The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 184 - Feel Good Friday With Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, And I's Coach, Clyde Christensen, Damien Woody, TJ Lang, & Legend, AJ Hawk.

Episode Date: April 3, 2020

On today's show, Pat welcomes in the former QB coach of Peyton Manning in Indianapolis, a man who has been coaching 40+ years, and the new Quarterbacks Coach for Tom Brady in Tampa Bay, Clyde Christensen. Pat and Clyde reconnect about his time in Indianapolis and what it was really like coaching Peyton Manning, he gives a couple of stories regarding Peyton Manning and Tom Brady spending time together that have never been heard before, talks about Tom Brady adapting to Bruce Arians' system, and chats about his time with Jameis Winston and how he thinks he'll bounce back stronger than ever (4:04-34:20). Next, on another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk, Pat and AJ welcome Super Bowl Champion, 2x Pro Bowler, AJ's former teammate in Green Bay, and 10 year NFL veteran, TJ Lang. The guys discuss what it's like trying to create an opportunity for yourself in the NFL as an offensive lineman and the moment TJ really had to make a decision in order to become great. TJ also chats about his recent burials on Twitter, what his time in Detroit with the Lions was like after leaving the Packers and his thoughts on Matt Patricia. TJ and AJ also tell Pat about what it was like hearing a pregame speech from Mike McCarthy and how it always got them ready to run through a wall, and everything else you could imagine in an incredible conversation (34:22-1:42:04). To close out the show, Pro Bowler and 2x Super Bowl Champion, Damien Woody FaceTimes in. Pat and Damien chat about his thoughts on Tom Brady going to Tampa Bay, what it was like being a teammate of Tom Brady, why he thinks Cam Newton hasn't been picked up by anybody yet and who he thinks makes the most sense going after him, his entrance into the TikTok game, and what he thinks about the idea that certain teams may rescind free agent offers if they can find a player in the draft and aren't able to get a player in for a physical or see them due to the coronavirus (1:42:06-2:04:20). Don't forget to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the opportunity to win some free merch, and as always, stay safe out there and try to enjoy the weekend as much as you possibly can. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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A man that was a coach, has been coaching football. Let me get this Wikipedia right. Since 1979. Jeez. Wait till you see him, though. Wait till you see this guy. He looks like he's like 31. He does.

He's incredible. The man is the quarterback coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was with Peyton Manning in the Indianapolis Colts for you know almost a decade at this point the guy's just a living legend everybody he talks to likes him if you enjoyed my red 18 story he was the reason that I was invited on that golf trip ladies and gentlemen coach Clyde Christian. Let's go, Clyde! Good to see you. Coach, the boys are pumped to hear you talk. I've gave you glowing reviews because that's all that you deserve. I appreciate it.

And, yeah, a decade and a half at Indy. Great years. Special years. And I look at it. I coached you, too. You were our emergency quarterback. So I list you as one of my accomplishments and extremely successful afterward. Exactly right.

Hey, Clyde. Because Peyton was too durable. You didn't get any of it. Let's talk about your time with the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning because this is an intriguing time here now with you being a quarterback coach with Tampa with Tom Brady. You're getting a chance now to work with both sides of one of the best rivalries in the history of sports. What made Peyton Manning either so good or so hard to coach?

Was he hard to coach, and how good, what made him so great? He was probably both. I think probably what made him hard to coach was why you love coaching him, and that's he made you a better coach. He was demanding. You know, you didn't walk into a meeting not prepared because that was the quickest way you didn't he wanted to be coached I think the misperception would be that these guys don't need coaching and don't want to be coached just want to do it their own way and and the great ones the Andrew Lux him

the Brad Johnson's the it looks like Brady's cut from the same cloth they want to be coached they want meetings prepared they want to they want find out, how do I get better? And that mentality to me made him hard to coach because you just, every time I remember walking in with the red zone plan and, you know, he'd look at it, maybe you changed the formation, kept some of the plays right, and he'd go, oh, I see you and Deb must have gone out to dinner last night, just kept the same stuff.

You know, no, we didn't use it last week and it's still good i would have liked to gone out to dinner with my wife too but you know i was working on you know and uh so that's what made him tough to coach but it also made what was what what was great about coaching him and uh you know he just it was 365 days a year probably almost every night at 9 45 he was going to call and he would have watched practice tape and then he'll have dinner with his wife and then his kids. And then, then he was going to go through the practice before it ever went before the players. And so you always had to be ready. You just always had to be ready. And, uh, you know, he still thinks I coach for him. I still

do about four hours of work a week for him. You know, I know, I hate to ask you this, but could you just do this one thing for me? And then six hours later, you know, you, you know he's still hey i know i hate to ask you this but could you just do this one thing for me and then six hours later you know you you know you're reviewing the detail show or you're you know you're making some cut up for his nephew you know and uh and uh so he he it doesn't it doesn't end like it hasn't ended so uh he it is a lot of fun and it was uh he he was great he was great to work with around four and uh you know and and but just had a desire to be great had a desire to be great and wanted wanted to see how you could help him do that okay so last night they aired on NBC Sports legendary game it was when Peyton came back right I mean that was the loudest Lucas Oil Stadium has

ever been I in my eyes that game game. It was an electric environment. And there was an entire segment there where they spotlighted you in the lower left corner, and then all of Peyton's highlights from as a Colt, and then Reggie Wayne in the lower right corner there, about all that you guys accomplished. And then I think they even started talking about the offense he was running in Denver.

And it seemed as if Peyton was running Peyton's offense, which was put together with you and Tom Moore and Bruce Aarons at the beginning of his career. It is like this offense that has been collected over Peyton's career that has become Peyton's offense, basically, that nobody else does. Omaha, Omaha, Apple, Apple. There's different route concepts that everybody comes in.

He was running that offense at Denver. Am I accurate in stating that? That's exactly right. I think when we went out looking for where he was going to sign in free agency, that was the number one prerequisite, that it had to keep most of the stuff the same. It wasn't a negative toward the people who didn't want to. Some people didn't want to. Some people did. In Denver, he took his playbook, how we did things, how we practiced, how he practiced. He'd been doing it a long time, extremely successfully. He knew the ins and outs.

You know, it was his car. He knew the engine. He'd pulled it apart many times and put it back together. He knew everything about it. And it was wise on Denver's part just to let him go. And he kind of taught the players. He taught the coaches. You know, I ended up, you know, talking a lot with Adam Gase,

who was the offensive coordinator at that time. And they just did a great job kind of integrating the coaches. He, you know, I ended up, you know, talking a lot with Adam Gase, who was the offensive coordinator at that time. And they just, they did a great job kind of integrating the thing. But it was really just Peyton and his playbook show up on the doorstep. And here's how we practice. Here's how we do things. And then they tweaked and they found some middle ground on it. But it was his offense. And that was one of the huge advantages.

Everyone talks about not developing quarterbacks nowadays. But these young quarterbacks have five offensive coordinators and three systems in the first five years. And the next thing you know, they get tagged a miss or a failure and just don't give guys a chance to develop sometimes. And Peyton, Tom Brady, same offense all those years. You get a chance to develop and get good at something. And I think that's part of our issue, that we just change stabs and offenses so fast

that some of these young quarterbacks, it's difficult. We're in an instant gratification society. So if you don't have success now, they're going to fire and turn over. They're going to change. I'll ask you about the offense. That's right. I'll ask you about Jameis. Obviously, you're with him last year, which could be falling into this category.

We'll talk about that later. But I want to get back to the Peyton Manning taking his playbook out to denver he had a lot of success at denver it seemed like that that place was able to uh transition into the peyton manning style environment culture offense he broke records everyone super bowls there had a lot of success now you're getting a guy that's been in the same offense for 20 years coming down to tampa there's no otas right we're assuming there's gonna be no ot guy that's been in the same offense for 20 years coming down to Tampa. There's no OTAs, right? We're assuming there's going to be no OTAs. That's right.

What are you guys doing with Tom? Is Tom going to have some influence on the offense? BA's offensive style obviously is its own thing. Is it going to be a meshing, a gelling? And how will you each other teach each other that? Like how will that happen in this environment? Yeah, one of the things we did while we were in the process of evaluating what was was ba just said hey that you know rather than teaching 21 guys the new england offense we're going to teach one guy our offense so the foundation will be bruce arians's offense

and uh and then what we think will happen which happens with all these great ones is tom brady will come in and make it better he'll'll see some things. He'll tweak it. He'll have a few favorite things. I'm now, I just spent the morning watching his empty things, and, you know, you'll find what does he do well, what's he really comfortable with. So it'll be a mesh of the things, but the foundation, how you call formations, how you do things,

will stay Coach Arians' offense. And that was part of the negotiation, hey, that that was one of the things that was non-negotiable as far as the guys we were looking at that we we weren't going to change the offense we've been here one year we just got this thing put in you know guys have just learned it and uh and and then so so tom will you know and he's been he's been outstanding hey just tell me what you want to do that's that's been one of the really impressive things about it just tell me what you want to do i'm going to one of the really impressive things about it. Just tell me what you want to do. I'm going to learn it.

We're going to do it. And I'll give you – if you want my ideas, I'll give them to you, which we obviously do. What number doesn't matter to me, you know, and even, you know, just that's what's been extremely impressive, which for guys like me and you is hard, you know. I had never met Tom Brady. All those times we played him and, you know, I came home and I said,

you know, I think everyone's, you know, Darth Vader and wears black. And he found, you know, meet him and he's a nice guy and humble. And, you know, I'm having to reprogram my grandkids and kids. They've all been taught to kind of hate anything New England. So we're going to have to watch our tongue a little bit, not let anything slip out of there. But, you know, no, he has been tremendous as far as just his attitude. He just wants to just give me a jersey.

It doesn't matter what number is on it. Give me some offense, and let's go try and win games. Whenever I mention your name for the first time, I think it was last week or a couple weeks ago, and I said, if Tom Brady ends up at Tampa, let's assume that Peyton and Tom, whose friendship has buddened, right? They're golfing in Jim Nance's backyard. I'm not sure there's too many people that can relate to each other better than Peyton and Tom, whose friendship has budded, right? They're golfing in Jim Nance's backyard. I'm not sure there's too many people that can relate to each other better than Peyton and Tom.

There's not a lot of people up in that rarefied area. I guess Tiger Woods is up there. There's other people that are up there. And I said, Clyde Christensen was this gem of a man that came into the Indianapolis Colts life, my life, and into Peyton Manning's life. I would assume whenever Tom was speaking about the places that he could end up at, he'd reach out to Peyton because Peyton had to experience this exact same thing. Now, great, and Peyton was cut. Tom was just kind of pushed out by the Patriots.

I mean, we have a Patriot fan in here, and it's unbelievable how quick he's turned on Tom. He's like your grandkids used to be now, all of a sudden, just as soon as he gets out. But I assume that Peytonton i don't know did you and peyton talk about a potential relationship with tom or do you think peyton just kind of said like hey these are a couple of guys i know there and did that conversation happen do you know if uh you know what the funny thing in free agency it was i never talked to tom i didn't talk to him one time because it was illegal to do so and uh and uh especially with new england they keep a pretty close tap on those phones so even i was scared to uh to cheat even in the in a little bit you know and uh had

a picture of me having to destroy my phones or something out in the pool there or something so i did not i'd never met him i'd never talked to him and uh but i do think you know i'd bounce stuff off peyton and i'm sure they talked and I think Tom had an interest in this place right from the get-go for a lot of reasons. I really felt from the beginning that the thing was going to happen. Of course, it was exciting for me just to get a chance to coach him and learn from him. Those two guys, I think, have a unique relationship. I remember one year, we always would have a project for Peyton. And here you go.

Here's a little known fact. So the first time I met him, I brought out a file, and I started reading all the stuff about his offense. He goes, where'd you get that? I go, you know, so Peyton, we would have a project. So one year Peyton's project was, hey, bring Brady down to Chattanooga, sit on the lake, work out, hey, bring Brady down to Chattanooga, sit on the lake, work out, throw, exchange ideas.

He's the one guy who really at this point in his career can understand what you go through. It was post-30. And they had a little one-on-one down there where they'd throw all morning, lift weights, run, go hit the golf ball, come sit and just talk about everything from how do I handle the media to how do I handle bear defense. And I had all these pages of notes. I started reading them off and talking about it. The chat knew. Oh, yeah, of course I knew about, you know, but how they kept the thing secret. No one ever heard about it. It was unbelievable. But we just and those two guys went hard for 48 hours and just exchanged ideas.

But that's the level of respect, and that's how those guys approached things. And Tom said, I've got to pull out those notes. I've got so many things from Peyton, too. But it was everything from how do I train now that maybe I'm not in my 20s anymore to how do we work one-on-ones, how do we set up drills, how do we handle double-A gap walk-ups, and all those things. It was an unbelievable thing. It was so secret that I had all those notes, and you're dying because you want to share it because it's so interesting that it happened, and you can't say anything to anybody.

So I pulled those out. That was the first thing I said. I know a little bit more than you think I know about Gino. I had these whatever 12 pages of notes on everything he believed about everything, you know, and how they did things. And so, but those, just the story to just show how those two guys think and how they're wired

is rare and really unique. The, it came out on that NFL All 100 team, the 100-year team or whatever, the all-time team, that Tom Brady, whenever he team the 100 year team or whatever the all-time team that tom brady whenever he was named to the team he came in he spoke obviously with uh rich eisen and belichick who won an emmy for that belichick won an emmy by the way but um he said that there was a formation or something that the colts always used to run yeah and it actually created gronk's career basically i guess a guard would pull so everybody

thought it was a run instead he would stay in the backfield though and then the tight end would just leak right up the seam and basically it's Gronk's entire career was prefaced off of this thing that he learned from Peyton at this entire and then they showed a highlight of Gronk scoring a touchdown against us and with that exact highlight I was like he, damn. He said that. I didn't really realize it. I didn't see it, but it was 6'10 Jose. Dice right 6'10 Jose. And that happened at that same place, sitting on the side of the lake and probably having a fluid or two and just talking and exchanging some of their ideas.

