The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 199 - Fresh Into Retirement, 1st Ballot HOFer, Marshal Yanda Conversates With Us About Life. Michael Lombardi's Big Brain Is On Display. And Legend, AJ Hawk.

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

On today's show, Pat is joined by Super Bowl Champion, 8x Pro Bowler, 7x All-Pro, member of 2010's All-Decade Team, surefire 1st ballot Hall of Famer, Marshal Yanda. Pat and Marshal talk about how much weight he's dropped since he retired, and how he understands that he was essentially forcing himself to stay as big as he was, they look back on his career as a whole, look at what he wants to do next, he chats about what it is like blocking for Lamar Jackson, why the injuries were the main cause for retirement, how the locker room changed during the course of his career, and keeping young bucks in line when they were talking too much crap in an incredible conversation(1:08-29:08). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ discuss everything that happened with the UFC 249 card and what some of the biggest takeaways were and why it was so huge for sports in not only the United States, but the world. They also give their reactions to episodes 7 and 8 of The Last Dance and continue to realize why Michael Jordan was such a unique specimen, discuss the NCAA decision to not play college football if no students are back on campuses, and everything else that has been circulating around the sports world (31:15-2:12:57). Lastly, friend of the show, former GM for the Cleveland Browns, 3x Super Bowl Champion, and host of the GM Shuffle Podcast, Michael Lombardi joins the program. Pat and Michael chat about Stephen Jones' comments about Dallas not spending too much money on Dak Prescott and whether that is a leverage play, why Bill Belichick hasn't openly said anything about his quarterback competition and why he doesn't think it'll be a big deal, where he ultimately thinks Cam Newton will end up (potentially the Patriots?), and what he thinks about Big Ben's outlook heading into this season (2:14:52-2:35:03). Today's show is a good one. Don't forget to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat with a picture of where you're listening to the show for the chance to win some free merch. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello it is tuesday may 12 2020 i'm not sure what day it is of quarantine but i do know that live sports came back in america this past weekend ufc 249 humans beat the living shit out of each other in there it was awesome we'll talk about it later with legend aj hawk also marsh Marshall Yonda stops by today for an incredible conversation. That son of a bitch lost 64 pounds. Yep, 64 pounds since he retired. Good conversation about being the best in the game. And also, Michael Lombardi stops by to talk about the Dallas Cowboys, Stephen Jones, Dak Prescott, and everything else going on in the world. Good conversation today. I think you're going to enjoy it, and I appreciate you so much for choosing to listen to this. If you like this show, remember to tell a friend. If you don't like it, just act like you never, ever listened to it at all. And as always, hashtag this is where I'm at, Pat. Please tweet a

picture of where you're listening to the show from. You might win some merch and you might be a part of something special we're putting together here at the end of the quarantine. I appreciate the hell out of all of you.'re the greatest let's get to it now is a man that is going to look like a complete stranger if you ever bump into him in iowa or in the streets or at his hall of fame ceremony this guy is an eight-time pro bowler a super bowl champ all pro all decade team guaranteed hall of fam, former offensive lineman, now retired from the Baltimore Ravens, Marshall Yonda. Yeah!

Yonda! My boy, Marshall! Thanks, guys. Happy to be here. Okay, I have to ask just because visually it is alarming. Whenever you were playing the football, were you forcing food down your throat to stay at the weight you were at, and did you know you were going to go south instead of north once you retired well that's for sure i

always ate a ton of calories ton of carbs always weighed myself every couple of days to make sure i was you know my plane weight was like 305 to 310 but i didn't know like how fast it was going to come off but obviously i wanted to lose the weight so after i retired i just started you know hitting it up and uh eating less you know less food and uh working out lose the weight. So after I retired, I just started, you know, hitting it up and eating less, you know, less food and working out. And the weight has really fell, you know, fell off. So I didn't really realize it in the time how much I was doing to keep that weight on. But obviously it's really come off really fast. I'm shoot.

I feel so much, you know, so much better. So it's been great. How much do you weigh now? I weigh like about 248. Where are you going to? You're going down. Do have a set no so that's the thing i don't have i didn't have a plan a goal like hey i'm going to get to this weight i don't know i may stay you know in the 245 250 range i don't know but like you know the the day before the uh playoff game i weighed 312. so you know that was in you know mid-january so 312 to like 250 man i mean just you know, that was in, you know, mid-January. So 312 to like 250, man. I mean, just, you know, going up and down the stairs, bending over, you know, just playing with the kids on the ground.

I mean, just life is just so much better. And like I said, for a long time, I've looked forward to dropping that weight. Watched a lot of guys get to do it. I was waiting for my time for sure. Yeah, Jeff Saturday lost a bunch of weight quickly. Who's that guy from the Steelers? Alan Fanica. Alan Fanica, yeah, I've seen those pictures. lost a bunch of weight quickly who's that guy from the steelers alan fanica is alan fanica yeah i

seen those pictures those like he got into like marathon running got down to like 210 i mean i don't think i'll ever get that because i don't like running i hate running so i don't ever get that uh that light but uh but yeah some guys are really like they really like said a fanica is a really good one i think about this now that i'm trying to get into the running as you just mentioned i hate it and i think in team sports running is always punishment it's like if you do I think about this now that I'm trying to get into the running, as you just mentioned. I hate it. And I think in team sports, running is always punishment. It's like if you do something wrong, go run. So I think I've always associated with, okay, not only is this punishment,

but I'm hating doing what I'm currently doing right now. And as soon as I decided I could stop running and be okay, I started doing that. Wait until a couple years from now, though, Marshall. If you're not going to, I mean, granted, you're in much better shape than I am already. I think I weigh more than you currently, but in a couple years after retirement, those legs, once you start to get them back to life, they do not wake up as fast. No, I bet not. Yeah. And like I said, I mean, you know, like I agree a hundred percent. I just never liked to run, was just never a fan of it. You're right. I mean, it seems like punishment. And every time I would, you know, run on concrete, man, I just felt even worse.

So I've just been riding an exercise bike. You know, my wife had a Peloton. I've been crushing that Peloton and then getting in the sauna for like 30 minutes after. And that's really all I've been doing. 35-minute Peloton work. I reached out to some other NFL guys, you know, Joe Thomas and Ben Grubbs and former players that I played with. And I asked for some advice, too.

And in my college, too, like my college strength coach, Coach Doyle, like he helped me out with like a diet plan and stuff. So I've been reaching out to people. But my main exercise has just been the bike. That's it. I haven't like ran one time, not one time. I'm going to get into that. I have a Peloton two feet away from my bed. It is currently used as a hanger. But I am going to get all the clothes off of it. I am going to get into that. I have a Peloton two feet away from my bed. It is currently used as a hanger, but I am going to get all the clothes off of it.

I am going to get onto it. Let's talk about your career because I said this during the YouTube break, and if the radio people didn't hear it, Marshall Yonda is a player that, no matter who you talk to, no matter who it is, it can be a corner, it can be another offensive lineman, it can be a D lineman. Everybody I've ever talked to that has met Marshall Yonda and watch him play has nothing but respect for your game you're a guy that was just an absolute mauler but had incredible athletic ability whenever you go and you become an offensive lineman you become this stud guard then they ask you to move to tackle because they need a tackle like how does

that work are you just because you're from iowa and you grew up on a farm you're just like you need me to move humans i'll do it however the hell you do it. Like what is it that made you such a talented and gifted offensive lineman and moving of humans? A lot of that was like God-given ability, like just being able to be like stout. You know, number one, you got to have that to be an offensive lineman. But then obviously your mental approach and just how you, you know, your approach every single day to really take, you know, okay, God gave you those tools to be, you know, stout and firm in the run game, you know, get that farm strength from Iowa. But then obviously, I really tried to like work at it every single

day, every single year to really try to be a better player, better person, you know. So I mean, it was a constant like addiction of, you know, wanting to be better, wanting to be more accountable, you know what I mean? Be there for my teammates, you know, in the clutch part of the game or, you know, any aspect. I just continued to, you know, want to just squeeze out every inch of ability I could, you know, do my part. And, you know, and a lot of things like that opened a lot of doors of opportunity for me, you know, because the more work I put in, the more, you know, the better things that

happened to me, the more opportunities, you know, just being able to be, you know, relied on in the heat of the game. You know, like I want that on my shoulders. I want the man side on, you know, on three, in the third down when the game's on the line. I want the one-on-one block. Slide to the left and put the right guard and the right tackle on the one-on-ones because you want that.

So, I mean, it's just a mental approach, you approach you know and then obviously physically you got to have that first but I really believe it's a lot of mental mental toughness when did you decide that last year was going to be your final year was it going into the season was it middle of the season um so no it was a accumulation of like 2017 I broke my ankle and then I had shoulder surgery in the same year so like week two I broke my ankle like missed the year and then I hurt my ankle and then I had shoulder surgery in the same year. So like week two, I broke my ankle, like missed the year. And then I hurt my shoulder like that winter too. So I had two off season surgeries in 2017. So after that, I knew that I was put on notice and I was like, Hey, my body, you know, I've had enough surgery. So going into the 2018 season, if I would have got hurt either 18, I was going to retire. Or even last year, if I got hurt, I was going to retire. So the last two years, I've been mentally prepared to retire if I got hurt again. Because

at that point in 17, I was getting hurt a lot where I was trying to, my body was telling me something. I don't want to push it too far, right? But it was great. I got to play 18 and 19, started every game, got to play healthy and finish it the right way. So going into 19, started every game, got to play healthy and finish it the right way. So going into 19, I was like, you know what? You know, like I just, you know, take it for what it is. And this is going to be it just because I didn't want to, you know, risk having another injury. OK, you see Lamar Jackson kind of come into it. I know. I know. I know. Hey, I get it. And trust me, like my retirement speech, I asked I answered that question more than anything, you know, like, you know, Peter King and people like, how can you quit now?

You know, the team's like, you know, number one in the AFC, you know, you guys were 14 and two. And like, I get it. Trust me. Like that was the one of my best years, like regular seasons. That was the best year I'd ever had. That was the most fun I'd ever had in a regular season atmosphere. But at the end of the day, I still had 13 seasons. I've still had eight surgeries on my body. You know, I've had three shoulder surgeries, three knee surgeries, ankle surgery. So, I mean, I've had the wear and tear is still there in my body. And I was just not willing to risk another injury for another year. I just couldn't do it. I had like that rehab is life draining is what rehab is. And I just couldn't do it. I had, like, that rehab is life-draining, is what rehab is.

And I just had enough of it. After 17, I was done. I was like, I'm done. If I have another rehab, that's it. So I was just mentally, you know, done with the injuries for sure. You had an incredible run, obviously. Going to be in the Hall of Fame. Not normal for an offensive lineman, too, to just be able to be the guy whenever you're called upon.

I always talk about how people don't respect or give enough respect to the rehab how miserable it is absolutely miserable let alone when you get out the metal thing and start scraping on your scar tissue like that's at the end of it i mean it's just it is not a fun experience so i can completely understand that can i talk to you about the run with lamar jackson though i've been asking this yeah i've been asking this question. Defensive coordinators get paid millions of dollars to figure things out. The Wildcat offense came and took the world by storm

and then it kind of disappeared. Lamar, it feels as if this is something different. It feels as if it doesn't matter the scheme, Lamar Jackson is going to make it be Lamar Jackson. Like, you have to still stop that guy. What was it like with Lamar Jackson in the backfield as opposed to like a Joe Flacco or another type of quarterback? Yeah.

I mean, yeah, just a complete 180-degree difference as far as, you know, Lamar just being able to get out in space and make everybody on the field miss. You know, I mean, normally when a quarterback gets out, you know, out in space, everybody on the field, he can make them miss, whether it's a linebacker, you know, in the secondary. So having that, you know, him to be able to beat guys one-on-one and break tackles is like the number one key to making that entire offense go, because they have to defend so much because he can go out, you know, go outside the pocket and really, really hurt you with his legs, not just get the first down, but he can get 40 yards and flip the field in one play so i would say that's

the biggest thing is that how his elusiveness as an athlete and the tough thing is like you said with the wildcat his athletic ability doesn't come around you know very often you know they're gonna try to like find another lamar jackson well that's really really hard to do in the nfl to make grown guys miss you know what i mean the best in the world miss you know what I mean? The best in the world miss, you know what I mean? And, and out in the open space, like, so I just feel like his skillset athletic ability, and then obviously he's developing as a passer too. I mean, we, you know, look what he did last year as a, as a passer, you know, and having that run, that one, two,

punch the run game and then with those, the deep play action stuff. So I just think his athletic ability is a very very rare you know occurrence in the and you know it's generational you know so i think that's the biggest factor what what was he like as a quarterback because he's not putting an easy position right there right they get rid of flacco he comes in they completely change the build of the team right you guys change ability more tight ends and everything like how does he handle that as being the guy so you know and i and obviously it's a transition right and like and and last year like it was like this you know when we went up so i was kind of uh curious to see how he was going to handle it too

just because you know he's 22 years old he's a kid right you know i mean he's so young there's so much like the you know and all the fame and all that and gosh the guy handled it great you know i mean he's a humble hard-working guy and he says it before uh you know in the media and stuff that i'm just one of the guys well in the locker room he it is that that is true he is one of the guys he he's uh you know he's he's not above anybody he doesn't have any of that ego there's none of that hey i'm the quarterback i'm the i'm the me guy i'm the most important guy like none of that so it's like i i it was a pleasant surprise to see the success he had. He stayed humble.

He stayed hardworking. And then at the end of the day, football is number one in his life. You know what I mean? Like we meet all types of guys in the locker room that are motivated by whatever. I don't even care if you don't like football. But if football is number one priority in your life, I can deal with everything else. And guys that play that way and respect the game like that and understand that, that's guys that you go to war with.

So he's football's number one in his life, and it's just awesome to watch that kid grow every single week and do what he did. I mean, I was just happy to be a part of it because, like I said, that was a special run for sure. I thought whenever you retired, that was going to be a massive piece that they're going to have to fill because when your offense is a run first style offense, it has to have the threat of a run for it to operate. Losing this steadfast all pro guard in there is going to be a problem for you.

What do you think? Now, granted, this is going to be a horrible question to ask you because you'll be so humble in your answering, though. But do you think that if they get an offensive line again or somebody that another Marshall Yonder won't come, but how will they replace that? Is there ways to fill that? Like, I don't understand, I don't think.

Well, I mean, I really think, you know, just it starts with the top down. Just the way the Ravens are built, you know, with Steve Bishotti and Eric DaCosta and Ozzie, the way they, you know, the way they, you know, draft people and their whole, like, you know, philosophy on drafting guys and having guys in play. So, like, you know, they have a couple of guys on the roster from last year that played really well.

You know, one guy came, Matt Skura is going to be coming back from a knee injury. And then they got a couple other guys on the team that did well. And then, of course, they draft two offensive linemen. They always draft these mid-round guys. And I was a mid-round guy. I was a third-round guy. And sooner or later, they're going to hit on them.

Yeah, they're probably not going to hit like they did on me, right? That's being honest. It's not going to happen. But if you can have the entire five guys, you know, pick up the slack for the one, they're going to do that. And they're making those plans. And they definitely will. They drafted a third and a fourth rounder and they got some really young guys. They have a really good group of offensive linemen. It's a special group for

sure. So they'll pick the slack up. I agree. You know, the guy that's going to play is going to have a ton of pressure and there's going to be a lot of risk, but he's not going out there alone. He'll have four other linemen with him and collectively as a group, those guys will be fine just because of how the Ravens, they go about business everything so i mean yeah i'll be tough to replace but they'll they've been planning they knew the last couple years that i was about done so they've been they've been prepared for this we have to go to a break on radio but we'll stick with you here on youtube three two one see you later have a great weekend and we're back okay um whenever you're done with sorry radio you i mean there's a lot going on it's all good it's all in here you

know what i mean it's all in here um whenever you talk about football and you explain things you're an incredible speaker here like this is i feel like i'm learning a lot right now are you going to get into television are you going to go back and be on a farm in Iowa? No, I'm going to, uh, we're going to go back to Iowa. My wife's from Iowa. I'm from Iowa. We're going to, uh, but I tell you what though, we're going to take it one day at a time and figure it out. Right. I mean, you know, to say that I'm going to go back to Iowa and, uh, and go do this, go do that and have all these, uh, you know, these expectations. I really don't know just because football has been in my life, my entire life since seventh grade, I've been playing football in the fall. It's my life. You

know what I mean? Like it's, it's all I know. So I'm just going to take it, you know, one day at a time, you know, my goals, you know, and everything just, you know, family's first, you know, time with my family. I got a wife and three kids and, uh, you know, put them, you know, at the forefront and, and figure your life out after that. Now, like I said, we're going to go back to Iowa and just take it, you know, day by day and see how it goes and follow our hearts. But, but like I said, it's in five years, I don't know exactly where we're going to be, but, but I have my family and we'll be, we'll be living life. So.

Are you going to get into coaching maybe? You know, I just think that the time commitment to the pro level and the college level is just too much, too much of a sacrifice for my family time. Those coaches really give up a lot when they're in the building all those hours. Are you getting a tackle set or what? I didn't know if you wanted to coach me up a little bit here. I do public pass sets on people randomly in public,

and I just want to get hall of fame offensive lineman just want your initial report let's not judge me for being 250 let's act like i'm 312. all right 312 all right you're in a pass set all right number one you got to stay square out of your set all right square set so your shoulders yep and when you when you get out of your set those shoulders got to stay square i got to be able to see the back of your numbers when you're as you're setting off the ball. We can't have you turn it. We can't have you turn it sideways because then that gives the defender a two-way go.

