The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 211 - Ariel Helwani, Darius Butler, Ike Taylor, & Legend, AJ Hawk Stop By. Let's Have A TUESDAY.

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

Today's show is highlighted by a couple of incredible conversations. First, 9x MMA Journalist of the Year at the World MMA Awards, ESPN MMA Insider, Ariel Helwani joins the program. Pat and Ariel chat about some of the top fighters in the UFC not being happy and whether a union is possible after Conor McGregor announced his retirement for the third time in three years, they cover what he has heard about fight island and where it potentially could be at, and breaks down the different situations for fighters like Jorge Masvidal, Jon Jones, Justin Gathje, and Khabib (:42-18:55). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ chat about if they've ever felt like they lost a game when seeing the other team get off the bus, their different pregame rituals and warmups, the PGA Tour coming back this weekend and Pat trying to rent AJ's house for a couple of weeks for some upcoming PGA Tour action in Columbus, and why they think baseball might be officially dead (20:50-1:22:19). Later, former 2nd round draft pick of the New England Patriots and former Colts Defensive Back, host of the Everything DB Show, friend of the program, Darius Butler. Pat and Darius chat about everything that has been happening in the world and where Darius sees things going from here, his thoughts on the whole Drew Brees situation and ensuing fallout, and Darius also giving a few examples of what it's like to be a black man living in America in an incredible conversation that everyone needs to listen to (1:24:01-1:43:20). Lastly, 2x Super Bowl Champion, friend of the show and one of the most entertaining dudes around, Ike Taylor joins Pat and the boys. They discuss how he feels about Roger Goodell addressing the video the young stars of the NFL put out in response to the protests of the last two weeks, whether it caught Ike off guard or not, why he thinks this next generation will be a big part of the movement for change, his days of playing flag football in college which got him noticed by the actual football team, and what his coach told him before he switched positions going into his senior year, plus more, all while Ike runs a workout program from his garage (1:45:48-1:57:50). Don't forget to send in the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat with a picture of where you're listening to the show for the chance to win some free merch. We appreciate you rocking with us. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello it is tuesday june 9th some great conversation coming for your ear holes if you enjoy this show please tell a friend say hey you should listen to the pat mcfee show 2.0 if you don't enjoy this show just act like you never fucking happen all right uh let's get into this thing hashtag this is where i'm at pat take a picture where you're listening in the show got something awesome coming for the end of this quarantine which seems to be near a lot of sports coming back we talk about that life coming back we talk about that in america being better we talk about that let's have a tuesday all right a little bit too much maybe there a little bit too much energy but you get it ladies and gentlemen joining us now is the most electrifying nose

in sports and entertainment mma journalist for espn the authority on all things human cockfighting ladies and gentlemen a Ariel Helwani. Yeah! I'm for Ariel! Woo! Hello. Hello. Yeah, I heard your ratings were struggling and you finally had to call in the big guns. It's about time. I mean, this rinky-dink show of yours has been going on for years now and you haven't called in the big guns?

Come on, man. Come on. Where you at, Pat? Where you at? Well, I'll tell you what. I didn't think we were knowledgeable enough to have a real conversation with you at certain times. Now I feel like I have been completely updated on the human cockfighting world so we can have a great conversation. I was saving you the time of not talking to an idiot.

But now that I feel like I know what I'm talking about, the time has come to fruition here. Okay. Nice usage of a term that John McCainccain popularized back in i think 1997 but no in all honesty you think fan of what you do i don't know that oh i i'll i'll give you the history lesson if you want but i'm a fan thank you for having me it's a pleasure and an honor okay well the pleasure is all mine let's talk about it conor mcgregor okay first of all the smaller cage the fights on saturday night were awesome i feel like the ufc cards here have been very electric people have been watching the knockout

by sugar show and by cody was beautiful and then immediately afterward the conversation was shifted in a much different direction when conor mcgregor for the third time announces his retirement from the fight game what is that all about is that? A lot of people are saying there's no chance that this is anything other than a leverage play by Conor McGregor. Is that accurate? Yeah, I think we'll see Conor McGregor back again. You know, he's done this twice before. I think people are getting a little, they're getting a little distracted by the R word. And, you know, as I told his team, I wish he didn't use the R word because I i think what he's saying is legitimate what he is truly saying is i'm frustrated i want to fight i wanted to fight three times in 2020 i haven't fought three times in four

years i had a horrible 2019 i just want to get back to work i'm doing all the right things i'm staying healthy i'm staying out of trouble and you guys can't get me a fight how is it possible that the biggest draw in the history of this sport can't get a fight? And so he's finally saying enough is enough. I'm frustrated and I'm taking my ball essentially and going home. In the end, I think they'll figure it out. In the end, I think he'll come back. But I think it speaks to a larger issue right now in the sport of MMA, which is the top 1% of the sport all of a sudden are revolting. Like you've got four legitimate stars in this sport right now, openly feuding with the UFC. And that's something that

we've never seen before. I was wondering, do you think there's a chance that they're all going to create their own thing? And now I don't know how easy or how hard that would be, especially with licensing and things of that nature. But Floyd Mayweather has shown that, hey, if you take your ball and you go to your own court, you can make a lot of money. I always thought Jon Jones was maybe the guy that had enough clout at the time, at one time, where if he was to put on a fight himself, a lot of people would watch. Conor McGregor definitely has enough clout to do it. Now you got Jorge Masvidal also saying like, hey, I want out. Let me at least get this thing is there any chance dana white is potentially going to run into some competition by these fighters putting on their own fights much

like floyd mayweather has done and things of that nature the problem is they're all locked into these long-term deals right they get sued if they try to do that you know the the the business of the ufc is a very interesting one because the fighters are deemed independent contractors by the UFC. But in reality, they're not really treated like independent contractors. Number one, they can't just go out and fight for anyone right now. If I hire someone to come fix my garage tomorrow, I can't tell that person what to wear. I can't tell that person what to do Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I can't tell that person, hey, this weekend, you need to tell me what you're doing, what your plans

are, because we made a business arrangement for you to come fix my garage on Tuesday. But that's essentially where the UFC fighters are at. Number one, they can't have their own sponsors. They have to wear a uniform. They can't go fight anywhere. They're locked into these exclusive long-term deals. They have to literally update an app every day for the United States Anti-Doping Agency to know where they are so that they can go, whether on vacation, whether they're having a child at the hospital. They have to go drug test them. There's no collective bargaining. There's no revenue sharing. They don't have a seat at the table. So there's a lot here that's going on. And at the end of the day, obviously, the fighters want more money. Obviously, they want to get paid more obviously they understand that the window of opportunity in the sport is very small

much like the nfl but i think they're finally starting to open their eyes and be like wait a second in the nba they make 50 of the revenue and we make 12 to 18 wait a second they can have their own sponsors we get there's a lot going on here that i think a lot of us in the sport have been wondering when are the fighters finally going to realize that they don't really have the best deal and perhaps now they're starting to realize that it would take everybody though that's the problem with any of this thing you think about wwe they have the same thought as well and now with uh ufc a lot of the conversations are happening if it's jorge if it's connor if it's those at the top of the sport that are leading this charge and they're offering up

to take pay cuts, it's going to be hard though, I think to get fighters who, and it's been very widely known that a lot of these fighters do not live a good life. I mean, they're training at 6 AM. They're living in like tiny little houses, just trying to make it for their first 10 fights or whatever to make it through. There will always be those fighters that will take any opportunity that the UFC has. So I don't know how you ever get all, I don't know how that would work. Has there ever been a, I know you do a podcast with Cormier, great podcast. Have those conversations ever happened in the locker room amongst fighters? Like is there ever? Yes. Yeah. Happens all the time, but here's the problem. Twofold twofold number one you just talked about the fighters there's basically like four levels of fighters in the ufc there's the top one percent right there's the connors the khabib who for the most part over the years have said all right

i freaking you know bled and sweat my way to this point i'm living you know a good life now i'm making my millions. And millions! Come on, guys. A little slow there. Well, your delivery was terrible. You could have gave a little, you know what I mean? Sorry, sorry.

Great work there. That was incredible. Thank you. So they are in that spot and they don't want to, you know, they don't want to lose that spot. Then you have the guys

who are, you know, the next tier champions but aren't making what the top 1% are making. They also feel like, okay, finally, I just made it here. I'm not going to ruffle feathers. Then you have the contenders who are working their way up, right? And they feel like, okay, I'm going to make it big.

I'm not making anything right now of note, but I'm going to make it big. So I don't want to mess this up. And then you have the guys who just walk into the UFC who are making 10 and 10, 10 to show, 10 to win. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, I'm just happy to be here. So you have this almost like these categories, I'm just happy to be here. So you have this almost like these categories here where no one wants to help each other out. And in the past, we have had situations where fighters have spoken out. I mean, back in 2007, Randy Couture teamed up with Mark Cuban to try to change the whole game.

It didn't work. What happened? They paid him and he fought Brock Lesnar. So historically, they'll pay the guy, then he stays quiet, and nothing happens. Could it be this time that these guys are sitting back and saying, wait a second, it's not just about helping me. It's not just about today. I want to help the guys behind me. Who's going to be that guy?

Who's going to be the Kurt Flood to help everyone behind me? Because historically, the fighters have been very selfish, and they haven't looked behind them. Maybe it changes now. Oh, man. And so you're looking at the people who are at the top of the mountain to do so and they have their hands in they have their hands in the cookie jar at the time and it's like you would it would almost have to be retired fighters linking up with prime fighters and trying to talk about how the road at the beginning should have been easier for all of us i i feel like if any time would be it would be right now but boy it feels like that's a long shot have you learned

anything about fight island is fight island from what i've been told there's a couple twitter accounts i think it's in abu dhabi do you know anything about fight island or where it could be or anything of that nature so i have heard abu dhabi that hasn't been confirmed there is a place in abu dhabi called yaz island which i've actually been to I've been to fights there and it's not your typical island if that's the place by the way and I'm not trying to like be some kind of hot shot here that I've been there it wasn't the greatest trip of all time but it was literally in the middle of a desert like there were there there are no beaches there were no bikinis there are no palm trees it was literally in the middle of the desert and so if this is the place I think we're about to be very disappointed

because we've been talking about this for the past three months or so and even dana dana white ufc president dana white as of late has i think tried to temper expectations because i think he feels like this is getting out of control their plan is for july um they're talking about potentially doing the first event there july 11th which would have been the next pay-per-view or will be the next pay-per-view but that one doesn't even have a main event yet. Here we are almost a month out and there's no main event. They wanted Conor. It doesn't look like he has an opponent. They wanted Masvidal Usman. They're having trouble with Masvidal. It's going to be really interesting to see because you would think for their first show there, you want to come out guns blazing. You want to come out

with a big name or two. Right now, there's nothing really going on. Fight Island was going to happen during the quarantine, though, if Disney didn't tell Dana no. Do you know anything about that? Is that an accurate statement? Because I don't know how he would have been able to get any fighters to the middle of the desert in the middle of that whole quarantine, which he said was whenever he first started looking into this Fight Island thing. No, I think people got confused.

The first show that he wanted to do was April 18th at a place called Tachi Palace in lamore california it's a casino on an indian reservation where they've held many mma events in the past and then in the midst of that he was talking about trying to do this island thing and i think people just mixed the two stories up together and thought that the first event was going to be on the island he always said it's going to take me three to four months to figure out the island and to get the infrastructure going and all that the first event was going to be on the island. He always said, it's going to take me three to four months to figure out the island and to get the infrastructure going and all that stuff. And now here we are three to four months later.

So he continues to say he'll have news this week, but that was like two weeks ago. So he recently said on Saturday night he'll have news this week, so we'll find out. But two weeks ago, I started to hear from fighters. Because when he was talking about this at the beginning, fighters, managers, they never heard about it. But now I'm starting to hear from fighters, hey, was talking about this at the beginning fighters managers they never heard about it but now i'm starting to hear from fighters hey i've been offered a fight on fight island but guess what even in the contract even in the negotiations they're not even telling them where it is like they have no idea if this island is in you know abu dhabi or tahiti or fiji anywhere they have no idea where they're going they just know they're fighting on this quote-unquote fight island what do they mean they can't find connor a

fight a fight that connor would want to agree to because i assume there's a lot of people just like connor said like hey when you get to fight connor it's the red panty night and all that stuff you get your biggest payday i would assume there's a lot of people that want to fight connor but there's not a lot of people that connor's like yeah i'll fight that guy like what is the how does that whole negotiation thing go and then jorge masvidal same thing like does he want to fight and they can't find a fight for him like how does it how does that whole negotiation thing going and jorge masvidal same thing like does he want to fight and they can't find a fight for him like how does it how does that whole process work okay so they're two completely different um situations right now with connor he just doesn't have a clear-cut opponent he wants to fight justin gaethje who just beat tony ferguson but they want

to do just off in september and they're telling Conor, hey, just wait for the winner. Conor doesn't want to wait for the winner. Conor wants to fight. He says, give me Gaethje in July. And then the winner of that fight will fight Khabib. And they're saying no to that. Then he said, all right, give me Anderson Silva at a catchweight. And they're like, nah, we're not really interested in that fight all that much.

