The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 181 - Future President Of The United States & Gopher Head Coach, PJ Fleck Rallies The Troops.. Also, More Chatter With Legend, AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 27, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys are joined by Head Coach of the Minnesota Golden Gophers, one of the most inspirational humans on the planet, the creator of the Nekton mentality, PJ Fleck. They chat about what it's like being the Head Coach of a major college football program during this pandemic, what he's having his kids do to get better this offseason despite not being able to do a lot of the things they normally would be doing, how he's handling everything with his staff, and Coach Fleck gives an inspirational speech for everyone to find a little light in all of the darkness that we care currently facing (3:19-17:26). Later, AJ Hawk is back for another edition of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk as AJ and Pat chop it up about everything going on in the world, try to figure out where Cam Newton is going next and if he's going to have a major resurgence, they each talk about their recruiting process, and get into everything else you could imagine, whether it's related to football or general life stuff (18:55-1:42:59). Don't forget to tweet the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for a chance to win some free merch and keep an eye out for the Office Olympics on youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow. Stay safe this weekend, we're all in this together. Come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Friend of the show, ladies and gentlemen, Coach P.J. Fleck. Yeah! Yeah, Coach! Yeah! Let's go, Coach! Yeah! Let's go, Coach!

Appreciate it, Pat. Thanks for having us on the show, man. Hey, the boys are jacked up. You're back. I couldn't think of a better person to talk to in the state of the world that we're in right now than you. What has your message been to your team, your staff, the people around you in this unprecedented world that we're living in right now? Well, go figure. I mean, this is the time we all need to row the boat.

I mean, nothing can show us more teamwork than sports, right, and how to be able to come together as a nation, come together as a world. And this is what row the boat's all about. If we got one person rowing this direction, that direction, this direction, that direction, we're not going to go anywhere. Everybody's got to be able to row the boat in the same direction, same speed, same efficiency. And we have to be intentional with the way we think, not just have all these great intentions. We got to be really intentional of how we apply ourselves as we continue to move forward. But we will get through this. But the only way we're going to get through it is together.

I know you were an elementary school teacher, right? Is that accurate? At one point, then he moved into coaching. That's true. Will you be the president of the United States one day? I don't think I'd get enough votes. And I don't think that's something that Heather would really enjoy very much. Being the head football coach of Minnesota is one thing.

I don't know about President of the United States. Let's talk about being the head coach of Minnesota. Last year, you guys went on a run, man. It was fun to watch. I think anybody that has met you and knows you personally knew that the boys for the Gophers were going to be raring more than they had in the past. Last year, you guys went on a hell of a run. What are you trying to expand on off of last season and which we look forward to the gophers this upcoming season well what year it was last year for our football team you know we

had incredible leadership uh we had a team two years ago that was the youngest team in america uh that bowl game we started i think close to 14 freshmen and then everybody grows up right and that's what we wanted to be able to have. This year is a little bit different. Last year we were picked sixth in the West, and we kind of came out of nowhere, right? But we prepared our players for that. We said no one's going to see you coming. Don't worry about the outside noise. We know what we can control.

We know what we can do, and let's go out there and do it. This year was a little bit different. Our team meeting in January, we talked to them about these windows, and we called them wind rows, go figure, right? But we have windows now all over our building. Why? Because we want to be able to look out the vision that we want for our program. Windows, you look out, you see what you want to see. And we want to be able to get to the Big Ten Championship. We want to be able to win a national title one day. We want to be able to do all these things. But now these windows are installed in our

house where people can actually look inside to see what you're doing and prepare for you. And I think that's a huge responsibility upon our team now. One, to come out of nowhere, but two, now have this pressure and expectation that's on you that everybody is going to circle your game. And that's what we wanted. That's what we asked for. That's what we've been preparing for. And if you want to be a Blue Blood program, that's what they do. So I don't know if we're there yet, but we're working our way there. And our team is doing everything in their capability or in their power to make sure that we have a successful year.

My freshman year at West Virginia, we started a quarterback named Pat White that everybody thought should have been a wide receiver. We had a running back named Steve Slayton, who Maryland pulled their scholarship offer to him a week before signing day. So he ended up coming to West Virginia. We had this guy named Owen Schmidt who was a walk-on from like a D4 school, a guy that would drink 45 beers and then run everybody over. We win the Sugar Bowl our freshman year, right?

We would come out of nowhere. We beat Georgia in Georgia because the Sugar Bowl was there. That next offseason, our entire workout thing was different, right? Because we go from being hunter to hunted. I would assume this offseason being affected by the coronavirus is something that you're going to have to account for because this is a massive time for your team. What have you been doing to combat against the

social distancing in the current state of the world right now? And I assume what you're doing is what a lot of other college football teams are doing as well. Yeah, everybody's doing what they're allowed to do, right? And then from there, it's just how creative can you get, right? Because there are guys who are not allowed to leave their home. So our staff just all put together this compilation of things that you have around the house. How can you work out with those things that are just around the house, right? These household appliances. How can you actually make it work? So we're putting a video together and send a video out to our players with that.

But the position meetings, here's what it comes down to. Everybody's doing the position meetings. Everybody's doing the team meetings. Everybody's doing voiceovers. Everybody's got a weight program. Everybody's got nutrition. But again, it comes back to that word intentional, purposeful. Who's doing it with intentions of making sure that it's intentional to go win a national championship, to be the best you possibly can be? Because

everybody's going to sit there. I get to that tomorrow because nobody's watching them. They're back at home. 95% of our team is home. They're under no technical football supervision. So we have to trust our players that they're doing everything they're supposed to do when they're supposed to do it. And not only are they doing it, they got to do it better for longer. And that's this whole model this year, better for longer. Last year was smarter, not even harder. Just find a way to do it smarter than everybody else. Now let's do it better for longer. And that's what we want to apply to our team. But we have a mature team,

bad teams, nobody leads, average teams, coaches lead, elite teams, players lead. We feel we have an elite football team and they have to take it upon themselves in one of the most critical times where we all have to do our part to be able to lead our families, ourselves, and do what we're supposed to do when we're supposed to do it. So I have a lot of faith in our team and I know they're doing what they're supposed to do when they're supposed to do it. So I have a lot of faith in our team, and I know they're doing what they're supposed to do when they're supposed to do it. Your players, you say that you have to get a certain type of player in your system. Has to be an elite-type human, which has a Nekton mentality,

like a shark, always hungry, wanting more. I don't think there's ever been a time then right now you're going to learn about the character of your team. I mean, they're at home. You can take days off. Your friends are probably at home. Your family's at home. And then whenever you're a college athlete,

you have a different set of what you're expecting of yourself. This is probably a time where you're like very thankful for the group of humans that you've brought in and instilled in the players that you have on your squad because you can see how 18 to 21 year olds in this time being away from all type of structure could be a questionable one that has to feel pretty good for you though knowing the type of guys that you've recruited and brought into your system well i think part of this whole education process during this time is truly educating young

men during this time this is not just about football. This is about handling adversity, going through something nobody's gone through in this country, right? And how is leadership going to come to the forefront of it? You know, my wife Heather said it best the other day, and she said that she feels like Mother Nature's telling all of us to go to our room and think about what we've done. Think about that for a second. I think it's actually really accurate. what we've done. Think about that for a second. I think it's actually really, really accurate. We shared that with our football team because it's true. We've, we've, college football attendance is down, NBA attendance down, NFL attendance down. You can go through all of them because we can watch it on our phone and we have the capacity of having eight TVs at once in our home and they're

all going on. Well, a week and a half into this quarantine, everybody wants to be outside. They want to be away. They want to be together. And we have to practice social distancing, which we've basically been practicing and saying why we should be apart from each other all this time, where now all of a sudden we want to get back together because it's something that it's taken from us. So there's all these creative ways to educate and teach that we've taken so much for granted, so much. And it's not just even about our planet and things like that, but just the social interaction, going to game day, going around people, being social, all believing in the same thing, rowing the boat together, having tailgates, having friends over. We've taken all of that for granted. And here we are all quarantined and everybody wants to complain about it.

But when we look back at it, we're all in our and everybody wants to complain about it but when we look back at it we're all in our room thinking about man what did we do wrong and i thought heather said it perfectly that is such a solid point by the way i am a home body to the umpteenth degree at this point in my life right but all i want to do is go be in public with a bunch of people my lady's the same way that is such an interesting way to look at things right there, Coach Fleck. Now, last time I had you come on, I asked you to explain what elite meant and why it was such an important thing.

That led into one of the most motivational speeches I've heard in my entire life. I still play it sometimes in the morning while I'm taking a dump if I can't get up and get energized. I just want to let you know that. Still, you and I wake up together sometimes. So, in the world that we're in right now, what is a message that you would send to somebody who's like, hey, there's people that are out of work right now. There's people that are struggling

to get by. What is a good way or a good mindset for those people to have looking forward on how the other side of this will probably be bigger than the situation that we're going through right now? Yeah, I think one of the big things is looking at it through the eyes of there are no problems in this world, only situations. Everybody somehow, some way in this world is being affected by this. Now, there's some people that have been infected more than others, whether that's through the virus or through financial part or through their health or their family. But everybody is being affected by this. Everybody understands this and everybody's going through it together, but there are no problems. There's

only situations and from a situation creates opportunity. So for us, it's about how we're going to be able to respond to this. How are we going to be able to get back to this norm? And everybody wants to keep chasing this norm. When's normal coming back? I got news for you. Normal's not coming back. Whatever your view of normal is, it's not coming back. There are going to be ways and things that we implement that becomes the new norm. But if you're afraid of that, who says the new norm can't be better? Why can't our world be better? Why can't our nation be better? Why can't we continue to grow? Why can't we be intentional with our intentions to make this a better world after we get through this? Who's to say it's got to be worse? Who's to say the economy's got to go back? We all have a role in this and we can all row the boat together and we can all take our problems, look at them as

situations and create these opportunities that make this world better. But here's the one thing, we all affect this. Every single one of us have an impact of how we actually change the future of this nation. When has that ever happened? Never. I mean, it may be the revolution, the Civil War, but other than that, like, when have we had an opportunity where all of us have a chance to actually move forward together and make this nation better? And I think we can do that if we do it together real quick.

Let's go! Let's go! Coach, I know you have somewhere to be soon. I can't thank you enough for your time, for that message. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy the hell out of that. And you're not normal, by the way. You're an elite guy. I want to let you enough for your time, for that message. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy the hell out of that. And you're not normal, by the way. You're an elite guy. I want to let you know that.

I wish I could have experienced a team that you were a part of. I just want to let you know that. I appreciate that. It means a lot. So roll the boat, Sky Amog. Go Gophers. Stay safe, everyone. Hey, you guys going undefeated next year?

