The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 243 - Big Show Big Show.. MJD, Lombardi, Darius Butler, & Legend, AJ Hawk Stop By For Some Great Conversation.

Episode Date: September 1, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys dive into everything that's been happening as we gear up for the start of the NFL season, and also welcome in some great guests. First, 3x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, NFL rushing leader in 2011, former Jacksonville Jaguars great, Maurice Jones-Drew joins the program to chat about what the hell is going on in Duval. Pat and MJD break down Leonard Fournette getting released, and what MJD thinks is going on in Jacksonville, if it can be fixed, and how exactly he would do that. He also chats about what it was like going back home to Oakland to play for a little bit, his thoughts on some of the new NFL stadiums, and what he realistically thinks the Jaguars record will be this year (:23-20:59). Next is another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ chat about everything going on in NFL training camp as we close in on the start of the regular season. They discuss Alvin Kamara missing three days of practice in a row in search for a contract, how that will impact the Saints this year, Derwin James needing knee surgery and how the Chargers will respond to that, some of the new pieces arriving in Tampa, whatever is going on in Jacksonville, along with everything else in training camp (22:23-1:28:20). Also joining Pat and AJ to chat about his distaste with Madden 21 and what needs to be done to fix the franchise after people were burning it down on social media, is friend of the program, Pat's former teammate, 9 year NFL veteran at DB, co-host of the Man-To-Man Pod, Darius Butler. (50:37-57:40). To close out the show, 3x Super Bowl Champion, former GM of the Cleveland Browns and Assistant to the Coaching Staff in New England is friend of the show, Michael Lombardi. Pat and Michael discuss all the videos coming out of Patriots camp and why Cam and Bill Belichick is such a perfect marriage, why he is beside himself with everything going on in Jacksonville, his thoughts on the Bears not naming a starting quarterback yet, and his philosophy as a GM. Mike also looks ahead to some of the lines for week 1 and gives everyone a few smart tips on how to handle all the different gambling numbers being thrown out there (1:31:30-1:57:17). Don't forget to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow as we will be doing a MASSIVE giveaway once we reach 1 million subscribers. We appreciate you all for allowing us to penetrate your ears. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

well hello it is tuesday september 1st already september got a good show for you today we talk about everything everything if you enjoy this show after listening to it today feel free to tell a friend to listen if you don't enjoy the show just act like it never fucking happened let's get to it ladies and gentlemen stud hold on i got something i got a hit here hold on i was sent this by the bookers maurice jones drew is an nfl network analyst and you can follow him on twitter at mjd one of the best handles of all time nfl network's inside training camp live coverage airs daily starting at 1 p.m eastern time it's a good time we got a pro bowler absolute stud all pro and the nfl rush yards

leader in the year 2011 from the jacksonville jaguars most of his career ladies and gentlemen marie jones what's up pat hey what's up with fucking duval county mj hey listen as a guy whose name is synonymous with the franchise there there's only a few. I think you, Fred Taylor, I believe Mark Brunel may be back in the day. I think there's only a few. Brant Boyer, who's a special teams stud, who's now the special teams guy for the Jets. There's only a few names synonymous with the Jacksonville Jaguars. So when you wake up and see everything that's going on down there, what are your initial thoughts? I mean, literally,

wake up and see everything that's going on down there. What are your initial thoughts? I mean, literally like I woke up, I woke up at seven 15 West coast time. My phone's blowing up. I got all these text messages. What's going on. And I'm,

I'm trying, I thought something had happened. I thought like, you know, like something crazy had happened. So I, you know, I instantly go on Instagram or Twitter to kind of see what happened.

I'm like, it doesn't make sense to me. Right. I think when you look at i guess the jags are trying to get rid of the coffin there whatever they had there but how do you continue to let well let me start this let me say this i am a little flustered right now that's all right take your time we're sounding running backs running backs do matter right running backs are people too i agree i just want to make sure i put that out there i agree um it to me it's just like you have this philosophy that you want to win you want to

throw the ball you want to do all this yet he's one of your most talented players on that team how do you win without talented players now we've had our battles back and forth right we've we've the colts jaguars imagine playing a game without reggie wayne and and and marvin harrison because they don't fit your system it makes no sense mj there's a lot of things that make no sense because just three years ago 2017 afc championship game with a lot of that roster by the way now gone get out of here not our culture not our system it's like well it was your culture in your system when you had the most success you had in a long time now you got to eliminate everybody but from the team basically are they just trying to build something new how are they how have they been able to

maintain their jobs through this entire thing i mean what is the whole deal down there again i'm i'm on the west coast now i'm not really i don't have uh i'm not in it like i used to be but i'll say this they've drafted well over the last couple years. The problem is they've had these high draft picks and then somehow, someway they trade them away for more draft picks. Like you can't win with draft picks. You're going to win with players, guys that you get on second-year deals, you know, guys that you get out of free agency that impact the game.

And they've had an issue right now with trading Jalen Ramsey away, Dante Fowler, Yannick Ngakwe. I mean, cutting Leonard Fournette, right? Trying to trade him away. You cut him. It's just like, why? Why not keep him and try to help unless you're tanking? And then, you know, I've heard the Zoom call.

I've heard the Zoom call with Doug Marone who was like, I'm not tanking. I'm trying to figure this out so for me it's just like I hope that the first round picks of the last couple years that are still there uh Taven Bryan Josh Allen um they have the two from this year I hope those guys are your type of players because those are those are really good players that you have to uh find a way to get them to their second and third contracts. Another guy they let go was Allen Robinson. Think about what he did in Chicago. He was a baller for the Jaguars.

You let him go into free agency because he tears his ACL. He gets paid by the Chicago Bears and has gone on to have a great career. So you have to make sure when you're making those decisions that they're the right decisions. You can't keep trading and signing guys that don't produce on the field. I was a part of a team that everybody outside of our locker room was saying we were tanking, right? Everybody was like, this team- You guys were though.

Let's be honest. Hey, I was punting the fucking shit out of that ball. You were. And listen, you were doing your job. Let's be honest. Okay. Well, hey, listen, that's what I was about to say, though. Players will never tank.

Okay? Players do not want to put bad stuff on film. Players want to make as much money as possible. Them not playing well is not good for them as a business, which is ultimately what the NFL is for players. This is our job. This is our profession. Yes, it's a game, but this is how you make a living.

So you can't play terribly. But, boy, it feels like now granted we had the same conversation about the dolphins last year and b flow in fitzpatrick wouldn't let him lose outright the cincinnati bangles who weren't trying to take somehow figured out how to lose better than everybody else but this feels like a lot of decisions are being made in an attempt to potentially re-establish their team with a guy like i don't know a big fabio trevor lawrence justin field something like that does it feel like that conversation is establish their team with a guy like, I don't know, a big Fabio, Trevor Lawrence, Justin field, something like that.

Does it feel like that conversation is obviously heading into full steam right now? No, it definitely does. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like I don't, I go back to what the Spurs did when they got Tim Duncan. Like, let's be honest. Everyone knew the Spurs were taking him and Popovich was like, listen, Tim Duncan is one of the best power forward centers in the game. Like, yes, we're trying to get him. Okay. They taking him. And Popovich was like, listen, Tim Duncan is one of the best power forward centers in the game. Like, yes, we're trying to get him.

Okay. They get him. Then they go on a tear. And I became a big Spurs fan through that time. They added Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, and other pieces. But Tim Duncan was that piece they were looking for. So if Trevor Lawrence is the guy that you're looking for, just say it. Like, don't tell me we're not tanking.

I don't know they're allowed to. And you keep making these moves. I think that's what makes the fan base so frustrated. Like, you can't trade away Jalen Ramsey, who I call the game now for the Los Angeles Rams, is probably the best corner in the NFL. And they have the best defensive Aaron Donald or rusher covers guy and Jalen Ramsey tandem in the league.

You can't tell me that guy isn't good enough to play for your team. His altercations on the sideline, I believe, is why the Jacksonville Jaguars were able to PR spin zone it. They were able to spin it like, oh, this guy isn't good for our locker room. But now Calais Campbell gets traded out of there. Everybody says he's a great leader in a locker room. Everywhere he's been, people are like, this guy's a good leader in a locker room. Now Yannick Ngakwe wants the hell out of there.

Leonard Fournette's cut. What are they trying to do? And how do they keep their jobs down there? it just because shod khan's just like hey i gotta pull it a bit i got a yacht here i got a team over here and he doesn't even know what's going on like does he even know what they're doing i'll say this shod khan definitely is involved i i think right now that he he's trying to give them more time like he feels like everyone deserves a second chance and so i'm about to tell you. He feels like everyone deserves a second chance. I'm about to tell you. He feels like everyone deserves a second chance.

I think they had a great run with a bunch of personalities. It didn't work out. Now they're trying to do it the opposite way. The problem is, it's going to take you four or five years to get back to where you were to that AFC Championship type of talent if you can get there. Let's remember, the Jaguars were

really healthy. Blake Bortles was playing lights out when they did it, and that defense was number one in the league. How do you get back to that in the next three or four years when you continually are trading guys away and letting guys go? I don't know. Hopefully it works out, though, because I'm always going to be a Jags fan. No matter what, I feel the Jags are going to go 16

and 0. That's just who I am. No, you don't. No, you don't. Come on. No, you don't. Come on. Every time I put it out there, I put 16 and 0. Just like I've done the same for the that's just who I am. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. Every time I put it out there, I put 16-0. Just like I've done the same for the Raiders, who I played for for like six months, and then the same for the Rams, who I work for currently. Those three teams will go 16-0, and if they don't play each other, they'll go 15-0 and one,

if they play each other. Yeah, because they'll tie, obviously. Right. You see what I'm saying? And then the Super Bowl should be the Rams versus either the Jags or the Ra raiders and then i get a ring regardless yeah i'm going with smart i see what you're doing there it's smart i just hope that there's there's more to what we're seeing now they stink here when i stink they stink when i hear when i hear doug marone say well he doesn't fit our philosophy my mind is like like, well, who does?

Because I've seen Leonard Fournette catch the ball 60 catches last year. So if you're trying to throw the ball, he could do that. He's your best running back with the ball in his hands. And I don't want to say he's cheap, but he's for what he does. And also. He's a rookie. Back in the day, he didn't perform as well as everybody thought he was going to. Remember, there's some stuff.

He went out and did like a peace a peace pipe out in wyoming came back eliminated and he became like him his best self and now it's like yeah get him out of here we finally got the best leonard fernet we could possibly have let's get him the hell out of here listen man i i am uh i woke up this morning more like so many emotions you know i'm not i try not to be emotional when it comes to business like this but you know getting it being around that organization seeing them at their highest with all those guys and then now seeing all those guys gone it's like like dang like are we really like what are we what are we doing and so all i could do is sit back i mean i've

been getting a lot of stuff on twitter and instagram um but at the end of the day it's like look all we could do is fans and sit back and you know you still got josh allen you have gardner mitchell who's a character and a really good football player you have some really good young receivers i mean we just gotta hope that they he can pull magic out of the hat pull the rabbit out of the hat and make it work babe like. I'm all for it. If that's what it takes. I'm still salty, but I want the Jags to win. Oh, man. That was an incredible little run you went on there.

We still got, you know... I can name some guys. You want me to name them? I don't know if you can anymore. You got my Bruin, Miles Jack. Hey, Miles Jack's still there. Okay. You got Allen. Josh Allen. Yeah. DJ Chart. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We Allen yeah DJ Chart oh yeah oh yeah

yeah yeah we still got DJ Chart Tyler Eifert if he stays healthy oh yeah the tight end yeah

Tyler Eifert keep going Josh Lambeau the kicker hey Josh Lambeau hey people are

you know punters are people too Joe Sherbert friend of the show Joe Sherbert Joe Sherbert so we got some pieces People are, you know, punters are people too. Joe Sherbert, friend of the show. Joe Sherbert. Joe Sherbert. So we got some pieces.

We've got to put it all together. I mean, I'm just giving you the optimism that I'm feeling. It's flowing now. So it is what it is. Hopefully it works out. All right, what's the team that you think is going to surprise this year? I really think this Patriots team. By the way, the Patriots have somehow painted themselves into a corner of not being good.

So whenever they're good all of a sudden, because Bill Belichick's the best coach in the history of coaches, it's going to be like, oh, nobody knew they were going to be good. It's like this team is so annoying

how good they are all the time. I love the Patriot mantra is everyone's against us. And they find a way every year if it's, you know, we don't have Tom Brady, we're going to go with Stidham, and the whole time they're trying to get Cam for like three months,

and then they get Cam in June. It's like, oh, here we go. The Patriots are going to be really good. I think the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to be, you know, your team, you know, where you're from, is going to be a tough team as well because you get big Ben back. Hopefully Connor can stay healthy. You know, Juju needs to step his game up as being the number one guy. But, I mean, they got a lot of young receivers there as well because you get big bin back hopefully connor can stay healthy you know juju needs to step his game up as being the number one guy but i mean they got a lot of young receivers

there as well and with that defense is gonna be crazy uh but i mean can i stop you there can i stop you there pittsburgh centers are my team they could have paid me they chose not to so look listen money's thicker than blood i i i completely agreed i went to oakland for six months to go back home that's all i mean i just to Oakland for six months to go back home. That's all I mean, I just went there for six months dabbled my foot in the water. Then I think you know, they decided I wasn't good enough to play and I retired but Tom Tomlin and I had a pretty good car like relationship. He

was the reason why I got drafted to be honest, because I had a workout in West Virginia. I wasn't invited to the combine. So my senior workout was like a massive day. And it happening in the stadium and the workouts were up in the indoor facility and it was cold as hell right it was cold as hell so they're like hey go down do you want to run I was like no no I don't want to run do you want to lift I'm like no they're like well people might not watch you kick then if you don't do anything else it's like oh I just want to be fresh for the kicking or whatever so as people are running 40s I'm like warming up and I'm just launching footballs into the roof boom like just trying to bang these things in the roof of our indoor facility as

hard as i can right yeah then they're like all right pat go down the field or whatever and i'm sitting down there for like 15 minutes and the real question is like will any scouts come down to the field to watch me kick right so literally i'm down there 15 minutes i'm like fuck they're not nobody's gonna come i should have just ran i should have did the lifting thing i should have done the whole thing and then tomlin comes walking down in front and it's tomlin and like 15 scouts or whatever and tomlin puts me through an entire workout it was like him putting me through a workout and everything and i like turned around i was like you're so nice man he was like bill stewart gave me my first job so bill stewart was our coach at the time he gave me my first job bill Bill Stewart says he likes you. And any, I think his exact words were,

any motherfucking that can kick a 51-yarder in Heinz Field should be in the NFL. And I was like, oh, I appreciate that, man. So he worked me out. So we had this relationship, this entire relationship throughout my entire career. And it got a little bit later in my career or whatever. And we would talk before every game.

