The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 300 - MNF Recap, Aaron Rodgers, Roman Harper, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 24, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys recap last night's Monday Night Football game between the Bucs and the Rams and whether or not Tampa Bay is in trouble, and how the Rams need to be considered a real threat going forward in the NFC. Joining the show, as always, is the Quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers. Pat, Aaron, and AJ chat about this weekend's game against the Colts, and all of his thoughts including his performance, what he said to MVS after the game, he teaches everyone about his process, chats about the gifts he got his teammates, and what he's expecting from David Bakhtiari, plus much more (33:44-1:20:33). Later, Super Bowl Champion, 2x Pro Bowler, former Saints and Panthers great, Roman Harper joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about his thoughts on the Saints so far this season, how he's not quite sold on Taysom Hill just yet, some stories from times he's played against Aaron Rodgers, what Cam Newton is like as a teammate, and much more (1:23:17-1:44:48). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, November 24th. It's a good one. I mean, let's just get right to it, shall we? Yeah, let's do it. Although our bets might be icy cold in this office, we can observe and report. And what we saw last night was something that was a bit startling. The Los Angeles Rams, hell of a win. Hey, hell of a win. Hell of a win, by the way. win. Hey, hell of a win. Hell of a win by the Rams. Hey, Sean, take your flight back from Tampa to Los Angeles and say, you know what? You did good tonight. That was a hell of a win by the Rams. And I think we all agree that if Jared Goff doesn't have pressure on him, Jared Goff is going

to play well. And is that Jared Goff? Yeah, he has to be able to make every throw. But I do believe Sean McVay's offensive wizardry does help out whenever a team doesn't get any pressure on the quarterback he's going to be able to scheme up something to get somebody open now that's not saying that their players aren't making awesome plays and the defense had two big turnovers against Tom Brady and they what I'm saying is I feel like that team if you don't get pressure on Jared Goff you are going to lose And whenever I say that Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, who, by the way, had nothing on the stat sheet last night. Ooh, is that right?

Shout out to A.Q. Shipley, starting center for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who looked like he almost died there at about two minutes left in the game. I did call him this morning. He is not dead. Okay? He is alive. And while I was FaceTiming with him, he was walking around the house. Okay?

So good things are happening with him. I believe it was potentially a stinger. But maybe, I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I just want to let you know I talked to him this morning. He looked good. Aaron Donald, Brockers, and the boys up front, they're also a hell. Aside from last night where they didn't really have that big of an impact on Tom

because A.Q. Shipley and the boys did so good, that defense is able to eat if they want to. I mean, they've got dogs back there. They've got a great defense. And if you don't get pressure on Jared Goff, the offense is going to be able to move. They've got a kicker now, Matt Gay, which Sean McVay said he's jacked, he's yoked up. He has a really interesting swing. It looks like he's just kind of chilling the way he kicks it with Johnny Hecker.

That team, I think last night, made a lot of us go, oh, that's a damn good team. And Jared Goff normally gets a little bit of a knock on him, okay? Normally people are like, Jared Goff is a certain type of way. And I think that's because most of the time, whenever the world watches Jared Goff, it's on prime time. And usually, if they're playing in prime time, they're playing against another good team. And that other good team probably has an ability of getting to the quarterback last night they were able to protect jared goff and he was able to make plays but sometimes in primetime games jared goff gets accosted in the pocket and that causes him to be a little bit of a bad decision maker or three and out and makes the offense look bad so what i'm saying is even though they didn't have whitworth at left tackle they did a hell of a job protecting goff and that

makes me ask one important question what the fuck happened happened to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense? That defense. Jason Pierre-Paul made a couple big plays, had an interception. Goff threw two, so, I mean, there was some plays made, but just a few weeks ago, maybe four weeks ago, maybe a month ago or so, we were talking about how good the Buccaneers defense was because you've got to remember this is the second year Todd Bowles has been down there. Last year, at the beginning of the year, they were terrible.

They were a very young defense. Then towards the end of the year, they were terrible. They were a very young defense. Then towards the end of the year, they ended up being like top 10 defense in everything. This year, starting the season, it felt like that defense was raising hell to their opponents. Last night, Goff was sitting back there very comfortable. A Buccaneers defense that we talked about a few weeks ago as being the reason why the Buccaneers are going to go on a run

because the offense with Antonio Brown, Gronk, Godwin, Evans, Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones, Tom Brady, that offense is going to get going eventually. But the reason why they're going to succeed in the playoffs is because the defense absolutely causes mass havoc. Now, after watching a few games in a row, and even with Winnefeld coming back, their defense is not anywhere near what the New Orleans Saints defense is. Nothing like it. So whenever you talk about the NFC South,

you have to ask a lot of questions. Are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers dead in primetime? Are they dead in primetime? Is Tom Brady not 100% in sync with his wide receivers here going out of Week 11 11 where you would hope that they would at some point be able to tie it together I think you can ask that

question is Tom uh in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a little bit rattled and not where they want to be right now yeah but who's going to win the NFC South you have to go with the team that has the best defense in the Saints defense is so much better than the Buccaneers defense now do we want to do we want to say Tom Brady threw a terrible pick to end that game last night, overthrew Cameron Brate. He's only like one of whatever on deep balls for the last couple weeks. He has an interception. Yeah, he's one of six with an interception,

passing 15 yards plus down the field last night. That stat does not look any better when you look at the last three weeks. It's always been bad. You've got Bruce Arian saying, well, guys were open. You just kind of hit them. And you think to yourself, would Bill Belichick even say shit like this about Tom Brady? No, he wouldn't.

But Bruce Arians has said, hey, you thought Byron called a good game? Guys just got to execute. Which is the classic coach speak of, hey, we fucking had the right plan. Players didn't do shit. Whenever they say execute, that's the whole thing. And whenever Bruce says all this stuff, we appreciate it because it seems like it's probably true if you're watching the same game. If you look at the all 22 or whatever the hell it is, it seems like that's probably accurate. But you immediately have to think like,

is Tom ever going to go to Bruce like, hey, listen, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be down here in Tampa. Not paying any state taxes, god damn it. Before I came down here, I met with the guy that owns the Lightning. They won a Stanley Cup. No big deal. I met with Bill Gates and Jeter and everybody. We're building a town down here. Listen, I like Tampa a lot. But could you just stop with the whole everything you say after games, basically?

It's interesting because you would expect BA not to bury Tom, especially with the conversation that was happening in New England. But it seems like every single game something goes wrong. There's a burial of Tom Brady publicly. And Tom's tough enough to take it, right? He was able to handle Bill Belichick chewing him out in team meetings for 20-plus years in front of everybody. And I heard some former teammate of his say on TV,

it might have been ESPN or Fox, where Tom allowed Bill Belichick to chew him out in front of the rest of the team so that the rest of the team knew, like, hey, I'm taking it, everybody. Tom could have stopped that a long time ago. Tom could have asked to be out of there. Tom took it for 20 years. Now he did want to leave. But Bill never publicly would say, we're on to –

all he would say is, we're on to this. We need to get better on first down, second down, third down, fourth down. What else? We just need to do this. Bill Belichick was the – Bruce Arians has come out on numerous occasions and been like, fuck, quarterback stinks. What do you want to do about it?

So it's very interesting to see how that plays out. And I was heavily on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Still kind of was all the way up until yesterday, and I'm not saying I'm giving up on them right now because there's still a lot of football left, and they're going to make it into the playoffs and Tom Brady in the playoffs I think for whatever even though it's not with the same team and maybe Bill and Tom should have thanked themselves a little bit more for what they had going on together as opposed to apart now realizing

that the grasses might not be greener at the current moment but Tom in the playoffs you assume he might be able to beat somebody now if their defense can't get pressure won't be able to do it so you can't absolutely give up hope. But, boy, that Saints defense watching it the other night and then watching Tampa last night, you automatically think to yourself, like, the Saints offense, it doesn't matter if it's Taysom Hill in there. It doesn't matter if it's Drew Brees in there. They are going to do well.

And Jameis, by the way, Jameis got a big dub for them playing in a half football. And Sean Payton's 6-1 with quarterbacks other than Drew Brees in the last two years. He's very good. But the defense is the determinator in this thing. And I think the Saints' defense is so much better than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' defense. Do the Buccaneers' defense have a chance to turn around? Maybe. Not 100% sure how you do it.

But that's what I took away from last night. Rams, great football team. They have to give their quarterback time. Sean McVay flying back to L.A., having a time of his life. In Tampa, yeah, the offense can't turn the ball over like that, obviously, and you have to be able to move a little bit better, but that defense is not what we thought it was. They actually are who we thought they were last year at the beginning of the season.

They're going to have to figure that out. Pierre Paul, by the way, is an absolute freak, that guy. Absolute freak athlete, hell of a player. They're going to have to figure it out on the defense side of the ball. At Tone Diggs, we all lost gambling last night. Over-under was 48.5, ended up being 51 points, obviously. We hammered the Bucs. You liked the Rams, but you didn't put it out as a pick on Hammer Don.

I actually liked the Rams yesterday, too, but since I was so cold, I decided to fade myself, which there in turn, I think myself knew that I was going to fade me, so it gave the wrong. I am on a cold schneid right now. Yeah, yeah, and I'm going to get off. A.J. Hawk, very hot. We'll talk to him at like 1 o'clock. He's gone two underdogs straight up without the points.

Let's go ahead and make this money. But the under didn't hit, you know. The boys are making plays. The B didn't cover obviously it was a rough night of gambling in week 11 we just need to bury the game ball i think and move forward but what did you see from last night digs bury the game ball and from last night and from this weekend it's super sad and i assume all nfl fans have the sentiments very very sad that bill and tom are struggling like we just don't like to see that as nfl fans those are the last two people we want to see struggle are you bummed out super bummed out about those two stinking very well it does feel like uh bill belichick just lost to the

houston texans who don't have a coach okay ron mcconnell shout out yeah but they lose they lose to the houston texans don't have a coach And Tom Brady, you know, has some failures going on. They're 7-4 right now, by the way. Started out really hot, 7-4. They've got a bye week coming up, which is good. Kind of an older team, maybe get a break or whatever. But there are numerous games behind the Saints right now. And also, football level, there are numerous levels below

where the Saints are at right now. As a Buccaneer backer since the beginning here, I am a bit alarmed with the NFC. Now, we'll talk to a guy here in a couple hours who has a team that has a two-game lead in the NFC North. Now, granted, that defense is going to have to show up too in the playoffs. You look at the Niners, by the way. The Niners go on a run last year.

You know why? Because their defense is so goddamn good. They make it a Super Bowl because of defense. The Saints' defense looked like that type of defense. They look like a great defense who's going to smother an NFC opponent. And that might give the Saints finally an opportunity to make a run at it, but not so fast, my

friends, because in the NFC, you've got a guy named Aaron Rodgers. That's right. That's exactly right. Yeah, I'm very excited to see what he has to say today because this game on Sunday against the Bears is a huge game. They're not, you know, they don't look that great right now, but that's a big game in the NFC North. Bears defense really good, though.

Yeah, very good. Bears defense can take over a game whenever they want. They could also not. I mean, there's both, but if you're Aaron Rodgers preparing for this game, it's like, okay, they got a very fucking good defense. We have to figure out how to beat them because even though their offense

hasn't been anywhere near a good NFL football offense, they could get going. That's a lot of pressure on old Aaron. Hey, Aaron, if you don't score against this prolific defense, there's a chance you lose to the terrible Bears.

That is a wild... Those aren't good. I mean, defense is good. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. Please. Yeah, you're right.

For how long? That's why just as a fan, though, like I'm you're not worried about it at all because they haven't even announced a starter yet. I mean, like, who knows who's going to play quarterback? And does it even matter? What's the habit? Mitch is in the room. Announce his name.

He's in a run of the tunnel. There's going to be nobody in the stands. If you're behind the TV, they're going to be nobody in the stands. He's strong. Everyone behind the TV is going to be yelling. Yeah, yeah. Two weeks of game film, though. Bears offensive line also dog shit. They cannot run the ball. Which is good news for the Packers defensive line.

Huge. On another game that's coming up in a couple days, Steelers-Ravens. The Ravens had J.K. Dobbins and Mark Ingram test positive yesterday. Okay, after their game on Sunday where they looked very bad at football. Well, not very bad. They lost to the Titans, but there was signs of trouble in Baltimore. Now there's even more positive tests coming out of the Ravens.

Who knows who they are? Who knows how this affects Thursday? But there's a big Thanksgiving turkey bowl in the AFC North between the Steelers and the Ravens, and more Ravens are kind of getting knocked off here. Who is it? Do we know anything about it? Digs.

Do we have any updates on who's got the vid? And by the way, we hope all of them survive as of yesterday. Fuck the football. Yeah. We just hope they survive as of yesterday. Yes. Thoughts and prayers.

First and foremost, he's a piece of health as well. It takes all of them. If you die, you can't play football. So let's worry about not dying first. JK Dobbins and, and,

uh, Mark Ingram at Brandon Williams. Their nose tackle was at as of yesterday and then this morning about 20 minutes ago there was tweets that there have been more positive tests today but we don't know who they are yet hey if that is a locker room that hates their coaching staff okay and i'm not saying they do i'm just saying if it is be a lot easier to not give a damn about the protocol yeah you're like fed up with a group of people and i'm not saying that do. I'm just saying if it is, it would be a lot easier to not give a damn about the protocol where you're like fed up with a group of people. And I'm not saying that they have. I'm just saying there's been a couple things that have happened that make you think that maybe the players and the coaching staff aren't on the same.

And I'm not talking about the defense, right? I think the defense and – what's his name? Wink Martindale. Wink Martindale. Rob Van Winkle. Why don't you change your name? Wink Martindale. Wink Martindale. Rob Van Winkle. Why'd you change your name? Nothing rhymes with Winkle. Dance, which is a lie, by the way, by Jim Carrey in that skit.

