The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1547 - Ian Rapoport, Kendrick Perkins, Cameron Young, Shams Charania, Gary Bettman, Pete Crow-Armstrong

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk and the boys cover the latest in the NBA and NHL playoffs, golf, and the NFL. At the top of the show, we are joined by ESPN’s newest NFL Insider Ian Rapoport to discuss the news that the NFL and the NFL Referees Association are close to a new deal, with a vote on ratification set for Thursday Night, Stefon Diggs acquittal, Aaron Rodgers future, and more. After Rapsheet, we are joined by NBA Champion, 15 year NBA veteran, Kendrick Perkins joins us to recap the Pistons Game 1 win, everybody complaining about SGA foul baiting, how long LeBron could keep playing, why he likes the Timberwolves to beat the Spurs in their series, and more. After Kendrick, winner of the Cadillac Championship & reigning Players Champion Cameron Young stops by to take us into his recent run of success, the reasons why he called a one stroke penalty on himself, his thoughts on the LIV players returning to the PGA, and more. To start the second hour we are joined by ESPN’s NBA Insider Shams Charania to cover the breaking news that Joel Embiid will be out tonight as the 76ers take on the Knicks in Game 2. After Shams, we are joined by the NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman to talk about the amazing viewership of the NHL playoffs so far, what goes into being an NHL referee, the NHL Draft Lottery last night, the quality of play on the ice, and more. To wrap things up we are joined by MLB All-Star, Cubs Centerfielder, Pete Crow-Armstrong, who tells us about the Cubs 7 game win-streak, the hot start to the season for the entire NL Central, how he feels when he’s hitting the ball well, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We will be back tomorrow LIVE from the ThunderDome. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

People and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this big sports Wednesday, May 6, 2026. This program begins now. Sports! They are the greatest and playoffs are happening every single night in the NBA and the NHL and keeping us wildly entertained, and we can't think the athletes out there are doing it enough for everything that they're putting on the line. Even some guys, okay, Mr. Vanderbilt for the Lakers last night, four years on a team, mostly a defensive specialist in a game one against Oklahoma City

in Oklahoma City getting her asses beat actually dislocates his pinky so much that it pops out of his skin and the Oklahoma City team sees it and get immediately disgusted. What do you got? Oh, geez! We got all, oh, the boys, the lads in the back saying, oh, that's disgusting.

Now we're here and obviously that he's going to have to get that stitched up, obviously put the bone back in the skin, but that's possible at any time than any of these players injuries, obviously can be much worse than just a pinky popping out of their skin, but that is certainly something that is very gruesome and disgusting. So we appreciate what all these guys are going through every single night

for us to be entertained in the sports world. The NHL swinging a hot bat and guess what? The hottest bat of them all might be in Colorado over there. This mile high team in the avalanche. They're bigger, stronger, tougher, and better are. I mean, that's just what they are. Coming into the Stanley Cup playoffs, everybody that knew hockey, which is obviously not who we are claiming to be

the super duper hockey experts, but everybody that is deemed hockey experts go, I mean, that's just tick-tac-to-rate they're in the play. That's against a very good Minnesota wild team. There's basically playing with them, pulling with them. That's goal. That's goal. Everybody's a goal. McKinnon's killing people and also scoring goals. These team coming into the playoffs is being talked about as baby being one of the best

in the history of hockey with how great they are with the run that they can go on. And they're proven to do just that. They are pounding teams. And it's not just scoring more goals. Haight! It's not just scoring more goals. It's beating the shit out. Here's Quinn Hughes, obviously American legend.

We appreciate him. That's McKinnon. Star of the Colorado Avalanche, obviously. superstar. Quinn Hughes lost an edge a little bit there, but let's look at this one here. Night night. That's down 5-2, the Minnesota Wild Guy. Getting bodied off the thing by the star of the other team late in the game. It's just like this avalanche team is rude. This avalanche team is strong. And this avalanche team will actually go ahead and bang! Bunch a bunch of ref right in the head as well.

It is an avalanche run, kind of like an avalanche happening in the NHL playoffs. it'll be excited to see who can keep up with them. The NBA, obviously, always delivering. We have Gary Bettman, the NHL commissioner, Kendrick Perkins, joining us today. Cam Young, PGA champion multiple time now this season, obviously an absolute superstar. And Pete Crow Armstrong of the Chicago Cubs joining us. So we have a pretty big little sports day here, and we're thankful for it all. Also, Junior, Rapsheet will be joining us in a matter of moments because there's big NFL news.

Let's go to the toxic table at Boston Connor and Toxic Tone. Conman, playoffs delivering every single night. always having a little bit of controversy as well. You know, always a little controversy. Last night, LeBron James was facing his biggest underdog spread in the history of him playing the playoffs. 15 and a half points. And I thought to myself, as somebody that is that LeBron's supporter has been since the beginning,

LeBron's going to war right now, the biggest he's ever, you know, had to kind of take on. I'm a ride with him, okay? I'm a, why not? I never know if this will happen again. I'm a ride with him. Then the other thought was I just watched the Knicks just absolutely pummel a team. Oh, yeah. And his Oklahoma City team has kind of been a team that is not scared to kind of pummel a team.

And would this Lakers team get pounded by this Oklahoma City team? There's certainly a chance that could happen. Is LeBron about to lose by more than 15 and a half? I don't care. I'm riding with him. So I ride with LeBron plus 15 and a half. I also bet on Shea to have at least 25 points because he scores 20 points literally in his sleep. Every game, yeah.

What happens? Shea doesn't score 20 points for the first time since he's 12 years old or something like. Like, I forget the number. Years. It's been forever since he's done it. So I lose that bet. LeBron plus 15.5. Nah, nowhere near.

No way here. She scores 18 points, and they just pummel the Lakers. LeBron was asked afterwards, like, hey, how do you think you keep up with this team? He goes, I mean, let's just be honest. Luca Donchuk is Luca Donchukes because he scores more points than anybody else. He averages like 37. We don't have 37 points. Do you know what this game would look like if we had 37 more points out there?

That would certainly be great. But the thought about the conversation about this Oklahoma City team is, obviously, JJ Reddick attempted to eliminate SGA. Every basketball person that we talked to this morning is like, J.J. Reddick is a little bit of an extremist. He's certainly going to do what he has to do to try to eliminate. The rest of Oklahoma City team absolutely dominated Conman. And you ended up picking, I believe, Oklahoma City minus 15 and a half

whenever you were push coming to shove to Gambo a little bit, I think. And you looked up what happened in the regular season between these two teams. This might be four no more. Oh, yeah. type series here, and I don't like that at all, Conman. Yeah, you're referencing the 4-0. OKC was 4-0 against the Lakers in the regular season, and their average margin of victory was like 29.9 points, so 30 points.

They were basically beating the breaks off of the Lakers consistently. Luca Donkitch, you mentioned. I believe he got hurt, actually, against OKC in the last game that they played against one another. Now, the whole, like, hey, 37 points is a difference for missing Luca Donkich. Definitely huge. I saw yesterday they were talking about Donovan Mitchell being number two in playoff points per game, you know, per, you know, every single year, whatever, all time. And Luca Donkitch is actually fourth. So it is a massive loss.

OKC's also dealing with their second best player. Jalen Williams being out. That's huge. You know, you think about that. So both teams a little banged up. But yeah, this is why the NBA playoffs are just different than the NHL playoffs. You know, the NBA playoffs. We're talking about the greatest basketball player of all time getting the doors blown off.

team by the Oklahoma City Thunder. Like, that doesn't really happen very often. Can you put a pause there real quick? You just said with like an exclamation point. He did. Foxy, did you hear that? The greatest of all time. Basketball player of all time.

It's got a nine-year NFL vet. Darius J. Butler here joining us. D. But you look incredibly cool. Great week. Appreciate you traveling up here as always. Connor just, I believe, kind of. Put a standpoint. He did. He kind of just put his flag down. What are we talking about?

I don't know why we're doing this. I've never been a Jordan or LeBron guy, but when it comes to just basketball as a whole, he's the only guy that's top 10 in every single category. Deba Conner's just saying the same thing to Kyle Hamilton's saying. Baltimore is. It's sad. Some people will leave this earth.

And I think LeBron is the greatest. Got to be like living life and black and white. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of upgrades, you know, now they've got 8K, 9K. He's saying, hey, you're talking real old school. If we're not talking about this guy being the. greatest. I would like to let everybody know. I do not participate in this particular debate strictly because I think they're playing two different sports. I think they're playing two different

sports. I think you participated a lot over the last week or so. I think the sport that was being played, okay, that Michael Jordan completely changed, completely evolved, flipped on its head, certainly by far, absolute dog in the history of dogs. I think he's the greatest in that particular game. Okay. This guy, I do not have memories, really, without this guy being the best player to ever walk. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I'm 39. I got my second child on the way.

I'm into a second career pretty deep into this thing. This guy is still doing it. Amen. I don't know how the most playoff games, the most points, the most this, the most that, the most... But he does it have Michael Jordan's killer instinct. They can't do what MJ did. I haven't seen him go cradle underneath the thing. And it's like, okay, are we nitpicking everything?

two different sports. LeBron would have been great back then. Jordan would have been great now. Greatest of each sport. Same sport. Sport that I'm alive for to watch. LeBron's definitely the guy. Last dance did not help.

I had a lot of people tweeting me telling me that I need to watch Last Dance and like learn basketball a little bit about what Michael Jordan did. And it's like, really, do I need to do that? Because I saw some misses. I had never seen those before for Michael Jordan. I'd only seen the makes. I had never seen a single miss. Exactly.

And I was seeing some of the other people that were he was playing against. And they were dribbling that ball as if they were. on the Harlem Globetrotters as the highest dribblers in the history of dribbling basketballs. I mean, it was just, it was tough for me. They would both be great. They're both the grits. They're both the grandkids. There's eras.

We can go all the way back to Bob. And I mean, I wear Jordans. I don't know why we're doing this. This is not the point of anything. We said it. We should go all the way back to Bob Coosie. We shouldn't just go to the eyes. Right.

It should be eras. We should go all the way to the 50s. Coozy. Then Russell. And, I mean, of course, the mic and dr. How can we leave out the mic and drill? Then we can go to Dr. Dres and Magic Johnson and Larry Byrd. But really, if we're talking about greatest of all times, I mean, it's hard to put anybody above Bob Coosie. Just because of what he did.

No, you already. You already stayed. No, no. I'm doing everything. Usually it's just LeBron Jordan. If we're including everybody, Bob Coosie, baby. And you can throw in Bill Russell there, too, because he won 11 titles. Okay.

I'm surprised you didn't try to sneak in Byrd, too, just because you smoke six in between I mean, Larry's saying a lot of stuff. We've learned a lot about it. Larry's putting up Braun numbers before Braun. But with that being said, 41 years old, he still kind of kind of did his part last night. Look, the team is overwhelmed. But it's the other guys. We always talk about the other guys.

You talked about JJ Redick and how he tried to take or limit SGA. But the other guys were hitting a bunch of shots. That was not the case for the Lakers. Austin Reeves didn't really show up. Ayn had a double double, but he wasn't really impactful. Rui kind of did his thing. They missed a ton of open shots. And look, this is just a better team.

It's a reason why they were 15.5 point dogs. They'll win this series in commanding fashion. Is SGA flopping? I'm seeing a lot of theatrics. I'm seeing a lot of theatrics. I need a question. There's a bucket get her out. 5-12.

First quarter. Now, Brick Center, I do believe, on X, certainly took some liberties on what was a flop, what was not a flop, what was maybe over-dramatized. But a lot of it was happening in the first quarter. it felt like the tone was being set by SGA to maybe try to get a call,

maybe they wouldn't give them a call, so then the internet went crazy. I think there was maybe a few floppity flops throughout the game by SGA, but I think there's also a lot of, like, he just lets people know that a foul just happened. You know, like he's pretty dramatic. Yeah.

Like, he is pretty... It's kind of the league, you know, it's the league today. He's zany with it. Yeah, he's got a lot of pizzazz on his fouls. I think, like, actual fouls, though. Like, I, after watching him live last year, and I keep saying this all the time, and I'm just trying to put into perspective of how TV versus real life works. It's hard for me to act like SGA getting fouls is the reason why he's good,

whenever you watch him in real life. And it's just like this guy, this guy's everywhere all the time, and he's so good at basketball. And he's so smooth. But I think he is a little bit over dramatic on the actual fouls. Because Brick Center put one out where the guy clearly hits him, clearly hits him in the elbow. but then he does a full, you know, like a full, yeah.

Kind of make sure they see it. Exactly. So I think there is a little bit of embellishment potentially happening, which I think is a soccer thing that happens as well. But I think SGA gets falsely accused of being a free-throw merchant because they think all his embellishment are flops, if that makes sense. I think personally. And just people, I think, universally know how good he is and they get more upset at the fact that he doesn't have to do that stuff, I think.

Like you mentioned the brick center. There's multiple. in that video that we're fouls, for sure, but people who just watch it, it's another reason to pile on them. I think the majority... That's because he's flailing. Yeah, he's...

That stuff, but, you know, and B, we see it damn near every night. People do that. Like, both teams argue about the other team doing it to them, but it's more so just like, hey, SGA, we know you don't need to do this. So that's why people get so upset.

SGA, you play your game, they're in the middle of a dynasty right now. And they are very, very good at the basketball. Let's pivot away from the NBA, which we'll talk to Kendrick Perkins here, in about 15 minutes. Can't wait to catch up with Big Perk. We appreciate the fact that he's joining us today.

And the NBA has been awesome. Like, it has been a lot of fun. The NHL has been crushing it. And the NFL always staying alive. Big news kind of broke yesterday's quietly via Seaford tweet, alongside Kalyn Kaler. The negotiations between the NFL and the NFL Referees Association have progressed far enough that the union has scheduled a ratification vote on Thursday night.

And they're not scheduling a vote for no reason. They think this is a vote that could potentially get passed. Now, will there be bickering amongst the refs the staffs, association and maybe a vote does not come back yes. Possibly, I guess anytime you have a vote, that is certainly possible. But I don't think this refs association is one that is dissected much. They are, they are a tight bunch. So if they are putting it to a vote, I assume they've already made that decision.

Congratulations to all football fans, if that is the case. To give us more information, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, junior NFL Insider at ESPN, senior NFL Insider at NFL Network. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise, reduce Ian Rappaport. Yay. Hey, what up, Jr.? I mean, I mean, come on. I also like how last time we spoke,

you guys were debating Kobe and LeBron and Jordan, and now, like, come on, you're still debating LeBron and Jordan. It's happened a lot lately, right? Welcome to ESPN, baby. Welcome to the ESPN, baby. Welcome to the family. Hey, great to have you. Great day. Do you have any thoughts? Is the next segment going to be how Micah doesn't get any calls?

Because that's really like, dating back to his Cowboys days, plus Packers, plus ref controversy, I feel like that's sort of the next level of discussion debate. We'll see whenever we get to that. It's right around the corner for sure. But LeBron's 41 now, Warrington of a conversation. And I think a lot of people that have sat on these particular microphones haven't been of the age that we are. Like, I'm 39 years old. LeBron's older than me. So I have grown up much like how a lot of other sports media people grew up with Jordan

as somebody they were a fan of. So I do think we come from a different perspective. But on that note, people do love watching it we've learned. I mean, there is just watching the Jordan LeBron. Oh, really? Yeah, the internet stuff. Internet reactions are just immediate number.

I thought it was the opposite. It literally happens. I would say, just speak from our group chats, it happens a lot. Yeah, dude, it's an immediate buzz, which is why it became the thing. But we're not going to continue to do that. Nope. We didn't mean to. You.

Whole times we didn't. You. No. You. No. The greatest basketball player on planet Earth in the history of playing it. I mean, that's because I thought it was just kind of a matter of fact. I wasn't even bringing it up.

Exactly. Which does become the whole thing. And I don't want to get into it. I didn't mention Jordan. Raps in a car. Raps in a car. He's got somewhere to go. Got a luncheon. Thankfully, he is not driving.

Please tell Miss Leah, we say thank you for the time here. All right. Let's talk about the refs. They say thanks. Big pop. Hi, Miss Leah. Good to see. Thank you so much for the time. I'm sure you don't feel like you're just wasting life away right now.

So we will get to this as quickly as possible. The NFL Ref Association, putting this to a vote on Thursday night, we believe, because of how tight the refs association has proven to be over the years, this means that this is something that is passing. This is a huge, huge piece of information as we look ahead to the next season, because with the replacement refs of the past, it became state fair football. And with how popular the game is where the league is trying to go, and everything else we got going on,

especially with sports gambling and amount of money being wagered and everything that's taken place, the replacement refs, I think, would have been a detrimental blow to the NFL and its steam that it has going on. I think it's a big deal. Tell me how we got here, rap,

and tell me what you think this means. I agree with you. I think this is a really, really big deal. And, you know, it's weird because you have some topics like we just discussed that are hot button and people like have to get into it, have to weigh in, have to...

this is sort of not one of them. You said, you know, use the word, quietly when you talk about the break of this, like yesterday, I would agree because people are, okay, well, it's going to get done. Yes, I do think eventually it will get done. The real story would have been, if it had not gotten done, what kind of disaster would it have been for all the reasons you mentioned. It certainly seems like it's headed toward ratification. You're right. If the Ref Association is scheduling a vote, you've got to believe that they have supreme confidence that there's going to be a deal that their members are going to ratify. And as far as like,

what this all means and kind of, you know, looking forward, I would say it represents a pretty good investment from the NFL and from the owners in officiating, in training, in development, in, you know, sort of using the referees more than just like on Sundays or Thursdays or Mondays during the season, you know, making better use of them during mini camp, during joint practices, during training camp, sort of, you know, shortening the amount of dead time that they have. and just getting them on the field to work. And I think that's, you know, that's something, just more reps is better. And I think that's something that's going to help.

