The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 318 - MNF Recap, Aaron Rodgers, Charles Davis, Tom E. Curran, Mark Madden, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys react to the Steelers potentially being dead, where they go from here, JuJu dancing on logos and getting smacked in the mahth, why the offense seems like it stinks/ if it actually does, and much more. Joining Pat and AJ like he has every Tuesday, the Quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, potential NFL MVP, Aaron Rodgers to chat about his game against the Panthers, how he's feeling about the Packers heading into the playoffs, he and AJ remember Kevin Greene, and much more (24:08-41:28). Next, Charles Davis joins the program to chat about the Steelers and whether or not they can turn things around, who he thinks can give the Chiefs a run in the AFC, his thoughts on the Packers and the Saints, and everything else going on in the NFL as we close in on the playoffs (41:30-1:03:02). Later, NBC Sports Boston analyst, and friend of the program Tom E. Curran joins the show to chat about the Patriots season, his relationship with Bill Belichick, where the Patriots go from here (especially at QB), and much more (1:05:42-1:17:46). Lastly, Pittsburgh Radio Icon, The Super Genius, Mark Madden checks in from Vegas to talk about the Steelers, if they're dead, JuJu dancing, and much more (1:17:48-1:34:20). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, December 22nd, 2020, and it's a good one. Packed show today. Packed shows. We got good stories. We got life lessons. We got insightful stuff, informational stuff, entertaining stuff. Charles Davis, Tommy Curran, AJ Hawk, and obviously the legend, Aaron Rodgers. Hell yeah! Let's get right to it. The legend, Aaron Rodgers.

Hell yeah. Let's get right to it. Last night on Muppet Night Football on ESPN. What a crock of shit that was. The worst fucking television I've ever seen in my entire goddamn life. I don't know how that gets okayed. Maybe the Muppets are coming out with a new album. What a shit show over on the worldwide leader. But nonetheless, it couldn't have been worse than the way the Pittsburgh Steelers played.

Last night, they lose to the Bengals and a guy named Ryan Gilbert starting for the Cincinnati Bengals Ryan Finley by the way might be a dude he had Moxie he threw in that 24-yard scamper to end the whole goddamn thing was nothing short of impressive Zach Taylor proves that he can win a game will the Pittsburgh Steelers ever prove that they can win another one to talk more about that we got diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan at Tone Diggs who is dreading this morning. We saw it all morning. We saw the text messages last night.

I FaceTimed him while he was putting together a table. I said, there's no way the Steelers lose tonight. This could be a sign of really troubled times. The Pittsburgh Steelers lose their third straight game after going 11-0 at Tone Diggs. State of the Pittsburgh Steelers fan base, how are you feeling? Sure. They look bad. Bad at football.

I mean, they look bad at football. They look really, really bad. It's unbelievable that that team won 11 games now that we're thinking about it. Now, the early bye week, the COVID rescheduling, they had a lot of odds stacked against them. Mike Tomlin, maybe one of the best coaches in the history of football. If you look at his actual record, people are calling for his head yet again in the Steelers fan base.

But that team looks like a shell of itself. He's dancing on logos still. Chase Claypool's recording it. He can stalk that. If they win there, by the way, what a big game for Juju after dancing on the logo and them losing. Everything seems to be in disarray over there, Diggs. What do you got to say for the future of the Pittsburgh Steelers right now?

Because, by the way, if you look at the playoff projections, if they win, they're in. They're going to be in the playoffs. They're going to get in the dance. Are they going to embarrass themselves? Yeah, they're in. Some are saying Ben's arm looks like a noodle. It could be from lack of uh giving up porn maybe he doesn't he's not getting the same rep store in the week

those are working out the little muscles you know what i mean like the quick twitch muscles the little muscles that you don't think because when you rehab something okay when you rehab something they worry about all the little muscles that are the stabilizing muscles you know like every whenever i get my uh knee surgery and then i go back to rehab they're working all the little muscles that are the stabilizing muscles. You know, like whenever I get my knee surgery and then I go back to rehab, they're working out the little tiny muscles in the thing around the quad and the calf and everything like that in the outside of the shin. Maybe it is because Ben found the Lord so heavily that the little muscles in his arm are no longer there,

and it looks bad. You know, we went up to Drew Brees just two days ago yeah it looks bad that pittsburgh steelers offense and and some may say it's a bad thing that uh the fourth safety who was now starting linebacker got hurt and some other things but i mean there were some good things last night pat there was a lot of good things uh ebron's gone so we don't have to worry about him anymore. Hey, you can't do that. You can't do that. He got injured, obviously. No, no, he's fine.

There's a tweet that just came out. He's fine. Oh, okay. But the Steelers found out that they're better without him, is what I was saying. Last night? Yeah. Yeah, Vance came in.

They started running the ball. Benny Stelzner. So Ebron's fine? I didn't see this tweet. Yeah, it just came out right before the show. Trust me, that line was not coming out of my mouth. No organ damage, thank God. So this was a Paul Pierce situation?

Because he got carted off, right? They had to zoom in on a sky cam on his, you know what I mean? Yeah, it looked like he was half laughing. Is he okay? No, he looked like he was in pain. It just came out. I just saw the tweet. I promise you.

Okay, if Ebron's back, then the Steelers will be back. Yeah, they're back. They're back. If Ebron's going's back, then the Steelers will be back. Yeah, they're back. They're back. If Ebron's going to be back, the Steelers will be back. Hopefully Juju got some sense knocked into him for the second game in a row. Teams were talking about how they were using it as motivation, and he caught the ball, and then he fumbled the ball like he did the last couple years of seasonal way.

That was cool. I love how the tweet goes, he should be okay. Yeah. Yeah, who is that, a doctor? Just pro football talk. He should be okay. Yeah, he should be okay. Yeah. Yeah, who's that? A doctor? Just pro football talk. He should be okay. Yeah, he should be okay. By the way, Florio's not held to the standards of medical journalism.

You know what I mean? That is 100% cool. And we will run with Florio saying he should be okay, by the way. Good news for the Steelers if Ebron's back. He should. Eric Ebron should be okay for Sunday's game. Should be okay. Now, not good for Diggs and the Steelers fans, it sounds like,

but he should be okay. They always lose to bad teams. We talked about it. We talked how they were 2-11 against teams when they're double-digit favorites on the road. That's good news. The last 11 team that was 11-0 and then at some point in the season lost three games in a row, went to the Super Bowl,

won the Super Bowl in the Saints. Oh, yeah, they beat us that year. Oh, why would you put that up? Because good odds there, like good way to spin stats, you know what I mean? A good way to spin stats would be like, you know, there was a team that won 14 games straight. And then they lost the last two in pretty bad fashion to the Jets and to the Bills at the time whenever they were the Bills. And that would be the team that I was on that went to the Super Bowl and lost to the Saints. But that's a very different

team, I think, than what we're seeing with the Steelers. Don't you think? Is it hard to... Or you're comparing those exact situations. Those exact situations because Drew Brees back then still had his noodle arm. I mean, he was... They lost to the 3-13 Bucks in Week 15.

They weren't trying to do that. And Drew Brees was trying to win that game. Correct. Because home field advantage in the NFC was still up for grabs. 3-13 Bucs in the division. Very similar to the Cincinnati Bengals game. Okay, go on. What was the next game?

They lost to the Cowboys the first game, then the Bucs, and then the third game, Drew Brees sat out. They were resting. Oh, so that was the three straight games that they lost without their quarterback the one time. Okay, they had to kicker Garrett Hartley playing quarterback for them. Actually, it was Mark Brunel. Oh! That was after

he bought into the floating furniture deal. Yeah, that's awesome. By far, the most important win last night for the Steelers is the fucking Stooge, Jinx, Curse. Evan Fox is no longer a Steelers fan. Yeah, add Evan Fox.

Watch your mouth. Has it been official? Since they lost last night, you have said that if this team loses one more game, you're done being a fan. Is it official this morning? I have a lot of thinking to do. Let me put it that way. Oh, okay. You know what?

I'm pissed off. Why? My whole life I've been a Detroit Lions fan. Yeah. All right? And it's been miserable. I watched them go 0-16. Oh, yeah.

I watched them ruin draft picks, fire coaches, and in my 26 years, I've never seen them win a playoff game. So I decided this year, I'm going to pick the hottest team in the league, right? The most storied franchise in the league in the Pittsburgh Steelers. Six Super Bowl rings. They have been to the playoffs before. And you know what? league right the most storied franchise in the league in the pittsburgh stillers six super bowl rings they have been to the playoffs before before and you know what i thought it was a good choice and then lo and behold right when i become a fan everyone said foxy's a curse foxy that team just stinks that's all it is that team's terrible you don't think it's because of you no absolutely this

isn't harry potter you said it before there's no curses out there team's terrible. You don't think it's because of you? No, absolutely. This isn't Harry Potter. You said it before. There's no curses out there. That's just a bad football team. The city of Pittsburgh is going to have to understand that. Otherwise, it's going to be a rude awakening come playoff. Now, we did talk about this last night. You have paid your dues to Pittsburgh, too.

Every single time you go into the Three Rivers City, you go right down to Rivers Casino, and you donate $300, $ go right down to Rivers Casino, and you donate $300, $400, $500 immediately upon arrival, tipping a gangster in the middle of the city like you're supposed to do. You've spent hours in bars and restaurants

around the city of Pittsburgh. You've tipped well. You have been a guy who has dedicated yourself to Pittsburgh within the last year, and now you're dedicating your fanhood to what, a lost cause? Is that what you're saying at this point, Foxy? I just can't believe this is how the team repays me. I cannot believe that this is what the Steelers put on that field last night

and lose to the Cincinnati Bengals. Unbelievably lost to the Bengals. Foxy, while you're back there, if you could cue up some things that people were saying about you on the internet, that'd be fantastic. At Boston Connors here, the Patriots are officially out. We'll talk to Tom E. Curran in the second hour. Can't wait. He told us before the season that the team stunk,

and then he actually said he wanted to cradle your face. Ty Schmitz here. We'll be talking to Aaron Rodgers third hour. Cannot wait to chat with him. It's going to be a little bit shorter chat today because they are working today because they're off on Christmas. So we'll have to hammer some great questions to him. What happens in the second half?

I am going to ask. Yeah, I'd like to know. What's that bobblehead in front of you right there? Oh, yeah. It's supposed to be me as Mad Mel. Oh! Whoa. So let's make sure we never get a bobblehead from this person.

Some guy made it. Very nice of him. Very nice. I mean, it's terrible, but it's very, very nice of him. The Mad Mel does deserve to have its own goddamn thing, so I appreciate the person. Was this the same person that sent the Oreos? No, no, no.

My lady actually got this for me. Some guy just made it, and then, you know. Oh, okay. All right, well, if it was the same guy that sent the Oreos, I was about to take everything back. I thought that was Kornacki. Oh, really? I thought that was potentially Kornacki over there.

Put a smart port in front of it. It is Kornacki. Maybe I haven't sent another piece. It could be Kornacki. Mad Mel, though, was one of the most legendary moments I've ever seen in my entire life. Mad Mel probably have a lot to say about what's going on with the Packers in the second goddamn half. Can't wait to chat with Aaron about that.