A lot of things rhyme with Winkle. Tinkle. Sprinkle. Wrinkle. Wrinkle definitely won. He played a character. But the, fuck. Oh, yeah, the Ravens.

The Ravens, it feels like there's a chance the offense, okay? The big trust, woo-woo last year. It feels like they're not loving the culture as much as they did in the past. Harbaugh's out there fighting an entire team. Nobody goes out there. The statements by Hollywood Brown

and by Lamar, now there's some protocols probably being broken. It's like, is all hell broken loose over there in Baltimore. And do we fade Baltimore going forward? I think we have to at this point. I would assume that the Steelers who are minus four against the Ravens, which is crazy because the Buccaneers were minus four last night against the Rams. That's wild.

The Steelers are minus four against the Ravens. Ravens have, who knows, out alongside three starters. This feels like you hammer the Steelers situation. But AFC North football, you never know what's going to happen. Yeah, you never know. You really don't. You really don't. It's hot in the kitchen in the AFC North.

I would fade the Ravens after Thursday. Don't do it Thursday. No, I'm fading them. Yep. This thing's got to get hot again. Big time fade. This thing needs to get hot again. A lot of people are saying this is potentially like a Clemson-Florida State situation

for Thursday night, what the Ravens are doing. Hey, by the way, awesome shit between the coaches, Mike Norvell and Dabo Sweeney. Dabo's saying that Florida State basically forfeited and they used COVID as a disguise to say we don't want to play Clemson. And then Mike Norvell coming out and saying, coaches aren't doctors. I'll listen to what the fucking doctors say. Not Gabbo, Sweeney, or whatever.

That was very interesting because that was one of my locks of the weekend. 35, I think they were favored by or whatever. They just get done losing and there's a chance that that team's going to come out and blow the absolute doors off of the Florida State Seminoles. But, hey, somebody traveled with it potentially, which could have lingered into every player on the team, which then could have went over to the Florida State team. They got to do what they got to do. It's just like Temple this past weekend.

Temple player's girlfriend tested positive day of game. How do they know that, by the way? I mean, if you're her, you should probably wait until after game that it gets tested. Well, I'm just saying. Did it get tested as well? How did she get tested on, a wednesday just randomly and then she told her boyfriend and her boyfriend was like hey uh my girlfriend got coven they're like stop the show

hold on get the fuck out of here you need to get out of here also we need to call east carolina tell them everybody needs to be tested immediately there's a lot of interesting shit going on at this stage of the season. Ole Miss just stopped their football for four weeks. It will resume December 7th. Yeah. Just paused all football activities. Yeah. I saw it on the ticker yesterday.

Apparently they hate Mike Leach too. That's Mississippi State. Oh, my bad. Other one. Yeah, Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin goes, fuck it. Stop it. We talked to Lane Kiffin before the SEC season started,

and he was just reading a list of all the ways that this could be fucked up, by the way. He was like, I've talked to other SEC coaches, and numerous of them have told us that there's no way they could play a game this weekend if they had to with the way these protocols are. I'm looking at my players. They're getting this. They're not allowed to do this.

And I'm getting paid and told to go beat Bama. So, I mean, there's a lot going on now with these you know positive tests communication postponement of games i mean with this ravens thing how many more with the contact tracing if you think any of the contact tracing is accurate science or whatever how does only two have it than three because you're around each other so much i don't know a lot of question marks remain in this whole covid game nobody knows i would assume for the nfl it's because they know we need nfl football on turkey day so you know you can't have all these guys and then because like at what point would they actually oh so you're saying these tests aren't no i'm just saying at what point would they actually cancel the game i don't think they're gonna do that anymore because the 49ers had how many people out against the packers

after that 49ers packers game i felt like that was basically the NFL saying, hey, listen, the show's going to go on. Remember, the NFL said this in June. We do not care about competitive fairness or whatever to the teams whenever it revolved around COVID. That's why early, whenever they were rescheduling games and moving things around, I think a lot of the NFL people were very surprised by this because the practice squad was supposed to be deeper,

the workouts were supposed to be deeper. And we were told that competitive fairness does not matter. And then as you start looking at that game happening, the Ravens game happened, maybe that is the mindset. Like, hey, we got Super Bowl scheduled. Yeah, we got the hotels for four weeks after. That's for us to hang out in. That's for Old Commission to hang out in.

The show goes on. That's a three-week vacation for Old Commission afterwards down there in Tampa where it seems like their stadiums are the only ones that are filled anywhere. Florida's like, come on in. You want to cheer for your squad? Come on in. And every commentator is like, kind of nice to have the buzz. I'm surprised they're not told in their ears, is it nice that people are dying?

Like as soon as they say it, I'm surprised. Because every commentator, when there's a little bit of a crowd, they go, really, really nice to have a little buzz. Feel the energy in here. And I'll assume immediately afterwards it's like, is it nice? Quarter of a million people are dead. Is it nice?

What I said moments ago was actually false. It does not feel nice. It's terrible. It feels dangerous. I hate it. So no eating turkey. At Viva La Zita, what do you mean? Thanksgiving game.

Are they not going to do the turkey thing? The turducken? Yeah. The turkey leg? Yeah. Player of the year? They can't do it. Did they not going to do the turkey thing? The turducken? Yeah. The turkey leg? Yeah. Player of the year? They can't do it. Did they always do that?

Yeah. See, I never, like when we played, there was no chance any of us were going to win. We just jogged in there and kind of tried to get out of there as fast as we could. Damn. You know what I mean? There's a picture of Big Ben just gnawing on a big turkey leg. Yeah, Lucas Oil Stadium after throwing for $500. Yikes.

Jesus. That hurts. Did he throw any better after throwing for 500 yards. Yikes. Jesus. That hurts. Did he throw any better balls than me that night? Probably not. I think he had a deep ball down the right side of Antonio. Yeah, but it was wobbling. Yeah. I threw it.

Hey, you watched the replay back. That was maybe the tightest fire I've ever thrown in my entire life. Yeah. Was that the first or second time he threw for like 400 plus against you? Second, yeah. Second time, yeah. We should have known it was coming. We did not prepare for it.

Because Lev Bell was playing running back. The other one was in Hines and Marty Bryant went off, if I remember. Yeah, he did a front flip in the end zone there one time. Yeah, it was awesome to watch. It was really cool, yeah. Yeah, the alien. We lost by 400

and then they sent Antonio Brown out to return punts in the fucking fourth quarter with four minutes left. Fucking asshole, Danny. Hey, asshole out there doing this. Somebody showed me the highlight or whatever. Antonio Brown, also a really good punt returner in the video of him.

If you look at the bottom, it's 30-4 or something like that in the fourth quarter with four minutes left. It's like, why is this guy in the game, Danny? And you just got this special teams corner, choose gum on his side like, fuck McAfee. I know you guys have given up. We haven't. We're going to try to ruin your entire year right here.

And they did. And make a gift that lasts forever. By the way, another thing, working against the Ravens on Thursday night, Steelers will be wearing Color Rush. They are undefeated in Color Rush. Except for one game. And that one game was when we were there and Duck was a quarterback. Why are they wearing the Bumblebees, dude?

They retired. They retired them? I think so. People didn't really like them. I did. At Viva La Zeta, what is the poll for the day? We got one right here. Oh, yeah.

We got a Bumblebee. We got a Bumblebee right here. That was very nice of Steve. We should send that because we talked about it one time. Now, they could have drafted me, and that could have been real, but it just wasn't. Son of a bitch. Very, very nice of them.

Attaboy, Foxy. There it is. Hey. Struggled there. I was looking at seven different cameras. Poll today. Do you think Tom and Bill secretly miss each other? Question mark.

Okay. So right now, absolutely not. 10.1%. 12.4% is no. 37.3% a little bit. I'm going backwards this time. Did you notice that? No, you're doing good. Thank you. And 37.3% a little bit. I'm going backwards this time. Did you notice that? No, you're doing good.

Thank you. And 40.2, absolutely. By the way, you did that the right way. Yeah. What do you mean? You led to the leader. Oh, no, no, I know that. I was doing the percentage before I announced the name.

I switched it up today. I switched it up. I like that. At Viva Lozito. By the way, the poll was right yesterday on what we should have bet on. They had Rams and the over. Both of those things hit. So shout to the people maybe getting right back on the right side of things

for gambling as we continue to get cold. Do you think Tom Brady and Bill Belichick secretly miss each other? Such a good question. Such a good question. Great question. At night, head down, just had the avocado ice cream. You're laying on what, like 40 million count, thread count sheet. Just about.

With probably some, you know, Egyptian god things in there. Silk. Silk there. Laying your head down his side. Right before, you know, Giselle just fell asleep a little bit or something like that. And you have that moment to yourself. There's no TV in there. no way does Tom Brady have a television in his there's no TV pitch black okay

no sound at all films off you're just laying there Tom Brady you think he goes I mean Bill Belichick would have fucking be able to figure this out for sure right absolutely not then he closes his eyes and he goes to sleep wakes up the next

morning and tries to bury those thoughts as much as possible and move on bill belichick he's laying down okay on his couch in his office just got done watching film yeah he's bad you mean of the offense and nobody's in there okay the nfl films camera somehow isn't there with the do your job thing he's just you know he's in there all by himself on that terrible couch. Guy's made probably $100 million just sleeping on a terrible couch in his office. And there's moments there where he takes the dry erase marker while he's laying down. And he throws it up in the air and he catches it. And he throws it up in the air and he catches it.

And he goes, God damn it, I wish fucking Tom Brady was here. And then he throws it in the trash can, and then he puts the covers over his head and he goes to sleep, wakes up the next morning, tries to push those things away. I bet that happens. I bet that has happened at least five to ten times this year for both of them. No way. Brady's throwing to Mike Evans, Godwin, Antonio Brown,

and Scotty Miller, Rob Gronkowski. He doesn't want to be in New England throwing to Jacoby Myers, Isaiah Ford, and Zubin Mahenty. Yeah, but they say Zubin. When Zubin gets Zubin, there's a problem for everybody. Absolutely. But Dante Moncrief started for him, and he was just coming off the practice squad. That's what I got.

He's throwing to nobody. Dante Moncrief is something. Yeah, absolutely. But he's not Godwin or Evans or AB. Tom doesn't want to be in New England. And honestly, I don't think we're any better if Tom's in New England. He's still throwing to nobody. And we're still running the ball 35 times a game.

What does that have to do with Bill? What I'm saying is, you talking like you're fucking Bill Belichick Probably 2-8 if we have Brady At least with Cam we can run the ball Cam leads the league in rushing touchdowns And COVID No he doesn't He only spread it to one person

I think there's a couple teams Tennessee had 22 people Look around the league. The Raiders, I mean, their whole entire defense and O-line. How did he get it again? He got a hat from Nashville. What's that? I thought he went to Nashville for a hat.

Cam? Yeah. Potentially, that's the story we'll stay with, not the one we heard. The one we heard is awesome for Cam, obviously. Similar to the Ravens situation, I'm sure. And similar to the Marlins. Oh, that was a big train. It's not true.

And track. Yeah, it's not where it's at now. But all that stuff, I would assume that they, you know. I mean, whenever Tom, and Tom would never say this publicly, obviously. And Tom and I have had, you know, one interaction on Twitter. Right. Great glasses. I don't know where they are.

He was wearing them on Monday Night Football. Oh, yeah. As he walked into the stadium. Looked good. It was like a fucking commercial for the Kloos brand or whatever the hell it is. Kloos Brady collab or whatever. But whenever he sees Bruce in these post-game pressers,

guys were hoping we just couldn't hit him or whatever. Mike Evans should have caught the ball. He just chose not to. Or he just chose not to throw to him the ball. You know, if we could execute and maybe understand the offense a little bit more. All these comments that are coming up. I bet you Tom's sitting there just looking at him. He's like, this motherfucking guy.

Yeah. How many times is this guy going to keep saying things? But then he'll come in and say, hey, I enjoy criticism. It's the way it is. That's part of one of my great talents is that i've been able to be coachable for 20 years here while becoming a goat but there has to be a little bit i would assume on both sides like we had a good thing we fucking ruined it we had egos gotten away we had a good thing we had a good thing you got to think tom turns on the film and he's probably seeing the same thing ba's seeing

you know the only difference is that bruce is just telling everybody about it and Bill would just keep it to himself what just popped up on the screen there I see we had some stats of some sort pretty good stat per next gen stats from NFL research Tom Brady was 0-6 with two interceptions on deep passes against the Rams we saw somebody say one but okay NFL research says 0 Brady

is 0-19 on deep passes in his last four games and missed on his last 22 deep attempts. Jesus. That's the longest streak for any QB since 2017. Weeks 1 through 7, Tom was 14 of 39 on deep passes. Weeks 8 through 11, he's 0 of 19. Three interceptions. Weeks 1 through 7, he had two touchdowns in that span with zero interceptions with a passer rating of 101.2.

Last three weeks, his passer rating on deep balls zero wow that's is it smarter for the bucks to get the five seeds so they can play the nfc east instead of the one seed and right now they're right now tastes a little treat if the playoffs started today they'd play the green bay packers tastes a little treat for everybody well by the way that was the buccaneers defense against the green bay packers that we were like, hey, this defense could be problematic. They were in Aaron's grill. I mean, they were jumping passes. They look like a completely different team defense that week

than they have since then. A couple games ago, was it 21-zip two minutes into the game? And not that it was all the defense's fault, but I'm just saying there was not a single stop for a field goal. It was like 21-nothing before the game even started. It was like, well, Buccaneers are dead. They're absolutely dead. It's been wild down there.

Not how any of us could have expected. Let's get to a phone call here before we get to our first break. 1-888-MAD-DOG-6. By the way, let's go to Michael over there in Paris, France. Bonjour. Ça va, Michael? Bonjour. ça va? Ça va, comme ci, comme ça.

