The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 279 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, Week 7 NFL Recap, Travis Kelce, Matt Hasselbeck, Ian Rapoport, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys dive into Overreaction Monday for week 7 of the NFL and recap all the games, and discuss whether or not the Patriots are potentially dead, if the Steelers are the class of the AFC, Aaron Rodgers' bounce back game against the Texans, the Lions improbable win, and everything else from week 7 of the NFL. Also joining the show is Super Bowl Champion, 5x Pro Bowler, 4x All-Pro, member of the 2010's NFL All-Decade Team, and current starting TE for the Kansas City Chiefs, Travis Kelce. Pat and Travis chat about his time in Kansas City, what it's like being on a team with that many weapons, how good Patrick Mahomes is, his pregame outfits, and what Patrick Mahomes got him for National TE's Day (23:03-44:26). Next, 18 year NFL veteran at QB, current cohost of ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown, friend of the program, Matt Hasselbeck joins the show. Pat, AJ Hawk, and Matt chat about week 7 of the NFL season, what's impressed him the most so far, his thoughts on Russell Wilson and the Seahawks and Kyler Murray and the Cardinals, what he thinks is going on in Dallas and how it can be changed, if the Packers loss was an anomaly after how well they played Sunday, and his thoughts on tonight's MNF game (48:12-1:06:34). Next, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport joins the program to chat about his recent suspension, how tough it was not breaking news, what he's hearing about potential trades, and whether or not Mike McCarthy is going to get another year in Dallas (1:06:36-1:19:42). Later, 9 Year NFL vet at DB, cohost of the Man-To-Man Pod, Everything DB, Darius Butler joins the show to chat about week 7 of the NFL, and he gives a few gambling locks for tonight's Monday Night game between the Bears and Rams (1:19:44-1:41:58). Closing out the show is another edition of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk where Pat and AJ chat about week 7 in the NFL, and look ahead to tonight's Monday Night Football game (1:42:00-2:04:02). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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fresh off an ass beating of the Broncos in the snow, joining us today. Ian Rapoport, fresh off a suspension. Wow. Because he was selling um you know items that make you trim up around uh the bush and trees a little bit better off we'll talk to him about news happening in the world also have Darius Butler to make some picks for tonight's game over under on passing yards Matt Hasselbeck AJ Hawk what a day we have here on this October 26th.

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we've learned so much about teams in the first seven weeks of the nfl season one season that we thought would never be able to get off the ground because of a worldwide pandemic. But games are being played. Some teams are playing at the highest rate we've seen in some time. Shout out to the Steelers being the only undefeated team left. Yes, the Steelers played the Tennessee Titans and in the first half it looked like the Pittsburgh Steelers might win by 60 to 70 points. But in the second half, and maybe it's because they played three games in 13 games or whatever 13 days or whatever but the derrick henry tennessee titans offense gave it one last burst they were climbing back they were pounding the steelers and then the steelers just kept the foot on the throttle and ended up winning the damn game steelers are the

most dominant team in the afc I think everybody can agree with that. They've been playing at the highest level, the most consistent throughout this entire season. That defense is going to be a goddamn problem for anybody. Not just in the AFC, in the entire NFL. The defense is unbelievable. They have a running game, obviously. But will they be able to, in the AFC chase, be able to keep up with the Kansas City Chiefs who just beat the dog shit out of the Denver Broncos yesterday in a snow game.

In Denver, in the snow, which a lot of people wouldn't think that a high-powered offense would be able to do well in the snow like the Kansas City Chiefs, much like a Ferrari Lambo or any rear-wheel vehicle does in the snow. Everybody thought that that would potentially fizzle them out. But on the contrary, Patrick Mahomes has said he thinks he's a snow game guy. Last year, whenever they played in the snow. Everybody thought that that would potentially fizzle them out. But on the contrary, Patrick Mahomes has said he thinks he's a snow game guy. Last year, whenever they played in the snow and everybody thought they were going to collapse, he was actually quoted on the sideline saying, I like this. Everybody's moving so slow. And I

just sit back there and go, his exact words, boop, boop, boop. That's how he views the NFL right now. That is how he plays the football. although he only threw for one touchdown. They had a massive game over the Denver Broncos in the AFC, and they just added Le'Veon Bell, who got a couple touches yesterday, somehow, someway, out of nowhere. Clyde Edwards-Alaire is a problem. But Le'Veon Bell being added to that entire thing is awesome, and their defense is actually the story of everything.

Yesterday, the Kansas City Chiefs won 0-8 on third down. The defense led them and kept Denver under 20 points. The defense is great. The offense just added Laid Bell, and they are off and running on all cylinders. The AFC looks to be a two-headed race almost at this point, lest the Titans can bounce back, which everybody thinks they can. Ravens come off of a bye week. Who knows how that'll go? They play the Pittsburgh Steelers next weekend. It feels like that whole world is really cooking at the top of the AFC. At the bottom of the NFC, it appears a team has fallen into that category just almost overnight at this particular point. There is a team up in New England for 20 years. Every other year,

New England for 20 years every other year damn near they were in the Super Bowl they beat everybody they'd go to the Super Bowl they'd come back to the next year which everybody said was impossible they debunked so many theories in the NFL's history they'll be talked about as the greatest dynasty ever then Tom Brady and Bill Belichick got into it a little bit behind the scenes if you read or agree with any of the stories that have come out. And Tom Brady wanted to go a different way, and Bill Belichick was going to prove that he was the greatest coach of all time without Tom Brady. Go ahead and go down to Tampa Bay, Tom.

No longer Tommy fucking Foxborough. Get the hell out of here. We'll be able to do our thing. They had Jared Stidham at quarterback, lined up to be the starting quarterback. They did not give a damn. Are we going to bring in more wide receivers because we didn't have any last year? No, no.

It wasn't the wide receiver or the offense that we had. This was Tom Brady's fault for our failures last year on the offensive side of the ball. We'll be able to do this with Jared Stidham. Then, all of a sudden, they signed Cam Newton. And Cam Newton, who I thought looked to be in the best shape of his life, looked to be in the best mental place

that he could possibly be. If you want to have a competitive quarterback, signs for $1 million. He's the starter, and it gets off to a hot start. They get going. We are seeing Bill Belichick reinvent himself with Josh McDaniels and Cam Newton in this offense. And now here we are just a few weeks after that in one COVID outbreak, and the New England Patriots seem to be dead.

And I don't like to be the person that says that, but the Patriots are now under 500 at least five games into a season for the first time since 2002, says Field Yates. This is the first time the offense looks like it's lost, and the defense seems like it can't stop anything. The San Francisco 49ers offense looked awesome yesterday jimmy g looked dominant debo samuel they are moving the rock the 49ers scored five times at one point and cam newton had only completed six passes it is the complete opposite of what the new england patriots have been for so so long

and to be honest it almost hurts my heart to watch. Now, granted, a lot of people are celebrating and dancing on this particular fact that the Patriots are dead. And a lot of Patriots fans are kind of miserable about the whole thing. But what we have seen in New England was awesome for a long, long time. And now it seems like there is just a very, very new chapter in the NFL's AFC story. Will that get clipped later for a freezing cold take? Potentially. And that's why I'll never bet against the Patriots

because I've been on the other sideline against the Patriots and lost by like 900 points. Bill Belichick somehow always wins when he's not supposed to win. Josh McDaniels always figures it out in the offensive side. And Ernie, the guy that's up in the sky, who's looking at formation signals, whatever the hell he's looking at it seems like they have football figured out this year for whatever reason it's just not working and it's not just cam newton right cam newton obviously since covet has been a very different quarterback it's almost like covet stole his joy but yeah yeah don't look like he's happy. You know, this video is early from the season whenever he was dancing.

Killing it. Skipping, doing the whole thing. Then he'd get on the game. Same thing. Even if he wasn't playing his best, he was having a good time. Looks like those days are long gone now. Will he be able to find his joy again post-COVID? Jeff Garcia chewed him out wild.

Wild. I mean, there's a lot of things that he said in there that people really, you know, took in a fashion that was negative about old Jeff Garcia. I'm not sure what he said helped him out more so than helped Cam Newton out, but he went after Cam Newton for the way he dresses and he's not playing well and you need not dress like that. And Jeff Garcia, by the way,

has been on our show like three, four times. Always a good conversation with us. Whenever that video hit the internet, I was like, damn, I did not know this was like what Jeff Garcia would do. I did not expect that to come out there. But Cam Newton said, you know what? You're right. I agree with him. I'm not going to change the way I play, but I haven't been playing the way that I should play if I want to be Cam Newton.

Whatever the hell he said. Cam Newton took the high road. Very nice of him to do that. Let's cause no drama here. I agree with him. I'm going to keep it moving. Jeff Garcia went after him. And the reason why everybody now has turned to how Cam Newton's performing

and how the New England Patriots are performing is because if you watched a game in the desert last night in a place called the Death Star, there's a quarterback playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that looks better than he has ever looked in his entire career at this point. There's a guy who's 43 years old who eats avocado ice cream who has just been dominant, not only in the dinks and dunks, which everybody thought was all he could do with running backs at New England because they only really gave him one good deep threat

if you look through his entire roster of wide receivers at New England, Randy Moss was the only guy he really ever had, really. That was a super deep threat. Is that right, Connor? A.B. for a game last year, but yeah, Randy Moss. So maybe we're getting a chance to see Tom Brady be even better than he was in New England because this is the first time where he just has a plethora of weapons.

He's overdosing on talent around him on the offensive side of the ball. Bruce Arians, Byron Lefkowitz, and he have crafted that offense into be one that Tom loves. A lot of play action in there. Bruce Arians loves to do the seven-step drop. Hold my dick. I'm going to throw the ball as hard as I can. Tom Brady's like, we can't be doing that.

I'm not getting hit like that. It's kind of transformed a little bit. Now they're finding people that I'd never even heard of. Rob Gronkowski's all the way back. The offensive line seems to be protecting. Chris Godwin just scored a tutty yesterday that was awesome where he screamed, let's fucking go right into a microphone on the side of the field. And then Tom Brady comes over and yells the same exact thing.

That team seems to be really, Mike Evans didn't get targeted a lot yesterday, drew a couple fouls, but that's going to be a part of it whenever mike evans gets doubled or whatever happens okay now we got godwin now we got by the way now gronk is going to start getting covered because everybody's realizing it's the same gronk so now godwin evans and potentially antonio brown like garrett blunt uh uh levy not levy on bell le shawoy, I think, is still on that team down there. Rojo is down there. He is dominant. And if you're a Patriots fan, I want to let you know, watching Tom Brady do this is probably tough.

It's probably no fun because there was a chance that the Patriots could have brought Tom back, everybody's thinking. And maybe that could have been settled years ago. And now you have to watch him basically at his new home play football almost better than he ever played for you uh see that he's enjoying himself down there and i'm gonna tell you he's probably gonna win super bowl too if if history has even ever told you and i'm just telling you from personal experience here because i had to do that with peyton manning you see with peyton whenever he left he got he got he got cut by the Indianapolis Colts.

The Indianapolis Colts cut Peyton Manning. There was a whole press conference, you know, hey, I appreciate my time here. I'm going to be a free agent, the whole thing. And everybody in the building was like, oh, they just cut Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning just got cut in the NFL. That is wild. What's going to happen next?

And it's like, well, we got Andrew Luck. He's the quarterback of the future, the nextom and he was and all that but while we did get the future and the phenom and a guy that was very very very good there was just a highlight reel happening in denver every fucking weekend he threw 55 touchdowns in one season over there something that had never been done before he looked like he was better than he's ever been he was running and scrambling and throw gay went to a couple superbowls he won one and we just had to sit there and be like yes andrew luck is awesome we love andrew luck but also for those of us that were here beforehand we knew that that some bitch still had years left we knew that he could still play football

but business gets in the way had to cut him he goes on so if you're a patriot fan you probably know like we knew tom still had great football left in him we knew he was going to be unbelievable but we're a bill belichick town and now you're watching just the patriots go the opposite direction and tom go this direction and it just feels like he's not just looking like he's 30 years old again? All the stats say he's playing like it's 2007 again. Is the avocado ice cream and the pliability and all that bullshit, is it just, is it like Benjamin Button? It is.

Perhaps. In 2007, at the age of 30, he had a 70% completion percentage at this point. 9.1 yards per attempt. 122.6 pass rating. shit this guy is crushing it not bad what a year this is they're saying at the age of 30 you start now at the age of 43 in 2020 old tommy foxborough is 72 completion two percent better 9.4 yards per 10.3 yards further which would be a foot shout to me and 123 passer rating which is better than his passer rating whenever he was 30 years old that team just added Antonio Brown the defense I mean Derek Carr didn't have that bad of a game to

be honest with you but the defense did ultimately dominate the offense It's just the way that team is shaping, it looks like the Patriots fans are going to have to just watch that for probably the next couple years, it feels like. The way the commentators were talking about it is like, yeah, he signed a two-year deal, but he might play until he's 50 or something. If you have to sit for another seven years watching that, that could be tough. But this is the exact same feeling that Colts fans had when Peyton left, when we knew he could still play. We knew the whole thing. This is the exact same feeling that colts fans had when peyton left when we knew he

could still play we knew the whole thing this is the same exact situation and no he only played a few more years and the wheels eventually came off that team became a defense-led team but for the first couple years over there we're just watching peyton manning lead another afc franchise right to the super bowl and it was wild you You guys are going to have to do it. It's going to be the NFC. But that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. I still have faith that Belichick will be able to bring the Patriots back. I will never bet against them.

But those are the big storylines from the weekend. There's some other shit that happened. Kyler Murray gets a big dub on Sunday Night Football at home against Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks. And the story might be of that game that Russell Wilson threw three interceptions in a Sunday Night Football game on the road in the division. But I don't think that's an accurate storyline. Russell Wilson was awesome last night.

