The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 180 - Antonio Gates, Ted Ginn Jr., & AJ Hawk Join Us For Three Incredible Conversations. LET'S GO.

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys discuss where Cam Newton may eventually wind up and what makes the most sense for him, and why Chicago decided to go with Nick Foles instead after it was reported that Carolina tried to engage in talks with the Bears. Pat also runs through the Patriots 2020 schedule and the Bucs 2020 schedule and gives his predictions game by game. Joining the show is 13 year NFL veteran, 9th overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, one of the fastest WR's to ever play the game, Ted Ginn Jr. Ted and Pat chat about his high school days playing defensive back and running track, where many thought he could qualify for the Olympics. He chats about what he thinks Cam Newton has left in the tank, the difference between playing on good and poor teams, how he doesn't care about the accolades or the money and just wants to play football next year, and who some of the toughest cornerbacks he has faced during his career (7:55-26:45). Next, 8x Pro Bowler, 5x All-Pro. Member of the NFL 2000’s All-Decade Team and San Diego Chargers 50th Anniversary Team, one of the greatest Tight End’s in the history of the sport and eventual Hall of Famer, Antonio Gates, stops by. They chat about his career as a whole and how he saw the locker room dynamic change over time, what it was like playing with Phil Rivers and what Indianapolis is getting in him as a QB. He also explains what it was like when the Chargers moved to LA and how that process went, why he loves how the current TE’s play the game, what it was like being a trailblazer for basketball players jumping to the NFL, and what he’s doing now as he looks to move into a bigger role with the Chargers (37:49-54:43). Later, AJ Hawk is back for another edition of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk. Pat and AJ chat about everything else happening around the NFL including DeShaun Watson liking tweets that make it seem like he wants out of Houston, where AJ thinks Cam Newton is going to wind up, the Colts not being interested in Tom Brady, and AJ shares the story about the first (and probably last) time he met Michael Jordan, and riding around with the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds (1:15:46-2:39:52). Today’s show is fun one. As always, stay safe out there and be smart. Use the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch, and keep an eye out for the Office Olympics on youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow where we’ve been giving out money all week long. Come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Thursday, March 26th. Already, time's flying. Got all those people saying, we'd be in the middle of March Madness right now. I'm missing sports too, I'm gonna be honest. Aussie Football League, fell in love with that overnight. Had a one night stand with the AFL. Had a one night stand with the Australian Football League.

Can't wait for them to come back. The NHL, obviously. MLS, the best. Now we're talking about the NFL season. I don't know. I got like six, seven tweets today. And this is how I kind of judge the validity of things. If I get numerous tweets that say the same exact thing,

I'm like, okay, so somebody said that and at least six people read it. So if at least six people read it, we can assume, you know, maybe if six people read it and had the urge to tweet me and tell me about it, let's assume more people probably read that quote. So who's saying it? I don't know, but somebody's saying it. And by the way, that's probably, you know, not the greatest way to cite something, but it's how I get alerted to some things that are potentially happening that might not be in my world. You know, because I like looking at the positive stuff.

Let's talk about this. Let's do that. Okay, boom, boom, boom. And then like six people tweeted me today like, oh, there's going to be no NFL season. What does that mean? Who said that? Why is that happening? I don't need that in my life right now.

Don't need it. The Olympics got moved back here. I'm already pissed off about it. Already pissed off about it. Can't be screaming USA at the top of my lungs in the middle of the fucking living room anymore. Gotta wait another year. It's alright. Another year of training for the Americans. Or

are they gonna be worn out because they're going on like a three and a half year training period? They're gonna have to battle through before America. And for their respective countries if you're listening in another country, I hope your team does good except for against us. I think that's how everybody should feel.

I'll watch speed walking during those Summer Olympics. I mean, I'll get into some sports now. The streamer dance routines, think I would have been great at that. Might have missed my calling. Could have got a fucking medal. Volleyball always gets exciting.

The gymnastics routines. One more year. Postponed. Let's just hope they don't do anything in the NFL season. You're going to hear us talk about today, possibly, I don't know what Ty, who T's and P's battling through a potential coronavirus. He said he'll be finding out the results on whether or not he has the coronavirus

within the next 24 hours. So, you know, maybe send a tweet to the guy. I don't know what Ty edited into this or edited out of this, but I'll say it real, the general managers have like a board. They all like talk to each other. NFL general managers all talk to each other every day. They have like a board.

Hey boys, how's it going? What do we like? What do we hate? I'll burn the river on, get them the fuck out. They unanimously voted to postpone the NFL draft. They told Roger Goodell that. And Roger Goodell promptly responded and said, what? Nope.

Forge the river, fellas. Forge the river. We're not budging. We're not moving. The dates will remain the same. Do your jobs better. Because obviously, general managers would like to meet the people that they're potentially going to be spending hundreds of thousands

and millions of dollars on to build their team. Maybe they want to meet them in person. Maybe they want to go a little medical. Maybe they want the Navy SEAL that they hired on their scouting department to have like a mental conversation to figure out what his state of mind is and if the guy will buy into the culture. All the GMs unanimously said, yep, need to postpone it because we would like to figure out what we're getting,

when we're getting, how we're getting, who. What we're getting, how we're getting, when we're getting, who. And Goodell said, wrong-o. Do your job better. I like that. I think it's awesome. Just don't postpone the season, though. I will lose my shit.

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Not easy to play five years. Not easy to play two years. 13 years in the NFL as a wide receiver. In high school, he was a national 110-meter hurdle champion. One of the fastest humans to ever walk this earth. He is currently a free agent. Excited to see where he ends up at. The last three years, he was with the Saints.

He was with the Panthers at one point. The 49ers, the Cardinals, the Dolphins, where he was the number nine overall pick. Stories say he ran a 4-2-2 in college ladies and gentlemen Ted Gingin what's up what's up hey how you doing hey we're reading through your resume there's no way this is accurate you've played in the NFL as a wide receiver for 13 years about to be 14 you've never made a pro bowl never made a pro bowl Ted, they're sleeping on you, Ted. Well, you know, I think I still got the better end of it. You know, longevity, I take it all day over, you know, going to a Pro Bowl here and there and be sitting at home on my couch.

Hey, 100%, I just want to let you know, I don't like that the people have disrespected you, Ted. I had to punt to you one time, and I've never been more scared in my life. You and Tyreek Hill, absolute nightmares to have to punt a ball to you because we know with the drop of a dime, you're from the ticks to the other sideline, no problem at all. You were an absolute nightmare. I was just reading up.

I didn't know you were a D-back, too, at one point in your high school state championship. You had like eight picks or something like that or five senior year. I did not know that. Yeah, you know, I was a defensive player of the year, 0-4. Number one defensive back in the country. Went to the All-American game and did all that. That was like my heart, my deal right there.

I was a DB, you know. As you can see throughout my career, my father pushed out nothing but DBs, you know, Dante Wigner, Marshawn Lattimore, Justin Hardy, and the numbers go on, you know. And that's just like what we feed, what we bleed. But once I went to Ohio State and, you know, with me being a quarterback my whole life and being a playmaker that I was, you know, I found myself just gravitating to the offensive side where you had guys like Ubody and Dustin Fox and Dante Wittner and EJ Underwood at the time at Ohio State and Chris, I mean, Chris Gamble has just left. So, you know, we had a lot of good guys. So, you know, at that time it was just offense and I was supposed to go back over, but I lot of good guys. So, you know, at that time it was just offense.

And I was supposed to go back over, but I started making my name. So I stayed with it. I stayed with it. Ted, you are, I mean, 13 years into this thing, still one of the fastest dudes in the NFL. At what year, or has it ever happened where you thought you couldn't get by a guy? Like, has that happened recently? Have you had to change your game?

Or do you still think you can float right by dudes if you have to yeah i can still float for sure you know uh i would never i would never give any guy out there the doubt that i can't go past you know my god i ain't that i ain't that old yet you know i know i'm getting up there but uh you know uh let me with it with the game has changed you know where, you know, you have to use your speed when you can. You know, as the first part of my years, you know, I just thought being a Blazer was the deal. And, you know, and just running by guys, you know, and not putting no tip on to routes and different things like that. not putting no tip on to routes and different things like that. And as I got older, got around guys like Ricky Prohl and Curtis Johnson and RC down there in New Orleans, you know.

And, you know, my game just has evolved the last like five or six years just by being able just to settle down and not really worrying about different things, just going out and just playing football. It feels like that Saints offense, Sean Payton and drew Brees if those two are together it's always gonna be successful obviously Michael Thomas a guy that you know very well kind of lit up the boards you were down there as well what is it about that offense that makes it so successful when is Sean Payton and drew Brees what did they bring to your game that made you an even

better player in a more elite player you know know, I'm always going to call them a duo. You know, they're one of the two best Tandos I've ever been around, you know, as far as coaching and quarterbacking, the relationship that they have and the way that they put the time in to push that deal down there. I would never see it again, you know. But, you know, you learn and never see it again you know uh but uh you know you learn and you see different things and you carry on and and it's a brotherhood down there it's a different type of culture it's the saints way you know and when you're down there man you're

gonna do things in a way that you normally don't do things at in different areas you know this that was my uh fifth team i was on and uh you know i felt like a rookie sometimes. I felt like a two-year guy sometimes. I think that's the feel that you want to have down there. Being excited. Every year was different. Every year was fun. I seen what they do.

It's just a great city to play in. The fans are great. With them two being down there, it's going to be unstoppable. You got to play in the fans are great and you know with them two being down there man it's gonna be unstoppable you got to play for the carolina by the way that was very intriguing to hear that you felt like a second year player was that a good thing or a bad thing they just keep it fresh that's a good thing you know it kept me fresh you know uh i mean when you get up in age like this you know you find different things to help trick that, that motor, you know, and, uh, you know, being able to play with guys like Marshawn Lattimore and Justin Hardy and

Michael Thomas and Bob Bell and Eli Apple, you know, guys that, you know, you, you watch come out of Ohio state, you've been known for years and now you go down there and, you know, they really intrigue of what you got going on and really want to be with you and, you know, see how your journey is to make their journey be the same. As much fun as it is as being on the field, off the field, as in the battle. That's a winning culture. That's not everywhere, obviously. You've been a lot of places.

I'm sure you've experienced that. When you were at the Panthers, the Panthers were a team team back in the day whenever they got going. Cam Newton's now about to hit the free agency mark. From what you know of Cam Newton and behind closed doors, what do you think people are going to see of Cam Newton at his next stop if he's 100% healthy moving forward? Oh, man, you're going to see an MVP guy.

You know, the way that guy trains, the way that guy attacks football and the way that he does things, you know, whoever get him, wherever he lands, you know, they got a weapon on their hands, man. And he's going to come out like a cannon, you know. And the way he's eating, the way he's preparing, you know. I've seen him go through this ground before. I witnessed this ground before. And he won MVP of the whole league, you know.

We went 15-1, you know. You know, that guy and he won MVP of the whole league. We went 15-1. That guy has a motor inside of him. He has something to prove. I don't really think it's about the money anymore. I think it's just about him being Cam Newton and going out and showing everybody that he's who he is. The guy that he say he is. Superman.

I just wish for the best for him. Whoever get him, they got a gym and i hope they're just using the right way i think so too he seems to have the personality where if he has to reprove himself he's gonna shine like i think he feels like that's the personality that he has because not that he would ever have to reprove himself he's already won an mvp he's already won a lot of games but to an organization to the staff to the to his teammates everything like that the day-to-day.

It might be like a reinvigorating type situation for Cam Newton. Well, you know, you never have to worry about it with the fans. You know, he's a fan guy, you know, a community guy. Anything that he come into, he's going to bring the energy that he brings. You know, I think in the NFL and in this game, Pyrrhic is a proven sport every year. So every year that you go out, you got to prove yourself. I've been playing almost 14 years now.

And every year you have to go out and show that you can still do it, you want to do it, and how to do it. You know, and no matter how it is or how it come to you, you know, you got to fight with the war, you know. And that guy put in a lot of time, man. You see how he's working out on Instagram. I'm an annoying person, so I'm a firm believer that, you know, it's just not play.

You know, it's going to be for real. And, man, he got kids now. You know, at the beginning of his career, he didn't. He have kids now. So there's a whole different type of motivation that the guy has now. Ted, we're talking to Ted Gidden Jr., who's played wide receiver in the NFL for 13 years. He's been screwed out of a Pro Bowl 13 times.

He is a current free agent. Ted, what is your mindset going into free agency right now? Are you kind of waiting to see how everybody plays out? Are you kind of sitting back ring chasing? What is the mindset for Ted Gidden? I want to play football man uh i've never been a ring chaser i've never been a money chaser i've been a i've been a guy be in the right spot and be with the right people and let's play football you know uh i'm about team unity uh

i'm about just being that guy when you're not supposed to i don't need 110 plays i need i need enough i just want to play football. I still got something in me. I still got enough in me where, you know, I can go out and compete with the best of them. I don't care about having to prove myself. I don't care about anything. Man, I just want to go out and just finish it off the right way

and just have fun doing it. I believe whatever team I get on with the type of leadership that I have and I'm going to bring to the room, you know, you can spark anything, man. You know, I'd have been on teams that I'd have been 0-1-15. I'd have been on teams that had been 15-1, you know. So, you know, it's just – and they're both great teams. They're both great people with great situations, great coaches, and great people, you know.

And just the apple didn't fall, right. And some did, you know. So I just want to go out, man, and just the apple didn't fall right. And some did, you know. So I just want to go out, man, and just play football. I want everybody to, you know, respect me for who I am. You know, I don't want to chase or be seen like I'm just going for money or anything like that. I just want to just play football. Ted, you're a returner. You're a blazing wide receiver.

I would have never expected that answer from anybody that had those two roles by the way ever that it's kind of like a broad brush that gets painted when wide receivers and returners it's like hey they're about the amount of balls they can get they're about the amount of money they can get they're about this type of thing ted you've played for 13 years and the only thing i've heard about teammates is that they love you then listening to your response right there all they want to do is play football i don't care if i have to prove myself again you're an anomaly i think ted and i think any team colts packers there's a lot of teams that potentially need weapons patriots there's a lot of teams that need weapons i would assume that these people are going to be very interested

in old ted ginn jr would you want to be now or would you want it to be later whenever it's closer to the season so you don't have to go through otas and everything or would you want to go through the otas and build that team camaraderie man everything, or would you want to go through the OTAs and build that team camaraderie? I want to be part of everything, man. My whole life, man, my father been a coach, been a high school coach and a coach. Great players we done had, nothing but team unity,

and that's all I'm about, man. You go in and you get it done. If I'm going somewhere new, i want to be right there from day one you know uh i don't i mean that's football that's being a team player that's being down with it with the situation uh especially if i'm not from from that area or it's not like a familiar spot i got to get there i got to learn i got to see what's going on i got to know when i'm around i like to bring my family like it's it's just not all about football. It's about the whole deal when you come into a new city. So I want it to be now.

I don't want it to be later. I want to know where I'm going. I want to know how I'm going. And I want to get in and just get going. Ted, you're awesome. You're your dad, obviously. Very important person in your life. Ted Ginn Sr., you said he was your coach in high school.

Is that accurate? Yes, my high school coach for track and football damn he created a monster your dad created an absolute monster and he was really really different in track like football we was like buddy buddy like brothers and i say uh track was like father and son like man if you don't get away from me man like we had nights we had times where you know uh one thing you never brought your home but didn't have no choice but to come home if you can understand what that was you know and uh you know I had nights where I didn't quit track only but I go back the next day, I quit probably every week. But it was just, you know, the focus that he had in track was totally different, the mindset. That's why to this day, you know, I think that track background helped me be who I am in the NFL right now

because it's a one-man sport, you know. No matter if you have a relay, it's a one-man sport. Everybody has to do their own deal to make that relay go but you got to work individually to be able to make that to make that impact on the relay so uh the individual work that i put in uh just helped me be able to go through this with flying colors and i heard i read on your wikipedia that the ohio state track coach wanted you to come join them, but you decided to focus on football instead of doing that.

Do you think you would have been able to be an Olympic sprinter or something along those lines if you would have focused on that outright? For sure. If I would have really went and read, because track was my favorite sport still to this day. You just can't turn it down. The work that you put into that man it you could do anything you can go swim play basketball baseball whatever you want to do like you're not saying the body of work that you put in for track masked over all sports to me you know and uh if i really would have went and ran track in college, you know, I'd have been a hurt.

I'd have been a little bit hurt for sure. Would you be the fastest hurdler in the history of the world? For sure. Oh, Ted, I absolutely. Because I really like I really like to be honest had, like, one track coach that came. He showed me a lot of different things when I was growing up. His name was Jenkins. And then, after that, I did it by myself.

Golly. I got a hurdle. I got in my garage. You see those white kids just get absolutely slaughtered by those hurdles. I mean, they get apps on the internet. I mean, it plays no games. You know, hurling is really a lot of work that you put in by yourself

and a lot of like stability. It's not always like going over the hurdle. Like, that's like that's the easiest that you can do. Everything else is on the wall and stabilize, building your hips building your ankles you know you do the same thing you tell a db this thing yeah that thing right that right there yeah

yep they always made me strength coaches made me do this i had to lean on a wall and they're like all right dude 15 or whatever get to lean on a wall, and they were like, all right, dude, 15, or we're going to do this leg cycle thing. And I'm like, this is not helping me kick a ball. That's the move. That's it, yeah. I bet you, listen, I kicked a 50-yard field goal in high school. What? And I was a punter.

I mean, you just added 10 yards on that. And it was all, well, we had to tee that at the time. So I had to tee it a little bit. Yeah. But that was actually like my last highlight of my senior year. I kicked the 50-yard field goal to put us up, put us down, what, 21? I mean, tie the game, 21-21, something like that. Really? Lost 24-21 to Brian Hoyer.

