The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 213 - Dwight Freeney, Dr. Myron Rolle, Jeff Passan, & Legend, AJ Hawk Stop By For A Feel Good Friday. Let's Go.

Episode Date: June 12, 2020

On today's show, Pat is joined by former Tennessee Titan safety, Rhodes Scholar, and current neurosurgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Dr. Myron Rolle. Pat and Dr. Rolle chat about what things are currently like with the coronavirus and if we are in a better position now then we were when Pat and Dr. Rolle first spoke to one another a couple of months ago. Dr. Rolle also gives his take on what needs to be done to keep us moving in the right direction, if the coronavirus is something we're always going to need to be worried about like the flu, and some of the conflicting information that is out there currently about Covid19 (:49-15:19). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat has some big breaking NFL news for AJ, they chat about what it's like getting ready to play in the Hall of Fame game, they cover the start of the AFL season in Australia, chat about the PGA Tour's Charles Schwab Challenge, AJ's excellent gift giving abilities, and everything else going on in the sports world (17:45-1:37:19). Later, Super Bowl Champion, 7x Pro Bowler, 4x All-Pro, member of the 2000's All-Decade Team, member of the Indianapolis Colts Ring of Honor, and Pat's former teammate, Dwight Freeney joins the program. Pat and Dwight discuss his relationship with Michael Jordan and the Jordan brand, what he thought of The Last Dance, his relationship with Michael and how they golf 3-4 times a week together, his thoughts on the Jadeveon Clowney situation and why he thinks going to Cleveland would be a dream given Dwight's success alongside Robert Mathis in Indy, and his thoughts on the Jordan brand donating $100 million over the next 10 years for racial equality, social justice, and access to education (1:40:09-1:55:41). To close out the show, ESPN Baseball Insider and friend of the program, Jeff Passan joins Pat and the boys to give an update on what is going on with the MLB. Pat and Jeff discuss the likelihood that a season gets played, what's holding everything up, why the players couldn't strike even if they wanted to, where he thinks this thing might end up, what ramifications it could have for the future of baseball, and tells a few stories about being a massive WWF fan when he was growing up (1:55:43-2:17:09). Don't forget to send in a picture of where you're listening to the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch. Have an incredible weekend. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Friday, June 12th, 2020. We got a great show for you. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. I know there's a lot of other options of things that can penetrate your ear holes, and the fact that you allow us to come right inside of there, we can't thank you enough. Good conversations today, a little feel-good Friday,

hopefully leading into a weekend, where either America will become a better place, keep going that way, and hopefully the regular world will get back into how we're operating too sports are back shout out to the afl talk about that a little bit and good conversation if you like the show please tell a friend if you don't just act like it never fucking happened hashtag this where i'm at pat take a picture where you're listening share it with me on the twitter and you'll be a part of something special that we're putting together. Let's get to this conversation, shall we?

Joining us now is a doctor, a man who has a Rhodes Scholar to his name, was an NFL player, was amazing in college football as well. Somehow found enough time to also become a neurosurgeon. Ladies and gentlemen, Myron Roll. Yeah, Myron! Doc. What's going on, boss? I didn't say Dr. Myron Roll. That's, you earned the title doctor. Like, I should have 100% called you Dr. Myron Roll there.

I just said Myron Roll, so I take that back. Ladies and gentlemen you Dr. Myron Roll there. I just said Myron Roll. So I take that back. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Myron Roll. Attaboy, Dr. Myron. Attaboy, Doc. Okay, Doc. I just got sent this information to me just moments ago. And I wanted to talk about this because this is an amazing thing. Myron's experiences as a neurosurgeon medical service provider treating coronavirus patients at Massachusetts General Hospital

has led him to believe the conclusion that more is required to combat covet 19 specifically availability of personal protection equipment through the myron role found myron l role foundation dr roll is attempting to reduce the ppe challenges he will provide listen to what this doctor is going to do he will provide 1500 face masks to two organizations that endeavor to altruistically provide for all communities. The organizations receiving these are the Appalachee Center in Tallahassee, Florida, while Florida State University, Myron, has seen the outreach programs at Appalachee Center,

where those in need in the local Tallahassee community receive much needed care, and the Boys and Girls Club in Boston, Massachusetts. Good on you, Doc. Wow. Good on you, Doc. What has it been like to battle against this thing we talked to you at the very beginning of this thing and now we're a couple months later what has life been like up there in massachusetts yeah it's um thank you for having me again pat i appreciate it it's

uh it's been it's been um better i would say uh i would say our hospital is normalizing again we've opened up our operating rooms to allow surgeries to happen again. I just did three brain surgeries yesterday, four the day before that. So we're starting to increase the volume of patients again. Me too. No doubt. Our ICUs are sort of turning back into what they typically treat patients for, less COVID patients. I think we had maybe 27 COVID patients and about 70 at risk. So we're allowing patients,

families that come into hospital more now. Non-essential workers are coming back. So things are starting to turn a corner for sure. Great work. Great work up there. Without you and the other doctors and the frontline people, we wouldn't be in this position that we're in. Let's speak about the position that we're currently in right now. Everybody's saying that the Arizona corona rate is going through the roof. Then there was obviously the thought that, well, the virus won't survive in heat, so everybody thought Arizona was potentially okay.

Texas numbers are going up. Is this something, as we go forward in our existence, that's going to be viewed like the flu? Like, yes, people might get cases, but not everybody's going to die from it? I feel like the beginning of this thing was, if you get the rona, you're going to die. Are we at the point now where we know a little bit more about it, where potentially this is just going to become a part of our lives going forward?

You're absolutely right. I think so. I think so. I think we have enough data points, enough data entry, enough information, enough research, enough, you know, so objective data to sort of understand and predict what may happen when the rising trends may happen. And obviously, we're working incredibly hard to get antiviral therapies and vaccines and antibody tests done so that we're able to be more out in front if this were to spike again at some other point of the year. If a pandemic were to come again, especially one that is analogous to this, I think we'll have a better handle on it just because of not only anecdotal experience that different hospitals have had, but the hard data, the hard science that a lot of

these very impressive intellectual people are sort of working through in their labs day to day. So yeah, I think it's be something that we're going to, you know, sort of see and have to mitigate, you know, yearly. But I think that we're going to have a better response for it as we go forward. Yeah, because that was the big thing, right? Nobody knew anything about this thing. So whenever we first saw the first reactions and people were talking about hallucinations and potentially passing away to the older community and people that are immunocompromised and things of that nature, we had no idea what to happen. Now with three months of research and studies, I feel like you guys in the doctor community are much more comfortable if you do have to treat another COVID-19 patient. Is that accurate?

Absolutely. We have a pathway now. We even have an order set in our hospital, for instance, at Harvard, where we can type in a dot phrase, basically, and then it just takes us to an order set of who you need to consult, what images you need to get, what labs you need to get, what antibiotics you need to start. It literally just auto populates for you because we have so much information of how to treat these people now so instead of standing flat foot and being off balance like we were hit the first time when this came around i think we're much better prepared and much more equipped to do what we need to do what countries have been doing well on the rollout plan because we we saw the afl aussie rules football uh debuted their round two this morning.

And then you're hearing about other countries potentially opening up a little bit. New Zealand has no cases. Australia has had no cases. Is that going to be normal for our country with how big we are and things of that nature? Can we look to other countries on how they rolled back into maybe normalizing society again? I think we can. I think you can look at how to reintegrate people back into their normal lives, get people going to their

normal assembly activities. But one thing that America has done for a long time is sort of classify itself as being different than the rest of the world and saying that our structure and our way of life is a bit different than others. So it might be hard-pressed to a couple of lawmakers to feel that they should take advice or take the examples of other countries. And that's just a historical thing and just maybe a pride thing. But from a hard science kind of deal and kind of looking at it outside of our own myopia, I think you can really look at how to reestablish some sense of normalcy, not only just for getting people and the economy back going again, but also to boost the morale,

just to have country morale and say, you know what, we went through a very tough time. We did lose a lot of people and we have to understand that. And now the goal is to sort of keep our country moving forward, keep the progress happening, never forget those that we lost. And if this were to happen again or we get a threat of having another pandemic, we are better prepared to handle it the next time so that we can certainly reduce those numbers of people, not only who lives have been lost, but lives have been affected. There's going to be people who have been changed for the rest of their life because of this. Their hospitalization, the fact that they were away from their family, the fact that they now have to deal with this sort of stigma of having COVID-19 everywhere they go, beyond the fact that they were able to maybe recover from it.

But the fact that you've been implicated in this pandemic makes it very difficult for people to look at you and say, oh, should I be around you? Should I social distance from you? Do I need to be around you? Do I need to do something else? You're going to have sort of this, as you remember, the scarlet letter back in the Massachusetts, right? You had this A if you were an adulteress or something like that. People would sort of socially distance and shun themselves away from you. So there's that sort of social dynamic that is not really talked about a lot because it's probably not the most pressing issue. But it's something that I think underscores all of this.

I think the information that you just said about how we are much more prepared for if somebody wants to get COVID-19 again is information that a lot of people need to hear. So that type of stuff doesn't happen. Because, for instance, if a guy in our office had it and he leaves or whatever and he comes back, I assume a lot of people need to hear so that type of stuff doesn't happen because for instance if if a guy in our office had it and he leaves or whatever and he comes back i assume a lot of people were like well this thing was killing people boom we're gonna we're gonna stay away from him but that information that the medical field in not only our country but everywhere has a road path to how to treat it and move forward is something that i think a lot of people hear and i can't thank enough for sharing that information it makes me feel a lot better by the way I thought there was a potential gloom and doom conversation coming with you I'm happy I'm happy that is not the case have you ever thought about

running for president are you gonna run for you're gonna run for president yeah I'm 33 so I got some time but you know it's I saw Barack Obama go in like a young man with nice healthy hair and left like really great so I'm not sure if that Yeah, the presidency is not an easy one from what I've been told. But man, you've been there, done that with a lot of things that aren't easy at all. Going forward here, okay, as a country, going forward, when you see these rules that all seem to, I don't want to say contradict each other, but they do kind of contradict each other. So, for instance, at a football facility right now, they're getting back into work. They're getting tested on the way in,

but then when they're in there, they have to wear a mask. Unless it's athletic, unless they're doing something athletic, which is on top of each other, then when they're not doing it, they have to put a mask on, take the mask off, they shower together. There are so many things that seem to contradict each other. I think that is why the mixed messaging is going. Why do these all seem to kind of go against each other? Can't eat this

small business, but can go to this grocery store where everybody's at. Can't wear, don't have to wear a mask whenever I'm doing something athletic on top of each other, but any other time I have to wear a mask. None of it really seems to add up. Am I the only one that is dumb enough to be confused by a lot of these things? No, certainly we all are. And I think it's part of the growing pains of trying to figure out what's the appropriate steps. I had a chance to speak to the Patriots. I'm good friends with the McCourty twins. Jason McCourty and I play together with the Titans. And his trainer, Coach Belichick, invited me to speak to the team. And just sort of asking me to sort of put it in, you know, layman's terms or put it in a football player's terms. What should I do individually to sort of keep myself healthy and then protect my family as well?

And I just gave them a few quick things. One, make sure your diet is still good, right? Make sure that you're keeping your vitamins and minerals up in your body to continue to boost your immune system. continues to boost your immune system because we know vitamin D, you can have enough vitamin D and you can sort of help the cells that are able to, I see you writing, that are able to fight sort of inflammatory or infectious diseases like this, upper respiratory infections. Another thing is when I tell them, when you go into the facility, a lot of guys go in with their street clothes, they walk around for a while that but their friends go move this way move that way take off your street clothes immediately when you get

into the locker room change to your workout gear take that off immediately when you're done get your street clothes on to go immediately out right so for us when we go into the hospital we go in change immediately put on new scrubs operate go see patients in the ED go in the ICU go in the wards and then once we leave we take those scrubs off put on new scrubs operate go see patients in the ed go in the icu go in the wards and then once we leave we take those scrubs off put on new scrubs and get out of there as quickly as we can i sort of about sanitizing all of their equipment like almost being neurotic with it treating everyone is almost as if they are an asymptomatic carrier even if they tell you they're okay so i was just going through all those little things that you can do individually you can't you

can't really do much about the actual nature of the sport. You're tackling people. You're sweating on each other. You're in a huddle. You know, all those things. But the things that you can control, trying to distance yourself in the team meeting rooms when you're watching film, you know, sit two or three seats apart. Whatever you can do, that can be helpful.

And as long as you do that, I think that you're at least being conscientious that this is still an issue and we're not fully over it, but we're getting there, but we're not all the way done. I don't know how our relationship is with the World Health Organization. I think Fauci even turned on him the other day. He was a member of the World Health Organization for like 30 years or something like that. So I don't know what information you can believe, you can't believe. You mentioned it. You alluded to it there about how asymptomatic carriers, they are actually not carrying or can making it

contagious for anybody where that was the big wave i think like a month and a half ago was like even if you don't have it you potentially are spread or even if you don't feel like you have it you're potentially spreading it where do we stand with the asymptomatic characters and carriers in your eyes i think it's something that's still uh that's still obviously being studied but i think it's a risk and i think it's not worth saying still obviously being studied, but I think it's a risk. And I think it's not worth saying, you know what, I'm just going to take the sort of insight from a group that maybe has an agenda or a group that hasn't done enough research or a group that doesn't have enough time to sort of study this out.

We're not five years out from this where we can say, we have good trends we know where we're going i think there's still a lot that we there's a lot that we know and a lot that we don't know and i just don't think that it's the time to gamble with the idea that you know maybe i can go out and you know be in a crowd uh and just really be full free vulnerable like i would you know two years ago when this wasn't really an issue right i think that at this point nobody is going to blame you for trying to be neurotic with your health making sure that you're adhering to the behavioral lifestyle modifications hand hygiene face mask separating yourself doing all those things until we truly truly have a real good handle on it we are moving in a great

direction i'm proud of the way the country is going i'm proud of where the medical professionals even how normal citizenry has adapted and adopted this new lifestyle but i just feel like there's still a little more push to go and once we get there i think we'll have um you know a bit easier time doing it but for right now i would say just keep your foot on the gas pedal and keep moving forward with um being a little bit uncomfortable for the time being. I'm 33 as well. I don't know how these two humans have lived on earth the same amount of time, but I'm thankful you did, sir. I can't thank your brain enough. Congratulations on all your success. Thanks for saving the world. Thanks for donating 1500 masks to a couple of different charities. I mean, you're a good person

and I enjoy every conversation we have together thank you so much for joining us thank you Pat appreciate it man I think you gotta be 35 to run for president or 36 so figure it out

figure it out hey how about me and you do it together how's that hey I don't know man I think there's

I will drag you down ladies and gentlemen Dr. Myron Roll yeah Doc thank you Doc great conversation just did seven brain surgeries I think I will drag you down. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Myron Roll. Yeah, Doc. Thank you, Doc. Great conversation. Just did seven brain surgeries in the last two days.

