The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 214 - 4 Super Bowl Rings.. Mark Schlereth And Legend, AJ Hawk Stop By For An Incredible Tuesday

Episode Date: June 16, 2020

On today’s show, Pat is joined by 3x Super Bowl Champion, 2x Pro Bowler, member of the Denver Broncos 50th Anniversary Team, and good friend of the program, Mark “Stink” Schlereth joins the show. Pat and Mark discuss his thoughts on the Broncos upcoming season and he tempers expectations as the Broncos have a nucleus of young players still finding their footing in the NFL. They also chat about why the Chiefs are so damn good, and Pat commends Mark on his work bringing awareness to social injustice as Mark shares a similar feeling to Pat about trying to get that locker room atmosphere to bleed into society (:41-17:59). Next is another edition of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ discuss the Mark McGwire/Sammy Sosa 30-for-30 “Long Gone Summer,” and how prominent steroid use was at the time, and how it would have been difficult to turn down juice when the MLB was looking the other way. They also chat about the fact that the MLB is probably dead, whether or not they think the NBA is going to come back, and the leaked news that Zeke Elliott is one of the Cowboys who has tested positive for Covid19. They also chat about the PGA Tour event from over the weekend, everything else going on in the sports world, and share a couple of stories (20:06-2:05:47). Don’t forget to send in a picture of where you’re listening to the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch. As always, we appreciate you guys rocking with us. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello it is tuesday june 16th good convo today hey good convo today you know not every show is a banger but i think today is one that you're gonna say you know what i'm happy i listened to pat mcfee show 2.0 and if you do like this show go ahead and tell a friend you know ground and pond let's get a little boots on the ground mission to spread the love of the podcast if you didn't like the podcast though they'll just act like it never fucking happened hashtag this where i'm at pat take a picture where you're listening where you're hanging out at to the show we're putting something together that's rather special and we hope you're a part of it let's get to this damn thing shall we

we shall joining us now is a three-time, three-time, three-time Super Bowl champion, two-time Pro Bowler, and a member of the Broncos' 50th anniversary team. His body has incurred 29 surgeries. Ladies and gentlemen, Stink Mark Schlerer! Yeah, Mark! Got it, Mark! Yeah, thank you, thank you. That's an absolutely unbelievable introduction there.

Thank you, Pat. Well, it was your life I just read back to you. You know what I mean? So, hey, an incredible life that you've lived. Hey. Hey, great job, Mark. Great work. I just saw a tweet that you put out about a headline being a bit misleading

where it was alleged that you said that the Jerry Judy hype should be dumped a little bit of cold water on it. You said that the headline was misleading. Before listening to it, I assume that you're saying it's not easy to become a rookie wide receiver in the NFL and have success, but with the videos that you're seeing from his workouts and him getting after it during this quarantine as a young guy and what he did in college and with drew lock potentially being a you know a guy that has the swagger and confidence to handle this type of stuff what are you expecting from the broncos offense and jerry judy in particular this year well i mean jerry judy's an unbelievable player there's no question about it and you like you said i mean his body of work throughout his collegiate career has been exceptional so um and

you see the videos i mean his his fluidity of movement his movement skills are unreal um there is a big transition going from college football to the professional ranks and you know one of the things i always try to tell the denver fans because they get really excited you know and everybody talks about well you got to match the speed of the Kansas City Chiefs. Well, hey, good luck with that, right? They have continuity, and they have, you know, Travis Kelsey, and they've got, I mean, listen, Patrick Mahomes is a unicorn. That guy takes a dump.

It's Rainbow Sherbert. Like, you could sell it on the street corner and make a fortune. So, like, he's that good. And they've got Tyreek Hill, and they've got Hardman. They've got so many great players, and they're in a good and they've got Tyreek Hill and they've got uh Hardman they've got so many great players and they're in a system that they've been doing with Andy Reid forever so they've got continuity um you know I look at the Broncos and you've got a guy like Drew Locke who was really good his rookie year from the standpoint of you know he definitely has arm talent and all that but I thought third downs and i thought just

maturity level and i thought some of the things he did were exceptional but now you have two rookie wide receivers that you're counting on right you've got a plethora of younger you're tied into second year player you got another rookie tight end um that you drafted uh you've got courtland sutton who's the the veteran, is only going into his third season. He was raw when he came out of college. You've got an offensive line that's got issues that's going to be anchored by a rookie center. Like, there's a lot of – and you've got a new offense coordinator,

Pat Shermer, that has consistently been the bottom third of the league as far as sacks given up his offenses are. They're primarily a three-wide wide receiver set. And, you know, you've got a left tackle that leads the league in holding in every year. So all I say is, hey, guys, before we put them in the Super Bowl, let's actually let them play a little bit of football and see what they become.

So, you know, if you want to call that throwing cold water on it, sure. I just like to give you a little bit, a dose of reality, you know, before you buy Super Bowl tickets. That's all. Well, I will say the people that say, well, I'm realistic and reality, a lot of people say they're a bit pessimistic, but it does sound like there are some problems that are going to potentially pop up for this Denver Broncos team

that I didn't know about, I didn't hear about. So I assume what you're saying is, hey, they're going to potentially pop up for this denver broncos team that i didn't know about i didn't hear about so i assume what you're saying is hey they're gonna be a young squad but it's gonna take a couple years to get there that's just the nature of the beast that is the nfl and that's why continuity is so big for the kansas city chiefs and that is the by the way the chiefs they bring in clyde edwards hilaire they somehow still have tyreek hill on that team then the afc it very much looks like that Chiefs team for the next, what, five years is going to have a potential stranglehold on the whole thing, and the Broncos just have to sit there and play them twice a year. There's no question.

I think that one thing, the other thing that nobody gives credit to, other than maybe me and smart people like you, is when you watch the Kansas City Chiefs, it's phenomenal. I mean, it's unreal how often they get four or five guys out. I mean, they constantly do it. They play what we call 5-0 protection, meaning our five, we've got your five, let's roll. Like, this is street ball.

And because they have two bookend offensive tackles and eric fisher is an unbelievable athlete mitchell mitchell schwartz who's an absolute technician um i can't tell you how many times they just say hey 80 of the time probably just watching film they just say hey get all five guys out and if they do break down a protection then patrick mahomes you know scrambles around which is like that's the worst thing that can happen to you as a defense, because once he starts playing street or street school football or schoolyard football, that's when those 70 yard touchdowns go over the top. I mean, they are they're a nightmare.

And so, yeah, I mean, I agree. I think the Kansas City Chiefs are the class of the AFC West. And if you think you're just matching them with speed, I think you're stupid. Like, that's not how – like, the teams, they've lost eight games in the last two years, including the playoffs. The teams that have beaten them have ground out first downs, have eaten up time of possession, have controlled the clock, and they still win games 30 to 29. You know, it's 34-31. Like, you still barely beat the damn Chiefs. The Chiefs have it for 18 minutes, and they still find a way to hang 30 on your ass.

You know, so, like, you're just not going to outrun them or out-athletic them. It just doesn't work that way. So you've got to be able to match them. You've got to be physically, you've got to be dominant. you've got to be able to match them. Physically, you've got to be dominant. You've got to be able to run the ball. You've got to be able to keep Patrick Mahomes on the sideline. And if you can't do that, you just won't beat him. You have to keep him on the sideline literally for 50 minutes.

Maybe even more, by the way. They scored, what, 28 points in, I think, three minutes in that one quarter in the playoffs. Right. We're not talking about a regular three minutes in that one quarter in the playoffs. Right. We're not talking about a regular-ass game. We're talking about playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs. But let's pivot a little bit because I've seen you go to work for the movement that's currently happening in America.

And what I'm about to say to you is a compliment. I want you to know that. But as an older white, okay, you're an older white you to know that but as an older white okay you're an older white i believe you're an older white that is a lot of who i think a lot of people that have to have these conversations and think about it because i think granted you and i were very lucky to be in a locker room and get a chance to learn about a lot of people but there's a lot of people that are kind of set in their ways where these protests and the movement and the message is kind of being shown to them in for i don't want to say force but they're kind of open their eyes to it the first

time how much of a responsibility have you felt to kind of get out ahead of this and say like hey listen this is something that really has to happen because i think you've been doing an immaculate job i honestly do believe that i don't think anybody would expect you by the way to be a guy that you are and i think the fact that you, a lot of people are learning about Mark Schlereth and saying, hey, that's a guy I can get behind. Listen, you know, you and I were blessed to be a part of a locker room for a very long time. And one thing you start to learn is that what separates us from differences, there are far more things that connect us than there are that divide us or separate us, right? Skin color is, you know, we all see it, right? But when you start to invest in each other and you start to believe in one another and you start to really love one another and you start to understand that we are connected and there's very little that

actually makes us different then you know one of my favorite scriptures is paul writing the church of philippi and he's writing from prison now if i'm writing you from prison i'm asking you to come bust my ass out but paul is writing to the church and he's actually encouraging the church and um he says in chapter two verse two he says make my joy complete by being like-minded of the same love united in spirit do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another as more important than self and that's the beauty of a locker room. When you're a good team, you don't care about yourself as much as you care about the guys that you play with. And when that becomes part of what you are and who you are, then it's amazing what you can do

collectively as a group. It's amazing how you can put your differences aside and play for one another. And I just wish America had that experience that we've had. Now, I will say this, Pat, I've been insulated. Like, I haven't really thought about what my brothers have had to go through because I'm so connected to them and I love them so much that I don't think about it. Like, when I looked at the kind of father and the kind of husband I wanted to be, most of the strongest role models I had were black men. It was Charles Mann and it was Art Monk and it was Monty Coleman and it was Daryl Green. Man, I aspired to be those guys when it came to my family, when it came to my Christianity, when it came to everything that was about me. I aspired to be those guys. came to everything that was about me.

I aspired to be those guys. And I've been very consistent on this from day one when Colin Kaepernick started to kneel down. Like, I don't know about you, but I said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning when I went to school. And I put my hand on my heart and I said, you know, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. To the United States of America. Oh, God, now I've all of a sudden forgot it. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United states of america oh god now i've all of a sudden forgot i i pledge to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all i didn't say with liberty and justice for some i said liberty and justice for all and you know ultimately i think about my own life and i've talked to my black friends about this like

what i told my kids like i didn't tell my kids, Hey, if you get pulled over by the police, you know, put your hands up and, you know, and, and make sure you're respectful. And, and, you know, because it like, it could be like, you could be discriminated against. I told my kids, if you get pulled over police, I'm going to whip your ass. Like that's, that was my commentary to my kids. Right. And so there is a difference and like i said i've been insulated so i didn't recognize somebody from nascar said it and i just completely agree with it and you know wish i would have said it but i didn't i can't remember who it was but they said hey just not being a racist isn't enough

like we have to be out in front saying equality is important and loving each other is important and um and like i'm not afraid of that like there are so many people and change is interesting because it's not actually the change that i think once you're in it it's not the change that's scary right it's the process of change that is scary. Like, what does it do to my life? Like when I left ESPN and went to Fox, it was the process of that change that was scary. Once I got there and started calling games and started, you know, and started doing studio work for him, it was awesome. But it was the process of going, I don't know what I'm getting into. That scared me. But once I got through it, it was fine. And so people are just afraid of that process. And you have to embrace it

and understand that we're in this thing together. And how are we going to make, how are we going to make America love one another and be connected to one another and get beyond our own selfishness and our own fears? And I think the interesting thing about it, I said, we'll see you tomorrow because our radio break went through there. We're still live on YouTube, but I think what you were saying was so damn good.

By the way, took us to church there for a second. He took us to church. I can do that too. You're right though. It's a hundred percent. And that's why i think watching you kind of say these things was big i think for a lot of people because your generation but i don't want to say your generation my generation we're all kind of linked together here and i think in the future we'll look back and say who who are the people that were like it's not about burying one particular race it's

about lifting up another one. And I think, you know, it's just a very, I think we're in a very important time. So I've appreciated everything that you've been saying this entire time, because I know it's probably rather easy for you to kind of sit back and not do it. I assume you're catching a lot of heat for some of the stuff that you've been saying to people. And that guy that was spoken for NASCAR, I'm happy you didn't quote Kyle Larson. But yeah, the NASCAR said it's not just about being against race. It's about coming out and saying it. I think we're in a time where judgment I think is really potentially going to take a backseat to people getting to know each

other. And I hope that's the case. I honestly do. I hope so, Mark. I do too. And I think it's a fascinating time in our country with our culture in general to really start start to you know unselfishly understand one another understand the the issues that present us you know uh we always talk about having clarity in 2020 vision well like we're getting it right now right oh yeah and um and i think it's i think it's a really i mean as as sad as it is and as hurtful as some things are and is devastating you turn on the news and it's just like lord have have mercy, I got to turn this off. But the bottom line is we are in a position like this can be the catalyst for unbelievable change in our country. And we need that.

And we need to be united. And so I just think it's a really cool, very interesting time. And I hope people listen with softened hearts and really listen. You know, do you listen to respond or do you listen to hear? Because unfortunately, a lot of us listen to respond. Like we just can't wait to say, yeah, well, what about, you know, instead of really listening to hear, really listening to understand, I heard a comedian say, you know, like Black Lives Matter offends you? You know, just that Black Lives Matter offends you? Really?

