The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 244 - PACKED SHOW. Washington President Jason Wright, Dallas Clark, Ariel Helwani, General Bob Carpenter, & Legend AJ Hawk.

Episode Date: September 3, 2020

On today's show, Pat is joined by former NFL Running Back and current President of the Washington Football Team, Jason Wright. Pat and Jason discuss how difficult of a challenge it has been taking everything over in the midst of what seems like a firestorm, how he's been trying to build and establish the culture with Ron Riveria both in the building and the locker room, what made him feel like he was prepared for the job, and how he isn't naive about how difficult of a challenge it will be (1:01-21:34). Next, Super Bowl Champion, Pro Bowler, All-Pro, Pat's former teammate, and Iowa Football legend, Dallas Clark joins the program. Pat and Dallas chat about everything you could imagine from their time as teammates together, some hilarious stories about one another, why he never wore gloves, how he's one of the most competitive human beings on the planet, and why he ultimately decided to move back to Iowa (23:07-56:21). Next, on another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk, Pat and AJ are joined by former 1st round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, Ohio State Legend, General of the Big Ten Army, Gen. Bob Carpenter. Pat, AJ, and the General discuss everything going on in the Big Ten right now, what Bob is hearing from his sources on the battlefield, why he doesn't want football to become a bipartisan issue, what needs to happen to resume the season, and if he's confident that it will get done in time (57:04-1:18:41). To close out the show, ESPN MMA Insider and friend of the program, Ariel Helwani joins the show. Pat and Ariel discuss the possibilities of Jorge Masvidal and Nate Diaz meeting again for the BMF belt, whether or not he thinks Brock Lesnar will ultimately end up in the UFC to fight Jon Jones, his relationship with Dana White, and why it is that people hate him (1:18:43-1:34:54). We appreciate you all for letting us penetrate your ear holes. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello it is thursday september 3rd 2020 and if you're listening this this following piece of information is going to be too late so i apologize if you can hear in the background i am currently outside one with nature uh because there was a full moon last night how about that uh but so fucking cloudy you can't see anything alright it's pack show I think you're I mean you literally just heard me realize that I can't even see the moon I thought I was going to do something awesome

and see a full moon turns out can't see a damn thing alright well if you enjoy this show today go ahead and feel free to tell a friend about it. If you don't enjoy the show, just act like it never, ever, ever happened. Some big announcements, some incredible conversation. I think today is going to be a day we're going to be thankful that you decided to let us penetrate your ear holes. You're the greatest. Let's get to it.

Joining us now is a man that made headlines, headlines, headlines last week. And his job is not an easy one. The brand new president of the Washington football team. Seven-year NFL running back, ladies and gentlemen, Jason Wright. Yeah! Let's go, Jason! Hey, let's go! Yeah!

Let's go, Jason! Come on! What's up, man? What's up, man? What's up, man? Is he muted? I'm here for it. Hey, congratulations on getting that president job. That is no easy task, especially for a former player.

I was pumped to see it. Yeah, thanks, bro. Thanks, bro. It's been an eventful first week, but I'm enjoying it a lot. I'm enjoying it a lot. What does a president do? I don't think I fully understand the title of president. So what do you do? You just tie together the entire building, which I've heard is completely on fire over there. Do you just tie the entire place together, Jay?

You're saying I got a fire extinguisher sitting around. It depends. It depends team by team, right? In this case, if Coach Rivera is all about wins and losses, I'm all about dollars and cents. It's the expansion of the franchise. It's how we make money. It's how we expand value. And what that means is, you know, connecting with our fans meaningfully, you know, having good business operations,

all of that. I'm the business guy. Okay, congratulations, by the way. You're not only, you're an NFL guy, an NFL player, you also have a master's in finance and everything. You are by far ready for this job whenever it comes to the books. But whenever you get this gig, and I don't know how much you knew about what you were getting into,

new team name, new brand, have to build an entirely new brand. Exposé is coming out about the culture of the workplace, which is being exploited. By the way, everybody on earth is hearing about it. Now, head coach who seems like the perfect guy for the job diagnosed with cancer. I mean, this is some unprecedented position for you to be in. What is the mindset? Like, hey, we just kind of have to take care of everything as it go or just try to slowly like what is the mindset every day that has to be tough to think about? It's a tough task. I mean, a lot of this stuff I was wide eyed about coming in right um you know i do my due diligence i don't i don't rush headlong into things and so the stuff around the culture i'll still find out once the investigation is completed if it's you know

where it all shakes out but it's clear like we've got to root out any vestige of sexual harassment from the organization and that's a non-trivial task. And while it's a big problem, you know, because it affects people in a very deep and harmful way, the solutions are pretty simple. The solutions are pretty simple. It's just, it's put in good processes, figure out who in the organization is not leading how you want, and move on, and move the F on. You know, it's actually quite simple to move forward. And there's a broader set of aspects of culture that will develop to making sure people feel empowered, they feel equipped to do their work, all that stuff. The identity, the name, the brand, that's exciting to me. That's exciting to me. Like that's a once in a generation decision that

we as a franchise, along with our fans and our sponsors and the leaders of this community are going to make that shape this organization, this area, you know, for a generation to come. So I'm incredibly excited about that. So I don't even see that as a big burden, but as an opportunity. And even the culture piece I see as an opportunity, frankly, because once we get it right, there's going to be a huge emotional burden lifted off of folks who have worked here for a long time and they deserve that you know what i mean um so so i see it all as very very positive the thing that um you know is new is coach ravira but that man's a rock so like he he did his press conference and he basically said like look keep it moving people i'm good you should be good and um it's it's really inspiring so

it's a lot of work it's a lot of swirl. It's a lot of swirl, but I'm enjoying it because I see where we're going to be. Man. Hey, I want to run through a wall right now. Let's go. Hey, let's go. I mean, I don't know if I'm tough enough to do that, but like, so every day you go in there, I would assume with the quarantine protocols, it's a lot different, but I assume that you're communicating with a lot of the employees now and like trying to learn as much as you go every single day. How much are you tied into the football side at all? Or are you not at all over there? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm tied in in so far as it helps coach Rivera set culture. Right. So, um, you know, I've introduced my, he had me introduce myself to the guys

at practice. So they knew who I was, knew what role I was playing, knew what role I wasn't playing. And that's important to make clear. And then, you know, as we as the team paused to to reflect on race and society and have a dialogue in the locker room, like a real talk dialogue in the locker room, they invited me in to share my experiences as a player and as an individual and as a black man on that. So I'm there to help him shape the culture however he wants me in over there. And he's doing the same for me. You know, we had a big, we call them ask me anything sessions where we're talking to our workforce on the business side. And frankly, the whole organization about the things we're going through in culture. And Coach Rivera came over to help me lead that conversation. So we work quite closely together, especially in shaping culture.

And then on tactical things like COVID and stadium operations, we got to be in sync. You know, thinking about team travel, the business side and the football side got to work closely together. So, yeah, we're working close. But it is, like you said, it's a lot of listening, man. Your instincts are right. I'm doing a lot of listening and learning right now. So whenever I was on the team when Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with leukemia, and it was a moment that was startling, it was crazy,

and then it was something that really rallied us together, right? Like it really brought our entire building together. I'm not just talking players. I'm talking marketing. I'm talking ticket sales. Everybody kind of came together because whenever you're going through something that nobody else goes through, does it feel like that's what's happening in the building?

Because the Washington football team has been dumped on by everybody. I mean, that's something that with the distractions now, with everything potentially happening, with more investigations, and then Coach Rivera, does it feel as if the building is coming together around that, like, hey, we got good people in here, let's continue to grow on that? Is that what it feels like? Yeah, I think we're getting there. I think for sure on the football side, you know, coach and that's, and that side of the house,

I've had a little more time to start to build that. And so I think you see the response of the team and the folks in football operations around coaches diagnosis and just following his like, you know, generals commanders intent has been really inspiring to see. It's been dope, frankly. And so I see it there. I think on the business side, we're just getting started. I'd be lying if I said, hey, yeah, we're all rallying together after, you know, one week of new vision, new direction. No, we got we got a lot of skeptics and that's good. And that is good because they should hold us, our new leadership, to a high

account. Like, skepticism is not a bad thing, because I feel very confident that we will deliver on the new culture, but I do think people are already seeing that it's a different approach. We're quite open. I'm very transparent. I talk to folks. I answer their questions directly. I don't dance around it, and so I think folks are seeing that this is a first fruits, a down payment, if you will, on where we're headed. But it's going to take time for us to prove over and over again that we're we are about what we say. I'd say you're a bit different. You're probably the only NFL president in history to describe something as dope. I would like to let you know, I appreciate and respect that. The Washington football team, you came in, I think, after that decision was made, right?

The naming? Yes, that's right. Okay. So whenever you came in, did they say, hey, we don't know if we're going to stick with Washington football team. We're planning on changing it. Was that a preconceived thing or was it like, hey, we're open for suggestions on however you want to do this? Yeah, no, it's open, man.

It's wide open. I think, you know, where I aligned with where the marketing team was already headed with this is that it needs to be more than a logo, more than what you put on a jersey. It needs to be about identity. And it's an important moment for us to reset identity. You know, coaches resetting it on the field. We need to reset it as an organization for the way that we face the media, the way that we talk to our fans, the way that we design the fan experience, the way we engage with leaders in the community, the way that we do charitable work. Like this new identity and name is going to inform

all of that. You know, it needs to be something really substantial that represents the D.C., Maryland, Virginia area in a real way. And so I'm on board with the approach we're taking, which is engaged fans substantively, a bunch. Get their input not just in number, but in quality moments. They feel like they really have their fingerprints on this. Same thing with sponsors. Same thing with political leaders and community leaders in the dc maryland virginia area because it needs to be a community decision not everybody's gonna love where the name lands right you can only pick one name yeah but but everybody needs to feel like

they were part of the process that they understand how it went and they need to understand the logic for where we landed and then then we can build the unity that we need to be the fan base that this this fan base has been for for so many decades that's that transparency though right that not just in the building but with your fans because i assume the fans have lost a lot of trust potentially in a franchise that they have been very loyal to i mean the the the fan base over there for a long time has been one of the most loyal i mean it was the biggest it was the biggest stadium in the nfl there for a little bit before jerry uh built Jerry World. And that place was built like a coliseum straight up. I mean, whenever it was humming back in the day, it was awesome.