Roll the boat, Sky Amog. Go Gophers. Stay safe, everybody. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach BJ Fleck. Hey, it's not problems, it's situations. Yeah, I wish I had that mindset. You should, Diggs. He was just trying to lay it out for you. He was trying to lay out the blueprint

on how you turn problems into situations. This is all going to be a story. We can all affect this. We can all move forward. The new norm, why can't it be better than the old norm? These all a mindset thing that's what pj fleck just said you with the nekton mentality digs i listened and i got excited i'm very excited the way he delivered that was awesome oh yeah he's very good at what he does he is so good being a student in one of his classes don't even think about don't even think about sneezing he wouldn't by the way i don't even think you could not now i was an ass in class i was you i was an ass in class i didn't pay attention

i wasn't chirping or anything like that but i was not all in in the classroom okay i think everybody can understand that but now that i'm older like i want to go and learn things you know like but it's the things that i want to learn about i think with with him i think the classes would have been so create i think there would have been so much going on it would have been like a show every day i would have paid attention i honestly think it would have been like that i couldn't even fathom what those team meetings were like with him because team meetings by the way the coaches are up there it's a show you're talking to in college 115 people you have to get them all in the same mindset, agreeing the same thing, and moving in the same direction,

and rowing the boat together. That's not an easy thing. You've got to be a person that can talk well. PJ is good, man. I love that mentality. Do you think the video that they sent to their players with home appliances, they're like Spike from Little Giants with a refrigerator on their back? Squatting refrigerators and stuff like that?

I started curling my monocle. He didn't even crack, by the way. giants with a refrigerator on her back squatting refrigerators and stuff like that i started curling my uh monocle he didn't even crack by the way he was he didn't even give me like yeah we're talking about curling books and stuff i was they got a at-home fitness plan like all these instagram fitness trainers i was gonna ask him if he would release that so i could get on it yeah at least send it to us at least send it to us let us get a little gopher tough huh trying to row the boat sky you mob bro i don? Trying to row the boat? Sky, you mob, bro. Sky, you mob.

I don't want to be the weak rower. Going undefeated next season. I don't want Connor to be the weak link on that boat. No, I want to be rowing it. Rowing the hell out of that thing. We don't want you to be a weak link. No, I always am. We're allowed to go back outside.

We should do one of those boats. One of those boats? I agree. I would like to strictly for a gopher that pushed. People forget this is a gopher show. I am a P.J. Fleck guy. They let us use their facility. Sean Latham, $20 chef, trained there whenever he was getting ready for his rough and rowdy fight.

I mean, the Minnesota gophers and P.J. Fleck have been very good to us. And that message was a good one there. His backdrop also good, by the way. A couple game balls around here. balls good balls i appreciate him do you have a bunch of stuff lying around the house that you just don't use you know the kind of thing a kid's baseball glove that no longer fits a pair of jeans that was only worn once i mean who doesn't have an old phone hiding in a drawer somewhere time i know i do with millions and millions of people using the Mercari app in all 50 states, stuff really sells now. You can sell everything from fashion to electronics, toys to sporting goods.

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if we're live or not ever because it's billy tubes all right i respect whatever you remove what do you want to do billy it's up to you why is that you know why i don't know why why because he could be like the kevin spacey character in the movie seven that's i mean it's actually kind of a compliment i'm saying like he has that's mvb bro that's most valuable bill have a little respect i just want to let you know i tried to listen to your and brady quinn's football program yesterday, and I did listen to a little bit of it. And then I actually called in, and I was put on hold for 30 minutes. It's true. This is true.

Zito has it on camera. I was on hold for 30 minutes. You guys took a call from Frank from Pennsylvania, then went to a break, then Ryan Day came on. I was on hold while you did all that stuff, just sitting there. Did you say, is this Pat from Indianapolis? Yes, Pat from Indiana was on hold yesterday during you and Brady Quinn's little show

that took place right in the middle of our little show that we got here. Did you say what you wanted to talk about? Tom Brady throwing a football. That's what I wanted to talk about with the boys. I'll have to talk to the producer why you didn't get put through. I did. I just got put on hold the producer why you didn't get put through. I did. I just got put on hold. Frank in Pennsylvania asked a staged question.

That was a fake phone caller, by the way. I know you guys have fake phone callers. What was his question? I have no idea. It was just too much. It felt like it was just a set-up phone call. Like nine questions in one? What's more fun, playing at Ohio State or Notre Dame?

Yo, because you both played in different places. It was just a – it felt like it was somebody in a back room calling. Tell me about this Funches guy at a Packers. Definitely Funches. Yeah, the guy did ask about Devin Funches. He said his name. I don't even know how he said his name. Funchy.

Yeah, he said Funchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We listened to the show. I know. You canceled this show for that show. I wanted to know at least what we were losing to. Can I – Pat, I have to admit something to you. So I told Pistol, actually, when I saw him yesterday,

it made me, Pistol is my dad, it made me realize, okay, I haven't done a serious show in seven, eight days maybe since me and you started doing this. And it was my first serious show back since I've started this. And I was like, wow, okay. It's a little different format, a little different back and forth though brady quinn's my brother-in-law we get along great just how that's set up it just felt awkward to me for a moment because i'm so used to doing this with you were you staring at brady quinn while doing it or was it on the phone or

like could you see each other you can't a lot of the hosts like i'm serious we'll do the white pull up a skype just so you can see each other but no we don't do that we're texting back and forth so we don't step on each other oh everybody's zooming these days that zoom thing is through the roof everybody is posting that they're zooming also by the way instagram live is popping off you can't scroll through anything without somebody popping up on top of your screen going live with insert name of human that's insufferable here it's like yo i'm done with it man i'm done who name what name a couple people everybody everybody that i followed last night went live last night at one point everybody what if they're insufferable why do you follow no the guest with insert name of guest they all

they always say they're going live with somebody and that person is normally like what is that i don't know and then i'll click on it and i'm like oh i see what everybody's doing and then last night i actually had a thought i'm going live just to strictly say that i want live when everybody else went live and then do you just start pinging people to join you in the instagram live do i just start sending shit to aj like yeah come join me live come join me live that's how it works wait how do you what you send like an invite out or can you send a mass invite to all your followers? I have no idea how it works.

I believe you have to be in the chat. They can ask too. They can ask to join your live. Nope. I'll do Instagram live tonight. I'm doing Instagram live tonight. IG live at Pat McAfee show and I'm going to ping at official AJ Hawk. I can join in and make comments and you can

look at, oh, I see AJ joined the group group aj from ohio that's what i'll do everybody's on instagram live there right now everybody can you imagine if this happened before twitter before instagram like what would it be like if let's just say we had the internet but it was like dial-up internet during this time what was the last pandemic the plague 1920 1918 the spanish flu spanish flu all by the way spanish flu was the the last time the stanley cup was not awarded to in a team was when the spanish flu came from the rafters and got everybody in the stanley cup sick so they couldn't declare a champion they only played five games is that correct accurate? Yep. Montreal and Seattle. 1919. It's a shame.

When was the Black Plague? A long time ago. Yeah. Rubonic. 1400? A hundred years before Spanish was cholera. Who? Cholera.

C-H-O-L-E-R-A. 1820. Oregon Trail stuff. That'll get you. Oh, yeah. You've got to forge the river. I guess it's Ford the River. Ford, yeah. Ford? 13 you. Oh, yeah. You've got to forge the river. I guess it's Ford the River. Ford, yeah. Ford?

1347. Black Plague, what? 1347. Imagine what it was like going through that with no internet. The photos, they look very weird.

No internet, with no soap, with no showers. I mean, electricity as well. Was electricity founded then? Hell no. No.

1300s? What was founded then? They had the boat that got across the sea. They had dirt. 1492? 1492? They had candles. They might have been fire. Was there fire then?

Did they have fire? I hope they had fire. Candlelight, wood, and rocks. I think they had a wheel. This is today's history lesson. A it a lot of kids at home maybe some parents watching this show live while their kids are taking a little recess from their e-learning in 1492 there was fire kids just a little heads up they might not have had the electricity or the internet but they could create fire they could

sail a ship and they could lie to a lot of people small a lot of lying back then they could lie at a rapid rate back in the day and nobody would check them no not one person would check them well because how do you check them you can't you can't whoever says the thing the loudest is obviously the rightest and you're never going to find that out anymore that's what it was like back in the day when everyone tells you the earth is flat you say f it i'm gonna sail around the damn thing anyways by the way good fcc monitoring of yourself especially knowing that there's kids watching it we just gave a history lesson too yeah and then maybe if you just did that without uh mass murdering a race of humans we'd be celebrating

more you didn't have to bring that up. That's our guy. He's a Chris Crickle. That's our guy. I'm a kid. I have a list of things invented in the 1400s, big things. Here we go. First, golf balls.

Really? The trigger. What's that? The trigger. I think for a gun. For throwing up? The trigger? Like the grill?

The trigger grill? T-R-I-G-G-E-R. Just a trigger in general was created in the 1400s? Muzzle loaded. In the 1300s, they were just holding it, just waiting for it to go. Muzzle loaded rifle. Come on, come on, come on, come on. Please, please, please, please, please, please, please.

God's shooting the next five bullets. It's coming. It's like when you're holding a Roman candle and shooting them at your buddy. Exactly. Did you have to light a fuse? That's exactly at your buddy. Exactly. Is it the light of fuse? That's exactly what it is. Parachutes. Smart, smart.

They were just jumping out of planes with leaves. And whiskey. A lot of planes in 1380. 1400s were pretty lit. All right, I want to jump out of that plane drunk. All right, let me make some parachutes and let me get some whiskey done. Did they have planes in the 1400s? No.

Well, after. So in 1485, Leonardo da Vinci designed the first parachute. And in 1492, Leonardo da Vinci first to seriously theorize about flying machines. So he created the parachute before the flying machine. Well, that was the first flying machine. You jump off a cliff. It's like hang gliding, but without the metal thing that you hang on to while you crash. You probably saw Columbus's sails and were like, oh, that's a parachute. Somebody probably fell off of the boat, ripped something, guided down to the water,

where smallpox eventually killed him and drowned him. But it wasn't the initial crash. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about modern history now. Cam Newton. Cam Newton was released by the Carolina Panthers. I happen to be in the camp that I believe that Cam Newton is going to

potentially be an MVP next year, wherever he adds to. I am firmly in the camp that Cam Newton is going to be a much better football player next year than he has been maybe since his MVP run. Whenever they got to the Super Bowl, inevitably he didn't recover that fumble. Then he got injured and he kind of disappeared out of relevance for a little bit. But now that Cam Newton is motivated with another chip on his shoulder and he's even saying aloud that the Panthers quit on him. Is that what he's saying?

He said that in the video. Can we play this? I don't know. That's all I know. They gave up on me. Oh. They gave up on me, he said. That song is amazing.

And that song, I mean, they're going to church in that weight room right there it was about to drop i think probably something a little bit heavier there but cam newton's coming back and he has a chip on his shoulder revenge tour cam newton 2020 getting on the versamax while running and lifting he's already shredded and he's pissed off cam newton's going to be a dominant next year i can't wait to see him with the Chargers. I mean, I'm not as sold as you are strictly from these videos. It's smart by him to put these videos out. I think, why not? It's a time when we need content.

