The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 234 - Just A Married Man Bullshitting With The Boys, Jett Passan, And Dan Orlovsky About COVID Changing Life & Sports. Let's Gooo.

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys discuss the recent developments coming from the college football world where reports indicate that the Big Ten and Pac-12 are considering postponing their fall seasons, while the SEC seems to be trying to move full steam ahead. To discuss the situation, 12 year NFL Quarterback, current ESPN analyst, one of the sharpest football minds around, and friend of the show, Dan Orlovsky joins the program. Pat and Dan discuss everything going on with the college football climate and the players asserting that they want to play. They chat about what will happen if certain conferences postpone their fall seasons while some schools still decide they want to play football, why they think this could be a fracturing point for the NCAA and major conferences, what other information would need to come out to firmly cancel football at colleges, why not playing the season would be a major detriment to a lot of players who are forced to go home and lose the daily structure of a football season, and whether or not Dan thinks we'll see a lot of players being poached by schools who are trying to play (16:45-35:40). Also joining the show is friend of the program and ESPN MLB Insider, Jeff "Jett" Passan. Pat and Jett discuss how the MLB has been handling their COVID outbreaks and what is being done to make sure that games can still be played, how serious teams are about sending players home if they ignore rules and decide to go out in cities, if teams that have had several games canceled due to positive tests are going to play a full slate, whether or not he thinks the baseball season will finish, and Jett weighs in on everything happening in the NCAA with a great take that may surprise you (37:26-51:13). Don't forget to send in a picture of where you're listening to the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch. We appreciate you rocking with us day in and day out. Keep your eyes peeled for some big things coming from PMI this fall, and make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow if you haven't already. Come and laugh with us, cheers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello! We are back, fresh off a honeymoon with my wife. We had a great time. It was nice to refresh. It was nice to finally say I do to each other. You know, we had dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge our way through all these COVID protocols and guidelines. And my wife replanned the wedding like four times. We enjoyed the hell out of it. Enjoyed the honeymoon. And I kicked the dude's head off in the middle of it. You know, got to do what you got to do. A lot is happening in the sports world. A lot is happening in our world. We'll talk all about it. I can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. Obviously, you could let a lot of other things penetrate

your ear holes. The fact that you're letting us do that, I am so, so, so grateful. If you enjoyed this show today, feel free to tell a friend. If you didn't, just act like it never fucking happened. Let's get to it. I had a great week last week, and now we get back into this week,

and it's gloom and doom all over the place for sports work. I mean, college football, we've been saying this for a long time. Now, I don't like to be the guy that says, hey, I told you so, okay, because I feel as if when I speak normally I'm right. Okay, so I could be doing that all damn day if I really wanted to. But, I mean, I've been wrong, obviously, plenty of occasions, plenty of occasions. But I feel like on a lot of stuff, I don't get enough credit for being right because how i deliver it is much more entertaining than how the boring people on tv talk so what we've been saying this entire time about college football

versus the nfl we've been saying that college football probably not going to happen or not looking good to happen because the people that are ultimately making those decisions don't necessarily have to love football okay Right now, if you look at what the Big Ten's happening, two of the presidents, Michigan and I forget who else, are actual doctors. They're the presidents of the universities. They're actual doctors. Now, I'm not saying they are smart, book smart. Who knows if they're street smart, but they're definitely book smart. There are two different kinds of smarts. I've never read a book in my life. I feel like I could do pretty good in some situations, but I would lose in jeopardy for sure against those people

that are book smart. But these people that are making these decisions for college football, I don't want to say that they all hate football because that would be quite a generalization and nobody wants to paint with a broad brush. Nobody wants to do that. But these people don't necessarily have to love football.

For instance, in the NFL, the people that are making the decisions on whether or not the NFL is going to happen, love football, also are very much invested in the business of football. For instance, in the NFL, the people that are making the decisions on whether or not the NFL is going to happen, love football, also are very much invested in the business of football. Let's go ahead and make this work however we can. These college campuses that are guiding these decisions and making these, the people that are making these decisions, don't, they're not in the football business. And I would argue that some of them probably hate sports to begin with. Now, that is a rude thing to say. And I'm not saying that by person. But if you look back on the war of football a couple years ago, which was a very real thing,

who was it was a lot of the academics, the doctors that were obviously care about humans more so than anybody else. And the future of these humans lives is not worth the the potential benefit of them playing now there was a real war on football and a war on sports for a little bit and who are those people those are some of the people that are going to be making decisions on whether or not football comes back this fall and nobody gives a damn about the sport in less unless their pockets are directly affected by this and that's why it's been such an interesting decision you saw the ivy league go ahead and cancel it what like a month ago now the power five conferences that make a lot of money a lot of their schools generate a lot of revenue from the football teams a lot of these

types of things happen they've been delaying they've been trying their best to kind of play zone defense kind of pack the floor let's go ahead and see how we can do this let's go and let's get back to camp uh campuses let's get some workouts let's have the freshman workout with the freshmen let's do this let's do this let's put masks on let's have social distance and we'll be able to make this work for sure we'll tell the people at the beginning how many positive tests come out of our camp and then we will stop doing that because the numbers are going to get a little bit alarming but we are going to battle through we're going to battle through we're going to battle through and now it feels like the decision that is being made by the people that aren't football people is finally

