The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 321 - MNF Recap, Aaron Rodgers, AJ Dillon, & Ryan Clark

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about last night's MNF game and how the Patriots stink, if the Bills are for real, and much much more. Joining the show, per usual, is the probable 2020 NFL MVP, QB for the Green Bay Packers, and good friend of the program, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron and Pat chat about the likelihood that he's named MVP, why it does mean a lot to him, teams having to go through Lambeau in the playoffs, Sunday's statement win against the Titans, and much much more (20:29-1:08:13). Also joining the program fresh off a breakthrough performance on Sunday Night Football, 2nd round pick of the Green Bay Packers, "The Sauce," AJ Dillon. Pat and AJ chat about his huge game against the Titans, how that moment was the result of a lot of hard work, and how good it felt afterwards, whether or not Connor actually met him in the hole and drove him out of bounds in high school, what it's like having Aaron as a teammate, and how special that Running Back room in Green Bay is (1:14:12-1:37:11). Lastly, Super Bowl Champion, Pro Bowler, current ESPN NFL analyst, and friend of the show, Ryan Clark joins the program. Pat and Ryan chat about everything happening around the NFL and look ahead at what's still to come in the NFL playoffs (1:37:13-2:00:52). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, December 29th. What a day, what a show. I can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. If you like this show, by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Let's get right to it, shall we?

Gorgeous, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, December 29th. Wow. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Almost 2021, okay. I just realized that while I was speaking there, we made it. Yeah. Come on. Well, I guess we haven't yet.

We haven't. Oh, yeah. We're close to making it. To 2021. RIP to the year 2020. Excited to see you go. Excited to see what happens in 2021. Last night, Monday night football in Foxborough, Massachusetts.

Monday night football in Foxborough, Massachusetts. The Buffalo Bills absolutely gang-banged the New England Patriots last night. I mean, Stephon Diggs and Josh Allen seem to be on the same page at all times. It has been awesome to watch that Buffalo Bills team come into their own. Now, at the beginning of the season, talking about the Buffalo Bills, if you said anything at all that wasn't 100% for the Buffalo Bills, Bills Mafia was going to come after you. I know that because I said that Aaron Rodgers, you know, a couple other guys, maybe a little bit better than Josh Allen at the moment, but it's nice to see Josh Allen getting better leaps and bounds each year, which is what he has done each year in the NFL. He has just gotten much, much better. At the beginning of the season,

I said I thought Aaron Rodgers was the best quarterback, best player on earth, going to win the MVP, and Bill's Mafia was coming after me. And although I did take some heat on the Internet, I respected and appreciated the fact that Bill's Mafia was coming to bat for Josh Allen. I respected and appreciated the fact that Bill's Mafia knew that the door was open in the AFC East

after the big, bad wolf Tom Brady left town. Bill Belichick's boys had nine opt-outs. I loved and respected the fact that Bills Mafia knew that this was their time. And if anybody wasn't saying that at the beginning of the year, they were going to attack. Then there was a little bit of a slump, a little bit of a fallout for the Buffalo Bills. They went out of the relevance of conversation. Everything else was getting talked about. The Miami Dolphins became the hot team to talk about in the AFCs.

And then here in the last four or five weeks, the Buffalo Bills have been absolutely fantastic. Last night, Josh Allen, with a rocket launcher attached to his right shoulder, was slinging the ball all over the yard, and the Patriots looked lost. There was even a very odd timeout that was called after a touchdown play was started for the Buffalo Bills, and Josh Allen didn't seem rattled at all. Bill Belichick seemed to be operating a little bit in Bill Belichick fashion.

Maybe that timeout was just at the very last second in the middle of the game, which very rarely happens. But all these things started happening. Maybe even the challenge or a rule that got fucked up or a ref fucking up last night. Josh Allen was calm, cool, and collected. Stephon Diggs was getting shit-talked by a guy named Jackson who should have been in the Pro Bowl,

and you actually saw Stephon Diggs point his face and say, you're going to fucking regret that. And he did, by the way. The rest of the night, all Stephon Diggs was seen doing was running right past that guy who was a fellow Maryland Terp, I guess. That Buffalo Bills team, I don't think they have a worry about anything at all. They're enjoying themselves on the offensive side of the ball, obviously. Defensive side of the ball is hungry. Special teams, Tyler Big Ball's bass kicks the hell out of it. That Buffalo Bills team

is excited for an AFC playoff run, and I don't think they care who they're going to have to face. I feel like that team, especially after talking to Josh Allen, is not content, not happy with where they're at. Seems like McDermott's got a squad that's ready to go, and last night, is not content, not happy with where they're at. Seems like McDermott's got a squad that's ready to go. And last night, those of us, I think it was 82% of the people that bet on the game who hammered the Bills minus seven cashed in mightily. The people that lost were the people that still have faith in the Patriots. To talk more about that, at Boston Corner, your team fucking stinks, dude.