The other thing that I wouldn't be surprised to see is a little more focus on sort of accountability and less on seniority, right? Like more of a focus on if you are good, you will get rewarded. Hell yeah. And we will see it. And if not, then we will not see you as much and you will not have as many high-profile assignments. So I think those are sort of the hot button important points here is that this is going to lead to better officiating, which is good. Okay, so the NFL wanted all those things.

They wanted accountability. They wanted off-season work. They wanted a little bit more of that. The NFL Ref Association, I believe they wanted more money. I believe that was a part of the negotiation. We can assume that both sides probably put their swords down for a little bit of an agreement. And do we expect the NFL Ref Association to come out of this very, very happy and excited about what the new day could be alongside. technology and development in the off season, or is this going to be like a process of weeding

out all the old refs that are going to hate everything about this and a newer class of refs that are kind of coming through? Now, there has been some, I would say over the last like maybe four or five years, there has been some weeding out of older refs or refs that haven't been, nothing related to age, but refs that have not been performing in a way that they want. So we've sort of already seen that. I would expect the Referees Association considering how much sort of drama was in this,

how much angst and frustration all the way through. Once you get to a point where you're on the cusp of a deal, I would expect both sides to be pretty happy. But, you know, this has been, like, stressful. Like, I started calling around yesterday when I started hearing this before Seaford and Kalen Scoot me. And... Get owned.

I know, right? I know. Nobody would talk about it because they were kind of like, don't want to mess it up. Don't want to do anything to spook it or jinx it. I think everyone's in a good place. I think they just want to get it done, and it is extremely good for the game that it will get done.

I think it is extremely good for the game. Shout out to the refs getting it done before the deadline. That's them wanting the game to get better as well, especially if they're being tasked with becoming more accountable, which no group wants to contractually signed to. I don't think that is something that necessarily a union wants to sign up for, especially when they haven't really had it for a long time. So thank you to the refs for getting that deal done.

and also shout to the NFL for getting a deal done. Understanding this is a big deal. I think the money is going to have, I think there's probably going to be a little bit of a, if I had to guess, I think those refs probably got a good bit of more money, if I had to guess. And the good thing is,

none of us will care. As long as they're getting better and the accountability is real. And I think that's what the NFL probably realized whenever they were negotiating. It's like, hey, if we have to tell the owners that we're paying the refs this amount of money, but the game's going to get better

and nobody, the fans aren't going to care either way. Actually kind of a good thing. We do this. Way to get a deal done. That could have been a disaster. A disaster. Yep. Last time was not great.

Oh, AJ was on the field for that fail merry up there. I mean, it is. That was just one play that people remember. That was every play, every down in the NFL, because there's so many things. Putting the ball on the right hash or the left hash or in the middle or the yardage marker or spotting things. Or what balls in the game?

Whose balls are in the... I mean, just like so many... Just a logistical bullshit that is not even like a real thing. That's every play. And then obviously, in the NFL professional football, if the ball's on the left hash, as opposed to the right, there's probably a different play call potentially. So then the ball is supposed to be on the left hash.

We're calling a play in. Well, actually, the ball's now on the right hash. Now, look, how is the ball on the right hash? Then somebody calls down. Yeah, it should be on the left hash. Got a stop thing. Hey, we're going over to left hash. That's second down now.

Okay, that's the second play of the game. I mean, that's just one thing. And with the eyes and everything, with how the league is viewed, thank God. Thank God. Way to go over there, Rod. Good work, everybody. Way to go, refs. Great job.

All right, let's talk about some other deals that could potentially be lingering. Obviously, there's a lot of big name free agents still available, but it feels like one name of interest could have got a little bit more interesting. Yesterday, Stefan Diggs was found not guilty on all of his charges in a very public court case that was taking place from his chef. he, Stefan Diggs has to feel very vindicated after everything that we saw in this particular situation in case. Obviously, it was very, very public. I assume there was a lot of people watching to learn what the details were on this around NFL teams to see where we're at, what we're at. What does this mean for Stefan's career, you think, as free agency looms? And I saw him back on a treadmill already on his IG story.

Always working. Yeah, I mean, he has, from the beginning, maintained his innocence, talk to agent, lawyer. like they have been adamant to wanting to fight this because they have firmly, firmly believed that he is not guilty for a variety of reasons. Like, it will come out, it will come out. And then he had his day in court and found not guilty basically exactly like they said. I would say this. He is still, he's 32 or 33, still very good, still very productive. There's a lot that goes into signing him.

But I think he showed last year with the Patriots with a really good team. Now, you know, the off-the-field stuff, obviously that got handled. But as a player, it seemed like it went well. Like, you know, there can be a lot for him. And I think there's been a couple places where maybe he's worn out as welcome. In the right situation, it seemed like it went well. And he was good and productive and reliable. So I would imagine the teams who were waiting for this have gotten the kind of answer that they had hoped.

And I would expect him to have a pretty good market because, like, you look around. how many game-changing receivers are there? I mean, no disrespect to a lot of those players. I mean, there still can be some guys who make an impact, but he's got to be close to the top of the list among really healthy players. Tyree Killed be in the same category, obviously, not healthy yet, but this was a very good day for Stefan Diggs, no doubt. And Connor thinks maybe he comes back to the Patriots,

especially with the June 1 trade, potentially lingering with A.J. Brown. Who knows what the deal would look like for Stefan Diggs after last year with the Patriots or elsewhere? He's always in the best shape. He recovered from an injury with no problem. You mentioned Tyree Kill there. Tyreek's been obviously a topic of conversation,

maybe going back home for a reuniting of sorts. DeBud has a question for you. Diggs had a miraculous healing almost. Seems like the same thing is going on with Patrick Mahomes out in Kansas City. Any update with the Chiefs quarterback, Patrick Mahomes? So they're going to have OTAs in pretty soon, actually. And I wouldn't

be surprised based on the words of Andy Rehombs. if he's out there, right? It's ACL, it's LCL. The chiefs have an excellent medical and training staff, so they're going to make sure that if he is on the field, he is out of harm's way and he's okay. The thing I would say is, you know, rehab sucks and players hate it and it's miserable. And to allow him to be on the field is a little bit of a reward for the work he's done. He has been, he has been working. Like surgery immediately, in the next day for seven hours. Like, he's, he has been working. So this feels to me like the team is like, you know what?

You have earned the right to be on the field for OTAs. What I would say is this does not necessarily mean that he's going to be on the field when the season starts. That is all very different. And that's really more like medical and training like milestones where he hits them. If he is not on the field, I think this team will be okay. And obviously trading for Justin Fields, they've prepared for this. But either way, whether he's on the field in September or whether he's on the field. October. He's still not going to be 100,000% like he was. So they're still going to have to

run the ball and protect him for a little bit this season. All right. If he's not 100,000, maybe it'll be, you know, 100 to be cool. 99,000 or maybe, you know, 98,000. And I know Justin Fields is over there. Nussmeyer can move and spin it. Look out. Okay, Nussmarke, he's sevens round traffic. That's going to be interesting. That's going to be really interesting. I don't know. I don't know how he's going to be in the NFL, but I do know. like he can spin it and he can move and he's got a lot of moxie. Yeah, so I think he'll be liked over there.

Yeah. But Justin Fields obviously has NFL experience and whenever he has the ball in his hands, he's the most electrifying guy on the field. Yes. Now when he throws it, his owner comes out and says, we don't have a quarterback to complete a pass. So Andy Reid fixed that.

We shall see. Maybe. Last question here before we have to move the NBA because they're in the middle of the playoffs. God con man. Yeah, rap she do. It was just kind of floated through the rumor mill. Rogers to Arizona, does that have any legs whatsoever,

or is he probably most likely going back to the Pittsburgh Steelers? No legs for that one. What? I certainly don't expect it. Sorry to disappoint everyone. Don't expect that. I do not expect him to sign in Arizona. I expect if he is going to play to play for Pittsburgh.

And, you know, you're sort of getting to that point where you'd really like an answer. But we're in the same situation we've been, which is that like, it's Aaron Rogers. So you don't want to be like, hey, we need an answer. answer because he might go, no, you don't. And then they don't. Like, they don't. They would like one. I would like one. Everybody would like one. But you sort of don't. So, when he

decides to play football, if he decides to play football, I expected to be for the Steelers. I expected to be for the contract where they sort of figured out based on the UFA tag. I just, you'd sort of like it to be before OTAs or at least Minicamp, and that's getting to be pretty close here. All right, we'll see

how it all goes. We know he's busy. Yeah. And then when he's done, Is he? He's getting busy again. Yeah, he's working out. Yeah. Working, you mean like... He's doing the appre lunch that you and Leah are about to go to.

You know what I'm saying? You're the man. We appreciate the hell out of you and Leah. Thank you, guys. See you, rap sheets. Goodbye. I did see someone yesterday say, and I can't remember who it was. It was on Twitter that, you know, Aaron did hate replacement refs.

So maybe who's waiting to see if they get a deal done. Yeah, Phil Mary was also a part of his. legacy as well out there. Joining us now from the NBA, the association, man it got drafted straight out of high school, 15-year veteran of the NBA, a champion in a man who obviously lights up every television that he pops on. Formerly

would say, carry on. After everything, he's kind of buried that, got everything else that's brand new. Ladies and gentlemen, Big Park. Yeah, Big Park! Carry home. Hey, I got greatness behind me, baby. I got greatness behind me.

Was I listening, right? Did I hear Connor complaining? about SGA. I wasn't complaining, Perk. I wasn't complaining. I was just kind of saying what everybody was thinking. Well, everybody needs to stop thinking that. And that narrative needs to stop

because I could remember at one point of time, we used to praise Michael Jordan for his ability to get to the free throw line. We used to praise Kobe Bryant for his ability to get to the free throw line. I thought all greats got to the free throw line. That's what Paul Pierce used to do when I was playing with him when he wasn't able to get, when his shot wasn't falling,

I'm going to get to the free throw line. And that's the truth. Yeah, I think it looked a little bit. Oh, let's not act like, that's not act like selling calls just started in 2026. Thank you, Perkins. It's been around. Why is everybody in the NBA carrying this guy's water?

I'm sick of it. This is ridiculous. Paul, here, we can say Michael Jordan, Coombeye. Oh, you said, we don't know more. Did they all do that? No, they went to the bucket and they got fouled. I'm a respect and appreciate Paul Pierce.

I love the way he operates. Everybody needs to understand that. It's the truth. I love everything about him. Especially post-cru. Did he get wheeled out one game? He had to poop. Okay.

That's different. He had to poop. Did he have to, he got wheeled out one game? I'm not saying it's a bad thing. He had to poop. But this is not the same as getting wheeled out for no reason. It was poop. Actually, pretty good content, getting wheeled out.

Yeah, we saw Lamar do it. Kevin Nash, he had to poop too. Exactly. All right, let's move along. Carry on. Let's talk about the Oklahoma City Thunder. LeBron James afterwards, obviously getting a lot of shit because he didn't answer something exactly how they wanted him to answer whenever he said,

Luke, we're missing a guy at average of 37 points. It's going to be hard to go offensively whenever we don't have that with us. What are your thoughts about the Lakers' chances? How do you feel about the way JJ put a double team on SGA and basically even said everybody else has to score and they were able to do it? such. Like, what are your thoughts is that as a whole there? Is this going to be 4-0? This is going to be 4-0 over there? Well, number one, Brian didn't lie. So he didn't lie. They all missing the Luca led the league and scoring. They only scored 90 points last night. So obviously, yes,

they're missing Luca and they need Luca in order to stay alive or even be in this series. Without Luke, I got the Lakers getting one game. This is going to be a gentleman sweep. But the game plan was perfect. Like, you're supposed to walk. into a series and saying, you know what, we're going to take the ball out of the best player hands in SGA, one of the most efficient players to ever play the game. No, somebody else is going to have to beat us. And that just showed you how deep and the depth of the Oklahoma City Thunder. And chat home grid, way to fucking step up. Because what I wanted to see and what I want to continue to see is can he be a reliable second option? Can he be a robin to SGA?

And he got off to a great start last night because we don't know how long J. Dub is going to be out. And we don't we don't know when J. Dub, when he does return, is he going to be 100% probably? We know I'm thinking of them hamstrings are. So again, LeBron knows what what a championship team look like. He's just telling you, hey, we're going against the champs. We're going against one of the greatest defensive teams that we've ever seen in NBA history. Ain't nothing wrong with what he said. Yeah, I agree. And I'm on team LeBron, though.

And Connor actually said LeBron's greatest basketball player of all time, actually, to start this entire show earlier. So we kind of got into that entire Convill. What's that? Good for Conno. Okay. You like that he took that stand there? It wasn't a stand.

It was just a throwaway comment. It was not. It was not meant to be a thing. It became a full thing because it's obviously this guy's 41 years old. and, you know, I think you mentioned it about the first series. Like, if he wins this all by himself here, the goat conversation is over. But what he's doing, I mean, he's not done, right? He's playing next year, too, we assume, right?

I don't know. He's doing a retirement tour. No, he said he's not doing a retirement tour. Oh, did he say that? Okay. Okay. See? haters!

You said he's the greatest player on Earth? What are you saying? He's not going to do a retirement tour. We know LeBron. Tim Duncan didn't say, hey, next year, I'm not doing a retirement. Tim Duncan just all of a sudden left in the middle of the next year. night. Great.

He's got it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Now that is how you do it. You don't even bring it up. He already brought it up. And honestly,

that's because we brought it up because he's the greatest player of all time in your words. He deserves a retirement. Okay. Let's move along here. Let's talk about other basketball happening. Perk. We appreciate you. What do you think you think he continues to play?

I think Brod could play to his 45, to be honest with you. I think he has another four years of this level of play. Like, real talk. And I'm not even BS and I'm dead serious. when I say this. What he did, like, what he's been doing in this postseason, last night he did his part. Last night, he was fantastic.

He just didn't have the help. And guys in the back court like Marcus Smart and, you know, Austin Reeves, they didn't play well. And one thing, let me get this on my chest. All right. Can people lay off of Austin Reeves for a second, please? No. No, listen.

He just got back. He's got a peg-like. Two games ago. Two games ago. You know, it usually take at least five to ten games. Come on. That's what we're talking about. Well, you know who's attacking him, right?

You know who's attacking her, right? No. LeBron fans. No. Well, that's why Foxy just put that up as fast as possible. He needs help, man. It is LeBron fans. He does need help.

Help the king. Are you just a jester? King doesn't need help. But what I'm saying is, we know when a guy come off injury, he was thrown right into the fire, man. Like, you need... He's got a rap on his leg? Yeah.

He's got that rap. Caruso put him in a bag. Antman tore his knee off his leg and got back in nine days. Let's talk about this. They might be cheating. I don't know what the fuck Anthony Edwards got going on. He should not have been back. That thing was disgusting.

Now, on that note, that series, you've made some predictions there as well. Go ahead, D. Absolutely. I know coming into the playoffs, I believe you had the Spurs coming out of the West and maybe even winning this whole thing. And you've kind of changed your talk. lately after that first loss. What's your expectations for Wimby

and the Spurs going forward? Well, look, Wemby, the future is bright. It's just not this year. They're not getting past the Minnesota Ticket. And look, Wemby got to understand in these moments, I want him to continue to be a big man

with guard skills. Going 0 for 8 from the three-point line, that's not going to get it. And I understand he's going to get some physical team. He's going against one of the better defensive teams that we have in our league. But this Minnesota Timberwolves team, they're playing with a certain spirit, edge, and tenacity. And it reminded me in this game one, in that game one, that this team has a lot of experience. We're talking about a core group that has been to back-to-back conference finals.

And when Anthony Edwards said, I get another cuss word, right? I always get to me. Yeah, yeah, maybe three. When Anthony Edwards said, fuck what the doctors are talking about. I'm playing. I ain't trying to hear nothing. I'm not sitting out. I am going on the floor and I'm going to compete with my guys.

And he went out and did it in great fashion. That told me everything I needed to know. Coach Fitch is coaching his ass off right now. When you talk about the different lineups, when you talk about him empowering guys, maxing out guys, dealing with injuries, knocking off the deal with nuggets, getting the Crucia Gang won, Terrence Shannon. All of a sudden, he's empowered, he got the confidence.

That is coaching. That is coaching. We are watching a coach that is writing his own legacy right in front of our eyes. And I'm telling you this now. The Minnesota Timberwoods can win the NBA championship this year. Oh, oh, oh, Park. I like hearing that, especially if you're able to heal from a bone bruise from a hyper extension in nine days

and be able to tell doctors, I don't want to hear it, and then drop 18 off the bench and be an absolute stallion down the stretch without even missing a hitch. Is Goldbear going to be able to handle big, big Wembe? And then we were talking to some people around the league,

and they're saying, if you look at the Minnesota Timberwolves outside of the 7 foot 10 guy, okay, that's saying, Tennessee was a pretty physically imposing team. I mean, they're going through chest. They are, they're actually kind of about it. You're saying the big wagon,

that is the timber wagons, over there in Minnesota could potentially win the entire thing this year because I thought this is Oklahoma City's entire dance. I thought they were supposed to be the ones that'd be able to walk away with this. Well, here's the thing. We don't know what Jay Dove is going to look like.

But I will say this. Jay McDaniels has been one of the best stories in this postseason. If I had to give up an MVP award for the first round, he was getting the MVP trophy. It's not just what he did is how he did it.

