The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 186 - The Highest Paid TE In NFL History, Austin Hooper, NFL Journalism OG Pete King, & NXT Stud Tommaso Ciampa Stop By For A Chat.. Also, Legend, AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 9, 2020

On today’s show, Pat welcomes in a handful of guests. First, OG sportswriter, Creator of the Football Morning in America column and podcast and NBC Sports stalwart, Peter King joins the show. Peter and Pat chat about the Tom Brady/Howard Stern interview and whether Peter was hearing anything differently than how Tom explained it, what he thinks the Chargers are going to do at Quarterback, how covid19 will effect this years NFL draft and much more (9:16-32:21). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk, as Pat and AJ discuss the rumor that ESPN is considering moving friend of the program Kirk Herbstreit and Chris Fowler into the Monday Night Football Booth, the UFC continuing to put fights on on a private island, Pat details life in the NFL substance abuse program, and they both reflect on the Senior Bowl (32:23-2:04:14). Next, 2x Pro Bowler, and now the highest paid TE in NFL history, Austin Hooper joins the show. Austin and Pat chat about why drew him to Cleveland, and the culture that new GM Andrew Berry and Head Coach Kevin Stefanski are trying to build with the Browns, the kind of work that goes in to making him great, what it was like going to Stanford, and what he’s been doing during the quarantine in order to keep his body in shape and get ready for next season (2:04:14-2:16:31). Lastly, former NXT Champion, and NXT Tag Team Champion, and more of the most entertaining performers in sports entertainment, Tommaso Ciampa joins Pat and the boys via FaceTime. They discuss his career in sports entertainment, and how the wrestling business has changed over the course of his career. He also details why he wants to stay at NXT forever and why moving to a different brand doesn’t interest him, what its like working for Shawn Michaels and Triple H, and how he has been handling performing with no crowds due to covid19 in an incredible interview (2:16:33-2:32:41). Today’s show is a good one. Be sure to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat while listening to the show for a chance to win some free merch. As always, stay safe out there, we’re all in this together. Come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Well, hello, beautiful people. It is Thursday, April 9th, 2020. The lady, myself, our seven pets in our house, just experienced the purple section of a Doppler radar. This is my first time. This is my first time. My first ever weekend in Indiana. I mean, way back. We're talking OTAs after I was drafted. Seventh round, pick 222. We were staying in a hotel. A tornado siren went off in the distance. I thought it was a citywide fire drill. So what the fuck does that sound? They said, oh, that's a tornado siren. Everybody needs to remain in a lobby. Now, the lobby's obviously filled with windows and stuff,

which is whenever I was in school in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, we didn't have a lot of tornadoes and such, but we were told to get in the hallways because there wasn't a lot of windows. So we were called down to lobby, tornado sound, but we never got into the purple section of the Doppler. There had been tornado warnings before here in Indianapolis, but where I was, I always lived in places that weren't a part of the action. Tonight, I was a part of the action. It was insane. It was wild. It was crazy. It sounded like a train was rolling through the woods.

And then the trees started moving. Then the lightning was insane. It was just lightning inside of a cloud. You know how lightning normally comes from the sky to earth or earth to sky? I forget. There is a scientific answer there. And they might meet meet each other i don't remember what the accurate one i'm not smarter than a fifth grader but i think lightning comes from the earth up to the sky or whatever this lightning was all inside of a cloud that was just rolling from what direction is that? Northwest.

Northwest towards, I don't know, out the back of the house to the right, to the left. And it was just steam rolling in. And it got insane quick. I mean, it was 80 degrees and sunny earlier. One got ice cream in her favorite place. Obviously practiced social distancing inside the store. They had little X's for us to stand on. And the person at the counter waited on the person behind us instead of us first it was kind of an awkward social distancing situation but it was a perfect day and then tonight out of

nowhere toot toot the train's coming through and that train was hail wind i thought twister was gonna i thought we're gonna see a cow flying through the motherfucking sky. Now, we all went down to the basement. It's hard to scrounge up seven pets. It's hard to do it. The four cats, they had to get rounded up individually. And I'll tell you what, they're independent. And these cats are savages, rescue cats. Nova was found in a dumpster at a fast food joint. Teddy's been around a long time. He's got 10 toes. He's fat. He enjoys his life.

Sebastian is this athletic, snooty son of a bitch. And then Scootsie is a three-legged cat that was found under a deck with a busted back right leg and had that for a couple weeks. Obviously, we adopt her. she's now three-legged they did surgery and she's very independent i had to move furniture to get her to get downstairs had to grab her snatch her up almost got clawed to death my lady had to go underneath our bed to find teddy ten toes because he was scared to death get all the cats downstairs get all the dogs downstairs the mouse downstairs took his cage downstairs And then we just hung out for 10 minutes. Tadpoles didn't get moved. Tadpoles stayed upstairs. I'll tell you what, if a tornado came,

those tadpoles would be swimming in another batch of water, not our house, because it felt as if this son of a bitch was going to get lifted up off the ground and taken. I mean, I've never experienced anything like that before. The purple section on the Doppler, I won't let you guys know. It's real. And I've been there before. Luckily, we are safe. The house is safe. I'm not 100% sure what has happened outside the house.

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which I think is going to pay long-term dividends, and I completely appreciate and respect. Sorry I didn't respond to your text. I had to act like I was cold-shouldering you. Yeah, I figured one day we might kiss and make up. Did you listen to that Tom Brady Howard Stern interview this morning? It was spectacular. I heard it was. No, I was out with my dog and I was following it on Twitter as I was walking.

Okay, so let's go through a couple things. He alluded to the fact that he, Kraft, and Belichick basically knew going into last season that it was gonna be his last season as a patriot It was that the story that you're getting all along because there was a lot of chatter there as free agency was kicking off Everybody's like the Patriots aren't trying to keep Tom when it was really it kind of expected I think by all three of those guys that that was gonna be his last season Was that the the feeling up there or in the sources that you heard during the season? Well, Pat, you know, on January 4th, Brady's last game, they played the Tennessee Titans in the playoffs. And at four in the afternoon before that night game, I sat with Kraft, and he was fervently hopeful that they could retain

Brady. Now, what was said before the season, just my belief is that Tom Brady knew before the season, based on what he said today, which I did not know until he said this, based on what he said today, that he knew that he was probably gone. Now, I think a little bit of this, honestly, is that Brady does not always share, you know, even with people who are very, very close to him. And it wasn't until Adam Schefter and Jeff Darlington started dropping the hints during the season that Brady was gone that I started saying, wow, very interesting. I did not know. I have a decent relationship with him, but not the kind of relationship where I feel he would confide something like that in me. Yeah, I think he's probably scared to let that out. I would assume that all parties involved,

even if they had a discussion before the season, let's go with the mindset that this is probably going to be the last, but maybe a chance if we do something good to move forward. I assume it was an open-ended conversation, but the decision was probably made up by Tom. There's another thing you said in there that was very interesting to me. And for a guy that has been dialed into the NFL for so long and knows everybody in there, Tom Brady said there was a lot of teams interested in him in free agency. And to respect to their privacy, he was not going to say anything. Did you know of any teams that had what seemed to be a pretty comfortable quarterback situation

that was thinking about potentially going with Tom Brady? Not teams that had a comfortable quarterback situation, but definitely. I talked to Tom Telesco, the GM of the Chargers, yesterday. And it's on my podcast today. And he admitted that, you know, I said to him, how close did you get to Brady? He said, you'll have to ask Tom. And then he said some things that were very filtered and very careful. But it was my understanding that it came down to the Chargers and the Bucs and not only talent,

but location, location, location, appeal to Brady, which, you know, you wonder a little bit about that. Because for years, Tom Brady has worked out in L.A. with Adam Dato and Tom House and the throwing doctors out in Los Angeles. And I mean, he spends time there every year getting his mechanics work done. And so I was just a little bit surprised. I don't know. I was a little bit surprised that the Chargers were not in it more than they were at the end. Yeah, it's very interesting because he talks about being a California kid a lot.

In his Players' Tribune post, he talked about how he grew up in San Mateo and then how the Pacific Ocean was due west his entire life and getting acclimated to the East Coast was a completely different ballgame, even though he's at Michigan. I would have thought that a West Coast team would have been in there. The 49ers was a team that I thought was potentially in the running, and there was a little smoke there, and then ultimately they chose Jimmy G over him.

But was there anything to that? I really think that what we're going to find out someday, and I don't know when, but someday we're going to find out that Kyle Shanahan was really interested in getting Tom Brady and let the chips fall where they may. That's just a gut feeling I have. I don't have anything to base it on. But if they were so totally sold on Jimmy Garoppolo why didn't they just say it or leak it to somebody saying we have no interest in Brady we got our guy they

never said it for a month they stood and they thought and and who knows I'm saying that you know how the media works and basically it's very easy for somebody in the 49ers organization to call a Schefter, let's say, and to say, hey, you can be very confident if you report we're going to have no interest in Tom Brady. But they never did. Is that how it works, by the way? Is that how, like, the Schefters report? Does that? Sometimes.

No, but I'm being serious. That's like a, not a, Lynch talked about it, I think, at the combine. He talked about how Jimmy G is nowhere near his ceiling and he's our guy and stuff like that. But afterwards, there was more smoke coming out

and they never said anything. That is a, they had a lot of opportunities to do so. But is there, and any piece of information I hear from the media, I always wonder

who's that coming from, right? And that's because I've been in a locker room and I've understand and I've saw how it worked whenever Peyton was getting really the whole thing. I really got a firsthand, but not everybody sees it that way. Is it as easy as that as somebody calls and says, Hey, listen, we don't want to

say this because we don't want to look as if we're answering these types of rumors, but you can feel very good if you report this. Well, either that I'm not necessarily saying that they would have called him, but I bet you a hundred dollars that Adam Schefter made 10 phone calls to the 49ers since the Super Bowl to try to find out, just try to find out what was going on inside their organization because that's what he does. And I'm saying that all anybody would have had to do is say, hey, listen, we have no interest. They never said that. And look, I'm not saying Adam is the only guy who talks to anybody inside the 49ers, but I'm saying that the 49ers had a chance to do that. They never did it. And that leads me to believe that there was definitely more than

some smoke there. But in the larger sense, the whole journalism question sense, it's a great example of how this whole thing works at this time of year. You know, when you're trying to find out what some people are doing in the draft. Like, for instance, I believe, based on a couple of conversations I've had, that there are some people inside the Bengals who like Justin Herbert and who like him a lot. And that's one of the reasons why last week in my column I said, if I were the Dolphins and I had a love of Joe Burrow well over the regard I had for any other quarterback in this draft, I'd pick up the phone and I'd call the Bengals and offer them four ones.

Because you never know what they're going to say. You know, the Dolphins have five ones in the next two drafts. They got three this year, two next year. If they traded four ones for, you know, to move up to number one in this draft, they would still have a one, four twos, and Joe Burrow out of these two drafts. So why not? But again, I don't know that the Dolphins feel that way. I'm just saying that if that's the way I felt,

I'd call the Bengals and offer it to them. By the way, if you're the Bengals and you pass on Joe Burrow, an Ohio kid who's already raised more money in Ohio just with his Heisman speech, everything like that, Bengals fans would expect it, by the way, just because that's the way the organization has been. But if you go down to five, Air Bear is still going to be there. And that's probably in their mind. They're like, okay, we're getting picks.

Maybe both Justin Herbert and Tua are there. So it might not be a bad move for the Bengals, but it's only a good move for the Bengals if there's some hard and fast belief in that organization that Justin Herbert's really good. Or Tua, one of those two guys that we're comfortable casting our lot with those guys. A lot of smoke behind people saying that the Miami Dolphins are more into Herbert than they are into Tua.

And then everybody's saying Tua's draft stock is potentially tanking right now because people are starting to question his durability. Two of his surgeries were on sprained ankles, but he did have four surgeries documented in his two years are you hearing from teams that the two a question is a big question and nobody knows what's going to happen on draft night or is this all smoke right now no pat pat i don't know what it is because the dolphins are the cia right now i'm just telling you they're not they're not contributing to any of this but i will only say that mike tannenbaum

who was obviously the gm there before chris greer and remains close to stephen ross um he he went on espn last week and he said i think it would be irresponsible to use a top 10 pick in this draft based on his injury history and the fact that your doctors can't get their hands on him, that it would be irresponsible to take two in the top 10. Now, I'm not alleging anything. In my belief, I just believe if Mike Tannenbaum is saying that, he's saying that surely because it's his opinion. But I also think that his closeness to the organization, I don't know that he knows something or not. All I'm saying is that when I hear him say that,

I believe that I take that a little bit more seriously than just somebody, some commentator saying I wouldn't take him in the top 10. That's such an interesting strategy by you to decipher what information is good and what information is bad because everybody's opinions are formed on what what they hear and what they know so if tannenbaum's coming out and saying something that's like okay maybe he wasn't told this directly but for some reason he feels this way and this is his circle there's obviously a reason to potentially

think that i mean that is a great strategy by use i don't know i have no idea if it's true i don't have any idea if it's true or not. All I know is that when Mike Tannenbaum says something about the Dolphins, my ears perk up. That's all. Has anybody said anything about the Chargers that make your ears perk up? Do you think they're moving? You talked to Tom Telesco. Everybody, Tom Telesco, who's

with the Colts, he's the reason why I was a Colt. I'm a big fan of Tom Telesco. He has said after the Tom Brady running, they were out of that, that they're going to move forward with Tyrod Taylor. Anthony Lynn likes Tyrod Taylor. Everybody that's ever worked with Tyrod Taylor said he's a pro's pro. He's in there early. He's out there late. Everybody says that. Are they going to get a young quarterback? Cam Newton's still on the market. Was there ever thought about that? What do you think is happening with the Chargers? You know what's interesting about Telesco, who I have great admiration for, and I think obviously he sat at

the right hand of Polian, learned personnel, all that stuff. And I've always thought of him as maybe not a John Schneider in terms of, I'll go do whatever it takes. But the interesting thing about the Chargers, Pat, is that Tom Telesco has not made a draft weekend trade in the last two years. He sat right where he was for every pick. And that surprised me when I looked it up yesterday. But I think if I were to guess right now, I would guess they would take somebody other than a quarterback, that they're going to give Tyrod Taylor a legitimate chance to be their quarterback,

and then they'll see what happens. They have a bunch of needs on that team. They have major offensive line needs. They need a tackle of the future. They could sit there at seven and get a guy like Wirfs or the Alabama tackle. They're going to get a really good tackle at six, rather. And so my gut feeling is that's what they're going to do. But again, I wait to make calls on what teams are going to do in the draft until like late this week and then for the next week. And I'll, and I'll tell you why, you know, I know that the chargers,

they do not finalize their board until next week. And especially because they have not been around the office together and they're just doing a lot of these Zoom things. I don't think that they have decided with any sort of finality how they're going to rank all their guys. So it's one thing. I mean, I talked to him about things like that on this podcast, but he just I and I don't think he's trying to play play play me funny or anything like that. I just think right now they have not made that decision as an organization. Football Morning in America podcast?

Yeah. Football Morning in America. Frank Wright, Tom Telesco, and Ron Rivera this week. It was a good pod. That's a great pod. I can't wait to listen to it. Did Frank tell you anything about the alleged stories that that tom brady was interested in the indianapolis colts and they were all in on philip rivers is there any truth to that you think yes wow yes i think that tom brady uh

wanted i'm not saying he would have gone to the colts but I think Tom Brady, in his fact-finding part of his journey, was interested in the Indianapolis Colts. Now, again, I don't have any idea whether if you give Frank Wright, Nick Sirianni, and Chris Ballard, who are going to be the guys who are going to make that choice, you give those three guys the choice, I can't tell you that they would have picked Brady over Rivers. But the one advantage, obviously, that Rivers has is that not only did he play for Sirianni and Wright for three years, but he's also on a one-year deal. And in being on a one-year deal, if Rivers is playing great,

it's November 1st, they can extend him because he will want to be extended there's no question about it he wants to play more than one year but but the good thing for the colts is if he looks like he looked in the last month of the season he's throwing it to the other team as much as jamis winston does then they'll know that on draft day 2021 they're gonna have to get a guy for the long term future Jameis Jameis always takes Ricochet shots and what do you what do you think by the way he does every conversation that happens somehow Jameis gets like him if I hey listen Pat the Pittsburgh Steelers should sign Jameis Winston a lot of people are saying that I think we read that in your football morning in America blog post I think we actually read it in yours a

lot of people are saying that because he and Ben Roethlisberger are eerily similar in if you watch if you watch advisor ben game against the packers i found out the steelers really are not interested so i mean i'm not i'm not kevin colbert so that's the way it goes but i'd certainly be interested if i were them one year six, and then let's see what happens. I'd much rather have him number two other than Duck Hodges or Mason Rudolph. Don't you say that about Duck Hodges. I like Duck Hodges, but I don't want to play quarterback for him.

Roman Harper was on the show in the first hour, and Roman Harper, not only a great football player, obviously, he loves college football. The way he broke down college football on our show twice was he loves Alabama, obviously. And then I asked him about the draft, and I asked him about Tua, obviously, in a conversation.

