The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1556 - Chris Paul, PK Subban, Iman Shumpert, Pete Thamel, Jack Hughes, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk and the boys recap last night’s insane double OT victory for the Spurs over the Thunder in game 1 of the Western Conference Finals, as well as the Montreal Canadiens going into Buffalo and winning game 7 to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. They are also joined by several guests including 21 year NBA veteran, and future Hall of Famer, Chris Paul; 13 year NHL veteran and ESPN NHL analyst PK Subban, 10 year NBA veteran, NBA Champion, and ESPN NBA analyst, Iman Shumpert; the Authority on college football and college basketball, Pete Thamel; and lastly, Olympic Gold Medalist, United States hero, and Center for the New Jersey Devils, Jack Hughes. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this the most thrilling. Tuesday, May 19, 2026. This sports program begins now. Sports! Are the greatest. And listen, whenever you hear the words, a game and seven put together, you expect electricity in the NHL delivered last night in a huge way. As the Canadians of Montreal punched their ticket to the Eastern Conference finals, to take on the Carolina Hurricanes, they beat the Buffalo Sabres in Buffalo.

Now, listen, there was certainly a fightback, okay? This is once a two-o game. Then a fight back, then this thing gets to overtime, and that blip, a little bit of a kind of becomes the game winner, the series seeker. Newhoff becomes the second player in NHL history to have game seven goals to win a series in the same playoff run in the history of the NHL.

Montreal, the Buzzsaw, is going to be on display in the Eastern Conference Finals against a team. that everybody forgets they're even playing because they haven't lost the damn game in the playoffs. Carolina Hurricanes have been chilling, resting up, getting ready for it. They'll take on Montreal and then tomorrow night in the west. The Colorado Avalanche

will host the Vegas Golden Knights. Whenever you think of a game seven, that is exactly what you think of. Whenever you think of playoff hockey, that is exactly what you think of. And this one is about to be an absolute wagon. We'll talk to P.K. Suban. Montreal Homer. Yeah. He's probably real jacked about what happens.

Super job. Can't wait to catch up with him. He'll be at 1235. Also, Jack Hughes. Jongles. Jack Hughes will be here today, 145. Obviously, Olympic gold medalist, American hero, New Jersey Devil, Jack Hughes of the Hughes Hockey family.

Obviously, American Legends will join us at 145. We also obviously have to talk about the double overtime game of the Glyas yesterday in the Western Conference Finals to kick off what the NBA has been having, building for seemingly years now. This Wembe guy, all right? Hey, we're learning more and more about him. This guy hangs with monks. This guy hangs with Kevin Garnett.

This guy pulls up from the logo in overtime, down three, casual. First one, he put up all night. No big deal. Biggest moment. Let me go ahead and splash this thing. I'm taller than you. I can shoot better than you. And oh, yeah, you get me into paint.

I can go to absolute work. Now, what I think gets underestimated about this particular alien here, this human, is, you know, he plays chess in the city. Okay? And when he gives answers, he's won with the universe. He's a part of this new generation that seemingly, you know, a lot of Jersey share and everybody kind of gets along. I think what people, this guy's a killer. This guy is a stone cold killer. The elbow to the jaw should have been a big warning for everybody about who he is.

I think we're just kind of learning about this particular player. I think we're excited about the possibilities of this guy and what he could become in the NBA. They're already talking about like, oh, well, here it is. This is the, we had obviously the runs of the past, and it gets Jordan and LeBron come. Shout out to LeBron. And then now Wembe is here. He's about to carry this entire thing. hasn't won yet, but boy, last night looked like something special from the future.

What he is is taller, tougher, more dynamic, and also petty. He hates that guy that looks a lot like him, but he's the Caucasian version. Chad Holmgren is a guy that I don't think this Wembe guy really enjoys at all. So it seems like you think about who he is as a competitor, all the elites, you know, you think about the elite athletes at the top of the board, all of them, psychos. Competitive spirit, psychos. That's the, that's why they lift all them wits. That's a way, would they wake up so early?

That's why they watch so much film. That's why everything is being finely tuned because they are psycho-competitive athletes that drive them to be the best. We know who they are. You start going around the sports, you know exactly what we're talking about. It started being classified as the Mamba mentality,

and I think Kobe is certainly one of those people, Michael Jordan, Peyton, Manning, Tom, Brady, Serena Williams, Tiger Woods. You go at the top, they're psychos. Wayne Gretzky. These psychos, okay, they're committing everything in their being to being great, and they will stop at nothing to win. It feels like people don't think Wembe's like that

because he's French. Sure. I think that certainly is a part of it. That is a big part of it. But whenever you start lining up what last night was, Chet Holmgren, that's going back to Team USA, taking on Team France. I guess there's some clips coming out of Wemby

when he was 17 years old watching Chet get the trophy and him being bummed out in there. SGA wins the MVP over him. This guy's the best defensive player on the planet, unanimous vote, and also on the offensive side's able to do it. He's the most valuable person to his team. I think he would be able to argue that. SGA wins back-to-back.

SGA also very good. But Wemby having to watch S-Gers. get his trophy. Also, Chad Holmgren's on the other side, and they got a banner hanging up there, and they're six and a half point dogs. It felt like that was the checklist for Wembe to go ahead and have a huge night, and he did.

He's exactly, I think, what we hope he is. I think this is a great thing for hoops, but last night in general, double overtime, absolutely bonkers show, Caruso's going crazy, coaching's at a high level. It was spectacular. Nine-year NFL vet. Darius J. Butler's here.

This is what Adam Silver would go into a lab and try to create if you could, especially with all the hype coming in. Hey, these are the two teams. We've been talking about this since before the playoffs, even. It's like, is it going to be the alien

or is it going to be this Oklahoma City team that is seemingly in the middle of a dynasty run right now and they are incredibly deep. Then we finally get to it in game one. Okay, we got Game 7 vibes in game one. We go double overtime and we got their superstars playing.

I mean, it was a wet dream, I assume, for Adam Silver and the NBA life. I assume that is how they went to bed feeling less. It really does a matchup really live up to the expectations. And just watching that game probably, when I say late, fourth quarter, I'm like, this is one of the best basketball games I've ever watched. And it was probably five, six more moments that kind of had you jumping up off the couch after that from both sides. You know, OKC, every time you thought, you know, the Spurs would kind of take full control of the game,

OKC fought back. Caruso hit three. Jay Will hit it through, who was huge in his return to the Thunder in a little over 30 minutes. But he was dominant. Caruso, he was unbelievable. I know Wemby dominated by him taking on that task. Now look, you do have to look at the big Caucasian. That's the alien on your team.

Like, hey, how about you guard the other alien on their team? So, got some questions about that. That is fascinating. Caruso was on Wembee a couple times. A lot. Quite a bit. Okay. A lot.

Interesting. Okay, Caruso. And he did, I mean, he did the best he could do. He held it down. Caruso looked like he was worth $250 million to Thunder last night. He was unbelievable. But yeah, Wimby, he's the guy. And he's the guy who has that goat potential.

You talk about the creams of the past. You talk about Jor and you talk about LeBron. Like Winby has had these expectations. Like you said, he hasn't won it yet. This is the West Congress finals. But that performance was unbelievable. He only had, what, three blocks. But it seems like just his impact when he's on the court.

And they put the stats up when he's on the court. It's unbelievable. I remember SGA late in the fourth court. He had like a little bunny, wide open floater. Wimmy didn't even jump. I think it was on the other side of paint. You can just see he wasn't really comfortable just because he's on the court. That's the impact that he has on both sides of the court.

It's unbelievable. I can't wait to see the rest of this series and what it has for us. Yeah, and you talk about high-level basketball. I mean, there were some genius stuff going. It felt like it was, hey, we got some real cooking going on with both sides. High-level basketball. Cannot wait to catch up with Chris Paul about it. But whenever you think about Wemby going in there and delivering in that way,

it's like this guy's going to be must-watch. He understands the moment. You know, very obvious he understands the moment. We saw the Olympics a little bit. whenever he was on France, in France, taking on Team USA. Obviously, you see him as him as him going in there, understanding the moment and feeding off of all of it. I like, that's old school pettiness that I think you need.

He played 48 minutes too. So like during the season, he averaged 30 minutes. So that was one of my concerns. Okay, now you get to the playoffs. Now you're going to have games. You're going to have battles, especially we all saw this thunder matchup coming. You're going to have to play 40 plus minutes in night. So for him to grind it out double overtime and be dominant throughout,

That was unbelievable. Let's go to one half of the hammer. D. Cowboys AP Tom. Yeah, Wembo. It was obviously unbelievable, but also Harper and Castle, all three of them. The first threesome, I believe, 22 were under to have it. All three of them had a double double. The lights were not too bright for these guys.

They are so young and they didn't give a shit about any of it. Yeah, talking about how young they are. There it is. I think their average age is like 22 as a whole. So whenever you talk about a young team finding their own and growing into who they want to become, it's happening in front of us. Now, this is where basketball players and team. become legendary, the playoffs.

That is why some of these players that don't get a lot of playoff minutes really kind of go into obscurity because you're not really known. The playoffs is its own season. Teams become stories. Legends are made during the playoffs. This is when the big moments happened.

And Wembe had all the hype and the folklore going into this. And this team, young, is just going to be able to go ahead and build. All of them showed up. And how young they are just tells us,

well, we got electrifying basketball for the next 20 years. Let's go to the talk. Stayby at Boss Conner and Ty Schmidt. Conman, Wemby is a dream. And you are quickly, I think you are quickly becoming, this guy might actually never lose again, which should be a conversation in all. Is that too much in the moment?

Are we overreacting right now, Conman? I don't know, because when we're talking about the moment, like you mentioned it, you know, Bryce Harper kind of brought it up to us, kind of owning the moment. I don't know if we've ever seen a guy his age own the moment on a basketball court the way he did yesterday. The step in three right here was one of the most, like, ridiculous shots. I've ever seen. And this guy's 22. Like we're talking about someone who, sure, if he was five years into his career,

maybe this wasn't his first conference finals. That would be one thing. But it's his first conference finals. It's his first game in the conference finals. And he does that on, you know, MVP night you mentioned it. Like he really is just a freak. And it might be the greatest young core in the history of the NBA. Like there's a reason the NBA lottery is now set up where you can't have a back-to-back-to-back draft with Wemby to Castle to Harper.

Because that is what they built. and Devin Vassell is on there. I think he led the team in minutes. He blocked Chet Holmgren at the rim in double overtime. Yeah, late. And that basically sealed the deal. But to be honest, if I'm LeBron James, I'm real worried. Wembe's going to win a title.

I'm real worried. He is 41. And I'm real worried that Wembe gets a title at 22. And then all of a sudden, this guy only needs four more. And he's passing me already. Honestly, if I'm LeBron in my head, I'm going, Why are you going to bring a broad in this? I'm going to San Antonio.

I'm going to San Antonio now to go play with this guy because why wouldn't you? If you're watching this, how could you not want to be a part of it? Like, Deba mentioned you had three blocks. Watching SGA in the first half trying to figure out how to play with Wembe on the court was interesting. I forget how many points he had at half, but it wasn't many. It wasn't MVP, you know, SGA and just seeing what Wembe does as a presence. like Caruso had 30 points and it felt like that's more so why they had him playing defense on one

because what Caruso could do on offense with him on the court but it was ridiculous to watch. It was the best basketball game. I'm just kind of piecing this together now and I don't like that my brain just did that, but huge night for French-speaking people. Sure. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it was a huge... He also speaks English though and his English is very good. No, and obviously people in Montreal speak English somewhere, I assume, there, but last night was a lot of messy, wasn't it? No, it was. Hey, but we can give them that.

We don't really get that in sports much, do we? No. Since like Zizu and Tieri were playing for the French soccer team? I don't think there's a lot of like, hey, French speaking people are really crushing sports right now. No, definitely not. And I mean, it's kind of just the Canadiens

and then when you have a guy like Wemby come out of nowhere. And, you know, maybe he was thinking that too. He's like, and I didn't see it. We didn't see much of his post-game media stuff. But maybe he did give his entire, you know, you know, post-game media scro? Maybe he did in French. I may have missed that.

I don't know. Well, I don't know if you saw the graphic that we put together for, we try to. Yeah, I mean. El-a-Bu Le Habitaton. Eleu! What is this? What's the other half of that thing? What's the other half of it?

El-a-Bu, I think, is A-N-that's a goal or something like that. Say, there's a whole number thing. Lehabitans? No, Leighabitton's is obviously. The Habs? Okay, that is. There's another part, though. There's another half of this sentence that is said.

Oh, Elabu de Kibu de Kese. Canadiol? Okay. You're dancing around it. Bruce, we send it into the group. Can you grab that, please? The Canadian, the French speaking thing in the group text there. It's a full saying. And I'll tell you what. Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I would say the French language sounds pretty spectacular whenever it's read. But yeah, the abettance last night have a huge win. Montreal upside down. That city is going to be on display, I think, here now, even more so than anything. And I know this happens in college a lot, which. leads us to the next story we're going to chat about. Like sports put cities and towns on a map. Okay, it's broadcasting. It is commercial for your city. It is how a lot of people will think about what your city is forever through the lens of sports.

Like that is kind of what happens. Montre, what they're about to do, I think, over these Eastern Conference finals and hell, Carolina hurricanes have literally been unbeatable. I think what the Montreal people, Les Habitaton, or whatever the hell,

I think they are going to, showcase how good of a sports town and they are and I think it's going to be a great I mean they are going banana that city doesn't sleep I've been to Montreal two times it is insane that was not where the game was no that's a watch along that's a watch along that's happening so like I'm pretty the thing I'm jacked up about here is that I think a lot of people are going to get welcomed and kind of introduced to hockey culture but like their hockey culture is bananas And there's a lot of other Canadian teams, I think, that are not going to be excited how much their barn's getting celebrated because they feel like their barn is probably a little bit more electrifying. But I think we got some great environments, great atmospheres going forward.

Oklahoma City last night was awesome. Yeah. San Antonio is going to be outrageous. Mattis of the Square Garden, we already know enough of them. I mean, let's go ahead and go crazy here for the Cavs, too. Yeah. I'm going to show up in a big way. Is Dan Gilbert busing people to MSG?

See, I love that too. I like it whenever an owner is busing, what, 25 buses up to that game? 25 buses. is a great move by him. Yeah, that's like college, high school. I love that. I enjoy any time that happens. It's culture.

How are they able to get that many? Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question, and he got good seats. Like, they weren't in the nosebleeds. He got good seats for every single one in there. And they're the only ones in there with like 10 minutes left in the game. Hey, a lot of Montreal fans in Buffalo last night. There was a big pop whenever they scored early.

A couple times. That was very loud. I'm like, oh, hold a phone. How about the whistlegate going on there? Huh? Interesting. Yeah, you could say that. That's game seven puck.

It feels like there's always going to be some sort of... When you're running the goalie all night, it kind of happens, you know. They took the goalie out before they scored the tie it. Oh. No free hacks on the goalie. Do you have any inside info regarding this play? No inside info on this particular play, but clear you can hear the whistle. Yeah.

You know, I was potentially listening to the other game. Sure. Because Tariko's on a microphone over here. Not that I don't love McDonough. I do love McDonough. But with the way the games were kind of timed up, I was trying to bounce back and forth in the audio. It felt like March Madness last year.

Yeah, a little bit. It felt like March Madness on the TV's there. So I didn't hear the whistle as clearly, I think, as you can certainly hear. But boy, the Buffalo Sabers fans, the Buffalo people, just another heartbreak in Buffalo. And we want to let them know, hey, hell of a run, though. It always is.

Again. They're tired of that. They're tired of that hand clap. They're tired of being told, hell of a run. Buffalo fans, you're a fan of the bills. The Sabers, like, They'll pout till the cows come home. Don't worry.

They'll be fine. Oh, come on. They will. They always do. We should probably look at the numbers that Alex Tug had since Josh Allen wore's jersey to batting the drum in game two of the first round. I don't want to pile on. I don't.

Okay? Then why do you don't want to do then? Because that's what you're doing right now. I just would like to look at the numbers. Hembo, if you hear this, do that, please. You don't want to pile on. I don't want to pile on. Of course you don't.

And, you know, Josh Allen's a hell of football. grade football player but boy oh boy it really took a turn Buffalo last four playoff eliminations this year Maril game seven over time oh geez game seven they're used to it at this point no they can't

plus the four falls I mean jeez NHL won't change a rule for him either why can't we wear our jerseys okay all right we wanted that rule change too those stupid yellow jerseys well not like the overtain rule is what he's talking about, I think. So they could have answered their Patrick Mahomes, I think.

Oh, that one, yeah, yeah. They did. They change it. Well, that's what I'm saying, though. He said he doesn't think they're going to do in the NHL. Yeah. Oh. I think what they're saying is they overturned a whistle, didn't they, in Buffalo if I was talking

about them. Hey, Buffalo fans, chin up. Okay? Chin up. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to say it to him. Sounds like Dee, but does, Danhausen maybe needs up. Mr. Borders even told us, hey, the two ones to keep me up in night.

Yeah, you're right. We got a whistle us. Screwed the Buffalo bill. Keep him up laughing. Before we move to the NBA with a man who knows a lot more than we do about the NBA, I did get a chance to break some news in the NHL. Hmm. Yeah.

What? Did I put on an insider cap, potentially? Breaking, according to source. SIS. The Vegas Golden Knights' in-person appeal of the missing media obligations case, stemming from game six of the Anaheim Ducks series, was heard in New York this morning by NHL Commissioner Gary Bedman. Source.

SIS. Close to the situation. what they're saying? Vegas's appeal was heard in person this morning. The penalties currently stand as originally assessed. $100,000 fine to court, uh, Torts, second round pick yanked out of the organization. So Gary Bettman, commissioner, heard the defense, understood the situation and say, listen, we can't start a precedent here. This can't be the case. Torts probably understood as a man who used to be in the media.

