The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 245 - It's A Dadgum Feel Good Friday. Phil Rivers, Lane Kiffin, Terrell Davis, & Legend, AJ Hawk, Stop By. Let's Go.

Episode Date: September 4, 2020

Today's show is anchored by a couple of great guests. First, on another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk, Pat and AJ welcome 8x Pro Bowler, San Diego Chargers 50th Anniversary Team Member, a man currently ranked 6th all-time in passing yards and touchdowns, the Quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts, Philip Rivers. Pat, AJ, and Phil discuss his time in San Diego/LA, when he thought it might be time to move on, if there was ever serious consideration to him retiring, why the Colts seemed like the perfect fit, how hard it is to adjust to a new locker room after being in San Diego/LA for 16 years, his plans for after football, and how excited he is to get the season started (:20-25:00). Plus Pat and AJ break down Leonard Fournette signing with the Bucs, their thoughts on the Alvin Kamara situation, Kirk Cousins saying if he dies he dies (from the coronavirus), and everything else in the NFL as we close in on the start of the 2020 season (:20-55:56). Next, former Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders, Tennessee Volunteers, USC Trojans, Florida Atlantic Panthers, and current HC of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin joins the program. Pat and Lane chat about what he's been doing to prepare his time during covid, if there was ever a thought the the SEC wouldn't play games, why he likens his time at Alabama like going to rehab, if he ever considered going back to the NFL, and how much he has to give up in terms of calling plays and trying to control things being a Head Coach as opposed to a coordinator (56:00-1:18:16). To close out the show, 2x Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, NFL MVP, 3x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, member of the 1990's All-Decade Team and Denver Broncos Ring of Fame, friend of the program, Terrell Davis stops by. Pat and Terrell chat about the Leonard Fournette situation, the current running back market and why it's a tough time to be wanting a contract extension as a RB in the NFL, his thoughts on the season as we get closer to kickoff, his thoughts on the Broncos and why he thinks Drew Lock is going to take them to the next level, and what his plans are for the upcoming NFL season (1:18:18-1:41:40). We can't thank you enough for listening and letting us penetrate your eyes every week. Have the greatest weekend ever. Come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello friday september 4th football nfl football is less than a week away let's have a feel-good friday baby great show a lot of good conversations if you enjoy the show by the end of it go ahead and tell the friend about it if you don't just act like it never happened let's get to it let's have a day i have a uh from a note before the interview starts from our research department that AJ does, in fact, have an interception against Phil. Really? It was in college. In college, yeah.

Wow. NC State played Ohio State? I didn't know that happened. My sophomore year, Phil's senior year. Yeah, we went to triple overtime, and we barely won. Phil was up for the Heisman that year, yeah. Well, Phil Rivers is an absolute stud. Is he?

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, eight time pro bowler, number six, all time in pass yards and TDs in NFL history. A man who's a legend. Dadgum Phillip Rivers. Let's go. Let's go, Phil. Hey, I love the throwing the dad dad gum in there to kick it off. That's what I'm talking about.

And I caught a glimpse of the tail end of that story. Yeah, EJ did have a pick that game. That was one of the all-time. I mean, that's still probably one of the best games I've ever been in. It was unbelievable in the shoe that afternoon. Now, Phillip, you are known everybody that talks about i got a chance to talk to wedo a little bit about you and i believe um uh there's somebody else that showed up in the dms talk about you a little bit in the common narrative is hey

this guy loves football like absolutely loves football did you you've already signed on to be a high school football coach whenever you retire it was alleged that whenever you came and played the colts one time the night before the game you went over to lucas oil stadium to see what high school football in indiana was like is football is just your lifeline huh it always has been i assume yeah i uh i've loved the game from an early age obviously dad being a high school coach and i was a ball boy and water boy uh as soon as i was uh big enough to carry the water bottles and spot the ball so i've been around it since I was little. But, yeah, I love the game.

We did. We did mosey over there to Lucas Oil and watch the little high school game and grab a hot dog, I think, there on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon when we were in town. So anytime there's a ball on, it drives my wife crazy sometimes because she'll go, who's playing? You know, obviously it's a little different this year, but it doesn't matter who's on the tv there's a ball game on uh i like to check it out i respect it phil was there i know you're you're set up to

become a high school coach in alabama whenever that time comes if you have you thought about any of your current or former teammates that you want to recruit to try to bring on your staff smart hey it's it's funny you say that because I've even had some coaches mention, hey, by the time you get done, I'll be ready to get out of the league. I said, hey, I'll need your resume and have to do a thorough interview. But the guy that keeps mentioning to me is Jarrett Johnson. We all remember Jarrett, obviously Baltimore Raven, and a teammate of mine in San Diego.

And he lives actually down there in northwest Florida. So I've been – I got my eye on him. He keeps saying I'll come over there and run the defense. But they all know, all the guys that know me, the hard part for me is going to be not trying to call the defense, the offense, and the special effects. I would be one of those head coaches that drive a D coordinator crazy, trying to, you know, tell him what to call and what blitz to run. So I'm going to have to work on that.

Whenever you're going to give duties to other people, it's kind of a tough thing to do. I want to talk about you and your energy for football. I've talked to a lot of people in the building, not just players, but you're talking about athletic trainers, equipment managers, people in the front office even, and everybody says, we love like hey we love phil super competitive everybody likes him every single day he shows up and wants to be better did you expect to fall into a situation like the indianapolis colts where it's so perfect you're you know frank reich very well you know the offensive coordinator

very well you know the system very well great offensive offensive line. Good weapons. Good franchise. Like, did you expect the Colts to be a place that you were going to land whenever you knew that the Chargers days were probably ending? You know, I wasn't sure. But having, you know, if I was going to leave and go somewhere else, I couldn't think of a better place. It's one of the things you have. It was certainly a team I was pulling for.

You know, I was hoping, like, shoot, hopefully this is a place that can work out. And for all the reason you mentioned, and I heard nothing but unbelievable things about this locker room and this team, and that's certainly been true. And it was interesting with not having – not meeting some of the guys in person. A handful of us got together and got some work done in the summer, but not actually stepping foot in a locker room until July 28th or whatever it was was – you know, you're a little uneasy about it,

especially when I'd been in a place for 16 years and been around the same guys. You mentioned the support staff from the trainers to the equipment room. There's just a certain familiarity that you have and you communicate and interact with those guys. So I was a little bit like, gosh, you know, you didn't want to try to force yourself to be some certain way. You just had to be yourself and kind of ease into it.

And I can't say – I mean, I'm just very thankful really for how it's gone and the month we've had and how we've come together and grown and still had built some of that camaraderie. Because you mentioned, I only know one way, and it's that country, corny, energetic passion. No! I mean, that's the only way I know. And so I said, shoot, here we go.

You got to be yourself here at 38 in a new place. And that's the only way I know. And thankfully, I think it's been well-received. And I've certainly enjoyed getting to know the teammates here. You moved your whole family to Florida, which a lot of old white people do whenever they want to retire. Was there ever a thought of retirement? Or did you know you were going to come back and play?

Because there was a lot of question marks in the media world. Nobody knew what was going to happen when you left the Chargers. It was like, what's Phil going to do? He moved to Florida. They're watching where you're moving to. Then the high school football thing happened. It's like, was there ever a thought of retirement or that Super Bowl? We are going to continue to try to get this thing. Yeah, I don't think there was ever a real thought of it. I did just feel deep down that my time out West was done, and that was okay. But so we moved there kind of just as kind of our holding place. I still – I mean, me and my wife and older daughters talked about –

I mean, we kind of talked about the whole thing, like what's the plan. But I think it was unanimous. We thought keep playing if, in fact, somebody wants you and it's a team that's got a chance, let's keep going. So, and if it came to that that wasn't the case and the cupboard was dry and it was over, I was okay with that. But certainly still excited to keep playing. And I remember when the coaching announcement, it's kind of been in the works for the last couple years as far as I knew where we were going to end up one day. But the way it kind of went down, I remember calling and talking to Frank and Chris both to make sure they were good with it.

I was like, hey, is this going to look all right? You know, all of a sudden I'm getting – I just signed to come play quarterback. I'm getting named the head coach at a high school. So they were good with it. You know, it's funny because Frank said, hey, you've told me you're going to do that since 2013. So it was more so – it was the best timing for the program moving forward. And, you know, it was no secret I've always wanted to coach high school ball, but it'll be there whenever the time's right.

Phil, who's the poor guy that's the head coach now just waiting for you to come take his kid? Well, so the guy that was the head coach there had been a longtime head coach in Alabama and actually won some state championships at different places and really deserves a ton of credit for getting this program started. It was a brand-new program. Last year was the first year of varsity football. So it's a brand-new school early on in the stages of the football program. So he decided it was time for him to step down.

I think he's still involved. And so it was one of those deals. I was talking with AD, and it was, hey, if there's a young coach in Alabama that you want to go get, go get it. And, you know, by no means, don't feel like you, you owe me anything. Uh, but they were, they were, they were all in on having me be a part of it. So the AD is, uh, the head coach, uh, in the interim. And then until I get down there, I can't wait for those calls after the year. Like if it would say you go on and win at all, obviously the guys can be like, I'm about sick of being head coach.

Maybe you're coming along. We got to run it back, dadgummit. Phil, the thing you talked about Frank Reich 2013. I mean, that's seven years ago. You're 16 years with the Chargers. You don't normally see franchise superstar quarterback just kind of end relationship. They move on, you move on on and there hasn't been as

much conversation about it but for me it was a very weird situation because the team moved cities there was the story that you didn't move your family you were driving back and forth in like a a pimped out sprinter van or whatever the pictures made the thing you just kind of knew that your time was coming up there like what was the indication that it was like you know what this is probably uh for both for the both of us kind of just time to move forward yeah i definitely think uh you know i was appreciative of the way it was handled uh as far as it didn't turn into this yeah you know a big deal in terms of you know back and forth and not on the same page i think really it was going into the last season um you know I played the last year out of my contract,

which we were coming off a 2018 season where we had an unbelievable year, obviously get beat in New England. So if there was a time to extend, it would have been there. But, again, I can say that was mutual as well. There was some talk about maybe adding a couple years, and then there was, well, we don't have to. And I said, shoot, I'm fine. Let's just play it out and see where we all stand.

And so we did that, and it wasn't have to. And I said, shoot, I'm fine. Let's just play it out and see where we all stand. And so we did that. And it wasn't the best of years, to say the least. You know, obviously it was a rough season. I certainly didn't have my best year by any means. And I just felt like it was time. You know, you just felt a little bit of a feel in the building that maybe they wanted to move on, but certainly didn't want it to end messy. And I was kind of like, well, shoot, guys, I think it's time to.

You know, as hard as it is, and I hate that I wasn't able to lead that franchise to a championship, but it just felt like it was time. And both sides kind of agreed to that. And then here I sit over in 56th Street in Indianapolis right now. So what's it feel like now that we're so close? I know the boys and Pat are very excited. I mean, NFL football is about to happen. Paul, seven days, Phil.

Seven days. Let's go. Come on, Phil. I can't watch high school football, but NFL football is back seven days. I'm sorry. Yeah, what's it feel like that it's actually here? Like for me, it almost just as a fan now, it feels weird. Wow, we're right around the corner, man. They're going to be playing some NFL football is back seven days. I'm sorry. Yeah, what's it feel like that it's actually here? Like for me, it almost just as a fan now, it feels weird. Wow, we're right around the corner, man.

They're going to be playing some NFL football. Dude, it's here. It is here. There's a little different vibe in the building even these last couple days. I think you just feel game week. Game week is right around the corner. You know, AJ, it's a different feel when it's game week than it is a day 26 of training camp. It feels different when, you know, game week's right around the corner.