And he said, all right, give me Masvidal. And they're like, well, no, we're going to do Masvidal at 170. So there isn't a guy, and I think it's somewhat of an indictment on the matchmaking. Here you have the biggest star in the history of the sport, the guy you emulated on a national broadcast after hitting a punt that was 30 yards. It wasn't

even all that impressive, but you still did it, which I think was really great. Vince McMahon. I impersonate Vince McMahon, and it was a completion of a pad. It wasn't even a punt, Ariel. Stick to your little human cockfighting world, okay? We want to talk football, I'll start talking, okay? You just talk about your little fight game, okay, Ariel?

Conor made that popular. Vince, it was very niche. Conor broke it out into the mainstream. So for me, you were doing the Billy strut, not the McMahon strut, all right? In any event, they can't find them an opponent, and I think it's an indictment on the matchmaking how do you not have you know contender one two three four five in a queue just waiting to fight this guy like how are you having trouble finding this guy an opponent then masvidal is saying i fought for the bmf title at madison

square garden this fictitious belt against nathan diaz and you are offering me more to fight nathan diaz back in november then you're offering me to to fight Nathan Diaz back in November than you're offering me to fight for the real, actual, undisputed welterweight title against Kamaru Usman. How does that make sense? You're offering me what he says is almost double back then. You offered me double back then, and now you're offering me a 50% discount to fight for the B.O. belt? This doesn't make sense. You need to offer me as much, if not more, than what I fought for in my last fight, and now I'm an even bigger star that's his issue here so they're saying to your point all right we're going to the next guy and the next guy is a guy named gilbert burns who is good but he's just

basically new to the game and he's like tag me in i'm ready to go like i'll just fight for anything at this point and again to your point that's why the union is always going to be a tough thing to do because there's always going to be some guy who's going to say yeah i'll just jump in there and do it for cheaper it's interesting how about conor mcgregor though saying i'll fight this guy now and then because that's not the narrative that i think a lot of people would think a lot of people would think like conor doesn't want to fight or something in that but instead it's a complete opposite because he posts that video of him beating up the boss banging it banging the banging the thing that i got in my garage by the way me and connor doing the same workouts no no big deal. The fact that he retired after

releasing that video didn't make any sense to me. And now you have Floyd Mayweather tweeting at him. Is there a chance that that's the next fight we see Connor McGregor in is a boxing match against Floyd Mayweather again? No, because, um, he is contractually tied to the UFC. The UFC has to be on board with that. Now, can they get back into business with Floyd and make this happen? Sure. I don't know if there's a great demand for this. I think people want to see Conor at his best, and I think Conor at his best is fighting

in mixed martial arts. It was fun. Don't get me wrong. It was fun for what it was. It was fun to see Michael Jordan try out for the White Sox, but then, in the end, we all wanted to see him come back to the Bulls, and so I think that that was a fun little thing, but now we want to see him fight. And here you have, again, the last two years were disastrous for Conor McGregor, right? It was a nightmare for him, like just one bad thing after the next that he was doing to himself. Let me make that very clear.

He was making mistakes and now he's on the straight and narrow. Now he's actually doing good things. He's helping out his community and he's like, put me in there. I want to fight. I want to just get back in there. He promised us three fights in 2020. That was a big deal. And a lot of people are like, nah, he'll get in trouble at some point. He won't come back in the summer, all that. And he's ready to go. He's in great shape, as you've seen on his social media, and they just can't figure it out. And they're telling him, wait, okay, so what does it mean if you wait? If they do Gaethje versus Khabib in September, the winner of that fight is gonna need Some time off right?

So now we're talking about what kind of returning in December January and then he only fights once in 2020 That doesn't make any sense. How do you feel about his shoulder bop and knock somebody out? I thought you were just trying to show off your physique I mean, obviously a massive but like Did they are you bigger now than you were back when you were playing football oh yeah i'm like 255 right now it was 230 back then wow no drug testing and whatnot it helps well it's hard to find believe me i have tried my best i always said when i was in the league as soon as i retire i won't let you guys know i'm

eating every steroid that you could possibly find. I want to see what my body can do. Turns out you can't just have those conversations. It's very hard to find the plug, especially during a quarantine, from what I've been told. So I would, definitely, for sure, but I haven't been able to find them yet. So I can only get bigger from this point. You're looking great. You're looking like a young Kurt Henning there with those guns.

Mr. Perfect! Absolutely! One of the all-time greats oh absolutely how about him spitting out his gum smacking it yes the towel oh yeah mr perfect's the greatest uh ariel i appreciate you man it's a fun conversation yes thank you very much thanks for having me and again keep up the great work my man hey you too just learn a little history i almost said the f word right there but you know the whole 30 yard punt i by the way i didn't have those like that that was just something that didn't happen that's why i currently have the show that i have ariel you see hey that basement of the ufc complex uh set up this past weekend pretty awesome i why did i have

a second did you didn't you just say goodbye to me? Now you're continuing the conversation? What's going on here? This is the show. This is the show because something hits me on the way out. The basement of the UFC center, that was a good setup. Why was that not? I mean, smaller cage, obviously. It looked a little bit smaller.

But the way it was covered, the way they controlled everything, the fight seemed electric. Is that going to be a move for them going forward, do you think? Or was that just kind of last? This. So this ended up being a tremendous move for them. They built that a year ago for a show that they call Dana White's Contender Series, where basically they bring in prospects. And if you win your fight and look good, then you can get a UFC contract. Well, turns out they really needed this thing in the midst of the pandemic because it's hard to go around and put on events. And now they don't have to pay a site

fee, right? Because they own it. It's literally at their headquarters in las vegas it's quaint and it was essentially built to not have fans there so it's perfect so it doesn't feel empty it doesn't feel you know like raw these days it just feels a little sterile and something seems off about it um they did a really great job of dressing it up and because it's so quaint they put in this smaller cage the 25 foot cage which historically there's data that supports this leads to better fights and more finishes and i think that's what we're seeing in these fights right yes well cody pulled one from his shin there to knock that guy out at the buzzer awesome fights awesome conversation with you ladies and gentlemen ariel hey well put Yeah! Good boy, Ariel! Good boy, Ariel!

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What's up, man? You look tan. Have you been working out outside again? Thank you. I have been outside. I hit the pool up a little bit. This weekend, I actually shit out everything that was in my body. So I had like a four-pack this morning when I woke up. It was very nice. I'm feeling good. I'm almost to the AJ Hawk level of fitness. Nowhere near it, but I'm trying my absolute best. How was your weekend, sir?

My weekend was good. We had nice weather here. We've gotten somewhat back to normal. My son's had some baseball games. So, yeah, it's starting to feel like I'm getting back on track. How was the baseball game? Because it feels like the MLB probably not going to happen, but the fact that your kids are playing. How was the game?

Was it nice to see any good pop times or anything like that? That was a good game. He's played twice now. They've gotten blasted. Both games? No. Why do you get stink? Little Mike Hawk stinks at baseball, huh?

Who? Mike Hawk? They took on a couple teams where I knew in warm-ups. I texted my wife. She wasn't there yet. I was like, uh-oh, this is going to be a bloodbath. Just because I could see how the other team's coaches were acting and how they were warming up.

And I was right both times. They were both bloodbaths. There were some teams that came off the bus that we played against. When I was at West Virginia, the first time I remember thinking, oh, no. Maryland? We played against Maryland, and they had this whole new Under Armour layout and they were literally a foot and a half taller than every single player that we had. That was the first time in my life I looked on a, it may be Upper St. Clair, my final football game at Plum High

School. I looked at Upper St. Clair High School warm up and I was like, oh, this is going to be a rough one. Sean Lee was on that team. there were some other people they won by 50 or something like that we didn't get past half field there for me to do anything in that game but that Maryland game I look at them before the game I'm like holy shit but then we end up winning so kind of debunk the theory in my head but then when you get to the NFL there's some teams that show up you're like oh the people that are scouting for that team and creating that team they like big motherfuckers because there was the Dallas Cowboys I think we played against the Cowboys and their offensive line was warming up and they just like kind of jogged by where our guys were and I was like oh man that is a different level of human there that

is it for you I never had to hit these people ever I I knew whatever I was doing, no matter how big they were coming off the bus, no matter how fast they were, I didn't have to deal with any of that. You, though, is there ever a game where you got there and you looked and you were like, everybody on their team is at least 6'4 at this point. What is the deal? I definitely had situations like that. And I thought of the Dallas Cowboys, and I thought of their D-line. I remember their D-line at one point.

It was like every guy was 6'7 and above, I feel like, back in, what, around 2010 or before then. They had so many D-linemen that were monsters and so good. Obviously, their offensive line is always really good and really big. But, I mean, I never – it doesn't like – I mean, everybody I played against was bigger than me. So that didn't really change my outcome. That a boy, AJ.

Isn't there like Wisconsin or Nebraska? Who normally has that massive offensive line? Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Nebraska back in the day. They were the most physical, intimidating team there was. That's what Scott Frost is trying to get them back to. Is there anything that you look at whenever you look at an offensive line

and you go, damn, the smallest guy is six foot three 350. is there any do you even take that into account are you just strictly watching how they play and things of that nature i mean you know it really only matters how they play i the guys i think i've said not here before like especially the interior offensive linemen the toughest ones for me to go against were always the the shorter stature guys that had a wrestling background like they were always at the second level in the blink of an eye and they were latching on to you and if they got a hold of you you were done so my aq shipley was such a problem for aj hawk aq can move man he's got good feet he's got great hands he used to look like the michelin man too he had that you know what i mean he had that

gut on him and he he would he would use that because he had to have a little bit of girth because he wasn't as tall as everybody else. But he had such good feet. The guy is a Hall of Famer for his high school basketball ability in the paint. Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer because of his basketball abilities. AQ could move there, but that, I think, is the classic guy that was nimble, understood leverage good enough, too, that whole thing. There's two different styles of moving humans. And I would always, you know, whenever I would have to battle against somebody, he was always a little bit bigger than me. good enough to or that that whole thing there's two different styles of moving humans and uh i i

would always you know whenever i would have to battle against somebody who's always a little bit bigger than me and i would have to cobra strike them and then shed you know what i mean yeah you're shocking shit you may have the best shocking shit of any punter that has ever been in the nfl i'm okay with saying that i i think that. I think film would prove that what you just said right there was accurate. I have done that on more than one occasion. Okay. So has any other punter done that on more than one occasion? I don't think so.

Yes, I'm sure they've had to. You think they've successfully done that? Was it Huber who got kicked? Got jump kicked? No, that was Cleveland's punter. His name was Spencer. Spencer Groove. Someone in L, I think.

I remember him. That was a bad day for the brand, by the way. Bad, bad. Was that AB who jump kicked him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spencer Lanning. It was Spencer Lanning. Good punter, by the way, from South Carolina, I think, if I'm not good.

I don't know. He was a good punter, but that was a bad, bad, bad, bad day for the brain. I mean, no flag was called either. Like, it wasn't even the refs looked at it. What are you going to call? Well, fucking have a little bit of misconduct on sportsmanship. How about something? The guy just stomped on the face of another man.

I mean, now, granted, the fact that Spencer didn't do a little bit of a, you know, somehow, some way, maybe make the tackle out of it. I mean, that's just a rough, rough day for the brand. The fact that we're even showing this right now is very upsetting. It was a problem. And for me, I later in the year sent said image to Antonio Brown on Twitter telling him that my family will be at the game. So none of this shit, okay, please. And he responded, I got you, or whatever,

which was very nice of him. And then he shook me, and he didn't step on my face. So that was very, very nice of him. I guess that, yeah, it would, they're both embarrassing to happen to you. I mean, it happens to everybody, but I guess I would rather be juked than just kicked directly in my Adam's apple.

Yes. Yeah, you would rather have the image of you on the ground like, oh, no, as opposed to the, ah, just eating it. You know what I mean? When you had him one-on-one with 53 and whatever fraction yards. A third, yeah. Football. Yep.

