The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 208 - The Convo EVERYBODY's Citing With NBA Champ, JR Smith.. Jeff Passan, Adam Amin, & Legend, AJ Hawk Also Stop By For Some Chatter.

Episode Date: June 2, 2020

Today's show features an interview being clipped and quoted nearly everywhere right now. Pat sits down with NBA Champion, former 6th Man of the Year, and 16 Year NBA Veteran, JR Smith. Pat and JR discuss everything that has happened in the last week or so with the protests and the riots and JR sheds some light on his feelings and where he thinks we can go from here, discusses the altercation he got into with a rioter who decided to shatter one of the windows of his truck that was caught on film, chats about the differences between Michael Jordan and LeBron having played with LeBron for a long time, looks at what might be next for his career, and explains the differences between the players of old and current NBA players (1:39-29:35). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ are joined by new FOX sports employee and the new play-by-play voice of the Chicago Bulls, Adam Amin. Pat, AJ, and Adam chat about how he ended up at FOX after a long, successful career at ESPN, how excited he is to be landing one of his dream jobs in the Bulls play-by-play gig, when he thinks he actually will be getting back to work, and Adam shares some stories from his time in the booth with Pat from this past fall (39:48-57:43). Pat and AJ also discuss the JR Smith conversation, everything that has been happening in the US and around the world, and try to figure out how much money George Kittle is going to make with his new deal (31:42-1:35:18). Later, MLB Insider and friend of the program, Jeff Passan joins the show to discuss all the new developments between the MLBPA and the MLB, whether any progress is being made, the new proposal sent by the players, if he thinks we're going to have an MLB season, and why not having a season could be catastrophic for the sport (1:37:44-1:48:44). Don't forget to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat with a picture of where you're listening to the show for the chance to win some free merch. We appreciate you rocking with us, stay safe out there. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is June 2nd. I can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. Last night in Indianapolis, protesters marched from downtown to the governor's house, where they were met by Indianapolis Police Department. After an hour standoff, the cops took their helmets off, put their batons down, and the protesters and police officers hugged each other and then they marched together back downtown talking to each other about how we have to find a common ground and i hope this becomes a real thing that happens and real change is initiated from it to be honest almost got a tear in my eye watching it after what has gone on in America this past weekend.

A lot of conversation about that during today's show. J.R. Smith stopped by for a 30-minute conversation about everything that happened this weekend to him, everything that happened in America, and the messaging behind all of it. And also, we talked about the basketball. Had to do it. Can't thank you enough

for listening. If you enjoy the show, please tell a friend to tell a friend to tell a friend to download the show. And if you didn't enjoy it, just act like it never fucking happened. Hashtag this is where I'm at, Pat. Post a picture where you're listening to this show. We're putting together something beautiful. We've been battling this entire quarantine, and I'm not sure quarantine's still going on. Feels like the coronavirus disappeared, just like Joe Exotic did at the beginning of this whole thing. Let's have a show. Let's do this.

Let's get right to it. Joining us now is an NBA champion. He was the sixth man of the year, a living legend on and off the court last night he displayed that while beating the hell out of an aggravator a rioter a destroyer who was trying to shape the narrative away from what the protesters were protesting a man who protested himself this weekend for equality and against police injustice ladies and gentlemen a man that i beat at golf jr smith yeah yeah yeah hey man i appreciate you guys having me man it's been a it's a real honor uh a pleasure to be on your show man i've been watching

for since since the bahamas and honestly, I'm so happy to see you transcend into what your show has become. And it's great, man. It's great to be a part of it. And I appreciate you guys. JR, I can't thank you enough for joining us, man. I wanted to send out, because you followed me after that Bahamas thing.

And I'm a big fan. So I followed you back. And there's you, by the way. I believe you're talking massive amounts of verbiage to me here while celebrating on the bus afterwards. But I didn't want to waste. I didn't want to shoot my shot and blow it. You know, I didn't want to be like, hey, Joe, come on the show. So I had to wait until something electric and legendary happened with you.

And because getting to meet you in person, you were such a cool dude. Nice to everybody. Literally nice to everybody. such a cool dude nice to everybody literally nice to everybody and then last night obviously video surfaces of you getting into it with somebody who was taking the narrative of a protest in which i think was very powerful and i think very a potential pivotal moment in american society because it felt as if everybody was on george floyd's side in this thing normally that is not the case normally there's some idiots that are like, well, let's see the whole video. Let's see this. This was one where I think all of America, especially coming out of this quarantine, was like, hey, we all are on this side. 2020 is the

year we say no more of this. And then these rioters and agitators got involved and almost started sending the narrative in a different direction. And you got caught up with one. What was your weekend like before this, obviously? And then let's talk about what happened before this video aired and who the hell is the Respect His Privacy guy because that guy's a legend as well. Man, you know it's crazy because I was at home, man. I opened up my gaming company. I'm a big gamer and stuff, and I was playing Call of Duty.

And in Call of Duty, you hear helicopters, you hear gunshots and stuff like that. So one of my boys, my boy one of my drawing cars he lives down the street from me he was like yo uh come outside you see what's going on cut the news on cut the news i'm like what i cut the news on and i take the headphones off and i hear four helicopters surrounding my house so i don't really like i didn't turn the news on yet that that day so i didn't really know what was going on so i cut the news on and this shit is going on at the corner of my house like literally on the corner so i get out walk down um protest with some of the people i i hand out waters and take pictures and stuff i got some dope ass footage and it was just like it was so much it was so much love and every it seemed like

some so many people were unified at the time. And then you get to the scenes where you see people burning cars down, breaking into stores and shit. And it's just like, bro, I'm not for this. This is not what it's about. This is not what it's for. More than anything, when people see this on TV, when they see people turning stuff over, knocking like breaking it's not going to give us a good life after this going forward so it's not it's not in my eyes not helping the situation now you want to peacefully protest 100 we we can do that all day but once you get to vandalizing

people's personal property that has nothing to do with nothing. And 100%, honestly, I'm the only black guy on my block. I'm the only black person on this corner. So for you to randomly just thinking you're doing something for the people, the one black person who was able to get out the situation and move into a nice neighborhood and do all of those things that we aspire to do, you broke that person's window without even knowing so it's like people are consistent consistently doing stuff when you don't even know what you're doing it for or why you're doing you out of all the people

100% now granted if he would have seen me and seen somebody outside the car or outside the house or whatever do i think he would have broke it absolutely not it was just a random act of stupidness and i give him that but that ass whooping was a random act of stupidness on my behalf i don't think so because i think the people that were exploiting this opportunity to take advantage of it to cause chaos i think they were distracting away from a real movement that was happening in amer. I said this earlier. Normally, whenever things like this happen, whether it's Ferguson or Baltimore or New York or Atlanta, and it happens too often, but normally when these things happen, it's regionalized, right? It's cities doing things.

It's normally just one particular group of people talking. This particular time, because of the eight minutes and 41 seconds, and because everybody's, it became a national thing, and it became like a real. Look at Hong Kong. They're marching to Hong Kong and everything. seconds and because everybody's it became a national thing and it became like a real hong kong they're marching to hong kong and everything like it's it's it's it's going so so like out of what we've normally seen in a positive way yeah so it's like it's just complete vandalism it's so many people like people in minneapolis are doing like really sit down giving speeches lectures and trying to educate people on what is going on and try to figure out a solution not vandalize people's property and and add on to the chaos to where you give a person a reason to shoot you or do

do something harmful to you this man was down there for eight minutes and 46 seconds for no reason. No, for no, literally like, like being taken to life from him, calling from his, calling for his dead mother. And then we go out here and quote unquote, trying to represent his name in a good way. And between tarnishing people's shops and like so many people who have nothing to do with the situation. Like I was walking down melrose there's so many people from the middle east and all these people who are immigrants who fought their way over here who struggled to get out of their situation to come and try to provide and make a better life that we all strive for are supposedly striving for and we go out there and vandalize these people properly breaking windows stealing their stuff and all it like i seen this i seen

this guy he had he put everything into this store. It was this man was 70 something years old He's got fortunately he's got kids and grandkids and all that but Insurance and all that no insurance will take care of it insurance shouldn't have to take care of it. Yeah It shouldn't we should have to we should be we should be able to Lock arms and stand in front of somebody's store and be like no, this is not right This is what we're protesting against being able to do stuff and stand in front of somebody store and be like, No, this is not right. This is what we're protesting against. Being able to do stuff like this is not right. Well, I think the good thing about it is normally in the

past, I think this type of thing where there's the looting and all that stuff and the windows getting broken that you're referring to it happened in our city as well. Normally, that would distract people from the message of what's happening. I think we're at a point though, where people aren't getting distracted. And I'm saying that because when your video came out, normally black guy, rich NBA guy beats the hell out of a little white kid, right? Normally the internet would be so excited to burn you down for this particular situation. Like J.R. Smith, idiot, makes a bad decision. Instead, the complete opposite happened. And that's why I have faith that America in 2020, somehow, someway, is stronger than the idiots.

Because everybody saw what you did to them. White, old, young, Asian, Latino, Jewish, whatever. Everybody saw what you did to that person and was like, damn right. That is somebody I think that everybody saw as an enemy. And I think that's why that video was so important and your response by the way follow-up response was even better i do have to talk about one thing though your kick your kick we need you to get you know what i mean you i don't know if you can see over my championship belt here but by your hit we need to get the hip in we need to get the hip around on that thing a little bit.

I was trying to go Bones Jones or Anderson Silva or something, but it wasn't. You know what's sad? Because after the first two kicks, I really got in. It really, like in the third one, you could kind of see it. It wasn't that much emphasis on it. Because at that point, when it happened, I seen red. And then when I finally snapped two and what was going on i was so i'm still like disappointed with myself even though people say i shouldn't be but it's just like for me i'm 34

years old i have four little girls at home you know i got and for i don't i don't want that image of uh regardless of the fact whether it was right or wrong i don't I don't want that image of regardless of the fact whether it was right or wrong. I don't want them to have that image of their dad being able to being capable of doing that and doing something like that. Now, if something harms them or something like that, I want them to know that 100 percent. My dad is going to protect me in all facets and everything. But I just never want my kids. And they are. I have to stop you there because your four daughters. Right. You're fighting for their future. Technically, I have to stop you there because your four daughters, right?

You're fighting for their future, technically. Yeah, 100%. You know what I mean? And that person that is vandalizing your window and vandalizing property is taking away from the message that is potentially helping your daughters in the future that we all want to see happen.

So I don't think you should feel bad. Granted, it's not a good look, right? That's going to be something in 10 years where you might feel bad about. But I'll tell you what, in this particular room, we are going to look at that in 10 years and go, Hey, you remember when J.R. Smith beat the hell out of that little anarchist punk? Okay, so we are, I'm proud of you, to be honest with you. And I know that doesn't mean much because we've only hung out a couple of times.

But I think watching that video, I was so proud because it was just such a cool moment. Now, let's talk about basketball, can we? Yeah, for sure. Okay. Let me cut you off. It does mean a lot to me because 100% my peers are people in a position to where we are articulating these kids' future. Yes. For your appreciation for what I do and people who watch you and understand that and the way you say is not nothing wrong i appreciate that because it's people who

younger generation who are still confused on on what happened on and in the context on what was right and what is wrong because i still get mentions and obviously dms or oh and i was messed up you have insurance stuff like that but to but to be taught that that is wrong regardless of what that person did the action that that caused that reaction that person was wrong and then the message that we're like you said we're not going to get away from is the injustice and that's and that's one thing that you know i appreciate you for pushing and uh trying to you know keeping that good message a lot. Hey, no worries, because it's real.

