The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 259 - NFL Week 3 Recap, Stephen Gostkowski, Dan Orlovsky, Mark Sanchez, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 28, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys recap week 3 of the NFL and all the storylines dominating the league, plus look ahead to Monday Night Football. First, 12 Year NFL QB, current co-host of NFL Live on ESPN, friend of the program, Dan Orlovsky joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about everything during week 3 of the NFL. They cover tonight's Chiefs/Ravens game, how good Russell Wilson has been, why Dan thinks Aaron Rodgers looks better than he has in 5 years, why he thinks Josh Allen is the MVP right now, and what the problem with Carson Wentz and the Eagles is (23:07-37:30). Next, 3x Super Bowl Champion, 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, member of the NFL and Patriots 2010 All-Decade Teams, and current Kicker for the Tennessee Titans, Stephen Gostkowski, joins the show. Pat and Stephen chat about him bouncing back from a tough week 1 and having a career week 3 after going 5-5 including a game winner, what he did to correct things after week 1, and how weird it is kicking with no fans (43:03-52:34). Later, ESPN NFL and College Analyst, 5th overall pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, and friend of the program, Mark Sanchez joins the show. Pat and Mark chat about the situation with the Jets and how he feels bad for Sam Darnold considering he was in a similar position, his thoughts on the Mitch Trubisky situation, the hardest hit he ever took in the NFL, and much more (52:36-1:16:59). The show closes with another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ recap everything from the NFL weekend, plus take a few listener calls. Be sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow as we close in on 1 million subscribers and a $100,00 giveaway, and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, SiriusXM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Tonight, they're calling it the game of the year, possibly, saying this could look like the Los Angeles Rams Chiefs Monday night spectacle from a couple years ago the Chiefs and the Ravens will battle tonight for AFC supremacy the reigning Super Bowl champs travel over to Baltimore why be less when you could be more there will be no crowd which is normally a wild atmosphere in baltimore so will that kind of even the playing field a little bit well the kansas city chiefs who are currently getting points yes the kansas city chiefs who were once described as on this particular show uncompete with the bull currently getting points

at vandal sportsbook tonight against the baltimore ravens and lamar jackson who won an mvp last year and somehow looks even better than he did last year they lost marshall yonda found a replacement somehow you can never replace marshall yonda but their offense has been more efficient than it's ever been the defense has been stingy but will that defense be able to live up to a Kansas City Chiefs offense that got humbled in Los Angeles just a week ago against Air Bear we'll talk about that we'll talk about who we like who we don't like what's going to happen tonight Vandal's offering up a free $10 single game parlay if you win you can make thousands of dollars and if you lose they'll give you the ten dollars back we'll talk about what you should be hammering for that also we have to talk about the day that was

yesterday in the nfl a lot of surprises some comeback wins some teams are completely dead we'll talk about all of them what coaches should be walking to the car, hopping inside of it, and driving as far away from the fucking facility as they can? There's a couple of them already. There's a couple coaches that maybe saved their job. One out there in the desert on a horse named Prater maybe potentially saved his job out in Arizona. We'll talk about Kyler Murray, who was in the MVP conversation

all the way up until yesterday. Now he'll probably falter off a little bit, but he can bounce back. Still a young guy. We'll talk about Aaron Rodgers, who's coming on the show tomorrow. We'll talk to Aaron Rodgers about going down to New Orleans,

down the Superdome, using a hard count against him on the road, getting to the jump off sides right before he was going to call a timeout, it seemed. Boom, making a play, winning the whole damn game looking very comfortable against a stout new orleans defense that he made look rather amateur and when you have aaron jones running the ball so damn well which aaron

jones is that play action that aaron rogers can now because normally normally aaron rogers doesn't have the incredible gift of play action that everybody else has you You talk about any quarterback, they live with the play action. Literally, you can talk. Aaron Rodgers has not been a big play action quarterback, but now that they've got Aaron Jones in the backfield and they've got an offensive line that's creating holes, play action is now a weapon, and Aaron Rodgers is using and abusing defenses with it,

and it's been awesome to watch. Alvin Kamara has maybe the best grill I have ever seen. Smile for me, daddy, they said back in the day with Paul Wall when they were talking about grills. I'm not sure there was any grill in that music video or any grill that I have seen in my ventures around this globe that is as shiny and bright as Alvin Kamara. Hell of a football player, just couldn't beat the Packers yesterday. What a game last night it was we'll talk about that we'll talk about the Buffalo Bills either getting completely dumped on by the refs

making bad calls which a lot of people said that's what happened that's why the Rams got back into it after being down 25 points in suffering massive jet lag flying from the home of superstars and celebrities to the home of Buffalo Wings which is is like a five, six-hour trip, jet lag in the first half. Second half, they came back. They were going to win. Aaron Donald was an animal. Buffalo Bills fans said,

there's a couple penalties they didn't like. But in the end, a pass interference that a ref decided, I am going to decide the game, was called Josh Allen. And the Bills survived. Here we go. Josh Allen's in the MVP conversations. He's had a hell of a start.

We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the patriots cam newton doesn't even have his best game they beat the hell out of the las vegas raiders yep same team to beat the saints less than a week ago i mean that lot has happened there's a lot to overreact to that tone digs is here tone pittsburgh steelers reverse the curse of the super boost and that team looks very good at the football right now. And the Texans, now, you're 0-3. They have Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers. That is basically the three, everybody's saying, of the AFC. But the Texans are sitting at 0-3. You've got to be like, hey, that's no good.

Steelers fans have got to be like, we're back, baby. Big Ben's not spanking his meat anymore, and we are winning games. Good teams win. Great teams cover. Bingo. Super Bowl teams break curses that's potentially what we're looking at here with the three and oh pittsburgh a lot of people are saying that the super boost was cursed and it was a chance by the way there was a chance that it was

cursed because all my other bets seem to be hitting yes all my other bets seem to be hitting yesterday i hit again i mean i had a great day yesterday gambling but i didn't know if the super boost was going to hit then i sang a song about the song about the Pittsburgh Steelers in rendition of the, here we go, which is anywhere you go in Pittsburgh, you will hear that song saying by drunk people. It doesn't matter if you're at a pirate game, a penguin game,

you're at 2 a.m. and Mario's down there on the South side. All you need to do is walk in the bathroom with two or three injuries in there with their penises out and they're going to start screaming and twirling around and they're going to say here we go steelers here we go pittsburgh's going to the super bowl when i was in the shower yesterday morning that song hit me okay hit me right in the face wow and i even gave a here we go and it was like i was back in the bathroom of one of those

drunk places and it echoed off my bathroom. And I was like, you know what? Steelers are locking it up today. They hit, they cover James Conner scores a touchdown. Ben Roethlisberger looks good. Juju Smith Schuster is still playing good football in the defense is still outrageously good. And my thoughts and premonitions of Deshaun watson running for his life yesterday came to fruition now he danced out a couple times like a magic man like everybody has said but then there were some other times where he got got and that's gonna happen i think when he plays steels you gotta watch that tone one of the more important things yesterday was that when they were down 10 and defense actually didn't look good in the good in the first half but the offense and defense both

made adjustments which is wild normally for that team uh And they came back and didn't give up one point. Quite a shot at the Pittsburgh Steelers right there. Just the coordinators. Just the coordinators. Yeah, okay. The team. At Boston Conant. Cam Newton didn't have his greatest day,

but he had his greatest gif I've ever seen. Shout out to him. Got like 2.2 million views or something on that. Big thanks to Cam Newton for being electrifying and awesome. But the story still remains with the Patriots. 86 nights that guy was just out there floating around. And you can look around at a lot of quarterbacks playing terrible football right now. I mean, we could talk about one that got benched and ended up having big, big falls.

We could talk about one that was playing bad football, and they're undefeated right now. But you look around the NFL, there's a lot of bad football being played by some quarterbacks. And there was a guy that was just hanging out on the streets for 86 nights and now he signed for next to nothing and it feels like the Patriots love everything about him and he loves everything about being a Patriot how did Bill Belichick do it again and after this start you have to be like yeah we're in a great spot we're gonna be good for another 10 years probably yeah I feel fantastic week one the whole thought was okay Cam Newton awesome, but he needs to get down every time he runs. Now here we are after week three, and the thought is,

we need to extend this guy. He's got to be here for at least the next three years because he has so much good football left in him that if we let him walk and we go with Stidham next year, it's going to be heartbreaking. There was a lot of people saying that Cam Newton was washed, I believe. I believe a lot of the internet was saying, oh, he's washed. He's washed. he's washed.

He's old, he ain't God anymore. He had two bad seasons, you know, when he had a broken foot and a broken shoulder, which are pretty tough things to have whenever you're a quarterback in the NFL, especially his style of quarterback. He has proven that everybody that said anything about him potentially not being able to play good football anymore,

completely wrong, and he's even exceeding it and maybe playing his best football yet, and he's not even touched anything near, I would assume, what Bill, Josh, and Ernie are going to be able to do with him. You would think an extension would happen at some point, but there's no way the Patriots do that before the end of the year, do you think? I mean, we are going to have the most cap out of any team next year,

so I hope there is sort of a thought in my mind that maybe, you know, Bill realizes, hey, Cam Newton's better than what we ever had with Tom Brady. So we might as well pay the guy. You think that he's better than anything that Tom Brady has ever done? Well, look, let's just say, I mean, we ran for 250 rush yards yesterday. I think Brady checks out a half of those run plays because he wants to throw the rocker. Oh, Julian Edelman. And Julian Edelman last week had the most reception yards he's ever had in a game where was tom when that happened you know i

mean hey look cam is doing everything on the offense he's responsible for like 95 percent of our uh yards and plays and i don't think tom ever had anything like that and uh his hold on hold on hold on you you are such a what have you doneyou-done-for-me-lately person. Always. Like, you couldn't just be happy for Tom, who's having success down in Tampa. By the way, throwing the ball to Gronk on purpose on a very regular occasion to the tight end. And that offense is looking good. Offense line's looking good. Ball's coming out quick.

I mean, that team's potentially figuring out what week are we going to do. Four now. Four to six is where we all thought they were potentially going to go and now you got a guy and instead of just being like you know it worked out perfectly here we both got it now you're like ah our guy's better than any douche we had for the last 20 years absolutely our guy is the guy and that'll always be how it is but i never said i wasn't happy for tom i'm very excited for tom he's in a great situation over there he's gonna dethrone breeze that son of a bitch and really they have a shot at the super bowl what could be worse everybody's going after drew breeze man but then sunday football is like what you guys are attacking him for like yeah this is just his thing works

yeah like for the last five years he's been the shortest completer of the football in the nfl which by the way if you're sean payton you gotta feel really good about that stat because that means you're drawing up so many plays that it doesn't even matter. It's just like, yeah, here we go. We'll pick them apart by doing this. And when you've got guys like Kamara who can take a screen, basically, and, I mean, that offensive lineman McCoy out there in the front was awesome. I mean, that was absolutely awesome.

