The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 202 - Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane, Hue Jackson, & Legend, AJ Hawk Are Here For A Great Tuesday. Let's Go.

Episode Date: May 19, 2020

Today’s show is a loaded one. First, Pat welcomes Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane to the program. Pat and Brandon discuss the Bills attempting to trade for a WR last year, and why they eventually made a move to bring in Stefon Diggs, deciding to empower Josh Allen as their starting QB by not bringing in someone like Cam Newton, establishing the type of culture he desired in Buffalo and why it was difficult at first, and what it was like seeing Vontae Davis retire at halftime of a game (00:00:43-25:21). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk. Pat and AJ discuss everything from The Last Dance and discuss the documentary at length, Pat and Aaron Rodgers becoming texting buddies, Sebastian Janikowski giving Pat life advice, AJ tries to figure out how long Pat would survive in the Octagon against Francis Ngannou, Pat demonstrates the hard count he would use to try and get defenses to jump offsides, they discuss the golf event from this past weekend, and cover everything else that is going on in the world (27:17-2:11:18). Later, former Raiders and Browns Head Coach and friend of the program, Hue Jackson joins the show. Pat and Hue chat about the rumors that the Browns almost traded the #1 pick in 2018 to the Seahawks for Russell Wilson, how his tequila company has been doing, how teams address players getting arrested in the offseason given the recent circumstances, and whether he thinks it’s essential for young QB’s to have a veteran presence in the Quarterback room (2:11:20-2:26:17). Don't forget to send a picture of where you're watching the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch. Come and laugh with us. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now, Buffalo Bills general manager, holy hell, can't believe this is happening, Brandon Bean. Okay. Atta boy, Brandon. Appreciate that, Pat. How you doing? I'm excellent. How are you? You have to feel, I was almost going to swear, they're pretty good to be a Buffalo Bill right now. Last year, season came out of nowhere. All of a sudden, Tom Brady says, I'm heading out of town. Gronk comes back to football, but out of your division. You get Stephon Diggs. You have to feel really good right now to be in

the position that you're in. Yeah, you know, we're trying to get there, Pat. Obviously, we wanted to take Brady down ourself. We were 0-6, Sean and I, since we got here three years ago. A guy of his stature, you played against him all those years in Indianapolis. You know what their team was like,

and I'm sure that was always the game of the year for you guys. But at the same time, we just focused on what we got and wished Tom the best. If he's going to leave, I'm glad he went to the NFC. Yeah. I was about to say, you still might have a chance to run into him. I mean, there's still a chance that old Brandon Bean and McDermott can take down the enemy Tom.

I promise you we'd love a chance to play him again here at some point. I mean, he's going to play for at least two or three more years, so I got to think some way somehow it would happen. Yeah, Gronk coming back, I mean, just obviously a lot of excitement for the league. You know, he's a fun guy to have in the league. You got to love his personality. And again, an AFC East foes for us and always caused us headaches. But you respect his game and it's fun to have him back in the NFL.

All right, let's talk about you and the squad that you have built here. You said he's saying he's going to stick around for at least another two to three years. I feel like you understand that, Hey, building a team takes a little bit of time. There's been a lot of patients that you and McDermott have had together with each other.

I mean, 2017, your first year there, you had to get rid of a lot of contracts that were made from the previous GM to fit the team in your vision. I'd assume Tyrod Taylor gets the team to the playoffs for the first time in 17 years. You get him out of town. Then you bring in Josh Allen. What has that been like, the entire process? And did you know you were like, hey, whenever I get a gig, I have to, because this is just something that works in the

NFL. When you become a guy, you always have this situation where you want to build your team your way. How has the patience been in building your team? And last year, make a playoff run. I assume it's going to go to the next step. But the Buffalo Bills are a picture of patience in a world now in the NFL that doesn't have a lot of patience, and it seems like it's paying off. Yeah, you've got to give our owners, Terry and Kim, obviously a lot of props. You know, Sean got here a few months before I did.

But laying the vision out was, listen, we're going to make some necessary moves in 17. We're going to try and win because you want to build a winning culture, and I just don't believe in the word tanking or whatever you want to throw out there. So obviously we were trying to win. Did I think we were going to get in the playoffs that year? No, I probably wouldn't have bet on that. But Tyrod and that group, Kyle Williams, we snuck in the back door. We got some help by the Bengals beating the Ravens on the last game and slide in. And what a fun thing to end a 17-year drought for our fan

base. But that's what made 18 really hard was making all these necessary moves. But we were able to acquire enough draft picks for Josh Allen. The 18th season, we had over $50 million of dead money. So, obviously, that hurt Sean McDermott and our staff's chance, knowing that there's $50 million of players that we're not competing with out there. But if you're patient and you can build it, and that's the thing I've said, if I get a gig, to your point, Pat,

we're going to lay it out and we're going to do it the way we want to do it. And we're not adjusting. Whether we won the Super Bowl the first year or whether we didn't win a game, the plan was we're going to get rid of this cap, acquire draft capital, find a franchise quarterback, and then build it from there. Okay. Why was Josh Allen your guy? What was it about Josh Allen? And then obviously the first year he has those glimpses of greatness. The athleticism is off the charts. And then last year he gets even better. Everybody on earth is expecting him to get even better, but let's go back to whenever you pick him up and he's the guy. What was it about Josh Allen? And were you worried about the small school thing? Like,

Hey, I don't know how this guy's going to transition um you know that's when you're when you're scouting him you're definitely trying to watch all right who is he going against you know that you know what corners uh you know what receivers does he have and unfortunately um it is what it is he's playing at wyoming but you still have to give him the attributes of the arm talent the athletic ability the prototypical size um those are the things we saw on tape watching him through the fall. And then I went and saw him live and then saw him live again at the Senior Bowl. The next part, Pat, was getting to know him. And one of the first things that we figured out testing him, this guy's very smart. You know, Brian Dayball, you know, we met with him at senior bowl we tested him he was very smart

then we went to laramie a month later and tested him again in a couple different scenarios some kind of uh quick processing things and then also what do those look like brandon what do those look like for people that have never seen something like this because i talk about the wonderlick and people are like well i've never heard what the wonder looks like in that process of trying to get a gauge on somebody not just how tall they are or how fast they are, but when you're trying to figure out the brain and quick process, what does that look like? Are you giving them a play and telling them what to do? Or is it something different, completely unrelated to football? So Brian was basically, he would sit up and he would teach each of the quarterbacks that we met

with. He would sit up in the room and teach them certain parts of the playbook, what the formation is, what the personnel group is, and what the play call is. And basically what he would do is he would tell the players, whether it was him or any of the other guys, walk out of the room, and Brian would write some stuff that these guys had to match on the board. And we did the same exact test for each one, and basically it was match this formation with this play call and so Brian would ask a question and say all right and see how

quickly and basically we would time them to see if they could get them all done in like 30 seconds that's amazing and it was uh we did we did a couple different those but we tried with the thing we did Pat was to make it fair across the board was we did the same exact test with each quarterback and timed them to see how quickly, can they beat 30 seconds, or if not, how many do they get completed in 30 seconds. And without going into what the other guys did, Josh did really well. Obviously, he scored 37 on the Wanderlick, but he was a quick processor. So that was the next step how smart is he you're 37

yeah i think so nice yeah that that got leaked i was happy got leaked there's a lot of other things that got leaked about me that i wasn't excited yeah there's always certain things you don't want to get leaked but uh if we can pick make sure that 37 gets out yeah you're 100 right sorry and then just his Pat. I mean, when you feel him in the room, and when we went to Laramie, we brought our owners with us just to see how he's around owners. How is he around us? And was amazed at how comfortable he was in his skin. And you just felt it.

We went to a restaurant in Laramie, and people are just, you know, Josh was just super nice to the host. You can tell he'd been there before, but he's not walking in there like, hey, I'm the best thing since sliced bread. He's talking to every single person from the hostess and just genuine dude, took him to lunch after the workout the next day. It was the same thing. And again, then brought him to Buffalo and just, you know, everything about him, you know, screamed leadership. And I think if you ask the guys on our team, Pat, whether they're on the offensive side or the defensive side,

I haven't found anybody that just doesn't love who Josh Allen is on and off the field. Well, Lorenzo Alexander, he's been on our show a couple of times, steadfast up there in Buffalo, loves the Bills because there was a conversation when Cam Newton was opened up to the market after a bunch of quarterbacks had been signed already the thought was the Chargers and then Chargers said no we're out we're going to draft a guy and the thought was to Miami they do the same thing

then maybe Jacksonville they take the Skycam Mike Glennon then maybe it's the Pittsburgh Steelers well they're not interested like and then the only everybody is like well maybe the Buffalo Bills because he and Josh Allen both very athletic I asked Lorenzo Alexander a linebacker for the Buffalo Bills for a long time and he said he doesn't 100% know that if Cam Newton would fit the culture that Sean McDermott is built in Buffalo and also he thinks that would be unfair to Josh Allen and his growth especially with how much he's grown to get a guy in there who's a proven player who should be a player somewhere but whenever you're talking about a young quarterback you got to give him you got to

empower him to know he's the guy is that the feeling that you have as well with the thought of any other quarterbacks let alone cam newton but any other quarterback to potentially come in there yeah our whole goals you know the first thing we looked at after this season pat you know we had a good year but offensively we still didn't score enough points and i think that's what caught up with us in houston um if you remember that game we started good year, but offensively we still didn't score enough points. And I think that's what caught up with us in Houston. If you remember that game, we started with a touchdown, but after that we settled for field goals. We just couldn't punch it in, couldn't get a big play, and got it to overtime.

And still, same thing, couldn't get the play we needed to get a field goal territory. And so that was the impetus for the move of Stephon Diggs, adding another weapon opposite John Brown, pairing with Cole Beasley and you know that's been everything has been trying to give Josh all he needs uh we have the same O-line that we had last year which was a much improved group from from 18 Josh's rookie year we we didn't do very well up front and that was the uh the main thing we had to get fixed last year was our O-line. So while it was improved, it's not perfect, but having the same, you know, the continuity of those front five back should help. Josh is familiar with them.

Now they're familiar, you know, with how he checks and calls games and things like that. So that's been our thing here going into 2020 is surrounding Josh with more weapons. We had another running back to pair with Devin Singletary, adding Zach Moss, and then a couple bigger receivers later in the draft in Gabe Davis from Central Florida, and then Isaiah Hodgins from Oregon State. So to your question, it's a long-winded answer, Pat,

but Josh Allen is our guy, and we're going to surround him. We did draft Jake Fromm, but we didn't anticipate that. That's more of a he'll compete with Matt Barkley in a backup-type role. But other than that, Josh is our guy. Well, there's a couple Packers fans that are currently in the room right now that are wondering why that same thought wasn't taken over there. But, Brandon Bean, like the way you're building that team with some patience. Stephon Diggs, whatever it had came out, what, last year, week four,

that he got fined $200,000 for missing a practice, and then Thielen was up in arms. And then it was a very interesting situation that inevitably led to their offense turning around and doing better and doing a late playoff push. And then everybody knew that Stephon Diggs was not happy being in Minnesota, whether it was social media work or working out in a Cardinals shirt or anything like that. How did that whole process come about for the Buffalo Bills to be like, hey, here's a guy who is an unbelievable talent. For whatever reason, it's not working with Zimmer

out there. He's a guy that's available. Let's go get him. How did that whole process happen? And do you have guys in your mind during the season or after the season when you do that evaluation where you're like, if this guy comes available, we need to get him in. If this person becomes available, we need to get them. Is that how that goes? Yeah, definitely. You're looking after the season, you're looking at who the free agents are, who the cap casualties are,

and then who are guys that maybe teams would be willing to unload either for cap reasons or this situation. It hasn't always meshed for whatever reason. And, Pat, we actually tried to make a trade in the season last year for a wide receiver. We looked at several. Some of them did get traded to other teams that just didn't work out on our end. And, you know, Stephon was one of the ones that I did inquire about with Minnesota,

and they were just steadfast. And I don't blame them. They were midseason. They were having a good year. Why would you trade you trade you know your number one guy like that but in the back of my mind and we did a lot of recon on them at that point but in the back of my mind it's you know we'll we've done the recon on them maybe maybe down the road is still an option if it would if it would be a fit for us at that time so it just kind of happened uh we were getting said it was first night of free agency and you know some stuff was out there and and we circled if it would be a fit for us at that time. So it just kind of happened. We were getting set. It was the first night of free agency, and some stuff was out there,

and we circled up with Minnesota that afternoon, started having some discussions, kind of looked at what our free agent market was, looked at where we were drafting at 22, kind of where we thought the receivers may fall, and just felt like we wouldn't be able to get a guy at 22, Pat, that can do what a stefan digs can do stefan's an unbelievable talent i mean he is an unbelievable talent for whatever reason last year was very obvious to me and anybody that's ever seen a football player act with a football team he was not happy there i think it that's a big addition to your squad up

there in buffalo excited to see what he can help out with josh allen and deep threat maybe score some more points a couple last questions here and I can't thank you enough for joining us. You're a cool dude, by the way. Bill's Mafia, I assume, loves you, and they should. Appreciate it. Vontae Davis, okay? I was teammates with Vontae, all right? Yeah, okay.

Vontae and I, good friends. I think anybody who's ever met Vontae loves Vontae, and I think the story from LaShawn, and I forget who else. It was Tredavious. Yeah, Tredavious talking about the Vontae, loves Vontae. And I think the story from LaShawn and I forget who else. It was Tredavious. Yeah, Tredavious talking about the Vontae Davis situation. How did you – because I assume GMs aren't in the locker room at halftime. No. You're not in the locker room.

You're up in a box somewhere watching alongside other people and you have the TV on and other people with you. And obviously in the locker room, Vontae goes, hey, dog, make this ain't, I'm out of here, dog. He just, it's a young man's game. Hey, it's a young man's game, man. So whenever that happens, okay, when that happens and the team comes back on the field

and you're like just looking around and you don't see Vontae, is that a call down or did they call you? How did you find out about the Vontae situation? And have you talked to Vontae since then and how have those conversations gone? So we'll take them one at a time. Something I've never seen, and you know Vontae.

Ever. And I can say I've seen a lot of things. That's when I said I've seen it all. An NFL player. I mean, I've seen a kid in Little League walk off the field. Like he's ticked off. His mom or dad's not happy. Get in the car, Johnny. We're going home. player. I mean, I've seen a kid in little league walk off the field. Like he's ticked off his mom or dad's not happy getting the car, Johnny, we're going home, but I've never seen it from an NFL

perspective. And no, I got a text and I didn't understand it. To be honest with you. I got a text from the locker room basically saying, Hey, uh, Vontae's done. And, and I'm like done. And he's like, yeah, he says he's not going to play anymore. And I thought in my head, he's pulling himself out. Something's hurting him. He had come off a growing thing or something. Or he and a coach got into it. And he's like, never in my mind did I think he's done with the NFL, all that stuff. So after the game, I'm talking to Sean. He still doesn't really know everything. You know, they've got to go back out and coach this game.

We'll deal with this later. And so you're asking questions like, no, he literally got dressed in the locker room at halftime, packed his stuff, and drove out. So, yeah, I mean, I called his agent and tried to reach him, and he was in the middle of it trying to figure out what was going on. I don't think we honestly thought. I thought maybe something was underlying that I still didn't know about. Like, okay, he's got to come in tomorrow.

We'll hash through this. We'll figure it out. And it was like, no, I'm happy. I'm good. I'll pay my bonus back. Like, that was the next thing. Like, well, how are we going to do this? And they're like no he's

going to pay his money back and i got to give him a lot of credit some people may have argued vante immediately paid everything back so although it's very disappointed to see a guy do that at halftime uh i got to give him credit he was steadfast and within two weeks he had paid his bonus back and i thought that was pretty impressive any there was a group text thread that popped off in my phone immediately upon it happening i mean it was a lot of people like did you see have you heard and then everybody's like vante wouldn't do because that's not vante by the way vante that's not like that is not an indicator of what vante david vante is a hard worker he had to lot. He's gone, like his first couple years in Miami,

I think he thought he wasted his talent. Comes to Indianapolis, like kind of turns it around. Hard working guy, enjoyed practice. And then all of a sudden, half time, hey, dog, he's saying, I'm out of here. That was just, it came out of nowhere. And there's a lot of- You got his voice down.