This isn't a race thing, OK? This is people against racists. And that's the difference between this particular movement as opposed to the past movement. In the past, it was somehow deemed race versus race. Like, hey, if you stand with the folks in Ferguson or in Baltimore or New New York. Like, this is a race versus race thing. Now it's like, hey, we're at the point where we've all been through so much with this quarantine lockdown. We've all seen the chance where it's like, hey,

our world can be snatched up from us like this. It kind of is like a locker room. I talked about how a locker room opened my eyes to a lot of people that I would have never met. It put a face on a lot of different hoods from around the country, and you become a lot more understanding once you meet people and talk to them it's kind of like how this time everybody is kind of felt like hey you know what we're in this thing together this isn't race versus race

anymore this is race versus racist and hopefully we'll be able to eradicate that from our society and I think we're there even though the holes of the ass tried to ruin that and one of them just so happened to catch a couple rights and a kick from J.R. Smith. Last thing before we move on from the video, who is the respect is privacy guy? That guy you need to keep around, I think. That's my guy, man.

That's my guy, Dar from Zulon in New York. He owns a couple restaurants. He really looked out for me, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, well, personally, I wish you would have got the hell out of the way so we could. Okay, let's talk basketball. That guy right there, Darv, legend of a man right there.

By the way, anytime you have a friend who's trying to block cameras from shooting you doing something that could be perceived as negative, you got to keep that person around. Shout out to him for being a friend. Let's talk basketball now. We saw you on bikes riding around the city with Bron Bron and A and ad we know you're good friends with lebron you aren't retired but you're not currently in the nba what is the future looking like for jr smith the nba is better with you in it we all believe that uh i appreciate it man it's uh it's been a roller coaster because i've been like i said i've been in the league 15 years and, and being,

since coming out of high school, this is all I've known as a, as a, as a man, as a kid, I've literally grown with this, people call it a job or whatever. But for me, it's a lifestyle. Cause just, just the basketball is, is, is my life. And to not be a part of something that I've been a part of for so long at the highest level is it was so deteriorating. Honestly, I felt like I was just, I was depressed. I felt like, you know, finding a purpose of getting up every day and doing something was a struggle for a long time.

And fortunately, I've gotten out of that rut and gotten back into the love and appreciation of the game. And it hasn't been easy. I'll tell you that. It hasn't been easy. Fortunately, I'm healthy. I can't wait to get back if I get an opportunity to. And I'm ready for sure.

You're more than just a basketball player. Remember that. Your identity doesn't lie in just the money that you made. You need to know that too. I think you showed that yesterday, and you showed that this weekend while you were protesting i'm happy you made it out of that dark place now let's talk about how you got out of the cavaliers organization this is one of the most interesting things i've ever seen in my entire life so lebron leaves you're still under contract with the cleveland cavaliers was this

in the time that you were just referring to as being a little bit depressed because of how long you've been around the league? Or did that come after you and the Cleveland Cavaliers decided to part ways? No, that came after. Honestly, I had so much to do with it because for me, as a competitor, and I know you are a competitor as well, as fun as you have holding that championship belt, I can't wait to beat you guys next year. It's not going to happen.

Competitiveness. We have with each other. There's nothing personal or anything like that. That's just the competitiveness. And when Bron left our team and our owners and our general manager, and they didn't want to be competitive anymore. They didn't want to, they didn't want to strive to make the playoffs. They didn't want to be competitive anymore. They didn't want to, they didn't want to strive to make the playoffs.

They didn't want to be a better team. They wanted to rebuild for a future that me and the current players who went through the trenches to win a championship, to losing three finals and all of that too. Okay. Well, thanks, but no,

thanks. We're good. Like, all right. And we're just like, like, bro, how are you good? Like, how can you do that?

Like, I've been on this team for the last 40 years, going to the finals every single year, competing, striving, at least give us the opportunity to start the season off. And you know what? If we're not good enough midway through the year, listen, guys, we're going to switch it up. We're going to make some trades, get you guys out of here, da, da, da. And if you would have told me that from the door i could i can't argue with that

because that's you're being honest with me you're being up front with me and telling me everything but in our situations like oh yeah no i told i told guys in the summertime i said listen i want to be in cleveland i want to be a cavalier i know bron's gone and everything but obviously i know you guys have some decisions to make so if you're gonna if you want to break the team up and do whatever and not be competitive let me know and now we can try to make work out a trade or buyout however the situation will go and they were in the whole time they were telling me like oh no we're gonna be competitive we're gonna try to go to the Easter College finals we're still that team and that one person doesn't define our team

and I'm like okay cool now I'm going into a different mindset we're like okay i have to be more aggressive i gotta i gotta do this i gotta i gotta be more of a leader i gotta be more book i gotta do so many more things and then when i get to the training camp and everything else just like oh no we're just this isn't the way we're gonna go i'm like you could have told me this two months ago when we had this conversation yeah it feels like in basketball we're going to go. I'm like, you could have told me this two months ago when we had this conversation. Yeah. It feels like in basketball, we're learning this now at the last dance. I think a lot of people got to see it now.

All the storylines and who's upset at who for how they're portrayed, that is not what I want to talk about here. I want to talk about how the storylines is always like, you have a great team, and then do we break it up? Do we move forward? Jerry Krause was painted in not great light. I assume in this particular case,

whenever you're lied to about a team moving forward in a competitive fashion as opposed to just kind of rolling over and decide trying to lose, that can be very upset. The conversations in the locker room, though, and I want to move to the last dance. The conversations in the locker room.

You got a chance to play with LeBron. You and LeBron were a great tag team. I mean, three finals, you win it. Now, granted, there's obviously that situation in Golden State that you probably have to talk about 7,000 times in your entire life. Yeah. What's that? All the time.

Literally all the time. What happened? You know, it's funny. Like, over the course of the game, and it's happened to me numerous times before, and I'm not going to sit here and say it didn't. Like, I get so caught up in the game and my matchups and stuff. I try to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing, where I got to go, and stuff like that.

I don't – I get caught up in not looking at the clock. I get caught up in not looking at the score and shit like that. And, granted, it could have been the most pivotal time to look up and all of that. Yeah, of course, obviously. And granted, it could have been the most pivotal time to look up and all of that. Yeah, of course, obviously. But in the situation, it was just like I knew that my efforts,

what I was trying to do was help us win the game. Now, whether we lost the game or not, regardless of the fact, would we have won the series or not? Probably not. Who knows? Whatever. KD was on fire. There was no chance. I don't want to blame you guys

my efforts were solely to try to win it's not like I'm getting paid from a bookie to try and lose the game or anything you can sit there and see I'm obviously trying to win anybody who knows me been on my team I'm as competitive as they come but

at the same time I understand the time we live in the social media and everything else and stuff like that I mean look at as great as Charles Barkley was as great as Charles Barkley was he could have won a championship too if he's not fouled in games what six when they play the Bulls do we not like Charles Barkley hold on I just need to know do we know, I don't have a problem with Charles Barkley. No, no, no. He's not like that. I understand the time that we live in, things are going to be way more emphasized and way

more on the limelight or whatever than it's going to be for things in the past. I understand that. And I've grown to take advantage of those situations and aspects too so i'm not immune to things coming back to harm me and memes and stuff like that so when people ask me about i don't take it personally it was a mistake jr people trying to make the best effort that i could was it not good enough i tell people all the time i make i make a hundred percent i give you a hundred percent effort all the time something whether it be good enough for you or not that's something you're gonna have to deal with but i'm gonna give you everything i got it was a mistake

things happen that literally that things happen it's a mistake especially in sports with the tensions and the rivalry and the amount of pressure and people make mistakes these things type of happen i think by the way the reaction of lebron is the biggest one which is what i wanted to talk about here what was lebron like as a teammate because we got a chance to see what jordan was like as a teammate and the conversation is always braun or jordan braun or jordan i think it was two very different sports when michael jordan was playing basketball was a very different basketball than what it is when lebr I was like a rugby basketball. Hey! Hey! Stock things dribble like this.

No way. And I'll say, obviously, all of it comes with evolution of time and stuff like that because, obviously, there weren't tight ends like Bronk back when in the 50s or whatever,

but with all due respect, when people try to compare the generations Oh, could this people this person play with them? And it's like when you if you could put realist Chris Paul versus Bob Cousy Steph Curry versus Dennis Johnson or somebody like bro, come on Steph Curry versus Dennis Johnson or somebody. Like, bro, come on. Those people were great in their era.

They were unbelievable for their time. And they helped us get to the stepping stones where we are and at the level we are today. But don't knock us for following y'all footsteps and making it quote-unquote somewhat either more entertaining or better. Because that's what

you guys did for us. Well, Jordan was a trailblazer, right? So Jordan was the first one to do a lot of things, right? So I think that's why when you hear people talk about Jordan, how there's like no way LeBron will ever be better than Jordan. You got to think about the people that were watching basketball back in the day when Jordan showed up and started taking off from the foul line whenever he was going up and under.

Things that we see literally every single night in basketball had never been seen before so i think jordan trailblazer somebody that set the standard like hey this is how basketball is going to go and then with nutrition exercise techniques getting dialed in everything just got a lot better it's two very different sports but what was lebron like as a teammate because seeing behind the closed door there about jordan being a teammate he was hard i got a chance to obviously watch payton be great he wasn't like jordan but he was he held people accountable for everything they did i would assume lebron's the same type of player yeah he definitely holds you accountable um but one thing one thing about braun he leads by example with his work and uh he gives i think that's the that's the biggest he's his

biggest attribute is being able to pull people along with his work ethic like he doesn't mind going to the gym and grabbing me kev tristan uh rj chan and shunk kairi like literally hand by hand like come on we're going to the gym we're doing this we're doing that we're going to go as a team we're going to eat we're going here to do this and he's so very I mean obviously it's easier for the better players to do it but

from my existence Jordan didn't do it Kobe didn't do it a lot of players that quote unquote had that quote unquote killer mentality aren't that type of person to do it and he is he doesn't I wouldn't say he's not a

he's not a scorer so a scorer is like a person who has a one track mind to do one individual thing that's like a sniper I'm out here to snipe people and block people off and that's it Jordan and Kobe and those dudes they did play defense, but they were scorers. Those guys, they're going to put up 50, 60, 70 points a night.

When you get somebody who's so well-rounded with rebounding, scoring, passing, dribbling, a good teammate, it's totally different. It's a totally different atmosphere. He's a totally different person than those guys. When people compare them, it's just like there's no comparison because you can't compare a lion and a tiger. You can't compare them. They're both cats, but they're not the same.

They both played basketball. Both guys played basketball at a very high level. Two very different ways of operating, though. 100%. Yeah, I got you. But you got to understand, the lion is the king of the jungle. Everybody bows down to the lion. The tiger, I don't stop the tiger from licking the motherfucker.

