The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 189 - 4 Super Bowls, An NFL QB Summit, & A Genius Stop By For Chats. Stephen Gostkowski, AJ Hawk, Jordan Palmer, & Joe Schobert. Let's Have A Thursday.

Episode Date: April 16, 2020

On today's show, Pat is joined by 8 year NFL veteran and Joe Burrow's QB Coach, Jordan Palmer. Pat and Jordan discuss the different prospects that he has been working with for this class, his thoughts on both Joe Burrow and Jordan Love, and how the quarantine will affect both the teams involved in the draft, and how some players will be affected by having no pro day or being able to sit down with GM's and coaches (00:00:49-21:09). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ discuss their upcoming NFL Draft special that will be airing in prime time, and everything else that is happening in the sports world (21:11-1:48:28). Next, 3x Super Bowl Champ, 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, the NFL All Decade Kicker of the 2010's and current free agent, Stephen Gostkowski. Pat and Stephen chat about how his hip is feeling after having surgery this year, what it was like playing for Coach Belichick, which teams have been interested in him since the start of the offseason, how he anticipates his next stop being different, and what he's been doing to entertain his kids during the quarantine (1:41:30-2:02:14). Lastly, Pro Bowler, the NFL leader in tackles in 2017, and newly paid Jacksonville Jaguar, Joe Schobert, joins the program. Pat and Joe chat about why he ultimately chose the Jaguars, what it was like being in the locker room after the Myles Garrett incident, what it was like being a walk-on at Wisconsin and at what point he knew he belonged, how he's staying in shape during the quarantine, and he breaks down some of the things that an NFL linebacker looks at to know what the offense is trying to do (2:02:16-2:20:36). Make sure to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat with where you're listening to the show for the chance to win some free merch. Stay safe and stay strong out there. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Thursday the 16th of April, day X of quarantine. Got a good show for you. I mean, I think you're gonna say, hey, good show. Happy I allowed that to penetrate my ears and face today, and we can't thank you enough for choosing to do so. Please remember to use hashtag this is where I'm at, Pat, and tweet me a picture of where you're listening to this at. Zito will be going around handing out some free merch to people that tweet that and also it's nice to know where the hell some people are some people have showed me a little bit too much of themselves in places that they probably shouldn't have taken pictures but i respect it zito respects it and we're handing out a lot of merch let's get to today's show and let's try to

give a little mental vacation in the middle of this uncertainty you're the best i like what he did there nathan nathaniel really brought it does it go by nathan or nathaniel uh nathaniel is how he introduced himself i kind of you got to dock a couple points there anybody that forces somebody to call you nathaniel i think you should be slapped in the mouth but i like this call early and I appreciate him. He was down there in Louisiana. Thought he was potentially going to ask about a guy who's going to be the number one overall pick in the draft coming up next week. He who is training that man is the leader of the quarterback summit, former quarterback in the NFL for a long, long time,

and also the man who created an app that tells you when to pee during movies, Jordan Palmer. Come on, Jordan. Come on, Jordan. Hey, come on. Guys, I took louder. Yeah! Jordan! movies Jordan Palmer I'm gonna be honest I think I think why we got quiet you kind of look like a skinnier Garth Brooks right now you know it's funny on the Nathaniel forcing somebody to call you by the longer version of your name I couldn't help but think of Mitchell Trubisky early on,

who wanted to be Mitchell and not Mitch. And now it's just Nicholas Foles. Oh, wow. Shot across the bow from the quarterback summit leader. We'll talk about other quarterbacks, but obviously the big conversation right now, especially for you, is your guy Joe Burrow. How has training been?

Have you found a way to make him even better than what he already was? I don't know how you would do that. How is the pro day, simulated pro day, and everything like that going for Joe Burrow in the quarterback summit right now? Well, Joe's in a unique spot because the plan was he was never going to run a 40 or do a pro agility drill or L drill or any of the running events.

And Kyler Murray had the same approach last year. Part of it's because of what he put on tape. And part of it's because if you're kind of going to be the number one pick, do you want to invest the amount of time that you would put? Which is really about 24 different workouts for an hour long where you would work on those things. So is that the best use of time? Or it better to just you know show up to indianapolis last time we talked was in indianapolis meet with the teams and then when you have your pro day which was supposed to be april 4th and when you have your pro day then you just throw um well the pro day is obviously canceled with what's going on in the world and um and so for him uh the the draft training process is kind of concluded when stuff

started getting hairy and travel started getting hairy he went back home with his family um and he's just been breaking down tape um getting to know these divisions better getting to know these defensive uh you know these coordinators better and he's just been working on the mental part of his game throwing at his high school and working out because right now it's just difficult to um to even get a field space. I've got a handful of NFL bets out here. It's like we're in a skateboard video where we're going to try and skateboard on a rail as long as we can until security throws us off.

And so it's just weird times. But Joe is, I think, the least affected guy by this because it doesn't affect his draft process. It's not going to affect his stock and he's going to be ready to rock anyways you need to get a big black out there uh he used to take care of all that stuff for rob derdeck and if i if i know anything yeah r.i.p to big black i got a chance party with that guy one night great time big black shout out to big black um do you think joe burrow's ready to be the guy there's always there's all these you have to say yes

obviously because you're his uh coach but what do you what makes you think that Burrow is ready to be the guy? There's always, there's all these, you have to say yes, obviously, because you're his coach. But what makes you think that this guy who had one massive year, a mic drop type year where you win a national championship, you win the Heisman, now you're the number one overall pick. How will he be able to sustain that success in this incredibly hot run that he's on? What is his makeup that makes you think like this guy is going to be that guy in the NFL?

Yeah. I have to say yes, but I don't have to give a good answer or not. I'm going to go ahead and do that. Bingo. So, you know, part of it is when I met him, it was 12 months ago. So it was really before he had come onto the scene.

And all I can tell you is that almost every single thing that happened this year, he was expecting that to happen. And not in a cocky way, but he's like, listen, we got a team that can win the national championship. And if we do, my receivers, this coordinator, what we're doing on offense. Again, me and the guys around me just kind of watched

everything that happened this year is all kind of stuff that he had talked about. And stuff that I believed could happen too um you start hearing about who jamar chase is and justin jefferson and the tight end and you know the running but you start hearing about these guys and he goes people don't realize who we have on defense you know this is a team that had 18 guys at the nfl combine this year which is a record so it's they didn't just have joe burrow and a bunch of slappies they had like like the best team that LSU's had. And so for him to be able to have the confidence to see that happen and then go ahead and make sure that each week he continued to get better. But then when at

the end of the season, when you have the playoffs and the Heisman and all the pressure and the media for him to continue to get better, because people forget he got better. His best games were at the end, was when all the pressure and expectations and all that stuff. You play with Peyton, that's what those guys deal with. They deal with ridiculous expectations, unrealistic, what people are demanding from them. It's unrealistic at times. And the great ones still deliver year in, year out when they're bad, when they lose their tackle, when the defense isn't very good. And what they just kind of weather those storms and they put together great careers. And so Joe has all those pieces. The last thing I'll say is he took over a

high school program that had never won and they won. And then he took over LSU and they did something that LSU has never done before. So when I start to see that happen over and over again, program that had never won and they won and then he took over lsu and they did something at lsu's never done before so when i start to see that happen over and over again to me that's a pattern that's not a you know great season that's not a got lucky with good receivers that is a pattern and i think that's what the teams are gonna look for him to do too i love his his calm cool demeanor i saw him at the sec championship in warm-ups, actually. And it was before a lot of people were in the stadium. He was just in a shirt, a t-shirt.

He had some headphones on. And they had, all across the stadium, they zoomed in on his face. And he just looked so, like, I don't want to say confident, but he did. It was like this calm, cool, biggest game he's ever played in the SEC Championship. The whole world is bearing down on him. You got Tim Tebow on the sideline. You got CBS on the sideline. You got Game Day. Everybody's there.

I can feel the sideline. I was in a suite. I was up in a suite. Oh, you were in a suite. Yeah, I was in a suite. But I was having a good time. But I was up in a suite. And it seemed like he didn't even have anything that rattled him.

And then on national championship, I was actually standing less than two feet away from him doing warm-ups. And he had this same national championship, I was actually standing less than two feet away from him doing warmups. And he had this same national championship game where you learn a lot about people in those massive moments and warmups. You start seeing how they act in the locker room and those big games, getting a chance to see just how calm he was, was something I was like, Oh, this dude has got it. Cause that's what you have to have in that quarterback position. I think his arm is impressive. His hands a little small, but everything else other than that i think in between the years is he is that dude i honestly believe that yeah it's almost like and there's a couple guys that have been around like this but

it's almost like he knows something that no one else knows yeah it was weird like he knows it's going to go really well for him today you know what else is kind of wondering uh you know the confidence is is i don't think it's a hereditary thing for me it's the number one thing i train people on um but it's not a hereditary thing you don't get it from your dad it's not a god-given talent i don't believe i think it's a muscle um just like a bicep right you got two of them right there staring me right in my phone look at those things um one thunder and lightning don't get caught in a storm, pal. But I think it's just like a regular muscle.

It's something you can train and develop. And Joe's been around this for a long time. A lot of it did come natural for him. But I think it was a series of events that led to him to have this foundation of confidence. But then when you get to do what he just did and you go into the NFL, I think he's going in as confident however you rank this probably as confident as any quarterback has I genuinely believe that he respects the game he respects how difficult it's going to be but I don't think in his heart of hearts he really thinks that this is going to be that big of a deal and that's what

you want when you take somebody number one overall yeah they got to get better they you got to teach them the things they got to play they got to get experience but what you don't want to have to do is build up some young guy's confidence and convince him that he's good enough to play and certain players have been picked in the last few years in the first round and that is the thing that teams either needed to do and did or needed to do and didn't do and that is the common denominator for busts in the nfl draft somebody just poked into my head and i'm not gonna throw him out of the bus but it's really hard not to say his name right now i'm not gonna say it go do it it was it was hard for you not to flex and you ended up flexing

are you talking about josh rosen no i'm talking about a whole list of long people there's just a bunch of them you know and you can't draft somebody and go all right well if we can get him confident enough to be able to do this like then don't take that guy let's talk about a guy let's talk about a guy whose confidence could have been rattled last year and you explained to us and also i i got a chance to watch orlovsky make the same argument at utah state he didn't have a lot of weapons around him so there's a lot of hey i need you to go make plays he ends up throwing 17 interceptions but a lot of them are either off of somebody's face or throwing into triple coverage because they're down 20 or something along those lines jordan love's name has gotten very hot in this

draft conversation a guy that you've worked with how do you feel about his progression and what do you see ultimately happening with him well i think physically he's got all the stuff that you know that you would want in a guy that's going to go as high as he's going to go. I think he's going to end up going the first 15 picks just because I think a couple of teams are going to fall in love with him. And the general notion in the NFL is if you feel like this is your guy, then you've got to take him wherever you have – whatever that means, wherever you have to take him. And so with Jordan, he's got all the physical things. whatever that means, wherever you have to take him.

And so with Jordan, he's got all the physical things. The biggest things that teams have to sort out is, you know, he's played at a smaller level school, you know, a higher level than Carson Wentz did at North Dakota State. But there's been a lot of guys come from smaller level schools, right? You have to see, one, is this going to be too big for him? Can he actually transition? He hasn't really played against a lot of NFL guys. He hasn't really played with a lot of NFL guys. He hasn't played really played with a lot of NFL guys. So what does this look like when we put him

with better players and against better players? That's the first box you got to check. And then the second box is mentally, can he run all of these different things? Can he see the field? Can he learn this? Which is kind of what you have to make sure that every quarterback can do, right? That's a box that every guy has to check whatever level you played out um and so my assessment of him is yeah he can absolutely transition and I do not think this is going to be too big for him you know he had a really tragic childhood and you know became the man of the house at a really really young age and grew up a lot, a lot faster than most kids his age. To me, that's valuable.

I saw the same thing, different story, but the same thing with Deshaun Watson when he was coming out. Became the man of a house, really difficult childhood. And so he developed leadership and confidence and the ability to figure things out on your own because no one else has your back. You know, Jordan had a lot of that too. And so that creates a foundation of a lot of maturity at a young age. And then the second thing is, is the, can he learn the stuff?

And I've spent enough time on the board with him to say definitively, this dude is very, very smart. And he is his recall. If you give him a long NFL play, his ability to recall that and spit that back to you. If I say H set to gun gun spread right at H-hot, dual China drive, F-read, alert Mustang, dragon on a white one,

which is two plays asking you to have a lot of different things going on. Jordan is the guy who's capable of really layering on information, regurgitating it, and making decisions. So I say you take him wherever you feel like you need to take him, but there's a couple of teams that I think are already head over heels for him.

I'll tell you what, that eight-set Jag and China rollover one is probably the reason why I never got to the NFL quarterback. Probably because I could not do what you just rolled back. Well, punters have to have a personal protector. They make the calls. So then the punters can just focus on kicking it. I would like to let you know, though, I got a good couple ducks, dude. I got good ducks.

I can get... I've drawn people off sides. That was a weapon for our field goal team. So I often ask, could I maybe call the cadence for the punts? I was shut down every single time, but I did throw that out there. You were a Swiss Army knife.

Amen. Since teams haven't been able to really meet with these players in person right because i i heard a story last week about josh mcdaniel's flying down to baker mayfield in austin the week of the draft to talk with him to see if he's the guy that they actually want and you hear about these stories about scouts and maybe even owners and general managers going to meet with players that they're thinking about taking in the first round like two three days before the draft just get one final like yeah this is a guy we want to invest a lot of money in they can't obviously do that so a lot of teams been calling

you to get like uh hey you've been around this guy on a regular basis or they reach out like has anybody called you to get information on these players a little bit deeper uh than just what they can see on film yeah 100 across a lot of but you know, the teams have to be resourceful right now. Yeah, it's a big deal that they can't go through the typical evaluation process, but at the same time, it's an even playing field. Nobody can. And so I think it's, yeah, it's unfortunate. And the players that are going to get affected are the ones who really needed a pro day. Oh, yeah. You know, whether they didn't go to the combine or they didn't you know do well at the combine who really needed a good you know i have a pro day and the guys who really needed the the 30 visits so every nfl team for

those who don't know they get 30 visits they can bring in 30 players they don't have to bring in 30 but they can bring up to 30. um and they basically spend a whole day there kind of like a glorified recruiting trip but they're evaluating the players well there. Kind of like a glorified recruiting trip. But they're evaluating the players. Well, there's a lot of players that, you know, their stuff, they played well on tape. But it didn't show up in the Indy. But if you got to spend a day with them, you'd fall in love with them. Those guys are going to miss out.