But he said the same thing. He said it was the best play they had for Gronk. And you saw Dallas Clark catch a trillion of them, right, ripping up the middle of two deep and, you know, seams on three deep and off a good play-action fake with a guard pulling. And very few quarterbacks can do it because you're exposed. You know, you're releasing four guys off of a turn-your-back play-action fake. And, you know, you've got to be pretty special to be able to turn your back,

flip around, hit someone up the seam, and understand where all the defensive players are. But, you know, obviously those two guys being the best in the business, you know, were able to do that. hit someone up the seam and understand where all the defensive defensive players are but uh you know obviously those two guys being the best in the business you know were able to do that but at 610 dice right 610 jose you know so that yeah they they got a lot of mileage out of the thing as did we uh so when jason light talked on get up about they think tom brady's arm is at a perfect arm for this br Arians offense. And then there's stats that back that up.

For passes 20 yards down the field or more in a tight window, he and Jameis had the highest QBR in the entire league, tied for the highest QBR in the league. I think the narrative is that Tom Brady can't sling it anymore because he's older. What have you seen on film, and is that all a bunch of BS? Yeah, so it was fun to do, you know, free agency this year. The first guy I wrote, it was in alphabetical order, so I'm writing up Tom Brady in free agency like you do every year,

you know, and answering the questions. Do you think he can be a starter in the NFL? Can he start for us? You know, is he a leader? You know, and I really thought it was candid. I thought it was a setup. I really thought it was a setup. You know, is he a leader?

Do you think he's a leader? But we did him like everyone else, and so I watched every throw of his for four years and couldn't see any drop-off whatsoever. Anyone who says that he can't, just as talking, they haven't watched the film, that he makes every throw. Now, some years they had fast guys, Moss, and they threw that ball up the field. Some years they didn't. This year they didn't, and they threw more checkdowns and stuff but every time he got his opportunity

that ball went up top and and usually extremely successfully and uh i think that narrative is dead off base and if i thought that we we probably wouldn't have gone after him you know that he is playing at an extremely high level uh He took his physical. They said his joints are like that of a 30-year-old man. Avocado ice cream. He takes care of himself, yeah, unlike myself. And you look like you maybe put on a few pounds since I saw you last. I ate 4,000 calories at McDonald's yesterday for a challenge. I'm in a bad spot right now, Coach.

I am too. I'm with you. That's why I'm glad I'm just the head shot here. But, yeah, he takes such great care of himself. But there is nothing on the film that shows that he's falling off accuracy-wise, arm strength-wise. No one wants – everyone says, well, he doesn't want to get hit. Well, yeah, I don't know the quarterback who really wants to get hit.

He has an elite clock like Peyton. quarterback who really wants to get hit. He has an elite clock like Peyton. He can assess how long he has to throw that thing to the hundredths of a second like nobody else. Peyton just knew how long he could hold it, hold it as long as he could, and then he just let it go. And it might have to be a throwaway. It may be a great throw, but they just have such an elite clock. He has the same clock for, hey, I know that if we don't block the defensive end i could hold that ball for 1.95 seconds before i have to throw it and then if no one's opening that point they do a great job throwing it away they're hard to sack and i think that that's going to be a great asset for us that's that's you know that he's elite that way but your original question

i saw no drop off on arm strength no inability to make any throw that needed to be made. And I felt the same about Rivers. I thought the same thing about Rivers. I expected to see a drop-off, and there wasn't. There really wasn't. Those guys are still playing at a high level. Good for you guys. It is alleged that the Tom Brady team was potentially seeing

if there was an opportunity with the Colts, and the Colts said, no, we're moving on with Phillip Rivers. So not only did the Niners allegedly say, no, we have nots and the Colts said no we're moving on with Philip Rivers so not only did the Niners allegedly say uh now we have no interest the Colts said no interest a lot of teams said they have no interest in Tom Brady I think you're getting a guy who might be older obviously but he eats that avocado ice cream he's in a good shape he knows the game better than anybody else in the league right now and he's got some chips on his shoulder like he was pick 199 again I couldn't even fathom the guy that's about to arrive in your locker room no he was fun to watch and you could see a couple of times his eyes glazed he's serious about it you know there's no talk about rebuilding

or coasting in on his career like this sucker is going to come in here it's going to be great for our city it's going to be great for our building that's the thing about you mentioned payton going to denver and person after person has told me the same thing. When Peyton walked into Denver, the cafeteria, the equipment room, you've seen it, practices, coaches, head coaches, GMs. I've seen him call Mr. Ursa, you know, and say, Hey, this isn't right. We got to get this fixed, you know? And, and so those guys just make everything better. And he's going to come in here and in a team oriented way, he's going to make everything.

He's going to raise everyone's level. I would say if you're, if you're a receiver and you saw, we signed Tom Brady, you probably didn't skip your workout. A couple of weeks ago when we signed, right. That he just has that effect.

It's going to have that effect on the whole, on the whole bunch of them. First thing he asked for was everybody's phone number. You know, that, you know, I just think that this is going to be great for Tampa. It's going to be great for us.

It's going to be great for our locker room, as you've seen. I said that. I think it's going to be great. It's going to be a huge advantage in this offseason because if you don't have a leader at quarterback, those guys are going to have to drive the whole thing. As of right now, we can't meet with those guys. We can't have anybody in.

He's going to have have having a Drew Brees or somebody like that who organizes and knows how to do it and knows how to reach people and get people better. There's going to be a huge premium on those guys this year because no offseason where there's no coaches, that quarterback has got to be your offensive coordinator

and your head coach. He's got to run the whole thing and get it organized. The ones who have great ones are going to be ahead of the game this year. said a couple weeks ago that when tom brady was going into free agent maybe a month ago i said every team that isn't sold on their quarterback is going to want tom in their building because he makes everybody better i literally said that i said i became a better punter by watching how peyton manning worked like that just like you said like you think any wide receivers are skipping workouts this offseason in Tampa Bay maybe whenever they could have other years been like yeah I'm gonna go play some video games I'm gonna take today off I'm just gonna make

it a lifting day instead of a route running day now that you got Tom Brady you're like all right uh he's not missing a workout so I probably should have missed a workout or I'm gonna get left behind that is that what happens when you bring somebody with greatness around. That is just – it's osmosis almost. No question. I think you're exactly right, and I see it already. I see it already. I got my little office set up in here. Watching all New England's empty thing.

All coaches are sitting in their makeshift offices in their homes right now and Zoom meetings, and everyone's good it's kind of a it's funny times but he made he he he does he may he makes you want to be better you know that you know he's coming in here you want how do we get you know my challenge is how do we get tom brady better how do we get him three percent better you know i mean how do we that was always that was the fun thing like that that was has been the great thing for me is you know you have you you have Peyton who's kind of just rolling up, starting to roll on his career.

And then, you know, and then all of a sudden then it's Andrew who's, you know, fresh and a rookie. And now this guy, you know, this guy who has 20 seasons under his belt already. And, you know, Hey, but it's still the same challenge for a coach. How do I get them better? You know, how did there was a challenge? How do we get, you know, you led the league in red zone offense for five. How do we get better in the red zone?

Like those are the challenges, and that's one of the fun things about coaching this position in this league and the guys who we've had come across is, you know, that's a hard work. It's easy to improve, you know, a 2-14 team. That's easy to find improvements there. But how do you improve the Tom Brady's of the world? How do you improve the Andrewrew lux of the world how do you improve you know the new england patriots of the world the teams that have won so well and i think that's always a challenge not to lose your edge not only not to lose your edge but how do we keep challenging them and pushing them last year

um you had jamis winston jamis incredibly talented player now Bruce Arians said in an interview he said this is a very wild offseason basically we would have re-signed Jameis if Tom Brady wasn't available I mean Tom Brady is the guy basically he said and also Teddy Bridgewater was also a free agent so there was a decision that was gonna have to be made there and then Jameis Winston everybody talks about how Jameis threw 30 interceptions last year, and then that's why no franchise is willing to give him this long-term deal because you can't win games sustainably in the NFL if you turn over the ball and everybody's scared. But your point was in the very beginning of this thing is

if you have a new offensive coordinator every year and you don't get comfortable, how do you ever find that time to get comfortable? Do you think Jameis will find a place, get comfortable, and become an elite quarterback in this league, or do you think it's going will find a place, get comfortable, and become an elite quarterback in this league? Or do you think it's going to be difficult at this point? I do. I think he's going to become an elite quarterback. He works. It was a shock to me. I had never met him either, but he is a humble. He works every bit as hard as Peyton and Andrew did. I mean, he works.

This guy overworks, probably overtrains is probably one of his problems. But I really think it's going to click. And I do think he is, you know, hopefully he lands in exactly the right place. I trust God that he'll get to the right place. And, you know, same thing. This is not a fun league. It's not fun to be the quarterback on a losing team, right? That is not fun, and especially to be the first pick in the draft.

And, you know, the city thinks you're going to turn the whole franchise around, and it just doesn't happen quite that way. So I really think for him, he's grown as a man. I am fired up for him. I love Jameis Winston. I loved every minute working with Jameis Winston. I really believe he's going to get the right chance at the right place, and then all of a sudden, maybe like Ryan Tannehill,

that it may take backing up for it. You know, who knows what the scenario will be, but he will rise to the top. I think he's a starting upper echelon quarterback in this NFL, and I do think he's going to get these interceptions under control a little bit. In some ways, for the first – like I feel like I failed him a little bit. As a coach, you know, you take that personally. You know, hey, I didn't – whatever, I didn't get it done. I didn't help this kid.

This kid's better than 30 interceptions, and we didn't get that done, and that I'll have to live with, you know. But I really do. He is a great kid, and I do think he's going to, I think his career is long ways from over. I think it's all ahead of him. I think the good stuff is all ahead of him, and some of his were self-inflicted, he would tell you, early in his career.

But he's maturing. He got married last Friday and married his high school sweetheart. And, you know, he is off and running. I really believe that with all my heart that he's going to be really a good player. Those bear crawls look terrible. But I hope you're – They did look terrible, especially for a guy who had a little separated shoulder back in his past but uh like i said you know it's hard to tell these guys

sometimes but i really do and and don't you know he threw for 5 000 yards which you look at that list and it's about six of the greatest players in the history of the position who have done that like it's not his good was really good you got to change 15 plays and you're going to have a heck of a quarterback on your hands i wish that that would happen because he would begin broken off but instead now we have tom brady in tampa and another massive story that you have history with i think watching that game last night and this could have been me like i don't know just kind of thinking over it because of how his retirement happened and when his retirement happened. Andrew Luck was a special football player.

That game last night against Denver, it was a Andrew Luck, like basically picture of, hey, here's a kid that has been touted as John Elway basically since his sophomore year of high school. Then he goes to college, does everything right, becomes the number one pick, takes over for Peyton Manning in a city that Peyton Manning brought football to basically handled it with grace by the way competitiveness I think he was too nice of a person that's neither here nor there I think he should have held a little bit more people's feet to the fire in around him I think that is something that Andrew Luck would even admit that he did but on the field and I kind of took it for

granted I think I got to witness some real greatness from that kid, him retiring out of nowhere. What was that like for you to see? How did those conversations go amongst you and your coaching friends that obviously know Andrew Luck very well? And what do you think Andrew Luck's future is like? I was in shock. And every once in a while, everyone like you, right, for a couple of years before, I'm not doing this for a long time.

I'm going, ah, relax. And then all of a sudden you did the same thing. You retired at the peak of your career, as did Andrew. But great player, great human being. Talked to him last week. And, you know, one of the great things about this profession is just like this. You know, I look forward to this. Just seeing you get reconnected. great things about this profession is just like this you know i look forward to this just see you

by the way connected and you know but andrew to see him now as a husband and a father and you know last year went out and saw peyton's twins playing in a little playoff coaches pitch baseball game i mean that's where you get the charge like the football is the football but but seeing guys grow up and staying connected and the relationships that come from this thing, it was pretty darn special. And Andrew was that guy. Andrew, in my mind, could have been as good as anybody. He was such a good athlete, deceivingly good athlete.

He was an elite worker. He was obviously brilliant. And I think every year I just would be shocked that he'd do something that would shock me brilliance-wise. We played up in New Jersey, and it was a new york marathon and we were going up with a bunch of guys in the in the orange outfits who had run the new york marathon they were speaking in a language i didn't know and it was me and andrew just kind of cowering in the back checking into the hotel and next thing you know he's engaged in in talking with all these runners in a different language which i didn't even know what the language was they all get off i i look and i what what just happened you know i do i speak a little i speak a little french you know and uh

i forget if it was french but yes yeah i do speak but he was speaking fluently i go how many languages do you speak oh not you know barely english you know he just he almost was so modest he didn't want anyone to know how smart he was but he he would he was a brilliant guy and and then I think he would he was just a unique leader he was a lot like Dungy that people just followed him people followed him he didn't have to scream yell cuss you know people just followed him and uh and uh you know you saw that he had a command of the locker room that people just played hard for him because you knew how hard he had prepared and and then that's a huge part of it I always say that in NFL, it's a lot more like the coaches

and players are working together as opposed to in college and high school where the coaches are ultimately, we're smarter than you, we've been around this longer. But when it gets to the NFL, it's very much, hey, we're in this together. Like, yes, you guys are setting the schedule and the game plan and stuff like that, but if we really want to be a cohesive unit, and I think I've got a chance to see a great couple great couple teams and i got a chance to see some bad teams and i think the biggest difference was not only the camaraderie in the locker room but amongst

the coaches as well and everybody kind of being on the same page that coaching staff you guys have down in tampa is an og crew i mean you bring in todd bowles in there too that defense goes from 32 to 5 you got byron left which is kind of the young guy the whole thing tom moore is he still coaching down there tom moore tom moore is still coaching we had to run him out of the office the other day but with this virus thing he's in there watching some college quarterbacks for me and i go what are you doing you're a high-risk guy get home you know he's in there watching no one's in there and he's just sitting there watching you know some guy from princeton or something and i going, what are you doing right now?