Do your quads get fucking tight when you're sitting? Oh, my God. You know what? You know what? I'm happy that I ain't got to worry about that shit anymore. You ready? Yes. Yep.

A good stagger. Who? Who? Who? Did you see that? Yep. There you go. Yep.

As easy as that. That looks good until Von Miller's coming your way. Everybody looks good until contact happens, you know. You know, you meet a ton of offensive linemen. It's like, gosh, they got the best feet in the world. They look great. And then once contact happens, you're like, wow, that's a different guy. Who's somebody you played against that maybe like you're –

I don't want to say welcome to the NFL moment because that's so cliche, but who was somebody you played against that was like you're, I don't want to say welcome to the NFL moment. Cause that's so cliche, but who was somebody you played against? I was like, damn, I did not expect that. Oh man. There was a lot of them. I don't, I mean, I feel like, you know, the NFL is such a humbling experience, you know what I mean? And you will, I mean, it doesn't, you know, there is a ton of them. I mean, gosh, but I just think like the guys,

my battles that I had like just JJ Watt back in like in the 2011, 2012, we had some, like, awesome battles. Gino Atkins, you know, he's in our division. I played Gino twice a year for 10 years. And, like, when Gino's on his stuff, like, he's, you know, he deserves a ton of respect. But, I mean, like, the guy at the top of the game right now, you watch him on film, is just Aaron Donald for, like, an interior lineman. The guy is just unblockable, like, at times. Like, literally, like, you watch him on film is just aaron donald for like an interior lineman the guy's just unblockable like at times like literally like we played him on monday night

football and the week before i'm watching them on tv i'm just watching him just on the couch and like he's winning every single play like even if he's not getting like getting the ball carrier he's beating his man so it's like you know that guy deserves a ton of credit too but but that's the thing about the nfl you know uh there's a ton of guys that, you know, even the high-name guys, there's a ton of quality everywhere where you've got to respect every single opponent. You know, Aaron Donald trains with knives during the offseason. Did you see that video?

He trains with knives. It's all of the hands, right? Because the hands, it's all in your hands, right? That's the biggest thing. Robert Mathis is currently training defensive ends and D- linemen, and they do all this hand work. Have you seen like the evolution of D linemen throughout your time in the NFL? I assume it used to be a lot different. Now it's a lot of athletes out there. Well, yes, but I feel like it's definitely specific to each guy, like how they win and how they, you know, use their hands

and their hips. You know what I mean? Like you have to have really good hips too with those hands. Cause yeah, you can get your hands and get their hands. You still got to get around the guy. So I still feel like it's not just the hands. It's a, it's an accumulation of, you know, the speed and the power and his hips to get by. Like Aaron's got really good hips to where when he makes that hand move to swipe, he can get those hips around too.

And he's, and he's super explosive. So it's a combination of things and you go against guys over the years that have just unique skill sets but like Gino Atkins his number one move is the bull rush he literally will like run you over like put like the biggest strongest guys on their head like when they know it's coming literally you know I mean like so his his strength is the bull rush and then everything everything else sets up off the bull rush. Now, Aaron Donald's strength is that hand swipe and, you know, getting to the edge. But then he'll bull you as a changeup.

So every guy has different ways they win. And obviously that's, you know, you study them and you get after them, so you know that. Yeah, I was about to say, do you study them? Like, I think batters potentially study pitchers on what their tendencies are and what they're going to come out early. Is that something you're looking for with these? Heck yes. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, I always talked about, you know, the young offensive lineman.

I say, you know, when I'm playing an opponent, I take the last six games that they played against coming up to our game. I'll watch their tape. And I don't watch just like a third down cut up or like the sack cut up. I want to watch the entire game from, you know, play one to the last play because I want to know. And then obviously you can see what quarter it is, what time it is, what the score is. So, you know, so when it's like money downs and the game's on the line, you know, sometime in the third or fourth quarter, what is he doing to win?

You know what I mean? Like when everyone, all the chips are down, the tape don't lie. So it's there if you want to, you know, utilize it. So you watch that for six games and you you break down and you just continue to watch what he does it's there what he needs to do when he needs to win what's his favorite move you know i mean like when it's you know and you're just sitting there wait you're just sitting there waiting on it too because you've had to film yeah yeah exactly you know i mean and at the end of the day you still have to react and be a player but son of a gun a lot of guys don't like take advantage of those like

those little details of watching that film i mean it's you know it's a it's kind of a lost art where guys you know they their ipads are in their house for you know three weeks with a dead battery but like if you really want to be great that's a big tool to use you know yeah so you mentioned gino atkins and aaron donald who are like six one and more like short and powerful type guys and then you mentioned jj who's taller like is and like type guys. And then you mentioned JJ who's taller. And I know the Colts just got to Forrest Buckner. Is there a type that you would rather go up against? Yeah, I want the tall guys all day long.

Just because a tall guy like us, you hop and refit your hands and then you gain that leverage. So I like the tall guys because you can get leverage sooner or later on those guys. Like Gino and Aaron, especially Gino, if you hop and refit, you can never get under him because he's on that angle of him being a short, extremely powerful guy. There's literally no stopping him. It's literally dying a slow death. If he's pushing you back in the quarterback,

what you want to do is die the slowest death possible. Die! Die! Yeah, exactly. Hop and hop hop brace hop like and refit and like but there's no like when he's bull rushing there's nobody that's literally going to stop him in his tracks he will walk you back to the quarterback you just want to go as slow as possible i mean that's just that's just that's that's just being real do you chirp did you chirp at all or were you quiet no no no i'm quiet yeah not a single word on the field huh oh i thought you meant when i was stopping a boris no i mean there's a i i will

like when there's young guys that are talking too much crap and they haven't done shit in the nfl i let them know i do i say listen here young buck you just got on this field you haven't done nothing shut the f up you know what I mean? And we ain't going to listen to your crap. You know, just because some guys are trying to talk crap when they're too young. And I even, like, get frustrated with guys in the locker room when they're too young and they haven't done nothing and haven't earned the respect, but they just want to talk.

They want to try to, you know, do all that other stuff. But, yeah, I still try to do as much of the young guys of less is more in the talking department and, you know, earn your respect on the field. Because there's – you know what I mean? Just with everything now, guys get so blown up by the time they get to the NFL. Their egos are so damn high. And when they're like that, they don't get any better. You know what I mean?

When you feel like you're the man and, like, I am, like, the best guy on the field, you have no room for improvement. But if you actually feel like, hey, man and like i am like the best guy on the field you have no room for improvement but if you actually feel like hey i get better today and i like i'm not as good as i should be you are going to squeeze out every ounce it's a mindset i think it's a i think it's a tactical advantage i think a ton of guys don't they don't do it they're they're it's easy just to be the man i'm the man i'm the man you know you gotta remember though they have height whenever they declare in college there's a special on espn for these kids and then there's two million people following

them on instagram because they're highlights from high school playing against little white kids and then in college they're on national tv every single weekend and then they get to the nfl and now all of a sudden it's like oh this guy's been here for 14 years this guy's made so much more money than me and if all those specials were around whenever he was young, his specials probably would have been much bigger than mine. But I can't see that because the world that I've lived in has been a fluff piece, basically. And now I'm going against grown-ass men.

That's a hard thing for them, I think, too, because they've literally been told that they're the greatest for so long. And then you get dropped into a locker room full of the greatest. And that whole adjustment, I saw that, by the way, towards the end of my career, is a very different locker room than at the beginning of my career. I agree. I 100% agree with you. But, I mean, the good thing is, though, that at the end of the day,

the NFL is a very humbling experience. And I agree. Like a coach said at one time, this business will bring you to your knees, you know, real fast. And a lot of guys, obviously, they have to fall real hard for them to understand and listen this ain't high school or college anymore this grown-ass men and we're taking care of our families here you better believe that it's on you know and i i yeah i 100 agree yeah man marshall i'll tell you what you look nothing like what i thought you were gonna look like on

the other side oh man i mean like i actually like i've had a beard for over 10 years to always camouflage my round face okay when you're 310 there's nowhere you might as well do some camouflage and so like when i dropped like 30 pounds and i shaved my beard i'm like i actually have a chin line you know first time having a chin line since like freshman year of high school so like so i'm actually bought electric razor and like because like my family's like why are you shaving your face i'm like because it's something different that i haven't gotten to do in like 15 20 damn years so i'm excited it's so funny that all offensive linemen have a body image issue every offensive lineman i've ever met hates it they're fat no yeah nothing right. You're always hot and sweaty.

You know, like the clothes don't fit, you know, you're just, it's, it's an uncomfortable, like, uh,

you know, just, just uncomfortable deal, but that's just part of it. I mean, you have to be, you literally have to be, there's no,

there's no question. I mean, it's either that or don't play. It's either that or get, or get, get run over out there on Sundays. And that, and that ain't happening.

Hey, I can't thank you enough for sticking around this long you're the man do it hey one topical question when the schedule would come out when the schedule was released right for me i would look where am i kicking in december and are we going to denver when are we going to denver that's what i would look at right for an offensive lineman is there anything coming out of that schedule maybe it's when am I getting Gino Atkins what am I getting JJ camera is that what you're looking at yeah 100% I look I look at all my uh all my battles you know and obviously Gino you know you got him twice a year in our in our division so our division games you kind of know what you got but uh but it was those non-conference games that I that you looked at and just and then the schedule, obviously, where was that?

Because, like, if you got, you know, say back in the day, if I had J.J. Watt on the road in Houston, that's a big game because Houston gets super loud and obviously the crowd. Turned down for what? I mean, the whole city is on that guy's back. Yeah, that place could rock, you know. So, like, those environments versus those environments versus those key matchups, yeah, you definitely just bookmark those in your brain that you got.

Just like last year when the schedule came out, we had Aaron Donald on Monday Night Football in L.A. You best believe that I bookmarked that one instantly. So, yeah, that's how I did it for sure. I've always wondered this. They say defensive linemen don't like the cold, don't like sloppy weather. They don't like the cold. Offensive linemen love the cold, love the sloppy weather.

Is that an accurate stereotype? Well, no, because you'll meet one offensive lineman that loves it like me. I absolutely love the cold, and the colder the better. Now, like the other four guys on the offensive line last year for the Ravens, well, not all of them, but most of them, like they would, if you had to pick, they would like the warmer weather. I still don't get it. I mean, because they don't like playing in the cold, but I absolutely love the cold because I always overheat in the summer and you're always fighting the hydration battle and cramping and not being able to breathe either. You know what I mean? Like you just can't, when you're so big, you just don't get your lungs back.

You can't recover even when you get to the sidelines. But my biggest argument is, have you ever been exhausted, dead tired, like you feel like heat stroke is going to get you when it's 20 degrees? It's not. It's never happened. Never happened when it's 20 degrees. But obviously when it's 90 degrees down in Miami and you're literally like about ready to collapse,

those are the worst games for me is like when you're fighting that heat exhaustion. I hate the heat. Hey, I like the nice and hot. I like the nice and hot. I don't have to run. So get the ball fat. Let me hit a home run here. And let's just jog off.

Let me get the fan too. Let me get the mister. Let me get the cold water. Hell, you need some, Marshall Marshall here you go I'll get the out of my face okay all right I'll go back over here towards the fan don't worry about yeah what a life what a life hey you're a legend man I hope you get to join us again I enjoyed this conversation a lot yeah man yeah I appreciate it no problem safe travels back to Iowa congratulations on an incredible run in Baltimore you're a legend future Hall of Famer, Marshall Yonda. Today's show is brought to you by Lisa.

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Just like this show oh smooth transition winning awards for that type of stuff we're live how's it going uh welcome to mcafee and hawk sports talk i am pat mcafee the first half of that name and over my left shoulder and to your right on the screen, Mr. A.J. Hawk. Oh, boy, A.J. Number two. So what am I looking at? You're looking at me. Is there something over your left shoulder or do you guys want to put that in digitally? Oh, yeah, this is you taking a shit.

Look at your tiny little legs. Can you zoom in on that for me i can't really i can see i can see the facial expressions i have no idea how we got this who gave it to us but i'm very grateful for it because now we have that forever what is he sitting on it's censored it's a toilet right oh he's got the uh that got that picture of that one porn star guy who passed away, rest in peace. His dong hanging down. Oh, look at that picture of you flipping off a, you know,

what's this one? Oh, not my commission. Oh, no! You gotta cross that out. Oh, no! We need to prove it. Is this a ball go? It's not a painting. Who sent this to you? I have no idea, to be honest. It just got pulled out of the case.

Look at those little baby legs. Who is that guy? That's you. That's you. Look at the lighters down there. Look at your eye. And cigars. It is AJ.

Who is you? We were wondering there for a little bit. Once we saw the cigars, though, it had to be the case. Yeah. How'd you get that picture, man? I thought that was between myself and my wife. Well, I think your wife sent it to somebody who then got it per cost and then sent to us which is a beautiful thing i have no idea does anybody know who sent that in i forget

a lot of talented people out there as i say pat so many talented people including a bunch of human cockfighters this past weekend the first live sport in america since the quarantine happened was a ufc 249 which i was a part of obviously a couple other people and human cockfighters got in there and put on a great show people have been saying that this was going to be a great stacked card there's going to be a lot of action you got a lot of killers out there and it held up to the case that big guy the big guy that was swinging like this who just knocked the son of a bitch out real hard that was awesome then the uh thug nasty kid from arkansas putting moves in that you only see in professional wrestling that he was doing to people and then obviously sehudo and the boys getting after it greg hardy didn't really impress me that much

but i understand he's going to become a good fighter is what everybody said i enjoyed watching that and there was some real carnage we're talking about some really fucked up faces after these fights, and that is not normal. That doesn't happen anymore. And I loved what the UFC did, and I think it was a massive success. What were some of your takeaways as an MMA expert? Well, definitely not an MMA expert by any means. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just like anybody else. It started out from the jump, like prelims before they were on espn that started at 7 p.m i believe or 8 p.m eastern whatever it was those were like sam sam alvey i think was the first fight on the card the dude is an absolute warrior uh but like i don't even know there's so many great fights on the card when you were saying the big guy that was swinging lunch pails or whatever you you call his fist that was francis and ghanu the the 20 second knockout right oh and gone now i don't i don't know much about the fighting sport but that literally looked like when those when the bears get on their back feet and they just start running at each other and i've always had a plan

for if a bear does that to me you don't play dead like to tell you you just move out of the way you see i don't think it's i think what that guy did who was fighting and gone and what he did wrong was he didn't just move to the side because it felt like that was a freight train coming right down at him and he just sat at the end of the tracks and said come and knock me the fuck out he missed five times i don't know how many professional fights i've seen somebody just miss miss miss dead i don't know if that even happens anymore that guy might be my new favorite fighter of all time I mean it was pretty amazing Francis Ngannou is such a scary dude like you said he missed so many times but all he needs is one

and Daniel Cormier who was commentating like when he was watching the replay did you hear me he's like look at this guy's like his chin's up he doesn He's like, his chin's up. He doesn't care. Like, his chin's just all right there for anyone to hit. And DC keeps saying that. I'm like, yeah. But DC said it like in a respectful way, like knowing, yeah, his chin may be up, but good luck fighting through the barrage of these monsters I'm throwing at you because one of them, I didn't even have to connect 80%. If I hit you with 70% of one of these, you're going out for the night.

Well, the guy that's commentating that isn't DC or Rogan, the other guy, what's his name? John Anik. John Anik. He's good. I enjoy listening to him. He's great. He basically said, like, every fighter should be scared of this guy,

and DC was like, well, I'm definitely not scared of him. Like, let's not get crazy here. I wonder if DC was trying to angle himself to potentially fight that guy. I mean, DC could absolutely fight him if he said he wanted to and dc even told you like i would have taken him down already he literally said that and by the way from an untrained eye here and as a guy who trained in the same gym as dc one time i want to let you know me and cormier trained in the same gym i was out there jay glazer's gym uh we're at uh unbreakable Unbreakable, yeah. Yeah, it was a wild day.

I walk in, we're not allowed to play music because Jay's doing something. And I'm like, well, this gym is the worst gym of all time. Then he stops filming something. Then the music gets going. And then I start seeing like these incredible athletes start walking. I'm like, oh, this is the greatest gym of all time.

And then a guy has a shirt on and says, I break bones. As in Chris Bones Jones, I break bones. And it was Cormier. And I was like oh i wonder i wonder what nephew of his is fighting uh fights chris jones or or or uh yeah john jones so john jones there it is it fights john jones and uh it turns out it was him i was like that guy is gonna fight john jones because i knew john jones at the time because arthur i had met him through arthur jones who was on our team i was like that guy is gonna fight john jones because i knew john jones at the time because arthur i had met him through arthur jones who was on our team i was like that guy is gonna fight john jones and they were like yeah that guy's a killer of it i was like well he looks like a guy who needs to get in shape or

whatever and then you watch him fight i'll tell you what he's an impressive on the microphone he's very good and in fighting he's very good he's an impressive individual i think he's like 40 years old too at this point yeah i mean that's i became a cormier fan over the weekend watching these fights and one of the fighters said that he even gave him a heads up he was like oh and i heard dc say to do blah blah blah or whatever and greg hardy greg hardy said it changed the whole fight he's like yeah it's crazy i can hear dc commentating because there's no fans here and he told me to start checking these leg kicks and i did and it was like a whole new game by the way that guy guy, Greg Hardy,

I guess he's just sleeping and eating, fighting at the moment. Yeah, he's doing well. What about, did you see where, so Dominic Cruz got beat by Henry Cejudo, like controversial stoppage supposedly. Cruz says, I was climbing up like I was trying to stand up. You shouldn't call a fight. Yeah, maybe, but he was eating some shots from Cejudo. But you see Dom Cruz said the referee smelled of alcohol and cigs.