Oh, hey, we had plenty of conversations. Oh, that's great. Well, how do you feel about Bill's Mafia? When you go from Carolina up to Buffalo, and I think because of the 17-year drought, there's a lot of conversation about the fan base, who is so passionate, so loyal, and absolutely bonkers. I mean, it is some of the most beautiful things in all of professional sports.

When you go to Buffalo, what is your relationship with Bills Mafia? Because you had to make some hard decisions. You cut some players, I assume, that they loved. People that made a lot. But the people that are salary cap, they had some good years that they got that big contract from somebody. So you had to get rid of some people. I assume there was a little bit of Bills Mafia like, come on, this guy. But now that you've kind of turned around on the other side,

how is the Bills Mafia relationship with O'Brain and Bean in the Bills right now? It's been great. They haven't burnt my house down, so we're good there. But a lot of burning tables, but they haven't taken my house. No, to your point, some of the moves I made early on, I definitely knew they were unpopular. But ones, as I said earlier, had to be done. But Bill's Mafia has been great and just super supportive of what we're doing,

what Sean's doing, and our players. And they're fired up with us making the playoffs again, which is two out of three years after a 17-year drought. So I think they feel like we're heading in the right direction. Obviously, we feel like we're, you know, we still got a lot of goals to accomplish, but we are. But there's no fan base. I mean, if you're an NFL fan or any fan,

you should come to a game in Orchard Park. Like, and just watch it, soak it in, give yourself time, get there at 9 a.m. If the game's at 1, you can be there earlier. They're out there. I pull in around 8 a.m., and they're out there because they got all these RVs. And it's like, you know, what it reminded me of is like a NASCAR event. You know, you see all these RVs, pull up at a NASCAR.

They're coming in Friday night and Saturday morning. So, Pat, our players can see the RVs when they come in for a Saturday, you know, walkthrough, all that stuff. I mean, people are out there. Sean McDermott giving the speech to the team being like, hey, they're ready. You see them? Look, they got the kegs tapped already in the RV.

We got an entire moment. What a scene up there. It's unbelievable. There's no, again, to withstand 17 years of what this organization had to go through of no postseason success and just to be, I mean, literally, first game we're out there in 2017, it was sold out and packed. And I'm thinking, man, we're going to have to earn some trust. I'm wondering what the fan support's going to be.

Because, again, I'm learning all about it. I knew it. But they're just – and they show. I'm telling you, last year in Nashville, Pat, we played the Titans. And it was like a bowl game, a college bowl game. Half – you know, we make a play, you hear a huge roar. They make a play. It was truly like a split crowd.

It's awesome. And I didn't go down Broadway, but people were talking about that it was like, obviously in today's environment you wouldn't be able to do that. Currently, yeah. You know. Current moment. Bill's Mafia would not thrive in the current environment that we are in. No, they're going to be dying.

But they literally took over that stadium. And it's, you so many it's been so fun when we went on the road there's not a game that we've been to where if we're winning late like we've got it sealed up and they are making all sorts of racket you know the home fans are x-ing out and they've all come down behind our bench and our players just they look for it they love it pittsburgh last year uh when they did the Renegade song and all that stuff, I mean, it was just, you know, for Pittsburgh's historical, you know, how great they've been for so long, it was, we got one in here.

Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah. We were there for that. We were there for that game, by the way. Your defense had, what, 75 picks, I think. Oh, yeah. I think there was 75 interceptions that game by your defense. But you're 100 right i had never heard a pittsburgh stadium because we're from pittsburgh filled with another team's fans as much as that is not something that's normal in pittsburgh buffalo

invaded and i think it's because they felt that that match was that was pretty much for an afc wild card spot yeah that was for a playoff spot. That was for a playoff spot. That was an electric atmosphere there. He's got a question. I'm a big Steelers fan here. He has a question. I'm sorry. I'm surprised you didn't cut me off. No, no, it's not me.

I don't care. They could have paid me. They didn't. This guy, though. We've had plenty of years of success. It's fine. Steelers stuff everything. I love it.

Yeah. I love it. You being with Cam so many years in Carolina, are you surprised? Are other GMs surprised that Cam has not found a spot yet? Yeah, I truly think he would have if it wasn't, you know, he's come off the injury again. He had the foot this year, the shoulder the year before.

And I just kind of feel like he's one of those guys that maybe medically people want to make sure, what am I getting? And then, you know, maybe they don't want to necessarily promise him a starting job maybe Cam has you know started out as I definitely want to be a starter and I've been asked this question a couple times I thought you know some of the spots you mentioned Pat earlier I thought those were going to be great spots for him that he would go in and if not get the job uh he would be the favorite to win the job. I'm really surprised because if he's back healthy, I'm assuming he is, if he's back

healthy, this guy was an MVP. He led us to a 15-1 season. I don't totally get why he's not been signed other than there may be some medical concerns and guys can't get their doctors to get their hands on him. I assume you have other stuff to do, but you're a nice guy and we're just going to talk to you until you have to leave will you watch like cam newton right now is currently posting videos okay and his videos look like he's in better shape than i've ever seen him and he seems like he has a massive chip on his shoulder because it's the first time he's ever been told get the hell out

and we don't want you and nobody else wants him either so i think cam newton's going to come back just like you said and go to somewhere be a great quarterback but do scouts and gms because there's like trick shot kickers that get workouts who just kick on the internet do you guys watch these videos and do you take anything into account whenever you see workouts online knowing that it's just highlights uh no matter what's the case. Yeah, you know, you flip them on. At the end of the day, I mean, I've seen some of our guys putting some stuff out there, working out, you know, whether it's receiver, he ain't dropping the ball, quarterback, he's throwing a great dime, you know, in there.

And I'm like, okay, where's the other ones? Where's the missed drops? Where's the missed throws? But in all seriousness, you can still see him do it. And if Cam's got, I haven't seen his videos, but if he's out there posting some stuff, best throws but uh in all seriousness you still so you can still see him do it and if you know if cam's got i haven't seen his videos but if he's out there posting some stuff i have no doubt pat that's the exact words i used i was asked about him a few weeks ago um and i'm like this guy is coming out he's being told no we don't want you by a lot of teams he is going to have

the biggest chip on his shoulder he's always played with one but he's he's going to, I mean, I just, I wouldn't bet against him, and I'm surprised that somebody hasn't signed him yet. Alright, well, we appreciate you so much. I like the, by the way, listen, I got football to pay attention to. I'm not putting a damn thing on the wall behind me.

I love it. Nah, I just, I'm at a buddy's house, so I put this up. So I'm in a bedroom. Are you going to, are you golfing? Hopefully this weekend, hopefully. How's your game? I haven't played yet this year. I'm decent once I get going, but this may be ugly these first few rounds.

I'll tell you what, you're an incredible interviewer. Most GMs can't do this type of thing. I can't thank you enough for joining us. You're the best for this, honestly. I appreciate it, Pat. Anytime. You guys stay safe. You got it, you too. Good luck on the course this weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, Brandon Bean. So, sorry to interrupt, but I need to tell you about the greatest shorts to ever exist okay

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I'm good. You know, this weekend I became text friends with somebody that we know. Who is that? Oh, you know. You know. Well, you're already text friends with Jeremy Piven. We know that. Yeah, that is correct. That didn't happen this weekend. Jeremy Piven. We know that. Yeah, that is correct.

That didn't happen this weekend. Jeremy Piven did not happen this weekend. Scotty Pippen you're close friends with too. Scotty Pippen and I have never texted, but we are close, I do believe. I do believe. Who could it be? Aaron Rodgers. Let's go!

No way! Number 12? What happened? Why did it take so long? That was actually part of the conversation was why did this take so long? I blamed him. He took the blame, and I told him that that type of accountability is hard to find these days. And then we moved.

That was a DM conversation. We moved into a text conversation. So now we're in a situation what's the first text i sent to said man so i chose the gif of uh of us coming up the escalator at the golf tournament with the belt and uh that's my first message to him and then he responded a day later now that's where we're at i'm trying to figure out what's going back to him next nice this is a real mental joust here oh wait a second hold on so you've sent a gif possibly 24 to 30 hours later he sent back what hi pat and that's where we're at right now that's where we're at yeah with a period hi pat with a period right so now i'm making him wait at least it's been 24 hours maybe 30 hours

since that text so i want to let him know like hey that's not how i fucking play pal okay just because you answer doesn't mean i'm automatically going to answer now i have to properly time this and well no because you would have answered right back but he waited a full day if he would have got right back to you then you get back to him so you're going to make it look like hey like i'm running the i'm driving the boat here, not you. Bingo. And also, when he was the one that gave his number in the direct messages, I did not just automatically send a message over, by the way.

It was like five, six hours later after a message had been seen that I didn't answer. I just want to make sure that he understands, like, hey, I'm very thankful to be texting with him, but, hey, I am a journalist. Have a little fucking integrity, integrity pal i think a lot of people can probably relate to that though like your situation that you're in although it is funny it is relatable everyone has had somebody that they have gotten in contact with got introduced to somehow and you're like okay don't it up now what yeah what do we do that's like for instance whenever the um when the sexing apps used to happen when those apps you

swipe right to have sex with somebody else hey bone no bones they still happen right yeah but when they first came out okay i had a lot of teammates that were on there i used to be like oh okay so a lot of my teammates would beat the game or whatever so the the messaging would be the next move right they'd hit rock bottom on the swipes. And I was always, I always enjoyed it. I was always like, give my tips. You know, that bear that would wave, hello. I always thought that was kind of something clever to send in there. The boys would never listen whenever I said that.

The, you sent that? Oh, yeah. I changed my game up quick. Whenever I started giving those? Yeah, hell yeah. Because I couldn't be on the game. I couldn't be in the game, right? I couldn't be in the game.

But I just thought to myself, if I was in said game when this was years ago years years and years ago by the way years ago decades no not decades it was in a moment where I was single but I didn't want to get onto this thing like I just I had a little bit of you're on like that you're you would never like slum to that level you're on raya right the celebrity tinder app no see i no i i didn't i heard that existed because we had a friend who somehow worked his way onto there and he should not have been on it it's like hard for people to get on what exactly he got on there so i think it kind of ruined the credibility of the rest of the app or whatever for me but i would i would never do it but i would always you know like watch my friend play the video game like give my tips out and whenever i was like oh the

bear thing nick started using and did it work yeah see i knew i could beat the game if i had to never got to play but i knew i could have if i had to just that little fat bear saying hello that's what it was like with me and aaron rogers i was trying to figure out which gif of me am i sending to him so he knows that it's me and it was one from his golf tournament where we're coming up the escalator and i thought it was a good little good little arrival into his his text messaging thing because i go i i think it's awesome i think the best part is because he will get wind of this your situation like your dilemma as your you you exclaim okay i'm text friends with this person and really no i no, I sent him a GIF.

He sent me two words and a period, and now that's where we're at right now. He has said more words than me, though, at this point. I'm just telling you, but if you're going to start this mental text game back and forth, you know? No fucking big deal. I've said zero words. If you're going to play like hard to get, though, Pat, and you're going to start this whole like mental mind game thing with Aaron,

he'll take it to the death. Like he'll never break character and stay with it and play his own mind games back. I think this is because I said that I would turn on him last week and he didn't want me to. You know what I mean? When he did that local press thing, I was like, listen, I turned on Andy Dalton.

I didn't want to. I fucking had to. I had to turn on him. I would never turn on Aaron, but there was a't want to but fucking had to i had to turn on him i would never turn on aaron but there was a little bit of a a hint that i was potentially thinking about turning then all of a sudden this starts up i thought he handled that press conference zoom conference very well by the way it just like you said that he would do and i assume everybody was like he'll say all the right things he did he even stated some truth in there he was like

listen i was shocked by it all and a lot of people are reporting what he said, but they're leaving out the first sentence, the first sentence of everything that he said. I don't appreciate that. I don't like whenever you're getting left off of things like I'm mad, but I speak for you. And you're like, you know, when we're both left off, I don't like the way that plays my friend. No way.

Yeah. Like I didn't, I don't mind when i'm left off of anything really but you're right like when it was when he it came out of his mouth like well i was watching the stream with pat mcafee and aj hawk on their show and that gets left out of everything then i'm like you know what that is what are we doing like okay selective journalism are we just picking and choosing what everybody gets to hear he said aj hawk pat mcafee and even the boys the boys even got a shout out in that thing what about these guys cut to a close-up shot of uh uh of one of these guys look at look at that face there wearing a duke a d on his forehead you see that kid he's worked

his entire life to create something that maybe he'll get credit for that guy has not created a lot of things that he's wanted to take credit for. That kid's not smart. He's not that intelligent. He's not that athletic anymore. But he was shouted out in the middle of a press conference by Aaron Rodgers, and guess what? ESPN just snips it off.

They say that guy with the D on his face, he doesn't need this type of credit. That guy doesn't deserve this type of credit. And I say, bullshit. What about the guy in the back there with the mustache think about that kid right next to the digs uh right there that guy went to school for 45 years he's using none of his education at this point he is a single man he's got a dog named walt that chases down trains he has a gang called a shot gang that nobody knows exists he gets a shout out from

aaron rogers and they cut it off this is the american dream what about that guy owner of the green bay packers he's had to sit through this entire thing not only as himself but as mad mel kuiper he gets a shout out on a zoom press conference by aaron rogers What do they do? Fucking cut it out! God damn it! Next person, please. They didn't cut out Zito. Zito's been shouted out enough on national television. Not too much. But what about that, AJ?

What about the boys getting cut off of all these people? Unbelievable. I mean, that's what I'm upset about. You're right. Maybe they'll run a retraction. You think? Those always work. A lot of people see them. I went right into shepter's uh post on instagram i was like huh pretty convenient leaving off one particular sentence that was right before you and everybody was like selected bullshit media bias i'm like it's not about it's not that serious everybody's thinking it's way too serious what's that you know it would have been nice to give you a little credit i'm

just saying hand up how about that kid right there he did junior year of his high school twice you think he was ever going to get a shout out from aaron rogers never and then he gets one and they just eliminate from the history books yeah he doesn't even know how to turn on the light when he knows he's going to be on camera yeah it's every single time it just doesn't there it is sometimes this works when does it not to turn it off and on. When does it not work? When you don't press the button? Yeah, see, look at that.

We can hear you hitting the button, though. No, no, no, you can't. She's like, right now it's not working. How do you feel about that mustache, AJ? By the way, he got rid of the chops, but the mustache, how do you feel about it? Too close. I mean, it's a little bit scary right now looking at him. But no, it looks like it fits Connor.

Like that mustache. Like, okay, yeah, this guy's serious. He does look like a fireman or something like that. You know what I mean? Like a cop. Maybe a volunteer fireman. Yeah, you're not getting paid. Not professional.

Pull over. Pull over right now. Pull over. That's a police officer, right? Pull. Hands behind your back. Okay, how about a fireman now? Get out of the way. Get out of the way.

Get out of the way. There's a fire. There's a fire. It's tough. Quick. Quick, get the hose. Get the hose now. There we go.

Plug the hose into the fire hydrant now. There we go. Quick, there are children involved. Oh, did you just do a little David Koresh right there? Hey, man. What about the pets, Connor? There's pets inside, too. Oh, my God.

Get the cats out of that building right now. Did you hear my lady had a pet raccoon this weekend? I saw a video of that. Wait, did you bring it in? Me? Did she bring it into the house? Yeah, at one point, that thing was inside of our house in a cage because you're not allowed to actually they're not allowed to be pets so if here's the

story long story short i took the dogs outside to shit okay i take the dogs outside to shit the little one named uh chuck who's a corgi who doesn't listen to anybody and lives by his own rules as soon as we go outside he sprints to the right of our house around the corner. And I'm like, Chuck. He doesn't know his name, obviously. Chuck. He keeps running fast. So I have to go.