You know, what are you doing? But he is still going at it and still loves it. Is this a swan song? Hey, is it? We have nine guys who – I worked for Bruce Arians in 82 at Temple, and we have nine guys on our staff that either worked or played on that 82 team at Temple. So there's an unbelievable comfort.

And then it just shows a little bit about Arians. And he just wants his guys around him. And he puts a premium on that and on loyalty. And for everyone to just rally and come back and want to coach with him just shows a little bit. But we have a great staff and a really comfortable atmosphere. I think the players really like it. I really think you're going to see us make some big jumps.

I was here the first time with Dungy, and it was a dismal franchise. And, of course, it took off. And Dungy, in those six years, made it elite. And, you know, when we got there, I remember everyone saying, hey, if you ever went to the playoffs, they haven't been in 25 years, if you ever go to the playoffs, you can stay here forever. And then all of a sudden, after our fifth year, we lose a championship game to St. Louis.

Remember that great game? They go, hey, if you don't win it next year, we're going to have to make sure we've got someone who can take us to the, you know, all the way. And next thing you know, we're fighting for our lives, and then they run us out of there after a nine-win season. I don't want to run you out of here, but I've got to get to a break. Hard out here.

I can't thank you enough, Coach. You're the absolute best. Good luck next year. Keep in touch please it's been great seeing you and you're still on my board you owe me 20. i love that i miss you all right i miss you too coach have a great one ladies and gentlemen clyde christiansen you're the best one of the best humans of all time hello and welcome to thakafi in hawk sports talk joining us can you see me yeah you look amazing you look absolutely amazing uh super bowl champion ladies and gentlemen tj wayne nice stogie there age looks good hey thanks good to good to see you teach a heck of a shirt that thing looks amazing you know i'm really looking forward to summer so the miami hat has nothing to do with miami it's just uh i'm the britney spears like level of craziness i hit about an eight and shaved my

head for the first time ever so i'm not uh super confident in it yet but you know we're gonna we're gonna sport a hat for a little while hey that's a good round head you have there, TJ. I think you should be proud of that. What's in the cup there? You got a little whiskey on the rocks there, a little iced tea? Yeah, a little whiskey ginger, man. It's Friday, you know, so why not? It's Thursday, but I absolutely respect that.

Oh, shit. Where do you live? You live in Detroit? Yeah, you're right. You live in Detroit full-time? I do. Beautiful Detroit, man. It's a great time up here right now,

minus the 8,000 cases of coronavirus that we have. But yeah, Metro Detroit, man. Midwest boy all my life. Loving life, buddy. Stuck inside. It's going great. I heard when you went to the Packers, I heard when you went to the Packers,

you like to have a good time. Then from a friend of mine, I heard you like to have a good time. You're like a third-round draft pick to the Packers, you like to have a good time. Then from a friend of mine, I heard you like to have a good time. You're like a third-round draft pick to the Packers. Fourth. Fourth-round draft pick to the Packers. You like to party a little bit. You like to throw back some tall boys with the boys. You like to have a blast.

And then not did you stop doing that, but somehow you pivoted into becoming this incredibly, you know, good at moving other humans guy, offensive lineman staple for the Packers up there. What was that moment? What was it like going to the Packers, becoming an NFL player, and having to move grown-ass men instead of college kids? I got to tell you, I think being drafted to Green Bay for me was a blessing only because I got to go into a group of guys on the offensive line that were veteran.

A lot of guys that AJ played with, Palsher, Scott Wells, Chad Clifton, where those guys had they proved themselves for a number of years. I knew I wasn't going to come in and start, which kind of led me down the path, which you so thankfully mentioned that I was a pretty heavy drinker early on which is true but thanks for ruining my image anyways it was a good situation for me just because I got to sit and kind of watch those guys you know I got to watch them work I got to watch them kind of teach me how to be a professional and 2011 was my third year going into that year we all all remember the lockout. We had just won the Super Bowl and kind of sitting at home all year knowing that we had just lost Darren College,

our starting left guard to free agency to Arizona. That was the one spot that was open on the line that year. And I kind of told myself, this might be my last chance, you know, getting a back for forever in the league because it's what you're going to have to prove yourself. And that's kind of when my mike buddy johnson kind of sat me down we had a long chat about um taking things more serious and focusing and trying to be more of a professional and uh went into training camp that year with just a big chip on the shoulder and uh won the starting left guard

spot and was lucky enough to to start my last six years in green bay let's go yeah hey that's a good moment hey that's kind of a cool moment when you have the conversation with yourself like hey you know what i'm gonna be worth i'm gonna be worth the fuck here i'm gonna go i had to have that conversation where i was like you know what i'm gonna stop like you know maybe self-sabotaging myself where uh from being the person that i could be and making that decision that i might as well try to be and making that decision that I might as well try to be great at this thing. That's a real conversation that you have to have with yourself. And it's kind of a cool moment. No, it definitely is. And I think the one

bigger part, too, was my girlfriend at the time we had been dating for about a year and she ended up getting pregnant around that same summer. So not only was it me, I'm just kind of looking after I've got a family now that I've got to start. The biggest thing for me, though, was when Josh and I were talking, and he's like, hey, buddy, you know, we need you, man. We need you to – there's a spot there at left guard. We need you to step up. We need you to take it.

You've got to chill kind of on going out. In my mind, it didn't really register because I'm like, dude, you're by my side 90% of the time. We're drinking, bro. But he had already been an established starter, you know, on the team and was just kind of coming up into those Pro Bowl years for him. So I kind of, I had to understand the difference between you're already there, man. That's where I'm trying to get. I'm trying to get to your level and compete with you and the other guys. So that conversation I had with him meant much more than it did with the

numerous conversations I had with my coaching staff. Because a couple of them actually lived in the same building as me my first two years when I was partying, which come to find out, they didn't really enjoy that very much. Green Bay, big city too. I'm sure they didn't see out and about. That's a good thing about Green Bay. It's a lot of places to go to, I'd assume.

It's a great town for a young 21- 21 year old single guy right age oh yeah i mean i think that's some guys would be shell-shocked i think when they would come into to green bay if they say they grew up in some like big city area they went to a big time college and they come to green bay like all right now what where do we go we do? Like, I understand some guys going crazy a little bit. Yeah, no, I think the best advice I got when I was a young guy was, and this didn't come from AJ, I can promise you that. But I was a single guy, you know, and it was such a small town that you start noticing every time you go out, you just start seeing the same people and the same people.

And somebody sat me down and they said, buddy, if you find a good-looking chick, you know, there's probably a 50% chance that, you know, a couple of guys on the team have already gotten to it, so be careful. And I took that to heart and never ended up getting serious with a local chick, which was good. I got to make sure my wife isn't listening right now.

Sorry, man. Sorry we got to this point so quick. AJ, by the way, TJ, you're on a sponsored show right now, by the way. No big deal. No big deal. No big deal. AJ read an ad read. Perfect.

Yeah, right before you came on, AJ sold some Raycon RayJ headphones. I saw that. Those things look awesome. Yeah, Raycon earbuds, Pat. If you read the copy, earbuds, they strictly want them being called earbuds. Listen, I didn't get a copy i sent it to you i didn't know that i thought it's fine that's fine you don't have to read what you send away i want to get back to tj tj so after a long time in green bay you went to uh detroit

and matt patricia had taken over as the head coach what was that transition like i know a lot of belichick disciples go around i don't know if they're they really are trying to create like a little mini Patriots culture, but I guess what was it like, especially early on in Detroit? I think that was the first time in my career where I kind of went through a full-blown culture change. You know, obviously in Green Bay there, we kind of had what we had. We knew we were good every single year and it was just a matter of getting that one game better. You know, when I came to Detroit the first year, we had Jim Caldwell. He was a great coach, great guy.

Everybody loved him, a true players coach. And then 2018 when he came in was the first time where it's like you started to see some trades. You started to see some guys get released that were good players. And it kind of was a wake-up call for everybody saying, you know, this is a no BS type crew, man. You know, they're going to come in. They want to run things their way. They want the leaders on the team to be the same and kind of have the same message. We don't want to have any stranglers out there that are doing their own thing in the locker room and dividing the team in any ways, which, you know, I didn't have a problem with.

It's just a different, you know, strategy than some other guys. It was difficult, I would say, being a 10-year vet at that time. The expectations in practice and training camp, every single day was full pads. Every single day, you're conditioning after practice. As a 10-tier guy, as a 32-year-old guy, I was like, dude, I'm just trying to stay healthy for Sunday, you know? So I had a couple conversations with coach Patricia on the side it turns out I like him a lot he's a really good dude it just was a feel of kind of that patriot this is more of a job and more of a business rather than let's go out there and have fun and let's go out there and just enjoy you know being with each

other and enjoy practicing and enjoying the grind I think a lot of the fun started to leave right about that time he came in, whether it was, you know, his, his change of philosophy or just kind of my body breaking down. That was the first year for me where football actually felt like a job and I didn't have as much fun as I was used to. He said there was a lot of rumors and reports and I would assume doing conditioning after every single practice is insane at training camp. Is that why the Patriots were 20 years or so good?

They were just running sprints after every single training camp? That's insane to me. I would have quit earlier. I would have retired younger if that was happening. But there's a lot of reports coming out of Detroit there. Matt Patricia lost the locker room. And then it was like there was too much practice on technique. And guys hated it and stuff like that.

That stuff all kind of seems like if you had done something a certain way for your entire career and then he comes in and flips it right on its head, much like with you, it's like, well, this is not what you do. And then you don't have success doing that. It's hard to get people to buy in when you don't have success. Like the Patriots, AJ and I talk about this all the time. When you have the best player on earth, Tom Brady, Brady taking a pay cut it's easier for them to get everybody else to take a pay cut at their position like hey we're gonna win when you got Tom Brady

running sprints after every single practice it's easier to tell everybody else to do it and they win so you can basically tell him in Detroit you guys they weren't winning it's still not really winning in this entire you know culture's being changed i'll be excited to see how it pans out long term if they continue to give him a chance because this year it's like a win or lose win or get fired type situation i think for him yeah no doubt about it i think you hit it on the head man i think going through training camp and off-season program um it was a lot more difficult than we were all used to uh but the one thing that we kept telling ourselves and trying to tell to the younger guys and you know expand the guys, man, it's going to pay off come the season. You

know, we're going to be in better shape. We're going to start winning these games. It's going to it's going to be it's going to be a good tradeoff because if this sucks in training camp and it's this hard and the days are so long and whatever, it's going to pay off and we're going to win. And then we go out week one against the Jets on Monday Night Football and absolutely get throttled. And I think from that point was kind of like wow not only are we getting killed but we're you know we're also getting beat up every day in practice in the meeting rooms and it's like holy hell man this this has got to stop and um i think we saw a change you know which the record and the score didn't really show it but halfway through that year i

think coach patricia started being more himself a little bit, which was good because that's what the guys want, you know, especially the older guys. You can't BS the older guys. They've been around long enough. They've seen everything. Guys respect you the most when you're just yourself, you know, and you're just a good guy to be around.

And I saw a change in the team where we didn't really start winning, you know, a whole lot more games. But the guys started buying in, man, and the guys were starting to lay it out on the line. And the one thing that I would always ask guys on the opposing team after we played, you know, you chat a little bit, you BS a little bit. They'd say, man, you guys are a tough team. You guys are a tough team. And I think that's one characteristic that you can definitely build off of. So I'm a coach for Trisha fan. I love the guy. I love Bob Quinn. I've had a good relationship with both those guys, and I wish them nothing but the success,

especially this year with what, you know, ownership has kind of come out about you guys got to win this year. So it'll be an interesting draft, and hopefully leading up to the season, I think they all know what's going on and what the expectations are. Teej, what was that first team meeting like when Patricia came in? Was it well-known, like, okay, there's a new sheriff in town? Kind of.

You know, I think it was more – it wasn't like laying down the law, hey, you guys have done this and that's gone. You know, we're bringing in this. We're doing this. It was more of – and I don't want to say bragging because Coach Patricia is like the last dude who would ever brag about anything he's done. But it was more of this kind of big stature, you know,

wow, this is the guy who's won so many Super Bowls and this is the guy who's coached so many good players. Wow, you know, he's got a good reputation behind him. And then you start hearing the, I've done this, you know, we were at the Super Bowl last year, we were this, this it's kind of like okay that's great you know but how can you help us you know we're all in this together now so I think at the beginning there and we talked to coach about this a little bit we needed to be we need to be singular man we can't have the coaches and the players trying to you know prove each other wrong and prove each other different

we got to be on the same team so I think there was a little hiccup there really early on. But from my recollection, I don't think it lasted much more than just a couple days. I think once we kind of got everything off our chest as the leadership committee, the coach, I think it seemed like everybody was on the same page going forward. We just unfortunately didn't win many games that year. Him having a leadership committee is at least good. At least he wanted to kind of hear what was happening potentially. Not every team has a leadership committee.