Let's talk about that stadium and your fans. Going into the season, some people have rolled out how many people they expect to put in the stadium, the protocols of putting in a stadium. I assume that has been a pretty tall task for you, especially where you're at. How are those decisions being made whenever it comes to stadium to stadium on how many people are allowed in and what that's going to look like? Yeah. So the league has given really good guidelines on health and safety procedures. So there's only a maximum level of what you can do that follows health protocols. And that comes from the league. It's incredibly,

I was skeptical coming in. It's incredibly coordinated. The information flows well. I'm really happy about it. Right. And then at the team level, you have a decision you can make on do you want to push towards that max, which is somewhere around 20 to 30 percent capacity in the stadiums? Or do you want to do something less based on what you're trying to do with your workforce, what you're trying to do in your community, what your community leaders are thinking and saying. And when we took in all that data, we said, hey, for us, we think it's the best bet to do no fans. It's the best bet to do no fans.

What we've seen in other leagues, especially both domestically and internationally, the density of a place like D.C., for us, the risk was not worth it at this time. And so we're going no fans for now. But it doesn't mean we don't engage fans. It actually ups the bar on how we engage fans over this time period. And I just finished a meeting, a long meeting before this, that we were focusing on what are the ways that we can really innovate the fan experience during this time.

We don't have fans in the stadium. So what can we create using augmented reality and displays that people can use in their homes to overlay? That's like you hold up your phone or something and you've got, you know, a scoreboard over the TV that makes it feel like you're in the stadium in some way. How do you get the images of fans into the stadium in different ways? Like, we're thinking about all of these things that build that connection in a new way to help with this year, but also become things that we do going forward if it really engages folks and they really like it. So we're looking at it as an opportunity to innovate while we have the empty stadium. Should I call you Mr. Wright, Jason, Jay? What should I call you?

Jay or Jason is perfect. Okay, Jay. Maybe you guys have, this is just spitballing here. Maybe you guys have somebody from the Washington football team organization go to every season ticket holder's house and dump beer on their back. You know what I mean? Like big play happens, like ah! Gatorade. Yeah, Gatorade.

Do whatever you got to do. Maybe that just made it a little bit more realistic. I like it. What do you got, Diggs? Jason, as a first-time president who is or has to build a new culture, have you or will you reach out to other presidents of organizations that are respected in the league to maybe get some advice on how their teams are run, or is it just a completely different situation with you guys?

And then since you're on the finance side, will you be dealing with player contracts at all or negotiations? No. I'll answer the second one first. That's an easy and hard no. I will not be involved with uh you know with player yeah with player negotiations and contracts um on the first one what i love about the league is people are super collaborative so other presidents have reached out i got to get

through my freaking text messages because my phone blew up over the last couple weeks but as i'm getting through that's actually one of my main priorities is getting on the phone with other presidents and some of them have walked through different But as I'm getting through, that's actually one of my main priorities is getting on the phone with other presidents. Some of them have walked through different things that I'm getting ready to walk through. You know, Kevin DeMoff reached out from the LA Rams and they've walked through the stadium process that I'm going to undergo over the coming years.

So there are multiple folks that are eager to lean in and help. And I've deeply appreciated it as well as the league office itself. Connecting with folks up there, understanding what other teams do. It's a very open and sharing culture, and it's going to help us get to where we need to get to more quickly. What did you do before this? What was your gig before this? Yeah. So when I, when I retired, I went to business school and I was a management consultant for a big professional service for, I was a partner at a firm. And basically what I did is I'd take teams, I'd have multiple teams at any given time around the

world, helping a business solve some complex problem that they couldn't solve on their own. And usually when you pay money to have external help come in, it was a situation where they were either in financial crisis, reputational crisis. They had some sort of people issue, not dissimilar to the one that we have going on with our independent investigation. Or it could be like a new product launch or something like that. Some big, hairy problem that they asked for help in. And I've been helping companies solve those problems for the last seven years. So you're literally the perfect human for this job. I mean, you said it.

No, I'm not. By no means am I the perfect person for it. Am I qualified? Yes, but I'm learning a lot already. I'm learning a lot already, and I'm grateful for the expertise that's grown up more in the league to help me shape my thinking as well. What do you think being a player is going to help you in this entire thing for seven years?

Not normal, by the way, player who goes seven years in a league, not by the way, congratulations, not normal. That is not an easy thing to do. Then become masters, then become a third party independent thing that saves companies around the world. You're welcome. Then now you're president of a football team. I mean, there's not a lot of players that have ever done that.

What do you think? Do you think football has obviously helped you be able to mentally take on all these things? Yeah, I'll talk about what football did for me heading into business in general. And then what I think it's doing now, going into business in general, I think there's a lot of smart people in business. But you know, this about football is that you learn a level of resilience and ability to focus under pressure in high stakes sports that I think is pretty unparalleled. You know, I used to tell people, you know, I learned how to fail in my first few years of the NFL. I was getting cut every other day on and off of practice squads, running out of money. I lived with my aunt and

uncle in Atlanta when I was with the Falcons because I couldn't afford anything. My rent was like running my aunt's lotto numbers, you know, to the corner store, you know, and I drove an hour and a half to the practice facility because they lived pretty far away in Atlanta. Like I learned how to fail. I learned how to grind and I learned how to recreate my confidence when somebody told me I wasn't good enough. And I think in business, a lot of folks don't get that experience. You're a straight A student. You've always succeeded. Then the first time someone tells you that your spreadsheet sucks, it like tanks your confidence. And for me, you know, I've fumbled in front of 80,000 people and been booed and been in sports

centers, you know, not top 10. So I'm good. Like you know what I mean? Like you yell at me in the boardroom. Okay. I'm, I'm over that. Like, let's move it. Let's keep it moving. And so I think it really helped me have a measure of resilience in business that allowed me to be a good counselor to CEOs. Cause I could shoot it straight with them. I was unaffected by, you know, the emotional moments of folks and that sports helped me a lot there in sort of my leadership capacity. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then I think now it helps me to bridge the business and football sides of the organization. You know, there's a lot of things that the business side, we need the players and coaches and football staff to do to help us expand the value of the franchise. But at the same time,

I know that Wednesday morning through Monday afternoon, you need to be on the grind to perform on the field. And so it's on me to shape our business operations in a way that don't draw on those guys and gals during that time period. Smart. You know? Yeah. And so that's an important thing and an important lens that I bring, you know, to the table right away.

And then as I think about things like game day operations and stadium operations and things like that, having the lens of a former player I think about things like game day operations and stadium operations and things like that having the lens of a former player I think helps too and then I think ultimately it should help the culture of the franchise to feel like one culture because especially as the guys get into the offseason yeah so it's not divided right especially as I get into the offseason I'm happy to help play whatever role I can to help those guys think about their future, the transition out of football, which, as we all know, is not easy. Mine looks good right now, but it sucked along the way. You talk about my wife, my first two years, she'd be like, oh,

yeah, this man was a mess. To help folks think through that and help contribute to the culture on the team that Coach Revere is trying to build, I'm happy to do that too. And there's probably other things I'll find out, but that's what I see now. Well, I'll tell you what, man, I am very, very impressed with this conversation. I'm very thankful that a former player has gotten into the role that you've gotten into. You're blazing trails for a lot of people, and we're very thankful. Can't wait to see you succeed. You got a hell of a fucking climb to get over, but I am pumped to watch you do it. It's an opportunity, Jay. it's an opportunity

jay it's an opportunity it's an opportunity bro it is well ladies and gentlemen how you doing keep it moving new president washington football team jason right thank you appreciate you hey he's awesome polished yeah yeah hey he's all he came from a firm that used to deal with pr crises and rebranding things and doing everything like could there be a more perfect human to get in there and by the way former player is a big deal because whenever he was talking about bringing the entire building together there's two very distinct things in an nfl building it's the it's the football side and then there's the business side and the business side isn't always on the same page it's football

side and you can see it through a lot of different things if you look closely not the way it's the social media the way the social media is handled whether the day-to-day operations you can kind of tell when a building is all together though it is obviously just like a football team when everybody's together just a much better thing for everybody but he's got some tall tasks i mean there is some tall things but the way he spun everything into an opportunity it's like oh this guy is like president 101 right here like this guy is the guy like it's not an obstacle into an opportunity, it's like, oh, this guy is like President 101 right here. Like, this guy is the guy. Like, it's not an obstacle. It's an opportunity.

It's like I've seen a lot of people on Instagram say that. But, boy, when you actually have to do it, that is a much different ballgame than just pandering on the Internet. Shout out to my Twitter account, by the way. Yeah, and it seems like he has, like, largely removed his ego from the equation, too. Like, he fully well understands, like, how difficult this is going to be and that there's going to be, like, a lot of from the equation too. Like he fully well understands like how difficult this is going to be and that there's going to be like a lot of bumps and bruises, but it doesn't seem like he's in it for himself, you know, to like build his own reputation.

It's so interesting to hear him talk about how I've fumbled in front of 80,000. I've been on SportsCenter, not 10. It's like whenever you get humbled at that level, it's kind of hard to take anything too serious, you know, after that. It's like, okay, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm peeing my pants, whatever. Just keep it moving. He said it perfectly. The people that didn't do sports as they were growing up,

and I worked with them in the office and stuff like that, the boss would yell at them, and they would just absolutely crumble and go cry in the hallway. But when you have been called every single name under the sun by a coach, that doesn't affect you at all. While tobacco is getting spit at. You sack of... All right, yeah.

I tried. I didn't mean to miss. I tried to put it through. I tried harder, mother. It's like, okay, all right. So it can't be anything harder than this. By the way, it gets to a point, though, where you get sick of people yelling at you like that.

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wearing no gloves at all, incredible teammate, good guy, Iowa guy. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, 44, Dallas Clark. Yeah! What is going on, fellas? Dallas, I can't thank you enough for joining us. Where are you? Why did you not tell me it's Sleeveless Wednesday?

Dallas, I know you're out there in the middle of Iowa. I could have pulled mine. Oh! I mean, let's go. Let's go. Are we doing this? Whoa. What are you? Oh, you've been getting after it over there, huh? Is that just farm strength

right there, or are you actually still getting after it? It's half. It's 60-40. 60 farm strength, 40 just throwing iron around in the weight room. Just can't get enough of it. You know, I think I'll lift until I die. I think I've come to the conclusion. You were.

