The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 271 - Tuesday Night Football Recap, Mark Schlereth, Dan Orlovsky, Andrew Brandt, & AJ Hawk
Episode Date: October 14, 2020On today's show, Pat and the boys recap last night's Tuesday Night Football game between the Titans and Bills and wonder if they need to reassess their thoughts on Josh Allen, and how Tennessee is emb...racing becoming the NFL's heel. Joining the program is 3x Super Bowl Champion, 2x Pro Bowler, member of the Broncos 50th anniversary team, member in the booth with Adam Amin for the NFL on FOX, friend of the show, Mark "Stink" Schlereth. Pat and Stink chat about the mentality of the Titans and how it's tailored around Mike Vrabel's attitude, where he thinks Lev Bell might end up, and his thoughts around the Broncos right now (24:16-46:45). Later, Joining Pat and AJ Hawk is 12 Year NFL veteran at Quarterback, co-host of NFL Live, and friend of the show, Dan Orlovsky. Pat, AJ, and Dan chat about Josh Allen and if he's still the MVP front runner, his thoughts on where Lev Bell may land, his thoughts on Adam Gase, and the issues he's currently seeing with Philip Rivers (1:08:08-1:23:28). Plus Pat and AJ discuss last night's game, chat about the Lev Bell situation, and whether or not Michael Thomas is going to be in New Orleans long term (48:29-1:23:28). Lastly, VP of Vayner Sports, host of the Business of Sport podcast, former VP of the Green Bay Packers, and friend of the program, Andrew Brandt joins the show. Pat and Andrew chat about how much he's been enjoying Aaron Rodgers Tuesday's, he shares of couple of stories about Aaron from his time in Green Bay, breaks down the intricacies of Lev Bell's contract, and discusses what he thinks is going to happen with Dak Prescott in Dallas (1:23:30-1:39:36). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow as we have reached 1 million subscribers and are giving away $100,000, and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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hello it is wednesday october 14th already wow wow wow wow i remember not too long ago we're
talking to taylor the one it was about to be october he celebrates hard spooktober he got
all pumped up about he was like oh here we go halloween which leads into thanksgiving which
leads into the holiday season and then 2021 which by the way 2020 is gone 2021 here we go
and he's like october spooked over the best month of the year and then immediately after that
interview with him yeah the entire titans team got covered yes they did you know and then i mean And then, I mean, that's a big talking point for today. Said suspension of facility for players, coaches, everybody,
because they had to clean up.
Was it an advantage?
May have been.
Is a side effect to COVID getting better at football?
Fauci will go to have to figure that one out because it looked like that.
We'll talk about that today. mean big conversations today and it's already October 14th 2020 we got incredible
guests we obviously have Mark Schlereth are you kidding me stinks coming on today Andrew Brandt
oh my god that's what I was about to say we have a big brain guy coming in and also potentially a
guy who made a penis joke on the internet last night.
Yeah, Mr. Dan Orslovsky.
Dan Orslovsky has been pounding the drum about Josh Allen being an MVP player since the beginning.
Oh, yeah.
He actually said, hey, when this happens, I actually want to be the first person that has said it.
Right.
And by the way, we agreed.
Hey, Josh Allen's been playing great football.
Incredible football.
But a Tuesday night game wasn't his best effort, wasn't his best showing.
What will Dane Orslavsky have to say about that?
I know one thing I got to say.
That if you're gambling anywhere other than FanDuel, you're wrong.
These boosts that they put up, not even my boosts that have been hitting, by the way,
but not even my boosts, but the odds boost that they just put up for everybody hit.
Oh, yeah.
Last night hit Monday night hit Sunday.
A bunch of them hit.
I mean, these boosts where the odds are basically across the board.
And for those that don't know how to gamble, odds is like the amount of money you'll make on your return of your bet on said thing so if something is more likely to happen the odds on it uh the payback on it is
very low because it's not that big of a gamble so you don't win as much because it's kind of
obvious in everybody's eyes so basically every sports book has about the same odds on everything
they have the same spreads on just about everything the same odds on just about everything so the only
thing you can really judge upon is or get a better deal on is okay what's the upfront free bet
that i can get uh and i think fandor right now is 500 i'm not 100 sure it could be 50 those change
every single month i'm not 100 sure but then you start looking at okay who boosts the odds for bets
more than anywhere else who's going to give me a better return on my investment in my sports knowledge and fandle boost odds more than
anybody else they do it's actually a bad business plan it really is because they're kicking my teeth
everywhere else and then these boosts just hit all right i'm staying afloat it's interesting i
wonder if they have that like who cares like in our eyes right they give us an amazing deal to be a partner with them
and for us like yeah we would like them to succeed obviously but the goal is to take all of their
fucking money just like anytime you walk into a casino your goal is to take every chip out of
there and if it isn't your goal hey don't sit at the table with me don't need that type of attitude
or or alongside we're coming in here yeah we're gonna have a good time yeah we're
gonna have a good time we might split we might split queens because that's what kings do that's
right if a bus card is on the table we might throw some dice or whatever but in the end back of our
mind might have some drinks a lot of drinks what vodka what beer what what you might do all that
but at the end of the day the goal is to take every single chip out of that casino with you
you walk up to the cashier and you work for me now actually that's the goal of when you go
with us with vandal sportsbook gambling same mindset i'm trying to take every fucking dollar
they got that's right i've been on a heater last night i got talked into a bet you'll hear about that
i didn't love it but it was a team thing i'm a team guy uh but if you're gambling anywhere other
than fandle please please do yourself a favor and come rock with us it's a good time and if you're
part of their daily fantasy i know they did have an outage with their stat collector or stat do or
independent party or something like that i do not do the daily fantasy i don't know the fantasy
but i do believe uh that made a lot of people pissed off let's assume the company that's
boosting odds for everybody and refunding bets and everything like that is going to try to do
everything they possibly can to make this up to you what happened and that is i don't have those
conversations with them about that type of stuff i did see a lot of the tweets i did send the tweets
to the powers that be like hey hey, I am hearing about this.
Do you guys know about this?
Let's assume that the company that I think they just refunded like $80 million a month ago or something.
Yes, they did.
Let's assume they'll make it right.
I think they will.
All right, good.
Speaking of make, I hope they do, by the way.
Yeah, they should.
Exactly.
We want you to know that we are on the side of them making it right.
All in favor say aye.
Aye.
The rest of the office said aye as well.
Okay, let's get to the show.
Who wants to do that?
Say aye.
Aye.
Fucking let's go.
So much drama.
So much controversy.
So much for the Bills and Josh Allen being an mvp candidate i'm not saying that one bad game
especially one that's on tuesday for the second time in like 70 years in the nfl's history cannot
change our viewpoint on the massive growth that josh allen has shown from his first year to his
second year and from last year into this year being his third year. But last night, a team that hasn't been in their facility for two weeks.
A team that had an outbreak of a virus that shut down the world inside of their facility.
A team that everybody on earth bet against last night.
And a team that everybody on earth was rooting against last night.
The Tennessee Titans absolutely trampled the Buffalo Bills.
It was a nonstop throttling.
The only negative that came from the Titans last night was that Tannehill almost blew out his ACL
doing a finger roll celebration after he ran one in wide open.
Not to talk about he threw a wide open touchdown with his foot still on the line of scrimmage that they didn't call back.
Derek Henry stiff-armed Josh Norman out of the stadium.
I mean, there was a lot of big moments for the Tennessee Titans last night.
But also, not just for the Tennessee Titans, but for every NFL player that has ever said, does practice matter?
Does practice even matter?
Whenever I came into the NFL, Jim Caldwell was our head coach.
Jim Caldwell came from the Tony Dungy regime, which was there beforehand, obviously.
And we had an older team at the time.
Obviously, Peyton Manning and the boys were the mainstay of the roster, but they were
an older team.
And all Jim Caldwell said every single week was, we want to be the freshest and the fastest
team on Sunday.
Freshest, fastest.
That's all he cared about.
So now, granted, Peyton ran the practices, and if Peyton wanted to redo a period or ten, we would do that.
But it felt like our time on the field was not as long as it did become at certain different times whenever teams were trying to figure things out.
The meeting room was paramount.
It was like, hey, we're going to watch more film.
We're going to be the freshest, fastest, and most most prepared i guess was the third one there and for me it
didn't matter i'm kicking ball left or right but you get what i'm saying they watch more film they
went through more things mentally they did walkthroughs at a different level there was a
lot of things about being the freshest and the fastest team and i'm saying them because i literally
just watched it happen because i didn't have to really do much to begin with. But that team, every single Sunday, was ready to go.
And the reason it was, I always thought, because they were a mature team and they could handle that.
Like, hey, they'll get the business done off the field that they need to get done
so that they are the freshest and the fastest on Sunday,
even though you're not getting the conditioning and the cardio and the practice during the week.
And that team was able to do it.
Last night with the Tennessee Titans, two weeks, very early in the season, before that team really even knows what they are this year,
out of the building, two weeks of not being able to be in a strength or a weight room that is an
NFL weight room, two weeks of them having to stay conditioned, two weeks of them having to watch
film by themselves without having somebody hover over top of them telling them to watch film two weeks of all that and they come out in just from beginning to end beat the shit out of the
buffalo bills i mean just just absolutely beat the shit out of now josh allen didn't have his
greatest game the first pick everybody saw is off guy's hands malcolm butler who i don't think
he's made it had an interception as a super bowl he takes one uh last night makes a great move
almost goes there then he has another one because of of an overthrow in a drive that they had to make.
But I guess Dan Orlovsky told me that that play was a zigzag situation.
It wasn't on Josh Allen, which we will talk to Dan Orlovsky, by the way, in the third hour.
We will also talk to Andrew Brandt, former, like, he's a super business guy in sports.
He did, I don't know if he's a general manager for the
packers but he was like the vp of finance vp of finance for uh the packers at one point he was
an agent alongside michael jordan's agent i mean he's he's done everything you could possibly do
in the sports business world we want to talk to him about lev bell in the lev bell situation
because this feels like this is potentially a leonard fournette double dip type situation
where you're a running back who gets cut from your team somehow because
they say they've tried to trade you and nobody will bite so you just get cut so they eat all
the money and you can get your contract that the previous team that cut you has to pay you
and another team's contract as long as it's less i think than the original contract which i believe
is 6.6 million is what the jets potentially owe him this this year. Diggs, am I right in that number?
Yeah, I believe so.
$6.6 million.
So if he goes and gets a deal that's less than that or whatever,
like let's say it's a million-dollar deal,
he'll make a million from the new team, $6.6 from the Jets.
They still have to pay him.
We'll put that together.
We'll talk to Andrew Brand about that because this is a very,
very interesting happenstance.
Le'Veon Bell just gets cut.
We heard yesterday he was up on the trade block.
We all said that was going to be a very tough sell because of the contract that it was and everything like that then a couple hours later it
comes out he's cut then after that it comes out that they've been trying to trade him since last
year's trade deadline then it comes out that is it because he liked two tweets that basically
questioned the way adam gaze is you i mean there is so much drama in the jets organization if you're
a good player you can get out of there just by speaking out or liking a tweet that says that
your head coach is bad i mean there is some insane shit going on.
But now we have to ask, where's Le'Veon Bell going?
Le'Veon Bell, if he is anything like, and we don't know.
Hey, we don't know if he's anything like he was three years ago.
Okay?
Three years ago, incredible player.
Then he holds out for a year because he won 17 M's a year, I believe.
He said that in a freestyle in his front yard before tossing keys or a ball to a friend.
I forget what it was.
Good flow, by the way.
He says he won 17 M's a year.
He sits out an entire year with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
In said year, he moves down to South Florida.
He makes a rap album.
He was partying on yachts, having a good time.