I think that's a step in direction. And I think along your lines, we've met Matt Patricia now on numerous occasions. He's been on our shows. We've been in his office. I am a massive fan of the guy, right, like of the guy. Like Matt Patricia's guy, I would like to hammer you know some beers with if he ever smoked vitamins i'd like to smoke vitamins with matt patricia like i i think that is a guy like do that it just it seems like these patriot coaches wherever they leave for whatever

reason belichick's coaching tree is not a very successful one i mean it's just it's how because bill o'brien successful right he's got his team to the playoffs last year but but i mean now we're trading away deandre hopkins for a second round pick in last year but but i mean now we're trading away deandre hopkins for a second round pick in a laundry basket so i mean there's a lot of things but it is it's hard i think it's a lot harder than people imagine to come in and change a culture overnight and then just expect people to buy in if you have no resume though of proving success with that so i hope they have success let's move move forward. Let's go back to the Green Bay Packers. You won a Super Bowl at Green Bay, yeah?

I did, yeah. 2011 was my second year. I wasn't a starter at the time, so I kind of rode the backs of A.J. and Clay and Aaron Rodgers and those guys. Hey, that's literally what punters do their entire career. So you're not rubbing anything off. That time at Green Bay with Aaron,

that dude has such an interesting reputation with people. He's the most talented quarterback probably to ever come into the NFL. Now granted, Patrick Mahomes is another Aaron Rodgers. I mean, Aaron was doing a lot of stuff that Patrick Mahomes was doing, but it just wasn't as grand because social media wasn't as huge whenever Aaron got in. I mean, Aaron is an incredibly talented talented person what was he like to be around how did he help you become a better player and what is the misconception that people don't

understand about Aaron Rodgers you think well I think he helped me become a better player because he was always going to be perfect you know and the guy would have a great game and have one bad throw in the first quarter and that's all I talked about for a while. He wanted that one playback. I was like, dude, you played great. But I think that's a condition of worst-tribe reflection. And that wore off on me. I think it was very contagious with a lot of other guys on the team was having four or five bad plays wasn't good enough.

It just simply wasn't good enough. That's going to be the one thing to think about. So I think for me, that was always my biggest fear, playing with guys like Aaron and H.J. and the older guys who were so good, was I didn't want to let these guys down. You know, I wasn't afraid because I'm going against freaks and Sue and Justin Smith and just these animals across from me. I know I'm going to have a couple bad plays,

but if I can consistently, you know, win the battles for the majority of the game, I'm, that's a good game for me, man. I'm going to strive to be perfect. And although I think everybody understands it's never going to happen, if you strive for it, at least you're going to find that bit of consistency, which is definitely a lesson that I learned from Aaron and a bunch of other vets we had on the on those teams um misconception about him I think he's just a private guy you know I just it doesn't seem like he's really comfortable with the whole I'm not going to say not comfortable but he would I think he would rather choose to live his life kind of by his own and not you know kind of be in the spotlight 24-7 which unfortunately

comes with the territory of being a superstar NFL quarterback I think for me something young as a young guy learned was it always felt like he never liked me you know it always felt like he kind of was always thinking that I wanted something from him it's like dude man I just want to find like some bros up here you know I think he's just that type of guy. And honestly, I think playing with Matthew Stafford for two years was kind of the same guy. He wants to kind of just live his life and is sort of, you know, doesn't really relish that opportunity to be in the spotlight 24-7. So I think with Aaron, I mean, he's a guy where, you know,

you could go two months without talking to him, and then for the next two days you're just, you know, calling back back and forth texting back and forth i think uh it just kind of comes with the territory but he's a guy i think he definitely cares about um all of his teammates and he he seems like he's going to be definitely a friend for life what about mike mccarthy you played for mike obviously and now he went down to dallas I guess, what kind of coach would you describe Coach McCarthy other than his strong Pittsburgh roots? And Pat is a Pittsburgh guy.

He loves being a yinzer. Coach McCarthy loves the same. Do you think he has similar success down in Dallas? I think he does, only because Just fucking house that drink. I mean, slaughterhouse that drink right there. How do you know Mike McCarthy's from Pittsburgh? Because he tells you.

That's why. I love Mike. I think he's set up for success in Dallas. He's got a veteran group down there, especially on the offensive side of the ball. I mean, who knows? We'll see what happens with Dak. But the one thing about Mike that I always really loved about him was he was an O-line guy. I mean, he was an offensive line, defensive line guy.

You know, if we were going up to him third week of training camp saying, Mike, the guys are grumbling, man. You know, they're a little sore. Can we take the pads off today? Okay, sure. Let's put the pads on for individual and, you individual and we'll take them off for team drills. Just little stuff like that just to let you know that he cares about you. I liked Mike a lot.

I think his strongest assets were definitely he can get the team fired up. I think he's a guy when he sits there in team meetings the night before games, I used to tell him you should do these speeches like 20 minutes before the game, man, because now I'm all fired up. I got to go sleep. I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping because I'm all jacked up. I'm ready to go right now. Is this where AJ got it from? Is this where you got your motivational speeches from? Yeah, so something you don't know that happens on this show, Pat tries to get me to give like an inspirational speech at the end of every show, and it's garbage, and it doesn't – TJ, you know me well enough. That's not my thing. And Pat tries to shoehorn it in and make it happen.

But was it his message, or was it Coach McCarthy's mock turtlenecks that he wore under his sports coat that got him excited? The mock turtlenecks mixed in with like a little newspaper boy hat. It definitely added a little bit of motivation there. I think the one big thing is you can tell when people are faking passion. You can tell when somebody's BS-ing their message. It doesn't come off right. He wasn't scared to get emotional either, TJ.

I think that's what made it real. We got excited when that happened. Exactly. That was the biggest thing is that his face would just get beat red you know he'd start tearing up when he was talking about stories or trying to get the guys going and anytime that happens to me i'm an irish man i'm a little softy you know and another man's crying i start crying yeah i mean that's just how it goes so mike would mike i think that's his best best asset that he brings as a head coach is

is getting the guys to play for him making them want to not let him down on sundays i think that's that that's a huge factor in what nfl coaches have to do now because on the other side like kind of what we went with patricia for a little bit was we wanted to go perform at a high level so he wasn't bitching at us you know with mike it was kind of we want to go perform at a high level because man he this guy's passionate you know we want to we want to go perform at a high level because, man, this guy's passionate. You know, we want to win this thing for him. So the night before, he's giving speeches where he's, like, crying. Like, hey, like, hey,

these guys are supposed to beat you by 40. Like, that type of stuff. Is it, like, one for the gipper? Or what are the types of speeches that old Mike McCarthy Yenzer's giving out there? Well, it usually had to do with the, there was always multiple streets named in the neighborhood he grew up in, Pittsburgh.

And it was usually telling some story from his childhood with his dad, driving dump trucks. There's all kinds of famous Mike McCarthy Saturday night stories. We used to go down the strip. It really affected – yeah, he would talk about all the streets, his dad's bar down the road, like all of it. It was amazing. Yeah, he would find a way to talk about boar hunting down in texas and somehow

relate it to like what we're supposed to do against the vikings the next day which didn't really make a lot of sense when you kind of explain it afterwards but during the moment during that five minutes you're just like ready to run through a wall for the guy you think you think those stories are potentially what's holding up the dallas cowboys and dac prescott's deal could be could be i don't think jason garrett was a type of guy that really did a whole lot Stories are potentially what's holding up the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott's deal. Could be. Could be. I don't think Jason Garrett was the type of guy that really did a whole lot of boron things or ever visited Pittsburgh. A lot of clapping out of that guy.

I was going to say, Matty Stafford was so cool. I got a chance to meet him. I'd never met him before. I met him at a wedding this past off-season. It was an Illuminati wedding. I mean, the people that were there were super high-end people. We were not supposed to be there. Who's wedding? Coonan. It was an Illuminati wedding. I mean, the people that were there were super high-end people. We were not supposed to be there. Who's wedding? Coonan. It was my

agent's wedding. And I don't know how Foxy and I ended up there. We were there. We were not supposed to be there. Shouldn't have been. I mean, it was really... Everybody's very nice, but it was way above our standards. Matty Stafford was there, though. Got a chance to meet him. Cool guy. One of the coolest dudes I've ever encountered, I think.

He can sling that thing, too. you think that his career has been wasted in detroit tj ling from detroit michigan i wouldn't say wasted yet only because i feel like he's got a long long ways to go you know if if uh we got a big lions fan back here tj but one of your biggest one of the biggest lions fans potentially in existence is in the in the back uh window there so these positive things are and he loves maddie i needed that tj i really am aware buddy i appreciate hey one day we'll be our heroes someday that's why we're still here someday but going back to your question i think uh you know in the next three four five years who knows man if they can get over a hump and he can hoist the trophy over his head, you know, at 35, 36 years old, his career definitely would have been wasted. I think the type of things that he's gone through in Detroit from the, you know, devastating playoff losses to an 0-16 season.

I mean, it's just been every end of the spectrum you can possibly have. I mean, it's just been every end of the spectrum you can possibly have. And for the guy to still want to be here and want to be in Detroit and want to win for this city, I think says a lot about his character. And like you said, I mean, he's one of the most he's one of the coolest dudes I've ever met. You know, different guy from a star quarterback type of level. Almost seems like a Cali surf bro type of guy. He's one of us. That's just like, whatever. Let's do it. Yeah, he's a of guy. He's one of us. Attitude that's just like, whatever, man, let's do it. Yeah, he's a cool dude.

He really is. He's one of us. I always refer to people as like, he's one of us. He is. There's people that aren't that are very successful. Like, for instance, I don't think Tom Brady's one of us, right? That guy eats avocado ice cream. No way.

So whenever I say he's one of us, it's like, yeah, I think he would fit in very well on the show. I think he would do very well on the show. 100%. I agree with you. I'm rooting for the guy, man think he would do very well on the show. A hundred percent. I agree with you. I'm rooting for the guy, man. Just being able to play with him for a short two seasons.

Wish I could have played with him longer, you know, with the body broke down. But he's just such a fearless guy, man. You see the pain that he plays through, the injuries that he plays through. They're inspirational, man. And it wears off on the rest of the team. It kind of sets that pain management level saying, you know, crap, man, I've got a sprained ankle. Stafford's over there with broken bones in his back, and he's still out there playing.

Man, I've got to get my ass out there. You know, I think that's contagious to a team and definitely sets a good example. So I'll always be a lifetime Stafford fan, man. He's one of the best guys and best teammates you could possibly ask for. So what do you think it takes, though, for Detroit? I know there's plenty of rumors out there that it's a win or get fired for this staff.

How many wins is that? What does it look like? I don't know. I mean, from everything I've heard, I think the ownership right now is expecting playoffs, whether that's, I don't know, there's been some years where you get in the playoffs at eight and eight. There's some years it takes 11 wins to get in.

So I think if they get to nine or 10 wins and show a lot of obviously drastic improvement that they can show management that they're going in the right way. And I think that would be a good starting point. I think another six, seven win season might be just enough from ownership. They might want to bring somebody else in because when you have, you know, three years, I think that's kind of where everybody wants those immediate results right now. But three years is, you know, kind of getting up there a long time in the NFL. So I'm rooting for him, man.

I think they can get over the hump just because you look at what they did last year was one of the weirdest years I've ever seen out of an NFL team where they've had a lead in almost every single game, and yet they lost 12 of them and tied one. So devastating. Like such a heartbreaking season. Every week it was like, Foxes, we're going to do it. We're going to do it.

And then they just – they did it. They didn't do it. David Blough. David Blau. Drew Blau. It's every year though. I'm used to this. Yeah. David Blau.

David Blau. Yeah. Drew Blau. I asked Matt Patricia right to his face if he was planning on starting Drew Blau or something like that. Drew Blau. Drew Blau. And he was like, that's not his name.

Well, at least you know. I'm happy you know. He was fuming inside. I can promise you that. Drew Plow. Drew Plow. And he was like, that's not his name. Well, at least you know. I'm happy you know. He was fuming inside. I can promise you that. Oh, God. Plow put on a show, though. Plow put on a show. TJ, some of my favorite things about you

have been what you've been doing on Twitter. Can we go through a couple of these real quick? And I can just get a little bit more. Because you're only confined to so many characters on Twitter. I'd like to hear a little... Analysis? Yeah, a little bit more because you're only confined to so many characters on Twitter. I'd like to hear a little analysis. Yeah, a little analysis on your tweets. Sure.

Why don't you start? All right. Let's put the one up there that is when you motion Jimmy Graham into help with your pass pro and he blocks Warren Shop then tweeted a video of Jimmy Graham literally just getting smoked. I mean, he didn't even touch the guy. of Jimmy Graham literally just getting smoked. I mean, he didn't even touch the guy. And TJ Lane goes, totally unfair to ask a tight end to block the right pro football talk because Mike Florio's big thing is that they shouldn't have tight ends blocking these people.

And then when the video shows that, it's almost like, oh, Jimmy Graham didn't even attempt to block that guy. Is that what you were saying? Is that what you were mentioning? So it started about a week before that. Playing in Green Bay for so long and playing with Detroit, obviously I have a pretty big hatred, and being from Detroit, I have a pretty big hatred for Chicago sports.

So I would say most of my bashing usually comes from some sort of Chicago sports team. So any type of signing they make where if somebody signed in Detroit, I'd say it's awesome. If they signed in Chicago, I'd say that's a terrible move. That's just kind of what I do. It's been that way for a long time. It goes back to the old Blackhawks-Red Wings rivalry, which hasn't been there in the past five years.