Yeah, it was a hell of a run. You know, the 20 years of my life that the Patriots were unbelievable. It was fun. You know, it was good. And it's never a great sign when Josh Allen doubles the amount of touchdown passes that Cam Newton has at Gillette Stadium in a single game. So it was never going to be our year, all right? 6-9.

Let's start Stidham next week against the Jets. Maybe just hand-gaze another win. Go 6-10. Sneak into that top 10 in the draft. Let's get a quarterback and let's keep moving forward-10, sneak into that top 10 in the draft, let's get a quarterback and let's keep moving forward. Okay, and then there's a bunch of rumors, I guess, that Adam Gase and of the Jets is going to be the next quarterback coach for the New England Patriots. I guess that's potentially cooking behind the scenes right now.

Belichick said, hey, I'll come rehab you into being a good coach again, then he can go get another job, just like the guy that just got the Arizona job who stunk as a head coach. He goes to New England, becomes quarterback coach for, what, half a a year boom head coach at arizona that's probably going to fail miserably that's a team i will bet against next four years is arizona and how that whole thing goes now he might be you know learned how to coach football and make those boys good but the the rumor is adam gaze is going to be the quarterback coach for the patriots but next, there's no way Cam Newton's playing. You know, once we saw his schedule yesterday, okay? 420, the alarm goes off.

430, he's out of his house. Now, we have to remember, let's assume he has an Apple device, an iPhone. Of course. Because he is iconic Saga Productions. And when he types, I feel like that would have to be an Apple keyboard that he utilizes. Oh, yeah. So he doesn't hit the snooze button one time because nine minute snooze is what the Apple thing is.

Nine minutes, he's already getting out of his house at that point. So as soon as 420 hits, shout out 420 by the way, Cam Newton. Yeah, shout out 420. As soon as 420, and get high. As soon as 420 hits, he just hops up out of bed, and his outfits are obviously always fantastic. He puts

those together the night before, I guess, where he says he goes to sleep by 11 30 so about 11 20 we're putting the outfit together i think it's potentially laid like right next to his his bed and i think as soon as he hops out he like hops right into the fucking pants right into the thing a hat gets dropped from the ceiling on his fucking right down in there scarf is wrapped around the whole and then he's out at 4 30 a.m doesn't sip coffee until 8 a.m which is wrapped around. And then he's out at 4.30 a.m. Doesn't sip coffee until 8 a.m., which is a big part of this whole thing. Of course. And then afterwards, you hear his press conference.

And he had another bad night or whatever. None of us know why. I was a big Cam Newton advocate. I'm a big fan of his as a person. It just seems to not be working, which is what he said. He said, I've been working my dick off this year, basically. I'm waking up. You guys saw a goddamn schedule. Did you see that schedule?

I didn't lie about that. Mark Wahlberg, he might have lied. The Rock, might have lied. I did not lie. 420, I'm out. 430, I'm out. I've been watching film without coffee. Maybe that's a problem, by the way. Maybe you should take more coffee. Yeah, a little bit of weight to watch coffee, but hey, I'm not judging when a man sips his caffeine. You do what you gotta do. But he said,