I have my slippers on. It's raining. I turn the corner. I have to do like a little quick tap thing so I don't fall down. And there's a raccoon basically with its hands up on the wall, okay, facing like it's gonna climb up and Chuck is just like at attention staring at him so I'm like I might get the fuck out of the way so I go I get him I hit him on the butt get him to go back

inside the house so I come inside and I'm like Chuck just taste it I chased down a baby raccoon outside so then soon as I said it I was like oh no shouldn't have said that so then I go to the kitchen and Sam's like, I have to go. So Sam goes outside. The baby raccoon or whatever is still up against the wall trying to climb. We know that it lives up inside of my chimney. So these raccoons live inside of my house because we've seen them going in and we've heard them once they get inside. We feed mother raccoon every single night. And by we, I mean Sam. This raccoon's going to have a fucking heart attack. It has more sweets than anybody I've ever seen. The raccoon will pick, by the way, raccoon will go through the salty stuff,

pick up the sweet stuff, eat the sweet stuff. Peanut butter, big get for the raccoon. Ritz with peanut butter. We'll open the Ritz thing, lick the peanut butter, and then eat it. The raccoon has been very fascinating, but it's been a pet. So this baby one she sees, she's like, oh, it must have been separated from the mom. So she picks it up. I go outside.

She's holding it in her arms like a little baby. This thing is being pet now. And I'm like, well, what the fuck are you doing with that? She's like, we got to return it to its mom. So the mom comes out at the same time to eat the food on our deck every single night, 7.30, 8 o'clock at night, every single night. So Sam's just sitting there until 7.38, holding her, putting her over his shoulder, rubbing her, this whole thing.

They're becoming like a bond at this point. I've seen this song and dance before. This thing's a fucking pet in no time. But then the law says you can't. And finally, the raccoon comes up and Sam lets it out. And the baby goes walking into a corner because it was a dumb little baby. And then it made a sound. And then it goes beeline right towards the mom raccoon,

hops on the back of that thing, latches, and then the raccoon takes off. And Sam starts crying and bawling her eyes off. And it was a real magical moment. But, yeah, i had a raccoon in my house this weekend for about six seven hours i guess it's a it's a storybook ending for that little that little guy how did wait how big was this rack here small they're a little rat they're very thin too like when you thought because obviously i pet and held this thing too yesterday it's a real thin like weasel almost ferret like thinness don't they

carry rabies yeah yeah but this one didn't have any teeth yeah so he's he's fresh like how old is this baby i have no idea it looked like it was a couple months old spring too is when babies come right so it can't be that old true for the claws thing was very claws yeah sam's all fucking sliced and diced because the thing was hanging on her like it was a fucking kangaroo or whatever and they they got these little hands these claws and this whole thing i mean to the raccoon baby raccoons credit could have bit sam at any moment just not to so it's very nice of that raccoon i mean it's good you got the baby away because it's just a matter of time before that raccoon does decide to bite well the fox too i mean we had a fox come up and check out the baby at one point i mean so sam was freaking out well when you're feeding if you're feeding that raccoon every night there's

lots of animals i would guess that come check your house oh the squirrels we got this one squirrel is his son of a bitch is real fat i don't know how many nuts you can fit in your mouth this one has done them all i mean it's it's unbelievable this raccoon is going to be the fattest raccoon in history it's only a matter of time uh it's going to be jerry kraus looking soon good pivot let's talk about um the last dance did you watch the final two episodes last night yes i did how'd you feel about it i thought it was a good ending to the whole story the 10 part i mean did it need to be 10 parts i don't know i mean i guess i'm glad it was just good ending to the whole story, the 10 part. I mean, did it need to be 10 parts? I don't know.

I mean, I guess I'm glad it was just because I'm a Jordan guy. I just wonder if someone wasn't a Jordan person, would they have wanted to be 10 episodes? So everybody in here just looked at Foxy because Foxy's a big time LeBron guy, not a big Jordan guy. For me, I didn't know much about Jordan. I was happy it was 10 episodes. Now, did I get confused a couple of times that they would bounce back and forth?

And I'm like, all right, what did we learn last week that we haven't? Dennis, okay, he's on the team already, but this week he's with the Pistons still. There was a couple of times where it was a little bit awkwardly format, I guess, because you're probably supposed to binge watch it. And when you binge watch it, you can bounce back and forth.

But whenever you have that week in between, then bounce back and forth it can get a little bit confusing I like though that it spanned five weeks it gave us something to look forward to I feel like I got an entire history lesson not only on the Bulls but basketball at the time in general how it became an international thing and basically the life of Michael Jordan being one that is incredibly legendary is something that I got from it. But I think the people that are LeBron James fans watch that thing and were like, LeBron's still the greatest player of all time. And the people that watched that, that are Michael Jordan people would say, Michael Jordan is still the greatest basketball player of all time. I don't think it proved anything of that nature.

But for us and for me, I think it proved as quite a history lesson for me to not seem as stupid whenever i'm talking about old michael jordan yeah i would agree with with what you're saying and the whole like jordan lebron argument i i don't ever dive into that stupid like who cares there's not an answer like kobe even said when kobe was alive like why are we arguing something where there's no answer like a subjective thing and i understand it it drives media people love to compare players from different eras and all this stuff i thought what was fun was to see old john stockton out there running point guard in his little baby shorts back in the day like i forgot about john stockton i remember him as a player a little bit i guess but it's funny when

you see that guy like so unassuming you see him dicing through the lane and making plays you're like how does this guy ever do that? Could he do that today? I don't know. He looked like a fourth-grade teacher when he was speaking last night. Fourth, fifth-grade teacher, maybe a principal. Very unassuming guy who used to go out and deliver the mail there with the mailman Malone. But, hey, how about him missing that free throw?

Did not expect that from Stockton. Missed a free throw last night I didn't expect. What I saw was Jordan missed shots which I had never seen before I had only seen highlights of him but it's the minor details of getting to witness why the greats are great is what I appreciated that behind the scenes the access and the footage that they had not only with the space jam gym that they had but also whenever he was coming back from baseball and listening to Franconona talk it's just the access is next level and i'll miss the last dance on sunday night so i talked about this on the earlier show you know entourage was on sunday nights could wait all week for entourage

sopranos was on sunday night could wait game of thrones was on sunday nights that's sunday night spot if you can hit it right you you have the world waiting for Sunday night. And The Last Dance did that for five straight weeks. And a lot of swearing on ESPN. No other live sports. I mean, this could potentially be the dawn of a new day whenever it comes to sports talk and sports media. What do you mean? Maybe they'll let us get a show on there where I could drop a couple of fucks. You know what I i mean they were able to do that because it was after 9 00 p.m correct oh well they're replaying the old episodes they're on at eight and seven throughout the night right like good i would i would turn on an eight o'clock and catch

up where we were at because they're not gonna do uh previously on the last dance which i think it did need each week so i would watch three last dances each week they're moving forward eight o'clock they're letting them fucks fly pal they were letting them swing out there yeah i get i don't know who is uh who's making the rules i guess espn can do what they want especially right now when you know everybody's watching dennis rodman was making rules dennis rodman was doing whatever the hell he went you want to go to vegas in the middle of season fucking do it pal pippen just came back punish everybody else let me go to vegas and then we'll run Native American sprints. My first day back, and I'm going to be in better shape than everybody.

Middle of the finals, trying to get ring number six. I got to go to Nitro, pal. DDP needs to get hit in the back with a chair so we can really sell this pay-per-view. Oh, Carl Malone. How about you and me have a dust-up in the middle of the game to help build up this pay-per-view that WCW bash at at the B27. Dennis Rodman made the rules, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's making the rules right now for ESPN.

He did. I saw where Ron Harper, his teammate, they said, like, oh, what would you call him? He said, a businessman. He got fined 50K, and he made 250 for going to Nitro and missing that practice. You tell me. And he hit somebody with a chair. You tell me. And he set up future matches, too, so he set up future income his way.

Mark Madden, WCW commentator and writer back in the day, he came on the show earlier and said that Carl Malone, Dennis Rodman, in the finals had a little bit of a dust-up on the court game six. That was all set up by the WCW so that they could sell the hulk hogan dennis rodman versus ddp uh carl malone match that was coming up that was all rigged do you think that's true or not i think it's possible i'm sure wcw wanted something like that to kind of organically happen and maybe they mentioned that a few times to carl and dennis and it probably just kind of naturally happened with the style of play they both had. But has Dennis or Carl commented on this?

Because I don't think this is something that Dennis Rodman would lie about. If you asked him directly, like, hey, was this set up by WCW? You guys wanted to do this to kind of build some hype for a wrestling match? Don't you think he would answer, like he would be truthful? You would think. You would think he would be. Someone should ask him we should we get him on the show is he is he in america or is he in north korea i'll reach out to him well we got

to go to weed maps i think weed maps is his big sponsor that's when he went to jim kong uh jim kong's crib i think he had a weed maps thing on he's so why why did your guy as you call him jim kong is it is it known now that he what he faked his death to see who was really on his side yeah it's just like what kim and kanye did just what kim and kanye did what they do they lied to their inner circle about baby names and then whenever a leaked baby name would get out they knew exactly who the who the rat snitch suck hole was in the group get them out get them out that's a that's a proven like thing that works if you do it that way kim jong-un kim jong-un goes into surgery and then as he comes out he's like don't tell anybody

he's like i think that motherfucker's lying tell him him I'm dead. Nobody else knows. Just put me in a hole. Tell that one person. That person goes out parading around. He's dead, he's dead, he's dead, he's dead. Colin Harvey Levin, he's dead, he's dead, he's dead. They start reporting he's dead. I report he's dead. Jim Kong, you're going to update.

The son of a bitch is dead. The man who said he found a unicorn lair one time with a straight face is officially dead. And then little do we know, the only person that was dead was said person who got the information from said person that was the wrong information because he was probably fed to actual wolves while Kim Jong-un watched it and ate food while observing. So, yeah, I guess this would scare anyone's future ambition off.

Like if they wanted to somehow climb the ladder and do something to get some more attention on themselves no you're not going to do it after this stunt right can't do it can't do it he shot somebody with a fucking airplane missile before yeah i really wonder i i've read some books on him I can't even say his name right now after listening to you call him Jim Kong. I don't even know. Are some of those books the books that you read about him right behind you? No, not these. I've listened to a couple of audio books and read an actual legit sit-down read book,

which I don't do a whole lot anymore. That's my name. That's my name. Yeah. That's my name yeah that's my name graphics would you hey if if kim jong-un wanted you to go over and referee a basketball game no would you do it no i put out an entire uh song making fun of him i know much better what if he thought it was funny though he didn't but i have been told that there's people in pretty prominent positions in washington

who have heard the song and enjoyed the song oh i believe that 100 oh yeah and by the way after we released this song there's a lot of slander coming out about jim kong where people were popping off like oh the little fat man and this and that i was like hey wait a minute did i hit the green light on being able to troll this guy i would like to back off of that if jim kong and i were to become friends i think i'd be able to solve all these things these issues you know the meth that he deals to his citizens and all that stuff it's a weird world over there isn't it no inner i mean you look at that map of everybody connected and there's just a black hole right there on that peninsula or on that island north of south korea it's like how does that still exist in 2020?

How does none of us will ever know? And that's the power of Jim Kong-un, who feeds airplane missiles to people's mouths if you don't say what he wants you to say. Yeah, he's a bad dude, obviously. Not that this person is a bad dude, but you mentioned something about some loaded dice in the NFL players, the gambling scandal where they may have brandished a gun, allegedly, and took some cash and watches off of people. What are you talking about loaded dice? Okay, so I said that what I thought happened was

they lost $70,000 a couple nights before in another card game, allegedly. We don't know if any of this is true. We are just trying to connect the dots. They all claim, through their lawyers, I know they're claiming they're innocent and they have proof to back it up that they're going to show to the public after judges see it, I guess. Okay, awesome. I hope so. But until that happens, we have to try to guess

on what potentially could have led to this moment. Because this isn't, two NFL guys aren't just going to start robbing people out of the middle of nowhere. Now, there had to be something that, by the way, most people aren't. But there had to be something to get to this point. Darius Butler, former safety for the Colts, corner for the Patriots, runs everything DB, a podcast now. I said what I thought happened was they won money, people wouldn't pay, so they demanded watches in lieu of payment.

I'll take your watch, I'll take your watch, I'll take your watch, and they get out of there, right? Which I have seen done before. I've seen somebody just give up their watch instead of paying a gambling debt. So maybe that was the case. Darius said, since he heard that there was a $70,000 loss a couple of nights before that, that the players could have learned or been told

that maybe it was a dice game and they were being cheated out of money, said, bloated die, dirty die. Guys lose $70,000 a couple of nights later. Okay, we're here to get our money back now since you kind of screwed us and fucked us later. Okay, we're here to get our money back now since you kind of screwed us and fucked us over. Bang, now they robbed them. I don't know which one it is, but I would assume that neither story will come out exactly how it is. We'll have to kind of piece it together.

But anytime you're getting into high-stakes gambling shit, there's a chance that all hell could break loose, and Adam Sandler found that out the wrong way. Yes, he did. But even if there is, let's say it was a rigged game they were playing in, it's not going to help them with law enforcement. But you would think the reason why this types of thing happen, like I don't want to say speak for these people,

but you see like drug dealers get robbed because the people robbing the drug dealers, like, well, the drug dealers aren't going to call the cops because they're doing something illegal so they're not going to call the cops right that's kind of the well we can rob a bad guy because bad guy won't call cops on said bad decision because they're already doing something that is illegal i would assume that dunbar and baker were like okay this is an illegal game they did something illegal if we go and get ours back they won't be able to do a damn thing about it. And they were like, joke's on you.

I wear a fake watch and I'll fucking call the cops on you. So, I mean, it is kind of an interesting dilemma here that there's been a lot of NFL guys getting in trouble. Talked to Hugh Jackson last week and Hugh was like, he's surprised there isn't more of this

because guys are away from the team. They're out of their routine. They're out of their habits. They're out of their their routine they're out of their habits are out of their schedule they're back in their their hometowns their neighborhoods doing whatever and then over the weekend it just started rattling off like three four or five other guys get arrested for things and i just hope the world can get back to normalcy so these guys can get out of these environments that hopefully can get them out of some trouble well anytime there's any kind of off time for especially like any professional sports,

especially football, because I think it's so strict. It's so like regimented when you are in season. So, you know, that five or six weeks from the end of OTAs in your mini camp until camp, that's always a big time for guys to get arrested and things to happen because you're not with your team and you're like you said, you're hanging out back in your hometown with your buddies. But I think now we haven't seen a ton of it up until now. It's just because where are you going to go? I mean, yeah, you can go over to – they can break the social distancing situation

and go hang out with some people at a house party or whatever. But there's no bars. There's no clubs open, at least up until now. I know some stuff has opened up. But I think that's what kept it kind of down a little bit until now. Intern Emmett's here. Is there any parties or any gatherings? Or is it all kind of social distancing?

Social distancing. Is that right? Yeah. That's not what you were saying. That's not. This fucking guy. Don't play it cool. Don't play it.

Emmett just tried to come in here. He thinks his coaches are watching. Well, he came in here trying to give Tim McAfee coronavirus. Basically. This weekend, he's been socially distancing a little bit too much, I think his coaches are watching. Well, he came in here trying to give Tim McAfee coronavirus. Basically. This weekend, he's been socially distancing a little bit too much, I think. God damn it, Mitt. That's an error. God damn it.

If I've ever seen it. Wait, how did he try to give your dad coronavirus? Well, he was just... Every single rule that they put in here in Indiana, Emmett was dancing with, so he'd get a little... He ate at restaurants outside. but he was the one trying to sneak his left leg inside it was at 50% capacity but was it when Emmett showed up or was it 51% whenever amateur these are all the things Emmett's been

fucking dancing with the line of what is safe and what isn't safe way too much these last couple days. He's the problem. Damn you, man. Emmitt's the reason why we're in quarantine right now. Emmitt would be on that beach in Florida if he could three weeks ago. Oh, yeah. He probably was. He said he couldn't come in and be an intern until a certain date.

Was that whenever the beach was fucking dried up, Emmitt? Jesus. I'm glad we have someone to blame now. Emmett. Emmett McMahon, the reason for quarantine 2020. Emmett McMahon, that's a strong name. What about the golf thing? Did you watch it?

