The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 312 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, Week 14 NFL Recap, Michael Lombardi, Mark Madden, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys overreact to everything that happened this weekend in the NFL including Jalen Hurts leading the Eagles to a win over the Saints, if the Packers defense/special teams will be good enough to give them a shot of going to the Super Bowl, whether or not the Steelers are DEAD, and much more. Joining the show is 3x Super Bowl Champion, former GM of the Cleveland Browns, host of the GM Shuffle Pod, co-host of HammerDAHN, and author, Michael Lombardi. Pat and Michael chat about the Saints disappointing performance against the Eagles, who he thinks has the best chance of taking down the Chiefs in the AFC, what's wrong with the Steelers, and if the Packers can make a Super Bowl run (20:32-40:31). Next, Pittsburgh radio legend, former WCW color commentator, and friend of the program, The Super Genius, Mark Madden joins the program to chat about what's wrong with the Steelers, the temperature in Pittsburgh, his thoughts on JuJu dancing on the Bills logo, why he's concerned about Big Ben, and much more (42:43-55:56). Later, Pat and AJ Hawk look back at everything we learned in week 14 of the NFL, if the Seahawks are fixed, the Giants apparently stinking again, the Washington Football Team being someone no team wants to play in the playoffs, and Derrick Henry running all over Jacksonville, plus they look ahead to tonight's Monday Night Football game between the Browns and Ravens and give their picks (55:58-1:37:11). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Good afternoon. It is Overreaction Monday, December 14th, 2020, and you are listening to the Pat McAfee show. Pat had to go deal with some things, so he had to run out, but we still have a great show for you. Pittsburgh radio legend Mark Madden joins the show today to talk about the Steelers and if they're dead. And also former GM of the Cleveland Browns and coaching assistant for the New England Patriots. Co-host of Hammer Don. The GM Shuffle Pod. Writes for the Daily Coach. The Athletic.

Michael Lombardi joins the show. And of course, A.J. Hawk joins as well to overreact to everything that happened in week 14 of the NFL. So let's get into it. Today is a glorious day because although there is one more game in this beautiful week 14, we have learned a lot about the NFL. Yesterday was a magical day. Who's dead? Who's alive? We'll overreact to all of it. Speaking of overreactions, we'll have a Pittsburgh treasure, a national folklore, Mark Madden, joining us in about 20 minutes to talk about his thoughts on the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Pittsburgh Steelers, since having one particular fan join their fan base, have lost 100% of the games that they have played. We'll talk to Evan Fox about that. We'll talk to Mark Madden about his thoughts about Juju Smith-Schuster's TikTok dance before the game potentially igniting a little fire behind the Buffalo Bills. Josh Allen actually said before the game to the boys, they can do all the singing and dancing they want. We'll just go win a fucking game.

And they did, by the way. And the Buffalo Bills did just that. Are the Steelers dead? That's a conversation that has to be had. Tonight's a big AFC North matchup between the Browns and the Ravens. It's a Browns win. Are the Browns the new team that everybody should be looking out for out of the AFC North?

Or will the Browns continue to be the Browns of the last 50 years and lose to the Ravens tonight with a door potentially opening for them? I can't wait to see how that plays out. The Kansas City Chiefs get another win down in Miami, but they couldn't cover. Fuck. Son of a bitch! How could they not cover, by the way? I'll tell you how. Patrick Mahomes threw three interceptions,

two in the first quarter. It was problematic. But just like the Kansas City Chiefs do, and whatever they want to do, they can just turn it on just like that. Travis Kelsey will take off, Tyreek Hill will take off, and their defense will be able to get a couple stops until the very end, whenever they can just turn it on just like that. Travis Kelsey will take off, Tyreek Hill will take off, and their defense will be able to get a couple stops until the very end whenever they can't give up any points. For all those that cover or bet the Chiefs to cover seven points,

they choose not to do so, only win by six. Everybody's pissed off, but the Chiefs are still the same old team that we always thought they were, which is a team that can go on and win whenever the fuck they want. Now the conversation revolves around who's the other AFC team that can compete with them to maybe represent in the Super Bowl. How Now the conversation revolves around who's the other AFC team that can compete with them to maybe represent in the Super Bowl. How about the Indianapolis Colts?

The Indianapolis Colts beat the dog shit out of the Raiders yesterday in Las Vegas. It's good news that T.Y. Hilton is probably going to win the Offensive Player of the Week for the AFC, which we predicted last week after he came on this show because this show does that to people, gets them onto the Players of the Week awards things.

But T.Y. Hilton now is scoring touchdowns. Phillip Rivers seems to be protected. The Colts' defense in the second half shuts it the fuck down whenever they want, and Kenny Moore had one of the nicest interceptions I've ever seen. But with Jonathan Taylor and Naheem Hines in the backfield, with that offensive line, which, by the way, Quentin Nelson played left guard yesterday, left tackle yesterday. And I think somewhere else because Anthony Costanzo kind of had to leave and get something re-taped and readjusted and come back out there.

The Colts might be the best bet in the AFC to go against Kansas City Chiefs. And I'm not, I wouldn't have said that five weeks ago. I don't think, I don't think I would have said that six weeks ago, but I think what this team has become is a team that you can bet on. Now it is obviously difficult to know what the fuck Phil Rivers is going to do because Phil Rivers, I don't think i don't think i would have said that six weeks ago but i think what this team has become is a team that you can bet on now it is obviously difficult to know what the fuck phil rivers is going to do because phil rivers i don't think knows what phil rivers is going to do phil rivers has become very confident very comfortable in this colts offense that defense is great special teams is good i think you've got to look at the indianapolis colts as the team of the afc but don't count out a couple teams that are inching in the back door. The New England Patriots.

Potentially getting in the back door. Things are getting crazy all over the NFL, and we'll talk about it all today. Also joining us, Michael Lombardi, former general manager of the Cleveland Browns and coaching assistant to the New England Patriots, will be joining us in hour two. Cannot wait to chat with him. And also, your phone call is 1-888-623-3646. Give us a call. We can't wait to chat with you. And we have

overreactions from all across Twitter. After like six minutes of the tweet being posted, it started trending in the United States. We appreciate you. It was trending alongside some very serious things. So happy we kind of sneak in there. Thanks everybody everybody, for keeping up. And let's go ahead and have a goddamn day.

At Tone Diggs, Pittsburgh Steelers, dead. Pat, I don't want to overreact. No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to. I got a five-step plan to fix the Pittsburgh Steelers. All right. Number one, first and foremost, fire Randy Fickner. Okay?

Worst offensive coordinator in the entire NFL. Over the last 30 games games they have scored one touchdown on the opening possession all those opening possession drives are choreographed by randy figner every single second and long you hear the defense yell watch you draw same thing junior high defense is yell okay yeah worst offense coordinator in the entire league number two cut eric ebron guys not a Whoa. Guy's not a Steeler. He's not a Steeler. Nothing about him screams Pittsburgh Steeler.

He's lost every single place he's gone. Ruined the Detroit Lions. He ruined the Colts. He's ruining the fucking Steelers. Get him out. What? Now this is because he went over to Josh Allen and said, Hey, Josh, good game, Josh.

Nice. That didn't help. Can't do that, by the way. Can't do that. I mean, the drop passes are one thing because the entire Pittsburgh Steelers team is dropping passes. But after the game, you just lost, by the way, big game in the AFC. That was a big game in the AFC for the Bills. While Josh Allen's live on national television giving an interview, you go and interrupt him,

dap him up, smile, how you doing, keep it moving, and walk off, tell him a good game. That's a tough look. New Pittsburgh wasn't going to be happy about it. Soon as I saw it happen, which you're not. Okay, so that's step two, by the way. All right, so there's three more. Here we go. Number three, get the defense healthy.

Oh, okay. Need the boys. Need the horses in the stable. Okay? Need the horses in the stable. Calm down. All right. Number four, quit fucking dancing on other teams' logos.

Oh, this is juju, it sounds like. It sounds like this. Every single game, him and his goddamn TikTok following go out to the center logo, and they do some stupid choreographed dance that some fucking four-year-old could create. And then it hasn't been in the ass yet, but then the Bills used it as motivation yesterday. Was it the reason why the Steelers lost? Probably not. But do we need to be giving teams extra motivation when you stink right now?

No. Quit fucking dancing on other teams' logos. Yeah, but by the way, the interesting thing about that is he literally goes out there and just dances on the grave. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just before the game. And the dance that he did yesterday actually had him doing this on the thing. And then I think he did this and he even did a whoop.

You know what I mean? Like on the whole thing. It's wild what he was doing there. And by the way, nobody said anything except for we saw what Poirier came out and said, you know, it gives you a little itch to go out there and hit some people in the head or whatever. I can't believe he did it right in front of the Bills punter, too. So as I saw it happening, I was hoping maybe the Bills punter would give him at least like a, hey, Juju, get your fucking shit out.

Go fuck yourself. That's interesting, though, but it's a new league, Diggs. It's about fun. He's having fun. He's having fun. He's having fun. Yeah, last time he did it, he was doing it in front of Boz while Boz was trying to warm up for the game. Oh, yeah, it made Boz move, actually, and then he missed.

And speaking of the TikTok generation ruining everything, number five is if this piece of shit human being doesn't stop pretending to be a Steelers fan, I'm going to call some of my family, and I'm going to feed them to the fucking fishes. Oh, you're talking about the Italians. He just said shit. If Foxy doesn't cut

his goddamn curse off within the next three weeks, we're going to have issues. Add Evan Foxy. I believe you are. By the way, Foxy, number one, Ebron. Number two, Juju.

Number five. Oh, number three, Randy Fichtner. Number five, Evan Fox. That's crazy. You're up there and you're four of the five pillars of the Steelers sucking right now, Evan.

Tone, that one hurts. Oh, jeez. That one hurts a lot. First and foremost, I would like to say, you know, when I chose the Steelers to be my team, I thought it would be a little bit more fun. These last two weeks have not been very fun as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. But with that being said.

It's like being a lion's den. It's similar. But with that being said, I's like being a lion's den. It's similar. But with that being said, I got a lot of people, including Tone Diggs, that said I'm a curse, all right? I didn't know people believed in curses these days. This is not Harry Potter. No way. This isn't Lord of the Rings.

No. This is real life. And this is a real fandom that I have for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's right. Buffalo Bulls are a good team. Give them a little credit here. Exactly. This is real life, and you're really messing it up, bro.

It's not a joke to us like the Detroit Lions are, okay? Steelers are a real thing, okay? Steelers have real fans. Foxy, that's what they're saying to you. You're ruining their life. Look, it's just like when you're out in Pittsburgh and someone's walking around with too much confidence. All right, sometimes you got to get smacked in the mouth.

These last two weeks, the Steelers have lost. They needed that smack in the mouth because they were undefeated before that. Now, you know what they're gonna do? They gotta play the Bengals. They're gonna bounce back and find their grit again. Yeah! I will say this.

It's been interesting because it does feel like Foxy's the most upset one about the Steelers losing. He came in here head hanging low. He said, is it me? And he's like, no, curses aren't real. Curses aren't a real thing. This isn't Mickey Mouse.

This isn't Disney. No, this is real life, Foxy. I'm pissed off, Pat. I'm real pissed. And all these other people tweeting at me that want me to root for their teams that they hate, their rivals, because they think I'm cursed. Grow up, dude. Grow up.

At Boston Connor, watching your roommate Foxy become one of the least favored humans in an entire city has to be pretty fun to kind of watch. There was a lot of hate for Foxy on the internet last night. Oh, it's fantastic. A lot of hate for Evan Fox. I love it. And I even love more that he doesn't think that he's affecting the team. I. A lot of hate for Evan Fox. I love it, and I even love more that he doesn't think that he's affecting the team.