I mean, look at you. I'm trying to keep up with you. Well, I'm going to be very fat, though, at some point. So I'm just trying to have these pictures so that I can look back on and say, hey, you remember when. But when I talk about NFL guys being super competitive, okay, I think that is something. But there's levels to it. Like Bill Belichick just talked about how Cam Newton is this guy who's in the top echelon of being competitive. He wants to win every sprint.

He wants to win every race. You were that guy. I mean, even at, I don't want to call you old, but whenever you were a little bit older, right, whenever I was there, you were that guy that was just like ultra competitive. Were you that guy your entire life? And is that why the transition from linebacker to tight end and then into the NFL was so simple for you, you think?

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say, did you say simple? Yeah, yeah, simple. No gloves. Don't even need the benefit of gloves. I'm going to go no gloves here. I'm just going to make this as easy as possible. I think the only thing about the NFL that's simple is walking through the front door after that. It's your. Oh, but and then again, that door might, you know, come back and kick you in the butt. But but no, I mean, dude, i'm the youngest of two older brothers that just

beat the tar out of me every day and uh and my middle brother i mean i'm still kind of scared to death i think he i think he could kill somebody i mean he just has a switch you know so living with that and like don't tell mom i'll kill you know, you literally believe that. Like, you know, and so I've always had that kind of fight or, you know, that fight or fight, you know, instinct kind of just reminded every summer day getting pounded by them, why mom's at work. And so, yeah, but I've always, I mean, we've always been competitive. I've always been. And I tell you what, Pat, I mean, it's a blessing and a curse. I mean, it is, you know, cause I think like, I think there's this notion that

you're supposed to like stop being competitive, um, over like who can get to the tree first or who can ride on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a scooter. Like I'm still trying to, I'm competing with my kids now. You know what I mean? I don't think, I think if it's in you in you it never leaves i don't think it's something you can be taught i don't think it's something that you can just like pick up um it's same way of being a leader right i mean i don't think you can learn being elite i get it there's just some core about it that either you have it and you can flourish and grow with it and and expand and and get different uh ways to do it but if you just don have, and there's nothing wrong with that, you know, and there's just nothing wrong with not being competitive. Like I look at those people a little weird.

It's just like, why do you not want to win at throwing the ball farther than the guy next to you? It's like, well, who cares? Oh, you should care. That doesn't make sense. Let's talk about the offense that you were a massive part of in Indianapolis because Peyton, obviously, one of the most competitive humans of all time. You were there with Marv, Reggie, obviously.

That offensive line was a tight core from Edrin James, Joseph Adai, the entire offense there. What made you guys – Pat McAfee. I only came out at the end whenever you guys failed. You know what I mean? I know, but we needed you. We needed you.

Hey, clip that. Somebody clip that. that somebody clip that let's keep it going but why was that offense so good why were you guys so good like what was it about you guys you think as a unit that made you guys so reliable so consistent and so damn good well i think we just touched on it's the competitiveness i think we had 11 guys in that huddle that were the biggest competitors and and never never were complacent always wanted you know nothing was perfect nothing we could always get better and obviously the ringleader was peyton and uh you know i think and what's awesome about every position on that line or on in that group had that leader you know obviously peyton's leader the quarterbacks je Jeff Saturday is the leader of the offense alignment. I was, you know, leader of the alignment.

Reggie, Wayne, Marv, you know. I mean, you look across. I mean, there was – I mean, we got some dudes. I mean, when I came in as a rookie, I mean, I was like, do you guys need a towel, need a water? Like, why am I in here? Like, what is going – I mean, this is stupid good. It was phenomenal.

I mean, and so you just have that and just the professionalism and the way we attack things. And then you have Tom Moore and, you know, just running the show of just, you know, just dog cussing, Howard Mudd, just dog cussing. I mean, it just was awesome. It was just a perfect dynamic. Obviously, Bill Pullen, the mastermind behind all of it. But I think it was just the competitiveness.

And obviously, the chip on our shoulders wanting to obviously end up on top. And boy, did we take our hits and did we take our lumps and bruises. You don't want to live in the world where, gosh, that group should have had four of them. Or that group should have had three of them, you know, or that group should have had three, you know, Peyton should have had, you know, whatever, you know. You don't want to live in that because that's taken away from everyone else. Like, hey, we didn't deserve it. We didn't do what it took.

But, man, you know, how hard it is to get that one. It's just like, thank goodness we got one. We should have got more. It's disappointing, and that's the competitiveness in us, you know. But, man, it was what a ride to try to climb those hills because that was competitive football. Not that it is now, but it was fun, competitive. And that's when Rodney Harrison on the backside of the ball

could just drill you in the back for no reason. And you'd look at the ref like, hey, what? And they're like, hey. It's football, baby. Hey, that's football, baby. Come on. Come on, Rick. You should know better.

Rest in peace to Howard Mudd, by the way. Absolute legend of a man. Very important. He was offensive line coach, but very important to that entire building. And I was very lucky that I was drafted into the end of that whole run you guys had. I got a chance to watch. Like, okay, this is how greatness is. This is what greatness is like this is this is what greatness is the building after games like yeah obviously people

were happy but it was like hey we're just coming into our job the next day and then as i got towards the end of my career there there's a little bit of a different view and things like the world kind of you know there's the locker room kind of changed a little bit and i felt i felt i wasn't old enough right in the young in the first couple years to say anything but I was young enough to like learn and then when the transition happened in the new building I wasn't old enough to like be able to say like well this isn't how this is not how it's supposed to go so I was kind of like stuck I was kind of stuck in like this very weird thing but I would assume that when you came in there as a young guy and you have this incredible offense this

incredible quarterback everything going on and you're a young guy and you have this incredible offense, this incredible quarterback, everything going on, and you're a young guy, you said you were supposed to be holding a towel. Somebody at some point said, hey, wear gloves. Like, I would assume somebody said that. Like, hey, wearing gloves is like a,

it's like putting salt on a, it's just everything is better with gloves. Why did you never wear, this is something I don't think I've ever gotten an answer from you from. I don't think I ever had enough guts. I didn't talk to you because you're a punter i didn't even actually i'm surprised that's it all makes sense now like seeing i'm so glad we're facetiming because i'm like oh that's pat

i thought you're pat breen i thought you you were Peyton's assistant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought he got the show. I thought Peyton hooked him up with a radio show. Yeah. That show would be good too, by the way. Pat Breen. That show would be very good. That guy would have some stories.

Yeah, oh yeah. Okay. So here's the story. No gloves, all right? So I was a linebacker. I walked on as a linebacker in Iowa and wore the gloves, right, because that's what linebackers do. That's when we were tough.

And so I transitioned to tight end. So that summer in 2001, my quarterback, best friend, Kyle McCann, was teaching me how to play tight end. We're running routes in the backyard. And I felt like I was still a linebacker. And it was just dog days of summer. It was 100 degrees. So I took the gloves off because they're all sopping wet.

And, dude, it was like just feeling – I don't know. Look at those fingers, though. Look at your fingers right now. I mean, oh, my God. It looked like bananas coming out of your palms. They paid the bills, bud. So I took them off. And then it was just like – I mean, college football, I mean, if you can't catch a college football, I mean, it is like –

I mean, it's a perfect – I mean, you can just catch that out of nowhere. But, yeah, and it just kind of – and so don't worry. It went through my head. I'm like, gosh, the NFL. I might have to wear gloves. And so that rookie training camp, that weekend after the draft, you go in, and I didn't wear gloves. And just, you know, I've been catching the NFL ball, obviously, that fall

or that winter. But, you know, I've been catching the NFL ball, obviously, that fall or that winter. But, you know, it was defense guys. Obviously, they were like, man, why, you know, they were like, you know, running back to the huddle like, dude, why don't you wear gloves? Come on. And then if I dropped one, obviously, they're like, ooh, if you had gloves, you should go get some gloves. And so, yeah, it was just one of those things that I just love feeling the ball. And I just, I don't know, I felt. Was it Baltimore or New England where you caught that ball like it was a tray?

Like you literally caught the ball like this. I don't remember. I think it was Baltimore or New England. Baltimore. Baltimore. Yeah, it was a tray like you literally caught the ball like this i don't remember it was i think it was baltimore new england baltimore baltimore yeah it was the south south end zone south southeast corner yeah that was well that was crazy it's like i mean i was so i was so open and you know you're coming out i'm like you know you're expecting you know just boom right there and all of a sudden it's like where in in the heck is Peyton putting this thing? And so, I mean, I think he wanted me to make the top ten that week. So he's like, you know what, let's just give a little air to this one. And so, yeah, he made me have to concentrate on that one.

But, yeah, it was – that was awesome because the crowd right there in the corner, they're just like, well, he overthrew it, you overthrew it. Oh, son of the dagger. It's like a dagger. I think that was the touchdown. Oh, there she is, baby. I think that was, unfortunately, I think that was my only catch of the day. I've been on a tear.

So I was a little frustrated, but that was the touchdown that tied me with the late and the true legend john mackie uh for touchdowns uh with the colt so that was a special uh that was a special reception the touchdown there so that uh that guy that guy paved the way for us uh receiving tight ends that was he he started he planted the seed that us young bucks just we were able to cultivate and uh and now it's just now that you know now the kelseys and the kittles and all those boys they got a whole new crop out there that's just flourishing and it's beautiful to see yeah the tight end position is becoming a real weapon with the rules changing

you talked about rodney harrison go ahead and spearing you in the back whenever he wanted to that cannot happen anymore i mean you would be you might be playing until you're 45 50 years old if it was the modern rules right now especially with your work out there but um let's let's talk about the um that Buffalo Bills game okay you remember this and I don't know if you I do I don't know if you want to tell the story or not and I hope you do it, okay, and I was not in the huddle. I actually had like a $1.5 million bonus on the line in the middle of that blizzard. I had to have a certain amount of yards. So everybody on our team, this is my rookie year.

We went undefeated until we chose to lose, which was not a decision that was loved by everybody, but we literally chose to lose. The Buffalo Bills game, it was in the middle of a blizzard. It was the last game of the season. And for there was literally a one point i think three four million dollar bonus on the line that i had to have a certain amount of yards per punt i had to have a certain amount of punts inside the 20 everybody else around me is like this game is you know just a joke or whatever and i'm like i'm like yo leave me alone like i i need nobody to talk to me right

now this is the biggest game of my life but it is alleged that in the huddle, you guys were actually drawing up plays like in the snow because there was a certain amount of catches that people needed or yards people needed. Is that an accurate statement or was that all just a lie that I was told on a flight ride home after I hit a $1.35 million bonus and had a great time and don't remember everything is clean? Okay, so, you know, I think you just answered this, Pat. So you were aware of what you had to do, right? You knew you had things on the line, right? And you needed hit marks and things like that.

