The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 219 - How Do The Patriots Always Do This? Lot Of Football Talk With Lombardi, Curran, Brandt, & Legend, AJ Hawk. Let's Go.

Episode Date: June 30, 2020

Today’s show is loaded with reaction and conversation dealing with the Patriots somehow doing it again and signing Cam Newton to a 1 year deal. First, former General Manager/VP, 3x Super Bowl Champion, best selling author, host of the GM Shuffle Podcast and friend of the show, Michael Lombardi joins the program. Pat and Michael chat about how Cam Newton eventually ended up a Patriot and why it shouldn’t be very surprising, how he thinks the Patriots will use Cam in the offense, what he thinks Cam and Bill Belichick’s relationship will be like, and what this means for the Patriots moving forward (:34-19:42). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ discuss the Cam Newton signing and why neither one of them are surprised, they discuss their respective relationships with the media while they were still playing, they break down everything else going on in the sports world, and Pat recaps his bachelor party weekend in Michigan (21:48-2:04:58). Next, former VP of Finance for the Green Bay Packers, Executive VP at Vayner Sports, host of the Business of Sports Podcast, and friend of the program, Andrew Brandt joins the show. Pat and Andrew discuss what Cam Newton’s contract might be looking like, and where all the incentives go if he does or does not reach them. They also chat about why it took so long for Cam to get signed, and the NFLPA and the players currently being at odds with whether or not they should be training together, and how that hurts the NFLPA from a leverage stand point (2:06:03-2:21:14). Lastly, Tom Curran from NBC Sports Boston joins the show to give Pat and the guys an idea of the pulse of Boston, whether or not he thinks Jarrett Stidham has any chance to be the starter, how successful he thinks the Pats will be with this transaction, and why people in Boston will still be cynical about this (2:21:16-2:35:45). Don’t forget to send in a picture of where you’re listening to the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat to potentially win some free merch, and be on the lookout for another possible giveaway. We appreciate you letting us penetrate your ears. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Tuesday, June 30th. A lot of things happened. Okay, a lot has happened. Obviously, you've heard about a lot of it. The Patriots, you'll hear it. You will hear big day today. Okay, if you like the show, please tell a friend. If you don't like the show, just act like it didn't fucking happen. Hashtag this where I'm at, Pat, take a picture where you're listening, be a part of something we're putting together for the end of quarantine. And aside from that, let's dive into this thing, okay? Big day, big news day, sports talk day. Let's have a day.

Joining us now is a man who worked for the Patriots for a long time. His son coaches for the Patriots. He was a general manager in the NFL. He was a consultant in the NFL. He was a consultant in the AFL. He has a show on a gambling channel. The man knows everything about everything. Been there, done that. Let's talk

a little bit more about the Patriots not being dead and being all the way back with our friend, Italian Mike Lombardi. Happy Fourth of July week. Hope all is well. It's not. It's not. You's not. Okay? You and I have talked about this.

We have talked about this on numerous occasions. When Cam Newton was put up for trade, right? It was terrible timing. Right before the quarantine, there was already spots up there. So the Panthers kind of screwed him a little bit. Then they cut him. He doesn't get signed anywhere. There's numerous landing spots that we've all talked about.

Chargers, we all thought. Jaguars, we thought. Maybe Miami if they don't sign Tua. Maybe the Browns because they need a backup. Maybe the Steelers because they need a backup. Maybe the Bills because they need a backup. All these places shot it down. Brandon Bean, Bills GM on this show, was like, we want to empower Josh Allen.

We don't want him to think that there's competition. Well, heads up. There's competition in the AFC East now. Cam Newton's been signed for $1 million to the New England Patriots. What does this do for the New England Patriots? Because I'll tell you what the odds makers at all these sportsbooks have done. They're back in this entire thing. They're going to win the AFC East in their eyes

and it makes a lot of sense. This guy is a player. How does Bill make this happen and why is it on the same day that the penalties are being released so nobody can talk about those? That I can't answer the penalty part. I don't know about that. However, that being being said bill walsh used to say all the time when i worked for him at the 49ers he said you know the nfl always gives you a chance to get better you just got to be willing to take advantage of it and teams like the bears and the chargers and the

teams you all talked about just had no interest in taking advantage of it because of the persona of who cam is cam is such a an alluring figure when he walks in a locker room he people know he's the man i mean you've stood next to him on the field i mean when i stand next to him i think he's a defensive end he doesn't look like a quarterback to me let's say a defensive end unbelievable and he has charisma he has the it factor nobody knows what it is but if he's got he's got it so you're 100 right when he walks into a room it is his room it's his room and so if you're if you're ryan pace in chicago and you're protected mvp mitch you can't bring in him so you give nick folks 17 million dollars as opposed to paying cam you know and you know there's so many quarterbacks

so i think belichick was the last chair standing. I mean, he just waited out. You know, and I've been saying this all along on my show. I thought that they were the best betting odds of any team because I think at this point when there's no money on the table, you're better off taking the best situation, not a phony deal. And that's what he did. He took a deal.

He's all in. He's told them, hey, look, I don't want to be talked about the starting quarterback i want to earn my way he's got that giant chip on his shoulder and you know what they've been able to do is lose one mvp and gain another i think it was a really smart move on their part one i've been saying for the last month or two yeah and i'm sure you've had conversations with your kid who's still in the building and you you've done some advising no no actually i i don't talk to my son about those things i i i uh you know he's usually like last night he got the phone call we're out having dinner and he got and somebody from the twitter universe uh called him and said hey i heard you got cam newton so he he found out about it just like every other

but i mean i have conversations with other people in that building that relate to that yeah so they bring in they were one of the first teams and only teams i talked to tom curran about this from mbc sports boston they were one of the only teams who did a physical health check on him whenever he was up for trade then conversations started speculating like all right patriots are going to bring in now i don't know what the carolina panthers were expecting in trade bait because they basically told everybody they were going to cut him in a couple weeks so nobody was going to trade with them because of that then when he hits the free agency market why do these teams that you talk about whenever bill walsh says the nfl give you a chance to get better and you just choose not to jacksonville jaguars they could have done it what is it strictly because

the persona of cam newton they're scared he's going to come in here and rattle some like what do they think it's going to be like hey we're trying to get better and sometimes by the way the people are really good at stuff they happen to have a personality you know why because they're really good at stuff and they've always been able to do that it's like why is that such a punishment and will bill josh and ernie make him his best player yet like accept his personality because it does feel like that's what the patriots do almost yeah i mean they're not going to stifle him they didn't stifle randy moss but what they will do for him is they will

run an offense that's conducive to what he does really well the guy's thrown 182 career touchdown passes 61 of those touchdown passes have come on third down so he's a dynamic player on third down not just with his arm but with his feet he's got you know he runs the come on third down. So he's a dynamic player on third down, not just with his arm, but with his feet. He's got, you know, he runs the ball on third down quite a bit. He's got 1600 yards rushing on third down and he converts at 63% of the time when he runs the ball on third down. So that's a whole other element that opens up. Now Cam's not Brady in the sense he's going to be a 70% completion or 67%. Cam's always been in the high 50s. But what you get with Cam are other things. You get power.

You get that ability to run them a little bit. You get the loose plays. You know, and you get the red zone. The Patriots, what people don't realize about the Patriots, they're 15th in the National Football League in red zone offense. That's historically bad for New England. This with Cam will make them much better. It just doesn't matter because if you stop them you can have the purpose this is just like lamar you can

have the perfect defense called but if you can't tackle the guy there's nothing you can do i would assume that josh mcdaniels who did a little bit of this with tebow at denver right a little play action rpo thing i would assume that josh mcdaniels ernie adams bill belichick saw what lamar was able to do to everybody last year saw what cam newton was able to do them twice and be like hey this game is kind of changing back to a powerhouse and in the afc east they've all tried to get to the quarterback so they might not even be able to handle a ground and pound at this particular moment i mean it feels like it's setting up for a cam newton maybe having his best year yet with Josh.

You know, and look, the one thing I've learned in my career in the NFL, when a player needs a great year and the team needs a player to have a great year, those two marriages come together fairly well. That's the best scenario. Randy Moss needed a great year. The Patriots needed a great year out of a receiver. All of a sudden, boom, it happens. And I think this is what you're going to see up there.

I think they know what they're going to get. And look, let's be real honest here. They're not going to try to force the Tom Brady offense on Cam Newton. They're going to run what Cam does really well within their scheme. And that opens up a whole other area for Josh McDaniels to really showcase his skills as an offensive coach. What does this do with Jared Stidham, who's obviously

going to be starter day one at training camp but his offense i assume is going to be very different than cam newton so how how does josh mctaniel's handle that with reps and and how like how how does that all work out well i think what i think this is the probably the best thing that could happen to stidham because he could sit back and the pressure of following in the footsteps of tom brady are no longer on his shoulders right so he gets he gets to be Jarrett Stidham, and he gets to come in there a little bit like Jimmy Garoppolo came in when he was playing with Tom Brady. So I think it's really a good move for Stidham, because if Stidham goes out there and doesn't play well and has a bad game, people are going to, you know, those things tend to mount. You know, Cam can handle those kind of situations. And look,

let's face it, the Patriots are going to win games the way they've always tried to win games, with all three phases. They're going to try to win it with their kicking game. They're going to try to win it with defense and win it with offense. They're not going to just say, Cam, here, go win the game. They're going to want to win the game in playing complementary football. I think their new

rookie kicker for Marshall has got more pressure on them than anybody. That's the guy that's got to really come through for them. He's got power. He's got size. He's got to come through for them. Yeah, that tattoo had to be. I was happy for the brand getting drafted,

and then immediately after it was like, well, he's also a terrible guy. It's like, well, I don't know anything about that, but he's getting his tattoo covered up. He's got a lot of pressure. Rookie kickers always have a lot of pressure pressure especially when you're on a team where the games count you get a lot of these guys who kick for these teams that stink and no offense to jason hansen but he kicked for 21 years not a single kick mattered the guy that did not matter that's why vinatieri is the goat by the way because he's played for teams where every single kick has

mattered you can't just kind of fall through like oh if he misses one it's okay like that happens with a lot of teams same with punting there's punters that go out there and punt 10 times a game and it does not matter this team stinks when you go to the Patriots when you go to teams like that like hey every single point every single kick matters and that's why the Patriots just do things differently and the fact that they got Cam Newton is absolutely insane Michael now that Cam is most likely going to be the starter, does that take away or does that lessen the fact that the Patriots' wide receivers weren't as skilled as they have been in the past

because they're going to be doing more running, more RPOs, stuff like that? Or did you see them maybe going out to get one of these receivers that have reinstated or anything like that? I think they really like their receiving card. I think if you watched the tape last year, I think Tom got into one of those, I'm throwing the ball to Edelman, I don't care what else happens. And that happens to veteran quarterbacks. They only trust a certain amount of guys.

This kid Bird that they picked up, if you want to play fantasy sports, draft Bird from New England. He's a really talented player. Ask Larry Fitzgerald about Bird from New England. He played with him at Arizona. Just ask him sometime if he's on the show what he thinks of Bird. Bird's got a chance to be a dynamic player, and I think Harry, you know, Harry's a big physical man who wins most all jump ball situations and can run. You watch the last game against Miami.

Harry's wide open a couple times on the two-minute drill, and they just don't get him the football. Again, that's not what Tom's strength was. Tom's strength wasn't throwing the ball outside the numbers. It was packing the middle of the field. I don't think the Patriots receivers are as bad as people suspect. Now they've got to perform, but I think they're a little bit better because I think when you watch the tape, guys are open. You know, what I say about receivers, if no one's open, we better fix our receivers.

If somebody's open, we might have a chance. That would happen last year. We need you to be faster, more explosive. I need you to run better routes. Can I give you what he tells us? Here, look, okay? Let me tell you. Catch the ball, run with it, and block.

Those are the only three things you have to do, okay? Period. Who's that? That's Bill? Yep, that's Bill. Catch, run, block. Okay? Hey, do your job. Hey, do your job.

Listen, do your job. It's not that complicated. No, just catch the ball. Okay, run. Run your ass off. And block. Wide receivers run miles every day, by the way. That is something I do.

Not as much as those AFL guys do. Collinswood had a tough one this week. I texted you. You were busy playing golf this weekend. Collinswood had a tough one on the chips. No,. You were busy playing golf this weekend. Collinswood had a tough one on the chips. No, when Collingwood, listen, I had the game on early as we were heading to the golf course. I saw us potentially going the other way, okay,

because the GWS goons, all right, these guys are playing a little bit dirty, a little bit selfish. We had Collingwood guys with blood all over their face. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And I knew it was going the other way, so I just stayed off of Twitter and my phone because I was catching some heat from down under,

and then I got text messages from you like, oh, tough one, Pat. I'm like, Lombardi, I'm trying to have a great weekend here. Get off my ass. And then Sunday night, last night, my great weekend went to complete gloom and doom because it's like, of course the Patriots. To your point, there's a meme going around right now.

The Bears are paying Nick Foles and Mitchell Trubisky $21 million for their two quarterbacks. Of course the Patriots do. To your point, there's a meme going around right now. The Bears are paying Nick Foles and Mitchell Trubisky $21 million for their two quarterbacks. I mean, think about that. This isn't the first time I've had this conversation. I've written about this on the app. I mean, I've been talking about it. Like Jared Goff, would you rather have Cam Newton at the minimum or Jared Goff at $35 million?

I won't even wait for you. Cam Newton. I won't even wait for you. Cam Newton. I won't even wait for you. Like, Bella, I could bring Bella in here, and she'll give me that answer too. You know, it's like this is just absurd. And a lot of it is the agenda. As a player, you don't always feel the agenda from the front office. There's an agenda that goes into these decisions.

And Ryan Pace's agenda to make MVP Mitch look good. You know, Les Snead and the Rams, they've got it. They're all in on Jared Goff. They're never going to be. And my next book is going to be about this, about bias. And there's so much bias in decision-making in the NFL that the fans don't. Everybody thinks we're all in this to win, right? Winning certain ways matter more than just winning.

Well, it's ego, right? It's 100% ego. 100% ego driven. I mean, Trent Richardson, whenever you traded him away from the Cleveland Browns to the Indianapolis Colts for a first-run draft pick. And got fired. Do you need to leave that?

Don't leave that. So don't forget that. Now, I got fired after that. And the guy that traded for him got a concerted extension. It's a wonderful league, the National Football League. Yeah, yeah a wonderful league the national yeah yeah okay so but whenever he got signed like we didn't really know we tried to welcome trent in because we had a squad right we tried to welcome trent in he was very nice or whatever but then he was forced into the starting role right because he's a first round draft pick now so this guy is the first round draft pick he was forced in a starting

role and for some reason whenever we had him i don't know how he was at browns i didn't watch enough film when he should have zigged he zagged like every single time and there was like sky cam views and everything like that and he just for some reason couldn't get on with our offense but he was continuing to be the starter because he was this big trade right and then the team the players were told that if we could put our egos aside and all buy in we could be a team that could be very special and i immediately was like is it our egos that need to be put aside or the person that makes me punt on fourth and 17 whenever we run every single time there's always that ego thing and it's like my brain's bigger i want to win my way with my guys that happens everywhere

and i literally got a chance to kind of see it but you're 100% right most players they're so focused on football they're so focused on their job they're not even worried about all that but all I could think about was oh this guy that has been fining me for things now he makes this decision bad one now I got to deal with now I got a punt backed up in my end zone every single time we get a ball because like there I started to view that but you're 100 right it's not a normal thing the players see because they're so focused on their job fans don't see it because they're like oh why is this happening it does feel as if that's in

every world though not just football it's in all sports i mean and there's an agenda and you have to make decisions in sports without bias and it's really hard to do it's really hard to do and and because we want to be because everybody's chasing the you know to the the hall of fame everybody's chasing that newspaper headline hey what a great job you've done you know like let's be real honest if you're david i call him david blaine caldwell because he's truly a magician down in jacksonville for eluding the firing block but for for them for them to not sign cam Newton is really an injustice. I mean, how can somebody scream that the Patriots are tanking, which they never were?

There's some people in the media screaming that. And meanwhile, Jacksonville has Mike Glennon and Gardner Minshew on the thing. I mean, it's just to me. Connor said that, by the way. Boston Connor, New England Patriots fan. He said that the Patriots were tanking for Trevor Lawrence. Slander. Just two days ago.

Slander. Just two days ago, he said. I never heard that out of Connor. Never. He said it when you were sending me that Collingwood bull text. He was saying that on a golf course. He was like, we're going to stink. We'll get Trevor Lawrence.

Who cares? We're back. And then all of a sudden, last night, while we're all in a haze still from everything that happened in Michigan, this text comes through and Conor's like, just like I thought. Still got the dynasty. We're still going to win it all. I mean, it is a tale of two days there with Cam Newton. But I said this before you got on.

Whenever we have to deal with these New england patriot fans that are going to be next level okay they are going to be for for good reason greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports we thought was over they get back right into this thing whenever they win the first week like 28 13 and cam's got 160 yards on the ground and 160 passing and they win and then the next week they get going and these patriots fans who have been cast off right when time leaves they are going to be louder than they have ever been before and this is what people are going to have to deal with they're they they should be I am sending them directly down to Jacksonville and David Blaine Caldwell in the cons I'm gonna be like hey this is your fault you

should have signed this man and you didn't blame him he's for all those Patriot haters out there don't get mad at the pitch you are a Patriot oh don't for all those patriot haters out there don't get mad at the pitch you're all a patriot oh don't say us patriot haters out there i mean for all the patriot oh yeah i will say this though i think watch tampa may i wouldn't be surprised if tampa makes another move i wouldn't be surprised if tampa now that new england got cam i wouldn't be surprised if tampa made another move an Antonio Brown. I did. Here you go. You can put two in. You're like Sherlock Holmes with that shirt on.

