The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 241 - A Unifying Thursday With Jeff Fisher, Dan Orlovsky, & Legend, AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 27, 2020

On today's show, Pat addresses the events that have unfolded in Kenosha, Wisconsin with Jacob Blake and where things go from here, as we attempt to bring you a unifying, feel good show with some good messages. First, Super Bowl Champion, 22 Year NFL Head Coach, a man who possesses one of the greatest mustaches alive, Jeff Fisher joins the program. Pat and Jeff chat about a FanDuel fantasy football contest that he's excited to be a part of and how it differs from traditional fantasy football. They also discuss the impact an NFL locker room can have and why they both think society needs a little bit more of that right now. Jeff also tells some hilarious stories from his time coaching, and chats about whether or not he has the itch to get back on the sideline (3:28-30:13). Next, 12 Year NFL veteran at Quarterback, ESPN NFL analyst, and one of the newest co-hosts of NFL Live, friend of the show, Dan Orlovsky joins the program. Pat and Dan chat about Mike Tannenbaum's recent comments on Get Up! that Ben Roethlisberger is the 4th best QB in the AFC North, why Dan doesn't think the Patriots are a playoff team despite acquiring Cam Newton, what the new cast of NFL Live will bring to the table, why he has some concerns with the 49ers, and why Pat inspires him (31:37-47:03). Lastly is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ cover everything going on around the NFL including the Cowboys potentially landing Earl Thomas, how much the different gameday atmospheres will potentially affect the players, whether or not the Big Ten is still officially dead, and much much more (48:07-1:34:13). We appreciate you all for listening. Subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow as we close in on 1 million subscribers and prepare for a MASSIVE giveaway. Also, don't forget to send in a picture of where you're listening to the show with the hashtag #ThisIsWhereImAtPat for the chance to win some free merch. Let's try to be better today than we were yesterday, we're all in this together. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Thursday, August 27th, 2020. I can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. There's obviously a lot going on in the sports world right now. NBA players have boycotted playoff games. MLB players have done the same. By the time we wake up, I assume other athletes and notable celebrities will have made decisions in an effort to bring conversation to the forefront about making our country great for everybody. Now, any protest is going to be uncomfortable for sure. And I think just a couple of months ago, we were a country that was very unified after watching a video damn near nine minutes long of a man named George Floyd getting killed

by an officer of the law. I think everybody, no matter where you're from, saw that video, especially in the world that we're in with the quarantine and everybody being locked in their house in a worldwide pandemic happening, saw that and wanted to rally around each other to make our world and our country as good as it possibly can be for every one of our citizens. Conversations continued, then it kind of disappeared for a little bit, and I do believe that race relations were heightened through the entire George Floyd sad situation. Now, just a couple days ago, in Wisconsin,

a man named Jacob Blake was shot in the back seven times while trying to get back into his car after an altercation with police. NBA players are not happy about being in the bubble. NBA players are not happy about potentially not being able to protest and show the country where they stand. I believe these men taking a stand and the ladies of the WNBA and MLB players is another beautiful opportunity for us to have conversations about

how we can make this country better for everybody. I'm all about harmony. I'm all about understanding that although the outliers steal all the attention, I believe the large majority of humans want to be in this thing together. And I hope we will always be there for people. this thing together. And I hope we will always be there for people. I hope we will be a show that will put a spotlight on the goodness that we have. I hope our show will continue to be a home for people to feel welcome no matter where the hell you are from or where the hell you represent. I hope this show

continues to be a unifier and lets everybody know we're in this damn thing together. And today's a great day to have a conversation with people. Today's a great day to look around. Today's a great day to reflect and say, hey, what can we do to make this country cooler for everybody? I can't thank you enough for choosing to listen. We got some good conversations.

Jeff Fisher and I dive into the locker room, which I hope is something that can trickle its way out into regular life and regular society. The locker room is a diverse place. A lot of economic backgrounds, race backgrounds, religious backgrounds, all coming together for one cause, all coming together for one goal, putting everything aside and saying, hey, we're in this together. That's what a locker room is.

And I think it's a beautiful time, a perfect time for our country to do the same damn thing. We're in this together. We always will be. Let's get this thing started. Ladies and gentlemen, here on behalf of FanDuel's Fantasy Football Best Ball, draft 20 players and go ahead and forget it for the rest of the season. They'll just pick those who scored the most for your team. Ladies and gentlemen, legendary NFL coach and Super Bowl champion player, Jeff Fisher.

Oh, no. Is he muted? Mr. Fisher, if you could unmute your mic, I believe your mic might be muted. It might be us too, Coach, to be honest. It might be us. I'm not 100% sure. This is Zito, by the way, getting himself out of blame for the Zito production going over the show like that.

How's that? Yeah! There we go, Coach! Oh, my gosh! how's that yeah coach coach i'm so excited this is a new world for me man come on give me a break hey yeah you didn't you didn't know this but um most of my players knew i don't hear in one ear it's a birth defect and uh so all my life i only hear in one ear and so anytime on the sideline in fact you'll see footage I'm going like this because I can only hear who's upstairs so to get this thing working with one ear that's quite a challenge hey yeah hey coach I'm not good at technology either that's why I need a Zito around me to do it I wouldn wouldn't have been able to. I'm bad. You've got more than the group there. I looked when you just was dialing in there,

and then there's eight or ten people helping you. I didn't know you needed all this help. I'm a team guy, Coach. I'm a team guy. Oh, gosh. Well, hey, it's great to join you, Pat. I appreciate the opportunity. No problem.

Crazy times, man, the last six months but looks like things are settling down a little bit well it feels what's up nothing at all just hanging out coach i appreciate you joining us what are you up to now are you out in the mountains fly fishing right now you just having a good old time not now i came i'm back in nashville actually i've been in montana over the last couple months i came in for a week take care of some things take care of mama she had a little shoulder surgery yesterday so i got some ice on her so that that leg wrap at the wedding at late night and let those wee hours of the night by her sister took her down and that didn't the rotator cut it so so but it's all good man i came down here to nashville checking on the kids the grand

kids and i was looking forward to hooking up with you guys this morning how many years were you the So, but it's all good, man. I came down here to Nashville, checking on the kids, the grandkids. I was looking forward to hooking up with you guys this morning. How many years were you the coach for the Titans? 17, I believe you were coach for the Titans, 17 years. Yeah, yeah, I'll go back. You know, Houston, 94. Interim, five games, six games. And then full-time, 95. And then 95, 96 in Houston.

Then we moved to Tennessee, 97. So, yeah, it was a long long time well you were a staple of the titans franchise there for a long time had success had some ups had some downs but then you had to run into the buzzsaw that was peyton manning in the indianapolis colts every single and i came in at the tail end of that whole thing got a chance to watch peyton work day in and day out and i i remember being told a story and we watched the film of it you decided to kick an onside kick every single kickoff in a game do you what how did that how did that come to be and that is the greatest decision I've ever heard a coach make and how did it pan out well so we're you know it's it's Indy week it's Monday we're looking at the

tape look I get the trainer's report got two healthy corners can't go nickel got guys hurt on defense payton's putting 35 40 up every week and we were scoring some points this was you know steve had been injured and so billy volick actually was the quarterback we had group bennett we had a lot of good things going offensively but i'm sitting there looking at this tape going man i don't don't know if we can, we could score with these guys. So I started thinking, I said, you know what, we might as well just onside every time we score. For this reason, you know, if you kick, if you score and you kick the ball off deep, it's going to be three or four plays and Peyton's in the red zone. So why not spend all our week on one, onside kick recoveries,

and two, our red zone defense? And so I talked to the staff Monday, Tuesday, told the team Wednesday, and everybody's fired up, so we did. And then Saturday night, you know how those Saturday night meetings were? It's kind of one of those, all right, guys, anybody opposed to this whole thing right now, just stand up and speak. I want to hear you. And everybody was, no, let's do it.

So, yeah, I think it was four or five onside kicks. The crazy part was Marvin, he comes up on the – he's got – Tony sends the hands teams out there after about the fourth one. And Marvin Harrison's standing on their sideline during TV timeout, and he's looking at me. He goes, are you crazy? I go, no. Tony is.

Did he just send the hands team out at me he goes are you crazy i go no tony is did he just send the hands team out and he goes yeah i go well have fun blocking the r5 because i'm kicking this sucker deep so yeah we did i mean it's about you know it's about trying to find ways to you know to win games weekly and you know i you're going having some time off in the stat business and things like that i don't think anybody's ever faked more kicks or done more gimmick type things than I have, you know, over my career. But speaking of the Colt rivalries now, obviously, I'm not going to. I mean, you know who you replaced. And so Hunter's there for what, eight years, nine years.

Nine, I think. OK, when I stand up in front of the team every time we play the Colts, it's like first thing you say is, And so Hunter's there for, what, eight years, nine years? Nine, I think, yeah. Okay. When I stand up in front of the team every time we play the Colts, it's like the first thing you say is, all right, who's the most important person on this roster? And the guys will go, Hunter Smith. And you're sitting there looking at it and go, why? He says, because we've got to get him on the field.

So if he's on the field, he's punting, that's okay. If he's on the field as a holderting that's okay if he's on the field as a holder as long as it's a field goal it's okay so if we can get hunter smith on the field four to six times a game we got a chance to beat the cold everything you just said there is a reason and it kind of hammers home the fact you were known as a big-time players coach and that's like hey players love playing for jeff fisher you the night before a game time players coach and it's like hey players love playing for jeff fisher you the night before a game saying hey is everybody on board with this yeah speak or if you're not speak up no coach is going to do that if a coach makes a decision most of the time it's like hey this is what we're doing you're the listener you get the hell out you're a former

player obviously super bowl champion and a weapon in special teams for a long time do you feel as if the players coach mantra was an accurate one or did you feel as if that wasn't like a a fair way to assess your style of coaching well i didn't read a book and how to be a player's coach or anything like that it's just like things just sometimes they should come natural to you and and they did over time i mean you're talking about the saturday night meetings i mean you remember those meetings and, you know, the respect I have for the coaches that you played for. But talking to coaches early in my career, even Bill Parcells,

you know, we were just chit-chatting at the combine or something. And he's like, I go, so what's up with Saturday nights? He goes, Saturday nights, I don't even really meet. And I go, why is that? He goes, well, what are you going to say for 16, 17 straight Saturday nights, I don't even really meet. And I go, why is that? He goes, well, what are you going to say for 16, 17 straight Saturday nights if they haven't heard? And I thought, this should become a fun night. And so, oh, man, over the years, the number of guests and pranks

and fun stuff that we had Saturday nights. You know, you remember how it was. I mean, the last thing you want is a coach firing you up to get you ready to play at 9 o'clock Saturday night before a Sunday game when you want to sleep. So, oh, God. How about Herman Boone, the head coach of Remember the Titans? It was a really cool thing. You know, we were here in Nashville, and I went and got the movie,

and I cut it down to about five minutes and and i walked in and guys kind of got quiet i go hey check this out bang and i put the video on so i've condensed the remember the titans into about five minutes and the guys are like whoa and actually it was what was really cool about it back then i did speak a little bit on on the race issue because of what they were go what he was going through and remember he went to gettysburg and he did all that stuff so anyway i got five minutes of video and the guys are kind of sitting there going like oh man what's up here coach and herman boone walks in the back door oh and i introduce him to the team and the standing ovation. And then he just talked for 15, 20 minutes about those times and about the movie and about Denzel Washington.