Congrats on the thing. Thank you. That's not a bobblehead. Is it a bobblehead? No, it is. Oh. I wish the hair. I wish the hair would have went.

When I first saw it, I said, if we could somehow poof that hair out a little bit more. For those that are listening, Ty Schmidt has a doll that just showed up on his desk, and I had no idea. That's just something that you notice whenever, oh, there's a little human standing in front of a guy. F.E. Vlazito's here with a poll. What does your poll say?

Are the Steelers dead? No, 14.8%. And yes, 85.2%. Over 1,000 votes. And the reason why they're dead, everybody's saying, is the Fox, Evan Fox. And Fox knows. He's already penetrated the Steelers building. I mean, the Fox curse has already been there.

But the city of Pittsburgh is fed up with Fox. And the tweets that were being sent last night to Evan Fox were just absolutely legendary. From Frank Frost at I play with trucks. This guy will stomp a mud hole in your ass, by the way. I Play With Trucks. What do you think he does with trucks? Whatever it is, it's tougher than whatever you do. I don't want to know.

He said you're the Adam Cole of PMI. That is true. You stink. Stink. That's a little low. I'm not that much of a scumbag to be Adam Cole. True. And if you move your fan base on to somewhere else,

I assume Frank Cross, who plays with trucks, will come back around. What's another one that was sent about you? At Clarence Theodore IV. So there's been three other Clarence Theodores. I assume they've all accomplished great things. Let's keep the name going. You and Nick Moraldo need to beat Foxy back to Michigan tomorrow,

he says to Tone Diggs. Couldn't beat his ass, Tone. A lot of these had a similar thing where they all wanted uh pain inflicted on foxy foxy what's another one that you got last night it was awesome tone digs might actually kill evan foxy tomorrow on the show but to be honest that'd be more fight than the stealers have shown in three weeks that's a good tweet is that right foxy good point that's from russell russell jensen at rjensen1990.

That kid's only 30 years old. He's talking that type of shit to you, dude. What else is next? At Brian underscore cross says, everyone hates you, Devin Fox. And that's kind of where we'll leave it. Everyone hates Devin Fox in Pittsburgh. But they can't blame Devin Fox. No.

The offense is terrible. That's a bad offense. And they showed old Ben sitting next to Rainey Fichtner and everything like that. I don't know if they were talking or what they were trying to figure out. It's just a terrible offense. Why is it so bad? The run game started going a little bit. It did.

Hey, Benny Snell scored at Nick Marotta. What do you got? Have you ever seen a team go 11-0 and not one rumor, not one whisper, not one sound of their offensive coordinator getting a sniff of a job anywhere else? True else true yeah nobody was talking about randy fichtner potentially getting a head coaching gig but that also we talked to field yates yesterday vanderfield yates mr vanderfield and he told us basically i forced him and i bullied him into saying it basically the unless randy fichtner's agent is going to push that he's going to be a head coach you're probably not going to hear that he's going to be a head coach but you will hear some pundits potentially say that for instance

buffalo bill's offense coordinator probably going to get some looks like they start those conversations nobody has done that with old randy fitner he's just a stooge there to placate ben he's a pawn that's all it is he stinks yeah but tom ben stinks too yeah but how does tomlin feel about that because tomlin doesn't feel like uh it doesn't feel like tomlin's the type of guy who's just going to sit there and be like, yeah, you want Randy? Just keep fucking bearing this franchise. That feels like something Tomlin will end up changing. Don't you think? There was a point

last night where I wished that there was not masks because Tomlin was next to Randy and you could see in his eyes like he was mad. But I really wanted to see the words coming out of his mouth. But then like, Ben's trying to get some balls in during warm-ups and Claypool and Juju are frolicking around the field so this is this is why juju should know that any tweet you put out any tiktok you put out you automatically are just building up ammo for people to blame you

for everybody else's faults do we think it was juju's fault last night they lost last night no you think von hits him less hard if he doesn't dance on a logo no maybe hey hey we don't know might be looking for hey we don't know no but i would assume he still hits him but it is last night was a shit show for i mean and then the cincinnati bangles chopping them on on uh i mean he did the juju dance yvonne knocks it out from pittsburgh tiktok star and then they don't even add espn by the way they just go watch on I mean, he did the juju dance. Yvonne knocks it out from Pittsburgh, TikTok star. And then they don't even add ESPN, by the way. They just go watch on ESPN.

They're probably fed up with the fucking Muppet bullshit, too. Even if I had to guess. What was that? Who knows? I mean, I know that I missed a lot of things in my childhood with Disney movies and all that. I never watched the Muppets. I don't even know. How did that get incorporated into Monday Night Football and the AFC North?

My guess is they saw the tweets last week about the Nickelodeon game being streamed, the slime and SpongeBob and stuff, and they're like, oh, that's a sweet idea. Let's do something like that. No way. Bingo, Muppets. Yes. Do the Muppets exist still?

Do they have a movie coming out? Is there an album coming out? They had some bars there before the game. I heard old buddy spitting some bars with the beard the guy it was like a uh a rendition of monday night football the game but in a christmas jingle i don't know if you guys heard it it was bars it was pretty good i thought this but but they came back by the way commercial break halftime third quarter did the muppets just pay an incredible amount of money to get on this thing? Yeah, it's called the Meta Masterpiece.

They're releasing, and it's coming out on Christmas Day. They must have dropped a lot of money for this. Yeah, but how come they didn't say that ever? Did they even feature Bill and Ernie up in the back? Oh, yeah, the olds were referenced. The olds were referenced a couple times. They got a couple little spotlights, but the Muppets have a movie. This is why they did it, so we were doing it. it so we were just carol yeah so we're doing what they

want us to do i know but by the way it's owned by disney right so everybody's gonna watch it anyways that is a good point though they didn't mention that not once i actually tweeted a couple times like did a muppet have it i didn't know by the way i didn't know what the muppets were because they were singing so i thought they were potentially like are they like do they make music is it a musical their episodes is that really, but there are sing-alongs and stuff like that, I think. Bars from old buddy, but boy, I'm like, what are we doing? Is there nothing else coming out? Can we not put

something else together? Wonder Woman? I don't know. Is Wonder Woman coming out? Who owns Wonder Woman? No, that's Warner Brothers. Is it? Yeah, so you just made something up there. It's on HBO now. I thought it was Marvel. That's on me. it? Yeah so you just made something up there Sorry HBO now You just completely I thought it was Marvel

That's on me But you know what By the way I thought Greasy, Lewis and Steve Did a better job last night Huh? I'll say it Really?

Yeah I'll say it Maybe because I hated Muppets so bad You know what I mean I was just so angry About the Muppets bopping in there And why am I so angry About the Muppets?

I'll tell you why Because the same people That made the decision On who goes in there and told me that I didn't have enough coots for the booth, they're doing that thinking it's hilarious. And maybe it's just me being a hater. But if they would have said, hey, we've got something coming out on Christmas,

it's like, okay, all right. Makes sense. At least this makes sense. I didn't even know that until this was Zito had to break the news for me because they were just shoving the Muppets down our goddamn throat last night. But I will say, I think I was enjoying the game a lot more, just strictly because I saw all of Pittsburgh just kind of burn and die. You know what I mean?

And Zach Taylor, that guy, everybody was wondering if he could ever win a football game. I mean, last year he tried to win, this year he's tried to win. Hasn't done it on a regular occasion at all. Cincinnati Bengals don't even have a practice facility. It's December 22nd, it's cold as shit outside. They won against the Steelers. Maybe that's why it was such an enjoyable experience for me last night. The broadcast was good.

I was so mad. I turned off the sound after the first eight minutes, after the, I don't know, the 13th punt. There was a lot of punts early, by the way. Congrats on your bet. Congrats. Come on, Tony. Yeah, I thought they were okay.

It's going to be tough preparing for Monday Night Football when you're interviewing for all these GM jobs. Louis Rake, by the way, congrats to him. I hope he gets a gig. A former player getting a general manager job is good for everybody. I like a good football player up there at the top. You know what I mean? Swinging a hammer.

Chopping a swing of the axe. Bring your playbook. You're fucking out. That whole thing. That'd be good to have. I thought they were good last night, though, I think. I think they were. I didn't see the internet going.

A lot of Muppet talk on the internet. Yeah, that's the thing. The Muppets did a real number on everybody, and then by the time they got to the broadcast, it was like, you know what? Fuck it. We've given it to these guys for 14 weeks. Tonight's about how much we hate the Muppets.

So maybe the Muppets were like the sleight of hand. Yeah, exactly. I think they got to do that every time now. Smart. Lead off with some stupid shit. I guess whenever I have a kid, you know, I'll understand the Spongebob shit and all this. What are we doing? They're watching this game alone, these kids?

Or are you forcing the parents to watch alongside? I think it's that one. Why are you punishing parents? I don't know, man. You got to get the next generation of kids to be football fans, though. You know what I mean? But don't forget that game exists what one swipe of a any social media how dumb do they think kids are it's like hey let's just put a pair of googly eyes on patrick mohomes these kids are gonna fucking love it i mean hey we all love football hey it's christmas season and we are being a little bit negative but it's about time like these are some fucking

stupid ideas aren't are they not Are they not? I mean, these are some dumb ideas. Come on. We grew up, we love football. Love football. Football, we watch people getting their necks snapped. Hey, guess what? Guess what it did to us? This. Right here. Hell yeah. I don't want to know the football

fan that has to grow up on Spongebob field goal posts. Well, it's just I don't understand it and these people are making these decisions by the way are making so much money that are making these decisions it's like come on come on but hey we will have somebody watch the spongebob game probably mitt and mitt will report back to us that's when's that in a couple weeks right that's awesome dude to be honest, not enough Patrick. I mean, if they're sliming Greasy and Levy in the booth,

then that's one thing. It's Nate Burleson. It's not even the Monday Night Football crew. No, no. It's Nate. It's the NFL Network. I think it's NFL, by the way. Not like ESPN is doing this. It's the NFL.

It's Nate Burleson. Maybe Vaughn Miller. Really? I don't know. I saw a couple names get tossed out there. Vaughn the host? No, I think Nate's the host. It's Nate Burleson, maybe Vaughn Miller. Really? I don't know. I saw a couple of names get tossed out there. Vaughn the host? No, I think Nate's the host. Oh.

By the way, Nate did a good job hosting CBS last week. Happy for him. Good morning football, by the way. Toe drag swag. And he is a rapper.

Yes, he is. And his 2020 recap rap is one that I cannot wait for. I wonder if he'll mumble rap in there just because that seems to be the new trend of everybody. I can't rap, but I'll put words and sounds together that make no sense.

What's that, Diggs? The play-by-play will be Noah Eagle, which is Iron Eagle's son. The analysts will be Nate Burleson and Nick Starr, Gabrielle, Nevaeh Green. They should have kids do it. He's a child. Is that a child? I can look him up. Iron Eagle's kid is probably a kid? He's a child. Oh, he's an actual kid? Is that a child? I have to look him up. Iron Eagle's kid, probably a kid, right?

