The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 188 - Super Bowl Champ Roman Harper, His Neck, & Cliff Avril Stop By For Some Great Conversation. And Of Course The Legend, AJ Hawk, As Well

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

On today's show, Pat is joined by a couple of great guests. First, Super Bowl Champion, 2x Pro Bowler, and friend of the program, Roman Harper FaceTimes into the show. Pat and Roman chat about his thoughts on Tua and what he thinks is in store for him not only in the NFL draft, but what he thinks of his injury history, and his career at Alabama, and how he thinks Covid19 is going to affect the draft process for scouts, general managers, and coaches, and why getting a guy into the building or having a face to face conversation is so beneficial in learning more about them (2:33-18:55). Next, it's another edition of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk. Pat and AJ discuss ESPN's HORSE broadcast and whether or not they were entertained, NASCAR driver Kyle Larson making a monumental mistake on a racing livestream with other drivers, what their plans are for the NFL Draft and their reactions to the news coming out about the draft. They also discuss Ohio State's Athletic Director Gene Smith's comments about the upcoming college football season, and Pat remembers some fond memories of Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia (18:57-1:29:06). Lastly, Super Bowl Champion and Pro Bowler, former defensive end for the Detroit Lions and Seattle Seahawks, Cliff Avril joins Pat and the boys. They discuss his experiences on winning a Super Bowl and also being on the 0-16 Lions and some of the differences he noticed between the two, his thoughts on the NFL Draft and why he thinks we should expect fireworks with all the tech issues, what the Seahawks need to do in the offseason/draft in order to get back on top of the NFC, what he thinks is going to happen with Jadeveon Clowney and what kind of player he is, and his approach to playing rookie quarterbacks during the season (1:31:20-1:44:17). Today's show is a fun one. Don't forget to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat with a picture of where you're listening to the show for the opportunity to win some free merch. As always, stay safe out there, we're all in this thing together. Come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's great for all body types. Just like this show. smooth transition winning awards for that type of stuff yeah in the youtube comment section we do youtube question i was asked which three people would i like to smoke dead or alive i went with obviously steve jobs to my right snoop dogg crossed the table for me and tom brady to my left strictly because i just heard tom smoked when he was a freshman in high school, and I would like to get that information. I miss out on Elon Musk and Rogan. Elon Musk, obviously, is somebody I'd like to talk to because he's an alien. You know what I mean? Joining us now, let me pivot, a guy that played in the NFL for 11 years, Super Bowl champ, two-time Pro Bowler,

absolute stud, roll tied, Roman Harper. That boy, Roman. That boy, Roman. Appreciate it, Phil. Hey, and Pat, man, you're not just going to skip over that, bro. If you got a crew like that puffing one up, bro, you got to put me down. I didn't know you were into the vitamins,

Roman. You know, I mean, with that group, how can you say no? I agree, man. You know, Steve Jobs, he's a terrible dad, but I got questions. Obviously, I got questions. Snoop, I had to choose between either Snoop or Willie. I went with Snoop strictly because Willie's 85. I'm not sure how active he would be in the conversation.

And then Tom, did you hear his interview with Howard Stern? No. Oh, you got to listen. This is the first time tom's ever opened up like this i heard him swear he talked about penises i mean tom brady was wide open roman let's talk about you though man you got a chance to play with a lot of great football players uh you were a great football player what do you think separates the great from the good and do you think there are things that are telling about somebody going into this draft process that's like you know what this guy is potentially going to be great or this guy has a chance of maybe be uh not so good i think the real determining fact that

separates all those guys because we all know in at the nfl talent is an abundant right talent everybody has that but what really separates the guys is really the time on task the work ethic and really who they are on the inside. Some things that you really can't measure. Like you don't know that much about that person until you actually see them go to work every day. You see them do the little things in and out every day. The things that seem simple to them, I mean, they put work in it every day and they're working on the things that they're not good at. And they're also mastering the talents that they were blessed with every day so that's very that's basically tom said that as well do you think it's a big deal

that a lot of these gms and scouts i mean granted they saw him at the combine but everybody knows the combine is just a fake conversation right now yeah these guys can't meet with a lot of these people that are potential draft prospects people that they're potentially going to invest millions of dollars hundreds of thousands of dollars in and bring into their culture do you think that's a much bigger deal than what a lot of people are talking about right now i think so because especially like when you're getting uh well you're going to have some first round bust that's just normal but when you get to that second third fourth round guy where you normally would hey this is a good guy all right he's a good personality guy he's a good you know coaches

coaches coaches love him he's a great personality guy. He's a good, you know, coaches love him. He's a great personality. He's going to be a great fit for this locker room. You're not going to know that, right? You're only going to have to be able to go off of the things that you heard from their college scouts or their college teammates or other coaches where most of the time they don't really shoot you 100% straight. So you're really going to depend on your own scouting staff a lot of all the research

that they did on the back half and the early stages of the whole scouting process and really just have to go from it from there. But you're going to have a lot of guys that probably going to miss on some things. And you're not going to know personality wise that they're going to be a great fit in your locker room. I think that's really what's going to kind of separate things. And we all know at the end of the day, teams that win long term for eight years in a row or things like that it's all about the mesh of the team and then the locker room like that is where you win at so often and not really all the talent and how much how many people you draft it's all about the locker room fit i i was on a i was on a team that went undefeated until we chose to lose and we lost

the saints obviously and then a couple years later is that funny I mute him and then I was on a team a couple years later that was completely defeated right and then I so I yeah I feel like I are almost completely defeated I feel like I've been very fortunate enough to realize and see the differences in a incredibly run team and then a team that was like kind of figuring it out that camaraderie is the biggest X factor. Those teams that are great love each other. They absolutely love each other, which brings me to this point. Everybody that's ever played with Tua has said he's a great leader.

He's loved in the locker room. Same thing with Joe Burrow, by the way. Joe Burrow goes down to LSU. He's beloved in that locker room. The conversation now is all pivoting around the fact, would you rather take Tua or Air Bear? Because everybody because everybody thinks the dolphins are going to take either tua or air bear at five as a roll tide guy i have assumed you've heard incredible stories about tua it's unfortunate the amount of injuries he's had obviously but that tua to a t to a t to a t video that he put

out the other night showing that he's gone through a tornado in Nashville. He had a surgery. He's rehabbing now the coronavirus quarantine. It feels like Tua is stacking up for a potential big-time revenge. Am I inaccurate in saying that? And would you bank on Tua being your guy? I would definitely bank on Tua being my guy. Look, I got a short story about Tua.

Look, I'd never met the kid. And then I was in South Carolina this year when they played in South Carolina. I was in the locker room after the game. And he comes up and talks to me. And it's like, man, I know so much about you. And just completely opens up. And I'm just like, dude, you're the one that I'm supposed to come talk to you and introduce you. I've been out of this locker room for 14, 15 years.

There's no way you should know who I am, but he's a humble kid, man. And he comes from humble beginnings and all he's ever done has been successful everywhere he's been. And this guy can flat out throw the ball. I would like to, and I'm going to go away from all the Alabama stuff. Look, just flat out, which quarterback is going into games and won the game by throwing the football? That's Tua. Herbert's never really won a game by throwing the football. Last year in the biggest game of the Rose Bowl, he won it by his legs. He wasn't great throwing the ball. I've never really seen him. The best game he actually threw the ball was against Washington. And I was actually at that

game because I was visiting my brother and some friends in Seattle. And so that was his best game. But overall, besides that, I want to see his best game against the best competition and him really light it up. And I think Tua's done that more often. And you're not going to all of a sudden show up in the NFL and still be able to run the ball as a quarterback unless you're Lamar Jackson, which he still had the offense. Everything built around his skill set was what made him successful.

It's not just that he's athletic and can run, but everything around him was built to give him success. And are they going to do the same thing with Herbert coming in, right? Are they going to build a whole offense just around him? Where in Oregon, they still ran the ball predominantly and then passed the ball off of that off of play action, some straight drop back and some other things, but mostly using his legs and his athletic ability.

Well, you're 100% right with Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Raven offense, because he had some success in his first year there're playing but they went all in with him three tight end sets yeah i mean they went all in on the mindset and by the way it paid off for him last year i think marshall yonder retiring i've said this on numerous occasions is going to be a tough spot to feel that guy is an absolute mauler and they they cut up a highlight reel of an offensive lineman when he retired and by the way there was only i think like 15 to 20 touchdowns or just let's go right behind marshall yonda i mean it was just that'll be intriguing to watch and you're thinking air bear they're gonna have to do the same for him to have success and with tua everybody says the number one

quality a quarterback can have is accuracy it felt like tua was one of the most accurate quarterbacks i'd ever seen come through college football i agree agree. And not only that, but if you look at the little things, like everybody wants to talk about Alabama's great receiving quarter they had the last two years, which they really have. That's undeniable. But did you ever see a receiver work hard for a pass? Like he was throwing them open all the time. I know the guys are getting open, but they were never diving for balls.

They were never like jumping all crazy or high. It was right in the catching point, right in the basket. And they were able diving for balls they were never like jumping all crazy or high it was right in the catching point right in the basket and they were able to catch and run it wasn't like they were diving having to slide and make a tough catch no these guys are catching and running with the ball afterwards and really showcasing their talent so I think when you take all that into credit he throws one of the prettiest balls I've ever seen probably the best deep ball I've seen out of a college quarterback and the the numbers just, they speak for themselves. I don't have to continue to defend all this guy that Tua has done. I don't think he's going to get past number three in the draft.

I'm just being honest with you. I think he's a lock at three. At the latest, somebody's going to come up and get him because you're not going to fool around and think you're going to wait until number five if you're the Dolphins and Tua's your guy. I think Herbert will be there at five. I don't think Tua will be there at five.

Do the injuries, which are noted and for surgeries in a couple years, is a tough look, especially when you're in Alabama and you have a great offensive line and you've got all the weapons around you. People say if you can't stay healthy in that particular environment, how will you stay healthy in that particular environment, how will you stay healthy in a 22-game season? How will you stay healthy in an 18-game season, a 16-game season with grown men who are trying to feed their families coming up? Does that worry you at all, or do you think this is just something

he got unlucky in a lot of situations? Or were the surgeries not necessarily necessary? Yes. I think a couple of those ankle surgeries weren't necessarily necessary. They just said, hey, we can do this, get you fixed and have you back. Do you want to do it? Is that how you feel too? Yes. That is the Alabama thing. Like they just started that like three years ago and two, it just happened to be a product of that because he had two high ankle sprains. And that was a new thing that they started doing there that, you know, if we get a high ankle sprain guy,

we're going to have this surgery and it heals them up faster. And we get them back in two to three weeks instead of four to five weeks. So I definitely think that was two of his surgeries right there. Two out of the three that we're talking about was because of that. The hip injury is just a freak accident. Nobody saw that coming when the guy lands on you. And at the end of the day, too, you have to learn how to protect yourself. Understand that you are a value to this team.

And that is okay, that you're not going to make every play, every throw is not going to be perfect. And sometimes you've got to be able to live to fight another day. I think with the right coaching staff, the right person in his ear, and even the right veteran quarterback presence, right, that's been in the pocket, that's been in a lot of wars, that knows when to tuck and throw it or slide, get out of the way, and get rid of this thing. And, hey, in the next series, trust your defense, and we'll get back out there and able to score again. Like T.Y. Hilton, I watched T.Y. Hilton do this, and Reggie Wayne did this,

and Marvin Harrison did this. Oh, yeah, they all slide and get out of the way. They just get the first down and get down. And, by the way, the first couple times they do it, they are mocked. They are told that they're weak. They're soft. They're not giving it their all for their team. And then you see them start playing for like an entire season.