And that's not specific to any position group. The guy where, you know, if I'm looking at a bunch of punters who can all have the same average but you bring in a pat mcafee who's got a big personality and cool and who has gunned up i mean i'm talking about gunned up right look at that oh he got triceps too you ever see that jordan huh we don't make a joke on the microphone it happened so fast I don't know that I did see it happen so um but but but in all seriousness if I bring in a dork who can punt it just as far as you and I bring in you yeah like that 30 visits gonna have a better effect like you're gonna go with the guy who's the personality so that it's gonna affect those players who needed either the visits or needed uh the days. It's going to affect the teams who love a player, but they aren't sure if it's a fit in the locker room. So they need to meet with him in person. They need

to look him in the eyes and ask him, hey, blah, blah, this question, this question, this question. So that's the effect it's going to have on the players. That's the effect it's going to have on the team. I don't think it's going to have any effect on the game. I don't think it's going to have any effect on fantasy football or the fans perspective so take it with a grain of salt people are going to go low a couple guys are going to go lower than they should have and a couple of guys are going to go higher than they should have i would say a little bit more than a normal year is my prediction how's joe going to spend here the draft night obviously you said he's back with his parents is that in ohio he's already back in ohio with his parents will he just be there with because it's a big moment getting drafted to the

nfl you get a chance your entire life you're trying to work this moment now granted joe burrow said all he ever wanted to do was win a national championship in college because that was his dream but now you get a chance to experience the nfl and they're telling these guys you can only have six people in your room or whatever that case is is that what joe's going to be holed up with his family in uh back in ohio yeah i think everyone's kind of back home right now wherever they've been quarantining is where they're going to do this and um you know for joe he's a big family guy he's loyal to his you know his buddies and so um you know it's actually the route that a lot of guys choose you know a lot of guys stay home marcus mariotta was in hawaii and jamis winston was you know back home and i can just picture a lot of my picks patrick mahomes stayed home

um and so that a lot of guys have gone that route now i'm just bummed because the nfl draft i've been in the green room the last six years and uh it is cool it is a special you know once in a lifetime deal yeah and uh so it's a bummer to miss out on that especially this year was going to be sick yeah they were going to be in a green room they were going to get on a boat in the pot and the like water fountain at the bellagio or something it's going to be sweet i mean somebody's going off that boat right at some point i would i mean obviously obviously i would if i was drafted in the first round and they sent a damn ferry over for me to go across the ocean's 11 pond at the end i mean i'm already drafted right sign the paperwork yeah all right here we go i would

have been gone in a matter of moments going back to your uh pre-draft visit my visit with the colts tom telesco who's now uh the los angeles chargers general manager my meeting with him and meeting with polian and that was the reason why they took me they said And that's why they thought I was athletic enough to figure it out for the VR conversations. That's going to be a massive ordeal. Let's talk about the Los Angeles Chargers. You're pretty dialed in in the quarterback world. Obviously, they have Tyrod Taylor right now.

The conversation is they could potentially take a quarterback at six, and Love's name has been thrown out there. So has Herbert. So has everybody's name has been talked about going to the Chargers. You're a Southern California guy. What do you see happening potentially with them? Well, the interesting piece with this is that fans aren't going to love this, but Tyrod Taylor, you have to put him in a good position

and let him play a full season, in my opinion, to determine that he can't do this. Now, I know that there's some sex appeal here of drafting guys high and doing all that, and you go, well, the casual fan would say, well, Tyron Taylor, you know, he was in Buffalo, and it never really worked out, and then he went to Cleveland and whatever. But he hasn't been in a good situation. Los Angeles Chargers is a pretty good situation.

They've got a good back. They've got a good pass rush. They've got a good back. They got a good pass rush. They got a good secondary. They got some playmakers at wide receiver. So in my opinion, you've got, before you let Tyrod Taylor walk out that door or you stash him on the bench, you need to give him a season and see if he can play. Because there's a reason you hear rumors that, you know,

Anthony Lynn loves him and the players love him and other players around the league. He's always working out with Cam Newton. These guys all respect him. But I can remember when he was in Baltimore early on, and I've known him for a long time, and players saying, man, the dude playing on practice squad, man, before Flacco won a Super Bowl, I don't know who's better, him or Flacco.

I remember players telling me that. I don't know what the media said. I just remember players on the Ravens telling me, dude, this guy Tyrod Taylor can play. And he just hasn't been in good situations. And so I think if you're the Chargers, there's a lot to look at at this draft. But I also believe they know what they got there, too. And so it'll be interesting if they have somebody ranked number one overall and they fall to them at six, you got to evaluate that.

But I don't know that you can just cast tyrod taylor aside yet well jordan i appreciate you for your time your brain your garth brooks beard everything i can't thank you enough brother appreciate it thanks for having me on man hey thanks for coming on next week you're going to be loaded i assume with interviews well i'll be back. You have me around all you want, man. I'm just quarantined, moving my thing to digital and getting ready to, you know, take over the world here. Me and A.J. Hawk are doing a draft night primetime special. McAfee and Hawk sports talk primetime draft special. Aaron Rodgers is coming on.

Can we slot you in to come on draft night? I love A.J. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. on can we slot you in to come on uh draft night i love aj yeah absolutely okay after joe burrow gets drafted and whatever happens happens you come on now people are going to watch that yeah now thank you jordan for giving us a little bit of rating i mean aaron aaron doesn't move the needle at all jordan paul take that down Take that down.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Palmer. Appreciate it, Jordan. Thanks, guys. Welcome to McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. I'm Pat McAfee. To my left, the handsome, the man who once covered a box of cereal, A.J. Hawk. A.J. What's up, man? Covered a box of cereal AJ Hawk AJ What's up man, how you doing Pat?

I know Mondays sometimes are tough for you To get back into the groove Are you back yet? Yeah, I'm back Every once in a while sometimes this office Stumbles out of the weekend until about Thursday We hit our stride and then we're back into the weekend again But not this week

It's been a great Tuesday. Very thankful to be here. And a big mood booster for the entire office in this COVID-19 quarantine was the arrival of the Buckeye Heroes cereal with, this way, with our friend, AJ Hawk in the middle right here, 47.

Bobby Carpenter right here. And then a pie's on, Tony Schlegel. Schlegel! Yeah, that box is pretty, what is it, 15, 16? Is there still cereal in there? Oh, yeah. If you shake it.

Got some back here, too. Kind of got ripped off with the cereal. We only got a cardboard box that only has one autograph on it, and it's of a guy I'd never heard of before, and then you flip it on the back, Anthony Schlegel. Turns out this dude is a madman. On the back here, Foxy, can you get another shot of the back here? On the back here, it provides a little bio for each player.

Let's read Anthony Schlegel's first, shall we? Anthony Schlegel, linebacker, 6'2", 245. Good size. You know in Ohio, they make them big out there. He's from Texas, by the way. Well, funny you say that because Anthony says earning helmet stickers was his favorite Ohio State tradition, and no one collected them with greater passion.

The free-spirited, aggressive offensive disruptor was second on the team with 82 tackles in 2005, including seven for loss. He's a tough, durable, physical specimen evidenced by the fact that he set world weightlifting records for the 19 and under 220 and 240 pound weight division with deadlifts of 662 pounds and 672 pounds. Also, side note, he goes wild boar hunting with just a knife and a dog. Anthony Schlegel.

Yeah. Hey, if you want to see him still doing that, Schlegel's like 38 right now, and he posts videos of him in his workshop in cowboy boots and jeans, still deadlifted and 600 pounds. He's free spirit. He smoke all the vitamins? No. I mean, he's,

I mean, he's actually like one of the most like legit humans alive, but he had a fun, wild time while he was at Ohio state for sure. But he was always still a good guy. Now he's just tamed it back a little bit. Go on. What did he do in Columbia?

He was probably, he transferred from the air force Academy and Bobby and myself actually hosted him on this official visit. And yeah like anthony's first couple months on campus i mean the guy's a legend pretty much oh here he is look at that guy in cowboy boots anthony schlegel that guy on a recruiting visit to the oh Ohio State took down 35 women in one weekend. I saw a video of him power bombing a student that rushed the field too. Really? Yeah, he was an assistant strength coach for four or five years at Ohio State,

and yeah, he slammed a dude that ran on the field. A lot of guys, they lift that weight, and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah. You look at that guy, he does not look like he should be able to lift that amount of weight that he just did in that video. Yeah, well, he's 6'2", 245, probably 6'2", what two what 215 now at this point that's a lot of weight he's moving with them kickers on oh in denim with flannel anthony schlegel this guy plays no game he's the only one that signed this box by the way so i'm actually honored about that now the other person on the box here the buckeye heroes honeynut toasted oats

low fat food right here on the side with the visor old bobby carpenter it says about bobby in four years at ohio state bobby earned a reputation as a big game performer he's a classic defensive force a player who can overpower a blocker or sprint past him to make his tackles. A tenacious pass rusher, Bobby posted eight sacks in 2005, including a school record tying four for 27 yards in losses against Michigan State. He posted a total of 11 tackles in that game, turned Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week acclaim. Bobby is the son of former NFL standout Rob Carpenter. Was Bobby insufferable after that Michigan State game?

No, I do remember the game, though, when he kept getting sacks over and over. No, Bobby was Bobby. He's Bobby 100% of the times. He never changes. Now let's read about the top billing. The man that's on top of the back. He's also the man that's in the front of the three. Let's remember this guy.

662-pound deadlift, 6'2", 245, absolute stud in cowboy boots. This guy had four sacks in one game against Michigan State. But who's in front of all of them? A.J. Hawk. A.J. Hawk. A.J. Hawk. A relentless tackling machine. Jayhawk.

A relentless tackling machine. AJ won the 2005 Rotary Lombardi Award as the nation's top linebacker or lineman. He's also in Big Ten defensive MVP honors after making 121 tackles, including seven and a half sacks. 17 of his tackles resulted in 85 yards and losses for the opposition. He led the Buckeyes in tackles in three different seasons. In the college game, he was almost impossible to block. Now, scouts are projecting him to be a monstrous force in the pro fucking game. AJ Hawkins.

Buckeye hero. Where'd you guys find that? On the internet, 47 bucks. No, I think it was like five bucks now, I'm sure. Oh, you're going to put it up there next to Aaron? Wow. You're up there next to Aaron. Good for you, pal.

That's no small praise. That'll bode well for our primetime draft special. See that? We got Jordan Palmer joining us in that primetime draft special. Look at that little tag team. Well, I guess it's a foursome, but we only really know two of them. The two in the front are who we're here for. Mustache man and then the guy number 47 in there.

Hey, you mentioned Jordan Palmer. He's going to join us for our draft special, our primetime edition of that on the Thursday night, the first night of the draft. It's a good thing we're having him. Well, we wouldn't be able to get Jordan Palmer the night of the draft if it wasn't going to be done virtually wouldn't he usually be with some of those prospects that he trains six straight years in a green room he said this is the first time obviously in about seven years he hasn't been back there I assume he's been with the first round quarterback each of the last six years this year

he's got two up there he said Jordan Love's gonna go in top 15 and he also dropped a little gem on the show earlier he said the chargers are going to stick with tyrod taylor after telling me that nfl teams had called him about the players he's been working out so that makes me think that this conversation that the charge are going to take quarterback probably not an accurate one because i think he would have been asked jesus by the char Chargers about Jordan Love and such. And since that's not happening, he says he thinks they're sticking with Tyrod Taylor. I don't think that sixth pick is going to be a quarterback with the Chargers. That's just what I got out of it.

I was also on some vitamins and reaching for things because there's really not much else to talk about. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I never know what to believe. And obviously Jordan is dialed in with all the teams and the most likely number one overall pick and joe burrow and and jordan love as well but what how do you know when you can believe it pat and they're not just feeding him something that they want him to put

out there to throw other people off the scent jordan won't lie to me he's coming on a draft time special he tells i'm not saying he's lying i'm saying what if the teams are giving him misinformation well i think teams because they can't meet with these players in person, they're calling anybody that knows them or has been around them to try to get a little bit more background information. Just like last week, I forget who told us. Somebody told us that Josh McDaniels flew down to Austin to meet Baker the week of the draft just to see if they liked him.

You hear stories about GMs traveling around the country day before the draft, even two days before the draft, just to get one final meet with a guy you're potentially going to pay millions and millions of dollars to. And they can't do that anymore. So I think they would be calling around. I think Jordan would be a guy that they would call. And the fact that he's saying that he feels as if the Chargers are going to go with Tyrod Taylor this year in another position, I think is pretty telling.

Honestly, I do believe it's telling. Now, he had a Garth Brooks-like beard on there. He had a hat. He said everybody had been working out for home because of quarantine and stuff like that. But I just think that's something that a team would call him and try to get a little bit more information on this love guy. You want to call the guy that's training him.

Don't you think so? Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, I guess, a little bit. And Jordan is going to give his honest opinion because he knows next year he's going to have some other quarterbacks that are going to go high in the draft. So you want to be credible to these coaches and GMs and scouts that call you. So it would make sense for him to give the truth about his guys if he truly like where he thinks they can play, what kind of system they would work in. So, yeah, I mean, who knows? That's why it's going to be a fun draft. Tout a truth.

You haven't even seen that movie, and you keep saying that line. I have seen that movie. Have you ever seen it? The CTE movie with Will Smith? Concussion. I have not actually seen the movie. I'm just not super motivated to watch it now. Well, I watched it, and I went into the locker room the next day

and told all my teammates not to watch it. It'll scare the hell out of you. It scared the hell out of me. Not for me, obviously, but for a lot of my friends that I've seen them just run their faces into things for all these years. It was a scary movie. Will Smith tells the truth. Yeah, where is that guy now, that doctor?

Didn't they say he was kind of a snake oil salesman? I've seen some hit pieces on that dude put out there basically saying, oh, he's benefiting from all of this and goes on speaking tours. Dr. Bennett Amala? He had some trumped up evidence. That's not what doctors do. Doctors don't lie about stuff to put themselves over in the wrestling world. You're saying he was part of Big Concussion?

Big Concussion. Are you on Merrill Hodge's side that it's all fake? No, I'm not. I don't know what side I'm on. It's Myron Cope. What'd you say? It cut me off. I couldn't hear you.

I said Merrill Hodge wrote a book that basically said that CTE is fake, and he did a Myron Cope. Yeah, that's the former voice of the pittsburgh steelers the man that created terrible talent rest in peace he never said that but that is who he's referring to as myron cope he confused that with merrill hodge because he heard an m and an r in the first name and just as a parrot he just immediately said the first thing he absolutely yes it's understandable i can see how he made that mistake. Yeah, absolutely.

You think it's all fake, huh? You don't think CT is real? Not at all. Stop putting words in my mouth. AJ Hawk, Buckeye hero, CT is fake. Thinks Will Smith was lying in that movie? I haven't seen the movie, so I can't speak on the movie. I don't know where I fall in the whole CT concussion.

Does playing football put you at greater risk of brain damage? Absolutely. But what everything does, I just don't know to what extent, and I don't claim to understand it all like some people think they do. All right. Let's move forward then. You think Bill Belichick believes Will Smith was was telling the truth do you think any of those guys care no right no can't no the nfl had to say that like safety is our number one priority that was

years ago by the way a lot of players during the cba thing were like well they talk about players you haven't heard the nfl talk about player safety in a couple years the last time they talked about player safety was when the concussion movie came out and they were battling the CTEPR and they were getting sued by ex-players and then they ultimately ended up settling and each player got like $45 or something like that. It was a really good move by... The war on football.

Yeah, there was a war on football there for a little bit. When people were thinking that, by the way, football's not going to survive, parents aren't going to let their kids play, there's no future for the NFL, all this stuff was happening. So they came out and they said our number one priority is player safety. They changed rules, heads up football.

They're doing this entire thing. You haven't heard that for a couple years. So whenever the players were coming out during this new CBA, and they were like, well, all they talk about is player safety. To their benefit, they have not talked about player safety for the last couple years. They've kind of pivoted away from that since the war on football is over and directly dove into the let's get the money all the money pile i don't think it's talked about players all you hear from now all you hear about

safety with the nfl is the concussion they list concussions oh concussions were down 14 this year from last year i'm like first off's no – it's like when you see a poll. Let's say there's a poll that they say, oh, this guy is something. Have you ever taken a poll, Pat? Have you ever been stopped on the street and agreed and said, oh, yeah, I would love to fill this form out? Nope. They said 75% of people won't go back into public gatherings

in time for the football season. It was like, who did they interview? And they were like, it was a Yale study. It's like, well, they need to get out of that little yuppie territory and interview some people out here that were willing to not go to another NFL game ever again if that national anthem thing continued. Ask them if they'll go to a game after this pandemic ends or whatever. They're hopping right back into those stadiums.

They're high-fiving people. They couldn't wait to high-five people. They're talking about, oh, maybe no more handshakes. People would be scared to do it. I don't think out here in America people are going to be hugging, kissing more than they ever have in the past because of this dirt craziness of being locked up. I honestly believe that, and I agree.