You know, I'm not going to get in Payne's head. I mean, that's a scary place. I mean, that dude thinks about everything, right? So it may have been brought to his attention that certain players and certain things had to get reach or knocking on the door of certain numbers and records and things like that. But, hey, when bullets are flying, here's the thing. Like, you can try to have a plan, but, you know, when it's – now it's snowing and it's just, you know, those guys are – they want nothing but to just kill us, right?

I mean, that's what – you know, they love that weather, and I do too. I'm from Iowa. But, yeah, I mean, it was – you know, we were definitely in their turf. But, yeah, to go to your question, I mean, it was just – we're trying to move the ball, and certain guys in the huddle are, you know, some playmakers, and Peyton just wanted to hit the ball. Yeah. His playmaker team.

He was at running back. I think they were lined up at running back at one point. And Reggie, I think, was lined up at H-back at one point. There was, like, things happening on this. I'm sitting on the side of that watching this, and I'm too young to know anything. And I'm like, Dallas is a running back. I think Reggie Wayne might have been a running back at one point

for, like, a swing pass or something. And Dallas is lined up. I'm like, what the hell is going on? But, by the way, by the way, Buffalo did not prepare for Reggie Wayne at running back. We went right down the field. I think we went down the field almost too fast. We played Denver the next week in the playoffs, and we just wanted to have them take more time.

They had to study now Reggie in the back. I mean, dude, you might think it was the stats and all this stuff. No, no, no, no, no. We want it. What? Reggie's running back? Oh, my gosh. He's going to set up a screen?

I mean, it just – and that's why we beat the brakes off of them. So, I mean, it was all because of Reggie in the background, in the backfield. Don't think – gosh, see, you're young, you're naive, you listen to those things on the, that's cute, but that did not, no, that did not take place. And by the way, I'm a member of the media now, so I'm trying to spin up these stories. I mean, it's.

Hey, seriously, okay, so can we talk about you now? Yeah, let's do it. No one wants to hear about me. Everyone's Googling me to figure out who is, why he taking up so much you were trending on twitter hey you were trending on twitter last night you were an answer to jim ursae's question actually so you were actually trending you're more important very more important right now than you've ever been if you didn't know that thank you pat for making me i i, Mr. Ursae, I guess, would help me with that. But here's the thing about what I love about Pat.

So Pat came in, and Pat was enigma. I like to say enigma because he was all about punting. Like, he did his job. But Pat had always had a vision. Like, where you are, this is where you've seen yourself here 15 years ago. I mean, you knew this is who you were meant to be. And I remember, Pat, I remember you specifically saying this, and you can deny this, you know,

because you can spin the story. You're like, Dallas, I just want to make $5 million, and then I'm out. And I'm going to go, and I'm going to do – I don't know if it was acting or like the media. I was going to have my own show. Dude, you're doing this in your apartment to probably some Pike High School kids. You probably had like a Facebook page or something. And, like, I mean, you're selling your T-shirt.

Dude, you are a hustler, a worker. And I say all that stuff in the most positive and respectful way. I mean, dude, you, you, you have a vision and you go for it. And that's why I've always loved you. And I've always respected you because you just see it and you go for it and uh and and it's and that is that's a gift and and you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do and i remember being like dude you are a phenomenal like you could do this forever like what you know and then when you retired i'm just like what is going on and so i mean but here here's the plan right you you've seen this and and and can i can i tell one of the best pat stories that and i still please by all means dallas i thank you by the way for all this hey i do this with my kids my kids are 11 and 9 the two boys we play backyard football and i'll do this with them because it might be the coolest thing in the world. I can't – and so anyone who has a shotgun, an old Mossberg or something,

you know it's like a pump shotgun, right? And you have to pump it. You have to cock it to get the shell into the chamber. So we are at – we're warming up for a game, and I remember looking over, and I'm giving Pat – maybe I was wishing him luck or something or i was probably giving him some bad punter joke like why did did you made the bus like we let you guys travel like or did you try you do you fight delta did you get in this morning

the red eye to to la um so and if you haven't noticed i love my you know because you have perspective and you have punter perspectives you know it's just all it's like it's just always just a little yeah yeah i got it you know so i if you understand where i'm coming from pat has under unfortunately taken the the big lashings of these these beatings but anyway, so back to Pat. So I'm walking off. I'm trotting off the field. And Pat's like, hey, Dallas, hey, watch this. And so, visual, if you're at home driving, don't, you know. So think about Pat taking both of his arms or both his hands around his thigh,

which are like tree trunks, by the way. I mean, the dude has got some thighs on him now, all right? Oh, God. And that sir has paid the bills. Yeah. And so he takes both. So he put both of his hands around his thigh, and he boom, boom, and he just cocked.

He's like, and he makes that noise. He goes, like he's cocking his thigh. He gets the ball, and then he just sends this skyrocketing. And forever I'm like, that is the coolest dude ever. And he just went so high, as high as a punter can go in my book, to just like full respect. And it was the coolest. So now when I kick the ball out in the backyard, I'll do that with the kids. just, like, full respect. And it was the coolest. So now, like, when I kick the ball out in the backyard,

I'll do that with the kids. Like, shh, shh. You got to cock it, right? Right? And it was the coolest. And so I thought, one, I thought you would, like, do that in a game. I thought we were going to do this as, like, your finishing move for, like, a wrestler and, you know, bring all this stuff in and and he

never he never he never coined it i mean dude if you i would love to know and by the way i do remember this interaction and i do remember immediately after doing that have to be like all right i have to bomb this one like for the moment for the story like i have to bomb the the the thought of me though and i think this is something that is pretty cool that nobody really knows about dallas because dallas you retired and just disappeared literally moved into like i don't know 700 acre farm in the middle of iowa with maybe no phone service i don't even know what the hell happened but you just like just hey we just got internet last year that's why we can be on this. That's why I finally interviewed you.

This is amazing. Well, the thing about you were you were this all-pro guy, right? Big-name guy, leader of the team, super competitive. All these jokes about punters you make. But think about the moment between a young punter and a superstar tight end who's a meathead. I mean, you are a meathead. In warm-ups, me being comfortable enough with how good of a teammate you were

and how welcoming you were. And I think that doesn't get talked about enough with, like, that group of guys, that offense and that defense, that team. Everybody was so cool. Like, Dwight Freeney was making, like, $4 million a week, and he, like, literally sent a limo to drive me places. You were so cool to me, so nice to me, invited me to things. Peyton was doing the same thing.

That team was just such a cool group of people. Think about a 22-year-old guy from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He went to West Virginia. Complete opposite human of Dallas Clark, by the way. In warm-ups, me being comfortable enough, right before a game, going to Dallas, going, hey, Dallas, fucking look at this, bro. That was the cool part about that team, man. That team was so cool.

I wish I could have been a part of it longer, and I wish I would have known while I was in it how much I would learn from being there. I wish I would have, in the moment, known, hey, what I'm learning from these humans, either by watching them or talking to them, I'm going to carry with me for literally the rest of my life and i'm very thankful for you for that because you were one of the most welcoming guys i've ever encountered well you made it easy pat i mean you you obviously you

know it's the one thing i either fit in or you don't and how you fit in is one it better mean it better be a lot to you you know this big job right big responsibility and it better be important to you better want to compete you want to win you know so you have those check marks obviously and and then you got to prove it and then you got to back it up and and if you do all that then then you're in you know and we all have to go through those kind of trial and error and you know that's that's kind of the beauty of the game and the ugliness of the game at the same time that's why it's three you know three year average and you know so it's not for everyone and uh dallas they don't they don't talk about that anymore like a team's chemistry they think oh nowadays you talk about like this guy's this

fast he can do this he can jump this and i realized that after you guys left with the new like hey we're bringing in incredible humans but we're not thinking about whether or not they and i've always said this because of the team in indianapolis and the team in west virginia i said the good teams i've been on have all liked each other like the good teams and the bad teams i've been on people don't like each other and that is not something that is talked about enough and building a team is like hey you got to have a team that's all in with each other and playing for each other as opposed to just alongside each other i think that is something doesn't get talked about anymore and it doesn't and i don't know if it't, and I don't know if it existed.

I mean, I don't know if guys are on team. I mean, that's what's the beauty of it. I mean, look at the group that we had that were able to be, you know, around each other. I was there nine years. Peyton was there for 16, you know, I mean, or 14, 15. I mean, it was just Saturday was there 12. I mean, it's just like have those big, big leaders,

big-time players around each other for that long, and then you just mix in with, you know, all these other younger guys and obviously Pullian drafted well, so these guys, you know, stayed their whole contract and maybe got a second contract. And so, I mean, it's just to be able to do that. I don't know if the game allows that anymore. i don't know if gms care about that anymore you know i think they're just looking for the next greatest thing you know the next shiny toy but it's one of those things that we were able to have you know so not only were we able to win but i think that the the big reason

why we won is you're right i mean we had each other's back and i mean i mean we just we were friends off the field like we you know and know, and, and so it just, it mattered and it wasn't just football, but it was, you know, and I think it started with Dungy, you know, coach Dungy talked about that and, and, and, and both Polian has talked about that numerous times, how they look for guys that were going to fit into the locker room and not necessarily the fastest, the strongest, the biggest, you know,

it's just like they had to have that, you know, I don't know what it is. Ask him, you know. But there was something that they looked for, and it meshed. Because, dude, we had guys from all over the place. All over the place. All over. But, man, when you're in that locker room, dude,

like I'd take a bullet for every one of them. I mean, just great dudes. Dallas, I could talk to you forever, by the way. You're awesome. Ty Schmidt from Iowa, though. Hawkeye is pumped to talk to you. Ty Schmidt, by the way, big fan of yours, Dallas. Big fan.

Hey, Ty, what's up, big dog? Not a whole lot. Dallas, I was curious, were you always going to move back to Iowa after you retired? And if you were, like, why is it so alluring? Because it seems like a lot of guys who go to Iowa, like when they're done playing in the league, they do end up moving back home.