It's like, oh, this guy, instead of getting an extra yard and a half, he decided he wants to play next week. That seems to be a smart decision there. That seems like a smart. Here's another guy, Greg Olson, with all due respect, started doing that later in his career as well. Just get the first down. He doesn't even care about the yak.

You know, early you want to be hard and you want to break tackles. Everybody wanted to be the Jeremy Schott. He gets the helmet knocked off, run an extra 20 yards. I mean, it's hype. It's cool. But after so long i'm fine who do you think trades up to get to the chargers look like that'd be a great place i mean they need a franchise now granted tom telesco was on get up yesterday with granny and he said tyrod taylor's

our guy we're moving forward with him but that type of star power with two it could be good for a team that we've been saying and everybody's been saying they're gonna have to sell some tickets at some point, Nelly. I mean, at some point, you've got to get a franchise guy. Do you think they're going to make a move, or who do you think it would possibly be? It's got to be the Dolphins or the Chargers. My surprise pick is the Patriots because I always think they're up to something

that nobody ever knows about. Oh, my God. Could you fathom that? He would be so good, too. And then get the ball out of his hand so quick. Oh, my. To me, that is my take on it. It's going to be the Dolphins, the Chargers, or the Patriots.

The Patriots are always up to something that nobody ever knows about. And they always come up with the right move at the right time. And they don't have to pay him because they already got that allotted for it because the rookie contracts are already allotted for the salary cap. You got that old man who's playing for free next year. Who's that? Hoyer? Yeah.

Oh my. Another quarterback that's out there that hasn't found a home that I'm surprised by that the Chargers didn't go get is a guy that you were teammates with, Cam Newton. How do you feel about it? What do you think? I think Cam Newton is about to really dominate somewhere, but it seems like there's potentially no suitors for the guy.

What the hell is going on there? I think it's a bad timing thing, right? Like, you know, if everybody would have known that Cam Newton was going to be a free agent when the market opened up, I think he's gone first day, right? But the fact that nobody knew Carolina was like, oh, he's going to be a free agent when the market opened up, I think he's gone first day, right? But the fact that nobody knew Carolina was like, oh, he's going to be our quarterback. And then on a random Tuesday, they signed Teddy Bridgewater on like the second day of free agency. Everybody's like, whoa, now next you know, oh, Cam Newton, you can go seek a trade.

Well, everybody knows there's no trade value because they're not going to give up anything that, you know, you're not going to keep both of these guys. We know you're going to release them in another week. And now everybody signed their quarterback. We know that Miami wants to go young. They're going to draft Chargers. They're definitely going to draft the quarterback and they have Tyrod Taylor who they're saying they're going to be. So where's the fit? Like who else needs a quarterback? Cincinnati has Andy Dalton just sitting over there, but we all know they're going to take Joe Burrow. So what is the fit? I'm looking forward

to what Cam's going to do. I think this is an uncomfortable position for Cam. But I think just like Cam has done every part of his life, he's always just kind of figured it out and became a star, just like everything else. And I think at some point he's probably going to maybe have to take up a role as a backup guy like Taney Hill did, knowing that, hey, I'm coming in here to compete.

And eventually – but he's going to take a really strong locker room. Who's going to be able to take a locker room on with Cam Newton as possible the backup quarterback or the guy in waiting, right? Yeah, like who's going to be the starting quarterback that's comfortable with that, right? So that's another conversation because the backup quarterback is probably going to get more interview opportunities and is going to dress better than the starting quarterback.

He's going to be bigger, stronger arm, all these other things. Like, that's a really tough spot to be for a team to bring in somebody as well. So I think that's also playing a part of it as well, is like how can we take this on and still look like we're confident in the guy that we have, but we're going to bring in Cam Newton anyway. And this is not cam newton is nothing like tim tebow and tim tebow is nothing like calling kaepernick but this is the conversation that was happening about all of them your backup quarterback can't be a massive distraction for

your team because the quarterback room the quarterback position is a big deal if you have somebody in that room that's a distraction to your team whether it's tim collin and cam newton they might say it because he's a massive personality and very good at football like very good at football i mean that'll be a potential distraction that you could see how teams would be like ah we're not we're not we can't put ourselves in that situation um last thing before we let you go here and i can't thank you enough for your time you're always great on this show by the way bro I appreciate it bro appreciate it Pat real talk bro no problem do you have that thing that I see on the internet it's like this hat that you put on and then it's a wire that you strap to a wall and then you work out your neck you look like you could headbutt a

wall right now what do you I mean you look you are a you could still i think you could play the xfl if you wanted to i appreciate that because it wasn't gonna be the nfl thank you for that no yeah i didn't want the secondary i mean that's tough that's tough appreciate it dog thank you thank you i would definitely say man i've always just all of a sudden out of nowhere i got this really big neck in college dude i don't know it hasn't gone anywhere my my head is kind of skinny too so that's another thing that really just just really overplays it so it's kind of what it is but i'll take the compliment see i have such a big i mean somebody started internet like a website like roman harper's neck like back ladies and gentlemen joining us today with a great conversation,

Roman Harper and his neck. Thank you, man. Appreciate it, Pat, man. Roll Tide, baby. Have a good one, dude. Y'all be good. Yeah, you too, Roman. This is McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk.

I am Pat McAfee, the first half of that name. The second half of that name, we just found out, I'm Pat McAfee, the first half of that name. The second half of that name, we just found out, is the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. Let's go, AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk.

Sitting to my left. Yeah, it's because you guys like to sarcastically chant my name. No! I've been getting multiple messages online of people having their kids do the same thing, mimicking what you guys do. So I appreciate you for that. Well, they always say those little

fucking things are just like parents. They'll repeat anything that they're told. And I want to tell any kid watching this, make sure that if you're a parent and your kid has any kid watching this, make sure that if you're a parent and your kid has any ability to speak, make sure you record him going, I love Tim Tebow and I love A.J. Hawk. A.J. Hawk.

A.J. Hawk. A.J. Hawk. I would vomit if I saw a bunch of kids chanting my name. Why'd you add Tebow into that mix? I'm honored to be breathing the same sentence as tim tebow well you should be uh he put out a motivational video this weekend that i sent to you the day of easter i thought you maybe wanted to hear from tim tebow and you said it made your day a lot better am i accurate in saying that yes you are very accurate did you watch can we play that did you watch the video i sent you yeah

Can we play that? Did you watch the video I sent you? Yeah. I wanted to save it for the show. Oh, so you didn't watch it? No. This guy. I saw it. You know how when you send a video, I see it in my text, but when you click on it, then

it opens up another page. I didn't want to go through the whole rigmarole of opening another page. Oh, the rigmarole. Show a link. Show a link, AJ. The rigmarole of opening another page. Oh, the rigmarole. Show a link, AJ. The rigmarole of a text message, okay? I just tried to bring you a little happiness because we got more than one message to this office telling us that we need to check in with you. You didn't look like the same AJ Hawk on Friday as you normally do. So, yeah, you sent me a screenshot of some guy that sends you a message saying,

hey, love the show. Please check on AJ. He didn't seem like himself. Seems like something's off about him. Just want to give you a heads up. Make sure you check on that guy. Yeah, so I sent you that and a video by Tebow just in case. What was wrong with me on Friday?

Well, the guy thought you stunk. Didn't he? Something was off. The guy said he thought you stunk. Well, good. I'd rather him think that I stunk on the show and i wasn't able to explain whatever i was thinking then to think like something's physically wrong with me or i may be coming down with something hey speaking of physical i mean those eyes with that blue shirt are you kind of bummed you didn't get drafted to

a blue team i've literally never thought about my eye color until i started doing this show with you guys. Well, it's literally all we can see is the assassin blue of your eyes right there. I mean, it's unbelievable. Have you seen that? He did that on purpose. It looks good. Yeah, he did that on purpose.

That shovel jawline with those blue eyes with the blue shirt. I mean, you're trying to sell a little sex appeal. I've been gaining pounds, so I'm going the opposite direction. Yeah, why do you have a loose, baggy sweatshirt on today? I don't know. Every once in a while, when I wear something big, it makes me feel small. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Yeah, what do you want to wear, horizontal or vertical stripes? Which ones are better? Vertical, for sure. That's why I wore the number one. It made me look thin. If I could have been the 11, I would have. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to wear those all whites.

We wore Spanx. The Colts, this will be our first conversation. So the Colts uniform is the most traditional uniform. It's one of those ones where any little change is a massive operation because Jim Irsay loves the tradition of the Colts. He likes that the Baltimore Colts were an old-school team. He's very much an OG football guy. So anytime there's a little bit of a change. We wore a different color helmet one time, and it was a big ordeal.

They just added a new secondary logo. Now, granted, to get back to your point, we'd wear all white. I mean, it looked cool, everybody said, I guess. But, boy, if you start gaining them pounds like a punter or kicker would after the holiday season, and they got those 4K cameras, it was a fucking nightmare to wear those all whites on the road. mean it was no fun i'd much rather wear the blue but they made a secondary logo which they had to clear in the video in the presentation they're like listen horseshoe will always be our logo always and forever we are the horseshoe now with that being

said we did create a new logo. It'll be our secondary logo for branding and stuff like that. And I'm going to be honest, there's always a mixed result of humans on how they feel about things. I didn't absolutely hate this one. I didn't absolutely hate it. I think it'll look cool on a hat. I'd assume that's where it's going to go on a hat and a shirt and a hoodie and things like that. What do you think about that secondary logo there? You see the state of Indiana in the middle. It's a horseshoe. Turn that son of a bitch sideways. You see the state of indiana in the middle it's a horseshoe turn that song bitch sideways you see the c for the colt i mean it's an interesting little thing it seems to be a merch move but i don't mind it that much do you hate it no i don't hate it it's

fine i i'm just i wonder why so many teams seem to be switching their jerseys up having different alternate obviously i know it's about money but was this like a year or two in the making or is this something that they've decided to jump on now that the world is where it is right now i don't know i would assume it took them a little while to create this this isn't something the colts any massively storied franchise it's going to take a while anytime you want to make a change and in their unveiling they had an entire video they're like hey this is our primary logo we want to let you know the horseshoe is not going anywhere. This is just our secondary logo.

If you see it, it is a Colts affiliate. And then obviously the historic logo. But I don't mind to see it. I actually can't wait for a hat with that thing on it. I'm pretty pumped up about it. I see like maybe a gray hat with that thing right on top of it there. I got a big brain, so hats don't always fit. It would have to be the right one.