To be honest, looked like he was not really missing the game much at all and was succeeding, by the way. Those rap album debut parties looked like they were having a good time to be honest looked like he was not really missing the game much at all and was succeeding by the way those those rap album debut parties look like they were having a
good time they were a good time so i was like really pumped for him then his holdout works he
gets a bigger deal than he was going to get offered from the pittsburgh sailors to go to the new york
jets that new york jets team which has now paid him 28 million dollars to play in 18 games that
gm that signed him was fired the coach fired
adam gaze new gm and new head coach adam gaze come in they're stuck with this contract he doesn't
like them they don't like him so now it's just kind of like who budges first here and it felt
like the jets said we're picking adam gaze over levion bell because if this is all because of
levion bell's comments about adam gaze then that would
mean if you don't pick the one side it means you have to pick the other or are they just planning
on firing gaze after this year too and they're just doing bell like a yeah you're probably going
to be gone after this year anyways go ahead and find a new team it's very interesting over there
but who signs lev bell i think it's potentially the buccaneers why Why do I think that? Not sure.
Just feels like it's possible at this point.
It really does just feel like it's possible at this point.
They only got like $2.2 million, but what we just said about the double dip on a contract like they did with Leonard Fournette, they don't have to pay him that much, I think.
I think he's going to go to a team that could be a winner.
If you're Le'Veon Bell, why would you want to go to another team that stinks?
You probably don't.
You're at the Steelers, good team, playing for playoffs.
You go to the Jets, bad team, not playing for anything. You're at the Steelers. Good team playing for playoffs. You go to the Jets.
Bad team.
Not playing for anything.
Life is kind of miserable there.
Or maybe it wasn't.
Maybe it's just collect a paycheck.
Whoever's going to pay me.
Not 100% sure.
But it feels like the Bucs are a place.
They got a couple injuries in the backfield.
They have a lot of talent back there.
But nothing like Le'Veon Bell.
If he can play like he played three years ago before the yachts and the raps and everything
and the Jets and the Adam Gase umbrella, which we know is a problem.
Adam Gase has ruined a lot of careers. I just don't know where he goes but i'm here for it i think
it's potentially the buccaneers maybe the patriots maybe ends up at the patriots just strictly because
it's the patriots and that would make a lot of sense and if cam newton and lev bell are in the
backfield there let's assume that's potentially going to be successful and if he can buy in
to the patriot way which nobody really knows what that means because whenever people explain the patriot way they basically say
oh they work hard they watch film and they eat right it's like well oh so they just win
so that's a patriot way maybe ends up there maybe ends up somewhere else who knows we'll talk about
that today our first guest in about 14 minutes will be mark schlereth i'm sure he has some takes
on this i mean we got a big ass wednesday All the boys are here at Tone Diggs.
Last night we lost our bet, but we went down as a team.
We did lose our bet, and little did we know,
like we didn't get this information from the Titans locker room,
that they were in there getting motivation from people accurately pointing out
that they practiced when they shouldn't have practiced
and all this woe-is-me bullshit coming out of that locker room.
I heard you did not like that afterwards.
They did play like the world's against us, which, by the way,
I do believe they are accurate.
The world was turning against them.
You don't think so?
Well, yeah, we were, but they had 24 cases of COVID
when I think every other team, like the highest was like two maybe.
So maybe you did do something wrong,
but good for them for turning around into motivation.
Well, and I think what does have to be looked at, and I tweeted this last night,
is one of the side effects of COVID, because we don't know much about COVID.
No, we don't.
We don't know much about COVID at this point.
We still don't know.
I think every day maybe we learn something new at this point,
and who would have thought we'd be here?
But maybe one of the side effects of COVID is that you get better at football.
It's possible.
I don't know.
Is Fauci going to look into that?
I know he's got a lot of stuff going on,
but this is potentially a ripple effect.
Let's see what happens around the league
if another team gets it, how they perform.
But this is something that we cannot wipe off the table
because I don't think anybody expected them
to be able to perform the way they did,
especially when it comes to conditioning and cardio
because doesn't COVID attack the lungs?
So they didn't practice for two weeks.
They couldn't condition.
And half their roster had a lung thing.
And last night, they just right through the entire thing.
Is the side effect that you get good at football?
That is a real question that I have that I would like to be answered.
Also, shout out Ryan Tannehill.
He is, since he has got out from under a gaze,
one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
Stug.
Athlete.
I don't know how he didn't break his leg on that celebration.
That's like Martin Gramatica back in the day day everybody makes fun of kickers like uh because of that situation like uh kickers
celebrate and they tear their acls that happens or whatever and i'm just like okay well maybe it's
just that particular kicker we ever think about that if that happens to a quarterback like terrible
obviously i don't like that because they know so good but then it's not just the kickers that have
done it you know and that because that's a real thing you keep his leg look like it
hyperextended yeah it did big time and i was i was oh my god and i watched him jog to the
sideline there wasn't even a grimace on his face i was like i don't know is this guy he must be
very pliable it must be tb12 yeah must be tb12 but that looked bad that was like the covid doing
that i don't know does covid make you make him more pliable? More pliability.
I don't know.
Is TB12 actually just COVID?
The immunity.
Wow.
It was very interesting, though.
When I saw that, I was like, damn, he just hurt himself.
And the entire second half, I think everybody thought they were going to die off.
I think I did because I'm like, oh, there's no way these guys out of the facility were working out as hard as they would be in the facility, whether it's or anything like that and they didn't almost felt like they got stronger and better it's good for them i mean it's early in the season still but good for them
uh at boston connor if levion bell goes to the patriots i think the whole world will be uh once
again upset and the whole world will say the other 31 teams could assign them because this is going
to be the situation the other 31 teams could assign them they won't if bill belichick signs them everybody will go of course bill belichick
signs them it's like yeah this is what bill would do but i'm not saying they will but this is one
of those situations where you can see it happening that bill belichick's smartest guy in the room
again well cam and love bill in the same backfield is detrimental to the entire nfl like you said but
we have to also keep an account that love bell probably wants to get back at the jets pretty
good so he might want to stay in the division, come on over to the Patriots,
and then stick it real good to the Jets' score.
I don't know, four or five touchdowns in one game against them.
Hey, do what you got to do, pal.
And the thing about it is, what?
Whenever he's not in the backfield, he's a slot receiver.
If he is still the guy that he was three years ago.
That is the big question.
Is he still capable of playing like the guy that played three years ago?
By the way, wouldn't blame him if he couldn't.
Wouldn't blame him if he couldn't.
Of course not.
He got $28 million in 18 games.
Nick pointed that out earlier.
That is quite an incentive to maybe not want to get beat to death
every single Sunday.
That might be.
It may be the time off.
He did lose a little bit because we did see early Gronk
was kind of like pulling back from massive contact
because it is a terribly difficult position,
both tight end and running back.
I think Gronk is getting back into it,
and I'm not saying Lev Bell is anywhere near there,
but if he's anything like the three years ago Lev Bell,
you can play him at slot,
and then you can move him to the backfield when you need him.
And in a team that doesn't have a lot of weapons up there with New England,
that would be a decision that Bill Bill Belichick would make.
And everybody would be like, of course, of course, of course he did.
It is a thought like maybe, you know, Lev Bell isn't what he used to be.
But let's remember when you're in the eye of Hurricane Gase, I mean,
there's nothing you can do, but you are locked down.
So right now he's slowly getting out of there.
He's slowly coming back.
I have no worries that Lev Bell is Lev Bell and that he'll go off wherever he
goes to. Let's just hope it's New England.
Jim Cantor puts his waders on and goes into Hurricane Gase every single day,
and all he sees is shit flying everywhere.
There's cows.
It's like the movie Twister in that Gase Hurricane in there.
And when you're in the eye of it, you're done for.
We saw one of the potential victims of that last night.
He's got paid over $100 million since leaving the Gase umbrella
and has become an absolutely incredible quarterback in Tannehill.
We've seen it time and time again.
Robbie Anderson is out there doing it.
Devontae Parker.
I mean, you just go down the list of names of all these people
who are very good whenever he's not around.
Is Lev Bell going to be that guy?
What's up, dude?
Does it give you confidence in him that last year with Gase,
he did have 800 rushing yards and 66 catches for 461 yards?
Yeah, so he's still got it.
Guy's still got it.
He weathered the storm then.
He did weather that hurricane.
It's difficult.
But I'll tell you what,
whenever you just got your house getting beat down on so much by that hurricane,
at some point you're inevitably going to tap out.
At some point you're going to have to not go as hard as you would go
because the guy that is in the hurricane, controlling the hurricane,
a lot of the Truman show up there,
is just a miserable mess and not good at what he does. You you could see how that could happen for levy on bell the left
bell bomb shelter was running out of supplies i mean he had to get out of that basement and let's
hope that we can just watch levy on bell be amazing at football again because it is so entertaining
to watch him dance around in the backfield and go for 60 and a score when we when we played the
steelers listening to when he was there listening to
defensive coaches talk about his style of running was fucking awesome Chuck Pagano whenever we play
now I don't think they paid enough attention to Ben Roethlisberger if I had to hindsight it and I
think that was very evident with the um the outcomes of said games but whenever he would
talk about Le'Veon Bell and then they would show highlights they would show levion bell highlights and he uh i think chuck called him magic man okay because
now you see me now you don't okay listen this guy you got to tackle him through the ground okay
this isn't like uh because he will disappear on you and then he rose the highlight here look look
look wait wait wait gone it was just like like watching him talk about levion bell and then watching the clips as
he was talking about it was like damn this guy is unbelievable that was i think he was one of the
only people that was really talked about the way that he was talked about that day it was just like
listening to them talk about levion bell was like oh damn and then the reactions in the room obviously
to some highlights there was like a lot of like a lot of that so if he could get back to that the nfl is better with that guy playing like that but i think
it involves a lot of touches like i think he has to get the ball a lot good i think he has to get
into like a rhythm i think he has to get into like that type of thing and i think he has to be with
an offensive line for a while because i think they have to learn about each other because now granted
i don't know how difficult it is being offensive lineman ever because that is a terrible job to have I mean it is a very
difficult job but when you got a running back behind you that will literally just wait for you
to make a decision and then go I mean it is it's probably an interesting world but he gets behind
a good offensive line who knows what the hell is going to happen at Ty Schmidt what are your
thoughts bub well uh it's actually funny because last night not on Le'Veon Bell but I was watching
that game and for a second there I thought I was watching that game, and for a second there,
I thought I was watching the game from like 2018 or something.
Why is that?
Well, I'm just expecting Josh Allen to come out.
Throw for 600 yards and eight touchdowns.
Why are you doing this?
Because the Bills Mafia came after us a little bit?
Well, yeah, and they always – I mean, I'm just trying to –
Rodgers is playing much better than Josh Allen.
He's having a nice year.
He's having a nice year.
He is.
Why are you kicking a guy when he's down
right now when you get beat like that like when you get just absolutely fucking dog walked like
that like is there any dissension and not dissension in the locker room but it's like
well okay maybe we should pump the brakes and we're not as good as we thought we were i would
assume everybody outside the locker room is thinking that i don't know if the bills inside
the locker room bought into their own hype right i? I don't know if Sean McDermott
runs that type of operation
over there.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect that.
Or they got to get better and better.
And I think also,
we talked about this
on Hammer Don yesterday
with Michael Lombardi,
former general manager
and advisor and counsel
and the guy just knows football.
It is...
Yeah.
It is un...
I mean, talking to Michael Lombardi
is just absolutely unbelievable.
But his big thing was whenever we're gambling,
every time I talk to him,
I feel like I learned something brand new about football.
It's like next level football.
But when we're talking to him about gambling,
he was like,
we have to stop overreacting to one performance the next week,
because in the gambling world,
what have you done for me lately?
And I think books are taking advantage of people thinking like that.
So they set a line where you, in your mind, you're like,
oh, this team stunk last week.
They're going to get blown out.
But if you look at previous weeks, they were good.
I think the Buffalo Bills could have potentially just had
a Tuesday night nightmare.
Right.
I think where things just, I mean, bobbled ball pick all the way down.
I mean, there was just numerous things you're watching.
It's like, oh, this is just not their night.
So I don't think Bills Mafia or anybody in the locker room is distraught or whatever.
In the locker room, you can't because there's another game coming.
So you can't think about what happened before.
Fans do that a lot more.
They think about what happened.
They're upset more.
And then sometimes they'll hear a player on Wednesday or Thursday be like, ah, we can't
think about that.
We got to move forward.
And sometimes fans can get upset.
They're like, oh, we care more than you do.
It's like, no, no, no, because if you do,
what's going to happen next week is you're going to get your ass kicked again.