Like if your wife says, hey, honey, do you love me? And you say, oh, baby, baby, I love all women. Michael Shea, right? How's that going to go over for you? I don't know who the comedian was that said it, but 100%, we all matter, but the fact that some of us have been oppressed for 400

years, yeah, we should be lifting you up. Yeah, we should be making equality important in our lives. I'm 100% for that. I'm really glad that we're going through this as a country, as hard as it is. Nothing that I've ever done that has been easy, like everything that I've ever done from a success standpoint has come with sacrifice and come with some pain. And that's the way it has to work. And so I'm glad we're going through it.

I agree. And your comparison to whenever you change jobs or whatever the transition process is always one of a lot of question marks and once you get a little bit but i feel like the next five years ten years however long it's going to be i think we are making that transition for the first time a long time people are listening and i'm happy that's the case uh before we let you go here can't thank you enough for joining us your kids throwing 94 and 95 miles an hour is that what's happening he's my kid's old you know he's 34. uh and we threw a rhapsody bullpen um in castle rock colorado last friday um so we sit 94.95 and uh throwing heat but he's getting like the average major league curveball breaks about 15 inches he's getting 90 he's getting 19 18 19 inches of vertical break at 6300 feet

so he's throwing it a thousand feet above mile high so he's not at at sea level he'll get 23 24 inches of vertical break he is he's got one of the nastiest curveballs in baseball, and we're just trying to get him an opportunity to get back in. He might have it. He might have the opportunity, by the way. It sounds like a lot of players might not play, and the MLB is going to put a season out there. I want to let you know, though, tell your kid, he lets one of those hang.

Oh! If he gives up the cement mixer. You'll go yard on that. Mark. I love every conversation we have together. I really enjoy you as a human. Well, I appreciate that. I, uh, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.

Thank you so much for having me on. And thanks for tackling these difficult conversations because they're important for all of us to have them. We have to have them, Mark. Once you have them, you learn more, you move on. Amen to you as well. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Schleyer. Today's show is brought to you by Lisa. Lisa mattress is the mattress that I'm laying on currently next to my lady and our pit bull and Sharpay. Chuck the Corgi now sleeps outside the room. Locked out. Still inside the house, outside of the bedroom. But he can kind of run and shit and piss wherever the hell he wants just outside of the

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I don't know Mark fucking McGuire Come on They showed this shot of him last night a lot Where he was just sitting there Eyes wide open Just They showed this shot of him last night a lot where he was just sitting there, eyes wide open, just... I was so intrigued by that 30 for 30 last night.

I don't think they dove in deep. By the way, welcome to McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. I am Patrick McAfee. To my left, brought to you by Adidas, AJ Hawk. Are you an Adidas guy? I didn't know that. Click clack, bro. Click clack.

Click clack. Click clack. Click clack. Click clackack i'm all over the place really i guess i technically kind of worked for adidas doing those high school games adidas was the sponsor so i have a ton of adidas gear hey by the way free gear i'll work for you too no big deal but the click clack there he is um that 30 for 30 last night it was right during backlash where our guy drew mcintyre defended his, by the way, with a big W. Shout out Drew McIntyre, friend of the show, guest of the show.

We told him he was going to win. He went and won. Randy Orton and Edge had one of the best wrestling matches I've seen in the last decade. Was definitely worth the hype. I don't know how the fuck they were able to pull it off. They did. It was awesome to watch. But then when the 30 for 30 started with a long gone summer or whatever the hell it was talking about 1998

I was nine years old when all that was happening so it was nice to take a trip down memory lane I didn't know that going into that season it was already expected of McGuire to hit a bunch of homers because the year before he did that I didn't know Sammy Sosa came out of nowhere I didn't know that the record breaker was against the Cubs. I mean, there was a lot of cool moments there that we got to learn about. Didn't really dive into the steroid scandal until they all put it in Barry Bonds' bat. But I want to ask you this, AJ. If you were playing in the MLB and 1994, the season was lockout or strike or whatever the fuck it was, it almost collapsed completely.

And you're looking around, and the MLB is in testing for steroids, which basically means they're promoting. I don't want to say they were promoting it, but if you're turning a blind eye to something and not testing for it, you are definitely not saying we don't want that in our league.

But if you're Mark McGuire or Sammy Sosa or any of the pitchers that I assume are on some shit, and you see everybody around you on it, and the MLB is not testing for it and your sport is at the lowest it's ever been and when these big barbarians are taking this and this sport's on the rise it'd be hard I think it'd be hard as a human to be like you know what I'm not gonna take steroids because I'm I'm morally I'm morally a better person than you well your ass gonna be out of the fucking league pretty quick because when I pick up this

fucking telephone pole and swing it you are are going to be in a fucking problem. I feel like that's what I took away from him most last night is I feel like I was very hard on the baseball players that get caught up in steroids because in football, if you take steroids or a recovery agent, you are potentially fucking somebody else out of a job, out of a career, out of a dream and everything. But whenever they start talking about it, they weren't testing for anything. There was zero regulations. It's like, it'd be hard not to be like, yo, give me everything that makes me hit this fucking baseball to places that it's never been before. Like over the bush light sign out of the fucking Dodgers stadium. It'd be hard to say. I honestly believe it would have been hard to say no to that, especially if I'm Mark McGuire.

I mean, it would have been really difficult to take that stand and say, oh, I'm going to take like the moral high ground. I'm going to do it my own way. I'm going to do it the natural way. I mean, I know a guy that was a catcher for 10, 12 years in the minors, only had a tiny few stints in the majors, and he lived through that era. He remembers he would tell me he was a catcher, and he was catching in a spring training game for Mark McGuire,

and he says all he remembers is Mark McGuire digging into the plate, digging in, wiggling his foot. He could see the veins through his pants. And he said he knew right then, like, all right, I don't think I'm going to make the big leagues. I don't think i'm gonna make the big leagues i don't think i'm gonna ever get up there like consistently and he said he had to truly like think about it for a while he's like it wasn't like a known thing that everyone talked about but he knew like hey if i get on the juice i might have a better chance and he never did it he never really made it to the majors but he lived through that era and i

think a lot of guys probably were in that same situation so shout out to that guy for being able to say you know what i'm not gonna to i'm not going to risk my future health which it is the amount of studies and research i've been on steroids and how bad it is for your body in the future and i respect the people that are able to say no but when the league isn't testing for it or even looking at it and they know that i mean ty said that he remembered back in the day he had to be very young at this point but whenever mark mcguire was doing interviews there was a bottle of like andro over his shoulder like that was on purpose they didn't go into that they should have

gone to that in the documentary they're in the different books i think jose canseco's book he said mcguire was smart he put that up there on purpose because you could buy the gnc at the time it was legal and he say no i'm not taking the juice i'm just taking andro it's right here look i can buy the gnc and so that was put there like it was almost a plant for the reporters to see but as a 2020 eye okay these eyes right here these eyes i actually am 2014 now just really after the lasik i see 20 feet is 14 feet some people 2020 i used to be like 2080 a little bit of a squinting issue james winston same Really? After the LASIK, I see 20 feet is 14 feet. Some people, 20, 20. I used to be like 20, 80. A little bit of a squinting issue.

James Winston, same type of thing. But with these eyes, I was watching those highlights from that 1998, 1980-something season, all that shit. I was like, man, every one of them is taking juice right now. I mean, you could just look at Mark McGuire and be like, well, that looks like a human that's inflated more than he's supposed to be. And then that human looks like they're on some shit too. I feel like everybody knew, I feel like everybody knew everybody was on stuff. And then when it all came crashing down was the voluntary test, 106 people. And then the Balco scandal, it's just like, I think baseball was put in a tough position strictly because they chose to not test for it

and turn a blind eye to it and then whenever it got out of control i would assume at some point somebody in mlb was like hey whenever all the people find out that every human that's our stars are just just taking horse drugs i mean that could be bad for us but fuck it let's just ride the wave until it ends up in gongers yeah kevin euclid said it he said he'd come in some uh trainer preseason whatever and he'd say oh you had a good offseason. Clearly you were doing something different. That's a whole different professional athletic world than the NFL locker room.

The NFL locker room, there's no talking about it. It's not something that's, like, promoted. Everyone assumes, though, Pat. Everyone assumes that, like, everyone in the NFL is on juice. And I'm like, if they are, they have to find some new designer steroids that nobody knows about yet because you get tested all the time. For instance, deer antler spray that wasn't being tested for, but that's just like one of many things that guys take guys are on guys have supplements that they take or something

like that. I mean, everybody, it's not a common conversation for people to have, by the way, because if, if somebody is on a supplement, like AJ's on a supplement, supplement for instance the on it commercial that aj's on that's making its round on instagram right now but let's say aj is on some by shout out to you by the way joe i don't know business i mean i know i've done stuff for them and what i don't know what commercial you're referencing oh you'll see it just go on the internet it'll pop up in your timeline at the moment they're taking advantage of the hotness that is aj hawk at the moment but if you give me a supplement and i fail a test i'm probably going to hate you forever so there wasn't even like even a lot of like sharing of supplements the conversation in the nfl locker

room and i might be completely ignorant here and i feel like i talked to a lot of people in the locker room and a lot of there was not a lot of conversations about any of that like none of it because because those supplements they could be tainted just by being on a conveyor belt that some other supplement was on that had some shit you're not supposed to have. So there was, like, all these things. And guys would try to find stuff that was, like, beating the testing. I think there was probably guys that did that. But in the NFL, I feel like it was a much different world than the MLB back in the day. And I would assume the MLB now is much different than the MLB was back in the day watching that last night was the most eye-opening it was like

everybody in there had to know that oh this guy just hit 60 home runs last season 70 hormones this season 16 in the history of the game this has never happened everybody had to know it was just the mlb didn't do anything about it well they got too far it was it was already too far gone it's like uh what made off in his ponzi scheme like you always wonder what was the end game here man and he kept thinking like all right i'm gonna figure this out if i get enough people to keep giving me money i can cover it up i can figure a way out of this i think major league baseball was in a situation where they weren't testing it wasn't an issue for a while then all of a sudden these guys take over the world and you saw the one thing if you watch that too much success too much success what's that

sorry what'd you say well i'm just thinking of the mlb commissioners and the people at the top they're like oh we're having too much success right now our ratings are too high we have too many fucking eyes on us right now there was somebody in like some some office building like we gotta fucking slow we need people to stop looking into us right now there had to be that type of stuff happening yeah it got it got like too far down the road to where you're like all right we all of a sudden can't start testing the middle of this of a season at some point we know something's gonna happen here like eventually the bubble's gonna burst and everyone's gonna know that all these dudes

are juicing but our game has never been more popular and guys are hitting home runs down the road out of the stadium. Bouncing down the street. It was like Tin Cup when he fucking hits that ball. It was bouncing down the streets of Chicago. You saw 2,000 people sprinting down a street in Chicago trying to get a home run ball that somebody just took 7,000 feet off of a pitch. It was awesome, by the way. Every night was a home run ball that somebody just took 7 000 feet off of a pit it was it was awesome by the way

every night was a home run derby potentially i mean watching that back i was like man that's baseball like that i remember it a little bit like i was well i think i was 13 or so around that time when all of this was happening and it made me remember like oh yeah this is that's when i watched baseball like this i remember this now like it was so exciting like every i think they would cut in towards the end they would cut in towards every at bat that so sir mcguire would have wherever they were playing just because you wanted to watch them hit dingers and i would have loved to go to one of these games i never did when i was a kid it would be fun to go to a game when mark mcguire was really in his prime 5 000 people showing up at bp they were televising batting practice for this fucking guys. Now we're

at a point where the MLB season looks like it's not going to happen. The MLB players association gave the MLB owners and Manfred a deadline saying, Hey, if you want us to come back, we need a roadmap by the end of today. So they got what? Three and a half hours, I guess, to make that happen. They say, tell us whatever you want to do. Tell us your plans. Let's figure this out. All the players just assume that the owners are delaying because they want a shorter season because they want to pay as much. The owners are saying that the players aren't negotiating in good faith, which they said, which means they could potentially breach contract because I assume negotiating in good faith is a part of the contract. I mean, this is getting messy. What if somehow, some way, they come to an agreement not to test for steroids anymore?

What if this is the conversation? We all just saw the 30 for 30. We all remember when baseball was good. There's no way MLB could do that. There's no way they could just stop testing for stuff and promoting almost their players to do that. They could without saying it, though. They could somehow.

That would save baseball. That would save baseball. That would save baseball. Yep. If that was to happen again. Now, granted, whoever is taking it, their lives are getting shortened, and science has proven that it's not good for you. But that is a way, I think, sports talk shows,

Pat McAfee says that the MLB should start pumping steroids in their players. But really, if you look at last night, they took over the world. talk shows pat mcafee says that the mlb should start pumping steroids in their players but really if you look at last night they took over the world i forgot how much they took over the world every stadium was packed out every single stadium was packed up the world revolved around baseball there for that summer and that the only reason why anybody's revolving around baseball right now is for bad reasons and i don't think in 2020 you could be a league that goes we're not testing for weed oh really basketball dude or any of the steroids take all the steroids boom see you later pitchers are just gonna be like god damn it now we're back this whole thing i think that's what baseball would have to do. It's losing traction.

Do you think the same amount of guys would take it now, though? Oh. I don't know. I don't know either. I think now they're all scared of tainting their legacy. Like, McGuire and Sosa both, Barry Bonds, all of them. What they did. Like, yeah, you could say, sure, I may have juiced.