Freaking Hoyer. He threw six picks last year for the Colts. Me and my guy alone, Ohio Natives. Do you have anything to say? Ted, 13 years, you've seen a lot of corners. Do you have someone that you loved going against and then someone who you think was probably the best corner that you've gone up against? Well, well you know I've been on a lot

of different islands you know I've seen a lot of divines you know I've seen the Revis Island Camardi Roger Camardi I had to tie law you you know. You know, I've been around Patrick Peterson. You know, I've been around some guys, you know. But the guy I always respected, always loved his game was Regis. You know, just had a lot of respect for that guy. I played in conference winning for X amount of years, you know. And, you know, I always put him probably my toughest guy. He, by the way, him and Richard Sherman got into a little Twitter beef

because Richard Sherman, he said, isn't an island guy, although there are some stats that say Richard Sherman ends up one-on-one coverage on a regular basis. They're two different style corners. But there was a little bit of a beef and a lot of people are like Revis should not be talking like that to Richard Sherman I was like ah I think you I I think those folks that were saying that didn't fully understand the amount of respect that a lot of people have for Revis in the NFL I mean Revis Island was a game changer not only business-wise but in a football field well. He would shut down an entire half of a field, basically. Am I 100% accurate in facing that?

So anytime you were picked, from what I've been told as a wide receiver, anytime you were picked as the Darrell Rivas guy, it was like a tribute almost, like congratulations, you're on Rivas Island. And then a lot of those guys didn't have a lot of success. Am I accurate? Is everything I just said there accurate? It goes both ways, man. You know, I didn't watch Richard Sherman, man.

I played a lot of games against him back in our days at the 49ers, you know. And he just, like you say, there's two different styles of corner. They both have an eye. You know what I'm saying? And they're both going to be great. They're both going to go into the Hall of Fame. They're both going to be up there in the top rankings of corners for the rest of my life, for the rest of our lives.

There's nothing that you can take away from them. Numbers don't lie. They both have great numbers. They both are effective in different ways, and they both bring a change to the game. All right. Well, Ted, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. I can't wait to see where you go.

I hope you end up with the Colts, but anywhere you go i hope it ends up great you're you're a legend dude i appreciate you joining us today no doubt man whenever you want to have me back man hit my live hey if you get bored call in whenever i do hate what you've done to punters over the years but i respect the conversation with you no doubt ted ginn jr Ha, ha, ha. Well done. Ted Gittin Jr. Woo-hoo! Ted! Woo! Peace out. Hey, he was awesome. Yeah, I didn't realize his dad was the head coach of a pretty famous high school in Glenville where a lot of players have come out. Yeah, he just read off a bunch there at the beginning of all the players that he played with. He's like, basically, DBs was our thing.

So he had like eight picks, five touchdowns he returned them for and stuff like that. What an animal. By the way, I just like to play football, man. I'm not chasing money or rings i just want to play football year 14 wide receiver the amount of stories talked about prima donna wide receivers and stuff like that him it seemed to be the complete opposite there i love ted ginn love that man i'm a big fan of him he was scary as hell though to punt two oh he knows strider you said oh yeah your dad made a monster he goes oh yeah i know yeah 100 right yeah they put music on too whenever he would jog out there i mean it Oh, he knows. He was a strider. You said, oh, yeah, your dad made a monster. He goes, oh, yeah, I know. Yeah, 100% right. They put music on, too, whenever he would jog out there.

I mean, it was a whole thing. When you saw Antonio Brown back there, it was a nightmare. When you saw Ted Ginn back there, you're like, what the hell's going on? Then you see Tyreek Hill, you're like, son of a. This is just a nightmare situation. Ted and I never had to dance, though. Thank God. It's amazing, too.

He would have beat me. He doesn't want, like, ring chase me he doesn't want like ring chase or he doesn't want to play just wants to play football well somebody vote him into the pro bowl how are you 13 years at a position that is not easy to be at you don't get voted in pro bowl you know why because he doesn't care the dude just doesn't care about any of that stuff i don't think yeah because i saw like eight touchdowns as a returner that's a lot you'd think you'd get in as a returner wouldn't you yeah you would think i'm a massive ted ginn jr fan i'm gonna try to get his jersey the next place to go pull up in the office somewhere like that he said cam newton whoever gets him is getting a guy

that's a champ he said he got to watch him he got to do the whole thing i'm pumped up for that but will the chargers make that move tom telesco the general manager of the chargers is he a guy from the bill polian tree that would want his quarterback to be a very charismatic quarterback in los angeles he said he can move forward with tyrod taylor like dig said right before he went live why not just give him a two year deal front loaded if it doesn't work, you're off the hook after another year. If it doesn't work out good enough, maybe you guys are in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. Trevor Lawrence tried to raise a little money for coronavirus victims.

Clemson's compliance board cracked down on him, said he can't do that. The NCAA is going to hate this. And then the NCAA, by the way, Mark Emmert said, you can do it, but we're definitely going to have to monitor that account GoFundMe by the way is a great way for players because you couldn't you know you can't get the hundred dollar handshakes anymore that I heard happened back in the day in the SEC the thousand dollar handshakes that used to happen back in the day never happened to me as a kicker and bunner in West Virginia it's kind of a shame but if it happened to my teammates I'm happy for him

but now with GoFundMe in venmo's and cash apps oh my god i couldn't even fathom the amount of money just bouncing the mark emmer thinks he's getting guys no no no you're getting god i think by these i think there's a and that's why the gofundme the ncaa compliance people like yeah you can't just shove it in people's faces that you're raising money uh from other people but trevor lawrence being a good human by the way doing what he's doing now the ncaa is partnering with him, I'd assume. They're going to raise a lot of money for coronavirus victims. That's a good kid.

So not only is he great at football, not only is he the prototype, not only is he a good human, he's going to have to bounce back after a little adversity here after losing to LSU. But he's going to be the number one pick next year. And if the Chargers think bad enough and they don't think Cam Newton will work and you have no fans and stuff like that, just get Trevor Lawrence next year. Do whatever you can to make a move for Trevorvor lawrence i don't i don't know why they wouldn't go try to get him right now cam yeah yeah it makes it makes sense ticket wise like

for the new stadium because even the rams were one year removed from going to the super bowl and they had a hard time filling the rose bowl like and if if austin eckler was saying yeah tickets were expensive at stub hub but i assume assume at the Rose bowl, they were normal. And they, the Rams had a hard time filling it there. And I don't know how many games, a new stadium, like let's go to the new state and check it out.

Gets you as far as fans buying tickets before, if your team stinks, they stop going. I always wondered why it was at tone digs, by the way, at Nick Murado, also here, Jason McAfee,

Cuban Z, Evan Foxy, Boston Connors on the phones. One-833-622-3331. It always, like, teams used to hang Los Angeles over their state or city's head, right? If they wanted a new stadium or they wanted something and they wanted the public money, whether it was the city or the state government's money, tax money, they would hang over the head that they were going to go to los angeles like we'll take this team right to los angeles tomorrow you you want no new stadium huh you don't want no big deal we'll go to los angeles

tomorrow that happened everywhere that was like a lot what a lot of teams did now some places didn't give in and they obviously st louis lost their team oakland didn't give in lost their team it's like new stadiums are the thing that kind of drive the nfl at this point right new stadium in la but i didn't understand the allure of going to los angeles i think because it's such a big city but how do you i think los angeles is a melting pot of humans like all the people from their towns that want to make it in hollywood they go to L.A. So L.A. is a collection and it's actually a pretty cool community.

Right. Because you see people from everywhere. You meet people from everywhere. So to just drop them in a city where a lot of people from Pittsburgh, they have their home ties and they go out there. And that's like a cool thing about watching the NFL in Los Angeles on some Sundays is you have fans from everywhere there. That's it's so just to drop a team in there and be like, hey, this is your team now. I think that was always an aggressive move, and I never truly understood it. But if you win, they're going to come out and support because they become fans. But if you're just a mediocre team, I think Los Angeles is almost like a death sentence for a team potentially. Let alone two teams.

That's what I don't know, man. Yeah, because if one of them stinks, too, you've got to assume half the fans for that team are gonna be like yeah well the rams are better so this one it's like the jets and giants yes lakers and clippers they've both been around for so long so so long lakers clippers been around a long time jets giants been around a long time mets yankees right they've been around been around a long time. There's cities that have two, the massive cities, obviously, but those are like historic franchises who've had generations of fans. To have just two new teams, you're immediately competing against each other. So if you're the Chargers, it's like, okay, from a business sense,

we have to be better than the Rams. Do we have to be better than every other AFC team to achieve our ultimate goal of getting to the Super Bowl and winning the Super Bowl? Yeah, if you're the Chargers, you have to be better than every other AFC team to achieve our ultimate goal of getting to the Super Bowl and winning the Super Bowl? Yeah, if you're the Chargers, you have to do that. But let's make our first goal being better than the other team in L.A. so we can build a business around this thing. It's a very intriguing part because the Rams could be on a quick –

they're unloading. They don't have a lot of cap space. They don't have a lot of money. They are potentially on the downswing of things, which could be good for the Chargers, which even more so. You get Cam Newton in there and they win. You have a charismatic start. Your quarterback is a Charger.

The other team stinks because they don't know how to pay people. And you're winning. I mean, bingo, bingo, the Chargers are a new team of L.A. Also, if you're the Chargers, or if you're any team who possibly could use a quarterback right now, and Cam got issued healthy, I guess, yesterday, and you're going to get him for cheap, a 30-year-old MVP. Like, that's just on the football field. It seems to make sense.

It feels like everybody is in agreement, too, that Cam Newton is going to be good when he comes back. It feels like everybody. They're always like, would you take a rookie quarterback that you don't know, draft, or would you take Cam Newton's going to be good when he comes back. It feels like everybody. They're always like, would you take a rookie quarterback that you don't know, draft, or would you take Cam Newton? And it feels like a lot of people's answers that study football pretty heavily go, we'd take Cam Newton, just because we know what Cam Newton's going to do. You have no idea what a rookie draft guy's going to do. But the payments are a much different process.

It depends on how your cap space is. I think that's the biggest thing. That question was being asked. Would you rather take Cam Newton coming coming back trying to rejuvenate reinvigorate himself introduce himself to a new team new franchise new fans new teammates or would you take a rookie draft it's like well how much money do i have do i have enough money to pay cam newton because if i have enough money to pay cam newton i probably would try to get in on tom brady sweepstakes as well and the Teddy Bridgewater sweepstakes potentially.

But if I have enough money to pay Cam Newton, I think I'm going to take Cam Newton over a rookie draft pick just because I feel like we've learned enough from Cam Newton that his upside could be incredible. Now, could the downside be bad? Yeah, but we're in the same position we were in last year than if we're having this conversation at all. I think you roll the dice with Cam Newton and make him move forward. Were you surprised that when it came out that they tried trading trading under the bears that the bears essentially picked foals over cam cam

had one year left worth around 20 million on his contract foals you have to pay uh 20 20 20 for the next three and the carolina panthers said they reached out to the bears to see if they would make that move so it's like what did the did the Bears say? Now, granted, we know that the Bears make great decisions. Oh, yeah. When Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson were available, they said, give us Mitchell Trubisky. Foxy, there's no reason for you to bury the Bears like that. But by the way, nobody could have known what Patrick to bury the Bears like that. So, but by the way,

nobody could have known what Patrick Mahomes was going to do. Nobody did. That's why he slid all the way to the third round or whatever. Deshaun Watson, people are calling him Michael Jordan of football, but that has been said about a lot of people, a lot of coaches. He would have never known that. Mitchell Trubisky, you know, he was really good a year ago. Something happened this past year where he got really bad.

So I'm not saying they make all bad decisions. Khalil Mack signing was obviously a good one. But to pick Nick Foles over Cam Newton is a very interesting decision that had to be made by the Chicago Bears brass, and they did that. I just feel like with that defense, get a quarterback that can run the ball too and just drain the clock, that feels like that's potentially the right move. Or are they scared of that Cam Newton wasn't going to come back? The doctor in Atlanta who went to the same med school that I think all these

other people went to said, yeah, he's good. He's ready to go. And he's going to, oh, man, I think that's a bad decision. I don't think they're ready to move on from Mitch yet. I think they wanted a veteran who they think Mitch could possibly battle and win against to make themselves look better. Look at Pace. If Pace brings in Foles and Trubisky somehow, some way outperforms him,

he's going to look like a genius. Oh, so he's setting himself up to look like a smarter guy. So he's like, the Jaguars paid this guy $80 million. Okay? Okay? I didn't do that. I didn't deal with Mitchell Trubisky. And look at our Mitch.

Look at our baby boy Mitch. You guys are always comparing him to Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. No, no. Let's compare him to some other quarterbacks that have been paid like big richard nick foals down in jacksonville a super bowl mvp my guy mitch is better than him and i'll eat that 60 million dollars we got to pay just to prove that point i love that by pay if he's that spiteful and making that move i love that move you know that's kind of very similar to is like Tannehill. Like the Dolphins paid this guy $110 million. If he comes in and Mariota can't beat out this guy,

then he's not the guy. Tannehill did, by the way. Yeah. Tannehill did beat out Mariota. And if Foles does the same to Trubisky, then same situation. Nick Foles already paid, though. Tannehill got repaid again. $113 million for that guy good

for him joining us now is a man who's going to be a hall of famer he officially retired in january he was dominant on the basketball court but it wasn't until he found the nfl tight end position that it became a household name in a legend everywhere ladies and gentlemen former tight end of the chargers an all-pro a pro bowler an absolute stud and tanya gates how y'all doing how y'all doing man hey you got a chance to experience the wave of technology with us there whenever we thought we were alive and then We weren't live. We appreciate your patience and joining us today. Oh No worries, man. I was like my career man. I've watched a lot of things

Came in and oh two and you know finished up in 2018 and I tell you it was not the same. It was totally different in that locker room. So I'm all for it. I'm cool. Okay, so that is a great question. As a man who's been there for so long with the Chargers, whenever the Chargers make that move from San Diego to Los Angeles, we talked to Austin Eckler about it,

but he was just there for the post time basically. He never really got to play in San Diego for the move. How wearing was that move on the players deciding to go from san diego to los angeles and how long in advance did you guys know before the public knew not much longer uh because i think the whole idea was that we were trying to get a new stadium in san diego and uh you know unfortunately uh you know we weren't able to accomplish that so uh you you know, with that being said, I believe that LA was a surprise to all of us. I mean, we might have known shortly right after the public.

And it was, man, it was a tough transition, especially from a guy that, you know, that's all I've known up until that point is just the true charge of fans that was in San Diego, man. It was just a unbelievable situation man like i said we we was hopeful that those fans would still follow us when we got to l.a and uh some of them did and some of them still support us to the day yeah it seemed like it was a tough decision because it seemed like the a lot of the fans turned on spanos and then la became the new home and pushing los angeles and And San Diego was kind of forgotten about. Whenever people would say the Chargers,

they would still say San Diego Chargers, and then they would correct themselves. So it was almost like a subtle shot at San Diego every single time a commentator made a mistake. But you guys, you and Phil had such an incredible run of the Chargers of old back in the day. Now, granted, there's a chance to get back in that. And just a couple years ago, there was a playoff run there

that ultimately ended in Foxborough, which a lot of AFC playoff hopes did. But that run you and Phil Rivers went on was nothing short of majestic to watch. Did you ever expect in your life that a guy from Carolina who's got 75 kids would be the man that you'd be a tag team partner with for so long and have so much success with? No, man, and I think that was the beauty of it all. You know, I mean, you talk about two different guys from two different backgrounds. long and have so much success with. No, man. And I think that was the beauty of it all. You know, I mean, you talk about two different guys from two different backgrounds.

And what was unique is that, you know, most of the time when you think of some type of chemistry, you think of somebody who's been on the same page consistently. And it was times that we weren't on the same page. And I thought that's what made us strong because we've seen it from different angles. And my weakness was his strength. My strength was his weaknesses.

And that's what made us collectively just, you know what I mean, that much more difficult to deal with. And we applied it that way. You know, we'd go out into a game, and there were things that I wanted to get done that he probably didn't see or foresee on film. And we got it done because it was ultimately a team for us to go out and try to adapt, if you will.

That would probably be the proper word to use. We were able to adapt in a game situation. Probably better than the majority of the time that you've seen in the past. Jacob Hester told me that Phillip Rivers, and this is a shot at you, by the way, because you were one of his teammates. He said that Phillip Rivers was his favorite teammate because of how much he loved football and basically his entire life revolved around ball and his family.

Do you echo those same sentiments? Like are the people of Indianapolis and the Colts members in that locker room, are they going to love having Phillip Rivers around? Oh, yeah, man, absolutely. You got to remember that the organization, the coaching staff was with Phillip. So, I mean, you're talking about Jay Mike, Nick, Craig, you know, the whole staff basically that was with us in San Diego, they know him very well. He knows them very well.

I know him very well. And it's like a reunion in a sense. You know, they won't miss a beat. They're going to still apply the same things. And that's great because I think they just fit right in. I always talk to them. When we did talk briefly, I always felt like that was the best situation for them just for the simple fact that they got the same, similar weapons.

And then they got a phenomenal running game with that defense. And then you add a quarterback that can obviously make your passing game go from good to elite. And I think they just got an opportunity now of a lifetime when you add a quarterback that can obviously make your passing game go from good to elite, and I think they've just got an opportunity now of a lifetime when you add a guy like that. It's coming out that the Colts picked Phillip Rivers over Tom Brady, which is probably because of the comfort level that the coaching staff has with Phil from your days in San Diego.