I'm working my ass off i'm buying and i'm doing all this i'm playing bad what if cam newton's just not supposed to be this type of morning guy like what if what if this isn't what cam newton's supposed to be like i've tried it a couple times you know i get on this big motivational kick it would normally happen on january 1st but i'm giving myself this speech right now two days beforehand to let me know don't try it i'll get on this big kick like you, you know what? I'm going to fucking wake up early. Early bird gets the worm. That's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to get more done before everybody. And then I do it two days, three days. And all of a sudden I just find out I'm exhausted. And I'm like, yeah, my body's not supposed to do this. I'm going to continue to stay up late. Maybe Cam Newton realized this year that he's just not a morning person. Like what Bill Belichick expected out of his starting quarterback or what he thought Bill Belichick expected out of his starting quarterback maybe not his thing and maybe cam newton will go on to play football good again which i hope because i'm a fan of his but there's no way he's back in

new england next year stidham looks like he's he's not good either and there's there's a reason they didn't want him to play all year for whatever reason maybe it's because they didn't want anybody else to see him uh maybe he is very good but it didn't look like it last night or whatever but what is the the patriots you got legit you guys might stink for the next 10 years like like might stink for 10 years it feels because belichick he's not going to go out like this right unless he retires and then it'll be a whole new thought of what goes on welcome back to the uh dice roll of whether or not you're going to get a good gm and a good coach again because that fucking that fails in a lot of places but i don't know what's gonna happen up there in new england that was that was a sad sight to see last night just as somebody who loves

loves football oh yeah love belichick that was a sad thing to watch last night it's sad for you it looked like a preseason game really sad for you huh well the preseason might have helped us out a little bit i'm gonna you know maybe attribute some of the losses to that but i mean look cam new and he said he worked his dick off i personally would like to see him back in new england for another year wow why get him to be because we always talk about how important it is for young guys to see you know how to operate inside a building and although the play hasn't been good everyone in the building has said look cam has been the hardest worker. He's been staying late.

He's been there at 4.30 or however long the commute gets, maybe 4.44. I wonder if he even has the red lights timed out. 4.36, this one turns green. Got to get there at 4.36. Absolutely. That's it. I wish one motherfucker who's super successful, when somebody asks him their daily schedule, I don't know.

Some days I- Wake up at nine. Depends what I got going on. Is it? There's just no way you go to bed at the exact same time every night. You don't know. You don't know, Gumpy. There's no way.

You don't know. There's no way. He has a driver for that reason. There's no way you go to bed at the same time every night. From Canada, a man that used to work the night shift out there right 4 p.m till 4 a.m my friend painting ships in the shipyard which a shipyard by the way is what you use to describe a terrible fucking location yep that is where gumpy was so whenever gumpy hears like these superhuman conversations he i believe you're the first one i go that sounds like no

chance but whenever they put somebody's schedule on paper, they did it with Mark Wahlberg. He had nine holes of golf in before 5 a.m. or something like that. Before he even had his Bible time, which was before he even had breakfast, which was before you and I even thought about waking up. Anytime you do that, it automatically goes into speculation. And I don't think Cam Newton would lie, right?

Because there's documented footage if he's in the facility at 445. I just think Cam Newton maybe – is this what he's always been? Maybe it's who – I don't know. I just – I feel bad about the guy. I feel bad for him too. I mean, especially because you said it. In the offseason, it was like 84 nights. This guy is going to come back.

He's lying, you know. You're going to hear him roar. And, you know, he has four passing touchdowns and, like, 13 interceptions. He's lying. You know, you're going to hear him roar. And, you know, he has four passing touchdowns and, like, 13 interceptions. It's just tough to realize. You know, he's throwing it to you out there. Okay, yeah. So we can attribute it to injuries. You know, Edelman, our best pass catcher, he hasn't played since goddamn week six.

What did Adels think about that last night? What happened? He hurt his knee. He got COVID. I mean, there's a few different things that just stacked on top of each other. Did he survive? Is he alright? He's okay. He has survived. Thank God. The numbers say that.

Just go. Everything was stacked against us this year, no matter what it was, from the opt-outs to Brady leaving, to Cam Newton not being the guy that we were hoping he would be. But also, you've got to give credit to AFC East. This is the best AFC East has been as a whole between the Dolphins and the Bills.

They're both great teams now, and that's just something we've got to catch up to. There is something to be said about that, about teams that have been in dominant teams, divisions for so long, having to build their teams up to beat the dominant team in the division. We ran the AFC South there for a while. And by we, I mean I was just on the tail end of it there. I was just showing up whenever things, you know, like, hey, how's it going? I'm here to have a good time, and then I'm going to get out of here or whatever. I got to see.