So I think the Bills are probably excited to get back on the field again
after what happened.
And I'm not 100% out on the Bills at this point.
I just think they had a terrible game.
A terrible game.
That was bad.
What if they turn around and get the shit beat out of them by the Chiefs?
Well, and then the Chiefs, by the way, are only at minus four and a half which is by the way this is the sports books yep yeah trying to get
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guy who is an entrepreneur as well, has a chili out there that is delicious.
It's almost chili season, isn't it?
Oh, yeah.
It feels like it's almost chili season, ladies and gentlemen.
The handsome Mark Schlaer.
Yes, dude!
Very kind of you, Pat.
Very kind of you.
I need to know where I get for the brand t-shirt.
I'll tell you what.
Let's make a deal.
You throw me a couple of for brand t-shirts or maybe a hat and a t-shirt,
and I'll ship you out some green chili.
In case so.
For the brand.
For the brand.
Yeah, for the brand. You know I've said it many
times on TV.
Aaron Rodgers
did for the brand t-shirt.
And you know, I mean,
Aaron's a bigger deal than me. I get it.
No!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of though yeah yeah kind of right yeah yeah i get
that i get that but i'm okay with that so let's uh you know let's let's get on the trading table
here what size double uh yeah yeah double would be double would be tremendous well we got one do
you get a chance to work?
Yeah, we got one that got shipped to the office.
We don't know how it got here, but we're pretty pumped.
It'll be on your way.
What color would you like?
Uh, we'll figure that out off air, but I would like.
Yeah, you guys, yeah, you guys, whatever, whatever, uh, whatever you throw my way,
I will, uh, I will proudly wear.
Oh, an entire, an entire gift package is coming, pal.
We are pumped about that stink.
Do you, do, now you're traveling for games
with adam i mean you guys are very good together by the way so it's a fun game to listen to last
year when i was traveling around doing games and all that stuff i i weighed 275 pounds at one point
do you do you get fat during the season is it difficult for you uh during the season yes i i
have gotten very fat during my first several seasons of doing football.
As a matter of fact, I'd say about 12 weeks ago, I was 270, 269.
Right now, I'm about 245.
Let's go.
Yeah, and so anybody listening right now, so i've got here's here's the deal
all right i'm gonna help you guys out all right get your pen yeah uh get your paper out and get
yourself ready to write here's the deal okay okay you want to lose weight stop eating oh okay
holy shit so we don't do that all right right, stop eating. That's been the key, really.
That's option two.
You know, walking on the treadmill and doing all that.
Just quit eating.
You'll lose weight.
Well, we're proud of you for being able to.
I'll tell you what, it is very difficult,
especially whenever I got that stink chili on.
Oh, wow.
But that's keto-friendly, man.
You're going to be okay on this one. You'll be fine. All right, let's talk about the football that you cover, and. But that's keto-friendly, man. You're going to be okay on this one.
You'll be fine.
All right.
Let's talk about the football that you cover, and we appreciate that.
Zito Wood is still waiting for option two on how we can potentially lose away quickly,
but, I mean, that's on you, and you guys will figure that out.
Lev Bell gets cut yesterday, last night.
Yeah.
This happens in the middle of a Tuesday night football game, second time in 70 years or whatever,
and obviously we can talk about the Bills just getting their ass beat by a team that
hasn't practiced in two weeks and there's a lot of conversation to be had there we will have that
but levy on bell getting cut do you think in your very sophisticated opinion he is anything like the
player he was three years ago whenever he was at the pittsburgh steelers before the holdout and
before hurricane gaze got a hold of him which we have seen a resume of ruining players that Hurricane Gase has done.
Do you think he's anywhere near the same player he was three years ago when he was unbelievable,
like a spectacle to watch on a gamely basis?
And where do you think he ends up at this point, depending on that answer?
Yeah, listen, obviously you're three years older, which doesn't help,
but there's not a lot of tread on the tires in those three years.
It's not like he's played a ton of football.
He sat out for a year, and I think he was injured with the Jets
in the first year there.
So it's not like he's done a lot.
I always worry about guys from the standpoint of do you love football
or do you love the ancillary things that come with money in football?
Do you love the cars? Do you love the women? Do you love the lifestyle? Do you love football or do you love the ancillary things that come with money in football? Do you love the cars?
Do you love the women?
Do you love the lifestyle?
Do you love all those things?
Or do you actually love the game?
Because the game is hard.
And that would be my question for Le'Veon Bell.
Do you really love the game?
Because if he really loves the game, I would say that he still has plenty of tread on the tires to be exceptional at this game at the running back position because
he has that versatility that duality to be able to run the ball run the ball tough between the
tackles the speed get outside and his ability from the backfield not only the backfield to
catch but he can run routes from you know the slot like a receiver so yeah i would i would say
that he still has you know an ability to be an effective player. Do you want to play?
Do you really want to put in that work?
And I get it.
Like, I get going to an organization like the Jets.
Like, I watch the Jets play, and I'm thinking to myself,
is it too late for the Jets to opt out?
You know, a lot of players opted out, right?
A lot of players decided, hey, man, COVID's too tough.
I don't want to play.
And I respect that, and I understand that. But I i think the jets might go retroactively say on second thought
we don't want to play anymore like it yeah we're opting out of the season like we're just done
it sounds like said dog agrees with you there yeah i romeo your dog pipe down
sometimes he forgets he thinks he's part of the conversation.
I understand.
If his name's Romeo, by the way, he should be peacocking all around that damn house.
That's a great name for a dog.
What type of dog is it?
It's a Loso.
Ted?
Something or other.
It's kind of a mutt.
Small?
Big?
It's bigger than it should be because know because uh he is really my he's really my wife's dog
and um you know he there here my wife just comes in the door he always starts barking when i do
interviews he just like he wants to be part of the conversation hey we love romeo we're pumped
he got involved right there and hopefully he'll get a treat for doing such a thing and agreeing
to you but that's interesting what you said there about lev bell and whether or not he loves football because it's a tough game everybody
wants to be a lion until it comes time to do what lions do is kind of the old quote that a lot of
coaches have and and things like that because there are people that get captivated by the nfl
lifestyle and they want to put it on their twitter resume or they want to put it on their instagram
or they want to take a picture in a facility but then whenever it comes to okay now this is what
you have to do to do it uh you're not going to be going out really you're going to be going to bed early especially in this covid
year you're going to be staying in your apartment you have to make sure you're working out you have
to watch more film than anybody else you have to treat this as if you're getting a doctorate in
football that's those are all the things that you kind of realize quickly that outside of like maybe
one percent of the nfl guys that don't have to really try that hard and they're just unbelievable
that is what it takes to be in the nfl and it's very quick you can realize like oh that person has no idea what
this means to be here like they think just getting here getting it on their Twitter bio is enough
and at this point 28 million dollars in 18 games for Lev Bell 28 million dollars if his entire
mission was to get money which he rapped and said that it is but I think that is just kind of a
rapper thing he's already
done that him saying there's still a lot more to prove i feel like he potentially does have a
mindset where he wants to still play i hope so because when he's playing it is awesome to watch
march dude when he was playing when he did what he did in pittsburgh the vision that he had the
ability to set his blockers up that's one of the things that blew me away when I would watch film is how patient he could be.
How, you know, how, how, like just his, his movement across the board, across the line of scrimmage and basically setting up one player to get an edge on another player and then bouncing outside of that player and then waiting for somebody to climb to the second level linebacker and like and just being so patient and letting that block
develop and then cutting up underneath that I mean it was like nobody had ever watched do it before
and then like we talked about his ability outside to line up and be a receiver in those situations
the guy is a a great player when he wants to play and um and again there are those organizations
that you go to that uh and the jets seem to be one of those organizations that you're just like
you know what i made a mistake like this is this this is a train wreck and um i don't know how you
could describe the jets as anything other than a train wreck right now a dumpster fire but the um
the levy on bell saga you are obviously super bowl champion offensive lineman center
word number 69 legend and everything that you've really ever done the being an offensive line does
he have to go to a place that has a good offensive line like is that obviously he's going to go
somewhere that wins right he's with the pittsburgh steelers they work in practice for playoff games
meaningful games the jets it doesn't feel like you're showing up at practice for anything that's
potentially meaningful especially at this point.
So it might be, I assume he's going to go somewhere good,
and I think he can double dip contract-wise
because the Jets have to pay him and somewhere else can pay him.
You might as well go to a place that has a good team
and a chance to really win it all.
Does it matter how great the offensive line is,
or does he make the offensive line better because of his running style,
or is it something where they have to learn about each other
because he runs unlike anybody else that has ever really done it before in the NFL yeah I think
that I mean obviously it helps to go to a good offensive line um but you know it's it's like
when I was here in Denver blocking for Terrell Davis when he was going you know for 1700 yards
and 2000 yards and doing all those things um I used to say all the time the guy makes up for a
multitude of
sins like you don't have to block them that long when you got a guy like that in your backfield
and again the way he sets up blocks he can make guys a lot better so i would say that
levy on bell you know if he went to a place that had a good system a good quarterback good
o-line that would be beneficial but he'll help make uh an average o-line better and and that's you know that's the beauty of the if that's what he wants to do and
that's what he's willing to sacrifice to do then i think all those things are true the interesting
thing here is he's going to end up at the patriots and everybody's going to go of course of course he
is and or he'll end up at the bucks and everybody be like of course tom brady signed him i don't
know how many teams are really going to reach out to him. I'll be intrigued to see that.
Let's talk about that game last night, Mark.
Should we dive into what happened to the Bills last night
playing against a team that had a virus outbreak in their facility
that shut down the entire world and hadn't practiced for two weeks
and got just absolute beaten to shit last night
from beginning to end of that game?
Is there anything we should look at the Bills differently should we be looking at the titans differently because of this
no i think i think you look at the titans a little bit differently i mean first and foremost i got a
bunch of people on twitter telling me oh you know you can pound sand about the you know your titans
take and the fact that you know like the like the titans like the titans went to this high school
thing to practice
and they didn't get penalized for it.
And, you know, they broke protocol, but they didn't know they broke protocol.
Say whatever you want.
I don't really give a rip.
I'm not going to apologize for any of that.
But to act like the Titans were a victim I think is just ridiculous.
Mark, hold on.
Mark, I want to let you know, our guy Diggs,
his first take on the show
today was he was sick of the
Mickey Mouse BS
victim thing. But by the way, if they used
that as motivation, you got to respect it. But you're not the
only one that feels that way. I think a lot of people
feel that way. I think it was harder
for the Bills. At least the Titans had
the league in their ear every day
going, okay, your facility's shut down.
You can't come to practice.
You can't do this.
You can't do that.
Every day they had an update based on their COVID tests and everything else.
The Bills were just sitting around waiting.
Can we practice today?
How much can we practice?
What if we play on Sunday?
What if we play on Monday?
What if it gets pushed back down Tuesday?
It's their sitting there waiting.
I think it was more difficult being in the Bills position than it was in the Tennessee
Titans position. And listen, no disrespect to what they did. They came out and thunder punched
them in the throat. I mean, it was just like, wham, wham. Yeah, I mean, when you get thunder
punched in the throat, it's hard to speak. And that's what they did to the Bills, and good for them. I mean, here's what I love about them.
You know, to find your, or to get to your destination,
like, the most direct route to your destination is to have a plan
and understand what you are and how you're going to get there, right?
Yep.
If you don't know what you are, if you don't have an identity built,
you can stop at any, you know, hey, the world's biggest ball of twine, let's pull in.
You know, we've got to check that out, right?
Hey, let's get over here and get a cup of coffee,
and then let's swing over here because, you know,
we want to look at some other attraction.
Well, it's going to take you a long time to figure out where your destination is.
The one thing about the Tennessee Titans and Mike Braybill,
and I'll give Mike a ton of credit, they know what they are.
They're going to come out there, and they're going to throw haymakers at you.
They're going to beat you up. And when you look at the final
statistics, and I'm not a big stats guy,
but you know, Ryan Tannen, oh, how great is he?
He had 195 yards passing.
I think, you know, Derek Henry
as physically as he is,
he had 19 carries for like 60 yards
and three yards a carry or something like that.