Right? to talk his noise and to back it up. He's already, in my opinion, the best wing defender that we have in this game, but now we're watching him getting to his bag offensively. Jay McDaniels is different, right? And what he's doing right now, I'm telling you, it's just you got to give a lot of credit to Coach Finch

and that coaching staff for the player development and the confidence that he is putting into these others outside of Julius Randall and Anthony Edwards. They are playing with an edge. And let me tell you, Chris Fitch is petting his hair too. I love what he said after the game. They chose us after the series. They chose us.

He is playing a great, he is doing it. He is game playing at his own point. And last but not least, he is doing an outstanding job playing my games with the officials. You heard what he said? said after games won, right? Yeah, Wimby had a lot of blocks and a lot of them were gold tend.

Like, that is putting it out there. I love this Minnesota Temple Wars team. Yeah, sounds like you're pretty jacked up. I like it, man. Perk might be overreacting. Because all your NBA guys say every game takes on a life of its own, don't overreact it. They stole

one of the road. It feels like you're overreacting right now, Perk. Perk, you're not overreacted. Uh-oh, Perk. Uh-oh, no, no, no. Uh-oh, no, no, no, perk. Listen, I am not a a delusional Knicks fan, right?

Like the Knicks, they fan-based, they overreact. Like, they're the ones that had a parade because they won game one. I still think that series is going seven games. I think that series is going seven games because what people don't understand is when you come off a tough seven-game series and you have a quick turnaround, one, you don't have time to prepare, right, like you can. Like your scout is different mentally and physically you exhausted. from all the energy you had to put out into that series,

and then you have a quick turnaround. I expect the 76th is to be better. Here's why I'm not overreacting when it comes to the Timberwood. When you know, you know. And I'm telling you, I can feel the energy through the television. I see A-Roy sitting on the sideline, they chest bump, and he fired up. It's something that is going on through that organization that I wish I I was a part of.

Okay. Well, you keep saying what you're saying. It might just adopt you in there, pal. I think the timber wagons are certainly filling up right now, especially. Ant Man is an easy person, gift to me. Yeah. I mean, that is an easy, holy hell. I cannot believe this is happening right now.

Jay to McDaniels as well. If they were to win a title in Oklahoma City's League right now, wow, would be insane. We appreciate the hell out of you, big perk. Thank you for taking time. I appreciate it. Okay, so you got the Sixers tonight and you got the timber wagons. No, no, no, no. No, no, I didn't say I had the sixes.

I said I'll see this series going seven games. That don't mean the Nix's are not going to win, but it's not going to be a blowout again. We're going to see a better version of the 76ers. Now, I will say this, this is a must-win situation for the San Antonio Spurs. This game two, if they don't win game two, they're going to get swept. Oh, right, all right.

They're not going to, you're not going into Minnesota down 02. and expecting to get a win in that hostile environment where they're undefeated in the postseason. This is a must-win situation for the San Antonio Spurs. This is not the Portland Trailblazers. Your ass could go down 0-2 if you want tonight and you're going to get sent home really. I'm telling you that now.

Ladies and a gentleman, that's 15-year vet and NBA champion, Kendrick Perk. He's talking about maybe the timber wagons becoming champion. How about becoming a champion in golf? How about winning the players championship earlier in the year telling the entire world you have arrived and then go ahead and compounded. Cadillac champion for this past weekend.

Winner by six strokes. Could have been seven. If he wasn't since such a gentleman. Yeah. Great guy. Stand up, lad. Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, Cam Young. Yay, Cam Young. How you doing, Bob?

Good. Good. Good. Been a nice few weeks. Yeah, you've been living pretty good, huh? How is the mind pretty clear? Have you just kind of been enjoying it all? How have you kind of handled the massive success? Because I believe there's a at about your first 103 events, I'm sure you've heard about the not winning, and then all of a

sudden, hey, over to last two, we've been winning a lot. How has it been handling the success? It seems like it's only benefited your game. Yeah, I think so. I mean, what I've said for a long time is basically that, you know, each good result you have is kind of proof that what you're doing works. And, you know, as more of that stacks up, it's easier and easier to believe in what you do. It's it's hardest when it's not going your way to kind of believe in what you're doing. And right now, things going well, I feel like it's been really nice to kind of see the fruit of that work and, you know, start to believe in what we're doing. Yeah, I don't want to get too deep here, but probably your whole family and friends and everybody too, right? I assume everybody's like super

pumped like, hey, yeah, we've always said you're the guy. You've always believed you're the guy. Now you're getting a chance to celebrate it. And the world's getting a chance to celebrate. I bet you that's cool for the whole family, yes or no? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a lot to on behind the scenes that is not me between, you know, all my kids, my in-laws, my parents. There's a whole group of people that deserves probably a lot more credit than they're getting. So it's not all me. I just am the fortunate one that gets to do the golfing. All right.

Well, shout out to you remaining so humble, obviously, as the bank account continues to massively grow. Oh, yeah. Just grow through the weeks, obviously. Congrats you, all earned in the entire team. And I mentioned your family, you know. Obviously, we learned your story. Your dad, like PJ Golf Pro up there. Sleepy Hollow Club, I do believe.

A lad from Scatterboro, Sleepy Hollow is the club. And then I believe you want the Fordham Prep down there. High school took the train down in. We did a lot of learning about you, New York Kid, becoming this golf sensation. But your dad, obviously, you're raised in the golf world. When that ball rolls on Sunday with you in the lead, you're just, your first reaction is, holy shit, I can't believe this just happened.

And then now I have to say something, right? That is kind of how it goes. Yeah, I just watched Scottie hit driver driver on the first screen and make birdie. And my ball rolls over. I'm like, man, here we go. So it's just one of those times. I mean, it moved. I don't think anyone probably could have seen it.

But yeah, I mean, stuff like that. You got to think of it. If you're doing the right thing, good stuff's got to happen at some point because of it. And at least you can feel the good about what you do. So just one of those times. It was super unfortunate. it, but it did move. And I couldn't say that it wasn't me.

So just had to take it and move on. Well, I want to let you know. Everybody talks about what they would do in the moment, what they would do. Sunday. Okay, Scotty, lurking. Lurking is the closer. He's always lurking. You know?

And then you're just in a beautiful shot. A lot of money on the line. So much money. Legacy. I mean, fuck. There's so much in there. And everybody thinks about what they would want to do. I'd be a hero.

Yeah. I'd call it. Yeah. You actually in the moment did it? So for that, hey. Good on you, Kyle. Good on you, Tom. And I hope a lot of people have told you that,

because for the good of the game, and in our sport, if something like that would have happened, I'd say 35 to 85% of the people would not have called it. That's a good range, 35-85, yeah. It's like, because it could be. Big range. Depends on when in the season is, what's the game for?

You won you at this year? Yeah, what does the season look like? Yeah, there's a lot of different things that could happen. But what we're saying is you're, you showcased your sport well in that moment. And it was a cool, cool thing for all of us to witness. Go ahead. Why we're on that, I just want to ask you because there are so many rules in golf and

I flag, you know, you see the guy have to come over with a referee. Is there one rule that you, look, we have a high school golfer in our building who is admitted to cheating in every tournament he played in pretty much? But is there one rule that you would change in golf? I would change. I don't know. I mean, golf is strange in that way because I feel. like there's so many unique scenarios that can go on. We're just in the habit of calling a rules

official pretty much no matter what happens, even if it's a very routine one that we all know, just because if they're there, you basically can't be faulted for it. So I don't know. I mean, the ball moving one is pretty, pretty relevant right now. I mean, obviously I wasn't, I wasn't trying to hit the ball. I didn't try to give myself a better lie. I had already, we were playing lift clean in place, so I had already put it basically up on a T. So there was no advantage to me doing what I did to move the ball. All I did was put my club down. So, you know, that's one of those ones that, you know,

obviously there was no intent to do anything that was going to help me. I already had the best lie I could ask for. It seems like maybe that one doesn't need to be a penalty, but just kind of how it's always been. Yeah, but now think about every single golf coach, every dad or mom trying to teach

their kids how to golf. They say, hey, on a Sunday in the middle of a tournament, you call this. This is like it almost, it's a passing of a baton, it feels like, of the sport to another generation, whenever something like this happens, because there's been the alternate, right, where somebody at home caught something on the internet, then it became like a firestorm and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, I thought golf was supposed to be whatever. So, like, I love that you did it.

I would be that kid. It's an asshole. He was up. He was up. Six. Five strokes. If he was down, he stroked, would you do it that? Yeah, well, exactly. And also, I think Scotty even said to you, who cares? Yeah. Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. Yeah, basically, yeah, he basically just said that there's no way that you moved it. And I was like, well, I mean, the timing was certainly suspicious, but I don't think I moved it either. Who knows? So just kind of one of those, you just got to eat it. Can Scotty, like, kind of testify for you there to the rules official, or is that just an automatic ruling there?

Yeah, I think it's just a ruling. I mean, I don't think anyone was watching closely enough to really see. I mean, you had to be kind of right on top of it. Oh, my God. to notice. You're such a good guy. Let's move along. Okay, hey, good for you. Just what, thank you for doing that for your sport. Literally. Thank you for doing that for your sport. Now,

speaking of your sport, a lot coming about your sport. And we're not expecting you to give some political answer, but there's certainly some things brewing amongst the PGA tour at this point. Good, Conman. Yeah, Cameron, if you don't want to answer at all, you can just tell me to shut up and we can move on the next question. But we had a

very heated debate this morning, just about kind of the reintegration of the live golfers with everything going on over there back into the PGA. It felt as though the PGA live rivalry over the last couple of years is kind of gone, gone to the wayside and no one really cares anymore. And we're all just trying to golf as a player on the PGA tour. How do you feel about kind of everything going on?

I know Kepka is already kind of going through the process. Is that something you think everybody should go through? Should it be some, you know, different separate thing we kind of threw out there? do they be the groundskeepers maybe on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for the tournaments? Thursday Friday for the tournaments. Yeah, we're brainstorming. We're brainstorming. Yeah, just things that they should do.

Build the bleachers. Build the bleachers up, take them down on Sunday, which is even worse sometimes. Jesse, we'll tell Roll-up, too. If you need any ideas, we can do all these things. This turn them into construction work is kind of, that's what I'm getting here. Yeah, and then once they win a tournament, you can take off the construction house. And it's done. Yeah, there's good.

That's good. But on that note, we assume there is a lot of different feelings because I think at the time of Liv starting, you were top 20 in the world. I assume that was a conversation with you about going over there. Massive amount of money, allegedly for everybody. And it did feel like it was that you're taking the money, not going to be ever going to do business with PGA again. At the moment, it felt like that. Now we're at a different time. How does kind of the locker room feel about it all? And are you guys even being asked what your thoughts are at this point. If you don't have any, all good, too. Yeah, I mean, I haven't been asked much. You know, it's, I feel like it's a little bit tricky because I think it's been great to have Brooks back. You know, he's a fan favorite. He's a great golfer, you know, great major championship player.

So I'm happy to have him back. I think it's good for the PJ tour. I think it's good for the game to get to see him more. But, I mean, the tour did have the system that they put in place for him. They had, you know, the opportunity this January for some of the time. of those guys the select few to come back. And Brooks is the only one to take that opportunity. So now, I mean, it's not up to me, but I think the PJ tour, I'm sure, we'll have, you know, I imagine they will find a way for some of those guys to come back, but I don't know if it will be as simple as it was for Brooks. You know, his relatively time-wise, you know, he didn't have

to sit out or anything like that. So I really have no good information on what will happen. but all in all, I mean, I play golf to play golf against the best players in the world. You know, that's one of the main things that drives me is to compete. And I don't know, to me, there's a handful of really, really good players that are over there. And, you know, seeing them four times a year, I'd probably rather compete against them more. So if you're asking me, I'd probably like to see them back in some capacity, however they decide it's going to work out. and you'd like it to be fair to both sides. I don't think there's any reason to unduly punish them coming back.

But at the same time, like you said, you know, it felt like kind of an all or nothing decision to go. So, yeah, you know, up to people smarter than me to figure out how it all is going to work out. I genuinely don't know if it's smarter than us. Definitely the people are smarter than us. Let's say that. But I think it is like the diplomacy, the diplomacy of how it's going to be dealt is certainly an interesting. It's very because the February 2nd deadline, I believe, is the one you were referring to about books entering into.

And I think his contract was up at the time. Now, Ramba has come out and said, like, hey, my contract's not until like 2032 or something like that. And then, well, they said, well, what if the league isn't around him? It's just, there's so many crazy conversations. I think all of us just want to see. We just want the leaderboard to be packed. But on that note, maybe build the bleachers, boys. Yeah.

Maybe you have to hammer a nail. Can't do what you didn't just come back, Scott Free. Okay. Maybe hammering nail, you know, stacking them barrels out there to get back into the good graces of the bartend? Yeah, you get cut on Friday. Guess what? You got to work the bar Saturday Sunday.

Eighth hour shift. Maybe catty. Yes, catty. Maybe catty. For nobody. Just just, you walk. You just have to walk. It's like, just want to walk.

Over and over. First, you are the opening tea, too. Yeah. And you got to throw your ball. Yeah. Things is just something to think about. But I don't think they want, I don't think they got, they want you in charge. I feel like you.

We can make this a lot worse if that's what you're looking for. We would like to see the leaderboard pack, though. And you talked about the four times a year. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Cam, we talk a lot about here, like, when there's a young and up-and-coming team, like they have to lose first before they can win a championship. You've obviously have top fours now in every single major coming off third at the Masters. Is that similar in the golf world where you, like, have to learn how to play at a Masters,

maybe learn how to not get the top spot at the masters, learn how to have heartbreak at a major before you can go and finally get a major? Is that just a stupid thing for me to say? I like that. No, I think experience can help. I mean, I think it can go both ways. You know, you build up kind of too much scar tissue and it stays kind of in your head negatively. Then it can hurt you.

But I think for me, I mean, the main thing is just continuing to build belief. you know, continue stacking results just so you have so much more to look back on. And, you know, I've played golf in majors well enough to win and just haven't quite gotten over the finish line. You know, and I don't think generally much fault in my own. This year at the Masters was a really nice chance and I just didn't make anything on the back nine. I didn't feel out of place. I didn't do anything wrong. I just didn't make anything. So I think in a lot of cases, yes, having some high finishes and, you know, getting some experience playing late on Sunday in the majors is great.

But it doesn't stop, you know, young guys from coming out and having chances to win, too. So there's going to be plenty of instances with, you know, young, relatively an experienced players winning majors too. I mean, I'm sure there will be more of that in the future. So, yeah, it can be mixed bag and kind of depends how you treat it, I think. Situations are situational. Obviously ignorance can be bliss. You don't know what you don't know, especially whenever you're just blindly in there.

You have no idea how big it actually all is. And then once you get too many of those and it doesn't work out, then it's like, Oh, no. Now it's becoming a thing, which obviously everybody hates. But golf feels like that is a constant kind of conversation with everybody. Cam, I have a quick question for you. Nellie told me, Nellie quarter. Okay, Nellie. Pretty good player. Yes.

Came off back to back. Her and you win it. Yeah, she got to do. There you go. Coca-Cola, okay, with my golf swing. Okay, that's what she told me to do. Maybe a little slower. Yeah.

Coca-Cola. You were still watching every time. Yeah. Coca. Okay. I can do that with my golf swing. Can I technically take that thing up to here, over to here to where you are and then swing from there? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the back swing is basically, you know, lift, hinge, and turn. So you can do them all in whatever order you want, as long as you get up there and you can do it over and over again. Oh, I can do it over and over again. There you go. Boom. Bang.

Boom. Yeah. Cola. You know, I'm not even doing the Coca at the beginning. Sure. Hey, can we get on a course at some point? Your guys is offseason, which I don't know what it is. And can we just see the difference of you golfing first?

Because I watched you at 12 at Augusta. You didn't say anything? Yeah. Thanks for that. Like you're hanging in front of all my new friends. Kind of dialed in. Yeah. Yeah, you're kind of focused there.

I was busy. That hole was so hard. So hard. So hot, too. It was so hot. Yeah. It was a thousand degrees at that hole, potentially. But, like, watching how walked in you guys are with everything,

I would love to be able to do a round. I don't think I've ever done it right. Can I make that happen? It's kind of be putting you on a spot publicly here, but I would like to experience that. I think it would make me a better conversator about golf. There you go. Yeah, we'll get a group together in Florida then.

You guys looking at that green was insane. Like, the amount of shit that was happening with all the thing. It was like, these guys are killers out here. And I've never even thought of any of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get that hole.

It's like six yards between the front bunker and the back bunker. It feels like it anyway. And you get the 11th flag stick and the 12 flag stick blowing opposite directions. And you shouldn't there like, what do I do? And, you know, that's why we're not looking up there in the crowd, I think. I was there real back. I almost got, hey, what a ball at one point. Here to me.

Ladies and gentlemen, an absolute sensation. PGA chop. Cameron, young. Thank you, Mike. Yeah, Kurt. I'm back on the other side. Be a friend, tell the friends, something nice. It might change their life.

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Maybe. Sure. That's toxic table at Boss of Connor and toxic tone. Nine-year NFL vet Darius Jay Butler is right over yonder sitting in tone seat as Ty is celebrating life for the foreseeable future. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Ty, we'll love you guys.

Hell yeah. How you done? Congratulations. So happy for you. Live from An Attic in Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion. I just got shown a tweet by him. Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawker. Like a funny leader.

Hawker, how you doing, pal? I'm doing good. I'm curious about what this tweet is you just read. Well, the tweet was Joel Embed at tonight, okay, for Sixers' Knicks. And then I said Stiller was going to be in attendance, obviously, because he'll be there for the Knicks game per yuge. and then Bruce Brown just dropped into this little monitor. He said, just want to remind Ben Stewart, remember, my man, seriously, I thought we were good. Ben Stewart put me out to obviously his followers.