But that didn't help me see the ball better. It didn't, like, really help my reaction time. It obviously gave me more power, probably helped me fight through some nagging injuries that would have sidelined me before, but I still had to hit the ball and make solid contact. Well, long seasons, too. You would think something that helps you recover is 162 games in 185 days,

they said last night. Well, I didn't know that was the schedule. That's why HGH became very big, too, in Major League Baseball. I know a guy that was on the Mitchell Report. He was like, ah, no one cared about me, but I showed up on there. I think he was talking about doing HGH one season. He said he was in year 15 or something. Someone said, hey, how many Advil Tylenol do you take a year?

He's like, I don't know, eight a day at least. He's like, your liver's dead, man. You're going to be killed. Why don't you take this injection of HGH? I think maybe maybe once a week i don't know how many times he had it but he said it was amazing he's like that season i felt great he's like now i was too old to really do anything about it but i still felt really really good and wish i had found this earlier in my career so what do they do they just have people hanging around the locker rooms like hey we got this we got this it's like uh when you go to washington dc and you see the guys with the

fake oakleys and shit like all right we got hgh over here like when you go to Washington, D.C., and you see the guys with the fake Oakleys and shit, like, all right, we've got HGH over here. Go to the guy in that corner. All right, you want some of the horse shit that'll make you stronger and run faster? Go down to that guy in that corner. I wonder how that all works. Does it all revolve around one guy, like the Balco guy who said he had to put Maynard and Maris to sleep every night? He said, I mean, that Screwball documentary was interesting. I just don't know where these humans come from that have all this because these are scientists that their only objective is to make the human perform at the highest possible level and to get around tests like that's what these scientists are doing who who meets how do they well mcguire's one brother is a professional bodybuilder so i know he he wrote a book, too, talking about them two taking steroids together.

I assume Mark does not talk to him anymore. Well, from the little research I did on this guy, I think Jay McGuire, he wrote a book talking about it, but he said he didn't do it to try to disparage his brother. He was just kind of documenting it. I'm thinking, well, i doubt mark feels that way i didn't do this to completely fuck over my brother who went in front of congress and said he didn't do it but we were definitely doing it i mean i remember i was getting ready for a show and he was getting ready i didn't get 68 home run maybe and we just said hey let's eat more tonight it's uh it was an interesting little doc uh jerry mcguire also pretty good different spelling i want to see uh a 30 for 30 on Roger Clemens

and his whole situation. Roger Clemens was eating steroids too? Oh yeah. I'm not saying he was. I'm just saying I think he was such an awesome player. Remember when he threw the bat back? The broken bat at Piazza? Oh yeah, that was incredible. I don't remember Roger Clemens. I just remember people said his workouts were insane

or something. He had the greatest schedule ever. At one point in his career when he was older, when he wasn't pitching, he wouldn't travel with the team, and he would stay back and play golf. So he wouldn't even go there if he wasn't pitching. That's the Rocket. That's what I want. That's right.

That's the Rocket. I think that's what Fegels did. Jeff Fegels had that deal with the Giants towards the end of his punting career where he wasn't at practice, I don't think, until maybe Saturday he punted in a walkthrough and then he punted at the game on Sundays. Because he was like 75 years old still punting for the Giants or whatever. He punted a 41-yard ball right out of bounds every time. Boom, boom, boom.

Could do it. Perfect punter. Perfect punter right out of bounds. I mean, yeah. I think, yeah, if he could do that every time. That's why he did it. He played until he was 50. But he got to a point where I don't even think he came to practice all week.

He just showed up at the games. I always assumed Vinny would try to get on that schedule at some point. Like, hey, I'll be in on, like, Fridays maybe to kick, and then I'll see you Sundays and then Monday team meeting, obviously. But I need to be with my – no, Vinny's always like, I need to be here. He's too nervous to get cut. Yeah, I need to be here. I need to be at every meeting. I'm like, I need to be here. Too nervous to get cut. This way, yeah, I need to be here. I need to be at every meeting.

I'm like, hey, I love it. But if I was you, I'd be trying to stroke that resume a little bit more. Okay, there's a lot of meetings that we're currently sitting at that we should not fucking be at. And if you maybe said we shouldn't be here, maybe we'd both be out of here. But I'm sitting with a guy who's a fucking guaranteed Hall of Famer who thinks he's going to get cut tomorrow. So we can't even use his resume to get us out of anything,

which made me better, by the way. Thank you to Adam Vinatieri for making me better, obviously. But I guess, though, for kickers and punters, is your week really that stressful before a game? No. The game is. I would never want to be – I'm scared that one of my kids is going to be a kicker. Like, I will be so nervous.

I get nervous watching guys go out there now and kick. Like, I get nervous when I'm watching guys go out there and kick or punt or something like that just because I know, like, how much is on the line. Not for that kid, his life, his future, his happiness, his team, the millions and millions of – I mean, there was a lot on the line with every single time he'd go out there. And there's – I mean, there's a chance it completely goes wrong.

There's nothing he can do. It doesn't even out. I feel like with kickers, it doesn't even out to where, say you're – what's it, Justin Tucker in Baltimore? You hit 5,000 game winners. They're all like 70 yards plus. It doesn't even out like, okay, when you hit those, sure, people are like, oh, yeah, great job, but they're not really 70 yards plus it doesn't even out like okay when you hit those sure people are like oh yeah great job but they're not really pumping the kicker up too much but you

miss one and you have death threats and your whole life is over he missed an extra point it was like the first time he missed an extra point maybe 45 years or something like that justin tucker's existence and he had to go to a press conference afterwards because they end up losing the game and it was like oh justin tucker's lost it, this whole thing. And it was like, dude, this guy literally never fucking misses. Can we get off his ass a little bit? But that's the gig. Hey, that's the gig. It's what you signed up for, right?

But it's terrible. You have a bad week. Like your week of practice, there's only so much you can do. I mean, how many times can I kick a ball? I kicked it a lot because I felt like without it, I wouldn't be good. But if you have a bad week, literally all you're thinking about that whole next week is, well, can't have one week turn into two weeks. Every single ball

I kick now. But you never know until the day you show up, the game day. So it's a lot of just buying time. I started learning about the game a lot more. I started investing in other meeting rooms and stuff like that. I tried to learn a little bit. They would let you, like, if you wanted to go sit in with the running backs after practice, they

would let you come in there? Yeah. Just kind of sit in the back, poke my head in. What's going on, boys? What are we doing? Quarterback room, I was in there. What's going on, boys? What are we doing? I would think that you would be pretty disruptive, and most coaches would try to lock the door when they saw you coming. No, no, no. Training camp, I was invited in the rooms.

A lot of them, like, hey, stop by. They need some juice. They know their players need some juice. They're all so depressed and tired. Yeah, so I'd poke my head in the rooms a lot of them like hey stop by they need some juice they know their players need some juice they're all so depressed and tired yeah so i'd poke my head in the offensive line room you know whenever they're miserable and just do a complete faux energy rally them all around hating me you know so that gives a little bit of energy and i'm gonna get out all right boys i'm gonna go fucking swing some clubs a little bit you guys have a good one hey best offensive line in the league this year is coming from this meeting right fucking here.

Same shit you watched yesterday. It's coming out of this. Get the fuck out of here, McAfee. I'm going. I got a tee time. I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here. I got to.

And then I just go out. And I was like, thanks for stopping by. Hey, no problem. I got you. That'd be such a love-hate relationship with you and all your teammates.

They knew. They knew that I knew. You know, they knew that I knew that it was – listen, man, our lives are not comparable. You know, like this is just not – this is two different lives. We're living two very different existences at the moment. But just know that when it comes down to whether or not our offense get a first down, I'm going to bomb a ball or two.

Okay, I'm going to do my thing. And then you guys can go try to make tackles if you want, and we'll just keep it moving. And we had good agreement. I think it was pretty good understanding. Yeah. They knew the value that you brought to the team. So they respected, they could, they could put up with your fake energy, your fake enthusiasm and sarcasm throughout the day. If I stunk, by the way, you can't talk. I think that's what people don't fully understand about me. I was very quiet publicly for, like, my first three years in the league because I stunk.

But then once I got good, it was hard to keep me down. It was hard to keep me quiet. You know what I mean? It was hard to do. Robert Mathis, one of the quietest men I've ever encountered, he's getting inducted into the Colts Ring of Honor, I believe November 22nd or November 11th. That guy's the man.

The Ring of Honor, that's a pretty cool thing that the team that you played for says, you know what, this guy's one of our guys. We want to celebrate him for the rest of our existence. I think I'm happy for Robert. Very, very, very well deserved. Very much, yeah, definitely well deserved. Is he on the staff there in Indy

or is he just coaching like pass rush? Is he like a pass rush specialist that guys go to? Yeah, so he started this football camp called the Gridiron Gang, where he has offensive linemen there, former NFL offensive linemen. He's there training. It's very good. It's like they're training free agents and guys in the offseason, and he's gaining a lot of steam.

But he was working with the Colts coaching staff, but I think he turned his attention directly to the Gridiron Gang training because the things that he teaches are things that I think can make everybody a great pass rusher, playing below the belt. He was using his hands in a lot of that stuff before anybody else. I would assume that you could speak to this better than me, but the reason why Robert was so good is he got off the ball fast, right? Got off the ball very fast. He was able to move. People called him undersized,

but he was able to get low, and he had these incredible hand skills that were just so good, and him and Dwight Freeney were just an absolute menace off the edge, and I think he wants to give back to the game in that sense by trying to teach everybody what John Tierlink and he grew and learned from there. Well, yeah, when it comes to if you're strictly like an edge rusher, even if you're an interior D lineman, those guys work on their hands and their moves all the time.

That's something that you're never going to master. But a guy like Mathis and Freeney and all these guys that are studs rushing the passer, that's something like every day for multiple hours. Things like that. They're working little things that may not seem like a whole lot. But they've got to come up with a move. I've heard great passers. You get one move, and then one move that's your go-to,

and then have a counter off of that. That's all you need. You don't need a bunch. I had four moves. You know what I mean? What what were they let's hear it well good question thanks for asking i had the cobra where i would strike playing forehead to forehead i better get your hands in there well yeah well i would ping and then you know what i mean i had to shed the punch and shed okay obviously i had to swim over the top push swim over the top swing swim that high it always works when you expose your ribs.

Yeah, yeah. That's what you want to do. You want to get it all the way open there so they can even get up underneath where there's no pads. And then, obviously, I had to swipe. Swipe. You know the swipe. Swipe. You know what I mean?

Man, if they would have just put you out there and unleashed you in a three-point stance on the edge. Oh, yeah. I'll rip, too. I'm a five-tool player. You got to dip. Yeah, you got to dip and rip, right? Dip is going tough now when i dip you dip we dip and when we dip we fall so that's kind of a problem but i do got a good rip i will say this when i played peewee football in plumb borough for like four weeks of my life because i went to a practice with my friend

and uh when i was there they said hey do you want to put on some pads and try and I said sure it was digs his team I played for like four weeks they put me in a 101 drill as a D lineman not still haven't been stopped still have not been stopped to this day I think I went undefeated in it I should probably stuck with that to be honest now that we see how much money everybody has but that was one day of work how old were you 12 yeah 12 maybe 12. so you were in you were rushing you're one-on-one against an offensive lineman yeah where is that offensive lineman he probably played in the league 12 15 years well he's probably on the ground just like he was for his one-on-ones i gave him a nice i was bigger than these guys though too i was

bigger than like i was big at the time so and fast hey you know what's the worst though i'm sure you've seen this a few times online i don't want to say the worst there's a lot of bad things out there so i i take that back you know what's not great is some of these clips online of these like high school kids at camps when they're just wearing helmets and they do pass rush and someone's like oh man look at this guy he's a monster and he's bull rushing this poor tackle with no pads on when anyone knows like when you're not wearing pads the bull rush is not an option like you're not gonna bowl without pads and these dudes will run these poor tackles over like oh man you gotta get this dude a scholarship give him five stars absolutely not he's bull rushing with no pads well how about they it's

literally on an island one offensive lineman versus the lineman who can go wherever like oh this offensive lineman got fucking cooked or whatever it's like well that guy in no game of football will have to pivot down three yards inside that will never there are some of those drills that are set up for people to fail like down the senior bowl they always have those one-on-ones, offensive line, defensive line. And I forget who, but one side always on the internet has an advantage over the other side for whatever reason. But I don't mind mixing up, watching mono-a-mono.

Sometimes the individual one-on-one periods are the best periods to watch in training camp, in practice, wide receivers, DBs, seeing what young guy wants to step up and get cooked by one of the veterans who's just such a smarter football player than you are that you have no idea what's happening. I mean, there's so many little intricacies and things that go into all that. That's so impressive. But there's some of those one-on-one drills that are nowhere near realistic and people just get cooked on them. Oh, they're so unrealistic. And a lot of times

you do those in training camp when the practice is open to the public and the media for the whole time. There's no other time during the season where the media is going to be there late in the practice when you're doing stuff like that. And I do remember guys in Green Bay, especially O-linemen and edge rushers getting so mad because the local beat writers would grade it. And they'd say, oh, Clayews was oh for four today on pass rush against bakhtiari and then clay would get wind up he's like are you kidding me man i

get first off it's called practice so i'm working on maybe some new moves that i want to use this year and by the way it's not even close to realistic and what game's going to be like my favorite recent one was richard sherman was working on something in one-on-ones against Marquise Godwin or good Godwin Godwin Godwin Goodwin Goodwin Goodwin Goodwin Marquise Goodwin he's he's got Jets obviously and this is when Sherman just went to San Francisco he would he negotiated his own contracts you already know agents hate him so if he negotiates his own contract, agents hate him, which means the media wants to be negative

towards him regardless, especially with everything that had happened. And in training camp, Richard might've been working on something. Maybe he was working on just something as small as stepping off of maybe his big, like there's little things there that you get off the line quick enough

and he gets smoked or whatever. Everybody's like, Sherman's lost it. Look fucking goodwin cook them or whatever i'm like it's practice like maybe he was trying a completely different style have we have we thought about him just trying something new maybe to become a better player and it didn't work out and that's why he's getting roasted on the internet now because turns out by by the way, Sherman still got it. Still, still, still got it. Don't you remember after that, Pat? A big reason why, a reason I think Kyle Shanahan is an awesome coach.