Let's revisit your days in San Diego. Back in the day, a basketball player becoming an NFL player was not the norm. You kind of set a trend for a bunch of guys these days who play other sports and then think they can have a shot in the NFL it doesn't always work as smoothly as you made it seem was there any questions early in your football career in the NFL you're like I don't know if I'm going to be able to figure this out or this is a lot harder than I thought it was? Or did the game come very easily to you at the NFL level? Well, you know, obviously it was a lot harder than what people perceive it to be

because it's still the National Football League. I think the number one thing when I do talk to players that have that same urge to make that transition is just it comes with a lot of toughness. I think my inner city, growing up in inner city, came with toughness and overcoming adversity. So just because you're a basketball player and you've got athleticism, you just can't jump into a football game.

I mean, I had dislocated fingers. I played with high ankle sprains. So to me, the physicality of the game, me being from a certain background, it helped me flourish in that game a lot. Obviously, the athleticism was natural and things of that nature, but I always try to say that when I got there, when you talk about guys 295 pounds moving just as quickly as you or just as swift as you were,

that's something that you just don't see on the basketball court or any other sport in that respect. So when guys want to make that transition and just come from another sport or rather I've seen guys that ran track that said they want to come play receiver or play quarterback or play in the National Football League, just remember that. Don't underestimate the fact that the physicality part and having that toughness that to me that was the biggest uh attribute that i had coming into the to the league is that uh marty sean harmer

was able to see the fact that i was still tough uh despite all the things that you know all athleticism and all the attributes that i was able to carry signing in 2002 that was old school football that was three a day still that was three-a-day still. That was no rules going across the middle. What was the first shot that you can remember being like, damn, these guys hit over here? I know. You know, it's funny because when I went to the Chargers,

you know, I had an opportunity to go on. Like, I got, you know, contracts from other teams. But to me, the Chargers were a team I kind of, like, did an overview with, and I was like, I don't know none of these guys. Maybe this is an easier team to make. And I was just more surprised. Because what you fell in love with at that time when you're making that transition from the college level to the pros is that you assume that the teams that are considered the bad teams are the teams with the less talent.

That was what I thought when I got there. And when I got there, I was the number four tight end in the league, and I was calling back home, and I was telling my friends, and I was like, man, these dudes all can play. These dudes are good. So, you know what I mean? But you remember that they were getting all these draft picks. You know what I mean?

They had Zip drafted Drew Brees. They had drafted, you know, LT. They had drafted Tim Jammer. So I was unaware of the fact that the talent level that was there, you know what I'm saying, because I hadn't heard much about them. You know, they wouldn't win as much in that time frame. That was early 2000s. The last time they had been to a playoff was in 1994.

So I think I was just surprised by the talent level of a team that was playing so poorly in that time frame. And when you get there, man, like I said, it was just – I can't put into words on how difficult it is to make a team that's a force tight end. So I figured especially teams with my route, and you hear coaches talk about it. You hear on shows that they allude to the idea of, okay,

you've got to make this team on special teams when you become a rookie free agent. And that was my thought process. I never in a million years had the thought process of going out and playing and starting. That was not my goal. My goal was at the time to take it one step at a time, make the special teams a time make the special teams roster make the active roster uh i was actually surprised when i made the active

roster because you know they were cutting guys that i thought should have been starting you can only imagine how i was feeling as a free agent when i see guys coming from nebraska and you know these big universities and here i am, a basketball player, and I'm sitting there and the cuts are coming up. I'm in a hotel room and I'm like, golly, they let him go yesterday? That's kind of what my thought process was. I would say to myself, because guys were

much more advanced than I was at the time because I hadn't played. Well, I think the Chargers made the right decision keeping you around. It obviously worked out. We have a minute and a half left before a hard out but I want to ask you obviously I enjoyed your work on the grind I enjoyed you on the field I can't wait for your hall of fame speech the tight end position has become more important than it has ever been before I mean Gronk, Kelsey, Kittle you name it it's becoming a household name are you enjoying what

tight ends have become in the NFL, or do you think it's a completely different position than back in the day? No, I love it. I do, man. I think we finally did not just do, and it stems from the guys even before me that paved the way. I mean, it's a list of guys that have done a lot of different things that has the same effect on their organization.

And I think that's why it's so very difficult to talk about when you talk about the greatest. So many guys impacted the position and they impacted their organization. I think that's what's more important than anything. But to see it go to the point where it's at now, who could have dreamed it? Because when I got to the lead, you know, guys was not doing, you know, going for 1,000 yards, catching 10-plus touchdowns, you know what I mean, 100 catches, you know, 100 receptions.

This just wasn't really the thing. It was the tight end position with, you know, you had to be 265. You had to block power. You had to block counter. You had to block actual. You had the black power. You had the black counter. You had the black eye show.

So, you know, obviously my ability alone allowed me to be a little bit more open-minded with me because I was a basketball player. So it helped, obviously, make that transition in terms of guys being in space more. And I'm glad to see it. You know, every team I look at now is a guy at that position that can beat you, that can hurt you, and I now there's a guy at that position that can beat you that can hurt you and i think that's that's a beautiful thing i think the thing that i've really enjoyed is you and gonzalez obviously were the two names of the past right you and gonzalez were the two names of the past now that san francisco 49ers team george kiddo is almost the face of that

entire franchise at tight end gronk as soon as he leaves the New England Patriots, they become a completely different team. Kelsey is a weapon for the Chiefs that they'll need for a long time. I'm excited to see the evolution of tight end still become the dominant player and see who's next, but I'll tell you what, a lot of those people, I would assume they all grew up watching old Gates film.

You're an absolute stud on the field, brother. It was fun to watch. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. And I appreciate what they've done to continue to, you know, carry that tradition because it's not easy. I know that when you're the face of a franchise like Kittles or Kelsey or Gronk, probably Gronk retired. But I understand the dynamic of being, you know,

when you're involved in that passing game heavily and you're counted on, you know, your team's trust, your organization's trust you to make plays in a game. It's not easy. It takes a lot of hard work and a lot of, you know, obviously sacrifice. So I'm glad to see what they're doing, man. And I'm continuing to root for these tight ends because I see the salary going up. That's one thing we didn't get is the money they were getting.

Hey, Antonio, the big news today is Cam Newton getting cut. Do you have any opinion on if the Chargers should potentially go after him, move him into a bigger stadium, or how do you feel about Tyrod and the quarterback situation now that Phillip's gone? Well, obviously, you know,

I don't know Tyrod. I watched last year, and what I do know is that I know what Anthony Lynn wanted to do in the past. I think Cam Newton definitely fits that mold, and so does Tyrod. Like I said, I wasn't able to see Tyrod up close. I was watching some games last year, but he didn't do very much. Obviously, Phillip Rivers is the quarterback. I was watching some games last year, but he didn't gain much.

Obviously, Phillip Rivers is the quarterback. When you talk about reviving a team, reviving a city, a guy like Cam Newton, he can definitely get that done from a standpoint of ticket sales. Obviously, you still give yourself a chance to win a championship because we don't want to make this all about selling tickets and selling seats. We still want to win. I think he's proving. He's a proven commodity in this league. He's proven that he can get you to a championship.

Now, where he's at from an injury standpoint, I really don't know. That's up to the organization to take their due diligence and figure out where he's at physically. But, I mean, you're talking about a big, strong quarterback that can run the ball downhill, that can throw the ball, that's giving the right weapons. I think he'd be an important piece if they were to accept him. And obviously we would welcome him with open arms if that was his route

to come to L.A. Chargers. Did you think there was a chance Tom Brady was going to end up there? I did, man. Me too. In a crazy kind of way, I did, man. It just put it to effect. It was just, you know. But at the end of the day, I just didn't see it being, you know,

because I didn't see other than the idea that from a stardom status in terms of ticket sales, bringing Tom Brady. But, you know, you get rid of Phillip, and you bring in Tom Brady, what is that really saying about your quarterback? Obviously, all-time leader. It's about every category that you have from a quarterback standpoint.

And he's younger. That was where it got tricky for me, because you bring in a Tom Brady, and obviously your ticket sales goes up tremendously because that's Tom Brady, the proven winner. With that defense, and I know our defense will be very good this year because we had some injuries last year. But, you know, that's done.

You know, we've got to move forward. So he's going to Tampa, and hopefully whoever we land, we draft a quarterback in the meantime because we still going to need a future quarterback. What are you doing with your future? Last question before we let you go. We appreciate your time here. What are you getting into, Antonio?

Well, basically I've been working with the Chargers. I'm an ambassador for them. I've been involved in things up know, things up until this point. And that's what I plan on doing. And hopefully it can flourish into something big or some bigger role, whether or not it's, you know, doing something with the personnel, whatever it may be. But I think it's important to have these ideas from guys who play,

who understands what it's like to be in that locker room, who sincerely cares about the organization, which is more important. And obviously the Spanos have been, obviously, really my only family because they gave me opportunity and obviously just working with them has been obviously a pleasure. So I'm just enjoying myself, and I work with the Chargers as an ambassador.

That's awesome. What a brilliant move by them, to be honest with you. Well, good luck with that. Good luck to the Chargers as an ambassador. That's awesome. What a brilliant move by them, to be honest with you. Well, good luck with that. Good luck to the Chargers. We can't thank you enough for joining us, man. You're incredible. Thank you, man. Thanks for having me, guys.

Hey, good luck to your Chargers, man. I hope you guys sell some damn tickets over there. I know, right? I know. All right, thank you. All right. Antonio, good luck. Thank you, buddy.

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until I got drafted by the Indianapolis Colts to join the Colts in 2009, I knew I was arriving at a team that had an absolute goat as a quarterback. Then, obviously, I've talked about the first day I met him, where I met all the other OGs on the team. They came over. How's it going? I'm like, like oh very nice to meet you jeff saturday dallas clark gary brackett adam vinatieri then this man from the other side

of the locker room came walking over he had like khaki shorts on boat shoes a collared shirt the glasses that connect around the neck thing it was in the middle of spring he goes hi my name's peyton manning and i told him yeah no shoot you're Peyton Manning. Very nice to meet you. He was an absolute gentleman. He invited me to go on a golf trip before he even really known me. And in that same golf trip, he told me to bet on red 18 because he had a feeling at the craps table and red 18, or not the craps table, but roulette,

and red 18 hit for a massive payday. Without him even knowing that it hit, he walked away knowing that it was going to hit. I mean, Peyton Manning was a great teammate. A great teammate. Peyton Manning, post-career, playing in the NFL. He's been a pizza salesman. He's been an insurance salesman.

He's been a hilarious actor. He's been able to do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. He hosts a show on ESPN that they've been airing basically during the days Peyton places it has 10 episodes it's as matter maybe 30 episodes it's this huge thing he's had success with every single thing that Peyton Manning has ever tried to do Saturday Night Live everybody says it's the greatest athlete edition of Saturday Night Live in its history you're talking about a pizza deal where he got out of it right before Papa John John Schneider decided to ruin his entire company. Peyton was already out of it. Everything

that Peyton has done has been the right move. Every. And if you really look at it from afar or from close, you'll just be like, you know what? That guy makes a lot of good decisions, not just on the football field. That guy could run for president if he wanted to. And I think he would win, by the way, because that's how Peyton operates and when Peyton was offered up Monday Night Football last year in the year before that there was always reasons he didn't want to he didn't want to have to critique Eli on a Monday Night Football game because he loves his brother okay that was always what the public reasoning was then last year was the same thing then this year whenever they went after Tony Romo and Tony Romo said no I'm staying at CBS and then whenever they want to try to trade for Al Michaels from NBC and it came out that NBC said no thank

you Peyton Manning was the person that ESPN wanted for Monday Night Football the Jason Witten thing didn't go great the Booker McFarlane thing didn't go great the internet let them know that these were bad bad bad choices and they were going to go all in this year first with Tony Romo now with Peyton Manning they're saying they were going to pay him 20 million dollars a year to be the Monday Night Football color commentator now I will say that the commentator schedule is much worse than you could imagine you're in that city for three days both before and afterwards you're kind of just you're meeting you're doing this it's a job it's a real job it's not like you just show up unprepared and just kind of do your thing there is a time commitment involved so if you're retired it might not be something you want to do but for 20 million dollars a year in one of the most prime time positions in all of football

the name peyton manning being in monday night football would have been massive for everybody for nfl fans it would have been great to hear old peyton manning's brain spew out onto uh the national network whenever the game's being played it would be nice to hear old Peyton Manning's brain spew out onto the national network whenever the game's being played. It would have been nice to hear him break down things that he's seeing, just like Tony Romo's able to do. It would have been nice to have Peyton Manning in there. But now for the third time, Peyton Manning has said no to him. One day before his 44th birthday, he turned down a potential five-year, $100 million deal to do Monday Night Football. And I want to say to Peyton Manning that I'm bummed about that.

I think he would have been very, very good in there. But do all roads for this Monday Night Football job lead to me? Do all roads just lead to me? I'm not 100% sure, and I'm probably going to get yelled at for even talking about this by who knows who, who knows what. I'm sure some people would judge. But do all roads come through Indianapolis, Indiana, for that Monday night football?

I mean, we're at the point now where nobody wants the job. Now, granted, I'm sure there's a lot of players out there that would love to get that gig, and I'm sure there's a lot of people that would love it. Because it's the Super Bowl every week. It's different. It's on Monday night. It is bum, bum, bum, bum.

Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Bum, bum, bum, bum, it's a big deal. And boy, what a massive role that you're sitting out there. And they have not hit on the last two. I think they think that. I think the world thinks that. And I don't think that's Booker McFarland's fault or Jason Witten's fault. I just think it's a scenario where you got a lot of eyes on you. So when you get thrown in the deep end there, you have to be able to swim. And if you struggle at all, people are going to say, there seems to be a lack of confidence, a lack of a lot of things in there, and people will notice it. But boy, what are they going to do with that role?

Nobody knows. But there's this company in Indianapolis, Indiana that just keeps on chugging along. And every day that passes, the price goes up. That's just what happens. It's just the way it goes. There's no way I'll get offered that gig, but I'm excited to see who they end up with.

Now that they've tried Tony Romo, they've tried Peyton Manning, haven't been able to get him, who will they be able to get? I'm excited to see. You being the humble human that you are, you've always said there's no way you'd get that job. It's not humble. Because I've already said that nobody can touch me on a microphone so that's not really that humble it's just more of like a a reality type thing but i mean confident i'm very confident yeah i mean

there's there's nobody that can really keep up with me especially whenever i put it into a top gear like this there's people that'll be listening like he needs to slow down if he's gonna talk about my football team out there it's like well you do you need to speed up your listening then it won't be that big of a problem, would it? But, yeah, it's a realistic thing. There's no way they would give that up. All right, well, even saying that, like when the odds came out a month or so ago

when they were trying to trade for Michaels and blah, blah, blah, there was Romo, Manning, and then the third favorite was McAfee. Vegas isn't – It's a real thing, I think. They know. It's a grassroots groundswell for McAfee. You were plus 450. The bureaucracy may not want it, but the people want it.

You know, you win the mob, you win Rome. It's what we've always said. You know, that's like a quote. But I'm not 100% sure that that particularly matters when it comes to this type of world. Remember, there's only a few people that are in charge of these things. There's only a few people. Now, will they hire somebody that'll be intriguing for fans?

I think there's a couple candidates out there that you could potentially go get. I think there's a couple people that could go get it. But boy, I think all they're worried about is 100% saving the legacy of Monday Night Football. I mean, they have to at this point. Joe Tessitore, Booker McFarlane, for whatever reason, it was not well-received by me. Whatever reason you're thinking in your head, okay, probably the reason why. And by the way, there's numerous reasons, but there just wasn't well-received by some people. I didn't hate it because I like Joe. I've never really met Book, but I like Joe as a person. So I didn't hate it, but people did, right? In the Witten one,

same thing. I mean, for whatever reason, the Witten one the Witten one so this one they have to hit on for the legacy of Monday night football and whenever you're getting publicly turned down that's a very interesting scenario to be in there what do you do next you're like all right do we shoot our shot at the moon again do we try to make this all public so everybody knows Al Michaels can't do it Tony Romo says no Peyton says no that's not a great look I don't i mean they're being dominated by every other network every other network has this a team that is very good and espn can't find someone to compete with that right now it's like herbie is so good herb street is so good but he's the voice of college he's the actual voice of college football so it's like I think that's the difference between ESPN and everybody else

is their A team is actually on the college football thing. Now, granted, were they assuming that that Monday Night Football gig would be the A booth? I would assume so. But whenever you've got Herbie, when Herbstreet is speaking, he's so smooth, by the way. And I feel like he's got two remotes on those telestrators. I feel like he's got it all done.

You know what I mean? But I will be excited to see what they do with that. Will they try to pluck somebody from another network again? Will they try to move up throughout? Will they try to talk somebody who has done nothing out of, like, Jay Cutler, for instance? He hasn't really been in the football world. Do you go get Jay Cutler? Because you know he's built up a cult following.

If he knows football as well as I would assume an nfl quarterback knows football he could potentially be a guy that could do good in there i just don't yeah let's say they do pick you who would you want in the booth with you i love i love steve levy oh yeah i absolutely love steve levy i and by the way i even whenever i put out a tweet about monday nights being open and uh andrew marchand from the post talked about how it's not couth to talk about somebody else's role it's like yo I'm okay being the third person in there like I'm very okay being

a third person in the booth now granted do I think I could be the only guy I think I could I absolutely think I could but if it's going to get some legitimacy to have an NFL quarterback in there and then my questions that I'll be able to get out of that person will be good too you know but I love Steve Levy I love orlovsky i love hasselbeck everybody knows that i feel like me and hasselbeck hit a nice groove there in that college football thing where

we knew nothing about those bad football games we knew nothing about those but we had a good time i mean i i think that is what i will say those games were a good time like learning how to do it and stuff like that but we're hitting a groove right as soon as it was ending, and then I didn't get to do the bowl game with him because I was part of the Cheez-It Bowl. A.J. Hawk would be hilarious too. Oh, A.J. Could you imagine Monday Night Football, Steve leaving me? A.J. Hawk.