And about actually in the movie, if you remember, it's years ago. But the friction between he and his defensive coordinator, the white black thing back then. And it was like, hey, what's up with your coordinator, man? And Herman's like, Coach Boone's like, hey, man, we're best friends. It just was a really cool thing. Then Will Jimeno, one of the two Port Authority officers that was

rescued from Tower 2. I had every time when I go to New York after 9-11, I'd have Will come in and talk to the team. Unfortunately, when I go to New York after 9-11, I'd have Will come in and talk to the team. Unfortunately, when I was with the Rams, those players, most of them didn't know what 9-11 was. But, you know, those things on Saturday nights, that's a kick, man. I mean, that's what you should do. The work's done by there, by that point.

So anyway, I got off. We have more time left? We actually, we have to go to a break for radio. Will you stick with us on YouTube through the break? I'd love to, yeah. All right, radio, we'll be back on the other side. Legendary coach Jeff Fisher, Super Bowl champion player. We'll continue the conversation at YouTube.com forward slash The Pat McAfee Show.

Clear. Coach, okay, so we are just on YouTube now, so you can do whatever the hell you want. What you were just talking about there with Remember the Titans and what's going on in our world right now, I've always said, like, if we could get some of the NFL locker room or a football locker room to kind of creep into society, it would be awesome because you've got people from all walks of life. You're a Montanimal. I mean, I'm from Pittsburgh.

You've got guys from Dade County and everything coming together for one common goal. That is the beauty of football, I think, that doesn't get talked about. So it goes back to my rookie year. You know, I grew up in Southern California. I went to USC and surfed in the morning and skied at night. And I ended up going to the Bears. And I'm, you know, I was drafted by the Bears in 81.

And Neil Armstrong was the head coach, and i thought that was an astronaut the only person i knew on the bears was walter payton and then it's been seven because i he was a trojan and in three years i'm duck hunting with walter payton i mean every day off and in our back, we came, we could have been further backgrounds, you know, when people just don't understand what the game does to all, all of that. And I mean, it was cool. I mean, my experiences, I was talking about Steve and Eddie yesterday with somebody and, you know, my relationship with Steve, I think about him all the time. And, you know, we were best friends, same with and I like what this world just needs to hear about the cool stuff that's going on in the

league and in the locker rooms as opposed to you know the stuff that came out I feel you know obviously I'm sympathetic and I get it and I feel it and and everything but how do you get these stories out and and exchanges and you know i was talking to somebody a few weeks ago um i was in st louis during ferguson and you know i mean i had a few guys go down there just and check it out out of curiosity and we brought the ferguson high school football team in because they couldn't practice. They had no field. It was destroyed. And we brought them to our facility to do, you know, to practice and play. And it's like, you know, we just need to be real about all this.

People need to talk about who their best friends in life are. It's pretty simple, and let's just not politicize everything you know i agree with you coach i i've said literally since the jump uh the george floyd murder and now what's going on in wisconsin with jacob blake the the conversation always tends to be like these people don't like these people and it's like we cannot let our worst representatives be the people that kind of represent an entire thing. Exactly. I wish so bad that a football locker room was documented. It couldn't be.

Like the show Big Brother, I wish there was some way to document what a locker room is and somehow teach society how to operate. It's just a special place. I grew up playing soccer. And then I get into the West Virginia locker room, the football locker room, and you just realize it's so a special place i grew up playing soccer and then i get into the west virginia locker room the football locker room and you just realize it's like it's so cool it is it just it's a different place speaking of west virginia not jump the subject but two of my favorite players when when i was in st louis was with tayvon and steph and freak oh my gosh did we have we have i had funny story we we drafted them, and right next to the Rams facility was a place called Verizon Amphitheater.

And so they're kicking off their concert season, and so you is, from one of the top country artists and country music who is a West Virginia. Oh, yeah. Brad Paisley. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You're talking about Paisley, right? Brad calls.

Brad calls. I knew him here in Nashville. He goes, hey, man. He goes, I'm opening at Verizon. He goes, why don't you come on out i go geez brad i got like rookie minicamp he goes no i'll just just come on out you know how you know the drill so anyway i go okay he goes how's stedman and how's tayvon i go i've met tayvon i haven't met stedman i you know our you know he's a later draft pick i did personally

interview him but they're in tonight he goes oh man if i could just meet him he goes that'd be so cool so i go on oh i go on over and i'm sitting on his bus and we're just kind of chit-chatting he goes can you bring him over so i call the director of security go hey man i go pull stedman and tayvon out of their meeting and bring him over here i'll meet you at the back gate so they come over i meet stedman for the first time and he's like this tayvon's like you know tayvon's tay, you know, Tavon's Tavon. And they go, hey, guys, come on with me. I want you to meet this dude. So anyway, we go on the bus, and Taisley's taking pictures,

and he's so excited and honored to meet these guys. And so now all of a sudden his manager goes, hey, it's time to go. And so Brad leaves and says thanks, and his dad's there, his manager's there. Brad goes up. I go, hey, guys, come on with me. I want you to check this guy out. So we go up, and we go on the side of the stage there and listen to two songs and the place is going nuts he's playing alcohol you know i guess he just goes

off with that and all that and so so i go i look oh man i gotta get you guys back to your meeting so i said let me walk you back and so i walk them out we're walking and they're just kind of looking around and i go all right be honest with me you guys ever heard this dude and they go no so i go that's cool now you do now you got a fan now you got you know how how broad this fan base is and stuff like that but yeah it's cool i wish people just i wish you could just have a moment in time in a forum just to tell fun stories like that. You know, hey, we're having it right now and I'm enjoying every single one of them from you, coach. You're here representing FanDuel for fantasy football. Best ball. I don't know how much you do the fantasy football.

I've tried to do it. It's a lot of work. And FanDuel said, hey, this best ball thing, you draft a team. We'll take care of everything else. What are your thoughts on it, and what will your team look like? Here's the background, okay? Fantasy football, while I was coaching, was a no-no. You know, you just don't. It's gambling.

And so I probably saved league memos regarding that. So I really never got into it, okay? And when I left, I mean mean to be honest with you i've been hunting and fishing and just you know and just enjoying myself and you know missing the sideline obviously trying to get back in but uh and i got a call a month ago i got a text on friday be in chicago on tuesday wants you to film this commercial i go okay shoot yeah so i wouldn't tell i was pretty much on the plane till i know what i was doing i'm i'm about two weeks in two or three weeks into like whoa whoa this is pretty cool stuff so i'm learning right now so i don't have any answers

for you other than this new concept that they're doing is pretty cool because it's getting a lot of attention so it's it's draft once. You have a better understanding than I do. So I'm still a rookie in this. I mean, I'm in my rookie minicamp in fantasy football. So help me with it. Well, hopefully somebody will pull you out of a meeting and take you to a fucking concert. You know what I mean?

I like that. You draft one time and i think i've always tried to get in fantasy because like you whenever you're playing you i wasn't allowed to do fantasy it was like kind of like hey do not be pete rose do not do fantasy do not gamble do not do anything so then i retire and the boys here love fantasy so i've tried it and i just can't do it because it's a lot of work like each week you got've got to set your lineups, you've got to do this. Fando taking all of that out of there is a wonderful thing. I think you're going to dominate because your eye for talent, Coach, your eye for talent is next level.

Well, what's interesting to me, Pat, is just talking to people, these experts, these guys who know what they're talking about. Now, I've been out for a couple years. I follow stuff that my only way of getting information other than calling a buddy, a head coach, or a GM or something like that is media. That's my source. Oh, no. But what I've come to know just in this last couple weeks,

these guys know what they're talking about. The statistics available and all these things available to these guys. I mean, my hat's off to them because it's a 24-7 prep job just like coaches, and they know what they're talking about. Now, I don't know if they can game plan and play, but they know what they're talking about. It's easy to evaluate it after and predict but in the heat of the moment that's where things get tough coach last question here we can't thank you

enough for spending time i hope your shoulder surgery and rehab is going to go well here oh oh it's julie's not mine i'm good oh you're good if somebody else is yeah well yeah it's that's my my better half yeah not mine well listen you going to have to be a hero here. I'm way past going down with a leg wrap at a wedding. Coach, last question here. I am a big fan of the show Pardon My Take, and you've been on there numerous times. And every single time a coaching opportunity opens up, they put out this incredible video about sometimes you have to go back

before you can go forward. And you just mentioned there about how you're missing the sidelines. Is that something you've been actively pursuing? Or is it like if a situation pops up, you would take like, what are the thoughts of Jeff Fisher's future? Well, I, it was a grind for a long, long time. And, you know, I walked away from the Titans mutually, because a commitment I kept to myself. You know, if I ever woke up in the morning, didn't look forward to going to work, I'd get out and I did after the 2010 season. I took 11 off, climbed Kilimanjaro. I had a bunch of fun times.

Got back with the Rams. Didn't get to finish. I kind of, you know, I'm rejuvenated, man. I mean, I've done a lot of stuff. I've fished a hundred all over the place. And I miss the sid know, I'm rejuvenated, man. I mean, I've done a lot of stuff. I've fished, hunted all over the place. And I miss the sideline, man. I miss the buses to the stadium. I miss travel.

But most importantly, I miss the players. So if there's an opportunity that comes up, I'm going to look hard at it. And incidentally, I've been the last year or so, I've been paying real close attention to college football. So, you know, if that opportunity arises, I'll look at it. But in the meantime, I have no complaints, man. I'm enjoying it. And to be able to talk ball in old times with guys like you, pretty cool.

