The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 286 - Dalvin Cook, Andrew Brandt, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 4, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys discuss watching the election coverage last night and how impressed they were with John King, Bill Hemmer, & Steve Kornachi's talent with their boards and touch screens, and how difficult of a job that must be. Pat also gives out his exactly halfway through the NFL season awards and takes a look at Thursday night's game between the 49ers and Packers. Joining the show is a Pro Bowler, a man coming off having 226 total yards and 4 touchdowns against the Packers, Running Back for the Minnesota Vikings, Dalvin Cook. Pat and Dalvin chat about his special day on Sunday and if he knew things were going to go that way when he got on the field, if it's tough playing in the cold being from Florida, what it is about being from that area in Florida that produces so many NFL players, his running style, and how tough this season has been with the Covid protocols (24:12-38:51). Later, VP of Vayner Sports, host of the Business of Sport podcast, former VP of Finance for the Green Bay Packers, and friend of the show, Andrew Brandt, joins the program. Pat and Andrew discuss why the Packers didn't make a move at the deadline, why that is typically not a strategy in Green Bay, what he thinks will ultimately happen with Stephon Gilmore, and why he thinks a lot of marquee players will be released this offseason with the cap going down drastically (54:02-1:07:20). To close the show, Pat and AJ Hawk discuss the Packers not making any moves at the deadline, if he thinks they're angling to put Jordan Love in a position to play, his thoughts on the Thursday Night Game, and more (1:09:40-1:31:24). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello it is wednesday november 4th how you doing pretty good how are you long night last night long night for one that doesn't dabble much into politi bouncing around channel surfing watching the map workers do their thing last night was electric who knows when we'll know who the next president is going to be seems like that's going to be a long time from now. But what a wild time to be alive. 2020 tops itself somehow yet again. I mean, what else can you say? All I know is every four years, like the Olympics,

Paul and Ty take over everything. I will be. I mean, I was shocked at how entertained I was last night. Oh, my God god it was a wave it was there was waves of emotion coming from the people on the television then all of a sudden people get a little bit of a boost of energy they're back other people fall off then all of a sudden some county will pop off and all of a sudden we're back in it for this side and then this side's back in it i mean it was wild i'm glad I didn't stop watching because I almost did.

I mean, there was a point there where it was like, okay, this thing's over, and then we're right back into it, and then it's over, and then we're right back into it. We still are. I wonder if – well, I won't say it. But I wonder if the coverage was, you know, they were WWE-ing had to be had to be some states were called in some places and it was like interesting and then other other channels were like that not even they didn't do anything we still we gotta do it and then they call it and no no no take it back and

then it was a whole oh man it was electric mean, granted, it probably tore our country apart even more, but it was fucking electric. Oh, yeah. Today, big sports show. Dalvin Cook, the man who rushed. No, not rushed, but gained 226 yards from the line of scrimmage this past weekend against the Green Bay Packers. He'll be joining us today.

And host of the Business of Sport podcast, Andrew Brandt, will join us to tell us why the Packers didn't make any goddamn moves yesterday at the NFL trade deadline. It was a big dud. Big old dud. Big dud. A lot of people entered the hashtag, Pat, I don't know why I listen. Might have to up how much we gave away.

Okay. Okay. I didn't expect that many people. I appreciate all of you, by the way. Getting a chance to see a lot of people's photos. It was like at the beginning of the quarantine. We're like, this is where I'm at, Pat. I got a chance to see a lot of people's photos it was like um it's like at the beginning of the quarantine we're like this where i'm at pat yeah i got a chance to like see the people that listen it was awesome to get a chance to see um and if you listen today feel free to enter hashtag pat i don't know why i listened whoa hey we'll extend the polls

oh man fuck it we'll be a little bit of an escape for you hopefully because We'll extend the entries. Oh, man. Fuck it. We'll be a little bit of an escape for you, hopefully, because, boy, it feels like everybody's pissed off right now. Everyone needs one. I woke up this morning. I said, good morning, beautiful people. How's everybody doing? Oh, God.

I can't even imagine what those mentions were like. I got a couple of DMs from my friends of mine in the past, and they said, oh, you've just bought in fully to this heel thing, huh? I'm like, no, no, no. I just want to let people know that, you know, there's somebody out there that cares about how they're doing. Yeah, sure. I just got canceled last night. I congratulated my friend Anthony Gonzalez on winning another term in Congress.

Oh, my God, I got attacked. That was a little bit of a lack of self-awareness there which i pride myself on i should have known that i could have potentially got kicked off the internet last night for congratulating a friend on winning in an election yeah we live and we learn just know the gonzo comes on the show wins an election that's right so any other politicians we've had mark cuban on before Probably means he'll win. Yeah. Did Rainwater win?

He wasn't on the show. We talked about him a lot. We did talk about Rainwater. Rainwater did not win, by the way. Oh, no. I'm not 100% sure if Rainwater registered in Indiana or not. Rainwater, you want to make a run four years from now, whenever it is, pal?

You know what to do. Let's get to this stupid-ass show. I think it's the right thing to do. I think so, too. All right, let's do it. Last night was an electric factory in our country. Obviously, we don't dabble in the Paula tie too much. Last night, I think the entire world was dialed in to see what was going on in our country.

And here we are at 12.03 Eastern Standard Time. And I don't think anybody has a clue what the hell happened yesterday. I believe this is probably going to carry on for a couple more days, maybe months, depending on which Twitter stream you listen to, who's pissed off about what. But I will say this before we dive into the sports, which is our bread and our butter. Hell yeah. I would be remiss not to say that these three sons of bitches last night had an amazing night.

There was three humans operating last night on a map that was looking around, diving into counties, diving in and zooming in, giving us exact numbers on what's happening where. It was these gentlemen. There was one on CNN. There was one on MSNBC. There was one on Fox. The man on CNN's name was John King, was Diggs' favorite early.

We learned a lot about Diggs last night, by the way. I did not know a lot of things about Diggs. We learned a lot of things about Diggs last night, by the way. I did not know a lot of things about Diggs. We learned a lot of things about Diggs last night. And a lot of people were giving John King this overwhelming amount of, hey, he's doing the greatest job of all time on the maps. And I wanted to tell those people, hey, I appreciate what John King is doing. Had his hands together like this, kind of like an evil villain. Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out.

Let's do this whole thing. But those people I don't think were channel surfing. And last night, if you weren't channel surfing, you were doing it wrong. Because there was a guy on Fox News named Bill Hemmer up here. Bill Hemmer seemed like he just walked straight out of the country club, okay?

Was very comfortable, very deliberate, very professional if I like. And he had his different style. John King had a different style than Bill Hemmer obviously. Those were two very opposite CNN, Fox News. You can kind of see how they potentially are doing things differently. But the man that won the goddamn

night for me, if you were a channel surfer, Steve Kornacki. This dude was an electric factory. Now, his wardrobe department was 1 15th of the other boys, I think you can see, obviously. He had khakis on at one point, rolled up his sleeves.

He was sweating. He had 15 to 16 more panels that popped out on his thing. And last night, Ty and I talked about this this morning as soon as we came in. Because obviously, if you're in America, you're watching everything last night. And for me, I was over on Rogan's show for a little bit. I popped over. I was on NBC's main channel there for a little bit, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC. I'm kind of bouncing around because if you do recall four years ago, that was the best way to watch election night anyways, was to see one particular group get pissed, one particular group get sad, one

particular group be a little bit motivated. That's why I was like, all right, so I learned from four years ago, this is what you're supposed to do, just bounce around. And the momentum was obviously coming in waves in different sides, and you saw some souls leave bodies and then come back into them again late night. But Steve Kornacki is not getting enough credit for

what he did last night. It was like he was in a goddamn zone. Every button he pushed was right. Every number he was adding up in his head was unbelievable. I respect what John King and Bill Hemmer did last night, okay? You boys did a great job. It's not an easy job. And the fact that John King just sat there like this the entire time didn't even look like he sweat.

I respect that a lot. But Steve Kornacki four years from now, we have to look at him potentially running a network maybe with how good of a night he had last night, Ty Schmidt. John King and Bill Hemmer, listen, good players, good solid players. Steve Kornacki is a Hall of Fame talent. There's no two ways about it. That was the most impressed I think I've ever been in my life, seeing the way he manipulated that touchscreen. I mean, you know how many small counties there are in all those states?

We learned last night. Kornacki didn't miss one of them. Every time he pointed to something, it went right to where he wanted to go. His subset was doing math off the top of his head. I kind of wish I would have voted for Kornacki for president. I should have wrote him in. Could have wrote him in.

Could have done that yesterday. The conversation obviously in the politi world is that outlets want a particular person to win right yep like um i think john king we all knew who he wanted to win last night the way he was circling things and saying we have a lot of work to do here and stuff like that bill hammer on fox news obviously you know where he's going kornacki who's on msnbc which is i think the most left channel

that you could possibly get it felt like kornacki was just here for the map and the map only. I'm only here to talk about the numbers. And I think that was the most impressive thing. It's like, hey, there's no spin coming from this goddamn guy either. He's just zooming in. He had this one thing pop off. He had a, the map was here. Six different panels

popped out for like the last ten elections or whatever. X out, X out. Let's zoom in on this one. Boom. Five minutes. Boom. It was awesome watching that guy work. It was unbelievable.

And all that was for naught because nobody has a fucking clue who's going to be the president. Son of a bitch. But now we talk sports. I just hope everybody got a chance to enjoy it. I mean, everybody on my timeline was hammering alcohol. I guess it was a big drunk fest last night. A lot of people were trying to. I saw a couple people smoking like entire packs of cigarettes and stuff.

It was very stressful. I can understand that's the real life. But for me, because I'm such a smart ass, I'm just automatically like, well, who's doing better here? I just started judging the map workers because I'm so intrigued by it. And I think they stole the show. Congrats to them. None of them will be president.

And we don't know who will be. But I was happy to be introduced to all these guys. All the boys that are here, Atone Diggs is here. We learned a lot about Diggs last night. Big John King guy. I found out on his Twitter. Not a big Paul Attai guy, but last night you dove into it. The football world, we got some updated news and breaking news too.