That was riveting. It was the worst. It was just so boring. Listen, the guy I never heard of, Matt Wolfe, pretty good ball player, I guess, pretty good at golf. He's the biggest character of the group. That's because he's got nothing to lose. knows him so i mean he has to bring the character i watched him bomb like he won the long drive early on and they were up by the way i was

in between a couple naps and flipping back and forth with the nascar but nascar was definitely much more riveting than the golf it was awesome to see rory and dustin and ricky and uh mr wolf hit the ball around and the course was gorgeous if I stood close enough to my television it was like I was on vacation you know whenever they would stare off at the beach which is what I love I just love staring at the ocean I enjoyed it but boy that was a snooze fest the entire time I mean Rory banging the closest to the pin 120 yard in the playoff getting six skins and 1.1 million dollars obviously awesome we told you rory and dustin johnson were gonna win easily they did i got my bet in which was

awesome but that wolf and fowler team really put up quite a fight that i did not expect but it was boring as shit and i am a little bit worried that this weekend's game is going to be the same that's why i'm wondering do you think it maybe turned some people away from thinking about watching the the tiger phil payton tom brady match or do you think it served as a nice little appetizer for the main event i just hope it served as a lesson for the people that are putting it on like okay we don't have to talk the exact same way whenever there's actual people here and maybe we should bring a little bit of fucking excitement. You know what ruined it too, though?

It ruined being on network TV that they had to go to commercial after every single tee shot, I feel like. And we didn't get to see the guys walking up the fairway together. That's why I think you tune into this, to hear the conversations these guys are having. I think they tried their best. Bill Murray came in sideways. I mean, that conversation conversation was i don't know

10 to 20 minutes too long but i appreciated that they brought in some guests i thought they were gonna do more of that right uh president called in bill murray called in nobody else really i thought torico tried his best there but all in all i thought it was rather snoozy whenever you had a chance to watch uh the kyle larson list nascar squad take off on fox at about the same time what was the nascar like i only saw a real little bit same exact feel normal same exact as it always is yep same exactly show that did they did they find a way to zoom in and not show the empty stands or what well you know there's only a couple real in nascar people are going to come after me for this. I just gave you a compliment, though.

So if this gets clipped at this point, I don't know what to fucking tell you. There's normally not a lot of motherfuckers at the races anyways. There's only certain races that it's filled up, right? Are you sure? What's that? Are you sure about that? I feel like all of them, at least that are televised, are jammed. No, yeah.

See, they'll get you that shot. But if you look towards the end, there's empty bleachers and stuff like that. Now, granted, the big ones are always going to be filled up. But I don't think that affects the coverage as much as in sports where the reaction is needed. For instance, I don't think the NFL relies on the crowd reaction as much as college football does. College football, I think, needs that environment to make it a little bit better to enhance it. NFL does not. I think NASCAR doesn't need it a little bit better to enhance it. NFL does not. I think NASCAR doesn't need the crowd to enhance this situation.

I think golf does on a very, I don't think UFC needs it, right? I don't think UFC needs it at all. I actually like it a little bit more when I can hear everything they're saying. I think soccer does though. So I think we're learning throughout this entire thing,

what potentially needs a crowd reaction or is better with a crowd reaction versus what is it i would take sports with no audience 10 times out of 10 over sports with no no sports at all but i think we are learning which sports need an audience and i think golf is one that could potentially benefit from having people react with a little bit of energy so it's not a fest the entire time well it is tough. So NBC put that on. Who was putting on the Tom Brady match? Turner. Okay, so was Charles Barkley involved at all? I would think he could help try to liven him up. Because, you know, if they're not talking,

he'll make fun of them and go back at them. I think Ernie hosted the preview little talk, so I assume he's calling it, which hopefully Chuck would be involved. I know Lefkoe is doing the pregame thing. Let's go. Here we go. Here we go. Okay, so we got know Lefkoe is doing the pregame thing. Let's go. Here we go. Here we go.

Okay. So we got some Lefkoe mania coming before the golf thing. And then the golf thing with Ernie on there. Hey, why'd they carry their bags? Why didn't they just ride in a cart by themselves? Respect the game, dude. Yeah, dude. Gentleman's game.

Respect the game. It made him look like I thought they were college kids when they would hit a good shot and then they got to pick up their bag. By the way, that's what Matt Wolfe is. He's a college kid. He's one of the most accomplished college golfers of all time. The Zion of college golf, they said, didn't they? He's not, by the way.

You know who's the Zion of college golf? Tiger fucking Woods. He's at Stanford. I don't need to hear Matthew Wolfe is the Zion. Maybe I'm hating on Matthew Wolfe, too. I think you are. I don't know to hear Matthew Wolfe. He's the Zion. Maybe I'm hating on Matthew Wolfe, too. I think you are. He seems like a guy. I didn't know anything about him.

But he seems like a guy that could bring some character, bring some color to the tour. He had the handlebar mustache, the chest hair. He has that really weird swing. And he bombs the ball. So I think that's good for golf. Okay. I like Matthew Wolfe. Nice job, Wolfe.

He was around. If he was that good, though, he would have went straight to the tour and would have gone to college. You don't know. You don't know how he values his schooling. Well, you're right. Oklahoma State's where you're going to head as soon as you want a real education. Did Tiger play in college?

Yes, he did. Unwarranted shot at Oklahoma State. Tiger went to college? Mm-hmm. What do you mean? The billionaire funds everything there what's his name what's his name again guy from stanford t boone pickens is he didn't he die recently yeah he did yeah who t boone pickens moment silence for t boone pickens this is a real person this

is a movie a couple years ago real person number one donor oklahoma state to the stadiums named beautiful facility moment silence for T-Bone? Are you fucking kidding me? We can't even get one minute? Who was that? Ty. Who do you think? Oh, well, okay. What's that?

It's Ty. It's Ty. So I should respect Matthew Wolf more is what I'm being told? Yes. I still think I golf for a week and a half, two weeks, I can beat the guy. Just Matthew Wolfe? You don't think you can take on DJ? You might need 10 days for DJ.

Maybe four weeks for Dustin Johnson. He hits the ball a long way. I guess Wolfe is a real bomber, though. He's my new guy. He won the long drive thing. All right, Matthew Wolfe's my new guy. Matthew Wolfe's my new guy. I canew wolf's my new guy i can't wait to watch this guy fade into obscurity like what the other 400 golfers that never make it this is going

to be my guy you know what's going to be the best and matthew wolf when he has like five majors three years from now and they're going to play this clip in like a little highlight reel at the very beginning it's going to be you on camera being super just just killing the dude like you're trying to give him a compliment yeah but we will answer with May 18 2020 I say he's my guy that's you know what I mean we'll answer we'll answer that we can each selectively edit however we would like to edit I never heard of the dude I guess he's good in college I don't watch college golf I watched the pros swing the sticks for millions of dollars i would have hoped that another notable individual would have been a

part of the snooze fest but now that they brought matthew wolf i'm thankful that's why he's my guy matthew wolf is my guy what happened why did he get in what made him nobody knows i still don't know because he was the zion of call they were thinking that maybe all the college golf fans would want to watch don't you think there would have been multiple professional golfers that would have loved that spot how about brooks kepka how about we get a guy who hates golf is brooks it was a tailor-made thing so i think they had to go tailor-made people nope rory mack i found it so rory swings uh what did i say earlier? I bet Rory used tailor-made clubs. Sorry, Ricky.

Ricky is a Cobra. Cobra, but I guess he plays a tailor-made ball. Oh, my God. So you had to have some sort of tailor-made, I'm guessing, in your setup to be in this. Well, Brooks kept going. He was a kid playing hockey. He always had that tailor-made mitt.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Whenever he'd go out there and golf on Lake Minnetonka. That's what we need. Titleists to put on an event too for Brooks to play. Brooks is from Florida. Why is he in Lake Minnetonka? You know, vacations and stuff. What happened to Bryson DeChambeau? I thought he was college golf's

hero. Science. No, science got to him. Who's that guy we hate? Patrick Thomas. Patrick Reed. I love him. There's some weird allegations Against Patrick Reed From like his college time He's a cheater

What stuff Stealing laptops and shit from his teammates I thought it was like On course stuff too Really A little foot wedge Just like 6 months ago He ground his club in the sand He moved sand from behind his ball Can't foot wedge see yeah he hit his it was just like six months ago he didn't he he

ground his club in the sand yeah he moved sand from behind his ball yeah can't fucking do it pal can't do it won't do it can't do it pal there's no excuse like you can't claim ignorance either i don't know he i don't know any of them tiger's my guy and matthew wolf yeah is this son of a bitch even qualified does he have a cue card or whatever it is? He's won a few events. Yeah, he's hot. He's not hot. He fucking lost yesterday. Rory and Dustin playing their worst golf.

I mean, that's not bad. It's not a bad thing to say you lost to Rory and Dustin. What do you got to do? You got to go to cue school if you want to get the card and the whole thing, and then you go on golf the big break, and then you break a couple pans of glass. Is that still going on? No.

I wish. It was an awesome show. It was. It was late night. I wish. It was an awesome show. It was. It was late night. I used to watch it all the time. Pat, you would have been a great subject for Hank Haney to work with. You know how he did Phelps, Barkley, and spends all this time with them? He's a little highbrow for me, a little hoity-toity.

I'd have had to slap him in the mouth once or twice, but I think we would have been good. I think it would have been a good conversation. I think there would have been. Think about it, Pat. It would be the first week you guys would just be butting heads the whole time, like, oh, who's the alpha? I'm going to establish myself as the alpha, just like you're trying to do in your text conversation

with your close personal friend Aaron Rodgers. No, no, no. No, that ain't – We're both nervous. We're not trying to – Oh, you're both nervous. My bad. Yeah, he did actually – I got a text right before we went on.

It was weird. He's like, hey, man, when you're done with – I know you've got this big show coming up here at one good luck it's always great i love watching it hit me back after the show's over because i'm not really sure what i should say say to pat maybe you have some good insight i thought that was now it makes sense that you told me the story aj we we talked in the first show about how good mike you see the my chop block defenses you see that let me see oh terrible you're cut all day long your hands your hands stayed at your waist well i pushed the guy off look oh you hit the table that's where our shoulders are you see that did your legs are still

too close right your legs are too close right there you're cut you're down no i'm not no no legs back look at this not cut not cut not cut i'm still here you're just running in place while the ball carrier runs around you and scores a touchdown oh oh anyways how long you think i would last in a ufc fight against a professional fighter as long as the fighter wants to let you last no see i think you're wrong i think i'm in control here so all right wait are you fighting somebody in your same weight class yeah which would be heavyweight it's heavyweight right now so francis and gano daniel cormier brock lesnar there's some big guys up there not brock lesnar anybody but brock lesnar brock will come back he'll come back no let's give me just because i'll i'll take that uh in ghanu in ghanu guy i don't want to

this is just for the story okay this is just for the story i think i you don't think i could avoid for a minute and a half before he knocks me the fuck out are you serious yeah look at that okay what are you gonna do when he's swinging so like his arm first off his wingspan is crazy it was a deep lock i'll pay to see it and god who pinned no no we're not actually doing this this is something that was asked to me by a guy nobody would license this obviously it would no no commission would let this happen i'm not signing off on it this is just a hypothetical yeah no there's no chance you would last 90 seconds with francis and garner you could put full you could wear your football helmet all your pads every you could take my high

school shoulder pads that are gigantic you could put them on with the helmet strap all the way up and you're not going to last 90 seconds the issue is I don't think I can run for 90 seconds. You know what I mean? I'm going to run. Yeah, but what if you clip him 10 seconds in and it lights out? You ever heard of this? Night-night. Night-night.

This is called Ambien, cuz. And don't let Advil PM get fucking involved in this. Take two of these. You know what I mean? I'll give you four pills if you need it, bub. Here. Turn your wrist back out now.

Keep doing that. Somebody got me earlier for the fucking Ray Finkel plunger. Jim Carrey. Last week. It's not a good gif. So your right hand is ambient.

Your left one's Advil PM. Yeah, yeah. They'll both put you to sleep one faster than the other. You know what? Ty brings up a good point. I did not think of what could – you have a puncher's chance. That's what they say.

So what if you clip him the first 10 seconds and then you pounce on him? Well, I definitely will not clip him within the first 10 seconds because I am running for at least 30 to 45 seconds. But whenever I get to the point where the cage, you know, kind of has me – I'm kind of in a spot and I can't run anymore, then that's where I'm throwing everything I got just trying to catch it. And, yeah, I understand that there's probably one coming back. But if that connects, I win.

It's a double knockout. You're both going out. But I'm on the cage, so I can't fall as fast as he can because I'm up against the cage because he's cornering me like I'm a wildebeest. So I'm still standing. I'm out of my feet. He's done.

Who's the winner? Nobody knows. How about one punt to the thigh to him? I feel like leg kicks would be a year. He wouldn't even flinch. Leg kicks hurt me. You don't think he's been leg kicked harder than you could leg kick him?

I don't know. I understand. Your quads are good for absorbing leg kicks, I think, Pat. I'm sure you could have a hell of a leg kick, but not anything compared to a professional fighter. All right, head kick then. Okay. Are those professional fighters moving soccer balls 124 fucking miles an hour? Answer that, AJ. Is that really happening? I an hour answer that aj is that really happening i

don't i might be wrong but is that happening no they're kicking through people's legs that is true because when mitrione kicked me in the thigh almost took me down i kicked him in the thigh he kept his little bounce thing you know what i mean it's you watch gaethje didn't you watch gaethje tony ferguson a couple what was that a week ago oh yeah gaethje. Didn't you watch Gaethje, Tony Ferguson a couple, what was that, a week ago? Oh, yeah. Gaethje's leg kicks are absolutely nasty. Like, guys can't even stand. Well, you're supposed to kick with your shin, by the way. Oh, no.

So, I mean, if I'm in one of them fights, I guess I'm going and kicking bamboo like I'm Karate Kid for a while. Yeah, you got to deaden the nerves. Yeah, I'm probably taking this thing and just cranking it. You know what I mean? Why don't we start out today? Let's start today. No, I'm not doing it. I just cranking it. You know what I mean? Why don't we start out today? Let's start today. No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm just, the question was, how long do I last in there?

And I think I could run and potentially avoid, avoid, avoid, avoid. I mean, if you're on a football field, I think you could run. You could maybe make it to 60 seconds, but he's going to get you. I want to let you know, you would never in a million years cut block me. Why would I even try to cut? I would take you high all day. Huh?

I would never cut you. I would go high all day long. I would never take the easy way out. Bro, I would Cobra Strike you in the fucking face. It would be a fun collision because we would both be both our foreheads would meet

as our hands were shooting out and it's like, okay, let's just see. And we both get dinged up and we're both holding each other up as we're slightly unconscious. Oh, good job. All right, good job. We pat each other on the back.

All right, see you next play. How many dances have you had with guys where it was like, all right, who's letting go first? Easy, easy, easy, easy. And both get up. Because you're two professional athletes, two meatheads, and you're about this athletes, two meatheads,

and you're about this far apart from each other, staring at each other, hands locked in, mouthpieces potentially in. Easy, easy, easy, easy, easy. I got you, I got you, I got you. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Easy, easy. Come on, man, come on. Don't be like these dumb rooks you have.

Come on, easy. And then every once in a while, whenever you go to let go, one person will hand swipe, you know, so they win the fight. You got to hand swipe him, and then you push off, and like, alright, next play, we got a headbutt again. Every time I got blocked on kickoffs, I took it as such an honor. Yeah, I would. But I knew at the end

I was gonna win at the end of the film, you know what I mean? So, like, as we were standing up, like, easy, easy, easy, whenever the play was over, I was gonna do at least just a little something so it looked like it was on film that I was trying, you know what I mean? Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me.

How mad would those guys get? Especially if they kind of did take it. If you were doing easy, easy, easy, and you guys were kind of finishing up the play like that, and he's like, I could have dumped this dude, and then you chop and you rip off him like sprint. You sprint five yards. So unfiltered. Fuck you. By the's like, I could have dumped this dude. And then you chop and you rip off of him, like sprint. You sprint five yards. So unfiltered.