I mean, we heard EJ yesterday, 18 year NHL vet saying, as a player, I want to get home there. You know, I understand. but now in the media it's like hey we're trying to you know do a thing tie it feels like you're a little bit upset about the inside breaking news that i had as soon as i started putting pen to paper if you will thumb to phone to put this out you started shrugging and huffing over there yeah what's going on over this is life of inside ball i don't know if i like you huffing and puffing in my news i'm not at you pal okay you didn't make the decision i'm just i'm just wondering yeah i'm not shooting the messenger i'm just wondering if the uh you're huffing and puffing and

at the message. At the league itself, if they maybe have it out for torts and the boys, this is bullshit, we already heard. Listen, they had restrictions, okay? That bird had to get in the air, otherwise the boys were going to have to stay in Anaheim a next night. You think Torch is putting up with that? No. So you know what I want Torch to do

from here on out? Every single post-game media scrum, every question. That's a stupid fucking question. Next. And he's going to do it. You think the torts is above doing that? I don't think so. They have no idea what kind of monster they created. He'll eat that 100K. That's a couple, you know, age bottles of Bordeaux that he's not going to be able to have this offseason.

And we're going to move right along and fuck that second round pick. Don't need that either, okay? It's bullshit, though. Pure poppycock. Feels like a witch hunt, not the kind of mojo you want going in to the Western Conference finals. Second round, that's a big pick. That's a big time, especially for the Vegas golden nights. You've got a lot of high-end players.

Bill Foley will figure it out. He'll figure it out. I get the fine, but second round pick, geez. Poppycock? Yeah, pure poppycock. It's bullshit. This insider game's crazy. Yeah, careful. That's going to happen.

It sounds like he's thinking it's going to happen a lot against the Vegas team because you say they're out to get him. No more Penn's logo. I don't see it anymore. All I see is a freaking shield. And it has NHO on it. Listen, if I'm going to become an NHL insider, just know, sometimes I'm going to have to break your hearts, boys.

That's just life that I'm going to have to deal with. As long as you as you as OBB for some of our teams, okay? Because coming out here and just saying, are you going to ask this, this is the situation? I am as an insider. standing directly on business. I'm going to get the news out. That's what I'm trying to do.

Because I don't want to be looking over there and seeing basically just a bet a betman standing on your shoulders, constantly just telling you, let him know, Pat. What are you talking about? You think Benman's the source? I don't want to do that. He's not. No, no, no. You think he would want to be the source on this one as saying like originally assessed?

No, he wouldn't want that. Now, have we maybe infiltrated some other offices around? Maybe. Maybe we have. That insider game. Holding their water. Not, I'm breaking news. You might be holding their water.

Who's water and I break up? It might be holding their water. Okay, you should hear what I'm, I got cooking right now. I got some lines in the water. Okay. And it's going to be big. Good luck. It's going to be there.

I'm working it. McDavid, the hockey town. We'll see. McDavid would be tough. Ladies gentlemen, let's pivot away from the NHL. Obviously, we're breaking big news. That's crazy to be in the game already. Look, look what's just happened.

No, I know. Exactly. Scary games. Sean's still dealing with. Sean's got a little fallout. Did we get to hear of Wemby talk after the game? There was no post. Nope.

You had to go to like French local media to find that. You can't understand. What's going on? I hope everything's all right over here. Me too. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now from the world of the NBA. A man who played a hundred years in the NBA. 22 years in the NBA.

Holy shit. It's a long time. 18 years, Eric Johnson. 22 years in the NBA. Ladies and gentlemen. Absolute Staling, Chris Paul. Yeah. How you doing, Chris?

What up, fellas? It's 21, Pat. 21. But I was always hoping for that next one, though, you know? Because that was my favorite Chris Paul year, the next year. It's how good he was going to be. Are you announcing something? Yeah, not mine. Okay, yeah, you're done.

I forgot about that. But you know what? There is another Chris Paul coming. Hey, Sports Center next. Put up a little highlight. I guess your kid won crazy this past weekend? Is that accurate? And, uh, ho-hoo's boy is going to be number one overall.

then hold on Rondo's kid right yeah he's in eighth grade Rondo's kid's in eighth grade how old is your boy and at what point did you know that he was going to be phenomenal of basketball and is it just kind of

have to happen with you guys like Rondo I think because he's point guard basketball IQ going to be crazy for you same thing with your kid how do you kind of judge like forcing him to play versus wanting to play versus you know all that type of shit Chris that has to be difficult

he's a sophomore he's sort of just going through its process. I think the coolest thing about being out on the circuit, especially with the EYBL, is getting to see all these different kids, right?

All the different kids of guys who I played against. Rondo's son, Pierre, super duper nice. All these kids, it's a gang of kids that aren't former players, kids, or whatnot,

but it's cool to get a chance to be there and see their process. Yeah, you've talked about these tournaments being filthy. This is AAU stuff here as somebody that didn't grow up in the basketball world. This is what AAU tournaments are.

And how many of these are there? Yeah, so in the YBL, you have four stops. This was Memphis this past weekend. And Kansas City is next weekend. Then we have a Vegas stop. And then you have Peach Jam, which is the biggest basketball, like, you grow, I mean, youth basketball tournament, there is, right? Augusta is known for the Masters and the Peach Jam.

Peach Jam is in Augusta, Georgia? In Augusta, Georgia. You should pull up. Kids would love to see you down there, Pat. Oh, absolutely. Speaking of pulling up, I mean, they're going to have to see that, too. Is it a 10 feet? I don't know.

You tell me. The elbow might be in just a little bit too far. I don't know where that ball going. In a hoop. Just wherever, just if you need to get eyes on my ball, look for the hoop. That's where it's better to, Chris. Okay, you know what I mean? Speaking of elbow, that shout to your kid, by the way, and you.

I know you put a lot of emphasis into that and a lot of time and effort and your finances into it to hopefully pass the baton to it. another generation of great hoopers. Let's talk about the next generation. Ladies and gentlemen, we've been debuting C.P.'s top three, which has been something that after we talk to him, we get a chance to kind of our takeaway of his big takes. His big take last night, I think one of them was,

hey, Wemby stepping in there and shooting that in overtime, down three, 20, 30 seconds left or whatever in the biggest moment, is something that I think you said you would have expected maybe. It's all the other shit that maybe is the thing that he had to work. on always been a great shooter. I think people forget that. And this is just a moment to showcase that. What's your takeaway of how Wembe performed last night in this moment in particular? Man, it was just fun to watch, tell you the truth. And to know him in the situation and the moment, Vic is a great shooter. Last year, he shot a lot of threes, a lot of threes. But now you just

get a chance to see the evolution of his game. He goes inside out the way he plays. And that's just trust. first of all he kicked it ahead to step castle step kicked it back to him and Vic likes those moments yeah okay so when he passes that back he thinks he's shooting that right there absolutely he didn't even think about okay so everybody on the floor knew that wemby was pulling that up right there you think yes yes especially for the spur everybody knew he was shooting oh that is awesome okay to have that um fortitude i will say i think a lot of people in this generation quickly judge, especially somebody when one of their first interviews we hear from him saying,

universe, we kind of see things the same way, and he's out there with monks, and he's, I don't like it. Big night for French-speaking folks, I will say, but he's also French, so I think there's a natural thing that kind of comes alongside of that. Hoopers and the way basketball is kind of evolving. I think a lot of people can kind of get lost and not really know that this guy's a certified killer, right? Always been that way, Chris? Is that kind of the thing that separates him as opposed to just being a seven foot five incredibly athletic guy in between the years this guy is a monster right i think that's what we need to talk about yeah yeah he he works at it so the things that he's one of those guys that if you tell him he's not that good at something he's going to go put the work on work in on it and get better at

it so if that was his physicality right because obviously you come into the league everybody talked about how light he was and people sort of push him here and there but he's seven five he got a lot stronger right we used to play with his back to the basket a lot and he's still does, but this play right here that they keep showing was so dope and all I could think about was Greg Popovich when I first got to San Antonio last year. And Popper would just always be on Vic about facing up, facing up, facing up first, triple threat, right? And you see how the game is just evolved and it just comes so easy to him now. Yeah, so he's a hard worker. Do you think watching SGA get the trophy last night was obviously something that he thought about? Maybe the check

The Chet story was seemingly something that was brewing online, and then they were showing throwback clips in the Algo. The Algo was showing me a 17-year-old Wemby taking on, I don't know, maybe a 17-year-old Chet Holmgren as well. If these two have been looking each other in the eyes since their kids, it seems like that is actually the case. How much of that do you think fed into what last night was? And I want to let you know, if you get a chance to chat with them, let him know that I think I respect how big of a, like, a petty, competitive dog he is that I knew last night he was going to go absolutely crazy and I bet on it and I want a lot of money

and the crown is seemingly starting to come my way the crown is seemingly I'm starting to cry I'm sorry Ronor Ozzie no problem I think this is what I'm going to start doing I'm betting on dogs only okay I need to know that they're absolute dogs that felt like a moment for him to like hey yeah right this this lot of buildup it felt like for Wembe

obviously to materialize all that and to execute is one thing but I think that fed him isn't that kind of like his competitive fire a personality trait that I don't think we're all kind of learning about in real time? Yeah, I think so. It was a cool interview that Vic Deer earlier in the season, and he was talking about how he shows his emotions. Like, he don't want to carry the burden of having to show his emotions. I think he does a great job with that. He just, he's hooping, he's having fun, and he's going to tell you, he's sort of going to show you. I was anybody who love this game, because you see some teams when there's an MVP ceremony,

Some teams go to the locker room. Some teams are not out there when that happens because they don't want to be a part of it. But Vic, somebody would tell you, I saw the video like everybody else. He didn't look or whatnot, but of course he understands the moment. And he's somebody that's always finding little things

to push him. Yeah, I'm excited to watch. He's going to play for another 20 years. We look this up. Okay, we look this up as people that are kind of outsiders of the NBA world. Feels like all the goat conversations that happened.

Like you play 20 years. 21 years? You thought you had 22, but just basic as 21 years? 21 might be up for question too, but that's neither here. All right, so we'll say, how many good, how many would you like to, how many meaty years? I'm mad, 21, man, we do it.

All right, 20, 20, 20, 20, 21, ethical. I'm not doing that. I'm not getting into that. But obviously, that is a real thing in basketball. It feels like you have to play a very long time. You have to give a long time to league. You have to be great for a very long time. Him at 7 foot 5.

It's hard to imagine that size of a body being able to. I think Jordan was like 15 years, 2 of them at Washington, 13. He was by far the least. I mean, LeBron, you go through him all, Kareem. They all played forever. Like everybody kind of plays forever. That's a part of the hooping lore, I think, during the conversation. 7'5, he works on everything.

I think that's going to be a marvel if he's able to maintain. actually just from what we understand about humans I haven't seen it ever it's like that would be a crazy thing if he was able to last long which it seems like all the goats of basketball are able to do Chris that would just be a crazy thing for us to watch I'm honestly not worried about the last in right playing for a long a long time in the league because his preparation the way he works the way he trains all the little details he's that competitive I got to tell it like when I got there, whether it's ping pong, whether it's chess, whether it's just shooting games after practice.

And he's like a student of the game. Like he watches everything constantly. And it's kind of crazy to see it all come together because I remember I went to go watch and play before he came to the NBA. And he was 7 foot 5 wing player. And he just keeps learning things throughout the years. And if you watch down the stretch of that game, the lives that Vic caught when Caruso was guarding him.

those are plays that he didn't used to do. He was just always on the perimeter. But now he realized that he can score in so many different ways. So hopefully he only gets better somehow. We're lucky to be a part of this. However long this run is, Mr. Vic Wenbin. Do you call him Vic? We all call him Wemby.

I think we'll stick with Wemby. If we meet him, bonjour, Vic, Jemapel Pat, you know. Do a fantastic. We'll certainly do that. But it is crazy that he's already being talked about as this is the, hey, this is the next generation of the NBA. It's a lot of weight.

I feel like he's ready for the world of it. But he's playing against a guy. He's already a back-to-back MVP. It's very abnormal. Go ahead, D. Bud. Yeah, Chris, I'm assuming this is one of your three as well. But SGA struggled in the first half, struggled down the stretch and really get going like we used to see him get going.

Had 12 assists, only four turnover. So I feel like it was pretty efficient there. What type of adjustments do you think SGA will make, you know, going in the next game? Man, I think one of the things that we talked about to Pat was just the coaching. Like, both teams are coaching. really well. Obviously, Shea's struggle or whatnot to score, but they've been here. They battle tested. They won the championship. They lost last year to Denver, I think, game one. So they'll go watch film and regroup. But Shea's seeing a double team every time he comes down to court.

He's going to see that every single game. You know, they load up. They're trying to make the other guys make shots, i.e. Caruso having 30 or something like that, but you're going to try to figure it out. Okay, so this was what we talked about with the Lakers too, right? J.J. Reddick was like being not dramatic. You didn't say dramatic, but like overdoing it maybe or something like that. He was not going to let the game record wreck the game. We have that in football as well. That is just kind of standard operating procedure amongst most winning organizations. Like, hey, we got to try to make them play left-handed. We got to get rid of their best player. SGA is obviously back-to-back MVP because he has been relatively successful against everybody.

It was it like 20 straight years of at least 20 points or whatever. How come it's different with some teams? Is it the Wembe factor that, you know, because they have had success against Oklahoma City all year, and has SGA gotten the same treatment from every team? Like, how do you think he, and follow up another one, if you want to explain this situation, are they picking and choosing who's open whenever they bring somebody?

Because that kind of happens in football. We got a Rob Peter to pay Paul somewhere. So somebody, like how do they, how do you think that all comes together with SGA? being able to respond, and what are they doing in the next game, you think,

to Oklahoma City? All right, you ask about six questions right there, Patrick. Hey, empty canvas, give the fucking answer,

Chris, all right? You're the fucking guy. 21 years. 21 years of experience. Go ahead. So, in the NBA,

we have hot guys and cold guys. Right? So hot guys, you actually don't help off of them as much. Cold guys, you full body help. But out here in this game,

no disrespect to a lot of these coaches in the league, but a lot of these coaches want to see how the game starts. And then they let the main guy get 20, 25 points. Then they be like, okay, we're going to get the ball out of his hands. Right. Like the elite teams and the really great coaches, as you can see, they be like, no, we're just not even going to let this guy get going. So when Shea comes down to court, if you watch, look at the wall that they're building

every single time down. Every single time down, their whole mindset is to not look. Look, they load it up. They load it up. They're just trying to make them see a wall. Shade has seen every cover that you could possibly see, but look at where Vicky is right there. Look at that.

That's hard to play against. But like I said, he's seen it before, and it's up to your teammates to make shots. Okay, and we had the other guys stat against the Lakers. The other guys on the Thunder went crazy. So obviously they were able to win while Shay was still getting double-teamed or eliminated or whatever. And I think against the Spurs, on Christmas,

I think Caruso did not have a great shooting day. And then last night has a phenomenal, nominal shooting night and it's like hold the phone now now will they continue to leave caruso open because it feels like they do decide like sGA has to find the open person right that is what he's doing crusoe had a lot of good looks and i think sGA had to make that decision in real time does he know who they're going to let free how does he know just from playing or is there like an indication that this is how they're going to play the entire game we in the the NFL have a first 15 where coaches are trying to get see how they'll line up against different

formations that they want to use. Okay, so first 15 want to be successful, but we want to see what the defense is doing against our shit. And then we're going to make adjustments at that after that. It's like a known thing in football. Same thing happening for SGA here whenever he takes on the spurs at the beginning of the game,

or how do you guys figure that all out? Well, you figure it out because it's usually pretty consistent throughout the season. The guys who shoot it better than others, and there's guys that don't, right? So probably most games, depending on who's on the court. Like if Jared McCain's on the court in Caruso, they're definitely going to leave Caruso open more than Jared McCain. So you're trying to figure that out on the fly as you go.

But it's like clockwork for sure. He knows he's going to see all these extra bodies when he get into the paint. And you just got to try to make the right decision. And then you also got to figure out when to be just a little bit more selfish on some place. Okay. That's whenever he just decides to take it. He did a couple times. took it to the rack and how long he held

on to it before letting it touch to the backboard because Wemby is like right behind him. You can just like feel him like get to get to get to get to get to get that. Shee dunk one last night. He drove the lane to dunked. He'll never duck. But that's because he knew that Vic was over there. Yeah, that one right there. He'll never

duck. But he had to because Vic was right there. I'm not going to let this ball even come close to getting volleyballed out of here, which he was certainly doing. The Wemby dunk in between Chet and Estuary. First of all, shout out to SGA going up. I mean, he's up there.

Those are two aliens. Great tweet. And SGA's right up in there. I mean, that was. Yeah, he ain't doing nothing up there. Crazy. All right, your last one that we thought had to be obviously mentioned that you were talking about. You already mentioned it kind of, the coaching master class.

Can you tell me about this a little bit about what we watch? I love the game. Look like both teams were making adjustments. Both teams were answering and responding. obviously the players do their thing. The coaching, though, I think a lot of us maybe just thought it was good, didn't really understand why it was good. Why was last night such a high level of basketball, you think, Chris?

First of all, the way these two teams play. It's just the coaching that gives them the confidence to play free. Like a kid like Dylan Harper, you don't come in as a rookie and make those different type plays if you're not being coached and motivated to just go play free and not worry about making mistakes. Obviously, Mark and OKC has those guys playing like that night in and night out, but playing for San Antonio last year and getting a chance to see the preparation that goes in every single day, right? Like Mike had been there with the guys at 8, 9 a.m. before practice going on all the ball movement and all this stuff like that. It's just, it's really dope to see it all come together.