It's not like statistically
they statistically dominated the game. They just physically went out there and whooped ass and and that's who they are
and you know when you play them that's what you're in for and if you're not up for that challenge you
can't match you can't match that line of scrimmage intensity and physicality you're going to get beat
especially if you lose the turnover margin like they did with those two turnovers i mean that is
just very difficult to give up possessions of the ball to a team that is going to come out and swing
at you and their commitment to the run no matter what i mean derrick henry will get a half a yard
and it's almost like they're like yeah that's going to happen we don't care here we go we'll
do it again if you can stop this defensive end congrats but we're going to be able to take
advantage of whatever you're taking right now and getting worn down. It is a cool way to watch football.
It's old school, man.
It is old school football.
There's a mentality to run the football that very few teams have.
You know, like we always, when I was in Denver, we always applauded the two-yard run.
We're like, as long as a two-yard run is physical, nasty, guys are on the ground, guys have to get up,
we know on third down and seven, they're not going to be as good as pass rushers.
And we're going to take advantage of that.
And in today's game, unfortunately, that's not how guys become, you know,
that's not how offensive coordinators become head coaches, right?
Like a young, innovative, you know, offensive play caller
who gets a young quarterback to play well and throw for a lot of yards,
that's like Viagra to 80-year-old owners.
I mean, they love that stuff, right?
They cannot wait.
They can't wait to hire that guy.
But the bottom line is when you look at Tennessee, man,
they know what they are.
They know what they want to accomplish.
They want to physically wear you out.
And if it's a two-yard gain, it is like they will applaud that
because they understand over time what that does to a defense
as far as wearing them out and how much less.
I mean, Ryan Tannehill played clean.
He didn't get hit one time.
I mean, he didn't get sacked.
Like, there was no pressure on him.
Why?
Because you are that committed.
And now, all of a sudden, as an offensive lineman,
if we're throwing a five-step drop, like an all-go pattern, right,
I don't have to take a five-step drop set.
I can up-kick a guy and make it look like Ron,
and I'm still going to win that.
I'm going to win that matchup.
They give their guys an opportunity to take the passive out of pass protection
and take the aggression to the line of scrimmage because of the way they believe
the philosophical approach they have in the game,
and it just helps you in everything that you do.
You know, when you throw the ball 60 times a game,
and you've got great route concepts and things you've got to build,
that offensive lineman the
entire probably not even in a three point stance ever at the tackle position in a lot of places
you're just sitting back you're just getting beat up the entire time you got to take it
in their offense they're fighting the person those are two very different mentalities that
are happening and there's not a lot of teams that are doing that there's not a lot of teams no
baltimore's doing it i i have the i have the just the privilege of consulting for a couple
of teams it's one of the things i always talk to teams about from a play calling standpoint
can you take the passive out of pass protection i don't want to be passive i want to be the
aggressor yeah let me kick their ass yeah but to do that to do that and to be effective at that
you have to really understand how to run the ball
and where to pick your spots from a pass protection standpoint.
So, for instance, if I have 30 pass plays in any game, can I have a couple of bubble screens where I can come off the ball?
Can I have five or six three-step drops where I can come off the ball?
Can I have a couple of five-step drops where I can still come off the ball?
Can I eliminate those 30 pass throws down to about 10 where I legitimately have,
you know, a seven-step drop or a five-step drop with a couple of hitches?
I'm telling you, did you ever – were you an old lineman back in the day?
Pretty good, dude.
I used to do public pass sets.
It was awesome.
I used to just, like, in the middle of the airport.
Hey, what's up, Romeo?
In the middle of the airport, people would just be walking by.
So I'm sitting at the gate.
A.Q. Shipley, good friend of mine, normally traveling with me.
And I would just start pass protecting random people at the airport.
And he's always like, I need to be a little bit more square.
I'm like, all right, let me square the hips a little bit here.
Don't give him the numbers.
Boom, bang, bang.
I got it.
I got a kick set. I'm telling you i used to well i used to do fake kicking
like i used to smart because i punted in high school you know and i kicked off and did all
that stuff but um and i used to do it at practice all the time with with the kickers but i will tell
you it did the the whole pass pro thing, I absolutely love it.
And we had a special teams player for us, a backup linebacker,
sometimes starter, Glinka Drez, great guy,
one of the funniest dudes I've ever been around.
And he would do passes because he was on pump pro.
You're like the left tackle on pump pro,
and you've got to be out there doing that.
And he used to call himself Special Zim. He was the Zimmerman of special teams.
He was called Special Zim, watch my set, watch my set, Special Zim.
I like it.
I respect that.
That's what you reminded me right there of, Special Zim.
Well, I'll tell you what, Special Zim and I really got some things going on.
Connor, what do you got?
Yeah, Mark, the Broncos are playing the Patriots on Sunday.
How do you feel about their chances?
And is Benny Rippon going to make it through the whole game?
Because a lot of people are calling for the Blake Bortles to get some burn here
oh do you guys in New England you guys like Blake Bortles do you oh yeah um yeah all right uh
as a person yeah I mean have a little respect the person is awesome what he's a great player too I
like Bortles as a QB. AFC Championship game.
Had to lead it to half against the New England Patriots in Foxborough.
Yeah.
I think he had like a 10-point lead in the fourth quarter or something, didn't he?
He did.
He did.
Yeah.
So, no, you know, I think people in Denver are hoping that Drew Locke is back and ready to roll.
Smart.
So, we'll see if he's going to be ready.
But, hey, Rip showed that he can play from the pocket.
He made some mistakes in that Jets game, no question about it.
But he's a smart kid.
You know, as long as he's on time, he's accurate.
He's a good player.
Like, there's a lot of things going on with the Broncos that I have a lot of
question marks about.
If New England gets both Cam Newton back and New England gets Stephon Gilmore back,
I don't have a lot of faith that Denver can go to New England and compete.
But that's why they play those games. I don't think you guys should be worrying about who's quarterback.
I don't think you guys should be worrying about Blake Bortles.
I don't think you should be worrying about any of that in Denver right now.
I think what you should be worrying about is your running back is out and about at 1.30 in the morning
getting a DUI whenever we're in a COVID bubble season.
He was running to the store?
Did we hear?
What happened?
I assume he was saving somebody who was potentially dying?
I just heard this news before I came on with you guys.
Don't you have practice today?
Don't you have a –
He was saving a baby, I heard.
Wow.
What a guy.
He had to drive and save a baby.
By the way, he's 27 years old, I believe, 27 years old,
Wednesday night starting running back for a team in a year where it has been
paramount that you can't go out or you shouldn't be out and about.
There has to be a story behind this, but this looks terrible.
And it's not like this is coming from somebody who got arrested
being out on a Tuesday night.
No, great, it was a bye week, and I'm not starting running back,
and you were allowed to be out and about back then.
This looks very bad for the Broncos.
And let's just hope, by the way, that I assume he went to jail.
Let's hope he doesn't get – he's going to have to go through
the entire COVID protocol again.
Happy nobody got hurt in the middle of this DUI process.
We're in the middle of a time where there's ride sharing and lifting and Ubering where you don't have to do this.
But this is wild.
What the hell is going on in Denver, Schlereth?
Right.
By the way, he's one of the guys that complained about, you know, their game got pushed back.
So they lost their bye week.
One of the guys that complained on social media about losing their bye week,
I heard it explained or I heard it expressed that,
man, it's like going to school all week and doing your assignments
and then being told Friday that that was your spring break.
I don't care.
Grow up.
I don't care.
Grow up.
It's a bad look.
You know how difficult this time is for so many people across this country?
How many people have lost loved ones?
How many people have lost employment?
How many people have filed for unemployment?
How many people have lost businesses and homes and everything else?
And you guys are worried about spring break.
Where were you going to go anyhow?
Apparently, you're going to go wherever you were at 1.30 to get some drink on.
It makes zero sense to me.
It's a horrible look. Vic Fangio came out
and essentially blasted
we're going to find out who the whiners and bitches
are, or bitchers are,
is what Vic Fangio said.
You know what? I think you found out. Some guys on your
team, from that
standpoint, are
questionable at best.
Wow. You were preaching there, Mark hey that's a real thing perspective is a big deal in this world especially whenever small things
in the grand scheme of things are being acted as if they're big things Mark we can't thank you
enough ladies and gentlemen three-time Super Bowl champ good human analyst for Fox Sports
Mark Schleyer thank you you, Mark. Yeah, we appreciate it. You're awesome, Stink.
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Joining us now is a man who's a national champion
and a Super Bowl champion, ladies and gentlemen,
Mr. A.J. Hawk.
How are you doing, brother? How's life?
I'm doing well.
I'm sure you've been backtracking on all your Josh Allen talk today.
Whoa.
What the hell?
I refuse to buy into the fact that just because Josh Allen had one bad Tuesday night,
which, by the way, has only happened two times in like 70 years,
and they got just beat down by a team that hasn't practiced in two weeks.
I refuse to let that skew my image of how great Josh Allen has played
these first few weeks of the season.
And I think he'll get back on that horse against Kansas City Chiefs.
And in warm-ups, I think there's a chance that they have a throw-off
in Josh Allen.
Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.
And Josh Allen gets his swag back because he can throw the ball.
Guess what?
Patrick Mahomes said 83.
84 yards.
That's what I think. What are you saying? You're off on Josh Allen now his swag back because he can throw the ball. Guess what? Pat Mahomes said 83. 84 yards. That's what I think.
What are you saying?
You're off on Josh Allen now all of a sudden?
What an asshole you are.
No, I'm definitely not off of Josh Allen.
I'm upset at myself.
I didn't see this coming.
The Tennessee Titans are one of the freshest teams in all of the NFL right now,
and we thought that was a negative and not a positive heading into this game.
I think a lot of people did.
A lot of players around the league are questioning whether or not these 10-hour, 11-hour, 12-hour days
that are just the common, the norm in NFL facilities.
A lot of people who are both coaching and playing in the NFL after watching what the Titans did
without two weeks of preparation time in the facility, a lot of are saying is this entire system schedule completely fucking wrong a lot of people are
asking that question now and I think we can add you and me to that list because the fastest freshest
team that seemed to be able to go through so many film operations with the zoom and somehow maintain
their shape and their conditioning and their fitness throughout this whole thing.
They came out and dominated the Bills, who look like the team,
if you were to say to somebody who knew nothing about football and nothing about the situation we're in,
and they were to watch last night's game and say,
one of these teams wasn't able to practice for two weeks,
one of these teams was, which one would it?
Everybody would have said the Buffalo Bills are a team
that didn't practice for two weeks.
Balls getting tipped, interceptions, this, that.
It just looked like the Titans never skipped a step.
And that dude with that stiff arm is going to be a problem, I think, for a while
because they know exactly what to do, when to do it, how to do it.
It's run the damn rock all the time.
Yeah, it's run the rock.
And also Tannehill plays like the perfect role in what he does.
He doesn't make mistakes.
He throws touchdowns.
He doesn't throw interceptions. They don't turn the ball over i mean buffalo turned the ball
three what they turned over three times tennessee zero that's all you need to know well tannahill
also and we alluded to this earlier and on twitter he almost broke his leg in half during that finger
roll celebration i noticed right away i got scared for him oh yeah as soon as i saw it i was like oh
that was uncomfortable that was awkward awkward. That looked painful.
And then as I was watching him jog off, they zoomed in on his face, you know, and he was smiling and giggling.
I'm like, oh, he's not even feeling that right now.
I wonder if he feels that today.
That was definitely uncomfortable.
But that team last night, just dominant.
And I don't think anybody could have expected it other than maybe me and Connor.
Yeah.
I think maybe me and Connor.
Only me and you had them.
And then everybody turned me, at least, to bet on the Bills.
Yikes.
I think a big problem with everybody is they're going to overreact to that.
I think the Bills are still a good team.
They just had a terrible night, and sometimes that happens,
especially if it's Tuesday night.
Jay Feeley's on the call.
Here we go.
Yeah, hey, here we go.
You're right.
Jay Feeley, that was interesting.
Was he originally on the call when it wasn't Tuesday?
Is that why they did this?
I'm not 100% sure.
You know, Jay Feeley representing for the brand, he has for a long time.
I think a lot of things he has said I don't necessarily agree with or love.