But I see that on a hat. I think it's a good move by them. Yeah, it's fine. So will they have a couple games during the season like for their color rush nights where they wear that secondary logo on their helmet great question it's color rush every time it's a white game anyways it's just all white so it's it's i don't know i don't know it's like an added but whenever you play that what thursday night nfl network slash fox game they always it's kind of like an alternate all white all it's all one solid color usually i'm a big color rush fan i like the way it looks out there now some of them are just absolute dog shit but some of them are very very

good i like the all one color uniform i think i'm a big fan of that i think if somebody goes all black i like it everybody made fun of the falcons or whatever but i didn't mind yeah the mean machine obviously prisoners playing football and it's all that stuff but i like the all black look like it everybody made fun of the falcons or whatever but i didn't mind yeah the mean machine obviously prisoners playing football and it's all that stuff but i like the all black look like i enjoy that type of stuff yeah i do guys get excited about it too when i was in high school we had two different options for pants and two different options for our jersey so our coach depending on how we were playing we always wanted to wear all black at home but if we weren't winning by as much as our coach felt like we should have we didn't get to wear all black oh so all black was a celebration yeah hey we're all black if you guys are up to snuff yeah and if we're not playing well we're gonna wear gold pants white jerseys

that was like the lowest of the wrong that's like in west virginia we had a lot of different options and anytime those gold and white was out there we knew something was wrong we look terrible you knew rich rod was was upset huh i'll tell you what motherfuckers where's he at now he's a free agent currently he will be i thought he was going to be a head coach this year i thought he was going to be a head coach this year somewhere i thought old miss was going to take him mississippi state one of those teams that lost their coach on the sec where he had a lot of success this past year with old uh that rise Plumlee I believe his name is I called him out of his games I should know that the quarterback he was a freshman anyways he had a lot of success in the SEC and I think obviously the PR thing that happened and the decisions he made don't help him much but I thought he would be a head coach

because all that matters is winning games but turns out it might not matter anyways ohio state ad said if fans can't be there whacking the players there might not be a damn season is that what everybody's saying is there might not be a damn season getting floated around kirk herb street came out a couple weeks ago and he sounded like a real fear monger people were going after our guy herbie there then obviously he was potentially going to monday night football he was not listed as the commentators for the draft April 23rd through the 25th. It'll be Trey Wingo, Mel Kuyper, Louis Riddick, Booger McFarland, Rich Eisen, Daniel Jeremiah, Kurt Warner, Michael Irvin, Susie Colbert, Adam Schefter, and Chris Mortensen. So somehow our guy Herbie has been left off of this list. Is it because he came out and said there might not be a season? You think that's why? Maybe, or maybe it could be the fact that

they're waiting kirk's going to be like a surprise where they go to and a little lull during the uh the broadcast and they go to him and they formally announce he and fowler as the new booth for monday night so that could be a good little pr thing for espn would it be i don't know there's a lot of college football people that'll be pissed if they go they don't care about college but he's still gonna do college he said there's no way he just does that he's gonna continue if he if he takes the monday night gig it would be in addition to what he's already doing i can understand uh somebody in the comments just said the color rush look like pajamas for some teams some teams look bad you

know the best uniforms out there ever bears the bumblebee stealers yeah i don't mind them i like them the bumblebee stealers are my favorite my absolute favorite just because they look so fucking ridiculous whenever they do not look like an nfl jersey when they're out there it looks like something out of a movie it looks like something out of back in the day and i'm like i think I think we played against them when they were wearing the Bumblebees and they hung 100 on us, I think, at one point. I like those Bumblebee jerseys. The Packers have one, too.

They have that one where it's like just the. Yeah, the Acme Packers ones. Yeah, that one. Did you guys ever wear that whenever you were there? Yeah, we wore it a few times. And the best part, when we wore those throwbacks, you put them in a bag and you take them home right after the game. They let you have them.

Like, I have pictures of my one buddy after one of my games in the in my living in my kitchen hammered drunk and he put my full uniform on had blood all over the pants and everything he's doing push-ups i gotta find them did you get to take your jerseys after each season no you i when i left green bay uh they gave me the option to buy them. I bought a couple of my helmets and some of my jerseys. Yeah, see, I don't know if that wasn't an option or I just didn't know about it. You just put it in your bag and took off? No, no, I didn't. I tried not to.

I was voted captain in my fourth year or whatever by the team. And that was, yeah, yeah. So it was the year that Chuck was sick. So Bruce was the interim head coach. And he had a team vote. And I think, by the way, I think Bruce Aarons actually, I don't want to say listened to the team vote, but I think he listened to the team vote.

It was me, Robert, Andrew, and I forget, somebody else or whatever. And since I'd been with the Colts for a little bit, I know how the game is. If you give a, you can't, there's no jersey exchange. There was no, you don't take your jersey like you just give it back like there's there was I don't want to say penalties but it did seem like that that year where I had the uh the captain or whatever on my jersey I was like at the end of the year after we lost I think it was a playoff game uh they were coming to collect all our stuff and I told our equipment manager I'm

like uh they're never gonna let me be captain of this team again so I'm gonna steal this jersey right now and he was like well why'd you tell me i was like i'm just gonna tell you you're not getting this jersey i'm taking it he was like do you want your alternate one then too i was like yeah i'll steal both of them he's like you're gonna get charged for these i was like i don't care i just know i'm never gonna get this captain again so i would like it so they gave me the equipment managers who are my dudes gave me both jerseys and then they gave me the alternate c's too there's like a camouflage c and like another C. They're like, here you go. If you ever want to sew them on yourself, here you go.

I was like, they're never going to let me get voted captain again. So I just hawked them and stole them in my bag. And then we got out of there. How much does that cost? Like the helmets and all that stuff? Like for you guys? I never got an opportunity to buy the thing. It took a couple thousand, though, they would charge for the jerseys and stuff like that.

Yeah. I don't know if it's a couple thousand. I mean, it depends how many you get. I think each one's at least four or 500 bucks though. Colts played no games like the trading of jerseys. It was finable offense. Like the whole thing. I mean,

they had, they paid in green Bay. We didn't trade jerseys when I was there. It was a big deal. It was like, Hey, we don't, we don't,

that's not the way we operate here. Yeah. I know that's your best friend and maybe you guys grew up together and this is like your dream come true to play against each other in the NFL, but we don't fucking care. We do not care. Don't do it. Didn't even think about trading jerseys then after i retired it seemed like every human on every team was trading jerseys with every person i knew the equipment managers would bring some people multiple jerseys to trade it looked like on television that was insane to me i didn't i didn't really understand lamar jackson handed out what nine

jerseys against the jets this year that. That's awesome. That is absolutely awesome. I would assume Lamar has to pay for those, too. He's a nice guy. He is a nice guy. Hopefully he was giving them jerseys from the pro shop, the huge 4X jerseys they'd make you wear if you went and did something on a Tuesday at a local school. Like, oh, hey, we brought you a jersey.

And the thing goes down to your elbows like it's a hockey sweater. It was so big. Community Tuesday. Yeah, they used to have me go speak at things. They're like, we'll bring, we brought you a jersey. And the thing goes down to your elbows like it's a hockey sweater. It was so big. Community Tuesday. Yeah, they used to have me go speak at things. They're like, we'll bring a jersey for you to wear. And I'm like, I'll go buy my own. Because they would literally give you a 7X. I had a 7X.

It was just hanging down there like, I'll tuck it in. I'm like, you got me on the news looking like a fucking fool right now. They're like, oh, yeah, don't worry about it. You wear a jersey. You look fine. I'm like, oh, OK. Yeah, there's an article from NBC Sports

that players are charged 500 bucks for jerseys. Yeah, that's if you're not getting fined too on top of it. I mean, it's just like,

Zion traded with somebody. I forget who it was. Zion traded with somebody and it was a veteran player who walked over and asked for his jersey. He took it off. Zion didn't ask the guy

for his jersey, just walked off. Oh yeah, Travelle McGee. I've never seen anything as awesome as that like yeah thank you man get the fuck away from me by the way he's like you want uh no forget it i probably wouldn't if i were you either would you want a basketball player's shoes i've seen that like where lebron takes his shoes off and hands them

to a kid on the way out like think how sweaty and nasty they are in that moment like i would take them home and throw them through the washer and And they're size 15, 17, 18. They're never going to be able to wear them. I want to be like Mike. They probably don't want to wear them, but how do you even find a shelf to put those things on? They're so big. It's a big shelf.

I agree. Those are like size 18 shoes. Why don't you get Shaq's? Yeah. I would like Shaq's. He could have young infants sleep inside of Shaq's shoes. No, it didn't – he gave his shoes to somebody who was just – there's bigger shoes out there, bigger feet than Shaq, I think.

Boban. I think there's bigger feet than Shaq out there. Manute Bull, remember him? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he had to tape that thing up there too, you know what I mean? Oh, he did? I didn't know about that. Swinging around in between his legs.

Biggest shoe size in the NBA right now goes to Boston. Taco Fall, four times bigger than Shaquille O'Neal's. Four times? That's not. That's what it says right here. He's got seven foot long shoes? Four sizes. Or four sizes bigger.

Yeah, yeah, four times. Or four sizes bigger. Yeah, yeah. Four times. The guy's foot is actually four and a half feet big. His feet. Unbelievable. Four sizes bigger than him.

Shats, yeah. Hey, Pat, do you have a lot of guys come up to you, like, say, a father of a kid who may be fifth or sixth grade, and they like to brag to you about the shoe size of their kid? No. It happens to me a lot. I don't know why. That's Ohio at him he's like look at timmy fifth grade already in size 13 and he's like what about you what size shoe were you wearing in fifth grade i'm like i don't know fours i only wear 12s now so he's much bigger bigger than mine that's 35 36 year old and i'm like you might want to and then you can see like the gap between his heel and how he has five inches of extra space he's just sliding around those you might want to. And then you can see, like, the gap between his heel. He has five inches of extra space. He's just sliding around those things.

And I wanted to be like, you know, putting those big old shoes on him doesn't. That makes him worse. His feet are not going to. He's not going to have quick feet. Like, you don't want gigantic feet like that. Did you play any other sports growing up, or was it just football? No, it was football, baseball, basketball. How was your shot?

Pretty good? Yeah, it was point guard. Oh, you still got it? A little bit. Can't really stop and start or elevate like I want to off a bum knee and ankles and feet, but I can still do it a little bit. I don't mess around. I don't play pickup ball.

That's just painful to think of. He was liquid Drano from The Office. Really? No, I was terrible, actually. No, he stunk. Terrible. I was terrible out there in your fun house. It's Office.

It's actually McAfee Global Headquarters, actually, for the day. It's where it's being titled. I'm in a big Madden tournament. I'm not allowed to talk about it, but I would like to talk about it. Can we talk about it? Well, they don't know if it's going to happen. I think there's a lot of question marks on whether or not it's going to happen. Some big games in this Madden tournament,

and it's the only reason why I've never played a game of Madden in my life. I played one game of Madden my entire life, and my brother beat me in the last second by taking a punt to the house, turn around, back to his house, turn around, back to the house again, and I said, I'm never fucking playing this game again. And I didn't until now against titty boy how did that come about where you're playing two chains head-to-head and madden i really don't know and i'm not 100 sure if it's going to happen or not like that's why i'm not allowed to talk about it why has he not given like a firm confirmation

it's a whole tournament and i think they're very confused on whether or not everybody's going to show up or not because i guess there's a lot of rather large names being addressed here and i guess anytime you have those types of people involved there's a chance that schedules could conflict and change is there any way you could hand the controls over to somebody there and let them play for you so you advance we did think about that but it turns out like i have to be pretty rigorous about paying attention or we'll get caught, and that's a bad look, I guess. Because you're going to be on screen, right? Yeah, our first thought was I'm handing the sticks to Ty.

I got some dummy sticks, like tummy sticks, and I'm just bouncing around talking shit to two chains. But I guess if he and I are on the same page, it'll be very apparent, and we don't want to piss off Titty Boy. True. I wonder if he's good. I'm sure he has more experience playing the game than you do. He's better than I am.

I just played two quarters upstairs here before we got live on the air. I think I got it figured out. Two quarters in. Can't wait. Is it going to be on Twitch? I need to be Lamar Jackson. I need to be the Baltimore Ravens. If he takes – if anybody takes if two

chains takes lamar jackson i'm in a bad spot i'm in a bad spot i probably just gave away he's probably watching right now titty boy's probably one of the 55 definitely watching if he is tell him to call in i'm different yeah i'm different i'm different hey has he been putting out uh anything lately oh i'm gonna ask him i'm like yo can we get a quarantine uh demo guys a little bit something something for people out here trying to battle through quarantine hey so what am i watching on quarantine when i see all these clips pop up online of like diddy and doing like they're just like there's side by side screenshots like they're just on ig live talking that's instagram live everybody on earth is live on instagram live everybody you can't even scroll

through instagram without somebody popping up on top is going live, and you accidentally click on it every once in a while, and you're the only person in there, and now it gets weird, and then you've got to get the hell out of here. It turns out you can mute all these people, though. I didn't know that. You can also turn off those notifications. Really? Yeah.