Yeah, well, someone has to keep the lights on. I mean, if we leave, I mean, you know, there's only like 10 people in this state. If we don't come back, then the weeds get taken over. And, you know, it's just, you know, someone's got to harvest the corn. So, no, I tell you what taken over. And you know, it's just, you know, someone's got to harvest the corn. So no, I tell you what it is, you know, that's the best thing about being three lockers away from Reggie. And you know, and I still remember the first time I told him that we had to go 10 miles to go to the nearest grocery store and to go see them, you know, the nearest town that

had a movie theater. And, and he just, what, you had to go 10 miles to get a gallon of milk like what where are you like you know just like and now you want to move back to he's like what you are you know and it's just like either you get it or you don't right and and it's just kind of one of those things where you know i have nothing you know i think you know new york city i i could live there i would love living there. I'm kind of an enigma. I'm trying to be like you, Pat, but I can adapt. I love the big city, and I love looking out and just seeing a bunch of cornfields and just nothing but the beautiful harvest coming up.

It's just one of those things. I had a good feeling I was going to move back to Iowa. I didn't know move back to Iowa. I didn't know if hometown or Iowa City or somewhere. But I tell you, it's home. It is home. Indianapolis, though, I will tell you what, any Indy fans or Indianapolis Colts fans, shout out.

I mean, that's home. I mean, Pat, that was such a hard city because that, the people, the city, just everything. That was really, really, really hard to leave. I mean, we left. I mean, that was home. I mean, lived there for 11 years. And so just miss all the Indy crew and all that. But, yeah, home's home and family's family and had to get back.

Well, I've never left. So anytime you want to come back, you are more than welcome to stop by. You're a living legend. And I can't thank you enough for your friendship and also this incredible interview. You're the man, brother. Hey, hey, hey. Can you do me a favor? One quick favor?

Yeah. Can you give a shout out to Peyton Vogt? Yeah, absolutely. Can you just say hi to Peyton Vogt? And he's a buddy of mine that lives here. He's the ninth guy that lives here in the state.

I mean, dude, you have to come out. I don't know what you're doing September 12th, but you have to come out to my golf outing and come out and play. He's a huge, huge huge huge fan of yours and and he was just like hey you think you could ever you know forget peyton or any of that he was

like you think you get pat mcfee come out you know what pat's a crazy kid he he might actually just get on board with that. How about this, Dallas? You'd tell Peyton vote, and that's his name, Peyton vote, as in vote for an election? Yep, you got it. Hey, Peyton vote, listen, you're a handsome son of a bitch. I don't know you, but I do know that if you're from Iowa, you've got a couple good traits. You're a hard

working man, you like to have a good time, you're probably super competitive, and I can't wait to swing the sticks with you out there in the middle of Iowa, the cornfields, no cell phone service. You and me, Peyton, we're going to have the time of our life. I appreciate you. You're the man. Thank you. Yeah, let's make that happen, and hey, thanks for

having me, man. This was way overdue, but I tell you what, I just want to give you huge props. You're doing your thing, and you do a great job, and I love how you stir the pot. Oh, no. No.

Right? I mean, a little. Just a little. Maybe a little bit on Thursdays. You know, just to get along. Just to feel alive. Just to feel alive. You know what I mean?

Yeah, right? I don't know. I'm going to go to sleep today. I don't know. I'm going to fix it up. Tomorrow's going to be shirtless. I don't know. Oh, no. I don't know. I'm going to go to the sleeves today. I don't know. I'm going to fix it up. Tomorrow's going to be shirtless. I don't know. Oh, no, I can't.

You know that. You know I cannot. Yeah, you've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. But I tell you what, the arms are good, man. The arms are looking good. And it's just the hair. Obviously, you always had a great helmet hair.

Thank you. That's Lego hair. You just take that on and put it back. Every day. Every day. It's just beautiful. that's Lego hair. You just take that on and put it back. Every day. Every day. Same move. It's just beautiful. Ladies and gentlemen, living legend Dallas Corp.

Thank you. Have a great week, brother. Yeah, you too, man. I'll see you soon. Let's do it. Legend. The advantage when he rolled up his. Yeah.

By the way, in the weight room, he used to be a guy. Throw him around. Country stroke. Oh, yeah. He used to get after it. He and I, he used to be a guy. Throw him around. Country Stroh? Oh, yeah. He used to get after it. He and I, we had a very good relationship. Like you saw us, we warmed up next to each other. On planes, we literally sat and talked to each other.

I've been invited to his house numerous times. I've been to his house numerous times whenever he was living here and everything like that. We had a very good relationship. And we are literally, I mean, just two completely opposite human beings. But that's what football does, by the way, right? We've been talking about that this entire time. team was so so so tight and we had a uh there was one time where I thought about uh competing against him right and it was this

yeah we should call Ariel we'll talk to Ariel Hawani here in like momentarily there's this box it was like one two three four like four square and you had to jump one foot from the center to box one then box two then box three then box four and jump back four square. And you had to jump one foot from the center to box one, then box two, then box three, then box four, and jump back to the center. And you had to do it one footed. And I played soccer, so my feet pretty quick, you know? And Dallas was over there, and he was just crushing it, right?

And I think he beat Vinny or something at the time slot. So I look at him, I go, we betting on this or what? And he goes, oh, yeah. Right? So he goes, he goes, the strength coach does the entire time, like from center to one, center to two, center to three, center to center three center four and then get back whatever he does the whole thing and he has the time and he's like flexing you know like he there's like a little bit of a crowd at this point and i go and i'm 0.01 like second faster than him right oh my he didn't talk to me for like

he talked to me like two days i walked away i obviously did this entire this entire thing or whatever but everything else never ever beat him in anything the guy that was the only time i ever Two days, I walked away. I obviously did this entire thing or whatever, but everything else, never, ever beat him in anything. The guy, that was the only time I ever beat him in anything, and he legitimately got pissed off, like walked away, like see you later. I'm like, all right, that's the level of competitiveness I wish I had, Dallas, but didn't help you.01 second. We had a great relationship.

He's a good guy. You can tell. Legend. No gloves is always just the best thing to see. And he said, I've always thought about wearing gloves. And then it just kind of became something or whatever. He said, like, feeling the ball, which I can appreciate that. I wore one glove, by the way, because I liked feeling the ball whenever I dropped it,

because I didn't want to stick my hand in whenever I had to spin for the laces. But I did want the enhanced catching. Oh, yeah. Just in case. You can feel it enough. did want the enhanced catching oh yeah just in case i would like i would like a a a a like a sticky finger bandits thing which is basically which is what gloves are nowadays like that thing will do the catch and then i'll pry it off of there to punt the ball and i think dallas would have been the rules now with dallas oh and if you know what i mean he would have next i can't thank

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General Bobby Carpenter. Yeah! Woo! Let's get the box. Thank you, Patrick. I appreciate that. You know what? If I would have known, I would have gone sleeveless today. I apologize for being overdressed.

Well, I mean, AJ's got a long sleeve on. This has just kind of got to let the arms out, and the spray tan that I have is kind of falling off. Bobby, let's talk about you. You're a first-round draft pick to the Cowboys, an Ohio State legend, obviously. But now you have become the voice for upset Big Ten players, Big Ten coaches, Big Ten fans, Big Ten family, Big Ten alumni. And following along on Twitter has been a beautiful thing.

Where do you see the Big Ten football season standing? It's been postponed. It's potentially coming back. The president's involved now. The general of the Big Ten army, Bobby Carpenter, what are your thoughts on the standing of the Big Ten football season? You know, Pat, I feel a little bit like Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men. I mean, I'm just sitting there talking to Colonel Jessup, a.k.a. Kevin Warren,

saying I want to know the truth of what happened, why it happened, how it happened. What did you use as reference material? And so I think with the Nebraska parents filing that lawsuit and through discovery, then we were able to find out the fact that, hey, these were the presidents that voted yes, these were the presidents that voted no. And if you fall under one of the presidents that voted no and you like football, turn up the heat a little bit. And so I think that that has begun to happen a little bit. The president has gotten involved.

It shouldn't be a political matter. I mean, this is football for heaven's sakes. But if you look at maybe how politics play into it, the geographic footprint, there's a lot of swing states. I've done a lot of research here over the last hour and a half about the phone call and everything that happened. And because people were doubting if it really did occur. And I have on good source that it did occur. It did happen. And President Trump has basically offered the Big Ten presidents and Kevin Warren everything they need at his disposal to get this done. They have the saliva test. They have as many as they need. You tell me what you want, he said, and I will provide it for you. Bob, how do people turn up the heat if they want

to try to reach out and figure out how to get this thing going again? You know, it sounds cliche as possible, but if you live in one of those states, contact your congressman, contact your senator. And I've posted a number of times, as Pat has said here and alluded to, like, hey, email the presidents. Email the presidents. Call the presidents. There are 13 of the 14 are all public officials. And so with that, reach out to them and let them know your displeasure. General Bobby Carpenter here joining us.

This man is leading an army. The boys are saluting. Now, you did say you don't want politics involved. They should be involved. But then you said call your senator, which is very interesting. But they could set the rules, which could potentially open up the schools to play. Again, I assume that is. Now, aside from the presidents, it has been said that they thought they were going to be looked at as heroes

because they're deciding on safety and future health as opposed to just football. And then the backlash has been the complete opposite. Were they making that decision strictly from the individual guidelines of the states that the schools are in? Because Cincinnati is going to play in Ohio. Pitt and Temple are playing in Pennsylvania. I mean, Austin Peay and Central Arkansas were able to play. What were the decisions made for the 11 people that said no football? And why did the three, why was there only three that said yes, you think? Well, I think initially it was only two, Nebraska and Iowa,

and I think some of the political pressure was turned up. And when I said political, Pat, I don't think it should be partisan. The thing is that when you look at your senators and your representatives, I don't care if they're Republican, I don't care if they're Democrat, but they're elected. They have some accountability. And so you don't, the general population at large doesn't elect their presidents at the universities in their state. And so reach out to them because they can usually sway them a little bit based upon the information they have and resources that they can provide. And so that's what I was trying to do. And that's what I was trying to sit there and promote with everybody is to do that and you threw out Notre Dame's playing in the state of Indiana and so that's where it doesn't make any sense in the state of Ohio I'm coaching two of my kids little

league teams high school football played on Friday night you've got the Bearcats playing you have the Bengals and Browns playing but yet you don't have Ohio State playing and for one of the biggest economic drivers of Columbus and of the state, it is absolutely imperative that they play. Bob, what about Kevin Warren? Why do you think he jumped out so quickly and made that decision to shut it down when he could have at least prolonged it for a couple of weeks and try to do something? Well, and that's what's unbelievable to me is the fact that they chose to shut it down at that point in time. Why wouldn't you give it more time? Wait and see how it plays out.