It's like tomorrow night's Thursday night game. Everybody thought the Packers were potentially going to be the COVID problem. Turns out Niners got a COVID problem this morning. They're supposed to play tomorrow. What's going to happen, Diggs? Nobody knows. It's 2020. Yeah, and if they do play tomorrow night, hopefully they do. We've had tests day before and they've played the game before, so we'll see what happens there. But

Kendrick Bourne is the person on the 49ers who I guess tested positive today. And now that he's out, not one person playing tomorrow night for the 49ers is someone that touched the ball in the nfc championship game last year and everyone is out nobody is guaranteeing that the packers are going to get a win and nobody knows if game's going to happen nobody knows what game's going to happen i guess the packers have no more positive tests after a.j dylan went

to birthday with his girlfriend cheese and then he played an entire game with covid and then or covid positive tests. And then Jamal Williams was a high risk close to it. So he's out. But other than that, no other positives. Niners have positive this morning. So who knows who else contact tracing is going to be out. Tomorrow night's game, big question. It's in San Francisco, by the way, which

I think is the most locked down stadium in the entire NFL right now, right? I mean, now Michael's Chris Collins. They wore two masks during the thing or whatever. Be excited to see how Thursday night plays out. We'll talk about that throughout the day, but it does seem like COVID's inching its way back into the NFL a little bit. At Boston, Connor, you feel the Patriots are going to make the playoffs.

Interesting. What are your thoughts on tomorrow night's game? And also tonight, there's a little match in, pal. I don't know if you're going to get loose in there. I'm going to stay away from college since I've lost about $10,000 betting on college football. But for tomorrow night's game, I just don't see how you're going to get loose in there. I'm going to stay away from college since I've lost about $10,000 betting on college football. But for tomorrow night's game, I just don't see how it's going to happen. There's just no chance.

It's California. It's not happening. Gamble responsibly, by the way. Yes. I should definitely say that. It's on him. He makes very dumb bets. That is 100% his fault.

But you're right. It does feel like if there's COVID potentially popping up, California would be a state that would potentially say, you're not coming in here. The Green Bay team hasn't. It would be very interesting to see if Thursday night football happens. If they move it, is it going to Sunday? Is it going Monday?

Is it going Tuesday? Are we going to have to reshuffle? What's going to happen? And will this enact the NFL's potential plan of having 16 teams in the playoffs as opposed to 14, which is what it was supposed to be as of this year? Will they add another team in each division or in each conference to make this whole thing possible? And if you're a Patriots fan, you're just hoping that somehow COVID weasels its way

around the NFL so that you could potentially slide in the back door. I mean, I wouldn't mind it, but I think if we do have to solve some problems here, like you guys said, I think we should just bring in Kornacki. The NFL, just bring him in, have him decipher a few things. Where should we play? When do we do do it and he'll figure it out steve kornacki should be doing a lot more than he's doing he really should you know he that listen shout out to bill okay shout out to bill john king great night okay you did your thing i appreciate what you guys did but kornacki looked like a mad scientist at points last night sweating the sleeves were rolled

up he was diving potentially into the states through the map and telling things what was going on it was amazing I mean I fell asleep obviously okay I fell asleep uh during uh Monday Night Football in fourth quarter as well so I apologize to the politics people that I fell asleep in the middle of your big Super Bowl or whatever I did did it for our sport as well, if it means anything, because the time zone changed or whatever. But I woke up this morning, and my first thought was, how's Kornacki doing? Yeah, exactly. And it turns out they put his ass back on TV this morning.

They put all three of them back on TV this morning. It's like, yo, I just pitched the perfect game last night. All of a sudden, next morning, because we don't have any answers, let's put his ass back on TV. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let Kornacki at least have 24 hours to fucking celebrate what he did last night all of a sudden next morning because we don't have any answers let's put his ass back on tv it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa let kornacki at least have 24 hours to fucking celebrate what he did last night maybe get the guy a cup of coffee or something for christ's sake all three of these guys were i saw them until at least 3 30 in the morning on their respective channels and they were both all three back on their channels like 10 30 this morning and i guess this has

happened in uh where there's a delay in figuring out who the fuck won thing for the president, which, honestly, I'm telling you this yet again. We know we don't know what we're talking about here. We are just observing and reporting. The fact that they put them back out there this morning, they trotted them all back out there. Oh, yeah. They trotted them all back. John King's back out there this morning.

Bill Hammer's back out there on his map this morning. And Kornacki is on his map this morning. And it's like, like yo these guys just pulling all-nighter here breaking down things that I don't think we expected and they're expecting to go out there and have another game it's like hey doubleheader boys here we go you got two Super Bowls bowing the same day and morning hopefully Kornacki will be able to get back into the zone that he was in last night because this morning he stumbled out of the gates a little bit well it's not fair either I mean they're not letting him actually go to the board and kind of dissect

the counties and the states like they were last night i think they realize like hey kornacki you stole the show last night we can't have you doing that again like the election matters oh you think that his contract's potentially up this is like a marshawn lynch on the goal line in the super bowl don't want to pay him yeah because kornacki's price just went up skyrocket his yeah his price just there's already an article in Pro-Rocket. I bought his book this morning. We're the dumbest. I tried to watch Rogan's stream last night.

Oh, yeah? How was that? It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad, but they didn't have any of the, they needed a mapper. They needed a mapper. They needed a mapper over there. Like, I love when Rogan speaks. Obviously, Tim Dillon, very funny. And they had another guy on there and, you know, numerous people.

But as soon as I – good conversation as I was listening. Rogan always has great conversation with people. I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm listening. I'm like, I fucking need the map guy, dude. Yeah, need to have the map. Need the map guy. You need a map guy in there. And it was electric.

Boy, our country's pissed, though. Oh, yeah. Split down the middle. This morning I woke up. This morning I woke up. This morning I woke up. And, you know, I don't want to say I don't love stirring the pot, but I looked on the Internet. I scrolled through.

This person hates this person. On the complete opposite side, this person hates this person. I just gave a little good morning, beautiful people. How's everybody doing? And it was a. I might as well have just dropped like one of those things that when you put it in with pop and it blows up. Mentos.

I dropped Mentos right into the timeline. And that thing just fucking boom all the way up. I was called immature for even asking that question. Oh, come on. Come on. Come on. You're just asking people how they're doing. Thomas got canceled last night by the way

in this is the closest i've ever been to cancel and uh you know yesterday we had a conversation with uh anthony gonzalez former teammate of mine great guy and to be a hundred percent transparent i did not know what political affiliation he was until we posted about him on the twitter feed we posted a clip and then people just came in, burying him because he's a Republican. Which, by the way, I did not know. I had no idea. So last night he wins. Okay.

And I see the AP announces that he wins. And it says Republican Congressman Anthony Gonzalez wins for a second term or whatever. I quote tweeted and I say, congrats. You know, I give him like a congrats to gonzo nice like hey i thought people were like you know oh boy i almost got fucking canceled so i had to take it down i was like oh all right i have to tell people this is like a friend of mine oh yeah former teammate of mine a former nfl guy is now serving his second term in congress he's 36 years old i'm pretty happy for the guy but also hey the votes he makes i'm not 100 but like listen don't associate me with any

fucking politician this is strictly me congratulating a friend oh it got hot in the kitchen there for a little bit oh yeah if you say good job to a friend you have to explain why you're saying a good job and why they're your friend or else you know who knows and i was an amateur move by me not realizing that especially i i don't see this is me once again not understanding truly how emotionally vested old Paul Attai is because I don't know enough about the world. Boy, my sports Twitter, awesome. Last night, sports Twitter became Paul Attai Twitter because the whole world became it.

I did not know everybody wants to kill everybody. Oh, yeah. It's going to be like that for a while now, too, it seems like. It's a big EKE country right now. Everybody kill everybody. Yep. Well, the good news for us is we're just going to be dumb. We're going to talk about sports.

Today we've got Dalvin Cook joining us in about nine minutes. Can't wait to chat with him. He just got off of a 226 total yard game against the Green Bay Packers. Beat them by himself. He's been on the show before. Good conversation. Can't wait to chat with him. Obviously, things aren't going great for the Vikings this year.

Who knows why? Not him. He just had four tuds. I can't wait to chat with him about that. Jason McAfee's here in the back. Evan Fox, in a wild turn of events yesterday, drove back to Michigan to vote. Wow. He did.

Hero vote. Wow. He did. Hero vote. Wow. Foxy. Foxy. He's a hero. Proud of him. Hey, that's, while we were watching last night, too, and Michigan was becoming a, you don't even want to zoom in things.

I was like, good for Foxy going back there. So, I don't know. I think he'll be there today, maybe tomorrow. Not 100% sure. Happy for Foxy, though. And that's where, hey, that's, hey, that's what our show's all about. That's what it's all about. Hell yeah. So, today, at Viva Not 100% sure. Happy for Foxy, though. Hey, that's what our show's all about. So today, at Viva, Zito is cutting cameras, and if you're

watching on YouTube, he's already made about eight to nine mistakes, but that's just because he's trying to figure it out and feel it out. Ain't that right, Z? Oh, yeah. You know, I'm figuring out all as we go, but I think we got this. As he looked to the side and very, very confused. I brought the wrong button there, maybe.

Hey, you're doing a great job, Z. Hey, you have a pullout today. So, very confused. I'd run through and put him there, maybe. You're doing a great job, Z. You have a poll out today. Zito is pulling six different jobs right now. He's doing Foxy's job cutting cameras. He is also putting out his big-ass poll. Zito, what's the poll for the day? Today is, will the 49ers and Packers

play tomorrow? Nope. 63.3%. Yep. 36.7%. I did that wrong. No, you did good. Zito, you can do no wrong today, by the way. Nick and Gumpy are back there.

We can't thank you enough for joining us today. We'll do some phone calls. We got some midseason awards to give away. Yeah, I mean, we got some big things popping off on this Wednesday, November 4th. And, yeah, like, I want to let let everybody know no matter what happens here, like, hey, we're just going to go on here. OK, the spirit of the human is much more powerful than any spirit of government, no matter who's in the government world. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. You got people from both sides saying the world's going to end if the other person gets voted in. Guess what? People have been saying that for the last 50 going to end if the other person gets voted in. Guess what? People have been saying that for the last 50 years. But what has America done? Fucking survived. Strive on. I don't know who's going to win.

