The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 291 - Justin Jefferson, Mina Kimes, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 11, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys remember Veterans Day, and dive into everything going on in the sports world. Also joining the show is the 22nd pick of the 2019 NFL Draft, former LSU standout, and current WR for the Minnesota Vikings, Justin Jefferson. Pat and Justin chat about what this season has been like so far, how he's needed to adjust, his relationship with Adam Thielen, when he started doing the Griddy, his relationship with Mike Zimmer, and much more (33:06-47:52). Also joining the program is co-host and analyst on NFL Live on ESPN, host of the Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, former summa cum laude at Yale, Mina Kimes. Pat and Mina chat about her path to being one of the hosts on NFL Live, her thoughts on the use of analytics in the NFL, why she doesn't mind dunking on people on the internet, some of Dan Orlovsky's bad takes, if she always aspired to do what she's doing right now, and what she got on her SATs (57:20-1:18:04). Later, on another installment of McAfee & Hawk Sports Talk, Pat and AJ get to the bottom of whether or not Ryan Phillippe actually big timed Aaron Rodgers like AJ insisted yesterday, plus they chat about the news that Ohio State and Maryland's game this weekend is being canceled due to a covid outbreak on Maryland's team, and what that could potentially mean for the Big Ten moving forward, plus much more (1:18:06-1:39:10). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello! It is Wednesday, November 11th. Happy Veterans Day. Just want to let everybody know that it doesn't matter if you're for the war or against the wars, you have to be pro the warrior. And I think that's why Veterans Day is so important. I take a lot of pride in the work that I've done with the women and men of our military, both their families, active and vets. Great group of humans. I mean, honestly, been through things that it's very difficult to understand if you haven't been there. Anybody that's willing to sign a line saying, hey, I'll do what we got to do to protect this country. Now, does that mean that you have to automatically support the wars and the decisions

that are made? Absolutely not. I'm not saying that that is the case whether you do or you don't that's not for me to judge but the citizens of our country that sign a line saying hey i'll go do what we got to do nothing but honor and respect for them so big happy veterans day uh feel free to buy a meal a coffee gum maybe some smokes whatever you're looking for uh and just say thank you for those people. And then after they get back, the work has just begun really on, what's that, re-assimilating? Assimilating them, yep. Yeah, back into society.

And we're very, very thankful for our vets here. And we're very, very thankful for you listening. If you enjoy this show by the end of it, go ahead and be a friend, tell a friend. If you don't, just act like it never, ever happened. Today we got A.J. Hawk on. Today we got Justin Jefferson on. Today we got some phone calls.

Yeah, Mina Kimes as well. Mina Kimes is on the show. Mina Kimes, NFL Live is on the show. In that very rare air of her Myron role in terms of just being very, very smart. I think that's why she has had such great success because she is smarter than everybody. Pretty much. But she doesn't make you feel that way. No. Yes, we have a good show today. Hope you enjoy it.

Once again, if you like it, please tell a friend. If you don't, just act like this never happened. Hashtag, Pat, I don't know why I listen, but Ty Schmidt is picking those winners. How much money are we giving out? We are giving away $500 per. So what did you say, total? 20 people, I think.

So that's $10,000. That's awesome. Pretty sweet. Ty has to go through all those, by the way. So if Ty doesn't pick you, it's him, not me. Hey, a lot of entries. Did not expect that, by the way. Pretty pumped about the amount of people that listen.

And also pretty pumped about the amount of people that just typed out, Pat, I don't know why I listen. And because we don't understand it either. But speaking of listening, here's the show. Let's get to it. Let's take a little trip back to 1918, shall we? Yeah. In the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

Bingo. Nailed it. Well done. Armistice Day. Ceasefire World War I, which would then go on to be known as Veterans Day, which is what we are celebrating today. Happy Veterans Day, by the way. And I've always had a stance that

it doesn't matter if you're for or against the war. I'm not 100% sure if there's many humans out there that are like, yeah, let's go to war. But I don't know if that even matters whenever you're talking about Veterans Day. Because whether you're for or against the war, you should always be for the warrior. Now, the women and men that sign the line saying, hey, listen, I will do what I need to do to protect this country should always be held in high regards. And I take a lot of pride in the work that I've done with the military, both with their families, active and vets of the military. I take a lot of pride in it. After meeting a lot of women and men from all over the country that have served our country, your respect for them goes up even more.

Whenever you realize that they're just average Joes that have this thing inside their brain that makes them want to be superheroes for their country. So happy Veterans Day. We are very thankful for the vets. If you see one in the line getting coffee, if you see somebody eating a meal, maybe getting gas, I think it's not a bad thing to say, hey thank you and give them a little salute. Pay for their meal, pay for their coffee if you're able to do so. And always remember that your political thoughts should never creep into your respect for the humans

that are doing what they possibly can for everybody that lives in this country. So happy Veterans Day. We're very, very thankful, very appreciative, and can't wait for the show that we have for you today. Today, Justin Jefferson, wide receiver for the Minnesota Vikings, will be joining us in the third hour.

Also, in the second hour, we have co-host of NFL Live, and also sum cum laude of Yale, Mina Kimes will be joining us today. She is smarter than any human we've had on the show. Her and my own role probably battling at this time. She's co-host on NFL Live. We'll be talking to her today about the NFL, talking to Justin Jefferson. A.J. Hawk will be joining us today. We'll be taking your phone calls.

1-888-MADDOG6. It's glorious Wednesday. It's a beautiful Veterans Day. And we can't thank you enough for rocking with us here on SiriusXM and on YouTube. All the boys are here. At Tone Diggs, I just watched an entire mic'd up thing on Mike Tomlin. And I've always liked Mike Tomlin for what he's done for me personally, right? Mike Tomlin has taken care of me in the NFL.

He's the reason why I got in the NFL. He was always very cool to me before every game, during every game, after every game, whenever we played the Pittsburgh Steelers. But as we continue to learn more and more about Mike Tomlin, like the mic'd up thing, and as we see, nobody else really talks about how damn good of a coach he is. Mike Tomlin's becoming an early favorite of maybe one of my favorite coaches of all time at this point.

Pittsburgh Steelers have Cincinnati Bengals this weekend. Mike Tomlin's been around a long time. He's never had a losing season as a coach for the Steelers, which is remarkable. I think it's been 14 years doing so. Cincinnati Bengals decided to post a video on their social media of T.J. Huchman's auto using a terrible towel, which was created by Myron Cope, double yo-y, Myron Cope,

the local voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers, who has now passed away, who created the terrible towel, using it as a foot rag, basically, disrespecting the terrible towel. We've seen this before. Lendale White with the Tennessee Titans did something with the terrible towel. He jumped on it, stomped on it, and then the Steelers won, I think, by 100 the next game. Are you expecting the same thing for the Cincinnati Bengals,

Mike Tallman, and the boys in Pittsburgh, to see them disrespect the Steelers on social media, and they're going to go out there and get Joey Burrow's ass. Well, I thought just after they tweeted that, it was a good reminder to everyone that they haven't won a playoff game in 30 years. Oh! Also, I don't believe in curses and stuff like that, but after TJ Huchman's audit did that last time,

Kimo von Ohlhoffen snapped Carson Palmer's leg. So I hope that doesn't happen to Joe Burrow. By the way, it changed the rule in the game. It was actually deemed incredibly disgusting and they changed an entire rule because of it. But I understand what you're referring to. I don't know if they beat the Steelers in five years. So I just thought it was a weird video to put out. But hey, I get it.

I get it. You're trying to strum up a rivalry that's not there. But you know, it's pretty pretty cool we'll see how it goes i love that the cincinnati bangles social media team was like yo let's mix this shit up let's go hey let's go ahead and get this thing cool we don't have an indoor facility we do a little bit better on social media maybe our digital money can pay for an indoor facility for our team maybe we can really generate the comeback of the cincinnati bangles alongside joey burrow who just got done beating the ass of the Tennessee Titans. I mean, this could be a tough one for the Steelers. And if they danced on the Terrible Tiles grave on social media before the game,

imagine what they're going to do after they get to the top. My question to you is, I said the Steelers would probably lose one of these three games against the Cowboys, Bengals, and Jaguars, most likely the Bengals because they're the best of the three teams. And it could have happened this week, but does the players in the locker room see this, and does this do anything for the players in the Steelers' locker room for any more motivation at all? I would say with most organizations,

that means absolutely nothing that a social media person who's probably 21, 22 years old, might not even be from Cincinnati or living in Cincinnati at the time, could be working from home. I would assume in most organizations, somebody would see that and be like, ah, whatever. It feels like the Steelers organization is like a family, like a college. We talked to Brett Kiesel a couple of weeks ago, and he said he still goes and meets with the young guys. He takes them hunting. There's still a lot of like, oh geez, talking to the newer team to carry on the traditions. And it feels like the younger players on the Steelers right now

have a lot of pride in being Pittsburgh Steelers. And you don't get that in a lot of places, to be honest with you. Normally business is business. Normally players come and go so much. But the way the Steelers have operated with consistency over the years, with the humans they keep around, and for instance, this was brought up before we went in, when the new regime came into the Indianapolis Coltsts day one or two they were literally painting the walls to cover up the

history of the colts i mean there was photos of peyton manning up there dwight freeney uh you johnny unitas that getting painted over basically and being like hey here we go it feels like with the steelers like they very much appreciate the tradition of being the Steelers. And that Juan Stash story from this past weekend on NFL on Fox, where he said whenever he was about to get hired, maybe for the Pittsburgh Steelers, he was coming from the Dallas Cowboys. And he basically told this story about how

he told one of the Roonies, he was like one of the owners, Rooney family's the owners, and he was trying to pitch himself on why he should be the defense coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers coming from the Dallas Cow and he was like I'm used to handling big stage I came from America's team I came from America's team Dallas Cowboys and Rooney was like hey hey listen enough with that bullshit and he told once that basically that Roselle went to chief which was the original Rooney that bought the team and pitched after the 76 season or something like that,

after the Steelers probably won, and pitched the idea of the Steelers becoming America's team, basically. The first time it was going to be a marketing push, like, hey, Pittsburgh Steelers, Steel Town, hardworking town, and they're good, they're rough and tough. Like, this is America's team. And Chief Rooney, with a cigar in his mouth, I guess, looked at Roselle and said, we are America's team. We're fucking Pittsburgh's team. And then the America's team, they go down to Jerry Jones, and they're like, hey, Jerry, you want to be America's team?