And he said, in his eyes, the places that Tua could potentially end up at are obviously the Dolphins, Chargers potentially. And he says, and this would be a wild move could you fathom bill belichick moving up to get to uh with all of his draft picks he has a lot of draft picks and matt patricia confidant of his is at three right there do you think the patriots would ever make that type of move on draft day to get them a quarterback if they're not sold on sit them and even if they are sold on sit them because you got hoyer playing for free basically bring in a potential big name guy see what you got with them

do you think the Patriots would do that or are they sold on Stidham you think no nothing Bill Belichick would do would surprise me and I wouldn't I wouldn't question it either but yeah you say they have a lot of draft picks I'm trying to look it up and I can't right now but you know they they don't they don't have a lot of high draft picks. I mean, I think they got three threes, but two of them are comp picks around number 100. But anyway, I guess my whole point is if you're going to go from 23 to three, four, or five, let's say, and you're not going to go to five because the Dolphins wouldn't move down, but let's say you're going to go from 23 to three. the Dolphins wouldn't move down. But let's say you're going to go from 23 to 3. I mean, that is a tremendous cost, just a tremendous cost. And in order to do that, let's say to a,

hey, listen, when Baker Mayfield was in the draft, Josh McDaniels on Monday of draft week flew to Austin, Texas and spent half a day with Baker Mayfield. I believe that if Baker Mayfield didn't go one and started to slide a la Aaron Rodgers in 2005, that the Patriots would have started around number 10 or 11 or 12 to try to move up to get him. And he would have been in New England right now as the replacement for Tom Brady. But obviously that never happened because he went number one. But I just think the ammo it would take to get into the top three or four would be like almost four ones or something like that. And I just, hey, look, I really like Tua. I don't know how you can't like him, but you said it. Two high ankle sprains both which required surgery you know a

major hip surgery all of those things happen in the span of 13 months i you know that's a he's a tremendous risk in my opinion last question before we let you go and i can't thank you enough for your time here peter um dallas cowboys and dac prescott such an interesting situation here obviously last year they wanted him to bet on himself they didn't extend him they could have they chose not to he had his best statistical year to date now granted they didn't make the playoffs Jerry Jones was interviewed last year on good morning football at a Salvation Army thing they were supposed to be about charity and all it was about was Dak Prescott and he said my hands don't get cramps I'm writing checks and I

just want to win some games so he very much made it clear like I will pay somebody but I'm looking for a winner here do you think Jerry Jones is not sold on Dak Prescott yet or is it because they don't know how he and Mike McCarthy are going to work or is there just real butting of heads in the contract negotiations between Dak and the Dallas Cowboys in your eyes real butting of heads this has nothing to do with the fact Jerry Jones wants Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott wants to be there. Dak Prescott has tough, tough, tough agents who are going to make the Cowboys pay. And the worst mistake the Cowboys ever made is to not be proactive. Quarterback salaries never go down. Never. And so they are paying the price for basically dragging their feet in these negotiations.

I think he's going to play under the franchise tender this year. If I'm Dak Prescott, I am taking a page out of Mike McCartney's book, The Agent for Kirk Cousins, who has made Kirk Cousins more money than almost any player. I bet Kirk Cousins, when he retires, will have made more money than like other than Manning, Eli, Brady, and Breeze. He will. Just look at what he's doing. Every year, he's in the top three or five paid quarterbacks in football. Every year. He hasn't played like it, but every year he's there. And so I think if I was Dak Prescott and I wasn't worried about my health and I like gambling on myself, just sign that tender and play for it.

$33.9 million alongside being the Dallas Cowboys starting quarterback. You're going to get a lot of money off the field. I'm pumped up for Dak to see what happens with him, but that's a big situation. Just the other jerry jones and dallas cowboys released some social media video of him sitting on his couch zooming with jalen hertz and his entire stuff why did they choose to put out the video of him talking to jalen hertz i didn't even know that yeah well i'll tell you this pat you know just very in the last week i've talked to two teams who have told me flat out absolutely jalen hurts is going in the second round okay and he has been thought for a long time he'll go around

whatever 80 90 100 but now if you want him you better pick him in the second round and i think the reason that that is he had a very good scouting combine, number one, but I think people are now realizing what he can mean to a team. And I wouldn't be surprised if a team with a really good quarterback picked him so that that team can start to do some Taysom Hill type stuff. It just wouldn't surprise me at all. I mean, I could see him going anywhere. But I do think he'll be gone in the first 60 picks. How about Cam Newton with some Taysom Hill stuff for an offense if he's a backup quarterback?

The problem with Cam Newton as a backup quarterback is that you need to sit across a table from Cam Newton right now, or you need to look at him on FaceTime and he has to tell you, I am okay with being a tutor and a support guy. I will be Josh McCown this year for your quarterback. It's hard for me to imagine Cam Newton saying that. It just is. And he might, he might be that and he might be really good at it but I need to hear that out of his out of his mouth before I would want to sign him if I had a situation where I was really comfortable with my starter it's interesting because I view Cam Newton as a starter and I think he's gonna of course I view him too and I think he's just in a bad situation like this

just sucks for Cam Newton on my this offseason is the worst thing for Cam Newton I think he's just in a bad situation. This just sucks for Cam Newton. This offseason is the worst thing for Cam Newton. I agree. It's impossible for Cam Newton. And it's not his fault because he has not been Cam Newton for a year and a half. First, there's the shoulder, and then there's the foot. So if Cam Newton needs a job, what he needs to do is he needs to go spend some time with coaches. He needs to go spend a day with Josh McDaniels and spend two hours with Belichick

and to have everything examined by Patriots physicians. And they can't do that right now. And that's the biggest problem that he has. So interesting. Peter King, I appreciate you, man. We read your column. Listen to that podcast with Tom Telesco, Frank Reich, and Ron Rivera.

I appreciate you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, from NBC Sports, Peter King. Thank you, man. Thank you, Pat. I appreciate it. Hey, thanks for blowing me off, Peter. All right. You're welcome.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Have a good one, man. God bless your soul over there. Hello. Welcome to McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. I'm Pat McAfee, the first half of McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. To my left, a handsome man with a shovel face. Looks extra shovel-y today, AJ Hawk.

What's up, Pat? How you doing? You get out of bed all right this morning? I felt good this morning. I woke up this morning. I felt good. I was up in Adam, 645, body weight squats in the bathroom so I can get a grumpy out of me, and I'm going to start my day. Took a nice cold shower this morning. I felt good. I was up in Adam 645. Body weight squats in the bathroom so I can get a grumpy out of me. And I'm going to start my day.

Took a nice cold shower this morning. Maybe that was a little change it up a little bit. Maybe a little cold shower. Like that Wim Hof guy. Guy. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know Wim Hof. Yeah, he's great.

Is he? I've tried my best to do his breathing things. But he says you can hop into an ice cold water and you won't change at all yeah or you know what you should do is it's kind of like a fad thing going around wim hof says like to to ease into the cold water situation because his wimp swims underneath the ice he does all kind of stuff is just end your shower with like a minute of as cold as your shower will go. I didn't get that message. I went for five minutes in the chilly water there. Lost the guy downstairs a little bit.

Had to bring him back to life. But I feel good. Great day today for a good sports talk with A.J. Hawk. A lot of things circulating in the news world, A.J. Kirk Herbstreet, our boy, and Chris Fowler, that push for them to get Monday night football is a real one, and I think it's actually going to happen. A.J., how do you feel about it?

We talked to Kirk last week about it. He said he loves college football. He likes the NFL, but he loves college football. It's his dream job. He has it. He said even if he does Monday night football, he will stay with the college football ranks. I think there's a lot of college fans that are scared they're going to get

a different crew, a different duo, because they love Fowler and Herbstreet. And from what Herbstreet told us, that is not the case. Even if he does get Monday Night Football, he's saying he'll still do college. That's a long weekend for Herbie, but if anybody could pull it off, I'd assume it's he and Fowler. Yeah, he could do it. Kirk kind of does everything. He has a crazy schedule going from game day and then a lot of times

flying to the biggest national game that he does every single Saturday night. But I think when you see people online that are upset about this, the nationally, like the biggest national game that he does every single Saturday night. But I think when you see people online that are like upset about this, that they're rumored to be there, isn't it just college fans that are worried they're going to lose Kirk and Fowler from the college game? 100%. It's because, I mean, Fowler and Kirk do a great job on that Saturday night game. And I think the college football fans are smart. They've looked around at other, you know,

presentations of the game and maybe other college football announcers. And they've been like, hey, these two have been a God. One person I saw say they're a godsend to college, a godsend to a God-like culture, which is the college football. So it's, I think Kirk loves it because he's not only great at it,

but he loves college football. And I think Kirk loves it because he's not only great at it, but he loves college football. And I think Fowler is obviously that guy who just does so great with Kirk. If they were to pick up Monday Night Football, I think all of a sudden ESPN has a key number one booth that they could potentially viably get another Super Bowl because that's a big deal for the Super Bowl bidding with which network has a booth that could handle the billions and billions, maybe not that much, but hundreds of millions of people that are watching worldwide.

You don't want to embarrass the network with a booth that isn't up to snuff. And I think that is a booth that could potentially land a Super Bowl, to be honest with you. I think they're good. I think they would be great at it. Yeah, I think it'll be an interesting transition for Kirk. I mean, obviously he still says he wants to do all of his college games, but like he told us on this show, I love college football. He absolutely is obsessed with college football.

He says, I like NFL football. He watches for guys that he knows and whatever, but he doesn't, I guess right now, could completely love the NFL like he does college. I think if he actually got that Monday night game, he would probably grow to really love the NFL like he does college. I think if he actually got that Monday night game, he would probably grow to really love the NFL game as well. And if ESPN or anyone else is worried that they wouldn't do a good job, I mean, I don't think that's an actual –

we know how professional Kirk and Fowler are. They're going to put on a good presentation. Whether people like it or not, I don't know. But they're still – man, they're really going round and round trying to figure out that Monday night booth. Dude. First it was Jason Witten. We got our guy, Dallas Cowboy.

Then it was Booger. And for whatever the reason, not because of me, but people said things, he's out. Then they try to make a play for Tony Romo. Who's the hot man? They're not out yet, though. Booger and Tess are still technically in the booth. They haven't told them they're gone. Nah, come on.

They know it's a weird spot for them i agree aj don't be pulling out of here i'm not saying they're coming back i'm saying they're not they haven't technically booted them from the monday night booth yet if i'm booger mcfarland joe tessitore and after trying to get tony romo they're gonna pay him 16 17 million and then trying to trade for al michaels and get Peyton and Drew Brees. And now it's just... All for Drew Brees, a contract next year or the year after that. Whenever he retires. Anytime you retire, Drew, this job is sitting here waiting for you

making 10 mil a year. At this point, if you're Booker McFarland... Now, granted, there'll probably be... I mean, granted, who knows what's going to happen with this thing. I mean, there's been weirder things, but it'll be a new booth, I'd assume, to be the stopgap in between whenever Drew Brees is supposed to come. And if it's Herbie and Fowler, by the way, that's

a good stopgap because they can just go back to college football whenever you get Drew Brees. And who's saying Drew Brees is going to be great? We like Drew Brees a lot. I like Drew Brees a lot. Ty's opinions withheld here, but who knows if Drew Brees is going to be great or want to do it two years, three years down the road from now. But if Booger and Tess are up there for that first opening week, after all of this that has happened,

if I'm Booger McFarland and I get on that telestrator, I'm drawing a big dick and telling everybody to go fuck themselves. Literally, I think I'm even saying it. Like, come on, man. Get the hell out of here. I mean, fans' reaction to booger mcfarland and joe tessitore's booth was not what my reaction i thought they were a good booth i i enjoyed it i thought it was good games but a lot of people a lot of people said that they did not enjoy it which is why we're in a situation that we're currently in but if i'm booger mcfarland i've

already been buried on the internet now you're doing a whole do-si-do, throwing up $20 million a year potentially to other people who've never done this gig before. And then I just fall back in. It'll be very interesting. I think it'll just be very interesting if I'm Booger McFarlane. By the way, Booger McFarlane, Joe Test Store, much more professional than I am. That's probably why I would never get the gig. But if they do it, they'll go out there and do another great job. Maybe people won't like it.

But that is a wild scene that you can't find somebody to fill the Monday Night Football booth. That is a crazy time that we live in. They have multiple ESPN employees that they could put in there. I guess they're just trying to find out what the right fit is that you've got to have. Like, Louis Riddick is a guy that's openly tried to get the gig. But does Louis not have the name value that they need? Dan Orlovsky would do a great job, but he doesn't have the name value they need. It has to be like a big blockbuster name for that Monday night gig, I guess.

Keep going. Who's after Dan? AJ, what about another – I'm not really an ESPN employee. You told me you're like an independent contractor with ESPN. That's the only reason I didn't add you in. Pat, obviously you're my number one choice to be the color analyst. AJ, I want you to be next to me, by the way. No, I don't want a three-man booth. I don't think that's, I don't want a three-man booth.

I just think it's too much. Maybe in the NFL you can do three-man because there's more time in between plays, but three-man college booths, as you know, you work, but you have a good relationship with Hasselbeck and Adam, so you guys can work it out. But, you know, a lot of times in the college games, there's like 12, 15 seconds between plays. Like there's not enough time for all three guys to chirp and say something. Well, imagine whenever you're also on a – what's it called? What was it called? Remy.

Remy. Remy, which is a remote broadcast, which means the production is being done back in Connecticut. So they're sending the stream is that what your thursday night games were oh yeah so they send it there so the tvs that are in front of you are actually six seconds uh behind like so you can't look at the tvs you can only call what's happening on the field and then if they go to a replay you can't see it because you're if if you're talking that's how they do the remotes work like i've never done a remote like

that can't look at the tv The TV's six seconds behind you. Like, you can't... You literally can only call from what you're seeing. I'm a reactionary guy, too, by the way. So it's like, you know, the replays I really thought would be my strong suit because the little things I'd notice in the background would be like, all right,

this is where I'm going to crush. And they're like, oh, by the way, about the replays, you won't see them. We'll tell you what the play was and you'll have to voice over it. It's like, all right, this is where I'm going to crush. And they're like, oh, by the way, about the replays, you won't see them. You'll just have to kind of, we'll tell you what the play was, and you'll have to voice over. It's like, whoa. Do you remember we almost did a Zeno production where you FaceTimed the truck to try to get the live feed? Like, that's the only way you could get a live feed.

Legit, if we were to FaceTime, so I was trying to, they've been doing this for a couple years because it saves a lot of money. They don't have to have trucks at the thing. It saves like an abundance of cash. And the show can go on the road, by the way. And by the way, I think it's a very smart business move to do so because I heard the exact amount of money that they've saved with it. I was like, yeah, that's a smart move to do it.

But as a commentator, it's tough. It is a tough scene out there. Because the only place I've learned, because I got rejected from the broadcast boot camp three times, the only place I really learned how to do commentary was from michael cole in the wwe and they only commentate off of the screen they like hey what people are seeing is what you should be talking about so here is what you should be talking about and this was the complete opposite like don't even look at the screen who cares what they're seeing because you're six seconds ahead of them anyway you shouldn't even

have the screen in front of you then if it's six seconds delay i did so you're pro there's always like a program monitor that is going out to what this is what the people see yeah on tv so you had a program monitor but it was six seconds delayed because of the feed yeah so you could see it like for rules or something like that you know like if it was a close catch and went to review we could still watch it right we could still watch it right we could still watch it but we would be behind so it'd be interesting because everybody at home potentially could see that it was a catch and then you go right behind him like oh it's definitely a catch and like yeah you idiot like we got that like five that well he literally couldn't see it

so that was an interesting i've learned a lot about this world honestly i've learned a lot about well you guys you guys did a good job because i watched and i i did not know that it was remote broadcast i know a lot of different sports are going to that there's full remote broadcast that they've tried to where the play-by-play and the color analysts like are in a booth in connecticut for nbc or whatever and they're watching on screens just doing it from there yeah they they do that with a lot of international coverage too right like international coverage you just watch the stream and commentating and then it's kind of sent out all over the place interesting stuff no telestrator obviously and you can't with those streams where you're just talking over stream you can't control the replay and ask for shots and

stuff like that which we could still do by the way that's the i mean it's a i was real excited for the telestrator no telestrator i was real excited for the telestrator no telestrator I was real excited for a telestrator on a replay too let's check out this guy so did you guys not use a telestrator no no telestrator I had a telestrator in high school games I did that's I don't know why I mean I get it they've got to be able to find a way to remote broadcast that but let you still kind of have everything you need well you'd be drawing on something the time because it's it's already it's already passed it sends and then it sends it back to wherever you're at so like when we're in stanford that was getting sent to connecticut

and then back to us and that's what we were seeing it's insane how technology works it makes no sense yeah especially in the year 2020 right now, they got to find a way to cut that six-second delay down. 2019. Not to mention, you guys were in a booth the size of a port-a-potty every single week. Yeah, there was a couple. No really small booths.

