The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1567 - Overreaction Monday with Kendrick Perkins, Pete Thamel, Mike Greenberg, Erik Johnson, and Quinton Richardson

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

On today's show, Pat, AJ, and the boys are live from Bristol Connecticut before Heading down to Madison Square Garden for game 3 of the NBA Finals. In the first hour, Kendrick Perkins joins the show to share his thoughts on the first 2 games of the series and what to expect from the game tonight. Also in the first hour, ESPN Senior CFB Insider Pete Thamel joins us to break down the latest legal ruling impacting Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Sosrby’s eligibility. In the second hour, we are joined by host of Get Up and ESPN legend Mike Greenberg to discuss the future of the Chicago Bears and their decision to move to a new stadium in Indiana, the Knicks in the Finals, and more. After Greeny, former number 1 overall pick in the NHL draft and current ESPN analyst Erik Johnson stops by live from Vegas to break down the Golden knights 2-1 series lead over the Carolina Hurricanes and what both teams need to do to close out the series. To close out the show, Quentin Richardson stops by and previews the upcoming Altcast for Game 3 with him and Kendrick Perkins joining Pat, Darius Butler and the boys to enjoy the game on ESPN.  Join us tonight, and make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you and will be back live tomorrow. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. And welcome to Bristol, Connecticut. The ESPN studio. For this NBA final is Monday. That starts now. Sports are happening all around us. And we are in a place that is an epicenter of sports coverage since 1979. Yes, we are in the home of ESPN up here in Bristol.

And I'll tell you, every time you come up here, you wonder, how the hell was this the place that they decided to put this conglomerate that would obviously showcase sports more. so than any other network on Earth. And I'll tell you, it has a nice little novelty to it. It feels like you're driving literally past somebody's house. You go down the back road, you turn in there, boom, college campus of sports. This place is glorious.

There's a lot of people working here. Very nice to see everybody. A lot of hello's unanswered, okay? So I don't know if that was directly to me. That's the nine-year NFL vet. Yukon Husky legend Darius J. Butler. Hey, Bucci. They weren't saying a little of you either.

But I just want to let you know. That was going to happen in the United States. There was some friendly, obviously, interactions. The cafeteria here is phenomenal, but I think everybody's so locked in on their jobs. Now, what does everybody do here? Could be anything. I mean, we walk past rooms of people doing different stuff. I forgot how many different talents you need to be in this particular space.

I forgot how much space is needed to be in this particular space. And in the sky right now above us, 2000, every light that is in Connecticut is in the studio. This board right here is the highest of highest of class. I mean, it is absolutely glorious and beautiful. Obviously, the commitment to sports coverage is very real by each. ESPN and has been since the beginning of time. Can you do that light thing? Can you do that light thing that we just saw right before we went live?

Just so everybody can understand what's kind of going on over here. I wonder. Go cool lights. Yeah. Boom. That's what we're doing. Now, they're trying to welcome us in here. They're like, hey, listen, let's get this thing excited and celebrate.

They turn these things up. I believe vibe check is kind of shot right over there. They got, I did college game day, I think, shot on this side over here. And this is just one building. There's a hundred of them. Okay, there's a hundred of these buildings. And it's an honor to be. here especially. Go with the lights. Can we cool with cool lights? I like the Undertaker there

kind of on the corner. Today is a glorious day. Obviously, it's a huge day. NBA finals have come to New York City. Now, obviously, this is a massive ordeal for not only the sport, the league, but the biggest city in the United States of America. There's been parties happening in New York that I think are really bringing people together like we've never seen before. Now, obviously, Fat Joe said something along. He saw. acidic Jews dancing in the Bronx, I believe. This has brought us closer than anything he's ever seen since 9-11 is what he brought up. He said the city has come together to rally around this next team more than anything you've seen.

This is people coming out of the city of New York saying to the world like, hey, this has been incredible for us. It's been fun to watch. The parties are in the street. The parties are all over the city. There's a watchalong going on. And obviously Madison Square Garden is going to be outrageous tonight as the alien travels in down to O. to take on this inevitable Jalen Brunson. You know, we did a whole MVP conversation, funny,

okay, because obviously that's a regular season award. And we're like, is it going to be SGA? Is it going to be Wemby? Wembe is getting disrespected in this entire thing? SGA, is that ethical hoops to be the MVP back to back? Nobody even mentioned 6'4-1 Brunson here in New York. He's going to be a god here. Oh, yeah.

I mean, G-A-W-D with all capital letters in New York City, if he's able to bring a title here. And what he has done in the final two minutes, there's some stats we got from. Hembo. Within four points, within the final two minutes or something like that. Jalen Brunson has 10 points. The next person who has any, Victor, when being on, is three. So in crunch time, in the clutch time, whenever you need them, this guy just rises to the moment. Two-time National Championship in college. Now he's got a couple of his college teammates. Obviously, his dad,

not only on last year's coaching staff, that coaching staff gets fired at the finals. Then this year's coaching staff, Coach Brown, who is obviously immense respect around the world. His dad has obviously been there. I mean, this has been a family affair for Brunson for a long time, and he's inevitable. This guy doesn't stop. It's fantastic to watch as a sports fan, and tonight we'll be calling it live from inside of Madison Square Garden alongside Q. Rich in Perk. It'll be myself, D. Butt, and also the Toxit Table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty feels like a glorious day for sports, and we understand how lucky we are to be in there to do this. A lot of people kind of attacking us for a goodness. Oh, boo-hoo. Sorry.

Although on the flip side, I do understand because we'd be killing us too if we were getting this opportunity. We're sitting in their seats. We think it's ridiculous that we're getting to do it. But I wouldn't let everybody know. This isn't us being assholes here. Like we are trying to be an asset to society. We've had a incredible opportunity to be able to do this for college football in their biggest games. National Championship game.

We've had a chance to do it. We were doing it into Thunderdome at one point. We're doing it as a watchalong like others have done in the past. Once we got like boots on the ground and like in the building, it did feel as if we were able to provide something that maybe the main telecom. wasn't able to provide. We're going to try to do that as well tonight. We're not trying to say that we are going to be a main broadcast.

But you're certainly going to be able to watch the game with us. And we are going to certainly create some moments, I think, that people will appreciate in the sports world. What we're saying is, I understand your natural inclination whenever you see my face on something. And maybe these assholes are going to ruin it. We're trying our best not to. And maybe at the beginning we might think that that is the case or you might think that is the case. We're trying to crush this tonight. In Perk and Q.

We've been on the horn. I've been FaceTime with Perk while he's driving. dangerous. I know shouldn't be doing that. But he holds that thing. Every face time, he always holds it up to his ear like this. So I never know what I'm doing. We've been working. We're trying to make this good. Like legitimately trying to be an asset where

you two boys are going to be tonight. I think will be a perspective that not a lot of people have maybe seen before or know before. But that building is about to be outrageous. I think we're going to try to showcase that. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's one of those things where if you're afforded this opportunity, what are going to say no? You really can't. And yeah, sure, people are going to be pissed or whatever if they see

you or me and comment. but like Perk and Q Rich, like that's 27 years or 28 years of collective MBA experience. And the, like you said, we in our kind of pre, you know, pre-show, not today, but when we were talking about this, Keurich, who played for the Knicks was like, people will remember this Knicks game for the rest of their lives. We've seen the ticket prices. Like, I'm sure there are, you know, something off the top of your head or, you know, there are tickets that have maybe been more expensive in the past. But like, this is arguably the most coveted ticket, maybe in, like, the history of sports are in my lifetime.

So the fact that we get to be in the building for this, like, yeah, I would assume, and the way you look at how all these games have gone, it's going to be unbelievable. Yeah, it is going to be unbelievable. And obviously what the Knicks have been able to do, first time, the Knicks have been favored in a final game since 1990-something, four, like that, I believe is the time. So we were talking about history, history, history,

but you put that C-keek thing back up, by the way, you can get 30 bucks off. Boom, there you go. You're welcome. There you go. Thanks. Holy shit. Yeah. Now I could go.

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And by the way, Red it can wrong. They can do it if they want. Sure. Yeah, they can read. They can go and go. And then it gets. So we've got to this point of Pat McAfee, 30 bucks off for these final stick. It's not a bad idea.

Wow. Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. $1964, you can get in. See? Boom. That's not count. In this economy?

Get a beer. Yeah, the fee's probably more than 30 bucks. Yeah, certainly. But we're cutting into them. Fighting the fee. Exactly. You're fighting the man out here. That's right.

Shout out to C geek for the ticket prices. Also, shout out to the people that are going to pay for that. Yeah. That's a lot of money. That is a crazy amount of money. But obviously it's going to be a legendary night. We can assume that. Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Cowboys AP tone. Line his move from two and a half to one and a half. Nick still favored for the first time in a final. game since 1994, but it moves a point. What does that mean? What do we finding out right here, Tone? Normally, when it moves a point in that direction, it means that the money is coming in on the spurs. That is not the case, though. Last time I checked, it's more on the Knicks. Obviously, when you go and you win two games on the road, the public money is most likely going to be on you. The over under has ticked up a bit as well to 216 and a half is now the over under on this game as

Well, even though the first two games went to the under and let's see here, in the last 43 games, the under is 29, 13 and 1. So the money's coming in on the Knicks and the over, but it's going the opposite direction. So, you know, we'll see what happens tonight. But obviously game one, game two have been very, very close, blown leads or comebacks, however you want to look at it in each game. Close games in each situation. So very, very excited game tonight. Yeah, I think tonight shall be exciting strictly because we're going to be in the garden. But what if this just becomes a runaway?

You know, the Knicks have been winning by an average of 17.6 points this playoff. That would break the record of 14 points something from, I forget what year it was, 2000. Lakers. Yeah, it was back in the day. It's like they are dominating people. And in the garden, I mean, who knows who's going to be sitting courtside then? Yeah, yeah. I mean, who knows who's going to be sitting courtside in there?

And these courtside fans, the New York ones, and I'll give them some credit because we hate the Super Bowl with so Corpo because we think you lose that on a lot of good fans. I think you lose out. Here in New York, like the celebrities actually are, like there's clips of Chalame as a child outside Knicks games, you know, put on, and he will go crazy for Ben Stiller. They got pictures of inflexing. He's definitely on something. Yeah, he's got a good character coming. Oh, yeah.

I mean, there's a chance, too. I mean, there's certainly a chance. And with the modern science, I mean, he's going to continue to look like that. Fat Joe's going crazy. Tracy Morgan goes crazy out there. I mean, yeah, he's jacked. Come on. They're saying Fat Joe's arms just like that, too.

I saw Fat Joe on the plane, okay, when everybody's hands go, oh, and you sing? Same arms. Yeah, same arms. So maybe they did just put Fat Joe's arms on Ben Stiller there, but their celebrities do get into it. And they, like, expect everybody else to. And the New York fans, we're around one of them.

Yeah. They are very active. Oh, yeah, a lot. Let's go back to the control room in a different building with Foxy and the lads. Bruce Brown, congratulations, pal. Here we go, Bruce. Hey, Bruce, sir. Big night tonight for you and your night.

Knicks, but I feel like you would say that the Knicks fans are very loud in public at games. You think that's a good descriptor of Knicks fans and New York fans as a whole? Definitely. I mean, even in. Jesus. Is it super loud? Yeah. Talk about it.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. My point, by the way. New York guy. New York fan right there. You hear how loud that was. So loud.

He's also in the position to be able to control how loud he is. He chose to be louder. You don't quite know how. but I could in theory control it. Here comes the human. Now, listen, Madison Square Garden is going to be a scene tonight, Bruce. Is that how we should expect this evening's environment to look like? Yeah, absolutely. It's the first multi-game lead in an NBA final since they last won it in 1973. The Knicks have been bad for most of my life.

And this is the big breakthrough. It is going to be, you know, a building ready to explode. You even heard the fans in San Antonio. when Deuce McBride hits a big three, there's a massive deuce chant for an away game. So, yeah, tonight the atmosphere will be absolutely biblical. I can't wait for everybody to experience it. It's going to be amazing.

Shout to, I don't think this New York team is as healish as they could be. New York, big city, okay? 13 straight, haven't lost since April 23rd. Feels like a majority of just the fans as a whole are like pretty wild shit happening in New York with this next thing. It's hard not to just kind of, recognize that. 13 straight in the hardest time of the year.

This is when all the ass teams are no longer playing. This is the good teams playing basketball. You can game playing for him. And you get multiple, multiple, and you just continue to steam roll. And it's, is it strictly because Brunson is an absolute bucket getter late? Like,

is that the conversation? Is it because the young lads? Just a couple of serieses ago, when Chris Paul came on, Wembe got a rebound. Okay, at the end of the game. And there was like six seconds left on a clock. I believe they're in their own end.

And everybody on the team looked over at Mitch Johnson to see if they were going to call a timeout or not. And then they drove the ball up the court. And I think they ended up hitting the shot or whatever. But Chris Paul pointed out, he was like, nobody knew if they were going to call a timeout or if they were going to go. This is like a young team kind of doing their shit. That Wemby pass off of Castle's back. That feels like a young moment. That feels like a young moment.

These guys have done this, what, 10,000 times this year kind of go up. He's obviously point guard. And then there's an alternate angle from the back where Castle is definitely looking at. at him and showing his body as if he would, I think just like wide receivers, kind of give a target, give a window of where you're bowling. Then I think he thinks, nope, he's not going to take it. So he turns back this way. And I think Wemby was looking, so he was just terrible time. It was just like very unlucky. Yep.

Now, obviously they're getting cooked. Wemby's getting cooked because it did feel like he was maybe half a step late on the pass where he could have held back on the past. But it did just feel like here, you see him looking at him. It's kind of showing his body. And they're saying he's saying calm down. Maybe telling him to slow down. But he does look back again, like, hey, huh? You're going to give this to me? And then Castle does like, nope, I don't think you're giving it to me. Wembe might be looking somewhere else.