He knew what that happened. He knew Sherman was getting heat all over the internet, all this stuff. He took, I think he took that footage, he played it in the team meeting room, and he praised Sherman for taking chances and not taking the easy way out because a lot of times they know, okay, hey, one-on-ones.

I know media, I know this is a video out there for people, they're going to see this. I could way out because a lot of times they know, okay, hey, one-on-ones. I know media. I know this is a video out there for people. They're going to see this. I could give this guy a bunch of cushion, maybe let him catch him underneath routes. That's never going to make it viral. That's not going to go on the internet. Go, hey, Sherman gave up a 10-yard out.

So Sherman got up there and actually took chances. He was trying to work on something, got beat deep, and didn't care what was going to happen afterwards. And Shanahan, like, praised him for that. And I love Shanahan for doing it. Just the immediate reactions to things that happen in practice. I'm like, these guys, because they're working on, sometimes guys want to get better at something.

So they're working on practice. Poor guy. You better not be perfect in practice. Like everything better not go right in practice because you're not getting any better, not working on anything. By the way, to say all that, never ever ever worked on anything whenever people were around ever never whenever those training camp practices or those drills would happen hey tom mcmahon don't know how to tell you this is gonna be a fucking home run derby today pal i don't know where you want it to go

just know it's gonna go a long long long way that's yeah they wouldn't they don't they uh like reporters during camp when they take down your time like your hang time oh yeah my off time to these motherfuckers that are trying to get a two second thought like their thumb is anywhere near accurate i mean that takes like years of practice the first rule is you can't use your thumb you got to use your pointer finger yeah bingo bingo yeah so there's always that type of stuff it's overreaction and punts always the first period so with the emergence of social, the first thing anybody's going to talk about is the punt period. I learned that very quickly. I'm like, all right, like this is, I'm going to go kick a 70 yard field, go in warmups. All right, let me just go ahead and do

that. Let me knock that out real quick. And then for this punt period, you might tell me, right, you might tell me left. I'm just telling you, they're going to go far. I don't don't know pat come on no it's well i'm just gonna let you know that these both these people are here for a show and that's what i'm gonna fucking do okay so i'm gonna hit the ball whenever we work all by ourselves i'll do whatever you got to do but i'll try to get it into the direction of where it's supposed to go but know that i'm swinging as hard as i can at these things and that that's kind of mentally soft of me, to be honest, because the last thing you want to do, work on a brand-new ball, hit seven shanks in front of the whole crowd,

then you just have, oh, McAfee stinks. This guy, get him out of here. Let's bring in somebody. Oh, maybe I was just working on, like, a brand-new punt that could potentially change the game, but you're right. I stink. I mean, I'll get out of here. So instead, I took the easy way out mentally

and just fucking bombed it every time. Well, basically, so all of here. So instead, I took the easy way out mentally and just fucking bombed it every time. Well, basically, all you're saying is that to review what we've talked about for the last 10 minutes, anything that comes out of a training camp, any kind of news about how somebody is playing is garbage probably. Potentially, but also potentially accurate. Yeah, some of it's accurate,

but think about stuff that's a big deal during training camp like week two of camp means zero once the season starts like if that dude goes and play you could say this guy's having the worst camp of his life and all of a sudden through the first four games he has seven sacks he's in the mvp talks guess who cares nobody yeah training camp conversations a bunch of bullshit by the way way, training camp, July 28th. Oh, yeah. Don't know. Anyone other than you said that yet? Nope. And it has not been quoted anywhere, by the way.

I thought for sure that it would be like, via Pat McVie on McVie and Hawk Sports Talk, training camps will all be July 28th. The news is starting to filter out from every team's reporter. Like, individual reporters are starting like oh our team will be reporting blah blah blah we'll be reporting on 28th blah blah blah i'm just here to let you know blanket statement all the motherfuckers are reporting 28th okay yes except for the hall of fame game and the rookies are going to come a little bit earlier just no big deal so is that the first day that they are allowed to report

yeah i'd assume i don't know i didn't think then why do teams in the like why do teams usually there's always like different times when other teams report yeah i don't fully understand it either it's up to the coach a lot of times up to the coach like hey i don't need if they say the 25th i can come in i don't need three or four extra days like we're going to come in 28th what are you i think you're allowed 17 days is that what it is 17 you know the rules are so i don't i don't understand it there's some rules and then now everybody's going to be at their facility so it's going to be even different but some people just you know try to do the overkill model like oh we're gonna need every practice they're giving us 17 days we're going to use all 17 days and some coaches are like listen i'll give you a couple

days here at the beginning but when you get here we need to be diligent and we need to dial it in a little there's just a couple different ways to coach a couple different styles and and all that all that all that matters is what you do once the regular season starts no matter how you're scared you can get if you're a coach you can get criticized for your practice schedule you're not doing enough you're doing too much you're hitting too much you're not hitting enough But all that matters is that product you put on the field once the regular season starts, not even the preseason. If you win, nothing else matters.

Winning cures literally everything. And if you lose, they will go back and go through some of the stories they wrote during training camp and say, yeah, we said they weren't hitting enough in training camp. And look at them. They've been getting people running all over the place on these guys. I told you all that this coach choosing not to use all 17 days of practice

and allowing his team to maybe have two less days of training camp while everybody else is getting better would come back and bite him in the ass and look what happened. Imagine what could have been added in that one extra day of training camp. Imagine what could have been put in there. This is on the coaches making a poor decision. Then they win the next week maybe they're starting to figure it out maybe you know it's just everything is just riding the wave overreaction monday is my favorite day of the fall yeah i have i counted seven teams completely out of the league i i i

crowned i think four people super bowl champs this year on overreaction monday and none of it matters because that's just you just ride the wave, baby. Hey, you hit the barrels. You shred the barrel of the wave and just go for it. What's up, Diggs? So I have an answer. Teams used to be required to report 15 days before their preseason opener,

but now they all must report on July 28th, which is 47 or 48 days before week one of the regular season. Who just said that they're all reporting on 28th? Adam Schefter. He wrote this on June 10th. He beat you to it. No.

No. Look at the records. Mitt. This is what we have the minutes for, Mitt. Yep. Go back through, please Fucking A Mitt was on a booze bus all weekend

Is he asleep right now? He beat you by a day No! Yours was Thursday, if I'm correct Are you correct or not? You're probably not Because I was not here, but I remember watching it It was definitely either Tuesday or Thursday

Tuesday, probably Tuesday Probably Tuesday Tuesday or Thursday Tuesday by a day you don't remember anything that's kind of part of the problem he was out for a sweet 16 this weekend on a booze bus where they were packed 50 deep on top of each other didn't even know coronavirus existed no masks what sophomore in high school turned 16 and he's hanging out with? Great question. I have the same question as his pseudo boss, Mitt. Do you have anything to say about that? It was his 21st birthday.

You look like you're 12. You guys weren't social distancing? Did you get a party bus? You should see this photo. They're sitting on top of each other. The bus wasn't big enough for the amount of people. They needed one size bigger. They were all just spitting on top of each other, bus wasn't big enough for the amount of they needed one size bigger they were always just spitting on top of each other basically all drinking where did you

go uh just a bunch of noblesville a couple different noblesville there's small town indiana called noblesville they got a little they got a didn't even need a bus by like probably just walk around the circle yeah you are a bag of bricks, dude. Mitt's living, dude. Mitt's living. You're right. Everyone there looks like they're 14. Have you seen the photo? Are we showing the photo right now?

Do you want me to show it? Pull it up. Do not show it to Mitt. They publicly tweeted it. This is on you. You retweeted it, Mitt. Yeah, this is on you. That's right.

Look at this. Look at Mitt living his best life. There's 7,000 people in that booth spot. This is something, Pat, that if this was put out right now, like if someone put this out, they'd be like, hey, just to be clear, this was taken back in November before the COVID situation. Not Mitt, though.

Mitt's like, this was yesterday. Just want to let you know. Best party ever. Got Liddy on the bus. So can you all go into a, don't bars have restrictions on how many people can go in a lot of patio stuff going on right now um but indiana outside of indianapolis indiana which is like the state around the indianapolis i don't know what you're talking about will you explain

that i'm not sure okay so indianapolis is still on like phase two i believe like phase two or something like but everywhere else is phase five at this point. Phase four, phase five, which is basically wide open. So Indianapolis has been locked down a lot more than the rest of the state where he was at. They're probably two to three weeks past caring about coronavirus happening. Phase zero. I guess you picked the right place for what you were doing. Well, that's why the booze hounds went there.

You saw the whole bus. They're all in the same booze bag mindset as Mitt. I want to know what's going on inside Mitt's brain. Nothing. He doesn't know. Nothing. He's trying to figure out what's in it. Where's a Habu Daba?

I need a beer. Someone get me a beer. Bro, I got a Madden game with a case on the line. Oh, please. Could you imagine being 21 right now? Could you imagine being 21 right now in the world that we're currently in? Couldn't. Couldn't do it.

Couldn't do it. Dude, I got a Madden game with a case on the line. That's what he does. That's what this kid does. He shows up late every day. I mean, he actually doesn't show up late every day. Kid shows up relatively on time, ready to go. Today, he was pretty good.

But I think back to 21-year-old me a lot, whenever we're dealing with old Mitt here. Jesus. I can't believe the kid's still here. I'd have been like, yeah, next week, maybe, man. Let's see. All right. Hey, are you going to talk about Zeke?

I'm just curious if you think, are Cowboys fans happy that Zeke tested positive for COVID because he might not get it again? Great spin zone. Yes. Great spin zone right there. I'm not sure if that's accurate or not. I don't think anybody knows if the antibodies prove that you never get COVID. Yeah, I didn't say.

I didn't say you can't. I don't know. I think it's up in the air. They don't know if you can get it again or if you're immune once you get it you were just saying that Cowboys fans could potentially be thinking because he got chicken pox one time he'll never get chicken pox again yeah like we don't are they thinking okay good we don't have to worry about losing Zeke for two or three weeks during the season if he tests positive I don't think any professional athlete is going to miss time from the COVID-19 unless it is forced to happen via quarantine.

I don't know. But what do you mean? If someone tests positive once the season starts, which they will, they're going to quarantine. But we don't know if that's the case. Ohio State has players, you should know this in your backyard, Ohio State has its players signing waivers that they understand the risk for potential COVID-19. Now, I don't know if that means, hey, if you get COVID-19, you're not going to be quarantined. I don't know if that means like, hey, what's up? It means that you can't come back and sue us by saying we forced you to come here. That's all it is. Well, I think a lot of people are going to make that move though. I think that is how tickets are going to be going forward. Whenever you go to a live event, there's going to be something on there. When you click buy, you are agreeing to the terms that you understand that COVID-19 could potentially

be in the place that you're at I think this is just the way it's going to go so Zeke getting it obviously I hope he's okay T's and P's to Zeke I hope he doesn't get a a bad strand of that thing which was taking obviously a lot of people out but I think it's we're going to come to a point in time where it's just like it might be weird if you haven't had it i've like they're they're talking about the number of ohio state players that had it they're talking about other teams the amount of people that had it i think i mean we're still only what three months into this covet 19 four months into the knowledge is covet 19. i don't think we know anything about covet 19. i don't think we have a clue what the life is going to be like in two months from now

whether it's back on lockdown because numbers are going high or whether it's completely free, just like, yeah, COVID-19 is a part of our life now. I don't think anybody has a clue about what's going on. I would assume that some people are a bit alarmed that Ezekiel Elliott got it because he's in such great shape, but then people are obvious. I don't know. I just, I think we don't know anything about what's going to happen with the future and how normal covet 19 is going to be going forward as a life as a human here yeah well everyone's trying to figure out i guess on the run and nobody there's not like there's not a group of people that make all the decisions for everybody everyone's kind of looking to somebody else to figure out what to do well in which stats you go to you go to one person

they tell you something okay i, I think I get it. And then you open up another thing. It's like, oh, wait a fucking minute. That goes against everything in this person. Oh, but wait, there's a third idea. You have no way. Everybody's trying to get their point out. And I would assume so history can tell us who was right.

So like in 10 years, somebody who was saying something, I said, while everybody else was saying, I said, blah, was saying i said blah blah blah blah that's happening i think a lot in the world right now so people can predict what covid19 is and i'd like to say this is my prediction nobody has a motherfucking clue what's going to happen one day from now let alone two months from now so i believe that the world is going to go on as normal until we're either shut down completely or completely back to full freedom. I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah, I would tend to agree with that. I think it's, yeah, I don't know.