I'm a bad motherfucker, too. That's beautiful. That is beautiful. Before we let you go go i can't thank you enough for joining us jr you are awesome by the way you're really awesome for this um whenever you are on bike rides with anthony davis and lebron james uh are there conversations and i'm assuming others too that i just didn't happen to know their name and that's on me but is there conversations about the potential rollout plans for what the n is thinking about doing down in Orlando? And how is the discussion going from the NBA player side of things?

And will you potentially be joining any teams whenever that Orlando thing kicks off? We had a conversation about it. I think everybody in the players are moving towards the Orlando situation just because it's more, obviously the state of Florida is opening up and I think the governors and the mayors and everything, they're more reluctant to stay open if the coronavirus outbreak goes even, like if one person catches it, I think they're more reluctant to stay open than any other states So I think that's the main reason why they're there

They're looking at or and also because Disney's a big sponsor ESPN ABC. Yeah, I mean Get obviously But I mean the thing about it be really what they wanted to play I mean we got we have the resources to literally play anywhere if we realistically wanted to. We have the money and the capabilities to get people tested or on schedule reluctantly. It's just a matter of how we're going to do it. So at the end of the day, I mean, I think it's going to happen.

I think hopefully I'll be on the team. It's just a matter of how can they structure it the right way with everybody. The players do want to i think the biggest difference between the nba and let's say the mlb or anything else is like lebron has come out and said hey we want to do this the big stars chris paul has come out and said hey we want to do this is that narrative accurate like behind the scenes they do want to get this done because this could be one of the coolest things of all time if they have a bracket style if this thing has a little bit of march madness like this could be a really cool thing for the nba yeah i mean i think i would i would i think so i think

a lot of guys want to do it i also i was 100 percent old guys you know like a cj mccullum and certain guys are have more um i want to be want to be more aware of what's going on and try to be more cognizant of the social issues with corona and everything. Not just obviously with Black Lives Matter and everything, but with this particular situation, corona, because so many different people's health issues. So it's a lot of people who want to play, but it's just as many people who are, you know know worried about their own health and stuff like that a little hesitant obviously i think we all are because we have no idea what could potentially happen tomorrow jr i want to thank you for your time i want to thank you for what you did last night because that person that you beat the hell out of was trying to distract us all from what we're really trying to do here which is make a better america for everybody i'm going to show you our uh guy that's been answering phones today. Big J.R. Smith fan. He did today's show shirtless for you. Oh, yeah. That's my dog. I'm with you, bro.

I can't because my thing, my things, ladies and gentlemen, legend on and off the court, J.R. Smith. I'll talk to you soon. Hey, try to get you one of these someday. Hey, man, next year for sure. Okay. All right. I'll see you you soon hey try to get you one of these someday hey man next year for sure okay what a legend that was awesome that was a special interview hey that was cool yeah hey lion and tiger don and westwood one's not gonna love that answer but that's one of the best lines I've ever heard in my entire life he's a good dude man he was so nice to us by the way yeah like literally I was in there what we're the loudest group of little white kids in there we're hanging out in the regular casino too everybody's back in the rich area jr comes out dabs us up sits down next to us introduced me to

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pretty good i'm not sure what you're doing but i feel pretty good we're back we got recharged over the weekend you had a big jr smith interview earlier today so all is well we would like to obviously address the fact that we are saddened that the powerful protests that were launched this weekend in the past couple days in the name of george floyd in which the entire country seemed to be on one side of this thing and we were potentially getting to a pivotal point a paramount point in our nation's history that kind of got distracted a little bit with the riots and the destruction of things and the fires that were burning so we're kind of saddened by that but optimistic for the fact that it feels as if we're all on the same page and we

can separate the message from the carnage and that is a good thing because normally we as a society aren't able to do such a thing. I thought J.R. Smith did a good job of explaining it too when he talked to you earlier. He made a comment, can't we all just lock arm in arm and protect businesses and try not to de-escalate things, whatever. It seems like what he was trying to do. I know the end game wasn't that. He's just holding the kid accountable, I guess, for breaking his window. Hey, hey, when he beat the hell out of that kid, because I guess, for breaking his window. Hey. Hey.

When he beat the hell out of that kid. Because I was watching this stuff all weekend. You know, I was watching as much of the world was all weekend. And the people that were just, you know, exploiting this opportunity to really just handle and kind of dismantle things and light things on fire. I mean, it was like upsetting. It was like, come on, like this, you got people protesting over here and then you got you guys just doing your own jackass thing.

And it's like, you're taking the message away from these, whenever there's a real, this is like a real momentum push at this point too, that our society, I don't think has seen ever. I don't think we have ever seen the momentum that we potentially had. Everybody watched that George Floyd video and was like, that can't do it.

And then now the conversation's gonna be like, like well five cities were burnt down last night it's like no come on come on it could have been five cities had powerful protests that really hopefully are going to enact some actual change in our society but it was great talking to jr and the fact that he beat the hell out of that guy i am such a big fan of i mean chasing him down he said he said he's uh looking to get back in the nba so he's in some good shape i mean this guy catches an in-shape guy who's just kind of been working out and protesting and he's you happen to just slaughter his truck's window i mean that is a recipe for disaster for little white caucasian anarchists that just thought he was going to go around in the bell

uh bel-air uh neighborhood and just kind of do some damage catches did j did jr say has he been in contact with this kid at all no jr has no idea who he is and that kid will never come out by the way because if that will the kid he won't press charges can't can't this is like what happens when people allegedly rob drug dealers right when you rob a drug dealer you're just assuming that the drug dealer can't call the cops because what you robbed from the drug dealer was in itself illegal. So they can't incriminate themselves by calling the cops on you, right? So that's why that is something that happens for this particular case. If this person calls and press charges on J.R. Smith, let's assume J.R. Smith's lawyers are going to be

pretty good at this point. And also, I would assume they'd be able to pin so many other things on this. This person could potentially end up being charged with like over a million dollars worth of vandalism and damage and all this type of shit. If that person's a press charges, they would have to. Then they're getting what? Doxed or whatever, right? So now everybody knows who they are. Then they're getting pinned with a lot of, they can't do it.

So it's like, I'm not saying that J.R. Smith, if he was to go back, he should do more to the person, which I assume a lot of people are saying, but I think it's going to be tough, just like it was tough to catch anybody that was banging through windows because they all had masks on and they weren't getting arrested.

In Indianapolis, there's full ski masks, people busting out windows. They'll never be caught unless they were to come out and say, know what that window I was broken fought back hit me in the face I'd like to sue that building like that just can't happen you know what I mean yeah it obviously 100 should not happen if the kids just take the L and realize like hopefully it's a good moment in his life the kids like hey I was I was reckless I got caught up I broke this dude's window and guess what what? He held me accountable.

And I did it to the wrong guy. So hopefully it kind of changes that kid's career, like his life path moving forward. You think that anarchist, that kid, is like, you know what? J.R. Smith held me accountable, man. There's no way. I hope he knows. Hey, this happened one day.

It could happen again. You know, I do. Nihilist, AJ. Believes in nothing. I do wonder if he goes to, if he goes like last night when he went to bed last night, he was like, fucking wrong window there. J.R. Smith? Who knew? Man, I'm so unlucky.

All my buddies broke all kinds of stuff. So he breaks that window off by himself. He runs back to wherever the group is. He's like, you never fucking believe what just happened. What happened? J.R. Smith just beat me up. They're like, J.R. Smith did not beat you up. You lied.

Yes, he did jr smith beat my ass look like no that's because you fell no it's jr smith and his fans like or his friends his little dumb ass anarchy friends are like no let's go get some fucking liar do not do it and then the internet they're like did you see it was it was jr smith did you i wonder if there was any follow-up conversation from the fuckboys that were out there doing all the damage to everything that didn't even realize that they're fighting allegedly for justice for African-American people and equality. And what are they doing? They're costing the only black person on that street a broken window in his car.

They're burning down black-owned businesses. It's like, what are you, what are you even, you don't even know who you're? You're an idiot. And that's why when J.R. Smith beat the hell out of them, the whole world rejoiced. And I would hope that continues. What a cool guy for coming on the show, by the way. I was in say guy. Yeah, I saw you tweeted something, Adam, he get right back to you or what? Well, I tweeted something, Adam. And then on Instagram, I did something in the IG story, you know, because you show up in

the DMS there of the IG story. And since he followed me since I I was part of a team that beat him for one of these in a golf tournament down in the Bahamas, since he followed me, it showed up in his actual DM. So I think he actually saw it and was like, yeah, let's go ahead and do it. I was like, holy shit. Whenever he said, yes, sir. I was like, I followed up with a, are you sure? Basically, he was like, yeah, I was like, my man. So then this morning I woke yeah. I was like, my man. So then this morning I woke up. I was like, I'm going to be talking to J.R. Smith today. Then came in.

I was like, I mean, that is early L.A. time. I mean, I don't know if we're really, I don't know if we're like that. We've hung out. We are friends. He watches most of my IG stories. You know, you can see who's watching. I watch all of it. I feel like we have a good internet relationship, he and I, on Instagram.

But then this morning he hit me with, on my way let's go and I was like Mike and then as soon as he resumed him we saw him at his house that was unbelievable I'm so thankful he came on the show and I think a good conversation was had and a lot of people who might have misunderstood what the messaging was throughout this entire weekend because it might have got lost in the riots and the burning and the looting and the damage and that he was a great conversation for it i mean he was a great conversation for everything and hopefully it'll only add to the momentum that we have as a society there's him marching by the way great camera lens good lens he said he got some dope ass footage by the way strong mask too strong mask he seemed didn't he seem like very mature in your interview with him like i was like okay he didn't just come on and say oh this little punk broke my window and you know i beat him up Strong mask, too. Strong mask. Didn't he seem very mature in your interview with him? I was like, okay.

He didn't just come on and say, oh, this little punk broke my window and I beat him up for it. He had a good message, I feel like. Yeah, J.R. Smith's awesome. I know. I've known that for a while, but I think it's great that you got that straight from him. He's a good guy. Doesn't like Hennessy either. Everybody calls him the Henny God because there's a photo of him in that parade With two bottles of Hennessy

He's not even that big of a Hennessy fan Likes Jack I wonder if Hennessy never came through With like a fool And Jarrah's like okay well I'm fucking done with this I'm not doing that Okay let's talk about some other stuff A friend of ours and we're actually going to call him right now

So I think we have to lose you for a second aj adam amin you're going to be calling back with this guy adam amin was play-by-play guy for espn for every single sport you'd see him on thursday night to be doing college football on friday somehow he'd be doing like college basketball he'd be doing baseball at certain times he is called he does the hot dog eating contest every fourth of july go ahead connor connor's microphones off nba too yeah he calls the nba doors i mean he literally calls everything he just got a deal with fox sports so espn let him out of uh the building somehow when his contract was up he goes over to fox i think he's gonna get a chance to call some nfl games well. Talented, talented play-by-play guy. I got a chance to experience it Thursday night football in a bunch of towns across the South,

basically, whenever we were calling on ESPN. Good dude. But every time we talked to him about goals, aspirations, and everything like that, obviously he wanted to call NFL games. He wanted to move up in the broadcasting ranking. But he talked about how the Chicago Bulls play-by-play person was his dream job. He's like, ever since I was a kid, I want to be the voice of the Chicago Bulls, basically. I want to be, he didn't say the voice of the Chicago Bulls.