You know, hammer ice call day. Oui, oui. Oui, oui, yeah, yeah, yeah. To a audible football? Oui, oui, oui. I'm actually American, so I have a question about picking tees for you. Why are you living in Paris? Don't they hate us over there?

I mean, I've been over there, and they hated me over there. Oh, you're in Paris, Texas? Oh, no. No, Paris, France, it's quite amazing, you know? I'm from Overland Park, Kansas, where your intern, Matthew McConaughey, answered my phone call. He's from there as well, from what I understand. Oh, you're calling himhey, answered my phone call. He's from there as well, from what I understand. Oh, you're calling him.

He's saying, yeah, all right, all right, all right, all right. Yeah, he answered and said, hey, Michael, where are you coming from? I said, Paris. He said, all right, all right, all right. That a boy, man. Hey, that's what I'm saying. That's actually pretty good. Are you really in Paris, France right now or Paris, Texas?

I think I spoke over you there. No, no, I am in Paris, France right now Or Paris, Texas? I think I spoke over you there No, no, I am in Paris, France I moved here with my wife She's French, it's my off season in America So I'm here Do you love it over there or hate it? I love it, it's awesome Never heard somebody say that before

Never ever heard somebody from America say it And that is not me I assume that there are some really good people, but I've never really heard an American say, you know what? Went to Paris, loved it. Great people. I mean, it's beautiful over there, obviously. A lot of history. You're the first person. I feel like I've talked

to numerous, big into art museums and stuff like that, because the Louvre is there, obviously. The Arc de Triomphe is over there. I've been to Paris myself a few times. I've never. Michael, you love it over there. Yeah, yeah.

All the architecture and everything is just the chef's kiss. But I'm a big rugby fan. Rugby is big over here, so it fits well. Okay. Well, the food stinks, except for the hot dog and the baguette. I love the hot dog and the baguette. That thing was unbelievable. Now, this is me, not me not you michael obviously i have much different tastes than you you seem to be a much more cultured and sophisticated man and i've met some cool

people from france it's not me saying that i'm just saying normally you go to this is interesting you're an anomaly i do believe what do you want to talk about i just had a question about uh what kind of cheese nfo players and ncaa kickers use um i'm a rugby player and me and some of the boys were kicking today and they asked me about american kicking cheese and i wasn't too sure what types of cheese you guys use because in rugby um there's all different types of cheese that hold the ball different ways and at different angles and most of them are created by some of the world's best kickers um so my question for you is what type of uh cheese do you guys use and is there

going to be a pmi uh kicking tea since you are one of the household names within the uh the brand oh huh hey au revoir michael appreciate that very nice of him uh not grazie uh Au revoir, Michael. I appreciate that. Very nice of him. Not grazie. Merci. Merci.

Merci beaucoup. Merci beaucoup. Not messy. Beaucoup. Yeah, to Michael. Merci beaucoup to Michael. I got chased down the street by a fucking street vendor in Paris. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Smell bad? I tried to buy some ice cream or whatever. Two people working the ice cream little vending thing. All right? Just got done with the game. Two people were working in there. I'm having a full conversation with a guy. Okay?

Guy, French guy, talking to me, takes my money. I give him like, I think it was a buck fifty franc or whatever. Okay. A buck fifty francs or whatever the hell it was. It was before they went to the Euro. So I give him the francs, but they might still be on. I'm not 100% sure. I give him the money.

He goes back. Other guy comes up now asking me for my money to pay. So I go, no, no, I paid that guy. That guy all of a sudden doesn't speak any fucking English. Whoa. No, no, no, no, no, no. Doesn't speak any English. So I go, I'm not.

By the way, I think I'm like 13 at this point. Same exact human I am now. I'm not fucking paying again. So I walk away. I'm walking down the street. Get chased down the street by guy or whatever as drag almost like drags me back and i go i paid you did i not pay you now there's a little bit of a spectacle because i'm okay from an american soccer team coming over there right so

now there's there's a little bit of a spectacle guy finally starts speaking english then we kind of get shooed away i was treated like that basically everywhere by the way did you get your dipping dots if you want it wasn't Dippin' Dots. It was soft serve. It was soft serve. It was pretty good. It was right there. I think it was in front of the Notre Dame.

Ooh, the church. Yeah, Ceylon's. They yell, by the way, through that whole thing if you make any noise, but they're yelling Ceylon's in there. Very interesting over there. If you want to know how people feel about Americans, just drop me right into the middle of the country. Cause I am the stereotypical American and I'll be able to tell you

immediately upon landing, how they feel about you. The French did not like me at all. Even as a teenager, uh, whenever they did not like me at all. And guess what? The Irish fucking hated me.

Really? I thought I was going to be like, welcome to home. Like I was a hero. Patrick McAfee, the boy had done good on a court County or County Cork. No way. Stupid Yankee.

I got called that. More in Ireland than anywhere else on Earth. Been to Morocco. Had like a celebration for me earlier. It was really nice. Got pickpocketed. You would know, too. You got America written all over you.

Oh, yeah. As soon as I land. If you would like to know, just go ahead and pick me up. Like, I think the government should potentially do that, you know, with whatever's going on with relations, international relations. Just go ahead and pick me up and drop me in the middle of a city, and I'll be able to tell you within three minutes how they feel about us. They hate us. Hey, how's it going?

Fuck you. All right. Check this one off the list. This is Ireland again. This is Ireland again. I couldn't even get a beer at some places in Ireland. It was insane. Did you get to the Eiffel Tower in Paris or no?

Yeah, it's a long walk. It's a beautiful city it's a very nice city it's so old everyone's hacking bots too right I think it's all Europe though I think that's like a big Europe thing the food though was so bad it was so so bad

it was so bad I mean this is my experience but it feels like every time we talk. Anyways, I've never heard somebody say that, like, Paris, shout out to Michael from Kansas or whatever. Yeah. That is in Paris. And maybe our international relations with Paris will come around because I saw a couple wee-wees in the chat. It's great to know that since I'm 13 years old, that's 20 years ago.

Things are a little bit different. Here we go. We have to clarify a story that kind of captivated us and took the world by storm this morning. Strength and conditioning coach Marcus Paul of the Dallas Cowboys, although it was reported by Sports Illustrated Now reporter Mike McAllister that he had passed away, he has not passed away. He is in the hospital undergoing further treatment.

We apologize for furthering the tweet in the news that was broken by Mike McAllister. Obviously, that is not a cool thing to do. Not happy about it. We tried to do our research. It was retweeted by prominent people and spoken about by prominent people in the world that knew him and knew of the situation. We thought that was the case. Turns out it was not. So we would like to know the Marcus Paul, his entire family and everybody down there. Our thoughts and prayers are still going your way. Good wishes.

We apologize for perpet... perpetuating. Perpetuating, that's right. Perpetuating a story that wasn't true. We thought it was. That's on us. We should have done a little bit more research. Maybe reach out down there. But, T's and P's to Marcus Paul.

We're pulling for you, by the way. Guys not dead. Good news. Come on, Marcus. Joining us now is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. Man, he threw for over 300 yards. A couple touchdowns. Three touchdowns this past Sunday in an overtime loss to the Indianapolis Colts. Ladies and gentlemen,

Aaron Rodgers. Yeah! There we go now. Sunday in an overtime loss to the Indianapolis Colts. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. What's going on? Oh, new background. What happened? Was the overtime loss that bad? We moved. We moved.

We're in a new room. What's going on, dude? Yeah, menu changed. Oh, no. Can't hear you. Can't hear you. Rich Eisen got all the clear audio there. We couldn't even hear what you said. This is unbelievable, Aaron.

Is this your office here? Did the audio not work? Yeah, it's like cutting in and out. We might have to call you back maybe. It's probably on our end. I guarantee it's our fault, not your fault. Why am I hearing? Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

Yeah, we got to call you back. You look good, though. I want to let you know the office looks good and you look good. Is that his office, AJ? Have you ever been in that? What is that? Yeah, that looks like his office there. His Green Bay house.

Bro, I walked into Peyton's office one time. Whoa. I walked into Peyton's office. I went to the bathroom first, which was, so he had an event gathering. It was supposed to be happening in the living room or whatever, you know. And I was like, where's the bathroom? They're like down in the hall or whatever. I go to the bathroom.

There was these incredible PM napkins after you wash your hands. I love that. I need a couple of these because that also works for me as well. I'm going to put one of these also in my bathroom. You know what I mean? People are going to think that I have custom. And then I go over across the hall was his office, and there was no way I was supposed to walk in there.

The amount of, I mean, MVP trophies, obviously. You have the Lombardi in there, then the pictures with people. The office was just, it was very humbling. And normally very successful people say things are humbling because it makes them realize how much work they have to continue to put in to be where they're at. For me, it was very humbling because I looked around in an office that

I would never be able to build. This place is awesome. Joining us again from his office, ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. There we go. Are we working now? Yeah! Woo! Okay, good.

I saw the intro there, and I actually heard the news as well that, you know, they had pronounced the strength coach down in dallas that he had passed and he hasn't he hasn't passed that's correct yeah that's interesting it's that's one of those situations whenever you hear that an entire schedule has been canceled in the middle of the day non-covid related you automatically assume something big happened and then when that news came out it was like all right that that would make sense. And it's incredibly sad. But I guess he is in the hospital undergoing further testing. Obviously, we hope that all works out. Mike McCarthy down there, is he the right guy? We talked to AJ about this, how he tells stories about his family. And now we're hearing stories

about him with a watermelon in a sledgehammer the night before a game. Your thoughts on that? And also, what type of message you think Mike McCarthy sent to the team right now? Yeah. You know, I think Mike is definitely the right guy for situations like this. You know, I feel like he always had good messages in times of adversity.

You know, I did always appreciate and then would encourage him when he would ask me what I thought he should talk about was to speak from the heart. Because Mike's got a big, huge one and he's a big teddy bear underneath that Pittsburgh toughness that he has. So I know that he'll be able to send the right message. I'm not surprised about the watermelons. I think it's awesome. Mike would mix it up from time to time. Never smashed any watermelons,

but he was always switching up the messages from year to year, from week to week. And theme of the week, having different guys speak, generals of the week, he would call them. So I'm not surprised by that. I bet that was something to see for sure. How juiced do you think the room would have been if Matt Klein, who was kind of, you know, he plays a big role in Green Bay still.

Matt Klein would have just, I mentioned earlier in the show, brought out a wheelbarrow full of watermelons and a sledgehammer. Like, that room had to explode, don't you think, down in Dallas? My God. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people were confused at first but excited about what was going to go on. I'm hoping that Big Mike smashed the first couple, though, to kind of set the tone.

I hope he didn't pass them off to Rob Davis or Joe Philbin or somebody to smash the first couple. Mike wheeled that thing and beaten the hell out of it. Let's talk about your game. Seems like maybe LaFleur should grab a sledgehammer and a watermelon maybe this upcoming week. Big game against the Bears, okay, divisional game. You guys still have a two-game lead in the division, which is a big deal. But any time the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers lose a game, especially if it's on primetime, the whole world's going to talk about it.

Your thoughts on how Sunday went? Thought you played well, by the way. Just want to let you know. Thought you played really well. I picked you in our survivor pool against our thing, so, you know, I ended up losing that, but it was, the game

was an incredible game. It was a lot of fun to watch that game go back and forth. Now, granted, it didn't end how you guys wanted it to, but that felt like a playoff matchup almost. Yeah, I think it felt like that, and just to give you a small piece of advice, Pat, as a best friend,

if you're going to pick us in a survivor pool, maybe when I come on the show on a Tuesday, you should throw out some positivity instead of these threats about 53 for the Colts. I know! I pissed them off! I know, I know, I know.

We had a nice conversation during the TV timeout. They showed that. How'd it go? Oh, they showed that? Yeah, they showed it. Was there a lip reading that went on? No, nobody guessed what you were saying, but it looked like it went more positive, I think, than a lot of people thought it was going to. How did that conversation go? I wanted to see if he was actually sensitive about it or not. Because as I mentioned to him, I know Fred, I've known Fred since he was

a pre-drafted guy. And I don't know him. I had never met him. I never played with him against him before. So I had nothing to go off of other than his film, which was impressive. But we had a nice little 30-second combo, and I felt like it wasn't the old well. Had there been, that would have been fine. I think it's part of the game. If somebody hates you or wishes you not to be well, that's fine. That's part of the game. But I think I was just gauging where he was at mentally.

I didn't feel like there was a ton of animosity, just a personal desire to change my opinion, I guess. The thought of you testing the water here for every decision you have to make going forward when you're running is so funny. It's like, is this guy going to try to Greg Williams me and potentially rip my head off? Or is he kind of not that mad? He's a good dude, by the way. Hell of a player, too.

Yeah, he is. He really is. He's a great player. Late in the game, they wouldn't show up because I play for the Packers, but I had a pretty sweet no-looker to Devontae on the last drive that I'd kind of set up for a few plays. Because Darius is so athletic side to side, he loves reading your eyes, and I just kind of came back and looked left

and then looked outside him on the right and threw it behind him. I just kind of came back and looked left and then looked outside. I'm on the right and threw it behind him to. I'm so thankful Patrick Mahomes brought that into the NFL. Yeah. You know what I mean? Good for him. Yeah, I know.

It's just none of us have been doing it for a long time. You know, I will say this. You know, a guy who probably doesn't get anywhere near the credit. Brett. We're doing shit like that all the time. He wears number nine and plays in Detroit. That dude, what he does with the ball, it's impressive. It's really, really impressive.

And, you know, I know Dan Orlovsky will highlight some stuff from time to time, sure, because they play together and they're good friends, which he should. But that dude is throwing crazy no-lookers all the time. Like, and he can throw from any arm angle. Like, I don't think he gets – maybe it's Detroit. Maybe it's, you know, based on, you know, they haven't, you know. Hey, Scott, lost 20 to nothing to the Panthers. They just lost 20 to nothing to the Panthers.