Oh, it would be comedy. I can't imagine it. Yeah. It's not going to happen. You can dream about it, though. It's not going to happen. It won't happen. I don't get it. Yeah. It's not going to happen. You can dream about it, though. It's not going to happen. It won't happen. I don't get it.

You know exactly why. You know exactly why it wouldn't happen. We've gotten a chance to kind of look behind. I mean, when we made that run last year for the gig, and I thought we had a chance, I thought there was a legitimate chance. And then now that I've peeked behind the curtain a little bit, there is no chance.

There is no chance. You know how many people are working working you know with each other in that whole thing i mean there is just no once you see behind the way these things operate it is very interesting to be like oh okay so now it makes sense to me and that's why i think i'm about 10 years away from that monday night football game whoever they hire next we'll give them a decade run and then we'll get that next generation of executives. That'll probably be our go-to. Or they just find someone who's another one-year run and they just continue to fail.

Huge possibility. That is also, I guess, an option. I mean, that is an option, but will you tank for Tua? You know what I mean? Will you have another year where you can potentially find a free agent out there? Because Greg Olson, by the way, was supposed to go to Fox and get a big gig,

and then he came back to play another year. Who else? Gronk was talked about for a little bit. Gronkowski went and did that Fox Thursday. What's he do, dance like a buffoon in the box? Why are you going after Gronk? There's no reason to go after Gronk like that. I'm a Gronk fan.

I know you. No reason? There's no reason to go after Gronk like that. I'm a Gronk fan. I know you. No reason? There's no reason to go after Gronk. I don't know if studio show is his thing. I enjoyed what he was saying, but once again, it seems like not everybody did. But a lot of people hate how I talk. So I think I can kind of feel for Gronk. If you listen to what Gronk is saying, there is

some gems in there. His delivery, though, some people probably stand off from Shabazz because he's Gronk all the time. Would you do Rex Ryan? That's going on the chat right now. Oh yeah, being Rex Ryan would be perfect. That would be perfect. I've said

I told my agents, I was like let the people at ESPN know that I could learn how to do play-by-play, what, tomorrow by the way? And I got a text back you think they're going to let you do play-by-play of Monday Night Football and you've never done play-by-play what tomorrow by the way and i got a text back you think they're gonna let you do play-by-play of monday night football and you've never done play-by-play before i was like i don't think they're gonna let me do third man in the booth i'm just telling you these are things

that we can throw out there um but i think i think for me to do that you're gonna have to pay me at least 20 million a year at least at least that least. That's going great. I mean, I don't set the market. Tony Romo and Peyton Manning did. I'm just, excuse me, I just want to call a game. It's for the love of the game. Asking for the franchise tag basically. I mean, you're being polite really. Right now

FanDuel has the easiest futures bet in the history of futures bet right now. I was scrolling around because, you know, I'm getting a little itch that I'd like to scratch. So I started going through some futures bets on FanDuel because there's obviously no live betting right now. So I'm going through the futures bets,

and they have a prop bet out there on who will win more games next season, doing the New England Patriots or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The New England Patriots, who just lost Tom Brady Cal Van Noy uh offensive line coach special teams coordinator Jamie Collins Jamie Collins uh basically a lot of staples in that world gone no salary cap really to make any moves a lot of draft picks though which we would assume Bill Belichick's going to do well with. And a guy named Jared Stidham, probably quarterback. Stidham. Yeah, Stidham.

The stud, Stidham. Or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who have, especially if they sign Antonio Brown, will have the most talented wide receiver trio potentially in the history of the game, in the history of all of football, potentially, if you bring in Antonio Brown. Without Antonio Brown, you still have two wide receivers that combined for over 2,600 yards

last year you have an offensive system with Bruce Arians and Tom Brady coming together and a bunch of OG coaches including Clyde Christensen who's been a quarterback coach for the last 30 years in the NFL and Byron Lefkowitz who's been around the NFL forever and Tom Moore who was backup to Johnny Unitas back in the day you're talking about a coaching staff on an offensive side who are a lot of brilliant minds who I assume are going to try to make life as easy as possible for Tom Brady which was probably a part of a conversation that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had because Peyton Manning has a direct relationship with a lot of those coaches Tom Moore Clyde Christensen Bruce Arians I don't know how close he is with Byron Lefwich let's's assume he knows him. But I assume that conversation was one

that was potentially mitigated through Peyton Manning about a place that would let Tom be Tom, let Tom have a little bit more control, even though it's coming out that Tom didn't ask for that. But a mind coming together. Some of the greatest minds in the history of football come together, excluding Bill Belichick. Some of the greatest minds coming together in one team

with an urgency that they have to win now with a defense that went from number 32 in the NFL to number five in the NFL with Todd Bowles and let's assume they're not gonna be set up in bad positions with turnovers happening at a rapid rate 38 of them just by Jameis or whatever that defense is gonna be even better with an offense that maybe plays smart football I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers not only get more wins than the New England Patriots next year, not only is that the easiest bet I've seen on FanDuel in a long time

as a futures bet, minus 110 for both of them, even money there for both teams. I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers potentially go on a run through the NFC, through the entire NFL. I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers potentially end up in a Super Bowl am i riding the wave of what have you done for me lately am i forgetting that the San Francisco 49ers rushed for a hundred and eighty six yards before contact in the NFC championship game am I forgetting that drew Brees exists in the same exact division as Tampa Bay

Buccaneers am I forgetting that Aaron Rogers, one of our best friends whose face is hanging atop our show at all times, am I forgetting that he's in the NFC? No, I'm just saying with the minds that are down in Tampa, with Tom Brady potentially being the missing piece, a veteran, smart winner of a quarterback, with all of that talent, I don't think you can rule out the tampa bay buccaneers making a super bowl run and inevitably running into one of the young guns or old big ben in the super bowl and that's how confident i am that that bet on fanduel about who's going to win more games next year the tampa bay buccaneers or new england patriots is the easiest bet i've ever seen you bring out your hammer you whip out your hammer your social distancing so whip that thing

out as hard as you can you take that and you swing it not only like a windmill dunk like a son of a bitch but you swing that thing to try to break the button on the fan door thing and you hammer the tampa bay buccaneers for minus 110 on who gets more wins tampa buccaneers new england patriots i mean you laid out all the positives for the Bucs. I'm not seeing many wins here on the Patriots. Scott, do you want to play that game? Bills? L.

Texans? Billy O'Stean. Chiefs? L. Chargers? Well, it depends if they get... Tie. They tie.

Rams? They win against the Rams. Dolphins. They lose to the Dolphins. Bills again. They lose to the Bills. Dolphins. They lose to the Dolphins.

Jets. They beat the Jets. Broncos. Depends on what the Broncos do. Raiders. What's that? Raiders. They beat the Raiders.

Niners. They lose to the Niners. Ravens. They lose to the Ravens. Seahawks. They lose to the Niners. Ravens? They lose to the Ravens. Seahawks? They lose to the Seahawks. Cardinals? They beat the Cardinals.

So that's four and 12? Let's assume Tampa's going to get at least five wins. Let's assume that the Tampa's going to get at least five wins. I don't think we've lost to the Dolphins twice and the Bills twice in the same season. Congrats, they stink. 25 years. Yeah, but you lost to the Dolphins whenever you guys were in the middle of your dynasty. I couldn't even fathom what it's going to be like now.

Got no shot. Especially with Kyle Van Noy, B-Flow, and the boys down there. Ryan Fitzpatrick, potentially Tua. Oh, no. You lost to the Dolphins in New England when you had a chance to get a first-round bird. Never ever in my life have I been 4-12 in March, but here we are. Yeah, this is your new Norman. Yeah, I guess so. This is your new Norman.

I guess so. Yeah, you've had Tom Brady your whole life. Foxy just showed Tampa's schedule. I mean, that's... Cupcake City. Three rides over. What do you mean? Play the Lions. Win. Jeez, that's a tough one. That whole bottom row is wins. Oh, shut up.

Bears, dub. Vikings, that's a tough one. That whole bottom row is wins. Oh, shut up. Bears dub. Vikings. That could be tough, to be honest. I think they're going to stink next year. What? The Vikings? Suck. Why?

Because they don't have Stephon Diggs, the guy throwing his helmet? They got no other weapon besides our guy. Adam Thielen. Besides. Kyle Rudolph. Dalvin Cook. The disrespect. Yeah, I don't like what you just did.

No, no, there's no disrespect. I picked him to win the Super Bowl last year. Welcome to McAfee and Hawk. Although we wish it was McAfee, Hawk, and Pistol. We want Pistol. We want Pistol. Pistol is A.J. Hawk's father. He will be a guest on the show at some point.

He's the one who raised the man sitting to my left you're right mr aj hawk how's it going aj oh it's going well pat good to be here pistol probably appreciates the uh the shout out i don't know if he's watching live right now he'll see it at some point though if he's not watching live so yeah appreciate that appreciate you lifting his spirits up in this time pistol understands the technology he does the youtube oh yeah pistol is the kind of guy that wakes up at 4 15 every morning and reads the paper just naturally wakes up but he for years and years now i give him credit i think he's 62 maybe he reads the paper on his ipad like so he transitioned

wow he made a move good for him good for i'm proud of him i'm proud of pistol making that adaptation there to the modern world you're a guy that wakes up early every morning too, right? Five? Yeah, a little after five maybe. How do you do it? Hands a hawk. How do you do it? Well, I mean, I enjoy it. I mean, that's my time.

I got four kids, so that's my time when I can work out and have a little bit of silence. So it's fun. It's a good little start to my day. What's your alarm? What's the sound? Bang, bang, bang, bang. AJ Hawk, time to kill. Whatever the default iPhone thing is, I guess, is all I use.

Really? You know, I used one of those little buzzers that they make them for deaf people. I took four quarters of sign language asl when i was in college and it's a little vibrating thing you put under your pillow and it bluetooth to your phone and it buzzes under your pillow but my wife got a little upset because i would try to like snooze that thing every once in a while and it would all of a sudden be behind her head or it would be in the drawer next to me and it'd be so loud i still don't those don't work that well for me i'll hit that snooze

seven eight times if i have to i mean i am not scared to hit that thing i have so many aspirations the night before when i set that alarm and then bang that morning whatever it is goes off and i'm like i need at least nine more cuz nine more nine more nine more and then sam next to me is like no more get the fuck out of the house. It's an interesting thing there. Whenever, you know, your life is shared. I'm not good in the morning. She's the best.

Sam, my lady Sam is a, just a bundle of joy in the morning. Like it's a new day. We're starting anew. Let's go for it. I've never been around. She is sunshine in the morning. And I was never like that.

She's changing me a little bit, but I still can't get up at like 5 a.m. and want to go work out. I don't know how you do it. Yeah, I wouldn't want to get up and go work out in a big group of people or anything like that, especially right now. But, yeah, when I can go down to my basement and get a little workout in and watch the clips I want to see on what happened the night and the day before and what's upcoming, it's a good time for me.

It's like a true old man. It's like what old people do. I would say you're an old man. I think you are. I'm okay with that. You smoke cigars. You get a ban from YouTube. Wake up 5 a.m., read your newspaper, do the whole thing.

What time do you go to sleep? I was doing a little thinking earlier today, Pat, and I know Cuban Zeke, you guys cut to him. He has a cigar in his mouth every time. You got banned on your 10 to 12 show that carried into this show a couple days ago. Why wouldn't it be Cuban Zeke? Even though I understand it's not lit, doesn't matter, still promoting. That is a very good question.

It's actually a piece of sausage. I did not expect you to potentially throw Zeke under the bus, but I guess that's what cigar people do is kind of they recognize each other and throw them under the bus. But you're 100% right. I never thought about Z potentially being a reason why. I'm not throwing them under the bus. I don't know what you're eating on the mic right now,

but is this a G Fuel energy drink? No. Oh, I got it right here. No, I do got G Fuel right here, though. Give me a little juice. Fuel up! Get the juice. Fuel up! Get the fuel! Fuel up! I can't believe

you haven't dove into the Tom Brady, all the amazing answers he gave in his press conference he just had on his phone. Hold on. His press conference was terrible. He didn't say anything in the press conference. The conference call to announce him as a Buccaneer just happened on all the

sporting, uh, sport networks. They had it. It was just a call, a call. Don't know how we got missed as a piece of media, potentially to ask a question,

heard a lot of questions in there. He gave no answers, took the high road on everything. Appreciate that. He said he did not decide to leave until the night whenever he went over and visited Robert Kraft, which was after the Derek Jeter, Bill Gates, owner of the lightning conversation. You know, so Robert Kraft, which was after the Derek Jeter, Bill Gates,

owner of the Lightning Conversation. So he had one foot out of the door, one foot still in the door. Then he went all the way back in to tell Kraft he was all the way out. I mean, I respect that. He said he did not think he was leaving before that. Who knows if that will be the case. I don't know why Tom Brady would lie. But last night, Tom Brady on Instagram.

Hey, guys. I hope you're staying safe and healthy out there. I just wanted to share with you all some of the tips that we at TV12 put together. We're in a tough moment, but I know we can overcome it. Got to make sure you don't get sued, man. Just taking some of these small steps. Not you. He can't claim it as a cure to coronavirus. Well, it's funny you say that because i went to tom brady's link

in the bio he said that tb12 has some things to boost your immunity or immune system oh yeah and there's 12 of them obviously tb12 number one have a positive mindset keep a positive tb12 mindset a positive mindset doesn't mean you ignore life's difficulties and challenges. It means you approach them in a more constructive and positive way. Like AJ Hawk, like Tom Brady. Tim Tebow does this. What's that? Number two is stay hydrated. Okay?

Stay hydrated. That's number two to boost the immune system. You see me drinking water all the time on the show thanks to TB12 method. I've already read this months ago. Really? You eat your vegetables. Number three, you eat vegetables every single day. Try to keep them raw, though, because, you know, nutrients.

I like raw. Number four, consume vitamin D. You know what I'm saying? And sling vitamin D if you can. You know what I'm talking about? Sex. You know what I'm talking about? Sex.

There's a vitamin D that you can get for a shot, by the way. I didn't know. If you live in a place that doesn't have the sun for four months, like the middle of America. Alaska. Alaska, too. Six months, I think. Light. You can just go ahead and get a shot.

Vitamin B, too, if you're a depressed individual. B12 gives you all the energy. Yeah. You remember vitamin B shots? You used to have vitamin B shots in your- Like shooters? Like you take a shot of alcohol, you mean you drink it? Yeah.

No, I never had that. I think they were just giving us five-hour energy before it was five-hour energy. Consume essential fatty acids. That's number five. Oh, got it. Number six, skip added sugar. Oh. That's probably why a lot of people do that.

Hey, you started doing that. I did start skipping it, and then I skipped right back into it, though. Number seven, move for 30 to 60 minutes each day. I know play 60-something, but the TB12 is 30 to 60, whatever you can figure out. You do that at 5.45 a.m. I do it rarely. Number eight, get extra vitamin C in your life. Number nine, get some zinc in your life.

Number 10, eat lots of protein. Amen. Number 11, sleep. And number 12, get probiotics into your diet. That's the TB12. Oh, it's Brady's? Yeah, it's Tom Brady's. Oh, oh.

Yeah. What does zinc do for you? That's the only one I wasn't familiar with. I think it's like bananas. It's for whenever you get cramps. So you don't cramp. Yeah, so you get cramps only one I wasn't familiar with. I think it's like bananas. It's for whenever you get cramps. So you don't cramp. Yeah, so you get cramps. Zinc?

Rare earth metals. I think that's it. That's zinc, yeah. Oh, you're low on zinc. Get some bananas in you. That's what they always say. Like, you're cramping up at practice. Oh, Pat, you're low on zinc.

Get a few bananas. Zinc it up. That's what we were saying. That's why I had bananas. Yeah, thanks for reiterating. By the way, what I'm eating here, a lot of zinc in this thing here. Really? I'll get your blood flowing.

Yeah. 8%? No, no zinc. Oh, no. No zinc. Hey, you notice how Tom, how they do that. Like, of course, everything he says is good. Yeah, if we all did that, you'd be healthier probably.

But the wording, the language is very important because you can get sued if you claim that you can do something of what he's doing will cure you or keep you from getting coronavirus so it's just to to boost your immunity in these rough times we're going through by the way got me got me got me to click on the link as soon as i saw tom brady was living with that rose garden in the background and he's tom brady he said hey we got some ideas to build your immune system i said i want to know what tom brady's doing positive mindset check i was like all right i got that one and then i want to know all the other ones. I don't think it's going to be possible. I can't get into a grocery store, Tom. I can't get all that zinc and iron and vitamin and this and that. I can't do it. Right now is pizza time. Everybody knows it's

a big pizza time. Frozen pizza aisles have been sold out since the beginning of time, since the beginning of COVID-19. It's inconsiderate. I'm guessing if you, since you can't get into grocery stores to get all of the essentials that you may need to live the 12-step process that Tom laid out, I'm guessing you can go online and maybe order some of these products from his website. TB12.com? I assume. Everyone can? Even the average Joe, maybe?

Yeah, don't you think that's part of the reason? Even a stupid Patriot fan like you, I think. Well, that's the thing. I've been on the website way too expensive for any of them. If anything, it's inconsiderate that Tom would lay out all these steps and then have nobody be able to actually purchase it because not everybody gets $20 million every two minutes

like Brady. New England fans are handling it all very well. Very, very well. I know. I feel good today. By the way, he gave a lot of shout-outs and respect to Kraft and Bill Belichick and Jonathan Kraft in his press conference call he just had. He didn't say anything about Jeter. He said he had nothing but respect for the boys in New England. He knows they're going to have a good team, a well-coached team next year.