That'd be quite an aggressive take, I guess. But he wanted to be the ones doing the play-by-play for the Chicago Bulls. Just got hired to do that. So literally, he just got that. So not only did he just get a gig with Fox, now he's going to be the play-by-play guy for his hometown team. His dream gig with the Chicago Bulls. Ladies and gentlemen,

Adam Amin. Hey, this is for you though, buddy. What do we got here? We got the cutoff. This is all for you. A little sleeveless hoodie action. I don't know if... All for you, pal. You do look small. You look like you've gotten into great shape during quarantine. Walked into your there a lot of new a lot of news with you you go to fox you're trying to deal with fox congratulations but today it comes out that you

get your dream position basically is now being the lead play-by-play for the voice of the bulls technically new voice of the bulls this has to be massive for you i'd assume we've had talks about this right where we come from is really important to us, right? AJ, I know you feel the same way. Where you come from is important to you. Pat, I know how you feel about Pittsburgh hanging out with you in your hometown and seeing how people respond to you. And I hope that ends up being the case, man. This is where I'm from. You can see the city back here. This is my home. And I'm thankful to have an opportunity like this for a team that i grew up watching i'm five years old sitting on the couch in my parents

basement watching bulls games it's nuts adam do you uh how nice is it going to be i guess to where if you're the the bulls full-time play-by-play guy you can be a bit biased towards the bulls oh yeah a little bit man like you you feel connection you feel investment and I don't think I've ever been a homer like Pat. You know, Pat's worked with me in the booth. He knows how I am. But I think having some investment and connectivity to not only the team that you're watching, but the fans who are watching games. Because I am that.

I was that. I still am that. So I think letting that out a little bit and letting people in and kind of connecting on that level, I think that's what makes a lot of the great hometown announcers really really good myron cope of the pittsburgh steelers the man who created the terrible towel that terrible towel that terrible double yoy donner the there's the voice of the town is all the highlights that'll go on in infamy forever it's normally the local play-by-play person because it's the most passionate,

the most spirited, and things of that nature. And then I think back to semi-pro with the Flint Tropics. There's two commentators that travel around. Basketball is a little bit different because it is an intimate thing. Like, you're traveling now with this team. You're going to be around a lot with this team.

You become a part of the team almost, and that has to feel pretty cool as a guy who grew up in Chicago. Like you said, you're a member of the Chicago Bulls ipso facto. Yeah, I think that's absolutely correct. And think about if you're a fan of one team and how passionate you get on Sundays, if you're watching the Steelers or you're watching the Colts, you're watching the Packers, whatever it may be, think about how passionate and excited you get when something good happens. Like, again, it's not the same level if I'm on the air for that. But if I'm watching and something great happens, I want these guys to do good. You know, I want them to be successful because you are traveling with them. You know, when you get to

know people, you're going to be more invested in them. So when you travel with a lot of these guys, you get to know them a little bit, get to learn their stories, you get to learn their background, what type of people they are. You want them to do good things you're a good storyteller too so the more you learn about people i think it's only going to make the coverage of the team better which is good for the fans which is good for the bulls especially after this whole last dance thing has come up man what what uh what a time right to jump in after the momentum of all this everybody's kind of intrigued by it by the Bulls again and the franchise just nationally. Obviously, here in Chicago, everybody's passionate about it.

But now everybody's been watching. They want to see this franchise be good again, right? You need the cornerstone franchise of these leagues to be great teams. And I'm hoping that front office change, new GM, new assistant GM, a lot of young talent. I'm hoping that all that kind of combines to get to a good place. Adam, I know everyone's asking about, oh, should these broadcast if there's no fans in the stands? Should they add a little subtle bed of some crowd noise?

Like, I guess, where do you stand on this? Have you given any thought? Yeah, I've thought about it a little bit. I like crowd noise. Like, I live for that. You know, like, that's what gives me energy. You know, Pat knows standing next to me in the booth. Like, I live when the crowd's big. We jacked up man we're loving it so you want you want

some semblance of that in your in your headset but i can understand too if you're a fan it might be a little bit jarring you know watching watching the bundesliga you know the big time german soccer you're thinking all right well this sounds a little natural you might have to get used to it a little bit before you feel truly comfortable with it yeah you do too and hey when the crowd gets going the fist bumps start coming out for me he's like i'm like i'm like jacking him in the shoulder i was like yeah this is awesome this is great i think that's the thing about a good play-by-play person though is if they enjoy what they're doing i think too much in your world in the play-by-play world it's a lot of i don't want to say older voices but it is it's a lot of, I don't want to say older voices, but it is.

It's a lot of older voices who have been there, done that. And I don't want to say they get jaded with the sport, but the sport loses its luster to some people. And it's very apparent while they're calling the game. There isn't much emotion. They're not enjoying what they're doing. This is why when Tony Romo comes in and shows just a little bit of emotion and happiness, people are like, this is what we love. That's why I think with you, you have that incredible joy with sports.

And it's not just basketball. It's not football. You would call bowling, I think, in making electric. I think that's the good thing about you is you, I think you genuinely enjoy what the hell you're doing and love the sports as a whole. Is that accurate? Yeah.

I think, I hope so. I hope that's what it comes off. Like part of the reason that I enjoyed our, our time together so much is because you, me, Matt and Molly had a good time. Every time we went on the air, every time we were off the air,

we had a blast. AJ, you've been with Pat in the booth and my buddy, Sean Kelly, you guys did a broadcast together. You know that if, if you guys are having a good time and it's, it's,

it's real, it's genuine, it's authentic, then the people sitting at home are going to get caught up in that. It is infectious. Don't ever get that twisted. For any of you who are on TV who do this for a living, if your passion is genuine, people will see it.

They'll latch on to it. They're going to want to connect with that. And I think that's what made our season so much fun this past year, man. Seriously. Adam, what went through your mind when you first got the news that pat was going to be joining you in the booth uh hassle so hassle that called me this is like two days before we're going to actually going to meet right so hassle beck's telling me a week before he's like hey i think mcafee might actually join the crew like like we got a chance i was like oh that's that's cool i don't really know

much about him but i he's pretty entertaining. He's been pretty funny. I enjoy that. He goes, you're going to get along with him more than you get along with me. Me and Matt get along really well. But Pat and I are, like, cut from a very similar cloth, as obviously the resemblance is uncanny there. But, like, a couple days before we were going to meet for the first time, our bosses, like, had a conference call with us.

They're like, yeah, Matt is coming on. He's going to see you for the first time in Charlotte inotte in two days all right good luck and like that's all it was so i show up i don't know what to think i don't know what he's gonna feel about me and then i think at our our seminar or whatever they ended up we end up playing like family feud on the stage with everybody and i jumped on pat's back and we walked off the stage after we dominated yeah for real and i was like the fact that you were so responsive and like it just it felt easy it felt legitimately easy and i get along with people that are like that they're easy to get along with they're genuine they want to hang out they want to

connect that's that's what it was like the thing about it was i didn't know i was doing that either until you guys so i mean two days before the call and i don't know much about college football at this point because i hadn't paid attention for i I don't know, the last 10 years of my life or whatever. So two days before this call, it might have been like one day before the college seminar. Maybe. Yeah, I get a heads up. I think so. Yeah, they're like, hey, you got to go down to Charlotte now because all the college football people are going down to Charlotte.

I'm a college football person. Like, oh, yeah, you are doing Thursday football. Wait, wait, wait. You're telling me they told you like a day or two in advance that you were doing something completely new? No, no kidding. That's shocking. Yeah, that is exactly what happened.

And then I get down there. They asked me to tell everybody to sit down. And I don't even know what the fuck the conference is that we're at. Oh, my God. That was insane. I felt so bad. So we've got a room full of like 400, 500 people or so. Maybe I'm overshooting it.

But it felt like 400 or 500 people in this big conference room room at this hotel and so i'm standing like two feet away from pat we just met for like the first time and somebody somebody from espn comes up and goes uh hey pat can you go up to the uh to the front and just get everybody settled down you know just do do your thing what the am i supposed to do all right and we're like okay let's see what this molly matt and i are just like leaning in we're like oh yeah let's see how this is gonna be great oh i think i asked adam i was like adam what is the name of the thing we were currently at it was the college football seminar it was like had an entire name i was like i don't even know what i am at currently i know we're at charlotte so i just went up thereore early, got Levy to start laughing.

Get their attention. Get their attention. As soon as I got Levy laughing, I looked, and Herbie was losing his mind a little bit. I'm like, okay, if those two are laughing, I don't really give a damn about anybody else. And then everybody else kind of bought in. And then I was mid-story, and everybody sat down.

I was like, all right, that's all I was supposed to fucking do. Let's get this thing started. And I introduced Lee. I think I introduced Lee. I introduced Lee Fitting immediately after that. Yeah, our boss. Our boss who, like, handles every aspect of football at ESPN. And Pat's swearing up his throat.

I'm like, all right, fucking A. This was the best thing ever. Lee Fitting, everybody. This is what I'm getting. I can't even remember what was going through my head. I'm like, yeah, it's going to be an interesting season. It's going to be an interesting season. Well, then I sit down, right?

The groups were sitting in certain areas. So, like, our group was over here, and then there was another group. Like, groups were everywhere. I go and sit down, and Lee starts his entire speech about, like, college football. And it was only at that moment I realized I'm like, oh, I'm at, like, the training camp. This is like training camp for all the college football and it was only at that moment i realized i'm like oh i'm at like the training camp this is like this is like training camp for all the college football crews and then people start talking they're like this is the last time a lot of us will see each other because we're on different crews so for the next six months we're going to go opposite directions i'm like oh shit like people are going off the ward like okay so this is so i didn't

fully understand what we're ready to write write to write. Write to your loved ones. Write to your wives and children. It's like, oh, my God. It was a good time, though. Adam was incredible at what he does, AJ. Hey, Pat, I got to jump in. Okay, so you're at this giant seminar. All the biggest people are working college football.

Is there no emcee at the event? Like, who is running this? Why are they grabbing Pat? He doesn't even know where he's at to have him push the crowd. Yeah. I think we just don't – like our bosses will come up and like a couple of broadcasters will come up and like moderate panels. But it's like kind of a free-for-all.

They're just going through an agenda. Whatever executive or – Training camp. Hey, guess what? Whenever that – I don't know if that seminar will be able to happen this year, but I think Pat's got a job for life as the mc i listen i think it would if you invite other people in make it like a public forum the hits for that would be insane insane i couldn't even fathom it that was why i didn't even know the name of the thing i was at i was like espn college football seminar. Stick with that. You'll be fine.

I promise. Let's talk about you moving to Fox. This is a big deal. This doesn't happen all the time. I feel like play-by-play people kind of sit in there. You move over to Fox, and we're in a world where you're the youngest up-and-coming play-by-play guy. I've got a chance to work with you. I love everything that you do.