Need that yesterday. I was in a couple I shouldn't have been in yesterday. A couple I shouldn't have been in. A couple religious a couple I should have been in yesterday a couple I shouldn't have been in a couple religious ones I should have been in really were you in the diddy one when Lizzo popped up no I didn't see the diddy one I saw that he went live but I saw the video today Lizzo started twerking with Diddy and then he stopped it did he was excused family family right this is family oriented well I G live And then a little bit later, Drea of Hip Hop and you get it. She was in there.

And she's, some would say, a little bit more attractive than Lizzo. And she was twerking all over Diddy's IG Live. And he did not stop it. Maybe he just didn't see the second girl twerking. No, no, yeah. He was promoting. Intently. Happy to see you.

Kind of a shot at Lizzo. Cross the bars is what everybody's saying at Lizzo. Can't do it. Can't do it to Lizzo. She's too popular right now. Is she? I don't know. Me neither.

She had her first hit, I know, that was big. And then she's had a few follow-ups, hasn't she? She had that ass out at the Lakers game. Yeah. It was trending. Her ass was? Yes, and the IG Live incident. Well, yeah, it's because Diddy was trending, right?

It was just Lizzo. Oh. She's very popular. Because Diddy was on there with LeBron, too. Really? What did he say to LeBron? LeBron and Bronny, they were hanging out, dancing around. Just dancing the whole time?

Yeah. This is that TikTok. Everybody's just dancing. Should we do this tonight on your IG Live? Nah. I was joking. Were you? Do you want to do it or not?

Yeah, you call me up tonight on IG Live. I'll answer. No, you call me up on IG Live. I didn't know I was allowed to. I was able to turn off those notifications. How do I do that? Get me the hell out of here. Probably in the setting somewhere.

Bingo. I rolled into Gary V's. I might have been the first one in there. And I was like, I thought he saw me. Did he say anything? Did he see you pop up? I thought he saw me. I was like, get me out of here.

And they don't let you out, by the way, because they don't want you out because they want you in there. So it's like hard to get out. I was doing the screen and I had to hit the X. What was he doing? Rifling through baseball cards or? Oh, come on. Beanie babies.

I love Ty. I love Ty. Ty's attitude towards everybody just makes me happy. What do you mean? What do you mean? Ty, I have to tell you. There's a clip from our Friday show, I believe. Oh, yeah.

I sent that to somebody who's a fan of the show and might be Pat's best friend. And I think he enjoyed it. Let's go. Let's go. Hey, that's big for Ty what you just said right there. He said, wow. That's all he said.

He just started calling you out of nowhere. Give me your Lou Holtz. Give me the hell out. I just turned those off. That would never happen to me again. There you go. That would never happen to me again. But what if you stumbled upon somebody

that you may not on your own search out and you're like, oh, this is actually really good. I didn't really know what this person did. Won't happen. That won't happen. Willing to live with that. Yeah, I'm okay with that. That won't happen. Everybody's IG lives are terrible.

I saw somebody on an account that had 20.8 million followers and there was only 312 viewers whenever I just so happened to go in there. And I was like, probably ain't it? Because I almost wrote that in the comments. Get fuck out everybody this is not good this is what do you do what's the reason behind it like you from what i've seen when people are on ig live they just they're just looking at who is entering the room and talking to like responding to a couple comments reggie wayne and ed reed go live every night Worth a watch By the way Worth a watch Because their conversations

Hilarious OGs And then every once in a while Whenever people show up in the chat They get roasted By Reggie And it's a good one Ed Reed and Reggie go live on a regular basis

I'll enjoy that one There's a couple other ones That I'll poke my head into But other than that I don't really find it Is scott storge still going it's still that's my guy now he's the beat store yeah man on the piano i love he's he's legit bro he's always got that cone sticking out of his mouth too and he's always like wait he buried manny fresh in that beat battle the first one i'll'll check that out.

That's sorry. I'll go into that Instagram live world whenever there's a beat battle. Those people are very talented, like showcasing their skills for free. Not all of them. Some of them got hustled into that thing and they should not have been in there because if the Scott Storch train shows up on their IG live to to they're getting knocked right off the track. There's some people with some terrible music that are in that thing.

But Scott Storch, I don't even know who he was i guess he loved the drugs but he made basically every banger that has ever existed that guy i just thought he i knew him like as a producer i didn't know he what band was he and he was the the keyboard player for who roots the roots yeah like a legit big time band band. Scott Storch was in The Roots? He was talented. It says that on his Wikipedia, so. Zito fact-check. I did not know Scott Storch was in The Roots. I know him like AJ says. As a producer, you'd always hear Fat Joe shout him out at the beginning of a song.

Fat Joe loves Scott Storch. He's also, Fat Joe, very active in the IG Live comment section when his boy Scott Storch is competing against said Manny Fresh or something along those lines I had no idea who he was and then he popped up on my explore page and I saw him with his glasses on a piano and there was smoke coming I was like this feels like my type of thing and then I just went into a rabbit hole I'm like who the hell is this guy and everybody's like oh yeah this is the guy that made every banger from back in the day. And then he loved drugs too much. And then he's coming back.

And I like a good comeback story. He really is making a comeback, I feel like. But I'm surprised you were able to turn away from the horse game that was on TV. Was that on ESPN? Yep. Hey, people are saying the worst thing ESPN has ever put on their channel. But you've got to give them credit, I guess, for taking a shot, right? Yes. I believe

the idea was good. The concept was good. Execution was just terrible. It was half-assed. If it was a Zito production, I think people would have watched it. I think it would have got a much better response. But I like the idea. I like the concept. The tech didn't help them out much. And I believe they needed maybe some music in the background,

maybe a little energy commentary on there, maybe a little cut. Let's fast forward. HOR to HOR. Here's a good part. You know, I, I,

I just don't think there was enough, the execution. I don't think really fell, but I liked that they were trying to shoot their shot. You're a hundred percent right. I liked that they were attempting something that in particular just was uh was trash bag i give him credit for taking a shot but couldn't you come up with something other than horse like if i was in person i wouldn't care to watch anybody play horse well

i think paul pierce maybe he's my new favorite guy i mean if that means anything what did he do he just he gave very little effort and i i like that a lot it was raining i like that he gave very very very little effort trey young new rich guy hasn't taken care of his basketball court yet he got this big ass house hasn't taken care of the driveway yet because what is that what happened get the happened? Get the torch out. Get the torch out. Oh, my God. What was that thing?

I got a couple different lighters. I ran out of fluid. That's not a lighter. That is a torch that you just busted out right there. Meld metal with. Well, it's still on, actually. It's still like squirting out. Is that a TIG welder?

I mean, no, I think it's made for desserts. For some creme brulee? Yeah, for some brulee. How long can that thing shoot for? Hold that thing off a little bit. Probably like three seconds. No, no, I'm talking about length. If you held that thing like out here, would it reach?

Oh, it is. The best is when you just fill it up, I'll try. It shoots a huge fireball. Like it's not just the blue butane. That's good. Get it out. Elon Musk. You can't see it up. It shoots a huge fireball. It's not just the blue butane. That's good. You can't see it all. It's long, though. No, no.

Back it up a little bit more. See if we can get it a little bit long range. Back what up? Pull it away from there. Let's see how far it is. You can't see it. No, but if it... Let's get the cigar still.

Yeah, right there. How far? Oh, oh, oh! Are you all right? I'm good. Let's get the cigar still. Yeah, right there. How far? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh happening but then when you heard it was happening did you give it a look see i heard it was happening today when i found the fallout from it yeah see okay this is where i'm at right now how are we gonna do this show you don't even know what's going on found it this morning when i saw people talking about it but with this is my thing right now with sports channels i don't naturally just go to them all the time because there's no live sports happening right now so i'm like okay they don't really have much to offer right now me neither me neither but you just do one scroll through twitter and everybody's like horse stinks this stinks horse shit more like i mean you start going through you're like oh i forgot that horse

thing's happening and then go straight to it's like why does everybody hate on this and you watch you're like good idea shout out to conley's gym by the way mike conley might be the mvp next year with that gym that he has in his backyard absolutely incredible and then you start watching the tech and the freeze and the talk and the boringness it's just like okay i see why everybody hates this how long was it like how long of a production seven hours eight hours maybe i mean it was a full on it was it was less electric than digs walking for 40 miles is what people said. And that's just something you can't have whenever you're trying to do an internet show. Well, it's tough, I guess, when everybody else has different Wi-Fi connections.

A lot of people, they're all outside, except for Conley. It looked like that was an indoor gym he had that was fully professional. Nasty. And then the poor WNBA girl had the rollaway hoop set up in her driveway. That's Tamika catching. She's out here in Indiana, too. It is very breezy out here. Very, very, very breezy.

And she was yelling at her nephew at one point for not filming it properly. There was a wind advisory yesterday. Yeah, an actual wind advisory in Indiana. Basically every day, Indiana. Basically every day, it's windy. I came here in, what, 2009? I think I've experienced maybe two days where there hasn't been wind in Indiana. Basically every day, Indiana. Basically every day, it's windy. I came here in, what, 2009? I think I've experienced maybe two days where there hasn't been wind in Indiana.

You just forget what it's like. It's pretty tough to shoot out there. It's like shooting on those aircraft carriers when, what, Duke plays North Carolina to start the basketball season. Whoever they play, I don't know. She lost pretty bad to Conley. I mean, she had no chance, no hope, but she lost pretty bad.

Not by her fault, by the way. No dunking, thoughing though right that was a rule no dunks yeah levine did this uh that's when i fell in love with paul pierce again he did this slap off the backboard with your left hand reverse lay up with your right hand and he did it like so he's i mean it was like he was he just kind of handed in paul pier jumped up, slapped the backboard, and then just threw the ball sideways and then just kind of landed and walked it off. I was like, I love it. He made a complete mockery out of the thing. And that's why I like Paul Pierce.

Good for him. He's like, hey, man, I'm under contract with ESPN. I want those paychecks to continue to come in. I got an email. That's why I'm here. I'll do your little game, I guess. I'll do your little game. He's a heck of a setup, though, he has.

Is he out in Cali? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. Only court in LA with the Celtics logo. That's what he was saying. Have you seen Drew Brees' backyard setup, wherever that's at? Yeah, a little bit.

He always puts his kids playing basketball, that whole thing. Yeah. Pretty nice setup there. Yeah. Is that San Diego? I have no idea. I've learned that my backyard needs a little bit of a pick me up. That's what I've learned.

Your backyard's nice. I agree, but all these toys that these people have, they have like full courts and then like this going into this. Do you really want a full basketball court though? Like how often would you use that? It's for the kids. It's what the office is for. Yeah, you have that in your office. Yeah, there's got out of the wind.

There's got him salad. Had to eat a couple bullets this weekend on twitter by the way what happened he's a bfs he was uh get up put out a um a picture of all the people that appear on get up for each month of the year and it said whoever you're is on your birth or whatever, that's who you got to play in horse. And what's the outcome? And this guy named Sal, poor him. I mean, a lot of people said that they were going to beat me easily. But Sal was the one that was just right at the top of my scroll. So I clicked on Sal's profile and I looked at him a little bit.

