The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 220 - Chris Herren, Daniel Cormier, Rickie Fowler, & Legend, AJ Hawk Stop By For A MASSIVE Show With A Powerful Conversation And Some MMA & Golf Magic. Let's Go.

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

Today’s show is LOADED with a couple of incredible conversations. First, Pat is joined by former 33rd pick of the 1999 NBA Draft, Point Guard for the Denver Nuggets and Boston Celtics, subject of the 30-for-30 Unguarded, creator of Herren Talks, the Herren Project, and Herren Wellness, the pride of Fall River, Massachusetts, Chris Herren. Pat and Chris chat about his story which details the incredible lengths he had to go to recover from drug addiction. He relives some of the moments that he thinks impacted his life the most, chats about what he’s doing to help struggling addicts now, and why he wouldn’t change anything that has happened (2:16-28:56). Next, former UFC Heavyweight Champion, UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Champion, King of the Cage Heavyweight Champion, UFC announcer, and current #1 Heavyweight contender, “DC” Daniel Cormier joins the program. Pat and DC discuss how his upcoming trilogy fight on August 15th against Stipe Miocic will be the last fight of his career, what it’s like facing someone for the third time, his thoughts on the pay scale in the UFC and how some fighters might be going about it wrong, what his training camp schedule looks like, if the smaller cage will be an advantage for him, and how his competitive mindset has driven him throughout his career (28:58-1:00:44). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ tell a couple of stories, shoot the breeze, and discuss everything that has been happening in the sports world (1:00:46-2:27:21). To close out the show, 2010 PGA Tour Rookie of the Year, owner of 9 wins as professional golfer including the 2015 Players Championship, owner of 3 runner-ups in Majors and a T3, one of the most interesting men in golf, Rickie Fowler joins the program. Pat and Rickie discuss what a typical practice round is like for a PGA pro, what kind of music he listens to while he’s playing, how having a close group of buddies on tour has helped his golf game, who thinks the best golfer of all-time is, what his relationship on the course with Phil Mickelson is like, what he’s doing with Rocket Mortgage to help the city of Detroit, and what he does mentally when he has an off day on the golf course (2:27:23-2:39:03). Don’t forget to send in a picture of where you’re listening to the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch. We appreciate you all. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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that i think we will all learn from and be excited about our newfound friendship ladies and gentlemen chris heron how's it going, man? All good. I just checked out chrisherron.com this morning, and we watched Unguarded yesterday again. I want to let you know, what a ride your life has been, man. What an incredible ride. Do you ever sit back, like in the morning,

you look at the mirror and just go, holy hell, I can't believe I'm here? Every day. Every day. Every day. When you wake up and you take a chance at dying for eight years straight, it's a miracle I'm here.

I was close to death multiple times, every day for about eight years I took a chance at dying. So to be around that today sitting coming up on 12 years sober is is just phenomenal. Congratulations. Easy. I have. I stopped drinking because I used to party rather hard, still smoke a lot of marijuana, but I stopped drinking completely. And I understand how hard that is. Let's get into your story a little bit. So Fall River, Massachusetts, where you're from, that is like an hour outside of Boston. Is that accurate? Yep. 25 from Providence, hour from Boston. Seems like a real working class community,

tight community, hard-nosed, blue-collar community. Is that accurate? Very much so. Okay. And basketball basketball high school basketball was the thing in the town and i think watching that documentary i actually asked we have a kid from massachusetts here massive fan of yours i believe he had a hair in jersey back in the day um but i asked him i was like is high school basketball a big deal in massachusetts i had no idea and then when we watched the on guard documentary you guys had it seemed like five six thousand people in the gym Was that because you were there, or is that because what Massachusetts High School basketball is?

No, I think it was more Fall River, Massachusetts, right? I think we had anywhere between 35,000 to 5,000 people on Friday nights. Strong tradition of winning. My brother, I followed his footsteps, and he was 49 and one um in two years so won two state championships uh you know high school basketball back then locally was a lot different now it's dominated by prep schools you know the best of the best played for their local high school um you know now the best players go away to prep school. So there was a lot of talent in the gym. And with that mixed with the strong tradition, we had sellout crowds.

Now your loyalty to Fall River will be something we'll talk about here in a little bit once we get down the line of your story here. But you end up going to Boston College. And as a local guy going to Boston College, I bet that was massive amongst everybody in Fall River. I bet that was huge for the Boston College people. For you, that had to be almost dream come true, or was NBA always dream? No, NBA was never a dream. The dream was to play Durfee basketball. And then I realized I was a little better than most and that you know I could

continue and you know it really wasn't until like my junior late in my junior year of high school where I kind of stepped on the scene and and you know started wrecked they started recognizing me as one of the top basketball players in the country um but to go to BC, you know, close to home, you know, I'm a four of a kid, but Massachusetts through and through and just didn't last long. Yeah, let's talk about that. So you tell the story in the Unguarded documentary that whenever you're there, you're offered cocaine by two ladies, which is cocaine cocaine which is a college move by the way you were describing basically what college is in a nutshell and you made sure to put out the point like at first you said no to it and then they were kind of persistent you went back to it and do you

think that one decision to try cocaine that one night now granted it could have happened again another night you could never do that but do you think that was the night where it really all changed for Chris Aaron, do you think? I think I'm wired to seek relief. Cool. And cocaine allowed me to talk about the things I needed relief from. I fell in love with the honesty, the long nights, the conversations, the depth. And, you know, as crazy as that sounds, you know, and to the average person, they'd be like, what, what, what is that? You know, but to people who've been down that road, they know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, those late night conversations are the realest conversations that ever happened. Okay, and they might be in a different state of mind, but they are happening, which don't normally happen in high school. Did you try any drugs or alcohol or were you pretty straight shooter in high school? No, no, there was nothing straight about me i've been crooked since the get-go i uh no drank a lot smoked a lot hallucinogenics mushrooms acid you name it i did uh, painkillers occasionally, but cocaine is what really wrapped me up at 18. Um, and you know, I'm just one of those guys that, you know, once I get going, it's tough to, there's no more breaks. And, uh, I, I learned that pretty quickly. Um, you know, I'd be in a dorm room partying with a bunch of people. And the next thing you know, there's only two left and then I'm the only one. So my Boston college career

was ended quickly. I failed multiple drug tests and cocaine back then. I mean, it was off the heels of Lenny Bias, right? So it was kind of like for athletes, it was kind of like this taboo, especially basketball. And BC didn't know how to deal with it. And they kind of took the hard line approach and they suspended me for a year. And then I said, you know what? I'm out of here.

I'm transferring. Okay, so when you transferred to Fresno State, you didn't have to sit out a year. The suspension was by Boston College, not the NCAA, because I was kind of confused in that whole thing. Yeah, yeah. It was by Boston College.

But I did sit out a year because of the transfer. Got it. So I went out to Fresno thinking, okay, I'm 3,000 miles away from home. I can put this behind me. And like any person suffering from this, we know where the water level is. And I'm at a barbershop and people, it's getting ready to close and the beers are coming out. And the next thing you know, I'm noticing guys going to the bathroom. And I jump back into it.

And I ran with cocaine for about three years at Fresno pretty hard. Okay, so even though you ran with cocaine at Fresno pretty hard, and you partied, and some of your friends, by the way, from Fall River moved out to Fresno, which a lot of people said was potentially a problem because you were bringing people back in your life that were problematic, maybe at that time of life, not forever, but you still end up getting drafted, I think picked 32 or 33,

33 to the Denverver nuggets and that had to be something where you're like was there ever a thought it was like hey man i've been up late nights doing with these people still putting 30 on like umass and i'm still part was there ever a thought where you were like you know what i should probably just go ahead and get straight whenever i go clean here in the nba and who knows what i could do or was it your mindset like hey look what i already got drafted 33 and for the last three years i've been on cocaine i could do whatever i would you feel like invincible almost neither neither i believe i was neither. I believe I was, I was wired to seek relief. And with being untreated, I was not gonna, that was the mindset. It wasn't, there wasn't a mindset of like, oh, I can drop 30 on you high. I was guilt ridden walking into arenas after partying all night. You know, I was full of shame and guilt and remorse. You know, I was full of shame and guilt and remorse. And then there was not this mentality that, you know, I'm going to.

I'm just going to get sober and I'm going to let this thing run. Because I knew deep down in my soul that that it was bigger than that. If I was ever going to live that lifestyle where I could be 100% focused on the game, I was going to have to step away from the game for a while. Did anybody know, like at Denver or Fresno State, aside from your friends, because Heather, your wife, you've been together since seventh grade, which is a miracle, by the way, especially as a D1 athlete who moved across the country, made the NBA. That is an absolute. Congratulations on that. But she she seems like we've been married twice.

I mean, basically, you know, there was pre sobriety, post sobriety. So two different lives, two different two different marriages, basically. But she said she didn't even know. She said that, was that a lot for your teammates and stuff too? Because I feel like my teammates knew if I showed up and I was ridiculously hungover or if they'd been out with me or anything like that. Did your teammates ever know? Because that seems like an interesting locker room conversation. No, I mean, football's different.

You know, football's a totally different animal. And I've learned that over the last 10 years, you know, speaking at Alabama and Florida State in that culture, you know, football is full time. Basketball is part time. You know, I mean, it's like you walk in, you practice for an hour and 40 minutes and you go home. for an hour and 40 minutes and you go home. So I think the integrity of a football locker room is much stronger. The connection is much stronger than it is in the sport like basketball. You know, and do I think some of my teammates had an idea? Probably, you know, after only being with them for six months, I don't think any of them really wanted to go down that road. Um, and again, you know, on an NBA roster, I'm the 12th player, right? So I'm kind of insignificant in the radar and did my thing now in the nba the denver nuggets was the best year of my life i had mcdice and george mcleod and roy rogers and popeye jones and chauncey billups bryant spith like men of integrity um who really looked out for me um but i but i you know i

remember being in miami going to the rolex you know, before the Rolex was the Rolex, right? It was a beat up Rolex. And, you know, that night took on a life of its own. And when I got back to the hotel in the Grove, one of my teammates was waiting in the lobby for me and he just shook his head. And he's like, you know, we got to talk. And that was Georgeorge mcleod so a couple of them knew um but none really broached the topic with me nobody really wanted to kind of dive in and intervene when you got traded from denver back to boston was that the worst thing that could have ever happened to chris harron's life

it just sped up the process. So you think you still would have been doing everything you were doing. It was just at a different level because you were back home. No doubt. Yeah, no doubt. It just fast tracked it. Right. I mean, I, you know, when I got back there and I was already dabbling with Oxycontin,

you know, and Oxycontin at that time in 1999, 2000, all you kind of heard about it was hillbilly heroin, right? It was like in West Virginia and Kentucky, uh, and made its way up to Maine. And I found it in Massachusetts and people weren't taking it. Um, it wasn't common. Uh, but you know, when I jumped up to about 1600 milligrams a day, that's tough to manage. What is a standard dose of Oxycontin? I don't think I've ever... By the way, Oxycontin, and it might've been you a part of that whole thing. The Oxycontin branding, it turned into very similar to the way heroines talked about like hey do not mess with oxycontin if you can stay away from oxycontin stay away from oxycontin whenever you

got hooked on oxycontin did you you i think in the documentary you said you and your friends had no idea that it was going to get you the way it did right well i mean the reality is we were buying it off terminally ill people right i mean that's, that's who it was being prescribed to back in 1999. I wasn't buying it from them, but the people who were selling it were getting it from people with stage four cancer, uh, HIV, um, people who were in a lot of pain were, were, that's who they were getting it from. So there was a part of me that knew you know i mean i'm taking something that's prescribed to people who are who are dying in a sense um but it wasn't like i mean it it was an immediate marriage it was an immediate like handcuff um you know to go from 40 milligrams to 1600 milligrams a day uh I would assume, you know,

I had rotator cuff surgery when I was playing for the Celtics, pretty painful surgery. And the guy prescribed me, I think it was 20 milligram Oxycontin twice a day, you know, so I'm taking 1600 milligrams to walk around and play hoop. Jeez. Jeez. And then there's a legendary story which by the way not legendary in a good way but you in your full boston celtics jump suit outside the arena while fans are walking in waiting for your oxycontin dealer was there did anybody ever like was there ever i mean i feel like in 2020 if that was to happen, it would be obviously impossible because cameras everywhere. But did you ever have –

Cameras everywhere, yeah. The way it was set up, the TD Garden, you know, it was a secured lot in front of it. There was one guy sitting in it who kind of passed us through. I told him. I said to him, like, I have a buddy. He needs a spot. So I managed that, you know, but the reality is, you know is I'm standing outside like 10 minutes

Before the game And I had no choice Because there's no way physically I could have played in that game Unless I had it in my system So what do you And now at this point about to be 12 years sober Which is absolutely amazing Especially with the demons that you've been battling

You battled for so long back then There was never a thought of like If I I was sober, I'd be better than that guy. I'd be better than that guy. I'd be better than that guy. You never thought that because in your head, you're like, I need this actually to be good. I was too sick to think that way. You know, like my, you know, my, the way I thought was, how am I going to manage tomorrow? How am I going to cast this check? How am I going to move this money? How am I going to ship Oxycontins all over the country? So when I'm on an eight-day road trip, it's going to be in every hotel lobby waiting for me.

And then whenever you leave the Celtics because you get injured, you end up going overseas you go to china i believe you go to italy and that was where you found actual heroin it was like that is just the fact that you were able to play at this such high level while being on all these incredibly harsh drugs for me and this is going to sound bad but you might be one of the greatest athletes to ever exist like literally ever exist because 1600 milligrams of oxycontin just to go play hoops i mean that is and then you go to italy and you get into actual heroin you said and then you you i think china as well i mean chris that is absolutely as somebody who partied rather hard like i i would show up at practice hungover and i would almost do better those days because I didn't want anybody to come after me for being an alcoholic or hungover, right?

Yeah, sure. You'd focus. Turn it up. Yeah, exactly. You'd have to dial it in. Like, listen, if I mess up today, everybody's going to call me an alcoholic. Everybody's going to call me a problem. But if I do good, they can't say anything.

It's like for you, what you were able to accomplish is just next level. Now that you're 12 years sober and you're speaking, chrisharon.com for everything, Haren Talks, Haren Project, Haren Wellness. I mean, what you are giving back to the community is next level. But when you speak and you have those moments, do you ever think like, I wonder what I could have done if I wasn't on all those drugs?

Honestly, I used to. It really, that dominated my life when I was getting hot once I got sober it was a sense of relief and all of that past just went away right and it just the hustle had to be turned into something different like recovery is no different you know like for me to stay sober for 12 years i gotta get my shots up you know i gotta i gotta keep my cardio going i gotta stay in shape it's just applied in a different mindset um so the sense of relief and the accomplishment like to to be be coming up on 12 years sober in August is way greater for me than any basketball game I ever played in.

What was rock bottom? What led you to be in sober finally, after all those years, it had to be something. I mean, right. So, you know,

it's, uh, I mean, a guy looked me in the eye and told me I should play dead for my kids. You know, he was like, you know, you should you should play dead. You should pretend that you OD'd, let your wife say you died in a car crash, however you want to play it. But it's time to let the people who love you live. And and I was 32 years old.

I was in treatment when he told me this. And, you know, I contemplated doing that. I contemplated, you know, I didn't know if I had any fight or comeback in me. And there were nights that I laid in bed and I thought about ending my life. I thought about letting my kids go. You know, my son, Chris was nine. My daughter, Samantha was seven. My wife was eight months pregnant when I overdosed the last time. Um, and I, I was just, I was always in the way, man. You know, I was always, I was always a hindrance to their happiness.

And whether it was birthday parties or Christmas, I was present, but I was always taken. I was always taken from it. Chris, you're an amazing dude. You know that. There's not a lot of people that bounce back to look the way you look and act the way you act right now from that. Thank you, brother.

I mean, that's all the shows now. Documentaries, shows. There's a lot. I mean, there's a very small amount of humans that make it to the NBA. Okay? Very, very small amount of humans that make it to the NBA. But I think that number is even smaller for the number of people that get off of what you were on there for so long.

I mean, that is absolute insanity. And the fact now that you're giving back and your son chris is what a sophomore in college now playing hoops yes he's going to san diego um he was at bc bc he's the third heron to fizzle out at bc for different reasons for different different reasons much different much different terms um For different reasons. For different reasons. Much different. Much different terms.