Did that? Yes. Did that cross your mind? Yeah, absolutely. Every single time, I would try to butter up the returner before the game, warm-ups, and by butter up, I just want to talk to him. I want to let them know that they're the best returner I've ever seen, and I think more people should see your film

because it's the little things that you do that don't get noticed. Yeah, can you leave this particular move at home this weekend, boss? At Antonio Brown, 84, obviously. Yeah. Spencer Lanning, I'll talk to him for you. And then there's Antonio Brown, homecoming for PMAC. Yeah, okay. Here we go.

Yeah, so, I mean, there's a lot of things that unfolded there. But I would always talk to the returner before the game because when you punt in warm-ups, you're punting one direction, the other punter normally punting the other other direction if you get there early enough though you could see if a punter wants to line up directly next to the other punter and just give a little bit of a uh hey let's do a little ball check here cuz you know what i mean every once in a while if i didn't i saw cyphers did this to me whenever i was young he was checking to see if the ball was deflated or whatever no no no he was just standing next to me and then i would punt a ball and then just as that one was perfectly landing he would

launch one into fucking orbit and then i would have to look at that and then he would stand there and then i had to punt and then he would do it again and i was like oh he's he's fucking with me right now like that is exactly what he's doing let's go to the other side then he would follow you down you know what i mean so i i put that into my bag of tricks. Once I learned how to kick a ball later, you know what I mean? If there's a guy who potentially is on his way up, I would like to see what happens here. Let's stand right next to each other. Leckler and I did this one Thursday night game. It was quite a moment, actually very cool moment between me and Leckler, but normally other than those moments there where

you're just bombing balls next to each other you're punting opposite way so the returner would be around me you know heads up ball coming in I would have to watch they catch a ball right in front of me they throw it back and that's when I would start you know that's when I would oh good I wouldn't I would have dropped that one it was so good you know what I mean like just oh thanks and then some people catch on to my game you know what I mean? Like just, oh, thanks. And then some people catch on to my game. You know what I mean? They knew Julian Edelman, for instance, was the first one who was not about having a fucking conversation with me on the field at all.

He was standing less than a foot away from me for probably four or five punts or whatever. He caught him like, damn, little white guys out here crushing it, man. Like you're so good. Didn't even crack a smile. Okay. Didn't even move. Didn't even talk to me. He took one back to the house and then i had to tackle him on the next one

and then the next game we had a chance to conversate but i always wanted to let him know like hey if we get in the open field congratulations you've done your job you're really good just shake the shit out of me don't don't run me over like i i need not be run over just shake me it'll be easy it'll be good for both of us. Just don't run me over. Josh Cribs, I had that conversation with him. He returns a kickoff down the sideline, and he tries to get to the edge or whatever.

I tackle him. And if you see after the tackle, he stands up, looks me in my face, and taps me on the helmet, and he said, I should have tried to run you over. And I was like, I'm thankful you did it, pal. And then my teammates all come running in. So I was always politicking not to get my face stepped on which i think spencer should have done and also all the other punters from this point forward should also be pitching because that's a bad day for the brand when somebody's a returner ends up on top of the punter that's just not good especially in the age of social media like the amount of attention that

it gets but i'm curious when you were when you would stand next to punters and try to intimidate the guy you know by bombing punts next to him to let him know like hey i'm gonna be doing this all day i've been doing the league for a long time yeah welcome hey pal hey my first video pal hey pal welcome to the fucking men's club hey bud welcome to the men's club buddy you know what i mean yeah did you ever tire yourself out by trying to intimidate a guy pregame? No, I kicked so much. Tom Telesco, now the general manager of the Chargers, he said the reason he was the one that found me

in the Monarchy Car Care Bowl warm-up, he said that he told Bill Pullian, because they were there to look at Hakeem Nix, I would assume Pat White. I forget who else was there for us, but there was a lot of big name players, he was there scouting, he got there early, watched my warm-up, and he told Bill Pullian that he didn't know if I was a punter or not, but there was a guy that kicked for like an hour and a half before the game, and then kicked the entire thing, and that's just, I was always a high rep guy, I needed a lot of

volume, now granted, did that end up hurting me? Absolutely, but I was always, high rep guy. I needed a lot of volume. Now granted, did that end up hurting me? Absolutely. But I was always, I like to see the ball fly. I like to see the ball go. You know what I mean? Inside the stadium. You want to see what it looks like in the stadium, right? Everywhere.

If it's a ball, I want to see that thing fucking fly. And I would much rather have the wind at my back too. I understand that with the wind in your face. If it wasn't for the wind in my face, I wouldn't be able to fly. That's like the comment people make or whatever. Wait, first off, who makes that comment other than a pilot? Well, they use it in punting too. They say because if you punt into the wind, it's more likely to turn over and it'll hold it up and shit like that. I'm like, well, give me the wind in my back.

I'll fly a lot fucking faster. You know what I mean? Just put that wind in my back and let's go. But I was a big know confidence guy let's see this thing let's give these people a show so i never would air myself out a lot of you know there's some teams that do tackling drills before the game they do like real live hitting and stuff high school or nfl nfl you see those guys on the sideline they do the thud drill or whatever and then some go harder linebackers always like yeah most defensive positions will absolutely do some kind of form tackle drill. And I guess it depends on your position, Coach, on how intense that initial tackle drill is.

Do you need that? People say that they need that. No, I never needed that. Never? All I would do is try to time it up so I would be tackling. First off, you've got to be the guy getting tackled. So you've got to fake like you're carrying a ball in your hand and run at an angle and they're going to try just to work on like a thud angle tackle the problem is some guys especially young guys get really juiced up in

warm-ups 90 minutes before the game and they're going to really pop you in the chin or something and i'm like like nothing made me more mad than when i would get caught in the jaw or something during a tackle drill before this is is pre-pre-game. It's not even – we haven't even done our team period yet in warm-ups. And so I knew who to stay away from, but it always seemed to happen a couple times throughout the year where I would just get blasted in the head by a guy. And he'd have no awareness.

I couldn't even blame him, really. I'm like, I get it. Like, you're excited. Okay, cool. But I would feel like if I'm going against AJ, our starting Mike, maybe I shouldn't give him a pop in that massive now granted he's probably trying to hit you in the chest but that jaw of yours is fucking hanging down i don't know what you want from the guy but aren't you supposed to run and jump in like the classic move run jump give them something to hit

then it looks good too because they lift you up you you were like i ain't fucking jumping here okay let's get this done with was that what you did that's what i would try to try to do and they would always want to drive their feet sometimes they're like oh man just just get a quick pop and wrap let's just keep it moving let's get the ball drills i want to catch some balls i don't need to bang my head in warm-ups and waste any of these shots i need for the game who are the i've heard players say though they need that first big hit to like in the game i didn't in the game it does feel good to get like a nice shot even a good stalemate with a guy with a fullback or someone early on to kind of settle you in and make you feel good for the game in warm-ups i never needed

that some guys definitely do need that in warm-ups and they want it i was never that guy me neither i was okay not taking any hits you didn't do do any tackle drills? No, but my first ball, I always wanted to have the opening kickoff, though. Why? So you get on TV more? That's definitely a benefit of it. But for me, I just wanted to see me hit a ball. I wanted to see the ball. You know what I mean? Like, I just wanted to see the ball go. If my first one, it was always an interesting thing.

I would assume you can compare it to like a middle relief pitcher or something like that who has to come in and maybe there's three people on base or whatever. And it's like a terrible situation, but you got to be ready to go. For me, if I'm asked to go out there and the first time I'm touching the ball in the game is either like a backed up, you're on like the back of the end zone, or you got to pooch it like 41 yards. Like I would always like to at least see the're on the back of the end zone, or you've got to pooch it like 41 yards. Like I would always like to at least see the ball fly one time before the game. So the opening kickoff I was a big fan of.

But it's not good for strategery in the game to have the opening kickoff. So there was one year where we had a terrible coin flip caller. I forget who it was. They were just bad. I don't know how you get so unlucky. We had opening kickoffs basically every single game. And was like yeah this i had like my best year then because it was like you just get right into it as opposed to having to run out there and be like oh you missed this probably going to be at least three points the other direction you're in a bad

spot would you guys uh and when you were in indy did you guys defer if you won the toss it depended on who was playing quarterback depending on the situation the situation, you know what I mean? I think with Andrew, we always wanted the ball in the second half. I don't know. I never made those decisions. I always thought I should, but I never did. I always thought I shouldn't. It usually comes from the head coach, whether you defer or you take the ball.

Now, the direction we kick in the second half, though, was a decision I was a part of. Well, you should be. Yeah. Well, Vinatieri kick in the second half, though, was a decision I was a part of. Well, you should be. Yeah. Well, Vinatieri was making the real decision. I was there trying to, you know, tell him, I think we should do this because, boy, the ball's flying that way. And I don't think our offense is going to figure it out. So maybe third quarter.

Do you want to send up to where you're kicking in the fourth quarter with the wind at your back? Well, Vinny would always obviously want the wind at his back in the fourth quarter because that makes sense if it was a close game and it's a long-range field goal. But for me, if we're down, fourth quarter, not punting a lot. So I don't really give a fuck. You know what I mean? So I was always politicking. Hey, can we get the wind maybe in the third quarter?

Because I got a lot of incentives here, Vinny. You've been in the league a long time. There's still a lot of them. Maybe we do that. And then the conversation was always like, probably going to be a close one, though. So might need that wind in the fourth quarter, maybe, so we could, yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah, got it.

Okay, yeah, I'll kick off into this Gale Force fucking wind right here. You got it. And then whenever we stumble out of half, which we always do, I'll punt into this tornado. So don't you worry about it, Vinny. I'll take care of it. Because at the end, we might have a chance. We might, well, I'll tell you what. If I hit a four-yard punt into this wind in So don't you worry about it, Vinny. I'll take care of it. Because at the end, we might have a chance. We might.

Well, I'll tell you what. If I hit a four-yard punt into this wind in the third quarter, probably going to fuck us a little bit in the fourth quarter. Something to think about. Hurt the chances a little bit. If I was your head coach, Pat, and I think I would have learned early on in my head coaching career, maybe I don't ask Pat where he wants to punt in the second half.

I would always give the full riot. You would probably take like two minutes of your head coach's time when he's trying to get the ball. Like he's trying to coach his professional sports team worth over a billion dollars. And he's just trying to hold on to his job. And the 200 support people around him, he's trying to keep their jobs safe. And he's got to listen to you in his face explaining like the wind how whirls in this facility i'll tell you what chuck i'll tell you what chuck i thought we wanted to go that way most of the first half but now that i'm out here

a little bit vinny you might be you you agree we should fucking go this way i think many of you know vinny says no well he obviously wants in the fourth quarter chuck but i to be honest i think either way is good and then chuck will go well which way you which way are you i'm like you tell me it's like we'll go that way not the way i would have picked but you got it and i jog away just such an i didn't even think about chuck has so much other shit going on jim caldwell's got so much other shit going on and there i am like well i mean yeah tomato tomato here honestly but the refs would ask me so like the refs would they go pat which way so it was i mean to be fair to me i mean i could have on multiple occasions made a decision strictly for me and i did not so stand up guy thank you yes

doesn't get talked about enough doesn Rust Belt, stand-up guy. The refs, though, coming out and asking me which direction because I'm the kickoff guy. So whenever we're warming up at halftime or whatever. And the other team would come out, too. The other kickers would be like, which way are you kicking? Okay, because, you know, they need to know which way to warm up as well. They would like to just know.

It's a little kosher to let them know. Boy, there was a couple times where I told the other team and the ref that i didn't know and they thought i was lying i was like i literally don't know i have no idea and then the rest would be like well are we picking the direction i was like no no no we'll pick it and then that was when i would have to have the four minute conversations with chuck and things of that nature i mean there's a lot that goes on people don't realize a lot that goes on so. So much that goes on. Are you pumped? Isn't the AFL coming back? June 11th, pal. Yeah! Let's go!

Here we go! The Collingwood Magpies taking on the Richmond Tigers. The only issue with this entire thing of me being a Collingwood Magpies diehard lifelong fan is that the only American that has ever had success in the AFL, Mason Cox, Mr. Coxzilla, who's 6'10", standing there on the right, he's out because he's injured. No. So I've been so pumped about this AFL return.

Shit. And so excited about everything that could happen on June 11th because of this one man named Coxzilla. And he's injured. He will get cleared. He's just not currently cleared. And I can't wait for that game to get started. We have Coxzilla joining us, I believe, Wednesday morning.