Absolutely awesome. And I think that's why stats can sometimes get a little, you know, twisted or kind of shaped in any story that you want to tell. Russell threw three picks last night, which I don't think he's ever done before, maybe hasn't in a long, long time, whatever it is. And he looked dominant last night. They should have won that game numerous times. Us cards bettors were sitting there thinking,

I'm not 100% sure we're going to be able to pull this off. I didn't know why I thought that the cards were going to be able to do what they did. But Kyler Murray, that offense, that defense, which did get picked apart quite a few times by no fault of their own Russell Wilson was dropping balls literally into baskets but Kyler Murray that Arizona Cardinals team Cliff Kingsbury he had to make a lot of decisions late but a lot of people were questioning on the

internet he ends up getting a win against the Seahawks and now the Cardinals are right in it in the greatest division in football right now which is the NFC, they should be absolutely thrilled with where they're headed. Great Sunday night football game. I stayed up until the very end of it. I was like, damn, it's getting late. Damn, it's getting late. Wow, this game is awesome, though. It was an incredible weekend of football that we have to talk about,

and we've got to get to all of it. Joining me, Atone Diggs with the hat. Great gambling weekend. It felt like almost all the public money won this weekend, which is good news for everybody. Yeah, I think so you were 5-0 on Hammered Down. No, we didn't. Lombardi was 3-0.

Gumpy was 5-1. I was 4-1. Probably just the hottest gambling show on earth, I'd imagine. Wow. See, whenever I heard about those stats from everybody, and I saw it on Twitter, at Hammered Down, D-A-H-N, I saw how good of a weekend everybody had. I was like, oh, that just must be everybody won this weekend.

That has to be the case. But our show, if people want to say everybody won or whatever, cool, we're just going to continue to do that. It feels like we are very, very hot right now. It feels like everything's kind of getting figured out. What teams are what teams? Who's what? And I feel like at Hammer Don, which is on Monday, Thursday, Friday,

some good fucking picks coming out of there. If you're trying to get a little bit of money. Now, listen, only bet what you want to lose or whatever. You know, you got to act like it's casino money. But we're making people a lot of fucking money. I saw a guy that parlayed like eight of our picks that all hit or whatever. Guy made over like 700 bucks, 800 bucks or something like that. It's like, let's go.

Let's make money for the people, Doug. People were trying to tell you that everyone won? that's what happened yeah I felt like I got some tweets like 86 percent of the money was was on the Seahawks losers and 89 percent of the money was on the Titans I don't think they covered I can't believe that by the way everybody was talking about how the Steelers didn't play anybody you have no idea who they are or whatever those people didn't watch any of the Steelers games I don't think going into that because when you watch that defense live and you get to watch it week in week out and then you watch other games you're like oh this defense is a lot different than everybody else and I thought they were going to be able to you know withstand

the Derrick Henry onslaught and there was a couple times where I thought oh no Derrick Henry got to him because they'll just keep feeding them second half they feel like you're tired and beat up and you still got to be able to tackle him but that defense is a game changer an absolute game and I assume the Titans and Steelers will play each other again at some point down the road but that that defense is unbelievable right now yeah he had the second lowest rushing total in his last 16 games I think Daniel Tannehill threw for 220 and I think 80 ofiva came on one play to A.J. Brown. Defense played really well. Special teams had a huge punt return.

Ben looked good. I mean, he gave the ball to them a couple times because he felt bad for them, but other than that, it was fine. That's fair. That's kind of what Russell Wilson did last night. It felt like that's what Russell Wilson was doing. Three picks out of Russ last night, and I got a bunch of people tweeting me like,

oh, that's all you're going to talk about. It's like, to be honest, while watching, I didn't even realize it was really three until I saw him throw one, and I was like, I think that's his fucking second interception. And then the third was like oh that is his third interception whatever the one where patrick peterson got in the corner i thought that was a stupid play yeah i think he was trying to throw that away it might have been a broken play and it was kind of a miss so that one was done the one where he had to get it over the linebacker and he just floated it too much and buda baker got it and then dk metcalf dk metcalf

maybe maybe the most awesome thing i've seen on a football field in a long time long long time you can get big plays and everything like that dk metcalf deciding it was almost i think julio jones did this a couple years back it was almost like um i think pierre garcon too whenever uh we were playing back in like 2012 somebody said hey this reminds me of pierre in the year and i do remember pierre chased one down and punched the ball out i think it was against the patriots it was awesome like it was one of those moments anytime a wide receiver uh just like tries on those plays or a quarterback tries you're always like okay a big hit's gonna come that DK Metcalf walk, hawk of Buda Baker was awesome. I mean, that was just – and Buda Baker said, hey, he hawked me.

Respect. Like, there ain't nothing you can do because there's nothing Buda could do. That was fucking cool. And then, obviously, no points come of that. So it's massive. Good for DK Metcalf with one of the coolest things I've ever seen in my entire life. I saw Buda ran like a 4-4-5 at the combine. So he's not slow.

Like, DK is just an absolute freak. Yeah. Yeah, he is not slow. Buda Baker like a 4-4-5 at the combine, so he's not slow. Like, DK is just an absolute freak. Yeah, he is not slow. Buda Baker is a savage. At Boston Conner, good to see you. The Patriots seem to be dead, yeah? Yeah, it is what it is, 2-4, whatever Bill wants to do. Let's just follow Bill. How about watching Tom, though?

Is that interesting? It is interesting. I'm honestly, at this point, just glad he has an offense that actually mimics his talent because even if he was on the Patriots, I don't know if he could help because our wide receivers are that bad. Yeah, see, that's very interesting you say that. Because, you know, I guess that's kind of what we thought with Denver. It was like, you know what?

They seem to be running the same offense as us up there. But he's just throwing touchdowns every time he throws the fucking ball. You know, you just got to sit there and take it, I guess. But that Tampa team, I think, is only getting better. Like, I think they're only getting better. Adding antonio brown are you thinking like oh no if it's not broke why are we trying to fix it what the fuck this could be catastrophic i don't think that i think that locker room is like hey here we are we're playing football we're winning a super bowl here and hopefully antonio brown's the same way and bruce aarons we have a clip of it we'll listen to it here in a little bit uh probably on the other side of the travis

kelsey interview we have in four minutes which means we have to get to a break uh he basically said like hey if what he did was true we'll he'll the court case we'll figure it out it's coming up he'll be gone which by the way if he's guilty i think everybody in the nfl and ever is like hey justice should be served as hard and punished as possible and if not okay let's move on see if he can not be a complete disaster in a locker room like he has been the last couple of stops that he had because in pittsburgh for a long time a lot of success oh yeah ton with tom there for one week a lot of success it was awesome who knows how this is gonna go but they're only gonna get better good for them joining us now is a man who, I'll tell you what, might be

the most fashionable human I've ever seen in my entire life. Yesterday or two days ago, coming off a plane, he was wearing an outfit that might have been the nicest outfit I've ever seen in my life and also most expensive outfit I've ever seen in my entire life. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who's been around for a long, long time. One of the greatest tight ends of all time, I think we can say at this point. From the undefeated,

nope, not undefeated, they lost to the Raiders, but you get it. Kansas City, the reigning champions of Kansas City Chiefs, ladies and gentlemen, Travis Kelsey.

The Chiefs! How are you, man? Hey, man, I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys having me on, man. I'm a big fan of the show. I'm happy to be sitting here talking to the boys, man. No, we are thrilled to have you on here, brother. The goatee is fantastic.

You got the hair on the top at this point. I do believe... Woo! Oh, shit! That's like the... I think I saw a pinky ring on you the other day. A couple of chains. You got to keep that pinky ring. Come on.

Need it. What has this year been like for you, Trav? It looks like you guys are enjoying the hell out of this whole thing, being the target on everybody's minds every single week. I mean, just attacking the day. I mean, we know what we have in the building, and that's a Super Bowl-caliber team. It is what it is, man. We feel confident with the pieces that we have, as well as the new additions that we

just got in 2-6, left belt coming through and just coming in with energy. Energy and a whole lot of swagger, man, and it just juices everybody. You know how swagger's contagious, man. And we just keep building this beast. Especially in the middle of the season here. We're far enough into the season, especially with all these COVID protocols where you can't see the beginning, and the light at the end of the tunnel is still very, very far away.

So having a new guy come in with a lot of energy, I didn't even think about that potentially being a big benefit in the locker room. Have you gotten a chance, obviously, to get to know him yet? Did you guys know him whenever he came in, and what were the immediate thoughts? Well, I knew him just from being around the league and playing the Steelers so much. One of my friends actually played with him at Michigan State, so I ended up kind of having a mutual friendship with him. And as he came here into Kansas City, I mean, you could see it in the first walkthrough, man.

The guy was excited. He's ready to learn. There's a lot to learn in this offense because Coach Reed can put you in so many different places. So for him to be a professional, just come in ready to learn like a rookie in the building, like a first-year guy, man, just excited to be around a winning football team, man. It's definitely been a blessing to see that, and it's refreshing, man. You see kind of the same guys every single week, and you kind of get caught up in the routine of things, and when you get that little sprinkle of new magic, man, it's fun.

Yeah, what is that offense that you refer to? Because it feels like Andy Reid, okay? He goes to a dry race sport, and he gets like a blue, a red, a green, whatever it is. And he just, because of how many weapons you guys have. Like, so, all the weapons you guys have, so much, so many explosive players. And we'll talk about how the fuck you guys are keeping them all on the team still. We'll talk about that at some point. Including yourself.

Congrats on the new contract. You deserve it. But it feels like he just goes over $100 million earned, by the way, nfl career still gotta earn it baby still gotta earn it yeah yeah but those louis boots those louis boots come with they were comfortable yeah they kept my toes warm in the weather out there i'm not gonna lie hey this outfit right here uh if we had to guess price on it oh man i can't even i can't even you know i can't look at price tags man i just go that's my boy can't hide it it's one of the nicest outfits i've ever seen in my entire life being 100 candid and then you got a big leather pants guy i love it leather pants

guy love it love what you got i would never wear it but other humans wearing it i'm a big fan then you have the then you have like the 50 cent mask on though that was the only thing we thought you should have had like maybe a you know what I mean like a I always screw up with the mask I don't know what it is I just take the one that's like closest to me and usually it's just a box of ones as you're leaving the facility yeah you know you just grab a blue one you just keep it going I got to get you're right I do I have to get better with the mask. It always just throws it off. Yeah, this outfit. Look at the outfit.

I mean, this is like an award-winning costume you have on here hopping off the plane, like greatest costume, game day costume of all time. And then the mask is like, okay, all right, we can get that mask at CVS right down here on the street. But other than that, Travis, thank you for remaining humble with the mask. But let's get back to this offense.

You guys have so many weapons. I feel like Andy Reid just goes to a dry race board and just starts drawing different routes for everybody do you guys have to memorize concepts do you have to like what is what goes into that offense because it feels like you guys have a never-ending supply of plays it's almost like a new play can be created on a spot oh yeah that's and that's exactly what it is. You'll see a lot of different variations of concepts, kind of mix matching certain concepts together. But for the most part, it's just a new game plan every single week. So you really have to lock in Monday through Saturday on trying to stay in tune with why we're calling the plays, why we're doing things like this.

Because the one thing Coach Reed does that's unbelievable is he matches up everything. So you'll get the same formation with about five different routes and five different variations of what we're doing within that certain set of formations. And, you know, it just takes off. What it does for you as a player is it puts you in a position to succeed. It makes the guy across from you have to play reactionary football. And if you're on your P's and Q's and you're doing the fundamentals the right way, you're working on your stuff throughout the week, you know what I mean?

It sets you up to have success on Sundays. And that's why you love Coach Reed and this offensive scheme. Well, then you guys added in this power game where it's like we'll ground and pound if we have to with CEH or whatever it was that was that something you think that Andy and you guys did a little self-scout on the offense is like hey we also have to be able to ground and pound this thing out and be able to have that attitude or is it just like this Clyde guy is a fucking animal like we should think about getting this guy the ball as much as possible or does it open up everything else or all things that I just said there?

It's exactly what you just said. I mean, what it does for the offensive linemen, you know what I mean? They can come off the ball and not have to worry about pass setting and trading off blocks and stuff like that. They can just come off the ball and maul the dude and create a new line of scrimmage. What that does for them is it puts them in a way easier, way better situation throughout the course of the game when we do have to throw the ball in a two-minute drill or towards

the end of the game when we have to run the ball. You know, it gives them that gritty mentality just coming off the ball and mauling dudes. And at the end of the day, you're going to have to run the ball in the NFL. You know what I mean? This game has changed a lot in terms of how much we pass. But at the end of the day, you're going to have to run the ball to win a football game. And getting that going is always key. I haven't been paying attention enough.

Are you out there throwing your body around? You big blocking tight end right now? I got you, man. Yeah! This is a team game, man. I'm out here. We got goons in the back. I can take it to the house.

So how can you not get excited about blocking for the guys in the backfield? And just try to be a more accountable football player altogether. You know what I mean? Being open for Pat. When another guy gets a pass or catches a pass, you know what I mean? Being open for Pat, when another guy gets a pass or catches a pass, you know what I mean? Trying to find an extra body and just trying to always, you know, be there for my teammates, man. I think over the course of my career,

I haven't shown enough of that. And this year, without a doubt, I'm definitely trying to throw my body around a little bit more and show everybody I'm a complete football player, man. How much has winning the Super Bowl changed everything like workouts that does it change any like the the knowledge that your team can win it is one that is very powerful to have I think going into workouts me is it that big of a change in a factor you think after winning it it's like we've got a chance to taste it now let's do it again oh yeah for sure and it was always, I mean, for my seven years here, we were kind of the little brother to a lot of teams in the AFC. And I hate to say that. It burns me to say that.