A child? He does basketball. Yeah, I think he just graduated from Syracuse or something. Oh, nice. Nepotism just handed a job. Yeah, basically. Oh, good. I'm sure he's great.

Let's go to Kyle in Canada. What's going on, Kyle? Hey, Pat. How's it going, bud? Not too shabby. Thanks for calling in again. Can't wait to chat with you. What do you want to talk about, pal?

Well, I'm just glad I'd be able to pick up your show in my region. Well, Canada, Indiana is a pretty big region, but it's not a bad one. They have their different accents. They love maple syrup, and you can't skate on ponds there. You skate on ponds there, the moose police will come out, and they'll slaughter you and kick you out of there. They'll fucking ragdoll you right off the rink, pal. Right there in Canada, Indiana. Make sure you stay off the ponds, okay? Don kick you out of there. That old fucking rag doll. You're right off the rink, pal. Right there in Candley, Indiana.

Make sure you stay off the ponds, okay? Don't even think about it. I just want to say it was an honor getting cut off for Stone Cold, and I wonder if I could tell you a little story about some kids who were impersonating Stone Cold in my middle school. Well, Kyle, I have about 100% feeling that this story is going to suck, but let's go for it. All right.

Well, you know, like, for whatever reason, a bunch of crazy kids end up at one school. Well, there was, like, a group of grade 8s when I was in grade 7, that, like, their entire mission was, like, stone cold stunt every kid in the entire school that was in grade 7. And they were, like, plucking kids at, like,

morning, lunch, and after school. So, like, some kids were getting stunned, like, three times a day. And depending on how you look doing it, they would, like, turn into a full-bl a day. And depending on how you look doing it, they would like turn into a full blown match. And then I failed grade seven. That's probably why. Not a bad story, Kyle.

I mean, there's no reason to tell that on this regional show, but that's not a bad story. You know what I mean? Really? Back in the day, there was a lot of stunning going on. Oh yeah. I used to do, well, at the time it was uh dd uh t's uh ddp's diamond cutter that used to come out of nowhere british bulldog uh the bulldog as well used to get that

uh nowadays i assume the rko but boy teachers hated it they did not understand a good work you know apparently they weren't watching i don't know how far back in the day were you doing that you go straight back to the fucking I think we're doing it in elementary school I think Holiday Park Yeah, that's probably the right age to be doing that Oh, you're saying grade 7, grade 8? Well, no, Nick was doing that to me four years ago

Every single time we went out on the south side Nick literally just did that to me last week He did, yeah Stunner? He lifted me up One time he did to me and I got so mad i just took my entire beer and just poured it on his head whoa that was a shoot bro okay he was in the luxury box of pirate game he got a little embarrassed by the way not a bad thing to do with your friends

doesn't matter what grade you're in apparently just random wrestling moves by the way needs to happen again the rko started coming out of nowhere you know what i mean which is the old diamond cutter but the but it's a little bit i guess it's flatter right it's a little bit more attack there is subtle differences i guess and randy has made it obviously awesome and he let a motherfucker on fire the other night so i mean randy orton goat talk in that that whole thing but those aren't bad thing to do how How about tombstone somebody? Yeah, see, that's one he should stay away from. Yeah, that's a little dangerous.

Yeah, I can't believe Mongo McMichael had that as his finisher, by the way. You ever throw a super kick in the hallway? Oh, I super kicked an equipment manager in the Colts locker room one time, and he was in on it, but nobody else was, and he sold that son of a bitch. Oh, nice. He went into a laundry basket. Oh, wow. It was awesome.

Laundry's done. I think we have it on film. It was pretty. We set up like a camera, and like a couple people walked by, and then all of a sudden he was just like, you know, that whole thing, and I came flying out of nowhere. And by the way, this is happening while the rest of the team's watching film. I'm setting up these shoots.

So that's why every time you hear an NFL guy bash a kicker and punter, I'm cool with it. Like, hey, I get it. Because while you were, you know, studying whatever blitz the package they were coming, I was setting up a goddamn camera to switch in music and equipment guy. But it was pretty good. He sold that thing.

He went flopping up over that thing. Somebody was like, is everything okay? Is everything okay? Everything's great, pal. Will you wheel him the fuck out of here? The man's got to work here soon, so let's get right into it. Joining us now is a man who's our MVP, not only on the field, but off the field. Super Bowl champion and legend of a man.

And alongside him, another legend and Super Bowl champion. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers and A.J. Hawk. Thank you for joining us, boys. Great to see you. Aaron Rodgers Tuesday is always a beautiful thing. But today, and I had saved this until now, because I think you two will be able to give a little bit more of a personal side of this thing. Let me lead off here. When I was a kid uh my parents took

me to steelers training camp okay as a little child love love going to steelers training camp you know get the sun on my face my parents enjoyed us got us out of the house and they didn't have to pay attention to us for a while and afterwards there was always a signing that happened or pictures taking and kevin green was the last guy that was there the day one of the days that i went and i never asked for pictures with anybody. My dad or my brother, somebody was like, oh, go get a picture with that guy. Take a picture with him. He was so nice.

He high-fived me. And then I kind of like became a fan from that day forward. And I never got to know him personally. But anytime I watched him on the field, he was electric. In wrestling, he was magnetic. Off the field, I've heard these incredible stories. Yesterday, he passes away. Rest in peace to a legend

i know he won a super bowl in green bay with you too aaron i'll lead off with you obviously rest in peace to an absolute living legend huh kevin green yeah it's um it was the second coach that uh has passed this year that has been a part of our staff over the years john rushing who was with us for a number of years. And I spent a lot of time with John as he was an offensive assistant for a long time. He passed earlier this year. And then yesterday I got some texts from some former coaches as well

who alerted me. KG was one of those special guys, man. Just loved having him around. There's so many stories um of him you know age used to always uh joke with him about doing a bunch of roids back in the day being a wrestler but at his heart man he's such a such a great human i mean he's such a sweet sweet guy intense you know always talking about cobra strike and you know he got that voice and he's basically he was taking you know his

personality it seemed like in the in the ring was the exact same personality that he coached with and and just as a sweet guy he used to love like playing pre-practice catch with me and matt flynn and i remember especially in 2010 he would get that get out there early and love playing catch with matt and he would commentate the entire thing like you know like nice shot like oh sweet everything was the sweetest ever oh if i didn't catch him it broke my face you know he's just literally a kid in a candy store playing pre-practice catch with matt flynn and i used to just love to get out there just watch him and just listen to what he was saying but he was instrumental in the in what we did that year a fun guy. We used to go back and forth and give each other shit

and inside jokes at practice. But just so much fun to be around. Great wife who sang the anthem at our stadium a few times, got to know his kids, especially Gavin. Gavin was working in the equipment room a couple of the training camps. You know, definitely will miss him and and it's definitely a big loss for the sports world and for for anybody who was around kevin just knows how special he was by the way it feels like and thank you for that i just felt like i got to

learn it feels like yesterday although everybody was sad there was just like these incredible stories coming out of it from the wrestling world people were like man when he was around just everybody was lifted aj was he a hands-on coach with you day to day well so kg coached outside backers so i was playing inside in the three four so i actually was able to become i think closer with him because he wasn't my direct like position coach you know that pat how you can see have like a better not better but in the moment because he's not the guy grading my film but in kg sat right next to me so I was on the aisle of our defensive meeting room. He sat in a chair on the steps right next to me, and just he would always lean over.

He loved finding things that nobody else would see, like on film. Like in practice, if I went downhill and dug out a polar or something and blasted him, but then somebody else made the player in a game, he would just lean over like, A to the J. I saw that he called me a to the j for whatever reason and i loved it it was the greatest thing ever but uh yeah it's he's such a rare dude to mix like a hall of fame player and he's also like the most high character dude on the planet it's just uh it's unreal like it's terrible it sucks like his

family's amazing i remember his wife singing the anthem kg was saluting i think he was crying a little bit like yeah just overall one of the best humans ever all right well rest in peace to kg job well done it sounds like from every human in every single particular part of the world that met him uh i wish i got a chance to be in a locker room with a man that had to 8 to the J. I saw that. Like, I wish I could have been there for that. That would have been incredible. Aaron, short week here with the holiday.

We appreciate you joining us. No time's going to come up pretty quick here. But I wanted to talk to you about a couple things that happened on Saturday. Was Saturday game weird at all? Changed your life at all last week? I mean, it was strange. It was a short week, and the defense that we played was a different alignment than, I mean, most teams

you're going to see in the league. A lot of dime personnel, a lot of 3-3-5 kind of set some weird fronts and really making it hard on your points in the run game, and their plan was to take Devontae out. They didn't really single him out much of the game, for really making it hard on your points in the run game. And their plan was to take Devontae out. They didn't really single him out much of the game. So, you know, we ran the ball really well.

Jonesy had a big game. We just hit a low there in the third quarter and couldn't quite get things back going. But, you know, it's a good win for us. Any win at this point in the season is important. We, you know, obviously got some help from the Jets and the Chiefs over the weekend. And we have a lot to play for the last couple weeks. You guys did drop in the power rankings.

I want to let you know you just did. I mean, you might have got some help from those two teams, but you guys dropped in the power rankings. One more quick one here. The belt came back. Yeah! I mean, not a lot of enthusiasm, but the belt did come back while you were getting crowned.

So I want to let you know just a big thank you to me before AJ gets to his question. I want to go to the belt. What made you bring it back? Like, okay, did you think of Pat or Nick or anyone, any of the boys, maybe Ty when you did the belt or before? Yeah, definitely Ty. You know, I think there's been some conversation on the squad

about my rushing touchdown from the previous week and how, you know, guys give me some shit for being too tired to, you know, really celebrate it all. So this week I wasn't as tired. It was a shorter drive and a shorter run. You know, I realized moving in the pocket and there was nobody around. So I felt like that could be a good time to do some. I was running kind of all over the place.

I thought I had a run solution on one play and it turned into like a QB lead draw. And if Jonesy had made a block, I might have scored. I might have been 50-yard rushing. I thought AJ was going to ask you about this immediately upon seeing it on television. You just can eat those smelling salts, huh? You had one, maybe the closest I've ever seen one to somebody's nose,

and your face didn't change at all. Normally the eyes go, the whole face goes. You seem to just be like, yeah, yeah, all right, that's good, and then just walk out there. Is that an every game tradition, and how can you just eat ammonia like that? Well, you know, Pat, I'm sure, because because you probably snorted some of those over the years but uh each one is a little different you know some of the ones are really really strong and you can barely get it up to your nose and you're just you know and then some of them you can't they don't have the same type of potency

so it just depends that one probably didn't have a lot of potency but most of the time you're really whoa you know really kind of waking up on this. I only do those every now and then when maybe it spends a little bit of time on the bench or something. I need a little wakey-wake. How you doing? Keep it moving, especially with no crowd. I would assume the ammonia has been a tag team for a lot more people than expected.