So, you know, it's interesting. We were just talking with a couple guys. It is weird, though, in the fact that usually you have those preseason games, not only for young guys and for a lot of us to kind of, you know, get going and get back a feel of what game feels like and for young guys to obviously get those reps. You also get to have a little, I kind of call them team bonding experiences. You know, you get to put on that same uniform.

You've been going to each other all training camp. You actually get to go out there and suit up and pull for your guys. You know, so we haven't gotten to do that. It's been all combative. It's been all O versus D now for the whole month. So the first time we take the field together in the exact same color will be Sunday in Jacksonville. So the guy, it will be, I know it won't be a packed house in the stadium, but I don't think there's going to be any lack of juice from, from this group. We'll be fired up and ready

to go. And I just can't wait for it to get here and shoot. The guys are, the guys are pumped. We get a couple of days now to kind of, to kind of rest, you know, that weekend before the opening weekend is always nice. You've had a long training camp. You get to spend some time with family and relax a little bit and then shoot come Wednesday. It'll be a game week schedule, which we kind of simulated this week. Frank put that together this week. So we'll be ready to roll come Wednesday.

COVID-19 isn't the reason I won't be at Packed House down there in Jacksonville. They are. I mean, I'm pumped for you to go out and put on a show, Phil. You didn't say it. I did. Whenever you played with the Chargers, you had one of the most underappreciated and underrespected wide receivers out there in Keenan Allen. Nobody ever talks about Keenan Allen.

Now, you're getting a chance, I think, to learn about T.Y. Hilton. T.Y. Hilton is a guy that I was very lucky to see him come in and see him grow and blossom into the Pro Bowl player, but he's very's very under appreciated league-wide for whatever reason in the last couple years he's been our only focal point so he had double coverages in a lot of situations now you got Pittman in there as well what does he look like and what are your thoughts on T.Y. and getting a chance to build with T.Y.'s relationship T.Y.'s been awesome you know I got to be around him a

little bit the Pro Bowl a couple times but you never really know until you're with a guy every day, you know, on the practice field, interacting in the locker room, and, you know, just shoot chatting it up. You know, so it's been – here's the thing for me that stands out. He's a great player. The dude loves to compete. I mean, he loves to compete all the time. He's competing.

And, you know, there's something about great players that usually they all have that makeup and that mentality. So he has that first. And then you throw in the fact that he's a heck of a player, unbelievable ball skills, can still stretch it vertical. And then, you know, usually, you know, guys that are speed guys, you know, and not that I'm classifying him as a speed guy. He does have great speed.

But they don't always have great feel. And then, you know, I said this the other day, the best receivers, find him a speed guy he does have great speed but you they don't always have great feel and then you know i said this the other day the best receivers you mentioned keenan but and and the others that i've had and been around um they all have great feel they know where the windows are they know when to throttle a route they know when a back shoulder is coming they know all those things and so that's been something that he has that so the timing and the understanding the the little nuances of routes have been very – they've come very quickly.

So it's one of those deals where we've had throughout the camp where we make a play here and there in practice, and it's – you would think – I just feel like you would think, oh, yeah, so how long have that quarterback and receiver been together? And you tell them four weeks, and they go, there's no way. Not that it was an unbelievable play. It's just a little subtlety of a route concept, and we're on the same page because he has such great feel and then yet i've seen the coverage in that route concept so many times and that that meshing

together uh makes for a good combination nice phil i know you you played for chuck amato at nc state and that guy is iconic i feel like on the silence i remember before we played i was able to play against you my sophomore year your senior year you were up for the heisman all this stuff amazing game i remember my linebacker coach like hey now this head coach he has a presence about him i'm just letting you know he's gonna be out there and he's like and you go out there and this dude super tan slick back hair sweet shades on and super barrel chest real upper like have you ever is there any other coach you've been around that can bench more than Chuck Amato? No, no way.

You got it right. I mean, he had the sweet Oakleys. He had the Jordans, you know, he wore the Jordan shoes on the sideline. He, you know, in the weight room, there was a, you know, machine that was built called the Amato Press. I mean, it was the Chuck Amato Press. So, I mean, he definitely got his bench press in. Was he inclined?

He was awesome. But definitely brought the flair and the swagger. And really, you know, NC State to that point was up and down, and he really kind of got that program kind of on the ascent those four years where I was there, and he was brand new as a coach and kind of turned the whole program in the right direction. I heard you're a pretty good cornhole player. I'm not bad, you know. I had some good runs this training camp.

We had a cornhole tournament, actually, last week. Frank canceled a walkthrough, and we had them in the indoor. I mean, they had boards set up everywhere. And I got knocked out a little sooner than I'd like. But, you know every not to make an excuse but every board's different every set of bags are different i like to find you know the same the same set and uh and keep it right there well there should be some consistency in the bags because you need to slick side you need to stop side and the boards need to be a

little bit thick here so we're not just bouncing all over the place i don't know if anybody's told you i used to run that locker room in Cornhole. Right. I've heard from Conte that you kind of got the whole thing started. So now there's two sets of boards set up in the locker room. Oh, let's go. You can believe that was certainly the game play during some big breaks during training camp. What I'd never done, you know, you always play to 15 or 21, the bust or no bust.

I'm not a big fan of the bust. No, you go through that. That's for losers. It lasts forever. Yeah, you're up 20 to 1, and you can lose because you keep busting. But the game that kind of – That's not my corner. That's not my locker room, Phil.

There's no way you're letting that fly in that locker room, Phil. It mixes in there a little bit. The game is just the four bag. You know, play four bags down and play best two out of three. That's the quick one. You know, you've got a and play best two out of three. That's the quick one. You know, you've got a meeting in five minutes. Come on, let's get a quick series in. So that's kind of been the go-to, I think, for the most part.

So you're just competing in everything, huh? Trash can toss, yeah, need it. We're going to go, hey, three bags? All right, we've got, what, a minute and a half? Let's go three. You just love competing, huh? Love it. Basketball, shooting baskets in the team room.

Yeah, shoot, let's compete in something. And you know what's funny? Because Dad being a high school coach, and my dad's super competitive, but I got a lot of my competition from my mom. My mom playing a board game, it could be Sarri or Uno or whatever as a young kid, and now she's doing it with my children, with her grandchildren. She doesn't let them win. I mean, there's no, like, we play to win.

What do you mean we're not keeping score? Playing for fun? It plays for fun. You can have fun along the way, but you play to stink and win the game. That's true. Hey, Phil, last thing for me. I know you're all set up down the road to become a high school coach. When you look around and you see, okay, Sean McVay,

Monday Night Football came after him. Drew Brees is setting up. We see what Tony Romo's doing. You ever sit back and be like, you know what? I could probably go collect about 10 mil entertaining people calling games. You know, that was the only thing I didn't mention to you during that time in Florida. That kind of got brought up a little bit. The whole TV side got brought up a little bit. Never really gained any steam, but I think I'm not ever going to rule it out. I'm not ever going

to rule it out. Certainly would not ever going to rule it out. Certainly would be humbled with even any opportunity like that. But it goes back to what we just said. I think, you know, it's hard to compete in the booth. You know, it would drive me crazy that I can't have an effect on the score. You know, so I think that's the only thing. I think if that ever came to, I'd still have to be coaching on the sideline on Friday night somewhere.

You comparing yourself to Tony Romo's game to see who won would be awesome. Yeah, how about that? How about the post-game analysis of who called a better game? Tony's really good now. He is really good. And it's fun as a quarterback watching and listening to him because he says some things. I'm sure for him early it was hard. And, you know, shoot, I think he's great.

But early I bet it was difficult for him not to talk too much, you know, too much in the schematics and all that, like he's sitting in a quarterback room because sometimes I was listening to him early and I was like, yeah, man, that's exactly right. Tony's calling out blitzes and calling out where they're checking to run to. And I'm going, the people at home are probably going, man, this is high-level quarterback play we're getting from Romo. It was a little bit a lot.

A lot of fans felt like they were drinking from a fire hose at that point. But we felt like we learned a lot. Tony Romo has set a new standard. I hope you get a chance to do that someday if you want to. If not, coach, I hope you get a chance to win a Super Bowl. We're very thankful you're in our city, man. Everybody has had glowing praises for you, even back for the Chargers, the Chargers fans, the Colts, the Colts building.

I mean, you've done it right, man, and we hope you end up on the top of the mountain someday. You deserve it. Yeah, well, I appreciate it. Y'all, thanks for having me on. It's been great. The community's really welcomed our family, too, as well. And, shoot, we love it here.

It's funny, I keep telling everyone we're looking forward to the four seasons. You know, we're looking forward to having a little changeup. We've swam on Christmas Day, you know, like 16 years out there. So I get quickly reminded, yeah, it's nice. Fall's good, but you won't be swimming, that's for sure, on Christmas. But we're looking forward to that. This locker room and this team's great. You know, I think the big thing was it wasn't a fix-it deal or, hey,

we got locker room issues. We really need a leader in here. This locker room is awesome. And it's not by any means me coming here and doing anything special. It's, you know, we say it a lot. Frank has said this a lot to the guys. Be the best version of yourself, you know, for this team this year. And I think that's what I'm going to do.

And, shoot, we got a heck of a group. And I always say, see if we got to score one more point than the other team. Each week, that's what I'm going to do. And shoot, we've got a heck of a group. And I always say, see if we've got to score one more point than the other team. Each week, that's the goal, score one more point than the other team. If it's 3-2 or 38-37, and keep our head down and see what we can do. You guys won a game 3-2 this year. I'll be pumped. I guess I'll ultimately be happy. I wouldn't be very happy.

But I wouldn't be very happy 3-2. That'd be a rough outing. Phil, you always, and sorry, I'm asking more questions because the more you talk, the more I'm just, well, you, you tried to close it out and I didn't let you. Well, the way you throw, the way you throw is obviously a topic of conversation for everybody, especially as you get older, because it feels as if it's a lot on your arm as opposed to your body. Was that just your natural throwing motion early, and has it just always been that way? Did you move into that throwing motion, and do you think it is such a waste of time for people to talk about it

because you put the ball on the money, it seems like, every single time? Yeah, no, I understand it. I think it's going to be part of kind of my whatever. That will always be part of my kind of game will be the throwing motion. I'll give you the shortest version I can give you. Take your time, Phil. Take your time. We got nothing but time.

Going back to, you know, being a little boy, the ball boy and everything with my dad's teams, I was around his practices, you know, as a 5, 6, 7, 8-year-old, and throwing a regulation-sized football. So I couldn't quite palm it, you know, so it's in your hand, and I couldn't, you know, grab it. So you had to lay it in your hand and then push it. So me and my dad kind of think that's where it started. And then as you get a little bigger and stronger,

you still have that muscle memory and that movement is kind of ingrained. So although I probably could have altered it, I kind of kept it kind of in that little slot, in that little three-quarter delivery. I do think it's helped me, allowed me to throw at multiple arm angles, whether you're throwing around linemen or need to throw it around someone. And, you know, the only time it got mentioned was freshman year, NC State. Norm Chow was the coordinator.