Yeah, no big deal. We've gotten back to other things other than COVID-19. I think I did three brain surgeries yesterday, three yesterday, and then four brain surgeries the day before that. Today, I'm just kind of hanging out talking to an idiot. So it feels like we're- It overly positive but also skeptical yeah which i think is the right good news for us and i think he said we've been doing a good job yeah dr myron ross said we've been doing a good job thanks doc

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Code McAfee, 20% off and free shipping. Hello and welcome to McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. Sitting to my left is Mr. A.J. Hawk. I am Pat McAfee and I have breaking news in the NFL world. Breaking, breaking news. It has come to my attention that sources have told me that July 28th will be the reporting date for every single NFL veteran. Every single NFL veteran will report for training camp on July 28th. Nothing will be happening before every single veteran will report on July 28th, except for the teams that are playing in the Hall of Fame game.

They will come earlier, and the rookies are potentially going to come a week before that for every team on the 21st. There won't be anything else happening. Veterans got information that they are to report on July 28th. This is just like when the lockout happened, just like what Sean Payton basically said whenever he said, we're not doing Zoom meetings, okay? I'll see you at training camp. That is what it is, July 28th, official check-in date.

So, AJ, when you and I were talking before this, and you said, what, the players report on July 29th? I said, no. You said, and you said what the players report on july 29th or no i said no he said oh what the the players report on july 27th i said no you were wrong both of those times but you were awfully close i have the sources that tell me it's the 20th every every team is going to be reported training camp okay so explain to me how this is breaking news what do you mean the nfl do you think it's it's breaking news because they set a date meaning like okay they plan on going to training camp nba july 31st after the nfl reports the nba will be having their games in orlando if the players get on board which there are 40 to 50 players, I guess, that potentially don't want to do what's going on in Orlando.

Pat, you know we talked about Major League Baseball mating our services as replacement players. I don't know if you saw this, but the NBA says if some players do not feel comfortable coming back, they may take some replacement players. So I feel like we may need to throw our hats in the ring. Wow. Oh, no. replacement players so i feel like we may need to throw our hats in the ring wow oh no

i i've been preparing for this oh yeah i built the office for this moment actually we have an nba3 we've been shooting on because whenever i put the nba3 in the office and everybody who comes in from the outside comes up three four feet short every single time because it's a little bit different from back where we shoot in the nba i always said there's no chance i ever play in college there's no chance my eligibility's gone but hey what if one day somehow i wake up and i can just stroke it every maybe i get in the nba maybe i play in a one of those uh notable human games that happens at the NBA All-Star game and I could just get wet from NBA three. But now there's a chance I'm actually going

to play for an NBA championship. What? What? What? What? Broke his ankles. What? Oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa Good fundamentals. Stay on the ground, AJ. What team do you want to play for? Lakers. Put me on the Los Angeles Lakers. Who is the biggest,

like who is going to win the NBA championship, honestly? Everybody thinks it's probably going to be the Clippers because they're very deep. Maybe the Milwaukee Bucks, but nobody knows. Coming out of quarantine, people could be rusty. You don't think this is LeBron's year to make it happen in LA?

I didn't say, I just said people. I think LeBron Braun's going to it happen in LA? I didn't say, I just said people would say, I think LeBron, Bron's going to win the whole damn thing. But if they set it up, if it gets set up in the fashion that it was originally, they were in a bad spot, but now they have a chance to really go for it.

I don't, I think maybe LeBron, Bron wins the whole thing, wins the COVID championship, but there's players that aren't happy about potentially living in that biodome with the world that we're in. I know down in, it's in Disneylandome with the world that we're in. I know. It's in Disneyland in Orlando.

Is that right? Yeah. The MLS is coming back July 8th. They have a 54-game tournament. Now the NFL says, hey, here's the day we're coming back. That's big news. That is big breaking news. Yeah.

Pat Schefter himself let everybody know that July 28th is the date. Who is your inside source? Don't worry about it. You never can talk about your sources. I got it. My inside source said, we don't know the exact date yet. I know the league's working on it. They're going to get back to us soon.

Hmm. Well, your source doesn't know. What happens to your breaking news, Pat, in your career as someone that breaks news if the NFL comes back July 27th? I was close. Yeah. Right there.

I was close. Yes. You reported that teams will report pretty much at the exact same time they report every other year. I broke that news. Yes. I did break that particular news that you just stated right there. Because every other year, guess what? Isn't like this year, AJ.

Things are different, okay? Things are much different. I'm reporting that that is the same, though. And it's not normal for every team to check in at the same time. There's always different dates for whatever reason. One day more, two days less. None of it really means anything or matters in the overall grand scheme of the season no none of it matters a lot of the people that are getting reps there in the

first couple days are not going to make any team i mean it's it is a very interesting thing i was there for a hall of fame game training camp that son of a bitch was long long long that so i'm surprised they're still doing the hall of fame game yeah it's interesting because that would seem to be ahead of a lot of schedules that a lot of other sports don't think that they can do. So if whoever's playing the Hall of Fame game, they always had to go to camp like five, six, seven days before everybody else. Now you're saying the rookies are reporting the 21st. When most teams report the 28th, the veterans now are rookies looking at

reporting like the 14th if you're on a team that's playing the Hall of Fame game. I don't know. Who's in the Hall of Fame game? Stellars, the Cowboys, ultimate Hall of Fame game, best of all time. Hall of Fame game is the worst game that is played every year at every level of football. How about that? Until the Steelers and Cowboys square off.

Oh, yeah. Until the players, Pat, when they got extra reps to try to earn a spot on that team. You're telling me it doesn't mean anything to those guys? Bro, it's like the fourth preseason game, but it's the first preseason game, and nobody knows what the fuck they're doing before four weeks. I mean, it is a— So no Big Ben? Doubtful.

Big Ben might not even be in Canton, Ohio for that game. doubtful but they might not even be in canton ohio for that game i had to i was i actually got hurt like two days before the uh hall of fame game so i would not have uh played in the hall of fame game if it was to be played in we actually brought in michael pilardi who put out some great film bombs balls he went to the carolina panthers everything he was so damn good he was going to put in a hall of fame game and he was a guy who hadn't had a chance yet to really put out some good film. So this Hall of Fame game was going to be massive for him because probably a lot of punting and everything like that. And I got hurt. He got in there.

And I watched him in practice like the day before murdering footballs. And I was like, holy shit. I know this general manager doesn't love me already now that I'm hurt. Well, he wouldn't cut me, would they? Would they potentially cut me? Maybe they would. and then my next thought was well we would compete against each other and although he is hitting bombs i feel pretty good about myself as well so that was the whole thing but then i thought to myself in the middle how does this guy not have a job in the nfl somewhere like as i was watching i'm like how is this guy not in the end this is unbelievable

so that hall of fame game was going to be a chance for him to potentially live out his entire dreams he'd been like four or five teams had not really gotten good film so you're right it is a good opportunity for people but since it is an opportunity for people i mean they're probably not going to be as good as the people who you know have uh made the team before and that is just something that wait did the game happen or did it you're acting like it didn't happen no i remember that was the one where they spray-painted the field, and then they put a top of it. Oh, that was the Packers. Yeah, and they, what's that called, broiled the field.

So they actually broiled the field with the sun. They only cooked the top of it. How happy were both teams? Oh, well, we want the camp. I know, because the Packers were there. I was texting with multiple of the trainers and different players throughout the whole process, and I was like, oh, my gosh, you guys, the game's going to get canceled? And they're like, yeah, we sure hope so.

It was a shit show. But the thing was, you were already at camp for a week or whatever, right? So you already took a lot of the downside of the Hall of Fame game if you were a player. All the downside is having five, six extra days of practice. Oh, yeah, and being locked. But even then, though, as a player, if you were going to play a quarter or so, they'll say, wait, we're here.

We might as well play. I guarantee the majority of guys are like, nope, we might as well not play. Oh, you're 100% wrong, actually. Why don't we don't play? And I walked out. I take the first bus. Even though I wasn't playing, I wanted to get over there. You walk through a school to get to the locker room.

It's a very interesting. I mean, it's an interesting – It's a high school field. Yeah, and you walk through the high school, and you walk through like a science class out the back door, and then you walk down a hill, and then you get in your locker room. It's very – and the locker room is obviously undersized, especially for the entire roster being there

because it's the first week at training camp. No cuts have happened. It was very interesting. But as soon as I got there there one of the trainers was like patty and i was like what's going on not gonna play this fucking game so his exact words and i was like why is that he was like i'll go out there so i go out there and i think aaron was already out there and aaron was there and we had i think vinitieri walked over to aaron and then gms were out there and all of these people. And they were just looking at the paint.

And I just walked right over to where they were talking. I was like, oh, I want to see what's going on here. And I looked and it was just a big glob of paint just stuck together in the middle of the field. And you saw, I forget who it was, but somebody I saw like gave an actual hand thing. It was like, yeah, we can't play football here, right? And then I think Aaron gave like, that does seem to be be dangerous like that type of thing or something of that nature and then all the conversation just started echoing right echoing through the the trainers through anybody that was there before the game media started hearing about it then the entire locker room

and they didn't make the official decision until right before i guess full warm-ups were about to happen and that massive dude what was his name the the the guy the head of the whole thing oh ed something dave something oh this is bad on us this is why we won't get an nfl job agent david baker david baker ed looks like an ed he does look like an Ed. He's a massive man. He comes into the locker room and gives this, like, impassioned speech about how it's not good enough for an NFL player to play on. The field is not good enough.

He gave this whole speech about how we at the Hall of Fame respect and love the level of football that the NFL, like, it was a great speech, but it was so hot. He was sweating through his suit and we had already been told basically that the game wasn't happening. So he gave his great speech and there wasn't a lot of people paying attention or whatever. And we thought we were just going to get the hell out of there.

And they're like, no, no, we're going to do something though for the fans that come here. And they did like a walkout thing. We stood on the field away from each other. I mean, it was,

it was very interesting, but that was the first time I ever field away from each other. I mean, it was, it was very interesting, but that was the first time I ever shook Mr. Rogers hand. I said, sir, big fan of the way you do life or something like that.

And he said, thanks, you too. And then I walked away and I think that was potentially the moment that kindled into our best friendship.

And this son of a bitch. So did your whole team get that belt? The whole team, you mean the team that was hand-selected by Aaron Rodgers to represent the NFL's past and present in a golf battle against the National Basketball Association? Yes. Yeah, we all got belts. We all got belts.

Pat, if you do join the NBA, what team are you going to pick? Lakers. No, I'm saying if you go back to that golf tournament, NBA or NFL. Yeah, and if I win a championship in basketball, I'll probably be more remembered for basketball, my basketball legacy, than the punting one. Good point. So I don't don't know what i do i i probably go with the nba team to be honest with you and then you have two belts yeah two different teams and i scored points probably so you i scored in that sport this sport i didn't score anything i was close so i don't pat if you want to play for the lakers why don't you right now why don't you take this opportunity to to

make a public plea to the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers right now and address him by name and tell him how much you want to be there. Frankie boy, listen, you and I- Oh, you know his name? Frank Vogel, you and I have golfed together, okay? You've seen my golf swing. And yeah, I might've been bad the first 10 to 11 holes but what happened when I found a coach I found it that's the same exact stroke I can do from three-point land in the middle of this coverage yeah my first couple games might be ice cold might get my shit swatted because I'm maybe a little bit

too so I might get winded I might pukeke. But once I find it, just like I did on that golf course around hole 14, hole 15, I'm going to be stroking. We be stroking. Stroking. I be stroking in the east. I been stroking in the west. Stroking the best. Stroking.

I can do that for the Lakers, Frank, and I'm ready to go. Where did you play with him? Where did you play golf? He was a coach of the Pacers for a while. It was a charity thing. Oh, okay. See, I assumed you didn't know who the coach was for the Lakers, so that's the only reason I said that.

Well, see, I know. I should have known. A big-time guy like yourself has celebrity friends all over the globe. So that's my fault. I won't make that mistake again. Well, that's only – this is the celebrity friends all over the globe because this was actually in another country where I won this thing. But the –

Consider a different country? Yeah, you need a passport. The Bahamas? Was it in the Bahamas? That is a different country, yeah. I know. That's where the golf tournament was, though, correct? What's that?

That was very insensitive. It was, wasn't it? Yeah, a little bit. What was? Bahamas is an incredible country. Great people. What did I say about the country? I was questioning where the tournament was.

You kind of just said that it wasn't even a country. You know. Dr. Myron Rowe. Ever heard of him? He's from the country of the Bahamas. You're like, oh, that it wasn't even a country. You know. Dr. Myron Rowe. Ever heard of him? He's from the country of the Bahamas. You're like, oh, that rock in the ocean. Stop skewing, first off, what I'm saying. I wasn't sure if that was played like in South Florida somewhere.

Or my bad, bottom Florida. Or somewhere in the free zone. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's a good call back there. In Indiana, though, I do get invited to some of those events. I rarely go, but Frank Vogel and I swung a club together. He was a great coach for the Pacers whenever he was here, too.