Ben, we are good, but I do have to say what I saw Timothy Shalmay do. He was there. It was something that I will hold in high regards. Now, Timothy Shalemay came through college game day. Mm-hmm. New ball. Park Navarro. Absolutely crushed it.

I mean, he's absolutely killed. So I had him in, you know, Timothy Chalemay also doing, I mean, Timothy Shalmay, you know, Michael Phelps, Tom Brady. That was the speech he gave after winning your award. Yeah, the SAG award. Sue Sports, Super Sports guy. Okay, so I was holding in high regard. He could have certainly wanted to the Metcala. He said, I'm going to the Knicks game.

So we immediately had to judge his Nick's father, Ben Stiller, for not going. Yeah. But then we heard, obviously, it's a family affair. we found some tape from before the Met Gala that I think will justify everything that Ben still are saying to us. You wish I was there. Oh, quick, too. White in the car.

Wyatt. Veteran in the game. So we know he'll be back. Yeah, it does. Grow up, go to the game if you want to go, Ben. Ben's a good man. Tim, wait. So fourth year in the second round.

Happy wife. Happy life. Ben. Listen to Bruce. Oh, so they don't care anymore because we're in the playoffs a lot. Are you going to watch the game tonight or no, because it's the fourth time in a row. Obviously, I'm going to watch the game tonight. It's not like I've been in Madison Square Garden and I live here.

But yeah, you know, he'll be there for all the finals games. Listen, lunch is canceled. Do the lack of attending basketball games. No, lunch is not canceled because of this. Okay, we ain't, we ain't doing none of that, okay? He's no average Joe. He's allowed to do whatever the hell he wants to do. He's a Knicks heavyweight this guy.

And he's not simple. Not anymore. He's a middleweight now. No. He missed the game. What we're talking about? We made him lead his own. Die-hard fan, we called him.

He won by 40. Who took his feet? He should have gone to the gala. Jimmy Fallon. I think it was Jimmy Fallon was there. Now, granted, his show immediately followed the game. So I think that was probably... Tracy Morgan.

I don't know if he... Tracy Morgan, obviously, in the building. He could have wanted him at Gala. Peter Schrager was at the game. He could have wanted a Meggala. Shabuzi certainly could have wanted him at the megala. Shabuzi certainly could have wanted him at the game. Shabuzi's a next fan?

Yeah. One. No, Daven. Yeah, he was there last year during the ECF as well. I think all Shibuzi really does is make bangers, by the way. Every song I've heard from Shibuzzi is an absolute smash, so I certainly appreciate him doing that.

But Ben, you knew we were going to have to point this out in sports world. I knew it was going to have to happen. Now, Orange Tye. You want to us to just sweep it under the rug, didn't he? Ben did that. And what world? That's interesting. His lady has a blue dress on as well, too. Like, they were on there.

See, what she was there. He felt like he had to represent. Obviously, blue steel. It's fashion night. Had to do his thing. Actually, he kind of half-assed. That's not, that fit isn't goofballed enough for the mecca. It's because he was not there.

His body was there. His soul was at the Mecca. His soul was watching the Knicks do their thing to the 76ers. So you can go to that and not be a goofball? I guess so. I don't like it. No, if you do that, when you get in there, they make fun of you a ton, and then they basically force you go.

home. No. I don't think that's the case. Yeah, if you dress normal, they basically make you a dunce for the whole night. Whatever the case, we know Ben Stiller will be back, and we'd like to let him know, with Joe O'N. B'd out and him

back in the building, and they lose, they're going to say it's him. Oh, no. They're going to say it's him. And I don't like that, because we like Ben Stiller. We have big fans of Ben Stiller. Severance, too. It's super serious stuff we even like. We think he's

very, very special talent for society. We want the bat for him. obviously we would certainly do that because he's a sports fan. On that note, you missed the first game. They kill him. They kill him. Maybe you should stay away. Which he has mentioned.

He has said, maybe I don't go to the next one. It's like, ooh, fascinating. This guy doesn't want to go with games anymore. That's what I'm, that's the read I'm getting. He wants the Knicks to win. Sure. No doubt about it. He doesn't want to do the whole song and dance, and he doesn't want to go anymore.

All right, well, that feels like big news. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, to kind of tell us anything else that we need to know for tonight's games. little bit later than I potentially thought, but certainly can hit a drive-by if we need it. Ladies and gentlemen, Shams Sharana. Yeah, Shams, Sharmes. Yeah, Shams, drive-by, just need a hot-five. What's going on in hoops, we don't need a deep dive.

Shams drive-by, just need a hot-five. What's going on in hoops, we don't need a deep dive. Ladies and gentlemen, Shams-Sharmes. Okay, Joellen-Beed out. This feels like a very big deal for the entirety of the NBA, especially with how Embeded had been playing against the Celtics. He was back all the way to being who we thought and hoped he could be. What happened and how long is this going to last? Yeah, it's going to be at least this game.

But, I mean, so this is what, you know, I was on a call right before, right as you guys are FaceTime me, because I wanted to figure out what exactly is going on with Joel Embed. And he's dealing with a hip injury. He's dealing with an ankle injury. And he was hoping in the lead up to tonight's game that he would be able to get both of those things to loosen up to get both of those. in the right place to be able to play.

And I was told he spent all morning on the training table. They had shoot around this morning. They had other team meetings. He literally was stuck on the training table, trying to get treatment, trying to get his ankle and his hip ready to the point where he could try to play. And it just did not give. And the team ruled him out just literally about 10 minutes ago for tonight's game. The Sixers made the decision to rule him out here tonight.

We know Joel in Beats history. He's played through ligament issues in his knee, damage in his thumb. He's dealt with facial fractures, fails palsy in his face. And now this postseason, he came back after appendicitis after just over two weeks. And we saw him get hit in that area.

I think it was McHale Bridges, who knocked him right in the stomach area. Whether you want to call it a stomach, a hip, he's dealing with pain in that hip area, now as well as an ankle. Okay. The spread goes from seven and a half, to 10 and a half immediately for the Knicks to be favored. They've obviously, at one point in the last three games,

have been up 30 over their opponents. First time that has ever happened in playoff. Feels like blowouts are happening, even though it won't take place for the second game that's happening tonight. Ant Man, can you tell us a little bit about him? Obviously, last game it was a miracle, seemingly him coming back after nine days of the hyper extension. Where's he at now after playing a full game?

Are we just expecting the same thing from him coming off the bench? What should we? This guy's unbelievable. It's insane. How often in football does it happen where a team is like, no, no, you're not playing. No, no, you got to play it safe. And a player is just like, no, I'm playing. And I'm good.

And I'm going to show you I'm good. And that's literally the process that has in Minnesota. All the time. All the time. Every damn week. All the time. Thanks for asking. Zeppery and Luca.

Thank you. Well, I think in the NBA, we're accustomed to seeing one on one, two on Two, three on three. Anthony Edwards, Anthony Edwards didn't go through any of that. He didn't go through any practice. He did a couple individual workouts, and he told the team, I'm ready to play,

and I'm going to prove to you I'm ready to play. He passed all the medical testing that they had. They weren't expecting to evaluate him at all to play until after game two. They thought game three, game four at the earliest. But Anthony Edwards, he went through multiple different treatment options. I heard he spent multiple sessions of the hyperbaric chamber. reminds me of the hyperbolic time chamber.

Shout out to Dragon Ball Z fans. But he went through everything to try to see if he could play. And he was able to get on the court. And I do think his knees feeling better. And I think the hope is in game two tonight, bump his minutes up just a little bit more and see what he can do. And another injury news, Iyo Dissumo, who missed game one. He scored, I think it was 43 points in that game against Denver last week in game five.

he is set to to play tonight. All right, I.O. Big. Where you go, I.O. So, Goku is the, from the thing you're talking about?

Yeah, he went super sion on that shit. There you go. There you go, B.C. Which one? Is that the one that's a little ball? It's a hobby. Yeah. And what do you do?

You guys do cards? Is that what it was? Don't you guys me. Don't you guys me. What was the one you said? You said it was Pokemon? Dragon Ball Z. Is that the one where they run like it?

was the cards. New Year was the card. That's Naruto. That's Naruto. Is that from this one? No, a different one. What's this one from? That was Naruto.

No, I'm not an eager eagle. That's the Gary Vemones. Which one did he just mention the? Dragon Ball Zee. But Naruto is that one. He's the run. VeeC knows all about Dragon Ball Z. He's holding out on us right now.

I don't know shit. Bitch. It was pretty, he was pretty. I mean, Dragon Ball Z took a. over there for a while. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Did he didn't let me get into it. There is actually a video game coming out that I am rather excited about. I'd play it for sure. Dragon balls? Yeah, Dragon balls. God, that's going to be a good game. Hopefully. A lot of hype, a lot of hype. All right, Shams, we appreciate you, man. Thank you for bringing that nerd. May the 4th been with you

too the other day. We know that's probably a big day for you. We appreciate the hell out of you joining us here. Happy Cinco de Mayo late, belated Cinco de Mayo as well. Okay. You like to celebrate the battle of Puebla in 1862 down there when the French got knocked on by the Mexican forces. That is something we like to celebrate as well, Shams. You didn't know that. You thought I was Mexican Impendisei, and that's how I know that you need to stop spreading that lie.

Wake up! That's not what it is. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Shams Sharm Sharia. Jay, Jay, I said that yesterday because people that we know, not us. No. Not us.

AJ. Nobody here. Nope. None of us thought Cinco de Mayo was Mexican Independence Day. None of us thought that. No. That's much different. Much different. Yeah, we didn't go like, okay, July 4th, but for Mexico, let's go ahead and have

a good time. We didn't do that. People we knew did that. Because on May 5th, 2025, you actually explained the Battle of Playbolo last year, too. Exactly. That's kind of our mission at this point. It's like, hey, something, in the Penn State, also very cool. It's a huge deal. Yeah. You should have seen this 300 story that happened with

the Battle of Puebla. And that's what Senko to Maya was, AJ, you knew that. I did know that. I tell you what my second grader knew that. came home and explained it all to me as well. Watched program? No, not from the program. They actually, I guess at school, they were trying to teach them like the, hey, this is what it is. In Ohio? Yeah, that's crazy.

I didn't know you guys taught stuff over there in Ohio. They do. Well, actually, Ohio, they were like, this isn't actually very impressive. It was against the French. So that was kind of what they taught. You might be right. I don't know exactly how they presented it. That's the Ohio narrative. Okay, we won't talk about the opponent, but you'll just talk about what they had. It's about us. It was a really weak strength of schedule.

It was about us. It was like the buck out. I wasn't. French, obviously, I don't want to get into it. A lot of good things. We talked about it the other day. Talked about it the other day. There's a lot of good. French onion dip, we forgot. Oh, so good.

French toast, so good. You don't like French onion dip? No. Let's move along, please. Menja, Atwa. Terrible. Oh, I forgot about it. Thank you.

Céééééééééééééééééééééé. Cessua, says Christine Aguilera, noted French Pittsburgh. Yes. Okay, so noted French. She's from Deburg. Yeah. She was a part of the knowing. She was a part of all.

It's only bangers. Freaking, let's have a good time, hell of a time tailgate. I was bummed out about that as well. Christine Aguilera could have definitely been out there crushing something. Yes. She'll be able to sing forever. She's the answer. Obviously, no problems at all there.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that I actually saw in Pittsburgh. In just an open lobby. Just an open lobby. This man might be the most, humble would be just like too basic of a term to say, relatable commissioner I've ever seen, okay? Just walking around the arena. Like a dawn.

Just literally just walking around the arena. It was mind blowing to me. I did not expect this. Sit down right next to a nachos in jacking diet, literally right there. Have a chance. Sitting there talking to people walking out, go sit his seat, watch the game. Most casual, but also a man who's in the middle of quite a bump in popularity and obviously action for the league in which.

he is the commissioner. Ladies and gentlemen, the NHL commission, Gary Bettman. Yay, Gary. How are you, man? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm good. Last time we saw each other, my neck was a little bit of... But everybody wanted to see you. They could have cared less about me.

You're the most relatable star. Oh, thank you for that. It was in Pittsburgh, so a lot of people knew me. I'll tell you, I did not expect for us to be meeting where we were meeting. I thought for sure that was a... That was an aggressive decision as I was getting walked in there and I'm like the commission as you're literally walking through there hey how you doing are you enjoying your you actually like boots on the ground commissioner was so cool to see strictly because you love your sport you love your league it was very obvious and right now we're in an up into the

right time can you tell me about the league success that we're having ratings obviously through the roof obviously the new media deal has boated well but why do you think the league in the sport right now is as hot as it is from your perspective that's a great question so let me start a little bit further back. I think in the U.S., round one was the most watch opening round of the Stanley Cup playoffs ever. And we were up something like 68% over last year. And round two is off to an incredible start. Saturday's game won on ABC between the Flyers and Carolina was the most watched round two game one on record. And Sunday's game. one on TNT was the most viewed game one in the second round on cable.

We were up in the regular season somewhere between 25 and 30 percent on our ratings in the U.S. And, you know, it's a really good time. And we don't even have the biggest markets. This is really about how good the hockey is. So to begin to answer your question, what's going on on the ice in terms of our competitive, how exciting and entertaining the games are, check that box. Secondly, I think four nations a year ago and the Olympics this year had an impact in bringing people to the game, check that box.

I think that heated rivalry for some people introduced the whole new group of people to the game as well. And so when you mush it all together, because it's never one thing, I think that's how how you can account for it. But I've always said, and I say it to my people here when we're marketing and promoting, authenticity, how good the game is, that's more important than anything else. And I think that's what's driving us right now. And we've got a lot of great players doing amazing things.

Yeah, I think the sport is obviously spectacular. The U.S. Olympics and the United States winning will obviously bring a lot of patriotic meatheads to the table. Hey, yeah. Yeah, our sport. Women and men were better than you, especially with, you know, Canada always being able to do that. I also believe the deal that you guys made media-wise to have everything so accessible as opposed to how hard it potentially was before is also brilliant. I think the rules that you guys implemented after the lockout or the holdout that you guys had way back in the day has made the game more exciting. I think you relaxing on the wanting to ban fighting there for a bit, but then he kind of relaxed on it. we don't want staged fighting if fighting is still going to happen like i think you have kind of i think

you've done a good job gary i just want to let you know that i think you've done a good job kind of finding the right content product and placement of your league i think you've done you guys have navigated it very well and i think you're only up into the right from here don't you think the more people that see the game the more people that love the game well first of all thank you um and uh yes we we want the game to be accessible our relationships with the sp nilk the walt disney company with ABC as well and with Turner on TNT and their networks has been great for us. Easy to find the games. You're not searching.

We're generally in one of two places. It's worked very well. And both entities have done a great job of producing the games and promoting the games and scheduling the games. So, yeah, but it all starts with the game. Fighting, we haven't changed the rules a lot. What's really happened, and you alluded to the rule changes 20 years ago after we lost the season. The fact is we have, because of our system, extraordinary competitive balance, I think it's the best in sports. And so as a result, every team can compete and can afford to

compete because we have a salary cap and revenue sharing. Because the competitive balance is so good, you need to have skilled players. You can't have players who just fight. Even if you're a tough guy and you're defending your teammate and in the heat of the moment you engage in a fight, which kind of acts as a thermostat on the game because, you know, it's pretty emotional, pretty physical and the guys are carrying sticks. But the fact is, all your players have to be able to play or you really can't compete. Yeah, you can get exposed if you have a weak link out there. Obviously, everybody's bigger, stronger, faster than they've ever been, and more talented than they've ever been. But I like the business will get handled. Last night, a ref caught a punch right

to the face. On that note, AJ has a question for you, commitment. Yeah, commission. Obviously, NFL is going through some situations right now with the NFL or the ref union and everything. We hope they get a deal worked out. But when it comes to NHL hockey, I feel like you guys, you do a great job. We don't talk about the referees or the linesmen. We don't, we're not really focused on them. They don't seem to get into the talking points unless something like this happens. And it's awesome. He just continues to do his job. But what do you guys do, I guess, to train these referees? Obviously, they have to be super talented, be able to skate, be in shape. But what is your program, I guess, finding new reps and keeping them? That's a great question. Stephen Walkham runs our officiating program. We do combines over the summer. We recruit from all around the world. He looks for players who, you know, played in the Canadian hockey league or in college, who couldn't quite make it but have a feel for the game and can skate. And we do clinics and we recruit from all over the place. And then we work the officials, the young officials,

through the ECHL and then the AHL, and then the good ones work their way up. You've got to be knowledgeable about the game. You've got to have a feel for the game. You've got to be passionate about the game, and you have to have the commitment to go through the rigors of being an official at the NHL. I don't think there's a harder job to officiate,

and our guys don't get the credit they deserve. I mean, they are moving with the flow of the game. They've got to skate like the players, it's physical. They got to stay out of the way. There's a lot going on really fast. And it is remarkable how good a job they do and how much they get right. And video replay for us has really vindicated their performance even more. Yeah, and I like that they've adapted with the video replay as opposed to fight against it, it feels like for, and it makes sense that it's ex-players, a lot of them that are kind of getting in there because that's the chirps, the refs chirp. They're like

they do make up calls too. Like, hey, had to get you for one. No, no, no, no, no. They caught, you know, they used to be the old thing. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, definitely don't do that. But if there is a mistake, it does feel like the reps and the players are all in the same page on like,

hey, this is how this has to kind of go. We love the synergy. It feels like that the reps have with the players, because obviously they're all sharing it. And I'll say this, the reps are an incredible shape. I mean, we're talking massive quads. They're skating a lot. They have to be.

