The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 313 - MNF Recap, Aaron Rodgers, Big Bob Tonyan, Charles Robinson, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

On today's show Pat and the boys recap last night's great Monday Night Football game between the Ravens and Browns and why both teams should feel pretty good about last night's performance. Joining Pat and AJ Hawk as he does every Tuesday, is Green Bay Packers Quarterback, Aaron Rodgers to chat about the season thus far, his thoughts on the offense as a whole, and a myriad of subjects in one of the best installments yet (14:39-56:42). Also joining the show is a man who has burst on the scene this year, Green Bay Packers TE, Big Bob Tonyan. Pat and Bob chat about his big season, what it's like playing with Aaron Rodgers, how meditation has helped with his game and what he wants to do in the league, Marcedes Lewis' influence on him, and if Matt LaFleur has asked him to calm down about so he doesn't accidentally knock him out (58:55-1:13:58). Later, Yahoo Sports NFL Insider and friend of the program, Charles Robinson joins the show to chat about where he's been, what he thinks is going to happen with the salary cap going into next year, how many coaching openings he thinks there will be, and why Jim Harbaugh is now a favorite to coach the Lions (1:14:00-1:35:55). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Tuesday, December 15th. Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, December 15th. But it's not just Aaron Rodgers today. No, no. Yeah, we have an incredible conversation with the man. That's probably going to win the MVP. But we also got Big Bob Tunyon. Bobby Tunyon.

Great convo. Awesome. Did not expect that conversation to go the way it went. No, not at all. And also Chuck Robinson of Yahoo. Not a bad little Tuesday. We can't thank you enough for choosing to join us. If you enjoy this show and at the end of it you just get the urge, you know,

go ahead and be a friend and tell a friend about it. Yeah, pretty simple. Hey, you should subscribe to Pat McAfee Show 2.0. Rate and review too. Yeah, go ahead and do that. And if you don't like this show, don't do any of that. No. Don't tell anybody about it.

Just act like it never happened. Don't rate, don't review, don't do anything., don't do any of that. No. Don't tell anybody about it. Just act like it never happened. Don't rate. Don't review. Don't do anything. Keep your head down. Keep moving. Well, or keep your head up. Just know that we probably don't like you either.

Yeah, true. And that's going to happen in this world. That's life. That's life, baby. Hey, that's life, baby. That's life, baby. That really is what it is. I thought there was going to be something incredibly deep there.

There was not. But this conversation touches on some deep stuff. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, December 15th. Let's get to it. Not only is Aaron Rodgers on the show today, can't wait to chat with him in a few hours, but also we got Charles Robinson of Yahoo. He has not tweeted in about six months.

Cannot wait to hear what's been cooking in his world and also of the Green Bay Packers, Big Bob Cunyon. Yeah, Bobby! In about an hour or so to chit-chat about all also of the Green Bay Packers, Big Bob Cunyon. Yes, Bobby! In about an hour or so to chit-chat about all things happening in Green Bay and his emergence into superstardom this year as an Indiana State tight end for the Green Bay Packers, who are currently ranked No. 2 in the NFL power rankings, which we will talk about as the show goes on. And also what we have to chat about is last night,

the most electrifying game of the season thus far. The AFC North showed up on Monday Night Football. The Ravens inevitably win by five, which means they cover due to a hook and ladder rule, also known as a hook and ladder safety at the very end of the game. But nobody's talking about this. Nobody's talking about the fact that if Lamar Jackson spikes the ball with five seconds left on the clock, which is the number you should do because field goals, there's a rule made five years ago, six years ago, seven, whatever it is. In recent history, less than 10 years, you get it. That for every field goal, because the home clock operator used to fucking, you know, kind of fidget a little bit five seconds will be run

off the clock every single time a field goal is kicked at the end of the game so that's why you'll see a lot of teams either call timeout at five seconds or three seconds some coaches do because they still haven't gotten the hint that five seconds is going to run off no matter what quarterbacks spike it at five seconds him spiking it at seven seconds as soon as he did that i go oh shit they're gonna have to kick off now justin Justin Tucker buries that 55 yarder it started fading and drifting a little bit because the wind was crossed but there wasn't a single doubt in anybody's mind but then as soon as you see him kick off it becomes a touchback you know the hook and ladder's coming and for those who hammered the Ravens minus three they knew that there was a chance on one of those throwbacks there's going

to be a pick six possibly they were going to pick up six or maybe they continue to run backwards and get to safety that's what happens Baltimore covers minus three against the Browns in Cleveland in front of what sounded like a packed house and obviously the Browns prove that they're not the same old Brownies I know all of Pittsburgh wants to go ahead and bury them but I think the team that we saw last night out of Cleveland is one missing, Odell Beckham Jr. There's also some other people out. In first year, Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry, his general manager, that was a fucking hell of a ball game,

and they are still very much in the playoff conversation. Good for them. Big win for the Baltimore Ravens, though, because there was a lot of questions around whether or not that team gave a single fuck about themselves. Last year, they were a completely different team than they have been this year. Losing games, not showing up. Harbaugh almost fought an entire squad on the logo at one point. The team was leaking information via Twitter accounts and interviews that seemed as if it was a bit negative. Last night, it looked like last

year's Baltimore Ravens. Now, does that mean Lamar Jackson looked like Lamar Jackson? Yes. But also the defense. McPhee was making plays. Judon was all over the place. The squad seemed to be hyped and enjoy the hell out of themselves. If that Baltimore Ravens team can show up every single week, I think people will worry about the Ravens in the playoffs. The thing about it, though, is the 2020 Ravens have been very dumpy. What's the word?

Fickle. Fickle is the word. We don't know what they're going to do, but if they are the team they were last night, good luck to them going through the playoffs because they might actually get a win this year in the playoffs. That team was awesome to watch. Browns, same goddamn thing.

Shout out to Monday Night Football for being electric. Let's have a Tuesday, December 15th. Diggs, AFC North, Pittsburgh Steelers sucking. Browns and Ravens put on an absolute clinic last night. How do you feel about the game? Well, yeah, I mean, it's not the same old Browns, except for the fact that they still can't beat the Ravens, and Baker threw almost a pick

six, and couldn't stop Lamar. That was in the second half, by the way. He was wearing sandals. So, yeah, besides those things, not the same old Brownies. Lamar comes in, obviously the big moment of the night is when Lamar goes back

because he had a cramp in his arm. A lot of people alluded to the fact that maybe he had to take a shit or two. Maybe he did. Because if you watch him jog, it would be the type of jog that you would have if you had the Bee Gees. You know, a little bit of bubble guts.

And you're in Cleveland, you never know what he could potentially got into the night before. True. But there is a chance that we thought he was taking a shit while he's jogging back there. Turns out, he said, y'all tripping. I definitely wasn't taking a shit. But he had a cramp in his arm, which is interesting.

I don't even know what that means. I don't know how that works. Now, granted, any time I go to throw a ball right now, especially with my age, my shoulder feels like it's ripping out of place and my elbow does. I don't think I've ever gotten a cramp in my arm. They put some IVs on him. He comes out of the cave like Jesus at the two-minute drill or at the two-minute warning for that fourth down, roll right.

Everybody on earth thought he was going to run it, drop the marquee, touchdown. Then J.K. Dobbins runs in two-point conversion, and everybody wanted to talk about Sandejo, the safety for the Browns coming downhill and hitting J.K. Dobbins, who just ran over Sandejo to get a two-point conversion in less than two minutes left in a goddamn game in the AFC North Division, basically on the line

there for second place. I mean, that was a big play, but instead we're talking about the goddamn safety that got run over. A lot of questionable commentary last night, I think we can say that, but I feel like they're, I'm not even going to say, I like them all. I like them all, good people, but the way they display a game is an interesting choice coming and go. I love that game. Good people. But the way they display a game is an interesting choice. Come and go.

I love that game, though, Connor. And with the Ravens getting that big win, basically says Bill Belichick's fucking on that boat that he's with his girlfriend on much earlier than in years past. I mean, we can't go that far yet. Nah, Patriots are dead. Well, think about this. They're not even in the hunt anymore.

The graphic. We made a graphic. They got graphics. Somebody's got graphics. The AFC playoff picture. Sons of bitches aren't even in the hunt anymore. They don't even got a license to hunt. They don't even got a license to hunt.

No tags. No tags. What we have to consider is Minshew Mania coming back for the Jags and going on to beat Lamar Jackson and the Ravens next week. You can't rule that out, Pat. I will because I watched him play in the second half against the Titans last week, and he stunk. That Jackson and Jaguars team is not good at football right now.

They are in full shotgun pool paradise. We got the number two pick. How do we do it? Let's keep it moving. At Ty Schmidt, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. The Green Bay Packers are ranked number two in the NFL power ranking. Congrats, boys. Way to go, Green Bay.

Congrats, boys. I know you guys are out there playing for each other, but you've got to feel good that the people that put together power rankings on TV have you at number two now. We'll ask Aaron and Big Bob Tunyon about that, but I'm excited for today to learn a little bit about Big Bob as well as, obviously, an insightful conversation with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, Tuesdays with Aaron are obviously always great.

Got a game on Saturday this week, which I'm very excited for. Oh, doubleheader Saturday. And they got the old nightcap in the Saturday doubleheader. But, yeah, you're right, because I don't think I've seen big Bubby Tunyon do, like, any media. So I'm very excited to hear what he sounds like. I would assume he's entertaining, by the way. Oh, yeah.

I would assume he's an entertaining guy. Indiana State? Well, tight end. Come on. Big Bob Tunyon. Yep. He had that play where by the way. Oh, yeah. I would assume he's an entertaining guy. Indiana State? Well, tight end. Come on. Big Bob kind of. Yep. He had that play where he knocked, you know, about eight guys down, like bowling pins from this last weekend.

By the way, great leverage on that. Oh, yeah. Great leverage on that. Excited to chat about that. Excited to chat about the playoff picture for everybody. At Viva Lozito. Your poll today. Sorry, Lord Zito.

Thank you. By the way, I did see somebody buy QC5348. What? What do you mean? Yeah, my wife. My wife, yeah. No. Plot's gone.

Might be her neighbor, but seems like it's probably the same one. Yeah, I think it's a neighbor. I think it's a half. Yeah. Half after. Probably a neighbor, yeah. Do I call her Lord Samantha? I think it's Lady Sam.

Lady. Lady Sam. Lords and ladies. Lord and ladies. I think it's Lady Sam. Lady. Lady Sam. Lord and Lady. Lord Zito and Lady Sam. Okay, I would try to get one then. I guess if we catch this. Lord Pats. I don't like it.

I don't like it. Maybe just Lord Zito. But your poll today is one that I think is going to be intriguing because here we are pretty late in the season. And I feel like there's still a lot of question marks whenever it comes to who's going to win this whole goddamn thing, aside from the it comes to who's going to win this whole goddamn thing. Aside from the Chiefs. Who's going to win this whole goddamn thing?