I would assume that that guy is going to get massive praise today in a lot of different things, as he should. But whenever you have that offense where you can throw the ball less than five yards down the field and be that proficient, I mean, that's on the offensive coordinator being brilliant, right? And that's probably why, I mean, he loves Drew Brees, but he's like, we can get anybody in here to do it. Tays Miller, everybody's talking about how bad he is.

Can't do a handoff right on Sunday Night Football against Packers, but I'll tell you what, he can throw about four yards if we fucking need to and that's what drew's done for the last six years and we break in we've broken every single nfl record by the way with this that's insane to think about my problem is that if drew breeze beats rogers with the weapons that rogers had everyone would be pounding the drew breeze mvp drum today but aaron rogers yet again same old story matt lafleur 16 and 33 in his first 19 starts as a head coach or whatever. I wonder if he doesn't have Aaron Rodgers, what happens? Now, granted, that's all football.

You've got to have a quarterback, right? You've got to have a quarterback. But, man, he is the best coach documented in league history. That's for sure. Matt LaFleur. The best coach in documented history. Yeah. That's far. Matt LaFleur. The best coach in documented history. Now, Matt Belichick. I'm not saying, exactly.

I'm not saying that having a great quarterback isn't essential to winning games. But if Aaron Rodgers leaves, let's say Aaron Rodgers leaves, and LaFleur stinks and he gets fired or whatever, does he get the Adam Gase treatment? Because Gase was with Peyton there whenever he was just winning, where he just gets a job for what happened. Or is this actually LaFleur? and he gets fired or whatever. Does he get the Adam Gase treatment? Because Gase was with Peyton there whenever he was just winning, where he just gets a job for what happened. Or is this actually LaFleur? We'll ask Aaron tomorrow.

We'll be like, hey, you and LaFleur, what has happened? Because this year you guys, 37 points, 35, 40 points. They're putting up so many points right now. They are in a groove. You've got to feel good as a Packers fan and maybe even think, imagine if we had one more weapon. Imagine if we maybe had a run stopper maybe if we did a little bit of that that's every single game as a packers fan because i am now

packer right because i would like to see aaron succeed because i'd like our conversations to continue to go good last night i'm watching and chris collinsworth i think alluded to it and tariko who just we didn't know i didn't know he was just doing there yeah and then they had another guy the uh post game guy stoo, doing the, what's his name? Jack Collins? No, no, not Jack. The other one. Oh, Liam McHugh.

Yeah, he was talking. And he, no offense to Liam, he does a good job. But whenever he's talking on that Football Night in America, it's like going to break or coming out of break. We come directly after that Cowboys-Seattle game, I think, right over at Football Night in America. And he's talking. I'm like, have we not got to the fucking highlights yet? Are we not getting it? And he was like, no, no, this is Liam's show right now.

Oh, Liam is – this is Liam's show right now. I thought Tariqo was dead. I'm like, has anybody – have we checked on Tariqo? And then we go right to the thing. Boom, Tariqo. Now is Al Michaels dead. Can we – Oh, no.

It was planned. This was planned throughout the season because of COVID, I believe, and all that stuff. Oh, thank God. Tariqo, very good, by the thing. Boom. Now is Al Michaels dead. Can we? Oh, no. It was planned. This was planned throughout the season because of COVID, I believe, and all that stuff. Oh, thank God. Tariqa, very good, by the way. If you're NBC, it's like, oh, it's nice we have Al Michaels like potentially greatest of all time. Oh, and also this other guy just kind of hangs out on stage whenever Liam's not doing his thing.

It was a great call by them, but they pointed it out a couple times. They're like, this team feels like they're one step away from the Super Bowl. And they didn't try to help the team at all. So that's all you've got to think about. Now, granted, it's very positive. Aaron's playing lights out, unbelievable football, all that shit, right?

Winning games, going down to New Orleans and winning down there. I mean, not easy, obviously, without the fans makes it easier. But you get it. You have to think the entire time, like, man, if they had a run stopper or another weapon, this would be, man, we'd be untouchable at this point, especially with the Niners. Everybody's getting hurt in the NFC. Drew Brees seems to be falling apart.

I mean, all these things start happening. You start looking at this as a Packers fan. You're like, we could have been even better right now, but we chose not to be, and that's a wild time for you at this time. Yeah, it is kind of hard. I mean, you can't be too mad at this point because they are 3-0. I mean, that defense, it is

just, I mean, it's like cardiac arrest every week. And I worry that eventually when it gets to the point where it's like, hey, Aaron, let's see you guys score on every possession. Okay? There is no room for error. There's no margin for error. That defense like they are they're opportunistic they get when they are creating takeaways like they're pretty good but

if they're not they're piss poor so it's kind of an issue yeah a little bit of an issue could have got better chose not to no big deal let's keep it moving how you doing um another team that got better yesterday second half roughly yeah right around roughly around five minutes in the second yeah there was like Ten minutes left in the third I think It was on the clock I believe around there Huh

This dude just came Trotting out onto the field With a fucking visor on Did you guys see this Oh yeah It was in Atlanta down there It was down there in Atlanta Really

Just came trotting in Oh the three legged guy Yes The three tripod guy Yeah Yeah the Super Bowl champion Tripod Yes

Comes waddling in With a visor all of a sudden, and then he just pick. Whoa, that was bullshit call. How is that even an interception? Is this going to break him? No, no, no, because he comes back on the field afterwards. Three touchdowns later, down 16 or something like that. Come back to win the game. He's a hero.

Oh, my God. Big Dick Nick Foles is now the QB in the midway Chicago. Bear Zito, you have to be pumped about this. Bear died. No, just like four days ago. You're like, in Mitch we trust, in Mitch we trust. Trubisky's my quarterback. Trubisky's my quarterback.

Mitch, Mitch, Mitch. Nick Foles comes in there, does exactly what Nick Foles does, and to Diggs' tweets credit, the Atlanta Falcons did exactly what the Atlanta Falcons do. Last week, they didn't know the rules. This week, it's Nick Foles. Did you think they were going to have an onside kick again? What's that? Did you think they were going to have an onside kick again?

I thought there was a chance that they were going to be able to make up for what they did a week ago, but whenever Nick Foles gets in a game, there's an energy. So, for instance, there's a guy named Frank Reich. He's currently the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts who beat the breaks off of the Jets. That might be

the worst football team I've ever seen on a television screen. I want to see the own 16 Lions versus team so bad. Well, next week we have the Clemson versus Jets talk coming. Dan Orlovsky said that his own 16 Lions team, the team that you are thinking about and the team that you are thinking about and the clip that you are thinking about is currently being aired on our screen here.

Dan's running for his life in the back of the end zone while Jared Allen's celebrating. Whatever, you get it. Dan Orlovsky said, my own 16 Lions would beat the Jets 16 times. And after watching them play the Colts yesterday, that might be true. I think I could have went in there and did some damage against that Jets team. It just looks like that whole team hates everything. They hate the coaches. They hate playing.

They hate themselves. They hate the fact that they're wearing the Jets. I mean, just everything seems bad. And, by the way, we're only three weeks into this thing. It wasn't a week ago the owners of the Jets said, Adam Gase, offensive guru, this guy's a genius. But aside from the Jets sucking, okay, you know that's going to happen. You know the Atlanta Falcons are probably going to try to fuck it up.

I mean, that's what they do. But when Nick Foles gets on the field, you know there's going to be a – Can't stop him. Frank Reich, whenever he was with the Bills, when he would come on the field, they'd be like, oh, this guy's going to go. He came back from like 28 down or 25 down a couple times. He was called Mr. Comeback for a reason. When Nick Foles comes on, you're like, holy shit, here we go.

And the interesting situation now is like Mitch Trubisky, undefeated starting quarterback. 2020 in the NFL. With Comeback. Like actually undefeated. Real life undefeated. Nick Foles undefeated. Nick Foles

you're paying more to. Nick Foles is a Super Bowl champion. We all saw what Mitch Trubisky did last year, and we have no idea what Nick Foles could potentially do, but we know that it's probably not going to be what Mitch did last year, which was oddly reminiscent to what he looked like in the first half of yesterday, in the first three quarters of the first game, in the second half of the second game, the first half of the – I mean, he has a chance to really look bad on Mitch Trubisky, but he is currently undefeated. Nick Foles also undefeated.

Now, do they have too many quarterbacks up there in Chicago that can win games for them? They have the best quarterback room in the whole entire league. What do you do, Zito? If you're Nagy, by the way, don't love that Nick Foles took the visor off, okay? Because he had it on the sideline. Everybody knows he had it on the sideline to look cool. Very cool that Nick Foles took the visor off, okay? Because he had it on the sideline. Everybody knows he had it on the sideline to look cool. Very cool. Nick Foles looks cool.

He has the visor on. By the way, I wish I could have pulled it off, but I couldn't see the ball as well, which I'm assuming he potentially found out as well. But him with that visor on jogging on the field, I'm like, okay, Nick Foles 3.0? This is 3.0. 4.0, actually.

You go Rams, Eagles, Jags, Bears. Right? I'm assuming it's somewhere else. You could even do five because he starts with the Eagles, right? He had that 27 touchdown, zero interception streak there. So this is Nick Foles 5.0 has the visor on. I'm like, alright, here we go. We're swinging around in the midway. Takes the visor off after throwing

a pick. Whatever. He goes back and leads him to a victory. Zito, you're Matt Nagy. You can start Mitchell Trubisky, who's Mitchell Trubisky, we know. Or you can start Nick Foles, who we know who Nick Foles is. I've said it before. I still believe in Mitch.

100%. I think we start off every game with Mitch, first half. Second half, Nick Foles every time. Nick Foles is amazing off the bench. Why not take advantage of that? It's a true quarterback scheme. Why not? Joining us now is a man who is an ESPN quarterback expert, pundit,

also does color commentary for college football. Oh, nice. Called the WVU game this past weekend where WVU was allergic to scoring. Ladies and gentlemen, former NFL quarterback Dan Orlovsky. Yay! Woo!

Patrick, is that Fandu thing legit? Yeah, it's legit. Ten bucks, you could win a lot. Diggs has one that has like 11 different plays and it could win 15 grand a night. I might have to dip my toe in the water. Oh! Well, Dan, now that you're here, Dan.

You can't lose. Now that you're here. Oh, you can't? Well, you'll get your money back. You can definitely lose. It'll say L on your screen, but you will get your money back. Dan, before we talk about the weekend, let's talk about how you see tonight going. Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, both got better.