You know, it's interesting. When I took over the league, you know, in the Stone Age, the fact is that we had two linesmen and one referee. I mean, and to think that one guy could have called it all was nuts. And one of the first things we did was say, we need to go to a two-man system, one, to have more eyeballs twice as many. But also, it kept our guys in the game longer because they didn't have to skate quite as much and didn't have quite the same responsibility. But again, our officials are trained and recruited and critiqued on an ongoing basis. They're held accountable, the amount of video that they get after each game and that's circulated among all of them. If there's a particularly interesting or difficult call, I'm really proud of our officiating department.

Yeah, you should be. Sounds like everybody's trying to aim for it. I think the NFL will have a vote on Thursday to ratify a new deal with the refs association. hopefully it models a lot of what you guys have going on. Now, let's talk about the future of your game last night. Hey, you were Sinatra out there hosting this entire thing. Go ahead, Connett. Yeah, Gary, fantastic work last night with the lottery.

It was very fun to watch. It was very entertaining. Hopefully this is something that even the NBA maybe considers doing as a whole. But the Toronto Maple Leafs end up getting the first overall pick. Of course, people on the Internet aren't happy, but specifically Bruins fans and Flyers fans weren't too happy about it. Was there a thought going into it about the fallout with the next couple drafts between the with the unprotected pick and this being technically the Bruins pick,

but it was protected so now it's, you know, move forward. How is that whole thing going to work out? Those are the terms of the trades. And because we have a lottery system and teams can move up, frequently the terms of the trade have a protection in there under certain circumstances because I'm not sure anybody wants to feel like they've traded away the number one pick if that wasn't their intention. What was interesting about last night, and ultimately we don't care who wins, we want the system to be pure and have integrity, which it does.

But when you see the result last night, there's no incentive in our game to lose to get a better pick. The fifth team moved up to the first slot, the 19th. team ranked in terms of inverse order of the standings from the regular season moved up to the second slot. And so if you lose more, it doesn't necessarily assure you of anything.

Yeah, it may increase your odds a little, but not enough that anybody's perceived to have an incentive to lose. And I think that's the most important thing, both for the draft and leading up to it at the end of the regular season. Yeah, I think with your sport,

it feels like your culture is not of one to ever give up or try to lose in anything. So to have a system to benefit that is, I think, a good thing. The Toronto Maple Leafs obviously are in the middle of a big change right now. They hire a new GM.

People are really pumped about it. Sounds like that press conference went great. But the Toronto Maple Leafs for American people that aren't like hockey fans, I think they're viewed as like the Dallas Cowboys in Canada. A lot of hype, a lot of fans. A lot of fans everywhere. Not as many cups, though, you know,

as the entire thing. So everything Toronto does, highly scrutinized. Is that accurate, Gary, everything they do. And now Gavin McKenna going in to the mixer up there with Austin Matthews, maybe takes them up, maybe Toronto, maybe a Canadian club, wins a Stanley Cup. That's all possible now because of the NFL draft lottery last night. You know, I think that even in the United States, the original six clubs of which Toronto and Montreal are a third of the original six,

they carry a cachet, not just throughout our league, and particularly in Canada, but they also carry cashé in the United States. And I think that hockey fans in the U.S., while they pay attention to all of our teams, I think they particularly pay attention to Toronto and Montreal because of the histories that they have. Yeah, I like watching Biz just kind of crash out. You know, it feels like there's a lot of them. There's a lot of Canadians that ride, public Canadians, that ride with the Toronto of Maple Leafs.

Listen, the passion for the game, particularly in Canada, is great. I mean, in Canada, we're like the NFL is here, but on steroids. Yeah, second best in the world, too. Women and men's hockey. It's pretty good. Not bad. And it's top three. Pretty good. That was a subtle jab,

but that's okay. Now, Canada has certainly taken a couple of me as well, but on that note, we love the sport. We love hockey. We're very appreciative of it. Let's talk about what's happening right now. Not only numbers up, obviously, the style of play, you name it, everything's great. How we got to this point, certainly a conversation piece. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Commissioner, obviously, you changed the playoff format about a decade ago,

going away from the one through eight and focusing more on the divisions and division matchups. I know it's a hot button topic every playoff, every playoff season. Are you guys happy with the current playoff format, or is there any thought of ever going back to the one through eight? Well, some people have that thought. I personally don't. What we have is worked really well, in terms of the series that develop, in terms of how the playoffs play out, in terms of the races to get into the playoffs with the wild card, our regular season goes down to the wire for virtually all of our clubs. Maybe we had a handful of less teams that weren't in it for the last couple of weeks.

And we get longer series as a general rule. We had six of our eight first round series when at least six games. That's extraordinary. You get more games. you get more compelling seasons. I mean, yes, there are people who are always going to have preferences for other things. One of the great things about sports and particularly sports fans is their passion and they're wanting to constantly debate things.

But from our standpoint, mine at least, I think it's working well. And I don't see the need for a change. But we always talk about everything because if there are things we can do to tweak what we have and make it better, we're not adverse to at least considering it if we don't do it. Do you think the avalanche should have to play with somebody in the penalty box the entire game? They're playing awfully well, as is Carolina, by the way. Oh, yeah. So, you know, but the playoffs are off to a great start, which is why the ratings is where we started this conversation,

or as strong as they are. It all starts with what takes place on the ice and how terrific our game and our players are. Yeah, we're big fans of the Caniaks down there. They've been riding down there for a long time. now they get a chance to potentially ride. That Colorado team, though, looks. I mean, they're rude. They're rude, too.

Physical. Love physicality. I mean, they are rude. Five two, they're up at the end, still pounded. Hey, listen, we're still playing here. This is a- I mean, the first game, you know, 15 goals. I mean, it was crazy in a good way.

It was fun to watch. 14 goals scores. 14 goals scores, Gary. That is, yeah, I'd say that's an okay night for just a casual hockey fan to turn. and on. Holy shit. Does everybody on the ice scores? Is this how this thing goes?

And then the inverse of that, I was in Tampa on Sunday night. And that series, every game was decided by one goal. It was incredible to see. Yeah, it's been a great playoff. Now, on that note, go ahead, Dee Butt. Yeah, Comish, Pat mentioned seeing you in Pittsburgh last round. What's the travel schedule like now? How do you decide which games go?

That Lulu Hoodie might be hopping on the plane here soon. How do you decide? I like that, huh? Very, very clean. I try to get to places I haven't been. When I saw Pat in Pittsburgh that week, I was in five games and five nights, and I was back in the office every day because we're in the middle of doing budgets, so I have to do my day job as well.

So I bounce around and I try to get to places when I don't have other commitments that I have to take care of in the office. How's the budget's going? We're doing pretty good, huh? Yeah, things are going well. Yeah, we're working on it. Work on progress. Everybody always, all the department heads

always want to hire more people and spend more money, which is good. Bureaucracy's great. Remember, meritocracy's the champ, though. And you guys certainly have all the talent in the world. Tell Paisano, we appreciate the connection here, and thank you for taking the time, Mr. Commission. Pat, it's always great to be with you and your guys.

So thank you for having me. and enjoy the playoffs. You're the man. He does a cool in that, Lou. It's great hoodie. We go back to this, uh, we can get back to this P&L sheet here. What's got going on?

You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Gary Bettman. Yay, Gary. He's in it. Oh, yeah. Every day he's in it. Anytime we talk to him, he's doing something for hockey.

Like anytime. There's never a time where I've accidentally interacted with Gary and he's not doing something. He is always in there. And that's like, you know, super growing league. Not saying the NFL, doesn't have the hungry dog

kind of motive. But you listen to Jesse Cole with Savannah Banana. They sold 102,000 tickets down there in Texas A&M. It's like he's thinking about still so much growth like trying to become. It's like Gary Bettman and the NHL are still thinking like how can we get this game

to more people all the time, all the time. Not that the NFL isn't thinking that, but I'm just saying the NHL knows that it can still grow immensely. And their sport is certainly only getting better. And they already have the business in place. They're already making money. It's like the NHL is in a great spot.

And I think the more people that watch hockey, the more people love hockey. Yeah, and it's hard to argue that there's other sports that can do what they can do. You know, it's probably the last sport where the lowest-seeded team can go on and win the entire thing. Like even in the NFL, if you're talking about seven-seed in the wild card, making a run. Sure, that can happen. It hasn't happened for a very, very long time, at least since they've gone to 14 teams, seven in each conference.

Baseball, typically not the thing because of the spending. NBA, we've seen it really seven and eight seats. can't get the job done in the end. NHL, literally any team can have a hot goalie or someone who just catches fire. McKinnon who's hitting everybody scoring three points a night. That can happen in hockey, and it is one of those things.

The more eyes we get on this thing, the more people are going to love it. Really bright. It's on like day mode. I don't know what your phone is. Day mode or night mode. These lights on to watch it. Hockey is very bright.

Yeah. That 10 o'clock goes. You might as well just have a flashlight on in the bedroom. A lot of white. You know what I mean? That thing is just... If you had to follow the puck. No, yeah, certainly.

I'm just saying it's a really bright game. That's what I'm realizing with these super late hockey games. And it gets loud sometimes. Follies, exactly. The barns get really raucous, which we love. And sometimes I'll have them fall asleep maybe, and I miss the whole second period. And then middle of third period, something goes crazy.

I open my eyes. It's like I'm walking out of a casino in Vegas at 6 a.m. Sure. The sun is just blinding me. That is what the ice is. doing from the TV. Yep. So if we could somehow figure that out, I'd appreciate that.

That'd help. If you could just, I could have a setting on my television that I basically say, like, hey, if you think I've fallen asleep, you know me pretty good at this point. Maybe we dial that fucker down a little bit. Because that thing is on phone, iPhone flashlight all the way up. Yep. That's not a doubt. That thing is really white.

A thousand percent. Maybe get some Boise State type rinks, you know, the Colorado Avalanche. Let's get some blue eyes. Now we're talking. We need to do this in a banana's of hockey. Yeah. Yes. Dark ice.

Yeah, but lay a black tarp under the ice. Cosmic. Leave my sport. Cosmic. Hockey. Fans would love that. The traditional fans will love this.

Hockey, but louder. Bring the globe. All right. That worked out. Hockey but loud. I'll tell you, Liv was an ass execution of an idea that had a $5 billion dollar budget.

It's not dead yet. You say it was. What do you mean? It was. They're getting a fusion of cash, aren't they? I saw Louis Vuitton, Travis Scott. Okay, I have faith in him. That was good to see it.

I thought he looked cool. Yeah. Guy who's the new CEO of Liv. I hope he does a great job. They've already used $5 billion. I don't know if they have access to another $5 billion, but maybe they won't need it because it's a completely different direction and maybe he has great ideas.

It feels like Liv is dead. Yeah, it does feel like that's the case. People's contracts are for another few years. Rom's gone in there and say, hey, they're really good contracts. Yeah. So I don't know how I'm getting out of this thing unless the entire thing folds, which I guess could have. happen in the future, but the PGA community obviously now has to live with Hal, who do we let.

Cam Young had interesting answers. I won't play against the best man. Just let's go ahead. He did, but he also, no, he didn't say just let him in. He said it did feel like you were going all in or not. He says a handful of them over there that he wants to play against every week. Yeah, but that's the only ones we really care about too as spectators. Yeah. I think we are kind of pitching this entire conversation just for a few people. Oh yeah. Two to three. Now those people, though, were the ones that were poached to go take on. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So that's why. They were the biggest de facto actors. Did you see us groundskeepers maybe for the tournaments? A couple of those eight days. You see that? Yeah. The old construction worker angle, like, yeah, make them work their way back into a tournament.

Yeah, I guess it's not the worst idea. What if they're a tea box? We've seen John Daly do it before. What do you mean? Put a tea between your butt cheeks. Okay. I don't know. Maybe Roll Epp will do that.

Something to think about. Another idea was they come back to the PGA, they have to play all the events. Every single one of them? That's play all the event. Welcome back. Yeah, for like for two or three years, you play every single possible event. All the events, until you win one. And then if you win one, you kind of test your way out of that.

I like that. Okay, yeah, I like that. Yeah, but you got to play it all of them. And for me, as fan, I'll turn on some shitbag golf tournament on a Sunday, and I'll see two names that I know. And it'll be good for the PGA. Be good for me as a golf fan. Good idea.

You're back in the PGA. Okay, let's, congratulations. playing in Wyoming at the Who Gives the damn thing. Whatever it is. But it's on my TV because it's a PGA tournament. And now you have to play this because you're back in the BJA. I like this idea. Could also start with strokes.

Like, oh, you got $150 million from, you know, live? Boom. You're plus 15 to start this weekend. Oh, because they do that with the FedEx Cup. So they already have precedent on giving strokes. Bingo. So this would be no different. Nope.

Same exact thing. It's just kind of a PIF tax. That's what we're saying, though. We can think of so many ideas. like we were kind of just shoeed away on the roll out the red carpet let them back in and tell them thank you on the way back those fat checks those elevated events yeah those other players better thank this weekend the no cut signature event ton of money you're welcome thank you live 150 flat rates you're not just wasting 40 grand just in case you don't make the cut on Friday and then you have to get back to it on Monday or Tuesday and do all that BS with the sponsors that

they used to have to do you're welcome to get talk on right now you're welcome Well, I like what you guys are spinning. I agree that it certainly made the PGA better to its players, treated the players better, I think. That is very true and real. And I think they would admit that as well. But when it happened, it was very clearly like, Oh, yeah.

I'm going to kill you. It was a war. Now. That dissipated. They lost. It's messed up. And it kind of did it fizzle out, but there's going to have to be something. And especially whenever they say, hey, if you come by February 2nd,

you're back. Is there a path now, though? Is there a path? anyone to come back. I think somebody's gone through a year suspension or something and then Brooksie was an alternative, I think, for a couple or something. Yeah, he is at the elevated events. The last two of them, he had to, he went there as an alternate, did not.

No one, no one dropped out of the field. So he had to leave left on Thursday. So he has not played an elevated event yet. But yeah, Brooks, $5 million to charity or whatever. But he was, like, they had an option. Cam said it. Like all these guys had an option. Brooks was the only one that took that option.

And now, now that Liv is folding, they're like, Oh, shit, I want to jump on that train. Brooks was never all in. Let's talk about, he had Nike. He stuck with Nike the whole time. It feels like he kind of. We watched the Super Swing series. A full swing, yep.

There it is. And Brooks is in a bad spot. It felt like watching Brooks when he made that decision to go to live. He thought he was never going to be able to hit a golf ball to where he was aiming it again. That's what I learned from Super Swing. Yeah. So when he gets offered $200 million for golf, I think he thought, this is it. This is all I got.

And he found his game again. He was like, whoa. 200 million but who am I playing against? Let's see. Hey, everybody else had to give up their Nike deal. I'm not doing that. I'm keeping my Nike deal. Okay, you're going to wear your range goats hat?

No, I'm wearing a Nike. No, I'm wearing a Nike. That's a sick name. Smash mouth? Smash GC. Do they still own these teams? Remember they're talking about how you get equity in the teams and all that? Are they worth anything?

Yeah, they're making a ton. Investors? Possibly you. The team owners, Phil. and Bryson and Bobwell, they're making a ton. I was pumped to see the amount of money to go to the athletes. I don't want to continue to just say that. That's why I stuck up for live because so much money was going to athletes

and everybody was grandstanding about where the money was coming from. It's like, well, there's a lot of that money everywhere. So let's not get mad about, and now we all know that. Now everybody on Earth knows that a little bit more than it did maybe in 2022. So I didn't like that the athletes were the only ones that were getting grandstanding a ball. I'm like, you can't take that money because it's bad, it's bad money. It's like, well, I just got Starbucks.

I just wash her. I was down. They're in everything. They're money. They're money. We're tracing money for everything. So I was always seemingly, people tell me that I was a pro-Livga.

I'm pro these guys getting a shit ton of money to be athletes. Now, I had eyes and I tried to find a live thing. Couldn't find it. And it was ass when I found it. And I think I was pretty open about that for a while about that. So I'm happy the PGA and it's professionalism and what it is continues to rain. But I would like to see everybody. But I don't think the people that made the decision to take two

million being waltz rate back in is fair at all to the guys that turned down 150 200 million dollars at the time and basically we're forced into a you're bad people trying to take on thick so i think there has to be something that's all i'm saying it's got to be a path you got to be a path where you can play your way back on the tour and you got to have some kind you shouldn't have to start from the the absolute bottom there's got to be some kind of way if you have status somehow and you are a guy that's one what if you had by the way back what was that show that the big break is that what they you said that's a great To break the glass.

Love that show. Tic-Tac to with the glass, the whole thing. Late night. That was right after the Gulf fix when you put the tube in the thing. Unduffable. Great show. Yeah, that's where I bought.

That's why I bought this. Yep. That's why I bought this. Right here, the unduffable. Big break. They weren't using this. I thought. Is that like a fairway?

It's like a fairway wood or like a chipper around the room. It's a wedge. That's a unduffable. It's a wedge. Oh. I don't duff. Can you turn it sideways? Can we see it?

Turn it. I want to see the full. Okay. I got it now. I'm okay. I thought it was almost like a wood. And by the way, put that head on a brick wall. Yep. Coca. Coca. Cola.

Yeah. Perfect. That's all you got to do. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who might be able to teach us about batting balls around a little bit. He's a guy who currently has an 839 OPS every last nine games. That's good. The man who's on a team that is currently in the middle of a seven-game win streak. It started to feel like good old days with the lovable reunion as Grandpa Rosses continuing to talk about what this Cubs team used to be. Young Chicago Cubs star who just signed a massive deal at the beginning of the season,

living up to the hype, enjoying a winning streak. Ladies and gentlemen, Pete Crowe Armstrong. Yeah, PCA! I like that. Wherever thought a clap for yourself? Hi, boys. Because if you didn't clap, you would have looked weird. So I appreciate you doing that.