One of the first things you learn in college, I forget which class it was. I went to only like four of them. It was either sociology or something else. And they're like polls. Yes, they're good data. But the immediate question after you see a poll is who was polled that is all you should ask because if you go to 100 people in indianapolis and you say do you know who pat mcphee is and they go yes we we could set that poll up to say we polled 100 people in the united states and all 100 people

knew who pat mcphee was you go outside of ind, though, do you know who Pat McAfee is? No, no. We could rig that poll to go any direction that we could possibly want it to go, and that's just the deception of some facts and stats and numbers that people can do and have been doing with the growing number of stats that have been appropriated for different things. Well, you know, Roger Goodell in the NFL should thank Tom Brady. If you remember in that Howard Stern interview, Howard asked him, oh, would you let your kids or are you going to let your kids play football? And Tom, without hesitation, said absolutely. He laid out a

bunch of great things that contact sports kind of do to build you as a person and join like the camaraderie and what you learn about yourself being tested through physical contact and all that stuff. If Tom would have said, no, i would never let my kids play football like that's so dangerous can you imagine like the backlash towards the nfl that would have caused tom by the way potential guy that i would have thought would have said no about his kids playing football by the way so him coming out and saying yes that's a big deal and i do believe that getting smacked in your mouth can teach you some things growing up absolutely are you kidding me like think about all of the times you played other positions other than kicker and punter didn't you no no but i was a stud everywhere you what do you like okay you can at least we we talked about

how nervous you would be sometimes going to bed the night before your conditioning test remember yes yes and punting the tyreek hill yeah exactly like there's a different level of like anxiety you get, especially as a young kid, when it's first day of pads the next day, or you know you're going to be doing hamburger drills, we call it, when you lay on your back and stand up and just try to kill each other.

Things like that. Oh, Oklahoma's. It's tough to sleep going into those days. You're all anxiety. You're kind of nervous, and all of a sudden you get done. You're like, man, I'm glad I did that. I learned a lot about myself. I love that Ohio just refuses to acknowledge another state's football drill

and the rest of the world calls them oklahoma's not in ohio we call them hamburger drills because we're trying to pancake these sons of bitches no it's different hamburgers one-on-one just i'm laying okay with one person you just get up so basically whoever gets up the fastest kills the dude there's no ball There's no ball. There's no ball involved usually. I played running back in one of those drills where there was – Oklahoma drills, so stupid. With the running back, like it's almost impossible to make a tackle.

It's awesome. You have blockers for every person there. I look so athletic. I look so athletic. Because the defense, you guys, they blow the whistle obviously. And you've got an offensive lineman and a defensive lineman. You've got a linebacker and a tight end. And then then you got to try to make your with the running back has like an alley that you got to make it through and they let me do one in college and boy i thought i was

going to get some reps that weekend i see i'm gone they're all the fifth string d lineman just rolled back on his back almost jumped over him i felt like an absolute stud you know you would have loved doing at ohio state i don't even know what we called it but i think it was there's two offensive linemen then two defensive guys and a running back but then there was a safety with no blocker on him but the db coach was holding him back so he would hold hold hold and you couldn't go right when the ball snapped but he would hold him until the running back would kind of start to break through that initial line and there would be massive collisions between that unblocked db and the running back we had a coach um i forget if it was bill stewart when

bill stewart took over bill stewart loved those drills for every the first drill of every practice when he thought there wasn't enough juice when there wasn't enough juice in the practice he would set that thing up to lead off the day oh my god these guys are just rolling out of class and they like do like a quick little five minute stretch they just stumbled into the facility and then whammy it's like all right here we go we're gonna do these till the defense gets a stop here and these guys are just killing each other i used to i think that's how i got in is because they're like, we're waiting for the defense to get a stop. McAfee, why don't you fucking get in there? They'll tackle you.

And I scooted right. You think I'm going to get hit? No way. Too delicate. Because I used to. But I do believe that football and contact sports and team sports teach you about stuff. I think it helps you learn how to work when you're tired. Like, I think that's something that people don't don't do sports get to truly experience and whenever they get later in their life when they get a little bit tired

they haven't been forced either by their peers or a coach to power through that incredible fatigue and kind of perform at a high level i think sports helps you with that whether it's a game or the practice or the training i think that is something that that peer pressure of having to make it even though your whole body wants to quit and die i think that's something that that peer pressure of having to make it, even though your whole body wants to quit and die. I think that's something that you can't learn in a lot of places. And that's why I enjoy team sports. And by the way, that's why my kid is going to play quarterback in the NFL someday. Why? Why quarterback?

Just because you want to make all the money? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dad wants to retire. I get it. You know what it does? Physical like playing combat sports. It teaches you like, Oh,

you thought you knew what exhaustion was, what it felt like to be tired. And it's one thing to be tired and have to power through and run a mile or something. It's another thing to be dead tired where your whole body and your brain saying like, Hey, you're done.

Like sit on the ground. Like you're, you can't breathe. Your legs hurt so bad. And then you've got to push through for another hour and a half of physical contact where, you know, like I can't just throw my head in there. I got to bring it or I'm going to get killed. Like, I think it teaches you to push through those things. So it makes everything else in life a lot easier. You ever run into somebody in the hole that

looks like you, AJ? Yeah, I don't know if I would have done very well. How much you weigh right now? I don't know, buddy. I'm scared to get on the scale, to be honest with you. Are you? Because after the fall, I was up 30 from the fall then were you really up 30 you told me that i don't believe you yeah i was 265 or something like that by the end of the fall i was very large very you could see it you could see it here so what are you at now then you got to be like 230. no i think i'm like 250 right now so because i was down 20. so i was down i was on a sharp decline i was getting fit i could see my jawline again and i got locked down and my lady became this incredible baker i mean and i got

i just got massive amounts of things at the house at all times and then easter happened you know jesus came out of that cave so those eggs come around and then it just hasn't stopped it's been a non-stop yeah yeah yeah yeah no no no, the problem with you, you're always going to weigh a lot. You're going to weigh more than you look because let's say you're 250 pounds right now. I'd say 222 of that is in your lower half. Good call. I mean, let's not get crazy, but good call. You know what I'm built?

I'm built like a barrel. So you see this like torso wise. So anytime I get a little fat on me, you see it when I have to sit down for my job. Unless I have that perfect patty posture that some people I don't know how people do it how they like. It's hard to do it for like five or six hours a day like when you're on camera. Well, today we're gonna talk about sports and sit perfectly

like this on top. I don't know how micro dose. I well they got that thing that uh yeah you gotta pinch the shoulders it shocks you i think it's i almost got influenced into buying it a couple times but oh it's on instagram right yeah but the commercial was like literally the person like getting like i'm like i don't know if that's if that's how that'd be good for radio i don't know if i wanted that yeah like get into like hours. We're back. Might have to do it for that draft. That thing could take forever with the tech glitches.

That's the word. The tech glitches that are going to happen with that draft. We do need to figure out what the time schedule is like for the draft. Is it scheduled 8 to 10? Do we know? I have no idea. And honestly, none of us can guess because the amount of technology fails that they're going to have. I don't think that is being estimated. But the picks are going to happen.

They're not going to delay the picks. They still have to happen. Even if their Zoom fails, there's going to be redundancy programs in place. Like, hey, all else fails. We've got four burner phones we can call our pick in. Yeah, but what if they want to trade? What if the trade gets held up because of technology? You know what I mean?

I think there's going to be people that are going to want to move. Potentially the Patriots. Let's say, man, I wonder with the phone lines and stuff, if you want to trade and you want to work some deals like you normally would do, is there any way where other teams, like we were talking about hiring hackers early on to monitor calls, but no, what if you somehow jammed up their lines so they can't really get through and communicate with the people they want to?

There's a separate line, I believe, for trades. What if you jam that? What if you somehow inundate one team's, like, all of their different lines and their different coaches? It doesn't have to shut them down, but you just make it very difficult for those guys to communicate. You've got to remember, every little advantage in the NFL is a real thing. Like, that's why you didn't hear a lot of NFLfl people speaking out against what happened with brady potentially with that ball thing

because everybody in the nfl is like uh let's just let's let's get past this and and like whenever the spy gate thing happened and roger goodell decided to burn the tapes or whatever like that everybody in the nfl is trying to get that advantage if you think you could potentially get an advantage by hiring some young nerd to potentially hold up a trade, that is a move that one of these billionaires would most certainly make if it's going to help them potentially win a Super Bowl or win more games.

I mean, it doesn't even have to be that serious. What if they hired some dude for $20 an hour and he goes over there and he somehow clips the line going into the GM's house. So the guy's power is just completely shot. Have I ever told you about the time that I had, like, two tests this one day, and we thought we knew where the superintendent lived, and it was 28 degrees outside, so it was freezing, but it wasn't snowing.

And we took, like, a bunch of water, okay, at, at like 2, 3 a.m., my friend and I. We go to where we thought he lived, and we just dumped his entire front porch with water. We tried to make it like an ice skating thing, you know what I mean? Because we thought when he woke up in the morning, he would go out to check to see if he should delay school or cancel school. And it was supposed to be a little snow. And we thought he'd walk out there and just catch it on the porch and just fucking bust ass and be like, oh, we got to cancel school because everything's frozen.

Turns out we got the neighbor almost fucking paralyzed the lady when she was heading to work, so school was still on. That's not a terrible idea, honestly. I give you some credit. That was high school? Yeah, it was high school. I felt really good about it. I mean, but don't you think the superintendent would take a little more into account than just the first 10 feet of their

walkway that you try to pour water on i try to get his hip early you know i try to get him early there like literally right in front of the door i was loading that thing up i mean we had yeah so maybe if like maybe if he was on the fence he's like i don't know it's kind of we're kind of in between should i cancel should i not and then all of, bam, he's on the back of his head, hits the concrete. He's like, all right, guys, go have fun today. Exactly. That's what I thought was going to happen.

Turns out we got the wrong house. Well, I didn't learn that until like a week later. How'd you find out? Well, I was told a story by somebody who lived in the neighborhood about a potential neighbor almost going down. I was like, let's check the house. And they pointed at the house. And I was like, so the superintendent does not live there. They're like, no, that's Mrs. Insert name here.

And I was like, almost killed a lady. Almost killed a lady. But I, you know, failed those tests. So I was doing it for a good reason. I knew that I was going to have no shot in those tests. I thought I was smart. But I see somebody potentially doing that to a team in this draft if possible. They would ice the porch of their phone lines

to potentially slow them down from making a trade. Yeah, I think anything's on the table. Who knows what is going to happen? That's what makes it really fun to think about. And what makes me excited is thinking of all of these coaches and scouts and GMs. Right now they're working so hard to get their little draft room set up. Like, okay, this is where I'm going to be. This is all my plans.

If this goes down, if my Wi-Fi isn't good, I got to make sure I got to shut my kids up. They can't be streaming anything. I need to have a good connection. It's going to be cool to see, especially some of these old school coaches that don't even know how to turn on a computer. I can't wait to see. Luckily for them, their work is already done in the draft. They're not pulling the trigger on who you're going to pick. They just

turn in their reports on the guys they scouted so you don't have to count on them, but the GM owners, I mean, Belichick is the coach slash GM, so he's making all those decisions, but most coaches don't really, the assistant coaches don't really have anything to do with the draft. All coaches do is normally just bitch about the draft.

That's normally what coaches do. Coaches are normally so pissed off. If you're a defensive coordinator and it's like the fifth straight year of getting an offensive player in the first round, you're like, of course, trying to screw us again. We'll take whatever they give us. And if you're like a wide receiver coach and they take a running back, you're like, well, I guess they don't care about the wide receivers.

There is always little clicks of people that are pissed off regardless. Like, you hear those fans boo immediately after picks are made? There's not a lot of picks that make an entire facility happy either, and that includes coaches, players, everybody. Yeah, and if you run into any coaches that you're close enough with and are cool, they're like, well, I don't even know why I turned my – I spent three months profiling all these guys. We've never selected a player that I've done a report on.

So why don't we turn these things in? I might as well turn them in blank next time. They're so pissed. They get so, so mad. I think the assistant coaches that feel as if they didn't get the guy that they wanted, they might be the most pissed out of all the people at draft night. You see those fans that are upset and throwing their hats? There's coaches that are potentially moving out of

their office just like, well, we're fucked. I'm going to lose. I'm going to get fired here. It's a wild scene and we'll be live. We will be live. Yes, we will. It'll be fun to watch how we work it out too. Our technology during the draft. We can't show anything on screen obviously, right?

Can we get Zeke? Can we start building like a little Chiron where you could have a running order of the draft? Like, number one, Joe Burrow. Yeah, I got you. A bottom Chiron that just is scrolling at all times like they'll play on ESPN. Chiron Zeke.

Zeke, you know what a Chiron is? I think he's talking about a ticker. You talking about a ticker? Ticker, Chiron, yeah, same thing. What the hell is a chiron what what is a chiron someone look it up sounds like a dragon i think is more of like a graphic on the side a ticker is a moving deal on the bottom of the screen a chiron c-h-y-r-o-n is an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen. Wow. Good pull. Did you get that at broadcast boot camp? No, I did not.

Did you go to broadcast boot camp? Yeah, I did. Ten years ago, maybe. How was it? It was good. It's a lot of work, man. How many up-dons did you have to do? It was boot camp.

Up-don! Up-don! No, it was normally just a whistle. Really? Yeah. It changed. You think a coach is yelling up down and you got to remember? Up.

Down. That's how you think up downs go? That's how I coach. Oh, geez. Double yoy. Back to Maranko. Did you see Christian McCaffrey got $16 million a year for the next four years? Are you happy for him, pumped up for him, excited for him?

How do you feel about this? I'm happy for him. I'm usually weary of giving running backs second contracts, but I think Christian McCaffrey is one of the few that could buck the trend. Why? First off, he truly is a running back slash receiver. I mean, Matt Rule even said that. Like, we can't just label is a running back slash receiver. I mean, Matt Rule even said that. Like, we can't just label him a running back.

He's not a running back that does well catching the ball out of the backfield. You can legit make him your slot receiver. You can put him anywhere on the field and get really creative with him. He's got two seasons in a row with over 1,000 receiving and over 1,000 rushing. I mean, that's pretty amazing. I think he had, what, 400 and some touches this past season. You can't give him that many touches moving up forward and expect him to hold up, I think, even though he has never missed a game at this point. You got to find a way to give him a little

bit of a break physically, but they're going to build their team around him. So I think that's good for Teddy Bridgewater. Takes pressure off of him and puts more pressure on Christian McCaffrey. And he's only 23 years old, too. So I wouldn't be completely scared. I understand why they made it, why they did this deal. But I think it's, yeah, anytime you pay a running back a second contract, it's scary. Evan Fox, he's over here stretching it out. His body can't even handle that. Christian McCaffrey made all that money.

Oh, dad. Sorry. Why not? Back loose. Fox, he just had to stand up. He almost walked out of the facility while you were talking about this team being Christian McCaffrey. Is he mad he's not on the Lions?

Is that why? Is that what the problem is? I thought I was just getting a little subtle stand up, loosen the back up, keep the program moving. You pushed your chair all the way back here. You made a sigh, too. Foxy posture. The interesting thing about this to me is they said they're gonna

um the team is going to be built around christian mccaffrey basically right what's the last time you've heard that build build an nfl team around a running back slash receiver i think fantasy football back in the day you were supposed to take a running back first if i i'm not a big fantasy football guy but i remember listening to my fantasy friends say like oh i gotta get a run back in early. You know, the good one's great or whatever. So they used to build their team around it. But for him, they're building this team around this running back slash slot receiver who's put the Carolina Panthers on his back,

and he's still making $5 million a year less than Teddy Bridgewater. That is the insanity of the NFL to me. It's like that's the difference between taking the ball from the center and then getting the ball from the quarterback five million dollars a year difference because just like you said this is good for Teddy Bridgewater anytime you have a very talented running back it's great for the quarterback that's why I thought Le'Veon Bell is a great signing for Sam Darnold now obviously he gets mono and things like that Aaron Jones has been great for Aaron Rodgers you name it Raheem Mostert for the running back crew there. Everywhere that has a good running back normally has a good quarterback.