You think Antonio Brown's going down to Tampa because that conversation started early and Bruce was like, no, no, not for me, dog. I'm thinking they're chipping away. You know how Andy used to chip away at the wall at Shawshank? Chip, chip, chip. I think there's some chipping going on down there., you know. I think there's some chipping going on down there.

There you go. Yep, I think there's some chipping going on down there, Pat. I'm just saying keep your antennas up. You heard it here first. Just keep your antennas up. Is that breaking news right there? You're saying Antonio Brown? I'm not breaking.

I'm saying that there's a lot of chipping going on down there, and it wasn't the kind you guys were doing on the golf course. Well, there wasn't a lot. There wasn't a lot. I played. I'm potentially going right into the PGA here in like two more weeks. I played four times, shot a legit 38. Okay, one breakfast ball, 39.

I shot a legit 38 the other day on a very difficult course. I feel very, very good about my golf game. The more you play, it'll come down. I mean, you know, that's the beauty of golf. The more you practice, the better it becomes. A mean, you know, that's the beauty of golf. The more you practice, the better it becomes. A lot of the guys here got worse as the weekend went on, which was quite a surprise. They should give it up.

That means they should give it up. If you get worse when you're doing it, you've got to give it up. But Antonio Brown going to the Buccaneers would be a whole different game now. That would be a whole different game. All right, we've got to get to a break. Mike, I love talking to you, man. But you did say us Patri us patriot haters which makes me think patriot haters in fact you could i wrote a column today and i wrote it exactly the way i just said

it to you in the column the athletic we can write the athletic uh-huh the athletic i wrote it this morning how's that work i gotta be a member to read that thing yeah you do you got it's like three dollars it's one beer It's one beer a month. Smart. Up there, that's one cone. Up in Michigan. It's five bucks, I think. How much was it? How much were the cones? I think they were seven. It's easier.

I love Connor's outfit today. Perfect. It's well done. Hey, check it out. Is that funny? I'll tell you what. That's the beautiful thing about Raider fans They don't ever give up their jersey They just duct tape the other side So they always have the right number somehow

Yeah this is like a Browns fan here He's just going to start listing names on the back Because that's what the Patriots are about to start doing Ladies and gentlemen Michael Lombardi Thank you I appreciate you Thank you Today's show is brought to you by Lisa.

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it's great for all body types just like this show oh smooth transition winning awards for that type of stuff. Hello. Welcome to McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. I am the first half of that name, Pat McAfee. To my left is Mr. A.J. Hawk. A.J., the Cam Newton to the New England Patriots story is one that we all knew was inevitably going to come.

There's a lot of bad football teams that could have signed Cam Newton. They chose not to. Now the greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports signs them are you as bummed as i am that we thought that the patriots were potentially dead now they're better than ever and it's insane well yeah i mean of course it's insane i i the first thing you think of are people like connor and the fans of the new england patriots but i don't really have like a crazy one way or the other feeling about the patriots do you like have you always have you always been like a patriots hater no but i do know that their fans are insufferable whenever they get going and for good reason this is a fan base that has done nothing but win

for 20 years and they are from a town where it's okay to be loud. And they've had nothing but good stuff to cheer for when it comes to the Patriots. The biggest sport in the biggest league in the world. Their team has reigned supreme. And they were not scared to let everybody know. And for good reason. But now, there's a little chink in the armor you know what i mean there was a little bit of a little bit of a letdown coming there was a little bit of a chance

that they go from penthouse to outhouse there was a potential shit storm brewing in foxborough in new england there was yeah you have the greatest coach but we have a quarterback that can't even throw a ball last time he threw was a pick six you talked to their players not a single one said jared sit-in was a good player all you ever heard was he's a good guy he's a good guy then bill belichick comes out and says well we like all we're like oh we don't know what's gonna happen later you're like you know what patriots fans for the first time in two decades are gonna have to sit here and watch the rest of the league compete for that title of always being in the playoffs, potentially always being in an AFC championship game, potentially always being in a Super Bowl.

Now you got a guy named Stidham that nobody knows or nobody likes. Then they come out of nowhere and sign a player that could have been signed by every shitty team across the league that chose not to. And now Bill Belichick, Josh McDanieliels and ernie adams have a new toy with a completely new style of offense and they're right back in it yet again and their fans are going to be tough to handle this year because you know what they're going to say everybody told us we were dead everybody said it was tom brady ah now what are we now what are we five and oh six and oh seven and oh eight no because cam newton which anybody signed, but we did because we're the smartest. That is what we're going to have to deal with, and this is 100% Shad Khan, Tony Khan,

and that Jacksonville Jaguar team's fault, and we have to deal with it. So, yeah, I do have feelings in one particular way because we're going to have to deal with that thing, that thing right there all year now. When he was potentially moving to Australia for the AFL, he wasn't even going to watch the NFL anymore. Well, how about for Conor, though?

So let's say the New England Patriots go out there and their Cam Newton plays at an MVP level, and they make a run, but they don't win the Super Bowl. Guys like Conor, they're still going to be the whole season. They're going to be what we've seen the last, what, 20 years now? But how good is it going to feel for you and the boys, Pat, if Cam Newton, say it's not even his fault, the team just can't gel and they go 6-10.

What's that going to feel like for you to watch him? You know that's not going to happen. Why? I think the last time they won nine games or something was like 1999 or something. I believe the last recorded nine-win season was 2002. But whatever the case, they put Castle in there, they fucking won. They put Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy G in there, they fucking won. Now they've got a guy who was an MVP two years ago.

So how much pressure is that on Cam now? I mean, I think that's huge pressure because now all of a sudden everyone's saying they're back. Like, oh, we didn't miss a beat. We got Cam. No, not everybody's saying they're back, by the way. A lot of people who don't have brains, like Cam Newton's bad. That's what people are saying right now.

There's a reason nobody else wanted to sign him. It's like, oh, fucking Bill Belichick wanted to sign him, though. Does that not carry any weight in this discussion, that Bill Belichick wanted to sign him? Nobody else wanted him. It's like, well, you know, nobody else is Bill Belichick either. How about that? Andy Reid, I guess, was kind of inching near close

to be like one of the smartest coasters of all time because he's been able to win through all these different generations and decades and who knows if anybody's gonna be able to stop the chiefs especially in the afc but bill belichick this is an interesting thing when the patriots cut somebody that person is signed off of waivers every single time okay because everybody in the nfl is like well if bill belichick think this person was good enough to be on their roster they're definitely good enough to be on our star if you're on a shitty team and you get cut you're gonna clear waivers you're gonna get an option to go wherever because it doesn't hold as much respect but in this case everybody's like cam newton is not the player once was he's hurt it's like well bill belichick thought he was a fucking guy he's like

what does that mean i'll tell you what it means it means that the guy that's the best at this whole thing thinks that he's still got it and he paid shit for him no money he is being paid this year and he's gonna be their starting quarterback seven and a half million dollars if they go and win the super bowl is what it'll end up being and they'll have to pay that next year one million dollar contract for cam newton at the new england patriots it's unbelievable this is a hundred percent jacksonville jaguars fault, when we have to deal with that son of a bitch all season being jacked up when he was potentially dead. He was dead.

Look at the language he's got on his thing. He was dead. He had no happiness left. He was completely distraught. And now it's just one Sunday night signing, and it's all she wrote. And by the way, perfectly timing of the signing to kind of bury the news of them getting punished for Spygate and the Bengals. But that's neither here nor there. They got a team again. It's all she wrote. And by the way, perfectly timing of the signing to kind of bury the news of them getting punished for Spygate and the Bengals. But that's neither here nor there.

They got a team again. It's unbelievable. Yes, it is. No, that is here. It's here and right now, I think. How do you think that played out? Is it possible that this was a coincidence that all this happened basically right at the same time?

They were just waiting for whenever the NFL was going to release these penalties. Like, hey, Schefter, give us a heads up when you're going to tweet that out because we got some news of our own so when the nfl sent you a little heads up we got some we'd like to drop too shepter probably tell us belichick hey i just want to let you know the nfl just came through with their breakdown on you for the spy gate at cincinnati this is what it is and belgica goes cool uh we're sending cam newton and jeff was like wait a fuck a minute according to my sources okay according to my sources the nfl is punishing the patriots but patriots are signing cam newton i'll report this one first and this one second that's what sheffield was putting

kind of like an insider conundrum there like which one which one do I break first? Oh, Cam Newton's a much bigger story. But, oh, the punishment too. Oh, we'll do them within the same minute. And then one got buried on the other. They did that on purpose for sure. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah, but does the league want it to be buried, the Patriots' punishment?

I don't think the league cares. You don't think? I mean, they want to look like yes we're taking a a strong stance like oh we're not going to allow any form of cheating whether you think this is cheating or not but they don't want it's still bad news for the league when a team gets fined 1.1 million dollars and gives up what a third round pick that's what i'm saying the league does not like to hear or have people hear that their league is flawed so they like the fact that it's buried with the news oh yeah now granted a lot of patriots fans will come out against that they're like oh you their league is flawed. Do they like the fact that it's buried with the Cam Newton news?

Oh yeah. Now granted, a lot of Patriots fans will come out against that. They're like, Oh, you think that the NFL doesn't like bad news. They came after Tom Brady seven years after deflating game, which valid,

very valid that he got suspended two years later for four games. But the NFL is very okay. If that gets buried in lieu of Cam Newton getting back in the league. I think personally. Because the league never wants to hear bad stuff said about it. And imagine if this whole show right now was about, do you remember the Patriots? They had their camera people up in the booth shooting at the Cincinnati Bengals sideline. That's what the conversation could be today.

But instead it's of course they signed cam newton for zero dollars and become favorites in the afc east yet again betting favorites in the afc east yet again which they did they went from plus 120 tied with the buffalo bills to plus 100 and bills at plus 160 i mean it immediately overnight their overrunner goes from nine to nine and a half i mean it just by the way hammering the over on that hammering the over on that i i am all in i am all in on the cam newton uh train wherever it is because i think with his personality having to prove himself again he's gonna be all the way back but now even more so that he's with the best coach to ever fucking coach football and josh mcdaniels we have josh mcdaniels that to craft whatever kind of, you know how multiple

they can be. They play to whatever players they have on the roster. They craft everything around them. So, McDaniels, you know, is probably, since they even have floated the idea of signing Cam Newton, he's probably been drawing up all kinds of packages for this guy. And it's going to be fun to watch. And that's what I think is going to be

gigantic for Cam. It's a win-win for everybody. The Patriots get a super high value, high value low money pick like this is complete upside for us this is nothing especially to pay a quarterback in the nfl that wasn't mvp in the league and then for cam yeah hey i go out there and i kill it i'm gonna get a gigantic deal i'm coached by some amazing guys maybe i stay here and i become the next tom brady he might be the best cam newton we've ever seen yep maybe he all signs he seems to be in the best shape he's ever been in he has a chip on his shoulder so he's ready to go and he's going to have bill belichick and ernie sims what's his name adams ernie sims great linebacker ernie sims is my guy great linebacker. I like Ernie. I love Ernie. You play with Ernie? We came out the same draft class.

You ever play alongside him? Not with him, no. So you don't know Ernie as well as I do. Ernie's awesome. I don't know exactly what you mean, but. I'm not saying he's a whole changed man, but Ernie is awesome. Ernie was one of the coolest dudes I've ever. We got a heads up when he was coming into our locker room about him, though.

If it means anything. You got a what? A heads up. Like, hey, something's coming into your locker room that you've never seen before. Oh, okay. Who gave you the heads up? You know what I'm talking about. People were calling into the Colts like, hey, wait until you see this.

Like that type. He's awesome. Ernie's the greatest. But Ernie Adams now is up in the booth for Cam Newton telling him, you know how he had that Clay Matthews moment? Like, oh, you've been watching film? Ha ha. Watch this.

Ernie's doing that every single play for Cam Newton. I mean, Ernie and Bill and Josh, that's going to be. They don't have a lot of weapons. Mohamed Sanu, I guess they have. Julian Edelman, they have. They have Sonny Michelle. They have good running backs. Okay. They do that. Mohamed Sanu, I guess they have. Julian Edelman, they have. They have Sonny Michel. They have good running backs, okay? They do that.

Bird from Arizona, who Lombardi loves. Oh, yeah, this Bird guy from Arizona, I guess, is unbelievable. Larry Fitzgerald will account for that. What about the tight end situation? Oh, Dalton Keene, don't even get me started, my man. The next Rob Gronkowski, 2.0. This is what I was told this morning by that fucking doofus right there. He said, oh, we got a tight end from Virginia Tech. He had zero drops last year.

Yep. I was like, well, how many catches did he have? Because you have zero drops and he don't throw you the ball every day. He's like, oh, 36 or something like that. I'm like, 36? That's actually pretty good. Turned out to be like 19 or something like that. They never throw the ball.

So did he not drop the ball? Yes, he didn't drop the ball. But they literally never threw him the fucking ball. It was just a lot. Oh, no drops. Double cover. Still can't argue with no drops. Yeah.

Yeah, but he had to hammer home the drop thing even more. I just, somehow, some way, all these other teams won't sign him, but fucking the Patriots will. And now it's just like we're back. Doesn't it make complete sense? Like, this is the most, it was not surprising news. We were saying this two months ago. Why would the Patriots not sign Cam Newton?

And I think I understand why. I'm sure it was always on the radar, but they're like, hey, the longer we wait, the lower the price goes. We know we're probably going to be one of the only teams shopping around trying to find out, see what Cam has, and we don't have to bait against other teams. So he knew, hey, we get all the leverage as time goes, and today seemed like the right time, or what, days ago and they got it done and i would not i mean i would not say that they did not think about when those punishments were going to be handed

down not to just do the signing then if we hold off his price will go down yes because it's alleged now i don't know how they knew that nobody else is going to take him maybe because the patriots just know everybody's a bunch of fucking idiots maybe i don't know maybe that's the case jackson you think jackson's gonna they need them right but they're not there's no way bears oh they're gonna pay 17 million and nick foals 21 million together for mitch and nick okay so they're not even thinking about no chargers took air bear okay so nobody else is taken them no oh let's just wait this thing out until those punishments come and then we just fuck it we're on to Cam Newton with the with the announcement I mean that's exactly I would not put that past them just because of how you know I think how highly I think of how they think I think they're playing their attention legit

chess attention to detail don't you think that like their attention to detail when you have like crazy attention to detail like that it's not just in one aspect of your life it's every single thing you do so if that's the old patriot way that people like to talk about and a lot of people are telling me you don't talk to anybody about that pat what's that like the patriot way like anyone that's ever like i think bill belichick even said like i've never said the patriot way like that's not something that they like promote it's just kind of a thing that they don't talk about or they don't even have to say other people talk about it it's just like hey this is the way it goes like i i don't know i think their players have talked about patriot way like

whenever they leave like yeah yeah but it's not like it's not like painted all over the place and they say hey guys you got to do it the patriot way like that's that turns corny no i think it's just the culture this is what the culture of the patriot way is it's like the colts we had a we had a winning culture there for a long time and then it literally got painted over literally it still confuses me me too didn't make any sense i'm happy to see i didn't i'd never talked to robert about any of that by the way i try to keep my conversations with you know like i'll fluff conversations have a good time oh a little business conversation let's do that but that whole year like those ogs just a whole different i mean they've been around a lot longer they built that culture for a lot longer than i had i mean i came in there three years tried to do my best to

fit in but they built that culture and then just got completely ruined the patriot way i think that is talked about as alumni guys, guys that have left. Like, hey, this is how we do it. You know, this is how we did it. And I think that's kind of how it got spurned. But obviously, Bill Belichick's the head of that Patriot way because these are his expectations. This is what he's expecting of you.

You're going to be the consummate pro at all times, every meeting, every workout, every practice, in the locker room, on the road, in your hotel, when you're wiping your ass you are doing everything in this professionalism we are expecting you to be this professional and i would say a lot of teams hope for that and strive for that but the culture just isn't that it seems like it has been that new england and you add in cam newton there with a chip on his shoulder i mean geez louise is cam too good to the point where uh like the whole

belichick brady debate you know even if belichick does well without brady they'll still say well he had cam newton it's it's still more brady than it was belichick i don't depends who you're talking to are you talking to a patriots fan or the other 49 states 49 states yeah the other 49 well new england by the way is like what eight states uh yes four but yeah eight four yeah four uh new england maine vermont massachusetts rhode island maybe five new england is not a what about man maine is not does that say uh yeah no maine's part of it okay so maine new hampshire new hampshire new hampshire massachusetts massachusetts rhode island connecticut I don't think. Connecticut's not in New England, no.

But I think Rhode Island is. I'm on it. I know Connecticut is not. It's interesting. New York is not a part of New England. No, no, no, no, no. But it is New York. Six.

So I was right. Oh, Connecticut's in. Not really. He was right, I guess. No, you were right. Yeah, but Price is right. I'm over. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island. Five. Oh, yeah, cool. Nice. You were right. Yeah, but Price is right. I'm over. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island.

Five. Oh, yeah. Cool. Connecticut. Connecticut. Connecticut is it. Six. Connecticut.