But it is what it is. And we just couldn't get over the hump. And then we got this guy, Patty Mahomes, and all of a sudden we became the favorites. And everybody expects us to be great on every single play. And winning the Super Bowl, that just boosts your level of confidence. I mean, you walk in the building knowing you can fix something. You can fix whatever's wrong or you can keep getting better

and still be at the top of the league, at the top of the charts. And the confidence and the leadership and the culture, everything that's in place here is set up for us to win another Super Bowl. And as long as we just keep that that that fighting mentality that that grit that we had last year uh that we got right now man it's uh it's fun so whenever you guys made that move that's awesome by the way i don't want to act like that didn't just wasn't a really cool answer that was a cool answer okay great answer there dude want to let you know it was a great answer really good answer there and um something i never

experienced because drew breeson is stupid baby beat us in the super bowl or whatever my rookie year uh greg palomaro yeah i mean there's a few thanks okay thanks by the way i i'm wearing the bearcats just to kind of reference i don't know if you uh if you remember the 2008 uh west virginia cincinnati bearcats game i'll tell you i'll tell you what it was about this close from being the worst game of my life to, you know what I mean, just a fantastic finish. Pat McAfee rallying the Mountaineers into OT and then kicks what could be the game-winning field goal in OT. Yeah, I did.

And then Tony Pike and the boys, man. Tony Pike and the boys just came through like Cincinnati Bearcats do. And the old Big East, man. You got to love the Big East, man. Shout out to the old school Big East. Some of the best football you'll ever see, man. I agree. By the way, like four straight BCS wins back in the day.

The Big East back in the day was humming. We had Louisville, Cincy, us obviously. Rutgers back in the day had a team whenever they were running. I mean, we had a real run there in that game. You could have just gave it to me because, you know, the year before that I missed those kicks against Pitt. That night was like a Big East championship game basically. I hit an onside kick.

We get it. 52 yarder. Send it to overtime. 40-some yarder. Oh, my God. Jeez. I've never seen fans. I mean, you guys were down 20 with like four minutes left.

I've never seen fans leave the building and come flying back in the stadium. And it was like it was empty for the entire fourth quarter. And then with two minutes left, that thing was packed to the T all over again. It was like they said, oh, I don't care if you got a ticket. Just get back in here. Yeah. And it was, I mean, it was off the wall. When you hit that field goal to take it into OT, I was off the wall when you hit that that uh the field goal

to take it into ot i was sitting in the stands i had a broken foot i was there with my family just trying to enjoy my brother playing football i got hit with about four beer cans in college in college the family sections are all they're all right together so cincinnati there's that one little side yeah kind of corner by the tunnel in the corner yeah cincinnati fans it's all family. Nobody else is really traveling to West Virginia in college. So it's just like the entire family is just getting showered as this game is going into OT. And I've always had an appreciation for West Virginia fans, though, man.

I was once trying to be a Mountaineer, actually, for Bobby Huggins and the boys. Oh, for hoops. I forgot how good you were at basketball. I forgot you were like a stud basketball player. I wouldn't say stud. I couldn't dribble to save my life, but I could put up points. I could take you in the post and go to work. No handles. No handles at all.

No, I mean very little. I mean, if I got a rebound, I was trying to push the fast break every time, and about one out of every five pushes it would go off my knee or turnover city but uh i found my way on the field pretty quick well i think you made the right decision hundred million dollars wow that is a lot but the um i picked the cincinnati bearcats to be in the college football playoff this year on college game day i haven't grown i heard that i heard i got me fired up too and I tell you what, getting inside the top 10 ranked 7th in the AP

polls right now. And then just smacking SMU. And then they just smacked SMU this past weekend, which was supposed to be a big time. Like, Fickles got a squad. They got like a squad over there. I'll tell you what, it's back to the days that we were running the Big East. I hate to throw that at you like that. Yeah, fuck you.

It's fun to just see. You know what good football is. When you see guys flying around, having fun, chest bumping, ringing the bells on the sidelines, doing the interception dunks and everything. You just see guys enjoying themselves in college football. You know what teams are going to have the juice and which teams don't. Right now, Fickle's got the guys playing their tail off, man, and it's fun to watch. I agree completely.

Let's talk about your team here while we have a couple minutes left. I appreciate it. Whenever you guys make that move from Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes, outside the locker room, it was wild. It was like Alex Smith just had like an MVP-like season. He was going. It was Andy Reid's. Everybody knows Andy Reid's playbook is so big.

Alex Smith is probably only going to get better in that playbook. Send him out. Okay, see you later. Not coming back. You're going to Washington. And now it's Patrick Mahomes' team. What he has been able to accomplish in such a short time is stupid. And he said on LeBron James' barbershop show that he didn't start learning how to read a defense

until like halfway through last season or something like that. With all the offenses that you say, all the route concepts and how everything has to go and now he's learning defense like what is it about him in between the years that just makes him the guy I mean obviously he can make every throw but in between years it seems like he's the guy yeah and I don't know honestly that's where he separates himself is the confidence I mean that his arm is second to none. I think him and Aaron Rodgers are probably the two that can sling it the best in the league, just anywhere on the field from whether it's back foot, you know, across whatever throw you need, those two can make it.

But what separates Pat is his mentality, man. As soon as the game's over on Sunday, he's in the building Monday. I just saw him two seconds ago walking around trying to get better. What he does in terms of preparation, you talked about it, you touched on how he said he didn't know how to read defenses. I think it was a little bit exaggerated. I mean, I'm pretty sure he could look at the film and see whether it was a two high safety or one high safety and go from there. I think it's more so being confident in what he's seeing and what that is is it's a lot of work. It's a lot of repetition. It's a lot of film watching, being confident in what you're seeing out there on the field so you can make the right instinctual decisions because you don't got a whole lot of time to think back there as a

quarterback once the ball snapped. You got to start making instinctual decisions and his instincts, I mean you want to talk about some of the best the game has ever seen in terms of throwing the ball. I'm going to say it right now. He's the best in the game at doing that. Tomorrow morning, there's going to be a lot of sports talk shows that go. Travis Kelsey says that Patrick Mahomes is the

best instinctive quarterback in the NFL. Do you agree or disagree? Well, I disagree with that motherfucker. And then the other one, I completely agree with him. That's classic TV. What do you got, pal? Mr. Kelsey, you are technically, and I think everybody can agree, the best tight end of the game.

And yesterday was National Tight End Day. So my question for you is, did Patrick Mahomes get you like a car or a jet ski because he just got half a billion dollars or what? Yeah, what was the gift for tight end day? He got me the best gift you can give a tight end on national tight end day and that's a fucking w it's the best man i just shout out to george kiddo because when he started the national tight end day i did not think he was going to run like this and they turned it into literally a national holiday because we were all tight ends all over the league. We're all over the internet,

all over social media, catching touchdowns, getting praised. And, you know, I think it's just awesome for the position knowing that we've always kind of been that, that secondary, you know, position, whether it's getting paid or getting the recognition, the tight end group has always just been the, you know, just be the utility guys if you need us we're here for you to make it right um and it's cool to see us finally starting to get a little love travis the tight end position i would assume seven years ago was nowhere near valued what it is now it was probably like a couple you have a blocking tight end and then you have a pass catching tight end now it's become

this hybrid position where it's you're you're damn near a wide tight end, and then you have a pass-catching tight end. Now it's become this hybrid position where you're damn near a wide receiver some games, and then obviously you're in there throwing your body. At what point did you realize, like, okay, the tight end's about to become one of the most valuable positions in football? Like, did you see it coming as the game was changing a little bit? It was one year, man. It was 2011. You had the Jimmy Graham and the Rob Gronkowski.

They were just going back and forth every single week of just breaking each other's records. Both had over 1,000 yards and, like, I think over 10 touchdowns. And that's when it really took off because you had these huge physical specimens just running through, running over, jumping over defenses, catching the ball. And it became such an unbelievable weapon that everybody was talking about. Everybody was raving about it. And from that point on, I think the tight end position has just been used completely different. I think the athletes have always been there.

You look at Kellen Winslow Sr. He was an unbelievable athlete back in the day. A guy like Shannon Sharp, Tony Gonzalez, those guys were unbelievable athletes. I don't think the athlete has changed much. I just think the accountability and how much we're being used more in the offense has gone up. In my position, that's a shout out to Coach Andy Reid for dialing up the plays for me. But I think it just keeps going from here. It's such a unique position because you've got size and speed.

It's like being that dual forward. If you're a power forward, you're not quite a power forward. You're not quite a wing forward in basketball. You're just that guy that if the guy's bigger than you, you can take him out to the wing. If he's smaller, you can take him down to the post, but you always have an advantage, and that's what I love about being in the position.

Well, you do it really well, man. You're really, really really good i love it man i love it hundred million dollars dude you gotta be kidding me playing football bro playing football dude yeah that's uh it's pretty it's very fortunate very fortunate and you know you know i have uh who i have to thank is uh mick cronin you know mick cronin is he's a college basketball coach for ucla now but he was a college basketball coach at Cincinnati. Kind of a little head. Oh, yeah.

Kind of has like a little head, right? Yeah. Yeah, fiery guy, man. Yeah. Fiery guy. Yeah, he told me – I tried to play basketball my senior year. After my senior year of football happened and the draft was coming around, I was like, man, I just don't want to live down playing in the Big East

and possibly playing a Madison Square Garden in the Big East tournament, man. I just don't want that to down playing in the Big East and possibly playing in Madison Square Garden in the Big East tournament, man. I just don't want that to pass me by and have regrets of it. And he looked at me and said, no, you're about to go make millions in the NFL. There's no way I'm letting you play basketball. I still hate him to today. Because I ended up going to the Kansas City Chiefs that year, and I don't know if it would have been the same if I would have played. All right, here's the deal.

You run out in Madison Square Garden. We'll get our five. You get your five. You'll fucking play basketball in there. Oh, man. Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen. Things come true, baby.

Hey, ladies and gentlemen, one day after National Tight End Day, tight end of the day for us, from the Kansas City Chiefs in the University of Cincinnati Bearcat Travis Kelsey fellas anytime man appreciate you man we'll talk to you again good luck you know what you know thank you good dude that's our first real conversation like we've had conversations on field dap up how's it going fanny follow you follow appreciate you that type of thing interaction then monday night football whenever they played the rams uh in la oh yeah i was there like the greatest monday night football game of

all time i was walking around the field or whatever he caught a pass like right in front of me he had some um some feathers in his cleats or something. They were awesome looking or whatever. And I was like, those cleats are awesome. And he said something about, he referenced something in my life that I had just done. I'm like, oh, my God. He was like, yeah, yeah, how are you? We had a full embrace on the sideline. This was right in front of like 10 ESPN executives or whatever.

There's a bunch of people all around there. And then he just leaves or whatever. I was like, God damn. These people have to be so confused why this guy with a sleeveless hoodie on over here he's just getting all these conversations but he's been very nice to me always has been and that conversation with him was awesome i'm a big fan of travis kelsey he's very good at the football had no idea he was also very good at the basketball aside from dribbling well he can't dribble for shit yeah the guy can play basketball or whatever post moves digs wanted me to uh tell him about my formation i have with clyde edwards

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joining us now on overreaction monday october 26th is a man who played in the nfl for a long long time 18 years actually in the nfl three-time pro bowler, quarterback, Matt Hasselbeck. How's it going, bud? What's up, guys? Appreciate that 18 here. Every time, Pat, I appreciate the 18 because a lot of people who just Wikipedia me, who don't really know me, they say 17. But as I've told you, that first year was 17 games on the practice squad with the Green Bay Packers.

My position coach, Andy Reid, said, listen, there's no room for you here as a quarterback but i will let you be on the practice squad and be in the quarterback rooms if you can play scout team tight end every day and block reggie white and i said sign me up when i was 12 and pop corner i played tight end i'm good to go how'd it go by the way reggie White just eat you for, uh, for lunch every day. He was a, he was a very, um, nice guy. He'd be like, listen, I'm going to sit here for one, 1,000 to 1,000. Then I'll dishrag you to the ground. Make sure you don't roll up on any of my teammates. Yes, sir. That's very nice. Uh, 18 year NFL vet, a man who has played multiple positions, including quarterback holder and tight end in the NFL. People forget. Matt, last night you watched Russell Wilson throw three

picks. The Seattle Seahawks lose to the Arizona Cardinals in a game that we all thought is a game that the Seahawks normally win. And the storyline today could have been the Arizona Cardinals are getting better. They're a good team, but Russell wilson russell wasn't instead some you know luck i think played in there but the cardinals get a big win russell wilson now is being talked about having three picks what happened over there that defense looks like they can't stop a thing you were a member of the seahawks for a long long time what are your thoughts on the current state of affairs going on over there listen always great games between those two teams especially down there people may or may not know this but there's a lot of uh people from seattle who now live in like scottsdale or live in phoenix or whatever so at least it was my experience every time we went

down there the 12s showed up like the fans showed up so there was a small amount of fans at that game last night but from what i could hear on my broadcast sounded like there were a good amount of seahawkks fans there. But those games are always pretty epic battles with really incredible finishes. Last night maybe was one of the greatest I've ever seen. So you talk about maybe a little bit of luck. I thought really the game management, there were a lot of lessons to be learned there. Icing your own kicker was interesting.

Kicking in overtime on second down was interesting. It seemed like both teams had opportunities to win the game. And, you know, we never do this in football. We do this in basketball and hockey and baseball, where you play a seven game series. Like of all the NFL games I've ever seen, I felt like that was a game I would have loved to see like a seven game series of those two teams going at it because i'm still not sure if we know who the better team is arizona clearly won that one but you know there'll be another matchup later on down the road here and uh you know it's anybody's guess but it was highly entertaining matt how i just wonder how tough it is to play like consistent winning football at the quarterback

position like look around kyle murray he looks like he does things that nobody else on the planet can do at times. And other times, hey, he forces some things and doesn't look the same. Like, how tough is it, I guess, week in and week out, to continue to always play at a high level? We see a lot of guys on the roller coaster, it seems like. Yeah, listen, he's playing good football, though. For a young quarterback, I've been incredibly impressed with him. He's a great thrower.