coming down and that that's college football is not going to happen now the players college football players for i don't know the last 30 years should have been a union okay and people say that they should be a union strictly because there's a lot of decisions that get made for players that players don't have any say in because they're amateur athletes right they're student human athletes and there's been a call for player unionization for years and years and years. And now with Trevor Lawrence, a man who doesn't have to play another college football season, going out and leading the charge basically about how we want to play. And then you got Justin Fields, another Heisman candidate. We want to play. And now you got athletic directors. Arkansas's athletic director says we want to play. Coaches are coming out and say we want to play. And I want to let them know, I love that they're coming together. I love that

the players are coming together. I love that the football community is coming together. That's a beautiful thing. But at the end of the day, their voices do not count or matter. The athletic director's voices don't even matter. Coaches' voices don't even matter. So the fact that the players are doing this, I love. I absolutely love it.

But at the end of the day, it is not going to matter. This is not going to matter. This is not going to matter. And it's almost like Kirk Herbstreit came on our show March 27th. And Kirk Herbstreit is a guy that we all like a lot. He's handsome. He's very good at what he does. I love the man. He came on our show and said, listen, you might as well just go ahead and cancel college football. There's no way we have college football with the way the world is right now. And we said, Herbstreit, shut up. Plenty of time. Herbstreit, football with the way the world is right now. And we said, Herbstreet, shut up. Plenty of time.

Herbstreet, I don't need your negative BS right now, okay? I was just told by the government to lock it down in my house for the next two weeks at least. I just saw March Madness get canceled. I just saw an NBA game get canceled right before it started. I heard horrifying yells from the fans in Utah whenever they were told to exit, they are safe, go home, and never come out for at least two weeks, okay?

Herbie, we don't need your negativity. But now here we are, what, three, four months later, and there is literally zero new information that we have about COVID-19. Okay, we have no vaccine, we have no cure. There is allegedly a cure, but that person was told not to ever talk again, basically. So I don't know if that's because they're wrong or if that's because that's not an accurate depiction. Now we're told that campuses or students are coming back to campuses, but football teams can't play. Then you've got the contradicting guidelines and rules of every other sport. The NBA, those guys are leaning and sweating on each other for, what, 48 minutes? Is that what it is?

Yep. Leaning and sweating on each other for 48 minutes, getting tested every single day. Don't even breathe the same air as anybody else who's not getting tested every day or every other day. They have to put masks on immediately after, can't talk to each other. The MLB can't high-five, can't spit on each other. The NFL is going to be allowed to tackle players from other cities, okay, that live in other cities,

but immediately afterwards, not allowed to sit next to their own teammates in the locker room. It's just like none of it makes sense, but here we are, August 10th, just chugging along, and college football feels like it's not going to happen. Especially with college football. I mean, I saw this morning on GetUp, Hembo put up a graphic.

It said the average power five school will lose $78 million. So even with these like presidents and stuff, they might not like football. But don't you think for there has to be some thought like, hey, we kind of need this for our university. So like this is the ultimate grandstand moment here, right? It's like, okay, $70 million. Or do we care about humans more than anybody else cares about humans in the future of humans more than anybody else cares about the future of you i mean this is a moment where and you're gonna hear i i didn't watch a lot of uh espen last week my lady and

i kind of disappeared for a little bit you know uh now granted i was on get up in the middle of my honeymoon and that was a conversation that was uh had with my wife and i obviously she did not love it but she did not hate it either though she actually kind of was enjoyed by i mean i got a call from room service in the middle of my head with get up and somebody knocking on my door at the same time so and the phone i mean there was a lot going on so i think think she enjoyed all that. But I didn't watch a lot last week. Was a lot of the pundits talking about how the players safety and how the players are scared and the players, college players don't want to play. Is that something that was a narrative that was being spun?

I mean, maybe a little bit, but it didn't seem like they were really hammering that home last week either. So is that why I wonder why the players wanted to come out? And I would assume the players just want to come out and say, like, hey, we don't have a voice normally in this particular thing because we're college athletes, so the universities control when we talk. The universities control how we tweet. The universities control how we do everything. I just want to let everybody know that we want to play here.

Like, we understand that there is risk. We understand there's inherent risk in the game of football, and we want to play. And I just – I'm excited to hear the reaction from the people on tv that were maybe out here talking about how the players are scared and players don't want to be this and the players don't want to be that if that was happening i don't know if it was the pac-12 had the thing where like a couple players started the coalition but that was before your wedding that was a couple weeks ago and then it really wasn't until like last

night or this weekend that the other conference players started to like really join into it it seems you know what the interesting thing is here you know we know nothing right now okay and i did a little bit of a dive there during my first reaction to this thing but if you go back to when that game in utah was canceled when mark cuban got that text message that the nba the NBA was suspended. When March Madness was thought about being postponed, and then it was canceled. And then we were locked in our houses for two weeks.

And then it was a month. Then it was a month and a half. Then it was two months. Then it was, will the MLB go into a bubble? Will the NBA go into a bubble? The AFL comes back in Australia, gives us a little something. And then soccer comes back in England and rugby's coming back in New Zealand.