Good for them. Happy for Connecticut. Good day. Is 4th of July massive up there? Oh, yeah. Huge. 4th of July in Cape Cod is a good time. I have been kicked in the face, but still a good time.

Is there a minute, Ben? Couldn't even imagine it this year when you guys got a good time. I have been kicked in the face, but it's still a good time. Is there a minute, Ben? Couldn't even imagine it this year when you guys got a quarterback again. If you back up 12 seconds, didn't Connor say after he mentioned all this, and I don't claim to know geography as well as Connor, but he said, well, I know for a fact Connecticut is not in there. That's what you're getting, though. This morning he woke up with a brand new fucking energy. That's what you're getting, though.

And this morning, he woke up with a brand new fucking energy. I mean, I went on a speech earlier on your earlier show about how Tony Khan, Shad Khan, David Caldwell, and the Jacksonville Jaguars owe us all an apology. Okay? They owe us all an apology. Why is that the only team that owes you an apology? Because they stink. Are there any other teams? They brought in Mike Glennon as their backup quarterback.

No offense to Mike Glennon. Hey, Mike Glennon,on as their backup quarterback. No offense to Mike Lennon. Hey, Mike Lennon, probably an incredible backup quarterback. A backup quarterback's job, much like a vice president to a president, is to serve the starter, right? So I understand that. But now you're saying Gardner Minshew is 100% your guy, and we're behind this guy more than we would be behind anybody else. He wasn't that big of an investment.

He was a fifth-round draft pick. He had one year of kind of success. They weren't even that successful, but they got a fan base. Is that going to wear off? Is Gardner Minshew going to be worth a single fuck next year? Nobody has a clue. Nobody has a clue. But if he isn't, good news, bring in Glennon.

You're off and running. And then while that's all happening, okay, I'm happy for them. You started a fire in your house. Fucking good. Watch that bookcase behind you. Those books are kindling back here. Watch that. So if the Patriots

go on to dominate, though, which I'm sorry about that. My old lighter died in this thing. That was a fucking Elon Musk flamethrower that you just lit your cigar with. What happened? How does this thing? I know I always turn them up, but yeah.

That could be dangerous trying to unbutton my eyebrows up there. Could be. Could you imagine if I hit the old water pipe with that thing? See you next year. See ya. You are dead. But whatever this Patriots team does very well, you know how hard it's going to be to listen to these people who were written off.

Listen, they were written off. Listen, they were written off. The Patriots were written off completely. Tom Brady's gone. Patriots stink. They were written off completely, these people. Like, yeah, it's over. Dynasty's over. Jared Stidham throws pick sixes.

Brian Hoyer threw five picks last year. The other quarterbacks aren't even getting asked about in any of these commercials or any of these interviews. What are you guys going to do? You guys stink. They're like, oh, we got Bill Belichick. We'll we'll figure it out we'll figure it out and weren't they fucking right bill belichick figured it out he ended up paying four dollars for a mvp quarterback to come in there and replace him and it's just it's gonna work out and this is all jaguars fault jaguars

could have got cam newton out of new england they chose not to and that is on them but what if okay so for that shit in the pool i'm gonna shit in going to go shit in a pool. I'm going to go shit in one of their pools in a stadium. They would be happy to have you. You bring our good publicity down there. They would love for you to go. Why are you so mad about it? I don't understand why you're so mad at the Jags, but you can't truly

be mad at the Jags until we see what Gardner Minshew is. What if Gardner Minshew turns into the next stud quarterback, a top five quarterback in the league? Is he going to be the next Cam Newton? Look how dumb we were. Why did we sign Cam? Is Gardner Minshew the next Cam Newton?

Maybe. I don't know. No, I'm not saying he is. Maybe he'll be an MVP like Cam Newton. Maybe. Maybe. Obviously, though, Pat, the Jacksonville Jaguars believe Gardner Minshew is the man. No, they're looking for Trevor Lawrence, dog.

I don't know. If he fell into their lap, yes. Who wouldn't want to have Trevor Lawrence? Or they could move up like the Packers with Jordan Love. Jacksonville could move up like the Packers did with Jordan Love. I'm just saying, until we see what

Gardner Minshew is, I don't think you can 100% put this on the Jags. But you don't have to be around Patriots fans every Gardner Minshew is, I don't think you can 100% put this on the Jags. But you don't have to be around Patriots fans every day, right? No, I don't. See, we do. That is why it is. Look at that. That's why it is a different ballgame for how I feel versus how you feel

because for good reason, this spoiled in the sports world kid is the most arrogant sports fan I've ever heard in my entire life. Okay? Arrogant. Worse than that little fucking kid that shows up at all those parades with the signs.

Okay? Worse than that little kid. What's his name? That kid. Connor's worse than that kid. And Connor knows it. Oh, yeah. And now we thought

that was potentially dead. He hopped over to the AFL to find a new team that he could potentially be like that for because he knew the Patriots were dead. It hit him just in the face last week that Tom Brady was no longer their quarterback. I mean, it hit him right now. So we thought we were seeing a little humility from this guy for the first time when it comes to his sports fanhood, okay? Really?

Oh, guys, I'm going to figure out golf, okay? He's starting to figure out golf. I like the AFL. He started saying, you know, hey, Boston Bruins, still like them a little bit. Hockey's cool. Kind of moved off the Patriots thing. I was like, ah, we might stink. I don't know, but it's okay.

I'm finding other things. Now this signing, boom. He is right back to square one. Look at this. Look at this. Oh. That's why, AJ. That's why I blame the cons.

That kid. That fucking kid. That's Connor, basically. Just Connor has... Pretty close. I did go to all eight of those parades in that 11-year span. So, I mean, we did essentially live the same life. Except I was older and got to enjoy it more, and it's been way more fun. And louder.

And louder and louder. See, Pat, I'm not around diehard Patriots fan like that every single day, but I guess it doesn't bother me. Look, to me, it's fun. It's funny. I'm thinking, I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. I'm like, hey, maybe I wouldn't act like that, but they have

reason to act like that. If I was them, I would act the exact same way. They have every reason to do that. I would be ins, I would act the exact same way. They have every reason to do that. I would be insufferable. If the team I played on for 20 years was fucking nine Super Bowls, six wins, I would be tough. And if I was in the sports media world, everything I said would be gospel, by the way.

Anything I said, like, oh, I was on a team, nine Super Bowls, six wins. Were you? No. Okay. Shut the fuck up. That's what I thought. Orlovsky, go okay. Shut the fuck up. That's what I thought. Orlovsky, go ahead and shut the fuck up. It would be hard.

I would be insufferable, which I understand why he is the way he is. I just thought that day was over. I thought those ended. No, no. The storybook continues. We're into extra innings now on this thing. And what happens in five years when cam newton gets tired and bill belichick's like 97 years old at that time he's

like man i think we can do it again what other players get fun to call steve rogers aaron rogers yeah we'll fucking bring in aaron rogers now bang another three years of aaron rod i mean it's just this could go forever or you know what it this could go forever. Or, you know what, it definitely could go forever. Think about it. The plan is in place right now to keep this in the family. Belichick could coach another 10 years and turn the team over to Steve, who's coaching possibly the D coordinator right now. Hear, hear, hear, hear.

I will say I love Steve Belichick. I love him. Me too. I love the mullet. I love the way he talks exactly like his dad. He acts exactly like his dad. Who did we talk to? Van Noy?

Uh-huh. Van Noy said that he's good, too. He said, like, old buddy Steve Belichick, he's good. Like, he'll listen to his players. And think of Steve, too. Steve's not playing the game, either, to where most assistant coaches. Jeez, he looks amazing. Weapon.

Like, most assistant coaches, they have to play the game to where they have an agent, and then their agent talks to media members, and they're trying to work their way up. So you've got to always float your name out there and get it written about in articles, like you're up for this job, you're interviewing for this or that. Like Steve Belichick doesn't look like he's playing any games because you never hear about the dude.

Like he legit almost doesn't exist, but he's a big-time coach there. Somebody in the YouTube comments section just called me insufferable. Yep, somebody in there did. Oh, he said Pat's insufferable. No, he said Pat called me insufferable. Yep, somebody in there did. Oh, he said Pats are insufferable. No, he said Pat is already insufferable. Did he say Pat or is he talking about Pat the Patriot, the mascot? He is, by the way. Pat the Patriot.

Who is also number one, by the way. So number one right now isn't actually a jersey on the roster. That is real. No one's worn it since 2002. I wonder if Cam Newton wears the number one for the Patriots. If the Patriots organization will just give number one jerseys to every fucking human that comes into the Patriots stadium like the Colts did.

That'll be interesting. Why don't they... You don't think they'll give him number 12? He should wear 12. He should wear 12. 12 is on the table at the moment. Yeah. That'd be awesome.

12 should not be on the table. That'd be awesome. I just want to let you... If the Patriots just let somebody wear 12, very fucked up. Yeah, no, I would agree. I want him to be agent zero. I want him to wear zero.

Would be awesome if Cam Newton has zero. Is that legal? Some league opened it up. NCAA maybe? I think so. Yeah, because they added double zero. Pat, you think the Patriots would be cool if Cam came in and made a bunch of news the first two months because he was trying to lobby the league to open up double zero?

Would be awesome. College football can now wear zero. College football can wear zero. The NFL cannot. College football probably not going to. I hate to be the bearer of bad news. I feel like I'm normally a pretty positive guy. Today, can't take him already, okay,

for the rest of the, can't take him for the rest of the thing because, I i mean how many teams did we pitch for cam newton to go to six i think i pitched six different teams and then new england was obviously always in there because they didn't have a quarterback so i'm not happy about that uh but college football feels like that one's going to be tough to get back is it all because what morehouse shut down all their stuff what was it i don't know anything about morehouse shutting down their football program until a real program that makes i'm not saying morehouse isn't a real program but until a

influencer program you know a program that really changes things then it'll be different but i think the big issue is getting students back on campus because what you're doing you see is just you know calling for covet 19 from all over the country to please come into one area maybe international too because the way schools are set up then let's move them all into one building as well let's assume that they all are gonna at least say hello to each other with their penises you know what i mean there's gonna be some stuff that goes on covid19 is gonna spread around that and then it's gonna stop they're gonna get quarantined and universities i would assume are trying to

figure out how this will be possible how do we even do it and if there's no students on universities on campus can they have a football season a lot of people are saying no because then if the students aren't there they're just athletes but if the students are all taking online classes which has been happening i guess already would then student athletes be able to do their online classes and play football in an open, empty stadium? Questions that have to be asked and we assume will be asked within the next month or so because this has to get figured out rather quickly. Yeah, it's June 29th right now.

First game is supposed to be August 20th, right? Yeah, plus you've got, what, 17 days of training camp before that? Oh, hey, man. So I saw this guy, and I was asking him about, like, okay, let's say college football's playing, and a stadium says we can have 25,000 fans. My question was, like, okay, I'm in Ohio State. I have tickets to Ohio State or whatever.

Who gets the tickets? How do they decide there's 20,000? Boosters, obviously, whoever paid the most money. Well, I talked to this one booster guy, and he goes, well, think about it. I don't think they're going to have the crazy demand that you think because he made, like, these different protocols on how they're getting people into the stadium, out of the stadium, all this stuff.

They have all these different situations. This is how we'll sit 20,000. This is how we can seat 40,000, whatever. But he said there's, like, first off, there's no tailgating. That's all gone. So you can't tailgate. I got to while watching a buck ass no yeah you gotta or you gotta sneak it in you gotta you gotta you gotta put it in some orifice and get into the stadium i guess and find a way but you can't do they like if it's a noon game which i guess a lot of games

will be at noon they'll have like a an eight to nine group where you have to go in the stadium and stay there you can't leave then there's like a 8 to 9 group where you have to go in the stadium and stay there. You can't leave. Then there's like a 9 to 10, so you may have to go to the game three hours early before and just sit there and hang out. That's good. You get to watch kickers warm up, pre-warm up. I've always said people should go in earlier, watch a show, enjoy the show.

They might do that. I think there might be some schools thinking of, like, for all those people coming there early, have something for them. Like them like oh like a lacrosse game or a different sport from that that school playing at the same time well then you got to worry about those kids now on the field with it i mean it's gonna be the college one is real because of all the hypocritical shit that the ncaa is either gonna have to do or has done before. The NFL is going to happen. I mean, that's just going to happen. The NFL director of medicine has already come out, which I didn't know existed. He said, hey, Fotch, you worry about your own shit. We'll figure it

out. The NFL PA director, medical director, which I didn't know existed. I don't think you did. Tom Brady doesn't give a fuck he exists either. He came out and said that players can't be working out together. That's because they're both setting up for a big negotiation within the next couple weeks about what training camp policies are and stuff like that. So you're going to see a lot of players not give a damn about what Demore Smith or the medical professional from the NFLPA is saying. And the only reason why Demore Smith and the NFLPA medical person is saying this is so that they have it written down.

So whenever they get into the negotiation with the NFL is we we've always said this, this is how we feel. The NFL is like, well, your players are already doing it. So it's going to cause quite a commotion. But players do not give a damn what this guy has to say or what the NFLPA doctor has to say. All they're worrying about now is how can I be the best at what I do so I can make a living for my family moving forward? I'll let you keep all the legal

bullshit that you guys need to handle behind closed doors, behind closed doors. So I think that's going to be an ongoing problem for the NFLPA is the players are not going to listen to this. Okay. This is, this is not going to happen, but within the next couple of weeks, the NFLPA in the NFL are going to have to meet up on guidelines, expectations, how is it going to go, how many hours, all that stuff. Just like the MLB and the MLBPA had to go through, and the NBA and the MBPA are going through. That's all setting itself up right now, and you can see the NFLPA vamping for that,

getting themselves ready from a legality standpoint, and the NFL is doing the same thing. But the NFL players do not give a single fuck about that. Not a single iota of give a single about that not not a single iota of is given about that hey who do you think do you think like the uh there's members of the the nfl pa that are sitting there like hey one of us has got to reach out to tom we got to let tom know like you can't be doing these workouts it's so public and then they sit there like well i'm not doing it i'm not doing it you know And they got to give it to some intern who's got to call poor Tom and tell him he can't do this anymore.

Yeah, and Tom will go, who are you? I'm an intern for the NFLPA. Put DeMorris on the phone. Who's your boss? DeMorris Smith? Is he on the phone? No, he's not? Oh, I don't want to hear it then.

I don't even want to hear it. Just get the hell out. He doesn't even care. If DeMorris was on there. He doesn't care. Don't care. Hey, listen, DeMorris, your job was to get the CBA done. Congrats.

You guys did that. Very, very thankful. Now what I need you to do is get the fuck out of the way. We're playing football. Now you just need to get out of the way. And Tim Hasselbeck this morning was rather hilarious, right? He said, like, these guys were doing workouts. Like, you know know the workout still

counts if you don't post about it like if you don't take pictures or videos like the workout still counts but they got a news team six flying over the tampa tom and the tompa bay gronkineers down there there's nothing they could do i just i think that it's going to be very tough to get these players especially the the buccaneers who Tom feels like he probably needs to be around as much as possible so he can get in rhythm with. It's going to be very difficult to get these players to stop working out. And I think the NFLPA is potentially setting themselves up for massive embarrassment

when nobody listens to a fucking word that they say. And that's just, hey, you got our Madden checks? Yeah. Okay, shut up. You got a Cba done okay shut up how about that yeah the majority of nfl teams like you could have 10 12 players thrown to each other throwing on a high school field and no one's going to notice like you probably wouldn't realize but tom brady and them they're gonna obviously they got news news helicopters following them people

are going to be checking on them to find it but most people could do it and if you don't post about it maybe that's just what's going to happen. They're going to keep working out and not post about it. You know, this NFLPA has been a lot louder about these workouts than they ever were about me getting harassed for 27 months by the substance of abuse policy, which I reach out for help like three, four times. So it's hard for me to really give a fuck about what these guys say. You know what I mean? I'm with you. You think I care?

They tried to suspend me a game for my color of tape on my wrist black by the way i heard you always wear black i'm sorry the nflpa can't suspend the nfl tried to the pa was did not help a whole lot the nflpa i think a lot of people think because i hear them talk whenever these negotiations happen as if they're held in very high regard, they are not. They are. I am very impressed that Aaron Rogers is a representative or whatever, because that is not just 10 years ago. And now granted, that is a potential problem with our NFL is that none of our actual stars are

in there. It's the first time. I think this past year was the first year Aaron hadn't like a 15 years that he'd been the rep because being associated with the NFL PA is not a great thing okay it's like you're gonna fuck over the ex players okay like that the ex players are gonna hate you that's just what's gonna happen whatever deal you get done with the NFL is not gonna be good you're gonna get screwed and then whenever you're actually needed you're probably not gonna be able to do anything anyway so you're just like

uh you're just kind of like sitting in a role that doesn't really accomplish anything it's a very it's a tough task like i i do not envy anybody that i was actually offered up to do it a couple times and i declined no thank you i do not want to be a rep no the guy who took over you know eric winston was like the president of the players you like not the what is he what was his title eric wood eric winston remember he was like the president of the players union i don't know president may have been players president or something he was like the players president now jc treanor took over i played with jc in green bay he's in cleveland super smart dude like ivy league guy but i just don't know what you get out of it really i guess great experience resume builder i don't know yeah i think everybody that does it is trying to

potentially get into something afterwards where that helps out. And they probably want to help, I'd assume. But then when they get in there, I assume they're like, oh, we can't do shit. There's nothing we can learn. It's like old politics. Oh, man, I got all these plans. And you get there like, all right, I guess I'm just going to hang out for 40.