And he was like, hey, I'm going to get your ass when you're old and cheap. I'm going to bring you back home. I want to let you know that. And I said, I ain't never going to be cheap. And I'm actually retiring after this year, so fucking take a hike. But was it nice going back home? Was it nice going back home to play in Oakland? Yeah, like, it was really expensive.

It became expensive because everybody, like, you forget how many friends you have, how many everybody, you know, they want to come. And I had a – but, you know, I enjoyed it because, you know, at the end of the day, I'm back at the crib. I had a place. I have a house there. Like I just wanted to come home, play in front of my grandfather who passed away.

His brother was still alive. So I wanted him to see me play in person. So I got a chance to get him on the field, which was pretty cool. And it was more of like a – you know, it was like that Derek Jeter walk-off. But instead it was just in Oakland. It didn't happen at every other stadium around where I went, but it was just in Oakland. You know what I mean?

So it was cool. Are the Raiders fans going to stick with them through Vegas, you think, or are they getting mad? Oh, yes. I mean, you have to remember, half of the Oakland Raiders fans were from Los Angeles anyways, right? Now, there's some that are upset. Don't get me wrong.

I took it personal because when I was practicing there, they had dudes from San Antonio, Vegas coming in, talking like it was crazy. But at the end of the day, like I lived near Mark Davis and we have some similar acquaintances or friends, you may say. And I understood like, look, this is a money play. Like you said, this is a business. And if Oakland wasn't willing to raise or help to fix that Coliseum, which isn't the best. I played in that in 2000 in high school, in a 2002 championship high school football game. It was the same stadium in 2014. It was like, all right. I got to go to where the money is. And so Vegas put up the money.

I actually got a chance to go. I drove down there on a day trip just to go see the stadium. It was pretty, it's pretty dope. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a dope stadium.

So the thing looks insane from the aerial shot. I can't believe they got it done. I can't believe they got SoFi stadium done there in Los Angeles. Have you seen that inside of that as well? Yeah. I've been in there twice. That, that is bananas.

I, I've been wondering though, like with all these stadiums, all that's going on, like you have to try to wait to, to make some money back. I know concerts are going to happen you're going to have different venues but why not put a nightclub in one of these places right like sofi stadium is literally about to be in the middle of they're going to make this thing called hollywood park there's gonna be all type of

stuff everywhere like i would put a nightclub in sofi stadium just thursday friday you get a little you know income some extra yeah some extra income coming in. You know, it just, it's, it's crazy. You both like these new stadiums that are coming up. I've been to Minnesota. Obviously I played in Lucas oil, Dallas. There's getting bigger and crazier by the second. Hey, Jerry has a nightclub in there. I think, I believe there's a nightclub happening in Jerry's during the games

though. Whenever you, there was like, there was go-go dancers at one point. I saw a door in warm. I remember. I remember I remember I was like what the fuck is going on hey they were like suspended above it was insane it was a circus in there Jerry Jones so we we we played them the first time they opened it that year they opened it and uh I remember going in there I'm like yo we got I'm telling my team like guys like don't be distracted by all the craziness. Like, it's this big TV, and there's go-go dancers, cheerleaders everywhere, and people like, like, listen, we just got to go in there and play ball.

Like, you can't let this distract you. Some of the young dudes were out there like, what is this? You get guys that come from, like, middle America that don't see anything. You get guys that come from, like, Alabama with, like, these small towns, and you go to these places where there's what a 50 yard TV in there.

Everybody, by the way, hey, everybody on the sidelines like this in Dallas. No question. Even if you're right on the field, you're just literally looking straight up like this. I would assume that SoFi Stadium in LA is the same way? Same way. People are getting shocked. It circles the whole field. SoFi Stadium in L.A. is the same way? Same way. But his is a –

People are getting shocked. It circles the whole field. The big thing was when you're looking up at the TV, keep an eye on the action that's about to take your knees out. It was a big deal. People were just getting sniped on the sideline because they're just watching up there. And, oh, my God, that's my side of the field.

Just absolutely – Have you seen the little – I don't know if it's on. Someone made like a clip of dudes just getting ran over on the sideline. I think half of it is guys in Dallas, like those old doctors are looking up, and the guy just catches them right in the chin. Set them down. Like, bro, you're on the sideline of an NFL game.

These dudes are running full speed at you. You're looking up, like watching as this guy is about to just take you out. Yeah, something's going to happen. By the way, probably not a lot of people on the sidelines for the Jacksonville Jaguars this year, if I had to guess. There'll be a couple of us there. We'll still do that. I think they're trading away.

They're going to trade you. They're going to trade away your record. They're going to send your records to another team. They cannot trade me, right? Like you said, you're not cheap. So to trade me, it costs a lot. All right? Seems like they might do that.

There's a lot of stuff that goes with trading me, too. You just can't get me up out of there. You've got to unroot a lot of stuff that we did in the community there. Well, by the way, I appreciate you doing that. That's one of the staples of MJD, by the way, is taking care of people. How do you feel about Yannick Ngakwe saying, I'll take $6 million less, get me the hell out of here? That was a bigger statement about everything than I think anything else.

Oh, no question. I actually, and when Yannick first got in the league, we had the same agent. And, you know, he's a, like, I think sometimes we try to understand people, but you don't have to understand everyone. Like, it's like you said, it's a production-based business. If he's out there getting sacks, sack fumbles, strip sacks, recovering, like, okay, you're going to be you. Just do that for me.

But for someone to take $6 million less to leave a team, that tells you a lot. And that's where I think you have to do some, if it's PR or if it's like getting a private investigator to kind of go in and figure out your culture you need to figure that out because that that is a problem because now it's gonna be hard to get free agents to go there because guess what jaylen ramsey's on here tweeting about like glad you got out like you're free now like like what is all that like how do we get players that want to come unless you're gonna you know again like, again, like we've done in the past, pay these dudes crazy money where they're never going to be able to reach that expectation

because of the money that they're getting. Well, MJD, I hope you potentially get back on the field for them because the Jaguars need it. Maybe get out there. Don't you wish that evil on me. Yeah, yeah. Don't you wish that on me. Maurice Jones-Drew returning to the Jaguars 2020.

The world has seen much more crazy things, ladies and gentlemen. Three-time All-Pro stud, MJD. Appreciate you, man. Oh, yeah. Woo! See you later, bub. That is, hey, there's pain coming through there. Oh, yeah.

When he's talking about it. There is not a lot of promise if you're down there in Jacksonville Jaguars, man. I mean, Joe Schobert just signed down there. They're getting a few free agents. It's so interesting, isn't it? Because they signed him for some pretty good money, like $30 million, $40 million. He had like 140 tackles.

Yeah, like stud. Yeah, good player. And the Browns are paying a bunch of people, and they just let him get out of there and say, go ahead, you go down to the Jacksonville Jaguars. But aside from him, hey, we just tried to name off the roster. You heard us try to do it. It was live on air trying to read off the roster.

And I think we got, what, nine names, ten names? Hey, but you know what, though? That team might come together, right? That Jacksonville Jaguar team is being talked about as a team that's tanking. They might come together like no team has ever done in the past. They might be in that locker room looking each other eye to eye but socially distanced apart and say, hey, nobody fucking believes in this team. But you know what we're doing down here in Duval?

We're building a team around Gardner Minshew and a culture that likes to win football games, but not too many games. Because if we do win too many games, we're going to blow the whole fucking thing up. Let's be successful and enjoy our ride here in Duval. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Today's show is brought to you by Roman. Obviously, everybody knows Roman is the men's health brand that is trying to help you be the best you.

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Has the tweet been sent through so we can pull it up? It has. Okay, here we go. It absolutely has. Saints running back Alvin Kamara has had an unexcused absence from training camp the past three days, and it is believed to be contract related. Oh.

So unexcused absence means they're setting it up to find the shit out of him okay this was not agreed upon this was not both sides here talking about this is an unexcused absence three days of missing it it's going to get a bit pricey but will it go any further alvin kamara last year was not the focal point of the offense like he was two years ago whenever he broke out onto the scene in fantastic fashion he was the conversation around every Saints game basically was hey they have this running back in Kamara who not only is incredibly cool not only is he incredibly smooth but he is unbelievable last year Michael Thomas took the focal point of the offense away from Alvin Kamara he knows is this his last year of his contract is this last year of his rookie deal he's going to make 2.3 million

okay 2.3 million and we, $2.3 million. And we have already talked about how many free agent running backs are after this season. If you look at the list of free agent running backs, Alvin Kamara's on there. James Conner's on there. Dalvin Cook's on there. I mean, you just go through basically. Aaron Jones.

You're talking about there is 10 premium running backs that are all free agents next offseason. Alvin Kamara, this is a smart business decision, but if he doesn't get the deal, he's going to get fined and he's going to find a tough market next offseason. This is a good move business-wise, but we'll have to see how this thing all pans out because, boy, the Saints know that there's about nine guys other than him that are going to be on the free agent block next offseason, and they might be able to get somebody for very, very cheap.

If it's three days, by the way, that means it's not going well. Because if he threatened to leave camp and they were like, all right, let's get a deal done, we can get a deal done. And they said, no, he leaves camp. It's not like they got it done the first day. It's not like they got it done the second day. Now they're into three days and it's unexcused. They still don't have a deal done.

Tough for Alvin Kamara, but this is the business. Hey, Melvin Ingram over there is holding in. Alvin Kamara said, I don't care what the new CBA says. I don't care how much you can find me. I'm going to get the fuck out of here. I do not want to be a free agent alongside all those other guys. I assume that it's different in the language of every contract, but what do you think he's getting fined every day for missing practice?

It's probably a rather large amount of money, I would assume. Because Diggs, I mean, during last season, he lost $250,000. Exactly. A lot of change. Because you get fined for every single thing you miss. Because Diggs, I mean, during last season, you know, he lost $250,000. Because you get fined for every single thing you miss. Team meeting, lift, walkthrough, practice, this. You get fined for every single thing, and that thing can just start stacking up. And it's all conduct detrimental to the team, by the way,

which is an even bigger thing. Joining us now, Super Bowl champ. By the way, we fucking hit everything. Wow. That's a show. That's a show. That's a show. Hell yeah. Now's the beginning of a brand new show every single day,

Monday through Friday, except Wednesday of this week, because he has a previous obligation with his brother-in-law. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, greatest draw line in the history of sports, Mr. A.J. Hoff. What's happening, guys? Hey, I think the max fine is $30K a day if you miss training camp. So that's $90,000.

Is that on the new CBA, or is that just what you've learned throughout your travels here? I don't know. It honestly could be on the old CBA. I remember seeing that somewhere, but yeah, it could be the old CBA. When did they get the new one done during COVID? Like during the break? Yeah. Well,

that's why the Melvin Ingram thing was happening where he was holding in. Right. Because they were like, well, new CBA says if he shows up, they can't find them. Blah, blah,

blah. I don't know if they changed the price or whatever, but Alvin Kamara holding out, it has to be because he has seen the free agent market for running backs next off season. I mean, it is a plethora of talent at the running back position that are going to be because he has seen the free agent market for running backs next offseason. I mean, it is a plethora of talent at the running back position that are going to be on the market. Here we go.

Derrick Henry, he's up after a franchise tag with Tennessee. Leonard Fournette, he's actually been cut. He's a free agent right now. Dalvin Cook, Aaron Jones, Mixon, Kamara, Phillip Lindsey, Marlon Mack, who, if he can stay healthy, incredible running back. Last year, he had signs of greatness. Todd Gurley, Kenyon Drake. I mean, you name it. James Conner, he's not on there.

He'll be up as well. There is a lot of other notables. Kareem Hunt. How is he not on the fucking thing? James Conner, Matt, you get it, Tariq Cohen, and Chris Carson from Seattle. This is an incredibly loaded free agent running back market. If Dalvin Cook tried to get a deal before he got in there, it didn't work. Alvin Kamara's trying right now.

That is smart business, but I don't know how it's going to work out knowing that the team knows that all those people are going to be available next offseason and not everybody can get paid. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's probably a smart move by Kamara trying to jump out ahead of all this, but if the Saints really want to flex a little bit on them, what if they brought in Len Fornette for a workout? He just got released and like, oh, hey, what's Fornette doing in town? We're just working out, kicking tires, trying to see what he's like.

Do you think that would bring Kamara back quicker? And Fornette, by the way, they said they tried to trade him. Doug Marone's exact words were, we tried to trade him. We couldn't get a fifth, couldn't get a sixth. Yeah, why did he take a shot? You had to take a shot at him on the way out? We couldn't get anything for this guy. I don't know, but if you're another team

and you see that nobody else wanted to trade for him as well, you could probably pay Leonard Fournette accordingly, knowing that there wasn't a lot of interest in the market and the trade market, unless everybody thought he was going to get cut. I would assume that they'd be able to get Leonard Fournette at an okay price. Not that crazy of a price.