Ty's got a great question. I'm pumped for this answer, too, by the way. Yeah, Aaron, we all saw that Z'Dar smith got press and smith a new car uh were you like kind of orchestrating that like so that you could maybe we can it's like hey box you already stopped being a cheapskate you see what these guys are doing maybe get me my car for christmas uh not necessarily but indirectly i think it's really helped me uh just the added pressure that's put on on dave uh i will say it's been great to see that uh rekindling of the smiths you know they they used to do every press conference together they're the smiths bros and then you know p's been giving uh z some shit about not doing the

interviews together anymore it's because of zoom and then and i guess they're asking p too much about why he was dropping you dropping more than he wanted to. So they stopped doing interviews together. But I think everything is really good now, and they're definitely gelling together after that car thing. And I think it's just an example of what it can do for relationships when somebody spends a little bit of money on their teammates. Well, and that's something to talk to your – you should definitely think about. And I think that's a good example by your teammates to lead into this giving season especially if you're the highest paid guy ever at your position and that's just something that to think about let's talk about a guy though that kind of got screwed in the back big bob tunyon you know what i mean i don't believe

in pro bowl snubs specifically because if you believe in those then you believe in the pro bowl to begin with and if you put too much power in fake awards you know you can't really and I've been snubbed enough to get to this point right it had to happen a couple different times where I was like all right this is all bullshit if I didn't make it and you kind of get to that at some point but as a younger guy trying to make his name a Pro Bowl is a big deal for a guy Big Bob Tunyon has had a hell of a year 10 tuds the whole thing he didn't make it but I would assume you're telling him like it does not matter let's just go ahead and win a Super Bowl instead is that your message for Big Bob that would be I mean I haven't talked to him about it yet I think I was surprised by Elton making it not because you deserve it just because

young guys don't usually make it in the year they should make it a lot of times because they might not have the same name recognition that is that is needed to get in and you see that every single year there's there's guys who make it based on the meritocracy and guys who make it based on their name recognition. And I don't understand, you know, why Bob didn't get in. It was, in my opinion, a no-brainer, especially, you know, they're getting NFC and there's a lot of good tight ends. But with Kittle being out most of the season

and then Bob's numbers this year having 10 touchdowns and playing so consistently for us every week i thought he might even be the starter uh so yeah i'm bummed out for him because the individual awards are you know they do feel good even if it's the pro bowl obviously the all pro is you know it's a little sweeter just ask buck about that i think but but the pro bowl especially uh you know for young guys being able to go out there for the first time, is pretty sweet. There's no game this year, but Robert definitely deserved it.

Hey, do you feel like you are solely responsible for landing Scott Staff that role as Frank Sinatra in the upcoming Ronald Reagan biopic? Comeback season for Scott Staff. Comeback season. I mean, what a great year, right?

Like a lot of pub with the, you know, the recycling of that halftime show that he did. Kyle Brandt had him on his podcast. A lot of people got to see, you know, how my man is doing now in 2020, like 20 years from being the guy in all of America. And now he's going to play Sinatra. Come on.

I mean, it's been a tough year for a lot of people. Scott Staff's not one of them. Before we let you go, and he can't thank you enough, do you view yourself kind of like a stand-up comedian? No. Okay, let me tell you why. Your delivery of the same answers numerous times has been amazing to watch on an nfl instagram live it was unbelievable you hit a home run on there with k by the way i

watched that whole interview i was so damn impressed by both of you guys well i'm not a i'm not a repeating robot uh cliche written interview and that's i think that's why some people enjoy this show you guys enjoy having why some people enjoy this show. You guys enjoy having me on. I enjoy this show because it's way more than what you usually get from some of the interview-type shows. But Kay is really good. I mean, I think they do a great job, and I meant what I said about I think the beauty in their show, and I love all four of them, is that they really do use positivity.

I think the beauty in their show, and I love all four of them, is that they really do use positivity. In a world where negativity sells, they consistently use positivity to highlight people and don't need to thrash people or, you know, go after people to try and get clicks. And I think there's a lot to be said for that. And I did appreciate, you know, that interview with her. And, you know, I think that's what people ultimately want to see. You know, they don't want to see a bunch of, like, one game at a time, take care of things out of control. You know, they want to see some authenticity and some realness, and I appreciate the opportunity, like I do every single week on this one.

But negativity sells. And I don't know if you saw it, but I saw a little four-minute video that Dana White put out today. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think some of the points that he highlighted besides obviously the fact that ufc's had a good year but negativity is at the heart of way too much uh media coverage and that's why um i do appreciate uh you know good morning football that's why i love what you guys do in your show because you don't need to

bash people or slam people or have a 30-minute pitch sesh. I buried the Muppets. You pick a side and H takes a side and Ty has a side and one of the other boys has a side. You just go round and round and round. I think it's beautiful that we can talk about things. We can highlight great humans and do it in a way that can still get people to watch the show and enjoy it and love it. that can still get people to watch the show and enjoy it and love it. I think that that's what we need more of in society is more, you know, positivity and love and less, you know, clickbait and negativity and slamming people to try and, you know,

get people to watch a snippet of your video. So kudos to you guys, your staff. Obviously, I have a lot of respect for both you two gentlemen and the boys. And, you know in a christmas year coming off of thanksgiving where i think it's important to really think about the blessings that we do have and not focus on what we don't have i am very thankful for you guys for this show for the opportunity to have this tuesday the entire year it's been so much fun for me and i'm not going to say that it's the reason why we've played so well

and I've had a good season, but I can definitely say that it's been a positive contributor the entire year, and I do have a lot of thanks and gratitude for that. Aaron, thank you, Aaron. No, no, no. Don't you thank us. Thank you, Aaron. Okay, thank you for coming on the show.

We appreciate you on here. I feel like I've learned so much about not only you, but life and football. And the negative way is easy, by the way. It's a pretty easy, like people think it's like what we do is the easiest thing. And I do hear this from executives in the world about how whenever you try to be funny or upbeat

or entertaining, like that's an easy way to do it. Whenever you go do the professional, like that shit's easy. So whenever people start taking the negative route just know that that's them taking the easy way out as opposed to highlighting things that are positive and making riveting content and every single tuesday you come on here the whole world reacts to it because of how incredible you are so thank you for coming on our show and as a follow-up do you think that because you care about winning the m award that the Packers are potentially going to lose football games I mean it is embarrassing to think like that you care about winning the MVP

and said it would be cool so that's how this conversation ends for sure dude see ya yeah sorry for caring that happened that happened last week by the way have a great practice we appreciate the hell out of you man Merry

Christmas Happy Holidays we'll see you next week good luck thanks guys love you guys and hope I get my vanquish so hey we love you

too man by the way him getting attacked for saying it would be cool to win the MVP it was one of the most awesome things I've ever seen this fucking guy can for saying it would be cool to win the MVP. It was one of the most awesome things I've ever seen.

This fucking guy can't say it'd be cool to win the MVP. It'd feel good to win the MVP. And now they're talking about, does he care if the Packers win? Whoa, what a wild time to be alive. AJ, KG was a cool dude, huh? Yeah, he's the man. Like, absolutely the man. I sent him a, when he got inducted into the Hall of Fame, I sent him – I had this big knife, and I had it made.

I had it engraved with two Cobras striking each other, and then his Hall of Fame number underneath and his name and everything. And he was so juiced. I sent it down to Florida where he was living. A to the J, man. That's awesome. That knife with the Cobras. He was just –

I used to rough him up. I used to rough him up on the sidelines because he'd always be the first one out there to celebrate like after a big three and out or something and i would run over and start like forearm her in the neck and arms just rough him up and then he'd see that i are we are we gonna do this like and then afterwards like a to the j you're gonna bruise me man man. You've got to stop. He's the man. Everything about him.

...now is a man who's a CBS NFL color commentator. This past week, he had the Patriots and the Dolphins. The man holds a football whenever he's speaking at halftime because he knows that sport so damn well. One of the voices of Madden, ladies and gentlemen, Charles Davis. Hey! How you doing? Hey! How are you, bud?

How are you guys? Happy holidays, first of all, to everyone. Hold on. Merry Christmas coming up. If you celebrated Hanukkah, I hope Hanukkah was wonderful. And real quick before we begin, I love the Arby's stuff. And you talk about those bricks that is so cool because you know what it reminded me of pat go ahead karen asking henry

for a stack to go shopping oh geez you remember yes okay now by the way i thought we're talking i thought that was potentially a biblical story. It's the complete opposite, actually. I get it. The timing's right. It's a biblical story. There should be some frankincense and myrrh. But I'm going with Goodfellas. Trying to make it a Christmas movie, apparently.

Remember what he said here? And she was like, another stack. Well, and also, you know, it's been following me all day, Karen. And he was right, by the way. People thought he was freaking out. That helicopter was following him around. And also, an Irish guy getting into the mob. Love Goodfellas, all right?

It's a great movie. Great flick. Can we talk about what's behind you? Do you have the most decorated office for the holidays out of anybody? My wife and sister-in-law put this together every year, Pat. We love the holidays. And we realized 2020 has been brutal for so many people. And we consider ourselves extremely fortunate that we can have this holiday, be together. And I remember a few years ago, Jerry Jones, I heard him talk one time about building

AT&T Stadium, Cowboy Stadium. And that was during the Depression. And people were telling him, you got to scale back, got to scale back. And he told us, he said, when people struggle, when the world's struggling, people want nice things anyway. And he built it bigger. He went against the grain and made it bigger and more opulent and nicer because people actually crave those sorts of things if they can actually get to them. And when I was listening to it, I was like, where is he? And then you realize he actually tapped into the right vein.

People want to do nice things for themselves to feel better during a very difficult time. So my wife and sister-in-law put this together every year. We have every variety of Santa Claus youus you can have where's the drunk one probably don't have is korean jesus from from 21 jump street that's about it it looks beautiful tell your wife and your sister-in-law they did an incredible job i enjoy the the spirit you've brought to this conversation already every time we talk to you. And we'll start talking about the NFL and all the playoff predicaments that could potentially happen over the next couple weeks. But first, I want to talk to you because every time you come on, I forget to ask you about it and I get so mad. When they cut to you at halftime, you're always sitting there, good lean.

By the way, you have a good lean on the desk. It's a good athletic lean. And then you're holding the football. And as you come on camera, you turn the football away. You don't hold the laces. It's like you lean on the desk. It's a good athletic lean. And then you're holding the football. And as you come on camera, you turn the football away. You don't hold the laces. It's like you're hiding the thing. Do you hold that football the entire game? And do you realize that you turn the football while you're doing it?

And why do you do it? I don't hold the football the entire game. I only hold it for the on cameras after the open. Like we do the open, no football. And then halftime or post game or if we ever come on again i typically have the football it's just more of a prop almost and the reason i'm turning it i'm sure is unconscious i think that's part of you know my my nerves dissipating into me turning the football i think that's where it goes you remember the name gil hodges yes the manager of the mets when they won the the first world series the miracle mets that's where it goes you remember the name gil hodges yes the manager of the mets when they

won the the first world series the miracle mets that's not who i thought it was whenever you said that name but that is who that is okay right he he yawned a lot and the theory was that his yawning was his outlet for his nerves and that's how that's how and i think for me twisting the football is probably more like that i can't twist it like the hefty lefty there in front of you, Jared Lorenzen. Rest in peace, legend. Rest in peace. And I actually did some of his games in college. He legitimately scored on a quarterback sneak against Georgia from about the 10-yard line.