Here we go. Let's go. From Australia. Wait, where is he from originally? Texas. Played college basketball at Oklahoma State. He self-admittedly sucked at basketball. Then he grew up playing soccer.

He had a growth spurt. So he found out about aussie rules football he goes to la for a camp and then he gets sent over to australia he's been in the calling with team for like five years now or something of that nature and he's a stud like he's a good player we don't just have an american that's over there just kind of half-assing him he is a good player over there and he's the first real successful american in the afl's history and i was excited because they I think they put Collingwood versus Richmond strictly because of us being such a big Coxzilla fan as the first game and now Coxzilla's out so I'll still pull for the magpies but there's

a guy named Dustin Martin yep on the Richmond Tigers old dusty he's exactly like you middle finger towards the referees I mean he's a Rust Belt kind of guy over there in Australia. We're off for a good one, June 11th, 5.30 a.m., Fox Sports 1. There's your guy, AJ. Are you going to actually watch some golf now that it's coming back too? PGA, the Charles Schwab Challenge in Fort Worth, Texas, starts on June 11th as well. Sports are starting to pick back up here.

Let's get to it. A lot of gambling. I'll tell you who's going to win the Charles Schwab Challenge. It's going to be Phil Mickelson. Phil Mickelson's going to win the Charles Schwab Challenge. I don't know if Brooks Koepka, Brooks Koepka, probably a lot of people's thoughts. Maybe Dustin Johnson, a lot of people's thoughts. But after losing to Tiger and Peyton, I think Phil Mickelson and his big-ass calves are going to have a little something to prove.

That launches on June 11th. I'm pumped the PGA is back. Pumped the AFL is back. Pumped sports seem to be coming back, AJ. Yeah, I saw our guy, Jeff Passan, talking about Major League Baseball's newest proposal. What, how many? 78 games or something was the latest? That wasn't the official proposal.

It feels like— Was this from the league or from the union? That was from the official proposal. It feels like... Was this from the league or from the union? That was from the league. So Jet Passon is our inside guy for the MLB. I did text him to come on this show right now, by the way. I texted him at 1220 asking if he would join us because there's a lot to unfold. During our show this morning,

there was like seven different opinions being tossed out there by different insiders who were having their information shared to them by varying people. So first, Carl Ravitch came out and said, hey, the MLB is ready to propose a 75% prorated salaries, only 70 games or whatever it is. This is a step in the right direction was his wording, the way he released it. So we were like, okay, here we is a step in the right direction was his wording the way he released it so we're like okay here we go step in the right direction and then literally as soon as we got done celebrating that baseball is going to figure it out just like trevor bauer said bob nightingale comes from the usa network elbow drop off the top he's like players hate this they think

it actually is a step backwards in the entire process now jet passing's coming out saying how it's going to have to happen is they're going to have to meet in the middle a little bit it feels like the mlb and the mlbpa are still miles apart but boy there's a lot of noise surrounding it right now mr hawk hey what so this was it bob nightingale is was he from the USA Network or USA Today? USA Today. When I say USA Network, that's on me. Yeah, that's on me.

He's also a BBW. With what? He's a BBW. I love my girls. Explain what that is. He's a big baseball writer. Big baseball writer. He's part of the BBWA, right?

Yeah, Baseball Writers Association of America. So this guy knows his baseball, Mr. Nightingale. He's USA Today Network on the internet. But yeah, he was quite a negative Nance to everything we thought was happening to the MLB. It's going to happen though, right? It seems like they're going to make something work. I'm not sure. Jet Passon said that he feels as if what could be a possible outcome

and seeming more likelier is that the owners just say, hey, here's a 48-game schedule. You're either going to do it or you're not because this is going to save us $10 million of pop per team. We're going to lose so much money, but it won't be as much money. And basically saying you either do it or you get the hell out. And that's going to call for players like me to come scab that motherfucker scab yeah here we go all right now you're gonna get it now go ahead get it oh he's gone

excellent drag bunt thank you that's the thing about me going to the left side of the plate becoming a lefties my drag bunt game is going. That's the thing about me going to the left side of the plate. Becoming a lefty. My drag bunt game is going to be unstoppable. Wait until fucking Trevor Power Hour or his replacement, whoever it is, catches my drag. I mean, I'm going to. Like Ichiro.

Damn right. Ichiro. It does seem very plausible that if the union and the league can't work out a deal, like within the next, let's say, five days, that this doesn't happen, that they're going to be able to find a way to get enough scabs like you and possibly myself, maybe I'll play center. Oh, you're going to play?

To find a full league of scabs and get them all cleared, get everything good to go, especially with the COVID protocols. It seems like that is very plausible. That could happen in the next five to ten days. They can field a whole major league baseball, the whole league. They can fill all the rosters.

Me and the boys have been taking BP downtown. Every day. I mean, there's an entire crew of people down there taking BP. I mean. Downtown. You got a bunch of batting cages downtown? I don't need them whenever you're just hitting fucking dingers. Yeah.

See ya. You know what I mean? And they don't even have the little net in front of the pitchers because they know I ain't going there. I'm going way over their heads. Watch out, satellites. You know what I mean? Watch out. I hope it happens. You were

saying that there's no chance of this happening in the next five to ten days. I mean, there's just a lot of logistics, a lot of things to get figured out, a lot of people to contact and get them over there to try to steal the league. That's no fun. I thought I was on the Yankees already. I was ready to be – because I'm not going to play for the –

Is Russ going to play? Me and Russell Wilson will be on the New York Yankees wearing the pinstripes. The issue is many people think I may be playing for the bum-ass Pirates, but I ain't doing it. I'm not going to play for the Pittsburgh Pirates. I hope no scabs choose to play for the Pittsburgh Pirates, but I ain't doing it. I'm not going to play for the Pittsburgh Pirates. I hope no scabs choose to play for the Pittsburgh Pirates. I hope the only team that can't field a team is the Pittsburgh

Pirates. How do you turn on them? How do you turn on your hometown team? I've been had that. I've been had the turn on the Pittsburgh Pirates. They stink. They don't care to win. They spit in the faces of the entire city of Pittsburgh

and in Pittsburgh's incredible fanhood. Whenever they were good there, accidentally, they brought in McCutcheon. A couple other players got very good. They were like, oh, fuck. Pittsburgh packed out PNC Park. PNC Park, noted beautiful ballpark. Noted beautiful.

Everybody loves it. We used to go there just because it was a nice ballpark, but everybody expected to lose. So if they even won won it was like a celebration it was like here we go they finally get good at baseball playoff run places packed out yinzers are coming out from everywhere through the tunnels out of the hills yinzers are like bucko baseball's back and then what do they do too good get fucking rid of everybody. Can't spend this much money. Even though the city loves it and wants it to be better, we can't do it. That's when the full turn happened on the Pittsburgh Pirates. Because even though they stunk for 20 years and were trying to lose for 20 years,

it was like, okay, you got good accidentally. Now that this has kind of just fallen in your lap and we've been selling things out, let's go for it. And they just couldn't do it. So even when they accidentally succeed, they fuck it it. And they just couldn't do it. So even when they accidentally succeed, they fuck it up. And that's why I hate them. That's understandable. I grew up a Cincinnati Reds fan.

I haven't jumped off the bandwagon for the Reds. I mean, I wouldn't say I watch every game. But if they're good, if they become good again, I'll tune in a little bit. They got Trevor Bauer on that team. We didn't turn on the Pirates, AJ. They turned on us.

See that? That's the difference. So you're upset. You're not upset at the players. You're upset at the ownership and the people up top. Well, the players stink, too, I guess. And that's kind of the problem, you know, is, I mean, Jason Kendall used to have a pop time faster than anybody else in the MLB.

Now, I can't even tell you one. I can't even tell you one. Couldn't even tell you one player. Felipe Vasquez. Are you just reading the roster over there? Josh Bell. Oh, Josh Bell. Big bat.

Yeah. Good player. He's good. He's the first archer. Jason Kendall. Yeah. Bring him back. Kevin Newman. Bobby Bonilla. Barry him back. Kevin Newman.

Bobby Bonilla. Barry Bonds. See? That is so long ago. Jason Kendall was post-Barry Bonds. Still good. Barry Bonds and them were so long ago whenever they were good at baseball. Nate McClough.

I hate him. But MLB and MLBPA are miles apart from becoming on an agreement. I don't know if they're miles apart now. They are. They are. It's even worse. Whenever we thought it was getting better, the MLBPA came out and said, no, this is only worse.

It's like, I don't know what either of them want. I honestly have no idea. 25% prorated share like that. That's better than what the league's original offer, though, right? Well, the players said it was a step in the opposite direction. I don't know how or why, but this is what the players said. I don't think – I think the issue is the MLB will float proposals out into public that haven't been officially offered to the players.

So I think, like, there are some ideas that get sent out like oh what if we do this and they just see what the the fans think and then if it's a good reaction they're like all right bingo let's put this on a proposal send it over to the players players are now bad if they disagree with that because the fans liked it i think that not only happens in all sports collective bargaining but i think that's happening currently as well oh i mean i and i get it i understand it's hard to say oh how are you going to say you're making a prorated salary and you're only getting nine million dollars this year or whatever and people are saying like i get why you can't like you're not going to feel bad for those players but at the same time like the players know

what they're worth they know what their contract says they don't want it sure they understand what the times we're living in but they they still want a fair shake at this, and they feel like the owners are getting the better of them probably right now. Who knows? Greedy corporate fat cats. That's right. Ain't I right, Ty? Well, it seems too like the players – obviously the money is a big deal,

but they want to play as many games as possible, and the MLB is very content. Why is that? Is that for stats and for everything else i think so yeah i think game checks right and it just it impacts a lot of guys futures you know i mean if you're only playing 40 games like i said on the radio show you know if you're a starting pitcher you're only getting like four starts five starts in a normal year you're getting like 30 like that's greatly impacting the rest of your career and what if you start out slow or if you start out slow and you have two and two and three record or whatever you're completely screwed you

got no shot yeah and what if you're what if you're on a contract year too oh well free agency or something going on free agency too that's getting tossed around there but it feels like baseball is far apart man i don't know i i figured they got to find a way to make it happen. Golf is coming back. I know they announced now, too, that the Memorial Tournament here in Columbus is allowed to have some fans. I don't know how many there will be, but I guess there's four tournaments that happen in Ohio or courses that are having some kind of events, and they wrote letters to DeWine, the governor, and he okayed it.

Is it in Columbus? Yeah, Dublin, the Memorial Tournament. Now ited it. Is it in Columbus? Yeah, Dublin. The Memorial Tournament. Now it's two. It's back-to-back weeks. They took the John Deere that got canceled in two in a row. You've got to rent your house. Didn't you put that up on the market already on the show one time?

You said, hey, if anybody would like to rent it. We talked about it, of course. How much would that be to rent your house? Depends who wants to rent it. Can we rent it? What if it's me and the boys here? Oh, yeah. $28,000 a week. It's not bad.

It's not bad. You'll use every bedroom. There's going to be a lot of laundry we're going to have to do afterwards. Who knows the damage that you do? No. You have like 12 bedrooms, right? No. 18?

You guys can bunk up. You can share. We've got bunk beds in one room. You can share. Hold on. Hold on. I've got some negotiation here, though. can bunk up. You can share. We got bunk beds in one room. Hold on. I got some negotiation here, though. Love bunk beds.

The second tournament Sunday, the final Sunday, I would like until Tuesday to check out. Yeah, that happens. Is that a part of this? Those are the terms. Yeah, we'll see if the numbers add up. So $56,000 I went for 16 days. $56,000 I went 16 days.

You make it an even $80,000, you can have that Tuesday checkout. What the fuck? This is the MLB and the MLBPA. We've got to pay cash, too, and we're going to say this is all a joke. You're going to have to give me a duffel bag full of cash because I don't want to get taxed on it. This is the MLB and the MLBPA. Look, you're just moving the goalposts here you said it was 28 grand a week okay i just asked for two extra days out of

the goodness of your heart because we're probably gonna be hung over we've just done two weeks of golf okay we're gonna play golf too we're gonna golf now at this point we're tired we'd like to lay up for a day maybe and not be so focused on golf. We want that day plus the next day, 16 days. Your price, $28,000 a week, $56,000, 16 days. What's the continental breakfast like? Do we have breakfast? You have a chef there, right? Full-time chef?

Yeah, Uber Eats makes it out here, so you can order stuff every morning. What about Chef Hawk? Your account? I'm out of town. I would never rent it if I was going to be in town. What do you mean? You don't want to stay with us? That's weird.