No air conditioning, three of you. It was tight up there. Hey, you know what, though? I got a chance to call games on his pen that's pretty awesome moment probably never do it again nah i bet you will they need you a lot more than you need them you know that's what you would think aj but that's just not the case the uh the how do you feel about the mlb making a turn here and making a play trying to make phoenix arizona a biodome like Old Weasel used to have.

What a good movie. Great movie. I love that movie, too. You ever seen the movie The Pest? No. Dana White started to do that, but we'll talk about that in a little bit. But the MLB, I like the MLB trying to make this happen. I really like what they're trying to do. Basically, in their concept, there has to be a lot of things that have to happen for this to happen they said there has to be a plentiful amount of tests so that they

don't feel like assholes whenever they're taking tests because they're going to have to test their players so they have to get to a point where there's a lot of tests and everything like that they want all their players of every team to go to phoenix arizona and then with all the stadiums that they have because spring training's out there the players will show up at the stadiums play the games and go right back to their apartments they're in quarantine away from everybody basically with all the stadiums that they have because spring training's out there. The players will show up at the stadiums, play the games, and go right back to their apartments. They're in quarantine away from everybody, basically, except for baseball, and they'd obviously broadcast that and everything.

I like that they're trying to figure out ideas to kind of make their season work while this is all happening, but I'm just not sure it's ever going to happen because if we're ever at the point where we have enough tests and everything's calmed down, you would think the regular world would be back into it. But I like that the MLB is trying to be forward thinking here do you agree yeah i think it's good that they're trying to come up with a plan for because we never none of us know when anything is going to happen when anything's gonna restrictions are gonna be backed up you know

backed off a little bit but it made me think about these players and managers and coaches and everybody and even so the people broadcasting the game are living in quarantine as well so it's all like their own little city where all these guys live together it might be what you were talking about that last time where a stream comes to somebody in their house and they're just commentating over top of it and it's going out maybe i don't know yeah but the cameramen have to be there they're gonna have to live in quarantine yep unless they do they somehow find a way to do all remote cameras which that's not gonna happen there's a few of them but you can't have every camera be remote. I guess there's like 10 stadiums out there, they said.

They would have been able to do it. I just don't see how. I just think about the players. So the players, you've got to go back to basically living in college. Can you imagine? After a while, I would think it would get kind of wild and get kind of weird with those guys all living so close to one another and not really being able to have

their family come in and out like how does it work do does anyone go with them or is it just strictly the players and support staff passing pass on what's his name jeff passing jeff passing the baseball guy with a good hair on espn he looks like he's 12 but i guess he's a big time mlb guy he said that one particular player he was texting with he pitched this idea to the player and asked him how he'd be. And the player said, I'm supposed to leave my family during a pandemic. That is not something I would really be up for. I'm being locked away from my family, going to Phoenix.

For six months, too. Yeah, for a long time. Four. Four and a half. But anyways, he's saying that they'll get locked away. And Jeff passing or whatever was like, okay, thank you or whatever. And then the next morning, that same player texted him back and said, his wife said, hey, if that's what it's going to take for you to go,

you know, make a living for our family, go and do that. So he texted back like, I am in, by the way. So it was one of these situations where I think whenever you cross that bridge when it comes, there's going gonna be a lot of big decisions that players are gonna have to make here with their families and a lot of these guys are international and everything like that i mean it's a i i like the thought though that the commissioners all had a call with the president this weekend and then this week a lot of announcements have been made right the only people that have been uh kind of slow on an announcement is the nba they're saying

well we're not making a decision until may 1st dana white's like nope we're still having fights we're going to be back on as of april 18th i'm buying a private island and we're going to put two human cockfighters in there and they're going to fight then you see the nfl is like we're doing this and we should be good to go by september wwe's still going so all the i think there was a message of like hey let's try to get things back to normal here any way possible and i think this was the mlb's idea of that yeah i give him credit no you got it can sorry for cutting you off no i was gonna say and then like they're gonna they're potentially adding things that might change the game forever like they'll do electric strike zone so that the umpire doesn't have to be as close to like the catcher and stuff like that and then

on field mics uh with the the players will be mic'd like they were doing during spring training like for tv and that should always happen i think that should be in baseball forever. The strike zone? That and I'm saying mic up some players. Why not? Did we create that? No, we didn't create that. They did that before us. Yeah, at the All-Star game.

Yeah, when they do it in the All-Star game, who was it? Awesome. He's got an earpiece in. He's in the outfield. He's being interviewed by A-Rod or something, and a fly ball comes to him. He's got to go catch this ball in the middle of an interview. I know guys wouldn't really be willing to do that as much they would they don't

want to do interviews during a regular season game i'm sure but i wouldn't i would i would assume some guys would be okay being mic'd up dude we did that for an entire comedic sports documentary the entire thing it was awesome yeah i thought you were good it was fun seeing your interactions with everybody but that's what i think to watch it take out the fact that obviously i was electric and incredibly athletic and all this in a sport that i never ever ever attempted before playing against a guy that was drafted to the fucking royals whatever the case right take that out i think it was an entertaining way to watch baseball if you were to get somebody of influence and actually good at baseball to hear maybe they're talking to themselves right away not a

bad thing to get that little insider insight there i think that's good for baseball and i'm happy to see them kind of pick that up a little bit they were doing it this year a lot i think guy hit a dinger for the cubs or whatever wild mic'd up and i think he even predicted it was going to happen i mean it was like there's a there's a lot of content moments now granted the mlb would have to open up their content restrictions that they have on everybody if they really want to grow the sport back to being a somewhat relevant sport aside from whenever they just have catastrophes and PR happen but I think that's a good idea in that the electronic strike zone that seems like a no-brainer should have been there for a while that seems like now I'm not a baseball we already have it on tv like they already show it on TV, the electronic strike zone.

But I think these baseball purists, they like the potential of an umpire's strike zone moving and playing the zone and stuff like that, right? Yeah, for sure. And even the K zone or whatever that they put up, because the umpires aren't always calling that. I mean, that is a big part of the game, pitching to where the guy establishes the zone.

Yeah, baseball has all these unwritten rules, and one of them is if the big fat stooge standing behind the catcher doesn't know what the fucking strike zone is, let's abuse that and throw him way outside, right? Exactly. Or this guy's strike zone is tiny, and he's letting everybody... I think that's a part of the game that they enjoy. A part of the game that I enjoy is whenever they're all taking steroids

and hitting baseballs out of the planet Earth. So if this doesn't – let's say the Arizona thing doesn't happen. It seems like one of the only spots. Maybe somewhere in Florida they could make it happen. I know there's a lot of spring training down there. There's enough fields. I don't know. But if it doesn't happen, let's say Phoenix falls through,

do they have to go find a way to lease a private island for four and a half months and quarantine the whole league right there like dana white is hey that's what ogs do hey that's what billionaires who have a good time are doing i mean is it is it epstein's island that they're going to be fighting on you think they do have baseball fields there do they i'd probably just guess connor this guy big baseball what i mean i'm just guessing he he has an open microphone back there and sometimes i don't know why things just well because your brain is a magical one but sometimes you say things that are just you know i didn't see any baseball fields when i watched the drone footage oh that they you saw drone footage oh there's drone footage of epstein's island yeah really yeah he's got that weird lookinglooking, elevator-looking building on there.

There's all kinds of stuff. I wonder where that island goes now, or I guess the government. Where is it? British Virgin Islands somewhere? You tell me. Who owns it right now? I have no idea. He's living there.

I didn't know there was a drone shot. Hold on. Did Ty just say he's living there? Who, Epstein? Yeah. Ty just said he's not dead in the bunker. That's what Ty just said. You know dead in the bunker that's what ty just said you know it i don't think we could show it ty said it what the drone footage yeah it's from

like cbs can't you show like uh screenshots there's drone footage of them like raiding his house have you seen the drone footage of uh bieber's house bieber so that's not bieber's right that's epstein's island yes right? That's Epstein's Island? Epstein, yes. You could see where they put the octagon. That is Epstein. Man. You know, I've always thought about retiring and getting an island. That's literally my dream, is getting an island. Well, if they fight it out with the Epstein estate and the government.

I'm not going to buy the Epstein island. You get that one on the cheek. Dana did not out with the Epstein estate and the government. I'm not going to buy the Epstein. You get that one on the cheek. Dana did not go to the Epstein Island. There's no way that Dana White got. But there are a lot of islands for sale if you want to ever snoop around and create new goals and dreams for yourself. And there's a lot of them that have water and electricity set up on it. They're just looking for a new owner, right? Maybe it's a resort business that went under.

Or maybe it was set up for somebody else and something else. And it just kind of went under. He said that they have to get the necessary infrastructure infrastructure set up which i think is what where the octagon would be where they would fight it depends where they're going like does does the island i would assume the island he he's looking at already has power already has water because yes it's april 7th right now this monster fight is supposed to happen on apr 18th. So it has to have all that. I guess, yeah, go set up the octagon, maybe put a couple little trailers up for the fighters to get ready in, like their little green room slash locker room.

I don't know. But, man, he does not have a whole lot of time, especially since he says, as of right now, he's finalizing the deal, but it's not 100% signed and sealed. I feel like he's had this island. I don't think he's had the island. He had to.'s had this island. I don't think he's had the island. He had to. Why would he lie?

I don't think he's had the island. Just sitting on an island? I think he had the venue. The venue that he's talking about for the American fights, I think that was in the basement of the UFC building out in Vegas because they have a cage set up. I've been in there. They have a cage set up in there.

They have an entire training facility. I think it's potentially coming from literally their basement. think the performance center in the wwe exactly i think that is just like what vince mcmahon did dana white is the modern day vince mcmahon whenever he's talking about building up a sport through promotions and everything like dana white if you him and vince mcmahon are eerily similar uh individuals in a way they run their business even to the point where dana white uh is done with people. I mean, he is just completely done with them. And I think that's why whenever any piece of information comes out like this, he is just a, oh, gee, man.

Just like, yeah, well, we were told we couldn't fly the international fighters into America, so I am looking to secure a private island that I already have. Like, just think about the dry erase board in his office, okay? He's like, all right, so we can't get him fucking in. All right, so let's just, the dry erase board in his office. Okay. He's like, all right, so, uh, we can't get him fucking in.

All right. So let's just jot that one out. Can't get him in. Just got off the phone with the president. Can't go in. Just can't get them in. And then it was either him or something like, just get an Island,

just buy an Island. And then he's telling one of his assistants, Google Islands for sale, finds an Island for sale. He's like, bingo, buy it tomorrow. I'll sell this piece of painting that I bought for a hundred million dollars buy the island let's set up the

damn thing he probably had to recheck back with the government by the way like hey there's no i can buy an island to have these people fight on this island that has nothing to do with anything trump's like do whatever you need to do it's a vitsy island we're gonna have fights in our basement fights on these private islands i love love this move. Now, granted, whenever, um, whenever we posted a video earlier from me saying that I love this move by Dana White, just saying, fuck everybody. I am getting a private Island. I'll make my, it's Dana White land. That's, that's where it's a country where I make the rules. We can import, export, whatever the hell we want. Mostly human cockfighters coming in and out. We're just going to have this pest-like island

where people are going to go fight at and sell it. I thought that that was a legendary move. Not everybody agrees with me. There's a lot of people that do not love this decision by Dana White. There's a lot of people that are like, hey, instead of buying islands, why don't you donate that money to hopefully find a cure and end the COVID-19? Instead of doing this, why don't you donate that money to hopefully uh find a cure and end to covid 19

instead of doing this why don't you do that but i do believe that dana white feels exactly how we feel when we do our show every day in the wwe feels aside from i would assume in dana and in that mega conglomerate billion dollar company world there is business to it i feel like he feels as if mma and ufc can be escape for people. And he thinks that his people deserve a little bit of an escape whenever the mixed martial arts come back to life. And that's why he wants to make it happen. Or it could a hundred percent be just because he's a businessman looking to run his business.

Can, while this is all going on. Yeah. He doesn't even have to buy the private Island. I don't know if that's, if, if we know for sure if he bought it or not, he just has to lease it for a little bit.

Like however long, is that how you do it? Is that how you do it? Is that how you do it? You just lease private islands? That's what I would do if I was Dana until everything cleared up. And then if you want to keep it, maybe make an offer to whoever owns the island once this COVID-19 gets all situated. But another option I heard floated out there, it seems crazy. But now when you hear Dana talking about going to a private island, I've heard like, hey, one of these Saudi oil princes that have billions and billions of dollars,

maybe they'll bankroll you to go fight out in international water somewhere on some big oil tanker, some big old yacht. I've heard that out there, too. Oh, imagine hitting one of them waves while you're going in for a double leg. Well, they play basketball on a on a big tank or whatever i guess it's in port when they do it guys couldn't make shit too no couldn't do they couldn't make a single shot now great it was college basketball that's kind of the way it goes but the guys who were supposed to be good shooters weren't even good shooters because

whenever the back is just the sea little windy above deck yeah i will say i'm looking online for private islands there is some ones you can rent. They're very, very nice. They show recent sales. This is for sale. 95 mil. There's no electric. Can you pump it up on the screen? 95 mil with no electric? There's cheaper ones too though.

Maybe it's Necker Island where Richard Branson from Virgin Airlines and Virgin everything. Maybe it's Necker Island. I know he bought an island years and years ago, and now he's developed it. It's super nice for him and his family and people to use, but maybe he and Dana are tight. What's the Tavaoni? On the right? The one down there that has a pool already set up.

That one has a resort and spa. It has electricity, 8.1 acres. How much is that? You have to inquire. It's in Fiji. It's a long flight. 8.1 acres. How much is that? You have to inquire. I think it was... It's in Fiji. It's a line flight. Yeah, but there's also...

There's islands off of like Maine. You know what I mean? But there's nothing there for you. You got to bring everything in. I've looked into islands. Generators, water, all of that. There is very affordable islands that have all of that set up. The only thing that's worried me is their Wi-Fi capabilities,

which Dana White will have to have, by the way way because if he's going to broadcast this to the world that will be the most maybe that's the infrastructure exactly they probably satellite is he going to be able to make money doing this though what yeah is he going to be able to make money doing this i mean he's still paying the fighters he doesn't have any gate like you know you don't have the 12 15 000 people paying uh to buy tickets to the event now the one thing that's that question a bit plus deal right this thing is a pay-per-view event though april 18th don't you think that was that's a bit weird he's making it a pay-per-view and not just letting you stream it if you have espn plus or whatever

well i mean that would kind of go against what i just said there about you know just trying to be an escape for people but wwe at wrestlemania people were paying for i guess the network was but wrestlemania is once a year the ufc has fights almost every weekend now well some of them are big ones are pay-per-view others aren't well that's the plan going forward right he's gonna have fights every single week i'm assuming they're not all gonna be paper are the ones from his basement gonna be pay-per-views no they won't this is just tony ferguson justin gaethje are such monsters it's going to be a pay-per-view that's why i don't know who but i just wonder uh tony i do not know who these two are that's fine you don't have to know who they are but it just it's going to be a great fight those two and then the whole card is actually really good but you got to fly all these

fighters in private you got to have all the the fire health people there checking on everyone. I don't know. Good call by Ryan Freeman in the comment section. Probably just get the Firefest Island. Oh, yeah. Or water. Had a lot of cheese sandwiches. You could get water if you did things. Did Billy McFarland get let out yet

with COVID? He has a new thing he's doing for COVID victims. Billy McFarland. The big cheese dick from the documentary. He has a new thing he's doing for COVID victims. Dylan McFarland. Billy. Billy. Billy McFarland. The big cheese dick from the documentary.

Oh, Jesus. I thought Dylan was the Tiger King's husband. That is Dylan. That is Dylan. He's one of them. Yeah, and then when he said Billy, I was like, are Billy Tubes doing what? I was excited to hear what Billy was doing. He has a new scheme, though.

Who? Billy McFarlane. Is he in jail? Yes. And he's scheming from jail? Yes. Oh, he wants to get out of jail. He's always scheming.

Everything. Like, why do people... Yeah, you finish. I don't know. That Billy, man, he is... I watched both. The Hulu and the Netflix documentary. Oh, yeah.

And what, the Hulu one, I think he sat down and did the interview, and I'm like, well, bud, you did not help yourself at all sitting for this interview. He came off looking much worse, I feel like. Yeah, that guy stinks. And I don't know how anybody – he's the guy you want to slap in the mouth. You know what I mean? Who gives money to that dude? Who can sit and listen to him speak and be like, he's my guy?

Yeah, this guy's going somewhere. As soon as you talk to him, I think the first word out of his mouth, you go, you don't – You know what I mean? Hey, I might have the best rear naked choke of a microphone two of them probably top two rear naked chokes on a microphone in the history of sports media that thing starts talking shit you got to get after him that's right i hope dana white's watching this to potentially make me a media outlet that he will talk to because you don't talk to anybody and i just fucking rear naked choke the microphone out of nowhere i bet we should get dana we should reach out to dana i bet we could get Dana. We should reach out to Dana.