Great coach. Then whenever he got that gig with the Lakers, I was like, oh, good for the Lakers, good guy. Then I did the Pelicans intro, and they were playing against the Lakers, and Frank was right there. He didn't say a word to me, AJ. Was he just too dialed in in the game or what? I was hyping up the other team.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So maybe. Still, he should have reached out by K-Man Pat. Great work. He should have known where he was. He might have been in a huddle, though, you know? Like, he might have been a – because I think they introduced they i wanted to introduce the lakers as well that

night you know like i wanted to introduce them man a lot of times people say he's the greatest player on earth but tonight he's bum liberon james like that's how you know the nba that's how the nba introduces the away team you know and i wanted to do that i thought that would have been with the nfl too like the nfl the home team whether it's offense or defense there's a big hoopla there's fireworks there's craziness they announce them one by one and right before that they're like and then indianapolis colts and everyone just kind of jogs and goes don't even jog on the field just goes right to the bench really just usually straggles out to like oh there's three players oh there's two more there's

five more and then while the home team's being announced you see a lot of the vets come strolling out of the tunnel too like i don't need to be out there yet where were you in the in the line of jogging on the field were you right up there in the front always love the guys that went right to the front i never went in the front i never luckily had any like superstitions that i needed to be there i was always right towards the back i would say the guys that go to the front i never luckily had any like superstitions that i needed to be there i was always right towards the back i would say the guys that go to the front i'll tell you what a lot of pressure you got to run as fast as you can you know you got to run as fast as you can and the good news is nor i don't know for most of the teams that i was, the people that would go to the front were either not around very long, which is kind of a bummer, to be honest with you, because a lot of them had great personalities.

But normally, you see a lot of people trail in the back. You know what I mean? Normally, it's a lot of people. I don't know. I think that sprint, Julian Edelman, I guess, does that full sprint out. I think that's pretty badass. A hundred yards all the way to the end. Yeah, there's people that do it. i think there's some really cool things but

the whole the whole dramatics of a lot of that i i don't fully comprehend well the dramatics of like someone that sprints out there and then kind of separates himself from the team say they run all the way down to the corner of an end zone and they pray for three minutes by themselves the prayer the prayer group too is always because i'm trying to warm up hit some more punts you know but then you got jesus scattered along the red zone there on that one side and then you turn around it's the other team it's like do i want to hit our good guys or their good guys and i don't want to start a war right now so i'll just punt it sideways i guess until god's done with the conversation with all of them at the same time.

So I don't know. There's always a lot going on. Whatever gets you in the best feeling to play the best football, I guess, is good. But how many times, what did you do when you got intro'd yourself? At linebacker, number 50, A.J. Hawk. I just kind of trotted out there. I pictured you as more of like a Ray Lewis entrance type guy. Yeah, why didn't you do a Ray Lewis type thing?

There's only one Ray Lewis, guys. I cannot imitate him. That guy is unbelievable. So, no. I stayed in my lane. I did what I felt comfortable doing, just kind of cruising out there. Did you have helmet on or helmet off? Helmet on, always.

Ah, jeez. How many times do you think you got in? A lot, huh? What, introed? Yeah. Well, just every other game at home, they would do offense, defense, offense, defense. See that? Did you hear what he just said right there? Wow. That, just every other game at home, they would do offense, defense, offense, defense. See that? Do you hear what he just said right there?

Wow. That's the problem with the sport. Why? Well, there's three phases to football, obviously. Well, you could put – we probably threw specialists in there sometimes. Yeah, probably. Probably not, too. Yeah, probably not.

Because the problem was specialists, you guys got out there so early. You were already out there punting back and forth into the people people praying so therefore they weren't able to run out with us my first time getting introed was with chuck pagano like year seven or eight or something like i think it was year seven maybe it was awesome chuck was like uh have you ever been introed or whatever he said to me and i said no he said you're getting introed i was like oh i gotta figure out what the fuck i'm gonna do he's like listen listen gave me like a listen like a don't let's let's not get too crazy so i handed my helmet off to a trainer take the helmet please let's get the face out here let's put the hat on full spin reaction as the fire's going off

absolute absurdity and i thought for sure there was no chance they would let me get introed again and they did and i was pretty pumped up about it poor vinatieri obviously hall of famer right behind me i'm doing a 35 second i'm doing a 35 second wrestling entrance didn't know if it was gonna ever happen again and then the next time it happened i was like this is probably gonna be the last time this ever happens so i got to make the most of it vinatieri's back there like i have accomplished more in a quarter of my career than this guy but i'll wait for him with my helmet on and just jog straight out i was like i got it vinny no big deal no what about your basketball intro how's that going to be when they intro you you get to do all the cool you're gonna have different high

fives with every single player oh yeah we're gonna have a we're gonna have a couple we're gonna have a couple uh handshakes with people me and bron bron will have one probably it's very very long if i had to guess. Old Frankie V doesn't even know he brings me back. He's going to have a handshake too in the middle of that thing. Normally, coaches try to stay away from that, a little bit more serious. Frankie V and I are going to have a full session out there.

You a big handshake guy? I assume you're a big handshake guy. Yeah, of course. Love handshakes. Love the choreographed handshakes i had one with every one of my 90 teammates at the beginning of every training camp that's pretty cool i had one choreographed handshake there for a little bit and it was because we were on a bus ride home from a soccer game and we weren't allowed to speak because we lost so we are sitting in what's that what's that i can relate to that i know exactly how that feels so we're sitting there and we're the youngest dudes on the bus too so we're just sitting there

and uh we just it was like a 45 minute ride too if i do recall a little bit of a haul and me an old slar monster we put together this handshake that was and we failed obviously numerous times and then the the challenge, can we remember this tomorrow? That's the challenge. And we hit it. We hit it. And then all it takes is just, you know, one day of just kind of maybe smoking too many vitamins.

And all of a sudden you forget one of the choreographed moves with your hands. And that is a problem for everybody. That is a real problem for everybody. Sam and I have one every once in a while that we do casually. real problem for everybody sam and i have one every once in a while that we do casually and if i fuck that up i feel like uh she feels as if you know she beat me in the caring for the other person in the relationship thing and i try not to fuck that up as well so i've had a couple choreographed handshakes i don't mind i don't mind like i think it's cool sometimes when you see spouses have a choreographed handshake like you said yourself and sam i enjoy that i'm like hey

these people care about each other. Yeah, but if you're the one that fucks it up, do you care less? You care much less. You weren't paying attention. You were stuck in your own mind, in your own life, and you don't care about the person you're living with. Yes.

What the fuck, dude? Oh, I sent my RSVP in for your wedding. Oh. AJ. AJ. AJ. Why today? AJ, there's no reason to bring it up again. AJ.

Oh, I don't know. Oh, is that your breaking news? I did. AJ. Gee, that makes some sense. So you know, as does the rest of the world now, that Hawaii has extended its must-have 14-day quarantine upon arrival to the state until the end of July, at least.

So a wedding on August... You made it. Huh? You made it. You're right under the wire. Yeah, but a wedding on August 1st is going to be difficult if you literally can't arrive until August 1st without getting locked down in your house or in your room. So we have had to, unfortunately, change the location.

You will be getting another letter in the mail or another text message about alternative plans. I feel so bad for my lady. She's had to plan like three, four different weddings now at this point. And by the way, not a great time from what I've been understanding, planning weddings. Not just like a blast to do from what I've been told. Especially in the midst of a worldwide pandemic. Yeah.

I didn't know, honestly. I apologize. Oh, my God. Yeah. Okay. I had no idea. Okay. Because you didn't have your Google alert set to Hawaii agent? Come on. We're going to believe God. Yeah. Okay. I had no idea. Okay. Because you didn't have your Google alert set to Hawaii agent.

Come on. We're going to believe that. Yeah. I'm sorry. My fiance is crying right now because you just brought it up. I'm sorry. But you know what? On my RSVP, I did write congrats with an exclamation mark.

Oh, that's pretty nice, actually. That's nice. Exclamation is big. I'm sure that means a lot. Did you send a gift as well? Aren't you supposed to send a gift I think? Not with the RSVP But I did try to go onto your site

And find out where you're registered And I could not figure it out So I'm going to be exploring that later in the week No no no We have a special registry for you Send it to me Send me a link It's the office registry

I will What do we got that volleyball four-way volleyball net you seen that thing I got influence into buying it last night oh you did buy it yeah awesome can't wait it's a better four square they gotta buy two get one free we don't need three of these things

we might have you seen this AJ I got influence into buying this last night this is the way things go I'll scroll through the marketing they know me. They get me. It'll pop up. I'll just hit the little forward arrow.

If it's something for the house, I send it to my beautiful lady, Sam. If it's something for the office, I send it right to Zito. I go, Zito, need this buy tomorrow if possible. Zito has a card to the company. Bingo, bango. We have, wait until you see the content that we create with this four-square volleyball game, AJ. It's unbelievable. That sounds like fun, actually.

I would like to take part in that someday if I make the trek to Indy. But going back, though, if there's something that you find that you like, say you're scrolling through Instagram or whatever, you see something, and you click on it, why don't you just take the next step and buy it yourself? Why do you have to send it to Sam or to Zito? Well, because Zito's got it already set up. So his thing is already set up, ready to go with our business card. And Sam has it all set up at the house.

Boom. And also, Sam filters some things, too. I'll send some things to her. She'll know that I forget about them and they don't buy. If it's going straight to Zito, I know it's coming into the office. The only thing that I have not bought yet that you sent me was the RG3 side helmet. Yeah, why is that not happening? We haven't got it yet.

We have not got it yet. Okay. We have bought it, though. I can't wait for that to be in the office. Yeah, that's going to be the... I know what I'm getting you now. I know I can't tell you. It'll be a surprise.

I'm going to tell Ty about it some other time off air, but I know what I'm getting you, and it's going to be some kind of piece of memorabilia. Percasa. Huh. Hmm. Are you giving me one of your helmets that's probably fucking dented because you throw that head around at people so much? Nothing of mine.

It's going to be some high-profile person that we've talked about on the show before. Ty is a big fan of this person. I just got to scour the Internet and try to find a few things. You are the best gift giver as a dude that i've ever met in my entire life pretty good bro this fucking we still have this unicorn or this uh what is this called centaur thing that you sent me like two christmases ago it's awesome i don't think i don't think of things like this you're you're like a great gift giver i didn't really think of it that was more of the the artist thought of that i said i said i wanted to put pat's torso on making a centaur i painted that zito wants to know if you painted is that what you said no that's a picasso

is that a picasso that is not a picasso that's a guy named kevin pickle who's a local artist but maybe you will get a picasso eventually maybe i don't want a guy named Kevin Bickle, who's a local artist. But Picasso looks like maybe you will get a Picasso eventually. I don't want a guy's nuts paint, please. I don't. It's everything. It's everything. He uses his butt too. What? Yeah, I had to watch a video the other day. Dustin Johnson putting for par

here on the ninth hole puts it home. He is currently plus one. Rough start for DJ. They just uh they just fist bumped are they allowed to do that oh yeah somebody just shook hands too i think i just saw oh no justin rose what are you doing they've all been tested well you stop touching don't even look at each other there's a lot of people on this course for not having spectators this is in fort worth texas there's a spectator right underneath that tree. No, that guy's finding a ball.

If a ball rolls underneath that particular spot of that tree, that guy's going to get it. That's how they got around it. The people that own this course have friends that are like, how can I get in? They say, oh, we need people to find balls. Well, all these tournaments have volunteers all over. You know, you've played in tournaments like that.

There's volunteers, but, yeah, I guess it just looks like a lot of people. Oh, fuck! That went in the water? Phil's wearing shades today, too. too well that's why he puts the ball in the water Phil he's minus two he's off to a hot start he was my pick to win this whole damn thing because he lost to Peyton Manning and Tiger Woods what's up Diggs uh AJ we were talking about memorabilia and like a lot of the people who were interviewed who won Super Bowls have Super Bowl trophies behind them do you get a Super Bowl trophy as well? I don't get one.

I think Aaron has one in his basement because he was the MVP, but I don't know any other players that have one. No, because we interviewed – Don't you get like little replica ones? Glaskowski, I remember he had like six of them down there. Yeah, they don't give you like little replica ones or anything like that? I don't know. Maybe I didn't fill out the proper forms. Oh, my God.

AJ, we got to get you a little replica Lombardi, bub. I got my brother a replica Super Bowl ring that's a paperweight. It's gigantic. Listen to this. I know what I'm going to get you. I'm not going to tell you now, but I know what I'm going to get you. I'll tell Ty, and then I know what I'm going to get you. I already got it.

You don't need to get me anything. No, I'm getting you something very special. It's going to be a surprise. Another question, quickly. Oh, I'm getting you something very special. It's going to be a surprise. Another question, quickly. Oh, this was only 18 bucks. Quick! Buy that now. Buy it, Zito.

Because Pat is unable to use a credit card, so he's got to send all of his purchases to other people. Yep. Well, it's an expedited process, AJ. It's not. It's an extra step in the process, so it's definitely not. But it doesn't matter. I want to know, you had an interview with Mason Cox. AJ. It's not. It's an extra step in the process, so it's definitely not. But it doesn't matter. I want to know, you had an interview with Mason Cox, Coxzilla himself.

So he's from Texas, went to Oklahoma State, and has a full-blown Australian accent. And he's been there for like five years. Six years. How did that work? Six years. It's gotten even heavier, too, since the last time we talked to him. I have no clue how that works. Now, I can understand because if I call somebody on the phone and they have an accent,

I'm immediately going to pick up that accent while talking to the person. I'm not good at that. There is no discipline for me in not speaking like the person that I'm talking to. That's why my Pittsburgh accent is so – I go to Pittsburgh for a weekend, wait until I come back after that. It gets even heavier. So I can understand how he can pick up a little bit of an Australian, maybe hint in his accent, maybe like with a Southern draw in there as well.

I wonder if the Australians can tell that he's an American, a Southern American. I'm sure they can. He sounded like he was speaking with a 400% Australian accent. I didn't even understand some of the things, and we're speaking the same language. It was unbelievable to me. He's a good dude, though. though he is it's a great accent i understand why you

would let yourself kind of slide into that especially you've been living there and you've been quarantined with people like that but he sounded like my buddy that was a punter that from australia still lives there i still talk to him he sounded just like him he's like wow this dude pat said he's an american i don't believe believe it. And then I looked him up. I'm like, yeah, he is full-blown American. Coxilla's American. I have a theory where the cooler accent always wins. So people from Australia or Ireland or Britain who come over here, they don't pick up an American accent.