You get to see how he's working. But I think the one thing you're 100% right on, the dude absolutely is going to have a monster chip on his shoulder when he's already saying they gave up on me. Oh, yeah. But does that translate into an MVP-type season? Well, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of things.

Obviously, everyone's writing something, but I just read something where Cam may have to go somewhere and be a backup for a year. No way. Get out of here. You're not backing up. That guy? You think that guy's backing up somewhere?

He's jacked. We know that. He's an absolute freak. I mean, look at his shoulders that he's an absolute freak i mean look at his shoulders try say he's absolutely a freak pectorals gluteus what is that he looks great i just don't know how well that'll translate into an mvp type season i hope he's healthy i hope his foot feels good i hope his shoulder feels good well i think if he takes care of his chickens which he said he already has he already has a lot of money he got to take care of his mentos now he's back in the spite in revenge world where he doesn't give about a about

anybody else's thoughts and he's ready to just get back in the game his body's ready his physical his mentos his chickens he's going to be lined up and ready to go i think cam newton's going to be dominant next year now he could get injured uh he could not fit in the offense uh it could be a wild culture change that doesn't really accept. I mean, there could be a lot of – there are a lot of things, a lot of hurdles that potentially he has to get over. But in my eyes, he's off to a hot start. I think he's potentially going to be in the MVP conversation next year.

He's off to a great start. These videos show us he is off to a great start. He's on his way. He puts good stuff out there. But does it worry you, Pat, that coming off this weird offseason where we're most likely not really going to have the OTAs, he's not going to have the time with his new team to digest the playbook, does it worry you that he may only get like a training camp

to try to prepare to become the starter of a new team in a new system? Even better, by the way. I think Cam Newton's a quarterback that benefits from people being able to prepare less. I think he's a guy whose natural athleticism can carry them to some wins. Now, will him not understanding a new offense be a problem? Of course. But I think Cam Newton's the type of player that can make a play happen, whether he knows what the hell is supposed to happen or not.

Whenever we played against him, it was Cam Newton right, Cam Newton left. Then they would have a play and a run and then put that on repeat. I think he's a guy that doesn't need all the OTAs, doesn't need all that type of stuff, although it would help obviously getting timing with your wide receivers and such because he can sling it. I think he's the type of player though that, you know, wouldn't exactly be hurt as bad as some others if there wasn't a lot of time to prepare and learn the offense. Yeah, you might be right. I mean, his athleticism can make up for a lot, whether it's lack of people around him to throw to if nobody's open. He can buy time.

He's so big and strong. He can make people bounce off of him. He's super elusive. I know. I've played against him. He's an absolute monster. He's a stud. I just don't know what this next season looks like for him.

Is that impossible to tackle, Cam Newton? Is that a very tough i mean what he because there's rules obviously against where he can hit a quarterback and stuff like that so they're already hurting you in that case but when he gets out of the pocket he doesn't really get the protection that a lot of other quarterbacks get because he's as tall as big as the defensive end and he can really be a problem for he's like a fullback running at you And he also has some protections that has to put defenders in quite a precarious situation. Oh, it definitely does. He's one of those guys where you don't really want to be stuck in the open field with him. He can juke you. He can run over you. I mean, chances are if he lowers his shoulder, you better go low, try to take his legs out because he's so, so big and so physical,

but he also has that elusiveness. So yeah, it's really, really difficult, but you can't 100% win a game just with his legs. He's going to have to be able to throw the ball, which he's shown he can. He's been the MVP in the league before. We know that, but I just don't know. The change of scenery, I think, is going to be good for him. It's good to sometimes

be driven by spite and hate towards your old team that you feel like gave up on you a lot of the great quarterbacks we talk about all the time they're driven with a chip on their shoulder tom brady the same situation you don't think he thinks the the patriots gave up on him oh yeah oh yeah and philip rivers chargers by the way does he feel the animosity towards the chargers that tom brady does towards the patriots i don't know we don't talk about it strictly because I don't think we want to talk about it. But if I was Phillip Rivers, I'd be mad, wouldn't I?

I mean, I'd be pretty mad. There'd be some disrespect, yeah. I'd be mad if I'm Phillip Rivers. You move the team. I was driving three hours to still be your quarterback. You don't offer me anything. You move on. And then the conversation was they were going to get a quarterback

that was older than him and Tom Brady. Now, who knows if they are actually making a run or not. and then the conversation was they were going to get a quarterback that was older than him in Tom Brady. Now, who knows if they are actually making a run or not. I don't think we've had, like, solid concrete information that the Chargers made a run on Tom Brady, but he's older than Phillip Rivers, and another team that he's never done anything for, the Indianapolis Colts, just paid him $25 million to play football more. So that's a conversation if we really wanted to, as media heads,

to serve the public. Is Phillip Rivers mad at the Chargers for not taking care of him for all that he's done for them? I mean, that's definitely a conversation you could have, but we don't talk about it because the Tom Brady Patriots six Super Bowl 20-year run is obviously overshadowing the move that Phil Rivers just left the Chargers, which is a franchise. He said he loved Antonio Gates.

I mean, it's just one of those things where that is a conversation that could happen, but it doesn't feel as if that's been the PR spin of this conversation. Instead, it's been, can Phil Rivers still throw a fucking completion or not? Because the Colts picked Phil over Tom Brady, which is very, very interesting. That's another chip on the shoulder for Tom Brady, by the way. Oh, it absolutely is.

But as you were saying that, it made me wonder why the Colts, if they did even go after Andy Dalton. But as you were saying that, it made me wonder why the Colts, if they did even go after Andy Dalton. Doesn't Andy seem like a good fit for the Colts? He would have been cheaper. You don't have to pay Andy one year, 25 mil. I am happy about Phil Rivers signing with the Indianapolis Colts. But boy, Cam Newton's on the market right now.

Andy Dalton's potentially moving. Foles is moving. Teddy Bridgewater. Tom Brady. Joe Flacco. Jac. Andy Dalton's potentially moving. Foles is moving. Teddy Bridgewater. Tom Brady. Joe Flacco. Jacoby Brissett's still there. I mean, there is a lot of quarterbacks out there. A lot of quarterbacks out there.

I'm happy they got Phil. Frank Reich, head coach, obviously, offensive coordinator and everything like that. Very close relationship with Mr. Rivers. I like the comfort there. And if Frank Reich sees something, I trust Frank Reich. I trust Chris Ballard. But as a fan and as a spectator sitting outside, you're like, yo, Teddy B, Cam Newton. I'm not saying Jameis. Say it. What are these guys going to sign? When is a team going to sign these guys? I don't know. I have have no idea i have no clue

everybody's talking about the fins and jags that's where the odds are our favorite for uh cam newton land i don't know how that works but think about this we this hit me right in the face this morning as a potential reality cam newton goes to the miami dolphins ryan fitzpatrick traded to the new england patriots really but but we know ryan Ryan Fitzpatrick is just a short-term thing, wherever he goes. Do you think the Patriots are into that, or are they going to try to build up their dynasty again? Starting with Fitzpatrick, that's exactly what we're going to do.

Hey, by the way, great question right there. Kind of put a stall to everything I was thinking. I don't know if they would go with Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point, but there's a guy that could probably go win you some games just by himself. He's going to win four to five games himself. You put Belichick's brain with him, let's assume that's another five to six games. All of a sudden they're winning 11 games all of a sudden to New England Patriots.

Yeah, but don't you think where Bill Belichick is in his career, he's looking for the next long-term option. Or is he not? What is he, 67? 67 years old? Do you want to build up for another 10-year run with a young quarterback, or do you want to get Ryan Fitzpatrick? That's such an interesting question.

Fitzmagic is our guy, but he's going to win games. Belichick will win games. That makes him a double-digit win season next year, guaranteed, locked just by science if they get together. Yeah, I mean, if you can guarantee 10 wins, if you know for sure that you get 10 wins with ryan fitzpatrick i think bill belichick may may jump in and try to try to snatch him away from the dolphins dac prescott has reignited negotiations with the dallas cowboys

from what we're being told a lady named liz laza liz loza loza liz loza Liz Loza. Liz Loza. Liz Loza from Yahoo Fantasy. What are you laughing about, dude? I don't know why. It's just funny. You're trying to figure out her name. Well, there's no help from the room here. There's all just question marks from the faces.

Nobody has a clue. I gave a nod. I'm trying to give her credit here because she is breaking the silence and saying that she's heard whispers that a four-year, around $35 million a year contract is currently being talked about between the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott, which made us immediately think Ed Werder's going to be pissed that he didn't get the inside information on this and Liz Loza got it. But this also makes me think that Dak Prescott,

the man who looked a piece of paper right in the eye that said he would earn $33 million in one year if he signed it, the franchise tag, and said, nah, I'm not signing it. Instead, he's going to get $35 million a year, a million, at least million point one, I think it's supposed to be 33.9, a million point one more a year for the next four years

than what that franchise tag would have been. Bravo for him if he gets this done shout out to the jones family saying they wanted to lock him down as their franchise quarterback everybody questioned it it didn't seem like that was the case they were paying everybody but dac now it's rumored that a four-year 35 million dollar deal uh four-year 35 million a year uh deal is being talked about. What is that? That's $140 million? Yeah. Yeah. $140 million. Four years, $140 million deal for Dak Prescott.

Probably over $100 million guaranteed. Mike McCarthy, Dak Prescott for at least four years with the Stars. How old is Dak? Is Dak like 26 maybe? Yeah. Do we know? 25, 26. Four-year deal will be $30.

He'll be able to re-up at least one more time and then at least one more time after that he's got two more massive paydays coming for him if he continues down the path that he's been on right now that's the best thing about it when you can sign for huge money it's not that long of a deal because then it gets him to another contract like that's what kurt cousins what was his year is when he did the full guarantee was that a three-year or two-year? Three, I think. I know he really wanted a three because he wanted to hit the market again. He wanted to be able to get another contract after that. That's key,

especially when you see these quarterbacks playing into their 40s. Man, I might be able to get four or five contracts out of this. Playing in their 50s, maybe. I mean, Tom Brady just signed a two-year, $50 million guarantee, right? Yep. He's going to get signed again. 44 he's going to be. He added the clause again so they50 million guarantee, right? Yep. He's going to get signed again. 44 he's going to be.

He added the clause again so they can't be franchise tag. Yeah, he's going to get signed again. He's going to get another two-year $50 million deal again. Dak will be 27 when the season starts. So 31 years old. Still so young and you can hit the market again. Or maybe after the first three years you re-up because you see Patrick Mahomes get signed in the next six to eight months. You see all these giant deals.

The cap's going to go up. And with Mike McCarthy, by the way, with Mike McCarthy, they might win some real games. Yeah, they should. They finally kind of moved on from Garrett. Without the clapper, Jason Garrett, they might actually win some games. He's the Giants OC now, right? Yeah, wild move there, Judge.

Judge did that, right? Yeah. Joe Judge. Joe Judge, what do you know about him as a special teams coach coming from New England? Special teams guy, that's all I know. I know if he's a special teams guy, I know that he's coached the entire team on a very regular occasion.