Then he passes, like, I think he's a half a step late on the pass. But it certainly ends up being the worst case scenario of all time. And Jalen Brunson becomes one of the only players in the history of basketball to get a steal in the final 10 seconds and then a shot to take the lead in the final 10 seconds or whatever it is. So it's like an unfortunate situation. But it does feel like, ah, young guy, like they're going to learn from this entire situation you think going forward. Yeah, I mean, that's the main thing I'm looking at. this young team responds on the road because obviously you drop two at home that's tough maybe you go on the road and it's less pressure on you but that situation right there i think it's just bad timing and obviously castle's looking back doesn't show his hands and then if you're wimby and if you are passing kind of leading them there you're kind of leading them right to the sideline so wimby's kind of a point so he can bring the ball up he brings the ball up a number of times that's just a very very tragic mistake um at that point but i'm excited about tonight you talk about brunson and obviously it always starts with the superstars when you look at this

team just like it starts with Wemby with the spurs. But it's the other guys. Like, Kell Bridges, like he's a guy who's taking a lot of heat because they gave up five first round picks to get him. He's showing up. He's been balling. Josh Hart hasn't been shooting or scoring the ball world. He's doing everything else. Big Cat, you know, he came in. He was kind of supposed to be a generational guy. He was the number one pick. He's showing up in the biggest moment. How's he in the matchups against

Wembe? Dominant. He's winning it right now. The stat that Hembo sent over on the matchup between Kat and Wemby and then Wemby versus Kat. I forget the exact, but Wemby, I thought we're going to be able to have that right there. I think Wemby's 70. 7 of 20 and then Kat is 8 of 13. So whenever you talk about just matchup,

it's like, hey, Kat, actually winning. And then you hear Kat talk afterwards and he's like, yeah, I just felt an incredible sense of confidence and just peace when I'm out there. Jalen, not breaking at all. Just no, I mean, they feel like they're built and ready and calloused for the moment after the heartbreak, heartbreak, heartbreak that has happened with them in the NBA.

the past couple years when they run into a Celtic team, or they run into the Pacer's team, or they don't have enough depth. So whenever they give up five picks or whatever for McHale Bridges, it's like, I think they all understood, get how Jalen plays, understands how Jalen plays from college, but also perfect asset,

because everybody seems to be, they're like dominant and everybody's on the same page, and nobody seems to be happy. Yeah, hango, serious bunch. It is an incredible New York team, because you would think with New York, there'd be so many things like kind of pulling you out of that. They've maintained this mentality.

It's fun to watch. I think that's why you have to respect it. I think like you have to respect what the New York Knicks are. Now, if they were to win and there's a parade here in New York City, the videos are going to come out of that. Because I heard something about the religion of a mayor. Yep. Then I heard something about a bagel.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I heard about some Deior. It's like it does feel like this city is about to, or New York City is about to explode. We haven't seen that in so long, so long. Damn near never. It's very Buffalo Bill.

mafia-esque when you think about their fan base, you know? Like we talk about how their team could be heels, should be heels, but their fans, damn near making it not that way because of the videos that come out after the game. But you mentioned McHale Bridges and kind of their entire mindset. McHale Bridges was up to O'O in an NBA finals with Chris Paul at the Suns, and then they lose four straight to Yannis. And he said after the game on Saturday night, like, yeah, no, we're not satisfied. It's a zero-zero mindset.

We're not up to O in our own heads, and I feel like that's the biggest thing. but then you also think about Wembe. Like, yeah, they're down 2-0. Wembe's drawing photos of butterflies in Grand Central Park, whatever the hell it's called, with his sister, having a good time. I'm not so sure. He's an artist.

I'm not so, no, I know. I think it's great. He's an artist. I think it's fantastic. I think because of that, I all of a sudden think, okay, well, where was he probably drawn last time? Maybe with the monks.

Maybe he's going back to, hey, when I was down in the depths in the temples of Mordor or wherever the hell he was, whatever it was called, like Ace Ventura. Bumble me, tuna. I'm bumble to be doing it. Sure, he's drawing stuff that's taking him back there. So I almost think, too, Wembe has foretold foresaw this moment.

And so it's hard to even write them off. But, yeah, the next to win games. I know it's, I'm pumped for tonight. Yeah, tonight's going to be special. I can't believe that we are allowed to be there. Is that man, who's certainly not from here, tries to become the next young legend. If he's able to come back from after being down 2-0 in Madison Square Garden

against New York Knicks, you know everybody started talking about? LeBron James loves playing in Madison Square Garden. We talked to Tyrese Halliburn. Loved playing the Massachusetts for Gordon. I couldn't even imagine what this is for Wemby. French guy, Paris guy, in New York City, taking your team into the finals, down to O. Everybody's calling you soft. Everybody's saying you don't know how to win.

It's a big ass in the paint, Wemby. That's what I hope he was drawn. I hope he's drawn. Maybe he was painting. Maybe that's what he was. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he was dining in a paint. Maybe he was gardening tonight.

Yeah, here we go. Join us now, NBA champion, co-host of tonight's. NBA finals, all access. Ladies and gentlemen, Kendrick Perkins. Yay, Perk! What up, Bairk? What up, fellas? What's happening?

Hey, are you ready for this evening? Are you ready for this evening? Are you pumped? Are you excited? How do you feel? It's the calm before the storm. The calm before the storm. Look, I just got off the plane, and I'm telling you right now, the energy is crazy. The energy is crazy.

It's one of one. I've been on social media more than I've ever been in my life just to look at the Nick fan base. They're crazy. Yeah, the weather's, the weather's perfect, too. I mean... Oh, it's sunny outside. It's sunny outside.

I thought about that. It's June in New York City, where, you know, not a lot of wind. I don't think that's kind of the thing. It gets a little sticky in there. It's going to be packed out. And, hey, we're going to be sued in Buden tonight, right? I'm right.

We're shooting in Buden tonight for the affair. We're coming tonight, right? You know, I got mine out. I got mine out. You know, hey, listen, Pat, let me tell you something. Back in the day when I used to be in school, you know, that first day of school outfit. You know, we used to stay flow our jeans

so we could have the hard crease and you used to put your clothes under your bed and you sleep on them so they could be real crispy. That's how my suit hanging up in the closet tonight. Look, real talk, I'm excited about experiencing this. You know why? Because I've been apart at five NBA finals. I obviously won the championship with the Boston Celtics.

But this energy that I'm getting from this Nick fan base, I'm ready to see what the hype is all about. Like, I'm ready to feel the energy in Madison Square Guard in the NBA finals, the energy around the arena. You can feel it getting off the plane. I felt it in the airport. I felt it in the lift. So I'm getting that, but I just want to be in the building.

I feel like it's one of those moments that you cherish. Grateful that we're part of it, because we're going to be live on location tonight. We live on location, baby, 8.30 sharp. That's right. People are saying we're going to be courtside. We are not. No, no.

We are not. We are up into 200 level and also up in the cloud. Yeah, up in the 900 level. Yeah, the toxic table is going to be up there on top of Madison Square Road. So we're going to have it all access for sure. We're going to have it certainly all access. We're going to be in there. I saw some people saying they're wasting court side seats on this.

We don't have courtside seats. No, we're paying $300,000. You think they're letting us in there? No way. We are very thankful to be in there. We're excited to be in there. And I think we are going to showcase the place. Okay, let's talk about the players. Jalen Brunson, never talked about as the MVP this year. It was SGA or Wembe. Wemby was actually giving presentations on the three points on why he should potentially be the MVP. Defense matters. I think this matters. If you were to play this, you're supposed to do it. And we all bought in, ourselves included. Certainly we aren't the most like authority on basketball, but we certainly bought in on it.

We didn't even bring up Jalen Brunson. This guy's outrageous, dude. And I should have remembered this, but I think during the off season, during football season, I forgot about what he did to the Pacers last year. Anytime the Knicks have lost, I don't think anybody's ever said it's Jaylon Brunson's fault. And always down the stretch in a bucket-making game, right? If you make buckets late, you're going to win the game. That's seemingly what this is.

That's all he does. Late in games, he makes it. Hasn't been great, basically, the rest of the games yet. I don't think he's had his best game yet. He's getting triple team, though, on every single time down the court. But down the stretch, the guy never misses. Is that just mentality? Is that guy?

Do you think he, how many of these guys are in the game? And why was he not talked about his MVP? Did he not have as good of a season as he's having a playoff right now? And we just didn't really see that. Well, the problem is, is that his numbers, they weren't eye candy. And when you compare it to the rest of the guys that was in the MVP conversation, that was just, their numbers was there. But that was part of the sacrifice that he did, you know, when they bought over Mike Brown.

Obviously, Mike Brown came in. he put in this new system where everybody was eating. Josh Hart, O.G. Anna Novi, McKell Bridges. So it somewhat took away from J.B., but I still think he would average 26 on the season. But let's be real here. Over the last two seasons, he's been the best player in the Eastern Conference. Like, if we look over the last two seasons, forget, you know, how far they, the run that they had last postseason going to the Eastern Conference.

If you just look at overall regular season, what he's done in the playoffs, over the past two seasons, he has been the best player in the Eastern Conference. He's definitely been one of the most clutch, if not the most clutch players. Like, I just think about even what he did against Philadelphia, what he's been doing against the 76ers over the last two years. And here it is now on the big stage. And guess what? We haven't even seen the best of him yet.

He still haven't had, to me, a good Jalen Brunson game. He had a good Jalen Brunson moment in the four quarter of game won, but he still haven't balled out. And when you think about his mentality, he gives me Kobe Bryant-type vibes. When you talk about his mentality, because it's not a shot that he's afraid that he's not going to take. It's not a player that's standing in front of him that he feel like he can't score over. And he's a three-level score, if you want to.

the Traybub, you want the mid-range, if you want post-ups at 6-2, he's going to give that all to you. That's J.B. Yeah, and he gets to his spot. You talk about him being 6-2. Yeah, 6-1-6-2. And he doesn't go faster than everybody. Nobody speeds him up.

He plays at his own pace. At his own pace. That's kind of what Chris Paul was talking about. Now, let's talk about the other superstar, certainly the one that is maybe being crowned already as the next superstar of the NBA. Let's go down to San Antonio with the alien that they have. Debuck, go ahead.

Yeah, Wimby, you're looking at the numbers, and he has decent numbers, I feel like, on the box score, but I haven't seen that moment in this series where he's dominate the game. All the superstars we've seen in the past, all the people that have been crowned, you can see them dominate games and dominate series. What do you want to see tonight from Wemby in Madison Square Garden to kind of take over the game? And how do you get him to that point where he can take over his game? Well, it's two things. It's two things.

One, I keep hearing everybody talk about, you know, him getting to the pain and him being dominant in the pain. it's not going to happen. It's hard. The Knicks game plan is to load up boxes and elbows. They're going to help weak side action. Yes, he's going to be able to score a couple buckets, but we're not going to see 15, 20. He has to be the defensive player of the year.

He has to be the defensive player of the year. Like, at some point, he's going to have to buckle down and match the intensity of Carl Anthony, Like, we gave a lot of heat to Chet Holmgren last series and rightfully so on the way that Winby, me, me too, on the way that Winby punked him. But one could argue Carl Anthony Towns is doing it to Winby right now, punking him on the big stage because Carl Anthony Towns is loud about it. He's loud about it.

He's talking noise. He's being aggressive. I've never seen anyone take Winby off the dribble as much. as I'm witnessing from Carl Anthony Towns right now. He's too comfortable with Winby Gordon him. And he's making them look like a defensive liability. I'm not saying that he is. I'm just saying what I'm witnessing.

And if this was Rudy, Pat, fellas, Rudy Goldberg, we would be giving Rudy the heat right now for not holding up on the defensive side of things when he won defensive player to year. So we got to keep the same energy. And certainly, Chad, homegred, too. which I think the way you say his name is incredible. And you talked about him a lot. Why do you think Carl Anthony Towns is having such a better kind of, you know,

showcase against Wemby? Is it because he's bigger body and he can body, but he can also shoot, obviously? Like why? Because you think about Hart and Stein, he kind of gave Wemby some problems, but we're not worried about him shooting three. No.

And he's not really wiggle, right? He's got that high floater mid-range thing he's got. Kacken hit from deep. He's also got body. Andy can wiggle. Is that why Wendy? I'm taking this personal, too. You can obviously see that he's taking this.

Just the same way we saw Winby taking it personal with Chet. Yeah. You see that out of Kat. And Kat is taking a lot of shit from everybody. Hey, getting the paint, stop being a guard, shooting through. And you see him kind of almost imposing his will on who everybody, because I'm sure he hears everybody crowned him Vic too. And Kat was that guy coming in, been in one pick.

But you can watch the game and see he's in the post game and the press. He's not talking shit. but his game, the celebrations, the eye contact, we see what happened. I don't know. Yeah, he's doing a lot of shimmian. I don't know him that well. They're muting because of him, right? He's the one that's swearing down there.

Like, he's the one that's every time he's down there, basically he's talked. I didn't know that about that. I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. And he is taking it personal. And you know what's crazy is every single time Kat has to go against another big that, you know, he feels like he's better than.

he always goes at them. Remember two years ago, you know, he somewhat outplayed Yokage in the semifinals when he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves. You know, Kat is playing with a chip on his shoulder. You got to remember, like, he was the number one pick. Minnesota traded them. And they could talk about, yeah, it was because the money that he was making.

Basically, y'all tapped out on him. Y'all tapped out on the guy that was giving y'all 25 points and 12 rebounds a night. and the New York Knicks embrace them. You don't think Tom's been listening and hearing all the gossip about Yoniz Antis Dacupo, you know, throughout the course of this season, should they trade cats, should they bring Yonis in? Now all of a sudden on the big stage, if the series ended tonight, I mean, no one could argue that he's the finals MVP. And he's getting it done on both ends of the floor.

It's not just what he's doing offensively, yes, tomato chest, tomato. chest, tomato chest with a couple of tray balls. But it's the other end. It's mono imano. I'm one-on-one defense. Wimbi, I'm sliding my feet. You can't get in the pain on me. You're not going to beat me off the dribble.

I'm bodying you up where you're not even getting the opportunity to get to the low block. And then I'm making you take tough contested tools and threes. And I'm barking. I'm barking. I'm barking loud. And I'm biting. Look at this. Who does this to Wemby?

Real talk. Who does this right here to Wemby? And then look at his reaction after it. I'm going to look at your eyes. Let me yell at. Yeah, I want it. I want it. And then here's the clip, too, of him obviously saying that Wembe can do nothing to him. Obviously, he was caught.

Yep, he can't. He can't. Yeah, this guy can't. I didn't know this was Katt. I like it. I had no idea this was Kahn. And I think the reason why he was kind of shoot out of Minnesota or whatever after being drafted, and then it goes to New York, Nickson. Obviously, last year we saw, I saw him running his ass back and forth. I did feel like he got a bit tired against the Pacers, just from watching it because the Pacers were running

like this. So maybe he wasn't in his most cat like, but I think everybody thought he was soft. Isn't that what everybody thought about? Oh, yeah. Everybody thought about cats. I didn't know he's the one that's muting the microphone because of what he's saying underneath with rebounds and blocked. I didn't know he's talking shit to Wembe like that. I had no idea. This is what cat is, especially because he has like a gentle giant face. You know, like the way he looks. I had no idea. He's killer under there. Yeah.