I mean, that's – I know, I know. But, you know, they had some guys out, Pat. Let's take it easy. What are you working on there? Are you working on your golf swing? Yeah, I think so. I've been pretty fidgety today, I've learned. I played with this tape roll a little bit ago, this Vinatieri football.

I don't know what's going on. I'm pretty fidgety today. I'm just trying to – You've got to pick your meds there, bro. No. Well, there's a massive water pipe out there with vitamins, and I've been going pretty ham at that. Maybe that is the problem.

Maybe that is the problem. I saw – yeah, I feel like I saw something that maybe one of your buddies was working with. Yeah, CBD for my bad knees. Yeah, of course. Of course for that guy. Hey, guys.

It's a plant, bro. That's all it is. That's it. That's all it is, Aaron. But in this particular state, it's 25 to life. So CBD, you know, that's all we – Strict woman. CBD. I remember the no-look pass, and I think I even wrote down in my notes. Like, because I think Brett did a lot of that too, right?

Wasn't Brett a pretty big no-look pass guy? Like, that was almost what he was known for at what point at what point do you start doing that you're just comfortable have you always done it i started doing it when i saw him doing it all the time so i started working on practice all the time and there's a famous story where and not famous to anybody but it's one of my favorite ones about mike sherman mike sherman was the coach at green bay before age was there in 2005, my rookie year. And, you know, we weren't very good that year. We finished 4-12. And Friday's practice was like a feel-good.

They called it feel-good Friday. So they wanted me to throw a bunch of interceptions. Well, no, sorry. Okay, this was before feel-good Friday. Feel-good Friday was after. This was Saturday. So Saturday was feel-good Saturday. And so it was more of a walk-through speed, but it was kind of

jog-through-ish. They wanted me to throw a pick every play, which I refused to do. So what I would do is I told all my guys to run a little bit faster, and then I'm going to throw no-look passes the whole time. So I did about, after a few weeks of that,

got word down from Sherman to Darryl Bubba, my quarterback coach. He said, hey, tell the rook to stop fucking throwing no-look passes. So I was like, OK, yeah, maybe I'll cut back on this. That's awesome. So you actually stopped? Yeah, I just stopped as many. I still, you know, had to get a couple in there. You know, whenever I used to play against the defense,

I was quarterback, had to read a card, you know, one, two, three here, this is where you're looking at. And I threw a pick, I think, 100% of the plays I played. It was really awesome. 100% completion. They loved you. They loved you. Oh, except for New Orleans Saints week,

I threw for 4,000 yards when they had Jimmy Graham up the seam. We were running Tampa 2 every single time. Speaking of, the seam ball, minute 30 left or whatever, post ball, whatever you ran there, you see the mic, Okariki has to sprint backwards. Before that play even happens, and you're throwing that deep ball out of the end zone, do you know that's where you're probably going to end up at

with the way the coverage was? Well, there's so much to unpack. First of all, it's November 24th. Got to say happy birthday to Jimmy Graham, who we just brought up. Happy birthday, Jimmy! Happy birthday, Jimmy! I think he's got a plane. Yeah, Jimmy not only has a plane,

which is a fun fact about Jimmy, but he also has a helicopter. He redid a Vietnam-era Huey. Most people don't know this about Jimmy because Jimmy doesn't do a lot of interviews, doesn't like talking to the media, which I respect.

I think he's kind of more the money Marshawn Lynch mindset. He just goes about his business and plays. Anyway, so what Jimmy does, though, Jimmy takes a lot of former Vietnam vets and Wounded Warriors up in the helicopter, and also kids as well. But he does an amazing outreach work with both his planes,

but especially with both his plane and his helicopter, but really more with the helicopter. That's awesome. And does some really awesome stuff down in Miami. And love playing with Jimmy. He's a super, super guy. And celebrating him today. And going to give him a call later on.

Happy birthday, Jimmy. Happy birthday, Jimmy. Love you, Jimmy. But to answer your story, and I said this after the game, I told Marquez on the sideline, I said, there's going to come a time, this is in the beginning of the fourth quarter, I said, there's going to come a time here in the fourth where I'm going to have to throw one up to you at some point

based on how they've been playing it. Because there was, I believe that there was opportunity if I could hold the safety outside to kind of lay one up out there at some point. Didn't get a chance. We had a third and eight on um on our second last drive we went forth i threw it to tony on tony on the play and set up a fourth and one but if i drifted a little bit more left i probably could have labeled up to marquez so i saw that again on the uh on the

surface on the sideline oh nice and just knew that i i should probably take a shot now first down uh threw it to Allen. We dropped it. I'm kind of glad he dropped it. It probably would have wasted time and not given us the first down. And then, you know, third and ten there, backed up in our own end zone. It just was the right coverage to lay one up there. And actually I hitched out to the corner route to Marquez's side

just to hold the safety. If you go back in slow-mo, which you guys probably wouldn't be able to do, but the safety at the throw point moves a little bit to his right, which gives Marquez just enough space to come down with that. And that got us going on the drive. Yeah, it takes a big gut sack to do that, by the way. Big gut sack to do that. It does.

Hey, Aaron, when you're sitting there and you know it looks like, hey, we're going to get the ball back probably down three, end of regulation when you're strapping that old helmet on and your one-button chin strap that obviously does nothing for protection. What's going through your head right now? Let's get

seven. That's going through my head. Let's get seven and then this. That's the big mindset, but the little one is let's get a first down's going through my head. Let's get seven and end this. That's the big mindset. But the little one is let's get a first down. You know, we're backed up inside the 10. The most important thing usually in those drives is a positive play on first down, which we didn't get one on first or second down.

But you need a drive starter anytime you're in the two-minute drill. I think of a lot of the great ones we've had over the years. There's been a drive starting play, something that kind of gets you going. It gets a first down, it gets a six move, gets you on the ball. And for us, it was the throw to Marquez, obviously, on third and ten. Came back and hit, you know, after that, two plays that basically Tay and I had talked about on the sideline. I told him I was going to check two.

The one that involved, you know, kind of looking off Darius and the other, which was just based on how many kind of corners he was running on the backside against, against cover two, which was kind of dead, dead routes for him. And I felt like if I could hold the front side, the front side spot dropper, um, uh, in the Tampa two that I could get back to him on the, on the end,

on the backside with the back scatting out, uh, in the flat. So we were able to, to, to hit that, uh, those two plays. One was out of empty where I kind of came back to him. Uh, and the other was, uh, um, was out of aby-one with him on the backside. He was running a lot of kind of slant-burst corners on the backside, and they were just able to double him a little too easily. So we checked to just an in-route there, which worked out good. I think the one thing that, you know, it's a beautiful game

in that there's so many things that can happen every single play. And a lot of times, especially when you have mirrored routes called, it comes down to sometimes guessing right. And when you guess right, sometimes the play looks amazing. And sometimes you guess wrong or you go with an instinct and it just doesn't kind of work out. And then you look at the film back and you're like, oh, fuck. Robert Tunyon was wide open on the backside. Yeah, they showed that. Wide open for the NFL.

I mean, he was probably two or three years open. I think the safety of his side saw me throw it. But, you know, going back to it, I wish I'd maybe given Tay something different. It was based off of the previous touchdown at the end of the first half where we hit Jamal Williams on the right flat that I decided to give Tay that route because he ran a similar route in the end of the first half where we hit Jamal Williams on the right flat that I decided to give Tay that route because he ran a similar route at the end of the first half. And it was outside leverage on that one, and he stemmed inside, 23, jumped inside, and he went to the corner.

He was wide open. So if I hadn't thrown it to Jamal, if I had worked Devontae's side, it would have been an easy pitch and catch. So that's why I kind of went back to the same play on third down with the clock running, knowing the ball had to go to the end zone. If I had called the same play that I called in the first half and worked to the right, there's a good chance of a touchdown. So it's one of those things that kind of sticks with you.

Hold on, hold on. Best player for the win. If I had looked the other side, maybe I had turned in for the win. Okay, yeah, so I'm literally listening to you digest, I don't know, every play you had on Sunday here. So whenever you're – is it traveling home, you're watching the film, and you're just, like, zooming in on things or going to certain plays, and you're like, ah, we could have done this, we could have done that.

Are you talking with LeFleur as well? When does all this start happening, or is this on the field, you're kind of seeing this all unfold, or has this been since the game, watching it all back, dissecting every single little decision that you made? Yeah, it's, you know, I always think there's so much time to watch the film.

The last thing I want to do is on the plane, watch the film. I need to relax and kind of flush and just chill out a little bit. But there's some guys who like to watch it, and so I just wanted to see that little clip. I think Bakhtiar is watching. I just told him to flip to that play.

I just wanted to see what was going on on the other side. And sure enough, you know, if I had been able to, if I had started right instead of left, you know, maybe I'm able to look the corner to the flat and throw it to Bobby for a touchdown. Also, if I had maybe given Devontae a slightly different route on that one, who knows what would have happened. Those are second guesses on what happens.

I think if you look at it from a positive standpoint, we're on the six-yard line. We drove the length of the field and kicked the field goal to overtime. Tim Boyle finally wins a coin toss after a bunch of losses in a row. And sure enough, we get the ball. You know, disappointed in the you know in the results obviously in overtime but i feel good about our team i feel good about where we're at mentally um those are games we're gonna need to win down the stretch because that felt like a playoff game good football team that's uh been playing well um you know we got another good one coming in

obviously the chicago's been the last four in a row, but they got a hell of a defense, and it's going to be a tough challenge. I'm sorry, AJ. I just want to talk about the MVS situation because immediately after the game, you handled it in a beautiful leadership fashion, right? I think you actually said, like, shit, I've had fumbles. Like, these are things that happen. And then since then, obviously obviously there's been one particular reporter in green bay that asked matt lafleur how do you live with uh mvs

or whatever and then he even doubled down on it again and there's been people threatening obviously uh mvs on social media because that's the world that we live in nowadays how is your conversation with him gone uh since the game and everything like that and I would assume he's harder on himself than anybody else at this time yeah I mean I think that's what any great competitor is I just gave him a hug after the game and and reminding him that we got in that position to even be in overtime because of the great play made down the middle and you know what again every play is important to it could be a play in the first quarter that could ultimately be the deciding factor.

We had a third and one. I threw him a 60-yard moon ball at the end of the first half. He's beating this guy. The guy holds him, gets a P.I., and sets up a touchdown to go ahead 28-14.5. So we're not even in that position without what he's done. And I was looking at Tom Fanning, who's a PR guy with the Packers. You guys might know Tom a little bit. He's an awesome guy.

I've worked with him for a number of years now, and he'll give me some stats from time to time that are interesting. And today he handed me a stat, kind of a stat page about Marquez and the fact that he's leading the league in average per reception based on guys with at least 25 receptions since 2018 when he got in the league I think he's got the third most amount of 40-yard receptions he has the third highest yards per catch since he got in league in 2018 and comparatively to some of the great players we've had in Green Bay at receiver, as far as 40 yard receptions in the first three years as a

pro, uh, he has the most, um, or he has a second most of them. Greg Jennings had some crazy like 17 or something. Marquez had like 15, uh, Jordy Nelson to Randall Cobb to Donald driver one. So I think we need some perspective in this time about production, where everybody wants to make these knee-jerk reactions to things, and you forget about the facts, as the kids say these days, the big facts. Big trust, Doc. And also that there's a human element to this. Like anybody, you know, who is so distraught about this that they need to go to Twitter and talk about killing someone, I would suggest that you relax. What a quote.

That's Aaron Rodgers' riff. Maybe get on that CBD a little bit that my man's on. Just chill out a little bit. It's a game. We're all trying our best. We're trying to entertain you, but we're trying to also do our best because we have a lot of pride in our performance. Nobody's trying to do anything to fuck up our season or your precious watching experience

experience. So, Hey, obviously, first off, that was an unbelievable play by the, by the rookie Blackman. I texted Pat during the game.

Like that was unbelievable play, but I wanted to transition. You mentioned your big left tackle, Justin Takatari, any, any, any word if to transition. You mentioned your big left tackle, Justin Takatari. Any word if he has gotten you a gift yet, and what are you planning on getting your own lineman? I saw you did an ad. You put an ad out there.

It looks like you're making progress. Yeah. Thank you, Aids. I really appreciate that. I don't know what kind of setup that was, but I don't think there's a lot of positivity in that. But as far as Talk Atari, I just did a little, you know, as part of the FedEx partnership, they asked me like a question they're going to use for internal purposes, I think, about what my Christmas wish is. And because there's nothing sacred anymore, I'll just share it on the show.

Oh, nice. Hey. All right. Shout out. My Christmas wish was for David to get me a gift. Now that he's the highest paid lineman of all time. Yeah, that's a lot of money. I just thought, this could be the year, guys. This could be it.

Let's all just focus our mind and manifest me getting a gift from Dave for the first time ever. I don't need to go through. I actually already have the gifts that I've given him over the years. We know. But what I said in this, it just wasn't the Christmas wish.

It was a two-part wish. Oh, okay. And the second part was that when I was a kid and I watched a James Bond movie, Bond before Daniel Craig was fantastic, was Pierce Brosnan. And Pierce Brosnan, among other things, drove an Aston Martin in one of the Bond movies. I believe it was Die Another Day.

If I'm wrong, you can correct me real quick. Yeah, nobody knows. But I've always wanted one. And so I thought, this could be the year. My left tackle just got filthy rich. Oh, so rich. And I've always wanted an Aston Martin. Oh, this could be

a Vito Fascio Christmas wish. Hey, if Santa Claus doesn't show up at that house, you know, that you just, I mean, the Green Bay one, obviously, because that's where you're going to be. But I assumed Aston Martin came with the house that you bought in California. I think we all just kind of assumed that that came with it. Now, granted, we won't talk about it.