I'm voting yay or nay right now. Yay. Oh, it doesn't matter. Okay, because everybody else voted nay. All right. Yeah, president of the NFLPA is their title. And what's Demore Smith? Yeah, what's he?

A lot of those players get cut, by the way. Executive director. That guy's had this job for 15 years, by the way. I don't know how. Nobody knows. Is that Jeff Saturday over there? Over his shoulder? Yes.

Look at Jeff Saturday sitting back there. What's that? He looks like healthy. What do you mean? at Jeff Saturday sitting back there. What's that? He looks, like, healthy. What do you mean? He was still playing back then. Oh. Yeah, that was when Jeff Saturday had won into Robert Kraft and negotiated a deal to end the CBA or whatever, allegedly.

They hugged, right? Were they hugged outside? Yeah, they hugged, got a deal done, and then, like, as the months rolled out, every player went through the CBA and was like well this was a bad deal james harrison got fined like seven hundred thousand dollars in one game for a hit and like well this shouldn't be allowed well it was agreed to all right okay all right the business stuff is always so stupid though it is always so stupid but it's so real like demoree smith and the dr tom saying that you can't work out in groups is one,000% just a legal setup for the negotiation period that's about to come up for the return to play.

And it's like all the players know that at this point. So it's going to be, who knows. The NFL will get it done. I know that. Yeah. Did you play with Jeff Saturday? I did. Yeah.

So did I. He came to Green Bay. Good eyes. You guys kind of just like threw him under the bus, didn't you? Bro, you know what's crazy about Jeff? I love Jeff. He came in and he was like, what was he, 12, 13-year vet, stud, pro bowler. I love it. I talk to him all the time. And just early on, it was not bumpy. It wasn't bumpy.

But he was just transitioning to a new team after he'd been done it another way for a long, long time. And so sometimes some of our inside drills and hitting and things we do, he's like, are you kidding me? Like, you come from the side of the head. He's like, what are we doing here, man? It was fun. It was fun to talk to him about how everything, different teams do different things. But that year, Jeff was in Green Bay, started for, I don't know, seven, eight, nine games, and then he got benched.

Gets benched after a long career, and the best part is he gets benched for however many games, and he still went to the Pro Bowl. Still made the Pro Bowl, snapped at the Peyton in the Pro Bowl, had that big moment or whatever. You guys practiced on Saturday too, right, didn't you? Yeah, they made that switch in Green Bay. I don't know what they're doing now, but McCarthy did my last maybe three years where Friday is considered a non-practice day,

and you have people available to roll out and you can get massaged maybe for a little bit. And you do like different little regen workouts after you do walkthroughs and meetings. But then Saturday you come have meetings and you actually get on the field and practice for like an hour. Yeah, and I think some like Chip Kelly sports scientist said that that's like a quick twitch thing. Yeah, like if you get out and you do on Saturday, if you get out and you move around not too much don't like exhaust yourself it somehow primes your your quick twitch or something yeah whatever it is but when i saw that the packers did that whenever i went and called the lions packers game and jk scott was punting full session on saturday and mason crosby was kicking full field goal session.

I thought to myself, I was like, if I went to another team and these motherfuckers tried to make me do this, I don't know how I would react. I, I don't. And I couldn't like Jeff Saturday, 13 years doing something one exact way with the same quarterback. You go somewhere else and you're like, oh, this is what you're going to do now, by the way, this you're going to do one-on-ones on Saturday with a defensive alignment. It's like, who is?

I'm doing that? No way. I am napping today, okay? I am in the cold tub today, and then I will see you tomorrow. But watching J.K. and Mason Crosby, I think he hit like a 58-yarder or something on Saturday. These weren't just like little casual things. I'm like, you kick on Saturdays?

He's like, oh, yeah yeah it's our thing here every single week i was like not me dog i don't have to ask i don't ask he must want to do that don't they usually make the the schedule like what days you kick done your special team coach see what works best for you yeah that'd be on him i guess i don't know i did it too i like to i like going wednesday thursday as hard as possible i'm'm going to punt like 100 balls on Wednesday. I'm going to kick off, kick field goals, and punt on Thursday. And then Friday, I'm going to hold for Vin Terry, maybe run a few fakes, touchdowns, what's good.

And then Saturday, I'm going to sleep. And then Sunday, the legs are all the way back, baby. We've got 48 hours of rest. You might as well come right out of spring break at that point. Every single week, put that on repeat. And I see Mason bombing balls there for the game. I'm like, did I do this wrong my entire career? No. No, I didn't. I felt

good. I felt for him. Mason's got a big leg, doesn't he? Who? Mason. Yeah, big leg. He makes it look easy. Mason can pop balls from like 52 and make it look easy. Yeah, he's good. He also went to Colorado, so I think the –

Thin air? Very thin, yeah. That ball flies. It's beautiful up there. But Mason obviously has a big leg. But coming out there, like this kid has a massive leg. He has a massive leg. But he was also kicking at like 7,000 feet above sea level

whenever he was at school. But then he went over to Green Bay. It transitioned very nicely. I mean, that is not an easy place to kick. He does have a big leg. Yeah, concur. Even more so, rest that son of a bitch up on Saturday so that whenever you come

out on Sunday, it is gone. Go time. But I do a lot longer warm up on Sunday because I have to get the rust from, you know, Friday, Saturday off. Mason just comes out there. He's probably feeling good. So, eh, tomato, tomato. Cincinnati do anything different? What's tomato. Cincinnati do anything different?

What's up? Cincinnati do anything different? They did the year I got there, they switched to the Friday kind of off day, Saturday practice. Outside? Always outside. We walk through outside. Yikes. Walk through

in the full-blown snow and you've got enough coats on. You look like the State Puff marshmallow man because you have so many starter coats you took from your locker. What did Huber do? Huber just goes out there and stands there? Yeah. I don't even know if they came out for walks. It'd be tough to find me.

Huber and Nuge, I don't know how late in the season, but during camp, and I know they would get upset with it. I would be like, what are you guys doing? They would run routes. When we would be on defense, we'd be walking through. Say you walk through at 10 a.m., you don't practice until 1230. Nuge and Huber and our long snapper would be running routes, and the coaches were yelling at them to not –

they weren't running full speed if they were running like the wrong depth. And Nuge is like, I've been kicking the league 13 years. Can we find somebody else? There's 38 guys right there that are undrafted. Can any of them come in here and run around? Well, you've got to put that penny on your hat too, right? Tight end, penny. Oh, they have to change it all the time too.

Then they yell at him, get lined up, and they're like, what are you doing? You're the Z. He's like, okay, cool, my bad. He's got to change it off. You're off the ball. You're on the ball. You're inside the numbers. Anytime they have a tight lineup, don't worry about where he's lined up.

It's actually different. He's supposed to be lined up inside the numbers, you see, because the rubber out. I mean, it's just – I'm happy. That's exactly how it is. The defensive coaches yelling at poor kids like a long snapper has to run routes. Like, he's got to be Julian Edelman and walk through for us like good luck it's awesome tom mcmahon mitt's dad he used to love that period

he'd fucking put the penny on and he was going full speed i mean it was that was his workout probably yeah and then he used to do these push-ups i mean he's five foot four this guy okay i'll tell you that five four he says he's five eight no well he's lying so he's 5'4", this guy. Okay, I'll tell you that. 5'4"? He says he's 5'8". No. Well, he's lying. So he's lying. He's like 5'5". He's this tiny little guy.

In those periods, he used to be wide open. He would talk so much. Wait, what was his title? What's that? What was his title? Job title? Special teams coordinator, I believe. Oh, I didn't know that.

What is he over there? Is he assistant to head coach? Special teams coordinator. He should be assistant to head coach, I assume, at some point. Wait, where is he? Denver Broncos. Oh, I didn't know any of this. He was my coach.

This kid's dad was my coach at Indianapolis for four years. Oh, okay. So he used to get to come to practice and watch you and talk to you? Yeah, he has to shack balls, yeah. Long way, though. Long way. It was a fun time. The perks of being a coach's son, right? Yeah. It was a fun time The perks of being a

A coach's son right Yeah It was awesome Growing up I could see Mitt going into coaching You think Mitt could go into coaching Mitt you said Yeah

He's got like that attention to detail He's got everything Like all that you need To be a coach He's got haters He's got Connor on him All the time To kind of drive him

And put that chip on his shoulder Trying to I mean Oh my god We are getting YouTube spammed right now He's got haters. He's got Connor on him all the time to kind of drive him and put that chip on his shoulder. Trying to. I mean. Oh, my God. We are getting YouTube spammed right now. For what? By who?

This one's called Bitches Twat Waffle Shithole. The bots are back. The bots are back. In the comment section? Oh, yeah. They are here. We got to go to battle. Tubes, what's going on, Tubes? How do i get

rid of this you gotta right click them i don't even know if i have a right click tubes and zito and phil fucking battling get them out of there bts will get you they've been taking over a twitter hey twitter used to be an awesome place by the way i'm not saying it's not awesome now but you know right there in the middle of Twitter, you see wit. Twitter used to be a place where you had to have wit because you only have a certain amount of characters. And you're trying to make, you know, you kind of learn about stuff and make light of stuff. Twitter now has become the go-to place to be pissed off for everybody. And I'm kind of bummed.

I invested a lot of hours and a lot of time into Twitter. And now it's one of those places where anything you tweet, anything, you're either going to get 100% love. No, 50% love, 50% hate. Everything, every single thing you do. It's becoming an interesting time to be on the internet. I will tell you that. It's almost like these YouTube comment section

are more positive than Twitter now. You delete a lot more tweets that you're going to send out now more than you actually send out. Yeah, there's a lot more thought that goes into it. Back in the day, it used to be like, let's send it out there. Now, I don't delete a lot of tweets. You can go back through all my Twitter.

I feel very comfortable. Anybody that's supposed to go back and dig up, which is what's going on. I'm very comfortable with everything I've ever said and done. All good. But boy, whenever you think about putting a tweet out now in 2020, you've got to really feel good about it. Because there's no more just casual tweets like, oh, this thing's a fucking joke.

It's a, what's a joke? That's somebody's life. I love that thing. What are you talking about? That's not a joke. It's like, all right. It's my favorite one. I mean, at some point you got to,

you can't let those few people bother you though, right? No, but it's not those few people, AJ. It's a majority. In reality though, it's not as few people aj majority in in reality though it's not a it's not as large a group as you think if you think like people are getting listen i concur 100 i i've been i think one of the main drivers on twitter for years now at this point i think my stats would even show the amount of action that i've had on there and everything like that and whenever you have a let's say you have a podcast it gets a hundred thousand downloads okay

let's just say that and you get a hundred tweets about something from your podcast when you look at your notifications a hundred tweets is a lot of tweets but then you have to remember okay in the grand scheme of things with a hundred thousand people whatever but nowadays if you're not even if i just want to put a tweet like last night the decision documentary on espn was it was a terrible it was a terrible documentary. I thought it was bad. I didn't think it was that good. I didn't really learn anything. The guy, Don Von Nana, whatever the hell his name is, his entire end speech about how athletes are allowed to make their own messages now before that journalist controlled every, like his entire message was

like, yeah, no shit, bud. By the way, you're also like 10 years behind this is what social media has done it was like this epiphany moment for him about how lebron and the decision was kind of like this moment where athletes took control of their own messaging their own narrative their own truth and his whole thing was like you know like journalists used to be that with the full truth i'm like well that's not a fair it was your terrible your version like an awful documentary yeah it was it was just bad it was just a bad document didn't learn anything really didn't learn 30 for 30. i don't know if it was 30 for 30. it's called the back story with don von non or whatever his name is it was just the only thing i learned is that lebron james and kanye west had a-style meal before he drove over to the Boys and Girls Club

in Greenwich, Connecticut to do his announcement. And then I also learned that his PR person and his agent both got fired after that for Maverick and Rich. Paul, I believe. So I did learn some things. But the overall narrative from this journalist guy was like, well, players now control their own narrative,

but there will always be a need for journalists to tell the full truth it's like well that's not true actually that is your full what your version of the full truth is why player so it's just i just thought it was bad but if i was to say that don von notta's entire crew probably comes after me last night that's what twitter is now boom boom boom boom boom boom boom so i just held it in until now where I can completely say that that guy's fucking documentary stunk. That thing absolutely stunk last night, but I was enjoying it

while watching it. I mean, you're giving Don Bonata's Twitter army a lot of, I guess a lot of credit. Do you think he has that big of a crew that's going to follow him and come after you? No, but his overall message was that journalists don't matter anymore, really. concur so i think the witness isn't is he a journalist what is he oh yeah he was right for sports illustrating was he was it like a piece to say like what was

me like sorry did you feel sorry for me no it was kind of like i guess the whole narrative of the thing was that lebron and his guys, when they made the decision, shook up the way everything happens. Nobody knew who he was picking before he went up on that stage. He's the one who asked for an hour on ESPN. He's the one that asked for the interviewer. He's the one, LeBron, not just his team. LeBron decided that he was going to control the entire message, the entire narrative, and he was going to do his own thing. So obviously with that came a lot of old whites who have done something the same exact way for a long time, who were pissed off, who probably helped shape the narrative of being super negative, by the way, now that we hindsight it, because he cucked them all. And that was kind of the narrative of his entire message at the end was like,

athletes, that was the big bang moment uh for athletes starting to control their own message it was like no that's social media bro like that that's just completely talking you guys out of the picture yeah that wasn't the moment like that moment i think don't you think lebron a lot of people well i guess i was in ohio so i have a jaded view of it i feel like everyone a lot of people turned on lebron obviously well and then he embraced that right so by the time he had landed in miami he took a hawker down there by hawker 750 i thought it would have been a bigger plane but we fly on those all the time that that was kind of a little side note in the dock that i saw that was like oh hawker they took a hawker down there pretty good they landed at millionaire

which i think i had landed at the same exact millionaire before so i felt like i was potentially a part of lebron's crew but by the time they landed they had already read dan gilbert's comic sans 12 inch font single space piece where he talked about how uh i forget everything he said back and by the time lebron landed that he said in that documentary that basically lebron had accepted like okay i'm gonna be the bad guy like he he felt as if he was the bad guy and then when i went to miami and they had the whole arena and then they started it was i mean it was cool to relive it all but there was no new information that came out from it aside from he had a buffet breakfast with kanye or a buffet dinner with kanye beforehand going over

there that was pretty big piece of information but it it was... Did Kanye know? You think Kanye knew he was going to Miami? Oh, yeah. LeBron said his mom knew and his people knew. I don't know if Kanye did, though. Kanye was sitting in the crowd amongst the Boys and Girls Club. He was. I did not know that. That was a piece of... I'm glad I didn't even...

I didn't know this documentary was even on last night. It's called The Backstory. And the K had a couple arrows, so it wasn't actually a K. Well, have we been, are we all, I guess, are we jaded by the whatever, the last dance doc? Is that why we're comparing everything to that? Well, yeah, and also, like, I don't really like journalists that much, so, like, hearing them go, woe is me,

we can't control the narrative anymore, don't really. They can. There's plenty of journalists with huge followings. I mean, look at Schefter. He's a journalist, right? Yeah, but boom, that'll get shot down very quickly on the internet.

If you're wrong about something, it is going to come out. I mean, it is. Back in the day, they used to control everything. They used to control who were the stars, what messages were out there. I mean, if I'm an old school reporter, I can see how I'd be pissed off about the modern world

because old school reporters controlled who everybody knew. Like if you were a player that people knew, cool. If you did anything that was good, they said it. If you did anything bad, they're the ones. I mean, they controlled the narrative through and through. And in this guy's life, in in his eyes the decision was the moment where it all started changing where the players started controlling their narrative it was like no i think it was social media whenever you guys kind of just got cut out the spin in the middle man just kind

of got a little but talented brains are always going to pay off even in the modern world so i think a lot of schlappy journalists potentially got run off as opposed to you know i could understand like if i was a journalist like say you're in a open locker room after an nfl game you went up to a player and you asked him some questions like stuff happened during the game whatever you you ask him he gives you the cliche answers like i don't you know i just gotta take him one play at a time one day at a time i'm just gonna keep my head down working hard but then you're like okay cool i can put i got some great quotes to put in this piece that no one's going to care about i can't put some headline in there about how he hates his coach or whatever and then the kid goes home on his drive home he tweets five consecutive tweets

about how the organization sucks the head coach sucks i don't get the ball enough all this stuff and the guy's like man like i can understand i guess how that could be frustrating no that guy stinks his job but the i mean you're right you should have got it out of him because the kid had it in there you if you would have but the issue with the journalist maybe could have got it out the issue with the journalist is they already have their piece written they're just trying to find those quotes and create those quotes from somebody to fill in there right that's like to the the not all of them not all of them by the way there's a lot of very talented journalists i am not talking about them. But there is a lot of journalists who they already had their piece written. They're just looking for somebody to give them a quote that fits in to their things.

And that's where the whole narrative. That's why the Don Vaughn, whatever his name was, was like, you know, there's always going to be journalists who tell the full truth. I think that's potentially why social media kind of took over for you guys is because what you view as the full truth is actually your version of the truth as opposed to anybody else where you can just go directly to the source but that whole moment was pretty big LeBron and his people by the way did not respond to this guy really to dawn no no comments no nothing because they already covered it on uh on uninterrupted or whatever and that was his entire lead-off piece to what he was talking about at the end he was like uh reach a reach out to lebron's team was left unread or whatever uh because they've already covered it on uninterrupted in their narrative and their

story and blah blah blah, blah, and that's how he led into the whole thing. But it was just, I don't know. Do you think that's why MJ was always hanging out with Ahmad Vashad because he was a reporter at the time, correct? So it was much easier to have a dialogue back and forth with someone? Well, and Bronny always has Windhurst with him or whatever. Yeah.