I mean, Diggs can't even sleep. I know Nick is grinding his teeth back there, and Foxy's just acting like it's no big deal. He's ruining an entire football season. How about this team going undefeated until Foxy decides to be a fan, and then they just lose outright and look bad. Now they've got Roethlisberger caught in

the plate in retirement yet again. Yeah. He told somebody, asked him why something's happening. He goes, because I'm not good. That's what he said. They're going to have to fucking pick Roethlisberger up from the pits of hell right now. He might be down there next to Dan Bailey, to be honest with you. Oh, jeez.

You got to pick him up and kind of wipe him off and say, come on, have you heard his answers to these questions? This is the classic Roethlisberger. I'm going to retire. It feels different this time. That's just Big Ben and the team healing itself. That's the first step. Fake injury next week is the second step.

And then he'll be ready for the playoffs, which you guys might be like a four seed by that point. I don't know if anything's coming on. Going to have to beat anybody to win the whole goddamn thing anyway. Clinched yesterday, by the way. Clinched. Oh, congrats, by the way. Clinched. Oh, congrats, by the way. Foxy!

Foxy! Ty, Aaron Rodgers looked unbelievable, but still, Lions almost make that a game in the end. Yeah, I mean, I said it last week. You know, the special teams is going to bite them in the ass eventually. You go up 10, give up a 70-yard kick return on the following play when Stafford's already out. You know, instead of giving Chase Daniel like 90 yards to go,

it's just give him 15. And I don't know. I mean, yeah, the offense is great. But, again, it's the same thing as last year. It's the same thing as it's been the last like eight to ten years. You know, if the offense doesn't score 45 points a game, they're going to be in some situations where there's a good chance they're going to lose. Yeah, it's very – Mason Crosby, by the way, big-time tackle

after hitting a 57-yard field goal. Shout out to Mason Crosby. Shot his shot. Shot his shot. OG, by the way. Interesting. Threw it at the legs. It was a great tackle, actually.

I love Mason Crosby. He hasn't missed a kick this year. Yeah, he's unbelievable. And he's like 95 years old, too. He was in the league before I got into the league. Really? He was at Colorado. I remember everybody talking about him having the biggest leg of all time or whatever and i was sitting in west virginia like yeah fucking come on pal all right but then i saw

him actually kicking i was like oh this guy's unbelievable and he's been a he's been so consistent he had that one little run with the yips right but aside from that he's been so consistent for so goddamn long i love mason crosby man and even yesterday like you know i mean that 58 yarder i still it's kind of like foxy used to be with prater you know before he switched allegiances but i mean i never feel like he's not gonna just drill that and it just looks so effortless yeah he's good he's very good defense on the other hand you think he's going over to jk scott like hey that's how you make a tackle no i i would assume there's a lot of people talking to jk scott about tackling just saying hey just, hey, just fall.

Like, maybe just fall in front of him. At least become a hurdle. You know what I mean? At least make him do something. I think he doesn't want to get hurt, obviously. But at some point, you've got to do something. On the football field, there's a chance you're going to have to make a football play. Mesa Crosby did that, and I'm very thankful for him

because the kickers had a rough one yesterday. Kickers had a rough outing. I think there was like 12 missed field goals and a couple five missed extra points or whatever hey week 14 is tough these balls aren't just flying straight anymore there's a lot of breeze out there you know what i mean a lot of conversations happening a lot of built-up doubt potential yeah i wanted to ask you about that like is that something that you think has like gotten into his head and it's affected like his punting overall now? JK?

Yeah. I don't know. JK hasn't been punting the ball as well. Is that what you're saying? No. I mean, yeah. It seems like towards the end of the year. It's very inconsistent.

It feels like towards the end of the year it happens. I don't know. The Pilates thing was always very interesting to me. You know what I mean? I never did it, but I always felt like the people that did it, they were always considered to be in much better shape than me, which they were. It felt like their bodies always felt a lot better than mine, which they did.

Can't tackle, though. Felt like their knees, well, potentially. But there's a lot of guys that do Pilates that tackle people as well. But it feels like your muscles potentially don't, I don't think they're as powerful as long. Like, I feel like a lot of these guys who get into Pilates and yoga, at some point their muscles kind of peter out. Not as explosive. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I think there's two different ways to do it.

Now, I can't touch my toes, and that probably caused my knees to be at an all-time bow and arrow. You know what I mean? So it probably didn't help me at all. But I think the way he punts and everything like that, towards the end of the year, I've always been very intrigued to see how he continues to do so. Because whenever I would get towards the end of the year, I would have very intrigued to see how he continues to do so because whenever I would get towards the end of the year I would have to use my entire body to

get through it and there's some of these punters that don't even leave the ground they just swing their leg and I'm so impressed about how they maintain the strength to do it but towards the end I feel like JK does have a little bit of uh like beginning of the year he's dominant right well and that's what you see like the huge difference it's like those early games like they're actually pinning people and then the defense is actually playing pretty well. And then you get towards the end of the season and it's like, they're giving up field position big time.

And it's a big difference. Yeah. The offense, whenever they get the ball outside of their own 20, 25, I think the percentage of scoring goes up like 30, 40% or something like that. So it's like a real thing,

you know, commentators know about it, but those fucking idiots will never say a single thing about it like there's blocking the back on uh on returns michael lombardi and i were talking about this last week those blocking the backs where people started like their own eight or seven instead of out at like the 35 or 40 or whatever that's like a 65 70 percent uh swing on whether or not you're gonna score and it's like i'm blocking the back can't do it all right now they'll start their own seven yard line or whatever it's like okay can we also talk about potentially how that team's fucked right now yeah oh no no don't have to don't do it but you have a good punter it's a

big deal it seems like seems like jk towards the end it does get a little bit different but i mean he was in detroit yesterday so you can't blame the weather huh exactly i don't know he'll figure it out he'll figure it out pay or packers gonna have. Packers are going to have a long offseason. No, they're going to have a long postseason. Yeah, for sure. J.K. has a chance still to get back into the groove. He's got a few weeks left, and he's got a lot of playoffs going. His Aaron Rodgers ain't going to let him lose.

No, he's not. He won't. He won't. Neither will Devontae Adams, by the way. He's unbelievable. He is. MVS played great yesterday. Lazard as well.

I don't know. He is. MVS played great yesterday. Lazard as well. I don't know if you saw. Big Bub Tunyon had like just like kind of like a forearm that knocked out like four guys for the Lions. Set up a big first down on the third down play. Oh, yeah. Gave Aaron like 45 seconds in the pocket.

Yep. Yeah. Can't beat Aaron Rodgers when he's sitting in the pocket like that. No, you can't. Zeta, Bears, how we doing? Bear down. We're back. Bears are back.

The Bears. Let me get Trubisky's actual stats here. I want to make sure I get it accurate. Feel free to get the other 2017 quarterback class guys too. Oh, yeah, he had the best 2017 quarterback class ever. Yeah, those two other bums. Yeah, Patrick Bones had three picks yesterday. Mitchell Trubisky had three touchdowns yesterday.

Trubisky won 24 of 33. Okay, so they let him throw that thing. Oh, yeah, he's back. 267 yards. Oh, wow they let him throw that thing. Oh, yeah, he's back. 267 yards. Oh, wow. Yeah, think about that. 267, Mitchell Trubisky won for yesterday. They beat the Texans, obviously, 36 to 7.

Beat them, guys. Ass beating. 2017 quarterback class passer rating, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, and Patrick Mahomes. The passer ratings go Patrick Mahomes had a 91.9. Deshaun Watson, 101.9. Mitchell Trubisky, 126.7. That's the best quarterback, baby.

Did you say if? Oh, yeah. Is that what you said? Oh, yeah. Patrick Mahomes, if. You guys are going to feel pretty good about that. What happens, though? Because everybody's still going to get fired, so I don't understand.

Yeah, you know, the win actually, I think, prevented some firings closer than happening. Sooner. Yeah. But, yeah, hopefully we just make the playoffs now. That's all we're hoping for. Hey, you're in the hunt, aren't you? Oh, yeah, we're in the hunt.

Yeah, in the NFC, they're in the hunt out there. The Vikings losing is a big deal, obviously. The Vikings had the seventh spot in the playoffs. They lose to the Buccaneers after coming off a bye. And you know what? Dalvin Cook was really impressive there yesterday. That was just an ugly game. Tom Brady did not play great early coming out of the bye.

You would have thought maybe they would look different. Ronald Jones is a stud. LeSean McCoy got the rock a little bit yesterday. Gronk had a right-handed spike for the first time this season. Spike's back. How you doing, playoff picture? What do we got going on? I don't know if we learned anything about the bucks

yesterday coming out of that bye week i thought there was a chance you know that during the bye week you have self-evaluation you change some things around and they ran the ball more they definitely they let off the game with a run so it definitely was a conversation but that went over the vikings yesterday i don't think anybody's like you know what bucks are a team to beat now still but with the saints dropping the ball against goddamn Eagles, I mean, who knows anything anymore at this game? The fucking Philadelphia Eagles, entirely different team yesterday. Now, Jake Elliott missed a short kick,

so I'm not going to say all phases, I guess. But that Eagles team, I mean, there's an overreaction tweet that we got from somebody that said, like, does Doug Peterson have it out for Carson Wentz? Oh, no. Yeah, and then there's a photo, there's a tweet where, like, does Doug Peterson have it out for Carson Wentz? Oh, no. Yeah, and then there's a photo, there's a tweet where, like, Doug Peterson and Carson Wentz are kind of side-eyeing each other while Jalen Hurts is in the back.

That team looked much different yesterday than they had in weeks past, and I would assume that's because they saw, you know, what was going on in the team, or maybe it was because that option with Jalen Hurts just running the rock a couple different times, it seemed like they were a lot more creative there. Are the Philadelphia Eagles in the conversation now all of a sudden? The NFC East is all of a sudden the hottest league in the entire NFL. It's a Washington football team.

They get a big win. That Chase Young dude is insane. Fucking insane, dude. He scooped the ball one-handed and then tossed it to his other hand and then fucking just landed for 55 yards for a touchdown. That was awesome. Giants stink, so I guess that is – Unfortunately.

They're kind of out. Now it's Eagles or Washington. I mean, there's so much to be had still. We've got to get to a break. We have Mark Madden on the other side. Zito, what's your poll for the day? Yes, who is the biggest threat to the Chiefs and the AFC? Right now, last place is Bronze, 9.4%.

Then we have the Steelers, 13.5%. Titans, 17.2%. And Bills, 59.9%. So everybody likes the Bills after last night. I do too, by the way. I do too. Josh Allen's playing great football. Titans, 17.2%.

I think people need to relax on not trusting the Titans. If Derrick Henry, yesterday's game against the Jaguars was one of the easiest live bet things of all time. Derrick Henry had like a 50-yard run in the second quarter. If he's doing that in the second quarter, you know what's coming in the third and fourth quarter. He had over 200 yards yet again. That

team, they can beat the Chiefs. I mean, they almost beat the Chiefs last year, and then the Chiefs dropped 24 in one quarter or whatever out of nowhere. But it's just, the Steelers is falling out of conversation quickly. I mean, two weeks ago they were the only undefeated team. Now it's just the Steelers is falling out of conversation quickly. I mean, two weeks ago, they were the only undefeated team. Now it's like Foxy's a fan and all hell is breaking loose. Joining us now is the host of the Lombardi Line,

co-host of Hammered Down, former general manager, ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. How we doing? How you doing, Paisan? Did you see that poll? How do you feel about that poll with the AFC? Who do you think is the biggest threat to the Chiefs and the AFC? Steelers, Bills, Titans, Browns.