I know that he's had to instill things into players that didn't want to do it on a very regular occasion. And I know that the Patriots were always very sound in the special teams department of the game. So I think he's probably going to be a very good prepared coach. I think he's going to do good things. Now is Saquon and Danny Dimes going to be enough to carry him for some wins? Maybe we'll see.

And is Jason Garrett a good offense coordinator? Pat, how do you think other, say, like vet free agents and guys that are on the current roster feel? I know Joe Judge came out at the combine and was saying, like, yeah, like we're going to work. Like we're going to wear pads. We're going to hit. We're going to work on tackling.

Like we're not messing around here. He basically said, like, this is – we're trying to instill some old school toughness back here. Like every player on the team is like, oh, man. All right. Well, camp. Camp's going to be fun. When's my contract?

A year and a half. Another two years here. All right. Well, camp. Camp's going to be fun. When's my contract? A year and a half. Another two years here. But if he wins, you can do it. If he wins, you can do whatever you want in practice. By the way, that's what Matt Patricia did, tried to do in Detroit. It was not well received. They still have not really won with that method.

I don't think you can just pluck yourself. Now, I might be wrong. It may be judges is is a anomaly but it feels as if everybody that comes from the patriots that's a coach that gets a head coaching gig elsewhere they try to instill what the patriots do which by the way would make sense if i'm the person becoming a head coach i'm coming from a place where everything has worked for the last 20 years i would like to instill this exact thing at the new place that i go to, but what they're failing to realize is that you're dealing with humans here and you can't have this massive authoritarian-type ego without the resume that Bill Belichick has.

You see, that's the difference. You can't always get people to buy in when you don't have wins. So if Joe Judge is going to make these dudes go to work, which, by the way, I'm not saying is a bad thing. I'm sure there's a lot of very successful teams that go to work. I love the Patriots, and I'm sure there's other places that go and say we're hitting and we're old school and all that shit. But if you don't win early, that's a quick way to lose the locker room. I feel like quick.

I mean, that's a quick way for everybody to be like, yep, fuck this guy. It's true. I don't think people realize that. But it absolutely can't happen. If a guy comes in and wants to, especially those first couple team meetings, you kind of have to earn the respect from that team, I feel like. And then the first couple practices, you can hit. You can go make them go hard. You can do everything.

But you have to find that nice little balance. Throw them a bone every once in a while. Show them you really care about them. Don't just – yeah, you can do it. It's just a tough balance to try to figure out. And you said the number one thing that matters, though. You've got to win games. If you win games, you can get away with whatever you want.

If you're not winning games, it's going to be tough. Winning cures everything. Everything. Absolutely. Always. No matter what. I'm sure it's like that in every sport, but especially football when each game means so much. Guys can stink for four straight quarters, and they win, and it's not that big of a deal.

We got to win. We got it done. Didn't have a great performance, but we'll move forward. Guys can play their absolute best for four quarters and lose, and life is terrible for the next four to five days. I mean, that's just – that is how it is. Your happiness is 100% held hostage by success. That is just the way it goes in the NFL. And if you're a new coach and you bring success and

happiness to people's lives, they'll buy in and do whatever the hell you want to do. But if you're doing a lot of stuff and it's not working, boy, it's going to be tough to get those humans out there to really react. If your shit ain't working, that's going to be very tough. That's why I think a lot of the Patriot coaches that leave and go elsewhere have's going to be very that's why i think a lot of the the patriot coaches that leave and go elsewhere have trouble i i do believe that is why they have some trouble it's like you're telling me to do what bro we haven't won we haven't won four games in the last 10 years here like you want me to do what oh and we're gonna suck with that okay get the fuck out of here and you know players are saying too like what what do you

you think you're bill belichick like what are you what are you trying to do here oh i'm sorry did you write notes for bill belichick for the last eight years what what what was your exact role okay all right that's what i thought shut the fuck up because you know this is the same thing that people don't know because they view players as the video games and as fantasy the humans ego pride i mean everything is a real thing when a contract years for certain guys oh just mindset every that's why i think cameron's gonna be good by the way because this is a human that is a superhuman and when it comes to speaking about humans now he's a spiteful superhuman i mean in a contract here and i mean it's just i don't know man i i think if you add it up dr phil would say it's gonna be a good shot at success here i think with a pissed off cam

newton is that what dr phil says he did a show from his basement his man cave he had a motorcycle in the background really he was sitting at a poker table he had two ipads out and he was facetiming with a lady from that senior citizen center over in Washington. He was the best. Have you ever seen the pictures of Dr. Phil's house? It's his kid's house, but yeah, I did see that. Oh, it's his kid's? Yeah, but it was a wild house.

You could say Dr. Phil McGraw's family's house, and it still gets the point across. It was insanity. Man, is Dr. Phil still on TV? He still has his show? Yeah, he just went live from his man cave on uh mbc yesterday oh i didn't know if it was like a ig live or something but it was like it was like jimmy jimmy fallon doing his show from his place in new york and his kids in the background he did

that i didn't know that he's been doing it's it's been popping up in my little youtube feed where yeah he interviewed dave matthews the other day he does like a monologue with his little kids climbing on they're all doing that. Jimmy Kimmel, they're all doing stuff from their house. I guess they're airing it on NBC, whatever networks they're on. Are you a Jimmy Fallon guy? Yeah, you met him before? You hung out with him before?

You like him? You think he's a funny guy? Yeah. Man, it's a lot of questions you just threw at me in one sentence. But, no, I mean, I don't feel – Jimmy Fallon, he's a talented dude. I think it's cool when he gets in. He can play with, like... I think I saw him sing with U2. He'll play with big-time bands that come on the show.

I don't know if he still does. This was years ago. I haven't seen the show in a long time. Do you know him? No, never met him. You like him? Seems like a happy guy. Yeah, well, things do that.

I can tell how you feel about him by the way you ask me questions about him. No, I don't know him. I was intrigued to hear. All I've heard is stories about him. That's all I've heard. What kind of stories? I haven't even heard stories about him.

What was that? What? What was that? All I've heard is the dude just likes to party. Just goes. That's what I've heard. I've heard legendary stories about old Jimmy Fallon going nonstop at a very fast rate. Is that a bad thing?

Nope. That's why I was excited to hear if you met him or not. Because you know a lot of those famous people, the Illuminatis and such. I was hoping that you had met him and you'd be like, yep, everything you see of him is exactly what he's like all the time. He's running 400 miles an hour. He's having a good time. He's like, hey, hey, yeah, yeah. He's doing it all the time.

I would like to hear. I just didn't know anybody that actually knows him. I only know him from the television and the rumors that I gather yeah do you guys i'm just curious do you guys have friends that continue to send you text that like our conspiracy theory situations i have so many buddies i'm like and i never respond to any of them i'm like oh hey let me click on this 47 minute video that you sent me about pedophiles and everything and what's going on in the world. Like, come on, man.

Like, I just, it's getting old. You got to get caught up, though. 47 minutes, you got to get caught up, AJ. I don't think there's, if someone texts me a 47-minute long video, like if it was a video explaining to me how and when I will die, I don't think I could watch it. I don't think there's anything that would get me to watch a 47-minute video on my phone. Well, they're trying to help you.

How about a two-and-a-half-minute video? Will you watch a two-and-a-half-minute video? Absolutely. Oh, get ready to run through that wall that you're sitting in front of right now. This guy joined the show this morning. I led off the show by asking him if he thinks he should be the President of the United States and he said no I don't think enough people like me for that to happen and he mentioned his wife probably not being a fan of that and he ended his appearance with this speech that everybody on the

internet is saying this guy's gonna be President of the United States so I don't want to say that I I Simpsons did but I kind of Simpsonsed it. I predicted what was going to happen. And he gave this two and a half minute speech to the world when I said, hey, people are going through a little bit of a time here. Some people are very worried about the future and things like that. You'll see. This is a good one from coach PJ Fleck. I can't wait to hear your take on this, AJ. Last time I had you come on, I asked you to explain what elite meant and why it was such an important thing. That led into one of the most motivational speeches I've heard in my entire life.

I still play it sometimes in the morning while I'm taking a dump if I can't get up and get energized. Thank you. I just want to let you know that. Still, you and I wake up together sometimes. So in the world that we're in right now, what is a message that you would send to somebody who's like hey times there's people that are out of work right now there's people that are struggling to get by what is a good way or a good uh mindset for those people to have looking forward on how the other side of this will probably be bigger than the situation that we're going through right now yeah i think one

of the big things is looking at it through the eyes of there are no problems in this world only situations uh everybody somehow some way in this world is being affected by this now there's some people that be infected more than others whether that's through the virus or through financial part or through their health or their family but everybody is being affected by this everybody understands this and everybody's going through it together. But there are no problems. There's only situations. And from a situation creates opportunity. So for us, it's about how we're going to be able to respond to this. How are we going to be able to get back to this norm? And everybody wants to keep chasing this norm. When's normal coming back? I got news for you. Normal's not coming back. Whatever your view of normal is, it's not coming back. There are going to be ways and things that we implement that becomes the new norm.

But if you're afraid of that, who says the new norm can't be better? Why can't our world be better? Why can't our nation be better? Why can't we continue to grow? Why can't we be intentional with our intentions to make this a better world after we get through this? Who's to say it's got to be worse? Who's to say the economy's got to go back? We all have a role in this and we could all row the boat together and we could all take our problems, look at them as situations and create these opportunities that

make this world better. But here's the one thing. We all affect this. Every single one of us have an impact of how we actually change the future of this nation. When has that ever happened? Never. I mean, maybe the revolution. Spanish flu, maybe. Civil war. But other than that, when have we had an opportunity where all of us have a chance to actually move forward together and make this nation better?

And I think we can do that if we do it together. Let's go! Are you rowing, AJ? I've been a PJ guy forever. I love PJ. Are you rowing aj are you i've been a pj guy forever i love pj are you rowing aj no i'm not physically rowing to nowhere into your telus your telestrator that costs 500k that you never use no i'm not but i love pj i think it's great that's pj is a motivational speaker he gives talks like that to his team every single day that guy's's awesome, isn't he? Yeah, I think that's PJ 24 hours a day. He's never not that guy. I don't think that guy would work in the NFL, but I'm happy that guy's in college. And if I was to send my kid to a college football program, I would be happy if PJ Fleck was the guy out there

leading him onto the field daily. See, I don't know. I think PJ may be able to find a way to work in the NFL if he decides to go that route someday. I mean, Pete Carroll, do people think Pete Carroll is going to work in the NFL? He has like the, Pete's super positive, always bubbly, bouncing around where some people may think it gets corny or it gets old, but Pete seems to be

very, very successful in the NFL and he can get across to, he can get his message across to these players. So why can't PJ? PJ is great at I think evolving and trying not to become stale to his players. He's talked about that. He can't just keep drilling the same things over and over. So I think he's always seeking different ways on how to get through and get his message to these guys.