He sent the tape. He asked me. He thought I was injured. He said, is something wrong with your shoulder? I said, no, Coach, I guess that's just the way I throw it. And so he sent it to Mike Holmgren, who he knew, who was in Seattle at the time. And Holmgren said, if he's accurate and doesn't get a lot of balls batted down,

then just leave it alone. So we left it alone. That was kind of the last straw as far as do we tweak it or not. So that's the story that we believe and that's been told. But my son, who's 12, my oldest son, he throws it the exact same way. And now he's thrown a youth football his whole life. So maybe there's just something – we're wired to throw it that way. And when he was 7 or 8, I said, hey, Gunner, pick your arm up a little bit,

just a little higher. And he said, Dad, you throw it that way. So I said, you're right, keep throwing it that way. It may just be a river's gene. I don't't know gunner is a hell of a name for an nfl quarterback i cannot wait to see him succeed hey so i've always said you know uh it's my mom's maiden name is gunner that's why we named him that but if he can throw it or if he can shoot it then it'll work out yeah and i feel like with his dad and how competitive your genes seem to be with your mom and what you've been able to accomplish thus far,

and you have an entire two teams of kids competing against each other every single day, I feel like Gunnar has a head start on everybody else. Ladies and gentlemen, perennial All-Pro superstar, Indianapolis Colts quarterback, Phillip Rivers. Thank you, Phil. Yeah, Phil! Hi, AJ. Good to see you guys.

Hey, Phil. Phil. Phil. Hey. How many kids? I'm about to see you guys. Hey, Phil. Phil. Phil. Hey. How many kids? I'm about to get into the kids' world, I think. Which one? That's two times we've closed it down and opened it back up.

So there's nine. There's nine. It's seven girls and two boys. So the boys are 12 and eight. And then the girls surround them. Three older, one girl in the middle, and three younger. Which number of kids was it like, all right, we're playing a little bit too much zone defense right now?

Did that happen or has that not happened yet? Maybe we'll get to ten. Well, I think you get broken from a standpoint of, you know, you get broken to really just let go when you get to four. You know, that was kind of when my wife said, I finally just didn't, the bows didn't have to be perfect in the hair anymore. You know, I'm going to grocery store with diaper in back pocket.

You know, there's no more diaper bag at that point. It's just back pocket diaper and hold a sippy cup. We'll survive. You know, we have to go get some paper towels and change the diaper. We'll make it work. So that's after four. But I tell you what, having the three oldest girls. So I have one girl, you know, now 18, but 18, 15, and 14,

they're like little moms in the house. So that certainly helps out with the zone defense. Well, good for you. Now I'm done with this convo. Phil Rivers. Yeah, Phil. All right. Well, we'll see you guys.

See you, man. Good dude. Great. Legend. Hey, good guy there, Phil Rivers. By the way, everybody I've talked to in the Colts building, in every different department, this guy has been just a dream. High energy, high competitive.

Every day he's the same exact person. He's welcoming. He talks to everybody. In that corner in the locker room, I guess he's really been popping off over there. I'm happy the Colts got him. He stuck around. I mean, that was a pretty long conversation for a guy in the middle

of training camp, I'd assume, AJ. Yeah, I'd say. I mean, the talk tried to shut down two or three times and he he wanted to keep it going so yeah man i think it seems like a perfect fit doesn't it for phil i mean we know how good their offensive line is but it seems like a like a culture fit too which i think phil would have fit in anywhere but he there's definitely some places he could have gone to and been looked around the locker room day one or week one is like all right this is not the nfl i'm used to you know they picked him over tom brady the colts chris ballard basically confirmed that to us on schedule or draft night or whatever when he's

i said hey there's a report coming out that tom brady's team was interested in coming to the colts and you guys said nah we're gonna go philip rivers and said is that true and he said i can't confirm nor deny that. Like, whoa, okay. So that means, yes, that happened. And then once I'm starting to hear the stories come out of the building and how comfortable he is in that offense, like that offense is literally just like he doesn't have to learn anything.

He's almost like teaching people allegedly from what to do. I mean, it seems like a perfect fit. If he goes on a run and wins the Super Bowl here, I hate to hear it. I hate to say it for the Chargers fan. You will never see Phillip Rivers in a Chargers uniform ever again if he wins the Super Bowl at the Indianapolis Colts. It's happened with Peyton when he went to Denver. I assume it's going to happen with Tom whenever he goes to the Bucs if they win one. I mean, he's going to be remembered as a Colt forever, even though his Chargers years were obviously special.

16, that's a long time. Yeah, he may have to take a high school gig in Indiana if he wins the Super Bowl this year with the Colts. I don't know. I feel like that prep school he's going to down there in Alabama, I'm not sure the Butler Bulldogs are even paying that amount of money. Yeah, probably. They're probably competing with IMG. Yeah, I think those prep schools, those high school prep schools,

they go all in. Like, hey, we want to win down here in Alabama. Remember, two days or whatever, whenever Hoover High was all over everything. Alabama high school football is a big deal. How's that microphone doing? I saw you holding that thing the entire time. Is that still happening? Yeah, it's got the big boom arm connected.

That's the problem, yeah. It just – the clamp came off. I'll get it figured out. He's been doing that for 38 minutes. Yeah, it's been 40 minutes you've been hanging. Are you sweating over there? It feels like you're going through – I knocked a few things down.

That's why I didn't want to interrupt Phil. Something fell. Knocked some big thing down. Oh, okay. We did hear that. GC Harbaugh came out in support for his brother at Michigan and said free the Big Ten. Free him, right? Like free the Big Ten, basically. Didn't he say that? Yeah, exact quote. Free the Big Ten. General Bob Carpenter

has been exhausting every single source that he has to find out what we're at. Have you heard anything new on the state of the Big Ten? Bob Carpenter is coming out and saying, hey, the ball is in the university president's court. They have access to the Abbott instant testing. It's the final hurdle for player safety, and initially they will be the only conference that has it.

The general. He's worked up. He's in a box hole right now. Hey, he's in the middle of a war. What do you want from this guy? It's been exhausting. Give's worked up. He's in a foxhole right now. Hey, he's in the middle of a war. What do you want from this guy? It's been exhausting. Give him a break. Hey, Bobby, or Pat, you know,

Bobby talked about on his radio show in the morning, I think yesterday, about the red line. He mentioned it when he came on the show. And then he said how somebody came back at him for his grammar, the errors that he had made and his punctuation. He's like, I mean, what am I going to do, man? It's 6.15 in the morning.

I'm in the middle of a segment on the radio, and I'm trying to redline this thing. I'm multitasking. Don't come at me with my grammar mistakes. That's the general. That's the general. That's our general. That's my general.

It's been an exhausting day, he says. But it feels like he's exhausted by his hatred for the Big Ten commissioner. It's a long day, man. It feels like lots of... He called every single commissioner. Every president, you mean. Yeah. He called every president, wrote every congressman.

But it feels like, he says, lots of progress has been made in the Big Ten. I don't know if that's just with his army or with the actual Big Ten. There's still progress to be made. But the OSU president, Christina Johnson, making a strong statement for fall football and instant testing now available to schools. It's getting close. And then obviously sleepy emoji because he's had a long fucking day out there on the battle lines. If Big Ten football comes back, Bob Carpenter might get a statue.

And I am here for General Bob Carpenter to get a statue. Have you heard anything in Ohio? You're friends with Bob, obviously the general. Have you heard anything about updates or anything like that because you listen to people on uh on get up heather dinich who went to indiana she's from indiana she said that nothing has changed nothing has been proposed to the president such as she said that yesterday now something it's been an exhaustive day yesterday for the general so who knows if something changed since then but i feel like there's mixed sources coming

out on whether or not they're going to change anything. What is your feeling towards it right now? Well, I should have called or texted Bobby before the show because he is my source for all of this. He has the sources he talks about. But I wonder if – Should we have them? I read the Heather Dinnich, what she said. Like, I see both sides. I see Heather Dinnich saying, no, there's no progress made.

There's nothing towards the Big Ten coming back any sooner. And then I'll see something five minutes later and they say, hey, oh, just got off the horn with somebody. to say no there's no progress made there's nothing towards the big 10 coming back any sooner and then i'll see something five minutes later and they say hey oh just got off the the horn with somebody in the big 10 and they think it's a very real possibility early october they're gonna play and i'm like all right well what do i what do i believe dennis dodd of cbs tweeted at 205 so roughly you do the math 37 38 you get it 38 minutes ago multiple sources say no immediate plan for big 10 presidents to meet to consider fall start to season one source says october 10th ain't happening is general bob carpenter losing this war right in front of his eyes oh my the big

10 army that general bob carpenter is leading is not going to be happy to hear what dennis dodd of cbs said and while we have to remember that there is oh i got another text coming through from nick nick says during a state college area school board of directors meeting on monday night wayne sebastianelli penn state's director of athletic medicine made some alarming comments about the link between covet 19 and myocarditis. Particularly in Big Ten athletes, Sebastianelli said the cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis,

an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked. When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to 35% had heart muscles, were inflamed. Sebastianelli said said and we really just don't know what to do with it right now it's still very early in the infection some of that has led to the pac-12 and big 10's decision to sort out uh of put a hiatus on what's happening now what isn't said there is what the other doctors who will immediately tweet underneath that report that says well that happens for the flu that happens for the cold your heart gets inflamed

anytime it battles an illness. And now, who do we believe? Do we believe Mr. Sebastiani, who is, I don't know if it's a Paisan guy. I don't. Not my Paisan. Well, that does not directly help out General Bob's army, that particular quote. Or do you believe the people that come out on the other side of it? They're like, well, that happens everywhere.

This is the problem. This is the problem. You don't know who's right, what doctor studied fucking more, who's, you know, you just don't know, AJ. And that General Bob Carpenter's got to fight against that every day. He does. He's getting shelled in his foxhole right now. He is. He loves it.

He loves it. I mean, Bobby, he lives for this. I think this is where he thrives the most, when he has a cause to fight for, where he can gather the troops and bring them with him. It's just his, it's his thing, man. I've known him for a long time. Hey,

right underneath the tweet that you read or whatever, the very first tweet is how the big 10 doctor and the SEC doctor have completely different viewpoints on the, is this just going to be the way our world is forever? Now, is this is what it's going to be like, okay, this person,

and now granted, I love the fact that we are now a society where we have access to more information than we've ever been i think that's a good thing i think people learning and and all that stuff but then whenever the same information starts getting pitched in different directions i mean that's just it makes no sense it's like well who who who's making the decision here greg sankey's like i heard what they did at Big Ten. We looked at those numbers, too. And it turns out our King James version of those numbers is much different than their fucking Bible that they're reading from. I mean, it is a very, I mean, this is a wild time to be alive.

Pick a side. That's all it is. I told you guys yesterday, I got a carditis. It's not a big deal. Come on. Diggs does have a carditis. He can't do Jager bombs. AJ, can't do it.

It's not a big deal. How do you learn about that? You just did a bunch of one. No, it feels like you're having a heart attack, and then you get rushed to the hospital, and then they tell you you're not having a heart attack, and then they tell you what you have, and then you figure it out. And then every time your friends go out and want to order a bomb of some sort to drink, you have to tell the bartender, excuse me, keep a ginger ale with us instead of Red Bull,

because I will die here. Is it a caffeine thing? Yeah. There's a bunch of different things that can set off the inflammation around your heart that makes you feel like you're having a heart attack but you're not really having a heart attack so it's not a big deal i mean i'm worried about i didn't know it was a fake ass i didn't know you could have been having vegas bombs and all that stuff with us i mean you know what i mean vegas bombs everybody knows my go-to is like hey i'd like

for like a hundred people and then you always go, just 99, actually. One with ginger ale. I've come around because if I die, I die. But if I started actually taking. Oh, Kirk Cousins. Hell yeah. How do you feel about Kirk Cousins coming out and saying, if I die, I die? People hate him for it.

I guess people, I did not know that there was that big of a backlash for what he said. But boy, people are not happy with Kirk Cousins saying, if I die, I die. Didn't this get taken out of context a little bit? I know it was on Kyle Brandt's podcast deal that he has on Spotify or whatever. Aaron was his first guest earlier. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I need to listen to the whole thing. But he's just channeling Ivan Drago with Rocky. If he dies, he dies.