We kind of put you in a little bit of a predicament. I think you handled it well, just like you're handling the season well. How's life, brother? Seven game win streak feels good, I assume? Oh, every time, yeah. It's fun playing good baseball at Wrigley. It's fun, you know, we were just delayed for like an hour and hour and a half the other day, but we still had $32,000.

And it's always fun when, you know, when the boys are coming up in big spots. You got everybody, you know, 1 through 13. And this offense kind of just making it count when they're called upon. Okay, so seven-game win streak. I don't follow many baseball. seasons in my existence. This year I am, though. This year I'm in. And I'm thankful for you in many of the Lads of the World Baseball Classic for that, for me being in there. Seven-game win-streek. Is this normal throughout a good season? Like, what is kind of, because you guys play so many games,

I assume you drop games and you just like don't kind of care. You've got to kind of move on. Is this a good length for a win-streek? And what is the most you guys have experienced? I mean, we had a, I think we had a 10 game earlier this year. You know, I mean, you're taking, you're really taking any you can get throughout the course of the year, grand scheme of things. I mean, you know, seven's a lot. So, you know, you walk away from each one of those games kind of, you know, feeling really good and celebrating those wins because they're hard to come by. As you are probably starting to find out, watching this sport a little bit more is like, you know, we're playing a division rival and they were hot. before they came here.

So, you know, they could turn it on at any point as well. And it's just our job to kind of match that at any point. Yeah, you're certainly doing that. What if this just becomes, what if you just win every game going forward? That would be crazy. What if you're just sort of the entirety of the rest of the season, you guys never lose again? I guess that is possible.

Now, I think there's one side of the entire Major League Baseball that's doing great. Yeah. And then the other side of baseball is kind of ass right now. Yeah. AL ASLEG is what they're saying right now. That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. But the NL is completely different story.

Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Pete, I do have a question. Only three teams over 500 in the AL. Oh, but look at that. One, two, three. All five teams are over 500 in the NL Central. Obviously, you guys are up at the top there. Is that talked about it all with you guys

and just being in the NL Central and how good the NL Central is right now or is that something that you'll worry about farther down the line? I mean, will we ever work? about it, probably not. You know, if anything, it's fun to be a part of a division that is, you know, kind of taking the game by storm this year with a lot of fun call-ups to be aware of and Connor Griffin and J.J. Weatherholt.

Sal Stewart. Sal Sal, Sal's balling. You know, I think it's just, I think it's really good for the game. I don't think the Central is really, uh, I don't know. to me, it's never felt like the division until this year. But everybody's really fun to watch, and it's fun to be a part of. So at the end of the day, no, we're never going to worry about the standings until they tell us where we're going to be seated in the playoffs.

I mean, the goal is to just make sure that you come out on top. Know that the AL's ass right now. They're bad. They're bad, bad, bad over there. You know, in the N.O. Central, yeah, Skainza is cooking. Yeah, he's on the bump. Yeah, he's on the bump. So let's make sure we got look alive out there.

Okay? And, you know, yeah, thank you. PCA, you get it. You understand the deal. You understand what's going on? They're fucking hoisting cones over there, too. I don't know if you've got a chance to be on the other side of that. They're dunking on people with cones right now.

I haven't really seen it, but I've heard the cone, Lori. Yeah, I have. Oh, you don't want to feel it, brother. I'm telling you that is not something you want to feel, BCA. Now, I will say the pirates aren't trying to feel any type of PCA way either. We got a hembo stack because you're coming on the show. We asked, uh, defensive runs safe. DRS, Doctors is a stat that dates to 2003.

That's 23 years ago. Season record, 42 of them. Okay, shout out to Androton Simmons. That guy was a fucking Spider-Man out there. Seasoned outfield record, 37, Kevin Claremar. Pete Crowe Armstrong, he's currently on pace for 45. You tell me, did you know about this stat? And do you feel like you're having your best defensive year or best year of your life thus far?

Um, I, I'm aware of, uh, of doctors. But, I mean, my job is just to go make sure the ball doesn't hit the floor. So, like, whatever stats can measure your defensive run saved, it's cool. But we've been taking a lot of pride in other little, like, baseball-y things that people may not appreciate as much. Yep. Tell me these things so I can act like I know what they are whenever I'm having conversations. go, here you go.

Yep. So when we're in L.A., right, Andy Pages or Andy Pahas, the centerfielder for the Dodgers, he threw two guys out at home plate. There was just this relay where he kind of like fielded the ball and threw it on the run. And normally you don't really see that from an outfielder, but when you got an arm like that, that guy, he was just in a super impressive play. So we're all super focused on just like getting the ball in clean to the right spot really quick and efficiently.

So, you know, like, Wrigley's a tough place to play. So when you can take away runs, that's huge because it's not always the easiest place to hit. But, you know, yeah, this was one of the more impressive things I've ever seen. Like, I feel for our third base coach here because he sees that ball get all the way to the wall just about. And next thing you know, it's in the shortstop's hands. So it's just rare that you see an outfield or make a throw like that.

And I think that is such an important part of the game that goes unnoticed sometimes. So is this a doctor's right here? This is a doctor? This is a doctor. It's got to be. It's got to be. I don't know. I don't know enough about doctors.

But to me, that's just a damn good play. I like that you're learning, constantly learning, and also complimenting somebody else immediately upon us saying you might be the greatest in the history. Debutt has a question for you, PCA. Yeah,

when you're bad as hot as yours is right now, How do you kind of manage, I guess, the aggression versus having, maintaining that plate discipline? Because when I'm out here playing with football, I want to swing at everything anytime I touch that ball. So how do you manage that? How do you balance that? Hey, I'm a lot like you. That's always been the hardest thing for me, really. I mean, I love to swing the bat.

I love to try and make stuff happen with the bat. So, you know, I think the plate discipline is actually a little bit better. I would say a little over a week ago, and before that. But, you know, when I start feeling sexier and I do start putting more balls in play, more balls in the air to the pull side, like, I do end up swinging more, so I'm inevitably going to chase more. And that's just, I think that just, that's something I got to accept about myself. But I'm just, I'm not going to walk that much, man.

But when the bat's feeling good, then I got to let it rip sometimes. Okay, you say when you're feeling sexier, some days you just go ahead and walk through that clubhouse, You take a little look at the mirror. Hell yeah. Today's a good day. Hell yeah. Today's a good day. Go out there and start swinging at everything.

I enjoy that. Did ABS affect you guys at the beginning, you hitters? Because we thought Aaron Judge was maybe overthinking the ABS at the beginning, maybe coming out. If it's not a strike, it'll be able to get fixed if it's a strike. Was that messing with anything with you at all? Or is that just kind of us making a bullshit for you guys that kind of stunk at the beginning and now we're doing great?

I mean, I think if you look at like the numbers or the success rate, like I think catchers, maybe pitchers just because they've probably challenged less, have the best success rate. I think it's catchers. I think catchers are like 69% or something like that. I forget the number. There you go. Makes sense.

I mean, I think as a hitter for me, it's tough. Again, like the zone awareness is something that's kind of a work in progress for me. So like it definitely messed with me a little bit. I was 0 for 2 to start the year on the challenges. and I was just kind of like, I'm never going to do this again. If I'm a guy like Aaron Judge, who does handle the zone very well, if I was Aaron Judge at all, I'd be confident in every single one of my abilities. But our team's been pretty solid with it.

Me, not so much, but again, I'm not going to be the guy that's, like, really making most of those challenges at all. Do you love it or hate it? Has it been an overall good or bad for a game, you think? I think we've definitely seen some moments where it's been really good. And then we've had like, honestly, I think we've had one game where it's kind of come back to bite us in the ass. But like, for the most part, we've made the most of the challenge system and made it work for us. And then, you know, like late innings, having them is big. But with our catchers, like our catchers, our catchers been so solid with that.

So I trust those guys to kind of just go do it whenever. What's that bat that got introduced to my life? Torpedo bat. We use an o's? Are we still using torpedo bats? many are i'm not man i can't i can't i can't find i can't figure out where the barrel is on those bats like it's just it's in a sweet spot that's what it is i heard i heard it actually makes yes they like sorry they just they move it down like they move the sweet spot a little lower

and like closer to the hands and that's just a weird concept for for my brain and my hand connection to grass where's he going we got we got we got we have a wiffle Whipple torpedo bats. Yeah. So we saw what all the guys who were cheating were doing. They got a little different, you know,

got this thing looking like a cricket stick, but it's got a bigger down here from what I've been told. And then this is old school here, just kind of the funnel effect, you know, because you used to put, cut off the top of these,

obviously. And, uh, cork. Put tennis balls in them. Yeah, Louisville chugger right at the top of this bat boy here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that too. And then obviously a torpedo.

Hey, you good. All right. See you soon. Hey, so this thing here. It was like a cheat code. for a bit. And you're saying some guys just swing differently, and for you, it's not like that? I mean, I think the point of it is to, like, move, it's to move the density of the, of the, like, sweet spot down in a way that it actually helps your misses more. So, like, the balls you maybe

wouldn't hit as well with, like, the normal barrel. I'm pretty sure you get more forgiveness, or at least, like, a higher exit villa or better contact on the ball. as you miss hit. So I don't know. I just don't like feeling like the barrel is closer to my hands because that's usually when I get jammed. So. Me too.

It's just not a concept if I can grasp. So are you guys allowed to use three bats if you can hold it? Like if you felt pretty comfortable, would you be able to, because it feels like this would be a massive, much better success rate. What is the biggest? What is the biggest?

Is there a barrel size? Is there a barrel size like that you have to? Yeah, because what do we want that thing to be the biggest? Is it minus three still? Like Fred Flintstone. Bingo. Dababba, do that. shit can we can we get that thing like hard to keep up the bat speed I would

assume no not for what if you could yeah your job how big is your bat a lot to be what is your bat what is a normal bat and how big is a bat a lot to be we're just trying to brainstorm here how you could become you know maybe mark McGuire without eating all the you know saying yeah it's the vegetables the vitamins yeah well I appreciate you looking out this this could help me in the long run I swing I swing a 34 31 so that that That's 34 inches, 31 ounces. Like, pants size.

That's standard. That's, yeah, yeah. This is 34, 31 and a half. There you go, boom. Yeah, that's close to what I swing. That's just a half ounce heavier. Give it a cut. No, we do.

Yeah, sorry. I do. I have a cup in there. A lot of guys, a lot of guys swing a similar size. A lot of guys swing like a 33 and a half, 31. I don't know, man. I have this Jose Batista bat from when he played, and it's like, it's like the Fred Flintstone Club. Like, it's, it is a dense piece of wood.

And I don't know if it's legal anymore, but I don't, I wish I could tell you what the legal limit was for barrel size. 2.61 inches in diameter, 42 inches in length. Okay. Is that the girth there? the diameter it's talking about that is the girth okay so 2.6 1 inches in girth that these things can have and that makes sense you know what I mean especially for you baseball guys that makes a lot of sense you know what I mean piece pretty pretty on brand yeah I're the man thank you so much for taking time good luck to your cubs as you guys continue on this wind streak hopefully of good time

maybe till the season's over and yeah yeah fuck why not could happen why not why not Let's just not lose ever again. Get the 2.61, non-flass. Get this thing to 42. Let's start banging balls all over towns, all over the place. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen. That's Pete Crowe-Wormshrie.

Yeah, P-CHA. Pizza, bruh. Yeah, he's awesome. Love Pete. How old's he again? Do we do it? 25, 24, I think. Because Cam Young is 28.

28, I believe. He's 24. I mean, come on. The next generation of sports great place. We're incredibly lucky that we get to have those convos because we can start acting like we did them. Hey, the doctor's on that one guy for the Angels who robbed three home runs in the outfield

is going to be outrageous. Yeah, more on that tomorrow as SportsCenter takes it away from here. I think, you know, the show that's going to follow us is going to be a big announcement. Really? Oh, really? That was good ending. Jeez, what a team. Big announcement?

I think I think there's a sports center. Okay. Is there really? No, no. I don't know. I know too much, but not enough. You know, this is one of That's a good spot to be in, though. Sometimes. No, I think it's worst place to be, which is kind of where society is right now. You're right. I was thinking the opposite.

You know, we all know too much, but not enough. Yeah, you want to be a little, but not enough. That's kind of where we are. People think they know a lot. Bingo. A little bit of information is pretty, is dangerous. Yeah, but we have a lot of information all of a sudden, but we don't really know. You're flooded with it.

It's all part of the plan. Yeah, exactly. They flood you with a bunch of information, so you never really know what the truth. Who's planning? Who's they? Who's they that you're talking about? I don't know. I'm trying to, I've been trying to figure out who they is for 42 years now.

I can't figure it out. You know what I'm not doing? I'm not joining them on a cruise ship ever again. No. Yeah, I think that's, we're going to take that away from, you know, the McAfee plans. The Rolodex. Forever. Now, age, we know you love a good cruise, but boy, it's.

What is this virus? This weird virus is. It's a hunter virus. It's a hunter virus. Like fanta, but hunter. Don't you want a hanta? We don't want to. It is, that has to be worst case scenario.

You know, it took us back to the poop cruise. You remember that? A couple of years or back in the road. A great doc. Or a great little doc they did on that. That would be scary, man. That would be a scary situation. Obviously, T's a piece for everybody.

But that one sounds like it's kind of hit the alga pretty good. Yeah, but not new. Just so we can clarify when, you know, it's not some virus that is brand new. No. This is, this is a... I think we're going to learn a lot about a lot of that, hopefully, finally. Yeah, sure. But they'll probably just over-information, everything,

and then we probably won't learn anything. But then Aaron Rogers will come out and say, he should come on to talk about this. I think he's a little more occupied, no. Is he? Yeah, he's not doing those 500 pages of page. He's bony. He's doing 500 pages of boning.

But actually, he might be writing a book on Boney. I mean, how long is the Kama Sutra? Has he been to the jungle, too? You know, there's so many different. Well, we know, yeah. Yeah, that's where the haunt of virus is. Well, welcome to the jungle. You know what he's bringing.

A lot of pain. There's wood. Let's just be careful joking about this virus. I'm sick of you always doing this. This isn't a new virus. I'm just saying last time this happened, Foxy said, oh, yes, we'll be done in two days and we're done with it forever. Foxy or Fragie?

And two years later. Foxy or Foggy? I hadn't to hear what you said because there's a couple people over talking at because I was told two weeks officially. Now, I will say us. We didn't miss a day. Nope. No. We were safe six feet.

We didn't make eye contact for a few days as we were told not to do that. None of us got it. Got vaccinated. But there was no way any of us could have expected what happened then. Losers. We would like everybody to get up and exit. Do not panic. But if you do not leave, everybody could die.

Do not panic. Please get out of the fucking arena. The NBA has been canceled. Everything has been canceled. Stay in your house for fucking ever. Do not panic. Oh! actual.

Yeah. Can't be having that again as a society. No. Let's fight this haunta. Let's haunt haunta. So is it only on a cruise ship right now as far as humans go? No, because it has been, it has occurred at other places. I believe there's a guy in Switzerland.

Like this is a common thing. I think because it's on a cruise ship, the cruise ship itself is a tiny cruise. It's a bigger, is a bigger deal. Yeah, it's a small. Almost not even a cruise ship. It's not Kahnival. Like you're thinking. What's that?

Did they burn the cruise ship once they got all the people off and just they're still on it. I don't know if they got everybody off. I saw the news they did get off. No, the Canary, Spain said go land of the Canary Island. Yeah, but I saw. Yeah, I said in a recently up there. Yeah, I think canary. Whatever the case, we hope everybody's okay.

Wow. We hope everybody's okay. We're not doing the whole thing again. The whole, the whole thing again. Yeah, I refuse. World shutdown. Can't. I feel like a lot of people would probably resist more this time.

Three evacuated off cruise ship with suspected hauntavirus. cluster, World Health Organization says? The fatality rate? Nope, we're not getting into it. I think Bailey McComers did some research earlier, which is always fascinating, and he dropped some percentages on us. Oh, okay, yeah, that's not sure any percentages he drops. Exactly, thank you.

But he might be right, and we don't need it. There's some votes, though, that are happening. I don't know if you guys heard about this. Wait, what? Big news coming out of the American Football Coaches Association, which is the union for the coaches. is they voted in a vote last week. The AFCA board swung its support behind one,

a playoff with max participants, 24. Two, discontinuing conference championships as a whole, the game that decides a champion where you play all season to earn your way in there that has become quite a hot button topic over the last few years as teams that are trying to make it into the playoff are forced to play in a conference championship. Don't want to play in a conference championship

because if they lose in a conference championship, it's going to be held against it for the playoff. But if they didn't play in a conference championship like some of their phones, they wouldn't have another loss. So now all of a sudden this conference championship game badder. Why are we doing this?

It's an extra game people get hurt that are going into a playoff or somebody to potentially make their resume even worse going into the playoff. A lot of the big conferences have hated the conference championship

game over the last few years. I assume that the fans will still love and everything like that but the coach association said we're good with it. And then also we'd like to end the college football playoff by the second week of January.