Jerry, you're goddamn right. We'll be America Cowboys. You want us to change Dallas' name out of here real quickly. So I think the Steelers always have had a great amount of respect for the tradition of being a Steeler, and I'm not sure that's everywhere. It's cool to witness from outside looking in, and when you hear the stories from Kiesel, and you hear the stories from the players whenever they talk about older players

coming back and seeing them, and Tom and Colbert's been there, I think, since 2001, so for the last 19 years, one guy's been running it. That's a cool thing that you kind of have in there, and it feels like this Chase Claypool, I think, since 2001. So for the last 19 years, one guy's been running it. That's a cool thing that you kind of have in there. And it feels like this Chase Claypool, I think James Conner even, Juju, it feels like they have a lot of pride in being Steelers. Now, will that change whenever money comes around? Probably. I mean, that happens.

But Hines, Bettis, all the guys that – it just feels like the Steelers are that way. So I would think that if the players didn't feel it, there's some messages coming from ex-players that are like, hey, let's not let these motherfuckers off the hook here. I know they haven't been good for a long time. Let's do that. And I'm not sure that's everywhere. So I think that's something that's very cool about the Steelers organization.

And that Wanstash story on Sunday morning made me die. Not bad delivery either by Wanstash. Pretty good. Not terrible. Not bad. Wasn't bad. Yeah, it wasn't bad delivery either by Wanstead. Pretty good. Not terrible. Not bad. Wasn't bad. I don't know if he's – Yeah, it wasn't bad.

It was a great story. At Boston, Connor, really nothing to talk about with you guys. Nope. Rob Ninkovich said yesterday, Cam Newton's not the quarterback next year, so I'm going to start watching college football, see who we're going to draft this year. Yeah, Mac Jones, by the way, could make a big push. I do believe there's three SEC games, including an Alabama game,

that have been postponed or suspended due to covid running absolutely wild on the sec uh paizon friend of ours michael lombardi former gm and now just football guru basically the guy has forgotten more about football than i think any other human uh that is currently in media he talks to us every monday thursday friday on the Hammered Dom podcast. He gives out picks. He doesn't actually do the betting. He's a good man. He put out a tweet that said these Halloween parties are probably going to

take out SEC football. I didn't even think about that. Listen, you can shut down college campuses. You can do what you need to do. You can tell these kids to lock themselves in their dorms and their apartments or anything like that. Halloween is just like a green flag, a hall pass for every human in college to act like the biggest dumbass in history.

And I would assume that even COVID and the protocols couldn't have stopped that. And a lot of the players probably were looking out their window, seeing what was popping off, and said, we'll go take a little peeksy down there. And then all of a sudden, bang, three SEC games suspended this weekend, probably more on the way. Who knows what's going to happen with Notre Dame? Four SEC games. Four SEC games bang three sec games suspended this weekend probably more on the way who knows what's going to happen with notre dave for sec for sec games for sec games suspended this weekend by the way shout out to the big 10 giving zero wiggle room to move at all in their eight weeks they've already had games postponed and suspended it's a wild time to be

alive but the quarterbacks of the future are going to be very interesting everybody's got that kid from north dakota so trey lance trey lance They have him at number three behind Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, him. Then Mac Jones is in there, and there's somebody else. Kyle Trask has been very good for Florida. By the way, that Pitts guy might be fourth pick overall. Maybe third pick overall. He's a tight end that in the world that we play in now, the tight end position is paramount.

So that Pitts guy, he got killed last week. I think he might have had seven concussions in one hit. tight end position is paramount. So that Pitts guy, he got killed last week. I think he might have had seven concussions in one hit. But he's going to be a top five pick, that guy. But I think Mac Jones is going to be a guy that a lot of NFL teams move up. Now, I'm not saying he's going to top Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence. And a lot of people think, by the way, Justin Fields, potentially NFL career may be even better than Trevor Lawrence, which is impossible to judge right now.

Excited to see how it pans out. But I think Mac Jones is going to be a guy that people are going to move up quickly after watching him. Will he be able to have a season, though? We shall see because Alabama's game currently postponed, suspended, and we already know head coach beat COVID in 24 hours. Maybe all the kids will be able to do that. And, yeah, I don't know how it's going to go.

Also love the kid from BYU. That's the quarterback who I kind of watch. Zach Wilson, I think his name is. I've made a lot of money with that BYU team. I like that BYU team watching him. I actually called them maybe the best football team on planet Earth at one point. They were playing very good football, and that kid is very good. Took a shot at Aaron Rodgers.

He did. Oh, no. He said Aaron Rodgers has no swag or something like that. Oh, really? He has no swag. The dude is in a denim, denim, denim with a mustach. I think Zach Wilson was maybe out ahead of his skis a little bit to make a Utah skiing reference a little bit when he was talking there. But he's very good at football, and it seems like he does have moxie and everything like that.

But just shut the fuck up, kid. There's no reason for you to. That's a bummer. But he might be perfect for the Eagle Empire if he's already taking shots at NFL quarterbacks. Him? Yeah. Legit. He might be a great Patriot.

And that BYU team is legit. Yeah. I think they're only going to be able to play like four games or something like that because they had like a three-week suspension or something like that. Do you think BYU gets a pretty big advantage because like half their roster is like 28, 29-year-old guys? Great question. At Ty Schmidt there, Iowa Hawkeye fan, go Hawks. Go Hawks.

Go Hawks. Go Hawks. Go Hawks. Go Hawks. Go Hawks. Go Hawks. Go Hawks. Go Hawks.

They do have a mature team, and I thought COVID with all the distractions would definitely benefit the mature team most of them already have wives some of them already have their families built in they are all in both on their uh religion and on education right that is a very mature group but many would argue that if you can get your team to do that you should be able to reap the benefit of it and i think the byu squad is a very mature team and i I like that team a lot. Didn't like the shot at Aaron Rodgers from that guy. And by the way, I like that

Zach Wilson kid a lot. I like him a lot. I like the way he plays football. He slings it around. I like the way they play. I didn't take a shot at Aaron Rodgers. I was like, well, I gotta hate you now. Unprovoked. Don't want to hate you. Gotta hate you. But he's a really good football player. He is good at football. He is very, very good at football.

All six quarterbacks that we talked about in this mock draft are all going in the first round. Yeah, that's what we do, man. We know. And obviously we looked that up before we got on the air. For sure. At Ty Schmidt, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday actually had massive fallout. We'll talk about that in a little bit.

But it feels like those conversations are getting better and better somehow. When I thought there was a chance they were going to potentially fall off, especially nine weeks into this thing. No, I mean, he's just one of the most genuine, down-to-earth guys that you're ever going to meet. He just also happens to be one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And I'm just glad, forever grateful, really, that you've been able to get him on the show every Tuesday

and that you've been able to showcase that side of him. Because, like I said, being a Packers fan for the last however many years, it's usually the other side. It's, you know, this guy's an asshole. He's a prick. He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't want anything to do with anyone. And that couldn't be further from the truth.

It's interesting because when I met him for the first time in real life and started talking to him, and I was probably on some vitamins if I had to guess, while he was talking, I was listening, obviously, but then there was a little voice in my brain going man I know nothing fucking about this guy like I I know nothing about you've been and I feel like I'm pretty well versed in knowing of the humans you know oh yeah but when I came to him knew nothing about him whenever he was talking and the way he was speaking and the things he was saying I was like it doesn't sound like you're just an arrogant dick like everybody it doesn't sound like that at all it sounds like you have okay i get it you have a dry personality so all your quotes get taken out of context whenever other

people try to quote you they don't have the inference of how it was delivered and what it was supposed to be about because if you take some dry sense of humor humans and you just take their quotes and you make it their own, your own, and talk about it as they were being matter of fact as opposed to very different, you could see how he could potentially be painted in an image that was a little bit negative sometimes. Because something could have been taken completely out of context, a complete joke that the commentary goes,

yesterday he said that football is easy. This is just an easy game. Well, just threw a pick there. It's not easy at all now, is it? And Aaron might have been like, well, you know uh the nfl playing quarterback real easy job so like and you know what i mean like there's a chance that that could have been happening for i don't know a decade whenever he was in the nfl and he just chose not to answer any of it i love talking to him and this is like the second or third time i've said this during this year because it has been

awesome it has been like astounding just to talk to him because the layers to that son of a bitch. Hey, there's pretty thick layers there. Oh, yeah. Very thoughtful guy. Yeah. He's very good at football. Very good at football.

Spin the ball. Speaking of very good at football, Zito's big poll normally involves people that are good at the football. At Viva La Zito today, the 11th day of the 11th month here in 2020. Happy Veterans Day. What is your poll of the day? And maybe did we miss an opportunity to have a Veterans Day poll

of veterans players in the NFL? Pat Tillman. We can redo it. Nah, it's too late. It's too massive already. Come on. What's your poll of the day? Today is a situational poll. Oh! Alert! It's too massive already. Come on. What's your poll of the day? Today is a situational poll. Ooh! Hey!

Alert! You're on the goal line. Fourth on. You need to tutter or you die. Who runs the ball in? So right now we have, at the last of the pack here, Alvin Kamara at 5%, Aaron Jones 6.4%, Dalvin Cook 16.2%, and Derrick Henry running away, 72.4%.

It kind of makes sense whenever you put Derrick Henry on there and it's fourth and goal at the goal line because the 285-pound guy you're going to pick every time. He's the best. That's Bob Spillane's out there to meet him. At Nick Moraldo, diehard Steelers fan, talking about old Bob Spokane. Derrick Henry, probably the right answer here,

but if we're going to go back in time I mean if you got the fridge down there You hand the ball off to the fridge How about the modern day fridge Basically Derek Henry by the way How about modern day fridge AQ Shipley Why didn't they give him the ball

AQ Shipley friend of the show Backup center for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Been in the NFL like 13 years or something at this point. Long time. Coming out of college, everybody said he was a bit like a snowman, you know, big belly, short arms. Oh, yeah. But he won the Remington or whatever, which is the college best center,

anything like that. So he's always been like an underdog guy. From Pittsburgh, moon township to be exact, which is where the airport is. He signs with the Buccaneers because he's been with Bruce Aarons for a long time. And every once in a while, I'll get a text from him, like, oh, just wait for this weekend. And this past weekend, I got one of those. And all of a sudden, I'm watching the game,

and I think they were down like maybe 75 points at this time. And you see fucking the round mound of man come in and line up at fullback. And it was like, is AQ about to get a touchdown here? Because he was an athlete, by the way. Went into the Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League, which is WIPIL, which is our high school league, by the way. He went into the Hall of Fame there for his basketball abilities,

not for his football, for how good he was at basketball. So he's a round man, obviously. He's 6'1", so in real life he's very big. But in the NFL world, when you're sitting next to D-lineman, offensive lineman, he doesn't look as big. But he's got feet. He's an athlete. He's got feet. He's an athlete. He's got hands.