Yeah, so basically what you just said. Oh, by the way, I just said goddamn. I apologize. I got a tweet from a guy. Told me to the people that are super religious. Goddamn is like the N-word to them. Excuse me? Yeah.

So I apologize, but it ain't going to goddamn slow it down. I'd say it just flows right out. And I feel like you're a bit self-righteous, by the way, saying that that is similar. No. Oh, no, Joel Osteen, 4.4 million, PPP. How about that? God bless him. But that goddamn church didn't deserve that.

No. I will slow it down, by the way. Perhaps. Who's most likely to win the Super Bowl in your eyes? We had Saints, 3.1%. Bills, 8.1%. Packers, 25.5%. And Chiefs, 63.3%.

A lot of people were mad that no Steelers were on there. Well, Pittsburgh Steelers need to win a game. They need to get back in the winning side of things. Although they do have double-digit victories already, and they are in the lead, the AFC North. And the AFC North, by the way, is good football. We saw that last night. But, boy boy it seems like everything around the steelers right now is negative yeah evan fox everything not just having fox and his stupid fanhood but

your diehard fanhood sorry about that but also juju smith schuster it is that whole dancing on the logo thing and then eric ebron thing and then ben roethlisberger's like i can't play football anymore man i'm hurting i mean it is they had three games in 12 days so we gotta let fatigue kind of settle in a little bit maybe they're a little bit tired let the boys hit the hay for a little bit maybe get a day or two rest but it feels like the steelers have kind of uh tick tock their way out of that conversation of who's gonna win a super bowl and that is a shame i will say that we were maybe their number one fans for a long time. Yeah, as of right now, I mean, if you are a Steelers fan, you cannot look yourself in the mirror and think that if they're playing this way

that they have any fucking chance. And by the way, the TikToks little juju army, go fuck yourselves, okay? They coming after you? Yeah. Oh, I love that they're potentially chopping their feet on 10 Diggs' brain. Are you in a battle right now? Are you entrenched in war right now? Yeah, with a bunch of 15-year-olds who have no idea what life is.

The juju beast. Hey, I'll tell you what. It's other cold? Wait until you get to the real world. You do not want any pieces of that. No more participation. You don't want the juju army. No, no, no.

No way, dude. We're pretty pumped up. The juju Army is on our side, by the way. But that guy right there is the enemy, if you're watching. I never said that's the reason why they lost. That guy. He's the enemy, Juju Army. What's up, Nick? That guy is, too.

Nick Loda. That guy is the enemy. You haven't said anything. No. What I want to say is you're already dancing on the grave. Wait until next Monday night. You'll see what a real AFC North battle is. Steelers and Bungles.

Let's go, baby. I cannot believe that is the Week 15 Monday Night Football matchup. It's going to be game of the year. It's supposed to be Joey B. Yeah, but that just tells me a lot about, you know, I assume Monday Night Football has their contract for another couple years because normally whenever you negotiate with the NFL and you give them a bunch of money,

you get a bunch of good games. For them to have the Steelers versus the Bengals week 15 Monday Night Football, you would think that there's potentially some other opportunities in there. I can tell you what the Steelers don't need right now and it's another fucking primetime game. We need a buried one o'clock game

where no one's watching. By the way, if Zach Taylor, who has never been able to figure out how to win a game in the NFL, if he beats the Steelers, oh my god. Foxy might have to burn his jersey. Monday night is not what we need. Diggs, Diggs, it's

bad day. Bad day. That's why the Juju Army's coming after you, by the way, because you don't believe. By the way, those dances, we don't do the TikTok here, but we saw Juju this morning. He was on Good Morning Football. He did the scepter thing dance. Are they all the same?

Did he do the same dance he did on the Buffalo Bills logo? Is that the same one he did on the Cowboys logo? I think that was a logo dance, and that was a scepter dance. Okay, so they are two. Do you have TikTok? No, but I've seen it, and I know what's going on. 1-888-623-3646. Last night's game was incredible.

It was awesome to watch. Final two minutes. What were the stats in that thing? We have a stat pulled up for it. Final two minutes, there was 20 points scored or something like that in the final two minutes. I forget the total. 47-42. It's a score that got me the first minutes. I forget the total. 47-42.

It's a score agami. The first time that score has ever happened. Congratulations. Yeah, most points in the final two minutes since 2013 Ravens-Vikings game with 20. It's the highest scoring game of the season and third highest Monday Night Football 89. Chiefs-Rams.

What was that, two years ago? That was whenever the Rams were humming. That was the first year. It was in Los Angeles. We were there. Foxy and I were there for that game. Pretty cool. First game. Pretty cool. First game to end on a safety since 2016. That obviously fucked

a lot of people over. And the first game in NFL history, 47-42. What a Monday Night Football game. That's what you're... Hey, that's what we need. That's why we watch the're... Hey, that's what we need, by the way. Yes, that's why we watch the game. Yeah, that's what we need. We need those because Sunday was a lot of bad football. You know what I mean? There were some blowouts. There were some

backdoor covering that came out of nowhere. I mean, not that it didn't last night, but last night was a great performance of football by the NFL, and I'm very thankful for it. Remember the week before when it was all bad matchups, but all the games were incredible? And then this week, it was all bad matchups, but like all the games were incredible? And then this week it was like seven matchups of playoff teams and all the games stunk.

So maybe we just need like bad matchups again. Well, good news. Pittsburgh Bengals next Monday night. That'll be a conversation. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, a college football champion and a Super Bowl champion, A.J. Ha. Yeah!

Hey boy, A.J., we're in your Arnold Classic, you know, the weightlifting competition that happens in Columbus. How you doing, pal? How is this gorgeous Tuesday going for you over there in Columbus, Ohio? Going well. I got to pick up some of the show. I saw a little bit of Bob Tunyon. He was great, man. You enjoy him?

I do love Bob. You know, the thought of the meditation in the yoga in the manifesting of things i really enjoy that i like whenever people are will open up and talk about that by the way because i think a lot of greats do that normally it's not talked about and i think younger people who are striving for greatness should know what greats are doing and i think the manifesting and the meditating and all that shit i think it's really good for you i think it's a good thing to do yeah it seems to be i mean tonyan seemed kind of how he laid it out what he has like a goal board he thinks about that stuff every single

day and he always reevaluates it yeah he didn't show it to us though i mean i tried my best to be like hey can we take a little peek see we take a little peek see what's next you know he said he had five touchdowns he wanted to score this year. He had that in the first, like, six weeks or whatever, so he had to readjust it. The man that was throwing him touchdowns is a man who is on fire right now. If he doesn't win the MVP this year, it would be a goddamn shame. Ladies and gentlemen, quarterback for the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Ruff. Yeah! Hey, I appreciate you wearing that, man.

Mason Crosby, by the way, great for the brand. Hey, I appreciate you wearing that, man. Mason Crosby, by the way, great for the brand. That 57-yarder, any doubt at all whenever he walked off the field and Mason was jogging out there with his beautiful gray hair? Definitely not at 52. Then we had a little fart. Moved back to 57. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. The great behind-the-scenes story was, you know, I was standing on the sidelines.

I saw the false start. I'm like, shit. And I hear somebody yell, punt. Oh. But I guess the old gray hair said, no, no, no, no, no. I got this. That's awesome. And right when he kicked it, I knew it was in.

You know, kickers, I think, pretty much always know. So a lot of times you watch the kick and then you go right back to the kicker. And I look back at Mace and I could tell it was going in. I'll tell you what, if you are waving off the punt team like your goddamn you, like Aaron Rodgers, like the quarterback would do, you have to make that kick. And that's what Mason's done for like 50 years at this point. He's unbelievable.

Did Tanyan not tell you that he was jogging out to the numbers and had to go back? No. Tanyan actually told us about manifesting and meditating and this whole thing. It was really cool to listen to. He gave a lot of credit to you for making him believe that he can be great in that whole thing. He's really cool to listen to. He gave a lot of credit to you for, you know, making him believe that he can be great in that whole thing.

He's been awesome to watch for you guys as well. Good interview. Good interview. He's in yoga right now. He's in yoga right now. Big Bob doing yoga right now, huh? Yeah, power pose, dude. You know what I mean?

Fucking warrior, dude. You know what I'm saying? That's not a pose. You do yoga? Yeah, I enjoy yoga. Daily? I got a sick warrior too, bro. I don't know what that is.

Is that what I just did right there? My chatarunga is pretty solid. We're closing up the season now. Let's get into this thing. Oh, no, no, no. I feel like it's just beginning, my friend. Okay. All right.

So I was going to ask, what is the mindset? Because the offense feels like you guys are hitting on all cylinders right now still. When I told you I think first week, maybe second week, I said, Aaron, you're playing fucking great football right now. And you're like, not so fast. We don't really know anything about ourselves. We're at the point now where you have to know, you have to be very thrilled about where that offense is at right now yeah we're playing great football now we can say

we're 14 weeks in 13 games and a bye so yeah now we can say it we're having you know a lot of success on offense i think we're number two in yards not sure where we're at in points per game. We're number two in third down percentage. Number one now in red zone. Congrats. Gold zone. Gold zone. We have a gold zone. Shout out Tom Fanning.

We've never been over 70% in the gold zone during my time at Green Bay. No Green Bay team since 2000. I think it's been over 70%. And we're at 77 right now, which is pretty good. No big deal. Touchdown percentage.

Obviously, for people who don't know what the stat is, get back in the frame. Yeah, I was getting my thing. I got to get a little juice. You know, AJ's going to ask me a great question. Yeah, you got a beer? So it's funny you say that. So this is a green tea that I drink. When I went down to the WWE, I forget, maybe like two months ago,

the first time I went down there, I was walking around with one of these, and the rumors just spread right through the WWE. Like, I walked down there and just was hammering beers. McAfee's just walking around hammering beers down here. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

Like, I got a text from Elias, who's up on WWE main roster. I was like, were you just drinking beers down there while you were walking around? Like, it's green tea. Okay, have a little respect. Your reputation precedes you.

Yeah, I know. Tough trying to change it, okay? You work hard for that. That's good. Well, I did in the past. Now I'm just an old man. AJ, what do you got? Hey, why do you think you're having so much success in the red zone or the gold zone this year compared to other years?