Fuck you. Like, by the way, I've never even thought about them. Because usually it's so, like, I'll wait until at least their head's turned. You know what I mean? So they don't even know that I'm just strictly flexing for film at the moment. Hey, you know, the stuff that you do, and I'm sure you would agree with this, when a punter does something like that and he's doing a dick move like that, engaging and ripping off to try to look good at the end of the film,

that's the prime thing. It's one of the first things the special teams coach on the Monday leading up to your game will put on. Like, hey, look at this dickhead. Don't get caught up with him. Don't listen to him. The dude thinks he's funny. He's slamming a river.

Who cares? You take him down. Do not listen to him. He's going to try to butter you up in warm-ups, make you think you're awesome. He's going to mention something to make a personal connection between you two, but it's all an act. He's going to try to make himself look good at the end of the play, so just take him out.

Don't mess with him. Don't listen to him. Don't talk to him. Just put him on the ground. I feel like this is something you heard said by a special teams coach because I had a lot of guys come up to me, they were like uh oh we watched your film uh on blah blah blah they would say something in warm-ups or whatever i'll be like oh it's gonna be a long day you know hopefully you don't kill me and they're like hopefully you don't kill me we saw

your film on blah blah blah i'm like you guys watched my film like oh yeah we we watched every single tackle that you had three times this week and it was said like don't get tackled by him if you get tackled by him i'm like okay so i'm definitely getting blocked this week that's what that means in my head i couldn't even think about who's coming to uh potentially assassinate me though and you know i looked at it as a compliment but that was my mo everything you just said there is basically my mo look at this he's gonna try to win you over and then he's gonna ruin it at the end that was literally game in game out little sportsmanship little gamesmanship you gotta do what you gotta do well you're a professional i think that is a compliment for a coach to say that to his whole

special teams room hey listen don't fucking this guy he might look a little pudgy this year he's a little bit fatter than last year this is what he's done in the past though let's remember that and you're coming to block him don't let him do i was great at o-laying folks too oh that was one of my big you can't do that on defensive side you have to square those blocks up i used to be able to just go whoop see you later nothing happened in here whole different world god see uh so for like uh when a team's basically about like kneel the ball is there like a safe word that's said that you know that not to, like, go full speed? AJ, because when Greg Sciano came in and started doing the dive at the knees

during the victory formation, obviously there were some people a bit perturbed by this whole thing, telling Sciano to get the hell out of the league, basically. This is, like, something that's respected. It's not a forfeit. It's basically a forfeit at that time by the defense aside. Were you ever a part of a team or a situation where a player was like,

I go hard every single rep no matter what, even if it's victory formation? Yeah, I mean, in some situations like that when the offense is kneeling it, I play with Mike Daniels who's in Detroit now. I think he may a few times may have dove at the ball, and Mike's one of those guys that's a guy who plays hard all the time. Check out his Instagram sometime. He's posting all kinds of workout vids out there for you. Like, he's an intense dude.

And I think he may have jumped once. And then, like, there's always a couple vet O-line. And they're like, come on, man. They talk to the vet D-line. I'm like, man, take care of this dude or we're going to kill him. Like, that's what they basically were talking to the rest of the defense. Then guys were like, all right, this sucks anyway. The team's kneeling the ball on us.

But, yeah, I think it is kind of a – I don't know. I was torn when Shiano did that and then Shiano like stood up and was like, well, we're going to do this. The game, there's still minutes. There's still seconds on the clock. We're trying to win this game. And I'm like, I don't know. You got to cut back to some footage of the last time someone was successful

knocking the ball when the center had already started the snap. Have you seen that on film where someone's gotten it? I've seen it in practice. We had a D lineman that was very quick, that when the ball would go up, he was able to get it. By the time ball leaves ground to taint, the guy was able to slap it in practice. And I was always like, is that legal in the game or whatever?

And I never got an actual answer. It is, but you have to not go offside. So you've got to time up exactly right and the center has to be super slow with his snap. And you have to get it once the ball starts moving, then you can get your hand in it and try to get enough on the ball to knock it loose and then try to dive on it.

I just haven't seen it happen a whole lot. I'm sure it has. I almost had to go out and take the kneel down in Miami when Charlie Whitehurst blew out his hamstring. I almost had to get out there. Were you nervous? Well, it would have been my first ever snaps under center, and it would have been victory formation during a time

period where we were not winning a lot. So all I could think, and I think Indomitian Sioux was on the other team. So it would have been me under center with Indomitian Sioux sitting right there. And I would have loved to heard what came out of my mouth right before I lined up there. Would you have danced around for a little bit before you took the knee

to waste some more time? Now, when guys do that, I think they are free game to go after them. Well, and they're trying to kill their offensive linemen. Just trying to kill them. Completely trying to kill them. My favorite is when – They're the ones that lose their to kill their offensive linemen. Yeah. Just trying to kill them. Completely trying to kill them. My favorite is when – Offensive linemen are the ones that are going to – they're the ones that lose their mind when the defensive linemen

will start diving at everyone's knees trying to get the ball on those snaps. Like that's who – those guys will jump you. My favorite is when they have to move forward because there's no place to go backwards to take your knee. So you've got to run like a quarterback sneak while everybody's trying to not look like they're quitting on football and it's just like one big cluster fuck and then down that's probably what i would have tried to gain some yards on my rush would you try to draw them off with a hard count probably i mean you would

definitely get your own guys offsides they'd fall start you gotta remember my guys heard my cadence every day in practice you know what i mean when i was going hot but the um hot the uh if i see the white of his knuckles, you know what I mean? I know he's coming. If it's red, I know he's relaxed. If he's on the edge of his knuckles, I'm going to bring him.

I'm going to bring him through it. What D-lineman's not wearing gloves? Well, this is what they told Rudy. You know what they told Rudy? Vince Papali. Vince Papali. There it is offside. Vince Papali. There it is.

It was Vince Papali was told that. Hey, Rudy got a sack. Offside. Come on, Ian. Did he really? In the movie, yeah. Has anyone fact-checked that? He's got a big old sack, dude.

Didn't happen. Oh, it didn't? Sorry. No. Pat, did you have a cadence when you were a punter? Oh, yeah. Are you calling it your PP doing it? No, whenever I was field goals, I have a cadence.

What was it? Let's hear it. Well, it depends. What's it on? You tell me what we're on. It's on two. Give me the distance. Give me the time.

Give me the situation. It's a 35-yarder in the right hash. Right hash. Six minutes in the fourth quarter. Fourth and four. What's the score? Tie game. Fourth and four, tie game?

Oof. Okay, so I'm definitely trying to get them to jump offside so we can blow at least a little bit more of the clock before we kick it off. So I'm probably going on. Did I go on two earlier? If I went on two earlier in the game, I'm hitting them with a three-piece, which, by the way, is Ursae, Ursae, because he's got three daughters. Okay, so the call would be Ursae,

and I would come out and drop a nice little, what hash are we on, right hash? Yep. So it would be blue, right, because if this thing goes to hell, we're rolling to the left. Blue, blue, set. Try to get them on that one. No jump.

Let's do a little bit of time here then for the second one. Set, you, set. Then the second and third one are fast, back and forth, because if I get them on the second one, i want to make sure they don't get back do you know beforehand that the second and third are going to be that fast uh yeah normally in practice we practice it every single every single field goal in practice was either on a different number because it's more so for granted you have to have a kicker that's able to do it vinitary but also the offensive line has to be very very conditioned to doing it because if you take a 35 yard field goal and make it a 38 or 40 yard field goal not that

big of a deal you take a 47 yard field goal and make it a 52 yard field goal you you you better go ahead and just walk it right back to the locker room and just act like you got nothing going on but yeah i felt good it used to come after me a little bit i had to adjust because you couldn't move your hand or your head anymore. So it was just strictly gut. So the fatter I got, the more I moved. So I had to get a little bit thinner. When we were wearing blue jerseys, it was a lot easier than when we were wearing the

fucking spotlighted fishbowl white jerseys that we were wearing. I mean, it was a lot of those things. But yeah, try to get a good read on them. It's interesting to hear how much goes into it. Well, I got a lot of people off sides to be honest with you i feel like i had a pretty good cadence but i also got called a couple times and vinitary wasn't pleased whenever that would happen i would always tell him that's bullshit call you know what i didn't check the film yeah check the yeah the best was when they used to be able to try to jump over the center like when i was in college our snapper would snap the ball and his move was to jump and try to punch the guy in the balls not jump but he would his head would

be forced down but he would throw his hand up and always just be punching in the air to try to punch that guy as he's jumping over top of him yeah their little job was trying to get him right there in sack whenever they're jumping because then it'll make him crunch at least a little bit jamie collins did it to us and it was too far as soon as i saw him roaming in the back, I was like, oh, no, we've got to change this cadence to on two, but I'd already been into the cadence. It was like, what do we do? What do we do?

And then I saw him timing it perfectly, and I was like, oh, well, we're fucked here. And he did. He jumped over as the ball was being snapped perfectly, blocks the kick. I tried to chase it down, the whole thing. That's a scary situation for sure. Well, they can jump, but they have to be, like, in's a scary situation for sure well they can jump but they have to be like in the a gaps right and they can't touch anybody you can't use your hand to

assist yourself your foot can't even nudge and propel yourself you have to be within um you have to be within the front line so you have to be within i forget the total distance you might know i don't know maybe six inches or something like that and you can't touch anybody on the way up or the way down and you can't line up directly over the center that's the snapper that's a penalty too that they call sometimes yeah so he came from the second level and then he just so happened to time it up so if we really wanted to fight this which i'm not sure what the rule was at the time he was lined up over the center as he was snapping this so that potentially with the modern

rules gets reversed but i think back then they were kind of in the adjustment period that was back whenever the long snappers either this year or before that were still getting crushed i mean long snappers used to get crushed just snap it and they'd have two guys that would take them all the way but they'd end up on their back with two dudes on top of in their heads would be straight down and these dudes would just be absolute just 600 pounds double push sometimes on each of their shoulders. And they were like, well, they changed the rules. Everybody's like, oh, long snappers are so fucking soft. It's like some of them were holding 1,200 pounds worth of force

on their shoulders and their neck while they were doing it. But there's always going to be ways to get around it. Jamie Collins was one of them. Hey, do you think, I had somebody tell me years ago that they think there should be a show on NFL Network, ESPN, whatever, that is strictly special teams? Like, do you think there's a thirst for that out there? Yeah, I mean, there's so much knowledge

that hasn't been told about special teams. Do people want to know, though? I think I've made a pretty good career off of it. I think for the brand videos, I mean, one led to a Wall Street Journal article. Well, that's because of your personality, though, and who you are. That's not like some guy meticulously going through special teams plays. Well, I mean, if Jay Feeley was doing it, probably nobody's going to watch. Ben Stein, nobody's going to watch.

But I think it all is in the delivery of said information. Some professors are worth a damn. Some aren't. And their delivery i believe would be everything jay feely took a ricochet shot he wasn't deserved of but i'm just saying i don't think a lot of people knew about special teams until it's articulated in a fashion it's like oh this makes a little bit more sense to me as opposed to the you know all the other bullshit that has happened over the years yeah i don't know i think it may be all right people are

people love to hear like that's what why I mean I'm curious about ways that you looked at special teams. Like I said, when I was thrown in there, those guys played mind tricks on me and would mess with me, man. They were such a tight group. I feel like they had so many tricks. Bill Belichick is a guy I'd like to hear talk about special teams. He will.

That's one of the few things I think he will elaborate on. I'd like to have a conversation with him about special teams And he would remember Every punt you ever had in college And the NFL They worked me out Strictly so that Pat White could have Somebody punting balls to him

Which is interesting That's a great opportunity for you I thought so too Thought I had a pretty good day too Turns out I did not. They did not. Well, who was their punter then? I think they got Zoltan Mesko at the time from Michigan.

They love lefty punters though. Not anymore. They're past that because there's too many lefties. So now there's a bunch of lefties. Back whenever there was no lefties, it was a smart decision because the ball turned over the opposite direction. You can make a return or have to think about something. Anything that can kind of cause a little bit of a glip in the consistency of something you would do.

But now there's a bunch of lefties, so it's not really that normal anymore. Not really that irregular, I mean. Yeah, I guess. Linebackers. Everybody said linebackers are the next ones out of the game. Kickers and then linebackers are next. What do you mean? Well, you don't see any linebackers getting big paydays anymore. Oh, inside backers? No, not a whole lot. You're right. So is everybody just going to become a

nickel on the defensive side of the ball? Yeah, as far as where offenses are going, you're going to have a bunch of these hybrid safety linebacker guys that you can kind of be in between. They'll be like a big safety that can come down the box, but he's also a good cover man where you feel comfortable putting him on your tight end or slot receivers. He's not a corner, but he's a big safety, and those guys are very valuable now. Isaiah Simmons, they said he's going to lock in a linebacker, I guess.

But as a linebacker in this modern day and age, he's going to have to play safety. They're going to rush him off the edge. He's going to have to drop back. I mean, Isaiah Simmons is the prototype that everybody will be looking for, moving forward. What's that? Good luck.

There's not a whole lot of people that are born with his physical stature and able to run, what, sub 4-4 and play every position on defense. How long? What? What, did he run a 4-3 or 4-2? 4-3-8, I believe. 4-3-8? He's like 6'4", 230-something, 240?

You know, they said Michael Jordan ran a 4-3-8 at North Carolina. Did they really? Oh, yeah. Roy Williams said it. That's what they said. I don't know. Why would you time a basketball player in a 40? Just so Roy Williams can lie.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me, pal. Sounds like a bunch of to me pal sounds like a bunch of if he did I would guess that's the last 40 Michael Jordan ever ran and when he was at North Carolina no he used to run all the time that was the thing about Michael Jordan he ran all the time what was his time down the uh first base path that's probably a good way to judge what's that 60 yeah there's a question he ran it for his first 13 games of his baseball career that that fun little fact gets left out a lot whenever people talk about him playing baseball being a bad baseball player he was a stud baseball player he was righty he was righty though yeah i'm talking about me playing baseball oh yeah i know that's still a thing it is still a thing have you heard

one single player come out and say blake Snow wasn't speaking exactly what we were all thinking? No, they're all agreeing with him. They all think it's be a bunch of sack of shit malarkey. They ain't going to have a league. So what do you think is going to happen? I read something where it talked about how much has to go into it for baseball to happen. There's a lot to get together, and they don't have a whole lot of time.

Three to four weeks. They have to get all the governors and mayors to say, yep, you can play here. They've got to get the local and they don't have a whole lot of time. Three to four weeks, they have to get all the governors and mayors to say, yep, you can play here. They've got to get the local television and local radio people an ability to cover it however they're going to cover it. You've got to get the baseball players to agree to not only a 50% salary cut because you're only playing half the games, but now a 50-50 revenue split, which is allegedly 33% more, Don.

Then you take in the taxes. You're going to make the players have to accept 10% of what they think they're going to make for a shortened season and uh it all has to happen within the next three to four weeks I just don't see it happening even though I want baseball to come back I'm not 100 sure they get this done without replacements and if they need replacements what have we been saying this whole time me and you we're ready what position you plan I'm I normally start right field whenever I play. That's perfect. I'll go center.

Okay, you're going to have to run a lot more. But if they need me to pitch, I'll pitch too. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think I might need to be the closer. I don't think my elbow and shoulder can hold up like it used to. Are you coming out of the – you're coming out of – what's your song that you're jogging out to? I'm sprinting out.

They're just going to replay. I'm going to sprint from center field to the mound. And then you've got to send someone from the dugout to center. John Rocker. What's the song going to be, though? I don't know. Brad Michaels. Oh, mama, I'm in fear for a life full of love.

But I'll be – I'm already at the mound by now. I'm already at the mound. It's going to have to be something that hits real early on because I'm going to be at the mound in a split second. Oh, you're saying you still got the juice. You're going to be there fast. We don't have all day, pal. We got a quick run.

What, no warm-up pitches? I'm going to sprint there, and I'll be out of breath for the first, like, eight pitches I throw. Is this the thing right here? No, it's this one. This one right here? Yeah. What's this for?

This is the fun. You do look comfortable, lefty. You really do. Thank you. Swing. I want to see it. What's this for? You do look comfortable, lefty. You really do. Swing. I want to see it. Oh, jeez. Did you hit the table? What did that hit?