Yeah, he came out and started. Let's question the guy that made the decision, too, a little bit. This guy was drunk and smoking in between the rounds because he had nobody to check him because there's nobody within the four-mile radius. I enjoyed that. And I guess that Gaethje. Gaethje. Yeah. Hey, he's a killer out there i told you pat didn't i tell you last week like he's one of the most exciting fighters fighters ever but how in the world did tony ferguson eat that many shots i don't know

just like the same guy that didn't tap out to uh thug nasty's uh uh triangle choke i believe he had him on triangle and then he almost had him in a twister choke. Some of these dudes are just so much tougher than I could ever fathom. I mean, how about that one guy's eyeball is just broken and then Ferguson's eyeball is broken as well, but that one guy has a broken eyeball, can't see anything, and he knows he just got his ass kicked

and he's just flexing into the camera. I'm like, these maniacs, man. I have no idea how they do it. Big weekend for the UFC. Very good idea here for the UFC to get in ahead of everything else and put on a hell of a fight card like that How I guess? How many I'm curious now when the numbers come out? What kind of pay-per-view buys did this draw because it had to get so many and a lot of people I think I couldn't got Messed up going from ESPN then you gotta have ESPN Plus I know you had issues because you never you haven't bought a pay-per-view since they've been with ESPN.

There's an extra step in the process, no doubt. Well, I always thought that I could just get it on my TV. You used to be able to. Yeah, now I can't. Just charge me more to let me just do it on my TV. Because then I don't have a smart TV in my bedroom. And for some reason, my Apple TV back there hasn't been been working so i couldn't mirror the thing to the thing i had to we had to get a laptop out that we didn't even know if it worked anymore i mean i was not enjoying the whole

process but i did it to watch those humans try to kill each other i did it but it was not the easiest process and i would assume that might have drove some people away but i'm thinking big old numbers on that fight for good reason. It was a great product. Did you have fun when Thug Nasty continued to go after the twister, how juiced Joe Rogan and DC got? I don't claim to understand what the twister is exactly. I know it's kind of rare to get it in a competition like this, but they were so excited if he actually finished off that twister.

Well, I think it's like a joke of a move,'d assume like yeah like i don't think that's an easy thing it's like the old banana split they used to talk about whenever you're wrestling did you ever hear about this i had some friends that were like legit top wrestlers maybe in america at one point the paligrini and sean claire used to be like i think the paligrini was on team america or whatever one of our kids but i somehow was on Team America or whatever when we were kids. But I somehow was linked up with these two kids who were the best wrestlers maybe in, I don't know, I don't want to speak out of turn. They were very good though, whatever they were.

And for some reason, I was friends with these two and I was in, like whenever I was younger, and I was in a living room with them and for some reason it turned into wrestling practice and I should not have been where I was at. How old were you? Maybe 12. Seventh, eighth grade.

Yeah, maybe like 12 or 11 years old or whatever. And we're in a wide open living room. And I was not supposed to fucking be there. But while I was. Wait, did this get sexual? Is that where you're going? No, no, no. No, it was getting to the point where i had to like really

defend myself but the other guy was like don't let him don't let him put the banana split or whatever on your dog and that's when you grab they grab your legs and they try to like you know rip your groin apart is that what that's called because all the wrestling kids love just touching and grabbing you and they put you in a spladle and your crotch is basically ripped in half yeah and it's like they they can't do that to each other normally so so it's like if you're an amateur a noob they can get you now granted i outweighed both of these guys so i was able to save myself it was only there they went at it a little bit or something like that we were talking about something they started doing the whole thing like the head slapping thing they started doing and i was just

sitting there like oh okay this is gonna get interesting and then all of a sudden one of them won and then they're like all, all right, it was practice. It was like, okay, now you're up. I'm like, next man up. I'm like, and I weighed 30 pounds more than both of them at the time. I'm like, I'm not doing this. And then they tried to, like, don't let it happen. Don't let it happen.

I'm like, what? And they're like, that's embarrassing for you or whatever. I think that's what the twister is. I think the twister is something that happens on, like, amateurs. I'm not sure professionals are able to get it on. Like, I think that's, like, you know, amateurs, I'm not sure professionals are able to get it on. Like, I think that's like a, you know,

like a pretty big thing for him to be thug nasty. He was trying his best to get it done though. That guy. Yeah. I don't know how you don't see it happen too often in the UFC, but I don't know. I'm not sure. Like people that are true jujitsu guys.

Like, I don't know if it's something that's, I don't think it's a joke, but I think it's just very hard to do. That's a kid. You probably do it to me. Like I would assume they didn't do anything. anything yeah they could block me and you up in anything all right jesus no i'm not claiming to be able to defend anything when it comes to that

i tapped out six times in one minute and then i couldn't even do it with my arms because they're breaking both my arms i'd do it my feet it's not good can you verbally tap too you could i couldn't breathe i mean when you got humans just laying on top of you like that mitrione matt mitrione uh whenever he gets that big body on top of you and starts yanking on your arms and stuff there's not a lot of talking to do there it's just a lot of praying though there's a split right there look at that jeez can you show me that oh that poor guy that's what that guy wait this guy did this into the living room to you he was trying he didn't get me he was trying but there was a lot of like don't let that like the other guy was like don't let it

happen like do not let this happen to you right now it was almost like i i would have had to walk home if it would have happened yeah this is like getting it's like getting posterized in the nba like if you get dunked on by somebody that's probably what the twister is in a jujitsu world it's like getting dunked on because so many things have to happen your leg has to get in your leg has to be in the wrong spot your arm has to be in the wrong spot and your neck has to be in the wrong spot so i assume that that is not something that normally happens whenever you're doing this gets so happy he got this move done oh yeah yeah yeah he's gonna talk about he's probably got that framed.

Look at him. He's like, I can't believe. I cannot believe we pulled this off. Yeah, it's not supposed to happen. That poor kid on the bottom, though. The poor kid in the blue singlet is never going to live this down, especially now that we just re-upped it. He probably had to move.

That kid probably had to. They were talking to me as if somebody who never wrestled before. If it happened to me, I would have had to move. That's probably what would have happened to this guy. All right. UFC was awesome. Put on a great cod. if somebody who never wrestled before, if it happened to me, I would have had to move. That's probably what would have happened to this guy. UFC was awesome. Put on a great card. If this happened at UFC, though, would you have gone crazy? Oh, yeah.

By the way, I don't know why those two guys that I just mentioned didn't get into... I watched them knock out probably six people. Well, there's... I mean, I watched them knock out six people at one time. Where are we at right now? Is that a sandcastle downtown?

Okay. That's a, what is sandcastle? Water park. It's a water park in Pittsburgh, and we just were roaming around or whatever. Somebody took a raft from where they shouldn't have taken it, apparently, and they were much older than us. They were like 17, 18-year-old kids. These two did not care.

And by the way, those older kids, they probably never had to live that down either. They got their asses beat by a couple 12-year-olds. I mean, they got their fucking asses. Two 12-year-old kids just beating the hell out of them. They were short. They were not tall, though. They were short.

Stocky? They were probably wrestling like 131. Brick shithouse. It was awesome to watch them go to work. And then this UFC thing started. I mean, they're probably wrestling. They had to be 31 brick shithouse. Oh, they were all. They were. It was awesome to watch them go to work. It was. And then this UFC thing started. I'm like, oh, here we go.

Here we go. This is going to be. And then never happened. I don't know why they should. Maybe they're not like anymore. I haven't talked to him in a long, long time. Anyways, they beat the fuck out of me. It was like, I mean, did they put them in a wait?

What were you doing during this, though? Me? Yeah. It popped off. I was standing there. I think I might have got like one guy. I might have got tangled up with one guy. But they were like, it was like a movie at that point.

It wasn't even. And then obviously security and cops come out. We get kicked out. What, we're 15 minutes into this thing. I don't even think we rode a slide yet. I mean, it was, what, $70 to get into, I think. It was a great decision. I'm sure it was awesome.

But yeah, I think I tangled up with like one guy. And then they just took out everybody else. And it was like, Jesus Christ. You should hang out with those guys more often. It was awesome. But then whenever it's just you three, you know, at some point it's going to get to the wolves, have to do wolf shit.

And I almost got my legs ripped off at the seams. Let's go to Shaq and Mark Cuban. Both think that the NBA season should be scrapped. The NBA call on Friday, Silver told players, the NBA still wants seven-game series, and that could move faster if there was no travel, like in Orlando or in Las Vegas, which is possible, I guess, everywhere.

Says to be prepared to play with no fans next year if there's no vaccine. Okay, so they're talking about next year, talking about needing a vaccine. I would assume that all the commissioners are going to be in the same page here because I don't think one league can do something another league can't

because if it works out or doesn't work out, you'll be judged forever for it. But I assume the no vaccine, no fans thing is a real conversation happening amongst a lot of people, which is interesting to me. But then the thing that really gets it going here is if they were to have a biodome, like little squirrely uh what's his name uh paulie sure paulie sure who were you gonna say i thought you were going with sonic the hedgehog we talked about his little

squirrely guy oh my kids watched that the jim carrey they loved it thank you good movie your kids and i got good taste but if they were to do this biodome thing i like the thought of it as a fan i think shack is like just scrap it because there's always going to be an asterisk now a lot of people are saying potentially shack doesn't want lebron to win a ring in la you know that a lot of people are saying that those people i think are wrong i think the reason why shack doesn't want it to happen because it's like you got free agency that has to happen after this you got a lot of things that could potentially go wrong. There's a lot that could potentially happen, and I think it's going to be a lot to figure out.

But for me, I would like to see a March Madness-style tournament with NBA players in Vegas or Orlando. I would absolutely love it. So I know Mark Cuban and Shaq don't love it for whatever reasons, but for me as a fan, I think this would be electric. Yeah, I do too, and I they the fact that it's not going to be a full season like you can do the biodome thing where you could get teams enough people quarantined in one spot but where are we are we is the nba doesn't feel first off like the nba was

two years ago like when it shut down like where are we at are we going straight to the playoffs for sure what's happening it was so good wasn't it i think going straight to the playoffs what they said i believe there was a time they want to lead into and then there was a potential he's trying to figure that out too but hockey wants to finish the regular season the standings are pretty clear in the nba where if they did go to the playoffs like no one would make a big right because uh of the team so you already know basically who's in the place pelicans memphis were battling for rookie of the year that was the biggest thing for that was rookie of the year who's going to get a jaw or zion so I think there's a lot of things that still have to be figured out.

But I would like them just to go for it. Just do the playoffs, keep it moving, live in a biodome, and let's watch the most athletic humans on earth at the moment all dunk on each other in back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back days. Bleacher Report is reporting per Gary Myers, who's from New York, and he writes for nobody. He writes a book, Brady vs. Manning, ex-NFL columnist for Dallas Morning News, New York Daily News.

He's a Hall of Fame voter, so whatever the fuck that means. He said that Tom Brady's deteriorating relationship with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels was part of the reason he left New England. TB12 wanted more input into the game plans. Everybody thought this was potentially Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. What about old Josh McDaniels? Tom Brady said, hey, we've accomplished a lot together.

We've won a lot together. You've gone other places. They hated you there. You come back home. We win again. We have all this going on i think that at this point in the offense it's not only just your offense it's my offense too i would like a little bit input which is very normal by the way i think for a lot of

quarterbacks and i could very much see this becoming a potential issue if the starting quarterback who has to run the same offense that you've been coaching for 20 years and he knows the offense just as much as you do, doesn't have any say, and your name's Tom Brady, he could say you're about sick of that shit, I think. Yeah, you could, but we all know every decision that happens in New England goes through Bill Belichick. So if Tom Brady felt like he really wanted more input and Josh McDaniels wasn't allowing him in, I guess, he could go to Bill.

They talk all the time and say, hey, man, I need to be more involved. And Bill could easily go to McDaniels and say, hey, open up a little bit. Take some more of Tom's suggestions. So, I don't know. There's no guarantee. I don't know. Who's the sources? I always wonder how you can say these things.

This is probably a very large lie. I mean, we have no idea. That's why I quoted two different people there. I mean, it was Bleacher Report quoting a guy named Gary Myers, who you and I never heard of before. He's a Hall of Fame voter, so he must know some people. But that is something, I guess, that hasn't been talked about a lot. Everything has been, does Belichick and Tom hate each other?

I guess the real conversation should have been, does Tom and McDaniels hate each other? Well, I mean, after McDaniels went to the Colts and then decided to come back halfway through, you might think that he got complete control over the offense and that he didn't want to give Brady anything

so that he could take all the credit for it, almost. Well, and also Tom Brady might have thought that he was getting more control of the offense when McDaniels was on that plane. And then all of a sudden, nope, here we go. It's all coming back. Oh, there's a lot to unravel here, AJ. It's a lot to think about.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I guess. But the facts are Tom's in Tampa Bay. New England sounds like they're going with Stidham. Oh, wait, we don't know that. Why not? Michael Lombardi said. According to my sources.

According to my sources. Michael Lombardi said, According to my sources, Michael Lombardi, whenever this all ends, he said, don't be surprised if New England looks into Cam Newton's health. Now, he's a guy who worked for the Patriots for a long time.

I think his kid still works for the Patriots. He coaches for them. Not saying his kid told him this. He's just saying, don't be surprised if they look into it. They have $25 million in dead cap. They have no room to make a contract worth anything for anybody

unless they renegotiate. Tooney's doing everything like that. But Lombardi said, hey, don't be shocked if the Patriots look in to see Cam Newton's health because this guy, starting quarterback, there's not a lot of places for him. Mike Lombardi said that he thinks the Jacksonville Jaguars are tanking, trying to lose. That's why they signed Sky Cam, Mike Glennon. now the thought is where does cam newton end up at and he said don't be surprised

if it's potentially new england but bill belichick has said nothing of the sort of anybody starting for that team he actually has been very vague about everything well you can't go off of anything belichick says to know what his plans are and why would you no coach should give any of their plans away but i think lombardi makes a good point. It makes a lot of sense, at least, to kick the old tires on Cam Newton, as they like to say, bring him in, see how healthy he could be. And like I said before on this show, I can't see many other opportunities, at least right now,

that seem like a great fit for Cam Newton. But New England seems like the best fit. How about the Raiders? Okay, what, you want a three-way quarterback controversy well i don't know i have no idea i'm honestly very confused why cam newton doesn't have a job already i i get to quarantine he's not healthy and all that stuff but it feels like the market is they've signed other quarterbacks throughout this whole thing it feels like the market is getting very've signed other quarterbacks throughout this whole thing. It feels like the market is getting very small for him. Now you've got people saying, should he sit out a year?

Should he do this? Should he do that? I have no idea what he should do. But I do know, I think, here's a bold prediction, right at the time, May 11th, 2020, I think Cam Newton will start at least four games in the NFL this season. At least four games in the NFL this season somewhere. Yeah, I agree with that.

I would take the over. Over four? How many wins is he getting out of those four? Oh, I have no idea. I don't know what team he's going to. I think he's getting three wins. I think he's going three and one. Yeah, that's my type of... What if he starts ten games? Well, I'm only talking about four. Starts three and one.

Starts three and one. Starts three and one. That's all that matters. He's going to probably continue to do that. Maybe he goes six, two, seven, seven and two and a half. Seven and two and a half. Nice. That's what I think he's going to get. Good call.

I think one tie, too. Hey, what about this, Pat? What if the Cincinnati Bengals brought him in and said, Hey, we want you to kind of help Joe Burrow and his maturation, what he's doing. And, oh, if Joe's not, maybe he hasn't picked up as quickly as they want, maybe you can start some games, play half the season, get some good film out there, show everybody you're healthy.

Would that be crazy? Well, I think the Bengals getting rid of Dalton is saying that they don't want that veteran experience there. They don't want that veteran $17 million cap hit. Oh, yeah, because $17 million is a lot of money. You get Cam Newton in there for $5 million, which is more than Andy Dalton got, by the way, more than James Winston got, and maybe that's why he's thinking.

But is that what you want to do with Andy Dalton or Joe Burrow? Is that what you want to do to Drew Locke out in Denver too? The thought was Denver maybe he could start out there, but Drew Locke being a young quarterback, do you want him looking over his shoulder at all times knowing that there's a better quarterback right behind him is that what joe burrow's gonna do too i just don't know if that's the right situation i i think there's i wouldn't do it no i i just i wouldn't either yeah i thought it was possible especially when you take a guy number

one overall and coaches always say oh every job is open like it's a competition at every position well not when you're the number one overall pick and you're supposed to be the savior and you are the face of that franchise like Joe Burrow is now. You get at least three, four years to prove that you are that guy. I'm very interested to see what happens with Cam Newton. A lot of people in the comments don't think Cam Newton's good. I think that's because the comment section is very much a what have you done for me lately?

