be an NCAA thing, right? Correct. Yeah, no, that John Caliperi sort of invented beating the policy.

We saw Pete Carroll do it. It's happened quite a few times. So this would be a player doing it, right? Investigations about to happen? Actually, I'm going to go to the NFL. That would be the first time. So if there isn't a legal investigation, then we never really get... Yes, yeah.

My understanding is the only legal things that could emerge from this is like underage gamble, which is, you know, parking ticket stuff. That's not anything that's going to... So Sorzby could potentially, if he comes out of this rehab, not wanting to gamble ever again, which we hope happens for him. By the way, it sounds like... Sincerely, yes. Sincerely hope that.

We genuinely hope that happens again. And then they just shut down this investigation because he decides to go to the NFL. He could basically get a brand new, right? He could kind of get a brand new thing here with an opportunity. He misses out on $5 million from Texas Tech. Right. But this could actually be a... Coaches have done it with the NCAA. They'll say, you come back.

You can't show clause, whatever. But then this could actually... That's interesting that that could be the outcome here for Mr. Sorsby. Sounds like that should be what. he does because regardless if he's going to get suspended like he's not he's not ever going to see that five million dollars from texas tech right like that's that's not happening so he why wouldn't you i don't know yeah i'm very fascinated we're all talking about this live obviously this is not how most shows work uh but on that note that feels mr sorsby sounds like there is an ability in a chance for you to

change your life here you know and uh that very rarely does that happen we hope you are able to do that but if you bet on your own teams uh on a regular basis we would like to say You can't fucking do that to us. No. Can't do that to the sports world. A lot of people obviously attacking the coverage of sports, having sports gambling being prevalent, this is a two different world.

In the sport, take it from us, two ex-athletes. It's just two different things, like talking about sports and knowing that lines exist and where money is and everything like that, that is where we are as a society with sport. And that's how some societies

have been talking about sports for generations, at this exact point. So I just think athletes have to continue to be very disciplined. I don't necessarily think it's fair, but for the good of fucking everything in sport, we have to keep the integrity of the game. I think we all kind of understand that,

which is an interesting, the Sorsby thing's an interesting thing, because if he gets another chance, the NFL team is going to want to know a lot, but how are they going to get to know a lot if the NCAA doesn't get a chance to investigate? Because didn't Coach Harbaugh just say not? You just want to the charges? Fascinating.

Okay, last question from me, Pete. before we get out of here. And once again, anybody that's going through anything, any type of addiction, definitely gambling addiction. We hope you get to a point where you want to help yourself, just like Sorsby did there, and we hope that helping yourself sticks. As somebody who's been a part of a lot of different interventions for a lot of different things, it isn't until the person really wants it, and obviously you can motivate them. But if you're in a spot, know that you can get help, and people love you. And that should be something I hope Sorsby's hearing, even though it probably feels like his life is spiraling out of control. Last question right now from

me about college everything wasn't march madness good enough what are you changing it pete why are you adding teams to pete peter why are you doing this to march madness i don't think i understand why you i thought you liked college sports pete i thought you liked march madness now you're going to make what march surplus what why are we into a march mockery kind of it is kind of a little bit of march mockery yeah yeah we don't need any of this sir why did you do this apologies if I offended you by something I clearly didn't do and just am reporting on. I would say this is something, Pat, that there's been a drumbeat for this for a while. And as much as some people have cast this as a money grab, and there's certainly money involved.

No one's naive to that. This is really an access grab and a byproduct of these leagues ballooning to the size where they are. Right now, I believe off the top of my head it probably says something I don't know all this. cold. We have 18 in the Big Ten. I'm confident in that. I think we have 17 ACC schools, 16 SEC, I believe 16 Big 12. When this TV contract for college basketball was enacted or you can go all the way back, these leagues, well, there was a Pack 12, right? And these leagues weren't nearly the size that they were. And the money, obviously, that the power conferences can pay their players has created this huge separation, right, between the Power League's and the non-power leagues. And we can throw the Big East in there,

for basketball chat at this point. So the power leagues that now control the voting and, you know, have a big say in this, they want more of their mid-tier teams in the tournament. I'm sick of it. Sick of it. You know, we don't need all these. That has done a lot of the reaction, Pat. I mean, you are not, you're not on an island.