We just learned a lot. You guys could come. I wouldn't let you come rent my house when I'm not here, but if you guys want to come bunk up with myself and my family, we'll let you do it. My wife will cook great breakfast. It'll be fun. Anytime?

You got to give me a couple days' notice. All right. I'll be there on Friday. End of the week. Can't wait to see it. Get a bunk ready. Go back for a second, Pat. You said you want a late checkout on Tuesday instead of Sunday.

And your reasoning is you're hungover, you've got all this stuff. We need a day to lay up and put our feet up, pal. Because a day that we're not so focused on golf. Because the previous 14 days you're so focused on golf because the previous 14 days, you're so focused on golf. You're just so worn out. You need an extra day. We're going to need to use the neighbor's pool. This is negotiation, pal. Okay? These are

the things that you don't think about because you're a greedy corporate fat cat that I'm trying to look out for me and my guys' best interest. This is negotiation. Sign the deal. You're a good boss. I agree. You're looking out for your guys. Like I said, 80K even in a duffel bag.

It's yours. A couple complimentary cigars for the boys, too. Take some of the humidor downstairs. No, not the one upstairs, though. I mean, what are we doing? Those are up here for me. Hey, we want fingerprint access into this little studio fucking area, too. There's a code for this one.

You can't get in here. Well, then we'll deduct six grand a week then because that's part of the house. So it's 22 grand all of a sudden. 44 grand we get till Tuesday. Look at this. Here we go. Perfect. This is negotiation, AJ.

You're getting 40 grand. Now you're getting 35 grand for 16 days of you just not having to use your house look at we're taking i have to pay to stay somewhere else like i don't want to just have another house for free i can stay in go to geordie's yeah go to geordie's make the 13 hour drive good idea then they're like oh hey geordy and his wife. Hey, you guys are back. What do we owe the pleasure to? Oh, no, no big deal. You know, we just wanted to come hang out for 16 days

because I let a group of dudes rent the house. Plenty of space on the farm? Plenty. Look at that. Yeah, why don't you guys go to Jordy's? There's not a golf tournament there. Yeah. Duh.

We're focused on golf. You guys are ultra focused on golf. Seriously. That's right. We would also like passes to the golf tournament. That's tough with the limited passes they're giving for this tournament. It's going to be a tough one. No, that comes with the house.

You're a Buckeye legend. Good luck getting them. Get some passes. The week one, the first tournament they're having too, the one that they added, there's no fans for that one. So no pass for that. Well, media. What about media?

Think of the PGA, Pat. Think what they did. The John Deere, whenever that was supposed to happen, that got canceled. I think it's Rocket Mortgage is the sponsor. The Memorial here at Muirfield said, hey, come join us. Now there's a lot of the tour pros are playing both events, so they're just

staying here for two weeks, so it makes it much safer. They're not flying, then flying out somewhere at home, then back, so they're all kind of staying here in two weeks, so it makes it much safer. They're not flying, then flying out somewhere at home, then back. They're all staying here in one spot. There's no reason for them to leave if you're playing both tournaments. It makes it safer, and you get two tournaments. That's what we're trying to do. You see?

As fans of the tournament? Yes. Journalists. That's what we're trying to do. Okay. What if Columbus gets the NHL as well it's possible which is possible

so Columbus Ohio could potentially have two golf tournaments back to back weeks big weeks which I think Tiger will be playing in he's not playing this weekend which is a bummer

an absolute devastating bummer why would he not golf after a heater of around with paid I mean come on tiger tiger can win every golf tournament he wants to win at this point with how he's playing he's choosing not to but Ohio Columbus Ohio we have two golf tournaments back-to-back do you call it a tournament or tournament tournament okay so still torn on this entire thing do you like it's an east coast thing i feel like

to say tournament i always said tournament growing up and then when i got out here i got bullied so bad for saying it i changed to tournament and it still sounds weird every time it comes out of my mouth but two tournaments back-to-back week in columbus ohio then potentially also being one of the hub cities for the nhl columbus ohio could be the epicenter of sports coming out of this quarantine that's got to feel pretty good knowing that we got a house out there yeah it's got it definitely drives the price up too for that house i'm glad you mentioned that to me so that it's going to go up i got to rethink my numbers no you're i was talking about us covering these things but if you would like to not be there

i mean that's okay with us during the two golf tournaments, I'm going to be gone. How about this? We'll buy you a couple books, too. So you can put more books on that bookshelf. So you can really be a more astute scholar. But even if I was in town, we wouldn't get to hang out because you're going to be so focused on golf. Like you said, we wouldn't even be able to have a conversation problem.

Hey, the gall on this guy. It's weird that none of those books have words. They're trying to gou so focused on golf. Like you said, we wouldn't even be able to have a conversation problem. The gall on this guy. It's weird that none of those books have words. To try and gouge us during a pandemic. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. First round draft pick, too. Fifth pick overall? Yeah. You're trying to get six people to move out of a house that we built.

A hundred million dollars guaranteed he got as he's coming out of college? Give or take. A lot of money. Here we are. And this is why it happens, because he's trying to gauge us on some more money for his house that he already has. Unbelievable.

Have we got our yacht set up for Super Bowl next year? Yacht Week has been a conversation that has been on hold, but we'll get right back into it. I did find a website. We did. We found an actual yacht in tampa yeah rents out we're actually looking into train week aj yeah dude wait for the super bowl no no no no lifestyle as a lifestyle we're gonna you're gonna live on a train luxury you? Well, you see, I don't know how much time we have. Where does this train take us? Everywhere.

Anywhere. Everywhere. Pick a place. Coast to coast, baby. Goes very slow. So Blackout Tuesday was a moment of inflection for everybody, you know? Kind of learn a little bit more. Maybe if you're ignorant to something, how do you kind of learn a little bit more maybe if you're ignorant

to something how do you learn about it a little bit more how can we help potentially and the idea we landed on was uh so there's only 80 train owners in the history of this country 80 so what we thought we could do is become the 81st train owners and through this process we learned that there's a guy named Patrick Henry who owns a lot of trains the Amtrak really has the entire business in a monopoly but what we thought we could do buy a couple of our own train cars okay everybody gets their own train car it's your room we'll buy a train car that is a studio and we'll go town to town and we'll introduce these tiny towns that have never met maybe somebody from somewhere else we'll do interviews we'll do town

halls and we'll live in this train for a couple months while we bounce around on the back of am amtrak trains which is the only way you can travel at this point because you can't just go your own destination because amtrak owns the tracks and the trains that you'll have to get pulled upon and this was a real idea that happened we had a sponsor already happened we already talked to Patrick Henry on numerous occasions we were gonna buy trains we are gonna set up the connecting America tour via the silver bullet train brought to you by Coors Light uh this was what we did on Blackout Tuesday, and we thought that was how we could connect America again

to learn about each other and go on the other side. Turns out the logistics of owning a train, quite a kick in the dick if you really look into it. Yeah, Patrick Henry has not gotten back to me, so he may have kicked the can last week, but I think there is a chance that he gives me his train. Very old community in the train community. If Patrick Henry did die,

we would then be the 80th train owner alive. Bingo. Which is something to think about. But yeah, we were, I mean, we're talking, this conversation started early in the day. Other conversations. I hate to cut you off, but I get, okay. Doesn't seem very efficient. Multiple months on a train a train you're not gonna make it first off we know that trains are big bro they

have this dome hey you haven't seen the luxury cars they have coach cars they have business cars they have dome cars oh get in the first off in your train in your personal room you're gonna need a box fan and a window to ventilate. We know that. I don't think that's, I don't think vitamins. The dome. Yeah, open the dome. The dome.

There's a dome top. Okay. Well, let me just throw this one out there then. Since it seems like it's difficult and you haven't really gotten through to the guy who's dead who owns all the trains. How about you rent a couple tour buses and you drive around and you can actually get to places. Can't walk on tour buses. a couple tour buses and you drive around and you can actually get to places can't walk on tour buses when tour buses are moving it actually stinks because when they're shut you have no room your legs are literally on top of each other look at the train car how much space it has while you're

traveling across these tiny little towns in america where you have to stop at 15 of them to get to one town that's probably two hours away. You have a chance to move and live. That's what I would like to do. I'd like to move and live. The buses, they just don't have enough room to do anything. You're stuck in the back, so you might as well just put yourself in a jail cell and move it down the road. Traffic. Don't have to deal with traffic on the train tracks. No traffic on the train tracks. No.

You also have only certain areas you. No traffic on the train track. No. You also have only certain areas you can get to that have train tracks. Good news. That's the only places we need to go. Only places we need to go. Have you studied anything on where these train tracks lead? Oh yeah.

From Indianapolis to Orlando, for instance. That's a short ride. Actually, 37 hour trip. Indianapolis to Orlando, for instance. That's a short ride. Yeah, 47. Well, actually, 37 hours. 37-hour trip. But think about what we could do in that 37 hours. That's 37 hours straight, though, right?

Yeah. Well, first you take a stop in Shelbyville, Indiana. Then you take a stop in Dublin, Ohio. Then you take a stop in Maryland. Then you take a stop in Virginia. Thenio then you take a stop in in maryland then you take a stop in virginia then north carolina then south carolina then georgia then top florida then i mean you really got to work that's the issue with the train not very efficient but in how you get the places you get there huh what is top florida northern jack. You get it. The top area. The northern part of Florida.

The top area of Florida. Panhandle. You get it. And then to work all the way down, you understand. Orlando, middle of the pack there. But you still have to work your way down there. And then if we want to get to Orlando to, let's say, maybe New Orleans or something. You're going up to Alabama.

You're going through Tennessee. You're coming back down. Maybe you're in the river there for the Mississippi River for a couple minutes. I mean, it is not as efficient as one would think on the train. That's an A to B operation. Literally, they go straight the fuck ahead. But to get to the places you need to get to, boy, you've got to go straight in one direction a lot of different times.

So it's not efficient. That's what we learned. Well, it's good. You guys are always spitballing ideas hey you got to go through a thousand bad ones to find the good one right well that's a great one too though that's a great idea we still not a single person in this office thinks it was a bad idea if it wasn't for the trains the way they are operated like if we could get our own tutu and just hire somebody to be our engineer and everything like that, and we didn't have to attach it to the back of other trains that are already moving,

if we could do that and also create our own tracks that just go straight to where we need to go, we'd be able to do this thing no problem. Relatively cheap, by the way, too. Oh, yeah, Amtrak. Owning trains, relatively cheap, but boy, Amtrak, they got you in. They got a monopoly going. Nothing you can do. They're trying to shut down

the private train travel. It's unbelievable. Trains are coming back. I hear they're making a big comeback. Choo-choo. We heard that too. We're going to be the leading. We're going to corner the market on private train travel.

You get it, AJ. You never know. It might happen. I don't like the cond it, AJ. You never know. It might happen. I don't like the condescending attitude. Not at all. This is hours of brainstorming. First off, my condescending attitude is not condescending. I just did it.

You know, you get to spitball ideas. I'm just trying to pick it apart a little bit to make it as good as it possibly can be. We already picked it apart enough. Get a big yacht and go from start up in New England and just trickle all the way down to the southern tip of Florida or bottom Florida, as you would call it, and then maybe just continue around.

Maybe go out in the Mediterranean somehow and just go around, and that's how you could spread the good word. But we're talking about the pieces of America who maybe have never met somebody who somebody not from their part of town middle of america so do the rivers do the rivers yeah yeah but there's so many dead bodies in those rivers there's three rivers take your choice what are you worried the dead body's gonna float up and hurt your prop and hit the prop and you're gonna be yeah dude i got a boat in pittsburgh anacondas i got a boat in pittsburgh one time that had a casino in it,

and they told us, by no accounts do not jump in the water. A body was dragged out of here the other day. There were rats the size of your head floating around the dock. Probably the drunks that bit a long time. I'd rather run into a dead body in a river than an alligator. That's very true. Well, you wanted us to go down to Florida anyways. You were looking for us to die.

No, on the yacht. You don't have to jump off. If I'm down in Florida, if there's a fear of sharks right there, I'm not jumping off the yacht. Listen, Yacht Week is happening at the Super Bowl. Train months seems like it's probably a long shot at this point. Months, plural.

Months, yeah, because you only can make it three stops if you don't spend at least a quarter of the year in there. I mean, it's a real problem. We had Ariel Helwani on the show earlier today talking about Conor McGregor's retirement. He said he hates that Conor and his team use the R word, retirement.