He's going to the West Coast. I don't blame him. You know, that's where it's at. You know, and he's ready to start fresh out there. My daughter's starting her freshman year at Providence College. So, yeah, life is good, man. You know, recovery has given me and my family everything we ever needed and wanted. And I'm blessed. I'm truly blessed to share it, to share it, to talk about it,

and to encourage, right? Because people tell heroin addicts that life is over. You know, my life is just beginning. How's your shot? You still got a good shot or no? I'm a phenomenal tennis player right now. Really? Phenomenal.

That's your thing? You go hang out and beat the hell out of the old folks at the tennis courts? No, no, no. See, I have my wellness center now. I got a bunch of young adults. Hey, Virginia and Massachusetts, by the way, two of them. That is unbelievable what you're giving back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I got some real good, you know, some athletes that come through here, some professional athletes, college athletes, old athletes. So tennis is, I'm a gorilla. I'm a gorilla on the tennis. Do you still talk to anybody

from Fall River, anybody you grew up with? Of course. I drive through Fall River to get to my wellness center every day um fall rivers you know i i am fall river right i'm through and through it's in my blood i you know i love the city um i believe the culture and the mentality and that what i grew up in that that's what kind of came out of it also came came out of me through basketball but then also in recovery oh the grit right you need that grit from there to get through because there's no easy day digs what do you got chris you talk about athletes coming through your wellness center do that have you found that like a lot of

athletes with problems uh with addiction stuff like that seek you out? Or do you hear their families coming to you for help and then you reach out to them? Does any of that happen? Yeah, totally. I keep my wellness center small. I believe in culture. I think it matters when you're healing. So we have 36 people here that live here.

But people reach out to me from all over, you know, whether it's athletes, actors, politicians, judges, doctors. You know, we get all types. And that's kind of the beauty about addiction today, that, you know, it crosses all boundaries, all area codes. You know, so we get a lot of former athletes. We get a lot of current athletes that come through here as well. But, you know, it's sad because you said you smoke a lot of weed. A lot. Too much.

Yeah, yeah. A lot. Too much. A lot. Too much probably. You perked up on that. It's good. It does good for me at the time. I hear you. Are you trying to get me to this wellness thing? Right now I'm not going to. Hey listen, I got a bed for you.

Hey listen, you don't want me on that tennis court, Chris. You hear me? We'll be back in the second hour of radio. We can't talk to you. All right, so radio just shut off right there for the hard out there. Hey, if I come in there, know I am bringing my own tennis record. Listen, I'm waiting. I'll be at the net.

Well, Chris, I think i think man this story like i don't even know how to sum up the conversation we just had there because i when i was when we were told we were going to talk to you i was so pumped about it then we watched a documentary and i'm you you sound like you're right out of a movie like not the accent but i'm just talking about your life is straight now the accent is also ridiculous but you you are straight out of a movie man like you're not supposed to be where you're at right now and the fact you're giving back to so many people and changing the world it's a beautiful thing chris it's an absolutely beautiful thing thank you brother thank you very much what do you got there denali escalade what are we

sitting in yeah i'm sitting in it outside my wellness center because there was too much noise oh get a little hectic in there huh huh? A little trash talk in there. Hey, listen, I'll be at the net waiting. Yeah, yeah. If you're scared, you just let me know. Ladies and gentlemen, NBA player, author, speaker, Fall River legend. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Herron. Thank you.

Thank you, man. Love you, brother. Hey, I'm going to get your book. I need to get your book. Anytime. I'll send it to you. No, I'll pay for it. I like supporting business. Love you, brother. Hey, I'm going to get your book. I need to get your book. Anytime. I'll send it to you. No, I'll pay for it. I like support and business. Let me buy it.

But I will need you to sign it, and I will need you to say, I got Samprist by McAfee. If you could please. No doubt. All right, I appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Harris. Yes! What a stud, dude.

Hey. Beast. That was a real convert. Oh, yeah Beast. That was a real convert. Oh, yeah. We just had a real conversation. You saying? How the fuck are you on 1,600 milligrams of Oxycontin, and then you're in the NBA balling?

I don't know. Scoring 20 points. Cover the newspaper. Bro, that is next level. When I said you might be the greatest athlete of all time, imagine what's going on in there while he's doing it. I mean, that is just next level. That is an level. Like when I said you might be the greatest athlete of all time, imagine what's going on in there while he's doing it. I mean, that is just next level. That is an insane amount.

I'm so thankful. But you also say in like this many people make it to the NBA, this many people make it through what he did. Like that's very true. Very true. You watch Intervention or you watch any of these documentaries or Live PD even. It's become like, well, that show's been canceled. But if you watch Live PD, it's all these people that are battling this.

You either end up on the street, or you end up dead, or the very, very, very, very, very small amount end up like him. And it's just like, damn, unbelievable what he's accomplished. Yeah, you hate to say it, but you look at somebody like Delonte West. It's a similar situation where they just end up in these terrible situations, and one made it out, and one... And those videos of Delonte West that come out are just so so so sad but man him outside TD Garden when his Boston Celtics jump through it just crazy I got a guy coming 10 minutes away yeah he needs

a spot I'm a big fan of that Chris Heron guy let's go ahead and pivot over to a man who's been the heavyweight champion of the UFC he's been a the heavyweight champion of the UFC. He's been a light heavyweight champion of the UFC. And on August 15th, he steps back into the octagon to fight Stipe. Ladies and gentlemen, commentator for the UFC, badass of a human, Daniel Cormier. Yeah, DC! What's going on, guys? How you doing, Pat? Am I allowed to call you DC? Yeah, you're definitely allowed to call me DC.

Hey, DC, let's talk about it, pal. Hey, you are one of the greatest athlete commentators I've ever heard in my entire career. So good for you on that whole thing. Oh, thank you so much, man. I appreciate it. I'm just a fan of the fights. I enjoy watching them. I enjoy calling them.

And I'm lucky enough to have that job well you do a great job and whenever the uh the arenas were not allowed to be filled with fans because of uh covet 19 quarantine they were just putting the fights on me as like a common fan i enjoyed the fights a lot because i could hear the sounds more i could hear the corners talking to the fighters we could hear you guys having a good time. One of the fighters, I believe one of the first fights was like, I actually heard Cormier say something and I gave it a go. It's like, well, isn't that an interesting situation when you have one of the greatest fighters of all time sitting right next to you? Like, if I was him, I'd be doing this right now. Is that something you even think about while

calling these fights with nobody in there? You know, man, honestly, when I first heard that we were going to be doing it with no crowd, i didn't really know how it was gonna go but at the end of the night i looked at joe rogan and i go man i didn't hate this like i really didn't hate not having the fans now obviously the fans add a lot to the to the the deal but it was nice man and it was also cool whenever it was a greg hardy and it was a girl named Carla Esparza. They both said, well, we heard Daniel, so we were kind of listening. And I was like, that's different. But in Vegas now, they put a plexiglass around the commentators because we're the only people allowed in the arena without masks.

So they put a plexiglass in front of the commentators. I think maybe that's helped but uh not so much well let's talk about the ufc uh basement fighting basically that's going on right now let's talk it's a smaller cage in that first night with those smaller cages we saw some massive knockouts i mean they were explosive fights and my thought as a casual fan was like is this what's going to happen with the smaller cage and you actually spoke about this i think with ariel hawani about the smaller cage with steep a what is your mindset going in is it different than the bigger cage in your eyes it's different there's a lot less space to to move around and maneuver pat the octagon is eight sides it's two and a half feet at every corner so it's not just five feet smaller in total it's two and a half feet at every corner so it's not just five feet smaller in total it's two and

a half feet at every corner so there's about this much space added at every corner of the octagon so could you imagine how much bigger it is yeah so it's way smaller it it really does uh make you kind of engage much sooner and there's not much space to run and i think for me it's better i'm 5 11 steep amy oach is just 6 3 you know so he wants the space he's a boxer he wants the space to move and maneuver whereas i kind of want to be in close so it works for me okay so i saw you for the first time you walked into jay glazer's gym and you were wearing a shirt that said i break bones okay yes and i was working out and i think I had just partied with Jon Jones like two weeks before that.

And I looked over, and I was like, that guy right there, is he a trainer for somebody? They're like, no, that's Daniel Cormier, and do not disrespect him. He will beat the hell out of you. And I was like, I was just with Jon Jones. Okay? I was just with Jon Jones. Jon Jones is this physical specimen.

Like, when you look at him you're like that guy is a physical specimen same with stipe i gotta meet him in columbus they're big guys you have this relatable build in gary bracket who's one of my good friends had the same exact thing i would assume that whenever you're going in a lot of it is hey what is going to be the best way for me to beat this particular person and you said that there's going to be a lot of wrestling in this match with stipe whether fans like it or not it's the fight is august 15th it's june 30th currently like when do you start getting into the studying like the film the training are you in the middle of camp and study right now and how does the day what is the day

like well today is is is a tough day right like after i'm done with this i go and lay in my hyperbaric chamber because i gotta get myself prepared for wrestling practice wrestling practices is just insane i've got so many high level wrestlers in here right now scrapping wood on the daily then in the evening i get my my kickboxing coach javier mendez comes in here and works me out but i i go through 14 workouts a day but as as you said, I'm the guy that's related. 14? Not a day. I'm sorry. A week.

A week. Oh, okay. Jeez. I'm sorry. That's impossible. I misspoke. But I'm very relatable, right, in the sense that I'm not 6'5". I'm not a big, muscular guy, you know? But I have an approach.

I tell everybody. I said, hey, hey man these guys are sports cars i'm a ford expedition for durability you know i get in their face and get after but yeah i'm right in the middle of training camp look you see this oh who was it my barn who was who was it it was this guy named one of my training partners name is tiago bill for sparring and we're using the small gloves. And, Pat, a lot of times when guys use the small gloves, like the fight, they're worried about the cuts.

They're worried about getting hit hard. So everybody's kind of just like touching, and it doesn't really do anything. So I encourage my partners to try and actually hit me so that I have to move. And, well, this time I didn't move fast enough. I just got to the eye, you know. But to me, it's not a big deal. It just means that we're rocking and rolling you know right in the middle of getting prepared well you're six seven weeks out now at this point yes um when was last time you fought i've been fought since last year in august i mean i fought stipe stipe and i fought july of 2018 i beat him then Then I fought in November of 2018, but then I had back surgery in December of 2018.

So I was out until August. And then he beat me, and then he's been out since that fight. So we're waiting for the third fight. Neither one of us has fought. So that training is insane. I got a chance. Chris Lytle here is from Indianapolis, and they train in this indie boxing and grappling.

It's a basement of a... See you later, man. Nice job. No, no. I just grabbed my fucking computer charger. I just looked up. It says 5%. Come on, DC.

Get it together. This is unprofessional, man. This is bad. No, but I've gone and rolled with Lytle and Mitri Owens over here as well. And those workouts were the hardest thing I've ever done in my entire life. And I felt like I was in pretty good shape at the time. Whenever you're out for that long,

is there ever the thought like you're a little bit worried that, hey, am I going to be able to get back into shape? Especially you're like 42, I think, right? I'm 41 years old. And I was like, hey, this is it. Like I didn't know. Like when the quarantine hit and I gained like 17 pounds, I was like, man, this might be the end of me.

This might just be over. But then I started to do things slowly, right? I started to build the gym in my garage. And then I started to run. And I started to hit the bag. And this was right in the middle of quarantine. We're not doing anything. So a few days a week I would go out there and get on the treadmill.

And I would hit some rounds on the heavy bag. And I was like, okay, I'm starting to get get a little smaller I'm starting to feel more like myself and then we went to Jacksonville for that first UFC fight back I brought my training partner and I said hey it's 14 weeks from the fight I know it's long but I need you to come here and hold pads with me spar with me do things light so that we can get ready to get ready. So I've been doing stuff for the last eight weeks now as I head into the final six weeks of training camp just to get ready to get ready. And as the time has gone on, today I feel like myself, right?

I can get up. I can go and I can wrestle. I can go and I can train. I can do the things that have made me have all the success in fighting. Have you come to the decision that this will be your last fight? Has that been a thought? This is it. Oh, yeah, this is it.

Yeah, this is a wrap, man. This is it. This is the last time. Look at my hair, man. Look at my freaking hair. Hey, your hair's on like 22%. Your computer's on fire. This is why I wear a hat.

I don't do haircuts when I'm in the middle of training camps. I'm wearing hats. Yeah, my hair's out, man. My hair has gone through the ringer. And, like, who looks like that? But, yeah, this is it. You know, I've done everything, man. I've done everything.

It just means something to me to finish this trilogy with Stipe. Because not only is he the greatest heavyweight of all time, and this fight will determine who is the greatest heavyweight UFC history and of course indefinitely of this era he's also a good guy a guy that does the right thing and I'm excited to finish this trilogy with him and that'll be the time that I step into the octagon last you know I mean it's been fun this has been a great ride for me I never could have imagined that I would be doing this for so long at the highest levels I mean, it's been fun. This has been a great ride for me. I never could have imagined that I would be doing this for so long at the highest levels.

I mean, I fought the number five heavyweight in the world a year and a half into my career. Now I'm 10 years in and, you know, I'm still fighting at the highest level. So I'm lucky. Well, congrats on a hell of a run. Can't wait to watch your final battle here with Stipe. But getting to meet Stipe in Columbus

and Lytle and Mitrione and a lot of fighters i got a chance to drink or have a good time with incredibly deep thinkers like that there is something special there's something special about having the ability to have this gladiator mentality to go into a cage and not want to be not be angry at the person immediately after for trying to kill you like there is something special about that whenever you go into this fight with stipe who is also a very good guy you just alluded to it what are the thoughts it's just like hey this is 100 of chess match we've heard stipe there isn't gonna be a lot of build up like hey i think this guy's a douche hey i hate you you hate you which is a classic fight build up even in high

score junior high this is just something where it's like hey we are the two guys and we're just gonna have to figure out how to beat each other is that going to be the marketing and kind of the build up for it well you know the reality is like we fought twice right and there was a lot of aggravation on his part for not getting an immediate rematch there's been a lot of aggravation on my part for having to wait anytime you fight somebody two times and you're going into a third fight your relationship absolutely changes so whereas before we were very cordial and we were almost friendly, that's not the case anymore.

There's respect, but that's definitely not the case. We're not friends anymore. But maybe later. But right now it's ultimately going to be I have to win at all costs. Like I cannot lose this fight. This fight means everything to me. Hell yeah, it's what you're going to remember forever. Your last fight, your last taste in your mouth. mouth and now granted you're always going to be for as long

as you want to be the voice of the ufc but right now with the ufc there's a lot going on whether it's john jones who guy who you have had a lot of beef with and a lot of great bouts with and a lot of hype around him talking about fighters making more money or other fighters coming out saying hey we deserve more money it's your last fight now but you're still going to be on the UFC payroll for a long time is that kind of hard to balance and be like I agree that I think fighters should be making more money but we also have to understand the business side or like how does that whole thing work out you think in your mind you know I think that that guys do deserve money like Jones deserves a lot of money for all that he's done over the course of his career um but the reality is you know i feel like i you know it's just different i feel like

all these these negotiations and i'm sure you went through a ton of negotiations in your career we never heard you talk about it publicly and i think when guys are talking about the fighter pay and everything publicly that's what's hurting them. Because I know that, and I said this on my show a few weeks ago, Pat, like as the champion, I was making millions of dollars. But my contract, because I got it so long ago, was for 300 grand if I would fight as a challenger. Because I figured I would never lose the belt, so that's fine. Just make it something. But I would never fight for three hundred thousand dollars right now so i go to the ufc and i speak to them about me getting paid fairly and because i don't do it publicly i get it i got what i wanted right i got the pay that i

was getting as the heavyweight champion so it's like it's just a matter of doing these things in the right under the right circumstances and i think it can be worked out. I really do. We have to get to a break for radio. DC will stick around with us on YouTube. Let's get to that right now. Don? We're clear? Okay. So I assume Dana White, though, is he the guy that's negotiating the contract with you

whenever you go in there and you're like, hey, listen, this is what I was making. We know that I am a voice of the sport every time i fight people enjoy my fights is that kind of how it works because it feels like i do i do a lot of work with wwe um when it not currently but i have in the past and whenever you talk to the people at b and if you handle your business that way like they appreciate it almost it's like okay this is not the end of your business is it saying the reality was like i like i don't i don't this time i talked to dana but i never say i'm a commentator i've done all this for the or i never say that i just i say listen you know and this time it was with hunter campbell who's uh the lawyer dana's lawyer and a very high up does all the contract negotiations for the UFC at this point.