I bet we could get him to come on. I would love to talk to him about his little billionaire private island he's got people fighting on. I would love to chat about that basement battle he's got going on. Basement battle one. I cannot wait. Text him, AJ. Text him.

What were you doing at the UFC Performance Institute? I was in Vegas, obviously. And one of the guys I was with was with somebody that worked there, and I got called up to take a test for the NFL Substance Abuse Program. I was tested on Friday in Indianapolis, okay? So I thought I had the weekend. We're good to go. Let's go to Vegas.

I got Sunday morning, Las las vegas wait were you still in the program oh yeah oh yeah but i thought i had at least the weekend there you know i thought i had the weekend because they test me on friday i was going to pittsburgh on monday right so i thought they wouldn't catch me in vegas because you got to call and report where you go so whenever i left indianapolis i have to call and give them two phone numbers they can reach me at and the address I'll be at. So I said I'm going to Las Vegas, and I gave them the hotel I was going to be at, and I gave my phone number and the guy I was with phone number because they have to be able to reach you so they can tell you that your testing window has opened or whatever.

So Friday night, great time. Saturday night, great time. Sunday morning, like 7.30 a.m., I got a call from a guy. He said he was staying in my lobby of my hotel room and I needed a test and I just got done at like probably 5 30 6 30 a.m so I was there nowhere near had the alcohol out of my system hit up the UFC guy that we knew got me in a sauna over there I went into a sauna and a workout at the UFC thing got a little tour of the place it was nice took the piss see you later off to pittsburgh that's nice i can't believe you made it so you got everything out of your system yeah i was damn near dead i hit one of those assault

bikes they have like an entire they have an entire guys are they're cutting weight for big time fights and you're doing a similar thing but you're not exactly cutting weight you're cutting booze yeah and then i got by the way i got tested in pittsburgh on tuesday so i mean they went on they were trying to get me in that particular they were trying to get me and by the way you're gonna get got you know, you just got to get yours more than you get got though. Did you not think you were gonna get tested when you told them you were going to Las Vegas? Yeah, I just thought I thought there was a rule they couldn't test you. They can't test you back to back days is what I found out because they got me on Sunday. Yeah.

And then they got me on Tuesday. Yeah. So they got me three times there in what, a six-day period. Five days. Eight times a month. They tried to get me, too. And that was like the first time I'd ever even came close to slipping up. Like I was dry sober for like out of the 27 months, I guess 25 months because they had that little spice run, too. But, you know, it was a bad run.

I would not recommend that to anybody. The world realized that a couple years later. But, yeah, that was was a wild weekend and i got a chance to go see the ufc performance center it was awesome the people were very nice and i got all of that out of me i was just house and they had like the super yuppie waters in there too they were super ph level i'm like this will help the piss for sure hey what did so i i know spice sounds terrifying and i've seen some people it's bad call them call the cops on themselves and freak out. What does it do to your brain? Like, what are you?

I don't know. What happens? You're blind, right? I have no idea. I've heard people go blind from smoking too much spice. That's like moonshine. I think if you drink moonshine, it says you'll go blind or something. I think it just takes you to dark places.

Yeah, I think it was just bad. It was a bad run. As soon as I got into the substance of abuse program, I had a teammate, right? He was like, I got you, man. Come with me after practice or whatever. And we went to this store, go down behind closed doors. And it's like, here you go. You want like peach one or what do you want?

I'm like, this one's good. And that first night I tried it because you can't drink. I couldn't drink. I couldn't smoke. I couldn't do anything. And back then that was, that was every night. Basically every night I was having a good time with a lot of people too. It wasn't like I was just like a casual. It every night I was having a good time with a lot of people too. It wasn't like I was just like a casual,

it was like I was having a good time. So I was like, all right, why I can't just go. I didn't think I could just stop cold Turkey. So I was like, I'll do the spice thing. And cause there's a lot of people that are doing it.

And I just got these massive headaches, but for like two, three minutes, you know, there was a little bit of like a, Oh, this is cool. And afterwards you're like, Oh my God, did I just smoke meth right there? I mean, what's going on? little bit of like a oh this is cool and afterwards you're like oh my

god did i just smoke meth right there i mean what's going on so that was like a that was a couple week battle where i'd go like every fourth day or something i'm like all right i'm gonna give this a go again maybe i microdosed myself enough with this potpourri to kind of battle through it oh my god let me get out of here so then i did go cold sober until that they tried to get me though they tried to get me and they did not get me eight times a month 27 months did they test you they they're allowed to test you up to eight times a month did they test you eight times a month eight times a month for 27 months because um when i got told that i was moving into phase two which is the same as stage one or phase one, which is three months long.

I did nothing wrong in the first three phases, right? I lost 15 pounds in eight days, by the way, cleaned first test in a program in phase or stage one clean, by the way, which was, I'll post the picture. It was a miraculous thing that I did it. My entire suspension, I was suspended for a week or whatever. I would jump rope as soon as I woke up with a hoodie on. I would jump rope. Then I'd fall asleep. Then I would jump rope. I lost 15 pounds in eight days, and I got tested clean.

See you later. So for three months, I got tested clean. I met with substance abuse counselors and everything like that each week, which is part of the program. Nailed it. No fails. Did nothing wrong. Was that useful?

Was meeting with those people was it useful or was it just complete waste of time for you my dude was cool he was a cool guy and he knew why he was there and i knew why i was there and it was just i was forced to talk to him he's he's forced to have these conversations with nfl guys on a regular basis but he would ask me like when was the last time you used alcohol and i'm like you don't fucking use alcohol okay you use whatever drugs you you were probably doing before you became this guy that you are currently, you know? Alcohol uses me.

And it used to use me in a great fashion. And one night it got real bad, and then now we're out. But I did everything right for that first three months. So I was like, okay, I aced the test. Get me out of here. And then when it got, I was actually driving back to Pittsburgh to celebrate getting out. Like, I did three months. Here we go. Let's go back to Pittsburgh to celebrate getting out. Like I was, I did three months.

Here we go. Let's go back to Pittsburgh. On my way back, I got a call from Dr. Brown. He said, we've decided to move you to phase two or stage two of the substance abuse program. It's exactly the same as phase or stage one, but now it's 24 months long. And I said, excuse me?

I pulled a car over. I was like, who are you? He was like, I'm Dr. I don't want to say his name over I was like who are you he was like I'm doctor I don't want to say his name I don't want to Dr. Brown is his name he's the head of the substance abuse policy and he turns out to be turns out to be a very good guy but I started questioning his doctorship I was like what type of doctor are you and he was like I'm a psychologist or something like that I'm like that's not even a real doctor damn you I was going after him and that guy I was not nice to him on the call He told me I had 24 months of substance of abuse program.

I was not nice to him. And he made me pay for it. I mean, I got tested the max amount of times every single month. And I reach out to the NFL PA like, let's say, 16 months in. I was like, is there any way you can get this guy off of my ass? You know, like this guy, I'm getting tested eight times a month. I've read the thing inside and out. It's supposed to be a max of eight times.

I've not failed once. I've never missed a test or anything like that. The NFL PA texted me back two weeks later, said, you good? I was like, fuck you. I'm done with it. Is it common for people to like work their way through phase one like you did perfectly and then all of a sudden go into phase two? No.

Yeah, I think everybody does. I think it's just like like a process it is not common for people to get out of this though right by the way if you get into the substance of abuse program there's not a lot of people that get out of it i mean eight times a month they can test you right i got tested at 4 30 a.m in georgia when i was bigfoot hunting one off season i mean it is it is no joke man they will get your piss and afterwards afterwards, I meet Dr. Brown. I have a full conversation with him at the Rookie Symposium. I was like, hey, man, I said some mean stuff to you. And you, by the way, I feel like you got me back.

And I want to let you know I appreciate you or whatever. It kind of helped my life, obviously, and have a good one. It worked. The program worked for you. So you worked the program. The program worked for you. It was a bit excessive i i think it would have won about you know 11 months in maybe 10 months in i mean 27 months is a bit overkill i thought would you still be would you still be on that same pace had you not been in the program oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah for sure i was

having a great time it was a success then yeah i'd say i have a career too i mean it was a tough 27 months though i mean hey also hey let's not undersell how hard those 27 months i was the guy aj i was the guy whenever we go to bars like hey i like two shots for everybody in this place right so whenever i would go out with my friends and i'm just like oh i won't drink everybody acted weird around me they're like oh pat's miserable like he can't i'll be like oh i'll have a red bull or whatever you know they're like uh pat sucks like just take a toll on pat aj took a toll on all of us yeah it's all on everybody man so it was i just locked myself in my room basically in my house kept the kept all the curtains closed lost a bunch of weight

i was gonna go play in the mls went to work Hey, so you know when you guys hung up on me yesterday before you called Drew McIntyre? Oh, geez. Well, you have to hang up to get – no, I'm not worried about the hang up. That's how it works. Okay, because you do hang up on us. Your tone again. Yeah, you do.

Your tone just doesn't go around. Your tone. You hung up on us. It just doesn't run. Your tone. Because we have to. That's how the technology works right now. But no, what happened, I saw a clip of you talking to the boys in between when I was hung up on before I got back on.

And you said, oh, by the way, not a lot of people happy with Dr. Drew. A lot of people coming after Dr. Drew. Bro! You said, he's not happy with me. You said, how can you give him a platform? That's AJ's bookie. We're going to have to talk to him. I got to talk to him.

Hey, real. So you're passing it off to me like, it doesn't matter. It says your name in the background. I know. Pat McAfee Show. Bro, I get all the credit whenever something gets going. And then whenever it's not, oh my God. This is it.

You booked Aaron Rodgers. You asked him the question about Peru. That story went everywhere. I got the credit to Pat McAfee Show. And I was like, no, no. I was actually mad that you weren't taking any credit. And then here it comes, full circle. Dr. Drewky's on the pat mcafee show saying all this stuff and it's like wait a minute if you go back to thursday before we booked him i had some

questions and i will say this dr drew is very nice to us i think he's very straight up with us but there are some people on the internet who are not happy with dr drew they are not happy with that i think he's even put out kind of like somewhat of an apology for where he has come from the beginning of the whole COVID situation until now. He still is going hard at the media saying you're creating panic and chaos. I think he's changed his tune a little bit. But, okay, that's a bigger question. Should we have him on right now? I'm going to put his feet to the fire.

You want to have him on right now? Might as well. Might as well get him on. Will you? We just call him out right now? Yeah, might as well might as well get him on Will you? We just call him out of nowhere. I'd be careful He also filed some copyright claims got some of that other footage that's been floating around the internet taken down for strikes. Yeah Wait, dr. Drew did oh, yeah, he's not striking us. This is a bad magazine. Wait, what do you get taken down? Some of those footage that was chopped together. Yeah, there's a couple of montages. Him talking about how it's just the flu. It's not worse than the flu, blah, blah, blah.

And then how far he's come, like you mentioned. There were footage of that from him from certain TV shows. Those TV shows obviously had that copyrighted. So he strikes the claim. They get taken down off those Twitter profiles and so on and so forth. Let's go back to January, too. We should call, pal. Will you text him and say, hey, can we call

you? Because Pat's getting abused in this entire thing. Zeke has his number. What if Zeke reaches out quick? You want me to call him? Just call him. Just call him and then see if he's willing to come on. Hey, if it's going to go to his voicemail, though, hang up, because we don't need... You don't have to have Zeke call him

off the air and then see if he's willing to come on. Oh, our show rolls the dice, though. I mean, we go. We got to hang up on you to call him. No, we don't. No, we don't have to call him off the air and see if he's willing to come on. Oh, our show rolls the dice, though. I mean, we go. We got to hang up on you to call him. No, we don't. No, we don't. No, we don't. No, we don't.

Dr. Drew is going to be so mad. Oh, cold call. No, I don't. I think he's going to be. You got to tell him he's on the air. That's all you got to do. Hey, Doc, we're live. You came on our show on Friday.

Since then, all I have been is assaulted with mentions about you coming on the show. I would like to know your stance on all these people that are trying to tear you down. That's what my question is. That argument people try to make on how do you give this person a platform or whatever. First off, when does it ever benefit anybody just to silence somebody and cancel? Okay, AJ. But why can't we can't hear? You can't hear like differing opinions if you feel one way or the other.

Like, what is that? You're calling him right now? I thought he was on. I got thumbs up back here i was like i thought he was on i was very pumped you're 100 right though i think we should start listening to people that are i have opposing views as us more so than tuning them out i like to know both sides of almost every single argument i feel like it makes me a smarter person i feel like it makes the better ever the situation better i enjoy that type of stuff but i do not like just getting 400 500 tweets at me this weekend telling me that i i let old dr drew pinsky on the air i i don't like i did not like that i thought he gave us a good interview too so what do you think would happen if you reached out and got oj simpson on the show you think people would be upset oh i would love that i have so many questions he was so reckless with that murder just about his twitter twitter videos or what

well we'll get to that but let's just talk about them that was no answer from dr drew he'll call us back he'll definitely call back oj simpson there's a guy with no self-awareness i've never seen a human lack self-awareness more than oj simpson i'll put him on the that guy that stopped you and told you he did he did the oh in front of the full stadium that guy had a little bit less awareness the mount rushmore of lack of self-awareness oj simpson is the forefront of that he is george in that entire thing it is not why is he laughing in his in his twitter videos why does he laugh so much at himself i'm just saying he's tough dude how they portrayed him with an actor that looks nothing like him

i think was pretty accurate i think he was good in junior yeah tell the truth tell the truth tell me what you can't handle the truth isn't that yeah you can't handle it yeah not tell the truth tell the truth there's truth in there well and OJ, to think about it, no one asked him. He makes a comment about Carole Baskin killing her husband. Tiger Shishimi. Yeah, I saw him say that. I mean, they're coming after me right now for tell the truth. He was in that movie when Tom Cruise stomps on a thing.

Show me the money. I think you're thinking of. You're thinking of. He was a Jack Nicholson. Jerry Maguire. Jerry Maguire. Jerry Maguire. Yeah, but he was also like, he was like a diver in the Navy in one movie too. With Robert De Niro.

Yeah, it's not a few good men. That's what you're thinking of. Yeah. Well, that suit he wore was so heavy. Tell the truth. Are you talking about the CTE movie? Yeah. No, I'm not.

I was talking about you can't handle the truth. Yeah. Okay. Jack handle the truth. Yeah. Okay. Jack Nicholson. Yeah. Jack Nicholson. Right. He's not in few good men.

Looks just like Cuba Gooding Jr. I understand the Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson. That's tough. That's tough for me. Anyways, I smoked. You were thinking of men of honor. Yeah. Yeah.

There it is. There it is. Thank you. He looked nothing like OJ. It was kind of difficult, to be honest with you, to really get into it. But then when I got in the meats and potatoes of the storyline, I was all in. He definitely, I mean, he does not have any self-aware. He's golfing.

He's living his good life. He acts as if none of that happened, by the way. And I'm just saying, with everything, it's like we know that's what you're just saying. And what we've been just saying is like, yo, you're one of the top two most hated humans on earth, like forever and ever. Amen. By the way, do you kind of have to respect OJ Simpson for everything that he's done and gotten away with for writing a book? If I would have done it, going back to jail again for something else, and then coming out and acting like none of it ever happened. Do you have to have some sort of respect for that lack of self-awareness like from oj simpson i don't

know if i have to have respect for it but sometimes i'm like intrigued by it when i see things that people will post on instagram and like that sometimes like man i they just have not a care in the world for grammatical mistakes they're putting out there misspellings like awful looking pictures of themselves like people don't care and i you know what sometimes i do have some respect i'm like i'd be nice to not really worry about anything just put out just misspell everything and just consistently do it over and over again and never have a care in the world they're taking shots at zito right now is that z i'm sorry i'm not on twitter a whole him her call or him calling dawn carol baskin's ex-husband tiger shishimi legendary line and think about when he thought

of that by the way he's like get that camera out i got an idea i'm the question is who are oj's little ball washers that are playing golf with him those are the guys that you got to really be worried about yeah who's filming i mean the dude that was in the Bronco. The Bronco guy. He's ride or die. I don't think that guy's dead. We talked about this before. I think he's alive, but I don't think he and OJ are close anymore.

Remember OJ had a prank show that was going to come out? It was being shot and produced by the girl who did Girls Gone Wild. The guy. The guy got arrested, though, right? I did not know about a prank show. Yeah, there was a prank show with OJ as the host where he would come. Ah, gotcha. And they canceled it?

Yeah, surprisingly it didn't really make it there. Hey, Girls Gone Wild knew people would watch that though. That guy, Girls Gone Wild guy, absolute scumbag, really moved the needle though. That guy. He knows. What did he go to jail? Did he go to jail? Yeah, I think some fraudulent stuff or assault.

I would assume he did something. Money laundering. Yeah. I remember watching what cribs episode he had that house down in mexico that had uh 24 7 room service and i never forget like oh well quickly adding that to the list of dreams it was called juiced juice was oh yeah the juice was that before pranked i don't know. No. It would have had to have been afterwards. How about Kato? Kato Kaelin.