He can golf well. And I was like, if this son of a bitch scores a touchdown right now, this is going to be awesome to celebrate, you know? And I can't wait to hear him break it down,

what he was thinking. They use him as a distraction, which is a smart play. Had him just block the corner coming off the edge. Then they threw it to Gronk. Gronk almost had it falling through his hands.

And I thought there was a chance that A.Q. Shipley's touchdown percentage when he was on the field was going to be 100. And I was going to really hammer that home. But instead, they used him as a distraction. And you're right. We should have added him onto that goal line thing. Because if you got that guy in the backfield, you hand him the rock on the goal line.

Every time. Simple as that. Marshawn Lynch should have been on there. Oh, yeah. Potentially. There's a lot of gifs under the famous play. When they threw the ball. I can cakewalk that thing over there.

Isn't that what he said? Was it a beer commercial? Marshawn Lynch. It was the league, right? Maybe the league was on the show and they were like, I can just throw it. Just hand it to me. I'll just walk it right over there. No, I got to throw it. He throws it. Man, I can just hand it to me. I'll just walk it right over there. No, I got to throw it.

He throws it and what? The whole thing blows up. Yeah, man. Got to be creative down there. Good times. Got to be creative in the red zone. Hey, not a lot of space down there. You got to get creative down there.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Especially when you have Russell Wilson. Let the guy throw it. Let him cook, dude. Yeah. That's what got you here. Marshawn who, dude? Yeah. That's what got you here. Marshawn who, dude?

That was a bad decision, man. No, no. There's a lot of conversation about Matt Patricia, by the way, greatest fourth quarter call potentially in history. He knew it was coming. Yep. He actually kept a certain group on the field that was actually on the field for pass because they thought he was going to pass because of something that happened

earlier in the game. It was just like one of those situations where the New England Patriots do something, you're like, of course, of course they do. But then if you look deeper from the Seahawks, I guess Marshawn Lynch's contract was up at the end of the year. If he scores that touchdown, he's the face of the Seahawks. A lot of people were thinking that there was potentially a lot bigger things going on and decisions being made on whether or not marshall was getting it it was like well maybe they just got stuffed earlier with the same play

and wanted to play action and just throw the ball and it's like well didn't work out did it marshall didn't become the face of the russell wilson became the face of the seahawks and that play is just something you don't even really think about but goddamn marshall lynch scores that touchdown we don't have to hear patriots But goddamn, Marshawn Lynch scores that touchdown. We don't have to hear Patriots for one less touchdown, one less Super Bowl. Yeah, but what a game, what a call. And Marshawn didn't really get stuffed. Dante Hightower barely tackled him before he got to the goal line.

And then that next play, of course, instead of calling timeout and talking about it, they let Pete Carroll cook. I think what I was, and I did not explain this well enough, when they were in that bunch with that formation on the field, I guess earlier in the game, something. Matt Patricia drew it out for, like, in the third quarter, that particular bunch, that particular personnel on the field, it didn't work like they stuffed it.

So Matt Patricia said he got a feeling that it was potentially going to be a play action instead. So they kept, I think, Nickel on the field or something instead of that. And it was, you know, one of those moves that, you know, you look back on it and you go, God damn, Matt Patricia, best fourth quarter coach in the history of football. You know what? I bet Pete Carroll sees that Lions run defense right now and goes, Wow, I should have gave Marshawn Lynch a call. All right.

Pat Evans, Foxy. He's not lying. He's not lying. Pat Evans, Foxy. He's not lying. He's not lying. Pat Evans, Foxy. Die hard Lions fan. Let's get to a phone call here before we get to a break here. Brad in Hawaii. What's going on, Brad?

Aloha. Hey, Pat and the boys. How are you guys doing? I'm fantastic, Brad. How are you? What part of Hawaii? Oahu. Oh, nice.

Oahu. Oahu. Okay. Yeah, out here on the Marine base. Oh, nice. Oahu. Oahu, okay. Yeah, out here on the Marine base. Oh, we appreciate your service. Ooh! Ah! Appreciate you, man.

Oh, thank you, guys. Appreciate it. No problem. Just want to take a quick time talking about the Bears offense. Do you guys think it's possibly like Matt Nagy's play calling? Calling, you know, screen passes and and draws on third and 15 or something. That's really starting to kill the Bears' offense. Yeah, that's really it, Brad.

Goal line. I think there's a lot of things going on. He did say he is giving a partial play calling. Yeah, which is an interesting move. It's always like the head coaches that don't do any play calling are in the best spot because they can blame other people. Dan Quinn down in Atlanta, he wasn't calling plays. After last season, he fired all of his coaches.

So it was like, well, you know, it was them. It was those guys. It's classic save your ass, cover your ass 101 if you're a coach. And Nagy doing the play calls, there's no escape from excuse. Like he can't point the fingers elsewhere. Mike McCarthy goes down to the Cowboys. He is not calling plays. He's just hanging out.

So if the offense stumbles out of the gate because he's been out of the game for a couple years, he has the ability to say, well, Kellen Morris, son of a bitch, ain't calling a good game. Bruce Aarons right now has Byron Lefkowitz calling plays, and they're running the offense. So if anything goes wrong, Bruce can blame Tom Brady, or he can blame whoever. There's a good idea, but a good move by head coaches

is to remove yourself from blame of the offense and defense if you're not calling it. By the way, if I'm ever an NFL head coach, I'm not saying I am, I am not calling a single play. I just want to let everybody know. Just so after the game, when I do my press conference, let's say Ty's the offense coordinator and the offense struggled today, they'll ask me a question about it and I'll say, listen,

I'll talk to him about it. I will talk to Ty about it. I want to let him know that his offense today did not work out well. I'm assuming there was a plan that they had and they watched hours of film and there was a reason they were doing what they were doing. But I want to let you know, I'm not satisfied with it either. And in this particular building, that's the type of shit we don't like. So I'll go talk to Ibot.

I will talk to him about it. The next question. The defense also isn't doing great. Well, Zito, this motherfucker, listen. You can do a lot of that, right? So, like, I feel like that's why coaches probably do it and why they come in and don't do it. But if you're a player, you have to be like,

I'd have a lot more respect if the guy took a little bit more ownership. But with Nagy, that offense has stunk with and without him. I don't know how. Maybe it's the offense. Maybe Andy Reid's the only one that can run that type of offense because he's goddamn Andy Reid. Just like Sean McVay. Just because you hung out with Sean McVay,

maybe you're not goddamn Sean McVay. And, by the way, does the Sean McVay offense work? Consistently. A lot of questions to be asked when you're hiring an offense guru. Do you think it's hard for Tom Brady to sometimes listen to Byron Lefkowitz's calls because he beat him like five times while Lefkowitz was in the league? Or do you think he just listens

blindly? I would assume, you know, they say those who can't do coach, right? I would assume that Byron Lefkowitz and Tom Brady have a great respect for each other. I would assume, you know, they say those who can't do coach, right? I would assume that Byron Lefkowitz and Tom Brady have a great respect for each other. I've never talked to either of those men. Not a once in my entire life. Now, granted, Tom Brady did send me his new shades.

Hey, now! I'm gonna let you know. I don't know how many people got these shades, but I do know I'm one of them! Whoa! Where are these from? Denmark? Yeah, I think so of them. Whoa. Where are these from? Denmark? Yeah, I think so. Danish.

It's a Danish product, yeah. I'll tell you what, the goddamn Danes, I don't know how much sun they got over there, but they do it right with the sunglasses. Tom Brady and the Danes did it right. They look good. So although Tom and I have never spoke personally, I do have a lot of trust in his process. In Byron Letfkowitz,

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So far, he has 34 receptions for 627 yards and three touchdowns. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Minnesota Vikings, Justin Jeffries. Yeah! Looks good, looks good. Hey, Jeffries. Yeah! That was good. Hey, you up? Yay!

We talked to you before the season, and I think the only thing I really remember from that whole call was that all you kept saying is, I got to get better, I got to get better. Like, you were just worried about working. You weren't even thinking about, oh, I'm in the NFL now. What are we going to do? You were just like, I got to get better, I got to get better. Like, you were just worried about working. You weren't even thinking about, oh, I'm in the NFL now. What are we going to do? You were just like, I got to get better, I got to get better.

What has the NFL been like now that you're there? Rookie season's going well. Now, granted, you guys are turning things around. Here we go. You got Dalvin Cook rushing for 7,000 yards in two fucking weeks somehow. But you guys are really getting going. What has it been like transitioning into the NFL as a wide receiver? It's been great.

I kind of got to give credit to LSU for preparing me to play at this level and just playing against guys week in and week out, you know, top caliber guys. Nailed it. And, I mean, this NFL experience has been great to me, and I'm blessed to be here. Hey, listen, you just got a text probably from somebody at LSU saying, hey, we wish you were still here. We stink now.

What do you think is going to happen with – I mean, they have a lot of young guys on the team. You know, a lot of guys left after last year, a lot of juniors, seniors. So, they have a class that's, I mean, pretty much freshman and sophomore majority. So, I mean, you kind of got to give them time to soak it in and to get adjusted to college level. Your time at LSU, I mean, everybody knows Jarvis was there, Odell was there, saw both of them on the sidelines for the national championship,

saw them with you guys, almost as a family. Odell's been banned for two years. And the big thing was, like, will that change anything or whatever? I think it is a big deal that Odell won't be around the program, right? It feels like LSU, especially in the wide receiver room, I'm not sure everywhere else, it's like a generational thing. Like, you guys all kind of look out for each other. Am I reading that right from outside or no?

That's definitely right um i mean who came back and supported us uh jarvis uh dj shark russell gage so those guys definitely uh was in our ears and and was preparing us to play at our best abilities but uh it's exciting to see those guys on the sideline And especially a person An A.M. player like Odell Not being able to go there Because he's banned I mean, that's sad Exciting to see But, you know, it is what it is, I guess

Yeah, there's really nothing anybody can do about it Because once the NCAA makes a decision I think LSU, I don't know who it was It's kind of set in stone there Now let's get back to your Minnesota Viking time. Adam Thielen in that wide receiver room. He's been around for a few years now. I assume he's the veteran in the group.

What has it been like working alongside him, and does he have the best or worst gritty in the history of the gritty? I mean, it's been exciting to have him mentor me and really just share his knowledge. He's been in the league for eight years and has plenty of information and experience that he can give me. He's definitely been that big brother to me on the team, and he's been guiding me throughout this whole journey. He's cool, man. I got a chance to play golf with him. He was one of the most competitive humans I've ever seen in my life.