So I can't mention that. But anyways, I put out a tweet about Jimmy Graham saying, well, Chicago is going to utilize me hopefully to my strengths. And all I said was, well, I guess you're not going to be blocking very much. Got it. Not trying to bash Jimmy Graham per se, but it was more just trying to get the Chicago fans around him. Anyways, pro football talk, you know, Mike Florio,

great friend of mine, great guy, wrote an article about how he thinks it's unfair to ask, you know, past basketball players now turn NFL tight end to block. It's not part of their game. They should just be strictly receivers. Okay, that was the whole article. I think he called me a meathead in it while he was writing, which, you know, no offense taken.

I actually take that as a compliment. But then, you know, this Warren Sharpe guy puts out this video, and so I kind of sent it back to Pro Football Talk saying, is this what you meant by, you know, this is totally unfair to asking a tight end to at least try to put a hand on somebody. Never got a response. So still waiting. I'll let you know when I hear back.

TJ, I will let you know that there's a guy in here who is a massive Green Bay Packer fan. And your tweets about Jimmy Graham have brought him actual happiness in his life. Because every single week when Jimmy Graham was on the television and you were near Ty Schmidt, who's a diehard Green Bay Packer fan, all you would say is, fucking waste of money, that guy. The guy makes a catch. Even guy the guy makes a catch even if the guy made a catch like a big time catch right I'm like look what Jimmy Graham just said he'll fuck it up in a second very many big time catches I can see he was I mean he was not happy so watching you just roast him publicly because of your spout with Florio and Chicago was a massive

thing for a time I think you also hit somebody else. Is there another? Yeah. Ian Rapoport of NFL Network tweeted that the Panthers tried to send Cam Newton to the Bears and Chargers. They found no takers. And at this point, no starting jobs are available. Obviously, Cam Newton would then go on to get cut. And TJ Lang says, imagine picking Nick Foles in his contract, which is like $80 million over Cam Newton. TJ Lang, I'm on your side here.

I don't know why Cam Newton doesn't have a gig right now. I am very confused about it, especially at the price that he was at. $21 million, that's less than any starting quarterback is probably going to make that his second contract or more in the NFL. I'm absolutely with you. I think when you look at the type of player he is and how dynamic he can be, I don't know. It just doesn't really how dynamic he can be, I don't know. It just doesn't really make a lot of sense. I don't know if teams are just kind of turned off by his sort of characteristic, the charisma that he brings, the post-game outfits that he wears,

kind of the attention that he always brings with himself. The one thing I can only think of, though, is the health, you know, concerns that is better going on. Foles, though. I'm with you, too. I mean, this is a guy who got hurt and lost his job to, you know, an undrafted guy in Gardner Minshew. It was good.

Minshew undrafted? I think he was. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, a guy who wasn't even supposed to play this year. But make the connection once again. We're still, you know, we're talking about Chicago Bears. I'm with you, though, man. I think Cam is definitely a guy who has a lot left in his bucket, man.

He's got a lot of ball that he can play. If he stays healthy, maybe he's a guy that just needs a change of scenery. Who knows? If you're holding my hand to the fire, right, my hand to the fire and saying pick Nick Foles or Cam Newton right now, I'm picking Cam Newton probably 10 out of 10 times. Me too, especially like how pissed off it seems like he is. He's saying on his Instagram that Carolina basically pushed him out

and he's training. I mean, it just looks like he's getting back to form. There was a couple YouTube comments here. A guy named Owen Sheever asked, what is it like whenever a veteran offensive lineman leaves, like Bulaga, right, leaves the Packers? How hard is that as a human to fill in the offensive line? Because a lot of it revolves around you guys getting along. That's a pretty big deal for offensive linemen. Absolutely. The chemistry is number one on the level of importance, I think,

to have success as a group. You know, as a young guy, I watched Mark Tauscher leave and Chad Clifton leave. Those guys were in years 11 and 12. So you kind of knew that, you know, their careers were winding down. And as a young guy, you have a totally different output right now. You're saying, hey, you know, finally, I got a chance to go go prove myself. But it's when it's one of your buddies, one of your best friends, like 2016, Josh sitting getting cut the last day of training camp. It just totally blindsides you. And you're saying, man, this has been my running mate for eight straight years. You know, what the hell am I going to do?

Because now I'm thrown into the elder statesman kind of the offense and as the offensive line. I'm not ready for that. You know, Josh and I, we always had the same attitude, the same approach to work. It's fun kind of when you have the same guy right there that you can play with and just look forward to seeing each other every day. So it was incredibly difficult, not only from the standpoint of losing one of your best friends,

but that's a big-ass hole. We've got a left guard we've got to fill now, and hopefully the next guy is ready for it because those are big shoes, man. There's a lot of expectation that come with playing that position. So it was definitely tough I think it took me probably you know three or four games to kind of get used to it you know to not having Josh over there making the calls and instead of me now you know instead of sharing that duty it kind of all fell on me but um it was my first real taste I would say that was in my seventh year of I'm sorry that was in my beginning of my eighth year that was my first taste of business like football where

you had to like all the really good player not only was he a really good player but he was also one of my best friends on the unit it was extremely difficult and I kind of I felt bad about it because the guy who took his spot Lane Lane Taylor, was a young player in his third year, kind of coming up like I had earlier in my career. And I kind of, I kind of took it out on him a little bit. I wouldn't talk to him for a little while. But at the end of the day, you're like, what the hell am I doing, man? This is my teammate. You know, his success is very important to my success and what we were trying to do as a team. So I felt like a dick after a while. Yeah, you should have.

It's just part of the business, man. That was the first time I think I actually went through it where it really stung, man. It stung deep. I actually shed tears over it, and it hurt really hard. Listen to this. Hey. Hold on.

AJ, real quick. One more comment from the internet. Oh. Brian Steer says, TJ Lang looks like a guy who'd own a tiger. Yeah. Just want to let you know that that was said about you, TJ. I mean, I'm not against it. Did you see Tiger? You saw Tiger King?

Oh, of course I did. Bro. One of the wackiest things I've ever watched in my life. AJ and I are big fans of it. There's some people that are coming out saying it wasn't that entertaining. If you couldn't find entertainment in that, I don't know what is going on there. Matthew. After the second episode, I had to remind myself that this is real.

There's so many different plots, and it's just going all these different ways. Like, I'm like, this is, there's no way this isn't made up. It was absolutely insane. It was one of my favorite documentaries I've watched

outside of the, what was the other one? The cat killer one that kind of had the same vibe. Like, this is what you think it's going to be then,

bam. Like, holy shit, what the hell was that? You know, it was just totally crazy. Every single second of it was exhilarating. Carol Baskin definitely killed her old ex-husband.

Have you heard the cuck come out? The cuck Howard Baskin came out, or Caskin, Baskin, he came out and he had a 10-minute, like telling everybody to stop blaming Carol for the death of Dawn in 1997 and how malicious the whole documentary was. I'm sorry, AJ, that's on me. Well, no, my last thing, pivoting off of that,

didn't you see recently, didn't the cops open up the investigation again for the disappearance of her first husband? Yeah, just yesterday, I think, I saw. What do you think? What do you think? You think they take her down? Oh, man, I don't know. She's kind of scary.

I don't know if I'd want to mess with her. Very scary. Very, very scary. Actually, re-watching the documentary now for the second time, you kind of pick up on some things that you missed the first time. All seven parts? All seven episodes? All seven, dude.

Well, because I watched it by myself to start with because it's easier for me to take my computer in the bathroom when I'm doing business and just watch a knockout episode. But now my wife wants to watch it because all the girls, your wife included, are talking about it. It's a 55-minute dump there. Well, you're going to have everyone. You can't be doing that.

That's probably my medium dump time, I would say. 55 minutes. Had some long ones, had some short ones. It's my office, man. It's where I go to work. It's where I read the news, you know. Actually, re-watching it the second time, you kind of pick up on some things. And I think Carol definitely had something to do with it.

But her dad kind of seemed like the guy who might have actually done the dirty work. Because it was always, oh, Carol and her dad. Her dad hated Don. Her dad hated this. Her dad, after Don was gone, hung up a poster about, you know, we'll never speak his name again in this house. I mean, just a lot of crazy shit that you pick up the second time watching it through. So my biggest thing, my question I put out actually last week on Twitter was,

Carol was saying, oh, Don was telling me he's getting up really, really early and he's flying somewhere. You know, he's just taking off for the day. Well, if you knew he was getting up really early and traveling, why would you report him missing the very next morning? You know, that was my biggest question. I took a couple of criminology classes in school. So I kind of start, brain starts working a little bit.

I watch Live PD and Dateline. I got questions too. Dude, I got a lot of questions. But listen, man, if your friend says, hey, I'm leaving tomorrow. I'm going to be gone for a while. Would you report him missing the next day? No, you think he just left.

He just got on his plane and he left. That's what he told me he was doing. He's gone. That's fishy. And I wasn't writing the will upon his disappearance. Bingo. Bingo. Bingo. Hey, Pat, how are you feeling today, by the way way i watched the show a little bit you're actually looking better than i thought you were going to you know i i'm a dumper i i don't do the 55 minuters i do do 10 15 every once in a while can't feel my feet but usually

if food comes in it's coming out now not in a rapid fashion because i have put on some pounds i'm trying to lose them but i i think most of the McDonald's got out of me. I was aching, though. I still don't know why. My body was just, like, achy. I couldn't really fall asleep. I think it's the sodium and probably my clogged arteries. Well, I can tell you, you don't have any kids yet, right? No, no.

Yeah, wait until you have kids. Those long dumps will start stacking up. I'm going golfing. That's why golf is so long. I honestly believe that was the case. What's a game we can just make seven hours fucking up? Seven hours. I don't know how people do it.

I agreed with you. One thing you said yesterday was how great the quarter pounder is. It's the best. Oh, my God. It is. I got to tell you, whatever they changed in that recipe, I don't know how long it was ago. It doesn't seem like that long, maybe in the past year. Yeah.

That is the best burger that I've had in probably the past six months. It is. Oh, so you've had better burgers than that, though? I mean, I have, but not at the convenience. I mean, the best burger I have is probably a 45 minute drive. I could go two minutes down the road and pick up a quarter pounder and be absolutely delightful. That's Detroit, though.

That's why the place... We have some great restaurants here. I don't want to be bashing Detroit restaurants. I just kind of live out in the boonies where I'm not really close to any of them. What is it, Greek Town or something like that? They got a geez aj disappeared he just came out of like a cloud over there uh it was a greek town in detroit or something like that there's a casino and everything like that yeah greek town is a cool little place

right downtown they're not far from the uh great you know three stadiums we got down there got a bunch of good little greek, Greek Town Casino. We've got three casinos downtown, which is, you know, I'm not really a blackjack type guy. I'm more of a minus three type guy over the 48. But they did just open up the sports book down there, which inconveniently now nobody can go to. But I will probably spend a little bit more time down there. It's a great

part of town. TJ, last thing for me. Does Tom Brady and the Bucs win the Super Bowl this year? No. I don't think they win the Super Bowl. I think they get better. I think they win. How much better? Way better. All the way better. Really? I don't know.

Rewatching some of the games from last year, the playoffs, you watch Tom Brady in the game against Tennessee. He did not look good, man. How larky. I don't know. Pat, I know you're on the Tom Brady train. You still think he's a good deep ball thrower. Hard.

Tell me! Still think he's a good deep ball thrower. Hard. Tick, tick, tell me. It kind of reminds me of Peyton Manning at the end of his career where he kind of lost his spot to Brock Osborne a little bit there, came back, obviously won the Super Bowl. But you watch some of the balls that he used to throw, was just struggling on, you know, and it didn't look the same. I think what he will bring to that team, obviously, is, you, is anytime

you have somebody that's won that many championships automatically, you have just this larger-than-life figure that elevates the rest of your roster and what the expectations are. I think they will benefit definitely from having him that way. You know what?

I don't know. You're really making me think they might win the damn Super Bowl. They've got a lot going on on that offense. Talk yourself into it already. Godwin and Evans and O.J. Howard, I don't know, man. They've got a chance to have definitely a really, really awesome offense at least. And Todd Bowles took that defense from 32 to 5. I think the biggest thing, now this could be me being wrong because the quarterback doesn't know the offense, but you would just think that Tom Brady would have the ability

to learn football. I don't know. Actually, you have 20 year old dog, new tricks. I guess I should ask you that this question, no OTAs, right? So none of these rookies are really going to get baptized into these programs. I mean, they might be able to learn the playbook, but everybody knows how important reps are. There's a reason why walkthroughs happen and practices happen, and you can't just learn everything from an iPad or a playbook.

With no OTAs, no preparation, really, it sounds like, unless there's a shortened training camp or something along those lines, whatever happens. With limited time to prepare, who does that benefit? That benefits the older. Like Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are in a good spot right because they're they're not going to add a lot of shit for them to not understand Tom Brady going to Tampa Bay is that going to hurt them because he obviously has never played it down in that style of offense or will that help them because

everybody else is not going to have as much preparation as much as just like he wouldn't like does that make any sense I don't know yeah no i'm definitely with you i was just thinking that in my head as you were talking was the teams that are going to strive i think are your kansas city chiefs who there's not a lot of turnover on that roster obviously the playbook's probably going to be the exact same you know the expectations are going to be high they just won the super bowl kind of reminds me of age back after we won the Super Bowl and we missed the whole offseason. You know, we didn't show up until training camp.