But we are now at the point where any league could get shut down at any time. The MLB could get shut down at any time and everybody would be like, yep, that's the right thing to do. Some people would be like, yep, that's the right thing to do or not. The NBA could potentially,

if there is an outbreak there, who knows what's going to happen. I mean, we know nothing about the world that we're currently in we know nothing about how to to beat this thing and we're four months into this thing and we're just sitting around hoping that college football happens when it very clearly will not be happening but i don't think this is going to change anything with the nfl other than the potential scheduling of games on saturdays which we also talked about months ago which would be awesome thursday night saturday night, Sunday night, Monday night, NFL football. I don't want to say I'm pumped up about it, but it would happen if college football does

get canceled. Well, and it doesn't make sense because like you said, I think we were operating under the assumption that they weren't separating football at all. So they were just saying it's not safe for the students to come back. So football can't play. But now a lot of these people are they're moving students into dorms. And even like some schools that are doing it a little differently it's like okay well only graduate students and freshmen will come in well how big is an incoming freshman class at a state school it's still

massive well and then think about like for clemson for instance trevor lawrence was talking about this they're doing online classes only i guess until september 21st or something like that so you're gonna send those dudes home? Is that what's going to happen? Because, I mean, I understand you hear about stories from the NFL guys who come from very, very rough neighborhoods and tough conditions. Now, times that by 10, because that's how many people in college that play college football, right? You got to remember there's such a small amount of people make it to the NFL

and you hear their stories and you're like, damn, that guy came from what? He used to do what? And blah, blah, blah, all that. Like, yeah, there's some incredibly hardship situations that happen for a lot of college football players, a lot of college football, but I'm not saying everybody obviously can't paint a broad brush, but for like, for the Clemson guys who come from, you know, neighborhoods that are not great, they're getting sent back in there. And how's the medical there? How is the social distancing practice going to be there? It's like, do the presidents only care about what happens under their watch so that saves

them from lawsuits in the future? Or do they actually care about the student human athlete in a situation that they're coming from and going to and knowing that if they potentially go home, there's a chance that they A, maybe never come back, or B, end up in a situation that they're not supposed to be in that could be even worse than this. So it is a wild scene in college football. And ultimately, people are going to make decisions to cover their ass now, cover their ass in the future. And ultimately, because they know nothing about the world that we're in, it all depends on who you get your facts from. You can get complete contradicting facts from two different places if you want to

and if you only look at one place it's like okay this is the facts this is the world but then if you only look at this place this is the facts this is the world and then if you're smart which you should be by the way you look at both sides you're like damn nobody knows the thing i have no idea i have no clue what's right what's wrong all i know is if they have to put up plexiglass in the NFL locker room so guys can't actually talk to each other or touch each other in locker rooms and they're going to be able to go tackle each other 17 weeks or whatever, I'm here for it. Whatever numbers happen to make that happen, I'm here for it.

But obviously, I hope everybody stays safe. 20 minutes after the hour, we have to get to a break. It's insane. Yeah. Can't send them home. There's so much more to do when you're home than go online and do a class. Like, come on. College is supposed to be a place where you shape yourself.

Like, a lot of college athletes, if it wasn't for college football and college basketball and baseball. Lacrosse. Not lacrosse, right? Because that's the whitest sport I've ever seen in my entire life. The whitest, privileged sport I've ever seen in my entire life. Lacrosse, by the way. It's growing.

Sport of the future. It's growing into richer communities. Perhaps. I enjoyed the... I watched some clips of the finals thing thing the the whip the whip snakes the whip the drip snakes back to back yeah not bad not bad the drip snakes yeah let's talk about for college athletics when i got to wvu and i met some of my teammates i mean man that was that was a crash course in life and how it could be and a lot of those guys obviously didn't make the nfl

and a lot of those guys i assume went make the nfl and a lot of those guys i assume went right back to the same streets i mean i have i have probably four ex-teammates that are currently incarcerated for numerous charges five four five maybe six i haven't really kept up with enough i mean it's just not great there's a real world out there that exists where a lot of these guys come from that they're trying to escape and get out of and bring others alongside them and if you just think like yeah can't be on campus let's send them back in there it's like are you really helping them i don't know are you helping yourself though from a future lawsuit i guess for sure because if 10 years down the road we found out covet 19 is just an absolute savage on the body. I mean, which we don't know. We have no idea.

We have no clue. None. Here we are four months later, staying in the house two weeks. We'll figure it out. Four months later, we still have no clue what's going to happen with anything. But we'll keep chugging along

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Smooth transition, winning awards for that type of stuff. Joining us now is a man who is a longtime NFL quarterback. Now he dominates the screen on ESPN. His hair looks stupendous. His mouth says some things that are dumb every once in a while, but usually very, very intelligent. Former teammate of mine, ladies and gentlemen, ESPN legend, Dan O'Loughlin. Yeah, Dan!

Woo! Oh, look at that. Hey, you had one piece off this morning on Get Up, and the boys and I were talking about it. Sometimes I do that on purpose, just to have a little curl that'll dangle somewhere. When you've got this, easy. Oh, my God.

What's the shirt? Who are we plugging here on the shirt? Well, this is Goff. Jared Goff's shirt. His foundation. You think he's good at football? I do. Really?