Like, Kirk obviously feels this way about it. But he did say, I still wear a mask to protect other people and everything like he's not saying like I'm just willy-nilly just flying around I guess he's basically telling us I'm it doesn't take up a whole lot of space in my brain like worrying about COVID which by the way here's Kirk Cousins mentally tough enough to battle against COVID not even worrying about that not distracting he even says listen if I die I die I die, I die, dude. Okay, I got film to watch. And that's primetime Kirk Cousins. This is a new Kirk Cousins here.

He's taking some heat on the internet. He doesn't even know. You know why? Locked in. Locked in. Locked in Kirk Cousins, primetime Kirk Cousins, the same Kirk Cousins that won in Jerry World and the same Kirk Cousins that won in New Orleans in Superdome

and threw a potential pass interference to Kyle Rudolph to get a playoff victory. Well, hey, maybe this is, like you said, new Kirk Cousins. Maybe he loves it. He wants to become a heel, right? You're a wrestling guy. Does he want that? If Kirk Cousins becomes a heel, I'm for it because there's nothing better than a super smart, nerdy heel

who just loves the Bible. What's that? Who loves the Bible. That's a good heel right there. Oh, a Bible heel? Oh, yeah. A Bible heel. Yeah. Well, the Bible heel, if Kirk Cousins becomes that, and it's you like that every single week, I am here for Kirk Cousins saying,

if I die, I die. You like that. I'll wear a mask to keep everybody else safe, but I just want to let you know, 0.00001% of me worries about that whole thing. I love Kirk. I mean, the NFC North, north okay you got maddie stafford up there he's back from a broken back you got this new kirk cousins who if i die i die primetime

kirk cousins you got aaron rogers who's playing the best football he's played in a long time and in his eyes and in a lot of other people's eyes i mean the chicago bear you know the bears have a quarterback or two the thing about that nfc north is i think it's going to get very very contentious in that nfc north all of a sudden time nah i'm not worried about it packers are still going to win the division i mean you know i mean maybe if kirk cousins changes his name to kirk cousins and yeah that's kind of a heel move i wouldn't mind seeing him do that but you hate the name Kirk. I don't hate it, but I think that's synonymous. Should Kirk Cameron change his?

Kirk Cameron? From Growing Pains? Yeah. That guy stinks. New tie would know. It's amazing. Great pull by Ty right there. Great show. He makes some waves. He's a very religious guy. He makes some waves in different comments he says over the show. You're on the internet more than I am,

by the way. It's not the internet. He's not even on the internet he says over the years. You're on the internet more than I am, by the way. It's not the internet. He's not even on the internet. Yeah, he is. That guy's the internet. That guy's the internet. Yeah, you're right. Actually, you're right. I read the internet.

I don't scroll through Twitter and Instagram. Like, yeah, that's where I get my news, of course. Well, my internet is Twitter and Instagram. Yeah, but yours is, I guess we just have different views on how we approach it. Well, the things you learn about on the internet are much more despicable than the things I learn about on the internet. It's true. Oh, what, Chuck Berry? I learned about that from him.

Show's over. Show's over. All right, AJ. Middle school, man. All right. We'll see you tomorrow, AJ. Is there anything else you want to say? Don't salute at me.

And that was left-handed. No disrespect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the military. Oh. And I was left-handed. No disrespect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the military. Oh. General Bob. Wow. That mic continues to fuck you.

Yeah. Whoa. What did you say? That mic continues to fuck you because you couldn't salute right-handed. You're right. You're right. What do you got on going? What's the stadium thing?

You working for stadium? What's going on there? I have. Yeah, I've done games for stadium. Yeah. What is stadium? It's a network. That's who's going on there? I have, yeah. I've done games for Stadium, yeah. What is Stadium? It's a network. That's who, uh...

They do on television? Yep. Really? Stadium's on the television? Yeah, it's on, you know, a lot of the games I've done, well, they air, it's internet, and then they air them all regionally and locally. What games have you called for Stadium?

Is it high school, college, NFL? College. Conference USA games, yeah, and I'm probably going to do some this year. Oh! Oh, here we go! here we go is that breaking news no not at all it's who Sean's with or was with or is with no he's with the athletic isn't he both oh he's with the athletic and stadium is stadium a network I believe so okay good for you AJ look at this look at this look at this yeah what games you you call? Conference USA games?

How many games did you call in this year? I don't know. We'll see. Hopefully all of them. Let's break the news, AJ. I mean, let's break the news. No news. Yeah, there's no news to break. I've done games for them the last couple years. Whoa! I enjoy being here. Whoa! I think they're planning on sending

crews to the games, and I like that. Let's go. I like that. We like that, too. You like that? How do we watch that? How do we watch those? Don't worry about it.

You don't need to watch. No, I would like to watch. We're watching. I'll let you know. I think September 26th will probably be the first one I do. I'll let you know. Breaking news. Wow.

Breaking news. Look at this. September 26th, stadium. A.J. Hawk on the call for a Conference USA game between Diggs is searching right now. Trying to. Memphis. There's a lot of them. Southern Miss.

Southern Miss. Let's go. They play tonight. Yeah, they do. They kick off the season tonight. Hey, I'll watch some film for you to see if you can pick up anything because I also called college football games last year. So I can tell you a little nuances.

Can you break it down for me? Will you send me like a detailed report on Southern Miss? The big thing is don't learn any of their names, you know, because then you'll be kind of biased towards the ones you know their names. Just know the numbers. And that really works well on TV where you say, oh, number 84 just went after it there. And then everybody's like, yeah, you fucking did.

He's not a Heisman candidate. That's on me. I think that is how you should approach potentially the games if i were you okay thank you i will i will i will make a note of that for sure but uh yeah i don't know are you gonna be doing games again no no wasn't invited to i mean your schedule you had last year was unmanageable yeah i would i would argue that is accurate i would argue that that schedule last year was a mistake. Hindsight, look back and say, probably should have died there. Probably should have died during that little run.

You're glad you did it though, right? Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, I think I'm glad I did it. When you're in the middle of it, you know, you don't even realize how much you're probably just killing your body and your mental health and your whole spirit and you're gaining like 50 pounds while you're doing it and you're you're potentially dropping right into the coronavirus capital of the world once a week and then high-fiving and shaking everybody's hands and then you're in four cities a week and you're just going going going going going and then as you get like a month out you kind of like kind of decompress a little bit you're like happy to be

at home it's like all right it's good to be here. Then like two months out, you look back and you go, that was the dumbest thing anybody's ever decided to do. And that is, I think, what we all did. That was a part of that run. What are you going to do? I mean, in hindsight, too, we definitely all got COVID about two, three months before it was a thing. So we kind of eased our immune systems into it.

Yeah, legit, too. I mean, they actually drew a circle on the hotel we were in and was like this is potentially where covet started and we were there every single 17 weeks 20 weeks in a row so i mean there's a chance i mean there's a chance but yeah i'm happy i'm gonna be home a little bit more this particular year but it's not bad to get back on the road i like seeing people like shaking hands well it's just a fine balance uh but it's not happening this year for anybody pat no one's hitting the road shaking hands you It's just a fine balance. It's not happening this year for anybody, Pat. No one's hitting the road shaking hands.

You'll see some people. No one's shaking hands. You are. September 26th. The stadium network. I'm not going to be shaking anybody's hand. Go ahead, Shane. Jeez.

Unapproachable. It's like an air fist bump, right? Isn't that what people do? The cool guys do now? You know, I do like the... I'm a big... Knock it up. Knock it up. it up yeah pond

do you think the uh will the handshake ever come back because pre-covid i know people said like hey the handshake needs to go even before people were worried about a global pandemic they're like it's still not like i don't want to shake people's especially the right hand they're usually wiping with that one they don't wash well yeah unless they're a lefty. Do lefties wipe with their left hands? Yeah. I would assume they go strong side, huh? Yeah, for sure. Unless they're switch hitters. By the way, I've gone... Have you tried to lefty?

Can't. Oh, my God. It's like brushing your teeth lefty. Yeah, I've never done that. Give it a run. Nine months on my right hand. You can. It's amazing how fast the body can adapt. Well well that's your body remember you microdose yourself out of being allergic to shellfish so i think your body's a little bit different than everybody else's but the handshake is something i think was potentially

dying off and now definitely going to be gone a lot of howie mandel's now i think a lot of mandel's a lot of fist bumps or whatever and i think that's good because that's the expectation of people now because there's always that moment where it's like the uh handshake dap up pound you know that whole thing but what also is coming from this uh pandemic and social distancing thing food delivery just leaving the food at your door as opposed to having to go out and have any you know that is a major upside in this entire social distance just they know there's no expectation for us to come to the car. There's no expectation for a conversation. Hey, we'll leave this right at the door and we'll get the fuck out of here.

Oh, big come up for food delivery, I think. Yeah. You know what? No joke. This happened to me two days ago. We see this car pull up. My God, who's this? Some guy comes out, maybe in his 70s, wearing a mask.

And I see him. I'm like, man, come on, don't ring the doorbell. I was hoping he was delivering something. Nope. Rings the doorbell, stands there, won't go away. So I was like, all right, I got it. Went to the door. I'm standing there for, this thing went 15 minutes,

maybe longer than 15 minutes. I was like, oh, hey, how are you doing? He's like, hey, I'm with the U.S. Census Bureau. And you and I guess you guys didn't figure, you didn't fill it all out online like you were supposed to, so I'm here and I have to ask you a bunch of questions. I was like, oh, okay. And I sat there for 15 minutes asking questions about who lives here, whatever, all this garbage.

And then government state is this. They do that in Indiana too. They got you. I don't want to out the dude or whatever, but then we took a selfie together with his phone. I'm like, all right, I don't think this is proper protocol. You're in the deep state, man. I've never had that happen.

I've never had either. Are you legally supposed to fill out the census? If I got anything in the mail ever from the U.S. Census Bureau, I'd rip it up and throw it away. It's your duty as an American citizen, AJ vote yeah not fucking tell everything there yeah check the tax records they know they know where i pay taxes they know exactly what's going on you see how many dependents i got going on why don't you call the irs and figure this out pal you know who i missed showing up at the door the religious people you know the religious people aren't they still

going you don't think they're still going i haven't had any come to my house in a while no a lot of those people were old and they really shouldn't be walking around unfortunately no the mormons are young crew oh i haven't i had never had a mormon visit oh it's the best now listen i'm very different than a lot of people i want to get called in for jury duty okay like i'm one of those people who wants to experience these things and those religious people they're showing up and they think people are going to want to rush them out of there no no i got questions let's have a full conversation here i want to learn about this it gets to the point where they want to leave you know where they want to leave as opposed to me there's no chance i'm too i'm too you know um stubborn to change my way so you got no chance of like bringing me into your cult or whatever but

i got a lot of questions for you and And if you don't have the answers, I start questioning whether or not you're religious enough. Then you should, I'd be visiting you at your house potentially because I have a field day with those people. I mean, I love it. And unfortunately I do believe the door to door religious folks trying to

sell their cult is not going to survive the corn. No, that's a shame. That's a damn shame. What's up? Um, some breaking news in the NFL. Here we go.

Not super familiar with his name, but I did check the depth chart. He is the starting safety for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Ronnie Harrison is being traded to the Cleveland Browns. The starting fucking safety's gone now? This team stinks, dude. What did they get for him? Fifth rounder. Man.

What the fuck? What's Doug Marone got to be thinking? Hey, we're just we're setting are this all up for the coach that comes after me probably just hammering bologna sandwiches and just setting everything and hammering his bologna probably oh yeah i mean this is an interesting situation so not only do they get rid of their starting uh running back 31 percent of their offensive production last year not only do they get get rid of two of their most prominent defensive linemen in Yannick Ngakwe, who takes a $6 million pay cut to get the fuck out of town.