And what you and Ty and Connor were intimating there, obviously. That has been, there's been a strong rebuttal to this publicly. but we'll watch. You tend to follow the money, just like Woodward and Bernstein, taught us Big J. journalists a long time ago, and you follow the money, and you tend to get your answers. And this is, no, there hasn't been a significant expansion of the NCAA tournament since 1985. So things grow, things evolve. Basically, Tuesday and Wednesday now, the N.A. Tournament are going to have 12 total games, six each.

One set of those in the state of Ohio. And actually nice look at week. Yeah, it is. Okay. So just like I was going to say to you, my reaction, everybody's reactions, everybody's reaction. But then when it comes on, guess who's going to be paying the bill for all of it? Me and us. Now we get to shut it down for more days.

Okay. Go on, boys, we never heard of. Go on, 500 team from the Big Penn. Good luck out there, boys. Maybe you strike gold here in this March madness that has been blimped up a little bit. We have a minute left here on ESPN before we continue. you digitally. I'll let Tone ask you the question, but if I cut you off in the middle

of your answer, it's because I got to send people to Sports Center. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Pete, big news yesterday, the Big 12 approved the deal with Redbird Capital, private equity, I believe, companies. So now if schools opt in, believe they get $30 million. Is that on top of the

20-some-odd million or whatever they get in revenue sharing already? And why would a school not opt in to get the $30 million? Yeah, actually, Tom, very few it feels like from the Big 12, the early field is very few will do this. You have to pay it back. That's why you don't do it, right? Like, it's just not, there's no free money anywhere.

Other than the field goal kick, Pat, there's no free money in America. Oh, you think that's free? Yeah, that's expensive. Yeah, somebody's paying to be on game day every year. Random sophomore in Athens, right? So, yeah, P.E. is on its way into college sports. We're feeling it and seeing it in different ways. It's manifested on the campus side.

It's now manifested on the conference side. and there will be more of it, not less of it, as things go on to him. 30 million, or 30 million, I wonder what percentage of revenue they're looking for for how long. Are you signing one of those 20-year deals then with Redbird Capital? How many people will be in charge whenever this bill actually comes, five to 10 years from now? Will there be people that are looking out for their asses right now? We can get an extra 30-mill right now. Who cares who's going to have to pay the bill 10 years from now?

There'll be some of those types of decisions made. I assume commish, who is the one that probably negotiated this deal, would like to see some of his teams use this. Remember, we had an LED basketball court. He obviously changed that. He does like to think. This guy is a forward thinker. I think we have a lot of respect for your check.

Your Mark. Hunter. Fuck. Sorry, Your Mark. No. Hunter, you're a check. Brett Your Mark. Hunter Your Check is the Arkansas AD. Brett Your Mark is the forward-thinking Big 12.

And I would like to let forward-thinking Big 12 commission your mark know. I got respect for him and his twin brother. They are good business people. And West Virginia women's basketball team and our rifle team are their big 12 champs. So I would be interested to see if WVU decides to do this. Very interesting. Yeah.

As well I, my hunch would be no, but I'm not sure. Yeah, but who would be making that decision? The president, the AD? Yeah, what if Rich Rod wants to do it, but the president, AD, don't. Sorry. I think those would be, you know, board decisions, high-end decisions like that, if you will. I know. High level.

That is. Legit, though. It has to come from somebody that's potentially going to be there. Yeah. When this shit has to get paid. Because there's everything so cyclical. I'm not cyclical. What would that mean?