Okay, we don't want to talk about that place. No, no. Because, honestly, this isn't DMG, dude, okay? Don't need to talk about it. But I assumed one came with the house. If Talk to Ari wants to make that happen, which I don't even know if I'm allowed to call him that by the way you might hate me for saying that but uh i hope that's a great gift i think that's a great gift you deserve

it by the way if anybody deserves an ass morning it's you bub tiki tari i believe he looks at the any press is good press you know he's just any attention is good people are talking about fantastic i mean look this is the guy who threatened to not call me a best friend because I didn't put him in an ad, in a commercial. And I posted it. When you're talking about the commercials that he's done and you line him up next to some other guys who've been in commercials with me, it's just not close.

I mean, if you're in a Cellcom commercial with Matt LaFleur, you've got to be better than Matt. No holding? Okay, gotcha. Right back down in there. Yeah. I didn't think it was bad. I think you judge him a little.

Now, granted, Matt LaFleur stole this. The standard is high. I mean, look at what Clay Matthews did for years in my commercials. True. BJ Kaji. True. Randall Cobb. True, yeah.

That dog that you guys killed, right? The dog. I mean, you're telling me if we got Scrappy the dog or T-Gatari? Randall Cobb. True. Yeah. That dog that you guys killed. The dog. You're telling me if we got Scrappy the dog or T-Gatari, who are you taking? Let's talk about the Matliff floor. Okay. He got punched in the face, I think, by Bob Tunyon twice after a big play this past week. I mean, he likes to get in there and mix it up.

What is it? Like, this year, I think we're seeing a lot more personality out of LaFleur. Saw that commercial this year. I think your offense, obviously, is so unbelievable, so he's getting talked about a little bit more. He's 20-5 or something like that in his first two years as a head coach right now. Obviously, but he'll mix it up with you guys in there, and that's wild to me. I mean, he talked about how – Ty talked about how something good happens on the offense.

LaFleur's in there getting punched in the face to celebrate. I mean, literally, Bob Tunyon, he went after him once, and then I think LaFleur was going for like a high five after the first one, and Tunyon came back again at him and gave him another shove. And then something happens on defense, and Petten is the complete opposite human being of him, it feels like. Now, granted, we only see his eyeballs, but it looks like there's no movement at all. LeFleur, is he always like that? Is that just the type of guy he is?

Because I don't think we know much about him or his style. Well, if you want to talk about style, let's talk about style. I mean, this is a guy who's changed the coaching pants from whatever the khakis they were to Lululemon. Yeah. I mean, so the coaches are living pretty good. Keep talking about style you're talking about a man with a well-groomed beard great yeah right yeah solid you're talking about

a man with eyebrows that are well-grown great i don't think he spends a fortune on that come on this this guy he knows what he's doing you know he doing. He knows the appeal that he has. Look, Matt's a young guy. He really is. He just turned 41. He's young for NFL coaching standards, and he's energetic, which bit him in the ass, or shall we say the Achilles last year during his first year when he tore that thing. But Matt's got a lot of energy. He loves it. He cares

about it. And when he combined that with Nate Hackett reminding us every second of the day to celebrate together and to enjoy each other's company, there's going to be a lot of celebrations. And everybody's going to want to be involved. The thing I respect about Matt is he can relate to the young guys and he can

see me and kick an old school and just go for the old school high five. Yeah. Because he knows. Just keep it simple. What was his message after the game? Heartbreaking loss, obviously. What was his message? Just, hey, this is going to happen in the NFL.

Let's move it. We got a big divisional game coming. Is it just as standard as everybody? Yeah. I mean, I don't think anything's ever standard when it comes to post-game messages. You know, it is what it is. You know, we turn the ball over four times, you know, three on offense. You're just not going to win many games like that when you lose the turnover battle by two. And credit to our defense, we turn the ball over four times,

you give up six points. You know's that just never happens it's uh phenomenal how they uh they came through in some big uh big moments for us but that's a game that we had many many chances to win i think the third quarter really hurt us you know i think it doesn't get enough uh maybe examination uh obviously the end of both halves is always important on uh you know doubling up sometimes or you know scoring on the two-minute show gets a lot of attention. But I always feel like the first half of the third quarter is often – will show you kind of how the game's going and who's going to win the game. And if you look at what happened the first half of the third quarter,

we went three and out a couple times and they scored uh 10 points 11 points and they got to two um and they got right back in the game so at that point uh you know it was uh gonna be tough for us and they went down kick the field goal we held the field goal and we fumbled another field goal by the time we touched the ball again we had six plays since halftime and we're down by three points so um that was, to me, the deciding part of the game. Obviously, we came back, had a chance to win. I understand I get all that. But just like I was saying with my answer about Marquez,

that was the point of the game where, you know, we couldn't get a first down on offense and didn't stop them on defense where the game went from a two-score game where it had comfortably to they have all the momentum. Why do you think it's the first part of the third quarter that kind of presents itself as to who's going to win that game? Well, I think a lot of times games are like they were for us. You know, one team has the momentum going in and can they carry that and kind of once

you get to a three score game, you're really playing downhill against a team because it kind of can take you out of the run game and make you really one-dimensional. We couldn't do that. We had the opportunity one drive. It was 28-17, and we had the opportunity to go up three scores with a touchdown. Obviously went three and out. But I just feel like it's a time where it's much like the beginning of the game where you can really lay down

momentum and confidence coming out of the half. It's a time of adjustments as well. That's when the chess game begins in the second half when teams have adjusted at halftime and you kind of see if you can adjust accordingly based on maybe things that were slightly unscouted or that you haven't seen for the first half. So I just, I mean, you look over many, many of the games, it's often that quarter, which has a direct impact on the final score. And there's been a lot of times over the years where we've doubled up. You know, we've scored at the end, we've deferred, we've scored in the first half

and scored in the first half and the second half, and it's gone from a one-score game to a two-score game or a tight game to scoring at the end of the first half and then being in the second half. And now you have two scores, and the whole game has changed. And I've always felt like it's a huge opportunity for momentum and confidence to swell, and it did for them, and that's why they were in a position to win in the fourth quarter. I'm going to take that as my own. Whenever I commentate games, we're entering into the part of the game that is going to decide who wins.

Obviously. I mean, that is what we're doing right now here in the third quarter. I mean, I heard a great quarterback say one time from an office in green Bay and I couldn't agree with him more. What was what's about to happen in the next four or five minutes. We're going to find out who's going to win this game right here, right now. True. Aaron, first and foremost, great game on Sunday.

Great game. We've been talking a lot about coaches who could potentially beat each other's asses because of what happened between Vrabel and Harbaugh. So my question is, if a huge melee broke out in the uh green bay like coach's meeting room who would be the last guy standing and do you think he could take on braves braves it's gonna be tough i didn't what happened with i didn't see what happened so titans before the game all the players go out onto the raven shield right before the game and i don't know if that was a plan by the players to get the ravens players out there for a potential little meeting of the minds but instead of the ravens players coming out

harbaugh came out to talk to the titans players and i assume he was saying something like you don't do that that's not how you do it and then variable came in and was basically like you need teacher players basically to come fight us then if that's going to be and then after the game allegedly there was no there was just a, there was a little moment where they were potentially going to fight and the internet lost its mind, obviously. Yeah. I mean, I've known Braves for a while. I think he'd have the advantage on many of the coaches. I think so. I think so. Yeah. We agree. Look, we had, you know, we had a guy age, you can back me up for a long time. You know, whether true or not, I bet he felt like he could take just about every coach in the league. And I don't know if I'd put it past him.

Mike was a big boxer back in the day. And he had that Pittsburgh jaw. So I would definitely give him the edge. I'd say from 2006 for sure, the mid-2010 decade. Watermelon smashing guy? Yeah. Mike McCarthy, yeah. Get out there in a Rust Belt kind of guy.

I always felt like the Ryans, Rex and Rob, would be formidable in a fight. Scrappy. Yeah, just scrappy dudes. Long hair. You know, look like the wrestlers back in the day. I think on our squad over the years, I'm going to go over the years first, Ty, because it's such a great question. You'd have to go with Kevin Green. As long as he has elbow pads on and is singlet, I feel like, you know, his experience in the WCW would definitely put him over the top.

So he'd be in a good place. Winston Moss and James Campin almost came to blows one time. You know, back in the day when we had night practices, it always got a little wild. And the fans really enjoyed those moments. But we had some coaches at times kind of go toe-to-toe nothing ever happened i did hear of a story uh an old old story uh before i got to green bay with tom rossley who was the former offense coordinator and larry bechtel and those who know who larry bechtel is know what a legend he was in the coaching ranks. A little dude who, a shorter guy who loved to have a dip in,

chew a Nicorette gum, and have the Nicorette patch on his arm at the same time. Smart. Yeah, he needed all of it. Absolute legend. But I heard they tried to have some sort of fight at one point watching film, which I'd love for somebody to come forward and tell that story at some point because I heard that was great. But I've never seen any coaches fight each other. It would be fun. I think everybody would stay back and kind of let them go at it for a while. On our squad,

I think that Mike Smith, former linebacker at Texas Tech, coaches the outside linebackers, would be a formidable opponent for sure. As far as the older over 50 division, which I think there's only one or two guys on there, Ben Sermons, our running back coach, seems like somebody who'd be tough to handle for sure. And anytime your last name is

Butkus, I would guess you'd probably handle yourself in a fight pretty good. So our assistant offensive line coach, Luke Buckus, I think would be somebody you want to try for sure. A big tank top guy, too. He loves wearing tank tops. I like that guy.

Great name, great outfits. Was there a Runyon on your offensive line? Is that the relative of Runyon? Because they kept saying John Runyon. What's that? Yeah, John Runyon Jr. Yeah, they never said his dad, though. relative of running because they kept saying john runyon what's that yeah john runyon jr yeah yeah they never said his dad though like every time they said i'm like yo mention the guy's dead because this is unless this i mean runyon's a an interesting name to be duplicated at the same

damn position i assume that's it and it was never got said um yeah i'm happy to hear that a lot of generational and i think i think a lot of us when he got drafted were hoping for a good dose of nepotism when it comes to uh senior handling the fines because if you've ever been fine which i've been fine one time i actually didn't talk to running uh to john at that point but i think we're all really hoping for a good dose of leniency and uh good old nepotism uh you know in case one of us got fine during the season I'm not sure how that's been working out yet, but it could affect or could not affect any future Christmas gift possibly. Hey, smart, smart. Mr. Runyon needs to figure it out for his kids. He's already got his gift.

So that's out the window. Hey, last question from me here. I don't know what AJ has and we appreciate you for your time, man. You're always so kind with your time here on Tuesdays. When you, when you, have you seen, this isn't my last question, I got one before this, have you watched Queen's Gambit? Not yet, not yet. Need to watch it. Come on. Need to watch it, obviously.

Need to watch it. Have to watch it. Have you watched Ted Lasso yet? No. Oh, come on. What are you, in the middle of a football season? This is unbelievable, dude. Let's do it this week. Find some time. Anyways, when you look at the Chicago Bears team,

you said they have a great defense. I was talking to Zito and Ty about this before the show. You mentioned all these things, but they're on a four-game slide or whatever. They're the type of team though with how good that defense is. If on offense they can figure anything out and it's a

divisional game like this is a massive game especially after what happened with the colts what is your headspace like going into this game division you win your division you get in the dance doesn't matter here we go let's keep it moving what is your mindset though going into the bears game you just know it's going to be a physical game and it doesn't really matter what the records are when we in 2007 we went to the championship game far as last year and we were 13 and 3 and age remembers we lost twice to chicago i think they won four or five games that year so the record doesn't really matter also sidebar that 2007 game at chicago was the coolest i've ever been um the season opening game in Chicago,

was that two years ago, was the coolest game I've ever seen. You came out of the cave, you remember, like Jesus, and saved the Packers. Remember that? The first half,

you were like dead, something happened. Knee injury. Knee injury, he's done. You guys are down like 75 points, and then you come walking out at half, and you're like,

oh yeah, start spinning that thing a little bit, and then bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, come back, we win. Yeah, that was a good time. There's been some great ones over the years, some great matchups. I think about obviously the NFC Championship in January of 11 was amazing. I think about 13 when I came back from my collarbone and Randall Cobb came back from his fractured tibia. Same game, and I hit him twice in touchdowns,

including a fourth and eight where John Kuhn, the legendary John Kuhn, cut down Julius Peppers. That was some fun memories. But you know it's going to be a physical game when you play Chicago. Fantastic defense, very well coached. And they've got a lot of veteran players over there. So, look, you know, it's going to come down.

The division is, you know, everybody lost this week. Chicago was on a bye week. They've obviously had some offensive struggles. But, you know, they had an extra week to work on things. And, you know, we're expecting one of those good old-fashioned NFC North games. Yeah! Yeah, NFC North, dude. A real slobber knocker, as you always used to say, Aaron, during Bear Week.

I know you always used to tell me that, and I have to get all juiced. But my final thing for me before we send you out of here, Ty Schmidt, you know, close personal friend of yourself, you invited him to your house out in California that is allegedly on the beach. If you're out there and you need a slot receiver, I know Ty is ready, but do I need to loan him my shoulder pads and helmet? Are you one of those guys? Do you wear shoulder pads and helmet when you're throwing the ball in the offseason?

Great question, AJ. I don't even know where to begin. I will say that this is definitely a blood ball emphasis week. And, Age, you and any former Packer player can understand what that means. I think we all can. Blood ball. We all pretty much understand what that means there. It's a lot deeper than that even.

Yeah, it's even deeper than that. But, Age, you also know, and I don't know if you're trying to goat me here, but I don't do a lot of off-season throwing. I do enough to feel good about things, but I've never been a big off-season thrower. I definitely take the first two months off completely of throwing. I don't believe it takes that long. I've never, to get my arm into shape, I've never had a quarterback coach, you know, or a quarterback guru. Smart. What are you guys doing? We're looking at you, dude.