How much is Alvin Kamara making? 2 point what? 2.3. 2.3 million dollars? If you can sign him for one year at $2 million, which is potential. I don't know what the market is for Leonard Fournette unless I call all the GMs I have in my Rolodex. That's fucking none of them. I don't know what the whole market's going to be.

But it feels like this is something where Leonard Fournette to the Saints would be quite a gangster move if they were to do that. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I don't think it's going to happen. But Kamara going into camp, I know, was quoted as saying, like, oh, I'm not worried about my contract situation right now. He probably was trying to stay, like, you know, hold the company line and be a good teammate and try to say, like, I'm not going to hold out. And they probably just haven't gotten anywhere with a new contract.

So he's like, all right, man, the only leverage I have is if I take off. Leaving camp, though, is a big decision because you've got to threaten to leave camp first, so somebody has to know that hey if you hey y'all keep i'll get out of here i will leave camp right now like no you won't no you won't then you leave camp and it's not like day one they get a deal done like hey we don't want you to be gone let's figure this out day two now we're three days into this thing and they're presenting it as an unexcused absence so they can find the hell out of them this is a potential buttoning situation that could be massive saints also have latavius murray so like if kamara if if he misses a week or two you could you could win games with latavius

murray as you're running back last year boy this is a problem he did have 81 catches i mean they do throw the rock to him they need him well now uh What's his name? Taysom Hill. Taysom Hill slips right in. Oh, man. I forgot about Taysom Hill. What did he get? $7 million this year? $8 million? What's Taysom Hill get? Two years, six.

I'm on it. I think he's making $7, $8 million. Yeah. He'll go in the backfield every once in a while. The Saints, though, what an interesting place that is right now, I bet. I mean, that's an interesting building. How does it work, though? When Kamara does get this thing settled,

does he have, like, a two two-day reacclimation period where he has to pass three negative COVID tests? How does that work? Yeah, he probably has to get quarantined. AQ had to be locked up in his room for a few days before he had like either two or three negative tests before he could even go work out for them. And then working out for them, he had to pass another test,

the whole thing, for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I assume it's a four- or five-day process. So three unexcused absences actually becomes maybe seven to eight days out of it which is valuable time for a running back in training camp we've talked to a lot of running backs who have held out during training camp Chris Johnson notable one told us that he would never do it again because he was out of shape he said he felt out of shape he didn't feel as if he was as prepared or anything like that and if you look at melvin gordon last year in uh for the chargers he held out didn't have the year he had i think running back is a position where i don't you don't have to be alvin kamara is obviously a freak athlete but that feels like a position where you have to be in there like you have to

you have to be in i just hope he i hope he gets paid i hope he has a great year but i don't see how that's going to happen i mean we're just he's probably looking around and seeing like wow man like i got everybody is just devaluing the running back position more and more as time goes when you see 104 net let go which i love how what they try to say it's strictly for on the field like bro production like okay we we know it's not you took a shot at the guy on the way out here the head coach doug marone we couldn't do anything nobody wanted we've been trying to trade this guy for six months, and nobody cares. You don't have to do that. If you truly, I don't know.

I don't know. I guess they must have a pretty poor relationship. I know they've had issues back and forth over the years. Did you hear what MJD said, Maurice Jones-Drew said earlier on the show? No. He gave up hope. It sounded a lot like he said, I think the Jaguars are going to go 16-0, which is what I say every year, but it doesn't make sense to me what they're doing.

They're getting rid of everybody. It is a clearance sale. Everything must go. Gardner Minshew's our guy. You can't name another player here. We don't care. This is what we're doing. It's wild to me what's going on down there, AJ.

I mean, legitimately wild. No player will ever try to tank because they want to get paid. But it sure feels like the idea here is to potentially suck as bad as you possibly can for a much brighter future. Michael Lombardi told us just a couple minutes ago, he thinks after the season, after the suck fest, it's going to get blown up and they're going to try to restart with a coach and give him kind of control of everything, which is what you have to do.

But do you think like Dabo Sweeney is the guy to potentially give an entire franchise to? I mean, I guess you don't know until you try, but that's what Michael Lombardi said. He feels like they're probably going to do. Actually. First off,

I, I, I tuned in as soon as Lombardi jumped on the show with you. Oh, Hey, welcome to the show. Hey, Hey,

Jay, watch your show. Thank you, man. I like to, I like to watch it. And I love that Lombardi legit took shots at maybe 15 different people. It was unbelievable.

He sawed down every human. MVP Mitch got one out of nowhere. I mean, then also the other draft picks that are on Solomon Thomas. You remember that guy? I mean, Lombardi sawed down everybody, but he's right about David Caldwell down there and Doug Marone. He feels like they're going to get blown up, and they just kind of they're lame ducks right now kind of sitting here watching the entire team kind of folding around it well if you're shot con what do you have to

lose like you might as well like whatever you do if you blow it up after this season don't you think they're a team that you for some reason whatever whether because their expansion team whatever it is no week nobody really cares about the Jags for some reason. They're in the AFC Championship game how many years ago, and people never even really looked at them like a true threat, I feel like, unless you were a diehard Jags fan. And they've had some solid players. We know that. Their defense was rolling that year.

But with Ngakwe just taking a big pay cut to go to Minnesota, and they can tag him the following year too. Like, man, guys are really wanting out of this place. What's happening down there? Oh, $6 million less. Send me out of the Florida weather too and the no state tax. Send me into Minnesota. Send me into the tundra and to the state tax.

Anything to not be a Jaguar, I am in for. I mean, it's just, that's a wild scene down there in Jacksonville. Fucking wild, wild scene. Well, I guess MJD wasn't there with Marone. I would love to talk to some people on the inside there and just figure out, like, what what's it like? Does Gardner Minshew even like it? Is Gardner going to demand a trade here

after this season? Well, Gardner, they're kind of building this team around him, right? His football team. Let's get Nick Foles out of here. Let's go ahead and, remember, they started giving out mustaches and jorts last year headbands they started really like marketing around him that's why whenever when big richard nick foals came back they had to get rid of him yeah minshu mania was a real thing because they didn't want big richard to potentially steal that shine but you got two games in london every single year you got a fan base that i would assume is

trying to hold on to some optimism but there's absolutely nothing if you're shod khan as a businessman at some point you got to be able to turn this thing around and i would assume he said fuck it we've kind of sucked forever let's just completely suck and move forward but everybody's going to get fired down there and it's going to be changed but i mean that is high profile don't you think they need a high profile hiring like a dabbo sweeney would make waves like you know he would be dabbo in his press conferences and create some buzz i just i don't know i don't know if dabbo has if he wants to coach in the nfl i don't know if his would if it would carry over and he'd be successful hey listen we're playing football down here in jacksonville he is a very southern man i mean he

is a very very by the way i learned learned this this weekend. Speaking of Southern, this is the transition you only see on this type of show. Kentucky Fried Chicken's first store in Utah. Fucking unbelievable. Really? No shit. Yeah. Unbelievable. Utah.

Utah. Did you know that? Is that where the curls from? Warming. It's been considered KFC for years. For some reason, with some kind of patent or trademark, they can't say Kentucky Fried Chicken. Well, they try to get healthy, so it's Kentucky Fresh Chicken is what they changed to. It was KFC Kentucky Fresh Chicken. They're always doing the most, but I was

very intrigued to know that White Castle was the first fast food. White Castle was the first fast food. McDonald's came after that. Then KFC was founded in Utah. First ever one was in Utah. What did you watch to where you learned

all this? Pizza Hut was in Wichita, Kansas. Shout out to them for making it. And Pizza Hut, by the way, the first fast food to be delivered to the International Space Station. That delivery charge was $1 million. Nice. Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut. Out of this world.

Nobody knows if this is true, though. Nobody knows whatever website you read this on or whatever documentary you watched on YouTube. We don't know. We can't fact check this. Yeah, you can. No, it's true. Who paid the million dollars? The U.S. government? Russia. I think it's Russia Space Station. Thank you very much. Who ordered the pizza?

It was probably them. Pizza out of this world. Pizza Hut. It's like when AQ ordered those 15 pizzas for your bathroom. Yeah. That was not well received, and I don't think that actually turned out to be a hero move, and AQ knew that. Hey, AQ down there, down there in Tampa, he's putting a towel in his ass. He is doing – I saw a couple photos.

There's a towel hanging out of his pants down there. He's a dictator. Yeah, you'd have to. I know there's been times where centers have to change pants at halftime because it's so hot out. The game is so humid and the guy's so hot, he sweats completely through his pants. And this is obviously back in the day when guys were taking more snaps

from under center and the quarterback's hands are drenched because the center is just sweating that much so they make him change pants at halftime. And that particular sweat there is the one that's really known for not being the worst sweat on the entire body. You know what I mean? Just kind of go ahead and put your hands right into the most disgusting part cesspool of the body also these guys are 300 pounds okay big guys i assume they eat very healthy so their sweats probably the cleanest sweat of all time too

and oh my god by the way some of them don't wear anything under their game pants some guys accidentally pee every once in a while whenever they get excited too i mean and you're just sticking here's 500 million dollar hands just sticking right up in there. Here you go. Let's go for it, boys. Quicko shotgun. This guy sweats like a mother. That's why I didn't play quarterback in the NFL.

Smart. Smart. That's why any time I played quarterback, I was 15 yards from the line of scrimmage. I just didn't want to do it. You know what I mean? Stay back there. Hey, you still never answered why. Look at that.

Where you learned all those fun facts about fast food places. it was a documentary for sure it was on netflix i forget the name of it but everything i just said was factual so he used to go around and license his chicken and spices and recipes to everyone and then they got bought out uh someone bought him out for a low sum decent amount of money at the time but man he got short balled and the stick there turns out they were the first one to franchise by the way they were kfc was the first one to franchise and they just sent their chicken to places they don't know like they wouldn't tell them the recipe they just sent the stuff to them and then obviously the franchising world happened there's um 2.4 oh shit a lot of numbers uh five point oh shit this whole conversation like i'm trying to i'm trying to find a way to be

entertained by what like what fast food restaurants have done and when they were established well you need to have a little respect mcdonald's is first one to go worldwide by the way i love documentaries i watch some of the slowest worst documentaries there are like other people hate so i understand i'm sure this one's a good one this is just change change everything. By the way, McDonald's was the face of America to a lot of game of the fast food world. It took them, took them by storm, didn't it? Yeah. By the way. Yeah.

And I am a guy, by the way, that likes McDonald's. So, and I'm proud. McDonald's was the thing. Spicey Nugs. I do. Spicey Nugs coming September 16th. Shout out. Shout out to them.

But the, umcdonald's was the face of like america for a lot of countries there for a while there's videos where people were like this is america and they were like eating a big mac and i'm like oh that's why everybody thinks we're bitchy fat asses which by the way we are i mean they talked about how 56 percent of adults are obese now and they think fast food is potentially i mean the fact that the documentary turned sour there pretty quickly but there's a lot of stats up there. Ray Kroc, he got the best of the McDonald's boys, too. Who?

Ray Kroc, the guy who bought the franchising rights from them. Yeah, smart play. The movie with Michael Keaton, right? Yeah, big scumbag. Well, then you got to remember the Do Not Pass Go thing. I mean, that was a great documentary, too, with McDonald's. Oh, that was great. Oh, McMillions?

What was that called? McMillions. McMillions, yeah.'s yeah fast food is a part of our culture a lot more than i thought by the way the amount of stores dirty game outlandish documentary is an eye-opener um by the way this is uh do we have uh intro yeah one second you are uh listening and watching uh an incredible show that is called mcee and Hawk starts show have to separate the two smart this is how you do it

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AJ used to tackle quarterbacks and he's a rust Belt kind of guy. Maccafee and Huff. That's the butter of the ticket for the 2010 kicking piss with some students. This guy. It's Maccafee and Huff.

AJ Huff. It's Maccafee and Huff Sports Talk. It's Maccafee and Huff. Audio's out. No, I keep the audio up. AJ, did you see this about the... Yeah. Derwin James. Sorry, man.

Sorry. It's been a long show. Derwin James has a meniscus tear. He already had surgery. This guy, all pro, superstar, obviously young safety for the Chargers. One of their studs, a meniscus trim, which can be four or so weeks or a full repair, which can be several months. I have seen Eric Walden get a meniscus surgery and come back like three weeks later, I think four weeks later. I've seen numerous people have this surgery and

return in either a month or less. I would assume that was the option they did for Derwin James, but this is going to be a painful year for him, which could hurt, especially in the secondary. This guy's an absolute stud, yeah. And I'm sure they're not going to want to rush him back. And a knee scope is not like a crazy serious thing. I think I've had six of them. You can trim it off, like they said in the tweet.

I hope they're right when they say they trim it and then just cut it out. Or if you repair it, they sew your cartilage that's torn i guess and that's a much longer recovery that's something you do like in the off season not during the season usually so four weeks so what when does that put him back when when's the first game so we're at two weeks out almost three so probably like week three he's back if he goes out a full month but that's going to be it's still if they trim it that doesn't fix the issue though there's still going to be some pain and catch in there that's why the entire recovery thing is going to happen which could change i've had uh both i've had three i believe uh scopes there they are pretty quick recovery depending on how deep you go in there but with

derwin james that's a player they need over there i would assume a lot of decisions are being made like hey you're going to be great for us for like another five ten years which we have to figure out ten years but also like this year we can't just completely kind of mail it in on i feel like this is something that has to happen i'll be intrigued to see how they balance that especially with the rehab for that thing it's it's going to be a tenuous uh cycle of rehab for the guy yeah it definitely will but they're going to be leaning on their defense heavily you would imagine with with bosa and ingram coming off the edge like their defense should be very very good very good chris harris too oh yeah i mean yeah these guys on hard knocks you're right did you watch last night right no it's on tuesdays i by the way i thought the same thing i thought it was on

sundays as well but and by the way nobody's watching it so fucking yeah what's going on why nobody why is that i don't know i i tweeted that nobody's watching it. So fucking, you're right. Yeah, what's going on? Nobody. Why is that? I don't know. I tweeted that nobody's watching it. And I got a couple of Hard Knocks diehard people that were like, everybody's watching HBO Max, HBO On Demand. Nobody's watching it live. It's like, okay, I understand. I understand.