I don't think he's smoking cigars playing golf with Windhurst, though. True. I mean, how about with Windhorse, though. True. I mean, how about in that dock, though, Pat, where Michael Jordan's driving into his last game at home, right, and Ahmad Rashad's sitting shotgun. There's a cameraman in the back, and Jordan's just smoking a big old cigar on the way in. Windows up.

Yeah, of course. Not even a cracked window. That's the best. A cigar windows up. Can you imagine the poor guy in the back probably got some smoke allergy, filming all this, just dying, wishes he had a gas mask? AJ, I bet you had a pretty good relationship with most journalists. Not me.

I was only written about when I did something bad, so I fucking hated them. I mean, I'm sure some of them would definitely say, like, they thought I wasn't around enough. But, I mean, I always respect them. I told them I respect your job. I respect you. You have a story to write. You have something to do.

But a lot of times I didn't know a lot of things they were talking about. If they would ask me something that somebody else said or whatever, you know, I always thought it's all or nothing. Like, if you're going to read stuff about yourself or even, like, the team. I'm not sitting there with Google alerts on what's going on in the Packers when I was there. I never did media, ever. I was available.

I just was never asked anything. Would you stand at your locker with your towel on waiting or what? No, I had to sit there for, what, 10 minutes or whatever when they were there. So I'd start like a dice game or something for 10 minutes, sit there, and then as soon as that was up, I was gone. The only time they talked about me was when I did something wrong, though. Well, I mean, unfortunately, that's the position. Oh the position oh yeah i mean i was breaking records a lot nobody do some say the greatest ever do it but and my twitter was on fire i was the biggest platform

in indiana at one point i mean there was a lot of reasons to talk but they never talked to me a couple of them this is once again me saying most of the people that i've encountered very good in indianapolis but the overall census like for instance i had a journalist from sports illustrated some big swinging dick he thought he was i was asked if i would go speak to him about vinitary when vinitary did something or whatever i'm like sure i'll talk to this guy or whatever i don't normally do this i go up and talk to him he He calls me Matt Overton, the long snapper, for our five-minute conversation. He called me Matt when you're snapping.

So I just did the entire interview as Matt Overton. And I fucking just left. I was like, I'm never fucking talking to that guy again. Like, how is that going to have his job? What was the story about that he wanted to talk to the long snapper? It was about Vinny. So it was something about Vinatieri. What was the story about that he wanted to talk to the long snapper? It was about Vinny. So it was something about Vinatieri.

So you answered as Matt Overton for the whole five minutes. Did the guy ever figure it out? No. And I left and I told Conte, the Colts PR guy, I'm like, never fucking had me do that again. The guy just called me Matt Overton this entire time. He was like, did he really? I was like, yeah. He was like, did you tell him?

I was like, no. He's like, why? Why didn't you tell him? I was like, no. He's like, why? Why didn't you tell him? I'm like, why didn't you tell him? I'm with you. I'm with you. I wouldn't tell him. People have mistaken me for other people all the time.

I just go with it. I never, you never, like, correct them. I mean, for instance, Reggie Bush had no idea I played football, and I was going to run with that until he never said it. The whole story about Vince Young and the Heisman thing, I said I heard from people that were in the locker room. I was going to continue. I was going to continue that until he figured

it out. Shout out like 30 minutes in. Was that article released? Yeah, I think so. Oh, God. I'm pretty sure. I wonder, probably the most explosive Overton quote. I wonder what I said. Like, I wonder what I said. Did guys used to go in there and just like gaslight a couple different guys every week trying, like knowing that like, okay,

we might be able to get something out of this guy. ESPN stopped showing up. So like whenever ESPN stopped showing up, I think that's when it was only the local and the local people here are all good. Like the local Indianapolis people. I don't think they mean any harm. You know, like there was a little beef with one guy who basically said that he heard

Chuck was fired like mid season. He wrote an entire article about it and i would assume there was maybe some smoke there or i don't know but that guy got blacklisted from the locker room obviously it was like this guy can't talk to him he said our coach is fired or whatever not me i don't talk to any media anyways but aside from that all the local media was good it was all those national buffoons that i just couldn't i just couldn't take them serious you know what i mean they act like they matter so much like you don't hey you don't matter okay if there's none of this there's literally nothing to you and i think that you name names huh once you name names who like who are you talking about people know exactly what i'm talking about i don't so i don't know how they would

you know who i'm talking about though what national medium like there's a ton of them okay you think that so you already know i only think there's a few national people i just can't i would like smack them in the mouth like shut the fuck up you know what i mean you know who i'm talking about yeah i know right in the mouth some of them definitely come in like okay hey the king has the king has arrived here i am you i will grant you some time with uninterrupted face time with me exactly when they come walking in a locker room as if it's their locker room like first of all get the fuck out of the way the cornhole boards okay i don't care who you're talking to this needs to be you need to move okay i don't know who you are i have no idea why you're here blah blah blah and then conti would obviously

conti was always the one who would have to come talk to me like uh the rep from name insert big sports conglomerate here said that you hit them with a cornhole bag or something like well i shouldn't have been standing there wait who's who's conti conti was the colts pr guy now he's the head colts pr guy but he had some battles with me. I feel bad for him. He's a good guy. Matt Conte, great at what he does, loves his position, works very hard for the Colts.

He's been there for a long time. But, boy, he was always the one who had to come to me. If a tweet was bad that they didn't like, if I said something to a reporter in passing and jest while they were in front of my fucking locker while i'm trying to get dressed get the fuck out of here i don't care he was always the one who had to be like uh like pat the insert name a person here just said you said blah blah blah i said is that what i said should have went a little harder so i always had to do like

i'm sorry i didn't know this was you know you guys were curing cancer here i'm so sorry i didn't know that so i i mean my relationship with the media is very interesting very i love it i love hearing that because like i i know you pretty well now and like you don't have that strong of feelings about many people i didn't i didn't get along with the media mostly because in my position too kicker and punter nobody knew what the fuck was going on. So the only people that would tell anybody if they were good or not were these media members who had no clue. So I had big beef with them.

I'm like, I've had zero return yards in kickoffs and punts through eight weeks, and not one of your motherfuckers ever said, wow, what this guy's doing is the most impressive thing maybe to ever happen to ball kicking. Instead, it was like, oh, this's loud he's a clown it's like yeah all those things are accurate but also let's not let's not diminish what i'm doing out there you know so i had a little bit of beef i had a little bit of beef with them a little bit a little bit respect the brand also the nfl network there's a lot of player a lot of people on there that

came after me a lot of people on espn that came after me came after you for what like when who was all why were people coming after you all the time they come after kickers and punters you don't know what that's like whenever they come after punters not i mean kickers maybe i don't know punters kickers and punters it always gets lumped lumped in together i told somebody at nfo network that they're lucky i don't retire because i take their position and fucking make the ratings three times that's what i told i publicly i mean that's awesome i'm so happy you did that to their face uh on the internet but see I'm trying to pull it up now I have by the way I just want to

I have done that exactly that and it's five times not three times but yeah I have beef with a lot of media people man used to old school media now they're all kind of getting pushed out I'm sure they all love you once they get to know you well i'll tell you what me and me and uh hold on i'm searching pat mcfee nfl network see where i was in an on-air personality there yeah i forget what you're saying they came after you like they make a joke like that hunters and kickers don't matter oh here we go heard the nfl network was talking on a punter voicing his opinion that was me by the way i'll do a punter podcast in triple your rating slash entertainment value rich eisen goes easy easy not everyone here

understands what happens is rich and i i would love to know what i responded to him i did not i did not respond to him that got 10 000 likes which don't mean anything 3 000 retweets but yeah i i do not a lot of people in medias, they talk badly about kickers and punters. So I immediately had a little bit of beef with them, especially when I see their fat, slobby-ass bodies walk into the locker room. And I go, listen here, you bag of pears, all right? You don't talk about what I got going on, all right? If you're a former player and you want to bash kickers and punters,

I'm cool with it, okay? If you played the game and you've run your face and head into people and probably got CTE and shit like that, like this guy, you can do all you want to do. Okay. You can bash kickers and punters, but if you're some fat slob that sat behind a keyboard at one point or a typewriter at one point, just shut up. Okay. Just, just just shut it and I had that I had that's a deep feeling I've had for a long time a long long time I guess it was Heath Evans by the way real shame Heath a lot of people under here are saying it was Heath Evans Evans that was doing that talking yeah I know Heath Heath Evans has played football before though so I should not be that upset but I have tripled his ratings and his entertainment value at least so i feel pretty

good about that as you should five times that was in 2017 by the way i retired a year later yeah well you weren't lying i mean it's the thing you're one of the few guys that could actually do that though because you do have this platform that you built yourself you have the personality you do like this is what you do there's there's no other pat mcguffins out there well and i'm very spiteful so like i will hold a grudge on them that's a that's a a very uh a common athlete trade like trait for people to have that's why cam newton's gonna be so good yep who's he holding the grudge is just against everybody carolina panthers who's number ones's number one? Not Matt Rule, though. Matt Rule, do you think he blames Matt Rule?

The timing of that release, while signing Teddy for the exact same price, basically, Cam Newton definitely, definitely, definitely holds that against Carolina Panthers. Every team that passed on him, right? Oh, yeah, and all these other teams that could have signed him. I mean, he's definitely doing the whole as he should i would if i was him for sure for sure i'm happy we dug into my hate a little bit i got a little bit down yeah yeah but i don't want the wrong people to

think i was talking about them and they know though the journalists know if they're in that world that i'm talking about it's just like a lot of these people. What's that? It's like anything. Like you sometimes will get caught in saying like, oh, they're all, everyone. It's never everyone. There's a handful of scrubs. Like we know that.

Yeah. And I started writing almost, by the way, to bury one motherfucker because I don't have a writing credit in my thing yet. And I was like, I can write better than you too. I will write right now. I'm actually thinking about still doing that i think you should well i don't have time writing takes a long time like people that write i don't know how they have the time how about you could have connor be your ghostwriter where you just kind of voice things no no no no way no way no way good zito could do it. No way. A lot of misspelled words. Hey, get a spell check. You're good. Yeah, we can do it. You ever write anything?

Yeah, I mean, well, I've done some of those like Players Tribune type things where you don't really write it. I mean, they wanted to put stuff out. Sometimes, a couple of times I did it and they'd want to like, you talk to them for a long time and tell them what you want to do and then they kind of put something out. Sometimes, a couple times I did it, and they'd want to, like, you talk to them for a long time and tell them what you want to do, and then they kind of put something together and send it to you. A couple times, man, I had to change the whole thing. So, yeah, I pretty much ended up writing it. I do a lot of writing.

I think people would be surprised by the amount of writing that I do. Like what kind of writing? You name it. I got, like, three screenplays ready to go. I got a bunch of poems. I got rap songs, country songs, stories, blogs, memoirs. You name it. Where do you store it?

Do you physically write? Do you type it? Where do you put it? My notes section on my phone. You type it all on your phone? Mm-hmm. Don't you think, like my thumbs already have bad arthritis. I think from holding and texting, and I don't use my phone that, like a whole lot,

but still my thumbs already suck. Well, you got you gotta remember i didn't have to hit anybody you know like i didn't have to do this number here on people yeah unless you're a cobra striking unless what unless you were doing a little cobra strike well i did i yeah but some yeah bang you know i mean i keep the hands bang out of it do you have any fucked up fingers i mean like my pinkies are weird my pinkies are oh yeah i mean i mean obviously this finger is the one that went sideways i had to get the thing out of my wrist that is gross yeah that's probably why you probably can't hold your phone in there because it probably slips through the crack these ones work you see these these my thumb and these two fingers on each hand works i got like six good fingers that work when i do pull-ups what did you do did you wrap them well when these well this one

went sideways for like a seat well for about three months and i had to get it fixed after the year i just buddy taped it to my pinky but my pinky sucked too so yeah did you do this tape oh yeah that's what for when especially when my ring finger was messed up, I had to, I did buddy tape for my last three or four years at least. And then over time, you know, the pinky things are weird. You get to wear these little splints if you want it to straighten out right when it happens, whenever you tear, whatever's going on in there. And like, Hey, if you take the splints off of your pinkies, like one time in the next eight or 12 weeks, you go right back to zero and you're going to have to, you know, we might get surgery. I surgery i'm like okay don't even give me the splints there's no chance i'm not taking those off did you ever do the shoulder put back into place thing that one always freaks me out no i never

i've been lucky i mean i tore my pec but i've never had any shoulder issues you know people come jogging over like like this and then they like ah ah, and then they pull it, and it pops back into place, and they're like, whew, and then they just jog back on the field. I'm always like, how does the body do that? How is that how the body operates? They're just dangling there like this in so much pain, and then it's like, all right, you didn't miss a play. Go ahead and get back out there.

They haven't called a snap yet. I mean, it's just. I think I've seen, I saw Garth one time. I saw a video from one of his concerts where he did that mid-song. Sometimes your shoulder is going to hop out of place, but the things they say about places is you're never out of place. You're in the

place you're supposed to be, and that place is right here, right now. Wow. Then you've got to be and that place is right here right now then you gotta pop your shoulder back you know i pop my shoulder back like that bitch used to do it on on our back side there front row but we had to turn that down a little because we are a family friendly show but hey family friendly can only happen if the families are made. And how are the families made? Fucking. Did you finish that Garth Brooks thing? No. I've looked at it, part two.

I looked at it on my Apple TV and everything, and I just didn't pull the trigger. I muted it. I got it out of there. It doesn't even show up in the recommendations anymore. That thing might as well not even exist. Bert Kreischer. Bert Kreischer's doing those drive-in shows.

They look like a good time. You see the fireworks? Has he already had them? He's already had a few of them? Indianapolis, he came last week or whatever, last Friday. We weren't in town. I wasn't invited, but we were not in town. I saw some videos.

There was fireworks at the end. Everyone's hawking their horns at the end of the show. I know. It's a pretty cool little thing. It seems electric. Maybe we just only do drive-in shows. I like that idea. I think he's doing Tennessee today, too. That's a good idea.

What happened? The dude, Chase Young, had a concert with 4,000 people jammed in? Chase Rice. So Chase Rice did a concert down in Tennessee. It's a venue that holds 10,000. They cut that down to 40%, 4,000. They said only 1,000 people came.

So they thought they were doing it right. But I guess as soon as Chase started playing music, they all sprinted to 40 4 000 they said only a thousand people came so they thought they were doing it right but i guess as soon as chase started playing music they all sprinted to the stage so the pictures are obviously not socially distant they said they gave uh the temperature and everything like that i just and you got other artists now coming after chase because chase is doing a show and making money while they're not allowed to because they're quarantining or whatever that's just they're shutting down bars in pittsburgh they're not allowed to because they're quarantining or whatever. They're shutting down bars in Pittsburgh. They're shutting down shit in Florida.

If they think they're going to get Americans to go back inside, I do believe they have another thing coming. Yeah, I just came from Florida, and I know they're shutting down some beaches in different areas. I don't know up where I was in top Florida if they're shutting those beaches down, but they were alive and kicking everywhere. Like there was, I guess they limited capacity at different restaurants and stuff.

We were outside mainly. But yeah, there's people going about like nothing's really happening. So I hope it doesn't, I hope it doesn't backfire. Now it's a big mask battle. Of course. If you wear a mask, you care about people. If you don't wear a mask, you're a fucking scumbag,

is what they're saying on the internet. We were forced to wear a mask in Michigan. Went to a grocery store, didn't have a mask, had put on a mask. Somebody brought the McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk mask, put the mask on. Pretty nice, by the way. Pretty nice mask.

But that is the first time I don't really go anywhere. I go work and go home. That's the first time I've ever gone somewhere that they forced me to put a mask on, and I did. And everybody in there was doing it. A little difficult to breathe. A little difficult to breathe, but hey, I got to hide my big old sniffer. It almost made me look better, I think, to be

honest. Maybe it's going to be my move, but I had never been somewhere, and this is, once again, I don't go anywhere. I am very much a homebody. This is the first time I was forced to wear it. The whole crew, the whole store was rocking it. It feels like that was the right move. That was up there in Michigan. Yeah, how was that golf trip?

I'm sure you guys talked about it, but how'd it go? It wasn't bad. It got very, very, very baked. On his planet. Like, okay, how much, like, multiplied times a normal day or situation for you? Okay, so if I was to put an X on where I'm at right now to where I was, let's say Friday, Saturday, or Thursday night,

I'd put a next maybe 15 to 20 X what I have right now. Ty and I were really going. There was these Rice Krispie treats. Because in Michigan, everything's legal. There was these these rice crispy treats because in michigan everything's legal there's these rice crispy treats that might have been it might have been 50 to 60 milligrams per little rice crispy treat or whatever right which is a lot standards like 10 to 15 milligrams if you eat an edible this one might have been 50 to 60 but it was homemade so you don't know which bite you're getting to so it could be 75 depending on how the homemade thing goes

so me and ty we had some of the legal edibles that were like 15 per 10 per and in car i believe you were in on this game too so it was those are feeling good you know those get you going then there's a little bit of a smoky smoke sesh with the smokers right ty's not that big is this all on the course or what when is it on the course at the house that we rented which was one of the most beautiful houses i've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, the view of Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan is the Pacific Ocean, by the way. The sun was setting. I mean, it was gorgeous.