That's just how it goes. So to have this for Christian McCaffrey, 60 million a year is good. But for Teddy B, first time starting in a long time, basically being the guy, to have that comfort blanket in the backfield for at least the next four years is a beautiful thing. I think it's a good move by Matt Rule moving forward if you were teddy bridgewater would you take offense to the fact that matt rule said i can't wait to build this thing around him speaking of christian mccaffrey no because they they pay me 21 million a year to build it around another guy i'm okay

with that that they're paying less money too okay that's cool with me he's gonna get hit more all right i'm getting paid more and they're building around that guy, and he's getting hit more. Sign me up. I'm going to do my motorbike right through that. Teddy Bridgewater doing that motorbike all the way through. Isn't Teddy probably used to it too? Because probably the last time it was built around a running back was Adrian Peterson when he was in Minnesota. And he was a pro bowler on a way to being an absolute stud with the Vikings

whenever that was happening. Good call. Who were the quarterbacks during that time, though, when it was built around Adrian? They had Christian Ponder for a minute. I should know. I was playing against him at the time. Matt Castle was there for a while.

Joe Webb. Don't forget about Joe Webb. That's something, bitch. You could throw it. I think Joe Webb started a playoff game against us in Green Bay. Tavares Jackson. Rest in peace, Tavares Jackson. Oh, you're right.

Tavares was there. That's a terrible story about Tavares. It sucks. But Tavares was actually a pretty good player, though terrible story about Tavares. It sucks. But Tavares was, actually he was a pretty good player though. When he was in Minnesota, he gave us fits sometimes. You guys were playing against Minnesota last night on television. Who was that? What one was it?

Favre. Oh, they played, yeah, when we went there and got blasted by Favre, right? How'd you do? Did you do okay? Did Brett Favre slice and dice? I don't think I played a whole lot. Why? What's going on? Did you piss off a coach? Didavre slice and dice? I don't think I played a whole lot. Why? What's going on? Did you piss off a coach? Did you get a concussion?

No concussion. I was dressed. I think I was going in on certain packages. I don't know. I'm not sure how it went. How's that work? You're an all-time leading tackler for the Packers. They're going to keep that on the sideline and get blasted by a 50-year-old man?

They deserve to lose. No wonder they lost. Brett was on fire that first year. He beat us twice. His first time he beat us twice his first time he was in minnesota against us well he had quite a grudge i if i do recall it wasn't exactly a smooth exit from the packers organization i i think that was uh one did you ever go there to minnesota and play uh against them when adrian had a big game no but i i did play against them

in the new stadium when adrian came back early from another injury does that make sense okay he was the captain i haven't been in their new stadium i know it's awesome but that old dome he played in when adrian would get going man it was so difficult to stop that dude yeah you got it the whole place does that right they do i'm sorry i don't know if you were on The whole place does that, right? They do. I'm sorry. I don't know if you were on rhythm on the right beat with the rest of the crowd there. Well, I needed them around me because they got that big. Hey, what do you think of Brock Lesnar as a football player?

Anything Brock Lesnar does is good, is what I think. I would never be caught on record saying anything negative about that guy. He's our alpha male. When the aliens come down and want to fight us, we should send Brock Lesnar at them and say, this is our best. That's honestly how I feel. Maybe you and Brock Lesnar is probably how I feel like we should go. No, I can't be put in that category.

Brock is a scary individual. I just saw some clips of him during his time in Minnesota in the preseason. They show some clips online I watched. It looked like he didn't have great leverage, which was a bit surprising because he was a wrestler known for leverage. But that's one of those things where elite athletes, whenever they get dropped into the NFL game, that's a very difficult transition to make.

You don't really see that kind of happen on a regular basis just because of the little subtleties of things that you have to know or you're going to get wiped out. It's those little subtleties like you talked about. I think I've mentioned to you the one game I played punt return. I felt like the guys were playing tricks. They were playing games laughing at me as I think I'm running scot-free. Bam, I get picked off from a dude.

They were playing games with me, and that's probably a little bit. If you haven't played football since high school, you get thrown into the NFL all of a sudden you're like geez okay like i gotta find a way to get back into it i don't even know how to use my hands anymore it would be really weird you know the old hip pull that thing was awesome yeah special teamers used to use the hip pull all the time i even put it in one i even got it in one game just explain what it is so you're running with somebody you're running you're running you're running and then as soon as you want to make a move and you realize you're in a spot where refs probably won't see you, you take both of your hands on the hips

and then you just kind of pull them back. It's like a slingshot. Slingshot. Yeah, you can do it with one arm to slingshot your way around like the front of a guy too. Yeah, it's a stack them. Everything in NFL and football is about stacking somebody. It's about wide receivers are told to stack the corner.

Special teamers are told to stack the person that's supposed to block them because the only way they can get them is a push in the back at that particular point. And a great way to get stacked or get stacked on somebody is the old slingshot double hip move. But you can't have your entire team doing it at the same time. Brant Boyer, who's now the special teams coordinator for the New York Jets, played special teams for the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Browns

for like 11, 13 years. I forget what it was. He had or 13 years and that was back whenever you know you were just running your face into a double wedge for this guy legend of a man like he was back and just a special teamer stud and he started he was the assistant special teams coach for our team and he started teaching the boys you know like these little tricks he's like oh here's a little trick all right here you go just do this and our entire punt return team in this one play, literally every single person that was on punt return, other than the returner, grabbed the person's hips and threw them back.

And the flags that flew, every single ref threw a flag on the field or whatever. So we had to go back to the film. And Tom McMahon was like, boys, like, it's a good fucking move, but everybody can't do it on the same plane. Brad's like, that's on me, Mitch. I apologize or whatever. So those little things are such little game changers that even the elite athletes can't handle if they're not used to it. Just because it's something you got to be taught and you got to learn.

It's not something you could just be dropped in the middle of and pick up, I don't think. You got to do it in a game. You got to do it in games multiple times to actually be able to execute it. Saw like six dudes at the same time. It was awesome. It looked like everybody was doing it like in choreography, basically. It was beautiful.

Did they take anyone down, too? Did anyone go down or not? There's a couple guys that they know. You can get the other veteran special teamers, by the way, that as soon as they feel the hip grab, they give their hands up, right? So then refs see it. So it's like there's a lot of gamesmanship happening between those guys that make a living

only on fourth downs. I mean, there's only so many paychecks in every tackle. Cots. Before we get to Bill Belichick, something we love doing is we like diving deep into the most beautiful part of the internet, the YouTube comment section, and do some YouTube. I can't say it. It's offsides. It wasn't offsides.

False start. YouTube questions. I was looking for you, AJ, to say questions there, because you know, Coase. I'm not taking that Zito's gig No no no Zito's after the graphic hits Oh my bad I can't see anything from here so I don't know What graphics I don't know anything

I just see you Yeah but I was I actually pointed at you Yeah you do that a lot Everyone's fine we like to dive deep into youtube comments questions youtube questions you know all right uh there was a lot of questions but this one popped up who would win between pads 2005 west virginia team uh sugar bowl champs or aj's 2005 ohio state, Fiesta Bowl champs?

Did you guys win a national championship? Was that national championship? No, 2002 was national championship, my freshman year. Our 05 team kind of surprised everybody. That was before the zone read was what everybody was doing. So we were able to do that at a very high level because Steve Slayton got his scholarship pulled from Maryland like a week before signing day.

So he was running his ass off and was fastening everybody. And Pat White was just electric every single time he touched the rock. Our team was a great team that a couple years later, whenever we had a chance to go to the Natty and then we lost the pit and a couple missed kicks in the first quarter, people say is the reason why. That team was potentially the best team I'd ever been on other than that night, obviously.

But I think our 05 team was a pretty good squad. But it's just two very different styles of football between the Big Ten and what we were running over there in West Virginia, don't you think? Yeah, I mean, I remember Steve Slayton and Pat White. You couldn't stop those dudes. And it was real early on in the zone read thing, so no one knows the responsibilities.

It would have definitely been a test. I don't know. It's hard to compare teams against teams or era against this era. It's like someone wants to say, oh, who's going to win, a Lakers team in their prime when LeBron's there or Jordan in the 94 Bulls? I don't know. I don't even know.

He might have been retired in 94, but Bulls in their prime. You think the Bulls would have won? Yeah, I'd take the Bulls during that run over anybody pretty much. What? Wow. I know it's a different game now, and everybody shoots threes, and everybody drains threes, and they didn't do that nearly as much back when Jordan was rolling.

You know what? Actually, I don't know. I don't care who would win because it's never going to happen. Well, we got you to answer, though, immediately after saying, I don't care. I don't know why I fall into these hypotheticals. I'm not a professional host here. That's literally what my job is to do.

You're like Howard Stern. You get people to say things they normally wouldn't say or do. Hey! High praise. High praise. That feels very good to say. I want to let you know that made me feel very, very good right there. I was almost blushed. They said the thing that would kill us, the read is speed speed killed us we'd always struggle

with south florida because they had a bunch of speed they'd be able to penetrate or be able to get the edge did your was your ohio state team a fast team yeah i mean we had that year it was my senior year we had some studs those the three linebackers that were pictured on your box that you brought in today we had had Stud D. Lyman. Dante Wittner was safety behind. He was the ninth overall pick that year. Nate Sally at safety. We had Stud Corners.

Yeah, we had some players. I think Bobby Carpenter would have had a big game, maybe the Paisan. No, Bobby would have been great for that game, to slow play the read at times on the edge, but he has the speed and the length to try to force some bad decisions out of the quarterback and running back. They're a little mesh. It would have been a fun matchup. All of the box is low-fat food. Yeah, just stay fit.

How do we lie to people? This is low-fat. You want to stop being fat, eat this one. Go box! You're telling me if I eat that, I can become like A.J. Hawk? Did you get any percentage of those? I got paid. Yeah.J. Hawk? Did you get any percentage of those? I got paid, yeah. Oh. When?

That was part of the deal. Like when you get done in Ohio State after your senior year, you can go sign autographs for the next four or five months around the state, and that's part of the marketing situation. That's a good thing about being at Ohio State. The Ohio State is that type of stuff. You know, those $1,000 handshakesakes those autographs immediately afterwards the free education that there's no thousand dollar handshakes for for me at least while i was still playing but the second that the fiesta bowl was over my senior year i was

eligible to go do what you want and make money it's kind of weird isn't it it is like as soon as that game's over i'm going back to the team hotel that the school paid for right before that but if a guy wants to give me $10,000 at the bar, I can be like, you're damn right, and I can buy those drinks for all my teammates. But right before that game kicked off, I couldn't even look at that guy, or our entire team would potentially lose the bowl championship

that we were at. Wild world that the NCAA is creating. Or like a lot of times, too, people sign with an agent right after the last game, their senior year or whatever. So let's say the agent has a runner he's been given gifts or whatever wants to give some gifts if if it's halftime of that game and he's like oh hey by the way hands the keys to a new car to these parents or something like this is just a little extra something for you guys that's highly illegal we'll get everybody in trouble probably strip the school of everything but if

he waits 30 more minutes until the clock runs out and hands him the keys, it's fine. Here's a Lambo. I wanted to give it to you before the game, but Mark Emmert, you know, I can't fucking tell. Did you have agents come into your house trying to recruit you? No, not come into my house. Like my college house?

Yeah. No. Did they go to the facility? Like how did it work? No. Agents weren't allowed in the facility. Are you kidding me? I didn't know that i had no idea my i don't know how each i i would imagine most colleges don't let agents and runners into their facility why not i don't know i mean unless you're the head

coach's agent but how did you find the agent you were going to go with he didn't go to your house what you guys meet it like a cheddars or something i got lucky Pistol, kind of talked because I didn't want to do it. So Pistol kind of talked to different people and then narrowed it down, and then I made the decision. Pistol plays no game. Yeah, he got to go meet with him and sit in those long meetings that I would never take part in, and he knew me well, and he's like, hey, I'll kind of do some research

and narrow it down to who I think you'd be a good fit with. Are you still with that agent today? Yeah. Mike McCartney out of Chicago. Pistol did a great job. Pistol did a great job. Yeah. He knew me well.

I think he knew my personality and what I would like. And yeah, it was cool. It worked out well for me. My one roommate was a lot of guys were trying to sign him or whatever agent wise. So they were coming to our house actually to recruit them like we had i remember this agent sitting in our living room because we were getting blacked out in the kitchen and there was a wall that was kind of separating the two right and we're in the kitchen you're playing full cup flip cup or something along those lines i have my uh sombrero on i mean i'm wearing sleeveless i mean we're having a good time in

there and i have a pitcher of beer and he's in there doing his whole shtick you know and we're trying to keep it down as quiet as possible uh but they get to the wonderlick time in my my roommate was a very smart very smart person and this guy had a list of the wonderlick scores somehow this guy this guy had a list of the wonderlick scores and uh he goes do you have my roommate scores or whatever and i he goes pat come on You want to know your wonderlook score? I'm like, absolutely. I walk out there with a pitcher of beer in my hand, a sombrero, a sleeveless shirt or whatever.

I think I had long, baggy, khaki, yeah, baggy, khaki cargo shorts on. Maybe some flippy floppies. Probably just hit maybe a four-foot water bong. I mean, I was on next level. And this guy's like, oh, yeah, you got a 37 or something like that i was like is that good and he was like yeah and it was better than the guy that he was talking to whatever my roommate right so i was like what did you get he's like uh 35 or something like i was like oh and i chugged that thing and go back into the kitchen and they talked for another 30 minutes and all we did is we were just imagining how pissed

off our smart friend was out there that there was no chance that agent was signing with him because he said that I was smarter than him. So that agent was just wasting his time. And by the time the guy left, we were blacked out. And Rita found out he was now the dumbest one in the house. It was a good day. It was a great day. Wait, when did you take the Wonderlic?

We took it our junior year. Really? Yeah, so it was our junior year was the first time they'd ever done uh at pro day we got our height our weight we'd never done this before it was because pat it was because pat white was in our class so pro day for the seniors we're juniors you come in height weight i had no idea i was rather hung over actually and we go in and they're like all right juniors we're gonna height and weight you and then you're gonna take the wonderlick test and all this other stuff if you don't have any classes or whatever so I did height weight and

then I had a class and the academic people were like if you have a class you can't take the wonderlick now you got to go to your class I was like I'm not going to my class like you have to you can't take the wonder like what do you think the NFL is gonna think of well tell them I'm gonna make a lot more money with them than I am with anything in this class so i'm going to take this wonder look so we sat down took the wonderlick and then it was a couple months later whenever they were trying to recruit my friend or whatever it was a very interesting process though that was very weird by the way no agents wanted to sign me i wonder why i really wonder why i couldn't even fathom why it was a very wild time to be alive back then you guys didn't do the junior pro day thing

no i mean i would go and watch pro day for all my teammates but i didn't do anything there like when i was just a junior no i just went and watched did you you didn't run you didn't do any of that my senior year you mean yeah yeah i mean i did everything at the combine and then i redid my 40 and did all the linebacker drills at our pro day a couple weeks later what did you run i don't know i think i ran low four five at the combine what kidding me so fast is that what you thought you were gonna run i thought it was gonna be faster at the combine but uh you thought you were gonna run four four i was hoping to did you have you had ever run run four, four. I was hoping to, did you have, you had ever run a four,

four in training or anything? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Working. I did it. My pro day. I ran four,

four something, but it doesn't, it's like, it doesn't matter if it's at your protein. It's not the combine. I go, you guys run 38 yards downhill. Like,

okay, maybe, I don't know. Well, you want the coaches don't know that if that's the case, you want number five overall. I mean, that's pretty, pretty good, my friend. Yeah, I wonder how long they're going to continue to do the 225 bench max at the combine.