I have no clue. I have no answers. I don't claim to have any answers. Oh, that's what we need. I need a guy who doesn't have a medical degree asking me, a guy who knows nothing about medicine to talk about COVID-19. That's the last thing we fucking need.

That was Bill Burr with Rogan. I know, I heard. Great interview. Oh yeah, I love when Bill got into it. I'm not going in, Joe. We're talking about masks. I had some strong feelings towards masks and Bill didn't even want to get into it. It was perfect. I'm not even getting into that.

Go ahead. Zeke just tweeted to address the issue and he said, HIP hippa with two question marks oh he's wondering how his information is getting leaked to people because there is a doctor patient agreement by the government that goes by a i don't is that what how is that oh no it's hippa isn't it oh i don't know i don't know what they stand for either. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Yep. So he's spot on, right?

True. I don't know how his information gets out there. This is just like the Wunderlich scores that get released. It feels like Zeke Urelli is wondering how come I'm not treated how everybody else is treated in the health world with my information when people are telling me that that's the case i understand why he's not who was the first to report it who who was the first one to go public with zeke testing positive good question we had pro football talk on ours i don't know if that was the first one but in florio is plugged in it wouldn't be them florio wouldn't be in trouble it'd be who would get in trouble is who gave the information to him hold on so didn't Schefter Schefter had the doctor that had Jason Pierre Paul's uh x-rays remember that that was almost like a fool thing because of the HIPAA violation the doctor though

was the one that sent it directly to either Schefter whoever it was this HIPAA thing has been brought up for a lot of these nfl insider informations because i mean there's i mean zeke's probably not pumped about maybe his family finding out he's got it before anybody else well what if it was dak prescott he's in the middle of a contract negotiation does that affect anything if it was him yeah i don't want to pay the guy because we don't know what's going to happen in two months that'll be just dalton back there my hands don't get cramps while writing checks unless that check is to a motherfucker that got covid 19 well zeke and dac remember was it a month ago they were they had some party by the way earlier i almost said that when i was talking but i didn't want to throw them under the bus so i

actually stopped in the middle of my sentence but since you decided to throw them under the bus for that you're right i'm not saying that's where any of them would have gotten. I'm not. I'm not. It looks like Rappaport may have been first with it. And he said that Zeke's agent confirmed it to him. Well, hey, how's it going? You're fired. Get the fuck out of here to the agent what a question

uh every once in a while we like to dive deep into the annals of the internet the most beautiful place on the internet the youtube comment section for some youtube questions YouTube questions. YouTube questions. What do we got, Zeke? From Gabriel Barantos. What is your guys' most treasured memorabilia? Oh, yeah, that guy.

$3 million for that baseball last night. 2.7 something and then another 300 in taxes and all that other shit. $3 million for a baseball. You might as well find a bridge and jump the fuck off. That is next level. Unbelievable. I appreciate the fact that sports memorabilia can mean that much to somebody and stuff like that. But I mean,

come on, pal, you got it. My most treasured piece of memorabilia, um, is probably this AJ Hawk painting. That's right over my shoulder here of him taking a shit. I think that is it. I don't know.

I understand people like memorabilia. I understand that people do jersey swapping. I understand that people get autographs. I just have never been that person. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. But I just, I've never, I've always felt awkward asking people for their autograph. I've told the story where a lot of my friends wanted Peyton's autograph,

and I just started forging that thing. I mean, it's just I don't fully understand that world, but damn, I guess there's a ton of money in it. I mean, there is, but with this baseball, he paid almost $3 million for it. Is there any chance that he could sell it for even half that? Maybe. I don't know if there's other comics out there like him that have comic book drawers that are like him. He's got to be a big McGuire fan, right?

Or a baseball fan, I guess, because some of that baseball stuff just goes. Did you see how many balls he had, too? He had like 20 or 30 of McGuire's home run balls that season. He has Bond's 73rd ball, too. Oh, wow. He only paid $500,000 for that one. So I would assume some baseball fan that's ridiculously wealthy He has Bond's 73rd ball, too. Oh, wow. He only paid 500 grand for that one.

So I would assume some baseball fan that's ridiculously wealthy would probably be up for that. It's just like Ursae. Ursae buys up all of this music stuff. He put the entire Beatles' original instruments together. I guess if you have just a ridiculous amount of money, you could get into collecting stuff like that. But for me i it doesn't make much sense if it means anything to you a baseball card honus wagner went for 3.12

3.12 million dollars yeah it's right a rookie card yeah well he's an absolute legend so mickey mansell 2.8 how many are those autograph signings probably a lot huh over there to iowa state i assume they got you guys doing a lot of them after after you graduate yeah i i chose to do a decent amount of them yeah yeah but i think there's a lot of money in that like i've heard stories about ohio state memorabilia deals after you graduate that was the greatest thing ever i hit it hard i was still in school working out for the combine and i would yes i drove around state of ohio i've heard these stories from people in a locker room. They're like, oh, Ohio State, as soon as you graduate, you go on this autograph tour where you're just collecting checks.

I'm like, really? West Virginia, I went down to Charleston. I signed some things, got a couple hundred bucks, and then I wrestled a guy named Warp. That's what I did. But what was that? What's that autograph company I did, Topps? Topps, yeah.

Have you ever done a tops deal or whatever is that what a panini was a panini they send you like 1500 cards and you have to sign them have you ever done that before yeah did you sign them all yeah not me dog we're on a public forum yes i did my roommate definitely didn't sign any of them you did not sign any of them no yes i did sign them but yeah i know what you're talking. They'd send you like a thousand cards, like, hey, get these done by the end of the week and send them back. Yeah, bingo.

I did not. Did you have the kids help you out? No, this is, the only time I was doing that, I was right after I got done at Ohio State and then maybe my rookie year. So I never had a card, a player's card,

when I was in the league, like never had one. So then I saw one that started floating out there. It was like a's card when I was in the league like never had one so then I saw one that started floating out there was like a legends card I had my long hair was a good shot I was pretty pumped I was like thank you for making that a card that started floating out there and then this panini and top for this same thing I don't know different I forget who it was panini somebody called me yeah panini called and they said would i sign some cards like maybe 2 000 of them or something like that and i was pumped that i even had a card right i'm like okay i got a card

here we go i said sure i'll do that we came to an agreement on a price they tried to fuck me completely in their first offer i told them zero chance i've lived this long without a card i'm 100 okay going forward so they sent me like in a batch of like a thousand and another thousand i got done with that first thousand i told him just keep check i ain't signing anymore i'm not doing this it was you got on this little tiny little sliver of of anything you can't touch the thing because you smear it and it's i wanted to make it look like i actually signed every single one with the same amount of effort on the first one as the last one. And I was like, I'm never doing this ever again. It's just like whenever the holidays come around and the team asks you to sign, there it is.

There it is. So it's one of the thousand right there. That's one of the thousand. I remember those small pieces of paper. They were tiny. That little thing, that little, what's that? Rectangle. Rectangle, I guess.

Yeah, but it has rounded edges. But I guess it's still rectangle rectangle i guess yeah but it has rounded edges but i guess it's still a rectangle that thing there's like a hundred of them on a page stacked on top of each other just right on top of each other and with the marker you can obviously smear because it's like a thing so you have to sign these and like lift your hand up and i was like ah i i love my respect for the people that do this all day every day but it ain't for me dog and i don't even know if they ever paid me i don't think they ever paid me. I just said, yeah, but I still got a whole half rack sitting in my office over there.

So it's like... It's probably a breach of contract. You signed a contract saying you'll sign 2,000 cards. You quasi signed 1,000. So yeah, they probably don't owe you any money. No, not quasi. I fully signed every single one. And because I fully signed every one,

I'm like, I'm never fucking doing that again. How tired was your signature in this one uh that one's pretty early that seems like it's pretty early but it's like different cards though it's pretty weird i didn't realize you can get you can see the real action in my m a and f if you want to really tell how what point i'm at like in christmas did you guys have to sign a thousand balls for sponsors and everything yeah i think around christmas time not guys have to sign a thousand balls for sponsors and everything yeah i think around christmas time not a thousand but we would sign sign stuff so we had i think it was a thousand they would have 500 on one 500 on the other and they would split the team in half

so you only had to sign 500 balls right and every member of the team would get one of the balls that you sign and then they would give them out to sponsors and all that those poor balls that are down at the end like whenever because you'd move from this side of the table where you would come in check your name sign up do whatever and then you that was the same day they would have the flu shot and all this shit so then as you would go down the entire which i never got woke sorry yeah me either stay woke super woke one time I did it because they talked me into it needle actually bent didn't go in that's a real story

the person that gave me the shot has told that story to other people too because I told the story nobody believed me because I wanted to keep the needle obviously I was like can I keep that because I bent the fucking thing no can't do it she has gone on to tell the story she's actually in my brother's friends group bent the fucking needle threw it into the little red trash bag uh thing because it was used needle I was like it wasn't used it was broken give me

that back didn't get the flu shot after that still have yet to get it so wait but the autographs at the end were done for just the worst autographs I'm just curious about this needle that you supposedly bent not supposedly this is facts what's that how far in did she go with this needle didn't even crack i was like i was superman fucking just see you later turn don't even crack your skin just dog leg left instantly i've never been more happy with myself too like it hurt a little bit obviously because it just was like jabbing in there but then it turned and i was like am i am i the guy am i impenetrable am i and then it was like a quick like throw it away type thing it was doug dale doug dale's wife she yeah she told a story later when i was there and i was like thank god you told this story because i've been talking about this for years nobody believes me just like the uber driver where i took his car nobody believes me until jordan palmer comes in and says my uber

driver just said you took his car from him nobody believes you about the deer either yeah i shot a deer actually didn't shoot a deer gave a deer a heart attack it died ask tim mcafee i mean these are things that just happen wait until i'm playing in the nba because i'm not sure if that's going to happen yeah they're going to take some scabs, right? So what, these players came together like a bunch of the stars and they had like a conference call themselves just to talk about the issues? ESPN is saying that all their conversations, they do not feel as if this is going to slow down July 31st happening.

Now, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, the conversation that they led about, I would assume the availability to go do something against social injustice or taking the attention away from these current protests that are going on. I would assume that there's a lot of pressure from some of these players to be like, hey, we don't want to be a part of a distraction for a pivotal part in our country and our culture's history right now. So I understand that feeling but for me as a very dumb outsider i feel like by july 31st i'm not 100 sure how many protests and messages are going to be gaining worldwide attention like this nba playoffs will happen down in orlando i think there's a potential greater spotlight that could be used. Now, if you're obviously upset because you're going to be locked in Orlando for 35 to 40 days at minimum, I can understand that.

I would be very upset about that. But I think there's a chance to potentially shine an even brighter spotlight on the social injustices that we would all like to see get fixed from this thing. It's just whether or not the guys choose to do so or not. I think there's a lot of conversations that have to happen, but ESPN said that those conversations in their eyes have not led them to believe that basketball won't happen on July 31st. Yeah, I would think it's going to happen.

Don't you? I do. I think so. I must be just derailing the season. But the NBA, you know, at the end of the day, Kyrie Irving talking and Dwight Howard and whoever else, I assume that this is a good way to get into a conversation with the NBA to set up something so they can continue to shine a light on this during this.

Like maybe the NBA will say, hey, each player will get a press conference after each game. They can use it however. Coaches, like maybe there'll be a way to really with Kyrie Irving and Dwight Howard stating what they're thinking Adam Silver saying all right well we hear you let's try to work together on this to figure this out and make something even better I think that would be cool uh because this one uh court 20 some cameras six games a day I mean it sucks for the players that's be locked down there for 40, 80 days, whatever it'll end up being. But man, from an entertainment standpoint

and a spotlight standpoint, that feels like that's going to be a very, very, very large one, especially with how the internet operates. All you need is, what, one highlight, 10 a.m. down there, and then all day it's just off and running. Here we go. Yeah, the quarantine situation with these players,

it's going to be weird, and yeah, they're going to have to be away from their families probably and friends, and they can't go out. But it may, for a couple teams, like it may create something really cool that they could take and use as momentum. Like it's like going to summer camp and there's nothing else around and you guys are locked down together. Like you're going to go one way or the other.

Either your team's going to pull together or they're going to kind of break apart because there's nowhere else to go. You're going to be with each other the whole time. Whoa! Did you see my step back on Friday? Oh, I'm getting ready. I am getting ready for replacement player tryouts, dude. Think you'll have tryouts for that?

Well, I put it on the internet. That was my tryout. I only got one move. I only need one move. You know what I mean? Step back? Step back. Create space. Just a quick, just a quick, oh, how's it going? internet that was my try on i got one move only need one move you know what i mean step back step back create space just uh just a quick just a quick oh oh how's it going oh the white guy can't dribble white guy can't dribble doesn't matter whoa stop splash fest splash factory how's it

going pretty splashy over here bang bingo that for them to respect your step back though pat you're gonna have to threaten them you're gonna have to drive the whole few times and be successful with it i mean i guess i'll dunk one okay i guess i'll dunk one early if i have to if i have to get it on film i'll get it on film i can't wait so you're gonna play for the lakers i'm gonna go play for the clippers then hopefully we can go ahead oh good luck bub when i'm coming through you know what i mean aj i see you underneath i just want to let you know to go play for the Clippers then. Hopefully we can go head to head. Oh, good luck, Bub, when I'm coming through. You know what I mean? AJ, I see you underneath.