Look at the table. It's got marks on it. Is that from the bat? No, it's TV. We're about two inches away from a cracked screen. That's a home run. That telester's cheap. We're all good, boys.

Good hit! That was a fucking hack. Good hit! Thought I had enough room. That's what happens when you play sticks in here. Nice. Oh, mama, I'm in fear. The touchscreen almost got it.

Hey, Pat, but you mentioned all of those stumbling blocks that could be in the way. Good hack. That was a good hack. You're right. But have you read the protocols, though? The showering is discouraged for the players in the clubhouse. Shower pill. If they're in the clubhouse, they got to wear a mask until they get on the field.

There's no high fives. There's no dip. There's no sunflower seeds. Wait, no chow? There's no no gatorade tubs you got to have your own individual things like there's a lot of things in place also if somebody tests positive what do they do with them how long are they quarantined all kinds of situations going on yeah it ain't gonna happen if they can't chaw they will cancel the season it's like toward already said no seeds no dip i wonder if that means no gum either. They're going to sneak that in there. You need seeds and dip.

I don't want to say that tobacco is a big part of baseball, but I feel like anybody who has seen baseball knows that a massive hog in the side of the face is something that. Golf too now. Golf is huge for dippers. I don't know why. It's the worst. I don't understand why. It's the worst. I don't understand why.

It's terrible. It's because they can do it because it's something you can do while golfing, while playing baseball. Smoke a cig. Guys used to dip while they were playing football. You hear stories about that from the 80s and the early 90s. Guys would play with a dip. Cigs are bad for you.

My guy, Janikowski, the best. Did he do it? Yeah, he jogged up to me. I'm outing him kind of here, but I guess it just adds to the Janikowski. Him and Leckler came jogging over to me pregame, first time we were playing against them in Oakland, and it was after I got in trouble. So Janikowski thanked me for being the drunk kicker now instead of him.

He goes, ah, thanks. And they got big old. I mean, I've never seen a lipper as big as I've seen those two jogging over to me. It was incredible. Just go on. Edwin always has bombs in, too. Go on both. Whenever he told me to.

Wait, what? Please do. Please tell me what he said to you. Well, I asked him. I was like, he said, thank you or whatever. For me, becoming the bad drunk kicker or whatever. And I was like, this substance of abuse policy is terrible. They're testing me eight times a month.

I can't do anything. I think my life is ruined. He goes, go on cruise. What they do, land on boat. And I started dying laughing. I was like, bingo. So I went on like three cruises that offseason or whatever. And here we go.

That's how you get around it. And then the lockout happened. And I love Janikowski and Leckler. I absolutely love those men. But that was one of the biggest i've ever seen on the field of play jogging up to me when he was talking to me yeah how would you feel if you were playing and you fell and like your elbow went to a big old puddle of dip spit that happens all the time people you do um happens in practice a lot oh a lot of coaches dip too yeah coaches dip i mean that spit is everywhere.

There's been a couple of Play 60 events I go to where in the exact place that these kids are rolling around in, I saw a coach probably puke and spit in there less than 12 hours before. It was probably field turf, too. That's the best when guys spit on field turf. I'm like, let's play 60, but let's also wash for at least 60, 70 minutes each one of our fucking hands that are in the middle of a cesspool right now in this field. I mean, it was a wild scene out there.

Some other things we should talk about that obviously happened. Frank Reich is very optimistic that Phil Rivers will spend multiple years with the Colts, so he's not going to be a high school coach just yet. Nobody knows if that's true. Can't even really talk about it. Premier League clubs have agreed to resume training this week after Bundesesliga had success as well as the nascar and golf lakers will open their facility after getting clearance from la county government and health officials here we go feels like we're coming back to life and big shout out to the golfers

nascars human cockfighters and the soccer players this weekend who put on an absolute show for all of us. Wait, so how did the Lakers in L.A. County get okayed when all I hear is people in L.A. freaking out because they supposedly extended their lockdown to, what, August 1st? Yeah, no, three months, three to four months. I guess the thing about the Lakers is if there's a chance to get a stimulus know a stimulus check they're gonna do it yeah we know California needs they need money too well the Lakers got 4.4 million dollars for that uh payroll back cover yeah they gave it back but they still had to fucking apply for it right so let's not yes very noble to give that back but at some, whenever they applied for it, I mean, that's ridiculous.

Four billion dollar franchise. The Lakers do whatever the hell they want. They provide us with a lot of entertainment. I would assume that they said, hey, other cities and teams are going to be able to get back into their facilities. 22 of 30 allegedly were supposed to open today. The Lakers were like, you have to let us in there. I assume the Clippers are saying the same thing i assume there's a big long guideline set of rules on what they can do to get back in there but i think if the lakers want something to happen they're they're

going to make it happen just like they did with the stimulus check stuff how is that why why is the nba different to where there's teams going back and coaches going back at different times and the nfl is saying like no even though some facilities are opening up to other personnel coaches are not allowed in until they're all allowed in it seems like well i think the nfl is doing a rollout where 50 of the building is allowed to come back there's never allowed to be there's an entire process i would assume that the nfl owners are much more pissed off about potential advantages from cities that are in the middle of america as opposed to on coast. That's why they also have more time though. I think the NBA is dealing in much tighter time constraints as opposed to the NFL, especially if they're trying to resume last year in a tournament

style. So I think that's why they're kind of pushing for it to open quick as possible and maybe putting a little bit pressure on the teams that can't open it. The NFL though, you know that if all it takes is what, two owners to be furious and for them to have to hold something back but i assume the nfl will also dodge dip dive duck and dodge their way right into season going off without a single hitch yeah they will and i i think it's it makes sense though to not let certain coaches come back in while other coaches are stuck at home i get it like sure is that a competitive advantage i don't know if it's really going to show on the field next year, but I understand why if you were a coach stuck at home for an extra 40 days,

you'd feel like you're a little bit behind the eight ball. How is it different for like they wouldn't let the UFC come back in California, and I would assume there's more people that would be at an NBA facility. How is that different at all? Why would they let the Lakers open up their facility but they wouldn't let those UFC fights go off in California well why are you allowed in a grocery store but not a restaurant I mean there's a lot of I don't want to say hypocritical things happening but there seems to be a lot of things that directly oppose other things that are going on and i think it's because we're in an unprecedented time where nobody knows what the hell is going to happen

and i would assume that everybody i don't want to say everybody's just pulling things out of their ass but it does feel as if things are just getting pulled out of asses at this point and just being like yup this is smart i have said since day one how come i'm allowed to go into this grocery store where everybody can finger fuck my food and it's packed everybody in the entire town is in this grocery store because it's the only place you can go but you can't go to the restaurant that's two doors down that's going out of business because you're not there and you can't order food just the entire thing has not made much sense and i think history five years ten years from now will ask a lot of questions about things the way they've been handled yeah i mean i guess they'll say well not made much sense and i think history five years ten years from now will ask a lot of questions

about things the way they've been handled yeah i mean i guess they'll say well you can go to that restaurant you just have to get takeout you can't sit there and eat it but it doesn't you're right it doesn't i don't know none of it makes sense don't shut down this don't shut down the grocery stores though can't do that can't shut down the grocery stores can't shut down the pharmacies but can't shut down amazon but can shut down every small business it's basically downtown i mean it's just there's it's very does this change like let's say people in the future are thinking like they're coming through this and they're young and they want to start a company or whatever or they're thinking of going trying to get a job does this change what kind of avenue you may go into so you if something like this happens again you want to make sure you're an essential worker so you're not laid off you're

not how are you fiscally responsible enough to plan for something like this ever again i think that is more so the question right yeah like how do you how do you find a way to scratch away savings like every month no i'm talking about as a company i'm talking about as a company like as a business i think we're learning talking about is a company. I'm talking about as a company. Like as a business, I think we're learning a lot about a lot of businesses. Now granted, you know that the restaurants and bars, local stuff that we see on a regular basis, many of them are living month to month,

bill to bill, just trying to survive, right? That's why supporting small business is so vital because they have no idea which day will be their last day open. But I'm talking about the companies themselves. I'm learning a lot about a lot of big companies that haven't been fiscally responsible to their employees where they're living literally month to month paying everybody out. And these are companies that are these massive conglomerates of companies, just absolutely their spend rate

is so high that as soon as something goes wrong, it's like, well, now we need a bailout or we need to furlough everybody or put everybody out of business. It's like, shouldn't you at some point have some sort of duty to your employees? Like, hey, if something was to go wrong, you'd still be able to have a job. Or is it like, well, it got us, it got you too. Fuck it. Let's move forward. I just think there should be a little bit more expected of these people that run these big companies that if shit was to go to hell in a handbasket, you'd be able to at least afford people's salaries for a couple months instead of just kicking them out into the ground for all their years of work.

Well, yeah, this is going to reset a lot of people's minds on how they think about it, especially if you have a big company. Well, first off, the first thing that's going to go is a lot of overhead, a lot of unnecessary overhead that people had office space like all right well we're gonna sit down well we got 40 of our workers that they can work from home like we don't need to have office space for them so we'll free up some some cash there and it just yeah i guess going forward everyone's gonna have to think about that a little bit and i don't know man yeah hopefully nothing like this happens again how about how about jim jim cash penny oh no sports i didn't know, man. Yeah, hopefully nothing like this happens again. How about Jim Cash Penny?

Can I say Penny? Oh, no. I didn't know they were still around. What's that? Sports Illustrated is in trouble right now. One of their owners just spoke at an investment meeting and said that they have enough cash to last until April 2021, but after that, it's questionable.

You get put on Michael's list. Bad things happen. April 2021? Yeah, they shouldn't have said that thing about his baseball. You know what I mean? Sports Illustrated't have said that thing about his baseball. You know what I mean? Sports Illustrated doesn't do that thing about his baseball game. April 2021. So they're saying if we make $0 until April 2021,

they're going to make money after. How does Sports Illustrated make money? Through selling ads online, though? Like the magazine. There's a physical magazine still, right? I would assume they're subscriptions. They got podcasts, I'd assume they sell. Yeah, they do.

You're right. It's all advertising money from their content they put out now. They got money until April 2021? Well, you should be good then. Don't you think you can come up with a plan for the next 11 months, whatever it is? Hey, fiscally responsible to their employees, by the way, to be able to, Sports Illustrated is able to withstand a, what, two up to –

how many months is that? Four more, five more, six. They got seven or eight more months or whatever. They just got a $5.7 million loan through the payroll protection program last month, too. That's more than what the Lakers got, by the way. Wow. Ooh.

But think of – you were mentioning businesses that aren't fiscally responsible. What if you're a young company that was a startup and all of a sudden you're starting to blow up? You're starting to exponentially start to hire because you have so much work and you're building and you're building and all of a sudden, bam, COVID comes and shuts you down. You're not going to have any reserves to take care of people.

Some startups laid off a lot of people in Boston. A lot. Starbucks did? No, some startups. Startups companies. Oh, yeah. Well, startups are in a bad spot. But once you become a company, though, I feel, I don't know.

Even the ones like this. We could get into this for a long. I'm not going to. Just because I think a lot of people that run businesses are full of fucking shit. And they shouldn't be teaching anything because they're just completely fucking over their employees. But I digressress it's a different time for everybody a lot of people in the comments section are asking for us to respond to big ben rothisberger uh what has happened to big ben rothisberger there must be some big ben news excited to hear about this from the boys what's going on with big ben we unfortunately cannot

play the video because it has copyright music in it. But it starts with a video of him on a plane saying, I'm not shaving or cutting my hair until I'm back throwing again. And someone asked him, like, throw into a toddler or blah? And he's like, no, like throwing NFL throws with my teammates. Then it cuts to him throwing NFL throws with his teammates. Then it cuts to him getting a haircut. What's his hair look like? Do we have any pictures or anything?

Can't you play the video and mute it? Yep. But it just doesn't do it justice. I don't know if you'd the video and mute it? Yep. But that just doesn't do it justice. I don't know if you'd be able to see it, though. Just show a still shot of it afterwards. Okay. Underscore Big Ben 7. I've been blocked from this account, so I cannot see it.

He's looking jacked. He does. He looks thin. He looks jacked. Remember, he went after Jay Glazer a little bit ago for going after his off-season workout routine. He said, hey, Jay, I do more than just yoga and drink beer, pal. I'm coming back from Tommy John, and here's me slinging a rock towards Switzer and Juju.

And then I go into a barbershop while they're wearing gloves and trim down the Grizzly Adams beard, and I look like a brand-new man. Ben Roethlisberger looks like he's 25 years old. He looks younger and thinner and better than ever is ben roethlisberger coming back to the pittsburgh steelers next year a better ben it sure looks that way in order pittsburgh steelers ready to make that run in that march to the stairway to seven yeah i mean i am emptying out the bank account on phantom

the stairway to seven. Yeah, I mean, I am emptying out the bank account on FanDuel for it. Oh, my God. Because of this video? Yes. Where is he flying on the private jet? Where is he going? Wherever he wants. To Florida, probably, to throw with, or to California,

wherever Juju and Switz were. That was after. He was cleanly shaving, so I guess he was flying home. Pittsburgh. They're throwing in Pittsburgh. So where was he flying from? I mean, that was after his surgery. That was when he was saying, I'm not going to throw until. So it was probably on the way that was a year ago oh the plane was an

old video before yeah yeah yeah because he has short hair in it i thought it was that was behind the scenes now yeah so everything i just said was wrong then yeah didn't you think pat that's what he looks like now that the plane shot yeah it literally just got an entire promo that he's going to come back better than ever because how good he looked in that video demonstrated the video yeah i mean you boys definitely set me up for failure there i mean you put me in the same spot as this fucking uh this television whenever i'm swinging the bat you guys put me in a bad position so was there is there a shot of him post haircut in this video where's that at zito shot it at the end.

No, that was him getting his haircut. Yeah, that's it. So they don't have a shot of him actually with the haircut? So when in the video is he in the airplane? In the beginning? The beginning is whenever he's going to get his Tommy John surgery. So at the beginning there, he's actually at his most injured. He has a broken elbow in that video, the part where he looks his best there. He looks his absolute best.

His elbow is broken, and he said he's not shaving or cutting his hair until he's throwing a football again in this particular scene. Is that accurate? Yes. I have not watched myself, but I cannot say. I said yes. Okay, so perfect. So then he shows the beard and the rehab and the entire process.

Now he's playing catch with Juju and Ryan Sw switzer and then he goes and gets his haircuts big ben roethlisberger's all the way back and he's probably feeling himself if i had to guess correct okay now i'm glad we cleared that up i wasn't really sure what was happening there so is the beard completely gone no he just trimmed it just trimmed it oh this is a Oh. This is a big story. This is a big story. Cole Beasley changed his number. Cooper Cupp changed his number. Ben Roethlisberger, who once promised to not get his beard or hair trimmed

until he recovered completely from his Tommy Yawn surgery and was throwing footballs again, is now cutting his hair and throwing footballs again the pittsburgh steelers fan base is rejoicing at once congrats to big ben on getting through a grueling and painstaking rehab of tommy john and had to watch mason rudolph and ducky hodges last season i think the steelers are in a good spot all of a sudden i don't know what it feels like a kid like i know what it feels like to have a kid like to watch the baby come out and then be handed to you that's what i felt watching that video the haircut yeah and uh the other one's the obj tweet yeah then

odell beckham jr um i believe reacted to a miles garrett tweet how obj thought spanking the cop was gonna go was when rodman after he got into a carl malone smacked him on his ass malone smacks him on his ass little horse play keep it moving odell beckham says wait a minute miles garrett that wasn't even the worst part the worst part was i got charged with assault and you somehow didn't only in america what he's referring to miles garrett taking off mason rudolph's helmet on national television and playing whack-a-mole with mason rudolph's head in mason rudolph's helmet no charges were pressed there he was suspended got re-upped signed a new deal welcome back miles garrett can't wait to see you on the football field odell beckham jr is like excuse me we're smoking some cigars we're celebrating a little ass slapping hand clapping and all of a

sudden i get a charge pressed against me assault what are we doing here i mean he has a point doesn't he oh yeah oh yeah do they does that happen where you get charged with assault when something happens on the football field i know know hockey, it has happened. Stuff like that. Well, the thing about this is, I don't think America's the only place that this would be the only place that assault would be charged with. I think... Well, it's like a saying. Only in America. It was just for effect. Yeah, but I'm

just saying, if you were to go slap somebody's ass in Iraq, I think something would probably go and die. Probably if I had to guess. Maybe. Depends who you smack, I guess. How about Russia? You go over here to Putin, you go, hey, let me smack you butt. No way. Good luck.