But there were some good teams in the AFC South there for a while. Like, the Houston Texans, they built up their squad, and as soon as we fell off, the Texans won into the playoffs quickly, and they won some games. Like, they got going. When you're in one of those divisions, you're probably going to get – you're not going to make the playoffs, or maybe you'll sneak in a wild card those divisions you're probably going to get you're not going to make the playoffs or maybe you'll sneak in a wild card but you're not going to you're going to lose at least two games because you're with the don i

mean there's just and you're trying to build that team build that team just to beat them and then whenever that team collapses it's like all right now we got our squad i'll be intrigued to see how buff because they look like their team it's going to be good for a long time oh yeah stefan diggs and josh allen if you listen to the commentators last night which i assume a lot of people did obviously the um or is muted like mine no well see you don't have that's why i had to be very careful with how i described that because i knew that old camouflage pad over there well you know look hey i had to mute it because i i've just grown numb to it i can can't deal with it anymore. I've got to watch that team and listen to those guys. All right.

The opinions of the man in camouflage who is a Patriot stooge do not reflect that of his employer or of his peers. I mean, some of his peers, but not of his employer. But you can listen to them because they get a chance to interview everybody, talk to everybody. And you can hear some things. Talk to everybody, you know, and you can hear some things. And I guess the way they were describing Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs relationship is they they view themselves as like the similar people, like super competitive. They talk shit, I guess, to each other like it is. Those two, I think I think we're potentially seeing like a relationship that's going to last here.

Now, Stefan Diggs probably gets talked about as in a a negative light by some people because what happened in minnesota i was very vocal last year not that stefan diggs was a problem but i thought stefan diggs had a problem with minnesota i i'd never know why somebody's pissed off at somebody else because i think anytime you assume that it's this person's fault as opposed to this person's fault and you don't know what's going on behind closed doors like that's a that's a bad thing to do so i didn't know kirk cousins at the time he's been on the show one time and i didn't know stefan dig so i didn't want to say why it seemed like those two were getting after i just was saying there's a problem in minnesota he was throwing his helmet and whenever they were in the lead in a playoff game there was some other

situation that happened in the offseason he takes he was training in like cardinals gear he took out i mean it was like very obvious so i think the natural reaction by a lot of people is that oh stefan diggs is a is a problem in life well maybe stefan diggs just had a problem with something that was in minnesota i'm not saying it was kirk i'm not saying it was any of his teammates maybe it was a front office member maybe it was a coach you have no idea but it feels like stefan josh allen are going to be a tag team that is going to run for the next few years. And I'm pumped about it. Stephon looked like he was running at a different speed than everybody else last night. He looked faster than any human I've ever seen.

He looked like he was running like Tyree Kill last night. Josh Allen was so comfortable. Now, granted, not a lot of pass rush. You guys were rushing three there for a while. And that's really nice. But if you have a guy like Stephon Diggs who's really fast, he can find and kind of get himself open there. I mean, interesting decision.

We can't do anything on defense to begin with, so it doesn't matter if we rush 10 guys. But he looked like a dude. Josh Allen sitting back there, the throws he was making, the clearing out with the post and then the crossing route to Stephon Diggs' touchdown. He knew that was clearing out. That guy was still in his eyesight, but he had flipped his hips a little bit,

and Josh knew that guy was going to bail with the go route or whatever. So it was like, it just feels like that team is awesome. And I'm pumped for Buffalo. They gave the number 8,000 people were at the airport for them last night. It looked like 38,000. I'm pumped for Buffalo, pumped for the Bills. Next week, they're playing the Dolphins. Yeah, they're hot right now.

They're playing great football. What they should do is just rest up, you know, take the last week off. And that's what Dolphins fans want. No, it's just for the Bills, too. Oh, because you're looking out for the Bills. And Gumpy's a diehard Dolphins fan, so you have to remember that. But if the Dolphins win, they're in. But they play the Bills.