But I'll tweet about Hard Knocks and there is nothing. Now, that could be the algorithm, which is why we're going back to pander Twitter. If you'd like to be a part of my pander party on Twitter, go ahead and retweet the tweets that I send out the next couple of days that are strictly pandering to Twitter's algorithm. But nobody's talking about hard knocks at all. I'm enjoying it, actually. I've been enjoying it to get to learn about these teams.

But I think I'm watching it for a different reason than, like, the guys here wanted to see, like, the bubble guys, like, their story and learn about them. Like, I don't give a damn about that. Like, I want to see what Anthony Lynn's like on a daily basis. I want to see what Sean McVay's like. What are their meetings like as opposed to the meetings I was a part of? That's why I enjoy Hard Knocks, but it's a much different world,

and nobody's fucking watching it. Yeah, also, it used to be the only way to be able to see stuff like that. Now teams are putting out their own content on social media and their websites and their own series even. Just no one looks to Hard Knocks. Smart, by the way. The NFL, I would assume when they negotiated with HBO, there was not a clause in there that each individual team

couldn't do their own Hard Knocks episode. I would assume that was something with HBO, there was not a clause in there that each individual team couldn't do their own Hard Knocks episode. I would assume that was something that wasn't thought about. But what a groundbreaking series. I was a big fan of it watching it while I was in the league and one of the first few years it was out there. I loved it. Was the first year of Hard Knocks, the Ravens with Shannon Sharp and Ray Lewis,

or was it already established? Yeah, I believe that was the first one. And they were in the Super Bowl too. Yeah, and there was a couple moments that you look back to. I mean, when they were at the Bengals, obviously there was a couple things. I remember that horn in the morning that would wake them all up. And I was like, if they did that where I was, I'd fucking, what are we doing here?

That gave me nightmares because when I went to basketball camp when I was in high school, we'd go to stay in a dorm, go to a basketball camp for four days with our high school coach and everybody. Like 4.30 in the morning or something crazy, they would go down the hall at every single door too. You could hear them 15 doors down, and you'd just get up and stand at your door. You're like, I got it nine doors ago, bud. I heard you.

You don't have to – and he was still coming right in front of your room. Terrible. Were you at a military – it sounds like you were at a military basketball. You played for the Bengals though. Were you there for training camp, and is that something they still did i was there for camp now they didn't they didn't wake you up we were in a hotel when i was i think that was back when we were at georgetown they used to travel to that college and do it oh so it was fake for the show no i'm sure that happened remember didn't they cut a guy like at five in the morning

too like i remember there was different ones when guys will get cut i'm like this is not how you have to do it. They would wake a dude up at 4 in the morning and cut him or something. Yeah, we're on HBO, so we got to do this now. Your dream of being on team, gone. Bring your iPad. Avante Davis obviously has one of the most memorable moments in Hard Knocks history. I mean, that worked out very well for the Colts.

Very, very well for the Colts. But we were watching Hard Knocks as he came to the team. You know? He was very interesting. Cool guy. One of the coolest dudes I've ever encountered, to be honest with you. Retired at halftime.

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No, I'm not. Me neither. But let me tell you why this is going to be eye-opening to you and I. So there was a big movement on the internet this weekend that was like NFL… NFL 21? NFL Stop EA or something like that. Or NFL… What was the exact thing? I forget what it was. Hashtag… I saw it in the group earlier. NFL Stop EA or something like that. Or NFL, what was the exact thing?

I forget what it was. Hashtag NFL Drop EA. Okay, so the EA is obviously for EA Sports. It's in the game. They obviously own Madden. But the Madden community on the internet fucking hates the Madden makers of EA. I did not know this was a real thing because we're not really in the video game community,

you and I, AJ, but the Madden community is sick of EA Sports. They want the NFL to cut their relationship with EA Sports. They want somebody else to make the NFL game the football game because people, I think, enjoy playing it and love the thought of what it could be. But I guess EA Sports is just dropping the ball completely. I'm not a big video game player.

Neither are you. So to bring in, there's a guy who was tweeting this weekend about it, good friend of ours, Darius Butler, to chit-chat. He's not on. He has not answered. He just gave me the little red button. Looks like hashtag NFL drops EA. I'll try again right now.

Well, no, I think they were both trending. There's a few of them? Yeah, you got to remember, anytime something like that trends, there's going to be alternative hashtags being used as well. The typo will also. The typo trend will always go. But I guess, now, Ty, you're a big Madden player.

That meme, that Spider-Man meme about Madden in the entire thing, like that is how a lot of people feel is that the EA sports are just very lazy. They have not gotten on with it. It was trending, and it was very loud. I got tweets this morning that were like, is there any way you could potentially talk about this on your show?

We need more people to know about it. What is it? Yeah, I mean, I always knew that people didn't like it, but I think only recently the public outcry has gotten so bad. I saw the couple screenshots got released of the new game, and some guy zoomed in really tight, and you can see that it still said Madden 19 on there and the crowd and Madden 20. So they really don't.

I mean, it's like polishing up a turd. They don't do shit. They just change the rosters over pretty much. I hear somebody that was tweeting about it, a little bit upset, who plays the game a lot, ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Yeah! Woo!

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What is the problem with Madden, and why does everybody hate EA Sports for it? It just hasn't developed for a long time man it hasn't developed it's got real glitchy got real glitchy the real football movements like aren't there I actually like a few months ago maybe two weeks ago I like reached out to Twitter like hey man let me come in and help you fix this game because this like you said it's like a. I grew up playing Madden as a kid. I always wanted to be on Madden. Like, obviously, I wanted to make it to the NFL.

But, like, being on Madden was a big deal, checking your ratings. Like, that was a big deal. So, I don't play it as much anymore. And part of it is because it hasn't – Oh, that's Madden. Because it hasn't developed and got better. So, it's definitely a lot of room for improvement. I want it to get better, man.

So that's why everybody hates you, just because the game isn't as good as it could be or as it should be in the year 2020. And the Madden community is like, listen, we gave you a chance in 2017, 2018, 2019. This is bullshit. It's costing us how much money is the new game? $60.

$60, and you're just giving us the same game with new jerseys on it. Is that why everybody's upset at EA Sports? Is that because you've got a different part. You've got different modes. Some people like the Mutt mode. Some people like playing franchise. Like, I'm a franchise guy.

I wanted to create a franchise. I wanted to sign guys. I wanted to game plan. Extinguish all this type of stuff. That mode is horrible. So playing that, and then you just look back, and the game was I feel like so much better like 10 15 years ago now you see a lot of people

talking about when 2k had the game and you know back in back like 2005 and how that game is still better than today's game so it's just it's so much room to grow and people feel like EA has gotten lazy on their part on making it a better product because they have exclusive rights to the NFL roster. That's why you see the hashtag, I think, NFLDropEA, because the fans want a better product. I can't blame them. It's like anywhere.

If they don't have any competition, why wouldn't they get lazy? It sounds like EA is comfortable. If they have exclusive rights for the rosters and nobody else does, there's no one else that can push them off that ledge. It's got to be the NFL that dump them because there's no other company that's going to come in and take it over i would feel like i'm getting bamboozled that's what they feel like yeah oh yeah i'm getting you're hustling me out of 60 every year and it's the same old bullshit yeah exactly because the

price is going up so the price is going up i need the game to get better i need the game to improve you got players if you look on any of these players, like they're, oh, you know, I'll add you to my team or I'll play against you. And you go look at the comments. It's a bunch of comments just destroying the game. You see a lot of people posting customer reviews. So it's all, I don't understand how they're that, you know, unaware to fix it at this point.

It got a.4 or something like that out of 100. It got a.4. No, out of 10? hundred it got a point or no out of ten no out of a hundred yeah i believe so it got a point four score from the community the madden community out of like a hundred or something i don't even know how that's even possible we gotta we gotta get their attention man we gotta get something going like i'm a part of the community i don't want to see him go i like the you know if it's in the game it's in the game i grew up with that man so we gotta we got to figure something out, man. We got to. The internet was loud this weekend.

I mean, the internet was loud this weekend. Well, and why would they care? Because like you said, they have the exclusive, right? All these people are bitching after the fact when they've already bought the game. So it's like. Well, next year will be better. I haven't bought the game. Exactly.

I haven't bought it this year. Oh, so you're. Because last year, I was so disappointed last year that I stopped. I usually play it through the football season and then I stopped. Last year,

I stopped playing it a lot earlier. And then this year, I didn't even buy it. Bless you. Bless you. You know, my boy, and Lamar Jackson's on it.

You know, you would think, you know, try to get younger fans. And the thing about it too is, now that I think about it, fans are more educated now, right? So fans know when you're doing unrealistic things.

I know a lot better today than I knew 15 years ago. Just watch them where they're consuming more. So now it's like you don't just have the players who are looking at it like, come on, my linebacker's five yards deep. You wouldn't pick off a seam route that's 25 yards down the field. Fans will know that

so they got to do something they got to do something quick man hey you're boycotting it i assume a lot of other people are and the internet is loud they'll have to change something or how long do they have the deal for isn't 2k coming back i think 2k is coming back i think uh i think the deal's up i'm 90 wrong on this bro i. I'll sit off for a year. Somewhere four or five years, that area. 90% wrong? I mean, what's 10% chance? I've never heard somebody preface a statement that, listen, I'm about 90% wrong here, but this month.

I may say 90% chance it will be wrong. 2026. 2026, you were right. Hey, five, six years you said. It was set to expire after 2021 but they extended it ladies and gentlemen uh we'll talk to you again this week i assume with something about something uh how do you feel about alvin kamara sitting out three days so far wait what now that's news to me okay so they adam shepter just reported it today he said alvin Kamara has had three unexcused absences from training camp,

and they think it's due to business situation. So the Saints are already framing that, right, with unexcused absence that they are going to fine him and the entire thing. He's sitting out as opposed to sitting in or holding in like Melvin Ingram. He's actually left training camp already. I don't know how this is going to work out, but there is a packed running back market next offseason. This is a big deal.

He's up next year, right? Yeah. So, yeah. Wow, that's interesting. That's very interesting. But, I mean, if there's one offense that can keep it moving without one of their key players, it's the Saints. So, I feel like they got the leverage right now, unfortunately.

They have all the leverage, by the way. Yeah, unfortunately. There's 10 free agent running backs coming up in the free agency, and they have Latavius Murray, and they can pick and choose who has a great year in that offense. Absolutely. They added Sanders this year, too. Give Breeze another weapon.

So, yeah, I think it'll be – unfortunately, I don't think he's in a good spot right now. But running backs as a whole is just – man, I never let my kid play running back. Punter? Absolutely. Heunter? Absolutely. He can play forever. Or retire. Or he can go on and get a rock star and wrestle and do whatever the hell he wants.

Yeah, your punter's in there. Hey, I appreciate you guys being in my corner. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Hey, he was passionate about this weekend. And I texted him. I'm like, yo, I'm getting a lot of tweets right now about dropping EA. What the fuck's going on? He's like, the game sucks, man.

That's what he said. They suck at basketball, too? I mean, 2K really has become the new platform for them. Hey, that's such good business, AJ. That is such good business for them. Because they know everybody's going to buy the jeans. Are you okay? What's going on?

Boom mic. I got this. Middle of the first day. I'll just hold this sucker. Everything's falling. I got my bag of cigar ashes here. Oh, it's not too heavy. It's going to fall.

It's not too heavy. That thing looks like it's 50 pounds. Get an ashtray, AJ. It's a couple days worth, bud. Do you remember what he did to the back patio down there? Oh, it got too heavy. It's going to fall. It got too heavy. That thing looks like it's 50 pounds. Get an ashtray, AJ. That's a couple days worth, bud. Hey, do you remember what he did to the back patio down there? Oh, my God. We got a fine. We got a fine from the place that we rented.

No, you didn't. Not good enough. Connor found the little dustpan and everything. I sweeped up the rest. And me and Tony did. Not you, AJ. After you left, Connor, I went and smoked more cigars. No way, not you.

Second batch. Did you hear Jet Passin' made Diggs dance the other day? He said, Diggs dance. And Diggs started shimmying for him out of nowhere. Just Jet Passin' pumping Diggs. On command? Like Jet just comes, alphas the show like that? Listen, I am at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to anyone who comes on this show.

So I will dance for anyone. Well, that's very nice of you. I respect that, Diggs. Hey, good for the show. Good for the show. anyone. Well, that's very nice of you. I respect that, Diggs. Hey, good for the show. Good for the show. I appreciate it. I know my place. Hey, attaboy, Tom.

Where do you think Leonard Fournette's going to go? You said you had two places you thought he could potentially land at. Oh, I did before the break, yeah. Thank you for coming, and we're going to nail down that tease that we had before we went to a break earlier. Hell yeah. I forgot we were pissed off at Mad Night. I completely forgot about it.

Bro, that was massive on the internet this weekend. It was a wave. I got a lot of tweets. Normally, I'll get a couple of tweets. I can kind of see what's going on. I got a lot of people who was like, hey, we need you to be a part of this movement, man. We need you to be a part of this movement. I'm like, Madden, they pissed me off too with my low-ass ratings.