Kato's the man. Big Packer fan. Who's Kato? You don't know Kato? The blonde hair, his house buddy that lived in the little house that the glove was found right behind. He heard the thump. Oh, the surfer dude. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's probably his friend right now. You think that's the guy filming him? Yeah. No. I don't think he and kato are tight anymore i don't know to be honest i'm not sure i i don't know what i had kato on my podcast like three years ago and i think he even said like yeah i think he probably did it we should call him what's his number call him i don't know if he still has the same number he's really busy i think he's still acting a lot and doing a lot of a lot of good work. Did he do any acting ever? I think he wanted to.

I think that's why he moved to LA and he quickly became OJ's house guest. Launched his career, though, after the trial. Oh, yeah. He had a performance during the trial, right? Then he got there. He was a witness or whatever. Did you say a performance? Maybe.

Yeah, he was on a witness stand. He had to get cross-examined and everything you know that glove did not fit glove don't fit can't acquit the fact that if it's accurate that the lawyer was able to go up and touch the glove during the recession do you remember was that accurate during the recession the financial recession what was it no no recess whenever the court is in recess or whatever. Is that what it's called? Yeah.

It's such a childish term to use. I don't know why they do that for someone so old. Grow up. I mean, come on, court system. Grow up. It's fucking stupid. But during recess, I guess one of the lawyers went up there and touched the glove or something. Doesn't he try it on?

Yeah, he puts it on. Yeah, and he said, if it didn't fit my end, there's no way it's going to fit his end. Is that real he he tricked the he tricked darden into getting oj to put it on instead of having them ask is that real is that really happened darden's talked about it yeah yeah i was just so much smarter than a motherfucker i mean that's basically what he was doing he was flexing his it's what won him the case really legitimate johnny cochran uh kardashian's dad was on his defense team he was not happy to be on that defense team by the way it was that guy from friends did it uh did his role yeah david

yeah ross ross played a good kardashian yeah no he was good great what is your problem with ross you don't like that guy that's the worst character of all time that's turtleneck from the show friends hey have you seen turtleneck tone he got this turtleneck in he looks incredible but it's about to be 80 degrees, so he tried to sneak it in one last time here before the weather turns. My voice has never felt so good in a day. Neck is very warm. Yeah, that's like a progressive new age turtleneck, too.

It's not tight. It's loose. It hangs around your neck. It's a wizard sleeve. It is loose like wizards. You look good, Diggs. Hang like wizard sleeve. He's still glowing from his birthday week.

Circumcised? Uncircumcised. Dumb and shovel. Is there anything else for us to talk about? Yeah, there's so much. We got those new Buccaneers jerseys. Oh, did you see these? I was going to say that.

I just saw that earlier today. Yeah. Can we put a picture of these up? By the way, when I seen them, I thought it was great debut, great rollout, by the way. You know, like a hype video for your uniforms. I think, didn't they try to change it before? They tried to change theirs a couple years back. These are it.

Oh, they stink. I don't think that's it. Those are not the ones. Yeah, that wasn't the ones I saw. Those are not them. Damn it. There's a red one, a white one, and a gray one. They look. Those are not the ones. Yeah, that wasn't the ones I saw. Those are not them. Damn it. There's a red one, a white one, and a gray one. They look like the all-star ones.

And the gray one might be their Color Splash jersey. Oh. Color Rush? Their Thursday games? That one, Color Rush. Yeah. It's just all charcoal gray. And I wondered why they didn't go black, and I was like, ah, Tampa.

It's probably hot as hell dressed in all black. But're white the red i didn't see that many differences probably because i hadn't looked at the buccaneers jerseys last year so but i think they look good like i think it's a good looking jersey i think they did good there i mean it's all a money thing you get people now all of a sudden that owned old bucks jerseys they say hell there's new jerseys i gotta get this new jersey and they got a whole new influx of people to buy the new age jersey, I guess. With Tom coming, too, it's like the Buccaneers pre-Tom, the Buccaneers

post-Tom. It's a nice updated look of the Brad Johnson era Bucs. They're nice jerseys. They're good. Brad Johnson, by the way, Claude Christian, here they are. There they are. So all grays are on the far right, obviously. The middle looks the exact same. It does.'s what I'm the white and all white looks exactly change the number like it used to be like the digital clock yeah they had the alarm clock

looking numbers they changed that a couple years ago much to the chagrin of the entire internet it felt like so they kind of took it back old school I like the uniforms I think they're very nice I don't love the color gray much especially because I'm a sweater. I think I'd rather that be black. But in Tampa, it's hot as hell. I would assume the grays for Color Rush and the other two are going to be their home and away. I don't see much of a difference, but I like that they debuted new jerseys. I like that they did it. It gives us something to talk about.

I think it looks good. It also sets this Buccaneers team up to separate itself from the past. And I think this, did you see Tom Brady's writing in the Players' Tribune? Yeah, I saw some of it. Here's one paragraph. Did you guys have that paragraph? Here's one paragraph that I was really intrigued by. He wrote, obviously, in Players' Tribune, which is owned by Derek Jeter, who gave him a 30,000 square foot house to live in in South Petersburg or whatever, South Tampa, St. Jeter'sburg. And all in return, Derek probably asked for it was,

hey, just give me a couple columns in the Players' Tribune. He wrote a long one. It was very inspirational, actually. It's nice to read things that are written by the greatest of all time, obviously by them, not their PR people, which is a lot of the Players' Tribune. He said, for me, playing football isn't going to last another 10 years. In the time left, the question is, how can I keep maximizing what I do, put everything I can into it, make it the best I possibly can? At this point in my career, the only person I have to prove anything to is myself. Physically, I'm as capable of doing

my job as I've ever been. Now I want to see what more I can do. I want to see how great I can be. I want to hear other people say, go, man. Now that's what we've been missing. That's what we need. That's what we've been looking for's what we need that's what we've been looking for deep down i know what i can do i know what i can bring now i want to see it in action that little go man now that's what we've been missing that's what we need that's what we've been looking for is so telling right there on what this guy this guy for 20 years known by everybody is the greatest of all time around this sport just wants to go to a place and in there he also talked about listening to him and hearing him out being seen and being heard and

ideas it's very very telling on how he felt as his time at towards the end there as a patriot and why he wanted to get out and experience something different by the way a lot of success was had the patriot way i'm excited to see brady a free bird out there flying i can't wait to see that guy spread his wings a little bit Well don't you think this is kind of like The hardest Tom Brady will ever go at anybody In this writing And it doesn't

Obviously you got to kind of read between the lines But yeah it makes sense what he's saying When he says that He wants someone to hear say go man to him Like he wants some encouragement He wants some excitement around him Instead of people just knocking him down Just one fucking time I want to hear somebody say way to go tom thanks

for winning a six super bowl what it's about just one time will somebody say congratulations thanks man that's all he's looking for there's been a couple things i think he said kind of in between the lines that would be the most he's ever taken a shot that is one of them and then in his original one he said i very much understand that in this one of them. And then in his original one, he said, I very much understand that in this business of football, it's not what you have done. It's what you'll do in the future and what you're potentially going to be next year.

And your value is what you... He was basically... I think that was a conversation that was potentially had about negotiating for his contract. I think that was something that was potentially talked about. And boy, just like I think Cam Newton is going to be on a revenge tour, somehow i think

the greatest of all time is nestled up somewhere in a 30 000 square foot house learning everything he has to about this bruce aarons offense running virtual plays on zoom with godwin and evans and i think they are going to be really good this year yeah i agree they should be really really good i don't know if they're good enough to to make a run at the super bowl we'll see but man neither because the niners no the niners i don't'll see. But man. Because the Niners? No, the Niners. I don't know. Saints.

I don't know what the Niners are going to be. I'm not 100% sold that the Niners are going to be back. Really? I mean, I think they're going to be very, very good. I just don't know if they're going to get back to the Super Bowl. I mean, that's a lot. A lot has to happen. A lot of things have to fall in the right place for that to happen. Ike Taylor this morning talked about how Breeze and Rodgers are goats, right?

Considered greatest of all time. Well, some of the greatest of all time. Last time Breeze won a Super Bowl, 11 years ago. Last time Rodgers won a Super Bowl, 10 years ago. It is hard to get to a Super Bowl. It is not easy. That's why the Patriots are so special. But I think that Niners team, especially with this no offseason, no OTAs,

probably a shortened training camp and everything like that. I think the teams that have been together the longest could potentially go on the deepest run, and this could benefit the Niners, the Chiefs, and things of that nature. But you're 100% right. The Saints are also coming back full force. Drew Brees is back for another year, waiting to get the Monday Night Football gig.

I think the NFC is going to be interesting. The AFC looks like it's going to be top-heavy, though. Yeah, what all teams do you place in the top of the afc afc yeah other than the chiefs well obviously philip rivers and the colts phil rivers also could be a sneaky very good candidate for a great color analyst whether it's monday night football or something else i I think Phil could be awesome. Oh, I think so too. Spirited, lively, but he has so many kids. That commentator lifestyle, you're on the road, what, three days a week? Well, Phil's rich enough, though, where he can fly in and out private. So he'll go in Sunday game.

I mean, they usually get there to watch practice on Friday sometimes, Saturday at the latest. So he could probably fly in Saturday morning, do the game Sunday at 1 o'clock, be home Sunday night. Like, that's not that bad. That's not bad at all. Yeah, but he also has to save $25 million for college education for all of his kids.

So, I mean, there's plenty of stuff that he has to save money on. That's just this season. His pocket this season. He would have to work, though, then. He would have to continue to work, then. Okay, fair enough. That's like Cromartie who was playing until he's like, he probably still could play if he had to,

but he had 10 kids or something like that. I mean, that's... Nine baby mamas. That's an incredible, incredible stat to have. The amount of pressure that you parents have that I have not had to have is really remarkable. I don't know how you do it. Have you thought about potentially having a kid someday?

Yeah, whenever Chuck shit on the floor the other day, I thought about how a baby could put a diaper on it. So you think someday when you still have, let's say someday you're lucky enough to have kids of your own, are you still going to have a small Joe Exotic-style zoo in your house? Yeah, I think so. I think the lady will probably always have animals in the house and our animals by the way we have filtered out the bads i mean there's been a couple bad pets that have gotten

in there we got out we got good animals i think once you have like you know human pets children i i think kind of the the feeling goes in a different direction emotionally so that could potentially happen for us do you guys have pets over there you got like five kids we had three dogs we're down to one right now and an outdoor cat yep out one outdoor three-legged cat that is going strong caitlin caitlin's an og i'm just running the show what did you do with the other dogs did you yeah what happened to the other two dogs they both died unfortunately yeah over the last two years. That won March Sadness, by the way. What? It won March Sadness.

There was a March Sadness bracket the boys on the pod put together. And a dog passing away won the March Sadness. It was the most sad thing out of the entire bracket. There's a lot of things on that bracket. Yeah, it's not an easy situation. One thing I know I'll never do, anyone that knows me well. Did you see uh marley and me the movie no don't do it i won't never golden retriever dies for an hour and 45 minutes it's the saddest thing i've ever been a part of it was the worst i saw it in the theater for some reason with your whole family with my just my wife i don't know why we i don't know how long ago that was why

we even went to a movie why we did that i remember 30 minutes in i was like let's go we gotta get out of here it's like what are you talking about something wrong like no we just we gotta go like we i can i can clearly see what's happening like they're so close with this dog it's their whole life and now i can see it dying like no i can't wait till the end um it's sad i don't like it but you're you're one dog good with the kids all of your kids yeah yeah oh yeah she's good she but she's like 11 now so you know gotta see what the future holds i don't know kids are already pushing for another puppy that's not happening right now smart hey lay down the law down there because i assume at your house you

don't get a lot of control about things that That's something you can kind of control there. You know what I mean? Yeah, I can kind of control that, but I still think, too, like having a young puppy that's rambunctious, it may be harder than having a young baby. That's what I've been saying this whole time, and thank God that you agree with me. Well, because a young baby— Can't put a baby in a cage, though. That's what I've always told people. They'll keep you up at night.

They'll do all that. But guess what my young baby's not doing? Running around chewing on all the woodwork of my house and chewing on steps and eating everything. Babies don't do that. Shitting all over the place. There's no better time now though. You're home 24-7 for weeks to train that puppy.

Oh, you think now's the time to get it? The best time to get it done. A lot of people are saving animals, by the way, from shelters and stuff. And I would very much. Is Jack's Aquarium and Pets open right now? I didn't think about that. I doubt it. There's no way they're open.

I don't know if Jack has his place open, but our guy Steve has his open over here. Are pet stores open? Who is the pet store here in Indiana? They have to. It's an essential thing, right? It's essential? Yeah.

Because if animals get hurt or something, they got to bring them in. We have Bill. Bill's. We have Bill. Bill's. We have Bill. You have Jack's. We got Bill over here. What did we have in the Miracle Mile?

Pet Co. That was Pet Land. They used to have actual pets there. You could go in there and buy pet dogs. Here, you can't have dogs at the store. Oh. I don't think. They got fish.

Really? I talk to the fish every time. In Indiana, they can't do that? Sounds like I'm wrong, I think. Go buy dog uh at a pet store and post it online you won't get any hate at all well i'm big shelter valerie this girl pitbull sharpay aj pitbull sharpay dog her name's val she's got the tattoo you know she was about a week or a couple days away from certain death She's got the tattoo. You know, she was about a week or a couple of days away from certain death.

Sam went in there and saved her. And she acts like it. You know, like she knows. She is appreciative. This Chuck dog, this Corgi dog, this son of a bitch. Yeah, he and I are starting to get along a little bit more. We've been around each other. He's a smart dog.

But he thinks he runs the roost around there. And I'm just going to let him know. A couple more shits and he might be out there with the fox. Yeah, to your point and what Dick said earlier, fostering a dog right now is a great idea. An older, more mature dog. Having a one-year-old, three-month-old dog at home right now, it is not the best time to be locked up with your dog.

Nick has a lab that is wide open. His name is Walt. He's a big boy. He's young. How has that been? You and Walt learn a lot about each other, I assume. He's good. But on the weekends, like he's nonstop. He wants to go all the time. So he's like nudging you and poking you with a snout when you just want to chill over. He wants to go.

What do you do? I take him out to the park like three times a day. Take him for a walk like twice a day. Oh, no way. You drug him with CBD. Don't get on your horse. Well, you gotta make his joints feel better. Yeah, yeah, you're not doing anything. I'm sure you got a make his joints feel better. Yeah. Yeah. You're not doing anything. I'm sure you got a fenced in yard. You just let that dog out back and let it run.

Yeah, it's not exactly fenced in. They could sneak through the tree. I know. Get out of here. What'd you say? I said, I know. Billy told me. Jesus.

This guy says, I'm buying a tiger right now in the comment section old joe nathan getting another petty so he's gonna buy a tiger hey you know what i found pat it popped up on my youtube feed uh through my apple tv is some of joe exotic's old tv shows like he says a day in the life like a day in the zoo and he he documented everything and it was it's honestly pretty interesting i cannot wait he had a film crew rolling at all times for for that guy i mean obviously he was a massive uh what's that called whenever um sociopath he's a mass massive sociopath that works too by the way normal normally those two words can normally go hand in hand with each other but he was filming every that's why the documentary tiger king was so damn good right because they were filming so much now i can't wait to dive into the uncut gems which is the name of a movie adam sandler made

that burke kreischer called precious gems uh just on an interview the other day your boy burke had a great interview with adam sandler and it is must watch internet if you haven't seen it yet yeah it was like a like a live aid comedy type thing where i think like 10 hours straight they had a bunch of different comedians pop on and and zoom or facetime each other and yeah bert and whitney cummings like dialed up adam sandler and bert just was very excited i love bert we are big fans of bert we bert was our first ever guest on this show. Yeah.

That moment with Adam Sandler, he'll think about till the day he dies. Bert Kreischer will think about that moment forever. By the way, it's turned into a great piece of content. I mean, it is a great, great piece of content. And my respect for Adam Sandler has only grown. The way he, oh, okay. There are a lot of, oh, okay.

Hey, Svendora. Yeah, Jim Carrey, he's a fan favorite over here with my kids. They like him more than me. And Bert just keeps hammering him with more. And he's like, oh, okay. All right. Adam Sandler. How much money is that?

How much money is that worth? Oh, he's got 500 mil in the bank probably. I think his net worth is actually like $450 million. Bro. He does nothing but just pump out bangers. You know my favorite part, though, Pat, in that interview, Burt kept chiming in, jumped in and said, oh, no, no, no, let me tell you something else.

And he goes, I got one quick question for you, Adam. If you go back over all your movies, if you could just go back and relive that on set, what was your favorite movie you shot? We had so much fun, you just enjoyed it. And Adam almost cut him off. And he's like, no, never thought about that. Never going to think about it. Actually, I hated that

question. Move on. It was perfect. And Burt laughed and liked it. So yeah, I think it worked out for everybody. That was a good idea. The social distancing interview there. Him and Whitney Cummins holding the table. I think they raised a bunch of money for, they're trying to support people that work in comedy clubs and wait staff and all those kind of people. Smart, by the way.