They keep their accent. But if we go there, because it is a cooler accent, we then adopt their accent. The body just automatically makes itself cooler. Survival of the fittest. Accept and adopt to the cooler accent. That's right, Diggs. Atta boy, Tony.

I think it's probably accurate, too. That's why you can get people that go down the south that don't pick up the southern accent because in their minds, they don't think it's cool. You put me in the south for a little bit, though, I'm drawing everything. Phil Mixon was just chipped in after putting one in the water. Son of a bitch is back. Pat, are you like some different kids that I went to high school with

where grew up in Ohio, no accent, whatever. All of a sudden, they come back for Thanksgiving break. So they've been at their college for maybe two months. And they're like, oh, what are y'all doing over here? Oh, man, I reckon it's a bad day for that, huh? And I'm like, wait, where do you go? Oh, I go to Georgia. I'm like, oh, where do you go? Oh, I go to Georgia. I'm like, oh, cool.

You developed an accent and you were there for 49 days. You were the worst, huh? Yeah. Did you get redshirted? No. Me neither, by the way. Just so you know. Why did you ask that?

Well, because I thought there was a chance that you did go home throughout your freshman year and things of that nature. And maybe go to other people's colleges. And just hearing how you were acting right there, I bet you were a savage. Just a ruthless savage to people. No, I never said anything to the people unless I was close personal friends with them. I forgot you were a mute there for a while, weren't you? Yeah, definitely at that time, for sure. Why? I'm so

happy you're no longer a mute, by the way. It'd be so scary if you were just sitting in the corner. I don't know. I may go back. At times, I'm going back into becoming another mute again. Did you watch the AFL this morning? Yeah, every second. I don't know if you're being serious or not. No, I did not see it.

I'm sorry. I was about to say I wish you were a mute now because I don't know what you're saying, but you missed the AFL's debut this morning, 5.40 a.m.? I should have. I was up. I should have watched it, honestly. I feel bad. I knew Coxzilla was out.

That's part of the reason I didn't watch. Okay. Fair enough. So it was a low-scoring game by Aussie rules football standards. Okay, low-scoring game. The over-under was 120-something. It ended up as a 36-scoring game by Aussie rules football standards. Okay, low-scoring game. The over-under was 120-something. It ended up as a 36-36 draw.

They didn't even attempt to find out a winner, by the way, after regulation, which I very much am struggling to get over because I do love the sport in the league so much. But for the casual fan, the person who hasn't seen thousands of games or whatever the hell somebody has seen over there who's a little bit jaded possibly, I thought it was a great fucking game. And they said this is the worst game they've ever had basically. Low scoring game since 1999. Coming out of a quarantine, guys are a little bit rusty. And I was thoroughly entertained.

In the last five minutes, there was real, like, you know how you get like a real feeling maybe towards the last five minutes of a big nfl game you're watching like you don't even like you're like this is you know there's like a little intensity you feel i felt that for like the last five six minutes of that game this morning and i did not expect to get that way i love i think you'll love it i think you would actually enjoy it i will i think i will too but is this something you think you will sustain like your passion for the afl well once other sports start coming on board will you continue to be all all in it's I think I will too. But is this something you think you will sustain, like your passion for the AFL? Once other sports start coming on board, will you continue to be all in?

It's difficult to watch, you know, but it's perfect because there's nothing else on when it's on. What do you mean difficult to watch? It's at 5.40 a.m. was the game. There's 11 p.m. tomorrow's a game, so I'm pumped for that. What's that? DVR these games. I'm not a big DVR guy.

I don't do it. If I don't see it, I'll catch the clips or hear the synopsis. You know what I mean? I understand. Yeah, I get it. It's hard with social media, too, and I know you are on there a lot. Everyone already probably gives you all the info. So I think I will actually wake up with the AFL when it's on in the morning.

I think I will because it is a very cool game. There's a guy actually playing for the Collingwood squad. Nah, maybe Richmond. He's the only other guy I've seen a jawline like you, and he was running around on the field out there with his hair and things of that nature. It was an A.J. Hawk jawline. I actually said, that might be A.J. Hawk's jaw running around in Australia. He took the camera off and was like, that is A.J. It was an A.J. Hawk jawline. I actually said, that might be A.J. Hawk's jaw right around in Australia. He took the camera off and was like, that is A.J.

It was unbelievable. So I just assume that guy never gets a concussion. Ladies probably love him over there, if I had to guess. And he hates when people break news in his face. I wonder if he talks. That's me that broke news. That's part of the reason why I'm kind of off balance here, because I'm still reacting to the huge news that was dropped at the beginning of this episode.

Everybody knows July 28th. Now you know. July 28th, all veterans will be reporting for NFL training camps unless their teams are playing in the Hall of Fame game, which would be the Steelers and the Cowboys, all other veterans reporting to training camps same day, July 28th. The NFL will officially be started with their shit three days before the NBA tournament kicks off.

Good for the NFL being able to make something happen and fording the river with their schedule. That breaking news comes to you live from this show right here today this just a little bit ago hey do you think our commissioner is going to be upset that you broke this news and you didn't allow him to break it through the proper channels potentially white got you know dana white got really pissed at ariel hawani for breaking news about brock lesnar i don't know how many years ago and dana's hated ariel ever since for breaking news about Brock Lesnar, I don't know how many years ago, and Dana's hated Ariel ever since.

Raj always puts his ego aside, though, because that's why we have Schefter and everyone else. They're always breaking the news beforehand. This is not Raj. Raj doesn't care to break the news, okay? As long as the news gets out there and it's correct, Raj doesn't care. That's our commissioner. Dana, on the other hand, needs a spotlight, you know, how he is and stuff. No, no, no.

Excuse me. The opinions of Diggs do not reflect that of his employer or his peers. What did he say? He cut off. Well, he's about to bury Dana White. I loved everything you said about our commissioner, Roger Goodell, all those things.

They were very comical things of that nature. But when you start going after Dana White, don't do that. He's about to beat the fuck out of Levitard. We're not next. All I said was that Dana likes Spotlight. That's all I said. No, he doesn't. Dana middle of way be in control he likes to he likes he doesn't want other people putting out like half truth because he knows the

truth you hear that yeah that makes sense that's what i hear that tone yeah i said it watch your tone next time remember when tone went after nasa show you remember when tone went after the astronauts spacex terrible no tone that's the same? You remember when Tone went after the astronauts? SpaceX. Terrible. We don't forget Tone. Tone. That's the same guy. So Dana, if you're watching.

Wait, he went after the astronauts, Diggs? For what? Oh, yeah. He hates Dana White. He hates the astronauts. They couldn't fly into space because of a little bit of rain, but then they redeemed themselves and I'm back on their side. Oh.

He was. Once you turn on American space people. I turned on South Africa and Mr. Elon Musk, who runs SpaceX, not NASA. I would never turn on this country. Anyways, that's unbelievable.

What's up, bro? Fulfill a space station in your country. Come to your mind. Wait, is that Elon Musk? Dude, his South African accent. Is this Elon? Sup, bro? It's a little bit humid.

You can't send it up in space today. Hey, do a Southern accent now. Southern US? Yeah, yeah. Sup, bro? This is a shame. He only has one accent. He only has one.

Okay, do a Southern Australian. Sup, bro? Lots of spiders and stuff around here. Perfect. That's the guy that just went after dana white i hope dana white understands that we do not want to fight him uh we are on his side we are a fan of his i'm not sure how we got to dana white or talking oh roger goodell i don't think he'll be mad at me for breaking the news i think he knows this show is a espn might your boy shefter might be mad your other employer they, they might be upset. Hey, charge it to the game, bro. That's business, baby.

Charge it. That is business, baby. Yep. I am not currently an employee by ESPN. This could change that. Am I a free agent in the TV world right now? Do I want to do television? Probably not.

Not. YouTube's so much better. This is so much better than that it really is is television and kind of a lot of people i guess put us on their television i saw a guy the other day who had his baby watching us i think in new zealand on his television i want to shout out new zealand jermaine brick they're my favorite people on Earth fly the Concords great band I love New Zealand I had a guy this morning Pat uh ran into a guy and he's like hey gotta ask you something I was like yeah what's that he said is Pat McAfee the funniest guy there is and I was like yeah he is Pat's a very funny he's a great dude breaking news I'm joking uh This is just so much better. It really is.

Now, granted, the platform on those networks are so big, just inherently a lot of humans watching that. It's the default. People wake up in the morning, if you're in an airport, what's the default? Turn the TVs on ESPN and Fox and all that. Yeah, which, by the way, and there's a lot of very good, talented people in that business,

in that world but man once you do this and you have a little bit of success doing it and you can make a living with your friends doing it it's really hard to be like you know what i want to fucking stop doing this i want to go do something where i'm not allowed to speak really and there's like a certain way of doing things and all that stuff i mean it's just i don't know tomato tomato i guess i i enjoyed my time on the television but this is just so much better at all, it's just, I don't know, tomato, tomato, I guess. I enjoyed my time on the television, but this is just so much better at all times. It's just such an interesting world.

It's a great time. We're lucky, I think, to be the age we are coming up in this time to where we're watching the transition from. It's not transition, but we're watching all these new platforms that have come about over the years and that are going to come out in the future.

And so there's so many different opportunities and you can kind of, I guess, fit in where you feel the most comfortable or where you think is the most fun everybody can make money now if they they can talk and do a good story their own platforms and things of that nature the interesting thing here is AJ you can't do the tiktok can't do the tiktok do the tiktok they why they because of they're spying on you? Oh, yeah. That's why.

Everybody is spying on you. They know the name of all those books behind you. They're not spying on me, Bob. You see all these cameras on me every single day, about 10 of them? Oh, yeah. Ain't nobody looking through them except for the people that are supposed to be looking through. Yep. Smart.

Nobody's spying on me, Bob. I guess you might be right. Hey, do you know why today for any reason you've said in things of that nature maybe seven or eight times already we actually had this we actually had this conversation right before we went on the air really yeah it was that is that what something you've grabbed off the shelves and you just you can't get it off out of your head there's some words i get stuck on and then but i talk so often three and a half hours a day if you get stuck on it in in the regular world you're talking to somebody probably once maybe a day or something

like that or maybe a week I'm talking so it doesn't really catch on as much now that every word that I say is basically documented whenever I start getting into a repetitive fashion with one it doesn't it annoys me I get sick of saying it because i'm talking so much so what happens is it kind of gets stuck in a repertoire until i figure out a way to replace it and sometimes that can take a little bit and sometimes that can take a little bit i get it i'm not i wasn't annoyed by it by any means i just felt like i wanted to address it you know when and things of that nature to come up well my favorite is there's a Twitter account that's the Bengals don't have an indoor training facility. Yeah.

Do not let this distract you from the fact that the Cincinnati Bengals do not have an indoor training facility. It's 2020. They should. I got off of that a little bit. But just wait. If Joe Burrow doesn't play his best football late in the season because he can't practice fucking outside or inside, I will have some questions for ownership.

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karma yeah i did 100 floors yesterday what how long does that take so i set a 25 minute time thing on one and i did 84 floors when the time was up because of the thing and i tried to up it i didn't know the math because it tells you how many floors per minute but then that'll change whenever it goes down because you do i do like a uh a program where it goes up and down. So the floors per minute will change with each section you go to. So it said like four point seven floors per minute. I was like, OK, twenty five minutes here. I'll do a hundred floors. But it drops down to three point something floors per minute whenever it goes down and it's back up to like five something. So I had to do two different sets. It took me thirty five minutes to get 100 floors and i'll tell you what i was dying full sweat then i got a little bit of an arm workout

in chest workout did the back and then i went and vomited in the bathroom did you really vomit yeah it was hot it's been like a sauna out here it's been tough to breathe and i've been trying to crazy humid along i feel like everyone in mid Midwest right now It's super humid I go outside I just sweat all day I've been trying to go as hard as possible too Because I'd rather get in shape quicker than slower And I always just assumed If I go as hard as I possibly can

Results will happen faster But it's been a bit miserable This is definitely the longest I've been motivated to do this though In the last three years Which feels pretty good You look great I think you're looking good

How much do you weigh? I'm not doing a scale. It's not about weight. What is just how you feel? Feel and look. I started at 260. So once I get to a point, I'll get on a scale. I feel like at some point to see where I'm at.

But I'm not letting the number on the scale dictate my effort or happiness with my success level to my commitment to my health and my fitness yeah good for you and take an ownership of your life and your health i'm impressed aj you're a guy who's super healthy it's very i don't know you work out every morning right sure i mean i'm sure someone would say oh you smoke cigars the whole time during the show yeah michael jordan does as well i think if anything cigars are healthy you don't inhale yeah it feels like cigars are something that almost say like this person is so committed to their fitness that even when they want to get a little bit of a buzz

they won't allow the smoke to touch their lungs sure maybe but okay you say like i'm super in in, I enjoy working out, but by myself, I don't want to go join a workout group. I don't want to. But I think physically, obviously, you want to feel as good as you possibly can. Therefore, you you want to work out. But just in my brain, it also helps me mentally like I absolutely don't feel right if I don't work out in the morning. morning see that's a feeling that not everybody has i wish i had it i can go about my day not work out eat like fall asleep wake up the next day oh i guess i gotta take a something happened and i'm off and running again and i can just keep it going let's do that thing again and then you get into a routine of doing that

and all of a sudden you're so it is i'm gonna say this with a very straight face not becoming a fat ass is a problem for me it is a real and i think it's going to inevitably happen but it is not easy i like food so much i don't i don't have like the you know what i i want to go because i did at one point want to kill myself in the in the weight room and stuff like that at one point i was going as hard as i could for a lot of part of my life there now i'm like i don't want to kill myself in there but i'm back into it thank god and hopefully i'm not a fat ass if the goal is to not be fat then all you gotta do is do some cardio on that stair stepper and then do some like band work on your buys and tries or something try to look good well it's a

lot of what i'm doing right now but the cardio thing not it... It's hard. Growing up, we're told to do cardio is a punishment. Like, go run. You're late, go run. You messed up, go run. And I think every sport, basically, it's like, except for cross country, where it's like, hey, go run. But everywhere else, it's like running is a punishment. And I think it kind of, for me, it just got to...