But we go to Hunter, and I go, Hunter, I said, you know, what my contract states is something that, you know, obviously after five years of making what I was making, I would not want to go back to that. And it was very easy to get back to the number that I was comfortable with. That's awesome. Let's talk about. It's done behind closed doors, right? I on twitter i'm not on instagram and this was like one of my my

deals with jorge masvidal who i think is a phenomenal fighter i was like you know he was thanking all the fans that have supported him through this fight with the ufc but it's like they're not going to pay him right ultimately his money comes from that organization so it's better to work it out with that organization opposed to doing it and getting the support and love of the fans well i think as soon as you make it public then it's seen as a competition right then the negotiation and if you know dana white you need to you know let's let's talk about the ufc uh there's a guy in the wwe world who went over there brock lesnar and I don't know if you and Brock ever fought

Or anything like that, but what are your thoughts On what Brock was able to accomplish over there And do you wish For the good of the sport, UFC Do you wish that Brock would have focused strictly On mixed martial arts, or do you think Brock and I had a big moment after I beat Stipe, because he was in the crowd

So I called him into the octagon And we pushed and shoved at each other. I cut a promo on him. He cut a promo on me. It was like WrestleMania. Let's go. It was freaking awesome. And we were scheduled to fight.

But then Brock never got his contract worked out with the UFC, so the fight never happened. So for me, it sucked, right, because that's big money. You fight Brock Lesnar, it's big money. He's a draw in the wrestling world. He's a draw in the mixed martial arts world. I think he could have been something tremendously special if he just did mma but to be a ufc champion and have he's got seven fights in his whole career eight fights in his whole career so to have worn the usc belt with that little experience that speaks to the level of

athlete that brock levin brock lesnar. You would have beat up Brock Lesnar? I would have crushed Brock Lesnar. I would have walked Brock Lesnar. I would have walked Brock Lesnar out of the octagon. And for me, it was great, right, because it was a great visual, right? Brock's this big, hulking guy. I'm small. I'm pudgy.

It's like, but then I'm going to just kick Brock's ass. It's perfect for me. ass sadly it didn't happen the opinions of my guests do not reflect that of me i forget who it was now um somebody was in the case who just had that big knockout uh just walk straight ahead and just francis and gano just threw bombs at the guy oh yeah it was francis and gano man and i forget somebody was talking shit on you, I guess, asking if you were scared or something. Yeah, like, he said, DC, you're scared of Francis.

And I believe your words were, I would kill that guy. It's just crazy when people, it's just crazy, right? Because I believe fighters have a different mentality. Like, fear isn't the word that jumps into your mind when you see somebody do something spectacular it's it's an it's intrigue you know and you know like interesting you know like this guy is interesting now he uh he he now is a guy that's viable you know it's not

fear it's never feared it's like it's like almost intrigue like wow i wonder what people would think after watching him do all that he's done to see me beat him. Like, that's what goes into a fighter's head initially. It's not fear ever. So that's your motivation. Your motivation is, now granted, money's good and legacy and all that stuff.

I mean, that is obviously great. But the thought of you walking out of that cage as a winner and watching that person limp out after what they just did to another human for you that's like all these motherfuckers are talking about what this guy was just able to do but if i was to get in there it'd be a whole different story that's your mindset every single fight most yeah every time every time when these guys fight and everybody you know when i was the champion i'd be next to the octagon they would all call me out after looking phenomenal and the only thing i would think about was like if this

guy gets to fight me i'm gonna try to make him seem so normal i want to take the guy that seems abnormal the guy that seems like a superhero and i want to make him seem normal on average you know that's like my i love doing that to people i remember anthony johnson was just knocking people out so bad and he fought glover to share and he knocked him on 14 seconds and i was sitting in the front row my wife and we were just watching the fight and he was going to be the next challenger and the crowd's going crazy and joe rogan goes the champion's sitting right there you have anything to say to him and in my mind i was just thinking when i fight this guy i'm gonna smash him like

okay let's build it but i know know I'm going to smash him. And I had already beaten him. So he had beat everybody else and he had gotten back to me. But I was like, the same thing is going to happen. Break him, I'm going to smash him. And then I submitted him in the second round. But it was like, he looked so great, but I knew I was going to make him look average.

And that's the approach I take with everybody. I'm just like, I'm going to make this dude that the people think is amazing look average. And is that because of your wrestling background? That is the equalizer? Wrestling is just my mentality as a competitor. I think I'm just like a very competitive person. It's like I love the competitive fire that burns inside of me,

but it's also like my biggest, like, it's like a gift and a curse because I'm not okay most times with just things being okay. You know, it's like... Probably affects your personal life, if not okay most times with just things being okay. You know, it's like. Probably affects your personal life if I had to guess. It really does at times. I'm competing in everything. Yeah. It's like I can never just, a lot of times like it's hard to just be happy.

You know, even I compete in competition. Obviously, I compete in video games. I compete in life. I compete in being on the TV side of things. I try to compete to be the best in that like i'm never okay just being okay and that's like it's great it's allowed me to be who i am but it also can be tough to deal with at times it's annoying isn't it is annoying it is it really is pretty dang annoying it is like it gets to the point when i don't think a lot of

people truly understand this but you lose a lot of friends because of said competitive as i would assume i i would assume that is something that happens because it's like uh okay we're doing something we might as well make this a competition and in said competition i'm probably gonna win you're gonna be upset and probably never play tennis again that is what happened that's what happened to all my friends whenever they were playing tennis for like an entire two three months i go back to visit them because i spent vacations in pittsburgh with them whenever i was in the off season and they were like hey we're having a tennis tournament you want to play they're like trying to get me or whatever never played tennis before in my life i win the tournament there's still guys that i have not talked to from that tournament still mad at me it is an annoying

thing i don't think people truly understand it's like whatever it's bad yeah it really gets bad because i'll go to do the fights. Right. And preparation is good, but it's like at times you're like, you want to have that one thing. The other guy doesn't have. So you say it and you sound like you're more prepared or you're more smart.

Like everything's a competition. It sucks. Like I can't, I can't even let my son beat me in basketball. We're outside in the driveway. My wife's like, why are you doing that to him? I'm like, he needs to learn that nothing's ever going to be easy.

And also he needs to learn that his dad is probably just going to beat the hell out of him. We got 20 seconds until this radio break. Go ahead. Was there ever a thought of you and Stipe fighting on the island? Were they trying to push you guys to get there or was that was that never in the in the cards you know part of it is american american fighters are fighting in the in in vegas right the foreign fighters are fighting on the island for the most part because they can't get into the united states right now did you you said you've known about this fight with stipe since jacksonville and so yeah so you knew before

obviously i knew we knew before uh um the general public right like so i knew that they were going to target august 1st that was supposed to be the original date but because in um in ohio they they weren't open the gyms weren't open they had to move to fight a couple weeks for Stipe once everything kind of opened to give him enough time to prepare. He's a heavyweight champion in the world. You know, he deserves that. So, yeah, but I knew since before Jacksonville that August 1st was going to be the target date. Thank you so much for taking time with us here.

Only a couple more questions, if you don't mind. No problem. Conor McGregor. That name is a name that has become synonymous with ufc synonymous with the fight game i mean he what he was able to do and build in such a short time is nothing short of remarkable now for the third time in whatever four years he is retired and i talked to ariel hawani uh co-host of yours on dc and ariel um i talked to him and he said it's's not retire. It's more so frustration

that the UFC won't give him a fight because he wants to fight more and more and more. How do you view that entire situation with Conor McGregor? And do you think we see him back in the octagon sooner than later? I think we'll see him back in the octagon, especially after Dustin Poirier looked so good last weekend. That's a fight that he would do, you know, because he understands that he beat Dustin before. Dustin has all this hype now. I think he'd be interested. But, you know, I did my show and I spoke about that. I'm like, just let Conor fight. But then I talked to Dana that day. He called me and he goes, it's not about, he goes, do you think I don't want to do a Conor McGregor fight? He goes, that's crazy. We all want to do a Conor McGregor fight. But Conor McGregor fighting without fans, you lose between $10 and $18 million at the gate.

That's how big he is. And I was trying to explain that at our fights, right? You're on the concourse, and there's a t-shirt stand here. At the WWE, you see it. There's one at every corner of the concourse. Oh, yeah. Conor's fights, there's one every 30 feet. There's a t-shirt stand 30 feet there's a there's

a t-shirt stand and there's an merchandising stand and there's merchandising stands outside and the tickets that cost a thousand dollars or 1200 bucks in vegas to watch me and jones fight cost 2700 to watch conor mcgregor fight at the ringside you know so it's like he's just so big that you want him to fight in front of fans but if he does fight in front of no fans it'll do gangbusters on pay-per-view but the reality is he wants the fights that he wants and then it doesn't really work that's i think that's what dane explained to me at that happened well it makes a lot of sense it makes a lot of sense it makes sense right but he told connor listen habib and tony

are scheduled to fight you can be the guy if anybody gets hurt you'll step in connor said i'm no replacement right i want to be the guy it's my fight or you know and it doesn't work like that so justin gaethje took the deal that connor didn't gaethje ends up beating ferguson now he's fighting habib instead of McGregor. How do you feel about McGregor going against the wrestling types? Because you're a wrestling type, and that seems to be a great equalizer. I think that he didn't just, you know, Pat, I don't want to make it to where he just struggled against a wrestler.

He struggled against the absolute best guy at doing what he does, Habib Nurmagomedov, right? Like it's not like he just took on some average wrestler habib is the best at implementing that game plan taking you down and just essentially smashing you to the point that event that you know eventually you get submitted or you just get worn out so i think connor has better takedown defense than people want to give him credit for he just did it it. He just lost to the absolute best in the game. I mean, Habib's 29-0.

I mean, who gets to 29-0 in MMA? There's a hiccup every now and again. Habib hasn't had no hiccup. You're going to get got. Do you think there's ever going to be a time where somebody like Conor or I thought Jon Jones maybe five, ten years ago could have done this, where it's the Floyd Mayweather thing, where you create your own world. It's the only competition.

In boxing, I guess it happens a lot with Golden Boy and Floyd and blah, blah, blah. But I thought like five, ten years ago, before all the out-of-the-cage stuff happened with Jon Jones, I thought Jon Jones was one of the only guys that could have been able to sell out an arena, sell a fight by himself. Conor McGregor's proved that he could do that. Do you think that will ever happen? Do you thinkana will be able to get these deals done with everybody kind of stay in under the ufc umbrella well i think these guys are all under contract too right

like you know you know contracts are you know you're not going to just get out of a contract to go fight somewhere else because even if you do go in box don't think the ufc won't have their hand in that money you know because you're under contract with the organization. I believe that I believe that Jones will eventually get his situation worked out because they'll come to a number that is massive. Right. He said he makes five million a fight right now. So he's not getting making no money. So what if it ends up at seven million and then he's happy? I think Jones and them will come to an agreement. I think eventually everybody else will be okay. I think they'll all get a little push. But I think it'll work out.

And I just don't know if it can work just on your own. Because you got to remember, Pat, when the days of Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz and those guys were over, everybody said, oh, UFC's done. And then here came Jon Jones and those guys were over everybody said oh UFC's done and then here came John Jones and those guys right and Ronda Rousey it was like oh Ronda Rousey's done it's over now well here comes Conor McGregor right and here comes Habib Nurmagomedov and and all these you know it just it just continues to replenish itself because now the UFC's so big and it's the machine never will stop rolling so um it's just some, even when Jones was out with all this stuff, right. I was the champion,

the champion and I can go anywhere in the world and represent the UFC in a way that people aren't going, well, what happened to the other guy? You know, it's always, it's always an, another person that's going to step up in the UFC so big now that it just survives and it's going to survive. Well, you've been a great champion for him a great voice for him a great representative for them and i can't wait to watch your fight on august 15th the last one the swan song let's go get a win dc yeah let's go do it man of course

it has to be a victory i'm gonna leave that octagon with my hand raised i don't care what it takes wait now you'll get a belt right yeah obviously i will get a belt i'll get another belt did you see my you want to see my belt case oh yeah let's go dc i need one because you know i got all the i got the old ones yeah i just the only one i need now is the new one here oh wow what are those from uh from bottom to top there these one two ufc ufc usc usc usc all ufc and then my strike force heavyweight grand prix championship but these are my these are my titles and title defenses so back in the ufc when it when in the time before it was like if you won a belt you got to keep the belt and then uh i won i won the light heavyweight title and defended it four times i think so that's five then i won the heavyweight championship defended it and that's

seven and then i was the double champion for a fight so they ended up giving me an extra belt so yeah what happened what happened with the light heavyweight you just didn't want to compete at light heavyweight anymore is that what i didn't want to go i didn't want to well i had back surgery right and then i was like man i don't want to go back down to light heavyweight it's cutting a lot of weight i was i was just out of surgery when jones and those guys were scheduled to fight for the belt so i was like you know what i'm just gonna give it up and just stay the heavyweight champ you know not cut the weight anymore it's easy to give one up when you got two of them let's talk about your. Now you are working with a company that

we do close work with, which is CBDMD. I utilize, I utilize the CBD PM every single night. It's the greatest droplet thing of all time. When did your relationship start with them? And how has that whole thing gone? You know, man, CBDMD has been a great part of my, my, uh, the later part of my career because I needed things to help with the inflammation and the pain and, uh, just Hans Molenkamp. You know, I've known Hans for a while, uh, through my relationship with monster energy. And, and, and when the CBDMD company started to make moves in the mixed martial arts, he thought that we would be a match made in heaven. And we have been, you know, it's, it's a great company. I use the droplets.

But I'm more about the CBDM defreeze, man. I just sit there and I'm just rubbing it all over my legs, my back. I've taken a really strong approach to recovery in this fight. So outside of the hyperbarics and the massage, like when my massage therapist comes and they stretch me, they put the CBDM cream all over my back and all over my wrist or everywhere you're gonna be you're gonna be the best fighter you've ever been at 41 that's unbelievable i've never done so much in terms of trying to prepare myself fully like i've never done

as much in this regard with with recovery with the training with the focus with everything it's been amazing nutrition as well i'd assume as being atlanta yeah my my my nutritionist came back with me from vegas after the last fight i called so i'll be doing my my my chef has been here for he'll be here for 12 weeks by the time i get to the office oh are you gonna have a six pack are you gonna have a six pack no i'll never have a six pack me neither i wrestled 185 pounds in college and i still didn't have a six pack there's just something in my genetics. What are you at now? 240, like 240.

What's weigh-in day? What do you got to get to? I don't have to weigh in anything, but, you know, it's just under 265. So last fight I weighed 235 or 236. I mean, I figure I'll be within that range this time. Good for you. Ladies and gentlemen, by the way, this is a golf championship golf championship i see that and i'm trying to take that too i was like man i want that all i wanted it's like in my life now is to get that belt off pat i'll tell you what i think we both have that

competitive trait and if we get on a golf course at this point i think you have next to no chance but whenever no chance at all when at all. When you're done fighting though, and you got a little bit more time, and you pick up the stick and the little round ball, I assume you will beat my ass on the golf course. I'm going to hire a golf pro to teach me. We go all in around here.

We don't just do things for fun. We go all in. Well, I can't wait to watch you go all in on August 15th, your final fight against Stay for the heavyweight championship of the world ladies and gentlemen daniel cormier thank you guys for having me i appreciate it no you're all great day boys you're awesome thank you so much good luck with your 14 training sessions today. Cheers, man. Hello, and welcome to McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. Yeah!

I am Pat McAfee. Sitting to my left in front of a fake bookcase is AJ Hawk. What's up, Pat? You feeling good? How did your morning show go? I know yesterday it was a bit of like a therapy session. We got to get some negativity out. Well, yeah.