And I was like, Sal has not done physical exercise in 14 years. I don't know why he's saying he's going to beat me mighty easily. So I said, Sal, dot, dot, dot, when was the last time you shot a basketball? And he said, one month ago with my nephew or whatever. So I let him know that

he asked me when I shot. I said, I have a fucking court in my office. I put up 100 shots a day, Sal. You and your fucking nephew would have horse five shots into the damn thing. And i don't want your bfs ever commenting under my shit again kind of felt bad kind of felt bad kind of felt bad for sal but there's a lot of people out there that i think think they have good shots and watching that horse game made me feel good about our jumpers in this office because the best of the best were even missing some very easy shots that you don't normally see out of nba people what's when you see other people a non-nba people shoot to me i don't even care as much how many they make it's how what it looks

like when like say a guy is shot putting the ball up there just a terrible athlete but he makes a few of them i'm not like oh he looks good it's like connor mcgregor do you watch when connor was at madison square garden and through that he made i think he made a three but it was the nastiest looking thing i've ever seen have you seen him throw a football yeah that was not great i mean it was like this right here you know what i appreciate about you pat when you like mimic other people or you you show us what other are doing, you actually use the right hand. He's lefty, so you use your left. Nothing is more annoying when someone's like, oh, hey, watch

me imitate Phil Mickelson, and they're swinging right handed. I'm like, no, you have to do you can't. His nickname's Lefty. His nickname's Lefty, you idiot. Yeah, because I go, hey, this is how Steve Young used to drop back, and the dude's going right handed. I'm like, no. By the way, he used to sprint backwards.

You remember that? Yeah, he did. He did a full back sprint. Every time you stand up, I think you're about to choke the mic. I will. I will. You know I will. It's Monday.

Let's ease into it. Hmm. Hmm. Is that mic talking shit? Is it? Why haven't we played the... We still haven't played the Tebow video. I don't know if the boys got it.

I think that was just a message from me to you. I don't think that was for the entire thing. I have a different Tebow video. Is it? It's not the same one you guys were talking about. Well, if I play it, we're going to have to minimize HA. Why? Because we only have one input to play sound and video.

Let's just put it on the whole screen. Yeah. We just got to minimize it, though. So you would have to go full screen. And I got to send a link over there. Never mind. Huh. That is a Zito production, though.

Look how clear this shot is, right? Much better than the horse game on ESPN. Look how clear it is. But if we want something else we're gonna have to transport files we're gonna have to maybe unplug plug her back in take it out blow on it actually bring tebow into the camera have him do a thing and then we send it up and at the right there right zito oh yeah zito production will work but there's certainly some questionable ways about it well i mean poor zito you just come up with these ideas off the top of your head

and then all of a sudden he's got 6,000 cables running throughout the whole office trying to set up cameras for five days so you guys can chip golf balls at a wooden plank. That's also how his brain's wired. That's also how the business operates and keeps these lights on. You ever heard of it? AJ? You see these lights

up here? You ever see it? I've been there. Full crescent. Yeah, you pissed in that bathroom right over there? You know that water bill that you didn't use because you refused to use the flushing stuff? You just peed on the floor? Trying to save you some money. I appreciate that.

Kyle Larson said the N-word on an iRacing event and uh has currently been suspended without pay and he has put out an apology do we have the apology oh I have the other video do we have the apology I do not so that's no wait did he did he realize instantly what he said um no but I think everybody else in the thing did so he literally just put out an apology um let me grab it here let me get the apology here he so i'm not gonna play it because i don't want that word associated with our thing at all he literally just tweeted out an apology let me find it let me find it got it right here you want me just play it into the mic? Yes, please. Yeah, I just want to say I'm sorry.

You know, last night I made a mistake and said the word that should never, ever be said. And, you know, there's no excuse for that. You know, I wasn't raised that way. You know, it's just an awful thing to say and I feel very sorry for my family my friends my partners the NASCAR community and especially the African-American community you know I understand the damage is probably unrepairable and you know I own up to that um but I just want to let you all know how sorry I am and you know I hope everybody everybody is staying safe during these crazy times. Thank you. Well, COVID-19, best wishes there at the end by Kyle Larson.

Really appreciate him looking out for everybody. He's done. That guy's done for. Absolutely, absolutely done. Hard R there at the end. I mean, he said it. I mean, there's a lot of people that told me in the first hour, like, you must not listen to

a lot of streams and if you think what he said was bad i'm like i don't by the way and if i was to listen to something that just had a bunch of caucasians saying the n-word all the time guess what i probably wouldn't do on a regular basis watch said thing because that is just buffoonery and uh i would assume chip ganassi has already suspended him from chip ganassi racing that apology i mean this guy's comeback is going to be one that'll be interesting to I would assume Chip Ganassi has already suspended him from Chip Ganassi Racing. That apology. I mean, this guy's comeback is going to be one that will be interesting to watch because I think it's going to be quite a rocky road for the guy. You just can't say said word that he said and be taken seriously in the society

that we currently live in and have ever lived in because it's one of the most, no, it is the worst word potentially ever said by white people. Absolutely. And the scary thing is, if he says this on a live stream during a race, how many times? It's not the first time. It didn't just slip out. No, that thing came out real smooth. I mean, it was like, that was his go-to almost.

It's like, oh, there's a guy that's never been friends with a black person before. Okay. That's what I just noticed right there. That is just a sad situation's a sad situation i said this during uh the first show i was a minority in my workplace for 12 years uh four years in college eight years in the nfl and that experience has taught me a lot about a lot of things that have happened in this world you know you get a chance to learn about a completely different culture and the backgrounds of the culture and the things that kind of make that culture tick i was very fortunate to do that and as a caucasian it's just like yo that word just cannot be said

because of all the pain it has caused in the past whether people will ever understand that or not i'm not 100 sure but boy kyle larson just just let that thing fly out there can you hear me well especially nascar hey can you hear me? Well, especially in NASCAR. Hey, can you hear me? I mean, it's just, I mean, wow. Just an aggressive. What about NASCAR when they're dying for new fans? Like they need people to tune in. It's so hard to get sponsorship for cars out there, especially for a full season.

Who is going to, what company is going to put their name on this guy's car? Well, Austin Stiles in the comments section just reminded us that Kyle is Asian. So does that change it? I'm not answering that question. I don't think so. I don't know. No. I am cock Asian.

Cliff Averill said no. Cliff Averill did say no. My lady, Sam, is South Korean. I'm not 100% sure she's ever said the word, but we'll let Kyle figure out whether or not she can. I guess that is something. You said you love a comeback story. Is this something that you can come back from?

I like a comeback story when you've been screwed, not when you screw yourself. Or if you, something like a guy that was an alcohol drug addict and all of a sudden he builds his life back up that those are the fun comeback stories yeah because even though you did screw yourself you realized it hit rock bottom and came back in this particular fashion just not having the awareness of the amount of hatred that spews with that word is just very interesting i think kyle larson yeah hey by the, a lot of people knowing that the NASCAR had an iRacing event this weekend that nobody else probably knew about, huh?

Excellent. There's a little piece of PR there. Nobody's talking about that. Kyle Larson just took an entire life hit, you know what I mean, for the good of his sport, even though he's coming out as a despicable, despicable individual. Ohio State Athletic Director says, if it's not safe for the fans, then why it safe for the athletes what a question here what a question being raised by a guy

who has a lot of money to be made off of games being played without fans a lot of television deals are keeping a lot of companies afloat right now that is just a factual statement because there's no live events there's not a lot lot of stuff. Television deals are keeping people going. The thought that college football could go on without fans was always an interesting one to me because college football teams have like 115 kids on the team, let alone the equipment staff, the athletic staff, the doctors that will be there, and the coaching staff. That's like 150 to 175 people per sideline.

That's over 300 humans, obviously. If it's good enough for 300 people to be on the same field as each other, running into each other, hitting each other, shaking each other's hands, why can't 100,000 people be there? That is a question I always had, and I'm happy that the athletic director, Gene Smith, from the Ohio State, raised the same question. Makes them look good. And if they're not going to classes, if students aren't going to school, and these kids are just there to be athletes, isn't it hard to say that they're student human athletes and not just being used and exploited for their athletic abilities aside from everything else i like that old gene smith asked

these questions i think it's a great question but i would imagine if you go to most college athletes right now they would be willing to to get back on the field somehow whenever like say the september comes and the regular season starts. But I agree. It's great that a guy is thinking of, like, the people, the humans. Like, hey, what are we doing? Why do we put them at this much risk? But we're not going to – the fans. The only thing I can think of is, hey, by then,

maybe we have some kind of testing protocol, taking their – we can keep an eye on 300 people a lot easier than we can 105,000 coming in every week. keep an eye on 300 people a lot easier than we can 105 000 coming in every week i think um i just think it's such an interesting by him you know what i mean because he has so much money to be made off of this ohio state almost more so than anybody else and the fact that he's saying it i think that's good good on you gene good on he's the ad there's like 38 varsity sports at ohio state like they need it's a lot of money man they're like any college go to any college campus that's trying to compete with

the big dogs there is massive amounts of construction always going on you're getting big donor money and you're putting buildings up that are workout rooms wrestling rooms weight rooms whole new indoor facilities for football teams. There's so much money surrounding college sports and especially college football. Yeah, for him to come out and say it, yeah, I think it's a good thing. Who are the big dogs? You mean like donors? Yeah, trying to compete with the big dogs.

Oh, I mean like if you're Ohio State and you want to compete with Clemson, Alabama, all of these big-time schools, your facilities have to be similar to theirs because you're entertaining recruits. You build facilities. You put all this money into your program to recruit the kids. Once they're there, you don't care. Like all these player lounges and pop-up shots and arcades, those aren't used. Like maybe during camp for a few days, but you don't have time to go in there and sit in the lounge and watch TV for two hours.

I mean, the only people that use the lounge and stuff in the golf simulators are specialists. Relax. Whenever I got recruited, we had old high school lockers at West Virginia. You know what I mean? There wasn't even a player's lounge or anything like that. But then after they built it on my way out,

you know, they built it on the way out. I was like, these kids get to basically enjoy all our bowl wins. You're welcome. We came in here. We had to rattle the cage in the lockers, and there was no air conditioning and things like that. How a couple bowl wins can kind of change things is very interesting.

But then I did think about those players' lounges and stuff. I'm like, when would these ever be used? And I went around this year for that Thursday night football, and granted, it was the day before a game or the day of the game. I didn't see one single human in any of the lounges. Not a single human. Why would you sit in the lounge? You're either in the weight room, in the meeting room,

on the practice field, or you go home. Yeah, I don't know. But it's a great recruiting tool. Look at this lounge. You can hang out here and play ping pong anytime you want. Oh, you're going to love it. I mean, yeah, you're going to be up at fucking 5 a.m. and you're going to have workouts, and then you're going to have to sprint,

then you're going to have to do class, then you're going to have to do practice, then you're going to do mandatory study hall. But then right afterwards, hang out and play ping pong with your teammates right here. You're going to have workouts, and then you're going to have to sprint, then you're going to have to do class, then you're going to have to do practice, then you're going to do mandatory study hall. But then right afterwards, hang out and play ping pong with your teammates right here. You're going to absolutely love it. I think the barber shops are becoming the new thing, and that's a good move. I think those would be used. I think that's a good add. But those players' lounges that they broadcast and showcase,

it's like, who would ever use these? I'm not 100% sure. Training camp, you're 100% right. Training camp, we used to get a pretty good little ping pong run, the West Virginia team, once we got a ping pong table in there but aside from that i'm not 100 sure i've ever seen anything else used do you like these nfl coaches that come in and say they take over the job the first thing they do is get rid of like the ping pong table that's in the locker room you think that's a good move so smart man you know so smart because those little moments there where they're playing cornhole or ping pong, they could be studying more film, couldn't they?