Legit quarterback sneak, not quarterback draw. Sneak from about the 10 and carried a lot of Bulldogs into the end. They didn't win that day, but he carried a bunch of guys with him. Cincinnati Bearcats are going to do that to Georgia in just a few days. Cincinnati Bearcats about to get a big dub over the Georgia Bulldogs. Let's talk about football. By the way, I thought you spun it because a sponsor got mad at you because there wasn't a certain ball.

I'm happy to hear that's not the case. I'm going to come to you to learn how to properly spin it oh yeah come on to make sure it's it's the right way for for for the guy knocking it through the post well we should well listen lace is always out that's on the long snapper too you should know that as a commentator by the way long snappers job to get the laces holders job get the laces right yep bingo so yell at the long snapper next time and i appreciate you do the games well, but you should potentially just sit in there and just, I mean, go ahead and flex that thing. Well, I think in the first

half, you know, the quarterback couldn't do any of this. I mean, they were just throwing a ball in the ground. If you think about it, I mean, it's a real problem. All right, let's talk about football here. Last night, Steelers lose to the Bengals. They, have you ever seen a team look that bad after going on a run like that?

11 games won, and not every game was pretty. They were winning some games ugly, but it's hard to win in the NFL. The team had a lot of swag. The early bye week, I think, is coming into play here. I think they're a bit exhausted and tired, but there's no swag. There's no confidence. There's no energy. There's no nothing from that team.

It feels like they're potentially dead, Charles, and that's a shame. Yeah, and it's hard to even say that because of the way they carry themselves as a team, as an organization. No better swag coach than Mike Tomlin leading you. Yeah. But things flipped on them very, very fast. Early in the season, they ran the heck out of the football. They ran it well.

They ran it in late-game situations to close people out, and all of a sudden, can't run the football. Ben has thrown the football well. At one point, he was a legit MVP candidate. Ball was out of his hands faster than it's ever been before. Receivers were taking it. But they also threw it downfield, Pat. We're not seeing them run it now, and I'm not seeing the ball downfield now so it's two

things going along with that so that's where i see that happening the defensive side look remember that baltimore game the you know the first one they legitimately got outplayed in so many phases but they took the ball away four times and then made the play they had to make it down the stretch to knock the ball free because that's who they are. As you said, not all of them were pretty, but they found ways to win. They almost look gassed right now, and I think you were on to something about the open week. Remember, their original open week got messed up because of Tennessee.

Remember the COVID there? So everything had to change then. And then the next thing you know, you've got the Baltimore situation, and then the game thing you know, you've got the Baltimore situation. And then the game gets pushed to Wednesday. I think that that takes its toll on you as much mentally as it does physically. And it'll be interesting to see if they can get any kind of mojo going because Indianapolis visits this week. And we could potentially have them at Cleveland for the division title in week 17.

Yeah, the Cleveland Browns could lose that game be 11 and 5 and not make the playoffs which would be wild it digs laughs there as a Steelers fan but they always talk about and everybody talks about how football players are routine like routine based animals you know what I mean like that's what we are whenever we get in there we just need a routine what do we got next okay let's do that let's do that so even if the COVID protocols are in there all right I'm getting'm getting tested at this time. Then I get this meeting. You can add that into your routine. For the Steelers, they didn't know it was a bye week until Friday,

I think, of that first week. And then they're like, oh, you go home now and go ahead and take a sleep. You have a game on Sunday. No, now it's on Monday. Now it's on Tuesday. I do believe that is potentially exhausting. I do. Hey, you get paid a lot of money. Hey, you get to play a kids game. Okay okay so go out

there and play yeah figure it out but these are humans you know and that's potentially what they got going on over there how many times can you ramp up mentally to go out there without it starting to affect you and it and it does but the beauty of pittsburgh you never hear that out of them mike tommy's not going to permit it that team's not going to permit it all they're talking about is we've got to find a way to get this turned around i am not betting against them getting it turned around but it looks dire right now because earlier in the season when they weren't running the football they were still winning games and they were like hey when we throw the little short passes we run the jet sweeps that's part of our running game i don't think we can use i don't think they can use

that part anymore. They legitimately don't have a consistent running game and they've got to have it because they've got to start taking some pressure off of Ben in the short passing game. Alright, Charles, let's talk about the teams that are definitely going to be in the conversation here. Chiefs, Packers, Ravens,

maybe the Ravens, I guess at this point, but Chiefs, Packers, Saints,, you know, maybe the Ravens, I guess at this point, but Chiefs, Packers, Saints, you know, teams that are going to be in there. Who do you think is going to end up? You know, the Chiefs are the easy answer here because they can just turn it on and beat anybody at any point. But who do you think is really a team that has a chance to get up in there and make a run?

You've got to remember, Titans last year came out of nowhere. Titans beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Then they have the lead on the Chiefs, and they up losing that game but it was still a surprising thing that kind of propelled them into this year what teams do you think you got a chance to really make a run at this thing Charles let's start on the AFC side pad and you mentioned Kansas City and one note of caution with them and it's only a note of caution because I think they're as good as there is right now yeah but I think their last six ball games have been really about six-point games. Yeah, they don't come.

You know, they haven't been just flat-out bluffs. Now, the Miami game may be a little weird because they were jumping on them and Miami made the rush late. But you know what I'm talking about. The beauty for them is they've shown they can win those tight games. Now, the team I would be most concerned about on the AFC side is if Baltimore gets in. Because if they get in, their back being the Ravens,

I feel like they're getting that back where it's almost like earlier in the year we're going to throw the ball more so we can be prepared for the playoffs and we're going to do this. And now they're like, forget that. We've got to get in. Lamar, go. J.K., go. Mark, go.

Gus, go. And Calais Campbell got healthy. Defense is going to be better. And their schedule down the stretch tells me that they should finish 11-5 and press someone for that playoff spot. They would be the team I would think no one wants to play. And the second team like that to me is Tennessee. Because it's not just Derrick Henry running it.

Ryan Tannehill could throw it and beat you that way too. And that's different than what it's been before for them. The AFC has a lot of good – Buffalo Bills, obviously a great squad. It's a loaded side, isn't it? Indianapolis Colts are starting to – You should make a case. Yeah, the Indianapolis – Make a case you don't want to play any of those teams, really.

You could actually make that case like every single one of them I could tell you, yeah, I don't know if you really want to play them right now because they're doing this, this, and this. I'm loving what I'm seeing from the AFC side The Raiders team, I think, is a team that's just teetering They're in the hunt But I don't know that any of us are convinced That they can get there at this point

Hey, that Ravens team you talked about There's a team that was confident, by the way It's like their swag is back That might sound like something that's so shallow But whenever I watch a game and watch a team I want to see how they're interacting with each other I want to see the energy level That might sound like something that's so shallow, but whenever I watch a game and watch a team, I want to see how they're interacting with each other. I want to see the energy level,

because that's telling me what's going on behind closed doors with that team. And whenever you see a team that's back, like the Ravens seem to be back. They seem like the team that they were last year, and that's a problem for a lot of people. Pat, I love that observation, and I'm going to follow it with this one des bryant felt like a little bit of a gimmick in the beginning okay let's bring des back and you know he didn't make it the first time because he wasn't in shape and now we're giving him a chance if he catches a ball hooray that's great but did you see the reaction when he scored the other day yeah yeah it was

awesome did you see it all of a sudden everybody's throwing? Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Did you see? And all of a sudden, everybody's throwing the X up. He's not just the guy who's out there now to, hey, I made it back and my kids saw me play. He's a legitimate guy. Let's go goodfellas. He already was a made man, right? So he's a made man, which to me benefits Mark Andrews at tight end, which benefits Hollywood Brown at wide receiver. And, of course, that running game is consistent now, more than consistent now.

So, yeah, it's a big deal, and they've got their energy, and you can see it's fully flowing right now. And I'd be stunned if they don't finish 11-5. Everybody else, you better win your games down the stretch because Baltimore gets in. Woo, that's going to be fun to watch. I agree. The thought of Baker Mayfield walking in there and going,

I don't shine shoes no more. It's just such a funny, because that Browns team seems very different, but that Steelers game, last game of the year, is going to mean a lot. They could be 11-5 and not make the playoffs because of how loaded the AFC is. Now on the NFC side, Green Bay Packers seem to be a team on the offensive side

that are the most consistent. I don't know if anybody can stop them. It feels like they can go whatever they want, even though the second half of last week's game wasn't fantastic. It feels like their offensive, like the Chiefs, it's like, is their defense good enough, though? Then you start questioning the rest of the NFC. Are the Saints defense what they are all the time or what they were against the Eagles? So I feel like with the defense the Saints have, it feels like that team is a safe run if you want to go. But there's a lot of offenses that can go in the NFC. There are, and, you know, I'll get off of the –

I'll go to where the wild card teams are. Despite the fact that Los Angeles had one of the most stunning losses we've seen last week with the Jets. Hey, Charles, Charles, if you're the Jets, by the way, and you hear the opposing team's coach say, I'm embarrassed, I'm sick to my stomach because we lost to that team, is that not just one of the biggest slaps in the face of all time? I am sick to my stomach that we lost to them.

You're talking about taking your joy from that win, right? Like what? They're embarrassed. What? We're an NFL team, you know? But what I mean with the Rams is Sean McVay has no ego in calling a game. And what I mean by that is a lot of play callers, as you know, Pat, I think we've talked about it before, they've got their play sheet in front of them.

It looks like something from the Cheesecake Factory, right? Great restaurant. Deep, deep. I love the Cheesecake Factory. The portions, of course, are not good for my waistline, but I love the portions. There's many corn dogs, too. The bottom line is, if it's on that sheet, a lot of guys,

I got to call it because I put it on here. If he sees something working, he'll just stay with it. If we're going to run the ball and stay with it, Cam Akers coming into his own now, the whole deal. Where's Green Bay going to have the most trouble as we saw last year? Teams that are committed and will stay with running the football because that's what put them out of the playoffs last year when San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan said,

well, you're not stopping it, so I will have Jimmy Garoppolo throw less than 10 times and I'll go to a Super Bowl. That's where the concern would be still for me with Green Bay. Wouldn't you fix that in the offseason? That's really it. I think the Rams could consistently run it. Charles.

I don't know that New Orleans would stay with it. Charles. New Orleans. Wouldn't you fix that in the offseason if you're the Packers, by the way? They didn't draft it. You could, though. We spent so much time talking about a receiver for Rodgers, and they drafted Jordan Love.

Tell me where they drafted linemen on the defensive side of the ball. Well, how about Patrick Queen? He was still sitting there, too. He could have got Patrick Queen who was making plays. But big people up front to help Kenny Clark I thought was a must. I didn't see it. Now, Aaron Rodgers is making up for it. He's the best perfume I've seen in a long time.

He's got the overachieve gap because he makes up for so many things, and he is playing at a monster level right now. in the long run. He's got the ownership gap because he makes up for so many things, and he is playing at a monster level right now. I just think they're the favorite. To me, they're the favorite because we saw them go to New Orleans and win this year. Seattle doesn't run it like they used to. That would concern me. If Seattle was the old Seattle running the ball,

that would concern me if I were Green Bay. But I think it's a much better match for them now. But Tampa Bay, circle them, and if that defense and pressure comes at you, that's going to be a lot of fun to see what happens. And, of course, Kyler Murray in Arizona, they are the Baltimore on the NFC side with the quarterback run game. Well, yeah, I think they are, but they seem to be so inconsistent hit or miss. They are, but you know how it is, Pat, in the playoffs.