The Bills now, if the Bills lose and the Steelers win, the Steelers will jump to the two seed, which plays the seventh seed. Three seed plays the sixth seed, obviously, and then four and five play against each other in the playoffs. I don't think the Bills care. And I'll tell you who definitely doesn't care. The Pittsburgh Steelers, I think they're just assuming, let's go with the number three seed they're gonna they're gonna have mason rudolph play uh this weekend has been announced by at rap sheet ian rapaport uh steelers coach

mike tommen tells reporters that qb mason rudolph will start week 17 a bye week for big ben the browns make the playoffs with a win and now this they face the Steelers' backup. So Miles Garrett, Mason Rudolph going against each other in a whack-a-mole, helmet-swinging revenge game, potentially, for Mason Rudolph. Or is this Miles Garrett saying, hey, we're making the playoffs for the first time in a long time. I don't care who we're playing against. So the Buffalo Bills, hearing this information,

potentially do rest against the Dolphins. Maybe the Dolphins get in as well because they're going to be playing against a different group. But if I'm the Buffalo Bills, I don't think I'm worried about a damn thing and who I'm playing. They look very good right now. Mason Rudolph, though, for the Pittsburgh Steelers, that team's going to stink.

Oh, they're going to be so bad. Mason Rudolph beats the Browns, knocks them out of the playoffs. You're in a bad spot, Browns. Man, could you imagine Cleveland this year? They get 10 wins for the first time in forever. They had a lot of hype on them. They lose to the fucking Jets in Week 16. Then if they lose to Mason Rudolph and the Steelers in Week 17,

don't make the playoffs, their fans are going to be like, same old fucking Browns. It's the same old story. There's no way. Browns probably win by 10 at least there, 14 maybe. I honestly do believe that. They get all their players back. They missed eight players last week at wide receivers and three offensive

linemen. They'll get them all back. They have to win and they're in. But then I think the Steelers face the Browns in the playoffs potentially. What was that, Nick? Maybe. Maybe they get them all back. This stuff tends to linger.

Oh, you're talking about COVID. It can spread quick. You're talking about 1-9. It's a shame, but it takes all of us. Some people forgot that. You're talking about the Rona. Whoa. Is that what you're talking about?

The line jumped from 7 to 9.5. See, because the way the sportsbook had it as Brown's seven-point favorites against the Pittsburgh Steelers, on Hammer Don, which is a gambling podcast that comes out of this office Monday, Thursday, Friday, Michael Lombardi said, because we talked about, to Michael Lombardi, former general manager, we said, do you rest your players if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers? Like, do you rest them because of the week four bye week and everything like that?

Or do you think to yourself, oh, they just learned how to play football again the second half of that Colts game. Do we want to continue to ride that momentum a little bit? And he goes, well, the Browns are favored by seven, so they're not starting, Ben. And I was like, what do you mean by that? He was like, somebody knows that they are resting, Ben. There's no way the Browns should be seven-point favorites against the Steelers

in week 17 game. There's just no way. And lo and behold, this morning they announced that Rudolph was. So the sportsbooks knew yesterday, even though it jumped to nine, they probably already knew yesterday that this was going to happen, or they were just predicting or guessing that it was going to happen. But Mason Rudolph, I think he is. Listen, I don't know him as a person, never met him. Probably a good guy. That guy fucking stinks at football. It just seems like he has stunk at NFL football. They had Duck Hodges start. Listen, quack, quack, quack. Is Duck dressing this weekend?

We love Duck. We love Duck, okay? Love Duck. Oh, yeah. Won games last year. But Mason got benched for Duck last year, and Duck was throwing the ball like six times a game, I think, at some point. I mean, it was – unless Mason Rudolph got incredibly better

during his Zoom calls this offseason, if you're a Steelers fan, are you just not watching this game? Is that what you're doing, Nick? Are you just not watching? No, I mean, it's the Browns. Yeah, but your team doesn't care. Your team doesn't care. They can't lose their Browns.

Finally figure out how to play football again. Let's just take them out, and then we'll just reset this whole process. Listen, I'm not Evan Fox. I'm not just going to turn the game off when things go south. We're going to watch. We're going to enjoy it, win or lose, because we're going to the playoffs, and the Browns might not be. Could you imagine if Mason fucking Rudolph beats the Browns?

There's no chance. There's no chance. As a Lions fan who is, you know, Lions are very similar to the Browns, I would be so scared of Mason Rudolph. There's a reason people say same old Lions or same old Bronnies, and this is exactly why, because they will lose to Mason Rudolph in Week 17. I think we might be doing a little recency bias here.

They're not. They were out eight wide receivers and three offensive linemen last week. The Jets beat them. I get it. But the Jets beat the BRNs. They didn't even have Al in there. You know what I mean? They're losing fucking most of their goddamn team, dude.

