The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 193 - The Most Interesting Man In Sports, Andrew Brandt Stops By For A Chat. Also, Brandon Flowers and Legend, AJ Hawk. Draft Recap & Last Dance Talk. Let's Go.

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

On today's show, Pat sits down with the most interesting man in sports, Andrew Brandt, who was the Vice President of Finance for the Green Bay Packers and formerly an agent working with David Falk, and who represented several NFL stars. Pat and Andrew chat about his career path and what made him want to get into the business, he chats about repping Adam Vinatieri and how he nearly got him to the Packers, David Falk's involvement in creating the Air Jordan moniker, and why the Packers drafting Aaron Rodgers when he was in charge is much different than what they did this year with Jordan Love (00:00:42-13:43). Also included is another segment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk, where Pat and AJ recap this year's draft and still try to make sense of what the Packers are doing, and why it seems like they're moving in the wrong direction. They also discuss episodes 3 & 4 of The Last Dance and how much differently things would be if they were to happen today, and discuss what it was like on their respective team planes after wins in the NFL (16:11-1:34:55). Later, Pro Bowler, former cornerback for the Chiefs and Chargers, and friend of the show, Brandon Flowers joins the program. Pat and Brandon discuss the NFL Draft and which teams he thinks got better over the weekend and which teams left him scratching his head, what he thinks about Cam Newton playing for the New England Patriots, why Bill Belichick drafted players become dominant within his system, and what he thinks the Chargers are ultimately going to do at Quarterback (1:36:51-1:46:27). Today's show is a good one. Don't forget to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat with a picture of where you're listening to the show for the chance to win some free merch. Stay safe out there and thank you for rocking with us. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello hello it is tuesday april 28th and ufos exist we've been known that but the pentagon actually released three videos of ufos just roaming the skies in our air force or navy or whoever's up there just caught them wild time to be alive just write it down i would suggest maybe a diary at night just write down some shit that you learned throughout this entire thing. Because in like five to ten years, we'll look back on this and say, wow. Can't believe I survived that. Anyways, I think you'll be able to survive today's show pretty well. It's a good one.

Good conversation. Good chitter chatter. Okay? Good chitter chatter. Let's get to it, boys. Being joined by a man who I think might be the most interesting person in sports he's tied back to david falk who was michael jordan's agent who i sat next to courtside for the indiana pacers games he uh pointed at my shoe and said i created those which is interesting andrew brant said that

this was the first time uh an athlete had a national endorsement deal and he was there alongside david falk doing that then he moved into like an executive role for the Packers where he negotiated a deal for Aaron Rogers now he's the executive vice president of VaynerSports he has a podcast he's on the ESPN this guy is one of the most interesting people I've ever encountered didn't know he existed until what last night ladies and gentlemen Andrew Brandt Andrew you're a stud Hey, you know Now Pat McAfee knows who I am So I may be Getting a little more Q

Getting a little more Q rating And one of the other things I've done Which you didn't mention I was the first agent for someone named Adam Vinatieri So I'll tell you how old Adam and I are I represented Adam From 1996 to 1999.

I left the business to go to the Packers in 99, and Adam played, what, 20-something more years. I mean, it was just amazing, that guy, as you know. What year did Vinatieri leave the Patriots? Were you there for that transition? No, I was at the Packers. He came to me, and I said, Adam, you're just using me to get more money out of the Patriots.

I brought him in as a free agent. We needed a kicker in Green Bay. Adam was interested. It was real. He wanted to leave the Patriots. And then, you know, I was negotiating with him, and he called me. He goes, Andrew, dome, dome. I'm like, what?

He said, Napoleon called, dome. I got to go. And I get it. gotta go and i get it you know that adds you know better than anyone that adds years to his career going in a dome so i couldn't get him in green bay but you know i thought about it with tom brady this year he wanted out i mean adam wanted out he wanted to leave new england everyone thinks you know you stay there forever it's the greatest place but that was eye-opening to me back in 2006, I think it was. I think Vinatieri got franchise tagged two or three times before he was finally able to go. So I think he was at the point where he wanted a long-term big deal. And I think he also wanted a little massage from somebody too. Like, hey, we want you here, just like Tom Brady

wanted to be recruited and things like that. Let's move forward here. Because reading up on you and David Falk's relationship, that is something that's majestic. That is a guy who was a real trailblazer in the agency business. Did you just come out of college and want to be an agent or want to be a business? How did you get into this career path that you're currently in? Yeah, Pat, I was a tennis player growing up in Washington, D.C., and went across country to Stanford. And, you know, I didn't really play there.

You know, I was like on the G team at Stanford. So many good players. But I came back to law school back home in Georgetown. And lucky for me, you know, everybody asked me, how do you get into sports? Big firm down the street called ProServe. And my hook, everybody needs a hook to get into this business, was I was a tennis player. They represent a lot of tennis players. I said, hey, take a chance on me. I can get you in front of some Stanford tennis players. That was my hook in law school at Georgetown. And then I

looked down the hall and I see, hey, this is this guy, David Falk. He's got Patrick Ewing, Lonzo Mourning. He signs Michael Jordan jordan and i'm like hey can i leave tennis and go work for that guy and and sure enough he needed help so i go work for david and what an experience this was as you referenced you know being around the michael's story in his early years this was like 87 i left there in 92 so this was like you. I left there in 92. So this was like, you know, Michael Jordan was not the phenomenon. He was, you know, going into the 90s. So as I, as you mentioned, we could get some Chicagoland Chevy deals. We did a Chicago McDonald's deal, but trying to get a national deal, you know, there was, there were no black athletes doing national deals I mean maybe Walter Payton maybe dr. J so it was a struggle early on before of

course the Nike thing took off how do you guys get in the room because I would assume a lot of this is okay we just got to get we just got to get in the room to have this conversation once we get there I assume you'll be able to sell MJ but how are you able to get in the room and things like that? Well, on the bigger deals, you know, he had to perform and show the metrics on the business side. Like I said, with the Chicago deals, what was he doing for Chevrolet uptick in Chicago for McDonald's uptick? And that was palpable because this was an exhilarating player like we'd never seen before. So then we go to McDonald's nationally.

Then we go to Coca-Cola nationally. Then we start doing those deals. And then, of course, his star rose in the NBA. But I just remember it not being the easiest thing right away. And then, of course, the Nike deal. And David, there's a whole slew of people claiming credit for Eric Jordan. Who was it? He was definitely part of it,

but I'm sure the Nike people feel like it was their brainchild as well. Oh, what you just said right there was interesting. I was trying to read what you were just saying there. I'm sure they, so it was a group effort. You're saying Nike and David. Group effort, but David, yes. No, don't get me wrong. David was a big part of it.

But if you talk to people in Portland, Oregon, they're going to say, hey, that was our idea, Air Jordan. So I'm on David's side for that. Well, a master class in business these days is trying to make somebody else think that it was their idea. That's a master class in business. So that's something you probably learned rather early. How did you then transition from that, being in this basketball,

being with the biggest agent in basketball, still representing clients to this day, by the way? I texted him the other day for the first time after getting his phone number. He said, oh, I got a guy in Indiana still. How did you transition from that into becoming an NFL front office guy? It's a long story, but I'll pack it in pretty quick. Perfect. You mentioned basketball.

I saw David having that, you know, so invested in Michael in the NBA. What I saw was, hey, there's an opportunity in football for me at ProServe. Started representing the guys we had, one of which was Boomer Esiason, Frank Reich, the Maryland guys. And we're like, okay, I got a football practice. the Maryland guys and we're like okay I got a football practice then in 91 I'm doing a contract with Mike Lynn of the Minnesota Vikings he looks me up and down he says you speak Barcelona I said what is that Spanish he said yeah turned out it wasn't we're starting to NFL Europe would you like to be one of our first general managers and I didn't really want to leave representing players, but I'm like, okay.

So I was the first general manager of the Barcelona Dragons for two years. We, you know, fans cheered at the wrong times. They did the wave the entire game long. We had to bribe customs to get our equipment out. I mean, they didn't cheer at the touchdowns. They cheered at the extra points. It was quite an experience doing that. And then NFL Europe suspended, came back later without Barcelona,

and I went back into the agent business. At that time, I went up to Boston. I was working for Bob Wolf Associates. That's where I worked with Adam. I worked with Matt Hasselbeck. And I even got a client named Ricky Williams until he left me for Master P. And once he left me for Master P, the exact same time, I get a call from the Green Bay Packers. Mike Holmgren just went to Seattle. He took the guy that ran the business. Would you like to switch sides? So there it is. I moved to Green Bay, Wisconsin

for ten years and I think a lot of people know what a coach does, what a scout does. Someone like me is kind of in the middle. You know, it's like I'm the voice of caution to the football side that wants to go sign this guy, this guy, this guy. And I'm the voice of aggression to the business side, which sometimes wants to be, okay, we're not doing that for another year or two. And we don't, as everyone knows, we didn't have an owner in Green Bay. So it was kind of this flashpoint between the two sides, which of course coalesced, you know, when we took Aaron 15 years ago. Aaron Rodgers, whenever you guys drafted him in the first round after he slid down from being the number one overall prospect Alex Smith gets drafted he drops all

the way down you guys sign him it was obviously an interesting situation Brett Favre had already hinted at retirement at that point but it was another three years that Aaron sat there and then it gets in and obviously becomes his superstar the Green Bay Packers this weekend did not win over any more of their fans at all. Drafting Jordan Love with four years left on Aaron Rodgers' contract as a man who's negotiated contracts and been in that type of situation, especially for the Green Bay Packers, makes sense of that. Does it make any sense to you? For me, I think it's a stupid idea. Well, Pat, let's talk about 15 years ago because I was in the middle. So two things happened that night. Number one, all the guys we rated first round except one, gone. We wanted DeMarcus Ware, bad, gone.

We wanted Marcus Spears, bad, gone, both with Dallas. We wanted Derek Johnson, linebacker, gone with Kansas City. Second thing happening is no one's taking Rodgers. So here we are, and we look up on the board a couple picks away, and we're like, oh my God, there's only one name. And he plays the same position as the most durable quarterback in the history of sports, in the history. So now I got the coaches pulling me like, Andrew, no way. We can't do this. We can't take a player that won't help us this year, next year, who knows, whatever. And then on the management side, Ted Thompson's like, hey, what do we always say? Trust the board. Trust the board.

And the board is telling us that's the guy. And then we have this back and forth, then we get on the clock, then I get Aaron on the phone. In in 12 minutes i keep him on the phone in case that phone rang with a good offer the phone never rang and we took him and brett was livid and brett's agent was livid and our fans booed and everyone hated it and here we are now flash forward 15 years to the day. I'm obviously not part of that. But this is different, Pat, because in 2005, Aaron fell in our lap. In 2020, they made an affirmative step to go get that guy. And the only thing I can say from their point of view is this. One, trust the board. And they said that guy will never get them after the after this pick go get them and number two the the packers fans in front office are the most spoiled group in the

history of sports we we have had a franchise quarterback for 30 years and their goal is to have a franchise quarterback for 45 years and if that's the strategy, okay, this is the guy, just like Brett, just like Aaron, this is the next guy. But I understand the criticism because this is different. Coach and general manager are all in on this pick. You saw Matt LaFleur all smiles. So we're going to have a rubber meets the road moment because Aaron's got four years left. This kid's going to be signed for five years, and it's no longer sit a guy for three years like Aaron. Do I think he'll replace Aaron this year? No. Do I think he'll replace Aaron next year? No, but I think we're looking at a reckoning point kind of 2022 because you don't sit guys three

years. Aaron was kind of an anomaly since then everybody's played except mahomes sat one year everybody goes in so it sets up a difficult situation they're going to say all the right things aaron's going to say the right things but it's going to be difficult aaron is going to be judged for everything he says he always has been even since day one of the draft and his contract is set up that the next two years is basically where all the money is. After that, it's a free reign. If Matt LaFleur is trying to reshape this offense

into the offense he wants in the future, like he had with Marcus Mariota, I guess it makes sense. But they were in the NFC Championship last year, Andrew. They were in the NFC Championship. You maybe plug up a couple holes on the defense, maybe get them a weapon, maybe get to the top, but I don't know.