I don't think anybody does. I didn't know who was going to win going into it. I don't think I ever did. But I think everybody on earth needs to realize that we're all in this together, baby. Put your swords away okay at some point you have to look at somebody who maybe uh disagrees with the way you view uh one of the key pertinent topics and just say hey you're a fucking stooge for that but let's move along bingo okay i don't need to kill you they were boarding up indianapolis getting ready for a goddamn war because they

didn't know what was going to happen last night that we can't have that happen in every single four years that's not what this is no you're allowed to disagree with people you're allowed to think people are stupid I do that every day with Connor yeah I mean literally every single day there is a person that I disagree with on a lot of different occasions who we just work that is what our country is by the way we're a melting pot of people with different opinions and different backstories and maybe different reasons for believing in different things. And that's completely okay. But, boy, if you look at any Twitter, anybody can get killed if you disagree with people now. Oh, yeah.

And it's a wild time to be alive. And that'll be my last little soapbox thing. But just know it's okay to disagree with people yeah it's okay but you don't have to like you know kill them no no no listen and disagree country was raised on disagreements yeah amen you ever heard first take country's born i'm so sorry to interrupt i want to let you know that if you're not gambling with our friends at Fandle, you're wrong. Okay? We can all agree upon something.

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What's up, Pat? Hey, thank you for joining us. I appreciate you so much. I know it's probably a hectic week after scoring four touchdowns on a goddamn Saturday. I assume everybody wants to talk to you. Thanks for joining us, brother. No problem, bro. Hey, at what point did you know?

Like, was it when you jogged on the field? Like, when you jogged on the field day of, were you like, you know, the wind is hitting me a little bit differently. I feel a little lighter in my boots here. I know that the scheme today is right. Did you know at any point, like, oh, I'm about to have a career day against the Green Bay Packers in Lambeau, no problem at all? Did you know at any point, or was it just like as it was

going, it was like, oh, this is pretty cool, nobody touched me, oh, I'm in the touchdown again, let's do it. Is that what it was? It was all a flow thing, but I knew the wind and the type of environment we was playing in that we was going to run the football

and just locking in and sticking with it, which is what we did, was great for us. And I commend the O-line and everybody for blocking for me. But just one of those days where you start feeling it and things start happening for you. Do you start seeing things better? Like, for instance, they say, like, people that are professional drivers,

whenever you get above 180 miles an hour, the world starts slowing down. Is there anything where you were just seeing things differently or is it just every game and just things were popping open for you a little bit easier? Yeah, those guys up front kind of made things so much easier for me. But, you know, if you talk to a running back and, you know, when they're mentally just in it and just ready to go, things are clicking different up top.

You were coming back off an injury, I believe. What was that? How are we feeling? Is there anything else going on in the body? Are we about to make a run at this thing with the Minnesota Vikings? You started a little bit shaky and cold at the beginning of the season. Yeah, I had a slight abdu abductor scream and it was nothing serious i just needed a little rest on it and about we came right on time i got that week of rest and i was

ready to go but my body feels great um into my process and just getting ready to go to work this week so we getting ready to try to go on this run and get this thing turned around. You ever think about not having abs? Then you can't, mmm. You know what I mean? No, it was different for me because, like, I didn't know about an adductor or none of that. It was different.

What are workouts that you do, Dalvin? Because you have this incredible running style. You almost run, you run more vertical than most people, but you pull away. You seem to be explosive while also having this great agility. What is your workout process? What is the biggest thing for you in the offseason going into a season? What's the mindset?

Yeah, offseason-wise, I kind of like stick to what I do best, you know, jump cuts, you know, more agility stuff, you know, power out the ground, a lot of cutting, which is my game. You know, priding myself on breaking tackles and, you know, hitting that home run. And that's just, you know, part of my game. And I trust my eyes a lot. And that's just how my game is. How come you didn't do the gritty? You did the Lambo leap obviously by yourself.

How we doing? Keep it moving. But I didn't see you. Is it because Adam Thielen is so good at the gritty? Is that why you didn't want to do it? so good at the gritty. Is that why you didn't want to do it? The next time I pull it out,

I'm going to know exactly how to do it. I can't pull it out, and Justin Jefferson gave you the ideal look of how I'm supposed to look, and I go out there and embarrass myself. How is that locker room? Because obviously, there hasn't been as many wins, but there's been games that you guys should have won, and now

there's still a lot of season left. Everybody knows there's still a lot of season left everybody knows there's still a lot of season left and a win like that over the Packers a Packers team that's at the top of the NFC and everybody's conversation piece that can kind of pivot and change an entire momentum in mindset in a building what has it been like in the building this week and what is the mindset going into the weekend yeah there's been some guys that's a bunch that's walking here confident um knowing they could beat a good team knowing we could beat teams that are at the top of everybody's list just knowing we could do it and that was that was big for us finishing that game and you know from here from here on out it's the mindset of of going on the run and and trying to win as much games as

possible and on this down stretch right here. Did you keep every ball? Did you get like seven game balls? 226 yards, I don't think I've ever been in a team meeting, a victory meeting like that. Did Zimmer just be like, all right, listen, on the offense side of the ball, we're going to give every fucking ball we got to that guy. And if he wants to share them with the offensive line, that's cool.

What was the reaction on the plane ride home, the trip home, as the accolades were just rolling in? Because I think everybody saw you start get going, and then afterwards it was like 226 yards this dude accounted for. That had to be a hell of a trip home and a hell of a – I mean, that's something that doesn't happen often, to be honest with you. I hope you enjoyed it a little bit. Yeah, I did.

I'm just embracing it with my teammates. This thing is, it's been an up and down year, you know, with the protocol and with everything that's been surrounding us. So we haven't been winning as much as we want. And we felt that win-win. We enjoyed it. We got back to work, took a couple L's, and, and we felt that win-win. We enjoyed it. We got back to work, took a couple L's, and we beat Green Bay and Lambeau.

So we're enjoying that feeling, and now it's time to go back to work. But that ride home was definitely a good feeling, and now it's time to go keep feeling the same feeling each week. Dalvin, you talked about it earlier about how you knew the game might be on you because of the wind and the weather and stuff like that. Being from Florida, being a Florida guy, have you gotten used to playing in cold games yet,

being in the NFC North and having to play outside in some of those conditions? Yeah, credit that to Coach Zim. I never understood us practicing outside. But it pays off. It definitely gets you ready for a game. And I was in the game. I was actually kind of enjoying it, just being out there in the cold weather, no sleeves, just enjoying it and having fun.

And, you know, I credit that to the coaches around here for putting us in that scenario before we even got in it. Hey, Florida boys are mocked for being soft in the cold, though. I mean, that is... You know how them Florida boys do it whenever it gets a little bit cold, they turn it off a little bit. They turn it off. That is something that's thought about. You got

something, Connor? Yeah, Dalvin, you had a massive day and you mentioned the guys up front. So, have you started brainstorming ideas for Christmas presents for your offensive linemen? Smart. Yeah, got to get those guys right, right? Have to, have to, yeah.

Yeah, no, we finished this thing off strong this November. Didn't get it until December. You know, definitely got something special for those guys. You know, they've been blocking their tails off, not only for me, for Kurt, and for this team to be able to just go out there and win games. Davin, what part of Florida are you from? I'm from Miami. It feels like there's, like, what, 80% of the NFL is from that part of town?

What is it about? Is it because it's warm all year so you guys can train all year? Is it because of the competitiveness? What is it about Miami and South Florida that always produces just absolute monsters? I think it's different down there. We started football. I started football when I was four years old. And I was tackling football, too.

So we start early. We get into it. And we just love the game. I'm not taking it away from no other state. I just think it's a different love down there. It's so competitive at each level, middle school ball, high school ball. No matter what it is, it's so competitive, and you've got guys that are just as fast as you

and just as talented as you. So it rises your game to the highest level. And I think the community down there, the football community, is a really close one. You hear a lot of OGs that go back and watch, like young kids, but they're like, oh, we got a guy who's like 10 years old, 12 years old. Like they know, like it feels like the OGs are in touch with what's going on in the South Florida football community. Who is somebody that you, maybe as you're coming up, looked up to as a running back? Maybe not a South Florida guy, but who is somebody that you looked up to as a football player whenever you were coming through it? Yeah, when I was coming through it, I had a good example for me.

That was Devontae Freeman. Right there in my backyard, same high school, 10 minutes away from the Little League Park, and same college. So it was an ideal situation for me to just just learn from him yeah you know hard worker great person off the field and just kept his head down at work and that's just that's the identity that i carry myself on hey don why do you think some people fizzle out in the nfl and some people go like this is something i've tried to talk about on the show is because people ask me like why some punters are good and some are bad who all

have strong legs why does this kicker get hot and why is that and to be honest I don't have an answer I'm like I think mentally like maybe that's it why do you think some people make it and some people don't why because I would assume there are some people out there who could potentially run as fast as Dalvin Cook lift as much as Dalvin Cook but whenever you have 226 yards from scrimmage in an NFL game there's obviously something that separates you from other people and I don't want you to base this around you like I think I have this but what do you think is the biggest differentiator between people fizzling out because we all know people that are incredibly athletic that just couldn't

make it what do you think the biggest differentiator is you think in the NFL yeah i think just trusting who you is um you know i my game is different from any running back game and you know i look at other running backs and i and i learned a lot from them but i also know who dalvin cook is and i think people sometimes you're steered away and see other people doing other things and try to make it to that's who there is. Like that's who they want to be. So like I'm Dalvin Cook and I stand on that and I know the type of game that I play and each week I trust my process of getting me ready on Sundays.