Well, Coach, I hope to see you back on the sideline again. I think the whole world does. And I can't thank you enough for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, player in the NFL, legendary coach, and a man hopefully we'll see potentially on the sidelines soon, either college football or the NFL, Jeff Fisher. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you, Jeff.

Yeah, you too, man. Cool guy there. Awesome. Awesome. I mean, he was giving a very good answer there, and his video just got shipped right off the screen. I don't know why that happens, but what a legendary guy that guy is. He could tell stories for hours, I assume.

I would just like to share these stories somewhere. Hey, let's keep them going, coach. How about Tavon Austin and Stedman getting called out of rookie minicamp meetings? All right, come over. And Coach Fisher's like, Stedman, how's it going? Head coach, we're going to go to this guy. Nice to meet you. The onside kick thing is a legendary story within the Indianapolis Colts organization.

Literally five onside kicks to start the game. Smart idea, by the way, though. We can either give it to him at the 20 for a touchback or somewhere back there, and he's just going to two plays down there, or we can try to get this thing back and go for it. Let's go for it. Also shows how good that Colts offense was. Teams had to think of things to do like that.

Tom Brady or New England Patriots, fourth and one. That's a massive thing. Bill Belichick came out and said, we weren't going to be able to stop Peyton at the time. We're going to have to get this first down. Melvin Bullitt gets a big-time tackle. Reggie scores. We win.

Celebrate. No big deal. We're back on the other side, radio. This is the Pat McAfee Show, Wednesday, August 26th. I think I got it in there. Oh, yeah. Just said clear. Zito, what happened? You fucking just took his face right off the screen there? I believe it in there. Oh, yeah. Just said clear. Zito, what happened?

You fucking just took his face right off the screen there? I believe Gus is here, and Gus is on the line. Oh, we got Gus Malzahn joining us here in a few moments. Did Gus Malzahn? Wow. Hey, by the way, while Coach Fisher was talking about potentially being a college football coach, Gus Malzahn goes, excuse me. Get the hell out of here.

I love that. I've never seen that happen. I don't know. Now, if I'm right here, and Gus can probably hear us, and I don't want to intro him until we get back live or whatever, or we probably could, I guess, right now. Is he on right now? Auburn time.

He's slowly coming in. I think someone's logging him in right now. This is like Coach Coughlin time. This is Rich Rodriguez time. I remember in college, Rich Rod, if you weren't there five, 10 minutes beforehand, it was a scene. It was an absolute scene. It's like, well, why don't you just set the schedule for the meeting

to be 10 minutes earlier than that? If you want me to be here 15 minutes earlier, just make the meeting 15 minutes earlier. Well, because I'm teaching you about life. I'm teaching you about life. I'm like, well, I guess. I mean, a 15-minute nap would have been nice here. We're sitting here waiting for his glass to break to come into the team meeting.

It's literally like we're just waiting. Like, all right, everybody's here 15 minutes. And we were, by the way. I would like to say our team, and now hindsight, I guess, as an adult looking back, our team probably needed that type of like, hey, this is how you do life, by the way. You show up on time. You're early, the whole thing. I get it.

But it turned into us just sitting there waiting, waiting five minutes, six minutes. The meeting starts at one. It's like we're all in there by 1250, 1251. You're just sitting there. Nobody's making a sound. 1252, 1253, 1254. And then all of a sudden, and's like wake up motherfuckers rich rodriguez comes flying in i mean it was i mean i guess it taught me a lot about life but what i did carry into my

adulthood is if something starts at 1057 go ahead and see me at 1056 because i went to meetings four years uh for four years straight about 15 minutes early and a lot of wasted time i just i ain't got time for it but i did appreciate whatever he instilled in us discipline wise did you guys ever have uh guests like herman boone with uh coach fisher or no no uh so we had an admiral come in and talk to there was a couple we had a couple people come in and speak to us the night before the game an admiral came in and spoke to us uh chuck used to have an incredible story. I mean, Saturday night was showtime for Chuck.

I mean, it was because Chuck very much understood, too. Like, hey, I'm not going to give you guys a raw. I mean, every once in a while it turned into one. But it will always start with, like, some sort of funny story or reference. And then I think depending on the reaction to the story is how Chuck would go, whether it was, like, a little bit more of a serious story. He was like, hey, tomorrow you're going to strip the ball, aren't you? You're going to do your job.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, yeah, I am, all right. And I'm going to go take three ambient and try to pass out as fast as possible after this thing. So we had an admiral speak to us, and I think I've told this story before. Winnefeld, I believe his name is. I have his coin. So you know how they give out uh uh coins it's a big deal in the military to share coins if you get one it's a massive ordeal obviously you're supposed

to travel with them I forget the actual name of them somebody in the youtube comment section tell me but I guess it's a big deal whenever you are at a bar or something and somebody pulls out you put a coin if you don't have one you have to pay like that that is the only time that it has worked for me in public is one time at a bar with some people. And I had a coin in my pocket and I put it out and somebody else had to pay it because they didn't have a coin, but it's like,

uh, I forget what it is. I got his coin. He gave us a speech, great speech the night before. It was a really cool speech. And he was a guy who met with the president every single day. He was the head of the old boy,

air force, Navy. I don't know. Navy probably. He's an Admiral. I think they all have admir. Navy, probably. He's an admiral. I think they all have admirals, though, right? I think everybody has admirals. Do they?

I think so. I think admiral's like the guy or lady. I don't know. I know it's a ship term. Yeah, ship. Yeah, I thought it was the Navy. So the Navy, then. Well, whatever.

He was one of the chiefs of staff who had to meet with the president every single day. So he had secret service and everything. He gives us a speech. Great speech. I mean, it was a good speech great speech talked about a ship so i would assume navy yeah navy probably so he does this whole thing and then afterwards there's like a snack because you've you've seen the legendary thing of rex ryan where he talks and goes let's go get a fucking snack like that is just classic it's team meeting then it's snack and then it's bedtime i was always somebody that enjoyed snack.

I didn't want to go into my room too quick. So I was kind of one of the lingerers. I would bounce around table to table, just kind of see how everybody's feeling, chit-chat, tell stories. Listen, it was a cool night. And I was one of the last people there, and there was one other person there. I forget who it was. And we were the only two people in the entire room.

And the admiral comes in. He had just got done talking. Like four secret service. There he is. four secret service people come into the room and there's like four secret service at the doors he gets his food he sits down at the table with me and i'm like oh my god like this guy he probably wants to talk football right now but how many times you get an opportunity to talk to a guy that talks to the fucking president so i just i mean he got peppered with questions for me i'm like let's talk about Ebola. Hey, what about the southern border? What's going on with blah, blah, blah?

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Why do you have a hat on? Why do you have a hat on? I just got done. Oh. Oh. Wow. Oh, my gosh. You look like you're on the cover of that.

What's that Netflix thing with the beach thing? GQ? No, Outer Banks. Outer Banks. That's the hair for the guy from Outer Banks right there with that flow. You look unbelievable. Oh, look at him shredded, too, with the traps. Orlovsky, let's go.

I look like Zac Efron in Baywatch right now. Well, you're giving yourself a lot of credit there, but I agree. You do. Congratulations on NFL Live, man. The show is awesome. I can't wait to watch it. Thank you, bud. Honored to be on.

I think it's a super cool crew. You've worked with a couple other people, obviously Marcus. Have you worked with Mina before? Yeah, I did her podcast. I think she's incredibly brilliant. Mina's super smart. You know, she makes some sense in numbers as good as anybody marcus is as funny as anyone on television excluding yourself no no i agree with that by the way swag is funny i died fantastic oh so i'm excited for it man i'm really

excited have you guys been prepping for this like do you do zoom calls like team meetings and how because espn big deal obviously espn obviously takes a lot of things very seriously nfl live is one of the staples of ESPN. How has the whole process of building that show been? Do you guys just Zoom call each other, FaceTime each other, text each other? What is Snapchat? Yeah, MySpace. When they kind of announced this is the show and that's what it's going to be,

we all kind of started a group text. I've known Marcus since we got drafted together, so we have a 15-plus year relationship of a friendship. And then I've worked with Mina we got drafted together. So we have a 15 plus year relationship of a friendship. And then I've worked with Mina and obviously Laura been on get up. So like we have this group chat that, you know, is 70% buffoonery and 30% work, you know, and Hey, throwing out ideas and what do we want to talk about? And then we were actually supposed to start last week, the 17th, but the NBAba came in playoffs and so they pushed us a week so we did a little bit of a practice zoom just because amina and marcus are remote and i'm in

studio so just working on those kind of um techno technology kind of mishaps flows yeah well well well used word yeah thank you um and then like honestly we wake up we start sending out texts for your ideas for the day and then we'll get on a call at around 11 30 12 o'clock to kind of what's the show gonna be and then go from there so when you're on get up and a guy like tannenbaum who i like by the way i i had a problem with him early because of what he said about tua and the top five pick for the dolphins and he kind of skewed my take because i thought he knew what he was talking about turns out he was just out there doing his thing thinking aloud but uh whenever you have a guy like Tannenbaum on your show that you're alongside and he's like uh you know Ben

Roethlisberger this guy who you know has a couple Super Bowls he does uh all this stuff and he says he he might be the fourth best quarterback just in the AFC North. That is a very, very interesting take. Is it hard not to, because you're in the ESPN family and you like Tannenbaum, not to just text that NFL Live thing and be like, okay, this is where we start and end the show is Tannenbaum saying this. Is that hard not to do that? Yeah, of course it is. And I like getting into it with people too.

Listen, I have said silly things, stupid things on television before. I've been absolutely massacred for them, rightfully so. No! Shocking, breaking news here. Listen, I think Mike T thinks because of covid and the unique off season that maybe the divisions have morphed together and there's more than four teams and the afc maybe he thinks the afc north afc south got together type thing here's my thing on it pat like i gotta be a good teammate at times um have to be good guy you know gotta be a good teammate and uh

you know i i know Mike T personally. He's a super nice dude. I absolutely think the comment is ridiculous and totally incorrect and misguided, but I got to be a good teammate. Okay, let's talk about that AFC North. Joe Burrow, rookie, coming in. A lot of weight on his shoulders. They spend some money in a free agency.

Trey Waynes gets hurt. He's one of the guys they bought, so it seems like the Bengals are going to bangle no matter what. What do you expect out of Joe Burrow, rookie quarterback? And you're talking COVID-19, no OTAs, no walkthroughs really. It can't be that high of expectation. I assume he has very high expectation, but I think anybody that's been in the NFL knows

this is going to be a very tough road for Joe Burrow, especially in that AFC North with the defenses in there. Yeah, I totally disagree. I think the whole offseason is completely overblown type thing. If you look at like, first of all, rookie quarterbacks in the last four or five years have come in and performed better than in traditional fashions. Then the question becomes, well, why is that the case? One, the rules benefit offensive players, and two, coaches understand the use of space so much more. So this one-yard throw becomes an eight-yard completion.