Andrew, it has been an honor getting to learn about you, sir sir and I hope I get a chance to talk to you again likewise Pat stay safe good to talk hey great to talk to you too good Green Bay Packers here that's going to be needed I think the next couple months Andrew Brandt thank you man thank you hey he was awesome yeah he was really awesome stuff he said, that was a little bit different. Aaron fell into our lap. He was also the number one overall guy. We traded up for this guy. Trust the board.

Trust the board. Hey, that guy's one of the most interesting humans I've ever heard in my life. Still rocking the tennis look. And by the way, check the watch. You hit the tennis ball out. Today's show is brought to you by Nextdoor. Nextdoor is the hub for everything happening in your neighborhood. For instance, on Nextdoor, I'll be able to get into the neighborhood that's on one side of me here and the other side of me, see what damage happened.

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a great app you know not a lot of people just out there especially now you can't go outside and talk to everybody get the next door app see what's going on what's cooking in the neighborhood maybe a block party's coming around huh on the other side of this whole thing you never know shout out to the next door app what the hell is that sound i think that's aj thanks mr hawk what are you doing over there that is aj hawk to my left aj what do you got going on over there pal oh nothing just just taking care of some rappers and trash and such. You called me early. I'm so used to starting. You call me after 1 o'clock. You call me at like 1258, so it's good. It's good to see you're punctual, Pat. I apologize. I'm not that punctual of a human if it doesn't matter like it doesn't on YouTube, but I apologize for hitting you up early. Is that from our first round draft party? What?

All of the rappers and piss bottles and things of that nature no i i clean up everything as i go but no i was just i unwrapping a few for some reason they send cigars in plastic wrapping i just i don't like it oh that's probably to keep them fresh if i had to guess i guess you didn't piss once that first round it was four and a half hours we were alive you did not pee one time i had to get up and leave actually i think two hours into the thing i had to go pee you and jordan palmer had an electric conversation just an electrifying conversation and while i was stop right there with your stupid sarcasm. We all understand what you're saying. Well, no, no, no.

I was talking about the electrifying conversation that I got to listen to while I was taking a piss in the bathroom right over here. I had my ears in, so I could still hear you even though I was a little bit of a way. So, I mean, but you didn't piss one time, not one time. Those are the people that hang out in the pool all day. When you're on vacation, they don't get out one time.

It's like, oh, they're just pissing on everybody. And then you realize yourself, would I rather walk a quarter mile to go to the bathroom? Would I rather walk into the ocean where I could potentially get attacked? Or do I just walk in this piss pool that everybody else has been pissing in and then I do it? And I think I need to know how you handled a four and a half hour show without peeing one time. Well, I just, I rise to the moment, Pat. I knew it was going to be, there was a big buildup the week leading up to the draft. I was excited.

So I wanted to be here for all the people that tune in and watch the show. You know, there are some people who like playing the way they drink for games and shows and stuff like that. Commentators. Legit. I want to let you know, I've seen it. I've heard it. Michael Cole, WWE. They got like a, commentators. Legit. I want to let you know, I've seen it, I've heard it. Michael Cole, WWE. They got like a WrestleMania for seven hours or whatever.

They have a three-hour show. He told me, like, oh, you got a plan when you're drinking the water. So I was like, really? Because I would just house water right up until we get on the air, and then I'll have to piss every single TV timeout. Thursday night, those Thursday nights, I was sprinting to bathrooms on the other side of the, like whatever the media thing is.

Every single TV break. I have a small bladder. But I think you pee into those urinated bottles. I think you do. No, I can kind of turn it on and turn it off when I know I'm going to be able to go. For four and a half hours, you can turn off your bladder? I did. I was so invested into the show and into the draft.

I was just, like, I was in the lab. I was just going around trying to figure out what these teams are doing all right let's recap what the teams did do I said this earlier today and a couple people came after me and I feel like a lot of people probably agreed with me I think with the draft you can get better or you could stay the same I didn't know that you could get worse and I I think the Packers got worse. I think the Green Bay Packers somehow, in the middle of a quarantine, in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, made their team worse, and let me tell you why. I don't think it's because Jordan Love isn't a talented player, and this isn't because of Jordan Love.

It was just a wasted pick for their team right there. Not only did they trade up and lose a fourth rounder, it was a wasted pick to a team that was one game away from the Super Bowl last year. Then they get a running back. They already have two good running backs. Then they get an offensive line. Good. Like that move. But there's no real pick that makes them better. There's no real pick that takes them to the Super Bowl next year. They didn't even address the defense, which gave up 300 yards rushing. But what they did do, I would assume, and this is just me. I have not talked to the man but if i am me they do that to me and i i know there's only a couple years left and i'm like come on man like let's

try to win right now i'd be fucking pissed so the only thing they did this weekend was figure out a way to piss off the franchise quarterback and i think that is why they didn't get better they didn't even stay the same like 99.99 of teams here, I don't think anybody gets better or worse or gets better or maintained. They got worse, I think. Am I wrong in thinking that? We overreacted. No, we didn't. It's even worse here four days later.

It's an even worse pick now after seeing the rest of their plans. It was like they really didn't do anything. And I think this is going to be tough for LeFleur to figure out here. Four years they got with Aaron Steele. Four more years. Yeah, I mean, it's a weird argument to say, did you get better or did you get worse? Now, you could say, oh, hey, we may have not gotten better in the present day right now for our team this upcoming year, but did we do things to get better in the future?

Yeah, maybe. We don't know. That's still a wild card. Who knows? We don't know what Jordan Love is going to be. But I think the message that you put across, whether you wanted that message out there or not, it makes it look like the Packers are trying to rebuild

and have a rebuilding process. I'm like, hey, you know they went to the NFC Championship game, right? They were one game away from the Super Bowl. They had a trade-up from 30. When you're picked 30, by the way, things went well last year. Like, that's what that means. I just, none of it makes sense to me. Well, the rest of the draft is what confused you, didn't it?

They took a running back from Boston College, which, yeah, good power back, but now they said they have a three-headed monster in the backfield. Okay. Who wants to split those reps? That's what I was about to say. You know who loves have a three-headed monster in the backfield okay you know what's to split those reps that's what i was about to say you know who loves having a three-headed backfield the other running backs love it you know every running back i've talked to they're like listen if you can give me less reps per game so i can't figure out the game flow that'd be much better for my running style just take him out of my now granted i understand you're gonna have to have at least two running backs in the nfl because there's a lot of shots and you need to give a guy a blow every once in a while

i understand that but a three-headed monster just on video games it might work on paper it might seem like it works but i think every great running back that you've ever talked to or ever heard of is like yeah i'd kind of get in the flow of the game to see where the things were going and stuff like that's just something that happens that's the difference between video games and humans none of it makes it it's obviously the floor and trying to prepare for the future but it's like you have the you have the present right you have a guy you have a guy everybody wishes they had a guy you have a guy and now you're like man fuck it let's move forward uh three years from now when everybody else in the nfl is going to be doing the exact same thing we're going to be doing because Lamar Jackson is going to make Stooges think

that that's just easy to do if you get the right people in there. And I guess Tannehill had success, but Derrick Henry is an anomaly of somebody in the backfield. So if you just think you're going to be able to copy those offenses and have the same amount of success while everybody else is getting used to that style of offense and you're getting a knockoff version, no Jordan Love but kind of offensive I guess you are not Lamar Jackson if you were maybe he is maybe he is maybe they think he's Lamar Jackson and that's

why they didn't think next year as the same style of offenses are in college still they might be able to find a guy that they didn't think that they'd be able to find a guy they like more than love the year after that they didn't think there'd be another guy who's maybe a redshirt sophomore right now that we don't even know about. AJ just hung up there? Yes, he did. See you later, he said. AJ. Hey, geez.

You think he didn't like your take? Yeah. So you're just upset about the Packers? I thought I was really going there. Yeah, he's upset about the Packers. Yeah, that's what it is. He's just sad about the whole thing. Yeah.

He just couldn't take it anymore. Which, by the way, makes sense because I almost got into a fight in the car the next morning after they took Jordan Luff. He's back. I'm back. What happened? Well, your connection was a bit weird, so I thought for the viewers, if I dropped off and we reconnected, maybe it would be a better connection.

Oh, you were fine over here. I know you were not fine over here. Yeah, but I think ours is probably the one that's going out. I know. That's why I didn't want to hang up the whole call. I didn't want you to hang up. I thought maybe this will help it out. And now you're much clearer right now.

Oh, I respect it. Here we go. We were lagging this morning, too. I don't know what you know. It's those damn 5G towers. It's those 5G towers trying to take us down we got somebody drilling into our roof right now for the next couple days do you think they're putting in the tower i hope that'd be very nice if they're putting in a tower by the way there's a hypothetical would you sacrifice

the internet in this office for 40 yeah i would no offense but to get this internet a lot better than what it is absolutely oh yeah we take that 10 times out of 10. 10 times out of 10. Anyways, they thought they couldn't find another Jordan Love in the next couple years to figure out the future of the offense. They must have loved Jordan Love so damn much. Matt LaFleur had to love him so much, it feels like. It feels that way.

The question is, okay, best case scenario to see what Jordan Love is, if he could potentially be the next franchise QB in Green Bay. What best case scenario for them? Two, three years down the road. I mean, Aaron's still under contract. You have to find a way. I don't get it. If Aaron's still playing at a super high level, which I would expect him to do that. All right.

We got to pay a guy. We're going to we're going to have to go to a second contract jordan love before we've really seen what he can do on the field jordan love is not in a good position either by even if he's the next patrick mahomes this is not a great position to be in because i guess he could see a c playing time though if aaron gets hurt which i guess is a viable thing to think about if you're a super pessimistic person uh the buccaneers didn't do that the saints signed jamis winston but they didn't use their first round draft pick on it i mean there's a lot of i guess there is if you want to be a president well if he gets hurt it's a big problem

i can understand that but man you're all you did was piss off your guy that's not a good thing to do speaking of piss off your guy isaiah thomas did you see that last night? Michael Jordan still hates him to this day, and I respect that so much. I respect that so, so much. What were your thoughts on Episode 3 and 4 of The Last Dance? I thought it was good. People were definitely excited to see them show the Pistons-Bulls rivalry, and then we got to see how the Bulls kind of overtook them and became the next hot thing.

It's cool, man. I like it. I like the whole documentary series. We're four parts through of 10, so there's six more? Yeah. Quick math, 40% of the way through this thing. Bingo. You know what I mean?

I mean, Dennis Rodman stole the show, obviously. Going to Vegas mid-season. He needed a vacation. I need a vacation. You know what? I want some more details, though. So then Jordan pops on and says, well, yeah, of course he wasn't on time. So Jordan has to go to Vegas, get him out of his hotel room.