Okay, second week of January. This year, the upcoming national championship is January 27th. Damn. second week or second Monday of January could be January 8th technically or if the math was to work out with a Monday being January 1 which would obviously be great for everybody's schedule as you start a new week you start a new year but nonetheless they're trying to take a few weeks off they're trying to say no more conference championship games there's also I think a bye week that goes from two down to one so this has been voted on by the American Football Coaches Association now upon hearing this we go oh this ain't bad deal Okay, okay, it's nice. It certainly does mean something. Then we reach out to source says,

and they told us basically, that's cute, coaches. Okay, we're fucking in reality here. All right. We got five, six, seven more years of deals with a lot of money going to a lot of your pockets and a lot of your schools, okay, that are having a conference championship game. And the dates have already been.

So we appreciate your vote. Duly noted is kind of what we were trying. that this vote was kind of a piece of it. But the AFCA has voted in things in the past, and it's gone publicly broadcasted, and then end up happening. So I do think this is a massive sign of, like, the coaches just basically saying,

hey, we would be good with this if you guys were to pass this. And I think the people that are to pass it say, okay, well, wouldn't it have been nice to maybe vote on this if you understood what we kind of have to do and are kind of a part of. So I think that is kind of where we lie right now, AJ. Man, yeah, I guess just putting it out, there on their radar. But when I first saw this, I'm initially thinking, okay, like, what if us us as a show got together and we voted something? We want the NFL to do. We're just suggesting

something. That's basically what's happening, right? Yes, that is kind of what this. Funny, you weren't in. So we made multiple calls this morning just to kind of see what this meant. You were not here. You did not get to experience this. I'm appreciative of you thinking the same exact way that I kind of thought as well as soon as I heard this. I was like, I don't think this matters. So then we call a couple people and everybody that we called that would know was like, cool thank you we hear what you're saying but this doesn't no this means absolutely nothing and we're also told that the coaches we're not given any information or ask for any information about things that are like kind of non-negoti you know so from my understanding this is the coaches

saying we'd be okay with this but the actual you know decisions that have to be made are happening by people that are like we can't thanks for putting that out into the universe now we look like even bigger assholes whenever we have to do what we have to do because that's not the reality of this current situation because although people hate it and it certainly is something that people can say ruins things, the money and the business behind it all, especially now for college football, is a massive piece of it. And there's some things I think that like some of the people that are voting on this are like, are you taking pay cuts then? So we can get out of, if that's what you're voting, is that what you want to do? Because we have to find a billion dollars somewhere to give

back if we want to do all these changes. So I think we're nowhere near. a final decision being made on all this. But I do appreciate the fact that we're all trying to push it to like, hey, we need a better schedule, we need better this, we need this. I think the coaches are saying that as well. Yeah, it's cool for football for the coaches. Like, yes, all these things are done. One last game.

The season's over. Basically before the portal or around when the portal is. So those teams don't miss out on as much. But we celebrated it yesterday. The Big Ten made what, $1.3 or $1.4 billion. and every single school got 75 or 78 billion. Like those conference games, more games in the entire year, basically. Like that is what it's all about.

And it's not just football. Like that money that the schools get, it helps a lot of sports, not just football. So like even if it's just the football coaches, like you would also think the schools themselves would probably want it to be the way it is now and not these changes. The funny, just the reaction of, okay. was awesome. Yeah. I'm telling you, it was one of the greatest reactions

I've seen to something in a while. Multiple, multiple responses just going, we already got enough on our plate. We know, geez, we got a thousand things we got to answer.

And now coaches are doing a vote without information. And now it's getting public and it's like, I think everybody wants the right thing. What is the right thing? What's reality too? Like what's actually possible in it all?

Because January 27th national championship, that one's locked in. That's crazy. I think that one is locked in. That's the one that needs to be figured out. Because the last week of the season, 25th, sorry, not 207. The regular season is, what, November 28th or

whatever it is? It's the last week in November, Thanksgiving weekend. And then you have three or four weeks off till the playoffs. And then after the semifinals, you have, I think last year it was like 13 days or whatever, between the semifinals and the finals. That's absurd. Like, the coaches are putting these

things out, just kind of trying to throw things out there. I think the schedule, because we've talked to coaches, I think the schedule is the one that they probably feel most passionate about ending closer to January 1st. Maybe not January 1st. That's probably why they didn't put it there. But for the portal and everything, the coaches wanted to end earlier than January 25th. Yeah, that's late. We would like to. For the players. We would like to be. Players safety. Yeah, player's safety, the long season. And, you know, the players going to the next level. Like,

you're into the end of January, the combine is what a couple, a few weeks later, a month later. You got prep for draft. Like, that's a long, long time. Right in the longest season of your life coming up in the NFL, which is obviously hard. The rookie wall is a hit for everybody, especially for those that play late into the college football playoff. If it gets to 24 teams, I mean, without any adjustments that these coaches have voted for, I mean, this thing's going to go until past Super Bowl. Yeah. So hopefully there is some changes.

I also can appreciate the fact that the coaches are like, nobody listens to us. Nobody listens to us. This decision is being made by suits and people that aren't a part of this entire thing. Maybe we should just fucking, we'll just put out everything that we have all. They've all agreed on. We would like the world to know that we as coaches think that this would be the right answer. And then the suits that have to make decision are like, that's not possible. I wish we had a golden-plated road that we could all just walk down in this entire thing.

It's like, well, we're just letting the world know this what we want. So fucking make it happen. It's like, we got four different networks, five different streaming companies. We got five different leagues that have five different contracts. We have deals that were just negotiated. We got some off games to CW, I think, is having something like that. We got a lot of, and there's a lot of sports, there's a lot of timing. They did go down from one transfer portal there.

Right, it used to be two now. Went down to one. Coaches voted for that publicly. That ended up happening. So I think they are trying to get it done. I think everybody is in the mindset of trying to make it better. I do believe that. How we get there, though?

So much money on the line. That's what I'm saying. If you have a, you have like a solution, you've got to find a way to make up for the money you would lose. if you didn't do it the way they're doing it now. Speaking of the money, the Redbird private equity Big 12 deal. Yes. 30 million per team if they wanted to tap into it.

We did a little research. I think it's pretty high interest loan, basically. Oh, okay. I think there's other options for money that have much less interest rates if universities needed money. So I think it is at the point where could definitely get it, but also it would not be considered a good amongst what comps are

forgetting money if that makes sense yeah there was always we we knew we knew there was something because nobody was taking it right so you got to be giving up a lot here turns out it's just like a loan the payback is yeah it's rate of 10% just under 10% so it's like a 9.99% I think there's other options that people could potentially get yes yeah I I took out a couple loans some low yield bonds totaled in 40,000 dollars in college because of commercial I saw one 30 you get a good rate It was like 27. Like the lockout loans guys were taken. Yeah, exactly.

I did that at West Virginia University, right from my dorm, $20,000 first. I didn't even think about the lockout. How many loans were being taken out? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like 40% interest, yeah. Yeah.

They got me. But I just thought I'd be in debt like everybody else if I didn't make to the league. Yeah, if I made it to the league, I'd be able to pay it back. I mean, it's right. And I paid it $75,000 back on that $40,000. Worked out. I didn't.

No, I'm joking. It worked. I certainly did. But, you know, there's the cash advanced places that obviously taking it. Like, there's always the interesting thing of getting money for what you're giving up is always the constant convo. You know, fuck, we've been having it. I've been having it. Yeah.

It's like it's a constant conversation, you know, like, what do you take? What is owed? What's going to be held over your head all the time? It's kind of like what you need to balance in this life, whether it's money, whether it's anything. Literally anything. It's like getting something free. You know, if someone wants to get it. you something cool. Hey, I don't, I don't want the strings attached.

That's going to come with that. Never. It's one of my rules. It's literally one of my rules. I think it's one of the first things that I teach. I said to you the other day. Yeah, I think Foxy legitimate. Am I your only boss that golf course? I guess he didn't really work at? Yeah, basically. Yeah, so one of the first things Foxy, I taught him, was like, hey, nothing's free, bro.

We don't take shit. People hold something over you for over your head for the rest of your life. You take a pair of pants from somebody. So just, hey, remember I fucked in. No, you didn't. No, you did not. I mean, we get sent stuff here, and then all of a sudden, we get fucking... Exactly. Someone puts it up on an auction. Bingo.

Who the fuck did that? It was us. It was us that did that. Of course. What are we talking about? Yeah. I mean, it's just a never-ending, you know, you can't do it. Nothing is free.

Nothing is free in this world, okay? Especially in the mind of the person that is giving the thing. That is a... You'll give me that later. Yep. But you give stuff to people with no strings attached. Like, people still do that. Like, I do, like...

It doesn't have... have to be that way i should say but it is it's good business i guess it's a good business what they say how about gary bedman good convo they're great he was chill relax casual casual casual gare i like it i was in the middle of balancing the budget five games back in the office every single day well that's thing that's why he's so casual the can't like we love the stars or sorry the wild in the avalanche but that's kind of one-sided like he's got the seven game are coming up here tonight in the best arena and the barns yeah yeah he's probably going to buffalo tonight yeah you know that's so close i haven't seen the blading boys from buffalo no they've been

icing their feet icing their legs getting ready i mean i'm glad i'm not glad i'm bummed out the bruin's lost i'm so excited now to kind of not root for the sabers but appreciate them even more now that we don't have to go up again experience the savers more like like i'm excited to see what the blade blades boys do with the Canadians jersey on some sort of doll that they are fighting with their roller blades on in the middle of downtown Buffalo. Yeah, I'm pumped for it as well.

And then Ducks, Golden Knights, Hello Electricity. Remember last time coach for the Ducks who kind of looks like a cartoon character almost had his head explode whenever he was so pissed off about a non-icing call that led to the game leading goal. Ah, yes-e! Yeah, he's got some loony tunes.

I push the guys back. They're always just to pull their neck. They're always worried he's going to hit him in the back of the head. My daughter watched a movie recently. He's a character. I forget which one it was. Maybe up. There's probably a bunch of them. Yeah, I think up, you're taking up, I bet. Yeah. There's a new one swapped that just came out.

On Netflix. Yeah. I almost watched that. Animated thing? It's an animated thing. It was number one in the kids thing. And obviously any animation is going to capture Kenzie for a bit. It's so talented. It's crazy what all these kids movies are. man so negative at the beginning to lock in teach resilience just a lot of adversity like

i mean it's right there that's the that's the disney kind of formula let's kill the parents right away and then let's bring them back it was the laurax is what i see uh oh lorx does look like that guy sold air or sold air on that he's kind of lauraxy i'll tell you what i enjoyed the loraxe warrox is full and protector of the force they're all he's also with the bugs bunny hunter you put the laurax up a little bit maybe can we put him next to each other is that put yeah oh back to him uh oh that looks like what it's oh baby he looks like the hunter that killed try to kill bugs bunny no more fun not as fun when the rabbit has the gun yeah i hope we see him that i explode he might Luraxes love marshmallows.

Maybe the refs should think about given the coach of marshmallow. Shut up, Joel. I'm not a big marshmallow guy. Me either. What about with smores though? What about it?

Not a big smores guy because of marshmallow. I don't buy. I don't rice goose tree guy either? I'll do a smore. I'll do a smore because it's the vibe. It's the community. Smore is a thing. You're very rarely doing that by yourself.

I will do the smore activity. But boy, I'd much rather just have the gram cracker with the Hershey chocolate. Just eat that. Just don't make me burn my fingers. I'm like here. Okay? Don't make me have to do it, but I'll do it for the community.

I'll like that fucker on fire. Put that thing right in there. That thing will seep out over my thumb. I'll get third-degree burns. I do the whole thing. There's music playing. We're boozing pretty good. Probably some smoke happening.

I'll do it for the vibes. But in my best life, that from the very beginning would have had no marshmallows in. Wow. Yeah, agree. That's key ingredient. So that bag of shmallows just laying around. You're not just... Never. You do? Yeah. What? What? When do you have one laying around, though? When you're in a long time. Or maybe the kids want to make some rice, crispy trees. Whatever that bag is laying around, especially the jumbo ones. When I was a kid, I roasted in eight, like eight to ten marshmallows in a night. And later that night ended up catching the flu. So I puked all night.

marshmallow i haven't touched one since i think i was about seven years old i had that with orange juice just the worst dumps as an 11 year old i think just running right through i might poop my pants in public i had that was so cold in mine well that's orange juice that's what i blamed it on for my whole life i blamed it on i assume it was something else that i had that was probably expired or something i probably wasn't the orange juice at all but i remember being very embarrassed publicly because i pooped my pants and that'll happen i'm like how old are 20-something. AJ, I already said I was fucking like 11 years old.

I didn't hear that part. I cut out. Yeah, I'm sure it did. Adults poop their pants and talk about it. All the time. So, sounds like guys that pooped their pants here. So. You guys jumped right on.

Sharding? Sharding, you're talking about pooping your pants? No, no, no. Full shit. That should not be happening. How old are you? That should not be happening. 38?

I don't think. How old are you? You're taking a full dump in your pants, so. Like my daughter in her diaper where there's a little... I did, but I know people who do. Who? Adults?

You know them, too. How old are they? 90? They're migraine. Don't talk about the window washer like that. Joe Hadley's not poop in his pants. Joe forces other people to poop their pants. And if he did, he had the tools to clean them right away.

And exactly. If you like your windows cleaned in western Pennsylvania, you need to call Joe Hadley. 412-795. I'm joking. I don't know what his number is. Joe Hadley's window cleaner. Just Google it. And his schedule is booked.

Don't fucking call him. He needs you. He's got a family. A beautiful one. Yeah. Growing, obviously. But no,

Joe Hadley's not pooping his pants. Who's pooping their pants? Caboli? Oh, yeah. Coli is definitely poop his pants. I've full diary in my pants, if you remember,

like three years ago, over February break after the Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, you had to tacos. Full, yeah, like,

and that's probably the only experience I've had with food from one specific place that I'll never do again. But it's happened that? Like if you were you at home? No, public. I was on my way.

I was on my way home. I was walking home. But if you, you just get back up walking home. So that was a, oh. No, that's when it started. It didn't actually happen until in my apartment. You pooped your pants in your apartment?

Yeah, dude. It was crazy. You made it all the way to the apartment and then just let loose as soon as you get in it. I felt fine once I got back. I was like, okay, I'm good. Like, I just. Oh, sat down. Yeah.

Didn't even shower after I just went to bed. That's not true. It took me like two hours to clean up. Not a smart. play oh can you imagine that's most efficiency yeah army crawl to the bathroom how do we yeah you got plastic bags around your feet what do you do i got close i was in the bathroom when it happened i was right there oh no that's died really on the wall i've peed on my pants before accidentally i've peed my pants yeah that happens to be a lot actually i feed on my pants sure that's a moment you got

to have with yourself oh i'm in public right now yeah how does that work dude you're an adult you got to speak these people go to a hand thing or splash like your whole that's right fashion you do fashion you do fashion oh sorry guys sink exploded or something or by the Tim Robinson pants

that would be funny just to I don't know what the Tim Robinson pants are but yes we should try to buy them the splash of water just to make it look like it's a fashion movie got to some water pressure is crazy yeah a lot of guys a lot of guys had mayonnaise issues there for a while on their pants

too Remember that? People were having a lot of sandwiches. Yeah. I think Foxy was a big mail. Yeah, he was. I hate mail, actually. Dork.

All right, dude. What the fuck hates? I'm with you fuck. Yeah, I'm not mayonnaise guy. What the fuck? We know you wouldn't eat food. I love Kohl'slaw, though. So, and I hear it's in Kohl'slaw.

We've had this talk. But yeah, I do love Kohl's law. But I would never have put mayonnaise on anything else. I don't know if I've had that conversation with you, but I do appreciate the fact that you've had that before. It sounds like you, you've had to just, kind of defend your mayonnaise hate. while also liking something that mayo's in.

That happens to me with, like, any creams, sour cream, cream, cream cheese. I don't like them. But then they're in recipes, you know? You don't like cream cheese? No. And I say I hate mayo, but it's basically on every sack of subs we get, and I still eat it.

Same. Yeah, so do you actually hate it? Yeah, exactly. I can't, like, I can't see it. If it snuck into a sack of subs, subs going down. But if I'm getting a sub made of a public, I'm not getting made.

I'm not telling them. put mail on shit. I am starting to figure out. We got to figure out how to get good subs whenever we're traveling. I'm about sick of the shit. They have to leave the condiments off to the side. Let us put those on ourselves.

I have no complaints about the sacrosan. No, but there are sometimes a soggy sack of. How about the wings, though? Wings are always 10 out of time. We're starting to figure out how to be a mobile operation. You know, and that's going to pay off, I think. I think that's going to pay off for us at some point. But we are kind of,

rolling stones, not the band, but like actually just kind of pick up and move where we're at. And we've kind of got to figure it out at this stage. I like what we're doing. I'm pretty proud of us. Karen, also, Ms. Karen knows exactly when, where, how, what needs to be there.

We got a good little system guy. I'm proud of us. That's a logistical nightmare, I assume, for a lot of people. Definitely. All that shit. Half the battle. Miss Karen, kind of a dog, a bit of a dog, a super dog,

but the wings have become. Always dead out there. Always the deliver. The saco subs, just because, half of it is sometimes soggy doesn't mean you can't just take it off and turn into like a sub pizza. It's just as delicious. And a way to

maybe beat that is just we have like a designated Seco-Subs schedule where someone just picks it up on the way. The only way it gets soggy is if it sits there for a while, if we pick it up. And we know how some of the people, you know, they get a lot of that thing. You get soggy biscuit. Bingo. Sitting on it.

What? What's that? What are you talking about? What are you? talking about? I don't know. I'm genuinely confused. Catch you all man. AJ always eats all the cheese. Soggy biscuit. I do like cubes of cheese. If it's on a plate, I'm eating. If it's not fancy cheese. Let's do some news, please. Have you heard from Aaron if it's going to be Arizona

Cardinals this season or if it's going to be the Pittsburgh Steelers or if it's going to be a retirement tour? We want answers, no. I am not the guy to come to if you need answers about this situation. I tell you what, Ian Rappapaport. He and Leah, though, they reported that Arizona does not seem like a likely outcome, right? I think I tried to say that yesterday. So anytime AJ says something that somebody else says, that's him finding out what's allowed to be said and then putting it on them as opposed to himself.