Wait, what? Is that your Russian accent? Yeah, I tried to find it there midway through a sentence. Couldn't get there. You know what I mean? Just couldn't get there. Let's try one more time.

Let me smack butt. I just want to get back to your Sebastian Janikowski. Go on, butt. What they do. He's the best. He speaks a little better English than that. He has an accent, though, for sure.

Oh, yeah, he does. He's awesome. He's the best. Janikowski is the best. Kicked for 29 years, it seems like. He said, I was going to retire. They pay me more money. I kick.

Did he ever lose any strength in his leg? Yeah. Did he? Yeah. Wouldn't he still attempt into 65 yarders and they actually sent him out there for like an 80 yarder it was 30 yards short or something like that but the fact was he was so strong that when he got old he still had it because you're gonna lose as you go he was just so strong i mean there were stories coming out of poland whenever he hit a soccer uh goal on the crossbar and it knocked the goal down i mean there were stories about his leg strength way back in the polish the polish cannon i believe or whatever it's called he had an awesome quote i think whenever he got in trouble

early in his career they asked him like oh what did you learn from this i think he said well i had a raiders decal on my car i know i should have known better than to have that i know i'll take that thing off my car now so they can't like identify me smart something like that obviously paraphrase that's very smart janikowski said a lot of things back in the day from what i've been told there's a lot of people come out and said like best party or they've ever been around sebastian janikowski i guess he used to just be awesome is he from pol Poland? Yeah. Leckler told us a couple stories. He came over as an exchange student in high school, and then he stayed, obviously, and Florida State became a legend,

almost won a Heisman. You get it. But Leckler and Janikowski used to live together, and Leckler told us that they'd be going to practice in the morning, and they would have to step over the bodies of the people that were partying in their house. Didn't even know who they were, just kind of told them him like, hey, lock up when you guys are done. Janikowski and Leckler would be heading to practice out there.

Two of the greatest of all time, too, by the way. So the fact they were able to pull that off, I respect it. Yeah, the fact that the best, too, is what I don't think Michael Jordan played in the perfect time for him. The era like he played to where cell phones were a thing. They became a thing, especially late in his career. But social media wasn't around. So, yeah, Jordan couldn't go anywhere. He was mobbed no matter what he's doing.

But he could go sit and play cards for 15 hours without a bunch of kids standing on the rail trying to take pictures and tweet it out. Like, he was still able to somehow live his life, but it wasn't all put out there. Been using the pool a lot, by the way. This weekend, hit the pool, did some reps. Yeah, how'd it go? You know, I forgot how your entire body gets an exercise

whenever you're working out in a pool. I took a nap watching that golf thing, and on the other side of it, my body was sore in places that I didn't remember that could be sore, and that's because I was working on a breaststroke. You see? Did you actually, like, work out,

or did you just swim around? Whoa. What do you think I'm doing? Just fucking fucking playing games there are you using your pool for leisure or is it a strictly a workout nothing i do anymore is for leisure okay it's either business or performance when i got in that pool it's for both okay i did i did legs only one over legs only back upper body only over upper body only back i got up i ran actually across the pool a couple times i did some breaststroke in i did some uh freestyling i did the backstroke i even did the spit like i was a dolphin while i was doing it i mean i got after it in that pool for performance do you heat are your pool right now? Yeah, the pool was like a baby pool down there.

It seemed like everybody peed in it. It was very warm. It's good. It's not cheap to do that. I'm glad you have the wealth to make it happen. Did you get any water jumpers in? Do you got a basketball hoop in there? I do have a basketball hoop in there.

How'd that go? I'm not fucking playing games in there, Foxy. Come on. I'm not in there to play games. Did you jump off the diving board? I didn't jump off that diving board go i'm not playing games in there foxy come on i'm not in there to play games diving board oh you jump off that diamond board i'm there for game i'm not here for games i'm there to swim and get in shape i want a low impact workout for my knees so i go into that pool yeah there was a basketball hoop there and yeah there was a ball that looks perfect and maybe i should have practiced maybe some hook shots for whenever somebody comes over and plays a game of horse against me in my house in my pool maybe maybe

there was a diving board there that looked absolutely scrumptious and maybe i go and do a gainer off of that thing but that's not what the pool is for the pool is for exercise now so i'm no longer fat and i just want to let everybody know i would have wore my e25 raycon earbuds in there but i just didn't get a chance to put them in and And hand up on me, Pat was in the deep end, which is like, what, 10 feet-ish? 12. 12 feet, and he was on the bottom and then jumped all the way from the bottom

out of the pool onto the concrete, and then sent me the video, and I accidentally lost it. Yeah. Go when you're recently deleted videos. That's not how it works. That's not how it works. I was planning on breaking the internet this weekend, jumping out of the pool, sending it over to Diggs digs my friend digs who's the host of the pod

and all of a sudden bank gets deleted never to be found i'll have to do it again sometime i will i want you to film this like either take a gopro underwater with you or maybe have sam set up a camera and just time lapse the whole workout well we're filming a documentary currently. On you? For our last dance. Yep. What's your, what happened? Are you up against a timeline? Do you have cancer? No, we don't know.

We never know. We're just filming now. You never know. Until Billy kills everybody? Is that what you're doing? Potentially. Essentially. What did you do this weekend?

Did you do any exercising? You look like you're glowing. Are you pregnant? Yeah, I might be pregnant. I don't know. But, you know, it maybe got me thinking, though, because pools are going to open up, at least in Ohio. There's some pools that are going to open.

And I assumed two weeks ago, I'm like, there's no way they're going to open pools up, are they? So I've seen a lot of people scrambling now when they thought, girls and guys both thinking like, oh, I'm cool. I don't have to go to the pool this summer. I'm good to go. I can just stay with my winter bod.

Now I see a lot of people ratcheting up their workouts because they're like, oh, no, the pools are opening. I'm going to have to go be in my trunks. Yeah, I had my personality bod going because I thought quarantine was potentially going to go on forever. But now as they're starting to open those doors, you got to get rid of the personality a little bit and try to trying to find a little don't puke in public type thing you know what i mean and that's what i'm in that pool for what you're but you have your own pool so it's not like you're ever going to public pools like us minions well yeah you have a hotel i'm sure you have a a pool over there olympic

sized i do not have a pool at my house. No. Well, then this, what? What are you doing? Don't you have kids? Yeah, that's why I don't have a pool. I don't want them falling in or I don't want one of their

friends running around falling in. Good point. I got raccoons and stuff. They like the water. Oh, so you cover up the pool. Just get a bunch of floaties. Oh, yeah.

Well, I know there's a lot of different security measures you can take. I get it. And they say the pool, by the way, not good for resale. And I'm in Ohio. I can use it two and a half months a year hey we're in the middle of those months right now though over here in indiana and i enjoyed it this weekend the ear

held up well too no hole in the eardrum i mean we're in a good spot over here it's just a matter of time until you're trying to do something off the board like you get done with a nice workout you're feeling good you get a bit sloppy on the board and you smack that ear again. That hole comes back. What would you say? You're putting that out in the universe. I don't love it. And you're walking crooked for three more months. Tim McAfee's got a little

vertigo issue right now. He's trying to roll the balls in his ears back. He trended this weekend again with Lil Duval. Shout out Lil Duval who Tim doesn't know but he put out an Instagram about him. I think the issue might be I get too comfortable in that water and start looking for me to go off the deck yeah or off the roof that's my big problem i've been watching too many parkour videos hey like dude perfect you're the dude perfect guy that's who you are no um check out the uh check out the parkour rabbit hole oh my god i did it this weekend zito is in the parkour rabbit hole. Oh, my God. I did it this weekend. Zito is in a parkour rabbit hole.

There's a guy who dies. They put the video out. And there's no coverage afterwards of this guy falling off this cliff. He's got his hand wrapped. He's had previous injuries, okay? And he wants to do a McTwist on the edge of this cliff. He does a McTwist, and then he stumbles, goes to grab something. Since it's taped, doesn't stick to anything, falls down.

No reaction from the rest of the people that are on said cliff upload but you see and then the video cuts and then wait who's filming nobody ever knows it's just like bystander one part they go to did they extend a hand to try to help no no no they just let them die and then by the time you think like is that guy dead boom another video pops up with somebody fucking doing a gainer off of a bridge. I mean, the parkour people never quit. You get into a parkour rabbit hole, you're going to be like, these superheroes need to chill it out a little bit.

I'm surprised everybody doesn't die. I lifted my head after five hours, and I was like, what just happened? Yeah, so I've been talking about it here for a couple weeks. I've been in that said rabbit hole more than one time, more than I care to acknowledge. The parkour kids of the internet are a different breed man they how is there not a documentary on these kids like free solo don't talk to her maybe well are they making money on it like i guess the top youtube ones are i'm there if i could buy something i would buy from this one particular house that is pumping out just murderous content

on a daily babe one of them's gonna die they're not gonna kill you there's is there multiple parkour players in one house that that's all i think they got like little rival little park over our house yeah they got little rival parkours they're jumping out they're running off rocks differently around there these sons of who can die the fastest bro these sons of bitches are wild dude running off rocks differently i mean it's true get into it if you get a chance get into it tonight they i have a little bit i get stuck in some rabbit holes on youtube i could that's one i could easily see myself bro jumping into and be like man i wish my knee felt better, man. I could probably do some of this.

Oh, Hey, don't think that I'll get down there on that trampoline. I'll start doing the Mick twist. I'm like, I could do this off of the building if I had to. Yeah. Just need how much room. Yeah. I got it. And that's going to be the death of me.

I think my trampoline is going to kill me just from double bouncing my kids. Neighbors, kids like that thing takes its toll on you. It is not low impact. Really? No. Well, maybe when you got kids just by the way that's why now we come back full circle that's why you should have done the drills there you go you're getting your hand there hands down and put your feet back like it's all in one fluid motion but you got to do it going sideways so i need to see you going at like an angle downhill. No, like start here, shuffle downhill at an angle, and then. Listen, I don't need you telling me. You can't even do it to the neighbor's kids on the trampoline, okay?

No, I wouldn't. But I have caught a few kids in midair when you double bounce them too high. Oh, he's flipping. You got to catch him. That does happen. I like trampoline. You got to take some Dram some dramamine though whenever you get on there at our age honestly i thought something was wrong with my brain i'm start jumping and i'm like

what do i have vertigo like what's happening i'm up in the air and the whole everything spins yeah you get motion sickness i i realized that when i got my trampoline i was because when i was a child i was on trampoline a lot and i thought uh not mine but friends trampolines around our white trash neighborhood and then whenever i got my trampoline, I was like, all right, awesome. I'm going to do this. This is going to be my thing. And I get on there. I start doing all the flips I used to be able to do.

I'm like, still got it. What an animal. And then I started jumping. I was like, oh, my God, I'm starting to get sick. And I was like, this is the exact feeling I get in the back of an Uber in New York City. I was like, am I car sick right now? So I took Dramamine or Dramamine the next time. Bingo.

All good. You just got to get ready for car sickness when you're on that fucking trampoline it's good to know i never thought it i'm glad there's somebody else that has the same issue as me i thought it was just me well i don't have any kids i'm just doing it for myself so that's kind of a problem it's fun i agree it can be fun what did you i love how you said you jumped on you started doing flips still got it no big deal still got it by the way even bigger than i think it when i was a kid because i'm just gotta have your medication hey i can fly around people have seen it on uh hey oh you can i've watched you do backflips off the ropes and stuff i used to be

able to do standing backflip it was my party trick like just out in the middle how do you do i always wonder the progression how do you do that for the first time uh so i did it into a crash pad so you didn't have someone there kind of assisting the first time? So I did it into a crash pad. So you didn't have someone there kind of assisting you? No, no, I would just do it into a crash pad because some I saw somebody do it. Somebody did it somewhere, maybe at a party. Somebody did it at a party and I was like, that's awesome. I should do that. And then I think I probably went home that night and like on my bed, like tried to do it. I oh I'm close then I think the strength and conditioning staff at West Virginia I asked them for a crash pad

because they were training the gymnastics as well I was like you guys leave the crash pad out they're like what do you want I'm like just leave the crash pad out please and so after the workout I went over there and I started trying to do a backflip in the crash pad like knees slamming off of it you know what I mean and then one of the uh strength coaches was a former like all-american gymnast and she was like all right here we go let's go if we're gonna do she started doing the like a little bit of a help thing while i'm in the air she knew that there was no way i was leaving until i got it took me like one day really of the person flipping me and then that night i got intoxicated and i was like let's see if it works boys and i just went for it and then it became my party trick until I tried to do it off of a wall one time.

You know, I tried to do like the Jackie Chan off the wall. And I right on my back because I slipped. And that was it. That was all she wrote for the party trick. That was enough for me. What does the party do when you try to run up the wall and flip and you fall? I'll just think about, I mean, you're thinking about about the reality of it but think about what they would have done if i hit that run-up wall backflip are you kidding me what kind of parties are you at i think it was

after a flip cup victory too like i'm assuming i bang nailed it run over let me hit this backflip off the wall instead bang right on the kitchen floor just me and my back and there was quite a oh and then i think i probably got escorted out what like so what happens if you land it you think does the whole party just lose their mind oh my god you know what i mean i mean it's probably going ape but. But instead, the opposite happened. But, you know, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. I had done plenty of backflips at parties after finishing a flip cup round. That brought people to their feet.

It was inevitably going to fail, and that particular evening was it. And I'll never forget it. It was, I had to walk it out. I just had to leave the party. It was like when I asked a lady if she was pregnant after drinking with her for a couple hours. I just got to leave. I got to see you later. And I've never talked to those people ever again oh you slipped too i mean that's not saying that if you run up to that wall right now you might be able to do it i didn't slip i didn't slip i was just did you wait was that your first attempt ever at running up the wall and flipping yeah yeah you just got

caught up in the moment yeah it was a big moment it was a big moment what do you want from me i think we all want one flip i'd assume we all want one flip and it was potentially somebody we didn't like we were playing against and it was just like uh i'm no bad but like would the wall be easier i think in my head at the time i thought this would be a lot easier if i got something to help me here because i've seen jackie chan do it jackie chan used to be able to just run up walls. I could do a regular backflip, but how about the one off the wall? And I did a full run. Imagine sprinting towards a wall where there's no door, by the way.

Like, people's reaction was like, oh, what is this guy doing? Is he about to run through the wall? Nope. Right foot up on there. Right foot up on the wall. Push. Flat right on the back. I couldn't even. Like, now that I'm thinking about what other people had to be thinking they had to be confused as to

like once all of a sudden and then poof you're gone because you had to walk it off you had to leave yeah i wonder if the party just ended so what was his goal there's no way to push off the wall and land on his neck and head that That guy's the kicker for the team? Oh, no. As you're sulking away? Yeah, let me... Woke up the next morning. Boys, what a night. Why am I so sore?

Oh, you don't remember? Oh, yeah, let's not talk about it. Let's move on. Let's just not go to that house ever again, by the way. It was a loud smack. I think it was a good sell ever again, by the way. It was a loud smack. I think it was a good sell. You know what I mean? It was a good bump.

Until you go back as a 33-year-old and you land that jump with all the new kids that live in that house. And you're the absolute man. That's what I'm thinking about. Oh. No, no. I was trying to find a wall I think that was secure enough to give it a go here. Oh, I've been in that studio. All of those walls are secure enough.

No, they are not. Every single one of our walls is falling down currently. Wood's falling off back here. There's things falling off down here. This shit's falling off the wall over here. We are not secure over here, but I was going to give it a go there for a second. That poster is on the wall behind you because there's a hole underneath the age yeah that you were covering up a hole in the wall here oh what happened you swing a bat or a golf club in there all right this show's over

no it fucking fell apart pal jesus oh my bad pal he's trying to do the flip i bet There's no way you could do the flip. I don't think you ever were athletic enough to flip off the wall. See, now he's doing it. I'm 250 pounds. Give me two months. Give me two months. It's easier being heavier to do that.