Where was the team during all of this? They were probably traveling for a game or something. I would assume that was in between games. Carmen Electra says she had to go hide in the hotel room when mj showed up i imagine like him being a dad walking in there knocking off the drinks and whatever drugs are there they said he grabbed him by his nose ring and told him to get that up i guess and then took him back i guess the story is just legendary could you imagine if any of the you saw last night happened in the modern world if any any, any, just any part of it,

Jerry Cross getting loose up on the plane up there, if people knew that was happening, if Dennis Rodman walks out after a game on a Miller Lite, heading to a vacation, hops on his Harley, could you imagine if that happened these days? What if Michael Jordan just got his ass kicked by the Pistons? Could you imagine? What about missing a free throw?

If any of this shit happened modern day, it would be catastrophic. It would be huge out of the middle of nowhere. But Dennis Rodman taking a vacation to Vegas in the middle of a sixth championship run is absolutely insanity and absolutely fantastic that he pulled it off, made it happen.

And I don't want no spoilers because, I mean, they jump forward and then know spoilers because i mean they jump forward and they jump back and then they jump forward and then they jump back which i enjoyed the first week hated last night absolutely hated but anyways they're gonna win this and he came back in better shape than everybody else i guess good rodman just a specimen dude just a specimen and isn't it impressive how phil jackson kind of massages his relationship with Dennis? He can be the parental type. He's hard on him, makes sure he does his job and does everything. But then he takes himself out of the equation.

He's like, hey, Dennis is like a free spirit, man. We've got to let him go. What is the whole thing? If you love someone, you've got to let them go to come back to you. It's kind of like Dennis was going crazy, man. He needed some time. I wanted to get into more detail about Jordan. I wish they would have said, so, Mike, tell me,

did you hit the tables at all before you went? We know Michael loves to play some cards. While you were waiting for Rodman, okay, to pack up all his shit upstairs and move Carmen Electra out and whatever, did you go downstairs and, like, I don't know, throw around $150,000, $200,000 on a card table or what? How fast do you think Jordan volunteered volunteered to go to vegas to get him yeah he probably went the night before i'll go get him when do we need him two days from now 48 hours i'll be out there for at least 60 of those 80 hours he'll end up staying good for um good for the whole i mean i'm really

enjoying this documentary a lot i feel like i'm learning so much. First week, I thought, I was like, you know what? I don't respect Jordan enough in his game, which I don't think I ever did, by the way. He was doing shit that people had never seen before. So that first impression of humans seeing somebody float through the sky and double pump and all that stuff was something I don't think a lot of people have seen before. So I can respect the, like, yo, this guy's a completely different animal. But then I started respecting his competitive drive and his leadership and the whole thing he said he was going to look horrible i don't think that's the case at all i do i i was interesting to see him miss a free throw to win a game or tie up a game in the eastern conference finals but i think he i think unless he's last 60 he comes

out to be a real dick i don't know how he's going to come off looking terrible well do you think how do you think he looks when he's sitting down in his awesome house drinking whatever kind of whiskey, bourbon, I don't know what he's drinking, and he has a cigar the whole time? Aren't you always trying to figure out how many times he refilled that glass? Oh, yeah. And how far along are we? And did they ask that question earlier?

I'm using that thing as like a minute glass almost next to him trying to see what the hell is going on. Like the sands of an hourglass so is the whiskey for jordan what was fun was watching them they were partying after they won the eastern conference final so they were what four or five days away from starting the nba finals and there i thought they i thought this was footage from after they won the championship but no this was just to get to the championship and jerry kraus was dancing on the plane it was it's pretty uh enlightening documentary yeah but aj you know you know just like i know those plane rides home after wins are awesome i couldn't even imagine if it was beating the pistons for the first time after losing to him

three times and getting your ass kicked that plane plane ride home, it was. It was absolutely electric. Even Jerry Krause was out there having a good time. That thing would have been upside down. I assume Packers planes were the same exact way. Man, our planes used to be awesome. Not even close. Not even one-fiftieth of what that looked like. No, are you kidding me?

Really? Well, first off, they served booze back then. They couldn't serve booze on the planes when I was oh my you missed it you can sneak i know you guys can sneak it on oh you missed it oh my god those are the best times ever yeah oh man i feel so bad for you yep i don't know if you're being serious or not. I'm dead serious. No, they were very strict about things. Oh, my God. They used to. I used to talk to the trainers back, I don't know, probably early 90s.

The trainers would tell me everyone got like three beers. You'd have like a little sack lunch that had three beers in your seat. So I would talk to the trainers. They're like, oh, it's great because, you know, a lot of guys didn't want it. They don't drink or they don't drink beer. So I could stockpile 40 beers for one flight home like the trainers and whoever else wanted it i literally had to bring a cartoon size bottle of crown royal every single trip that was just my i had to bring that in beer i literally had to um mule in a lot of stuff

in my bag and everything like that like i had that was a job of mine the security people let it happen though there was a couple times where they'd see it and i go oh i didn't put that and then they would just shut it thank you and then i would go in green bay though we went through the main airport oh you go through the main security you don't have some back door is that still happening right now i believe so so not only is this motherfucker drafting my replacement for you with four years left on my deal after we make the nfc championship they can't even have a good time on plane oh they need an owner oh my you need an owner need an owner over there they need at least one person on top say hey we are missing out on those

plane rides home used to be awesome now granted, granted, the next generation, like the more recent one closer to my retirement, they weren't as, you know, popping off. But the OGs, you know, the athletic trainers, the equipment managers, the people that had been around from the first regime, I mean, we tried our best to hold on to the good times there. But, man, those original flights there, my first three years, a road win meant like it was club in the sky coming home and it was a blast it was an absolute card games happening everywhere dice was being played a lot of booze every music playing over the thing i mean it was it was awesome it was it was like it was almost like everybody was like

this is what we work our asses off for, is for this trip home. And then immediately afterwards, it was like, all right, now it's done. People had a bunch of drivers lined up as soon as – I mean, it was – I can't believe you didn't get to experience that. That is a real shame. That is a damn shame. Yeah, it is. Guys would – obviously, guys could find a way at times to sneak a bottle in or something, but it was never like a whole group effort.

No one could ever get enough stuff on for that to happen it just wasn't like we had a good time it was fun guys are gambling there's bluetooth speakers and everything but no it was nothing like what you're talking about oh my god karaoke here and there even oh we had we had we had karaoke on the thing guy almost got i mean guy almost got cut i mean i, I think he did, actually. For what? Well, it was like one of the first times that Mr. Hersey's daughter flew on our team plane. So it was the new regime. And we were getting a little loose. Made a rookie do karaoke.

Big offensive lineman. He gets on her and goes, I fucked two bad bitches at the same damn time. At the same damn time. At the same damn time. At the same damn time. At the same damn time. At the same damn time. And then I guess, you know, Mrs.

I forget her, but Hersey's daughter was on the plane. So there was an assistant that came walking back. Excuse me. Put that down. Put that down. She's on here. It was a whole moment, dude. It was a whole moment. I've never seen anything like it.

Everybody just headphones on. Well, this party's over over that guy's about to go puke himself he knows his entire dream is about done um a couple more big news trent williams to the 49ers for a third and a fifth round draft pick uh joe staley retired t's and p's the incredible career for joe staley i met him once at the pro bowl good guy uh nothing really outside of that but Trent Williams went for a third and a fifth round draft pick if you're a Packer fan you have to assume that pick number 30 probably would have got you Trent Williams by the way I'm not saying you should have done that but if you get Trent Williams in there I'd assume fans would be like okay not a bad play here other than the 30 we could get third and a fifth I expected a lot more for Trent Williams,

especially with how long and how wild this has all played out. Trent Williams is an absolute monster. I think he's a stud. He obviously did whatever he could to get out of Washington. It would have made sense if Green Bay could have found a way to bring him in. You lose Brian Belaga out to the Rams. Your left tackle is solidified, and Bakhtiari is an absolute stud out there. If you could put – well, would Trent want to play on the right, though?

I'm sure he could. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they would have to figure that out because they need a right tackle. They don't need a left tackle. But I assume you'd be able to figure it out somehow if you could trade away a third and a fifth for this, dude. But San Francisco 49ers need him for sure.

Niners got better. Absolutely. Now, do you think offensive line is a position you can sit out a year and still be good whenever you come back? Yes. If you are Trent Williams and you have played at such a high level for so long, he 100%, I think, can step right back into it and be the same guy he has been as long as he's healthy.

You think he has a better pass set than me or no? I don't think anybody has a better pass set than me or no i don't think anybody has a better pass set than you on paper my pass set should work against everybody until some until there's somebody there for you to block well that's what i'm saying on paper my pass set potentially gives up zero sacks all year not really though yeah yeah everything's going to start with the bowl if i have excuse me I don't know what weight you're at right now, but if I have a 225 pound tackle, I think everything might start with a bull rush on you. Well, skip that part of the paper. White that piece of paper out. Okay. I'm just, you know what I mean? I'm talking about just strictly technique wise. My

technique might be the most sound pass set I've ever seen in my entire life. Every time I do it, offensive lineman goes, hey, that's all pro pass technique. Great. What's it going to get you? How much do you weigh? 2.35 probably. How much? 2.35.

I could probably get you right now if I had to, if you were coming off the edge. I mean, you might hit me with that Cobra. AJ, you ready for this? Yep. Which camera? This one? This one? This one? edge I mean you might hit me with that Cobra yep I got you oh there we go you see that I'm calling out my god see me sitting down good base here, AJ. Oh, my God. Wait until you see the punch too, AJ. I mean. Boom! Are you always going to punch like on that third kick?

Because they're going to time that up and chop your hands right away. No, no. Technique says I'm good. Technique says I do it on the third. Okay, cool. Yeah, I read it on a book. Watch YouTube. You got a pump fake in your repertoire for that too.

Yeah, I can faint too if I need me. I know Robert Mathis works with all his DNs about chopping hands down. Not these hands. Not on paper. They don't get chopped down. I chop their hands down. Yeah, what a fun job. Then you get to do that 68 times in a row, and if you get beat once, you suck.

Just one time. Just one time. Just one time. If you lose one time out of 70 times every single game, you're getting cut immediately. This guy gave up 16 sacks. Well, that guy sucks. Get him out of there. What a terrible job.

You could have held your dude for five and a half seconds, but your quarterback is back there running around like an idiot, not getting rid of the ball. One time, see you. You're not getting getting that monster contract you may not even have a job what a terrible job the worst trent williams is very good at that though you know and said i'm not doing this for washington anymore get me the fuck out of here they wouldn't trade him last year now he's a niner the wait where did he turn down someone tried to trade for him and he said no earlier really the rumor was Minnesota.

But they're denying that. Everyone denied that. The Detroit Lions are denying that they turned their back on a trade deal with Billy O'Stoog on draft day two whenever he lost his mind in fantastic fashion. Stomped out of the room. His kid had to get out of his way. Sorry, Dad. Sorry, Dad.

What was Detroit's explanation for that? They said, I don't know. stomped out of the room his kid had to get out of his way sorry dad sorry dad and what was detroit's uh what was their explanation for that they said i don't know i didn't read the entire quote i think foxy did here i actually heard them just say that's business baby did they really no i have no idea what they said if they would have charged it to the game i would have been so happy that definitely sounds like something patricia would say Hey, that's business, baby. Sorry. That would be with that big beard and Ticonderoga just charging it to the game, man. Hey, sorry about that. Hey, sorry about your luck. Good luck out there.