Get hot. Hit or miss. Yeah, you're 100% right. Anybody can lose there. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, it feels like, what was it? I guess like seven weeks ago at this point. But that defense was, we were talking about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense as if like, hey, Todd Bowles got them boys playing.

They're a problem. But if they don't get pressure on the quarterback, the secondary can't keep up. So it all revolves around whether or not you have a good offensive line. Packers have, at this point, very good offensive line. Bakhtiari actually got hurt in that game, by the way. He was out against the Packers when he beat the Packers. I mean, there's just so much to digest in this.

The playoffs are going to be awesome this year. Connor, what do you got? Yeah, Charles, now that the Jets have won a game and lost the first pick, do you think it's the smartest move for them to stick with Darnold or to take Fields at number two? I would take another quarterback at two and press it. You know, if you have that kind of a grade on him, you've got to do it. Now, whoever they hire, and I hate saying this because, you know,

Adam Gase is still in the job, but I'm not going to be that naive and say that that's not a strong possibility. Whoever you hire may come to you and say, I've got a plan for him and here's what it is, but it's going to be really difficult if your grades are high on that quarterback not to make that move because maybe a fresh start might behoove everyone. Fresh quarterback there, maybe Sam Darnold gets a chance somewhere else and finds it you know

finds finds what we thought he would have coming out of school i don't think all this is his fault this has just been a wreck to him along the way yeah you you get it and maybe that maybe it's somewhere else he could be in the same market as carson wentz where maybe a different place might be the spot matt ryan too is potentially in that i mean, there's a lot of money up for grabs there in those potential moving quarterbacks. Whenever you go to the Jets, if you're a head coach interviewing for that job, it's interesting the strategy you're going to have to have.

Do you go in there saying, I think I can make Sam Darnold work, or do you go in there saying, you know, I think I can rebuild a culture in there? There's two different strategies going into those meetings. You know what my strategy would be, Pat? What's that? Hey, Joe Douglas, you're the GM.

Which way we go? I can do both. I got ideas. I got a pamphlet here for fixing Darnold. I got a pamphlet here for a rookie quarterback. Which way you want to go? I'm here to work with

you. You ever think about coaching or anything i coached for a year at the university of the pacific in stockton california um 1989 season walt harris a wonderful man was our head coach he later was the head coach at pitt and stanford he went to the fiesta bowl against utah with tyler palco as his as his quarterback oh yeah the lefty handsome lefty palco on that On that staff, Pat, Hugh Jackson was coaching running backs, and my roommate was one John Gruden. Oh, wow. I'll tell you what, man.

Hey, I'll tell you what, man. Those guys did pretty good. Now Hugh Jackson's slinging tequila out there. It's very good tequila, by the way. I'm not sure if you've had it. Listen, if you're going to do it, do the best. But I'm on a staff with those guys. I learned a ton. I only coached the one year before I got back

into athletic administration. My dad was a lifetime coach and a teacher. It took years into my broadcasting career before my father quit saying to me, you're going to get your teaching certificate? That's a good thing to have, son, because you can do that.

You can impact. I come from a line of teachers, and I think I let my old man down by not becoming one. Now you're teaching the world. He's living with it now. By the way, with Madden, you're teaching them how to potentially become a better game because the Madden community is obviously upset

about it. You're one of the most... We're working on it. We work on it all the time. We do our part. Me and Brandon Godden. That's what we're talking about. Thank you, Charles! Thank you, Charles! Hey, you're the man, Charles Davis. We appreciate you so much for joining us,

bub. I appreciate you guys as always. Thanks, everyone. And you guys are just flat out terrific. I love how Aaron talked about the love. And when I heard that i was at george the ice man gervin's hall of fame speech in springfield springfield massachusetts when he went in and george gervin's speech consisted of this it's all about love man it's all about love and then he and then he name checked all his boys from detroit who showed up. Hoops, Ray Ray, Lorenzo. It's all about love.

The Iceman, the coolest cat I've ever met in my life. Yo, man, it's all about love. Well, hey, we love whenever you come on here. We appreciate you. Have a great holiday. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. And Martan stayed very quiet for us today.

Is this him? He does say hi. There he is, the face behind the bark. Hey, he's a great dog. What's going on? There you go. You look good.

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Back to the show. Joining us right now is a man from New England. Cannot wait to chat with him. At the beginning of the season after training camp, he said, hey, listen, this Patriots team is not good, pal. That's what he said. Connor tried to explain to him that he had nothing but faith in Bill Belichick and Bill Belichick's brain, and the Patriots are going to be good regardless.

And this guy said, no, no, no, listen. I was at training camp, Connor. Connor. And the cavalry ain't coming around the bend. Nope. Lo and behold, here we are going into week 16. And it has already been concluded that the Patriots are dead. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us, NBC Sports Boston guy, Tom E. Curran.

Yeah! Atta boy, Tom. How's everybody doing? Hey, not E. Curran. Attaboy, Tom. How's everybody doing? Hey, not too shabby. How are you? Nice car. You live well. Thank you for joining us.

This is the house. Not that well that I live. If you're living in your car because the Patriots have been kicked out of the playoffs already, I respect and appreciate you living and dying with the team. Tom, you knew it basically very early after watching training camp. You said, hey, the roster's just not good. The roster's just not good. You said in this year there were some moments of greatness.

There was a little bit of hope, but ultimately they're out. What do you think happened from this point forward for the Patriots, Tom? What's interesting is, pardon me, we had a situation yesterday on one of our shows where our producer said, so why do you think the Patriots are out of the playoffs? I said, what are we talking about? I mean, think about this. Tom Brady's in Tampa Bay.

He's thrown 32 touchdowns and 11 picks. They didn't snip the playoffs until he showed up And they're in Last year when he was here he threw 24 touchdowns and 8 picks I think he threw for 4,000 yards The team went 12-4 He leaves, they go to the playoffs In his stead the Patriots have thrown for 2,500 yards

Cam has 5 touchdowns and 10 picks The position has 8 touchdowns and 14 picks So what's the problem? Tom Brady's gone. Henceforth and hitherto, they better figure out that position. And Bill is very reluctant, it seems, to go to Jarrett Stidham. And he's got to give up the Cam Newton ghost at some point. Okay, so let's talk about that.

Because Stidham was the guy going into the season. And no matter how bad cam did there was no no cam thanks for asking that question it's a really good question cam's quarterback is what he said why was that because how much you like cam how much you appreciate it cam or do you think it's because stidham potentially stinks pat it's both it's all the above and i think that there's a smidgen of you know you guys wouldn't have been covering 20 Super Bowls and six Super Bowls and nine conference championships and you wouldn't have your little shows

and be on the Pat McAfee show if it wasn't for me. So don't come around with your questions about when I'm going to replace them. So there is a portion of Stidham. Remember that game in 2014 when the patriots were getting their asses kicked by kansas city and then garoppolo came in and finished it out pretty well yeah

stidham has not had that moment where it makes the patriots say okay this is something even we were getting blown out came in and showed us something so that reluctance plus the fact that they don't really blame it all on cam because they understand the limitations have led belichick to be very loyal to him they don't want to have stidham go in there and throw five picks and be have the game over like that and they also understand the cam generally maybe not completely but can keep it close because he can run with it but now i mean we've given up the ghost here okay so i got a question for you though bill some things have happened they're not bill belichick like teams

this year okay we go back the hoyer sack before half no timeouts in field goal position that ends that's not good that doesn't happen too many men on the field this past week in the first half coming out of a timeout at the end of the game down 10 they end up getting sacked on fourth down in field goal range ends the game it feels like it feels like bill belichick and then after the game with mcveigh instead of like being um like i don't know how bill belichick normally would be after a loss but you could only tell he said hey thanks you guys kicked our ass man have a good one it feels like bill understands that this year was going to be a very different year am i reading too much into a lot of this stuff? You're 100% right.

He's acknowledged that. He has stated, look, we went – I think that he used the word all in all. We sold out. Yeah. We sold out the past few years. And, you know, I think Brady would look around and say, did he just say what I think he said? Because I clearly remember handing off to Cordero Patterson

during some games when he had to play running back. And I also remember throwing a Chris Hogan and Phillip to a set and Josh Gordon was here until he wasn't because he did what Josh Gordon usually does. So I think that the notion that they've sold out and that there are salary cap problems are, it's a little bit of camouflage a little bit of a smoke screen brady gave them a break for you know almost two full decades on the salary so to complain

salary cap and kind of point to tom and say you know we gotta clean up after him salary cap wise you kidding me tom how's your relationship with Belichick? Right now, I think it's kind of cool. It has been very good in the past. I mean, I have had a very good relationship with him. And now, I mean, really in 2017 when the Brady stuff started going on, you look at the landscape, you report on the landscape as you see it. And I really said, look, he's clearly holding the door open and waiting the landscape as you see it and i really said look it's he's clearly holding the door open and waiting for the guy to leave and he hasn't left

yet so you write that you say it enough that gets back to him you know i'm i'm in with everybody else but he is a very transactional guy to cover if you're helping him he's helping you if you're helping him, he's helping you. If you're not, he's not. And there comes a point where the conflict of the two things becomes too great to continue on that road. You know what I mean, Pat? Yeah. I want to get the information. But? But if I'm going to be not telling what I objectively be to be true and watching my step, and I still not getting any information well what good is it yeah well and you can't afford cars that have that type of soft leather

you're sitting in right there if you're not a good journalist you know I gotta get the kids guys get out of that bed you know because wei reported something that I said yesterday about uh bill has been checked out or whatever and now I'm like well bill definitely heard that I said yesterday about Bill has been checked out or whatever. And now I'm like, well, Bill definitely heard that. I'm never going to get to talk to him. But I was pointing out some things that are very un-Bill-like that have been happening. Because Bills are stalwart of smart football. Of like, hey, this is how you do football. Whenever other coaches want to know how to manage games, they normally look at what Bill Belichick is doing for games.

And if you can handle those situations, that's like Bill Belichick's big thing. This year, there's been a couple bobbles in that world too so it's like what the hell is he just been checked out of this entire thing I wonder no and it's not that to me I think that in the five days leading up to a game and on game day you don't want anybody else running your team even that situation last week down 10 they're at the 23 yard line it's fourth down they don't want anybody else running your team. Even that situation last week, down 10, they're at the 23-yard line, it's fourth down, they don't kick the field goal. I don't blame them for that because the way they were moving the ball, there's a pretty good chance you weren't going to get down there that far to even have a chance at scoring a touchdown.

You needed a touchdown anyway. Wait, wait, wait, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. You think, well, maybe with the way Cam throws, I guess. You can't get down there. So you're going to have to get the touchdown eventually. But you can throw a Hail Mary field goal. You have to be in field goal range.