This guy real, especially in the finals, is the biggest stage. Yeah. He's talking his shit. He's dominating. He's beating the best player or the next best player in the world or whatever it is. It's like, what a moment for Kat this has to be. This has to feel really good,

especially obviously with his mom, his mom's putting away and everything out he is. I mean, this has to feel fucking awesome. Now, if you crumble. Oh, no. We don't want to bring that up. We don't want to bring that up. Best of Seven.

It's still a Best of Seven, though. We have to remember that. We don't know what Wendy's, going to do in this game. We have no idea what this guy's going to do in this thing. In the mecca, the world's most famous arena, the world. He's from Paris or whatever. He's grown up watching shit in Mads to Square Garden, understanding what this is. Now he's in the finals there, first time forever that the game has been played in New York City. Everybody understands that the stories of who you become, if you have a big time garden moment. It's like, this could

certainly be the case. Do you think that is possible? Or what do you think about what we've seen from Wemby over the last couple of games? Some people are saying he's done. Some people are saying Maybe he's cooked this. Whoa. Some people are saying he quit. Some people are saying he's done. I think that is crazy to think about because we know nothing about this guy. We don't know anything about this guy.

It's not like they were blowout games either. No. And the pass off the back, everybody immediately, because Kevin Garnett did kill him for a good reason. And by the way, Kevin Garnett certified. So whatever the hell he says, he's allowed to say. That is something he's a... So whatever he wants to say, he's allowed to say. But he made some good points.

He was like, hey, Wembe's crying after the Western Conference and all this. I don't want to see this shit. We need to win the entire thing. So that, Kevin Garnett, starts a narrative like, hey, maybe this guy did celebrate a bit early. Then he passes off a guy's back in the biggest moment, 10 seconds left in the finals. Everybody starts killing it. Like, yeah, he's not. And had a chance to win it after that.

Yeah. But Danny still has a shot, misses the shot, too. It's like, this guy isn't what we thought he was. I feel like he's a guy that hears all that, right? So we have no idea how Wemby's going to respond. This dude, this alien could go absolutely bananas tonight inside of Madison Square Garden. That is all possible, right, perk, or should I not think that that is all possible? I mean, he can, but, you know, I don't want to hear sweet nothings no more in the interview.

I don't want to hear those sweet nothings. Well, sad. Now it's time for him to show up. Because, let's be honest, over the last three games, if you go back even to game seven, Wembe has not been dominant. Like, in game seven of the conference finals, he had 22 points in seven rebounds. That ain't a dominant performance that, you know, we've grown to. like watch for watching wimby, but again, like, it's going to come down to his defensive impact.

Like, it's not just Carl Anthony Towns that's being aggressive and taking the ball to the basket. Jayne Brunson is getting to the rack too. McKell Bridges, O.G. and the Novi, like, the Knicks are doing whatever they want to do offensively. Guys are shining. McKell Bridges is having a great moment. Landry Shannon, yes, it's three-point shots, but they are mixing it up. So again, yes, this is the stage for Wemby to shine, but I do remind myself all the time that he's young, right?

And then you have to have a, I start to have a different level of respect for guys like Steph Curry and LeBron James when they was making, you know, when they was basically living in the NBA finals. And what you have to do, the preparation, what you have to do to sacrifice and to take care of your body to get to this point. because it is times that I do see Wemby looking for T. But the one thing that I would like to see from Wemby is, I don't know if it's going to come in this series,

but maybe this off-season, I need to see a signature post move at some point. What do you want it to be? Elbow to the throat? Bring that back. That's kind of his signature move. I mean, I need to see a jump hook or a running hook, some type of off the low block mid-posts,

something to show. show me that he has a signature move. I don't know what Wimby's signature move is. You're telling me if he was the boom bang. Oh, my. Call Kareem now. Where's that? Where's that?

Nine feet? Yeah. Is that at nine feet right there? Unstop. Yeah. Needed. Carim. It might be higher than nine.

Is that 10 feet? Is that a dunk, I guess? He's throwing it. Yeah, like a line drive. Oh, my. Two nothing. It looked like you. It looked like you could really get down in 24-hour fitness, though.

Like the footwork, the base, I'm checking you out a little bit. Athlete, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be handing out buckets in that low-posts in 24-hour fitness. You're not going to see me in the paint ever, but yes, I could if I had to. But, yeah, I mean, our studio has a basketball court in it, you know? I did see a lot of that. Come on down. Yeah, it's like, hey, yeah, we do sometimes get buckets as well. We understand the sport of basketball, okay?

We are. But, hey. We'll see tonight. we shall see. I'm excited for tonight. Let's not be ass. Let's be assets. Yeah. Here we go. Okay. Let's say. I like this. Yeah. That's our goal for tonight, huh? All right. Assets on three. Yep. One, two, three. Assets. Okay. Yeah, let's move on. Okay. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Perk. I love the Wembe fodder, and I don't know if you saw him drawing butterflies in Central Park,

but he does seem to be in a very good mindset. I believe he was with his sister. I don't know if he was drawing a statue. or Butterfly specifically, but he was seemingly calm. Here he is. They need to build benches for him. He does not fit on that bench. It looks miserable. But when it comes to Wemby and the Spurs in general, for Mitch Johnson, like, what is he going to do to maybe change up their game plan a little?

It feels like we went into this, you know, talking about Mitch Johnson being the next up-and-coming great coach and now, you know, down 2-0. Should he call a timeout after that rebound before Wemby throws the ball off of Castle's back? people are kind of debating that a little bit. Like, what do you expect out of Mitch Johnson to maybe change? Is he going to, hey, Wembe, if you don't move your ass to the block and stand there for 48 minutes, we're taking you out? Like, what is kind of the maybe adjustments they're going to make to what the Knicks have done?

Well, one, you down 02, so you have to do something. And I'm leaning more towards, you know, at some point, he has to release and let Dylan Harper is spread his wings. And when I say spread his wings, like, at some point, you've got to say, here, y'all fella, take over the show, handle your business. Because the one person that they haven't, that the Knicks, they haven't had an answer for, is Dillon Harper. Anytime he's gotten two feet in the paint, it's been a bucket.

This is a guy that you drafted with the number two overall pick. This is a guy that has been playing outstanding basketball offensively throughout the course of these playoffs and in the NBA Finals. One can say he's been their best offensive player consistently in the two games. On top of that, he's playing with a chip on his shoulder, right? He's from the New York area. He went to high school in New York. He went to Rutgers, college in New York.

His, I mean, like, and all of a sudden, you know, he grew up idolizing and being a fan of the New York Knicks, and now he's playing against them on the biggest stage. at some point, and I'm not saying it's De Aaron Fox, but at some point, one of those guys, and not Steph on Castle, but one of those guys need to move aside in that starting lineup, and Ms. Johnson

needed to let the young fella go ahead and spread his wings. I mean, he was so much fun to watch. Fuck it. Just came out. I mean, obviously, Rutgers guy, we knew he's in Big Ten. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we knew. We knew. We knew he was a big guy. The basketball player. But we didn't, we looked

into, I think his mom's a high school basketball, coach at Bosco, I think, which is a pretty big score. Bob Bosca? Yeah, and dad, obviously, five titles. And it's like, oh, this guy, he's Christian McCaffrey. This guy was created, literally to be. Older brothers in the league. And an NBA player.

So that's why in the finals, when he's going, ham, oh, yeah. Just look very casual and comfortable in the moment. It's like, oh, he's been here. Like, this is literally what he was, he's been preparing for his entire life. And then he goes to the bench. And it's like, all right, I was fun watching that guy. Yeah, bring him back.

That's what I was thinking of being. Then he comes back out and then start learning more of his story. And then everybody starts attacking Coach Johnson. I'm happy I don't have to be in that situation. Boy. I was not even just offense. Defensively, like his primary defense is strapped. Yeah, Ron's not going to let him.

You think high school coach mom and Ron Harper are going to allow him to not be great on the defense. I think he broke the Spurs still record. Was that the first series? He broke the record for most points, rebounds assist by a rookie. Yeah. John is the sixth man of the year, right? Yeah. Yeah, and he's been nowhere.

Six man of the year on the team. You got Harper on the team. Got the Aaron Fox on the team. It's like Mitch Johnson. Hey, fucking. National chant. Sit down to Aaron Fox. Come on.

You got to do it. Sorry. Have you seen what he's owed in the next few years? Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, he's on the court. He's gone. He's banged up. All right, Perk.

We'll see you tonight, man. We can't wait to get in there with you. We appreciate the hell out of you. Let's get it. I'm ready. Hey, it sounds like the city's ready. Are you, Per? Do you bring that title ring?

Hey, what's the mantra? What's the mantra for tonight? What's you mean? Okay. We live on location, Pat. No. No, what's the mantra? What's the mantra of tonight for us?

Let's not be ass. Oh, that's not assets on three. One, two, three. Assets. Kendrick Parkins, we appreciate it. It's actually not a bad line. It's not not be asses. Because that's what we are trying to be tonight.

And ass at the sport. We are an alternate cast trying to bribe provide some stuff maybe that the main cast isn't, but also it's the game. It's not us. Yeah, that's right. The game is what we have learned through field pass is the importance. Speaking of the game and field pass,

what we were able to do for college football was certainly something we love because we got a chance to experience everything that makes college football great and college sports great, alone the passion and tradition and pageantry and everything like that, but also the integrity of college football. That's right. It's something that obviously we love. Oh, yes.

But a lot of people are starting to want. That was a different time, wasn't it? Yeah, because we got obviously, you know, we got a lot of money infiltrating. We got contracts that seemingly have no cap, but also no guarantees in them for them to be paid if player doesn't do great. We hear great stories about how much guys are getting paid,

but we very rarely hear the story about guys going in transfer portal, signing bad deals, not getting money, and also foregoing 20, 25% of their future earnings with somebody that was a bad. So we're in a crazy time right now in college sports, but the product is incredible. The athletes, remarkable. Best ever.

Seemingly, the training and the ability to get better is at a higher point than it's ever been anything we could fathom. Every sport has gotten better. I'm watching softball, and they're talking about a pitcher doing something that's never been done before. I'm like, of course.

We got every sport. We are at a great spot, especially in college. But is it going to kill itself? Joining us now is the authority on college sports. And I'll tell you what, a man is going to be able to give us a lot of information about an injunction that was upheld by a judge, Ken. Cool, Ken Curry.

Ken Curry. Let me double check that. It is Curry. It is. It is. A university of Houston grad, I believe, from Fort Worth, Texas, who is the second judge that was placed on the Brendan Sorsby injunction of the NCAA suspending him for gambling. First judge was recused from the case because I guess there was a bunch of Facebook

photos of him throwing up the double gun. Yeah. So they said that. They did the right thing. Can't do that. That feels like that's out of a movie. We thought they weren't. We thought it was going to be like a movie.

We thought they were going to put the Texas Tech Judge in there. Tech Judge is going to hear the NCAA and go, that's cute. What do you want to do? You won't play ball for Texas Tech? Yeah, sweet, you're in. It seemed like, of course, it would be super cruel. Judge recuses himself. University of Houston judge comes in.

Okay, out of Fort Worth, Texas. Now, we were getting a ruling just one day after the NCAA basically comes out and says, this guy's not allowed. Okay, this is not, we're not doing this. This judge comes out and says, actually can play. Ladies and gentlemen, to tell us more about that and what this means for the future of sport, what does this mean for a game? The authority of college sports from college game day, Pete Famol.

Yay! Dude, I try my best to lay out kind of the scene for everybody. Now, if you could fill in the gaps and also let me know what today means. So a judge, the second judge that was put in for this case, heard everything and ruled that Sorsby is. allowed to play and also said the NCAA is prohibited, actually, from stopping him from playing. Can you tell us more about how we got here and what we think this means for a precedent going forward?

Well, Pat, thanks for me. This is certainly an unprecedented day in the history of college sports. And I don't want to sound overdramatic here. But gambling has always been a thick red line. And the fact that Brendan Shoresby, who admitted to placing thousands of. bets for $90,000, including 40 bets on his own team while he was at Indiana. The fact that he is going to be or has been legally cleared to play college football this season at Texas Tech is simply something that we've never seen before.

And it's the latest manifestation of one of the biggest issues in college sports right now, Pat, which is local rulings overruling what the NCAA rules are supposed to be. And this one feels the most significant, Pat, because gambling cuts different than, a medical red shirt than an age argument like the Bettyaco case for example. I don't think I've gotten more text on my phone about a breaking root news story, unprompted ever or certainly not in the last like five years. I mean, my phone did not stop ringing. And the general tenor pat around college athletics, I would say, is one of disgust.

One big 12A.D texted me today. We lost our soul today. And look, like, there was a lot of, there was a lot of hyperbolic reaction to this, but gambling had always been the, I joked, it was like the Goodwill hunting thing. You had a cop, you're going to jail. There were always significant consequences for gambling, and that changed today because of this. Now, Brendan Sorsby's case argued successfully by Jeffrey Kessler, who was often successful against the NCAA, laid it out very clearly. They laid it out as a mental health case. And they won.

the NCAA is expected to appeal this case. Now, whether the timeline of that appeal matches with when it matters is what remains to be seen, correct? Like the NCAA could get a hearing in February, and Brendan Sourzzi will have to combine. He doesn't have to go. It doesn't matter. It would be rendered moot. And that had always been sort of part of the expectation with this is if the temporary injunction was granted. Then once the injunction was granted, he would roll in play.

and then everybody would kind of move on. So we'll see if the timeline of that gets expedited in Lubbock County. I've certainly reason to be skeptical of that. But yeah, this is certainly a day pat that is certainly going to have ripples for a long time. Well, thank you for putting your big boy pants on and your big boy tie on to break this news, because obviously this will be something referred to in the future with these types of situations as the day in which a player who gambled on his own team. Wow.

was ruled to continue to be allowed to play. That is a crazy thing. Just as somebody, and now granted, I'm sitting with a draft king's helmet in front of me. And I mean, ESPN logo is over my head on a beautiful LED board,

obviously in this entire thing. So like me saying that can easily be attacked by people, that this is what sports gambling is. This is what sports gambling is. It's like, no, sports gambling is going to be very prevalent in sports going forward. Okay?

we just need to understand that it has been very prevalent in sports for a long time in a lot of cities. Okay, I know some people grew up in cities where maybe it wasn't, but sports gambling has been very prevalent in a lot of places for a lot of sports fans for a long time. Now with it being obviously federally legalized and monitored and everything, you can track and keep up with bets and there's, you know, restraints I can put on there. But I don't think with how easy it is to gamble, we should ever say it's okay for athletes to be gambling on the sports in which they're playing.