I was watching the end of game plays that they were running. the out of bounds play right here. So if you watch Steph Castle, this is the funnest part for me in basketball and is to watch the plays and the execution. So Steph Castle screams and then he comes over here to Devon Vassil, and this is a slipout, right?

He's going like he's getting champ and he slips out. He's wide open, right? But it's also great coaching by OKC because they got Chet on the ball. And it's just timing. They don't hardly see the basket. So the inbound couldn't see that he was wide-ass open, so he threw it short instead of far side. He throws that far side.

That's probably tip in. Point seven seconds. Holy hell. We just ran a design play for this exact moment, executed, won the game. Yeah. And a lot of games come down to these situations. And some of the best coaches that I played for at the end of practice, yeah, look at that. You can't see nothing.

Dylan Harper is a tall guard. So imagine me when I used to have to do this. Oh, yeah. like him on coach, I don't see now. You got to do a lot of no look, huh? A lot of no look out of you, I assume. Where? Yeah.

You got to pass it with the grace of God. You just better hope. All right, let's talk about tonight as we hit the top three. Your thoughts on the East and how this thing's going to go. The Garden has been a marvel. I mean, just an absolute spectacle. New York feels like it's time for New York to maybe go on a full. championship run and the streets are going to be bananas and then the cavaliers

holy hell each one in there and just punked the pistons oh just pumped the motor city crew is that what motor city sports crew is that what the mids called you guys up there yeah that's what he said okay how should we be viewing this one and obviously jalen brunson in spitea is going to be a phenomenal matchup is that what we should be looking for and chris how do you kind of judge how this series goes is ogy back yes oh he's back um this is going to be a a good series. I think the game one would be interesting to see who sets the tone.

And I tell you, what's crazy is I played in the Western Conference my whole career. I never played for Eastern Conference team. So to now be out and watch the different games and see sort of the pace of the Western Conference. They said that all the time, like when I was in the league

is that it was sort of the Eastern Conference, you know, they just a little bit more grind the game out. Yeah, you guys are soft out there in the West Coast. Yeah, I understand. You call it what you want to. What do you call it what you want to? No, I think that's what they're.

I didn't know they said that until you just said that right now. But if I was a part of that time when people were talking, I assume what I would have said from Pittsburgh now in India. West Coast soft. We know that that's the case. Yeah, it's nice weather out there, though. Great guy. I say a Western Conference, not the West Coast.

Yeah, but we'll just, yeah, we'll just walk everybody in there together. And I'm sure. You're going to put everybody in there together, huh? Yeah, I'm sure everybody's going to be excited about me doing that. They understand. That's on them. Yeah, we're from the East. That's kind of how we operate.

You understand that. But you're saying the style of play over there on the East a little bit different, especially with these two teams? Yeah, I think so. It'll be a little bit slower pace. Jalen has the ball a lot of the times with the Knicks. And obviously, Donovan and James, James plays a little bit of a slower game for the most part.

So it's going to be interesting to see how this series starts off and how who guards, who sets the time. Tom. All right, we'll be excited for that. We'll catch up with you next time. Your kid beating hell out of you in basketball right now, yeah? No chance. No, I saw him shooting.

I saw him shooting. He's certainly, especially at 10th grade. I mean, he's getting to a. Oh, my God, and you're doing a fool, you know? You know what I'm saying? How old are you now? 41. Oh, he's definitely, I mean.

He said he's going to be able to beat me when I'm 42. Oh, okay. Still hasn't come yet, huh? How tall is it? Clock is ticking. No, it's not. How tall is he? Probably on my height now.

Oh, you're screwed. Oh, no, it's over. It is over. All right, well, good luck out there. Hey, let little Chris know. Go on. Go on, Ed. Give them buckets.

I love the fact that you're never going to let him win either. I mean, it is going to be. No. Yeah, no way. No. You're going to foul the hell out of them if it gets close. And that's... Damn right.

Damn right. Back him down. Yeah, absolutely. Face guard. Face him up. Face him up. Ladies and gentlemen, C.P.3, face up. Yeah, Chris. He's the man. Chris is awesome.

Yeah. He loves sport. Uh-huh. He loves the sport. Longer years. 21 years. 21 years and still. Drinking adult.

He's got these youth teams. Yeah. He's got these youth teams where he's invested like, I'm going to this tournament here. Obviously, his son's playing, but I think this was happening before as well. I think he's, like, very much invested in the future.

He was the NBA PA president or whatever. I mean, he loves ball. And these, like, it's ridiculous, like, how good these kids are now. Like, watching, like, when we were coming up eighth graders, you'll see, like, one or two, like, oh, wow. Like, you go to these tournaments or just watch them or even just going to a pickup. And you're like, oh, yeah, it's a 10th grade. He's got a few offers. He's got some D2 offers.

Like, these kids are ridiculous. Now, I can't imagine what those type of tournaments. At those games, similar body styles, garden similar body styles. Because, for instance, when I go play pickup for a large portion of my most recent life, if I'm playing pickup some reason, I'm like, you know, I'm going to do some cardio, play basketball. I haven't done this in a long time. I just go. I immediately, as soon as games about start, I start regretting it.

And then I try to find the laziest looking one on the other team. And I go right up to him, and I go, hey, three point line and three point line here. And yep, okay, cool. They'll be playing four and four. We'll kind of be living our own game here. We'll make shots. A couple of us will make some shots. We kind of got an agreement.

I'm trying to find like body, like-minded interval. That's been happening, I think, since I've been playing. Boy's Park basketball whenever I was. Growing up in youth, I think it happens when you're playing just one bucket take back. I think you're trying to fight. I mean, since the beginning of time, like-bodied people or guarding people. I mean, we have it here, right? This is the first time really.

Yes. Yeah. This would be the time that you could say. People are going to judge Chet for this. Big time. People are judging him. And Wembe wants it all, because when he was 17 years old, he lost the USA in the fucking worlds. Yeah.

He fought out. Especially if you're not going to take on that assignment. Or maybe the coach said, hey, you do something else. You got to be productive outside. Like, you got to have a 25 and 10 type game. But to just shit the band and game. That's game one. It should be a long series.

He's going to be picking up Webby full court next game. Every possession. There you go, check. You think we're... He should. If he's not considering it right now, he absolutely should. I loved watching Caruso go crazy. He's in some American, Italian-American Hall of Fame.

Remember he won some Super Pizzer on award. He can get going. People forget. He's been in a league a long time. They talk about those goats. I mean, Caruso having a night like that was fun. That was fun to watch. And then it got to a point where he knew, too.

He was almost Steph Curry in that. Oh, yeah. You know, and it was like, if he missed, it was abnormal. Will he continue to stay hot? Will they be able to get a dub over the aliens? We shall see. On the other side of the television last night was an NHL game. They went to overtime.

They were spectacular in Buffalo. The Blade Gang and the Sabres fans certainly brought it. A lot of Montreal fans, it felt like in the barn, but nonetheless, the environment was crazy. and Montreal Canadians have punched their ticket to the Eastern Conference Finals. Joining us now is a man who is quite a homer for Le Habibon. Yep.

Ladies and gentlemen, P.K. Subaugh. Yay! How are you, buddy? I'm great. I'm great. After the big win last night, couldn't be better. Okay, so a lot of people talking about non-biases and stuff like that, but hey, and a bull la la botan for Montreal punching their ticket.

Tell me about the pure joy, I assume your entire body felt. You were up there for game six. It was obviously a spectacular environment. We saw the arena packed out up there in Montreal, and it's a way game, obviously. The game's not being played there. It looks like it is filled as if it was the game's home. Tell me about this and why this is great for hockey in your eyes, P.K.

It's amazing for hockey because there's just so much history in Montreal. And, you know, we talk about the growth of the game in the United States, and it's exploding, you know, since the Olympics and Jack Hughes and all of that. But, you know, hockey is a religion in Montreal. And when it comes to playoff time, you can multiply it by a thousand. If it comes to this historic level of energy that's unmatched and to be a part of it, to witness it. I think it's amazing for the world to see what sports means to people in Montreal and what the Canadians mean. But, you know, it's no different than when you see the Yankees or any of these other teams.

It's just Montreal, the energy is just a little bit thicker. The pressure is a little bit thicker. And, you know, when you're talking about over 100 years of history and sports and culture and religion and all of that great stuff in Quebec, it's pretty spectacular to see in the playoffs what's going on. A sailable, Bonsois, L.A. Party. Okay. Yeah, that's me and Pierre Hood, we like to say that. Hey, and Pat, Pat, you know what? I got to say this to Buffalo Sabres fans, unbelievable.

I, you know, yeah, they definitely deserve it. There we go. They were unbelievable. All playoffs. They showed out. They showed up. You know, it was a long drought for them getting there,

but we want to see Buffalo back in the playoffs. That's a hell of a team, by the way. That is a wagon of a team that's coming. And Lindy Ruff did a great job. I thought all the players on that team, you know, it's not going to be on anybody's shoulders. They competed. This was just a hell of a series.

And it went to a team that got the last shot. And, you know, Alex New Hook, Stanley Cup experience having a hell of a run right now. Breakout season, really. But for this group, this is a special group in Montreal. Also a special group in Buffalo, though. I got to give them a lot of credit for how they battled this series. Yeah, it was a fun side.

Debutt didn't like us giving them like the, oh, sorry. I'm just here for him. I know that city's just kind of here. Booh Buffalo, they'll be fine. They're not called Boohoo Buffalo. That's what people call them? I have seen Boohoo Buffalo as well lately. No.

You saw to him boast that. I'm bullish on Buffalo. You should be booish because I believe Kleenex is moving their headquarters up there as well. No. That's the word on the street. With aloe? Uh-huh.

Oh, it's a good Kleenex. That is? Yeah, great. I've found now that I shave, I can't blow nose with Kleenex. I use paper towel because the little bristles. He got saw it off. And I walk out and I just got Kleenex all in my face.

Just go here. And with how my energy levels are, immediately. That guy's got cocaine on his face. I just blew my nose with a Kleenex. I'm so sorry. I shaved my face this first time I've ever done it. These are things I've got to think of. Yeah, so I'm going paper towel.

But on that, no, you're talking soft. You're talking about Kleenex. You're talking about crying. You're talking about sympathy, which is what we showed to Buffalo because they're such a good fan base. But boy, the sports gods just have not been very kind. Yeah, they have pooped.

But the sports gods were not that kind to Detroit, and then he sat in that tub of moonshine. Maybe we're right. Didn't they do that? What was it? The curse of Bobby Lane. What was it? It was a moonshine bathtub and yeah, whiskey.

And they made it all the way to the car. Yeah, did you know this, PK? So maybe. No. No. Yeah. Explain that. The curse of Bobby Lane was around since the 50s.

And then we had Peyton Manning and Jeff Daniels in a bathtub of whiskey and it abolished the curse. We won a playoff game for the first time in my lifetime. So on the, wow. Yeah. So Buffalo might be doing this rate. now in their own way. We know they got a lot of whiskey, we know they go a lot of tables.

They brought in those big ass bison. Yeah. That might be the curse lifter. Wow. The bison have come in and scared them out of there. If they would have had little tiny baby bison's, that curse. Yeah. We'll see. Typically the football gods don't love when you fire a coach who wins 12 to 14 games a year.

That's a good point. We'll see. It's a good point. All right. Okay. Yeah, very valid. We'll see. Let's stay in the East here, Montreal, your team, that you are not showing any bias towards at all as you're going shirtless with their fans before one of the game six, which is obviously great. I'm sure Savers fans are really happy to watch that on their television as their team was continuing to build. And like you, I love the Sabers fans in Buffalo fans. Hopefully they have success. I'm also happy for the Caneacs down there in Raleigh.

That place is awesome. That place has been electrifying. Their team has been on a break for a year. Like people forget that they even exist right now with everything going on, not only in the NHL playoffs but also the NBA playoffs. Feels like they've been a forgotten bunch almost. What are your thoughts on Carolina coming out of this long break? And how's the matchup with Montreouille? Well, in talking at the desk yesterday night, Messier, you know, had mentioned about the 11 days off or whatever time that they've been off before they play their first game.

And he remembered in one of his playoff runs where they had time off and they were, it proved to pay off dividends in the playoff run. Now, I think it's a really long wait, but it is going to pay off in some ways as the series goes on. But you also run into the issue of potentially starting the series late. You know, you can't mimic two game sevens like Montreal just went through. You know, the other side of it is, okay, well, Montreal, they've just played two game sevens. Is this a tired group?

Is this a banged up group? All questions that we're going to see. as the series starts. But one thing's for sure. I do believe that playing in seven, two game sevens in the playoffs in the first two rounds against the Tampa Bay Lightning and obviously the Buffalo Sabres, which are two teams that have been really, really competitive all year, has been great for this group. You know, Caden Gouley, who made the big play on the first.

He's just rounding out his game. He missed a lot of time this season. You know, obviously we're seeing the chemistry now with the depth scoring and Bull Duke and different players stepping up. Obviously, New Hook is a guy that, you know, people probably didn't think offensively would explode this way in the playoffs, but you still got Demadov. You got Cole Cofield, who's a 50 goal score.

This is a group that's galvanized right now by the energy that Montreal and the community and the fan base is providing them right now. They're riding a wave that can't be mimicked by X's and O's or even the players that are that you can have on your roster. I think it's the energy in which they've, create the culture that they've created in that locker room. This is a tight group that believes in each other. And, you know, they got outplayed last night for the majority of that game.

Like, Pat, it was, like, very similar to Team USA and Team Canada. It was the same thing. And, like, you could, people talk about analytics. I don't want to hear about the analytics. Take that and toss it out the window. The best player on the ice and the most important player is the goaltender. He's on the ice for the most time. Dovish was the best player in this series,

and that's all they needed. Just like Team USA, Hallibuck was the best player on the ice. Well, they ended up winning the gold medal. They were outplayed. They were out-chanced by Team Canada. Same thing in this game. Montreal was out-chanced and out-played, but they had the best player on the ice,

and that was their goaltender. So, you know, listen, we call it hockey, but you could call the sport goaltending, because if you don't have a goaltender, you ain't going anywhere. Hockey's a better name, but I do appreciate the metaphor in everything that you're saying.

I do appreciate that. He was interviewed afterwards about something about 40 games, and he said, oh, I can play another 40 games. Feels like he is in his own. We've seen this before, obviously, whenever it comes to playoff runs and a goalie going crazy. On that note, Connor has a quick question for you. Yeah, PK, to that point with Carolina,

the hottest goalie in the playoffs, it felt like was Freddie Anderson, but now he's been not on his ass, but he hasn't been playing for about two weeks. Is there a way to kind of carry that on for Carolina? Is this kind of like Freddie Anderson's confident, but he's not as hot as he was? How does this entire thing work when it comes to him and the panther, or excuse me, the hurricane staying hot?

Well, a great example is, you know, and not to take us out of the playoffs, but Sidney Crosby goes to the world championships to play. And I'm saying it again, we know he's a leader. We know that he's all team Canada. He's all captain and all of that. But it's also has to do with where he's at in his career. He's got to keep playing. And I always think that at this time of the year, when you have those big gaps, the intensity and the attention, look, Montreal couldn't. break a puck out of their zone.

So if you're sitting off for 11 days, you're stepping into a conference final with a team that's been playing that type of competitive hockey, I think there's got to be an adjustment period. And the team that's better prepared for that, you know, right now, I like Montreal with their youth and their energy. These are all young players. They got a couple veterans, but these guys are young, right? Demadov's young, Cole Cofiel's young, Suzuki's young, Lane Hudson's young.

So, you know, when I look at that group, I think they can ride that way. For Carolina, it's going to be slaving defensively. Sebastian Aho now is going to get a little bit more time and space. Remember, this becomes more of a skill series. So look out for Aho. Look out for Seth Jarvis. Yep, those guys, I know we're going to get some more ice in this series. So I look for those guys to explode.

Listen, game one is going to be tough for Montreal to win. It's going to be a very, very difficult game for them to win, considering the energy and what they're up against. but I'm just so looking forward to these teams getting after it. I really am. Okay, me too. Let's go to the – see, I like Montreal in game one. Wow.

Me personally. You forgot. Maybe. Okay, Pat. Hold on, Pat. Maybe. Are Jarvie's boys going to be watching? Yeah, who's doing the Manitoba?

Are the Manitoba boys coming through? I hope so. I hope they're going to be there. I'd like to think so. If your buddy's playing in the conference final, you've got to show up. But I have a question for you. guys because there's a lot of question marks around whether montreal should start dovish for game one or rest them and maybe play another goaltender now no no hold on well exactly that's what i'm

saying i'm saying no this time of the year if i'm dovish if i'm putting myself in his shoes and and marty st louis for a second right i'm just playing coach for a second like how can you honestly go to your goaltender and say hey dude you know what thanks for the first two rounds we're going to rest you though we're going to give this guy the net like i don't know how you can do that so i think exactly they got to ride this wave and you got to play these guys they're a young group this is why i picked them remember they're only halfway there you need to have young legs to win the staley cup just to get there you got to have the young legs they got the legs to do it they got the skill and the talent to do it they're up against probably the best forechecking team that i've seen in a long

time in the National Hockey League, those young players in their experience is going to be put to the test in this series. That could be the difference, right? That could be the difference. Yeah, it could be that. You know, it is a game of attrition, who can last? Actually, it just came out to a couple people from Mannheim had broken necks. That is the difference of hockey. Drew Livingstone, producing Drew, I guess he's Goev. Since 2000, teams that come off a game seven victory are seven and one in a series against a team coming off of a week. That's what I'm saying. I think hockey's a rust situation. Oh, yeah. as opposed to a rest situation, especially playoff hockey.