I mean, they could be maybe getting a little bit more cardio in, maybe doing a little bit more bench press. Maybe they could be eating a little bit more protein instead of playing stupid ping pong and potentially building camaraderie with their teammates, you know, and maybe a time for defense and offense to hang out a little bit aside from just running their heads into each other. Or how about this? Let's bet on if the punter can make 16 straight beans or corn holes here let's see if that can happen

these are all potential camaraderie building things that brings your team together as opposed to apart but i can understand why you'd want them to fucking maybe lift a little bit more weights after the mandatory weight room session that they just had or maybe watch more film after they just watched eight hours worth of film i think that's a really smart idea by these coaches to do things like that don't you yeah you laid it out beautifully you're 100 right what it does it does it brings guys together like if you're playing ping pong what's going to happen you have two guys say an offensive defensive guy playing against each other and then all of a sudden random guys are going to be walking through and if it's a good game they're going to come watch they're going to start talking back and

forth it's going to be a fun thing outside of their football world and they're at the facility and what it does too coaches will feel so good like oh hey you know old starting quarterback didn't leave till 9 p.m the last two nights and then they go and they check the tape like yeah he played four hours of ping pong after meeting both nights like but the coach like hey he's in the building, though. Feel good about that. Rather you play ping pong here than ping pong at home. I mean, that's just the way it goes. The guy loves the place.

He's a facility rat. The guy's always around. First one in, last guy to leave. And he gets in 38 games of ping pong a day. Me and Bjorn Werner played against each other in a massive battle. A massive battle. The entire team was there basically to watch it ping pong i guess in germany they grow up playing ping pong like that's like something they very

much do it's like a pastime fathers and sons over there they play every year if you meet somebody from germany i'm betting they're good at ping pong it's just kind of something they do and bjorn verner was no exception he played very very well very did you beat him no he beat me and then i went home that night and i bought the this machine that you plug into the end of uh uh ping pong and it's a robot that shoots balls at you and then you it goes into a net and then it cycles back i did like five six hours that night and then the next morning i came back asked him to run it back we haven't lost since usa usa usa i was a weapon on there that was very frustrating it wasn't even fun to play with you anymore though because you

were so good i got very very very very very good at ping i mean very good at ping pong with that robot that came around i got embarrassed i let down our entire country i let down our entire country in front of our entire team just got worked i'm like yeah i'll fucking play this rookie from germany no big deal let's go put it out there pal and it was like i've never seen that before wait a minute so then i had to get the robot to get the german version you know what i mean i had to click on him i need this super top spin coming on this side yeah does he hold the paddle different or is it not no it's just whenever you play a lot you know you start to get the real hang of it and he had some spins that I just couldn't. It was just hitting my paddle and going.

So me and that robot went to work. And I came out on the other side of it much better. But Nick is right. There was times there where just people weren't even square. It was just whitewash, whitewash, whitewash. Who's next? Whitewash. See ya.

All those little weird games I'm very good at. I believe it. Yeah. I mean, out of everybody on the team, the specialist will have the time to play those games more than anybody else. Bingo. Four hours of cornhole every single day for like three years. You're going to get very good at cornhole

while everybody else is watching film. You don't really have much to watch. I always wonder, what does the special teams coach do? Say you have morning meetings. A lot of times specialists would only have short... We would have two more hours of meetings and the specialists were already done kind of getting in the hot tub, playing ping pong, doing things. What does the special teams coach do during that time?

He's trying to look for advantages if he's a good one. If he is a good one. If he's a good one, he'll be looking for, like, hey, this guy, whenever you punt the ball high, is going to bobble it. Like, that's why Tom McMahon was so good for me. Tom McMahon's not with the Denver Broncos. He did that extra almost meth-head-like film study

where the guy wouldn't stop just watching film. And then if he got something, he'd come out and be like, oh, I think I got something for you. That's that little stuff that he's trying to find. Now granted, I could have been doing that too, I guess. Instead, I was honing in on the cornhole. I was really getting hot on her. There's only so many reps you can watch though especially if you're the punter yeah well

i didn't kick off in what are you okay when you're the punter what are you watching most just how the the return man are you watching how they rush what are you doing i'm not watching the rush at all i don't even want to know don't even care i don't even want to know but what if you would okay like i know we would face punters sometimes who would would angle a little bit one way or the other so you're going to bring your rush from that side and that like you're going to try to take advantage of his tendencies do you have any tendencies like that no i would offset i would offset and then if i would hit the end over end punt to the left and then a turnover ball to the right so i was lined up in the same spot every single time they They didn't know where the ball was going.

Now, granted, at the beginning of my career, it was very, I was just trying to hit the ball as far as I could. But then once I became the assassin, you know what I mean? Then it became a whole different animal. But yeah, I would try to make sure my tendencies, I didn't give anything away. But anytime the special teams meeting would lead off with Tom McMahon saying, this rush unit is very good. I would just turn it off.

I'm like, I don't even want to hear it. I don't even want to know about it. If I get blocked, I get blocked. If they kill me, they kill me. I just don't want to hear about it. Let me know whenever we get to the coverage portion of this thing. That's good. You trusted the guys in front of you.

Well, no, I think I didn't. That's why I didn't want to hear about it. I was like, I don't even want to know. Oh, we got a guy that I don't even know his name playing over there. And they got a stud that's blocked three kicks. I don't even want to hear about it. I don't know. Earmuffs just for the next 15 minutes,

and then let's get to it. Let's get to it. Yeah. That was a real problem. Are you changing up your steps for those type of games where you're worried about the rush, or are you just the same thing every time? No, same thing every time.

Same thing. Some guys are like three. There's a couple guys that are like three-step long. They would punt from so way tighter to the line than other people so if i would see like a six box i would move up a yard right because normally that means hold up that means they're probably not coming they did two two people on the each gunner so you only got six people in the box so that probably means that's a hold up they're setting up a return obviously so i'd move up a yard steal a yard there there's little things you can do whenever you're you get older and kind of

get comfortable would your stat would you have to give a signal to your snapper to let him know you stepped up? He's good. The ball's not going to be high. No, no. Just sling that thing over to him. We're trying to steal a yard off the back end here. Up the average a little bit. Did you ever have any moments where you're sitting back there to punt? I know you've taken me through your opening kickoff in the Super Bowl, but when you're sitting there to catch the punt, say it's a real critical game, did it ever hit you in the moment like, oh, man, I better catch this thing? Oh, yeah. I don't want to bobble it.

Oh, yeah. Whenever you watch somebody else bobble one, I can't watch somebody else. Like, I'll watch another. If somebody's going to hold for a field goal or something, and the guy, like, bobbles it and goes down, I'm like, oh, don't even look at it. Don't even look at it. Don't even look at it. Don't even think about it.

Don't even. Like, that is something that you do not want in your mind but that's the most important part is catching the ball that's why i'd go on the jugs machine so much by the way i felt like my hands were very underrated i used to put them top three on the team uh that was obviously very much contested in the locker room but i would walk in very proud of it see me top three on the team no No big deal. These hands right here. Come on. You were born with those hands. Yeah, you could work on the jugs and everything,

but there's not a guy that has bad hands, and all of a sudden he catches 400 balls in the jugs every day, and he has good hands. It doesn't work like that. You believe that for real? Yes, absolutely. You can sit and catch as many balls as you want in the jugs. In a simulated environment, you've got people waving in front of his head. But in the game, with your body control and trying to catch the ball while you're getting hit

that's like an instinctual thing i feel like you're born with yes can you make it better of course you can get better at that but i feel like your hands much like athletic ability are what you're born with do you have hands yeah basketball player probably have great hands yeah i mean i played yeah i played running back and caught balls out of the backfield and stuff. Why not fullback? Fullback when? Ever. Why linebacker instead of fullback? Well, I played running. I was like a tailback and linebacker

in high school and all growing up. I would have loved to run the ball, but yeah, they would have put me at fullback, but who wants to play? I don't want to play fullback. I wouldn't get the ball. Well, you don't get the ball at linebacker either. Yeah, but at least I get to try to tackle people. Like, fullback. I wouldn't get the ball. Well, you don't get the ball linebacker either. Yeah, but at least I get to try to tackle people. Like fullback, let's just go blast our head into those linebackers

and then run out and come back in on the next first down when we run the ball. You think you would have potentially got a concussion if you would have played fullback? Nah. Huh? Yeah, I probably would have to be honest. Somebody in the comment section, Jacob Wilson, just said, did you guys hear that Rich Rod wants a statue

at Bama for turning down the job and allowing Saban to come in there? We had a full celebration when we thought Rich Rod was going to Alabama. Have I told you about this? I've said the story before. Have I ever told you about it? I think so. It was awesome. Yeah, didn't you go out and get hammered and everything? We were already out. The whole team was already

out. It was like, I forget what night it was. We were at Lazy Lizard, which is now Joe Mama's. I forget what it was. It was Thursday night or Wednesday night, maybe a Tuesday night, whatever. We were out. What time of the year was this? Spring. Okay.

ESPN was on every TV, obviously. And it had a picture of Rich Rodriguez in Alabama. Right? It had a picture of Rich Rodriguez. Alabama. Right? It had a picture of Rich Rodriguez. Rich Rod to accept Alabama head coaching. And we're all like, okay. Wait, why were you guys so excited that he was leaving? He was Bear Bryant, man.

He was a hard ass. I've heard that everywhere he's gone, I've heard very similar things. Bro, he was a hard ass. Like, obviously, I think he made me better mentally physically as a uh a person and as a kicker and stuff like that i think like obviously battling through that type of litany of words and verbiage that he was saying to you at all times in a very angry fashion i think made us better and our team had a lot of red flags on it i mean i assume that the way he was it had to be for our team to be successful.

And we were very successful. But boy, when you hear the drill sergeant's gone, I mean, that is probably a big day for anybody. And we took it as such. I mean, we really turned out. I think that was around the time when my second $20,000 loan that I got out to have a good time had just hit my bank account. I mean, so we were having a good time.

And then obviously, emergency team meeting the next morning, we're all incredibly hung over his whole family's there. News is there, all that stuff. And he walks his family up and he goes, man, he starts crying. You know, we never saw this guy cry and goes, there's been a lot of talk about what I'm going to do next. And Rita was there was there you know rita his wife is sitting there and his family rhett and raquel and rambo and ray j and ricky they're all sitting over there and he does like the leonardo dicaprio i'm not fucking going anywhere class dismissed basically get the fuck out and then he just walks off and then it's like rich rodriguez turns down the alabama job or whatever it's like we're back in right back into the weight room same workouts we were just having it we're puking yesterday is off and running again we're

like fuck we're back in it should not have got as hammered as we were mike borrow us was absolutely loving how terrible we all felt i mean it was just oh you thought we were gone you thought we were done wait why did he why did he bring his family in and his kids to announce that he's staying i have no idea i think he was potential i think i think he was gone before that meeting and then he saw did he turn it down or did they back out no he turned it down like it was reported that he was there he came into that meeting think, in my heart of hearts, I think he, coming into that meeting, was going to Alabama.

And I don't think his wife, Rita, wanted him to go. And I think when he got in there, and he potentially saw us all just incredibly hungover, he was like, I need to run these motherfuckers one more time. One more time. And he said, I'm not leaving. I'm not going anywhere. not i'm not i'm not leaving i'm not

going anywhere and then he just comes back it was a wild day and then that's why when the michigan thing happened one year later we're all like uh do we celebrate or what do we do here because last year about this workout was the worst workout we've ever encountered and turns out he did leave and the rest is history yeah i know he got to michigan and just those guys he just killed him that's day one like linemen running distance things like i've heard horror stories about how brutal it was when he shows up those distance things they were running it's called fifths and that's a lap around and obviously five of them is a mile right and it was a lap from. You go around the field, and then you go around the upright.