Just a couple years ago, old Cam Newton was real good. And remember what they thought in 1995? Just a couple years ago, Michael Jordan was really good at basketball. You think he could come back and do it? He did, didn't he? He did, didn't he? He did. By the way, did not know that Michael Jordan would have been an incredible

baseball player if he wanted to if it wasn't for the goddamn strike. Yeah, I forgot that Terry Francona was his minor league manager. I like that part about it. That was big, big news pop in this particular office here. Did you watch the last dance last two episodes last night? Yes, I did. Did you play with anybody that was like that?

Super demanding? Like who? Like Jordan was whenever he was a practice call on Scott Burrell. No, not really. I mean, it wasn't a whole lot of that. And football, it's a little tougher with that. It was so many players, and Jordan was on such a different level than everybody.

But no, like nothing – I guess people not as vocal as Jordan was. Everyone was demanding, like, you wanted to make sure you were accountable to your teammates, but no one was really that vocal. Like, Jordan just absolutely putting those guys through the ring and probably making them all scared to death to even walk onto the practice court. Yeah, like, I don't know if anybody was like Jordan. I guess they said Kobe was kind of like Jordan with the way he talked and stuff like that.

Peyton was one of those guys, though. He would talk nothing like what Jordan would, but whenever it was an off period for the offense and special teams was happening, Peyton's running sprints during it. Peyton's the first one in, last one out. Literally, he's doing all that. I think he tried to set a standard, which is what Jordan was trying to do. Like, hey, this is the standard around here.

You can do as I say or do as I do. I don't give a damn. Just do. And that's kind of, I think those greats kind of have to operate like that. Like, hey, this is what we're going to expect. Because if not, if I come down to your level, we're fucked. So you're going to come up to my level or you're going to get the hell out of here. And I think a lot of people, and I like the way Jordan said, like, oh, you're a tyrant, blah, blah, blah. He said, consider from who you have never won something. So he was like, you've never won anything. So I might sound like a tyrant blah blah blah he said consider from who you who've never won something

so he was like you you've never won anything so i might sound like a tyrant to you but being demanding is a part of the process winning has a price and stuff like that and i do believe that those guys that are up in ladies that are up in that upper echelon they have that demanding kind of feel like hey i expect you if you're not at my level which you might not be because you might not have to you better give your entire soul to this so we can try to get to where we all want to go and by the way whenever you're celebrating it's more fun than you could have ever had in your entire life i mean you bring up a great point it it looks to me like when you play for a super demanding coach like a nick saban type guy that yeah day in and day out those guys aren't

having a lot of fun. Like there's not a whole lot of fun to be had, but they may not even like Nick Saban and coaches like that, but they respect the hell out of him. And you always want it that way. Like you don't want a coach that you like. Like, oh, he's such a good guy. He's cool. Oh, do you respect him?

Well, not really because he doesn't really hold guys accountable, doesn't really lead by example. But I really like him a lot. Like, you don't want to be that person. Hey, you know what I think's fun? Kicking somebody's ass. Rich Rodriguez. I appreciate that the media was not afraid to ask the real questions

about backstabbing. Jerry Krause leads the show off with – Hold on. I wrote it down because I thought it was so amazing. about backstabbing Jerry Krause leads the show off with hold on I want to read I wrote it down because I thought it was so amazing Krause had to answer the question on whether or not there was backstabbing going on within his organization that is when you know if you've won everything you're a winning team a winning organization on top of the world and you're a general manager

and you're being asked is there backstabbing going on in your facility that's when you know backstabbing is probably going on in your organization and there's probably a lot of shit to it jerry kraus just somehow continues to be the evil villain in this entire thing and the son of a bitch might be the most successful general manager in the history of the nba and after watching this last dance it's like that he's really just a bfs he's just a bfs doesn't know doesn't know what he's got has no idea doesn't appreciate it doesn't respect it and i think that could all potentially be because of the way he handled relationships with the team i mean that's just how it's got to be he seems like he should have just been a lifetime lifetime scout he seemed lifetime scout. He did such a good job of finding talent.

He was there when they drafted Jordan, right? Yep. And then he found Scottie Pippen at some tiny school in Arkansas. Is that right? Bingo. Tony Coo coach. He signed Dennis Rodman. Horace Grant.

Yeah, Horace Grant was huge for him. He seems to be able to evaluate talent very well, so maybe he should have just been a scout and never been the head guy in charge. He just sucks at talking. Like, yeah, incredible scout, kind of the Peter principle, right? Peter principle is when you're so good at your job, you get promoted to another job that you're no longer good at. I think Kraus, incredible talent evaluator.

Let's pay him a lot of money to be a talent evaluator, but we can't put him in a position where he's going to have to speak because he absolutely sucks at it and everybody hates him it's just not a guy you want potentially negotiating with your best talent but is he the most underrated and underappreciated successful gm in the history of sports i think yes this poor guy will never get the credit now for being an incredible team builder because he was trying his best to demolish that team at any chance he had like what was the ultimate goal to bring a coach and a full roster of 12 players in there that all they did was just pump jerry kraus up like i don't get it i don't fucking get it either i don't get it either how about steve

curry eating a fist yeah i'd heard about that that uh that fight story years ago and then to uh to see him talk about what so steve hit jordan in the chest and jordan said he jacked him in the eye yeah just as soon as he hit him he said he couldn't have had to hit him a fucking eye his exact words had hit him right in the fucking eye hey he called him and apologized though he said he felt this big because he beat up the smallest guy in the court. So he took another shot at Steve Kerr. That's the only reason Jordan was upset. He's like, man, I should have hit Luke Longley or somebody else. Bill Wennington.

Steve Kerr, though, I think that's a massive moment for what type of guy Steve Kerr is. I bet you if I'm his players, I respect Steve Kerr a lot more now hearing that story. He was like, hey, listen, you're already beating me. I don't need your shit right now. Yeah, yeah! Did he go, how did you get right into his chest? Why is he punching somebody in the chest? I don't think I've ever – Is that much shorter than Michael?

Hey, I'll get you up there. I don't know. Steve, credit – I mean, Steve Kerr is awesome, but credit to him when he said, like, what did he say? I have a short fuse or whatever, and I can blow up really quick. He's like, and I'm super competitive, but I just don't really have the ability to follow up on that. Like, that was awesome.

I like Steve Kerr a lot. What else should we talk about here? Mark Emmert said, if there's no students on campus, we ain't playing any sports. No students means that the school doesn't think it's safe enough to bring them back. We're not going to play sports then if that is the case. Which, by the way, Mark Emmert making the right decision.

And will anybody kind of, you know, come back and think of the statement if they do end up opening up stadiums instead of campuses? Of course, somebody will say something. Are you coding? Typing. That was incredible. Did you hear that? I couldn't hear it, no.

Oh, great words per minute. It was incredible. That sounded like one of them stenographers in a court case. It was really impressive. I like how we all looked at Emmett first. I thought it was Emmett typing at first. Attaboy, Emmett, good WPM. But if he changes his mind on this going forward nobody's going to care

and think about this mark emmert just said the right thing at the right time about the situation this is exactly what he has to say is that not accurate oh it's very accurate but of course he has to say this they're student athletes and they pub them all the time as student athletes and if there's no school they're just athletes that aren't getting paid. So they're, I don't know. They're student human athletes. Let's make sure we remember that. Do you guys not like, does he make the final decision or is it the conferences that make the

decision on playing without, if there's no score or anything like that? The NCAA is the regulating body, right? So if, if they have any gumption, it'd be them making the decision. But instead, it will be the conferences because they're the ones that run everything.

Any NCAA is just there to put their nose into things that shouldn't be in and collect a paycheck. But that's what some people would say. I'm not saying that. That's just what people would say. I would assume that the NCAA can and say our league would not begin until then. I think Mark Emmert does have that power. I could be wrong because the big 12 said we're coming back big 12 said we're coming back big 10 said we're not coming back in each individual conference it feels like they're giving their own vote for what they think should happen I assume the SEC has not given out an answer

because everything's bigger there if the SEC was to say something it would be it was like eight or nine of the schools said yeah giant ordeal so like i feel like there's going to be different votes but i think mark emmer does have the power to potentially say no but also he has the power to be persuaded by money which would be opening up them damn stadiums even if the students the college campuses were only doing online classes which i think is how everybody handled this spring am i right saying that emmett are you guys doing online classes that's what you've been doing this entire time yeah great answer emmett well hey emmett but emmett could i don't know how much power he has one way or the other he could say no we're not playing but they were talking months ago that like the pac-12 if

they wanted to they were saying we could just forego the ncaa and start our own thing that's not technically in the NCAA. So this could easily start something like that. We got into this conversation last week and it was a long one. I mean, we started going because at first I've always had this thought that to fix the NCAA, there would have to be an alternative league that did their own thing. And you start thinking like the XFL. The XFL had to find arenas and stadiums for people to play at. They had to find a structure and all own thing. And you start thinking like the XFL. The XFL had to find arenas and stadiums

for people to play at. They had to find a structure and all that thing. The only way this would ever work is if colleges, big colleges, who were sick of having to have 15 sports when only two of them make money, in these big time schools that are sick of seeing their players not be able to get $1,000 handshakes

and in risks of losing them. These schools that are sick of the time period where they're not allowed to send a text to recruit a player because it's a downtime. You could see these big-time schools that make $50, $60, $70 million off a couple sports and then lose money elsewhere creating their own league and then paying the players however they deem fit, still having a university there and creating their own thing whether it was just football or they had basketball in there as well or if some of them wanted to have other sports that like if Iowa wanted to create its own wrestling league because

the University of Iowa makes so much money off wrestling I don't know why that hasn't happened I honestly don't know why you could say it's because uh it would take a lot of schools to do it and only so many would do it well I think that would make them even better because the schools that would be able to do it are ones that already have an entire structure sponsor money stadium ticket sales Prestige everything that could go do it Imagine the networks lining up by the way to get the TV look what they did for the XFL both Fox and ESPN gave them

Entire weekends, I would assume that if these big schools, notable schools, just created their own thing, that it would garner a lot of TV money. It would garner a lot of attention. And I don't know how the NCAA would keep up. You're kind of seeing it right now with the G League, with the NBA. And there's three of the top recruits are going over there to make money. I don't know how the NCAA football-wise would be able to keep up if they were to do that. I don't see the drawbacks either, to be honest with you. I don't know how the NCAA football-wise would be able to keep up if they were to do that.

I don't see the drawbacks either, to be honest with you. I don't see the drawbacks. I see all the work it would take to set it up. It would take not only the biggest universities in America right now, but it would take a huge chunk of them together. Do you want to be that group of lawyers or whatever who is out contacting each school? Can you imagine the groundwork you'd have to do and how much work it would take just to get in?

Okay, this is what we're going to do. If we're all in this together, we have more power than the NCAA. You may get a couple schools, but I think it's going to be hard to get 15, 20, 40 schools, 80 schools to even do this. What would it have to be? It would have to be Saban calling Dabo, calling Jimbo yeah calling somebody else ryan day calling ryan day calling it would have to be the coaches being like hey this is what we're thinking we'll get their ads all have to be on board too well the ads are on board the coaches are on board right don't say anything you can fire the coach can they you think nick saban get fired right now

can they you think nick savin get fired right now well the ad is who hires and fires coaches okay so let's say the ad and the coach call the other ads and coaches do you think that call has ever happened because the guy from minnesota regents what was his name border regents border regents wusu something something like some border regents at minnesota came out and said something like this to alluding to this fact. He had to walk back on his thoughts, like people won't leave the NCAA. But it was definitely something that had been talked about amongst people. I wonder if those athletic directors and coaches have gotten around each other and started talking about it and been like, what do we think? We think now is the time to kind of make this jump?

You know, the way that we did things pre-quarantine, we don't have to do post-quarantine. You know, I used to never wash my hands after I take a poop. I would just move on. Now I can shower afterwards. You know, maybe I used to shake hands and hug people. You know, after quarantine, I'm not doing that. I used to like this person. I've been locked away from them for 54 days.

I've realized I don't like them that much. I eliminate them post. A lot of people are making changes pre-quarantine, post-quarantine. It's like a refresh button on life almost for a lot of people are making changes pre-quarantine post-quarantine it's like a refresh button on life almost for a lot of people what if the coaches and ads during this quarantine were trying to figure out a way to kind of run their own league that is something i'd be very interested in by the way i have no idea how they would regulate it they would have to get a regulator and i but i would be pumped up about i'm like here we go let's go now let's go as a recruit too i mean if you had the option to choose a league where you can get paid versus just a regular old ncaa i mean they would dominate the recruiting i think so

well that's a big reason why the name and likeness is being pushed through but i think the ncaa knows like hey this is already in place we need to we need to try to make sure everybody is happy like they've messed up enough things already they don't want to give extra reasons for teams and schools like you said to actually try to come together and make something happen is the ncaa losing leverage at this point oh no oh no oh well uh hey it's like it's quick i want to say before it's like the mma it's like not just the u, MMA in general. They don't have a union, and they always talk about how they need a union. First off, you're like, yeah, of course we do.

But can you imagine trying to get all the fighters together, all of them on the same page? You've got fighters on all corners of the earth, all their managers connecting to everybody, and then the only real power that the fighters have, if they want to start a union, cause Dana doesn't want it to happen. He's claimed that he's open to it,

which he might be, but I think it has to be. Yeah, he definitely has to be, but it would take like a Conor McGregor type guy to sit out of a show, to be scheduled to fight. And all of a sudden the day before something like, Hey man,

no, like the whole card shutting down. None of us are fighting. If we don't make this union thing happen, like that's the only leverage you have is to sit out and i don't see fighters as a whole like sitting out that's like the quarterback club back in the day where the quarterbacks were all in their own run that's why the union became such a big deal because the quarterbacks were getting a much different treatment than everybody else because the quarterbacks realized that they were one of the most the most important part of the

entire league so they had the quarterback club it's like almost a bad word to say around the union is the quarterback club because it was them turning their back on the rest of the league. So then the NFL union came to be, and obviously they pitched propaganda videos on why they're important and all that stuff. The CBA obviously was a nightmare of a situation. But we got some breaking news right now, field yates. There's no way they'd be able to get people to agree in the mma world no way greg hardy is sleeping in a dormitory fighting every

single day i i don't think he's just looking for any way to make a living after what he's done in the past i think if they were if dana white was to tell him hey you either join the union or you get more work i think there would be, I don't know. The Dolphins have agreed to terms with the fifth pick in the NFL draft, quarterback from Alabama, Tua Tongvaloa, on a four-year $30 million deal with a fifth-year team option. Now, I believe another rookie deal came out a couple days ago that was fully guaranteed, which I thought was potentially going to be the trend moving forward. Rosenhaus negotiated a fully guaranteed. I think it was worth $24 million.

I forget who it was and how it was signed, but it was fully guaranteed. Now, Tua has come out four years, $30 million. Have no idea how much is in incentives. No idea how much is there. Rookie contracts are guaranteed now once they move the new rookie wage scale wage scale isn't it i don't i don't know if that's there's top picks you might have to look it up but i think that's what they did yes they don't get the crazy numbers they got before but the contract at least the first four i think is guaranteed uh if that's the case congratulations to two i'm making 30.275, $438. Who negotiated for that extra eight bucks?

I want to know about. Fifth-year team option. It seems like these deals are getting done much quicker now because of the slottiness, because of the CBA, because of the pre-CBA, post-CBA negotiations that have already been figured out. When you land here, this is how much you make. $30 million, still a hell of a payday for the fifth rounder derrick brown derrick brown is

the one who signed this weekend fully guaranteed i am still looking to see if every rookie yeah because whenever derrick brown signed this weekend for 24 million dollars it was a big deal that was fully guaranteed like it was added in the thing fully guaranteed 24 million dollar deal maybe two is fully guaranteed as well 30 million dollars not a bad piece of cheddar for the work you did at Alabama Tua. Yeah, it's not. But I know there's not nearly as much to negotiate because it's all slotted now. What is the team that always holds out? Was it Chargers?

Chargers hold out. It's some technicality in the fifth year or some guaranteed injury option. What is it? Yeah, I don't know. It's always something. I should look into it more, but I haven't. But I would assume it's a guaranteed money and in that verbiage and everything like that so i think it is still a little bit negotiated on what's guaranteed what isn't negotiated i would obviously take a little bit less money if it was fully guaranteed i mean that's smart business move

uh i would i would keep it moving with that this one yep so rap report said he gets a signing bonus of 19.6 million and that's all guaranteed. And then this article here says, this is from Yahoo, all first-round picks receive full guaranteed signing bonuses. First-round contracts also include a fifth-year option, meaning the teams can add another year to the term at a higher salary. Okay, so there we go. So he got $19 million guaranteed, $30 million over its total.

Good for Tua making that cake, making that chat up, bought his mom a new car, and he signed a deal with Adidas. Tua has become a business. Tua is a quarterback in Miami, and I think good things are going to happen for old Tua after he gets past a couple freak injuries that happened in college. When do they insert him into the lineup to start? I hope not until like week eight or nine.

Aren't they playing the Bengals like week 13 or something? He's got to be in by then. Has to be. And that's why they probably put it at week 13, by the way. They're like, all right, Joe will have 12 weeks under his belt. Hopefully this will be past the Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tua Tongvaloa handoff. That is going to inevitably happen. Put him in there week 13.