I think you're flying around. And these games every other night. I mean, it was like a... Adrenaline, man. adrenaline. But I'm saying it's like a routine. I think the... Them sweeping two straight.

It's like long layoff, long layoff. Now, obviously, they were able to sweep coming off a sweep. So maybe they're able to handle it more than everybody else. But you watch that game last night. It's like, okay, so a team that has just been trying to do that in practice is going to have to show up for that. I think the first one is where I think Carolina maybe gets, the skates back.

I might be completely wrong. I might be completely wrong. They haven't lost. I think you're right, Pat, but there is the one X factor Carolina has is Rod Brindamore. He's the kind of coach that may be able to rally a group of guys who haven't played in 11 days to come out and skate through a wall for 60 minutes. And for a cany-X.

I mean, they'll do it for the cany-X too. I mean, for Pat, hold on. Pat, like, for me, my concern is someone who obviously wants to see Montreal win this, my concern is Montreal sat back for the whole game. Like they sat back for three. You cannot do that. Like, you know, they win the game last night in overtime on a broken play. And they find a way to get it done.

But to me, I look at Tampa Bay and I look at Buffalo. There were lulls in those series where they just tilted the ice on them. And I just, you know, I go back to when I got called up in the playoffs when Yaroslav Halak went on that crazy run. And that's how I see it. You know, he was playing out of his mind. They're putting his name on stop signs. And we're getting Mike Camilleri's scoring every time he shoots the puck. And it's a similar thing.

And it's like, when I'm watching hockey, I'm like, how does this translate? And they're just finding ways to do it. I don't know if you can sit back and withstand Carolina's Ford Check over and over and over again all game. So I got to see what Marty St. Louis is going to change and what adjustments he's going to make to get them out of their zone. They got to come out of their zone more connected. and playing with the puck. They're just not going to last in this series if they don't. Excited to see the Carolina Hurricanes back on the ice.

And obviously in the West, that tips are – puck drops tomorrow. Yeah. I can't wait to see the avalanche, who everybody's saying might be the best team in the history of hockey. This team might be the ones. Minnesota was able to obviously get a win in the series against them, but they would have come through completely unscathed through the playoffs,

and they're taking on a team that's been here before. The Vegas Golden Knights, fresh off a news break, Dee Bud. Yeah, we did have some news breaks this morning. from Pat, and I want you to see the newsbreak. Obviously, you were aware of it. I want your reaction because you've been a member of the media for a long time. Obviously, you were a player for a long time.

What's your thoughts on this? I'm not as familiar with the NHL draft, but a second round pick. I'm sure some pretty great players have come. What's your thoughts on this? All right. It's a massive fine. Listen, a second round pick. Forget the $100,000.

You'll pay that, but the second round pick, you don't know what that could be. So that's a valuable pick, especially with everything in the game now, the cap, and how difficult it is to get young, good prospects. The top pick in the first or second round is a huge loss. So I'm not sure what happened, guys, with this and where this was kind of confused or misled or what happened. But that's a big pick to lose. It is. That one hurts.

Well, P.K, I'll keep you updated on all the NHL news. says I become an insider in this particular league that we all love so much. You've done a great job all playoffs. Good luck to you and the Canadians. And maybe we'll see you soon. You're the best. Okay. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Pat. Lake Zas. P.K. Hey, boys. Yeah, P.K.

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Yeah. Go absolutely crazy in Oklahoma City as Wembe not only showcases in the paint, but obviously incredible range looking like Steph Curry as he leads the San Antonio Spurs to a one-0 series lead after going into the champion's house the MVP's house in stealing a game one dub what will the response be from the thunder the thunder fan showed up in a big way it felt like I was there felt like I was having a good time to RICO crossover reggie Miller on the call felt like everything was perfect and stupendous and what we saw was maybe the next 20 years of the NBA play out in front of us man who's seven foot five and he'd do

at all. A man who wants the moment, lives for the moment, and walks into Oklahoma City and says, hey, you know what? I'm by sick of the whole MVP party you're having for somebody that is in me. Bonjour, sava, ass, porto. That's French. Yep. He wasn't the only French person that had a great time last night. No, he wasn't. Montreal Canadians. Congratulations to the L'Azabaton. Yeah, Le Habitaton. L'A ha'clock out there. They absolutely crush it, get a win in overtime in Buffalo. Sabres fans and Buffalo people in general, Buffaloans, if you will, who we have a very,

very high regard for. Yeah. Another heartbreak. Another heartbreak. Just another heartbreak for their sports fans up there. Their indoor lacrosse team, really good. Sure. The Buffalo Rockers, you remember them? Yeah. The Buffalo soldiers. Buffalo bandits.

They still do it? They still do it? We're not doing that. Oh my God, that kind of went too easily together there. Because I think if we were to put a little time into that particular rhythm, I think we could think of something for the heartbreak that Buffalo sports fans have had to soldier through for sure. And what we would like to say to Western New York is go on, fans.

Good job, fans. Remember, winter just ended, well, sorry, winter's about to end for you guys. The sun's coming in like a month or so. Come on, everything's good. New stadium? New stadium coming? Beautiful. I mean, but we didn't close it off so we can't have winter things, you know, but we'll cover a lot of bit because we want to still experience Buffalo.

The lake life up there is going to be great. I mean, everything's coming around in corn. The sun will be coming out in about a month or so up there, and then everything's going to be fantastic. Then we're right into football season. That's right. And then that's going to go good. Joe Brady. That's going to go great.

Still of Josh Allen. Yeah, we'll see. Last night was an indicator. See, a five and nine's coming probably after that. Last night was an indicator that everything's about to crash. The old habit. of the buffaloan sports are about to end. It's dawning of a nude day.

We just had to have our heart broke one last time. Game seven, overtime, at home, one that we scratched and clawed our way back into, and then devastation, as the French people that are speaking in your barn get to celebrate all over your city, their city, and punch their ticket to the Eastern Conference finals.

This was the final thing that the Buffaloans had to go through. This fall, whole new era for the Buffaloans. Congratulations. guys, Sal, Potchio, things are coming good up there. Vermont, y'all.

Peace and peace. Sal Caposio's no longer going to be the... What? The Buffalo Bills kicked his ass to the... See, I don't know if that was the case. Let's just say Salcapaio. That can't be true. That's not true.

Yeah. That's not true. You guys are made his... In Toxic, Tampa. Man. They're making up. One half of the hammer. Dad.

Cowboys. Tridiculous, man. Right, joining us now. Best employee. I don't think they're making it up. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us, it sounds like I missed something and I don't like it.

I can already tell I don't like it. Hate it. But I don't want to keep doing it at all. I would like to move on from this, okay? Spaceships don't come equipped with rearview mirrors. They dip. And if we're talking about what you're talking about right there,

I need to get that behind me and never talk about that again. I can't live in that world. Where Paisan isn't doing his thing on the drums? Well, I didn't say that because he may be going on tour with like Luke Combs or something, playing the drums or something and playing the drums. He shouldn't be.

Or the peppers. Yeah, we don't know. They took his microphone. The red hot chili ones? Yeah. I don't think so. They got a drummer, I think. Red hot,

who's on Saturday in a lot of things. All right. Joining us now, ladies of gentlemen, man that might have the answers, actually, college football national champions, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies of gentlemen, AJ Hawke.

Yeah. Oh, fuck's going on. Have you heard? I mean, the only way Sal's not in Buffalo is, he had to get recruited away from some giant national show. I would assume, right? That's the only way he's gone.

I don't know. To be honest, This is all kind of being thrown on me pretty quickly here in the last. He's doing a wheel of fortune? Is he taking over for Crest? It was a long wheel of fortune. I'm pretty sure Beano told him to get the hell out of time. But again, I'm not sure if that's exactly what is.

Okay, we love Sal. We love Buffalo audience. It's a hard time right now. We're kind of piling on, which you didn't want to do earlier. No. You talked about not wanting to pile on. But, yeah, I mean, maybe there was a national gig that opened up for Sal. I hope that's case, but we do know he loves Buffalo.

Congrats to Montreal. Let's talk a little college football news, shall we? interesting development in the Brendan Sorsby case. Okay, as you know, Sorsby has entered himself into a rehab down wherever. I don't know where it is. We assume somewhere in the South, but we're not 100% sure,

because of a gambling addiction that was reported, and then the NCAA found out about Texas Tech had already, did Texas Tech know whenever they signed him through the transfer portal as he was the number one quarterback, basically in Transfer Portal, and Texas Tech has great investment behind all of its sports, including its football and they pay this money. How much? It all kind of got thrown on us quick.

There's been an update in the case. I guess there is a deadline that has been placed June 22nd or something like that for the supplemental draft. So there is a deadline. And Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Sorsby has filed for an injunction against the NCAA, seeking his college's eligibility. It cites a wholesale abandonment of its obligations and duties to promote the well-being of Sorsby.

Now, there was a lot of other information that was coming out about local judge that would be handling this particular case. Something just happened down in Ole Miss with Trinidad Chamblis. There's a lot of this, too, in Mississippi, kind of happened, right? This feels like what the NCAA is most scared about. The NCAA, anytime you listen to him and talk, basically says, we can't do anything because we'll just get sued. Everything we do, we get sued.

So we need government to give us power to be able to make rulings so that we don't, we have some sort of say because everything we do, we just basically get sued. seemingly how Charlie Baker was phrasing when he was talking to us when we were asking him about other issues as opposed to these particular issues that are currently happening. That is kind of what's taking place. And this is happening in courtroom in Lubbock, Texas, right? Because that's where he is. Yep. Yep. Okay. So now obviously everything gets called into question, which is certainly going to be the conversation. But this does seem like a pretty big precedential move here for the NCAA and for football.

Because it feels like, and this might just be, you know, narrative building here by sides, which will certainly happen publicly. I think they're trying to showcase what is possible whenever the guy's hobby is gambling. Okay, like this was this guy's actual hobby. He was bet on, like, Turkish soccer at like 9 a.m., like five bucks on it. Like, it felt like this became an actual addiction, like a thing that he was just doing on a regular basis. And now they're trying to figure out or determine publicly,

like, should this guy's football career be ruined because he was doing all this? And they're like, well, he did bet on Indiana when he was on the team. And they were like, well, he's come out and said that it made him feel more part of the team. because he wasn't doing shit for the team. It weren't good then. Yeah, so that was like his angle coming out. So now it's like an interesting thing about empathy for the situation while still having rules that are from a different time.

While we certainly are going to have a lot more of these types of situations in the future, so we're setting precedent, it's a, this is a wild case. We have Thamwell joining us in about 30 minutes or so, but it's a wild case. It's a wild situation, because when you break it down and think about it, you cannot set the precedent where it's like, where it's okay, where you don't miss, for betting on your own team, even if it's for them to win, even if you weren't playing, whatever, you can't be betting on your own sport.

I think everyone agrees with that just because of how big betting is now and how big athletics are now. The whole same sport thing, same team thing, you just can't have it. But then when you get in trouble for it, you file an injunction against the NCAA in the hometown of where the college plays, and then you get a hometown judge. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh, I was stating facts. I didn't say that the hometown judge was a Texas Tech fan or anything like that. I did not say any of that. When they put on the robe, I learned this from Judge Judy. Yeah. When you put on the robe,

you don't think about what football things are. I agree. You think about the core of law that you are. I agree. You're not a human anymore. No, you put the robe on, get that gavel,

and all the second, guess you are representative of precedent. That's about the test. As you should. So there ain't going to be any. It seems like you were kind of. I was just stating facts of what the situation is in this case and have been in others. We were just about to show maybe a picture here. We should not do that until we like Pete Tham will lead us to that photo.

Okay, we will not do that. Is it the judge? You don't know. We don't know. We don't know anything. The internet's doing it. A lot of research happening right now on who's doing what around here. And all of a sudden, I got a little bit of a change of tune.

I think Sorsby's going to be good for this Texas Tech team. Yeah. And I think this is going to be a good story. I think it's going to be a good story for others to learn from. Like, hey. Wow. That's quite the turn. Have you been reading what I'm?

Unless Pete comes in and tells me something vastly different. Just, I think, you know, a lot of people think, like, maybe we're a shallow bunch. You know, the people that don't really listen to us, they might think we're a shallow bunch. Sure. I don't think that's the case. I think we just judge things differently. I like to read the humans in the situation before any. anything else. Like in Wemby last night, the human, hey, that guy's got to watch SGA.

That's what I'm worried. I didn't worry about double team in SGA as soon as he gets across half court. I love that information from Chris Ball. The way I'm viewing is how humans are going to act probably just from my, I think, you know, sociology minor, you know, and how this whole thing kind of works and how humans operate and, you know, like the, just, I think that matters so much more than we give credit to. Oh, yeah. So like, immediately upon what I'm reading about this situation down here, I think humans are going to to act like humans here. And I think Swordsby's going to throw, I don't know, maybe 30 touchdown, 40 touchdowns.

Maybe. Wow. Now, unless Pete Thamble comes in and tells me a little different information than what I've been reading on the internet, it feels like, hey, hey, he's going to be down there. Does the sheer amount of bets that he plays, does that, does that, like, that comes into account, right, when they're making this decision? Like, hey, this guy, obviously, when they go back, they find out, I don't know how many thousands of bets he was making, right?

Like, does it matter? Does that have anything to do with it? Well, I think that is why him checking himself in. I believe. To the, hey, I got to break this from me, is a big deal, which is probably what they're saying. Are you looking out for the well-being of the player? Like, I reported myself, basically, for having this issue,

and then a big thing happened, you know? So that's certainly an angle. Yeah, this is the first, right? This is the first we're seeing of something like this. The thought of this happening, is this happening in Texas Tech Stadium, like the court case? Could be. Might be. Is it happening?

And the stadium is going to be full capacity. I mean, that's why is Patrick Mahomes on the, on the, The judge requested that he shows up in his pants and uniform and not like a suit. Mahomes is going to be a character witness. Because this would be precedent setting. And then let's say the rule for sours me. The NCAA appeals that the Supreme Court, now the Supreme Court be here in this case? Is that kind of how the whole process we got?

I don't know. Anytime courts get involved, it feels like we got a four or five year process. But then Schaefter was reporting because at the beginning of the reporting of the situation for the supplemental draft, there was a deadline. They're like, end of June needs to happen. Then it came out. The NFL was like, nah, actually. We can kind of make it work. We don't want to kind of put a deadline on anything. Then Schaefter yesterday comes back.

It's like, hey, June 22nd actually is the deadline for the supplemental draft if they were to do it. It's like Soresby would be very, very highly sought after in the supplemental draft streets. Now there has been precedent by the NFL to follow NCAA punishments for things that have happened in college versus what going to the NFL. I just, this is a, there's a lot on the line here. There's a lot on the line. And allegedly, we got an answer by June 22nd. That sounds completely abnormal. Court system, NCAA,

precedential thing, and we're going to have an answer in 30 days? Apparently. Okay. I don't know, con man. I don't know if that's going to be the case, but I'm excited to see how it all plays out. And I also don't know if the 10,000 bets hurts or helps him

because like 10,000 makes it seem like, okay, this is a genuine problem. This isn't, you know, a hundred massive, massive bets. Like we've seen in the past, I believe Calvin Ridley, when he got in trouble, he placed like two or three huge bets and they were parley's but clearly that wasn't like a gambling problem. It was more so like that was where across the line he is clearly betting on games where he might have information. He served his year and he's back and you know it's great. But with Sorsby it does feel a little different where it was him on a bad team losing bets on a bad team. And then also placing like you mentioned, you know, Turkish soccer 10,000 plus like that is a problem.

I know Kayshawn Booty, who's a star for the Patriots now, he had a problem in college, and he opened up about it in a Players Tribune article. And it sounded very similar to Sorstby. So, like, you think about that situation, Booty who, you know, lost a lot of, you know, potential money, potential, you know, draft stock in his situation in LSU didn't ruin his entire life. He earned his way back. And now, you know, he's eligible to hopefully get a big deal in the NFL. And is that situation more similar to this?

That's how it feels, at least from the outside. Yeah, just as the tide has turned over the last couple days, it feels like as the appeal and dates have been placed in there, we will certainly continue to follow along. Pete Thammel will be joining us in about 15 minutes with more on story. Let's go back to the NBA, obviously gigantic night last night to Goliaths battle in the Western Conference. The hype lived up to the game.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, NBA champion in front of the program, Miamen Schumper. Yay, Ma'am! Whoa! What's up, my guys? Whoa, where are you? Where are you at? It's the ESPN, baby. You know what I'm saying? I got to get a little shout out. ESPN, baby.

I appreciate you putting that in there behind you for us. Thank you for doing that. You're the man, Emon. Okay, last night was, we started the show by saying, if Adam Silver was to create a Western Conference game one in a lab, it would be last night. Just what's your takeaway? And what is the conversation about the state of basketball with these two teams in the West, just strictly? but Wembe for what the next 10 years of this?

Is this where we're looking at it? What a special night for hoops it felt like, Eamont. Yeah, again, this is the matchup that we were all promised as basketball fans. The teams don't seem to like each other. There's chips on shoulders. I don't think Wemby liked seeing SGA hoist up his second MVP trophy. I don't think Wemby took well to them putting Caruso on him toward the end of the game to be an answer.

I just everything about this matchup, Stefan Castle, getting the dunk and staring SGA down, everything about it entices the NBA to one play harder. But for that 48 minutes that we all talk about, we want them to hate each other. They gave us that. You know what I'm saying? As basketball fans, I think we're all sitting here with a smile. OKC just now has to, you know, they're going to have to go into Senate, one, they're going to have to take care of home court next game. But they're definitely going to have to go into San Antonio and steal one.

So we're going to see what they made of. Perkins said something hilarious last night about sending his kids to them monks. Okay, him and his wife were talking about sending his kids to them monks because he would like to know whatever the hell they said to Wembe. But he just seems like a different creature out there, AJ. Go ahead, pal. Yeah, he doesn't. I'm wondering, what is this OKC team going to do, I guess, defensively you think, in game two?