And he hit a 3-wood like 380 yards or something. He's incredibly athletic. It was a shame, and we told him this whenever he came on the show, that his gritty was so terrible that first one. He was all jacked up. He said he was all jacked up. He couldn't figure it out.

It was definitely terrible. That dance, by the way has captivated the entire the dab a couple years ago was good uh the gritty though has really taken over everything at this point you i don't want to say you put this guy on but i mean you had to feel like you potentially helped this whole thing out how do you know gritty and how did the whole thing come to be uh well i know gritty um some some guys on the team i went to school with gritty and how did the whole thing come to be uh well i know gritty um some some guys on the team i went to school with gritty and uh you know a lot of people are from new orleans on the team so um and i've seen some of his videos some of his dances and um you know i was the main one

really hitting it so uh you know a lot of guys on lsu team love dancing and love you know just clowning around so um you know I just us and uh you know me Jamar and and a couple other guys decided you know we was going to do it for our touchdown dance so um you know ever since I I hit it during Texas uh it started being on SEC network and uh it just started getting bigger and bigger just uh people are already talking about this wide receiver class as potentially being one of the better ones of all time do you guys is there is there a wide receiver group chat from this draft class you guys keep in touch or anything like that nah um

you're drafted with It seems like my fault. It was going good. Yeah, it seems like my fault. It was going good, and then you asked a question. We should reboot the call just in case. Because there was, and joining us now, by the way, A.J. Hawk. Hey, A.J. A.J., man, you were supposed to come on at 1.30,

and I don't know if you saw, 1.54, I remembered that. That's 100% my fault. I did. That's what I was up here early to allow me to watch 30 minutes of your show. I was hoping to get some fantasy advice from Diggs, but I didn't get any. Thank you for watching the products, by the way, and Diggs is a very good fantasy football player. You, big fan of NFL Live Daily. That's why I wanted you on whenever mina was

on what did you take away from that one and uh what is your favorite part of nfl live jay walk my favorite part of nfl live oh man well or slavsky is good obviously we know dan working the tablet working the screen like uh like our guys from the election coverage mina i watched her interview. I mean, I think it was good I wasn't there to try to, like, I think it was good just you and her going back and forth. She's very, very smart. I guess I didn't know.

I didn't know all of her credentials. Me neither. Learned it this morning. Didn't even know what that fucking word was, by the way. Summa cum laude. And that was, Myron Roll was on the show, right? Huh? Second place?

No, no. No, no. I think it's just like top.01% or whatever of GPAs. We should have this conversation, though, maybe after Justin Jefferson is back. Yeah! I'm back, man. Thanks for figuring it out. His question to you was, this rookie class of wide receivers looks damn good. Are you viewing this as competing against each other?

Do you keep in contact with each other? Do you know any of them outside of the LSU crew? I mean, always it was a competition, especially during college. So, I mean, we follow each other on social media and stuff now. But, I mean, I feel like it's always going to be that competition and us always just trying to outdo one another. But it's much respect to those guys. Those guys have been performing at their best abilities also.

And, I mean, this class has been looking great. It doesn't make sense how easy you guys have made it look. It really doesn't. It's not supposed to be like that. At least two of you should be fucking bums in the knock. It makes no sense. You know what I mean? A.J. Hawk, by the way, is the other Caucasian male on the screen that you see there.

He played at Green Bay for a long time. Justin, hey, I'm just curious about your time. I know people love to ask you about Coach O and LSU, but are there any similarities between Coach O and Mike Zimmer? Both love to win. Both hate losing. Hate losing. uh i hate losing as well uh that's why i can connect with them and i can feel um you know how they feel uh even more than everybody else because you know we're they're so competitive just like me and um you know we just hate losing we hate

um just being on the losing team, having a losing season. So we're all just looking to shake this season back right and to go back on a winning streak. Being ultra-competitive seems to be a trait that a lot of people that are in high places have. With you just talking about being on a losing team there for a little bit, and you guys seem to have right the shit, by the way that it's been awesome to watch that whole thing happen what has the vibe been like now this is your first year in the nfl so there's no way you could

compare uh the nfl locker room to this particular season as opposed to another nfl season but what has the vibe been like has it been more business than you expected it to be because all through high school college it's like you kind of ride the wave. And in the NFL, it's like, hey, we got to move on here. What has it been like kind of experiencing the highs and lows of the NFL in your short career thus far? I mean, just losing and just trying to shake back from, I mean, I'm just not used to losing at all, especially after last year. to shake back from, I mean, I'm just not, I'm just not used to losing at all. Um, especially after last year. Uh, but, uh, I mean, this year is just, it's just different. Uh, just not having

fans, not having, uh, screaming people in the, in the stadium. Uh, it's a little different. So you got to bring your own energy, bring your own swagger, uh, to the games because I mean, to be honest, it feels like practice. It feels like a scrimmage. But, I mean, once we bring that energy and play with that high tempo, then we will play great just like we did these last two games. Nice. Justin, is it a benefit when you don't have fans there to where, I'm sure, pre-snap you can hear your coaches on the sidelines if they want to make a jump

and you're wrong, you're lined up wrong? Is that a benefit or is that a detriment to yoursnap you can hear your coaches on the sidelines if they want to make a jump, you're wrong, you're lined up wrong. Is that a benefit or is that a detriment to your team when you can hear everything? It's both. Both. Just because, I mean, it's kind of tough not having those fans in there. So, you know, fans bring energy energy brings excitement uh brings adrenaline so um all of that you don't have anymore so um now you just have to to come prepared come ready to go and uh

just you know in your own little zone so it's definitely different but um i would say it's a little better because the communication between you and the offense, you can hear everything, but it would be way better if we had fans in it. Has there been... By the way, that sounds like a common sentiment to every football player. I couldn't even... I mean, I had to hit zero people. I had to do absolutely nothing that involved getting energy or juice

or having a little bit of adrenaline, but I couldn't even fathom what it's like walking into just a completely dead silent stadium and being like yeah this matters like this matters a lot like that has to be hard to be like yo this is a lot different than what i was just doing on wednesday and thursday this even though it feels the exact same this that's going to be interesting and by the way i think the adjustment back into a lot of fans is going to be interesting for some people too it's going to be like a a re-baptism into a a full-blown uh stadium um justin jefferson any hobbies you've picked up in the off time or is it just film you just hang out you you do play video games do you play cards

do you play dominoes i play video games mostly um especially with with some of my friends back at home and some teammates. So they've kind of been giving me a little excitement after practices and a long day. So that's what I've pretty much been doing with my time. Yeah, because you're not allowed to do anything, right? You have to go to work, then you go home. Then you don't talk to anybody. Put a mask on if you even talk to your mom, okay? We don't need you doing it. You have to do that, and then you go back to work, then you go home. Then you don't talk to anybody. Put a mask on if you even talk to your mom. We don't need you doing that.

You have to do that, and then you go back to work, then you go home. But that's kind of the expectation. And if the players want to maintain collecting checks and everything, that's what it has to be. So I would assume that the video game escape there is a massive part of your well-being throughout this entire season. Oh, 100%. I mean, I feel like that's one of the reasons

why college is having a little bit harder time to, you know, stay under COVID protocol and everything because, you know, college students love to do extracurricular activities and they just, you know, love to go out or whatever. But... Not me. Hey, not me, Justin.

Okay, I took college serious, dude. I've been in a bubble for a long time. That's amazing. That's what they all say, right? Exactly. Hey, Justin, you ever see Zim? Does Zim ever peel his shirt off and run around the facility like Coach O would do on campus?

Well, the day I see that, the day I see that, it's going to have me on my toes. No, not yet. I'm looking forward to seeing it if it does happen, though. Well, he's a big defensive coach, right? Does he have much interaction with the offense? Have you and him had a relationship?

I mean, being the first-round pick, that's quite an investment the team put in you. Has Zimmer and you had a relationship at all, or is it kind of business? Because you can't because of COVID. A little mixture of both. You know, we talk a little bit during practice and just saying what's up to each other, you know, as we walk by. But it's kind of been more of a business thing. You know, they don't really look at me as a rookie anymore.

They look at me as a player that can bring some potential to the offense and, you know, make some big plays. So I feel like Coach has just been treating me like everybody else in the locker room. That's awesome. That's great to hear. Hey, good luck for the rest of the day. What do you got? You got practice?

You got anything else going? What do you got today? We just finished practice. So, you know, I'm going home back to the video game. Hey, big Wednesday. This is install day. Did you do anything sweet today? Do we have any highlights potentially that we could talk about, or is it just another

come see, come saw day, Justin Jefferson? No, it's another day. It's another day for me, man. We appreciate you. Good luck. I think you're on Monday night football against the Bears. Big divisional game.

Have a good one. Stay locked down because it takes all of us, and we appreciate you joining us, man. Appreciate y'all for having me, man. I want to let you know, whenever we say it takes all of us, we're not talking about us. We have to do nothing. You have to stay in your house forever.

That's what we're talking about. Ladies and gentlemen, Justin Jefferson. Thank you. Good dude. Stunned. Good football player too. Very good at football. AJ, sorry. I mean, you were supposed to be on earlier today and this is the latest he's been on.

This is a tough Wednesday, AJ. I apologize, pal. Good questions, though, for Justin Jefferson, even though you missed the first half of the conversation because we couldn't figure out the fucking tech. Appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. I got to watch. Honestly, it's fun watching when you don't have to count on

me to chime in. It's kind of fun just to enjoy the show. I hope so, by the way. I hope that continues you know like i hope i hope that continues for people it'll stop you know it'll happen at some point but i hope that does continue before we get to the break here which we have to get to and then we'll take some calls and uh talk about everything happening in the world uh on a wednesday in the middle of the league which nothing happens on wednesday so we'll figure it out. But has Ryan Phillippe got back to you after calling you a bold-faced liar

yesterday on this show, AJ? As far as I know, he has not gotten back to me. I'm still – I guess I'm waiting. Does he know TikTok, TikTok, pal? Does Ryan Phillippe know that the Crimson Chin, the national champion, the Super Bowl champion, the man who has delivered no less than 200 concussions and never received one, is waiting on the other side of the Twitter machine for him?

Does he know that, A.J. Hawk? No, I don't think he does know that. But what he does, he is aware of from a little bit of research I have done, is that he has a new show coming up that he's going to be promoting or he already is in the process of promoting. Oh, so you're saying you're saying, hey, maybe come do a little marketing. Let's clear up this little situation on who misremembers what? Put the swords away. Put our swords away.