So the rookie quarterback performance is a little bit different than in the old days. Second of all, if you're trying to see what's going to help a rookie quarterback play well, I look at three things. What's his scheme, who are his people, and then what are his traits? Well, first of all, his scheme is super quarterback friendly. It's the Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak scheme. It doesn't stress quarterbacks mentally. Like it is, hey, this is our play. You're going to get to the line of scrimmage. We're going to play fast. It's going to be a ton of play action. And I'll get super nerdy for everyone here.

Like when you play drop back football as a quarterback, meaning no play fake, right? When you play drop back football, you got to know the coverage before the snap. Because you have to know what side of the field you are more than likely working. When you play play action football, you don't really need to know the coverage. It is turn your back, play fake, snap your head, and then find your guy. Is that receiver open? You've got to find people rather than know the coverage. So it's reactionary.

Two, they've got dudes in Cincinnati. A.J. Green, Tyler Boyd, Ross, Gio Bernard, Joe Mixon. I would say Jonah Williams is the best offensive lineman that's come out in three or four years of the draft. You know, and he's back healthy. They're ex-first rounder from Alabama. And then the third thing, Burrow just doesn't panic. A lot of rookie quarterbacks struggle because they panic.

He just doesn't panic. So I think Burrow is going to be really good this year. I obviously think he's going to be really good for his career. So I'm a little bit like, don't make too much of the offseason. Okay, I respect it. And I like the fact that as soon as I said something, you go, well, I disagree. Let me tell you why.

It's kind of the Dan Orlovsky school of journalism right there. Let's talk about a quarterback that's brand new to a system that everybody's having rave reviews for. Nobody knew what was going to happen. This guy was unemployed for 86 days, had no team. Somehow Bill Belichick and Ernie pull him into the Patriots. He's signed at minimum guarantee or whatever with upside up to $7.5 million.

Whatever the case is, it's insane. Cam Newton has been, I guess, spectacular up for the New England Patriots. Did anybody expect anything differently? Did you expect anything differently? Did you expect anything differently? And what did you think of the people that were like, hey, Jared Stidham's going to start over Cam Newton? Yeah.

What? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, okay. It was stupid. The last time we saw Cam Newton healthy, you know this, he was playing MVP football, okay? Yes, guys, he was playing bad when

he tore the muscles in his shoulder. Yeah, duh. So yeah, he struggled in that time. Listen, Jared Stidham is a young player that probably has some promise, and if he had to play this year, he would probably be okay. But we're talking about Cam Newton. We're talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks in the last 10 years of the NFL. One of the biggest freaks athletic we've ever seen. Paired with a coach and an offensive coordinator that think differently. They don't think inside the box. They think outside the box.

Oh, I see. He's notorious. Bill Belichick is notorious for don't tell me what the player can't do. Tell me what the player can do. Cam Newton is a perfect player of don't tell me what the player can't do. Tell me what the player can do. Cam Newton is a perfect player of don't tell me what he can't do. No, Cam's not super accurate. He's not the most accurate quarterback ever. So what?

He doesn't need to be. Guess what? Tom Brady, he's not 6'4", 300 pounds either. So, like, you know, it's a good match. He's going to make them better. Cam's going to play well. They're not a playoff football team. But Cam's going to make them better.

He's their easy starter. So, on record right here, I don't know if you've said this before, maybe on NFL Live, which airs at 4 o'clock Eastern Daylight Time every single day on ESPN. Dan Orlovsky is one of the new hosts. Tuesday, August 25th, right here, Pat McAfee Show. Dan Orlovsky, good hair, fresh out of a workout. Says that the Patriots will not make the playoffs this year?

Yeah, the Patriots are not a playoff team. Ooh, damn! Dan Orlovsky. Let me tell you why. Dan Orlovsky? Oh, well, let me tell you something. Dan Orlovsky thinks Bill Belichick can get an MVP-like quarterback and stink at the same damn time.

That is what you just said. And Dan Orlovsky says they stink. Okay. Go ahead and tell us why, Dan, please. I would like to hear this one. Last year, the New England Patriots were 0-4 against the four best teams in the AFC. Number two,

the last eight games of the season, the Buffalo Bills, who are also in the AFC East division, had the better record, had a better offense, had a better defense. The Buffalo Bills have gotten better this year, this offseason. The Patriots have gotten significantly worse. Cam Newton is a lesser player than Tom Brady. They lost certainly one of their best offensive linemen, Marcus Cannon, has opted out. They have a bottom five group when it comes to skill players. In the NFL right now, the really good offenses, other than really good quarterbacks and play callers, you know what they're notorious for? Having a bunch of really good skill players.

The Patriots don't. They're going to be reliant on two young tight ends that they drafted this year in the draft. They lost six starters off of their defense. Six. So you're talking about a team that is worse than they were last year, that struggled against the best teams in the AFC last year. They got worse within their division while the division leader got better and they played the toughest schedule in football. Now everyone's going to go this. Yeah, but they've won the AFC East 11 years in a row.'re right they have they have won zero games playing this style of football they got to play a different style of football this year and it's not just getting cam to play well it's getting everyone on the offense to play well and

then play winning football i don't see it oh wow you made an excellent case there i guess i mean the way you shaped that made you sound right but i can feel every human in boston just going yeah keep it going dan okay keep it going, Dan. Keep it going, Dan. That's what we live for. I just want to remind people, you and I sat at a desk last year, and I said, this is the worst offense the Patriots have had since 2003. You immediately snapped back to me and said,

they won the Super Bowl in 2003, and I said, uh, uh. They stunk last year. Yeah, but I wasn't going to go on TV and say it, because I've been a part of games where the Patriots have beat me by 50. So I am not, I just have, you know, I have that. I can't get out there and be like, Oh, this team stinks. And then I just have to go to my phone and it's like, Oh, this team stinks, huh? Well, here's highlights of you running the worst fake punt in the history of the NFL against the Patriots. I'm just not about that. I feel like this is when the Patriots drive the most. But the way you laid that out, you like the Buffalo Bills, huh?

I listened to Sean McDermott mic'd up the other day. A lot of clapping. A lot of clapping. I did not know he was that big of a clapper. I mean, we're talking like intensity. Here we go. A lot of clapping. The entire mic'd up session was him clapping and saying the same thing.

I'm like, oh, so the team does not trust the social media team, right? It was literally the same thing on repeat for the whole thing. Yeah, I feel like that was most of my career, though, as well. Like, if you ever got game tape of me at a game, I'd be like, good ball, Matthew. Keep spinning it. Keep spinning it. Good shot, dude.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this guy, 4 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time. By the way, it's not Eastern Standard Time anymore right now. Did you know that? Yes. Yeah, I do now. Everything you say is gospel. No, no, no, because I said EST, which is Eastern Standard Time. Turns out, because we moved the clock, we're actually EDT now.

You bounce – Oh, that's a real thing? I guess. I don't know. I was told by somebody who's much smarter than i am that that was right so maybe carry that into your life you're welcome uh what's on tap for nfl live today you guys talking anything awesome yeah we'll talk a bunch of you know buda baker just got signed big money 15 mil jamal adams got to be pissed right so yeah

big time um you know is he overpaid you know how does the highest paid safety NFL not have interceptions I dispute that so um you know why is it important to pay a guy like that especially from I'm going to talk about it from an offensive perspective uh we'll talk about that I think we're going to talk about the NFC West I think I think to set the 49ers in a little bit of trouble with their lack of receivers. A lot of injuries. That's got to be somewhat concerning. So we'll talk about that a little bit. I think we'll get into how our buddy, more than my buddy, your buddy, Andrew Luck,

retired a year ago in one day. How have the Colts somehow gotten back to what they were almost with Andrew? You like Phillip Rivers? Yeah, you like Phillip Rivers. I've been seeing clips of him. I like what I'm seeing from him mic'd up. I like the throws that they're showing. I don't know him, though.

I know nothing about him. I think Phillip's going to play really good. If you watch last year, he struggled. Their offensive line was really bad. Obviously not an issue in Indy. Offensive line was really bad. He's going to have a ton of time. For me, the Colts are all about Michael Pittman.

If Michael Pittman Jr. is a dog, like some second-round receivers have been, the Colts are going to be a big-time problem for the AFC. Well, especially if that helps out T.Y., because T.Y. has been the focal point of every defense. So if he can get open a little bit, T.Y. is a weapon as well. Dan, I can't wait to watch.

Congratulations on getting your own show, especially a staple show like that. Good luck to all of you. I appreciate all of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan, I can't wait to watch. Congratulations on getting your own show, especially a staple show like that. Good luck to all of you. I appreciate all of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Hey, boy, Dan. Hey, boy, Dan. Hey, boy, Dan.

Yes, sir. Before I go, I want to have a serious moment. I love those. And I'm an emotional person. So, listen, man, you inspire me. I've said this to you personally and privately, but you do. I think a lot of us people are word plays. We say we want to live

every day and say we want to attack every day. You do, man. Watching you this weekend was a lot of fun, but also it convicts me. It convicts me to go, man, this guy, he lives what he says. You inspire me, dude. I think you're one of the best people.

Keep trucking because if you're doing it to me you're doing it to a lot of people brother so i'm proud of you i love calling you a friend and you're the best dude keep keep killing life man that means a lot i appreciate you dan thank you for that i'm just trying to keep up with your handsome ass ladies and gentlemen dan erlovsky thank you for that, dude. I appreciate you, man. Summer's in full swing and we are thankful for our sponsor today, Manscaped, for keeping us fresh.

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We had a great conversation. Had Dan Rolofsky on there, Eddie George, who did not know who you were. That was kind of a shot across the box, especially because you're two Ohio State legends. That was a little bit tough for us. Hey, that's all right. I talked to Eddie like a month ago in person. How'd it go? How'd it go?

Pretty good. It was at the golf thing. We talked about it. He said that he was not prepared to play actual golf, but he's been training every day to beat Charles Barkley. He said there was no breakfast ball. There was no fluffing. He did not expect any of that.

He said it's real-ass golf out there in Tahoe, and he's training every day not to be the worst. Is he still training? Is he trying to go back next year and do better, I guess? He said he does want to go back next year. He said next year he's going to bring a caddy. He's actually going to try golf before he gets there. And he's going to really go out there and have a day.