You have all these students returning to campus. You think it's safe for them. So I don't understand why those presidents wouldn't have waited at all. I think Kevin Warren wanted to be seen kind of as a visionary. He thought he could get the other conferences on board. The Pac-12 was always in his pocket. But the reality is the SEC and the ACC were going to play, and then all of a sudden the Big 12 joined them

because they didn't want to be left out. And so then you have the majority of the conferences playing, and I think the Big 10 was standing there with egg on their face, and now they're trying to double back and figure out how they can save this. Do you think they're going to be able to double back and save this? Do you think that's really happening? Do you think the pressure from the Big 10 Army that you are the general of and the public pushback and now the president calling, saying, hey, whatever.

Do you think that's going to change anything or do you think they're set in thinking that what the decision they made is going to be viewed as right 10 years down the road? Well, I think the president was able to offer him an olive branch and try and also, you know, actually a life preserver as well and saying, if you want to double back, because now they've all been unmasked because they know, people know how they voted. And so if you're in Michigan and you're in Pennsylvania, you're upset that your president voted no. And so with that, he's going to say, listen, we can provide you all the instant saliva tests you need. I mean, I think the U.S. government purchased all of them that they could from Abbott. I don't think that there was enough left for everybody else.

So, hey, I'll provide them to you to help out with the resources. So this is something that is now available that wasn't at that point in time. So you guys don't have to be wrong. You just have more information now and more resources now. Bob, have we learned any, I guess, any explanation for why there was so much confusion with the, did they vote? Did they not vote? And now we find out it's 11 to three. Like why were they trying to,

to scuttle that? Well, because I don't think anybody wanted to be viewed as someone who shut down football in the big 10. And so when you think about it, especially if you're a Penn state, if you're at Michigan, if you're at Michigan state,

if you're at Wisconsin, some of these big branded teams, they wanted to try to pitch it as a consensus. Well, Nebraska blew that up when they said, we'll go play whoever. And so then they couldn't hide behind that anymore. And you heard the Minnesota president say, well, it really wasn't a vote. It was kind of a discussion because they didn't want to be unmasked. Nobody wanted to be accountable for their decisions, even though these people with bonuses are all making over $ 750 a year as public officials you have a degree of accountability and responsibility not only to your students

but to the state and you're going to sit here and hide and be pretend like oh we didn't really know what happened because you guys shouldn't find out what voted it drives people insane general bob carpenter leading the charge on the internet about upset fans basically picketing they were picketing the big 10 offices in chicago the lawsuit from nebraska you talked about earlier this whole thing and obviously we want to eliminate from the thought that covet 19 eliminate real world and we're talking strictly sports world the it came out that the presidents of the big 10 schools underestimated the amount of clout of athletics or something like that did you hear about that and how is that even possible if you're running a university that a lot of money from the boosters comes in strictly because of the athletics is this just ineptitude or is this

just a little bit of ignorance in the importance of sports in the world? You know, I like to consider myself a pretty self-aware. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. General Bob? Oh, yeah. Well, hey, you know, I mean, I try not to get in fights that I don't think I could win. I think I'm kind of a good-looking guy but not the most handsome guy in the world.

Smart. Like a decent athlete, not a great athlete. Like, don't ever overestimate your own skill set and your own importance. I think some of these presidents thought, hey, nobody will find out about this vote, so we'll never really be accountable for it. Everybody else will join our cause. All the other conferences will shut down. And then because of that, we won't look like the bad guys.

When in reality, if you think about it, Pat, you live up in this footprint. Look at the biggest stadiums in the country. Look at four of the ten that reside in the Big Ten. You've got Ohio State, you've got Nebraska, you've got Penn State, you've got Michigan. How in the world could you sit there and tell me that you didn't think that people in this area of the country thought football was important? They packed those things out. They paid tons of money. The Big Ten has the best TV deal because the most people watch. That is the most unaware thing I've ever heard in my life. And believe me, if that's the logic they're using,

they're either living in an echo chamber that they only want to hear or I don't know what type of degree they had that allowed them to graduate with a PhD. Oh, General Bob saying it's a fake degree. The borders!

Hey Bob, if you could be in the room. Okay, at some point, you are going to come face-to-face with Kevin Warren, the commissioner of the Big Ten. Oh, yeah, he has heard you. He has heard you. Oh, yeah, I think you may get a meeting soon with the groundswell of support that you have going. What's the first thing, what's your first question

you're going to ask the guy? First question I'm going to ask him, because he didn't have a vote. He's the commissioner. And from what I had kind of heard and gathered, there's the three schools, Ohio State, but especially Nebraska and Iowa, they're driving. There was a handful of schools, let's say Rutgers, Maryland, that they knew they're not playing for anything anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

So they're trying to pull people that way. There's about three or four of those schools. The schools in the middle, how did you pitch it? And did you talk about the potential good side of college football and all the benefits and all the financial implications of it and what it could mean for your players? Or did you just sit there and pitch, you know, the uncertainty and all the risk and everything? And why did you not? When all 14 of your athletic directors unanimously told you they wanted to play in the fall, why did you not recommend that and tell them you wanted to play in the spring you went full benedict arnold on your ads and did not represent their best interest well you mentioned the red line that you put out

on his statement that was one of our favorite things that ever hit the internet was you red lining his statement and pointing out a little bit of hypocrisy in some statements, that thing I think is really when your army started to form. I think whenever they saw that General Bob was willing to take time to redline an official statement, I think that's when the army really jumped on board with General Bob. Well, you know, you can sit here and 240 characters on Twitter bang out this and that. I'm like, you know what, they put this statement out here

and there are direct, direct contradictions that presidents said, that ADs said, that he had said. He's referencing the global pandemic. Dude, how does what's going on in Australia or anywhere else in the world impact what's happening in the Big Ten footprint? And so, you know what, I'm like, this will be easy for everybody to understand. Pull out the red line, get it in Adobe, sit there and bang it out. I mean, I don't know if you know this, Pat, not not only am i a general but i also teach a couple business classes over

to ohio no fake degrees i got an mba from here and an undergrad so i teach a little bit so might as well put that to good use in the realm of athletics as well as academics jeez bob i didn't know you were i didn't know you had a master's over there. I didn't know you were a polished businessman, the acumen. I mean, I saw the red line. I should have known that there was some deep history behind that thing. Ty, you got something for General Bob?

By the way, this is one of your strongest soldiers here, General Bob, Iowa grad here. He was accepted to Harvard, chose Iowa because he likes to party. How do you feel, Todd? Go Hawks. Yeah, like, Bob, moving forward at this point, I mean, I know like we've – a new tweet just came out today that said there's a good chance the Big Ten is going to come back now in the fall.

Have you heard anything like that, or is that mostly bullshit at this point? No, I think that there's a good chance. I mean, the people that I talked with, I mean, it's squarely in the president's. Who? Who are your sources, General? I'm not going to unmask some of these people. No! I'll tell you this.

There are very reliable people that know about this stuff, and they were the ones that told me, like, there's a good shot now. I think there might even be some of these universities starting to practice now because they think there's that potential for this to come down this quickly. Because in reality, like, give the guys three weeks of a little bit of training camp and throw them back out there. They were already training all summer. They were already safe. The numbers were good. Let's go see if we can do this thing. And speaking of which, the University of Iowa, I've had people reach out to me. And this isn't just an Ohio State thing. There was a guy that reached out to me that was an Iowa grad saying, thank you for everything

you're doing on this. It's our general. General Bob! It's going to gut the athletic department if it doesn't happen. That's what other people do not realize. If there's no football, there's not going to be any men's soccer. You're cutting synchronized swimming. You are going to decimate some of these athletic departments, and nobody wants to see that happen.

Bob, what about basketball? Is basketball in jeopardy? Are they going to try to bubble these guys for college? What's going to happen? Well, here's the irony with basketball is the way football is set up, the people that are making money in football is the universities. And so it's in their best interest to play. Now, the NCAA, they canceled that tournament last year. That is the biggest driver of revenue for the NCAA institution, which also resides over there in Indianapolis. And so if they go two years without that,

there is real fear about the solvency of the NCAA and whether they have to fire bankruptcy. And all those guys in their ivory towers, Mark Emmert, they're making a million plus a year. They're going to be out of a job because that's their biggest revenue driver if you take that away. So I think the hypocrisy is really beginning to show itself, the lengths of which they're willing to go to try to get some of these things done once the finances get involved. General, the thought of the SEC, the ACC, and the Big 12

happening and the Big 10 not happening. Now, let's say that the Big 10 somehow doesn't play this fall, because you're basically alluding to the fact that it feels like they're going to play. So let's assume the opposite. Let's say they don't fall. Do you think that Austin Peay, Central Arkansas, every team in the SEC, every team in the ACC, every team in the Big 12, and the American Athletic Conference will have a recruiting head start

over these Big Ten teams? Because they could just say, hey, our conference, we care about football here. Not like the Big Ten. Big Ten doesn't care about football here. We care about football. I think there's real rippling effects in that avenue. Not just financially, but I think as the traditional powerhouse school,

I think that potentially gets changed in the narrative if Big Ten doesn't happen. Now, granted, we want everybody to be safe, but strictly from a football world, I feel like that's something that could truly happen. Hey, look at the big brain on Brad right there. I mean, that's some intelligent thought right there, Patrick. Like, if you think about it, it may not hurt Ohio State with some of all their guys. They're still going to get the top-end dudes. But everybody always says, put your money where your mouth is.

Don't talk about it. Be about it. And so it's easy to sit there and tell me you care and your conference loves football and you love football and you're willing to do everything and we want to get you here. But if you start talking about getting recruited about going potentially to Indiana or Cincinnati, and Cincinnati can sit there and tell you, you know what, we voted to play football. We went on. Indiana, not only did they not have a season, but their president voted no

when their governor had high school football going on. So tell me how much they really care about football over there. And those are real. That is real conversations that are going to be happening. It's not negative recruiting. It's just a statement of fact. It is, Bob. Last thing for me, you seem to be optimistic that the Big Ten might find a way to come

back and play this fall. What does it look like? When does it start? When does it end? Are they still able to do the playoffs? What happens? Well, if they're not doing the playoffs, then it's essentially just, you know, and to quote Paul Feinbaum, who I don't always agree with a ton of, but he said it's the XFL. And that's the truth. Like, if you're not playing for a national championship, then you're

just playing. It's just glorified spring ball. So they've got to get it done by mid-December. I think you can have a six, seven, eight game season. They can start that thing somewhere in mid-October, early October. You give the guys a couple weeks to ramp up. You play seven or eight games, six, seven games, and then you play a conference championship. I mean, that's really all you need because there are only two teams that are really in this.