What was the move to Fox? Why did it happen? What are your thoughts and expectations? Obviously, you loved your time at espn that's understood but what are your expectations for what you're gonna do at fox yeah i think when they came in and and you know and i knew the guys at fox for a while you guys have worked with them like they're good good people just like at espn like i i don't go somewhere and i don't work with people voluntarily unless i like them and i feel comfortable with them and I feel like they have my best interest at heart. That's how I felt at ESPN for a long time. And I've gotten to

know a lot of the people at Fox over the last five to seven years. You talk, you run into them at events. And when I'd go and meet with them, when my contract would be up, like free agents do, you meet with teams or whatever it is, we're free agents in a sense as well. So we say, hey, all right, this is what we might have for you. This is what we might have for you. And it never felt like the right time to go. You know, I just felt like what I was doing at ESPN was valuable. Uh, I, I obviously felt appreciated there. We got to do great stuff. Like these events are just awesome. Like it's been a blast doing what I was doing. And I was finally getting to a point, not only in my career, but in my life where I kind of wanted to narrow down the focus a little bit i was doing a lot of sports you know like six seven

sports at espn doing tv doing radio working you know most of the year which i you know which is all good but i wanted to narrow it down a little bit and when they said hey we have an nfl role for you we we think you you know you could be a part of our nfl coverage we love what you do on baseball uh we'll give you the flexibility if the chic Bulls are a real option for you. We'd give you flexibility for that. And the fact that everybody at the Bulls, everybody at Fox, everybody was so accommodating. They were all in like, let's make this work. We want you to be a part of this. I just felt really appreciated. And I felt appreciative of that as well. And it really has little to do with ESPN. I had nine amazing years at ESPN.

Like you said, Pat, I loved my time there. But I think it was a good time to move. I think it was a good time to try to take the next step, new chapter. And the fact that I get to do this now, be home in my hometown a little bit more often, you know, whenever we get back to normalcy, I think it was just too good of an offer to pass up. I would have been stupid to turn it down. Adam, last thing for me, we know you have your dream job working for the Bulls. Where else, I guess when it's not basketball season,

where else will we see you? You said you mentioned the NFL. Do you know any more details? Not yet. And I'd say that's what's so weird because by now, you know, you feel like you'd have a real good glimpse. You got the schedule. You kind of know who you might be working with when you get to June, maybe even July, and maybe we'll know that sooner rather than later. But like you said, there's so much uncertainty with not only what's happened in our country, by the way, Pat, I appreciate what you said, you know, very good words that you put out there. Not only what's happening in the country, but you know, we're still in the middle of a pandemic. These leagues are trying to figure out what's best for their personnel. Can we make this work can we make this work like technologically you know logistically

can all this happen so usually we probably have a much better idea of it but uh i think you know if i if i had to put an answer to it i think we're going to be playing in september i think the nfl is going uh i expect to be working you know hopefully that'll be the case and and if this year is a little bit different so be it i think all of us understand what the circumstances are but we'll figure it out from there yeah but you'll be self-aware enough to understand that the viewer is also experiencing something very different and i think absolutely you know i think that's a big deal is like as the commentator you're setting the tone for everybody right the environment yeah the watch party you know yeah and and you're we're i i think our job is almost that much more important

you know like what you guys do now is important you're you're a a break you're a respite people look to you for a little bit of entertainment a little bit of news all that stuff people are going to want to watch football when it's back on whenever it comes on if it comes on they're going to want to watch it you have to be true to it you have to be true to the environment that's in front of you the crowd noise once the game starts whether it's you know synthetic or whatever that's all well and good but you do have to give people a sense of place now that's in front of you the crowd noise once the game starts whether it's you know synthetic or whatever that's all well and good but you do have to give people a sense of place now that's something that that we all take a lot of pride in when we do these broadcasts we prepare we want to give people a sense of the place that that we're at so that you can bring them in

uh hey when they're watching on their couches embrace the place the place that was one of the that was rule number one on the ESPN College Football Seminar. I was like, oh, that's why they brought me in. Just embrace. You've got to embrace this place. Just embrace all of us. Put those big arms around all your people. All right.

Well, Adam, I can't thank you enough. Good luck. You're the best. I'm happy for you. I can't wait for more humans to get a chance to watch you work. You're a talented young gentleman who's going to be, obviously, at the top sooner than later, hopefully. And the Chicago Bulls got a good one. Chicago Bulls building back that dynasty up there in Chicago. I appreciate all you guys, man. All

of you. Seriously, everybody on your show, you guys are the best. Love all you guys. Do you want to call Zito fat one more time no no no no zito works too hard for that that's my guy you and zito already sent a very very very sweet tweet i appreciate that that's my guy man well you didn't call him fat on national i did i did i did it for the sake of the joke i hope i hope i think i think zito knows my mother calls me fat now because of you oh his mom his mom's a diehard bulls fan, and she's like, hey, if the voice of the Bulls is calling you Gordo, I'm going to call you.

You make Christmas a lot more interesting. Thank you a lot. You're the best. Muy flaco, muy flaco, my man Zito. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Amin. Adam! Thank you. He's good.

He was really good. He was really really good I'm interested to see him next to Stacey King who is seven foot and Adam is not sorry but when he did college basketball a lot he they had a oh yeah that was an a-hole move that's very rude and they didn't even offset remember his head was barely the chin was blocking to, it was the lower throat that was blocking his nose. The chin was blocking, too. I mean, it was tough. He's a little bit shorter, obviously. But, boy, that guy is good at what he does. He knows everything.

He literally knows everything. He's just a guy. Hey, is that your first time talking to Adam Amin right there? Yeah, it is. Working with him was insane. He wrote, what's that called when you're in court and they a stenographer no a stenographer he was like a stenographer in those coaches meetings you know what i'm talking about because i would it basically became me matt molly a conversation with the coach

right and it wasn't like a standard i I'd assume, color commentator, analyst questions that were happening with the coach. It was like a podcast conversation, basically, with the coach. And Adam, he would ask his questions like, hey, who's in, who's out, who's replacing for this? Like all the ones that he needs or whatever. And then he was like, basically, Adam was very cool. And I think the reason why it worked with us so much is because Adam was so okay with like, I don't want to say I talk a lot, but I do talk a lot. And from what I've been told is play-by-play people normally, like those meetings before a thing, like don't talk.

Like this was his show basically and you're like a part of it. And Adam told me early, he was like, hey, I want to let you know, you do whatever you want to do, say whatever you want. We're in this thing together. We just want the best product. I was like, Adam, that's very cool of you. But I had never worked with anybody else, so it didn't really make sense to me. And then I started hearing stories from other people about how they would act.

They were like, oh, yeah, there's no way blah, blah, blah would let you do that. But we would have these coaches meetings. They'd be like an hour and a half long, maybe two hours long, long, long, long conversations because these coaches would be opening up for us, basically, and I hadn't watched a single ounce of film. So every piece of information I'm getting from the coach right now is basically helping me out a lot hassebeck was asking questions molly would ask questions he wrote down everything okay he typed down everything he's watching his fingers go was just like next level he's like and then the next the next meeting we had like that

night he had it all like all of it was either in notes right in front of him that were easy to read underneath each player he had it all in there he knew it was either in notes right in front of him that were easy to read underneath each player. He had it all in there. He knew it was just incredible to watch his brain work. And then he'd somehow dump it. And he's like, all right, I'm going to go call a hot dog eating contest tomorrow. Let me learn about all these people. It was just unbelievable, the turnover of his brain. He was really cool.

And I'm happy the Bulls got him. Well, I think the toughest thing, like you said, after the game, he flushes that. And those play-by-play guys, a lot of color commentators, if you're a football color commentator, you're going to do whatever 12, 16 games a year, and it's on to the next game. But you have six days or whatever, seven days coming up before the next game. For those play-by-play guys and gals, they move on to other sports throughout the week. Like, oh, where are you coming from? Well, I came from Ohio. They're like, well, I was in

Indiana calling a college women's basketball game, and then I did a men's game on Wednesday, and Thursday I squeezed in a hot dog eating contest, and now here I am for the game Saturday. I'm like, how do you keep all those separate? Just the names alone. Like, just being able to identify and announce what's happening on the field,

but then just to be able to pronounce them right, to know all of these names. Obviously, you have charts and boards that they can see all of this, but still, with all the different sports, it's unbelievable. People have no idea. The Zito board potentially was going to change the entire commentator. Everybody knows that commentators have those big boards that have everybody's name and everything on them

and little stories and notes underneath that. We took a shot at a Zito production this year on those things so production it was really good though it was it was a manila folder it was a manila folder that we did where basically it would be the same thing as the big ass sheet poster board but it was a post yeah it was hard to travel with you couldn't really move so zito started putting them on manila folders front and back. So he folded that over and just put it in a bag. It was game changing, to be honest with you. But I didn't look at them ever.

So I told him to stop doing them because I'm not going to fucking learn these names anyways. Let's go. There's a surplus. There's a guy that can build boards for you that a lot of people use. I've seen play-by-play people do that. I know him. I know him. We know him. We know him. 11 by 18. It has to be that size. can build boards for you that a lot of people use i've seen play-by-play people do that oh we know him we know him 11 by 18 it has to be that size yeah it was we that guy was very very helpful

let's not let's not get it twisted that guy was very helpful but i use that guy so i know he's a good guy very helpful it was not conducive to our schedule though where we're traveling and moving and you can't have a piece of paper that's this big, and then if you fold it, it kind of gets, eh. So we tried to reinvent the thing, and I think we did. We did, for sure. If I had any chance of looking at that thing during the game, I think we would have kept to it.

I didn't look down one time. I mean, I didn't even, oh, number 12 there had a hell of a run, and Adam Amin would be like, that is Jackson with the run. Like, that's why i think adam was maybe that's why you had to study so much for these people too where they're so crammed together i was thinking for me huh probably my fault why i have to study now i think about it that's on me adam thanks for getting hey good hey you got your gig you got your gig good for you welcome uh mlb it seems like they're getting further and further away, AJ.

The MLBPA proposed something back to the MLB. We had Jet passing on this morning, and he said he doesn't know if, he said this deal was better than expected that the MLPA offered the MLB ownership, but it's nowhere near, basically, a deal that he thinks the MLB ownership is going to say yes to only have a week left it sure feels like this MLB thing ain't happening and we talked about how the diehard fans of the MLB the Ty Schmitz of the world okay the people that

are diehard fans of baseball which I guess there are those people I've met them now with Ty there's other pack I believe those are those people if they watch met them now with Ty. There's other, I believe those are those people. If they watch all these other leagues figure out a way to get sports back, they watch all these other leagues figure it out. And then this sport that they've been a diehard fan of, okay, I get accosted because I'm a diehard fan of baseball. People tell me it isn't interesting.

They tell me that seven innings are wasted. People tell me that there's too many, but I'm a diehard MLB fan i am a baseball fan this fan now has to sit here through years and years of being just mocked and ridiculed for liking a sport that is just archaic at this point and a bit slow and a bit boring and things of that nature but they've their loyalty has been staked now they have to watch all these other leagues figure it out and them not be able to figure it out i think that'll be the deepest burn is for their diehard fans that are like, God damn it, everybody else can figure it out.

I've stuck with this stupid, boring-ass sport for a long time, and now everybody else can play, but my sport can't. Just another problem for baseball. So for a diehard baseball fan like yourself, if this season— No, like me, like that character I was just talking about. Yes. Oh, I assumed that character was you, but let's say you put yourself in those shoes as the diehard baseball fan. If this season is canceled and it does not happen, do you continue to watch baseball moving forward?