Those people, this came out of nowhere, man. Grinders, too, those humans. The humans that are working, not only comedy clubs, obviously them as well, but the entire wait staff and the people that work in the service industry, grinders. Those humans just work their asses off. And a lot of them obviously live paycheck to paycheck because that's how the business goes, especially when you're in an all-cash business. But this came out of nowhere. There's a lot of people struggling right now in the service industry, man.

A lot of people struggling. Pat, did you ever have any teammates that were living paycheck to paycheck? I mean, if I got cut going into my second year there which was very possible i mean i would have been in a tough spot i would have been in a tough spot but other than that now yeah i had some teammates that were obviously waiting for tuesday or wednesday for that cash to hit obviously yeah so you guys that are just counting down the days until the regular season starts so you're getting your game checks hey those preseason checks are a bunch of malarkey what yeah it's like a stipend almost right what do you what everyone gets paid the same yeah yeah what is it i don't know i

remember we played up in canada one time and i ended up walking away paying money to canada tax wise i ended up owing money to canada it was insane it was those preseason games were insane that's why i think a lot of the OGs, by the way, went, let's get rid of this one. I'm not getting paid $600 to go play football for you guys while you're still selling tickets at 100% and you're still getting TV deals with it. You're still making season ticket orders

buy tickets to it. It's an interesting little hustle that the NFL has that everybody's so excited for football to come back. That first week of training camp, everybody's pumped up about it. And then the next couple of weeks, everybody's like bored. Like, okay. And then the first preseason, everybody's pumped up for it.

And everybody kind of gets bored. And then a regular season happened. Nobody talks about the preseason ever again. Ever again. Preseason is. Yep. I don't think I could. I remember looking back when people would ask me about preseason games,

and I have no idea if I ever won or lost a preseason game. No clue. No clue what the final score was ever. And there was always these articles that were written because the Colts were notoriously bad preseason teams. And that's because there wasn't a lot of depth, right? So the money was spent on all your great players, but behind that didn't have a lot of depth.

So whenever you're in preseason games, like that winningest decade in NFL history that Peyton Manning was a part of before the Patriots obviously came in and shattered that their records preseason I think they were like oh and four oh and four oh and four one and three and everything like that the way it was being talked about though during the preseason all the local reporters had to take the bait they had to bite down on it because there was nothing else to talk about and every single time they're like is this Colts is this the year that the Colts team falls off they just lost 31 to 7 or whatever to the Detroit Lions in preseason and everybody's like oh the world's gone and then finally the starters play first week it's like well let's just act like we didn't say anything the Colts are off to a hot start yet again. It's just like preseason is just a complete fake world

that doesn't even matter or exist. But coaches want to build it up and act like it does matter. Guys, if we strap it on, we're going to compete and win every single day. We want to win every single game we play. I don't care where it is. And then what is said after the fourth preseason game, you come in the locker room, the coach will say something like, hey, guys, this is the last time this group's going to be together but who cares all

this garbage is preseason it's over it's done it doesn't matter you know it doesn't matter now the real work starts i'm like what you've been talking for like four weeks about how big of a deal this is we're supposed to win that's quite a change of tune there i thought this really mattered you know i thought the whole conversation was, are they keeping score? If they're keeping score, we want to win. That's the type of team we are. To our fans, if they're keeping score, we want to win. That's what this organization is.

That's what this franchise will be remembered. And that's how you as players will be remembered. If they're keeping score, do you want to win or do you want to lose? And then lose the preseason game, like, got to get better for next week. And then immediately upon preseason being over, none of that shit mattered shit mattered let's focus move forward with the best team we have by the way i know we're supposed to have 53 players on this team then we're currently at 70 or whatever but we're cutting 30 people uh we're gonna add 13 randoms to this team because you guys stink it's an interest that preseason is just so stupid it is so i understand it's important

and i understand there is a necessity especially this year with no otas and things like that those games are so dumb i mean they're so stupid well when you're in like say somebody's a starter when they're in the game they obviously want to play well like you want to go in and make a few plays and then get out of there healthy like that's what everyone wants like one of the most excited i've ever seen a defense was i don't know what year it was we were playing in kansas city and i remember uh it was the fourth preseason game and the starters were going to play and he goes hey you got one series now if that's one play or that's 15 plays that's that's where you guys are staying in first play corner gets a pick we celebrate like we won the super bowl guys

guys want to take their shoulder pads off and put their Jordans on the sidelines two minutes later. That's awesome. Punter sucks, by the way. Punter, there's normally not a backup punter. It's downgraded. My job is much easier than yours. And you're punting a lot, too, in the preseason. And you've got a guy playing on the punt team

that's going to be working at McDonald's in a week and a half. Like, hey, that guy's going to be working. And it's a lot easier to want to block a punt than to block for a punt so i mean it's just it became i would catch the snap and i would just throw it basically out of my hands and punt it and pray like get me the fuck out of here i just boom bang boom get me out of here i got flipped on hbo hard knocks and got a guy job in cincinnati he came in off the edge the guy just basically did he played I think 400 plays that game because he was the, it was the fourth preseason game. And he basically just watched

the guy run by him. He blocks me. I do a full front flip basically on hard knocks in slow motion. That guy gets signed to the team because he's, he gives maximum effort on special teams. It's like, Jesus, the guy, the guy ran by, I think is potentially playing, you know, gym coach right now somewhere. I mean mean it was just next level Foxy Detroit was always good in preseason the Lions went 4-0 in preseason and then went 0-16 same season but Foxy did you and your friends though or people that are Lions fans did that get you excited when you would be 4-0 in the preseason yeah for us it did any kind of winning in Detroit is good AJ so when you see 4-0 in that same season,

John Kitna said we were going to go 10-6 and win a playoff game. They go 4-0 in the preseason. We're fired up to win some playoff games. And, you know, all the local media, too, is selling it. This is the year. Oh, yeah. Look at what they did preseason game. Think about it, though.

What if your starting quarterback plays awful in all four of those games, but your backup and your third string quarterback play great? Are you really excited about your team? Like if they want to take your backup and your third string or win it for you? Every team I was on, the backup was just getting slaughtered out there. We had no offensive line. I mean, it was just like.

Yeah, because most teams only come into a game, like during the regular season, you have sometimes two backups for the whole offensive line. So you're like, hey, man, nobody can go down in the preseason. There's more. But there's not a ton of guys to roll through there. Preseasons. All right.

Are we done? We're done, right? Yeah. I think we're done. You don't have any questions today? Oh, YouTube questions. Every once in a while, I can't believe I didn't do this, by the way. That was very rude of me to just ignore.

We've got over 6,000 people currently watching. AJ, that's a lot of people. Yeah. That's a massive theater if you think about it. We appreciate them watching. Absolutely. Hey, absolutely. And that's why we like to dive into the YouTube comment section

every once in a while to get some YouTube question YouTube question It's hot as fuck in this studio Zito go with your I turned the air conditioner off earlier I apologize Did you really? Yeah I was shaking the cameras I forgot to turn it back on It was for the good of the show

Yeah it's on me It's for the good of the show That a baby Z That a baby Z. That a baby Z. Turtleneck Town's in a bad spot, but I mean, we're all sweating. Are you good actually? Yeah, I don't get hot very often. Oh, cold-blooded.

You can't get hot, you stay hot. Quick question out of Charlie Gomez here and then a real question after. AJ, how do you get more vitamin leaf stickers on your helmet at OSU? There we go, that's a great question. The vitamin leaf. Vitamin your helmet at OSU? There we go. That's a great question. The vitamin leaf. Vitamin leaves?

Yeah, it looks like marijuana leaves for sure. How do you get those on the helmets over there? Well, they're Buckeye leaves, and it's kind of changed over time on what the criteria was. When I was there, it was a little more difficult, I think, to get them. But I don't know. The whole defense will get one sticker if you held a team under 100 yards rushing. Things like that are what get you. There's not a whole lot of individual things that get an individual sticker.

So it's not marijuana leaves? No, they're Buckeyes. Buckeyes. Stay true. That really did used to feel like it meant something, though. If you saw a guy who had a shitload of stickers on his helmet, it's like, all right, this guy's What was cool was when you get one whole side with stickers. That was great.

Our high school team did that, didn't they? Yeah, a little bit. Diggs had a bunch of Mustangs on the helmet. Look at you, Diggs. What position? Wide receiver and safety. Ever heard of it? Two-way player.

Ever heard of it? D1 athlete. Ever heard of it? What do you mean? I've heard. Tone, where'd you go to high school again? Plum Senior High. Yeah.

I remember hearing about you. I used to. I stay up on recruiting and stuff. I definitely remember there was a lot of chatter. When you were covering Big 33? Rust Belt. They said Rust Belt from Nintendo. Oh, my God. You are amazing.

There's a lot of people in the comment section asking why you don't ever talk about Clay Matthews. What's going on with Clay Matthews? Clay Matthews, man? Oh, yeah. He just went off about the decade team. Oh, he went off about the decade team? Yeah, he had a long tweet. He listed his stats.

Was he speaking for me, too? That would be interesting if he would have done that. I would have liked to echo those sentiments. Other than the stats, did he say anything else? He ran his award, like the All Pros, the Pro Bowls. He went through all of his accolades. He does not tweet much, by the way. He does not tweet much. That was way. He does not tweet much.

That was like his first tweet in months. It was just like Clay Matthews was fed up with it. Enough of it. I'm tired of the disrespect. I was an animal out there whenever Kevin Green was coaching me, and I was moving all over the yard with my little smell sniff sticks things, and I had my hair flow. Everybody forgets I was on head and shoulders on Chunky Soup

long before these motherfuckers today. And Clay Matthews is right. I think a lot of people have forgot about how big of a monster clay matthews was for the packers for a long time he was a teammate of yours he was he was he was the top of the nfl there for a little bit yeah he's a monster i mean he was monsters he was he had a great year this year when he he missed how many games with a broken jaw i think he still got eight eight and a half sacks or something for the rams i know they released him but he broke his jaw and missed four games.

Maybe you ever have a broken jaw. Never. You, you, that jaw can't. Luckily knock on something. Steel chin. What would it take for me to like, why would hopefully as a 36 year old man, I wouldn't break my jaw right now. Like what would I might have to get in?

Someone would have to knock me out. Hey, Hey, you know what? You chopper and pistol go bopping around town and start running your mouth to the wrong person and get that shit slapped. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. That's why I'm respectful. Billy comes with that.

That Roto-Rooter guy may be my favorite guy that's ever come to your house. Yes. I had a Roto-Rooter guy here. He got done with the show last week, popped down, and he instantly asked me, Oh, you just got done with the show with Pat? Oh, yeah, man. Of course. Am I paying you by the hour here?

And he kept talking about, he was great he's he's uh an avid consumer of the show so yeah it was cool he's a big pat mcafee guy hey we're big roto router guys those are our people i'm surprised you didn't show up in your studio up there i'm looking for a pipe up here is this uh i smell some cigars i saw you like cigars aj not pat's type of cigars. I saw you like cigars, AJ. Not Pat's type of cigars, but I get it. Oh, yeah, you're all set, man. Just butts into the show. Hey, what's up, guys? I'll be real quick. Yeah, Clay Matthews doesn't normally do that, by the way. I wish there was a platform he could come on and talk about it.

Maybe we should. Maybe I'll send a text out. Yeah, you're right. There we go. That was a missed opportunity. I should have realized that when I saw the tweet yesterday. Yes, that's the guy we should have had on. We'll ask him about why he attempted to block a punt in the Pro Bowl against me,

and then we'll talk about the All-Decade team being a bunch of bullshit. Yeah, you guys can converse over that. I know he posted all of his stats and everything, which are unbelievable. Very good. The only thing I would tell him is, hey, man, let me do that for you. Let somebody else do that for you. You don't have to do that. Well, nobody else has done it.

That's why he felt as needed he had. By the way, when he listed that stuff off, I forgot. And you know why? Because there's nobody in the Clay Matthews batter's box swinging at shots for the guy. I think he got fed up, and maybe people who should be giving him a little bit more respect in the media. Who?

Me? Maybe. He's like, AJ Hawk even has a fucking show and doesn't even talk about how good I was back in the day. I would assume if you get to a point where nobody is giving you credit, you're going to at some point, especially when you're in quarantine and locked down, you're like, you know what? I'm fed up with it. I'm gonna copy and paste my wikipedia accomplishments put them out there that's exactly what he did and i i appreciate that i like that move because if nobody's if nobody's you know to toot in your train sometimes you gotta get in that son of a bitch and toot toot yourself you know what i mean yeah it's okay i guess now i look at

it a little different now yeah i'm okay with okay with it, I guess. Like, for instance, AJ, I think you should be a Hall of Famer. Okay. That's very nice of you. See, Clay Matthews has nobody doing that for him. I think he does. I think he will have plenty of people doing that for him whenever he's five years removed from the league. He's still going to play.

I don't think he's done. He needs people doing it now for him. He needs it now. Now he does. Now we've got a good chunk of time here on this show, on this platform, pumping him up. But, yeah, you're right. You know what?

I'm going to try to reach out. I think he would come. He doesn't do a whole lot of media. No, that's why, by the way. He would love it, though. I think he'd have a lot of fun. He and I are on the same senior bowl team. No big deal.

We won. Oh, you guys won the game? Yeah. That senior he'd have a lot of fun. He and I were on the same senior bowl team. No big deal. We won. Oh, you guys won the game? Yeah. Go South. That senior bowl game means a lot, doesn't it? What's that? That senior bowl was – The week means a ton.

The guys practicing against each other in the game means zero. Don't the scouts leave before the game even starts? There was – you know, it was an interesting experience. There was never a field for me to kick on you know because there's only one field and they practice on the entire field so i would kick before the practice when there was it was it was much like social distancing time there was nobody in the stadium other than uh the snapper and the holder was thomas morris that he had never held before so i go to the senior bowl for my only nfl edition the holder thomas

at the point at that time could not catch a football. So, I mean, my holder was, and there was nobody. My senior bowl experience was much different, I think, than a lot of people. But I think a lot of people enjoyed the hell out of it, like the Clay Matthews, the Cushings. There was a lot of dudes. Feely, I believe, was there. There was a lot of dudes from USC there. Pat White obviously got the MVP of the game.

It was awesome to watch the practice because it was like I was watching, you know, really good practice again. And there was a couple of times where I would, you know, toe drag swag in the corner whenever the long snapper was throwing me the ball because there's nothing else for us to do for three hours. And one team told me that they didn't like that I was goofing around catching the ball. And I'm pretty happy I didn't go to that fucking team because they would have had a lot on their hands if they would have brought me in. They were mad about that. So that was my Senior Bowl experience. They wanted to put me in the Hall of Fame this year, I think, from what I've been told.

There's a chance I'm going to go into the Senior Bowl Hall of Fame. And I did terrible in the Senior Bowl. Is there a Senior Bowl Hall of Fame, really? I think they're trying to build the Reese's Senior Bowl thing. I think they are. It was overall cool experience getting to meet all the players. And there was a lot of situations. For me, though, football-wise, it wasn't the best.

But I could see how people would love it. So you were kicking and punting there? No, just field goal kicker. Thomas Morstead, the punter for the Saints, was the punter there. Huh. Yeah, I was in the Senior Bowl as a kicker. All-time leading scorer at West Virginia. Couldn't make it to the combine.

It's a shame. How many kickers and punters do they invite to the combine usually? A lot. Yeah, and they all stunk. Well, hey, it's good. You didn't have to go through the combine then. You didn't have to waste three and a half days of your life. True.

Amen. Amen. And I think they saw right through me with those questions and answers that they give. You know what I mean? What do you like to do? I like to work hard. There's some big names in this Senior Bowl Hall of Fame. Yeah, Senior Bowl Hall of Fame is a big deal.

It's a big deal. That's why whenever I heard about it, I was like, I'm not the right guy. I didn't really do anything in that game. Wait, do you have to play well in the Senior Bowl or do you have to have a good NFL career to get in there? I would assume you're just alumni of the Senior Bowl. Does that make sense?

I got to meet a lot of people at that Senior Bowl. They were very, very cool players. You know what I mean? It was an awesome thing. The guy who was the special teams coach for the Tennessee Titans, his name's Nate. He was with the Jaguars at the time. He was the assistant special teams coach, but the head special teams coach got fired, so we didn't even have a special teams coach.

The assistant special teams coach was running the thing. His name was Nate. He was the Tennessee Titans special teams coordinator who I ran that fake against, and if you see me get on the sideline when I stick the ball that was him standing right there that was my senior bowl coach and every time after the game we'd always chit chat before the game we'd always chit chat you know and he actually I think he I think he drops an f-bomb on me while I jog by him at that in that Tennessee Titans run game then when we kick an onside kick against him after the game he found me and we had a great so there's great relationships built there at the senior bowl,

I think. But for me, I played like do do and that thing. Did you play, did you play in none of them? Huh? I did not go to the senior bowl. Why not?