Because then it's all over. All of it's over. everything is completely over. And people are going to attack me as a former player for saying that with this traffic, it's like, no. Like, I'm a retired player. I'm very lucky to be on the internet and on TV talking every single day about it.

This is a very real part of sports coverage and sports as a whole. I mean, the line and everything is talked about and has been talked about forever, but now it's a very part of society and the sports culture and it's only going to be more. So we would like to be a avenue for like responsible gambling. Like, hey, don't be assholes. Okay, we're not trying to do this.

This is just a part of it. if you want to make the game a little bit more interesting, you're good. But that doesn't mean that I ever think that a player should ever potentially put the outcome of everything in doubt. Like the ref case with the NBA, that almost ruined the NBA. Yeah. It's still held over there. We took them several years. Still held over the head.

It's like when you lose the thought that this is actual competition, everything's over. So I just, and I think I feel that way because I've had to sit through all the fucking things about don't eat rose. You know? And it's like, yeah, don't actually. And to all the guys that are playing sports right now, I know how hard it's to say no, especially if you're at the bottom of the roster, you can make more money quickly.

And obviously there's ways, they're going to find out. You're going to get caught. And it's going to be a terrible situation, which I think is what Texas Tech is saying. It's like, this guy had an addiction problem. Like he was addicted to this clearly. Look at his thing.

60,000 bets. This guy did this entire thing. He came forward to, and maybe after once he thought things were going to happen, once a rehab came forward, was very loose with it or very open with everything. And they're like, I think what they're saying is,

So now we're going to shun people from the future from being like transparent about their transgressions and their young boys become immense. Like, man, I guess there's so many different arguments. But for me, the sport, the sport needs to remain like we can't be thinking that every game is great. It just can't happen. We talk about the integrity game so much. And when we're in those locker rooms, obviously you had different violations, whether it was performance enhance and drugs. But the main thing that we were most afraid of was the gambling thing. It was something we would never even think about.

about getting into an entire locker room. So, yeah, here now where we are in the media space, of course we have the partnership and all that type of shit. But when you're talking about, we used to call it Protecting the Shield in the NFL. To me, in my opinion, this is bullshit. This is absolute bullshit. Now, do I want the kid to be able to play football? Do I want his entire future ruin?

No. But to set this precedent for guys in that locker room doing this type of sit is definitely bullshit. But what was the mental health, I guess, argument, Pete, if you can go a little bit more to that tweet? So the mental health argument, Debutt, was fairly, was fairly linear. Brennan Sorosby obviously went to an inpatient rehab facility in Arizona for 35 days, and Jeffrey Kessler argued that being away from the team would hurt his recovery. And they call it irreparable harm.

That was really the legal argument that was here. They said, you only, you know, not playing college sports again would be irreparable harm. Now, Judge Curry from Tarrant County, which is 300 miles from Lubbock, as Pat noted earlier, did not really give a lot of valid legal reasons. When I checked in with some lawyers today who obviously read a lot more of these rulings than you and I do, guys, they just basically said the judge was a little light on the wise in the house. And that's just, that's the way it was. It was only a four-page ruling. So the judge didn't get into a ton other than basically agreeing with that. that core argument from from Kessler and anyone.

Soresby will be suspended for two games. Texas Tech opens with Abilene Christian at home, then travels to Oregon State Week 2. I don't know. I don't know if he's suspended. Is he? Well, that's what it says in the legal paperwork. And the one thing that...

Does it? Does it say that? It really does. Yeah, it really does. Okay, because I thought that that was just what they offered up to the NCAA as like an original... Like an original... Yeah. So if you look at number five,

It's a little fuzzy on my screen, but it says not participating in game day of the first two games, the Texas Tech 20, 26 football season. So, and that is what initially when Swarzby's camp engaged with the NCAA, that's what they proposed. They said, okay, you know, he will become the face of this. He will speak out about gambling, addiction. And, you know, that was sort of the start of what we assumed would be like a back and forth potentially counteroffer. Now, the NCAA didn't really engage on that. The NCAA said pretty clearly in their court filing, they didn't feel like Brendan Sour's B should play again.

They drew a very clear line, which was not expected. It was not unexpected, right? The NCA doesn't want what you and Debutter are referring to here. They don't want other ripples of this case. They need those lines to be clear and bright to operate as an organization. And quite frankly, look, I've heard from everybody today, commissioners, coaches, different folks, these billion-dollar television deals that, you know, run college sports, much like they run professional sports, run because people believe that the games have integrity to them.

So look, yes, it's very clear. So I don't want to be too hyperbolic and, you know, say the world is, the world is ending today because I don't really think that's a case. But what this does, it just continues to open up the possibilities, Pat, for what local judges can do for schools. and area judges can do for schools. On that note, Tone has a question for you, Pete. Yeah, Pete, we've obviously seen how that worked out today for Texas Tech.

And then Trinidad, Chambliss and Olmiss, it worked out kind of in a similar way. So the NCAA basically has no power. That's kind of what we've found out here because they ruled two days ago that he's ineligible. And then today the local judge overturned that. And he is eligible. Thank God he's got two games suspension. At least there's some sort of something. Sure.

Sure, I guess. But like, they have no power. How much are schools going to test everything now? And how much, and how important now, who Cody Campbell is actually a big part of is the Save College Sports Act, that they're now that they're talking about in D.C. Yeah, it's, it's pretty interesting. So, look, I had a coach call me within 10 minutes of this breaking today and be like, why can't I go sign an NFL player? Like, why can't I get, guy gets cut off the practice squad somewhere? Why can't I sign him and get a local judge put him in?

So, look, we'd be naive to think there's not going to be continued tests of the NCAA rules. Now, NCAA President Charlie Baker came out today and said, we need congressional help, right? And that has been throughout all these cases, sort of what the NCAA has said. We need help enforcing our rules. In theory, any college sports bill that passes should be able to eliminate these local rulings and help the NCAA through an antitrust exemption enforce its own rules. Whether the Protect College Sports Act actually does that remains to be seen. I've heard varied things, and that's obviously above my pay grade legally, whether this actual act that is being discussed right now, the Cruz Cantwell bill, would actually prevent something like this.

And obviously, it's interesting you bring up Cody Campbell. He'd been a big factor in the Sorsby situation behind the scenes, and he's also in D.C. lobbying against something that just occurred here. So it is, you know, it's a fascinating moment in time right now because at the school level, those who are aggressive, view this as a free-for-all. And look, we've seen the competitive nature of these college sports, these college teams. Look, Texas Tech's president was behind this. It's a perj.

You can't. There's no rules. You can't change. You call, Coach Candle. Boom. What are you boo? Let the boys play. Look, the kid made a mistake.

All right? 2022, it was bad year. He was at Indiana. I don't give a shit. I want to see the best players on the field. And I want Texas Tech to continue to be a different program. Okay. Yeah.

You're not saying it. This can happen. It sucks. I agree. I'm not saying that you can. You can bet on your own team and then the playbook is kind of just big. Hey, say your feelings are going to be hurt and you can't do it. And then they'll suspend you two games and you can play.

No, well, the suspension of two games is actually what Texas Tech offered up. Yeah. For this. So they didn't even do that. Abilene Christian and Oregon State. Well, Abilene Christian, people think it's going to be like IU this year. Okay. People think they're going to be good.

No way thinks that. It might be Texas week. We appreciate you coming in here and thanking us of all of this. It's a crazy day in the history. and obviously Soresby, like, we are very pumped that you got the help in our on the other side of this entire thing. And we thought he would go on to have a good NFL career in the supplemental draft. Like, we thought there was no way that college would let him back in there. Him get another opportunity.

And him going on and like spreading the word of what could possibly happen and what your life could become is obviously good as we continue to transition into this era of sports gambling being a part of everything. You're the man. We appreciate you. That's the authority. Ladies of gentlemen, Pete Dammle. It's just very real. Like, it's a part of sports. It's a part of society.

Not for the players, it shouldn't be. Agreed. No, but I'm... Ever. That's what I know. It's like, we have to just... We're allowed to continue to have a society that's evolving with sports gambling becoming more and more prevalent, which it is, and it has been for a long time in a lot of different cities.

The city I'm from, I'm not going to say it's because there's a lot of Italians there, but... However. Shout out of us. There's a shit ton of Italians there. Normally, if you go to a places that have a plethora of pizons, there is normally going to be at least some conversations around it all. But that doesn't mean that we should ever think it's okay for players to be gambling. That is not a good, that is, there is a clear can't do it.

Or coaches or trainers, anybody in that building. Like that just can't happen. That's why it has to be congressional. And their teammates don't want to happen either. Like, I don't want to know that my teammate is gambling on this. Especially when you look at how they've been dealing with like Iowa, what was it, two years ago. They had a two-year starter at T-Tackle.

He bet on the women's basketball team when they were going to the final four. That got found out. he got suspended the whole year. And that was from the NCAA? Exactly. And it turns out Iowa could have just said, yeah, fuck that. No.

Wrong. How about that? Exactly. And that's what the NCAA is kind of been chirping. Charlie Baker had a response about how this is what, yeah. You see what I'm saying? We need it.

We need help. It's crazy. That is crazy. Sores me once again, though, happy for you. Turn your life around. Happy you're in a much better place. Legitimately, very happy you're in a better place. Happy again to play football again.

We thought it would be in the NFL. For college, boys can't happen. Girls can't happen. Wait. Let's do the sports. it's finals Monday. Sports are the absolute greatest. Shout to Jibman,

Jibman, obviously showcasing this beautiful studio that we are in. We have an opportunity, obviously, to go live here from the home of sports media since 1979, Bristol, Connecticut. Fascinating place, beautiful campus. Obviously, the cafeteria. Oh, man, not notch.

Had cheese steak yesterday, personal pan pizza. Gordon, a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich. The people working back there are very quick, very efficient. Take a lot of orders. Speaking of that, a lot of people here. A lot of people on this campus. Thanks for everything, guys.

Hell you. Hey, you guys. Thank you guys. Hell yeah. They're so locked in. You say hello, don't expect one back. They're thinking of the next idea. They're figuring out what needs to be done.

Wi-Fi don't work. Wait 20 minutes. Watch this. It's going to be better than you've ever experienced in your entire life. That's the toxic table at Boston Corner and that guy Schmidt. one half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Ton is here. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler, Dibut.

Huge day in the history of our program is tonight. We'll be NBA finals. Yeah. I'll say NFL. That'd be cool, too. Yeah. Keep your eyes peeled. How many days away, you know, man.

We will see how tonight goes, obviously. NBA finals, all access as we go inside the garden for game three as the Knicks are up two over the San Antonio Spurs. Jalen Brunson, the potential god of N. New York City for the rest of his life has a home finals game. We're going to be there as Wemby gets a chance to showcase who he is. Okay, this is a real moment here of us learning exactly who Wembe is. In the world's most famous arena, will he respond?

Will he answer? Will the San Antonio Spurs young bunch be able to bounce back after kind of a juvenile mistake with 10 seconds left in the game? Jaylon Brunson obviously gets the steal off of Castle's back where Wembe does it. And then Barry's home, the take the lead shot, which then Wembe could have answered and miss. It's like everybody's calling Wembe maybe a fugase. No.

Yeah, they are. People are saying a lot of rude stuff about Wembe, and I don't like it. As somebody who thinks he is an alien, as he is the next person that we need to go ahead and enjoy the ride alongside of in the sports world because he's 7 foot 4 and has the capability to do things nobody else in the history of sports has. Yep. He's big. He's bigger than you. He's faster, seemingly smarter. He's more in touch with the universe and his soul.

And every once in a while, pass it off his teammates back where he thinks he potentially wants it. That's a point guard 10 seconds left, maybe a little bit late. His castle turns up where's going to go. Jalen Brunson's also. standing right there, hits him in the back, as if this was a pickup basketball game somewhere at Equinox or L.A Fitness or 24-hour fitness. And instead, that's at the NBA finals. How does he respond? We shall see. We'll be in there tonight, team. We shall see. I'm excited, man. But Wimby, obviously, you know, people are or have been crowning them for all the right

reasons. He loves the game. He's bigger. He's faster. He can dribble. He can shoot. He can do everything. But history kind of has shown us over the years, even with the great ones. The first time they get here, it's tough to get over there hump, even maybe the second time. It takes a while. It took MJ, what, seven years to finally get there. LeBron, I think he got to the finals at 22. I believe he got swept his first time. So, yeah, he got some bumps in the road. And Mike Brown, we talked about everybody on that next side of the ball as far as players go.

But firing Tom Tibado and then going to get Mike Brown a two-time champion is all right. He's been great for this team. All the things that we've seen from Kat, from OG, from Mikkel, from how they're even attacking offensively against this defense and this defensive freak in the paint. That comes from the top with Mike Brown. and you can tell this team is locked in. I'm interested to see how the young Spurs respond on the road. I'm also interested to see how these kind of savvy vets to the NICS organization respond at home as well in front of this crowd,

but I can't wait to be in the building tonight. Also, stats tell us that the under has been doing rather well. So that means tonight, guess what? We like the over, tone. Why do we like the over? Yeah, because it's due. Yeah, the first couple games of the series have gone under, and it's been on the last 43 finals games.

70% of the games have gone under. So it's due for an over, especially this is the first time we're back in the garden this century. Yeah? All 2000s, we've never been in the garden. Guys love shooting at the garden. People love scoring at the garden in front of all these people paying 10 grand a pop for it to get in for tickets in front of all these stars. Hoops going to look really big tonight, okay? That's flying over tonight, potentially.

Okay. I hope so. Potentially. Potentially. Let's be responsible. It's not be asshole. here, okay, read this entire thing, gambling problem. Call 1,800 gambler, okay?

Do it. No, got good summer coming out. Yeah. Great summer coming up. Don't need to be feeling like an idiot. I've called their great people. What's that? The gambler people?

Yeah, one hundred people. Well, also, Draft Kings has a video they show you that basically breaks down what's happening to you in real time and then they say, would you like to put a little self-handicap on yourself? Certainly should utilize that option if you get there. And also, don't be scared to bet 10, 5, whatever, whatever it is. A couple shackles. It's good.

It still makes the game better. And guess what you got, the crime? That's right. So tonight, 216 and a half points, we're looking for the over. We are looking for this thing to be celebrating time. It went back down to 215. That's big. Okay, it's at 2.15 and a half.