He's not a good thrower. He is a great thrower. The talent that good thrower he is a great thrower the talent that he has in terms of being a passer uh in the nfl i would say he's in the upper half of starting quarterbacks in the nfl as a passer and then you marry that with he's got you know punt returner type speed or elusiveness when he decides to break contain and just be a runner and then the I think the probably the most impressive thing to me is he's not taking hits like he's he runs more than Russell Wilson and he takes less hits than Russell Wilson so I just think that's always been the thing with these running quarterbacks could they have the longevity uh could they have a 10-year career

running like that and I actually think this guy can. He was truly really, really, really impressive last night. And he's got great weapons. He's got a coaching philosophy that matches his skill set. These guys are going to be good for a while. I just don't know if they'll be good enough this year. But they're certainly in the mix. Did you know that Kyler and Russell both used to play baseball? What? Yeah, Pat, mix. Did you know that Kyler and Russell both used to play baseball? What?

Yeah, Pat, I thought you did know that because you would have tuned in to Sunday NFL Countdown. I'll find the footage for you. We went back into the archives. Rex Ryan and I, we found some plays of these guys playing baseball. I went back personally for Russell Wilson. He played second base. Checking him out, like, turning double plays. Some of the disassociation, lower body, upper body.

But also he's with the New York Yankees now. So spring training, he's over there playing second base with the Yankees. There you go, Pat. Get your hip open. Get it closed. There you go. Disassociate. Oh, wow.

Looking good. Looking real good. Is that Yamansky or Tamansky? Yeah, Tom Yamansky. Yamansky. But in all seriousness, you see some guys some guys who struggle throwing the ball off platform or see some guys that if everything's not just perfect for them they look really uncomfortable but i would say the two things the the thing i see with

these two quarterbacks is they look very comfortable in uncomfortable situations with their feet they make it look natural it's like if he spins around and then has to throw it, it's like, yeah, so what? I do that in the middle of infield all the time for the New York Yankees. Not a big deal. Not worried about doing that against Jacksonville or a big D-lineman from Arizona. He does play for the New York Yankees every single year. Maybe if he played

for the New York Yankees, they would have won it this year instead of sitting at home like the rest of us watching the Bubble World Series. Ain't that right, Ty? No, you got drafted by the Rockies. It's a fucking charity case. Oh my god! Hasselbeck, did you hear that? He does not deserve it. I did. Ty's a hater

though. You know that. He's a great football player. I've been to a World Series with Ty. He is a hater. He actually bought me a hat. Thank you very much. That is. I did buy you a hat. Yeah, you did. Where's the hat? Wow.

Astro started cheating, so I had to get rid of it. Well, yeah, they almost made another run at it. Matt, let's – I bought it for you. I thought it was a nice match. He has it still at the house. He just couldn't wear it anymore. The younger quarterback, Kyler, Russell, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar,

I mean, everybody, it feels like very talented athletes playing. It feels like that, by the way, that does not mean that they're not great quarterbacks. They're obviously great quarterbacks, but they're much more athletic than it was, what, five, ten years ago. Is that going to be the future, you think, for the time going forward? It makes the most sense, by the way. If I'm a GM and I'm starting a team right now i'm like okay i want an act i want a quarterback that can his athleticism can extend plays if has to if something breaks down and that's why and i'm asking this question ask you about matt ryan and matt ryan's future because

it feels like okay the quarterback of the future like very near future and if you're a gm you want to build around a guy who can do a litany of things with his feet and his arm. Matt Ryan is owed like $100 million over the next three years. He can't, right? I mean, he can throw the ball. Do you think there will still be a place for pro-style quarterbacks that can't move in the NFL? Or do you think that is kind of a graduating class to welcome in an entirely new set of football? Yeah, it's a graduating class.

There's no doubt about that. Offenses are changing. They're using more of what they do in the college game. class to welcome in an entirely new set of football yeah it's a graduating class there's no doubt about that offenses are changing they're using more what they do in the college game but this is a copycat league pat and go back to who's won the last few super bowls obviously last year was patrick mahomes he's actually an incredible pocket passer he passes consistently from the pocket that's what he's most dangerous uh you know that's what they got to stop number one with him and then think about guys like Tom Brady. Think about even Nick Foles. Think about the guys who won the most recent Super Bowls.

It's not necessarily that dual threat guy. The dual threat guy will get on the top ten plays, and he'll make all the highlights and all that stuff, and that's great. But to have that longevity and have someone that you're building around, there's nothing wrong with a guy who plays the style of say, you know, I would say Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow are two really, really good examples right now of two guys that their teams aren't winning any games. But I think across the league, you would say, Hey, listen, we can build a franchise around those two guys. That's a, that's a chess piece that we can you know we got that on lockdown

now let's go build around it and sometimes when you've got the dual threat guy there's always this fear that that person's going to take too many hits and they're not going to be able to last that's why i think i've just been really impressed with what i've seen out of kyler murray because he's not taking those hits hey what what what is is Joe Burrow doing that he seems like every week, yeah, they're not winning a whole lot of games, but he's giving Cincinnati a ton of hope, and he looks like, yeah, this guy is absolutely our franchise QB. Well, they're throwing the ball all the time.

Like, he's number one in attempts. So it's almost like they're not even, I don't want to say they're not trying to win games this year, because they're trying to win every week. But, like, you know this, AJ, like people set out and they say, okay, our goal this year is to win games this year because they're trying to win every every every week but like you know this aj like people set out and they say okay our goal this year is to win the division and then once we win the division we'll talk about hoisting a lombardi well i don't i mean no offense to the cincinnati bangles but i don't think they're they're really thinking that they're going to win the division i think what they're saying is like hey we need to make sure that we

got it right with the first overall pick and Joe Burrow and we got to see what we have we need him to develop as a quarterback and that's what they're doing so they're throwing the ball more than anybody uh the contrast would be like someone like Baker Mayfield who's I think he's got like the second least amount of attempts in the NFL and yet like he's got his team playing winning football and so people just casually might be like, oh, Baker Mayfield's, like, having just an okay year. And Joe Burrow's having this amazing year. But one guy's team is playing winning football. And the other guy's team is trying to develop a quarterback.

And they'll worry about winning a division some year down the line here. Interesting perspective there. Did not expect that out of you. I'll be intrigued to see if baker mayfield is a cleveland brown quarterback going forward obviously they're gonna have to make those decisions coming up andrew barry great general manager speaking of another unsettling quarterback position and i've asked this a couple times uh today one time to ian rapaport fresh off a suspension by the way from a man escaped ad that he put on his IG story. Can't win with it.

Won't win with it. Roger Goodell said suspend that guy two weeks at least here. I asked him this. That Dallas Cowboys culture locker room seems terrible. I mean, it just last week with the leaks to the media about, oh, this, the coaches don't do this, they don't do that. It's only six weeks into a new regime. Organization didn't win with the last one. Then the Andy Dalton slaughtering that happened by bostick and nobody wanted to fight for him or anything like that is that time for a rebuild down there and i don't know if that

rebuild means mccarthy one and done which is what ian rappaport said i'm talking about in the locker room and if you go in the locker room and you rebuild the locker room and try to get in people that you would want to potentially base your culture around and what your team's going to be like does that include Dak Prescott in your eyes because I think he's a man who potentially made himself more money since the incredibly unlucky gruesome injury watching that team perform without him listen uh first thing I think Dak Prescott's the cow the Cowboys uh quarterback he's the quarterback for the long haul I would be shocked if that ever changed I really think he's the Cowboys quarterback. He's the quarterback for the long haul. I would be shocked if that ever changed. I really think he's the heart and soul of that team.

It's unfortunate that he's injured right now. But, Pat, AJ, you guys know, like, leaders have to emerge in that locker room. Like, the culture has to be set. Like, hey, and sometimes you've got to have those uncomfortable conversations. Sometimes something bad has to happen for you to get embarrassed or called out. And, Pat, I know you're a huge, huge fan of players only meetings, but sometimes they are necessary. And sometimes you got to just take it like a man, say it how it is and like hurt people's feelings and just say, listen,

here's what's acceptable and here's what's not acceptable. And so far right now, you're running out of fingers to count of the things that are unacceptable from the players in Dallas. And it's easy to point fingers and blame the coaches, right? Like they did that for 10 years in a row, it feels like, with Jason Garrett. Like every year it was like, Jason Garrett's the problem, Jason Garrett's the problem. Well, like I don't think Jason Garrett's the problem. But either way, once you fire the coach and the coaching staff, those players can no longer say the coach is the problem. The next person that gets like looked at with scrutiny, the next group of people is going

to be the players. And quite honestly, like the stuff you're talking about would not happen on some other teams that I'm thinking about around the league, some of the better teams. So I just think leaders have to emerge in that locker room in a bigger and better way. AJ, you're also a big players-only meeting guy. Yeah, there's one thing I know that Mike McCarthy is not a huge fan of. It's players-only meetings. If you're having players-only meetings, it's already gone too far. But I think we may have had one or two of them, though. They can be useful if they're not forced upon you.

If the players really truly want to do it, it's fine. But if a coach is peer pressuring the vets to do it, that's when it's terrible. I agree. What do you got to add? Well, listen, even to the point when there's a players-only meeting and then there's leaders in the room

who sit there and slouch in their chair and they're like, when's this stupid meeting going to be over? I got things I want to get off my chest, but I'm not going to say them today. Then it's not an effective players only meeting. Sometimes you got to sink to rock bottom where literally it's so bad that you're not going to sit there, stand by and let stuff happen. You're going to call people out.

I don't care how much money you make. I don't care where you were drafted. I don't care how long you've been here. If you're not living up to the words that you're saying right now like that's bs i'm going to call you on it and so eventually one of those players only meetings is going to be necessary and uh you know but but you got to be all in you can't be one foot in i'll tell you what i've never seen a players only meeting go the way you just talked about, but that would have been awesome to watch. I mean, that would have been incredible to see happen.

What do you got, Ty? Matt, when you look at the Packers, with the way they performed yesterday, do you think their performance against Tampa Bay, you can just write that off as an anomaly? Yeah, listen, like the 72 Dolphins went undefeated. The Patriots almost went undefeated. I think every team, Mike Holmgren, you had a saying, you know, we'd come in sometimes and we'd lose a game like that, which didn't look like ourselves. We had a game plan we thought was good. It wasn't. The other team knew where their weaknesses were. They took chances. He'd come in and say, hey, listen, we played a stinker.

That's what he'd say. He said, we played a stinker. We're not even going to watch the film today. We made a list of 10 corrections we guys want to talk. We're going to talk to you guys about. We'll talk about them. We'll maybe walk through them we're going to hit those 10 plays and then we're moving on we're throwing this one in the trash it's in the rear view oh forget about it and i just think that's what the green bay packers have to do with that tampa game like they might get a chance to play them again uh they played a stinker nobody really played well tampa's defense was outstanding and um it happens sometimes. That's the NFL. Sometimes you've got to bury the ball, Matt.

Sometimes you've got to bury the ball. Move on. Last question here before we let you go. Can't thank you enough for joining us. I know you're down in Nashville. Hope you have a great time down there. Stay away from the COVID. Tonight, Bears and Rams on ESPN Monday Night Football.

How do you see this one going? The Bears are getting six points as a 5-1 team on the road tonight. A lot of people are eye-opening about that, probably being close game tonight, hammering the Bears. How do you feel like this is going to go? Yeah, these are two tough teams because it's like Jekyll and Hyde. You never really know who's showing up. And then Nick Foles has this intangible that you're not sure of.

We pick game picks on our Sundayay nfl countdown show all the time and like every time nick foals is playing it just like throws me for a loop because i'm like man like this this is the same guy that threw seven touchdowns in a game and set an nfl record but then there's other times i'm like man that was almost a sack fumble so you know i would just say this about um about the rams defense they don't line. They don't try to trick you. They line up. It's cover one, cover three or quarters. It's pretty much what they do.

And they just say, our athletes are better than yours. We've got a better D-line. We've got better secondary. We've got better linebackers. We're just going to go play ball. So I think it's an advantage for the offensive coaching staff scheme-wise. But I guess the question you've got to ask yourself is, that scheme can you can you block up aaron donald in that scheme because you can drop all the fancy pass plays in the world but if you're on your back it doesn't matter so i didn't give you an answer but this is

yeah by the way i'm struggling with this one as well and i'm very hot right now gambling i don't know who to pick because just like you said i don don't know which team's going to show up. Well, I'll just say this with the NFC, you're looking at the playoff picture. Like some of these teams got to emerge, right? Because there's too many teams that are right in the thick of it.

And then the NFC East, which is like, you know, they get a playoff. You know, I said this on the show, this is like being the valedictorian, a summer valedictorian of summer school.

Like there, somebody's getting in. Like, they're in first place. It's like, that shouldn't count, but it does count. You know what I'm saying? So now, like, one of these teams like San Francisco or Detroit or Chicago or the Rams or Arizona, they could get bounced from this playoff picture for someone like Philly or Dallas or the football team.

I mean, it's just a wild year, man. Oh, you don't like that Ron Rivera finished up his chemo treatment today? Whoa. What the hell? Is that what you just said right there? That's wild. Listen, he might be hosting a playoff game. The Washington football team might be hosting a playoff game.

And teams like Detroit or San Fran or Arizona or Chicago, like some other team won't be. How do you feel about that? Well, I'm happy that Ron Rivera got through his battle with leukemia. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us. You don't deserve to go out like that, but we have to. But we love Ron Rivera. We love Ron Rivera.

We do, for sure. A lot of respect. We do, for sure, including that guy right over there. Just want to make sure. All right, ladies and gentlemen, 18-year NFL pro. You can hear him on NFL Sunday Countdown. Thank you so much for joining us, Matt. You're the best. Matt Hasselbeck.