We're very surprised by what you said there, man. Just kind of making sure people know that we're looking at you. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. Yeah, that's good, guys. Go back. Let me finish my answer. Okay, okay, good. Yeah, that's good, guys. Go back. Let me finish my answer. Okay, okay, good.

Shit! Sorry, dude. What's going on, man? You guys are trying to make it seem like we're all three in the same area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The smoke from AJ is a little problematic because it just disappears right above your head,

but yeah, that's what we're trying to do. I think I'm going to do this from the bar next week and maybe smoke a stogie oh wow you can't be an nfl quarterback in smoked cigar you can't do it anyways yeah you don't have quarterback guru you didn't have a never had a quarterback coach and you don't really throw that much in the offseason? Nope. And I don't go after pregame warm-ups. Man.

How do you live? The confidence is just unbelievable. So you've always been just a great thrower of the football, yeah? Always? Yeah, I think so. That's the show, man. All you so good luck shane leckler used to not kick a single ball in the offseason right he would just go live his life and then he would have to figure out how to pun again every training camp and everything like that and i was always like man the amount of confidence on you i wouldn't have been able to sleep just thinking that i lost it completely

he was like well let's come back now 17 years straight it makes sense jane what do you got nick aaron you talked a lot about no look passes and everything like that is the pump fake dead no of course not you saw me pump fake last week and run one in hey get him the job nobody nobody went for it i think every week you see somebody pump fake and a lot of times it works on uh blitzing defenders kind of coming off the edge sometimes. But I feel like I was watching film on something. Rich Gannon. I saw a few pump fakes.

Rich Gannon. Rich Gannon, the best pump fake. But no, I mean, what do you mean? I had a pump fake on the first touchdown pass. No, I know you do it. You do it. Ben does it. There's a lot of guys that do it, but I feel like it's the older QBs that do it.

Now a lot of younger guys only do it on the run, it feels like, when they're five yards past the line of scrimmage already. Yeah. I always like the downfield pump fakes, too. Those are fun. I'm not sure. I'm going to keep trying to bring it back, though. I'll be thinking about you every time I pump fake.

Oh, that's very nice of you, man. Oh, oh, oh, oh, pump, pump, pump it in. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. Happy Thanksgiving, man. Happy Thanksgiving, man. We're thankful for you, man. Thankful for you, dude. Have a good one.

Hey, was Rich Eisen's show a good time? In Rome's good time? Yes, they were. I mean, I like him a lot, but I wish he would have said terrible time. Was Rich Eisen's show a good time? In Rome's good time? Yes, they were. Fuck. I mean, I like them a lot, but I wish you would have said terrible time. I can't. I like those guys. Yeah, so do we.

We're actually big fans of theirs. It's kind of tough, you know what I mean? You and Kenny Mayne had a good piece this last weekend. It was awesome. I love Kenny. Do they say, hey, we're doing something with the East Band, it's Kenny? No, I can tell, Kenny? No, I can tell this quick. No, I can't

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Those two. What a time. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, two-time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl champion, 11-year NFL vet with the Saints and the Panthers, ladies and gentlemen, Roman Harper. Hey, hey, still doing neck, Roman Harper. Hey, hey. Still doing neck, I see. Still doing neck, I see.

We still got a thing going? Got it. Hey, Pat, can I just give you some love? I mean, the budget must be going out of control right now. The little holographic thing where my thing was going before, that was big time, boss. Jason McAfee, that's my brother. My brother learned how to make graphics like that.

It was unbelievable. Hey, it's not the budget, by the way. It's the sweat equity that's been put in. Sweat equity. That's even better. That's even better. That counts for more anyways. How are you, Roman?

How's life? What are you up to? What do you got going on? Well, life is good, man. I can't really complain. Health is wealth right now. You know, working with SEC Network has been a blessing. It's been fun.

Now I get paid to talk about football that I normally watch. So it's really cool to really try to dive in and actually watch a lot more of the tapes and seeing what college coaches are doing nowadays. It's a lot of madness, a lot of craziness. A lot of the stuff that I see doesn't make sense. But the more you watch it, the more you start to see a lot of these same things starts to trend a year or so later in the NFL because the same players that are they just want to bring what's comfortable for whatever they're doing in the college game up to the NFL and that's why you're seeing a little bit more and more of this spread and more RPO type

offenses because these quarterbacks are being successful all from high school to college and now they want to make them successful when they draft them as well. Roman, I got out, luckily, before the RPO became so, I guess, everyone wanted to use it at some point. What would it have been like? What makes it so difficult for defenders, whether you're an overhand guy? If you're the guy they're reading, what makes it so tough on those defenders? Well, AJ, I'll tell you exactly what makes it hard.

Put yourself in a position where you know it's all gap fits right well i have a b gap or a gap and when the ball comes down you stick in the runner back's belly i'm normally i'm going to attack my gap i want to take space i want to take the air out of the space i want to get a negative gain yardage and you can't do that because the moment you come up they throw the ball right behind you and that's usually who they're reading is somebody in a C-gap fit or somebody like that where they got a slant or coming right behind you. So you just kind of got to wait on it, wait on it until the ball declares. And there's no more tackles for loss when it goes like this.

All you want to do is have your D-line and be able to hold their gap, hold their gap, be able to two-gap. Linebackers rock back. So you're always, you know, in a three-four fit. You guys are trying to take on two guys. Linebackers are kind of rocking back off of the cut back in. That's all you can do is try and tackle and stop a run now for one to two, three yards.

And if you do that, you're good and you're happy. There are no negative gains anymore. Roman, it's dead in the NFL, though, isn't it? I mean, but Lamar Jackson's been figured out. Kyler Murray has been figured out. That's what everybody is saying right now, you know, because Lamar has a bad game or Kyler has a bad game. And it does feel as if these younger quarterbacks are having much more success early because of the college transition. But do you think that is a style of offense, the offense that we're currently living in both in college and in the NFL, that it does have a

shelf life because there's NFL defensive coordinators paid millions of dollars to figure it out. Or do you think it's just going to take time to figure out the players to figure it out? I think it's a little bit on the players too. I think Lamar still has to continue to evolve as a quarterback. I don't think he's at his peak. I think Kyle Murray is just really young and has an extremely, you know, big time arm and they just got to figure out in Arizona.

I don't think Arizona is where they want to be. I don't think Baltimore, with some of the injuries and not having Mark Ingram at full strength this year, also missing Marshall, Yonda, that's a big drop-off for them offensive-line-wise. So they're not the same either. And they also had some opt-outs defensively. They're not the same. So it's just, you know how it is.

Teams start to figure out, and yes, the offseason of scouting, what Baltimore did last year, definitely helped. But who's he throwing it to on a consistent basis and it's not always just you know rpo style i have to be able to throw the ball and just be able to drop back as well uh that has to also be a part of it just the rpo game can't be the main passing concept of your offense if you do you're not going to be doing anything anyways. You still got to be able to drop back, read one, two, and three, and figure it out. Hey, what's Sean Payton like? I heard Reggie Bush during their pregame show was showing, like,

Sean Payton dancing and saying, like, I didn't get that Sean Payton. He wasn't like that. But I know when you guys used to go to camp in Mississippi, I just heard stories about that thing was like the Junction Boys back in the day. I know he definitely pushes you guys. Like, how was it during your time there? It was terrible when we were there. Sean was such a butthole.

He was hard on everybody. There was none of that dancing. There was no music. You only had music in your headphones. And now you see him, he's having fun. I think he's tried to stay young and stay connected to the locker room. He never wants to, as the players get younger and as he gets older, he still wants to have a feel or connection with his players

and always be able to read the vibe in the room. And as long as you have that, you're going to be successful. And he's always trying to. I was there when he first had this whole Club Le Saint experience. That was in minnesota when they lost on the miracle hail mary play right so they had some speakers in there they were little he comes in to talk to me before the game and i'm just kind of in the the equipment room staying out of the way and he's like these are the speakers we got no that's not big enough i want

big i want to be able i want them to hear us outside i want them to tell me like what is going on in that locker room like that is what i want want a freaking club in here so he been in bulk club speakers for himself and now they got smoke now they got lights it's just continued to evolve over the last few years but i'm just proud of him i love sean because i never went into a game ever feeling like i was an underdog he's the most confident uh I'm not gonna say arrogant but he's very confident in his ability and being able to get his team ready to go and he's gonna throughout the week he's gonna tell you exactly the recipe to try and win each and every game whether it's all right a punt is good this week or defensively I need you

to keep it close if we can force one or two turnovers put us there close in fourth quarter and that's where you want to see where we're at so every game you go into it knowing exactly how you want to win i really appreciated that experience of it i i feel like you know granted this is just from outside looking in and it's nice to hear that he was a complete hard ass and then he established your standard and he's like all right we can have some fun now all right we we figured this out let's go and have a good time with it i like that a lot but he feels like a guy and this is good time with it. I like that a lot. But he feels like a guy, and this is what Bruce Arians felt like whenever he was with us, he wants to win just as bad as the players.

He's just as competitive as the players. I don't know if he talks shit in practice or not. Bruce Arians used to have a full discourse with the secondary if we were tearing them up in practice. And then him retweeting Roddy White saying, like, oh, they're putting trash Taysom Hill in there. We're going to do it. Like those little savage moves,

I assume that Sean Payton, he carries it everywhere. He's just one of the most uber competitive people of all time. So you can call it uber competitive, but I call it petty. Sean is the ultimate petty guy. So Twitter Sean Payton is who real Sean Payton is. Like the Twitter fingers, that's like real Sean. So he's usually when he says that, he means everything, and he's paying attention to it.

And it's just really funny because he and Vilma would always have side bets or we'd be going at each other. And when we were in our heyday, it was a lot of trash talking going on. It was Jeremy Shockey versus Greg Williams, always just crazy stuff being said in that conversation. It was always John Vilma versus Sean Payton on our Fridays where we do one-on-ones, competition Fridays. So we'd get five plays within the red zone period,

and offense versus defense, one-on-one. So whoever won that week usually had some money on the bet or the money on the line just to see who would do what. So it was always one-on-one. Skittles. skittles and m&ms obviously skittles so i said the bet yeah reese cups and things like that i i once played a cornhole game for 25 000 reese cups yeah it was pretty it was a pretty intense day you know pretty intense day on those bags man a lot of peanut butter i mean to have the fact i have to go get those mini Reese's peanuts. Yeah, yeah.

That's crazy. That's where the pressure's at. Amen. I mean, Roman, you kind of lived through some rule changes, I think, that put especially guys in the secondary at a huge disadvantage when you're running and hitting. Like, what was it like from when you got to the league to when you finished with how you were able to tackle people?

It seems like you weren't able to the strike zone got so small and your job you may be running from 40 yards trying to separate a guy from the ball right i love what you said there right there at the end too is that my job is to either make a play on the ball or separate man from ball and that is what is kind of being taken away from these defenders right now and and i think it was year around year two and three was when they started to make the target zones and the strike zones where you can hit these guys and trying to take the helmet and contacts above the head to the head out of the game. And now I just don't like it because where are you supposed to hit the guy?

And the guy that I'm hitting is usually bigger than me. So I'm already at a disadvantage when it comes to trying to bring this guy down. But now you're saying I can only hit him in the middle part of his body where all the center of his gravity and the power is at is right there in the core. So if you want to hit a guy, you want to either hit him low,

but then I'm dirty because I'm trying to take his knees out. And I don't want to injure the guy. I want him to continue to have a chance to provide for his family, have a healthy career. But then I can't hit him high because you're saying i i'm hurting him so where do you hit these guys and i think they're really doing a disservice in the college game because you're

kicking these players out why are the amateur players being punished more than the professional players and you don't even have players behind them that are qualified or good to back up so it just really just ruins the whole college football game and now you have guys that don't tackle and now they get to the nfl not learning how to play the ball in the air or how to tackle in space and it's just continue to water down the whole product as a whole for defense and football who's the wildly white guy that got uh kicked out of the national championship for lsu in the first half he has has an incredible name, if I do recall. But it was like a national champion.

Hey, this is a national champion. This kid has worked his entire life to get to this moment. And there was like a bang-bang play. It was like, oh, he's been disqualified. It's like, God damn. If it was malicious, I wish they would take intent into it. You know what I mean? I wish they would, too.

I saw Arkansas's safety this past uh jaylen catalan he tried to completely turn sideways and hit a guy but it still hit him and the guy fell down he tried to lay there for a second then they threw a flag and then he just got up went right to the sideline was in the next play and the cat of the safety's disqualified it was probably their best defensive player uh on the field at the time So it's just, I don't know what they're supposed to do. I wish they would change this rule. It's kind of just, I don't know what to say, though. The NCAA always does

things right. I'm sure they'll do. What's the guy's name? James Skalski. Yeah, yeah. One of the whitest names I've ever heard. That is literally, I knew it because he walked past me because I was doing the simulcast thing, and he kicked his ass. Like, now they're allowed to stay on the field. But last year,

the guy had to get kicked off of the field entirely. It was a national championship. There's, I mean, thousands and thousands of people on the sideline. This kid can't even stand on the sideline. He's like, nope, get his ass in the locker room. He accidentally hit a guy with his helmet. And as he walked by me, I saw him.

I was like, oh, that's, I think that's the whitest name I've ever seen in my life. And it turns out it was James Skowski. Hey, he brought the wood, though. Hey, Roman, what do you see out of this New Orleans Saints defense that makes you think, you know what, this is a team that can make a run? Obviously, Sean Payton's offense with Taysom Hill, Drew Brees, Jameis Winston, he's going to win. The offense is going to get yards because they have playmakers.