Calais Campbell gets traded. Didn't even know he was going to get traded. Actually thought he was going to be with Jacksonville for a long time. Jalen Ramsey last year. I mean, you're just talking about everybody on their team. Nick Foles, Bowie. I mean, everybody on their team is just like. So if you're on the Jacksonville Jaguars right now and you're a good football player,

are you trying to suck in practice so that you can get a job? Because it feels like you're not going to have a job with the Jacksonville Jaguars if you're good at football. And I think they are very lucky that this COVID-19 thing is not allowing fans in the stands or they can take a grandstand and say like, hey, you're not allowed to have any fans in stands. You know, we're taking extra precautions. Because I don't know how you're a Jacksonville Jaguars fan right now and, like, excited unless you are buying into the fact that, hey, finally our team is choosing to suck outright as opposed to be average. And if you're cheering for a tank season, that's got to be tough already.

But if this works out and they get Trevor Lawrence and the whole team turns around, I guess we hindsight this and say good for them. But that entire building is going to get blown up after this season if they're trying to suck, just like it did for the Colts whenever I was there, whenever we got Andrew Luck. Yeah, you would think, but when you were talking about

that, it reminded me, it had an idea popped in my head. So, you know, Steve Nash just got named the Brooklyn Nets head coach. White privilege, yeah, white privilege. Stephen A. Smith said it was because he was white. Oh, someone said that, right? Stephen A. Smith, yeah. Hey, maybe we don't know maybe i don't know but what if phil rivers leads the colts to a super bowl and then shod khan gives him a call he's like hey i know you want to coach high school i'll pay you 15 a year why don't you come take over the jags as the head

coach philip rivers philip yeah. That's not completely crazy. Oh, it's something the Jags would do. I mean, I like the fact that... It would get people talking about the Jags. They had those pool parties during the games. That talked about the Jags. They went over to London. That talked about the Jags.

They had primetime games in the morning, but it was only to show on TV because they were in London. It does feel as if the con is somebody, the cons are somebody that try to, you know, promote things, get it going. But with this team doing what it's doing, obviously sucking. I mean, we said this about the Miami Dolphins last year,

and Gardner Minshew might be the same type of player as Ryan Fitzpatrick, where even if you're trying to suck, Ryan Fitzpatrick's going to win a couple games for you. They were trying to get the number one overall pick. They got the number five overall pick, and maybe Gardner Minshew's the same person. But everybody in that building has to see the writing on the wall at this point david caldwell who michael lombardi who's former gm calls david blaine caldwell because

he's a magician he sucked for so long somehow and he's still the gm doug marone knows that he's got to see the writing on the wall at this point that whole building has to know like oh this is kind of we just get to kind of have a lame duck here. It does not matter what we do or say. It will not affect the future because everybody assumes they're going to pick one person. Let's say it's Phillip Rivers. Who says it's not Phillip Rivers? If they're going to pick one person, they're going to be GM, head coach, and they're going to be tasked with rebuilding that entire franchise.

And I don't know how they're going to do it. I don't know who's going to do it. But it feels like this is a team who is trying to suck more than every other team. And if you're a Jaguars fan, you just got to be like, all right, well, we'll just grit and bear this for another year of suck, and then we'll be good after this. But it's going to take a while to build that thing from top to bottom, and I don't think that's an easy process to do.

No, it's going to be really tough. But what about David Blaine? Did you watch his balloon stunt? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of uneventful. Kind of uneventful. Honestly, I listened to him talk about it, and then all of a sudden I saw it trending or whatever,

so I started watching it. It sucked me in a little bit. As he was getting up 15,000, 18,000 feet, and this guy's like, hey, I really need you to get some oxygen. He's like, no, I feel fine. I started to get a little worried for him. Then when he cut free and you couldn't hear him, I'm like, all right, is he conscious?

Did he pass out when he was descending or what? Then all of a sudden bam he pops up he lands he's good oh that's how they wanted you to think i think i feel like that was the they got you they got you they had us we watch how much money he spent trying to prepare this whole thing and he was like a two-year process he had to have like 500 solo jumps he became a pilot for air hot air balloons like lighter than air deal like he did all kinds of prep just for that moment. We talked about this yesterday. We think David Blaine was competing against David Blaine's legacy at that point, right? What this man has done.

He's locked himself in an ice cube, I think. He's held his breath underwater. He's done all these insane things. So whenever you watch this one, in your head, you're thinking, David Blaine, this guy will try to fucking kill himself to do something. And then as you're watching it, he's just kind of strapped in to a a test airplane that they're flying around with a bunch of balloons. Some of the strings on the balloons, by the way, looked a little loose and he was dropping bricks out of his pockets. And then you learn we learned about 10 minutes into the because we're getting a bit.

I'm going to be honest. The office had turned on David Blaine whenever that thing started. When he was floating around at like 5,000 feet and he was just like chilling and hanging out and he was dropping bricks out of his pockets. Everybody's like, come on, Dave, what are we doing here? Now he gets up to 24,000 feet. We were impressed because that was very, very high, very, very cold, the whole thing. But at the beginning we were kind of lost. And then we looked up 12 years ago, a priest in Brazil did this. He strapped himself in and the last they heard of him was at 17,400 feet. Then like four months later, they found half his body on an oil bridge out in the

middle of the ocean. So that guy just fucking disappeared, went too high, too quick, too fast, too dead. So then that's when we were kind of like back in, oh, wait a minute. Is David Blaine potentially going to go to the stratosphere like Felix Baumgartner? He did not. He got to 24,000 feet. Still impressive. Uneventful. It's not in the top three or five of David Blaine things,

but we watched for 47 minutes just like you. Would have been a lot cooler if I missed the beginning part. If he would have got to like 18,000 feet and then the air would have started leaking out of balloons and he would have been in one of those suits with chains and stuff like that and he had to get all those off before all the balloons were out of, and he would have been in one of those suits with chains and stuff like that, and he had to get all those off before all the balloons were out of air, and he would have plummeted to the earth.

To death. That would have been cool. Yeah. It was a little uneventful. He was too good. He's too good. Did you want it to be like the guy that, the flat earther that built his own rocket and shot himself up?

No. Mad Mike, take it easy. Is that what you were looking for? I will say that after we read about the Brazilian priest that went off into the stratosphere and then didn't come back until a couple months later when they found his lower half on an oil barge thing out at sea or whatever, Ty Schmidt did immediately say, we might have a Mad Mike situation here. We might have a Mad Mike situation.

So once we found out that there was a potential death in a death-ying stunt i think it heightened it a little bit for us but that next 30 minutes was kind of boring until we got up to 24 000 feet they're like damn that's pretty cool here we go um but this is just like no it's not i will not compare him to that sellout no no no no nick will end i hate that guy like i'm sure he's a good guy. He might not be. Who knows? He might be a prick. He's a scammer. That guy, there's zero thought that that guy's going to die.

And they promote it as death defying. It's like, no, it's not. The guy's going to bungee jump over Niagara Falls or a volcano, which is cool. I think there's like 100,000 kids on the internet that would love to do what he's doing. And then I'm forced to watch it because it's happening. And you can't take your eyes off it. And then by the end of it, you're like, fucking hate that guy. But I don't feel like that towards David Blaine.

But yesterday did feel a little uneventful because he's so good. He's so good. He is good. Quick question before we go. If that guy got that priest or whatever in Brazil that strapped himself to a balloon and took off, and they found his lower body on some oil rig out in the sea. How do you identify the body just from the lower half? The clothes he was wearing is how they identified him.

Really? Four months later? Like, hey, I think there was a dude. Remember that guy that strapped himself to a balloon? Maybe this is his legs. Yeah, I don't know. Who had an eye out, too? He was like, all right, for the next three months, let's keep an eye out.

We don't know where he's going to be. One for Dockers? Yeah, I think he was wearing blue jeans, maybe. There was a bunch of balloons still in his pocket. Oh, come on. What? You're so stupid. So you felt good about that one, though?

No. Yeah. Yeah. You did. You did. I don't feel good about anything I do. It's a Shea Patterson jersey. So sweet.

It's not Shea Patterson Have a little respect AJ we'll see you Mignogna we're back tomorrow at noon This has been the Pat McAfee show And McAfee and Hawk we can't thank you enough If you enjoyed the show please tell a friend If you didn't just act like it never happened Big thanks to Lane Kiffin

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It's McAfee and Hawk. Is he on? He's getting ready. Is that connecting? What does that mean? He's getting comfy. Is that connecting? What does that mean? He's getting comfy. He's getting in his chair right now. Hey, Coach. How you doing?

Coach. Hey, guys. How we doing? There he is. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, head coach for the Ole Miss football team, University of Mississippi, ladies and gentlemen, legendary Lane Kiffin. Yeah! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go!

Legendary. Feel good. Hey, you are legendary, Lane. I mean, legit, you know that, I would assume, at this point, that everybody that knows anything about football knows of Lane Kiffin. Everybody that knows anything about football has an opinion on Lane Kiffin. And I want to let you know, I can't wait to chat with you right now because I have looked on as a

spectator, as a fan of Lane Kiffin. Well, thank you. You're, you're one of the few that I think are fans. I think they do watch. Well, okay. So let's talk about that. When did you stop caring about what anybody thought was that early in your coaching career did you learn that from your dad that you can't take anything serious or or did that happen throughout some of your trials and tribulations wherever you were I think initially I did like I would guess most people did um or do and then you just kind of get numb to it you know after you go through a number of things and I just I don't know when I figured

it out but I just figured out like all right I can't you when I figured it out, but I just figured out, like, all right, I can't. I used to, when I was young, read the articles about you and what they say and all that the next day after a game and all those things. I just figured out,

all right, that don't matter. You can't please the outside people and quit worrying about it. Worry about what matters, which are the people internally that you work with and that you coach. By the way, that's every profession,

I would assume, that has any sort of spotlight on it goes through that. I remember being very upset that people hated me. And then 27 death threats happened. I was like, well, fuck everybody. You know what I mean? Coach, you got to do that, coach. Okay, I take it we're on cable.

Yeah, we're good. We're on the internet. We're on the internet, coach. Yeah. How pumped were you to get back into the SEC? I mean, obviously it's different down there, but now you're getting a chance to go back in there with a team that has a quarterback that is a freak athlete.

I got a chance to watch him last year at the Egg Bowl and that team that was really, I think it was playing great football and very young. How pumped were you to get back into the SEC, especially with that team? Well, it wasn't just about getting back to the SEC. You know, it was making sure that the job was a good fit and that you could win. And it was easy for me because I remember at Ole Miss from Alabama,

we only lost two regular season games the three years that we were there. And they were both to Ole Miss. And so it wasn't one of these like, oh, come take it to place. It's never won. You know, five years ago, we won the Sugar Bowl. So it was a place I had seen firsthand. My brother was D-line coach here at the time, too. So I'd been to the town and visited it before and stuff.

And so I knew there was a formula here to win. We just had to get it back. I heard it's a great place. Dante Moncrief went there, and he was one of my teammates for a long time. And he talked about how he loved going to school there. Everybody seems to enjoy the culture and environment down there. Yeah, it really is. I think I saw something that we put out on social media the other day,

number one college town in America. And so it really is a neat place. And the people are, like most of the South, the people are amazing and awesome and so friendly. So it's good to be back. I would assume Morgantown, West Virginia just wasn't allowed to be a part of that conversation. I would just assume that was the case, Lane.