Kind of ruined the Rams, didn't he, whenever they paid that guy? I would say paying other people had more impact, you know know and also not making the first round pick over four years hurts you a little bit but uh i think golf is super accurate super accurate he'll be fine dude he was a lot better than people said last year a lot better their offensive line stunk jeez yeah we're friends with some of those offensive linemen one of those offensive linemen was the first guy in the nfl to get coronavirus maybe get off their ass a little

bit that was a glazer bomb out of nowhere he got he got coronavirus after the season well we don't know because we don't know anything about coronavirus but that leads us to this point let's talk about it dan heard you this morning on espn on get up talking about the college football season we have been saying here for a couple months on this particular show um that the people that are making the decision for college football aren't necessarily people that are 100 football fans i mean these are people that uh they have to look out for the rest of the campus they got everything else going on football is kind of on the back burner as opposed to the nfl which only cares about the business of football and football in your eyes

the players saying hashtag we want to play means nothing but i like that they've come together do you see any chance that college football happens oh absolutely yeah i do because i think that there are we've all kind of detailed the economic impact, right? And the reality of what those things are. There's already presidents coming out from institutions saying, oh, I support that we want to play players. Like there's already presidents, the president of Wake Forest has already come out and said, all right, well, I'm with them.

The athletic director of Arkansas has come out and said it. The head coach of Arkansas has come out and said it. The head coach of Arkansas has come out and said it. So here's my think that. I'm not a doctor, all that. A lot of the evidence, a lot of the data says cases are not incredibly impactful to that age group, right? That's just what the CDC has told us, the 18 to 24 year old age group. what the CDC has told us, the 18 to 24 year old age group. So if you're going to cancel the college football season, if you're a power five conference, it has to be for a reason other than just cases. You've got to get some medical information that says it's not necessarily the coronavirus right now, but the impact it will have on you and potentially your heart 10 years from now. If you get that medical information, then this isn't a conversation.

Like this is, we're done. You cancel the season. But if you are just basing it off of, well, infection rate, then yeah, I think there's going to be conferences that go, we're going to surge forward because NBA has, Major League Baseball was done 10 days ago. they're staying afloat pga tour has kbo baseball has ufc has now they all got certain bubbles but they've all made it work in some capacity so i think these conferences will look at it and unless there's long-term information that comes available they're going to play, we're two guys who aren't doctors, but let's talk about, if it is the 10-year effect,

and they're like, well, we don't know what's going to happen 10 years from now if people get it, how long are they going to cancel everything then? Because we won't be able to find out what the 10-year effect is until what? 10, 20, 30? 20, 30, yeah. So I don't know how this works. And you're a lot more optimistic about it than i am i think because that the presidents they have to cover their ass the people that are

making these these decisions have to cover their ass completely for future lawsuits current lawsuits any everything like that and i don't know how they get it passed i don't know how they do it happens if what happens if the players who are part of the we want to play movement sign a sign a waiver that says you know, I Know what happens like that's my thing like will they do that will this new player power? Do something like that because I get both sides of it and I texted you this morning It's not as black and white as a lot of people are making it out to be. This is very nuanced and there's a lot of unknowns to it. My thing is this, if there's going to be a medical

expert that comes to me and tells me we have this data that tells us there is long-term heart complications or issues tied to the coronavirus, then the answer is an easy decision for these conferences. We don't know what that would be, obviously, in the future. But then if you can't, if you're not going to tell me that, then why am I canceling? Because the CDC data tells us that the cases aren't incredibly impactful. Dan, Dan, you got to remember, people are getting all their information from either right here or right here. And this information, by the way, is completely different than what this information is giving out right here. It is insanity right now what's going on. And that's where the NCAA has been a complete and utter embarrassment.

Forever. Oh, you're talking about right now. Forever. Oh, just right now. But like, I asked this this morning. How does one conference have this medical expert and another conference have another medical expert? Like, what happens if I don't agree with that person?

Or I don't agree with that person? Like, what happens if these medical experts disagree? Who gets to make the decision? And so I think that's been an utter failure. Listen, there's also this, and I got a lot of flack for this, but the players have spoken out and said, dude, if I was an 18-year-old kid and I had eight hours a day of freedom, I'm going to make a lot of stupid decisions.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to make a lot of dumb decisions. And so I think a lot of these kids have realized, like, dude, the structure that we get, the time management that we get, the forcing me to do things that I don't want to do, like that's healthy for me. That's why these kids were seeing at least some form of a season or football structure.

We had a source here in Indianapolis because this is where the NCAA headquarters are. We have a couple of sources that potentially own the properties that the NCAA own. And we have been told that there was a lot of activity over the last day or two at said headquarters. So I assume that Mark Emmert and the NCAA

and their medical people and their advisors are trying their absolute best to figure this out because of how much money is on the line, but also having to think about the potential optics of it if they go back, but one conference doesn't. Because Big Ten and Pac-12, they're saying things and they're doing things, right? the potential optics of it if they go back but one conference doesn't because big 10 and pack 12 they're make they're saying things and they're doing things right and the big the big 10 i guess they had a vote dan patrick came out this morning and said one of his sources said that they had a

12 to 2 vote not to play and the two that said yes were iowa and nebraska were like we'll play the other 12 said no and i assume that would be presidents as opposed to athletic directors because athletic directors are like yeah let's hey let's figure it out. Presidents are like, let's do it different. It seems like there's mixed messages coming from everywhere, from your world in the ESPN world, because you're around a lot more people that have sources deeper than us. Is there a chance that one particular conference potentially plays and another conference doesn't?