I think Tua is going to have a hell of a time at Miami. I think he's going to be very good. I think he has the right mindset to go down to Miami. I've talked to a couple of players that have played in Miami. It's not easy. There's a lot of options in Miami. It's very easy to get distracted when you're a Miami Dolphin. It feels like Tua is mature enough for the thing.

It feels like he's got a big enough chip on his shoulder with all the shit that was said about him. I feel feel like two is going to be a good player donna or miami would it be easier to play in miami or in vegas for the raiders oh jesus i have a self-ban on vegas why what happened last time it's just every not last time it's every time you know the movie hangover no i've never heard of it. That happens every time I'm in Vegas. Just like something along those lines. Which guy are you?

Whoever's having the best time. I've been to the hospital that they were at numerous times. I've found my friends in places. I mean, it's just everything. It's just I can't. I just can't do it. I have a self-ban on Vegas. What if you were from another country?

You've never been to America. I can't wait to go see the great U.S. And you just go to Vegas when you're 21 years old. And you're like, oh, I love America. This is amazing. I always think about that. And then what if they're dropped into New York City? New York City is nothing like Indianapolis, Indiana, or Columbus, Ohio.

And I feel that way about myself. I've been to France before. I know what the French people are like. Well, I've been to Paris. It's like, have I? Well, I wonder what the out in the middle. You can always get those things. But I couldn't fathom if your only taste of America was Las Vegas.

I could not even fathom what you think of this country. By the way, great time. I mean, it is a great. It's too much. It's too much of a good time. You just have to kind of turn yourself on. Like, listen,. It's too much. It's too much of a good time. You just have to kind of turn yourself on. Like, listen, I can't go there. It's too much of a good time.

It is. Oh, my God. I'm starting to think about it now. The party pit. You know, the party pit. Get it going. Can't do it. I've heard there's another Vegas that people go to.

Like the Mormons go to. And there's another side of Vegas that everybody, you go to shows, you go to some steakhouses. It's like when people live in Vegas, they're like, yeah, I haven't been to the Strip in forever. That's for tourists. They have their own spots. Yeah, and they're terrible.

I've been to their places. They're not great. Well, I guess if you live there full time, though, you may get burnt out a little bit. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. By the way, they have great golf courses, from what I've been told. You're going to out a little bit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. By the way, they have great golf courses from what I've been told. You're going to love the golf courses. State of the world class golf courses.

There are shows. I've been to a couple of Cirque du Soleil shows. Great time. Great time. But I've heard there's people that just golf, go to shows, go to great restaurants that they have out there. They shop. And then they go to sleep.

Play blackjack too. I don't think the people that do what I just said play blackjack. You don't think so? I think they stay away because once you get to the blackjack table, then all of a sudden it's like, okay, you want a drink? And I'm like, yeah, I'll take one. Thank you so much. And then before that thing's even done,

said person who offered you a drink has already been back twice. They're like, hey, you want another drink? I'm like, yeah, this one's about done said person who offered you a drink has already been back twice So hey you want another drinker? Once about done I'll do it and then all of a sudden you've got a conga line coming on his table right now And then music starts playing and then they start playing your favorite song and it's like well what? What the fuck's going on? Okay, we're getting back into this thing Then you win a hand or two all the sudden you're tossing out nickels and dimes You're starting to really you're starting to split queens because that's what kings do. And then everything just starts running into the night.

And then you've met people from your day or the night before. And they're like, hey, Pat, what's going on? We've got a big thing going on over here. Okay, I'll go over here. Bang, you get put up on a stage. You start Stone Cold Steve Austin-ing beers in Calvin Harris' face. And then all of a sudden, you go to another place. And then you get carried to the bathroom because you've got to pee pee and there's such a long line by the bouncers because you tip

the bouncers which is the right people to tip you don't tip the waitresses you tip the bouncers they'll get you in everywhere you need to go Emmett write that one down for you whenever you grow up and then you just you you pass out eventually and then it's like oh you got people showing up at your room hey pool party's about to kick off. You got a cabana. You paid for it last night. You're going to love it. Just sober up out there. We'll bring you lunch.

And then you get out there. Food starts coming. A blackjack table somehow shows up. And then all of a sudden it gets going and Rick Ross is rapping too. And then it's just like, oh no, here we go. The train gets a rolling and all of a sudden you pass out again.

Then you wake up and then you put it on repeat. And then you get on a plane and you barf in a garbage bag on a southwest flight feeling like a piece of cattle right next to a sweet old lady who somehow experienced the same exact city in a polar opposite fashion and you decide you know what i can't do it anymore i'm never fucking going back it's a hell of a story i mean you're talking professional athlete pat m McAfee, not college student Pat, right? College Pat and everyone out there. You don't want to go.

I went on my 21st birthday, and I'm like, okay, what do we do? Like, it's $1,500 to get a table at this place. It's three-bottle minimum. The bottles are $900 a piece. I realize, like, what are you supposed to do? So, like, we're going to dive bars trying to find drink half-empt like it's impossible if you're not like a professional that has a little bit of money my i've spent a lot of money in vegas and i've won a lot of money in vegas too by the way oh my first time there i won like 20 grand i think why jack yeah it was stupid it was like

that how much how much you playing per hand? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. We got pretty going there. You know, I don't have the MJ level of blackjack, but I have played some blackjack in my day pretty well. I mean, if you if you won 20 K, that means you're probably willing to lose 50. No, no, no. False. I was on a heater. Soon as I landed, got in there and just started going on a heater. And I'm a press guy. Like, I'm going to False. I was on a heater. Soon as I landed, got in there and I just started going on a heater.

And I'm a press guy. I'm going to press. You know what I mean? And all you got to do is win if you like six hands in a row and all of a sudden you're in a different spot than you were. Yeah, you are not a loose big guy. How did you find a way to walk away though when you were 20? I have an ability to walk away.

Like whenever I've won the game, I have an ability to walk. I've never lost a lot gambling. I've a lot i've lost for sure i've lost a lot in an attempt to win a little bit more but i never lose a lot and i have the ability to walk away while a winner and i have the ability in vegas to walk away leaving my money on the table yeah and just not getting it until six seven hours later when i walk back down and the pit boss goes hey pat and i go oh my god i was here earlier oh yeah you were here earlier yeah sir here's ten thousand dollars that you left on the craps table oh that's thank you so much sir let me put that into my uh fanny pack i'll be back late you know where you'll find i'll be back here

later pal he's like yeah you. We got your spot right here. And then you played with the wet money the one time. They didn't want to take it, but then the pit boss came over and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is our guy. Even though it's still good, I'll take it. This is our guy. Yep.

Same pit boss the next day. I somehow ended up in a pool with my fanny pack that had a lot of money in it. I go back to said craps table. I want to get a little loose here with the die. Can we please get going? Dealers at the table are like, we can't take your money sir it is drenched guy goes that's pat take his drenched money and we're probably gonna end up giving him a lot more turns out i got very cold at that particular time they took all my wet money that day i should have left but i mean yeah i can't go to vegas it's just not a place i can go to it's too much too much who's the magician you guys want to go see hi frankel las vegas chris angel how was he uh i don't know how to say this i don't want to

the show is disgustingly terrible well okay did did everybody think that because he does that show every day like seven eight times a week doesn he? He forced us into a standing ovation. Okay. We weren't able to get out of there unless we did a standing ovation for him. And he took a picture of it. I mean, it was just. How do you force someone into a standing o? Can't leave.

Show will not end until everybody's on their feet clapping. Not a bad move, by the way. Is there an announcement that says that? It's Chris Angel. He's saying it to you on the stage. Excuse me. And then he got out this saw that was about the size of this sign here might have been even a little bit bigger

this sign here which i'll stand up next to it here it was a little bit bigger than that and he had this saw going and you could it was spinning so slow like you could see the individual blades and he was like i'll I'll cut through this woman if everybody stands up and gives me their energy or whatever and me and AQ were like bro this has been a terrible show we're just trying to get out of here we're we're at the point now where we're hung over right so we're just trying to get out of there we're in the second row or whatever he's like everybody's got to stand he's got some die hard fans next to us that are like at this point nudging AQ like telling him to stand up or whatever.

And AQ's like, I'm going to fucking kill this goth kid. So they're like, stand up, stand up or whatever. I want to feel your energy. Something might go wrong or whatever. And he's like, oh, it's like the way he says it. So me and AQ stand up, right? We're clapping and we see the fucking camera person come out from the back. Criss Angel standing like this and they take a, standing ovation, tweeted it out that night.

Another standing ovation for Criss Angel. It was like, oh, my God, we were literally told that the lady was going to die if we don't stand up. Anyways, cuts through the thing with that blade. It was like this fast here. And then a spark shot up, and then they moved it, and then they said it and then they said that's it thanks so much and they walked off the stage and doing the standing ovation that created an illusion that it was a sold out crowd yes yeah that's the marketing yeah standing ovation another standing out here man i hope there's not a there's not a whole lot of other performers out there that do

the same thing he was mailing it in too i could tell he was at and now granted i think i've seen some documentaries where he was mailing it in he was getting I could tell he was at it. Now, granted, I think I've seen some documentaries where he was mailing it in. He was getting tired. I think we saw that show where it was just like – because I watch Criss Angel. Oh, yeah. I watch it on A&E all the time. I was a big Criss Angel fan. That particular show, though, was a tough watch. Tired Angel.

Tired. Yeah, I think he was just tired. Fallen Angel. Well, think about it. If you're doing the same – like, obviously, it's a dream if you're a magician to be that big. You get TV shows. But if you have a residency in Vegas and you're doing the same show, sometimes probably twice a night for five, six days in a row, say you're there for a year or two, how sick of that same exact show would you be?

It's a magic show. You can't go off script and freelance a little bit. It's all set up. I will tell you this. I can't be a stand-up comedian for a lot of reasons. I'm not clever enough first of all uh but second of all i i had to tell my stand-up set on new more than one occasion only two times in my life and by night three for both of them i was sick of the when i

was telling the stories and the crowd was laughing i was getting the point where i was like how the fuck are you laughing at this this is not funny funny. Like in my head, I was like, let me just get through this story, forgetting that they had never heard the story. So I have no idea how comedians have the ability to deliver the story with the same energy and passion every single time. I couldn't, literally by night three,

I was like, I fucking hate this. See, but even sitting side stage and listening to it, by the third time you telling it, it was so much better to me. that's and that's what the comedians say they say it's like a baby that you kind of like kind of grow and kind of coddle and move up and i can respect that thought and how it's a craft and everything like that but for me my energy would get a bit tired bit tired of it and i couldn't imagine think of those comedians that were going around playing clubs before the age of the internet.

Some of those guys carried the same act for like 20 straight years. Oh, I know, I know. And they're going to, I'm not saying anything. It's an art to be able to fake the enthusiasm like when you're year nine into the same joke. Yeah, but they do though.

And they're now like noted voices in the comedy world. Yeah, but they do, though. And they're now, like, noted voices in the comedy world. Who? Who's carrying the same act still for that long? You can't really do that as much now. Well, there's not a lot of people that still perform, right? That performed back in the day? No. Yeah, that's exactly right.

That's what I thought. Because they got exposed. Yeah, the cream rises to the top, right? Amen. Hey! Amen. Just to the top, right? Amen. Hey, amen. Just like what you did right here. You know what's weird is every once in a while, I'll be talking to you on the little screen where I can see you,

and I see my face in that picture, and I think that's my shot that I have. I think it's like really me. Every once in a while, you do. I will say every once in a while, we do get this particular look on the show from your side yeah do you hear about zion's ex-agent gina is this not extortion blackmail like what is this this is public extortion by gina now she wants it's illegal right well she's the worst this lady is the worst and i'm not just saying that because i know nothing about her i She's the worst human on earth.

Like you sign Zion to be his marketing person. You're the person probably negotiating said Nike and Adidas deals to attend Duke. You're the one probably making this all happen. Now, whenever he decides to move on because you weren't as good of an agent as somebody else in his eyes. Now you're trying to what? Tear down not only down the not only Zion not only Zion's family all of college basketball hey China take a hike lady okay you lost this is the way business goes if you're not good at business you need to just find other clients and

hopefully not it up with them now granted she knows that Zion's gonna make probably a billion dollars in his life at some point Zion is a very marketable person nice kid he's electric to watch all this stuff she's not going to be happy to watch that but that's how that business goes like that's how the agency business goes that's how marketing goes you it comes and goes if you're not good move on to the next one you only get a certain amount of time to make money and now gina's like you're giving me 100 million dollars or or listen you don't have to give me 100 million dollars if you just talk about all the wrongdoings that we did together. I hate this China lady.

It just seems illegal to me. And it's kind of like when, say, there's a college athlete who is really good, say, during his junior year, and an agent comes to him and starts giving him like a $20,000 watch and giving him some cash under the table. Well, that agent is counting on you, that player, signing with the agent once you become eligible, once your college is over. And if you don't, they can say, well, hey, I can turn you in real quick.

And if the kid was smart and had an agent come back to him, like, cool, do it. I don't care. Like, I'm in the league now. You can do whatever you want. Well, all of college basketball is going to take a hit from this, though, if the NCAA wants to. It seems like it, doesn't it? Because if if you watch this i talked about this earlier today and the other day if you watch that netflix thing called the scheme i believe it's called the scheme yeah

hbo what's his name christian dawkins christian dawkins from detroit was basically talking about how he was the point man for all these teams and players and uh shoe deals and all the money that was getting handed out and stuff like that and he was talking about how if it's not me, it's somebody else in another area. So I think the basketball landscape is much different than every other sport. I think in those AAU tournaments and wherever, whenever they're younger. They get their hooks in deep when the kid's like seven years old because these leagues, too, all of the great players travel around and play all summer in these AAU leagues.

They're sponsored by Adidas, by Nike. It's a weird world how it works out, and I'm sure they're allowed to give them jerseys and their shoes that they play in. But I don't know. It's just such a weird world when they have a relationship with these superstars when they're in fifth grade. What the fuck?

I told them to keep it down. Do you hear that? No. There's a lumberjack on our fucking ceiling right now. What are they doing? We have no idea. It was supposed to be a one-day thing last week and then it became an entire week thing.

Three weeks. And now it's been a month. I mean, they're taking the entire quarantine to try to hack a hole into one particular spot in our sky, I think. It doesn't make any... Whatever. They got to do what they got to do. They got to get better. And we're looking at other buildings anyway so let's

move forward though but this is all to sell shoes i think it seems like it all revolves around which shoe company is going to get which superstar in the future now granted the coaches they want their players but that's all coming from the shoe companies as well because teams are different sponsored by different shoe companies the basketball world is one where this G League thing can become a real viable option, I think, especially if shoe deals start going to these guys that are going to the G League, which are only inevitably going to happen in TV deals

and salary cap goes up. I think the G League is going to be a real problem for Mark Emmert and the NCAA. And I think Zion getting sued here by Gina and then counter-suing, I think this is going to expose it and probably expedite it all even more i can't wait to see how it all plays out like i want to know how deep it

does go we know there's all kind of stuff going on behind the scenes but like how rampant is it and is it they're like average guys getting stuff i think so now the the kid that's going in for the last what 35 seconds when it's a blowout i I don't think they're getting anything But I would assume that most of the starters Everywhere that matter have been getting money probably since there were children for from different shoe company I would assume and I think that's just kind of the way it goes and now giant is coming out about to expose it All it's gonna could potentially burn the entire house Think how easy it would be to continue to accept money. Say a shoe company or whatever.

People started taking care of your family when you were in the sixth grade. At first, they were probably like, oh, this is kind of weird. Is this illegal? I don't know. I'm barely in middle school. And then as time goes and you become a bigger and bigger star and you start accepting money from multiple different people, it's probably just a normal thing. Like like what do you mean every all my buddies that are good players too on my au team like this dude's got a house that dude got a ferrari like all kind of stuff has to happen

yeah like every christmas you know you got adidas's gifts you got nike's gifts maybe every once in a while converse will try to sneak in the back door maybe hey puma deodora coming in there fila you know all the boys showing up. What is it? Didn't D Wade, did he have a shoe like it was a Chinese shoe? Yeah. Well, let's not even think about Starberry, too, now. When Starberry comes. Still there.

Dada's. When they come knocking, you got to jump on there. Dada's, yeah, of course. Sprewells, yeah. Sprewells, yeah. Ooh. A Rod Spinner's. Will there ever be a player in the nba that they don't has the

signature shoe that even is one 50th of what jordans are oh yeah popularity oh yeah braun braun i wear braun braun shoes all the time kobe's good shoes kobe's got kobe's kobe's the closest wait till yannis gets in there he's only got one pair out i think one design they are good but nothing will be like Jordans. I mean, that's a whole entire world in and of itself. The sneakerhead department has lived. Kanye, the Yeezys, there we go. Not another player, but Kanye, the Yeezys, I think,

have demanded a similar amount of market as the Jordans in a relatively fast time somehow. I think that has been something. But aside from that, I think the market's been too diluted by this point unless we get some you know some deodora sponsorship that really gets going people are gonna want our deodoras yeah have you ever had deodoras no yeah i had them in high school and i posted a picture of me wearing them and they got a lot of love by a lot of people like i have no idea what a Deodora is. Can you pop a picture up? I forgot I even had them, by the way.