Did the Chiefs get woken up by the Chargers a week ago? Is this going to be a high scoring like the Rams-Chiefs game of years past? What do you see this game going like, and how do you see it turning out? Yeah, definitely be high scoring. Listen, the Chargers always play the Chiefs difficult. They're just built schematically and talent-wise to play them well. That's similar to what San Francisco was, so I don't buy or read into too much of what last week was it's fair to say the Chiefs have not looked like the defending Super Bowl champions but I think the things that you know kind of have held them back are really fixable like Patrick in the pocket him being just a little bit more comfortable not drifting they got to find a way to get some more explosive

plays out of their screen game that's something I'm paying attention to. I think it comes down to the Chiefs' defense handling space. You know, the Ravens are one of the, if not the best team in the NFL offensively of creating space before the snap and then kind of attacking that space. You've got to defend it really well, and you've got to tackle it really well in it. And so if the Chiefs do that defensively, I think that they've got some matchups. I think Clyde Edwards, Eliron Patrick Queen is a big one. Sammy Watkins, if he plays,

is physical enough for Marlon Humphrey. I'm going to take the Chiefs until someone beats them. They're the best team in football. Dan, what would you do, though, if let's say you're a D coordinator and you're trying to stop Lamar Jackson in this Ravens offense? What can you do? You know if you match up, you don't want anyone's back turned to Lamar.

You can have one guy spy him with good luck. Who's going to spy Lamar and actually be successful? What kind of scheme would you run to give you the best chance? Nothing that Pat McAfee is doing right now. Scheme-wise, I think, first of all, you've got to go kill the mesh point. They have so many of those mesh points between him and the backs or the jet sweeps. You've got to blow up the mesh. Second of all, make Lamar be the ball carrier inside.

Don't allow the ball to get to the perimeter. And so I'd make Lamar either give the ball inside or be the ball carrier inside and dare them to commit to running the ball 40-plus times in the game. They create so many big plays by getting the ball on the perimeter. I would play bigger up front. You know, I'd play bigger-bodied linebackers if I had them. I've got to trust that my secondary can play and keep the ball in front of them. But I think making them run the ball between the tackles, both Lamar and the backs,

and not letting them get outside is where you start. between the tackles, both Lamar and the backs, and not letting him get outside is where you start. Dan, last year, okay, you lied about something that I said on the show Get Up where, yeah, you did. True. Yeah, I did. I kind of, I took your words and grew them. No, yeah, you twisted them, you misquoted me. It was on Get Up.

I got buried by all of Philadelphia. You said, amongst other things and other people, that I said that Carson Wentz stunk. You took my name. You threw it in a trash bag. Real dramatic. Dan Orlovsky. I never said that. I said that the Eagles were so hurt. You told me in confidence.

Oh, this guy. Okay, so now, by the way, if you were to quote me as saying that on TV, Philadelphia would be like, we're with McAfee. So it's crazy how much the world can change from that point until now. Even you, who is one of Carson Wentz's biggest fans, maybe the biggest fan, what is happening over there? And do you see a time where Jalen Hurts comes in and saves the day for the Eagles and Carson Wentz's days are done in Philadelphia? Do you see that day ever coming, Dan? Not anytime soon. No, they got bigger,

way bigger issues than just quarterback. You know, like, listen, Carson's not playing well. He's very nonchalant with the football. Like I don't like his nonchalantness right now where if you just watch him throwing the football like he misses four or five throws yesterday where it's a bubble or it's a screen because he's just he's very nonchalant with it um you know the interception the body language that just uh almost like again i keep going back to this phrase nonchalant like watch rogers right now watch Russell right now watch Tom and Josh Allen like those guys are very deliberate with everything that they're doing

the look in their eye is very deliberate and I'm not seeing that with his body language and kind of just the way he's throwing the football so that's got to get better but the reality is this dude I just Josh Allen hold on Josh Allen you just put into that group right there?

MVP of the NFL right now. Hang up. MVP of the NFL right now? Have you seen Aaron Rodgers play football lately? Have you seen Russell Wilson? Josh Allen. Yeah, I was the one who said Aaron Rodgers looked the best he has in five years week one, and he disputed that, and I would go back and say it again. can't play better than josh allen i mean do you know what josh

allen's doing right now patrick i know they have a great run game just like jerry and bae by the way i'm not gonna talk about that have you seen a great run game do you see who they're actually playing he's a big part of that run game he's accounted for 13 touchdowns this year um he's the second best quarterback in the nfl right now in the fourth quarter when they're trailing he's gone back-to-back weeks and had to carry his football team to fourth quarter comebacks. Yesterday, he beats a 2-0 football team that a lot of people think is one of the better teams in the NFL this year in the Los Angeles Rams. So, Russell's been amazing. Here's my thing, Pat.

Here's my thing. Russell's amazing. But it doesn't take any courage to say that Russell Wilson's the MVP of the NFL right now. I did it. I said Aaron Rodgers. Let's not. I'm not going to sit here and fight that a ton. Again, at week one, I said he was the best he's looked in five years with Rodgers.

But I would put Josh Allen as it. Okay. Hey, Dan, who's a quarterback out there that may be getting some good positive pub right now, but you don't think it's a sustainable model of how he's playing? He's not as good as people are making him out to be. Do it, Dan. Barry, a quarterback. Good question.

Sustainable model, playing better than people think, and I don't think it's going to be sustainable. How about Nick Foles or Josh Allen? Josh Allen's the question. You speak – well, listen, when Nick Foles steps on the field as a tinted visor, you speak with his name in reverence. All right, I'll throw one at you. I'll throw one at you that people probably will get pissed about,

but how about Dak Prescott? This is why. Oh, no. I think Dak is at this point where he has to play perfect every single week for them to win football games. On draft day, when they took CeeDee Lamb with the 17th pick, I said that was a bad pick for Dallas. I got crushed over it because it has nothing to do with CeeDee Lamb. Their defense is really, really, really, really, really, really bad. And so Dak has to have this pressure of playing perfect every week to go win games.

I've actually been in this situation before as the backup with Matthew Stafford where Matthew would ball. He would go 30 or 40 for 300 yards, three touchdowns and a pick, and we would lose 38, 37, and we lose because of the interception. That's a big play in the game and you go gosh like I played really well but we don't win the game and my one bad play costs us the game. Deck was amazing yesterday and he has two or three bad plays and those two or three bad plays end up losing the football game and so I just think that pressure of every single

week having to be perfect, on point, is something that's very difficult to sustain throughout the season. Great answer. That was a really good question by AJ. That was a great answer. Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers, shall we? You said week one he was playing the best football he's ever played. Here we are three games into this thing.

Do you still feel the exact same? Because I'll tell you what what this entire office does and he told me and aj to our face that him coming on our show every tuesday is the reason why have you accounted for that whenever you talk about how good he is at football right now i have not brought that up yet but uh maybe i can incorporate into a touchscreen here relatively soon to answer the question, I 100% do. It's a very interesting situation, right, because when they fired Mike McCarthy, I remember vividly Aaron going, I was on the road in San Francisco watching that offense,

and I thought to myself, that offense looks fun. I want to play in an offense like that. They bring in Matt LaFleur and I've got a history with Matt and I'm like this is going to be a really good hire last year happens they're 13 and 3 but like do they get along and really got the whole conversation 90% of the conversation surrounding the Green Bay Packers this year was well they needed to take a receiver in the first round and the quarterback and the coach don't like each other and then after yesterday's game first of all aaron's balling and they they scored 37 on the road without davante adams and then after the game yesterday aaron rogers goes matt's really

finding his rhythm with play calling and it just brought it full circle of going that's exactly what aaron rogers was meant when he was talking about that San Francisco offense. It's exactly why Matt LaFleur is there to be their play caller. And when the coach and the quarterback are starting to see things the exact same way, that's when offenses become very, very dangerous. And I think Aaron's looking the best he has in five years, absolutely. Yeah, they still should have drafted somebody good. AJ, we've got to get him out of here in like a minute and, they still should have drafted somebody good. AJ, we gotta get him

out of here in like a minute and a half. Should have drafted someone in the first round. What's that? Jordan Love was the right pick in the first round. Oh, get the fuck. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, quarterback expert for ES Dan. You had such a good interview up

until that point. No, here's the thing. The guy stinks. He can't even hit a net in practice. It's not his fault. The guy can't throw a completion to a stationary object at every quarterback in the history. I'm just saying the selection of a quarterback. I don't care if it's Jordan Love or Jalen Hurts

or your future son at some point. The second round pick was the problem. But they're the first team ever to score 35 points in their first three games and not have a turnover. I don't think the receiver thing is holding them back. How about a linebacker? Patrick Queen, you're going to watch him tonight. You just said

you can't wait for that lineup. He could have been drafted. I don't think they haven't had a good linebacker since that kid from Ohio State. Let's talk about you, AJ. Let's talk about you, AJ. Let's talk about you, AJ. Yeah, but Dan, okay, how is it still the proper pick in the first round if Aaron Stillhouse

has four years left on his contract and he's not threatening retiring? It's not like the whole Brett Favre situation. Yeah, Dan doesn't know. He's just making shit up right now. Because the last time you want to draft a quarterback is when you need one. Here's the thing, guys. Give me the three or four really good young quarterbacks

in the NFL that are playing well right now. Patrick Mahomes. They all have something in common. Patrick Mahomes, Alex Smith was there. Kyler Murray. Go on. Do you want me to go on or was that... You can't say he's having... him and his team are having success right now.

Oh, because they lost to the Lions yesterday all of a sudden? Russell Wilson. It's Lamar Jackson. It's Josh Allen. It's Deshaun Watson. They all have something in common. They were all traded up for when they weren't needed. Oh, and Aaron Rodgers was playing

quarterback in all the places that they were at? No, he can only play on one team, Pat. Oh, yeah, that's what I mean, Dan. Come on, dude. Situations are situational. You cannot compare what they were going through. Joe Flacco to Aaron Rodgers. Is that what you just did there with Lamar Jackson? Yeah, different players.

Alex Smith to Aaron Rodgers, which, by the way, San Francisco 49ers got wrong, and now here you are in 2020. They were in the playoffs the year before with Alex Smith. Tyrod, listen, I'm not comparing the starting quarterback. What I'm telling you is this. The organization determined we really like that player, and we don't need a quarterback right now, and so we're going to go make that choice

because we believe in the development of our young receivers. That's why. I said this draft night. Second round, they should have taken a wide receiver. Yes, but the first round is their decision, and it's proving that it wasn't a needed option at wide receiver. They can't stop a runny nose right now on the defensive side of the ball. Their defensive tackle didn't play.