I hate those a lot of, not all, but some you know journalists that think they run in their time is tick talking away quickly very very quickly so i'm happy we got to talk about that but this morning we had a therapy session with uh chris herron chris herron you know who chris herron is the basketball player oh legend dude wild conversation today with him he's cool he by the way i'm gonna go play him in tennis at one of his wellness things he said he's a gorilla on the court is what he said exact words a gorilla on the court that's an insane story and i want i want to get your opinion on this he was taking 1600 milligrams of oxycontin a day with the standard i guess is like 20 milligrams

is normally what you get uh offered or whatever he was playing basketball in elite level so much so he got drafted 33 while doing this uh overall played for the nuggets played for the celtics he was picking up drugs outside of games 10 minutes before they start because he couldn't play unless he was on oxycontin or whatever with his warm-ups on that was my favorite part of the one or whatever. With his warm-ups on. That was my favorite part of the one thing I saw, with his warm-ups on. Yes, outside the TD Garden with his warm-ups on, 10 minutes before the game starts. So his coach doesn't even care.

Like, go do what you got to do outside. Yeah, we get it. He goes and does that. He starts that game. He might be the greatest athlete of all time. Just think about what was going on in between his years. Which is, this is, by the way, where everything lies for a professional athlete,

is in between years. A lot of people have the body, the capability. They just can't get it right in between his which is this is by the way where everything lies for a professional athlete is in between years a lot of people have the body the capability they just can't get it right in between here he was battling against 1600 milligrams of oxycodone at least a day while playing in the nba might be the greatest athlete of all time like i don't know how you would ever do that i have no idea how that happens uh but boy what a remarkable story about getting sober getting clean he's coming up on 12 years sober. He's taking care of the community. I mean, I love the conversation with Chris a lot. I think he's awesome.

From what I've seen and watched, I think there was a 30 for 30 on him. Unguarded, yeah. Yeah, it made a lot of people aware of his story, which is so crazy to think about. What if he was living in the age of social media and he's standing outside in his Celtics warm-ups, his full uniform trying to get some pills from a dude like i think they might have some of that some footage of that if it was imagine me walking up to that imagine me with my phone go this right here is chris harron no one probably believed him that's the thing like

who look at this guy's a die-hard fan he got really he got the authentic warm-up somehow i gotta find out where he did this i told him that the amount of people that make it to the nba that play basketball is minuscule the amount of people that make it out of the addiction that he had to opioids and heroin and everything else cocaine at one point is minuscule as well he's accomplished two things that next to nobody ever accomplishes both in the same life and now he's 12 years sober uh his kid is now playing basketball in college at san diego i mean it's just like what a life for that guy that guy has lived 10 lives in one life he was in the nba and he said he doesn't really think about it anymore he's just happy to be where he's at and sobriety

has given him more than anything but it was a cool convo that was a that was a really cool much different conversation in this show than my show normally has much different i mean at the end there's a little talk but very very much different i believe well do you think he had that same issue like like you said he's he's copping pills 10 minutes before a game in his warm-ups does he it was such a crutch for him that he felt like he needed it i mean i'm sure he thought he needed it he said he needed it what him that he felt like he needed it. I mean, I'm sure he felt like he needed it at all times. He said he needed it. What's that? He said he didn't think he, because I asked him, I was like, was there ever a time where maybe like sobriety hit you?

Because I had a moment where I took mushrooms actually. It was in college. I had a real moment of, I don't want to say clarity, but I was like, listen, I'm going to stop fucking around. I'm going to make it to the NFL. It was after my junior year. I had missed those kicks. I had 27 death threats.

My roommates and I were, you know, my roommates were like the people that really helped me survive through that entire thing because I was going to try to, I don't know if I was going to kill myself, but I was going to disappear. Like I was, I got in my car and I drove to Maryland the next day, went over to snowshoe and I was just going to keep on, I was going to go like, just, I was just going to disappear. I had some money loans out. I was money loans out i was like i'm i've let down so many people i don't want to do it so i come back to get some clothes and read the guy that was with us this weekend redheaded guy i don't want to say he like slapped me but he like gave me like this conversation was like yo you don't think we had to lead at halftime you don't think i missed i got a penalty to be right for it like all this plays into it

don't let all these outsiders kind of like bring you down or whatever. And I was like, I needed that. Like I actually needed that in my life. And then my roommates and I almost got tighter throughout that whole process. You know, a lot of players on the team and we got real tight. And then that spring after Rich left, Coach Stu was in there. And Coach Stu amped up the drug testing policy. Okay.

So it was, we used to be able to just take visine bottle inside the tights we get in there no big deal pull the visine sleep with it in between your legs so it gets your body temperature pull it out dump it into a cup boom shut it here to the person you're off running coach stew because he was so tight to all the players he knew that's what we were doing right so he coach knew that was our move. Wait, would you put clean piss in the Visine bottle? Yeah. Was it enough? You find, like, the Mormon or the super good person on the team.

There was a couple that we could go to and said, hey, need this. Like, you're not pregnant, right? No, obviously, can't have that happen. But just pee in this thing. And then you put the Visine bottle, you put it down in your tights, in between your thighs, and then you would just sleep sleep there you'd sleep with it so it gets your body temperature and then whenever they ask you to go in there it'd be at your back right they'd be standing behind you you'd go in there you'd pull it out you'd tighten it and go here you go thank

you so much they test it for warmth to see if it's passes or not you're good you're off and running so coach stew was like our guy right so coach stew knew that about all of us like he he had overheard us talking and telling these stories your head coach knew this well he was the tight ends and special teams coach before he was the head coach right so he was like he was cool with all of us so then he becomes a head coach after richard goes to michigan after the that game against pit and all that stuff and then coach do the interim head coach, wins a Fiesta Bowl, then that spring he becomes our head coach.

And he gave us one of the first meetings. He let everybody know, hey, there's a little bit different policy now when it comes to the drug testing, by the way, because there were some people on the team that I think stood in one-on-team anymore. They were on scholarship. And an easy way to get people obviously off scholarship

is they fail a test or do something like that. And there were some guys, I think that rich rod that bill thought rich rod was just keeping around, should not be keeping around. So that first drug test he gave, I think they tested 12 people and I think 12 failed, right? So all 12 failed and they were cut. So like that next morning, our conversation was like, Hey, Bill Stewart was not fucking around when he was talking about one guy did the trick they said uh the pea's not warm enough gonna need it again goes back upstairs gets some more puts it in the microwave even goes in there they're like ah sorry not warm enough gonna have to do it again like they the the testers were told the game by coach stew right like they were like no not good enough gonna have to do it so change everything so we

obviously try to get around that somehow and we found mushrooms okay so mushrooms if unless coach stew was going to do a spinal tap was not going to find out about mushrooms right and at that point i decided i was not going to drink anymore so really like my only thing here was either i spice wasn't even around then or do mushrooms and i enjoyed them but i had a one night, I remember it vividly, my roommates and I. Because we were at a tighter spot than we had ever been after that moment where people were, I mean, legitimately telling me they were going to kill me and my family. It was rough for me. I never felt that way. Normally people like me.

So whenever that was happening, it was a whole new thing. Needed it to happen to become the person I am. But it was rough. I'll never forget in the kitchen, it was like the end of the night, we were winding down from the trip and I had like an epiphany moment where I was like, you know what, I'm gonna stop fucking around.

I'm gonna actually focus on, like I'm gonna focus on being a good ball kicker. Like that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna, instead of just the $40,000 in party loans and the penny pitchers and the drink till you drown Thursday, which I've gotten by with here the last three years. And I'm going to, I'm going to put this away. And it was like a real moment of clarity for me.

And I did that, right? Like I did that. Everything that- Were you on mushrooms when this epiphany happened? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was, so the next morning when, when we woke up, I like probably went to sleep like probably four or 5am that morning, whenever we did it, I wake up around 11 or noon and I legitimately felt like a whole new person.

Like I felt like a whole new person. I was like a little bit more driven and I don't know why. Maybe it was just like I finally made the decision to do so. But then you could see everything for me just kind of turn up. Like I got a lot better, right? I still miss kicks or whatever, but everything just got a lot better because I made that decision like, okay, I'm going to stop with the bullshit. I'm going to actually focus here on trying to make a living. And then I even comedy and like all that stuff was talked about in that kitchen whenever we were having a good time coming off the end of a mushroom trip. And I asked Chris Herron, I was like, was there ever a moment where you were like, you know what? If I didn't do all this, I'd be the greatest basketball player on earth.

Like if I, like, did you ever have that thought? And he was like, no, his thought was that he needed it to play like that was his and for me that was a eye-opener I was like so you viewed it almost as like I don't want to say like a PED but instead of something that would distract you from being your best he viewed it as something he needed which is just insanity because I think like a lot of other people who have seen him now he looks damn good by the way he looks like an actor he's handsome he's i would have liked to see him play clear headed ready to go and he said that that thought never even crossed his mind and that was wild to me that was fucking wild to me yeah well for some people though i think i mean there's healthy

distractions and there's unhealthy distractions like if he's sitting there worrying about where he's going to get his next batch of pills from and whatever and he's always worried about where that's coming from he doesn't have time to worry about and have the anxiety about basketball and all the pressure being placed on him from the outside so maybe it was a little bit of a distraction how long did he play in the nba uh two seasons yeah two years two years he got hurt and then he ended up playing overseas but his rookie year with denver he said he played his best because the ogs of that team and he listed off a bunch of them they like they knew he had obviously addiction they like took care of him he said he said i was the 12th man on the bench and they took care of me he said that

was the best year of my life or whatever and then when he gets traded back to boston that's i mean it's an hour away from everybody he knows going home man it's like uh hernandez they said going to the patriots was the worst thing that could happen to him. He's right in there with all of his old crew. I was very thankful I did not end up at the Steelers because, boy, if I was a Pittsburgh Steeler those first couple years, it would have been my fault. It would have been my fault for sure.

Well, didn't Jeff Reed try to make up for that a little bit? He had a few incidents. Skippy Reed. Oh, Skippy. Skippy beat the hell for that a little bit? He had a few incidents. Skippy Reed. Oh, Skippy. Skippy beat the hell out of a paper towel dispenser in a town that was like 30 minutes north of us. What happened? Do you know what happened with that story? Why did he take it out on the paper towel dispenser?

You've been there. You've been there, okay? You've been there. You washed your hands. I don't think I... I can't say that I have that. Maybe you pee on yourself. Something happens when you're incredibly inebriated

and you go to the paper towel dispenser and you reach up in there and maybe there's only one in there and you pull it out oh man have you ever been that mad before no and skippy reed said listen i ain't happy about this he started pounding that thing and it's a tiny town where he was doing this at i mean it is a tiny town. And we just so happen to have a high school teacher that was from there, Mr. Jasper. And the next day or whatever it happens, he comes in. He was like, that was a good paper towel dispenser too, man. That one was always stocked. I don't know what happened.

Was it the automatic one? The automatic ones I get mad at because you wave your hand and it never comes out. I feel like David Blaine sometimes with those fucking things. Like you put your hand under there, there's no water, and then somebody else pops up and there's water. It's like, well, did I just do a magic trick or is this thing completely fucking me over? I would like to know.

You know the ones I like is the sensor that's on the side, so then you can just get your back hand off. Like I'll just touch the thing with the back of the hand. Those ones underneath where you have to kind of like guess where they're at, that's a problem. In the soap ones, you're either giving me way too much or not enough and i need to be able to decide how much i would like i mean great need a full squirt at least i do like the toilets that just flush by themselves yeah those are great toto need to have those though good

touch need to have those yeah have you ever used a squatty potty the thing you lift your legs up when you take shit uh you know what i think i did have one for a little bit i don't get it i don't my knee well you know my right knee i tore my pcl there's no cartilage it doesn't bend like that so it wasn't it wasn't my thing i know howard stern always talked about really i didn't know that he talked about a lot of other stuff too how's he doing with that has he come through the other side i think so. He's Howard Stern. I don't know. We're going to find out in a year.

I have no idea. His stuff does not age well. Not many people do. I wasn't a big Howard Stern fan. I've seen his movie, obviously, Private Parts, because I was a kid. Whenever that all came out, it was the right thing to do. I saw his show on E! there for a little bit, but I wasn't a diehard loyal listener. But I understood that Howard stern was an animal like i understood howard stern has a following serious hedged their

entire company on howard stern like literally their entire company hedged on there and i i've gotten some clips and stuff like that but i wasn't into it back in the day and then as i've gotten older listening to him interview people is next level it's like watching Bob Ross paint you know it's like I enjoy that a lot but boy some of those old bits I'll tell you what that will they do not hold up they do not not hold up but it's Howard Stern I guess oh yeah he's like 70 almost he's isn't his contract up soon he's trying to make a decision whether he's gonna come back he only works a couple days a week anyway doesn't he i don't know yep tuesday thursday it's over a thursday so if his contract's up that means there's what seven billion dollars opening up at serious just about i think that's right yeah how much he made i think he got signed for 10 billion dollars whenever he got signed to

see that deal he that first deal he signed with serious i'll never forget being like what a a legend just talking into a microphone he's talking to a microphone now you got barstool getting 460 million or whatever it is valuation you got the ringer getting 200 million from spotify you got rogan getting i know the exact numbers i don't think anybody else does but north of what everybody said he was going to get paid per year basically and then now they i mean it's it's a whole new game hey how long is rogan it's a multi-year licensing deal with spotify do you know how many years i think it is four i don't know the year i just know the

monetary can he do youtube anymore no clips though i think you can put clips up can't put the full show full show has to live on spotify's thing i think you can put clips up can't put the full show full show has to live on spotify's thing i think you can put clips up to promote it still i'm not sure how that works but i did hear the number per year and i'll tell you what joe rogan's doing pretty pretty and he can still sell he can still sell all his own ads what yeah he's just they're just licensing the show i mean it's just Rogan is right here, Bob. Rogan is the blueprint. Rogan is the model.

And there's some stuff coming up about Rogan back in day two now. Yeah, every single company actually did. Oh, yeah, they're going back and attacking what Joey Diaz, when he was on his show. I mean, Joey Diaz has said so many crazy things, but I guess Rogan was laughing at it. Yeah, they come after everybody. I mean, I get it.

See, I just got body shamed by Mitchell Berger on YouTube comments. Oh, come on, Mitch. things but i guess rogan was laughing at it yeah they come after everybody i mean i get it see i just got body shamed by mitchell burger on youtube comments if he needs to get that weight down what are you talking about this is literally the best i've looked in probably five years at this point i gotta sit down in a terrible chair every day all right and i'm built like a barrel so i got people coming hey mitchell i don't need you body shaming me okay now, now, first of all, I got body shamed so hard in the comment section that I committed to a diet. So I do need that, I guess, a little bit. But right now, Mitchell, I don't need your bullshit.

Okay? Just because that guy is a former middle linebacker and I potentially look bigger than he does, I don't need you coming after me. Okay? I don't need you coming. He said beefy, though. Beefy to me is a compliment.

Like, oh, yeah, I feel good. I'm jacked. No, that's not how he meant it. Because then he said, I need to get the weight done. That's what he said. So he actually called me fat in the second follow-up sentence that I didn't want to say because it kind of hurts my ears. Is that former punter Mitch Berger?

No, but if it was Mitch Berger, I think he got popped for some roids at one point. Mitch Berger. Mitchie. Todd Sirebrun, too. Sorry, Mitch. We're not using. It's not him, but his name sounds similar to that. Those old punters that got popped for stuff.

Wait, what'd they get popped for? I think Sauerbrunn got like a steroid pop. Sauerbrunn definitely got one. Can you Google if Mitch Berger got one? His Wikipedia does not indicate that he was popped. Oh, maybe Mitch Berger didn't then. Maybe I thought he was because he was so good. How much does that add for a punter?

I have no idea. Couldn't even guess. It's an explosion exercise, though. Kicking is an explosive exercise, so I would assume if you get more explosive, it's going to help out. Five, ten yards. Do you think it does a lot mentally for those guys? Major League pitchers, some of them back in the day,

they may not have looked like they were in the greatest shape ever, but I know the guys that were juicing, they loved to try to get their legs really big so they can push off and throw harder but i think mentally too it made them feel like they were like like they were superman like okay this is this is my thing i don't i don't i've never dabbled in the steroids department so i'm not 100 sure how it works like in the the muscle explosion build thing but i would assume the placebo effect is a real one in that world as well like the placebo effect is that your brain thinks that it took a pill to do something so your brain is automatically acting as if it was taken care of and you feel better and blah blah

blah right that's a placebo effect i would assume with some of these guys who take shit that the placebo effect is real as well like oh i took this so that means i'm stronger than i was yesterday i'm this way when i don't know if it's accurate or not i would i would assume that you're right hey but if you think it's working then it's working it's that's all you need really that's right unless it's well unless you have terminal cancer or something maybe jesus how about steve jobs refusing to use any of the modern medicine doing a carrot juice and celery trying to survive. Didn't work. He tried, though.