He took the high road when a lot of people in that conference call were asking for him to take the low road, and that's what TB12 does. You take the path less traveled to the top of the mountain yeah he does i mean did you really expect to get anything out of it i'm just exactly what i thought would happen it's tom brady he's the the ultimate professional the polished pro that's always going to say the right thing he's not gonna down like he's not gonna down play anybody like he's gonna pump everybody up around him that he's ever come in contact with that's who he is but that was patriots tom brady you know i wanted to heal tom brady down in tampa you think bruce you think ba wanted him to turn a little heel too like come on tom loosen up a little bit bud just let it out i know you've got that stuff pent up inside you

go ahead let him know about it tom go ahead grow a goatee oh yeah that's what i'm saying i want tampa tommy to come flying around. You know what I mean? One earring. No, but he was very professional. I mean, there was a lot of opportunities for him to turn real heel in there. And Bruce Arians, he got asked in the middle of that conference call when Tom Brady became the top and number one priority for the Tampa Buccaneers. And he said he didn't know if they had a chance to get him.

And then basically, like all the reports that have come out, as soon as he found out, they went all in to get him. And I think, by the way, they showed three highlights on ESPN while he was talking. Those three highlights of Tom Brady they showed from last year, they're going to win every game next year. He is so good still. He made a couple throws in that three-play highlight package

that ESPN ran back and forth. There was a couple plays where he had to move out of the pocket. He juked a guy. He threw it over the top. I mean, I still think Tom – now, Sean Merriman thinks Phillip Rivers is a much better quarterback than Tom Brady is currently physically. True. I don't think that's the case.

I think Tom Brady's still got it, by the way. I still very much think he's got it. And I think his big old brain is only going to help the entire place down there. Am I wrong in thinking that, AJ? No, I think you're exactly right. You could point to all the charts and different stats people want to show to say, like, oh, Tom, he's not as accurate as he used to be. His arm strength seems to be fine.

I don't think that's an issue. He was never super mobile, so that's not an issue either. And I think his mental game is only getting stronger as he gets older and he sees everything. So I'm not one to sit there and write Tom off. Even if Tom is 85% of what he was in his prime, that's still, what, top five in the NFL? Yeah, and he's eating all the Zenkigi.

Wakes up with that positive mindset, him and Wahlberg. Well, Mark Wahlberg plays nine holes of golf before you've even fucking sneezed, pal. I'm trying to figure out how he plays golf before it's light. Going to dark balls. And he plays speed golf, too. He's not looking to dark balls. And he plays speed golf too. He's not looking for those balls. He just thinks where they land.

He drops a new ball and then he thinks where that one land. Then he one putts and then he goes to the next one. He goes through, he shoots a 40 for nine holes and he goes through 40 balls. Each ball is just guessed to where it's headed

and then he just drives that area, drops a new ball. I think it went here. Oh, I missed this one. Maybe I'm off the green. Let me drop one here and then he just drives it there. He drops a new ball. I think it went here. Oh, I missed this one. Maybe I'm off the green. Let me drop one here. And he's not even searching. It's just a new ball for every single shot.

Yeah, and then all of a sudden he gets done with nine holes, and it's 5-15. The sun hasn't even thought about coming up yet. He's like, oh, what's next on my list? Oh, okay. Cool down smoothie time before I go and have my scheduled family time. Well, and also Bible study. Yeah, I think that's before all that stuff. Very true.

Does Wahlberg play at that fancy tournament that you play in? Yeah. I don't know if he's ever played in Tahoe. He hasn't been out there the last eight or nine years when I have played, but I've seen him in pro-ams at different things on TV, but I don't know why he's not in Tahoe. Are you the longest tenured celebrity in that Lake Tahoe tournament? Not even close.

There's a few guys. Like, Jim McMahon, I think, has come every year like 31 straight years or something like that. He's got nothing else to do. I saw that. Aw, shut up.

Come on. He's a national treasure, bro. I agree. I saw that 30 for 30 on the Bears was on ABC. And I got to relive a little Jim McMahon. That dude was outrageous. I've been around Jim a lot.

I've played with him in Tahoe multiple times. He plays barefoot. I know like you do at times and I've been with him at different things. I think you and Jim McMahon would get along very, very well. He wore his bears Jersey when he was on the Super Bowl White House visit. Good for him. They're telling stories about them all just getting

absolutely hammered on thursday nights and there's videos of jim mcmahon at practice just like laying on all the pads obviously hung over on a fast friday and the games on sunday i mean just the way they were living over there and then the roselle headband just the whole thing that guy was a savage man why is he wearing something i guess he has to wear the sunglasses, right? That's what, like, something? He had some eye injury when he was a kid, I believe. Something happened where he got jabbed in the eye by something, so he's real sensitive to light.

So, yeah, he always has the shades on. Who's that defensive coordinator? Tony Sperano. Tony Sperano, same thing. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, he wears sunglasses inside and all that stuff. Rest in peace. Tony Sperano passed away?

Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, he did. You're right that stuff. Rest in peace. Tony Soprano passed away? Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, he did. You're right. That was sad. Really? He did. People love that dude, too.

Tony Soprano, too. People love that guy, too. RIP to him. What do you mean? Well, the actor played Tony Gandolfini. Yeah, the actor did, but Jim Gandolfini. James, have a little respect. His name's James.

Geez. I've heard other actors. His name's James. Jeez. I've heard other actors that work with him call him Jim, so I just adopted him. Oh, is that out of Lake Tahoe? First name basis, they know each other. Yeah, you know, like people that work with De Niro call him Bob. Oh, we call him Bob here, too. Yeah. Yeah, you know, work with Bob.

You know, he's always... We know he's a pro. He knows his lines. I'm just hanging out here. Well, we're all Italian. I chat with Bob every once in a while. Who's somebody you met at that Lake Tahoe that you're like, I can't believe this person is this cool or this terrible?

Everyone out there is super cool. Michael Bolton was awesome. I think I've told you that before. I played with him five, six, seven years ago. He sings great. What song? What song? When a Man Loves a Woman.

When a man loves a woman. I mean can sing he can sing I I knew when my mom was big into Michael Bolton back in the day so it was a big thrill for me when I saw the list of who I was playing with the next day I was like yes Michael Bolton this is amazing he was he exceeded my expectations for who he was did you hi hi my name's aaron hawk my mom is a big fan yeah i think we definitely told him my mom was a big fan he was excited do you get starstruck around a lot of people yeah i mean of course i i don't want to bug people so i never like want to go up and introduce myself or say something to somebody but every once in a while man you're just a big fan of people you want to say hey man just appreciate your work. Hey, they know AJ Hawk, though.

That's a name everybody knows. Hi, I'm AJ Mother Hawk. They know that name. That's a name everybody knows. Yeah. No, I think you're obviously wrong, but it's weird. Do you go up and talk to people? Say you see somebody, not a media personality.

Let's just say anything, athlete, whoever. Do you ever go up and say, hey, I just want to let you know, man, I like your stuff? Mike Francesa, I went up to him. I let him know. He was walking into my award show that I was winning in the Heisman. Radio Heisman, yeah. Yeah, the Heisman Radio.

And he showed up. And I saw him actually outside through the glass. I saw him talking to somebody. And I waved. And I saw him lift his hand and wave at me and now it was came the moment like do you think mike francesa had any idea who the fuck he was just waving to he comes inside there's a big long line to go downstairs so we're kind of hanging out in the lobby and i go right over to him and i go gotta do this i don't

ever do this i literally never ever do this and i was like uh sir it's an honor to meet you and he goes hey how's it going you know and we talked for like four minutes before he said my name and i because i didn't think he knew my name foxy came over and started filming our conversation and he would like be talking to me and then he would just stare at foxy and then he'd be talking to me and then he actually goes to me goes this guy's just recording everything i'm saying right now i was like oh that's my guy he goes oh is that right And then he starts talking to the camera, and then he goes, I've been telling

people this is the next guy, right? Still hadn't said my name. This is the next guy. And I'm like, oh, he doesn't know my name, and I'm not going to help him out here. I'm not going to. I'm going to see what happens. And he goes, I told people McAfee's the next guy. And I was like, oh, he knows my name. I was pumped up about that. But Frances is the only human. Do you think for those four

minutes, though, Pat, do you think he was in his brain? Oh, yeah. Here we go. What is it? What's the fuck is this guy's name? I know. I was on his show. What is it?

He just kept going through it. And then he's like, oh, man, if I can only get this program from my back pocket that has the list of events tonight, maybe I could get a glimpse of who this guy is. I know I know him. I just can't put a face with the name. He's a kicker, I think. I can't.

He's not Bill Simmons. Blue chip stock tips though yes everything he said everything he said stock market wise is has really made a move oh yeah it has made a move was he giving you private stock like advice yeah he wouldn't by the way that's how we ended the interview is he him giving stock advice here i'm into the way, that's how we ended the interview, is him giving stock advice. I'm into the stocks here, some for you guys. And one of them was Zoom, which is doing very well right now, I think. Zoom is doing good.

Slack is the other one he gave us, and that one. Wait, did he do something that we didn't know? This was before the coronavirus hit. Obviously, Zoom is something that people use to work now. Teleconferencing. What was the other one you said? Slack. Obviously, Zoom is something that people use to work now. Yeah. Teleconferencing. What was the other one you said? Slack.

The email thing? Slack. Just went straight to the cash can. Yeah, Slack. Slack, yeah. Well, that's, wow. Is that insider trading? If you would have gone out and bought a bunch of it right then?

Well, I don't do the stocks, but I appreciated the fact that he gave the people that do do the stock something to bet on because Francesca's always right. If anyone knew a global pandemic was coming it was a sports pope yeah yeah national treasure mike francesa who other than michael bolton who's somebody you like kind of got scared to go say hello to oh michael jordan used to play he hasn't been there in the last five or six years but yeah jordan was my guy you know like I still say all the time, Jordan's the best ever. I grew up watching him, everything about him. He's the man. What?

I guess he is the best ever. He is. Yeah, well, he was one guy I was like, all right. I didn't know what to do, and I was stuck. I had to walk past him on the putting green one time. Don't even think about it. Don't even think about it. Maybe just walk off the green.

Well, I did. Believe me. I was like, my brother, who caddies for me out there, was sitting there, and he's like, hey, man, Jordan's like chipping over there. I was like, okay. And I was torn. I'm like, I don't know what to do. I'd love to talk to him, but there's no way I'm going to.

And I was sitting there, and I literally fumbled through my bag like I was looking for something until he was leaving just to try to like, I don't know. I freaked out. I blacked out pretty much. As he walked by me, he's smoking a cigar, walks by me, and I was like, I was bending over. I'm like bending over. I go, okay, here we go. Let me fake like I'm doing something.

And he like patted me on the ass. He's like, hey, congrats, AJ. And I was like, and I just froze. Like my wife saw it. My brother was there. He's like, what just happened? I'm like, I don't know who he thinks I am. But luckily, we had just won the Super Bowl the year previous.

So maybe he had an idea we won it. And I was like, oh, yeah, cool. Thanks, Mike. Yep. Yeah. What did you go with? You go with Mike? Did you go with Mike, MJ, Mr. Jordan?

I don't think I called him anything. I had a million things going through my head. I mean, that was the most anxiety-ridden moment of my life and excited at the same time. Oh, my. What a moment. You can never fathom being bent over in front of Michael Jordan whenever he realizes and acknowledges your existence.

That's a while. You can never prepare for that. You can never really prepare for that. Cannot prepare for it, no. So I was greatly appreciative of that. That really gave a little pep in my step. I'm sure I went out there and shot like 114 that day on the golf course.

Have you talked to him since or is it just a one-ass slap thing? That's it. I fear that that was our only interaction we will ever have. I think so. Was he wearing his rings? No, he was not wearing any rings. I don't think you guys will ever talk to each other again i'd say it's a safe bet yeah that's a shame you had that you

had that but you have that story that nobody else has could have bought it over a cigar moment hey guys are big cigar people he could have been in cigar magazine have you ever been on the cigar magazine no i have not i don't think i'm like a... I don't know. I don't know if I fit that demo of that class that you wear a suit, smoke a cigar, and drink a shot. You do. An aficionado? You do. Ohio State legend. Here we go.

I can't imagine. I don't want to smoke a cigar in a suit because I don't want to have to get the thing dry cleaned. Yeah. One-time use. Well, that's why you have seven of those fans in your house that just suck it out. It doesn't matter where you are. You still need to wash and dry clean whatever you're wearing. Is that true?

I don't know. Like, you can't wear that thing again before you wash it because it's just going to reek of cigar? It's like a bonfire? Especially if you're smoking indoors. Yeah. It'll be like, oh, who's the dude who dumped gasoline on his whole body and walked into this room? Like, that's how, like, pungent it would be, I think. I usually put my cigar bag on.

Zito puts his cigar bag on. Bag? Yeah, it's his trash bag I put over my head. Oh, I have three smoking jackets. Matt Flynn got me a really nice one, like a long robe, like a Hugh Hefner type thing, and it's really thick, and you can put it on. It'll kind of keep the smoke off your clothes.

Oh, so that's the purpose of a smoke. I knew that Hugh Hefner had smoking jackets. Oh, yeah. I got got one i didn't know it was strictly that's just a bathroom you just have a bathroom that you stole which is dubbed the smoking jacket but that is what that's for to cover up all your shit so it doesn't smell for the rest of the day oh my god i just learned something i love all chicago shout outs what did you think it was for? I had no idea. I thought they just looked cool. Yeah, I know. That's a smoker's jacket. Like there's a bomber's jacket.

You know, like I just assume like, hey, is that a smoking jacket? Be like, no, I'm always smoking in this jacket. I'm on fire in this thing. What do you think you do in a bomber jacket? You bomb planes?

Yeah. Yeah, but it is not military. You know, it's moved past the military. Oh, yeah. That's what I thought happened to smoking jackets. It did. No, I think people strictly smoke them. Well, in a suit jacket, you don't suit things.

Thank you, Diggs. Stupid. But you do sue people. Huh? That's not what it's... Suit. In a suit, you sue people. Yeah, it's not like you're covered in soot.

That was stupid. What are you drinking in there? You got a little G Fuel mixture? Yeah, it's not like you're covered in soot. That was stupid. What are you drinking in there? You got a little G Fuel mixture? Yeah, it's guava. You're all about pre-workout, everything. You just don't follow through with the actual workout. Whoa. Jeez. You don't know me?

Put that video up that we just shot. I just got done working out, pal. I just got done. Come on, pal. Me and Cam Newton are working out right now. We're both free agents. Is your Yinzer accent, you accentuate it for the air at times, right? Depends on what state of mind I'm in.

I mean, yeah, you do, which I love. I think it's great. I don't know how you don't laugh every time you have a nice, hard Yinzer line. Pittsburghie's the best accent. Yinzer accent is the best accent out there and for too long it's been you know buried a lot of people told me that i would have to eliminate that thing from my talking if i wanted to really get into this big time media business and i told him get the fuck out of town you need to have my big mike mccarthy on

do you have his contact can we get him on the show? The head coach of the Dallas Cowboys would be a good get, AJ. I have his info. I don't know if he got a new number or not in Dallas. Try it. 4-1-2 number? Same number. I don't know.

I got to look. He's not the most, like, he's not an open book with the media, I would say. You're not the media? We're not the media. We're McAfee and Hawk. Support the Hawk. What's this video? Oh, this is my workout earlier.

There's no volume because it's on my... Excuse me. And thank you. Whoa. Thank you. Let's get ready. Huh? Do we hit another one maybe?

No way. Oh, yeah. Is he at two? Look at the kids. Quick turn, quick spin, and dead. Dead. Floating. You didn't even jump. That the kids. Quick turn, quick spin, and dead. Dead. Floating. You didn't even jump.

That was awesome. Who's not working out, pal? That's midday pump. Were you wearing a harness? Because of how high it was? Yeah, because of how easy it looked? No, no, that was just. I thought it was like Cirque du Soleil.

No, yeah, I could see how you could think that. And because the Olympics are getting moved, you might think that's a gymnast. Yeah. No, that was me. That was me. You should do floor routine. That was me, right? You should see me with the streamer oh the dance streamer thing yeah bummed about the olympics getting postponed a year i'm being serious when i say that i become a massive

america disgusting cheering pig during the olympics for america i do i love it sports that i care zero things about any other time I become a fanatic about. I love it. And I hate the judges. I love whenever America wins. And I'm kind of bummed, to be honest, that it's got postponed a year. I'm definitely bummed. It was fun. I think everyone enjoys watching the track and field, especially like the 400, the relays, the 100 meter dash, obviously. Was there any but do you know any Americans that were competing in any events yet?

Like, is there anyone that's had, that just has so much hype going into it? Yes. Lolo. Ted Ginn. Did you say Lolo? Is Lolo going, jumping back in? Yeah, Lolo Jones.

Katie Ledecky's like the most dominant swimmer of all time. Yep, Ledecky. Chose to go back to school, by the way, instead of going pro after the last one. Lolo and Biles. Ted Ginn. Pro in what? Swimming.

Swimming. Is there a league that I don't know about? Yeah, Coast Guard. Coast Guard. With Ashton Kutcher and Kevin Costner. Exactly. What makes a legend? Is it what you do while you're alive or how you're remembered after you're

gone? Is that from that movie? Yeah, it's like the last screen, I think. Is it called Coast Guard? No. Guardian. The Ashton Kutcher movie, right? Mm-hmm. How do you know the lines from that? Jeez.

By the way, for only like real serious movie that I've ever taken serious, and I think I cried in that one. I think I cried in that one because I knew that son of a bitch was down there saving people's lives. I knew he was down there. The Guardian. I got some people's names, too. Have you seen Yellowstone with Kevin Costner? Yeah.