Maybe you could throw Michigan in there too, but it's Ohio State, Penn State, potentially Wisconsin. There's like three or four teams that will have a shot to play for a national title, and those are the data points that really count. Nobody cares if Ohio State or Penn State or whoever beats Illinois or Rutgers 55-7. They care how they play against the elite team. So if you give me four really good games out of six or seven, I think they'll be fine. Well, Bob, I can't thank you enough for joining us. The hair looks incredible. How's the 6 a.m. schedule going? Is that a little bit early for you?

Is that a little bit of a kick in the sack? You know, AJ knows this. We've been waking up and working out together for years, so the early wake-up wasn't a big deal. But I do like to get the little pump going beforehand. Tough to get a workout in before 5. I usually just run a couple miles, and then I try to get a little lift after. So that's tough, Pat, because believe me, I wanted to rock the cutoffoff i just didn't know if it was going to be appropriate or if it would scare

anybody okay so you guys are just like this is this should just say buckeye meathead heroes is it this buckeye heroes yeah you're right there on your thing as well hold on all right right there we go is so you three were just meatheads huh just love the gym these three guys right here just love the gym, these three guys right here. Just love the gym. Let's get as much iron as we fucking can in our body. Hey, man, you know what it was about. Look at AJ.

You don't get to be that buff and get a wife as good looking as his. You've got to be self-aware and know what you've got. And so if you're only having it as getting big and strong, and you think that's going to be the thing that will appeal to the opposite sex the most, you've got to go all in, man. That's right. And that's about the only thing I'm getting to say. That's general Bob Marley.

That's my general. Ladies and gentlemen, all Big Ten stud, Buckeye hero, general of the Big Ten upset fan army, ladies and gentlemen, Bobby Carson. That's right. Thank you, Bob. Hey, thanks, Pat. I'd make a great ring guy for you if you ever need me, okay? I've got some little bit left right here.

A lot of people are saying AJ just sat back and watched me get punked and didn't do anything. Yeah, that's what people are saying. Ty's still saluting his general, by the way. I mean, that is just the way it goes. Thank you, Bob. Hey, thanks, Pat. Thanks, AJ. You guys have a great day

hey what a what a guy general bob wow awesome hey i did i did not know he had a master's in business bob general bob carpenter professor he's a professor now at this point he's a general leader of an army aj what an interesting linebacker room that had to be with you him and schlakes yeah it it was and i still see him and Schlage a lot, too. So, yeah, Bob's a smart dude. I mean, as you heard, he does his research. So he definitely had answers for any questions we had. The red line of that fucking statement is the best.

Pop it up on Adobe, put it out there. It's awesome. By the way, I would assume that he's potentially going to take a victory lap if Big Ten football comes back. Oh, yeah. I assume he is going to assume. Yeah, I think so. He might get a medal of honor.

Hey, he has really gone ham. I mean, all in on it. That's been his. I assume that's his morning show every day. He's just talking about how Kevin Warren is completely fucked this up. I assume that's his entire three hours every day. Because if the Sports Illustrated report is true at all, which they said that the Big Ten presidents thought immediately after their decision,

the ACC was going to cancel the next day, and then it would just be kind of like a domino effect. Did they not talk to anybody else? Did they not talk? They all have friends, I'm sure, in the ACC, like everywhere. Did they not communicate before? Like, hey, I think think we're gonna shut it down like you're gonna follow right well i think that was a conversation that was had and that's why they believe that but then notre dame uh allegedly calls the acc and says hey let's make something happen because we want

to play and then they're like oh maybe some future stuff for notre dame being in the acc maybe in the future and that kind of stopped their vote for canceling anything and now the ACC so then the Big Ten and the Pac-12 are kind of just left like kind of you know holding their pud there for a little bit and now we're in a situation where everybody else is playing the American Athletic Conference is playing these small schools are playing and now the Big Ten because they wanted to be the first people to vote on whether or not to happen they're just sitting there staring from the outside in and i would assume that he talked about it for the what the four of the top 10 stadiums or for the top five stadiums or biggest stadiums are in the big 10 or whatever that whenever you have that amount of people probably pissed off and by the way in the states that they're in a lot of these schools

there's a lot of people who have not really believed in the quarantine for a long time and i'm saying that because we live in one currently here in Indiana. And I think that is a general consensus shared here. You got some people probably furious with that. And Kevin Warren, I mean, I don't know how often you can be told to go fuck yourself. But at some point, you're going to have to listen, I guess. And even if the president's calling now, it's like, okay, now everybody knows that the whole world is calling us right now. I would assume they're going to have to give in just a little bit. In general, Bob saying that

now they have excuses too, like they have more resources and more information for them to turn around their answer. That's huge too because they don't want to look like they're people who make decisions and come back off it because then they question your leadership. I mean, there's a lot that goes into this and it's Big Ten football, baby. That's all that it is. Big Ten football.

Joining us now from the mixed martial arts world, ladies and gentlemen, ESPN's Ariel Helwani. Yeah! Ariel, I would like to let you know that when I was on the IG Live, I asked about Ariel Helwani

right in the middle of the thing. He called you a name and then we moved on to conversation. You said, I didn't have the gut sack to do such a thing. I am accepting apologies where's where's the proof it's all over the internet area oh you got blocked you couldn't see it oh where's the proof who's to say that you're not lying to me right now well the internet everybody

told you i mean you saw you saw them everybody every set You sent me some weird DM with all caps. I don't know what you wrote. You were like, did it or thank you or you're welcome. You're welcome. And I wrote back. Yeah. And I wrote back like four seconds later. You never wrote me back.

You're too busy jumping around wrestling rings and whatnot. I don't know what you're doing, but you could have at least told me what you were talking about. You knew what I was talking about. No. Okay. What did he say? What did he say then? I think we both called you an asshole or something. Wow. Yeah. I was talking about. No, I... Okay, what did he say? What did he say then? I think we both called you an asshole or something.

Wow. Yeah, I think he did. Well, one of you is lying, and it sure as heck ain't him. Oh, you're talking about me right now. I think we did. Did you get sent the video clip at all? Because I want to let you know,

while I was doing the IG Live, I didn't think I had enough internet service to connect to it, so I thought I already ruined a thing. So then I get into it a little bit late while he's waiting for it. We have a conversation, and I realize that Lil Wayne was the last one that did this, and I think The Rock did the one before, and I'm like, I am not supposed to be on this thing. So I'm never going to get invited back.

Might as well at least shove it to Ariel Awani in the middle. So what was the question? How annoying is that guy? Like, how did you set it up? It was talking about how old buddy was going to get a uh steepay was going to get a championship fight regardless of what happens in this fight i said i was listening to asshole area hawani earlier or something like that and he said he said that steepay is probably even if he loses we'll get a chance to fight for the title next fight anyways is that something you say and he said that i'm a very smart man

and thing and he said he agreed that you were an asshole and then we just kind of moved on with the conversation but it did happen and i felt very very good about it well kudos to you and in all seriousness as i said to you yesterday i do have to give you a lot of props i know we like to bust chops here but what you did in that wrestling ring my man honestly nothing short of amazing i've been watching pro wrestling for a very long time I believe 1986 to be exact is when I first was introduced to it that was the greatest debut by a celebrity slash

athlete in the history of the pro wrestling business as Triple H likes to say hell yeah hell yeah I mean there's others that I've enjoyed obviously no one was as good as you honestly i i know you didn't get to do it for the big brand they put you on like the smaller brand

it makes sense considering you're a small brand but oh let's talk about said small brand i appreciate that compliment and then immediate backhand but the uh dc announced on my show that he was going to retire after this fight then you guys made it feel as if it was on your show he is officially retiring how do you feel daniel cormier feels about what happened in his fight against deep bay and obviously going forward i think he's at peace with it i think he would have obviously liked to go out on top it was the perfect scenario it was the kind of scenario that every athlete let alone fighter dreams of you win a championship in your final fight or your final game um and i know he took it very hard but i think the fact that this time around the fact that he has other options that he's got a tv career

that he's got so many other opportunities i think softens the blow a little bit for him is my connection bad it froze in a compromising face of yours, and it would be a real shame if people clipped that. It would be a real shame if that. I mean, it's not your fault. Is it still frozen? No, no, you're good. You're good.

But, boy, it was like a very bad time. I mean, it was. And, by the way, Foxy did you no favors. I didn't have the package ready. He left it just sitting up there for at least three to four seconds, and that's tough. But I'm happy cormier is happy he is so good on the microphone and your show with him is some like i learn a lot obviously from your show because i don't you watch it i watch the clips not the whole thing i ain't got time i jeff benedict talked for 75 hours earlier i don't have time to do things for long i only got i only you know quick purse here and

i'm gonna keep moving add how you doing keep it moving the the out of your twitter yesterday though every about once every other week your twitter uh account becomes relevant right i think that's probably yeah yeah it's no jet passing or anything like that but you know i try yeah jet jets had a hot run here with the controversies around baseball but yesterday you went big because street jesus jorge masvidal and nate diaz which would be their second fight is being talked about happening you broke that news saying it's probably going to happen in january now more news has come out that that's for the baddest motherfucker on earth title again which was allegedly a one-off what are you hearing about this is this definitely going to happen and i'm so thankful that that

title is going to be something that is going to be up for grabs. Well, I love the fact that you actually said the entire BMF name because no one ever says that. We're not allowed to say it, obviously, on the Disney channel. So it felt refreshing to hear it actually. I respect the brand. That's why Dana White likes me. You know what I mean? Right. Exactly.

And knows I exist because I respect the brand. 100%. 100%. Unlike you. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. So they reached out to both of them on Tuesday afternoon. Talks, I would categorize them as early stages.

You know, with both of those guys, there are negotiations. It's not like, hey, Nathan Diaz, are you in for January 2nd? Yes, I'm in. Send me the bout agreement. There's a process here. It's a little different with those two in particular. So another outlet, TMZ, came out with a report that it would be the same night as the Usman Burns fight on December 12th.