Hey! To talk to us, a man who wasn't allowed to talk for two weeks, a man who came back on the scene in a massive fashion, taking time out of his day to chat with us right now from the NFL Network Insider, ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. What's up, guys? How you doing? Hey, welcome back, man. Welcome back. Welcome back. We missed you so much.

Come on, Rapsy. I missed it too, guys. I didn't say I missed you guys,. Come on, Rav. What a bad baby. I missed it too, guys. I didn't say I missed you guys, but I missed everything. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, we understand. We get that a lot. Was there a couple times during your suspension, and I don't want to just talk about that because there's a lot of football news that you know and want to talk about and we would like to

hear from you because you are the authority on a lot of information. Was there any news that you thought you could have broke while you were down there? Did they just stop texting you? Did you have to turn your phone off? How did that work? I didn't have to turn my phone off. I mean, yeah, there were definitely some things I would have had a very good shot at breaking, I feel like.

I mean, but what happened is, you know, because it was so public that I was suspended, But what happened is, you know, because it was so public that I was suspended, everybody knew. And I actually got very few texts with like, hey, here's this piece of news. You know, usually throughout a week, there's like a whole bunch of, hey, here's this little thing. Or have you heard this? Or I didn't get a lot of that, I think probably because everyone knew what my situation was. So then, you know, after two weeks, it was basically like the phone got turned back on.

And then, as you mentioned, there was a little bit of a flurry when I became active again. Yeah. By God, that's Ian Rappaport's music. Yeah. I mean, we saw it. We heard it, the whole thing. Did you think that you were potentially dead

when everybody stopped texting you? Or did you know, like, okay, no, I know the game they they're not they're not holding us out for whatever reason um no i mean i heard from an unbelievable amount of people like i cannot believe how many people is even some i haven't heard from in a while who texted me so like the phone worked because i like i cannot even overstate how many people reached out for various reasons. But it was just not like, hey, here's this piece of news. It was more like, how's it going? Or like, you know, a couple of jokes here and there.

Everyone had some fun with it. I did not, but they all did. That was basically my life for two weeks. Well, if you trim the bushes, the tree stands taller. That was basically my life for two weeks. Well, if you trim the bushes, the tree stands taller, Rappaport. And sometimes you got to do that. And I'm very, very thankful that you are back in this thing.

Let's talk about it. This morning, Josina Anderson said she got a text from Odell Beckham. She says Odell Beckham told her torn ACL he's out for the season. What is the thought now with this, with the Cleveland Browns? I assume there's going to be a lot of banter surrounding him potentially being on the trade blocker not being a cleveland brown next year uh you would be right about that yeah i mean it is a torn acl and actually last night well actually really after the game everyone kind of knew what this was i mean the confirmation came in the mri but talking to people yesterday like they all knew it was really bad so i didn't you know usually when a player's injured and there's an MRI, it's like, oh, wait for the MRI.

It wasn't like that yesterday. It was like, bad news. I guess maybe we'll get some good luck, but this is going to be terrible. Everybody knew. So I think it seems like Cleveland kind of came to grips with this yesterday. A couple interesting things, though. One, how well the team played after he was gone. Like, Baker looked good, you know, and I know Odell is great.

He has a great talent. But I don't know if Baker is better when Odell is out there, but he sometimes looks better. So that was kind of an interesting part of it. It's going to be fascinating to follow going forward. And then, you know, you mentioned the possible trade stuff. He's injured now. He's going to be fascinating to follow going forward and then you know you mentioned the possible trade stuff he's injured now he's going to be injured for nine months so his injury guarantee for 2021 is going to end up becoming fully guaranteed so they cannot cut him so basically the only option if they do end up wanting to move on from him is to trade him when he gets

healthy when he could prove to teams he's healthy, which would probably be in like July or August if a trade happened. So the injury very, very much complicates his future in general and then in Cleveland. Well, I hope they figure it out. I think OBJ is at a point in his life where all he wants to do is win games. And aside from Odell, there was a lot of other wide receivers that were allegedly on the trade block last week. Well, I think you were still in hibernation hibernation no no i think it came out but uh

there's aj green allegedly julio jones you're talking about a lot of big name marquee names that are potentially on the trade block at a position that a lot of teams would desire having is there any big moves that are going to happen or is this all just smoke and talk that people you know kind of like five six years ago it felt like the trading in the nfl was a lot of talk and then nothing then all of a sudden it started picking up a little bit more like the nba are you feeling like there's going to be massive amounts of moves this year i think there's going to be some it's it's so hard to really do anything now with covid. I mean, the trade deadline's next Tuesday, but if you trade for someone next Tuesday, he actually can't play until the following week.

So it actually kind of devalues whoever you trade for. If you want to trade for someone and have him play in two weeks, you have to trade him Thursday, this Thursday. So it's all very strange and very, very complicated, but Julio Jones, not getting traded. I was told A.J. Green, almost certainly not getting traded. You know, those kinds of guys almost never get traded. Michael Thomas, I have not heard he's going to be traded at all. Things are not great there, but I have not heard he's going to be traded. I think it would be more a guy like Kenny Stills would be an interesting potential possibility texans are not

good he's still pretty good he's versatile he's a good guy not doesn't cost a ton i could see a guy like that being traded rather than say an aj green or julio jones okay so let's talk about julio jones down there in atlanta real quick uh obviously fired gm fired head coach matt ryan is owed a hundred million dollars over the next couple years i believe next year's dead cap or salary cap is like 45 to 49 million dollars or something like that so is arthur blank has come out and said um that you know i'll let the gm make the decision on what he wants to do with matt ryan and everything like that he's not gonna be able to move matt ryan he has to hire somebody that's going to want Matt Ryan, right? Because that contract is impossible to get out of town.

Yeah. I mean, it is right now, but let's say you, I don't know. Let's say the Falcons don't look horrendously terrible. So let's say they finish with four wins. They're probably picking seven or eight. So they will have the choice of picking maybe the third best quarterback, say second third probably third and what could happen is matt ryan could and this is crazy to say because he's a

franchise guy but matt ryan could become ryan fitzpatrick you start for a year or you start for two years and then you pave the way for the rookie matt ryan's much easier to be traded in 2022 than he is in the 2021 offseason so to me he's almost certainly going to be their starting quarterback next year it's just a matter of you know does he kind of pave the way for some rookie uh and start and kind of keep the seat warm feels like uh you just got a text maybe from arthur blankank there telling you exactly what happened here. Last question before I assume you have to go here. The Dallas Cowboys. Okay, Dallas Cowboys.

I changed the angle of my computer, so now having to look at my phone in different places is all very disoriented. But go ahead. Well, that's what happens when you go on a two-week hiatus. You know what I mean? The phone dies. You get rusty. You don't even know. You can't get away from it.

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Nose and ear hair trimmer. I mean, it is next level. Love it. All right. So, Ian. We were talking to Ian Rappaport. He agrees. The Ian. You have anything to say about it? We were talking to Ian Rappaport. He agrees. The Dallas Cowboys.

All right. Your Tom Pellisaro, your friend Tom Pellisaro, said that, no, that was actually the, fuck, that was the Dolphins. Never mind. But the Dallas Cowboys. Information's leaking out of the locker room. Okay. Coaches aren't working hard.

Coaches don't know how to teach, blah, blah, blah. And if you're an ex-player or an ex-coach, your immediate thought is like, well, that seems like a bad locker room. The people six games into a new regime, new schedule, new everything, is leaking information to the media to try to drive a wedge between the players and the coaches.

Then, yesterday, Andy Dalton gets slaughtered, right? Big late shot by Bostic. He gets ejected. Nobody fights Bostic. It feels like the Dallas Cowboys and you probably know a lot more you definitely know a lot more than I do that place might be ripe for an entire rebuild huh I mean legit if the locker room now granted who knows how the rest of this year will go if it's anything like yesterday not good but that feels like a locker room a culture that needs a complete rebuild am I wrong and thinking that as an outsider?

And is that what they're going to do? And if they do that, that's not great for Dak Prescott. He'll make money somewhere else, but maybe not in Dallas. First of all, hard to imagine him giving up on a franchise quarterback as good as he is. So I don't see Dak going. I really don't see Dak going anywhere. Even if, let's say, for the sake of argument, McCarthy is one and done.

What new coach wouldn't want Dak Prescott? So that's the first thing. The other thing is, you know, I kind of go back and forth on the players speaking out thing, because on one hand, it's not great to talk to kind of leak that stuff out to the media, even though I am media. On the other hand, maybe it's just a bunch of players who want

to be coached well. There's also that part of it, don't buy it no those guys should go to the coach then the nfl was very much like a professional thing like you just you should say like hey we got to figure this out respect the coaches yeah oh no i'm just saying like it's obviously not going well. And I'll tell you what, kind of like you said, I had a major problem. I had a major problem with them not picking up Andy Dalton, not kind of fighting. Can I get this call? Would you be annoyed if I got this call?

No, no. How long will it be? Will it be quick? Hold on. Give me two minutes. I just – On caller ID. Oh oh no who are they trading where we'll follow everybody else i guess instead of rap magic to the boys oh my god so you

don't think that they're going to move on from dac and rebuild the entire culture down there uh no i don't think they're going to move on from Dak at all. I mean, to me, that's who you would start with if you were trying to rebuild things. But, I mean, the prospect of one and done for McCarthy I would have thought was crazy. I don't think it's likely, but I don't think it's crazy either, just based on everything that's gone on down there. Hold on. Is this a little bit of a – a little bit of a – a little wrap-up? I don't think so.

I mean, everything's on the table to me i mean i'm not saying it's likely but it's it's looked really bad i mean it is it has looked really bad there and i don't think that's that's not stepping out of line i mean anyone who watched it can see like it should be say whatever you want about jason garrett and they were all they were not perfect and sometimes they were mediocre um he did a pretty good job holding that thing together yeah i'd say so uh last question before we let you go any other big they were not perfect and sometimes they were mediocre um he did a pretty good job holding that thing together yeah i'd say so uh last question before we let you go any other big news we should keep an eye out because it seems like whenever you come on our show you break news

like a minute and a half after you get off um if i can figure out who called me um then i will definitely hopefully break some news i'll let you know all right thank you that's very nice ladies and gentlemen follow at you. Ladies and gentlemen, follow at Rap Sheet. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport. Yeah! Ian Rappaport! We fucking blew that for him. Yeah. He's got no shot of getting any of that information. That information has been spread to seven other insiders before he could even say goodbye

right there. That could have been McCarthy out in Dallas. Wow. Very much. By the way, is he just saying it? No. No. Out in Dallas.

Wow. Very much. By the way, is he just saying it? No. He's heard from somebody somewhere that there's a chance that that potentially over down there. Rumors are swirling. Where's Mike McCarthy go? He goes right back to that basement up there in Wisconsin.

Right back to the barn. What did he get? $90 million or something? I forget how much the Dallas Cowboys said they were going to pay him. He just came down for a year, didn't call any plays, didn't do any teaching or coaching. He actually said he overcoached. He partied with Jerry Jones. And then he gets, what, $50 million and then just goes back? Mike McCarthy might be the greatest fucking businessman of all time,

this guy. Because to your point, he did cut his own highlight, or to Gumpy's point, he did cut his own highlight reel resume that Tom Pellisaro put out. Propaganda. Oh, my God. That's what it feels like. Hey, that's fucking Pittsburgh Mike down there.

Alright, Pittsburgh Mike. In his defense, the defense had another great week of practice this week. So, I mean, take it for what it's worth. Did he say that? Well, they only gave up like 22 points, right? That's good for them. Pretty damn good.

Week 7 of the NFL season is wrapping up this evening with the Bears at the Los Angeles Rams. To join us now to give us some prop bet locks in conversation about the weekend, ladies and gentlemen, nine-year NFL vet, host of the Man to Man podcast, Darius Butler. What's happening? Patriots are dead, dude.

Not so fast. Not so fast. Not so fast. At Darius Butler. I haven't cut him out yet. Darius Butler was drafted to the New England Patriots in the second round coming out of UConn, prestigious football school UConn. He goes up there.

He's a corner stud, freak athlete. Got a chance to play and understand the Patriot way. You say not so fast of them being absolutely dead. I mean that offense looks completely lost out there. Jimmy G and the 49ers were doing their thing on the offensive side as if the defense wasn't

even out on the field. You don't think they're dead at all. Patriots fans think the Patriots are dead. It's way too early to count out Bill and Cam, man. They got plenty of time to figure it out. I think they will. They always do. I can't count them out yet, man.

Same friend. They got a good football team. Kyle Shanahan's no slouch when it comes to calling plays. They got some playmakers on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively. They're coming off a Super Bowl appearance. A very good team. Cam looked bad, though. He looked bad.

He knows he looked bad, and it's only up from here, and I definitely think those guys figure it out. You think COVID got him? Did you see how happy he was before the COVID? I mean, he was like the happiest guy. He's back to being the guy. What are you looking at? Connor has some stats pre and post COVID.

Oh, shit. Before COVID, 62 for 91, 714 yards, two passing touchdowns, four rushing touchdowns. After COVID, 26 of 40, 255 yards, zero touchdowns, five picks, one rushing touchdown. COVID's got him. It took the joy not only out of the world, but out of Cam Newton, it seems like. You can't take the joy out of Cam Newton.

They did it. It's getting hard. COVID did it. We go to week eight right now, man. Halfway point. I can't count them out. I can't count my dog out yet, man. Too much time left.

If you're going to figure it out. Have a 400-yard game next week, and we'll be all forgotten about this, Connor. Trust me, man. That doesn't seem likely. Nope. That does not seem likely. I'll get some bills he might. In Buffalo. Playing the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo. Maybe they'll be able to get back on track, but

boy, two and four is a wild world for these Patriots fans. It is wild. Let's go around the NFL a little bit. Let's talk about Buda Baker. Buda Baker, I believe, was a guest on the Man to Man podcast. Last night, I think he died on the football field after one big hit. They took him into the 10 or whatever. He aced the test somehow, gets the helmet back, makes seven straight plays.