Revolving? Everything's so revolving at some of these big 12 schools. Like, Ren Baker, we thought we were going to lose Ren Baker when any AD job leave. So if AD is making this decision to check into one of these private equity things, it's like, AD, is he going to be here in 15 years? Does he care if we're fucking paying 15% of revenue 15 from years from now? whatever the percentage is for 30 million right now. I don't think so. And some of these people might be big risk takers. It's like, hey, if we take this 30 million, we can compound it,

pay this thing off quick, and then we should cataport ourselves into a monster spot. Presidents, too, they change. We've had a president change the last couple of years. It's like, who's making that? That's a big decision. Huge. It's like high school kids signing these deals that are like, hey, we'll take a percentage of this for this long. It's like you're kind of weighing everything in the future. And how much striking gold now helps, you know? Deferred are good because you know you got something coming later, but what if you strike fucking now, then you don't worry about what the payment is later because it's only going to grow. Good luck out there, 30 million being available.

Pete Tamil, we hope you would take it because if we put a $30 million dollar rocket on your back, you'd be at fucking Mars, pal. You're the man. We appreciate the hell out of you, Pete. Thank you. Good to see you guys. Goodbye, Pete. You get $30 million rocket, basically, for your organization.

I wonder what you have to give up for that 30 million. Yeah, what percentage of revenue later in life? Well, you go on to win, though. You get all that money from the CFB and all that stuff. That's what I'm saying. What if you don't win? If I... Then you leave.

I think you heard me explaining there. True. Okay. The downfall of this is the people that are potentially not going to be there are going to be making decisions for future generations of whatever that are going to have foot the bill. What is the bill? We don't know.

Okay, we have not seen that detail yet. We probably get it from your mark if I had to guess. I'm sure we could probably find that out before tomorrow's program. We'll do some... journalisming, but if I'm a dog and I'm in one of these powerful positions, I get, what are we all looking for all fundraising, right? We're going to get $30 million to do whatever we need to do right now. I think I'm betting on the boy. I think I'm betting on the team. I think I'm betting on us to use this $30 million to put us into a different stratosphere.

Now, if it doesn't work, I'm getting fired and I'm not there. Which, I don't have to pay the bill. So of course you're taking it. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. He said he doesn't think a lot of schools you're going to do. It's like push comes a shove. You get people in a room. hey do you want 15 maybe you can get up to 30 you want 15 million dollars to maybe help here this is what you're giving up it's like it would definitely that's like a reality show they need to be filming this shit you got to present that to the board of the chancellors those people that are there that will be there 10 years from now I guess then you got to you got to talk them into yeah it'll be interesting to see who does it they should make the money back yeah there you

that's what they should they should be doing because that's a huge decision you're just you're obviously this is every negotiation but you're leveraging the future for the moment can you create the moment to be bigger than what the future would be. If I'm there, Mountaineers, we get 30 million right now? How much is Cody Campbell giving to their fucking deal on? Exactly. 20 million? Okay, I guess we'll beat

beat Cody Campbell for a year. Let's go ahead and try that out. And I guess that will be the tough sell because the Board of Regents are all people who have either been there for like 10 plus year or will be there for the next. You know, so you can't just do like, well, you know, hey, yeah, this doesn't work out. I'll just make a lateral move to a different

big time conference that's kind of down there, you know, lower towards the bottom. When they fire their GM, I'll just leak to my agent. Hey, you know, it's just, I need a fresh start. I think I want to go to, you know, Colorado instead. Bruce just said that the media rights deals are up in 2031 as well. So if you're deciding to get this money, you can always sell a fake number coming in 2031.

Yeah. You can always sell, especially with some of these deals that are happening around sports, you can just say, oh, we're going to get fucking 75 million of school. This won't even matter. We're probably going to join maybe even the Big Ten. I mean, there's a chance, you know, so this money, I'm thinking more people are going to use it than less people. Texas Tech, they're definitely going to think it. Yeah.

Do they need it, though? Yeah. What schools need it? No. Oh, they're not going to give up 15%. Yeah, exactly. What is the percentage? We need to know what the percent.

What's this guy? I'm calling him. Cody Campbell, he could just cut a check for the return right away. He can get $30 million. Yeah. What the fuck is this guy? guy's number. This is not

something else. We'll find out about the Big 12 going for you. I have some breaking news, I do believe. Okay. Wayne Gretzky has texted us. Wayne O'all?

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Huck. Hi. By way away. You got to figure out what Big 12's got going on. Yep. On it. Who knows? We'll see you tomorrow.

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