Probably because we're big fans of Goldmember. You know, I mentioned it last week. We're still shouting out Mike Myers. We'd love to get him in. I was told after I relayed that I'd talked about it on this amazing show about Mike Myers that he might have to have some COVID tests to be let in the building. So I might need to call on the NFL for some special exemptions

for him if we get him masked up in a gold mask and the whole outfit I feel like there's no excuses why he couldn't be in there I'm sure he's a beacon of health, we can get him in the building get him on some roller skates

just let him go fucking crazy laughter laughter could you imagine him roller skating from the facility to practice on some roller skates, just let him go fucking crazy. Could you imagine him roller skating from the facility to practice while you guys are driving by with Tanyan told us that there's just people in trunks and shit like that, and you got Mike Myers just skating down

his gold member. Oh, man. That's what I want to see right there. Besides the vanquish, that's what I want for Christmas. That's my number two. How has that whole conversation with Bakhtiari gone? saw you guys celebrate this past weekend by the way uh big bob tunyon was left to celebrate by himself while you and bakhtiari gave a little headbutt to each other so i see the relationship between you and bakhtiari is growing that's great news we're hanging in there by a thread i mean by a thread. You know, I feel like every time

there's an interview opportunity, this guy's trying to slam me. And it hurts. It really hurts. Here I am, just singing his praises. All I'm asking for is a tiny automobile. Tiny. That's it. It's only a quarter of a million.

He just feels like, well, who cares? Price is not an object when there's friends involved, right? Right. Right, man. I just feel like, you know, maybe he's just doing it for show. Maybe he's celebrating with me just for show on TV. Oh, my God. Knowing the camera's going to be on me.

And what was our relationship for all these years? Fake. He would run down just to find me after every touchdown pass. Touchdown run, what does he do? He forgets about me. He goes to the back. Oh, because he knows. Touchdown pass, right to me.

And he hangs on me for, I mean, agonizing seconds. Yeah, you want to celebrate with other people. This connection that we had, this friendship. Now maybe it's about the the airtime you know you would never expect that but it did get him to yeah you would oh you would this is a guy who woke up on third base and felt like he had a triple shout out to talky tory dude shout out to him. You do have the camera on you at all times. I mean, it is.

It's wild. And before the game, I saw you throwing up the west side. What California bro were you doing that to? Was that on another team or on your own team? No, that was to Cephas, man. This is for Wisconsin, you know. It used to be back in the 90s. It was for, you know, west side when you're listening to some Tupac or something.

But, no, it's for Wisconsin, man. Sometimes they do it with this and the other hand putting together. But I think that looks too much like loser turned up at a 45-degree angle. So I really like the old school. So I was just shouting him out, man. He went to Wisconsin, and I enjoyed watching him play when he was there. And it's given me some love. Got a chance to talk to him after the game as well.

Hey, I know you went to Cal after you transferred in from what, Butte? Butte Community College, is that correct? I have a lot of respect. Yeah, that's a rhetorical statement there, yes. You know that. So you transferred to Cal from there. If you didn't go to Cal, was there any other school out there that you wanted to play for? Yeah, anybody who would take me,

who actually played some decent opponents. No offense. Now I can say whatever I want. I felt like at the time I was not quite a D3 athlete. I got a lot of interest from Claremont McKenna, Occidental, Lewis and Clark. Hey, they get hot though. Lewis and Clark team gets hot. They snoop around and they find some shit.

Yeah. Yeah, they do. Brett Elliott was a quarterback there. Set some records. He threw for like 70,000 touchdowns one year or something. Crazy. My boy Tim would appreciate the shout out, which I'm not going to give him, even though I mentioned his name.

Yeah, no offense. But, yeah, it felt like even teams like UC Davis just down the road showed zero interest. San Diego State showed a little bit of interest before their staff got let go. But, yeah, if there was a walk-on opportunity to a school that, you know, 1AA, 2, even Division II, I definitely would have taken it. There was some throwback to you in the newspaper. You're 21 years old.

So you went to community college for one year, two years, and then did you leave early from Cal? I did, yeah. Two great semesters at JUCO. It cost $11 a unit to go to school at Butte nice it took 33 credits so a quick math tabulation yeah not a whole lot of money cost my parents to go to college and then went to yeah I went to Cal for three semesters.

People were like, why don't you go back and finish? I'm like, I went to college for five semesters out of eight. I'm like, there's a lot left. And Cal doesn't like it if you do classes outside of the – you've got to do your five core classes on campus in Berkeley. That's what I was told my first year out because I was like, oh, I'm a backup. I should probably do some classes. They said, yeah, when are you going to come live on campus in Berkeley. That's what I was told my first year out. Cause I was like, Oh, my backup, I just probably, you know, do some classes. They said, uh, yeah. Uh, when are you going to come live on campus and, and, uh, take your, take your classes here? I said, uh, never.

I've always thought this Aaron, whenever they give people shit for leaving early and not going and getting their degree, your degree will always be there. And are we not going to college to make a shit ton of money? Like, isn't that what you go to college for is to find your career? If you can make money doing something, like, I feel like you should go do that. Now, granted, if you're a seventh rounder or a sixth round projection and maybe another year can get you going. But anytime that conversation pops up with somebody who's a top two round or top three round even, and they're like, he should go back for his education. I'm like, fuck that. Go get your money, dude.

Who knows what's going to happen? That's how I feel. I'm not putting words in in your mouth but since you left after five semesters i think you probably agree with me like you you should go and get the degree will always be there 100 okay good i'm happy i mean i think i think i don't want to i don't want to get down the path of what i have my feelings about college in general but i'll just say that oh we can because i get the same feelings biggest racket i've ever seen in my entire life. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to refute that. A lot of people come out of there with a lot of debt.

I think that people rip on, like AJ, these yuppies. Like AJ liked to rip on community colleges or trade schools. There's a great school up here just down the road called NWTC. And you got, you know, you're teaching kids real life skills. And I don't think college should have to be for everybody. I'm not going to go on a rant here. This is too long. You saw how, hey, did you see how Foxy isolated you two there, by the way?

Yeah, that was good there. Everything was just kind of sneaking in here. I was like, no, I don't want to go there right now. Talk about the debt that people accrue to have to get out of college and not make a decent job. They've got to pay off their debt for the next 10 or 15 years. 30. I think my quarterback coach told me I should come back for another year

after my junior year, and I said, no, I think I'm going to go pro. Hey, by the way, your quarterback coach on draft night, when Alex Smith was taken and you were kind of falling, he was like, I fucking told him. I fucking told him. He was like celebrating that whole thing. Yeah, he was texting me the old middle finger emoji on the flip phone. D9 that thing.

What do you got, AJ? Hey, so you have all these things floating around in your head that I know that you like to research and everything. A, are you going to write a book someday and put all this in there? And my second part of this question, since you already started talking about college and everything i'd like your opinion on like what do you think of the vaccine what company has the best one what about politics did trump really win did he lose what are we doing like where are you with everything hey hey foxy fox. Just go right in there. Go right in there. Oh, man.

Look, all I'm going to say, controversial today, is how can college football not get it together and realize that four teams is not enough? Oh, my God. Five years to do an extended playoff. I mean, you know, they're trying to squeeze out Ohio State. They definitely don't want any Pac-12 school in there. No way. We do have an undefeated team led by, you know, on offense,

one of our dear friends, the tiny ceramic head collector, Graham Harrell. Oh, so those are ceramic heads. Okay, because A.J. was telling us there were actual skulls yesterday that Graham Harrell collected. Oh, they might be at this point. I don't know. He's gone out the deep end, I'm sure, many times over.

But how they don't have a playoff is beyond me. It is absolutely beyond me. And, you know, it seems like Coastal Carolina, right? It's undefeated also. No chance they'll put them over you know it'd be probably three last team over them just because these you know how about cincinnati cincinnati's got some real athletes too undefeated they've been they've been like a team that they got no they got no no shot why not why do you think it's just the bureaucracy of things like things are so

slow moving because you saw the way byu in coastal carolina were able to make that game on a thursday for saturday like boom boom we'll figure out the business later let's make this happen why do you think that they want it because i want there was a 16 team playoff that uh at college football playoff edits i think is the account they put this thing together and once you see it in like the way it would look and the way it would play out it's like this is the answer like how come we can't do that why do you think things take so long like it why would that never we all know it's not possible but we all like it why is that even something that happens bureaucracy and ncaa i mean you want to talk about a racket they're right down the road here.

I don't think they pay their bills either. I don't think. I don't understand it. I mean, if it's really all about making money, which they've proven over and over it is, like why would you not want to maximize it with a multi-team, you know, multi-round bracket, you know, 8, 16, 32. Like, maybe more than 32 would probably be a little too tough,

but 8 or 16, come on. It'd be easy. Let's get back to some NFL talk. Did you watch that game last night? It was electrifying. No, I didn't. I was sleeping. Lamar Jackson either took a shit or had a cramp in the middle of the game,

and he came back at the two-minute warning. First play back, fourth and five, throws a a touchdown have you ever gotten cramps or anything do you do IVs at halftime or anything like that I've never we've never never done IVs in Green Bay I've never seen them administered AJ probably be a better guy to ask about that because with that old skinny's guy he was cramping up all the time um but uh no never never got an iv uh never had to take a dump either during the game i've peed definitely in that little uh tent i'm sure aj because they you know the worst bladder he's peeing right now active bladder of all time is that guy you know over here on my right oh wait, no. This guy right here has got no bladder control.

Yeah. He's probably peed in that little black tent so many times on the sidelines. But no, I did see that people were accusing him of taking a dump, and I think he cleared that up, didn't he? Yeah, he said he wasn't taking a shit. Everybody needs to relax. Good. Good win for Baltimore. Great win. Great game, too. I can't taking shit. Everybody needs to relax. Good. Good win for Baltimore.

Great win. Great game, too. I can't believe you missed it. I know, Granny, you were sleeping because you're a professional athlete. High or whatever. But it was awesome all the way into the end. And then the batters got completely fucked at the end. It was awesome.

I mean, it was a great win. Yeah, I saw there was some sort of safety at the end that flipped millions of dollars. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of them. I'm sure nobody cares about that, huh? What did you have? Did you have – I know you had something on the game. It helped me out.

It helped me out. Oh, so no complaints. Yeah, me and A.J. both took – What's that? Minus three? Yeah. Did you have minus three or three and a half? Yeah, we had a minus three. A.J. and I both took the – What's that? Minus three? Yeah. You had minus three or three and a half? We had a minus three.

AJ and I both said Ravens yesterday in the show very loudly. But on our gambling podcast last week, I picked the Browns. So it depended on which show you listened to. I had both teams. And if they win by three there, both of them don't win. So that's what happened. And then when the safety happens, AJ and I celebrate real hard. We're like, yeah, we said it was going to happen or whatever. But happen or whatever but it was wild it was a while yeah just brush that other podcast

aside never happened exactly hey jake yeah so pat i know it surprises you so aaron we talk about a lot how pat says tourdoll is the greatest thing ever i know green bay they never never administered ivs as well i got an iv one time when i was deathly sick right before a game. All it did was make me piss like nine times during warm-ups and at halftime in the tent during the game. It was fine. I know Aaron's unable to get it because I can't find a way to brush enough hair away to find a vein right there

in his forearm. Usually. That's what Doc told me at least. You're a hairy guy. Is that what it is? Sorry, was there a question in there? No. Hey, your hair is looking awesome though are we going scott stapp are we going back the whole thing because it is growing i mean it's working let's keep that thing going i might go mullet by the way i haven't got my haircut normally i was getting my haircut every single week i'm thinking going mullet i think now is the time i think yeah but you know what you're you're so image conscious now you know you got to be on your wrestling show as well.