No. Yeah, okay. Think of the power you can get off that wall. Yeah, it's easier to jump whenever you're heavier. Those little parkour guys probably weigh 150 pounds with skinny little legs like Emmett. How about this? Two months. Two months from now. Shut up, Emmett. weigh 150 pounds with skinny little legs like Emmett. How about this? Two months, two months from now,

Emmett does have tiny little fucking legs. Same with Evan. Two months from now, what is that? July 18th? Yes. July 18th,

I will do an off-the-wall backflip in a regular backflip. If I do, you have to donate $20,000 to a foundation of my choosing.

No. What is the deal? I like to keep my charity under the radar. I don't want to publicize that. It's a bet, though. All right, just give me the money, then. Okay. 20K?

Is that a bet? Yeah, send me your Venmo name. Well, Cash App. Okay. Cash App, yeah. Either or. We're not fucking both. True.

We'll use both. So we got $20,000, two months. I got to do a backflip off a wall and a standing backflip? No, I mean, I'd have to sign a contract if we're going to truly make that bet. Oh, no. No robberies now. What? Shake his hand. Contract's right there. No, no. No robberies, no. What? Shake his hand.

Contract's right there. No, I'm not shaking your hand. You're not going to bully me into a bet here on live YouTube with your spit. Thought you were a Rust Belt kind of guy. I promise you I would donate $20,000 to any charity of your choice if you do a backflip off the wall and you last 90 seconds

in the cage with Frank. No, no, no i know that's how it goes in your life but no not on this show well i'm not fucking i'm there's no way i i would like the only injury that i could sustain be from me not from somebody else but you started the show saying you could last 90 seconds with one of the scariest heavyweight mma fighters of all time no i said what hypothetically how long do i think i could if i had to last i said i think i could run for 90 seconds i think i could elude him for 90 seconds i thought i could he's not trying to take you down don't worry you don't have to protect your legs well

good i'll hit him you gotta work no you need to learn some you need to go work with some wrestlers and learn how to take him down if you want to last no i'm going to try to stay without touching him for 90 seconds that's good good luck anyway his wingspan spans the whole cage pretty much. Probably get a ping pong fight, I guess. Maybe. Two months from now, standing backflip off the wall. You'll donate, yeah? Yeah.

All right. That's a show. We did it. We did it. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Stop. Stop.

We got to do Emmitt's Minutes. All right, here you go, Mitt. We got to do Emmitt's Minutes. Come on, Mitt. Have to do it. Can't have the show end without Emmitt's Minutes. Mollett Mitt's back on a good Monday. I'm going to be honest. He struggled early, earlier today.

He got something wrong in the first sentence, which we could have never, ever guessed. But I feel like he's going to hit his stride here. Ladies and gentlemen, Mollett Mitz Minutes. All right, Pat McAfee is now texting friends with Aaron Rodgers. Bingo. That's technically not even true. So he might have already been off the record.

Kind of is. You're right. Don't worry about him. He's in Ohio. We talked about messaging first and choosing the right GIF. We talked about that. No. What?

You're kidding me. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? You're 20. I'm fucking believe you. Kindly. Hit the music. It's over.

Hit it. I mean, it's. Fuck. God damn it. Everyone. Hit it, Amity Nance. Oh, fuck! Oh, God, Tim! Everyone hates that. Sorry, I meant... Man, you idiot! He was close, though. That's the butter of the ticket for the 2010. Kicking Pierce missiles to the sky. Man, you idiot.

He was close, though. It's McAfee and Hulk. It's McAfee and Hulk. We have a guy who is a big football mind. His head coach at Cleveland Browns was at the Raiders for a while. Now he's selling tequila. I mean, this guy. And he's making waves currently because a trade in 2018 by the Seattle Seahawks to the Cleveland Browns was allegedly on the table for Russell Wilson.

And he said that he has never heard of anything like that just earlier today. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show, Hugh Jackson. Hey, Hugh! How's it going, Hughson what's going on man not much how you doing hey that that thing is so close to your face i mean it is hey you are yeah people are going to come after you there how's life what are you up to where are you at what's going on in hugh jackson's world i'm a little bit everywhere you from miami to daddy to arizona i i've been doing a lot of things and obviously want to get back to football when everybody else does but but truly enjoying my time with my tequila business so that's been great what's the name of your tequila again let's sell some brandy and organic 100% USDA organic tequila. We got Blanco, Silver Anejo, Extra Anejo.

Yes. And we're going to have a real special treat by the end of the year. Okay, let's go. That Extra Anejo will get you going on a different level. It's seven years. Seven years. Aged. It's like a bamboo tree there.

It takes a little patience to get there. Hugh, let's talk about, because you literally just broke some news on our phone while I was in the bathroom while you were coming on the show. Hugh Jackson, it says, says he knew nothing of a potential Russell Wilson trade from Seattle to the Cleveland Browns while you were the head coach for the Cleveland Browns just a couple years ago.

Is that something that I would assume the head coach would be told about? Absolutely. I think so, too. There's no way that that happened that way. None. None whatsoever. No way.

There was the rumors, too, that you and Dorsey were potentially not on the same page when it came to personnel and stuff like that. Is that not true? Not. No, not at all. I mean, that's the fun part about this. People are going to spend things the way they want to. That's the talk now. But that was never the case. Yeah, because that's not how I mean, granted, there are many a story of coaches and GMs not being on the same page. But whenever it comes to quarterbacks,

potentially Russell Wilson being quarterback, that is definitely something that would be said to Hugh Jackson, the head coach of the Cleveland Browns team. Absolutely. I mean, wouldn't you think you'd have to let your head coach know who's an offensive guy, who's a quarterback guy, that, hey, looky here, this is what we might be having an opportunity to do. That never came up. Russell Wilson would have been a great quarterback for your offensive style, though?

He would have been amazing, but at the same time, who's going to let one of the best players in the league go at that particular point in time? You're paying the guy an exorbitant amount of money. We have the first pick of the draft, and everybody knows we're probably targeting a quarterback who we feel real good about. It just doesn't even add up to me in my mind.

Okay, so let's talk about some other moves that people could potentially make. Cam Newton is still on the market somehow. Now, quarantine has got to a point where nobody can get their hands on his foot to see if he's healthy. Nobody knows how he is mentally. The videos he's been putting out, though,

have looked like he's about to be an absolute terror. Whenever you were head coach or you're with an nfl team and this type of situation would happen what is what has been holding people back from signing cam dude why is it is it strictly what you just said pat i think everybody wants to know about the injury you know because of what's going on with covet 19 you don't get a chance to bring these guys in the building and check them out or work them out, whatever that is, because he's in a situation where he could work out. I mean, he's no longer with the team. So you don't get that verification, you know, real quickly by seeing a guy, being around a guy, getting a feel for a guy that normally you would have in past

years. Whenever you're going through an NFL season and you're coaching and you see a guy on another team, whether it's on film or on game day when you're watching them, and they're potentially going to be a free agent later, do you have a list of those guys you're like, hey, whenever we play, this guy gave us fits, this guy gave us a problem, and you tell your GM, you're like, hey, if this person gets on the market, let's figure out a way to get them here. Is that something that happens with almost all coaches? Oh, absolutely. You're always looking for a chance to better your team. And if there's a player there that you think fits your particular style, the environment, the locker room, hey, you go for it. Was there anybody in the AFC North that you played against that you were like,

you know what, I wish that guy was a Cleveland Brown? Oh, there's quite a few. Who is somebody that you watched and you were like you know what that person would fit in good with our culture and how i want to build this team tj watt cam hayward i mean those guys were phenomenal i mean having to compete against those guys when i think of gino atkins uh being in cincinnati i. Green, who's somebody I coached. I mean, there were so many really good players in that division that I wish I had a whole bunch of them back in that time. Imagine you just going up to whoever the GM Dorsey at the time and just with a list of guys and be like, all right, I think this will work right here. Cincinnati, you said you had some time there. You went in with Marv to be an advisor or consultant or whatever the role is where you're getting paid from another team but working for another team.

They now have a, which happens all the time in the NFL, they now have a rookie quarterback in Joe Burrow. They decided to get rid of Andy Dalton. Is that strictly because of the cap space? Or is there a thought that when you have a young quarterback, you want to empower them to know that, hey, it's their job, it's their locker room, it's their entire thing? Or do you think bringing in a veteran behind a young rookie like you had with Tyrod and Baker is a smart decision for that rookie quarterback? I think it can go a lot of different ways, Pat. It all depends

on your football team. You know, when I think of Cleveland, our lot of different ways, Pat. It all depends on your football team. You know, when I think of Cleveland, our situation, we had had no success. And so Tyrod Taylor gave the locker room hope. I mean, everybody knew that Baker Mayfield was going to be the future, but no one knows what he was going to do in the National Football League. So you have to give the locker room hope. As you know, you've been in the locker room. They want to know that you have a chance to win on Sunday, Thursday, or Monday. In the situation in Cincinnati, obviously, Andy's been the established quarterback there for a long time. Under Marvin Lewis, you have a new head coach who's going to want his guy so he can put his stamp on a particular player. So those kind of things start to happen. This is now the new head coaches

guy. So it's not seen as Marvin's guy anymore as Andy was. So, you know, there's a lot that goes into those decisions, but at the end of the day, you hope every decision is made is about, can I put the team in position to win? That's the most important thing. When you were watching these guys, you went and did some stuff with Herm Edwards down at Arizona state. So, you so you know the college game a little bit you want to get back into nfl coaching i assume whenever you take visits and stuff somebody's going to have you in your room because your wealth of knowledge and your experience but when you're looking at those college quarterbacks there was a big conversation now before the draft it was like okay joe burrows clear number one uh the number two and number three quarterbacks it's's either Air Bear, Tua, or Tua, Air Bear. And then there was a bunch of lies coming out during draft.

Everybody was lying. And it was like, Tua, it would be irresponsible to draft Tua in the top ten, people were saying. And then Air Bear's going to move up in front. Somebody's going to trade up to three. How much of that lying does a lot of people know about in the building? Like, when you're the head coach and the GMs and scouts are doing their entire thing, and you get to draft week and you're just reading these things on whether it's pro football talk or you're watching on tv you're like what the hell do we really hate this guy

or does everybody kind of understand that this is how it is like everybody's just gonna lie that's how it goes you said it fat because no one wants to give anybody an idea of what they're doing because you don't want somebody to trade above you now obviously being in cleveland we had the first pickoff you know above you you don't want to give away what you may be doing you know in case somebody wants to put something together from a package standpoint to go get a players information is really important to keep under wraps now putting out bad information is really good, you know, making sure that you keep people off of what you're trying to do, and a lot of that does go on.

Yeah, I mean, they got me hook, line, sinker. I thought, too, it was falling out of the top ten. I'm like, this poor guy, he's got a hip, he's got this, he's going to drop out, and then now number five to Miami, like they said literally six months ago. Okay, did you hear about deandre baker and quentin dunbar yes i did okay obviously sad situation you never want to see somebody who has their entire the entire world in their hands be in a situation where a semi-automatic gun gets pulled out but in a gambling world i think anybody who's been in a locker room understands that you know some things do get a little bit contentious if somebody doesn't want to pay and

you just got to hope that those things get resolved quickly. If you're the head coach of DeAndre Baker, who is allegedly the guy who pulled out the gun and everything like that, what are you saying to him? Because all you ever hear teams say is we are reaching out and gathering information. What are those conversations happening between team and player when it gets in trouble? And are they actually just gathering information or are they trying to figure out, okay, how do we protect him as much as possible and see if we can get him out of trouble? No, you're trying to say how you can get him out the building without the NFL PA jumping you.

You know, most coaches don't want to deal with that. I'm just being very honest with you. I'm really surprised, Pat, that there's not more of that. And I hate to say it this way going on right now, not because of there's bad players. I just think the players now, they're not in their normal routine. They're not in organizations and cities where they play football. There's different anxieties and stress. You know what that's like.

Guys are used to routine. And so now all of a sudden they have more time. They're doing more things that they normally wouldn't be doing right now. And I think everybody, every organization needs to have on their thinking caps on how to keep these guys under control until they can get them back. Because I'm sure there's things we haven't even heard about that's been going on. Because this is totally different for everybody. This is a different type of anxiety and stress for players right now well and you got to think a lot of guys and this is just from being there the beauty about an nfl locker room is you have people from all walks of life but whenever young guys who maybe aren't established in a place

and they're not able to be in the otas or in the workouts they're back in the neighborhoods that they work their asses off to get out of right the workouts, they're back in the neighborhoods that they work their asses off to get out of, right? So that is, they're back in the neighborhoods that they work. And I said, after your rookie season, it's the first time in your entire life that you have any freedom. Because in college, you got year-round training. Whenever you're in high school, it's year-round training. Then you get to the NFL and you have the full rookie minicamp, OTAs, training camp, season. Now you have money and you're told, okay, you have three months now to go do whatever. And that is when all hell breaks loose normally.

It did for me. It did for many of other people. And now I didn't even think about that during this. They're all at home and they're just being asked to zoom in. And it's like, yeah, I'll do that. I didn't even think about it. That's 100% right, Hugh. That is not something.

And it's what you just said, though. They're back in those environments that they tried to escape. They're back to being places and around people that maybe not are good for them. In these environments, and all of a sudden, all it takes is one slip-up like this, and it

could be your career. So that's what I'm saying. I would think coaches want to make sure that they reach out to their teams, and this is a huge, huge lesson as to what's going on you just talked about how like that you potentially find a way to try to get them out of the building is that's pat always says be who you can afford to be is that the same for like a guy like deandre baker who was a first round draft pick last year or are they trying to maybe build around him and maybe mentor him since he was a high draft pick well when you pull a gun, that's different.

I mean, that's a whole different level. Hey, what else is happening, right? I mean, that's like if that's what. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's just what is your organization really going to stand for? Because if you let it go and you keep a player there and you, like you say, put people around him, what happens the next time he's in that situation you know and so now you're you're counting on a guy to be a huge member

of your football team who may not be so that that's concerning that was a sad story to hear i mean i had been in card games that have gotten pretty large but there's never been that type of contentious environment but you could see how it could happen then when you hear about it it's like always like damn and these are not by the way this is not the first time this has happened this won't be the last time that this has happened but it's sad every single time it happens you but pat you said it you know what's different though and i think you keep hitting on it the environment though i mean when you're with your teammates that's a whole different argument yep then when you win it with some people that people that you don't really know and things get out of whack,

you know, because people are coming at you a different way. Players respect each other for the most part. Yeah, we get into arguments and disagreements, but at the end of the day, no guy wants to hurt another one of his teammates' opportunity and chances of being on a team, making his money, and taking care of his family. How about, okay, since you brought that up, his family how about okay since you brought that up this mike tomlin allegedly gave an envelope to james harrison james harrison said it wasn't to reward me and he didn't say he would give me money if i heard somebody i think if it did happen it was more like mike tomlin saying hey you're probably going to get fined for that as maybe like a laughing joking moment i might be wrong there how do you feel about how that entire Bounty Gate thing kind of unfolded?

And then, obviously, Greg Williams was on the squad there. What was his kind of reaction to how that – because it changed a lot of things. I used to give out $100, $1,000 if a guy would tackle somebody inside the 20. Couldn't do that anymore. I mean, it became a very different locker room all of a sudden. Well, you said it. I would be surprised, you know, and I don't know.

I didn't see the conversation. I heard it. I just don't know if it was, like you said, a joking manner because, hey, you probably are going to get fined here. Hey, buddy, boy, this might help you out for a second. It probably was all in fun and game, you know. I think so, too.

And now it's a big deal. I get it. I think so, too. Well, Hugh, we can't thank you enough what's the name of that tequila again grand lienda grand lienda there's the onejo the onejo blanco reposado there it is oh baby is that beautiful hey did you go did you help design the bottles and everything or were you like i didn't help design the bottles but boy? No, I didn't help design the bottles, but boy, I sure did make sure that we kept the bottles in there. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen.

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