Those were called fifths, and those were being timed. That was your warm-up. And then you would go over to 110s, and then 200-yard shuttles, and then 40s. And then after that, then we had races that people had to go. I mean, it was just like it never ended. But that's why our team, by the way, our team was a bunch of animals. Like, our team was a bunch of sav like our team was a bunch of savages i was hang clean in 365 i mean we we had a squad owen schmidt i think he hang clean like 450 or 500 pounds steve slayton pat white those guys were lit i mean we were a bunch of

savages obviously didn't get to the because a potential miss kicker too but i mean we were a squad and we knew that when he went to Michigan, like the way he operated was not going to work because those kids had choices. Those kids in Michigan had options. Our team had guys that were either scholarships were pulled because of legal reasons or guys that weren't eligible to play anywhere else or had no other options.

Our team was a group of dogs in there that was just this is our last chance and we know it so he could do whatever the hell he wanted to us and it was literally like I think we needed it obviously and we obviously responded well to it but we knew that those little yuppie kids who had multiple offers in five stars were like can you imagine some kid that has like 15 offers or whatever signing on to go to michigan because rich will tell you we want you to be a part of our family here we'll take care of you and then as soon as you get there it's like you fat motherfucker you want to and then that kid's like uh dad i would not go i'm going to ohio state i'm out of here i am leaving and just

he welcomed arm somewhere else if our guys wanted to leave they had to go to like north alabama or like something like that so it was very we knew it wasn't going to work we knew it probably wasn't going to work but boy we were pumped about those fifths never happening again in our life who came in after him at west virginia bill stewart rest in peace won the uh fiesta bowl as the interim head coach he was my special teams coach as well he became a head coach there for the first time in a long time and then he got pushed out slash fired holgerson got brought in and coach stew passed away on a golf course shortly after there then dana's out obviously neil brown's in yeah they uh what do you think of tua he's putting more videos out i like what he was doing man do you i do are they gonna try

to shut him down and say there's too many people in the room which player is going to get chewed out during the draft some player is going to have the entire neighborhood they won't go to them i would think the nfl espn i think they might not go to them or they'll only go to them on like the single cam i think the nfl since it's espn running the operation is what everybody's saying that n NFL Network's involved in it, right? NFL Network owned by NFL boss is Roger Goodell. The boss of NFL Network is Roger Goodell, right? So this is very much going to be an NFL work straight thing,

aside from the fact that they're throwing to Roger Goodell's basement for every pick. Wild move. But I don't think they'll set up anything for the NFL to look bad, right? So a player with his entire neighborhood with him will not get put on the air because that'll make the NFL look bad if NFL players look bad. So I think there's going to be a lot of cutting and stuff like that. Still, there's going to be something that's going to go terribly wrong tech-wise.

There's going to be something that gets, you know, miscommunicated for a pick. It's going to be awesome to watch. And to be honest, a lot of people are not happy that the NFL is doing this. Cliff Averill said, why aren't they just the late? I can't wait for them to do it. I mean, it gives a little bit of hope. And I think they very much understand that. But this is going to be a very interesting run draft, unlike anything else.

By the way, McAfee Hawk, primetime sports talk going live, night of draft one. Is that accurate? That is accurate. It'll be a little watch along with your friends, AJ Hawk and Pat McAfee. Yeah, we're going to have some guests on before the draft starts or maybe even during it.

Who knows? Who are some guests? Do you know of any? As of now, we got Aaron committed. He's coming on. Aaron. Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he's coming on.

Oh! I knew that guy. Aaron Rodgers? That's him. This guy's coming on the draft show? Yeah, he's got a giant beard right now, too. Tell him to shave that thing up. Does he have an iPhone?

Yeah. Need him to FaceTime. We need him to FaceTime in this time. Need it. Need it. Oh, yeah, we can get him to FaceTime in for the show. Yeah, that's what we need. Last time we didn't have the capabilities.

Okay, we'll get him FaceTime in. And I can't wait to talk to him just what are you gonna ask why what are you gonna ask he had a rough draft day i talked about it yesterday rough draft day it's like him and brady quinn right they had similar draft days very similar they just had to sit around and wait everybody thought they were high traffic me i knew i was gonna be high traffic but i had to wait a long fucking time too i mean let's not get crazy 2 221 picture, boy. Hey, you want to know if you want to get some good screen time if you're a prospect or you're a guy that's going to be drafted in the first round? Have, like, your mom, your dad, and your high school girlfriend in the shot.

They'll cut to you the whole draft. Like, say you're the 29th pick. They're going to continue to show this kid because he's following the rules and there's only three or four people in his living room. They're not going to cut to the other guy who has 65 people behind him he's oh no i've been quarantined with them the whole time what do you mean let's go to uh chad something uh just got drafted he's with his high school sweetheart and his parents chad how you feeling oh i feel good thank you and in the background you hear his drunk friends hiding in the back room. It would be very hard not to have your whole crew. It'd be very I mean, look, I mean, it'd be very difficult.

I mean, I understand that they have to due to health reasons. And obviously, this is much bigger than just a draft. But man, your entire life, you work for this weekend, your entire life. Everything you've ever done is like hoping one day to potentially make it as a professional. And then now it's like, well, tell them to fucking watch on ESPN if they want to see you get drafted, big boy. I know they've been with you since the beginning, but lock them up in their house, you lock up in your house.

I don't think a lot of guys are going to listen. You know what's going to be kind of weird is guys getting drafted, a lot of times, especially the high picks, maybe in the first 10, they get drafted and some of the teams send a high picks maybe in the first 10 they get drafted and some of the teams send a private plane and they fly them there to the facility a lot of these guys are going to get drafted and they're not going to step foot in the facility of their team for months after possibly can they do that private private planes can happen now can it yeah there's still commercial flight but they're but facilities aren't open roger goodell ordered

all the facilities shut down oh you got't open roger goodell ordered all the facilities shut down oh you gotta go down to goodell's basement too to dap him up what's goodell's background gonna be well probably just cash if i had to guess stacks of cash just pictures of the owner like owners signed pictures eight by tens hey you're doing a hell of a job, Jerry. Love it. You're keeping the heat off of us. Great job, Rog.

Everybody hates you. They don't even talk about us. Robert Kraft. You guys think he's going full suit? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, full suit. I can't wait to see Goodell's beard. Does Goodell have a beard from the quarantine?

No. No chance. AJ, you can't grow a beard? Nah, not really. No, you don't grow a beard because it would hide that shovelness of your... No, I can't really grow facial hair. Hey, AJ, why don't we all cut our pubes off and gloom to your face? Yeah, you remember when you said that about me?

I didn't say that about you. You mentioned the possibility of that. No, I did not. You mentioned it. You're always... I'm just trying to spitball ideas because you're always trying to come up with things you know you're all about content you're a man of the internet i said thank you i feel like that would get some eyeballs yeah i feel like gluing pubes onto your face would get us a lot of eyeballs

yeah but i'm not i don't i'm not really in a race to create content. Really? Like video content like that. No, I'm not a mogul like you are. Well, is he committed to the team? Is that what we got? Yeah. Sounds like he has to do introductions. Wait, what?

Everybody's questioning your want to for success. My commitment, if I don't glue pubes that will cut off guys onto my face. That's what you have to do. It's like, no, no, it's your idea. By the way, this is your idea. I don't know. It was a jackass skit. You know that.

I do know that. Have you had Steve-O on the show? I have had Steve-O. He sat right here on the thing before when people were allowed to sit here. How was it? I know he's got allowed to sit here how was it i know he's got a podcast now he was good he had ronda rousey on this weekend obviously ron rousey she made some she made some news i think it's real i i don't i'm sorry i think it's a work oh you did to come back to the wwe i think so yeah can you tell people that aren't aware what what she said

that got people all mad she said fake fighting anytime you say fake fighting obviously that's going to get the wrestling world up in arms because there's a lot. But she also killed the fans, too. Didn't she say the fans are awful? Yeah, fuck these fans, basically, is what she said at the end. That's why she had to walk out. So she hated the fans, and she said she loved fake fighting, and she loved the locker room. But she was tired of being on the road away from the family for those ungrateful fucking fans, I believe is what she said.

for those ungrateful fucking fans, I believe is what she said. And by the way, I can completely understand what she's saying because the Ronda Rousey heat became real by the WWE fans. The WWE fans do not love anything that is forced down their throat, okay? So even if the person is the baddest

or the best at whatever they do, if they're forced down the throat, wrestling fans, they're like, nah, you're forcing this on us. We don't want this. We want it to be organic. Becky Lynch is a perfect example of this. Becky Lynch was this second coming of Stone Cold, basically, the lady of the people.

She created her own movement. Then whenever Vince and the WWE got behind it and pushed her, the fans got sick of it. They're like, all right, we're sick of this. You're forcing her. Roman Reigns, for instance. Roman Reigns is like the perfect WWE superstar, ex-football player. It's in his bloodline. He's big.

He's handsome. He's tough. He's attractive. But since Vince and WWE are forcing him, a lot of people started to hate him just because that's how fickle WWE fans are. Ronda Rousey, they felt the same thing. Ronda Rousey's in-ring debut, one of the most impressive in-ring debuts in the history of the sport. She was everything you could imagine she was believable she was on the mic

she wasn't like was she good wasn't great on the microphone but i think she was getting there because i think paul hayman was potentially helping her she was getting there it wasn't great on the microphone but in the ring she was great but she was being shoved i think wrestling fans thought that she was being forced into the spotlight when other people who've worked a lot longer there so they kind of turned against her right so her coming after the fans and saying it was fake fighting that's just like an easy two-piece recipe on fixing a great concoction of an angle it just feels like Rhonda's potentially working some people right now and she put out a tweet that was very similar to Hulk Hogan's tweet way back basically saying that the marks are

working themselves into a shoot basically which is shoot means for real but it does feel as if this is a potential angle and i'm thinking we're gonna see ronda rousey back in the wwe sometime soon well even if let's say it wasn't like on purpose by her say she was just giving her legit opinion don't you think it's something that vince sees he's like, hey, we're going to run with this. We're going to bring you back. Hey, at some point these marks hate you. Time is now. No, yeah, it'd be in all every woman on the roster obviously started going after

publicly because they know that this oh, yeah, it's all it's all part of the deal. Then they know that this is probably a work and they're trying to sign up for the sweepstakes to get involved with Ronda Rousey because if you get involved with Ronda Rousey, you obviously go to the top of the card, make more money, that old stuff.

I think it's a work. I do. I think it's a work and it's a smart one by Ronda Rousey, by the way, smart one. Yeah. Now I guess, I don't know.

I watched her when, when she was, uh, fighting the UFC. She took over the world there for a few years. Beyonce's playing her videos before her concerts, like all kinds of stuff going on. And then she gets beat a few times.

It doesn't talk to the media and it just, uh, gets rough for her. before her concerts, like all kinds of stuff going on. And then she gets beat a few times and doesn't talk to the media. And it just gets rough for her. She doesn't like to deal with criticism, I guess. Holly Holm. The preacher's daughter. I guess Holly Holm was really the big Achilles heel to her. Head kick, head kick, smoke. But then she came back against Amanda Nunes and just looked awful.

Well, Amanda Nunes is a... Yes. Plays no games. Zero. You know, Ronda Rousey had that arm bar. A lot of people think that. Oh, oh, oh. Still going.

Give it to me. She'd be able to win forever. Still undefeated if she did it. Could you put that mic in an arm bar? I was thinking about just throwing my legs up here and falling back. I didn't know. If you would have seen what was just going on up here, I was tossing my legs up here and going back on my back on there.