You're on TV every day. I feel like one of your boys can pull that off. Maybe not Ty, but I feel like you have really kind of – let me see. You haven't sold out. You're not that kind of guy, but you're definitely really concerned with your image. You're wearing glasses today.

It's because I was so high earlier. i mean image conscious is an interesting way to describe a guy that goes sleeveless every single goddamn day i get yelled at by the olds by the way that i don't take this thing professional enough and i don't dress up enough but i'm in the middle of putting on some pounds i'm in fluffing season right now bub i'm'm up 20 in the last, like, seven days at this point. It's bad. Yeah, you're a fluffer now? Oh, easy. All right, take it easy.

Whoa, whoa. What I'm saying is it's fluffing season. Oh, you're a little fluffy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't fluffing anything. Yeah, but I am growing it out. I will say that a lot of inspiration re-watching that halftime show that Creed put on. Just seeing the locks.

And then he did an interview with my buddy Kyle Brand, who does Good Morning Football. I know he's a fan of the show as well. We're big fans. Yes, he's a great dude. So yeah, definitely as an ode to Scott Stapp, for sure. Yeah, definitely as an ode to Scott Stapp, for sure. You know, when I first met AJ, when he was, again, less worried about how he looks in public and stuff.

You know, he did have long hair as well, as an ode to a mutual hero of ours, Pat Tillman. Oh, okay. I thought we were going to say Bobby Carpenter. But Pat Tillman, actually. Bob Carpenter is not. Rest in peace, by the way, Pat Tillman actually is not rest in peace. By the way, Pat Tillman,

we appreciate you. Um, Milwaukee bucks just signed the law largest NBA deal in history to the Greek freak. You are part owner of squad. Uh, how much money comes out of your pocket? Are we going to lose this house potentially?

Cause you got to pay the Greek freak. Uh, there hasn't been a capital call as of yet the ink is still wet so not sure if there will be any type of money needed it's a big signing for us pretty ecstatic, I guess he is as well I would assume, this is just a conjecture

I know that he was interested in what the roster kind of turnover is going to be. Made some moves in the offseason. Brought in some players. I guess he's happy with them so far. We still have the pieces, a couple important pieces from our run last year that got interrupted by COVID after, you know, we were the number one team in the league and on a big-time roll. Who cares?

Hopefully, you know, we can keep rolling for the next five years. We got the man back, and he's still, you know, he's still, what, 25? Yeah, he's only learning basketball still, too, somehow it feels like. Every time you watch him, he's picking up some new... How does that work? So they just come to you and they say, hey, do you want to be a part owner of a goddamn NBA team? Because they did it to usher whenever the Cavaliers were popping off.

Patrick Mahomes just got a piece of the Royals. I don't understand how those conversations happen. And then what do you just get? You get courtside seats, and then you can just bring friends? How does that relationship start? And how many of these types of things are you a part of? I'm a part of this. That's about the only ownership I have in sports teams.

I am interested in some other leagues and have had some conversations with some folks. But, no, I got to know uh mark lasry and west edens over the years going to games there have been conversations from reps of mine with them trying to get some sort of deal done my opinion uh it was uh not what i wanted i just wanted to be a part of it you know i didn't want, you know, Shaq has an agreement with the Kings where a lot of it was based on appearances and the number of times you go to games and, you know, yada, yada, yada.

I just wanted to be a part of it and get in because I felt like it was a good connection to the region, thinking I was going to be here for a long, long time. And also I love basketball, love the vision that Mark and Wes have and the excitement around the team. And finally, after years, I basically just said, to hell with this. I don't need other people talking for me. I picked up the phone.

I called Wes Edens and had a conversation. And about a week later, I was a minority owner. Enough with the lawyers, all right? i want a piece of the team i would like to come to some games how do we make this what a move i love your life dude i love your life what leagues are we getting into mls you can own a team in the mls i think the mls is an interesting proposition for sure i think you know i think the popularity of the sport worldwide and the fact that they're going to continue to expand the amount of teams they've got,

I think it's an interesting proposition. And America's about to win a World Cup too. We're about to win a World Cup, Aaron. I don't know if you know that or not. We're about to win the whole thing. I don't know if I see that. I do. 2026. Yeah, probably the next one. that or not we were about to win the whole thing i don't know if i see that yeah well i do i do 2026 yeah probably the next one is that the young guns are coming through is that the next one no

we got 2022 it'll be the one after that okay that's our footy guy our soccer guy he's wrong 2022 we're wearing we're wearing the goddamn world cup sorry aj what do you got you mentioned giannis and him having like checking out like roster control what would that be like to have like you know nba players if you're the superstar of the team they have so much power over what goes on like can you imagine having that much power being you like the position you're in would you want it too yeah yeah can i imagine? Hell yeah. Sounds pretty cool. You know, I think there is a lot of power given to those guys. I mean, LeBron obviously has had an impact on his... You know, it's different when you have 15-man rosters compared to 53-man rosters, I'm sure.

You know, I think for me it's always been about tenure and about vision and about what's it all about. And so the tenure, the years, I feel like that's how you earn the respect to be even included in conversations. The focus or the vision, you know, what would you do with the responsibility? Kind of what are you all about? For me, it's been about winning. You know, I just care about winning. I've accomplished everything I want to accomplish individually. Like I want to win more Super Bowls.

That's my focus. That's my vision every single year so uh to me that's what it would be all about you know to be involved in those conversations now that's just not the case in green bay and so you know that that kind of is what it is my focus has always been like on winning football i've been around the game for a long time i feel like as far as talent evaluation i feel like i can do that i know i know if a guy can play or if he can't play um and then also you know as players we see the other side we see the locker room we see the off the field stuff we see the motivation um you know i think i think a lot of times in general

coaches you know believe in kind of what they see and what they can kind of get out of a guy and personnel people believe in potential and that's the way most decisions i think get made across the league you know potential for personnel and then the coaches say, look, this guy can play or this guy can't play based on what I see right now. You know what they say, potential gets you fired. That's like literally a quote from coaches everywhere. It's like potential gets you fired, potential gets you fired. That's probably because coaches have been blaming personnel departments for their entire

existence for why they failed. That makes more sense now that you just laid that out there. So thank you for that. Whenever you said your focus is on winning Super Bowls, do you get pissed off about the Super Bowl conversation whenever they start talking about goats and goats and goats and it always revolves back to Super Bowls when everybody on earth who knows football knows that a quarterback

just can't walk onto a field and win a Super Bowl by himself? Pat, I don't spend a lot of time in those conversations in general. I'm not calling up AJ and being like, hey, so let's talk about guys who won a lot of Super Bowls. Let's talk about, what do you think about this guy? He's won two. I don't have those conversations. I don't think twice about it.

I think when you're talking about best players, I've already said on this show, I think when you're talking about best players, I've already said on this show, there's way too many people labeled the GOAT, or this guy's the GOAT of this, this guy's the GOAT of that. It used to be greatest of all time is one person. But now, because there's way too many GOATs, I think you have to break it out into specific categories.

Best winner of all time, person who's won the most championships. Best player, which involves talent and ability and what you did with it. Most talented player. That'd probably be you. Best thrower of the football. That's probably you. There's all these different ways you can break that out but when it comes to those like you know maybe not with aj but with most people i'm probably in that conversation

yeah hey speaking of other people judging things congrats to you guys number two in the nfl power rankings number two do we have that graphic what does that get us two, man. You guys were previously a little bit lower. Okay, you get a big win over the Lions. Look at you. They even used your picture of smiling because they were so pumped. Look at you moved up to number two. Great dinner behind the can. See you, Chiefs.

Blah, blah, blah. Congratulations on week 14. Really excited. Thank you so much, ESPN. Using my face because you thought that would get the most clicks. Oh! I like that. We do it, too.

It works, by the way. Conform, huh? Well, no, it's because your face just does. That's why every football game that you're on, they just zoom in right on your face. It's a lovable face, Aaron. I'm going to let you know. And we just zoom in right on your face. It's a lovable face, Aaron. I'm going to let you know. And we had a caller on earlier from Minnesota said, thought you were in a complete

dickhead or something like that before this year. Now he loves you. It's kind of tough. All your enemies are becoming friends or fans now. It's going to be an interesting time for you these next couple of years, because at the end of that game against the Lions, I think I saw 10 players around you. And then obviously the mic'd up situation with Houston after the Colts game where you're like, hey, man, I'll get you a jersey. Seven people have asked me for a jersey, though. That has to get a bit – does it get exhausting at the end of this? You have fans.

Everybody's a fan of Aaron Rodgers at this point. No, I love it. I mean, that's what it's all about. It's about the mutual respect with the guys after the game. I played against Matt so many times. Who knows what's going to happen next year? This might be the last time we play against each other um you know i'd love i love this interaction i've known chase for a long time you know he's been a backup in the league for a long time uh ap still in my opinion the greatest running back of our era um you know a ton of

respect and then seeing you know there's some of the younger guys that I don't know as well and the respect, I appreciate that. Jamie Collins, you played against him a couple times now and watched him play for a long time. He's had a really good career. I love those conversations. And I will say this. I haven't said this to a couple of coach friends, but something happened for the first time in 16 years on Sunday. I went into the opposing team's locker room. I'd never done that before. I guess it just, you know, usually media or whatnot and the way that locker rooms are laid out,

especially not in Lambeau, you know, you get over to the opposing team's locker room, it's just, you know, you got to kind of go out, go left, go down the hall, go up the elevator, you know, it's kind of a hike. But in Detroit, it's right next to you. So AP actually came in and we did a jersey swap. So I wasn't ready. So I took my jersey in there into Detroit's locker room and got to see. Maddie was still in there and Chase and AP and Marvin.

So that was fun. It was fun to, you know, there's only like six or seven guys in there. But it was cool to see those guys for, you know, there's only like six or seven guys in there, but it was cool to see those guys for a minute outside of the field where there's no microphones and no cameras and stuff to just be able to shoot this shit for a few minutes with those guys. It was fun. Did you tell Marvin he got fucked on that catch? That was a hell of a catch.

Yeah, what? You know, just a classic Cal guy, just making plays. That's funny. Hey, did you shower in there with the lions? By the way, AJ, he has not answered a lot of your questions. Now I'm learning. Just tell APA. No hot water.

Is it Arnold Classic? Yeah, it's about lifting weights. You don't know much about that. Oh! Yeah. Warrior II, though. Yeah, Warrior II, bro. Ty, what do you got?