And how does that affect everything? Absolutely. I think, Pat, I think there's the chance from what I've heard that there might, like Iowa and Nebraska, they might get pulled into the Big 12 then if they want to play. Like, you know what I'm saying? Their presidents might go, we'll go join this conference for this season. Or if the Pac-12 votes no and, I don't know, USC wants to play or Oregon wants to play. Can they join the SEC for a conference? I absolutely can see that being a situation. So, you know, my question is this

for the I want to know why I want to know why you are voting no season. That's like there needs to be way more transparency right now and if i'm a parent of a kid i want to know why as well so dude i think i i think we could see uh in the next 48 hours some very interesting things happen i don't because the sec i think the sec is going to do everything they possibly can to play. Well, it's different. It's different. Schools that are appealing to them, that are in conferences that aren't playing, I can see them going, come join our conference for a year.

And then what happens after this year? And then who knows? Yeah, but here's the thing, Pat. And you know this. You did games for a year, right? Yeah. I can count on less than that finger, one finger, how many Power Five coaches I've talked to that want to be a part of the NCAA.

This could be the beginning of all these Power Five programs. Here we go. Yeah. Here we go. Now the Rock's going to have competition because the XFL is now going to have to compete with institutions that already have stadiums, already have facilities, already have everything, already have fan bases.

So the XFL was about to have a resurgence. Yes! No! With $15 million purchase. But I've said, and you and I have probably been on the same side of this thing for a long time, if those dudes could figure out how to make it a business, they would go into business for themselves immediately. 100%. And that's what they want.

And they don't trust. The Power 5 coaches, most of them, don't trust the NCAA. Don't like the NCAA. They want to be on their own. And so is this going to be the thing that kind of is the genesis of that all? Because what happens

if the Pac-12 cancels and Oregon plays in the SEC and Iowa and Nebraska play in the SEC and all of a sudden they pull it off and it's a success, they're going to sit back and go, hey guys, this is pretty good. Why the heck are we going to keep doing what we've been doing? It's pretty good, isn't it? Mark Emmert's a stooge. We don't have to deal with that guy.

And also, by the way, we can recruit, what, on Saturdays in the middle of certain days. And also, if we get a guy, maybe we get him a car. We could still pay him a little bit. We can run this thing as a business. That's a massive ordeal. Okay? That is a massive ordeal. But unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures.

If this is what's going to make that happen happen now we're staring down a whole new world and do you think the presidents that are potentially voting no who might not love football have even that type of forethought like oh we might lose our entire operation here absolutely i but that but here's my thing do those i think the question for the presidents a lot is or is this that do you want the burden of the financial, um, the financial hammer that's going to get dropped 60, $70 million? Or do you want the burden of potential lawsuit down the road? Like that's, I think that's where these presidents, um, are being forced to make a decision potentially with the information they're gathering. But at the end of the day, their leadership is very cowardly. It's very cowardly.

No, it is. You either have information that is telling you you should not do this or you don't. Hey, I like it. You just called a bunch of people cowards, and, hey, I'm all about that type of thing, you just going out there and spending, especially with that hair day that you're having right now, you do what you got to do, Dan.

No, that's me being honest like you either have the information that you should that the that that on your heart the best decision is for the players not to play or you don't like and hold on and i thought i talked about this and i think you probably feel the same exact way like these clemson guys are only doing online classing and trevor lawrence kind of uh hinted at this. You've been in college locker room. I've been in college locker room. That was quite an eye-opening experience about what life could potentially be like for humans that grow up in America, right?

A lot of my teammates in college, whenever I was first introduced to them, they would explain to me where they come from. I got a chance to go back to some neighborhoods where my guy a lot of the guys come from and see it and it's like all right so now you're taking people out of the football organization that they potentially could change their entire family's trajectory right now you're sending them back into these neighborhoods back into these situations and there's who knows what's gonna happen will they be socially distancing probably not is the medicine there anywhere near where it should be probably not is there going to be things to do now that could potentially get them in trouble as opposed probably i mean there is a lot of that goes into it like do you care about the human student human athlete or do you care about the potential uh covering of your ass for down the road i mean there is a lot to grandstand on here and people

are gonna have to make this decision dude pat kylan hill who plays tailback for mississippi state great player great kid his tweet this morning said I don't want to go back to my hometown. I know what's there for me. I know what the people that are going to be around there. Like, that's a real thing that a lot of people aren't talking about. A great player is telling you, I need this. I don't want to go home. It's not good for me there.

Like, there's a lot of kids who go to college to play college football and choose where they go to get away from those very things that they know will hold them back. And Justin Fields, and maybe it's not directly to him, but he said too much work is put in. And I always bring this point up. A lot of these kids haven't worked for six months. They've worked for 10 years for this. So if you're a senior and you're a kid that's going i'm a i'm

a second round pick right now i want to become a top 10 pick i need this year i need this year or or dan even more so a guy who's probably not going to make the league chance to make the league i mean that that's even more second round of first round those guys are still making money but there's a lot of people that in their last year, their senior year, I mean, there is a lot on the line here for the student human athletes. But, hey, you never know what's going to happen with the COVID. Here we are four months later after a two-week hiatus at the house, is what we were told, and we still don't know a single thing about it.