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I'm great, Cliff. I'm not allowed to answer this question. Are Asian people allowed to say the N-word? No. What kind of question is that? Everybody should know that. By the way, I don't think anybody should say it ever, right? And I went on a hard thing.

It's not a word that anybody should say it. It's a word that has done more damage in our past than any other word in its history. But now the spin zone for... Have you seen this guy named Kyle Larson? Probably not. It's in NASCAR. I didn't know about it either until this morning. Kyle Larson and I racing this weekend dropped a hard R on somebody in the racing and it's just been quite

an uproar in the world obviously yeah that's uh that's a that's a no-go um yeah I can definitely see some people getting after him a little bit yeah can't win with it won't win with it let's uh speaking of won't winning with anything I did not know you were a part of the Lions 0-16 team. Yes, I was as a rookie, man. For the longest day, I was the only player to go 0-16 and win a Super Bowl, man. It was an interesting time, nonetheless. Okay, so I was a part of a team that won undefeated until we chose to lose my rookie year, which was legit. And then we ended up losing the Super Bowl to the Saints. And then a couple years later, I was a part of a team that almost went completely defeated.

And Dan Orlovsky, the man that was part of the 0-16, actually came in and won two games for us. So we didn't go 0-16. But I think I got an interesting perspective on what makes great teams and what makes terrible teams. What was something that you've noticed from that 0-16 team to the Super Bowl team that people don't talk about enough as being an X factor on why teams succeed? I think the biggest thing, man, is, you know, too many individuals, right? You know, and of course, you know, you're a rookie. You don't really know any better.

You walk into the locker room. You're like, all right, this is what I'm supposed to be a part of. This is how the NFL runs, right? But when I got to Seattle, I realized that guys really play for one another. It wasn't, and mind you, we had a lot of superstars on that team, you know what I mean? But guys didn't necessarily feel like they were the reason why.

It was, they were just part of the puzzle of why we were having so much success. Do you think it's because you guys liked each other a lot more? I always felt like camaraderie was the biggest X factor that nobody talks about. Most question. I mean, camaraderie,

I think that comes with the respect piece, right? Just everybody collectively just coming together, you know what I mean, and really cool with one another. We would do different things outside of the football facility, right? You know, we'd go on vacation trips. We'd have a kid's birthday party and 50 of the 53 guys show up, you know what I mean? And that's the type of vibe. And as you know, that is far from normal in the NFL. Agreed. What's that thing behind you there? Is that a painting of the type of vibe and as you know that ain't that is far from normal in the nfl great what's that thing behind you there is that a painting of the legion

of boom and the whole defensive squad there yeah so i got a little mural painted up here so this side right here is uh the the um i'll actually show it yeah so that's the lions oh yeah yeah yeah so it's a little mural i got painted by one of the local guys out here. And, of course, I had to represent the Super Bowl. I mean, that was a big deal. They don't just hand those out. No, exactly, exactly. I'm excited.

It's a pretty cool little mural. Are you down in your man cave right now? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know what? So I have an office space, but since the kids aren't in school, the wife ain't working, I had to give it up to them. So now I got to go do stuff in the med cave.

How is life right now? Everybody's trying to get by, obviously. A lot more family time, e-teaching and all that stuff. How have the Averills been handling the entire situation? So far, it's been good, man. Honestly, I'm looking at it as a positive, right? I needed things to slow down anyway, so I'm spending more time with the family, obviously. Now, entertaining the kids is a bit much at times.

You know, we're setting up obstacle courses outside. We're going on bike rides and different things like that. But overall, though, it's been great. I'm taking some classes. I'm reading more. So it's been solid. I'm using it for the good. Look at you becoming a better man over there, a smarter man over there.

I'm trying, man. I'm trying, man. I'm just getting fat i'm just i've got these quarantine lbs bro they're back and better than ever uh jadavion clowny uh you know it was alleged originally that he was asking for 20 plus million a year which would not be unheard of in the defensive end position there's a couple other guys that are making that he is i should be born a little couple years later or maybe get on that bike a little bit more with the kid let's see if you can get back out there but allegedly it has dropped down to 17 18 million how do you feel about the market for clowny and what type of player is he day in and day out you think you know what just knowing free agency and being going through free agency usually usually

the top free agents get signed the first couple days and that that's where the big the big money goes right so if he was going to be a part of that he would have gotten signed already i do think this corona thing uh kind of messed him up as well right because he has had um you know some injuries last year in the years past so before they sign you to those big deals they want to have a physical right so i think that's part of the issue why he hasn't been able to sign as far as for his issue why he hasn't been able to sign. As far as for his production and what he's been able to do, especially last year, it's probably the most impressive three-sack season I've ever seen, right?

Because this man, this man was like he would take over games. You know, we've seen that Monday night game against San Francisco. We've seen a couple other games where he took over games. So he has that ability, but he also was beat up last year as well. So, you know, he killed it one game, and then, you know, he had to sit out the next game. So I think that kind of hurt him a little bit. But overall, he can be disruptive. He is a heck of a ball player.

He plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage, and that's what you need from D. Lyman. I don't want to distract too much, but do you think no Sean Marino knows that he's posterized on your wall? You know, no, he probably doesn't. Go back to it. Look at that. I mean, he's just getting buried in your basement every single day.

The poor guy. He's a good guy. By the way, I've met Doug Johnson. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. But all three of us was in that picture, so it was a good picture to get framed up. Seattle Seahawks.

Russell Wilson's coming back. Pete Carroll obviously still there what do you think they're looking into in the draft what do you think they need do you think they make any moves the nfc is getting very interesting now that old tommy tampa tommy's down or tompa bay whatever the case is the nfc is very interesting the the niners bring back everybody basically and they were dominate the end of the season i mean what are the seahawks going to do to get back in that conversation you think but you know it's crazy like even though the seahawks had so much trans uh you know guys leave over the last couple years or whatnot they

still won 10 games last year they still have russell wilson they still have bobby white and kj right guys that have won superbowls uh but what i see them doing in the draft is what they always do like they trade down they don't really ever use their first pick if they do it'd be later to get more picks or whatnot but this offseason they went and got a whole bunch of offensive linemen you know they signed quite a few guys they want guys competing there but they have to figure out something on the pass rush side of things right if you if you lose clowny um you have you signed jaron reed back and you got uh bruce urban back but if you lose clowny you definitely need to bring somebody else in. I think you need to bring somebody else in regardless,

because if you sign Clowney, you're probably only going to sign him for a one-year deal anyways. So you need a young player to step up. I wouldn't be surprised if they signed two pass rushers and then probably add some competition back on the deep end with the DBs and maybe even a couple linebackers as well. But I see them kind of for sure focusing on pass rushing. Russell Wilson feels like he wills his way to be in every single game.

It really does feel like scrambling, running for his life. If they get a good offensive line, what can that team be? You think they can be an elite team again? They can be special, man. It'd be an elite team, but it'd be a different type of elite from what it was in the past. Cause last, I mean, those years in the 2010 through 19 or whatever, you know, it was a defensive type of team, right?

Everything was based off of stopping the run and letting Russ, you know, hand it off or whatever, manage the game a little bit. Now, with Russell Wilson, every single year he's gotten better. So if you get him an offensive line, that still allows him to move around in the pocket, but, you know, add a couple of receivers as well. I think, man, they can be dynamic in all kinds of ways how do you feel about this tampa team i think they're going to win the super bowl you think they're going to win the super bowl wow no no i don't i don't but but it's a good thing we can just say to like generate conversation you know like i feel

like that really stirs the pot anytime i come out but i do i do think that they're going to be a good squad though what do you think a team that they're going to be a good squad, though. What do you think a team that gets like a Tom Brady, gets that veteran experience in there? Now, not just veteran. You're talking about goat-like experience. What can that do to a team, you think? What can that do to that Tampa Bay Buccaneers team

who Jameis Winston led the NFL in pass yards, obviously had a great year in that particular fashion, but then he threw for 30 interceptions and gave the game up to the other team on a lot of occasions what can tom realistically do to that tampa bay team you think uh just what you just said james did not give not giving up 30 interceptions you said just the leadership right you know somebody like tom brady walks into the locker room and then from my understanding and even my interactions with him he's the type of person he like he goes up to each individual and like hey i'm tom duh everybody knows who you are but that goes a long way for like the young players right

guys you gotta realize tom's been in the league 20 years so some of these guys were probably just one years old when when tom just started right so they've been watching tom this whole time so to have that leadership that presence a man that's won six super bowl rings everybody's gonna follow his lead everybody's paying attention to what he does. So that by itself is going to change the dynamic of that team. But then you look at what they were able to do last year. I mean, their defense was ranked first or top five or something like that in stopping the run.

Now, they weren't that good in passing, so they have to fix that. But you bring a quarterback in like that, everybody's going to want to play for Tom, and everybody's going to pay attention to what Tom does so they can follow his lead and hopefully be able to get that championship have you been following along with any of this uh top quarterbacks in the draft conversation uh i've been paying attention to it a little bit rookie quarterbacks whenever you're facing against a rookie quarterback what is the mindset and what do you think one of these guys has that could potentially get him past that well first and foremost i hate

to face the rookie quarterbacks um why because they're rookies i mean that was just a veteran in me i don't know but uh rookie quarterback i think the biggest thing is i think the biggest thing is is really honestly for for at least from from the position that i used to play is i want to get in your head i want to see how tough you are mentally right so uh you know before the line is before you come into your china audible and different things like that we're talking trash to you right getting hits hurries making you feel the d-line presence and showing you that this ain't college anymore and see how you react from that right take a couple big hits a couple sacks and see how you play off of that so that that's usually my mindset uh when i'm facing a rookie i just want

to see how tough you are. And however you react to that, it tells me that you might be in the league for a while. Or do you start complaining to the refs? You know, start crying a little bit. Who's somebody you chirped that responded in a way that you're like, oh, this guy's a bitch. This guy's got no.

You don't have to call him. Has anybody. And who's somebody that reacted in a manner that you did not expect? And what are you saying? Well, okay, so I'm not more of the trash talker. It was my guy next to me, Michael Bennett. He was the trash talker. I was more of the, I want to hit you to see how you react to it, right?

But I don't want to call anybody out. But it's definitely happened a few times where you're like, oh, yeah, he's not going to make it. And then two years later, he's not going to make it. And then two years later, he's out of the league or he's a backup or something like that. It's a mind game out there, man. You know it. It's a mind game. Oh, my God.

Cliff, I can't thank you enough for joining us, man. You're electric. My pleasure, bro. My pleasure. I appreciate you guys having me, man. You going to watch the draft next week? No. It's going to be a technology war out there. I appreciate you guys having me, man. You gonna watch the draft next week? No. It's gonna be a technology war out there.

I don't understand. The NFL is so thirsty. And I obviously love the league. They're so thirsty. It's like, why? Because you're putting the GMs in an uncomfortable situation. They can't even be around too many people. They're probably hiding out in their own basement or something to do this.

You're setting everybody up for failure right here man like why not just push this back it's gonna be awesome though i mean just think about the old whites trying to deal with technology cliff it's gonna be a problem it is gonna be a problem i i might be the first time goodell goes out and doesn't get booed no they got 15 virtual fans they got 15 virtual fans so unless they do that i don't know i don't know. That is a chance though. One of those 15 people is going to take their moment and they are going to shine. I mean, that is just the internet.

That is just the way the internet works and I don't think they know that. So unless they're hand-selecting other Goodells to be in there, that could potentially be a nightmare for them as well. For sure. That's going to be terrible, man. That's funny. Ladies and gentlemen, Cliff Averill. Appreciate you, Cliff.

Get no Sean off that wall, man. He don't deserve that. I can't help it, man. Jeez Louise. I appreciate it, man. You too, Cliff. Have a good one. He's a good guy.

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