That's smart. I think so, too. I think he is smart enough that he'd be able to figure it out, to be honest. I do. You kind of convinced me, actually, of that. Because I think he would be – now, granted, granted remember he has a background in being an elementary school history teacher i think or something like that or he was in the league for a little bit he played receiver for a little i didn't know that yeah did he really yeah look him up wikipedia him it's like

one or two years i think with the 49ers was he practice squad or did he get some game time? I don't know, but I believe he was like an intern or a coach too for maybe the Niners, whatever team he was. I think he spent some time coaching in the league too. He coached the Bucs wide receivers in 2012. I was reading on Wikipedia. He's on the Niners. Said he used to run the routes in practice with shoes on against DBs. Oh, that's awesome.

He was almost a bear. You feel his physical? Bear. He was almost a bear. He failed his physical. Bear. Well, he passed for the Niners. He registered a tackle and returned one punt for 10 yards on special teams. Oh, just do-it-all guy. Classic. Lunch pail guy.

First one in, last one out. Coach's son. Rust belt guy. Rust belt guy. I like B.J. Every time he comes on our show, the first time I had him on, I had no idea what to expect. And I actually told him that, like on air.

I was like, you know, I've heard some people, they don't love you. Some people do because I'm just reading what people are saying about him and things like that. And that first conversation I had with him, I was like, I love this man. I am a man. He's just a guy that I think is infectious. You know what I mean? I think he's infectious. That was a great motivational speech and very presidential.

Might I add, like I said at the beginning of the show i have a question for you too uh now with like the younger generation and the different generational players coming in like we have veterans come in and say it's completely different type of human being do you think coaches like pj fleck who are like that have a better chance in the nfl nfl or no i don't know i have no idea i think so I think just because not even the fact that, like, the generation, the generational thing where players' attention span, all this stuff. I mean, guys are still, like, the guys that want to be there want to be there. But you just have to go about it different ways.

Whether you have – you never have a meeting longer than 30 minutes without giving your guys a break. I know different teams do all kinds of little tricks here and there to keep their guys' attention. But I think a guy like P.J. has a chance in the NFL just because he's willing to evolve. He's willing to change to try to win. He's not stuck in his ways, I don't think, where he's like, this is it. This is what we do. This is my offense. This is my defense. This is how we do it. And then if somebody asks the question, well, why do we do it that way, coach? Because that's

the way I've always done it, which is the worst answer ever. Do you think becoming an NFL coach is his dream? Is that all coaches' dreams if they're in football? Or are they like Saban, I think? His dream may have been to be an NFL coach and he finally stunk at it and he comes back to college and dominates it. Does every coach want to become an NFL coach? I wonder that on a very real level. I don't think so.

I don't think so. I mean, it may become PJ's dream eventually. I don't think so. It may become P.J.'s dream eventually. I don't think it is right now, but it depends what your goals are. They all want to win, but P.J. seems like the kind of guy that wants to impact these young kids. I'm sure he says that, but you can have

a huge impact on these guys' lives. An NFL coach can't have nearly the impact on an NFL player as you can a college kid. Think about the loyalty some people feel towards their college program, their college coaches. True. I mean, colleges' fan bases are just much more cult-like than anywhere else. I mean, people feel an affinity to their universities forever.

Legends. That's literally what they feel. So, P.J., if he can flip that Minnesota team back into being a dominant team, which, by the way last year hell of a run if they have another great run there's going to be a lot of people trying to get pj fleck at their big ass school probably down in the south somewhere if i had to guess he got a big he got a big extension last year during the year yeah because before they beat penn state even yeah it was the week it was like what four days before they beat penn state

or whatever by the way you lose that game that's a tough one i i think after you sign that massive extension, but I think Minnesota knows that there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be after PJ Fleck here. They built that new $40 million facility that we were in. It's beautiful up there. I mean, it's like Minnesota is, I think they're trying to become a real, you know what I mean? Like they're trying to become a massive program and PJ Fleck's going to be the guy they do it around. I think it's smart. I think it's a smart move because that college football world is insane people get up and leave they go over mike nor nor norville norville norville at memphis that guy had success there and then bang gone to florida state it's like that's that's how it works you know so if you can hang on to a good guy and

let him build a real program through there i mean that's going to be potentially massively success story for the gophers out there in minnesota well think about pj when every every time i see him or you get to speak to him it seems like oh i understand how you could go into these young kids living room and you can win over their parents you can win over the kid like yeah of course i want to play for this dude like who who wouldn't want to play for that i think that when i've i had the chance to interview uh dabbo sweeney a couple years ago with serious in person, and I talked to him for like 20 minutes afterwards off the air,

and I was like, man, if this dude came into my living room and had like, he was this, like, he was how he is on the, like, you know. People either love Dabo or they hate him, it seems like. He's one of those guys, one of those personalities. But the dude is so positive, so just engaged and over the top. I was like, I get it, man. If I'm 16, 17 years old, this guy makes you feel like wanted. He makes you feel like a connection.

And that's such a huge thing in the college world. You have to continue to always recruit the next crop of dudes. And I think PJ is great at that. That recruiting thing, I think that's why I wouldn't fare well in that world. Brutal. You never have a second off. Like you never have any time off. Yeah, I think you're a really good kid,

but there's like 500 of you out there. It'll be hard for me to be, you know what I mean? There's a lot of super talented high school kids, but boy, there's a lot of super talented high school players that end up doing nothing ever again. And people are spending like 15, 20 hours of their life recruiting that person. I mean, and then obviously there's success stories that you don't know,

the diamonds in the rough and stuff like that. But that constant recruiting, I'm not 100% sure I'd be on board with, Doug. No, you'll be at home 9.30 at night. You get a text from a recruit. You got to text them back. You got to tweet back to them. And then they take these visits these these campus visits at any time where oh hey we're i know sorry i know we're supposed to go get a little timmy baptized but

old uh bill johnson's in town i gotta take him to the basketball game friday then take his family around campus all day saturday and then sunday i drive them to the airport so sorry you just get this one baptized again you know i won't be there. I mean, it's a college coaching life. It's crazy. But they love ball. They love ball. A lot of them love that recruiting thing. I think some coaches don't make the jump to the NFL

because they almost would get bored without that recruiting. Coach Collins down there in Georgia, Texas, he loves recruiting. Absolutely loves recruiting. I mean, what else are you going to say? You have to say that when you're in the job. No, but I think he actually does if you follow along. I mean, he loves recruiting. What else are you going to say? You have to say that when you're in the job. No, but I think he actually does if you follow along. I mean, he loves it. I believe there's definitely a lot of coaches that enjoy

the recruiting part, and there's a lot of coaches that are in college as a position coach and they despise the recruiting, although they know they have to be good at it to keep their job, and they want to make the jump to the league. But I got buddies that are position coaches around the country at different schools, and a lot of them want to go to the league but they're like hey man it's not that easy to get into like you see he's like especially if you

never played at all in the league and you have no real connection like their connections are with a lot of college coaches so they want to get into the nfl but it's just not easy breaking in a lot of time coaching is all in who you know isn't it i mean you look at a huge frat that's all it is whenever you hire one coach you know the other coaches that are coming with them like it's it's because like oh one of our guys got a job all right here we go we're going and then one of the other guys get a job okay we'll pick up half these people and then half these people it's all about networking who you know it's tough i'd assume nick just asked a great question there you were that you know super stud uh from centerville and elk flying around

head button guys all over ohio was your recruiting process just like guaranteed going to ohio state you were going to be an ohio state kid regardless because you were basically the picture of ohio state if i ever had to put a picture of ohio state i'd put a picture of aj hawk up there uh no it was i mean i knew if ohio state offered me i was going to go there absolutely but they i got an offer i had to go to camp going into my senior year the summer going into my senior year and i had to go to camp and do everything and i i finally got an offer after that camp and i committed and i never you know i grew up about an hour and a half from columbus where ohio state is i wasn't like the craziest most diehard ohio state fan i them. I never thought it was a reality to ever play there.

So yeah, I knew if they offered me, I'm going. Yeah, but Ohio State is like a cult in Ohio. I mean, yeah, it's a pretty big deal. Did Michigan offer you? No. I don't even think I got a letter from Michigan. Michigan State? Maybe a couple

letters. I don't think I got an offer from them. Did you take visits to other places besides Ohio state? I didn't take any official visits anywhere else. I took like unofficial visits, Penn state. I took one there. My brother was two years older than me. I took some visits with him when he was being recruited to like Northwestern,

a couple other spots. Smart. How were the visits? Good time. Did you have a good time at the Ohio state official visit? Oh, great time. Loved it. And then all my buddies were like, man, are you crazy? Why didn't you take all five official visits? Even if you knew you were going to Ohio State? And I'm like, well, I guess that wasn't really, I didn't have that in my mind when I was 17, 18 years old. I kind of wish that I would have been recruited a little bit heavier

because my official visits were legendary. I mean, they were awesome. They can't do that anymore. They really cut down on what you could do with recruits now. By the way, I batted 1,000 with the recruits that I helped host and hosted whenever I was on the team too. Whenever it was a big name, I used to get a text. Hey, we got insert name of Noel Devine in town this weekend. What are we doing? All right, where are we meeting up at? Let's do it.

Let's put on a show for the kid. Did you ask for his per diem? No, I don't think so. We have guys that would do that sometimes. They give recruits like a little, I think, I don't know if they can anymore, but they get some kind of per diem. We had guys that would try to ask for it. Try to get it from the kid.

Well, it's probably not the greatest thing if you really want this kid to come to school here. Ohio State players stole from recruits. Send that to Mark Emmert. They also gave away merch for tattoos. Let me write that down. From recruits and tattoos, which you already know about. Revisit tattoos.

You remember all those people that are tweeting me? I didn't say they stole per diem from recruits. already know about. Revisit tattoos. You remember all those people that are tweeting me? I didn't say they stole per diem from recruits. I said they asked the recruits for the per diem. I don't know if the recruits gave it to them or not. So I should say stole slash borrowed? Bullied, I think is the word. Bullied. Asked for it.

Don't know if the transaction actually took place. Slash borrowed. Okay. Appreciate that, AJ. That's really all we need what if this conversation takes down the ohio state buckeyes no more crews i get calls from the compliance office asking me questions how much money did you take from recruits on campus visits hey ncaa did a little uh self-awareness did you see that i'm actually kind of happy for him no what so the um i said this on my show earlier and i've said it on record the ncaa is known for sticking their nose into things that they shouldn't stick their nose into they're they're known for punishing people that if they didn't punish them the whole world would be like yeah

smart move not punishing that person they. They overstep their authority on a very regular basis and nobody truly understands why or what the fuck they're trying to accomplish. They're never in front of anything either. They're always reacting to something that goes wrong. They never get in front of the problem. Always. I mean, they're a reactionary organization. They overstep their authority organization. They're what a lot of people hate PR-wise, just because they've showed themselves not to care about anything other than being greedy corporate fat cats. Shout out to Ty Schmidt. Then this Trevor Lawrence situation popped up where he and his girlfriend opened a GoFundMe for coronavirus victims, and the

compliance officials at Clemson shut that down stat. right? Which, by the way, if you go by the NCAA rules, which is what the compliance officials are supposed to do, is enforce the NCAA rules, you could see how a GoFundMe could be a bit alarming because you have no idea who's going to be dumping money in there. You don't know what's going to happen with the money. Yeah, we raised. It's like what cops do whenever they do a drug bust or a money bust.