Aced it quick. Very quick. Got his helmet back. He's back, makes seven straight plays. Aced it quick. Very quick. Got his helmet back. He's back, makes seven straight plays after this. This guy might be the most electrifying defensive player in all of the NFL right now playing safety. You have to absolutely love that guy. Man, he is unbelievable.

And to be a smaller guy, he plays like he's 6'4", 250, flies around, and he's in on every tackle it seems, pressuring the quarterback. And to be the highest paid safety, you know, coming into this season with zero career interceptions coming into this season lets you know kind of what he's doing. So, you know, before his appearance on the Man to Man pod, zero career interceptions.

Since his appearance, here's some stats for you, Connor. Two interceptions. Oh! So, I won't say me and A me and AB had anything to do with that, but I think he'll tell you that. But no, man, he's been balling. Man, he's a baller. I played with DK to run him down on Saturday at touchdown.

Wow. That's tough. He's unbelievable. That's tough. He plays, and I guess every safety that flies around and is in places he's not supposed to be will automatically be compared to Troy Polamalu. But it felt like that watching him last night.

This guy is just showing up in places he's not supposed to be. He has that big hit on the side. I forget who it was against. He's dead on the ground. Then he picks his body back up or whatever. And they had to whistle down. They're like, get him off. That guy needs to be checked or whatever.

Yeah, I thought it was done. Done. I thought it was over. They're like, get him off. That guy needs to be checked or whatever. Yeah, I thought it was done. Done. I thought it was over. I'm like, oh, no. I bet the cards plus three and a half. That guy's making every single play. He's done. Somehow, by the way, whatever it was,

maybe his body just relaxed whenever he went down to the ground somehow. Maybe it was a shoulder. Stinger. Stinger. That hits the legs. Maybe. You never know. But the – I don't think so dude his

legs were just like flopping over there but then he puts the helmet back on he got a sack i think the next play then he had like a pass breakup on the other play and then maybe an inner like he was just everywhere at once do or do they have a defensive system where it's like hey uh whatever you're feeling man just go over and do whatever the fuck you got to do yeah Yeah, I mean, they got a system, but he's one of those guys, and just being able to talk to him, and Antoine knows it better than I do, being able to talk to him, you can just tell how much he cares about the game, how much he invests in the game, and when he prepares. And so when he gets out in that snap, before the snap,

he knows pretty much, okay, you're giving me one, two, or three plays, and more times than not, he's going to be there. Even plays that he's not supposed to be involved in, he finds a way to hustle, you know, every play he's out there and get in on every play. So when you have guys like that setting the tone, one of your better players, your highest paid player in his position, and he's still running around playing like that,

especially after losing a guy like Chandler Jones on that defense, that's what that team and that defense is going to need, and Baker's been providing that and more. That defense has a lot of athletes out there. Isaiah Simmons gets his first pick. Nobody knew what he was going to do. He looks like they've bulked him up a little bit, it feels like. That's like his first appearance that we've really seen of him.

If he can get it going somehow and have this interception kind of break whatever curse was potentially on him for not making a lot of plays, that'd be awesome. That Arizona team looks damn good. Let's move around now to a team that looks very, very bad at football. Dallas Cowboys, you and I talked about it. The leaking to the media six weeks in, like that's not a good locker room. That is not what's supposed to happen.

Then Andy Dalton dies, okay? You played in the NFL nine years. Andy Dalton dies on the field. His guys don't even help him up they don't go after bostic at all and there's a lot of noise being talked about this but i think it's because it's so important like that is a massive ordeal that not a single person went after anybody after dalton just died that would at least cause some sort of scuffle even if it's like broken up no punches are thrown yeah There would be some sort of something happen.

Are the Cowboys dead, you think, from a culture perspective? I mean, coming into the week, like you said, we had the leaks and the things coming out of the building. And then for that, I mean, it's kind of been blown up. But that's a big deal. It's a big deal, especially as players been in that locker room. Because there are unwritten rules and unspoken rules in kind of all sports. You see it in baseball. You see it in different sports. But unspoken rules and kind of all sports you see it in baseball you see it in different sports but in football that's kind of

like a spoken rule like you'll almost get in trouble if somebody doesn't get um a flag or doesn't get uh you know doesn't get pulled to the side for that that should be an immediate scuffle that's your quarterback that's your leader that's the guy you're supposed to be protecting um and somebody you know some guys are saying those are backups. They're just kind of worried about their jobs. But, I mean, that's everybody. That's very indicative of what that team is and where they are right now mentally, physically. They've kind of tapped out, it looks like. But it's a long season.

Cowboys Nation, they are fired up right now. And I feel like they should be used to this shit by now. Well, I agree. But this is worse than even before uh Ian Rappaport just came on the show and basically said Mike McCarthy could potentially be fired he's out of the manscape cave huh yeah he came out of the manscape cave and we by the way cut a manscape promo in the middle of the conversation with him was pretty cool I enjoyed that a lot put him in a very awkward position obviously which he doesn't deserve but he handled it properly he said that there's a rumor that mccarthy one and done gonna

be fucking out of there i'm like really this is mccarthy's fault all of a sudden maybe it is maybe maybe the players were right last week i mean it's got to somebody's got to take the fall it's gonna it's gonna come down he's gonna be the fall guy um i think i don't think he's gonna be out of there signed a five-year deal i think And I actually asked yesterday during the game, like, man, how long of a deal did this dude sign? Because look at a team like that, you will have to think like, you know, they got to make some some real changes there. But I mean, you got to empower whoever is going to be in that position, whoever is going to be in that head coach position. They got to have some power over that team. You know, you got Steven Jones and Jerry Jones. They, you know, they are doing press conferences after games

and talking about teams. And some people feel different ways about what owner's role should be. But, you know, owner, you're the owner. So he's either going to have to take that step back and say, hey, I got to bring somebody in who can really run this show. Kind of how Chris Ballard has been doing in Indy, you know, something like that. But, you know, because he kind of turned that thing around, building the culture kind of how uh chris ballard's been doing an indie you know something like that but uh you

know because he kind of turned that thing around building the culture kind of from the ground up but uh somebody's got to do something because it's ugly right now i agree chris ballard is quite a mason with what he did with the bricks at the bottom of that thing and i don't think yeah anybody who wasn't in the building would understand that you know like, like, I think if you were not in the building, I don't think you have any idea what all had to be completely. I mean, it was a very different place. It became a very different place after the Peyton run, and then it became a very different place.

And then Chris Bowers was able to build that back. Hopefully they're winning games. They had a bye week. Phil Rivers' arm's coming back stronger than ever. Oh, wow. Stronger than ever. Tonight, Bears at the Rams. D-Butt, what are your thoughts?

How do you think this is going to go? The Bears are 5-1, but they're getting six against this Los Angeles Rams team that's been kind of hit or miss. How do you see this night going? It should be a good one. Both teams are playing well. Rams, they got roughed up last week against the San Fran 49ers. But 49ers, they attack you with those guys with the yak, like Debo, Kittle.

Those guys get the ball in their hand. They make plays after they have the balls in their hands. The Bears don't have those type of weapons, so I don't think they'll be able to put up passing yards like that against them. So I'm going to hit that under on foes real quick. But I think the Rams win the game, but Bears cover. Bears, they don't cover this sixth part. I think that's too much.

It'll be closer than that. Okay, so you think it's going to be a very close game. Rams win. Close game. Rams win, Bears cover. That would be, by the way, if you do that again, that should become, like, that's a very profitable bet to be making, those two bets, by the way. You become like a very, now granted, nobody in media is hotter than I am,

but what I'm saying with you is the way you did that last week, we had the same conversation. I think we had one team win, the other team – The Eagles. Yeah, we did. Made a lot of money. By the way, I don't know if you put a bet in, but I did. We made a lot of money together with that one.

I like that you're doing it. My state won't allow it. What's that all about down there? You would think that that's – and you know what it is. It's probably the casinos, by the way. You guys have a lot of casinos down there, don't you? True, yeah. In Seminole, we got a couple of hard rocks down here.

So what happens is the casinos, now I haven't been privy to any of these conversations, but it seems like the states that have a lot of casinos have been very slow in the mobile sportsbook app. It seems there's a potential chance that those casinos might have some influence in uh in the government leverage might potentially we gotta figure that out man we gotta get florida on the map we gotta be doing that you guys do have the green cards down there though you guys have the uh green cards that you have to uh renew at what every five years uh every two i believe yeah it just so happened

to be just so happened to be the week that we were together down there he didn't have his card it had expired and then the day we leave his card brand new fresh he's on instagram you had to get ready for a fight man you were oh yeah yeah yeah perfect timing yeah unbelievable all right let's go back to the Foles thing. When you see Nick Foles, what do you think of? Like, as a DB who played in the NFL a long time, they made the switch from Mitch to Nick while Mitch was still undefeated. Now, granted, all quarterbacks say, well, he got a quick pull and all that.

When you watch Nick Foles play the football, what is your thoughts as a DB? Like, oh, this guy stinks. He's a game manager. He can't really do a lot of things. What are your thoughts as a db like oh this guy stinks he's a game manager he can't really do a lot of things what are your thoughts on nick foals he's it's crazy man because he's he plays so good in that relief role that backup role but he's just not he's i don't see him as an ace you know he's not the guy to start a picture that would run out and be like i i'm i'm fearful

this guy can come out here and beat us um now he's a quarterback that won't go out there and lose the game for you. But I don't feel like – I feel good as a defense saying, okay, we've got to put Nick Foles in a situation where he's got to beat us. And, you know, that's kind of where they are now. They're 5-1 as a football team. And I think that says a lot to that Bears as a whole team, especially that defense, what they're doing on that side of the ball.

But he doesn't put fear in my heart as a DB. Good player. The more reps he gets in this system with Nagy, he's still young as far as working with Nagy. So we'll see if he gets better. But just not very accurate, throws down the field all the time. He throws a good deep ball. But outside of that, I don't see him picking defenses apart on all three levels. So you think he stinks a lot?

He stinks. Come on. Just say it. Come on. I wouldn't say he stinks. He's a very, very, very good backup quarterback. You said he stinks. Just say it.

No. He's good. You said he stinks. He's good, though. So he's a good quarterback. He deserved a handshake. I'll tell you that. Ooh. Hey, a lot of drama behind Tom Brady not going to shake old Nick Foles' hand

after Nick Foles and the Bears get to dub over the Buccaneers. Since that, Tom Brady has gone and shook everybody's hand. But, Nick, who knows what the story is behind there. Let's go to Tom Brady down there with the Buccaneers. They seem to have it figured out down there. Gronkowski's all the way back. They're adding a B into the mix. That defense with Todd Bowles is humming.

They made Aaron Rodgers have a bad game. Aaron even said it. Now Aaron obviously just picked apart the Texans. We'll talk to him tomorrow. It was a slice and dice fucking clinic just days after people told Aaron Rodgers that his offense had been figured out or whatever. I mean, can't wait for that convo tomorrow. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, though, Darius, it feels like they got it figured out down there.

Man, they are, they are hitting a stride. They're playing good football. Like you said, in all three phases, Brady is looking young again. He's hitting all his weapons.

He's got Scotty Miller making plays. Gronk is back. Who is? Still got Evans, Godwin. And now you add A.B. into that fold,

man. It's, I mean, it's scary. It's scary. And if they can keep him protected, O-line's been playing well, they keep him protected, and then Bowles keeps that defense humming. They got the best, by far the best combo at the linebacker position.

Like Devin White, Levante David, like it's unbelievable watching those dudes play football. Young guys on the back end, they're growing every week, so on. That team's right now, I mean, they got to be first, you know, first in that NFC. Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers. Got to be. What, they have one bad game?

Hey, guess what? We'll see him again. We'll see him again at some point. Definitely see him again. Okay. You got them. I still got the Seahawks up there. You know, they take an L last night, but Seahaw Seahawks, Packers, and the Bucs.

It did not feel like Russ threw three picks, by the way. On the defensive side of the ball, you probably, that's what you see. Well, the guy's got three turnovers or whatever on Russ. Like, that's a big deal. But as I saw, like, the one to Patrick Peterson where he toe-tapped, I'm like, that was a very dumb play by Russ. But the way he played last night, like the three interceptions is probably going to be a story for a lot of people. He's unbelievable. Russell Wilson is unbelievable to watch.

That ball, is it that different, the ball that he throws coming down from the clouds from everybody else? Because they're making it sound like it's almost indefensible at this point with the way, the arc that he puts on that thing. It's very different. The reason why, so most quarterbacks and reggie wayne kind of taught me this later in my career but most dbs like we look we look back for the ball so when we look back and depending on the trajectory you know obviously you got to find the ball to make a play on it but russell like receivers typically look up for the ball so with him kind of dropping it down the way he does, it's much harder on the DB to make that play than it is for his wideouts

who are used to tracking that ball, you know, every day in practice, every day in pack and go before the game. And now it's a different ball that you see. Nick Foles kind of throws a similar deep ball, but Russell, like the accuracy, even the one he threw to Tyler Lockett, it was kind of much closer to the end zone, like a cross around. He just lofted up there and he like Just that play, that's an unbelievable play. That's not a ball that you see every week as a DB. It's much, much

tougher. As accurate as he is with it, it obviously makes it even better. DB, going off that, do you think the Seahawks fans should be worried then because Russell's going to have to basically do everything for them to make a run to the Super Bowl. Yeah, you have them up above the Packers. Is that what you just said? No, no, no. I didn't say that. They're in the top three up there. Those three quarterbacks, I mean, you could pick either one. But out of the three, Russell has, I would say, the worst defense because he does have a pass rush.