Well, you could have a linebacker that's being compared and called Baby Ray Ray, as in Ray Lewis in Baltimore. That's fair. Don't give me that. Let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this question. In 10 years from now, are the Packers going to be really good because Jordan Love becomes a good player

or because Patrick Queen's a good linebacker? In 10 years from now, how many Super Bowls will they have missed out on because they didn't try to build the team that was in the NFC Championship game? Answer my question. Answer mine. I asked mine first. Yeah, but I rebuttaled with a question that's probably a little bit more debunking than your question. What was your question?

My question was, in 10 years from now, they're going to look back and say, how many Super Bowls did we miss because we had a team that was in the NFC Championship, and instead of getting better to win a Super Bowl, we decided to think a decade down the road. How many Super Bowls do you think they're going to miss out on? I agree with you on the second round pick. I agree with you. Yeah, you're stupid, Dan. Dan, you're really smart. You're really

good at what you do. This particular take is terrible, but they're going to have that. Hey, when you shoot 100 balls, you're going to miss one every once in a while. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Montana doesn't miss, though, by the way. Ladies and gentlemen, ESPN stud. Good guy. Bad take there at the end. Dan or Lobs. You didn't

deserve that, Dan. I don't like you. That was it. You know Dan's not scared to spar back and forth with you. I know. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed that a lot. That was a good moment because that was something I was actually passionate about that he was against.

That doesn't normally happen. Normally, I'm just like faux passionate about something he's about. That one real. He's really good at his job because every time he opens his mouth, I want to smack him in the teeth. But he, I mean, hey, but that's good. That's good. He's inciting some type of response.

That is not. That was not. I can't believe for years and years and years you build up and stuck up for Bill's Mafia and now you just want to take them and drag them through the wall. No, no, no. I like Bill's Mafia, and now you just want to take them and drag them through the mud. No, no, no. I like Bills Mafia a lot. But if you watch Aaron Rodgers play football and you watch Josh Allen play football,

Josh Allen's a lot better than he was last year. Like, hey, Josh Allen's very, very good. I like Josh Allen a lot. I love that the Buffalo Bills are playing the good football. Yeah. I'm a big fan of that. But, man, if you're just going MVP as most talented person, okay, I don't think that's him. Most valuable to the team, which is as most talented person okay i don't think that's him

most valuable to the team which is what the mvp means i don't think that's him either but i like that the bills mafia is like hey this is our guy and by the way gm bean said this is our guy they could have got cam they could have got somebody else they said we're building around josh allen so hey i like where josh allen's going but to think that he's playing the best in the world right now i just think that is a little bit ridiculous. I mean, name the last time Aaron Rodgers tried to do a lateral on the game-winning drive out of bounds. Yeah, that was last year. That was last year.

Oh, he did one yesterday, too. He did another one yesterday. Right out of bounds. That's becoming a Josh Allen move. It is going to be very funny when they boat race a Patriot to see Connor's reaction. Yeah, because I do. It will be funny.

By the way, I do think that game is going to be a very, very good game. After watching the Bills, they can run the ball, by the way. They can run the ball. AJ, I can't believe he said that first-round pick was a good pick. That's nice. We'll ask him about it when he comes on again sometime probably next week, but doesn't Jordan Love

have to turn out to be their next franchise quarterback for that to be a good pick, though? Yeah, and what if he's not? What if that guy gets cut in two years and is playing for Dwayne Johnson's league in two years? Yeah. Like, what happens then? And could you have – if you said, okay, you don't want to draft a quarterback

when you need one, okay, cool. You could have waited at least another year or taken a quarterback in the second or third round that you were high on. And they love Jordan, though. So maybe they like his upside. And, by the way, Jordan doesn't deserve any of this. No, no, no. No, he doesn't. This is not Jordan's fault. No. This is not Jordan's fault. Hit a Jordan, though. So maybe they like his upside. And by the way, Jordan doesn't deserve any of this. No, no, no. He doesn't.

This is not Jordan's fault. No. This is not Jordan's fault. Hit a net, though. Oh, come on. That is on him. There's no beating around the bush there. Be good enough to dress.

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Back to the show. And the man we're talking to is a man that the world overreacted to after week one. But his coach, former teammate, said, you know what? I got faith in this guy to figure it out as opposed to bringing in some guy off the streets. He's probably going to have the same exact first week as this one. And I'll tell you what. That has paid off for Mike Vrabel and the Tennessee Titans. Coming fresh off of a six for six game.

Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, pro bowler, kicker for the New England Patriots, Stephen Gostkowski. Oh, no. Tennessee Titans, Stephen Gostkowski. Yeah. Hey, just an average day yesterday huh? just another day at the office I guess after week one was there any I said I gave an entire speech about how

everybody on earth is mad at Stephen Gostkowski but nobody is mad at Stephen Gostkowski right now than Stephen Gostkowski after week one what was going through your mind what was your thought process was it like hey we just gotta get used to the new uh snapper holder hey we got to get the jitters off hey is this surgically repaired leg still got it what was the thought you had after week one a lot of self-loathing a lot of hate towards myself

you know no it was you know i was down on, and I'm very hard on myself, but, you know, I guess it's not that easy to just jump in with one week of practice and go out there and do well. I probably shouldn't have done that bad. To say I was uncomfortable would be an understatement. Luckily, we won the game, and, you know, I got to kick that short kick at the end of the game to win the game and have a chance to not completely blow the night and build on last week.

Got a game winner at the end of that game and then obviously had a career game yesterday so that was pretty sweet. Yeah, pretty sweet. I'd say watching you yesterday was awesome. Big ball Gostkowski is back by the way. Multiple 50 yarders. No big deal. How you doing?

Did you and Vrabes have a conversation after that week one, obviously hitting a game winner is massive. I think I talked to Vinatieri before, and I think in one of the Superbowls where he, or one of those massive game winners that he hit, that's, I don't know if it was the championship game or Superbowl. He missed two kicks in that game. Never talked about, nobody even talks about it. Who cares? Don't need to hear about it about he hit a game winner for you though after you hit the game winner there the entire conversation was still does goszkowski got it does goszkowski got it and everybody was like well we'll see what vrabel does did you and vrabel have a conversation there or was it just understood like okay i got to get better yeah we understand what's going on here no he pretty much just said to the team that

go out you need to go out there and make the kicks like you have your whole career. I just sat there and was quiet and just tried to put my head down and go back to work. I am used to getting criticized. It's part of being in the position, especially playing New England for 14 years. There's no shortage of criticism there, so you just get used to it. Like you said, no one gets as mad at themselves as I do. to it and you know like you said no one gets as mad at themselves as i do you know whatever some reporter or fan you know who says i suck or you know sends me death threats you ask me to pay

their gambling tab uh that stuff doesn't bother me anymore um what was it what did you have to work on was it timing was it strength was it what was the exact thing you that you had to get dialed in or was it just a combination of things? I'd say if I had to pinpoint, just feeling comfortable, timing and rhythm, and getting my legs back in shape to be able to stay loose for three-plus hours. When I'm going out there and practicing by myself, you're out there for 30 minutes to an hour, whereas, you know, for a game, you have to stay loose for, you know, four-plus hours with warm-ups and stuff. And just getting used to that and getting, you know, I mean, this whole year has been nuts with, you know,

being at home all day and, you know, out of whack, out of sync, out of everyone's routine. And, you know, out of whack, out of sync, out of everyone's routine, and then just to be thrust into playing again was all exciting and trying to, you know, make new friends with the teammates and, you know, didn't know where to go in the building. And then to try to start off on a good note and to completely backfire was definitely like getting smacked in the face. So it was a learning experience. And I had a lot of thoughts of just like, man, screw this.

I'm not doing this crap anymore. And then I got over that and, you know, had a lot of support from friends and former teammates and my wife and, you know, my mom and dad. And, you know, my mom still thought I had a good game in the first game. Well, I'm happy you stuck with it. Obviously the Titans are happy that you stuck with it. Yesterday, I saw a couple good high fives.

Seems like you've won over the locker room at this point. A couple good high fives celebration. Maybe my favorite celebration of all kickers, by the way, is your awkward, uncomfortable high five that happens after every single make. Yeah, you've got to find the tallest guy. And, you know, I mean, I'm not a small guy, but those linemen are huge. You find the 6'7 guy, you make him put his hand up as high as you can, you try to look as awkward as possible.

I got no swag. I got no drip. I'm a dad of three. The dad might come out every once in a while. Wow. I might have to save that one for a special occasion. How awkward has it been? By the way, not bad form there.

A little sneeze into the elbow. How awkward has it been with no fans? And has it been weird? Because you weren't the only kicker that struggled week one, by the way. A lot of kickers struggled week one and then bounced back week two. Do you think it's the lack of fans that's weirder? What do you think it – do you think it's just no preseason, no warmup? What do you think it was for some guys?

And now you're obviously very comfortable six or six. Was there a little bit of an adjustment period kind of getting into that? It was really weird just because it didn't really feel like a game. I mean, I don't know. It's hard to explain. I mean, obviously you get used to it, but I mean, you feel more energy and practice than you do sometimes when you can't hear anything or you can hear the

coaches talk on the sideline it's just something different and new that you gotta get used to I mean you get used to zoning out the noise when there's a ton of noise or someone's yelling you suck something like that but then when there's complete silence

it's just kind of an uncomfortable feeling. Hopefully we'll get the fans back soon so we can get back to normal, but it definitely was a feeling that I've never had before where it didn't really feel like a game until I started screwing up a lot and then I was like, oh crap, this is a real game. Oh, I can really get fired for this. Okay, these aren't practice riffs. That's good. The thought of having to have sound, by the way, like when I golf,

I have to have music on or something. The quiet is just so weird for me. I don't know. It's just kind of something. I would assume it's because of the fans yelling at you. I don't know. I'm the same way. I've always been a lot better at calming myself down

than gearing myself up to go as it pertains to kicking. It's not like with kicking or punting you can just take a bunch of pregame workout stuff and ram your head against the wall and get juiced up. It's kind of like you have to be smooth and calm under control, and I've always been a lot better at calming my nerves down and calming myself down when I get, you know, a lot of adrenaline going where I've had a lot more of a problem with getting myself going when I'm not feeling it.

And, you know, that's something I continue to work on. And I think maybe a little bit of that kind of happened to where, you know, maybe I was a little too nonchalant about the whole game. And, you know, it's in the past now, so I'm kind of done talking about it. Yeah, absolutely. We're moving past it. But year 15, now is probably a good time to learn how to, you know, this is going to really help you going forward, you know, whenever you get it.