Is that the one where he's dancing with wolves? No, it's a TV show. There's a movie called Dancing with Wolves that he did 30 years ago. But Yellowstone takes place in a big ranch in Montana. It's legit. It's basically Avatar. Same plot line, basically. Dancing with Wolves, not Yellowstone.

Oh, okay. Yeah, Dancing with Wolves, they said, is the same plot line basically Dancing with Wolves not Yellowstone yeah oh okay yeah Dancing with Wolves they said is the same plot line as Avatar I don't know it's like four hours long I know that but I don't know

if it's the same I'd have to go back and re-watch Dancing with Wolves just watch Avatar again it's the best movie of all time I don't know no I disagree with that

until Avatar 2 really I think our fencing team was supposed to be really good for the USA team agree with that. Until Avatar 2. Really? I think our fencing team was supposed to be really good for the USA team. Yeah, I saw that on Kellogg's. Yeah. Karate was supposed to be good. Always. Is wrestling in the Olympics? Was it

supposed to be this year? It got kicked out, I think. Yeah. For golf. Was it coming back? Golf was happening instead of wrestling? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that happens. Wasn't rugby sevens happening? They did golf last time. Oh, yeah, rugby sevens always happens.

Kuchar? Everything. What's his name? Kuchar. Yeah. Ashton? Kuchar got like a, I think he slid into like a bronze medal in the last Olympics in Brazil. Kuchar's in the Olympics?

We didn't win? We didn't win the golf? No, Justin Rose did. Who's that? Where's he from? He's good. Oh, come on. That guy doesn't win the golf? No, Justin Rose did. Who's that? Where's he from? He's good. Oh, come on. That guy doesn't even know golf.

Our table tennis team, it looks legendary, by the way. Our table tennis team has no shot unless they get Frank Caliendo in there. True. Oh, they do have a shot. Oh, what? Oh, come on. Elaborate, please. They're all wearing the dodgeball uniforms.

You always have a shot when you're wearing dodgeball uniforms. Average Joe's. This is our team. That's our table tennis team. Yeah. Next year, they'll be playing table tennis against the rest of the world. That might as well be a winter Olympic sport, I feel like. It doesn't matter. It's indoors. Tennis. Table

tennis. Table. Indoors. I agree. I'm on your side. It's called ping Tennis. Table. Tennis. Table. Indoors. I agree. I'm on your side. It's called ping pong, but yeah. Do you call it cornhole or bags in Ohio? It's absolutely cornhole, 100%. Okay, yeah, you're right. You're right.

The bags are filled with corn. And they put them in a hole. Therefore, it is cornhole. Easy. I didn't know that. Yep. If yep if you pull those bags in the microwave yeah squirrels will eat them yeah squirrels will eat them it might what does sean watson do pat he's liking tweets or something about bill o'brien going to new england yeah he liked the tweet about going to new england somebody made a joking tweet about bill belichick watching this all happen

down there with the Texans and saying, oh, he's coming here. He liked that tweet. And then he also quoted Emotionless by Drake, which is basically saying you don't know. Yeah, I don't know

how I'm going to make it out of here clean. Can't even keep track of who plays for the other team. Iconic duos ripping split it seemed.

Good hearted men doing something is the next line. Being real mean. No. No. Something no. The next line, though, says good-hearted men making a bad decision.

I'm sorry. I forget how he words it. And I think that's what he might have been referring to. Billy O'Brien trading away DeAndre Hopkins. Good-hearted men making bad decisions. I think that's what he was referring to. Yeah. I mean, it's weird. What a weird time.

The fact that people, we report on things that people retweet and like on Twitter and Instagram, it's a weird time, I think. Well, that's how you got to get to the bottom of stories these days. If people won't tell the media anything, you got to watch what they're doing in private. What you do in the dark will come to the light. If you're liking tweets and

those tweets are messaging from your brain that you can't say, we are here to report it. That is our job at McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk. He liked the tweet by Tyler Conway that says, I'm just saying you could do better. Tell me, have you heard that lately?

Which is another Drake quote. And it's Bill Belichick on the phone, on a sideline, which is illegal. But Deshaun Watson liked the tweet, which means Deshaun Watson found that comical. Does that mean Deshaun Watson wants to be a New England Patriot? We'll never know, at least for another year.

But what does Deshaun Watson and Houston Texans look like going forward without his number one weapon and Billy O'Steage pulling the trigger out of there? I mean, good luck. He's got to be upset. I mean, they brought Randall Cobb in, which Randall's good. David Johnson's the running back now. He hopes to revive his career. They better hope that theyb in, which Randall's good. David Johnson's the running back now. He hopes to revive his career. They better hope that they can ground and

pound, as you say, and then let Deshaun use his athleticism and push the ball down the field. Randall still has plenty of juice left, I feel like. You lose one of the most dynamic, iconic receivers in the league, though, that you willingly traded away. That was

for a bag of balls. I understand the Bill O'Brien, DeAndre Hopkins saga that's kind of gone on, the allegations that have been made. But DeAndre Hopkins, when you listen to teammates speak and everybody else, it seems like he is like the model citizen, like the model teammate that raises everyone's level around him. He's a great dude. And you know in that receiver room, Pat,

if your number one stud player is on board and he's a good influence, it has a gigantic impact on that team. Massive news. Massive news. I got a chance to watch Reggie Wayne, obviously, with T.Y. Hilton. Reggie had Marvin. Then T.Y. became that guy. That wide receiver room is one where you need a guy that can lead by example in there.

That is something you really need because wide receivers, always very athletic, always very talented, have always kind of relied on their athleticism. And in the NFL, it doesn't always work like that. In the NFL, you have to be able to run good routes. You have to put in the extra work with your quarterback. You have to go to the jugs machine.

You have to be able to read a defense. You have to do a lot of things. And in in that position it's not always something that is a desired job so whenever you see an og do it who's very very good you see like okay that's how this works i got to continue to do that and i i think that is a valuable resource to have on your team now granted the cardinals now have larry fitzgerald and deAndre Hopkins. I mean, that is a wealth of riches for the Arizona Cardinals and Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury. But with the Texans, it's like, I don't know what the hell they do going forward. I have no idea what they do.

You know who they should sign? Ted Ginn Jr. Hell yeah, bro. I interviewed Ted Ginn Jr. this morning, and you were teammates with him. I would like Ted Ginn Jr. to be on the Colts. I would like Ted Ginn Jr to be on the Colts I would like Ted Ginn Jr to be on the Packers I would like Ted Ginn Jr to be on the Patriots maybe the Texans I want to see Ted Ginn have great success next year that guy was awesome this morning all those teams make a lot of sense but when you mention the Patriots I guess I didn't

think about it until now they could get Ted on a relatively cheap deal one or two years and the dude can still fly. We know that. He can still stretch the defense and open some things up. But it seems like a no-brainer for the Patriots to go out there and kind of get a value signing in Ted Ginn. I agree. And, by the way, Ted Ginn, he said, I'm not chasing rings.

I'm not chasing money. I just want to play ball, man. I just want to play ball. Got to respect it. He's been in 14 years now? 13. Next year would be his 14th. He was an awesome interviewer.

He was an awesome interviewer. I've had to punt to him before. He was a nightmare. A nightmare whenever he was back there because he was just faster than everybody. He always was. I played with Ted in college. I watched him take plenty of kickoffs back and punts at any time in the stadium. You know when you have an electric returner like that

and the opposing team is punting and you're the home team receiving? The whole crowd, there's this weird nervous, anxious energy that builds up with the whole crowd. I'm like, all right, man, just give them one. Give them a chance. Don't put it out of bounds. And the dude's going to make 30 people miss and score. You should feel what it's like to be on the other side of that.

I played against Hester. I think my first game ever in my life i think hester took the kickoff for a touchdown he may have taken a punt back on us too jogging on the field though and the returners jogging on right and the returner just does one of these to the crowd right the whole crowd is like damn right Now it's fucking showtime, pal. Get that punt off and then watch this guy go to work. Tyreek Hill. Antonio Brown. There's another one.

Why would you ever punt to any of those guys? That's like I said in the other show with you. Punt this one out of bounds. When it's a guy like that, who cares? We'll give up the 10 or 12 yards. Why don't you middle linebackers just run through the offensive line and blow up every single run? Why don't you guys do that? Because then they'll just hit a little pop pass right over the 10 or 12 yards. Why don't you middle linebackers just run through the offensive line and blow up every single run? Like, why don't you guys do that?

Because then they'll just hit a little pop pass right over the top in the middle. Oh, is that right? No. I'm, like, talking about Troy Polamalu reading the snap count, blowing up the offensive line, and tackling the quarterback or the running back before the play even gets started. Why don't you guys do that every play? You can't really do it every single play.

Troy is one of the best ever. But you can. You're worried about stats when it comes to punting. You could technically, you are that good, play you can't really do it every single play troy is one of the best ever but you can you're worried about stats when it comes to punting you could technically you are that good you could punt the ball out of bounds every single time in a game if you want it but it'll kill your stats and kill your chance for postseason honors and all of this stuff excuse me my job is to control field position why would we potentially lose out on the 13 to 15 yards of field position because you guys are scared for me to keep the ball in the field of play now we would play the fair catch

game we wouldn't kick it out of bounds i actually wasn't that great at kicking it out of bounds to be honest with you it wasn't my thing i mean i was like top five and punts out of bounds i think every year but top three like punts not returned ever but but what i'm saying is it's not as easy as it looks just to kick it out of bounds you've got six foot five six foot six guys sprinting in your face from either side it's not easy just to do that aj we should dispel that myth right here on macfie and hawk sports talk yeah you're right i mean i punted in high school i have a little bit of an idea of what that feels like i didn't have those type of athletes rushing over, but yeah. Hey, Cameron Newton going to the Chargers, you think?

Yeah, that or the Dolphins seems kind of an intriguing place for me. Doesn't Cam seem like he'd fit in great in Miami or L.A.? Like he loves the spotlight. He's got his own language that he writes in on Instagram. Like why not? I don't know. For some reason, I don't see Miami because I feel like they're going to get to uh and ryan fitzpatrick and two are going to be a duo this year in my head cam newton going to the chargers just feels like the right move for everybody what kind of deal does he get though what do you what kind of contract do you have to give

to get cam newton on your team it's gonna have to be what he thought he was gonna get make already which was 21 or 22 million i think but how many so but no one's gonna give him like a five-year deal, what, two or three maybe? I think it's a two-year, like $44 million deal or something like that. And kind of prove to us that you're healthy and your arm's good and you're going to get back to the Cam of old. Yeah, that's what I think is going to have to happen.

And I think, by the way, that's a good deal for Chargers and a good deal for Cam Newton. If Cam Newton hates it and wants to get out of there in two years, he's out. If Cam Newton loves it, bang, you can re-up after this year i mean it's a that seems like the right deal 44 million though is a lot less than philip rivers tom brady drew breeze at this point so will you accept that probably not i'd assume but i mean who knows what about yeah i guess if they feel like do you think tua plays this year is he able to do you think he starts on the pup list or is he going to be able to go hey that video of him I think we have that video.

That video he posted last night wearing Adidas shorts, Adidas shirt, and Nike shoes. Yeah, so he doesn't have a deal yet? What are we doing? I don't know. That's what I'm wondering too. Maybe because he went to a Nike school, he's letting Adidas know like, hey,

although I'm wearing the Nike cleats right now because they're most comfortable, I could wear Adidas. And his movement in that drill looked very good. His hip surgery was the one that allegedly took Bo Jackson out of his athletic career. Modern science with medical has obviously moved a lot forward, but he looked very good right there. I think this is going to change the draft completely. I think people are going to trade up to go get them. Not that they weren't before, but I think this video on Twitter that doesn't even show a completion, by the way, just shows his footwork, I think

completely changes the game. A lot of people are thinking moving forward. Yeah, so it's March 24th where he probably did that on March 23rd. I just wonder how far ahead he is of the schedule that I guess people thought where he would be right now. The fact that he's moving, I don't care. He's always going to be able to throw. The fact that he can move like that on the hip, that's what would be encouraging for me if I was thinking about drafting the guy. I got to go to the bathroom. I'll be back. I saw someone on Twitter say that the –

One or two. Which one? What are you doing? I'll be back. He didn't say. He didn't want to answer that. The real issue – I wish he had a lav mic and he kept it on.

The real issue with two in his hip isn't if if he can come back it's if he can sustain and be durable with it because i guess dennis pitta had something similar and his hip popped out again and that's what forced him to retire yeah well dennis pitta i remember man it was sad like he every time he would make a comeback it would pop out again and seem like it was so painful like you felt for the dude so that tua has a similar thing to that that's what i read yeah i wonder man like i don't know yeah i don't know that's what it's a tough decision like do you trust and also who's gonna be able to get their hands on them and really check them out right now right now no no one before the draft i saw they're using third party docs they're letting you use third party docs but teams are obviously going to want to get their own guys and

get their hands on what didn't they just said now didn't the league just come out and say no you can't even go see any doctor now in person you can't do physicals yeah but they can't you can't use third party oh you can't okay so wherever two is says in alabama or wherever work i can go to a doctor there though yes you just can't see like you obviously can't go to an nfl facility and see their team doc correct no okay So nothing really changed then? No. I was duped. AJ, I asked this to Pat earlier.

Would you rather have Tua with his injury history or Cam with his injury history? If you're like, say you're the Chargers and you think you'd get up and get Tua, or would you rather just sign Cam as a free agent? I would probably side with Tua right now because Cam has his arm. He throws different now from what he used to when he had shoulder surgery. So I don't know. Anytime a quarterback has any kind of throwing arm issue, like Mariota has the elbow nerve damage type thing,

that's what scares me. Tua, if his hip pops out, yeah, that's a rough thing if it continues to happen. But if his arm stays healthy and he's somewhat mobile, I would feel confident with Tua. And then, like, this video comes out and he looks pretty healthy. If he would have never got injured, would he have been ahead of Burrow? So now that this healthy video comes out, is there any chance that the Bengals start thinking maybe Tua over Burrow?

Wow. I mean, if this one video can sway the bangles or other teams that much it's a crazy thing to think of i don't know man it seems like burrow is the the number one without question but who knows man it's the bangles and they trade out of the pick it's something to think about because literally two months ago if he before three months ago however long it was if he doesn't get hit it doesn't get hurt like we probably have no idea what the Bengals are doing at number one. Yeah, I guess you're right. But, yeah, where were people – when did Tua get hurt?

It was like November? November, yeah. How did people view the number one overall pick between him and Burrow at that time before Tua got hurt? Well, I know towards the beginning of the season it was like tank for Tua because Burrow hadn't come on yet. I'm not exactly sure where they were ranked when Tua got hurt, though. Yeah, I don't know. There's no telling who's going to be the better pro,

but it seems like Joe Burrow checks all the boxes. But, hey, man, it also comes down to what the situation they're put in, the team around them, the coaches around them. And both these guys are going to be going to teams that are somewhat rebuilding, so it's going to be tough for either of them, but doesn't it seem like Tua to Miami just seems comfortable? It seems right? Yeah, I mean, him being from Hawaii, I think that's

a natural conclusion. It definitely makes sense. Put him in that climate, put him in that environment, put him in a couple commercials down there. Have him with Fitzpatrick, he can learn too it just feels like Miami is the spot for two yeah it does I just wonder what the Patriots gonna do Stidham Stidham's the guy right he's the guy I love Stidham he's basically a white Cam Newton uh but we'll see they might trade up and try and protect him maybe get him a weapon

yeah I don't know man it's okay so when we'll ask pat about it when he gets back so the la rams they are set up awfully like terrible for the future when's their next first round pick like 2024 yeah it was like three or two or three years from now like aren't they they have all these cap issues they don't have any draft picks coming up they just they however they structured everything when they paid paid Goff and Gurley, it just screwed the rest of the roster, I feel like. Obviously, Aaron Donald's a stud. He should get a billion dollars. But how do you bring

anybody else in? Well, they paid Donald. They paid Brandon Cooks, too. Now they've got to pay Jalen Ramsey. So are they going to give him a long-term deal? They have to, right? They gave up two first-round picks to get him. You have to keep that investment there, at least. Jeez, how do they feel? They gave up two first-round picks to get him. You have to keep that investment there at least. Jeez, how do they feel?

They're done. How do they – with the cap, they just seem – they're going to have to get Goff to restructure his deal soon. Have to. We just heard Pat yell. Oh, my God. So, I don't know. It must have – not sure what happened in there. He should have taken the remote mic with him.

I don't think that's what you wanted. He's back now. What's going on, boys? I heard you all talking. The Rams are screwed. Got a new logo. Got no money. They just paid Whitworth 30 mil.

Three years, 30 mil. He's like 38. I mean, he's a stud. I played with him in Cincy. He's like the governor or the mayor. stud I played with him in Cincy He was like the governor The mayor Everyone He's the old savvy vet

But man How do they keep paying guys? They don't They don't They got Todd Gurley Gotta get him out They had the highest

Running back contract At one point The highest quarterback contract And the highest D-tackle contract And No Yeah but they had Three of the highest contracts in the NFL

at one point on one roster, and that was a fun run they had. But, boy, you just can't spend money like that and then expect a team to keep going, you know? Well, especially if you – I mean, the jury's out if Goff is the answer, if he's the franchise guy for you. It seems crazy. I know Pat can't hear me because he's changing batteries again in his battery pack.

Pat, AJ's talking shit about Goff. He's just not. Come on now. Oh, you weren't? No, I said this is the jury's job. If Goff is the answer at quarterback, if he's your franchise 10- to 12-year guy to take you to the promised land, take you back and get a win.