Maybe you and Ryan Phillippe, who I thought was Ryan Gosling, could become friends. Yeah, I mean, if Gosling is a fan of the show, then, yeah, then we know you. That would be huge. I got real pumped yesterday. Yeah. I want to let you guys know, I don't if Gosling is a fan of the show, then we know. That would be huge. I got real pumped yesterday. Yeah. I want to let you guys know, I don't know much about that world,

the heartthrob world, but whenever you guys said Ryan Phillippe, and I thought it was that guy that was with Steve Carell in that movie, I was very pumped for where we are. Yeah. From where we started to where we are, if that was happening, I was very pumped. Ryan Phillippe, by the way, still big, I heard. Oh, yeah. Heartthrob of his own. Yeah. Great actor. He'sippe, by the way, still big, I heard. Oh, yeah.

Heartthrob of his own. Yeah. Great actor. He's got a brand new show coming out. What happened? He punked Aaron? Or you? What happened, did you say?

What did you say he did? No, I just said I was using him to ask Aaron a question about, like, stars that may have big-timed him. So was Ryan Phillippe telling the truth, or are you? Telling the truth. What do you think? I don't know, Ryan. I didn't even know Ryan Phillippe telling the truth or are you? Telling the truth. What do you think? I don't know, Ryan. I didn't even know Ryan Phillippe existed until yesterday.

I mean, that's not shocking. You don't know people in your life exist. You forget about them instantly. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That is not true. AJ, tell the truth. I keep my circle very small. What's your short-term memory like, you think?

My short-term memory? Yeah. Top five, top five, five top five what happened today what happened today i came in here and fucking had a great conversation with a couple people man that's what i did then this morning by the way i read a story about sergeant stubby uh at further brand on instagram yep about a dog that was a world war one hero basically on this veterans day at further brand uh which is a foundation my lady has put together to help rescue dogs and things like that. They've donated a lot.

A lot of cool things. Told the story of a couple war dogs today. And this one, Sergeant Stubby, was awesome. I was almost, this little mutt, this little mutt got rescued over there. Gets smuggled into war by the owner, basically. Has zero war training. Zero war training at all, this dog. None.

Just like a mutt, kind of roams around. As soon as it gets there, wins over an entire platoon. Okay? Wins over an entire platoon, so now they need him there. They get, like, an acid or poison. Mustard gas. Mustard gas attack, which knocks them all out. So they all go into the hospital, okay?

Sergeant Stubby's on, like like a thing, a mask, and their entire platoon gets taken out. They would go on now, and he would, since it knocked him out earlier, he would sniff out mustard gas and alert the boys in the opposite direction. Sergeant Stubby just started saving lives. Sergeant Stubby found like a German spy all by himself. I would assume old Sergeant Stubby is walking out, take a piss, and just goes just right here,

this son of a bitch. Just right here. AJ, you haven't even said happy Veterans Day, dude. Do you even care about Sergeant Stubby or the women and men that have served our military? Yeah, of course. I mean, that's the first thing I did when I woke up this morning was give thanks to all the veterans, the men and women that protect our freedoms. I don't have to pander here

on a public platform like you do, Connor. I just want to let you know that the first thing me and Connor do in the morning every day is we thank the Lord for sending his son to die for our sins. Hell yeah! Then immediately after that, we then thank the vets. Ain't that right?

That's right. I called my grandfather. First thing I did this morning. Well, after you prayed. After you. After you prayed. Well, you know, my grandfather, me and him usually share a prayer together. Oh, see?

That's how he celebrates Veterans Day. That's nice. That's how you do it. Connor, you are very quick on your feet. I mean, I'm just telling the truth, my friend. That's when he's at his best, by the way. That's why you just got to attack him. Because the way he can deflect is maybe the best in the history of media.

I'm going to start putting him in that. The way he can deflect blame away from him is next. I assume it is a pain in the ass in every other walk of life, right? If you had somebody that had this ability. But this ability this kid has is special. it is a pain in the ass in every other walk of life, right? If you had somebody that had this ability. But this ability this kid has is special. It is a gift, this guy. You don't have to fight him when you're telling the truth. Yeah, exactly.

There it is. Good tag, Connor. Connor doesn't sit back and just, he's not passive. He's attacking. He's going to go for the throat. If you even say anything near that Connor would assume could possibly be offensive to him, he is coming right back at you. Bingo.

And by the way, whatever you said that was possibly offensive, he's going to use that to attack somebody else. And then what he's going to do for you is coming on the other side. Because whatever you said to him, that's going somewhere else. Before that thing even makes it halfway, that thing's getting shot in a different direction. I didn't even see it. You asked me.

Me. Did you hear? Just immediately. It's awesome. It's a gift for this show. It's good for this show. But I bet his parents had some days. Yeah, I kicked out a few times.

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Have longer, better sex with our friends at Roman. Back to the show. Joining us now is one of the co-hosts of NFL Live. She has her own podcast. And at Yale, she was summa cum laude, which means the smartest. I normally only like to talk to valedictorians, but joining us now, Mina Kotz. How's it going, Mina? I was my high school valedictorian.

Boom. See, I knew why this happened. I knew why this happened. What did you study at Yale? And what does that mean exactly? And how does that work? I did not graduate college, obviously. I went.

I did not graduate. That means you're up there. Do you have the sweet tassels on graduation day? No, it's just a GPA thing. So, like, if you finish in the top X percent of your GPA, they assign it to you. What is the X? What is the X factor there? What is the

exponent of the percentage? It's top 1%, isn't it? I don't know, actually. Top point. You know, Mina, you should know, by the way, if I was... Summa cum laude. I'd be like, listen, top half percent. Fucking Yale, dude. Good for you.

Congratulations. Your sports career, though, has been incredible to watch. Now you're co-host of NFL Live, which I would assume is a dream job for everybody in there. NFL Live is one of the constants at ESPN. How have you been enjoying that? What has been your biggest takeaway from the year hosting a daily show about the NFL? I love it. I adore it.

Speaking of adoring, everybody on that show absolutely adores you. Marcus Spears, Dan Orlovsky. Good people over there. Hey, you guys got good people. I'm a big fan. Yeah, I'm a big fan of you guys too. We watch it every single day. Now, Orlovsky says some very dumb things things sometimes but we are big fans of the show

swagoo's our guy as well he's everybody's guy he's like the most likable human on earth i think like you know q rating i feel like his q rating is off the charts i actually by the way pat i forgot that i was coming on your show today and I think like minutes before you tweeted that I tweeted something about how you should never punt in opponent territory not realizing that that might be an insult to you or interpret it I don't know how you feel about that it's not an anti-punting stance it's more of an aggressive stance I don't know if you saw that but I was a little bit nervous that you saw it right before I came on well I think it was a little more of an aggressive stance. I don't know if you saw that, but I was a little bit nervous that you saw it right before I came on. Well, I think it was a little bit of an aggressive punter stance that you had right there.

But I think with the analytics and the data and the efficiency of offenses, and I think somebody wrote this at the ringer this morning, too, and sorry for not giving. The efficiency of offenses has made the decision to go for it on fourth down in plus territory like a much greater success rate than pinning somebody and getting them to stop so i think that's an accurate take i'm not against it i mean i do love watching uh a man go out there and pin somebody deep boy that scratches me where i itch but also i like seeing aggressive coach that wants to win the game and i think the players like it too so i'm on your side here mina don't you yeah don't you don't you worry about that i'm on your side for that has that been something do you do big analytics data dives

is that something you do is that your style uh yeah i'm kind of the analytics like the nerd representative on the show i would say but i've converted uh like marcus has said he's really come around to my takes which are sort of influenced by numbers. You know, it's very pro passing on early downs, very pro going for it, which it sounds like you're on board with as well. Sometimes we'll be at a stance where like we're kind of looking at, OK, should the team go for two here? Should they go for it? And I think as a network, we're now much like coaches in the NFL are listening more to what the numbers tell us. But it's important to remember numbers are just a tool. It's just another piece of information. It's like knowing, do I have a running back who's been successful in short yardage situations?

It's just another thing to consider when you're making these calls. And so I think everyone's sort of coming around to it, but really the nerds and the tape grinders are coming together. That's the goal of our show is to bring everyone together. Oh yeah. I think you guys are doing a great job, by the way. It's an enjoyable watch every single day.

I will say, unless it's a hundred percent, I don't want to fucking hear it. Mina. Okay. That's what I, I'm joking. No,

I'm a, I'm a big stats and analytics guy. Everybody knows that. They call me Statty Patty every once in a while whenever I get into it because I think it is a weapon. I do believe bringing in the super smart humans of our world into sport. I think there's a lot of feel that still has to be in the game. I think there's a lot of that. But I think as the analytics and data become more prevalent, I think it's been helping people make much better decisions. But some people live and die by the analytics with zero feel.

And I feel like even the super numbers people got to be like, you got to also have some feel for what's going on in the game, right? I think on the other side, there are some people who are like just completely rejected, right? All together. And I think I feel like we could be talking about our country right now. But I feel like being extreme is not the way to go it's good to consider all all information that's what the smart coaches do that's what like a john harbaugh does or bill belichick even though he pretends like he doesn't they're all considering all of that it is a shame

though again to bring it back to the punters. The article you were talking about I did read this morning. It was by Nora Princiati. There it is. And she talked about how the punters now are just kind of like hanging out on the sidelines. And you've got a team like the Saints who have the best third down conversion percentage in the NFL. But sadly, they also have one of, I believe, the three best punters in the NFL in Thomas Morstad. So he just has to sit there and watch, and it feels like a little bit of a waste. How did you, as a super nerd, fall in love with football?

I mean, obviously, that's probably a question you hear a lot. But whenever you talk on NFL Live, whenever you're on your podcast, whenever you're talking now, it's obvious that you are like a diehard football fan. How did that come to be? Because a lot of nerds, I would assume, in the world hate football, I would assume. So I don't know. How did you become like a diehard fan of football? And by the way, thank you for making our football world a better one

with a bigger brain and everything like that. I was born, born. I didn't come out of the womb, but I'm a Seahawks fan. My dad was crazy about the Seahawks. So growing up, like a lot of people, that's just, that was my induction into football. You know, a lot of my earliest memories are just watching Seahawks football with him. So I didn't come through it being interested in the stats and the dots and the numbers. I will say, being like a bit of an outsider,

and I think you can relate to this as well, the stats, in the same way that I feel like the internet kind of rose up and embraced you, the stats community really lifted me up and helped me come into football. And it's a way for sometimes people who didn't play the game, I think, to get into it and bring some expertise into it, even though most of the time I'm not really talking about stats,

I'm just talking about the tape and the matchups, but they were really welcoming to me early on. And so I'm a Seahawks fan. I try not to be a homer, which is hard when you've got a Super Bowl tattoo, but like most people, I think fandom really is what brought me to the game. Well, as an analytics person, you know that Aaron Rodgers should win the MVP this year. Wow. No, no, no.