Bills are running away in a landslide. Over 18,000 votes, 61.6%. Look, I think it's got to be the Bills because they can play. They can make a point. I think that they'll slow it down. But I just don't know if there's anybody. I mean, the Bills decided when they played them in Buffalo a few weeks back to let the Chiefs run the ball, and the Chiefs played good defense in that game.

I thought yesterday, last night, what we saw from Pittsburgh against Buffalo is going to be the one thing Buffalo is going to have to overcome is anytime Josh Allen gets a lot of pressure and makes him hurry up. I thought he played well last night. I'm just saying, I think they're going to constantly pressure Josh so that they can take away some of these accurate throws that he's been making and make him kind of revert back. So I think Buffalo's the best one. Do I think they can beat him? No. Okay. So do you think anybody can beat the Chiefs right now in the Ac or do you think that they just decide when they want to win and when they don't want to win that's kind of been their thing now for the last what year and a half almost

because it wasn't until about halfway through last season maybe seven games into last season i think they really learned who they were and it was whenever they want to win they can win and they show that whenever they want however they want is there anybody in the AFC you think that can fuck with the Kansas City Chiefs? No, because I thought Miami would give them a better game. Now, I know Tua wasn't great. And he got 178 yards in the fourth quarter. He got 14 of his 27 first downs in the fourth quarter. The Chiefs played two quarters against Miami. And they played the second and the third quarter, and they got up 30 to 10. And they had enough it they kind of got bored and they let Miami to come back in to do a backdoor cover now that that game was not six point close no matter how you watched it it was

never that and I think that they've yet to play a 60 minute game from from the beginning to end and you know some of the mistakes I think were kind of self-inflicted mistakes tip ball overthrow i just think they're a hard team to when a team can play left-handed and right-handed which the chiefs have proven this year they can do i just don't know what formula there is to beat them i love flores's team by the way i love that dolphins team now i hate that they backdoor covered for the people that bet on the dolphins and all that bullshit because you know that was a heartbreaker for me pies on bet on the dolphins and all that bullshit because you know that was a heartbreaker for me pies on for sure with my cheat i mean i had a rough day yesterday game rough day yesterday yeah well so you know i got i i benefited from that on the

miami thick and then i then i got it taken away from me on the detroit see i think what happens so often is with a lot of these coaches they feel like they've got to they've got to score a touchdown and they leave no time on the clock to get the onside kick when you're in a two-score game you've got to take the field goal when you know you can make the field goal yeah that's what flores did and then the game's always going to come down to the onside kick so he did that then det Detroit did the same thing and I lost that bet yeah and I've always thought that's the right move by the way because a Hail Mary you can get from much further than you can a field goal so if you're going to have to get 10 points you

might as well kick the field goal as soon as you get in the field goal range and then leave yourself more time to get the touchdown that you need on the back end but a lot of coaches by the way for a long time didn't do that it It was always very intriguing to me. But I like the way Flores coaches. I think they're a damn good team. But that Buffalo Bills team is running away with the AFC East now. And the Patriots have somehow found a way to almost be in the hunt now at this case. I think we're, what, week 15 is about to come up or whatever.

And we still have a lot of questions on that AFC side of who is potentially going to get steamrolled by the Chiefs. Yeah, you know, when you watch Pittsburgh, I just think Pittsburgh's a shell of themselves. Their offensive line's not playing very well. Ben doesn't throw the ball down the field. The last three games, he's never made it close to six yards per attempt down the field. It's hard. They've had a hard time moving the ball, and defensively, they have so many injuries that it's limited what they can do. They're like, to me, they remind me of New England last year.

They're kind of running on fumes. They were great early, and now they're running on fumes late in the year. I love Tennessee, but do I think Tennessee's defense can control the game and get Kansas City off the field? The answer to that is no. They got zero sacks yesterday against the Jacksonville Jaguars, so they can't really pressure. Cleveland, I think, has got the ability to pressure Mahomes.

Can they cover them? I don't know, but can they actually really run the football effectively? That remains to be seen. You know, for me, I just think the Chiefs, when they put their mind to it, the way they throw the football, because everywhere else on their team, I don't think they're dominant in any area other than they're just so uniquely talented throwing the football. And the team you just omitted there was the Indianapolis Colts.

I mean, have a little respect. No, no. And look, but I think the Colts, again, you know, they gave up 14 in the first half yesterday. So now it's been 28, 35, 20, and 14 in the first half. And they got that game under control because the Raiders defensively firing Paul Gunther. Like, it's really Gunther's fault.

They're light on the edges. They can't handle the run. You know, to me, the Raiders have as much personnel problems as they do scheme problems. That was a good win for the Colts, though. People are saying Gruden should be fired. We got somebody that tweeted us earlier, fire Gruden. He's, what, $ 30 million into a hundred million dollar

contract there's no way that look look the guy look gruden's the gm i mean i know mike mayock has that title right but gruden's that drew everything they do there is based on what gruden wants so when he starts throwing guys off the boat it's just like okay you didn't want these guys john you didn't say okay to colin farrell You didn't want, you know, Abrams to safety. Like, seriously, this is your program. And it's going to make for a good daily coach article because when you as the leader fire people that have worked with you and part of the decision, you're firing a piece of yourself. Yeah. And by the way, to his credit, some people can't get past that and continue to ride along with a bad decision. So maybe that's here and over there.

The Daily Coach, I subscribe daily newsletter that i get in my email every single morning it gives me a little motivation to start my day i appreciate you for that let's talk about the nfc uh tampa bay comes off a bye week gets a win over the vikings but i don't think we got a lot of answers to the questions on whether or not the bucks are going to be a team or not do you think so well i've said on my on my show the bucks play too much defense right they were averaging in the last four weeks playing 32 33 minutes of defense for me in the nfl today the way to play good defense is to play less defense and yesterday the bucks played 39 minutes of defense because they really didn't convert third downs their team couldn't control

the game nor the control the pace of the game i think this was a game of minnesota missing field goals and missing opportunities they held the ball 39 minutes they're 5 for 15 on third down they get sacked six times i was not impressed with tampa's offense coming out of the bye week they won the game but to me i i think there was still a lot of question marks about their team they let rojo run the ball, which is good news. He ran for 80 yards, 18 carries, which is good for them to run the ball a little bit more. But I don't think there was any answers given yesterday in that game where you're like, you know what, I like the Bucs. Now, I think there's a massive question also in the NFC South with the Saints.

They lose to Jalen Hurts in the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday in the Saints in Taysom Hill. He took a massive step backwards from the week before playing quarterback. don't know what the defense by the way letting Jalen I mean he didn't score that many points I guess but still I think Jalen Hurts had a lot more success against that Saints defense than anybody thought and then obviously on the offensive side wasn't that great either are you sold on the Saints or do you think the NFC is wide open right now count me as one of those persons that that is disappointed in the Saints. I mean, I don't know what Dennis Allen, the defensive coordinator of the Saints, was thinking. I mean,

like, did he think that Hurts wasn't going to run the ball? To allow Hurts and that Eagle offense to basically run the single wing in that game and win and beat you is kind of disappointing. You've got defensive ends running up the field. You don't contain the quarterback. He leads the team and carries with 18, gains over 100 yards rushing. You're not going to beat anybody. The only way you lose that game if you're New Orleans is you lose that game if the Eagles can run the ball, and that's what they did. So Hurts played well. He played with poise, but he ran the single wing. Let's be real honest. He didn't really beat him throwing the ball. He beat him with his legs. I don't know if he could do that on a continual basis the saints always seem to have one of these kind of games every year you know where we question how good they really are on

defense are they talented enough and they look like they laid a big egg yesterday and then when they don't get camaro involved and they haven't been doing this lately they're not the same offense yeah the stats all say that by the way and there's some people i think saying like oh maybe they're resting him for down the road that's why he's not having a game or anything like that well they're in the middle of a pretty big battle for a pretty important seed especially this year in that whole thing whenever you think about the the saints whenever you think about next week they're hosting the chiefs and the chiefs are only favored by three and a half points. Is that because you think Drew Brees is potentially coming back,

or what do the books see that we don't see right now? Because it's at four now. It's at four now. What do the books see that we are not seeing for that Chiefs-Saints game next week? Because I guess you could say it's going to be a bounce-back game after what happened against Philadelphia, but I think what I saw in Philadelphia makes me think like, oh, the Chiefs, if the Chiefs want to, the Chiefs will be able to do whatever the fuck they want. I think they see a game like Carolina played them. The Carolina ran the ball,

made some plays, held the ball for almost 39 minutes in the game and had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to kind of win the game. I think that's the way you have to, if you're going to keep, if this is under a touchdown and you're playing the Chiefs, that's how you visualize the game. You know, it isn't because of home field advantage. You know, it isn't because you like the matchups. I mean, there was no better matchup yesterday than the Miami secondary against the Chiefs receivers if they would have doubled Tyreek Hill and just tried to take away Kelsey.

But, you know, they didn't quite do that all the time. So I think this is one of those where they think the Chiefs will allow the Saints to move the ball and maybe control the ball, and that's why they have it under a one-score game. Michael, despite winning the division yesterday and being in the driver's seat in the NFC right now, and Aaron Rodgers playing better than he has in a really long time, with how inconsistent the Packers' defense and special teams is,

do you think that's really going to be an issue with them as we get into the playoffs here? Yeah, I do. I think yesterday they were playing nickel against Detroit, and I don't know, sometimes I don't understand what they're doing when they're out there trying to run their defense, and they never really get control of the game because they never stop the other team.

Now, Detroit didn't run the ball yesterday, but you never felt like they got, even though they were in control of the game because they never stopped the other team. Now, Detroit didn't run the ball yesterday, but you never felt like they got, even though they were in control of that game, it shouldn't have been a seven-point game. That should have been a 17-point win for the Packers. I always worry about the Packers because defensively, when they go against a good offensive coordinator, whether it's the Saints again, whether it's the Rams, I think they're going to have trouble.

It's tough, too, because this is what happened last year, right? They get the NFC Championship game, and then defense can't stop anybody over there in San Fran, and then all of a sudden they're sent home one game before a big Super Bowl. And, you know, they made a lot of adjustments this offseason, so that'll make you feel good, you know, about that. Lombardi, they made a lot of adjustments over there in Green Bay this offseason to make their team better

You know what I mean They didn't do anything Oh yeah that's right They did nothing Their adjustment is hey Aaron Why don't you go win the game And make sure we win enough So I can get votes of the year for coaching

Seriously Jones is spectacular And how anybody doesn't double cover Devante Adams is beyond me like you know something which drives me crazy about the NFL is every position has a letter right there's the x receiver the y receiver the z receiver but I can tell you who Tyree Kill if he's the x he's different than another player who plays x for another team right yeah so that's Tyree Kill or that's Devante X, he's different than another player who plays X for another team. So that's Tyree Kill or that's Devontae. I'm doubling Devontae Adams when he gets off the bus.

I'm not letting him beat me. And it's the same thing with Tyree Kill. But some coaches, they just run their scheme and Aaron finds guys and makes plays. I mean, the guy's playing at such a high level that if they gave him a little help, especially defensively, if they could control the game with their defense, they don't rush the passer like they used to either. Mike, as I just angrily said into the mic that he's been saying that for 10 years as an owner of the Packers, Mike, as a former general manager, how come general managers, some of them are like, hey, let's go, let's go. Like, I'll do, I'll make the moves.