We came in that year and went 15-1. You know, we were just rolling, man, because we didn't have a lot of changeover. We had a majority of the same roster, the same coaches, the same schemes. Everything was the same. So although we were still training on our own the whole offseason, it wasn't like, shit, man, God, I'm going to be so overwhelmed now because I've got to learn a whole new playbook. I've got to do all this different shit that's going on.

We didn't have that. We were rolling teams, man. We went 15-1 that year. Didn't win the Super Bowl, but, you know, that was one of the best teams I ever played on. And I think a lot of that was having that continuity, even though we weren't in the offseason, we weren't together, all OTAs, we still rolled in, man. And it was the first day we got there, we picked up

right where we left off the previous season after the Super Bowl. And I think that those teams with, you know, the Chiefs are going to be, you know, they're probably going to have a head start. Niners. The Niners are going to have a head start. I think New England's going to struggle. I think Dallas, although with all the talent they have, might struggle a little bit because it are going to have a head start. I think New England's going to struggle. I think Dallas, although with all the talent they have, might struggle a little bit because it's going to be a new scheme with Coach McCarthy's going to want to change some things up to what he likes. So definitely, you're absolutely right, man.

The teams that are staying together with the same coaching staff and the same returning, the majority of the core players are definitely going to have a head start when this thing's all said and done age would you agree absolutely i think pat had clyde christensen who was tom brady's new quarterback coach on earlier today and his show and clyde said like there's a premium on teams with vet quarterbacks that like have that leadership because every great team is is run through the quarterback like the quarterback sets the tone if he's the if he's the main guy if he's the stud everyone it trickles down to everybody where everyone wants to get better and they do get better so yeah there's absolutely a premium when you have no offseason you think tom brady's running 11 wide on zoom right now

going through do you think he is like all right uh chris where are we going with this i'm going inside the tight end linebacker like do you think That's what people are going to have to do these quarterbacks Are going to have to get creative I think I mean who knows how long this is going to last I don't think anybody knows but they're going to have to get really Creative TJ Yeah buddy I don't want to speak for

AJ because AJ is a great speaking man But hey we appreciate the hell out of you Coming on here man I appreciate it man it's good catching up with you guys i'm sorry if i upset the sponsors with the story i told her at the beginning i don't i thought that's why you wanted me on this show and not the morning show so i could speak my mind yeah well you fucking blew it for us but the morning shows the morning show earphones.

Earbuds, by the way. Earbuds. Sorry. By the way, they don't have any dangling stems, those Raycons E25. They just go right in your ear. Great bass. It's half the price of the premium brands. You know what I mean?

That Raycon. Ask him, Kevin. The morning show, though, can only get a max time because I have to go to a commercial break. I felt like we were going to have a good extended conversation. That's why I thought coming in the afternoon would be a smart decision. And by the way, bingo. Bingo. You nailed it, dude. That's why you get

paid the big bucks. Let's do it again next week, though, man. This is fun. Kind of gets me away from the family for a little bit. Yeah, now you're going to go take a dump. You'll have a good two and a half hours away from the family in the middle of the day. Dad of the year. I guess we died. How many kids do you have?

I've got three. My oldest is eight. My daughter's four. And then baby boy will be two here in about a month and a half. Nailed it. Full house. Well, I hope you're enjoying it.

AJ's having a blast teaching his kids. Oh, I know he is. Hall of Fame dad. Hall of Fame dad. Look at that jawline. AJ's face looks like a shovel. I mean, the lighting. I mean, you have this face that just looks like,

you look like the toughest guy on earth, AJ. Literally, does he not, TJ? It's not true. No, it's like a 1400s stone sculpture. You can see AJ's face. There's not many times a guy grows his hair out and then cuts it and gets better looking. I think AJ is one of those guys, though, definitely, 100%.

I'll take it. Atta boy. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champ, dad of the year, about to go take an hour and a half dump, T.J. Thanks, T.J. Good talking to you guys, man. See you later. See you, man.

Great conversation there with T.J. Lang. Beast. A.J. is hilarious, man. I am a big A.J. Hawk fan. Massive. We all are. He did blow me off yesterday, Dorn at McDonald's. Connor, not the biggest fan, but T. are calling AJ back because the only way we can

call is a group FaceTime. I think the Zoom, by the way, I did a Frank Caliendo show yesterday on the Zoom. Interesting. Very interesting. Did it work? Yeah, it worked, but it's not. People are pushing it way out of control, as if it's the best invention of all time. I'm not 100% sure that's the best invention of all time i'm not

100 sure that's the case but i can understand how people like it very simple to use you just kind of hit a button and you're there and then it's all there and then they record it it seems like it's very simple to use great invention but it wasn't as nice i thought it was gonna be i thought there was six people on the call i could only see four at a time i thought we're having the entire you know what i mean i thought we're having the entire crew there it was that's interesting because i feel like i came home to one the other day and it's good for business because i saw like 25 people on the screen yeah i saw some guy's dick in the lower right corner yeah he's just dancing around jeez people were dumping them out picasso guy didn't know he was

on camera he was his first time on zoom they're having an entire conference meeting or whatever he thought it was just on sound he comes he while they're talking he mutes it does a quick change shower comes back dick swinging the entire the entire meeting just stops basically is that real that really happened yeah yeah i've seen a lot of those zooms where like one i think some girl went and sat down on the toilet and everyone could see her like are they not aware when you have your camera and there's a light on on your camera that they can see you well there's options so on the the cell phone on the uh the iphone one there's one screen where it just shows who's talking and then you've got to scroll with your thumb over to the next one that has a panel of people and then you got to scroll again if there's

more more than four for the next panel of people so i think if you stay on that first screen and you don't know to to pan you have no idea that you're on camera the entire time you are live that entire time with everybody else and the guy put his dick out on her that's awesome it's probably safe to just assume you're always on camera especially if you're on a zoom call with 15 co-workers people are stupid yep some people some people um you want to take some questions from uh sure are you mad at the youtube commenter no i just knew where you're going ladies and gentlemen sometimes we like to dive deep into the most beautiful place of the internet the youtube comments with YouTube questions. YouTube questions.

Zito, you got any over there, bub? Yes, sir. Jeremy Markoski asked, this is a lot of hard words, so bear with me. Ask the guys if they think the career longevity should positively or negatively affect a player's legacy or not at all.

Great reading. I mean, top five reading right there. Longevity. Longevity. Longevity. Hey, there we go. Poiseed. Gee, silent.

Do you mean if you play longer, your legacy should be bigger and better? Yes. Well, I assume he asked me that question because I retired after year eight after being dominant and retiring in my prime instead of just holding on for an extra couple years. I assume that's why that question was asked. I think those who can do it longer are impressive. Like the fact that Vinatieri is kicking into his 40s,

I think the fact that you can remain at a competitive level mentally, that you want to still drive yourself to work physically to continue to be one of the top people in your class in your profession and not hit a lump or or a drought or uh just a time that a stink i think if you can play for a long time you're great that's why we had a guy on what 13 years he never made a pro ball or something like that who's that ted ginn howinn. How many years has Ted Ginn been in the NFL? 14, right? 14 years, never made the Pro Bowl. I was like, how is this even possible? How can a guy

be in the NFL for 14 years? He's got, what, 45 contracts at this point, and he's not in a Pro Bowl. To last long, I think it goes hand in hand. If you last long in the NFL, you're great at football. That's just kind of the tie-in, I think. For some people who retire young, myself, you know, Barry Sanders. Luck. Andrew Luck. of football that's just kind of the tie-in i think for some people who retire young myself barry sanders like luck andrew luck i can't put myself in there but it's like uh terrell davis

remember him in denver he's in the hall of fame i think he only played eight or nine years and that was always the argument like did he have enough years of dominant play to get him in the hall of fame obviously he did he's in but people always wanted yeah i guess if you him in the Hall of Fame. Obviously, he did. He's in. But people always wondered. Yeah, I guess if you put in the longevity, all it does is just it keeps you out there longer, making plays year after year after year. Are you a potential Hall of Famer one day? No. But thanks. Why not?

Okay. It's like arguing about legacy. Like, oh, what do you want your legacy to be? Did you make Pro Bowls? You're a Pro Bowler, right? No, I think the year we went to the Super Bowl, as an alternate, I would have played if I wasn't in the Super Bowl. Oh, so you didn't give out any Pro Bowls? No. Oh, that's. You got to get in early. Well, you got to get if I wasn't in the Super Bowl. Oh, so you didn't give out any Pro Bowls? No.

Oh, that's – You got to get in early. Well, you got to get in early. Now it's way different. Now they're taking the 15th alternate, like on how it goes. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, it's not an easy thing to do, especially when in the NFC you got Erlacher and Lance Briggs

both on the Chicago Bears at the same time too, early in my career. There's studs everywhere, man. Everyone you said like oh if someone can last a long time in the NFL it means they're they're great players they're really good you can make the argument that anyone that has played yes any kind of football in the NFL is great of course it's all relative to different levels of course but yeah I mean I think the longer you it It's just more impressive, guys like Tom Brady, that he's never really had a lull. He's never hit the wall to where now, if you listen to TJ, but TJ even talked himself out of that argument

saying Tom Brady didn't look the same as he started thinking about it more and more. So yeah, it's all... It's weird, man. Someone could do it for that long. How old is Vinatieri now? 45. Jeez.

They don't know what's going to happen. I'm not asking him. Is he a free agent? Yeah. So would he play somewhere else? New England needs a kicker. I don't think he'll go back to New England. Damn it.

Maybe. I don't know. I don't think he would go back. I think he would go to a place that, you know, like, for instance, if Tampa needed a kicker, right? They have a punter that kicks off their team that's potentially going to go on a run. He knows what everybody in that building, basically. But you'd have to rely on his rehab that's happening right now, right? Everything's bad. I want to ask you about your guy, Adam Schefter.

Did you see where he kind of got upset? He got a little bothered. about your guy adam schaefter did you see where he kind of got upset he got a little bothered he said this draft is happening with with carnage on the streets and they're acting like it's business as usual like what do you think about him taking a stand against the league i by the way according to my sources i am a massive adam schaefter fan i am a massive adam schaefter fan he was at that wedding that i was with maddie staff Stafford. Yeah, it's CAA. Of course, CAA reps every big actor and athlete in the world. Yeah, you can get lost in a shuffle in there. Anyways, I love him. But he did get upset about that on SportsCenter or First Take

or Get Up, whatever it was. I did not expect that from Schefter, by the way, because draft night is a massive night for him. I mean, he is obviously that's a big night for him. And the fact that he I would assume, which is what's happening to a lot of people I've been watching on the Internet, is it kind of cavalier and laissez faire about COVID-19? And then somebody close to him, right, gets hit by it. And then all of a sudden you put a face on the cause.

And it's like not only are we in quarantine, the's a lot different place but i just lost somebody that and i'm not i don't know if that's the case with schefter but it sure felt like that came from an emotional standpoint right like he he had real passion in that i would assume he knows somebody or something happened to him relatively close that he's like hey this is this is not just a okay here we go about our business this is a completely different time. People are passing away. The streets are on lockdown. I think that's why he did it. But in my eyes, with all that being said, the draft is needed.

I think this is something. When does he want it moved to? That's my question. Are we going to postpone it indefinitely? We don't know when it could open up. It could be two or three months from now. You can't do the draft then, can you? I would say the draft is needed more now for humans than it has ever been in the past

this it's still a long time away and people are still thinking about it happening because it gives you hope i was on frank caliendo's podcast yesterday i said mentioned earlier there's a guy named john on there that was a co-host with him good guy funny guy he's a radio host out in arizona he said when devin bush got drafted to the Steelers last year, he's a diehard Steelers fan that lives in Arizona. He said he gave him like hope for his team for like the next 10 years. Like it was like he was so pumped up that the Steelers got Devin Bush. It like gave him a moment. He said this year, if the Steelers hit on anybody, it's going to be a moment where he's going to think about the future. He's going to think about what could be. I think the draft

is something that is needed at this moment. But me it sounded like schaefter had somebody close to him that experienced that very the most negative potential outcome from covet 19 which is what's happening at a rapid rate i think like a thousand people a day at this point people are passing away it felt he was not happy though he was pissed off that was out of character for shifty absolutely and especially with espn you're not really supposed to criticize the league or roger goodell either they have a tight relationship monday night football like they want to get better games year after year too and it's up to the league to make those monday night games a little better that might be i mean what i called alberto river

on an idiot on get up like what every week for 17 weeks pretty much and this is what actually these comments came after roger goodell put out a memo saying like if you criticize us having the draft there will be repercussions disciplinary action but i guess two executives of teams and gms not media personalities hey by the way what a g sentence to put in that entire thing hey here's what's happening and by the way the executive committee said something and i agree with them uh this is for inside conversations only anybody that has complaints take them up directly with us this gets outside none of us think that's good disciplinary action could happen go ahead open your mouth and lose your fucking team do you think roger wanted that memo out there like for the for public consumption not

just the gms no but i think in that paragraph the possible disciplinary actions dot dot dot like whoever sends this to adam schefter before everybody else gets this you're gonna be fired that's what he should have seen because it was literally in there about what happened with Schefter's team. That's awesome. If you put it in writing, you can expect it to get out there. Every time.

I guess his only chance would be to have a conference call with all of the teams, the execs, and verbally say it, but even then, it's still going to get leaked to the media somehow. I got something in my left eye right now. It's the worst. It's just in my eye, dude. I don't know where it came

from. Probably from the ceiling. Throw some water on there. Keep rubbing your eyes and stuff. That's good to hear. I heard it was COVID-19. There it is. All better. Good. You look good. I wanted to ask TJ. It's one thing. You look good. Appreciate you doing that, Corn.