He said it's more so the fact that he doesn't appreciate the fact that they can't find him a fight Conor McGregor has offered up to fight I guess on numerous different occasions against numerous different people and the UFC said no no no so although the narrative might be and it seems like a lot of people think that's like oh Conor won't fight anybody Conor won't do this it's actually the complete opposite conor mcgregor and his team are at the point where they're like hey we're trying to do everything right here this guy who didn't have much money got dropped into this world where he has hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars he's made some bad decisions but he's in great shape now he's trying to give back to his community he's trying to be a fighter

and ufc won't give him a fight you pair that alongside jorge masvidal who has a problem with what's going on ufc right now and john jones it feels like the ufc might be in a little bit of a public problem here if they don't get a hold of this whole thing well yeah three of their biggest stars are having issues right now and it's with their contract and connor's a weird one because this is his third time retiring so it's obviously it's part of the negotiation situation with he and dana but if i'm dana white i would want connor to fight seven times a year like i'm giving him as many fights as possibly as you ever can because this guy draws bigger numbers than anyone ever has in the ufc so i think they'll find a way i think he fighting jorge masvidal would be awesome that should absolutely happen.

Maybe you could knock those two guys, keep them happy. If you schedule a fight between them two, John Jones, you just got to pay him more money if you want to get him back in the cage. Biggest draw in UFC history, Conor McGregor, they can't find him a fight. The biggest star in UFC history, they can't find him a fight. What's the holdup, though? They definitely can't. The money is a holdup on who's in.

I think it's the UFC's plan, right? And I might be wrong here. I'm only talking from what I read between the lines of what Ariel said to us earlier today. It feels like they want him to have certain fights, right? Like these two will fight each other. Winner fights Conor McGregor. Conor's like, no, let us fight.

And then the winner can take on that person as well. He wanted to fight three times this year so I think it's a conflict of strategy by the UFC in Connor's team where the UFC might not want him to lose by the way UFC might not want Connor to lose again I don't know if that's the case but Jorge masvidal has come out and said that Dana will not put me in the ring with Connor he knows that's a bad decision Jorge has said that right and then I don't know if that's Jorge trying to get that Conor Conor. He knows that's a bad decision. Jorge has said that, right? And then I don't know if that's Jorge trying to get that Conor McGregor fight or that's a real thing by people who understand fighting. Like, would Jorge just beat the shit out of Conor?

I have no idea. I don't know if fighting looked good enough. But that feels like a fight that I would buy if Jorge Masvidal, the baddest motherfucker champion, was taking on Mr. Two Belts, double champ. Oh, yeah. Conor McGregor. That's a fight I would buy, and I would assume that's a fight that— I don't know if Conor's people have said, let's do it, but I'm assuming Jorge's people have said it,

and I don't know why the UFC wouldn't want it to happen, aside from the fact that they maybe don't want Conor to lose. Other than that, I don't know why you would keep holding him back, especially if he's your biggest draw. Well, couldn't Dana just be waiting? Be like, hey, man, Conor, I get it. I need i need you to fight i want you to fight but i need fans there if you're gonna fight i don't want to waste you when i'm not gonna get this huge in-person draw all the gate like i know the gate is big for the ufc when especially when connor fights it's gonna sell out

instantly and connor versus masvidal would be unbelievable have you ever watched masvidal's backyard fighting videos back in the day when he used to fight with guys like Kimbo? Oh, yeah. Back in the day, watching Kimbo fight was one of the highlights of after school when you'd get on the internet, dial up internet, and you'd see that Kimbo had beat the shit out of somebody else. And then that backyard fighting league thing they had going on, Jorge's just a badass.

And I told Ben Askren, I told him he was going to lose by the way that he lost. I interviewed Ben Askren, I told him he was going to lose by the way that he lost. I interviewed Ben Askren and I told him, Ben, I don't know much about the sport, but if you're a wrestling guy, are you ever scared of a flying knee? My exact question, by the way, with the Ben Askren was that. And he said something along the lines of like,

yeah, that's always a fear or whatever. his next fight jorge masvidal runs a knee through his face and kills him in five seconds or whatever like that ben aspirin great interview good conversation i tried to tell him a little heads up just as an outside now granted i did guess the end of avengers infinity game and everything like that i mean so i have this you know i can kind of see things from an outside perspective and figure it out pretty quickly. But Jorge Masvidal is just a, he's awesome. Like I think they should be taking advantage of him a lot more. He talks good shit. I think he believes it. He gave an interview, I think it was Rich Eisen or somebody else where I think Conor McGregor was mentioned. And he talked about how when he's watching somebody fight, all he sees is numbers basically in holes and things of that

nature. Like listening to him talk about his strategy and his planning for fighting i like jorge masvidal a lot if jorge and conor mcgregor were to fight that would be awesome but you're right it probably is revolves around tickets and things of that nature even though i think ufc is better without fans as a tv spectator i think it's the sound effects. I like them a lot better. I like the TV quality of it. But if you're selling out 13,000, 14,000-seat arenas, I mean, that's a lot of money to miss out. And part of it was for Masvidal.

What Hawani said earlier was that Masvidal fights at 170 and Conor's best at 155. So they'd have to figure out a way to do that. It would have to be a catchweight. Okay? It would have to be a catchweight. I'll catch you in the middle there i believe and i believe connor said he wants to fight gaethje but gaethje

uh they want gaethje to fight khabib first and then connor to fight the winner of that blah blah blah well connor still needs his trilogy fight with nate diaz like we always thought that may be though his last fight before he truly retires. That's a huge money fight out there for him whenever he wants it. You see his shoulders. I'm rolling those shoulders. That post that Conor McGregor put out about

whenever he did that leprechaun thing before the Floyd Mayweather fight. He had that public workout and everybody was like, Floyd Mayweather's hitting the back and Conor McGregor's doing this. This is why Conor mcgregor's gonna get his ass kicked turned out the reason why conor mcgregor lost is because 15 rounds of something is a fucking long time and he lasted a lot longer than anybody thought but then he uh he commented about how there was a thousand memes or something about this fast forward now i'm a billionaire and these same shoulders knock the guy's eye socket in two pieces i can't i mean that's just you think i get aj you

and me tangle up and i get you with one of those what do you think that jaw's gonna do i mean i think you might you may catch me with one if we if we locked up and we were grappling you would definitely try to throw that shoulder at me i want to let you know that i use uh my front shoulder to deflect your jabs and such. Oh, you do? Yeah, I roll it. What about a left hook I'm throwing at you? How are you going to deflect that one?

Bingo. Don't worry about it. Locked. Okay. Let's go parry it. What about, you know what? I might try to attack the body if I'm fighting you. Oh, head body, head body, head body.

A lot of padding here, pal. A lot of padding. I'm not going after your legs. No leg kicks on you because you know you could absorb those all day. Yeah, well, my shin actually rather soft. I ran into something the other day. I learned how soft my shins are. A bunch of soft asses, these shins. It took me to my knees.

Took me to my knees. Shin off table. Down. Man down the whole time. Oh, done. The whole time. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Thought I broke it in two. Thought I broke it in two.

Just can't do it. AJ, I'm going to be 100% honest. I've had the runs for the last three days. It's kind of getting me right now. Is this like your summer diet? Well, I have been dieting. Thanks for mentioning that. I just learned that I eat an entire thing of pineapples on Friday. Pineapples, I guess, just make you shit your pants.

So good, though. So good. Delicious. So I've been eating so healthy. Fruits, veggies, and then I get, I think, a food bacteria in my stomach that just makes me shit. I mean, it's like the world is punishing me for actually eating healthy for the first time in my life. And none of it makes any sense to me. Well, if you're eating a bunch of fruit, I mean, that's like little kids.

You give a little kid some apple juice and it's not watered down. He's going to dump his pants for 12 hours. I followed up after my first round of dumpy McGrumperson morning with an entire thing of applesauce because I was told that the applesauce helps out the whole thing. Who let you? My fiance and I did some research on the internet. Bananas and applesauce is what I was told is supposed to help. And then I drank an entire thing of Pepto Bismol. Great taste, by yeah bubble gum oh yeah it's good do you like it though do you like do you do you feel lighter i woke up this morning with a four pack that boy you know what i mean show the people nah it's not there anymore i drank i've drank seven things

i'll take a picture the next time it happens is that a thing digs morning buddy yeah Show the people. No, it's not there anymore. I've drank seven things that are like the death. I've had some tea. I'll take a picture the next time it happens, though. Is that a thing, Diggs? Morning buddy? Yeah. Oh, your morning buddy's the best because gravity hasn't had a chance to say, fuck you yet. Yeah. You haven't put anything in there for eight, nine hours.

Yeah, gravity's pulling you. You're at your freshest. You're at your best. You look in the mirror in the morning. You're like, okay. Two different people. You're taller in the morning. Then you go to work, you come home

at night, it's like, is gravity that strong? Is my gut just getting sucked down the entire time? You probably have never had to deal with this because of your incredible fitness ability. I never really thought about that, like the morning body thing. I don't

wake up and look at myself, though, either. I'd judge myself. If I were you, I would, by the way. If I was A.J. Hawk, I would try to look at myself as much as possible. Just something to think about. Nah. Nah. Do you have mirrors in your house? Yeah, we got mirrors. I mean, I just keep it moving. Like, if you get up

and go whatever you're doing, I don't just stand there and pause and just stare at the mirror. See, I wake up every morning, look in the mirror, fat shame myself. It motivates myself for the day. See, I wake up every morning, look in the mirror, fat shame myself. It motivates myself for the day. See, I wake up every morning. Does it put you on a good path or does it put you in the dumps? Because some people can do that and already have a negative mindset because of it

and it really derails their whole day. Diggs has a negative mindset, I believe, if I had to guess. Just from knowing Diggs, I would assume that it doesn't send him on a good journey throughout his day. I would assume that he's got his best bod ever right now, right? The wedding body. He does look very good, especially in the mornings. He looks even better.

I mean, there's no reason for him to be as mean to get married digs. I think you should get married at 730 a.m. That'd be ideal. Honestly, that'd be ideal shirtless or with a Zeke. Cut your suit off into the Zeke deal. He's a bitch. Probably gonna do that. Well, I got the long murder. Oh, Pat. Good news. I know you have no idea. I got Probably going to do that. Oh, I got the lawnmower.

Oh, Pat, good news. I know you have no idea. I got an invitation to your wedding. Hey! Yay! Yeah! Yeah, you're getting married. Believe it or not, yours was on the top of the pile

because the A for A.J. Hawk. You guys do alphabetical from the first name, not the last name? By the way, although I did have a lot to do with it a lot to do with it obviously did you open that it's very beautiful invitation i doubt you've seen it but your invitation's legit like you can tell like this is a big money dude getting married i have seen it i have seen it thank you very much and i have said yeah that's great to everything that went out you got like the seal like the pope who used this ring to seal in the way it was very hard

to open it was very hard to open well you got to get your finger stamps from uh by the way that's the old school way all those stamps that's the old school so there's six stamps yeah there's there's a lot of things on there that you guys just i felt like a detective opening up a manila folder for an old cold case file going through everything there's a lot of things on there that you guys just don't even. I felt like a detective opening up a manila folder for an old cold case file going through everything. Yeah, there's a lot to do there. You obviously got to rehearsal the night before, the luau. I looked at mine. I really thought you, I was like, all right, Pat handpicked this part of the invitation.

Thank you, Foxy. This part of the invitation. I thought you did really good. Thank you, Foxy. I did do great. And there was maybe a part in there I did do that, but it was a lot of Sam's work. A lot of Sam's work. A lot of Sam's work. She, this whole wedding planning thing has been a nightmare for her, if I had to guess.

But it's going to work out just as good as the invitation. And you were invited. See? See? Yeah, take that. Thank you. I appreciate it. What was that?

Last week he was being dramatic about it? Yeah. You're being a bit dramatic last week. You might not look in the mirror in the morning, but if you were, you'd look at a dramatic man about wedding invitations in the morning. So am I supposed to send a gift if I don't come?

Bingo. That's the show. Need a gift. Need a gift. You said to cut it off because you're going to dump your pants. I do have to dump my pants. And also, I have you on record saying you'll give us a gift.

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Second-round draft pick for the New England Patriots. Then he came to the Colts. The dude played corner. He played safety. Every team meeting I was in, he was the smartest dude in there when it came to ball. And watching him grow off the field as a business entrepreneur and a media personality, everything DB host, ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler.

Yeah, Darius! Atta boy, D-Butt! Appreciate you having me again, Pat, man. Thanks coming on. Every time we talk, I enjoy the hell out of it. Right now, the world is in an interesting place, and you were one of the leaders on the Indianapolis Colts whenever it came to the discussion about these things. I mean, I learned a lot from you.