And you get some guys that, you know, take losses to the heart and don't trust their process and take wins and don't trust their process. Win, lose, or draw. I got the same process of how I get ready on Sundays. Just being Dalvin Cook is what I stand on, and I think some guys steer away from that just by watching others be successful. Always be yourself unless you can be Dalvin Cook. Then you be Dalvin cook if you can uh before we let you go we can't thank you enough you're in

the middle of a work day joining us do you have like any uh weird diets or do you get like acupuncture or any of that uh that type of you do the acupuncture yeah that's what you just big yes any other things that we should know about to maybe make me a better athlete yeah if you're trying to come out the booth, Pat, I got you. Yeah, my diet is I got meal prep, not Pacific on each day. You know, whatever my chef throws at me, you know, he pretty much, you know, my weight. Acupuncture, yeah, I do that probably twice a week. You know, I get my massages same way

um and i just pretty much try to stay ahead of the curveball you know early in the week i try to get on my cardio as much as i can because on wednesdays and thursdays i might have flying around in practice you know pushing myself like it's game day you know i'm getting game reps you know wednesdays and thursdays and it's the same way on Friday. And I kind of shut it down until Sunday. So, you know, that's my week. I think being disciplined with your routine is a big deal. I think that's what I've learned from the people who are at the top of their professions. It's like it's a very disciplined, like, hey, this is what we do.

This is the schedule. On this day we do this. On this day we do this. Then the outcome is this. And it's like a very, it's a routine-based thing. question for you before we let you go i can't thank you enough for joining us uh aj dylan of the green bay packers tested positive for covid uh and played the entire game okay so now jamal williams is out because it was close contact tracing and all that and there's stories floating around on the internet that aj dylan he went to dinner with his girlfriend uh

terrible human by the way should not absolutely terrible human should he went to dinner with his girlfriend. Terrible human, by the way. Absolutely terrible human. Should not go to dinner with his girlfriend on her birthday or whatever. So have you guys been asked or have you been just under the assumption that you just have to go home and go to work and go home and go to work? Like, is that kind of the mindset on how the hell you get through a 2020 NFL season with all this COVID? Because COVID could be anywhere. That son of a bitch could be under your bed. You have no idea. Is that kind of the mindset?

Is it just like, I go to work and I go home? I go to work and I go home. And how hard has that been mentally on anything? Or is it just like it's a part of your routine now? Yeah, that's pretty much what I took from the program called Day One. And it was like, you know, stay away from large groups, large crowds, you know, the restaurants and all that stuff. And that's pretty much, you know stay away from large groups large crowds um you know the restaurants and all that stuff and that's pretty much you know what we do you know sometimes we go

to go to dinner with your girlfriend your wife's um you know you just just try to get away from the game and ease your mind but now the protocol changes every week due to guys getting it. What I pretty much took from it was that just practice, home, back to practice, back to home, travel because you got to travel. That's about it. It's just pretty much like we're in the outside bubble.

You got to conduct ourselves like that to keep people safe. I think that's pretty much the key taken from it, practicing back home. Hey, Dalvin, it's going to take all of us, man. It's going to take all of us. We appreciate you so much. Keep crushing it, okay?

Tell all the boys in the locker room we appreciate them. And hell of a day, man. You'll remember this forever. I hope you do at least. That's an incredible accomplishment, especially in Lambeau on the road. Ladies and gentlemen, Dalvin Cook. Appreciate you, man. South Florida guys,

you know, with any word that starts with S-T, they replace the T with a K, and it is awesome. Love it. Yeah. Hey, I just go straight to it. You know what I mean? That is one thing I do miss about the locker room being in It is awesome. Love it. Yeah. Hey, I just go straight to it. You know what I mean? It is. That is one thing I do miss about the locker room being in is the dialect and the lingo

coming in from all the different places is, whoa, from Louisiana, whenever that came into my life, I was very intrigued. I'm like, oh, we just say whoa after everything? And they're like, whoa, not you. Okay, that's okay. Hey, sorry, Will. I'll keep that straight. You know what I mean?

Let's go to some phone calls. Dalvin Cook. Hey, you go to work, you go home. Okay? Yeah. Dalvin Cook plays for the Minnesota Vikings. It's a shame that you had to hear him talk about his dedication to the team because he knows that it takes all of us.

When, you know, A.J. Dillon's going out to a birthday dinner with his girlfriend. What a bad guy that guy is. I mean, he forgot for a split second. Can't do it. And you just can't. You just can't. It takes all of us. It takes all of us all the time.

And we're not talking about voting, by the way. We're talking about getting through a goddamn NFL season. Yeah, we are. No lapses. Here we are, 41 minutes into this Wednesday, November 4th. And last night, yesterday, there was an election, you know, where people were electing things. And shout out to Rainwater. He did register in the gubernatorial race here in Indiana, but he did not win.

Yeah, yeah. Rainwater made a good run with the Libertarian Party, but he did not win. But there are some winners that we would like to announce today. Because if you think about it, week eight had finished, right? We're're going into week nine we are currently in the middle of that week on wednesday so that would be like 8.5 weeks into an nfl season how many total weeks is in an nfl season if i can do the steve kornacki thing here 17 what's 17 divided by 2 8.5 where are we at right now we are in the exact middle of the season it is time to give our exact middle of the season awards okay we will run through these awards we have picked a few that we would like to give out you

will understand a few of them obviously because they are standard awards like for instance we would like to give the middle of the season award to the worst team to potentially ever play in the NFL. And it was a hot, hot start for a lot of teams in sucking, obviously. But there's one team that has kind of rose to the top in the most suck fest, suck festival that they could possibly do. A lot of people are saying that they are trying to lose game a lot of people are saying that this team is attempting to get one trevor lawrence out of

clemson that team that won the middle of the season award for worst team of all time ladies and gentlemen congrats to the new york jets York Jets. Congratulations. Congrats, New York Jets. Really good job out of you guys. Then, obviously, if you have the worst teams, you know, just missed it. If you have the worst team, you have to obviously have an award for the best team.

And the best team, if you go into this season, you think, you know what? The reigning, defending, undisputed Super Bowl champs who somehow signed everybody to their team that was up for contract negotiation. Chris Jones, back. Travis Kelsey, back. Andy Reid, back.

Sammy Watkins, back. GM Veach, back. They paid Patrick Mahomes a half a billion dollars. That team was definitely on track to win the exact middle of the season Pat McAfee Show Award for Best Team. But what they ran into was potentially a lackadaisical evening against the Oakland Raiders. So us being a legitimate organization with legitimate awards

that would like to be taken seriously, we have to take that into account. We can only give it to the only undefeated team congratulations to the pittsburgh steelers one year removed from having a duck play quarterback and a quarterback who's got his helmet taken off and beaten head with it by another grown man the pittsburgh steelers now are undefeated the defense is flying around making plays i think they're the only defense in the history of the sport or something to have like three sacks and a turnover in every single game, basically, for seven straight games. They're 7-0. They had an early bye week.

Will that hurt them in the long run? Will they be able to withstand the pressures of a long NFL season with no bye week in sight? Will Ben Roethlisberger's new elbow, that is very fresh with new ligaments and no longer meat-beating situation happening, will he be able to maintain the level of football that it will take to get to the mountaintop? We have no idea, and that's not what this award is.

This award is strictly on this Wednesday, eight and a half weeks into a 17-week season. The best team in football, without a doubt, is the Pittsburgh Steelers., is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's move on to our next award, the Stooge of the season. Now, when you think of Stooges in the NFL, boy, a lot of names pop in your head. You start thinking of refs. Maybe back in the day, you would think of Alberto Riveron. Before we learned that Alberto Riveron was set up to fail basically by the NFL.

And I feel bad for everything I said about Alberto Riveron because Alberto Riveron was in a situation where he was being tasked to do things that just wasn't making common sense at all. He was a fall guy basically for the pass interference review rule, getting taken out of the game because of how bad he did it. But really the NFL asked him to take it to a different standard that just wasn't, made no sense. So I would take Alberto Riveron's name completely out of Stooges' conversation.

I hope you will as well. Then obviously there's Adam Gase. From the beginning, he was signed as a New York Jet head coach. That press conference with his big-ass eyes to how everything has kind of unfolded since then. You would say Adam Gase was the favorite going into the season to be the Stoogge of this NFL season. But no, no, my friend.

A man came out of his basement in Wisconsin to become the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Ladies and gentlemen, stooge of the year, eight and a half weeks into this 2020 NFL season. Congrats, Mike McCarthy. Yeah, boys! Congrats, Mike! I love it, Mike!

Mike McCarthy looked like he forgot that he was in the NFL there for a few weeks. He looked like he had his headset on, but nobody was listening or talking to him. He was wandering the sideline. Nobody would talk to him. Nobody would listen to him. It didn't even feel like he was even saying words at certain times. His locker room turned against him. They started leaking information six weeks into the thing.

He obviously loses his franchise quarterback, which was not his fault at all. But for whatever reason, this guy was tasked with turning around the Dallas Cowboys, making them a contender, a team that is forced on national television every single weekend and one that we would enjoy watching. But the only thing that has happened is disappointment, terrible football, the locker room's a complete toxic mess, and he's getting rid of everybody. Is it directly McCarthy's fault for being the biggest stooge of the 2020 NFL season so far? No. It's the situation. It's primetime

television every week and it seems like everything is just kind of unfolding in front of him and he has no idea it's even fucking happening. So that is why we had to give it to Big Mike, even though it hurts my heart because he's a Pittsburgh guy and he might, by the way, turn the Cowboys around going forward. That is not what this award is.

This award is just to tell you eight and a half weeks into the 2020 NFL season, we believe that – well, actually, the judges did. Mike McCarthy, biggest stooge at the NFL. Congratulations. Nice job, Mike. Big old fat stooge. Connor. Connor.

We don't body shame here. What? Come on, Connor. What? We don't. It's just stooge, bro. That was the award. It was just stooge.

I combined the big Mike with the big stooge. Yeah, but then you added a couple words. A body shame. There's no reason to do that. Big mic doesn't need that right now. He's got enough on his fucking plate, doesn't he? Too much, some would say. Oh, my God.

Take it easy. Also, middle of the season award for best coach in the NFL goes to a man who gets no credit ever for anything. He just passed Tony Dungy for being the winningest African-American coach in the history of the NFL, a Super Bowl champion, a man who's not scared to talk shit. He uses massive words in a way to distract the media from asking any other questions.