Oh, they're good shoes. I forgot I even had them on. They were my cleats in soccer. I wore Deodoras. They had good patent kangaroo leather, I believe. I think they had, that's why I wore them

because I got fat feet. You see, I got really wide feet so I can't fit into all the skinny stuff that a lot of people have. Did you put it up on the screen here? Z's working. Here we go. It's from the Instagram.

Oh, those are shit. That's not the ones. Those are not the ones. I just typed in Deodora. Those are dope. Can you go to my Instagram and just pull up that? Oh, yeah. I mean, they look like what my mom wore when she was teaching step aerobics.

Those are in now, by the way. What your mom she was teaching Step aerobics Those are in now by the way What your mom wore while teaching step aerobics Are now in and your mom actually taught Step aerobics What is that that's just like Back when I was big like at Vic Tanny Those big workout places What do you do

I don't know I think you like choreograph an hour with music and everything And tell them like you gotta do it Like step up to the right and side shuffle, jump. So, square dancing? I think five push-ups is next. Step aerobics is square dancing? Hey, Copperhead Road comes on, fucking everybody step aerobic, and it's within a four or five-mile radius.

Look at those shoes right there. There's the Diodorus. See those bad boys? Good. All right, Frozen. He's frozen. He's frozen. Oh, my God.

Look at how locked in he is. All right, let's do it. Fucking staring contest. You won. Good win. Great win. 2-0 now. Fucking right I am.

Those Diodoras got a lot of love in the comment section. They look comfortable. They're very comfortable. I say if we were a different company, we would have gave away AJ Hawks' number there. Oh, ESPN kind of put us in a bad spot. ESPN was FaceTiming with Trevor Bauer. Is that right? Is that his name?

Trevor Bauer? And they hung up on his FaceTime or he hung up on the FaceTime and it got all over the ESPN. He has since changed his voicemail into a game. I love that. Good idea. Way to adapt and overcome by Trevor Bauer.

I think he might be my new favorite player. And I have his phone number already, so might as well start texting some bitch. What is the... There's like a lot of these celebrities have these phone number things. What is that? Somebody with that is like Tim Tebow. zito's got tim tebow's number text me yeah the text it's the real number it's definitely the real number i get one from cavallari all the time we just go

oh traitor i do because i uh bought a gift off of there one time off of her from her shop and now i get texts all the time well we're on jay cutlerler's side. Well, yeah, we're definitely on Jay's side. Everybody knows we're on Jay Cutler's side. We made a hundred some fucking million. Let them chill for a minute, huh? Jesus Christ. What were we talking? Did you see the Diodoras before you froze there?

I beat you in a staring contest, by the way. You're welcome. Yeah, I did. Are they just soccer cleats or what are they? Yeah, they were just soccer cleats and then they ventured into the real world. But I don't think anybody ever gave Deodora enough love or credit like my comment section did. Look, there's one right there.

Look at those boots, though. I mean, there was a bunch of people that were like that. I mean, it was next level. Kevin Littleman, by the way, one of my teammates in high school soccer. Good guy. Really fast. Faster than I was. Yeah, he was.

He was. He's a good guy. Good dude. Chef. what position did you play in soccer all of them that's real depending on what level of fitness i was at you know what i mean if i was was that like a game by game thing no it was like a year by i mean i don't know when i played cup soccer i I played striker. That's goal scorer, right? Amen. When I played ODP, I played middle back because I was a big Donkey Kong-like guy. I could hit the ball a long way. ODP, Olympic Development Program, obviously.

I played middle back there. I played goalie a couple times for the high school team. Yeah, I was all over the yard. Cup, I played up top. High school, I played up top and goalie a couple times for the high school team. Yeah, I was all over the yard. Cop, I played up top. High school, I played up top and goalie. I mean, I played all over the yard, depending on what the game called for. Good for you, man. You should get in one of those adult intramural leagues.

I see them happening all the time at these big indoor facilities where my daughter plays. There's old guy leagues where dudes are wearing Timberlands and flannels playing. It's awesome. I want to join. I've been wanting to do that very – I used to play in the offseason. I played in a league back in Pittsburgh in the offseason

that nobody really knew about. I wasn't really – So if you got hurt, you're going to have to limp into the Colts facility and act like you did it there? Oh, yeah. What is it? GPSL I think is what it was called. It was called the GPSL back in Pittsburgh.

I played a couple games, played in a couple tournaments. We won. Shout out to us. Harmerville. Harmerville, yeah. And my first game back, they played like each week. They had games on like Sunday. So I'd go back to Pittsburgh in the off season to have like a good time.

That was where I used to vacation at because that's where all my friends were at. I'd go back. We'd party. And then Saturday night, somewhere out, they'd be like, hey, you want to come to the game tomorrow? I'm like, sure. And they're like, bring your cleats. We'll get everything else.

I'm like, you got it. So they would bring me shin guards, socks, the whole thing, and I'd play as some random person, and I would be different because they would check your ID and everything before the game. I was some random person. I was just out there playing. I played like five, six games in two tournaments in the offseason.

I was pretty good. The first game back, I gave up a very easy goal. I was playing middle back, and I went to pass the ball, and I like duffed it, and it went right to to the guy and he just scored right in my face and my friends were not happy you son of a bitch you're coming to sabotage our entire thing you stink blah blah blah i figured it out though i got back into the game i got in a better shape it kept me in good shape i would like to get back in one of those games but i'm scared now that people might know who i am they might go a little bit ham you know what i mean that's like i can't play pickup basketball because people are going to

go so much harder on me than they normally would that's just what's wrong with that i don't know if i'm ready for all that i don't want to you don't want to be great you watch jordan you've watched part seven and eight that's what i'm saying i don't want to have to get into that competitive i would like to just run around kind of have fun with it kick the ball around not expect much as soon as some guy comes in sideways, it's going to be like, okay, here we go. Now I have to go. And to be honest, I am not in good enough shape to do that.

So I might kill myself out there, but I have been looking into playing in an over 30 league. Can we Uncle Drew you? I don't think I'm that good at this point. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. We're just hiding it, though, more than anything. We do have that old man mask.

That's what I'm saying. It'd be tough to breathe and play in. Well, he couldn't see when he looked down. You remember I did that field goal kicking thing with the old man mask? Yeah. Okay, so we didn't try the old man mask on until 10 minutes before that whole thing. So I get there. I put it on.

It fits good. And we have no warm-up kicks, obviously, because we're back behind the thing. I get out on the field to do the first kick. I realize that when I look down to, you know, to kick the ball, the mass just slides up, right? So I was completely blindfolded, basically. So I would, like, have to look at the ball, and then I might as well just close my eyes and kick.

I kicked, what, seven, eight blindfolded kicks to raise $70,000. And the people that were in the crowd, they saw me miss a couple. They're like, boo this man or whatever. It was like, oh, I'm completely blindfolded at that point. Like, I have no idea where the ball is. Bad idea. Probably should have practiced a little bit more. But we raised $70,000.

Thank God the ball went in. There's the Bills punter saying, oh, damn, I can't believe the old man made it. Then I take the mask off. Place goes crazy. We raise money. Hallelujah. Let's keep it moving. Do you really think people thought you were a legit old man?

Oh, yeah, I think so. What about the people that were really on the field close to you? Vinatieri knew it was me as soon as I kicked the first one. I think a lot of the people who knew, and even some fans, I think, as soon as they saw me kick the first one, they knew. But I do believe they thought I was old man there for a little bit. I couldn't see a fucking thing. The mask was literally just right on top of my eyes every time I looked down.

It was a very nice mask, though, and a great idea by the Indianapolis Colts. In particular, Blue, who's the mascot, he thought of this particular idea. That is a great idea. Would it have been weird if you were taking your mask off and there's like a real little smattering and people are like, who's that? Who is that guy? Yeah, that would have been. I mean, that was ultimately, you know, that's what wrestlers say.

Look at this guy. Hey, Pat, good to see you. Good to see you too, pal. Hey, what's going on, bub? Hey, nothing. See you later. That was actually Bill Tierlink, John Tierlink's son right there that hugged me at the end.

John Tierlink just passed away, actually. Legendary defensive line coach who was with the Indianapolis Colts for a long time a man who could drink 75 beers in one night if he wanted to a man who would coach from a golf cart a man that was respected by everybody has passed away rest in peace to him that's his son Bill Tierlink who currently coaches

for the Buffalo Bills good people, rest in peace to him but what a day should have tried that mask on a little bit earlier though I think if you ever do something with a mask aj i think people know it's you because of the the jaw but you should practice beforehand beforehand okay i'm trying to think of a scenario where i would be in a situation with a mask on in public doing something athletic but i'll think about it maybe we have you go to like a juco you know what i mean just do what jared goff did that.

Did you see that when he was at Red Bull? Oh, yeah. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, we could dress him up as an old man and have him just destroy somebody on a golf course into a pond or something. That'd be cool. Oh, my God. Like it's a golf outing that happens already.

Maybe he finishes the job on Hearn Street. Yeah, yeah. What'd you say? Maybe he finishes off Hearn Street once and for all. Hey, you retired him. Might as well put him to fucking bed, yeah. What'd you say? Maybe he finishes off Herb Street once and for all. Hey, you retired him. Might as well put him to fucking bed, pal. Hey, so Monday Night Football seems like it's coming down to you or Herbie and Fowler.

It's not. I did an entire thing this morning. I can't do it again. It's not. Just saying. I've been told so many excuses on why I would not. It doesn't matter. They're just trying to drive your rate down.

They need a big splash name that's a polarizing figure, and that would be you. Well, my rate's not going down because there's a Brinks truck coming in three days. So my rate is not going down anywhere, and I'm at the point now where, am I at the point where I'm done with it? You getting close?

I don't know. I'm getting close. It's like, come on. Come on. It's already mid. I mean, they're going to make a decision pretty quick. Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully. At least they told Bo. I mean, they're going to make a decision pretty quick. Yeah. Hopefully.

Hopefully. At least they told Booger and Tess they weren't coming back because it was almost like everybody knew. They're trying to get every person they can possibly get, but technically Booger and Tess were still the crew, but at least they've made that public. You know, I think they knew. Right?

They knew, but it was still weird when it wasn't officially announced like we weren't going to be there. That's why this weekend when that news came back out i was very surprised i was like i thought we already all knew this right didn't we already know this whenever they tried to throw 20 million dollars at payton and tony romo and drew breeze and i thought we already knew that but i guess the official statement hadn't been made and to be honest we might have thought it was new because i have said like hey hey, if there's a chance to get in that booth, I wouldn't mind getting in that booth. But all the excuses that I've been told, they've been different every single time. Listen, I have had the taste of denial before, my friend,

and it feels like this was it. So every time I start getting tweets and stuff like that, I finally got to a point where I was like, listen, I would love the job. I appreciate you guys tweeting me. You're the greatest humans on earth if you think that I should do that job because I think that as well. But there is no chance it happens. I've already asked a bunch of times, and it's just like, meh. Meh, sorry we want a quarterback. Meh, sorry we want a Hall of Famer.

Meh, sorry we want somebody more polished. Meh, sorry we don't want a guy whose name is Patrick. Any other name, we're in a bad spot. It just feels like there's only so many excuses they could potentially make. I think I have a feeling on what they're going to do, I think. What, Kurt Warner? No, they said they're going to hire with him because of the whole ESPN Disney pay cut thing that's going on right now.

Yeah. I think it's going to be Orlovsky. I mean, see, it's he or Louis Riddick, maybe a three-man booth. Who knows what they do? I think Orlovsky's going to be in there, and I think it's going or Louis Riddick, maybe a three-man booth. Who knows what they do? I think Orlovsky's going to be in there, and I think it's going to be Steve Levy, which, by the way, Steve Levy, Dan Orlovsky, myself,

and Adam Amin called the national championship. Adam Amin's at Fox. I'm going to be on YouTube, and the other two get Monday Night Football. Quite an interesting scenario. It's my life, though. Yeah. Quite a lot. I'll be watching.

I haven't given up. I think that you are definitely in play. Well, listen. They've been said that they're not going to... I don't know. Do you think they would enjoy the fact that they gave you the gig? If you're like, hey, man, I need a decent internet connection from 1 to like 2 30 because i do this youtube show from my hotel well that's the thing is i am loving what we're

doing on the youtube right now uh our my show in the morning our show in this afternoon i love this and by the way it feels as if we're beating the living fuck out of a lot of other people who have a lot more resources too so like i am enjoying this a lot like i i do not want to lose this at all at this point especially now granted if i would have been offered that gig you know like the fifth time they were turned down by somebody or something of that nature maybe i'd be more excited but the message i'm getting is like ah they want this they want this they want this and also they're not going to really be paying that much it's like well i got a staff okay i got employees we got a show it's better than a lot of other shows i enjoy doing the show the show is going to stay my friend and i'm not

100 sure they're all in on that either so i probably haven't made it easy for them to hire me if i had to guess but at this point i mean i have no chance of getting that gig anyways i'm going to invest in what i enjoy and that's what we do right here on the youtube aj that's smart i mean that's that's the the beauty that is the freedom right now that there is with all these different platforms like you can look what you've done look at all the groundwork that you have put in place and that you continue to do so yeah you can do what you want that's the beautiful thing bingo we can do what we want you know what we'll do by the way we'll stream live every single Monday night and

we'll get guests from the team's legendary guests and we'll just kind of see how that goes. You know what I mean? We'll go. Like a watch-along type deal. Bingo. Hey, bingo. Not fight companion. Monday night companion. This is the Joe Rogan model. Now granted, Joe Rogan, the UFC has a brain and they brought him in there like,

okay, this guy, hilarious, knows the sport, will probably hype things up and is also the best talk show host to ever exist. Let's get him in there. You know, maybe one day we'll get to that point where we get a chance to actually call real games. But until then, we'll do a Monday night campaign in. We'll bring in legendary guests during the game. We'll bullshit with them.

We'll watch. And we'll just make Monday nights a thing, and we'll have a good time with it. That's what we'll do. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's a good idea. I i mean i like that idea it works we'll have to set something up in my house though because

i'm not driving down here every monday night just want to let you know agreed lil wayne have you seen lil wayne radio no how is he doing he's got some sort of studio he's got some radio thing happening on apple they built him a studio i think in his house it is awesome oh he's got a big ass tv stephen a smith was on it with him last week he's he had eminem on last week where does this air uh it's on apple i don't know where i tried to find it last week i tried to find it because he was interviewing eminem and i thought a little way in eminem conversation is probably one i'd like to hear yeah and i tried to find it i hit four different links i couldn't fucking get to it yeah there it is there's the uh entire thing. He plays music, obviously,

as a DJ. Then he does interviews and then music and then the whole thing. But I couldn't find where the Eminem interview was happening at. Anywhere.

Shaq? He's got Shaq? DJ Khaled, Drake, and Shaq on that episode, I believe. Or you know what you could do? You could park that box truck in your driveway. Oh.

That box truck, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, man. I'll tell you what, man. I'll tell you what, man. Not as much room as we thought, man. A little bit tight in there. A little bit tight. But I would turn that box truck, that back of that thing,

into like a man cave-like feel. Yeah, you could. Could probably do that. Make it a little more comfortable. Yeah. Put a couple TVs up there. Gotcha. Yeah, and we already got the service thing in there,

so we would have to be able to go live. That's the move, AJ. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. Zito, one extra because he loves you. Hey, you know Pistol?

I saw him yesterday for Mother's Day, but he's my father, and he said he has two pairs of Shady Rays. He's had them for years. Or not years. He's had them for a long time. Hey, you know what? That's a good call. What he should get next, I'm thinking.

You know what I'm thinking he should get next, man? What's that? I'm thinking he should get a pair of. Bird dogs? No. Everybody talks about, you know, headphones. Oh, yeah. We are in a wireless headphone society at the moment.

Now, mine are at my house because I took them home to work out in. And to be completely candid, I did not expect them to be as good as they are. These E25 Raycon everyday earbuds with no dangling stems or wires, they fit my ear perfectly. You know how we have weird ears? We've talked about this. Yes, we do. They have multiple options for your ear hole okay it's like small next to small medium large extra large and you

put it in your ear and it's like uh you know back in the day whenever you would put like ear plugs in it kind of fits to your ear like that it was noise isolating and you know what it had the boom booms which is more i need the more bass. I need the boom booms. I need the boom booms whenever I'm listening to something, when I'm working out or whatever. I need to hear Jeezy and Ross going as hard as they possibly can and the Raycon E25 earbuds do that just as well. And they're half the price, by the way.

They got the boom booms, they fit perfectly, and they're half the price. I thought it was at max ear volume level. And I was like, okay, these are pretty loud. I need a little louder. I looked at my phone. My phone was only at half. I had to turn the phone up all the way.

And I heard the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I love the boom booms. I need the boom booms. You know what I mean? Is that how you turn your volume up? You do this on your phone and you swipe sideways? No, no, no. Well, on the side of the screen, you can see how high it goes, by the way.

You know that? Okay. Did you know that? Yeah, of course. You didn't know that? I just used the side button to click up. But you can click it one time and then you can actually use your finger, you see, to move. Oh, I've never done that.

Oh, look at me. Oh, well, well, well. Look at that. How about it? That was my fucking thought. What? Is that a framed picture? I still can't figure out what's the whole thing.

Someone came in and painted it on the wall. Tell that dude to get on some squats. Yeah, this guy's got dead legs, pal. It looks like Foxy's legs. I knew it was coming. AJ Hawk's face, Boston Connors upper body, and Foxy's legs. Not a bad little portrait. Wait, is the centaur a Picasso?