I mean, hey. But how many people have you heard, though? I'm sure you've had multiple people tell you, hey, I knew old Sally. She was stage seven pancreatic cancer. She juiced carrots for six months straight. Her skin turned actually a hint of orange, and now she beat the cancer. Well, I've never heard that story.

I honestly have heard multiple stories like that ohio is awesome still is always will be i mean that is a factual statement there but my great aunt uh genie she was diagnosed with i forget which cancer it was but she took an experimental drug and it prolonged her life like an extra two years or whatever so a lot of people on that like that's huge because all these you know how hard it is to bring a drug to market in billions of dollars. So there's all these experimental ones where you sign off. If you have cancer or something, you can take them. We do a lot of stuff with the James Cancer Hospital here in Columbus.

There's so many people that get on those experimentals that they don't 100% know if they're safe or they're going to work. But they work for people. It's good. At the beginning of this whole quarantine, wasn't there some some being talked about how those are going to get expedited through brems viridal or whatever yeah they are he's talking about it and now what it's come out that it doesn't really do what it says i don't know what you're talking about what did you say i don't know early on and everything there was something that people were getting mad at trump because he was mentioning this oh the hydroxychlorication that works for something

else but maybe it helps with covid and then there's all this talk. What was it? Honestly, our only hope right now, I feel like, for sports and for everything, with COVID, is to come up with one of these viral medications that actually work. Has to. College football, I don't know if you and I have talked about this yet, other than just my show. I am starting to get a little gloom and doom mindset for college football.

And if you do recall, Kirk Herbstreit, three months ago, when this whole thing was starting, came out and he said that he has no idea how college football comes back. And everybody was like, Kirk, stop being a negative fucking asshole. We were too, by the way. We were like, hey, Kirk, we don't need that right now. Okay, Kirk, just keep that. And Kirk's like, the more and more I read about I'm just like I hope I hope it can come back

but I don't see how I think the NFL will come back college football though with the students and the university and the amount of people that gather from all over the place and how I just don't know I don't know how college football is going to work and I hope it does I've loved I love college football more last year than I ever have in my entire life because it was the first time i really watched college football for my entire life i enjoyed the hell out of it but it feels as if they got a long stretch ahead agent here's a question for you boomer siason said this this morning he gave an interesting uh quote that he knew he was going to get shit for so he actually led off with saying i not in these exact words it basically said yeah i think i think i'm going to catch a lot of fucking hell for this.

But with all these guys that are getting COVID-19 on these college university teams, and now you're seeing the NBA guys come out and they're testing positive for COVID-19. I think them testing positive for it now, and this is going to sound bad, just like boomer size and basically i think it's better that they test positive for it now so they can lock down so that in a month from now whenever season's supposed to start they've already been through it right i don't know if that's what boomer size i'm saying i just read the headline but for me like these nba guys are all 18 guys over 300 guys have been tested 18 guys have tested positive for the coronavirus i think that's because the nba is probably testing every single person in the NBA right now so that they have enough time to be locked down for 14 days so then they can enter the bubble,

which is supposed to be a COVID-19 free zone. I think we're going to learn more and more people have it now so that they can get that 14-day quarantine. Oh, geez, watch it, buddy. Watch it. 14-day quarantine out of the way before everything starts. Am I wrong in thinking that, you think? No, I don't think you're wrong. I mean, that's what the rumors, like the people are alleging

right now, what Clemson had 27 players test positive or something on their football team. So people are saying, oh yeah, of course, Nick Saban, all these guys, they want, I mean, you shouldn't say you want them to get COVID, but if they do now and they recover, then you don't have to worry about it during the season, do you? I mean, we don't know right now if you can come back and get it again is that a guarantee that if you once you have it it's like it's like chicken pox nobody knows and there's also people i think that have taken the test like two weeks later and they still test positive for it and then there's also false positives happening when people don't actually have it then there's asymptomatic that we don't know

fucking shit about this thing i mean we're what 90 some days into this thing we don't we still don't know anything about it i i'm starting to worry about college football as well i was talking to a guy this morning and he's like what do you think man i was like what i just don't know anything about. I'm starting to worry about college football as well. I was talking to a guy this morning, and he was like, what do you think, man? And I was like, what? I just don't see college football happening, do you? And I started thinking and talking, and as I'm talking out loud, thinking out loud with the dude, I'm like, damn, I don't know.

I'm starting to worry myself. It's June 30th right now. The first game's scheduled for August 20th. I don't get it. I don't know. I hope there's some kind of breakthrough over the next two three weeks colleges have a hundred and some players on each team plus big schools obviously not small schools we're talking about bigger schools hundreds of oh no no flamethrower today where's the fire where's the fire we want fire if this runs out i'll have to

We want fire. If this runs out, I'll have to. Hey, big hit on the internet last night. You using a flamethrower. See, that one that I ended up using, which I didn't know was a flamethrower, it's kind of dangerous because before the flame comes out, I think it was in your fucking ceiling. Well, before the flame comes out, when you press it, it just shoots butane out for a while.

And then that's when I'm like, oh, I'm squirting butane on my monitor and all over the carpet i'm like all right i gotta figure this one out well that's why whenever you start a fire you don't start spraying on the lighter fluid until after the fire's already started and you hang on to that thing just like what you're doing with your lighter that's that's the right move happens the best of us age that's right how about when that fire climbs right back up into the bottle yeah it's a moment that's's a problem. I was burning my house down a few weeks ago. How do people spit fire and it doesn't come back into their mouth? Oh, 151, you got to have a good poof on it.

You got to get that thing. You got to have a good separation between the last bit of Bacardi 151 and your lips. Believe it or not, I know it's going to be hard to believe, I have done that before. You got to breathe out your nose. Was this right after you ran

and ran up the wall and did a backflip that's july 18th by the way i still have a clock on it what is i i have to do a standing backflip and a backflip off the wall i think july 18th because on june 18th i've said one month from now i'll be able to do it again can't wait halfway there the wall thing might be tough but i'm getting to the weight where the standing backflip should be no problem the wall backflip is going to take a lot of commitment a lot a lot of trust in myself and the wall but i've been watching these little fucking parkour homies on the internet i think i got it figured out there we go hey what's going on so what deandre jordan he tests positive for covid and now he just he's out for the he's saying he's out for the season right he's on the Nets right yep I would assume that Nets players are even higher in the chances of

backing out due to Kyrie Irving being very against it Kevin Durant being very against it and I would assume that their team not really standing that much of a chance in the east that they're also going to get out of it let alone the social unrest and all that stuff. But if you test positive, Adam Silver said that we will hold nobody in bad light if they choose not to go. I think some guys will get tested positive, like DeAndre Jordan said, no, I'm not going to do it. I already tested positive, even though it's supposed to be out of you in 14 days. And we don't know if you get it. There's no antibodies. But I think there's certain teams that are potentially looking to get out of this however they can, if we just want to call it how it is um but i think there's

a lot of guys that are going to get tested positive for it going to lockdown and then send their asses into the biodome down there in orlando i think it's kind of a mixed i think it's a mixed bag here of what's going to happen i want to see what happens with other athletes i saw ryan zimmerman for the nationals is sitting out this year he said said he has three young kids, a newborn, and his mom has multiple sclerosis or whatever, so she is at high risk, and he's just going to sit the season out. He just announced that, I guess. He's just sitting out the entire thing? Yeah, he said he can't play.

He has too many for family reasons. He just has too many things against it, and he can't do it. He said, I'm not retiring. Definitely not retiring. I guess he's on a one-year deal, making like two mil. So I don't know what his plan is. So maybe he wants to go play for somebody else once this all clears up. That's insane.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that was happening in baseball. Yeah, a couple guys have come out and said that they're not going to play for whatever reason. That guy from that one team that has two ACLs, he's going to be up for his contract, Bertans. That's an interesting decision. And I had a reaction that probably his contract, Bertans. That's an interesting decision.

And I had a reaction that probably didn't make Bertans happy. But allegedly, Bertans, now granted, there's a lot of other things that could potentially fall into it. But the way the story was being shaped when it first was announced. So when the story was first shaped, it was that Bertans was sitting out because he's already had two ACLs, surgeries. He is up for free agent after this year for the first time. So he is choosing not to go play in Orlando because of that. Now, that makes me think, if I'm a team, that this guy, because of his two ACLs, is scared to play eight games in Orlando.

Why would I give this guy $200 million? That's like my first, and he's an assassin, I guess, as a three-point. He's a sniper of a shooter. But in my eyes, I'm like, hey, this guy doesn't want to play eight games because of his chance of his knees. What would I want to give him a hundred some million dollars for? But then as I got educated and started looking like during quarantine, how much has this guy been working? What if you have an it band? It's just a little bit tighter for some reason.

Like I could see why people in that situation would sit out. But my initial knee jerk reaction is, well, I'm not going to fucking pay that guy. Then if he doesn't even want to play eight games, I'm not going to like, what am I going to pay him to play? What?

82 games or whatever it is. This guy doesn't even want to play eight games. then there's also that business side to you i think about zimmerman i assume not only his family but there's a business side to it there's a lot of business to these decisions being made too that i think i have to be a lot more understanding of whenever i first hear come on i got a sports show i gotta talk here to get your fucking ass back out i also have to do the old like okay there's business there's health there's life there's the world that we're in i mean there's a lot to happen here and i'd assume each individual case is just that it's a known individual case well don't you think this bertans character is looking at it like hey why would i go it's basically like pre-season why am i gonna go

risk my future playing eight pre-season games well it's post-season it's not i know but does it do those games mean much for him i gotta be more understanding they're probably not gonna win it all anyway so it doesn't really matter and i guess he had an incredible year up into the quarantine break so his stock is at its absolute highest it could be right now so in a business sense the only thing his stock could do is potentially go down in these eight games and his team i don't think it's gonna make a run no it's the wizards they're like what five and a half out yep so that is a very difficult decision in a place to be in but it's the same thing as like senior quarterbacks or bowl games if they're going to get drafted and i have always said i've never been in a position to be a starting

quarterback ever in my life should have been maybe a one game or two after watching the outcome but there i've never been in this position to either get $100 million. I'm always like, hey, let's play with your team guy. Like, I'm always like, hey, let's do this, let's do it. But if you're a guy who had the best year of your life going into a contract year, and now there's eight games in Orlando in a biodome that you might feel not as prepared for, I could see why you wouldn't want to do it.

But boy, for me, it's like eight more games. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go put up 30 in those eight games. They're going to pay me $400 million. That is my I thought, and that is why I'm an idiot. So I understand why Bertans potentially thinks the other way. What's up, Diggs? I was going to say, so they would probably have to go 8-0 to get in,

and then he has made $15 million in his career and it's projected that he's going to make $15 million to $18 million a year on his new contract. Oh, yeah. They would really have to go 8-0 just to have a chance? They're 5.5 out. Unless the Nets lost every game. I get it then. I get it.

I think it's still a tough decision. I don't think you're dumb for having that opinion on that, Pat. I'm with you. I would want to play too. But if you sit there and look at it in the grand scheme of his career and how much money he's made compared to the ability he has to make more down the line, I guess it's not worth it for him. They are plus 750 to be into the playoffs, to get into the playoffs. Those are good bet then, right?

No. Not without John Wall. No, not without John Wall and their snipers not playing. I think you put that thing up at plus 75,000. So we don't have a guy that can shoot or dribble on the fucking team? It's going to be tough in basketball. They have the worst odds of anyone in the bubble of winning the entire thing. So I guess I get why Bertans isn't going.

I guess. But it goes against everything that I – You get both sides. I mean, I get your side. No, I understand both sides. But how I sit on the thing is like. Do you think there's any chance that like even a DeAndre Jordan, probably not Pertans, but they'll be like, you know what?

I said I wasn't going to play. You know, it's July 10th. They need me. I'm going. Oh, no, no. What happens if a week into the thing? What if it's a week into the thing? And a lot of the players are hearing from other players what it's like down there.

Like, hey, not too bad. They're seeing like the press conferences so the social unrest and social injustices are being spotlighted they say they're putting black lives matter on inside of each pain on each side what happens if a week into that thing some players who said no before whatever reason their questions their questions get answered in a positive way by the players that are down there and they decide to go join the team. Can they do that? What, do you have to just get tested on a weigh-in? Or are the rosters set whenever they go down there? I bet there's a date when the rosters are final and set.

But how does that work? Say you have three guys go down, you're going to have to bring other players in. Do you have guys like alternates that are sitting in a little secondary bubble somewhere quarantining before? I doubt you can just go back and take one test and join the team. I'm sure if you go, there's a mandatory 10 or 14 days you've got to hang out before they let you play. Consider this my tryout. Edit that out.

NBA said they're not testing. You're good. You don't have to worry about that. What? Oh! What a swish. Are you kidding me with that? You don't have to worry about that. What? Oh! What? I am Swish. Are you kidding me with that?

Hello, Professor Meets Allen Iverson. The professor's still doing it. I saw some clips of him going to some prisons and playing guys in one-on-one games. You ever see a Spider-Man? He dressed up in full Spider-Man outfit and just showed up like Billy Ho at these outdoor courts and just dominated everybody. How does he make money? Does he get sponsored or what? His YouTube is massive.

His YouTube is massive. Good for him. He always puts it through your legs too. You would think people would send you film. Does anyone dominate the professor? I doubt we'll see the footage, but does anyone just kill him? Did you ever go to those and one games?

I never went. I used to watch a lot of the videos. Well, the videos are much, much better. The live games are tough. Live games are tough because. Why are they just trying crazy stuff and have turnovers all game, but once or twice it's crazy and everybody falls down and freaks out? No holding.

Bingo. That is exactly it. The mc guy i forget his name he was a big part of rest in peace i think he passed away escalade no no escalade did pass away as well recipes escalade but i was a big and one guy there for a while and then it came to pittsburgh and i went to the game boy there's a lot of bad basketball and then there's really good basketball and then there's a lot more bad best then there's really good basketball wait and then they play against they played against some local street ballers so it's like the and one guys come play against the local guys and if they were good enough they would join the and one team that's how the professor started actually he was a local tryout and then he ended up getting on

the squad or whatever because i think he and hot sauce had respect for each other if i'm not mistaken well said but boy the nba what's that Didn't hot sauce get in the NBA and play? Skip to my Lou, dog. No, my bad. Have a little respect. Who did I play against? Bone collector. I played against somebody.

He found me shooting a three. No big deal. What was it for? How did you play against him? Like just a pickup game? Each year, the Black Expo happens here in Indianapolis. It's the largest black expo in the country. It is a massive thing.

I got invited to play in a celebrity basketball game. It was me, Steven Jackson. Oh, boy. A singer, a really good singer I've never heard of before. I don't know. I was the only Caucasian guy on my team. So anytime I tried to get on the court, I kind of got bullied out you know what i mean like sub okay i walk on and five people walk on so that's six people okay i'll back up i will so i didn't get a lot of time on

so then when i got on the court you know i wanted to make the most of it let's get these points okay let's rack up these points ty hilton was on the other team uh some other guys were on the other team there was a lot of crowd there this is my first time getting invited to a celebrity basketball game I was in some shape so and I was wearing Steph Curry's uh lawn cutting shoes you know those nurse Curry's that he put out so I was ready to go okay I was ready to go and I get on and I think the first time down I knew I knew him from the end one shows when I was, I forget which guy it was. I think it was Bone Collector. So he gets into the paint, and I try to do like a quick strip, and I foul him.

Okay, like first time on the court. Like I foul him right in the thing. He shoots two free throws. But I could tell by the way he looked at me that he was not happy about what happened. He was not happy about it. I didn't mean to, I was trying to get a quick strip

because there was like two minutes left in the half. I just got on. I was trying to strip that thing, pass it hopefully to Steven Jackson. And then Steven knew that I was wet from three. He was going to feed me back and I was going to knock down three. Like that was in my head. I'm like, boom, outlet, three. We're back.