From the Pittsburgh Steelers, the only undefeated team, Mike Taubman. Yeah, boy! Congratulations, coach. Congratulations, Coach C. Congrats, Mike Taubman. Congrats, Mike Taubman. Last year, he should have got coach of the year as well for leading that offense in that team that had no offense almost in a playoff, strictly off the defense

side of the ball. He's a defensive coach, so when you have the best defense in football, a defense that will be talked about, a defense that has been winning you a lot of your games that you're undefeated, you have to win best coach. Congrats to Mike Taubman. Will he be able to finish it off with no bye week? His answer was, we do not care, but we will find out if his players' bodies do care

because that is a long run to go on. Congrats to Coach Tomlin. The next award is for the best rookie so far in this 2020 NFL season. And no surprise, it comes from the same goddamn team. Oh. A lot of people would say Justin Herbert should be up there for Rookie of the Year. I agree. He's played unbelievable football, okay?

He got in there, obviously, because Tyrod Taylor got a golf tee shoved through his lungs 10 minutes before the game against the Kansas City Chiefs, and he's played great football ever since then, but they haven't been able to win. They've had leads of 17, 17, and 21, losing all three of them. That has to be a heartbreaker for the Chargers fans, and you know you got a guy going forward. Joey Burrow, he's been unbelievable at football. They just pick up their first win, blowing out the Titans in spectacular fashion. He's going to be great going forward, but I think if you were to judge rookie on performance and outcome of this

season, you have to go with the guy from Canada that Tony Romo so cleverly called Mapletron. Ladies and gentlemen, Chase Clayton. He's currently sitting at four overall in the odds whenever you go to the sports books for rookie of the year. I think that is a good bet. He has seven touchdowns in seven games in his NFL career. I assume that's only going to build as he and Ben Roethlisberger continue to grow their

relationship. Now, best tight end is a guy who's been on this show in the last couple weeks, scoring touchdowns every single weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, Travis Kelsey. And the last award, this is a big one now. This is an award

that we will give out that nobody else, congrats Trav, by the way. It just showed up. Congrats, Trav. And I didn't give you much of a chance, you know. I was actually going to steamroll past it to give you the next one. The award for the exact middle of the season, Pat McAfee show award, for the coolest dude in the NFL.

This one was a runaway. Okay. Well, early in the season, you ask this question, a lot of people go, oh, there's probably a lot of cool dudes out there. Patrick Mahomes, super cool dude. He likes ketchup. He's cool. Tom Brady, super cool dude. He eats avocado ice cream. AQ Shipley, super cool

guy. Plays center for the Buccaneers. We like him a lot. The coolest. Lamar Jackson, super cool. Super cool. Maybe the coolest. Kyler Murray, he seems to be playing pretty cool. Cliff Kingsbury's got that drug lord mansion that looks like he sold, I don't know, 15, 16 kilos in the morning out there.

He's a cool dude. There's a lot of cool Andy Reid cool dudes. But there's no question about it. The coolest dude in the NFL is a man that we've all learned about every single goddamn Tuesday. Aaron Rodgers. Congrats, Aaron. Congrats, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah! Congrats, Aaron.

Congrats, Aaron Rodgers. Congrats, Rod. Congrats on being a cool student in the NFL here on the Pat Magnus Show. Middle of the season awards. We'll obviously do that next year, eight and a half weeks into the season. And that's really our only award show. We should have wore ties and suits, but we didn't know it was happening until this morning.

What's going on, Tote? Since Zito can't do it, I'm monitoring the group chat a little bit and no real complaints except for there was a couple of other nominees for Biggest Stooge. Billy O'Brien and the Packers front office. Yeah, Billy O'Brien's no longer in the league, though. True. So he was fired. Packers front office definitely made a late push.

They did. They made a very late push into yesterday, and to be honest, the votes weren't already tallied. You see, the thing about it is the votes were already tallied in the Biggestooge mike mccarthy was a runaway but the green bay packers front office was making a real late push after hours and we had to make a decision for our award show i don't know how other elections are going wherever but for ours we had to say he's our stooge we're sticking with it, you know, turn away the rest of the ballots that were coming in. Which is kind of a shame,

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you look good today andrew you know i'm Andrew. You know, I'm dressed up. It's my last class of the semester. How about that? Early November, because Villanova moved it up so much because they want to get the kids examined and out of there before Thanksgiving. Well, that's a great move. It's education these days, getting them all out by Thanksgiving. You come in, we got no actual classes.

Stay in your room and then get out of here early. But we're still charging full tuition so we can pay guys like Andrew Brandt to teach classes that are... What were you teaching? Sports law and business. Oh, wow. Let's get into some sports law and some sports business. By the way, shout out to them having the best teacher probably in this profession that you could possibly have in Andrew Brandt. Those kids, hopefully they pass all the tests.

Let's see if we can pass some tests. The Packers are the dumbest organization I've ever seen in my entire life for not making any moves yesterday. When you have a team that is this close to winning the Super Bowl, Andrew Brandt, this damn close, they do nothing. They sit on Aaron Rodgers' greatness

that'll lead them to success, but never the ultimate prize. How did you see yesterday going? And am I completely wrong for saying what I just said? Hey, the whole Twitterati is coming at me like I still work there. I haven't been there in 10 years. But listen, I get it. You know, they haven't surrounded Aaron with the weapons that people know.

It's Devontae and a bunch of guys people haven't heard of. I get it. And Will Fuller was right there for the taking. But here's my defense of the team you see with the helmet there. My defense is Will Fuller is, was, is a free agent. He's got eight games left on a contract. So my thought is that the reason it broke down was not so much if they could figure out a second, a third, a fourth round pick. It's what about next year? Can we get a contract done? And now they're trying

to negotiate a contract where the market, like a Keenan Allen, a Mari Cooper market, is like $19, $20 million a year when they've got a guy on the roster named Devontae Adams making $14, $15 a year. That's not going to happen. So Will Fuller's agent's probably like, hey, you want to do a deal? I'll do a deal. But it's not gonna be anything like Devontae Adams. And that's a problem. That's one reason why I couldn't get done. If I'm the Packers, I'll give up a low round pick for an eight game rental, but I won't give up a high pick for an eight game rental without that contract coming out. So I'm just trying to let you know, your listeners know, why this was a tough deal to do.

If they want to do some other Texans receiver, Brandon Cooks or Randall Cobb, bring him back, or Kenny Stills, yeah, no problem. But for this guy, Fuller, he's a problem. And it's strictly because whenever you're making those trades, and by the way, I would assume it was a lot of our listeners and watchers that were coming after you because boy we had some venom yesterday at the green bay packers didn't we i mean we had some real venom and their lack of wanting to win when

you have aaron rogers and instead just wanting to win with your own people because that's the organization that you built because you're the general manager and have an ego yeah well said and even if they didn't get Fuller, Andrew, like what about, I mean, they don't do anything to address the defense either, which clearly is basically the same defense last year. Like, I mean, so. Hold on, Brayton, I have a question now for you.

Whenever you're trading for- Wait, let me just say. Hold on, hold on. You can get to that in a second, but let's get back to your Will Fuller trade thing and then contract thing. Is that all happening during the trade talk is when Will Fuller and thing and then contract thing. Is that all happening during the trade talk is when Will Fuller and the Packers are talking or Will Fuller is potentially going to be a Packer.

How much is the agent involved in that? Is that just team conversation? At what point does the agent come in and say, oh, if he's going to go to the Packers, then we want to talk to the Packers to see if we can renegotiate a deal. And is that normal for every type of trade? I didn't know that agents even gotten involved in it unless they're trying to move their deal. And is that normal for every type of trade? I didn't know that agents even gotten involved in it unless they're trying to move their player. How's that whole thing work out? Well, I'm speaking from a team point of view, even though I'm on the agent side now.

From a team point of view, I would be doing that. I would not want to acquire Will Fuller or someone who's going to be contract up next year without knowing we have him. I use the word rental. It's a real word. You don't want to bring a guy in, especially you're not going to get this week because of COVID. So it's only going to be seven games and then have them leave or build them up for a big contract somewhere else. So

I would from the front office. Yes, I'd be involved. The agent gets involved. It's a companion negotiation, the trade side of it and the compensation side of it. Now, you've seen general managers not do that, specifically Bill O'Brien, where they bring in Laramie Tencel for two number ones, and they don't do a deal, which gave him the most extraordinary leverage ever, because once the deal's done, he's like, hey, you traded two ones for me, give me the biggest contract in the history of offensive lineman which he got so you have to do it at the time from a team point of view and i think that was going on with fuller so there's no there's nothing to like the you said building him up for a massive contract somewhere else there's nothing to like um you know you see like a lot of uh influencers or uh up-and-coming

celebrities they go out to los angeles for like a month and they rent like the most expensive Lamborghini to drive around. And it probably gets them into some places. It probably gets them in some photo shoots. If you bring in Will Fuller, this Lamborghini that you rent, and you win a game that you shouldn't win, isn't that enough to be like, oh yeah, if you want to go make money somewhere else, you can do that. Or do you think Will Fuller's people were like, we're not getting traded unless we have a long-term deal in place? I think the Packers approached Will Fuller's people about a deal. I think Will Fuller's people are looking at it like, okay, we've got a recent market out there. We got Michael Thomas. Maybe he's not Michael Thomas, but we got Keenan Allen. We got Amari Cooper. We got all these deals. Let's do a deal. Fine. And then the Packers are

like, well, wait, wait, wait, wait. Devante took less to be with Aaron. Are you not going to do that? So that's the situation. I think that's what happened. I think the Packers generally, listen, I get these questions. It's been that way for 20 years. I was part of it. So yes, you can blame me. They're not a team that goes for quick fix free agents or trades never have been well yeah yeah but the nfl hasn't been that way for a long time now you got other nfc teams doing it you got the seattle seahawks who i mean they did build up in free agency they had to lose people but the nfl has become a much more let's fix this problem now let's go win this thing type of league i mean the saints are $100 million over the cap next year.