I mean, anytime you've got Kamara on a squad, he didn't do that much this past week. Latavius Murray stepped up in a big way. Michael Thomas seems to be back. Anytime you have players on the offense with Sean Payton's brain, you're going to do well. But I think that defense is the game changer for them. I feel like that defense is unbelievable.

And as an alumni, especially Super Bowl winning alumni, because of how good the defense was and a couple massive plays in the Super Bowl with that defense, you have to think to yourself, that D could potentially go on a run it feels like. Yes, it does, Pat. I love that their defense is built different than ours. We gave up a lot of yards and all that other stuff. All we worried about was turnovers. So if they continue to force turnovers i think it gives this

offense it sets them up and sean is all about uh complimenting football and the best biggest complimenting football for the saints is turnovers on defense getting the offense the ball as many possessions as they want to they want it at a upper faster pace in and of the huddle. So as many possessions as the offense can get, they're always going to feel that they can outscore anybody. And they're going to try and capitalize on getting touchdowns, not field goals. The Saints' defense right now is great in the fact that they do not allow 100-yard rushers. They have this, like, ridiculously long streak of not allowing a 100-yard rusher. So you don't run the ball.

You make guys pick the ball up and have to throw it. And the thing that's really where you're seeing the improvement at, Pat, is that they're not giving up the big, long, explosive pass plays like they were giving early in the season. They were giving up big, deep throws down the field, and they were blowing coverages. And now the communication aspect's been better, and now they're making people take it the long, hard road.

And they're not going to be successful doing that because they don't allow you to run the ball. And the more times you try and throw it, and the more times you try and keep up with this Saints offense, that's when guys are making plays. They had a better understanding of what they're trying to get done, play in, play out, play in and play out. And that is where you're seeing the growth of this Saints defense.

Not only that, but they're finally getting some pressure on the quarterback. Trey Hendricks, I mean, nine and a half sacks, nobody would have said this guy would be tied for the lead in sacks coming into the season. I didn't know he existed. He's an animal, though. What about Taysom Hill? What are your thoughts on him moving forward? Are we going to see a quarterback controversy?

Oh. I mean, if you're talking about Jamison Taysom, yeah, that's about it. It's not going to be between Taysom and Drew. Look, when Drew's gone, it's out there. That is why Taysom has this opportunity right now. I'm not all in. I did pour me a cup of the Taysom, all right?

Pour me a little cup of Taysom, but I'm not drinking it yet. I still want to see a little bit more. Come on, dude. Come on, dude. Atlanta is terrible. No, no, no, no. They were 3-1 with Raheem as head coach. They were hot going in there.

I'm still on the bandwagon. I love Taysom for what Taysom is. And I don't know if Taysom would even have this opportunity if he wasn't with Sean Payton. And Sean Payton finding different ways to figure it out and make him available to this player that he's become the last two and a half, three years. And now he's having the opportunity to play quarterback, and I hope he continues to play well at a high level.

I thought he did really good stepping up in the pocket, making some throws on some of those overouts. He showed off his arm strength. He was actually able to throw the ball downfield, which is something that an aspect that the Saints have been wondering and questioning all year long, and Taysom did that. Even though one of the throws was pretty underthrown, but I'd rather you underthrow it and make the catch than overthrow it and not have a catch.

Roman, he underthrew it because he knew the guy was covered and wasn't going to be able to come back. It was a smart throw by Taysom Hill. That's what I thought too. That's what I was saying. I'd rather that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And you did make a reference to, like, don't drink the Kool-Aid,

which basically killed an entire cult of people. You know what I mean? So you're saying that Taysom Hill is basically this fraudulent cult, basically, which I don't know if I love or hate, but I think that second half was something that was very good. What do you got, Connor? Roman, obviously you're a Saints legend, but you also played for the Panthers and you played with Cam Newton.

What was he like as a teammate on the field and in the locker room? And also, did you ever try and give him any fashion advice? That last outfit. Whew. I thought he was like the hiking dude from Price is Right. Yeah, yodel-ee, yodel-ee, yodel-ee, yodel-ee. I mean, it was a great comparison. We agree.

And I had a completely opposite opinion. I thought Cam was a selfish person. I thought he was a me guy because I always saw him flex and it didn't seem like that. And then I became his teammate and I couldn't have been more wrong. He's such a team guy. He's a great person in the locker room. He has an infectious personality to where he's always having fun and people just naturally want to be around this guy. And that is probably one of the best things I would say about him was that he i had a completely

different uh experience once he became my teammate and i saw how much he valued winning and how much he put into what all it took to go and to prepare his body and his mentality mental to go in every weekend and trying to play his best and his highest ability so i i earned so much more respect for him once i became his teammate because outside the building I had this perception of who he was or who I thought he was, and he was not that at all. It feels like that's the same thing that's happening up in New England right now with the way they talk about him. Everybody loves him.

He's been a great leader. He's been a dream teammate and everything like that. Let's talk about another quarterback here before we have to get to a break here, Roman. Thank you for your time today, by the way, man. It's been very nice of you. I love the chain, baby. Anytime you have me on, I'm always there. Hey, thank you. What we need to work on, though, is when you start to answer

something, I think you take your neck and your hands and just cover the speaker and then you move it. You know what I mean? I think we'll figure that out. We'll figure that out as we go. You played against Aaron Rodgers more than a few times. We looked up some pictures of you and him interacting. We're interviewing him in like 15 minutes or so.

What are your thoughts on him as a quarterback? What made him great? What did you think as soon as you saw him the first time you saw him play? And what do you think his legacy will be ultimately? Well, hopefully he can win a Super Bowl. But he'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer just because he has won a Super Bowl. And he throws the prettiest ball and is able to do the things that no other quarterback can do when it comes to throwing the football. His accuracy, his timing, his ability, ability to be able to create.

And he was one of the first quarterbacks who that you were so worried of his hard count that you could never stop. If nobody jumps off sides, everybody just go tackle the quarterback or hit somebody because he is about to go deep so everybody just take off running backwards so that was one of the first things that you always knew and i have a great story because i was in carolina and luke keekly jumped off sides and then i was we just went to run him to scramble it and nobody was open and he just threw the ball and he threw it kind of right to I caught it, intercepted it, and of course I wasn't going to keep running. So I ran like 15 yards. I ran out of bounds. And then they go by the ref, and he's over there by me.

He said, hey, you like that ball I just threw you? That was pretty good, huh? I said, appreciate it, dog. You know what I mean? Just, you know, looking out for me like that. We had some conversations throughout the year. So he was looking out for me because he knew it wasn't going to count. Making me look good. I appreciated it, you know. So it was looking out for me because he knew it wasn't going to count. Making me look good.

I appreciated it, you know. It was all fun and games, man. I always appreciate him. Even when he seen me blitzing, I've sacked him. And he literally turned around to the runbacks like, dude, I literally told you he was coming right at me. It's kind of funny. Whenever you can hear these unique conversations

within the white lines of a game going on and still be able to have fun and respect your opponents the way you do just because he's at the top of his game and has been there for so long. It's just really cool when you actually get to know those dudes on and off the field. I thought about that a few times in one of those free plays that they call it or whatever. Not a bad idea if you're deep and you don't have anybody open. Throw a pick because that person is going to run 115 yards. Now, you've got to hope that your offensive line doesn't try to tackle

and everybody kind of knows. Like, let them go. You've got a corner that just ran a 100-yard sprint, basically. Come back. Now let's put them on deep. I'd be looking right at them like, was that fun? Did you enjoy that? That's almost like I did that on purpose for you.

I've seen it a couple times where a pick will happen and there's a flag on the play, and you see the corner running like he's going to go. And I wish somebody would be a teammate and be like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, this does not count. This does not count at all because corners, secondary, you don't get a reprieve. You're in there.

And I think that's what I've learned most is wide receivers come and go. Okay, we can run the ball. We can hand it off. You guys can sub in, some out after a go route. Okay, let's tap out. We're tired. The corners that just ran down there, oh, go ahead. You got to line up once again, and you can get caught.

That is such a conditioning position. It's insane. I would be trying to find energy every single second there was available. Well, you kind of get used to it in training camp. You get those little, you know, 40-second off, and then you just try and get as much breath as you can. Look, I saw the penalty. I was not running.

I'm like, dude, he wasn't going to play me. I knew it was better. I knew better. If some of my teammates are out celebrating, I'm like, dude, it's a flag. This is fake. It was totally fake. This is fake. Ladies and gentlemen, from the SEC Network, Super Bowl champion,

Pro Bowler, ladies and gentlemen, Roman Harper. Thank you, Roman. That was awesome, Roman. Thank you, man. Joining us now is a college national champion and a Super Bowl champion, but we only need to talk to him for one reason and one reason alone. This man's 4-0 on his last four bets, two of them being underdogs to win outright.

Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Yeah! A.J. Hawk. Yeah! A.J., let's get right to it, pal, okay? We're ice cold. You're hot. We're not going to go ahead and get our egos in the way here. We're just going to follow along with the Hawk brain for as long as we possibly can. How did you know that the Rams are going to be able to fly into Tampa

and get the win without the points last night? What was your thoughts going in, and what did you know that the Rams are going to be able to fly into Tampa and get the win without the points last night what was your thoughts going in and what did you see from the game well I think my first thing is I didn't really care about the fact that they were flying in from LA I mean they play in California they got to fly a long long distance wherever they're going so I don't really put anything into that I know there's not really a home field advantage although yeah there was fans there they could get. It still didn't really affect the game. We hope they all survive. I felt good about the Rams, though. I felt good about the Rams D-line, which I thought, hey, they only sacked them once maybe,

but they absolutely felt. Tom felt that all night long. He felt the pressure up the middle. And I feel like Jalen Ramsey is playing unbelievable right now. And I think that whole defense looks good. Not at the middle. He didn't feel any pressure up the middle. Not at the middle.

Maybe off center a little bit. He felt it. He didn't feel comfortable, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah. Maybe off center. But not up center. No, nowhere near AQ, but I'm saying the twist and everything, the stunts that were running around him.

Outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Up to AQ. Bucks still had a chance at the end of the game to go down. Now AQ got hurt. If he's in there, who knows if that's a pick or not.

Bucks had like 100 chances, I feel like. Don't you think? Man, how many times are we going to give Tom Brady a chance to win this game? Yeah, and you know, classic. The interesting thing is, last game of his Patriots career, he's backed up, playoff, a minute something left, he can go take the team down and win it. And it was just like Patrick Mahomes.

It was just like Aaron Rodgers is and has been for a long time. You just automatically assume Tom is going to walk this team right down the field. They're going to score. They're going to win. And everybody's going to go, how did the Patriots get this dub? What are we even doing? Instead, pick six happens on his first pass attempt. It's over.

See you later. It's done. Last night, you see him get the rock with more than two minutes left with a timeout, and you think to yourself, okay, even though this game has not been perfect by any means for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, their defense has not played like they played against the Green Bay Packers since playing against the Green Bay Packers since playing against the

Green Bay Packers. There is still an inevitability that's going to happen here. Tom Brady is going to walk his team right down, and they're going to win by four, which is what it closed at, by the way, was Bucs minus four, which I would have fought hard for to get a push there instead of a lose at four and a half.

And we're going to go about our day. The conversation is going to be the Bucs here we go but instead pick with over two minutes left basically didn't even get in there game over kneel it out it's it's crazy right it is very wild what's going on down there in tampa i'm not 100 sure what's going on i don't know if they're broke i don't know if they're going to have a chance to be great i don't think their defense is anywhere near what the saints defense is i just i think is they got some question marks down and bruce arians is just you know just dumping it on the players too it's just it seems like an interesting organization down there i mean it seems very interesting i saw bruce's comments which uh i'm sure players don't love to hear but they understand

like hey this is going to happen if we don't play well like our head coach is going to call us out not only in our team room is going to call us out, not only in our team room, but also to the media. So it's just another way to hold guys accountable, I guess. But I don't think they're broke. I think they talked about it pregame, I think, like the unrealistic expectations placed on them with Tom coming in after he's been in, what, was he in New England 20 years? Is that right?

Yeah, 22 decades. It's been a long day. We didn't appreciate the greatness that was up there between Tom and Bill. Was he in New England 20 years? Is that right? Yeah, 22 decades. We didn't appreciate the greatness that was up there between Tom and Bill. And the poll for the day, AJ, you're going to love this. At Viva Lozito's poll for the day. Go ahead, Zito. What is it? Yep.

Do you think Tom and Bill secretly miss each other? Question mark. Absolutely not. 9.7%. No. 12.2%. A little bit. 37.8%. And absolutely 40.3%.

I think there has to be a conversation amongst Tom. Whenever Tom's with Tom, he'll by himself with Tom. And Bill, whenever Bill's by himself with Bill. At some point, they're like, had it good for 20 years. Had it good for 20 years. We had two people that we could depend upon to do their job at all times. Now, Tom, obviously, new challenges. I would assume that's how he's viewing

it because whenever he talked to Howard Stern, they were down 28, three and other things that he's accomplished. He said, it's all in how you frame it in your mind, which I think is something that a lot of super successful human beings is they can take a situation and frame it in their mind as opposed to being an obstacle. It's an opportunity. You know what I mean? Like there's, there's ways people do that. And I would assume Tom sees that with the Buccaneers, like, hey, this is a great opportunity, even where we're at and all that stuff. But there has to be a little conversation, especially with every comment that comes out from Bruce that Bill never did.

I mean, granted, now is he going to be, you know, Tommy Foxborough or going to be Tommy fucking Tampa Bay too? Is that what's going to happen? Or I assume Tom's just cool with this. Is that what you going to happen or I assume Tom's just cool with this is that what you think AJ I mean I'm I guarantee you he's going to say all the right things publicly about it but it can't as a competitor doesn't I'm sure it doesn't feel good I'm sure he gets upset it frustrates him maybe it drives him a little bit builds that chip on the shoulder even more but don't you feel like last night though during the whole game I felt like Tom never like settled in he never

looked comfortable never got into a rhythm there was There was times and there's flashes of it, but then even his facial expression. No juice! Yeah, it was weird. And I'm like, he just looked frustrated. Like, man, what do I need to do to get this thing going? And he never could figure it out. I felt no juice out of Tom.