I just took that as a slight. I don't know if Jared Goff is a guy, by the way. I thought, now I've been saying this for a couple years, win i just took that as a slight i don't know if jared goff is a guy by the way i i i thought now i've been saying this for a couple years and i got laughed out of the building when i first heard saying it and the rams were the team that i referred to because they had a quarterback on a rookie contract they were able to build this super team super team i mean you they had studs from all over wade phillips was running the defense that had like four or five first-round draft picks in it. I mean, the offense was loaded across the board.

Then they had to pay Jared Goff, and then everything went downhill. Look at the Seattle Seahawks. Whenever Russell Wilson was on his rookie contract, they were able to pay up everybody around him. They obviously went to a couple Super Bowls, won a couple Super Bowls or whatever. Then whenever they paid Russell Wilson,

they went downhill. So I said the model was going be, you get a cheap quarterback and you build up a super team around them and then you recycle and restart. And everybody's like, well, you can't do that because if you get a good quarterback, you have to pay him. You have to pay him. You have to pay him. Well, if that good quarterback isn't an elite quarterback, isn't a quarterback that can win games all by himself without anybody else then you're basically just leveraging and hemorrhaging cash against yourself with paying that quarterback and your team has no chance i think golf is the test subject of that for both sides of it whenever they had a super team

they were very good very relevant going to super bowl now next year they lose todd girley one of the most you know he's good running back whatever happened last year with his degenerative knee and all that stuff they lose him probably gonna lose Brandon Cooks will that team be able to survive and I don't think they will be able to now it's not just golf there's other big contracts as well but that team with their new logo new stadium is about to have a very new normal which was the old normal which is I think they're gonna stink and I don't like it because I like Aaron Donald a lot and I like a couple but I think they're gonna stink i don't think they have enough to really field a good team at this point and i think it's because of the way the contracts were set up that they won all in and then now you're

you know kind of fucked yeah they went all in they didn't win they got the super bowl and they they lost the the barn burner with the patriots what was the final score 13 to 3 yep is that right 10 3 or 13 3 yep what a weird Super Bowl that was. But so are you worried about the Chiefs then moving forward once they pay Pat Mahomes 200 mil? The Chiefs only have like $555,000 in cap space right now or something like that. They're like the least cap team in the league right now somehow,

and there's still conversation about them extending Patrick Mahomes, and they don't have to until at least next year. But if Patrick Mahomes is a guy, by the way, that I think he can – I think Pat Mahomes is a guy you keep in your facility. Oh, you think so? You think he's a guy that can win on his own? I think he's a guy. Are you really taking a stand there?

I'll do a hot take right now. I think Patrick Mahomes is one of those guys who can win a game by himself. Whoa. But I do – Clip it. Guys, clip it. I do think, though, it'll be interesting to see that team after they pay him and have to pay other people,

what happens with it because that's the tale of the NFL. You start having success. Everybody starts getting wanted in jobs, more money. Obviously, teams that can withstand that are impressive, which takes us back to the Patriots being good for 20 years, probably never happening again for anybody else. That's why it was cool for you to be a part of that are impressive, which takes us back to the Patriots being good for 20 years, probably never happening again for anybody else. That's why it was cool for you to be a part of that, Connor, in a positive light.

But now you're going to probably experience what the Detroit Lions fans have had to experience. No, no. We got Stidham. Stiddy is the guy. Did I hear him say he was a white Cam Newton? Yeah, he is the white Cam Newton, yeah. Why is everything about Russ?

Why are you writing Brian Hoyer off? That dude signed. He's going to get a chance to start and compete for the job. Wild Hoyer is 85 years old. We need the future here. Knows the offense. Veteran. Coach on the field.

Stinks. Does stink. He will be a great mentor for Stidham. The future of the league. He threw a good ball last year. He just threw it to the other team. You know, that was the thing. When he played for the Colts, he threw a good ball.

I liked his, you know, his moxie. It seemed like he was ready to go. He just threw it to the other team all the time. Why is this guy throwing a ball to the other team? You're right, though, Pat. That is definitely the model, especially now when rookie contracts are kind of slotted and you're not getting 50 mil guaranteed right off the bat

if you're the number one overall pick. If you can draft a quarterback, he can start his rookie year. Not at the very beginning. Let's say he steps in halfway through his rookie year. You have like a three-year window where you can bring in some pieces around him and you hope that that quarterback is the franchise guy that he turns into a $180 million quarterback that you have to pay. It's a great problem to have, but you have this three-year window

when he's on his rookie deal when you're like, hey, man, we need to hit it hard right now because there may be a couple years of struggle once we end up paying this guy and trying to figure everything else out. I think in the future we're going to see teams break their quarterbacks' hearts just like Jameis Winston has happened to Jameis Winston with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think we'll see it a lot more going forward

where a player will get drafted. He'll play good football, not great football, but good football for his first contract. And the team will ultimately decide to move forward. And that player will have to go play somewhere else. I think that's going to happen on a much more regular basis, especially if the tides keep turning in this fashion where anytime you break off a quarterback, it feels as if the team doesn't have as much success as it did before absolutely and think about it if there's ever a team that's not gonna have a that won't have a quarterback around for 15 or 20 years again it's the new england patriots what how how well would you have to play on a rookie deal as a quarterback say you're stidham yeah how great would you have

to play for the next two or three years for them to give you one of these quarterback deals like they'll never give you one of those deals gotta win to ever so well tom akib talib and rob ninkovich have told us that the way those conversations go is we don't care what you've done last year we just want to we're betting on what you're going to do next year what if stidham is just hitting his prime and they think the next year is going to be even better than he was before they're going to have to pay him more? Will Bill Belichick somehow end that conversation, tell him he's lucky he's even getting offered a half a million dollar contract,

which is basically how I think those conversations go. I mean, think of Stidham, though. Stidham could go in there, play pretty well. He'd say, hey, coach, if I'm in the open market, I can get five years, 150 mil. And Bill's like, okay, that's cool. Well, we are going to offer you two years, $7 million, with incentives that it could get up to 7.5.

So that's how good you are. I wouldn't go out there. That offer will fall through. Whoever you think is giving it to you, that's where you are right now. And he'll probably sign it. Yeah, you're going to be playing for a team that's bad at fucking football. Does that make you feel good, Darren? Why don't you stay here have so much fun you can't handle it and make a lot less money and we're just gonna win you know we'll find you a brazilian supermodel you can hey if you win you can do whatever you want though man it's true i give the patriots

credit like if you're winning you can't really argue with the way they're going about it yeah just not gonna happen ever again never not can't happen it's just almost we'll see impossible we'll see patriots fans man it's it's and there's always the chance of belichick just bouts out 12 wins next huge chance not that huge but it is a chance that it happens and that would be a shame but if next year they're seven and nine eight and-8, 9-7. Oh, no. And then the year after that, again, they're like 9-7, 8-8. Then the year after that, somebody gets hurt.

Maybe they're 5-11. You know, what happens if that starts happening to the Patriots fans? We, as a society, are pumped to watch if that does happen. But also, we have lived through a time where they have been nothing but successful for the last what 20 years so if their success continues i guess we'll be able to manage as well but they're going to be louder than they've ever been if they go and win without tom brady oh it'll be amazing to hear i mean i can't write them off i can't sit here and say the patriots aren't going to be any good but also another quarterback i wanted to think about

for the patriots possibly drafting what about about Jordan Love out of Utah State? Big, tall, athletic dude with a live arm. They probably would have to move up a little bit in the first round to get him, but I could see them getting a little excited about Jordan Love. What about Julian Edelman then? What about him? Julian Edelman, live arm, big game experience, athlete. Put him at quarterback.

He knows the offense Knows the offense Yep Excuse me AJ Oh no You okay? Oh no

AJ All those people Choking Choking not coughing Okay Been there How about the Colts Saying no to Tom Brady Choking, not coughing. Okay. Been there. How about the Colts saying no to Tom Brady?

Have we talked about that enough yet, Mark? Do you really think there was – do you think Tom's people, Don Yee, I believe, is his agent? Do you really think Don Yee reached out and was like, hey, just gauging your interest. Old Tommy would love to strap it up in the old white and blue. Peter King is a legendary journalist. He's not just going to report things that aren't facts. You're right. your interest old tommy would love to strap it up in the old white and blue peter king peter king's a legendary journalist he's not just gonna report things that aren't facts you're right peter's in with tom too like peter gets one-on-ones with tom and i would assume peter king wouldn't be very excited to go back and listen to the show yesterday when you said oh peter king's little blog he's writing like peter king's not a blogger. Peter King is a journalist.

All right. Just show me numbers of how many people read it. That's all I care about, Peter King. That's all I care about. Just show me the numbers, dude. Just show me the numbers. So if a ton of people aren't reading it, is it not good then? No, I'm just saying if he wants to disparage blogging as if it's not good enough for him,

we could probably show him about four blogs that probably get 50x the amount of reads that his get well what exactly is it what's the difference between a blog and a story that's i don't know i have no idea i guess i have no idea the human it's coming from my god i don't know i have no idea like me younger people blog older people write pieces well in his piece he needs to understand that if it's a blog that's a compliment that's not a knock yeah i wouldn't say it's a knock at all i'm just saying i would imagine that's something that he would have never envisioned anything that he wouldn't be considered a blogger is what i would say peter king got caught up with some fake followers i think back in the day did he he was buying followers i think so so people actually do that i guess yeah that's what i've been told

ray lew Lewis caught like what a $400,000 drop or 400,000 follower drop in one day. Does it actually help to buy followers? I guess it makes you look like you're important. I guess in the short term, it could like say you're gonna do a marketing deal. And that's the kind of stuff matters if you buy 400,000 followers, and then some company comes in and they don't really do their homework

and check engagement or whatever of your social media and they're like, okay, dude's got 4 million followers and gets two retweets for every tweet he has or something. I would imagine if you do your homework, you can figure that out. Yeah, but you've got to remember the people that are hiring these people, they don't know what's going on either. I think a lot of people do it as an

attempt to get a job with a TV network. Yeah could see that i mean it's like actors actors all complain about that where they'll get passed over for some young kid that has that was big on vine and grew a big following on social media on some platform and they'll hire them to be in a movie because they think all those little kids will come watch the movie yeah that's called being valuable yeah i guess like tiger king every person in that documentary is very valuable human oh great hey you watch tiger king i i have seen five of the seven episodes okay so you haven't seen it all but you know enough to talk about it tiger king was a godsend in the middle of this covid 19 quarantine world how long has tiger king been available on netflix just recently they just put it up

they just put it so smart so smart man everybody in this thing is a star not just joe exotic everybody is a star every human in there seems like he's a fake or she's a fake human and the fact that that's a real world it's kind of alarming for sure but it's also great entertainment i mean joe exotic's just singing country music songs with people that have paid to come to his little cat zoo while filming a music video in the middle of it i mean the guy is just an electric fan despicable individual i mean he's done a lot of things in his life they're absolutely despicable i I mean, let's not get crazy. But in the end, the guy was fucking framed.

Yeah, we'll see. I don't know what happens in the last two episodes. The first five episodes, I feel like he didn't do a whole lot of despicable things. I mean, maybe I was dozing off in and out throughout some of it, but I don't know. I mean, we can all agree that Joe Exotic isn't like a good guy.

He may mean well. i think he means well feeding two straight men meth to be married to him and keeping them in a drug coma got there yet i mean is that in the last couple episodes or is that early on i missed it spoilers i think there's gonna be some things that come out and be like you know not a great guy but i don't think he was i think he got framed in the end like i don't think Joe exotic is a model human that you're like, you know what? This is somebody you should aspire to be like no nobody in that entire thing is but in the end You really do feel for Joe exotic in ways getting treated in by society Carol's Carol Carol and Howard need to be on a list to be watched by the government daily

That one guy seems like you can model your life after him cats and kittens doc doctor uh doc antle now that guy i'm only two episodes in but i like how he directs everything out he's like he tells the camera crew what they're gonna do and then he just goes into his character the front door one doc antle is a different animal i mean let's not get past carol baskins though i mean hello is it one of the first episodes when they say the name carol baskin like 38 times in the first episode in a minute i was dying laughing i'm like who is this lady and then you learn about this lady and to be honest tbh to be completely candid i'm bummed that nobody in this office knew about joe exotic tv.com before

this we should have been watching on a regular basis when joe exotic tv.com before this we should have been watching on a regular basis when joe exotic was really starting to hit his prime you know what i mean now we've missed it we don't even get a chance to see new shows but joe exotic tv.com what there had to be at least what four or five people watching every single night they said the most you ever got to watch was 80 people that's still 80 people pretty good that guy had and i'm bummed out that zito didn't find this Foxy didn't find this Connor didn't find this. I mean I am bummed that we we didn't know about jokes on TV whenever it was alive and thriving It is shock. Look at that massive cage that that animal has it behind her. Jeez

You know, okay, some people aren't gonna love what I'm about to say here But when she was speaking her demeanors in the way she sounded, a lot like a serial killer. Well, I'm not going to say what I said then, but I was going to say what you said. Check out the you know what? Before I even, before I learned that she may or may not have fed him to the tigers, I was like, wow, this lady is nuts. What? You can just see it in her eyes yeah

spoiler but but she um spoiler a lot of spoilers right here if you haven't seen it's fine i mean i don't care i've watched movies all the time when i know what happens at the end it's fine still entertaining by the way she has answers for everything she is very good i mean when i say she is she's like a politician way she she had answers for everything and very calm she helps it helps to be a sociopath at times in situations like that to where it's like nothing can touch her. Nothing can touch her. No matter what you say, whatever evidence you show,

she's got an answer. There's a reason this happened, and it's like she never even cared. She has no anxiety about any of this stuff. Wouldn't that be cool to be able to just turn off your conscience? It would be awesome. Sometimes I think about that a lot, actually. People can do that. When you just are completely unaware.

Like, you have no self-awareness at all, and you just do all kinds of things. I'm like, man, I just, I don't know. I can't bring myself to be that person. Me neither. When I'm laying my head on that pillow at night, like, my conversations with me are, I feel like, very real. And there's some people that can just shut those off. I don't know.

Hang on. I'm going to go to sleep. See you later. Didn't do anything. Didn't fuck over anybody. How about her new husband? Oh, that guy's the worst. He's a cock.

He's super cock. There's a new husband? Yeah. Oh. God damn it. You got to watch Tiger King. First one is still technically missing, right? Started last night.

Can only get so much in. What else are you doing? Yeah, what are you doing? What do you mean? You're supposed to not be doing anything other than watching. Well, you get home and you work out and then you make dinner. And by the time that's, it's 9 o'clock. Dixie working out.

Yeah, I have to. Maybe having a wedding this summer. Maybe. Dixie, is yours a destination wedding as well? No, it's later. It's the beginning of August, so we're still holding out hope. Yeah, hold out hope.

You just push the chairs apart a little bit for the crowd. My fiance, by the way, dead set on our wedding still happening. It will. All right. NBA's coming back middle of May, Cuban says. You know what, though? It's going to be good for you, Pat.

It'll be cheaper because you won't have to feed all those people because they won't be there. Flights are also very cheap. If everybody wants to get their flights, get full insurance, get refund on that thing. Were you planning on paying for some people's flight? Hotels. Yeah. Oh, you're going to pay for hotels for people? Yeah.

I might have to come. Not for you, though. Can I fly private with you? Can I go with you guys? I love birds. I don't think I'm flying private out there either. A private plane to Hawaii? That thing would be $400,000.

$400,000. You know Tom Hanks and his wife. So they were in Australia. Yeah. Chet Hayes had another video. Great video by him. Throwing all the Illuminati people. Chet Hayes' son did. Parents ain by Hayes. Throwing all the Illuminati people. Chet Hayes' son did.

Parents ain't tripping. So Tom Hanks and his wife were quarantined in a hospital. They've been released from the hospital in Australia. My question is, are they going to try to get back to the States? And I started thinking, well, Tom Hanks' money, that dude can fly private. And then I started thinking, how much is a private flight from Australia? Just one way from Australia to America. It would be so much money.

And the plane... $70,000? $70 dollars seventy thousand what do you think yeah like maybe seven hundred thousand million no it depends how big of a plane he's gonna get it's got to be big enough to to get over there surprise seat eight to ten people at least he'll need eight you think a plane that seats eight to ten people who had enough gas to get to australia yeah what if what world do you live in yeah definitely it can i know there's do you know the planes how big they are that have to get to australia you know why they're they're so big because they they the engines that you have to have to get the gas to be able to carry enough gas to get there yeah yeah that's what i'm saying

there's no it would be like probably 750750,000, $500,000. It's saying like between like 9,000 and 13,000 per hour. Okay. How many hours? 9,000 to 13,000. What plane is that? That's a midsize to super midsize. There's no way a super midsize would last that long.

Yeah, it would. There's, yeah. There's no way. People I know that you're friends with that fly in planes like that, that go all over the world. Well, you refuel in like Hawaii, 10 to 12. Well, I guess Hawaii to California is what, only four hours. So you stop there. And then what's the next one?

12 hours though. I mean, you're in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's a lot of hours. You got to bite the bullet and pay like the 15 grand for the first class lay down seat on a commercial flight. Oh yeah. That's what by the way i love those things i'd be amazing i i'm jealous every time i see those people

laying down comfortable they're all hopped up on xanax and edibles and everything and i'm bingo yeah cramped up trying to walk out of the plane why don't you just do the pods bro well if i was flying like by myself or just myself my wife we would but last time i went to london, we took two of my kids, and there's no chance I'm taking them in first class. Thank you. Because the people that put their kids all around me in that pod section deserve to be kicked off the plane while we're at 32,000 feet.