That would have never happened 10, 15 years ago. The NFL used to be a sit-around. The NBA would do a lot of trades. Now the NFL is getting, like, hot. The NFL is doing a lot of movements, which, by the way, in your agency world is good for you right now. But when it comes to the teams, and you see every other NFC team get get better but your team it's like okay

i can understand this is how the packers have always been but i feel like the nfl was always that way and there's a little bit of a uh a change happening you know like yeah i mean here's the thing pat i saw you say this yesterday this is a different organization because we don't have an owner and you know here's the best thing about the Packers from working there. We didn't have an owner. Here's potentially the worst thing about working there. We don't have an owner. Right. So this was something where some owner could walk into a room in those discussions and this happens around the league and say, damn it, stop. We're doing this. And that could be a good thing. And that could be a bad thing.

I used to talk to my buddies with other teams. And they're like, yeah, I've been working on this deal for four months. But my owner came in and said, get it done in an hour. And like, oh, boy, that sucks. You know, you lost all your leverage. But on the other hand, you're working on something the owner says, Listen, I know it's tough, but I'm going to put in another million dollars. Let's do this right now. So I always felt we had an inferiority complex with the league because we sit around that table. I'm next to Jeff Laurie and Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones. And they're like, yeah, yeah, little Green Bay, fine. Pat you on your back. You go back to your little town in Wisconsin. And I'm like, okay, well, what about Goodell? You know, well, we don't have a billionaire owner to sort of apply influence.

Even though we're always a good team, we've always got franchise quarterbacks. That was always a feeling we had in Green Bay. Yeah, and you guys are going to continue that term with Jordan Love over there. Did you like that move or hate that move, the trade up into the first round to get another quarterback? I mean, it was there 15 years ago. We did the same damn thing. No, no, you didn't trade up. No, you didn't trade up. The trade up into the first round to get another quarterback? I mean, it was there 15 years ago. We did the same damn thing. No, no, you didn't trade up.

No, you didn't trade up. The trade up was different. Yeah, I mean, they wanted that player. Listen, we don't know what he's going to play like, but Packer fans are the most spoiled fans in the history of sports because Spoiled bracket. Spoiled bracket. Because they've had 30 years of franchise quarterback play.

30 years. One Super play. 30 years. One Super Bowl. No one's had that. And the goal is this guy brings it to 45 years. Now, who the hell knows? But, yeah, I was surprised they moved up for him. And I'm surprised because our buddy Aaron, now there's a separation point. I never thought I'd say that three months, six months ago,

that we have an expiration date on Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. I never thought I'd say that. months, six months ago, that we have an expiration date on Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. I never thought I'd say that. Yeah, four more years, man. We're hoping for it. Go ahead, Connor. Andrew, for guys like Stephon Gilmore who didn't get moved at the deadline and was getting shopped around, is it kind of guaranteed that after the season they'll kind of try

and move him again, or is he going to get an extension? How does that work? Yeah, I mean, that's going to be a problem area where they've got to figure that out. You know, these guys that are waiting like Fuller, like McKinley at Atlanta, like Gilmore. I mean, these are guys that are kind of playing out the string. You sense that there's going to be separation. It didn't happen right away, but you sense it's going to happen later. You know, I think communication has to happen with those guys like today, like we didn't work it out.

You're still part of this and we are into you. You know, we'll address everything else after the season because I think there's communication issues that need to happen like now with those guys. Last question before we let you go. And we always love your brain and your experience and the way you talk is just so much smarter. You're a professor. You get it.

You're smart. I'm dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're healthy i'm not yeah like the um that situation in atlanta with matt ryan he has a hundred million dollars owed to him over like the next three years or whatever new gm going in there new head coach going in there if you're the contract dude for the general manager whoever that is what do you do with that do Do you try to approach Matt Ryan to see if he'll restructure? And if you're Matt Ryan, you would never. Why would you? If you're trying to set up, trying to build a new team,

which you're a new GM, a new head coach, you're trying to build this team up your way, how do you get around that contract? And who knows what the salary cap is going to be next year? How do you handle that situation, which is going to be a massive anchor for the Atlanta Falcons if they want to do a rebuild down there? They look like a rebuild, and a rebuild is not going to have a $35 million quarterback. So they've got to figure that out. Again, communication with Matt Ryan's agency,

where are we going with this? Because is it better to start fresh? You know, I'm going to talk to you a lot in January, February about this COVID impact on the cap. There's going to be bloodletting like we've never seen before in February and March. What's that mean? What do you mean? Like guys getting cut. We always see cuts, you know, in February and March. But big-time players, big numbers.

If the cap goes down to 175, Jesus, there's teams right now at 250 for next year, 280. So this is going to be something we look at. You know, when you think of matt ryan when you think of kirk cousins guess where i'm thinking san francisco 49ers you know there is history with with shanahan on both those guys and we talk about teams maybe rebuilding we don't know yet i know you had dalvin cook on vikings seem playing better But we don't know where that's going to go with those two franchises. So would a change happen in San Francisco? Because you always look at where's the familiarity?

Shanahan, familiarity with those two guys. Imagine Matt Ryan goes over to San Francisco. They get up 28-3 in a Super Bowl. Oh, no. And they win. Whoa! Imagine if that was that. And Matt Ryan, how's the San Francisco 49ers cap next year?

Would they be able to afford the $29.9 million, I think, is what it is next year for Matt Ryan? They are good on that? They've done a great job. Garoppolo can be ejected, if you will, without a lot of pain, the way they structured that contract. So they've done a good job with that cap. Oh, so there's an early call right there.

Matt Ryan's going to the San Francisco 49ers next year, which leads to the answer to the question that's been asked by everybody today is jimmy g's last snap but the niners already happened it feels like what andrew brant saying is yeah absolutely yeah it sounds like it ladies and gentlemen businesses what's that i'm not saying it's kind of it's kind of what i'm saying from the cap point of view you talk about a rebuilding team. They don't want a $35 million quarterback. So we'll see. Ladies and gentlemen, every time we talk to you, we feel like you're like,

I'm a lawyer. I'm going both sides. Smart. Andrew Brett. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate you, boss. Thanks.

Oh, man. Jimmy G's out. Yeah, they could save like $24 million, I think, if they cut him. Cut Jimmy G? Yeah. And then they could save like $24 million, I think, if they cut him. Cut Jimmy G? Yeah. And then you bring in $29.9 million. It's just like, all right, we added $5.9 million. It's not really a $30 million addition.

It's only a $5 million addition because you're swapping out the quarterbacks. Matt Ryan in that offense with Shanahan was very, very good. Very good. Very, very good. And we know that the Niners were interested in Tom Brady. So it's not like they're not looking into old or quarterbacks they can't move or anything like that andrew brandt that's a big move i wish we could bet on that somehow like can we i think that's probably

gonna happen there's no way the falcons new gm and head coach is like you know what you're tasking me with rebuilding this star team but there's two players here that i owe 200 million dollars to over the next three years and and Julio Jones and Matt Ryan. Something's going to have to give, I would assume. And Niners makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense for them. Do you think he would restructure his contract at

all, incentives, whatever, if he were to go to the Niners? I don't know. If I'm Matt Ryan, I ain't restructuring shit. No. Okay. I'm getting $100 million. There's no way I'm going to earn that amount of money ever again. It's going to be tough to talk me off that, but Matt Ryan's probably already made like a hundred million dollars. So that's a very different conversation he's having with people about money

that I'm having with money. What's that time? If Jimmy G ends up being done with the Niners, do you think he'll ever, I mean, well, or at least for this next team, is he going to be a starting quarterback again?

Cause no one's going to pay him what he's been. He's going to have to take like a million dollars. Yeah, exactly. He's going to get like a, hopefully post like a Jameis deal, like a Jameis type deal. Oh man.

Yeah. That's, I think it's gonna be like a Jameis type deal and not an Andy Dalton type deal. In the Andy Dalton deal, backup quarterbacks next year are going to make league men. I think everywhere. If we're talking about a cap hit that the COVID is taking into it.

And him saying, what was it, a bloodletting? Yes. So he's just saying people are sawed down. Goodbye to, insert name of premier player for this team, and let's dump that news with other news. This person's also cut and Jerry Jones is going to wait until the end

and boom! See you Zeke Amari Cooper and everybody else. I mean, it's going to be a wild offseason. What's up, Diggs? So the Falcons are next season. They're 30th in the league in cap. They're already $25 million over, so they're going to have to do something about that.

Yeah, they're going to have to make moves. Joining us via satellite. Just a FaceTime, actually. Imagine back in the day whenever people had to do shows like this and tech and everything like that. I mean, it had to be a nightmare. They had to zoom something up to a satellite, and then that thing had to get shot over to one of them big-ass trucks,

and then the truck had to have a wire behind it, you know, the whole thing. Now we've just got a guy sitting in an attic smoking 45 cigars, calling in national champion, Super Bowl champion A.J. Locke. Yeah! Baby bird in there, too. What's going on, bub? Yeah, what's happening, guys? I caught a little bit of the Andrew Brandt talk.

I didn't get to see all of it, but my favorite part was Ty just subtly saying, that's a tired take. They've been the most spoiled fans for the last 25 years or something. Ty just disgusted by that take. There was a couple times where we went at Andrew Brandt today. And you know, Andrew Brandt is a good guy, by the way.

And Andrew Brandt is a very knowledgeable person. And if we didn't think he could take that, I don't think we would do it. But there was a couple things he said where I had to point out, like, okay, I know the Green Bay Packers never used to do it, but the NFL never used to do it either. And everybody's changing and you have a team and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But his explanation about the Will Fuller thing was very interesting. And I could see how that could be a problem.

But if Will Fuller's people didn't want an extension and you're Green Bay and you view it strictly as this is a Ferrari rental here for the next however many weeks we go on or however many run we go on. And he didn't want a long-term extension in the trade deal. Then I still think you fucked it up. Like, I still think it's not that. You know what I mean? I still think it's a win-win there. If Will Fuller's healthy and the guy, which he obviously thought he was potentially that thing, you know?

and the guy, which they obviously thought he was potentially that thing, you know? Well, I think for Will Fuller, if he was looked at as like a short-term rental and the Packers were up front and said, hey, we're not going to re-sign you and pay you $20 million a year, pay you more than Devontae, this is going to be, let's go make a run at it. Let's go try to get a ring, and guess what? You're going to drive your value up for whoever you sign with after this year. So I think it's a win-win for everybody. I mean, I'm sure eventually all the details may come out on who really held that up,

but I feel like for Will Fuller to get off a losing team and to get to go catch touchdowns from Aaron Rodgers, that's a decent situation. That was the thing that I thought you were leaving off in the entire conversation, if you're the Green Bay Packers, having with Will Fuller, like, hey, this is a rental. We're going to go win some games.