What's up, Ty? Dan, given, like, what you said about Kylan Hill and everything, do you see a situation where, like,'s say usc does decide to cancel the season where like some sec teams would maybe poach some of those players for a year that's gonna i mean that would have to be something that the ncaa is gonna have to grant transfer eligibility right away you know like so do i see that happening absolutely you know like it's it's going to be tried i would imagine that coaches already have a list the coaches already have a list of if this team or this conference cancels we're calling this player this player giving him the

opportunity dan patrick just said uh he was told an hour ago that the big 10 and pac-12 will cancel their football seasons tomorrow the acc and the Big 12 are on the fence, and the SEC is trying to get teams to join them for a season. So to your exact point, the SEC, where it's considered different here, they could potentially be looking around at other conferences that are canceled and be like, yeah, they have a great fan base and a good team. Let's go ahead and try to get them in here. All right, they've got a good team and a good fan base.

Let's go ahead and get them in here and the sec could just be college football this season and that is wild to think about because in 10 years from now when the lawsuits come who's going to get hit who's going to be affected more the schools that opted out of playing football and lost their teams to other conferences or the people that played and potentially got their kids i mean there is a lot to dissect here we have to get to a break for radio will you stick around for one question for youtube i got for you of course let's go to break on radio we'll be back on the other side to wrap up hour one jet passing mlb insider for espn will be joining us at 11 a.m sharp to talk about the mlb

powering through this female COVID-19 a bitch. Dan. Yeah. This is just for me, you, and you too. Pat, you're very good at what you do. No, I usually miss those hard outs in a very regular basis. I don't know what that means. Yeah, I normally miss them.

Let's talk about this, Dan. Okay, so if there's no college football, which the SEC is probably not going to let happen, which is good news. A lot has happened here in our last 20-minute conversation. Shout out to the SEC. We owe SEC. Just rolling the dice. Student human athletes, let's hope they're safe,

but if they get it done. But let's say that means the SEC will be on Saturday primetime. Saturday will just be an SEC day. But let's just say that the SEC doesn't happen somehow. Whatever happens, happens. And the NFL moves to primetime football on Thursday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, and Monday night. Do you think you potentially get a chance to do Saturday night football

since you didn't get Monday night football, or what? What do you think? I don't know because I would imagine Herbstroop becomes part of the NFL conversation. True. So that'll be part of it. And then Fox is going to have their crew. Like what happens? Do they do something with Joel Klatt?

You know, so I don't know. Maybe not on network television. Dan, I want to let you know, our entire office here is voting for you pretty heavily. Once my name was very clearly removed from the mix, our entire office was like let's get our guy orlovsky in there i think you would have done a great job too dan and now is not the time but at some point it will come whenever your beautiful hair gets in

that booth and i can't wait for it thank you bud you know i you know i appreciate that i thought so too uh i voiced my opinion over the last week to the people who needed to be voiced too but uh they made their decision so and there's literally nothing you could do right like there's literally nothing you could do that that is a very interesting it's a very interesting position to be in there wherever you're just like looking around because in football okay in football you work to get better you get better okay you can compete okay who gets it here we go in this particular world it's just like yo you gotta sit and fuck it back and just let somebody else make that decision because he's gonna do it fucked up dan it's not

right dan dude it's and uh i didn't know friendships carried as much weight as they do oh all right all right let's just get all right dan we you later. That'd be a walk-off right there. I mean, that was very insightful and very deep. I want to let you know we appreciate your friendship here. You're the best, dude. You too. Ladies and gentlemen, future Monday Night Football commentator, Dan Rolano. Yes, Dan!

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Another situation that you have to keep an eye on, especially if you're an NFL fan, is what has been happening in the MLB. I believe there has been 7000 reported cases of COVID-19 and the MLB is still powering through. Nobody expected it out of Rob Manfred, but somehow they've been able to figure it out. For better or for worse, to talk about that, our MLB insider from ESPN, good friend of the show, Jet Passer. Yeah, boy, Jet playing!

Jet, you look amazing. Thank you for joining us. I assume your life is insane right now trying to keep up with all the cases of COVID in the MLB. It's unbelievable. And it's unbelievable because we saw what happened with the Miami Marlins, and you figured that that was going to be like a warning shot, you know, that people were going to get that this thing is very transmissible and it can really harm your season and now the st louis cardinals haven't played since uh july 29th and i have no idea when they're going to be playing next and you got

cleveland indians pitchers who are leaving the hotel to go kick it in chicago and uh end up getting sent home and like zach plesak who had just pitched really well on saturday went out in chicago saturday night indians found out about it and and sent him home they didn't even like Like Zach Plesak, who had just pitched really well on Saturday, went out in Chicago Saturday night. Indians found out about it and sent him home. They didn't even, like, let him go. They were like, no, dude, you've got to get a car and drive back to Cleveland. Jeez. So I assume that's a warning shot to not only,

and I think I saw you tweet about this, not only to other players for the Cleveland team, but also for the entire MLB about, hey, this is probably how we should handle this. If we want to be able to be a self-governing body, which is what they have to be, both individual, the players and the teams to do so, this may be the drastic measures. But to the MLB's credit, they have probably gotten a lot more COVID cases than they imagined they were going to get.