But I didn't think he did that terrible, by the way.
I think a lot of people on the Internet were potentially questioning
how he was going to do as being kicker in there.
And me, as a person who has punted balls for a living, I could say this.
Jay Feeley, I don't know how he operated in his day-to-days at the NFL.
I know how me and Vinatieri operated.
I was front row seat to a lot of football.
Like practice, meetings, offense, defense.
I feel like I actually, now granted, whenever Mike Lombardi speaks, I feel like I learn things.
When Aaron starts talking about body catchers and things like there are certain things that people at
different positions have experience and know a lot more about but I think having a front row seat to
an NFL operation day in and day out literally in what that's what a kicker and punter is you can
pick up a lot of knowledge of obviously the game and the way things run so kickers and punters don't
always get a chance to be in the booth there whenever it was Jay Feeley only guy in the booth i was both excited and a little bit worried that he's going
to potentially fucking ruin it for all of us i don't think he did that bad but it was very
interesting that charles davis who is the cbs's new number two did not get that gig as a friend
of the show i wonder if there's any conversations inside cbs like did nobody want to do it or was
it like let's give jay feely a shot here i'm sure they all wanted to do it it's a cbs
primetime game which they don't have like you don't ever have a game like that do you tony
gets the number one cbs games which could be well no that dirt's what four o'clock yeah how come
how come tony and jim didn't do it and they had the past cheese game that was early last monday
they should have done both maybe jim didn't want to do both oh you think jim hey i can't get any
swings in on this fucking hole in my backyard you let me go down on want to do both oh you think jim is like hey i can't get any swings in on this
fucking hole in my backyard you let me go out on tuesdays don't you think they could have said
romo and nance both yeah we'll definitely do it you gotta you gotta pay us for the extra game
they are they i mean they're tony's about getting 18 million dollars a year he's getting paid to do
that yeah he's gonna want an extra an extra mil though to do that game give it to him then
really i mean you're saying yeah if you're paying him
that much already then yeah just sneeze out another million and let's get a good game here
some people would say the complete opposite hey we're already paying you that much you should go
do this but i don't we don't know how the back the inner workings of cbs operate this wasn't even
rumored pat this wasn't even rumored i'm just saying he could they could swing their power
like that if they wanted i just i don't know what if
tony and jim are like tuesday fuck you we don't do that i drink on tuesdays we don't do tuesdays
dude cbs is like well we did pay you like the most ever in the history of anybody doing anything
basically revolving around tv i don't care you think tuesday night dude that's no way that's pta
night we got a pta zoom call with our kids teacher teacher, and I cannot miss that. It's like Big Brother on. I wonder what.
You can't miss Big Brother.
Let's go to Cody in Indiana.
Cody, what's going on?
All right.
Yeah, am I coming in?
Oh, yeah, you sound great, actually, Cody.
Cody, bring it.
Hell, yeah, hell, yeah.
So, we saw on Sunday, or at least I saw, Frank Reich was talking about,
and this is post-game comments, said that Phillip Rivers had a great game.
So, I got a question for you
and AJ.
Because we all know that he did not have a
fucking great game. We all know that.
When it comes to coach speak,
you got guys like Frank Reich
who are there, who go to bat for their teammates
whenever, wherever. You got guys
like Bruce Arians down there that'll just come out
and say, we fucking suck. What what is from a player's perspective which one do you guys prefer
great question cody and i think i'll answer for aj and i but obviously aj can disagree completely
as long as the coach is always themself i'm cool with it if they are an always upbeat positive
let's find the silver lining in every situation guy and that's genuinely who they are i'm cool with it if it's somebody who's like sometimes moody sometimes a
player's coach sometimes emotional some i have a problem with inconsistency mostly whenever it
comes to coaching if somebody's consistent i'm cool with it because then at least everybody knows
what they're getting aj how do you feel on that i think you're 100 right and when i think back of
some of the the bad coaches that I have been around,
I've been very lucky I haven't been around a bunch of bad coaches,
but the bad ones are very inconsistent in their habits
and how they carry themselves, what they do.
You never know each day what you're getting.
Like, okay, here we go, guys.
I don't know.
This dude may be super happy.
He may hate us and not talk to us for the next three weeks.
Those kind of coaches are the worst.
But, yeah, at least if they're honest.
I don't think anyone wants to play for a coach.
They're not happy their coach trashes them to the media.
But if at least he tells the media exactly what he told you to your face,
then you're like, okay, I don't love it, but I respect it.
What do you think is going on with Michael Thomas and Sean Payton down there?
I don't know.
Does Sean Payton really love the kid that Michael Thomas punched, the player?
No.
So Sean Payton, Monday night in the countdown,
he did an interview from the Superdome, from the field,
with the Monday night countdown on ESPN.
He had, I think, affliction jeans on, by the way.
Oh, no.
There are some designer jeans.
There are some pretty cool jeans.
And he had a T-shirt on, and he had his hair cut short.
It was a different Sean.
He was doing the interview in great Jays. He has a J deal or whatever. So he looked very cool. It was cool Sean Payton. It was a different Sean, you know, and he was doing an interview in Jay's,
like great Jay's, he has a Jay deal or whatever.
So he looked very cool.
It was cool Sean Payton.
It was very cool Sean Payton.
And the first question,
I don't know what he thought he was going to get asked.
I have no idea.
But the first question I saw was,
what happened with Michael Thomas?
And he was picking his words.
You could tell that he was choosing his words.
It wasn't like a smooth answer.
It was like he was trying to figure out
what he was going to say.
And he talked about the encounter with CGJj i think it was presented in the question or
whatever and then he said he also disrespected coaches and that's why we discipline him or
whatever so i think if you listen to stories and rumors that are coming out and if you read mike
thomas's tweets about the whole thing subtly you're subtweeting about the whole thing it seems
like there's a potential at odds between coaches and mike thomas and we don't know if that's just sean payton or
if it's a wide receiver coach or if it's anybody else or if this is all just a bunch of bullshit
but him getting suspended for a game while he's healthy and saying it's because your number one
receiver the guy who broke an nfo record last year got into an altercation with a DB like that
happens in practice like that that is what happens so for them to suspend him you have to think a
little bit deeper so maybe him and Sean Payton got into it maybe he told Sean Payton he was sick of
his bullshit and then maybe Sean Payton said we owe this guy 12 and a half million dollars next
year we owe him 15 and a half million dollars the year after that if we suspend him for what he just
did which is a suspendable offense
we are not on the hook for those guarantees and we can't help but run with those potential
assumptions because we don't really know anything that's happened but it feels like a lot is set up
for a potential awkward encounter between michael thomas and sean payton going forward well that
precedent was set in the earl thomas situation right they didn't they didn't know him because
he had been suspended is that rightuct detrimental or violating team rules,
whichever one, whichever clause or asterisk they want.
The clause is the clause.
Feels like whatever one they want to get him for, they got him.
Yeah, not only does it set it up in the future
if you want to move on from Michael Thomas,
so you can void some of those guarantees.
So, hey, your owner, your GM is going to like you a lot more
if it gets to that point.
But I think what he's also, the main reason he would do it is to kind of set the tone to be like hey
man this is our stud this guy is possibly the best receiver in the nfl last year he probably was
and i'm gonna suspend him because of what he did what he has done i have no idea what he did on top
of punching the guy and when he's when you say disrespect the coaches yeah what could he have
done just just gone crazy on them in front of the team?
Hey, fuck you.
Probably flicked them off.
It has to be bad.
To suspend your best player, Pat, when you're a team that's kind of up in the air,
you don't know who you are yet, that's a big deal.
What if he took two Gatorade bottles in Sean Payton's face and went stone cold?
And then he goes like this, and then he walks right off the practice field.
What if he stone cold Steve Austin, Sean Payton right in his face?
I would, A, love that, and B, see how Sean Payton could potentially
take that as offensive and want to suspend him
and potentially void out any guarantees in the contract.
I don't know if he stone cold Steve Austin'd him,
but I would like to see that get fought over in an appeals court
on who owes who money when they have to demonstrate what Michael Thomas did.
But right now, we know nothing about what could have potentially happened.
We have no idea.
But I've heard Sean Payton can be like a hard-ass coach.
I think everybody thinks he's cool because he wears Jordans and things like that.
He is.
He is a hard-ass coach.
Talk to anybody that plays for him.
Their camps, they kill each other in camp.
Their conditioning test is brutal.
He works them hard during
the year, but he is this cool, fun
guy off the field.
Hey, I'm a fun guy.
Michael Thomas, I'm sick of your fucking shit.
That'd be wild.
That is a situation we'll keep an eye on
for you right here at the Pat McAfee Show.
We're very nice that we're doing that. What's going on?
Will players be happy? The Pro Bowl
this year will not happen.
But 2022, it's going on? So will players be happy? The Pro Bowl this year will not happen. No.
But 2022, it's going to be in Las Vegas.
Oh.
Problematic.
I don't think they should have the game.
I think it should be a skills competition.
I've been on record saying this for a long time.
I think the game is stupid.
You're going to get nobody's best effort because nobody wants to get hurt.
The only people that are trying their hardest are the people that think they can win a truck
and winning the MVP, defensive ends, quarterbacks.
That's basically all you got.
Everybody else is just trying to survive and say that we're here.
Once they took it away from Hawaii, kind of lost its buzz, to be 100% candid.
I grew up watching the 40-yard dash contest and all this good time at Hawaii,
and they're wearing their leis, and they're having the time of their life,
and they're in Hawaii, and they have an entire hotel.
They tell these glorious stories.
And then I make the Pro Bowl and it's in fucking Arizona
and it's cold and we just lost by 50 to the Patriots
and we got to drive an hour and a half into the desert to practice.
And the hotel isn't just run by the NFL, by the way.
There's also two other conventions going on.
So it's literally, and we would like you to go build a sidewalk
in the middle of the desert on Tuesday because Community Tuesday,
you get to be here.
It's like, okay, all right.
So this is – by the way, I like giving back to the community.
Of course.
I absolutely love it.
But this is nothing like what I thought.
And then whenever you start watching the product of the Pro Bowl,
you've got to get to a point where you're like,
can we not have a quarterback skills challenge?
Can we not have these guys bench against each other?
Not 225, but have them max out.
Have a squat and have money.
Have prizes up for grabs here.
And let's just document it like it's a celebration as opposed to just a game you make a pro bowl it's a hell of an honor i mean it
is a hell of an honor i will always be called a pro bowler all pro you get it but the actual game
itself big buzzkill and the fans big buzzkill but it still does numbers because there's a lot of big
motherfucking names and if you got a bunch of big names there why don't we make them do something
that's actually interesting and make some content well of it? Well, the game this year will be replaced by a variety of engaging activities.
Oh, fine.
Here we go.
Q&As.
Okay, good.
Dodgeball.
See, that's what I'm talking about.
Dodgeball.
Dodgeball is too cool.
They would never do dodgeball.
That would be fun to watch.
They did it.
They do it.
That's how much you hate the Pro Bowl, by the way.
You don't even know that they've done that for the last couple years they also have like a
quarterback circus that they have which uh they build these big like trick shot things and the
quarterbacks have to throw it in there's like a five pointer four i like i like that me too i'm a
big fan of that i still put the chalk on the end of the ball like they used to and what that's a
quarterback challenge which was awesome peyton used to be in there brett used to be in there
there used to be a lot of names in that thing. It used to be really cool.
I think there's old footage of old Matt Hasselbeck running around doing it.
That's really awesome.
For the quarterback circus, the last time I got voted in the Pro Bowl was my last year.
I had a dislocated kneecap.
And any time I punted, I couldn't walk the day, right?
But I did it for, you know, no big deal, nine weeks of the season.
Made a Pro Bowl with a dislocated kneecap.
No big deal.
Couldn't walk whenever I had to practice.
Nobody talks about that because my brain is intact
and I don't have to hit anybody, but let's not talk about it.
In my contract, I got a $250,000 bonus if I got to the Pro Bowl, right?
Go to the Pro Bowl.
So I was pumped up about that.