A couple weeks ago, he chewed somebody out. Last week, he goes, ah, AQ. Right? He did that, so there was a little bit of juice. This week, I felt like there was no juice. It was almost more like confusion, frustration almost. It was interesting. It was a very different Tom. It was a very different Tom. We talked about

it yesterday. He's tired. His bedtime's at 8 o'clock. He can't play these. Listen, Mark Wahlberg wakes up 2.30 a.m., all right? The Rock wakes up 4 a.m. Tom Brady goes to bed at 8.30, all right? There's certain things you've got to do to be at the top of whatever top you're fucking at the top of. Yeah, but when you're playing after your bedtime, you're going to be coming out of the game a little negative. No, they practiced at night all week.

And it wore and tore on him until last night. He couldn't do it. There's more statements coming out from Bruce Arians about the team, I guess. Via Rick Stroud, Bruce Arians says, Our secondary for the first time I thought tackled as poorly as we've ever tackled in that ballgame, especially in the first half. We gave up like 70 yards run after catch on five-yard routes twice in a second. That's un-Buck-like for us. Cooper Cup is elusive.

Cooper Cup had 11 receptions for 145 yards, and Woods, who's the captain on the team, and so is Cooper. How many captains they got 12 receptions 130 yards became the first two players in Rams history with 10 receptions in a game and I assume over 100 yards in a game as well that's probably some sort of record Cooper Cup you forgot how good he was I think last year whenever we were discounting the Rams offense whenever he was out. His pictures do him no justice. That is average-ass looking farmer guy from next door who, just like Jordy Nelson, just so happens to be this freak athlete.

He gets that ball. He broke, what, two tackles, two big hits, and then ran away from somebody? I mean, he's awesome, and Wood's obviously very good as well. But I think Cooper Cup, Devontae Adams tweeted, he's the most underrated receiver in the league. And we all know he's first one in, last one out. High motor guy.

You know what I mean? He runs great routes. He's never going to make any mistakes. He's the coach's son. We know that. He looked unbelievable. And I think that was not added into the handicap that the Rams are facing last year without having him on the field.

They paid him for a reason. He's damn good. Yeah, and he's huge on third down. He's huge like when you need him. I'm thinking of the play when you started talking to me. It reminded me of the play last night. I don't even know. It was later in the game.

It was a big third down. Remember Cooper? They went back to it and showed it. He shook the corner and made him jump inside. Then he catches a little out, gets the first down. Then he shook guys on the sideline again and comes back. The route alone was a thing of beauty. Louis Riddick almost

lost his mind when they replayed it. He should have. It was awesome. So yeah, of course. Why wouldn't? If you're Jared Goff, you're looking for Cooper Cupp. I mean, Robert Woods, they got studs, man. I was a little bit worried with Whitworth being out, but hey, they looked all right. Hey, the ball came out quick, too.

Those five-yard routes that Bruce was talking about, it was like Saints-like. Yeah. You know what I mean? What about Sean? I mean, Sean McVay deserves some credit. I know people kind of last year he was written off like, oh, he's not a guru anymore. No one's getting hired from his staff. And now, like, Sean McVay, I feel I feel like quietly is doing a hell of a job.

Yeah, absolutely. And if you let his quarterback have time and let his offense develop, they're going to do damage. If they run into a team, though, that can get pressure, it's always been the problem. If they find somebody that can get pressure, which, by the way, every team's problem, every single team's problem is if the D-line beats the offensive line.

So I guess that's kind of a scapegoat excuse to talk about why they stink it's like well you get pressure on a quarterback you're gonna lose the game it's like uh which game is that for the ram's game oh you mean every fucking football game that is kind of how every game operates last night though it was a weird game to watch man it was in the the it was mentioned before the show i think by connor we've talked a lot about how if you're a good faux enthusiasm guy, this year's your year. If you're a fake enthusiasm guy, this is a big year for you on a team. I had great fake enthusiasm at all times.

I mean, it was always, hey, we're about to have the greatest meeting of all time. Hey, this practice, hey, boys, you're wearing pads for the 11th time this year. It's week 12 You're all miserable Guess what You boys gonna be thumping out there Yeah You boys gonna be thumping out there

Win the game And by the way You don't We'll restart that motherfucker From the beginning We're gonna have a great day This is gonna be the best practice Of all time

Let's go boys Let's go Yeah Shut the fuck up Oh Oh no It's my fault No it's my fault

Oh okay Yeah so This year I would've thrived, by the way, with the quiet sidelines and those things after a big play. Best catch I've ever seen. Best catch I've ever seen. Cooper Cupp. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

I mean, it would have been, it felt like the Rams sideline, and people were talking about the Lakers bench, right, Dwight Howard, remember how much juice they were bringing into the bubble felt like that rams bench knew what was going to happen that whole game they felt like they were alive and i would assume that that's you know that little bit of juice has to help just a little bit i'd assume whenever you're playing in front of next to nobody or at least none of your fans you know i mean all it did for me listening to you go on right there was just realize how grateful I am that I was never your teammate. What do you mean?

Because that would have been great. Like, it would have been funny going back and forth with you a few times, but then there would be multiple moments where I'd be like, Pat, this is not the time. Well, it's interesting you say that because Robert Mathis actually, one of his big lines about me is he commented on my Instagram just a couple days ago. And it was what he said a lot. He said, this motherfucker finds a way to be funny in inopportune times.

Something like that, like when it's not supposed to be. Something's terrible. Everything's bad. Very quiet. Boys! You know what I mean? Just one little, somebody's got to crack it. You know what I mean? Just one little, somebody's got to crack it. You know what I mean?

And this is DeQual Jackson and I. You and I probably would have had the same conversation DeQual Jackson and I had, where DeQual goes, is this every day? I'm like, cool. Every day, baby. This is going to be every goddamn day. Because I'm going to let you know, I don't like being here all goddamn day either. So how am I going to survive?

If I'm not like this, I don't know how. It kind of sucks for you guys, but we're all in this ship together. Let's go ahead and do it. Oh, man, it would have been awesome. Now, Tim Mastay, whenever Aaron said he wished we were teammates or whatever, Tim Mastay was with the Colts, right, in training camp. He and I went. Then he went over to Green Bay, and he became your guys' kicker

or punter for a long time. I don't think Aaron was saying that he wished I was in Tim Mastay's place, just that, you know, he wished we were teammates. Tim Mastay was a super cool wished I was in Tim Mastay's place, just that, you know, he wished we were teammates. Tim Mastay was a super cool guy. I loved Tim Mastay. He and I were roommates at a college kicking camp or whatever. He and I are very different human beings. I would assume there's not a lot of punters that handled themselves

day in and day out like I did, AJ, I'd assume. Yeah, and you're both very unique in your own way, too. Like Tim, there's not a whole lot of punters that are like Tim. And Aaron gets along very well with Tim. I think Tim's the man. He is so funny, so regimented, so disciplined, a true professional. But, yeah, Aaron, how many punters do you think Aaron's played with? He's played for so long.

Like he's just saying in the long line of his career, it would have been nice if you were on the team at one point. By the way, I thought it was potentially going to happen this weekend. You know, J.K. Scott has a personal matter on Saturday. Need a punter in Indianapolis. It's like, yo, I'm going to happen this weekend. You know, J.K. Scott has a personal matter on Saturday. Need a punter in Indianapolis. It's like, yo, I'm going to fail for the vitamins for sure, but they're not suspending people anyway, so that'll just put me back in the substance of abuse policy.

If I only got to play for one week, bro, I don't care. I'll retire on Monday or whatever. Now, granted, the Packers would have had to have Chris Ballard release my rights to them to play against the Colts the day before the game. I thought that wouldn't have been possible. But whenever I saw that was happening, I saw a lot of tweets. I started doing the old, I could give it five. How's it feel?

What's the most punts we're going to have? Five with Aaron? Maybe. Max? I could probably swing that. Back in the stadium is going to be closed too. Hey, I could probably. No, where's my helmet?

I could probably. And then every's my home? I could probably. And then every time I watch a game and there's a punter who has his, like, heels on the end zone or whatever and they have that back shot, I just get so nervous. I'm like, ah, fucking, there's no way I should be out there right now. I would go out there and I'd, ah, man, this is so much better from over there. You're just watching this whole thing. I mean, they could have used you on Sunday.

That would have been nice. J.K. had a rough game. He did. He did. And, you know, home field advantage for you. You're comfortable watching this whole thing. I mean, they could have used you on Sunday. That would have been nice. J.K. had a rough game. He did. He did. And, you know, home field advantage for you. You're comfortable out there. You wouldn't have had your heels on the goal line. You wouldn't have had to worry about that.

It was awesome. There's a couple people in the end zones. Because we have suites down on the one end zone, and then there's people on the front row on the other side. Anytime we had a backed-up punt, I heard the exact people. I knew exactly. Come on, Pat! He's this big guy. There's people on the front row on the other side. Anytime we had a backed-up punt, I heard the exact people. I knew exactly, come on, Pat! He's this big guy.

I'm like, yeah, got you, man. All right. I mean, I'm very – I'm going to need a big one here, by the way, because if not, you know, probably paying me too much to do too little. But I appreciate you there, sir. And then other stadiums, whenever you're backed up, oh, it is electric back there. Just the most vile things are being said to these punters and there's just media members just completely along the bottom there just soaking it in or whatever and nobody even says anything about it over there in oakland the things are being said

during warm-ups were awesome i mean i absolutely love they were despicable but i absolutely i like that type of thing i don't know if i could back. It's like a couple years ago when I was thinking about going to kick for the Bears. Fair enough. Then I watched, which, by the way, I didn't because the knee blew up. I would have had to compete for the job. It wasn't like they were just going to hand me the job. Colts, Chris Ballard said they were going to have to trade for me, too, if they want to get.

There's a lot of things that would have had to go into fall into place or whatever. Then I watched the opening game or whatever, and a guy jogged out there to hit, like, a game tie or something. I'm like, I don't need to be in that position i don't need to be the the amount of pressure and weight that you just have on your shoulders there and imagine me dropping into a facility acting like that aj all right boys here we go here we go coaches would be like get that guy out of here cut him cut him immediately players would be pumped though especially like the young guys,

because they've probably grown up with you. Over the last four or five years, they're like, hey, I remember watching this guy when I was in high school. Now he's on my team. Yeah, that's like Vinatieri. Vinatieri is like dad age for a lot of the guys there at the end. And they're all just like, man, I played blah, blah, blah. You were on it. I played blah, blah, blah.

You were on it. You were the best, dude. Can you sign this? Vinatieri's like, yeah, you got it, man. He's like, is that weird for, blah, blah. You were on it. You were the best, dude. Can you sign this? Vinny's like, yeah, you got it, man. He's like, is that weird for you? He's like, it's a lot better than being hated by everybody. Good call. Good call.

What's up, Dick? Speaking of enthusiasm, would you guys have had a lot of enthusiasm if your coach was smashing watermelons in the locker room? Oh, yeah. Did Mike McCarthy ever do this? By the way, T's and P's to everybody in Dallas Cowboys organization and Marcus Paul's family.

You know, it obviously sucks, but maybe this makes them realize like, Hey, we got to come together a little bit more, especially after the win against the Vikings. The big storyline of them beating the Vikings has been Mike McCarthy taking a hammer out.

Okay. Hammer out before the game and going, boys, listen, okay. He's Viking supposed to be good. You and I both know exactly what they are. On the outside, they're hard.

On the inside, they're soft. Give me the fucking watermelon. Bang. That's what we're going to do tomorrow. Is this what Mike McCarthy was like the night before the games? Is this normal? I wish so bad that I was in there. Oh, my God, it would have been magical to be in there.

I wish so much he would have had props like this in Green Bay. The place would have gone wild. Honestly, if all of a sudden he's talking and you think he's about to wrap it up, and then all of a sudden you see an assistant bring out a wheelbarrow full of watermelons and a sledgehammer, and then all of a sudden, did they tarp off the first six rows like they used to do for Gallagher? Yeah, I think they had the splash zone things on or whatever that is. Yeah, I think that's what they—

He has to do it. He has to continue, though. They won. They beat the Vikings. Therefore, he's going to have to one-up himself. I don't know what he's going to start smashing now. What were his night before the game speeches like? He gets very emotional, huh?

That feels like he rides the wave a little bit of the team? Or how do those go? Yeah, and that going back to their strength coach is obviously terrible situation and you knew when they canceled practice and his his uh press conference i'm like man this is not good obviously it's something pretty bad so yeah it's terrible to hear about their strength coach passing but with mccarthy his meetings the night before games were always like centered around a story that usually had some tie into Pittsburgh, some tie into his dad or his mom or his grandparents or somebody in Pittsburgh.

He would talk about different areas that he would be driving and different stories and what was going on and different kids he would describe them. But it was always kind of a family bring you together type thing. So never had the sledgehammer in Watermelons, but I would have been all in for that. Oh, me too, man. Could you imagine that room? They said the room went crazy. I'm like, no shit.

Your head coach is up there banging watermelons with a sledgehammer? Dude, I would lose. Think how much juice Big Mike got, though, after he got the sledgehammer in his hand. And you know the whole room just lit up, and he started feeling it then. And then he's like, okay, okay. And then he's trying to throw me some more of them watermelons. And they're throwing them from the back. It would have been amazing.

Immediately afterwards, by the way, I don't know if they get a snack anymore because of COVID rules or whatever or if they have to just go right to their meeting rooms. And somebody from the team or hotel has to clean up all the watermelons that's exploded everywhere. Mike McCarthy's walking out of there with an assistant. He's like, nailed it. Nailed it.

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