We raised $50,000 when actually you raised $80,000 and you're keeping $30,000, which, by the way, I'm sure that happens. Not a good thing. But that's why the NCAA and the compliance people are like, we don't know what Trevor and his girlfriend are doing. Although, all signs point to Trevor being an absolute angel, by the way. But you can see how the NCAA and the compliance people would be upset about this because they're buffoons.

So the NCAA heard the backlash from the compliance shutting down the biggest star in college football trevor lawrence by the way the biggest star in college football trevor lawrence may be going to go down as the greatest college football player of all time depending on what he does next you think he's going to take timmy tebow's place there there's a chance if he wins another national championship next year in a heisman and he's going to be guaranteed number one pick i think trevor lawrence potentially greatest college football player of all time. Unbelievable player. I think his athleticism, everything like that, but their biggest star was trying to help out during an unprecedented worldwide pandemic.

And they shut it down because of their own rules. The compliance person, the NCAA came out due to the backlash and said, Hey, we'll make an exception for this. If our biggest star wants to raise money, we'll do that. Good for them. Open up the GoFundMe again. Potential a bunch of money being raised. I don't think the NCAA is just letting Trevor Lawrence and his girlfriend do this without them keeping an eye on the account. I would assume that they're going to watch the account closely, but I think this is a step in the right direction of self-awareness for an organization that isn't normally that. Yeah, I mean, I look at it as I feel like the NCAA probably is doing it just to save face and not have any

more negative press because Trevor Lawrence is such a star. Right now, there's no live sports happening. This would be gigantic if Trevor Lawrence is trying to help out and the NCAA shuts him down. The question is, let's say the backup long snapper on another team wants to start a

GoFundMe to help coronavirus victims. Are they going to let that kid do it? I mean, that'd be positionism if they didn't want to. By the way, that backup long snapper, he's connected. He's got a lot of webs out there spun into different communities and departments that'll be able to raise money for that GoFundMe. But you could see how GoFundMe, Cash App, and Venmo are potential real problems for the NCAA trying to enforce this. You can't give money to anybody who does

anything good world. I would assume those kids' Cash Apps, every touchdown that they get, the notifications on their phone are just cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, even if it's five bucks from students 10 bucks let alone a booster gets on there for 100 bucks to 200 bucks i mean i bet you cash app and venmo has been a game changer for these players uh who are in big time programs i would assume i i'm not i would assume bitcoin would be big because you can't really trace it you could trace back where a venmo and cash app came from it's true yeah but bitcoin's fake i mean i don't completely understand bitcoin i've listened to different people that are involved like explain it for hours and hours

and i'm still like okay still don't get it when they're you have all these people with all these servers or computers set up their data mining for their mining for bitcoin i'm like what is this where was it where was it they're mining in what what are they mining in because there's a finite amount of bitcoin supposedly out there i guess where i know who has it they don't even know who invented it well you got a mind for it and what you got a mind for it in things that have been created by man that makes no sense so so there's one bitcoin master at the beginning of this thing that was just sprinkling them in all the code in the deep web they don't even know. Where the hell?

They don't know. Where the hell was it happening? I don't know. I don't know. I would like to know. I've never seen anybody get rich off Bitcoin. I've heard a lot of people talk about it. I was offered a Bitcoin way back.

I didn't pull the trigger because I heard Kim Jong-un was potentially using Bitcoin power through the team. So I was like, I don't know. And then now a lot of people I respect are into Bitcoin. I'm like, have any of you made money off Bitcoin? They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I i'm like have any of you seen money that you've made off bitcoin no no it'd be stupid to sell the bitcoin now we're gonna wait for it to pass it's like when teams like uh when i was early on in green bay uh currency exchange i don't know if

this happened for you in india at all guys were buying up iraqi dinars it's the the currency in iraq and like hey once we once the country gets stabilized man we might be billionaires and we We're buying up Iraqi dinars. It's the currency in Iraq. And like, hey, once the country gets stabilized, man, we might be billionaires. And we had dudes putting real money into it. And I remember telling them. Oh, my God. It became the joke. Like, we'd be stretching.

Oh, it's about to hit. Yeah, it's about to hit, guys. And I said, the only guy making money is the person charging a fee to have them transfer their cash into Iraqi dinars. That guy's the only I'm making money out These are just more stories that come out about professional athletes making terrible investments Terrible investments you can see how they could get sold on that though buy this money now It's terrible their economies crashed whenever that town comes back Iraq You guys are gonna be kings of the castle with all this money

It's like pieces of gold over here in America is how they're being sold on that. They're like, deal, give me 100,000 of them. And then they're telling their friends, I just got $4 million if Iraq comes up and it's $100,000. And it turns out they probably changed their money. They probably just changed their money and that literally is nothing. You might as well just take that to a casino that is crash pal because that money is gone new chips those don't work see you later or or the the currency that you bought it was fake all along and you were getting duped from the from the jump from whoever yeah was facilitating this whole deal yeah it's like mark brunel didn't he uh he invested in the uh floating furniture for floods

is that what it was i know it was big real estate stuff, I think, that he signed personally on that went under that ultimately got him, but floating furniture? Maybe it wasn't Brunel. It was Brunel. Floating furniture? I don't know what it was specifically, but he ran into major financial trouble. Not as bad as Kurt Schilling.

Oh, yeah. Kurt Schilling was going to change the game, as was, by the way, Mark Brunel. Think about these guys, though, whenever they put all this money that they've... How much money are you losing at? His bankruptcy court filings. He had 5 million assets against

25 million in debt. So, think about how rich he thought he was going to get, though, whenever he put his money into all these things. That's the story that is lost in all these broke stories you know that come out about professional athletes think about how rich a lot of the dudes thought they were going to be when they were making the investments convinced floating furniture during floods a deal pal here's 500 000 this is going to make us what at least 10 million no problem this real estate house it's in a

terrible part of town the town's going to come up though don't worry about it give us a million two million dollars a night you'll be able to sell that for 5x here in about 5 10 years whenever this neighborhood that neighborhood never comes so now in their minds not only do they actually physically lose that cash because it's gone but in their minds they're losing potential hundreds of millions that they thought were coming in on these incredible. And the floating couches, by the way, they thought that was going to sell to a venture capitalist company for hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm going to get that. Excuse me.

Come here. Give me the real estate. Excuse me. I got a patent pending on it. Excuse me. Here's this. And they're just money's just gone, gone, gone, gone. That's why I always said these guys that are in the stock market like I appreciate and respect the fact that that's what smart people

Tell you to do but when 2008 happens and when today happens And you have no idea where your money went at least I saw my money get handed from me to the bartender when I bought Thousands of shots for people around the country. You know what I mean? Like at least I got the experience that that wrestling ring is still here Yeah, it was a few thousand dollars that I spent. It was probably a bad financial decision, but at least it's still here and I can see it. At least I had the moment. These stock market guys and these other businesses guys that do all this,

they don't even get to experience their money. But in their minds, they're making hundreds of millions, and it's all gone. The problem about athletes, though, when they do this, they were already rich when they got into this. They were rich when they decided to give all this money out and try to hit it big. And I'm sure you've heard a lot of athletes saying, no, isn't it the line from the Facebook movie? No, it's cool. Being a millionaire is not cool.

Being a billionaire. I've had athletes tell me that. And I'm like, cool. Not going to happen. You're not going to become a billionaire. So why don't you, the big chunk of money that you have made doing what you do best, continue to do that and continue to make some conservative investments and let that money grow and you should be set for the rest of your life.

By the way, it would be cool to be a billionaire. It would be awesome. It would be amazing. But then what? Guess what, though? You become a billionaire and you're like, you know what? I need to climb that Forbes list. I need to be number one.

I need to have $80 billion. You were talking to a person who at plenty of occasions that i would like to have a billion dollars so i feel like that was a little bit of a shot at me but know that if i ever get a billion dollars i'm gonna i'm gonna be cool with it i'm just gonna be cool with a billion like a billion you want to like it be a billion liquid or you want your net worth to be a billion how does it work no i want i want i want the billion to to just sit here if i i want a pet billion it's all about being liquid trace comas i would like i would like a pet billion dollars that i could potentially pull out and put next to me that's what i would like at the end of this thing i think i'm probably 30 40 years away from that which by

the way never thought i'd survive that long i always thought i was gonna die young i've changed my mindset i would like to live a little bit longer now i would like to live a little bit longer so I think I'm like 30 40 years away from that we're gonna go down trying though we're gonna buy a lot of floating cushions and stuff yeah that would be cool to have in your pool when is enough when is enough enough though Pat what like no you gotta trust the process dude it's not about the destination it's about the journey aj i mean warren buffett's still working pat yeah but he also eats mcdonald's in the morning and only spends a buck on that i would have changed my order about 45 50 times he and i are not similar humans do we know of any billionaires that just said good i'm cool like they got out they stepped

down to ceo and they just maybe they serve on the board of whatever company but they just hanging out not really doing anything gates there's a gates just but there's a bunch of people when the first internet boom happened a lot of people sold their websites and stuff like that for like 30 million 60 million 100 million dollars back in the day if you were getting your website was getting hits that was like like 1 50th of the sites that what views that sites are getting now, people are buying up your website because they wanted information and stuff like that. I've met like four or five different dudes that started internet companies back in the day and sold for like 60 million 120 minute, the

one guy the 120 million guy, he just he came to golf in the round that I was in because the one person that I was supposed to golf with, we're supposed to do business together. This guy had been chilling for seven years, he got 120 million, he came to golf in the round that I was in because the one person that I was supposed to golf with, we were supposed to do business together. This guy had been chilling for seven years. He got 120 million. He'd just been chilling. He's fat. He had this massive beard.

He had this incredible tan. He was drinking. I think it was like 1030 a.m. He was already getting after it. He's a guy. Yeah, this guy sold his company for 120 million dollars like 10 years ago or whatever. That guy's just been chilling. I think there's a lot of those stories where people get paid out for their companies and then they just

well fuck it i'm out of here tom from myspace there's a guy he went on to become just a professional photographer so you can do what you want yeah i kind of like that when i hear people step away and just hang out and do exactly what they want to do a lot of those guys too especially when they were early on and internet things, a lot of them have turned into these angel investor guys that put money into Uber when it's starting or Facebook. They're angel investors and for every

10 that they do or 20 they do, they hope one of them hits it big. Are you talking about Gary Vee? Is Gary Vee an angel investor? Yeah, I guess he is. I'm thinking like Tim Ferriss. I've heard of him. He's supposed to be really good. Everybody tells me I should listen to his stuff. He's massive, isn't he?