If they lose to Mason Rudolph, I feel so bad for the damn dog pound. It's unbelievable. The Steelers lost to the Bengals of Big Ben. They are going to get slaughtered by the Browns with Mason Rudolph. That's what I think as well. Slaughtered.

But, man, the football gods seem to dump on some cities. And this would be a massive shit on Cleveland. Ben and the god did, in fact, come together last week at halftime. So here we are. I'm happy it was Ben and God coming together and not everything else you guys have been saying. Well, they came together and they, you know, came all over. We gotta get to a break.

And shout out to us for making an official announcement for the NFL. Now, there might be an asterisk next to this one, a pretty large one, but we would like to be the first ones to say this. Joining us now is a man who this season has thrown

for 4,059 yards. 44 touchdowns with only five interceptions. A man who this 2020 season has made football look easier than A.J. Dillon did against Boston Connor in high school up in Massachusetts. In a band that we can say officially, kind of, the 2020 NFL MVP. Aaron Rodgers. Congrats, man.

Congrats, dude. You did it. Congratulations, Aaron. You did it, Aaron. You did it. Congrats, man. What's on your shirt, buddy? Me?

Santa Claus, Stone Cold, and some milk and cookies. You know what I mean? Nice. What's on your shirt? buddy? Me? Santa Claus, stone cold, and some milk and cookies. You know what I mean? Nice. What's on your shirt there? The Empire Strikes Back? You a big Star Wars guy? I'm a huge Star Wars guy. I would have guessed that, I think, actually, now that I've got the memory. Let me put a caveat on that.

I have not seen The Mandalorian, any of it. So you'd be like, oh, my God, you haven't seen The Mandalorian? Yeah, because there's people that aren't Star Wars fans that have seen the mandalorian you know what i mean that was kind of like the thing yeah well i'll get to it at some point but i'm episode four five and six very very special to me are those movies i don't i don't want star wars the originals what are the originals man new hope empire strikes back return of the jedi yeah do you watch them like yearly or is it just something you haven't seen in a long time is it something you keep up with you do it again remind you of how awesome they are star wars really that close to you

pat i feel like you're a guy who has some nostalgia in your life you know some feelings of attachment to certain points in your life yeah yeah that's what those movies are for me well for me it's i watch them every single year and And for me, it's the Attitude Era of WWF. What's John Gold is losing his mind. Not when Goldberg was sticking people and Hogan and the NWO. I guess you're a little young for that. No, no, no, no.

That's the Monday Night Wars. I was in the middle of that. I was always a WWF guy, which is now WWE, but the Goldberg streak, he couldn't help but respect it. Just a wall of a man spearing people every single night. It was awesome. Ripping heaters and doing trap raises. Hey, we had

AJ Dillon on earlier. He looked like he had shoulder pads on underneath of his hoodie. He is a strapping young lad over there. Yeah. Did he walk around and twirl around? Did he show you his quads or anything? He did mention that you talked about his quads being bigger than my quads

earlier this year, and he asked how I felt about it. So it felt like a little bit of a shot from AJ, and it reminded me of a shot that you took of me. But his legs are grotesque. He had a massive game on Sunday night, though. Did you expect that from him? No, not really. Not really. I mean Sunday night, though. Did you expect that from him? No, not really. Not really.

I mean, legit, though. I knew that with Jamal out, he was going to get some carries. And then with Jonesy getting banged up, he was in the first series. I wasn't sure if we were just spelling Aaron and giving him a little break or not. And then he was in the next series. I was like, oh, he must be actually hurt. So this kid's going to get a lot of carries. But he settled in. I think he had a couple a couple uh plays that gave him some

confidence he broke some tackles and ran a couple guys over a couple of his own guys as well um he was just bully ball man he was running uh he was running pretty hard it was fun to watch hey let's back from the big backs in the winter have done pretty well over the years in green bay well that's you got to be able to run the – do you believe that old – you know, like the old cliche that playoff football December, January, you've got to be able to run the ball? You don't believe that? I don't believe that.

But I do believe that it is a little harder to tackle big backs in the winter, outdoors, in the elements. Well, how come it looks so easy to you out there? It was not just football in general, which the season has for you. Congrats on the 2020 MVP. You didn't even say anything about it. We gave a full fucking celebration. We had poppers the whole thing.