No, I don't think so. Is it? Could it be? Is it really? No way. I don't remember, actually. It definitely is. No.

You said it was a paper mache thing. Does Picasso sign it? The guy who did it, he signed it. You'll see. Norton's stroke game is that good. If a guy's boss. Okay, all right. all right now you've just challenged Picasso he has a lot of Picasso has a lot of Michael Jordan in him I feel if

someone sends him a clip there's gonna be a painting and a DVD coming to the house soon how about George Carl by the way uh just not saying hello to Jordan in his town in his restaurant just walking by Ahmad Rashad or Ahmad Rashad said that MJ said, oh, it's the NBA Finals and you think you're just not going to say hello to me? It's on. It's fucking on. Jordan said, that's all I need. Oh, cool.

It's all I need. It's the NBA Finals, by the way. That guy's outrageous. Think about just accidentally hanging around him for a day. Every single thing. Every single thing would be an honor. I used to be like that by the way that's how i know that that is potential you know i kind of grew out of it i think it was

uh the marijuana smoke but every single thing could have been a competition at any moment any anything could uh trash okay shoot five i'll shoot five loser has to uh uh fucking run around the house or something like my brother's life had to be miserable there for a while. Everything was a competition. I bet you Jordan is still like that to this day. Oh, for sure. Every single thing. Who can talk about the most sensitive subjects for the longest and not cry?

Break. There was one time we got back to your house and you wouldn't let us go inside until one of us hit the telephone pole with a snowball. Bingo. Who hit it? You did, of course. Thank you. Thank you. Well, they probably weren't trying at the end of it, by the way.. Who hit it? You did, of course. Thank you.

Well, they probably weren't trying at the end of it, by the way. They were probably just like, hurry the fuck up. Hit the thing so we could get out. It was. But I was... By the way, I'm not going to say it. I'm one of the best snowball throwers to ever exist. I am one of the best. Is that really what you

paused? I just thought about that. The fact that we had to wait is not normal i get a snowball that son of a is gonna hit i'm like a it's like we weren't supposed to be like a hot take show well that's not a hot take i'm just stating a fact i am a snowball savage i mean it's like chris kyle with me and those snowballs we're talking about sniper like what do you mean you put. You put some water over them so they're like an ice ball? No, because in Pittsburgh, we had good snow all the time. It was like moist. We had a naturally wet snow.

Yeah, we had good snow. And I realize that that's not normal everywhere, by the way. Once you come out to Indiana, there's a little bit more of a dry snowball. Fluff. By the way, I have competed against people that put rocks inside snowballs. I do not do that. I don't need that okay what i'm hitting you with is a pure clean pittsburgh soot-filled snowball that is going to be precision like throwing at your face that is what i'm coming for lake effects now yeah

yeah it's lake effects now lake erie by the way is the one we're coming from heard of it heard of it never it's the ian holmes yeah huron october yep michigan erie superior anyways october yeah where's october it's right there in between the h and the m oh yeah it's in canada oh you ever pee on a snowball and throw it at somebody no because then you melt your snowball then he can't you definitely have major you that's throwing yellow snow at people no i i haven't yeah okay you probably coat the outside with pee and try to hit the dude in the face probably rub their face in it all right that's never i i am a good clean snowball thrower that's what i like to do oh we heard yeah the best there is we heard I still believe that by the way I can't wait till Michael Jordan Hears that

He's coming Even this past snow season I was out in the front yard I was out in the front yard Just wanted to see If I still had it Fucking sniper Tree bing

Tree bing Tree bing Hey tell Tell your girl Next time that that happens Next snowfall I'm gonna have to Reach out to her and be like,

hey, please set a GoPro up in the side yard and watch Pat throw snowballs at trees by himself. It's sad. I'll get home, right? Because at the house where we grew up at, my brother and I, you get home and so you got to walk up steps. And once you get to the top of steps, we had a bunch of bushes to our left. And then there was a telephone pole like in between our house in the next house but

it was a little bit away I mean I Jay and I probably sat on those steps throwing snow at that telephone pole I probably more than a hundred hours of our life just doing that I would assume that's the case so now when I get home for some reason I have like a bush there I'll just like just natural instincts I just pick it up and I'll pick out a target. And then obviously once you hit one, you're like, oh, I'm throwing pretty fucking good today. Let's go for something else. Bird house.

Bing. Okay, let's go ahead and get another one. But you know, you just start going. It's like, still got it. That's good to know. If a big snowball ever fights out for the sake of humanity, I think I should be one of our representatives. That is all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, I concur. I'll put you up there well you gotta pack it too though if you don't pack most important part if you don't some people get it's why you got to get some some liquid in there to make it pack better well see i don't i didn't grow up any dry ass town i came from a town where the snow came ready to get thrown i didn't out here every once in a while we'll get a good snow And I think that's when I really start getting wild With the snowballs But when that dry ass snow

Is out there You just can't They start breaking up Whenever you have to You have to have Powder I'm a little bit nervous I can't wait to

I cannot wait to hear Old Emmett Is his name correct Emmett Go over the minutes Of these last seven minutes Earlier show Forgot to have him

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in my ear before. You know what I mean? Normally there's something that you can pull out. You just put that son of a bitch in there and it's just like for my ear it fit perfectly. Yeah, for weird ears. You're right. They should market for weird ears because I think you and I both share that. Nothing stays in there. Nothing stays in my damn ear.

Nothing. Can't do it. Won't do it. That's why when I had a hole in my eardrum i couldn't even wear the things that would clog my ear because the water would seep in and now all of a sudden i got green here or whatever for a week and a half it's fucking bullshit are you done with the show for today or what i'm just uh yeah no i'm not i'm sure we're we're we're wrapping up shortly, yeah, I'm just thinking, how old were you? When? When you had a hole in your eardrum. Me and Chris Kyle.

This is another thing we got along. So, you ever read Lentz or Sniper? The reason I'm laughing about this is because I don't picture you as a kid having this. I picture you as like a 28-year-old with a hole in your ear and you're freaking out when you can't go do gainers at a backyard pool party. Yeah, you're picturing it accurate. I was 21 whenever I busted my eardrum. Spring break, tried to fight a wave, wave busted on my ear. All of a sudden, we think it's clogged.

I go get that acid that's supposed to unclog your ear with water, burned a hole through the thing. Even further, thought I lit my brain on fire. Then we go back to the West Virginia and I say, hey, something's's up with my ear i think i got water in my ear or whatever they're like oh yeah you got a hole in it or whatever and i was like oh great so i couldn't hear anything it was like this for what a year at least and they couldn't do the surgery because you can't do anything for four weeks zero physical activity for four weeks it's like well i don't ever have that in my life so i just had to wait for my ear to cure itself didn't do it for like a decade and then all of a sudden like uh i what is that six seven months ago i go to an ear doctor and he

gives me some drops he's like we think we're on the back end of it thinks it's curing itself so for a long time i couldn't go underwater literally that's why whenever they said that i went swimming in the canal i was like i would never in a million years do that because i got a hole in my eardrum i wouldn't fucking go in water now did i fall in potentially but i'm not swimming anywhere because i literally can't swim anywhere because i had a hole in my eardrum for a long time it's it is devastatingly painful it is so bad but it can mess couldn't that mess up like your whole like your balance and everything kind of like vertigo yeah so that year that football year i couldn't hear anything out of my right ear right so that season it was just like i was listening in stereo, basically.

It was a fucking wild, wild time. But that's what you get whenever you're drunk on a beach trying to fight a wave. And it breaks. Is it a different crime in Indianapolis if you fall into the canal instead of voluntarily jump in and swim? These are all alleged. Okay? This was their story. I was just walking down the street whenever i was placed

in handcuffs and also what are those called around your shackles around the feet that that i was just walking down the street shirtless at 4 a.m whenever they caught me pal i don't know anything about that alleged canal incident they're the ones that alluded to the fact that i potentially went swimming that's why the story goes so big guy swimming in Canal drunk punter Colts bang TMZ wasted with six A's and and it's all alive I think it's all a lie I did have a bruise right here though I think I did fall in pretty hard but I just gotta be some kind of surveillance footage around of this I could have been sweating though I'm a dancer I could have sweat pretty hard I sweat I could have went into a Jacuzzi maybe maybe i went into a jacuzzi it was hot out nobody it was very cold actually it was like 29 degrees outside

so who knows who knows but i know i wouldn't go in there on purpose because the hole in my damn eardrum is devastating even drunk blacked out me wouldn't do that should have brought a doctor's note to court well it was just public intoxication the canal didn't matter that was just for their you know that was how they sensationalized the story so everybody yellow journalism clicks you know i mean get click click baby that's like billy tubes yeah the cops billy tubes click clack on the whole thing you know click click clack click clack click clack shout out to e25 rake on earbuds though honestly yes are we done with this show yeah i thought you wanted to do the minutes to wrap it up oh fuck good call oh my god i almost completely forgot emmett ladies and gentlemen we have an

intern his name is emmett he has some fresh jays on had a great weekend and these are the minutes from today's mcafee and hawk sports talk we started out talking about some UFC, talked about some fucked up faces, some Dave Cormier. Yeah. We talked about Greg. Daniel. That's it.

It's Daniel Cormier. Dave Cormier. What'd you get? That's a new thing, by the way. As soon as he makes a mistake, it's over. That's tough. Tough day. Tough day.

He didn't even get a chance in the first show. Sorry, Mitt. And then what? He didn't even get through this. in the first show sorry and then what he didn't even get through this uncle dave cormier that was a tough one cut it um he just signed his contract too just signed his contract jesus first of all congratulations congratulations. Steins' contract immediately gets worse. What happens? He got comfortable.

What happened there? You don't know who Dave Cormier is? No, I do not. I'm just getting into some fighting. Oh, you're starting to fight people? No, just watching it. I guess to Emmett's defense, we did refer to him as DC multiple times. Yeah. That's tough. He could have put

DC in there. But never once has Dave. DC would have been just taking a shot on Dave. Was Dave a guest? Dave is probably a guest, yeah. I don't know where I would have heard down. I respect the confidence to just throw Dave in there.

Yeah, I thought I was going to put DC in there. What's the most likely D name here? It's got to be David. It's got to be. I'll tell you what, a lot of the comment sections, rest in peace Emmett. Oh, my God.

A lot of people saying Emmett's potential on some vitamins, kid can't read. Oh, Emmett. All right, man. Oh, no. You know what? Emmett's going to come back tomorrow stronger Wednesday

It's like when Jordan got beat What was the first game he got beat And he came back and just annihilated her Well that was because old BJ Dawkins Or Hawkins Or Armstrong was screaming in his face He knew better than that is what MJ said This is Emmitt's going to be

Our intern minutes Michael Jordan A lot of people in the comment section saying he can't do it a lot of people in the comment section saying this kid can't listen type and then read at the same time Emmett's going to say on Wednesday I'll show you motherfuckers ain't that right Emmett yeah

is he skipping Tuesday or what yeah what do you say you didn't have class anymore no I have a two finals tomorrow oh big study night. What's the second one? Wait, online finals? Yeah. Yeah, he's had one since Saturday.

Can you Google all the answers? He's had one since Saturday. He hasn't even opened it. We asked him what one of the questions was. He couldn't even think about telling us. Right? Did they keep you? How did they not?

Can't you just cheat the whole time and get 100%? The ones that you have no a time or no time period is like basically a paper. And then the time period ones like – Will you get one of those essay questions out here right now? Can you do that? Mitt, pull it up. He hasn't looked at that test. He's been running heavy machinery all week.

I am so – He's got that big cat hat on. Hey, three for three with hats on. He's got good hats. Hey, and good shoes, too. Shoes as well. And the t-shirt. I mean, Emmitt's...

He's doing something right. His fits have it well. Emmitt slaughters the optics of intern, right? Oh, yeah. And his minutes haven't been that bad either, but we had to institute something. It was like, all right, how do we get... Because Emmitt's got a long list of minutes. It's like, we have to have him compete for something it's like okay first mistake he's done

and this just so happened to be the first time we really did it it was in his first sentence i mean that's tough we didn't even get to what 110 we didn't even get to 105 in the minutes it's all right do you have the question uh yeah it's pretty long okay uh so select one of the following questions and write about it on our last day together we tried to make maps of the semester's theories the goals to be able to beginning in the fall of 2016 all depaul first year students were required to take a course which has power privilege and diversity designated in order to fulfill requirements of graduation. We discussed a number of theories. Which do you address issues of PPD?

Write an essay that explains the PPD elements of several of these theories with an eye towards persuading a committee. Jesus Christ. Next one. The next one. Now they're giving you no hope. You got no shot. What's the next one?

Define an organization that constitutes a culture. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. How do you know they are a culture? What is the impact of communication on that culture? What was the impact of communication on that culture? What was the impact of communication on its formation or its current practice? That's the one.

Write about us. Mitt, write about your experiences here for Christ's sake. This is a culture. It's a toxic culture. How do you know this is a culture? Millions and millions. Finish each other's sentences sentences there's catchphrases the culture is one where you have to show up and work and if you're wrong you get punished

there's accountability there's a lot of things here we go let's get an a in the culture of pmi taking out perps and greens yep they kill aliens shot gang uh they got friends in aj hawk who reads a lot of books You should talk about that There's a guest that comes in Uncle AJ Who comes in with Thousands of books read You also have a picture of him

Taking a shit Right over the shoulder Of one of the culture I think that one's an easy one Oh yeah Oh my god Is that scored out of 10 Or what is it?

We will see I think that's about 30% of 30 points out of 100 Hey Emmett what defines culture? Oh, Jesus. Culture could be defined as... Wait, you're nailing it here.

Delaying? This is good. This is a good way to communicate. By what goes on at a place that... Nailed it. Happens. What is culture? That is the question. That is a good question. What goes on at a place that happens? What is culture? That is the question.

That is a good question. I think that would be great. You should pose that question back to the teacher. What is culture? You tell me, teacher. What culture are you referring to? Oh, my God. Emmett, you got no shot, bub.

Is there another question? If that takes up 30%, what's the other one? What's the other 70%? They were the two that you just told me to skip over. You're fucked, dude. Good luck. You have to do this by tomorrow. Pulling hard for this, kid.

Pulling hard for this, kid. There's no wrong answer to that question. You can make it whatever you want. Oh, my God. All right. Good one is for Thursday. You can make it whatever you want. Oh, God. All right. Good luck, Emmett. I hope you got to write all these by tomorrow. Yeah.

Well, those two or that test is due Thursday. I have an accounting test tomorrow, and then my Greek and Latin words class is also tomorrow. Oh, I want to see that test. The Greek and Latin words class. Oh, I want to see that test. The Greek and Latin one? I want to see him read that and go through some of the answers. This kid's got no hope. I mean, what are you going to... You got Madden at least, what, this afternoon?

When are you going to fit in time to do all these finals? I don't know. We got Madden League at 8 p.m. That's part of the toxic culture you can write about. Whoa. Hey. Hey. Whoa.

Hey, Jay. Jesus. I didn't bring it up. Was it Moroto, I think, said toxic culture? Yeah, it was Moroto. I didn't say toxic. I would never use that. It's unbelievable.

Come on. Son of a bitch. It's all fun and games, so get the toxic around here. Is this show over? Emmett, it's been a fun run to you in college, huh? Yeah, we got another year. Do we? Yeah, we will see.

Keep saying that. Keep saying it, pal. Maybe it'll come true. Might be taking the same one over again next year. I would like everybody in the comments section to drop an F for good luck for our guy Emmett going through. To represent his grade. From myself, AJ Hawk, and all the boys, we can't thank you enough on this Monday, May 11th, for watching McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk.

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Hoi! We're being joined now by a man who's once a general manager in the NFL, friend of the show, has done all things. Now he works for VEASAN. He has the GM Shuffle as a podcast. Big brain. Every time he talks, I learn something. Ladies and gentlemen, Paisan Michael Lombardi.

Thank you, Pat. That's awful. Nice to see you on a Monday. I appreciate you. Happy Monday. Have you been watching The Last Dance? Last night was awesome watching him just bury and ridicule his teammates saying, hey, you get to my level or you get the hell out of here.

Yeah. You know, I haven't seen last night's. I watched Billions instead. I'll come back on it tomorrow i tape it so i can go through the commercials but i'll get to it i i mean i loved it i think it's great i think the most ridiculous thing i've seen in the whole time is jerry kraus celebrating on the team plane after they beat detroit he was dancing yeah i love scotty pipp. Go sit down, Jerry.

I mean, like, seriously. You know, the one thing I learned being a GM in the NFL, I would never go in the locker room or near the play. Like, that was their sanctuary. Smart. You know, you can't go in there, especially for the guy that controls their money, right? You know, because they're not going to like you no matter what happens, right?

So, to me, he looked like a huge fat fan doing that. Oh, BFS. We call those big fat stooges around here. But, yeah, you're 100% right. Kraus has been the BFS of that entire thing. But watching the insides of them be competitive, ultra, I mean, it's, by the way, I'm picking up holding cigars now because I feel like it makes me a little bit more like Jordan.