For him, you have to be inside the 30. Yikes. I knew you were going to say Connor. I knew that was coming. That's on me. Tom, you said that the roster stinks and it's hard to disagree with you, but do you think if Brady's on the team that the Patriots go to the playoffs

this year? I think he can mask enough to get you to nine and seven, really. No. That's what we're talking about. Would it be five touchdowns and ten picks and eight touchdowns and 14 picks for the offense as a whole? Probably not. What would Brady's 21 touchdowns and 11 picks get you win-loss-wise?

What did the running ability of Cam get you earlier in the season? Got you a little bit. So, hey, you know what? I actually feel badly, and I'm going to say this. Oh. No, I know. It's weird. It's a little bit maybe more attuned to things than I would be,

but there are people living in their cars and shit. Oh, my God, Tom. Do not feel bad for that. to things than I would be, but there are people living in their cars and shit. Oh my God, Tom. Do not feel bad for that. Joking about it's shitty. No, Tom. Hey, what a hero, Tom. You're a real hero, Tom. But joking about it is

shitty. Yeah, Tom. Alright, well, I'll tell you what. What you said about Bill Belichick, they're also shitty. I shouldn't do that. What do you got, Diggs? Tom, it's been said on this program, and I've seen it some other places. Do you see a scenario where Jimmy G is back in New England? 100% I do, yes. There's only $2.5 million that it would cost San Francisco

if they wanted to move on from him. What's their alternative? What's their upside to moving on? Well, they have to debate that. Who do they replace him with? But they also have to debate, is this guy taking up $28 million on our cap too much for a guy who's too frequently unavailable? So if they move on from him, then the Patriots have to declare, okay, we're going to go into

the Jimmy business, but we're not going to pay him $25 million. So does Garoppolo agree to come back where he was, even looking at this roster and say, yeah, you know what, sight unseen, I'm going to trust you, Bill. So I think on the surface, the fit makes sense. San Francisco could release him, the Patriots would want him, and Jimmy probably feels a little bit beholden to Bill in terms of trust. But when it really push came to shove, if you were a 29-year-old quarterback who wanted to succeed, would you think that Bill Belichick's going to draft a bunch of guys around you when he generally hasn't? And if Josh McDaniels goes elsewhere, do you want to come to this offense? Are you worried? It sounds like you're a little gloom and doom about the future of the Patriots

right now. Yeah, I don't think the road to recovery has started, Patrick. Oh, no. They stink, huh? They're going to stink for a long time. They got all the cap room, but they have Joe Tooney's up, and David Andrews is up, and Stephon Gilmore is going to want to raise, and Deb McCourty is up in two years, and Dante Hightower and Patrick Chung opted out.

We'll see if they come back. Rex Burkett and James White are up. Lawrence Guy and Adam Butler are up. So all that money they have that folks are looking at to say, okay, Julian's 34. Who's your next core? Who's your next quarterback? Does McDaniels stay? They got, as Bill said this week and sidestepping

the cam question we have a lot of questions to answer well thank you for coming on here and answering all of our questions now go pack your car at a yacht so you can go ahead and live there you know what i mean happy holiday happy holidays merry christmas i really appreciate you guys let me be a part of this this year it's been fun every time no we guys letting me be a part of this this year. It's been fun every time. No, we appreciate you for being a part of this thing this year. We appreciate you, Tom E. Kern. Merry Christmas to you too, Tom. See you guys.

How about Tom have a little change of heart about joking around about living in his car? That's good. That's really nice. Wheels or tires. Oh, yeah. Somebody's probably telling me that I'm a bad guy for doing that. It's a joke. These are jokes. Somebody got a text.

I wonder if someone saw something pop up on his phone. That was really shitty. I love where he drew the line, by the way. Cam can't throw a deep ball. I'm going to bury him for that. Can't throw a Hail Mary.

But you know, it is kind of shitty, isn't it? Tom, we can't lose your job. Apologize now. I'm not actually living in my car. People are living in their cars.

At least I'm not getting spot cattle. Ladies and gentlemen pittsburgh treasure national hero mark madden what's going on bub well well well hello pittsburgh so this is how you doing back home pittsburgh how you feel today okay how do you feel pittsburgh so mark madden is in las vegas obviously you need a change of scene he said to us off air uh last night you watched the game i assume somewhere really nice in vegas over there what were your thoughts how do you feel uh well first off pat i want to thank you for having me on because unlike some sports entertainment entities we could mention, you know to have your best interview on as often as possible.

Of course. You're out of sight. And by the way, my fee for doing this show is that Arby's brick, so don't be so quick to give it away. You can enter, Mark. You can enter alongside Mark. All you got to do is tweet hashtag Arby's is great space and then four numbers. Thank you, Mark.

The minute this is over, I cannot wait. The Steelers are in a lot of trouble, but it doesn't surprise me because I've been telling people all season that they were not as good as their record. They beat up on a bunch of crap teams. They had very few signature wins outside of maybe routing the Browns. That was their only complete 60 minutes. And now the chickens

have come home to roost. Ben can't get the ball anywhere. He's pushing the ball and has no confidence on any throw that goes more than 10 yards. Tomlin's like a deer in headlights. He does not know what to do. That's very clear. And the juju thing, which I'm sure we're going

to talk about, that is not the cause. That's the symptom. When a guy like that goes rogue and loses focus, that lack of focus trickles down to the rest of the team. They have no veterans, excuse me, they have no leaders in that locker room. No leaders, only veterans. Because a leader would have told Juju to knock this crap off a long long time ago but the biggest problem isn't juju again he is just a symptom uh i think they may well lose out including their first round playoff game and if that happens tomlin should be fired and ben should retire whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa okay hold on let's say i know i'm right but refuted please yeah well tomlin has been great for a long time.

The only coach to coach as long as he didn't ever have a losing season. It seems like the boys are always in it. Last year, no quarterback. You've gone after that a couple times. Almost led him to the playoffs. Still had a winning season this year. 11 straight. Now everything's on red.

You're saying, hey, get rid of Mike Tomlin if they lose Ott? If they lose Ott, yes, I am saying that. It's gone on long enough, Pat. He has three playoff wins in a decade, and this is the third straight season the team is abjectly collapsing. Abjectly collapsing for three straight seasons. So if you don't fire the coach, if the quarterback doesn't retire, you tell me, how do you fix it fix it okay so let's talk about ben you've always been a guy

that's gone to bat for ben because absolutely absolutely but i know what i'm seeing you think he stinks i didn't say stinks i just think his is whether he's admitting it or his elbow can't get the ball there it can't get the ball there he It can't get the ball there. He's pushing the ball all the time. You guys see the same thing. And maybe the knee's bothering him. I don't know. And if he recovers from those things at 38, what are the odds that recovery will be permanent, that he won't relapse?

Now, you could make the argument that him at quarterback at 39, even like he is next year, is better than what they would have otherwise. But I'm not so sure about that. And I am a Ben guy, and I have respect for him as much as I have for any athlete I've ever worked with. And his accomplishments are undeniable. He'll be in the Hall of Fame, as will be Tomlin. But I know what I'm seeing.

And there's no way to fix this if the same cast comes back next year, in particular the coach and quarterback. Now, hey, all they have to do to prove me wrong is not lose out and in particular win a playoff game. If they win a playoff game, then, yeah, this was just a hiccup and things could still be steered in the right direction. But let me ask you, Pat, does this look like a hiccup to you? They haven't played well for over a month.

For over a month. And they've lost their swag completely. You know what I mean? There i mean there's no like career it doesn't feel like there's any aside from the pre-game dances yeah there isn't a lot of upbeat on the sideline which by the way is huge for how your team is feeling behind closed doors you can learn a lot about a team by how they interact with each other that team seems to be lost for the last couple weeks it's been a long season so you're saying that that Randy Fichtner should not be getting as much blame as he's been getting as the offense coordinator because Ben? No, they should drag him out behind the barn and go, never mind.

He's done a terrible job. There's no question about that. But that's what we do in Pittsburgh. We can't blame the coach. We can't blame the quarterback, even though we kind of do all the time. But when it comes to actually firing somebody, fire the coordinator. That'll fix everything. Firing

Randy Fittner will do nothing. Ben's the real coordinator. Whoever the coordinator is just does Ben's detail work, period. This is on the coach and the quarterback, period. Did you think they were going to lose last night going into that game? Obviously not, because I'm in Las Vegas. I never would have taken the week off work and you think they were going to lose last night going into that game? Obviously not because I'm in Las Vegas. I never would have taken the week off work

and I thought they were going to lose. I mean, seriously, I'm doing a guest appearance on my own show today with Adam Crowley, who's deputizing for me, because you've got to talk about this. But I've got to tell you, Pat, I was in Hooters last night here in Vegas, lovely place, and i was drinking i'm not gonna lie and when juju fumbled after the big hit after doing the tiktok and i knew that he would be ridiculed from coast to coast in the wake of that fumble i knew that and it's happened and it's

glorious more glorious than d-day i had a vision jesus god came unto me in hooters pat god came unto me and he said super genius gather unto you what is yours and he saw that it was good and it is quick i love when i make you cringe that's my favorite part yeah i know i mean the d-Day line was a bit wild. Before, Diggs has a question for you as well. I mean, that was, I mean, you were fucking outrageous as a human. More glorious than D-Day. You know who said that first?

Oh. Red Foreman on that 70s show about the possibility of Eric moving on. It will be more glorious than D-Day. Great reference there. All right. Before Diggs asks you a question i know you're a man that fancies an adult ballet every once in a while have you seen uh these pictures of duane haskins having a good time on sunday night and now he's had to come out and apologize and

people are bearing him for it well the only thing i think he has to apologize for is not wearing the mask yeah i mean he's an adult he can do what he wants to do. Although out here in Vegas, listen to this. A couple of gentlemen's clubs are open, notably Sapphire, the world's biggest. I've not been there, and you'll find out why because there's no point to it. In the champagne rooms, the girls are dancing behind what could loosely be called saran wrap partitions in the champagne rooms. Oh, yeah. Mark, you can't be thrilled with that.

You can't be. Oh, there are three words that have nothing to do with that, and those words are down and dirty. I just have no interest. What do you got, Diggs? Let's just move on. For those that don't know, I mean, Mark is a noted. That can't be good for me either.

Drinking more, my God. Noted adult ballet fan. Mark Madden, what do you got,s hey super genius mr 166 um first off i bow down to you are the king of the mutes and you were first on the juju uh anti-tiktok anti-juju i jumped on that train very very quickly it just came out as you were coming on uh that tomlin said he is going to sit down with juju and have a talk to him about uh the dancing on the logos before the game. How do you think that's going to go?

Pal, we're allowed to swear on the show, right? Yeah, let it eat, pal. Okay, you don't sit down with Juju and talk this out. You say, don't fucking do it again. Okay, you don't leave a choice. And that should have been done a long time ago by Tomlin or by Cam Hayward or by Ben or by somebody. Juju is AB light. Okay.

He's not as annoying, but he's not as good either. And he's so annoying that you say, boy, he should be better than this. If he's this annoying, he's just a child. He's an absolute child.