Maybe I'll give a little more of a fan of high five. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Steve, you and Mike Vrabel both played for Bill Belichick. Do you see similarities between the way both played for Bill Belichick. Do you see similarities between the way Vrabel and Belichick run things and how their coaching styles are? I mean, I've only been there for three weeks, so it's kind of hard to get a true feel. But, I mean, the Mike that I knew doesn't seem to have changed.

He's a great coach. He gets the attention of all the guys. And, you know, he's demanding and he's firm and he's very witty and funny. And he's, you know, he's a ball buster for sure. So it's been a cool thing to see. And, you know, I played with him for three years, but it's not like I was in position meetings with him

and stuff like that. So it's kind of cool to be coached by a guy that you play with. But it's hard to compare coaches, especially in my position. They kind of just leave me alone. True. Does he just have a big old – I think of Vrabel, I think of him just having a big old jaw just in his mouth at all times. Just like one of the biggest packs ever of all time. Just ready for it.

You can't talk about who does and who doesn't dip on the team. Smart. True. Smart. I mean, you just went six for six yesterday. I think today's the day you could probably let some things fly if you really wanted to. But I'm happy that you did. Ladies and gentlemen, he's all the way back.

Can't wait to watch you for the rest of the season. You're the best, brother. Thanks, man. High five. Hey. Ladies and gentlemen, he's all the way back. Can't wait to watch him for the rest of the season. You're the best, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, high five Stephen Gostkowski. Thank you, Stephen. See you, buddy. Joining us now is a man who played quarterback in the NFL. He played quarterback for a team that sucks at football now. Ladies and gentlemen, not USC.

He played quarterback for a team that sucks at football now. Ladies and gentlemen, not USC. I'm talking about former New York Jets star quarterback. And I don't think he ever got enough credit for being good for the Jets because I'll tell you what, the Jets haven't been worth a single damn since this man left town. Ladies and gentlemen, the incredibly handsome Mark Sanchez. Good to see you, buddy. Sanchez, how you doing, pal?

Shoot, if I were any better, it'd be against the law, man. Oh! I sold that for my dad, and I'm starting to sound more and more like him every day. It's terrifying. Well, I do see on the internet your dad of the year. I see your kid roaming around the backyard

and stuff like that. Incredibly cute. Going to be a heartbreaker, I assume. assume you're gonna have to deal with that that's on you not on me um let's talk about let's talk about the jets because i mean it is the team that you are most obviously paired with they suck at football sanchez i mean just so bad at football and i watched him yesterday against the colts and i don't think i've ever had eyes you see these eyes i don't think i've ever had eyes on a football team worse than them and i feel like i've watched a lot of bad football how do you fix it is it fixable and do you think they just need a complete rebuild from top to bottom well here's here's the problem when you start talking about rebuild that's becoming synonymous with the jets right now

and i don't know if i don't know if that's necessarily the answer the problem is they missed on a couple free agents right mosley levion bell just haven't panned out for whatever reason i don't think it's a talent issue i think they're it's an availability issue right so those guys are down now the other issues are you're trying to draft these kids and receivers and weapons for sam but uh who's the kid from baylor it's mims right i think i mean first day of training camp boom goes down with a hamstring then uh you know he comes back a couple weeks later goes down again so guys just aren't available now you're putting a product out there on the field that is in no way ready to compete with the rest of the league. It honestly is frustrating to watch. And I really feel for Sam because I've lived it. And those last two seasons I had in New York, the roster looked almost identical.

looked almost identical we had santonio holmes who was nicked up we had just paid him and he was nicked up he hurt um what do you have a foot injury had like a liz frank injury so he was gone and when you pay these guys money you expect them to produce and for whatever reason if it doesn't happen things go south but you can't just cancel the games right you can't just okay we'll we'll get them next year it's okay somebody's got to go out there and play and we were literally calling up new receivers every week and guys that you've never heard of they don't have a household name that a defensive coordinator looks at during the week and goes okay what are we going to do about this guy uh are we going to double them are we going to cloud help this uh you know cornerback with the safety for this guy? We got to be ready for wide receiver screens.

We got to be. They don't have to be ready for anything. It's like, let's go play a preseason game and play our base defense. They wanted to install defense, throw in a couple of exotic blitzes and we'll kick their ass. And it's just really unfortunate. It's disheartening. I feel bad for him. That was exactly what happened yesterday, by the way.

I watched it. And Sam, by the way, Sam, I saw him last week make this play where he was rolling left and it was a sidearm ball. It was like Patrick Mahomes. It was on a line for like 30 yards. And I think being somebody who doesn't live in the New York area and doesn't watch a lot of Jets games for whatever reason, I saw that and I was like, oh, shit. This guy can play the football.

This guy is very, very good at football. He has no shot right now. yesterday he threw some bad balls there's a couple bad picks things like that but when you're a quarterback and the whole world seems to be crumbling around you i think he's what 21 years old too i'm not even sure he's i think he's 19 years old what is your mindset day-to-day it's like hey we have to get better i have to get better or is it like i just need to survive this i need to figure out how to survive day to day in here well that's what it becomes uh a survival technique right and you go to you know the deepest darkest place that you have and it's frustrating because you're out there trying to make plays now everybody you feel this pressure and it's so heavy the weight of it is just eating at you

and then everybody feels it right so now play callers start to press a little bit now oh man maybe we should fire so and so that's what players are thinking right guys are starting to talk about it this stuff is manifesting itself on sundays and then the talk through the week is oh man this guy needs to go oh he's no good oh they blew up with this guy so everybody's got that anxiety there right and and there's no there's no remedy for that unfortunately but time and so the frustrating part for sam is he's just gonna have to you know put his head down try and avoid media as best you can and just go work on his fundamentals go work on his mechanics and keep making those splash plays when they come but most importantly you know stay alive in the pocket

but it's all right to toss that thing in the in the sixth row if uh if nothing's happening you know what i mean that's not hey by the way that's because i did i did the opposite and and i'm guilty of you know i'm not caring too much but, like, trying too hard. Like, okay, well, if these other guys aren't going to go catch the ball, like, I'm going to put one right in his face mask. Like, I don't care. And there's two guys draped on me. I don't care.

I'm going to struggle and put the ball at risk and just chuck this thing because nothing else is working. But the problem is then you become the bad guy, and they're like, well, why don't you just get out i don't recommend he does that hey mark you're such a hero yeah mark sam do as i say not as i do yeah legit that's a real thing because then he can start looking like the bad guy like for instance oh 100 then it's gonna be oh sam donald sucks we need to draft a new quarterback tre Trevor Lawrence is coming up. Tank for Trevor.

Come on, dude. You got your quarterback. Let's just build around him and help him out. The New York media, I assume, is not going to be friendly to him. I assume Sam Darnold is not going to be friendly. And he was trotted out there yesterday after the game. You know? Go ahead.

Oh. Go ahead out there. And he's got to sit there and answer questions. And they're asking him questions that there is a 0% chance he can give a real answer if he wanted to. He cannot. No. How do you feel you were prepared? Okay.

So now Sam Darnold has to become a politician. Okay. He has to speak here. Absolutely. He has to put away all of his anger for maybe another year of his career getting wasted here. He has to put aside any potential ass beating. He just took every pick. He just took the thought of the next four games probably going to be even worse than the first three were.

He has to put that all aside. And now he has to put on a good face for the head coaching. We were perfectly prepared for this whole thing. That that isn't in the quarterback one on one playbook. Like, hey, by the way, you're going to get crushed sometimes. OK, there's going to be blindside shots. perfectly prepared for this whole thing. That isn't in the quarterback 101 playbook. Like, hey, by the way, you're going to get crushed sometimes, okay? There's going to be blindside shots. Your head's going to get dislodged like Joey Burrow.

You're going to do all these things. You're going to have to deal with pressure and all this. But then also, when everything's falling, you have to say all the right things because nobody else will. That has got to be one of the most difficult parts of the entire thing. It's frustrating. The things that come to mind are like the charlie brown like that or like a bad kung fu movie like father i have failed you you know like that's what you're doing up there though you're essentially on autopilot and you make these um cliche statements yeah it's just

he's gonna kill everybody with cliches right it's just hey listen we got to execute better and it starts with me at the quarterback position you know i got to analyze and make sure i'm doing everything i can mechanically and preparation wise so we'll just you know it's back to the drawing board and we just got to keep fighting hey Hey, Sam, why did blah, blah, blah. He can't talk about like, hey, this guy going against that corner. I mean, this corner basically got like a day off today. Okay. Because he's not really worried about this guy. So he kicked his ass all day long.

And when I'm back there, you know, trying to throw to this guy, he's not open. And the three other guys aren't open either. And we're missing blocks. So what do you want me to do? That's what you want to say, but you just can't. You can't because it doesn't do anybody any good, and you kind of look like an asshole if you do that. It would be so awesome, though.

It would be so awesome if Sam Darnold just came out there. If he just went like La Flama Blanca and just told the truth. That would be unbelievable. You're watching the same thing I'm watching. Why are you asking these stupid questions? All right? Not a single dude was open the entire game. I'm trying my best.

Did you see a week ago? Sidearm, 35 yards. I'm the only son of a bitch that can do it. But Sam Darnold won't do that because he's the right guy. He's a good guy. And that's why I chose not to be an NFL quarterback. What do you got to say? Mark.

I think we found a new segment. What he should have said. I'll dress up like Sam. You be the media. You give me the Thor hammer of questions. And I'll. What he should have said. I'll dress up like Sam. You be the media. You give me the Thor hammer of questions, and I'll give what he's really thinking. You know like they did that, like Key and Peele did for Obama? Yeah, that's real.

That's real, though, because you're probably the only person in the most recent history who has been in the exact same spot as him, from the same school. By the way, USC to the Jets. We get screwed over the situation we're in. Oh, not a bad hammer there, pal. 13-ounce claw hammer. Yeah, give me my new hammer, please. I got a new hammer, by the way.

It's not a Thor hammer, but that's a sickle. Oh, I thought it was a hammer. Oh, shoot. Seeing it, you just kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then if you really want to do it, that'll kill a man. What do you got, Ty? Mark, how much of the Jets' dysfunction and failure falls at Adam Gase's feet?

And do these guys really want to play for him? Because, like you guys have been mentioning, in postgame they're saying, oh, we love Coach Gase. He's the guy for the role. But when he comes off like such an arrogant asshole, like do these guys still want to play for him? Listen, that's tough to say. And I do my best not to like certain situations I know from experience. But again, there are different variables in this situation. So I can't say for sure what the locker room's going through exactly, right? Like what those meetings are, because I'm not in there. But listen, just know that it's weighing on everybody.