I'll do what we got to do. We talked to Bean of the Buffalo Bills. He said last year they were looking for a weapon for a couple different wide receiver or two. And he said whenever he learned of Stephon Diggs and the Vikings potentially being in a beef, he reached out, he was like, hey, is there anything we can do here? How come some GMs are so dead set on just a slow build? Like, for instance, the Packers, Gunter Kuntz, he's preparing for five years down the road

when they were just in the NFC Championship. How come, and what type of GM were you, and why and how hard would it be as a GM not to be like, okay, I'm going to fix what we need right now so that we can win next year? How hard is that? Because I feel like that is what I would expect out of my general manager and what I would want to do, it feels like a lot of places like goons and goons just

don't do that well not a lot of gms me included didn't have complete authority to do whatever you wanted to do so you got to jump through hurdles to get something done hell i as a gm of the browns i could i couldn't draft a kid in the seventh round without approval so it's hard to do things you know sometimes it's hard to do things but i think there's a lot of bias that goes into these decision makings i think the number one thing that hurts general managers in the national football league and it helped bean is they don't mis-evaluate their own team when being made a bad trade with kelvin benjamin he didn't blink he went back and tried to make another trade i think you get gunshot and you always mis-evaluate

you think your team's better than it really is. The Raiders must think their defense is better than it really is. Or else why would you fire Gunther on a week when you're playing on Thursday night? Like seriously, it's not totally a scheme problem. You've got bad players. And so I think you misjudge your team. And I think that's why teams don't make trades. Oh, we don't want that guy. He's no better than what we have. No, seriously. sometimes when you bring in somebody from the outside to look at your team i mean i'm on chicago radio every wednesday i've been on it for the last three years every wednesday and i've been talking about how bad mvp mitch is and yet they keep

playing mvp mitch whoa whoa whoa whoa show them the numbers, baby. Show them the numbers. Trubisky, 24-33, 267 yards, three touchdowns, highest passer rating, but higher than Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. They played the slow game. They played the slow game. Pick up his fifth-year option, and we'll have this conversation. What do you got? Please do it. Mike, do you see any of the teams in the bubble getting in,

or are the playoffs set now as they are? You know, I think it's – look, I think the NFC is going to be – Washington's got to win two games, right? And Washington's a hard team to play now. With that defense – and I know they don't have any offense, but I think if Washington went to go play Tampa, they'd beat Tampa. They would beat – there's teams – they're going to play Seattle this week. It's a playoff game. And I know they don't have any offense, but I think if Washington went to go play Tampa, they'd beat Tampa. They would beat – there's teams that – they're going to play Seattle this week.

It's a playoff game. Seattle will have a hard time moving the football on them because they're going to put pressure on Seattle's offensive line. So, now, can they move the ball on Seattle? They kind of make it look ugly, but sometimes they get two or three drives, and that's all they really need. So, I don't know. Like, Chicago, seriously, they're not a playoff contender what do you mean oh you know i don't think arizona is yeah at seven and six arizona's got to play philly this week do you think they can beat philly no that's a hard one for me yeah here's the nsc playoff picture the division leaders obviously the pack the saints who who knows what's going to happen with that is drew breeze back next week it didn't feel like it from all the reports tasem hill is going to have to

bounce back the los angeles rams nine and four and then the washington football team six and seven the giants were in the hunt there until yesterday their offensive line forgot how to block a single soul and daniel jones got his ass beat now the philadelphia eagles with jalen hertz are in the move but that washington football team with that d line that's just like if they were to play the Rams, and you might have just said this while I was trying to contemplate this entire thing, that defensive line can keep them in games, I think. And it's insane that we're at this point because of that Washington football team looked like they were in complete demise just a few weeks ago. Then some things start turning around. Here we go, get some wins. And the NFC East all of a sudden is potentially going to win a playoff game.

They're going to be hard to play. I promise you, nobody wants to be the fifth seed and have to play them. If they're the fourth, nobody wants to play them. They're going to be hard to play and some of the teams that they have to play. If Seattle ends up as the fifth seed, this 4-5 game, whoever wins this one, it could be

a rematch come playoff time. Washington's done a good job of avoiding losing. They haven't made any big mistakes, you know, like they did against Pittsburgh. They just keep relentlessly keep working and they keep the ball out of the end zone. They've been the best red zone team in football the last eight weeks. They've been the best football team in terms of keeping people out of the end zone and points allowed. So their numbers back up what they're doing. They just got to find a little bit of offense somewhere, somehow.

And if Haskins has to play this week, they can't let him screw it up and turn it over like he did in Cleveland when he was playing. Hey, did you hear about Juju dancing on the Buffalo Bills logo before the game? No, I did not. I did not hear that. Oh, Mike. On TikTok, Mike.

He chopped him. He chopped him on TikTok on the Buffalo Bills logo, dude. He chopped him. He chopped him. And then he goes. That might be the dumbest thing. That's almost as dumb. I worked at the Raiders.

Al Davis used to go to practice when we were at training camp, and he would stand in the middle of the field, and literally people would walk by him towards practice and you could have gone way to the left or way to the right. And I used to say all the time, like, if that was a tiger in the middle of the field, would you walk up to that tiger? And they said, oh, no, no, I wouldn't do that. Then why would you walk up to him?

Because he's a tiger. He's going to bite your head off. Like, why do you want to stir it up? Why do you want to stir it up, Diggs? Come on, Tom. You know how I feel about Juju and TikTok. Did you see Eric? It's a different time. I don't know if you could be a GM in the modern world right now.

I don't think you could. I'm not qualified, but I know this. I would never pet the tiger. Like, seriously, why would you pet the tiger? You never do it. How'd you do gambling? I was one in three yesterday. It was disappointing. And the thing was, the Giants blew me away.

I wasn't in it. That game I was in, the Packer game, I thought I had a chance to pull that out, but, you know, I got backdoored. But the two games, I mean, let's face it, the Saints, I was with a lot of people on the Saints, and they didn't show up. I wish I would have known that before. But I thought it was going to be an easier game for the Saints because at least they knew what the game plan was. But somehow Dennis Allen didn't get that memo.

Ladies and gentlemen, co-host of Hammered Down the Lombardi Line, also one of the authors for The Daily Coach and writes at The Athletic, also host of the GM Shuffle. Jesus Christ, dude, how do you have all this time? How do you have all this time? I just stay working, man,

and I'm still writing a book. I'm writing a book of football, and I'm still working on that. If i don't stay what am i going to do i'm going to watch football and write about football what else do i have to do like seriously it's the best time of the year i got plenty as belichick would say when you come come around playoff time look put everything in the desk and just focus on what's at hand okay put all the bills all that shit in your desk and just worry about the next game. That'll all figure itself out. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi.

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with code McAfee for 25% off any pair of shades. From Pittsburgh to Pittsburgh, ladies and gentlemen, a Pittsburgh treasure. A man who's going to answer all of our questions about the Steelers, the AFC, and life. Ladies and gentlemen, from 105.9 The X in Pittsburgh, Mark Madden. How's it going, Paul? Well, first off, during the lead-in, you showed a bunch of pictures of me, and there's certainly no shortage of unflattering pictures of old Double M, and you certainly proved that. Second off, I want you to see what I'm wearing today.

Okay. Oh, is that Juju Smith-Schuster jersey? Yes, it is, because I'm going to stomp on your logo and then get my ass kicked. All right. Oh, no. All right mark let's let's get right into it you have been a known juju smith schuster fan from the very beginning you've loved his tiktoks now it seems as if everything you could possibly dream of has come into one story the steelers lose to the buffalo bills in dramatic fashion and juju smith schusteruster and his TikToks are being mentioned as to reasons why that happened.

Is there any way to fix this Steelers team, Mark? What's going on? Well, Juju dancing on the logo isn't why they lost, not even close. But I do find it funny that here in Pittsburgh we have a cerebral hemorrhage every time somebody is perceived to disrespect the bar rag that is the terrible towel. But when Juju dances on the logo, he's just the kid having fun. How would you feel, Pat? How would you feel if he danced on your logo for the brand? How would you feel? I felt, I was thinking about that because he was dancing right in front of Corey Bohorquez,

the punter for the Bills. I don't know how I would react. I honestly don't know how I would react to that. He would have kicked him right in the nads. That's what he would have done. I saw you in war games, Pat. Like Pedro Morales said, you're ready for all kinds of action. Just a tremendous job. But what worries me about the Steelers is that Ben Roethlisberger seems like his arm's shot.

He got nothing on the deep ball. That last interception could have been fair caught. That pick six just didn't have the zip. And I am a Ben guy. But he's come back from surgery to reattach three tendons on his elbow. And it looks like his arm is fading as the season grows older. He won a bunch of games based on Guile and being Ben Roethlisberger, but it looks like that's been taken off the table by the other team.

The respect and fear isn't there. They don't run the ball at all. The offensive line's terrible. All those games without sacks is because Ben's getting it out in a couple seconds and throwing it two or three yards. The receivers drop the ball. People blame Fichtner, but Ben's the real offensive coordinator. Everybody knows that. Everything is down to him making the

final decision. So it's just a bad situation. I've never seen a team go from 11-0 to just being a team. I don't think we'll win a playoff game, and I think might only win one more game the rest of the season. But that's where we are with the Steelers, and I really might only win one more game the rest of the season but that's where we are with the Steelers and I really don't think there's a fix if if you have one I'd love to hear it in fact I know Tomlin would love to hear it too because I I don't think he knows what to do and that's not a knock on him I'm not sure there's a way back okay so you're obviously assuming that they'll beat the Bengals this weekend then because the Bengals stink I mean the Bengals absolutely stink if they had Joe Burrow healthy the Bengals this weekend, because the Bengals stink. I mean, the Bengals absolutely stink.

If they had Joe Burrow healthy, the Bengals would have a chance. But, yeah, without Joe Burrow, I think they win that game. I think what likely happens, I think they beat the Bengals. I think they find a way to beat either Indianapolis or Cleveland, but not both. And then they go into playoffs at 13-3, and they're one and and done because as I heard Rex Ryan say on Woke Center today, there's no team out there that they can beat in the playoffs playing like this, and I agree with that.

Okay, so you went after Ben a little bit there, saying his arm's getting tired, but it feels like every other pass is a drop ball. I mean, that's got to be something. How do you fix that, Mark? And is that just, you know, Ebron, for all for all of his you know good that he's done in Pittsburgh this year I think obviously playing there's been some moments where he's dropped balls then the Josh Allen situation happens now you got Lions fans that are like this is this is

Eric Ebron you got Colts fans saying this is Eric Ebron and with those drop balls between him Johnson in the office can you really blame Ben though I guess for that stuff or you're just saying that he's not going to have enough in the tank to make it anyways? Hey, Yvonne Johnson didn't drop the ball. I know that. I mean, I can't hold Ben blameless. Tongue twister there. I can't hold him blameless. I mean, he's had a great career and he had a great year up until they went to this pop gun offense. And a lot of people think that this offense is doing only what ben wants i wonder if it's not doing only what ben can uh the other team has to defend the 10-yard field that's it they're not throwing deep with any consistency or effectiveness and they can't run

the ball it's a simple team to defend and yeah pat you're right when you figure in the drops that's you know eggbeater in troubled waters. It certainly doesn't help, but I think it's far from the main thing. It's funny. Tomlin said last week that he was going to bench the guys who dropped the ball. Well, then run the wishbone, Coach, because you don't have enough pass patches to throw around. Mark, even with the problems on offense,

don't you think that the defense is enough to at least, you know, get them through a few rounds of the playoffs? No without bush and bud dupree no uh they're they're an ordinary defense now now the other team can look at them the other offensive coordinator and say okay they got what and they got hayward and they got minka but we can kind of game plan for them it's not overwhelming anymore. You've got guys out there like Kai Smith and Ulysses Gilbert and Marcus Allen that you just don't have to worry about at all, case in point. Last night, Cam Hayward ran amok in the first half.

He was unstoppable. So then they switched things up, doubled, even tripled him, and he disappeared because you didn't have to worry about somebody going to the hole created by double and triple teaming Cam. I forget the name of the right tackle for the opposition last night. For Buffalo. In fact, I forget they were Buffalo. That's how it was.