Who are you taking? Oh, DeAndre Hopkins. Oh, no, you traded him. Oh, okay. Oh, now you got 10 seconds left. Make your decision, Bill. And he's the head coach and GM, so it's literally just him. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, it's awesome. He is so mad right now. I just got off the phone with your fucking coach. His son's there. I couldn't even fathom that. That was awesome. See, that was the drama I wanted to see. And by the way, that probably happened to other GMs,

but they show it because it's Billy O'Brien. Just like what with Jay Cutler, right? Whenever Jay Cutler was upset, get him on camera, get him on camera. You hear a director almost in your ear saying, get him on camera, get him on camera. By the way, T's and P's to his marriage as well. Damn shame. Seven years of marriage. A couple of reality show magical moments.

Sad. Gone. In one happy divorce. Man. Man. That one took me by surprise a little bit out of nowhere they were just happy and what the caribbean somewhere they got a show they got a show there well shows kill you if you get a show together and you're a couple it's over unless you're duck dynasty and then they get dried by

shootings but if you get in a in a relationship and you do a television show you got next to know the chrisleys i guess they're still together but every one of their kids has about a couple breakups it's just the tv show does not do you any favors whenever you're a couple in their their relationship i didn't watch the show but from the clips i seen looked like it was a very hilarious relationship they're traveling and everything and then whammy out of nowhere it's gone it's over black and white posts from jay cutler yeah hey you know the first the first celebrity couple that uh i think started that train rolling was nick lachey and jessica simpson yeah she she asked if tuna was actually chicken in the sea they portrayed her bad in that show

did they portray her bad or was she just a young girl fresh into a marriage i mean it's a couple different ways to look at it, I guess, AJ. Jeez. I'm not blaming her. Wasn't she like 21 when she married Nick Lachey? That was a shot. At Nick Lachey? At both of them. Yeah, you did. You just took a shot at Jessica Simpson. Nick Lachey, Ohio guy. Isn't he from your town?

I would never take a shot at Nick Lachey. First off, I wasn't saying anything about him. I was saying that there were young people married. He was 30. She's like 21. It's a big age gap. They're in different parts of their life right now. Completely different parts of the world.

What was 98 Degrees, Big Banger? I won't miss that way. Then we went on to where the party. There it was, right there. There it was. Two worlds apart. Him and Jessica Simpson, and then they decided to put a television on it.

He wrote that song. Paul Kogan, he and his wife split up. No chance. They got no chance. Ozzy Osbourne. Ozzy's going strong. Sharon! They had some issues, though.

Yeah, I think they had real problems, and they got back together. He got busted multiple times, but Sharon sticks with him. Sharon, by the way, she's got a electric factory whenever And they got back together. He got busted multiple times. But Sharon sticks with him. Sharon, by the way, electric factory. Whenever she gets on a microphone. Oh, yeah. They should bring back weakest link and put her in there.

Oh. Why don't they do that? Who's they? The people. The people. You know who they are. You know. Come on.

You know. The boobas and shakers. The same people that are putting couples on television so they can ruin their relationship. Secrets. Your high society, AJ. All the Kardashians. I mean, their relationship's all been there. I mean, one turned into a lady.

Yeah. Is that due to the TV show? Yeah, for sure. I would say. I would assume that, rest in peace to Bruce, by the way, but I would assume that there's a chance that the pressures of television cameras being on you there is a little bit of a problem. Wasn't a lady before the TV show.

He had a gold medal. Became a lady after the TV show. A plus B. X Factor. What is it? You name it. Shell. Hey, we should start this show, by the way, shouldn't we?

Wait till you see this, AJ. We got something special for you. Wait for it. Wait for it. We are. Old Foxy. Here's a drum roll. Detroit Lions got better.

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Welcome to the show. That's awesome. Who's singing during that? It's Deer of the Buffalo. I forgot his name because I went to text him last night, but I couldn't find him in my text thing. Dave, I think. I forgot his name.

He's supposed to come out to our office, by the way. Right before this quarantine happened, I was going's supposed to come out to our office by the way Right before this quarantine happened I was going to have him come out to this office And he was going to sing everybody into the office one morning I was so excited for it He was going to be set up on our basketball court And as Nick walked in He would have an entire song for Nick showing up

Wait we talked about this group before Like earlier There's a couple people that aren't as excited about this group as you are. Bingo. That would be Nick. That's why I brought him in. I was going to have him sing Nick in, and then once that was over, he was going to follow Nick around for the entire day,

singing everything he did. I was so pumped. I was so pumped for it. I was in a text message thing, and then all of a sudden quarantine happens. I was supposed to bring in Master Phil. Master Phil, the guy that was chopping up things with that knives. He was supposed to come in quarantine. No, that's a travesty. We couldn't get Master Phil. You're the the guy that was chopping up things with that knives on, he was supposed to come in quarantine. No, that's a travesty. We couldn't get Master Phil.

Oh, you're the Buffalo, also travesty. I mean, sometimes you just gotta do less. Both are travesties. Sometimes a worldwide pandemic is a blessing in disguise. Well, he's got a song for do less, Nick, if you haven't heard it yet. It's a banger. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah. He's talented. I don't remember his name. I wanted to text him last night and say, hey, thanks for that opening. I think

me and AJ are definitely going to use it we love it but i was going to try you guys put then did the boys go and put those clips together to the music yeah foxy put pictures on it last night where's zito zito's here he wasn't here the other day oh hey z i don't know i i was it was gonna i was gonna be worried because zito wasn't here on Friday, I believe. Yeah. Cable. Cable guy came. He had to sit at the house between the 9 a.m. to midnight window. Did you end up getting cable? We did. Yes, we did.

We got to our TV. They moved in this weekend, by the way. Worst thing on earth, moving. Sucks. By far. Right now, too. Like, right now, you're moving. That seems very difficult.

Well, the funny thing about it, where they moved into, there's an Airbnb in the same building they moved in the same house they moved into down kind of its own confined area nobody told them that there's anything going on in the world i guess they were having a full birthday party in the airbnb massive birthday party was there dj music he said connor then heard the next morning after the birthday party heard an entire recap in his bedroom because they were speaking into the vents, basically. Directly up into my room, yelling every single thing that happened at their birthday party. So this house is much nicer than the old pub, but I feel like there could be some inconveniences that could make this a real problem. What are you going to do?

Have you guys talked to the landlord yet and said, hey, what the fuck deal here? Not really. Like, we knew that it was an Airbnb below there. We just did not think that there would be a DJj playing music all day on sunday you're young middle of a quarantine that's what's gonna happen we'll just have to turn the music up on our end oh you guys gonna battle with dj i think so pass the aux cord fam we're going to work just ruining everything you know what you should play? McAfee and Hart. McAfee and Hart. Yep.

You want to do some vocals on that thing or no? You? No, I'm good. You guys are so good at singing, I don't even want to dip my toe into the water there. Well, I think you should. Saints sign Jameis Winston to a one-year deal after signing Taysom Hill to a two-year 21 million dollar deal

which is really a one-year 16.3 million dollar deal if you're the New Orleans Saints and you know Drew Brees has a limited amount of time left and you can get the guy who led the NFL in pass yardage last year and hopefully groom him and make him a better quarterback is that not an incredibly smart move to do so and also you pay Taysom Hill to let him know like hey we appreciate you but you're not really our backup quarterback at this point yeah I think it's a good move for them and I see Jameis Winston's getting kind of praised from from different places for doing this move because he said he turned down more money from somewhere else but he wants to go learn from Sean Payton Drew Brees he's probably hoping to go in there maybe get some reps in the in some game action.

I guess, I don't know if they're blowing people out, or unfortunately if Drew goes down like he did last year and kind of do to his career what Teddy Bridgewater did. I mean, you're on the Teddy Bridgewater plan. Step in for four games or something, play well, sign a nice big deal, and go become a starter again. Or stay in New Orleans and become their starter if Drew decides to go to NBC next year.

Well, and you can hit some motorbikes in the locker room after a big win. You know, kind of get your shine. Even if you're not in the game, you can eat W in postgame. Yeah. What about the other quarterbacks? Andy Dalton's out there. What, Joe Flacco's out there. Cam Newton's going to the Patriots.

Is he? Well, the betting odds went from, like, plus 400 or something to minus 160 rather quickly. So something happened. Or minus 199. Well, yeah, they didn't draft a quarterback. That's what happened. Yeah, but still, whenever the Patriots do anything, it's like you're trying to figure out what Bill Belichick's going to do. Not whether or not he cares.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you love Bill's dog, don't you? That kind of stole the show hey little husky boy down there have you ever seen a dog that disciplined by the way son of a bitch of course he's the best dog whisperer on earth too this dog just sat there staring at the computer and then he even turned the screen down for him so he didn't get the glare this thing you know bill belichick was born and raised in the navy right his dad was the navy head coach so the navy programs like his home i wonder if he got some navy seal to come train this dog

to be the best dog in the history that dog is just chilling nothing going on no distractions i'll sit here and then some people on the internet were like oh that's a fake dog he's got a fake dog so then he walks over and he gives him a treat. I mean, then afterwards, I mean, Bill Belichick, even being Bill Belichick, wins being Bill Belichick. I mean, this is just, this makes me think, not only can he coach anybody to be good at football, he can coach dogs now too. They're going to win fucking 10 games next year.

They're going to win 10 games next year. That dog is a perfect depiction of his ability to coach and teach absolutely anything well i mean i'm not surprised can you imagine let's say linda his girlfriend for a long time brings home a dog and the dog's just taking dumps on bill's bed bill rolls out of bed at 3 15 in the morning to go in the facility steps in these little mushy turds from nike then nike jumps and takes his spot on the pillow you really think that dog would make it for more than 12 hours inside that house if he wasn't disciplined?

Listen, it's either you or me in that house. We can be together if you want. You need to stop shitting and sit down and shut the fuck up. And enough with the barking at night too and you need to sleep. And if we get you on that goddamn boat out there in Nantucket, you need to shut the fuck up.

Him and that dog's relationship is a beautiful one. That was awesome. That won today. That won the weekend. Also, I thought Roger Goodell really did well with himself. Oh, God. I thought Roger Goodell really did well for himself. I put out a tweet.

I said, you know who won the weekend? I think Roger Goodell. Now, granted, there was a lot of backlash to that tweet. was not 100 accurate it turns out I was not what everybody else felt but I didn't watch the draft with sound on you know so maybe if people chose to watch it in mute and just see Roger Goodell in different places and spaces and costumes and gimmicks you would have appreciated a lot more because normally the only Good L you see is suited booted standing answering but not really answering any questions now we got a chance to see him on a chair he's loved for 30 years he was eating those M&Ms I saw him every once in a while eating he was eating those M&Ms yes he was he was eating those M&Ms greedy fat cat no shove it down our face he

was eating those M&Ms and by the way they were peanut M&Ms which is the best M&Ms and once you eat one of those I could see how he went through that entire thing he was putting in screens oh putting screens his classic old white dad I mean he has done everything uh now granted if you listen to I listen back to it a little bit what people say he sound like a robot and he sound exactly like same stooge he's always been. But without sound, I thought he had a fantastic weekend. Honestly, a fantastic weekend. All right. So, I mean, whatever Roger –

So he announced every pick, though, right? He didn't tap in a reliever? Oh, no, he definitely tapped in a reliever. There was a lady – I forget her name. She was very – by the way, she handles business, that lady. As soon as she popped up on the screen, I'm like, well, that lady would have probably suspended me or expelled me whenever I was a kid at some point.