I just want to let you know. Get out of the way. I'm coming and I'm going with hand on crotch, by the way. Marshawn Lynch. You know what I mean? I'm coming in. So take charge or do what you got to do, pal, but... I don't take charges. I promise you I will not take a charge. What's that all about? I despise people that take charges i promise you i will not take a charge what's that all about

i despise people that take charges that's what my that's what derailed my high school basketball career hey i despise punters that flop do you yeah but it's a part of the game you could get your teams and other possessions so are charges no. No, charges are just guys that got beat and are trying to take some excitement out of the game and have a stupid flop on the ground when a guy beats somebody, he gets by you, and you want to stand there still. Who cares? If I knock you over and your feet are set, I don't care.

Get out of the way. That's basketball, baby. You like soccer floppers? See, soccer floppers are so absurd and over the top that I'm starting to like it, I think. Yeah, because the theatrics of it all. And aren't they doing it to delay the game for whatever reason? There's a lot of reasons, yeah. They're trying to get a call, trying to catch a little breath.

They bring out that magic spray, which is just cold water, basically, or cold that gets i got a magic spray right to my chest whenever we were playing france because they put uh one guy put his cleat through my chest my sternum i just went straight up straight ahead just a straight ahead kick right to my chest happened to me had all the studs right in my body you know because i'm such a caucas Caucasian male. And the French trainer came running over to me because he was closest, and it said, Magnifique Spray. And they just started spraying my chest, and I was like, I don't know if that's helping. I don't know if it's helping.

So, I mean, the Magic Spray has a lot of reason to buy time to potentially get a call. Punters that flop, though, I do not love. I do not love it. I I do not love it I do not enjoy it what is the what are the rules now with like there's running into the kicker and then there's yeah what's the 15 yard what's the difference well if you run into the kicking leg it's a 15 yard or run into the plant leg it's only a five yarder so I'd rather run into my kicking leg than my plant leg though yeah you hit my plant leg why it's planted that's when i can

tear my acl yeah yeah i think if you tear an acl on the plant leg though it's still going to be a roughing like i think there are uh rules i think there are is a little bit of a judgment call type thing but it's whether or not you go past the kick i don't know i don't know how any of it works really i don't fully get it well the refs don't either so we're good i got killed a couple times and they did not blow a whistle i mean there's that one with uh i posted it a couple times i wish there's no way you guys are gonna be able to find it i might be able to um what's his name he's on a houston brahman brahman remember brahman that his last name? Yeah. Big, big white guy, ponytail, absolutely shredded.

Went and played for the Eagles. He was playing for the Texans. Brian Brahman. Is that Brian Brahman? Hunter Barwin? No, he was boys with Barwin. No, hold on. I'll be able to find this. Listen, guys, no big deal.

Brian Brahman, he blocked a kick against me i mean he was a special teams terror then he went to eagles won a super bowl with him the whole thing but he bent his entire body around here i'll send it over to zito right now this is worth because i i thought I broke my entire leg. I just sent it to Zito. Zito will pull it up right now. But there's a couple times where I've gotten killed. No call. Nothing at all.

Nothing to do here. And I was completely upset because I wasn't. You watched some other people. Look at this. No call on that, by the way. Let me see. It seems a little like he was all up on you. Like no call at all?

No call. Nothing. Did he nick the ball? I punted that one like 30 yards. So there's the ball right there. You see it leaving my leg. And you see my foot there on the other side. Brahman misjudged there by about, I don't know, like probably a yard or so.

And he just wrapped his entire body around my leg. And I think he actually, his body was used as like a brace for my knee. Because I think that shit should have just completely snapped in half. I mean, and as soon as we got on the ground, right, we're obviously both end up on the ground here. And he apologized on spot. He was like, my bad or whatever. And then I look at the ref. There's no flag. And I go, what?

I literally say, what the fuck? And Brahman goes, starts laughing and jogs off the other direction. Okay. The ref thought that he got a piece of the ball. He did not. I still kicked it 30, but that's a moment where I thought my entire shit was broke and the refs call it absolutely nothing. And it was, you know, my life was almost over right there, but that's kicking leg. That's why you don't want your kicking leg to get hit there for 15. Oh yeah. Either way, it's dangerous kicking leg or plant leg why you don't want your kicking leg to get hit there for 15. Oh, yeah. Either way, it's dangerous.

Kicking leg or plant leg. But didn't Chuck Pagano go crazy when this happened? Oh, yeah. This was directly after the one that I dropped and ran. So the same game, snap comes. It's a little bit high, but I should have caught it. I lose focus. Hits my hand.

Hits the ground. Okay, drop, snap. Holy shit. What do we do now so i scoop it up i was gonna run for a first down you yell fire no no you have something that's field goal fire i mean to let your the guys that are protecting you know that hey i'm taking off they're not gonna hear anything anyways and that fire idea that thing that everybody practices i don't know if that's ever gonna work ever but i juke a guy juke a guy hit a punt but since some of our guys were down field before the ball was punted have to come back the ball ended up going out of bounds like the 11

one of my best punts of my life after juking a guy replay down my guy is dead tired who has to block brian brahman because he was already covering one punt Snap Brahman hits him with an up-and-under tries to take off my entire fucking leg So in that one where you juked a guy and he still got it off and you had you guys down the field Should they have waited still to hear the boom before they go? No, no, they had no idea They had no clue me neither by the way. I was just running for my life I plan on running it for a first down I was gonna do like a full athletic move, you know? And then I saw a guy who was much more athletic than me standing right in front of me.

I was like, well, this. And I hit him with a, what's that, L1? Oh, yeah. I hit him with an L1, and then I punted that zone, bitch. Isn't Ty a fan of the Yankees? Yeah, they cheated. 2017. Are they going to get in big trouble or what?

Wait until all the information comes out well the information is never going to come out because it was redacted in rob manfred the piece of metal guy has just scraped it so far underneath the rug that you'll never be able to find it it's very interesting here because the houston astros obviously have been defamed because of the disgusting despicable stuff that they started doing with their batters and algorithms and garbage cans and robots. And then obviously the red socks saw this happening. They're like, let's hire the guy that's doing that.

So now the red socks obviously get slandered and the Yankees, their fans, by the way, screaming from the top of the mountains, like, Hey, red socks, despicable, disgusting Astros, terrible from the top of the mountains like, hey, Red Sox, despicable,

disgusting, Astros, terrible, boo them out of ballparks. Now, now, this weekend I learned that the pinstripes, Steinbrenner's operation, has been burying a thing bigger than anybody else, and it's all because the Yankees were stealing signs in 2017, and the piece of metal Rob Manfred guy said, bury it, get it out of here, can't have the pinstripes be ruined at all. Ty, this has to be a tough look for a guy that's a diehard Yankees fan. No, not at all. Like I said, we'll wait until all the information comes out, you know, and, I mean, we'll be exonerated.

Listen, that was the same year the Astros were doing it. Everybody's stealing signs. Everyone's stealing signs. Oh! You're allowed to steal them, though. They can steal signs, but did they use technology and cameras and all this stuff? Absolutely not.

Ty, especially though, Ty, especially doesn't... Russ goes to spring training there. There's no way Russ would be a part of that. Well, he's a sack of shit, so I don't know about that. Russell Wilson. What's the deal? By the way, Russell Wilson, if he's in that clubhouse, they're not getting caught for this.

They don't have to sweep anything on the rug because Russell Wilson would be like, hey, guys, we can't do this, okay? Let's just get a good read on a pitcher's tempo. Let's just do this type of stuff. Let's just swing as hard as we can and hit the balls. All right, let's do it, guys. He wouldn't allow them to use whatever robot technology algorithm live camera that they were using in the Yankees

allegedly. Russell Wilson would have never allowed him to do it. That's almost why I think it didn't happen because in 2017, Russell was at spring training with them. So that's potentially why the Yankees might be safe because Russell would never let that happen. I'm not so sure he didn't have an institute because the son of a bitch can't hit a curveball. Oh my God.

Unbelievable. How are the ESPYs going to be? Bad. Who's he hosting it with? Is it over Zoom? What are we doing? Yeah, it's going to be bad. But are they going to be somewhere in a studio at least?

Only time will tell. No clue. Anytime you get people that aren't normally hosts having to host in a terrible time and a predicament where technology is not set up for your success. In fact, complete opposite. It's set up for your failure.

It's going to be, you know what? I'll go in there with an open mind. Just like it did with the King of Staten Island. But if the first 30 minutes are as slow as the King of Staten Island, I'm going to fucking bail out and not wait for Bill burr to come in and save it i'm just gonna let that be known now so is that not that movie not good i shouldn't get it it's good i got it it is very good but but they could have condensed the first 31 minutes to about four minutes and

then bang we're into the movie off and running but they didn't they judd apatow wanted to really hammer home the fact that pete davidson sucks in his life which we understood but we could have done that in four and a half five minutes they did it for 31 minutes but as soon as bill burr knocks on the door and that door opens and his mustache is shining that movie it's a good movie really really good movie but it's a good movie. Really, really good movie. But it's a tale of two movies. The first 30 minutes and then the last 107 minutes with Bill Burr in it. So should I just skip the first 30 minutes?

I think we could probably give you a rundown of what the first 30 minutes is. And then as soon as, you should go like 26 minutes probably. I mean, I know Pete Davidson's story. I've followed some of his stuff. I know his dad died in 9-11. I know the movie is loosely based on that. And his mom finds a new boyfriend in Bill Burr and how he feels about it. That's the gist, right?

Pretty much. Yeah, but there's a lot of... It's a good movie. I almost cried at the end. I'll watch it. I almost cried. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Asia probably will. What happened? I don't care about spoilers. What happened? Oh, well. So, at the end when he... I'm not going to do that. It's so fucked up. It just came out two days ago.

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it lasts so whenever they're like day seven yeah so when they're like day six i'm like man we are nowhere near the end of this thing. We are nowhere. That's one of those things, though, probably day one or two. I was talking with there's this guy, Josh, my ladies. What's it called? The head of honor. Made of honor. Her husband's name is Josh.

He was in the army for a long, long time. He's a handsome guy. He's like James Bond for a long time. He's retired now. He's in the sales sales but he is an outdoor survival like guy thing you know and we were talking about it over brunch yesterday in a real nice part of town no big deal shout out thomas sous chef great cinnamon roll what up tom what up thomas um he and i were talking about it and he said that he feels like in the first couple days, real easy to tell whether or not

you're going to make it to the end and win it, right? So he was like, I would do the show. I think I would fare well in it. I know how to do a lot of stuff, but I'd be able to know day two if I was going to be able to make it 60, 70 days or not. So this wouldn't be that big of an investment for me if I knew that I wasn't going to make it.

But I think a lot of the people in there, they all believe they're going to make it, and then one thing happens, and there wasn't as much mental toughness out of a lot of them as I thought there was, and I think that's why I got out of there. But I think all of them knew they weren't going to be able to push on,

and they were looking for a reason to get out. Just an interesting little observation. The hardest thing about the show is almost like, Pat, when we talk about summer conditioning, like in college, if you run at the six o'clock group, your coach doesn't want the eight o'clock group to know how many gassers you ran. And when it comes to that show, you don't know when people are booted off the island or wherever they are because they're not telling you. You just got to survive until they come and get you and tell you, hey, you're the winner. So that could be 77 days or it could be 300. You don't know.

and tell you, hey, you're the winner. So that could be 77 days or it could be 300. You don't know. How about that one guy who's like an avid hunter, like one of the best hunters on earth, and they put him in a place that just had fire-ravaged forests with no animals. So I was like, fuck, set this guy up to fucking lose, didn't I? This guy had a full bow and arrow.

He's like, I'm going to go out and get a moose. I'm going to go do this. I have been practicing. And then he gets on top of the hill and he's like, so I have no green. Fire just throughout this entire place over here. There's no animals here. Okay, good news.

Yeah, I kind of got, I moved on from it. Garth Brooks, I've been told that Chris Gaines makes an appearance in the second episode. I haven't been able to make it. I haven't dove back in. I just can't do it. I haven't found myself in the state of mind to take that deep dive into Garth Brooks's mind. I just can't do it yet, but maybe I'll get in there. Did you see Chris Gaines on Garth Brooks?

I have not. My brother actually texted me and said he does touch on Chris Gaines a bit. He doesn't spend much time on it, but I guess it's at least brought up. Has Jordy watched it yet? Oh, there's no way Jordy will watch that. Hey, a lot of conversation about Jordy not coming out of retirement for the Packers this year, although it was potentially alluded to on McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk, all these shows they're saying. What's up, Diggs?

It was much more than alluded to on our show. Yeah, but everybody now that's talking to Jordy, they're like coming out with big statements. Aside from the statements that were said that he might come back, he will not be returning. He is happily retired. What's up, Diggs?

Ezekiel Elliott is still tweeting. I think he's listening to the show, so shout out, Zeke. What up, Zeke? He said that his agent did not break the story to the media. My agent only confirmed the story was already written. Reporters had been calling my agent all morning long. Oh, the tables have turned. Oh, the turntables here.