Was there ever a thought that football season was going to be affected by you in the SEC? Because I think Greg Sankey came out very early, and he was like, hey, we're going to delay. We're gonna like kind of let the facts come in a little bit more see what we can learn and then the big 10 go well ivy league i guess comes in first and they postpone then the big 10 then the pack 12 was there ever a thought in the sec coach's mind uh that this was potentially not going to happen or were you guys

understanding that the sec was going to make something happen regardless no i think i think there were times that we didn't think it was going to happen. I'll speak for myself. There were times that I didn't. I thought when it first started, I was like, there's no way, because we didn't know everything we know now. How are we going to ever do meetings if everybody's going to get it? We used to think that everybody got it no matter what,

if you were around people. So I did not think for a while it would because I didn't understand, you know, at first it was like, well, if a quarterback gets it, all the quarterbacks are going to get shut down, you know, for tracing. And so how would you ever play? And then all of a sudden you're in the middle of the week. And certainly in the NFL, I didn't think it was going to play because, you know, you got 53 guys.

You got some people have two quarterbacks, some have three. So if they get shut down, what are you going to do? But obviously, we've learned a lot more since then. What have been the protocols? And what have you guys learned that that won't happen? Because I feel like that is still a thought that me as an outsider who's not in the building kind of thinks. Because you see what happened to the Marlins.

In the Marlins situation where they got 22 people got in, that's allegedly because of two guys making one mistake and then it kind of spreading rather quickly. What is the protocol that is like, hey, if one person gets it, let's make sure that everybody else doesn't get it? Because I think from the outside looking in, I assume that was the case as well, which is what you guys thought before you got into the protocols. Yeah, they're still going back and forth on that.

As of now, if you have a contact, you know, that they deem that you had, you know, too much time within six feet, you know, you're shut down for 14 days. And so we're going through that now, you know, we'll get, we'll get a test back in the morning, and, you know, a safety will be down, and then they'll talk to him and talk to the people around him and shut down two or three more.'ve got practice in an hour. So, you know, this isn't 100%. We've still got a ways to go to get through this because there are some teams right now in the SEC, I heard from two coaches today, that there's no way they could play if they had a game this week. That's alarming, I think, because what, we're only like a week and a half? Yeah. Week and a half out, two weeks out, whatever it is for the SEC.

What is the, is it testing multi-times a week? Like what have been the, because we get a chance to see hard knocks the first couple episodes where they show the guys getting tested every time they go in there. And then in the locker room, there's like plexiglass between it. It's like hockey boards and every single thing. Then there's Zoom calls and spread out meetings. Is that how you guys have been operating as well? Similar.

You know, not quite as much stuff, but we are similar. We're spaced out. You know, we do, you know, multiple meetings for like special teams. You know, defense goes in, then offense goes in. We've got to repeat the meetings and do a lot of stuff out in the indoor so they're spread out. So it's still got a ways to go. You know, I mean, we've got all kinds of issues still.

You know, talk about airplanes and travel to the game and the buses to the airport, and they're going to test three times a week, and you get tested on Friday, and you have it. Well, isn't the whole row with you and the row in front and the row behind going to get shut down? So there's still some obstacles here. How do you focus on making 18 to 23-year-olds, sometimes 17, I guess, coming in,

focus on getting better at football while also stressing to them how much they have to worry about standing too close to one of their best friends all the time? How do you balance that? That has to be quite a task, I assume. Well, we got more issues than professional sports. You know, they're more mature, and for the most part, their point sounds like they're kind of on lockdown. You know, we got a whole other issue that our kids leave us. They do well around us, you know, for a couple hours a day,

and then they're out in the streets. You know, they're in class. They're, you know, at restaurants and stuff. And the problem is, in general, not just kids. Look at adults. Adults don't really social distance. When you look at the internet all day or you see things or drive downtown, adults aren't doing it.

So kids certainly aren't. So they've got to do their best to do it, even though most of the students that are around, they're not doing it. Lane, what a situation you're in. Hey, hey, go coach football. Go coach football, Lane. Go coach football. By the way, you had no spring practice, so you couldn't work with your players.

Okay, and now we actually don't have a training camp because everything is pushed back. Everyone's in school now for the most part, so we only have them a couple hours a day but hey make sure you go beat alabama what did you that's let's talk about alabama obviously coaching down there is something that a lot of people do whether it's either in between head coaching gigs or before head coaching gigs if you go there you're going to get a head coaching job there was always like this interesting kind of narrative about you and Saban's relationship. What did you take away from your time at Alabama,

and what do you carry into your day-to-day from there? You mean at the rehab university? Yeah, everybody, everybody. You go there for rehab, you get fixed, and then they, you know, good behavior. I wasn't great behavior. I had to go three years. What did you learn at rehab, Coach? Really, seriously, though, he really to be more of a CEO.

You know, I was always X's and O's and always worried about that and, you know, spent all my time on that and recruiting, obviously. But, you know, he does everything. So nothing happens recruiting, obviously. But, you know, he does everything. And so nothing happens in that building. Nothing happens on offense, defense, special teams he doesn't know about. And he just does a phenomenal job of, you know, getting everybody on the same page. And, you know, every day, no matter whether it's July or whatever it is, is about Alabama football and how he can make it better.

So whenever you know that you're back in the same conference, and I would assume the expectations at Ole Miss is, hey, we want to be the top of the SEC. To do that, you have to beat Alabama. What does your team have to do, you think, to get back into the prominence of the SEC? Not that it hasn't been for, you said, five years ago when the Sugar Bowl, but what does the Ole Miss team have to do to continue to grow to get back into that?

Well, there's obviously work to be done. They don't, you know, jobs don't come open, you know, and people get fired because everything's perfect. So, you know, we've got some roster issues with some depth issues. Now, when we looked at the job compared to some other jobs, you know, one of the big thing was there's some really good youth, as you mentioned, on offense, you know, some receivers, you know, an elite quarterback. The starting running back was a true freshman in that class also. So there are some really good players here, especially young,

but we've got a lot of work to do to build it to where it's, you know, a championship program, you know, so now your rosters look like, like you know Alabama or Auburn or LSU you said when you're looking there as opposed to other places in comparison did you ever think about getting back into the NFL or is it always you feel like college is your home you think I do I enjoy it a lot more um you know a lot of coaches like the NFL more you know because you got so much time in off seasonseason and stuff like that. Well, I don't care about that. I really like the changes. I mean, I like the change of season. So you do football, then you've got recruiting, you know, and you're working with younger kids.

And the one thing I didn't like about the NFL, as you would know, is I felt like, you know, 15 minutes after the game, you could walk in a locker room, you know, after minutes after the game, you could walk in a locker room, you know, after the coach was done talking and you really couldn't tell if they won or lost. I understand that because there's so many games and it's a business, but it's so cool in college. You know, you got kids crying after losses and stuff like, I mean, it's so cool. And remember in the NFL, when you're drafted, they choose you. You don't choose them.

So you don't really have a passion for the place you play, like the city, you know, the team. You know, you develop that, but you don't have that. Well, you choose your college. So the kids in general a lot of times choose somewhere they grew up wanting to play and have a passion for, so it just means more. Man, I never even thought of that. Never even thought.

By the way, this is probably why you do well everywhere is because you can paint a hell of a picture. Lane, you were talking about learning from Alabama and Saban to be more of a CEO, but obviously your career has been on the offensive side of the ball, being an offensive coordinator. So how hard is it as the CEO to give up some responsibilities as far as calling plays and stuff like that? Are you always going to call plays? No, I to give up some responsibilities as far as like calling plays or stuff like that? Are you always going to call plays?

No, I've given up some of that. And you really can't, you really have to if you're going to do everything. And I think when you do that, you connect with your other players better on the other side, but you also manage the game better. You know, when I was calling as the head coach, like all the plays and doing it all myself,

you know, I'm over there making adjustments while the defense is out on the field I may not even see a penalty that happened or see something that I can help them with you know so I think that you do a lot better job this way. Game situations are such a underrated part of a talent of a head coach or not like clock management timeout management everything like that i mean there is there's some coaches are really good at it and some coaches are really bad at it and i would assume if you're calling plays you can't be as dialed in on making the right decision for the entire team because all you're worried about is how this offense is going to do that's that's probably a big decision though for you to kind of let up the reins on that

i would assume that was a pretty that's tough to make yeah but like you said the game management no as you said there's good and bad and there's some really bad game managers in college people get away with i've never understood this i see things that blow my mind and in college they get away with it in the nfl i mean you get killed in the nfl afterwards and the papers next day or something you know, they're on it, but I don't know why that is in college. They really, the announcers kind of let it go and the media does too. So, but obviously it's a value. I mean, you're a win or lose one or two games a year based off of, if you know what to do in every single situation.

And if you practice those things with your team, not just know what to do. Your entire life, you knew you were going to be a coach. I did. I just always, when I grew up, I looked at the game different. You know, I'm not saying I didn't want to be an NFL player, but when I watched the game, I was most intrigued by the coaches because I was watching, here's some old guy on the sidelines, you know, that he's affecting the outcome of the game based off of what he's choosing to do and that just was like

so cool to me that you could outthink the other guy so you're going to be the old guy on the sideline that's going to be you at some point well this isn't like my fifth head coaching job hey i went through the wikipedia i went through the wikipedia and i'll tell you what that song bitch is long i mean it is a long one but it feels like you feel like you're in the perfect spot for you right now. I do. And so my career kind of went backwards from what it normally does. And so I think what happens when you do that, you get so much so early. You make mistakes, but you're making them on the national stage.

You're a head coach in the NFL, or you're at USC or Tennessee, where most people are making those mistakes, you know, at whatever, you know, Coach Saban at Toledo or something, making those mistakes. And then you learn, you know, and then you finally get the big job. So I kind of went backwards on that. So – but valuable lessons and, I mean, how can you have better experience to be all those different places and work with all those different players and coaches?

It's really – It's really awesome. Resilient is something that I would describe you as because I think there was like three different times where you were pronounced dead by everybody. The USC thing is a story that got blown up because of how it went, and everybody was like, well, he'll never get a coach. He's dead, he's dead, he's dead. And then now here you are years later, feel feel mature feel better than you've ever felt that's a pretty

cool that's pretty cool little arc that you have going on in your life right now yeah it really is you know um there's a book i refer to obstacles away by ryan holiday and he sent it to me when i got to know him and it's exactly that Something you think may be horrible at the time, which I thought, I thought I was dead. Fired on a tarmac at 3.14 in the morning or something like that. It'll make you feel real good. That's tough. Oh, by the way, you're three and two.

It ain't like you're 0 and 5. You can't blame the scholarship players and get whacked. But really what you figure out later on is, hey, if that didn't happen, as hard as it was, I would have never went to Alabama and learned from Coach Saban for those three years. So you never know. Horrible things happen.

But you think of the time, maybe the best thing. I agree. I got arrested at like 4.05 a.m. or something like that for an alleged incident, public intoxication. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly allegedly swam definitely drunk I mean so I mean you kind of got to balance it out there what's up Connor uh yeah coach uh Pat mentioned the Egg Bowl early on and that's your guys's rival Mississippi State who also have a new coach and Mike Leach and earlier on he actually pulled your mask off

at a press conference was that the beginning of the rivalry and did you talk any to him after no because that's just him that's like what he does as you know so I walked up I hadn't seen him like for a year or something he just pulled my mask and but you realize that's just like that's leachy that's what he does so um he's an interesting character I call I call when I call him you know check in on him he's always just like. I call him. When I call him, you know, check in on him. He's always just like in Key West. I'm like, don't we like have a game in a couple of weeks? He was supposed to come on our show, and he called in two and a half hours late. Right?