Let's play some defense. So I accidentally foul him hard, too. I mean, it was a hard foul. And at that point, i'm the only white guy on the court at this point right and potentially in the whole area there i look like it just an absolute dickhead i'd assume i i had to look bad so on the way back okay they feed me the ball all of a sudden they switch out now he's playing defense on me i'm like oh boy here we go what am i gonna do though this guy has literally faced off against every great street baller in the history.

So I hit him. I had a little bit of this. I'm a bigger body, you know? Long hair with a big body. So I hit a step back three, right? I just try to make some space. As I'm shooting, I mean, it's a foul in my arm, okay? Hard foul.

And I was like, okay, no big deal, no big deal. So now I got to go shoot a free throw. Three free throws, right? Huh? Three free throws if it was a step back three oh yeah but I didn't play high school basketball so I'm not like a guy that has like the free throw routine locked in like that's not like first one almost air ball hits the bottom of the rim what was your routine though did you how many times you dribble did you try to look comfortable I think I did like a one two three like maybe a set to make it look like i really knew what i was doing i should have done maybe like the full thing but i did that in the first one it hits the rim and just goes straight like underneath it right so i got ty i think he's on the bench going oh no oh like don't

air ball a free throw and then the the one guy's like knew he couldn't shoot or something like that there's like a couple little things going on down there so then I knocked down the next two obviously excuse me boom boom Splash I think I picked up like four boards maybe four points and played a total of a minute and a half in that game pretty good not too I can understand how uh Mr Bone Collector would be upset that he's trying to drive the hole and give the the fans a show and a charity event and you decide to shut that down because everybody loves to watch people shoot free throws and entertaining charity events no easy buckets doesn't matter where we're at no easy anybody can get it dude what are you talking what do you want from me you're a pretty rust belt dude

i get it man could you imagine if i stripped bone collector and i don't even know if it was bone collector by the way i still don't i'm still bone collector was that a an and one character was bone collected i don't know if that was one you don't know the bone collector dude really no well do you even know what and one was do you know what they did yeah i apologize to mr bone collector but i guess hot sauce skip to my lou the professor those are the guys there he is okay say sorry to him i do apologize mr collector too. I do apologize, Mr. Collector. That is my fault. I should have known. I do recognize the face now that I see it.

And I would like to follow up on an apology for fouling him, too, to be honest. It was the first 10 seconds I was in. You know, I tried to get in a couple other times. I kind of got booted down the bench. Was it Spida? I don't think so. Was it Circus? Who coached you?

AKA from 50. Is this the N1? Worm. Baby Shaq. High Riser. Polo, Easy J, The Professor, obviously. Skip to my Lou, Shane Buzzy, and the Bone Clubs. Was this the roster from the game he was in, or are you just reading the N1 roster? No, that's just the N1 roster. You have some fucking respect for the— You didn't know that was the N1?

No, I didn't know. How am I supposed to know if they didn't all come to play in the game? Oh, boy. How am I supposed to know? I think Diggs is? Oh, boy. How am I supposed to know? This guy doesn't even know anyone either. I think Diggs is right here, Pat. I think Diggs is right. Because Diggs, he's reading off just random and one players.

But the professor wasn't even in this game you were at. Well, there's only like 12 of them. No. The professor wasn't in the game. What are you talking about? This is the Harlem Globetrotters, the and one team, basically. Which I went to one of their games. It was terrible, too.

Yeah. How was that? I'm always curious about it. Was it terrible? I have an assist, though. I do have an assist with the Harlem Globetrotters. I punted a ball to a guy that was standing on somebody else's shoulder, and they dunked it.

That'd be cool. I'd watch that. It was not sick with it. Was he at the game, though? Are we looking up just— No, that was the official N1 live streetballers tour that I read there. Who was your coach, Pat? Who coached your team?

Amp Harris. He's a local promoter. Who was your coach, Pat? Who coached your team? Amp Harris. He's a local promoter. Reggie Wayne coached the other team. He did not ask me to be on his team. Reggie. Did not ask me. So in 2011, 2012 for the Indy one, the professor was there. Hold on, I got a picture.

Wasn't the professor. That was not the year I was there. I got it. Do you know the year you were there? I have no idea a couple years ago three years ago four years ago 2016 i fouled him so hard though i should not have done that i'm not a fowler either i don't even touch the paint by the way i don't even i'm not even in the paint get me out of here go let him know my guy ran through though at just about the same

time he shook somebody so i had to like i was there i was like am i gonna strip an and one guy right now first two seconds on of course i am and then i should have known i was not i should have known i mean you weren't trying to foul him you're trying to pick his pocket and yoke it at the other end yeah and by the way it did feel as if that hoop was at about nine and a half feet it was reggie wayne and amperes yeah yeah i found the picture of you guys at the end of the game or the beginning of the game. Go ahead and put it up there. Is Pat very sweaty?

Did he not get much action? That's the group there. You will see. Perfect picture. Who did the lighting? It's perfect. I'm right there with the sleeveless you see me, by the way, in the red. Where?

Right there. That's me. Man, you look young. Thank you. I got my hair cut. That's kind of all i need to do is cut my hair i was very thin at this point dude i was in good shape i think this was right before a comedy tour maybe is that the professor right here no there was a there was a dunk

specialist though in there he's a white guy on the other team but he only came in by throwing the brakes and he just took off from the foul line he was next level yeah but these guys from all from india or not no a lot of people traveling the black expo here in india is insane i mean it is massive a lot of things a lot of charity obviously a lot of panels events it is huge here and that that game was uh always every single year i was invited one time one time i was invited about a guy how are these how are like like you said like the how are convention centers was always, every single year, I was invited one time. One time I was invited. Bow to guy. How are these, like you said, how are convention centers and the big hotels that host these giant conferences every year

for companies that bring in 2,000 people for a national sales meeting, how do they survive? Because when are these meetings and these conferences ever going to happen? Indianapolis is a convention city, too. So Indianapolis is- I've been there.

I think they had the Big Ten Media Days there before when I've worked there. ever going to happen indianapolis is a convention city too so indianapolis has been there i think they had the big 10 media days there before when i've worked there huge part of our city's economic everything in the city is built to be a convention city i think i've talked to you about this before that's why the super bowl goes off without a hitch here that's why the big 10 tournament happens here the final fours everything that happens in indianapolis is because the city is literally built for guests to come stay in hotels walk everywhere and have good restaurants everything like that the convention centers every single week bring in thousands of people you never know who the hell's in town and you're 100 right i think the city is normally the one in charge of the convention center right normally it's a city so it's the city losing money i'd assume but i don't know

when these conventions start back up which in turn i don't know when the city starts back up because a lot of the city revolves around hosting and other people coming in from out of town it is a massive ordeal that we're going through in here in indianapolis and i would assume in a lot of other places as well well the city brings in that the huge like hotel tax like a certain amount from every room that is is paid for goes to the city like that's so much tax dollars that aren't coming in right now and that's like it makes me take a sense or of indy uh like chicago any place that you have vegas i mean how many companies go out to vegas every single year for their huge meetings you can learn a lot by the way about the people that run the companies

if they have the convention in Vegas. Well, I'm sure they like good shows. But the NFL Combine tried to fuck over Indianapolis too. They moved it to primetime. So that took away from all the bar and restaurant time that they normally spend here. So normally when the NFL spring break comes to town, which is the is the combine all of our bars and restaurants are rented out by teams and it's massive you got special teams coaches meeting here then there's an after party here then there's a a

social gathering here there's this here and they moved it to prime time so a lot of our restaurants and stuff that normally get rented out throughout the entire evening, they kind of got swindled on that thing too by the NFL. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You just brought up the combine too. With the question marks around the college football, do you think the supplemental draft will kind of be growing? So I didn't even really think about the supplemental draft

until Michael Lombardi brought it up for the Patriots. He said, wait until you see what the Patriots do with the supplemental draft, which I didn't even know the supplemental draft was a real thing. But if college football is up, I knew it was a real thing but I didn't know teams prepared for it like I didn't know that was something you actually planned for if the college football season is up in the air and you're a senior not a junior because I think I'm not sure true juniors can leave anyways if they're to leave right now if they knew I think it has to be three years out of high school but if you're a senior and you have a chance to go to the NFL,

do you think you turn to the – when is the supplemental draft? Has it already happened? I think it's July, right? Do you turn to the supplemental draft if you're a senior with a shot and say, hey, since I'm not going to wait around an entire year, do you take a year to train or do you try to get in now? That's like for you because you're a top ten pick, top five pick. Did you leave early?

No, I stayed all four. Noble. Wow. Hey, there's nothing better than being a senior on a college football team. It means you're committed to the team. That's what a lot of coaches say. But if you, going into your senior year, I assume everybody thought, big swinging dick, A.J. Hawks, going to be a first-round draft pick.

I assume that everybody thought that going into your senior year. If you were looking at the season, and there's a chance it's not going to happen, which I think the NFL's safe. I think college football, there's a big old question mark. If you're A.J. Hawk, do you think about trying to get into the supplemental draft to get in the league a year earlier, or do you use this year like the Bosa kid did

and train for an entire year and get ready for next year? What would your approach be, you think? It would be a tough decision, I guess. I mean, I think if I went back to my 21-year-old brain when I was in school, I would absolutely stay there and be like, all right, whatever. I'll be – whenever we do play again, I'll be ready. I'm going to stay in school. But now, 36 years old, looking back, yeah, I'd have to give it some thought.

Think about, okay, when is this going to clear up? How long? I'm going to have a full year off. I'm going to be that much older once I do go into the league, and I know how teams view that as well. That's not great for your second, third, if you want a second, third contract. So I'd have to give it some thought. But, I mean, when I was in college,

I'm sure I would have probably just hunkered down and did my thing. The thing about that is distractions, too. If there's no college football for a year, those college kids. What do you do? Are you a normal student for the whole year? But are the students, what are the students? The students are just at home, right? Because I don't think students are coming back to universities.

That's why the university college football is probably not going to happen because they don't know what to do with students on campus because that seems like that's just going to be a spread fest for COVID-19. But are we at the point now where we're just expecting, like, yo, everybody's probably going to get it? Like, I don't know when that is. Is it a race to herd immunity? Is that what they're trying to do? They're going to eventually try to do, you think?

I have no idea about any of that. But I do have a sneaky suspicion that I think everybody's going to get COVID-19 at some point. And I know this is going off of nothing. I know absolutely nothing. And we just got to hope, I guess, that the strand isn't as strong as the initial strand it just took humans out but i don't know enough about enough to do this but i feel like as these numbers go up the world's shutting back down again it's like are you going to try to lock people back up in their houses again like i don't know if that's going to i don't know if that's going to work my brother is in

college right now and he said they will be on campus this fall as of now. Central Michigan University. So not small, but not huge. They're planning on them being back on campus? Yes. As of now. I've heard that from other kids, too, that they plan on going back. That's what they're telling them.

Well, they were planning on going back early so that they could be done by Thanksgiving. Because in the winter, COVID-19 can run wild on you, brother. But isn't that, we don't even know if that's true right now because all the places where it's spiking, supposedly, it's very hot. Summer sun. Summer sun kills coronavirus. 34 minutes.

Except for in Florida in the summer and in Arizona in the summer. Very interesting. Are people scrambling to buy tanning beds now if they hear that? Smart. I have one. I can't get in it. It just fucking burns me.

That thing might be set on Ecuador. There are also some schools that were charging full tuition for online only courses. Oh, yeah. I would never expect the Ponzi scheme like fucking universities to do something like that ever in my entire life. You probably love college, huh? Because you're a Ohio State guy. Love what about it? Everything. Just the thought of college.

No, I don't want to go sit in class anymore. Absolutely not. I did that. I had to do that every day for four years. That was rough, but I had a good time. You went to class every day for four years? You went to class every day for four years you want the class every day for four years yes i've told you before i they checked my classes that guy would come back and make sure i was there sitting there you towards the front paying attention absolutely you never missed one class i i missed a class or two but you know when i started or i missed a few was when i was a senior my time i already was done playing my senior season

top five and i was still in school and they would like they kind of made was when i was a senior my time i already was done playing my senior season and i was still in school and they would like they kind of made a joke i was going to travel to visit teams before the draft and i had to miss a few classes and i remember like coach trestle's buddy he used to check a lot of the classes who i'm tight with would like try to play a joke on me like i was in trouble from coach trestle for missing the class when i was going to visit with like the lions or something after my football career was already over. I was like, hey, sweater vest, come over here. Come over here, sweater vest.

Let me smack you in the fucking mouth. I'll be the number five overall pick. You keep checking these classes. That's good. I'll buy the damn class here in about two months. Obviously, I was done. I was done playing football for Ohio State, but they were just messing with me. Yeah, I had to go, man.

I mean, some guys maybe could try to slide around it, but no, they checked our classes. They made sure you were there. AJ, how was that visit with the Lions? I had zero online classes, too. How was that visit with the Lions you just talked about? You know what, Pat, who was with me when I visited the Lions? Ernie Sims, and they drafted

Ernie that year. Love Ernie. I ate lunch with Ernie in the Lions facility. It it was great how cool was he he was a wild man coming out of college wasn't he yeah i saw ernie and some of those like uh kind of post-season award shows in college too and stuff i loved him he was always a great time he he grew up a lot before he got to the colts because he went to from detroit to the eagles i believe then eagles to the colts and now he's at fiu i believe fau he's a coach yeah he's a coach good guy i still runs a a 4-3-4 day if i had to guess if i had to guess he could still run sub 4-5 i would lock i would guarantee he could run sub 4-5 right now if he had to

oh i'm sure he would he'd be offended if you said otherwise anybody i wouldn't know not me sounds about right i'll never get like a speed 88 on that and he could fly hey did you have cormier on earlier oh he was awesome he's the man i think he's all how to go i'm gonna go back and watch it eventually he's what he's working out 14 times uh a week he did say 14 times a day to us at the beginning of the conversation and i said excuse me he said 14 times a week he'll wrestle in the morning with a bunch of animals and he'll do kickboxing at night and he's really just wrestling he coaches like his kids unrest like he's a wrestling coach as well yeah he's a stud this is his last fight i guess everybody knew that except for me so when i asked him that he said

yeah this is it august 15th against steepay he says he feels very good he said he's doing everything that you're supposed to do this the first time he said he's doing everything that he possibly can to focus on his fight nutritionist focus training everything because this is his last fight and he wants to make sure it's his best fight so he was awesome I am a massive fan of him after that conversation not that I wasn't before I think he's a great commentator. I think he's very well spoken. He knows a lot of things. He makes the environment and atmosphere of the fights that he calls a great one. I think he's very good at his microphone.

I actually told him I think he's the best athlete commentator currently going. I mean, Tony Romo just got broken off. But if you look around athletes who are commentating, there's nobody that reads a room or a moment with you know insight and everything like that like daniel cormier uh so i enjoyed him a lot as a person but after talking to him i love that guy and i met stipe in columbus so now i'm very torn i crowd surf with that guy yeah the trilogy fight man i mean he's obviously doing all of this because he he says his last fight but he's also fighting stipe and they've traded you know dc won the first one, Stipe won the second. Now we get to see what happens.

So it's on Fight Island. Does he have any worries about going there? Does he know what it's going to be like? It's not on Fight Island. It's not? No, he knew. Oh, at the Apex Center? Yeah, he knew about, yeah, it's in the Apex Center,

which he said there's two and a half feet per square that are shortened, by the way, and there's eight of them or whatever. You do the math, so that's 20 feet, I do believe, off of the rat. So he said that he's gonna wrestle like there's gonna he said it plays well for him he said a lot of people he said something in another interview he's like single leg single leg single leg single leg just wait for it it's coming he told stipe this exactly what's happening trilogy i guess stipe probably knows everything about that but it's the american fighters that

are fighting in vegas the foreign fighters are the ones fighting on fight island out there yes island but it was we asked that question we were very much and he knew about the fight with stipe about what two months before anybody else yeah yeah he already knew about that their first fight down in jacksonville he actually had his trainer come down i think in the octagon for him to hit some mitts to kind of get a feel back because he hasn't fought in a year okay well stipe had an eye situation that kept him out for a long time it's gonna be an awesome fight but dc like he has whenever he does stop fighting i mean he they should put him on almost every pay-per-view they have i think dc's awesome and he and rogan and anik are a great trio together

relatable i told this to um i told this to dc said, I don't want you to take any offense to this, but you have a relatable body, right? Like he's, he's like Gary Brackett, you know, like Gary Brackett had a relatable body. Nobody knows how Gary Brackett was able to do what Gary Brackett was able to do for over a decade in the NFL middle linebacker. Nobody understands how Daniel Cormier goes against these physically imposing monsters. But Daniel Cormier said he loves that. Like his whole drive, he said he's super competitive, obviously, like every professional athlete.