But he did a number on T.J. Watt. I mean, T.J. Watt had not a bad game, but an invisible game, and that's what you can do now against that defense. If you only have to worry about two or three guys instead of five or six guys, you can figure out a way. It might take time, but you can do it. Hey, Mark, hey, if the Browns get a win tonight, the Browns are hot all of a sudden,

and I know you said you think the Steelers will get a win, either over the Colts who are playing very good football right now or the Browns one or the other you think they won't win both but the Browns fans you know the Browns fans aren't used to winning like this by the way they've been very loyal for a long time but the Browns fans are seeing this Steelers team start to stumble at this time they're listening to everything you're saying are the Browns about to make a run at the Ac mark are the cleveland bronze about to make a run in the afc that i don't know would certainly be indicative of these troubled times we're living in if they did of all the weird things that have happened in 2020 the bronze overhauling the steelers from behind to win the afc more might

well be the weirdest i I don't know. I mean, Baker Mayfield right now is playing better than any quarterback in football. If that's not 2020 in a nutshell, I don't know what the frig is. Aaron Rodgers, hold on. Let's slow down. Yeah, good point. Good point. I mean, because he's on your show. How'd you get him to wear your logo? Hey, pretty cool, huh? Pretty cool. Aaron Rodgers. That is great. Yeah, he's a good guy. That's tremendous. He's a your show. How'd you get him to wear your logo? Hey, pretty cool, huh? Pretty cool. Aaron Rodgers. That is great. Yeah, he's a good guy. That's tremendous.

He's a good guy. I mean, it makes him kind of a stooge and a sellout. But, you know, he sells T-shirts, and that's what matters. Fastball. Still got it. He's not a stooge or a sellout. He's a very incredibly intelligent man. Do you look around?

Like, did you watch the Chiefs play the Dolphins yesterday? Do you think about that as you're talking about the Steelers, like the AFC as a whole? Or do you just focus on the Steelers right now? How are we going to talk? No, no, no. I think about the AFC as a whole. And I don't see any teams that they can beat, any playoff teams.

You know what's funny? I think they'd have a chance in the playoff game against Baltimore, even as much as they're slumping right now. Because I think they just play Baltimore a lot. They're used to playing, beating Baltimore, you know, beat them twice this year, even though the game against the JV was rough. And for that matter, they could have very easily lost the first meeting. But I mean, I never thought they could have beat Kansas City. Look at Kansas City yesterday. They played like 10 minutes and they won the game. Yeah, it was unbelievable. They fucking didn't cover, though.

I mean. Yeah. Yeah, I'm aware of that as well. Mahomes is just overwhelming, though. He's a beast. But I'll tell you, your guy Aaron Rodgers, he might be the MVP now. I think he might have overhauled Mahomes for MVP. We agree.

Not certain. You know, it's good, though, because now we have, you know, a few weeks left, and there's still the MVP to be battled for. Usually it's written in stone, and I think now it's up to who plays best these last three games. Have you been paying attention to what's going on over there in Philadelphia? Wild times over there. Jalen Hurts undefeated currently, tops the New Orleans Saints

who had Taysom Hill at quarterback, who looked much worse than he did last week. But Philadelphia's an interesting run here because the NFC East, the Giants stink all of a sudden again. Their offensive line decided to stop playing football again. The Washington football team seems to be good. The Philadelphia Eagles are getting good. That's going to be a real race to the end there. But with Philadelphia, Jalen Hurts coming in for Carson,

they owe Carson once, I think $100 million still at this point or $50 million at this point. They got a little bit of a problem over there at double M. Well, it's not a problem if jaylen hurts keeps playing this good uh it's only one game i was amazed that he got a 100 some odd rushing yards that's incredible for a guy making his first start in the league i don't know what's happened to carson wentz i i mean can you venture guess i have no idea i know he's been hurt, but he's still young. He should, you know, have better recuperative powers than he's displaying. I don't know what's wrong with the guy.

And by the same token, I look at Josh Allen. Josh Allen's a guy, when they drafted him, I figured, why'd you draft him? The first year, I figured, why'd you draft him? Part of last year, I figured, why'd you draft him? And now Isburgh had him because he is the new ben he's the new ben maybe the old ben he ain't this ben this ben ain't that ben no more hey bravo that felt pretty good baby hey now even with the tested iq of 166 that had to feel good whenever that whole sentence got out there. That had to feel good. You know, it flows.

I mean, even though, like I said in promoting this, I look like Nick Nolte's mugshot, it flows. Pat, you're with me on this. You cut a great promo, best promo in wrestling, although you know who's coming up from behind? It's like Rodgers and Mahomes. Don Callis. Don Callis crossing over between Impact and AEW.

He's coming up on the outside. It's down to Callis and McAfee. I love it. I wish you guys could go head-to-head, and hey, the way AEW works with everybody, maybe you will someday. Snoop Dogg, by the way. Yeah, they might feud with the champion of some indie fed in Des Moines at some point.

But, yeah. People don't even know how big of a shit Madden just took. What do you mean? You just took a massive shit on somebody there, and you're just flowing. Go ahead. Just keep it going. No, not in Des Moines.

Who you're comparing them to, yeah, I think. People that don't. No, I love Impact. I think Don is the best, except for you, and I'm not blowing smoke. He's such a great promo, great wrestling mind. I think Don is the best, like, except for you, and I'm not, you know, blowing smoke. He's such a great promo, great wrestling mind. I love to see it. I just question how much it does the Jaguars owner's promotion good. I think there's one-way traffic in helping who's getting help there.

But, you know, whatever. It's only wrestling. Nobody wants me. Although, I'll tell you what, I would be a brilliant. You know, it's funny because I've worked in wrestling for 20 years, as you know. Yeah. And there's a good reason for that.

I wasn't very good, and no one likes me. But I would be great as the impact color commentator spewing anti-AEW stuff. Oh, there we go. I would be brilliant as that. There you go. Why don't we put you in there? I'm sure... That's where WWE should have hired me. They should have hired me when WCW, you know, they did the war as the pro wcw color commentator you know arn anderson he's

on there i love art great talker he's on there you know doing regular wrestling color commentary i'd have been on there saying look the wcw world champs always been the world champ this wwe world champ i saw bruno he's no champion okay we've always had the real champ. This WWE world champ, I saw Bruno. He's no champion, okay? We've always had the real champ. That's how you talk when you're trying to ignite stuff like that. Yeah, well, you just buried Bruno San Martino, too, in the middle of nowhere. He didn't deserve that. I mean, that good Italian

guy from Pittsburgh. He and I didn't get along, Pat. You know that. Oh, because he, why? Because he's Italian? It would take two, no, no, I love Italians, please. It would take me too long to tell the story, but I think it says a lot about me, perhaps bad, but I will hold a grudge against you even after you're dead.

Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Madden. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now A.J. Haas. Hey, boy, A.J., how you doing, pal? How's life? How was the weekend? I'm doing good, pal.

Some good games that happened. I got to see your interview with Lombardi. I thought he had some things to say. Lombardi bashing the New Orleans Saints defense coordinator was very interesting. He said the fact that Dennis Allen didn't know that they were going to run the ball with Jalen Hurts is a bit alarming if you're a Saints fan, but I did not expect Jalen Hurts to be as successful as he was. I wonder if Doug Peterson thought he was going to be as successful as he was too.

There's something brewing, and that story is only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger as this whole thing goes along. I saw the headline on ESPN, Jalen Hurts going to start next week. Was that a question? Yeah they said the most obvious announcement is Doug Peterson saying that Jalen Hurts will be starting next week but it's not just about next week AJ you know the thing about it is

let's say the Washington football team continues to do what the Washington football team is doing which is play great football that defensive line is awesome the offense a lot to be desired. Not going to go on a run and win the Super Bowl, but they can win a playoff game and everybody will be like, yeah, because the defensive line is so damn good and the defense is good.

And it's a great story and everything like that. But the Eagles, they're in the conversation to make the playoffs. If they end up not making the playoffs, you know, if they started Jalen Hurts earlier, they're probably the NFC East champions in the playoffs. And we've got to pay Carson, so now we got to trade him. Well, it's Doug Peterson. That whole thing this offseason is going to be magnificent

to watch. That's going to be awesome to watch. It's going to be awesome to watch, and whether you want to hear it or not, it seems like the most likely destination is the Colts. Come on, come on, come on. There's a lot of other options out there. Aaron Rodgers might be pushed out of town. Aaron Rodgers,? Aaron Rodgers might be pushed out of town.

Okay, Aaron Rodgers might. Matty Stafford might be pushed out of town. You know what I mean? Who knows what James Winston's going to be doing? True, true. I mean, there's going to be a lot of options. Dak Prescott, by the way. Oh, yeah.

I mean, let's not just automatically say, you know what, Colts, pick up this $60 million in Carson Wentz. The whole team played better. The whole team played better yesterday for the Philadelphia Eagles. It's funny how that works, isn't it? Like when you just, no matter who the quarterback is, when you inject the backup, he comes in, especially to young guy. We haven't seen what he can really

do in the NFL yet. A lot of people are aware of the success he had in college. So I guess the question is, can he continue to win games? He's a little bit different than their offense used to be. Obviously, he ran for over 100 yards, which is pretty impressive. I didn't expect that. But, yeah, the consistency, how he finishes the last three games,

I guess that'll be very telling. You know, Lombardi said he didn't expect him to rush for over 100 yards either. I think the 167 passing yards is more surprising to me than the rushing yards. And that's just – I guess that's because he doesn't have lightning speed is that why everybody thought he why did you think he wasn't going to be able to run i didn't think he wasn't i didn't think they were going to commit to run this oh okay gotcha i also figured that the the saints d or i'm sorry i figured the defense was going to try to like that's what you're going to do we're going to stop the run what do you let's make this dude beat us and it is the saints well that's by the way, that's what Lombardi was saying.

He was like, that defense coordinator, nobody fucking told him. Like, they stopped the run here first. Because Jalen, there was a couple times where he got the edge, and there was just nobody even. Like, there wasn't even a disruption of the edge, potentially. What's that? The Saints didn't give up a 100-yard rusher for three years. And they gave up two yesterday.

Dennis Allen was like, they're going to air it out with Jalen. How the fuck does that happen? That is a wild, you know what, Jalen Hurts coming in or Bench and Carson? Fucking, it's going to be Texas Tech of old school. Be careful. This is going to be Mike Leach running the show over here with Jalen Hurts.

What did they think was going to happen? I'm very intrigued because they had Jalen Hurts' packages and it was him running. They just had too much time. They overanalyzed and said, okay, well, we know that they think that we're going to just load the box and stop the run and say, prove you beat us deep. And you know what? They're probably

going to throw the ball 60 times, so let's just make sure we take care of that. Let's say that did happen. Imagine Dennis Allen in the middle of the second quarter he was like by the way they didn't think that we knew they did not do any of the thinking that we did man we were at a bad spot uh a couple other big games obviously chiefs can't cover against the dolphins for whatever reason but they look unbelievable travis kelsey is currently leading the nfl in receiving yards he would be the first tight end to ever do that if he was to finish a season this way. Going to be difficult, obviously,

because there's some guys that is the entire target. And also Tyreek Hill is on the team, which is going to take some targets. But Travis Kelsey, Tyreek Hill, McCole Hardman, all of them out there, that team just seems to know what they have to do to win a game and just move forward. We'll be able to do this whenever the hell we want. Hey, are we sure tyreek hill is okay i saw him grab his hammy at the end of one play but then he was back in the game he said it was a cramp because it did appear to be a sniper on the roof type grab of the hammy because he like popped up a little bit so normally that means something snapped right in half uh but they say it was just a cramp that is a full report and that even more so the conversation uh that i've

had about tyreek here for a while his durability for how explosive how fast uh the style of play his durability is maybe his most impressive feat and he has 10 other things he can do physically that are just unbelievable because somebody that is that fast that quick uh the quick twitches are so in tune you would think a popped hammy would happen. But instead, just a cramp, actually. He was down in Miami. A little bit high. I've been running seven miles.