Four-hour work week. I mean, I think you'll have a hard time listening to his podcast. He's really like deliberate and slow talking. Yeah. So I think you may struggle to regain focus or continue to have some focus on listening to him when he does speak. But he has huge people on his show. I read his book for our work week way back in the day when it came out.

Yeah, he does great stuff, but all those dudes are always searching like these incubators for these companies that are going to be the next big thing and they're going to pump money into them and hope they're big and they're going to have a nice little equity position. I would like to let Tim Ferriss know

that there is a small business in indiana that he could buy for a few hundred million dollars but then what would you do if you sold oh dude what are you talking island bro see ya i'm on an island but if he buys your business he wants to buy you yeah see that's what he needs he needs the boys yeah we got to work on yeah we got to work on that we can forget he don't need us blue pole, he does need the boys. He does need the boys. Not all of them. Well, that's for sure, but he does need the boys in general. True. They're so negative over there.

Well, we're just realistic. These guys are realistic. I think they're selling themselves short. I think Tim Ferriss needs you. When Tim Ferriss buys Pat McAfee, Inc. for $380 million next year, it's going to be a package deal like it's not just pat the crew has to come with absolutely by the way everything i've done has been packaged deals literally are you okay are you that loyal to where because i've

seen this presented in movies maybe where they come to you and like pat hey i know we'll give you 250 mil yeah i need you to come out to la hang out do your show from there it'd be great stress-free we'll have everything set up for you we'll we'll grow it it's going to be gigantic but here's the thing just you leave the guys home yeah i'd give the boys each like two three million dollars and dip i'd say you guys got to figure out how to fucking make money on your own and i think we'd be okay with that two three, three million. Are you kidding me?

Connor. If I were you guys, though, each of you, Pat should sit in a big boardroom somewhere, and they get to each come in one at a time and make a presentation that we film, and they tell you what they think they're worth to you, and you decide how much to give them. No, it's not about what they—oh, you're talking about in that particular situation? Yeah, where you're like, okay, Pat, I know you're supposed to give like a, you said you're going to give two mil to everybody here. But let's say Cuban Zeke comes into your office. He's like, hey, Pat, listen, I get it.

Those guys should have two million. Look at me. I need five. You know how valuable I am. And then he lays out all these facts. He lays out like he puts together like a PowerPoint deck of all these, all the numbers. He runs some analytics on how valuable he is and you're like you know what you're right five mil you write him

a check right there no so what i think we would do now this would be a hilarious situation and we were pretty close not the number you said but a number where we were able to potentially have this conversation almost happened would you have continued your show and everything? Yeah. I'm too active. There's no way you, if someone gave you $1 billion tax-free right now, Pat, $1 billion in a duffel bag,

I still don't think you could just go hang out. I agree. I 100% agree. That's why my island that I'm going to move to will have good Wi-Fi. I will be active. I will still be creating things. I think I'd want to invest in stuff that I'm going to move to will have good Wi-Fi. I will be active. I will still be creating things. I think I'd want to invest in stuff that I see from other places.

I would just hang out, though. I'm okay kind of disappearing for a little bit. And then ultimately re-emerging, obviously, probably running for president or something. That would be a cool thing. But the conversation about if I got broken off and given to the boys, I think there would be there'd be a payment period where they would each get a couple million or whatever. And then there would be a pitch where they would have companies that they would like to start that I think we

would also probably like to help fund. So you would blow all of the billion dollars trying to invest in floating furniture, floating furniture with. Floating furniture. I would, so let's be smart about this, obviously. AJ, you've had to do this with the amount of contracts you've had. You take the amount of money, you're like, okay, this is what I would like to keep to live forever. This is the amount of money for my family,

for me, my parents, blah, blah, blah, you name it, right? You take that money. Now, this money right here, this is what we like to call house money. This is not my money. This is not my money. This is money that we are just trying to do whatever, have a good time with, spread the love, donate, things like that, charities, causes, businesses, friends' businesses. That's what I think the right move would be if you ever get to that situation. In my eyes, I think that's the

right move. I think that's some sound advice. Yeah, you figure out what your monthly nut is, what you need. Hopefully live off your interest and then have this money set aside. Like your house money, everything, you're not really going to touch for stuff like that. But then you have this house money that's kind of fun. And maybe I can hit a unicorn and all of a sudden have a company that 400X on my investment, something like that. Bingo. Bingo. But you have to talk. You need to sit and talk to professionals on what that amount may be you may think that you may put too much into that account yeah i'm sure those professionals won't be lying to my fucking face to get themselves

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a lot of people are going to question that move, even though they're not really talking about it. Letting Tom Brady go, are they going to rebuild if they don't have success? And if Tom goes out and shows out like Peyton Manning did at Denver after the Colts cut him, I mean, there's going to be a lot of regret I think potentially just like there was in Indianapolis I think by a lot of the fans watching Peyton Manning break a lot of NFL records in a Denver Broncos jersey after he was cut from the Indianapolis Colts I would assume that same type of feeling could happen from New England Patriots fans if Tom Brady goes out there and just slings it and the Patriots aren't worth a damn next year. But Peyton's a little different, though.

He was coming off the elbow situation, right? So the Colts didn't know elbow, neck, back, whatever they did. He had the nerve damage, so he didn't know if he could throw like he used to. Yep. So they didn't really know if he was going to be able to continue playing. And we saw he played, what, two years in Denver and won a Super Bowl? Three, two, three. Two or three. One to two Super Bowls, though. though yeah so two or three he went to two remember that remember the first super bowl that he went to when he got beat when the first

snap of the game went over his head for safety and that was the game the seahawks defense entire legion of boom knew every single thing he was saying he would go out and give a signal to the wide receiver in richard, Earl Thomas, and Cam Chancellor. Browner. He was in jail right now. What did he do? He was in jail for a while. He was very tall. Brandon Browner's in jail? Yeah.

Patriot scumbag. He won back-to-back Super Bowls with Seattle in the one after with New England. What did he do? Something bad. Come on it. Anyways, they knew exactly what Peyton was doing as soon as he gave the signal out to the wide receiver. They knew exactly what he was doing every single time. That was awesome to watch almost.

I mean, it was an absolute blowout in the Super Bowl, which we don't see happen too often, I guess. But, man, that was the one in New York, too, where they got very lucky that it didn't have a full-blown blizzard for the game. Oh, yeah. Remember they were talking about possibly moving the game to a Monday if this crazy storm came in? All of a sudden it was like 50 degrees in February in New York. That was shortly after the one in Dallas where ice was happening and people were suing.

Oh, was that that one? Yeah. You went to that one? Yeah, I played in that one. Did you guys win that one? Yeah. Yeah! Yeah, you did! Let's go! A.J. Hawk! one yeah I played in that one just went that one yeah I was reading about no he beat the Steelers don't I was reading about Brandon Browners attempted murder

case attempted murder he's in jail he's in jail how long did he get eight years oh shit so he got found guilty for that oh he did it if what i'm reading is correct a jury of his peers pled no does attempted murder mean like you went and tried and you just didn't stab him enough or is it like you were thinking about like you did actually stab them but they didn't end up dying from being he allegedly physically harmed and made threats to kill the victim. Oh, that's not good. Not good. I assume that would be

difficult to prove. They probably have text voice recordings. I'm guessing there's a lot of things backing him up. Yeah, but I feel like I've watched enough documentaries. If you have good money, you can have a good lawyer. You can get a jury. The right jury, you know? That's interesting.

Well, maybe they did. Maybe he was looking at 30 years, and his lawyer got him eight. Well, I think he pled no contest, which he refused to say that he was guilty, but he didn't want to go to court. That's what no contest means, right? Oh, he didn't go to trial? No contest means you didn't. That's a plea, I think.

You are not deemed guilty, but you are not deemed innocent. Is that what it is? That's what Bull taught us. Yeah, Bull. I mean, everything goes, everyone pleads down. Like, everyone pleads, it seems like, because he was probably faced like, hey, if we go to trial and you lose, he could have been looking at 25, 30 years. Or you can take a plea of no contest and serve eight.

He's like, man, eight sucks, but I don't want 30. That's the risk. It's a risky play. You watch a lot of crime stuff? Yeah. that's the risk it's a risky play you watch a lot of crime stuff yeah i mean i've read all like the oj books and klinsky the guy uh the the ice man killer i hope you saw his show back in the day there's a great book about hitman s yeah we're deep into that the cole klinsky interview i think it was on hbo where they had him walk down the hallway and he sat down with his cup of coffee and talked for like 10 hours straight about how he killed people.

And then he would just get up and just stroll back to his cell. And then the next day they come, stroll out, drink his coffee, talk about how he murdered people and put them in ice trucks and then disposed their bodies two weeks later. They had no idea how dead they were.

Then drank his coffee and then strolled back and then came back another day. That was a wild series. I don't know if anything like that will ever be done again you that was an actual hired assassin just talking very openly about everything he did in a very matter-of-fact manner i've never that was a mind blower for me yeah there's like no emotion in it he just just laid out the facts on these different people he would kill and oh well this guy i chopped him up i put his body in a hole and then i put us like i grinded up his head in a meat grinder so that no one could identify him he's just so like

matter of fact and dead serious and then he's like and then i went home and wrapped my kids christmas presents and then what happened ultimately is we got too sloppy we were killing too many people he's like that's really what happened that's we got too sloppy. We were killing too many people. Is that really what happened? That's how it ended. He started hiring other people to do killings for him. He was like, we became too big of a business. We got too sloppy.

I heard you like the paint houses. Oh, there's another. Irishman. Yeah, but Jimmy Hoffa, right? That's the guy's name. Yes. Hey, where's he at, you think? I think he's alive somewhere.

Jimmy Hoffa's dead. Dead, dead, dead. He's very dead. Where's his body then? Under Ford Field. Ford Field. How's the Meadowlands? Well, Ford Field because Detroit is where he was from or whatever.

The Meadowlands is where the Mafia was obviously obviously based at so it's two different stories there digs is italian so i'm sure his family has an entire spell on where he's potentially at yeah the jimmy hoffa situation's weird i mean the irishman shows you i guess kind of what was happening a little bit i read that book i hear you paint houses a while ago too it's good i didn't know a whole lot about i just knew the name jimmy hoff i knew i oh what he was what he's head of the union was that his title oh yeah yeah truckers he handled he had so much power because if he shut down this is my trucking if he touched down trucking we're screwed that's why the trucking's still going on now in this pandemic we need them we need all those people tim mcfee was a trucker the backbone of america hell of America are the truck drivers.

I know your dad can build anything. I know I was talking to him. He was saying like your box truck that you set up for your mobile show. Like, Pat, yeah, we got this box truck. And Pat said, Dad, you think you could do it? And I said, all right, cool. How much time? You got like 14 days.

Cool. Awesome. Two weeks. Sounds good. Made it happen. It was a Tim McAfee production. You're lucky to have Tim McAfee in your life. I agree.

Some ways. What are the other ways? What are the non-positive? It's just Tim McAfee. I don't know how to fully. It's just Tim McAfee. But yeah, I'm very lucky to have Tim McAfee in my life. Was a truck driver.