And it's also at minus 2.5 now again. Okay. And it's minus 1.5. It's changing it as we speak. Okay, so we're live odds to kind of take a place. Whenever we want live, the Knicks were favored by 2.5. We're live for four minutes. It went to 1.5.

Now it's back to 2.5. Spread 2.16 and a half. thing goes to 2.15 and a half. Now it's back to 216. What does that mean? A lot of money coming in? A lot of questions happening by the Graph Kings. What's happening? As we sit this second, it's one and a half and two 16 and half. It's been moving literally all the time. Earlier in the day, the Knicks were getting over 60% of the money in the bets and now it's 50-50. So I mean, it's when you get to these NBA finals and you get to the Super Bowl and all these huge things, like there's people

betting a ton of money. So there's a lot of swings in the money and the percentages and the any odds just because, you know, the draft or the sports books, they have to, you know, kind of mitigate the risk for all of their things. So they're always trying to get 50-50 on both sides as far as money is concerned. But yeah, there's a lot of big bets coming in. Obviously, New York, you got a lot of money there. Texas, you got a lot of money there. So, yeah, we're going to see some movement all day long.

I like a little bit of action happening on these live lines. Shout the draft kings, obviously, providing us their lines. And also a platform for us to gamble responsibly, which we would like you to do. do the over with us if you'd like to ride with everything we have going on. Shout out to points tonight. Shout out to celebration. Let's go to the NFL. Some big news happened over the weekend. Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are not going to be negotiated once training camp starts. This is not abnormal. I think people try to make this

seem like this was a bigger deal than it actually was. They're not anywhere close. And then there was reports that he's asking for 65 million a year. And then his people came out and said, I'm not asking. We're not asking for 65 million a year. Where are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offer. How long ago did Baker sign a deal with Tampa Bay? It felt like it wasn't that long ago, but it was a shorter deal, obviously, because now he's in his third chapter, which has become his home in his perfect place. We've heard Jason like the general manager come out and say that he absolutely loves Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield is a perfect quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Obviously they lose Mike

Evans, so maybe there aren't a little bit of a turnover, but they still have incredible offensive weapons all over the place, including Rubin Bain, I believe, getting drafted for the defensive side. So whenever you think about the Tampa Buccaneers, any NMC South, you like them. You think Baker and, Tampa Bay like each other, then this news comes out and get a little bit worried. I don't think we're anywhere near done negotiating. If you say in training camp, we still got time. And there's been a lot of players that have said, I don't want to go into the season

negotiating because that's a lot of drama. Like, I don't want to do that. So I would like this to be done by training camp. And if not, we'll wait until after season. I don't think it's necessarily the most negative thing on earth that this has happened. The last guy I can remember, at least, that end up getting paid with Jamar Chase. I think then he going to the year and didn't get paid. And then he broke the bank and reset the market at $40 million at the wide receiver.

So yeah, this is not abnormal. It is abnormal with a franchise quarterback, though, or guys that we deem or view as franchise quarterbacks, especially in the age range that Baker Mayfield is in. I'm sure him and his team feel like, look, I approve myself, I've earned it. You want that security going into the season, especially, like you said, losing a guy, a pillar like Mike Evans.

Nobody thought we haven't talked about that at all. I know. Nobody who talks about the San Francisco 14 years having Mike Evans. You look at Baker as, you know, obviously he's a franchise quarterback, but he should be that next pillar with Levanti David, retiring, Mike Evans going on. So you got him, you know, your booker probably going to be the number one Godman.

So I expected something to get done and we still have time up until a training camp. But if he goes in the training camp, I mean, that's just more motivation for a guy that seems like he's always got some type of chip on his shoulder when he's playing the game. Yeah, and it's also tough too, just because they have so many guys that they still have to pay. Not even the guys you listed, but like Vita Vaya, we're assuming it's probably going to get the... I love Vita. Let's give him the ball more. Maybe now that Mike Evans is in on the office.

Let's get a little bit more V-to-A-Vey on the offensive game plan. Put him on offense, but it would make more sense to Pay Baker now, right? Like you have, we talk about the, you know, the quarterbacks being on the rookie deal being such a big deal. But we just mentioned Abuka. They're going to have a number one receiver on a rookie deal. So that kind of frees up a little bit of space. I think Kate Aughton, who's on the screen right now, I believe he is back. I think he got a deal in free agency from Tampa Bay.

So if there was ever a time, it's right now. Big news. Chicago Bears coming to Indiana. Yes. Let's go. Kind of feels like it. Come on. Doesn't just feel like it.

Yeah, the Bears boarded directors to vote a Thursday to advance the stadium development in Hammond, Indiana, with the exact to be selected. The exact location probably to be selected. This is the first time that the Bears board has voted on any stadium site. As one source said, there is more work to do, but barring anything very strange, it's a done deal. Now, remember, Governor Braun of Indiana came on our show at the Combine

and said, like, Chicago, they're not going to be able to put together a deal. That's better than our deal. They've been trying to do it for three years. He said, so this, basically a done deal. But we thought that Kevin Warren, who I don't know how everybody in Chicago feels about him. I think they're

calling it to Warren first. He could potentially go back to Big Ten football if you want to kind of dive in there. I don't think we're very well liked by that particular office, but obviously he was working on the sweets mojo. Fongchua. Yeah, Fongt. He was John Faffering there for a little bit, had his hands and everything. But we appreciate the fact that Indiana

is becoming a home of two NFL football. Yeah. Now, granted, the way the deal was set up by Governor Braun is in a fashion in which there's going to be taxes that are going to pay back. The bears don't have to put a lot of upfront money at all up into this thing. You're going to have a brand new stadium. They're going to have plazas and areas

and shops and malls. I assume there's going to be hotels. They're going to create this Chicago land attitude and they're not going to change the name, obviously. But it did move into a state that was being a lot more friendly with the economic benefits that could take place. And Indiana's always been like this. Indiana's open for business is one of the main taglines

basically since the beginning. There's a lot of international business that happens in Indiana. there's a lot of hubs to a lot of businesses in the logistics world in Indiana because there's good tax breaks. It's not zero percent state income tax, but they like business. Indiana likes entrepreneurs. Farmers are some of the most old school business people of all time. So it's like Indiana has always been able to say that we do good business, but now it's actually being shown. Like years and years and years of Illinois's government trying to put something together for the Chicago Bears to stay there.

All changes and gets an answer quickly because I think it took them like two months, Indiana, to kind of piece this deal together. Don't blame. We want you. And it's not even, and people are saying the Indiana taxpayers are not going to pay the bill. It's like, nah, the way it's drawn up from our understanding, the governor told us is that area basically is going to have taxes on food, hotels, hotel, all that. That money is what's going to be used to pay it all back. But Indiana has certainly given billions to kind of front this entire thing.

They're betting on the long-term investment. They'll still be able to get the taxes. And I think long-term, the bears are going to be able to make a lot of revenue. If this works out how it should, okay, how Governor Braun and the team at Indiana, the state government put together, this should be beneficial to both states, or both kind of entities here, and hopefully we'll see if that's the case. But Indiana get another team is crazy. That sucks.

Chicago Bears coming to Indiana is insane, but it is like, it's only 20 minutes down the road. The way they describe it's like, we're trying to create the area, you know, because that whole area calls themselves Chicago anyways. I think Chicago land is like a conversation up there. 20 minutes. But it is crazy. 20 minutes. Yeah, it's 20 minutes.

You go to like 2.30 a.m. Yeah, right. 3m. No traffic. I think maybe 15. It's going to take an hour and a half to get there from the city, you know, now. It was closer than the one in Illinois that they're potentially going to go to from downtown Chicago. It felt like there was never going to be really an offer that the Chicago Bears were going to feel terrible, not accepting from Chicago or from Illinois. And as soon as Indiana got in there, that felt like Governor Braun came on our show and was like,

they're never going to be able to compete with our deal. And it was like, no, well, don't you think they're going to use your deal as leverage? And he goes, yeah, sure, if that's what they want to do. But there's no way they'll get it past. They were close a couple times, right? And there was opposition that came through. And it's like, I think this is going to take a little bit. Chiefs are moving to Kansas.

Bears are now Kansas City Chiefs, not that big of a deal, but Missouri's been the home of that team for a long, long time. Beginning a time, beginning a football, basically. They're going to Kansas. Bears come into Indiana. Obviously, New York teams are all in New Jersey. It's a fascinating little thing. Indiana becoming a home of two NFL teams, I think, just points out the business of Indiana,

just being like, hey, we would like your business here, and we'll be willing to make things work. Yeah, right now, I put it in. It's 33 minutes from Soldier Field to Hammond right now. And now Hammond is south, obviously. So if you're one of those northern suburbs, you're absolutely screwed. Good luck getting into a game these days. But, you know, it doesn't feel right that the Bears are not going to be there. Now I get it.

All these teams are still doing it with all these within the casinos, and it's going to be great for the team. It's going to be great for their business. It just, it doesn't feel right. But even great for the team, great for the business, and it will take time. I don't think you can emphasize how awesome it is when your team has like an entire little town. Like for New England and Patriots Place, like same with even the Cowboys, same with Lambo and Green Bay. Like having an entire, yeah, because there's legendary, but I'm saying like. That's a Packers fan talking about the Bears right now.

No, no. I feel bad for like they're the New England Patriots. So all of New England claims them. So it's like they don't need to be in Boston. They don't need to be like it. The Bears are one of the oldest teams in the NFL. And I get it. We've talked about it.

I mean, financially sure, it makes a lot more sense. It's bullshit that they couldn't figure out a way or see eye to eye on something to keep the bears in Chicago. Joining us now on Northwestern grad. Obviously, a man who has a lot of roots in Chicago, but also certainly deep in New York City. Ladies and gentlemen, New York Knicks fan. And a man who's never won a sports Emmy. What? or nominated.

Yeah, I don't know if he's been nominated, has he? Mike Greenberg. Hey. That's correct. I have not welcome to New York, guys, although you are, well, you're as close to New York as Hamid,

Indiana, is to Chicago. That's what they say. That's what they say. Greenie, tell me about that. Tell me about that. Obviously, you've been covering sport in setting the conversation for sport for what, 50 years now or something.

You look younger than ever, but you've been doing this a long time. Teams do move. I mean, we just mentioned the chiefs are moving to Kansas. Nobody really cares because it's Kansas City Chief, so Kansas, we're okay with that. Some people probably thought it was in Kansas to begin with, but it was in Missouri. That feels like a bigger deal for the history of the game as opposed to, like, public outrage.

Chicago Bears going to Indiana, though, insane. I think even when Governor Braun came on during a Combine, it was so confident that the Bears were going to Indiana, we as people who live in Indiana and obviously enjoy the state, love the state, I even felt a little bit weird about it. I couldn't even imagine how your friends that you know that are Bears fan, or maybe even you feel as somebody that lived in Chicago and has history in Chicago. Your thoughts on this? And is there anything like this in the past? So my tweet is on the screen. I posted that on Friday when I saw this news.

So in my childhood, my favorite team, of course, is the New York Jets and football. And they played in Shea Stadium, which is in Queens, which is in New York City. And they moved after the 1983 season. So I was a sophomore in high school. The first really good run of Jets playoff that I ever got to see took place in Shea Stadium. And when they moved to New Jersey, it broke my heart. And what I posted, what's on the screen that you'll see there is it's never the same again. And I spent a lot of the weekend thinking about that. And here's what I don't know.

What I don't know is, was it the fact that they moved out of the city or was it the fact that they moved at all? That stadium had been the only stadium I had ever known. It's the only place I'd ever gotten. It's a place that my father and I sat next to each other every Sunday, no matter how cold it was, no matter how bad the jets were. and when I was little, the Jets were always bad. And I think it probably had more to do in retrospect with the stadium than it did with them moving out of the city. Now, I'll say this. We were all just in your beloved hometown of Pittsburgh, Pat, for the draft.

And there's something so magnificent about having all of those stadiums right in the city. And I wish more than anything as a city person that that were possible, that you could find a way in Chicago. to do that. But I'm with you in that it just had become painfully obvious that there was never going to be a way that was going to work out that was going to make people satisfied. The move to Arlington Heights, I don't think was going to be appreciably better for anybody. So what I wonder now, I sort of regret posting what I posted because I don't know if what upset me so much or what changed everything so much for me was that they left the city or was that they just moved out of the only stadium I had ever know. Yeah, the nostalgia of that stadium is obviously something that you always think about. And it wasn't moving and you just mentioned Pittsburgh having everything figured out. You're right. Including some of the meteorologists, you know, that was a big thing this way. The storms come and go. I think, by the way, safe decision is made even though it gets really pissed off about that. Also signed autographs so 1 a.m.

Yeah, the night before, nobody's talking about it. But, okay, nonetheless, the injures are going to be pissed. Ingers and people from that area are going to be pissed. I think if that, if they end up having a storm and something terrible happens, I mean, that is. Yeah, not good. And it's obviously not great. But nobody's going to see that whenever it was a perfect night, I guess. But when three rivers went down, okay, when three rivers went down, that was like an emotional moment.

When the igloo went down in Pittsburgh, it was like an emotional moment. I think what you're saying is the place potentially has the memories. It's like Soldier Field is obviously always going to be something that is going to be remembered as the home of the Bears. In Chicago land, wherever they're building over there, can always try to replicate Soldier Field, but they'll never be Soldier Field. It's always going to be the thought, I think. But to Conner's point, down there in Jerry World,

where they got everything, he owns everything. Up in New England, when you're at Patriot Plaza, you're staying at the hotel there, you're shopping at his stores, you're going into this, you're with all like-minded people, you know, in Lambo, everybody that's there is because of the Packers. There's a museum to go see things.

There's this to go do that. If they end up doing that, I think inevitably it'll be worth a trip in there, especially if Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson continue to be good. That's a big part of this. Maden cover. Have to be good at football. Yeah, Caleb is on the Madden.

That's a good thing. superstar. His team is in Indiana in the future. But they got to be good. If they're good, this could become a very special, special, special thing for Bears fans. But if they don't fill those museums up and fill the stores up and everything like that, it's just going to be a big you remember when they made a terrible decision. But it's all about if they're good or not. Is it not greeny? If they're good, nobody will care. Yes. People will care. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I don't want to speak like that again. The Bears are a founding franchise of the National Football League. They've been around since the late 20s.