But we had a whole conversation about how that can be a bit annoying, like being super competitive is a bit annoying at times. People don't really understand that. But he said he likes seeing these people who are just physically imposing and monsters and everybody's going crazy in the moment he says he likes thinking about how i'm gonna make them look so normal i'm gonna make that person look so normal by the time i'm done like that's what gets him going and i think he is i gained a lot of respect for him in that conversation today he is cool dude man he talks it up he talks up his dad bod and talks about when he wears sweatpants and pull him up past his belly button and tuck his shirt in he he's he leans into the character he's a giant

professional wrestling fan too oh yeah he cut a promo he talked about cutting a promo on brock lesnar and brock lesnar cutting one back and then deal couldn't get done and then he said over to which is a wrestling term for people that are loved by the fans over yeah he dropped a couple wrestling terms in the middle of our conversation. He always talks about the rub. Oh, you got to give a little rub. AJ Hawks has been giving me quite a big rub in Ohio, by the way. Ohio was not all for me

due to me and Urban Meyer having a beef for a little bit that has been settled, by the way. But you've given me quite a rub in Ohio, bub. Right, I'll give you a rub anytime. Whoa. Hey, now. I learned a lot about those rubs this weekend from uh

interesting guy from who interesting guy you learned about what kind of rubs this guy has this so i've i've heard of guys that get body gurus and like that you know like there's guys that get body gurus yeah those guys are awesome they're all so good Like there's guys that get body gurus. Yeah, those guys are awesome. They're all so good. I heard a story about... Not that there's not some good ones out there, but there's a bunch of turds.

I heard some stories about a body guru that showed up and it was just next level, man. There's people scamming these professional athletes out of a lot of money acting as if they're fixing their body, but it all goes back to that placebo effect. It all goes back to that placebo effect where if you feel as if your muscles are getting more flexible and pliable and all that shit, it probably makes you think you're invincible until you just sniper, boom, done. Thought that guy rubbed that out.

No, he did not even touch it. Well, I'm not. For the record, I want to make sure I'm not talking about Dwight Freeney's body guru. If you're wearing a gi on an airplane, you've got to have some level of either delusion or self-confidence that I have to respect. You just directly went after Dwight Freeney right there. Not even close. Yeah, you did. What did you do?

You did cold tubs? No. You did not do cold tubs very very rarely that thing had a layer of just oil and gross body things floating on top of even they clean it every day no you gotta shower before you get on top go shower before you get yeah that happens everyone follows that rule don't they signs everywhere i've never seen a single person shower before they get in there but if you go in cold tub, you need to have the toesies thing, the thing on the toes.

Those help. Oh, my God. Like, people do those cold as balls interviews with Kevin Hart, and they just get in there. And I'm like, I was a cold tub. Like, I would go in a cold tub 15 minutes after every single time I did anything. I don't even – it just made my lower half feel good, made me feel spry.

And, like, I wouldn't even do – I was too lazy to do the flush where you go in the hot tub then a cold tub five minutes three minutes i was too lazy to do that so i just said fuck it i'm gonna sit in a cold tub for 15 minutes but i watched this cold as balls conversation which i think i would fare well in right i think i would be able to do well in it but there's not a single person that puts the toe thing on and i'll tell you what that would get me i would not be able to get in there if it wasn't for the little toe thingy that you put on. Someone needs to tell.

I think they probably just aren't aware of it. Someone needs to send some to Kevin Hartbeck. Hey, this is for you and your guest. I think it'll make it a lot better. This will make a world of difference. Just little neoprene toe covers. That's all it is. Vinatieri had this OG move where he would take a Gatorade towel, dunk it in the hot tub.

Then he would put it down, obviously, through his midsection, and then he'd get in the cold tub. Smart. He had like a diaper on of hot water, and then he'd get in there. Very smart, but I'm too lazy to do it, right?

I'm too lazy to do it. So I would just, give me the tow things, I'm putting those on there, give me my phone, and I'm going to sit in here for 15 minutes, and it's going to be a terrible four minutes 15 minutes and it's gonna be a terrible four

minutes and it's gonna be a terrible exit but from those you know 11 minutes there i'm gonna be okay i can't believe you didn't cold tub you didn't tour at all you didn't cold tub did you stretch yeah when they i stretched when the coaches made us i was a big stretcher either i didn't understand it i mean i i wish at times i wish i was a little bit more flexible i'm not like crazy stiff i can touch my toes and everything oh don't do it dude don't rip your pants man they're already ripped dude that's why you buy ripped pants you see this you ever been able to do that yeah your knees bent no how much were those jeans How much were those jeans?

American Eagle, probably. $75. Nah, probably $45, $50. That's it, really? American Eagle is no free dance. If you're going to American Eagle, a lot of those jeans, though, that are sold with all the holes in them, they're like $1,400.

Try explaining that to some World War II vet. He was all of a sudden came back. He's like, hey, you got holes all over came back. He's like, hey, man. He's like, hey, you got holes all over your jeans. Like, yeah, man. Well, I got a good deal. They were only $1,600. Originally $2,500.

Explain it to that guy. I do wonder what these jeans cost now that I'm thinking about it. They have to be because I'm big. Jeans are expensive, man. For guys, like jeans are super they're way too expensive i feel like there's only a couple good ones page is good those page pants i'll wear pay i need like the male yoga pants everybody's seen my legs now at this point they're probably the biggest on earth no big deal but i i have to have jeans and pants that stretch

american eagle i have found that their denim is the best Flex denim for me but you're right I'm a size 40 right I wear a size 40 pants because of this ass I would assume that that is a little bit more so these are probably 100 at least these yeah probably uh I'm on the site now I'll find it good sale going on six plus off everything there's jean shorts though are the best by far not even a close second American American English shorts. Best. Yeah, they're nice. You know, I was supposed to have some jean shorts down in Florida. We took like a family picture. We were there on Friday. And I guess we had matching outfits somewhat as a family.

And the kids were wearing jean shorts and the shirt, like black shirts. I didn't have a black shirt. And I don't own a pair of jean shorts. So my wife scrambled and tried to get me some down there. And she was not successful. She couldn't find any jean shorts. Pat, those ones originally 60, probably on sale for either 45 or 35 right now.

Everything I just said, 45 bucks. Yeah, okay. Cheapest jeans you can find. Well, that's what I do. That's what I do. Good for you. I wear shirts that we either sell or I get sleeveless hoodies that I've accrued over the years.

And American Eagle or Paige pants. That's just where you're going to find me at. That where you're going to find me hey what happened with zeke what did he say he said i'm faded i believe at the end of a twitch stream and then he said oh i didn't even turn this off and sports illustrated said that he was high and now he's like it could mean drunk faded could definitely mean drunk faded could definitely mean drunk bitch i'm faded faded faded faded i'm faded faded what does sports illustrated say they said that he was high yeah they read an article titled zeke elliott admits to being high well okay so what if he is but they don't know that they're that's i mean the idea he didn't say that 10-4 who cares if he is but i would assume that zeke

does not want the nfl to think that he is currently high because they can test if there is a uh probable cause or something of that there's some in the substance of abuse policy now granted i don't know it now they've changed it with the new cba and over the years but there is a probable cause testing thing for street drugs if something like this was to happen so i would assume that's why zeke is like sports illustrated go no i'm drunk get out of here i don't need to be tested now granted i assume zeke would pass that test with flying colors but peeing in front of somebody when you don't have to is an uncomfortable situation or he was high and

was just pissed off the sports illustrated said he was high one or the other yeah his lawyer mr frankie salzano he's dead serious about filing a lawsuit. That's real, though. Against SI. It's 100% because of what I just said. Nobody wants to be in that substance of abuse program. I've been in it eight times a month, 27 months. You have a PO, they're going to track you.

That's not something that Zeke would want. But he did say I'm faded. And I would assume an old white who writes at Sports Illustrated was like, faded? Let me Google that real quick. Tiger sang a song about this. Tiger was smoking weed while he sang this. He's high. Son of a bitch is high. Let's post it. Then Zeke's like, no,

I was drunk. Please get off of me, and I'm allowed to be. It's the off season. Get off my dick. Yeah, or he could say, no, that's what I say when I'm very tired. I was tuckered out i wanted to go to bed oh i'm fading yeah that's all you gotta say i mean it's crazy i guess there's nothing out there there's no nothing you got to create some content so how did this sports illustrator writer find out about zeke saying this on his twitch stream just on people on twitter

maybe saw it and said something well it's ezekielzekiel Elliott. It's Dallas Cowboys. I hope. I don't want to cut you off, but I hope there are old school media members monitoring professional athletes' Twitch streams and watching like six hours straight of nothing to try to get something like that. Blake Snell. Think about Blake Snell's. I mean, all day that's happening. Just like teams are monitoring everybody's social media by fake accounts.

Like, I think I had three people in the Colts' front office everybody's social media by fake accounts like i think i had three people in the colts front office that were following me from fake accounts i think like i think there was three people following me well you know um cliff kingsbury i had him on my podcast years ago when he was at texas tech he told me they though it made some news too like he said they will reach out to people through burner Twitter accounts posing as girls, trying to see if they'll make bad decisions. Jeez. I get now, some would say that's entrapment. I don't know if that's exactly what he said,

but he's definitely said they use online, they'll use accounts to check on players. I don't know, but there's something with females. You know, I get what he's trying to do it wasn't a sting operation they weren't trying to say hey i'm an escort pay me 400 no but i get what he's trying to do though right because you you could probably i assume especially in these dms these days with the access and the ability that people have to whoever i assume there's some pretty savage things being said in the dms by people i guess that is a way to find out whether or not your players are acting how you would hope that they would act in the dms they're just being respectful to women you want to make sure they're

respectful interactions so say okay you can't say this to these people just for the dudes out there by the way that bear waving hello oh yeah good you're good to go good gift i got a chance to do it with my friends here uh one summer i was single uh they were single but i would not get on any of these dating apps i refused to do it but some of my friends were and i enjoyed playing the game you know for them like okay here we go this is my new face here we are and boy what i learned quickly with it and i think i even hooked up my friends here a couple times you're welcome yeah thank you thank you no problem i don't think i've ever yeah i have been publicly thanked you have thanked me numerous times for it the bear waving hello though is the go-to it just just like if if sam and i if my current fiance and i both swiped right on each other and i sent that

bear hello we would have been engaged probably as soon as that day. Just a little heads up. But I assume there's some idiots out there. There always will be, always is. Yeah, of course. You can't even really call them idiots. I mean, they're young. A lot of them, especially in college, are you kidding me?

You think they're thinking 10, 20 years down the road? I just got a text from Mike Greenberg. Greeny. Greeny! So give me a call when you get a chance, bub. Does that make you nervous? No. It's Greeny! Greeny!

How many Hall of Fames is he in? He's in two Hall of Fames. He is maestro. Watching him operate, that might have been the most beneficial thing for me this past fall. Game day, electric. Very lucky to be there. I got a chance to see the, that was really cool. A show that I watched, obviously, that was awesome. The Thursday night games that we got to call, cool. Couldn't have replay or really look at the thing. So definitely a cool thing to call games, but it wasn't an ideal you

know it was cool though it was cool to learn the game watching mike greenberg work every monday morning starting at about 6 a.m that was something i don't think that you could ever put a price on like i think watching him handle the setup of the show the day-to-day what he wants to do what he wants to get accomplished a conversation watching him work was something that i will you can never pay for and i'm very very very lucky to be there the question was i was asked one time if you want to come to the pre-show meeting you can come to pre-show meeting or whatever i'm like i would like to come to the pre-show meeting 6 a.m right so you come to the pre-show meeting and then you start realizing like this is where a lot of people are getting their stats from and there's a guy named hembo there that would take care of me in beautiful fashion and alley and

i should know the other guy's name i forget the whole crew over there's really good people but watching greenie kind of work and figure out what needs to be talked about what what should be kind of placed priority and then how he handles the conversations and the flow of everything and then i got asked if i wanted to go to a post- show meeting i was like oh i would love to go to a post show meeting it was just like a university almost with that greenie i have nothing but the utmost respect for mike greenberg so what was that post show meeting like like what would you go over what went right and what went wrong in that show yeah it was a wrap-up show that should happen more often that doesn't happen many places well i assume that's why get because you gotta remember Get Up at one point was in a bad spot.

Like, that show was... Oh, they revamped everything, I feel like, other than Greenberg. Well, and I think they built that entire Pier 17 for that show. Yeah. They dumped a ton of money into it, and the problem was they promoted it for like a year, and then all of a sudden it came out,

and people were like, well, what is it? It's grown into what it is now, which is a good show, but it was weird how they over-promised early on, I feel like. and i think greeny i think he sensed that you know that it kind of under delivered and they did like it was i don't know if it was he never told me this so i'm not sure but i think it was his idea too like the show was his idea so i feel like he almost put that on his back like with everything he's accomplished like i think get up in his eyes was like okay this is going to be what people remember most because so he put that show on his back basically and watching them operate is just it was something that i could never pay for it was i was very lucky to be there

and do that so anytime i get a text from him i always assume he's going to try to either make me better tell me something i did wrong or be like hey i need you potentially to do this and i'm all in. I love the Greeny, man. He's always wearing Louboutin shoes, too. Like his shoes are always got right. I mean, he is always just he's the man. Greeny is the man. There's one of the guys that's out there that you'd be like, good dude.

Happy is a good guy. Yeah. I mean, he's been doing it forever. That's his show. So, of course, he takes a bunch of ownership in that. He takes pride in it. But did, uh,

isn't he going to do some radio now on ESPN for like three hours a day? He's going to add that to his schedule. Yeah. I guess they're adding radio on to his contract or whatever, which maybe is what he added money. Uh, I don't ever want to say the things that Greeny has said privately, but Greeny has so much swagger. It's unbelievable. It is in like this, I don't want want to say the things that Greeny has said privately, but Greeny has so much swagger, it's unbelievable.

It is in like this, I don't want to say nerdy, but kind of nerdy swag that he has is just unbelievable. A couple of things that just slip out that I don't even think he knows is like a massive flex is just like a super flex. I think I'm the first person that's ever just like died laughing at the things that he says like savage absolutely savage well pat i i was a part of a show that generated a half a billion dollars in revenue or something like that like that came up in a conversation and i just started dying laughing i was like that is a fucking hilarious line so i'm not 100 sure he's at the point where he's worried about the financials of

it all but i would assume if they're going to add him to a radio lineup that he's going to have they're going to have to pay him for that because that's just kind of how it goes but an extra three hours on top of that two-hour get-up show which has become just his show by the way he had co-hosts had co-hosts through his quarantine it has become just him with a different panel so he's directing and guiding for two hours and he's gonna do another three hours that's five hours a day well and what time does he get there for the pre-show stuff 6 a.m so i mean that's another two four no he gets there at six i saw him okay well you know i beat him in a couple of years first one in last one to leave right that's you

no i got out of there quickly because I had to go do my show somewhere else But, you know, if I got asked to do it in the post-show thing I stopped Well, what are they doing, though? They're revamping everything I feel like Keyshawn Johnson is going to ESPN to do radio Is he doing the Go Look at Wingoes slot? NFL Live is going to be a really good show, I think

NFL Live, Laura Rutledge is hosting Swagoo is on there, Marcus Spears Dan Orlovsky, Keyshawn Johnson, and Mina Kimes. The TV show. Yeah, the NFL live show I think is going to be a very good show. Who does it now? Huh? Who does NFL live now?