You know, if you don't have a pass rush up front, that puts so much more pressure on the rest of the guys. And I don't care how talented you are. If a quarterback has the opportunity to go from progression one, two, three, on, you know, 80% of his dropbacks, you know, you're going to be in trouble as a defense. I don't care how good you are. So until they fix that pass rush,

which it's not a bunch of pass rushers just sitting at home right now. So until they fix that, it would be tough as a fan, as a better to say, hey, they could go out and win a Super Bowl with that defense giving up that type of points

because Russell Wilson is unbelievable, but even he's going to make mistakes. And now when you've got quarterback like a Kyler or like all these other guys, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, can go out and put up those similar numbers.

The defense is going to make the difference. D, but it's assumed tonight that Jalen Ramsey will be shadowing Allen Robinson. How do you think that's going to go? And also, does either of them have an advantage because they played on the same team in Jacksonville or no? That's a good question. I think it's going to be a good matchup to watch. Number one, very good matchup,

especially since Jalen has been playing inside, too. So now in the man-to-man situation, a lot of guys that follow, they'll follow, they'll go to the side of the ball, but if the guys line up in the slot, they'll just stay on the outside. But Jalen should be shadowing him all over. That'll be good to watch. I think Jalen will have the edge just because I feel like Jalen is a better player and I don't feel like Allen Robinson's quarterback is that great.

Oh. Oh. Come on, dude. What do you want? Just say he stinks, dude. Let's go. Just say he stinks, dude. What did Nick do to you?

Absolutely nothing. Actually, I bet on the Patriots when he beat him. But outside of that, I like Nick Foles, man. I actually thought the Eagles should have kept him over Wentz a couple years ago, but I give Jalen the edge in that matchup for sure. Stinks of football. You think he stinks? So what does that mean about Carson Wentz, then?

He just buried Carson Wentz as well. Interesting strategy. Just come on the show and bury everybody. That's awesome. I like that. I like Carson, too, man. Good player. Good player. Like in backyard football, you're saying. If you were to play like Carson, man. I like Carson, too, man. Good player. Good player. Like in backyard football, you're saying. If you were to play backyard football,

he would be better than everybody else that played football at backyard football. He's very talented. He's just got to do the little things right, play in and play out. But he can't depend on superstar talent every play. At quarterback, you've got to do stupid, simple things over and over again correctly, and then you find your chances to make the big plays.

And I don't think Carson does a good enough job at doing that. But at the same time, his weapons around him have been destroyed. His O-line has been banged up. His receiver has been banged up. So he has been working with the best group of talent. But I still think he's a very good player. Yeah, I'll leave it at that. Last question.

You said he stinks. Last question. See, I knew it was coming. Last question here before we have to get to a break, and we appreciate you joining us. Host of the Man to Man podcast, Darius Butler, nine years in the NFL and a secondary, Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Okay, the only undefeated team left in the NFL. They already had their bye week, obviously because of the Tennessee Titans COVID outbreak that happened just a few weeks ago that defense i've watched it every single week now it's it's one it's one of the most entertaining things to watch in football is their defense the way it plays and then you account for ben roethlisberger in that offense they have weapons now this year it feels like the actual weapons numerous people that can get it that team might be the most complete team that not a lot of people are talking about strictly because of what happened last year where they kind of fell off the radar

after they lost their quarterback. Ben Roethlisberger is all the way back. That defense is all the way back. In the AFC, the Steelers could be a real fucking problem for a lot of people. They're right up there. They're right up there at the top. You obviously can't count out Big Ben. Good player, been around for a long, long time.

Threw some bad turnovers yesterday, but like you said, got a ton of weapons around him. Claypool, Juju, Ray-Ray, McLeod, this guy, Deontay Johnson, just a lot of weapons around him, and that defense is playing lights out. They got some injuries at linebacker that they're going to have to

overcome, but I think they can. Keith Butler's been doing a great job with that group on the defensive side of the ball all year. And they are right. I mean, it would be one or two up on that AFC side. And I think they're opening up at like five-point underdogs against the Ravens this week, which is kind of crazy to me. I think it's a little disrespectful.

It might take the Steelers in that one. I agree. Anytime the Steelers are getting points, I think we hammer them until they prove that they can't win every single time because a lot of people are saying they didn't play anybody they haven't played anybody blah blah blah blah blah then they do what they did to the Titans and aside from a couple resurgences there by the Titans and obviously a missed kick by Gostkowski the Steelers I mean they look damn dominant in that game for a large part of it now granted the Titans on the other side look very dominant in the third and the fourth as well.

So I think the Steelers are a team that's going to continue to go. But early bye, we could bite them in the ass later in the day. D-Butt, appreciate you so much for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, appreciate you. D-Butt. Joining us for this hour is a man who is a national champion in college football and a Super Bowl champion of the NFL from the Green Bay Packers and the University of – no, the Ohio State University. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron James-Hawke.

What's happening? You guys are excited that people in Ohio State football has officially arrived now that the Big Ten is playing football. This weekend was awesome seeing Big Ten football. I'm going to be – listen, I understand that the SEC, it is different down there. I'm going to be 100% real. I went to a game down there. I went to the SEC championship.

I've gotten a chance to kind of get baptized by the SEC folks down there. It is real down there, okay? Like I will not ever disrespect the sec visions of college football versus everybody else any differently but ohio damn near the same exact way whenever it comes to college football ohio state's the biggest team in ohio by far doesn't matter how many browns fans there are how many bangladesh fans they are on saturdays they're pulling for the buckeyes okay that is what it's like in ohio but this weekend watching big football, it's just having a Big Ten game to be able to flip back and forth to

is awesome. It is beautiful. And Justin Fields, 20 pounds lighter, looks like he hasn't missed a single step off last year. He was slicing and dicing, AJ. Yeah, he's slinging the ball. But thinking of what's most recent on my mind is that Sunday night game last night that went

late into the night. I wasn't expecting it to end like it did. It was a nice surprise, actually, to watch the whole second half. How about the Arizona Cardinals? In a couple different moments, they could have bowed down, kind of like relaxing. Seattle Seahawks get the win, and the conversation would be, Cardinals played good.

Seattle Seahawks just show that they're the elite class of the NFC still and of the NFC West, blah, blah, blah. Cardinals are on their way, though. That could have been the entire conversation is like, you know, the Cardinals show that they got fight, they got grit, they'll be able to do it, and they answered. They made mistakes, and they answered. Kyler Murray answered.

There's that one shot zoomed in on his face where he sees DeAndre Hopkins in one-on-one single coverage in his step and he starts laughing while he's holding the football and it's obviously a touchdown. Now that play was incredibly awesome. I mean there's a lot of trickery. Everybody's looking to decide as if they were going to make a play call change. They snap the ball while that's happening. Seahawks are kind of on their heels. DeAndre Hopkins exactly what they thought was going to happen. He might be able to get a step on him he laughs while throwing the ball they answer they answer they answer and in the post-game press conference Kyler Murray gave all the answers that you would want from a guy and I heard from numerous players last night they were like the thing that isn't talked about enough is Kyler Murray's competitiveness and the amount

of command he has for people to be great that cardinals team looks like an incredible team to be a part of and a fan of right now what a game last night you're 100 right well don't you remember when calvin murray was coming out like when uh before the draft and everything he went on dan patrick had a weird interview he just seemed like a quiet kid and people are thinking hey is this the is this the guy you want leading your franchise like does he have the the command can he walk into a huddle and command all these guys and i think last night if anyone did have any questions if he could be that guy i think he squashed him completely because that's a game that seattle wins like it seems like nine out of ten times you're watching that game like okay all right arizona congrats you guys are doing well you're hanging in there but this is a game that seattle is going to win and arizona changed

that so i think it's a huge step for the franchise and for kyler murray and it's not just kyler murray i mean granted before every drive where he fist bumps every single offense alignment i love Arizona changed that. So I think it's a huge step for the franchise and for Kyler Murray. And it's not just Kyler Murray. I mean, granted, before every drive where he fist bumps every single offensive lineman, I love that. Like that little thing right there, I'm a big fan of. Like that's him showing at least gratitude and thanks to the offensive line, which he's going to need, obviously, in this world. But the defense, that dude Buda Baker, I talked to Darius Butler last hour about it. He might be the most electrifying player on defense inside of the ball in all of football.

He is everywhere, it feels like. Then you obviously got the freak athlete Patrick Peterson in there. You got some good players. Isaiah Simmons had a pick last night, first play he's made, I think, in the NFL. Hopefully this takes the lid off the basket for him. But it's just like the defense is also very good. Cliff Kingsbury, saw him all fired up. Normally, I think he's just flatlined.

It feels like the Cardinals are a good trend. And I would like to say I lost some money on them early. I bet on them a lot. I bet on them last year because I was very impressed with Kyler Murray. This year I saw him slow, high-step, fucking do-si-do-a guy. I'm like, I'm back on this train again. Here we are. And it feels like

they're a team that we could watch really rise to prominence in this nfc even though the nfc is loaded with football talent right now does it make you worry uh more though about the seahawks defense that they just seem like they russell's gonna going to have to throw six touchdowns a game to win yeah digs brought that up to Darius in the last hour, I believe. He said, or maybe it was Connor, I forget which guy, but he said Russ knows, right? Russ knows that he has to have the biggest game of the weekend every single time he plays football.

He has to put up, he has to have four touchdowns, five touchdowns, which with other players we'd go oh my god massive weekend here we go this he has to do that every single weekend and ty lockett to his credit is fuck catches everything that guy is outlandish how good he is just snags one-handed snags deep balls corn i mean everything and you go back to that catch he had last year in that back corner it's one of the nicest nastiest catches i've ever seen in my entire life but they know that they have to do that with that defense who can't stop a damn thing for whatever reason whatever the reason is maybe it's the concept doesn't work anymore in the nfl maybe it's the players whatever the case they just can't it feels like everybody's been able to have their way with

them well i i know you know it's not good when your defensive coordinator is trending on twitter that's all ken norton trending for a little bit like I'm like, come on, man. I don't know. I don't know either. I would have to take a deeper look, I guess, to see, like, what do you think? Is the scheme bad for these players? Do they just not have the players? And 98% of the time, it's just, hey,

we don't have the players to match up like we want to. Yeah, it's amazing how good a scheme can get when you've got, like, five guys that are in the top five at their position. It's like, oh, shit, this scheme couldn't do a damn thing a week ago. Now it's, okay, we can do everything. That game was awesome last night. A couple other really good games. Titans-Steelers almost went to overtime.

I mean, that game, Battle of the Undefeateds over there in Nashville, Tennessee. Pittsburgh Steelers remain undefeated. But that game started out Steelers clobbering the Tennessee Titans, and the Tennessee Titans come back, missed 46-yarder. That would have sent it over there, but now the Steelers are still undefeated. The Titans just finished their third game, I think, in 13 days or 14 days, which is obviously a tall task, but that's because they had COVID outbreak in their building. How do you feel about those two teams?

What do you think about the AFC? I feel good. Like, the more I watch Ryan Tannehill play, the more sold I am. I was always kind of, like, weary on Tannehill, even coming into this season. I'm like, I don't know if he can do what he did last year. That was unbelievable what he did, and he's played very, very well. So I think they can get it done with him. I like the Titans.

I think the Steelers, once again, are one of the most underrated teams that are just rolling. They're the only undefeated team, correct? Yep. Which means nothing. It doesn't mean anything. And the Steelers don't care either. All they care about is going and trying to win the Super Bowl.

They don't care about the regular season record. Well, it's only happened one time, 72 Dolphins. So everybody knows that it's kind of an outlandish thought to even like, you know, we're going to try to go undefeated. It's like nobody, everybody knows that there's going to be a week where you're going to get caught. You know, both teams, even if you're on a terrible football team, you go in expecting and hoping to win the game.

You're not going in saying, oh, we've got no chance of winning this one. See ya. Why don't we just forfeit this sucker? AJ, as a former middle linebacker, what did you think of Bob Nightrain, Spillane, filling the gap, meeting Derrick Henry in the hole? This guy's got a barbed wire tattoo.

He's got some long hair and he is a body thrower that guy number 41 for the steelers it is a electric factory to watch on the field he's fun to watch somebody just throw his whole body at people that derrick henry collision like i i watched it i'm like oh and it made me jump oh my god and then i had to run it back from different angles because i wanted to see who all was in there who made the first contact how it all how it all played out it was beautiful thing man those those collisions right there down there by the goal line are so violent sometimes they don't always look that violent that one looks violent sounded violent and was very much but when you're that there like in the compressed

area and you have a linebackers running full speed from five yards back, a running back who's seven yards deep, full speed ahead, like somebody's going to die. Yeah, that was kind of what I think they were both going for there. And it reminded me of, because normally with the sound you can't hear it, in practice when there's a goal line drill in training camp, the amount of grunting that happens, just the amount of like full exertion, like that's how you're hearing it now with the no fans in the stands whenever it gets down to goal line if you listen you hear grown men grunting down there while you can hear them literally using every

single ounce of anything they have in their body just to push another human by the way who's doing the exact same thing the opposite direction there's so much there is so much to be learned i bet down there in that goal line and that's why i always took those plays off you know what i mean i didn't think those were always built for me i assume you love goal line though huh you're a big fan of that yeah i didn't mind goal line i i would get annoyed at times when they try to trick you and now in the nfl they're tricking you all the time on the goal line running misdirection sneaking tight ends out like all kind of stuff which is fine i get it i understand the game um oh they're kind of making it sound like you said is making the game worse even i

mean like derrick henry you if you can physically dominate up front and and win the line of scrimmage yeah you're gonna run the ball but that's not very easy to do like there's not a whole lot of teams that can do that patriots are dead dude oh jesus you think it feels like it doesn't it i mean yesterday was bad now darius butler said something in the last hour and i have said this publicly i would never bet against the new england patriots because i have so much faith in bill belichick ernie and everything they got going on up there whatever the case no matter who's there they've been able to win but boy they've they look they don't look like a new england patriots they look different don't look like a New England Patriots team. They look different.