So there will always be and are always Bears fans, not just in Chicago, but all over the country and all over the world. And that will never change. And a new generation of fans will be born that won't remember Soldier Field. Look, most people who are listening to this conversation don't know that the Bears haven't played at Soldier Field since 1912 when it was built or whatever. The Bears used to play at Wrigley Field. When Mike Ditka and those teams were winning the championship in 1963 and whatever it was, they played at Wrigley Field. They didn't move to Soldier Field until sometime after that.

So there's a whole generation of fans that don't remember that. When they built a new Yankee Stadium here in New York about 20 years ago, 18 or so years ago, people were up in arms. And now there's a whole generation of fans that don't remember the old Yankee Stadium. So, I mean, time goes on. And I think you have to fight the natural inclination to think that anything, time change happens, it is for the worse. I sometimes struggle from that. And so that's why, again, I sort of regret what I posted on Friday because I don't know that I think it's such a terrible

thing. I understand if you are a diehard Chicago city person. My wife was born and raised in the actual city. The fact that they're moving out of the city offends her sensibility. But time moves on. And it was never going to get done there. So Hammond, Indiana seems like as good a place as any. They finally got the franchise QB. They got the next best coach. It's all happening. Time to go. Move to Hammond, Indiana.

Just know this. Indiana will respect the hell out of the opportunity to have the team. And there's never going to be a time where they're the Indiana Bears. No. Okay, that's never going to happen. Colts better step their game up. Colts don't want to become the Chargers of Indiana. Well, you start looking at the IU Hoosers.

Watch your mouth. Uh-huh. Hey, you know, it's true. Watch your mouth. Yeah, you're a big-time Chargers fan. I've yet to hear you pick them for a Super Bowl. Let's go out of the United States. NFL, let's go to college. You talk about change

and automatically thinking it's a terrible thing. We all kind of have a habit of that. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Greeny, you were off air of GetUp, so you haven't had a chance to react to it. I don't know if you've had thoughts about it yet. The Brennan Soresby news that broke after GetUp was over, that he is not going to be ineligible this

season after, you know, making bets on his own team when he was at IU. The judge ruled that on today is going to be a two-game suspension, that he's going to be eligible to play for Texas Tech the rest of the season. Have you had any time to think about this and kind of what the impact on college football could be moving forward with this ruling? Not going to lie to you. I am learning of this literally. So I'm reading it. I'm reading Pete Thammels tweet right there. NCAA cannot prevent

Texas. Well, I don't know. I mean, look, we have entered a really, really complicated place. and I have been, I'll give you my own personal history on this. I started hosting talk shows locally in Chicago in 1992. And when I started doing that, one of the first things that I campaigned for was legalized sports gambling. I felt that this was something that was already going on and there was no reason why it should be kept in the shadiest and darkest corners and bring it out into the light and let it be taxed and let it be public and let it become an enormous industry. has obviously exploded to something that was beyond even my wildest imagination since then. With that, with the direct connection that sports teams and leagues have with these, with these, you know, with the draft kings and the, and the, um, uh, fan duels of the world and,

and now these prediction markets and all the rest of that comes what is obviously a very slippery slope because it is very difficult out of one side of your mouth to say, you must stay away from this. It is the worst thing you can possibly do it on the other side say and make sure that you check out the parlay that we have right now available for new customers only. That said, I think all athletes, and you guys would know this. I mean, McAfee, you would know this way better than I would, although having been in locker rooms and clubhouses all my life, I'm aware of this. It is the number one rule, right? It is the number one thing everyone knows you cannot do. you get the professional death penalty for gambling on your sport.

So I suppose I have mixed feelings on that. What has the general reaction been? Like what have you guys? So for us, so it's a juxtaposition, you know, here as we look at it. And everything you just mentioned there, you said you started in the 90s in Chicago. Obviously, a lot of Italians there, Pisano's there. And you understood that gambling and sports gambling was just a part of the sports culture. You understood that.

but obviously there was no regulator and he could potentially end up in a bad, bad spot, both in debt, betting too much and potentially even dangerous situations that have happened in the past of gambling before it was legalized. I'm from Pittsburgh, so very similar. I understand that this is just a part of sports culture. And I think the juxtaposition that we are in with Draft Kings, we were seeing Green with you. We've seen Green with you before. Oh, yeah. We've seen Green with you before.

It is an interesting situation because I mean, I got Draft King's helmet right here. I got ESPN on an LED board right here. we're up here in Bristol, the home of sports media basically since 1979 or something like that. So it is a much different time where gambling and sports gambling is very prevalent in everything. But we, our reaction, and I think everybody kind of feels the same way that we, I don't know. I haven't seen the reaction online from our reaction. But I think everybody knows that gambling responsibly and not being an asshole

is a big part of what our future is, and it has to be. And we as people that are talking about it and in the sports world and having a platform in the sports world, I think we've got to be a big part of that, Greenie. I think we've got to tell people not to be assesual. Like, hey, you're not going to become a millionaire of this, bro. Like, this is just to make the game a little bit more interesting. I think as we can continue to be those types of people, like, hey, 21 plus, obviously, and let's not be assholes.

But the players just cannot participate. Like, it is just a, as former players, being DBA both. Our entire take was like, hey, if we're going to talk about gambling with people, we got to make sure we tell people how to do it right, okay? You're not going to be a bazillionaire off of this. Okay? And the history has been like three people that have really won consistently, and they've all been arrested for winning too much.

in this entire thing. So it's like you're not going to win every single bet. Don't act like you're going to win every single bet. Let's just enhance the sports experience with it. Let's be smart about it. But players cannot. Like that is just the entire thing that can't happen, Deba. That was kind of our entire take, Greenie. And I don't know if people agree with us or not, but we naturally fall into the same boat there. Yeah, the integrity game, obviously is top. And Greenie said it, just like we said it early in the hour, that was the number one rule. We saw with Pete Rose in baseball, like he was one of the best players ever, but once you kind of cross that line, that's something you can't do. Now, we are in a very,

very different space. I understand that. And there are certain things. I know it's the mental health part of it as well, addiction and things like that. But there are other addictions or other things that if you dabble into that space, you can't play ball. There are penalties. There are violations. There are things you have to pay. So I get it. But yeah, I'm firmly on the side of, you know, I don't like the precedent that's being said. Honestly, if I'm speaking transparently, but, you know, this is the world that we live in now. I didn't know that the instance. NCAA didn't even have that power to make that ruling. I didn't know a judge just come in and say, nope, actually he can't play.

So it's wild. Yeah, from our time, me and D, but we used to have to sit through these NCAA meetings. Okay, Greeny, and I don't know if you've ever had to sit through these or not whenever we're in college. These people would come in here with 150 pages, hour and a half meeting, and they were in charge. Hey, we can do whatever the hell we want to you. Okay, that is basically what they were trying to tell us in that entire thing. We're scared to death about everything. and I naturally had a hatred for the NCAA.

I think everybody that ever had to sit through those meetings, listen to them. And I watch Pat White, congrats to him on getting his number retired. He deserves that. I'm fucking so happy for him. And Steve Slayton build up West Virginia, and then not really reap the benefits of it ever

and never really get paid. So I'm for, like, players getting paid. I'm for, like, the evolution of sport and college sport. I'm for all these things. But the NCAA just being a nothing burger, that's a crazy thing to witness here. That's a crazy thing to, like, publicly witness because I've never been a super, hey, the NCAA is the right people to be making

decisions. I've actually had chance at J.M.U. Against the NCAA. I didn't know that they got nothing. So now the Greenie, the question is like, are teams just going to abuse, like, the NCAA have a note, like what is a rule then, you know? That's kind of the next question. And then this is all happening at the exact time that shit's getting voted on in D.C.

So it feels juxtaposition. Yeah, yeah. And we're certainly in here. Render's moods. standpoint, the NCAA obviously already has absolutely no authority, right? There's nothing they can do. The minute they lost in court, they went from having, to your point, from telling universities you may provide a player with bagels and butter, but not with bagels and peanut butter

because that changes the definition of a meal. I'm not making that up. That was legitimately a rule at one point to now where there are no rules. This feels different. This is not a matter of, well, I guess it is about eligibility, but it's in an entirely different way. It's about benefits. It's about the ability of a player to benefit from his or her likeness and all the rest of that. So I'm a thousand percent in support of players getting paid.

I'm a thousand percent in support of players having the opportunity to take advantage of their name, image, and likeness. Being able to gamble on the sport, the more I think about it, the more I think you guys are absolutely right. This is a terrible precedent to be setting because if indeed it is precedent and who the hell knows, that suggests that other players can do this. It makes other players feel like they can. Let's not just automatically go to the worst outcome. Remember, we just did this with the Chicago land. So maybe this will actually, because this way, and I think this is like Sorsby, I'm happy as hell for Sorsby. You know, made a mistake.

Obviously made a mistake for a while. clearly was addicted. I mean, this was a... 35 days in rehab. This is a 35 days in rehab is a long time. So him getting a chance to reprieve himself and also hopefully try to write some wrongs that he potentially did publicly

and go be a spokesperson for it. I think that's good. We're happy for him. We thought he was going to have to do that in the NFL. We thought that was going to have to happen in the NFL. We didn't think that he was going to be able to maintain eligibility. But now these judges, he's really.

Yeah, they're good. And Hans WI. Actually, you know what you can't do? Anything. It's in there. Rate it. Yeah, I'm a judge. you. Charlie Baker? What were you? You used to be a governor?

Shut up. And then Charlie Baker responds. He told us when he was on our show, he's like, if we make any ruling in this modern day, we just get sued. That's it. So we have no power. He said that on the show. He was like, we'll just get sued. Because when it came to amount of years that guys wanted to play, he was like, oh, you're going to take away work

from these guys? So then there was some labor stuff that was getting in there and all this stuff, and they're like, they're just getting caught up against sued. So that's why this protect college sports actor, whatever the hell it is, I think gives them antitrust ruling, which makes sure that they can have power power and authority. Good luck, everybody. Go get them. I think

I'm going to figure it out, Greenie. I think we're all going to figure it out. Okay. It shouldn't be this complicated to be a fan of college sports. They're asking you to understand a lot of things, because I'm not going to lie to you. I have a feeling everything you just said is right, but you lost me. I have no idea what we're

even talking about anymore. I don't know what the rules are. I don't know who has authority. I don't know what the right set up for all of it is. I don't, I think, I agree with you. Brendan Sorsby, probably did not, you probably don't want a young man who makes a mistake to forfeit and sacrifice

everything that he's worked for for the entire rest of his life. Maybe he could have done that on the pro level. It's a complicated issue and it's one I think we're going to be dealing with a lot in the future. I hope not. Hey, no, let's not automatically go to the negative. Come on. We've been talking about this. This is the last time

everybody's going to learn from this. They're going to understand that this was not good for the game, not good for the sport, not good for anybody. Thank you, players for not doing it anymore. Thank you. players for not doing that anymore. Now listen to me. If I may, and I don't mean to hijack this conversation. But last year, when your Indiana Paces are in the NBA finals, you've got me on,

and that's all we talked about. I have been on this show now. Bebott has a question for you, please, Greenie, please. I have not mentioned. Graney. Have not made mention of the Nevo Knickerbockers who currently sit two wins away from a racing a 53 year drought and winning an NBA championship that absolutely no one was coming 45 days ago.

I would like to launch. I need to launch some sort of protest. I think that there was, I don't know exactly what my, what my, my avenue is here, but it feels to me like I wish this should have come up by now. You're saying I'm filibustering right now. You're saying I'm filibustering to get to the main point here of NBA fun. Well, I will say this, though. we did plan on ending the conversation with the Knicks,

obviously, because we're very lucky that we're going to be in a building. I believe you're going to be there. You love the team. It is historic and everything like that. We ran out of time, though. Hey, Grini, thank you so much, man. Thank you so. What's that?

This is not right. I refuse. I have, I stand fastly refused. Listen, I've been at SGM 30 years. I run the place. I say you stay with it. Hey, Mr. Bossman, Mr. Bossman, Debon has a question for you.

Yeah, we're so much. Chicago, Soldier Field, obviously Madison Square Guard and most famous arena in the world. We will be in the building tonight. Luckily, what should we expect going to that building? You talked about the 53 years since the title. Now you're two wins away from another one. What should we expect? What do you expect tonight for this home finals playoff game?

So it's going to be an incredible scene. You're obviously aware that the president is coming. So you guys are aware that you need to get there super early. I mean, get there. The second you guys are done today, get down here because it's going to take longer to get into the building. The streets are closed down all the way around in the neighborhood, so people who are traveling here from anywhere are going to have a heart of time. So that's the first thing. That's just my own words of caution to you. As far as the fans, as far as the fans,

here's what I don't know. I assume you've seen how much money it costs to get into the building. So, I mean, Madison Square Garden is an expensive ticket at any time of the year. But this is something other than that. I've never even seen anything like this. The last I had seen the seats all the way upstairs in the 400 level were going for something like $10,000. So what I don't know is exactly how that's going to change the noise in the building. In my experience, and I have been both attending games and covering games in Madison Square Garden now since the 1970s, there is no place in the world quite like the garden when it really gets going. And so it's going to be incredibly loud. When the game starts, it is going to feel like the building is shaking. And you have to remember the things that have taken place in this building from Ali Frazier all the way through Willis Reed, limping out onto that court all the way through many of Michael Jordan's most magical moments, all the way through the Rangers finally winning a Stanley Cup in 1994 and all the way through to tonight.

So all of that goes into the conversation when you start. thinking about what the building is going to feel like. Now, what I don't know is how that impacts the game. Because when I covered those Bulls teams, Phil Jackson always said he loved playing on the road in these kind of spots. His, he was, he felt his team focused better and played better on the road. When you're not dealing with families, you're not dealing with any friends and ticket request and all that stuff. It's just you against the world. And if you can start taking the air out of the building, the home team feels it.

So that's what I'm not 100% sure of. If the Knicks play great tonight, if they jump out to a big lead, I will tell you right now, you will never in your life have heard a louder building than you will hear tonight. But if this thing starts to go the other way, then I think the air in the building, the energy in the building could change. And sometimes I do think those things impact the players. I love that. Okay.

I hope we get a chance to experience whatever happens. If Wembe walks in there is the big bad French villain and steals the final happiness and joy out of the world's most famous arena. What a scene. What a night. What a historic day in the history of hoops. If this guy does crown himself, hey,

we think you see Miss Stacey. Stay! Hey! Her hand was just in the corner. She's in here doing all myself. You guys have all these people to do social media, and I've got my wife. So that's pretty much it.