I learned a lot from a lot of other guys in the locker room. And that was my entire take yesterday about Drew Brees is it was like, hey, when the kneeling thing happened and the world was getting split up about it and there was a lot of drama being targeted into the NFL locker rooms, the conversations that were happening in there were so deep.

They're eye-opening. They were insightful. I think a lot of guys who are maybe upset about the potential protest being against the military in America, they're hearing stories and they're like, oh, damn, okay, we're with you. And it was interesting listening to you speak because your dad, very accomplished member of the military. So, I mean, this is something that hits home with you pretty strong. What are your thoughts right now on how the Saints are going to have to educate Drew, hopefully re-educate him or learn him up or come together as a team?

What do you think about how the NFL is right now, especially with Drew Brees potentially being the face of what needs to be learned in America a little bit more? Yeah, that was, I mean, it caught me, it caught me. I wouldn't say it necessarily caught me off guard. The only thing that caught me off guard about Drew Brees' comments was just him saying it in this climate. Because if you go back to, you know, 2016, 17, you know, that was pretty much a lot of people said similar things.

It's just a different climate. Like, I think everybody's eyes are open a little more this time around. So it surprised me him, you know, as aware as he is on the field for him to kind of lack that awareness you know when this question was tossed on so on but I think it was important that it happened and more people have more uncomfortable conversations and I just think when the narrative is shift it's uh it it takes away you know it takes away from what people are really talking about what people are really protesting I feel like drew and others should and do understand that. And I, and it's

hard for me to give them a pass, honestly, because, um, you know, like I said, we had those tough conversations. We were in those locker rooms together. And I remember specifically, we actually in 2017, um, after we kneeled, uh, we had a conversation amongst the leadership, uh, committee, coaches, front office, etc. And just kind of talking back and forth. And I remember after and we kind of put some initiatives in place, which was basically kind of, you know, OK, we're going to do this. But you guys are going to stop kneeling. Right. That was kind of the compromise. And I remember leaving that meeting and Adam Vinatieri, he called me and, uh and you know adam venetieri you know obviously in

his 40s a white guy white male in america obviously privileged you know and he's you know america you know everything that america stands for like he called me he's like hey man i don't want you to feel like you know you're selling yourself out you're selling um your people out or anything like that i want you to do what you feel is right. I support you all the way. It's not like I can look at Drew or anybody in that position and be like, he doesn't understand. If Trevor Lawrence gets it, if Joe Burrow gets it,

if Carson Wentz gets it, I can't give Drew Brees that pass. Vinatieri's brother, a member of the Special Forces, I believe, in the military as well, from South Dakota. I'm not sure what the African-American population percentage is in South Dakota. It can't be that much higher than North Dakota. But I do believe that's why the locker room is such a sacred place though, because you have people from all over coming together and learning about each other and learning stories and things

of that nature. And I think, I think whenever the word white privilege is stated right I think there's always been the spin it's like hey white privilege means you come from a lot of money white privilege means and it's not necessarily that's what that means right because I didn't come from a lot of money I did not come from a lot of money I had to work my ass off to get where I'm at but there was other aspects of life that I never had to experience Alvin Kamara released a tweet last night about things that have happened to him because of how he looks in banks and other things of that nature and how he's accomplished and I think that is

almost the thing that I learned most about in that locker room during the kneeling protest it was like yeah police injustice is obviously a problem I mean that is something that if somebody's going to abuse their their power that is going to be a problem especially whenever it seems to be preying on neighborhoods of keller more often than not but also talking about the day-to-day and i think that's the things that may be a large majority of the white population who's maybe never encountered or uh interacted with somebody from a neighborhood that is vastly different than their own doesn't really understand i asked you i asked you last night i was like hey this alvin kamara situation would you mind telling uh one or two of those types of things that white people might never think about like hey might never even

think about like how the world is a much different one if you are darker complected yeah i mean it is it's just a different it's a different um it's literally it's two americas honestly and uh it's really as simple as that and uh you know if we're being honest you know when this country was built it was really built uh it was really built for white people you know there were certain laws and certain things that were said and and in documents but you know at the time they were put out you know we had slaves at times so you know liberty and freedom and you know all that stuff um didn't apply to everyone and um even though the things in the letter of the law has changed um how it's enforced a lot of it is still the same and when you told me when you showed me the uh kamara and I'm like, Oh, man, like, I got, you know, tons of

stories like that. And it's not like, um, I think I heard Joe stays in something like that say something. He has some comments that really pissed me off just saying, you know, keep yourself out of situations where police are called, etc, etc. But is literally like I've been like, so my earlier my career, I was living in a spot in our ball Harbor, which is a super nice area of, um, of, uh, Miami. And, um, you know, that's where I was staying off season and I will go out to my workout like seven in the morning and me and my, me and my boy, uh,

we leaving seven in the morning coming out of complex, like a little boutique condo and it's probably like eight units. So we're coming out, you know, certain places where it's just like in your neighborhood you just know it's certain stop signs that you just kind of breeze through because you know nobody's going to be moving at that time anymore so kind of and i mean like two three cars come a car and a motorcycle come out hey this that and the third take me out of my car ask me can i can they search the car i tell him no he throws his canine in the car. I'm giving him kind of back and forth.

Then I tell him, you know, he kind of finds out who we are. We're both NFL players. My dad works in law enforcement in the next county over, and it was a completely different tone. It was a completely different interaction. And there's tons of those. I've been pulled over for, I mean, exchanging my child. I met, you know, my daughter's mother one time, and we had a meeting place, basically.

And I was basically there 20 minutes before her. So I'm sitting there waiting, exchanging my kid. I pull off, go one way, she goes the other way. We both get pulled over. It's taken out of the car. They try to tell me to sit on the ground. It's just so many instances. And then, you know, as an adult, as a as a grown man as a professional like you're interacting i've been

with white i've been with white guys we you know been the car they get pulled over and it's a complete different interaction like yo what like what the hell you pulling me over for man i'm over here i'm doing thought on this feeling really like i pay taxes i pay him get out of my face it's like whoa like you can talk to me. You are being awfully aggressive. Relax. Put your hands up. Relax. Lower your toilet. And it's like and it's a privilege to not even have to because I've had to have tough conversations with my children. Like, hey, this is you know, this is things you have to do. This this is why things happen.

This is why the condition that, you know, we're in as a community. And, you know, if I'm a white guy, I don't even have to have this this is why things happen this is why the condition that you know we're in as a community and you know if i'm a white guy i don't even have to have those conversations you know it's a privilege to just say hey you know i'm not even gonna put this on let's you know throw this on let's not even be aware of what's going on in the world but uh you know my my kids are are well aware of what's going on in the world and that that itself is is a privilege darris we got to get to a break for radio will you hold on like four seconds for you we'll continue on youtube in like five seconds all right for sure uh let's just wait it out you're listening to the pat mcguffin show friday june 5th june 5th hey it's flying right now there's well we're only at halftime all right here we go we're back um so those types of conversations that you're having with your by the way beautiful children how many you have four i think four five girls five girls i'm sorry five girls yeah he's got a whole lineup but he's got a whole basketball lineup down there

dad of the year two all off season it's a it was awesome to follow you every single off season with your kids but when you have those conversations you just have to tell them like hey sometimes or not all the time you have to be careful of how you could potentially because this is something i was told by a teammate of mine i forget who it was it might have been eric walden it might have been ewald to be honest with you and ewald was we're just having a conversation i think and i don't know what state of mind we're in but we're having a conversation and uh he was like you don't even have to worry about potentially being intimidating to somebody walking down the street he was like just like if you and me were to walk down the street right now i'd walk behind you you walk behind me there would be people who just

inherently would look at me and automatically get defensive just strictly by how i look he's a guy who had dreads he was tall and things of that nature. Big tattoos. Yes, and I think that was something I didn't really realize either. It was like every single day, literally, if you're trying to make your life better than it's ever been, which is supposed to be the American dream you're trying to make it, a lot of the times when you end up in spots where you have to get to to keep going,

you're going to get your every single day is just going to be much different than anybody could ever imagine. I mean i had an example yesterday um so i'm in uh i'm in canton georgia right now which is kind of on the out like a suburb outside of atlanta my brother just bought a home and i'm in his neighborhood and we were driving around last night it was probably about nine ten at night and um we we were he was like hey let me show you this house because i'm looking at his backyard and his it's a little different than another one in the neighborhood he's like oh remember we're talking about earlier i'm going to show you this house it's almost done like let's go check out the backyard so you know kind of you

know obviously what on the hills of what happened to my arbory and i don't even know how far we're away from that but the even the roads look similar he He pulls over. He's like, hey, let's go. You know, I'm like, hell no, I'm straight, bro. Like we could take this out tomorrow when it's when it's light out and it's like I'm cool, bro. Like just because, you know, neighbors look out the window and see three black guys getting out of a truck. Like you like those those those whatever inherent fears you may they may, that you walk around with that. And it's kind of, it's heaven. That's what you experience. You know, if you, growing up in a black community is one thing because everybody looks the same.

You know, your interactions with white people, honestly, are only really in schools, police, or other instances. And then so when I was growing up, we didn't have, I think what'll help now is with the youth and as the younger we get, we see each other more. So we see each other just living, just being normal humans every day. Like you said, you see me and my kids, you see those interactions.

So now you don't just have to depend on other people telling you what black people are, what white people are, what Mexicans are, what Asians are like. You see them like I know these people. And then we have the extra advantage of being in a locker room so we can really have conversations, really know the ins and outs of people. So I think that helps. And that'll kind of cut that divide. But it is really, it's really different. And like you said, as you go up and you start living the American dream and you go to nice neighborhoods. My children have been in predominantly white schools. They went to school in Indiana.

They went to school in Florida. In both neighborhoods, they were probably less than a handful of black kids in their class. So even certain ways they would do their hair that would get picked on. Have you seen, I don't know if you remember that kid who was wrestling one time and he was in the tournament and like before a match he had to cut his dreads oh yeah you were in a match like yeah those things don't really you know just just living in that and it's just um i mean it's tough but i think i definitely think we're getting better and uh it's obviously super super super unfortunate george

floyd um lost his life but a young lady that it, I'm glad she was there to record it. And I think it's really going to spark some change in this country and this world. It was eye-opening, I think, to a lot of people that were deciding to not look at things that were being shown to them before. Honestly. I think it's because of the quarantine. I think it's because we all have been through so much shit, basically. I think it's because we all have been through so much shit, basically. I think for the first time in a long time, a lot of people were experiencing life in a much different fashion than they had before because they were being told to stay confined in their homes.

And I think it kind of, I don't want to say it maybe grew a little empathy for other humans, but I feel like there was a little bit. And then when the George Floyd video came out of him being murdered, it was like the first time in a long time. I feel like, damn, there's a real momentum swing behind it. And I hope we just can continue to ride that damn thing, Darius. Yeah. Hey, man, I'm with you, man. And we've had, I've had more conversations this week or, you know, this last week and a half with people on black and non-blacks about, you know, where we're going and what's happening and what, you know, the type of of things that need to change i think it starts with the conversation and it's followed by actions even with the you know the large um uh companies and you know people in in positions of power you using your your platform i told you i reached out to you earlier like hey man thank you man i appreciate you using your platform for what you're doing and others man so it's amazing

and hopefully we just really start having that conversation and really come together. And eventually, hopefully, it's my kids. It won't happen overnight, but my kids or their kids, you know, eventually we're all living in the same America. It's going to take time. I think this is something that's going to take time because it's going to be hard to change people that are 100% set in their ways. But I think people that were just like kind of set in their ways are starting to become a little bit more awake to things and i think once that it's going to take a little bit i i i don't think oh for sure i don't think anybody's thinking that this could potentially happen overnight but i do believe that there's a wave of like

going forward we're going to be in a good spot do you know and i asked you this last night and you said you you try not to dive into the laws and politics of things or anything of that nature i've seen this this 50a repeal which is a law i guess that hides cops um like police in just like it hides their record from the public so no other cops know that like for instance dave chauvin had 18 police misconduct charges before he murdered george floyd but i guess there's a a law instituted that basically covers that up so nobody can know had 18 police misconduct charges before he murdered George Floyd. But I guess there's a law instituted that basically covers that up so nobody can know that he had 17 or 18 things of that nature.