Are they going to switch it up? Are we going to see Chet on Wembe? Like, what are they going to do? Oh, we better? We better see Chet guard Wimby. I'm not sure why Chet wasn't guard in Wemby. I'm not sure why when the overtimes came. Chet didn't look at his coach and say,

hey, man, I love you to death. I get the game playing. That's my matchup. At some point, you got to take the challenge because you saw in Wimby's eyes what he was going to do to the game. He was going to impose his will on the game. He was going to make it almost personal at the end.

And to see that and see Chet keep having to come off the weak side. I thought he put himself in a disadvantage. He had like seven of the ten points in, I forget what? There was something. He just absolutely. He just absolutely took over. There was a time late in that game where I thought, plus six and a half, we weren't going to cover.

Okay, there was a little bit of a... Dogs go to dying. It was very, I was very scared as we were going there. And it turns out a seven point win for Santoy. It's like every narrative that could potentially happen or every collapse that could have taken place or Wembe played good, but in the end, the championship pedigree of Oklahoma City won out at the end.

Like, who's going to make shots down the stretch? It's like, this Spurs team answered every single time. It was spectacular. In their average age, I guess, 22 and a half. They're like the youngest in a long time. Your thoughts on that, Eamon? Is that just an old soul crew down there because they've been through so much? Do you think the age thing does matter whenever you get to a certain point?

You know, I did think that there was a time in this game that I was going to have to say, wow, this is the part where experience takes over. It was the time at the end when they had to tie the bucket. And SGA brought the ball to the left side of the floor off of an Iverson-like cut. and then left Wemby in the corner to have to make the decision on would it be a three or a layup that they would take. Wimby stayed in the corner and I felt that they had figured out some sort of tilt to keep Wemby at bay to say you have to make a decision. You are no longer allowed to play defense in Rome. He likes to play Rover a lot of times where he's not really guarding anybody.

He's guarding everybody. Anybody that comes in his vicinity and anybody that's left open, he does a late contest on with it. being a high contest. I thought OKC finally pinpointed it and left him in the corner and to see the spurs take the challenge and just pressure defensively, get stops, get rebounds at the end, because a lot of those rebounds just got loose. It was a lot of 50-50 balls. They got all of those. I can't really point the finger at their age anymore. I think these are just ballers. These are guys that want to take the challenge. And they're guys that really don't care that they have the MVP over there. I can't stress that enough that when I look at Castle,

I look at, why can't I think of my other words, Dillardville. Dillahaw going out there, I just don't see guys that, I don't want to say they're disrespecting them, but they don't respect it enough to lay down. They're saying you're going to have to come beat us. We have the advantage over here. And anytime you believe that, again, to win, it takes a little bit of delusion.

They have it. Yeah, and it felt like through the season they had it as well. You know, it was like the New England Patriots, having to go up to Foxborough to play the New England Patriots. You lost the game before you even got there. The coaches did, players did, somebody did. And for this team, Spurs team, it feels like they're pissed off that people view Oklahoma City like that,

as opposed to them. I love it, man. Yeah. And that's what I love, I love, too. We don't talk enough about just the Spurs organization in general. The Spurs have been a great organization for a really long time. You saying the Patriots really made me think of that and hone in on it. Having popped around that culture, having, I know their coach is a winning coach,

but to have somebody like pop, a real pillar in this basketball world, to be able to lend advice, to be able to give guys encouragement and move the needle along while the playoffs are going, to have them prepared for these type of moments and these type of situations. You are seeing counterpunches being thrown by, they seem like veteran guards. It seems like Wimby is a veteran. But I think a lot of it is the coaching, the poise, the winning culture that's around, having Tim Duncan to lean on, having David Robinson around to lean on, being able to have those conversations calls for a winning mentality.

Coach Mitch Johnson leading the squad down there and obviously DAG over there in Oklahoma City. It has been, it was high-level basketball. It was fun to walk. That felt like game seven of the finals right there at Western Conference. Obviously, they were playing without a guy that we know. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Shump, no Deeran Fox. So that kind of almost helped them because it gives all these other guys the young dudes

that we're talking about, more confidence, more time to kind of get settled in the conference finals? What is your read on that? And do you think adding Deer and Fox will be kind of simple? Offense can do exactly what they just did? Or do you think that will change things up a bit just because the depth of OKC is incredible and that does seem to be a huge advantage for them, especially if each one of these games is going to go to double triple, who knows quadruple overtime? Well, if I'm OKC and I know that we just lost without them having Deerrin Fox, scared to death. I don't think that it was one of those things where you say maybe it worked out in our favor,

if you're the Spurs, saying it worked out in our favor that Deeran didn't play. It's like, no, they have been a three-headed monster this whole time. Sometimes it's two of them that get off. Sometimes all of them get off. Sometimes it's one of them that comes up big. It doesn't really matter. They rotate. They all play different speeds and they all do different things.

I think that, yeah, you had Dillard Harper at more of a rhythm. But Deeran Fox coming back does not change. things, it just forces now Dylan Harper to attack your second group, which is supposed to be OKC's better group. But if Dylan Harper now comes off the bench to attack that group, it's like, when do you get a break and a little bit of time off to get your breath together to get your bearings together to actually deal with Wemby? I'll tell you what, I'm excited to deal with Wemby for the next.

A hell of a ball club they put together. They got Harper. They change the rules because of this ball club. Yeah. We're not doing a stacked ones up again. We're not doing it. Look what they got down in San Antonio. And they'll be able to pay him more because they're all from there, right?

Yeah. And like the Duncan old school thing, like they all stayed together when like Monu, Tony and him probably could have split up. So if there's any place where all those guys will stay and take less money, it's the spurs. And it feels like Wemby Clear Star, but he's super humble. Yeah. You know, so everybody else around him is not going to grow to resent him, which could potentially happen. You saw that clip? This picture.

Yeah. Yeah, the whole side line kind of like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm up. Hey, we're on the Wemby jet, brother. Let's go ahead and good.

Yeah, that's always nice, though. It's always nice. It's always nice if you make it like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the thing, though. Like, we talked about it as just outsiders, non-hoopers. When Wembe got the San Antonio, yeah, I mean, this is awesome. This is gas the boy up, man.

Oh, my God. Hey, gas up the jet. Kelly Olinick pointing at him. Yeah, so Tom McMahon was a special teams coach for me at the Indianapolis he went on to the Raiders. I don't think he's there anymore. He's at the Broncos, whatever the case. Growing up, he, he grew up.

grew up on a horse farm, okay? And he had an entire mentality that shaped from his horse farm. He said, basically, my only job as a kid was to feed the stud, okay? Just make sure this guy, okay, the one that we need here is happy. So his entire narrative is if we have a stud returner, let's do everything we can to make this guy good. Vin and Terry, hey, let's just feed the stud here. Let's just get this out of the way. San Antonio has gotten to the point where it's like, hey, let's feed the stud here. Let's let Wembe kind of be the guy. Because when he first got there, kind of OGs around. He's going to have to. to prove that he can make in the NBA.

It's crazy when an organization just decides like, hey, we're going to go in what that can do for a guy, like what that can do for Wembe as he knows that this is my team, we go as I go, and the boys are all in. That's huge for the vibes. Huge for the vibe. And when those guys can feed the stud and then you still have every other starter

scoring in double figures and you have a couple guys scoring 20, like yeah, you're going to be tough to beat if you can continue that. Yeah, that's a bunker mentality, it seems like they got with an alien leading the entire way. Okay, let's go to the other series. obviously in the east that's going to be tipping off this evening. Go ahead, Debutt. Yeah, it seems like the Knicks kind of have a bunker mentality too if they've tapped into.

I want to know kind of what is clicked in your opinion for them because over the playoff so far, eight and two, like an over a 19 point winning margin when they run away with wins. So what is click with that squad? Well, I think that the game plan is now ruined for the whole NBA that they once had on the Knicks. We once had this narrative and this game plan to say, hey, we're just going to pressure Jaylen Brunson, we're going to make it really difficult for him. He'll wear himself out. And at the end of the game, if we don't give him an available pass, he'll just dribble, dribble, dribble, and they'll have to live with the results. You no longer can do that because now they're giving the ball to cat and then it becomes playmaking action. What it does is it creates less dribbles for Jalen Brunson. But you start to see Jalen Brunson is actually really good with cutting off of the ball, especially when he's aggressive with his cuts because he now knows he has a willing passer. Anthony Towns. I think that three-point shooting goes up because you now have to sink in. If Kat gives you a quick shot, fate, you now have to sink in when he makes a drive.

He's spraying out. You got a bunch of close-outs. Guys are attacking close-out. It makes the game totally different for them. So I think that's the biggest thing that's happened. Cat becoming a playmaker now ruins your whole scouting report. So if people have a new tilt that they can do against Kat up there at the top of the key and on the sideline running that pistol action, if they have an answer for that, then we'll start to see new adjustments. But that once game plan that used to ruin the Knicks hopes every time, it's out the window. Well, and also it feels like they're playing more players. Having the rest at this stage is obviously good for the New York Knicks.

I mean, what? It was like a year ago. I saw Jalen Brunson out over there in New York at the up fronts. They still haven't played a game since then. No. That was a long time ago. But their big thing against the Pacers is we ran their asses off the court. Like basically, we just ran them off court.

It wasn't a deep enough roster. I think the body. And now they're healthy. Healthy. O.G. They're healthy. And they're arrested. I mean, that's a good place to be.

If you get a buy week basically going into the conference finals, that had to be dream come true for you, Nick's fans, Bruce. Yeah, it is unbelievable. It's like night and day compared to especially 2024 where Randall was out. And once OG and his hammy went down, it was like, man, we actually only have five guys to play this game seven against the fathers at home. So yeah, it's a dream scenario. Obviously, everything could get full.

flipped on its head if you come out slow in game one and let the Cavs steal one here. But I'm so excited for the matchups across the board, Spita versus Bronson Burner, of course. But then on the inside, too, Mowgli and Jared Allen dealing with Mitch and Kat is going to be an absolute banger. And then we'll see who ends up on James Harden between Bridges, OG, and Josh Hart. But I'm so fired up for the series to get started. To wrap up this conversation, last question for Eamon from Ty. Yeah, Shump, I mean, you mentioned the rest, and obviously that's important, but, like, is there any worry that the Nix might be a little bit rusty?

I mean, we just saw, you know, the Cavs kind of have that really physical seven-game series with the Pistons. Is there any way that the Nix could replicate, you know, that type of physicality in practice? Like, is there any concern there that the Nix may just be a little bit too rusty? And the Cavs are coming in, you know, after a hard-fought seven-game series win, and, you know, they might have enough firepower to kind of just stay high. and go right from jump? I don't think there's any way to mimic fully what you have to deal with when you're dealing with Spider-Mitchell scoring in the array of ways that he scores. He's got a full palette as far as what you want to see out of a score.

But what I do know is that the rhythm of Donovan Mitchell and James Harden might be something to consider. If they are going to steal a game, I think it's going to have to be a game one against the Knicks, which is going to be tough in itself, just having to play in New York and deal with the energy of New York right now because I'm telling you now I'm here, it's warm outside, and Nick fans are born. But coming with that rhythm and knowing that they're coming with that rhythm and trying to jump on the Knicks early may be the biggest game plan that they can go with

if they're the Cavs because it's already hard to steal one on the road. But when the team's been sitting for that long, you try and catch them sleeping. You catch them if they're being sluggish or if they're just overly excited and just come out with a little too much energy, and you guys are already settled into a rhythm together and playing with one another and understanding where you can manufacture points and manufacture offense.

I think they could control pace a little bit more if they're conscious of it. But game one is the circled game for the calves. If they're going to steal one, it's going to have to be now because once the Knicks get rolling, we've seen what they could do. Did you say an array of ways?

That's a good bar. Yeah, an array of... Yeah, I mean, he just... Donovan, he got the little takeover, bring it over the top. He's going to shoot it from the outside. He wants to get downhill. He got the floater game.

It's just, it's hard to simulate all of that in practice. I just would hope that, you know, when the Knicks do come out, they understand though he's going to do his scoring, the key to guarding and dealing with the calves, is dealing with James Harden. A cluster of buckets from that guy. Yeah, he's all over the place. Dang, crazy.

Yeah, it is. It is absurd to see what he did. I mean, he hit six moves on there and then hit a step back three. And old buddy fell, it's like, good luck. I can't wait. And then James Hardin, huh? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Huh? Maybe. It's starting to come back. We'll see. It's starting to come back. When you're seeing James Hardin do that, and I like to see him, he's one of those guys that. It's similar to Joelle and B. When James Harden is animated, when he's the guy that you can see it in his eyes and he's engaged,

he's looking around at his teammates, he's making them smile, he's making them feel their confidence role. He's a different player. I think that when you can catch James Hardin with the big eyes and he's not as responsive to emotions or big moments in that. the game, not as many celebrations or slow-mo walk-off, so to speak, home run, walk-off, so to speak. When he's not doing that, I don't see him as locked in as he once was. I love it when I see James play with emotion, the three-point celebrations.

It instills confidence in his team that he has control. What does this mean, AJ? What's he doing when he does this? I don't know. What do you think he's doing? Somebody said stir fry or something. Is that a... I think it was sticking.

Brian, game seven. He was so bad. Jeez. Where's they? I'm talking about this. Hey, you're the man. We appreciate you, champ. I appreciate you.

Ladies of the gentleman, Monsh. Yeah, Monsh. You don't know what this means. What's everybody doing? Anybody know? They're going to go as far as Spider takes. He has an array of ways to get to.

I know AJ's probably seen him play in person a few times. I remember Hulkster guy, rest of the soul. And I asked him about him here. Smooth butter, dude. exactly what he said. You're right, you're right. He did like the way he played. He was wearing KD's shoes.

He was. What was your question? Man, I see you wearing Kevin Rachel. I didn't know you're a big NBA fan. What a great question. Rest of peace, yeah, rest of peace, officer. Joining us now, ladies or gentlemen,

is a man who might have a little bit more inside information on anything, including potentially. Yeah, hold you. What are you doing? Foxy, please. He's all right. sitting there, rest of peace, dude.

I'm wearing this for the rest of the show. Joining us now, I think you're going to have to maybe embody somebody else pretty soon. Joining us is the authority of college sports as a whole, certainly of college football from college game day. Ladies and gentlemen, from what appears to be a very nice place, good for him. He's earned it.

He has no ideas there. All he is is on his phone the entire time. Ladies and gentlemen, Pete Tam. Yay, Pete! Wow. Whoa. The Big Ten Pat did not hold their annual meetings at the Des Moines Airport Marriott. I can confirm.

Okay, that is unbelievable. So you're at the Big Ten annual league meeting right now, is that right? And what's happening there? I saw you guys are voting on a punt gimmick. Is that what I saw? Yeah, so you could really nerd out on this, Pat, because I know your affinity for the nuances of special teams, and I've learned a ton about special teams from you. There is a new punt rule.

I actually had a coach explained to me at the bar using, like, cups for everything. But it's basically an eligibility tackle guard away from the long snapper rule. and you're calling it up there. And in order to officiate the way this rule, which has been passed next year, like you would have to declare who your tackle guards that go adjacent to the snapper are, and then you'd have to change their numbers.

And actually, guys would have zip-up jerseys. So, you know, you stand outside. I've covered a lot of league meetings in my life. You stand outside league meetings. Hey, coaches walk out. Hey, what happened? What happened? Every coach was like, we spent 45 minutes on the punt rule.

And they were 18 and 0, and they hate this new punt rule. So, you know, being a diligent journalist, I went to the punting bow, who was Kirk Farrants and asked him about it yesterday. Kirk Farrant said it would be a clown show, and that is not a man who is prone to hyperbo. So there's a movement here to change this obscure, detailed, and I don't fully understand a punt rule, but there was conviction of that. So if you want to peak spring meetings topic, it's an obscure punt rule that's in the crosshairs right now. Okay, well, I appreciate. We'll see how they talk about it in the SEC meetings.

Yeah, well, I'll be excited to see what Sanky's thoughts are on having a zipper up new numbers. So I think there is an interesting thing that has happened. Obviously, the punt formation in college, most places, like 90% of the places, vastly different than the NFL. Obviously, the rules between the NFL punt and the college punter different. In the NFL, only two people are allowed to leave the line of scrimmage before ball is punted. Okay, so ball, everybody else has to pass set backwards, okay? Because they're only two, the outside people are the only two people that are

allowed to leave line of scrimmage to go cover before the ball gets punted. Normally about a 2.0 operation time from Saturday. So that's a two second delay. Only the gunner's able to go. In college, everybody's allowed to go. So everybody's allowed to leave line of scrimmage as soon as the ball is snapped. It's a wide open play. Go ahead and do that.

So the roll rugby type, Ozzie Rules football type punt happens because I already got people down the field. You roll to the right. You kill more time. Get the ball on the ground. You just steal it. Now, some teams had been putting in their offense, leaving their offense alignment on the field, sending in.

sending in obscure punter number in there, doing the formation and kind of a little trick them, boom, we're not punting at all, we're doing this, kind of in the disguise punting formation, where there are some rules differences as opposed to a tight formation. So it sounds like there was maybe somebody somewhere that didn't like the gimmickiness of potentially what was coming,

and so we've got to change this, especially with the rule numbers, we need to let people know. But it sounds like the coaches aren't those people. So who the hell would that be then? How does this happen? If the coaches are 100% against it, how is the rule getting anywhere near pass?

who's doing the ruling? So I was told last night that this rule change was basically bred from lazy officials who didn't like having to officiate the line of scrimmage and how guys are lying out. The sheets of a good rule change should not come from officials having a cumbersome process. Like, you know. It's not Vandervild. No, of course not. We know that's not Vanderveld.