And they are still playing right now. Is that the idea that you're hearing is like's like, hey, it does not matter. We are going to have this season regardless. I think once the Marlins outbreak hit and baseball just pushed right through that, like, you know, they lost more than half of their big league roster and they were like, you know, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, we are going to power on through this.

That it was clear at that point that baseball's MO is we are going to try to finish this season. And then the Cardinals outbreak happens. And it's just like, okay, we've dealt with this before. We've seen this. We're going to reschedule a bunch of games. We're going to try to figure out. But the Cardinals are, they're a little bit different from the marlins pat because they actually went and traveled to you know what i've lost track of where they are these days i don't know they traveled though and then had two more cases uh

pop up on the team another case after that so they have to shut down for another three to five days and who knows at what point they're going to be able to come back. Now Rob Manfred, the commissioner, has to look at them and say, okay, you're not going to play 60 games this year. So either we're going to use your winning percentage to determine whether you make the playoffs, or we're just going to keep you out of the playoffs altogether. And I heard from a player last night who said,

if the Cardinals play 45 games, 15 games less than we're playing, and end up in the playoffs instead of us because of winning percentage, that is a load of something I can't say because I work for ESPN. But you can fill it in because this is your show. Yeah, you're talking about a load of grumpy, a load of doo-doo, a load of crap, a load of deuce. Yeah, all that. You're talking about a load of, which a load of doo-doo a load of crap a load of uh dookie deuce yeah all that you're talking about a load of which i can't say actually because we're on uh westwood one radio station we are we are you're damn right we are the um the pga commissioner whenever brooks kepka's caddy

came out with covet 19 and brooks kept um withdrew from the tournament that weekend he had a press conference and everybody thought the pga commissioner was going to say like uh since our cat one caddy got it we're going to shut this down instead the pga commissioner came out and said listen this is going to happen we got to be able to move on this is just what we're going to do and i think the pga i have not gotten official numbers from the pga but they might have their best day yesterday especially morikawa taking over but by the way he's very very good so they have had nothing the MLB I think is living along that same exact concept it's like hey listen this is going to happen we're just going to power through this is the way it goes how much do you think the MLB's outbreak

is affecting college football decision making right now and potentially NFL because those are the most similar operations because they're going to have to move around. I think that college football right now is looking at Major League Baseball and saying that if we are going to be traveling, if we are going to be moving around, and if also we're going to be doing it in a contact sport, then we are going to get positive cases. And it's not only the fact that in college football, you have the contact sport or you have the travel. What you also have is a completely unfettered environment in which COVID can run rampant because you're going to be going to classes. You're going to have other students.

There are going to be parties. You know, there are just so many elements in college football that make containing it difficult though i will say this and and i saw this i saw this tweet yesterday i think uh i don't exactly remember who it was from but about college football i understand stay in your lane on baseball jeff but but the idea that college football right now is trying to shut things down specifically because of COVID, I don't know that I fully buy that. I think college football is frightened about what athletes are doing and the ownership that they're taking of themselves as a product and someone who, by and large, is being just milk dry when billions of dollars are being made on their backs.

And you saw what Trevor Lawrence came out with yesterday, and you see what all these other athletes, student athletes, you know, student athletes are doing right now. I think that college football is frightened at the revolution that's coming and is using this time right now in COVID almost as an excuse to try and get their ducks in a row to fight this. Wow. Wow. Pat, hold on a sec.

I'm going to show you something. I don't know if you remember this. Please do. You were playing in the NFL at this point. I wrote a book called Death to the BCS. Here we go jet i have i have been on the college is uh college sports are just the worst train for a long time and college sports aren't the worst because of the sports themselves they're the

worst because of the people who make money on the backs of these athletes who are doing great things on a daily basis, because of people who are running bowl games, getting paid half a million dollars a year, a million dollars a year for one game, because of the conference commissioners, because of the ADs, because of all the people who get rich. people who get rich and the student athletes are the ones who are getting educations yes that's great but they are bringing in so much money right now and they want to get fairly compensated and you know what the truth is they deserve it jet incredible take there i did not know you had another book i knew you wrote the arm which was a bestseller i would assume death of the bcs was as well back whenever that was happening the bcs i always wondered how the ncaa was allowed to regulate anything because they sold their right to name a champion to the bcs how the ncaa was allowed to regulate anything because they sold their right to name a champion to the bcs right the ncaa literally sold their right to decide declare who was a champion and everything like that how are they yeah i mean regulate everything i don't

know i think i mean no the whole thing the whole thing's a cartel you know i i don't know if you've had have you had dan wetzel on on this program before uh i don't think so the pretzel uh on this program before? I don't think so. Pretzel. Dan, Dan Wetzel is my former colleague at Yahoo Sports and the co author and really the brains behind this book. And he knows more about college sports and about just how corrupted it has been for a long time. I urge you to have him on the show to