I have an idea. Yeah? Food weights. Smart. Like a double quarter pounder. Yes yes just do a couple biceps real quick and then just eat it so then you not only are eating good you're also lifting good exactly that's what i'm talking about have to be bigger than a quarter pounder yeah you're gonna need one of them like five pound steaks go uh what was that burger place had the three pounder uh fudruckers i'm go, what was that burger place that had the three-pounder? Fuddruckers.

I'm going to go to Fuddruckers, take down the three-pounder, and I'll be lifting that. You could eat a three-pound burger, yeah? Probably not. It matters what situation I'm in. AJ, you eat healthy? If I'm sad. Yeah, I think so.

Ever have pizza? Love pizza. I love it. So you eat pizza and you still are able to stay in shape the way you do yeah i mean i don't have like official cheat days or whatever but yeah i'd say you know once a week once every couple weeks we'll order pizza and i love it i could i could probably i can eat a large cheese pizza by myself oh yeah easily so i can have a once a week pizza yeah watch the rock haven't you seen the rocks crazy like cheat meals come on well i love the rock just as much as the next guy but that all feels like a bunch of bullshit to me

his cheat meals oh does it no no no i think workouts and stuff are real i mean he could and he rightfully should be taking everything possible i mean he looks great and he works out super hard bingo but the 45 pancakes like and then washing it down with two full trays of sushi i mean i if he does that ahead he's the rock he probably does but i i just don't know the extent these cheat days are allowed to be because the rock puts out that shit where he's like six cookies and and i'm like is that what a cheat day is supposed to be and then i think think to myself, if that were my cheat days, there's no way I'm stopping. That's the problem, is letting that seep in to other ones.

And then, or the night before, okay, it's almost midnight. My cheat day can start right now. And you're hammered on Friday night or something. It's my cheat day, right? I'm out late. And then you start eating terrible then. It flows into the next day on Saturday. Then Sunday, you wake up.

You're probably hungover. You eat terrible again. It's easy to keep that cycle going. Well, and then I guess alcohol stalls the digestive or something like that in your body. So all the people that get like ridiculously hammered and eat food, you're literally like doing a two-piece on your body because I guess like it can't digest the food

because the alcohol does shrink something, some sort of bullshit. Somebody didn't tell me that until about six years into my bender life. I was like, I can't find my stomach. I just keep getting so fat. Do you eat terribly whenever you're drunk? Yeah, of course. And when I'm sober.

But yeah, when I'm drunk, for sure. They're like, well, that's probably hurting you a bit. So once I stopped drinking, for real, I think I did start feeling a lot better, though. I think that is something. The guys in the office, though, said i stopped drinking for real i think i did start feeling a lot better though i think that is something the guys in the office though said they stopped drinking for like a month and they didn't feel as much of a change for me once i stopped drinking my body felt a lot lot better now it's time to take to the next stop or start or next step eat healthy work out a little bit try to live a little bit longer you know it's a big like that's the thing though you can eat healthy without being the complete douche that can't go anywhere without carrying his own little lunch bag and have all your own food and your jugs of water like you can still eat very healthy

and not like and still live a normal life some people feel like you have this is my life now like i am because don't you run across those people you're like hey i respect you man you're good you're super vascular you're super lean you look great would never want your life because it looks awful and it sounds terrible the meal prep i can't do it digs has been doing a lot of meal prep and i'm very impressed by it that's why digs looks the way he does digs will cook himself like seven meals on sunday night and then put him in little boxes and put him in his fridge and that's what people do they get in things i've never been able to do such a thing ever i have no idea how It's an easy way to do it, so when you are hungry, you don't sit there and go for something terrible

because you already have this pre-made chicken breast or something sitting waiting for you. I would eat two days' worth of food, though, if I got into a moment. That tends to happen on Thursday. I'm surprised, Pat, you're not doing intermittent fasting. I'm surprised you haven't jumped on that one. I mean, kind of.

I guess I'm kind of doing it. I'm only eating when i'm here and then i have like an early dinner so i'm i guess you could say i'm like 17 7 i'm on and off it's good but late night every once in a while i have a peanut butter uh low carb tortilla thing and i just put it down it's so good wait what do you mean you put peanut butter on a tortilla and roll it up yeah well it's i put so much peanut butter you can only really fold it in half you know what i mean but there's this low carb uh tortilla thing i forget the name of it i need it it is so good it'll only three net carbs or whatever right so i'll put it on a pan and i'll kind of toast it on both sides. Then I pull it off, put the peanut butter on there.

Then I fold it in half peanut butter. So it's melting off of it. It's like five net carbs with the amount of peanut butter, or maybe seven cause you're putting two doses worth on. I mean, it's a great meal. That's the only time I'll ever eat off of the intermittent thing. But Terry Cruz says that's all he does is intermittent fasting. That's all he does.

A lot of people do that now and they love it. I haven't tried it. See, I eat late at night. I eat in bed every night. I'm always hungry late. I'm not hungry at normal times, I feel like. You eat wings in your bed? No, but I eat bars.

I eat all kinds of stuff. What's the difference? Same guy that went after Dana White earlier, by the way. I enjoyed it It has a few wingies in bed Like are these Smothered in barbecue sauce? Nah I'm normally like a dry seasoning guy

And then you have your ranch and your hot sauce Dip that you do both in And then you wipe your hands on the sheets Do you live with your fiance yet? It has stopped Since then I can't do that. Do you dip it? Do you live with your fiance yet? It has stopped since then. I can't confirm I have not eaten in bed as much. I mean, guys like to complain about the old ball and chain. It drags them down, doesn't let them do the things that they used to do.

But that is something 100% I'm on board with your fiance for shutting you down, for dipping wings in bed. Like the fact that you're eating wings in bed, if they were dry wings and you weren't dipping them, it could happen. But you have two different dipping sauces right in in bed. Like the fact that you're eating wings in bed, if they were dry wings and you weren't dipping them, it could happen. But you have two different dipping sauces right in the bed. AJ, it's like if you practice something long enough.

Say you practice it for 10,000 hours, which I have. You perfect it and it's just fine. I don't buy that. I bet there's little remnants of ranch and barbecue and whatever. I'm sure there is, but you can't see it. There's little ligaments from the bones breaking in the bed.

Yeah, you find those later at night because you roll it, and it's, like, stuck to your back. You're like, oh, it's pretty good still. That crumb on the bed, though, is the worst. Just a little crumb. If it's from, like, anything that's a little bit of a crunchy, that thing will stab you, too. I mean, out of nowhere, just fucking stab you it makes no sense

to me yeah i mean the hardest thing though i'm sure anyone knows that if you have to weigh in the next day and say you wanted to be light the toughest thing not eating is that's that's somewhat easy not drinking water when you're very thirsty is brutal i think i'm sure you had a few of those no i would i would sweat it out but i you obviously can't drink either so i those wednesday nights for the thursday morning weigh-ins there's been some horror stories that people will never talk about also they can save themselves ten thousand bucks or seven thousand bucks depending on how heavy they are thousand bucks a pound don't come in overweight see you thursday morning well there's gonna be guys that are gonna be shitting their pants all night then because they're gonna drink that uh what's that stuff mineral uh magnesium citrate magnesium citrate

that you're supposed to take before a colonoscopy or something like that everybody's drinking that before jake owen just showed up on television introducing somebody seems to be introducing twitter thing do you see that pat they're doing some twitter thing where i guess on twitter right now some different aaron did it people no they i saw the intros but now there's like almost like a watch along on Twitter with five or six different people. Really? Where they're tweeting though they're not video but they're gonna I don't know that I think you may have retweeted the thing I saw. No. Me? Maybe Danny Cannell because Danny's part of it. Danny Cannell bashed kickers and punters the other day. Oh, no.

That's what I'm saying. I worked some games with Danny a couple years ago. He's a nice guy. Anybody that played in the NFL, by the way, I think you have all the right in the world to bash kickers and punters for whatever you want, whatever slander you'd like to say. But if you're somebody that wasn't in the NFL, I think it's very hard for you to have a good opinion

about how athletic a kicker or punter is because said kicker or punter that you're referencing, all 32 of them in the NFL right now, are more athletic than you fucking are. That is just a factual statement. Darius Rucker did one of them. Oh, what's that? The live thing he was talking about.

Yeah, what is it? It's like Dude Perfect's doing it right now. Dude. Oh, what's that? The live thing he was talking about? Yeah, what is it? They just, it's like Dude Perfect is doing it right now. Dude. Turn it on. The PGA Tour is back on the tee and I'm excited

to be doing live commentary at 1 p.m. Eastern with Golden Tate. Yeah, Golden Tate's on this one right now too. I'm out there probably next week or two. Spend the whole season.

The rest of the off season there. Oh, okay. You know, get a workout plan. Workout in the morning. Get on the course in the evening. I mean, my kids will be out there. I a workout plan. Work out in the morning. Get on the course in the evening. My kids will be out there. I'm going to teach my kids to fish. What the fuck is this?

That's not golf, baby. Is it on the live? No, there's a Twitter broadcast, which is just a podcast while it's being aired. It seems like Darius Rucker and Golden Tate were having a podcast conversation there and on tv it's regular commentary i like it i think it's a smart idea to have a twitter broadcast and a tv broadcast i'm not 100 sure what we just heard was the highlight of the whole thing but i i think that's not a bad idea yeah it's a great idea i mean i would imagine though if you played different clips of our four hour and 50 minute draft show

there's plenty of times where people are like i don't know if that's the most entertaining thing there is yeah well but the nfl also wasn't putting us out there we were putting ourselves out there the pga is putting this out there great point i guess you got to give the pga credit for trying it for just you got to throw everything out there i feel i can see what works i agree especially because the usga tried to take me off the internet last year because I made a clip that was in a fair use situation where I could have took my lawyers and went to the USGA headquarters and really bitch up a storm for trying to ruin our business

and my family's business and my friend's family's business and everything of that. But golf was, I think, a little bit harder on clips and things of that nature on the internet. The fact that they're doing this, hopefully they're embracing a whole new generation. I think this is very good. What's another sport that's very baseball?

Isn't baseball just miserable on clips and things of that nature? Yes, they've been doing that all year. Oh, so the clip that I put out is probably going to get the one that Foxy put together or the fake home run that I hit. That one's probably going to get taken down. No, because there was words over top of it. That will be is strict. All right, AJ, anything else you want to talk about?

Bob, Fight Island, I guess, is going to have good fights. I was wrong yesterday. Yeah, well, so how are they getting them there? That's a long flight. Dana's going to fly them all private or is she going to charter jets? How does it work? Probably charter jets, just like the NFL does and things of that nature. So will all of the fighters that are fighting on that card be on the same jet they're gonna have to meet up somewhere like in vegas and

then go from there so then they'll all have to get tested before they get on the plane i assume because you're all breathing the same air there i don't i don't understand how flying's happening by the way flying's happening they're like well you got to wear a mask when you're in the sky but some air is going to leak out right naturally because i'm breathing then that air that is just going to get put up in the vent and just shower down on everybody else. How's that happen? I mean, why are, yeah, I mean, there's a million questions like that going on right now. I talked to Dr. Myron Roll this morning.

He's a very well-spoken dude. He is impressive. Could you imagine going to college playing football and going to pre-med and then med school and things of that nature? I cannot. Things of that nature just blow my mind things of that nature are really something that i never knew was possible i never knew it was possible for a guy to be able to lift and meet and things of that nature in the football world and then also on the side you know uh do like a uh a study of a brain on an actual dead person while you're in school and things of that nature so the fact that he was able to tie those together makes him i believe one of one i don't

think there's going to be another dr myron rowan when he comes on the show he's saying we're on the other side of this thing we got to continue to be smart. But it felt very optimistic with that combo with him about the coronavirus because we know what the hell we're looking at now. But he's good. I told him he should run for president. I told him he should run for president because there's no other Dr. Myron Rowland from the Bahamas. I mean, well, can he technically?

Was he born in the Bahamas? Great question. Family was when I looked earlier. Great question. Because that's one of the rules, right? Yeah, because Arnold can't run for president. Correct. It says born Houston, Texas.

Let's go. Oh, he's good. Nice. Okay, here we go. About 10 years. 10 years needs to make a run. He's 33 now. Ricky Fowler has a hellacious stash.

You don't like it? What's that? Ricky's wearing a mic. He is. He was the only one that said yes. Justin Thomas said no. And I said that if this was a few weeks ago before JT was on the mic for that challenge,

I would have probably buried him for it. But now that we're on his side because he showcased an incredible personality as opposed to the guy that kicked somebody out of a golf tournament for heckling him a little bit he's 100 right nobody likes being mic'd up nobody likes being mic'd up at all never good especially if it's golfing you like you're gonna be mic'd up for five straight hours and you have to be like all right i'm trying to survive and keep my job here and win a golf tournament like this is my whole life now every single thing i say i gotta worry about possibly them picking up and putting on the air

you gotta have a lot of trust i guess in the producers that they're not going to make you look bad yeah because if you if you have a sam donald i'm seeing ghost situation boom ruined forever for that a lot of people you know people thought espn like did him dirty did you do you think they did when they put that out or nfl films whatever it was i think i mean i think so don't you i think the nfl films even think so too like i think yeah he was he was an older vet they they wouldn't have done that to him the nfl films by the way first class operation i'm saying this in absolute seriousness they're the 33rd owner in the nfl the nfl films productions next level what steve sable put together incredible but i think they felt very terrible about the that going out

because of how nfl films you know the the the respect that they have i think for the broadcast of the game is a massive ordeal and it's one of the main reasons why the nfl has had so much success but when that sam donald thing happened the the NFL films came out with a very strong statement about, we have no idea how this happened. We are very sorry. And I think they fired the person that was in charge of putting it out there. So I think they did them dirty. I think so. Don't you? Yeah, a little bit. I just don't know whoever made the decision to put that out. They probably thought there's no idea it's going to get as much pub as it did and carry on as long as it has. I think that's why you need people that know the game

and things of that nature making those decisions, right? Think about the – no, they had to know that that was going to make him look terrible. They had to. I guess, yeah. You know? And there's probably those moments that you can clip out of everybody's game. I would assume there's moments where somebody's questioning something that happened. Like, man, I thought whenever they were fucking, I thought in this, like in some, either a

coach or a teammate, it's like, no, you got to like, that happens to everybody. If they were just to pull those, if everybody, you could do whatever you want to anybody. I mean, Sam Darnold is going to have to answer to that seeing ghost thing probably for the next couple of years. If I, it'll disappear at some point, but I think that's going to be something that seeing ghosts thing probably for the next couple years if i it'll disappear at some point but i think that's gonna be something that gets mentioned before again oh he's gotta as long as he plays well it'll it'll start to die down but if he doesn't play well it'll continue to live you know that there'll be steins every every away team every way game he has like everything sam seeing ghosts again captain always like all he was saying was hey man like

hey i'm having a rough day this is a tough one today like that's all he was saying all he was saying was hey man like hey i'm having a rough day this is a tough one today like that's all he was saying all he was saying was no i'm you might know you know more than i do i think he thought he was seeing a particular coverage that didn't turn out to be the particular coverage i thought it was going to be right he thought he was seeing things that he was not seeing and that's why you say i'm seeing ghosts is that what you think he meant there yeah i think maybe he saw some unscouted looks that they weren't prepared for. Like you go in with your whole plan. Okay, this is what they like to do on third and short.