Our guy, he's a big 12 official. They need to have him in the NFL. It sounds like they need to have him talking to the big. 10 refs. Okay, let's move away from the punting logistical stuff that you're doing from Paradise there with the Big Ten. Let's talk about a precedenting, present, presental case, I think. There's been others in the past, though. But this one feels like a real boiling point, potentially, for the state of sports gambling as a society, players on the field, and addiction that could potentially be helped, while also integrity of the game, all kind of coming

into one storyline with a future first round quarterback that was considered the number one quarterback in the transfer portal this year got paid a lot of money. Okay, so this is a huge ordeal. We have some developments, Pete. Could you tell us what they are? Because the way tone was kind of describing this is like, it's going to be down in her Lubbock. They're going to hold the court case in the stadium. Cody Campbell's actually going to be a part of it. Can you please tell me a little bit about what we've learned? And now there is a deadline, I guess, again, in June 22nd. How should we expect this kind of to go? because this is a very serious, very important thing that is kind of happening right in front of our eyes

for the future of sport. Yeah, in terms of on-field storylines, Pat, I don't think there's a bigger one than the status and eligibility of Brendan Sorsby between now and when he'd have to declare for the supplemental draft. He was the number one player in the Transfer Portal. He's a top 10 player in the sport.

He's a potential first-round pick. He could be a potential high supplemental NFL draft pick if he does go that way. But essentially, what happened yesterday was Sorsby's legal team filed a lawsuit, against the NCAA for a preliminary and then permanent injunction, which would allow him to play this year. And essentially, there was a lot of legal lease

in those documents yesterday, to distill this to what it is, is the NCAA actually hasn't declared anything about Brendan Sorsby yet. Tech has ruled him ineligible, and then he would have to go through an intricate reinstatement process. By the book, if you look at what the punishment would be

for what Brendan Sorsby has admitted to do, he would not be able to play college football ever again, like period. So what his team is doing now is looking for clarity from the NCAA. They offered in the legal documents. They said they offered a two-game suspension. He would come back. He would become the face of mental health for gambling. He would be an advocate.

He would go talk about this. And they essentially pitched the NCAA on allowing Brendan Sorsby to return and having him become the face of addictive sports gambling in the country, which is a very serious problem amongst young people. The NCAA has rejected that. the tenor of the NCAA statement in response to this lawsuit yesterday indicated basically that they're going to they are going to run this out they said look we haven't even ruled anything yet and you know they made it very clear that the integrity of the game as you have said many

times pat you and deba like it's it's critical right it's the most important thing fundamentally to athletics as we know it the integrity of the game so what sort of his legal team appears to want to be doing with this lawsuit is getting clarity will he be a able to play will he not be able to play they need to so it's a june 15th hearing is what they asked for in loveick and he would have to declare for the supplemental draft the legal documents say by june 22nd yeah you see adam obviously amplified amplified that notion of it so essentially if you if you if you cut through the legal lease it is a it is an attempt for clarity for decision making moving forward for brenda suhrsby um okay listen can you please can you please explain about where this court

This will happen in Lubbock, Texas, and the NCAA would travel down there, and Sorsby and his team, which has already pitched a resolution, would once again do that to the judge and say, hey, isn't this a fair thing, don't we all think? And then the NCAA would be forced in that moment by the judge or themselves as they're declaring whatever to make a decision on whether or not that's right. That's what they're trying to do here. So the injunction is pretty simple and clear what they want. They basically want to say that the NCAA should. have no jurisdiction over ruling on Brendan Sorsby and he would be eligible to play. Now, you are right, Pat, that this is unprecedented for a gambling case. We've seen this with Trinidad Chambleau. And we've seen it started actually in West Virginia with eligibility.

Like we have seen judges come in and declare and declare folks ineligible. Yeah, West Virginia actually basketball started this whole trend of being able to court in getting extra years. The difference is those were sort of pure eligibility plays, be they medical. red shirts or red shirts or time, you know, time in school. This case is drastically different because it is under the guys of gambling, which had been a fairly black and white issue. You know, think about Jameson Williams in the NFL, right?

Like he bet in the facility and he was immediately suspended. And there's been others, that one just kind of comes to mind first. And there was a case Iowa, Iowa State a few years back, where the guys who were caught gambling were punished severely. So if the NCAA were to, and we have no indication they're going to yet, but if they were to sort of negotiate something, which would be a. departure from how they normally operate in their enforcement process, that would clearly be a drastic change from how they've operated in the past. I'm not saying they will or won't do it.

It would just be a departure. I think I've said this on your show. For Brendan Soresby to play college football in 2026, something seismic would have to happen. Because if he just like played out his NCAA case, you know, precedent would tell us he doesn't have much of a chance. So is an injunction that seismic? How would the NCAA, the Big 12, and others respond to that injunction? Could they do anything legally? Like in the Chambliss case, for example, in other eligibility cases, the judges have made clear, like, you cannot, you know, you cannot put any barriers to. This is, this is, I am ruling this, and this is what's going to happen.

Will that happen in Lubbock, Texas? It's probably a little too early to say, but certainly there is a home game element of this. They didn't file it in, you know, state court in Dallas, right? So, I mean, I do think there is some, there is some well, well-marked cynicism there. Do we know who the judge would be at this point? Like the internet's posting photos of the judge. We don't want to put it up. Oh, wow, whoa.

Is that the judge? Do we know if that's the judge? I have not done the judge legwork if I'm being very honest. Don't trust. I would be surprised. That's not really. If any of the judges were... If any of the judges were not Texas Tech graduates, I'd be pretty surprised in Lubbock.

Just like if this was in Birmingham, they'd all probably, you know, there would be a lot of Alabama judges. It was, you know, you can just pick the state in the area. Yeah, they could, yeah, I don't know if you have to be as a law school. I think they have a med school. Actually, you're wrong. The doctors, yes, you need a surgery down there? Yeah, maybe.

Funny enough. If we're going to law, though, pal, that's Alabama. I don't know. Just going to double check. A kid from plum, actually, graduated from Alabama. Dallas Allen. Law. He's a pizza maker?

Yep. A baby boy. Alabama's got a great pizza school. Good luck out there in paradise. Lies you have a pizza table. Yeah, me. Something seismic would have to take place for him to be able to play. Shoresby's case is certainly a quagmire for a lot of parties.

It is. How about him sitting? Wouldn't it be, sorry, it's kind of seismic that the judge could possibly be doing the old, doing the old celebration with the mascot of the team with the player. We don't know if that's. I'm not saying that's real, but that would be quite shysmick, wouldn't it? That would be shizmick. I do believe that would be shysmick.

Let's pivot away from shysmick moves in a courtroom for Brendan Shores. which is potentially an NFL supplemental draft guy as well. We have no idea what his future holds. What we do know is the future is very bright for a man. It's about to join us. This guy's an American hero. Okay? We saw him.

Yep. Guy ate his stick. Yeah. Lost his teeth. Came back. Beat Canada. Gave us all gold medal. Thank God we have this man.

New Jersey's devil, star, and also hockey legend forever. Jackie Hughes. Yay. Look at those teeth. Wow. Holy hell. Where'd you get those? We're back, boys.

At a spot in New York. We're back. We're back in action. Did you have to make a lot of decisions on what the new mouth looks like? Did you think about potentially drawing in what it did look like, like maybe get a tattoo on your teeth? So that we can always remember it. What a moment. Thank you for everything.

Congrats on the new teeth. How's the offseason going? Because obviously the Olympics was right in the middle of your. your season. We talked to you just a couple days after the gold medal win at the combine, and you were coming from a game already, and you're heading to another game. You never really got to settle in. Have you gotten a chance to look back on the incredible run that this year was for you, and where are you at right now in life, if you will, Jack Hughes? Yeah, just been, you know, obviously with how everything happened, happened so fast. And then now's been a great time

just to, you know, debrief it all and just hang out and enjoy my life. So, after the season, you know, it's a good time to just get away, I feel like, and debrief. I like you're a wires guy. Yep. Trying to save the brain. Yeah, of blue tooth. Yeah, he'll eat a stick. I fell for that trap, boys.

AJ didn't fall for that trap. AJ's got the Bluetooth on. Aaron's been telling me that for years. Jack, you're the best. How old are you again, Jack? Just turned 25. Okay, so the future of the league is obviously very bright. Whenever you're watching these playoffs, are you keeping up with the playoffs from your enjoyment of life right now, yes?

Yeah, I'm keeping up pretty good. I was watching, you know, obviously all the games in Minnesota mostly because Quinn just got knocked out. But I feel like when I'm, like, sitting at home and the game's on, I feel bad if I'm not watching it. Because, you know, as a fan, like, I do love watching the game and obviously the playoffs are the best. Okay, so let's talk about hockey showing up in a big way. Last night, Game 7, huge. So I don't know if you know this. NBA game seven the night before

in Detroit, Cleveland Cavaliers just beat the hell out of the Pistons. I saw it. It was like a 40 point 40 point game, right? Yeah, yeah. This guy can't pay attention to much, but he saw the Pistons. He's from Michigan. He had to watch it. Oh, ruined Game 7 though. Like in our minds

oh no, maybe game sevens aren't real. You know, that's what we start thinking to ourselves. We've been lying about what game sevens are because of how lackluster that one was. And then all of a sudden last night in Buffalo, the Canadians show up. it goes to overtime, 2-2,

overtime, game winner. Whenever you're in one of these moments or you see one of these moments and you see how fast hockey is growing in the United States of America a lot because of what

the Olympics did. Does it make you pumped about the state of the league right now, if you will? Because I would say a lot of people Yeah, I mean, honestly, the first thing, the first thing I take from,

you know, just even that whole series, but, I mean, that crowd in Buffalo is incredible, right? You know, like, I think that place was off the hook they were down,

what, 2-0? early and then when they got that first one and then when Dahlian scored you know the roof kind of popped off so the crowds were make it so special and then on top of that you know guys are given 110% every night and it's sick like if you watch that goal the celebration is right um beside the penalty box camera and you can hear the guys in the huddle like how happy they sound at one and one overtime and it's like just a bunch of boys getting after it and they're so fired up there their season's still going on. The lads.

You'll see it. You'll see it on the celly when they get going. You got to listen to them. It's just sick. Do we have sound? Wins game seven. Now it's new hook. That's sick.

They're still quiet up to keep it moving, you know? Yeah, because you can really tell in there. That's like, for our sport, whenever we watch Mike Dupp's, and obviously they're so heavily edited, we try to see interactions to see if the team actually likes each other. What you're saying you saw right there is like, the lads are super excited to still be playing hockey with each other. It's very obvious.

Well, it's just like, yeah, boys, we're moving on. Let's go. Like on we go, and that's sick. Like, that their season keeps going. And obviously, they're so excited. I'm sure the mic'd up in football can't be that good because, you know, they got to blur out everything pretty much, pretty much the same in hockey, too.

Yeah, the league kind of decides, you know, what we're going to see, what we're not going to see. For you guys, it's been pretty tight for a long time. Feels like hockey's having a massive explosion. Hey, how come away games aren't a real thing for you guys? P.K. came on our show because we were talking about Montreal's barn. We're talking about Buffalo's barn. and obviously Colorado is going to go crazy.

In Vegas, we've been a part of that entire situation. We asked PK, we're like, hey, how do they handle going in these places and everything? Stats and PK were like, no, these lads, no, they don't care about anything. They just go in there and they play hockey. And then obviously, it's Montreal winning on the road and Buffalo won on the road. The stats have been saying that the road teams are having more success. Why is that? Are you guys just like serial killer mindset?

Do you feed off of the energy from the other team? Why do you think that is kind of becoming the case? I don't know. I think it's hard to say. You know, it depends on each series, each team. I mean, Montreal, you got to, you know, every road team that goes into Montreal is so juiced up because the Bell Center is an unbelievable atmosphere. So, I mean, it'll be interesting.

Like Montreal is a good example. Carolina's probably the hardest rink to play in just with the fans and the way they play. And, you know, Montreal is a good, exciting young team. And obviously their arena rocks pretty good. So that'll be a fun series. and then, I don't know, Colorado, Vegas is going to be a dog fight too. Dude, the Caniaks are going to be so pumped to hear what you just said. Hey, they're going to be so...

Yeah, like, I really do hate to give them that, but it is a rocking spot, and, you know, they get after it in that building. Yeah, and old buddies, friends from Manitoba are down there. Charvey's boys. Charvey's boys from Manitoba are going absolutely bananas in there. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Jack, I'm just curious, yourself personally. What's it been like, I guess?

We saw you, I don't know, three, four, or five days after you win the gold medal, was all happening so quickly you go right back into your regular season. I guess what was the rest of the season like for you playing all those games after that? And then what's it like now? Is your life different than it was, say, six months ago? Yeah, I mean, that was the best thing for me is just playing because, you know, it was the only real time I had, you know, unconnected, you could say, where I was just solely with my thoughts and I'm working on my game and trying to, you know, perform every other time you're like your phone's around or you're talking to people and you're not just you know having that quiet time for yourself so especially with how fast everything came

that was the best thing for me is just keep playing and now obviously it's pretty fun the off season can hang our hat on that for a little while and um just you know i've met so many people that are so happy and proud of us and you know you get all the all the good stuff so not many Yeah, yeah, we get an American hero. It's good to be an American hero. Sports center is next. We'll continue digitally. Okay, great out by you.

I don't know if you saw the clock. I assume you did with your awareness because of who you are and your fucking Jack Hughes. I assume you saw that. Great work there on giving a real answer while getting out of the way here as we send it to Sports Center. Show still continues right now on YouTube. X, Disney Plus, ESPN Plus. We're just off ESPN linear. Okay, so what you just did there, professional TV stuff.

I zoned out for you boys. He did great. You did some professional TV shit, especially with those bright white choppers, too. We could see every word that's coming out there. You know what I mean? We can kind of see it. And I appreciate you're transparent about like,

yeah, life is pretty good as an American hero. I've been coming to learn. I mean, it is a... You said it, Pat. You said it. All right, we got some questions for you. We appreciate you taking time out of your life. Go ahead, D.

Jack, when do you start ramping back up, I guess physically. Obviously, you're taking time. You talk about debriefing. I know you guys put your body, especially this season for you, when do you start ramping things back up and getting back on the skates? Yeah, like I'm working out already just because, you know, we're pushing our body to the max all year, and then you go two weeks of not moving really and you get stir crazy. So we're moving, but getting skating probably in middle of June, July-ish, you know, I'm a guy that when I get going, I want to be hungry. You know, I want to, like, be ready to roll.

And I'm like, because when I start, I won't stop. So I don't want to just, like, go out there to do it, to do it. I want to, you know, be fresh. And when I'm really ready to start, I'm ready to get after it. What is getting after it? Are we going blue line to blue line? Just sprints every day. Are we on pawn?

No. What are we doing? Is that how it works in your head? That's what you think we're just bag skating all some. I do. I think you guys are getting out there. I think you're out there. I think you're even doing, like,

the Olympic sprinter fucking toe thing. And I think you guys are just 4.30 a.m. Explosion. Around and then he stopped. That's actually exactly what we do. That's it. I'll say I would never be able to accomplish that feet. You and the wrestlers, you guys

are the wrestlers, I'm fucking fucked at. The wrestlers in high school were just wearing garbage bags fucking walking home. We got cars, boys. We got rides home if we want. They're doing that. And then you guys, early morning skates just a nightmare situation. You're young, So you can still feel it. You're still young out there.

You're a young lad living great life right now. A great life right now. Think about him saying, I want to get back hungry in there. Yeah. Listen, I'm going to live a little. There's plenty of time for that.

Okay. And when that ice comes calling, which it will, I will be 100% fucking ready for it. Obviously, a lot of great hockey happening right now. We assume you're enjoying that, especially with the family recently exiting. Go ahead, Conman.

Yeah, Jackie, you mentioned watching Quinn. unbelievable watching him for us, you know, let him know that a job well done, even though they fell a little short against the avalanche. But with the avalanche, what is their deal? Why are they so good? Do they just have more nail guns than everybody else? Do they have the most skill? Are they just, they turn everybody into squids as soon as, you know, they step on the ice against the other team? Like, what is the situation? And should we just assume they're going to go all the way and hoist the cop? Yeah, I mean, they obviously have a special team this year. I think Nate McKinnon is, you know, he's on another level. He's been on another

level the last bunch of years. And when you have a guy carrying the mail like him, you know, drives your team up the mountain. And on top of that, you know, McCar, Nikich, Nelson, Cadry, they're just a crazy deep team. I think they had 16 guys that scored in the second round for them off their, off their team. So when you have 16 guys chipping in, you know, obviously everyone's doing their thing. And when you have 16 guys scoring them, goals getting on the score sheet just you know it shows how deep you are and um i think they just do a good job of rolling teams over they're so fast obviously they're a confident team and you know they're driven by great players but just an extremely deep uh deep roster too carrying the mail out there these nail guns

just kind of do that yeah oh yeah squids don't really carry the mail much that seems like kind of the problem the mail gets kind of left behind like it's the old days your your brother was doing some real shit out there felt like your brother was driving the game hey it was fun that's the though yeah i mean that whole division was on another level this year i think you know three of maybe the four best teams in the league could have been out of that division uh with dallas minnesota and colorado so just a dog fight for them getting out of that you know first two rounds firstly and now they got vagus another you know unreal team hey your brother's funny he's fucking unbelievable watching skate around i mean he's like

skating circles the skating's outrageous obviously i don't know. He's a complete beast. And I think he's playing like 31 minutes a night. Like he's a beast, one of the best in the league for a reason. But, you know, just as a fan, like I went to Minnesota for two games and I had so much fun just watching him do his thing. So he's, you know, one of the most fun guys to watch, I think, in the league.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, that fucking backskating shit. Recruing in the Jersey. Well, that's how we say it to the backskate and stuff. Thank you. I feel like I am kind of maybe becoming a nail gun in this entire fucking thing You know, I'm trying

Is this the one? Yeah. He, here it is. We're going back that shit up. He heat. Yeah. See, yeah, it does whatever he wants. Yeah.