I didn't say that. I'm telling you what analytics people have been saying. That's what analytics people have been saying, not me. The stats people kind of boosting you and being like, hey, we wouldn't mind if this human represented us on television or anything like that. I would assume, and this is just from my work on ESPN and the amount of hate that I get. The amount of hate that I get from the standard ESPN fan is, oh, Mina, they hate me. Oh, my God.

Now, granted, I think I've potentially won some over here as my time on ESPN has come more and more. But, boy, at the beginning and even now, whenever I hop into college game day and I just start swinging this thing, I mean, people get mad about it, right? So I would assume that whenever you, whenever you, it shouldn't, I mean, I mean, I swing a hammer, I yell loud. I mean, there's a lot of, yeah, you could see how some people would hate me. I would assume that you catch some backlash from some ESPN fans and how do you deal with that? And do you just know deep down that those people are stooges like I do? Yeah, I got better at it, right? I try to follow that old adage. Don't take criticism from anyone you wouldn't take advice from. It's hard sometimes when the criticism is so pointed.

And I know you feel it, too. I've seen you clap back a little bit. You have to, Mina. You have to. First of all, it's funny. If I can make a joke, I'm going to fucking clap. Yes, you have to. Too many people say no.

It's like I enjoy. By the way as a punter as a punter i can't talk i couldn't talk a lot of shit for a long time but now i got some stooge in his basement tweet me it's like oh you don't think i have time to go through your twitter account learn about you i do let's go ahead and do this and everybody's like take the high road pat it's like well what about the fun road like i would like to go exactly if somebody is like setting themselves up to be dunked on And like that tasty Alley Oop is right I just I can't resist sometimes

But I don't I think it is You have to really remember it is a minority Because I think part of the reason People really like you Pat responds to you And I try to embody this as well and I think our show NFL Live does is football is fun And I think there's a lot Of I don't know I don't want to say shows but a lot of people to embody this as well and i think our show nfl live does is football is fun oh yeah and i think there's a lot of i don't know i don't want to say shows but a lot of people they talk about it they

treat it like it's like church it's not it's fun it's supposed to be fun people want to watch people who actually look like they love it and are enjoying it and that's why people love tony romo by the way it's not because he can play because he actually looks like he's fucking enjoying himself on television listen and so I try to invite that I think you do too and I try to remember that most people want to watch that football is a celebration sports are a celebration and I think that was the big thing whenever I retired I learned quickly while watching the games it sounded like everybody was miserable covering the game it's like yo sports are like an escape like hey this is supposed to be a good time

and that's why, you know, I do enjoy the vibe of the NFL live show, and I think people enjoy our show. Tony Romo did have that there for a while. A lot of people have turned on Tony Romo, though, Mina. I'm not saying they should have. A lot of people have turned on Tony Romo. Who's turning on him? Not us. Not us.

Not us. Not me. God forbid he looks like he's enjoying watching a football game. That's so stupid. Sure. Some people are saying forbid he looks like he's enjoying watching a football game. That's so stupid. Sure. Some people are saying that he's acting almost like he was a summa cum laude. Oh, yeah. Talking down to a lot.

A lot of people are saying that that's potentially what he's doing. We're not saying that. Mina, that is not us. No. We are just a relay. He wasn't very good at underrated. He's one of the more underrated quarterbacks in our time People say people are rated exactly where they're supposed to be

The Not me I am Tony Romo fan I am just relaying messages I've seen On the internet which is what my job Is on a daily basis Mina A couple guys had a question for you Yeah Mina on the set of NFL Live

Have there ever been any takes that Dan Orszlowski has given, whether it be on air or off air, that make you want to smack him in the mouth? I'll go first. It's every time he talks. I love Dan. I love – speaking of, like, dunking, Dan's, like, complete willingness to be dunked on. I mean, did you see, like, the cup of coffee he posted on the internet?

Like, the man has the worst taste in food and beverage. I'll open the kimono a little bit. We were talking about coffee on air, but we were also talking about adult beverages. Because he saw me post something about drinking whiskey. He only drinks red wine and White Claw. That's it. Easy, Connor. And he just puts himself out there. And I honestly like his love of Carson Wentz is like the White Claw of takes, right?

Yes. White Claw, by the way, would be a great nickname for, well, it's a better nickname for Adam Thielen than a quarterback. I've been trying to make that happen. But anyway. Adam Thielen should be called White Claw. Can we make that happen? It's a great nickname. Well, only if we can get him a quarterback. I've been trying to make that happen. But anyways. Adam Thielen should be called White Claw. Can we make that happen? It's a great nickname. Well, only if we can get him a sponsorship. Let's talk a little business for Adam Thielen

there. But White Claw would be a great wide receiver's name. I mean, that is Caucasian Claw, maybe even a little bit deeper than that thing. Did you say you don't want to open a kimono a little bit there? Are we allowed to laugh at that or no? That is an expression that makes me feel uncomfortable every

time i say it and obviously not just because i'm an asian woman but it is it's like one of those idioms that we were like oh open the kimono um but i like i i will open continue to open up you know what i'm not gonna say i just didn't know how we were reacting my wife uh is korean descent yeah half k Korean as well. So yeah, so it's one of those things where I never know what I'm allowed to do, what I'm not allowed to do, and I just go ahead and go, that's awesome. Let's keep it moving. Ty, what do you got?

Mina, was working for either ESPN or like the NFL always a goal? Because I assume if you graduate from Yale summa cum laude, that you probably had the pick of the litter in terms of what you wanted to do in terms of your career? It was not my goal. I was an investigative reporter out of college writing about Wall Street, actually. I don't know if you guys know that

during the crisis and writing about corporate malfeasance. I'm surprised they didn't kill you. Thanks for coming over to sports. That's like a dead world, right? They kill people over there. I mean, honestly, people are always like, oh, are you afraid of criticizing a football player on TV? And I'm like, no. I got yelled at by lawyers for a living for years.

Amen. Like real billions style stuff. So I'm not afraid of it. But no, I was a Wall Street writer and all my free time spent just tweeting dumb shit about football. ESPN noticed. They were like, you seem to like football. Would you want to switch? So I wrote for the first few years at ESPN.

I think Ty, you're a Packers fan. I mean, I know you guys have Rodgers on the show a lot. That was the guy I profiled back when I was a writer. And then I just kind of fell into doing this analysis stuff just because I loved it so much. 2020 MVP, Aaron Rodgers. We have to go back and read your profile on him. Can't wait to hear what that is.

What's up, Dix? Mina, have you ever used your investigative journalism skills to try to find out if Russell Wilson is fake or he is just that human being all the time that no one can probably stand to hang out with? Yeah, you've got to snoop around a little bit to learn it um i have i have spoken with russell and i think he is just always the same wow that's what i've been saying this whole time that's what i've been saying this whole time hey i want to let you know there's a guy in this room right now

who does not want to hear that right now and his name is ty and he got accepted to harvard by the way no i i believe it that just i would never want to have beer right now. His name is Ty, and he got accepted to Harvard, by the way. No, I believe it. I would never want to have beer with him or hang out with him. Oh, God. No, no, but this is my theory of quarterbacks, by the way. You either have to be that way, where you're really religious or just a very strange person, or you have to be like the Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers,

like super cerebral, you know, like CEO type. There's nothing in between. You can't just be like a normal, chill dude to be an elite quarterback. I agree completely. By the way, like Andrew Luck, for instance, was super nerd, super cool, super nice. I think the one thing he was missing was like a little bit of asshole. Like he was just too nice of a guy. Yeah, he was too nice. I think the one thing he was missing was a little bit of asshole. He was just too nice of a guy.

I think he was too nice where a lot of things were happening that I think he could have been like, I am smarter than you, and also it's my life on the line. I want us to do this. And I think that is the... One negative about Andrew Luck, and I think there is only

one. I think that was it. Just the way he played football, the way he carried himself, everything like that, is he was too nice of a guy. Works too hard. Too nice of a man. He cares too much. He cares too much. Need you to be a little bit of an asshole and say,

hey, we're not cutting that guy because you have a personal vendetta. That guy keeps me alive. We need him on the goddamn team. Like, those are types of things you need quarterbacks to be able to do. You know what I mean? You agree? I couldn't agree more. I actually wonder if Joe Burrow is too normal.

I mean, because I love him and he's been playing so well, but he seems like a really chill, normal dude. And I'm kind of like, all right, let's see how this plays out. Okay, so you say you have to be super nerd or CEO. In my eyes, I think if you're a beer, like have a beer with guy, also could be a third option. Now, would that be enough to win a Super Bowl? Interesting, because Stafford, right? Stafford's a guy you're like, want to have a beer with guy also could be a third option now will that be enough to win a superbowl interesting because stafford right stafford's a guy you're like want to have a beer with that guy

and he's done i don't think anybody's like you know at stafford bad quarterback even though lines stink i think he has that joe burrow seems to be a guy that you would want to have a beer with or 10 now will he be able to take that to the next step hopefully we'll be able to see herbert by the way yeah what's herbert is he just super smart guy you think he's a nerd i but he's also an introvert which is a very rare quarterback archetype right like that was the rap on him in the draft is everyone the teams were like oh my god he reads books he likes science no this is bad um and but he like first of all every time they cut to him on the sidelines, it makes me feel so old because, like, I don't want to, like, he looks 13, right?

Like, his skin, like, he just looks like a baby. But he also looks really shy. And it's such a contrast with his playing style, which is, like, Brett Favre, like, it's unbelievable. And it's super, like, wild. He's a gunslinger. But I think his personality is the nerd type. And I think it could work.

What was your, did you take the ACT or the SAT? Just say it's SAT. SAT, what did you get? Oh, my God. You're actually asking me this. Yeah. Maurice Jones Drew asked me this while we were calling a Rams game, during the game.

And it was one of the more uncomfortable moments of my career. Why? Well, it's weird. I don't want to look like I'm an asshole. No, you're not an asshole. Let me just tell you why we're having this conversation. We have an intern here who has rocks for brains. He seems to be, you know, potentially.

Yeah, rocks for brains is something. I guess that's's kind of his he said he got like a 31 or something on the act which i never 33 he's got an act which i'd never taken the act i didn't know anything about so then they made a comparison to what it would be if an sat it's like a 14 or 1500 or something like that on the sat and i just want to let you know from our short conversation with you and reading your resume if if he somehow scored higher than you on what would be perceived the SAT, I mean, the test is flawed. We potentially have to kick him out of the building. This is more about seeing where he stacks up.