We're going to have to clean those up. See, the popper is really going up. I saw some of the boys, you know, those quick snapshots of them. I didn't see like they were – okay, yeah, I saw that. Oh, they're smoking that thing. I didn't know there was like like, little blanks in there. Yeah. Look, we have a full mess.

Coming in. Look at that, dude. You won the MVP, bro. Woo! Woo! That one's broke. Mine was a dud, too. How are you guys able to even operate the show without Ty?

You know, Ty sent me a message, you know, said he has some, you know, fiance duties that he had to take care of. Yeah. I don't know. And then AJ, you know, he's,

you know, on vacation. Yeah. How does the show, what's the glue that keeps the show together? I've always wondered. This is,

let me tell you, the only reason why we're live right now is so we can save vacation time for the off season. Like literally, that's the only time,

the only reason why we are currently live and everybody else seems to be on a break, everybody literally seems to be on a break, is because we're saving days for the offseason when we've got to go to Malibu alongside Ty. Well, I'm going to get an Airbnb, but Ty will be at your place or whatever. We've got to save up vacation days for that type of stuff. But we do miss Ty around here on a daily. We will tell you that.

We do miss the guy around here. Hey, you know, it's important duties for him. It's's been i'm sure a weird year for him and his fiancee thinking you're gonna get married at some point and you gotta push it back we my wife and i had to do that my wife had to plan like four weddings it was a nightmare i mean obviously best day of my life let's not hey let's not get it twisted best day of my life with it but the process of being a covet wedding was wild and ty's been in the middle of that as well aaron ty's basically means she said yes four times to you so you gotta feel good about that yeah i didn't three opportunities for her to be like i just don't know if it's in the cards i mean i feel like the signs are saying that

so four different times she said yeah look how positive you are there like i didn't even think about her you know saying well i could opt out now the world the universe kind of gave me a reason to potentially opt out another time and then oh wait there's another wave there's the universe again and she said no that's a very positive way to look at that i appreciate that that means a lot let's talk positive about your athleticism how about you skirt skirt skirt for like a 15, 16-yard gain? I thought you were going to be very winded afterwards. You look like you were just as fresh as a daisy afterwards. I get faster in the snow, I've always felt like.

That was a screen pass, actually. It was supposed to be a screen to the left. I'm not sure what Billy Turner was doing on that play, but I rolled out to the right. I looked to the left. They were all over the screen. I said, I'm going to run this bitch and cut it back there.

I had vision to the end zone for sure. I must admit, I get a little jealous. I watch Tannehill get to do some read option stuff. He runs 50 for a touchdown. Just still waiting.

Just still waiting on my opportunities for that. Throwing passes. The other quarterbacks get a chance to catch passes. All I do is just sit in the pocket and read defenses, man. What's that all about? It looks boring. It does for you. It looks very boring.

Four incompletions this past week. What an embarrassment. Jeez. What an absolute embarrassment. How come, is it because you just have massive hands? That's what I assume. How come in the snow, you guys, like 20 degrees, it had to be cold as hell. You got your long johns on, which is hilarious, by the way,

that you just wear long john underwear, it looks like. But it feels like you get better in those conditions. What is it? Because it's going to be a tough out for anybody to have to go to Lambeau. I think Tennessee realized that, and they were a run team. It changed their entire team. You guys seem to get better in the snow. Why is it? Is to be a tough out for anybody to have to go to Lambeau. I think Tennessee realized that. And they were a run team. It changed their entire team. You guys seem to get better in the snow. Why is it?

Is it just a comfort? Is it like you're used to it? What is it? I don't know about anybody else, but I keep telling myself that I am less miserable than they are. And I think there's something to that. There's something to practicing outside and just being around the goal and doing things in that environment that, you know, you just kind of deal with it.

It's a mindset. Other teams come in, you just give them a reason to start letting those feelings creep in, that, man, this sucks. Man, I can't wait to get on the bus and get out of here and get back home and get in a warm environment. And just give them a reason to start having those thoughts when you can score early and we score in the first three possessions and although they came back and made a game in the third quarter uh that definitely gave us a big jolt of confidence and and then you know we had back-to-back possessions there and

when they came back to to put them away and it's a different environment. It takes a different type of mindset to play in the cold. It does help having big hands and having a lot of games under my belt in those type of conditions. But, you know, a lot of it is, it really is, I feel, is a mindset. And we've been, we handle it really well. Do you work with, like, wet ball? Do you do wet ball drills all week? I hate – with a passion, I hate wet ball drills.