So, he is listening to the show, it feels like. Shout out, Zeke. What up, dude? Happy to get all the money. Hope this COVID-19 thing doesn't end too so he is listening to the show it feels like shout out zeke what up dude what's up dude happy got all the money hope this uh covet 19 thing doesn't end too poorly by the way i'm not happy i know about you getting covet 19 kind of scares me i wish the hippo law would have would have uh uh fallen into play in your particular situation i think it's a bunch of bullshit zeke but it is interesting who is going to get in trouble for this is jason pierre paul with the fireworks incident run it back run it back if

zeke did not want people to know this and that was agreed upon the fact that insiders found out zeke has a real grievance here this is a real potential thing that zeke could be pissed off about he does but unless whoever broke the story first or whatever he got it could say hey no zeke i found out from one of zeke's friends or somebody that he told and they told me it wasn't didn't come from a doctor that's the only way maybe i don't know yeah but what if zeke just found out this morning and then as soon as zeke found out basically it was being before zeke could tell his parents before zeke could tell his friends his family the news was already out there i assume that's why zeke is pissed i assume zeke found out and before he could even tell his family or anybody the news was

already out there he was probably getting bombarded with messages and he's like can we can i not can ever what the fuck i assume that is what zeke did if i had the uh the original breaking news was that multiple cowboys multiple texans have tested positive so are they testing players already like with are the teams already testing players is? Is that how multiple Cowboys and multiple Texans got out? Are they offering them up sites to go to to get tested if they want to get back into the building to work out? None of the guys that tested positive were at the facilities working out. It must not have come from the team. Cowboys and Texans. So is one Texas doctor just out here hustling behind closed doors COVID-19

tests? I don't know. What'd you say, Ty? One Texas doctor just out here hustling behind closed doors, COVID-19 tests. I don't know. What did you say, Ty? Yeah, it's that. Because like AJ mentioned, none of these guys had been in the facility. So it'd have to be from a third party or something. Let me tell you about a third party that you need to party with. Oh, yeah?

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I'm just more impressed that Zito is text buddies with Ray J. Well, Ray J is texting with a couple different people. One ended up with a video. One ended up with an incredible promo. Ain't that right, Z? Yeah. Always the promo, not the video. Would you do the video though? You would. Ain't that right, Z? Yeah. Always the promo, not the video. Would you do the video though?

You would. Yeah, probably. A Zito production. Good camera angles. Did you watch the AFL this weekend? Come on. I watched a tiny bit. Come on.

Come on. Come on. Why are you going to disappoint the boys like that so much? Why are you going to talk down to us so much about a brand new fanhood of a game? Sharon! Sharon! Sharon! Sharon!

Sharon! Sharon! The sport does look amazing. I just got to figure out when it's on. We told you. Okay, so we got an entire schedule. Friday morning, or Thursday morning, 540 a.m. Okay?

The Richmond Tigers, the reigning champion. They had a tie last week against Collingwood. We'll take on the Hawthorne Hawks, who got blown out last week. Revenge game for Hawthorne. Hello out of quarantine game for the Richmond Tigers, the reigning champs in Dusty Martin. Thursday morning, 540 a.m. Don't worry about the first quarter.

Okay? Don't worry about it. You wake up second, third, or fourth quarter, you'll be able to catch on very quickly and as that ball moves you will too it's mesmerizing to watch good sport aj yeah it looks like it i know you've tweeted like you don't know how these guys don't just die every second i feel like with the hits they're taking every five to ten seconds there should be a catastrophic injury and there isn't and i don't know how and i'm thankful for it but they're running around with their heads down aj they got their heads down trying to scoop up this ball and then you got people coming in everybody knows in football you head down like that's where hey this is when

the injury's coming when you have your head down that's why heads up football is such a big deal like heads up football heads up football need you to stop trying to spear people at the top of your helmet aj hawk and start tackling people with your face mask and see what you're hitting. See what you're hitting. Osceola's football, they're running like this a lot and just slamming into each other with no helmets. I'm like, these dudes are rolling the dice, and I'm thankful for it. I just hope nobody gets hurt out there.

Well, that makes me wonder about that. You saw that Lamar Jackson clip, I'm sure, where he kind of crashed over the jet ski. First off, what kind of beach football game are you playing to where he can, as a quarterback, he can just pull it down and run? Was it full contact? Are they tackling him? Was it seven Mississippi?

I saw no fat whites trying to tackle him after being the one that is automatically guarding the quarterback. But I did see he was in flip-flops. You know how hard it is to run in sand, and you know how hard it see he was in flip-flops. You know how hard it is to run in sand, and you know how hard it is to run in flip-flops. Put those together, and then he goes over a wave runner. Lamar Jackson is all the way back. I don't think we're going to see any fall-off of Lamar Jackson from last year to this year. I was wondering, can Lamar Jackson perform at the level he performed last year? He was making

professional athletes look like freshman JV-like athletes on a football field on a regular basis. He was taking chances that quarterbacks don't normally take because of his freak athleticism. 20 yards down the field instead of sliding, hitting a circle button, making somebody fall on their face in the middle of the field, scoring a touchdown for another 55 yards. How long can Lamar Jackson do that for? How long is he the most athletic person on the field? Will he be able to do it again next year? I wasn't 100% sure.

Then I saw him in flip-flops on a fucking beach, and I was like, yep, still got it. He is going to cook next year. I just hope he doesn't get killed by any inanimate objects like that Jetski almost did. I want to know who the people are that he was playing against like talk about the most unfair beach football game in the history of the world not only is lamar jackson the quarterback but you let him take off and run like he should be all-time qb he has to throw it he cannot run ever listen seven mississippi ten mississippi rules his rules dude doesn't matter if you're on a beach on the street or a backyard bob i like the fact that he was doing it i like the fact that he was out there wait i mean and going yeah hey and he

was going it wasn't like he was half-assing he was oh no he took off i like that that's like those videos you see of professional athletes when they're uh playing basketball maybe with their kids and they swat their shit 20 30 yards i like that i like whenever professional athletes show either regular athletes or other people I like whenever professional athletes show either regular athletes or other people why they're professional athletes. We used to go LA Fitness during the lockout, go down to LA Fitness or whatever. Watching some of my teammates just choose to flip the switch on against some of these Indiana folks was awesome. Just watching D-Butt take off, basically, from the foul line on people. Those moments are awesome moments.

I wish I could get captured more because it's like, oh, that's why that guy does that for a living. And that's why you see what just happened there. You two play in the same sport, but very different views here. Same hotel, very different views. I did think it was pretty telling, though, that he decided to pull it down and run it instead of making a throw. You know, just pretty telling to see that. Like, it's a little windy on the beach, you know, and when you throw the ball like a buffoon,

it has the tendency to get just snatched up in the wind. Or Diggs. Maybe nobody was open. Or maybe he's a fucking MVP because he makes good decisions. And maybe he doesn't throw the ball like a buffoon. He had like a 400 passer rating. Good decisions. This guy.

Running on the beach in flip flops did you yeah make those caps build up those calves we'll see would big ben have thrown a td pass on that play oh yeah with his left hand now big ben would have been playing with his kids golf in the backyard that's all big ben would have been doing at this point that's why afc norris a whole new world bub whole new world smart yeah wouldn't want to risk an injury on a beach i wonder why why that jet ski was there. Was that the jet? Oh, the Hayabusa bike wasn't there, was it? Oh, you're talking about

the one at Roethlisberger just ran into the back of a car in downtown Pittsburgh. No, no, it was a step-on crab. Oh, is that what you guys were talking about? Cut off at an intersection. You're talking about

when he took a Hayabusa coming out of a tunnel and tried to take his face off a fucking windshield? The man lives a quarter mile at a time. Exactly. So you're coming after

Lamar who's playing, what, 50 feet? lives a quarter mile at a time. Exactly. So you're coming after Lamar who's playing what? 50 feet? Ben didn't even have a license. Wasn't Tony calling him a fat stooge the other day? Yeah, he did. Tony called him a big fat stooge. You were like, that guy's such a fat stooge. Oh, don't fucking lie.

That guy. That's why I'm going to wear a Conor shirt. Zito, point at the guy that said. That guy right there. That guy right there. Lock him again, Ben. At tone digs with a Z. Notorious liar.

Anyways. Did you hear about Ben Roethlisberger? Isn't he like your guy? He is my God and Savior. Was he your God and Savior when he tried to go meet his God and Savior faster on his Hayabusa fucking motorcycle in downtown Pittsburgh with no helmet? Go on, Tony. He was.

Big Ben's got a big body. He knows what he can handle. Also, he's a fat student. Do you wear a helmet when you ride? What's that? No, I don't take a Hayabusa downtown Pittsburgh into a fucking, what is that? That is literally a nine-way intersection with two tunnels. There's a lot of options in that intersection.

Where he got into an accident, AJ, there's a tunnel that you can't see more than four feet into. Then there's, it's literally a six-way intersection where everybody's coming into, and you can't see anything from any of the other directions because Pittsburgh's put together so conveniently. It's under under a bridge and he just went flying through there no helmet on a high and then one dead see you later and by the way i'm surprised he didn't get run over at that time i mean it was but ben roethlisberger did survive he did survive hey

But why was that jet ski so damn close? Because someone, some fan was cruising by and wanted to watch the game. What do you mean? So they just kind of beached it a little bit and jumped on the, maybe that person parked it there on purpose and they forced them with their lockdown coverage. They forced Lamar to run. Maybe he was a Steelers fan. Forced him to run and he funneled him towards the jet ski. He was our spy.

Diggs does have a little bit better tan this. Tony. Where have you been? Jet ski? By the way, that's your dream life, right? Just riding around on jet skis, finding beaches to play pickup football with your friends at? Yeah, that'd be cool. That's probably pretty cool.

Yeah, that looks like a good spot. Yeah, beach this guy. Let's go play. Let's go play over there, by the way. 10 Mississippi still? Yeah, I don't have to throw shit? All right, good. There's kids that looks a good spot. Yeah, beach this guy. Let's go play. Let's go play over there, by the way. 10 Mississippi still? Yeah, I don't have to throw shit? All right, good. There's kids that grow up like that.

There was a show on Netflix that followed around some of these, like, big-time high school football players. There was a kid that lived down in Florida, like around Fort Lauderdale, Miami, and he basically had that life, it looked like. Tate Martell? Yeah, QB1. They did it on Jake Fromm and Justin Fields as well. You know, I think Justin Fields, he's going to be the guy.

Oh, yeah. He's going to be number two pick next year or whatever. He's going to be unbelievable. Not a lot of people talking about him. Trevor Lawrence is going to go number one, obviously, because he's 6'10 and can run and everything like that. But Justin Fields is going to go number two. He should be up for Heisman, I would assume, this year.

Justin Fields. Fuck. Oh, Foxy said this one time and it stuck with me. There's just a certain level of grit that you can't get if you're born and raised in a warm weather climate. I know you have year long training and running and that humidity is terrible, but there's something about waking up in the morning, going outside and not being able to feel your fucking face because it's so cold and just having to power through having to wipe off snow

having like there's something about that from now granted we can't do the cool jet ski into different beaches and and shred barrels and have great tans and stuff like that but there's something about growing up in a place where the weather is piss poor that you just get from growing up like ain't that right foxy yeah it's just harder to go to school it's harder to go to work it's harder to go to practice because you're waking up and it's negative 10 degrees out and you don't want to do anything but stay inside and that's great and imagine being from detroit yes i mean they're about to have the detroit grand slam or all their major teams are in top five picks in the sport because they've earned them because they're so terrible i mean that there's a grit there that you just can't get on the beach 100 yeah i think so i

think growing up with some adverse conditions it creates hard people at times not everybody nothing's like black and white but yeah it definitely can can create some gritty tough people but there's also gritty tough people like i could not imagine living year-round in south florida or bottom florida as you like to call it, when you walk out of your front door and you already have to change clothes when you're three steps out of your door. That's something I do not ever wish to have.

I'm a sweater, too. I am a sweater. I can't do the humidity. You can always take a layer of clothes off, but you can't add more layers on. Tell my lady that. The house. You know what I mean?

The house. Cool glasses. Hey, cool glasses. Thank you. They're cool. off but you can't add more layers tell my lady that the house you know what i mean the house cool glasses that's cool hey cool glasses thank you they're cool what is the house too hot for you pat no no we we have we have come to an agreement on where we're living at where we're living at you know somewhere in southern california but at one point we were you know tip of tip of south america down there it was ecuador i think we were in ecuador it was 82 degrees or something i came home i was like listen can't be doing this every day i'll tell you that right now rainforest cafe and then obviously i was dramatic and i want the opposite direction i said well you know i want saskatoon that's what i want i want it to be 54 in here at least so then there was

obviously a little bit of a give and take a little scratch my back i'll scratch yours hey hey and we met at about 69 to 72 we're in there at all times times yeah 69 72 is a good place and that's what agreements are baby and that's what the mlb and the mlbpa aren't going to be able to come to you just got to come to an agreement and sometimes you got to agree with you got to give up a little bit to get some other things in return that's business that's the way it goes so who and when it comes to baseball who's going to blink first no neither. The Bears seem like, who? Neither of them. You think they're both?

Like, the owners, I guess, and everybody, are they okay not having a season because they know they're going to be losing a bunch of money anyway this way? They don't have to pay out these salaries? The owners can wait it out. This is always how this goes. The owners, for the most part, can wait it out. They can wait a year. They can wait two years. They know that in three years or four years from now, there'll be something else that'll bring it.