Yeah. And also, immediately afterwards, we'll go, hey. One more of these. Another one. And when I'm done with this one, what I'm done with this one? I need another one. We'd like another one to be replaced in here too.

Okay, the boys just did something sweet. We'd like to celebrate. That's why I think we love the hockey culture so much. We appreciate the, shit out of you, Jack. Keep living your life, buddy. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks, Pat. No problem, man. Hey, your whole life super public. How's that going? Good?

Yeah, it's going okay. Yeah. This guy. What a nail gun. This guy. Love it. Gentlemen, Jack, you. What a fucking life. One day, you're negotiating with suppliers. The next, you're installing a shelf in the back room. running a business means moving in many directions all the time.

TD's new small business banking accounts are built for how your business moves. It's how we're making banking more human. I will say it and this is it was never, it's nowhere near negative. This is a positive. Okay, okay. Jack Hughes was supposed to be on the show about 10 times. And they, sorry, can't say, hey, he's got, we got this, we got that.

It's like, Jack, fucking, go do that. Legit, legit, actually. And then the Olympics happened, and then he's right back into the season. And it's like, all right, yeah, now you've got to carry the torch of America every single night. So let's go ahead and do well. And then the season ends, obviously not the way that he or the New Jersey Devils had wanted it, not that it would have mattered here with what's going on in the playoffs, it seems like. But then you finally get a chance, like sit down, and somebody comes up to you, like,

Hi, my name is whoever. Congrats on what you did there. He was like, oh, thanks. You were watching? Yeah, we're all watching. Why don't you come this way, actually? Yeah, fucking every opportunity in the world for you right here we've been waiting on. It's like, that's exactly what he should be doing.

But it has been funny to kind of watch like new American hero and kind of like from outside in, very outside, like watching it kind of happen. It's like good for him, great for hockey if he becomes super, super face of this entire thing. Yep. Yeah. New teeth too. Looks good. Kid looks good. Good tan, new tea.

Her team you say could use them right now. He only plays in the big ones. Yeah. Well, they say these ones are the big ones because these are the ones that Sydney Crosby made the big ones. And I don't know if you know this. The Canadians are taking a whole fucking victory lap right now. He's not even the captain. Just said he had four apples.

That's because Maclin. Player of the game. The prince that was promised. Who cares? We're talking about the Stanley Cup going on right now. World Championships. You mean where the losers in the playoffs go to play? Okay.

Matthew Kachak playing or no? How many Bruins are in there? I don't know. Hopefully, fucking none. Hopefully they're all together. Put practicing as one. I actually do believe Jim Boehiggins is what you mean.

There's a few. There's a few. Fraser Minton. I like that they do, like they care like this. There was some shit where they're all lined up getting a fucking player of the game thing. It feels like this.

Like Sid being doing this after 20 years, whatever. And his dad's there. Crazy. His dads are wide. It feels like the world championship if you grow up in that hockey culture, it does become something that really matters. And if not, Sid's trying to make it matter. Is this how everybody has acted from Canada with these world championships gumpy?

Yeah, it's kind of well known. If you can't play, you do go play all the legends, try and get there if they can. And Sidney Crosby's just like making sure that everybody understands that this is how this goes. Hey, next generation, like we play in this if we have to, even if you're 55 years old like I am. Gumps? Is that what happens?

Yeah, absolutely. Jesus, Gump's, you would know, Gumps. You rubbed this fucking tournament in our face. I thought you were making that statement. I just said he had four apples. But I digress. He didn't want to be captain. That was a false report.

That was bad reporting there. And I'm glad you're an insider now because I don't think that would have happened if you reported the news. Not out of my watch. Yeah, he gave up the captaincy because he went late and everyone didn't know that he was going. He loves Macklin.

Yes. Yeah, well, he didn't want to step on any toes, but then Macklin also said, like, no, it should be captain. And the equipment manager is like, I can definitely switch. Easy. I can easily. If you want.

And Sid said no. I think he knows he's the next one. It shit's dumb. Okay. I would trade 100 world championships for one Olympic gold medal. So that's kind of how you know. It's dumb. Listen to me, American football fan.

I know. I'm freaking no. Let's talk about American football. Jacoby Preset, not at first voluntary OTAs. Pay that man! Aaron Rodgers, at first voluntary OTAs for Pittsburgh Steelers. What was stealing all the conversation? Aaron, what was nobody nationally really talking about at all?

Jacobi Brissette starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. I believe he's getting less money than maybe Carson Beck is getting as like a third-round draft pick for. the fourth round or fifth round draft pick, whatever it is. Jacoby Preset's deal, I guess, is nowhere near what a quarterback that would be starting games in the NFL would be. In Jacoby Preset, allegedly, I mean, I guess the absence here would be able to describe it a little bit more accurately. Allegedly looking for a little bit of a pay boost here. 1,000%. If you're going to want me to be a quarterback here for the Arizona Cardinals, you guys didn't really address the fact.

You don't bring in a vet. Is Carson going to be your starting quarterback? Is that how you're going to do this entire thing? Or are you going to give me a little bit of money, make this a little bit fair as we guide into this new era in Arizona. We happen to have a very close source in Arizona, who's a color commentator for them, who might be able to give us a little bit more color commentary

on the situation when Jacob Brissette and the Arizona Cardinals. Ladies and gentlemen, AQ. Shippley. Hey, Q! Thank you. I appreciate you coming to us live from... What we're here? You're left.

There it is. Yep. The left. There it is. Mike Tariko was able to figure it out. okay, it was his second time on the show. I think you'll be able to do it as well. Jacoby Brissette, okay, in this situation,

looking for more money from the Arizona Cardinals, as he is probably going to be the starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. As a person that was around this Cardinals team last year, whenever Jacobi got brought in there, obviously not a lot of wins, okay, there wasn't a lot of wins for this Arizona Cardinals team, but it felt like Jacoby was highly respected around the locker room.

How are you guys viewing this right now as a city over there, and what do you think is going to inevitably happen around Jacoby Preset, AQ? Yeah, the draft just happened, so obviously everybody's excited about Carson Beck. But listen, he's the guy. Jacoby Brissette is the guy. The minute that he went into the game last year in place of Kyler Murray, he injected a new energy into this offense, and they started to look like an efficient offense.

Early, it was just, Tyler was just playing backyard football, just trying to get it to two guys. It was Marvin Harrison Jr. or Trey McBride. And the minute that he stepped in, you saw an efficient offense take over. You saw them start to move the ball. You saw Michael Wilson start to take off and become really the number one. And now you started to see all these different guys, different pieces of the puzzle. As you know, with a play, it can go to five different guys, four different guys. It's not just two guys.

So whenever you saw him running the play action pass, back foot hit the ground, ball out on time to numerous different people. All of a sudden, it was like, Okay, that's what an offense is supposed to look like, and that team fell in love with Jacoby in the locker. He is currently set to earn $5.4 million this season, with another $2 million of playing time incentives available. So if he's starting quarterback, let's assume, that's $7.4 million. Spotrak's saying, about $4 million off.

About $4 million. They're unbelievable treatment of Jacobi here from Spotrack, who we have massive respect for. I wanted Jacoby to win an MVP whenever he was starting for a Colts. Now, that was like six quarterbacks ago for us. Sure. But I think Jacoby Parcells, I believe, is one of his mentors, obviously comes up through Bill Belichick, Tom Brady era.

I think everybody describes him as an incredible leader. Obviously, the team likes them. You're saying this guy understands what's going on in every single play. How do you think this ends up working out? You think the Cardinals end up giving them a pay boost in this new LaFloor era? Do you think they cut bait and start brand new with everything out there? They lost the schedule release allegedly. They lost the draft, the team's ass.

Everybody says that they're assing everything. would you want a veteran quarterback to be leading the way? Or do they potentially just think about moving forward? How do you kind of see what Arizona does here? I mean, listen, you can't sit here and win three games again. So if you think that Jacoby is the best option to get you to at least improve, we got to see improvement. We got to go this way.

You got a new coach. You went and got a guy from the McVeigh-Shannahan world that you're expecting that you can do more with less, right? So they obviously can't put together the full conglomerate. of talent and roster that they want because of what they're paying a guy in Minnesota right now. So you have to take what you can. You've got to give this guy a little bit of a pay bump. I think it speaks volumes of what he did last year.

Michael Wilson had 50 yards receiving in the first five or six weeks of the season. He takes over at quarterback and all of a sudden he's a thousand yard receiver and a budding star. 23 touchdowns, eight interceptions and 14 games for Jacoby Brouss out last year. He played 14 games? Yeah. Yeah, and McBride. You know, if you look at his numbers with Kyler, I know. What?

They lost a lot of games. I mean. Game started 12. Yeah, but listen, here's the deal. Played in 14. Whenever Kyler was in a quarterback, everything was get the ball out quick or try and play back yard and eventually maybe get it downfield. When he took over a quarterback, the ball got pushed down the field, whether it was

to McBride, whether it was to Wilson or whether it was to Marvin Harrison Jr. We were done with this quick little short game, and we were done with the running-up. So this is the color commentator sick of what the other. Hey, listen, we won three games, but at least it was a fucking NFL offense. It wasn't an NFL offense. That's what he's saying right now. He's thinking that maybe Jacoby gets another opportunity at this thing with a new coach. But on that note, DeBund has a question.

Yeah, McBride talked about his career year, not only with touchdowns, but every game he had at least five catches for, I don't know what streak he was on. But how does Jacobi's game fit into this new offense? Obviously, it went guy Jeremiah Love, who I think was the best player in the draft. You think Marvin Harrison, maybe he takes a step this year. But how does he look in this offense as far as fit-wise? Yeah, I think going with Jacoby first, right? I think he fits this offense well because it's a timing offense.

I think that's what West Coast offenses are. When you look at Shanahan's offense, when you look at McVeigh's offense, when you watch Matthew Stafford play or Brock Purdy play, it's one, two, three, four, five, back foot hits the ground, balls out, to a spot, right? It's the same thing. Matthew Stafford's looking at the sideline thrown over the middle because he knows the timing of where it's supposed to be, right? And so when you think about that, Jacoby Brissette's not going to extend plays. He's not going to run the football. He's a pocket passer.

And I think if you can get him in a timing rhythm and get the ball out like that player right there, that's exactly who he is. He's good at the play action. He's good at sitting in a pocket and letting his back foot at the ground and letting that thing go down the middle of the field. People were saying, I saw a tweet had a lot of views saying Jacoby Percette holding the Arizona Cardinals hostage has to be the worst for Arizona. Yeah, it's the sign of the end, yeah. But I don't think he's holding him hostage.

I think he's saying, hey, can we get, come on. Can we have a little bit of respect to your, come on. I'm about to go do my thing. Hopefully he gets the opportunity, and we'll certainly call you if any other Arizona Cardinals' dues comes out, hey, Q. Hey, let me say one more thing.

We also got three really good backs. You got James Connor, Algear, and obviously the new guy in Jeremiah I love, right? You can just lean on those guys. making a run-heavy offense. You got a pretty good offensive line returning, and then just let him throw a 10-to-50th game. That's a pretty good recipe for success.

Yeah, especially with the good running back. You get them sucked up. Yeah. And Jacoby's not scared to do a high-he. You suck them up in there. And then who's right behind that? That's McBride. That's right.

Can you say let him throw 10 or 15 times? Is this the Iowa Hawkeyes offense? That seems like... Hey, listen, I'll take that. Let's control the football. Let's pound the rock. Let's suck them up. suck them up, hit them behind.

Are we going to pay that? You think they're going to pay 10 to 15? That's going to be tough, I think, to sell. You're going to try out Gardner or Carson? Nope. Yeah. Carson can't. Exactly.

I think I'll take my chances with Jacoby. Yeah. Yeah. How much money are you giving him? 15? Six foot six. It's tall. He's very tall.

He's great leader. My one's seven instead of three. Oh, geez. That'd be huge. That'd be huge. Thank you. Chip. Thank you, thank you.

Baby, AQ. That wouldn't be so bad. I mean, I started out with pay that. Hey, AQ, you're still there, AQ? Of course. Yeah. Do you see what happened at the rookie premiere? Oh, man.

Go ahead. Not one. I don't know my readers on. Who are those people? I'll tell you what, they're not. Who are they? Any Arizona Cardinals in there? Yeah, Jeremiah, I love front and left.

There he is right there. Front and left. I see him? Yeah, but you know there's not much girth in there. Yeah, you see anything else? No lineman? Not one. Not a single lineman invited.

Drew Aller's in there, though. Good thing they signed Aaron Rogers. All right. What are? That's the answer? That's your takeaway? That's your takeaway in that entire conversation. We are.

Yeah. Yeah. Got other quarterbacks there. You got Drew Aller and Will Howard. What are we doing, Pittsburgh? Diggs, what are we doing? What are you talking about? Mason Rudolph also there.

I mean, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, what is your take here? You want Drew Aller to get his opportunity to shine? Are you saying... I don't know, yeah. Does he want Drew to start or is he problematic? Does he talk about a practice squad quarterback? I'm not sure what they're doing with the quarterback position over there.

Mason Rudolph's been there for what, 10 years? You got Drew Aller and you got Will Howard. Why aren't we giving these guys a look? I don't ever give him a look. What are you talking about? He's trying to trade for Jacoby. Trying to win football. He's out on air.

It sounds like it. You don't want them to go for it right now? Did you see Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers? like, good old days, having a laugh on practice. field? Who would have thought? I think he said. A quick release. I saw that quick release again. Hell yeah, you did. Oh, okay. That's Pittsburgh.

Big Mike's putting all the offensive alignment in the play that they played in college. I love that move. That feels like good news. Troy Fitton, over to the left side. Boys, we like it. Mason McCormick to the left side. He played 3,000 snaps there in college. Why would we play him there in professional? God, I love this new coaching staff. See?

I love that offensive line coach when we met him. Campy. Campy. James Camping. He was awesome. Jari? He had a lot. Jari was awesome. Campi had a lot of great vibes.

It looked like he was super positive. Yeah. What do you think Aaron and coach Mike McCarthy were saying there? It was definitely a look at this shit. Could you imagine us doing this right now? 15 years ago. Oh, fuck off, Jagoff. Probably said something like that.

Yeah, you guys with McCarthy? Yeah. Who the fuck, Aaron? What kind of offensive thing they're going to run? You think they're going to go back to what they were in Green Bay? My house. My house is right over there. Really?

Who think Jordy's doing? to my parents' basement. You wouldn't believe it. There's a chance that is the conversation. And Aaron said, why don't we just fucking call it right play? Okay? Why don't we just call the right play here? Okay? And I'm like, oh, you know, just, I'm fucking, take it easy. I am calling it. He threw it to Pittman, two out of four passes. Take that information for what you want.

I think it was two out of five. Whatever. You try to sauce it a little bit to make it sound even better. I do respect that. I appreciate you doing that. But Pitman is a dog. We are big fans of his. The fact that he left Indianapolis, I do not love. I think that is the type of guy you'd like to have in your locker room personally. I think him and Aaron will fall in love with each other. D.K. McCaff still in that team? Yep.

Not a single word has been mentioned about D.K. McCall. And apparently Jeremy Bernard is just blowing the doors off of people. You're talking about Jeremy? Yeah. Someone tell Boo, play. He's two of the four balls and rocks. Receivers for your fantasy team this year.

Oh, I'm sorry. Who's a running back? Oh, I don't know. Oh, man. Rico Daddle and Jalen Warren? Heard of them? Ever heard of them? That's right.

That's right. freaking took over the league okay let's see let's see you ever hear of Mount Washington how about Mooth oh that's a one two bunch you'll never see coming darnall looks like he is full mountain right now

he's playing away 315 yeah yeah which is obviously a problem for defenses okay let's go to the other side of the box because it seems like you wanted to be negative about the Pittsburgh Steelers trying to win right now isn't that what it sounded like that tone yeah a little Jodinardoness

coming out of here I'm just a natural hatred for the home other side of the ball we finally have a DC without football I start to get angry I'm sorry, I apologize. No, I understand, but we're talking about football, and you're still angry. And I think, you know, there was a long time to September, boys, long time. 114 days.

That's what we're trying to tell you. I was keeping up with the USGA amateur four ball scores this morning. That's what I'm watching. How was it? Yeah, who should we track? It's tough. I mean, Drew Stoltz and Drew Kittleson, they're the guys. Drew Kittleson played in the 2008 U.S. Open.

That's where we're at. You're the best way. the gentleman, thank you, Sheple. Yeah, thank you. Miss that guy. Four ball, PGA qualifiers. What a life.

Drew Stolce, that's old Stoltsy and Noltsy from Gold Coast, isn't it? Yeah, I assume. Yeah, there had to be some sort of time. I think they're probably Grass League guys.

Or Arizona guys. Yeah. Underbirds? Noce he's on the year. There is. He's on the Sunday call, though. For saying the name.

Yeah, he's good. I think he's good. Also, he's critical. I like, which I kind of enjoy sometimes. Yeah, he'll say some stuff. back to calling Crossover and Reggie were good with RICO. Oh yeah, yeah, great.

Agreed. I think Crawford was good. Bruce did not think of it. Oh, wow. Wow. Bruce was gave well, Reggie's great. Reggie's great. We're not doing last year stuff. That's fake. We're all

game. You know why? Yeah, it's a new year. No, he doesn't make it about himself at all. He totally lets the player shine and doesn't make it all about Reggie Miller himself. Sounds like a Knicks fan. Jeez. I don't like three. I don't think that was the case at all.