This is what they like to do on first down, all these things. And then all of a sudden he gets in the game and things are happening a little quicker than he thought. They're not disguising coverages like they were the week before that. Like all these things. And he's like, yeah, all right, wait. They got me shook here for a moment. I got to find a way to get my footing back.

I mean, I had mono, but that was nothing compared to these fucking ghosts. Yeah, I don't know why. It shouldn't be that, like, such a huge deal. Brooks Koepka up to the tee box here. Par 5, 568. Hole one with a great mustache. The former hockey player hits it a quarter fucking mile, and he and the mustache

like that one i'm glad golf is back i'm glad there's something they got all rafa nadal now is talking on the it rolls right by rory mcelroy's ball to be right in the center of the fairway congrats holy shit that doesn't look like that's not rafa well you only know him with his headband it's a good idea by the pga to try to bring everybody Holy shit. That doesn't look like Rafa. That's not Rafa Nud in the goal. Yeah, it was. Well, you only know him with his headband. This is a good idea by the PGA to try to bring everybody into this thing. Just to talk about it and, like, what? They probably reached out and asked a bunch of different athletes to send, like, little selfie videos introducing players.

Is that what they're doing? I think it's a good idea. They got Aaron, obviously, the intro, Max Homa. I think this is a good idea by golf. It's a good idea. Yeah, it went well with the match, too, the intro, Max Homa. I think this is a good idea by golf. It's a good idea. Yeah, it went well with the match, too, with having Kaka Kala and all those guys who were just watching at home. Yeah, it's good for golf.

Well, you're saying it's good for golf because you're envisioning yourself getting an email. Hey, Pat, you mind putting yourself on camera here for a little bit to introduce Tiger Woods? Excuse me, I'm going to get better at golf, and you'll see me fucking playing an attorney, okay? I'm not i'm not intro on anybody so you're going okay let me get this straight you're getting you got a busy fall you're playing major league baseball no no no excuse me golf oh jt didn't want to be miked but almost hold one out from about 150. sorry no i mean you're saying

you're playing major league baseball as a scab now you're going to be winning a championship with the los angeles lakers bingo next to lebron james and now something i didn't know you're going to be on the pga tour no no that's 10 20 years down the line i got nothing but time with golf you can play until you're 90 yep yeah there's a lot of like 60 year olds on the pga tour really win a bunch of tournaments. Freddy couples, boom-boom couples. And think about how many swings they have. I don't have anyone near. See, I can deal with Jordan Spieth just now.

He just chipped one about a foot and a half in front of him there. I don't have as many swings on my body. I'm still fresh. The body's still fresh. You think your body is fresher than these golfers that didn't grow up blasting themselves against other humans? Well, that is a valid point that I did not consider. Jordan Spieth, four par after duffing a flop shot.

Still representing Under Armour. Not as much hype around Jordan anymore. Under Armour needs to build up his brand because Jordan was the monster for a couple years. And he'll get back to that form But I feel like they haven't done enough to promote him And his shoes and his clothing His shoes and his clothing kind of stink That's why, and I think that's why nobody's really promoting it

But Under Armour has made Leaps and bonds From the terrible designs that they've had Into the next generation But everybody says Jordan Spieth, he was the next one Remember, Jordan was the next one remember jordan was the next one there for a little bit we got this kid from texas his math teachers his caddy he's the guy he's an american he's good he makes things exciting again and then he kind of just fell off

the first time you get successful is difficult i honestly believe that that is something i said that earlier and i think it's true i think the first time you're successful can be a little bit difficult for people to handle. Jordan Spieth got very successful very quickly. Will he be able to get back to that? That is the question, AJ. I think he'll get back to it, but think about it in golf, too.

This dude was playing PGA tournaments when he was in high school. They would give him an exemption to the tournament in Dallas where he's got his high school buddies cheering him on and he's playing well. So he was so good so young. And golf is such a weird sport where one day you can shoot 80,

the next day you shoot 62. Can you imagine when all of a sudden you're not playing well for a full season or two like he's been doing and trying to figure out his swing? That would be brutal. Such a mental game. At 21 or 22, in 2015, he won the Masters, and then he won the U.S. Open and came in second at the PGA. He was on top of the world then,

and then lately he fell off for whatever reason maybe. We're not turning this into a Jordan Spieth hate fest, but if you underarm a guy on a little bit better decorated design stuff, more people would wear it. But our guy Justin Thomas just got a birdie. He's playing good golf. Americans round up four of the top. You do the math.

Eight spots. Justin Rose. Didn't know he was from another country. He's playing great golf. You didn't know? You didn't know that? He's from Europe? I had no idea.

He is. He's from that one. He won the gold medal. Yeah, he won the gold medal. He won the gold medal? Yeah. For us? No.

Anglin. He's not from America, Pat. I didn't know if you wanted to say, you know what? Dual citizenship. I'll go over here for the American squad. Didn't Kuchar win the bronze for the Americans? Yes. Matt?

My guy, Matt? Who won the silver? I'm on it. Tiger, probably. He wasn't there. When did golf get out of the Olympic Games? Recently, right? Within the last couple Olympics?

Yeah, the last Olympics. Didn't some golfers not go? Was it in Brazil? Was that right? Yeah. Because of... Zika. Oh, I remember Zika.

There always seems to be something, huh, around these Olympics? Yeah. Interesting. Henrik Stenson won the silver. I thought so. Oh, yeah. He was hot then. Would you rather win a gold medal in golf, Pat, or the Masters?

How much money does the Masters give you? Over a mil, just in winnings, and then it will greatly boost everything else in your golf life, whether it comes to endorsements and everything, all of it. If I win a gold medal, I have the ability to win the Masters as well. Give me the American gold medal. That'll hopefully get some sponsorships off of that. I'll make some money and then I'll go into masters next.

Okay. What about you? I'll take the masters. The jacket over the metal. Wow. I don't care about the trophies. That doesn't mean anything, but I want to win the masters first and then go get my gold medal.

You don't want to be, I want to put my gold medal on while i'm wearing my master's green jacket okay by the way fair very fair see for me i have my olympic gold medal on while i'm winning the masters you see so that's a little i'm wrong i actually i changed my opinion i want to do what you're doing because you i want to be swinging and watch that thing just hit me in the head like the nunchucks do. They would have to tape that thing into my body like they did with Phelps when he did a photo shoot when he had 45 gold medals taped to his chest or whatever. It would just be maybe every polo from whatever company I make,

the design is just like a gold medal that is on the polo. You know what I mean? So it's not swinging around everywhere. That's a good idea. John Rahm. Don't know where he's from. Spain. He was in the sand.

Just almost hit a volunteer. It's not supposed to be there right in the face. Ended up in the fairway. I realize that's why Rafa was introducing them. They're Spaniards together. Rafa is so good, right? He's this guy. Oh, yeah.

Hasn't lost a French Open in a long time. King of the clay. Maestro on the clay. He's got this thing, right? Yep. Trains with the Spanish soccer team. Right? Oh, yeah.

Do it again. I think that's the sound he makes. I think he's a higher pitched sound. Yeah. If I do. He's so good. It's like him and Federer, right? Those are the two.

Yeah, Federer and Djokovic. Oh, Djokovic. That's our guy, right? He's American? No. Crow Asian. Oh, bitch. Hey, did you read Andre Agassi's book?

Good. I've never read a book in my life, but I will put that one on there because andre agassi what a legend do you read you read a lot of books or do you listen to that one how does that go about happening i don't know if i read or listen to that one i listen to more now lately um but man it's a good book you his upbringing his dad was kind of crazy and driving him and he talks about how he accidentally did meth one time he was wearing a wig a lot of the time when he had that long hair like it's a good book man that hair wasn't real no it was a wig and it once you read the book you realize that once it all came out because andre went from having

this sweet long hair doing commercials and then he showed up for a tournament with like a super buzz cut bald and i'm like oh okay he cut his hair i guess i never really saw the transition from balding to this and then he talks about in his book yeah he was wearing he was wearing like a clip-in rug kind of thing to cover up his baldness it was weird how do you accidentally smoke meth is that uh it's like you're smoking spice i think it was a trainer i don't know if he smoked it or however he gave it to something i don't i forget exactly i think him and mackinrow were out in new york city one time here smoke something. Something. I don't know. I forget exactly. I think him and McEnroe were out in New York City one time. Here, smoke something off of this. I don't know if he smoked it.

Maybe it wasn't meth. It was some kind of. No, I think it was meth. Yeah. Smoking meth? Yeah. Someone gave it to him, a trainer, somehow, and he thought it was something else. I don't know if he smoked it or how he ingested it.

Pretty thankful he didn't get hooked on the old meth there that one time. He hates tennis, too, right? Seems pretty addicting. That's because he was smoking meth. Probably. Well, I think he had the classic overbearing dad that was all over him from a young age on how he needed to win and work and do all this stuff. And I think that was one of the things he dealt with his whole life.

It was like trying to get his dad to look at him and say, hey, you're not the worst. Michael Jordan stuff. Yeah. Marinovich. Todd Marinovich, yeah. Todd Marinovich, yeah. It's Marinovich for sure. life it's like trying to get his dad to look at him and say hey you're not the worst michael jordan stuff yeah marinovich god marinovich yeah it's marinovich for sure yeah well jordan's his dad told him go back in the house with his mom because he couldn't change a tire the marinovich 30 for 30 was serious that was the one where they're him and his dad made up right or something like that i can't remember i'm not i don't think they made up they were on a beach wasn't he on a beach throwing a ball in that? Oh, at the end.

I tried to buy some of Marinovich's art. He was painting. I think in that 30 for 30, they showed him painting on a boardwalk in Venice. I wanted to find that art and buy it. That's what you do. You buy great gifts right there. That is what you do.

By the way, I have a surprise. Write it down, Ty, when I tell you. We have a surprise gift for you. But the best thing is, Ty's's gonna write down surprise gift aj and then ty's gonna come to you in seven minutes and you're not gonna have any any kind of idea of what you were thinking about to get me bingo absolutely bingo but in two days from now i will remember and at that point i will be upset if it's not here and then i'll be reminded that we none of us could remember what it was whenever it happened and then we'll have to wait a week with shipping and we'll get here at a time where it's too late

and then we just move on to the next thing we just move and it shows up and you're gonna forget like who sent us this and you realize you ordered it why the hell do we have marinovich's painting i don't know this fucking guy his it. His art's actually really cool. I got it right here. It's very good. Yeah. Ooh. Look at sweetness.

Can I buy it? Oh, yeah. Go to the football. He went, after that 30 for 30, I think he relapsed and went back to jail. Yeah, he did. What? Mm-hmm. Is he out?

Oh, that's true. That guy still doesn't know where our set is. Still looking for it. He was supposed to join our show, and I guess he got lost finding our set down at Radio Row, we were told. Terry Bradshaw? Yeah. He doesn't have any handlers that can show him the way? Well, we were lied to, but in turn, we just thought about him just aimlessly walking around Radio Row looking for our show, and it was kind of comical there for a little bit.

Just a magazine set. He'll find us on Yacht Week. We will be doing Yacht Week, and we have other massive news that we will break. Tomorrow on McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk, this has been Thursday, June 11th. Thursday, June 11th, the day the world found out that veteran NFL players will be

reporting on July 28th to training camp, the day the world found out, Thursday, June 11th. AJ, you have anything for the people here before we head out of here? No, I think you do a good job of kind of recapping the show and making sure everyone knows what's going on in the world and other things of that nature so i'm okay do you want to maybe congratulate the room on breaking some massive news here oh congrats guys congrats i i really hope thank you our commissioner doesn't come out and announce july 27th as the report date for veterans who says that our commissioner isn't my source Who says that our commissioner isn't my source? You don't want to out your source like that.

Yeah, it's not. But I'm just saying it could be because I haven't said who my source is. You know, I haven't said. Roger Goodell, text with. That is the question. Is there any media members that he will text with? And can he text? He might send voice memos.

There is something where you can speak. Oh, yeah. Speak to text. My old man does a lot of speak to text. And every once in a while, there'll be some words that make no sense. And he'll be like, sorry, speak to text or whatever. I'm like, good move. Good move. So you just talk into your phone and the son of a bitch starts putting

texts out together for you. Yep. Works, too. That's a weapon. Oh, yeah. Huh. Maybe I start doing that. No's a weapon. Oh yeah? Yeah. Huh. Maybe I start doing that. No,

I'll stick with the FaceTime. AJ, we'll FaceTime you manana. We can't thank you enough for watching. This has been MacVianHawk Sports Talk.

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Super Bowl champ, seven-time Pro Bowler, four-time All-Pro, a member of the Indianapolis Colts Hall of Fame, our ring of honor, will be a member of the Hall of Fame whenever the time comes. Out of Syracuse University, ladies and and gentlemen Dwight Freeney how are you baby I'm great I appreciate you joining us this morning let's get right into it uh Jadeveon Clowney is still a free agent right now obviously everybody knows the potential of Jadeveon Clowney he doesn't rack up all the stats and numbers when it comes to getting the quarterback, but he is disruptive in his own fashion.