Were you not invited or you didn't want to get a lot of people's like, not a lot of people, but people turn down that type of stuff. I didn't, I didn't want to go a, um, you're a pick five. I guess it didn't matter.

I mean, I was going to go, I was a hundred% willing to go. And, yeah, my agent was like, you know, I don't think you need to go risky and getting hurt or whatever. I said, all right, well, if you don't think so. And then I saw some coaches that coached. I don't know what coaches were coaching the Senior Bowl when I was there,

but when I would interview with, I remember one of the teams that coached, I'm not sure which one. They're like, well, where were you at the Senior Bowl? I was like, I don't know. I'm still in school. I went to class. I didn't go to it. You really missed out on a lot of great teaching that we had there.

I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Well, I guess if you draft me, you could teach me those things again. The Cincinnati Bengals special teams coach, Darren? Yeah, I like Darren a lot. I love Darren. Cincinnati Bengals was the north coach, I like Darren a lot I love Darren Cincinnati Bengals was the north coach okay so they were the north coach the Jacksonville Jaguars were the south coach so one day during the senior bowl you go and meet with the other team's coaches because

every other team has got a chance to go to your practice and like talk to you at practice except for the other team's coaches right they don't get a chance so you have one day where you go meet with them and I sat down with Darren and Darren said to me he said uh so are you a kicker or are you a punter because nobody in the history of the NFL has ever been able to do both and I'm going to assume that you won't be able to do both so are you a kicker or a punter and I was like uh I'm not 100% sure to be honest with you and he was like well you're at the senior bowl to be a kicker so if I were you I would never punt a football again I would focus 100% on kicking and I would put all my

eggs into the kicking basket I was like you got it man you know you got okay that's what I'm gonna do that's smart so I literally went back and just trained kicking kicking kicking and then the Colts put me through a workout asked me to kick field goals and then they had me punt a little bit and then draft day comes it's like hey we're drafting you to punt and I was like I was told by another guy never to do that again. So I guess we got to get to it. So we played them in the preseason that year. Cincinnati Bengals is always our fourth preseason game.

So I go jogging on that field. I could not fucking wait. I mean, I could not wait to talk to that guy. And he and I have grown a friendship because we play every year. And it all started with me basically telling him, like, hey, thanks for telling me you never punt a ball again, you motherfucker. You know what I mean? He is a good guy.

There's a guy that should be a head coach, by the way. He was wrong with me, but he was right in where he was coming from. I was kicking field goals at the Senior Bowl. Everybody thought I was going to be a kicker. It would be a smart move to just get into the NFL before I went to do anything else. He didn't know that Bill Pullian was like, ah, I saw him. Tom Telesco was like, I saw him warming up at the Monarchy Car Care Bowl.

He can punt, no problem. So I think that's a guy that might get head coaching consideration at some point. I think he's been talking, he's been rumored to have, I think the Bengals may have even interviewed him for their head coaching position. He is really, really good. I sat in every

special teams meeting with him. I've played a tiny bit of special teams. I always had to practice it with him, but I loved it. darren would make awesome like he's funny sarcastic jokes in our special teams meetings and the whole room was basically asleep and i'm the only one there paying attention taking notes and i'd be like yeah good one darren you'd appreciate that somebody was paying attention and getting his good material he always has a visor you'll see him on the side of the bangles game he always has a visor he has really see him on the sideline of the Bengals game. He always has a visor. He has really good hair. He doesn't have a headset. He actually goes on the field and coaches people up.

He's a good guy. I like him a lot. Now, he was wrong completely. He's crazy. Most special teams coaches are somewhat crazy, especially on game day. Darren, he takes pride in that. But he's weird. He's a great mixture.

He's crazy and motivator, but he's a great technical teacher's he's crazy and motivator but he's he's a great like technical teacher he doesn't make you do stupid things just to do stupid things like a lot of special teams coaches will make you do like he'll compress drills not make you run as much but still be physical like i i give him a ton of credit i think he will be a head coach someday i think so too he's really good and i love that he told me never to put a ball again and i went on to be the punter of the decade by Pro Football Focus. Yeah, I think the show's over, huh? Yeah.

Are we just going to end it like right now? Yeah, you guys doing Office Olympics later today? We're doing one this week, two this week, I think. We're doing 24-hour treadmill push by Turtleneck Tone. That's happening on thursday can't wait for you to wait for 24 hours so if you're if we're filming and doing all this are you guys in shifts to go watch him because you're not going to stay up for 24 hours turtleneck treadmill tone is going to start at noon i believe on thursday is that accurate it's on noon thursday

and then he's going to go to noon friday and if he gets to 35 miles he will make a hundred dollars a mile that he's been up to that point and if he gets past 40 miles it'll be doubled so if he gets to 40 miles that's eight thousand dollars obviously 45 miles nine thousand if he gets to 50 miles that'll be uh ten thousand dollars this is all happening because digs after learning about david kilgore running 100 miles in 17 hours 47 minutes and 47, started doing the math in his head. And he said he could do 48 miles in a day, no problem. He walked this weekend. He did 12 miles in four hours.

He's on pace to really get going and do this well. So we put him to the test. Office Olympics. We'll raise some money for the people in the comments section of the Twitch stream. That'll be 24 hours straight. And also potentially have to drive him to the hospital. But the boys in the comment section of the twitch stream that'll be 24 hours straight and also potentially have to drive him to the hospital but the boys in the office will be in shifts sitting next to turtleneck treadmill tone to make sure he's getting through this in a beautiful fashion look at zeke with like the slow that's foxy that's foxy i have a little respect

for foxy back there foxy foxy my bad uh but you're 100 right that is the face of a man who is regretting every single thing he's ever said. 24 hours straight. Have you ever stayed up for 24 hours straight? No, I can't. No, he physically can't. He's got a heart problem. You going to get some PEDs for this?

That's a good gift right there, by the way. You just look down in despair. Yeah. Are you going to get on PEDs? Like what? Meth. G-fuel? No, I can't.

G-fuel, yeah. Tossing the Adderalls. My heart would come through my chest. Yeah, he's got a bad heart. Guy's got a bad heart. Do you really? You got a pre-existing condition? Yeah.

What's going on with you? It's called pericarditis. Never heard of it? Nope. The lining around the heart swells, so it feels like you're having a heart attack, but you're not really, so it's not really a big deal. Oh, man. So this was a big deal, celebrating your 32nd birthday it was yeah yeah it's a big deal he can't do uh jaeger bombs can't do any types of bombs he has to get it with ginger

ale so you can't do any kind of caffeine no not really no it doesn't do caffeine but what does it do make your heart race really fast swell up actually yeah and on thursday he's going to be going for 24 straight hours by the way I have told him on numerous occasions here. I'll be fine. None of us are forcing Diggs to do this. This is a Diggs stay-at-home-to-the-dome, fun-run, COVID-19-awareness run. What's it called? I think that was it.

35-36 is the goal. But if I get to 26.2, I think I'll be very happy. Marathon? Yeah. Is that true? You better have Diggs sign something. You better get some lawyers to draw up some paperwork. I'll say it right here.

If Tony? I'll say it right here. If something bad happens to me, I will not sue. My family will not sue. I don't know if that holds up in court, man. It does. He just said it. He was not being-

Legally binding. That's legally binding. I don't know. I'm just saying. They did the same thing with the kid I tackle out in Tahoe had him on camera i heard from a couple different people that may not hold up i'll say somebody on camera saying like hey i won't see you that has to hold up does it yeah it's really like signed prenups don't hold up sometimes i guess yeah but that can be forged you don't know who's doing what there's an thing. This is a dude on camera wearing an incredible turtleneck with a good beard and a haircut

signing the back of a piece of paper after saying... That's just scribbles. That doesn't count. That doesn't look like his name at all. Well, okay. Are you aware of Prince Andrew who is pictured with Ghislaine Maxwell in the background and the one underage girl with his arm around her? And he's caught up in the Epstein scandal and he said, how do you know that's me?

That's not... People can do all kinds of stuff with Photoshop. That's not me. I mean, there are deep fakes. I agree. But ain't nobody deep faking Diggs. This entire thing, by the way, will be what they show in court. This entire thing.

And Diggs will probably win, by the way. Diggs will probably win. Diggs' family will win. Coach ain't going to sue. No way. I will tell you one thing I know about the DiGilio family. They are not bringing the legal world into anything. No.

Okay. Closets. Skeletons. What's your last name? DiGilio. Jeez. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Hey. DiGilio. Don't have to spell it out for you. Oh, no. I'm sorry. We can't all be Hawk. No. Bopper.

Wait. Where are you from, Diggs? Pittsburgh. Come on. East Hills of Pittsburgh. Plum Borough. Gotcha. Come on.

You followed my career. I watched a lot of your tape from high school. I only saw the field and the stadium. Seemed like a real good environment. Oh, you saw Mustang Stadium? Somebody in... Have you seen Mustang Stadium? Where is that?

Which one is that? All right, show's over. Show's over. Look good, feel good, feel good, play good. Play good, pay good, pay good, live good, live good, die good. Shout out to the Cleveland Browns for making this man the highest paid tight end in NFL history. He was a monster for the Atlanta Falcons.

Now he'll be on the browns alongside in joku the cleveland browns keep getting better and better will their team be better and better tbd ladies and gentlemen tight end austin hooper there we go hey guys appreciate you for having me watch the show a lot i love your content pat i don't know if that's real or not but i appreciate the hell out of you no i watch it i've been watching boston connor tear his hair out for the past couple months it's been awesome austin we love you we're gonna have you on more congrats on becoming the highest paid tight end in nfl history i appreciate that man a lot of hard work no one saw so hey it came to fruition hey that's real though that is

100 real because everybody sees what you do on sunday obviously they don't see the off season you've been a two-time pro bowler now andrew berry who i have a lot of respect for he was with the colts for a long time harvard man quarterback super smart i think he was the right hire for the browns i wanted the colts to hire him for a gm a long time ago what was your conversation like with him and the expectation for the browns organization going forward, Austin? It was positive. I mean, obviously, you know, strange times in our country's history.

Obviously, everything we could do is over phone. Normally, as you know, we'd already be at the facility, already get inundated around your teammates, coaches, staff, things like that. But just the mission he has here, he just wants to build like a blue collar football team and he just wanted to get as many like hard-working guys who have a reputation for working hard in the building so that was kind of what he's envisioned so i'm just trying to do my part hey that matches the city by the way i've always thought if the team reflects the city you're probably going to have a much better fan base cleveland blue collar city a fan base that is ready for some winning. No question, no question.

I mean, taking a look on paper, man, especially being on the offensive side of the ball, I'm really excited with David Njoku, with Odell, with Jarvis. I mean, you've got every skill position you could want. So, I mean, it's really, really exciting. Have you talked to Baker or any of your teammates since signing and how has the welcoming been via facetime text whatever the hell it is yes it's it's been weird

man you know how it is i mean because you don't want to be that guy who's hitting everyone up in the dms hey bro i'm your new teammate so it's definitely weird but like at the same time with baker and a couple other guys like i want to you know obviously with baker my quarterback uh got in contact with him i mean ideally if we weren't in the you know current state of affairs we already are i'd already be in austin texas with him getting like 40 50 catches a day with him just find out you know how he throws the ball him understanding my body mechanics because you know you play the game long enough you understand it's not just about how crispy your routes are how good you are off the line of scrimmage. When you hit the top of your route,

does your quarterback know what you're going to do before you do it? Just that nonverbal communication, him understanding your body language and your body mechanics. That was the biggest thing with me and Matt Ryan. It's not like the years I had success, I dropped like three-tenths off my 40 or anything like that. It was just I got a couple thousand balls in the offseason with Matt. So he knew when I do a certain thing with my body,

he knew I was going to break in the next step. So I'd turn around and the ball was in the air. And it doesn't matter who's on you. If the ball's on you as soon as you turn your head around, nothing the defender can do. So ideally when this all settles down, I'd like to get that relationship going with Baker. But but in the meantime all we can do is shelter in place ike taylor said that sometimes a quarterback can get in the matrix and i think that is what

he's referring to is when he and the wide receiver on there is nothing a db can do there's nothing a linebacker can do he can cover have perfect coverage but the perfect ball with the perfect timing is undefeated that's why peyton was so good. And the amount of reps that Peyton got with his wide receivers, both at practice, out of practice, in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and wherever the hell they were, I mean, the amount of reps it took for him to get great, he said he needed it, made our offense electric. Now that you can't do that with Baker,

and you look around the league, there's a lot of teams that aren't able to do this, obviously. Do you think the offense might be a little bit sloppy early in the in the season and because everybody knows the first couple weeks of training camp defense normally does better because it's see ball get ball do you think we're going to potentially see a little bit of that uh kind of trickle into the season yeah i mean i you would think right that the teams who have a lot more continuity guys who kept the same coordinators will be at advantage. For example, you know how they switch up the rules. So being a new coach with Coach Zavansky, we're supposed to actually start OTAs, I think, what, next week or something

like that? We start two weeks earlier than the rest? I think it was Monday. I think you would have started on Monday. Well, there you go. So I mean, especially, you know, new head man coming in with a new offense. I mean, all I can do is just sit back and watch the iPad, which is great. I mean, it's a lot of things I've done in the past, but, you know, obviously getting that in-practice feel, you know, understanding how your play caller likes to do things, understanding how your quarterback processes information in defense. So, you know, there's just only so much you can do.

But luckily the organization sent out iPads so I can at least understand the verbiage. How do you feel about the offense? Is there some similarities to what you were running in Atlanta? Or is it going to be a whole new world for you? It was a little different than Dirk. Dirk was a lot more vertical. This is kind of like more similar to things I ran my rookie year with Kyle Shanahan.

So a lot more outside zone, you know, West Coast concepts, three, five step stuff, a lot of things off of movement. So it's everything I've been asked to do in the past. So it should be a smooth transition for me. Where are you from? I'm from the Bay Area, a little town called San Ramon outside of Oakland. Oh, the town. Bro.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not from that part where only Marshawn can save you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not from that part where only Marshawn can save you. No, sir. Hey, did you see the cars doing donuts in the middle of intersections over there in Oakwood just a few days ago? Yeah, they're called a sideshow. I only saw them on YouTube because, again, Pat, I ain't in there. So, like, with the new offense, the fancy come from Minnesota,

will you watch, like, Kyle Rudolph tape and stuff like that? Yeah, absolutely. I watched a lot of Kyle in the past, and a big thing that he did, he also had Irv Smith being a rookie. So they did a lot of 12 personnel, a lot of two tight end sets. So I think that was a part of why I'm here because, you know, David on his own is incredibly talented. That's why I was kind of surprised.

I was like, what? I was like, me too? All right, I'll take it. Let's go. Was there any other teams interested, or were the Browns coming after you the heaviest early? It was either between them or the Redskins. I remember talking to Dwayne Haskins for a little bit.

Like his competitive nature, like his style. I mean, he's got certain swag to him, which was appealing for me. And Coach Ron Rivera, I've had guys who have come through Atlanta in the past who played for him and said, you know, he's a consummate player's coach. He'll keep it real with you, but he'll also show love. And you're a former player.

You understand, like, those little bones that coaches throw speak volumes. So that's something that stood out to me. But at the end of the day cleveland uh cleveland made the most sense man if you win in cleveland i mean they had a they had a bud light cooler that they kept shut until they got away that son of a bitch was never open i mean if you make the playoffs for cleveland i mean that would be if i was andrew barry and he's much smarter than man to me if i'm pitching people i I'm like, listen, here's the deal. Our fans are awesome.

Our organization is an old one. If we win here, this city's going to be upside down. You should be a piece of that. I would be excited to be a part of it. But now Cleveland is a cold-ass place now, Austin. I mean, there's going to be some chilly games over there, Cleve. Yeah, I mean, from what I heard, though, it's pretty mellow until November.

I mean, at the end of the day, like, at least you get me through the first half of the year. The back half, you know, you got to do what you got to do. I'm not playing indoors anymore. It was a luxury I kind of took for granted. What are some hobbies of yours, Austin? What do you do in your downtime here? What are you doing while locked down,

aside from working out and such? Man, really just hopping on the bike. I mean, it's obviously limited activities. Normally I go to my training facility and everything like that and pull sleds and put a bunch of weight on my back and do all that stuff. But you've kind of got to do some Rocky IV home-style workouts, just grabbing whatever you can find and making it work you want to stanford yes sir i dropped out though don't be too impressed hey i am impressed just the

fact that i feel like a lot of people potentially drop out of stanford and make i don't know a billion dollars you did in the form of football and you're not done anywhere near done yet i think stanford after going there and calling a game now granted they got killed i mean absolutely yeah it's been tough it's been tough as a way but this the campus was awesome that place you're around so many humans that are just creative intelligent there's a it feels like a free community over there yeah you've been around andrew i mean i'm sure andrew told you the same thing i mean the coolest part pat is just the people i mean you meet the most interesting people and it really puts things in a perspective. Like you're walking around campus, you're like, you know, most places

you walk around, you're a football player. You're like, oh man, I got something going for me. If you're a football player at Stanford, all that means is statistically you're by far the dumbest person on campus. They're like, what do you do? I'm like, oh, well, I'm building an app. I'm doing so well, I might, you know, leave halfway in my freshman year. What do you do i'm like oh i'm building an app i'm doing so well i might you know leave halfway in my freshman year what do you do oh i run into people for the cheers of a drunken crowd statistically so it puts everything in perspective where are you staying are you in california right now oh yeah i'm with uh i'm at my parents mean, I was over here. I was handling some stuff. And then all of a sudden, you know, obviously they shut down a bunch of everything. So I was like, all right, I guess I'm just going to be out here.