You think there's any chance I get invited next year to the Tahoe thing? Yeah. If you, if you let them know that you're going to show up this time when you get invited, I'm sure they would love to have you out. That's that event is made for you, Pat,

especially when there's, when there's actually fans like this past year, there wasn't, you would be, you wouldn't be able to leave the course, actually. You'd get caught with every single spectator there. What happens if I go out there and win that thing? Wow-bonging beers with the people in the boats

and slam-dunking in the nine-and-a-half-foot hoops that are out there. What happens then? What do we do? Barefoot, too? I mean, what happens then? They rename the tournament. Or they close it. You're the greatest champion they've ever had of that tournament

in like 30 years of running that thing. They wouldn't mind. Are you kidding me? If the guy that's in first place is coming up number 17, the par 3 on the water, and you bong three beers on the tee box and you bong four more on the green after you tap your birdie putt in, I think they'll be okay with that. I don't know if I can do seven beers in one hole and still operate.

I don't know if old 33-year-old me can, but I do believe I would be able to embrace it. But there are some really good golfers. That tennis guy that won, he's an insane golfer. Like very, very. Kyle Williams. Kyle Williams, unbelievable at golf. Kyle almost won.

He was in the final group. I played with Kyle day one. The guy makes zero mistakes. These dudes are shooting 70, 67, 68, like for three days straight. Who'd you shoot? Who'd you play with the last day? The last day, actually, I played with Aaron and Brian Baumgartner from the office. Oh, yeah.

Baumgartner. Did Aaron pick that or does that just kind of happen? Yeah, Aaron kind of finessed that one together because it's usually all for your score, but my score was terrible. Brian was actually playing very well for himself, and Aaron was playing pretty good. Well, I was about to say, first day with Kyle Williams, last day with Eddie George had to make you feel pretty good.

That's what I thought was going to happen, but instead it was the guy from the office and Aaron Rodgers, which, by the way, I think we've got a big fall for Aaron Rodgers coming up. A big what? Fall. Autumn. Oh, I think we've got a big fall for Aaron Rodgers coming up. A big what? Fall. Autumn. Oh, you think? Oh, good news coming from camp.

I know people are getting very excited. I know you're very excited about how Cam Newton has looked in camp. Do you think? I'm very excited, too, for Cam. But I just have a hard time putting too much into training camp reports after they've been in pads for five days. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, listen. I understand how normally you would be 100% accurate,

and I'm going to take a Dan Orlovsky line here. I disagree with you. Let me tell you why. That's what Orlovsky told me today, by the way. With Aaron Rodgers, first of all, dropping dimes and socket signs, let's go. I mean, let's go ahead and run this thing straight to an MVP. Pump for our guy up there. For Cam Newton, though, I think the glowing reviews is such a big deal,

a much bigger deal than in the past because Cam Newton got dropped into a brand new system after 86 days of being unemployed, even missing the Zoom calls that they were having in place in lieu of the OTA. So I think hearing that it's going well is a big deal for Patriots fans, and it's a big deal for me knowing that Bill Belichick probably has a brand new weapon that he can kind of toy with and have a good time with and it means that the Patriots are going to be in this thing no matter what anybody says Orlovsky said that he stinks but I think these are not he thinks that the Patriots are going to

stink and not make the playoffs because the Bills and everybody else and they lost a lot of players who opted out and contracts and everything like that. But I think the glowing reviews, even though it's only five days in, are a much bigger deal this year, especially in that situation, than other years in the past. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think the fact that he didn't get to New England, you'd be pretty worried, I guess, if he got there and there wasn't a whole lot of positive news coming

or they're saying it was just kind of clunky. Oh, Cam's still trying to digest the playbook or all this stuff. I mean, I give a lot of credit to cam for stepping in there with not knowing anything i mean he signed so late and then i i also like i say all the time i give tons of credit to josh mcdaniels and how they craft their offense how they scheme people up i'm sure they have so many different options when when cam is back there i i know dan claims that he doesn't think they're a playoff team you also also got to look at Dan's words. Didn't he say multiple times they're not a playoff team? He didn't say they won't make the playoffs.

Oh, you think he – that would be an Orlovsky move. It's like saving – it's kind of saving it if they do make the playoffs, I feel like. It's almost like when Goodell says we're going to have a complete season. I don't know if you can see this, AJ, but Zito just dropped a breaking news as if it was dan orlovsky doesn't think the patriots will be a playoff team oh my god i do think he said too they won't make the playoffs just to clarify i believe he said that first and then later on said no they won't be you know on nfl live dan orlovsky will have to answer for this whenever the patriots go on a run

at some point and he has to talk about this or maybe he'll just act like it never happened but i like the fact that zito is like no no no let's go ahead and remember this his hair was fantastic this morning his take on the patriots i just don't know that the amount of gut sack it takes to say that the patriots are going to stink is massive because everything tells you that they're not going to i mean everything that bill belichick josh mcdaniels ernie the culture the team the system it's just everything says that they're going to be good for as long as they want to be good but if you go out there and say they're not going to be good and they end up not being good that has to feel damn good but if you go out there and say that they're not going to be good not going to

make the playoffs and then they do you're just another chip on the shoulder for every single asshole that's like well counting us out yet again. ESPN thinks we're dead again. And that's just not the way it goes. It's just, it feeds into their narrative so well. Yeah, Trent Dilfer. Well, yeah, it does. Yeah, if they didn't have Cam Newton, if they didn't sign Cam,

I would be on board maybe with Dale Oshkosh's take. That they're not going to make the playoffs. There's just too much up in the air. But when you have Cam, a former MVP, if the dude is healthy for the majority of the regular season, think they'll be in the playoffs i know their division's gotten better i just don't think their division's gotten that much better to overtake them like that did you watch the uh mcdermott mic'd up that the bill has put out on social media no i have not what is it what do they do i like the buffalo bills organization i like bills mafia okay i like

old bean up there i like this is like saying with all due respect, what are you trying to bury? It was the worst mic'd up segment I've ever seen in my life. What was it? I need to know what it was because I'm going to go back and watch it. Cut. Next clip. Cut. Next clip.

Here we go. There it is, boys. Here we go. Cut. Next clip. Yeah. Here we go, boys. Cut. Next clip. Fly around. Cut. Next clip. Yeah. Here we go, boys. Cut. Next clip.

Fly around. Cut. Next clip. Keep flying. It was the worst mic'd up thing of all time. I was watching it. I was like, why am I watching this? Why am I giving this a view? And maybe that's what they decided to build.

It's like, fuck it. We'll put out the worst mic'd up ever that tells us absolutely nothing, and it will keep it moving. But I can tell that they are all in on being good football team we don't care about what social media gets to see we don't care but we're not giving away anything if mcdermott even mentions a football thing edit it out we want to be on top of everything we got the patriots potentially where we want them to be with a new quarterback a lot of players opting out we need nothing to leak out you know what i will say from that mic'd up video though

mcdermott's hat is next it was a safari hat with a thing that kind of hung down in the back. It was electric. And I was like, okay, I like this guy, but this video stinks. This is terrible content. What's up, Ty? We were talking about it earlier, and Connor mentioned it too, about how good the Patriots secondary still is. And, AJ, I don't know if you've ever had to deal with this,

but how difficult is it if you still lose six starters on defense, like for the guys who are still there, like how, how big of a change is that? Well, I guess it really depends on the six that replace them. There's certain guys you can't, you can't replace. I mean, Hightower has been there for so long. He seems to always come up huge when they need him the most. That guy's like, he's not really replaceable, but can you find someone to, to hold the spot, I guess, until he gets back? And when the other, I mean, six guys is a bunch. It really is. But it goes back to the whole thing, though.

Like, how do you, how can you count the Patriots out of not having those next six guys ready? Like, you know if you're on the Patriots, like, hey, I could start one week, and then I might be inactive for the next two. Like, that's just kind of how they work things to try to match up right, and they're very unique. No other team can really do that. So I would give them, I don't know, we'll see how these guys do,

but it's not easy. The vets have to pull them along a little bit, especially early on. You've got to learn the shorthand language, how we're going to communicate on the field. The good thing, I guess, that would help them without having, with losing six starters is that the new guys, when you start playing games again, there's no fans. So it makes it tough sometimes defensively when you're playing at home.

Say it's third down. Yeah, you want the crowd – it's kind of double-edged sword, I guess. Think about it, Pat. Third down, you're on defense. You're rushing the passer. I've seen your pass rush. Guy's going to kick the slide against you. It's not going to work.

But you want the crowd to be juiced, you know, to try to get the offense to jump off sides or whatever. But, hey, guess what? The defenders, too, are trying to communicate and yell things back and forth. And if you have some guys that haven't been in the system very long, they may not know the hand signals as well, and some crowd noise could hurt them. So I think that will help when you replace some starters.

I'm going to do the ice pick. Go get them. Bang! Did you see that? AJ, I just beat Foxy. Zach. Yeah, I'm the O-line in this situation. Yeah, I just beat him. By the way, these shorts, AJ, we're going to sell these probably within the next year or so. They were created.

These are the best things we've ever made. This is Palsy four weeks. Oh, they look almost like Umbros. I like them. What? What is that? Umbros are great shorts. Umbros are great, but shut the fuck up. This does not look like Umbros.

These are the best shorts we've ever... Look at the inside. There's even like an interior liner that's like comfortable. And also look at the slide. Look at that. You know what I mean? I thought that yesterday, but I didn't want to say it. Yeah, yeah.

I love these shorts. Umbros are great. I don't know when they're going to be able to be on sale, but I am pumped to sell them and make no money off of them because I just don't know how expensive they are to make. It's going to be tough for business, but hey, they're damn good. Let's go down to Tampa Bay. Okay, let's go down to the Tampa Bay Gronkineers.

They've become the Tampa Bay Q Gronkineers. A.Q. Shipley signs with the Tampa Bay Q Gronkineers AQ Shipley signs with the Tampa Bay Q Gronkineers this was news that was broken by Adam Schefter even though we have known it for some time now we chose to do the civil thing and right thing and wait for him to have officially signed before we announce it the insider game is a rough one we didn't want to get into it a new center who's been around for now is 12 years. What does that do to a team? We like AQ as a human, obviously. He's a hysterical human being. He's been around a long time. But I would assume bringing in a

veteran presence into that offensive line is good news for everybody, even if he's not the starter. This is good news. AQ Shipley's going down to the Tampa Bay Q Gronkineers. It's super valuable. Don't you think AQ could swing, too, if they had a guard go down? He could be a guy that could – I mean, it's so valuable because you could have – you could go into a game with 7-0 linemen, 6-0 linemen active if you really think AQ can bounce around if someone goes down. Do you think he's going to start? I don't know.