And if I was publicly intoxicated as a teenager, we would have had to see her like Zuko. Zuko was the county or the borough magistrate. She looked like she was a stern business. She did it, and then somebody else did it as well. So he didn't do all. He did tap out a little bit. He had offset too

Offset well prepped him Yeah they were previewing Thanks offset Roger Goodell said Hey thanks offset Whatever Roger did If Roger came across more relatable To the American viewing public

Awesome good for Roger Good for Roger Transitioning from like the more formal kind of look with a sweater over it and all sweaters off oh no like oh i got a t-shirt on look at me i'm so relatable i'm one of you guys i'm just sitting in my old chair that i watch nfl football with it this is now this is my chair and that's my tv right there that i watch nfl football he kept saying as he like he's seeing well he wanted it right here for 12 straight hours he wants people to know that he doesn't watch no college football

there this is where I watch NFL football is that why he couldn't ever just say this is where I watch football like I had to say many times this is where I watch NFL football which I've never heard anybody ever say multiple times I can't wait to watch NFL football on Sunday. Roger Goodell was sick of the XFL even being stated. And this means that the NFL definitely views college football as competition, by the way. That's where I watch football at. Is it? Is it?

Is it all football or is it? This is NFL football television, by the way. You put that other shit on here, I'm turning it off immediately. That's what Roger Goodell was saying underneath. I like to hear that a little bit. They view college football as competition. They don't like it much. I mean, the worst part of the whole draft was every once in a while

picking up my phone and just seeing the latest tweet from Pat McAfee with a picture of Rog in different variations of what he was wearing saying, my commissioner. Like that's the worst part of the draft. He had a good weekend. Just eat an M&M. Just eat one. He did. He did have a good weekend.

You're not supposed to eat on the microphone. Show us that you're eating those M&M's. I ain't on a show. I mean, what's he going to do? Open his mouth and chew it in the microphone? Be relatable. He was relatable. He was relatable. How about at the end of the night whenever he said-

He's laying back and sleeping. And he said seven different cities. He was stumbling, fumbling, bumbling. Everybody's tired. Let's get this fucking over with. He said, it's been a long time. It's getting late. Like, we get it.

We know, right? We're here with you, pal. Steen and Eminem. He did. He ate all of them. Many of them. People were asking, too. It was never on the screen before he said people were asking. So think about his friends that were asking. Honestly, he ate all of them people were asking too it was never on the screen before he

said people were asking so think about his friends that were asking honestly ate an unhealthy eminem company no his friends that go into man cave and watch nfl football with him and eat m m's with him that's who's talking by the way portnoy's about to win that oh yeah oh my god oh yeah so what he's he's bidding to go watch football with raj? The most brilliant thing I've heard. This weekend, I was sitting on the couch, draft on mute, scrolling through my phone, trying to catch up on life. And all of a sudden, I see him with his tweet of the NFL auction, sending it to him, saying he's about to win it.

I cried laughing, I think. I think I actually cried laughing thinking about it. He got dragged out of the Super Bowl while wearing a fake mustache just a couple years ago at Roger Goodell's discretion. He's going to be sitting on the armchair of that 30-year-old chair with Goodell.

He said he's willing to go up to seven figures. He's a fucking genius. It is the most genius thing I've ever seen. So what's going to happen? Are they going to somehow claim that Portnoy didn't win?

Oh, yeah. Somebody named Bodger Rodell is going to win that thing for sure. I mean, it is. Or it's just not going to happen. Or like Rodgers is going to have to come out of his own bank account making $40 million a year and be like, oh, the winner paid $480,000 to come watch football with me,

and then they have some plant come in there and show that this is what we did. Oh, yeah, look how much money we raised. As Portnoy is just raising a stink on the internet if they some some plant come in there and show that this is what we did oh yeah look how much money we raised as portnoy is just raising a stink on the internet if they don't let him in there it is a genius move by genius if it's not gonna happen they won't i mean he's gonna keep fighting but man is there any way that that actually happens at portnoy's down there with raj i think dave i think dave at this point he knew that they would somehow not let him win so he was like I gotta at least let people know that I'm trying this because if he thought there was a chance of him actually winning I don't think he I think he would have kept it until he

actually got it so somehow I assume there's already something cooking I mean what a I fucking hope so bad and then he's going to shame the NFL for turning down All the money that he tried to donate Oh yeah I mean it's just I mean at this point It's just like literally just holding the strings Right now whatever I mean he is And Raj can't acknowledge

Him or Barstool But he's got to be like come on this guy Again Like this way Why'd you guys talk me into doing this all-in challenge? We knew this was going to happen. We knew it was going to happen. Knew I should have ate those M&Ms.

He did eat the M&Ms. It's your commissioner, Pat. He won the weekend. My commissioner. Who's yours? Who's yours? Piece of metal Rob Manfred? Just a piece of metal.

I mean, I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to commissioners of professional sporting leagues. What? Should. Excuse me? Why? Why would I? What's it going to do for me?

Adam Silver, whenever he talks, you should probably listen. There's probably something. Adam Silver seems to be the most self-aware guy that is forward-thinking when it comes to the NBA. Okay, so that's your commissioner. No, none of them are my commissioner. I don't label any of these guys my commissioner. Sure sounded like you just said that Adam Silver's your commissioner.

Now, a lot of people, by the way, were telling me that in response to my tweets. They were like, Adam Silver's my commissioner. I was like, well, I won't let you know. Mark Cuban's my commissioner, but he's not an actual commissioner. So I'm going to go with this guy that just put a T-shirt on, and I'm sitting staring at his small basement. I didn't know A.J. Hawk was a Chinese supporter of the communist government. Oh, yeah, NBA commissioner, by the way.

Huh, huh. Yeah, where did he actually – did Silver ever come out and talk about that when the NBA and the players wouldn't really comment? No. That kind of all disappeared quickly. After LeBron said that stuff, everyone just stopped. A lot of money on the line. I guess I can kind of understand why they stayed away from it.

If you're going to take a stand for one thing, shouldn't you take a stand for everything? You calling your commissioner a hypocrite? Well, if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything, AJ. Speaking of, Mark Cuban said, if we can play with no fans, I'm certainly going to push for it, and I think the league will do it. I think we have a moral obligation to do it.

So I assume Mark Cuban feels as if the moral obligation is we deserve to give our fans, the fans deserve us to give them a distraction during this thing. A lot of people watching this documentary, I'd assume, too, NBA conversations at an all-time high. At the current moment, learning about the history of it. You've got a lot of basketball players dominating on social media right now. All over the SportsCenter Instagram is NBA. All over ESPN Instagram is NBA. All over everything is NBA.

And now it seems as if Mark Cuban's on that committee to put sports back into rotation. Whenever he says something, I assume there's some information coming alongside it. I assume that games without fans is a real possibility at this point, so they can test everybody going into building. And if they can test every player, coach, athletic trainer, and things like that, I would assume they're going to do a March Madness-like thing, and I'm here for it. Well, didn't the NBA already announce that they are opening up some of their practice facilities in certain areas for just small

groups of guys, I guess, to go in and get some work and get some rehab? Are the Pacers opening up the gym? I need to put up some shots. You know what I mean? I need to put up some. Are the Colts? You can go work on that pass set once the Colts place opens up again. I've already worked. That's where I perfected the pass set was at the Colts.

And then it also got some work in, like, malls and airports around the country. My public pass set is undefeated, by the way. I just want to let you know that. I wish I'd walk up to a guy like you in public and do it. Oh, my. I used to do that. I used to walk, like, right up to people. As they were walking, I would just pass set in front of them for like a half a block almost,

and nobody would even acknowledge my existence. I wish I did it to a guy that actually knows something and hit me with like an ice pick spin move real quick, and I'm like, oh, damn, and I fall. That would be amazing. But that never happened. I'm undefeated. No, if I saw you do that, like if we were walking on the street

and you just popped up out of nowhere and were pass setting, I would take off on a dead sprint and hopefully you would backpedal and try to keep up because you wanted to keep up your perfect pass sets. And I would just sprint. I wouldn't touch you. I'd make no contact. And I would veer, veer, veer, bam, and run you smack into like a phone pole.

That's the right move. Hey, by the way, that is the right move. I'm not getting sued for that. It's not assault for me. I was just taking a a jog you didn't even know i was there to be honest with you i was being stalked actually so the guy that just got knocked out i'm suing him actually it was always a crowd pleaser speaking of crowd pleaser isaiah thomas that guy seems to be hated by everybody and jalenalen Rose made a great point. The bad boys, Detroit Pistons, they took down Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan,

like the three most beloved characters potentially in basketball lore history. And they were the ones that did it. And they did it in a fashion that was brutal. They got that lame beard guy throwing punches like this. Did you see him punching last night? What if somebody just caught him with a jab while he was running? What? What if somebody just caught him one time?

But that team played no games out there. Dennis Rodman was a savage. That was a team of savages. And Isaiah Thomas, I guess whenever they decided to walk off and not shake hands, let's go not shake their hands. Michael Jordan and the boys were not happy. And for some reason, everybody assumes that's why Isaiah was left off the dream team because of that one decision.

And he said this morning on Get Up that he's paid mightily for it because of that. That's something he always wished. Looking back, he was still a part of. Wow. I didn't hear that he came out and said he regrets that decision that much. But, I mean, Foxy, I guess, though, Foxy's a Detroit guy. The Pistons were, everyone loved him. They were your team.

They were going to beat up on everybody else. But then everyone else around them despises that team that the Pistons had. I thought it was great. I thought it was fun, the bad boys, whatever. I didn't really get to see them in the run. I only see highlights looking back. But Bill Lambert, is he still coaching in the WNBA? He was a WNBA head coach for a while.

He did an interview with, what's that show called? The Five, the starting five, the starting. Rachel Nichols? Oh, The Jump. The Jump. The Jump. That's on me. I watch the clips from that show all the time. The jump. The jump. That's on me. I watch the clips from that show all the time.

The jump. He was talking on there about how if he cared about what the media said about him, he would have drove himself crazy. He doesn't care now, or he didn't care then, that they didn't handshake the Chicago Bulls after they topped them as becoming the new kings of the Eastern Conference. He seems like a savage. By the way, that's a guy, that's an ultimate guy I want on my team, and I hate to have him on the other team. Were there any guys like that? A lot of people say Incognito was like the ultimate guy

you wish you had on your team. Hate him whenever he's not on your team. I think he was voted like dirtiest player like maybe four or five years straight, Richie Incognito was, and he was beloved by his teammates. Was there anybody that you experienced like that? Well, Richie Incognito was, and he was beloved by his teammates. Was there anybody that you experienced like that? Well, Richie was the first guy that came to mind when you mentioned guys like that. And I was always aware of that. I always loved Richie and his craziness. In the moment, I'm like, man, all right, you got to make sure you watch out. You don't know where this guy's coming from.

He's going to finish through the whistle. Rayola, the center in Detroit, one of those guys, but I always respected how hard he played, and so I always loved it. I could kind of see, like, alright, this guy, it sucks playing against him, I understand, but you know what? If he was on my team, he'd be our best friend. I knew in the moment, so then you could kind of have that respect, I think.

So was there weeks going into games where you knew you did not have to face somebody that was going to go through the whistle, and was that a much bigger relief? I don't know if it's a relief. It's kind of fun sometimes. A lot of times you'll be watching, like with the whole defense, you'll be watching and a coach will be presenting like, okay, this is their second and medium, this is our plan.