So she's doing whatever social I get out of this. That's from her with her iPhone standing over there. But you know, she's your biggest fan. So she's upset. about the Chicago thing, but she is very, always, as you know, very excited whenever I'm on the show. Well, pro Indiana, then a little bit at least. Yeah, she's at least pro Indiana. A tiny bit has to be in there. We appreciate the hell out of her. Just like we appreciate

the hell out of you. We'll see you down in there tonight. Yes. I'll come find you. You'll be easier to find than I will be, I would assume. And I'm not sure what it'll be like moving around the building. Where are you guys going to be? Or on the second, it was reported that we're going to be courtside. And if that was the case, that mean people would be spending like two, three million just on seats for us. We're up in the second floor, I believe second balcony. There's a little area we're going to be in there. And then the boys are going to be up in the...

We're hanging from the banner. Yeah. The boys are up in the... What's it called? It's called like the Delta Sky Lounge up there is where the boys will be up there. So we get at all access points for kind of figure it. It's a great place to say, actually. I will come find you guys assuming we can move around the building, you know,

freely depending on the security situation. It's going to be a night unlike anything you've ever seen. I mean, I think I've told you this before. If I have 30 seconds left, let me just make my one last little. 30 years. You got all the time you want. You built this place. Thank you, boss.

Three and a half million bucks brand in studio here. Good job, Graney. Thank you for that. Hey, it's L.E.B. I'll miss a single stitch. Not a single pixel is gone here. He did an incredible job, Greenie. Thank you for your service.

People will refer to Pittsburgh as a sports. They'll refer to Indianapolis as a sports town to use the two that are most near and dear to your heart. New York City is not a town. There's nothing about this place that feels like a town. When you walk the streets, you are surrounded most times by international tourists. It is most common to hear people having conversations that are not in English because it is an international city. And because of the fact that there are two teams in all the sports, the whole city doesn't, gravitate towards one team in this way.

When the Giants win, the Jet fans are unhappy. When the Yankees win, the Mets fans are unhappy. In my childhood, the rivalry between the Rangers and the Islanders was the most passionate rivalry I was aware of as a sports fan. It was incredible. To this day, they chant nasty things about each other at these games

50 years later. New York, the Knicks are the only team that owns the entire city. They are the only team that makes this feel like a town. So when you get here tonight, what you're going to see, everywhere you go, find some way to take a walk. you're going to find people everywhere you go wearing Nick's hats and Nick's shirts and looking at each other and smiling like we're in the Andy Griffith show and this is Mayberry. They're the only team that moves the city together in that way.

And I have this to demonstrate just sort of the way it is. This is the kind of thing that everyone that you see will be wearing today. And so the Knicks make New York feel like a town. And as one who grew up here, there's something very nice and. special about that. So I really hope that you guys get a chance to experience it, and I hope it's a normal, really fun night. To quote a New Yorker going viral, your mayor is Muslim, your bagels are Jewish, your Christians, Dior, Nixon for. Yeah, legendary line. I hope it takes place, but also maybe the alien says, I don't think so. Maybe your basketball is otherworldly with the alien coming

to town. We are so thankful and lucky to be there. And we appreciate it. Appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, this is multiple-time Hall of Famer. Nevy, never sports Emmy Award winner. Ladies of the gentleman, Mike Greenberg. Yeah. See you, Graney. We kicked his ass out quick.

Shots fired at the Brooklyn Nets. Yeah. They were Jersey for so long. Yeah. But they're in Brooklyn now. And that last one was way more than 30 seconds. He's been on air for a long-ass time. Yeah.

That was like a minute and a half. Yeah, he laid out of it. His internal clock might be going a little. Oh, is he long? Oh, long as it? I didn't say that. Join us now as a man who found his fastball and is just getting into the clap-bomb territory.

You saw him on SVP, I believe, 1, 2 a.m. The other night. He was on a little bit of the kickoff coverage, ladies and gentlemen. Stanley Cup final winner, a man who played 18 years in the NHL, now ESPN hockey pundit, Big Hornow, Eric Johnson.

Hey, Horno. What's going on, boys? Hey, I don't know if you heard. New York Knicks are about to do something that's bringing an entire city together. What's going on in hockey? You got anything that can top that? Or how's the NHL right now?

Well, I feel a lot worse than I look. So if I look like shit, just imagine how I feel it's not good. Five nights in Vegas, I thought plane was tough. This media business might have just knocked my socks off. Five nights in Sin City. Way too long. I need a shower and I need a cigarette in about two minutes. Yeah, I understand.

Yeah, I appreciate the fact that you guys did five days hard. time out there in Sin City. That's a two-day max, three-day max city, but you've got to do what you've got to do for hockey. Back-to-back overtime games, including a double overtime game, obviously. This series has lived up to the hype, and obviously we had record-breaking timing. Mitch Marner had a hatrick in like six minutes in the second period, and then Carolina scored three goals in 36 seconds at one point. At this stage, obviously, it feels like Big Mo has gone to both sides. It's coming down to the very end. How do you feel about who has

maybe the edge in this NHL Stanley Cup final between the Keynes and the Vegas Golden Knights and why do you think we're getting the best of the best of the best right now of hockey between these two? Yeah, I think like a lot of people were saying that this was going to be a bit of a snoozer series, not exactly big names as far as cities where these guys play. Like L.A., New York, maybe more sexy, right? But this is shaping up to be like literally maybe one of the best Stanley Cup final of all time. Like what we're seeing, every game blows the the previous game out of the water. I just, I can't believe what we're seeing.

Like, we're seeing own goals. We're seeing challenges. Vegas, don't forget, had two goals wiped off the board with challenges, offside and goal interference. So they won five, four, but they put up seven on the cane. So, I mean, just there's literally something for everybody. Braden McNabb had half of his nose fucking blown off. And he comes back and plays the next night.

I mean, he got, I think, 30 stitches right down the side of his nose looked like a crime scene back there. And to see him come back and play and play and play. as well as he did and help Vegas get the 2-1 series lead. This is literally the best final, I think I've seen in a long time. I love that you guys naturally try to eat pucks,

but also we'll take it in the nose if we have to array with forehead. Clap ball, what was it, 84 miles an hour? Yeah, mouth was open. Something like that. He was trying to eat it. Literally trying to eat it. Hey, that's for the Lord Stanley Cup. Now, obviously, we've got players eating pucks. We got magical dangles taking place. We got scoring

records happening seemingly every single period in game for these guys. The toxic table kind of have a combined question for you, Big Hornow. Yeah, Horno, just curious. I mean, I think Connor will cover one side of it. But is Vegas considering a goalie change? Carter Hart, obviously, they're up to one. But when Carolina has scored, it's been in bunch, as we mentioned, the 36 seconds.

And then the other night, he let in, I think, three goals in like six minutes. Is there any chance that they're going to, you know, maybe switch things up for game four? Or what do you think? Fair question. But you have a better chance of seeing me at Thunder down under tonight than Carter Hart. tomorrow. It's a good show. Do you think you could perform?

Do you think you could perform? Do you think you could bring it? It's a little cold in there, I heard. So I don't know if I want to get it. Oh, yeah, tiny dangles. Like, there is no doubt that Carter Hart plays tomorrow night in game for. Zero.

Zero chance he doesn't play unless he's hurt. But the big question is, does Bussie play instead of Anderson? Had a big debate at dinner last night with Suban and Messier and Steve Levy. They think that Bussie's going to play. I think you ride with the guy that got you there and Freddie Anderson. I think we see Freddie Anderson tomorrow night. That goal right there, probably the only one he should have stopped on Mitch Marner. Other than that, I don't place a lot of blame on him.

But that's the big question for Carolina is who's going to start in goal. Okay, leaves, Moose, Suban, you. Good group. Cash Patel. How's this? What's that? He was with P. Cash and P.

We're just yawking it all. On P. Scott loves hockey. He does. Don't we got some stuff going on? He loves hockey. There's nothing more important than Lord Stanley's Cup. Okay, so you guys talking Puck off, off show and on show.

What's going on at dinner? We're debating hockey the entire time. Feels like you guys have a good group. It feels like you have been a great addition to group. I don't know if you feel. How have you felt about the media world that you've lived? Because we enjoy the hell out of your coverage. We appreciate you.

You were on SVP the other night. Now you're with the boys. Like, I think it's a good thing. Hey, Horno, I think things are going well for you. Let's not get too hung over out there. Yeah, I mean, I should, probably back off the sauce a little bit tonight. Oh, no, what got you to do the dance?

Come on. Grow up. Responsibly. Well, I tell you what, though. I went on a heater of all heaters at the blackjack table with Messier last night. And so, Subi's sitting next to me and Levy and playing Blackjack. And Subi's like, how did you win that hand? Levy had a better hand than you. So P.K. thought I was playing Blackjack against Levy and not the dealer.

I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not how it works. but honestly the dynamic between us all is really fun. They welcome me with open arms. It's fun to be on and chop it up with those guys. And we had a nice little burlolo last night, a little rib-eye, fantastic dinner, great guys. And I've had a lot of fun with them in Vegas.

They welcome me really, really nicely to the set. And it'll be fun to chop it up on the desk with them again tomorrow. That's a great group of lads. Happy you joined them. We can't wait for that game tomorrow night. Thank you so much for joining us, Hornall. Yeah, enjoy the game tonight, boys. Go, Nicks.

Let's go. Hornow. Oh, you front runner. Why is that? I didn't know. You're Minneapolis, right? You're Minnesota. Big T. Wolves guy.

Mark Messy will kick my ass if I don't cheer for the next day. Let me tell you that. Mr. Game 7. That's Captain too, right? That's Captain. You automatically look at him as captain whenever you're around. Is that not?

Yeah. Oh, Captain, my captain. Yeah, you have to kind of do that. I mean, what Moost did in hockey outstanding. I mean, absolutely. Living icon in your guys' world amongst hockey players? Unbelievable. Really cool for me.

You know, I was six years old when he won that cup. New York in 1994, and he has six Stanley Cup rings, right? I mean, I have one and I, you know, it was the greatest day of my life. I couldn't imagine him winning six and the fun he had before the smartphone era. So I, I'm jealous of Mr. Game 7.

He was up there with Wayno and then in New York to be able to go good for most before the cameras are on the phones everywhere. Go ahead. Yeah, Hordo, real quick, because the internet was dying to know. Is it true that P. P.K. sailed in an old wooden worship to the game the other night. Was that true or was that false?

Yeah, he cleaned the decks on the pirate ship with that jacket. Thank you. You're the best. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. That's Stanley Cup champion. Big Hornel, Eric. Johnson. Got a big, Hornell.

Thank you, Hornel. You guys got some fits. Yeah. Yeah, they would say he's throwing a fit every time he's out and about. Speaking of throwing a fit, there's people that are not happy about us doing this tonight. Let me read. Here's Brett Pickarts out of Wisconsin. No one asked for this.

Show of the highlights, bring back real analysis, and stop doing debate-style shows all your content at ESPN. We don't care if a guy wears a cutoff on a national television or hear Kendrick Perkins babble about nonsense during the NBA finals. Hey, Brett, suck our dick. How about that? I don't like that guy. Why did a guy killing us?

We're not debating. I don't worry. I don't think we debate ever. What the hell? And the cutoffs, now would be the time. It's hot. It would be the time. It's basketball.

Yeah. And Lauren's pre-jacked right now. Too bad he has to watch. Yeah. Does he know you can just put on ABC and... No, breakfast. No, his house only has ESPN. So a lot of people saying that.

Don't tell them. Everything these jackasses do is behind a paywall now. It's like, well, actually, ESPN, you know, if you have cable, you'll be able to find it. It's the greatest. Just now we're going to try to be assets and not. ass ass hats and Brett shut up up Canada too I got a couple people up here in Canada

Oh who gives a fuck about Canada Why not me Yeah Wisconsin might as well be He's just sire the bucks aren't in the finals I don't know He's sorry I felt like it was pretty much personal

Lose is a group freak too There's a couple others obviously Oh has he been traded yet Ladies is I'm joining us now I'm gonna one three point shooting competition Played in the NBA for 100 years We'll be joining us tonight on commentary Ladies and Jumma Q-Rae

Thank you, Rich. What's up, Q? How you doing, buddy? I'm good. I'm good. fellas, I have arrived. I am here in NYC. That is the New York City behind me. Okay, you need to get over to Madison Square Garden now. I've heard it's going to be tough to get in there.

Obviously, tonight going to be electrifying. What are your thoughts on how this game goes, Q, Q, Rich? What do you think is the pace of this entire thing? I'm excited, man. I think it's going to be a great game. It's going to be interesting to see. I want to see how, you know, what, what impact this crowd has on the game,

because I know it's going to be maniacal and it's going to be crazy. And it can go either way, obviously. I mean, I think obviously, you know, they're going to be there in support of their Knicks and ready to go crazy for them. But I've also been in that building when they excited like that.

And if it doesn't happen soon enough for them, that energy can kind of get weird for the home team when they're ready to explode, but they're not really getting a chance to. So it'll be interesting to see. I appreciate the fact that we're betting the over tonight. I don't know if you know, so we'll be celebrating every bucket that has got in there.

Do you think this will be a bucket getting evening in Madison Square Garden where people tend to go crazy, especially potentially. Wemby, from all that we know, there is a chance that his personality profile is one that would go crazy tonight. Do we think that's going to happen on both sides, or you think this continues to be a cagey affair as they double and triple team Jalen Brunson? I do think it's going to be a fight. I don't know that it's going to be some high-scoring situation. And I also know that every player, especially somebody like a Wimby, when you come in,

you want to perform well at the garden. And so there's an added layer there. And then it's going to be, you know, this atmosphere is going to, I don't even know what it's going to be. It'll be something to see once we're in there and see it, but it's supposed to be like something we've never seen. So it'll be interesting to see who draws from that. who thrives in that hostile environment, in that chaos, in that frenzy and all of the fans going crazy. It'll be interesting to see who settles in and who can hoop in the midst of all of that.

It feels like Brunson can do it in the fourth quarter. DeBott has a question for you. Yeah, Brunson has been Captain Clutch. It seems like forever now since he's been in that Nick's jersey. But how can you see him get going earlier? Pat talked about getting doubled coming across half court. But how can Brunson kind of get off earlier in Madison Square Garden tonight? I like them taking him off the ball.