How many did you do for that? I only got like 24. I'm not a huge bench man. Oh, jeez. That's nothing. You sound like a top six pick. Is that water you drink out of that white can? Yeah, yeah Liquid death is what it's called

Ice cold Ice cold It's like It tastes like Rust Belt You'll know what this is You know what he used to drink out of the hose In the summer?

Still do, yeah Yeah This is what it tastes like And it's ice cold It is so good This is This is not they have not paid us to say this this is the best water i've ever had in my entire life it's kind

of frustrating because you can't close it but it is so cold because it's in the can i mean it's like um you know i used to you could take a beer can and you put it into like a bowl with ice in it and you like shake it for like 15 seconds it gets cold you got you twirl it yeah yeah that's what happens with like this for instance if you get a uh 24 pack of water bottles and you put them in the fridge for instance it's going to take those a couple hours to get cold this thing you put them in the refrigerator 15 minutes later you got you got something stinging your mouth and that's what liquid death is i think it's an aggressive name obviously and it's uh it's

obviously looks like you're just house and pounders but it is the coldest water i've ever had in my entire life couldn't shotgun it if i tried yeah well maybe they can uh come up with a few billion dollars and take over gatorade and you know instead of gatorade coolers in the sidelines we'll have like squirt bottles that look like that liquid death what are the guys what are they all reaching for at halftime oh they're grabbing liquid death you should have heard their ads we had to read their ads too what the fuck is that shit.com that was the website what the fuck is this shit.com who started this company this guy's awesome yeah he's a legend there's a guy from netflix i think he's one of the co-founders of netflix he wanted his own water so he went up to uh swiss alps the swiss alps yeah and it's basically the entire idea is liquid death

spring water murder your thirst that's the tagline it's a little aggressive but he's got is there any way to actually prove that he goes to the swiss alps and gets this water check it right out uh this one is actually from the canadian rocky so it turns out they've already stopped international flights. This one's from Canada. So it is very good. I mean, it is very,

very good. I like that hose water though. It reminds me of a kid running around, going back to the house, you know, putting a thumb in there. Well, that was before they had bottled water.

Like there wasn't bottled water when I was a kid. Yeah. I mean, I used to drink out of the toilet. I can't say that, but yeah. Well, I'm Rust Belt. You're not. Yeah, you're right.

Did you drink out of it after you had the blue tablet in the back of the tank so your water was blue and bleached? Anytime I went to somebody's house and they had that blue thing, I was like, these parents care about it. I still have that. I still buy those on Amazon all the time and put them in multiple toilets. Well, it makes your house look much cooler when you got the blue water and it looks like you actually care you know what i mean yeah the big upgrade for the house was um at one point we had a very small bathroom i mean the bathroom was tiny and my mom she liked that like sauna shower have you ever seen those showers where it's like, it's like a standup shower, but they got,

it's an entire set up. It's like a steam room in there. It's like a sauna and everything like that. Have you ever seen this before? I don't know about a sauna. I know there's steam showers. Yeah. It's a,

it's this incredible thing. I don't know. My mom was hooked on it. She put it in the house. So like the toilet kind of got like the room. Cause the toilet set already. So the shower was small. And then this thing comes in there.

That was the biggest upgrade we ever got in our house and i'll tell you what i'm surprised i don't have one in my house now i used to just sit in there for 20 30 minutes it was awesome it was legendary come with a chair like a place to sit like a bench there's like a little bench yeah so old tim mcafee had to zito production that thing into the bathroom it was incredible it was i forget the name of it and my brother right now is sitting back there like oh i remember when that fucking thing came in there was no room in the bathroom because this thing was in there and that's the only thing i remember of an upgrade at the bathroom but i think just a couple of those blue things in the toilet would have done the trick to make it look like it

was a little bit nicer spot yeah you can still get i'll send maybe i'll send you a couple don't not right now i don't need you sending me the covid. Well, that's one thing. Saunas. Infrared saunas are really big right now. You can go buy them and put a little two-person sauna in your house somewhere. I have one at the house. My mom got me one. Do you like it? Yeah, I use it. I don't use it as much as I should, but I do enjoy it. I like a good infrared. That's Joe Rogan's big thing. Cooked from the inside. Yeah, people claim it helps with the COVID, which I think the science is still out on that.

You're saying no, it sounded like. I'm saying no one knows, but people claim that. I don't claim to know one way or the other. You think Jesus came out of that cave or not? I don't know. Sounds like it. Why? What do you think?

Bill Belichick talked in a press conference. He had that. I do think. I think he did. I think he came out. I mean, this is a lot. We've made a lot out of it. So I'd it did happen i mean a lot has happened reese's has made an entire career off of him potentially coming out let alone bunnies the amount of stock that went up in bunnies as soon as he came out of

there i mean i think that he came out of the cave i think it took him a little book of all time the greatest book of all the most person you're saying you're saying that the story of jesus has been hijacked by big chocolate just strictly for easter not just big chocolate big bunny too i mean rabbits weren't worth a damn other than big easter just all easter and chocolate and bunnies are have taken over there they've hijacked oh and don't even let me get into the big fat bearded man doing with his birthday i mean don't even let me they took advantage scott calvin took advantage yeah i mean some people may argue that santa claus and christmas is a little different than jesus christ whoa who who are they atheists i don't coca-cola maybe i don't know but i'm just saying oh don't

even bring those bears into it those commercials are awesome don't even bring those bears into it i won't smart a shovel face so stupid belichick belichick at a press conference talking about tom brady pretty intriguing stuff he went on to say that Castle would be a good example. We geared everything toward what would be best for him. Just like we always geared everything toward what was best for Tom to help our offense there. So I don't really see that changing with whatever quarterback we have.

And then he was asked about Tom Brady on numerous occasions because we're only about a week and a half into this new Tom Brady era, and Bill Belichick handled it in the most Bill Belichick fashion, and he can't help but respect it. It would be, of course, impossible to sum up everything Tom did in 20 years into a comment. I meant everything I said about him, and I'm sure we'll be talking about him for years and decades to come.

Just curious if you guys had a desire to bring Tom back the coming season. Yeah, I think that's, you know, a water under the bridge. It didn't surprise you at all him leaving? Again, I think we've covered all that. I think we're way past that, pal. Honestly, I think we're way past that. Belichick did not want to hear it from that guy. He said we're past it.

He knows that he's going to be asked about this any time he talks to anybody for the next few months until the season starts. So he wanted to put an end to that conversation. We're past it. Water under bridge. Let's move on. I can't say enough about how good Tom was,

which I respect, by the way, because he doesn't want to get into this game of answering everybody's question about Tom Brady, even though it is only a week old. Belichick is already done with it which I respect now let's get to the pivot point of him talking about how when Matt Castle was in we geared everything towards Matt Castle and we had a lot of success with him and then you think about what he did with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett they won three and one Bill Belichick for good reason has a lot of confidence that no matter who they have a quarterback they can build a plan around that to have success.

Now, will it be Stidham? Will they trade up and get another quarterback? I'm not sure, but it feels as if Bill Belichick is very confident going into next year. Yeah, he should be. I mean, I think he's saying all the right things that you'd expect a coach to say, but I don't think comparing this situation with Stidham coming in, if he is your next starter to Matt Castle, just a little different. Castle walked into a great situation.

They were coming off the 2008 season. They were undefeated in the regular season. Great football team all over the place. Castle steps in. He has Wes Welker to throw to. Randy Moss, who's unbelievable still at the time. Their O-line was legit. And I saw where they were the sixth-ranked

rushing offense that year in the NFL. So that, obviously, going back to what we were speaking of earlier with other quarterbacks, that helps your offense a lot and helps your team. Right now, I mean, they just need Harry, their first-round pick from last year. I know he was banged up for the first half of the season. They need him to be the stud he was at Arizona State. They need Edelman to keep playing at the high level he is. They need to find a tight end.

They have plenty of running backs that they can use in various different ways but i think it's just stacked up against stidham a little more than it was matt castle back in the day that is so interesting i completely forgot that he had randy moss on that team and what randy moss does is automatically take a safety and a corner out of whatever box that you need to have it out of i mean that is just a game changer. A little Wes Welker. Now, Julian Edelman, great football player. And I would say Julian Edelman probably going to have a better career than Wes Welker whenever it's all said and done. So I think that is a great comp there.

But you're 100% right. And Matt Castle, I think, had been around Tom Brady for a year. Not that Stidham hasn't. And I assume Brady was potentially around the building whenever that was happening, because he could probably help out a little bit. Stidham's going to be out there all by himself with Hoyer who's playing for free those are some very valid points that I have not thought of to be honest I just assume Bill Belichick can make any quarterback good McDaniels can make anybody good and that was kind of what he was saying but once you start

diving a little bit deeper into the annals of the stats and facts of the whole thing it seems like there's a much different situation happening now than there was back then. Yeah, there is. And I think he will have success. That's one thing McDaniels does so well. And Bill Belichick on the defensive side, like they take what talent they have and they're going to do whatever these guys do best. You're not going to ask them to do things that they can't do. So yeah, they'll build a great plan around Stidham if he is their guy. But I think they will have success. But my question is like, what is success for the Patriots? You can't have the same expectations you had with Tom Brady and everybody else as you do with Jared Stidham.

Dale Gribble here in the comments section says, I'm tired of hearing about the Patriots, Jesus Christ. So is the Patriots, Jesus Christ, Bill Belichick because he saved them or Tom Brady? Great question, Dale. You know the good thing he has, though, Pat, before we get to the next one? The AFC East, though, like they're not – is anyone getting much better in the AFC East?

Bills got Stephon Diggs. Yeah. I mean, they're a solid team. I still have a hard time. Dolphins got Kyle Van Noy and a corner. And Landon Roberts. Yeah, they're bringing some Patriots guys in. And they got the number five pick.

And it is alleged that they were trying to lose last year, and B-Flow and Fitzpatrick said, uh-uh, we're going to win games regardless. I think the AFC East is getting better, aside from the Jets, whatever the Jets are doing. But I think the Bills and Dolphins are getting much better, and those two teams might have been just buried for the last 20 years because of a giant that was in their division.

Maybe they'll be able to make some real plays this year. They absolutely were buried because Tom Brady was in their division division so it was always tough to to figure that out but i don't know i just can't i can't say the patriots are done and i don't know how boston connor feels if he's off the bandwagon or he's still on there i i still feel like even no matter who the quarterback is for the patriots i still have to pick them to win the AFC East, at least right now. I have – I mean, I'm on the bandwagon, but, I mean, you guys. Is anybody beating the Chiefs? Like, let's be real.

Is anybody in the AFC beating the Chiefs? That would be interesting because I played as Lamar Jackson yesterday in Madden, and he's really good at football. I mean, that guy. How'd that go? You got sandbagged. Did it happen? I got sandbagged what do you mean i got lied to who'd you play a little bow wow or something pretty much it's just bow wow now

please he's no longer a little okay um basketball is my favorite sport i like the way they dribble up and down the court i keep it... I didn't know the next line. That's sleeve head record. He's got a good sleeve on his head. He knows all the words. AJ, what do you think of that humor? What's that shirt, Connor? I like this one. It's my Elon Musk shirt, brother.

Where did you get that? I can't tell you. I'm sorry. Okay. You look great. You trimmed your facial hair a little bit. You look a little less like a terrorist and more like a guy that rides a Harley. Yeah, I just thought, what does Pistol Hawk look like in my mind?

This is what I came up with. Pistol dreams of growing chops like that. What were we talking about before that? The AFC East. dreams of growing chops like that what were we talking about before that uh i was supposed to play a couple different people and i landed on playing against a gamer so you tell me how you thought it went so did two chains not show up or he just didn't play against you two chains said true and bounced out i guess i guess is this why they you weren't allowed to really talk about it a whole lot because they didn't have confirmation from everybody?

Yeah, yeah. And I'm not 100% sure they're ever going to put it out. But I'll tell you what. I put on a performance out there. Wait, it didn't go live? I thought it was Twitch live. No, they recorded it because I think they were worried that some people still wouldn't show up.

So I think they're trying to figure out how it'll go. I enjoyed it, but I got sandbagged. I mean, I got completely sandbagged, and it was evident. What was the final score? I mean, let's not get into the stats of it all. 26-14. It was close. It was close.

It was pretty good. Dude, it was not. It was not. I mean, it was bad. I am so bad at video games, and that's going to be evident if this ever makes the air. Rush for over 100 with Lamar Jackson. Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it? Scored a touchdown on my first Jackson. Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it?

Scored a touchdown on my first play. Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it? What team was this gamer? The Patriots. And who was he? Is he a famous gamer that I should know? Pretty sexist out of you, just saying he all of a sudden.

He or she? It was a she. And she was a sandbagger. Was this like a handicap thing where you told him, It was a she And she was a sandbagger Why Was there Was this like a handicap thing Where you told him Like hey I don't really play I can't be playing

One of your top players No The only reason why I said yes Is because I thought I was playing against Lil Yachty And then Lil Yachty got pulled And they were like

You're playing against Two chains And I'm like Fucking right I'm playing A video game contest Thing against two chains Here we go And then minutes before

I was like nope You're out playing against A stud gamer all of a sudden and it's not two chains but i will let it be known i never met the person that i was playing against great conversation during the game i think people will enjoy watching it but boy the legacy of me being the worst video game player of all time is still intact very much so. It's going to stay that way, too, unless you just got to play. It's like anything else.

You need reps, and you don't have any reps. Nah, I ain't got time. I don't know how anybody plays this shit. I don't know how anybody plays it. It's too hard. It's too hard now, man. Everyone else is too good. They're so good.

I'm like 32 years behind everybody else. Because when you're a baby, you can learn new languages better. You can learn everything better. And they can learn how to control their bodies with their thumbs i i can't do it i just these things these two these are probably the italian pieces of my body 0.09 these two are the worst things i have right here i just can't i can't do it i can't do it now you guys tried to claim my foot yeah when i did the did the 23 and me, I had 0.09% Italian. The Italians in the room, DiGiglio and Moraldo, were like, oh, it's probably that foot of yours.

That's probably the 0.09%. It's just the Italians tried to take that. I think it's these thumbs. These thumbs are terrible at controlling things. Yeah. I'm the same way. That's why I stopped once everyone got so good. When I was in college, I tried a few times.

I'm like, all right, this is stupid. Everyone's unbelievable. They're all at an all- all pro level whatever game you're playing and they love it too it's like i am so bored right now how are we still playing this well you don't want to wear headphones and play online against little kids that throw like racial slurs your way well speaking of dude was fired you hear about this gone yeah i mean i'm not surprised the nascar guy yeah i don't want to say his name because i don't want to bury it, but Kyle Larson fired. I had NASCAR people coming after me, by the way. For what?