Yeah, this is an inside the office question, which I can understand why you might not want to talk about it because you don't want to sound like you're better than anybody else, but we need you to say you're better than somebody else, like in a pretty big way. Did I say that too quickly? I got a 1560. Yeah, that's pretty good. Jeez!

What did you get wrong? Because then a 1600 was perfect. What did you get wrong? Like two questions on purpose? You know, I'm only half Korean, Pat. All right. Mina, thank you for joining us us that's a great way to end this i think thanks for the support watch nfl live nfl live today at uh well i'm not on today so you don't have to watch today but i'm back on it friday it's 4 p.m every day 4 p.m every day espn nfl live

also your podcast which is great it's you dog. Yeah, you came on once and we had honestly like a 15 minute conversation about what we would ask our dogs if we could talk to them for like cast a spell and talk to them. Yeah. But it's called the Mina Kimeshow featuring Lenny. It's normally more about football than that.

Yeah. My big question was who do you like more, me or me or your mom? Because then I know. I'd be afraid to ask. Well, I just need to know who I need to spend more time with. You know what I mean? Like, if this one says you love me more than your mom, cool.

I'm only caring about you. That BarkBox that's coming every month, coming to you. You know what I mean? This other one, if you love your mom more, that's cool. Fucking just, you're going to have to deal with that yourself. That's on you. So that was my answer, I do believe, if I go back. go back and it's very selfish answer but i think it's pretty real answer yeah i'd say uh by the way your dad we did some research u.s air force vet happy veterans day

send our love to him that's awesome thank you appreciate that shout out to peter kimes hey shout out to peter kimes shout out to mina kimes thank you so much for coming on, Mina. Ryan Phillippe's people have not reached out to us yet. We'll see how that whole thing pans out. How tall is Ryan Phillippe, AJ? Would he work you? He'd get you, huh? He probably is like a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

Like I said, I'm a big fan. I came to this situation as a fan of Ryan Phillippe. Okay. And I'm a new fan. I just learned. He is, we were getting word in our ear, he is 5'9". I want to say 5'10", give him an extra inch, maybe make Agent Hawk think he has to sweat a little bit for trying to spread this slander about Ryan Phillippe.

I mean, the issue with me now, so like, for instance, the NBA, whenever they measure people's height, it's them with shoes on. They want the players to be as tall as possible. The NFL does not care about the marketing of how big the players are. They're trying to get you at your absolute shortest. So they have you get up on a stage

in front of a bunch of people, take off your shirt, take off your pants in front of a bunch of people, take off your shirt, take off your pants, you're only in tights, take off your shoes. And then you walk out into the middle of the stage. Okay. I did this at the senior bowl and it's at a, it's in a theater or whatever, you know, and there's a guy out there with like a stick basically. And, uh, he, that you stand in front of a measuring thing and the guy pushes your shoulders down and your head down so you can be the smallest you could potentially be. What is the smallest this sack of fucking bones can be?

So that's what it'll be. So then they measure you, right? And it's like 6'1", 0'08", or something like 6'1 1⁄8", or something like that. And then you go, and you take your fat ass, and you go step right on a scale right next to it, and they bat the thing, you know, 235 pounds. And then you just walk off. Right. And then you put your clothes on and walk away. You're like, that was interesting experience there. And then I think, why do these people want me to be the shortest I could possibly be? Those are not great numbers for what normal punters are. Kickers are. I didn't really know what was good.

But the end. So I am 6'1", 233 forever. You put some good shoes on me and I get some lifts. It's a shame that in, like, WWE they can't call me, like, 6'6", because I think I could get up there if I really wanted to. But the NFL has listed me as 6'1", the entire time. Well, they used to do that. I mean, I remember the first time I was watching something, you know, we figured, oh, no.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Hey, we have some breaking news here. Forget how tall I am or how tall Ryan Phillippe is or A.J. Hawk, who's like 6'5". Bruce Feldman's reporting that Maryland versus Ohio State this Saturday is getting canceled per source.

So, is it Maryland? Okay. Does a team in the Big Ten named Maryland, who has Tonga Valoa, a quarterback who's playing very well right now and has been covering like a motherfucker for all the sports gamblers, they have COVID in their building? Or is it Ohio State who has COVID in their building? It's Maryland. Oh, jeez.

Jeez. If that was – now, listen, we hope everybody survives in Maryland, okay? Yep. Listen, that was quite a reaction to learning that it was not Ohio State. We'd like Maryland to know. We hope you all survive this outbreak. We hope everything's okay over there, everything like that. Obviously, we hope you're safe.

But, boy, the Big Ten is pumped that that did not happen to Ohio State. Because it seems like there's four games in the SEC that's been postponed or canceled. Now this one's getting no contest completely in the way the Big Ten set this entire thing up. Michael Lombardi put out a tweet this morning that said, Halloween parties are going to catch up to football players or football facilities. And I think that's right.

I think it potentially happened. And this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out. So that's one game down. So now the Ohio State Buckeyes will either only be 7-0 going into the Big Ten Championship at the most. Could go down to 6, could go down to 5 if it happens to another school. This is interesting. This is very, very, very

interesting, AJ. Hey, but don't you have to play at least six games to be eligible for the playoffs? Yeah, well, for the Big Ten Championship, yeah. And I think everybody just assumes if you win the Big Ten Championship, you will be eligible for the college football playoff. But the college football playoff has come out and said zero rules

about what they are expecting or not. And I would assume that is because they didn't know what was going to happen. If Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State only play three games, they want to be able to go, well, we made that rule earlier, but what we were talking about was boom, boom, boom. This is interesting. In the Big Ten, by the way, I can't hammer this home enough. Leaving zero COVID wiggle room with allowing eight games in only eight weeks

because they initially didn't want the season to happen at all. They give in but go, you wanted it, you got it. Could bite them in the ass completely with this entire thing. When every other league has the ability to postpone and move things around and survive and get going, the Big Ten leaving no wiggle room, could come back to bite them in the ass if the Ohio State ends up getting one little cup of COVID situations, which now here we are with one with Maryland this weekend getting no contested.

Well, and it just said there's an elevated number in the program, so is this the same thing as Wisconsin where they have a bunch of guys and they're basically just going to have to cancel the next three games they play? 21 days, nobody can play because you tested positive. That's tough. Halloween parties too, that hurts, but ugly sweater parties

are right around the corner too, so what's going to happen right before both seasons? What about the Thanksgiving? I mean, let's not even... Oh, geez. Thanksgiving, pretty big day to gather. Takes all of us. Can't do it. Don't give any thanks this year. No.

Be arrogant. There's no way any NFL teams held like their normal Halloween parties, though. Nah, nobody can't. Can't do it. Won't do it. If you did,

it would probably be the safest thing you do. You make a rule like, hey, you have to wear a full-blown mascot mask, like head. You have to be... Your character has to be like a head that you can't take off yeah but something will happen where you know somebody there'll be a drink or a bottle or something or something there'll be something that happens with somebody doing something and somehow two will become 50

or by the way two will somehow not spread at all which seems to be happening on the field in the nfl which uh was something that was talked about yesterday. A.J. Dillon played an entire game with COVID. Nobody else got it. It does stay on mascot surfaces for longer, I read. Okay. That's a fucking new info. By the way, that would be a stat that would come out.

It's like hard objects. It could be on there for three to four weeks, I think was one of the original reports. Like, don't look people in the eyes. You know, can jump from your eye duct to your other eye duct. Don't even look people in the eyes. And then it would have been right on par for back, like, what, a couple months ago for them going. Mascot heads. Now, big problems.

Probably why sports won't be able to happen is because the mascots are super spreaders with all their dancing sweating and moving and grooving and gyrations of their hips need to cut that that would have been something that would have came out just weeks ago i wonder how if ohio state misses another game they're at six and then the shot clock is on for them to get what four more games in without getting another one i mean that's whenever the conversation will really build around the big 10 leaving zero wiggle room for eight games in eight weeks when they could have easily started a couple weeks before that like what everybody else did and give themselves a chance and you know really care about the student human athletes that have dedicated their entire life to a sport and education but now no no because you're

in columbus ohio and somebody in somebody in Maryland happened to potentially get killed. You can't play in a bowl game, or you can't play because these are our rules. Interesting. This is going to be very interesting to see how it plays out. Hope everybody survives. Okay, hope everybody survives. But this is going to be very interesting for the Big Ten.

Well, it's not surprising. I mean, what did we say when the Big Ten announced that they were coming back? I said, all right, cool. Why are we waiting six weeks to implement this? Like when they're already on campus, they're already practicing, going through conditioning, workouts, everything. We said it right when it happened. Like you set yourself up for this.

It's not like it's a surprise. We all knew teams are going to get it. It's going to spread a little bit, but you just left yourself no room. So here we are. I think they should have let teams go out and try to schedule a game quick. It's Wednesday. You think Ohio State can get somebody to play? You know the issue.

They're not allowed to, I don't think, right? No, they're not. Nebraska wanted to earlier, and they didn't let them because they used the guys of like, hey, they don't test their players like we test in the Big Ten. That's how they used it. But I was like, hey, if you can get a team to come in here and play, I think you should be able to do it.

And Nebraska doing that, by the way uh kind of like pulled a a pin on a lot of media people being like is nebraska supposed to be in the big tent like there was almost like a move because nebraska tried to do that nebraska since the beginning wanted to play there's almost been like a turn on like nebraska shouldn't be in the big tent. Is that inaccurate? I feel like I seen that and heard that. Is that not accurate? I am not aware of that. You think because of how they've handled the COVID situation, people say they shouldn't be in the Big Ten?

It just feels like there's been a narrative that Nebraska shouldn't be in the Big Ten for some reason. Their relationship with the Big Ten isn't working. Is Nebraska new to the Big Ten? Yeah, they used to be in the Big 12. I think that's what a lot of it is. Like Nebraska's out ahead of this. They're making all these.

And it's like, well, you guys kind of also fucking stink. So, you know, like, you shouldn't be, like, the representative of the Big Ten. I think that's how a lot of Big Ten fans felt. Okay. So I did know that was a narrative. But it is very interesting that they did try to schedule it. They did want to do it. And then they were kind of turned down for the whole thing.

It's a wild time. Hey, it's a wild time. And you know what I think the biggest problem? The biggest problem is we've got a general that's deciding to sleep in on the job, take the days off because he has paid time off. He's a booze hound. At night, he's got wine or scotch or liquor or tequila. Whatever he could get. And he's asking, like, do I need to drink more or drink less?