I don't play video games. Fuck it. I'll go after them if it's warranted. And then everybody's saying they're just stealing from people. It's wild. Wild scene. But it's EA, though then everybody's saying they're just stealing from people it's wild wild scene of ea though people are mad at ea so if if they have a deal for four or five more years what does does our commissioner raj gadell have to go back to him and say hey man we're out we're done like can can he do that new raj new raj oh yeah this

is a new commish oh he's listening to the people you're right he's giving the people what they want like when they cry out to him he's's like, I am here for you. I am your fearless leader. He's our commissioner. He's our commissioner. Yeah. What if Roger Goodell calls a press conference today? You know.

All right, listen, there's a lot of obviously very serious things to talk about, and I would like to get to those. But in our business, we are currently a free agent when it comes to video games because EA Sports hasn't been keeping up with the product to protect the Shield. They've been disgracing the Shield with their lack of effort in upgrades in the player community for Madden. What if he did that? Oh, my God.

Awesome. People wouldn't know what to do. They're like, is this guy the best guy on earth? I think it is all of a sudden out of nowhere. That would be wild. But there's so much money in there, I bet. How much is EA Sports paying the NFL, I assume? I assume it's –

They use the players' names and, like, everyone, the coaches, everything. Now, Belichick won't let them use his name. Belichick's not in there. Is that real? Yeah. Only coach is not in there. That's awesome. I wish –

They find individual deals with coaches. Chaz McDaniels. Do they do that with players? How does that work? Yeah, because players with the NFLPA, remember, that's why we always get our Madden checks whenever they – So that's kind of how they set you up to do the NFLPA yearly meeting is they say, hey, once we go through this, you get your Madden checks. Like that is always like it's always tagged like, hey, we got to do our NFLPA role meeting, a new pitch.

And then at the end, Madden checks. And it's always at the end of like a 10 hour day. So they're like at the end, does anybody have any questions with how we operate and where maybe where money's being allocated and decisions like that? Or do you guys just want to get out of here and get your Madden checks? All right, give us that fucking $10,000. Let's go ahead and get out of here.

So earlier the year, like I said, there was a five year extension with EA to continue the Madden video game franchise. The deal will reportedly provide 1 billion to the NFL, 500 million to the players and $500 million in marketing commitments. So Roger Goodell's not going to come out and say that we— No, no.

But he could put pressure on EA to be like, hey, this game needs to evolve. The fans need you to do something. And they could say, cool, we got a four-year deal. Have fun. Yeah, that's what we paid all that money for, by the way. We're just ciphering the same exact product. It's just getting out there. We're just collecting money at this point.

It's a math game for us. It's not even really a video game thing. The amount of people that are going to buy it, we'll up the fee. We'll get that money back two, three years, and then the back end, we'll bank off of. So this is on you, Rog. We'll see you next negotiation period

about four years from now. And by the way, going into that contract year, I would assume that game's going to be the best game that they've put out. They might be preparing now to put that game out. Madden 2026. So they can get the deal again. Yeah, that's for sure what they're doing.

Fucking. They're moving. You want me to go back to my Fournette, the two teams, I think? Yeah. In the game of Madden, which team do you think Fournette will be playing for? In the game of Madden, if I was Leonard Fournette, and I think this – I'm going to pose this as a question. Let me know if you think it could be a trend.

For years and years, it's been, okay, hey, a guy, we know he's a solid player, team let him go, may have had some issues, whatever. What do you do? Oh, we go to the Patriots. We try to get a ring. That's been what people have done. So now I feel like there's two teams.

The Patriots, people want to go to a, mainly just to see like the aura of what the Patriot way is, what Bill Belichick is like. You still can't count him out no matter what. Tom Brady's not there. Cam Newton looks great. We know he posts hype videos that you get juiced for when he's working out. Yeah, new Cam.

The second team, why wouldn't you go to Tampa Bay? You can go to Tampa Bay and chase a ring with Tommy, or you can go to New England, his old home, and chase it with Bill Belichick. I feel like those are two good options for him. They've got a lot of running backs on Tampa. I'm not sure they have salary cap is what everybody has said. The Patriots, though, is a place. They don't have much space, but they can make it work.

If they want to, you can make it work. Hey, that's with anything in life, AJ. Ponder that. He's to clear waivers, right? What do you think? I'm holding this boom arm with doing a mid-bicep curl this whole time trying to not go up. Oh, let's see it.

Let's see it. You yoked up over there? I can't see it, but I'm just holding this thing like this. Because it's attached to my desk, but I was jostling it around earlier, I think during a break, and it became unhinged. This show is unhinged. Where's Bob Carpenter, by the way? The Big Ten.

Hey, the Big Ten. I talked about it. I let off the show with this, and that's like three hours ago at this point, so we can dive into it again. Central Arkansas Arkansas Austin Peay won after it this weekend Matt Barry Mike Golick Jr. on the call I enjoyed the hell out of it I watched a couple high school football games shout out to Brownsburg getting a big win uh Indiana school and then shout out to Austin Peay in Central Arkansas putting on a show felt like football was back now granted I had to google who the hell they were where they were everything like that what division is this I thought I was watching potentially d3 football I didn't know exactly what I was watching but Now granted, I had to Google who the hell they were, where they were, everything like that. What division is this? I thought I was watching potentially D3 football. I didn't know

exactly what I was watching, but I was happy I was watching it. And I immediately went right to the thoughts of the Big Ten fans who have never heard of fucking Central Arkansas and Austin. These two teams get to play on ESPN on primetime television on Saturday night, and we're not even going to have football this season? I mean, I couldn't help but think like that. And now the question needs to be asked. Does Austin Peay and Central Arkansas have a distinct recruiting advantage over Ohio State? Because they can clearly say that they care about football, and people at Ohio State and the Big Ten just don't care about football.

Look out for Central Arkansas and Austin Peay to potentially steal some five stars out of that Rust Belt in Ohio, especially after how this is going. Ain't that right, AJ? You never know. It's a weird world we're living in right now. I don't know. I don't think it's probably not going to have as large an impact as you think moving forward.

But you know what? I would never say never on this one. The fans had to be so pissed, though. Big Ten fans. And I can't wait. They still are. It grows every single day they had a they had a rally at ohio state stadium right outside the rotunda on saturday

i believe i think i think a couple assistant coaches even showed up it was all the parents of the players like they're doing all kinds of stuff bob was there wasn't it yeah did he have did he have the did he have the megaphone horn i honestly i should have sent bobby a text because if he i'm because if he, I'm sure if he was in town, he would go, he might've had obligations. He probably zoomed in.

He probably had someone zoom him in. If he had like a kid's obligation, like V for vendetta, when that guy's up on the phone, calling the entire leading the entire thing. It is whenever September, what 26 or whenever it's, whenever it's going to be,

I think it was one of most of these conferences. You're going to start off. ESPN is going to be packed on Saturday, which is primetime games. Everybody who's playing is going to be. I think it was one of most of these conferences you're going to start off. ESPN is going to be packed on Saturday, which is primetime games. Everybody who's playing is going to be all over TV. And then that rankings is going to have to show that. If the Big Ten presidents, which allegedly are going back and changing course on their original thoughts because of more information,

which really means the reaction to the first decision, if they don't go back, it's going to be intriguing to watch Ohio, Michigan, I mean, Iowa, Nebraska. It's going to be Penn State fans who have Pitt and Temple in the same state playing in the fall. I mean, it is going to be, oh, it's going to be fun to watch. It is going to be.

I mean, just terrible for the fans, obviously. Hey, terrible for the fans. Not happy about it. Sorry. But, boy, from a spectator watching just the anger just blow up, for good reason, by the way, for just reason, is going to be amazing to watch. Right now on ESPN, if you look at the college football schedule,

the ACC is scheduled to start the September 12th, Saturday, September 12th. Oh, my God. Trevor Lawrence is out. So is the Big 12. Trevor Lawrence's hair is flowing. You know, he's handing it off. Travis Etienne having a good time.

Justin Fields is just sitting there like, what the fuck is going on here? I'm practicing in my dorm for no reason at all. It is. Now, by the way, we want everybody to be safe. We have to preface that. Right. We want everybody to be safe. We don't want any deaths or anything like that.

Ten year down the road, anything like that. But just strictly from a sports side, that's going to be insane to watch unfold. Well, think how angry they're going to be. Like, if you're a fan of one of these blue buds that's not playing and you're watching Clemson play and you're watching Alabama play and each week they keep popping up the AP Top 25. You're like, wait, we were up there preseason, but why are we out of it or why are we dropped down to 19 now after week one?

Well, yeah, because you're not playing, bud. And it's nothing that you guys did. It's what's going on around the world and what the Big Ten decided. The state of Cincinnati is going to be higher than Ohio State in the rankings at some point, and I am here for that reaction in Ohio. I am 100% here for it. It's a wild time to be alive, AJ. It feels like the NFL is going to go, though, and it's going to go well.

The Lucas Oil Stadium is reporting that they're going to have 15% of the stadium at capacity. I believe other stadiums have said 25%. Some people have said 0%. Who knows what any of that is going to be until, what, the day before the game happens? But I do feel, I don't know if that Austin Peay game had any fans, but those high school games. Packed out. There was real sound coming from that thing. I don't know what football is going to be on TV with or without sound

because there's been some games that they put fake sound in that just sound terrible. Then there's been some sports where they put fake sound in. It's like, oh, that makes sense. I don't even really notice. I'll be intrigued to see how they balance that all. There was a report last week that they were going to come out and if they were experimenting the sound, maybe 75 to 85 decibels,

which is similar to a vacuum cleaner. That was a report that came out last week. Hey, vacuum cleaner will fuck up a snap count, won't it, AJ? Mike McCarthy's not a fan, you see. They asked him about it, and he's basically tried to beat around the bush and say, like, I'm not a fan of this. Say that one more. Is that how he did it? What did he say?

Big Mike has the greatest Pittsburgh accent that I wish I could do. But he's dead serious. But I can understand it. They're trying to find – aren't they trying to find like a uniform level to pump into each place, right? So there's no like competitive advantage. So if it's 85 decibels in Jacksonville, it's 85 in Green Bay. Well, shout out to the teams that can't fill up their stadium

or don't have really loud fans. If we're just going to be pumping in – Tom Brady made the joke about the RCA dome for the Indianapolis Colts. You know, like, oh, back in the day, the RCA. I heard that place used to get very, very, very loud. And obviously there were some complaints. The speakers did. The fans did.

That was before my time. I was at Lucas Oil. Lucas Oil was built for comfort, not for it to be very loud. So that'd be intriguing because there's some places it's so loud, that's a real advantage. Like when we would go down to houston that place was so loud pittsburgh so loud i never got to play in seattle but they're new england so loud and arrogant i mean it was that's like a real it is very loud too kansas city yeah there's where you always talk about but not a lot of place not everywhere is like that right there's some places that it's a distinct advantage of

mike mccarthy offensive side of the ball, he's the guy that wants no sound in every single stadium anyways because of the ability to communicate. So, I mean, there's going to be a lot of reactions to that. But it's all government, right? Doesn't this fucking government decide what they're doing or not? I got no shot. Government's deciding on the decibels that they can have?

No, with the fans, the amount of fans allowed in. Because I would assume if you're putting in 25% of your fans, are you also going to be allowed to have the vacuum decibels on top of that as your speaker system good point yeah like if you're if your team has zero fans in the stands can i turn it up to 120 decibels can we get a little give and go here a little give and take here uh we are we allowed to have the same amount of decibels are we trying to be fair we're not trying to be fair you tell me and does the sound have to be uniform or can they have like the uh like a uh like the most annoying sound in the world playing or is it a screech you know what i mean or is there like who's like a fan app yeah

who do they pick to yell you know there's a lot of questions here they're gonna have to balance that all out but i know nfl's coming back and i'm pumped about it hell yeah pumped about it why do you are you fully confident the nfl is coming back because we see things like Austin Peay playing on TV? I don't know what it's like in Indiana, but I know Ohio, they played high school football this past Friday. Brownsburg actually played an Ohio team, I believe, and won. Brownsburg, Indiana high school football is obviously – What Ohio team did they play? Far superior.

St. Xavier, I think. They're good, too. St. X is legit, yeah. Brownsburg is just kind of, I think, middle of the pack here in Indiana, I think a lot of people would say. Okay, Tim. Oh, are we getting into an Indiana vs. Ohio high school football debate? No, I'm just talking about what happened.

I'm just talking about what happened on Friday. Emmitt McMahon played high school football here in Indiana. What are you saying about Brownsburg? What's he saying? Brownsburg has a good QB this year. Good QB this year. Brownsburg has a good QB this year. You have one good QB, take down all of Ohio football.

They are sponsored by Jordan as well. Brownsburg football. You QB this year. You have one good QB, take down all of Ohio football. They are sponsored by Jordan as well. Brownsburg football. You know what's sad, though? You know, it's very interesting because Ohio high school football is getting beat by Indiana high school football. Ohio State can't play football, but everybody else. I mean, Ohio, is everything okay? I mean, do we need to – is everything okay in Ohio right now?

I mean, hey, you know what? Until those big-time schools kick off, I think they're going to hold it together okay because there's still hope that, oh, hey, the presidents may be reconsidering. Maybe a Thanksgiving start or maybe some other time. There's still hope. When they realize they crossed the threshold of no hope,

that's when it could get bad. Do you think there is no hope of them changing course, huh? I don't know, man. I think they're so worried about what it would look like if they changed course, maybe. Even though people could say, oh, yeah, you backpedaled. You made that decision to her. But, hey, what's bigger of a person to do than to admit a mistake and try to make up for it? Like, hey, you know what?