Well, because I said it's just a word you can't use if you're a Caucasian person. They're like, well, he's Japanese. He didn't say anything wrong. Get off your damn high horse, McAfee. Yeah. The one guy came after me and said it's funny you get a dui and you comment on somebody else saying the n-word it's like whoa i don't know how those i don't know how those two tied together and i didn't get a dui but yeah even if i did i don't

i still don't know how those two correlate with each other saying the worst word to ever exist he puts you in the same categories that like you you first of all if you didn't get a dui you get you get into a little bit of trouble i was just walking and he's gonna put you He puts you in the same categories. First off, you didn't get a DUI. You get into a little bit of trouble. I was just walking. And he's going to lump you in the same category as a guy that just so comfortably uses the worst racial slur he can use. Yeah. I mean, Kyle Larson, that apology, I appreciate that he took the moment

from his heart and that whole thing. Boy, it's going to be an uphill battle for that guy. It's going to be an uphill battle. that guy. It's going to be an uphill battle. Does the apology even matter there? No. If he didn't put one out, do you think people would be like, come on, man, you've got to put an apology out and put this thing behind you? I think there's probably a thought from his team like,

hey, you've got to go out and own this thing and apologize. And then his apology, everybody looked at it and was like, not good enough, get out of here, can't do it. Hey, what do you think about the PA and the league coming together and coming up with these virtual off-season programs they're going to do? And each team is required to put workout equipment in their players' houses wherever they are up to $1,500 or reimburse them $1,500 for workout stuff. That's funny because I bought some stuff from my house a couple years ago

when I was still playing for the Colts. I can just send that bill right now to the Indianapolis Colts, Jim Irsay? Yeah, you might as well. They don't have anything else going on. They'll send you the cash. Okay, so Dak Prescott said he's not doing this, right? Dak Prescott said, I'm not doing any of it. This is so interesting.

The Dak Prescott heel turn from not doing any of it this is so interesting the Dak Dak Prescott heel turn from a business standpoint is maybe my favorite nice to see you not using a torch today the the turn from him being this guy loves being a quarterback has been grossly underpaid has performed well being America's team's quarterback and all that stuff everything then he hires these agents that I guess are known for getting the most amount of money possible for their clients and now all of a sudden it's just like yo everything's a fight and by the way i respect it i respect that dak prescott's like give me my money or i'm doing nothing i i very much respect that i couldn't have done it i couldn't

i've said this numerous times i could not have looked at that franchise tag and said 33.9 million in the next eight months of my life i'm gonna get and say no to it but dac is holding off and i assume it's gonna pay off for him at some point but i love that this this entire like not not doing any of it until you motherfuckers pay me not doing any of it well i mean he he he looks around he sees all of these guys in his team getting paid before him he's like all right well pretty soon there's not gonna be enough money left for me and it got me thinking just now as we were talking about it what if something crazy happened like Dak gets traded during the draft and then they draft a guy that they really want that they think is going to be a no-brainer be the next franchise

dude wow well I've been saying for a long time long long time before anybody else Dak to the Patriots the Patriots jump up and trade for Dak during the draft. They don't have anywhere near enough money to pay him. But I've been saying for a long time, rookie contract quarterbacks with the team being built up around them is the new blueprint to success in the NFL. You saw it with Russell Wilson when he had the Legion of Boom. You saw it with the Rams whenever Jared Goff was on his rookie contract.

The only debunking theory to this is obviously the Patriots who debunk every theory. But even then, they weren't paying Tom Brady top dollar like they thought it. Every time a quarterback hits that second contract and eats up 20%, 23% of the salary cap, those teams go on to be garbage in most states. Now, if you're paying a guy that can carry a team and win by himself,

you have to pay it. And if you don't think Dak Prescott's that guy, I would say if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you don't think Dak Prescott's that guy, you can't pay him this contract and put your entire team at leverage. Now, I, just like most of the world, believe Dak Prescott has proved that he can be a guy that can win games with his arm, and he's a franchise player that you keep around for a long time.

Obviously, the Cowboys don't see it the same way way or they would have already agreed to terms with him but if they did get a younger quarterback that was cheaper and they could spend all this money around him you can keep the amari coopers for a hundred million dollars you can keep the zeke elliott's for 90 million dollars you can build up that offensive line you can pay every defender and you just bring in a rookie plug-in place quarterback i mean that seems to be a blueprint that has had success for some people in the past will it be in the future I'm not 100 sure but if they were sold on Dak Prescott being their quarterback they would have already got this deal done I I am very I'm certain of that they overpaid Amari Cooper in everybody's eyes they overpaid Zeke in everybody's eyes they've overpaid all these people and now they're

just like no we're not going to do it to Dak it's like well why not it doesn't make any sense anybody outside of the Dallas Cowboys organization including myself like yo just pay the guy get this thing done with the only thing that I can think is holding it up like and we know Jerry loves to pay his guys and Dak seems to be one of Jerry's guys that he loves like is Dak asking for way above market value? Is he asking for something that they just feel is astronomical compared to what they want? They want him to sign.

Maybe they're trying to pressure him into signing a team-friendly deal to where it looks like a big old chunk of money, but it's spread out a little bit, and after two years, the team can kind of make a decision and let him go if they don't want him. It's alleged that he wants a four-year deal. They want a five-year deal. That's been the only real open contemplation that everybody's having is Dak wants a shorter contract.

They want him to have a longer contract. That's everybody, though, especially quarterbacks. They want shorter deals. The team wants to spread out the hit over many years and give them options, too. And Dak wants to get to another contract. That's who wants to sign a four-year deal. Play well.

Oh, here we go. Let's get my third deal. I'm on, by the way, I think they should have just paid the damn guy already to just pay the guy. They should have paid him like three or four players ago. Don't you think?

Yes. Just get it over with because now the only, just like Bill Belichick ended the Tom Brady conversation. The only thing that's going to be talked about for the Dallas Cowboys is Dak Prescott. Wait until they make a draft pick and Jerry Jones gets interviewed from his house, wherever the hell he is. Maybe he's on the shitter. The only thing they're going to ask him

about is how is the Dak Prescott thing going? How's the Dak Prescott thing going? Just like all last year and he's going to say the same thing. My hands don't get cramps when I'm writing checks and I just want to win some games and donate to the Salvation Army. You think Jerry's going to say, well, you know what? We really need to get Dak in here because he's missing these valuable

virtual online OTAs and individual sessions that we are having where, like, I'm curious. The virtual classroom is going to be amazing. Some teams are going to take it way too serious. They're going to be like, okay, guys, same schedule like you're in the facility. 8 a.m. special teams 8 30 defensive meeting you guys split up and that's going to be the d coordinator and then you're going to have like a zoom room with 48 players like coach i got a question like how's that going to work there's no way it's going to have to be pre-recorded things

i would imagine they send with documents that they could try to learn their installs or whatever they're doing imagine setting up like all right 7, 7.30 a.m., special teams. Then you will all be forced to go work out, but keep your cameras on you so we can watch you while you work out in a Zoom. Strength coach will lead you through a conditioning and a warm-up and the entire thing. Then you guys get lunch, take the Zooms into your kitchen so we see what you're eating.

Then take that into your position group meeting. Then you'll have a defensive meeting, and then we'll call it a day around 3 o'clock. An entire day of work at your house while they're just watching you on Zoom. I love it. I absolutely love it. It will be amazing to see, but what's going to happen, Pat? Anybody that has played at all, it's any kind of vet,

if he realizes, like, all right, this is garbage. I'm not learning anything here. He's going to be like, all right, this is garbage. I'm not learning anything here. He's going to be like, what? Oh, cutting out. I got it. Hold on. My Wi-Fi. And he's just going to cut it off and say, I'm trying to reconnect, man.

I don't know. And then he's out on the golf course. I have a – oh, I'm going to have to reconnect. Let me – I'll get back. I got to unplug. I got to reboot my router. Oh, my God. I didn't charge it last night.

Jeez, I'm so sorry then you got those rookies just being forced and being held hostage in there for their entire livelihood you won't make the nfl you're going to join these virtual classroom sessions that aren't going to teach you a damn thing all right is this show over yeah i think it might be no the raiders have investigated options including including playing games in Salt Lake City, Phoenix, San Diego, or having no preseason games and moving early season games to away games because that Raiders stadium is probably not going to be done in Las Vegas. Everybody thought they were potentially going to go back to Oakland.

I thought that would have been the biggest slap in the mouth of the entire city of Oakland. So they're not doing that. This could be a time, by the way, you go back to Oakland. I thought that would have been the biggest slap in the mouth of the entire city of Oakland. So they're not doing that. This could be a time, by the way, you go back to San Diego. I don't know if San Diego is going to really welcome you in with open arms. But if you go to Salt Lake City, someplace that doesn't have an NFL team, maybe you could potentially get the

pop that the XFL got in St. Louis or something like that. Or maybe San Diego shows out like St. Louis did because of the Rams leaving and for the Battle Hawks coming in. I'm not 100% sure. But the Raiders are the biggest clusterfuck of an organization I've ever seen in my entire life. They're supposed to leave Oakland.

They're in Oakland for another year. They go to Las Vegas. They don't have enough money to pay Khalil Mack. They can pay somebody else more. Then they go to Vegas. They set up this entire team. Now they don't have a stadium. They've got to go bounce around to another city. mean obviously 10 years from now they had antonio

brown if i antonio brown they still end up having a pretty good season in spite of it all but it's just one of those things where 10 years from now whenever they're just playing in their stadium i hope people don't forget just how big of a wild scene this has been for the oakland raiders to leave oakland it's been like a four-year or, and we never truly know when they're going to be gone. And now a worldwide pandemic stalls the construction of their stadium. I would assume they're not working on that right now. No, I don't think so. I was driving down the street today.

There's like a 400-person construction zone. What? Did anybody tell these people that are just redoing all these roads out here that there's a quarantine happening? Nope, they're getting it in. They're trying to fix these roads now. By the way, I respect it, but it looked like those guys were spitting in each other's mouths out there.

I just don't know if that's the right move. Do we know if the Raiders, their practice facility built? Are they going to be in Vegas throughout the week no matter what? Dana White did a full pitch to Tom Brady about the training facility being ready and everything like that. i just don't think the stadium is going to be i i so why don't they're going to be in vegas what if they go to salt lake i would imagine they're going to play in the college stadium what utah is there i guess why don't they just play at unlv you know aj that would talk you you play on sundLV, if they have a home game, they play on Saturdays.

That seems to make too much sense, possibly. Too much sense. That would make a lot of sense. Why don't they do that? I know that UNLV is going to be playing at Raiders Stadium, so I don't know if they maybe got rid of UNLV Stadium. No, it's still there. Sam Boyd, yeah.

It's kind of a dump. They can't tear it down before they know they're going to be playing in the new one. Did you play in that Minnesota game whenever they were playing at – when Minnesota was building their stadium, they had that one year – College. At the Gophers Stadium? I don't think it was at the Gophers Stadium, was it? Yeah, it was.

It was the Gophers. I remember them talking about how it was negative 10 or something like that out there. It was just freezing cold in the middle of Minnesota. It was nasty. I played there. The turf was rock hard. No. And the stadium isn't – it's not like that out there. It was just freezing cold in the middle of Minnesota. It was nasty. I played there. The turf was rock hard, and the stadium isn't – it's not like a full bowl. So, you know, as a kicker and punter, the wind is brutal.

It's just a wind tunnel through that field. Yeah, I played at least one really cold game there. And you're saying no concussions still. You played on pavement for a game, but there was no concussions. I wasn't banging my head off the turf. Did you wear sleeves? No, sleeves don't help when it's negative 10.

Did you put the Vaseline on? Did you wear the Vaseline? Oh, you always try that and it doesn't work. Three minutes into warm-ups, your hands are numb and your feet feel terrible and you're frozen. But you look tough. Just try to keep your hands warm. That's all I ever tried to do. Hands a hawk. You think Tua's going to get drafted over or under the third three and a half

so if he goes three that's under correct yep that's how it works three would be under three and a half yeah who's at number three again detroit man i can see him pulling the trigger there i say under three and a half or somebody else jumps up and trades detroit gets out of that pick takes two now isaiah simmons will be there uh okuda will be there a lot of other great football players that could potentially make the lions better will be there but would they be a pick seven or eight if they were to trade out i don't know how about air bear over and under five and a half, five and a half, five Herbert,

the Justin Herbert air bear. I say over. Okay. How about Jordan love over under 19 and a half Jordan Palmer? Who's coaching him says he'll be a top 15 pick. I agree with him there. I think he's going to go under 19 as well. Those are all bets.

You can place at FanDuel right now. I believe those are the over-unders. You can make a little money if you're trying to scratch that itch of degeneracy. Try to support their business, too. There's not as many things to bet on right now for all these sites. All our big sponsors, man, are in a bad spot. I feel terrible for them. I talk to them every day.

Well, not every day. We have a lot of gambling. Well, FanDuel is your gambling sponsor, right? sea geek is our like sea geek is our ride or die in a there's no way in the business plan in the ticketing business plan do you prepare for the entire world to stop live event the entire planet will stop live events for at least two to three months in the ticketing world that's not something that you can just write in as a clause like if this happens this is what we'll do i mean it's insane now ticket masters come out and say they're not refunding anybody on postponed stuff it's it's insane it's absolute insanity yeah think of the cash flow like a ticket master seat geek had

and then all of a sudden one day it all gets cut to zero. But your expenses are still there, which is pretty much tons of businesses around the world that's happening too. But as far as live sports, when your whole business is live events, live sports, concerts, whatever, and then all of a sudden none of that happens and we don't know when that will come back, it's a scary time for a lot of people. Scary time. And there's a lot of companies asking people to take pay cuts for low-end people. I mean, this is an insane time that we'll talk about later in life.

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Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is the all-time leading scorer in Patriots history. It was either 13 or 14 years with them, depending if our math was right on his Wikipedia. Ladies and gentlemen, three-time Super Bowl champion from the University of Memphis, Stephen Gostkowski. Thank you. What's going on, man? How are you, pal? Can you guys hear me? Yeah, you sound great. Can you hear me? I can hear you. You just cut out for a second. I'm doing good, man. Just trying to escape fourth and first grade homeschooling right now.

That's smart. By the way, we'll try to eat up as much as your day as we possibly can here to conversate with you. If you need another interview in like 10, 30, 40 minutes tomorrow, you're turning guest, I'm good. I got nothing going on. Where are you? Are you up in New England?

That's where home is? Yeah, I'm in Massachusetts. I'm in Massachusetts right now just enduring the nice cold weather. It's cold over here in Indiana, too, if it means anything. We couldn't see your face there, by the way. I'm happy you are. Here we go. Well, it's either you can see me or you get a lot of noise from the kids,

so I'm just going to go out to my basement and escape and run and hide. Hey, how many years was it it 13 or 14 with the patriots i mean 14 if you count last year only playing four games so last year you ended up getting a hip surgery is that accurate in there it did do what you got a hip surgery last year yeah yeah i got it i got hip surgery uh in october okay so most kickers that kick for a long time it's their hips it It's their knees. Those are two things for me. I had three surgeries on my knees within four years, uh, for Vinatieri. Uh, whenever I got to the NFL, he had his hip surgery operated on twice. I think his knee as

well. What was happening with your hip and how long had it been hurting? Yeah. So the, I mean, like you said, you know, you do do something the same thing over and over again for a long time you're gonna feel like crap so just you know my plant leg taking a lot of uh pounding over the years just kind of started giving out on me and you know i had a torn labrum and then i had one of those hip impingements like fai so i was getting a ton of bone on bone contact so um it just if i kept playing on it and I kept doing more and more damage I'd have been looking at you know being 40 and having hip replacement and um getting done done of it getting it taken care of sooner rather than later helped prolong

my you know active lifestyle and possibly to continue playing. I mean, it's something that a lot of people have gone through. It's just I was doing a lot of damage, not getting it taken care of. And it just came to the point where it was really affecting the way I was playing and feeling. And I tried to deal with it as long as I could. And then, you know, had to bite the bullet and get the surgery. Whenever I was watching Vinatieri last year kick, it was very obvious that something was hurt on him.