And when somebody plants that little seed about, oh man, it's the coach's fault, then it becomes an easy out. And unfortunately, guys who aren't like the best professionals will kind of use that as an excuse. Like, well, he's not a very good coach. So maybe I don't prepare as hard or yeah, I used to stay late on Wednesdays and Thursdays, but I mean, our team kind of sucks anyway. We're all in three, you know what I mean? So guys go through that. Now, does that, you know, do I know guys go through that now does that you know do i know for a fact that that's happening not 100 but i'd i'd be you know pretty sure that somebody's thinking

that yes and uh it's just it's just tough right because as soon as they plant that seed it's there right you speak things into existence the antithesis of this the seattle seahawks right russell wilson's speaking stuff into existence hey here we go here we go baby here we go hey clear eyes open heart here we go here we go we're gonna play good football hey our defense isn't gonna be good at all but we're gonna that's what he does every single game literally go hawks but go hawks and what he does is he also has a lot of really good players around him so they can afford to say things like that. Like, hey, it's going to be great.

You can't just do that when you have, you know, a pile of crap. Like, oh, this is going to be awesome. You can try. You can fake it as best you can. But you want to go eat a crap sandwich. It's still not going to taste good. I don't care what you tell yourself. Hey, quick question.

Why is everybody calling me a communist with this thing? It's because the hammer and sickle. It's from the old USSR. Sickle from the Soviet Union. Logo. The hammer and the sickle. With the hammer hammer and sickle. It's from the old USSR. Sickle from the Soviet Union. It was on there. The hammer and the sickle. With the hammer. It's not Russian Z.

It's not. It's a Dothraki war weapon. Oh, that too. Yeah, okay, thank you. Yeah, this isn't, by the way, could be used as a hammer too. No political agenda with this sickle, Gus. Oh, yeah, by the way,

can't even spell communist, but I know it's not good. It's not the red curtain over here. as separate things they're fine together is the yeah you can't put the hammer in that together no i would yeah that's never listen you fucking communist watching on youtube don't you be coming after me okay i don't need that big freedom guy big freedom guy all right let's talk about talk about Mitchell Trubisky. Let's say you were Mitchell Trubisky. Oh, man. You're Mitchell Trubisky.

Hi, I'm Mitch Trubisky. I got drafted ahead of Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes, and now I'm at the Bears. I had a great year. We made the playoffs, a blocked field goal that ended up pitting two of the three uprights, kicks us out. The next year, I don't know how to play football anymore. Is it me?

Is it Nagy? I come back. They sign Nick Foles. Nick Foles comes in, leads them to a massive heroic comeback victory. Now, who's the starter going into week four? Mitch Trubisky, 3-0 as a starter. Nick Foles, undefeated for the Bears. What a situation that is.

How do they handle it? Publicly, they said, we're just going to work hard, whoever's the starter, whoever's the starter. That can't be a real, though, mindset, could it be be i don't understand how you how you're gonna flip flop you know tony dungy said it last night like once you go with another guy like you got to be prepared for him to go on like that's it barring any injury but i just i thought it was so crappy like he was playing okay right like he's he's playing pretty well the interception he threw I mean unless he just missed like a bunch of run checks that you

know we don't know about I mean you can go back and watch the tape but I mean they were competitive they were in the game and they're playing Atlanta who finds a way to lose these games in the third and fourth quarter right like why hit the panic button after one interception so that that really uh shocked me and um it's it was really unfortunate the other thing too is that that shallow route that he's throwing to jimmy graham that got picked those things usually have tags on him to be able to sit down especially in a west coast system like naggy's part of like you can sit down and zone if there's somebody going to cut off your route so there was some sort of miscommunication there i'm not saying it was the best decision sure sounds like you said it's jimmy graham's fault right there

no i'm not saying for sure those things go it's a two-way street right the receiver's got to give you the right indicators if i give you my eyes if i'm looking at you i'm booking i'm running but if i don't look at you slam on the brakes and show you my numbers i'm putting it on your body so there was some sort of miscommunication there but that that's a two-way street now and if that's the reason he got pulled that's crazy that one throw that's that's bs so you're upset a bunch of things accumulating over time yeah you're or they just wanted they were just looking for an excuse because that's what it looked like.

So you kind of have sympathy here for Mitchell Trubisky and the place that he's in because he has played great football a couple years ago and a few quarters this year. He's played some great football, unbelievable football. They're undefeated right now. Atlanta Falcons 0-2 were favored playing them, so nobody respected their undefeatedness, if that's an actual word.

I'm not 100% sure. Oh, yeah. But you're saying you're saying like hey if you really want to give mitchell trubisky a shot and they do right they named him the starter to begin the season when everybody assumed nick foals was going to be named a starter or it wasn't going to be a fair competition for who the starter was if you if you really want to give him a fair shot if you're if you go two and one after your first three games like that's not too terrible of a start. You're much better off than a lot of teams. Maybe he bounces back next week. Now he's got an entire thing popping off in his head, whether or not he's a starter going into week four,

he's two and one. Now it's almost like it was inevitable that, Hey, you keep fucking around. Nick Foles is going to come in and that's a tough place to be, I guess. Oh, it's terrible.

Now, if you go back in, you're like, okay, I can't make a mistake. You know, you've got to be able to play free. Oh, no. Bears are dead.

Bears are dead. Oh, no. No, no. Bears are dead. What did you say? Bears are dead. Oh, are they Bears fans? Oh, yeah.

We've got to die hard down here. He doesn't know who to cheer for. You have no idea. They're dead. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're dead. They'll be fine. But it's just you don't do that to a quarterback. That doesn't make sense.

And it just seemed like a quick hook to me, in my opinion. Like I said, I'm not in the meetings. Played a lot of football, seen a lot of football. That just seemed a little strange. Like that was the idea going into the game. If he screws up at all, like so much as coughs the wrong way, yank his ass. And that's crazy. So you believe

on record, Mitchell Trubisky did not deserve to get benched yesterday, which gave an opportunity to Nick Foles to do what Nick Foles does, which is swing his big thing around and come back and win. And now they've made their bed and they're going to sleep in it now because they made that one bad decision, which has led them to here.

Yeah, if you're going to force me into that hot take, fine. I'll give you consent for that hot take. Not a hot take. You said it, not me, pal. I didn't say it. I said it. You amplified it. I'll own it.

I think it was a little soon. Listen, I love both of those quarterbacks because I played with both of them. I've been on teams with both of them. And Nick's a great dude. And these guys are going to work together and figure it out because they're both great people and great ballplayers and professionals. So they'll say the right things. But I just – that was a little quick for me yesterday to pull him that soon. Okay.

So that means Nagy wanted his ass out of there. Okay. You paced. This is your guy. We started. We brought in Foles. I brought in my people. Okay. We win games, by the way. We started. We brought in Foles. I brought in my people. Okay, we win games, by the way.

That's what we do. And that's the other thing, too. Like, there's a political side to this. Like, maybe Nagy's like, well, shoot. If I distance myself from him and Nick plays well, I get to stay. Maybe somebody else is gone. Mitch is who he's saying. Now, before we let you go Mark

And I can't thank you enough for joining us West Coast time through Europe early Top of the morning to you Powell over there Good morning If you're Joe Burrow Good morning Mark Buenos dias Buenos dias

Aqui estamos mi amigo If I'm Joe Burrow right now i'm feeling good that's if you're a quarterback and your head gets dislodged from your body for a second and then it comes back and you have to go to the sideline then you come back by the way just a play later and you lead your team into a tie into a tie game that has to feel but those shots though the quarterbacks get and you guys get paid a ridiculous amount of money you get treated like royalty you get pampered everywhere you go all that stuff but those types of shots are real problem i mean is that just something that you know is inevitable but joe he almost lost his head it felt like his skull yeah was leaving his body

and then he just gets right back into the game. Is that normal for a quarterback to take a shot like that and just get right back in the game? Or is that an elite toughness that Joe Burrow has because he's from Ohio? And what's the hardest shot you took that didn't involve somebody's ass? That was rude. No. Fair question. It's a fair question, Mark.

It was not. That was just a question. Good morning. Mark. No, no, no. You are not on the phone. You were with question, Mark. It was not. That was just a question. Good morning. Mark. No, no, no. You are not on the phone. You are with us, Mark. Yeah, sure.

No, no. You are with us, Mark. Who's phone is that? I'm just wondering. Let's see. Joe Burrow has this unique ability to wake up and ignite a fire in himself when he gets hit. You saw it at LSU in the bowl game before their incredible run. I think they played UCF or somebody like that.

But he got smacked, came back in the game, threw like four touchdowns. Then against Alabama early in the game last year, he's running towards the sidelines. And I remember talking about this. I'm like, dude, get out of bounds. And he's like, no, man, you know me. I need to take a hit just to like get into the game and that's the way he is now i don't recommend he takes those hits all the time because like you said his head almost got dislodged from his body so he's gonna need a chiropractor he's gonna need a great massage today

but that's who joe burrow is and he is such a competitor. It's been impressive to watch. The stuff he's doing at the line of scrimmage before the play, after he gets hit in tough situations, converting third downs, being strong in the red zone, and taking care of the football. I mean, you want your three-, four-, five-year veteran quarterback to start doing those things and, like, tighten those things up. He's already doing them. With an offensive line that makes every play like the toughest quarterback drill you do right

you do these drills in the offseason because you can't get used to like five steps in rhythm one hitch throw that happens like two three times a game maybe and when it happens you're like oh god that felt good why can't we do that more often and then the next play you're like, oh, God, that felt good. Why can't we do that more often? And then the next play, you're like, oh, shit, this guy's going to kill me. Oh, shit, this guy's going to kill me. Over one, up one, off one foot, attack the line of scrimmage, keep my shoulder square, keep the ball tight, boom, tuck it so the defensive lineman doesn't swat it out of my hands. He's doing that every play.

So every play is a quarterback drill, which is exhausting. I mean, I get tired watching him play. So he's absolutely impressing me and the sky's the limit for him if they give him some time look out man because they have a couple weapons on the edge different than sam donald they have some weapons that can help him make plays right he can extend the play but you need guys to ultimately eat up some yards for you and do something with the ball in your hands after you catch it last question honestly don't want to take up too much of your time follow-up uh is joe burrow an anomaly in

the quarterback world as he likes to take a hit because i know linebackers like to have a hit i know there's some offense alignment that like want to feel one defense alignment things like that i'm not sure i've ever met a quarterback that's like you know what when i almost get paralyzed and i'll get right into this you know yeah so it's it doesn't have to be like a knockout shot right but like something just like getting even in preseason like just getting pushed down after a throw and you kind of like hit the turf and roll a little bit it's like okay i'm in the game after your first completion all right we're in the game like let's roll boys here we go and that's kind of how i felt growing up and as a

you know professional player but he is he's something else man i'm trying to think of my uh i still have a click in my jaw and uh it's from it's from um playing the patriots on october in october uh it was right around halloween my rookie year i think i put lee bodden in the pro bowl from that game because he bought me a drink in miami after the season was like hey bro thank you oh no it's like hero's like, who is that? I was like, that's Lee Bodden. I think I threw him three interceptions. He was my number one target that week. And it was a rough day. But I remember just getting jacked up so bad right under the chin before like all this helmet to helmet stuff and before they were protecting the quarterback quite as much bro this thing like i was ringing in my ears and brunel used to tell me this is horrible but

before concussion protocol and all this kind of stuff you would look at the white lines almost like a sobriety test or something right you would look at the white lines find the correct color jersey and then walk towards that so i didn't wa. So no one would take me out of the game. I'm dead serious. No, I don't think this is smart. I don't recommend this, especially now with everything they know about concussions and player safety and all that.