I mean, it's been good, though. I mean, this is most time. I mean, baseball got canceled. Spring training, my brother plays baseball. So he came back. And colleges are obviously closed down. Who's your brother play for? My brother's in the Kansas City Royals organization, left-handed pitcher.

How does he feel? I hope he gets all the bread. Is he going to be richer than you probably, huh? Yeah, he'll be healthier for sure. Health as well. How does he feel about the biodome thought? I'm assuming you guys have had conversations about this, them all going out to Phoenix and playing.

I like the thought of a league trying to make do in this entire time. I don't know if it'll work, but I like the concept. Yeah, I do like a lot of the ideas they're throwing out, especially with the NBA and specifically MLB, because, Pat, 162 games, no one has that much of an attention span. You've got to incentivize more viewerships. At the end of the day, the money's all in viewerships. You've got to makeize like more viewerships at the end of the day like the money's on viewerships you got to make the games more exciting and bingo you tell a fan like there are 162 of them

you know obviously you're not going to be as pumped to watch baseball but if you like market it well and you lower the games i mean straight up like unless my brother's on the mound like i'm not watching amen by the way that's the rest of the world. And Rob Manford, as soon as he speaks about anything, he makes you go, why would I watch this? But this biodome idea seems like a good idea out in Phoenix. I don't know what they're going to do. Listening to you, whenever I say, what's your hobby? And it's just working out.

That seems like why Andrew Barry signed you, man. I hope you have nothing but incredible success in Cleveland, brother. I appreciate that. Well, I also get a lot of Apex in on PS4. So, Boston Connor, if you're still upset about the Brady deal, let's hop on the stick. All right. We'll see what we can do.

What is Apex? What is Apex for? It's basically like a form of Fortnite. A lot of downtime these days, Pat. So, a lot of video games. Listen, I'm a Call of Duty Warzone guy. Always have been. Always will be.

Respect. It's currently downloading an update in my room right now. Good luck out there, man. Go kill some technology humans, and we hope to talk to you soon. I appreciate all you guys. Love your content. Keep doing it.

You got it. Ladies and gentlemen, Austin Hill. Hey, cool guy. Yeah. Didn't know he was a fan. He's a brown. That's going to suck for you. It does. I wanted to hate him. Yeah, he's a great guy. Hey, cool guy. Yeah. Didn't know he was a fan. He's a brown. That's going to suck for you. It does.

I wanted to hate him. Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, it sucks. Ladies and gentlemen, we can't talk about Evan Fox trying to bury my brother's graphic for this next man that is joining us right now. Formerly NXT champ, old Goldie was taken away from him. Had a broken neck. Rehabbed that thing back in his backyard slash jim i followed along on instagram the man is an absolute weapon and tomorrow he will battle johnny gargano tomasso

well done pat mcaf Hey, are you in that? I watched you do work in... Yeah, I'm not here. I'm home. Can you explain to people who might not know the Tommaso Chomper story? You had a broken neck. Is that accurate? Yeah, yeah.

We had a C5-6 Fusion that still played in a couple screws. That's high up. Okay, so that's up yonder. That's high up, yeah. That's in the neck region is c1 like here like where yeah you will see one's base of the skull or whatever and then it just kind of trickles down five six is actually one of the more common ones four five five six that's like it goes down the arm you kind of lose feeling in the hands the fingers all that uh so i had that which is good guess, in the sense that it's more common, but bad in the sense that I had to have neck surgery.

Yeah, you had a broken neck. Peyton had neck surgery one year, and Bill Bullion was asked about it a couple months later. It was like, yeah, standard neck surgery. Everything came out well. And a lot of people on the team, I was like, is neck surgery just like a – this is a pretty serious pretty serious i mean neck surgery is a pretty serious thing and since you having your c5 c6 replaced and fixed you've gone to work i don't know if you knew what was next for you i don't

know if you knew how long it was going to take for you to get cleared we've all seen edges story where it took them nine years to get back in you just kind of put your blinders on and went back to work and come back even better. It's been very inspirational almost to watch her just get totally jacked in your backyard on a regular basis. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, a good support system here with my wife and little baby and even the dog.

He likes to hang out for the workouts and stuff. So it's just all I know. You know, it's what got me where i am today is just i just i hard work i like i embrace hard work uh and i don't have a lot of the the skill set per se that can cover up if i don't work hard if i don't work hard i'm kind of screwed you know i'm exposed however you you have the skill set because and i don't want to make it all about you but i saw on your instagram a moonsault huh a uh a froggy splash huh yeah and uh what was the other one you did you did a little jeff hardy yeah swanton oh yeah my vote not that it matters

but my vote is the frog splash okay a lot A lot of people voted for frog splash, by the way. Pull out all the tricks, but I feel like the frog splash, that could be the winner. I just feel like if you do a moonsault, there's a little risk reward there, and you're banging the knees pretty hard constantly. Then you do the swanton, and now we get the tailbone action going on. Okay. These are smart. Frog splash, you get the good, action going on okay these are the frog splash you get to good good

proper elbows knees everything kind of you kind of spread out the damage write it down write it down i think and it looks fantastic pat thank you i tried my best i really that was not the first take by the way there was an eddie in there hey thank you la viva la raza what's that long live the race right i believe that's for the mexican culture that's why i'm trying to do that for the irish italian germans figure out what the irish italian viva la raza is how long have you been wrestling for tomaso 15 years okay so everybody talks about the wrestling journey is a long one you're in nxt you've been a staple of nxt and steel in the show what was it like at the beginning were you doing it in halls and stuff in front of like five ten

people is that true everybody's story is kind of like that ironically i've never wrestled in front of nobody until having to take over johnny gargano that's the first time ever i've had five i've had ten i've had friends and family. I've never had nobody. Well, cameramen, so I guess there were some people. But, yeah, that's exactly how it starts. It starts at the Polish American Veterans Club and at the Legion Hall and at the flea market and indoors, outdoors. And eventually that slowly fills up more and more.

But even when it fills up, you know, it fills up for one show. On a Saturday, you might be in front of 2,000, and on a Sunday, you might be in front of 70. And there's always, like, question marks on what's next from what I've been told in the indie wrestling world because you might go in and wrestle somewhere, and they might say they're going to pay you $150 or something like that. Then the crowd doesn't turn out.

You get, like, a hot dog, basically, and an ass slap, and they're like, hey, we'll get you next time. And it's, like, every day like that. You hop crowd doesn't turn out. You get like a hot dog basically in an ass slap and I'm like, Hey, we'll get you next time. And it's like every day like that, you hop in a car and then travel to another read until you finally make it. And even then you still got to every single day you have to earn something. Right. It's different.

I'd say now, even when I broke in, which was a 2005, I think was my first match. Um, it was a little different than now it's quite a bit different as far as like the uncertainty of it all uh you you tend especially with the with the better promotions even on the independent scene you tend to know what you're getting involved in as far as who

your opponent might be and what type of crowd you're probably going to be in front of uh when i started it was a little different than that. Before I started, it was definitely exactly what you're saying. It was very like just hit the road and make the best of it. It's getting the performers being treated significantly better now than they were, you know, 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. By the way, for the good. And I think all the precautions that WWE is currently taking to continue to ensue that there's a show, but it's nowhere near the normal product. And I think a lot of people were introduced to WWE in WrestleMania this weekend because there was nothing else to watch. Right.

So a lot of people started watching it. And out of nowhere, the best social views or most social views they've ever had. I mean, that's insane. 13 incredible feat to accomplish when you put on a two-day wrestlemania it was a 13.8 rating on the nielsen does that mean out of every hundred tweets or social activity 13.8 of them were about twitter is that is that a how you read that i don't know how you that's what nielsen is yeah yeah it was a nielsen social rating whatever the hell that means it was the the biggest event. Sounds great.

It does. It sounds very good. Sounds very good. Now, for you, in the performer, we talked about, I've talked about how in football, for me, when I would go on the field, literally I would try to block out everything anyways. If I was doing it in practice, it's the same exact rep, hopefully, as it is in football, in the game.

That's how I had to do things. We talked to A.J. Hawk, how he's like, there can be a lack of juice in the game that's how i had to do things we talked to aj hawk how he's like there can be a lack of juice in the stadium if there's not a good crowd and that can affect some people mentally in wrestling in a pure reactionary profession what it has it been like wrestling in front of no people has it been harder easier different how would you describe that entire thing i think it's very different per performer and what their strengths and weaknesses are. I know for me, prepping for the idea of having the match was the weirdest part.

Having it was way less weird than thinking about having it. Okay. And then watching it for me is even less weird. Like when I'm watching WrestleMania, say, and there's no crowd, it's pretty easy for me as the viewer to kind of get lost in the match. And I kept putting that in my head of like, this doesn't feel as weird for them as it does for me. So I kind of have to cover that up.

And luckily for me, aside from the fact that I love to improv based on crowd reactions, take that out of it. that I love to improv based on crowd reactions, take that out of it. And I'm I cater really well to this atmosphere because it caters to intensity, it caters to realism, I don't have to ever worry about somebody telling me what I do looks or sounds or is fake, there's there's just nothing fake about my presentation and my striking and just everything I do. So for me, this is kind of one of those things where I take it a lot like when I had to try out for companies, because when you do tryouts, you're just in front of your peers and there is no crowd and you're out there with kind of like a one man audience, right? It's the promoter. You're trying to make the promoter say, yeah, I'm going to invest in this guy. So was my view uh with Johnny well we got a

two-man audience we have Shawn Michaels and Triple H and if I can get those two guys to forget and to to be captivated and to be like what the hell then I did my job and uh our job we did our damn job triple that's you and in tomorrow night they're gonna know we did our job yeah you and anytime you and johnny gargano are in a ring together it is insane i mean i told before we got to your interview i said if you're not a wrestling fan if you've never got into wrestling tomorrow night on usa network at eight o'clock two men the man that we're currently interviewing and johnny gargano formerly a tag team are going to attempt to kill each other. I mean, it is real. When you took it in there. It's physical, man.

It is. It was taped a bit ago, and I'm still at the end of recovery mode right now. I couldn't even fathom. It was physical. Yeah, you guys jump off of things. I mean, you have no regards for your body, and you guys know each other so well. I believe you were in his wedding. You were living in his house at one point you guys were living together i mean you two are

magical together is there something to be said about that where there's some people you kids just can't jive with like for some reason that happens big man oh yeah and you know it immediately uh sometimes you actually know it when you're just talking to the person preparing things and you know we're not jiving you know but there's there's a group in nxt and it's what's kind of made the nxt so special these last few years who just have a great chemistry you know uh johnny and i i think come to mind for a lot of people but adam cole's one of those guys you can put in that mix where it's it's there you know there's a little bit of a magic going on right now, and it's a tough time for the industry, but we're trying not to lose that magic.

You put the right guys in the ring and have a story to be told. You tell that story, and we're hoping that the people at home appreciate it and see what we're trying to tell them. What's the mindset whenever people leave NXT and go to Raw or SmackDown? What is the mindset in the locker room? It's like, okay, now we've got to pick up or, hey, we got to continue to do this because that has happened on a very regular basis. Ricochet, Aleister, you name it.

You go through the women's division. Now, Charlotte's back, obviously, but you guys lose some people out of your roster and then you still perform at this insane level. The NXT takeovers and this NXT takeover card would have been, I was hoping to watch it now. It's obviously been spanned over two weeks. Last Wednesday and tomorrow night is the second half of the takeover. They're doing it on USA Network. But those takeovers somehow top themselves each and every time,

even after losing people. What's the mindset in there of you guys? Yeah, for me now, it's been so different because I know early on when guys would leave, both Johnny and I would talk about it quite a bit when we were doing DIY. It was, shoot, now the higher we get up on the card, this kind of becomes our baby. And that was kind of our view a lot when we had, you know, and obviously Finn Balor's back, but when Finn Balor and Samoa Joe

and others were at the top, Shinsuke were at the top of the card, it was, damn, I can't wait for it to be my turn. And somehow for us that our turn has lasted quite a bit because of us landing a deal with USA Network and becoming a legitimate third brand and it's more less of a call-up process now, less of a developmental process, more of a lateral move. So it's changed quite a bit over the last year. But prior to that, I know that you see somebody get called up. If you're not that guy who's called up and you're still in NXT,

it's an opportunity that's waiting for you to kind of just take the reign and show them what you're made of. I think you've been quoted as saying you love NXT. I don't want to go anywhere. I don't want to go anywhere. You don't want to go anywhere? No, no, I don't. I really want my legacy to be stamped in NXT. And I like it to be. I already like what it is for the last five years.

But the idea that one day we're filling up the baseball stadiums and we're not part of WrestleMania weekend. It's TakeOver weekend. And whether that means it's TakeOver weekend four times a year, six times a year, or it's 12 times a year, and then there's the one big special one. I don't know. I can't predict the future. I just want NXT to become the ratings.

The ratings were to me, I'd like us to take over SmackDown and Raw. I genuinely believe we can i want that to happen uh i just think a lot of things have to fall in the right place for it to happen hey that's an awesome message to send out there by the way i think right now there's going to be some people abuzz on the internet about what you just said right there that's a big deal because i from working around the nxt you know family getting a chance to kind of get dropped in there every once in a while and then bounce out and then dropped in. It really is.

It feels like this. It's like almost like the movie 300. It's like we're going against everybody. Like we are trying to take over everything at this point. It is awesome to see. And it's an interesting time, too, because you don't fool the viewer. Everyone knows WWE is Vince McMahon. So it's not like we're this independent group who's out there hungry on our own without money backing us.

Everybody knows that. But just like you said, if you're in the locker room, it's such a different vibe. It's such a different family. It's so us versus the world. I think we just believe so much in the product that we're putting forth. We're the storytellers. That's kind of my view on it. Like, hey, you want a story?

Come down to NXT. This thing's going to play out over three months, six months, one year, in our case, five years. And it's what I grew up on. That's what I fell in love with. I fell in love with Macho and Hogan. I fell in love with Ultimate Warrior and Hogan. I fell in love with stories. Rock and Austin. Okay, here I am warrior and hogan i fell in love with stories rock and austin okay here i am this is my legacy i'm going to tell

a whole bunch of stories and i think if we do it the right way nfc is just going to keep growing hey i know we have to get you out of here before we let you go i want you to talk about you said as long as triple h and sean michaels are captivated by what we do we're happy what are triple h and sean mike they're just in charge down there i saw them their mentors they're very hands-on in this entire process yeah man i mean they're just well obviously hunter this is his baby and uh ever since sean came down and became a coach and you know i was lucky enough to be in his class i don't know if you lost me for a second sorry i was lucky enough to be in sean's class and and he's almost become in a weird way, like a life coach to a bunch of us down there. And I'll tell you the, the, the text that

I got from them after things were said and done for what you're going to see Wednesday, it was one word, it was caps lock. It was epic. And it comes from two guys who opinions matter quite a bit to me and they've done quite a bit in this industry. So I think people are going to be very, very, very happy with what they see Wednesday night. We put our goddamn hearts and our souls on the line. We did. For the situation and circumstances, we went above and beyond.

And that's not just Johnny and myself. It's the whole crew at NXT. We went above and beyond. And that's not just Johnny and myself. It's the whole crew at NXT. It's special. And I will gladly have that be a part of my legacy that I leave behind in NXT. Let's go!

Can't wait to watch it. Can't wait to see what you and that madman Gargano put together tomorrow night at 8 o'clock on USA Network. Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen one time NXT champ hopefully future Hall of Famer as strictly an NXT-er ladies and gentlemen Tommaso Ciampa hey see you man I appreciate the hell out of you thanks buddy Cheers Appreciate the hell out of you. Thanks, buddy. Cheers. All right.

Massive thank you to all the guests. I watched Ciampa's match last night on NXT that he was referring to. He got suplexed. He lost, by the way. Not happy about him losing. Obviously, friend of the show. We want friends of our shows to win. He lost.

That's right. Austin Hooper, that kid's going to win. Already has won, obviously. Biggest contract for a tight end in NFL history. And I think he's just a hard-working dude. And, of course, old Pete King stopping by. He blew me off. We had to address it.

Gave us a lot of inside information. He thinks Kyle Shanahan was all the way in on Tom Brady He thinks there's people in the Bengals That like Air Bear more than they like Old Joe Burrow, the Ohio kid Who knows what the hell's gonna happen Everybody could be lying, we never know The only thing that I can tell you is that Me and AJ Hawk, whenever we talk together

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