I don't need your goddamn kids all around me breathing, sniffling, laughing, crying while I'm trying to be drugged out and sleeping in this pod. Yeah, I mean, that's one reason i definitely want to be considerate of the people that paid all that money to be up there and have a pleasant experience but also i don't want my kids to think that's even an option that we get to fly in the the big seats up front all right whatever your reasons are i appreciate it yeah you know it's tough to it's tough nowadays to make sure your kids aren't too spoiled i don't think that's a great i just can't if we start that think about it then my kids think Yeah, you know, it's tough nowadays to make sure your kids aren't too spoiled. I don't think that's a great – I just can't – if we start that, think about it, then my kids think that's what flying is.

I'm like, no, this isn't what flying is. I didn't do this until I was 29 years old. I didn't get to fly in first class. Hey, you're a good dad. I want to let you know that. No, that has nothing to do with it. I'm worried about my kids being rich and being terrible. So that's why I'm going to go broke before I have them.

Nice. I have answers on answers on a golf stream g4 yeah see that's a big boy it's a big plane that's like 20 000 that's saying what they're saying flight time 16 hours with two stops in hawaii and fiji about estimated cost one way 160 180 000 yeah i was180,000. Yeah, I was way off. I guess I didn't calculate all the amount of hours you'd be in the air. Classic. That doesn't sound like the right price either, by the way. Less than $200,000?

This is from... We've been getting royally fucked over with my claims. This is a quote from laprivatejets.com. That's from California, right? Yes, from California to Sydney. Oh, see? So we still have to get another four hours, right? So what's that?

Another quarter of that? No. So another four hours, right? So what's that, another quarter of that? No. 250,000? It's not 250 to fly a G4 from California to Indy. No, no, no. I was adding on the extra four hours to California, about a quarter of that. Oh, yeah.

They said another quarter mil. Private flying is just not reasonable at all. We had to do it this past fall, and we had sponsors shout out to sea geek and roman but it is not a reasonable thing to do at all i mean it is it is it's awesome it's the best thing ever it is why people who get a taste of money try to maintain a good taste of money so you can fly private because it is so much better than the alternative commercial but it is not reasonable they got you by the gut sack every part of the way they're tipping the pilots then you get then the the snacks that you eat on board and then i mean it just never it just never ends it's just sucking money out of you but incredibly convenient incredibly convenient

it's amazing i mean i just my cousin actually is a pilot for nationwide insurance. And so he flies like their execs around. He's been doing it forever. And he's like, man, he's like, we got to see this windshield. We had to replace the windshield last year.

That was 200 K. He's like, don't ever buy a plane. I was like, oh, I never was going to, but it's just unbelievable how much everything costs. We had a lot of those conversations this year about buying a plane instead of

renting it from these things. Why don't you just buy hours, get a card, 50 hours or something. Well, then you're kind of at there no you're not when you need a flight you just you tell them and they send whatever whatever plane is near you and you don't have to pay all the maintenance and the insurance and everything else yeah but then it could be one of the most small ones you don't know you can pick the class of plane you fly it depends on the price that you're willing to pay. Yeah, but it's different.

Some of them have good Wi-Fi, too. Some of them don't have Wi-Fi. I mean, if we're paying for convenience, let's have some convenience. Yeah, I guess. I wouldn't be scared to fly in tiny little planes. Are you getting in those tiny little planes? Yeah, like how tiny? I mean, yeah, I took flying lessons for a while back in the day.

I soloed and everything in the tiny 172, Cessna 172. So, yeah. Captain Hawk. Hawk in the air. Captain Hawk. Hawk coming in. No, I didn't get my private license. I should.

Eventually, I want to. But, no, I didn't. I stopped a while ago. Are you good? I get really sick. I get really car sick. I get really sick when I'm up there, when I was up there flying, too. So, when you're done doing all these maneuvers, practicing, I'm just dripping maneuvers practicing I'm just dripping sweat my guard man can you take it for a second and then the

instructor will take it and I would land it and just be drenched in sweat and feel awful did you puke up there I never puked in there I puked when I went up with the with the blue angels and the thunderbirds I puked the whole time but I didn't puke uh when I was there you flew with the blue angels yeah it was rough it was awesome but it was did you do one essential did you do uh a stop did you go straight up yeah they yeah hovers right over the i got i got it all on gopro and everything and then he just shoo like vertical takeoff it's a that's just that's nothing compared to what they're what else they do i mean i puked i had so many plastic bags of puke tied off in my cargo pants pocket of like your your flight suit they

give you like i had to get off the plane and they pocket of like your your flight suit they give you like i had to get off the plane and they always have like local media there because they use it as like a pr thing usually to pub the air show that's coming up and i'm just so sweaty so pale white with puke all in my my pockets and i was so much fun this is amazing i did it again then i did it again a couple years later with the thunderbirds in ohio The Red Bull, did you puke then too? Oh, yeah. Both times. The flights were about 45 minutes.

And the first flight I started puking four minutes in. The second flight I started puking six minutes in. Why'd you sign up to do it? That's an interesting try to micro-doze. It's tough to say no to something like that. It's really cool. And each time I'm like, okay, maybe I can figure this out. But I told them going in.

I'm like, hey, man, I'm going to throw up a lot i'm just letting you know like this isn't my thing and they're like well we got some techniques to try to teach you how to how to not throw up it's really easy just look at the horizon i'm like okay that goes up the canopy and the sun's just beating on you just you're crammed so tight like it's awesome i mean i would do it again but man it was we got a live photo of AJ right here. Is this him after the flight? Yeah. That's pretty much it. That guy looks a lot better than I did.

Hey, you know the Red Bull Air Races that happened? Yeah. So they did one here at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. And to market that they were doing a Red Bull Air Race, they asked if I would get in a plane on a G flight or whatever. And I Googled like a bunch of G flights, and it's just a bunch of random local celebrities. doing a red bull air race they asked if i would get in a plane on a g flight or whatever and i googled like a bunch of g flights and it's just a bunch of random local celebrities just puke it all over the place the plane does these like quick little spins they go through the thing

i'm like uh it's gonna be a no for me dog you're like oh you'll love it it'll be an experience you never forget i'm like yeah i bet you'll definitely never forget it but i mean it's in it's enjoyable like three days after when you finally start feeling normal again it was like the worst i whenever i came i got home just laid on the couch and felt like the worst hangover for two days is it a concussion did you get a concussion you think no no no never had that but i wouldn't know what that how that feels but it definitely you do not feel good for an extended period of time all right a couple things here before we get going uh travis frederick retired at 29 he said in his retirement letter that when he had to battle against guillermo barre yeah bars Yeah. Bars. Gillian Bars. Gillian Bars.

GPS for sure. GPS. A couple years ago. It was a scary situation. Basically talked about how he was forced to think about life without football and stuff like that moving forward. And he said he basically he's excited. He was excited for life without football. But he had to come back and play after beating it basically to prove something to himself.

And he's decided at the age of 29 to retire and i guess a lot of people are saying things he was out 2018 they weren't great in 2018 he was back last year there was a lot of success ran behind travis frederick dak prescott's pocket obviously was a lot better last year with travis frederick and this is going to be a big loss for them moving forward shout out to travis f out to Travis Frederick retiring and enjoying life, hopefully going forward and being able to focus on different things. And also now to Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys, who have to fill a massive hole at the middle of their offensive line.

Yeah, this dude's a stud. I think at least in Dallas people know how good he is, people that follow the Cowboys closely. But I don't think as a whole the national viewing audience knows how good Travis Frederick really is. This dude's a stud. You said the numbers are right what makes him so good what makes a like a center better than other centers you know we talked to mangle about it it's true first off they got to be super smart like the great centers are crazy weirdly smart in like all things like cory lindsley plays center for the packers he's an ohio state guy i didn't know him until he got

the green belt i played one year with him. Corey's a stud, but Corey is one of the most uniquely weird, smart dudes. His wife would tell us, yeah, all of a sudden, Corey just started drinking scotch. I went outside, and he's reading some novel, drinking scotch, smoking a cigar on the balcony. Corey's just a weird dude that knows everything about everything, but he's real dry and really fun.

But especially, like, you've got to have that first mentally to be able to make the calls if your quarterback needs some help as far as protections and see things and help everyone on both sides of you. But then you also have to have the physical skills. Like, to put it all together like that, it's a special guy. Like he was and is. But it's going to be – I don't know. We'll see what the Cowboys do.

But, man, that's not easy to replace a dude like that. No, not don't know. We'll see what the Cowboys do, but, man, that's not easy to replace a dude like that. No, not easy at all. We know a center. He's not smart. No. Who? A.Q. Shipley.

Yeah. I bet he's a lot smarter than you think. He does have opinions. Yeah. Pat, if you had to high football iq high football iq on aq shipley hi absolutely and he's by the way the lightest he's ever been he's squatting in the garage he's ready to itching to get back onto a team he's a current free agent looking to make a run and he'll do that but i i don't know if his smarts are what's got him to where he's at right now, AQ. I bet he has a very high football IQ, but I wanted to ask you that.

Oh, yes. By the way, hold on. Whenever I would go do games, I'd be like, AQ, is there any way you can look at this and tell me why this is happening? And I'll get a full text back from AQ. It's like, ah, their defensive line, whenever they shift over to here, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. It made me look like a genius. his football iq i think is next level but when it comes to this like intelligent life i had no signs i don't i believe he's smart

good for you for for doing some research like that that's what you do when you're calling a game like you know another valuable asset is say you're doing a college game if you somehow get connected to some of the local beat writers or radio hosts in the area that are embedded with those teams talk to them because they know those teams better than anybody on the planet pretty much and they can tell you all the ins and outs on like the weird things going on so you can have some info for the game that's smart because i just did no research well you're kind of a fly by the seat of your pants kind of guy right yeah bingo everyone prepares differently so whatever works for you but it might be good to it's every once in a while it's good to have that knowledge back there you may not use it but it's good to have it i checked

everybody's twitter i checked the players twitter accounts i want to see what they got going on this is my research check the twitter accounts sometimes i get a message from AQ telling me why something's happening. And then my meeting with the coaches the day before is where I try to learn everything. Those meetings would be like three, four hours long. Long conversations with them. You had that long conversations with the coaches? Oh, yeah. They were long.

They love you then because they usually don't go that long. Every time we go into a coach, you're like, this coach normally doesn't talk that much. So, see what we can get out of him. Then two hours into this thing, we can't get the guy to shut up. That's good. That means they like talking to you. But I wanted to ask you quick, Pat. Oh, yeah, sorry.

If you had to look at a position, offense, defense, special teams, what would be the overwhelming dumbest position on the field? Like group of individuals that you wouldn't want walking your dog well it depends now are we is it for jeopardy no just in life just everything not i'm not talking like book smarts or school smarts or i'm talking like everything like someone that you wouldn't i've always said the most entertaining room no matter what building you go into is the defensive line room you go into the d-line room that is the most entertaining room, no matter what building you go into, is the defensive line room. You go into the D-line room.

That is the most entertaining room. I would let them walk my dog. They're always having so much more fun than everybody else. They are so much happier than everybody else. The D-line room. The O-line's miserable, and they all mess with each other, and they fart, and they dip spit all over, and they're always miserable.

And the D-line is always having so much fun. So much more fun than everybody else. I think the d-line is the most fun room by sure but i'm not signing them up for the jeopardy by the way not signing punters and kickers up either i think the quarterback room is the one you send into a jeopardy challenge just because normally that's their thing they're into that type of stuff that's the brain style that you got to have but i think d-line is the most fun room. I'm not 100% sure that they'd be the ones we'd send out there for a Jeopardy contest. Yeah, probably not. Or, yeah.

I know Aaron went on Jeopardy, and I think he won. He won pretty big. And by the way, when we interviewed him, the line, the statement that was said was he would like to see how he fares against the non-other celebrities. He'd like to go against the everyday nerds that go up on Jeopardy and their Super Bowl. Yeah. Have you ever been in the room with somebody that loves Jeopardy so much and so annoying because they sit there and you're having a conversation and they answer the questions? Like they'll be talking to you or in the room and then they're answering the jeopardy questions as i'm like all right man like this is annoying like that's aaron every day i think he loves

jeff believe it or not i've never really hung out with anybody that knows most of the answers me i've never hung out with somebody that knows most of the answers if somebody gets one or two right around me normally pretty like if sam and i my lady and i if we get two or two right around me, normally pretty big. Like if Sam and I, my lady and I, if we get two to three right around, we feel very, very good about the board. Very, very good about the board. I couldn't even fathom being around like Mr. Rogers or I think Ty probably even is like, what is 1947? Ding, bing, Trebek.

That is correct. Yeah. I do got a good read on when it's a daily double though. Really? What do you mean? You know where those spots are on the board? Correct. Yeah. I do got a good read. I want it to daily double, though. Really? What do you mean? You know where those spots are on the board? I feel like I have a pretty good read of where they're at.

Yeah. I feel like I'm a mind sweeper. You know, I feel like I kind of have a good read. And then when Trebek's voice, he has a tell, obviously, that it's going to be a daily double. I think I'm pretty good at that. But that is one particular game show that I would fail miserably at on a very rapid. I would fucking stink at Jeopardy. You know you wouldn't fail, though. So I know Peyton turns down just endless money for the Monday Night Football gig, which you're still in the running for, obviously.

Why don't you throw your hat in the ring eventually, maybe five, ten years from now, to become Jeopardy's host when Trebek steps down. I couldn't see them nerds get more mad than me getting hired to take Alex Trebek's spot. Well, we can't replace Alex Trebek. They should look at it like this. We can't replace him. He's one of a kind. The guy's amazing. He's a machine. Everyone loves him. Universally loved. He's like The Rock.

Pat Sajak doesn't like him. Pat Sajak, maybe there's a bit of a rivalry there. There is. So Pat may want to take that job eventually if he wants, but why not? They're going to say, we can't find another Alex Trebek. It's Alex, right? Not Alec? Are you kidding me right now?

Oh, come on. AJ. Come on. He's one of a kind, you see. Alex. Alex Trebek. It is Alex. I saw a picture of Alex Trebek earlier today. But what I'm saying, Pat, they can't replace Alex or Alec.

We're not sure. The jury's still out. No, no, no, no, no. I hate to do this. Bryan Cranston would be really good. Really? There we go. Walter White.

I didn't watch his show. Me neither. Me neither. So slow. The first two episodes. No, just wait. Episode 47 really picks up. I can't get there, bud. I can't do any of that stuff. People try to get me to watch stuff. but me neither me neither so slow the first like two episodes no just wait episode 47 it really picks up i can't get there i can't do any of that stuff people try to get me to watch stuff i assume

it's very good i respect the art they get so mad at you too don't they no you gotta give it a chance say my name well they've given up though the people have given up on on even like my lady she'll just blow she'll just watch an entire series without even asking if i'd want to watch it and she'll go you would have hated it it's series without even asking if i'd want to watch it and she'll go you would have hated it it's like how do i maybe i wanted to learn about the crown so then we start watching it get about an episode in i'm like i fucking hate this she's like i knew it i knew you'd hate it i knew you would hate it same stuff happens with everything though it happened with breaking bad it happened with the sopranos i tried my best it's everything that i

would like the sopranos i love. I love the Italian culture. I am Italian. I like mobsters. I like all that stuff. Couldn't get into it because it was so slow. House of Cards I got into, though, because I was forced to be in my bed after a surgery and I didn't have the remote. So I was like forced to watch, like actually forced to watch it. And I got through the entire season.

And I was like, all right, here we go. I'm in. Now I felt what everybody else felt. You know, like I felt i felt like oh i get why people get so excited for a new season and all that shit well house of cards was smart because they didn't wait to have like some impactful things happen i feel like kevin spacey pushed the girl in front of the train like episode two episode one yeah but you're killing people they started that thing with him strangling a dog yep oh they did really yeah i would have left immediately but i couldn't find a remote so Episode one. Yeah, but you're killing people. They started that thing with him strangling a dog. Yep. Oh, they did?

Really? Yeah. I would have left immediately, but I couldn't find a remote. Why'd you kill the dog? It got hit by a car. It was the neighbor. I don't remember that part about it. That's the first scene.

Kevin Spacey blew that show up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can't watch that show. But no, what I'm saying, you should be the next Jeopardy host because we can't replace Alex Trebek, but we can bring in the opposite young, exciting guy. Family feud, though.

When Steve Harvey's done. Steve Harvey's the man, though. He's so good at that. I agree. I agree. And whenever he's done, I would like a shot at that. 10 years from now, 15 years, whenever it is, family feud is where I would like to. What about the Price is Right?

I know supposedly when, what's the old man, Bob Barker was leaving? Supposedly they were trying to come after Herbstreet to have him take over the Price is Right. Why didn't Herbie take that? I don't know. I really don't. It would have been a lot of money and a nice secure gig. Yeah, Drew Carey still hosts that show. Ain't nobody watching.

Nope. Yeah, it's still on, right? Cleveland rocks. Cleveland rocks. Cleveland rocks. Cleveland sucks. Cleveland's going to win the Super Bowl this year. Cleveland's going to win the Super Bowl this year? Why not?

Let's get on the bandwagon again. Tampa Buccaneers are going to win the Super Bowl. Oh, man. It's going to be fun. Hopefully the season starts on time. So fun. Are you worried, though, that Tom's not going to get the time with his receivers like he needs? Nah, Tom will always put in the virtual work that he has to put in

They'll be running routes on air They'll be running routes He'll be ready You think Baker's going to be able to get the work in with the COVID-19 virus? You think Baker's going to be able to get the routes in with OBJ? He's not going to a new team, Baker's not New coach Stefanski

Yeah It's going to be an uphill battle for them Always has been team. Baker's not. New coach. Stefanski. Yeah. It's going to be an uphill battle for them. Always has been. Yeah. Can't thank you enough for listening to today's show. I hope it's helping a little bit with the wild times we're in. We'll continue to deliver

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