I don't think – I even asked him really what the expectations are going in there that's his crew though Goody the offensive line coach he's been with since Indy he was there in Arizona BA Clyde Christensen I mean he he has great relationships with all of them so I think he's very comfortable in the offense so even if he's not starting whoever is potentially starting he knows everything he could help out wherever I would assume he's gonna play though that just seems to be what happens with aq shipley he shows up there isn't a lot of expectation because you know he's a lot slimmer now but he was around mound he got short arms and then he gets in the game they're like oh my god that guy can really go the pittsburgh guy and

he's hilarious we like him so i think he'll end up playing for sure i don't i never asked him though if he's planning on starting or plus he he has played fullback before in his career and he's in great shape so goal line fullback is potentially an option i hope there's a futures bet on him scoring a touchdown this year if we can bet it or not i hope that is a potential bet we should bet on that because he will throw that head right into a a gap if he has to down on the goal line and which would hopefully leave him open and when you look at him you don't think the guy could catch but on contrary mon, he's got great hands. He's actually a high school Hall of Famer for his basketball career,

not even his football career. So good signing by the Tampa Bay Q Gronkineers down there. You going to play for him? You going to go play for him, AJ? No, I don't think that's going to happen, but I'm happy for AQ. What a great deal for him. I know he he probably had a couple different options he did tampa bay gives you a ring and tom brady is at the helm and bruce arians is there and by when left glitch and they're ready to roll i think it was a pretty easy uh decision for aq i think he had two other

options if i do recall i'm not going to break that news i'll let him do it and by the way he'll probably do it through schefter anyways. Son of a bitch. Pretty good team. Son of a bitch. But he had pretty good teams all on the line there. Because he knows that system so well. He knows Bruce's system so, so. He's there in Pittsburgh, Indy, Arizona, now down in Tampa.

He knows the system so, so, so well. He's probably like, ah, this will be a perfect fit for me. Year 12, I'm not sure he's expecting much, but they can make a run now. That's a team. Mike Evans like, oh, this will be a perfect fit for me. Year 12, I'm not sure he's expecting much, but they can make a run now. That's a team. Mike Evans said, hey, we can be an all-time offense. I agree with him. I agree with him.

They can be. And I think if you see any of the footage that's coming out, we don't get to see much, obviously, from these practices. Normally when fans are there, we hear a lot more. There's no fans. It feels like that team is getting put together rather quickly. Yeah, it does, but do you think our expectations are too

high for them, like the Browns last year? Well, listen. They're obviously not the Browns. We don't understand that. I feel like when you talk about Tampa Bay, people are either like, oh, they're going to be garbage, or people think they're going to win the Super Bowl. There's no in-between. Yeah, but the people that think they're

going to be garbage, it's hard to take them serious. It's like Conor. People like Conor that are just – Well, that's not true. That's the problem. I don't think they're going to be garbage. I said last week they're going to win at least 12 games. I mean, you partner Brady with someone like Bruce Arians,

and if Bruce Arians' offense, like you guys have said, is all on knowing where to throw the ball before the snap, I mean, is there anyone better in NFL history, maybe Peyton Manning, that knows where they're going with the ball? That's the thing about Tom is he knows. I don't know if that is something he's always been able to do, but with 20 years of successful offensive experience, and especially with that Patriot offense being predicated on checks

and everybody seeing the same thing, I feel like Tom can dissect a defense better than anybody in the nfl right now i feel like that is something he is very good at and that is paramount in the bruce arian's offense that's why the first year the quarterbacks go into that system it's always difficult because they'll have to see the same thing carson palmer said he struggled in the first year bruce arian's offense jamis winston obviously struggled in the first year of that offense although they put up big passing yards, a lot of turnovers. I feel like Tom's just not going to do that.

That's Tom's thing is understanding and knowing exactly what they're going to do and not turning the ball over because of it. How's he going to balance that? When every other quarterback, their first year in that scheme, I know Bruce likes to go deep. He likes to take shots, and that could happen. But don't you think they're going to find a weird balance between what Tom is great at, what he's done for 20 years,

and what Bruce and Lefkowitz want to run? How about this? Who's going to win? Who's going to make the playoffs? Who's going to win the division in the NFC South right now, Tuesday, August 25th? A.J. Hawk, Ohio State legend, Super Bowl champion, picks this team to win the NFC South Tuesday, August 25th.

Go ahead and hammer it. Tampa Bay Bucs. I mean, of course I'm taking Tampa Bay. Okay. All right. Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to win the NFC South. I mean, the Saints, you can obviously, everyone, a lot of people pick the Saints.

I don't count the Falcons out. I know people have already written them off for the year. I do, yeah. I feel like everyone says it's a rebuild year, which it looks like it may be a little bit. So you're 100% on Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tuesday, August 25th, winning the NFC South. No problem at all.

Lock it up. Lock it up. Wow. Wow. Because you're not normally like that, by the way. You're a guy who – You asked me a question, though. Like I care to make a prediction, but you asked me the question,

so I'm going – Whoa, whoa, whoa. That wasn't what I was going to say. What I'm saying is I'm a guy that rides the wave of emotion a lot. I am the guy that sees something. I'm like, boom, immediately making a decision because of that. You're a little bit more cerebral, okay? You like to sit back and get the entire thing.

But I, as soon as I saw Tom go to Tampa and then Gronk jump in, and then now they got AQ Shipley, I'm like, oh, that team's definitely going to win. No problem at all. Let's keep it moving. I was called an idiot. I was told that I ride the wave of emotion too much. I'm just telling you that my cigar-smoking, cerebral friend right over here

believes the same fucking thing, and I feel pretty good about that. Plus 160 at Vandal Sportsbook for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to win the NFC South. Look at AJ giving out underdogs and good eyes out here. That a boy, AJ. Go ahead and put some money on that. Are the Saints the favorite to win? Yes. Yeah.

Man, what kind of year is it going to be for Drew? Especially after his offseason. And you don't have that. Do we know if they're going to have any fans in the Dome? Because that place will be a different kind of atmosphere with no fans. We know how difficult it is to go in there and get a win when it's jammed. Miami has come out. They're the only team, I think, that has completely laid out an entire plan

on how fans will be in the stands. Like, ticketless entry, you coming at this time, you coming at this time, here's how we're going to do it. Miami has been at the forefront of telling people, we will have motherfuckers in the stadium. That is what they have said literally since jump. Now they have an entire plan. Haven't heard anybody else really talk about it.

A lot of teams are pushing them back. They went to the first three weeks. They went to the first four weeks. They went to the first four weeks. So I think some are waiting to see, honestly, how those go. Which seems to be everybody's decision in this world that we're in right now. Yeah, yeah, we'll do a maybe. Oh, SEC, we'll play. It's different.

Maybe. Yeah, we'll see. HVC, yeah, we're definitely going to have a season maybe, possibly. And the Big 12 is like, listen, we're not going to say a goddamn thing until everybody else figures it out which is very very smart but it feels like that's everybody because that saints the superdome is a much different world when those fans are in there now granted the only comparison i have i guess would be warm-ups when their fans aren't in there and then when their fans are in there but that place is electric. I mean, it is very intoxicated, very loud, and their offense puts up insane numbers, so there's a lot to cheer about. That is normally what people cheer about,

is offensive completions and the ball moving. It happens in training camp. Whenever there's a long completion on your own team, the fans go crazy. It's like, well, should we be happy, or our guy just got burnt right there? They go crazy every single time. That Saints offense is an operable offense that is asking their fans to lose their minds on a very regular basis. And that place is scary whenever it gets going. I mean, it is. They hung 69 points or something like that on us on Sunday Night Football. It was insanity. And that place was rocking the entire time. What's up? I asked this because i assume that drew breeze is going to be taking everyone's best shot next year defenses uh do you think like for

you guys like do you think there will be more injuries because there aren't any fans in the stand so like it'll be harder to like i mean do you get like that much more adrenaline you know to like maybe play through like some ailments or anything like that. They got Toradol still? Doesn't sound like it. AJ's never had it. If they got Toradol still, we ain't talking about anything. But for the Green Bay Packers of the league, I would assume the fans are going to be – I mean, that's a pretty big deal, like in the feeling of it being a big day.

Right, AJ? Oh, it's gigantic. I don't know if it's going – I mean, that's a great question by Ty. I never thought of it that way. But it's going to – I don't know. Once the game starts – Ty, are you trying to say like if it's going to – I mean, that's a great question by Ty. I never thought of it that way. But it's going to – I don't know. Once the game starts, Ty, are you trying to say like if someone's trying to fight through some kind of lingering injury like to dress and play that day or if they get hurt during the game?

Either way, but I think more like the lingering one, like if something's kind of just like tweaked and like typically a guy would be able to push through it because of how much juice he has and adrenaline from like the atmosphere in the stadium. Yeah, there may be able to push through it because of how much juice he has and adrenaline from the atmosphere in the stadium. Yeah, there may be something to that. There may be guys that they'd have to be established guys that have already made

some plays that aren't worried about sitting out a game or anything. A lot of other guys would fight through it just because they don't want their job being taken by whoever is going to replace them that game. But yeah, you might be onto something there. I don't know. Hopefully not.

I would hope guys in the league are more mentally tough than that and they don't need fans to get them through things like that. This is going to sound so interesting and sound like I'm grandstanding, but every time I punted a ball, I wanted it to be the best ball that has ever been hit. Practice, game, warm-ups didn't matter. I don't know if that's how players that play real positions have to hit people. Like people like hey every single time i step on the field or there's film i want it to be great but i do believe there's a lot of people that have that mentality like hey i just want the

film to be good so i can continue to make money for the rest of my life doing this yeah doesn't everybody that takes pride in what they do like don't they want every single part of it to be this fucking pizza hut down here they they took no pride in their pizza. And Ty said something terrible yesterday about it. I apologize. That's not what I meant. The Pizza Hut down here, no pride at all in their work. It actually got shut down.