Well, you've got to punish them. You've got to punish them with your fanhood. You've got to punish them with your fans. How do I do that? Just don't tune in? You stop giving them a fucking rating. And you don't buy baseball caps anymore. You buy Kangol hats because you don't want to see a single dollar go back to the MLB.

And that's not me. I'm just talking about that fan that could be very jaded potentially because of how this whole thing is playing out. Ty could probably speak. Yeah, I want to ask Ty. Yeah, I mean, I don't care. I will definitely still watch baseball next year if they take a year off. It'll suck not having it,

but there are definitely plenty of people who will virtue signal and just be like, oh, fuck it, can't ever watch it again, these fucking guys. I am not one of those people, but I'm sure there are a lot of people like that out there. I think it's better for baseball if they take a year off. Get away from the Houston Astros stuff.

Let people miss it. Let people miss it a little bit. You know what I miss? I miss a nice home run. Snag at the wall. Throw it in. On SportsCenter. You know, maybe people will miss.

You know what I miss? I miss Bryce Harper with the great hair flip. Dong shot. Bat flip, almost fight with pitcher. Let people miss that maybe. I don't think it's going to be a catastrophe to the MLB if they don't play this season, but a lot of people seem to think that the diehard fans are not going to be happy about it. It's going to go one way or the other, don't you think, to where people are going to really miss it? You're going to see things trending on twitter when the season's canceled like oh this would have been

when the playoffs started and they're gonna show like clips and highlights or people are gonna be like oh wait did base did the season get canceled like it's gonna go one way oh covet 19 happened yeah yeah we're not playing that sport this year yeah we all know yeah we're playing the next year next year we're not playing yeah yeah well, there's like a few billion dollars that they couldn't figure out. The COVID-19 came. We're just doing it next year. Okay.

Yeah, okay, sounds good. But then you're right. The on this day, just three years ago, blah, blah, blah, hit Grand Slam to win series against blah, blah, blah. Those clips are going to start

circling the internet and then the internet's going to get behind it. Real shame can't do it this year because because guys can't figure out billions of dollars that that narrative could potentially get spun in quite a tight web if i had to guess but they got one week to figure it out and hey what happens to guys like uh like our guy jeff passon if there is no baseball season what does he do well we're not going to talk to him are we no no can't talk to that guy anymore we're not talking to jet talk to him, are we? No. Can't talk to that guy.

We're not talking to Jet. No way. Pat, you ever see one of my favorite things I just noticed happened again? When you're cutting the camera angle changes and they start to slow zoom, usually on tie. Watching Diggs stare at the camera with his weird little goofy smile. I don't know why.

It makes me smile. It's like The Office. He does it every time. Who's that guy on The Office? Jim. Yeah, that guy. The guy that's now Clancy. I don't know what to do with my face, AJ. Tom Clancy. John Krasinski. Tom Krasinski.

Tom Krasinski. Here, here. Tom Krasinski. Tom Krasinski. Everyone loves Tom Krasinski. Here, here, Tom. Here, here, Tom Kransky. Tom Kransky. Everyone loves Tom Kransky. Hey, speaking of that, how much do you think George Kittle is going to get per year? 20. Really?

It's going to start with a 2? I think 20. He's going to average 20 a year? George Kittle, I think so. I looked it up. Julio Jones is the highest paid receiver. He averages 22 a year right now he got like 64 guaranteed the highest paid tight end gets 10.5 right yeah i think i

think it'll be in between 15 to 20 north of the i think it's gonna be closer to 20 george kittle is vital to that niners offense and it's not just uh catching and in emotion or everything like that it is the way he's a road grader. I mean, they rushed. I don't have to say it because Ty's in here and he doesn't deserve it, especially with all this potential no baseball talk and the Yankees spending over $450 million this offseason and everything like that.

But 186 yards before contact in the NFC Championship game and George Kittle was doing a lot of people moving during that thing. I think we're hitting an era now where people are going to start making more and more money now i would wonder if the quarantina covet 19a here affects everything because ticket sales and salary cap going down but i think he'll be by i think that you look for him in the the wide receiver area of money i think because i think the niners might potentially be the first team that does a tight end deal accurately where they judge him okay he's kind of an offensive lineman he's kind of a wide receiver I think the Niners might potentially be the first team that does a tight end deal accurately,

where they judge him. Okay, he's kind of an offensive lineman. He's kind of a wide receiver as well. We see him doing this and this, and they, John Lynch and Shanahan, potentially give him like a, hey, we understand you're worth more than just what a tight end should be paid because you do that. Just like this was the issue with Le'Veon Bell. Le'Veon Bell was the number one wide receiver and a running back, and he wanted, okay, since I'm both, I want that. Steelers were like, no, this is running back, running back, running back money. Then a holdout happens.

Jets pay him not as much as he wanted, but more than the Steelers were offering. I think the Niners could potentially be the team that are like, hey, Kittle, we understand your worth and we'll pay you for all this stuff because there's not a lot of George Kittles out there, and you need not lose George Kittle if you're that Niners team. John Lynch absolutely knows how valuable George Kittle is. He's made comments about like what they're going to get it done. They're going to find a way, but how, I guess, how far does George Kittle want to want to take it? I know his agent says like, we're going to do a George Kittle deal, not a tight

end deal. And I agree, like he should get paid 20 a year. Most likely, I don't know if he's going to be able to get up to that number, but I guess guess we can it's safe to say he will get north of 15 mil a year which is a huge jump from the other highest paid tight end per year average you know what's going to be interesting now is watching other teams that have to pay their tight ends yes kelsey with george kittle well kelsey though and kittle i think they are in austin hooper just got 40 million over here at the browns and he's a blue you got 20 23 guaranteed i think it's 10 10 and a half a year so you could say you could easily say kiddo's gonna get 50 guaranteed don't you think oh i i think kiddo's deal is gonna be large because kiddo's like yeah kiddo gronk kelsey here's tight ends that cannot be duplicate i mean

granted they they are duplicated because there's more than one of them. But I feel like that is somebody you need on your team, especially with the way the rules are now, with how tight ends can be kind of down the middle of the field without getting kill shots on them. I mean, we're in a tight end era. And if you're on a team that understands that, especially if you've got a great run game like Shanahan has,

the tight end is always going to be open off the run game. I mean, that is just something you need. Hopefully, you'll be able to get a massive deal done. Has that come out that they are negotiating that deal right now? Yeah, the contract negotiations are going terrible. Didn't they say they're kind of at a stalemate right now? Well, I'll tell you why. Everything I just said is what Kittle's agent said.

And then AJ's first reaction to what I said, you think it's going to have a two in front of it? That is what the Niners are doing. So we just showed you exactly why that deal has come to a stalemate at this point. Well, don't you think if you're the Niners and you're John Lynch and you're saying, hey, I get it, I understand, you're not just a tight end. You are so much more to this football team. You do so much for this team and for the city that we can't even put a stat to.

I get it, but I can't all like put a stat to we i get it but i can't all of a sudden double the average per year salary of the the next highest paid tight end wouldn't that be awesome if he did though he should he probably will get close are travis kelsey's days on the chief's number then because he's got what two years left on his and then they gotta pay my homes about 50 mil a year starting next year? Yeah, not going to be able to pay Travis Kelsey probably. No chance. Unless Travis Kelsey says, hey, we got Jason Kelsey on Wednesday. We got Jason Kelsey on. We're not going to ask him about Travis Kelsey.

Maybe at the end we will. Maybe we'll slip in that conversation. But you start looking ahead on who needs money and who has it and things of that nature. That's where you, if you're a GM, Brandon Bean told us this, where you see how much people are making and who has to get paid, you start basically in your head figuring out who's going to be available, whether free agency or salary casualty or anything of that nature.

That has to be something a lot of people are looking at. Travis Kelsey would be a weapon, weapon, weapon. Well, and you have to think, too, if you have a guy like George Kittle, like a contract coming up or Pat Mahomes, you've got to look at your roster and say, all right, who can we trade to try to get some of this, to build some cap space so we can sign these giant deals? Bingo, AJ.

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or did you just add this to your day still doing the pool workouts now granted had a little bit making a comeback no maybe i don't know i'm just trying to become the best me you know i'm trying to take care of me i would like to live longer than i thought i was i already made it past the point of when i thought I was potentially going to die because of all the damage I did. Is the liver down here? I think so. The liver.

I did a lot of damage to the inside here, whether it's McDonald's or tequilas or beers or anything else. I've done a lot of damage to the inside here. I always thought I was going to die young. I assumed it was the case, actually. I was always like, hey, listen, probably going to end up dead at some point why though why did you assume that well i was just beating it i mean you're aj there's a lot of kids pat that abuse their body especially young that don't have that nagging feeling like oh i'm gonna be die young but

might as well might as well ride it hard while i'm here i'm just not sure i'm just not sure there's many you're talking just buying hundreds of shots at night like consistently night after night after night just new city what do we do bingo bango same story how we doing all right let's go somewhere else what were you searching for when you're buying shots for all these people what were you were you trying to like build love built by friends what are you trying to do i just want people to have the greatest night of their lives every night that's what i was looking for that's a great message to send I think well I agree it cost me some money yeah if you want to be the person funding it then yeah I'm very supportive of this but it was it was a good payoff back you

know you know the feeling of when you're in a bar and everybody is on the same page it's awesome it is very rare it's tough to get it is tough to By the way, there was a run there for a few years where I saw that every single night. It was beautiful. You're talking about DJs happy now. Bartenders are happy. Barbacks are happy. There's free shots and drinks going out because I've already tipped out enough that they're all happy. It's just like, it just is a, it was, and that was a lot, you know?

It was a lot. And it just, those things can add up on you. And I ate terribly. I ate very poorly. But anyways, now I'm at the point where I would like to no longer be a fat ass. I think I want to kind of take care of myself, move forward. Yesterday, could have ate an entire pizza. Chose not to.

Just ate the wings instead. Just give me the wings because we'll at least do a little keto. There it is. Thank you. It was a very difficult decision. Great work. Didn't do it. I you. It was a very difficult decision. Great work. Didn't do it. I feel like I'm really getting into it.

You and Diggs are on your wedding diet. That's all it is. Especially starting today. Well, Diggs is definitely because today is a big day for Diggs' diet. Diggs, please explain your diet. Well, AJ, a few times a year, two to three times a year, a Monday falls on the first of the month like today. A Monday is June 1st.

And if that happens, you must then start the diet on that day because it just works out perfectly for your schedule wake up wake up i thought you already started it well yeah that was that was a mini one that was a mini one now we go yeah he's he's now we go but he's he's gonna be in big trouble oh yeah big trouble he's gonna be in big trouble his wedding isn't for like another three months. He is in the best shape of his life right now He just now he's getting are you stand up show us? No So your fiance is obviously are you getting positive reinforcement from your fiance? She is in much better shape than I am,

so it's kind of the motivation. Like, I don't want my kids to be like, well, how the fuck did this happen? You think, what? You're going to call your fans, dude. No. Your kids aren't going to call you a fat stooge. They are.

I know who they are already. But he's in, me too. My kid's going to suck too, but he has to maintain this now for the next three months. He's getting fit this weekend for his shit. It's like, yo, that is an aggressive decision. I hope so. This Stairmaster, though, AJ, kick in the ass.