That's not going to happen. There's a better chance of you getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Pat, than those guys being the co-main event of Usman Burns. I'm a little aggressive here. I don't think you needed it. Exactly. That's the point. Just go on with your point.

They're not going to be the co-main event to those guys, so they're going to do them in January, and I think there's a good chance of it happening because Masvidal said that if he doesn't get a chance to fight for the belt, the only other fight that interests him is Diaz, and Diaz has said, I'm more interested in this fight than the Conor McGregor trilogy fight. So they both want it to happen.

Now, also I'm told they haven't even talked about the BMF title. But I'm told that Masvidal, regardless of what happens, and I think that ultimately it will be on the line, he's bringing it to that fight because he appreciates the fact that Diaz created the belt and said, I want to defend it against you. So he's going to return the favor if and when they fight in early January. Do you think it's because of Disney that that is not a prominent piece? Because I think that's like...

No. No, you don't think that. The baddest motherfucker... You're trying to get me in trouble with my own employer here. Why would you ask such a question? Is it because of Disney? They just did it for the BMF title back in November. Why would they not do it again? Yeah, but then it kind of disappeared. It almost like it ruffled some feathers. We're like, hey, we can't have the baddest motherfucker title on. I mean, Halle Berry said it. Why won't you say it oh um i mean no one asked me

to say it i say it say it right now say it say it say it say it say it uh uh okay well i think it's frozen again wi-fi got it okay it's wi-fi from basement there the the um we're in a big studio by the way you're in a tiny little room the um the uh the brock lesnar thing is very very interesting at this point okay brock lesnar announces a free agent you froze again that time you were smiling though so it was at least a good one i mean brock lesnar news became viral, obviously, because he was a WWE free agent in the wrestling world. There's a competition now. So nobody knew what was going to happen. But immediately upon realizing that Brock Lesnar is not only a free agent from WWE, everybody realized, oh, he's a free agent from everything. Like right now, Brock Lesnar has no contracts tying him to fight anywhere, wrestle anywhere, do anything.

So obviously, people started spinning narratives here. Johnny Bones Jones said, I'll beat your ass Brock in an attempt to maybe get them on a card. Coker has come out and said, Fedor, Brock is a fight that has never happened. What are you hearing on that front? And is Brock going to get back into the octagon, what you're hearing, or is this all just rumors? You're not 100% sure.

First of all, I'm always sure of everything. So get that through your little head i mean they call me the nose for a reason because i know it's everything you know what i'm saying not just because of my big nose now um this happens every year or two right when it comes to brock lester he might be the greatest businessman in the history of combat sports um because he he always quote unquote fights out his contract right And then he becomes a free agent. And then he uses the UFC as leverage. And then more often than not these days, he'll go back to WWE and get a huge deal.

Well, something really interesting happened yesterday. Your friend Dana White was asked a question at a press conference about Brock Lesnar fighting Jon Jones. And what he said to me told me that there is some smoke to this fire. He said, if they both want it, I'll do it. Now, he didn't say, old news, the ship has sailed. I'm not interested. He's 43. He's too old. No, he said, if they both want, I'll do it. That leads me to believe that he wants it. And that leads me to believe that some things are happening right here. Now, obviously, he's 43. He hasn't fought in four years. He told us last year that he doesn't like to get punched in the face anymore. He doesn't want to do training camps.

He gets treated like a star in WWE. Why would I go through this? So maybe things have changed. Ultimately, I think he probably goes back to WWE. But I think there's something real here. I think there's an actual legitimate story. And by the way, Jon Jones is moving up to heavyweight. I don't think he should fight anyone until he fights for the heavyweight title.

Because he could slip on a banana peel. He could get knocked out. It's wasting a lot of money if you put him in there against like a curtis blades or a derrick lewis except for brock lesnar brock lesnar is available you make that fight it's a freak show fight it's a fun fight it's the biggest fight for john outside of the heavyweight title and oh by the way it's the easiest fight for john as well because i think he would beat brock lesnar rather convincingly so you call brock lesnar a freak show then you say that you think john jones would be able to beat him easily. I mean, I hope Brock Lesnar's listening

and shows up in your basement over there and just breaks you in half. You're talking about the alpha human, Ariel. Brock Lesnar doesn't like me. He pretends every time someone's asking him about me that I don't exist. So I'm not too worried about what he thinks of me. What do you do?

I know deep down. Why does everybody hate you? Dana acts like you don't exist. Brock acts like you don't exist. So I'm not too worried about what you think of me. I know deep down. Why does everybody hate you? Dana acts like you don't exist. Brock acts like you don't exist. You cover the sport that these two are potentially two of the biggest names in. Why does that happen, Ariel? What do you do? Is it you, you think, at some point?

No, I think it's just because I'm really good at my job. Oh, yeah, because other professions where people are really good at their job, the people they're covering just fucking despise them. That's normal. Well, as you Well, with all due respect, I cover and I say this in the most complimentary way, so I

hope you, whoever clips off your little clips and put this on Twitter and tags everyone to try to get me in trouble, I hope you recognize that I'm saying this in a complimentary way. I cover a circus. And when you cover the circus, sometimes the carnival barkers get upset when you talk about what they're doing. That's all. This dude is outrageous. By the way, we have the clip of me and Dana White talking about you.

Because you act just like Brock Lesnar acts when he hears your name like you didn't see this please run it Zito I know I heard him speaking earlier today Ariel Helwani uh Stipe will be fighting for the championship next fight is what he said and I don't know if that's accurate or not he's an asshole but that's what he said Stipe gets a belt back potentially at the next fight anyways well you, you're right about a lot of things. He is an asshole. You know, I can see this going to a decision. They're both in great shape. That's it right there.

That's great. Where's your shirt, by the way? What's going on with your no shirt situation? Okay, so interesting dynamic here. I was told that it was going to be at one time. Okay? Then it got moved up a half hour. And I was in the middle of my stairmaster

climb you know because at that particular point i was in training for my fight against adam cole baby so i just had to go shirtless with that thing and by the way my driveway is the only place that has enough service for me to connect to ig live so it was kind of a mad panic i i didn't know why i was invited to be on there i was thankful obviously dana put me on there but i just i i had to make it happen as quickly as possible so i didn't miss the opportunity and by the way almost did almost threw up mom's spaghetti all over the thing yeah well guess what i'll never leave you hanging i'll never be late to any of your you know appearances or he was early request he was early he was so excited he was early yeah oh all right well i'll never leave you hanging i just wanted to say that very nice of you uh i can't

thank you enough for joining us do you so you think brock goes to wwe john jones fights for a title nate diaz jorge masvidal fight for the bmf title in january is there anything else to talk about in your world don't you have a guy there who works with you now who knows a lot about broadcast i'd rather he would he has to say what michael has to say oh mr mansuri yeah mr mansuri knows a lot about brock lesnar and he knows a lot about the unar. I'd rather he would. He has to say what Michael has to say. Oh, Mr. Mansoury? Yeah, Mr. Mansoury knows a lot about Brock Lesnar, and he knows a lot about the UFC world as well. Probably, to be honest, he could probably take your job if he wanted to. Oh, yeah. Easy. Just like that if he wanted to.

And people would like him probably more than me, right? Oh, yeah. He has a percent. From what we've learned about you and people hating you, which, by the way, we don't. We don't. We don't hate you at all. From what it sounds like is there is a collection of humans who do not. Think you're an asshat. which, by the way, we don't. We all don't. We don't hate you at all. From what it sounds like is there is a collection of humans who think you're an asshat.

Not us. People say you're a potentially worst person on Earth. Here's Mansoury, by the way. I can't necessarily hear Ariel back, but I would say you hit it right on the head. Brock will wind up back with WWE. He's just a smart businessman. There's nobody out there in any form of entertainment

that's got a mind like he does. And he's currently locked in Canada, right? He's not even allowed to leave Canada. Yeah, he's up on the farm, man. Brock's just hunting, fishing, farming, and maybe drinking a couple of Coors Lights because Bud Light won't give him any money. That was sad.

Did you guys, whenever Brock went over to UFC, did you expect him to be as successful? I feel like the Fight Purist didn't give him much credit and now i was a big wrestling fan i was like yeah brock was just gonna go in and kill a guy that's what he's gonna do and everybody's like no this is a whole different ball game he's gonna hit and then he did by the way and he has hands the size of this afl ball and they were just raining he was doing l but like six inch punches to a guy's face and it looked like the most like did you guys expect him to be as good as he is and you said he's 43 do you would you expect him to still be because i think he's just a different species of human like i think he's just a different species of human uh i don't

think he'll be as good i did expect him to be really good he was a freak athlete remember national champion university of minnesota tried out for the vikings and got cut on the last day and had no prior football you know experience so he's freak athlete, no doubt about it. That guy, by the way, that he was hammer fisting like that, that was Frank Mir, who's a former UFC heavyweight champion. So he wasn't like some jabroni scrub. But now at 43, and by the way, the times are different. There's USADA, drug testing.

I'm just saying the times are different. I'm just saying the times are different. I'm just saying. I'm just saying the times are different. That's all. Turns out we got to end this conversation. Poor connection. Poor connection. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show, host of Ariel Helwani's MMA show, DC and Helwani,

who, by the way, his co-host did break news on our show, not their show. Ladies and gentlemen, Ariel Helwani. Thank you, Ariel. There it is. Thanks for the compliments in there that you sent, you know, kind of in between jabs and right hooks. I appreciate it, Ariel. Really nice guy.

Thanks, guys. Yeah. He's awesome. He is. Yeah. I would assume that he tries to trade barbs with people and they do not like it. Some people can't handle it. And that is why people hate him. Can't even say the BMF name here. I know. Well, they can't say it on ESPN because of not ESPN's rules.

Because, by the way, ESPN bent the rules for The Last Dance. That's right. They did. And by the way, I thought that was potentially going to be a thing moving forward. Well, they did it for

the Lance Armstrong dog, too. Is ESPN potentially coming back into the... Hey, we got to compete against these people on the internet. They're allowed to say whatever the fuck they want. Is there any chance we could potentially dial back these goddamn roosters a little bit?

That's what Disney's saying. And the FCC's like, have you heard what we do to radio? They can't even say take a leak. All right, that's the show. We'll be back, Mignogna. I told you we had a hell of a lineup today. Great conversation, big announcement. Can't wait to be back on Sirius.

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