talk about this. If what's all if what if you to have him on the show to talk about this if wetzel if what if wetzel will come on the show i'm for it and i think he'll be excited in now granted you're a baseball insider and i don't want you to have to stay in your lane here but it does feel like the players college players are starting a union for the first time in yeah ever right this has been a conversation for like when i was in school there was still a conversation about us how we should start a union and before that there should be a union and players should have a voice and then the entire what was that lawsuit with the uh game uh o'bannon o'bannon i got like 400 bucks for that i mean it was

it was that whole lawsuit thing that happened and then now there's the name image and likeness uh that ncaa is trying to keep up with because the world's moving along but from what i'm being hearing the sec is potentially about to be the only league that's going to happen and they're going to be plucking teams and players potentially and this could be the time that a conference looks at the ncaa and says nah see you later yep we are going to move forward let's talk about baseball though before we let you go and we can't thank you enough for this is baseball going to finish the season has it proved that baseball will finish this season by any means necessary? No, I'm not there at this point that it's going to, because listen, I think all it takes is a pair of outbreaks at the same time.

And listen, since the Cardinals, there hasn't been, you know, I don't think there have been any positive tests in baseball outside of the Cardinals over the last week. But it's, it's always there. And that's the scariest part week. But it's always there. And that's the scariest part about this. It's always there. It's always lurking. It takes one mistake from someone.

It may not even be a mistake from someone. You may go home and your grandma, who you lived with, may have gone out and brought COVID back. I mean, there are so many different scenarios where this thing completely can fall apart uh baseball is going to try and push through it but there has to be a breaking point i just hope that we don't find out what it is um astros athletics they fight each other we find out no covet is exchanged there will they let the managers fight with the umpires and the players fight with each other a little bit more?

No chance. There is going to be a nuclear suspension coming for Alex Cintron, the Astros' hitting coach, who went all like... Who goes like this? Is it like Adam Cole

with you? Like that? That is kind of what he did, didn't he? Night, night! Well, he he did that he did that to tie us colitis had to get a new chair to support his back because adam cole pushed him we still have broken heads at thousands of dollars worth of damage then i go make hey i make right with him by the way doing commentary he comes over pops off assaults me with a bottle then i had to kick his head off his body. I almost dropped an F-bomb there. Can I just say this?

My son, who is an enormous Pat McAfee fan. Here we go. Smart kid. Not just that. Not just an enormous Pat McAfee fan, but was legitimately even more depressed than I was when you barred me for the show because you thought I ghosted you. Well, you did. That was not alleged or a thing.

You did ghost us. You did ghost us. He watched. Yeah, that didn't happen. He watched your punch. He watched your punch at least 10 times. He's like, replay it. Replay it.

Replay it. I got to see McAfee going to the leg. I mean, that's your go-to move right well is there a move in wrestling that is stronger than the Pat McAfee punt nope well Randy Orton does a punt and he's a legend killer he's done for a long time so I would never ever want to put myself into that category because he's potentially greatest of all time working his way towards that right now but I'll tell you what this thing has kicked his soccer ball 124 miles an hour before.

And it will bust your mouth! Alright, Jet, thank you so much, man. Stay safe over there. Keep covering baseball. We hope that it finishes because everybody else is watching Rob Manfred seeing what they're doing. I think college football is going to be a new world. Maybe there will be a union. Maybe the NCAA will be

gone. Maybe the Astros and Athletics will lead to more fighting in baseball and there's a lot that could happen ladies and gentlemen our favorite baseball insider wearing a camel's shirt yeah connecticut college camels oh con college oh cool i thought there's camel cigarettes no i wouldn't do that come on well we have a guy from new england who would do that college stinks by the way uh why how do you know anything about uh connecticut college i don't my wife got this at a thrift store and brought her home throw it out ladies and gentlemen jet passing i'm gonna pop some tags only got twenty dollars in my pocket I'm going to pop some tags.

Only got $20 in my pocket. Macklemore used to be a thing. Oh, yeah. You remember when Macklemore? Just like college football. Dude, this is going to be another minor league type operation here. You said during a break, like G League for the NBA. Yeah, exactly. The XFL was supposed to be that, but the NFL wouldn't dance with them at all, right?

I think they wanted to see at least a season succeed. Coronavirus comes in, knocks it out. Plus, the person i was handing out nachos in seattle that had it out there but now the rock buys it for 15 million dollars everybody's like i think he also has to pay back all the people that were filing uh grievances with the xfl whenever it went bankruptcy so i think it's not just 15 million dollars for that you also have to pay a bunch of other stuff which by the way for the rock and the investment group is next to nothing the people have billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars that are investing in that but now they're gonna have competition with who the sec because the sec could potentially turn

us into their own league what a wild august 10th all right all right little jet pass in action or lovsky little life talk little this little, not a bad little Tuesday, we're back on Thursday, from all of us to all of you, we are so incredibly thankful for you, big things are on the horizon, obviously, I got a match in 11 days, okay, I'll be wrestling another human in 11 days, can't embarrass myself, Got to get a win. Okay? Got to get a W. Can't lose.

Cannot be defeated in wrestling. Have to be undefeated in wrestling. I beat a guy named War Pig back in the day in IWA East Coast. Kicked his head off as well. Pinned him one, two, three. Me and Nick Miraldo and CFO Phil ran out the back door. That was like 13 years ago. But now, NXT TakeOver, August 22nd, SummerSlam weekend. Here we go. Can't lose. Cannot lose.

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