It was two and a half hours late. And just, hey, I'm here for the show or whatever. It was supposed to be like literally a half hours late, right? It was two and a half hours late, and just, hey, I'm here for the show or whatever. It was supposed to be literally three hours ago, Coach. Oh, I'm sorry. All right, we've got to reschedule. Let's move forward. It was legendary, obviously, as are you. I can't thank you enough for joining us today, Coach.

What do you got today? Are we in the middle of training camp right now? Are we in the middle of practices? Yeah, we're in the middle of practices. We actually, today's a day off with players. You know, we got different rules now because we're 25 practices over 40 days. So they have mandatory days off in there. So, you know, they have a day off and we're taking some of them

and some coaches over with some local police to go have a meeting. Nice. So just get ready for practice tomorrow. How do you feel real, I don't want to say burden, but responsibility to do something like that with your players going to meet with the police to make actual change as opposed to just talking about it? I feel like that is something that you,

especially because college football is a place where it brings all cultures together. I mean, college football is a place that I went into that locker room and I learned more about life in the world in that locker room than I think anybody who doesn't get a chance would ever learn in their entire life to get in that locker room. I would feel like with the world that we're in, there's a real responsibility amongst you and the staff to be like,

hey, we should probably enact some real change. Yeah, there is. This one's part to make sure that we know we marched the other day that you know the local police understand that wasn't about them you know we don't we don't have those issues here in oxford um you know with police so it was about things going on around the country so to make sure that they understand they hear from us and hear from the players yeah it's always you know i hope the world becomes the perfect place, but, man, there's always going to be a couple assholes. I just hope we can weed them out, especially from a position of power.

I think that would make a lot of things better. But, Coach, I appreciate you so much. You are the man. Hope to get to talk to you again. Can't wait to see how you balance these protocols. It should be great. Go win some games. Beat Alabama.

Head Coach, Lincoln. Woo! calls it should be great go win some games beat alabama head coach cool guy cool guy yeah we like lane yeah oh yeah we like we like lane oh yeah somebody called out what was it called a call to go to rehab yeah bam's rehab then you hear he was talking about how he was thrown into the deep end basically right like he was in the deep end i i'm learning these things that where nick saban toledo even said like uh he even said where nick saban oh toledo that's right that's where he learned where he was supposed to do what he was supposed to do good for that guy he was pronounced dead oh yeah numerous times he said i thought i was dead 3 18 in the morning or something like that on tarmac would have loved to to know him during his Robert Downey Jr. years, though, before Bama. I mean, I'm sure he was full of it.

Yeah. You know, sometimes you get humbled by things. Maybe I assume that has probably happened to him. Yeah. But if you're that young and you get thrown into a head coaching gig at where? Tennessee, USC, and the Raiders? He started with Oakland, and then he did Tennessee, USC, then he went to Bama, then FAU.

How old was he? Was he in his 20s or was he in his early 30s? He was 45 now, and Oakland was was 2007 so it's 13 years 32 ish wow that's like right I mean that's Sean McVay yeah younger than that's why I'm very surprised that McVay's been able to handle it all because he's so young to go to the top so fast but I would assume that that 31 years old 31 was the one who got hired i mean if you have a little you know if you have a little swag which i assume wayne kiffin had your head coach at 31 it'd be hard probably not to be like yeah fuck everybody basically which i heard he was like

and now he's kind of grown through all that growing pains and now he's on his up and go maybe i hope that ole mist does well i like wayne kiffin and when he got hired from oakland like he had never been a head coach before. He was just the OC at USC. So he just went straight from the OC at USC for one year to Oakland Raiders. By the way, Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah.

Cliff Kingsbury. Now he was the offensive coordinator for a long time down there in Texas. And head coach. What's that? He was head coach too, right? Yeah, he was head coach. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're right. You're right. You're 100% right. What about a coordinator in college? The closest thing to that would be what oh the floor who was just coordinated to tennessee and nate wasn't even on a thing he becomes head coach but he was still in the nfl so he had dealt with the grown men before has anybody else who's just been a college offensive coordinator go straight to head coach i'd assume not definitely not at that tomlin was a defense he was on the defensive staff for the Vikings. Yeah, he was.

I mean, that's crazy to hire a 31-year-old, too, if he's never had any coaching experience before coaching an NFL team. I mean, that is a roll of the dice. That is a roll of the dice. It's Oakland, baby. All right, let's get it. Ball, at that point, what are we doing? Just doing check down? Join us now.

A man who is a two-time two-time super bowl champion he's a super bowl mvp nfl mvp three-time pro board three-time all pro two-time nfl offensive player of the year he's a member of the all decade team broncos ring of honor and founder of defy performance incredible cbd sports drinks ladies, joining us, the founder of the Mile High Salute, Terrell Davis. What's up, gentlemen? What's up? Hey, man, what time was our call this morning? Somebody told me 11 o'clock.

No, we were told 1.30. I was about to just ask you, what time does this 1.30 call start? I was literally about to ask you, what time does this 1.30 call start? I know. Pat, that's what I say.30 call? I know. Pat, that's what I say to my family

and my wife. I'll be like, hey, what time is that 10.30 call? What time is that 9 o'clock now? I was just preparing myself some nice egg whites. I was preparing myself a little turkey bacon. A little protein shake

here. I'm just trying to get my protein intake up this morning, gentlemen. And then I just finished off a nice cold Defy Zero. That's what you need after you walk in. Yeah. Got to put that in your system. Now, what flavor of Defy Zero did you top off that incredible protein meal with? I had the lemonade this morning. Oh, that's our favorite.

Yeah, the lemonade's our favorite, T. Yeah, the lemonade this morning. Oh, that's our favorite. The lemonade's our favorite, T. Yeah, the lemonade this morning. Running back is a terrible position to be in right now, especially when it comes business-wise. Now, football game-wise, running backs are always going to matter, especially in games that are important. Run the ball, stop the run is all that matters in December, January, and February. Everybody thinks it's the other way around,

which potentially it is because Patrick Mahomes had success, but they have to have a running game to do that. Alvin Kamara, obviously a topic of conversation I'd like to talk to you about, but I want to talk to you about Leonard Fournette's mindset. Leonard Fournette gets cut from a team that was a sinking ship, but whenever we start thinking about Leonard Fournette's career, his first year had a hell of a year. Second year, he was hurt for half the season.

Last year, he had 1,700 yards, accounted for 31% of the Jacksonville Jaguars' offense. It feels like Leonard Fournette's only getting better. Now he's going to a team where every practice matters, every rep matters, every film study matters. Everything matters that they're going for the Super Bowl as opposed to Jacksonville. Is that something you think that could potentially elevate

Leonard Fournette to be an even better player than he's already becoming? And he's on a contract here. Yeah, there's no question about it. I mean, think about it. When he was in Jacksonville, you know, he just wasn't surrounded by a lot of, you know, talent, at least recently, right? They started to kind of get rid of the roster.

He was with Bortles, you know, a couple of years. Last year, they just had quarterbacks. Gardner Minshew, obviously, is now taking over as the head quarterback. But Fortnette has kind of been the bell cow. He's been the workhorse. And the offense has always gone through him. And it seems like they haven't designed or gotten him a lot of help on the outside or try to get more of an explosive offense,

now you go to a place where you're not the main focus. You know, when they play a team, you play Jacksonville, it's stop Leonard Fournette. It's always been that way. Well, now, and this is almost criminal in how they can allow this to happen. I remember the commissioner of the NBA, when there was a Chris Paul paul trade and he jumped

in and said nope we're not allowing him to go to the lakers because it just for whatever reason i get it linda fournette was released he cleared waivers and he was able to sign with the tampa bay bucks but wow man the the the embarrassment of of talent and riches that they have right now it's it's incredible you know and so his role and he's a young back he's only 25 years old he's only played three years you know so he's not like an old back that's been you know is in his eighth or ninth year linda fournette is in his prime right now. And you got him, Sean McCoy. Ronald Jones. You know, Ronald Jones, who it seems to be coming around. What this allows them to do, Pat, and you know this more than anybody,

this allows them to be able to play multiple games. Brady's used to having an offense in New England that morphed every single week. Their game plan was based off their opponent. Sometimes you see the Patriots run it 40 times a game. Sometimes they'll throw it 50 times a game. Now you got Tampa Bay who have not only the game plan, but they got the pieces. They got the pieces that are going to allow them to execute their game plan i can't wait man i can't lie i can't wait well it's just like if you think about the chiefs i mean the chiefs last year they

have so many weapons and andy reed was just on a dry erase board just like drawing up plays it feels like bruce aaron's going to be able to do that with tom brady's mindset with tom moore who's there clyde christians i mean they have a great coaching staff now they have a great team a lot of people have a lot to prove, chips on their shoulders somehow, the chasing rings, whatever it is. I mean, it feels like those two are potentially on paper on a collision course. Real quick, before we continue, is that your head above your head right there? That's a good buzz.

That is my head above my head. Oh, what a flex. Yeah, that's the bust right there. That's my guy I talk to every morning. I was about to say, is this the living room? Is this the office? Because I think that would just potentially be on a cart next to me everywhere I go. I would have that thing everywhere.

Yeah, it's the office, man. I just broke his mind. He was in a box for the last two years, two or three years. Poor guy. Yeah, I know. He wanted me to bring him out. So I was like, I'll bring you out. I'll let you breathe a little bit, you know?

There's some people whose busts are terrible. Do you like yours? Do you enjoy the way yours looks? Do you think it's pretty accurate? Yeah, well, because when they had it done, my mom and my were uh they were like on it so the way it works is that once you when you get it um you get in shrine not a shrine once you get inducted they um they have the artists i guess they call them or the bus maker whatever the proper name would be right and they actually make it and then they show you they they let you see it. And they say, well, if you have any comments, do you want to make any corrections?

Then you can do it. And so they come out and they, you know, you stand there for a couple hours. And my wife was in the room and my mom was in a room when they were doing it. My wife was in the room first. And then the second, once they did it, and then they had, they have like three or four different, you know, times where they have like three or four different times where they make these adjustments. So long story short, yes, I like it.

It looks pretty accurate to me. There is some bad ones. What is that, Cristiano Ronaldo? Deion Sanders I think is not great. I think that one is one that people say does not look anything like it. But if you have a bust, that means you've done pretty good, I think. Did all right. Yeah, did all right.

Yeah. Do you think Alvin Kamara and the Saints are going to be able to figure it out down there? That is an interesting situation because next offseason, there's like 13 premier running backs that are all going to be free agents. So you saw Dalvin Cook try to get an extension. You're seeing Alvin Kamara try to get an extension. Leonard Fournette just signed for one year, so he remains on the free agent list for next year.

I don't think he has any leverage, and I hate that. I like whenever players have leverage. But in that particular situation, I think Alvin Kamara's literally got no situation. He's just got to hope that the Saints do right by him and give him an extension. Yeah, Pat, it's unfortunate. When you saw Joe Mixon get paid as well the other day, and give him an extension. Yeah, Pat, it's unfortunate.

We just saw Joe Mixon get paid as well the other day. And the numbers, listen, I'm not going to look at a contract and say $12 million a year is nothing. I mean, please believe I'd love to have made $12 million a year. So that's just me on the couch. But when you look at it in terms of kind of the um the market and where running back should be you know i think christian mccaffrey signed for an average of 16 million a year um then you had um derrick henry i think he's averaging around is it 14 yeah and only 23 million is guaranteed though over the next two years yeah so these contracts aren't – you're not going to see the big, long contracts anymore.

I think those days of running backs getting long contracts are over. I think it's trying to get as much as you can up front. But back to Alvin Kamara's situation, yeah, I mean, I hope you're right. You know, hopefully the team is looking at it saying, hey, you know, we value you. We appreciate what you've done for us and what you're going to do for us, and we're going to do right by you and be able to get him what he wants. It sounds like they're getting closer to the size of Green on a number. I don't know what that number is.