There was a clause in said contract that said if I don't play in the Pro Bowl,
I don't make the 250 000
so now i had to figure out whether or not i wanted to stay in shape and punt balls for two weeks with
this dislocated kneecap knowing that i'm going to retire and move on and have to kick for the next
couple days because i don't want to just go out and shank balls and look terrible or do i go uh
and say fuck it i'm not doing a pro bowl so i said am i allowed to do the quarterback circus thing
am i allowed to be do the quarterback circus thing?
Am I allowed to be in the quarterback circus thing?
If they would have said yes to that, I would have went down there and did it.
They said no.
I said, fuck it, I'm out.
I'm not doing it.
So I didn't do it.
And Jim Irsay still sent me a check the day after the Pro Bowl with a letter thanking me.
So I was like, hey, thank you, Jim.
And just to be completely candid, if they would have just let me go
and slice and dice that fucking quarterback circus,
this wouldn't have even been called into question. but i appreciate you being the nice guy that you are
how do you think you do in one of those quarterback competitions when you're going up against the best
quarterbacks on the planet i'd win shred them i would win aaron rogers isn't out there right
no aaron doesn't do it tom's not out there is he no i mean there's a lot of guys out there that
don't care it looks like they're going in there just don't. Lamar Jackson had a poor performance,
but literally one, 10 seconds before he's out there,
he has a hoodie on because it's cold as hell in Orlando,
and he's sitting there like this.
He doesn't even know that he's up, and they're like, you're up.
He's like, oh, I'm up?
Okay, here we go.
And he didn't have a good performance.
Lamar Jackson could give a single damn about that thing.
I would have a two-hour warm-up.
I would have Tom Brady's guy working on my arm before the thing.
I would go into that thing fully focused and doubt in in all the ranges of everything are right in my my flick of the wrist i think it's like a 40 yard ball or whatever into the thing like for me that
is literally max throw like dude perfect they just lined up however they're max for me that is here
we go from a standstill i think i would do very well in that because the lack of effort that everybody else gives that is in said event.
There is one quarterback that always gives effort there.
Who's that?
Mr. Unlimited.
Andrew Brees, dude.
Andrew Brees is captain Pro Bowl.
Is there any thought to partner with Joe Thomas and Titan Games and throw these guys on Mount Olympus?
What about going guts and they end with the aggro, Craig?
I'll tell you what.
There is nothing worse than potentially being a Titan
in that Titan game. Could you imagine that, AJ?
No way. The worst
would be at the end when Joe was trying to break
the thing and there was a chain on the sledgehammer
and he couldn't get a good range of motion.
That would make me so mad.
And they're setting it up like, this average
guy is taking on this Titan
and it's like, this average guy has been
in his CrossFit box 10 hours a
day for the last four years training for this average firefighter who can do 2 000 floors on
a stair master and has been is taking on this all pro and it's like wait a fuck wait can we get rid
of the average ass guy okay that guy has given a lot more effort in the mount olympus than i have at this point you're set up for failure there and the rock's just like here we go
here we go good luck hey don't you think that game what it should be they should have like
joe thomas is there he's he's standing there ready to roll joe gets to go in the crowd and
pick his competitor that would be cool oh that'd be awesome like a 10 year old kid all right
i would like that american gladiators needs to come back by the way Oh, that'd be awesome. Like a 10-year-old kid. All right. You signed up for it.
I would like that.
American Gladiators needs to come back, by the way.
Yes.
I was with Hulk Hogan back in the day.
Well, I want to let you know, not just Hulk Hogan tried to bring that back. I am currently working the phones to try to get that thing back.
I do believe it is attainable.
I've been going for it.
I'd like it to be an adult version, too, where I can say, he just got fucked up.
I would like to be able to do that. i really american gladiator shaped my childhood you know i think the fact
that they're bringing back all these other terrible shows we should bring back at least
a good one let's try all the weakest link great show i love that as well great show it's doing
good out there what was regis regis had a show that was big for a little wants to be a millionaire
dude no it was a garbage time or whatever no No, the... Yeah, you're right.
When FS1 launched, what was that sports
show they had for like six months? Yeah, it was like
The Talk or whatever.
They had nine hosts. No idea. I do remember
that. They had nine hosts. Regis was at the end
or whatever. It was what they launched
Fox Sports with, basically. Regis
had just won a Guinness World Record
for most amount of logged hours on television
or something like that.
It was a big deal.
I was very intrigued.
Triniate thoughts?
Crowd goes wild?
Crowd goes wild.
I think that's what it was.
CG dubbed it.
Really?
No, I don't know if that's it.
Crowd goes wild.
I don't know.
Is that Regis?
Do you have a Regis?
A little bit.
I'd have to listen to some more of his
Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
I used to do it a lot, and then he died,
and I was like, I can't really remember.
He left Kelly.
Oh, yeah.
To go do this sports show.
See you later.
AJ,
what were your thoughts on
Le'Veon Bell getting cut
in the middle of the game last night? What were your
thoughts on him
potentially liking a couple tweets that said
Adam Gase was a stooge, which by the way, noted
he is, and then he's out
the door, six million dollars
offsetting guarantees whatever another team pays him the jets have to make up for the rest of the
amount until six million what are your thoughts on the entire lev bell situation mr hawk well i mean
i guess i give the jets credit for realizing like what they have like okay we can hang on
and even though the gm it wasn't the g who brought Le'Veon Bell in with all the money.
But a lot of times
I think teams will be too stuck
on a contract or someone that they pay. They don't want to say,
hey, we were wrong here. I think it's good. They're moving
on. It's a win-win. Le'Veon Bell's going to go
most likely to a contender. He's definitely
going to a better football team than he's on
right now.
Yeah, unless he goes to the Giants.
The Giants, by the way,
Saquon, they're out you know
what i mean oh you thought the jets thunk come on what's the cro line he potentially ends up at
the patriots or the buccaneers and everybody i mean he ends up at one of those places and
everybody goes okay and he's going to figure out how to be the same guy he was three years ago
again and it's just going to be the jets fans are going to be like, we gave $28 million to a guy for 18 games.
Adam Gase blows his entire career.
And here we are watching him succeed somewhere else.
In the exact same week, we decided to cut him because he liked a couple of tweets.
I mean, it just gets worse and worse for Jets fans, especially if he goes out and balls, which I think is potentially going to happen at this point.
He's the prime example of what when
you say like a guy needs a change of scenery like a change of scenery all of a sudden levion bell is
going to be what he was four years ago and by the way this might be a freezing cold take he might
absolutely suck the next place he goes maybe we are not 100 sure but he might stink and zito you're
sticking up for him because you think there's a chance he ends up at the bears oh yeah on bell
is actually a big part of uh zito's poll today you know what is a big big
poll uh where will love you on bell land uh right now bears are at 30.5 percent patriots are at 40.1
percent buccaneers 12.7 going back to the stellars 16.7 how many votes uh well over 20,000
that's a massive poll right aj if you would like to potentially take part and be a part
of zito's poll which is a big big big poll at viva la zito on twitter we need to hear your voice
so everybody's thinking it's going to be the patriots and the thought of bill belichick
pulling it off again and yet again and yet again when no other team will pull the trigger will just
be something that would make a lot of sense and you could definitely see it happening
well why it makes complete sense leave the jets on the hook
for the majority of his contract pay him what 900 right now is that what his minimum would be i think
850 yeah 850 800 000 here we go we'll take you on for the rest of this year and then we will see
what happens at the end of the year and we got a lot of money next year our salary cap is biggest
in the nfl actually and uh we're gonna have to figure out cam we're gonna have to figure out you but
let's hope it's success because if you win there's enough to go around if not here it's everywhere
else and bill belichick with levy on bell and cam newton in the same backfield a lot of people
say what is this 2016 so you know what it is is 2020 and god damn it i think you got some people
that are going to try to make a lot more money in their careers,
and that's playing good football with Bill Belichick.
It feels like that's inevitable, and I'm over 20,000 votes,
and you've got 40% of the votes going there.
I mean, that is quite a scene there.
Do you think he'll come down from the money aspect of it all
when he is set to renegotiate, whenever that may be,
because he did just get $28 million in 18 games.
If he stinks, right?
If he comes out and he stinks,
I think he knows that he doesn't have a lot of leverage.
But if he comes out and plays well,
I mean, somebody's going to have to pay.
17 M's again.
17 M's a year is what he wanted originally.
I would assume if he gets anywhere near 14, 13, 15,
at this point, he'd be pumped up about that,
especially with the salary cap next year
kind of being in jeopardy.
I mean, Patriots have the most salary cap availability right now,
I think, next year.
But nobody knows what's going to happen to that salary cap.
So we'll be able to see how it all goes.
Joining us now is a man who predicted Josh Allen to win the MVP
over Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson.
He works at ESPN, one of the hosts of NFL Live.
Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orslovsky.
Yeah!
Dano!
Woo!
Oh, no. No, no. Orslovskyane Orslavsky. Yeah, Dane! Woo! Oh, no.
No, no.
Orslavsky.
Very convenient.
You said my name wrong on purpose.
No!
No, I didn't.
First of all, they don't hand out the MVP after five games, okay?
You were trying to.
Hey, that's the problem, Dane.
You were trying to hand out the MVP to Josh Allen just a couple weeks ago.
And by the way, with everything that you said,
it made me look at Josh Allen differently.
I actually was like, okay, maybe you're right.
Here we go.
And then last night, Tuesday, do we consider it an anomaly for the season?
Or do you just think they played bad?
Or what happened?
Yeah, I answer the questions I get asked.
They played bad.
You know, like they just played poorly.
You can't, you know, one game does not overshadow the first four games or
actually what he did for the last 15 games or 12 games so he played bad he played impatient
the titans went full bill belichick mode on him and forced him to play kind of small ball
and he was unwilling to do that and that's what hurt their football team so
i think it'll be a huge game for him to learn from. He's not my MVP anymore.
Oh.
He's still my top three.
He's still my top three.
That's unchanged.
I can't keep him at one.
Look out the window, pal.
Bill's Mafia is about to fucking rain down on you for that.
What do you got, AJ?
Dan, how many games, though, does he have to play like this
until you do get worried?
I mean, he would have to go like
two or three games in a row where i go all right this you know like half the season you've been
great and then half the season you've been you know poor so i have zero zero concern with last
night i just think it's a huge learning process it's that first time that he played on national
television in a big game like that that was gonna like as a
defensive corner that was gonna go i'm not gonna allow you to play the style that you want to play
i'm gonna make you play a different way and force you to adjust and he didn't adjust so i'll be
interested to see if teams try to do that more i don't think they will but i'm not i'm not concerned
at all right now okay let's talk about levon Bell because we were just talking about that before we talked to you there.
What do you think his future is?
I know you and I both know, and AJ, massive fan as well,
but Mike Greenberg, obviously diehard Jets fan.
And if you're a Jets fan, you're seeing just a couple of your best players,
I don't want to say like tweets or potentially speak out about your head coach,
and I think you hate at this point.
Now you get rid of Le'Veon Bell.
There's a good chance he's going to sign somewhere for vet men the jets are going to have to pay him six million
dollars or five million dollars and he's going to have a great year do you agree with that or you
think he's kind of washed and uh washed up at this point no i he can still play you know i'll touch
on this with the jets listen the jets are going to their number one goal is to go 1 and 15 that's
the only goal they have right now go 1 and 15 and get the number one pick is to go 1-15. That's the only goal they have right now. Go 1-15 and get the number one pick.
I'm just telling you, I have Clemson on Saturday for my college football game,
and I talked with Trevor Lawrence for like 20 minutes today at 1230.
That dude's an absolute bona fide superstar.
Like he's going – if I'm the Jets, I'm begging to get the number one pick.
So I agree with the decision to move on from Le'Veon.
They're going to get a new coach, all that stuff.
Now with Le'Veon, I don't think any team that, one, is a non-contender,
or two, doesn't have a good locker room culture should go after Le'Veon Bell.
If you're a team that's got a good locker room culture and you're a contender,
go get Le'Veon Bell and don't use him as a running back.
You don't have to.
Like, it's the NFL in 2020
you should just go get him and use him as a piece 12 to 15 touches a game maybe some of it is in the
run game a bunch of it should be in the screen game a bunch of it should be lined up in the slot
or some stuff like that and so Cleveland high on my list Pittsburgh high on my list Tampa Bay
Buccaneers I've said this for weeks now, dude.