Like, they got other guys that could initiate the offense. I like him coming off screens and coming off down screen, down pins and pin down screens and doing different things, not where you can just hone in on him when he has the ball dribbling up. Like you say, he crossed half court. We can just hit him with a double and get the ball out of his hand. I think putting him in movement and running him around a little bit will give him a better chance to, you know, to get busy as far as get loose

and score some offensive points. Let's get busy tonight, okay? let's get busy tonight let's be an asset let's not be ass let's enjoy the moment while also showcasing everything that hoops has done this not just season but this lifetime yeah because that's what we're experiencing the night the finals in Madison square garden it's been a long time coming first time they've been favored in a finals game since 1994 looks like 32 years it's a long moment fellows like we like like first I got to get y'all in person the appreciation for adding me to the crew, letting me hang out with you

cool dudes for the night. But like, listen, this is a privilege right here. We're getting to be in the building and experience everything that's going to go on. Fellas, this is going to be some, some once-in-a-lifetime type situation, I feel like. Yeah, I concur completely and we're treating it that way. You suited

and booted tonight? You know, Park said he's got his first day of school fit. I remember it was. Kew Rich. It was like, hey, we need to be sued. Yeah, he was. Kew Rich wasn't one of... Yeah, I told you. We got to look at the part, man. I know, I know a thing or two about pulling up to the garden in a nice suit. So, you know, like, Dick made that mandatory for us when we was with the Knicks.

The whole team, we had to show up like the Yankees, show up in the full suit and everything, every time we assemble. So, yeah, I'm going to be suited and booted, man. I'm going to come back like MJ, you know, when he put 55 in the garden with the retro ones on his feet. I got them for y'all tonight. I mean, LeBron used to just crush in Madison Square Garden, too, didn't he? That was kind of his thing.

That's awesome. We get to talk about both those guys. You're the best. We'll see you tonight, ladies and gentlemen. I'm excited. So pumped. I'm pumped for a night. Yeah.

How we're getting there is going to be a bit wild. We're all going to have to kind of maybe take a train. Too long. City bite? I think that would be faster maybe. Waymo? I don't know. I haven't heard much about the amount of time they take.

No, I believe we're, because I think, yeah. Taking a couple black hawks in. Oh. Yeah. Apaches. I don't know. Could you imagine if we end up,

if he would be so mad. They're using military helicopters With what we got going on We're not God flying by kid rocks But we are coming in through the sky On a smaller plane That has choppers on top of it

Okay Oh, a water plane We're gonna escort by choppers We're not laying in the water TCs pick this up with the blue ain't We're not doing that We're flying helicopters from here in Because airports and stuff

You know because there is quite a thing Happening there Sure We've experienced this with the national championship when the president goes to something, it does become like, hey, we got to lock this thing down

because there's a lot of stuff going on in the world. So hopefully, you know, we'll be able to get in there in time. And the national championship environment was ridiculous. They were calling for like people to be late. They weren't. It was spelled up. I think the scare and the fear of how long it's going to take

is more than it actually is. But it certainly is an added element of adversity. And New York City is going to be absurd. Yeah. So we can always get down in there. We're lucky to be there. We understand that. Just like we're incredibly thankful to be here in Bristol.

Everybody that was a part of the team that helped set this all up, we can't thank you all enough. This is fantastic. The set was outrageous. The things were beautiful. Walking around campus was spectacular. Your cafeteria is so good. Shout out to the opportunity to everybody. Faso, Faso.

And tonight we will honor the sport that we get to call the NBA Finals on ESPN with this group of idiots. We will win. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. All right. I think we hit that. Yeah, you did. Now we actually have to get on those helicopters and get down.

Is DJTT, TGJ? You are right? Excuse me? Is the president still picking and talks table up? I think that's the plan. I don't know if it's changed at all. I think we're going one in one, right?

I think Joe is supposed to pick me up. Just to even it out. I'll tell you what. I remember his family has gotten very active on X. He's really good at X. Oh, yeah. I learned a lot about Johnny Cash. Yeah.

I didn't know that. Kind of born for it. He was like, is that his, flying you? HB. Yeah. HB, but we're driving.

Be careful. Heartbreak kid. We're driving. He's got a fast car. I do like him clearing some things up. Okay. With him? Or just in general?

I just like him people just clear. Never leaving his drugs behind. That's what he said. Those were his? I was just that these are his tweets. We are not making anything. No. Sometimes people attack us for things that other people say that we tell people that they

said and everybody thinks we're lying. We're not. But if somebody does say that it's going to make its way into our algo and we're see it. On that note, president's going to be in a building night. It's going to take a while to get in there. So I think we need to take the trip down here.

Into all of you, including Gibbon. Thank you so much for allowing us to do this. You're the greatest people on earth. The fact that you allow us to do this is a beautiful thing. Had a good you moment when. West Virginia took out Kyle Paulie.

Got to talk about this. Okay, before we hop on A&Chopper, I can't believe we haven't even talked about it yet. Obviously, it's the NBA Finals Monday. We're live in Bristol. This is beautiful. Getting a chance to see a super regional game in Morgantown, West Virginia

is something that I never even thought or broached the subject of, but what Randy Masey was able to do and then passed on to Steve Sabins with what Ken Kendrick's, the Arizona Diamondbacks owner, who's a West Virginia billionaire, what he is invested in this baseball team and what they have going on and with how much the fans in the city and the state have just kind of adapted them or adopted them as their own.

I mean, that's huge. Those AirPods in my ear will tell that story a different time. But that was electrifying. I had the time of my life. I obviously know more about baseball now than I ever have in my entire life. So getting a chance to watch it from right there was spectacular. Shot to Ren Baker for the hospitality. Steve Sabins, Randy Masey, everybody at West Virginia for the hospitality.

Kids getting thrown. Rich Rodriguez was sitting there next to us. He was fucking hysterical and obviously all in on the mountaineers. He was talking to me about obviously the football team. I got a chance to go see the football team. Football team looks good. Hey, it looks a lot different than it had been looking. We got some dogs out there.

It does appear as if we got dogs. Pat White's number gets retired. They make it to Omaha for the first time. I mean, it was maybe one of the best things I've ever experienced. And shout to West Virginia being in this magical moment right now, where it's only up into the right. Remember the men's basketball team won a crown. That's true.

People forget that. He would do forget. Yeah, they won 20 grand at the crown out there in Vegas. They won an April basketball tournament. Okay, everybody forgets that. But they are up into the right. Ren Baker should get a lot of a round of applause. He looks good, by the way.

This guy looks good. Jacked. Yeah, super jacked. The home run was super jacked. The pitcher is super jacked here. You're saying Ren Baker's super jacked? Yeah, he looked at you from that photo. I don't think anybody's saying, Ren Baker.

Slim. I think he's just slim. I think he's fit. I think he's super fit. I don't know if he's super jacked, but maybe he is under him. But he is super fit. And that was a blast to be parted.

I never watched college baseball game before. We had a three-run shot early. We had a grand slam by a guy who hit his second home run of the year of that. And then the next day he hit another home run. Hitcher. And then Cole, yeah, Chanson Cole, this guy, I bet him to have six strikeouts. Okay? He had none in the first inning.

I thought I was potentially, you know, kind of, bamboozled. Then this guy struck out six straight in the second into the third inning. So all the second inning strike out, all of third inning strike out. And when he had a six one, hey, this, which one's the six one, Foxy?

Do you have it in a four right there? There's four, okay, I'm getting excited. What's that? That's five. Okay, here comes six. No, that's replay. Replay of five. Okay, here's six. Boom, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just one absolutely great.

crazy. The guy was phenomenal. I assume he's going to pitch in Omaha. I don't know how this whole thing works. So Omaha is coming up. Obviously, West Virginia just started. Friday's the first day, Ty. What do we need to know who's there? Correct. So as of right now, seven of the eight teams are finalized. And I believe that I don't want to say it's over. But yeah, okay, two games. So West Virginia. And then right here we got Georgia.

They beat Mississippi State. Georgia's a very high-ranked team. So they're going. We also have North Carolina who had a big comeback. They have solidified their spot. Texas, they advanced and the record 39th time that they've been. Texas is kind of the old guard here. I watched this guy pitch. He hit 96, 95.

That one's 96. This guy's got the sauce here. Exactly. So Texas has been very good for a very long time. And then also Alabama earlier today. They had a, they were, they won big and then their game got. rained out, I think, in like the sixth inning. So they had to finish it today.

They advanced. First time since 1999. Exactly. They've invested a lot of money in Alabama and baseball. I think whenever we were down there for college game day, I want to see the stadium and everything like that. They're trying to get very good at baseball. Obviously, first time since 1999 going to Omaha, roll tag.

Congress of them. And they have to because the SEC, obviously, is going crazy. West Virginia will play Troy, who swept Little Rock. That is in the first round. And then the last game, Oklahoma currently. Leads Kansas, 8 to 1. That's the final spot. We talked about this a couple weeks ago. I said something about like, hey, the Big 10's coming. The SEC's death was, you know, it's just not true. Five out of the eight teams in Omaha will be SEC teams. Ole Miss upset Auburn as well. That's the one I

forgot. So really there's, I mean, you never know that a lot of teams that people thought were going to make the field this year didn't make it. So a team like West Virginia, like at this point I really do believe anyone could win. It kind of just depends. West Virginia's playing their best ball of the season right now. You have a lot of these, you know, kind of true powerhouses from the SEC who people think will be good. But yeah, we'll find out a game start Friday, 2 and 7 p.m. are the games. And then you kind of just put that on repeat for the next 10 days or so. Very similar to the women's college world series.

It is double elimination. So if West Virginia wins their first game, they'll move into the winner's bracket. The other team will move into the losers bracket. And then we kind of just go until we get to the championship series where it resets and it's a best of three. Yeah, I loved it. The environment was outrageous. I mean, sunburnt. It was three hours and 45 minutes out there. Yeah, the long one. And obviously with where we

were sitting, a lot of points or a lot of runs. Yeah. The runs, they had 29 runs, which is the sixth most or the fifth most or something like that in the history of the NCAA for the amount of runs that you have in a two-day super regional. They just absolutely smacked this Cal Poly team. Yeah. Cal Poly had a lot of good players. I appreciated them, too.

They brought good juice. They brought good energy. but that environment was spectacular. I mean, it was, I had never been, personally, to a college baseball game. That was my first college baseball game as a whole. So much fun, Deep, but we got chance. We got chance. We got yells. Me and Rich Rodriguez chugged a beer at one point.

I mean, we weren't the only ones because we looked up at the scoreboard in the back, and we were halfway through the second inning. And I just saw a lot of empty boxes, third, fourth, eighth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth. And we're probably already there for about 45 minutes. Oh, yeah. 345. I was getting burnt. I was getting absolutely cooked in there.

I was a whole shit. There's a lot of game left. You know, there's a lot of game left. Because boys are playing good. There's a lot of game left. And then, you know, we just decided we had to hammer beers. That's just kind of what we decided we ended up having to do.

Yep, come on. Let's make it disappear. That's what he said. Okay. So we chug a beer out, obviously. And you sweat it out. Exactly. Right here.

I'm saying you to the pitcher. Yeah. He was the man, obviously. He had a good time. There's a seventh inning stretch. I guess there was a camera behind me. didn't know that until they put us up on the up shit yep i said you know obviously we had a time of our lives out there thank you to west virginia coach steve savens coming over saying what's up

and then obviously the reason why we want was just sing country roads at the end it was loud it was good time had you know people saying uh they're impressed with the everybody up there knowing the words it's like how do you not everybody knows the words rich rott i hate that guy next yeah that was my first thought too uh that guy uh that guy came down on the stairs i believe so i think he came down late after we had already kind of locked in i think you know because there was a staircase there next to the rod. And that's the president of West Virginia there to the right. That's the president of West Virginia and the white polar there to the right.

Shout to him. I got a chance to hang out with him. He was right behind home plate the entire time. I mean, he's pumped up about the West Virginia Mountaineer Athletics. Look at Bruce really having a time of his life far left. He's enjoying it. Gumpy's over there trying to capture him. Big Dusty.

I don't know if he was singing loud enough, but we need him to start belting it out a little bit more. And I think he brought it, certainly the energy. But it was awesome. The people behind us are every game. So they knew everything. Sure. They came up and basically told us.

Good info. Yeah, this guy's been a little cold, but he's kind of been seeing it a little bit better. Bang, home run. It's like, yep, thank you for that. Then we got a guy, Lumsden, I think is his name, his walk-up song,

Smooth Operator. And I think that's him, like, telling himself, like, hey, be smooth here. Absolutely. He's ball player. Yeah, absolute ball player. Gavin Kelly, he wasn't even that hot with the bat, but he was making plays.

He was getting around there. We had a goose, may not believe is his name. He has like third most stolen bases in the history of mountain years. Not a power hitter. It was like, we, we, hey, West Virginia might win his whole day. Pop bats. West Virginia and I've never been a baseball fan really until

recently, which Team USA kind of brought me into that shout to everybody. And obviously, I don't think anybody really knew West Virginia had a baseball team until this recent Randy Maisie kind of run that he had whenever he was hired. And it's become something special. I mean, the whole city's shown up out there. Now, that hill is steep. That Randy's Ridge.

where people are saying at. Mountaineers. I mean, that's the name of the team. So it is mountains. Like, it is up on top of each other. I can't wait to see what they end up doing with that. Because it is a special environment, and everybody can kind of come there.

Those storms obviously got very scary. Very, very scary. But that's going to happen in West Virginia whenever you're at the altitude, buddy. It's going to be coming and going in there. And the baseball team, I think it's staying for the long haul. Shout to them. I appreciate that.

Okay, let's get the hell out of here, boys. Let's go do something. There we go. We go. We go. Hey, we've on go, boys. Wake up. Sick.

A gong show. Yeah. It's a gong show, boys. Last night, we were hanging out in the cafeteria, and then we sat on the patio, and we looked around, we realized we're kind of the only ones on the entire campus. Yeah. Could have become a little bit of a gong show. Bit of a gong show.

But instead, what it became was a great time. And if you have a negative attitude, all we got to say is get the out of here. Well done. Tonight we're banging. Yeah. Tonight we're clanging. What? Tonight we're having the time of our life as we're hanging.

Oh, yeah. Out of Madd's Square Garden. Thank you all so much for letting us do this for a living. Shout out to the entire crew here. Shout out. Yep. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And you. And you. And you, there's more.

Yeah, there's a lot of you. And vibe check for this gong. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And for letting us use this entire thing. Great sit. To the boys back in the control room at another building. Great work, boys.

Boyce. Hey, this one's for you, boys. Let's that sound like it, a mark for Terrible. Probably. Tonight we're going to try and not sound like that. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice. Might change your life. We're on ESPN tonight for the NBA finals in Madison Square Garden.

So stupid. Thank you all so much for allowing us to do us for a living. We will try to be an asset. We will try not to be asses. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Tea.

Goodbye. Thank you.