I'd never been a lake guy. Never been to the lake. We went down in the water, did the whole thing. I almost drowned in a lake. I mean, there was a lot. I was real lake-lifing it. But the smoking, we'd smoke we take some edibles we'd smoke and then this rice crispy treat though was really a low-key killer

and we did we found that out on friday night yeah friday night i take a whole thing okay eat the entire thing was told immediately after eating it that do not eat the whole thing only eat about half of that we're not sure where it is well i'm already here so i look at ty and i'm like ty i can't be the only one that ate the entire thing like come on like this is you know like gotta be in this together ty takes it ty heads to a place that i've never seen before okay ty is sitting on the side we had a little beer pong table going Ty was sitting there like this for probably four and a half hours, cackling every once in a while out of nowhere. And then I'd look at him.

I'd go, how you doing? I don't keep moving. How you doing? Keep moving. For four hours, he just sat there. So we were on, I was probably 15 to 20 times than I am right now, Thursday, Friday, Saturday night. Just different level just different level different

level of it's unbelievable that first Rice Krispie was not the last Rice Krispie that you had no yeah I had three of them one night oh yeah well I mean I'm pretty sure at one point Pat just looked at me and he said he's had a plastic bag in his hand completely empty I had no idea hey why do I have this plastic bag in my hand oh yeah that was the the rice crispy treat i just ate i wanted to see you know like i wanted to see so i took a lot of pride one of my college roommates was there and i took a lot of pride in being the guy in college and when i was younger that could drink with everybody right like i am going to stay with everybody here so not only am i going to buy everybody's shots but the last person drinking i'm going to be with you okay like i don't want to say i felt like the undertaker, but I did.

That is honestly how I viewed it. I viewed that as a mental battle. Now, the next day, I was always in a terrible spot. And this is why I think I'm going to die young because of this. I mean, it's just like it's not good. But when it comes to this other particular thing in marijuana, I feel the same exact way. I feel like it's a mental battle now. When you get to that point,

the conversation that's happening in between your ears is what's going to carry you through the rest of the night if you're going to operate or not. And Ty was having a lot of those conversations, I'd assume, up there on the side. I assume Connor was having a few as well there. But I was in the middle of a beer pong game a couple times, and there was maybe 13 cups on the table at some point because i could not see i mean i could

not see anything but those are the conversations where you're like all right are you gonna be able to beat this or not are you gonna beat this or are you gonna lose this and i would i would beat it but then boy i passed out within four seconds of hitting that bed every single night. Four seconds. Just out. See you later. I'm dead. Wake up the next morning. We're back at it.

But golf was good. Michigan was beautiful. It was a great weekend. Is your game still perfect? You said your game was spot on before this trip. I don't want to say I'm calling out Tony Romo yet. I will. But I'm about a week or two out, bub.

I am golfing right now. AJ, it was really good. Shot a 38 on the last round. These greens were fast, too. So, okay. Now, let's say you go to a state where some of your vitamins are not recreational. I don't know. How do you play?

I don't. I actually. Is your bag big enough to pack it full of some of this that's a great question and i did have those questions while i was in the middle of my best round yesterday i was or on saturday was it saturday sunday when i was saturday i was having those questions i was like do you think the pga would test me like every day are they gonna test me and see how because this is next level i was in my own cart right so i'm in my own cart so i could just travel around bounce around and in between holes there was some hikes now we had to go we went through an entire neighborhood at one point i

mean it was so there's a lot of conversations you're having with yourself it's like am i actually good at golf right now like what is going on why does this ball seem to be going right where it's supposed to go every single time and then the obvious next thought is if i was to focus on this for a few months would i be able to make it into the pga like am i able to be a professional golfer yeah that's the obvious next next thought yeah i think i could if you can do it one time you can do it what 60 times like that dude did the other day if you can do it one time you could do it 60 times like that's the mentality by the way of a kicker or punter if you can do it one time why can't you do it a hundred times that's the difference between good and great is if you can do it on a regular basis so it's like if i can do it once why can't i do it every time and then i

started realizing it's probably because i'm very high like that's probably why and then the next question was does the pga test for that and then turns out they do so i would have to learn how to play a different style of golf but boy when i'm on Mars or on a spaceship, I'm tough to beat. I am tough to beat, pal. After watching the match two, I said you could beat Peyton Manning if you guys played a one-on-one, and I was only reassured of that this weekend,

even though you were on cloud nine. I couldn't open my eyes a couple of times, and those balls were finding the green. I mean, I was boom, boom, boom, boom a couple of times, pin-seeking a couple of times. I'm like 150, 160 out. I'd like to see that. I have three different sets of clubs in my set of clubs too by the way i have an eight iron from somebody else's i have two wedges from something else i have my first ever set that i bought i mean that's my club did your tea time situation work out where you bought

before and after you it did it did work out we had the whole course to ourself, 12 wide, 12 carts wide, and this place was very nice. Was it crowded around? Were there other people around, though, like 10 holes away? No. Maybe. Couldn't see them. We never saw one person.

The place is called the Ravines. I would very much recommend it. The front nine, it was designed by Arnold Palmer, and I think Arnold Palmer said, we want nobody to have fun on the front nine, and then we want them to have a blast on the back nine. No drivers on the first nine holes. Oh, that sounds awful.

Yeah, but it's golf. You know, like you got to hit like a hybrid, then you got to go in, and then blah, blah, blah, the whole thing. You can hit driver still. Huh? You can hit driver. Like what's a, why can't you hit driver? Is it narrow? still huh you can hit driver like what's the why can't you hit driver is it like 260 to 305 there was just a ravine in every single fairway because it's called the ravine so if you can carry 306 you

can go i wasn't 100 sure i could do that so i very tight with trees along the left and the right you gotta really play that's not my course. That was for sure. There was a turkey with babies. Nick almost got attacked in a ravine. Wow. Sounds like an eventful weekend. You guys all drive there together?

Yeah, we took a couple road stallions. Shout out to them, too. Jim and Steve on the road stallions. What, in an RV? No, like souped up sprinter vans. Oh, sprinters are the best, yeah. Oh, it was awesome. They were very nice.

I mean, we almost got T-Bone on the way up because the red light came out of nowhere, I guess. Who drove you? Jim and Steve. Jim and Steve. Oh, these guys that rented the vans to you. You know Jim and Steve. Happy birthday to Steve, by the way. It was his birthday.

Wait, they stayed there the whole time? Not with us, but they stayed in the area. They actually golfed on the course that we're on as well i mean it was everybody that we encountered this weekend was incredibly nice to us like too nice to us the ravines golf course i don't know if it's the ravines or just ravines it's in douglas michigan i guess it's like five minutes from where kirk cousins grew up at because kirk cousins had a tea time the one day we were at in yonas who is john's assistant who runs the whole place was like uh do you know Kirk Cousins was coming here I was like uh never talked to him man you know like eyes barely open or whatever and he's like you want to meet him I was like nope you sure I think he's gonna come in right after you guys

good for him man I'm gonna get I would love to see that i would love to see you meet him kirk is such like a such a just like wholesome kid seems like bro i just got done shotgun in a white claw on cloud 40 how's it going kirk primetime kirk congrats born in dallas last year week whatever congratulations but it was beautiful lake michigan too gorgeous dude oh yeah you i mean if you didn't know if you just got if you were an alien and you got dropped off there on the shore of lake michigan at certain points you'd be like oh this is the ocean for sure this was our view here from our place dude it was insane i've never seen anything like now granted the one thing missing was mushrooms because that sunset off of the lake

would have probably been a two- to three-hour mesmerized time if you're on mushrooms, if I had to guess. Not that I'm saying people should take mushrooms, but I did have that thought a few times. I was like, mushrooms would probably be pretty cool right now, if I had to guess. During those trips are probably where you should pull out your little note section and take some of those thoughts down. Like say you're writing poetry lyrics whatever screenplays i bet you come

up with that oh yeah just your internal dialogue right there would be something i would i would check out oh it happened it happened i had my own shitter you know that was a big deal about sharing the house i had my own shitter so i'd go up into my master bedroom which was enormous and uh felt bad for the boys, actually. Some of the boys had to sleep on the floor in the basement. They were chilly, I guess. A little chilly down there?

I love it cold. Zito is pumping. I'm a bloody baby. Did anyone cook? Did anyone make dinner or what? Well, that was quite a scene. Quite a scene. Shout out AQ.

On Friday... One of the greatest moves. On Friday, we were going to go to the local town. There's pizza and stuff. We were starving. But the ladies, the bachelorette party, they planned on cooking that evening. Oh, wait. Was this a joint thing?

Batch bachelorette. Yeah. They did their own thing. We did our own thing. And then at night, we would meet up at the house. So we were going to go into town at a pizza place and all this stuff. We were going to go do that neat. And I was told that's probably not a good idea to do that.

Food will be done in like two hours or whatever. So when the two hours was said, we were like, well, we are starving. So AQ ordered 16 large pizzas from somewhere. Okay. And we were just,

that arrived immediately after the food was finished that these girls spent two and a half hours slaving over i mean just absolutely and then when it got there it didn't call aq the girls had just finished so they were going outside so they had to carry in all of the pizzas okay so it was quite a scene you know it was quite a scene but late night those pizzas were the heroes of the entire thing because the burgers the potatoes they they made quite a spread i mean it was very good but late night like 11 midnight when everybody's done playing the games cards drinking the pizzas were the heroes but there was a couple moments there where aq we thought was getting kicked out of michigan for pizza order. Really thought we were.

I can see how some girls, anyone really who made a dinner for two and a half hours for a group of guys who's been on the golf course all day and comes back and none of them can even speak English anymore. I can see them getting a little bit upset. What was he saying, too? It was five-star reviews, 75 five-star reviews. Yeah, he said 75 people reviewed this on Yelp. It's five stars. It's going to be good pizza. I give him credit.

He's doing his homework. No, he's not. It was the only pizza place that was open and the pizza was shit. Aside from the Philly cheesesteak pizza, which was unbelievable, but he only got two of those. He put horseradish on it. Other 10 or whatever it was. Oh yeah, he told us he ordered 16, but he

only ordered 10. Yeah, but it might have been 12, too. He might have got screwed out, too. We're not harm's sense sure what the numbers are, but the pepperoni pizza and cheese pizza tasted like, you know, did you guys have open skate on Friday night at one of your ice skating rinks? Five bucks, go skate? Yeah, we'd have open skate, and then there was roller skating parties, too. It tastes like pizza from there.

That's what the pizza tasted like. 10 pieces tasted like, 10 pizzas tasted like that. The two Philly cheesesteak ones tasted very good. But AQ is very proud of himself. Exact quote from AQ is, I've never been happier in my entire, this is a guy who has a child and married twice. I've never been happier in my entire life than when somebody goes in there and gets a piece of pizza because of how bad he was hated whenever that thing arrived. I mean, that happier in my entire life than when somebody goes in there and gets a piece of pizza because of how

bad he was hated whenever that thing arrived. I mean, that thing. It was quite a scene. Was he posted up late night just watching the pile of pizzas to see in the first couple of years? Oh, you're going to like that one. AJ, you should have seen the reaction because we

were too afraid to go get the first slice of pizza when the reaction was that a girl went and got the first slice of pizza. The cheering that was... He was a hero. When all these pizzas got carried in, was there some real weird animosity? Was there a bunch of silence?

Did someone confront him? I think it would be a lot better. I'd more enjoy watching everybody sit in that if the girls are just so mad and the guys are all sitting. They got up and left. Well, they had to put the pizza down on the table they were sitting at because that was the only spot it would fit.

And then they left. The girls left? Oh, yeah. They left. AQ blamed the van drivers and said that they ordered the pizza for us as a present. As a present for us. But then, obviously, later in the night, that was all forgotten

because AQ was the hero. I ordered it. I ordered him. I ordered him. I ordered him. He was trying to pawn off blame on anybody he could early when the house was divided pretty heavily and they left the house. So he was trying to blame anybody. Like, you okayed

this? He starts looking at me. You did this. You did this. And it's from the van driver. It's not even from me is what he did. And then late night when everybody was getting a bite pretty good huh pretty good it was a hilarious weekend i assume there'd be a lot more drama going into the week like i was not excited about it actually i i just assumed that there'd be some shit who knows you got 12 people that have never met each other on one side and then 12 people a lot of which have never met each other on one side and then 12 people, a lot of which have never met each other on the other side. I mean, it's just, it seems like those bachelor, bachelorette parties

always ends with something. I mean, there's always something. And that weekend was not, it was not at all. Golf courses. The other, it was the groomsmen and the bridesmaids all in the house, right? What's that? In the house. That's who all, you guys, or they had their own house or you guys together?

No, we all had a hotel coupled down. So you guys didn't have... Like, the boys didn't have their fiancés or girlfriends with them. They had the other bridesmaids who they just met. By the way, that's...

Yeah. Oh, it makes more sense now. I can see... I thought they had, like, their girlfriends with them. Then I could... Okay, that makes it even more weird that nobody knows each other, really,

and these pizzas come in. Okay. Yeah, nobody got into a fight either. So think about that. It was like the first time in the world. Match. That's what it felt like. That's awesome.

I mean, yeah. No one filmed anything? Oh, I was a part of a commercial for some fucking company. I mean. What? A lot of people had cameras out that I did not know. So I was like. No, in your house I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. A lot of people had cameras out that i did not know so i was like no in your house i'm saying

yeah that's what i'm saying a lot of people had cameras out that i did not know i was like all right well i'm just on for the next 10 hours while being incredibly high right now so just trying to keep your eyes open for every photo oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god do you know your uh do you know the the bridesmaids like do you know them all pretty well uh i know i know a good amount of them? Do you know them all pretty well? I know a good amount of them. I didn't know them very well, but I knew a good amount of them. They were all good people.

All good people. I didn't know them that well, but I knew that they were good people. There was a chef that came in that was specialized in marijuana food. So we had an entire meal that was marijuana infused. There was options for the sober food by some people and then there was the marijuana infused macaroni and potato salad

and ranch and sauces and all this stuff. How'd that go? It was pretty cool. It was very, very cool. It was... Now, once again,

I must say we were regrettably high after that i did not know how strong some of it was going to be so i was like drinking ranch dressing at portions of it just to see if it would really work or not but those chefs were trying to shoot a whole commercial throughout that entire night so i had to really keep the uh every time they came around oh this is good and then they would time they came around, oh, this is good. And then they would go shoot somebody else and then, oh, this is good. I did not know that was happening, but the food was great. The weekend was great.

It was an awesome, awesome weekend. Billy Tubes was grabbing ranch dressing out of the bowl with his hands, just pouring it into his mouth. Didn't I know Billy Tubes was going to eat as many edibles as he did? And I don't know if he knew he was eating edibles at the time when he was eating edibles. And then all of a sudden, we looked at him a little bit later, and he was holding down the kitchen table like this, just like a full, for like one hour. He was like this.

I was like, I told Billy whenever he was going in for his first time, you know, this is his first time I think ever doing it. I was like, listen, you're going to come down at some point. That is just what you have to remember. And he was like, yeah, fine, dude. I was like, no, just remember that this will not last forever. Like the people who have bad trips are people that eat edibles. And then they think, oh, my God, this is my life forever now. This is the way I'm going to think.

They start panicking and like bad things happen. It's like just know that no matter what happens, will come down it might not be tomorrow you might still be in it tomorrow but at some point you're gonna come down and then like two hours later you see billy just like fucking just holding down the wall and i'm like it's good you're coming at some point you're gonna come bill and to bill's credit he went right back in the next night right back in the next night i was so happy for him i was so happy he shared a house he went right back in the next night. Yeah, he did. Went right back in the next night. I was so happy for him. Good for Billy.

You shared a house with him? Was he in the basement? Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. As far as we know. Did you lock him in a room or something that he couldn't get out of? No, Billy's air mattress popped night one. He was in a precarious.

He was carrying around six air mattresses down there. Yeah, that was Bill's. He was in a bad spot night one. It was a good weekend. We wish you would have came. Why didn't you come? Seriously. Should I come, AJ?

Oh, I was on my way. I already had my other trip scheduled beforehand. Sorry. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. I called AQ AJ one time, and boy, Jesus Christ. Oh, man. You're replacing me. Oh, I couldn't even open my eyes, and I'm like, AJ.

And he's like AJ huh Is that who you wish I was I was like well Come on He's like oh AQ now Oh I thought it was AJ

I'm like I just ate three Rice Krispie treats dude Okay get off my back AQ sound I wish I knew him better He's awesome He's More than you I mean he's one of us He's awesome. He's more than you.

I mean, he's one of us. He's one of us. That's what he is. He's wide open, though. I mean, that guy is fucking wide open. He was out on a, he sunk a kayak. Okay, so he went out on a kayak, and that thing went straight up like a Titanic

right into the bottom of Lake Michigan. So then he gets his barbarian body back to the side, which was not easy because there was rocks shaped like spikes in the bottom of this thing that you had to walk across so he gets all the way over there grabs another kayak he's like let's go i'm going back in almost sinks that thing to the bottom i mean it was it was a wild way aq's a good golfer there's a guy that's very good really big dude like that can play? Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. He's really –

He's an athlete, though. He's a really good athlete, isn't he? Very good athlete, yeah. His jumper's broken. He tried to shoot some shots in here on Friday before he left. Can't do that, yeah. He hasn't touched a basketball in a long time. He's a Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League Hall of Famer

because of his high school basketball career, basically. Nice. The Lakers and the clippers play opening night and the jazz and pelicans play opening night they did this entire thing with the 13 teams on the west and the nine teams on the east just to get zion in the tourney they got him leading this whole thing off i think they're inevitably going to end up with the eight seed and the pelicans taking on the lakers is something that could really happen on the Western Conference first round of the entire playoffs.