And they'll say, all right, now, hey, watch out for whatever. Look at 54. Don't be standing around a pile. Don't be messing around because this guy will get you. He may go low. He may go high. Don't be standing around ever. And it be messing around because this guy will get you he may go low he may go high don't be standing around ever and it kind of keeps everybody gets them keyed up and then it causes more uh more interactions during the game because you'll be waiting for that guy to come try to knock somebody off a pile or do something and everyone's already watching

out and trying to take care of your own teammates during that that moment but then after the game though usually you're cool with those guys that's beautiful hey just want to let you know don't even fucking think about turning your back to the guard that guy will make you eat it if you don't we're talking baby acl we're talking definite concussion watch yourself i bet you guys thrived and loved being labeled that guy in other people's film oh absolutely even being labeled like dirtiest player i think guys take pride in that i think so too they called me that there for a while did they yeah i was headhunting out there aj you know what i mean at least you're headhunting i i respected guys that were dirty when they would headhunt i didn't respect when guys were dirty and they go after

your knees well they kind of changed the rules to make people go after the knees now how did you feel about that change where they changed the strike zone uh and then over the middle ball you can no longer if you hit shoulder or above or whatever it's a 15 yarder which was making guys go lower and you heard a lot of wide receivers come out and they were like to be 100% honest i would rather the chance of getting hit in my head than getting my knees taken out in a high speed collision now granted i don't think it's caused that many terrible situations but i 100% honest, I would rather the chance of getting hit in my head than getting my knees taken out in a high-speed collision. Now, granted, I don't think it's caused that many terrible situations, but I feel like that is something that they almost started pushing there for a little bit, and then, happy, it's kind of died off.

It has kind of died down. Yeah, you talk to any receiver, they hate that. They hate, like, catching a ball. Say there's a receiver or a DB kind of draped on them, safety's coming over the top, going low from, like, the second he catches the ball. I mean, Gronk is a prime example. Gronk is so damn big, you can't. If you want to tackle him up high, like in the strike zone,

like his torso, good luck getting him down first off. So they all – he'll have a guy underneath and a safety over top chopping his knees instantly. Like that's dangerous. When you're trying to catch a ball, your foot is just planting and someone's going after your knee, that's where you tear tear acls that's where you tear all the ligaments in your knee or worst case or best case scenario is like oh i just got a bone bruise on my knee that's going to hurt for the next nine months yeah the bone bruise is the hardest one because they can't

do a surgery to fix it it'll kind of heal itself and like when they're like anywhere from a couple weeks to a year and a half yeah It's like, oh, okay. Yeah, they're like, we got what, 10 weeks left in this season? You'll be good to go by the beginning of next year. Cool, cool. So I'll just play through it. Cool, cool, cool, cool. You guys didn't want a lot of Toradol either over there.

Jeez. They need an owner. Green Bay Packers, man. Huh. It's a conservative group, conservative bunch group conservative bunch not really yeah not anymore they're they're ready to just go ahead and take their foot and get the fuck out see you later pal pretty good flexibility there what's it going to be like when they go back to offseason or like how's the Zoom meeting?

How's the Zoom meeting? Imagine Aaron signing into the Zoom. Everybody's just watching him the entire Zoom, right? Offense coordinator goes, Aaron, you got any questions? Yeah, what the fuck happened? All right, I'll see you later. Just slams the thing shut. I mean, I don't know how this is going to work. Because if I'm Aaron, that's not just something I can just bury, right?

Like I'm going in now, I'm staring at those people every single day. I'm like, oh, I hate you, and I hate you. This should be fun. Day two, I go in there. Yep, still hate you. Still hate you. Week 10. I fucking hate you even more now. I mean, how does he bury that?

I guess he's got to be much more professional than I could ever be. He'll be professional with it, I'm sure. But don't you think they set themselves up in the front office there in Green Bay to have a situation like Jerry Krause with the Chicago Bulls and how they treated him?

What if he just starts burying in practice? Not even like crazy over the top, just like little comments. You remember the one comment I think on one of the first episodes when Jordan's like, oh, oh come on why don't you come shoot jerry will lower the hoop for your short ass like stuff like that by the way that's not really a that's not a taking those fat pills jerry that's yeah i mean aaron rogers gonna write a movie and and make a character that's a goblin after you i mean it's just it never i don't know this just feels

like a very interesting thing somebody tweeted and it was a great tweet, and I wish I could give them credit for it, but I apologize. They said that Gunther Kunt and LeFleur watched the first two episodes of The Last Dance and thought that Jerry Krause was the star of the show. They're like, yeah, this guy's the guy. Let's go ahead and do that. That is what it feels like, to be honest. I'm done talking about it.

I guess James Devlin has retired. Yeah, he just did. Fullback for the Patriots, right? Yep. He was a rugby player? No, that's Ebner. Devlin was first-team All-Pro two years ago. He got hurt last year.

Okay, how old is he? I don't think he's that. He's in his 30s, but he hurt his neck last year. I think that's what he has to do. Fullback is not a position where you can just bounce back into the game after you hurt your neck, right? That feels like a pretty well-needed part of the body if you're a fullback because you're literally just running your face into people. That's the only reason why you're on the field is to run

your face into people. You are a mobile offensive lineman hoping to help the person behind you run your face into another human every single time you're on the field. One of the toughest positions in all of sport and obviously James Devlin was a hell of a football player for a long your face into another human every single time you're on the field one of the toughest positions in all of sport and obviously James Devlin was a hell of a football player for a long time well it's actually it's worse than like it all so you say it's a mobile offensive lineman you're absolutely right but it's an offensive lineman with a running start so you have these high impact collisions like offensive linemen yet believe me those collisions are every single play but they have one or two steps imagine if you have five or six yards every time for a collision and

by the way if you're devlin if you're a fullback you got to play on all the special teams too so you're running down blasting your skull with a 50 yard head start many times during the game tell the truth i hope he doesn't watch you You know my friend A.Q. Shipley? He was playing fullback there one year. He played, he was the king of the wedge. He was the middle of the wedge before they outruled the wedge, A.Q. Shipley was. Center playing wedge on kickoff return, by the way, because he was athletic enough. You'd see him running and you'd just have two people come flying in at him

and he would have to just hit them. Then he started playing fullback for a year where all he would do is just run and dive into the thing and i sent him a text i was like man i just watched concussion and uh i'm gonna keep a close eye on you for about the rest of your life i just want to let you know those positions are unforgiving as has been a linebacker i mean i shouldn't i mean you obviously experienced that but that jawline of yours just kept your brain safe somehow now it's the key is that old helmet. You got to get those old, heavy helmets. Get rid of these new age, super light, terrible looking things with the chin straps that don't come off and are like zippers.

Yeah, that's the key. Shoulder pads, too. You chew on that thing? Yeah, you did have those big old shoulder pads when you were in high school. In high school, yeah. Not in the league. Well, that was when you were knocking out 30-year-olds. That was when you were knocking out Kirk Herbstreit.

Head hunting Kirk Herbstreit. When you were in high That was when you were knocking out Kirk Herbstreit. Headhunting Kirk Herbstreit. When you were in high school, you were trying to kill Kirk Herbstreit. Good memory from you. Well, that's all I got. I think you have a lot more. Nah. Do you do that thing? There's a thing.

I almost got influenced into buying it. It's like a, it's a ball thing. It's like a, you know how people get pissed off and they squeeze that thing? Stress ball? It's like one of those things

but for your mouth and it says it builds up your jaw. Is that what you did to do that jaw there? I never did that. No. It makes sense. Like why not? You work out everything else in your body.

Why not work your jaw out? You just did the infomercials, influencer commercial right that was literally the first thing they said and i was like i'm actually intrigued by that and uh i thought about buying it i didn't get influence yet i'm almost an influencee but i was like they should be paying aj hawk to bite into that thing stat but who's it for is it strictly for guys that are playing combat sports or is it for a regular person? I think it's for a combat sport. I don't know.

If they were to go in a shark tank and pitch that thing, I would assume they would all tell them that they should direct their focus towards athletes and such, not the general public. I think they're currently trying to pitch to everybody like, hey, get a good strong jaw in there. You know what I mean? It's like double bubble. I don't know if it works that way.

If you're a big old fat stooge and you eat a bunch of steak you probably get the same thing everyone wants you want some just chew on tough steak four times a day everyone every once in a while you'll get that two dollar steak and that just you chew and you chew and you chew and then all of a sudden right here it just starts feeling as if they're just grinding together and it's like god am i about to get locked up i heard about this before and then all of a sudden you try to swallow it and then you almost puke and then now your jaw hurts and you feel like you're dying i mean those things can really those they can really get you ever give it up before like you just chewed the taste out of it what why is this even still no you've had a piece of steak just turned into jerky

yeah i'm just gonna spit this out oh my dogs do that i think i think i should probably do it texas roadhouse right now best steak i've had that bread oh the bread with the cinnamon butter come on man come on i got a lot of that were you uh i hate to derail this riveting conversation but were you you surprised that Philly drafted Jalen Hurts in the second round? No, I'm actually not. I guess Philadelphia's not happy about it. But if you think Jalen Hurts is an actually good player, Carson is a guy who gets injured. I mean, no offense to Carson.

He's young and he's been injured. So he is a guy that you could say Aaron Rodgers has not been a guy that's been injured. He's only missed time, what, two times in his entire career, 2017 and 2012 or something like that. he's played for a long time people like well he's going to get injured he's hurt that's why you get a quarterback like Jordan Love so if he goes down it's like well he hasn't shown trends of doing that I think Carson has a little bit Carson was putting that team on his back last year but if you think there's a chance it's going to go down or maybe put a package in for Jalen I don't think it's that alarming I would have went somewhere else I would not have drafted him if I'm

the Philadelphia Eagles but when he did it he's like okay I guess this makes sense and by the way I think I think if he if Jalen Hurts was drafted instead of Jordan Love to the Packers I think people would be a little bit more understanding nobody has a fucking clue who this guy is Jordan Love I mean it's just a it's a wild time did you hate it or love the jalen hurts move i don't know i mean i'm kind of indifferent i'm kind of confused by this one again i mean he's just signed carson west what four years 120 some million dollar deal was it last year so he's super young so i guess if you're saying all right hey jalen you're gonna come in we might get you a small package early on in your career and then we want you to be a

a career backup for carson wentz like is that the plan is that what they envisioned from him carson once they paid him 100 million dollars too and he was good last year man carson wentz was good last year he's a stud elaine johnson talks very highly of i don't know what you're gonna do with jalen unless you're thinking maybe a tasem hill Hill-like package, which there's only one Taysom Hill. Yeah, I don't know. And if you're the quarterback, like Drew Brees, he handles it beautifully. But there's no way he likes coming out of the game when Taysom Hill comes in. If you're a quarterback, there's nothing more.

You need to have the rhythm. You need to get a feel for the game. So to come in and out, you're not really sure when you're going to be coming in and out too. That's another very difficult thing, I think, especially at the quarterback position. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Those two are definitely eyebrow-raising. Got to trust the board. Got to trust the best available.

Trailblazing. That's what Andrew Brandt said this morning about Aaron Rodgers, but then he also said Aaron fell to our lap, so we didn't trade up to go get a guy. That's a great point do you hear the green bay packers said um that they thought they only had one first round grade left and it was jordan love and they thought somebody had picks 26 27 28 or 29 we're gonna get them it's like good news that gives you an excuse to get the hell out of round one then hey i don't know this doesn't mean you trade up in front of the in front of the 40 minutes that you could find a trade.

This means you probably trade out of it, pal. And they're like, no, no, no. If we only got one guy left that has. By the way, that means, what, 25 people had it? 26 people. Yeah. Also, it's not like they had a shitload of picks in those later rounds. They had one pick in the third round and one pick in the fourth round.

Like, I mean, it makes no sense. There were like three receivers that won the second round, right? Three or four. Oh, there's a lot of receivers. Patrick Queen, too. Everybody's talking about Patrick Queen because, you know, their defense was a little bit – I don't know how they're going to spin the narrative.