Very obvious. Because his entire thing, he was squatting instead of standing tall. And any time you get a potential knife feeling stabbing in your knee whenever you go to kick, in a game, in a kicking, if you're off by that much, it's a complete miss. I don't think people appreciate that enough, that if you have something, an ailment that requires surgery. In kicking, if you're off by half an inch,

that's either a pull or a potential push. So the fact that you were able to still go out there and bomb balls, I think is very, very impressive. Well, I appreciate it. Well, I don't know, a bomb. It was easy to do the kickoffs because I could get off that leg really fast. It just, you know, trying to keep it planted in the ground to get through the ball on a field goal or an extra point is what really was hurting and i would feel very good for about 30 45 minutes but then i would sit down and five minutes later i would feel like i was like 65 years old

and i just was trying to deal with it. Everyone thinks they can push through anything and then when it starts affecting the accuracy is when you really have a concern because the pain is something you can deal with, but if it affects your job and it's hurting the team, that's when it starts to kind of become a problem for both sides. What was the conversation like with Bill whenever the decision was ultimately made to get surgery and fix it?

I didn't hear that question. What was the conversation like with Bill whenever the decision was ultimately made to get surgery and fix it? I didn't hear that question. What was the conversation like with Bill whenever you ultimately made the decision to get the surgery? Was it like a, hey, we need to do this. This is a smart idea. How did that conversation go with Bill? I'm not a big fan of talking about how things go with Bill. He probably still has eyes on me. You said a couple answers ago that if you didn't get the surgery, you'd be staring down hip replacement at 40 in your active lifestyle, and maybe you even got a chance to prolong your career by getting that surgery. What is your mindset like now? Are you in rehab still?

Are you back to being healthy? Are you kicking balls still? Yeah, I mean, I'll be close to six months post-surgery. I'm feeling pretty good. I mean, feeling the best I've felt in a while. You know, I don't have a gym to work out at now, so I just do home workouts and I go out to the high school field when no one's out there a couple times a week and kick and run and work out and just trying to stay ready for if some teams want my services. I feel good enough to play. I know that. Right now, I'm just trying to stay ready if some teams want my services. I feel good enough to play. I know that.

Right now I'm just trying to finish the rehab. I think if I was in a normal PT setting, I would have been discharged by now. So just trying to strengthen everything up so when it gets back to normal life, I can golf, play tennis. If I want to go kick in the NFL and have a chance to do that, I'll be able to do that. So I'm feeling good. I'm getting in good shape.

It's just, you know, I'm in better shape right now at this point in the year than I would be if I was just starting up with a team. So I feel pretty good about it. How are you hitting the ball? Are you hitting the ball well? Yeah, I've been kicking. I haven't done any kickoffs yet, but the field goals have been going really well. You know, I don't kick more than about 20 kicks i usually

make like 19 out of 20 is that good i don't know you tell me well i'm starting out about like 15 16 yard field goals right now no i'm just kidding i'm i'm i'm feeling good i've been doing pretty well i mean um you know you're out you're away from the game for a while. You kind of have a new mindset and a new set of focus that you have. So trying to come back from this is something that gives me motivation, and I'll try to put my best foot forward and see if some teams want me and see if I can go back out there and make kicks at a high level. Has there been any conversations with any teams, or has there been any places that you've looked

around your age and been like, Hey, why don't we see if they're interested or something like that? Yeah. I mean, obviously, uh, there's been a few feelers, but until I can, you know, fly and do a physical or do a workout, it's not going to, there are no teams going to be serious and signing me, you know, coming off injury. So, you know, there's been a few feelers. I think the most prudent thing would be to do is wait until teams get done with the draft, see what their needs are, and see, you know, if my service is obviously – Is that a dog or a child?

Yeah, I got dogs running around. Okay, I thought that was potentially your kid. I was like, damn, that's an interesting-sounding child that Gostkowski's having over there. No, I got two. There we go. French Bulldogs chasing. We don't see the Bulldog.

We only see the Lombardi. There we go. Oh, I see. Oh, nice. By the way, not a bad little centerpiece in the living room down there. Oh, thanks. Oh, which one? Which one?

The one right here. Oh! Big flags. Big flags. I got my Colts helmet, though. What's that from? What the hell is that? I think Matt Overton traded with me at one of the Pro Bowls.

Oh, just one of them? Just one of your Pro Bowls? You just had to trade a little helmet out there? Good for you. Well, you know, I got my Vinatieri jersey, you know, your boy. He's your boy, too, obviously. I don't even have one of those in my house. I mean, this is unbelievable.

How was the relationship with Vinny? Was that ever weird early whenever you – I mean, two greatest kickers of the decades uh back to back in new england one after each other i would assume when he went up there you realized that it was quite a mighty task to have to fill in those shoes and you did an incredible job with it and i know vinny's an incredibly competitive human and he won a super bowl with the colts as soon as he came here but how was that relationship with him was it ever weird or was it uh like a cool relationship it was never weird for me i mean when i lila go upstairs come on we're talking about uncle adam when i got me can you go see mommy

when i first got in the nfl oh my god she's so cute she She's ready. How are you doing? This is Lila. Say hi, Lila. I'm in my airlock nightgown. Let's go see Mommy real quick. Go see Mommy. Go tell her I love her. Lila, go grab Uncle Lombardi and throw it around. No, it was never weird for me. He was always cool and respectful.

And, you know, it'd be different if i would have come in there and like they drafted me and they cut him but he decided to leave and he made what was the best decision for him and it worked out pretty well for me and uh i think it's been a mutual respect ever since i mean everyone respects adam he's he put the kicking position on the map so yeah you can't you can't have any any ill will towards a guy that's made everyone else's job more respectable. Your time at the Patriots, you look back 14 years, 13 in these four games that you had. The only thing you've known is the Patriot way. You got dropped right in the middle of the greatest dynasty in the history of sports and had a chance to finish it for the last 14 years or whatever.

What do you think that you're going to take away from that entire journey there? Well, obviously, it was an amazing journey. You know, you don't get to pick your team. You just kind of get lucky. And, you know, with kicking and punting, you're just as good as your opportunities. And to have a ton of opportunities to play in the playoffs has been unbelievable and to be able to play in a lot of Super Bowls and AFC Championships has also been a dream come true and it's a lot more enjoyable looking back being done with it than when you're in the moment because you don't know any different you know you tend to get a

little spoiled like all right here we go go in the playoffs again and well it's exciting you know you tend to get a little spoiled like all right here we go going to the playoffs again and while it's exciting um you know it's it's almost like business as usual now looking back at it now that i'm uh you know not playing for the patriots anymore it's it's more fun to look back at it as a in a positive light like dang we really i got to play in six super bowls and we won three of them and we went uh you know 10 AFC championship games and you know you know thank God for Tom Brady and Bill Belichick that we got to all ride their coattails for as long as we could a lot of people right now are talking about who's going to be more successful without the other person and then you listen to that Tom Brady interview with Howard Stern I think those two had a tremendous amount of respect for each other and Tom Brady said

I know genuinely how Bill feels about me, so I don't care about the public perception or whatever. What was it like being around Bill Belichick on a day-to-day basis that might be different than what the rest of the world potentially perceives of him? I mean, Bill's a man. If you work hard and do your job

and don't come and make a ton of excuses and do the things that... Jesus Christ, hold on. One second. Yeah, I know. Can I mute it so I don't get sent to CDC real quick? Hey, Lila, by the way, looked like she had a great time. Did you see their hair?

Oh, yeah. Oh, Lila Gostkowski is going to be raising hell. I don't know if you can see it either, but there's a cool... Oh, there. Oh, Lila Gostkowski is going to be raising hell. I don't know if you can see it either, but there's a cool guy. Oh, there's another one. What's up, little buddy? What's his name? This is Gannon.

Say hi, Gannon. Gannon. Hi. Gannon. What's up, Gannon? How are you? Gannon the cannon. Show the muscles.

Oh! Here's going to be a kicker. Go, go, go, go. Is he named after Rich? Yeah, is that Rich Gannon? Because they don't like you until you're busy, and then they bug you. Did you name that kid after Rich Gannon or the DJ? Gannon.

Gannon. No, the evil boss of Zelda. I don't know what that is. You don't play Zelda? You don't play Zelda growing up? No, I don't stink, Steven. Come on. Original Nintendo?

Nah, I don't play video games. I play real life. What was Bill like, though? Was Bill awesome? Bill's a man. I mean, you know, very intimidating. And to this day, if I were to see him down the street, I would, you know, think twice about what I was going to say. But he's very respectful and he's hard to work for, but he gets the best out of you. He knows how to get the best out of everybody, and he's very fair, and he is what he sees. He's a lot funnier than people give him credit for. I mean, his team meetings, he has some pretty funny one-liners,

and his grumpy personality can shine a little bit and bring some laughter into everybody, but it's all business all the time. And to be able to succeed and play for a coach that demanding for that long was a surprise to me because I've not always been the easiest guy to coach, I would say, as far as I just goof off a lot. Did you have to change? Well, I just didn't really say anything for at least three to

six years. Once I felt like I might not get cut every day, then I maybe opened up and showed my personality a little bit. Vinatieriieri in year 18 1920 he acted as if he could get cut tomorrow and it was such an interesting thing and I think it was because he was undrafted free agent obviously had to go to the world league but then in New England he very much had this attitude every single day was like this could be my last day

in the league and I feel like that is why the New England Patriots have been good for so long. Everybody had that mindset, even the superstars. You listen to Tom talk. It sounds like Tom, he understands that he doesn't have to prove anything else to anybody, but it feels as if he still feels as if he has to prove something every single day. That's a great trait to have, and I think that is why the dynasty happened, honestly.

I mean, it's true. I mean, everyone has conversations with their buddies on the team, like, man, they're going to draft somebody this year. Man, this is my year. They're getting rid of me. You know, you feel that. And we've all had those conversations forever. And, you know, you got to respect that the results speak for themselves. And at some point, someone younger and better and cheaper is going to come along and take your job. And luckily, there's 32 jobs. It's tough to play for the same team for so long especially um you know a team like that that gets so much you know criticism and publicity all the time but it's uh

looking back at it i mean it's it's a wild ride and i didn't know any difference so i think uh i think you have to like being miserable a little bit to succeed there. Like you got to enjoy the misery, enjoy, uh, feeling crappy about yourself. You got to kind of like a lot of self deprecation. You got to be very good at that. Um, that's something I've always been good at, you know? So, uh, myself, I suck and I'm fat. Hold on. I want to talk about that. Do you think because you told yourself that you suck in your fat so much and you have that attitude where you gotta like you're the your hardest critic that whenever the Patriots fans started to turn a little bit there towards the end of your run here the last couple years when you started missing a couple kicks as opposed

to being the automatic Gostkowski that you had been for over a decade and they started to turn a little bit did that ever creep in at, or were you too worried about yourself? No, I mean, I've always been harder on myself than any fans could be. And, you know, fans are going to be fans. It's fine. Any boos I got I probably deserved. You know, it's fine. And for all the boos that I've gotten, I'm sure I've gotten plenty of cheers.

So it's part of the business. The fans have been, you know, 99% fair to me up here. There's only been a few instances where I feel like the fans cross the line. But, you know, you play long enough, you're going to have some ups and downs, especially at a position like mine. You know, when I miss a kick, I hate myself. So if they hate me too, then, you know, join the club. Here's a guy that probably lies in that 1%.

That guy, Masshole. Love you, Steve. Love you. Thanks, buddy. He's a diehard Patriots fan. I've watched him kind of ride the wave here for the last couple months. It's been a lot of fun. Well, there's a lot to look forward to now.

You know, new beginnings. Yeah. Well, they also could stink for the next 30 years like the Detroit Lions or Browns. I don't know about that. You think with Bill Belichick, though, regardless of what he does, you think he's a good enough coach, you've been around, he's going to be able to win games regardless? I mean, Bill's the man.

I have a hard time betting against him. I mean, the few times we played without Tom, you know, was fairly successful. So, and it's just a different mindset. And I think what coach Belichick has always been good at is playing to the strengths of the team that he has, you know, from my little opinion, sitting on the outside looking in. So I think, you know, a big advantage there. It's not like they do, you know, it's a game plan week to week kind of team. And, uh, he's going to game plan with what he has and I'm sure he'll be very successful doing it. Did you punt against us? Was that against us that you ended up punting?

Cause Ryan Allen got absolutely murdered on a high snap. Yeah, it was in the, uh, divisional round. Uh, he got, he like dislocated his ac joint or something like that and i had to punt like three or four times your first one was a bomb i remember you hitting a bomb is that i got lucky i got like it was it was nice weather besides a little bit of rain but um you know luckily i got to punt with the wind behind my back every time and i would have had a really good average if we wouldn't have punted from like the 30-yard line at the end of the game because they didn't want Brady to hold on a field goal when we were already up. So they made me punt and then I had like a 30-yard punt at the end of the game.

So I think I had him averaging like 42, but I would have averaged like 48, I think. Not too shabby. Not too shabby. I mean, 42 is terrible, but 48 would have been awesome. Well, it's just like the casino. Like every time you go to the casino for the first time you win and then you're hooked and then you never went again. So it was like that. It was like beginner's luck. I'm like, Oh shit, I could do this. Now you're all right. Yeah, I could, I could do that. Yeah, I could do this. I could punt.

Then I go out and try the next day and I hit like a 10 yard or out of bounds. So it's, it's not that easy. I just kind of got lucky. Well, you just swore in front of your children you're a terrible person, and I can't thank you enough for joining us, Steve. You're awesome. Appreciate it, man. Have me back anytime.

Well, I'll try to get you away from those kids. I can see that they're little hellions. Gannon looks like an absolute madman. Well, Gannon has probably had as much candy as you could possibly have in the past couple of days. He's living his best life right now. Hey, Jesus came out of a cave for that. So make sure you feed him for that.

Ladies and gentlemen, all pro Super Bowl champion, probably the kicker for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers next year, Stephen Gostkowski. Attaboy, Stephen! Thanks. Appreciate you guys. Hey, you're the best, dude. Good guy. Beast. He didn'tkowski. Attaboy, Steven. Thanks. Appreciate you guys. Hey, you're the best, dude. Good guy.

Beast. He didn't say no. No, I know. That was a gotcha moment. Had to do it. Had to do it. I feel like I'm not a gotcha journalist, but boy, I'll slip something in at the end just to see if we get a reaction or not.

There was no reaction because he can't give a reaction because I'm assuming that's a place that he would go if he was offered it for obvious reasons also seems very afraid of bill yeah it's interesting that bill stills got eyes on him he says so last year when he got that surgery i was texting with him in the middle of it he missed a couple kicks and i was like something's going on i'm like so i actually texted him like what's going on up there he's like i got a little bit of this going on a little bit of this going on i'm like am i allowed to say. I'm like, am I allowed to say that? Like, can I say that for you? So people get off your ass. He goes, no, please do not.

Please do not say anything. Bill will kill me. I was like, come on. Everybody is on your ass right now. He's like, please don't say anything. So then I thought I would be able to get him in this moment to say something. He was like, nah, wait until I'm done. Done.

You think Bill was in the room? Don't say it steve number one in yeah send lila in there he's about to say something joining us now is a man who's a walk-on at wisconsin don't you know, he's just signed a five-year $53.75 million deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars. From walk-on to broken-off, Pro Bowl linebacker who once led the NFL in tackles, Joe Schober. Joe Schober, that boy Joe. Thanks, guy. Thanks for having me. That's probably the best intro I've had to any radio or sports talk show I've ever been a part of.

So, congratulations. Okay! Joe! Hey, Joe! Is it the first time you've been introduced with a tag of $53.75 million in there, or have you done shows since then? No, that would be the first time, yes.

By the way, it's only going to get better from here on out once that money starts piling in. You go from walk-on at Wisconsin to this mega deal and obviously leading the NFL in tackles in 2017. What a wild journey your life has been, Joe. There's no way you could have expected this. Yeah, I mean, you go from paying to play football in college to getting paid to play in the NFL.