Working on my yoga. Amen. Aaron, I've always been curious, because I don't think you did your rookie year, and you have every year since then. At what point were you like, you know what? I love the cloth chin strap. Is it more comfortable, convenient, or are you just kind of trying to what point were you like, you know what, I love the cloth chin strap? Is it more comfortable, convenient,

or are you just kind of trying to show the young guns like, hey, I'm still one of the grittiest, toughest sons of bitches there is because I'm wearing the cloth still. And pancake cutting. Yeah, obviously. With that thing. Definitely pancake cutting. Yeah, I had the high hookups.

They just put them on there. I think they thought that that's what I would want. But they're a little irritating, especially if you're going to have your helmet on the sidelines as a backup for a long time. I just realized how cool it was to just put it on the same side when I wanted to wear it on the sidelines. So I started rocking it.

It was three years. I didn't wear a mouthpiece. I didn't play other than the preseason. But I didn't wear a mouthpiece. I didn't play other than the preseason, but didn't wear a mouthpiece, single strap, and never taped my ankles. And I was like, and a lot of it was because Farvey did it. I was like, well, if he doesn't do it, then I don't have to do it. He's played 336 straight games.

Must not make a difference, right? And I just, you know, I loved it. I mean, you really don't, people are like, weren't you worried about breaking your jaw or whatever? I'm like, hardly ever, and definitely not in this NFL anymore you don't take shots in the in the head really like you just don't and I don't think that's ever you know been an issue for me my ankles you know I don't have a problem you know rolling those I've rolled them a number of times they don't swell they don't bother me I feel like i you know got a nice and strong but yeah to answer your question like now it's a part of my uh part of my outfit you know it's part of

my uniform there's been you know a couple people one college kid took a shot of my swag oh yeah we know we know we don't like that a lot of people understand what swag is you know some of the younger generation thinks you know swag is just like the clothes i wear whatever no no no a swag is a mentality swag is a mindset i try to tell this to some of the guys in the locker room this week i said swagger which is what swag comes from swagger is a mindset swagger isn't that you have a Supreme backpack on. Or that you have your shoes, you know, unlaced walking around with, you know, you got your new Louis fanny pack that you make sure it's not worn at your waist. It's worn over your shoulder.

That's not swag. That's not swagger. That's not swag. That's not swagger. That's fashion choices. True swag is owning your inner essence. It's a mindset. And my essence on the field is that I feel like I'm a throwback player and I'm a tough guy. What I've played through, how I wear my stuff, I'm kind of a. What I've played through, how I wear my stuff, you know,

I'm kind of a no-nonsense straight forward. To me, that's what swag is all about. You're damn right. All this fake swag out there.

I got my special towel. I got this. I got that. I got this writing out there. A lot of you guys are just posers. There's a particular Mormon that just heard that message.

No, I love that kid though. I do love that kid. I think he's a, he's a good kid and good player. I don't, he actually gave him some pride. He just kind of ripped on my swag. I think he was talking about the fact that I'm older and may not be, and like to rock sweats on my, on my road trips. But I get that, you know, if you're talking about like like, fashion sense, I'm not going to, you know. Every now and then you see me, some pictures of me at the ESPYs or the honors, I bring it. But, you know, look, if I'm walking to the plane now,

especially with these Cobra rules, I'm rocking sweats. I'm wearing a sweatshirt. You know what I mean? I don't care. I'm not trying to impress any of my teammates. Can I talk to you about you being an old-school throwback quarterback, though? Yeah, let's do it. Put that rush yards thing up there though yeah let's do it put that rush yards thing up there shall we can we put that rush yards thing up there do you know you're number 12 all time in green bay packers history rushing with over 3,222 yards at this point that's insane dude that and you had another one this weekend by the way

you got out a little six yard skirt skirt and. 30 tuggers, bro. I just passed Tobin Rowe. No big deal. You did a nice knee drive slowdown, too, at the end of that thing. I love whenever you get loose, dude. The sneaky athlete comes out in a beautiful fashion. Yeah, I mean, I still got it. I can still move around a little bit. It wasn't any explosive runs, I feel like, on Sunday.

And I told the guys I was tired. It was the last play of a 17-play drive. It took 8 minutes and 50 seconds off the clock. I didn't have any left for celebration. I had no bell celebration, no big spike. Is that dead? Is that dead?

No, no, no, no, no. Of course not. The internet's working. No. It's definitely not no. Of course not. Okay. The internet's working. Right here, yeah. No, it's definitely not dead. It's just I was tired, you know. I was just thinking about getting over the sidelines and having a seat, man. That was a long day. You're an idiot. I got a quick one, Pat.

I just wonder how hard it is. When I watch games on TV, I see guys come off the sideline. I know they want you guys to throw on masks. Like how tough is it in the moment? Say you just threw a big touchdown pass and you're talking with your coach and celebrating. Is it difficult to go, oh, wait, here we go. Hold on, I've got to mask up.

Does that come into your mind? No, you're not thinking about it at all. And I hope that that's never the norm. I really do. I hope it's never the norm to think, oh shit, I've got to put my mask on. You do it because you don't want to get fined. I hand off my helmet

usually to Chris on the sidelines. He hands me back my hat, whatever hat I'm wearing, a towel, and then my mask now. That's a part of the routine, but I hope it never becomes the norm. Just I hope we get past this, and this is in the rear view as soon as possible. Well, AJ asked you about that earlier. He chose not to answer, which, by the way, good work.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge your way through that entire thing. No, no, no, for another time, I will. Oh, yeah. Hey, let's do it. Hey, let's do it. Hey, let's do it. There was a question that was proposed on another sports show that said, because you're working out your legs more, you're throwing the ball better. Would you like to address that directly?

Is that why you're throwing the ball better, because you're working out your legs more? I'm squatting the Haas right now. I'm not sure. I mean, I really don't know. I think, but I will say I'm a big proponent of squatting. I didn't squat for years other than like the bear squat or if you know what that is. Like, you know, that's not, you know, the most strenuous thing on your legs.

But I got back onto the bar starting last year and I've, you know, gotten four plates on each side. Old school. I can definitely say, you know, there's some young guys in the squad that aren't pushing the same kind of weight I'm pushing on. Oh, but they got that Louie. They got that Louie thing. They do, man. They got that swag.

All right, last question. We can't thank you enough for your time. You're the best. You're one touchdown away from 40 on the season already. This year has just been absolutely awesome. I hope you're enjoying the shit out of it, dude. Is there a question in there? No, just kind of a statement.

You are fucking slicing and dicing football right now. All the stats right now, and you're not a big stats guy, I assume. Well, you seem to know everything that's going on, so you probably do know this. All the stats that you're putting up is historic right now. Just want to let you know, I hope you're enjoying the hell out of it. Look, it started with this show, man. probably do know this. All the stats that you're putting up is historic right now. I hope you're enjoying the hell out of it. Look, it started with this show,

man. It started with this show. Write it down. Bringing it and having fun. It's culminated with a really nice season we put together. And then hopefully some hardware at the end of the year. Yeah, that's what we're here for. And we're not talking about honors hardware.

The MVP has already won. Shut AJ up once and for all. That's what I'm talking about. To hell with AJ Hawk. Because, let me see. I believe somebody on this show last week said, Packers by 17 or they're going to lose. Wasn't that?

Oh, that was AJ. Oh, no. Wasn't that? Oh, that was AJ. Oh, no. Wasn't that this guy? Yeah, it was. It was that guy. And I'm sure when you heard that, you were like, yeah, he's probably right. He's the worst. He's a doubter.

Hey, we're not. I can't confirm or deny that. Ladies and gentlemen, hey, good luck against the Panthers, buddy. Can't wait to watch you get 40 on the year. You're the best. Thank you for your time. See you, boys. Hey, college, by the way.

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Hey, good clap there, Bob. Good clap. How you doing, pal? I'm doing great. This is awesome. Well, we appreciate you joining us. Now, I see that you go by Robert Tunyon, and we just, I assume everybody just started calling you

Big Bob Tunyon. Do you hate the name? Should I be calling you Robert? Should we change the little name thing down on the other side? No, it's all good. My grandpa's Bob. My dad's Bob. It's about time.

You know, the name just, you know, goes from Robert to Bob. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hey, well, Big Bob Tunyon's been making some damn plays. Kid from Indiana State. You end up at the Packers. This year has had to be quite a whirlwind for you. Did you kind of expect it, right? Because a lot of the stories were coming out.

Ty wanted to talk about this, and it kind of leads into this first conversation. You were training with Kittle a little bit, and then your name started coming on the scene, and then you end up with Aaron Rodgers. Has this year just been the dream come true that you've always kind of fantasized about? Yeah.

I think it's just been like what I've been manifesting and just sticking to the plan, just keeping my head down, just working the last, you know, couple of years just behind good guys like Mercedes, Jimmy and Lance Kendricks. I was behind those guys for the last, you know, couple of years here and just, you know, when it was my turn to go, I just had to be ready and I'm thankful i was ready let's talk about manifesting the hell does that mean you sit down you have like a uh do you have a goals chart do you have like a goals thing goals right here right next to um yeah and uh what's funny at the beginning i made like you know like mental goals and then some obviously statistical goals but um yeah I had five touchdowns as my goals to start the year.

And then I got that like five games through the year. Fifteen. Let me go ahead and change this. Yeah, but it was, yeah, every day, you know, meditating, whether it's, you know, self-talk or, you know, whatever it is, you know, just got to, you know,-talk or you know whatever it is you know just gotta you know keep the mind just as good as the body how'd you get into that bob because we saw that the packers hired like a uh mental coach or like a psychiatrist i believe i forget the exact dial in but whenever we talked to aaron earlier in the season he was talking about being in the

mental state where he's like happy and everything like that has this been a team initiative is this something that you brought on how long have you been doing the the mental state where he's like happier and everything like that. Has this been a team initiative? Is this something that you brought on? How long have you been doing the mental exercises to be the best you? Just last year with, you know, getting injured for the first time like ever in my career and missing games because of an injury is just like so hard on me. And then, you know, missing your window, you know, could you be cut? You know, are you going to play like you, you know, you want to be a starter, but you can't play, like, for the first time, like, physically. So, you know, I was just in a bad spot last year.

Got the core surgery. And, you know, I used that time to just, you know, get mentally stronger when I couldn't do anything physically. And, you know, and people who know me, you know, I got kind of with that with Kittle's dad, George's dad. He was kind of my mental coach when i was down there in nashville training then when i got here just getting around guys like aaron and mercedes who would do the same stuff it's uh it's just good to have those types of people like with you and like have your back working and how you're moving the same way i need i need those people around me because instead i got this guy big bob has uh coach lafleur said anything to you like,

hey, dude, you got to relax. You're going to fucking knock me out when you're punching me after you score a touchdown or we have a big drive. Has he said anything like that to you? Yeah, throw punches. No, I feel like he wants – he vacates it so he will get it more. He's like – but then if I'm not pissed you know but then like if i'm like not like pissed off but if i'm like angry like jump around he's like you know let's have some fun how about you know

like let's maybe like have fun with it but waiting for the time where he gets like really smoked so he's a cool guy huh he's one of the most successful i think the most successful coach to ever start an nfl career with his record at this point. And then last year the conversation was him and Aaron are going to hate each other. And then all they've done is just get better and better and better together. In watching him and Aaron celebrate, watching you and him celebrate, like there's not a lot of head coaches that are like that. What is it like to play for a guy that young and also seems to be that cool?