I'm getting right to the top. Let's talk about football, a thing that you know very well, including contracts, controlling money, which you just referenced. Stephen Jones this weekend on Pro Football Talk PM made a quote basically about the analytics and the data that says if a quarterback takes up too big of a salary cap percentage, that decreases your chances to win, which I've been on this kick for a long time whenever you saw Russell Wilson have success with the Legion of Boom they he was on a rookie contract they were able to build up around him have a lot of success the Rams whenever Jared Goff was on his rookie contract they were to build up around him have a lot of success the Colts

whenever we had luck could have built up around him had a lot of success I thought that the model was going to be young quarterback build build the team up around them, then whenever it's time for him to get re-upped or made man, can he win the games all by himself? If he can, let's pay him. If he can't, let's go with the younger model. Do you think Steven Jones is buying into that? And is that potentially what the future of the NFL is going to look like?

You know, I think Steven can get himself out of most problems with his cash flow. So I think they're a unique situation. But I think where they gain a huge advantage is they draft really well. I mean, they have a really good player personnel department. I think the examples, look, everybody talks about Russell Wilson on a light contract. But that draft that John Snyder had the first time he was in Seattle gets Cam Chancellor in the fifth round. All of a sudden, he gets Cam Chancellor in the fifth round, gets all of a sudden, he gets, you know, Richard Sherman in the fifth. He gets a bunch of really good players in one single draft.

And I think that's what you have to have. You've got to be able to draft really well. And even if you have to pay your quarterback, you still, you have to draft well. It isn't about just, it's easy. Okay, we've got a cheap quarterback. We're going to make our run no you got to be able to draft really you have to have a marquee draft you got to have a draft that separates you the Patriots Hernandez Bronk you know you got to have one of those things and then you can get to the next level assuming you have the quarterback and the Cowboys draft really well the Cowboys are they were 31st in the National Football League last year in close games. Those are games decided by seven points or less. They couldn't win those games. They had the worst special teams in all of football.

Everybody gives Dak so much crap. But if they fix those two areas, they'll be much better. The other thing they did that I thought was really smart, signing Andy Dalton and all this nonsense from Dez Bryant and everybody saying that's a slap at Dak. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life, okay? Donovan McNabb saying it's disrespectful. No, they just went into Philly last year.

If you remember, Dak had a bad shoulder. And he got injected before the game. He got injected at halftime. They lost the game, right? Right? They lost that game because they weren't going to put Cooper Rush in the game. They couldn't do that. That was a guaranteed loss. Had they had an Andy Dalton, maybe they would have played Andy Dalton that week and tried to beat the Eagles

with their backup quarterback. This was not a slap at Dak Prescott. They're going to pay Dak Prescott ridiculous money. They're going to pay him ridiculous money. It was that signing of Dalton was to protect themselves as a Super Bowl contending team to have have an ability if they lose Dak for a game or two, they can play. I think having a quality backup is something that you I don't want to say a necessity in the NFL, but it gives you a lot more, you know, ease to sleep at night knowing that if your guy that you're banking on goes down for a couple weeks look matt moore i don't want to say the guy is a stud quarterback but last year whenever patrick mahomes goes down matt moore comes in a veteran quarterback was able to get them some wins same thing with teddy bridgewater for the saints it feels like

these teams that have a pretty solid backup quarterback especially even get them at a good rate three million dollars for andy don't i feel like it's a good rate it can go up to seven i don't think that changes anything with dak but i do believe them talking like that stephen jones saying that type of stuff is that them setting up leverage here in their negotiation with dak even more or why is he even saying that you think well i i think what he's trying to do when this comes out that they're going to make dak the highest paid player in football he's trying to protect himself against himself against the now they've ruined their chances of winning because they gave all this money to Dak. Okay.

I think that's what he set himself up. The problem between Dak and the Cowboys is not over money. It's over length. Dak wants four years. He wants another taste of the apple. The Cowboys want five. Eventually, Jerry will get it done because Jerry, as I've said before, could talk a cat off the top of a fish truck.

So eventually, he's going to get it done because Jerry, as I've said before, could talk a cat off the top of a fish truck. So eventually he's going to get it done. The reality here is I think that every move they've made is to protect themselves because they've got a really good football team. And when you look at the Eagles' schedule compared to the Cowboys' schedule, that Eagles' schedule has a cluster of games that are really hard, October and December, clusters where you're playing three or four teams in a row that are hard to play. The Cowboys don't quite have that as much.

So, you know, for the betting public that listens to this show, I love the Cowboys on the over. I love the Eagles on the under. Okay, so let's – thank you for that, Fando. I'll be able to hammer that right after this show. I lost a lot of money this week on the UFC. Bet all the underdogs, only a couple showed up for me. But let's go back to what you were talking about, the draft,

because you said a name there that made my eyes light up, obviously. Aaron Hernandez. Could you fathom if that man could have figured out a way not to kill people, how good the Patriots would have been with him and Gronk? He was better than Gronk, right? I mean, isn't that kind of the sentiment? Pat, in all my years in scouting, I think when I would watch Hernandez play, his lateral quickness in and out of his cuts was rare.

Now, I'm not talking about great. I'm talking about rare. I mean, when he put his foot in the ground and separated from the defender, it was a burst unlike anything. It was a Barry Sanders' burst. And, I mean, that's a high – this kid – now, he wasn't – for the tough guy that he pretended he was in court, he wasn't really a tough – he wasn't really going to block.

He would tie, but his hands were elite. His quickness was elite. Now, he didn't run a great 40 time, but it didn't matter because he could separate from everybody. I agree. See, what they could do with Hernandez and Gronk is they could line up in 12, one back, two tight ends, and be in any formation they wanted to be. They could take Gronk and Hernandez and spread them out. Now they're in 10. They could keep Gronk in the game, spread Hernandez out. Now they're in 11. And as a defensive coordinator, you had to make adjustments, but you had to substitute. They didn't. And that's the key to football.

It's the same thing with the Bulls. One of the things when you watch this last dance, the Bulls didn't really have to substitute to create matchup problems for their opponent. They could just shift players from three to four. Pippen, you go one. Jordan, you play three. And all of a sudden now, the opponent had to change what he was doing. That's the essence of greatness right there. Well, and they say that's why Taysom Hill is such a weapon too because the defense doesn't know exactly where the hell he's going to line up, so they have no idea if it's 12 or if he's playing quarterback.

They have no idea, which is the deception of the whole thing. Can I get back to Aaronandez for just another second though because i do have did you guys now that i've just learned that you were part of the scouting of him was there any heads up that he's potentially a stone cold serial killer no the knock on hernandez coming out at florida if you talk to the people down there and again i'm not blaming anybody i wasn't working for the patriots at the time i was i was working in in uh in in for the raiders the word the word all the time but i had a lot of conversations with bill about him the reality of hernandez was it was all about marijuana it was all about he's like to smoke dope that was that was the narrative coming out of gainesville

you know and and it wasn't that he grew up on the mean streets of Brockport, Connecticut, you know. I mean, it was like you could see the neighborhood he grew up in in the documentary. It wasn't like he was in a, you know, in the inner city of Harlem or someplace that's really rugged like Bridgewater, Connecticut. So no, it was more about uh marijuana when he got to new england and talking to the people that were with him in new england he was a loner he was very aloof he wasn't a good teammate he did everything he had to do but he never socialized with other people it's interesting because usually weed would you know make you not kill people yeah you would eat more pizza and gain weight right whoa whoa whoa let's stereotype, my favorite vitamin here.

It also may make you work hard, look deeper into things, maybe become a better writer, maybe a musician, things of that. It's legal. We can talk about it any way we want. Bingo. Not in Indiana, but hey, we'll keep it moving here. For you, the big storyline after the draft going into the season is what? What do you think the big storyline is right now? Do you think it's how does bill belichick do without tom because if you listen

the way tom or bill talked to rich eisen on schedule release night he's like i don't see what the big deal is we just play to our players strengths and keep it moving do you think it's tom at tampa bay do you think it's maybe uh will the la rams uh stadium get built in time like what do you think is the big storyline right now coming into the season? Well, I mean, obviously, it's where are we going to play games? How are we going to play games? I mean, you know, you could just look at Tesla today. Tesla can't get their plant open in Fremont, California.

And Elon Musk is talking about moving, right? And so are we actually, is the state of California going to allow three stadiums to open up? Where could those teams, if they want to play, where are they going to play? Where are they going to live? What are they going to do? To me, that's the story. The virus is the story. I think internally, when you look at these teams, I think there's a, you know, where does Cam Newton go up?

I wrote about this for The Athletic. I mean, look, if Cam Newton were on the Bears, I would bet the Bears on the over of eight. Right. But but I don't like the Bears where they are right now. You know, and if Cam Newton went to Pittsburgh, I don't know what kind of shape Ben Roethlisberger's in right now. I mean, Jay Glazer talked about him not being in great shape. So I think that where does Cam go is an interesting conversation because he's better than most of the quarterbacks who they think they are. Is it because of the personality that he has? People are worried bringing that into the locker room. Like, hey, if you're going to be our backup quarterback,

he can't be a distraction, much like the Tim Tebow conversation was much like the colin cappernick conversation was now is cam newton falling into that where hey if you're gonna be a backup quarterback you can't be a distraction but i don't think he's a backup quarterback the guy looks better than he's ever looked he's not a backup quarterback he's a starter the problem is if you bring him in let's say you bring him into chicago every player in the bears locker room is going to gravitate to him then trububisky, the legend of MVP Mitch, dies. He's got no chance to beat him out. If you bring him into Jacksonville, right, if you bring him into Jacksonville,

Jacksonville is like, look, we want to lose. We want to tank. We'll sign Mike Lennon, right? I mean, if there ever was an indication a team's trying to tank, like if there was like a profile that you would put if you follow these eight steps you can tank the jacksonville jaguars have followed all eight steps i mean david caldwell the general manager he's harry houdini i mean i'm just going to change his name to harry houdini because he's a magician he's had more bad drafts than anybody and he still has his job and so they're tank, so they don't want Cam because if they brought Cam in, they might actually win.

Whereas like Denver, I get Denver. If Denver brought him in, then Drew Locke wouldn't really be the starter. I get that. I mean, the way Locke played the last half of the season, seven touchdown passes, they're 5-1. He deserves

to kind of have a little place. Like the Raiders. I think the Raiders would be interested, but not until after September gets started. So I think the guy's a starting quarterback. I think Pittsburgh would be the ideal place for him because Mike Tomlin could handle him, A. And B, it might actually get Big Ben's fat ass in shape knowing he's got cancer right now.

Jeez, just because Jay Glazer takes a shot at Ben Roethlisberger doesn't hurt him. Have you seen his pictures? Yeah, he looks better than he's ever looked in the body. His face looks disgusting. I mean, it looks despicable. His face looks bad, too. It looks like I've ate 75 cheeseburgers today.

It's quarantine. It's quarantine. Glazer, walk those comments back, too. Hey, Glazer said that Roethlisberger reached out to him and said, hey, don't you ever put my bat on the internet like that. But this is allegedly the first offseason that Roethlisberger has worked out in his entire career. Now, granted, it might be because he's being forced to because of rehab.

But I think Roethlisberger is going to be good. But Roethlisberger always gets injured at some point because of the way he plays. If you don't have a backup that's ready to go, now, granted, geez, that's not a good look for him. But if you don't have a backup that's ready to play, you automatically automatically have what happened last year which was helmet easy lombardi all right what happens like last year you could easy you get a quarterback that got his helmet ripped off then hitting the head with it i mean i just feel like cam newton to the steelers is a good spot but from what i've been hearing and what we have been told is they want rothlisberger to feel very comfortable

going into the season letting it's it's 100 his team there's no other distractions and stuff like that we'll be intrigued to see what happens with Kim uh Mr. Lombardi is the are the Bills one of those teams where he if he goes there he is the better quarterback but they just don't want to do that because Josh Allen's young yeah I think so I mean look at everything about I mean Josh Allen's career is on the line I mean if the Bills don't win this year, it's going to be because of Josh Allen. They've got a good team. They're good on defense. They're good in the kicking game.

They've got a really good football team. They've improved. And if Josh Allen – now, they go to the – they had the 24th easiest schedule last year. So, you know, they're going to upgrade their level of play. That's going to be challenging. And if this kid doesn't make deep throws – you throws, I've said this before on your show, he's 7 for 51 on throws over 30 yards. He's 21 for 76 on throws between 20 and 30.

The guy can't hit anybody down the field. What am I? Again, he's like MVP Mitch. If he went to the county fair, he ain't winning any stuffed animals. That's the problem. If Josh Allen doesn't do that, you know that's the problem and if josh allen doesn't do that i think that's the bills the bills are going to regret passing lamar jackson for josh allen lombardi it has been said by basically every quarterback that has been worth a damn in this

league that accuracy is the number one trait that you need for a quarterback yes it'd be great if he's tall and can throw the ball forever and he's athletic but accuracy accuracy is the number one trait for sustained success in the NFL as a quarterback. Is that something you can learn and work on? Or is it just like you either got it or you don't? I mean, it's like playing darts. Like, you can't get better at playing darts, right? You either have eye-hand coordination to hit the target or you don't. And I mean, you know, you can practice shooting free throws and all that stuff.

But it's required. I mean, that was my biggest problem with Josh Allen coming out in the draft. See, when you watch Lamar Jackson play, yeah, he wasn't perfectly accurate, but on deep throws he was really good. If you watch Louisville play the year he won the Heisman, he was very good on deep balls down the field. So what you're saying about that is you're saying, okay, here you go. We're going to hit a couple home runs with this guy.

I mean, think about the play when you were in Indianapolis, when you're playing Baltimore on the road in that playoff game. It's third and eight, and Peyton hits that throw to Clark, to Dallas Clark. Dallas, yeah. And the window was a pee hole. It was that small, right? And he got the ball right there. First down, we win the game.

He doesn't make a good throw there. You might win that game that's accuracy that you got to have that that's what that's why i don't think josh allen or mvp mitch are ever going to be good players because they don't have that trait they don't have that ability okay last question before you let you go i appreciate every time you come on here i feel like i get smarter in the football world let's talk about bill belichick in that interview he had with rich eisen schedule release night rich eisen and bill belichick are an emmy nominated duo okay those two are an emmy nominated duo i think bill has opened up more to him than anybody else in the history of the thing so whenever rich asked him about jared stidham being the quarterback going forward and bill obviously dances around and he says well he

likes all four quarterbacks in there, including Lamar. And I believe a guy named Pat is in there. Jamar Smith and Brian Lewershi. Jamar. Yeah, there we go. His name wasn't Pat, but all four quarterbacks in there. And then he was, he even said, you never know what's going to happen down the road. Is there, what does that mean from, is he going to sign another quarterback? Does he legitimately not know who's going to be a starting quarterback or is he just not saying anything so that nobody knows anything i think i think that's right i don't think he's going to say anything i think he's going to try to give jarrett sit him every opportunity but i think once this once this pandemic we can actually start to travel i do think they will have an

interest in cam newton they should right they should have an interest in cam newton because one of belichick's greatest strengths are I'm going to buy low, sell high. Right. I'm going to buy low, sell high. Cam Newton is the ultimate Warren Buffett investment. Buy him right now. He's at a very low value. You know, he's got MVP qualities within him. So but the problem with the Patriots are what no one seems to really want to talk about is they've got over 25 million of dead cap money because of Antonio Brown, because of Tom Brady, because of Steven Guskowski. They've got a lot of dead money, so they're really tight on the cap. And until they do Joe Tooney's contract or redo it, they're really going to have a problem signing anybody.

You're the first person, by the way, who has any ties to the Patriots saying that there's a chance they look into Cam Newton. I wrote about it on Friday in the athletic column. I think there's a chance. No, you've got to write about that on Monday. Hey, Friday, nobody reads a damn thing. Friday, you've got to write about that on Monday, Mike, so we can talk about it all week. I apologize. I'll get better.

I'll try to get better. I apologize. Would they be better? Cam Newton goes to the Patriots. Are they a force? If they figure out the contract, figure out the money somehow. I don't know how they would. He's healthy.

Yes. And he's healthy. They'll do exactly what Cam does really well. Look, this is a guy who's averaged 100 rushes in two of every – other than just two seasons. One, he was hurt, I think, three years ago. I mean, he throws it down the field. He can run for first downs.

He can make big plays. He's tough to defend. You know, people say, well, he won't fit with the Patriots way. I think he will. I mean, I think the guy's a really good player. People say, well, he's not a starter. Are you kidding me? I mean, he's not a starter and everybody thinks Andy Dalton is. Whoa! I'm against Andy Dalton.

Ladies and gentlemen, he has three Super Bowl rings, a wealth of knowledge. You can read him at The Athletic. You can listen to him at the GM Shuffle and the Lombardi Line on VSIN Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Thank you, guys. I appreciate you. You're the best.

Hey, let's not put your best article out on Friday on the Internet. I mean, that's when they posted. I submitted it on Thursday. Look, I don't know. I mean, that's when they post it. I submitted it on Thursday. Look, I don't know. I mean, you know, what do I do? I just, I write it and I give it to them. Whatever they do with it, they do with it. That was the most Italian thing. It's nothing I can control. That was the most Italian thing I've ever

heard. Paisan. Paisan, Michael DeBuyne. Good morning! Alright. Thanks for listening, guys. Good morning. Woo! All right. Thanks for listening. Thanks to the guests. And thank you.

We're getting through this damn thing together. I do feel as if the sun is at the end of the tunnel there. You get it. Light. If there's no sun, there's no light. I was right. Bingo. Nailed it.

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