And let me tell you something. And dozens. And dozens. You guys missed your cue. Well, your inflection, your inflection. and let me tell you something dozens and dozens you guys missed your cue your inflection wasn't great there are dozens and dozens

that's more like it of people in Pittsburgh who have been kinder juju when he's not doing a video that will tell you the kind of person he really is okay he's just the guy who lives for the camera without it he's not doing a video that will tell you the kind of person he really is. Okay? All right. He's just the guy who lives for the camera. Without it, he's a schmuck.

And he's not a bad player, but he's not doing much this year. Pat, what are his stats this year? They're bad. He's like 49th in season. Okay, can we go back to the Tomlin talking to him thing? Because you're mad that he came out and said he's going to talk to him. Like Tomlin. Well, put it this way.

If I knew the talk was going to be akin to what I've suggested, I'd be okay with it. In fact, I'd be able to join with it. Well, I assume it would be akin to what you said there. But I think also Tomlin was probably hoping that he didn't have to have this conversation, right? This feels like a locker room conversation that should be happening. I feel like Tomlin's probably at the point where he's like, all right, I guess I'm going to have to do this

because nobody else will, which goes back to your problem. They have veterans. They don't have leaders. Will they be able to turn this thing around? I have no idea. Mark, can't take you enough for your time. Enjoy Vegas, pal. It's kind of, it's not as open as I'd like, hence the saran wrap.

Hey, bust down those saran wrap walls over there mark what my final word is that could help in cleanup oh jesus mark he's a maniac he's an absolute maniac nuke he is he just came in and just more glorious than d-day whenever juuju got hit by Vaughn. I mean, that is what you're doing, though, if you're Juju. I've been saying that for like a year now at this point, maybe two years. Like, hey, Juju, when you're doing all that stuff, you just – and I assume he expects it, by the way.

Like, he knows it's going to come on the other side, and he's just doing it. The thought of him saying, I'm going to continue to dance on the field and everything like that, you know, if they win, everybody's talking about how Juju's a savage. You know what I mean? Like, what a savage. he didn't change anything he does they lose he gets blown up in the middle of it he has to expect what's coming today and what came last night on social media it's just one of those things you know what i mean it's just he has to know that that's i mean they highlighted it on the on the broadcast oh my god and everybody's like how it started versus

how it's going it was just a and by the way, Terry Sputler tweeted this out. The highest jersey sales by somebody other than a quarterback in the NFL, Juju Smith-Schuster. Whoa. Hey, so that business is booming over there. It doesn't matter how many times he gets blown up in the middle. And that's probably a problem, by the way. That is probably a problem.

He does not care. I have no problem with them dancing. Just, I mean, do it somewhere where they don not care i have no problem with them dancing just i mean do it we're do it somewhere where they don't care about winning like and they just care about having fun you know the thing the bulletin board material is not real okay everybody wants to play everybody wants to do that but i assume it's much sweeter whenever you potentially blow up somebody that you know is a uh a disrespectful person in your eyes to your team like i don't think von made that play because juuju was dancing on the logo,

but I do believe Vaughn enjoyed it a lot more because it was Juju who danced on the logo. You know, it's just a very interesting series. Cause these are all adults, allegedly some of them what's going on. Right. Cause like,

I mean, you're, those guys are always trying to smack someone big time, but do you think like when Juju's lined up, they're like, okay, there he is. Guys are just licking their chops to fucking smack him in the mouth every time he lines up, it seems like. And by the way, it's not just Juju that people are trying to smack in the mouth. You know what I mean?

In the city of Pittsburgh, there is a new face of people that are trying to smack in the mouth, and that'd be Evan Fox. Joining us now, uh smackdown commentator noted pittsburgh stealer fan uh cory graves wow you look so cool right now i have never seen somebody look as cool as he looks he has a leather jacket with a steve jobs black turtleneck on i've never seen a cool looking human in my life bigers fan, how do you feel about the world right now? Well, I wanted to call my favorite broadcast program, the Pat McAfee Show, and wish you all a very Merry Christmas.

Have a good Muppet Christmas. Yes, with a noted exception of one Evan Fox. Whoa! Because I just listened to the super genius, and big shoes to follow. It's tough to follow Madden doing anything. He speaks the truth. He knows the facts.

But I think we're being lost in the fact that everybody's mad at Juju Smith-Schuster when this is ultimately Evan Fox's fault. Do you buy into that? Do you buy into the Fox curse at this point? Absolutely I do. Absolutely. I mean, as a born and raised Pittsburgher, we've got to blame something that isn't the team.

So the one variable this year was once upon a time Detroit Lions Absolutely. I mean, as a born and raised Pittsburgher, we've got to blame something that isn't the team. Bingo. So the one variable this year was once upon a time, Detroit Lions fan jumps on our bandwagon and just runs it off the tracks. You know, it's very interesting. When I joined the Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, the greatest franchise of all time with the greatest fans of all time, I thought you guys would welcome me with open arms. You guys would be nicer. Is that what I saw?

You saw it. All I'm getting is these Steelers fans getting mad at me because their team stinks. This is not my fault, Corey. He wanted to be a part of a group with you, Corey. That's all Evan wanted to be, a part of your group. I think Evan should probably take notes from my beloved girlfriend, who was once upon a time

a New England Patriots cheerleader. And upon moving to the city of Pittsburgh, I said, baby, please become a Steelers fan. It's the only way to go. And she just refused. She said, no, her team's out of the playoffs. She doesn't care. She just gave up.

She's a true fan. But, Corey, I've had 26 years of life, and I've never seen one single playoff win. I just want a little bit of football happiness in my life. And it's literally never happened. And I thought with the Steelers, this was going to be the year it happened. And what Foxy said to your wife or your girlfriend is, hey, good for you.

You had 20 years of success. Foxy's like, I didn't have that. I had 26 years of failure. I would have been a little bit more loyal if his team didn't suck so bad. I'm going to blow up that entire argument with the fact that I'm still a Pittsburgh Pirates fan. Yeah, but that's stupid. You should not be. Well, no, I thought I was going to ask what year he was born.

Fox, what year were you born? I was born in 1984. I'm not before. So I've lived through some success. And I also remember Sid Bream breaking the city's hearts. I feel like at this very moment, Evan Fox is on par with Sid Bream in the city's hearts. I feel like at this very moment, Evan Fox is on par with Sid Bream in the city of Pittsburgh as far as fans. Yes.

Fans point of view. Hey, that's like the fucking guy from the Cubs. Steve Bartman. Yeah, you were akin to Steve Bartman. Oh, shit. Don't show your face back in there. Hey, why do you look so cool right now? Are you going to like a Mad Men convention? Like, what are you doing?

I wish I was going to a Mad Men convention. I'm actually preparing to step foot into the noted WWE Thunderdome to do a little work today. You know, it's Christmas week. We've got to schedule to get up a little. I don't know when you're going to be on air with this particular costume, but God damn, you look good. Thank you for joining us, Corey.

We appreciate it. Thank you. Merry Christmas, even you, Foxy. Thank you, Corey. That was very nice of him.. We appreciate you. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Even you, Foxy. Thank you, Corey. That was very nice of him. Look at that. Steelers fans saying Merry Christmas to each other. Yeah.

He heard me say, you know, no Steelers fans have welcomed me, so maybe he started thinking about it. We got to be better fans. Have you ever seen somebody look that cool before? No. Wow. So cool, dude. His beard was perfect.

His hair was perfect. First out of the shop. Black turtleneck with a black leather jacket on. Yeah. He looked like he was out of a movie right there. Yeah. He legitimately looked like he was out of a movie. You know how you ensure that no one will ever look at you in your entire life?

Hang out with Corey Graves for an evening. Yeah. He's a pretty handsome son of a bitch. You may as well be invisible. Yeah. He's got all those tats, too. He's like the bad boy. Who's the handsome guy, and what's that thing with you?

He comes straight out of the fantasy factory of some women that love the bad boy dark tall dark and handsome bad boy like that is he looked unbelievable right there was hard to really listen what he was saying but boy foxy he hates you he said you're steve bartman of pittsburgh right that's bad can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show i know there's a lot of things that could penetrate your ear holes the fact you allow us to do so i am eternally grateful for big thanks to aaron rogers for joining us big thanks to charles davis tommy curran all the boys aj just everybody can't thank you mark madden mark madden oh my god i completely forgot about Mark Madden.

Electrifying. We'll be off Thursday, Friday to celebrate the holiday. I don't love that we're not going to be putting out a show. So know that I'm not pumped about it. But I do believe the boys and I deserve a little bit of a breakthrough in the holiday season and enjoy it. It'll be good for us. We'll come out the other side like a little bit of a bye week. Guns blazing out the other side.

Come out the other side of it ready to go. So we apologize for that, but we got a big show for you tomorrow. Big guest tomorrow. Huge guest tomorrow. Huge. You thought today's show was packed. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft.

Pfft. Pfft. Whistle. Wait till you see tomorrow. Whistle. Today's show is packed. Wait till you see tomorrow. People are going to listen to the show tomorrow and go, Wow. You still trying to whistle on a Grammy record? Yeah. Just want to kind of bring that back to the floor. A little reminder, yeah. Because I'm not 100% sure whether or not these musicians are writing songs right now.

But if they are, I would like to offer my services as a talented whistler. Oh, yeah. This isn't just like a charity case. This isn't some slapdick,ick you know just blowing wind out of his lips no no no no this is good whistling if you think you have a grammy song i would like to figure out a way for us to incorporate me whistling in the back because i would like to be a grammy nominated whistler i think i've deserved it someone do do the right thing. Make it work. Do the right thing.

Do the right thing. What if I am on a song that wins a fucking Grammy? Could you imagine me putting that on the desk? Oh, it'd be awesome. Right next to Mangold's barbecue sauce. To the left of the hefty lefty rest in peace chair of Lorenzen. Adam Vinatieri's record breaking ball. Fucking Grammy sitting there. Makes too much sense.

It's quite a classic conversation starter. Mm-hmm. Oh, what's that? Oh, it's a Grammy. Oh, it's my Grammy. Sorry. Do you have one? Oh, you don't.

Hmm. What if I have somebody that wins a Grammy on show? I'll be like, Grammy winner, Grammy winner. Yeah. Let's talk music. If anybody knows any musicians that are potentially going to win a Grammy, please put in a good word for my whistling abilities. Ed Sheeran, maybe.

That's all he's making new music. Need a whistler? Just one song, by the way. I'm not asking for every song. I mean, granted, I wouldn't mind being a whistler in your band. I'm not going to be able to travel. I do have other things going on so maybe not every show but if you need a whistler pal i'm your guy yeah i'm ready to whistle dude let's get it done maybe not this year though maybe it's years in advance. Maybe 21.

What's the average age of winning a Grammy? Couldn't tell you. Yeah. Maybe I'd do that in my 40s. There we go. Maybe I'd tighten up my whistling abilities for the next seven years and really make a run at this thing. Show's over. We'll be back tomorrow.

Show's been over. Ty, please play some independent music and propel these people into a beautiful Tuesday. We'll be back tomorrow. Show's been over. Ty, please play some independent music and propel these people into a beautiful Tuesday. We'll be back tomorrow with a packed show. Packed show. Packed show. We'll see you then. Thank you. Hashtag end of pod squad.

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