I think just like his knowledge of wanting the team to be player-led and kind of letting Aaron, Mercedes and the Smith guys just kind of run the team and do their thing and let them talk and if there's inner

squad, not beef, but crap kind of shit going on. I don't know if I can swear on him. Yeah can't big bob load it up yeah yeah um but uh yeah just just letting us do our thing and you know being a coach when the coaches you know needs to be a coach and like the point of authority but also just kind of letting the players figure it out and we have the guys to do that in the locker room um does it feel like you guys are impossible to stop? Because that's what it looks like. Whenever you turn on a Packers game, aside from that Buccaneers game,

but whenever you turn on a Packers game, it's just like, okay, this offense is just going to be unbelievable. Played against the Colts defense, by the way, one of the top defenses now. Obviously, that game goes overtime and you guys lose, but we're able to move. Then the Chicago Bears defense, which is a legendary, able to move. It seems like it doesn't really matter. You guys are going to do your thing. Do you guys know that?

Is that something you guys know? Like, yeah, our offense is really good right now. Yeah, I think. You have to, yeah. Being aware of, you know, the playmakers we have and, you know, who we got under center, I just don't think that mentally we think about failing. I think going back to kind of what we were just talking about,

like we manifested as an offense, like throughout the week, we're talking about what, you know, what plays we want to make individually as a team, you know, just like mentally, visually, like a lot of walkthroughs and just being on the same page and obviously having Aaron, that quarterback doesn't stink. So he's so good at the football, dude.

Dude, it's unreal. And it's like, not even that he like throws us like a quarterback. He throws us like a thrower. Like, he's not like, you know,

like sitting back in the pocket, like being like super mechanical. Like, you know, you see his feet and his hips, you know, he's different. He's a little weirdo,

you know, is there anything in the huddle? Is he saying things or is it all like normally to the point? Is he in between? hips you know he's different he's a little weirdo you know is there anything in the huddle is he saying things or is it all like normally to the point is he in between because i think aaron jones came on this show and it was before his first time getting real time and aaron jogged on the field next to him and was like basically said something like hey it's now it's time for like the rest of the world to see what we've got like like kind of like a little motivational like a little is he like that during games during plays and like how about for you coming out and being introduced to

the world what has some conversations with him been like um he's just super supportive in the huddle and you know like you said sometimes to the point but other than that like in pre-game warm-ups or in practice like before we get like a team drive going or whatever like he'll give us a little just a calming speech and just look everyone in the eye and just, you know, wants everyone's attention and know like it's time to go. And Aaron's just a guy that I respect for the sole fact that, you know,

for me, like coming off the streets as like a practice squad tight end, like, yeah, like it is what it is, but like he got to know me, he got to know like what I was about. He saw me making plays in the practice squad and then, you know,

rolling over and just, you know, being understudies of those guys I mentioned before and just understanding how great I wanted to be and, like, how good I wanted to be and just studying so hard. He just, you know, didn't let me teeter, you know, that line. He understands that and won't let me fall below that, and I respect him for that. How have you never crashed your car on your ride to practice from the facility in full pads? How has that never happened?

That is crazy. It's funny, though, because, like, you know, some guys are in the trunk of, like, truck bed, stuff like that. Like, it's like we're driving to high school practice. That's, like, the best part, I think. And that time that, you know, the pre-talk, you know, the pre-practice talks, like driving over and the post-practice talks are funny, especially with the veteran guys. They're bitching a lot, like how old they are and shit. Those talks are just hilarious. It was funny.

The first time I was here, the first two rides, I didn't know anyone when I was first signed here. It was 2017 of December. Jordy Nelson drove me to my first practice, and then Clay Matthews in my second. I'm in the trunk of their Suburbans, and they don't even know my name. Where's Jordy at? He's in the middle of Kansas right now playing softball. He is dominating softball leagues right now in Kansas.

How has it been playing in front of next-to-no people no people I mean Lambeau is a notoriously awesome place I've only gotten to play up there a couple times but it gets going and then obviously you guys only let like 200 people and I think 250 people and has there been any noticeable difference because on Sunday night in Buffalo when Buffalo was playing uh it's obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers just talked about it for two days ad nauseum. But whenever they were playing and they didn't have the TV sound on, we heard, I think, what the stadium normally sounds like. And that was tough. It was tough to watch as a fan or whatever.

But as a player, I would assume a lot of that hype has to come from the sidelines, self-hype, anything like that. Has there been any noticeable difference for you? The game is definitely slower because you don't get that like adrenaline rush as much from like the fans which is like good and bad because you can just like think way more clear there's not like you know uh I guess distraction in that way but also like when you score and make a big play like you're kind of just screaming with yourself or getting hyped with yourself half the time because there's like no one to you know celebrate with or

get going so that that was like the most awkward part is like making plays and like scoring a touchdown like looking into the stands like i did it i did it me and all my friends you know my friends leave me because no one can see it hey tell us about the gold zone man what a place has michael myers called the green bay packers yet after aaron rogers made a bird call last week has michael myers called the green bay packers yet after aaron rogers made a bird call last week for michael myers to end up at green bay sometime uh dude the gold zone is like that's that's like top like three most like we have some good meetings throughout the week but like the gold zone like put together like coach hackett is like so extra

about it that it like like, it's unreal. He'll come in a gold hat, gold chain, gold, like, hat, jacket, chain, whatever, like, sunglasses, making videos of, like, other, just giving random people the outfits in the gym and making them, like, yell and stuff. Like, it's so funny, but we're all bought into that. And I think, like, every year, just, like, having, like, a touchdown, like, motto is, like, good. But I think the gold zone is just, like a touchdown like motto is like good but i think the gold zone is just like locked in oh man connor good yeah bob i saw that uh when you went

undrafted the lions picked you up and then released you does it give you extra motivation you know on sunday when you're going to play them and is that why you forearm shivered an entire defensive line on one point what a block dude what a shot I do get that question a lot. And I used to think that because I thought that was the way to think. Like, yeah, finger to Detroit, whatever. But at the same time, it is what it is. They got to live with that, too. And I live with that as a motivational piece. So I'm cool with that.

What's today's meditation about? What are we talking about? After this, I got yoga meditation after you guys. I don't know. Maybe just, you know, maybe getting grounded, you know, maybe just having a good week. There you go. What's this one? This one's called the Heidi Dukin, right?

You know what it's called? That might be some type of warrior. Oh. You could make one, though. You could make one. No, no, dude. I can't even touch my fucking toes big bob i can't even i can't even get there i wish i did bro you know you're not flexible anymore

anymore i never was dude i used to fail the presidential fitness test because i couldn't touch my fucking toes i don't know if you remember that way back in the day just can't do it dude just can't so you'll do full yoga right yeah you you got to slide that thing. Yeah, I got negative 10. Yeah, I used to try to. I couldn't shoot it far enough. I need WD-40. Teacher, bro, I know all those. So do you do yoga at the house?

Do you do yoga at the house? I have a yoga instructor. She does my meditation, yoga, and massages. Okay, so meditation, how long are we doing it for, and how does it work? Probably like 20, 30 minutes, and you kind of just lay on the ground and black out. That's like the whole point is just to kind of like do that. I can do that. And just like, you know, not be like, you know, you're stressed, like your anxiety is high or like you're too low on yourself.

You kind of just want to ride that, the flow state. God. I do that. I don't meditate though. I just, I hit this water pipe we have and I just go right into this flow state. Bob, I'm just in the flow state. What do you got to say? Stay here? Yeah, right here. All right, cool. I've been here for a long time. What do you got to say?

Last year with Jimmy Graham, did he teach you how to fly a plane at all? He did. I was definitely up in a plane with him and definitely flying the plane, and that was wild. I was literally sitting there turning the plane like 180 and going back the other way, and I'm like, I felt like Grand Theft Auto. Yeah. Shock, shock, shock, shock.

Yeah. It was like both him, he could take the wheel whenever, and I could. It was like a both you know him he could you know take the wheel whenever and i could it was like a full bar across and yeah i was flying the plane wild let's talk about that is wild by the way congrats on landing that thing i guess because i was on a plane not too long ago some bitch uh land i had to make an emergency landing happy you weren't flying it even though i would have trust though big bob um let's talk about big dog because aaron talked about mercedes a little bit and i think it gained a lot of traction because i don't think a lot of people knew the amount of love that everybody has for

mercedes on that team what is it about him you're in the same room as him what is like kind of uh you know what have you learned from him um everything really i was just about to like think for a second but like i can't like what the information that he's given me and like the confidence the maturity like the past three years with him like i feel like i've like matured like 10 years like he is such a great dude such positive positive energy, so real, so authentic. And he's another one of those guys like Aaron who understands, like, where I want to be at and where I'm at currently and just, like, not letting me, like, ever, like, slip

and just, like, be under, like, what I'm there to do. Man. Bob, I'm excited to watch you continue to ascend, pal. Congratulations on all the success. Keep winning. Ty Schmidt's an owner of the Green Bay Packers. You know what I mean? Go get him, Bob.

He's pretty jacked up. I didn't hear what you said because your thing cut out, but I'm sure it was great. Know that. Ladies and gentlemen, Big Bob Tiny. Big Bob Tiny.

Ladies and gentlemen, the only and first employee of Yahoo Sports, Charles Robinson. I'm the Kmart version of Adam Schefter. No! Chuck, say it ain't so! Don't say that!

Come on! That's a good way to start this. Come on, I just had to get it. Chuck, you didn't deserve that. You didn't deserve that from you. Okay? That was a little ricochet shot from yourself. At least.

At least. Look, how much of the Joel Osteen PPE money did the Pat McAbee show get? I'm waiting for you to pop up on that one. So, by the way, if we want to have a pretty serious conversation here, we can actually have this. Whenever this popped up we did um uh qualify for it right yeah and real conversations were had between uh myself and a kid who's been my best friend since kindergarten who's our cfo cfo phil and uh you know phil's job is to kind of do other thing and i said you know we don't we don't need it we should not take it we should you know let

other people have it and also i think if we take that you know there's a chance that somebody else won't get literal conversation that i had with phil okay i was on some vitamins and we just moved on we just moved on from act like never happened keep it moving how you doing and now it's coming out every single company that took it people are finding out about companies didn't get it and cfo phil says like hey listen i don't know how your brain operates, but fucking good call on that. I feel like because we didn't need it. You know, it just feels like if you don't need it, you shouldn't take it. That's kind of the old school rule.