I assume they'll give it a go as best as they possibly can. But I don't fully understand how you spin this narrative. And Hal, if you're Aaron Rodgers, are you not just incredibly pissed off? I don't know. I don't know how you're not pissed. I't know yeah you'd have to be i don't i have no idea i wonder what he feels like what it's going to be like also we have all this time to where excuse me you can't you all right yeah hey are you okay is it cigars is it cigars oh no hey jay hey jay you okay just got addicted to those yep my chris cuomo had to quarantine down this basement that would suck you know how bad that would be if you got it

and you handle like what would i do i would stay in one room in my house is that what happens yeah i don't know i anytime i feel sick or some like uh my lady feels sick i lock myself away because i don't want to ever get it or give it to somebody who could potentially give it back to me but i don't know if i could do that for 14 days or whatever they're saying is that do yeah 14 days do you think that maybe you like you may manufacture a cough sometimes when you just need some alone time no not a bad idea no no i do not it's whenever i get like i don't ever i don't really get sick does that make sense like i don't get sick sick but if i get it i'm like i'm not good at it like i'm not good i'm

laying on this oh you know i'm like i am very bad at it i don't want this again i don't want somebody else to get it that could potentially give it but that's when there's like a 24 hour thing happening or whatever this 14 day thing locking yourself in a room would be pretty wild oh what i was saying before that was sorry now though with the whole covet 19 situation they're doing like virtual off season who knows how that's going to go but we have all this time and all this build up until imagine when they first go back to facilities and if they let the media in for open locker room that day can you imagine the scrum around a rod and jordan love and their lockers are probably going to be close to each other they said it's a rod and jlo wait what yeah yeah it's a run jlo

who said that the internet the internet said it the internet good roger goodell no because they're initials no aaron rogers and jordan love a yeah i get it i understand the naming thing i don't know what okay roger goodell did not come up with that, by the way. If he did, even better for the week. I would not be surprised if he did come up with that this weekend, by the way. That's how cool Roger Goodell was this past weekend. Go on. Do you still need to go on about Goodell?

You haven't got it all out of your system yet? I mean, when you see that Manfred guy, you just can't help but go, you know what could be much worse i guess could have who sees manfred where is this guy all over the place yes well they buried him because it was good for the game by the way to get him the hell out of there but remember the whole astros thing happened and then quarantine came in and you know by the way fans were booing fans were booing at spring training games. They were pulling them out of the stands. And then quarantine happened.

But was this the Astros? Could have been. Did the Astros do it? Smart. Smart. Because they're serving their suspension still this year either way. Oh, and there's going to be no baseball. No baseball, and they get away scot-free.

It's just like whenever I tried to go dump the water at the superintendent's thing. Yes. Because I didn't want to take the test. Get it suspended. Don't have to take the test. Get it suspended. Don't have to take the test. That's what the Astros do. Is that how it works out? If they don't play baseball this year,

then just this time period is their suspension, even if they miss zero games? That's what Connor just said, and he said it very confidently. And Ty knows baseball. He said yes as well. That's a good play by them if they just get a quarantine, a worldwide pandemic, kind of just eliminate the entire season if you don't have to.

Yeah, baseball's in a weird spot, man. They really are. I almost forgot about with all the draft happening. I almost forgot about the whole scandal that happened last year. Yeah, it's because nobody cares about baseball. That's what they want. Baseball. Baseball is boring. Until the playoffs, then baseball's awesome.

Yes. Kim Jong-un was reportedly dead after a botched heart surgery this weekend. People are saying he's back alive. Some saying he's dead. Some saying he's back alive. Who knows who he can trust. But that guy said that he found a unicorn lair one time where all the unicorns live with a straight face. So if he's dead, we're really losing somebody

who's one of the most ridiculous humans to ever exist in kim jong-un also known as jim kong well if he does die i know people are worried that his sister's gonna take over right and they say she is oh yeah oh yeah individual she's she she's the one who put the old thing on the old old buddy's face to kill him in the airport a couple years that was her huh yeah that was her play by the way she is an assassin yep she is even if he does die though do you think we ever do you think they'll ever announce that no we'll just find out whenever there's more now granted this guy kim jong-un once made somebody eat a missile from an aircraft carrier or something like that to die you know what i mean he once fed one of his brothers or uncles to a a pack of canines okay and his sister though a little bit more methodical she has the

the the whatever the the casey anthony what's that uh chloroform chloroform that just hit you in in the air casey anthony she did it man nancy grace fucked that one all up you think she did it well nancy grace forced at the trial before the people were ready for trial and it was a botched uh is that what happened i remember i watched a lot of that trial did nancy grace have a big part yeah well nancy grace i think she kind of discovered that the thing was happening and then she made a big deal out of it it was a baby killer and then in my eyes this is not an accurate assessment this is just an opinion here so i don't want nancy to, I don't want to have to ever talk to her, but I don't want to get sued. But I think Nancy Grace forced that thing to trial because of how big it was getting, because how big Nancy Grace's show was.

And I just don't think the state was ready to take it to court yet. And Casey Anthony found some holes in there with her incredible defense. Jose Baez, who also represented Aaron Hernandez in his second murder trial and got him off. And he was going to represent him on an appeal for his first murder and was probably going to get him off. Jose Baez there, that guy, he can get you off video killing somebody somehow. Hey, is there a... Does he sleep at night, you think? Yeah, he probably sleeps great.

In a pile of cash. Yeah. Fluffing it up on his pillow. I think he's pretty good. Really? Got to of cash. Yeah. Fluffing it up on his pillow. I think he's pretty good. Really? Got to. Huh. Hey, I heard there, it got me thinking when you mentioned Nancy Grace.

Haven't heard that name in a while. Isn't there somebody there that, is Nancy Grace in studio with you today? I have no idea what Nancy Grace is. I was hoping. Ty, Ty, check out some YouTube clips. I think it'd be right in your wheelhouse. Nancy Grace is in Ty's wheelhouse? Is that real?

Yeah, with her accent and how she's so over the top and like... I watched... Hey, I used to watch her show a lot. Then after the Casey Anthony thing, I was like, can't do it. Too much pressure. Nancy put too much pressure on the state attorney. We just let a baby killer walk out there. Let a baby killer walk out there let a baby killer out casey anthony i mean she's got a it's probably difficult to reacclimate into society right now i mean it's been years and years but i think the first thing you gotta do is change

your name i think that's like the guy jerry sandusky works for the ravens with the g jerry sandusky that poor guy that poor guy switch it up He's got to. I mean, he has to. By the way, I think he was famous long before the other Jerry Sandusky was. Really? Yeah, it's like all the Adolphs that kind of went down. Hitler ruined that name. Got to change your name. Got to change your name.

Anything else you want to talk about, AJ? I don't know. I'm not sure what's going on in the world. Now the draft happened. What did all these coaches do? They were preparing for this draft. They're doing all this stuff. Now they have these virtual meetings they're doing.

What do they do other than when they're not having these virtual meetings where they get nothing done? Cliff Kingsbury is flying women in, I think, just from all parts of the world, I think. We should really have a – maybe we should be checking that part of Arizona for potential coronavirus from how many people that are going to be traveling in. I don't know if Cliff Kingsbury is going to be flying in,

but I think there's going to be some people flocking to that house if they can. He looked like he was living in a drug lord's house, man. That house was beautiful. There's another guy that might have won the draft. Cliff Kingsbury, Jerry Jones, Roger Goodell won the draft. That's who I think. Hopefully for Cliff, too, he can win.

Did you see the meme? They show he and Belichick and it says, like, what? How many rings? Belichick had nine, counting his time as a D coordinator, too, I think. Versus Cliff's. Yeah, nine rings versus five wins. And they show them side by side. So if Cliff wins, I think, yeah, it's one of those things where people love to go back

and point to why people aren't successful. They think, oh, this guy dresses nice and has a cool house, so he must be a terrible coach. No, there's multiple different ways to go about it. Pete Carroll probably has a cool house, if I had to guess. Oh, yeah. Out there in Seattle? Belichick, that's like his vacation house in Nantucket that he's drafting from. Yep.

Here's a question for you. Yeah, his house might be a vacation, but Bill Belichick's never on vacation. He's always watching film. How much of the virtual aspect of the draft do they keep? Because you know Roger had to love sitting there watching the GM's kids run in the room. And yes, yes, more of this, more. Well, and didn't have to travel. I like the players with their families, by the i know that i might be different the green room i just never

understood why anybody did now granted aj did it and had a lot of success and it was a fun night but i feel what dude i didn't go oh okay i forgot i'm so sorry you know granted aj didn't go because aj has a brain but like when i was at my house and I got drafted, my dad and I, I think we were both crying, hugging each other. That's a very intimate moment. And I think in the house is awesome. Now, granted, them giving us glimpses inside the house comes with its own set of problems. I mean, obviously, the girlfriends of the world did not obviously outright win the weekend.

And family members were insane and stuff like that. But I felt like that was just so much better. Maybe you do the top 10 draft picks come across were insane and stuff like that but i felt like that was just so much better maybe you do the top 10 draft picks come across the stage or something like that i would assume that they're going to have a full sit down write down how do we take some of this stuff moving forward to cut costs for us by the way well that's what it used to be used to only be like a handful of people in the green room and then a couple years ago when they turned it into the primetime event they started inviting everybody to the green room yeah yeah yeah look back at the picture from i think the 0 the 05 draft when Aaron was there.

There's a picture of all the guys invited to the draft. There might be seven or eight of them. Let's not forget, though, that Nashville was pretty electric last year. Oh, yeah. So it's like I feel like they're going to definitely – they should still keep that, some aspect of that, but maybe do it at the homes. No, I think they're going to go back to what they were doing before.

Look how many people they jammed the streets when they started taking the draft on the road. It's been such a gigantic success for the NFL to spread the game and whatever. Next year it's in Cleveland. And then does it come back to Vegas the year after that? Yep. Yeah.

Because Roger messed that up. I know. Didn't he say, oh, the 2020 draft will be in Las Vegas? By the way, he's a human. There it is. Humanizing Roger Goodell and making a mistake there. It was late. What was that?

Jeez. You're right. Yep. You're right. What? So you just really like Tagliabue? Or what's your problem with Roger? I don't have a problem with Roger.

I have a problem with Pat calling him my commissioner. He is my commissioner. He's not yours? I'm not in the league, so no, he's not my commissioner. Who's your commissioner? Pistol? I don't have a commissioner. I don't play in the NFL.

Chopper? Chopper's your commissioner? Did you see the softball team that Connor plays for? No. How would I see that? Well, if you watched the show earlier. That's your team name? Yeah.

He just whipped that hoodie off so fast. He's a pitcher for the Virgins, by the way. Can people tell on camera how small that room that he is in uh i mean i think he's really made the most of it he was a fool he had a sword in there the other day somehow i mean he's he's really made the most of it i don't think people give enough credit to connor for the creativity that it has to take to be in a tiny little closet of a room and make all this happen i mean you're right i've seen that room it is not large at all connor's just just brewing farts in there like absolutely i got a bag the show i would

imagine no he uses a fart bag i got a bag everybody knows connor uses a fart bag think about it yeah what is the fart bag put it together you could probably figure it out you know what a fart bag fart into a bag and seal it yeah you got one got one in your house right now, don't you? I've never heard... I don't think that works. No, it does. I'll tell you what, it does. It does.