They need a pass-catching running back.
Don't tell me it's Leonard Fournette.
Don't tell me it's Ronald Jones.
I think Philadelphia could be in the conversation, Chicago for sure.
But if I'm the Bucs, I'm going, I need Le'Veon.
Why was Adam Gase unwilling to do all that? I know Le'Veon was banged up a bit this year,
but why didn't he do that with him?
I don't think he can.
You know, I don't think he knows how to.
I've always said this, like, dude, I'm a 6'5", 200-pound,
really, really unathletic white dude.
I cannot dance.
No matter how much I go on YouTube and type in learn how to dance and watch those videos i'm not going to be able to dance so adam gaze no matter how much he watches fun offense
this in the nfl he doesn't know how to call them he doesn't know how to use those pieces
so um it's it's just mainly like he doesn't he's only learned one offense that was payton's that
was the only one the only offense he's learned so he doesn't know how to adapt. I will say
you are incredibly unathletic.
I mean, it is.
At this point. Yeah, true story.
Could not bench 45-pound
plates going into college. True
story. Could you now, though?
Uh,
145 on each side, for sure.
Yeah!
Get up, Dane.
That guy's moving the weight.
All right, last thing before we let you go,
and we thank you for joining us, Dane.
You are such a good football brain.
Michael Thomas and Sean Payton.
Oh, your little tweet last night's got you really feeling good, doesn't it?
I mean, that thing.
What a tweet.
What a tweet.
I don't get many good ones.
I send a lot of bad ones.
So, like, when I send a good one, I'm going to relish it.
I mean, it was a couple thousand retweets, I think, at this point.
That's got to feel very, very, very good.
I remember having a conversation with a guy about a year ago who's got a big, big, really good brain when it comes to the Internet.
And he said to me, likes and views didn't matter.
Retweets did.
And I was pretty proud about the last 12 hours.
Well, you didn't listen because views definitely matter.
But the retweets are the only thing that matter.
Likes don't mean a damn thing.
Retweets.
And let me tell you, I'll give the quick breakdown here.
If you view your Twitter as a television network or as a program,
and then you would quickly understand that retweets are a commercial for your program on somebody else's program they're the only thing that matter likes is like yeah we saw that you did
something and you tried your best there boom retweets are the only thing that really matter
and last night you should see his arm yeah i got a lot of retweets i'm proud of you i was very proud
of you with that it actually made me it got a good pop out of me i actually laughed and then
the internet obviously did what the internet did um But this Sean Payton-Michael Thomas thing,
are you guys going to talk about this on NFL Live?
And what do you guys know that we don't?
Because it sounds like there's potential beef between Michael Thomas and the coaches,
and now there's subtweets happening.
Is this all just like pro football talk Mike Florio said
so that the Saints can get out of future guarantees that they owe Michael Thomas?
What do you think this is all about?
Yeah, we're not talking about it on NFL Live yet today
unless, you know, Shefty comes in in the next, what, 80 minutes
and brings us something that's got kind of weight to it.
You know, here's my thing.
Like, they're not moving on from Michael Thomas in the next three months.
So, you know, maybe next year because more than likely Drew's not there.
And so they're very much – their salary crap's a disaster.
So I could see it next year.
But they're not going to move on from Michael Thomas over the next three months.
They got through some kind of off-the-field stuff early on in this spring as a football team.
And so I think both those guys are mature enough to realize what's ahead of them and what's in front of them.
And so, I don't know, man.
I think there's a lot more kind of drama to it than actual substance.
Ooh.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Interesting.
AJ, you got anything for Dane or are you going to let him go?
Well, two questions ago you said last thing before you let him go,
so I assumed he was up against something.
He had something going on.
Well, he's got a show he's got doing in 80 minutes.
Well, 79 minutes now at this point.
Yeah.
Yeah, NFL Live.
Dan, how do you feel about Pat repeatedly calling you Dane?
Who does that?
The guy you mentioned with the big brain,
which when you were talking about you talked to somebody
that has a big brain that is one with the Internet,
I legit thought you were talking about Gary Vee.
Oh, yeah.
By the way.
Also works.
Also works. Right hook mode, baby. Leg works. Also works.
Right hook mode, baby.
Legit.
More so than me, obviously.
You know, McAfee is, AJ, McAfee is one of those guys where, like,
if he's not making fun of you, you know what?
He makes fun of everybody.
That point's stupid.
That is very.
No, no, I don't.
You're 100% right, though.
You're 100% right.
Now, granted, the Orslavsky has come to be strictly because of your Josh Allen take
that you forced down our throats and basically told us that Aaron Rodgers stunk at football
at this point is basically what you said.
Literally, week one said it's the best he's played in five weeks,
and he confirmed it, totally said he believed it.
Just couldn't hold a candle to Josh Allen.
Go ahead.
Yeah, Dane, just a moment ago you't hold a candle to Josh Allen. Go ahead.
Yeah, Dane, just a moment ago you said you were talking to Trevor Lawrence.
Very cool.
And he's going to go to the Jets, you say.
So what's going on with Sam Darnold?
Where is he going to be next year if the Jets get Trevor Lawrence?
Yeah, Colton, I think that you're going to have many a team have the opportunity to make a great first half.
Retweet, dude.
Retweet.
You're going to tell me that there's teams in the back half of the first round that are going to go,
the Jets want a first-round pick? Cool.
If I'm picking at 16, 18, 20, I'll absolutely throw my first-round pick to the Jets.
Here's the thing. Whoever gets the one picks taking Trevor Lawrence, lock it in.
That's happening.
If it's the Jets, Sam Darnold will be on the move.
San Francisco will be there.
Indy will be there.
Stillers.
Gosh, who knows what will happen with Dallas?
You just don't know.
I think Dak will be there on a franchise tag, but you never know.
Atlanta could be in the conversation.
Carolina could be in the conversation, although Teddy's playing well.
Like Tampa, there's going to be plenty of teams that will be interested.
Why is Greeny putting Matt Ryan in Indy?
Why is he doing don't, there's no reason for him to do that to us.
He's doing that very loud too.
This is two days in a row now and get up where he's like, if I'm Indianapolis, I'm calling
Atlanta right now for Matt Ryan.
I'm like, Greeny, I love you.
Big brain, great shoes, all that shit.
But I don't, we don't need that in Indianapolis right now.
Do we?
Is Matt Ryan going to play after this year?
You think?
Oh yeah. He'll definitely keep playing. He can still keep playing. I just think Atlanta's such
a disaster, dude. If they have a top five pick, Matt's probably going to be gone. One of those
quarterbacks, the top three will get taken, would be my guess. But Matt can still play.
Dude, I just think when you look at Phillip and Indy, you can't run from it right now, Pat.
Like, dude, I had our research people do some stats.
You're not going to like this right now, but I'm going to tell you anyway.
Since the start of last season, since the start of last season,
Phillip Rivers is third in the NFL in turnovers.
Third.
Behind Daniel Jones and Jameis Winston.
Phillip Rivers, Phillip Rivers since the start of last season,
this is the disturbing one.
He's thrown 16 interceptions in his own territory.
That's second worst behind Jameis Winston.
That's 20-plus games.
Body of work, man.
It is what it is right now.
It is what it is.
All right, get to work.
Can't wait to watch you.
Thanks for that.
Ladies and gentlemen dan or
joining us now host of the business of sports podcast executive vice president of vayner
sports which is an agency ladies and gentlemen andrew bryant
hey pat i haven't been on in a while you've been cheating on me with the other packer guy you got
that rogers guy you know i guess you got all the packers stuff you need well need me andrew the
texting or the message you sent me about how aaron rogers is the best and you enjoy the segments or
whatever it feels like with aaron people are, including me, right?
The first time I met him, I was like, man, I know nothing about this guy.
And I got along with him.
I liked him a lot.
And I'm like, this guy's been in the NFL for over a decade.
Nobody knows anything about him.
These conversations, people getting a chance to, like,
see the human he is, aside from being the most talented quarterback,
probably, not probably, the most talented quarterback
to ever play the game.
It has been a lot of fun to chat with him. you saw him what day one you had to work some business
with him yeah i mean i i'm biased i mean he's the best and i said that to you because i think
you know when i listen to athletes nothing against athletes in general but not a lot of them express
a lot of thoughtfulness introspection insight into how people are feeling and when i talked to aaron when
i saw him at camp a couple years ago he said listen andrew i get it i understand that i'm a
voice not only for this team for the state for the region packard nation and i want to be thoughtful
but i understand my role he's so candid he's so honest and as you guys are seeing every week he
really seems in a good place not only on the field but off the field this year.
It's great to see, as someone who's known him, again,
from the first day he came in, I saw that right sense of humor.
I saw that California cool he's got.
You know, we put him in a room with Southern Mississippi Brett Favre.
That was a little bit of oil and water right away,
but those guys started getting along
was nice to see yeah they're good friends now which has been awesome to kind of watch them
interact because of all the stories you've heard but listening to him talk and then people talk
about him now that maybe they shared stories or stories earlier but they were never talking
about because everything that gets talked about there and for whatever reason I think because
of how damn talented he is every story is like a tmz type story and then that infiltrates into everything else and he all he never answered any of those
stories like he he told us what kill him with him with indifference kill him with indifference so
all these stories would come out that probably weren't true or at least there was a little bit
of truth but mostly fabricated and he wouldn't even just address me he's like i'm not even gonna
give it attention i'm just gonna kill it with indifference and i'm sitting here as somebody that's never met him and i've been on
team and i wanted to tell him like yeah but you should answer some of them like you should like
some of these you should say like no that's not true or whatever but he's been able to handle this
and he seems like he's only getting better at football somehow and it's been a treat to listen
to him talk i've i feel very lucky that we get a chance to do it and i don't talk to him much
outside of just the recorded conversation we have every week it's been really cool to learn
about like this dude who's at the top of the world of what he does and how he is and how he
because it's much different than what a lot of other people are who are in the exact same position
yeah and you got aj there too and listen we picked aj number one in 2005 and we picked Aaron number one in 2006 and it or maybe it was
vice versa but having AJ there it just brings out a comfort level with him and listen Pat when this
dude came in you know we drafted him I called him a poor guy was waiting there forever after five
hours the caterers moved all the tables he was alone in that green room
and why you know when i called him that draft day uh my instructions from ted thompson were
get him on the phone and don't say anything so the poor kid had waited six hours and i call and i say
because i want to talk to mike his agent i call let's he says, no, it's Aaron. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, can I talk to Mike? And he puts Mike on and Mike's like, are you taking him? Are
you taking him? Are you taking him? And I just like, hold on, just hold on. Because we wanted
to see if the phone would ring, if we'd get offers, you know, we get two number twos, we get
a one and a two. And that phone never rang. And I think about when I watch his greatness, I think about,
man, you know, how the NFL and the Packers and the whole world could look so much different if
that phone rang. And we got an offer we couldn't refuse. But nobody called. Nobody called. And we
took them, you know, and we had a Lambe lambo field party a thousand people under our draft room
we had everyone booing you know brett's agent calls me brett calls the coach no one's happy
you know i'm sure aaron's not happy going to a place it's cold and he's never going to play
but oh you know it's nice to look back and see that work out well and brett farve was in the
middle of that iron man run too where he hadn't missed a single play for 45 years or something like that
it's like oh great can't wait to just go to a place that seems like the backup gets a lot of
action but he talked about it how for years he sat there right and then one particular night
against dallas cowboys he jogs on the field and scott stapp and creed just fucking rocked it
halftime he said that was the night to change everything,
where he went from potential draft bust and guy never really got a shot
to, hey, this dude's going to be really good.
And here we are, what, 13 years later, and it's just –
it's the Aaron Rodgers show right now.
But let's start –
You know, Pat, the last thing before we get to other topics.
We had the first minicamp practice, first days on the field,
coming out of Cal.
And, you know, first days on the field, coming out of Cal, and Ted Thompson,
our GM, never showed an inch of emotion the whole time I was with him. But Aaron takes the ball, rolls right on movement, throws it 65 yards downfield in stride to Donald Driver, first
practice, and Ted and I locked eyes. I never saw emotion from Ted Thompson. He looked at me with that look like, all right, we got him.