I was wrong. It's like cutting a draft pick or something. Patriots. I was wrong. We're out. Let's go. Now I made the right decision. I reconsidered. We feel like we can do this now. The self-awareness of admitting fault is a massive

ordeal and not a lot of people can do it because they are scared that people will judge them for admitting fault. And then you're pointing at your failures. Yeah. So the Patriots, I think they're a team that if they'll pay somebody this amount of money and somebody this amount of money comes in and they do a better job, see you later. We made a bad decision. We'll learn from that and move forward. As long as we have the best foot forward, let's go. That's like what good organizations do. Everybody else is just like, you know, trying to save your own ass when the rest of the world sees you're fucking up.

That's kind of a problem. I mean, I feel like that is potentially a problem. I get it. The Big Ten, though, they think that they didn't. Remember, they thought they were going to be heroes because of this decision. So it's like, can you change those minds just because of a backlash i don't know i hope so but i don't know well maybe they're trying to get ahead of it they think like hey down the road could have there could be issues or something i'm sure they're

worried about what it looks like five ten years down the road but then they could gloat that they were ahead of something that's probably in the dream world what they feel like i think i think kevin is getting a hold of your feed right now. He is. This has happened to my feed ever since my mic fell off and everything. Everything froze. Hey, that's Ohio right now. That's Ohio. This is Ohio right now, dude.

I love Ohio, by the way. I love Ohio. I love Ohio. People know I love Ohio. All our friends from Ohio. Well, call them back. Yeah, we got to wrap up the the show I think you should say goodbye or whatever you know Ohio's hey

that Austin Peay Central Arkansas thing fucking unbelievable watching that and all I thought about the entire time and I've said this I've harped on it pretty hard

but just put yourself in their position there's people in Ohio who live and die with the Ohio State Buckeyes like they are a cult through and through and I'm not

there's Michigan people as well Michigan State people but I have felt the wrath with the Ohio State Buckeyes. They are a cult through and through. There's Michigan people as well, Michigan State people, but I have felt the wrath of the Ohio State cult, so I've actually seen it in person. There's people that live and die with that, and they're watching Central Arkansas figure it out. They're like, are you kidding me? We cannot do this, and they just get angry as hell, I assume. When I was watching that game,

I was just imagining General Bob Carpenter just gritting his teeth into dust. He knew that Ohio State wasn't going to be playing this year. And how much money do those two teams make compared to a team like Ohio State? Like millions and millions of dollars less? We've been mocking this whole situation. We've been millions. Tens of tens.

We've been mocking this entire situation heavily, but we really do have to think about our friends in Ohio State and Iowa and Nebraska and Michigan. While football does return for all of us, it feels like it is long, long, long away in those places. Sorry. I know this is important and all, but there was a tweet that went out that NCAA trademarked

Battle in the Bubble, so they intend the bubble. Yeah, but that could be for March Madness. You don't know if that's March Madness or you don't know if it's basketball or football, but the trademark for battle in the bubble, which you would have thought was already taken, by the way. Good name. You would think that would already taken,

but nobody knows if that is for football or basketball. But here's the NCAA. Look at this. What are we, six months, seven months into this thing? Starting to get their trademarks in? Not a bad idea there by the NCAA. That was what those emergency meetings were for whenever they were getting called the other weekend.

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a huge deal that they filed for that. I guess what? They're probably thinking worst-case scenario. What if next fall we're still in a weird situation where we don't feel comfortable? Are we going to bubble these guys? I think it's for March Madness. I agree.

Back to it. We can't miss two. You can't have two March Madnesses canceled in a row. You're right. Can't have it. Won't have it. The amount of money we lost and championships and everything. March Madness was kind of the NCAA's crown jewel.

Like, look what we do. One dining moment. These student human athletes, if they were to fuck that up two years in a row and not have it, they would probably be insane. I would assume that's what the battle in the bubble is but it could be for football as well are we allowed to go over by a little bit yeah yeah sure what do you got it's pretty interesting cowboys owner jerry jones says on team broadcast the club is practicing today with no numbers no names on jerseys because dallas wants to avoid other 31 teams from claiming

a player it cuts hopes to retain coveted talent signing those players to practice squad fucking awesome this is so smart this is so smart let's go ahead and screw over all of our bubble guys because that could potentially help us if a covet outbreak happens and we have to have an extra 30 guys that nobody knows about this is big brain football stuff this is the same organization that put their practice field directly in the middle of a fucking office complex that has a bunch of offices and windows to there this is smart we saw the videos and This is the same organization that put their practice field directly in the middle of a fucking office complex that has a bunch of offices and windows to there. This is smart. We saw the videos and pictures of this pop up from this weekend.

It was white versus blue. Couldn't even tell it was Dak Prescott, but it appeared as if it was Dak Prescott throwing a perfect pass in the corner under Mike McCarthy's offense. This is big brain stuff. Good idea, Jerry Jones. Make sure none of those guys will ever have an opportunity playing anywhere else because you potentially might need them week nine or ten. This is smart football here.

Well, should he have said this publicly? No. No names, no numbers. I know the Patriots do that a lot in the offseason. Don't they wear T-shirts? They always have young guys wearing, a young running back wearing number 79 or something. They do that a lot. I don't know. What'sshirts or they've got they always have young guys wearing a young running back wearing number 79 or something they do that a lot i don't know what's their reasoning do you know uh just rookies they don't give them numbers until yeah you gotta earn your pinstripes

i get it i get it that makes sense but yeah jerry it's fine to do it but i feel like drawing bringing attention to this they might there might be a rule in the rule book now that comes out listen i signed everybody on our fucking team but our quarterback to a 10-year deal. Our team is locked down, especially at the top. We spent a lot of money. But that bottom half of the roster, we got a bunch of nobody. So we decided that they should be acted and treated as such. No fucking numbers, no fucking names for anybody.

We might need them whenever COVID, you heard of COVID? Knocks out 30 of our players. Those 30 players that I do not surely know their name either, we are going to need them on our squad, not anywhere else, so they get no film for anybody. What do you think? People are watching Inside Training Camp daily on NFL Network? Are people coming into the office complex that's surrounding the practice field?

Where do they think people are watching these practices from and seeing footage that just highlights making its way onto the internet? I don't fully understand. I mean, I love it if you're that big of a savage to everybody. But this just feels like something you keep in your inside voice. There's inside voices here. It's something you, even if you talk about it in a staff meeting, you tell them, hey, man, it stays in here.

Nobody talks. Hey. First off, we don't want other teams doing this to us now. And B, like, yeah, it just doesn't make any sense to me. But I guess it makes it that much more difficult for coaches. Imagine being an assistant coach. You had a virtual offseason. You didn't get to work with all these guys.

You have 80 guys on the roster. Hey, you, yeah, yeah, you got, they're just yelling. You can't even yell a name, number, nothing. Dude in the Cowboys helmet. You're over here. You're in. I'm thinking of film right now. Who's this?

Who's this? No, that's not me, coach. If it was a bad play, that's not me. That was you. Who's this? No, that's not me, coach. If it was a bad play, that's not me. That was you. That was him. No, that's not me. Look at the shoes. Look at the same shoes.

That's not. Who is this? Imagine the film study within the house. Fuck outside. Imagine the coaches inside. Oh, they have to hate it. Mike. Big Mike is like, we can't even have our numbers, Donna.

I mean, what are we? I mean, what a scene. Dallas is awesome and here's by the way first day three hour show youtube noon to three new time slot here's our obligatory cowboys look at that we carried it off of westwood right here onto youtube next week on to serious um aj how do you think the show went today pretty good or no thing went great yeah i got to watch uh some of your you your two hours before I jumped on here. It was good.

I was entertained. I fucking love this schedule, by the way. I don't know. Like right now, I'm going to probably go work out right now. Yeah? Okay, I'm going to probably go work out. What? What?

No alarm this morning. Woke up 7.30. It was a little brighter outside. Had that moment of oh no new day new day new schedule got a chance to come in here we had numerous hours that we had a did you see the thing we had in the first show aj did you see the we had the rundown thing which is awesome we look like a real show we had a lot more viewers from the west coast the left coast who don't normally get to watch because it's so early i feel like we found a good home yeah it's

only day one pretty happy about it yeah looks good man i'm excited to be on board well except for wednesday yeah previous commitment yeah yeah fix it what are you and brady quinn going to talk about should we listen to that show what channel is it on what's 12 to 3 it's the exact same time as oh wow So you're joining the competition. So me, you and Brady Quinn, and Mike Greenberg going head to head to head on Wednesday. None of us are getting viewers. You know, it's Greeny's radio show, right? So we're all screwed.

Well, I agree. That's a good point. I am not thrilled that we got to go against Greeny every single day on radio. I do not love that. But it felt like what you just said there was a little bit deeper than anything else. No, seriously, I'm glad I come on two to three. Greeny's show's 12 to two. So at least my part of it is not in direct competition.

Two Hall of Fames that guy's been in. Oh, yeah. Probably two, probably three by the end of it. You know, nowadays with the way things are consumed, and everybody knows this that watches this show, our clips are what everybody watches. So I would assume that our show is on from maybe 9 to 10 at night for some people because they just watch clips and then they get recommended

and force-fed us after that. That is what YouTube does, by the way. I fucking accidentally watched one of the clips we put up from before, and then boom, the recommended one was one from two years ago. And then there was another one of me. I'm like, I'm thinking of humans that don't know who I am. I'm just popping up on our show. Who the fuck is this guy? was another one of me. I'm like, I'm thinking of humans that don't know who I am. They're just fucking. I'm just popping up.

Who the fuck is this guy? Get me out of here. But shout out to YouTube. Thankful to be here. Keep doing it. Thankful to be here. Very thankful. You look good.

Your spray tan looks like it's faded a bit. So, yeah, you're looking more normal, Pat, like you usually look. Still on, though. You know, it still is a spray tan. It's good, though. Don't you like that? I do. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. The whole body isn't. Maybe you're just saying. Look at that, though. on though you know it still is a spray tan it's good though don't you like that i do yeah i do

yeah i do the whole body isn't maybe just saying look at that though i mean i got like weird i feel like weird fix that don't you lift your arms up and get sprayed don't you do that well there's four poses you know what i mean you gotta do this one then this one and this one and this one and then you go please hold still while we dry and then a fan comes and you gotta like kind of move into it yeah yeah they do have you dance do the whole thing but i like it but i wish it was a little bit more coated in the underarm areas a lot of friction though like when you're running when you're on the stair climb like oh i ran sprints this weekend did you see that i tweeted about it i ran eight one tens i'll tell you what that was a mistake why would you run one tens i don't know so that's like the size of my

yard you know my backyard from end to end and i was gonna go punt i was gonna go kick balls because i was like kind of getting tired of doing the stairmaster every day i was like you know what whenever i kick i sprint to the ball anyways or jog to the ball it's like a nice little workout swing the ball it's fall hey here we go we'll kick balls again. I kicked like four balls and my knees started hurting. I'm like, fuck this. Not getting back into this. So I just put the balls back in the bag. And then I was just back there.

I had my cleats on. I was on a big field. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to run some sprints right here. It can't be that bad. I'll go end to end. I'll touch fence to fence. And I started, I ran that first one.

I was like, not too bad. You know, first one wasn't too bad. Then I did the second one. I was like not too bad you know first one wasn't too bad then I did the second one I was like oh boy this is gonna catch up and there's nobody out there yelling at you so I just said a number in my head I was like I'll do eight of these whenever I was doing the first one so then it was like a real like me versus me moment like do I want to just cut these back or not I puked in the backyard I puked all over the backyard it was tough bub it was very tough out there you're gonna jump back out there and do it again today? I think so. Nine of them.

Let's go do it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. What are you doing? You're just a fitness freak. Well, Vinatieri said I should try it whenever I'm 47 years old. I don't think I'm going to live that long. We all know that.

But Vinatieri is a guy who probably is running 110s in his backyard right now, if I had to guess. He's a freak fitness-wise. Is he really? I mean, he has no reason to be. I mean, I guess he doesn't have to. What are you saying? To be a great kicker, you don't have to be in the... He do!

I think he do. I think he do. That's the problem. He's 47 years old. He's that old? By the way, I think he... He looks amazing. He'll get in there Yeah. By the way, I think he... He looks amazing. He'll get in there too, by the way, the bench, and he'll try to beat people bench-wise.

It is. He's OG, OG when it comes to all that stuff. He has not made a decision, right, what he's doing? I have not seen anything. I have not seen anything. Why don't you ask? I'm going to bring him in. If he wants.

I don't know if he wants to. I was going to say, take your time. I have no idea if he wants to. I saw him at the wedding. He came to my wedding. Shout out to AJ. He came to my wedding. Good job, AJ.

I got to talk to him a little bit. He seemed so happy. He had some, what, Versace shoes on? Leopard print. Oh, man. He looked good, too. He looked very good. 47 years old, man.

Well, he should just hang out, keep kicking keep feel good about it and then if a contender needs a kicker just go sign for the second half of the season get another ring week 10 you only got a kick for what 14 weeks at that point if you go through that and then what wait it's a dome team or it's a warm weather down south oh that would be such a good move maybe he does that like for the next four years so he can kick until he's 50. 50. Oh, that's a good move. I don't want to put too many things in his ears. Why are the Bucs not calling on him? Do we know if they are? Maybe they are.

Maybe they will. It's not been confirmed. We have no idea. Nor tonight. The Bucs have had kickers come in because they're looking for a kicker. They had Ryan Suckup come in. They had Cody Parkey come in. Who knows who's going to win that battle?

Bruce Arians is a hilarious person to kick for. If you make kicks, we're cool. If not, B.A. can turn on you, I assume. I've seen it happen via outside perspective. He sent Catanzaro out of there. He's not scared to be like, hey, listen, I've been around football a long time. You're in a cold streak. You've got to have a new home.