But Joel Osteen, I mean, he's got a fucking stadium he's got to take care of and to continue to build on, you know, $4.4 million renovation. Pretty good for a stadium for Joel Osteen. You know what I mean? He needed that. God bless you. God damn it. Listen, Pat, you left enough money out there for Tom Brady.

The TB12 loan. Oh, yeah. The TB12 got. I know. And then you start going through all the companies that are coming out. Lakers. Lakers. I believe they took like $17 million.

Oh, yeah. I mean, it is. It is wild. They gave it back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good people there.

Yahoo. That's crazy, man. back wild yeah they gave it back yeah yeah good people there yahoo as you do know is the walmart version of uh charles where the hell have you been you you you i feel like you don't cover the nfl whenever the nfl is happening what the hell is going on are you just hanging i do i do i'm just terrible at the twitters i get yelled at about this a lot, about not tweeting out my stuff enough. So what are we reporting on? What's the big news? We just talked about there,

Drew Locke had the highest passer rating in Denver of the NFL this past week. Who knows what's going to happen next year, though? Are they completely blowing that place up? Vic Fangio gone? Drew Locke gone? John Elway gone. Let's start there because that's where our conversation was,

and then we'll move on from there. I mean, I'd say that Vic is probably coaching for his job. You know, there's a select few guys right now that I think are coaching for their jobs. I think Vic's one of them. I think Doug Peterson in Philadelphia is one of them. I think what's going on with Jalen Hurst has helped Doug Peterson if he can continue that throughout the rest of the season.

I think Matt Nagy in Chicago. But, you know, I think Locke is – the thing is about Locke, they're not going to be – I think their draft position isn't going to be high enough to get in play for, say, that second quarterback who comes off the board. So then I think if you're Denver, if Locke's not the guy, there are going to be, look, Sam Darnold. I think, what's it, here's the interesting thing about Darnold. I think in that draft, had they not, had Darnold gotten to them at five,

you know, that was their, I think absolutely they'd take Sam Darnold there. Well, Sam Darnold's going to be a guy that you can probably get for a second, you know, round pick right now. I think they would, you know, the Jets would snap that up if they could get that, probably a second and maybe another late pick. So Darnold's the guy who's going to be out there. I think if this continues with Hurts and Elway is maniacal, which he can be at times, Carson Wentz,

depending on how they feel about his evaluation, they do have the cap space to acquire Carson Wentz, you know, depending on how they feel about his evaluation, they do have the cap space to acquire Carson Wentz. And basically the remaining four years of Wentz's deal, if a team were to acquire him, you're really going to pay him for 2021 and 2022. So it would be sort of a two-year tryout. I like that. There's going to be some guys to build.

Let's send Carson Wentz to Denver. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I like Carson Wentz to Denver because all anybody's saying is, to Indy, to Indy, to Indy, because God was with him and Frank Wright together in Philadelphia. That's what Moose said this weekend, that Carson was missing Frank Wright

because of their shared love of the Lord, which, by the way, whatever ties you together and makes you play good is good. But maybe they'll find the Lord in Denver, too, or Pittsburgh or anywhere else. Thank God. I don't want to pick up that contract in Indianapolis. But maybe Chris Bauer does. Who knows? He's smarter than I am.

Let's talk about some other quarterbacks other than Carson Wentz, Drew Locke. Matt Ryan's owed like $100 million after this season, okay? Yeah. That's a massive contract. They, I assume, they're going to have a new head coach, new GM. Maybe Raheem gets the gig. Who knows? But that's not something anybody's going to want.

Are you hearing that anybody in the NFL is like, yeah, we'll take Matt Ryan and that $100 million? How are they going to get off of that? There's no way they can down in Atlanta, huh? No, I think the age is prohibitive. And, you know, the teams, the guys who I think would be really interested in him just aren't in a position to get him. You know, so, like, I think if, look, money wasn't a factor, would Kyle Shanahan be interested in Matt Ryan? Hell yeah.

You know, like, Kyle's definitely going to look every single year until he's certain he's got the right quarterback. He's going to look to see if he can upgrade. You know, Jimmy G's not safe in San Francisco. But I think, look, Atlanta, it's going to be the incoming coaches. Oh, yeah, man. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa, okay, okay. Jimmy G's not safe in San Francisco? No, no. He's gone, huh? I don't think he's gone, but I think that Kyle, the way, so the way Kyle approaches that quarterback position, even after they signed Jimmy D to that deal, Kyle has always kept an open mind of, like,

if you can upgrade at the position and it doesn't kill you from an asset standpoint or a salary cap standpoint or whatever, you always, unless you have a top two, three, four quarterback in the league, you need to always be looking at if there's an opportunity to upgrade at the position, you do it. And part of that is Kyle keeping pressure on Jimmy. And, you know, this has been talked about, but like even after they acquired Jimmy,

there were still people in the NFL close to Kyle who were like, I think if he could get Kirk Cousins right now, he likes Kirk more than he liked Jimmy. Hey, Kyle Shanahan's a savage. We just gave you $80 million. Don't get too fucking confident. We can get you out of here no problem at all. That's why.

What are some other big off-season moves you see happening? Because the salary cap's going down, right? No crowds. Some places, Cleveland had a lot more than most places. Buffalo's got absolutely zero people in the crowd. And whoever decided not to use the crowd noise on television cast, which was terrible to watch until the second half, and then they had bad time.

But the salary cap is going down. You know what I mean? There's going to be some big names cut, I believe. Is that a good guesstimation? So the league is going to work really hard with the union to try and see if they can keep it flat this year like it now they're the drawback was supposed to happen i mean there was sort of this agreement that there's likely going to be a salary cap drawback but you have

a number of owners who are sitting there looking at their salary cap situation saying we'd rather not cut a bunch of guys like to get us right and and you know and and they would like to be active in free agency because at this point free agency is going to be pretty dead you see teams that are accruing like for example cleveland's a really good example cleveland has spent time sort of accruing money knowing that it's going to be really active in free agency there's a handful of teams the patriots have doing that have been doing that um i think you know stefan gilmore is the guy who probably is going to get cut loose um i think the the patri who probably is going to get cut loose.

I think the Patriots are probably going to take that $7 million hit, and he's the guy who will hit the open market. There's going to be, obviously, interest in him. There's going to be – look, Stafford's going to be a quarterback decision coming in. Matt Ryan, as we talked about, if they could move him, very prohibitive. But I think there's a decision there about the future of Matt Ryan. I think what's going to be interesting is you're going to see – I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens with some of the coaching moves

because there could be as many as like eight or nine jobs open. Yeah, that's a lot of jobs. And GM roles too, by the way. There's GM roles open. There's head coaching jobs. And I assume that in 2020, because of how fucked everything was, it was going to be a free pass for everybody. But instead, I think a lot of organizations learn who stinks and who doesn't

because they're all kind of on the same playing field. Before we get to the head coach and GMs, can I revisit the salary cap staying flat? Because we all know that the NFL lawyers are going to outlaw the NFL PA lawyers. That's going to happen. So if it stays flat that means a robin peter to pay paul at some point yes how will that end up because the players will end up getting fucked by that somehow if it's not this year it'll be in the future how's that end up happening you

think that's exactly i mean like you said i mean the money comes from somewhere so obviously it would be taken from from future years so that the way that this is going to be structured um there can be there is the ability to take some money out of some future years and move it up to try and soften the blow. Because I think, look, the union is sitting there and they're looking at the situation. They're going, look, we don't want a bunch of guys to get cut and then have sort of a dead fish free agency period because that doesn't really help anybody either. You end up with a bunch of guys who are on one-year deals who would be signing long-term contracts. Or you get teams that try to be creative with putting money later in deals. But if that money is not going to be guaranteed,

all that does is expose players and put them into bad situations contractually. So this is that rare instance where coming into this year, both the union and NFL knew they were both screwed. Like no matter what, everybody was going to take a bite out of a shit sandwich. And so they were both screwed. Like, no matter what, everybody was going to take a bite out of a shit sandwich. And so they're sitting there. South Harmon Institute of Technology, dude. Everybody's getting it. But this is going to end up being bad for the players.

It's going to end up being bad. Somehow, some way, the NFL is going to, not granted bad for the players. Guys are still going to get money, but there will be something that will come out in the agreement between the NFLPA and the NFL about keeping the salary cap flat, about how 15 years from now the owner somehow concocted a way to cut the salary cap. There will be something that will happen.

There's always something. So here's the really interesting thing that's going on right now. Not a lot of people are really talking about this. Because you won't tweet. Because you won't fucking tweet. Because I won't tweet, right? I did write a story about this. I think it's actually up today.

Where? Where? Where? It's on Kmart.com. Oh, Yahoo! Yahoo! Yahoo! Stop being so hard on yourself, Charles.

Yahoo's been around a long time. It's a staple of this fucking internet that we have here. I have learned to be self-deprecating in my role, okay? That's the best way to go yeah but you wrote about today at y'all here we'll read about it what what does nobody talk so okay so um the when roger goodell sends out this memo memo in october and he tells you know teams stop screwing around pay attention follow the covet protocols or we're gonna you know you're gonna forfeit games we're gonna strip draft picks here's all the or we're gonna you know you're gonna forfeit game from

your strip draft picks here's all the stuff we're gonna do to you um at that point it's like wow he pulled the bazooka out pretty early in terms of like telling teams we're gonna hammer the hell out of you and i think now we're starting to see why and it's because the ravens showed us the ravens had a prime sick spot the ravens and steers had a prime sick spot on thanksgiving right huge money advertising for nbc fantastic you know everybody's geared up they sold all this advertising made a ton of money off of it all of a sudden that gets moved to a wednesday in like the middle of the day the most ridiculous time slot ever so what ended up happening was nbc when that slot got moved the viewership dropped 50 percent from what NBC's Thanksgiving Day slot was the previous year. Well, the problem with that is all the advertisers are sitting here going,

we paid all this money for this Thanksgiving slot, and now the game is on a Wednesday afternoon. We got completely screwed here. And so NBC essentially had to have a form of givebacks, where there were certain people that advertised during that game on the Wednesday who didn't pay for their advertising. And now you have networks that are sitting there saying, hey, the fluctuation in ratings has caused us to be in a situation. We may have to discount some of our advertising or give away some of our advertising as givebacks for NFL games.

That's never happened before. That never happens. The NFL is like bulletproof. And all these advertisers were waiting for the NFL season to start because they said, look, we got killed on the NBA. We got killed on the NHL. But the NFL's ratings are bulletproof. Well, it's fluctuated so much during COVID and the election season that it's wreaked some havoc on on some of these networks with their advertisers. Well, guess what? The new TV deals aren't done yet. They're not done yet. And you'd be crazy to think that these networks aren't going to remember,

particularly when there's a 7% drop in viewership rating this year across the board in terms of the cable providers and the digital providers for the NFL. The TV networks are going to remember this. And so that's going to bear out, I think, in the television contract negotiations, which screws the players in the long term because that's where all the money comes from.