But maybe like Dalvin Cook, like he's still battling with his situation. So it's messy, man. Did you ever have any messy negotiations whenever you were out there? Because you're like Mr. Denver, it feels like. You are Mr. Bronco. I mean, this thing is still played, I think, 16 times a year or whatever for the Denver Broncos. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think you were a first-round draft pick.

I think you kind of had to come in and earn your way special teams. Did you get any negotiation ugliness throughout your time out there in Denver? I did not, thank God. So you're right, I was a six-round draft pick. And what happened after my first year, I was a six-round draft pick, and Mike Shanahan and Pat Bowenand and it was john beak at the time came to me after my first year and they wanted to redo my deal um so that was perfect i didn't have to hold out or anything because i was i didn't expect them to do that so after my first

year they redid my contract and then after my fourth after my after we had won uh the second super bowl they came they came to me again and we redid the deal again so oh yeah super bowls kind of blend together super bowls kind of blend together huh yeah that's kind of yeah yeah yeah one two i mean who's counting yeah yeah go ahead did you actually saw this week and had no idea that anthony lynn was on those super bowl teams like so when like you have a team like that who turns into a head coach, did you guys, when you play with them, have any idea that that's what they aspire to, that he was going to be a head coach someday? No.

Heck no. No. There was zero indication that he would have been a head coach. I mean, a coach, I had no indication that he even wanted to coach until he had retired and then he became the running backs coach. I believe his first team was the Cleveland Browns, or maybe it was the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, but until then, no.

People always ask about, like, did you know he was a coach? I was like, no, not really. I didn't see it. He never told anybody he know he was a coach i was like no not really i didn't i didn't see he never he never told anybody he wanted to be a coach and i don't even think he knew it at the time to be honest with you i think coaching is my fact but what i understand is that when bill parcells brought him in uh and kind of told him he had a job for him i don't think anthony lynn told him he wanted to be a coach i think Parcells saw something in him and was like, hey, I got a job for you. You know, Romeo Cornell is in Cleveland.

We're going to give, you know, I want you to go work for him. And so I think that kind of got him started. He's been awesome to learn about. He's phenomenal, man. I love the hard knocks. I love that, man. I like watching that, kind of getting the personalities of the players if you're not around them.

It just takes me back to that moment, man. You know, that locker room is precious. It's a place you can't recreate outside of sports. And when you're gone and you're not there anymore, it's the one thing that most players tell you they miss. They miss that environment. They miss joking around with the the players going to a specific place and just having your time with your buddies put in the work and then ultimately you're trying to fight for a common goal but it's the it's the times off the field

in the locker room when uh are the most memorable times that i can think of yeah and i think that's why a lot of ex-players like hard Knocks more than the public does. I mean, the public, I guess nobody's watching. I'm not happy. I am not happy. No one's watching it? Wait, no one's watching Hard Knocks? I get it. That is, I don't know. Literally, I don't think so. Yeah, every time I, so the way

I gauge things is, if I tweet about it or talk about it, what's the reaction? Like, are the same amount of people? And this year, more so than any other, there's been not not so like i literally wow yeah it's kind of become a buzzkill you would you would think this would be the year because there is not i mean there's there's more live programming coming back online but you would think more than any year that more people watching television um at least watching some form of reality TV, right? That's associated with sports and none?

Okay. Well, I mean, everybody's saying you're watching on demand or whatever, but it still does not. I mean, I think the people that watch it love it, and then I think the people are like, ah, kind of moving on from it. What are you doing TV-wise this fall? Are you still with NFL Network? Yeah, I'm with the network,

and we're doing everything from home until they tell us differently. on for a while. What are you doing TV-wise this fall? Are you still with NFL Network? Yeah, I'm with the network, and we're doing everything from home until they tell us differently. Oh, is that why Big Bus came out? Like, hey, you had to flex on NFL Network there? That's funny, because that's Hall of Fame City over there. I'm going to change that back. I'm going to change that. No, no, keep him in there.

He deserves to be in there. I'm going to put something else back there. No, no. Maybe the three Super Bowls. Maybe you put the Super Bowl rings up there. I'm going to put something else back there. No. Maybe the three Super Bowls. Maybe he puts the Super Bowl rings up there. Yeah, maybe I'll put a Lombardi trophy back there. That's awesome. That trophy is going to be renamed, by the way.

It's going to be called the Belichick. When he retires, they're going to take that name because that man is. Hey, best coach of all time, huh? No questions asked. take that name because that that man is a best coach of all time huh no questions asked so the question to me is like what happens if they if let's say tampa wins it not tampa excuse me new england wins the super bowl this year to me there has to be they have to forget the bylaws of the five-year waiting period to name he'd be the first active coach that didn't have to go through the five-year waiting period

they'd have to change the bylaws of the pro football hall of fame and put that man in a hall of fame right now hey if the patriots would never have to win it the patriots go to the playoffs they need to go ahead and change that well i think all of i don't think bill belichick would accept it if it just happened after a playoff and i feel like that is why the man is the man he's just it feels like he I feel like that is why the man is the man. He's just, it feels like he's always cooking. And now that the Dynasty is releasing some information, that book that was released yesterday about Tom and Bill's relationship

and how, you know, he was called fucking Johnny Foxborough, is what they said that you called him up there. Yeah, there's a new book out there, a guy named Jeff Benedict, who is a bit long-winded if you talk to him in person, but I guess his books are odd. We had him on the show yesterday td it was i mean it was wow it was tough but the book is uh detailing the relationship between bill and tom and craft having the dynamic of it all and he literally coached tom as if he was a rookie and he coaches everybody as if they're rookies all the way up until like his 20th year six super bowls later and the fact that he's able to do that get people to buy in and now if he does it in a completely different fashion with

a new offense i would assume with cam newton because he's going to be able to utilize whatever cam newton strengths are i think the people who are doubters of him would have to come around and be like yeah son of a bitch is good i mean he's the greatest of all time the guy's the greatest of all time he's so good at coaching football. Do you know, I don't know anybody who doubts the man. Do you have anybody who doubts? Yeah, yeah. You got to remember here in Indianapolis, there's a lot of people that hate him. I mean, oh yeah, yeah. Pittsburgh,

a lot of people. They'll point to all the videotapes. They'll point to the flake gates and all that, you know. Whatever they've done and didn't get caught doing, I guess, is what people will point to and say, well, they're cheaters. I'm like, well, hey, I know I tried to cheat.

What was that? Hey, that was the people, by the way. That was the people. That might have been the Boston Pauls. But, yeah, you're right. And I think that's why players and coaches who have been in the nfl have a much different view on bill belichick in those all those spy gates and everything like that it's like well if any other team could have done it they would have done it like that is

that's kind of i think how a lot of players and coaches who've been in the nfl kind of view they're like uh yeah if if we could have got away with that we would have done that in a heartbeat we just didn't think of it no doubt yeah that's just no doubt i think we've all tried it we try to we've all tried to push push the envelope try to push the limits on especially when it comes to like when they say like let's say the brain the football thing i i have no problems with that just because when we get ready to play a game you see guys who cut their pads. Matter of fact, you're supposed to have pads in your pants. And there's a lot of guys who don't have pads in their pants.

And so you don't think they have an advantage when it comes to speed and movement and how they feel? Yeah, you feel better. And so linemen taping up their jerseys, putting Vaseline all on their arms. You know, there's all kind of techniques that players use on the field to gain an advantage so they feel better, so they can play better. A quarterback deflating the ball to where he feels like he can grip it, so what?

So what? I was on that Colts team. TD, if those balls were fully inflated we don't lose by 50 hold up but wait pat if i recall that game you guys were at the second half was worse than the first okay all right if i recall hey you know why now the beat now was worse in the second half with a fully inflated football. Do you know why we hated that the Flakegate was carrying on for like two years as Colts players? Because we were like, we don't think this is a big deal.

We did not say anything about this. And now every single time it gets brought up, we just get reminded that in the AFC championship game, we lost by 200 points. If we could move on from this entire thing, it would be great. Nothing carried on for so, so, so long. TD, you think the Denver Broncos are going to win it all? No, I don't think they'll win it all. I think for them, it's taking steps. I do love where they are.

I just love how they retooled. I love Drew Locke. This might be premature in my praise for him, but I've seen everything I need to see from a young quarterback, a rising star, right? And then, listen, I'm not comparing him to Patrick Mahomes. It sure sounds like it. No, but here's what I am comparing him to, Patrick, is that swag and that infectious personality.

One where the players, they see it and they respond to it. When he takes the field and when he's back there, they play different. They played differently when he was in there. And they know he's got the physical talents to be able to execute and get them to football and his his confidence level is through the roof he's you know he drives what he he is he's connected with them or he on a level that's that's that to me it's next level stuff right it's like it's it's already there like don't catch me when you when you mention drew lock's name to any of those guys on that team, man, the first reaction you get is a smile.

That's good news. You get a smile and a handshake like, man. And that's good. Now, he's got to obviously grow in a lot of departments, but that's just being a young quarterback. But football-wise, he knows his stuff. He's been at missouri man he played in all kind of offenses and stuff and had to really learn it seemed like an offense every

single year so the small sample size that i saw from him last year i'm encouraged that that continues and then you add all the weapons you get you know jerry judy in the drive you get kj hamler you know you have no offense. You still have Cortland Sutton. And then you give me Melvin Gordon and Phillip Lindsey. So they're a young team too, Pat. They're young. So let's just – that's why I say I want to see another step this year. If they can get to me 10 wins this year, 9, 10 wins,

then I'm pleased to see them get 9 or 10 wins. That video of him rapping on the bench, okay? Yeah. As soon as I saw that video, everybody was like talking about how cool it was, and I was like, that guy's got it. That guy. And I think it's viewing something differently. It's like if you're that comfortable, by the way,

and that radiates through the locker room like for everybody. And you can't really teach that type of thing. But as soon as I saw the video, I was like, oh, Drew Locke, like this guy has got it. And then he answered. He's got it. And he didn't even know what happened, he said, in the press conference afterwards. It's like that guy's got it, and I hope he figures it out.

Yeah, I agree. He's being himself. And no other position can have that impact on the team other than that one, which is because that's the one. I'm looking forward to seeing him play. Go ahead, D.D. Have you heard anything how they're going to handle the backfield with

Phillip Lindsey and Melvin Melvin Gordon? What I've heard was it's probably going to be based off kind of week-to-week deal. And the reason is Mel like, you know, Melvin's probably going to be the main guy

because I think just physically he's, you know, he's a bigger guy, kind of guy you start off with, and you don't fill up Lindsey in the mix. But it's probably going to dictate, you know, if you get into a game and Melvin gets hot, yeah, he'll probably get the bulk of the touches. If Phillip Lindsey gets hot, you know, if you get into a game and Melvin gets hot, yeah, he'll probably get the bulk of the touches. If Phillip Lindsey gets hot, you know, he'll get the bulk of the touches. But I know they certainly want to stretch the field.

They want to be a more explosive offense. And that's why they brought in Pat Shurmur to kind of get this offense to be one that is, you know, you have to compete with the Kansas City's of this world. And that's why, you know, the days of going defensively, going defensive and saying we don't hold a team to 20 points, that strategy against Kansas City may not work. So you got to fight fire with fire, man. Well, time of possession does not matter.

Bruce Aaron said it this morning. I don't care how long we got. I just want to know what we're doing with it. Well, time of possession does not matter. Bruce Aaron said it this morning. I don't care how long we got it. I just want to know what we're doing with it. That is all I care about. And I think everybody's viewing that, especially with the Kansas City Chiefs. Now the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are loaded up. It's an offensive league. That's just the way it is.

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