The owners can always wait it out. The players are always the ones. Now, granted, the top end players who have money or whatever, they're going to be good, but there's always going to be a portion of players that are going to need the game, that are going to need the business because they haven't made it yet. They've worked their entire life to get to this point. And those are normally the majority of the players. That conversation starts getting louder. And in the end, the owners always end up winning. It's just the way it goes. Whenever you got billionaires taking on a few millionaires, a lot of hundred thousandaires that are supposed to make and survive them for the rest of their lives, the billionaires are going to win. And it feels like they're going to lay out a roadmap today for what they think is to

happen. That's what the MLB players have asked. Well, I guess if this stays the course for what these negotiations have been, the MLB is not going to answer today because the MLBPA told them to answer by today. So the MLB is like, oh, fuck you. We'll tell you tomorrow, actually, if that's how you want to do this thing, just to drive it in a little bit more. And they'll say, hey, this is what we're going to do. You either like it or you don't. And then they've got a CBA negotiation coming. I just don't see how this works out favorably for the players in any situation.

And it sucks for them. It absolutely sucks for them. But I don't see how it's going to end up that way. I just don't think it's going to. Yeah, it doesn't seem like they're going to flinch. For the players, everyone knows when you're a player, the clock is ticking. You can't just hang out. You know as time goes that these owners, yeah, they're going to sit there and it doesn't matter how their body responds to it. They're going to be around when these players are

gone. So you're right. Players have that small window where they're trying to capitalize on it. I don't know, man. I just feel like they're going to have to find a way. I hope so because, I mean, I do. This is a big baseball show. So if there's no baseball, what do we do? Need it. Let's say something happens, Pat, and they come to an agreement today. By the end of the day today, June 15th, they have an agreement. When do they go back to facilities?

When do they start spring training? What happens? Well, that's what the players have been saying. The players have go back to facilities? When do they start spring training? What happens? Well, that's what the players have been saying. The players have been saying that the owners don't care because they want a shorter season anyway, so everything can happen mid-August. The players have been saying, hey, we need to get this done now because we want more games.

It all depends upon how many games that the owners end up setting up. It all depends on when they can get it in. There's no hurries, no worries from the owner's side. They get nothing but time. The players, though, know that these things have to be done sooner than later if they want to get this thing rolling am i accurate and saying that yeah for sure we might have covered this by the way closer than fucking anybody i i had no idea i'd be balls deep in baseball bargaining agreements but i feel like i'm here and it does not feel as if they're going to get a deal done, and it doesn't matter. Just like the players basically conceded, it doesn't matter. If the MLB owners want the season to be like something, they can do that whenever they

want. All this bickering back and forth does not matter. Yeah, I guess, but think about all the small businesses, too, that are around stadiums that need like well never mind there's not going to be fans of these games doesn't matter for them Wrigleyville you just look at Wrigleyville that place is a sensation whenever games are going on I've got the rooftops though you fill those bad boys up well you better fucking bring

already a prime you better bring Sam Sosa back for the first time in 10 years guys trying to run him out of town like Bartman I want him back hey how did it what was his ending with? I know he even said the end was bad for him. I know the best is we got popped with a cork bat. I forgot about it until I watched it. Oh, Chris Plante.

30 for 30. But why don't the Cubs let him in anymore? What happened? I was told earlier that the Cubs wanted Sammy Sosa to come out and admit guilt, basically, and Sammy would never do it. That's why last night when I asked him about it, he said he was one of 106 players or something like that go ask them why you ask me is that what happened yeah basically the new york times after him over they're not a real thing

what was that so the new york times you said it's not real yeah they're not real they they leaked a story that was not real that 106 people thing yeah not real not real is that, they're not real. They leaked a story that was not real. That 106 people thing? Yeah. Not real. Not real. Is that the Mitchell report? That was a voluntary test. Yes. The Mitchell report was because of the voluntary test, right? Yes, exactly. And then that's when they found the Balco guy. Exactly. And then the

Balco guy made screwball movie and said he had to tuck Manny Ramirez into bed every night. Exactly. So what Zito's saying is that Sammy didn't take steroids. No, I just saw that thing on the New York Times live. That's all Zito's saying is that Sammy didn't take steroids. No, I just saw that thing on the New York Times live. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I don't know why. But yes, the Ricketts wanted him to admit guilt to some degree, I think. And he was like, I didn't do nothing.

Fuck it, I'm not going to do it. What was he like, Zito? I didn't do nothing. Oh, jeez. Wait, that's Sammy? Yeah, that's my Sammy, yeah. Let me hear Sammy. I don't do nothing.

Is he Dominican? Dominican, yeah. Actually, the times we went there for Carnival, that's my Sammy, yeah. Let me hear Sammy. I don't do nothing. Is he Dominican? Dominican, yeah. Actually, the times we went there for Carnival, for the cruise line, he has bought maybe 40 to 50 fields over there. It's amazing what he did for Dominican. Well, he's a good guy. It's a shame that Chicago says get him the fuck out of town. We could have had a bunch of baseball fields in Chicago.

He's a good guy. That was good. What are we going to talk about tomorrow? Anything you think? Well, we're going to get another update on baseball to see if they respond right yep how about you're gonna hold what's that how about daniel burger went into charles schwab challenge that guy didn't even know he exists he has 28 consecutive rounds below par that is the most in the pga right now tiger woods during his tiger had 52, but Daniel Berger's on his way.

Now, Daniel, too, isn't he the guy where his putt whipped out, like went full 360 almost and whipped out? That was Xander. Xander Schoefle there down 14. That was in the 15th hole, too, I believe. He would have been in the extra hole, and I think everybody assumes Xander was playing the best round of his life there. DeChambeau put on about 50 pounds, found the weight room.

He was bombing balls. He went from scientific nerd where everything's tech to being on a tee box swinging like he's fucking Mark McGuire, and I love everything about that. Welcome to adulthood, DeChambeau. I don't know who Kokrak is, but I do know Morikawa and Daniel Berger put on a show. It was good golf on Sunday. Put me right to

snooze there a couple times. It was nice to watch. Kocak's a big dude that bombs the ball. He's from up around Youngstown, Ohio. Well, that course was not set up for the bomber. That's why I was so interested in DeChambeau throwing out his back every time he's on tee box. If this is going to be the new DeChambeau, I'm all about it.

Yeah, I'm about it. How much weight did he put on? 17 to 20 i think they said he big boy man he looks like a fridge now at this but you don't see a lot of golfers like that i'm excited to see how he does because you know that could potentially help out guys like you and me aj in the golf world you think well you never know we can make it to pga we don't maybe we take dmt or mushrooms and something inside of us clicks and we become the greatest golfers on earth we don don't know. That could happen. In a sport that revolves around what's going on in between your ears,

maybe somehow, someway, a switch is hit in between your ears and all of a sudden you're the best golfer on earth. Nobody knows. Could be us. Possible. I mean, if that's a possibility, Pat, we better book a trip to Peru somewhere over there and do some ayahuasca or DMT so we can get on the tour.

That'd be nice. I think I already did it, by the way. My last round was unbelievable. I told you. I'm not going to play again because I can say that. My last round was unbelievable. You're probably that guy that's like, you know what? Played really bad, you know, but on hole 15, I hit a shot.

I was 220 out. I hit a shot over the water, and those are the ones that get you coming back for more. No, no. Those are every shot for me. I hit a shot over the water and those are the ones that get you coming back for more. No, no. Those are every shot for me. I will quit though. I'm okay with quitting mid-round. Some days I just know it's not for me. Some days I will just pick up the ball on every single hole

and not even finish it out. This ball doesn't even deserve to go into the hole at the end of this thing. Let's go to the next. You guys finish. Take your time. Do whatever you got to do. Me and my clubs and my ball have to figure some shit out here before the next tee box and if we don't i'm okay not wasting anybody's time but there's some rounds where i'm on right i would like to keep going yeah because i don't know how much i can bottle those up well like normally when i play if i'm playing 18 holes about hole 12 or 13 i'm like all right i mean this is probably golf should be golf should be

13 holes i think be 13 holes. I think 12, 13 holes. Honestly, I think that would be perfect for everybody. Now that might even be long for some people, but then you could tell him like, you should see what it fucking used to be. He was like, this is long. You should see what 18 holes is just a whole nother ball. 13 feels like the right number.

And that might be because I collapsed after that. Like I, if I'm having a great round, once I get to hole 14, you might as well just count me out. I'm already checked out. I'm on my phone. The music has probably stopped. I got other shit going on, but I can give you a good 13 if I'm hot. If I'm hot.

Yeah. I think it's perfect. I get tired. I get like sleepy after 12. You get a little tired, AJ? Yeah. Golf makes me more tired than anything I do. That's because you're a fucking booze bag, dude.

I'm saying no booze, no drinking involved for some reason. I don't like drinking on the course much either, but I'll tell you what, I'll smoke every tree that's out there if I have to. Oh, yeah. It'll get me in there. How is that any different from any other day? Good call. Let's get to Mollet's mitt and the mullet

mitt's minutes here that's a great question aj i don't have an answer mullet mitt did not get a chance to do his minutes in the first show so uh if we can maybe summarize both the first show and this show uh broader points maybe uh so we don't get as dialed in. Ladies and gentlemen, coming fresh off of Sweet 16, Booze Bus Weekend. Mullet Mitt in his minutes. Let's go, Mitt. Come on, Mitt. Let's see it, Mitt. Let's see it, Mitt.

Come on, Mitt. Come on, Mitt. Come on, Mitt. Let's go, Mitt. We started out this Monday talking about how the MLB and MLBPA are not on the same page. Bingo. The words, in good faith, are some massive ones. Oh, stop.

I talked about this earlier. The MLb came out aj did you get it i was watching you work dude it's like watching bob ross paint right there you're trying to get that cigar going thank you um the mlb has released a statement that they're disappointed that the mlb pa has not negotiated in good faith. And I mentioned how that is massive because in the contract, I would assume it says due to unforeseen circumstances, both parties agree to negotiate in good faith. So the fact that the MLB has come out and said that they're not in good faith, that means they're trying to set up for a breach of contract type situation.

Is it possible that these owners are doing this this because you said earlier that it's possibly these all these contracts might be just like getting rid of right like half of it is it possible these owners are just like all right fuck it let's just uh do this now so all these like contracts become smaller and well and they're going into a new cba as well a new cba negotiation so both sides have a lot to gain or lose here in the forfeiture of whatever to get this season off the ground. And them coming out and saying that the MLBPA is not negotiating in good faith, that is a direct response, I think, to in the contract where it says if something pops up, they'll negotiate in good faith so they can potentially give them the old that's a breach of contract, just like people who have lost millions and millions for using a business phone

to potentially call their wife or something like that. Sorry, Mitt. Do you agree with that, AJ, though? Yeah, there's no reason they didn't bring that up if it wasn't for a good reason. Yeah, and they're negotiating through the press, too. I mean, that's what's going on all the time. Agreed.

Okay, good. We are looking forward to the next time Jet Passing comes on to the show. Tomorrow. Yep, tomorrow. So we can get some more news on that. Some NBA news. Kai Irving and Dwight Howard voiced their concerns about the NBA coming back, taking momentum away from social justice reforms.

We talked about situations where July 31st, the NBA will be everything on television and could potentially be the perfect platform for these discussions to continue. We talked Pat's clean step back, and in this office, we shoot from NBA 3. Thank you. That's true.

We do, by the way. Make sure that one's highlighted. Because I saw a lot of people popping off on my Twitter. It looks like a high school three to me. Does it? Does it? You don't know how much more money that cost us actually because that son of a bitch had to bring

a whole new fucking thing in. Ah forget it, never mind. The PGA Tour came back. Congrats to Mr. Burger on having 28 consecutive rounds under par. Yeah boy Burger. Speed has showed some flashes of his old game and we also talked some rim jobs

A big movie review show King of Staten Island Is a tale of two movies We get it, Pete Davidson, you're a scumbag Thank you Bill Burr for coming in and saving me Okay, okay No, no, no Look

The character He's saying his character was a scumbag The character was a scumbag He plays the same character in every movie Jeezag. The character was a scumbag. He plays the same character in every movie. Jeez, Mick. Double dime. Just like you, Mick.

I like him. Big Pete Davidson's fan. But Pete Davidson's fan. I like Saturday Night Live. You blow. You can't blow. That's a shame you like Saturday Night Live. You used to be so much better at it.

But it's over. It's over. It's over, man. You were doing good, too. Yeah, you were. Oh, yeah, he was. A tale of two movies. Cry-Ree Irving. Yeah, he was doing great.

What's your deal back there, dude? What do you mean, what's my deal? What's your deal back there? Well, last week, this guy, he had a whole week off last week, and he doesn't even get through the first hour of your show. True. Didn't even talk about your first hour of your show. True. Didn't even talk about your sleeve on your head either. We talked about that. I don't want anything regarding me crossing those booze bag lifts of his.

I thought Mitt had a pretty good day. Yeah. I thought you did too. Hey, I thought you had a good day too. Thanks, Pat. Well, then you said that our entire show hates Pete Davidson as a scumbag. I thought you did too Hey I thought you had a good day too Thanks Pat Well then you said that our entire show hates Pete Davidson As a scumbag That's a little bit of a misrepresentation of the team

Yeah I blew that one Alright AJ you got anything to say to the people here Before we get out of here How's that golf tournament in Columbus coming around Is it pretty good over there I guess it is yeah there's going gonna be two of them coming up in july oh what are the dates july maybe the seventh is when the first one that week the week of the seventh maybe are we going are we staying at your place i'll be out in tahoe playing in that that That turned. House is open. That's a show. That's a show.

That's a show. Wow. That would have been cool. That would have been, wouldn't it? That would have been cool to go to. Come on down for a mental vacation with the boys on YouTube Live. It's McAfee and Hawk. It's McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk.

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