It has been alleged that he turned down a one-year deal from the Cleveland Browns. If you were Davion Clowney and you had a chance to have Miles Garrett on a D-line alongside of you, how would that have helped him? And if you were him, is that a decision you would have thought about making? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I mean, I think when you have somebody on the opposite side of you, it makes life a lot easier. And what's interesting is that, you know,

this game is about statistics and stats, right, Pat? Yeah. Unfortunately, like, you know, sometimes in my career, even some of my better years, I didn't have the amount of stats, but no one knew it and no one cared. I was out there beating left tackle after left tackle, but only could barely get to more sacks, you know, ahead of you. So truth be told, you know, he needs to have those statistics to really get himself on the next level of things. And for him to do that, I think he needs to play next to somebody else on the other side who's getting a lot of attention. So he can now shine, have those big sack sack years maybe have one big sack year and then after that go into the free agency if that's what he wants to do because when robert mathis showed

up and you guys became 98 93 bring the heat boulevard and let's race to the quarterback and everything like that what was your initial mindset whenever you saw Robert not only transition from a special teamer into a workhorse, into a dominant, strong side, defensive end there? I mean, what was the mindset? You had to be so thankful at that point. Thank God we got a guy over there. Oh, no, absolutely. I mean, to have a guy like Robert Mathis on the opposite side, I mean, it made my life so much easier.

And the thing is, with past rushers, you know, John Turling, rest his heart, you know, rest in peace. You know, look, the more guys to have get after the quarterback, the better. And I don't care if it's three guys, four guys, getting guys off the bench, guys on the opposite side. We're after one thing, and that's that quarterback. So you have somebody on the opposite side we're after one thing and that's that quarterback so you have somebody out opposite side that you know that's going to be bringing that heat like robert mathis did it makes the other guys even more motivated it gives you more

energy you get more one-on-one blocks it's just you know it's what you would want all right so you don't really want to be on a defensive line by yourself and be the only disruptor because you're going to get all the attention you're going to get all the double teams and it's going to be hard for you to get those numbers as soon as i heard there was a chance for him to be with miles garrett i think everybody in the afc north was like oh please do not do that and the Browns had enough money to make that play happen. Jadeveon Clowney allegedly turned them down. I see your shirt you're wearing. We also have that you're on Team Jordan there.

Mike's your guy. What did you think about the last dance? I assume you watched that either before everybody else or at the same time as everybody else. What was your thoughts on that whole thing? Oh, man, it was amazing. You know, it was something that, you know, I know Mike very well over the years. you know, he's like my big brother. And, you know, so I

thought I knew a lot about what was going on, you know, and I only knew half, you know, it was, it was great. It came out a perfect time, Pat, where no one was doing absolutely anything. You know, I was watching the paint you know i was looking for anything on television just to watch to entertain myself man it was tough so when that came on it was literally like you know bucket of popcorn you know feed up you know ready to just get after it for next two hours the he came out before it was released and said that people are going to think he is potentially um a hole of the ass right that's what he said people are going to think he is potentially a hole of the ass, right? That's what he said. People are going to potentially think he's a bad guy. It has come out

that some people that were in there didn't love how they were portrayed. But other than that, getting a chance to see how he, I don't want to say demanding and held people accountable, but watching somebody at that elite level, like you, you were there uh payton is up in that elite level watching people that are great at what they do and live in a completely different sphere robert's one of those guys i mean there's a lot of those people that i've got to see to do it but watch the way jordan did it was insane and then the conversations about him off the feet off the court whether it's in golf oh and that guy, two million bucks or something of that nature. And they only showed, by the way,

him playing golf bad. Why is that? Was that him trying to hustle people, you think? You know what, knowing him, it might have. Listen, I played golf with that guy three to four times a week, and I have never seen him putt like how bad. You know, that grip grip the very first golf

clip that they showed of him putting it was the worst putting grip putting stroke I've ever seen so I immediately text him right after I said really yeah he said look I have one leg up on you if that's how you started you know so hey when I get 55 56 years old watch out you know that's what I said to him but in the end, people are going to say what they're going to say. You know, you can't please everybody, Pat. In the end, you know what? I think it was just a blessing to be able to see behind the curtain of what was going on on that team and what his mindset was. You know, without that, we would have never known.

Okay. Unfortunately, yes, there are some truths that came out that people are going to have to deal with but that is what it is you know that is what happened and he's just they was just recording what happened and letting the world know at a pivotal time because that's what we needed no sports this is great that utah pizza guy he's been telling stories for so long. He's been telling everybody he knows about, I brought pizza to Michael Jordan the night before game six.

I was there. Me and him had a good conversation. And then he's been telling everybody in Utah about this story. And then this thing comes out and he's like, everybody's starting to send him texts. You got him the pizza, huh? Was that you? No, no, no, that was not me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. He might be a hero in Utah, but outside of Utah, he's probably the most hated pizza guy in the world. Team Jordan is donating $100 million over the next 10 years. I know that that Jordan team is a tight group. I mean, it really is. I don't want to say it's – it is. It's like a fraternity for the greats in the sports world coming together.

Were you a part of any of those conversations? Do you still keep up with the Team Jordan stuff? And when did you get into Team Jordan? What year was that in your career? I think it was around 07, 08, around there. You know, it's definitely an elite group. And, you know, he brings certain guys. Not everybody can be on the team. And, you know, he likes specific guys for whatever reasons he likes them. And I was blessed know, a lot of those community, black community out there donating a hundred million dollars over the next 10 years. I mean, it tells you, you know, their commitment into trying to make things better, um, in this crazy time right now. Do you guys have like

summits? Is it like, Hey, everybody, somebody gets like a bird call and we need every great athlete to come down to Florida like do you like like transformers right forms transform whatever so in the end you know what every year there is a summit you know I know in years past they held every summer where people who are part of the team Jordan the brand come together in a certain location. People can golf. You bring your wives, you bring your kids, you go out there. We talk about some of the new things that they're going to think about doing from a fashion standpoint, you know, maybe having a little bit of messaging within their fashion stuff, you know, kind of just talking about how important social media is

and their platforms of different players to get their message out there. So every year, you know, they get together. Okay. And they have like this Jordan summit every summertime to go out there and really, you know, Hey, listen, this is what we're talking about this year. This is what we're thinking about this year. We want your input on how we can become what you want us to become as in brand, Jordan? I was trying to send him my tape to get recruited to Jordan. I thought it was going to be a long shot to be a punter on Team Jordan, but I was giving it my go, Dwight.

Very long shot. You said you played golf with him three to four times a week? Three to four times a week, Pat. Hey, I've heard about his golf games, Dwight, and I've seen you in action too. Those things have to be electric to be a part of, I'd assume. I mean, it's one of the best golfing groups we got. I mean, it's so funny.

It's like you think you know how to play golf, or you know how you think you can play fast until you play with their group. We get 36 holes in five and a half hours to six hours every single time we play. All right? And that's with six guys, Pat. That's not with four guys. All right? It's like four guys, you think, okay, that's going to take eight hours.

No. Six guys, it takes five and a half hours. And it might take five and a half hours because me, because I can't find my ball half the time. It might even take five hours, right? That's insane. So it's just everybody has their own cart, obviously. You get to ball.

You hit ball. I'll see you at the green, basically. Yes, hit the ball. And, hey, listen, if you get hit, oh, well. That's just what it is. That's part of the game, avoiding other guys' shots as you hit your ball. It just brings it to another level. Are you a fisherman at all?

You know what? I went out a couple times. He invites me, and I go out, and I like to fish. But the thing is this. You know, this actually last year was the first time I've ever been fishing. You know, I've never been fishing. My father never brought me up that way. So I had no idea. I like the competitive factor of it. But when MJ goes fishing, it's like, you know, some people go fishing in the morning for three hours and come back. He fishes for like eight hours, man. He fishes for like eight hours, man. So it's like you'll go out, you'll, you know, wake up at whatever, seven o'clock in the morning and you're back at like 5 p.m., like a work day.

I don't know if I like fishing that much, you know, but I do enjoy it a little bit. But this trip, what he's on right now is great. He told me about it prior to that he was going. I told him, hey, good luck. I also told him this. I said, look, I'm you when you retired. Because when he retired, fishing was not part of the conversation. It was all about golf. This is the only thing he worried about was golf. He just wanted to golf, golf, golf. Okay, now he's like 55 or 56. Now he wants to go fishing and stuff like that and drag me along. I'm like, no, I'm doing what you did. I want to be like Mike, right? I want to golf until I just can't golf anymore. And then when I'm done with that, then I'll go fishing.

All right. When I'm 50 years old. How do you feel? How's the body feel? You were always a guy that took very good care of yourself. You had the nutritionist way before the nutritionist world came in. You were drinking the high pH water. I mean, I remember you really taking care of your body before everybody else. How is the body now after obviously a long career of banging around with a bunch of grown ass men out there? Yeah, no, man, knock on wood. You know, it's still doing good. You know, the body feels good. You know, it was a blessing for me. The reason why I retired wasn't because physically I couldn't do it anymore. You know, and I think that was one thing that was a goal for me, you know, when I got later in my career. You know, I got hurt once in San Diego, I think in 2013 or something like that. And I told myself, look, I want to leave on my own terms.

And I don't want it because of an injury of why I left. So I played another three or four years after that. And funny, you know, I tell people when I was, what, in year 16, I felt better than I was in year 10, you know, because of how my body felt. It was actually great. But so right now I'm still feeling good who are those who are those dudes in geese what'd you say you know who i'm talking about those dudes that showed up in karate suits when your ankle was i told this story the other day i was like there was these body gurus that were in full karate geese that showed up.

Because, Dwight, you had like a dislocated ankle or something. I forget. You had this massive ankle injury going into the Super Bowl. And the conversation was, listen, we will take any advice from anybody if they think that we can get Freeney's ankle good enough to play. Because, obviously, the pass game for the Saints was massive. So Freeney could barely walk all week in the Super Bowl. Then Super Bowl comes. This son of a bitch gets a sack in the game, hits a spin move on a guy, makes no sense.

And the only thing I thought of afterwards was like, not only is Aaron Burrill obviously and the entire training staff of the Colts awesome, but these dudes that were in geese. Who the hell were these dudes in geese? Hilarious, yeah. So it was Leon Melman, okay? Leon Melman is a chiropractor and a nutritionist that I've been dealing with. You know, I dealt with his mother first and then, you know, when she passed away, then I dealt with him and he is just a master when it comes to chiropractic,

soft tissue stuff. He's a guy, part of my team that I worked with year in and year out, you know. So it was he was a part of that team trying to get me ready, you know. And it was a blessing that I was in South Florida because his practice was in South Florida. So, you know, when he when he gets ready to go, he puts on that quote unquote karate suit. And then he gets going, man. And he gets he gets after it. And, hey, that was a grade three, I think, ankle sprain, so I didn't even have ligaments.

You know, they weren't really even attached, and somehow I was able to play. They told me I was out four to six weeks for sure, and somehow in two weeks I was able to play. So, you know, big ups to him, man, and him getting me right. Hey, I don't know who he was, but I remember that guy in the gi. If I ever have an interesting situation or I need to get back to something,

I'm calling Karate Kid. Ladies and gentlemen, future Hall of Famer, great teammate, member of Team Jordan, an absolute good human, Dwight Freeney. We can't thank you enough.

Atta boy, Dwight. Thanks for having me, boss. Thank you, Free. I'll talk to you soon. Joining us now is the official authority on baseball in my life and I would assume a lot of other people from ESPN ladies and gentlemen, jet passes. How's it going? boys jet how we see you in normal clothes here.

I did not know that was a thing for you yeah it's uh i i actually sleep in the suit and i just change into this for the show you do this is kind of weird to not see you in the full i mean because 5 30 a.m or whatever you're doing korean baseball on espn full suit i mean you're in a full suit you go on can we can we actually can we actually get to a more important subject no um i saw during the i saw during the break that you was it chugged a full 12 ounce beer in 1.1 second is that what it was yeah that was at the yankee game doesn't get talked about enough because uh other athletes chug uh but i used to and every once in a while

i can get one down there pretty quick right we found out that we were sitting right in the seats that were on television like we we had no idea until about probably third or fourth inning we looked at our phones because you don't have a lot of service in those things and we just got screenshots of us just from people i'm like oh oh my god here we go so we go into the little buffet area we grab up beers all right this we're gonna listen this game's over. They already hit a grand slam. We might as well take this for what it is.

And any right-handed batter, we were right in the back of it. And next time it came on, I was like, here we go. I'm going to get this down. And they're only on that camera angle for only a couple seconds, you know, because they go to the back one for the pitch. So as soon as that thing turned red, I tried to get it down. And sometimes, you know, the throat is just wide open felt like it felt like that was really going through a tunnel down there it was a good i thought it was a pretty good performance i i say this because i feel like

when we get together which is an inevitability at this point yes uh we gotta have a chugging contest i i listen i don't know if i'm gonna beat 1.1 second that's really really good but I can hold my own still yeah I'm pushing 40 I can hold my own a little bit yeah it's on McAfee I want to let you know I I used to be a pretty renowned chugger uh I had to retire the chug because everywhere I went I would literally get challenged like 30 times, 30 times a day. And I could not say no to that. I literally could not say no to it because people would talk like how you were talking right there. And I'm like, okay, this has to happen.

Just so whenever you go back to your friend group and you talk about this, I would like you to see the difference between how you chug a beer and how I chug a beer. So, boom. Normally, I let people start, too to I'm like, go ahead, do your thing. And then it's just like, see you later. Put it down. Walk away. Don't never have a conversation again with us. Oh, yeah. The walk the walk off chug is the way to do it. No question about it. But I feel I feel like I would be a reasonable competitor. See, this is what happens. Everyone. This

is what happens jet. This is literally what happens. And by the way, that's why I had to retire it, because I'm not mature enough to be like, all right, bet's good. Because I'm not mature enough. I am not mature enough. The first time I traveled with Pat, he chugged over 20 beers, and I was astounded. The first time.

By the way, this kid's working for me. I'm his first ever boss. I'm like, hey, this is the game, kid. Let's get to a game. We will chug beers together, by the way,'ll br i'll bring the chug out of retirement because of how much you have done for this show wow i will i will i don't have to do it but i'm doing it Because I'm so thankful for what you have done for this show. Let's talk about it, Jet. Generosity.