I can't wait for it, AJ. Yeah, I just hope everything goes as planned. Where are they right now getting back together as a team? There's already been teams that have flown down to Florida to start training down there. Teams have already flown down there. There's teams currently spending down there. There's players that have COVID- 19 who are currently in quarantine i believe that it's an

all systems go type thing and they said the nba said they don't need their answer until july 1 i think i think it was like a soft answer like july 1 i guess they're trying to give people more time to think about it or whatever but that tourney's gonna happen that is just gonna happen big stars are gonna be down there. They're allowed to change their names on the jerseys. They're allowed to change their names on the jerseys. Spotlight anything they want to change. Is that why He Hate Me was trending over the weekend?

Yeah, I think the Raptors might already be down there because Nick Nurse said they're down there and they feel very, very safe as far as the environment is concerned. The Raptors, by the way, very good at basketball. Everybody thought they were going to stink because Kawhi left. It turns out they are very good at basketball and are already in Florida getting acquainted to the COVID-19 air down there. Smart.

Liverpool wins the English Premier League for the first time in 30 years, mostly because the greatest soccer player on earth is from America, Christian Pulisic, who plays forsea with a big win on friday i believe he's just hey we got a guy hey we got a guy where's he from like how how is that possible i thought the americans always struggle to compete he's from hershey pennsylvania he's from pa he's 22 years old or 23 years old he's a guy that a lot of the people in the national system for the united states have been talking about for a long time like we got a guy this christian palisade kid he's a good guy we got a guy we got a guy so now he's gone overseas first he played for uh

dortmund who dortmund and then he got rented over to chelsea basically chelsea had him on the bench for a long time two games ago he goes in scores a goal within his first minute this game first half blows by two dudes scores another goal he's got he should have had a third goal actually got screwed on the line this dude has two goals and two appearances for Chelsea should be three goals and two appearances for Chelsea within the last week and he's going to potentially be the greatest soccer player on Earth we got a guy he's an american and he's playing over there he's very happy about it he's only 21. he's only 21. yeah he's only 21 years old we got 10 more years of this kid being great he's got jets too i think he might be five two but he's got jets he's a player i'm very happy for it but congrats to liverpool you never walk alone aj yeah you know

is he the next freddie you Whoa. No, no, no. Way better. Freddie Adu was this age when he was playing against me when I was 12. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm not Herbst and Shore. But Christian Pulisic is, he had the same hype as Freddie Adu

coming up through the systems, by the way. Good for him. I mean, maybe he'll help, I guess, soccer in America. More people catch on to it. More people gain some traction here because I feel like no matter what they do, yeah, soccer people love soccer, but people that don't love soccer don't pay any attention. Unless you have an American that's dominating, I think,

but you should have heard the way they were speaking about him. The way they were talking about him, I'm like, well, he has figured it out a little bit. Talking like he's like a, the way they talk about Americans over there playing soccer is the same way that Americans who don't like soccer talk about soccer over here. It's like, they were like, you know what? The American pretty good at kicking the ball around with their English acts.

Like the way they were talking as if they were so surprised that this dude was having success was awesome. And also kind of very disrespectful while I was listening. I was like, fucking relax. Listen, I get it. Our men's team hasn't qualified for the World Cup in a while and we probably won't even make the olympics and we stink and we're a country that's so big and we lose the third world countries i understand that but this is our guy let's give him a shot i think he's the best player on earth a lot of people attack me for that a lot of people a lot of people attack me for that a lot because he's probably not

yet but he will be and when he is i'll do that whole i'll fucking said it long time ago told you um demorey smith's not happy about players working out together you think anybody cares nope me neither uh the afl you watched it this weekend i saw your picture i didn't get to respond to you because we didn't have any service on the lake so i tried to respond to you it didn't go through i saw you watched watched AFL. You happened to see our Collingwood Magpie squad get beat by the GWS Goons, which I don't love. But what did you think of the sport? It was pretty fun. I was trying to figure out the rules as it goes.

It was on the little TV in the workout room. I'm like, oh, man, AFL. I've got to watch this. So, I mean, first, I'm 100% surprised that someone doesn't get hurt every four seconds on the field. Me too. These dudes are in unbelievable shape. And I still can't figure out the rules.

So if you pass it forward, you've got to bump it with your fist, like a little bump like a volleyballer, but you can throw it backwards, like twist a little weird throw. How does that work? So you have to hit it. You can't throw it. Always? But don't they sometimes throw it behind them?

No, you have to always. Anytime you want to move it. But don't they sometimes throw it behind them? They kind of just. No, you have to always. Anytime you want to move with your hand, it's called a handball. You have to hit it. Okay. And a footy, a kick is obviously, it's called footy because kicking is the best method for passing. And if somebody catches a kick of more than 10 meters, the whistle blows.

They get six seconds to kind of realign themselves. Unless they're within the first 50 meters near the goal, then they get 30 seconds to chill before they're about to score. It's just an insane – a lot happens very quickly. But you're right. I don't know how they don't get hurt every single 15. I don't understand how they don't get hurt all the time. And I would assume they're 124 years into this.

If America gets into this, which I think they will because the sport is so damn awesome we'll ruin it somehow we'll make don't we'll ruin it they'll have to put helmets on there'll be a rule about how you can't look down to ground for a certain amount of time there'll be all this stuff but the way it is right now you got going up with their knees on each other's heads and catching things i mean it is insanity out there and there's four is there four poles in the end zone area yeah the two middle ones if you hit it through there worth six if you hit it to the side ones that's called a behind that's worth one that's worth one goal so you still get a point but not as what if you catch it like i see guys run into the end zone looking thing yeah they try to catch it steal it you got to catch it before it goes all the way through whole ball that crosses the line it's not not a goal but if it goes through it's a goal what if

i catch it right before the poles and i run in do i get anything i think you're good i think no points no points oh so you every point comes through a kick yes even if it's bouncing around on the ground, even if it's bouncing around on the ground, like, don't do that, and it'll count. Oh, okay. It'll be just a pop. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes more sense, yeah. It's unique.

Like, they should, when they're showing this in America, every once in a while, they should pop up, like, little captions to explain the rules a little bit. Who's your team, AJ, huh? Oh, I had a team. Oh, man, we're done right there. I found a team that I liked. St. Kitts?

St. Kilt? St. Kilda. The St. Kilda Saints. That's my squad. Wow. I saw we got a few trades or a few rentals from some guys. We're going to step up this year. Hey, nobody here is on the St. Kilda Saints.

You would be the first fan of the St. Kilda Saints. I've heard they stink. That's my team. My Collingwood team is, I mean, they had a bad outing. Our guy Coxie, Coxzilla, he had his first game since quarantine and a knee injury, and all of Australia was on his ass for his performance in the first half. But when it came down to it in the fourth quarter big play big mark by old um coxzilla and we might have lost but we'll be back billy's team up there the the port adelaide dockers no

power power they are very good at this point they are very good at this point the dockers would be the opposite where Foxy was. That's the Fremantle Dockers. They stink. They're down there at the bottom. That's Foxy's Lions team, Don. Yeah. Let's go.

Go. Where's St. Kilda? They're not on that list. You're not on the official AFL team standings yet. Yeah, we didn't know you had them. If you had told us before, we would have been able to have them. Yeah. That's all right.

I prefer to be a fan, but I don't have to post about my fandom of the sport. You probably should. That's the purpose of this. Trying to help the sport grow. Spread the word. Well, let me learn the rules a little bit more, and then maybe I'll ask to be added into the league. None of us know the rules.

Yeah. Who cares about the rules? It's just a score. St. Kilda's in seventh. Trying to respect the sport, Pat. Just handball it a little bit, Bob. Okay, Pat. Just handball it a little bit, bub. Okay, bub. A lot of people think we're paid by the NFL, by the way, to promote this.

We are not. Should we be? Probably. If people think that we are, then we probably should be. It's just passion. It's passion for the sport. They put my name on a Sharon. Sharon!

See that? That's Sharon. Sharon! See that? That's Sharon right there. See that? I do see that. This is a gift shop ball I guess, not a real one. I don't know. That was game issue.

Did you bring your uniform they sent you and wear that during your bachelor, bachelorette party? Did not make an appearance actually, but we did watch it on the way

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his first job ever was with michael jordan's agent now he's been there done that with everything he's worked in the world league he's been an executive for the green bay packers ladies and gentlemen andrew brandt andrew andrew how come all the terrible football teams didn't sign cam newton and the good team signed cam newton you know i'm scratching my head on that too pat it just seems like the patriots do what they always do which is swoop in when the market's at the absolute rock bottom. You know, four months, not one, not two, not three, four months this guy was on the market with no signings. And people ask, well, he's only signing for minimum.

I'm like, what do you think he's going to sign for? You know, he's got no market, no leverage, no options. No one's called for four months, and we'll see what happens. I just think people have to realize, you know, to the media and fans, Cam's a big name. To NFL executives, they're like, no, we like what we got. And you can say that's good or bad, but they're thinking, hey, you know, we don't want to invest in a guy who's probably going to be a backup, and he's never been a backup before, and we'll go with what we have yeah those executives are

executives of teams that stink too and they will perpetually stink and i would i would bet against all those teams against the patriots now with cam newton very heavily on cam newton but let's talk about his contract because this is something i think is very interesting he's taking a minimum deal a la james winston did this down in the saints i think james's upside's like three and a half million cams is seven and a half million dollars if they bring in any other players they won't have enough money on the cap will that mean that they'll have to renegotiate somebody's deal during the season to open enough space for his incentive-based contract i don't think i fully understand how that'll work out well a little bit on salary cap 101 for you and your viewers, because if it, you know, it's phrased by NFL media as up to seven

and a half million. What that tells me, it's like a million or whatever the minimum is. And then a whole bunch of incentives. Incentives are likely, which means they count on the cap if the player earned that in his last season. So in other words, if the player earned that in his last season. So in other words, if Cam had 10 touchdowns his last season, anything under 10 touchdowns incentive would count against the cap. Anything over that would not count against the cap, only would be funneled in if he got that at the end of the year. So my guess is because Cam hardly played his last year,

everything is going to be unlikely to be earned, which means they don't count against the cap until if and when they're earned at the end of 2020. So basically, I'm thinking they have a cap number of Cam Newton of about a million dollars. And everything else is on the come because it's not likely to be earned with the cap calculation. Okay, and then everybody thinks that the Patriots are going to have the most money out of everybody next year. Now, nobody knows what the salary cap is going to be with this season, right? You and I have talked about this.

There's been a lot of reports about this. If there's no fans in the stands, but if they still had the advertising tarps that they're putting up, nobody knows what the salary cap is going to be, even though TV deals are up, whatever. Could they potentially, with that incentive-based stuff, like $6.5 million, would that go into next year's cap then? Is that what would happen, or how would that all play out?

If he earns it, okay, then you do the, it's called the netting. It's something I did at the end of every year. How many incentives on your books didn't get earned that you were counting versus incentives on your books did get earned that you weren't counting. And you funnel all that up and you see if it's a credit or a debit. If it's a credit, you get money towards your next year's cap. If it's a debit, you get money taken away from next year's cap. away from next year's cap. So if he earned 6 million of incentives, and the Patriots have nothing else on their books

of incentives that were were counting and didn't get earned. Yeah, it's 6 million off the 2021 cap. That's how it works. So that could have gone up to 10 million 15 that that number if it was all incentive base could have been as big as they wanted because their 2021 cap is as big as possible. Why do you think seven and a half was the number where it was at? I assume there's wins involved, offensive percentage plays and stuff like that.

Do you think that they knew that seven and a half million was enough for cam to be like, okay, let's do it. Do you think that's the case? Yeah. I mean, I think they looked at the market and they said, you got nothing. I mean, let's be honest. They said, you got nothing. Here's what we'll do. And you're absolutely right, Pat. This incentive base, my sense of what it is, is for him to get $7.5 million, he has to play 80% of the plays, win the Super Bowl,

lead the league in yards passing, lead the league in touchdowns, whatever it is. That's how these incentives work. These maximum incentives. Andrew, he's going to win. He's going to do it. I think this is going to be a scene where, like, when you look at the Jacksonville Jaguars from a business standpoint,

they get rid of Nick Foles, they bring in Mike Glennon, right? Who knows how their salary cap is going to go? And then let's look at the Bears. They're paying $21 million for two quarterbacks. Neither one of them are as good as Cam Newton. in my now granted nick foals might come out and be hey super bowl champion legit might be unbelievable nobody knows but he's in a fair competition with mitchell trubisky why do you think nobody was because shepters come out and said nobody else was interested in cam other than the greatest team in the league basically why is Why is that, you think?

Is it business-wise? Do you think it's personal? Why do you think it is? You know, my feeling is teams looked at Cam Newton, let's take the politics out of it, in some ways the way they looked at Kellen Kaepernick, that this guy we cannot trust, if you will, to come in and be our starting quarterback. We cannot trust, if you will, to come in and be our starting quarterback. And Cam Newton seems to be one of those players where he's either a starting quarterback or he doesn't have a lot of value.

You know, Cam Newton as a backup, to me, is going to be an issue with your starting quarterback because of all the things you're talking about. That name, every time your starter throws a bad pass, every time he throws an interception, fans, media, you've got to put him in camp. Same thing with Kaepernick. And this is why teams, I think, shy away from that because you've been in these rooms. I represented Hasselbeck, who was a starter and a backup, backup to Brett. And the whole thing is the backup quarterbacks, plural, their number one job, in my mind, you may disagree, agree. Their number one job is serve the starter.

It's like a vice president. You're serving. That's all you're doing is you're serving. You're getting them coffee. You do whatever you got to do. You serve the starter. You know, you mentioned I worked for Garyary bainer we had a couple quarterbacks taking the draft at the end of the draft congrats i give them advice i say your job is to go in there and serve the starter whatever you can do whatever you can do i got cole mcdonald he's a backup with ryan tannahill do whatever you can do. And if you're an executive and you look at Cam Newton or Colin Kaepernick, you're like, is that the guy that really is going to serve our starter or is he going to be thinking more about playing?

By the way, not just Colin and Cam, there's a lot of quarterbacks that cannot do what Matt Hasselbeck ended up doing at the end of his career, wherever you want back to being a backup behind Andrew Luck. He and I have had conversations. I don't know if they're public or private, but that was a very difficult for him to do. That was a very difficult moment for him to be like,

okay, I'm at the point in my career now where I just started in Seattle. I just started in Tennessee. I had a lot of success, but now I'm at the point in my career where I'm going to have to serve one of these younger quarterbacks and kind of give over game,

even though he still thought he had years left to play. It was like that mental decision to go and do that. Not a lot of quarterbacks can do that. So I would assume Cam Newton, with his ability, his skill set, was never thinking, I'm going to be a backup quarterback. But there had to be a team out there that was like, hey, Cam is much better than our guy, much, much better than our guy. Let's get him in here.

And they never did it. So now whenever the Patriots fans are absolutely miserable to deal with and insufferable and just disgusting to hear from whenever they're winning games, this is all Shod Khan's fault. That's all I'm saying. This is Shod Khan's fault. I don't want to hear anything else, Andrew. You know, one thing you referenced as you were welcoming me in

is at the same moment, within a minute, right, of this announcement, we get from Schefter, Oh, they got all these penalties for same exact minute, by the way, it was boom. And then let's hide this one under here back. How transparent was that? If anyone's thinking they pulled one over on us, like, hey, we just found out like the moment we announced, like, come on. So every everything strategic,

everything within PR is about when and how. And it seems to me one of these stories, at least, Pat, one of these stories, whether it's signing Cam or these penalties against the Patriots, has been out there. I mean, under the mushroom cloud. Maybe for days, maybe for weeks. But they decided they wanted to put them out together and use their sources to do that in order to soften the blow of the penalties.

Andrew, another story that came out this weekend was the NFL confirmed that they're going to be selling the first 68 rows for advertisements. Do you have any idea how much we're going to have to pay to have an advertisement in the first six-day roast? Yeah, because we're thinking of Bangalore Stadium where we'll say build this team an indoor facility. Also watch the Pat McAfee show.

I'll do that deal for you. I won't charge you too much. I'll make that happen. I mean, you're asking me. I thought you were going to say, am I surprised? Of course I'm not surprised. Of course they're going to do everything you and I have talked about these weeks about diminution, losses of revenues coming up. We know it's going to say, am I surprised? Of course I'm not surprised. Of course they're going to do everything you and I've talked about these weeks about diminution, losses of revenues coming up. We know it's going to happen. Baseball's got no fans. We'll see how many fans the NFL is going to have. And they're going to make up any way they can, whether it's selling out sponsors around the

lower bowls or it's rotating sponsors on the field with the CGI, whatever they can do, you know, people are asking me, well, what about jersey sponsorships like the NBA? I'm like, I don't think they're going to go there, even though they've done that with training camp. People don't know training camp jerseys are sponsored. Yeah, practice jerseys as well, yeah. Practice jerseys. But that's a big step for the NFL.