I don't know if you see our play calls. I just run all over the place. It's amazing to me how durable he is. And on the flip side, is Ben Roethlisberger dead, AJ? Everybody's talking about Lombardi's big stat is you have to average at least six yards per attempt or whatever per completion if you want to play winning football. He hasn't had that, I guess, all year, and they were nowhere near it.

It's all quick outs, quick routes. And there's been dropped balls, though, that doesn't get talked about a lot. It's all kind of falling on Ben Roethlisberger's shoulders. But is he dead? Are the Steelers dead, AJ? I don't know if they're dead, but their style of play doesn't look like it's going to help them in the playoffs, especially with the injuries they have on defense.

Bud Dupree, I think, was a huge loss for them. Oh, no. Quick game situation. I don't think Ben is – I don't think he's really made for that. Obviously, he's had success. He can do whatever, but I think he's better when he's holding on when he is Ben, but who knows what that elbow feels like in the rest of his body is he dead if i don't play good enough football then i need to hang it up says ben roethlisberger but i still feel like i can do

enough to help his team win football games you know the ben roethlisberger this is something Ben is very hard on himself. Ben does seem to blame himself heavily for whenever things don't go well for the Steelers. Beats himself to the bone. He does beat himself up. It does seem like he does that. Because this happens a lot. Take it easy over there, AJ. This happens a lot where Ben Roethlisberger, you know,

I think this is what I was talking about with Dan Bailey. Ben Bailey. Cash cap. But Dan Bailey. By the way, I would assume Ben Bailey sometimes he gets that point in his brain where he's, you know, I'm not going to be able to say anything clever or witty in between questions here. You know what I mean?

Dan Bailey has what's going through right now is his brain's telling him he can't make a kick. Ben Roethlisberger seems to have this happen every once in a while where his brain starts to tell him he's a bad football player. And it feels like

this is like the first time in maybe a couple years this has happened, but I'm worried about old Ben with the way he's speaking digs. I'm very worried about it. He's got some sort of blockage, I think.

Oh, Jesus. A lot of guys think he needs to relieve himself, but I'm just saying, football-wise, he has this conversation on a regular basis, doesn't he? Yeah, I mean, people forget because he wasn't in last year. But he threatens retirement every single season. I mean, he fakes an injury every single season. I mean, there's a down point every single season.

He'll be back. I mean, this is just for dramatics. This is just who he is. I can respect somebody thinking about retiring every year, by the way, because I did do that. And then I finally pulled the trigger. But what's that, AJ? Who do they play next week?

Bengals. This is a big get-back game. This is like the Seahawks being broken for three weeks and then getting a chance to beat the Jets by 37 fucking points, by the way. 40-3. They had to hop on a plane five and a half hours from Seattle all the way back to New Jersey after that game last night I just thought about all the players all the coaches there wasn't a single thing that went well not a single special teams not great defense

terrible offense bad lost 40 to 3 to a team that was potentially broken then you got to hop on that plane and just sit in a in a tin of misery for a quarter of a fucking day while you fly back from seattle i mean that was just i was that's tough dude they're definitely not gonna win a single fucking game this year they are so bad you're right that's like what a terrible place to go get blown up like that and on the plane so all the coaches know like every coach is sitting there texting all their buddies around the league i I came in like, hey, whatever's open, I'm available soon. Every coach is thinking that. Then every player in the back is thinking like, oh, am I going to get cut?

A lot of players are saying, I want the hell out of here. Like, get me out of this place. So like what a just awkward, terrible dynamic. Anybody know my contract set up? What is it? What is a restricted free agent? That conversation is happening in the back what is a restricted free agent that that conversation's happening in the back of it am i a free agent or oh and then somebody would say no they still get you might

be trapped here at least another year or two man that might sound and that whole time and then there's some wine potentially happening and then there's like a sitting back people talking about the good old days when they they were on teams that won football games. That six-hour ride, I bet, was just miserable. And to your point, the Jets losing does, in fact, clinch Nick Mangold chugging an entire bottle of barbecue sauce now. That's right. Hey, Nick, don't you forget, pal. You put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into the deliciousness of your barbecue sauce.

Oh, yeah. And that's good news because we love the taste of this stuff. I would have been willing to chug one of these if the Colts hadn't won a certain amount of games of your barbecue sauce. It's milky. And that's good news because we love the taste of this stuff. I would have been willing to chug one of these if the Colts hadn't won a certain amount of games and if the Jets won more than four games because of how delicious this is. Absolutely. Some of the best barbecue sauce we have ever seen.

Bar none. The best in the office. The only barbecue sauce we have in the office. The Mango 74 barbecue, but with the way the Jets have played this year, you see, in that six-hour misery flight last night, what it kind of locked in there is they ain't going to win four games. No, they're not.

They ain't going to win four games. And guess what? The Colts already won the amount of games they had to win. That's right. So what we're telling the big handsome, okay, big handsome. Oh, yeah. A man that's notoriously uh represented right next to the new york jets when you think of the new york jets is this big handsome bearded man who held down

the center of the fort for them during the times where they were winning some games in recent history he is a man now that has to uh chug a whole fucking bottle of barbecue sauce because jets stink so that's a regrettable thing for him to sign up for we kind of forced him into it a little bit i kind of feel bad about it but you know nick you chug that i'll also donate a certain amount of money or whatever depending on upon the misery of which it looks like is this is thick oh yeah yeah very. Maybe set a time limit of how fast he has to do it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Think about a funnel.

Yeah. They stink, AJ. They stink, dude. I mean, obviously, what about, I think it was last week where Boomer came out and said Bill Cowher may be interested in that job. Yeah. Yeah, Bill Cowher came out and was like, that is not true. I don't care what the fuck Boomer says.

That is not true at all. What if that is how like those super high-end guys like that's how they troll each other you know like what if that's how they do it like oh did you see what i did to bill i linked him with the coach of the jets new york post espn every they were talking about on the internet everywhere talking about and bill had come out and say i ain't coaching down there that's awesome maybe i'll start doing that to you aj you should but this is perfect i mean let's say coward ain't coaching down there. That's awesome. Maybe I'll start doing that to you, AJ. You should, but this is perfect.

I mean, let's say Cowher doesn't want to coach. And then the Jets say, hey, man, we'll pay you 11 mil a year. He's like, okay, maybe I do want to coach. I don't know what the Jets are going to do to turn that place around, man. That whole culture stinks. Now, granted, I was on a team that almost went completely defeated. And they changed the culture, painted the walls and everything like that. But I think that's what you're going to have to do with the Jets. they sometimes you gotta bury the game ball you know what i mean bury the ball let's forget all that they might just have

to bury the whole goddamn building yeah just fucking just start digging just bury it well they get trevor lawrence next year and then maybe bring in someone like joe brady to coach him i mean they might all of a sudden be good and you know 15 years joe brady feels like a good hire be enemy is another one right absolutely a couple offensive guys maybe graham harrell huh that's a good that's a that's one that people aren't really talking about at least what grant maybe hire graham to be the oc by the way the only people talking about it it sounds like our friends of graham because i believe you are the one that mentioned it. And that's the only reason why I mentioned it. And Pat, what we, Aaron and I talked about back,

Graham would always tell us, yeah, I'm going to coach. And so all we ever talked about, like, Graham, we cannot wait until you're a head coach because you will have to do press conferences every day. And we know the human you are, and it's going to be amazing. Go on. Just, I don't even know how to describe Graham. He's such a unique weird dude he collects these

little baby shrunken heads he has like a hundred of them on his wall he's weird he's just so weird he's super into wrestling so he's a nut job everything about wrestling let's lead off with that okay i like that the the hannibal lecter shit keep kind of keeping the back gee in the back pocket yeah i don't know what he's doing with that. It just adds to the weirdness and how unique he is, but he's like a weird genius too when it comes to football, and he's real big into simplifying things. He doesn't like the coaches that have the paragraph-long play calls.

That's why I think he's had so much success in the college level. Who's the guy that coached in the XFL that I got to call? He's the creator of the air raid off. mummy how how mummy yeah his plays only have one word they're all one word and then everybody knows what the hell they're doing that guy was awesome towel around his neck slippers on he's the mike leach he's mike leach's mike leach he was the guy that mike leached mike leach he was his his coach. How mummy. Yeah, that guy's awesome. Graham, I assume, is from that same tree, right? Absolutely. Played for Mike Leach and coached for him.

Yeah. Yeah. So it makes sense that he collects skulls. That's not real, right? That's just AJ trolling Graham. It does feel like that's potentially AJ lying, much like some other situations where he's lied about on here. Kind of caused a couple situations.

During the pod bit. A little controversy. I mean, I'm not lying about the shrunken head things. You can ask Aaron tomorrow. He knows all of them. Kind of caused a couple situations. A little controversy. I mean, I'm not lying about the shrunken head things. You can ask Aaron tomorrow. He knows all about it. But the good thing for Graham is he'll never see it. Graham doesn't even know how to use the internet. Oh, he has to find his shrunken head somewhere. Is he going door to door to

find those? He better be fucking using the internet. I think he has his wife probably going, hey, Brittany, give me some of them. Give me a couple more red and blue skulls. Let's go to Elliot in New York. Elliot, what's going on, man? What's up, Pat? How we doing, guys?

Yeah, you know, life has changed a little bit over the last couple minutes, to be honest with you. Now that I know some people collect some things. But other than that, everything's okay. What do you want to talk about, bub? Cool, man. Yo, I got a couple tips. Number one is when they call the red zone the red area, that's got to stop.

I don't know if that's contractual with the station or what. That's just BS. Number two, this I think you can really change. They call field players, right, receivers, quarterbacks, running backs. If you were to go up to Ndamukong Su or Aaron Donald or Pat McAfee or any freaking 250 pound player and tell them they don't have skills, they would probably knock you on your ass. So please, can we call

them speed players and not skill players and change this travesty that drives me crazy every time? That a boy, Elliot. When you do, this guy probably collects skulls, by the way, Elliot. Seems like he's a little bit upset about something he should not be that upset about. You know what I mean? Unless Indomitian Sioux is coming out here saying,

hey, I'm tired of the skill players getting a differentiator. Mark Schlaerth had the – he went on a rant about how the toughest skill to learn is how to move another human, right? So he said you talk about skill players. He was talking about offensive linemen being skill players. I don't think if you're not in the skill player category, you don't have any skills. It was just an easy way for people in practice to say,

skill players over here, this happens. Everybody else just kind of got to eat shit, which I can see why you're a little bit upset. You seem like you were the skill-less player there for a long time. That's on him. I apologize for that. That should have been me. He was definitely not a skill player.

That guy? Yeah. Yeah, he was 185-pound D lineman. Ooh. I bet he was uh 185 pound d lineman oh yeah i bet he was a lot of potential 185 d lineman i bet you he fucking had good hands good frame skills yeah yeah he had skills in there didn't have the speed coach kind of screwed him a little bit because he couldn't get off the ball as fast as other people but whenever he got into the technique game, that motherfucker was flawless. Always graded high on effort. Oh, yeah. Always.

And very little MAs. Normally no MAs. Elbow guards. Started out third, fourth. Yeah, definitely had elbow guards. If that coach didn't screw him, too. I mean, Elliott's probably playing at Bama right now. Elliott, we appreciate you, man.

Baby! AJ was – AJ appreciates you, too, AJ, because you were middle linebacker. You were stupid. You weren't no skill player at all. Oh, yeah. Run your head in. You're a fool. Stupid andbacker. You're stupid. You are no skill player at all. Run your head in. You're a fool. Stupid and no skill. You're right.