Taught me hard work and grit and everything like that. Hero of mine growing up and still to this day. And did build a box truck studio in about 14 days one pushed under the gun with zero experience in that type of field i mean that's impressive where's the box truck now it's in a uh a warehouse on the north side here it's big it's a target it's a target good times in that box truck but the first week right it was like 7 000 degrees. But the first week, right, it was like 7,000 degrees in there. The next week it was freezing cold. So there was some things that we had to kind of juke and jive. Mark Snare, Popeye was the driver.

I mean, Tim McAfee and Mark Snare are a duo there that really got that thing done. Yeah, who's the next quarterback to sign, Pat? Cam Newton. When? You know what? I don't know. That's a great question because we'll be before the draft or after the draft if you're the chargers are you trying to sign him before the draft are you waiting to see what happens in the draft to see if you get air bear or potentially if you somehow make a move and get to or somebody else i mean do you wait and see if that happens

and if it doesn't work you're like yeah we yeah, we still got Cam Newton we could sign. Or do you think somebody's going to sign Cam Newton before the draft? I mean, I guess that is a real question that teams have to have. There has to be a sense of urgency, especially with these videos he's putting on the internet. I think he's hungry, pal.

I think he's ready to go. I would sign Cam Newton tomorrow. I would. I think he's hungry, pal. I like how you said that. Well, one thing I did read that was interesting. They said the Chargers, people think he's going to pal. I like how you said that. Well, one thing I did read that was interesting. They said the Chargers, people think he's going to go there, of course.

But the Chargers weren't super hot. They didn't come after Cam when he was available for trade. Yeah, but I think nobody wanted to trade with the Panthers because they knew nobody was going to trade for Cam. But if you really wanted him, if you felt like, hey, he's our guy. He's our franchise guy. We want him to lead our organization. You don't want to give 30 other teams a chance to go after him that's a very true statement and i i nick foes i guess they traded the bears were willing to trade for that you know what i mean

for that deal that came with it 80 million dollar deal or whatever that just that just shows me the chargers aren't 100 sure that cam newton is the answer that's right i mean that's real what if or what if their contract situation, they felt like maybe they couldn't work it out with his current contract, what he owed. So they said, we're going to take a chance and hopefully get him once he's released. Do you think Cam Newton takes anything less

than what he was going to get paid last year, which is $21 million? I think he may be forced to take less, yeah. You're believing that article that said he's going to be a backup next year, aren't you? No, I don't think he's going to be a backup, no. I don't think he would even put himself in that position. And I think wherever he goes, he's going to be on the warpath wherever he goes, don't you think?

I mean, you say he's hungry, pal. He's hungry, pal, but they're going to have to pay him more than $21 million than if he's going to be the starting quarterback. No, they're not. Yeah, they are. He can sign like a one-year prove it deal for 14 million or something no way as a starter incentives possible to reach 20 million with incentives that you'll probably never reach they'll probably get to the 25 million dollar incentives then yeah but it's going to be like oh you got to lead the league in punting to get an extra three mil

like they used to do all that they don't do that anymore in contracts that used to be in people's contracts the incentives used to be hilarious just's contracts. The incentives used to be hilarious. Just for the agents to make themselves look good. We signed a three-year, $750 million deal, 745 of it, which will be incentivized on good play, which will happen. For instance, he gets a $300 million incentive in his contract if he kicks two field goals. Yes, we know he's a wide receiver, but there is an opportunity where two field goals could happen.

Kickers kick field goals all the time. He only needs two of them for an extra $300 million. Also, if he plays in 99.9% of the plays this year, he will see another $150 million. And if he's on pace to potentially play in the 99.9% of the games and we don't have playoffs on the line, there is a chance that the coach will abruptly pull him out of the game

for a certain amount of plays that make sure he does not get the 99.9 percent playing bonus that he also had in that contract i mean there was shit in those contracts that was just complete trash complete i'm glad they've gotten away from that like it's just there's no reason for it i feel like to have that you might kick a field goal well maybe that's i mean if i was if i'm a receiver and i have an extra 300 mil on the line for me kicking a field goal, you know, I am absolutely in collusion with all my teammates.

Hey, guys, I'll give you each 200K. I'm going to run just before the coach can call a timeout. I'm going to sprint out there. I don't have to make it. I just got to attempt this thing. Let me kick one of these. I might kick on second down a few times. Oh, my God.

I didn't even think about your teammates looking out for you. Like, all right, now's the time. We know what we got to do. Who's holding? Running back? All right, you hold. All right, direct snap it to him. I'll kind of block the left side here.

You just come into motion and kick that thing. I would tell the refs, too, like, hey, if my coach is calling a timeout, he doesn't mean it. He doesn't? Don't listen to him. I've seen and heard stories about coaches benching players whenever they have a play percentage bonus on the line. I've heard that's a thing, but do you think it's the coach?

If it was like a coach that had all the power and he was the GM too, I can understand, but coaches aren't tied to that, but they are getting pressure from the owner. Like, you know, if the owner's on the sideline in the third and fourth quarter and you've got a guy that is close to that playtime incentive, that owner might just bring in the righty. He might tap his arm or something to get him out of here. That used to happen. that used to happen they used to happen that's why the players are so uh up in arms about the amount of percentages that they are getting paid because sometimes the

contracts that you hear about are a bunch of bullshit last thing here before we go aj this is a quote from bruce arians on the rich eisen Okay, this is what Bruce Arians. Friend of the program. He is a friend of the show. I know. You friends of Bruce Arians? No, I mean Rich Eisen. Oh, sorry. Rich Eisen, friend of this program.

Bruce Arians and Rich Eisen, friend of the show. Bruce Arians called two teams to recommend Jameis to them as a free agent quarterback his quote to Rich Eisen I've called a couple teams you're going to get one of the hardest workers you've ever had and a great young man it didn't work out for us only because Tom Brady was available and we had Teddy Bridgewater if that wouldn't have worked out we were going full steam ahead back with Jameis if it wasn't for that he's a great young man and no one is going to outwork him so bruce aarons says didn't work out for us because tom brady was available we could have never expected tom brady to be available honestly could you did anybody think we didn't know he was available and then also teddy bridgewater was also

available but if not for those two we're going full speed ahead with Jameis. And he said he was calling teams on behalf of Jameis. And if he was saying that, I would love to hear the other side. But so you're saying Tom and Teddy both better than, okay, got it. So we shouldn't sign him is what we're saying. No, I think Bruce legitimately likes Jameis. He told us that that's the reason why he went back to the Buccaneers when he could have went to a couple different

places to be the head coach. He chose Tampa basically after a year of retirement because he liked Jameis Winston. I think whenever he found out that Tom Brady could be on the table, he was like, wait a fucking minute. And then whenever he was like, Teddy Bridgewater, we like Teddy Bridgewater. This year has just been so different for quarterbacks. I don't think

he meant that as a shot at Jameis Winston, but boy, I think it really could sound that way if you take it that way. Well, this is why I love Bruce Arians. I like people that give their real opinion. There is no reason for Bruce Arians to add Teddy Bridgewater into this. Zero reason. Only negative things can come for Jameis from adding Teddy. Teddy's got to get a little juice from that, don't you think?

Teddy's like, oh, okay, cool. It's a little confidence booster for him. But for Jameis, it can't feel great, and it's not the best endorsement to other teams. Hey, he was third in line. If everything else fell through, we were riding hard with Jameis. That's basically what he said. But the fact that he threw Teddy Bridgewater,

were they that high on Teddy Bridgewater? I guess so. By the way, Carolina Panthers very he threw Teddy Bridgewater, were they that high on Teddy Bridgewater? I guess so. By the way, Carolina Panthers very high on Teddy Bridgewater, kicking Cam Newton out. Man, Teddy better have a good year. Teddy could have got a lot of money from a lot of places, it sounds like. He was going to get offers from Tampa. He got, obviously, from Carolina because he and Joe Brady were together

back in the Saints a couple years back. But, boy, it really feels like Teddy Bridgewater had a massive market. Was Teddy Bridgewater's market bigger than Tom Brady's market? That'll be determined. I know the Carolina Panthers weren't interested in Tom Brady. Obviously, they got at least seven years

with Matt Rule, but they wanted Teddy Bridgewater to move forward with. That was insane. Bruce Aaron saying that, though, was hilarious. Update, breaking news. The Indianapolis 500,

normally in May here in Indianapolis has been moved to August that's a shame August by the way Teddy's 21 million same as what Cam Newton would have got paid yeah three years 63 21 million 18th ranked

in the NFL is 21 million so they're paying Teddy Bridgewater exactly what Cam Newton would have made next year. Literally just said. And if Drew Brees wouldn't have hurt his thumb last year, the market would not have been nearly of what it was for Teddy Bridgewater. He stepped in and played well when he got an opportunity.

He gained a lot. His stock rose a lot last season when he stepped in for Drew Brees and kept things on the rails and they kept winning. But if Drew doesn't get hurt, where does Teddy go? Does he get anywhere near this money? No way. No way. I bet you he re-signs with the Saints probably for a cheaper deal.

I mean, that's the league. That's what the league is. Whenever you're presented with an opportunity, if you capitalize on it, you'll get rewarded. And that's good for Teddy. But, man, it's weird how all the pieces have to fall in place that's what tom brady said uh to peyton manning he said i don't care if you're the first pick or pick 199 which he was if you get an opportunity don't waste it and that's how he's lived his entire life he told peyton manning and that's why tom brady's

he said don't waste it because you're not going to get another chance especially if you're the 199th pick if you're pick 199 buddy you're going to get about a half an opportunity. And if you don't make the absolute most of that, you're now pick one in the backyard football league. Get the fuck out. That's really how the NFL is. All right, let's put a good show. If that was on your mind, though, I know we're going to wrap up.

If that was on your mind, though, don't you think you may be, that may give me a little bit of anxiety if I was thinking about that. When I got my one, if I was a quarterback, especially the quarterback position, how tough would that be? If you knew, you knew like, hey, this is my chance. This is it. I will say this. As a kicker or punter, it really does feel as if.

You're right. In the first couple years when you go on the field it's like oh this could be the last one honestly this could be the last one I felt that way until my until I got franchise tagged basically all the way up until that point

I was like every punt could be it and they weren't all good by the way there was a couple where I probably should have got cut shout out Bill Pullian for having something else to do I guess i will fucking cut him next week once he tweets a picture of andrew luck naked we'll cut him after that i wasn't tweeting then please have a little respect i didn't start tweeting really until i got good really yeah i don't think you should talk until you're good i pay it's all relative though i think

some people may think they're good when they're not that great. Bingo. And that's the name of this show. McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. Hit that thing. Look good, feel good, feel good, play good. Play good, pay good, pay good, live good, live good, die good. All right, team.

I can't thank you enough for rocking with us through this entire thing. And we're all battling. We're all kicking the dog shit out of this coronavirus together. And we can't thank you enough for listening and watching and doing your absolute best to try and keep yourself distracted in the wild time that we're currently living. But remember, when you have the viewpoint that there are no problems, only situations,

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