We're going to drive up your value, blah, blah, blah. And then also, oh, by the way, you're going to be catching footballs from aaron rogers and davante adams is on the other side he eats up a double team as well and let's not even get started about big bob tunyon over there in the middle so i think there's a lot that you could have sold if you're like hey we're not going to negotiate you a five-year 100 million dollar deal here like that's not what this is this is a hey we're trying to get from a to. You are the fastest way for us to potentially get there. That's what we're trying to do. But it feels like Gunter Kuntz is just loading up for the future.

That's what it feels like, doesn't it? It feels like Gunter Kuntz is loading up for the future so that he can say that he built it from the ground up, which, by the way, I have a lot of respect for if it works. And if it doesn't, you're a guy that potentially just ruined an entire fucking great opportunity to potentially go win a Super Bowl that doesn't happen anywhere on a regular basis outside of New England for the last 20 years. So there's a couple different

ways to look at it. That's right. We'll see. We'll see how it plays out. We'll see. But Ty said that he feels like, what'd you say, Ty? I feel like I can see Rodgers leaving just right in front of my fucking face, just right in front of my eyes. And there's nothing I can do about it. I can't do a goddamn thing, AJ, but it's right there. He's gone, dude, especially with that new salary cap next year. Is there a chance that Aaron Rodgers is out of town with that new salary cap just next year because Goon Takunis doesn't want him there to begin with and he could save some money? And Jordan Love, quarterback of the future, is there.

And the San Francisco 49ers are potentially going to be in the running for a new quarterback. Maybe Matt Ryan out of Atlanta because he's had success with Kyle Shanahan before, but it seems like Jimmy G's days are done there. And you bring Aaron Rodgers right back home because Green Bay is looking to move on and cut some money. Do you think that is staring us all right in the middle of the fucking eyes and we just haven't even noticed it, AJ?

No. I do not think Aaron will be gone after that. You're saying this would be his last season in Green Bay. No, no. No, I wasn't. I mean, that's what Pat spun it into that I said that. But, no, I think I could start to see the writing on the wall a lot more clearly now. I just got a spam phone number, by the way.

I think that's potentially going to tell me I'm on to something. Uh-oh, probably. Just want to get on my phone right there. I don't know. But if they drop the salary cap down to whatever it is now, to $170,000, they're acting as if this is a massive cut. Andrew Brandt said there's going to be bloodletting. There's going to be people cut from teams strictly for salary purposes

that we would have never expected before. And if you're Gunter Kuntz, you already traded up to go make your play for your quarterback, the guy that you want your team to be remembered for in the first-round draft pick quarterback. And you can save money off of Aaron Rodgers. Is there anything Aaron Rodgers is there anything Aaron Rodgers can do right now and make him make Gunter Kuhn say like you know Aaron Rodgers can be my guy too you know may the Gunter Kuhn's ever think that maybe he could just say like yeah Aaron

Rodgers is my guy too and the answer is no because that's why he drafted Jordan Love he hates that Aaron Rodgers is so damn good right now well but what you're forgetting for any of this to happen for them to feel comfortable moving on from Aaron they're going to have to feel really really good about jordan love and do you think it shows well for jordan love that he doesn't dress on game day like that doesn't mean they can't feel amazing about him right now well they did trade up to get him right they traded up to get him and they said that's our guy they traded out of god and it still might be their guy they may not know that but obviously he's not the backup right now. So you're telling me he's going to go from

not dressing to just thrust into the starting row and you're going to get rid of one of the greatest ever to play the game? Is that not what Gunter Kuntz has already said that he basically wants to do by doing what he already did? Isn't that kind of what Gunter Kuntz wants to do? Maybe Tim Boyle will be the starting quarterback. Oh, yeah. What's that, pal? I don't know. Maybe in two more

seasons, they if they if the packers aren't winning and aaron doesn't look like he does now but no he's playing anywhere near that he's playing right now how could you move on i understand it's on a rookie contract but a rookie first round draft pick contract is pretty good right and i think it's pretty good yeah and if they're just slicing and dicing deals or whatever you think they're gonna cut jordan love in the next two years no right there's no no chance Jordan Love is going to be there for at least the next couple years. If he's not the guy. If they feel like he's not the guy, I would give them a lot of credit for cutting Jordan Love.

I'm not saying they should. I don't want them to have to do that. Yeah, we'd give them a lot of credit for doing a lot of things that they won't do at AJ. But how could they do that at this point and cut him and say he's not the guy when they've never seen him have in-game reps? Not now. You can't do it now. But let's say two years down the road. Yeah. I don't know. oh no not now you can't do it now but let's say event like two years down the road yeah if they i don't know i'm not saying you cut them i mean what if you you got to put

them in at some point and see what you have whenever that time comes and then how long is the least you let them go eight nine ten games i don't know you know what's interesting is it was very obvious yesterday if you listen to the reporters that break news all the time lafleur wanted to make a move and gunter kunz didn't right that was that was the overall like the the whole we were getting backstories of lafleur and will fuller knowing each other since 2014 from some insiders it's like well who pointed that out to the insider was that somebody in the floors camp was that somebody that just knows like who's doing it doing it? And then a report comes out. There are disagreements at the highest level.

It's like, well, they don't have an owner, so who is it? That has to be, is that Gunther Gunther's old buddy that used to be there? What's his name? Ted Thompson. Ted Thompson. Are they the ones disagreeing? And if that's the case, Ted Thompson wins there, I would assume. Or is it potentially LaFleur and Gunther Gunther that are disagreeing on this entire thing?

And now, by the way, shout out to LeFleur being like, hey, hey, I had to clap on draft night, okay, when you gave me no more weapons. I had to be like, yeah, this is a good move, but now we can do this. Let's go ahead and do that. I like that out of LeFleur. And I wonder if that's LeFleur like trying to show his team like, hey, I want us to win right now too, you know?

I'm sure it is. A lot of times, though, the head coach doesn't have a whole lot of power when it comes to acquiring Packers right now. Mark Murphy's the president. He's the closest thing you have to an owner, I guess. And Russ Ball, I don't know what his title is. He was trying to become the next GM. Goody got it.

Now Russ Ball is like director of pro – I don't know what his title may be, but those three guys are the ones making the decision. But I don't think any of us know who has the most power between the three. All right, let's pivot off here. How do i become the president of the packers and does that make me like an owner am i just like an owner then if i do that i guess next time they uh you know they open it up and you can get uh pay 250 bucks to get that share maybe you can still be an owner and the president i like that smart yeah that's what you do by the way i'm not buying into that franchise right now until they buy into themselves.

They need to figure out how to fucking go and get it. I've been a fan of that team for, what, eight and a half weeks at this point? Yeah. And I'm already fed up with the front office sitting at the wheel. You know what I mean? Take the car, move it into the far left lane, and fucking go, pal. Okay? We got the car to do it.

All right? This is Autobahn. All right? This isn't school zone, pal. Get to the left hammer that thing flat and let's win a super bowl we got a guy let's go to the promised land but it doesn't seem like that's what they're about they're about perpetual greatness i was told that i don't understand that they're about being great all the time it's like well are you great are you good

okay and let's let's start separating the two let's start the two here. And are you at that point where you can – these are the conversations that – you know what? It's going to take me a little bit to be a full fan here, but I feel like I'm starting to experience some potential heartaches that Packers fans experience on a pretty regular basis. Well, and that's what I mean by, like, the tired take stuff in terms of being spoiled by two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. It's because you're right, you do get spoiled by it.

Like, after a while, it's not just like, well, I guess we won the NFC North last year. That was pretty sweet. It's like, who gives a shit? They do that every year. I mean, you've had two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, and you've got two Super Bowls to show for it. It just, I mean, it's tough to swallow. And you had A.J. Hawk. And you had A.J. Hawk.

It's kind of like, you know what they are? They're like a product of their own success. It's like Dabo. Dabo comes in after every game now and has to yell at the media. Like, someone die in here? What are we doing? Someone die? Like, sorry, we had a great win today. Like, Dabo, they have built up the expectations so high to where,

what, it sounded just like it, didn't it? Yeah, it did. People can't handle, like, winning by 21 points. Like, they just can't do it. Like, oh, it didn't look good enough for you. Mack Brown said that it got to a point when he was at Texas, when he knew it was probably past his time to leave Texas or whatever after a long run. He said winning games was a relief.

Okay. Because the expectations are so high. When he would win, it was a relief. And then whenever they would lose, it was devastating. So there's no moment of like happiness. There was no like, yeah, we won. It was like, all right, thank God we got past that one. Let's go to the next one.

And it was like a devastating loss. And it's if you're one of those teams that's way up there, like that's just how it is. That's how it becomes. And it can happen in any profession, at any level, in anything. Whenever you have this expectation of being, you know, great all the time, it's like you get to a point where once you're great, you're like, oh, thank God we're still good.

Oh, thank God we're still good. But then once you don't be, it's like, well, they stink. Let's get the hell out of here. It's a wild, wild thing to have high expectations. But you know what? You earn them. You earn those expectations, AJ. Those nerves you feel before the big game, big show, you've earned those nerves because you got yourself to this point.

Ain't that right, AJ? Yeah, you're an inspirational speaker, man. You should travel the country once everything lifts and you can get out there. No. Let's go to Pepe in Mexico. This guy should. This guy should.

What's up, Pepe? What's up, guys? Happy hump day. How are we doing? Keep it moving. Hey, how you doing? Keep it moving, Pepe. Everything's good up here.

How are you? Very good, sir. Senor Macafee, I don't want to be taking as much of your time, but I have two things that I would like to share and one question for you both. The floor is yours, Pepe. The floor is yours, Pepe. Thank you very much, sir.