It's a great deal for contracts. Not bad. Was there any moments, because in college football, it's not easy. College football is not easy. There's workouts that are incredibly difficult. The schedule is rigorous. And there's a lot of scholarship players that you have enjoyed over years while watching college football and seen play in the NFL who have contemplated quitting in college football more than 10 times.

I couldn't even fathom the life of a walk on trying to earn your way through there. What was it that made you keep going? You said, I think I'm good enough to be here. I don't care how I'm going to have to do it. I'll kick down the door to play football. Yeah, I think back when I was in high school wisconsin was pretty under recruited as a state so we didn't really have a lot of guys get d1 scholarships and then when i walked on to wisconsin i mean they have a pedigree of walk-ons who have made it who've

played and contributed in college and also gone on to the nfl so there's that um standard that was set before me but like the first fall camp practice when i got on the field i mean you you've been in NFL or college football practices you can there's people who are on scholarship who are fourth year fifth year seniors I was just like these guys can't play football athletically athletically I fit in with the best of the guys on the field at practice so I think that I just wasn't strong enough didn't understand the mental aspect of the game at that point but I was confident I'd be able to get that stuff down and from that first practice on I knew I belonged it's just about working and getting an

opportunity you go to the Cleveland Browns you see a little bit of a turnover in your career over there obviously from you to Freddy Kitchens what was the conversation like in the locker room with the boys it's like hey we're at a place that has one of the best fan bases in all of football the dog pound is just a loyal active drunk bunch that is awesome i am a big fan of but there hasn't been much success on the field for whatever reason whenever there's a turnover that happens from the hue to the freddie kitchens era what was the conversation like in the locker room with you and the boys i think the i mean uh when i first first got there, Joe Thomas was still on the team. He was a good voice, a good leader.

He'd been around a long time, obviously not a lot of winning seasons, but he's a Hall of Fame. He's the first ballot Hall of Famer. So people know he does things the right way. And he was a good, steadying voice in the locker room. And I think as time's gone on, obviously with coaching turnover,

the only thing that really stays constant is the locker room, the guys who have been there. Unfortunately, Cleveland, not a lot of guys have, but guys like Christian Kirksey, Joel Batonio, some of the longest tenured guys now on the team, were great leaders, great vocal advocates in the locker room, did a very good job of connecting with people to just make sure people understand that. I mean, this is the NFL. It stands for not for long. That doesn't coaches not for long players, not for long. The guy next to you, a locker mate, not for long. You just got to put your head down and work and stay positive. Cause if we went through Owen 16, one or 15,

except for that seven, eight and one last year felt great. I could tell them. Yeah. Just keeping people's spirits up in the in the hard time so when things do turn around do get uh better um you can enjoy it last year uh you were part of a team in a situation that the football world has never seen before a man took off another man's helmet and then hit him in the head with it that is a wild thing to happen on primetime television thursday night football in the locker

room directly afterwards the team i assume freddie talked to the team i assume miles garrett was in there what was the reaction by the team whenever you guys actually got a chance to probably on your phones run it back again and see what the hell actually happened because i assume there's a little bit of a blur in the middle of those types of situations i don't know if everybody's memory is as locked in it's like what the hell just happened what was the fallout from that with the boys in the locker room and on the defensive side of the ball in particular because miles garrett was potentially up for an mvp like season he was dominant through that entire thing now you lose him now there's a lot of questions about the locker room and discipline everything like that you're a leader

on that team and i'm making a pro bowl What is the conversation you're having with everybody after that entire situation? I mean, yeah, it felt like when we walked in the locker room, like you were on a detective TV show where they walk into a morgue and you know you're going to have to tell somebody some terrible news about their family member being dead here in a little bit. You're just waiting to figure out what the punishment's going to be, what's going to be said. Obviously, you know,

it's a Thursday night game. Everybody in the country is watching it. You know it's going to be an uproar social media-wise. I mean, we beat the Steelers, which, as Cleveland is the top, them and the Ravens is the top of the list of teams to beat.

And there was no smiles in the locker room after the game. It was just sitting and everybody was wondering. Obviously, you go check your phones and see social media blowing up. And you're just kind of waiting to see what's going to happen, the ramifications of it are going to be, and you don't know. You just know they're going to be bad. So it was definitely a shock to the whole team and the whole defense because you know Miles, he got suspended for the rest of the season indefinitely.

Did you ever think Miles would do something like that? Did you ever think Miles would do something like that? It seems so out of character. I don't know anything about him just from what I've seen from afar. That seems so out of character. That had to be pretty crazy to you guys to see as well. Like that's our guy. That's not normal.

Oh yeah, for sure. It was definitely, I mean, I was, it was a pass play. So I was 30, 40 yards downfield walking back to the huddle. Oh, yeah, for sure. It was definitely, I mean, it was a pass play. So I was 30, 40 yards downfield walking back to the huddle when I saw it going down. And it was just, Miles is a great guy.

He's a great individual. He's calm. I'd probably liken it to the Andre Johnson fight with Cortland Finnegan. Oh, yeah. Andre Johnson was not known for that kind of stuff. Yeah. It's just uh something in my opinion something had to have happened i'm not gonna have any allegations of things being

said but um whether it's pushes or there's a built up from going against offensive line offense and defensive line all game hating each other taking it out on the quarterback or mason rudolph doing something who knows but my that's that's in Miles' character to do something like that without a reason. Wild scene. You stayed above it, still had an incredible season, just like you had in years past. Now you're signing on with the Jacksonville Jaguars to hopefully build something down there in Duval.

Just a couple years back, people forget, they were in the AFC Championship game against the New England Patriots, and they took a knee before half. And everybody thought that if they let Blake Bortles open that thing up, maybe they'd actually end up in the Super Bowl. A lot has changed since then. Why did you pick the Jacksonville Jaguars, aside from the money aspect of it? What is the conversation going down there,

and what are you being told by the coaches in front office and stuff like that? Yeah, I think free agency was a roller coaster, especially this year with the question marks of is it going to happen? Is it not? You have to go get physicals, but you're not allowed to fly or they're not allowed to fly to you, get physicals, sign contracts. It's totally different this year. but coach Marone on GM Caldwell wanted me to join the team they wanted there preaching a message about to me bringing in good football guys good character guys to set an example the right way in the locker room leading and speaking and then for me especially getting into play with a guy like Miles Jack another linebacker be the Mike linebacker, take over the defense, do the things I do well with setting a defense, diagnosing plays, calling out things for other people to get set,

and then letting Miles Jack just go and play football and be the animal that he is. It was a very appealing thing for me. Are you like one of those Rain Man type guys out there? No, I'm not a Rain Man guy out there. I just listen to what the offense says, and then once in a while you can figure things out and understand what they're trying to do and make plays because of it. Is there ever a time in a game where you know exactly what the other team's doing and you're trying not to let them know that you know exactly what they're doing?

Yeah, I think especially when you play against teams like the Steelers who you play the division rivals, when you get in those games, like Pittsburgh Steelers line up in a three tight end set, and everybody's tight. You know they're going to run the Le'Veon Bell zone kick, obviously. Obviously. Le'Veon Bell's gone, but they did it with James Conner. So it's like –

Obviously. It's the same exact run play that they do on third and one, fourth and one, whatever. They're always going to run that play, and it's a staple for their offense. So they just line up in that set, and you're like, it's deja vu. I've seen it before. We've played it before and within cleveland we've dominated that the last couple of years so that that's like what luke keekly was known for right luke keekly was known for knowing exactly what the other team was going to do and also known for

being this very quiet reserve guy off the field go on the field flip a switch maniac of a man who knows exactly what's going to happen that is quite a weapon to have i'd assume that a lot of teams were after you in in free agency yeah we had a good amount um i think as the price cut you know teams offered a little bit more a little more people dropped off um your teams dropped off so and there's a couple left at the end bangles and jaguars i think we're the final two um but yeah i think it's definitely a good aspect to have on the field especially when you got a lot of people like in cleveland when you got the miles garrett's and uh olivier vernon's on the end and you get run pass keys you get a check like i remember a couple years ago our one with greg williams

our d coordinator uh they would talk about pass protections all the time. I knew just the code words for every single pass protection in the NFL and just click and it was like, Miles, go. Before the snap, just have a code word to tell them just to go. Those kind of things turned into a lot of positive plays for our rushers. Yeah, I could fathom knowing exactly what the other team's going to do. That seems to be quite an advantage in a sport that you're trying to trick other people in what they're doing.

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing I always tell the young linebackers. If you just listen as a linebacker, the offensive line has to communicate to what the defensive line's doing, to where the linebackers are. Sometimes they use dummy cadence, but if they say single or duo and to a number, it's a run play. You know what they're going to do. If they say 5-0 or if the quarterback says 3-jet, 2-jet, something like that, you know it's pass protection kind of blocking,

and you can plan yourself accordingly. Obviously, sometimes things – they trick you. Some teams build in dummy calls, but for the most part, they generally hang true, and if you can just use that to your advantage, you're a step ahead. Is that why Tony Romo knows what everybody's that to your advantage, you're a step ahead. Is that why Tony Romo knows what everybody's going to do? Because he's got a little bit of this.

Yeah. I love watching games when Tony Romo's talking. He's great about identifying down safety, the numbers in the box. It's pretty simple when you actually think about it. But to do it that fast on the fly, like if there's eight guys in the box, they check, they're going to a pass, and he knows what kind of concept they're probably doing. It's great for, I think, the average NFL fan who doesn't know as much about football to kind of get an insight into everything that goes into the game. Because one of my pet peeves is seeing people say, football, there's eight minutes of action in the

whole game, because they go from the snap to the time the whistle blows. But there's so much mentally before, during, and after the snap that goes on that people don't understand um i think he does a great job of pointing stuff out like that and it's good for everyone well that's the difference between being a good and a great player right that's why the nfl is filled with great players that's why there's so many great athletes that are on the streets that aren't in the nfl because there's so much more going on it's chess at all times you got guys watching film for 10 hours a day trying to get just one little advantage and obviously you've just gobbled them all up that seems you're a little bit of a cheat code over there what did you do what was your major at wisconsin something my major i was i was a forest

science major so if i was in the nfl i'd be working in a dnr or the national forest service or something out there in the boonies i saw you send a tweet out to go fishing with one of your new teammates on jacksonville you big outdoorsy guy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Tyler Eifert down there deep sea fishing is making me jealous. I'm in Wisconsin right now staying at my in-law's house for this whole quarantine thing, me and the wife. So I was a little bit jealous to see that picture of them

and wishful thinking to be down there in Florida. You got $53 million. $53 million you're staying at the in-laws. I love that. That humility, that walk-on humility is going to million you're staying at the in-laws. I love that. That humility, that walk-on humility is going to take you to far places. Yeah, exactly. That's one way you could say it, yeah.

I couldn't even, that'd be a, I love my lady's parents, but I couldn't imagine being locked in their house for, what, a month and a half at this point. I couldn't even, I saw you benching or squatting in the middle of the living room, I think. Is that accurate? That's the basement.

I'm taking over the basement. I just got – my Rogue rack came last week, which is great. I had just little stands before that, which would wobble every time you'd rack the squat bar. But I can do everything essential pretty much, and then there's a field down the street I can go and do my running at. So it's just a little bit boring to do it by yourself day after day. What's the virtual OTAs looking like?

Have you gotten your Zoom meetings and all that stuff? Have you guys done any of that? I don't know what it is. It's just now making its way out. Everybody's saying DAC is refusing to do it. It's voluntary anyways. They're trying to do these virtual OTAs. What is that about?

Do you know anything about it? And what do you think this OTA offseason is going to look like? Yeah, I don't know much about it and what do you think this OTA offseason is going to look like yeah I don't know much about I got a Teamworks app which we have um in the NFL just they kind of send out the information through that app I just got a a form yesterday to fill out information for contact me uh so like my email and phone number and all that stuff so I think they're still in the process of figuring out what they're going to do in Jacksonville. I'd imagine a lot of Zoom meetings, like linebacker meetings with the coaches going over installs and stuff. I have no idea. They said workouts and stuff in there.

I don't know if they're going to want us to be FaceTiming in workouts or just logging it on the Internet or something. I don't know how they're going to try to track that, but it's going to be interesting. It's the first time this has ever happened and i mean i don't anticipate my schedule and stuff changing too much but we'll have to see here i think it's supposed to start next monday i think how comfortable with that defense are you do you already understand it basically or is it going to take a little bit for you to kind of get as comfortable as you were in cleveland obviously um i i don't know the exact terminology they use because every defense has different – they have different words for the same thing.

You just basically have to learn a new language. So coming in, you always just have to kind of get that down. But in the NFL, after you've been in it for a little while, all defenses – there's only so many ways you can play cover three. There's only so many ways you can run a fire zone or a zone pressure or a man-to-man coverage. You have to figure out uh what the coaching staff is calling it and then you work that in there are you worried you're gonna get bored are you are you worried you're gonna get bored are you worried you're gonna get bored i'm already bored yeah just give

me something else to do stimulate the mind a little bit more yeah i would feel like once you figure out philip rivers offense here with the colts deshaun watson over there and texas now granted they might trade away their entire offense at some point nobody knows about that and then the tennessee titans after last year have you looked into the afc south now and understand that og philip rivers is coming in with a couple weapons with the colts deshaun watson and the texans made a great run last year until they ran into buzzsaw that's the chiefs. And then the Tannehill, they also ran into Buzzsaw that's the Chiefs. They got their – not their entire team, but a lot of their pieces back.

Have you looked at the lay of the land of the AFC South? Yeah, I've looked at it a little bit. And with the Browns, we played the Titans three out of the four years I think I was there. And then we played the Texans two or three years as well. We played against Phillip Rivers, I think, twice. So I've played against a lot of these teams before and the guys. I mean, Phillip Rivers, two years ago when we played him,

he's one of the guys, he's like the Luke Keekly of the offense. He knows what you're doing. A lot of quarterbacks will know what you're doing and then in their head make their checks or make their checks to the team and do it. Phillip Rivers will know what you're doing. He in their head make their checks or make their checks to the team and do it. Phillip Rivers will know what you're doing. He'll be like to all those guys on offense, all right, they're in man coverage. We're good.

And then snap the ball, run the play, beat your man coverage, and then just kind of laugh about it afterwards. He did that all game long. It was so annoying. We were trying to disguise everything, and it just didn't work, and he's just calling it out. I remember leaving that game, like, man, Phillip Rivers is a Hall of Fame player.

I don't care what anybody says. He doesn't have any championships. That guy knows his stuff, and he's just so cocky about it on the field. It's great. It's great to be a part of that kind of stuff. I love that type of stuff. And they picked Phillip Rivers over Tom Brady here in Indianapolis. I don't know why.

I guess that could be a reason. Joe, good luck down there in Duval. Good luck staying active and not getting too bored during this quarantine. And I appreciate your time, brother. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. No problem, ladies and gentlemen. Wealthy, intelligent, linebacker for the Jaguars, Joe Shover.

That's my boy, Joe. That's my boy, Joe. Hey, did you play hockey growing up in Wisconsin? Nah, basketball, baseball, track, and football. What did you do in track? You threw stuff. High jump. Really?

Yeah. You used to do the Fosbury flop or whatever. What is it called? Yeah, Fosbury flop. That was me. Six foot six? Yeah. Is that good?

I don't know if that's good. That seems good. He said it's good. This guy's smarter than I am. I don't know. Yeah. The winner at don't know. That seems good. He said it's good. This guy's smarter than I am. I don't know. Yeah. The winner at our state high school did seven feet, though, so I wasn't close to him. You'll get seven someday, ladies and gentlemen.

Joe Sharper, we appreciate you, buddy. Go, Joe! Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen. From all of us to all of you, please stay safe. And remember, COVID-19 is a bitch. All right, Ty, please play some independent music. Bye. ស្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រូវតែលាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ Bye.