But that was the time. That was true. This is true, what I'm telling you. And I remember opening my jaw. I could still, it still clicks from that one hit. And I was just like, damn, dude. Okay, this is what you signed up for. This is awesome. This really hurts, but this is awesome.

Did you continue to play because you passed the sobriety test? Oh, yeah. I continued to throw another interception to Lee Bonin. No shit, Mark. Jeez. I'm happy you're safe. Your brain is good. You're still handsome. Your kid's awesome. And every time you come on the show, we appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, the host of Fourth in Forever, ESPN. Are you still you come on the show, we appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, the host of 4th and Forever.

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Former member of the Green Bay Packers And the Ohio State Buckeyes Mr. Aaron James Hawk. What's happening, guys? What time is Orlovsky on? I don't know. Probably like 23 minutes or so. Cool.

I got some good questions for Dan. I want to know if some of these quarterbacks are for real that are playing kind of out of their mind right now. Who do you think are some quarterbacks that are playing out of their mind right now? Well, I mean, Josh Allen is a legit MVP candidate, isn't he, after three weeks? I mean, they have a great running game, so I'm not 100% sure that the Bills mafia, whenever they say that it is all on Josh Allen's back, is 100% accurate. But I'll tell you what, watching him throw the ball around yesterday was a lot of fun. Now, Los Angeles Rams obviously made it a game.

They're up 25, didn't step on their throats, let the Rams get back into it. But when Josh Allen had to make a play, I don't know if that was a pass interference, but when Josh Allen had to make a play, Josh Allen made a play, and I think he's stepping into superstardom as we speak, my friend. Yeah, I think it was good to see from both teams. Like you said, the Rams making

the comeback, and then the Bills finding a way to win. And like you said, who knows if that was a pass interference or not. I'm sure it depends what team you're rooting for. What do you think, Pat? Sure didn't look like. I mean, I made an entire video about it. But then as soon as I put the video out about it,

because remember, you used to be able to challenge something like that. But the guy that was in charge of ruling whether or not it was a pass interference whenever you challenged it to potentially help out the eyes on the field and to make the game a better game and a more efficient game and knowing that a pass interference call is detrimental to the entire game. The guy that was put in charge of this brand-new challenge, this brand-new rule, was drunk behind the wheel and drove it right off a cliff. His name was Alberto River on ruin to call.

Can't challenge it anymore, and now the game is not better because of it. But I'm not even sure they would ever turn the call on the field. It was just a matter of a fact of a ref saying, hey, I want to decide the outcome of this game. I'm going to go ahead and call it. Because it felt like it could have been on both sides to be 100% candid there. Yeah, if I'm a ref, I don't want to be in that position. Like, that's not a gig at one. It's someone that's kind of deciding one way where this game is going to go.

Another one that could have been reviewed was the uh the cook touchdown against uh not cook who was it that caught the ball against malcolm jenkins and marcedes lewis yeah my bad yeah marce is who they mentioned oh hey walker in a rage and then he comes out there and catches a beautiful touchdown pass they i know malcolm jenkins at least wanted the offensive pass interference on that one. What do you think of that? I didn't think it was a full extension. I think it was. I think the first, by the way, Malcolm Jenkins with the,

oh, yeah, was awesome. T.Y. Hilton had one of those yesterday, a full, ah, one of those things. The refs are put in a bad spot, right? The refs are put in a bad spot, AJ, strictly because it is all bang, bang. And there's so many little things that have to happen. Was it this? Was it this? And all this nonsense. But the thing for me is there was a chance to get those overturned and get those right. And they're like, well, with a judgmental call, you never know what the call is. It's like, no, no, no. Last year, I feel like 90% of the pass interferences

that were challenged were all 100% agreed upon by the humans on the internet. The internet never comes together on anything, ever. I don't think, other than Cam Newton's gif yesterday of him sliding down that bench being awesome, you rarely see the internet come together. Last year, every single time one of those pass interferences was challenged, everybody on the internet had the same agreeing.

This should be overturned, except for Alberto Riveron. Alberto Riveron, the man that was tasked with doing the actual job, always got it wrong, so they got rid of it. But I think in that one, I don't think that was a full push-off. I think the guy sold it a little bit. Mercedes Lewis has a big body, scores a touchdown.

I think in that Bills one, now granted Bills Mafia told me that earlier, for the Rams to come back, there were some calls that were suspect, and I did not see those, so I don't want to, you know, say like the Bills or the Rams got screwed here. But this, if we look at just this call, that was a lynchpin on the Bills coming back and winning this against the Rams, with a pass interference on a fourth down call inside the 10-yard line with limited time left this I think is a very tough call to make if you're that ref

but we should be able to look at it and say yeah that was that was a tough call by the ref yeah I mean I think I feel for the ref being in that position but that is his job do you think they should find a way to bring pass interference like the challenge back somehow can they get it right after they just botched it when they did have it in play yeah you just got to get a human that's under the age of 70 that knows the game that can see things that can do it efficiently and quickly and maybe even yes i think you know what i think we should do okay i've said this a few times all right I'm tired of always having to say this. The fact that the XFL's review system wasn't just plucked from Dwayne Johnson immediately upon purchasing the bankrupt company

and dropped right into the NFL makes no sense. And by the way, get former players to be the Xbox controllers up there in the booth. So players who have been there, been trained, they understand the situation, they understand the circumstance, have them be the ones that are talking directly into the ref's ear. You can get it sponsored by Microsoft. You can get it sponsored by Amazon. Expedite the process.

Have them running the challenge. Have them mic'd up right to the ref. So at least whenever they make a call, we know why. Because if you don't know the why, you are going to question every decision. So whenever they don't let us hear what's happening, whenever they're staring into that big-ass thing and they put the headphones on, it's very difficult to be like,

oh, that makes sense, when everybody else on earth did not see it that way. I just don't know why they didn't take the XFL's review system, put some players up there. Now you have a, hey, that's good for NFLPA. Good, hey, look, relationships. Here we go, we're adding jobs. And these guys have been on the field, so they've been there, done that.

They're probably a little bit quicker, a little bit younger, know how to operate the things. And let's get these calls right, AJ. I think we need to get these calls right. Hell, yeah. I mean, I'm not saying I completely disagree with you. I'm just saying how people will pick that apart. If you do have former players in that gig, don't you think people will say,

well, no, they have an inherent biases because this head coach of one of these teams was the special teams coach for this player when he played with the jacksonville jags like you're gonna have a former player's gonna have ties to a lot of coaching staff some players all different kind of people i think at least the general public will feel like you'll have trouble i guess separating yourself from like making those calls. Quick question, Zito. Where was the ref from yesterday that called that interception by Nick Foles that could have easily been called a touchdown in Atlanta while Chicago Bears traveled there? He was born in Atlanta, Georgia, and his son was drafted by the Packers.

Okay, that doesn't help this particular point, but I appreciate you knowing everything about Jerome Booger at the exact time when called upon. How about this, Zito? I don't know if you're the right person to ask this question. I don't know if you know the answer. The ref in the New Orleans Saints-Los Angeles Rams game, the pass interference, the phantom pass interference that created the challenge of pass interference rule down there in the Superdome in the playoffs, which was a blatant pass interference that wasn't called.

Do you know where the ref was from that was sitting right on top of that? Los Angeles. So whenever you're talking about inherent biases and things like that, I think as long as there's humans involved, there's going to be potential biases, but we just got to act as if they are protecting the shield. I mean, I understand that you're just playing devil's advocate over there and people are going to pick things apart. But if A.J. Hawk's up there with the Xbox controller,

I feel like he's going to be fair and square, lair, stern, and fair. That's what I think. I honestly believe that. I would hope I could be if I accepted a job like that. But think about it. Think if I'm up there, first off, this is a PlayStation controller. I'm already on Microsoft. I haven't played since Super Nintendo.

So that's my problem right there i need an old school remote but i i probably would have an issue let's say it's our tuesday reoccurring guest aaron rogers he throws a great beautiful touchdown pass and they're challenging they're trying to see if there was offensive interference on it i may have some trouble making that call i think i might just okay so let be... Let's act as if we find players that hated all their teammates. We know. Those guys exist out there.

Let's just... I'm with you. I don't know why we're still on this same thing. You're just making up these phantom concepts that could potentially ruin the XFL's review system. You don't think that that guy had ties to the Dallas Renegades whenever he was calling those things at the XFL's review system. You don't think that that guy had ties to the Dallas Renegades

whenever he was calling those things at the XFL? You don't think that guy had ties? As a fan, I'd be more worried. If you have a defensive guy up there, don't you think he's going to skew more towards the defense? If an offensive guy, he's going to skew more towards giving the offense the advantage? Let's get to some more hard-hitting stuff here.

That guy yesterday, the Dallas Cowboys D-tackle with the Gator death roll, where he had that guy's ankle and he rolled, he knew that he was doing that, right? AJ, I mean, you played middle linebacker and college national champion in the NFL Super Bowl gym. Whenever you're tackling somebody, you very much understand when you're trying to hurt somebody and when you're not trying to hurt somebody. And I think this is very disrespectful to the fraternity of brothers who play in the nfl to be completely candid and serious for a second it absolutely is and there is there's like uh and i wouldn't don't want to call it

unwritten rules or anything but there's a code that nfl players kind of live by and as violent and crazy as it seems that sometimes like even the the dirtiest player that's out there like even the guys that seem like the most vicious people alive, like they're not trying to do things like this to like on purpose, intentionally harm somebody by gator roll, like an extra two or three rolls. That's what it was like. No gator roll. You have to, if you're making a tackle tackle in the open space or say you have an angle tackle and the guy can run, you got to dive,

you're going to slide down his legs and gator roll. That's how they teach it. But that's when you're moving. Like when the guy is down and you still got to dive, you've got to slide down his legs, and gator roll. That's how they teach it. But that's when you're moving. Like when the guy is down and you still roll a couple extra times, yeah, that's usually when a big brawl will break out. You look back, and there's some guys that step on players. You know, we talked to Aaron about that back in 2000, whatever, 2012 it was, or 2008, whatever year it was. And there's like that type of stuff.