It's like, oh, worry about that tomorrow. Why do I even ask that question? General Bob Carpenter has been resting on his goddamn yonis here. This guy's letting these types of things happen without raising one stink, which is a big deal on these internet streets. And I'm reading his tweets, and he's asleep on the goddamn wheel.

God. Well, I think if there's anything that could kind of wake him up from his hibernation, you know, he got a little comfortable because he made things happen. He got the Big Ten rolling again. I think this right now, Ohio State getting the game canceled because of the other team having issues, I think this may wake General Bob up just a little bit. He's probably still asleep right now. You saw his tweet last night.

I mean, you saw it. If he somehow, like, heard this real time, he would instantly, like, send a video probably of him deadlifting on Twitter. You're right, Pat. I'm not asleep. I've been up for 14 hours. Is General Bob Carpenter one of the most interesting people to ever exist? Yeah, he very well may be. He has a very unique brain. Yeah, Bobby is very... He's special. He has a very unique brain. Yeah. Bobby is very – he's special.

He's a special guy to be around. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to another special place. I mean, like, special, unique. He brings a lot to the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, we've talked to him. We understood exactly what you meant.

Let's go to Chase in Wisconsin. What's going on, Chase? All right. Oh, geez. 21 days. He's sleeping, too. Let's go to Stu in Montana. What's going on, Chase? All right. Oh, geez. 21 days. He's sleeping, too. Let's go to Stu in Montana. What's going on, Stu?

Big Stu. Hey, what's going on, boys? Let's go, Stu. Let's go. Let's go, Stu. He's a Montana boy. Well, it's not Christmas. First time caller.

Sorry to cut you off. No, it's okay. What part of Montana are you in, pal? Right now, I'm in Baker working, but I'm from Billings. Okay, Billings. Obviously, that's where school is, I believe. Oh, yeah. Well, one of them.

That's a million-dollar shot, kid, or $10,000 shot, kid. That was in Bozeman. Yeah, that's Montana State, kid. We're talking about University of Montana. Okay, yeah, that's Missoula. Oh, fuck. Oh, shit. What's in Billings?

We're getting there. What's in Billings? Me, getting there. What's in Billings? Me for one. Oh, hell yeah, dude. Nailed it. You know, we got some water towers. There's a small school, like a little community college. All right, appreciate that, man.

I'm going to the hockey rink. Oh, hockey rink. All right. Friday night, go pay five bucks, skate till you can't. I never saw that. How many water towers are there? It's like 300 bucks per year. They make us pay to play. All right, what do you want? This till you can't. I'm an hockey guy. It's like $300 per year they make us pay to play. All right, what do you want to say?

I missed my calling. Yeah, well, maybe this is your calling, this call right here. What do you want to talk about, Bob? Hey, there we go. So I got a question. One of the best things that happened from this election is Montana passed recreational marijuana, you know, good for the vitamins. Was wondering if you plan on investing in the recreational market before it gets big, you know, like for the brand Triple Kush or something like that. Stu, I've tried my best.

It's like the goddamn. The fucking boomstick. You got to really. Oh, yeah, we did. We actually tried to create something. The issue is in all these states that are legalizing the vitamins, there's only a certain amount of licenses. And then the licenses seem to be going to people who have high connections.

Now, could I go kiss the ring of a bunch of people potentially somewhere and try to get in those conversations? I probably could. It's going to be tough for me to do that. But, yeah, I am very open to getting into that particular world as an investor yesterday. Like, yeah, very much so, AJ think ohio what just passed medical don't you guys have medical it's medical not not recreational but what do you mean i i'm sure there are plenty of big uh cannabis companies out there that they would gladly take your money we

know you're a high wealth individual they would easily let you invest what's your problem you can't you're not getting your own license to open up a dispensary, but hey, they would definitely take your money. McAfee's marijuana? Bro, I have a lot of ideas. I have a lot of ideas over there, and I would like to dive into that world a lot. You know, like, you go back to before the Marlboro time, the tobacco takeover.

Now, the way that whole thing came out, obviously not great, but I think that's what marijuana i think the marijuana wave of money that is about to just come in now sports gambling obviously very big i think 1.6 billion dollars was gambled in indiana uh this past month i believe 1.6 billion that was for fandle i believe in all states no 1.6 billion in all states on fandandle is gambled. Like, that's a great business. But I believe the marijuana business is about to be a massive boom. And it's not going to fall off. I think that thing is just going to keep on going.

And I believe there's a lot of forces fighting against it, by the way. Tobacco is one of them. Alcohol is another one. Pharma is another one. And those three are pretty large lobbyist groups aren't cartels working against it too i would assume yeah cartels are probably against and they probably have lobbyists by the way i would assume cartels do have lobbyists in dc so you're talking about big lobbyist groups that are going against it but at some time it will

hit and there will be a handful of people that will get very wealthy off of it and hopefully those people will do you know the right thing and spread the wealth to other people that potentially want to get into business but boy i think there's going to be a couple people are just going to make bazillions of dollars and they're going to be the people that get the licenses in every single state yeah i think you're you're probably we're probably it's probably happening right now but oh yeah states also the states are the ones that get all that extra tax revenue that's when uh that's when you see states start to to legalize oh the indiana governor he wants to see more research all right come the fuck on buddy all right in uh rainwater the uh the libertarian

gubernatorial i watched the gubernatorial debates okay i watched the gubernatorial debates of indiana and they were electric, obviously. And Governor Holcomb, who's the incumbent, I do believe, he won again, Republican, he's obviously super against it for whatever reason. I don't know what it would be. Maybe because the hippies way back in the day painted in a bad light or something. I have no idea why you'd be against it, but his big stance was, I want to see more research that it actually helps or anything like that.

Rainwater off the top rope goes, oh, so you're telling us 37 states' worth of research wasn't enough? It was a real hot topic, and it feels like it's getting to the point where even the most Republican or conservative of states are potentially looking at the benefits economically and everything else that could really go. But it's going to take some time to turn some people, man. I have no idea why, but it's going to take some time, I assume.

Yeah. The weird stigma that comes with it, I think the older generation, younger kids don't have that. Like they don't. No, no. It's not a big deal to them at all. Talk to a high school or college kid now. Okay. Like you mentioned weed. They're like, what do know it's not a big deal to them at all talk to a high school or college kid now okay like you mentioned weed they're like what do you mean like that's that's water to them yeah yeah just about 20 yeah yeah it's only somewhere dude man though think of the

states so how much pressure would you have if you were a governor you were someone trying to to bring in money for your states whatever state you're running think about it though with the covid situation we're gonna need some cash man well not only that with the covid situation but if you look at like your infrastructure and you have the worst potholes in america like you have the worst roads in america and things haven't really been updated in a long long time and there's other stuff you would think you would be a state that has great farmland too that like people and researchers have said like hey this state could really do well if it was to be at you would think if you were a governor you would feel some sort of like hey i'm here to

help this state and make this place better i don't care what the political party you would think that would start to happen but i'm here to tell you the gubernatorial debate i saw it was not it was not even in the conversation but we will wait until that day and we will drive to illinois michigan and ohio all the states around indiana uh that have some sort of things but shout to indiana for overturning cbd last year yeah that was pretty cool that was a cool day let's go to the phones there's 97 cbd shops within a two-mile radius of your place right there. There's a couple water pipe stores

too right down here to inhale your CBDs. It's very nice. Overpriced, but you've got to do what you've got to do and you've got to smuggle things into Indiana. It's probably tough for them. Let's go to Joe in Iowa. What's going on, Joe? What's up, boys? How's it going? Hey, Not Too Shabby. Bob, how are you over there in Iowa? I'm hanging in there. Dirty D, Dububy, Bob. How are you over there in Iowa? I'm hanging in there.

Dirty D, Dubuque, Iowa. Living the dream. How about yourself? Oh, nice. Go Hawks, bro. Go Hawks. Everything's good over here. What do you want to talk about, brother?

All right, so I'm a Bears fan. Bear down, Dino. Actually got a quick question for A.J. Hawks. So my mom went to St. Norbert where the Packers have spring training. We went and visited and accidentally walked in on a team meeting where Big Mike was at the stage and Aaron Rodgers was sitting there. Our

whole family is shell-shocked. No one speaks and I have an autistic brother and he just yelled, Go Bears! In front of the entire fucking team and then we get escorted out from security. Since then, Aaron Rodgers has personally caused me, I think, 14

terrible days of defeating the Bears. My goal is to watch the Bears at Lambeau beat the shit out of the Packers. Let's go! It's probably not going to happen. Let's go to Jonathan in Tennessee. AJ, you remember that?

Big Mike, I don't think, ever stepped foot at St. Norbert's. That's the dorm we stayed at. We never had meetings there, so I don't know where he walked in on everybody. So you're questioning the validity of that guy's story, which I think Ryan Phillippe did to you yesterday. Maybe he was inside the bowels of Lambeau and he somehow stumbled into the team meeting room, which I don't think would ever happen because I never saw an outsider

inside the halls of Lambeau. Speaking of Bows, sorry, that would be crazy to be there. Do you remember when we were in the Bows of that casino in the Bahamas? Oh, yeah, of course. Bro, we were in Ocean's Eleven. Somehow we ended up in these hallways where there was like a vault right here. Whoa. They were just closing the door, and there was like $450 million

just sitting behind us. And we're just walking around. I got my championship belt from that golf tournament on my shoulder. And the people were just like, oh. And then we slowly got like shuffled out of there. The boughs of places, I can tell you, the casino, there was all white paint. There was no windows. There was a lot of turns, so you couldn't really see.

We were the only people in like six different hallways until we weren't and then there was a lot of people in there that just reminded me of that and that guy walking around fucking lambo in the bottom and the bows down there like that's where all the magic is made what's up nick i was you'd be amazed where you can get to in aries if you just walk around casually don't say anything yeah you see this belt you see this belt this is basically what we did it It's a good belt. We walked into a door that we probably weren't supposed to be in, just kind of walked in behind the guys who opened the door. By the way, to our credit, we thought it was the right place.

We just started walking, and that person turns left, and we're like, I guess we'll just keep going straight here. And we just walk around, we turn a corner, and I think everybody just saw the belt and was just like, oh. Let him in. Congratulations. Right this oh, congratulations. Right this way, sir. We could have Ocean's Eleven that thing if we really had any sense

of where we were at the time. Yeah. I mean, probably. And the way I got my teeth kicked in at the casino, they could have at least thrown me a couple hundos to go back up there and give it right back. You are a consummate loser at the casino. Not consummate. The Shazier night, man.

That's a good lesson for anyone out there. If you're going to play blackjack, don't sit next to a guy who played in the NFL. It was a first round pick. He's got a little bit more scratch than you do. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this dumbass show every day. Five days

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