See you later. He's actually said, you know how this works. You've got to go. If you make kicks, all good. We're here in this this together so they're bringing in kickers there's a guy out there named taylor russellino and uh i've said his name a couple times he kicked for the xfl battle hawks the st louis team he's never been in the nfl he's unbelievable i hope he gets a chance to work out but i would assume they're probably calling vinnie to see hey what how you feeling down there look at him look at him over there on the far.

Where's AJ in that photo? AJ, look at that guy. That's at the wedding, isn't it? Wow. I didn't play for the Colts. That's true. Oh, okay. That's very true. That's very true.

All right. Very, very true. We got Hasselbeck with the jacket, too. Hey, he always comes like super nice dressed guy. He's super nice dressed guy all the time. Big dressed guy. All right. Let's get out of here.

Hey, that was a pretty good show, AJ. Yes, I will fix my mic for tomorrow. Are you still holding that thing up? Look at my hand. Can you see this hand here? Yeah. Is your arm cramping yet? My right biceps got a good little pump,

so I'm going to have to hold this in the left for about 20 minutes after we're done. What was that story you wanted to tell us about? It was a long one. It was a long one. Go ahead and get into it. I get it. I get it. Yeah, you see what we're doing and get into it. I get it. I get it.

Yeah, see what we're doing there? Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. That's the show. We will see you tomorrow. That was the show. We're back at noon, Mignogna. Hopefully more guests, more conversation, and hopefully a new microphone for Mr. AJ Hawk.

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buyraycon.com slash pat for 15 off raycon wireless earbuds buyraycon.com slash pat the denver nuggets in the utah jazz the utah jazz were wearing an ombre orange cream jersey looked very nice and two young studs in the nba at the age of 23 put on a show and i guess this has been happening the entire series and i apologize to denver and utah i have not been paying attention to said series but i guess Jamal Murray in spite of Donovan Mitchell have been playing the basketball very very very good in this series Donovan Mitchell has a 38.7 points per game 54.8 field goal percentage Jamal Murray 34 points per game 58 percent uh field goal percentage I mean these two have been lightened up and last night it was a little shot for shot at the end of the game I happened to catch the tail end of it it was beautiful Jamal Murray a guy that I do not know

enough about I think is what I just learned here in his last three games he has 142 points and that's playoff basketball and these aren't't easy shots. Last night, he took off. He hit somebody with a juke, took off, three-point land, drifting sideways like the Michael Jordan finisher that you saw him game win, and just flicked the wrist, splash. Then, spider back on the other side, splash. Then, Jamal Murray again, splash. They've been battling it out, and only four times in the history of the NBA playoffs

have players had multiple 50-point games. They've been battling it out in only four times in the history of the NBA playoffs have players had multiple 50 point games. That's Michael Jordan, Allen Iverson, Donovan Mitchell, and Jamal Murray in this series. I mean, it is fucking absurd what they're doing. And I was so happy to catch a tail end of it last night. I know nothing about these dudes, but fucking A, it was electric basketball last night. And you mentioned the 142 points in three games, Jerry West and Michael Jordan, the only two players to have more than that in the playoffs and just the young talent

i mean these guys are 23 years old he's going to be good they're going to be good in the playoffs for the next you know they could next 10 15 years the good news is is for denver you got a young guy who's a stud for utah you got a young guy that's a stud and uh it's going to sound like a ricochet shot at a team that doesn't deserve it, but the Sixers have two young guys that could be studs. Instead, they stink. Ladies and gentlemen, big fan of the Philadelphia 76ers, former NFL general manager Michael Lombardi. There it is, Lombardi!

Oh, you just hit me where it hurts, bro. I mean, God. By the way, the no-carb no carb thing i got to get on this program you look great i mean it's unbelievable thank you i also have a spray tan still that will not go away that was the color of like an apple at one point so i think that helps as well i mean it's and i see you doing all those steps it's remarkable you're doing unbelievable it's it's really it's it's it's i'm impressed i'm trying i mean you're my motivation every day there's no doubt oh well hey listen if you follow my twitter uh you're so michael lombardi i don't know how long you've been on the twitter you were an nfl general manager an executive a coach i mean

you've been doing a lot of things that probably kept you away from twitter how long have you been doing the twitter you think so i did the twitter when i was in NFL Network from, like, I think 2009 until – and then when I went to the Browns in 2013, I left. I had, like, 250 followers, 250,000. Now I've come back. It's hard to get followers than ever before. And then, of course, like an idiot, I retweeted something that a fraud did. But I did that.

Can't happen, Mike. Can happen the um but twitter has changed completely so twitter is like i've been i feel like i'm i don't want to say an og of twitter but i feel like twitter was my main social media that i focused on we're talking hours and hours of my day i was on twitter i used to answer every single human that tweeted me i mean i was always on you used to have to be like very quick you had to be on I was always on there. You used to have to be very quick. You had to be on there. You had to be very witty. You had to be very quick.

Everything in there, you had to be very engaged. Now Twitter has changed so much. It's like their algorithm, they kind of hide things. So I'm just turning into a pander machine on my Twitter. It started just the past couple of days. I've been really hitting a high road, but you're going to see a lot of motivational tweets out of old Pat McAfee's show here the next couple of days. and if you want to be on the pander party just go ahead and hit

the retweet button for that thing we're trying to take advantage of the twitter algorithm at the moment yeah i you know i don't understand those algorithm things i just i tweet what i want today i was on a david blaine caldwell about the jacksonville thing so i just you know i get on rampages and i'm just gonna go i'm not'm not going to go political, but I'm going to go on certain things in the NFL. Well, I'm too dumb to be political, but let's talk about David Blaine Caldwell. For the first time you came on this show, you actually said, I call him David Blaine Caldwell down in Jacksonville because that guy has been able to magically keep his job

throughout so many poor decisions. Now, here we are three years after an AFC championship game where they had to lead it to half in New England, which is insane. And the entire team has been blown up. There's guys taking $5.8 million pay cuts to get out of there. Leonard Furnette gets cut today, really coming into playing his best football last year after having like a peace pipe meeting out in Wyomingoming what the hell is going down down there they're obviously attempting to tank i don't think i've ever seen anything like this before well since the khan family has owned the team in 2013 they're 38 and 90 as a friend they're

a 30 winning percentage so and then since david blaine carwell's been there he's 40 and 70 as a general manager i mean they, their son's involved. Tony Khan, the son's involved. He thinks he knows, which is a big problem because when you think you know, you probably don't know, right? And so they have no real culture down there. They don't understand how to build a football team. And really, you know, this is probably the first time Fournette's ever been

cut in anything in his life. But, you know, when they were picking four, and you're guys who ever followed me before, when they pick Fournette's ever been cut in anything in his life. But, you know, when they were picking four, and you're guys who ever followed me before, when they pick Fournette at four, I said it at the time, Fournette's a deep-eye tailback who needs the ball 20 to 28 times. His best carries come from 21 to 28 because he needs to wear you down. Well, the NFL doesn't play that way anymore. You know what I mean?

Nobody's getting 28 carries. We're not wearing you down. We're not going three yards they passed the show i was screaming for him to take the sean watson but they felt that blake bortles who i was also killing back then you know repeatedly the blake meister you know i mean like there's no way he was any good you know like seriously like at some point and the lesson here pat Patrick, is simply this. Is you must evaluate your own team correctly. And that's where, if you were to say what's wrong with Jacksonville,

they can't evaluate their own team. Okay, so you said a lot there. The conversation about him being 40 and 70, is that what you said? Or 30 and 70? What is it? I think the franchise is 38 and 77. And then I think he, David Blaine, I think he's 30. I think he might be 40 and 70 or something like that, but they're 30 percentage winning percentage.

All right, I have a question. You're a former GM in the NFL. You got fired after making quite a good trade of Trent Richardson. It feels like you're one of these guys who gets in the media who's not looking to get back into general manager role as you're're just burying this guy that's probably not a normal thing amongst the gms that doesn't everybody try to cover for everybody in that that type of bullshit i mean i'm too old to worry about the political game right i don't really care it's probably what's cost me my career i didn't really play you know and so i say what i think i said what i thought when i when i worked for somebody and it probably cost me my career because if you play nice in the NFL,

you can go way up the ladder. David Blaine's proving that. I mean, you can go way up the ladder. But if you give your honest opinion, they don't want to hear that. People don't want the truth. It's a little bit like Nathan R. Jessup. A lot of people can't handle the truth. He was right.

And so you just have to go along. And if you don't play nice, you get into a real situation of trouble. And I've never been one to hold my tongue. I've always felt like, look, you pay me for my opinion, I'm going to give you my opinion. All right, here's a question. How does he maintain his job? Because they got rid of Tom Coughlin, right?

25% of the players' complaints to the nflpa came through tom coughlin's jacksonville jaguar building here in the last whatever four years however long tom coffins there how has david caldwell kept his job how has doug marone kept his job and by the way i was just reminded earlier doug marone at one point was the head coach of the buffalo bills did well and said you know what i'm out of here actually this stinks he quits doesn't get another head coaching job then he becomes head coach again for the Jaguars. How do they maintain their job? You think, is it because they have some success or because right now it seems like there's no optimism in the building or for the team by anybody, including

their fans? Well, the owner, the owner, he, he, he allows the owner to do what he wants. He allows Tony Khan, the son to be involved. I mean, anybody who understands anything about football and wants to run the Jacksonville Jaguars needs to have a conversation with Mr. Cobb. Mr. Cobb, look, we're going to change this program. We're going to build a culture. Your son's out of the building. I know he owns, I know he's part owner of the team, but he is not getting involved with the players. He's not having a Twitter fight. He's gone. You got to let him do something. Okay. He's got to stay out. We're going to run this team like a professional football team. And we're going to build it through a culture. We're not going to sign a bunch of free agents and overpay them and then have our players that we draft to get mad at us for bringing players in.

We're going to build a culture around a good pay structure, a good pay scale. And we're going to start with building it with a quarterback. Look, they passed Cameron Newton for Gardner-Mitchell. I love Gardner-Mitchell. It's a great story. Cam Newton's probably going to get named a starter in New England in the next day or so. No, no, he's not naming a starter.

Bill's not naming a starter, Mike. You know that. No, I think he's going to name a starter, and I'm sure Cam Newton will be named team captain because he's captured the team, right? So, like, you passed on that. And so I think unless the owner is willing to change and allow you to build a culture, you've got no chance. Mike, I was curious about this.

How much of this falls at the feet of the front office and how much of it is, like, Marone's fault? I mean, I feel like they're kind of giving him the reins to do whatever he wants with this. And I don't think he's really proven that, you know, he deserves that. As I tweeted out, Bill Walsh used to say that more GMs get coaches fired than actual games. And I think it's really true. Marone, he knows he's dead man walking. I mean, did you see his release when he said, we tried to trade Fournette? We wanted a sixer. Nobody wanted him. I mean, that you see his release when he said, we tried to trade Fournette? We wanted a sixer.

Nobody wanted him. I mean, that's like an act of desperation. I think this, he knows he's in a tough spot. You know, the Buffalo gig, he had the option to get out. He had won, so he had some cachet, right? And he knew, he thought he would get another job, and I guess he missed, he didn't think, he thought he was going to get

the jet job, you know, and that just didn't happen. So, I think he was going to get the jet job, you know, and that just didn't happen. So I think he's in a really hard place. I think all their coaches are in a hard place. They know it. They know they're going to get fired. They know they're not going to win more than four games. They know they're tanking for Trevor Lawrence no matter what. Okay.

That was going to be my next question because whenever I was with the Colts and we won two and 14, we won two out of the last three. We're getting hot, by the way. If that season's fucking 32 games, we're probably in the Super Bowl. Let's not get crazy here. But everybody was talking about the tanking, the tanking, the tanking, you're tanking, you're tanking. Immediately after the season, though, Bill Pullian got fired,

and then Jim Caldwell promptly got fired. So both people lost their job. If this Jaguar team is tanking, now granted, we had Bill Pullian on the show. Bill Pullian said, if we were tanking, we won two out of the last three games. We weren't doing it right or whatever, however he wanted to talk about it. And the players never tank. But isn't this something that everybody has to buy in on, and then it could ultimately also kick everybody right in the taint

at some point. No doubt. But I mean, when you build your roster around a sixth round pick, Gardner Minshew, and tell me he's the starting quarterback, then you say, then you say, you know what, I'm going to search for the best backup. And oh, by the way, it's Mike Lennon. Like, I could go upstairs and ask my wife who is the better back. I mean, she could pick somebody better than Mike Lennon. Trust me on this. Okay. so you're tanking your actions say you're tanking right you're at you've got maybe five to six guys are going to start on offense that are rookies you played in the league you know if you're too young you can't win it's too hard it's way too hard you can't be too old you can't be too young you need balance in between and you need

some continuity they have neither i mean and they're not very good up front they traded calais campbell they traded on dake they've done all this so where are they going here's what's going to happen i think you are nowhere near i mean you are nowhere near pronouncing his name right there all right here's where i think here's what I think. Here's what I think is going to happen. I think this. I think that on August 31st, I think what they're going to do, at the end of the year, they will clean house. And I think he will go out and try to hire a big-name college coach.

Could he try to hire Dabo Sweeney? Yeah, probably a really smart move if he did it. But I think they're going to give that franchise to a coach and then let him kind of build it back. Because by the end of this year, the value of the franchise and what they've done since he's owned the team has been a disaster. Man, giving it to a college coach is interesting because that could be a big whiff.

Saban at the Dolphins is another thing. I don't know if Dabo and Saban are anything like each other, but that would be very interesting if they gave the college guy G. Emerald. Dude, that's fucking big. Michael, you've been saying for a long time that you think Trubisky is going to be the starter strictly because if Foles is the starter, Mitch, he just can't mentally come back from that. Do you still believe that? No chance.