It is a kick. It's just you versus the machine. Stairmaster is in any college weight room or high school weight room or NFL weight room. The Stairmaster is there for old coaches to slowly climb and to punish guys that do anything wrong. Punishment. And if you have an upper body injury and you're not able to practice, it's like, okay, well, during practice, since you can't practice

because you have an upper body, you'll just go sit over there on the Stairmaster for the entire practice. We'll just have you on there for the entire practice. And I think there's something you can learn on that Stairmaster. It's just you versus that fucking machine because it's going to keep coming. It's going to keep coming.

And it doesn't matter, and I learned this in college, it doesn't matter if you have your hands on the side and you're still making it because at some point, you know what's going to happen? Your arms are going to give out. The Stairmaster becomes a full body workout

because you're either on top of that thing holding up with like your your your lats or whatever at this point then it becomes a forearm thing and then eventually at the end of the day you're gonna have at least 10 minutes where it's just your legs in those fucking steps and that's i've enjoyed that at this point where it's like me versus the machine you versus me pal me and ray cons taking you with Jeezy thumping in my eardrums. Let's get to it. And I've enjoyed the hell out of it, to be honest. How many stories you done?

I did 100 this weekend. So how long is that continuous on there? That's a building. 100 was like 35 minutes for me. 30 minutes. I bet you're dying. I bet you're drenched in sweat and your legs are shot. Dead.

I had a hoodie on, too. So I want like an extra step. You know what I mean? Because I was like, hey, need to lose this fat step. Trying to sweat off some cheap pounds. ASAP coaches tell me that. Cheap pounds. Hey, these are some new pounds I put on in the weekend.

I need to get these boys off of here. But yeah, I had full hoodie on. Did 100 floors. I mean, I'll probably do that again today. I'm getting back in it. And then I'll go get in that pool that the heater broke. Oh, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

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Yeah, sure. Look it up. It says it's tested by an elephant. You can look it up it's there to it's there for safety for kids so people have a pool they have that cover over they'll go stand a whole nine people on it okay look your kid's not going to fall in and die so that's why you get those yeah but mine hasn't been updated i think for 20 years so that thing's ready to break at this point it's ready to go it's slow as shit too when i open it it's like a 15 20 minute process by then sun has come and gone twice it's like all right let's get it open i'm not a big pool guy but i've been getting into it stairmaster in the pool i feel like i'm really finding the best me i feel good i think it's good you're on like you're on this

path i just hope you don't like i hope you don't run it too like hard early on to where it fizzles out well that's gonna happen that's kind of you that's you right almost yeah i'm going ham and then i'm done with it going ham then i'm done with it but i am you go ahead you probably like you learned spanish for a month and then you forgot completely that you did it like piano guitar drums stairmaster workouts pool workouts and everything goes for like two or three weeks and then all of a sudden you even forget you did it well funny you say that because i have i know the way i operate and if it can get into my routine we'll figure it out if it can just make its way into the routine we'll be able to figure it out so the stairmaster has made its way into the routine so i'll be on this for another month or two probably until I get done with it and have to move on but that's

I have tried on numerous occasions the guitar I have three guitars every time I buy a guitar I'm like okay this is what I'll do I'll learn how to do the guitar I'll get it in I try it once I'm like okay I'll do this tomorrow this was kind of fun then I go back tomorrow I don't have any more success than I had on the first day and I'm like well probably not gonna fucking waste any more time on this and I've done that three different times piano I had on the first day. And I'm like, well, probably not going to fucking waste any more time on this. And I've done that three different times. Piano, I've done that. And Spanish, I've done that.

So you're 100% right. They just haven't made their way in. At some point, though, they'll make their way in. And hopefully, I'll be able to do it. Hopefully, I'll be able to do it. I think everybody can relate to that. Everyone's like, oh, with this quarantine, let me find something with my extra time. And there's an app called Duolingo. Yeah, the Spanish thing, I'm with this quarantine, let me find something with my extra time.

There's an app called Duolingo. Yeah, the Spanish thing, I'm with you. I've tried multiple times. I've even gotten pretty far down the road, and then I realized, nope, I don't know really anything, and then that's when it dies off. Well, you're going to need the word box anyways, like the word bank anyways. Even if you're able to understand it, you're not going to be able to answer. You're not going to have, what are you going to do, pull these words that you learned on the internet out of your fucking ass

to answer no you have no idea like you might be able to understand it a little bit but you're not gonna be able to answer you're like zito basically you're technically just yeah zito can answer a little bit though can't you oh yeah i i like if i can remember the word he just i'll use the word he used at me yeah back at him in a particular fashion exactly so i could i could hear him but then i just forget your parents okay zito is your family uh disappointed zito they know they're the ones that put me in it remember oh spanglish he didn't he couldn't speak either my bad oh i can speak both but i can combined you could not speak either you you spoke one language of both of them together. Spanglish, yeah. But it was so bad, nobody could understand you.

Not even other Spanglish speakers. Wait, how old were you when this was happening? I'd probably say this is probably close to like fifth grade or fourth grade. That's pretty deep. Might have been third grade, actually. They were fed up with it. The parents are finally, the teachers are like, we don't fucking understand what he's saying. Blocked and all that?

We try to ask the Spanish kids if they know what he's saying. They don't know what he's saying. Nobody knows what he's saying. Blocked and all that? We try to ask the Spanish kids if they know what he's saying. They don't know what he's saying. Nobody knows what he's saying. And his parents are like, yeah, we've been experiencing the same thing at home. We just haven't really let him know that we don't understand what he's saying. What should we do with him? What should we do? He keeps asking for hot dogs.

Oh, come on. We could hit. AJ, what are you doing? AJ, what are you saying? What are you talking about, AJ? What are you saying? What are you talking? I mean, you are you saying? What are you talking about? I mean, you had Adam Amin.

You were making a Gordo comment. Oh, come on. Bring it back up, AJ. Jeez Louise, AJ. Didn't know you were into bowling. Yeah, got it. Wait till you see this bad boy right here. Can you see the line?

Oh, yeah. Were you riding the hog out there with your cutoff on? Yeah, oh, yeah. I was on the hog. You don't swim with your cutoff on, Oh, there it is. Yeah, oh yeah, I was on the hog. You don't swim with your cutoff on, do you? What? I would. You said you had a lot of pool time, and I'm like,

alright, well, if your former's is just right there, or you might have been swimming with that on. No, I have a pretty good, I have a pretty good little base tan on the chest and the arms as well, but when you're out on the hog, you know, with a sleeveless, and you put sunscreen on the front here, you see? You put it on the front, and you you put sunscreen on the front here you see you put it on the front and then you put on the front here what you miss is that back part that just gets absolutely cooked and there's quite a defining line

down my back there but we're nice weekend you know I mean it was obviously very sad with everything that was happening but we had a little we had a little lunch yesterday out on a patio in indianapolis restaurants are starting to open back up we talked about the world a bit you know it was a good little day but i did get cooked by the sun a little golf outing too yeah didn't you guys play golf you did you facetime me from the course uh probably not potentially maybe you facetime me saturday at some point you should have heard the move i tried to make there on the golf course. It just backfired completely. AJ, you'll love this move. This is very

much a me move. I didn't want to go golf because I don't like holding people up. You know what I mean? I don't like waiting for people in front to golf and I don't like holding people up behind me. I just don't like it. I understand that's a part of golf. You want to block off the first eight tee times

so no one's in front or behind. Thatingo that's exactly what I did seven I bought seven tee times okay so I bought 17 times for me and the boys here wait did you have to pay greens fees for all those yeah yeah yeah I paid seven I said you're like Vince Young when Vince Young supposedly like bought out a whole Southwest plane so he and a couple people could fly on it yeah I would say just get a private plane. That is what I do. Different scenario. But, yeah, different scenario here.

But this course, obviously, first weekend really back to life and everything like that. They were packed. A lot of courses were packed. I actually told Foxy, I was like, hey, it's not for me to go. I hate the feeling of people waiting on us. Like, I don't want, I hate being. I'm with you. I hate that feeling when people are behind. I don't know what it is.

I don't like it. I don't like being the reason why people have to wait. And we were playing six wide, too. We were playing betting games. I wanted to enjoy the day out there. And I said, if you find a golf course that lets us have an hour and 10 minutes of tee times, I'll go. So they called 10 different golf courses. They find one that has it and they're like yeah we could definitely do that for sure let's go so we get all seven tee times at this place we go i pay for it i'm like

i can't believe this is happening this is awesome we t off okay we t off six wide the tee times are already 30 minutes behind though right so they were already behind 30 minutes okay from everybody that was in front of us so we teed off bang we go we're supposed to have seven tea times now they sold as soon as we teed off and we get off the green there's people teeing off right behind us going because their tea times were so far delayed the people behind us had a tea time that was supposed to be whatever seven after it was. And they just went right behind us. So literally, I got scammed and hoodwinked by the golf course for, you know, good for them, though. They were out of business for five months or a couple months and all that stuff. But I paid a lot of money, a lot of money for that.

And instead, by hole two and a half, I was a burden for a group of four behind us. And I was like, I'm getting the hell out of here. I can't do this. And I just left. So I golfed a little bit, but not a lot, strictly because I hate being the person that's in the fucking way on the golf course. You know why? Because I hate when somebody's in my way in front of it. So I've always said, you know what?

Not going to be that guy. And I buy 17 times, and it doesn't get upheld. They can take the reservation, you see. They just can't hold the reservation and that was a problem did you have groups in front of you were you having to wait on somebody oh yeah we were waiting we bought 17 times we were waiting and people were on our ass i mean absurd it was now next time we do this we got to hire somebody or get somebody that is close friends of ours but not really mint probably probably admitting a friend of his we t off and then he tees off at the last tea time

and he just keeps the distance in between whatever it is that's the way we would have to do that this is my first time ever doing that and it was a pretty absurd idea actually i was like i'll go if we can get an entire hour hour of tea times and foxy's like okay i'll do I never heard of it before and I was like there's no way that works and then turns out it doesn't work but they will charge you for it so that's what happened this weekend and then I left after all five I think yeah wasn't golfing great was in people's way they played through at one point it was like all right it was a mess give me the well if you were playing with you you had six you had six in your group? Yeah. Most courses won't let that even happen,

so I'm sure the people behind you were super mad. Oh, were they super mad? They should see how I felt. Because they weren't supposed to be fucking behind me. They don't know that happened, though. I know. I actually said, they're Jordan Love in this situation. You know?

I was very nice to those people, by the way, too. As they were on our ass, we were nice to them. As they were driving through our hole, I was nice to them. When I left and I drove past them, I was nice to them. I understood that it was not their decision to do that. It was Gunter Gunter who was in the clubhouse just sending people fucking out. Did you see the group of 12 that passed us? Yeah.

Okay. I don't know if you were there for that. I was there for the group of 12. I can't tell you. Anyways, I actually ended up helping them because they were behind on tee times and then they were able to just catch right up because i i bought out the the delay which is i'm happy i could help small business actually to be honest with you good for them good for everybody sad weekend i got to get out of here how do you feel about our show today aj pretty good yeah it was good i'm glad

adam amin joined us it was fun you had you reca.R. Smith in the Raycons, so everything's good. Raycons? Oh, he swore a lot on the show. And I just got a text from the radio company. And I thought it was going to be them chewing me out because he said shit five times in the first minute of our conversation. In our radio connection, our guy Don, he's a good guy. He's got to deal with a lot. He's a good guy.