Chuck, let me tell you about something here, though. Anybody ever call you Chuck? Yeah, yes. Big Chuck. Not in a while, but you're good. Chuck's a good name. I've been pretty pumped up about Chuck. Charles is also incredibly sophisticated.

If I was a writer at one of the oldest institutions on the internet, I would also like Charles. We just pulled up your article, by the way. I don't know if you saw that. They said NBC could not put that game on at night because they had to recycle a previous year's tree celebration

that they said would get like 20-some million. I forget what it was. I forget the number they said. But didn't the Wednesday afternoon football, the WAF, did it not get 14.9 million or something like that or 15 million? It did a big number for the slot. And now there was

a method to that for NBC because they said, look, we're kind of getting both. We're getting an awesome, this tree lighting ceremony is going to get a great number. And now we kind of have this middle of the day where we get a pretty big number too. So that's really part of why they did it. But still the advertisers were pissed. They're like, look, we expected this massive 30 million, you know,

viewership audience that had happened in the previous year for you on your Thanksgiving day game. And so that's what we paid for. So they wanted some money back, or they wanted something in response to that. So it's another way that COVID's wreaking havoc. A lot of people running those advertising slots are a bunch of fucking idiots. We have to deal with them on a regular basis. They are always looking for free reads, those people. What do you got, Connor?

Yeah, Charles uh why is jim harbaugh the next head coach of the detroit lions yeah why is he even in the nfl conversation woody johnson you know i mean the jets woody johnson had such a infatuation with him prior to him going to michigan and while he was at michigan in the early years that um you know joe douglas having worked with John Harbaugh in Baltimore, Woody coming back into the fold from his ambassadorship, obviously the political change. And, you know, so the idea is, well, okay, Woody's factoring in here, but there are people at Michigan that are really driving this, to be honest with you. Like people at Michigan are like,

the Jets are going to come get jim like they really really people in michigan don't kid yourself really want someone to come get jim and take them off their hands and if they want i would take matt campbell and so a lot of this is driven oh that's why i always laugh when i see all the headlines about jim because a lot of it's being driven inside of michigan not from the nfl level and by the way, about Jim, I will say this. Everyone says, well, the things he was doing with Colin Kaepernick at the time, Greg Roman was his OC. A lot of that plays into how the NFL looks now.

Yeah, it does. But, you know, look at what has happened with Greg Roman in Baltimore. You lose Ronnie Stanley. You lose Marshall Yonda. That offense has run into a little bit of a wall here. And by the way, go back and look at Jim Harbaugh's defenses in San Francisco and then also tell me what quarterback he's developed at Michigan. Donovan Peoples-Jones came out of Michigan, and he's doing more stuff for Cleveland than I ever saw him do.

Big catch last night. Huge. Moss-type catch last night. All right, Chuck. Any news going to break in the next hour or so, you think, that you want to break right here, maybe? No. There's nothing going on. I'm glad it's an Aaron Rodgers

Tuesday, though, because I can tell you this. I have an MVP vote, and I thought for sure up until about two weeks ago, I was like, Mahomes is just going to run away with this. This is going to be pretty easy. I'm not going to have to call teams and start asking them to compare players or whatever.

Rogers is a race that. Like, it is absolutely a two-man race right now. I talked to someone. It's a one-man race. Do the right thing. It's about time. Way to go, Chuck. Way to get on the right side.

Hey, Chuck, do not fuck this up. Do not do it, Chuck. You can't throw three interceptions and win MVP, Chuck. We all know that. Aaron threw two that way. Yeah, two is fine. Two is fine. Everybody's going to have a bad game every once in a while.

Yeah. But Aaron, so how did you get this MVP vote? How long has it been? How long have you had the MVP vote? A couple years. A couple years. Do you got to write it in and mail it in? Is it an email?

What is it? No, no. It's email. So it's like what's 50 50 members so it's like some former players like Aikman Lofton um so there's a number like former players and then certain media members who have covered the league for a long time you know been asked to bring in you know I got brought into fold a couple years ago so how have you guys never gave a vote to Russell Wilson okay oh god I'm so glad you brought this up. Okay, Chuck, because you were getting brought

up in the opening four or five weeks. It was like, this guy, here's a guy that never got an MVP vote. It was like, I didn't know that. I didn't know that all 50 of you guys hated Russell Wilson. That's crazy. This is the problem with context. I hear people

saying this, and I'm like, these are people who've never voted. These are people who never had we all registered to vote okay because duck hodges told us to do so in a social media video but how what is the context of that how does that work they're all heroes i got your medals in the mail okay so russell wilson his three years that were his best shots at winning MVP. Cam Newton won, one of the greatest quarterback seasons in the history of the NFL, 2015, right? Pat Mahomes was the other, the next season where Russell really had a shot to win it. Pat Mahomes threw 50 touchdown passes, one of the greatest quarterback seasons in the history, the next season, where Russell really had a shot to win it. Pat Mahomes threw 50 touchdown passes, one of the greatest quarterback seasons in the history of the NFL,

and Lamar Jackson last year. So literally, Russell's three best years in terms of his candidacy ran into Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson putting up three of the greatest quarterback seasons the NFL's ever seen in history. That's why Russell Wilson, he was a strong number two candidate last year. Hey, you're not rowing number two. No.

You're not rowing number two. People drink Powerade still. Yeah. Hey, people go to Kmart. Yeah. Let's go to Kmart. So is that at the end of the season? Do you have a, like, is there a certain window you're allowed to put the voters?

Yeah. So you're not allowed to cast your vote before the season officially ends. And then once the season officially ends, you have – there's a window of time. And I think it's like three days or five days where you have – you have to come up with, you know, your ballot at that point. So a lot of us – so I'll give you an example. Like what I had to do last year, I had some difficulty parsing out Josh Jacobs versus Kyler Murray for offensive – or offensive rookie of the year last year i had some difficulty parsing out josh jacobs versus kyler murray for offensive or

offensive rookie of the year last year so what i did was i called common opponents so i talked to atlanta falcons i said you you you prepared for both of these guys they're really close on my ballot lay it out for me which guy's better give me your best pitch here who was harder to prepare for defensively you know who impacted the game went through that i think the jets were another team i called because they were a common call in those two. You end up doing that with some of these guys when they're that close. And I really honestly believe Mahomes and Rodgers are going to be so close, you're going to have to reach out to a number of people across the league

and just ask them, explain to me why this guy deserves the nod over someone else. These people care enough to tell you? Yes. Yeah, they really do. They do. They care. None of my friends that are in coaching, if you called them and you said, hey, lay out why this guy's better. I don't fuck that. That's your job.

That's not my job. No, no. I mean, it depends. You know, there are some people who don't care. Some people are in the thick of their season, don't want to talk about it. But a lot of people will take the time to parse out candidates for you. And interestingly enough, you know, I'll give you a guy who really does care although he's not on my list but i know other people lean on him for hall of fame and then also some of the other things

that they vote for bill belichick's a guy who really he cares huh wants people to get it right you know he wants people to to use information and and you know not just pull it out of their ass and so there are guys j Jerry Jones is another guy, any Hall of Fame consideration, Jerry Jones will spend a lot of time, particularly with someone in an era that he was really close to, he'll spend time talking to you and explaining why a guy deserves it. Well, good luck with your vote. We're pulling for you.

We're happy you registered to vote, like Dakaji said. And you need to tweet more because your brain's a good one. We need to see you over there. Or we just need to make yahoo.com, the sports section, our go-to spot every single morning.

Ladies and gentlemen, Charles Robinson. Let's go, Charles. Thanks, guys. Take care. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the show. Thanks to all the guests.

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We are an okay-sized show. It's pretty awesome. It's not bad. There's no reason for people to be listening to our show the way they do. And the fact that you do, we are forever thankful. Hashtag end of pod squad. Let's do another giveaway. Yep's not bad. There's no reason for people to be listening to our show the way they do. And the fact that you do, we are forever thankful. Hashtag end of pod squad. Let's do another giveaway. Sounds good.

We gave away like, I think, $10,000 last time we did this. We'll do that again. Send a tweet. Hashtag end of pod squad with a picture of where you're listening. Ty will go through and randomly select. So it's not like if your photo is better than somebody else, you're going to win. It'll be a random selection. Right.

We'll give away another $10 thousand dollars because you stick around to the end of the show which is incredible i mean i can't thank you enough for being this dedicated to the show hashtag end of pod squad take a picture of what you're listening where you're listening uh and you'll be entered in to randomly win uh some of the ten thousand dollars that ty schmidt will be picking be patient because you know a lot of people enter these things and it does take a little time. And then Venmo, you can only send X amount of cash. So it is a little bit of a process,

but if you get selected, you will get part of your money. And by the way, we gave away $125,000, and it turns out Venmo does not make it easy to give away money. No, it's like $2,000 a week, I think. Thought sharing money was what Venmo was all about. It is not. They're about sharing limited amounts of money. Yeah, hey, you want to pay this person back

for getting your McDonald's? Go ahead. Go ahead. Here's $2.50. Yeah. Here's $9 maybe if it was a good order, good Arby's order too, maybe $15. Do what you got to do.

But if you want to give out $125,000, turns out it takes a little bit of a time. think we're all the way through that though so this ten thousand dollars should be able to go but it does we're only allowed to give out a certain amount of money each week right we're not happy about it no i mean it's something they should look at and probably change but hey we don't control that why don't they ever do any self eval i don't know big corporate greedy cat. What's it called? Greedy fat cats.

Corporate greedy fat cats. That's exactly what they are. Yeah. They got everybody's money on there. They don't give a fuck. No. So what we're saying is. Bank information too. Yeah, they weren't doing that.

So what we're saying is, if you win, please just have a little bit of patience. Yeah. We're trying. You'll get it. It's a holiday season we want to give away as much as possible because we feel incredibly lucky that you all listen to this show and you know buy our merch and all that stuff which i think is still on sale forgot to turn that off yeah if you're buying now there's no chance you're getting it by christmas

no but uh what you can do is get something now and then just print it out and give it to the person on Christmas. And it's like, hey, when it gets here, there's your present. I owe you. I owe you. That's as good as cash. That's as good as the thing. Because with this merch business, what we have learned, because people bought so much shit for our Big Sale Friday sale, turns out with the quarantine happening, a lot of things get locked down.

Yeah. And turns out it has affected the merch business. It has. But we appreciate all of you. a quarantine happening. A lot of things get locked down. Yeah. And turns out it has affected the merch business. It has. But we appreciate all of you. Try to give back as much as possible, as much as we're allowed to do. So hashtag Endapod Squad.

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