So I'm with Elliot. Can you put those fingers up one more time? No. Come on, man. Dude, just do it. Oh, I saw it. What? So what's that from?

You think that's from when you had to grab people's jerseys and then throw them? Oh, my God. That's disgusting. That's pinky. That's disgusting. That pinky. That's disgusting. Jesus. God, really. Oh, jeez.

Holding the cigar, it literally is just his hand locked in, and they just shove it in there. I mean, it's just unbelievable. AJ, we appreciate your sacrifice of your hands for the good of the game. Thank you, AJ. Thank you, AJ. Thank you. Let's go to Matt in Philadelphia.

What's going on, Matt? Hey, Pat. How's it going? Not too shabby, man. How are you? First of all, I just wanted to say thank you for taking my call. I really enjoyed your show the last couple of years, watching it and getting it through quarantine with you guys.

And you guys have inspired me to do my own podcast. So can't thank you enough for that. What's the name of the pod, Matt? What's the name of the pod? It's called the Black and Blue Pod. Okay. What's that about? It's about sports, music, entrepreneurs.

I really wanted to branch out and bring... Sorry, I'm a little bit nervous. Don't worry about it. Black and blue pod, dog. You're just going to listen to it now. I just want to know what we're listening to. No, yeah. So it covers sports.

I interview some guests like R.J. Cooper. He was on the first all-black men's high school rowing team. Oh, that's cool. Whoa. Nice. It's a big deal. What was your first question? what was your first question what was your first question there sorry sorry uh so my question is no no no to the rower to the

rower what was your first question to him did you say how'd you get into rowing yeah yeah he was out of uh west he grew up in chicago in the west side of chicago shut up. It's a crazy story. There's a whole documentary on it. It's called The Most Beautiful Thing for anyone who's interested. My podcast is available on all streaming platforms for anyone who's listening that may want to check it out.

The Black and Blue Podcast. Let's go to the Black and Blue Podcast. What do you want to ask now, brother? Obviously, with the Eagle situation and Jalen Hurts getting that win over New Orleans, there's a whole controversy now. Do you think, assuming that

the Eagles decide to move on and try and find landing spots for Carson Wentz, do you think Pittsburgh could be a big move? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good call, Matt. That's a good call, Matt. There it is. Yeah, that's where they send him to Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah. Black and Blue podcast is sending send him to Pittsburgh. Black and Blue. Yeah. Yeah.

Black and Blue podcast. Send his ass to Pittsburgh. I like it. Anywhere that isn't Indianapolis, I am with it. Well, it's good for Carson Wentz because the only quarterback he might be better than in the league is Mason Rudolph. All right. Let's get a mic in there. Wow.

And he can go hunting with Duck. Ooh. And pray with Ben. Wow. Two for one. Here we go. Perfect spot. Real quick, will you listen to the Black and Blue podcast tonight?

Absolutely. All right. Full review from AJ. All right, I can't wait for a full review tomorrow. I will. Honestly, I do listen to a bunch of different ones. Why not give that one a shot? I mean, yeah, why not?

Let's go to Colin in Bloomington. I could have buried him. I chose not to. Good guy. Because I'm going to listen to Black and Blue podcast first. Is it blue as in like blue cheese or is it blue as in the color? I would assume because he talked about music, maybe blues in there a little bit. Oh, not bad. Okay.

I like the music. What's going on, Colin? What's up, Pat? I hope that you, the boys, and AJ's hideous finger are doing wonderful on this overreaction Monday. Thank you. I think we're all doing just fine. What do you want to talk about, brother? Well, yesterday the Giants' O-line sucked.

I mean, they didn't protect Daniel Jones' worth of anything. Whenever he gets sacked, he can't hold on to the ball or anything. I wonder if it's time for Colt McCoy to take that starting job. I knew as soon as Colt McCoy got a dub. By the way, his first win, I think, as a starter in the NFL or whatever. As soon as he got that win last week, the whole world was

going to be like... Literally, yesterday I was watching, just waiting for Colt McCoy to start trending as they were struggling there. They brought him in at the end, thought he was going to be able to make some magic. But that Giants team, such an interesting dilemma. They have to turn around that entire place. I think Joe Judge is doing a good job.

But Colt McCoy getting that big win a week ago. Daniel Jones getting slaughtered. Just go ahead and roll the ball out there and let the old Texas boy do his thing. Why not? Why not do it, AJ? Why not let old Colt go ahead and take the reins for the rest of the year? Are you so sure that Colt wants to go take the reins? I mean, they gave up five sacks to Hassan Reddick yesterday. One dude, yeah.

And by the way, he was getting them like every third sack that they were getting. So you do the math. It felt like ten sacks yesterday and then a lot more that could have happened. I mean, he was getting his ass beat back there. You know what, though? That Giants offensive line, they'll give a little bit more effort next week. You know what I mean, he was getting his ass beat back there. You know what, though? That Giants offensive line, they'll give a little bit more effort next week. You know what I mean? Now that they're officially out of it, they'll give a lot more effort next week.

Yeah, whoever. You're going to bring Mark Colombo back? Do you ask him back now? Oh, that's a great question. Didn't they fight each other? Yeah. What'd they fight about? Bringing in stuff.

The new guy. Maybe the old guy and the new guy fight each other in gooks. Stuff, yeah. The new guy. Maybe the old guy and the new guy fight each other in front of the guys. Oh, that'll get inspired. Yeah. Yeah, maybe have Colombo come in and slap some more people around. I'm going to knock this fucker out in front of all you guys. All you guys. Wait, who's he going to knock out?

The head coach or the old line coach? The old guy. Yeah, Goose. That's the true meritocracy. Let him fight it out to see who gets the job. I mean, are we going to be old school smash mouth football or not? You know what I mean? Is that how we're going to earn our spot around here?

We're going to have to earn it? Is that what we're going to do? Time to set the culture. Yeah, you guys can fucking learn a thing or two about being tough. I'm going to knock this guy's fucking teeth out. And we're going to win a football game next weekend. What accent is that? I don't know.

I assume that's what Goog sounds like. Or Columbo. Either one. AJ, did you ever take any tests in college? Or was that whenever Ohio State was just giving you guys grades? I never took one, man. I have no idea what that even is. I told you, I went to class every day.

I could not skip. They checked our classes. Yeah, okay. When did that become like the talking point? Was that around the same time you guys all were like, the Ohio State? Did it all come in like the same pamphlet? It's like the Ohio State, and we went to every single class.

Also, no tattoos. Also, see also. Was that like in one big pamphlet? Was that on that Ohio State cruise you guys go on? No, I don't know. I mean, I was in Coach Trestle's first recruiting class, and he is very detail-oriented. He wants to make sure you're doing all the right things off the field

and on the field. So, yeah, he sent people around. It happened. I told this on the show a long time ago. Andy Katzmore was on the cover of Sports Illustrated back in the day. It says, like, the Buckeyes are number one if the big cat is eligible. He had to go take some weird – they found out he was taking some garbage classes, I guess, which I know Andy.

I saw him last week. He's the man. And after that, I think they started turning. They, like, went the other way. Like, teachers, professors, everyone, there's a lot of bad pub for the school. So they kind of made it sometimes more difficult on players. West Virginia did a class checking and things like that. I do remember that. They did check classes.

It's always a nightmare when you get a text, hey, buddy's here checking. You got to, like, let me hop on my scooter real quick. And I pull in, like, 20 minutes late to the class. Oh, I got caught up in traffic or whatever. All right, yeah, you're a little bit late this time. Gotcha. Walk in. Teacher doesn't even know you're in the class because you haven't been there yet all year.

Say, hey, how's it going? Just here. Did you drop something off for my friend? And then fucking just go ahead and get out of there. See you later, pal. Man. My college experience, what a joke. Now that I think about it.

What an absolute joke. Cade York, by the way, kid from LSU, 57-yard field goal. I hope he got to celebrate that. 57-yarder in the fog, everybody's saying, in the fog, in the fog, in the fog. I don't know how much that changes the kick, the kick, the kick, but that was an incredible ball. 57-yarder at no matter what level, especially in the fourth quarter with 30-some seconds left against a massive rival in an SEC game on national television.

Massive ball by Cade York. McPherson could have tied it up, I guess, with a 51-yarder moments after, pulled it a little bit to the left. That's a big ball. Congrats to Cade York. I didn't see it live. Did not see it live, by the way. It was nice.

I got a lot of tweets from people telling me I need to pull a little respect on Kate York's name or something like that. I'm like, all right, fucking relax, first of all. And also, I was sleeping. I am so sorry I passed out a little bit early on Saturday. Great vitamin day on Saturday. Ooh, buddy.

We are all the way out there. Hey, Browns Ravens tonight, AJ. Browns are getting three points at home against a Ravens team that I don't think anybody would say has looked that damn impressive in the last month or so. A lot more question marks than answers. What are you thinking in this game tonight? Why are the Browns getting three points, you think, at home? Aren't the Browns hot right now?

Are the Browns not a hot football team right now, AJ? The Browns are a very hot football team. I think people don't trust the Browns yet. I mean, a the ravens would go very very far i think for people that are on the fence about the browns and you know i love to pick an underdog pat like i would love to pick the browns here but i can't like i think the ravens gonna win this one okay so you truly believe that like you're not even looking at this as the sports books want us to bet cleveland browns plus three by the way because they do this line was set up for everybody to bet bet Cleveland Browns plus three, by the way, because they do. This line was set up for everybody to bet Cleveland Browns plus three. I would assume a massive amount of money is on the Browns.

I mean, I might be out of touch here, but it feels like this is a setup for people to bet on the Browns. You like the Ravens straight up? Yeah, I like them straight up. Judon's back, I believe, on that defensive line. What do you think offensively? Do you think Lamar's just going to show out tonight? I think Lamar plays well. I know for whatever reason the Browns can't stop tight ends.

Mark Andrews is in the lineup. He scored. He had two touchdowns against them week one. These are like gumpy things I'm going into, like stuff that happened in the past. Gumpy just gave you a massive shrug from the back. Massive shrug from the back. Gumpy, what are the stats saying for tonight?

This did open as a pick-em, Pat. The Sharps pushed it to a minus three, so that's where the money's coming from. And then the only worry with the Ravens is they are one and four against the spread. Their last five is a favorite. But they are seven and three against the spread. Their last ten against the Browns.

Connor, you like the Browns a lot. I'm all over the Browns. You know what? Vegas is always right. I understand that. Not tonight. Tonight's about the dog pound, okay? Why is that?

Why is that? Because Baker's hot. He's going to go cook. They got two great running backs. And I understand Judon's back and Mark Andrews, whatever. You know, they couldn't even follow protocols. So I'm not trusting their on-field performance until they can prove it. Of course, because the COVID protocols are broken.

That means on the field they can't do jack shit. Because the little things lead to big things. Thank you. Isn't that right, Conor? And they're not in one hole, one play, boom. See you later, Nick Chubb, 75-yard touchdown. What's going on? The Browns are winning 7-0 already.

Oh, by the way, Kareem Hunt, too. If Nick Chubb gets a little bit tired from running so far, he'll come in and do the same goddamn thing. Oh, is having an unbelievable backup running back something that's good? Well, guess what? The Browns got that. Kareem Hunt, like you just said, see you later. 100 yards, probably two scores.

Oh, also, good tight end. You want to talk about good tight end? What about the Austin Hooper out there? The Hoop? Are you talking about the Hoop? No one's better at blocking than the big Hoop. And let's just see. Maybe down at the goal line, you know,

instead of handing it to one of those two all-pro running backs, slide, hold on, play action, hoop, score. Bang. Maybe Jarvis Landry, end around, throw a touchdown himself. Jarvis Landry, end around, throw a touchdown to himself tonight maybe. Jamal Charles in that commercial. Just toss it up, run, catch. I'm going to take him alternate spread.