We are set for the future.
We got the guy.
And that's no better feeling in pro sports from a management point of view
is when you know you got the guy, number one,
and the guy is not only your best player but one of if not your best person and
that's why the Packers are gold why the Texans are gold with Deshaun Watson you know when you
got the guy who's your best player and your best person your goal all right let's throw up his
point of view that's the best feeling you can have and you were vice president of finance I
believe for the back what was your exact title for the Packers I was vice president period of
the Packers I handled all the player contracts and dealt with aaron's agent
doing that contract where you know everyone's asking you know the whole negotiation how do we
do a negotiation for a guy we never know when it's going to play and that was a hard negotiation
okay so let's talk about the texans you just talked about with deshaun watson they fire the
guy who i think was also vice president of the texans lead counsel of the texans you just talked about with deshaun watson they fire the guy who i think was also vice
president of the texans lead counsel of the texans general manager of the texans head coach of the
texans player caller for the texans after a player revolt that is alleged to have happened that jj
watt and defense coordinator said we're sick of your shit basically he's out now you said they're
gold with deshaun watson because their best player is their best guy they got jj watt there as well also i think notoriously known as a good guy you think that
team's in a good spot but they have to fill a lot of positions was bill o'brien killing them or what
are your thoughts on that entire situation yeah i mean three bad moves i just jump out right away
trading for laramie tunzel for two number ones and then not even doing a contract so tunzel gets
all the leverage does this incredible deal afterwards, trading Andre Hopkins for inferior value and trading
Clowney for inferior value and paying him $7 million to go away and play for the Seattle
Seahawks. Listen, he's in a no-win situation. A coach has to inspire, motivate, worry about the
present right now. A general manager has to be detached,
unemotional, worry about the future. And he's trying to be the same person. As Aaron knows,
when I was there, Ron Wolfe retired. Our coach, Mike Sherman, became coach and general manager.
Again, he looks at me, he goes, Andrew, listen, I'm going to make you the bad guy here.
And I'm like, Mike, I get it. I totally get it. You've got to get players
to run through a brick wall for you. You can't be holding the purse strings. So I ran that role.
In Philadelphia, Andy Reid, for so many years, he had Joe Banner run that role. But O'Brien was his
own bad guy. And I heard from agents and people like he graded on players. That's a problem.
So I don't think the coach generalgeneral-manager model works.
One guy can do it, Belichick,
because he's very unemotional and very detached.
But beyond that, it never works.
And Bill O'Brien was put in a position to fail, and they failed.
All right, let's talk another big business decision.
Bill O'Brien, all the arrows and roads led to him, by the way, for the firing.
So he ran out of people to blame, which which is i would assume in that particular business something you
need to have is people to blame things on uh dan quinn just did that last year he fired every
assistant coach that he had build up and hold the thing he's out with dimitrov who knows what the
future is with atlanta but the hot story today is levon Bell gets cut last night just hours after it is
announced that they're trying to trade him you initially upon hearing about them trying to trade
said good luck was your actual word good luck trading Le'Veon Bell with whatever his contract
was and his performance this year and nobody's going to want to give anything up they cut him
later and I might be wrong in this and I've been saying it very loudly so if I'm wrong I would like
you to educate me he can double dip right in this particular situation where he gets contract from the jets
that he is owed and then he can go to another team and get another contract somewhere else
a la what leonard for net did this year with the jaguars and the buccaneers or am i wrong in saying
that i think you're wrong pat damn it i was very loud in saying that. A little bit of Contract 101.
This is an offset guarantee.
So he's owed $6 million this year or whatever the remaining balance is.
He goes to another team and, say, makes $1 million.
That goes against the $6 million owed by the Jets.
So it's called an offset guarantee.
So he'll get the money.
And if he doesn't play, it's all from the Jets.
If he does play, some of it's from the Jets and some of it's offset by what he makes from the new team okay so we'll see i mean like
you said he could sit back and collect the six million and not play for anyone he could play for
someone get whatever say they pay two million then the jets oh four million and then he's got
an injury guarantee next year which is going to be hard unless he gets hurt badly to collect on that but 28 million
for a year and a few games with the jets so the jets continue to compound bad decisions with bad
contracts just such a matter of fact statement just such a matter of fact is this them saying
that they're going with adam gaze long term because the origin of this publicly is Le'Veon Bell liked a couple
tweets, right? That said that M Gase was a stooge basically. And he's not the only one liking tweets
that are saying that everybody outside the building is, but if you go back to Jamal Adams,
he came out and basically said he hated the place. I wanted to leave. Wasn't inspired. Boom. He's
gone. Now Le'Veon Bell likes a couple of tweets that say he's not being used right. And Adam
Gase's offense, he's gone. Is this the jet saying we're investing in adam gaze more so than levy on bell
or do you think they were going to unload levy on bell at the end of the season anyways let's go
ahead and do this now and kind of save the drama between gaze and levy on bell for the day-to-day
until we eventually get rid of adam gaze as well well different general manager as you noted once
that got out they're trying to trade him there There's no way they're going to trade him.
Everybody's going to say, well, wait until you cut him because you're not going to keep him.
And Joe Douglas has no investment in Le'Veon Bell.
That was the previous general manager, McCagnin, who, again, paid him big money, paid C.J. Mosley big money,
paid all these guys big money, and then is shipped out.
So there doesn't seem to be symbiosis between the gm
and the and the coach so i don't know if adam gaze is long for the future but hey pat don't
blame me because the jets called me a year and a half ago and i gave a glowing recommendation
to the guy named mike mccarthy you should hire him and a day later they hired adam gaze
and i said listen what did i just tell you about two
hours with mike mccarthy what happened they said well you know we talked to peyton manning yeah
adam gaze and you know no offense but peyton manning's more important than andrew brand i'm
like all right i get it you know i said i said mccarthy jets fans do hate peyton manning i've
learned because i put out a tweet about Peyton
Manning, and all Jets fans basically said was, yeah, well, he should just keep his mouth shut
and not talk about who should get hired where, because it's amazing that Adam Gase has gotten
two opportunities that people would die for to get in the Dolphins and in the Jets, and they
both seem to be going the exact same way. Le'Veon Bell, I would assume when he signs with the next
team, since it's an offset guarantee, they're going to sign him for a vet men and let the Jets pick up the tab for everything
else.
And Le'Veon Bell probably at this point is completely okay with that.
I assume he's going to go to a winning team because I think he saw what life was like
on a terrible team.
So I'm intrigued by that.
Let's move now to our final question for you.
And it's a big one.
And Diggs just reminded me of it.
When he said Mike McCarthy, it made me think of it.
Dak Prescott gets franchise tag.
You know, two years straight,
they said he needs to get a long-term deal.
He needs to get a long-term deal.
He becomes almost a free agent.
He gets franchise tag.
They offer him a five-year deal.
He wants a four-year deal.
Now here we are, week five,
and one of the most gruesome injuries we've ever seen.
Now I know that he'll be able to get back to full go.
Rehab is going to be strenuous and terrible.
But the big question now is, what is the future for the Cowboys?
What is the future for Dak Prescott?
Do those coincide with each other?
And how much money is going to be involved?
This is something where the business of the NFL, which you know a lot about,
you're the bad guy, you even said in a lot of situations,
can rear its ugly head into things and make it not as kosher or kumbaya
as everybody would like it to be.
Do you see that potentially happening with Dak and the Cowboys?
Or do you think Jerry is in a position, Stephen Jones is in a position,
where because of how serious the injury was, how much he's outplayed every contract they gave him,
that they're going to have to pay him long term?
Yeah, I think they will.
And I'm going to push back against the narrative that somehow Dak hurt his financial future
with the big assumption this is not career ending, which I think everyone agrees, this injury. And it was a sad, gruesome
injury. That moment of him crying is going to be one of the moments of this year. I think that's a
big moment. So listen, I think Dak Prescott will be in the same position in February that he was
last February, where the Cowboys have three options. Pay him a contract that Dak will agree to, which
hasn't happened. Pay him a franchise tag, which will be $37 million next year combined with $31
this year. Give him $68 million over two. Or set him free to a market where no matter how bad the
injury, I think, Pat, he'll get a huge contract because you never see a player like Dak Prescott
hit the market.
The closest we've seen is like Kirk Cousins or Peyton Manning coming off three neck surgeries.
This guy will get paid. So at worst, in my opinion, he's going to make $68 or $69 million over two years.
Let's compare that to Mahomes, and I know I've talked about that deal, $63 million over three years.
So Dak will be fine.
The question I don't know is what they were talking about last year in terms of money,
why Dak didn't take it.
Jerry's going to have to be above that no matter what
because by that time we may see a Lamar Jackson, we may see someone else set a new market,
and then Dak will have to respond to that.
Last thing is we saw Jerry and Stephen Jones on
record saying basically in so many words they're going to take care of Dak I know players are
watching especially on the Cowboys and other teams to make sure they take care of this guy
I'm bullish on his future still okay we like to hear that I'm sure Dak does as well so do Cowboys
fans every time you speak I feel like I learned something thanks for educating us today ladies
and gentlemen the host of the Business of Sports podcast,
former vice president of the Packers and executive vice president of VaynerSports,
ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Brandt.
Thank you, Andrew.
Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this stupid-ass show.
I mean, it's dumb.
We know it's dumb.
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Hopefully you escape life a little bit.
And hopefully, if you like this show,
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We have another one coming out
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Oh my God, I'm very excited
for tomorrow's show.
Oh.
Yeah.
Think about tomorrow's show.
I know, I don't want to tease it too much because I do want people to be genuinely surprised.
But wow.
Wow.
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Whoa.
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By the way, you can listen to us live 12 to 3 every single day on Sirius XM, Mad Dog Sports Radio Channel 82.
All right.
It's still happening.
By the way, a month and a half into this thing, I'm very impressed.
Boys are still barking whenever you say Mad Dog Sports Radio.
That's very impressive.
That type of stuff doesn't normally last in this office,
and the fact that it has, I'm very proud of, to be honest.
I appreciate that.
A lot of quit in this office when it comes to ideas that we love.
Yeah, absolutely.
Stuff gets stale.
You see? That's a part of, absolutely. Stuff gets stale. You see?
That's a part of loving things.
Stuff gets stale.
If you love it, you run it.
And if you run it, what happens?
It dies.
It does.
That's something we'll get better as we go, I think.
Sure.
Maybe not.
I assume not, actually,
because I don't know how you just change
an entire group's opinion on hating things
whenever they come.
Not easy.
Get a lot of tweets about stuff too.
Like, hey, I wish you would do this again.
I just want to tell them like,
I want to let you know,
I don't know how the rest of the office feels,
but I fucking hate that.
We ran it so dry.
There are a couple of things though
that we have to bring back in this office.
Office Championship Wrestling is right there at the top,
but in the middle of a pandemic, it's going to be tough.
It will be tough.
For those new listeners that don't know anything about Office Championship Wrestling,
when I say this, I mean this.
It might have been our best work we've ever done.
I think it's the most fun I've had since working here.
We shot it all in one night, basically.
The night before the first episode had to go out.
And I think we were editing it at maybe 2, 3 a.m. in the office.
Had to be back in at 8 a.m. the next morning.
Crying, laughing while editing that thing together.
Highly rewatchable.
Office Championship Wrestling.
The storylines.
I'm telling you.
The storylines for when the episodes were released.
I mean, we should have won an award for that.
We should have.
Probably an Emmy.
Probably should have won an Emmy.
Or a Webby.
I mean, Jesus himself.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth showed up.
The devil was in here.
We still have a coffin in the office.
Yeah.
Yes, we do.
That Zito may or may not have stolen.
Office championship wrestling.
That was something we had an entire season two ready to go, by the way.
Had to back off it.
I think it'll have its day in the sun again.
We're going to have to change some storylines now at this point,
but I do believe we will have a shot at bringing that back.
All right.
That's the show.
Stupid show.
That's the show.
We're back tomorrow.
If you didn't like the show, just act like it never happened, dude.
Not that big of a deal.
Just, well, nothing happened here.
Just kind of slept.
Maybe say you slept for the last however long this episode is.
Sure.
All right.
Have a great day.
We'll see you tomorrow.
Ty, please play some independent music. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.