I wanted to ask TJ. It's one thing I forgot until now. I wanted to ask him what he thinks of the job Roger Goodell is doing. What are your thoughts on Roger Goodell? I would imagine he would have a little mini rant on that one. Oh, my God. We should have asked him about Rob Manfred. The baseball guy.

You know what scared me, Pat? I don't want to cut you off. It's that the baseball guy. You know what scared me, Pat? I don't want to cut you off. It's that the British Open, NBC, not NBC, but NBC carries on TV, but they canceled that, and that's in the middle of July. That one worried me. Yeah, there was quite a reaction from the boys here in the office whenever that made it on television that the Open was being canceled.

That's a long time away now, right? And Mark Cuban, one week ago, was on ESPN, very optimistic about a return and a start. And then just yesterday, he was like, we're not sure. He kind of backed off. I think we are in a very much let's wait and see what the hell happens type world. You know what I mean? Every day.

Doesn't it seem right now we're April 2nd. It seems like this month we're going to learn a lot of where we may go. Come April 30th, I know a lot of different – this is when some restrictions are scheduled to go to i'm sure they can easily go longer but it seems like these next three or four weeks we're going to learn a lot about what's happening or we won't or we won't or we won't yeah or we won't i'll tell you i feel like i'm learning a lot about our government yeah you know the good thing is it's a good thing we have dr drew tomorrow to try to straighten something i know he's been know he's been very open about

his criticism for the media creating this panic and creating chaos. Like he even says, just listen to Dr. Fauci. Like he's worked with Fauci back in the AIDS epidemic. I've listened to him talk about that a few times. And he says, hey, listen to Dr. Fauci. He's great. But Dr. Drew, we'll get

him going on the media because he despises some of the chaos he feels like the media may be creating so you're a big dr drew fan huh yeah i i i mean dr drew's everywhere he has multiple podcasts he has a podcast on tom segura's network with tom and his wife so like i hear a lot of stuff he does really and he's pretty jacked i want to know what his workout regimen looks like yeah get that protein powder dr drew used to sling dick tips now he's pretty jacked. I want to know what his workout regimen looks like. Yeah, get that protein powder. Dr. Drew used to sling dick tips. Now he's out here saving the world.

I don't know if that's what he's doing right now or not. I think he's still just practicing being a doctor, and he's also a media member. I'm going to let it be known that I am pumped to talk to Dr. Drew. I used to watch him as a child in teenage years on MTV. I am pumped to talk to Dr. Drew. I used to watch him as a child in teenage years on MTV. I am pumped to talk to Dr. Drew. But booking of Dr. Drew is not easy. He's a very busy man.

And I am worried that I might ask him, I might offend him with some of my questions. You haven't seen a lot of stuff he's doing now. I don't think he gets easily offended by things. What could you offend him with? Well, hey, you're busy. I don't give a fuck if you're on the show or not, Dr. Drew. Keep it moving.

That's what I would like to say. It wasn't that difficult, but I don't know where you're getting all this info from. True. True. 100% true. I was just told that Dr. Drew was busy and there was a chance he wasn't going to come on, but then you reached out to sagora and made it happen so i i guess i was wrong and what i was told about dr drew potentially being busy yeah he'll be fine we just got to make sure we start

the show at one because that's when he wants to come on that's when he can come on now dr drew's telling me what to do i don't i don't like you know well when i tell him hey it shows you starts at one goes to 230 or whenever and he says great I can come on at 1 Eastern, 10 Pacific. I say, book it. We're in. I agree. And then you take that as Dr. Drew trying to big time us. Bingo.

You understand that. Well, good. Then you can ask him about that tomorrow. That's what doctors do their entire life is tell people what to do. That's all they know how to do. I'm going to let Dr. Drew know. I don't love what he's done with my schedule. I come out of a show at noon.

I have to normally handle some calls, handle a grumpy or two, eat a lunch. And then I'm at 1-104-105. I'm trying my best, Doc, but I'm excited for this conversation tomorrow. Yeah, it should be good. We can ask him i just want to know how this may if he's given any thought to how all this covet 19 situation is going to affect sports i don't know if he's he's been asked a whole lot about how it's going to affect the sporting world moving forward so he doesn't think this is a real thing is that what he's gonna say he thinks it's a real thing okay okay okay but why are we speculating on what he thinks i don't know what he thinks i don't know

anything about dr drew other than he was on mtv i'm pumped to talk about him and you're obviously not you've said multiple times how you're not you're not pumped you actually run the tape back you said i don't really care if you're on here or not. Well, that's what I just wanted to let him know. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, hey. Well, then that's how we start out the interview tomorrow with Dr. Drew then. That always butters up the guests and makes them feel good about themselves.

Oh, no, no. I will butter him up as much as I possibly can. I grew up with the guy. I grew up with the guy. Is he a real doctor? Yes. Yeah, he is a real doctor. Or like a college doctor.

He's not a fake doctor. He's still a practicing doctor, yeah. Yeah, he's an actual doctor. All like a college doctor. He's not a fake doctor. He's still a practicing doctor, yeah. Yeah, he's an actual doctor. All right, I can't wait to talk to him. I'm going to tell him immediately that I'm excited to talk to him. I don't know why this all of a sudden became a thing, like a 10-minute Dr. Drew chat, speculating on what's going to happen. Because I'm just thinking about how this show has to start immediately

at 1 o'clock tomorrow, and it's because Dr. Drew has things to do you know he's he's a busy man he's got a lot of stuff to do which i appreciate and respect but now he's now he's forcing on feel good friday on feel good blame me if i mean just tell me if i'm stupid here if i'm ignorant if someone tells me hey they reach out in the text and say hey can you come you come on my show? I'm saying, sure. When is it? When do you need me? Well, the show runs from like 1 to 2.30 usually, any time between then. Great. I can do 1 o'clock.

Okay. That's my fault. That's not exactly like demanding certain things. I agree. How long do we have with him? Do we know? I don't know. 15 minutes.

Does he have a rider? Yeah. What does he need? Does he need Skittles, M&Ms? Yeah. I'll fax his rider over to you guys. Perfect. Do me that. rider yeah what's he need does he need skittles m&m's yeah i'll fax his rider over to you guys perfect i do need the call-in number that i you seem to not be able to text back to me oh my god is it a facetime no it's just audio no is he dead i don't know we need a doctor

all right aj thank you so much for today man that was awesome thank you fun show can't wait till tomorrow dr drew your favorite guest coming on one o'clock p.m sharp right here youtube.com forward slash the pat mcfee show myself and aj hawk ohio state legend super bowl champion will be interviewing dr drew of mtv yeah mtv of which he hasn't been there in probably 18 years but yes dr drew a rid back in the day of mtv yeah oh yeah yeah dr drew though is a doctor a real doctor and a great mind on the covet 19 conversation and we will talk to him about how this will affect sports and sex life his name is david dr david drew live tomorrow one o'clock eastern standard sharp on the phone won't be able to see him. Could be

an impersonator, but we'll still have the brain of Dr. David Drew. Pinsky. Dave Pinsky. What? Dave Drew Pinsky. He's a doctor with his middle name? His last name is Pinsky. Is his middle name Drew? I didn't know that.

Yeah, his real name is Dave Pinsky. I think I live next to that guy. Classic DP. All right, so Dr. Dave Pinsky will be joining us tomorrow at 1 o'clock Eastern Standard Time sharp. By the way, this could be a big interview. We could get some real answers out of Dr. Drew Pinsky. Like what?

What's he going to tell you that's groundbreaking? I don't know. Maybe he'll hear something from the FDA and maybe a doctor will have created something, like what what's he gonna tell you the groundbreaking i don't know maybe you'll hear something from like the fba fda and maybe like a doctor will created something a pharmacy was vaccine a vaccine or something maybe that'll break on our show at 102 we can all hope you can hope with one hand and shit in the other see which one have what's that saying that That's a saying. That is a saying.

Everybody knows that's a cliche. AJ, you've heard it from a coach. Please finish it. You can hope in one end and shit in the other. This show's over. Run the thing. And what, see what happens, see which one Do good, play good.

Play good, play good, play good, live good, live good, die good. Being joined by a man who's a two-time, two-time Super Bowl champion. His house looks like that of Caesar. Ladies and gentlemen, ESPN personality, Damian Woody. Hey, I'll tell you what. All the boys are excited to have you on, man. What up, Pat? Hey, I'll tell you what. All the boys are excited to have you on, man.

We've been wanting to have you on this show for a long, long time, D-Wood. Hey, man. I'm glad to be on it. Kick it with you guys. Hey, that house, whenever it showed up in the backdrop Olympics of the ESPN Sports Personalities, immediately took over. Where is that thing? And how many square feet does Damian Woody live in? Well, listen, this is my office slash library.

And, you know, my wife and I, man, we have seven kids. So we need a lot of space. I understand. We need a lot of space to hold it down in here, man. So we're sitting pretty plush, man. So we've been here, man. So we're sitting pretty plush, man. So we've been fortunate, man. But the cool backstory about this office, man, is the previous homeowner,

he collected antique Bibles, like Bibles from hundreds of years ago. Like Jesus wrote. And so this was the last addition to the house before he passed away. So he did a hell of a job. Yeah, I would say. By the way, so did you i mean so did you congrats on a beautiful place it looks incredible you see your lineup in the background there of your jerseys and also you see the painting that seems conveniently

placed right there over your right shoulder tom brady obviously a big topic of discussion right now was a teammate of yours super bowl champion with him he is a guy that ended up in tampa bay nobody saw it coming jason light said on get up that uh mike greeny a friend of ours that tom was pitching himself to tampa bay basically at this point he had been turned down by tennessee he'd been turned down basically by the Niners. The Colts picked Phillip Rivers over him. Carolina picked Teddy Bridgewater. These are all things that he could potentially say.

He was selling himself to Tampa, and obviously the Patriots wanted him out of there. What do you think the state of mind is for Tom, and is he going to play better than he's ever played next year for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because he's so pissed off? Well, Pat, you've got to understand one thing about Tom, man. As many accolades that that tom has and we could go on for days of all the accomplishments that he's um had in his league for 20 years

playing with the new england patriots he still views himself as a six six round pick 199 pick in the what is it 2000 nfl draft like that's crazy like i have too much ego to really have wrapped my mind around that if i was if i had the accolades like that shoot man like i have too much ego to really have wrap my mind around that if i was if i had the accolades like that shoot man i wouldn't be thinking about the sixth round i'm i'm big baller baby but tom is uh he's the type of guy man he's always looking for the next challenge and i think that's what what drives unique athletes the tom Tom Brady's, the Tiger Woods, the Michael Jordan's, they're always looking for the next. And I think with Tom, he's accomplished everything that you could possibly accomplish in New

England in 20 years. So I think everyone always wanted to know who's responsible for the dynasty in New England. Was it Bill Belichick or was it Tom Brady? And we're going to get a glimpse of that this year. What do you think? Listen, man, it's both of them. I can't – everybody asks me all the time.

It's hard for me to separate the two. Bill developed Tom, but Tom played the game at the highest of levels. You saw it up close and personal, Pat. The way this dude especially in crunch time play being in that huddle with him we i knew we were going to win i knew every time i stepped on the field with with tom we were going to win because we were more prepared and we had a guy quarterback who just had a killer instinct that's what everybody thought by the way whenever he got on that field uh in the playoffs with what a minute 20 left or something like that down whatever it was and it ended up being a pick

six is his last play ever as a new england patriot ever yeah and there was a lot of conversation of he will not let the pick six be his last play as a patriot or whatever or anything like that i think he was moved on from the patriots i don't want to say that he wasn't giving his best effort last year because I think he was. Tom Brady's a competitor. There's no way he's not going to go out and show out whenever he's on the field. That's just because he views himself as a six-rounder.

I think he was mentally preparing that this was his last season as a Patriot in the middle of the season. Now, he said it didn't happen until after his visit with Kraft. Do you view that the same way? I think this was kind of like, I'm getting the hell out of here. I got to go see if the grass is truly green or somewhere else after this. Absolutely. Pat, you got to understand the last deal that he did,

he put it, he put in his contract that he couldn't be tagged. He couldn't be tagged again. So if you put that in your contract, aren't you already kind of thinking ahead? Like, all right, I'm putting the expiration date on the patriots and i'm looking forward to something else after after my time with the page so i agree with you man i think during you know even before last season i think his mind was already set on you know what it's been great it's time for me to move on i think so too let's talk about moving on to carolina panthers kick cam newton out of the building

they're paying teddy bridgewater the same amount that they would have paid Cam Newton deciding with Teddy because Joe Brady's history with Teddy and the Saints and whatever the reason is now Cam Newton's on the street the Chargers if you listen to Orlovsky talk are not interested in signing Cam Newton I think every single night whenever Cam Newton's putting out videos on his Instagram or on his social media trying to control the narrative, I think he is primed for, just like Tom Brady, a revenge-like season. But it feels like there's not a lot of landing spots for him. What do you see happening with Cam Newton?

And are you appreciative of him posting these workouts, basically talking about how the Carolina Panthers pushed him out of the building? Yeah, listen, first of all, I appreciate Cam Newton speaking his own truth because, you know, in this age of PR, a lot of these NFL teams, they want to control the narrative. So kudos to Cam for pushing back on the Carolina Panthers, making it seem like they were both – this was a minimum on both sides that they both wanted to trade.

Cam Newton was like, hell no, that wasn't my idea. That was all on you guys. So kudos to him. But I've always said, man, when I thought about Cam Newton possibly being available, the Los Angeles Chargers made too much sense, man. Because, listen, the year that Cam Newton won MVP back in 2015, he had nowhere near the personnel that the Los Angeles Chargers has on their team right now. You've got a good tight end, Hunter Henry.