And then when do you release it? Well, it's like when Sonic was underwater or whatever and they had that little water bubble and it was... It's like AJ's piss jug

but for farts. Is that Sonic? Yeah. Is that what it is? No, Sonic the Hedgehog? Yeah. Who was underwater and then there was

little... Echo the Dolphin? I knew it. Not Echo the Dolphin.... Echo the Dolphin? I knew you would say that. Not Echo the Dolphin. Not Echo the Dolphin. There was a video game my brother used to play. They were underwater and then they had to eat an air bubble.

Mario? Oh, no. I think that was also in Sonic. Air bubble. Not a big video game guy. I wish I was. But yeah, that's what happens with the farts. You just kind of grab them and gollop.

Yeah, you can fart right into the bag. Okay, let's say Connor has a multiple fart day. He's got to unseal that bag. You got to be tight on the draw. Let the old one in. Yeah, it was a level on his sock. Bingo. Yo, it's tough.

I've been watching video games since way before Twitch, dude. It's forced to. tv fucking unbelievable 16 minutes after the hour i think this show's over aj a lot of smokey over there pal you were coughing earlier let's pipe it down maybe huh i don't know why there's smoke are you surprised the virtual draft instead had 55 million viewers average 8.8 or something like that throughout i mean that is good for them i i it's much bigger than the uh the last dance documentary that is just it's such a good depiction of there's no sports on we're going to release this documentary it has six point something million viewers everybody's like this is huge this is the biggest ever and then the draft comes around i was like excuse me

excuse me excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Is Schefter okay? Like, does Schefter say, okay, I understand why we have the draft now? Well, there was carnage in the streets. I mean, Schefter did – I think Schefter, yeah. I'm assuming when Schefter said that, by the way, as soon as it left his mouth, he was like, oh, according to my sources, I wish I could get that one back.

Do you think it was that, or do you think it was a calculated move because on his part and the ESPN brass was okay with it because they think it makes them look good. Like, oh, hey, even people, we're open to criticism. Like even people in our own company, some high profile employees we have feel comfortable criticizing us. Therefore, like we're such an open and transparent organization. That's a really good call. That might be the case. I know ESPN at times back in the day has gotten upset,

and they've gone back and forth. If employees should take political stances when people try to say things politically and they say keep to sports, basically, maybe this is another way of trying to say, okay, look at us. We're not some dictatorship. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, I think you can do whatever you want yeah i think you could do i think you do whatever you want to a point depends who you are i would assume yeah be who you can afford to be adam schefter that's one of their what top four people right now you can't lose you can't lose chefty chefty's probably top five over

there because football wins by the way, a Woj bomb is huge. But if we tell the documentary about Michael Jordan, the greatest player of all time that people have never seen before, that is swearing. Has six-some million or whatever. And then the draft, though, averages eight-point-something. I think football's going to win there. And Shefter is the insider for football.

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Some things that stuck out to me was Green Bay, how they didn't get receivers for Aaron Rodgers. And I feel like Aaron Rodgers is well within his rights right now to act for a trade. I agree. He's obviously in year 15. He has three more years tops. He's just like, I want to win another ring before I get out of here, but they're building for the future.

So I know he's upset right now. I like what Oakland did in the draft with grabbing Ruggs first round for that deep threat. Everybody knows Gruden loves the deep ball. They got Tyrell Williams on the other side, so they're explosive. And they got a good cornerback out of Ohio State out of that draft. So those are two teams that stuck out to me the most when it came to this draft. Okuda goes number three overall, and this is a guy that everybody's saying is a game changer. Does this happen on a regular basis where people see a

corner as a guy who's the next potential Revis or Sherman or is this guy truly different in your eyes I think he's just uh I think he's a good player definitely but I just think the need because of Slade leaving Detroit Detroit had to grab the number one corner off the board you know I don't think he would have went that high if any other any other team would have jumped to get this guy he would have probably went 10 through 15 because he is still a great player but Detroit just had that need and they just wanted to get their guy you know no matter how high they took him I don't think he's a number three pick where you just can't miss him he's gonna be a Sherman or a Revis but he's definitely a good player so Detroit just uh met their need with that pick. Let's talk about the Chargers, a team you know a little bit about.

They get their quarterback of the future in Herbert, I would believe. You think Tyrod Taylor starting this year, Herbert sitting behind him and learning? What do you think that plays out as? I think Tyrod is going to be the starter this year. I don't think Herbert is going to come in ready to beat him out his first year. If I was the Chargers, I would have looked more into trying to get some firepower because the only two quarterbacks I think possibly could have beat out Tyrod Taylor was Burrow and Tua.

I think after that, it was Tyrod to beat those guys out. I think Tyrod was a little bit ahead of his time when he was in Buffalo, the way the NFL is now, the way he can use his legs, throw the ball. I think he'll be the star of this year. It seems like that's the way, if you don't have the guy on your – now, granted, the Packers do. It feels like a lot of the NFL is transitioning into that. After seeing the success of the Baltimore Ravens

and after seeing the success of the Tennessee Titans with Ryan Tannehill and they became like a dual-threat quarterback and Patrick Mahomes has the ability to move even though he slings it all over the place is that the future of the NFL you think let's get an athletic guy quarterback and let's see if we can make this thing as multi-dimensional as possible to confuse the hell out of the defense it is just because it's so much harder on defensive coordinators you always have to have a spy you can't use extra man in coverage when you run man to man you can't have linebackers just drop underneath because you're gonna need these guys spying on the quarterback unless they're gonna make you pay for 15 yard runs

so i think offensive coordinators are now seeing what is keeping defensive coordinators on their toes so they're just trying to implement that in their offense right now how come the wildcat didn't last you think it down there in mi? Was the league just not ready for it yet? Yeah, the league just wasn't ready for it. Just like the whole Tebow thing, we just haven't seen it before. So once you know they're running the ball for sure, you know how to just stack the balls, make everybody stay in their gaps. But when you have the threat of throwing a ball or passing the ball,

that's when it gets tricky for a D coordinator to stop. Somebody tweeted me this morning and said, Taysom Hill is Tim Tebow 2.0. I love Tim Tebow. Taysom Hill feels like a completely different animal. I can't believe the Saints paid him as much as they paid him because normally in negotiations, they slot you into one position. Normally it's a position that pays the absolute least. And then they tell you, oh, you should feel good to do it. $16 million for that guy who plays all over the field what a weapon the saints just locked in for another two years alongside drew breeze and if jamis winston has to play jamis winston definitely he's definitely worth the money because what people don't understand what tasem hill comes into the game you don't know on the

defense side of the ball what personnel to call in for you don't know if you're gonna line up as a tight end so you bring in another safety you don't know if he's gonna go as a slot receiver so you got to bring in a quarter you don't know if he's gonna go to run it back so you don't know what he's coming in to play so that's why the saints always have the offensive edge because you don't know where he's gonna line up on the opposite side of the ball hey that's a pretty deep piece of analysis right there, Brandon. I appreciate that. I try to do what I can. I love the game, so X's and O's are my thing, man.

I study the game all the time, so that's me. Why are the Patriots better than everybody for the last 20 years? Is it because of Tom Brady or is it because of the X's and O's and Bill Belichick and his dog taking a second Division II player as their first pick in the draft? You think the Patriots will be able to keep it going with Bill Belichick and his dog taking a second division two player as their first pick in the draft. You think the Patriots will be able to keep it going with Bill Belichick at the helm? Are they going to win games strictly because Bill Belichick is a better coach than other coaches? That's tough because you can't replace Tom Brady. But at the end of the day,

Bill Belichick knows how to use his players to the best of their ability. If you're a guy that can just rush the quarterback, he's never going to drop you in coverage. He's just going to make sure you're only coming in in packages just to rush the quarterback. You know, the safety that he drafted out of Lenore Ryan first round, he's going to do exactly what Bill Belichick needs him to do. Whatever that is, if Bill Belichick feels like he needs this guy to cover tight ends, that's all he's going to do all year. You don't have to worry about him being in the middle of the field and making interceptions. No, we have McCourty for that.

We're going to bring him just to do this right here because that's going to make the Patriots defense that much more dynamite, and that's why they always win games. They use players to the best of their ability. That's insane to think that they're probably going to win games next year. They're probably just going to win. But think about it, Pat. Brady didn't have a great year

last year, and they still almost had a bye. They didn't just barely make the playoffs. They almost had a bye with Brady not playing his best. Right now, I don't know a quarterback they're going to start. I feel like they should have brought a Cam or a Jamison to just ensure that they'll have

great quarterback play, but the only thing that's concerning me about the Patriots right now, I just don't know who their QB1 is going to be. Okay, that's a great transition, and you did it for me. Cam Newton is now minus 160 on most betting sites and a fan duel to land with the New England Patriots. You think Cam Newton and Bill Belichick, I'm not sure how well you know Cam. I don't know him at all, just from the outside looking in football-wise. You think Cam Newton and Bill Belichick become a successful not sure how well you know Cam. I don't know him at all. Just from the outside looking in football-wise,

you think Cam Newton and Bill Belichick become a successful tandem if he was to go there? I think they will just because Cam won't walk in the door with no ego. What ego can you have when you go to the Patriots? They won so many Super Bowls. If Bill Belichick tells you to do it this way, it's for a reason.

You're going to buy in. It's not a guy that's coming from college saying we're doing it this way. for a reason. You're going to buy in. It's not a guy that's coming from college saying, we're doing it this way. I don't care how you did it before when he doesn't have Super Bowls or titles under his belt. I think Cam, knowing that he's been on the market this long, and know everybody in the league isn't just trying to do anything to get him,

I mean, it got to humble you in some sense. So he'll walk in that building with his ego at the door. He'll do everything Bill Belichick needs him to do. And he's still a freak of nature. He's still an NFL MVP. He's still the rookie MVP. He took the Carolina team to the Super Bowl when he didn't have weapons like that on the outside. So

he can definitely get the job done. I think it'll be a perfect fit. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. I think it'll be a perfect fit oh no oh yeah oh no i think it'd be a perfect fit man i've been because brandon not to cut you off i just think cam eagle is not gonna let him be a backup quarterback i think he might sit out a year if he has to sign and be a backup corner quarterback going into camp i agree and i also agree that his ego is the same reason why he's working his ass off right now because carolina kind of forced him out.

So I think Cam Newton is going to come back and be in full strength. I think Cam Newton is potentially going to be his best self at the age of, what, 31 right now? I think he's 31. He still has four or five years of greatness if he wants it, even with his style. If he ends up at the Patriots, I am going to be so upset. So, so, so upset. Brandon, every time you come on, I feel like I learn. I enjoy the hell out of the conversation.

I appreciate you, man. Thank you for having me, Pat. I always enjoy myself, man. Hey, enjoy those kids, dude. You know, fatherhood's the best hood. You know that. That's what they say. The best hood you can ever have, be a part of.

I agree. Hey, is it a nightmare over there, huh? It's got to be. I mean, when you're the teacher, the nanny, the 3 o'clock in the morning just waking up because they know they don't have school in the morning to watch a movie. I mean, I'm wearing every hat you can possibly wear, but it's cool. Hey, well, you look great. You look like you're handling it well.

Let's hope this is over soon. Ladies and gentlemen, Brandon Flowers. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Thank you. Can't thank you enough for listening to this show. I know you got a lot of other stuff going on. Actually, not really.

I know you could choose to listen to other content or let something else penetrate your ears. And the fact that you allow us to do so, I am incredibly thankful for. I have no idea what my future holds. I have no idea what the world's future holds. But I do know that every moment we get to share together. I'm grateful.

You're the best. Remember hashtag this is where I'm at Pat. Show me a picture of where you're hanging out in quarantine. We'll be going through. Sending merch to randoms in there. I can't thank you enough. Have an incredible Tuesday. We will see you on Thursday.

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