Three people booth are tough. Mike Tarrico can balance it, obviously, which is sweet. But the NBA playoffs, obviously, the NHL playoffs are great to you. NFL's cooking. Award season, you know, I was just at an award. Oh, yeah. I showed you other day?

Yeah. Did you hear I want to award show the other day, AJ? It looks pretty awesome, sitting next to Blake Shelton, yeah. And Riley Green, people are saying maybe we're dating. Me and Riley, Riley, Riley Green, right? What people still do. Well, a lot of people are saying, you know, Riley's in the middle of everything he does, I guess. I'm learning from the internet.

He's trying to figure out who Riley. Who's got his eyes on. Who's his love entries. A lot of eyes on him. Maybe that's, maybe it's a... We had a great time. I'll tell you, I had a blast at that fucking thing. We had a great table.

I don't know what other tables are like. We had a blast. Awards can be fun. You know, he won music event alongside Ella Langley for a song. They wrote back-to-back years. They kind of win that thing, had an absolute blast.

He gets that trophy. It means something. You know, that trophy. means something you put that up in a studio you put that up maybe in the bathroom so you can see it when you got shit your pants did you get eyes on that award I did not but it sounded like a lot of people had eyes on it and it was right ladies and gentlemen we have some bad news about awards um Jackson Smith and Jigba wide receiver for the Seattle Seahawks true sensation a Super Bowl champion an

absolute stud who won you know, the offense player of the year at the NFL Honor's Award finally got his trophy sent to him obviously as it was created and it was spelled wrong. Oh, no. It's spelled wrong. A lot of people say that they've sent him the defensive player of the year.

We reached out to Source Sives in the league. He's claiming ownership of this. Hey, we're the ones that type up all the things for the engraver to go ahead and make the trophy. So that's actually we think an O instead of a D there. And the type of,

was with the E as opposed to that being an F. So I believe there is a chance that this is O-E-F-E-N-S-I-V as opposed to O-F-E-N-S-I-V as opposed to a defensive typo there. I believe is what happened there. Certainly a typo. League is claiming ownership of it. I believe source says from the league are actually saying, and I quote, What about the year part? The year with no space there.

It feels like that was potentially also a flub. It feels like somebody that did the typing on this, just thought, yep, nailed it, send it. It didn't get any checks and balances. Correct. Can't have it in the biggest league on Earth. No. And Jackson Smith and Jigba, obviously, whenever he won this award,

he was not in the building. The way it was announced became its own story as well. So, you know, JSN had a hell of a year, and all of a sudden it feels like he's going to be most. motivated even more by it all, Dibut. Yeah. And he'll get into a trophy. He should keep both for them.

Yeah. He should keep both for them for the entire situation. And I think the NFL will certainly be trying to make it right. Yeah, you know, you hate to see us. I don't know if we've ever seen this before from the Pinnacle. You talk about professional leagues. And this is one of the biggest awards, you know, after the MVP is the next one that we always look at. The quarterback is pretty much kind of dominated that award.

And then you talked about the announcement. Obviously, Drewski, a comedian, tried to be funny in the moment. most people didn't think it was funny he wasn't there because he was preparing for the Super Bowl but won a Super Bowl, one offensive player a year, I'm sure the NFL to get this figured out and fix, but you hate to see Jay is saying a little bummed out about it.

He's going to be motivated. This guy had an incredible year, a career year some would say, and he's coming out with a bad taste in his mouth. And a big bag. That's unbelievable, and a huge bag. That's an unbelievable place to be if you're a Seattle Seahawks fan. It's like, okay, our guy that's different than everybody else is past

no fucking respect. And then What was the defensive line? Fuck you. You know what he said at the speech? What are they said at the speech? Boy, a mock. I'm not my quarterback or the linebacker. And then McDonald, the way he just like kind of.

Ernest Jones before. Yes. Dude. This team, Sam Donald always going to have because he was run out of the biggest city in America and said he was terrible. It's like this team is getting fed more chips almost, AJ. And that's insane to think about.

It is because that's the hardest thing. You always worry about, hey, like Super Bowl hangover, all that stuff. John Snyder, the GM, he's just sitting back, loving all of this stuff happening. So that's the thing. Coming back to camp after winning the Super Bowl, or coming back to OTAs and thinking, all right, what do I do? Like, how do I get it across to these guys? Like, we got to keep our foot on the gas.

And last year didn't happen to all of that. And it's like, hey, sometimes I'm outside of forces kind of do that for you. Hey, they don't even know how to. They don't care. They don't care enough about us out here. You know what you're saying? They forget about us out here, way up north. I've told a lot of Seahawks.

I ran into a lady named Stephanie. I do believe at the ACM Awards working in Vegas. She's a big-time Seahawks fan. And she mentioned, oh, the primetime games are going to be good for the Seahawks getting seen by people. You know, like we're going to be forced to talk and see the Seattle Seahawks because of the amount of primetime games. And that's only starting for them. Yeah. Feels like that's only going to be starting for this particular era of the Seahawks.

And Schneider, we know he's beauty. Yeah, absolutely. The man. The man. He really is. Can you throw a football? AJ used to always say that when we'd be like, yeah, yeah, probably sure. Definitely, and then we got to experience.

I got the experience of a lot more than anybody else around us, but it was certainly a fantastic vibe from Old Schneider. Yeah, that's why I'm not worried about any kind of Super Bowl hangover because I don't think John Schneider's ever been hung over in his life. I see what he can do night in, night out, and guess what? Next morning he's up early. He's, you know, combing over different prospects, ready to prepare for the draft. So I don't think we need to worry about any kind of Super Bowl hangover.

If you're going to hoot with the house, Yeah. You got to be able to wake up and throw with the Eagles if you want to be worth the fuck in this world. Exactly. Because if you hoot with the owls and then the Eagles take off and you're not with them, then all of a sudden you're just hooting all day.

And he's what's not happening in fucking altitude. Exactly. Got to get up there. Got to get up. He's getting a worm. Not just the worm. I think the Eagles are getting fucking big fish. I got one thrown off the side of my house.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's true. Yesterday, or two days ago, thrown off the side of my house. Sunday, I guess three. How many days is that? Again? What's it?

That's not the first time, right? Yeah, so this is the thing. I didn't know this. Live on a lake, they say, it'll be a good time. You have good views. There's also a chance that these birds, you know, prey, which eagles are. We got two to live on property there. Wow.

They will find a fish somehow because they got eagle eyes. Yep. Well said. And they will go in there and they will snag these things. And it is just like an actual, like a grab of the, and then they start flying away. Some of the fish, a little bit too big. So they'll fight. You know, they'll fight in there.

and it will slip. And I think you just, it's like raining fish and just smacks off a window. It is, it's quite a little scene. Yeah, you know, explain to McKenzie what's happening there. Probably not slip. Rain, you think it's strong enough.

You probably got a nice edge that they like. Just, yep, right there. Good stone. You think that's the death flow? Yeah, finish it. Oh, so you're saying that that thing's moving a little bit and Eagle's like, hey, we can do this two different ways.

And that thing starts about. comes right around the house. Yeah, I got. Bang. Oh, yeah. Potentially. I mean, these fuckers are smart. Yeah, they are.

They really are. They're, I told you about sitting ducks with them. Mm-hmm. It was like Nat Geo was happening just right behind the house. AJ, you remember that? Forget what it was. Christmas, maybe Thanksgiving,

one of the holidays where everybody was there. You remember what these? Were you shooting, shooting ducks? I wasn't shooting. No. Oh. I was shooting in there. It's a fucking residential neighbor.

Somebody was paintball. I can't be shooting these things. No, there was a group of ducks. I don't know the official name. There's a bunch of different breeds of ducks. Was it a mallard? No. Mallard's green.

It was a black head. I believe, I forget the full, but it goes underwater pretty good, these ones. And they stick around long into the cold. But the lake freezes, except for little spots of water. So all these ducks just go to these one little. And I think this is,

is where the sitting ducks thing kind of started. Sure. So then these eagles, okay, just have literally sitting ducks down here. These things flew down, picked one up at a time, passed it off the ice, called in its friends, did that. Ducks get scared to death, guess where they go? The only other hole that it was, and all of a sudden, after they're done eating the shit out of this duck, they go on up.

Guess what we're doing again? Let's do a little roulette. You're going to, boom, getting one. Dumbies. Off the ice. We're watching this. Blood. It was.

a massacre? It was a fucking mask. It really was. And then you think to yourself like these eagles are genius. I mean, they're probably preparing for this for weeks. Hey,

we got the fucking little ice gimmick coming with these things. Yeah, don't worry, we're good. Just go ahead and wait. Good eats. They are so smart, dude. So it was, it was devastating if you were a duck fan.

I'm telling you, if you were a duck fan, that was going to be a tough holiday. And it was happening right behind the house. Middle of the day, great lighting. I think it was happening literally for the house in which we were in. It was. I'm a big fan of the eagle.

But if you hit with the house, you got to be able to fucking wake up with them. Exactly. Because they're going to get the ducks and the fish and throw them off the houses and everything like that. And if you're just boozing all day, you're not going to be able to do that. Agreed. And all this talk reminded me something we saw last night. Yep.

Hey, Jay. Good call. Hey, did you find a queen bee? So how do we get into this? And this is awesome. Is this your new hobby or how far into the? game, are we? Are we making honey for the boys? What's kind of going on here? I mean, eventually I'd love to make honey. I've always been interested in bees and curious about

him, but yeah, that guy there, Brian, he's one of my buddies, his son plays with my son, and I saw he had a beehive like six months ago in his yard, and I've been asking him about it. He's really dove into a deep, so he's been helping me. I, that's a gray box right there. It's, you know, pretty plug, I guess. That's an interceptor swarm box. I caught a, I put that up about a month ago. I caught a feral swarm of bees, and then that I was transitioned them into an actual hive now. So, yeah, now we're about to go. Okay, do you have to deliver them a queen, or is there already a queen in the...

They make a queen. They make a queen. Who makes the queen? The bees make the queen? The bees are crazy, man. The more you learn about bees, it is nuts how these people handle. It's wild. Yeah, they'll feed them royal jelly and extra extended period of time to make the queen

and that queen lays eggs. And I'm pretty sure you've got a queen laying eggs in my affair. swarm that I got. You can buy beads online, but I didn't want to do that. My buddy did that. He said, no, let's catch a barrel swarm. And he's got a couple over at his property. Well, congratulations on wrangling the feral swarm of bees that you can now have on your property. I watched Jerry Seinfeld as a bee. I think I learned a lot more about how they operate and everything. They are a sophisticated bunch, but it does appear if you get a queen that they all agree to, just like Canada did for all those years, they'll kind of

just blindly follow from my understanding. And there's big benefits from these bees. in society. Okay, remember there was a time Nick Marauda, who's one of the most pessimistic people on earth about everything, was giving thumbs up the bees because we needed more bees, and there was like a shortage of bees happening.

So I actually appreciate... Local honey's good for allergies. Bingo, we hope to get some Columbus honey out of the hawk hive at some time. That'll certainly be something we look forward to. But Nick, you were big on the bees there for like an eight-month period. It was almost like an interesting little time of your life.

Need the bees, Pat. They were facing some challenges there for a little bit. They still are. So it's good to see an upstanding citizen like AJ helping them out, giving them a home here, because, you know, we can't have the plants without the bees and then the birds and then that whole thing. Someone should have told you about that when you were younger. But you need them. You need them to keep the ecosystem going.

That's right. I hate the fucking bees, I'll be honest with you. What? No, no, no. There's a fucking nuisance. No, but they're not like Canadian geese, dude. They're fucking different for society. I get it, but they're just, like, always buzzing around areas where, like, I'm sitting.

And it's, like, I'm fucking sick of this thing. So I go out and I go to Ace and I have to buy. the fucking, you know, and that's not good for the environment, just spraying that bee killer just all over yourself. Yeah, exactly. So I'm at where we stand right now, I'm fucking dumb with the bees. I fucking hate them.

Those ones stink, but honestly, those pale in comparison to them big fucking carpenter bees. Those dumbs, dumbs and bitches who, they don't do damage. They're cars. They fly in that. They're like cars. They're dumb as shit. They don't sting you, but they'll just fucking fly right into your forehead and do it

a hundred times. But, and then, yeah, burrow into wood and shit like that. Damn near I've already taken down my swing set. Fucking structural integrity is calling into question now. It sounds like you got a wood problem more so than a carbon of bees. It sounds like it's on your wood, pal.

No, because they burrow in there. Yeah, but I'm saying your wood's weak. You need to get a little bit stronger than maybe get a little popcorn out. No, that would be, that's not my wood. Okay, that would be fucking gorilla play sets wood. So yeah, I may have to take that up with them. These cock suckers, I'm done with them. I'm done with them.

AJ, who's wearing the shorts and who isn't wearing the shorts in that picture? We know. I am not wearing a shorts. That's my first time even handling that, opening that swarm box up. The shorts was a bold move. So you're in the- I didn't need them. You're in the full pants gimmick?

I'm in the full gear, but yeah, I don't need it. Trust me, these guys, we found a good swarm. These guys do not want to bite at all. They are just strictly working. Peace. Next time I won't. Next time I'll probably just wear the head, you know, the head deal. Yeah, not even the gloves.

You got a hardworking hive, it sounds like over there at the Hawk House. and we'll certainly keep our eye on the honey that you will be producing for all of our allergies to continue to battle. This weekend, massive, massive time for the sport of the future. Oh, hell yeah. Might be the sport of the now,

especially with the highlights that are destined to be coming from the final four. Conman, what do we need to know about these four lacrosse powerhouses? Yeah, pretty unbelievable there. You see Prince with the one. Standing up there is Nate Kiber. He's kind of one of the Tour-Ton final superstar. You will definitely be seeing more of him.

If they continue to win, he will definitely show up. Duke damn near the surprise of the tournament. All four Blue Bloods, obviously seeing Duke win Natties, but you do not see them being ranked. They won at Richmond two weeks ago to kind of get this entire

thing started. Now they've made it all the way. That is Ben Johnston, not Ben Johnson. We got two ends in Ben, kind of like Bennett and Johnson with the T. He's led them. I believe this is the goal against Georgetown to get them here. And then Notre Dame.

Duke La Crosse. back. Good for them. Duke will cross back. Congratulations. Kind of a stalwart in the Final Four weekend. This is Josh Diego. So he is a transfer from the Air Force. Actually, I believe he is a pilot. I'm not sure

exactly if he is a engineer or if he's actually flying the things. He's leading them. He thought his career was done. He's a grad transfer for his last year. Relax, trying to win a Natty. There is again. Boom. Huge goal. He does favor the bounce. He does favor the bouncer. And then Syracuse.

Syracuse kind of back in the top. They are a kind of old firm, if you will. That is the Powell's alma mater, as we know so well. But Joyce Polina, he is their superstar, good Italian boy, I'm sure. He is also a Tour-Tan finalist. So we are set up for great games this weekend at Saturday, Final Four, and then Monday National Championship. Okay, that's the men side. Let's go to the women's side.

Obviously, they're entering their Final Four as well. Stars all over the place. Yeah, less surprises, as you can see, Northwestern Johns Hopkins 1, verse 4. Let's go back to the graphic, maybe. And then 2 verse 3, North Carolina, Maryland. Thank you very much. North Carolina superstar Chloe Humphrey. She's a sophomore.

She has 100 goals this season. That's not 100 goals in her career this season. I believe Bruce you won the Tour. You said last year as a freshman? Yeah, she's the one. She is on pace to be the greatest women's. lacrosse player not just in college but just in general. She's unbelievable Twaraton last year, 100 goals this year.

They're probably the favorite to bring this thing home, but obviously on the other side we got, you know, kind of the Cinderella story with Johns Hopkins and Taylor Hawes. Yeah, we love Johns Hopkins and Taylor Hawes showing us a lot of love. Johns Hopkins women's lacrosse team has shown us a lot of love. We appreciate them so much. Obviously, that fantastic last second actual goal to send them into championship weekend here with a turnover in the back.

Let's go ahead. We got 13 seconds. Let's go ahead and execute perfectly an entire counter whenever you need it. Kind of tick-tac-toeing the ball. And then Taylor Haas ends up with a hang goal. Actually, a little perfection here as they move past Stony Brook. We appreciate the Johns Hopkins team. Oh, yeah. But whenever you think about women's lacrosse and Blue Bloods here, that's who we have.

Johns Hopkins, it feels like that would be a school that I would think would have a good lacrosse team, if that makes sense. Yeah, they almost had both. Same with North Carolina, too. like they almost had both teams men and women in the final four Maryland you could say as well. Who's that there? JJ Suriano. That's goalie, right? Yeah, goalie, superstar.

Definitely going to be a tall task. But again, Chloe Humphrey has 100 goals in the year. Northwestern kind of a budding dynasty. You could argue they are a absolute powerhouse now. Men's team, I don't know if they have actual men's team, but their girls' team is unbelievable. So it would be one of those things or you wouldn't be surprised if Northwestern kind of in the table here. All right, we'll be watching it all.

Love sports. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Great weekend for La Cros. Notre Dame is your favorite to win or all. Well, good luck to all parties. Hey, we're so thankful for you. We got a beehiver amongst us.

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Oh, hell, yeah. Wow. Be going on to be at H. You've done it, lad. Man, first one, it'll be big. I'm sure I will cry like a maybe tomorrow morning, but proud of her, proud of Maya. She's going on to be at FAU Isle, so she won't be too far away.

Hey, she's hooting with the aisles. She is. Okay, but we know she'll be up with the Eagles. She will, huh? That's part of it. Which we respect. Congratulations to you. All right, be a friend, tell her friends.

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