You've got Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Eckler in the backfield. And we're not even talking about on the defensive side of football where they've got great personnel. And I just figured the Los Angeles Chargers moving into a new stadium. You know, business is always mixed with football. They needed a headliner moving into the new stadium. But I think the biggest thing that's holding us back, in my opinion, is the fact that all this chaos going on this offseason with this whole coronavirus.

Everyone is just looking to say, you know what? We can't even get into our building. We need as much familiarity as possible within our program so i think that's why anthony lynn said i'm gonna stick with tyrod taylor because he's he's in the building he knows the system and we just can't risk having to reteach someone this whole offense with everything that's going on this offseason yeah so that is what they're saying by the way they're saying they're moving on with tyrod Taylor. Everybody's expecting the Chargers to either make a move in the draft or draft a quarterback and kind of build for the future.

I think this offseason has been an insane one, obviously not just football because the big names that were on the market, but also obviously because the world we're living in, you can't really physically or mentally check Cam Newton right now because he can't travel, can't do anything like that. This offseason, though though might be even more crazy if what adam schefter said on get up just yesterday or yesterday or two days ago is accurate have you i want to play this clip so everybody hears it but i'd like your reaction on this damian woody this would be wild i don't know how they would pr spin this if this was to happen

and schefter when he speaks i mean you automatically assume that Schefter has heard something from somebody in that brain and then he's either as a pundit formulating his own opinion or he's informing people of what he's been told I mean there's two different Schefter on get up and Schefter on Twitter are an interesting you're trying to kind of separate like okay is this inside information or is this Schefter's opinion and if it's his opinion who the hell is he getting this information from so you have to kind of bounce it out. Listen to what he said on Get Up, though, here, D. Wood.

A lot of these free agent deals that have been entered into, the agreements, they haven't been signed. What's to stop a team from drafting a player it didn't expect to be available at a certain spot

and then rescinding the offer to the free agent that it made because it hasn't taken a physical and a signed contract. We may see a little chaos. This is all still playing out right now. It's going to go in ways that we don't expect. There's a lot of tentacles to this that we still have to see how they develop and play out.

The tentacles, D-Wood, are all out there right now. The octopus of COVID-19 quarantine is locking it down. That would be an insane move. I don't know how you would PR move that if players had a chance to, not a player, if teams had a chance to say, nah, that deal is worth nothing. Sorry, we're moving forward. You're back on the market. That would be a wild time.

Yeah, Pat, man, this is like the wild, wild west that we're in. We're in uncharted territory uh because of how you know this virus has shut everything down we don't know how teams are going to go about operating um it wouldn't be the first time that a team has rescinded rescinded an offer we've seen it with the with the franchise tag before yeah i think uh josh norman had his tag had his tag rescinded from the carolina panthers that's how he ended up with the Washington Redskins. So we could see a lot of that happening this offseason because if you're able to draft a guy to fill a need

instead of paying a veteran big bucks, teams might look at that and say, we're trying to control cost. So why not rescind it if we're able to fill a need through the draft through cheap labor? A lot of people have, you know, massive contracts that they've allegedly handed out. If somebody falls to your lap in the draft and you're sitting there and you're like, yeah, I mean, we did pay Robert Quinn $60 million, but did we? I mean, that is a wild scene.

Speaking of a lot of money and a franchise tag you just talked about, it is being reported that Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys are not contentious but they're not close on a deal. It is alleged that Dak Prescott wants a four-year deal.

The Cowboys want a five-year deal. I would assume numbers are also involved in this thing. They offered him a franchise tag that if, depending on whose number you look at, it's either 28 million next year or 33.9 million next year, depending on the swing of whatever the salaries are.

I found it rather impressive by Dak Prescott. If you can look at a piece of paper, that's going to guarantee you $33 million within the next 12 months of your life and saying, nah, not going to do it. I'm not going to sign that. I want more. And from what it sounds like, he's going to end up getting $35 million a year for either

the next five years or four years. What an incredibly gut-sack move there by Dak looking at a piece of paper saying $33 million and saying, see you later. How do you feel that Dak Prescott-Dallas Cowboys situation is going to shape up? Well, Pat, you got to look at it. Dak has all the leverage here. The Dallas Cowboys dropped the ball when they didn't sign Dak last year. They had an opportunity to avoid all of this if they had just simply stayed ahead of the curve

and signed Dak Prescott last year. But they said, you know what? We're going to let you play one more year and see what happens. Well, guess what happened? He had his best statistical year in his pro career. Now, granted, the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs, but he got better as a quarterback this past season. So now bring in Mike McCarthy, new head coach.

You're the Dallas Cowboys. You have all this chaos going on this offseason, and your quarterback isn't signed. Who has the leverage? You know, Pat, the game of football is all about leverage. And Dak is sitting back right now probably with a fat stogie or something and saying, that's right. That's right.

You got it. You got it. Just make sure you get a little staggered behind that when you do that pass set. But you got to make sure that Dak Prescott has that stoke. He's sitting back right now with all the leverage. All of it. Yeah, you good?

That's it. I like that. You see that pass set right there, D-Wood? Dude, I'm gonna call you Sweet Feet, man. You got Sweet Feet. Hey, D-Wood, who was an animal that you had to play against that you absolutely despised?

Oh, man. Boy, I played against a lot, man. I'm going to tell you what, man. I played against Jared Allen. That dude is, man, he's going to the Hall of Fame. That dude is a boss. He's a boss. He used to do the Hall of Fame. That dude is a boss. He's a boss. He used to do the—

Long arms. That dude knows how to rush the passer. He's the one who ran Dan Orlovsky out the back of the end zone. Yeah. Wait. I didn't want to say it, but I'm glad you said it. I was trying to look out for my boy Dan, but I'm glad you went there. But, man, shout out to Jared Allen, man.

That dude was a boss. Favorite teammate you've ever had? Oh, how about this? Best teammate, aside from Tom Brady, best teammate you ever had? Wow, best teammate. You can do a couple because it's probably, you know. Man, I can't. I'm going to do my whole offensive line with the Jets.

Like in 2008, 2009, we had the same line. It was me, Brandon Moore, Nick Mangold, Alan Fanica, and DeBricka Shaw Ferguson. Those are my guys, man. So, Pat, you know how close. The offensive line is like a team within a team. So, man, we're really close, man. We had a really close group of guys, man.

So, I would say those guys. The offensive line is the most important department of every single team. I mean, I understand you have to have a quarterback that's worth a single damn to win games. I very much understand that. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Are we discrediting partners here?

What the hell is going on? Listen. This is your show. Listen. When we control the field, we're almost unstoppable, you know? But if your defense can't stop the team that you're pinning deep, it does not matter. There was a couple years there where I would pin somebody at the five,

celebrate, have a good time. Two plays, they're on the other 45 the other 45 already it's like well what the hell was i even on the field what did i might as well just took the snap and took a knee and they're back out there i mean it just happened on a very regular basis it was just a punch right in the sack but the offensive line massive ordeal for everybody and it's not a it's not a glory position nobody knows about it you can pay your quarterback however much you want to pay him, but if he's getting absolutely killed, he's got no shot. If you have no run game, your offense has no shot. It's just the way it is.

That's the way football is. That Cleveland Browns team last year had a very bad offensive line, and I think that was one, obviously, microcosm of their entire set of problems. But they bring in an offensive lineman. They have a new head coach new gm knew everything they're trying to do it once again cleveland browns do this on a very regular basis do you think that team who on paper has a lot of talent is ever going to really meet their potential last year was supposed to be their year obviously it didn't happen they're the most penalized team

in documented history so not only were they not playing well they weren't disciplined next year all those good players all that talent new culture new environment maybe a better offensive line do you think cleveland browns play good football next year well listen i always i say last year pat when everybody was on the hype train um talent acquiring talent doesn't necessarily mean you got a a team you know it takes something special special to have a team. And you've been a part of some really good teams in Indianapolis. The coach in the locker room is special. When you're a good team, that's what really lifts everything up.

So I think for the Cleveland Browns, I think one thing that's going to really help them is they got a lot of guys that have played together now. They came together last year. They're going to play together again this year. You know, the Bakers, the Odells, the Jarvis Landrys, all those guys. Now they got to establish a culture. That's the problem, man. When you keep having to reestablish a culture,

your tires are spinning in place. So I think this year, I think they're going to take a step forward this year. Who's going to start for the Patriots next year before we let you go? I am so thankful for your time this morning, by the way. Oh, man. Anytime. I'm going to go with Jared Stenum. Again, it goes back.

Who the hell is this guy? By the way, they're going to clip that right there. If he goes on to be an absolute stud. You saying I'm going to go with Jared Stenum and me screaming, who the hell is this guy? There's this video that we have a Boston kid on kid in on the show here his name's connor massive patriot what up connor hey how we doing d1 okay i'm good baby okay so he's lived in the fairytale world he's 24 years old so 20 years of his life here has been great football there's a

there's a chance that a lot of people have been rubbing in his face that everything's about to go right to trash land but now he is 100 100% sold on this Jared Stidham because Bleacher Report put out a video calling him the king of Friday night lights in Texas, this Jared Stidham guy. I don't think I know enough about him. And it feels as if Belichick, Josh McDaniels, and the boys are like, we're ready to go with Jared Stidham, whether or not Tom Brady wanted to come back or not.

It almost feels like that was going to be the transition. It feels as if they're potentially going to put together a half-decent season next year do you agree well listen i i for everyone thinking that the page is going to fall off a cliff i think they're sadly mistaken when you guys are when you got the greatest head coach in team sports history coaching that team they're going to be in the mix they're going to fall back there's no question about that but i think jerry stenum, you got to remember this dude was ridiculous

in high school in Texas, went to Baylor and was balling. Then he transferred to Auburn and he really didn't fit that system at Auburn. I think he got kind of lost in the shuffle a little bit. Now that he's been in the Patriots

system going on his second year with Josh McDaniels, the talent is there. If they can just upgrade the offensive talent, which they didn't do with Tom Brady, if they do that, he has enough around that team to really make some noise. Where's Jameis Winston end up?

This morning on ESPN, there was a conversation of him potentially going to the Patriots because the Patriots have no money to spend on anybody. They're thinking Jameis isn't going to get many offers, so maybe that's a place for him. Where do you think Jameis ends up at? I don't see the Patriots because Bill doesn't tolerate guys who turn the ball over a lot. I would like to see Jameis in Pittsburgh.

I think Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense. Playing behind Big Ben, we know Big Ben is like year to year. And for Jameis to be in the building and watch how a real organization operates, playing under Mike Tomlin, taking a year off and just watching Big Ben go to work, I think can do wonders for Jameis' career. And he's going to have to play a couple games because Ben's going to get hurt somehow. I mean, that's just what's going to happen. Ben Roethlisberger, the way he plays, indicates that he's probably going to get a couple games because ben's gonna get hurt somehow i mean that's just what's gonna happen ben roethlisberger the way he plays indicates that he's probably gonna get

hurt at some point during the season james will get a chance to play a couple games i don't know if it'll become a tan hill situation because if ben's gonna be available they're gonna bring ben back in but if something happens to ben and james gets his opportunity that defense almost led them to a playoff last year i mean there is uh that would be a great place to almost take a year red shirt almost. Listen, who would you rather have, Jameis or Duck Hodges? I mean, listen, I love Duck Hodges. Don't you ask that question. That's my guy, Damien.

Wait a minute, was that shots fired? Yeah. That's shots fired. I had a duck call here somewhere that I got. I'm looking for my duck call right now. Take shots at Mason, not Duck. Yeah, take shots at Mason. not yeah take shots at mason roberto okay then that's on me then i'll duck i apologize brother duck i think duck is self-aware

enough to understand the situation mason rudolph though you could take a shot at that guy you know what i mean i mean he got his helmet ripped off yeah yeah hey that's a wild scene i don't know how miles garrett just comes back and plays football. People are going to be chirping him pretty hard for that entire thing, I'd assume. I think he's going to come back with a vengeance. I mean, he had 10 sacks in 10 games last year. So I think he's going to be chomping at the bit ready to go.

Hey, that's something that doesn't get talked about whenever you talk about the terrible Brown season. It's like, yo, they had an MVP candidate on the defensive side of the ball who ended up taking a guy's helmet off and hitting him with it and gets suspended for the rest of the season. That's right. That's all we remember is the helmet. But I'm like, this dude was on his way possibly being defensive player of the year.

And all he did was what? Work out and get faster? That's all he did. Oh, yeah. Man, this dude looked like a titan. Like he was chiseled by the gods, man. Speaking of chiseled by the gods, Damien, that's what you look like. Same with that house. Oh, man you see this this six-pack keg right here you got seven kids yeah

bro i got seven kids i put in the work i saw your big ass on tick tock the other day it was only a matter of time if you got seven kids it was only a matter of time for your big ass on TikTok the other day. It was only a matter of time. If you got seven kids, it was only a matter of time for your big ass to go on TikTok. Yeah, they got me, man. They convinced me. But it was well-received, man. So what the hell else are you going to do in this quarantine? I don't know. I don't know.

I saw you dancing. You still got it a little bit. Still got a little athleticism for the big guy. Well, they caught me dancing bare, you know? So I'll just leave it at that. Ladies and gentlemen, for the big guy? Well, they called me Dancing Bear. You know, so... I'll just leave it at that. Ladies and gentlemen, Damien Wood.

Yeah! Damien Wood, you're the best. Thank you, man. Yeah, no problem, man. What a legend, dude. What an absolute legend that guy is. Well, that's it for another week here. Remember, this might not be the life you chose or the life you expected, but this is the life that we got right now. We're in it together for

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