700 of them got shut down. We lost our Pizza Hut. There's not a lot of people that take a lot of pride in a lot of things anymore. The NFL, there's going to be a lot of pride there, especially if it's fourth quarter down 20, fans in the stands think about that that is gonna be a very interesting it's gonna be a preseason game it's gonna feel like a preseason game or a practice what's up i found the situation for fans for all 32 teams the saints will not have definitely not have any fans at their first game against the bucks and probably not weak or their second home

game in some in september as well mcdermott's not happy of the Bills that the Dolphins are going to be able to have fans and they're not going to be able to have fans. They think it's kind of an unfair advantage, but the owners aren't going to give a fuck about what McDermott thinks. They're going to try to get as much money as they possibly can from the limited amount of fans that they're allowed to have out there. Didn't you see Fangio came out and said he doesn't give a damn about attendance, like if it's skewed one way or the other, if it gives you an advantage?

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They're keeping the core together that they have, brought in offensive linemen whenever they lose offensive linemen. They're in, obviously, the Super Bowl last year. Everybody thinks they're going to win. Are they going to sign Tom Brady? No, yes, no, yes. We thought about it. They don't.

Jimmy G's still their guy. 186 yards rushing before contact against the Green Bay Packers in the NFC Championship. Do they have what it takes to get over the hump? A lot of injuries. People are worried about the San Francisco 49ers. Well, people are high on that Brandon Ayuk, the receiver, and he said he left practice from an apparent hamstring issue.

I mean, that's fine. Most likely it'll be, what, 10 days? Hopefully he doesn't linger throughout the year and you don't bring him back too early. But I don't know. I have a hard time. Like Shanahan, Kyle, how he coaches, what he does, and how smart that dude is,

I have a hard time counting them out as well, especially when their defense can play like they can. I think Shanahan absolutely knows how to exploit matchups as good as anybody does in the league. I think he's only going to get better at that the more he is the play caller for the Niners. So you're saying Orlovsky's wrong again? What did he say about the Niners, though? He wouldn't go out and say how many games they would win or lose. He just said that they have means to worry right now with the injury issue that they have going on at camp.

You're saying he's wrong again? Okay, I'll write that down. I mean, everybody should be worrying. Every NFL coach is worrying at all times. You know how they are, Pat. Wrong again. You never feel like they have it figured out. Somebody tell Dan that AJ said he was wrong again.

I'll let him know. I'll let him know later for sure. There is a couple names on the street right now that do not have a team. If we're going to talk wide receivers, Antonio Brown is obviously out there. Percy Harvin still potentially out there. Jadeveon Clowney is out there right now. I mean, there's a lot of names. Errol Thomas is out there right now.

Des Bryant is out there right now. There's a lot of big names, AJ. Do you think these guys are going to get signed as injuries and COVID potentially happens or do you think they're just kind of waiting and already have options on the table well about all those guys you listed let's say let's who do you think is going to sign first i would say jadavian clown he would imagine don't you think i would assume clowny right now has a couple standing offers out there they're like hey if you want to here you go this is our best offer hey if you want to you have this and maybe he's just waiting till the end of training camp which by the way i am a big fan of that move if that's what he's doing i would assume he's the first to sign though or maybe earl maybe the earl thomas deal

gets done rather early too but where does it all go doesn't sound like dallas well uh orlovsky no averill averill cliff averill said that earl thomas you just have to know who he is he said when he first got to seattle he didn't fully understand who Earl Thomas was, so he was a little bit taken back by it. He's a guy who goes full speed and walk-throughs. He's a guy that Earl Thomas is so laser-locked in, he's just a different guy. Cliff Averill said that you have to get to know who he is. Mike McCarthy has come out and basically said, nah, but everybody knows down in Dallas,

Jerry Jones calls those shots down there. What do you say? Yeah, and Jerry, I i guess went on the radio today and talking about that rap sheet tweet he said he doesn't know what he's talking about he has no idea what what he's talking about jerry jones on the report that the cowboys and earl thomas story is over and ian rapaport yeah obviously came out i wonder who he heard that from maybe mccarthy maybe he heard it from mccarthy's people because mccarthy everybody has thought that he wouldn't want that in the locker room or right now to be an extra obstacle for him because he's potentially a personality I mean you see what happened in Seattle you saw what happened in Baltimore the senior player council voted him out McCarthy

probably doesn't want any part of that and people say he's tight with Schneider too as Seattle McCarthy is but everybody knows that down in Dallas it does not matter unless Jerry Jones says it matters. And if Jerry Jones wants Earl Thomas in there, which it sounds like he potentially does. Everybody thinks he does, especially because Earl is a big fan. He's already pleaded to try to get down there. Now he's potentially going to come at a good price,

especially at the Ravens have to pay him 10 million guaranteed. I think he ends up with the Cowboys and I could be wrong. And I don't know if Mike McCarthy would be happy about that, but if Jerry has come out and and say that's a complete lie, that means that Jerry is not completely out on Earl Thomas yet. No, Jerry's definitely not completely out. Don't you think Jerry loves the fact that Earl wants to be there so bad and he's been making it known publicly for a while now?

Oh, yeah. This could be the first real, we'll see what it's going to be like in Dallas for Mike McCarthy. If he truly doesn't want him and he takes a stand and he's like, hey, Jerry, I understand you're the boss, you're signing my checks, but I just don't think this guy will fit in well with the team right now and gives it whatever reasons he thinks. And Jerry's like, oh, sounds good, Mike.

And then Earl walks in the door right after that. How does their relationship go after that? Are they going to be okay? Can they put it behind them and just move on? I'll tell you what, Mike. I understand where you're coming from, but let me tell you where i'm coming from you see all those cars parked out in that parking lot that's from my fucking money okay so if i want to know thomas here you go ahead and take your big ass on a hike what if that's what jerry says because didn't mike mccarthy say in that uh press conference the debut press conference that

him and jerry and everybody had a great time? Like they had a great time. I don't know what that means. I would like to know what that means. I hope they dive into that a little bit later. But I wonder while that great time was happening, if Mike McCarthy said, hey, Bill Parcells said you were making decisions that Bill Parcells didn't want to happen.

Jason Garrett has been alleged that you're making decisions that Jason Garrett doesn't want to happen. I wonder if Mike McCarthy said, hey, there's a little bit of a reputation that you do not care what your coach thinks about anything. Is that true? And Jerry goes, oh, don't you worry about that. Oh, Mike, don't you worry about that. Cheers, bud, or whatever it is.

This will be interesting. And I assume Mike McCarthy knows that it's his job to coach up whoever's put on the team by the GM, who Jerry Jones is. He's got to do his thing. But this will be the very interesting first step of this relationship between Mike and Jerry, especially now that there's contradicting reports from Rappaport and from Jerry. I mean, this is awesome.

This is Dallas Cowboys, and this is why they get talked about so much, because who knows what that billionaire is going to do right there. Nobody. Mike gets to see firsthand how different it is having an owner like Jerry Jones. First off, having an owner. He didn't have one in Green Bay. GM never spoke to the media. Nobody really speaks to the media a whole lot.

It's in the front office there. So now you have your owner, your boss, who's going to come out every single week and do radio shows. He's going to have a press scrum after games in the locker room. It's just awesome. So now McCarthy gets to kind of feel his way into this and say, okay, all right, I guess this is how it goes. Hopefully McCarthy, I'm sure he wouldn't, but he can just let it go. Whatever Jerry says, just in one ear, out the other.

Whatever Jerry says publicly, I guess, to radio stations, that may contradict things that are going on inside those rooms. You know how players watch their coach's press conference to kind of get a sense of how the coach is feeling after things? That is something you can do. You can kind of get a sense of how the coach feels. Get a sense on how practice is going to be next day. Oh, yeah.

You know exactly how the schedule is going to be. You know exactly how this week is going to be by listening to that press. I wonder if Mike McCarthy is just going to be listening to Jerry's press conference like, all right, well, we'll see how we did, Donna. And then Jerryones comes out well i think the team didn't wasn't uh properly prepared for today mike arty's like fuck all right so now that's a direct shot at me because that was happening jason garrett by the way jason garrett would be learning things i assume about himself via these press conferences and that happens nowhere else immediately after the game, Jerry has 30 people around him,

and he is just like a fire hose, just letting everything out. And it is awesome. I love it as a fan. I love that somebody has to talk. But you can see how Mike McCarthy, who's never had to deal with that, could potentially have a little bit of worry about how that whole thing's going to go. Well, I think everyone, I love it, you love it. The players probably don't mind that Jerry usually stands up for his guys as well.

The only person that doesn't like this is whoever the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys is. When you know you have to learn stuff from the owner through the media and you're like, okay, I'm already sitting here as a head coach. I'm worried about what every player in that locker room says to the media. I don't want them to have to say anything stupid that other players have to answer for. And then, oh, by the way, actually, the guy who signed everybody's's checks that's the guy i'm worried about most what he's gonna say like if you're the head coach of the cowboys yeah i just gotta sit back mike mccarthy just has to sit back

and enjoy the ride and coach whoever they have but don't coach too good especially while office hours are happening because there's businesses that surround the practice field so you can't do too much i mean that place is electric to say the least absolutely electric um what else is happening in the world of the sports there's a top 25 college football teams have been ranked and put out nine of the top 25 will not be playing this fall they will be set to play in the spring ohio state they're at number two will they lose that number two spot when they play zero games and other people play at least one game? TBD, let's look forward to these rankings. Where are they on the next poll?

The next poll that comes out, does Ohio State drop to like seven because they haven't played four games like everybody else? Or do they have like a top 25 poll with like parentheses next to teams? You know what I mean? Like Clemson at one. Okay, Clemson wins the first game. They'll stay at one. Number two, okay, we got North Dakota State because. Okay. Clemson wins the first game. They'll stay at one. Number two.

Okay. We got North Dakota state because they blew out central Arkansas. They played one game, but in parentheses, previous Ohio state, they are not currently playing. We do not know how team is playing. Is that just how every top 25 is going to be? It's going to be like, okay, Oklahoma's here. LSU is here at seven is now Florida, but it might be Penn penn state if they were to play we haven't gotten

footage from their practice film but we think they're still playing good there's gonna have to be all of that i like the fact though that whoever did this was like yeah we'll rank these fucking players right now if we have to we don't know if anyone's gonna play we have no idea if they're gonna play each other how that's gonna work but we'll rank them if you need us to for sure well didn't the uh the the playoff committee put out a thing, like the plans for the college football playoffs? No, what is it? Zito, did you see that?

Do you have a graphic of it? Zito definitely didn't see it. Diggs? I don't know. I didn't get to look at the graphic as much, but yeah, they have a plan in place for how the playoffs are going to run. When's it going to run? In the spring after everybody plays?