You just convinced me. Don't let the Ravens beating a very bad Cowboys team make you forget that they lost three in a row before that game. How about that? How about that? Was that against Nooch? Who was that against? Was that against Andy?

Andy Dalton, a whole different quarterback, against that Bengals this weekend. A whole different quarterback. You see him. First off, Gumpy's wrong. You said a very bad Cowboys team the bad cowboys are good they're still alive they have hope we saw them light up the bangles yesterday they are and by the way i love that andy dalton's wife was in a suite with a cincinnati bangles fan that they

had probably known for a long time whenever their time was in cincy no aj green's wife he was what she was with okay so yeah cincinnati bangles fan that they knew for a long time from their time at Cincy. Okay, continue that. That had to feel so good for Andy Dalton and his wife. He got benched on his birthday last year. That team stinks. Zach Taylor, everybody says he's safe

for his job just strictly because the ineptitude of the ownership, they won't fire somebody. I mean, that is a dumpster fire over there. And Andy Dalton loves every single thing about it. I was pumped up for Andy Dalton, man. Hey, old Bengals were killing it yesterday. Nuge gets the call-up from practice squad and drains every kick.

Did he have three or four field goals? Yeah, he had a 55-yard or two that ended up being a penalty or whatever that he missed, but I think he would have made if they moved it up five yards. But I was big pumped. And also, Carlos Dunlap, he played well over there for the Seattle Seahawks. Shout out to Andy Dalton just fucking burying the goddamn Bengals yesterday, by the way. Why are you still doing that?

Huh? What do you mean, dude? It's almost as if Andy Dalton has resurrected the revenge game that we always talk about. Yeah, it was a redemption-style love fest yesterday on the thing. Hooper's out, by the way. I just saw. No. No.

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No. No. No. No. No. as well, just because it feels like the plus three is where you're supposed to go. It just feels like that's where you're supposed to go. Starting out a pick is very worrisome. I did not know that, actually, when I made that pick. But I don't care. I'm rolling with the dogs.

Baker has never played this well. Public's on the Browns, too. How about that? I hate it even more. I hate it even more. I believe that's what literally led us to this entire conversation. So you and me, AJ, we like the Ravens. That's right.

Good for us. Pat, I got to catch the – I caught the open of the show, and I really appreciate it, and I loved Diggs almost getting emotional laying out his, what, five-step process on what the Steelers need to do. Like, I thought you were getting choked up there between two and three. Hold on. So let me – let's try to run through these. Foxy might get choked here real soon.

Yeah, Foxy is number five. The five pillars of the Steelers being a good football team again. Number five was Evan Fox. Number one was Randy Fickner. Number two was Juju. Number three was Eric Ebron. Number four was get defense healthy. Nothing against defense.

We just need the boys to get back out there. But everything else on the offense we need to get rid of. Did you see – have we talked about Juju dancing on the star yet, you and me? In the Bills? What? I have not. I know you've talked about it. Did you see – I guess – I did not know he was dancing on everybody's fucking logo

at every stadium. That's his thing? I guess that's like his thing. Yeah, it's good for TikTok because the TikTok is lit, dude. Yeah. It is super litty, bro. It's like super litty. But, you know, in my eyes, right, Juju, he has to know that he's stirring the pot by doing this, right?

Like he's being an instigator here, like a pest. Is that on purpose, you think? Or is he just oblivious to it? He's just like, hey, you know what? I love it, dude. It's litty dude i love you know what he is like i guess how old is he 25 maybe 20 he's younger than that 24 i mean he's so young i didn't i never thought that he could be like oblivious to it he's just doing his thing like i always just thought he's trolling people and he does this because he loves to get a reaction he loves to kind of you know mix things

up yeah he's like just turned 24 he yeah he's a pest he's like a pest you know like in in hockey they have those types and i by the way if that's why he's doing all this i think all the people that are bashing him should respect it a little bit more if he's actually doing this to now granted if you lose and things like that it's gonna backfire on you every once in a while but if you get a win and he because he gets some tough yards i feel like any blocks here's the thing on the field he's he's played well recently he's probably been the best player on the offense recently um but you know you just don't want to give the other team any motivation like yeah just don't do it i mean do it after the game i mean josh allen say let them do it all singing and fucking dancing let's just go work here, boys, or whatever. I am surprised this hasn't caused some

shit earlier, though, with Juju on the logo. Just some sort of push from somebody. I'm surprised there hasn't been some sort of shit. It did happen in the game against the Cowboys when he scored the touchdown. He was trying to run to the star, and the guy slapped the ball out of his hand. I like that.

See, that type of bullshit I love. It's just such bullshit. We got nothing to do here. He's dancing on I like that. See, that type of bullshit I love. Like, that's just such bullshit. We got nothing to do here. He's dancing on the goddamn logo. Okay, now we got to go push him because then the hardball situation happens. I mean, it's just, it's a wild scene. And then Ebron interrupting Josh Allen's post-game interview and saying, good football game.

Oh, goddamn. What is going on over there? Pittsburgh Steelers fans are fucking, they're throwing their terrible towels into the washer and dryer and saying, get everything fucking off of this thing that we can possibly get. This needs not happen anymore. Yeah, well, you know, Pat, winning covers up everything.

Covers everything. And they've been winning, so people haven't talked about it. It hasn't become an issue. Oh, you lose a few games, and now all these tiny little things that you'd never think are a big deal become a big deal. Have you guys been on teams that have started off really, really good, you guys hit a little rut and then you were good again probably thank you i rest my case yeah it wasn't a definite though yeah that was just a i didn't need a definite and this is very late in the season i feel like you know what i what I mean? Now, the Indianapolis Colts, I guess the year they won the Super Bowl,

2006, before I was there, I guess they got fucking dog-walked by the Jaguars late in the season, like bad, bad. And they talked about that as being like a moment or whatever. You could see how the Saints could potentially do that with the loss to the Eagles yesterday. Maybe the Steelers do it with a loss to the Bills and the Washington team. Maybe.

But I don't think I've ever been on a team that's been awesome and then all of a sudden we stink and then just being like, oh, no, no, we're back to being good again. How much does a get-right game potentially against the Bengals like the Seahawks had this week against the Jets do for a team? We're completely off the Seahawks being broken, right, because they won by 37 against the sorry-ass Jets, right? Are we off of that?

They got a big game in Washington coming up on Sunday. We'll see. Oh, Ty. Ty, Ty, that? They got a big game in Washington coming up on Sunday. We'll see. Oh, Ty. Ty, that's your starting fantasy football quarterback right there. I told you. I benched his ass. He made me miss the playoffs. He's broken for five weeks and I went 0-5 in that same time frame. But the Steelers against the Bengals. Steelers, Bengals, Steelers

should win that one pretty mightily. They're 13-point favorites, I think. How about Tomlin putting the boys in pads on Friday? Did you hear that? I thought of you. I was watching the open, and they talked about it. I was like, oh, no. I envisioned everyone going, oh, here we go.

Steelers are going to manhandle, and they're going to absolutely dominate this game. Well, I'm happy I didn't hear it, by the way, before, because Friday pads is this late into the season. That must have been one of the most depressed locker rooms of all time. Just walking in there, people throwing their fucking iPads. Got to put on all these pads. And the defense is like, we got to put on pads

because y'all motherfuckers won't run the ball. Okay. So that's probably what Tomlin said, by the way. He was like, hey, D, they need to feel it now too. And Cam Hayward's like, these motherfuckers. Okay. I've been running my head into people. Now we got to do it. It didn't help. I i mean i guess they committed to the run a little bit more they ran

the ball first play but i don't think it helped there's a like during the end of the first quarter beginning the second quarter there were some good running plays but after that it was nothing uh the chiefs can't cover what else is new saints are dead titans look good man titans titans looked very good. I mean, granted, it was against the Jags, but I mean, the Jaguars beat the Colts their first game of the year, but they have been who we thought they were ever since then.

Titans looked very good. Derrick Henry rushes for 200 yards. Yet again, he has two-plus rushing touchdowns. Becomes fourth time in NFL history. Yeah, fourth player in NFL history and also has done it four times Jim Brown only three times Barry Sanders three times with Danny and Tomlinson three times congrats to Derek Henry he looks unbelievable they're heating up again at the

right time Colts dominate the Raiders the Raiders fire their defensive coordinator and the NFC is just wide open yeah the NFC is wide open we thought that was going to be a top heavy uh top heavy uh you get it. Jesus Christ. A top-heavy division, but it is not at all. Now we have no idea who's going to make it, who's not. The Washington football team is probably going to win a playoff game, the way I'm thinking about it. Now this is overreaction Monday, obviously,

but the NFC is one big question mark, AJ. I mean, Washington may win a playoff game if their defense can score two or three touchdowns like they did last week. That's what you're going to have to figure out. But, I mean, I think the Rams are sitting in a beautiful spot. I think they're trending in the right direction maybe. The Saints, I don't know who they are. When does Drew get back? Do we know?

They haven't really. They've been very discreet about that whole thing. But I would assume the sportsbooks are thinking this weekend, it feels like. But the tweets that all the insiders were putting out friday maybe even into saturday and sunday it felt like maybe a few more weeks for drew because they kept laying out all the injuries he had so you could tell by the way they were wording everything they were trying to explain why it's taking so long like a punctured lung and broken ribs and all that shit so that might be another couple weeks and tasem hill

looked like he forgot how to play quarterback after learning how to play quarterback a week ago in the NFL. It was a very interesting day for them. Well, and for the Rams and the Seahawks, who are kind of interchangeable right now at 3-5, would you rather be the 5 so you can play the NFC East instead of being the 3 so you have to play the Buccaneers? Well, the Buccaneers, I don't think we know shit about the Bucs either.

You know what I mean? Like the Buccaneers yesterday, there was a lot of misses. The Vikings obviously missed kicks and things like that. But it's not like the Bucs either. You know what I mean? The Buccaneers yesterday, there was a lot of misses. The Vikings obviously missed kicks and things like that, but it's not like the Bucs are the team that we all thought they were going to be. I don't think so. Dalvin Cook had a hell of a game yesterday. I don't know. The NFC is

interesting. Might be the Pack. We'll see. Gotta play defense though, AJ. Gotta play defense for the Packers, man. I mean, it's crazy to think that that game like wait the Lions can possibly win it like is this game really going to be this close like that was crazy to me at the end but it does

that tends to happen sometimes. Let's go to Lushan and Tara Hote what's going on Lushan? Hey how you doing Pat? Hey not too shabby what do you want to talk about bub? Well first thanks to you and the boys for having me on the show. Big fan of the show. Hey, no problem.

Hey, being an Indiana State University grad, I was the ISU mascot for three years, and I've watched plenty of ISU football and basketball games. I was wondering if there's any way we can get big Bobby Tanyan on the show to show

some ISU some love. Yeah, go Sycamores, by the way. He blocked five people, I think, the other day. What are you holding your hand up? It's funny he says that. I believe he may be on the show soon. Big Bob Tanyan? Bobby Tanyan?

He might be on the show? Tomorrow. He might be. Is that a definite or might be? Definitely. Oh, Big Bob Tanyan! Hey, good question, pal. The guy who was the mascot of Use a Tree for a few years over there in Indiana State.

You will get a chance to hear from Big Bob Tunyon, who blocked five people with one block yesterday, allowed Aaron Rodgers to have 45 seconds in the pocket to complete a hell of a pass there. Big Bob Tunyon's making quite a name for himself in his offense. Also, Tavon Austin got the rock a couple times. That could be a nice little added spark. The Packers, if that defense can get some stops and some points, it could be good.

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