And there's big shots where guys lower the crown of their helmet and hit. And I think that is just charge to the game like i honestly believe that's like hey that's charged the game like sometimes you're going to get got there's going to be a blind side shot you're going to get got like that is a part of the game whenever you're trying to rip somebody's leg off i think that is there is a line there and to be honest i would assume that he's going to get some at some point right i mean this is going to be the type of like he's going to get some at some point, right? I mean, this is going to be the type of, like, he's going to get fined, obviously. I don't know if Mike McCarthy's the guy that's just like, yeah, I love having that guy on my roster.

I don't know if that's how he is either. I don't know if anybody wants to be associated with that guy right now. No, I don't think teammates or coaches, they don't want their brand being associated with something like that. No, this is going to – it's all going to die down. I think the guy will be fine. But I think it is definitely something McCarthy would look at, like, what are you doing?

What's going on here? Like, I'm sure, like, hey, there's a difference between playing physical and dominating people, like, at the line of scrimmage and doing this kind of stuff. Like, this is not being physical. This is just stupid. You think the Cowboys stink? No.

You said they were going to go to the Super Bowl, and here we are after week three, and there's a lot of questions. You know what were going to go to the Super Bowl, and here we are after week three, and there's a lot of questions. You know what's hilarious to me? So whenever we had to make these Super Bowl predictions, when you... Oh, this is our fault. No, no. I'm glad we did. I'm glad I didn't make these predictions, but people think I'm so tied, like people on the internet especially, whenever Dallas is playing, if things are going bad for them, how people tweet me, oh, you're just upset. You're not going to pick against them because they're your Super Bowl pick.

Like, first off, if Dallas wins the Super Bowl this year, guess what? Guess what I get? Nothing. If they don't win the Super Bowl, I get nothing. It does nothing. Either way for me, it doesn't matter. I'm not that biased. Like, I have to have the Cowboys win.

So my six months before pick comes true. Yeah, okay. Yeah, we know you're pissed we know you know you're probably getting a ring too for down there that's how jerry operates by the way that's why everybody talks about the cowboys all the time yeah because everyone gets rings hey i don't get cramps in my hands writing checks and i also don't get lazy when i'm tossing out super bowl rings let's go to richard over there in oregon What's going on, Richard? Yeah, overreaction Monday. I want to talk about

how Nick Mullins is the first quarterback for the 49ers to throw for over 220 plus yards in the ninth straight start since Joe Montana at 85. Ever heard of him? Joe Montana? Joe Montana, the guy who took a football and threw it so hard at a kidnapper's

head, they got decapitated this weekend in Malibu. That is, by the way, Joe Montana. Joe Montana? Joe Montana is a hero kidnapper. Tried to take his granddaughter, I believe. He snuffed it out. I don't know how. I don't know what happened.

We would like to believe that in shape-ups, he came down the steps, grabbed one of his game balls off the wall, last ball right in the cranium, maybe the temple even, and it was laced, and boom, took a down, bang, tackle. How you doing? Keep it moving. Cops come. Shout out to Joe Montana saving a life out there.

By the way, humans are just walking in the houses trying to kidnap nine-month-olds these days. That's crazy. What the fuck is going on in Malibu? Do not be rolling into NFL Legends houses trying to kidnap people. You will get a ball to the throat or temple. They're lucky they didn't walk into my house, AJ. You know what I mean? I'm swinging one of these things.

I have no idea what it is, but if I catch you on this side, done. This side, knocked out. Then I flip it around, done. The Grim Reaper's sword. But Nick Mullins, on this side, done. This side, knocked out. Then I flip it around, done. The grip reaper's sword. But Nick Mullins, great quarterback out there for the Niners. Jimmy G gets hurt. Everybody was very confident in Nick Mullins going in there.

There was a tweet that listed off everybody that the San Francisco 49ers had out, and they boat raced the New York Giants. This is problematic for the New York Giants, if you're looking at this. The 49ers are missing QB1, running back 1, running back 2, tight end 1, tight end 2, wide receiver 1, cornerback 1, cornerback 2, cornerback 4, defensive end 1, defensive end 3, defensive end 4, defensive end 5, linebacker 2, wide receiver 4, wide receiver 5, center 1,

up by 10 at halftime, win by 27. That is a tough day to be a Giant, but it's all because Nick Mullins is a stud, rallied the troops, Shanahan's out there coaching his ass off, and that is a long day for the Giants, but quite a steal of a victory for the San Francisco 49ers. Well, it's an absolute steal for the Niners, and my question would be, does this just show you how smart Shanahan is, how great the Niners are, or are the Giants worse than we thought they were?

I'll tell you what, they ain't as bad as the Jets. I watched the Jets yesterday. The Jets are bad. But the Giants do seem to stink at the football. Also blow. Does feel like they... Let's go to Tim in Detroit, a team that is not completely winless.

What do you want to talk about, Buck? Hey, what's up, Pat and AJ and the boys? You just fan here? Oh, we're fanning you. Got an overreaction for you guys. Wondering if you think after the Lions just came off that win yesterday, do you think they're going to rally behind the ageless wonder AP and go for 14-2 like you were saying?

Definitely roll with Adrian Peterson right now. He's been playing great football. I think he had 900 yards last year or 1,000 yards last year or something like that. Adrian Peterson is nowhere near slowing down. I thought the Chiefs were going to potentially sign him, but it turns out they had CEH, who's an absolute monster. We didn't know that. That was before the season started.

The Lions have been riding old Adrian Peterson, and Matty Stafford's winning games. I think the biggest takeaway for me yesterday is not that the Lions got a dub, right? Good for you, Foxy. You guys got to win. While the team was moving down the field, it felt like Matt Prater was about to hit a dong shot. Like it just, it felt like that. Now, granted, being the Detroit Lions, that thing could have got blocked and taken the other direction and they lose in the desert. Oh my God, heartbreak city. Here we are again. Is Matt Patricia still our coach? What are we doing? I mean, that could have happened, but

Matt Prater, it felt like that was a Matt Prater day. The biggest takeaway I had, congrats to the Lions. Awesome. Very happy for Matt Patricia, Matty Stafford, Matt Prater, that entire team. That entire city. Some don't have internet or water. Happy for everybody in the Lions. Love it. My

biggest takeaway yesterday was kyler murray looked like a completely different player than he looked like the first couple weeks kyler murray mvp conversation now he still shook the shit out of okuda and a couple other people made some plays but he looked like he just in aj i would like you to try to describe this better for me because i was trying to earlier it looked like he was uh like in a bad mood or something like like you know when you wake up and you're just not feeling it like hey i'm just not feeling whether it's you know you're in a bad mood or maybe your body isn't responding out as whatever it was it looked like he was like moody almost and that was kind of my big takeaway i'm like kyler doesn't look like the first two weeks

kyler kyler is very relaxed the first two weeks yesterday just looked like he was almost um i don't know just irritable almost looked like he was irritable. And a quarterback, especially at a spotlight quarterback, which Kyler Murray is going to be for a long, long time because of how good he is, consistency is king. And I just think yesterday he had a bad day. I'm not saying he won't bounce back, but he looked like a different dude. He looked moody. He looked like a moody guy yesterday.

And I don't know how you get that fixed, to be honest with you. Well, I mean, throwing three picks, I guess, can do that that to you but they had a chance to win they should have probably still won that ball game that's what good football teams do they win games that they may they may have been out of and then they shouldn't have but you got to find every single possible way to win but Kyler yeah he's weird to me he would it just something was off it seemed like you're not going to have it you're not going to have the good 16 straight Sundays. Like, you're not going to always have your A game, but his B, C game is still pretty damn good,

and he was able to find a way to almost win that game. I guess the Lions have to take some confidence from that because the Cardinals are a good football team. They're a solid team early this season. The Lions, we don't know where they are. Everyone kind of wrote them off already. Now they're back on the board. They're in the win column.

And 1-2 is a lot better than being 0-3, because if you're 0-3, stats tell us you're dead. Let's go to Ott in Estonia. What's going on, Ott? Greetings, fellows. Hey, over there in the Baltic. Hey, how's it going? Yeah, we looked at a map.

Thank you for having me. First, I would like to say hi to Mr. Hawkins, Mr. McAfee, and all the boys in the Big Gold Studio. Hello. Great to see you, Art. Mr. Art. I want to thank you for the most and the best and the ridiculous show in the whole wide world. Best sports show ever. Thank you.

From Estonia to America and all the towns in between, we appreciate you Best sports show ever. Thank you. From Estonia to America and all the towns in between, we appreciate you for listening, Mr. Ott. What do you want to talk about, brother? I was wondering, I was wearing my Alex Smith jersey, and I was thinking about him. And I want to know

what you guys think that Washington football team don't have anything to lose? And is it reasonable to just like Ron Rivera and the guys put Alex Smith on the field and showed everyone that if you're down as much as Alex Smith was, it's always you can come up if you work really, really hard. Yeah! Hell yeah! I like that about Ott. Yeah! Oh, my God!

Hell yeah, Ott! I like that about Ott. Yeah, Ron Rivera has come out. Thanks for the call, Ott. We appreciate you so much. We've got to get to a break here very, very soon because Dan Orlovsky's a busy guy. You know, he's breaking down film.

He's doing this. He's doing that. But I think Ron Rivera saying that Dwayne Haskins does have like a, hey, an expiration date almost. Like, let's get it going. That makes me wonder, who would they put in then? Is is it Kyle Allen is it Alex Smith who has a hamstring for a shin I mean there's a lot of conversation to be had and if you pull Dwayne Haskins does that mean Dwayne Haskins is not a Washington football team member for the foreseeable future

because Ron Rivera wasn't there when they draft him I mean that has big implications let alone being one of the greatest comeback stories in the history of sports. Oh, that's the show. Yep. Another overreaction Monday is in the books. Am I bummed about it? Absolutely. Nope. Cause we got overreaction Tuesday tomorrow. Yeah. We're back tomorrow. Yes. Chiefs and Ravens play tonight. More guests, everything like that. We can't wait to chat with you. Remember be a friend, tell a friend, if you enjoyed the show, if you didn't like the show, just act like it never happened, please. Ty Schmidt, we will see you manana. Ty Schmidt, please play some independent music. Thank you. I'm not going to let you go Thank you. Bye. សូវាប់បានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបរូវតែលារបស់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ I'm out.サブタイトル キミノミヤ