We've seen it many times in the Aaron Rogers' off-season sagas. AJ just said, what did rap say? Not happening? Okay, I'll go with what he's saying. That is AJ knowing and finding who he can retweet, that one. Sure. We've seen it before. We appreciate him doing that. He's done this in a past.

Somebody said that he's still going to play football, right? I think that would be the most logical thing. Because remember, there was a time where he was going to potentially retire. Then he went in a dark hole. I think he was planning on retiring. Comes out of the dark hole. Holy hell is Amish there for 48 hours. Had no lights, no power, no contact with the world.

Had a bunch of text messages. He basically gets shoot out of the Packers. Oh, that's not how he wanted to go out. Nope. And now is he chasing a perfect finale? Feels like it. Will that ever happen? A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-R-N?

He never know. O'Goh, what about the New York Jets? There was that photo rolling around. I don't know if it was real or not of him wearing that Jets sweatshirt recently. Have you heard anything about that? He was wearing a jet sweatshirt recently? I think it was an old photo. I think someone, yeah, just is good internet and they got a lot of people.

There's some new accounts that people aren't aware yet that are just troll accounts. Oh, we're talking aggregating trolls. Even worse. More like, more like, hey, this is a, To what Foxy just said, hey, this account says football, let's say it's called football crave. They're the newest one. And they are the ones that are taking old photos and then basically making the caption like Aaron Rogers spotted in a New York Jets hoodie leaving his hotel. I'll tell you what, the internet will get me sometimes, especially if it's like a highlight tape or a video from training or something like that.

Gets me all. Was Malachi Tony wearing pants? Yep, Caprice. What he was? Caprice. Would JSA? Yeah, when he was training down it? First of all, love Jackson Smith and Jigba kind of opening up training for college guys looking to do or be the next generation.

Also love the Malachi Tony, already established, already famous, already a dog. So comfortable in what he's doing, he just wears baggy clothes to a wide receiver workout. I love everything about it. That's a statement in of itself by Malachi. Yeah, he's an absolute dog. And I love him crafting out there with, I would say, coming into this season, the best wide receiver in the National Football League right now. So you're always trying to get that edge down there, South Florida. A lot of these guys do this.

college guys high school guys pro guys it's one of the edges you get down there are those snap pants are those throwback snap pants right there that malachi was wearing i do wonder when he ran when we saw the uh geez my my knees would just blow up good luck covering that yeah absolutely are those they look like they look like it thought they were jeans they're not snap i think those are snaps those are freeze guys i see some snaps yeah there are snaps yeah there are snaps yeah there are Snaps. Malachi snapping. Yos are snaps. Yes, they're back. I love it. Wait do you guys feel the swooshy pants, snappy pants combo that's about to take over. You guys have no idea. Walk into a place. How you doing, keep it moving. Now, I will say, in the new snap community, you will very rarely unsnap any of those. Those will just become pants with snaps down the side. And every once in a while, one or two of them will get kind of unsnapped. It'll be uncomfortable. There'll be a breeze that'll get through that you do not expect. Snaps, in theory, great. didn't really live up to their potential, except for basketball warm-ups? Yes.

Mm-hmm. So cool. Basketball warm-ups, very cool. That's about it. That's about it. Life, not so much. Malachi, Tony, he said, I want fucking sails around my legs, so it slows me down, so I have to train harder. I like what he's doing.

He's like he's training in altitude. I don't know if those are snaps. Definitely. Look at you. Look at, Ev, there's a couple of guns. You're right there. Snap, snap, snap, snap, snap. Those don't look like the Amazon snap pants I have.

Those look like a little nicer. Remember back at our school, everyone started going Commando, because everyone was pulling their snaps off, and it was like, oh, jokes on you, I haven't been wearing nothing underneath. Yeah, it was always, you had to prepare for an outcome

when you put the snaps seat on. Just in case. Yeah. That's not really jokes on the, the guy pulling the pants if old buddy's dong is out. It's like, hey, jokes on you. It depends on how you feel by yourself. Yeah, you're right.

Depends on how flaccid you might be, but yeah. Thank you for letting me show this off. I've been waiting. That would be awesome. Now, on that note. Sorry, my fault. Getting them back. Hold on, hold on.

Take a picture. It's the last time. Leaving the bottom two, snapping down at the bottom, kind of loose. Sure. Always. Those are the days. Malachi gets these throwback. That's old school.

He's fucking snapping his pants. Yeah. It's crystal ball, boys. I don't know if they're... What's that? Why are they Capri-style snaps? I don't understand. This is their generation.

They're always going to do their own shit this generation. Bryce and D. Shambo said, I'm going to be a YouTuber. Then fuck off. and that was quite a big statement. Yeah, it was. Bryson said, I love you know, Bryson massive git for Liv, massive get. Massive get.

One of the most popular golfers on tour, obviously big golf ball racker guy on tour. He was an attraction. He became an incredible YouTube content creator, very relatable. We started learning a lot about Desham Bro, and obviously he takes his talents over to Live, still able to play in the majors,

played the best, I think, out of all the live for. players on a regular basis, also became the most famous, most relevant in the entirety. Now, getting back into the PGA from the Live seems like something that might not be the easiest, it sounds like, from Bryson D. Chambos Point. He's not just focused on YouTube, bro. So I like that he's just potentially, is he just viewing himself as a retired golfer? I'm just a content creator, and then he'll get to play in the majors and then just kind

of keep it moving. And this is his life now because he's already been paid a couple hundred million dollars from his last tour. It's a great question. I believe this was like he said, if Live Forward, so obviously we'll still have to see what's happening there. I would love to see how he would fare if he only did YouTube golf and then played the majors. It feels like something that probably wouldn't go well. This is a guy who did the crime and doesn't want to pay the time. Okay, that's kind of what Bryson's doing here.

He was everyone, everyone drop your egos, but he's not willing to pay any concessions for what he did, okay? But everyone's going to drop their egos except for Bryson. Okay, have fun hit balls over your house and in little red cups and then see how it fares are the majors. Jeez, sounds like you're pretty passionate about this. They're not expect that. I love when he was chipping it over his house, 21 days for whatever it was. I enjoyed the content. Him shut up at majors, being able to play well will certainly be a question mark. That's kind of been the live story of this whole thing. You guys got paid a lot

of money. Do you still care about golf? D. Shambrough has done well. And I think if he was to just go YouTube, he'd feel like he'd be representing the YouTube golfers out there in the majors. He came here. Huh? In the back of the Thunderdome. He was. He did. I can't believe you're saying this about Bryce. He'll be back in the PGA. Yeah, he's one of the five guys we talked about earlier. Like Cam Young

mentioned, there was a handful of people. He's one of them. Now, if John Rom says that his contract is pretty tough to get out of until 2029, I'm assuming Bryson D. Chambos contract is the exact same. So if there's just a little inkling of live where there's 25 people going to a muni and they're going to put on some sort of tournament, which is kind of what I'm expecting at this point, and they're going to pour about, you know, $5 million into it over the next three years. He's going to be there with John Rompley. What's that, Bruce raising his hand in the back with some clarification maybe? If PIF is pulling out, who's like enforcing live side of the contract

and won't they eventually run out of money for lawyers to enforce said contract? Louis Vuitton, Travis Scott. Yeah, they have a CEO. Scott O'Neill. Scott O'Neill. Is Bryson really shocked? Bryson said he was shocked that Piff pulled out. Really?

He said there's communication. This guy's got no. It was described. What are you talking about? Everybody was told that they were in it to win it. Described as a bottomless pit. matter if you have seven quadrillion dollars, you don't want to keep dumping trillions and

billions into it and not getting any return. That's kind of what we were. If you have seven quadrillion dollars, you're not worried about five billion. Yes, you are. But it did feel as if, you know, they kind of changed it all. You know, feel like they kind of changed it all. Because at the beginning, you know, this was kind of

the money that they had over there. They said it was golf, but louder. There's no way you could do this. And they said, we will support you. Okay, I'm watching it. They put everything in there. Five billion worth in there.

And they said, you got everything you possibly need. We're going to go ahead and do golf but louder. Uh-huh. Zoom that in. And here. You jamming in with your other fingers? Why do you jamming in your thumb? What are you doing?

I jamming in whatever you want. Don't cover your mouth. You put in your mouth. No, no, no, no problem. You take all that money. Uh-huh. Watch this. And now what are you left with?

Piff said, we're out. So, Liv's God. Oh. Whoa. Shit. Where to go? Where to go? Where to go? No, I'm asleep. Not nothing. It's gone. It's gone. Money's gone. Oh, go for that. So maybe we'll get DeShan Bro back in PGA because they won't be able to uphold the contract because they're supposed to pay them a certain amount of money. So maybe it'll be a breach on their end. Maybe Rombo won't be able to get a paycheck from Liv who doesn't have the Piff backing. So that's a breach on there. And maybe the boys are welcome back into the PGA after they go ahead and groundskeep a little bit.

Yeah. And maybe we got all the best golfers battling every single weekend at every single PGA tournament. possible and I like that. That'd be cool. That'd be the one. Is Piff still doing boxing? We're hopeful. What's that? Are they still doing boxing?

Yeah, Zufa's still going. Ring magazine still going. I don't know if they're going to pull out of that too. Probably down the road. Turkey is separate from this PIF venture. Oh, okay. I did not know. Yeah.

He's operating on his own accord as long as the crown prince. God bless him, allows him to do so. Okay. And they didn't say that they're going to, they basically said, we're done with this. we're not done with, I think, right? Didn't they know what they said? They said, this one not.

Yeah. They handed over the production of that thing to some doofus. I mean, I don't know who. I assume it was somebody. That was the dumbest shit. I mean, absolutely. How do you put all that money into the thing and then just hand it over to a... I think they actually thought the live events would carry it.

And it's like, no, you need a TV copy that people watch in thousands and hundreds and millions of people watch. It made no sense. And I love it. Bryson and his YouTube career and I love all YouTubers out there I genuinely do I need him on Sundays I don't care about his YouTube career I need him to do the boom the tracker oh little left way left then you got decent little talking to his guy brand new club he just 3D printed in a clubhouse hours beforehand it got approved thanks yeah actually takes longer okay

stupid question you want to make some picks for tonight's game AJ, huh? Let's do it. You got in the NHL, you got Canadians in the Sabres, game one. That's going to be electrifying. Obviously, Conman just talked about how he can't wait to see what the Blade Boys

are up to there in Buffalo. Who do you like? How do you like it, AJ? I mean, I have a hard time picking against the Blade Boy, so give me Buffalo here, for sure, at home. Yeah, Debutt, your thoughts? I'm Buffalo as well. Flates. Toxaton?

Blades. Conman. Oh, man. And I hate to say it, but I might go Canadians. Didn't you just say you can't wait the ride on the side? I can't wait. But yeah, La Habitaton just had something going about it. I'm already saying Louis.

But hey, look, we're all winners because that place is going to be fucking crazy. I'm going to take the Sabres, obviously. I'm not a psychopath. Let's go Ducks at Golden Knights 930 on TNT. This is going to be one of those flashlight ones that's going to kind of get you in the third period. Who do you like? How do you like it, AJ? I'm riding with torts here in the Golden Knights.

for sure they're up 1-0 in the series debuts i'll pick the golden nights as well tone uh they have a bit of a wagon right now so yeah okay you like the knights as well and con man quack it up dude i'm taking the ducks i appreciate you saving the graphic i love everything about it golden nights obviously uh playing the best hockey they have played the lorax though for the ducks i don't think he's gonna lose after that happened i mean it was one-one with five minutes left so it was good it was good hockey i'll quack with you let's go with you let's go with them let's go to the NBA playoffs tonight sixers at mix obviously that one from seven and a half to ten and a half immediately upon Joelle Mbid being ruled out

this evening with hip and knee yeah ankle hip and ankle stuff happening with him obviously he's a giant of a man it's tough to I don't know how he does anything I don't know how wendy does anything which we'll talk about here in a second and then the Knicks obviously on fire Ben Stiller back in the building we assume and obviously celebrity row going to be electric who do you like How do you like it, AJ? I'm going to ride with the Knicks at home, even though Ben Stiller will be there in the front road cheering him on.

I don't think he will be bad luck, but 10.5 feels like a lot, but I'll take the Knicks to cover. Okay, you got Knicks minus 10 and a half. D. But I shouldn't feel like a lot after that asswomen. They just put on them, but I'm going to stick with the Sixers. I think they cover tonight. Sixers plus 10 and a half says DeBud. Let's go to the Toxit Table Tone.

Who do you like? Yeah, basketball gods. Tyrese has got the ball in his hands on a lot more of this game. Give me Sixers. Okay, Sixers. Both guys on the stage thus far. Connery, is that a clean sweep? No, I'm taking the Knicks minus 10 and a half. Yeah, me too.

I will take the Knicks minus 10 and a half. And then let's go. Timberwagons, a little bit of a buzzsaw, taking on the San Antonio Spurs. Perk calls this a must-win game for San Antonio because you think you're going back to Minnesota and getting a win? Yeah, right. Timberwolves rolling. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it as the spurs are favored by 10 and a half?

Yeah, I love everything about Ant Man and what he's doing, but I'm taking the Spurs here minus 10.5 at home. Debug. Bounce back. The perk got me. I'm going to go to Spurs. Spurs bounce back. You're right.

They win and they win big at home. Okay. Spurs minus 10 and a half. They win, but they don't cover. Spurs does. Like the wolves? Yeah, wolves plus 10. That's a two-for there from town from Hammer.

God. Conman. Yep, with them. Close game. Wolves cover. Spurs won. Can we see Ant getting taken out in the fourth quarter to rest? No.

Spurs up. Oh, well, yeah, they're up a ton. Does this become one of those? If they're up 20, yeah. In my mind, I just saw that. It bounced back game for the Spurs, I think. I don't love that I just saw that. But everything tells me about Wembe as he would not let that,

they're going to go crazy, I think. I mean, definitely take the Wemby points tonight. If we're talking point bets, he went 0 for 8 from 3 last time. That won't happen again. You can count on his points. Fucking Gobert is tough. man gobert cannot cover outside the paint so hopefully if 27 if wemby can hit one or two of those

three so tonight's spreads are both double digits yep not good for ball well i believe in a man give me a man give me a man plus nine and a half okay what am i talking about i just for two hours i talk about how much i fucking love the guy mm-hmm and what he's going to let them just get blown out you like wemby too it's an alien but wemby's never been here but you don't You don't have to, like, Wendy, like, 10 and a half times more. You can just like him to get points. I think they should have called timeout with 7.2 seconds left. I think it should have went to the front court, and I think they should have went to the front court, and I think they should have went to go like this and tip it and go to overtime.

That's what I think they should have done at the end of the game. Instead, they get a wide-up in three. They miss it. They should have won that game in their eyes, probably. Yeah, probably. A crowd will be in it. They'll always be in it. Great crowd.

Probably the spurs minus ten and a half. Let's get out of here. Be your friend, tell a friend something. might change her life or understand together. AJ, great show. How are you today, Paul? Good job, guys. You too. Are we hoisting in a county today? Paul Skeen's pitch.

Skeen's Day. How's Shoah, though? Showing he's still pitching. Showy's pitching really well. He's not hitting very well. So if Ty was here, Ty would say this is kind of what we're talking about. Nobody's been able to really do both a super high level.

Just not possible. That's what Ty would say. I believe Shohay said, like, if I was hitting better, I assume I'd be hitting on pitching days, but he's not. And that's because easy focusing more of pitching because he is a pitcher and he's up for the fucking award. Yeah, he's pitching. Moan guy.

Very, very good. I mean, that thing's moving, sweeping. See you later. He made El Tuve look real bad. It's got like a .7 ERA. Somebody on the internet said, Altuve missed by an entire El Tuve. Yeah, I believe that was a lot of pitching ninja. I mean, that's what the internet said.

Because Altuva ain't not the biggest guy, but it was certainly a big, big old whiff on it. Here it is right here. This is from pitching ninja. Yeah, he missed. That's the shit I'm free there. Yeah, yeah. Somebody actually put, Oh, look at that movement.

Instead of a bat, they put Al-Tuvé in his hands and had him swing himself. He still a strike. Oh, boy. Yeah, I mean, that's what the internet, Al-Tuvve, great hitter. We know that. We've seen him running the bases. We've seen him coming home a lot. We've talked about that.

Champ. Over the last few years. Show, hey, though, unbelievable. I think his battle, he done. Yeah, of course. For sure. All right, we appreciate you all for allowing us to do this for a living. It is a joy.

We are in the middle of up to something season. There's a lot of things cooking right now. It's all crazy. And it only happens because of you. Can I get a little bit more faith whenever these next couple announcements roll out from you? You know, because it feels like some up to something seasons I get, like, really proud of.

We get, like, really happy about, and a lot of things have gone into it. And then all of a sudden, when it gets announced, some of you. use it as a way to just attack me as a human. And I'm like, what the fuck have I done? So if I can have a little bit more faith, if we could have a little bit more faith from all of you,

we will continue to be wildly grateful for all of you as we as a team, us and you, are doing cool shit for sports. We're very lucky and thankful to do it all. You are the best. Thank you for letting us do this. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.

Debuck, great work this week. You two, brother. Safe travels. Thank you. Take time. Thank you. Team on me. Team on three.

One, two, three. Two. Goodbye.