It's the least I can do. Jeff, baseball seems like they are at a standoff right now when it comes to negotiation. I talked to Kevin Euclid yesterday. Yeah! I talked to him yesterday, and he broke down why players would hate a 48-game season or anything like that. Due to the rotation of the pitchers and everything of that nature the stats of teams he basically said it's not even real baseball if it's not at 80 games it's not even in his eyes it's not even a conversation is that how a lot of the players feel and it does feel like the MLB owners are

not going to do that at a prorated salary is that going to be the ultimate standoff at the end of this thing that's exactly what it is and the players are incredibly firm right now in their stance on getting paid full prorated salary. They believe that this is a principle that they need to stand behind. Because if you look at the way that the last like five to 10 years have gone for players, like five to ten years have gone for players this is their perspective and how they feel they see something like 30 plus year old free agents you know being told that they should be fitted for walkers and they see you know in arbitration teams taking just really hard line stances and they see something like it you know players call it the punitive renewal.

So the way that salaries work in baseball is if you have fewer than three years of service time in the big leagues, the club can essentially tell you what your salary is going to be. Now, there are some times where it's sort of back and forth, like, hey, we'll offer you this. You say, no, I want that. They'll say, fine, we'll meet in the middle. But if you don't accept what their ultimate offer is, they can pay you whatever they want to. And some people call it the punitive renewal because they can renew your contract for wherever they want. So it's things like this that have really gotten under the skin of baseball players.

They feel like they've been bullied. They've been kicked around. They've been pushed. And remember, the players for decades were the power brokers in this situation because of Marvin Miller and because of Donald Fear and because of the union leaders that they had who stood up and were willing to have labor stoppages to fight for particular rights. The players right now are ready to fight, and they are standing behind the fully prorated salary as their fight. You can see why they would be jaded. I mean, I got jaded in a business negotiation, and it made me hate where I was working. So you can see how those first three years of basically everybody in the league, how you could potentially get jaded if you're being screwed over by maybe just one bad owner or two bad owners or something of that nature.

I'm not saying everybody in the MLB is getting screwed over. I would assume you're not saying that as well. But there are probably situations there where somebody has a friend that something happened to him where he got screwed over or something like that. You carry that in. Plus the fact that you signed a deal for fully guaranteed. Now they're trying to do the whole thing. You could see why players would be very frustrated. but isn't it getting to the 11th hour here and are the players okay with potentially doing an illegal strike which would be a breach

of contract and do it are they like willing to go that far in your eyes this is obviously guaranteed but in your eyes yeah pat we're not in the 11th hour we're in the 111th hour the 11th hour was like weeks ago at this point and that's the the most frustrating part of this entire thing is that the discussions that they're having right now the positions that they're staked out in right now could have been done two months ago like this could have happened it's june 10th today you, it was supposed to happen June 10. Spring training was supposed to start today. So they were gonna, they were gonna start baseball on, you know, fourth of July, like around that time.

So this isn't happening. It's not happening. It's just it is it is incredibly frustrating, I think for everybody involved. And it Listen, I'm not going to be the both sides guy in every situation. But in this particular situation, when it comes to these negotiations, and when it comes to how long they've taken, both sides are unquestionably at fault. Well, by the way, both sides is how you should look at everything. You should learn what both sides of it are and then pick which side you're right. I feel like that is something that we don't always do. Not just talking about this situation, but in general. And I think you're right. I feel like that is something that we don't always do. Not just talking about this situation, but in general.

And I think you're right there. Whenever you can not just blame one person or the other, it's obviously better whenever you notice that there's a gray area where there's potentially both are at fault here. But at the end of the day, I said this yesterday, and I think I heard it from you, but I might have missaid what I said. The players can't even strike, right? And if they strike, it's a breach of contract.

If it's a breach of contract, then all the guaranteed millions and millions down the road that guys are already guaranteed, that's potentially all wiped out too. Do the players have any leverage in this? Just like the punitive renewal, how the players have no say there. The MLB owners can do whatever they want.

Is this that same type of situation? Like when the MLB owners finally just want to say, no, we're done. This is what's happening. They can do that. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately for the players, if you strike in the middle of a collective bargaining agreement, it is going to get taken to a judge and it is going to get overturned instantaneously and you're going to be right back to work and the players recognize this which is why they have acknowledged that if rob manford the commissioner of baseball institutes a season remember that's part of their march agreement that rob manford can set the season at whatever he wants and they're trying to find a happy medium here and get to an agreement on

what that season is if they can't do that though MLB is going to play that 48-game season, and there's nothing that the players can do about it except file a grievance. And that's where it gets really ugly, Pat, and that's where it gets really dirty. And in the grievance room, there's going to be all sorts of discovery requests, and that's going to be for MLB's financials, and that's going to be for the players' associations, communications during this whole thing. And it's just going to set a really bad precedent going into 2021 when the collective bargaining agreement does expire and after which we could see a lockout or a strike. Baseball's dead. That would mean baseball's dead.

If they can't come to a good collective bargaining agreement, which let's assume they'll be able to, but in baseball it takes a lot of people. I mean, there's a lot that has to happen in baseball. I don't. This is not good. Ty is our local baseball fan. We don't have a lot.

You know, there's not a lot of baseball fans out there, but here is a diehard baseball fan in Tymidt and while you were speaking over there he was just sighing this like he's not happy about any of this because the baseball fans are seeing other leagues nhl 2014 tournament they got vegas locked down they're not sure what's going to happen in the east whether it's toronto if canada can get off the 14-day quarantine seems like columbus will probably be it but the nhl is figuring this out they already got players back on the ice they're doing independent skates sticks run uh pucks and everything of that nature then you look at the mls they just okayed a 54 game tournament world cup style in the same place that the nba is going to do a 22 team tournament so the baseball fans are

sitting here seeing all this happen all this happened and then you're hearing the authority on baseball basically be like well there's going to be some grievances and there's going to be this and there's a new cba this is not a good time to be a baseball fan jeff here's my question for you pat we we need to do like a dear pat life advice segment column whatever it is. Dr. Pat McCall. Here's my question for dear Pat. Dr. Pat. If baseball goes away, Dr. Pat, what do I do with my life?

Well, here's a good thing for you, Jet. Although your life has been completely revolving around baseball for my knowledge of your existence. Okay, so since I've known that you have existed on my television with incredible suits, a great fake backdrop, cool albums in the back, but the words that were coming out of your mouth were always good baseball stuff. It was knowledgeable stuff set in a fashion that kept me engaged.

So although your entire existence in my head and probably a lot of people's heads is directly correlated to baseball, I think because of how well you've made a sport that is basically insufferable to watch, kind of sound entertaining, you'll be able to do that with any other sport. So for you, Jeff, I think you're in a good spot. But for those diehard baseball fans

who hate every other sport, and I don't think you're that way. Jeff, you seem like a guy that loves competition, loves sports, loves athleticism. You've just taken a big piece of your heart to America's pastime. I think you'll be able to figure out how to cover another sport in a beautiful fashion. But for the fans that love baseball more than anything, they're going to be in a bad spot. That'll be $700. That was what, $35? And that's what I got.

No, but it's amazing that you can charge $700 for an answer that said absolutely nothing. I appreciate that. That is very well done. Hey, that's psychology, baby. Nobody else. That's psychology, baby. That's business. What would happen?

We're not talking about a potential none-existence of the MLB. I assume if, let's say, let's go Doomsday. Hey, let's do Doomsday. Here we go. We'll do Doomsday. Can't figure it out. They get so jaded at each other. New CBA, can't come to an agreement.

You missed the 2020 season because COVID-19 and then not being able to figure out business. You missed 2021 because you're not being able to figure out business. What happens after that? Is there another league that forms? Is there a Vince McMahon XFL baseball that comes out? Like, what would it be? How do you fix this problem?

Because the MLB owners know we're the only game in town, literally in the whole world, people come to play in our league. I mean, KBO is awesome. The Dinos got hot bats, even though they lost this morning to the Doosan Bears. I mean, that was an upset that none of us expected. But aside from that, the MLB has a monopoly on this thing. How do the players fix any of this? I think that they fix this.

They have to understand, and I'm talking the players and the owners. If they don't get a deal done within the next week or so we're looking at a 48 game season if we're looking at a 48 game season that is step one in your doomsday scenario playing out if the doomsday scenario plays out i mean could you know it's scary to think pat about 2021 when we're not sure if fans are going to be back in the stands and the whole question of economic feasibility pops up again and we're going and playing this entire song and dance one more time so then are you going to have an issue in 2021 and then you don't have a collective bargaining agreement after the season and it's going to be coming on the heels of a dead free

agent period you know i was talking with a player yesterday who's going to be a free agent this offseason and he's like how bad is it going to be and i was like yesterday who's going to be a free agent this offseason, and he's like, how bad is it going to be? And I was like, it's probably going to be pretty bad. I mean, teams are just, you know, they're not going to have anywhere close to the same amount of revenues coming in, and they're not going to want to put large, long contracts on their books because there is such uncertainty, not for the next year, not for the next two years. This is something that's going to have next year, not for the next two years. This is something that's gonna have fallout

five years down the road. And when it comes to, I mean, when you see these sides fighting over a marginal couple hundred millions of dollars, which in the grand scheme of things, Pat, considering the revenues that baseball make is not that much, imagine what it's gonna be like when they're fighting over the billions of dollars that are at stake for the years to come. I just don't see because if you're a free agent,

your entire life, you've worked for this moment to get this in baseball, by the way, I don't know you're texting with I don't know how high you are, you're the authority on baseball to assume it's pretty high, but there's $400 million contracts. There's $300 million contracts, and these things are guaranteed. So you've got these humans that are going into their free agency year. They're like, okay, if I just succeed 30% of the time this next season, I am going to get broken off a couple hundred million dollars. I've worked there my whole life. And now it's like, well, hate to break it to you,

but it might only be 48 games if you guys even want to play that. Then there's probably going to be a CBA negotiation, maybe a lockout. You're probably about two, three years, maybe never going to get that money that you thought. This could be a big change in baseball, especially because that national emergency clause that they have in there. I would assume the owners saw this COVID-19 that was unprecedented and they were like, well, now we have to account for this potentially happening in the future again. We don't know what's going to happen. We're going to see a brand new baseball. Will we see the same great players?

Will this hold any players out from going and playing in the MLB or do you think another league ever happens? I don't see another league happening. Just logistically, it's so difficult. It takes such an enormous amount of money to start up something like that. You wonder about the stadiums. I mean, there are a bunch of hurdles. A couple of bats, a couple of balls, steroids. We can Airbnb that stadium down in Florida. They're giving it away. I mean, I think that is something that's the only way the players have any

any leverage is if there's somewhere else to go. No, no, no, no. I'm going to disagree with you on that. You only way the players have any, any leverage is if there's somewhere else to go. Now, no, no, no, I'm gonna disagree with you on that. You know how the players have leverage, because they're the best in the world at what they do. And we love excellence. Yeah, we do. We like seeing the greats be great. But we also hate hearing about the business side of what the greats expect to be paid. And I think you know, Pat, somebody brought up a great

point to me yesterday. As we see these two sides that are entrenched in their positions and don't want to give, and this is turning into a power struggle, it's almost like they're looking for the dub, right? Like they want to win. Especially because it's public.

And the way that this person said it to me is the owners aren't going to win. The way that this person said it to me is the owners aren't going to win. The players aren't going to win. The pandemic won. And we all have to figure out what to do in the wake of that. And I thought that was a very salient point that this is not a normal collective bargaining negotiation. This is in the midst of something that we could not have fathomed or imagined. And we have to understand that everybody in the end is going to be giving something up. And once they recognize that and acknowledge that, that's when baseball comes back. That's business, baby.

Ladies and gentlemen, the authority on baseball. Ladies and gentlemen, from ESPN, Jet Passon. Hey, thanks for saving the world yesterday too, by the way. I didn't tell your entire story, but I said we can't have the authority on baseball on the show because he has to go save the world. So we appreciate you doing that for the world. Listen, one step at a time, man.

One good deed, one kindness. Everyone just try to do that once a that for the world. Listen, one step at a time, man. One good deed, one kindness. Everyone just try to do that once a day, and the world will be a better place. And one final question. Your Twitter cover photo, it says, Jeff Passan isn't here while Stone Cold Steve Austin's ass is walking by you, I believe. Is that Stone Cold? Who is that? That is Stone Cold.

Man, you got, like, do you know Stone Cold's ass that well? Well, I know wrestling. That was a very Stone Cold Steve Austin look while walking by there, especially the Raw is War era. Were you front row right there trying not to tell your parents you weren't there? What is this? Do you have a little time for this story? Yeah.

Because it's a little bit of a story. Okay. Three minutes. We have three minutes. Literally, that is the max we have. So get it together, Jet. All right. Senior year in high school 1998 i believe it was middle of march buddy of mine had gone to a wwf at the time event and had just a bad experience i don't know what it was so he calls up stanford says i had a terrible time. They're like, fine. Next time Raw is in town, we will give you front row corner seats on the aisle.

WWF taking care of people. So he has two tickets down in the corner there. This is not just an average Raw, Pat McAfee. This is the Mike Tyson Stone Cold Steveyson stone cold that's a big raw yeah this is like one of the great raws of all time and my friend has two tickets and has two people to decide between either me or our friend chaz the dick goes and picks Chaz. Unbelievable! And so instead of me getting to go to the show, he said, don't worry,

I will make sure that you get on TV. Brings a sign to the show that says Jeff Passan isn't here. And as Stone Cold is walking out for the segment with Mike Tyson, Jeff Passan isn't here.

It gets on USA. There we go. You're a part of moments in WWE history that gets talked about and replayed thousands and thousands of times. And that's why if baseball stops, you'll always be good. Pat, next time I'm on the show with you, remind me to tell you about my voicemail message by The Rock. That's a good one, too. Oh, he left you a voicemail?

Oh, no. No, no, no. My outgoing message back when we had answering machines was The Rock. Smart. I mean, that's a good one. I'm not a bad person. If you smell! Not bad right there. I appreciate you. Ladies a good, not a bad person. If you're smart! Not bad right there. I appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Passan.

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