The fact that it's even close. What did John Madden once say? When you got a lot of something, you got nothing, right? If you think you have two quarterbacks, you don't have any. Oh, no, no. Hey, if you have two quarterbacks, that means you have no quarterback. Correct. I mean, look, MVP Mitch is a very fragile guy.

Obviously, picked in front. Look at the top of that draft. It was Miles Garrett, and then there's a lot of misses. It went MVP Mitch, Solomon Thomas, and then Fournette. I mean, think about that. And this is the Patrick Mahomes to Sean Watson draft. So that was one of those. So I think you can't go back.

You're not going to go back to MVP Mitch. The locker room knows. You could sell the locker room early in the season that, hey, he's here. He's going to be the guy, yada, yada, yada. But at some point, when he comes in off the bench, nobody's in the huddle saying, oh, man, Mitch is in. We're going to be fine now. Don't worry.

Shut up. That ain't happening. That's just not going to happen. They said he looks like a brand-new quarterback. They say he looks like a brand-new guy. Brand-new guy. I mean, the one thing I don't believe is all these reports coming from camp. Remember this line, evaluate the evaluator, right?

Like, evaluate the evaluator. Who's telling you that this guy's a good player? Like, I couldn't even – Pat, you guys can tell you, when I said Trubisky stunk the year they went to the playoffs, I couldn't even go to Chicago. They said, like, don't come to this. I had a speaking engagement there. You're going to get mugged, you know, because I said I wouldn't buy.

I would not buy Trubisky if he was on a discount rack at Feline's basement. Jeez. What is your deal? Why are you so, Jay? Is this how you were a GM, by the way? Is this exactly how you talked as a GM right here? Is this like a. I mean, look, you come in my office.

I'm going to tell you the truth.'m not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna tell you something that that i think is you know i'm not gonna sit there and lie to you and tell i don't want to cut you but this coach wanted to cut you no look here's the deal here's the way i see it here's what we're gonna do life goes on we got to be honest with one another did anybody ever come close to slapping you i mean i i don't think there was any need for me to get slapped i was just being honest i mean it was coaching not criticism i mean i think you're slow you could say i'm hard on trubisky i'm right on you want me to say oh he's a really nice player pat he's going to do really good bish i think his footwork is marvelous i love his footwork oh i'm just in love with it player pat he's going to do really good i think his footwork is marvelous i love his footwork oh i'm just in love with it i think he's going to be much better oh and what did they say

who said it the other day oh it's just his eyes he needs to focus his eyes i mean like why would you want me to lie to you i'm not a good liar i'm really not when you worked at the the patriots so closely with bill belichick you said and i think your son's coaching there right now, so you might have a little insider information on this, but very early you said, Cam Newton and Bill Belichick are going to get along just fine. Cam Newton, this is going to be completely good. We agreed with you. There were some idiots in Boston and other places that were like,

no, he's not going to be able to fit into the Patriot way and everything like that. Now videos are coming out. Cam Newton is being Cam Newton, and Bill Belichick seems to be enjoying the hell out of it and complimenting the living shit out of Cam Newton, everything he he does you said that he's going to be named starter here in the next couple of days what have you been hearing about that relationship and is anybody in the building surprised at all by this whole thing no not at all he's the first guy there i mean read

the quotes read the quotes from players first guy here last guy gone now always with a new hat never the same outfit every day respect that's a complete wardrobe that kind of stuff doesn't bother belichick belichick's about how hard you work is your head in the playbook do you put the team first are you doing the things to make us better that's what he cares he doesn't care what your fashion statement is and everybody that thinks they know bill has no idea i was texting with a coach today who who is new to that staff up there. And the reality is you don't know really what goes on in that building unless you've been in the building. And all these people that think they know, they think they know, they really don't know.

The thought of what Adam Vinatieri told me the first time after we go up there and after the game, Belichick sought out vinny you know they had a moment i was like man that's really cool and i like i think i even like gave like a belichick like a fan like a big fan like whenever he shook vinny's hand because i was just following vinny around or whatever and he was like he gave me a thank you or whatever just walked it off or whatever and i asked vinny like on the trip home because it was up in foxborough i was like what's that dude like and he was like you would love him and he would love you by the way he's just he has a great personality everybody says he has a great personality incredible work ethic and he's the same person every single day

he said the consistency is the outlandish how consistent he is and the media portrays him because they just don't know and they can't get to him they can't really rattle him because he is truly has mental toughness so no matter what they say they can't he can't get to him they can't really rattle him because he is truly has mental toughness so no matter what they say they can't he can't get rattled and no one knows so they think they know they think they've been behind oh i know what goes on at the pit in fact here's the reality i said this to somebody there's been more nba basketball coaches that have read my book than nfl coaches and the reason that is, is because most NFL coaches think they know what goes on in New England. They don't really need to read my book to know what goes on behind the

scenes. Whereas the NBA coaches, they want to know, they want to learn, you know? I mean, Brad Stevens invited me up to speak to his coaching seminar last summer because he had read the book. Like that's the reality. And coaches in the league, what Vinatieri told you is there's so many guys in the league that have a perception of what goes on in New England. It ain't reality. They don't know really what happens. They don't know how they prepare to win games. They don't know what it takes to win games.

And so why would I read Lombardi's book? I know what they do up there. You know, it's no big deal. They have no clue. As Uncle Junior from the from the sopranos once said some people are so far out of the race to actually think they're winning aizan with a ponder quote what's the name of the book gridiron genius i gotta send you i gotta get your house now don't wait don't wait you're wasting it i was like i'll buy one because i

would like to support the cause but i will never read it so it's just there's no chance i read it audio tape when you're doing that 115 steps climbing up those stairs when you're going up the empire state building every day yeah you can listen to it you know i i do feel as if i've gotten a little soft i've not cracked 200 yet this in the last couple weeks i think today i think i'm going to 200 today i think i'm going 200 floors here we go i think we're on 200 floors today what's the empire state how many floors are those i don't know but it're on 200 floors today. What's the Empire State? How many floors are those? I don't know, but it's that one over in, it's the Wiz Khalifa.

Burj Khalifa. 163. The Burj Khalifa's 162 floors or something. That's in Abu Dhabi, so that's the one I go for. I'm not going, but I want you to go. No, I'm your inspiration.

Remember, get your ass on that horse and find that fucking dog. Oh, yeah. Diggs, what do you got? Michael, we had you on every Friday last year during the football season. Picks were great. Great picks, by the way. What Michael, we had you on every Friday last year during the football season. Picks were great, obviously.

Great picks, by the way. What were you? Do you remember your percentage? You probably do. I think it was somewhere like 68%, 69%. Is that good? I don't know. Vegas Dave may be better.

I don't know. I don't know. You know, I mean, it's the best. I love that guy. That guy, he's selling picks. He's never been wrong, right? We're 10 days away from betting the NFL season. Are you general things?

Are we fading first-year coaches? Is there things that you're looking for week one? That's a great question. I think this. Go to the week one lines. There's a lot of action already been played on these week one lines, and most of this action is coming from sharp bettors. For example, the Niners are a seven and a half point favorite against the Cardinals in the opening game.

Everybody, everybody are betting the Cardinals. The 49ers have one percent. As long as that number stays above seven and a half, the Cardinals will be. Their offense is fairly intact. They've gotten better on defense. They gave the 49ers trouble last year. To me, the way I'm looking at this thing is, I think this, I think conditioning is going to matter in the month of September. I think the teams that do less, meaning they don't have a

lot of scheme to them, that they can execute and don't make mental mistakes are going to be able to win. I think red zone offense and defense is really going to matter. And I think red zone third downs are going to matter. I think the know that and what is and so those things tell me veteran and coaches that understand what it's going to take to get a team ready i'm going to play them in quarterbacks in the first week and i'm going to look for the numbers because we don't know really what's going on we haven't watched these teams practice we haven't seen you know the line in kansas city houston and thursday night is 10 going to 10.5. It's moving there. That's a lot of points, especially considering how good Houston's offense could be. And what people don't realize is down the stretch last year, Kansas City's

defense was really good. Really good. That's how they really won the Super Bowl. Their defense played at a higher level than it did all year. And I'm not sure they can do that. Okay, so, I mean, you just said they can do that okay so i mean you just said a lot i mean obviously you just said a lot it was incredibly deep and very knowledgeable but you said to the teams that do a lot look for them to potentially be in trouble because of conditioning earlier i think the kansas city chiefs are the picture of teams that do a lot right i mean isn't that the team that does you know the chiefs are deceiving because they do a lot but they're simple like they don't they simple. Think about the formations they're in.

It's always three by one with Kelsey away from the three by one. Why is that? Because they want to be able to get the ball. They want to know where the double teams are coming. You can't double Tyreek Hill really well when he's in the slot. So they're really kind of simple, but they run the same place over and over again from different looks. It's the Joe Gibbs. If you said to me, Michael, who influenced Bill Belichick more than anybody? People would say, oh, Bill Parcells. No, Joe Gibbs. Because Joe Gibbs was really good at running a lot of different looks

but having them all be the same place from different looks. That, to me, is a little bit like the Chiefs. You don't want to get in the situations. How many times have you seen those free acts? Guy blows the coverage. No communication. That's going to happen in September because the teams that don't understand

less is more in September will lose. Michael, what's Bill Belichick's favorite food? Favorite food? Yeah. That's a good question. Does he eat? Steak. Well done.

He eats it well done. He's a steak guy. Does he eat? Steak, I would, you know, steak well done. He eats it well done. He's a steak guy. He likes a burger. Subway sandwiches. Well done steak. Okay. That's because he's tough. I mean, I think anything, you know, crabs, I think seafood is probably his favorite.

Oh, because up there in Boston, delicious. Well done steak and lobster, a little surf and incredibly fried turf. Does he actually eat? That was an interesting, only a great host like yourself can make that transition from the betting of the Kansas City Houston game to Bill Belichick's diet. Well, as soon as I heard you say Michael, like I had to do a Michael question and that was the only one that I could really think of. That's 100% on me.

So you kind of went back and forth on the Kansas City Houston game because obviously it's the first game. So we are going to hammer very large you're feeling houston it feels like huh because you think the defense isn't going to be as good as they were down the stretch and that's a lot of points well i think it's a lot of points right so let's just break down so right now there's 2143 tickets that have been written up on this game already that's a lot of tickets that's a lot of tickets so far right and so what what are those tickets telling us? Because remember, the betting market is no different than the stock market. We have to follow the money to understand what's going on here.

54% of the tickets that are being written up are on the Chiefs. 50% of the money is coming in on both ways, all right? So really, everybody's taking the – and the line has moved down to 10. So because the line opened at 10. a half and it's gone to 10 and the money's the same, that tells you there's a lot of sharp money coming in more on Houston than on Kansas City. Because the amount of bets are equaling the amount of money that's being bet on this side. So the amount of bets has moved the line. Let me give you a better example.

Let's just say, okay, San Francisco has a thousand tickets, almost 1100 tickets written up. 71% of those tickets that have been written up are taking the Arizona Cardinals. 98% of the money is on the Cardinals. No one's betting the Niners. So that 29% of those tickets, they're $5 tickets. They're just cheap tickets because it only represents 2% of the money. So all the substantial money is coming in on the Arizona Cardinals. So you've got to look at these numbers and see where the money's going and see you always want to be on the side of the house.

Always. Always. And by the way, this might be the most Italian thing I've ever heard you speak about here. This is the most Italian I've ever heard you. Because I used to go, I used to work at a pizza shop. Okay, Dallas Out Pizza. Shout out Dallas Out Pizza in Pittsburgh. And one of his family members definitely ran a book.

It was very obvious. But all he would ever talk about is the number moving and what he would do with the moving. And that was like his whole thing. That's like the deeper play. You have to understand the market. You've got to know where the money's going. You just can't be Vegas Dave and have a hunch. You've got to know what the market is, and you've got to really understand it.

And when the ticket counts get up, right, and here's what happens with the books, too, which tells you. If you see a lot of money coming in on a team and they don't move the number to the team where the money's coming, that tells you that's public money. When they move the number based on where the sharps are coming, the people that do this for a living, the Billy Walters, those guys that have made a living on football,

then they move that number. I can't wait to have more of these conversations because we're trying to take every single dollar from the company that's right over your head right there ladies and gentlemen the incredibly smart and active and today sawed down everybody ladies and gentlemen, Paisa and Michael Lombardi. Yeah. I told you the truth. I didn't say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not personal. It's business. Oh, yeah. Hey, Foxy.

That's business, baby. Hey, have a good one, Lombardi. We appreciate you. Thank you. Yep. Man. I mean, he fucking sawed down everybody. Yeah, he also called him Yannick Ondake.

Yeah, N'Gake. He's notorious for getting names wrong. And he does not care, by the way. I told him, and he just powered right through it. I mean, that guy. I'm sure there's a lot of people that have played for teams or worked for teams that he was at and they probably hate him and I would assume that.

I enjoy talking to him a lot. Like, I enjoy talking to him a lot, a lot. All right, all right. Thank you so much. You're the best. All right, all right. Thank you so much. You're the best. All right, hound. Nothing's ever going to keep you. A little slap happy here.

A little tired. Maybe on some vitamins. Didn't record this until late. Absolutely forgot to do so. So here's a little behind the scenes Of what's going on over here There's a cat named Sebastian That currently just jumped up onto the bed Laying next to my wife Samantha

In between us is our daughter Valerie Who kicked Cancer's ass a couple months ago I have about one-eighth of the bed Everybody else has all the room There's a fan blowing on it over here And I hope you enjoyed today's show the bed. Everybody else has all the room. There's a fan blowing on it over here. And I hope you enjoyed today's show. Alright, Ty, please, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Bye. ស្រូវាប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់បានប់រូវានប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប� I'm beating cats up now, boy Didn't touch up that one Didn't kick Didn't touch up that one

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