I'd be interested to see if they do that. But they'll search for every revenue source under every nook and cranny to make up for what they're going to lose for no fans what if let's say a show had like nine guys ten guys they just wanted the whole stadium to themselves for a game how much you think alcohol i mean i think that would that would be a seven figure deal we might be able to have it here in a couple days uh demoree smith is not happy with the players working out together whenever i think the last time you were on the nflpa's doctor came out and said we would like our players to stop working out together uh due to safety because of covid 19 and i said that the nflpa is doing this exclusively because

they're going to run into a negotiation with the NFL at some point about the guidelines on what training camp is. The only reason why they're saying this is to set themselves up for a negotiation that's coming in less than a month whenever training camp's supposed to happen in July 28th. The only reason, to have it on the books,

they just want to be able to say, we were telling our guys not to do it. So now, right in their face, because I didn't even know that the NFLPA had a doctor, okay? I don't know if anybody in the NFLPA really takes this guy serious. Nobody took him serious with the workouts. Now he's coming out even harder saying he's not happy about it, blah, blah, blah, DeMaurice Smith, blah, blah, blah.

Is that only because the negotiation on the safety guidelines that's going to have to happen here mid-July before the July 28th training camp starts? And do you think anybody is going to listen to this guy because they don't give a damn about your negotiation? CBA is already done. We're just trying to play football at the highest level we can possibly play. Yeah, great point. A couple things to unpack here. Number one, Dee Smith did talk about this in USA Today, I believe, that this idea that players are kind of ignoring all this is hurting. He is actually hurting the discussions with the NFL.

They're not into money yet. It's kind of the baseball. They first do health and safety, then they get to money. It's hurting their health and safety discussions. It's compromising what they're saying to the NFL, which is, hey, we're doing our part. And the NFL is saying, no, you're not. Look at Brady and them. So you've got that going on.

Number two, Tom Mayer, who you referenced, I sat in a conference call last week, Pat, and he said things that I never even thought of. He said, hey, listen, people say our population is young, strong, healthy, armored against this virus. We've got three population groups that have shown to be disproportionately affected. Number one, African-Americans. Number two, high BMI measurements. And number three, those with sleep apnea. He's concerned. He's concerned about his own population. And the other thing that really struck me, I couldn't believe when I read this, Von Miller recovered from COVID. He, in an article, I just sort of, it sort of stopped me in my tracks. He said three weeks after recovering, he's still having some windedness issues. He's still having

lung capacity issues. He's still having trouble working out. And I'm like, oh my God, Von Miller? I mean, this is happening to the strongest and fittest and healthiest and trimmest of guys and, and armored, you would think against this virus so that's a concern so when we see a player in september get covid we're like okay he'll be back in october well maybe not maybe not to the extent of the player that we think he is and these are things that are concerning well tom has to say that right just to put it prove his point even more so for negotiation with the NFL, right? I mean, these things that he's saying he has to say.

Not that they're wrong. I'm not saying that they're wrong. But he is looking for every single stat that will pitch his case in a better light against the NFL, which is probably going to be a knockdown dragout. I'd assume these guidelines for the training camp, this is going to be just like the MLB 2.0, huh? Yeah, first health and safety, then money. And speaking of Toms, real quick on the other Tom, like what has got into Tom Brady? Like 20 years, we never heard a peep, ever.

Well, he wasn't loud. Never heard a peep. He was under the mushroom cloud. Now, the last three months, every day it's social media this. It's ignoring the workout advice. It's bringing his guys together. It's going to parks and getting pulled off a park. Tom Brady has been freed.

We're seeing a whole different Brady these past three months. It's amazing. Well, will we see a new Cam Newton? Nobody knows. I think he's going to be good. And Tom, the adhering to workout advice, he didn't even know that guy existed before that guy said workout. So that could be a little bit of a problem.

He's like, I'm the only Tom around ladies and gentlemen business and sports podcast it's very good andrew brandt thank you ladies and gentlemen join us now from nbc sports boston the hilarious and i'm sure elated Tom Curry. Yeah, Tom! Yeah, Tommy! Hey, you remember what he looked like? Hey, you looked like a bag of crap the last time you came on this show. Now Cam Newton's on the show. We got button downs. We got glasses. We got hair.

Now that Cam Newton's a patriot, I mean, you are looking at... Oh! We got Emmys. Tom, is it a whole new world up there with Cam Newton being a quarterback? It has to be. It's funny because I was sending out resumes, seeing what else I could do. I mean, Amazon's hiring. The next thing you knew, they signed Cam Newton.

I said, I'm back! Because here's the funniest thing about this, too, is, look, we know that the Patriots can't control the announcement. And this is me being cynical, Patrick. The Patriots can't control the announcement of the penalty being handed down, but they can control the announcement of Cam Newton signing. So that's why I look at this and say, do you really want Cam Newton to be your quarterback?

Or did you see this as a tremendous opportunity? When you take those off, I'll put mine back on. Did you see this as a tremendous opportunity to do one of those wag the dog situations and drop something in news-wise that's going to be able to be digested instead of rehearsing and rehashing all of Bill Belichick's prior transgressions because of this third round pick uh penalty for filming in cincinnati and the thing about that is i mentioned it earlier quite an interesting

timing thing here by the patriots that's what i'm saying on the ticker by the way on the ticker on espn and i assume fox and cbs and everywhere on the ticker it says cam newton signs to the patriots and then it talks about the deal seven and a half million dollar incendiary thing and then it talks about the deal, $7.5 million in Senate-led thing, and then it goes to the next flip, and it's NFL, and then it says Patriots have been fined, blah, blah, blah. But by that point, you're already locked into Cam Newton. It is classic. Look over here. What do I got going on over here?

Let me shove this in over there. Classic. But that's why Bill Belichick is Bill Belichick, and any team could have signed him, by the way. Any team. There's a lot of teams out there that need him. Jagu still need a backup quarter i mean they got mike glennon shout out mike glennon jaguars need a quarterback potentially the buffalo bills need a backup quarterback potentially the browns need a backup there's a lot of teams that need them and now the greatest

of all time somehow figure out a way to be like yep here we go we're gonna get you for a million bucks too and it's gonna be on the same day where the whole world's going to want to burn us down again. So it would be win, win, win. It is win, win, win. And here's the thing. In mid-April, I would continually ask, because the Cam Newton conversation would resurface and resurface and resurface coming up for the draft, as to whether or not the Patriots, who seem the most ideal fit of all the ones you mentioned, because they just have Jarrett Stidham, who's a fourth-round pick with upside, and Brian Hoyer. So it made sense.

They just have Jarrett Stidham, who's a fourth-round pick with upside, and Brian Hoyer. So it made sense. And I would circle up and ask, am I safe in saying this isn't going to happen? You're safe. You're safe. You're safe. Don't worry about it. And these are with people who would know.

But I think the price dropped enough with Cam for the Patriots to say, you know what, if he's going to play under our numbers and if he's going to be able to come in here and embrace the opportunity to compete, then let's do it. So I think Cam had to get his mind around it first for the Patriots to then make that move because he's working on about a 1.05, definitely working on the minimum, and everything is going to be not likely to be earned in incentives because he missed so much last year.

That's the only way they can get this done because they're so tight to the cap there's no chance that jared sit-ins the starting quarterback this year right is that how everybody in boston feels there's no chance that this guy when we have an mvp caliber guy that's about to learn the offense in the next month hopefully he's going to join i assume him and mcdaniel is going to be on the call i assume he'll be able to figure it out. But when you look at Cam Newton as a player, if he's healthy, you talk to Ron Rivera, you talk to Greg Olson, you talk to anybody that played with Cam, they're like, hey, if Cam is healthy, this dude is a different animal. And I agree because I got a chance to watch him do that.

There's no thoughts in Boston that Stidham's going to be the guy, right, and Cam's going to be his backup. There's no chance in hell of that. This is what I said last night when it came up. 70% of Cam Newton means it's no contest for the other two guys. But you got a guy who's coming off a list, Frank, last year, two straight years with a shoulder. And you've seen it. I'm not Tom House over here, but Cam has about 97 different release points. His footwork is a mess. He tries to jam it into weird spots. Those are things that are the antithesis of what Belichick looks for. He's only been over 60% passing two times in his career path. So it's going to take a mental shift, which you were

alluding to, but that was coming anyway. It's going to take a philosophical offensive shift where they're going to challenge more on the outside and use the quarterback as some kind of a threat on the edges too. Cam can do i think stidham can do that okay so let's enough with the stidham talk okay this guy fair enough no you're in boston you got your boots on the ground up there you're hearing more than i am andrew texting saying hey am i safe saying this so you got some really powerful people but let's just assume that cam newton is the starter okay let's just assume okay let's assume Newton is the starter. Okay, let's just assume. Okay, that's fair. Let's assume Cam Newton is the starter. He's 2-0 against the Patriots, right? Lamar Jackson, 1-0 against the Patriots. Do you think there's a chance

that we start seeing a little bit more of that style offense out of Josh McDaniels, a la what he did with Tim Tebow when he was in Denver? And if that's the case, if they're going to take advantage of everything Cam does, are they just going to go to the Super Bowl again?

Is that what's going to happen? Are the Patriots just going to go to the Super Bowl again? Is the defense's going to happen? Are the Patriots just going to go to the Super Bowl again? Is the defense good enough to be able to make it if they're on the field a lot? First part of the answer, yeah. They're absolutely going to morph the offense. I don't know if it's going to look exactly like Baltimore and do as much read option as they can. I mean, Cam, part of the reason he's been in decline is he got the hell beat out of them,

and they didn't give him enough protection. Said, okay, you're a big guy. You can take the beatings. So we'll see if he can be that guy. Will they go to the Super Bowl? Pat, they lost Gronkowski and Brady, okay? They never have replaced Gronkowski. That was present last year.

They have two rookie tight ends who are coming in to replace. They lost Jamie Collins and Kyle Van Noy. Defensively, they also lost some of their lower guys too, but that's two of their best pass rushers. The Gronkowski tight end situation, they've addressed it with rookies. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. They really didn't do anything at the wide receiver spot to get better.

So this is still a bottom, it's still a 20-32 team, talent-wise. That hasn't changed oh 23 do you do you tell belichick that when you're texting with him like hey am i safe in saying that you guys aren't gonna sign cam and also do you know that you guys are like number 30 out of 32 when it comes to talent on the roster they know it they know that you can't swing and miss as often as they have in the draft in the last few years or ignore the tight

end position and believe that you're in a great spot i mean the only guys they brought in pat in addition to cam newton are bo allen demir bird adrian phillips who could be a good player and danny vitale those are their free agent signing kyle duggar a second round pick at safety is a kid from division two he might have upside but all of these are projections and they haven't drafted well and they haven't done really well in free agency so the bills are come and do a little bit right now they're gonna have 90 million dollars in cap space last year we'll see if that's all around but this is a full-on rebuilding year oh so you're thinking this year is a year for them to set up for next year. And is this ultimately going to be a year where they have to decide

whether or not Cam Newton is going to be their quarterback of the future? Do you think that is 100%? Look, here's the upside. And I know you don't want to talk anymore, Jared Stimbs. I just think there's no conversation between Jared Stimbs and Cam Newton. This isn't even a conversation. Right. But if he plays. This isn't even a conversation. Right. But he's got that whole two years in the system head start mentally.

Yes, that's a big deal. So he knows where the – how will James White and Julian Edelman, the most valuable offensive players the Patriots have, work with Cam, who's more of a stop you know drop back set his feet browse around it's not a rhythm passing offense that he excels in so I think Stidham and Hoyer have that huge advantage in it's gonna look better quite often in practice with him doing it with those guys doing it than it might with Cam but then when cam gets on the field when cam's gonna do he'll do shit they can't do can't do he does stuff that people can't nobody can do especially

if he's healthy and he feels like he's on his way how long do you think this conversation had been happening because when cam was allegedly on the trading block after the page the panthers told him you're on the trading block and then then the Panthers made the announcement, by the way, that we have allowed Cam's people to seek a trade. One of the only teams to look into his medical at that point was the New England Patriots. And then whenever everybody brought that up, we're like, oh, the Patriots are potentially interested in Cam Newton, just like you. We were all told, no, no, no, not interested.

Not interested. Has that been going on for this entire time? They've been in touch with his reps like, hey, what number is he what number is he at now and then when it got to a point they're like all right let's do this with incentives we can figure it out is that how it went pat you you were in the league and you have probably great relationships with these guys on the business aspects of how the patriots and other teams do business the patriots are weird they don't talk to anybody they just leave leave it alone. They'll put something out there. They might stay in touch.

I'm sure it was Casario was mainly the guy talking to Bus Cook. And they probably just wait. They wait for guys to sweat. So Cam was probably starting to sweat. It's almost Independence Day. He's got no job. He's got no prospects. And the Patriots, I mean, I swear to God, I think it has something to do with the timing, absolutely, to me

has something to do with this penalty coming down. Were they going to do it? I think that they probably would take that run. The thought of Bill Belichick sitting in his office and Wednesday, I don't know, going to announce these penalties. You're shitting me, a third-round pick?

Are you shitting me? For our doctor. I want you to sign, Newton. Get Cannon here. third round pick for our doctor sign newton i don't get canada here i was in a whole week sign cam until cam stop doing his youtube immediately he can release one more piece of content and that's it what a moment you've got to feel good in Boston, though. Our guy over here, Boston Connor, he has – last week he was – last week he was –

He's going to die. Yeah, yeah. Last week he was 100% becoming an AFL-only fan. He had completely forgotten about the NFL because it finally hit him that the Patriots weren't going to have Tom Brady. I think he was living in a delusional world. It won't happen until we see it. Then they put Tom in that Tampa jersey on the internet,

and he's like, oh, my God, this is real. And he's only 24? Five. 25 years old, so he's only known the Patriots being dominant. So I think for the first time, maybe last week, it hit him where he was like, oh, man, we're probably going to stink. And then Sunday, bang, he's all the way back. I assume that's how all of Boston is.

No, they're not. You know how jaded we are up here. And, Connor, you know that too. I mean, people look at Cam Newton. They see hats. They see a guy who didn't dive on the ground for a fumble in the Super Bowl. They see a guy who's not been that accurate and hasn't been that good in the last couple years. It's a cynical place. It's cold. Jared Stidham threw a pick six's not been that accurate and hasn't been that good in the last couple of years.

It's a cynical place. It's cold. Jared Stidham threw a pick six. What was that? Jared Stidham, his last throw. His only throw. His only throw was a pick six. Oh, you know what?

In practice, though, they say he's a good guy. They say, like, what could you potentially be cynical about when it comes to Stidham versus Cam Newton, even for the most cynical city in Boston? You know. comes to stidham versus cam newton even for the most cynical city in boston you know it's it's i mean they're gonna be cynical uh he's gonna come in here with his hats and his scarves and his goofy glasses and the next thing you know so i mean there's i'm fascinated to see how this plays out over the next month and how this plays out over the next month and how it plays out in the first couple of weeks of camp. Who's taking the first team reps? Because it has to be Stidham.

Stidham has to take the first team reps coming into camp. I agree. Because he knows what the hell he's doing. So he's going to get his ass beat. Yeah, he is going to have the first reps with the ones. He definitely is because he knows the things. But in film at night, they're all going to be sitting in there with their masks on i assume and mcdaniel's mcdaniel's is going to be breaking it down and then day two cam's going to pick up

some more then day three cam's going to pick up even more day four day five maybe that first preseason game happens where stidham gets like a drive or two and then cam comes in and doesn't even do the offense by the the way, just looks around. I'm playing against a bunch of twos and threes right now in a preseason game. He tucks it. He runs for 60 to 70 on somebody. Then that next week it's going to be like, okay, Stidham and Cam are kind of splitting reps at this point,

and it's only going to be a matter of time before he gets going because I think he is at the point, chip on his shoulder-wise and mentally, where he's like, I've got to prove myself again, and I feel like the Patriots are the place to do it. Think about it. That's an outstanding point by you. Jarrett Stidham's not going to have a chip on his shoulder necessarily. People could say, well, he feels like everybody expects him to suck

because of Brady. Well, he probably thinks he might too. But Cam Newton has just been the NFL MVP, number one overall pick less than a decade ago. If anybody has a chip on his shoulder that's bigger than Cam Newton's, it would probably be the guy who just left. So he found the guy with the second biggest chip. Smart. That's Bill Belichick.

So it is. I mean, you got something to prove. He's motivated. He's a good player. He's talented to begin with. He can do stuff for you that you haven't seen your quarterback do in two decades, more than that, since 1993. Bledsoe was a birdbath, too.

Bledsoe tried to run that one time, and then, you know, dead. Oregon just got shuffled. Yeah. Could happen to Stidham, by the way, and Cam Newton's just going to be sitting over there like, all right, I'll be Tom Brady 3.0 if I need me. Tom, I can't thank you enough for joining us. I absolutely love the way your cam newton's just gonna be sitting over there like all right i'll be tom brady 3.0 if i need me uh tom i can't thank you enough for joining us i absolutely love the way your brain works buddy patrick thank you my friend connor enjoy yourself love that jersey we'll see you

guys are you gonna do the same are you gonna do the same to your tom brady jersey did you burn it already i can't do that i'm an objective chronicler of all things patriot Ladies and gentlemen, Tommy. That's all. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. I understand that you have a lot of options for things that can penetrate your ears. And the fact that you've stuck around this long to listen to this show, I appreciate you mucho. The key word is gerbil on a mug. Because that's currently what I'm looking at next to my bed. You tweet me gerbil on a mug, hashtag this is where I'm at, Pat.

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