Great question. Nobody knows the answer. I think that's why they're moving to a new crew or whatever. Keyshawn's doing radio there too now. Yeah, they're revamping the radio lineup from what I've been told. We had discussions for a little bit on whether or not I would go to ESPN radio. Those discussions stopped because of how much I enjoy the non-FCC fucking life. Like the radio is such a hard, like I don't want to commit to that long term because I

would like to be, I think long form conversations. I think the authenticity of conversations is much more on the rise as opposed to the FCC regulated conversations. So for me, it was hard for me to be like, yeah, I'll do that. We had conversations. I think they were interested. I was interested, but it never really blossomed anything. But I do know that they're trying to revamp the entire ESPN radio thing. And I think green is a part of it they're probably going to do so because that son of a bitch is good yeah will kane left is he taking will kane spot i mean i don't know why i'm getting into so much detail on this i don't know why i even know so much about it but i know will clean where he's going to be a political analyst fox and friends yeah yeah

he's heading weekends i think right fox and friends weekends on fox news and he said he will also be doing sports talk i'm not sure how or when or if you'll have a podcast or whatever but that's a whole new world now you get in that politics world hey that shit is a buzzsaw both sides by the way if you get in that you automatically have 50 of people that hate your guts through and through let alone the people that are going to hate you regardless right so so not let's add them in there so probably 70 to 75 percent of the people on earth will hate you if you get in the politics game but then you're like yeah but i'm changing the world maybe probably not but i think will cain will be very i think will cain is good at what he does like i think will kane is good at

what will kane does i've always thought that i watch a show i'm like this is a very will kane show this is a very will kane take this is exactly what it is and he's a handsome son of a i mean let's not get that let's not get that misconstrued i want to like i want to know how much some of these these analysts get paid to be like a if you're a what a paid consultant or a paid commentator where you you come on like say something happens you're an ex-military guy and fox news brings you on once or twice a week maybe to hit on something like a terrorist attack that happened those guys get paid pretty good money yeah i don't know anytime you get in that politics world i would assume that the price tag goes up strictly because you know of your life your happiness like that I would assume that that number has to be

missed the dream for those people is to get their own show like I think I saw something like Bret Baird I think he makes more than 10 million a year or something on the show like people that have their own show on a big network like that a political show like they get paid cash Hannity I know he makes a ton of money too he does radio as well i believe yeah we gotta remember to get those shows you gotta be like rachel maddow is a road scholar like those shows i believe those hannity's been doing it for what ever i think i think he's been doing it forever but boy what do you gotta have security everywhere

you go right oh yeah both sides you gotta have security everywhere you go because you got lunatics on both sides that are ready to kill you at any time. I mean, that is an aggressive decision to go to. I don't know. I mean, it depends, I guess, who you are. I'm sure, like, Bill O'Reilly would need security. I don't know where he's at now. Well, unfortunately, I do believe that Bill O'Reilly made some terrible choices back in the day. Yeah, I don't know.

I try to watch when something pops off in the political world, which seems to be every fucking day now at this point. Everything's breaking news. That's what makes no sense. If you turn on any news channel, it says breaking news for everything. And then they'll play like a little music bed. Breaking news. news i'm like you can't have breaking news 38 times a day by the way twitter twitter already broke this news yeah so three hours ago i want to let you know this isn't just breaking news this is actually old news that we're telling for the

first time both sides but anytime something pops off man it's awesome to watch MSNBC and CNN and then just flip right over to Fox News and just be like, are we living in the same planet? I don't think so. I don't know how either of these two people will ever coexist with each other. And that's awesome. And then I kind of get out of it and I go back to my dumb little sports world. I'm like, okay, fun time to be alive.

I don't know if I'm getting that. Don't you think at times those political people are probably somewhat, not jealous, but envious of sports commentators that can just talk about sports and sometimes don't have to get into like, hey, well, okay, my opinion on this thing may swing like I could be canceled instantly

depending on how I feel about a certain situation. Well, I would assume that they see the people like me and they go, that idiot is making money in the profession that I choose. how i feel about a certain situation well i i would assume that they see the people like me and they go that idiot is making money in the profession that i choose and what does he do nothing i would assume there's some because if i was in their position i would assume i would be like these two idiots on the internet are making a living doing what i'm doing now granted i'm not 100 sure of that the money is i'm not they probably. Yeah. I would assume that they absolutely hate us. And Will Kane be the first guy in a long time.

I guess Malcolm Jenkins, right? He just signs up with CNN. I guess they'll be, they'll be able to tell us what it's like over there. Right. Cause that's, they'll be able to be like,

yeah, you should stay in the sports world or, Hey, it's not as bad over there. Actually. Death threats aren't as bad. That's what I always think about the politics where I was like, enjoy my life so much like i enjoy being liked by people i like people like i enjoy having conversations with people on the side of the road like i'm cool with people

like i enjoy that like i enjoy the human interaction of people being like hey i appreciate whatever stupidity you do because it helps like i enjoy that i don't care where you're from what you do all that shit as soon as you get into the politics world it's like fuck you you're the worst human of all time you want to fucking do what and then the other people are like oh that's the best person of all time but fuck this person it's just like i don't know if i'm built for that i am not i don't think i am built for this is just on the street some person coming up to me like fuck you it's like what did i do me what did i do to you well you said cam newton's gonna make the patriots better fun like that's not happening you know

like that is not happening and i'm i'm 100 cool with that but i do believe those people make a lot of money but that's a classic like you gotta sell your happiness then and there's only there's so few of them making the the big money too. Like, how many still are working every day, working for a show, assisting, or they have a show, but it's at 10 a.m. And it's not primetime that aren't making a fraction of what the big guys make. All I'm trying to do is get through this life, say stupid things in a microphone, make people happy, move to an island. That's all I'm trying to do. Those politics people, I think whenever they get on the TV, they're trying to save the world.

They're trying to push their agenda. They're trying to get into politics themselves. They're trying to be president or maybe. That's a whole different. They just have a completely. Like Will Kane. I wonder if Will Kane knows that. I would assume Will Kane does know that,

that that's why he's getting into that world. He better. But you have to have like, I i want to i don't know that seems like an aggressive decision and maybe he probably wants more freedom to talk about things that he's interested in i know at espn's gone through spurts where they don't want people talking any kind of politics and by the way i don't think they should just for future either way. I just because that's like me giving people advice on what they should do. Like, you're not coming to me to hear what I think you should do with voting for the real world or anything like that. I don't fucking know, dude, don't. you don't have to like there's things you don't have an opinion on or you don't like i don't have a form a fully formed opinion on this i can't let you know right now i do believe though there's a couple debates that i have watched where i could walk up there in my jorts and sleeveless hoodie and win them i believe it there's been some debate

the indiana governor debate that happened just a couple years ago that i watched i almost broke in and just stood on the stage and said, fuck it. I'll run. Here we go. What are we doing? What was wrong with it? Oh, it's just one idiot after another. It's like, how can you say something dumber?

I don't know. Let's wait for the next person. Oh, there it is. Got dumber. Let's wait for the next one. It's just, I don't know. It feels like it's robots, but they're signing up to get in that world that I would never do. So I guess that takes some sort of talent. I guess.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Ricky Fowler. How's it going, Ricky? All good. Just hanging here at the course. Going to go get some work in shortly. Yeah, so you got a practice round today? Is that what's going on here? Yeah, I played 18 yesterday, and today I'll probably hit some balls

and go play nine, keep it fairly mellow because I've got to play tomorrow morning pretty early. Okay, so let's talk about these practice rounds. I've never really seen them. Are you out there in shorts? Is there music playing? What is the practice? Or is this like a very serious, like we've got to learn the course here,

we're going to do this if we do this. What is the practice round like on Wednesdays? Pretty mellow. Typically a Wednesday would be our pro-am day. But obviously with everything going on, just players out here. So pretty relaxed. Every once in a while I'll have my phone playing some music in my back pocket. Some guys maybe a little bit more serious,

especially if it's a golf course they haven't been to yet. But myself being here last year, I know the golf course pretty well just kind of uh reacquainting myself other than that I try and keep it pretty relaxed early in the week rest up and uh get ready to tee up on well Thursday being tomorrow what are you what are you listening to in the back pocket I'm excited you know what I play I'll go everything from hip-hop barbecue radio on Pand, which is a nice mix of nostalgia. Every once in a while, the big timers will come on. Then you've got old school, old school, juvenile.

And then I'll go Zac Brown band as well if I want to get it, depending on what mood. What is in your back pocket while you're playing in these rounds? My standard go-to, a couple DJs that I know, Kygo and Griffin. Oh, you get after it. They're not too crazy. They're fairly mellow compared to what you might see at night in a club. Kygo's got a great new album out that I've enjoyed listening to.

Being in Detroit, another buddy of mine, sometimes I'll throw on there, whether it's Pandora or somewhere else, but Kid Rock. Oh! Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. The old adage is that you were this adrenaline junkie who was a dirt biker

and you got into all this other stuff, and then you self-taught, were self-taught, you get it, how to golf, and then now you're in the PGA. How does that happen? How do you go from being dirt biker, which seems to be the polar opposite, adrenaline junkie, polar opposite of what golf is? How did you fall in love with the game and get to this point? Well, so I started playing and riding basically at same time. Um, golf was always my number one, but, um, man, I w I wish I could still get on a dirt bike and go have some

fun. Um, I basically rode up until I was about 15. Um, I broke my foot and, uh, didn't tear anything in my knee, but basically blew it up. So that was a kind of a wake-up call if i want to go after and pursue golf that the dirt bikes may have to take a seat for a bit so um it was a big part of who i am as far like you said it's you gotta have you can't think a whole lot on a bike and uh when i'm playing my best golf there golf, there's not much thinking involved. It's kind of go with what you're feeling, see it, and hit it. Those are the good days. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen all the time. I don't know how you guys do it.

I got this club. It's called The Unduffable. I bought it off the Golf Channel about 3 a.m. whenever they said it was available. Turns out, the son of a bitch does duff all the time. Golfing is a lot like kicking and punting right so it kicking and obviously you're doing it uh hopefully under 72 times a day for us it's only like five six times but once you start overthinking things you get so messed up it happens to the best of us it happens

everybody what do you do whenever you get in those situations where you're overthinking, a little paralysis by overanalysis type situation? For me, I think it's always going back to if you have one swing thought, one or two. For me, I can get away with two as far as – oh, we got Jason Day pulling up over here. Jason Day. Hey, pal, good luck out there. I hope you come in second this weekend. Exactly. Yeah, that was good luck out there. I hope you come in second this weekend. Exactly. Yeah, that was for you, Ricky.

I think a big thing is keeping swing thoughts down to a minimum and then kind of having a fallback. If something is going wrong, what's that one cue that can kind of get you through the day to minimize what could happen? I stink at golf, but I'll have a good round every once in a while. Like, for instance, I just shot a a good round every once in a while. You're like, I will have a good, like for instance, I just shot a 38 on nine holes on Saturday in Michigan.

And I felt like I was on top of the world and I could go shoot a hundred tomorrow. At what point in your life were you shooting where you're like, you know what? I'm probably going to be a professional golfer. Did you, did you have that like aha moment where you're like, I seem to be better than everybody else.

Uh, it was always a dream of mine, but, um, you know, having a dream as a little kid, that doesn't always work out. But, I mean, put the work in, put the time in, and keep kind of shooting for that. There's a better chance of it. But for me, I think when I really knew, actually the first PGA Tour event I got to play in as an amateur was in 2008 at Hilton Head.

And I didn't play that well. And I think I missed the cup by two shots. And I was like, I can play out here. I know I can do this. So that was kind of the validation of when I really knew. There were times before that where I knew I could play good golf. But at that point, I got to go and actually play with the guys that I'd be competing with in the future. The younger generation of golfers has been very important

to the game of golf, right? I mean, Tiger and Phil, that magical run, it was just next level. And then everybody was like, well, what's going to happen to golf when Tiger's done? And now, granted, they're still playing and still bringing ratings but that next generation of golf was a big deal you spieth uh your little golf rap group you guys had there for a little bit that whole crew it seems like you guys are really tight too is that is that a fair assessment whenever i'm talking about the younger group of golfers it feels like you guys are a lot closer than most competitors would be yeah you could definitely say that because it wasn't like, you know, through the prime of Tiger and Phil's careers that they were hanging out. And nothing against that. I'm just I'm someone that enjoys being around from growing up, playing with my buddies through high school, through college. I always felt like what made me better is playing against guys that were as good or better and just pushing each

other um and continuing to to in a way help each other out and it's it's more fun when you get to beat your buddies um in my opinion you get some bragging rights on them um but it is it is different um like i said you didn't see phil and tiger necessarily hanging out. But I got to give credit to Phil for him to have the career he had and is still having throughout Tiger's prime. The amount of wins, the amount of top finishes, that's pretty impressive to do it in the same time as, you know, probably the greatest player we've seen in the game. Now you and Phil – by the way, we'll jot that down.

Ricky Feller says Tiger Woods greatest golfer of all time. Okay, so you and Phil Mickelson, it is alleged you guys played a lot of rounds together back in the day i don't know if that's still happening or not but what do you learn from a guy like phil mickelson and how awesome was the gambling uh yeah we we would play uh a lot of times phil and i'd be on the same team nice smart um there were A lot of times Phil and I would be on the same team. Nice. Smart. There were a lot of times we'd play Tuesday matches, like two-on-two best ball. I thought it was a great way to get ready for a tournament, see where you're at. So that was one thing that has definitely helped me, but also his time management. He's obviously been out here a handful of years before me, And he's obviously been out here a handful of years before me.

And just learning from him on how he dealt with day-to-day, weekly situations, sponsor obligations, and just how to learn to manage that properly. Everyone's different. So, I mean, I don't do things exactly how Phil does, but I learned a lot from him on the management side. You guys are like NASCAR racers. I mean, the big guys have like one or two. You, Puma, everybody knows you're with Puma. Also, your relationship with Rocket Mortgage has been a smashing success. But that whole managing the sponsorships and their expectations, I would assume that is a bit tasking, just in a little bit that we have to do with businesses and their expectations. I would assume that is a real thing that has to be monitored

for you guys in your week-to-week. Yeah, it is. I mean, I typically play about 25 events a year. That'll be a little different this year with our little layoff, but outside of that I probably have, depending on the year, but 25 workdays as far as whether they're shoots, still or commercial,

playing a handful of pro-ams outside of that for other players that have their pro-ams or their foundations. So it's cool to be able to have those opportunities, to have the partnerships. There's some time that is involved with it, but to be a part of Rocket Mortgage and to see what they're doing in Detroit, it's something that's fun to hop on. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. How's it been golfing in front of nobody? Like, is it just – It's quiet. Yeah, the fans bring the energy, and it is very different. Yeah, I definitely enjoy it more with fans because the energy is there. You know, getting contention on the weekend, it's a different feeling. But, yeah, we don't have that yet because it's definitely quiet out here.

It was a pandemic, Ricky, before. There's this virus going on. I've heard of it. It has been rather large. Go ahead. Ricky, it was reported or it came out that you were the only person on tour who was going to wear a mic or was willing to wear a mic. Did other players on tour give you any crap for that?

No, I didn't get any backlash for it. I think there's definitely more guys that are up for it i don't know if they asked the whole field i think they they went through a handful of guys um i was i was up to do it especially since we just about a month before that played the taylor made drive and relief match with rory dj and wolf and we were all miked up there. So just figured, why not? Unfortunately, I didn't play very well. It would have been a little better if I played nice. Is that the reason why you played bad?

Because you were miked up? No, I can't blame it on that. I wish I could, but that's on me. All right. We can't thank you enough for your time. Are you going to win this weekend? Yeah. Let's win one.

Let's win one. That's why I'm here. Let's make Detroit better with Rocket Mortgage. Let's go win the Rocket Mortgage Classic and let's continue to have the most electric mustache in the golf game. Ladies and gentlemen, big, big golf show with our friend Ricky Fowler.

Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. I know that there's a lot of things that can penetrate your ears. The fact that you allow us to do so, I am very thankful. Gerbil in a mug contest will be decided today by Zito. By the way, Zito is the one that handles almost all of those contests. So if you don't win, blame him. But he has a very difficult job. A lot of people listen all the way to the end of the show, and I'm very thankful for you guys.

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I'm going to have CFO Phil put in a promo code strictly for the people that listen all the way to the end of the podcast because y'all motherfuckers are the best. And I can't thank you enough. We'll be back manana. Have a good one.

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