And then there's some other stuff. Is there anything you know of that people that are maybe just coming awake to this entire thing, what they can make noise about or what they can raise a little bit of hell about to try to change so we can really try to expedite this whole process of maybe making not tearing down a community by the way it's about building up another one and i think that is the biggest thing is there anything you know of that people can potentially try to make a noise about yeah well you know first and foremost um you know it's not an attack on the police force or the police you know we all know great policemen i

know a ton of them i have law enforcement in my family and i know if shit breaks loose i nine one one's you know one of the first numbers i'm calling so it's not like all police are bad but um when you when you get a situation where you have police policing the police it's an issue it would be like in football if i say hey uh chuck pogano do you think that was a pass interference on your guy or nah he's like uh nah probably not so that's probably that's like the situation that we're in when these when these cases come across you know the the unions it's it's really really really hard to get fired or reprimanded as a police officer because of the strength of these unions the fraternal order of polices like that that that i think it needs to be some independent uh people that come

in and kind of take over these cases and say okay this get all the evidence say this is what happens because the way it is now it's not going to change now if a guy starts getting 20 25 years or start getting the same sentences that a civilian would get like Like if that was George Floyd's knee on Chauvin's neck, like Floyd would have been arrested immediately. He would have been, you know, having the charges. I mean, like it would have been no, no protests would have had the country or the world wouldn't have to be protesting rights for all these four officers to be charged.

Like it would have just happened. So I think it should be, you know, similar when it comes to police. And trust me, they have tough jobs, tough-ass jobs. So I think most people are aware of that. But at the same time, you guys are trained, and that's the job you sign up for. So I think you have to attack that job with some responsibility. I appreciate you so much, man.

I always enjoy a conversation with you. Now, granted, you had slightly worse hands than I did, but you are an incredible football player. It's debatable. It's debatable. It's not debatable. These hands, man. You were up there, though. You were top five. I give you top five.

That means you were six. That's a shame you were not top five. It's a shame. I get it. You had the best hands for a white guy on our team. Thank you. Big nipsey. We had T.Y. Hilton. Oh, no. We had Jack Doyle, too. Sorry. You're number two.

Damn it. I still think I got Jack and you and T.Y. can get it, too. I'll tell you what. I only had glove on one hand. If I had gloves on both, I'm not 100% sure what I would have been able to do. That's a fact. Got to get all the facts.

See, the issue is I didn't move much when I had to catch a ball. So I think I didn't get a chance to really showcase, you know, moving and catching because I'm sure I wouldn't have been absolutely terrible at that. I'm sure. Speaking of moving, I still think about that pass you threw at Dewey. Dewey McDonald with Dallas. That just pissed me off. I don't know why I just thought about that.

Well, you guys had to go on the field on your own 18. Yeah, I ended up getting blown out. That's probably why. Ladies and gentlemen. Hey, great talk today. I appreciate the hell out of you. People are going to learn some stuff from this. Thanks for me bro no problem don't be hey not yet but hopefully like in a couple months from now you'll be able to run through your brother's neighborhood there not even

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Let's get back to the show. Joining us now is a two-time, two-time Super Bowl champion, ladies and gentlemen, Ike Taylor. Where the hell are you, Ike? Are you in the woods? Listen, listen here. I'm in my gear box oh my god what is going on okay hey hey give me give me one second i gotta hit that bell hold on p mac

you got it let me hit that bell for him hey you do what you have to do you gotta do what you gotta do so he is running a fitness workout out of the... Did he say G-Rodge? Yep. G-Roller, T-Mac. G-Roller. What do you got, an Orange Theory operation going on out of your G-Rodge over there, right? Man, I got this quarantine workout going on.

They called me Neighborhood Icarus. Real. How long are the rounds? What are you going to have to go back and reset that bell for them? Man, you don't need to know, man. Shout out to, well, I'm sorry, RIP George Floyd, man. We're doing eight minutes and 46 seconds. Oh, okay.

Okay, let's talk about this. Roger Goodell, did you ever expect to hear the nfl come out with the statement that they came out on friday admitting that they were wrong with the way this whole thing was handled years ago and everything of that nature did you ever expect that from roger goodell i did i was very surprised by it no i wasn't surprised oh i mean that's what that's what expected you You know what I'm saying? It's just, you got to get to this point and you knew it never was about the flag at the time. And now you're trying to apologize. Like Colin Kaepernick, he was trying to say the whole time, like, man, this ain't about the flag. You know, I ain't never trying to disrespect the flag.

I'm just trying to bring some awareness to police brutality against blacks and minorities. That's all I'm trying to do. And I'm not saying they took it for granted, but every time somebody want to talk about B, we always find a way to talk about A and C because it's an uncomfortable situation for everybody. But now this is a situation we got to talk about, and we're talking about that right now. I would say this, Ike, and I might be wrong for saying this. I think I think Roger Goodell admitting He was wrong is Potentially gonna give a lot of other people who feel the same exact way the Roger Goodell felt before

Gives them is something to be like, you know what? Maybe I was wrong as well now I think is the time to educate right like I think we're on the the almost the the blip I don't know if it's blip. No, whatever. You're the break Hey, let's go Don't you hey get your lazy ass is going in there Sorry, I love it. I need all that. Wish it was here. I'm happy. I'm not by the way. It looks like it is a dreaded workout, but I think we, by the way. It looks like it is a dreaded workout.

But I think we're on the brink of those conversations really resonating. And I think the fact that Goodell and the NFL said, hey, I was wrong before. Now, granted, they are late, obviously. And a lot of Drew Brees, obviously, was another person who was in those conversations in the locker room and still said, whoa, the military and all that stuff. And then he obviously, a lot of things happened to him. I think we're at the point, though, where even if these people are late to the party, I think it's a good thing. Like, let's keep it going.

You know what I mean? I feel like we're on that brink of like, hey, let's go. Let's get this thing going. And I think people have been wrong for a long time. We need to get them right. Do you not think that is accurate? No, I agree. I agree with you 100%.

It's just, you know know it's after the fact like you knew the whole time and we knew the whole time it was never about disrespecting the flag we all knew that but it's just man it was scary and it was a touchy subject and like i said before man usually when it's a touchy subject or uncomfortable conversation man people don't really want to talk about it now what i do like about rogerell, that he did apologize. So I'm going to accept that. And I'm sure the players are going to accept that as well. That's the first step of getting to where we need to get is having an apology. And you had an apology by the head, man.

So you're right. We are moving in the right direction. But I love these young millennials. You know, these young millennials nowadays, P-Mac, they're fearless. Hey, savages, dude. They're tired. They're tired of the the talking they want to see action done you know what i'm liking is man all creeds and colors are coming together even though this is about black lives you know you see a lot of caucasians and just people from different ethnics they're starting to educate themselves about black history and what we had

to go through so like i said man i think think once the NFL is moving in the right direction, but at the same time, I feel like these young millennials, man, they educate themselves way to a higher standard. I think the younger generations just know so much more about everything. And a lot of people try to pass it off as being, oh, you're woke, you're woke. It's like, no, I've just had the opportunity to have something in my pocket, okay, that has the ability to search the answers to literally everything on earth. I think that is just such a powerful weapon that people don't understand is the power of information and education and knowledge is something that can really, you know, turn a corner on some things.

And I think that is what's happening in our world right now. It's beautiful. It is actually beautiful to see everybody potentially coming together for the right thing to lift up a community. I honestly, I, last week was uncomfortable, I think, for everybody. But for any change, it has to be uncomfortable. And I think now we're potentially getting to the point where we're going to see, hopefully, the benefits of the uncomfortable.

Hopefully, we'll be able to see a little bit better more together community well we criticize this millennial this young generation for on being on their phones too much not having enough outdoor activity that's what they're learning all this new information from you know they dropping the books they're picking up youtubes they they dropping the books they're picking up iClouds read clouds so this young generation it's it's a gift if it's a gift and a curse in the old generation like you're in our eyes it's like man we grew up we had to stay outside mom ain't tell us to come back in till the lights came on in the street but they're learning so much more information being on their phones and getting well educated they're soaking everything up like a sponge it's a beautiful time it's a beautiful time to be alive i think it's been uncomfortable 2020 has been a year that a lot of people have dreaded but i think

on the other side of it's going to be a beautiful thing let's talk about the other side of it a little bit if we do come together and hopefully good things happen we looked up it said you ran a 418 40 what does that even mean no what does that even is that a rolling start how does that even it's it's 427 427 was my fastest 40 418 is inaccurate 427 was but it was a it was a hand clock so you never know who actually clocked that when i ran it but it was a 427 for me you know some people were saying that but man it was 427 I ain't gonna go to 418. A 427 is moving Ike. Look P-Mac I'm still moving baby. P-Note man that's the reason why they call me P-Note cab red zip it down man. I'm just like Is that what they're looking for in your gear Raj a little fountain of youth over there so what you got going on

That's what that's what you know what? You right, and I'm that's what I'm a name the founder of you, but for now we're gonna call it the gear Raj Not the garage What are the workouts you got over there? Is it body plank? Because I see you and James Harrison were going back and forth with workout videos. All right. I'm going to show you.

Come on, ladies. Get to work. It's a lot of body weight. Don't look back. Come on. Get to work. It's a lot of body weight. Don't look back. Come on. Get to work. It's a lot of body weight I got going on, man.

That's what Troy Polamalu. Didn't Troy Polamalu do a lot of body weight? Didn't he have some very weird style of working out that everybody judged him for, but he was an absolute monster? Matter of fact, man, I had an hour. I had like an hour, close to a two-hour conversation with TP about what's going on in this world today. And both of us kind of walked out with tears. You know, talking about what's going on. You know what I'm saying? Because you know, Troy's

perspective is one of a kind. I wish you would get him on. It's one of a kind. So just hearing his thoughts. Now, I don't want to share his thoughts. I'd rather him come on your show or come on mine for him to share his thoughts.

But TP perspective, you think it's right. It's all the way love, but it makes a lot of sense. And what I didn't know, and I found out yesterday, that Troy, he's a historian. So he went to college for history. This is what he do. So he's breaking everything down to the TP Mac. And I'm like, bro, I've been knowing you for damn near 20 years. And you ain't even tell me your major was a history major.

He was like, well, you ain't never asked. I'm like, man, screw you. Did you ask him about why he did what he did to me like just to get a final closure answer did that come up in the car i mean very serious conversation obviously but he said he ain't mean to he's sorry okay hey that's what gidel said too let's hope that they're both being accurate in that uh i i appreciate you so much for taking time with us today, man. I love talking to you. Man, I love talking to you, bro. Pleasure being on your show, fellas. Y'all have a good one. Hold on. Diggs has

one before you get back to that workout. Ike, I had a question because this is also a rumor, too, like your 418. Did you, did the coach see you playing flag football and then recruited you to the football team? Is that how you started playing football? Yes. Yes, you're absolutely right.

I was playing intramural football, flag football, and we was one win away from going to Hawaii for the national championship. Everybody just kept coming to our games, intramural games. The whole college just kept coming to our games. It was the 504 boys. The whole college was like one game. They were like, man, y'all got to go check these dudes out. Then the next game, you have like 1,000 people.

Then the next game, it was like 2,000. Like, dang, we get more attention than the regular football team. For real. So it was just – it was a good vibe, though. It was a good vibe. And then I wound up just walking on my junior year. So I walked on my junior year, played a running back my junior year my junior coach gave me coach baldwin he gave me a scholarship my senior year that's when i transferred over the cornerback and i took off ever since why'd you go to corner

man coach garrett bartell man garrett garrett bartell he's from the deep deep deep deep deep south of texas you know he was like say I he said look I know you want to play running back I but I'll guarantee you if you move on side over with Charles peanut Tillman you might give yourself a chance in the shot you're big you're fast you're strong you got the ability you can move laterally I'm telling you don't mind me I'm telling you I and you don't mind I'm telling you, Ike, you call me Ike Not Ike, but Ike If you just transfer over You gonna give yourself a chance

Watch what I'm telling you Garlie, don't get on my camera That's exactly what I did Hey, well that southern gentleman was 100% accurate You go on to win two Super Bowls Run a 4-2-7, ladies and gentlemen Friend of the show, in the 4-2-7. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show,

in the G-Rodge, Ike Taylor. Back to work, ladies. Back to work, ladies. I'm about to put that work on them. Yeah. Hey, they got comfortable. Coach wasn't around.

They got comfortable. Got to get it back in there. They got too comfortable. P-Mac, I appreciate you. Thanks for me inviting you to your show. Y'all boys have a good day. Hey, thank you. I can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. I know you have options upon options upon options of things that can penetrate your ear holes. And the fact that you listen to this show, we are eternally grateful for.

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