He goes, is there any way you can tell him to stop? And as he said that, I just took him out of my ear. I was like, I'm not telling J.R. Smith to stop saying shit right now. Everybody wants to hear what J.R. Smith is talking about. And if he's comfortable enough to start saying shit early, I'm not going to stop him. This is what we want somebody to get to. It just happens to stink when the FCC is taking money from people for swearing. It's like, well, this seems like this is a you problem.

Also led to an all-time quote later on in the show that might have had a swear word. Have you heard what he said about being a lion and a tiger? No. Oh, my God. He gave us a quote where I talked about LeBron and Jordan, and then he agreed with me and foxy about how it's impossible to kind of judge the different eras of basketball because it's two different sports it's two different sports entirely what it was in the 90s led to

what it is now but the game has evolved so much both rules wise nutrition wise technique wise strategy scheme why everything it's just gotten so much better the athletes have gotten much better so it's just hard to compare the two he agreed with our statement on that i think right yeah yeah definitely and then he said um it's like comparing he said comparing lebron and jordan is like comparing a lion and a tiger like yeah they're both cats right they're definitely both cats but you can't really compare the two he said the lion's the king of the jungle people bow down to the lion but the tiger's like hey i'm a bad motherfucker too that was his actual quote and we all lost it and i assume everybody at the radio stations were like oh my god oh my did he just say motherfucker motherfucker twice in one how do we shit five times at the beginning?

FCC's calling them behind. Yeah, so we might have to pay some money in fines, to be honest with you. But I'm very thankful he came on. That's a great quote. You're the new Howard Stern, where the FCC just has to keep their finger on you. You're going to probably end up in lawsuits and everything. What did Howard Stern get paid? $80 million a year or $85 million a year or something?

Something like that, yeah. You're on your way. I'm on my way. Home sweet home. I couldn't hear that because this thing was not a sound good. It was a good echo, good reverb on it. It sounded great, yeah. Do the boys always know the songs that you're singing? I couldn't hear that because this thing was not sound good. It was a good echo good reverb on it Sound great. Yeah Do the boys always know the songs that you're singing or how's that work?

We have a meeting before every show and say hey boys These are songs that are gonna come up so make sure you know at least a little bit of it at least the melody Okay need the melody. That's all disappointed would people be if they thought that was really the truth? Guys, hey, now you know how I'm like, I got to give off the impression that I'm really fly by the seat of my pants, but you give them a list of like 80 songs that they have to be prepared to sing along with for every show? Yeah, that's what the boys got. They got an entire script they got to read out. A whole playlist, actually.

A whole back sleeve, actually. Yeah, we're all the same playlist. I did not know that one. What? Oh, my God. That's the problem, by the way. That's the problem.. I did not know that one. What? Oh, my God. That's the problem, by the way. That's the problem. That's the show, Foxy.

That's the show. Thanks for ruining it, Foxy. He has to deal with some stuff at home, though. It's tough. All right, this show's over. The greatest sports talk show on the internet. From one to two, it's in standard time. So come on down for a rental vacation

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There he is. There he is. Jeff Passon, I want to let you know, I was got this weekend by Jet Passon. I will show you how. I have receipts. Diggs fires that thing into the group text. It says, Big Baseball News.

I see your beautiful face, your name, Bing. Click on it. Here we go. Something I didn't think was going to happen. Got in that tweet which was why i should have known they said that the mlb and the mlb pa come together for an agreement that seems like that's nowhere in sight at this point am i accurate in saying that jeff you are very accurate in saying that and the problem is at this point the two sides are just so far apart and there's so little time if they actually want to get a season done that they have a lot i mean put it this way if we're going to do like a

football analogy it's not like they're on the one yard line and they have 99 yards to go with a minute left okay they are both like in their own respective tunnels locked right now. And they are like, it's that far apart. And there's no daylight, but there's also no time, which makes this so extraordinarily difficult. Okay, so it feels like the players pitched 114 game, 114 game season. I think their financial push is going to be, we just want our prorated contract so that's why they're pushing for more games because obviously with a proration of more games you

get more money and i accurate in saying that and are the team owners going to give in on that at all uh the i think the team owners actually may be more likely to give them the proration or close to it. I don't know if full proration is a possibility at all, but close to it, the fewer games they get. I almost wonder if the clubs are going to come back to them and say, you know what? Forget 114 games. Forget 82 games. Let's do 65 games or something like that at a higher salary. But the problem with that is if you're doing a shorter season, either you got to start it in early July and do your playoffs in like mid-September to mid-October, or you run the risk of running into the NBA, the NHL, soccer, the NBA, the NHL, soccer, the NFL, and college football. And you like these months that baseball is used to having all to itself suddenly have become the domain of all of these other sports.

And there's the possibility that it's going to get absolutely cannibalized. They're going to get lost in the shuffle for sure and the conversation around baseball people you big baseball guy jet passing big baseball guy ty schmidt big baseball guy is that this could be catastrophic for the league if they don't have a season i don't see it that way i i don't think it'll be that catastrophic i think a lot of people in america because their attention will be taken by other sports including golf too you forget golf is even going to be in there and the AFL. I think if they were to come back next year, I think people would be like, oh, baseball's back. Like, it's almost like a more of a celebration. How much money do the teams lose if we don't have a season? And is it looking like that's probably going to be the case?

I mean, the teams say that they're going to lose $4 billion if there's not a season. That's a lot of billions. lose four billion dollars if there's not a season that's a lot of billions it is a lot of billions and and the thing is though they're also claiming that they're going to lose possibly even more money if they play and if players get their full prorated salaries so this is just you know here's here's the problem pat and i understand your sentiment here just bang the season all together come back next year fresh start but if they lose the season this year they didn't lose it because of fear over coronavirus they didn't lose it because of civil unrest around the country they lost it because they couldn't figure out how to split up some billions of dollars, man. And that is the thing that sticks in the craw of people for a long time.

If amid this catastrophic unemployment, if amid all of the issues that we've got in the country right now, something that could unify people, could give people something to look forward to, does not happen because they can't figure out the money part of it i i think that is the kind of thing that long term absolutely crushes baseball in the minds of fans out there who have been looking forward to it coming back i think that's the diehard fans right the diehard fans that go to games the diehard fans that watch every single game the diehard fans who buy the merch those fans seeing every other league get done every other league be able to figure out the

nba with bigger superstars the same amount of cash basically being thrown around they figured it out the nfl they're able to figure it out nascar is able to figure it out motocross to be able to figure afl is able to figure golf's able to figure it out but for some reason the sport that i spend my time loving and people bash me for liking the mlb because it's a boring sport that's too long and not exciting enough but it's my thing if they're the league that can't figure it out i could see how that person could be very upset for a long time and pat if you lose your diehards, who do you have? Bingo. That's why if you're a bar, you need the regulars, pal.

Let's go ahead. Let's get the regulars in here. That's right. And here's the thing. Right now, the regulars are being fed well liquor when they're asking for top shelf stuff. They are. And they're looking at this right now saying, okay, guys, enough messing around. Like, we just want baseball back on the field.

Please figure this out. Not just for the sake of yourselves, but for the sake of the fans who need something. Like, I'm sorry, 2020 sucks right now. In every regard possible 2020 has been a mess all we want is a little bit of baseball we're not asking for too much here guys we're asking for you to bring the game back onto the field so for three hours a night we can divorce ourselves from this reality of suckeditude and go into this alternate universe where life is okay because there's a game

being played. And I hope that the owners in their thirst for money, power, and wealth, I hope for the players in their thirst for what they feel is equitable

which is in this case also money, power power and wealth somehow find a happy medium where they can give the people what they want that's what you're here for give the people what they want that's not going to happen with the owners though we know that look at the nationals owner the nationals owner is worth five billion dollars or something like that and just cut the paychecks of the minor league people who didn't even have a season already losing money now the nationals players are like uh okay we'll put a fund together to pay our guys i guess it's just anytime you you deal with those billionaire

business people they don't have a single ounce of not all of them obviously there's different billionaires and things like that but a large portion of billionaires in the business world get up there because they show no empathy to any i have no idea how they do it i have no clue how it exists i have no clue how you sleep at night i guess well you sleep on a comfortable pile of money it still doesn't make any sense to me so what are the next steps that we got jeff what are the next steps here because the mlbpa the proposal that they just sent over to the mlb was an answer to a proposal that the mlb sent over but they said we're not even talking about that will the sent over to the MLB was an answer to a proposal that the MLB sent over, but they said, we're not even talking about that. Will the MLB do the same exact thing that the MLB

PA just did and said, you know what, let's not try to adjust what you just said, like you just did to our MLB proposal. We'll send you back another one. Are those the next steps? And are those currently happening right now? Yeah. I mean, there's conversations going on right now. And it's, I think the baseball season season pat hangs in the balance this week it really to me depends on how the owners respond to this proposal because there were a couple of things in this proposal that were little tiny gives that the players had not not big ones that are going to get a deal done i mean mean, this thing's, it's outright rejected already. But the two things that I saw, number one, players were not on board with the idea of expanded playoffs when MLB floated it back in February, or when it was first reported back in February.

You know, expanding from 10 to 14, you're going to get, you know, this playoff selection show. There's all sorts of different elements to it. Players were not down with that. Players in this proposal said, not only will we accept expanded playoffs, but we will take it for two years now. Oh, look at that. Hey. Good guy. So that's a little gift.

I think the second part, though, is the most important one. From the start, I've been talking about the potential path to a compromise being through deferred money now deferrals are something that happen in baseball all the time max scherzer deferred money chris davis deferred money scott boris you know the author of so many of these big contracts and somebody who has been an integral part of these negotiations is like the king of deferred money in baseball. So players have no leg to stand on about deferred money being a bad thing. What they offered in this deal was if there is no postseason this year, if because of COVID-19 the playoffs get canceled because the second wave comes and hits, then the owners can get $100 million

back from players. And that's funded by guys whose salaries are $10 million or more per season. Look at this. So that money would be taken and deferred until 2021 and 2022. Now, it's a conditional deferral. it's a tiny deferral compared to the money that we're talking about here but what it does is it opens the door for discussions about further deferrals and that is where progress might get made well jeff i'll tell you what anytime we need baseball information your big brain and your fake bookcase are the ones that

deliver to us and we can't thank you enough for that. My big brain. It's not the only big thing you got here. Ladies and gentlemen, legend Jeff Passan. Please keep us up. Thank you, Jeff. I love that man. Good dude. I love that man. Thank you, Jeff. I love that man. He's the best. Good dude. I love that man. I can't thank you enough for listening today.

Big shout out to J.R. Smith stopping by. I know it wasn't easy for him. He doesn't do a lot of conversations. And the fact that he stopped by to chat was beautiful. Jeff Passon. Also known as Jet Passon. That was a big yawn Sitting at the house

Jet Passing J-E-T-T Passing Such good baseball knowledge from him Such a good baseball mind Good personality Can explain things well And he's dialed in I'm a big fan of when Jeff stops by

Also, AJ and Adam Amin Legendary humans Need to talk to J.R. Smith more. That was a cool conversation. I think we saw a side of him that not a lot of people has ever seen. Just ready to go. Father of four. Can't thank you enough for listening.

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