No, after this fall season. Regular schedule. Oh, so there's a fall champion and a spring champion, and then you get a chance to play them? Is that how it's going to run? In the spring after everybody plays? No, after this fall season. Oh, so there's a fall champion and a spring champion, and then you get a chance to play them? We were talking to Eddie George earlier. He was like, is there going to be a Heisman for the fall schedule and then a Heisman for the spring schedule? How are you going to do any of this stuff for 10 years down the road

when you look back on it? I don't know how any of it's going to work. Don't you think the spring season is just not going to happen? You think the fall season is going to happen? Oh yeah, maybe. I think, yeah, I think the fall season will happen for the people that are playing and I'm playing right now. I just, you can't have, so does this year have two national champions? Is that what you're saying? If they do play in the spring? Well, I mean, maybe the fall team just has to stay in shape until, you know what I mean? Get that team ready. Only allowed to play certain players.

Like in the locker room, whoever, okay, let's say Clemson wins it all, the fall national championship, and Dabo's like, hey, guys, great job. You know, we enjoyed this one for 24 hours. But then we'll be in tomorrow. Inside run starts at 9 a.m. Team at 11 p.m. And we just got three or four months of just practicing pads and trying to just stay ready, trying to stay sharp, because we because we gotta take on whoever the spring champion listen we gotta get ready for

that big 10 pack 12 champion that's coming in four or five months from now we gotta stay in shape okay we're only allowed to play a certain amount of players because they could probably bring in another class and learn an entirely new offense i don't know how it's all gonna work it's just gonna be one big asterisk i guess there'll be a spring champion and a fall champion the only thing i'm seeing is that the playoff selection committee announced the rankings release dates. The final ranking release date will be December 20th. Oh, we need those, by the way.

Huge. The committee chair is the AD of Iowa, so that's kind of funny. Gary Varda. He's not going to be happy. What if he just ranks everybody terribly? He should. These teams stink. these are the top four teams allegedly iowa was going to have a hot year like imagine if everything roll out is like allegedly allegedly you think fall schedule

is going to happen for college football huh kirk herb street friend of ours was not very positive about it and i feel like he talks to a lot of people that know stuff. I just feel like that happens. He was not very positive on his fall schedule working out. I don't know who he's talking to, how it works out. But if you think about what COVID's probably going to do on these universities, it's going to be difficult, I think, to continue this thing. And you've got to get every college football player

to maintain a disciplined self-quarantine so they don't potentially pick it up from anybody so it doesn't spread throughout the entire locker room. I'm hoping it happens. I am very much hoping it happens. But, boy, it feels like that's going to be difficult to pull off. It's going to be 17-year-old kids. We're August 25th.

When's the first game supposed to happen in college? September 21st. 21st is when Clemson goes back to campus. I think 26th was the first game. Okay, September 26th. So we're one month out, basically, month and a day. I thought somebody was going to play earlier than that. Well, I think the SEC delayed until September 26,

and they're the only ones left, right? The SEC, the ACC, and the Big 12 are probably all thinking about doing the same thing. What's up, Diggs? There are games on September 5th. Really? Who? Wow. Is the American Conference playing?

They are. Memphis is supposed to have a game on September 5th. SMU, like those schools. The American Conference is playing? BYU Navy plays on Monday, September 7th. What? Shout out to the American Conference. I got a chance to see a lot of them play on Thursday Night Football last year,

and I follow a couple of the coaches. The SMU coach, one of the SMU coaches tweeted out, I don't know about y'all, but we football this fall like such a good like such a good recruiting tool Cincinnati's playing Ohio State can't that is awesome that's like Pitt can play Penn State can't I mean Temple's playing Pitt's playing Penn State can't what a wild time to be alive right now it looks like the first full day full schedule is Saturday, September 12th. Let's go. Hey, we're right around the corner. We are close.

I'm much more optimistic now, August 25th, than I was August 1st on college football actually going forward. How upset is the Big Ten right now, all their fans, knowing that, listen, what we just said there, Cincinnati is playing, Ohio State is not. Pitt's playing, Temple's playing, Penn State's not playing.

I assume there's like a northern Iowa that's probably playing. Iowa State, Iowa's not. Iowa State. Oh, the Big Ten is going to be so mad. Watching the fans this fall is going to be awesome. Watch them on Twitter. Watch the Big Ten fans on Twitter. You'll see it.

They're going after individual people. Obviously, we know they stood outside. Multiple parents got together, stood outside the Big Ten offices, trying, you'll see it. They're going after individual people. Obviously, we know they stood outside. Multiple parents got together, stood outside the Big Ten offices trying to talk to Kevin Warren in Chicago. But now, everything, it's so funny reading stuff. You know who I see it from? Our boy Bobby. My buddy Bobby goes at

people. Bobby's potentially the face of the Big Ten upset fan. He's the general. He puts up a list of numbers of senators and congresspeople where you could call in and complain and say, hey, you can do whatever you want to the ADs. He'll put their numbers up where you could call their offices and file your complaint, I guess.

Keep going, Bob. I think now they're going after the Michigan AD. The Michigan AD, one of them was the lone AD that was against playing this fall or maybe the Michigan president. I Michigan AD, or one of them was like the lone AD that was against playing this fall, or maybe the Michigan present. I don't know who it was, but I know they're figuring out who doesn't want to play in the Big Ten or who was against it. Now people are going to go after that. That's like an unmasking.

They're unmasking all the negative. Keep going, Bobby. Bobbo Carpenter. Bob Snowden. Bob Snowden. No, Carpenter. Bob Snowden. Bob Snowden. No, basically. Cincinnati in top 20, by the way. I'm happy for you. Oh, yeah.

That's your guy, isn't it? That's one of your guys. Luke Fickley is my linebacker coach. He's the head coach. Their D coordinator I played with at Ohio State, Marcus Freeman. They're good. They're like a legit football team. Luke's had offers. Luke could have gone and taken other jobs, but I think he really football team. Luke's had offers. Luke could have gone and taken other jobs. I think he really likes it.

He's been getting some players. Allegedly, Michigan State, West Virginia, allegedly at one point was interested, and he has refused. He has stayed at the state of Cincinnati. And that team, when we went to their training camp, that team was ready. And they had an offensive lineman that transferred in from Michigan that somehow wasn't allowed to play. He's like one of the top guys maybe in the country.

So that team's only going to get better. And quarterback was what a freshman last year a sophomore last year they're going to be good cincinnati's going to be good but i find it very interesting that these smaller conferences have been able to figure it out in the big 10 that has millions of dollars weren't able to figure it out good for the american conference i did not know they were playing that is i saw that tweet from that smu coach and i was like what's that what's this guy even saying are they playing like scrimmages and it's like no no no we are playing here's bob l carpenter if you're a fan of the big 10 we need everyone you can complain or you can contact the university presidents voice your concerns the contact info you need for every campus leader i even split it east and west i made it as easy as you possibly could make it here's emails here's phone numbers

you fucking let them have it is what bob o carpenter said i respect it it's gonna be tough if all these conferences are playing and we have a full slate of games coming up and what ohio state fans who live with that are just sitting there at their houses like, are you? Oh, man. Are you? Oh, Kevin Warren. Kevin Warren. That is – it is going to be insane this fall. I'll be excited to see if they finish the season. I would assume that was what the Big Ten and the Pac-12 were talking about.

Like, might be able to get a game or two. Will we be able to finish it? If they are, this is going to be outstanding to watch, just from a dramatic and controversy standpoint. And also recruiting. How is – think about Cincinnati recruiting the same players as Ohio State potentially and saying hey listen we understand that Ohio State's this big big big operation they're awesome they're everything and Luke Fickle would be like I coached there for a long time played there I know all that but they don't even like football they don't even play up there here at Cincinnati we play football that is going to be used against the Big Ten coaches in recruiting

for probably the next 10 years, if I had to guess. It's probably too late for them to go back on this now, too, right? Like it's over and done with. There's nothing they're going to do to save this. Oh, that's awesome. There was a little hope last week, I think, that they were going to overturn it or they were going to figure it out, but I don't think now I don't feel like there's any hope.

That letter came out, and he was like, nope, like nope not happening well bobby carpenter redlined it too yeah yeah bobby redlined a lot of that well it was oh i love it that's how i keep up on what's going on with the big ten college football who bobby's mad at i don't know bobby well enough you know i just only follow along what an electric factory What an absolute, like, he's not happy. And I just think he is the face of the Ohio State fans. I'm like, all right, Bobby Carpenter probably feels how a majority of the Ohio State fans feel. So if I know how he feels, I feel like I know how the Ohio State fans feel. And it's like, they are not happy, if that's the case.

You know, Bobby's been doing local radio in Columbus for a long time. He just switched, and now he's doing the morning show, like like 6 to 9 a.m. with Anthony Schlegel, my other linebacker buddy. And I have a feeling that they spent a good amount of time going after some people that shut down the Big Ten. So you're telling me two out of the three on this box are doing morning radio in Columbus right now? Yeah.

They're Buckeye heroes. Oh, man, you don't want to wake up 4 a.m. for a 6 a.m. show? It could have been the entire... The whole box. The core. The core of the squad here. Too many mics. Can't have too many guys on the mic.

Too many mic linebackers or too many microphones? Hey, by the way, we have 45 mics on this show and our show. So it's... All right, AJ, I'm going to get the hell out of here. I'll see you on Thursday, brother. Sounds good, man. Thanks. Hey, not a bad show today. Not a bad show out, AJ, I'm going to get the hell out of here. I'll see you on Thursday, brother. Sounds good, man. Thanks. Hey, not a bad show today.

Not a bad show out of us, I think. Yeah, I think as football starts to get closer and closer for the NFL, we'll actually have real things and not just pump-up videos that people put out and you just instantly think they're going to be an all-pro. Relax. I have a great way of reading the room in situations. I am currently being a mediator for a rather large potential announcement for our show for this fall. I cannot leak that out because I'm not sure how close the deal is to being done.

But there is a deal that I am currently playing. What would that be called? The running and who? Oh, messenger? Telephone? Kenya? Negotiator? Yeah, but I'm not negotiating. Moderator? Agent? you are a mediator i'd be the media little man i'm like the pigeon they're sending me a

carrier pigeon yeah why are you but it's your show your channel why are you the yeah because we do business with people and that's that's kind of what i people like when i cut that promo and said i made a million dollars in seven different professions uh they started to add them up gotta think we're basically a marketing agency at this point too so there is a lot of i mean there's a lot of things that i have to handle it could be nine by the way by the end to be honest well 10 is going to be tough but eight nine are within grass right there i do believe so i mean there's a lot going on i think it's going to be a massive fall for us,

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