Don't they look different? Even that one pick that they threw when he was trying to throw it to Edelman, he threw it behind him. Like, even that, like, everyone just looked off. Well, not even that. I mean, you go back a couple weeks, Hoyer gets sacked. Three seconds left on the clock, no timeouts right before half. Like, that doesn't happen on the New England Patriots.

Like, that's not something that happens on New England Patriots. Then yesterday they do a bunch of stuff. It's like, this doesn't look like the New England. Like, this isn't the New England Patriots. Like that's not something that happens on New England Patriots. Then yesterday they do a bunch of stuff. It's like, this doesn't look like the new, like this isn't the New England. So whenever I say that, I'm, I think they potentially are not going to be in contention in the end.

I'm saying it because I don't think this looks like the 20 years of New England Patriots. We have seen, this looks like a very different New England Patriots team that maybe just, just will have to, but maybe they come back and turn it around. I mean, it may be that that's a hundred percent possible, especially when you got those big brains over there.

Yeah. I mean, if we run the ball 50 times a game, then we have a chance, but we're throwing to Cheech and Chong. There's nobody out there. Our wide receivers have been targeted and they've had one touchdown and there's been eight interceptions targeting wide receivers from Cam Newton

and the Patriots quarterbacks. I mean, that's pathetic. That's the worst thing of all time. But teams that have started 2-4 from 1990 to 2013 have a 9% chance to make the playoffs. And I'm holding on to that 9% because if anybody can do it, it's Billy Belichick and Ernie Adams. Is that his name, Ernie Adams? Yeah.

They got no shot. It feels like 9% seems high with that particular game. The AFC East, though, who knows what's going to happen. The Bills. You know the Patriots, though, Pat. Let's say Cam Newton comes out next game, throws for 315 and three touchdowns with no picks, and they win the game.

Patriots are back. What do you mean? Those couple weeks, that's not us. That's not who we are. We figured it out. What day of the week is it? What day of the week is it? Monday. But this particular Monday is... Ooh. Underreaction Monday. No! Don't ruin it!

Don't ruin it! Come on! This is Underreaction Monday. The Patriots are dead, bro. They're dead. And you should see what the Lions are about to do. The Lions are about to go on like a 10-game run, I think. The Lions are about to just absolutely go for it. As a Lions fan, we have not talked about this yet, AJ, so I appreciate you leading us in this conversation.

As a Lions fan, yesterday, you had to be 100% certain that if any team was going to do what the Falcons did at the end of the game, it would have been the Lions. The Falcons out Lions the Lions against the Lions at a time where, is this a turning point for the Motor City? Yeah, let me preface this by saying, Pat, the Lions, will they get God in the future? Yes, but I think it's officially time that we can pass the torch to the Atlanta Falcons as the biggest chokers in the NFL.

Todd Gurley, thank you very much. Matthew Stafford, one minute left. No timeouts. Marches down the field. Throws it to Hockinson. Touchdown. We get a penalty. 15-yard penalty.

And I'm like, oh, no. This is a 48-yard extra point. We're going to choke again. But we have the best kicker in the league, baby. Matt Prater puts that thing through. I'll tell you what. It had to be a good day to be a Lions fan yesterday. And as soon as you see Todd Gurley stumble into the end zone there, which, by the way, not supposed to score, obviously.

But there's probably an incentive there if he scores a touchdown and you get an extra 200, 300. If he gets 13 touchdowns this year, it's $500,000. Okay, so what's he, the Falcons stink, an extra 500,000, right football IQ move.

You could see how he could potentially, oh, fuck, I fell in, but I thought about it so people know that I did think about it. That is tough because they definitely win that game if he falls there. Instead, he has an incentive in his contract to force him to want to score that touchdown for an extra half a million

dollars worth of money but instead he scores the touchdown matt stafford walks down there well that was an awesome finish down there for two teams that are probably out of the conversation completely for anything that really matters but boy it was an awesome maybe the lines get hot i love the lines maybe they get hot. I love the Lions. Maybe they get hot. But that game was insane last night down there, or yesterday down there. Yeah, the Lions proved to us that we've known this all along, that the Lions are finishers.

They know how to finish a ballgame. They can really stick the nail in the coffin when they need to. The thing about the Lions is they have the greatest fourth-quarter coach in the history of fourth quarter. All right. What? I mean, we don't have to quarter coach in the history of fourth quarter. We don't have to rub it in. We've got to win. Let Detroit be happy. You don't have to rub it in. We're not rubbing it in. This is not satire, cuz.

This is the truth. Typical Lions fan. We said on Friday last week, they win. They should probably re-up Patricia. That's what we said. Five years. He's got to make the playoffs we got the colts now off a buy this is very interesting but i do think we've won two in a row we can win six more in a row at this point make the playoffs 10 and 6 we can possibly win six more and then

there's one game who's the game against green bay packers and aaron so you're already so there's no chance in the nfc north then No, but that's not our expectations. Our expectations were not to win the NFC North. Our expectations are to go 10-6 and win a playoff game. What do you mean go to the playoff? When someone says, hey, our goal is a playoff berth. That's what. My goal is to lose my first game in the playoffs?

No, we've got to win a playoff game. I'm 26 years old. I haven't seen a playoff win, AJ. It's been since 1991. The Lions haven't won a playoff. I respect you being realistic with your goal setting. So, playoff win. So, okay, we're just going to get beat in the second round of the playoffs. That's our goal. Oh, we're going to have even bigger hopes and aspirations for this team because we've already proven that we can get a win in playoffs. So, let's go ahead and cut it off here so we don't get too heartbroken later on down the road that's that literally is our super bowl is winning a playoff game i'll put it

there wow that's i understand i mean it would show it would absolutely show progress and that's what you want to see in any franchise yeah yeah for sure i want i want matt patricia to win a goddamn super bowl so bad because he's been fired what like 10 times up there. He shows up on his ATV. People are looking at him funny and then he shows up at our interview thing Super Bowl week. Awesome conversation. I mean he led us into their building. He started drawing on a on a table with a dry erase marker a new play. He was thinking I mean I love Matt Patricia as a human as a head coach. I could see how if he was the head coach of the team I was a fan of you could potentially turn on him but if he goes and just does this thing good for him and most importantly good for Matthew Stafford yeah Matthew Stafford deserves it you know what I mean

you better hope well that's the problem though they're going to be showing like a highlight film but you know the official dvds they sell if you win the Super Bowl for that team that they run right after the game they're going to have clips from this show of Foxy firing Patricia nine times before week three. No, that's not true. This guy. The hands had turned on him.

The city had turned on him. Cut to a clip of, we're going to lose 16 straight yet again. And then it's going to be, and what did the Lions do? Like the American Lions in the mountains of Provo, Utah. They stalked their prey for far too long and finally got a dub at the end of the day.

I'm proud. I'm proud of the Lions, man. That was a fun game to watch. Because that's a game the Lions lose. Just like you said about the Cardinals-Seahawks. That was a game the Seahawks win. That was a game that the Lions lose. Just like you said about the Cardinals Seahawks, that was a game the Seahawks win. That was a game that the Lions lose every single time. To be on

the other side of that had to be awesome. When Matt Stafford gets that ball back, Matthew Stafford gets that ball back with under a minute left, I think everybody potentially outside of Detroit was like, okay, he's got a chance to go on a run here. Everybody in Detroit was probably like, pick six somehow, we're going to lose this even worse than it already is. Game's already over, we're supposed to win this game. Tony Tick was probably on the run here. Everybody in Detroit was already like, pick six somehow. We're going to lose this even worse than it already is.

Game's already over. We're supposed to win this game. Tony Tick was probably on the other side. The Falcons fans were like, oh, we for sure are losing this. As soon as Detroit got the ball back, Falcons fans knew they were losing that game. As soon as Todd fell one ball into the end zone, they were like, it's over. Fucking football gods are going to kill us now.

And there was a classic photo of the Lions defense actually signaling, like, ref, that's a touchdown. And Todd gurley's in the end zone it was awesome that's going to be used like five years from now remember back whenever they were almost winning and the defense was celebrating other teams scoring i mean somebody would take it out of proportion what's up no i know quickly i know gurley said that he's so mad at himself or whatever did they ask did anyone talk about like what was the communication like before the play? In the huddle, someone's got to be like, hey, man, we all know, like, there's no – they're probably going to let you score. You've got to go down, right?

Like, do you think everyone assumed it was known? What did you guys call it? No moss in the huddle? What was that called? Yeah, I think it was no moss, yeah. We only had to do it a few times. It's hard to get everyone on board. That's what I'm saying. Because you've got to say it in a fashion that the offense doesn't hear you. And guys get mad and start yelling. I want to fight you.

I'm like, bro, I'm just relaying the call. It's coming in my head. Let this dude score. And then you got to act as if you're not letting them score. But you still got to let them score. It's a weird play. Did you guys ever practice it? Was it something that was practiced?

Yeah, I'm sure we did a few times, yeah. We did because the offense would always work on on Fridays. They would do the old deal where you drop back in the end zone and Aaron would run around all over town, and then he'd finally just throw it in the air, and they would take a holding call or whatever to, I don't know. You remember, who did that a while ago, three, four, five years ago? A punter did it.

You're talking about slow safety? Yeah, they would work out yeah we would work you know fridays are usually the day you work on all that kind of weird stuff like that two point plays all that i had an awesome slow safety that i wanted them to call so let's say there's uh 13 seconds left fourth down uh they've called a timeout we have to punt at that point we're out in the middle of the field like 35 40 or something like that we have to punt right because they stopped the clock we're up uh two whatever it is there was a play that we drew that i don't say we drew up i i pitched the idea after seeing uh we're practicing on a quarterback rollout to the right then throw as high as far as you can it

burns like nine seconds ten seconds off the clock or whatever. So I pitch. Couldn't I do that from the punter position? Right? Couldn't you snap that to me? I could turn around or we're up three, right? Have to give up a safety. So we're up three at this point. I turn around and just start running towards the end zone, right?

And I can see on the jumbo trot, if anybody's behind me, then I, once I get to the end zone, can throw crow hop as high as I can out of the back of the end zone, and the clock doesn't stop until it hits the ground, I could probably burn 30, 40 seconds if I really wanted to. At least.

Okay, so I'm pitching this idea. I'm like, okay, this is what I do. Because unless they're, are they coming for the block? Cool, just keep the offensive line out there. I don't give a fuck. Just have whoever you got to do. I got a 15-yard head start. Now, DK Metcalf proved last night that that is not

enough against people and i understand that i'm very self-aware that it's not going to be enough for me to run but i think i could just catch the 15 yard snap turn run and then whenever somebody gets close i'll huck it up over the field goal net and whenever it lands that's when the clock stops i was like i think 15 seconds no problem at all We practiced it one time. I crow-hopped and threw that thing. It was the farthest ball I've ever thrown in my entire life. Went into the woods behind the fucking thing. And I was like, I don't think the ball is hit yet. Clock's still running.

And they were like, we'll put it in the playbook. Never called it. Never, ever called it. We practiced slow safeties every single week, fast safeties every single week. single week none of it ever happened never ever got a chance to do it the slow safety is the one where you know you saw sam cook do it in the super bowl against the niners take the snap you run to the corner of an end zone then you step out before you get hit or whatever we practiced it one time like the first time in training camp and i was just dicking around i didn't know somebody was really gonna come and the guy like got real close to me and i like oh

shit like i hopped out of bounds and chuck's like don't you even let them touch you because if you fumble that could you fucking fathom you fumble that they score a touchdown i'm like chuck have a little bit of faith i'll be able to get out of the way he was like that guy's not gonna make our team he almost just got you can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show the fact that you allow us to penetrate your ear holes is something that we are so incredibly grateful for uh if you enjoy this show please be a friend and tell a friend if you don't like the show just act like it never happened just say hey you know what didn't enjoy that thought insert name of gripe here or thought insert this here just act like it never happened but if you love this show tweet us tell us about it be part of our community we

appreciate you so so much we'll be back tomorrow for guess what Aaron Rodgers Tuesday and by the way Aaron Rodgers seems to be playing at the level he played for the first four weeks of the season. Looks like last week may have been an anomaly. Well, he was getting questions from media. What are you going to do now that defenses have figured your offense out? And what did he do? He just... One out of five.

Just fucking dominated the Texans yesterday. Almost put J.J. Watt to quit, I think. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And J.J. Watt, by the way, great football player and everything like that. And the Texans are not a franchise that you're thinking, you know what, they're going to win a Super Bowl. But you thought they'd be able to put up a little bit more of a fight

because of the Romeo Cornell and the firing of Billy O and all that. Aaron Rodgers said, no, no. Me and Devontae Adams are going to have 700 yards for your touchdowns. No big deal. Yeah, usually going into those games, I get kind of worried. At no point in that game did it feel like the Packers weren't just going to continue to blow their doors off. Big spike game for Aaron yesterday.

And we knew he was going to win. Which is great. So hopefully the media somehow, you know, find some holes in his game, keep talking shit, pissing him off, and just keep going. That would be great if we could figure out a way for the media to tell him he stinks somehow. Yeah, it would be. Anyways, he'll be here tomorrow.

Also some other guests, I think. I'm not 100% sure. Big ones. A couple, yeah, pretty. I mean, Rogers is obviously a huge name, but the guys coming before him also, yeah, pretty sterling. And their names, we don't want to give away right now. No, that's a tease.

All right, Ty, please play some independent music. We'll see y'all motherfuckers tomorrow for Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. This has been the Pat McAfee Show 2.0. Be a friend, tell a friend. Cheers. Læs merks! Thank you. so wow សូវាប់បានប់បានប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប� Thank you. so so wow Thank you.