No, no, thank you, Pepe. I would like to give a shout-out and recognition to all of the McAfee Mafia members that are in the field and use the comments every day. Me too. All of you guys with the green names rocking the sheds, I salute you. Bingo. Now, another thing that I saw on Monday, your Irish is coming out, so congratulations. Not because of the pinky ring, but because you were using your boxing moves with Tessitore. So good to see that.

Speaking about boxing, I want to ask you, did you know that CJ Gardner was the guy that was fighting Michael Thomas and that he was fighting Jordan Wimps on Sunday with Chicago. Yeah, I know. And in this case. CJ, GJ is a problem down there. That guy, top five trash talker in the history of the league, probably feels like he pisses off his own teammates, pisses off other people.

I mean, CJ, GJ is a problem out there, Pepe. Now, do you guys remember either you or AJ, any player that got under your skin that it was getting on your nerves that you can share? Great question, Pepe. We appreciate that. Me, no. AJ, did you have anybody that ever, ever, ever...

That I played against or on my own team? Both? Yeah, no, not on my own team. I don't know why I even asked that. I didn't have a guy that I was repeatedly trying to fight during practice when I was in the league. That wouldn't last too long. Hey, it's short. Gonzo said I even asked that. I didn't have a guy that I was repeatedly trying to fight during practice when I was in the league. That wouldn't last too long. Hey, Gonzo said you basically did that.

Yeah, I tried to kill your own teammates. Is that because he was a Republican? Is that why he was a Republican congressman? Is that why you tackled him so goddamn hard, AJ? Why don't you take it easy on him, pal? Hey, sorry. You're too scared to leave a tweet up supporting your friend. I went to a fundra up supporting your friend. I went to a fundraiser for Gonzo.

He's like, hey, come here. It's a fundraiser thing. A couple years ago when he was running, I showed up. I donated a little bit of money. I show up to support my friend. I have no idea his ideas or politics. And he stood there in the firing line with all these old guys dressed and with tassels on their shoes and pleats in their pants asking really tough questions

and Gonzo had to sit there and answer all of them and he does like 10 of those a day. Yeah, Gonzo is the guy I think that all of us have, anybody that's played with him is like, yeah, that's probably the right guy

to be a politician. That guy's the right guy. But I didn't even know his political affiliation until yesterday. Then the comment section popped off. Then he wins last night. I congratulate him.

I fucking almost get kicked off the internet. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I made zero fucking votes in Congress this past year. I'm congratulating a friend. But how about an opponent? Anybody ever talk shit to you or anything like that?

Not really. A guy that played for the Lions. I don't know if Foxy's there or not. Dominic Raiola. Do you remember him? Or Donovan. He had a brother, too. Foxy's not here here dominic played for the lions right fox yeah i played against his brother in college at wisconsin but yeah dominic and the lions was there like 12 15 years he wasn't real big undersized guy always always going late playing through the whistle i had i had a lot of respect for how he played but nick barnett used to get in big fights with him like in the tunnel in detroit

if you know you both you know when you both walk out together, those are the best places. Nick and Rayola would get almost in a full-blown physical altercation in full pads before we'd go out to warm-ups. Oh, that is amazing. By the way, those are the dumbest stadium setups of all time. I mean, look how big that place is. You can't get

the teams to go in two different... There are some places, I think Buffalo, where everybody starts jogging and then you get like cut off. And then if you don't have, if your first wave isn't in front of their wave, you all get stopped

and it's like sometimes guys are jogging with their head and they run into each other. It's always just an uncomfortable situation. That should have been redid.

Much like Pittsburgh. The way Pittsburgh was designed was very stupid. It leads into a lot of problems with the traffic, a lot of bottlenecking or whatever. That happens in stadiums where teams come out the same area. It's like you're asking for two people to fight each other right here.

This is a physical sport. There's a lot of people like huffing salts to wake themselves up more to go fight people. There's rage music going into people's heads. I mean, there is a lot of things. And then you just have these gladiators walk out right next to each other. It's like, I mean, for me, I'm not going to do anything, anybody, but there are some guys up here that I do believe would be actual murderers if they didn't play football. And you got some of them on the other team and you just have them walking

next to each other. You are asking for a problem here. And I like to hear that your team actually did fight the other team every time you guys were in that situation. I'm a big fan of that move. that uh your team actually did fight the other team every time you guys were in that situation i'm a big fan of that move well yeah you're right pat would if the place seats 70 000 people can't we have two tunnels like can't the locker rooms be separate bro have them go i wouldn't even mind having some teams go up the stands like through the concession down to their locker it's better than having you're asking for a problem i mean you are asking for a legit problem whenever you go there because it's not like guys don't have respect for each other like hey respect what you do but in the mindset that some of these and i'm not saying aj had to do it obviously i did not

have to do it but there's some places that some dudes have to get to mentally to go do a game and it's like you shouldn't have them why would you put a bull walk down a red hallway like that would be a bad idea yeah that'd be a bad idea to have a bull walk down a red hallway like that'd be a bad idea yeah that'd be a bad idea to have a bull walk down a red hallway right i mean that'd be a bit problematic that's what they do in some places i've never seen a pre-game fight uh like that in a tunnel but in college it felt like we were at the 50 with every other team just swinging on everybody it felt like rivalry games yeah everybody wanted to fight us i don't know what we did you had some you had some dudes in college that were not scared. Yeah, we had some guys. And I'll tell you what, if you weren't in

the photo that was taken, I mean, that was problematic. So you would always see a 40 come bopping in somewhere, you know? I'll take a shot to the helmet if I have to. It makes me look good in the goddamn video here. I want to make sure everybody knows here. Okay, yeah, I know they're in this photo here that we're in in this fight, I know that there's actually four to five people that are going to end up doing real time in jail. Okay, I know that there's some guys in here

that are going to do some real things. I know we got some dudes and dogs in here. But I want to let you know, when we watch that video back, that number 40 right there will hop over somebody if I need to get punched in the face or something. Hey, punch me. Don't punch Pat White, please. That's the type of shit you got to do.

Let's go to Julian in Chicago. What's going on, Julian? Hey, what's up, Pat? What's up, boys? Hey, what's going on, man? What's going on, dude? How you guys doing? Good.

Just my question was, what's more difficult, like as a fan, I guess, or even in the team, you know, between the Bears and the Packers? The Bears obviously have a great defense, but we can't get our offense together. We go up at the line, quarterback can't figure shit out. But the Packers, obviously, Hall of Fame quarterback, great offense, but their defense is horrible. So what's, how do I say, the adjustments? What's easier? What's easier what's you

know what's more difficult should i say great question julian and the packers defense has been historically terrible right like every player basically that's ever played for the packers defense is just yeah a terrible past like 15 years football player the um you didn't deserve that age i saw a i saw the gears working in your hand. That's an interesting thought, though, because some teams are defensive-led. Some teams are offensive-led. What's the easiest one to change? I think the easiest thing to change is when you get a guy.

You've got to get a dude on either side. Now, what can you tweak to make better? I think the offense is what you can tweak to make a little bit better because there's more misdirection in things that you can do. You can kind of sneak things by. On the defensive side of the ball, you can tweak to make a little bit better because there's more misdirection in things that you can do. You can kind of sneak things by. On the defensive side of the ball, you can get exposed. And I think if teams know how to expose, you can get exposed. There's nothing you can do to kind of hide that or magic trick that. Am I wrong in thinking that, AJ?

No, I think you're 100% right. You can get a dude. That's the best thing that can help you. And it's probably easier to fix a defense than an offense. I don't know, though. It's kind of hard because one guy is never easier to fix a defense than an offense yeah i don't know though it's kind of hard because one guy's never going to fix the defense but guess what one guy can pretty much fix an offense if you get the right quarterback in there and say you didn't have the right one before but defensively all you can do yeah is is if you don't have the dudes in

certain certain spots like say you're you're not as deep in certain position groups i guess your scheme can try to help cover up some of some of your weaknesses that's all you can do as a d coordinator really and hope they don't pick on your uh your your bad matchups too much but the offense coordinators can force you to get into a position like smart offensive coordinators can force your defense no matter what your scheme is no matter how much you're trying to hide a guy in offense coordinators can set you up to be forced to expose your guy. Like that is just something that can happen. On the defensive side of the ball, I guess you can line up,

okay, they got a bad left tackle. We can rush that. But the offense can answer that with things. So I just think the offense can easily, you know, kind of cover up their shitty better than defenses can cover up their shitty. But I might be wrong there. I think you're right. It's like, hey, if the left side of our line is not very good guess what we're not going to run a whole lot

of running plays that way and i'm not going to expose my quarterback too much we're going to run a lot of quick game not some like late late developing routes down the field and we're going to chip and we're going to make sure we're never leaving him one-on-one yeah that's what i chose to do with my uh with our punt team you know what I mean we got the ball off quick whenever we knew a guy that didn't have a fucking his name spelled right on the jersey we just signed him yesterday he's playing left guard I wonder where they're gonna bring the pressure from what's that dude's name hey number 44 46 hey you're on the fucking left side there's a lot of those that happen on specials. So true.

I wind up next to that guy. I'm like, all right, buddy, you got to stay on my hips. Come on. You don't have to touch anybody. Just stay on my hip. Don't create any inverted lanes there for them to get to this ball. It used to be awesome before kickoffs, you know, break the huddle. You got like six guys on this side, four guys.

It was supposed to be five and five. And you don't even know the guy's name. You're like, hey, you're on that side. He just jogs, a 53-yard jog all the way across the field. And then he's got to sprint 70 yards that way. And he gets in silent. I thought you said right three. I'm so sorry.

It's like, all right, bro, don't worry about it, man. Don't worry about it, man. You'll be here next week, I'm sure sure Can't thank you enough for choosing to distract yourself From the rest of the world with us There's a lot of things that can penetrate your ear holes The fact that you allow us to do it We are incredibly grateful for We'll be back tomorrow with a great Thursday

Will we know who the president is After After the election results get in by tomorrow Nah no chance I think we potentially stand down the barrel Over at least another month or so the election results get in by tomorrow? No, no chance. Probably not, no. I think we're potentially staring down a barrel over at least another month or so. It's possible. Maybe two. And

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