Farvey and I used to – he used to go through kind of his top five least favorite things, you know, that he has to do in a week or, you know, especially with football. Wet ball drills is in the top five for sure. It's one of the dumbest drills ever invented it has zero application to an actual game in no game at no time where you have a ball that just got out of being dunked in the water that you have to find a way to hold and throw even in the wettest games i've played in the most rain it's not anywhere near that ridiculous drill. And I refuse to do that.

Right up next to it is staying at a hotel night before a game. Oh, the worst. There is zero scientific evidence or reasons. And I think in all my years, I finally understood where it came from recently. It was some coach who said, I'm going to do things differently. Let's have everybody stay in a hotel. And luckily for him, he had some success.

And then some people on his staff were like, hey, remember what that coach used to do, make everybody stay at the hotel? We should do that. And then it perpetuated this idea that you have to stay at a hotel at night a game have this weird bizarre forced accountability that also you're staying the most important night of sleep on a bed that's not even your own bed oh it's it is the most ridiculous thing in our i think probably in our sport now away games obviously

have to travel aaron's talking about home games and for those that don't know home games yeah away games you get you go on the road you stay at a hotel. That's normal. But staying at home, it's a home game. And then having to go to a hotel and stay at a hotel. I mean, if you ask AJ, he could tell a story.

He would, AJ, he would wake up at, I don't know, four or five, the earliest time he could wake up and then go back home and sleep for another two or three hours in the morning. A lot of guys would do that, by the way. A lot of guys would do that on a cold as well. Yeah, a lot of guys, myself included, a lot of times. It is the dumbest part.

Don't you have any pull over there? Don't you have any? You're Aaron Rodgers, dude. Can't you be like, you know what I've decided? I'm staying in my white brick house the night before this game I think I've deserved it at this point yeah if you want to take a little 10 grand 15 20 grand fine maybe yeah and also you kind of look like a dick I guess if everybody else isn't doing it but you're 100% right everybody thought it was dumb everybody thinks it's dumb it still happens was there ever

a time in your NFL career where it didn't happen like early no it was always that was always a standard um you know we've stayed at dorms in during training camp as well over at St. Norbert's and I don't think that's dumb but guys you know often like they see me like leaving in the morning like wait you stay at the dorms too I would I would ask that question as well yeah well it's nice to get you, I think dorm rooms though, training camp, I think teams getting away and getting together is a good thing to build team camaraderie.

I think the night before hotel thing is just like how can we control you one last time before the game starts? Personally, I think it's very, we had bedbugs in one of the hotels we were in at home. It was wild. Had to change hotels like literally as we were at the hotel, had to go to another hotel. Oh, bedbugs were found in a couple of guys' rooms.

Was it anybody important? Like I'll take it. Like we don't need luck and goddamn bedbugs at this point. I mean, it is, it is a wild archaic idea. You're going to win the MVP. Like I assume that is something you've talked about how it would be cool if you want to be important to you and you care about the MVP, but you're going to how it would be cool if you want to or it'd be important to you and you care about the mvp but you're going to win it now at this point we've been banging the drum hard a lot of money has been made in this office for betting on you winning the mvp beginning of the season you're plus 2300 plus 2300 just a couple weeks ago you were plus 600 now you're

minus 145 you don't know what gambling is but that is bad odds now you're not nobody's making money early we made a lot of money off of you winning the MVP. But do you, whenever you think about the MVP, is that a goal of yours going into every season? Is there a list of goals? How about going into games? Do you have a list of goals for each game? How do you operate?

Is it just like, I just want to go win the games? I mean, I think it's preseason goals and things you'd like to accomplish. Game to game, it's way simpler than that. It's not statistical goals. It's more of a way of playing. It's getting into a rhythm. It's decision making. It's the checks.

It's a set of boxes that I'd like to check off. Just making sure that I'm getting this in the right place and decision making. The rest of the stuff comes with those boxes being checked. The performance and the stats and all that just come with doing little things. That's why I like to break it down even more than that. But beginning of the season, for sure. You know, if you have the type of performance week to week that you want to have, you're going to be in the mix for Pro Bowl and All-Pro and MVP.

And anyone who says that stuff's not important to them is just a robot who probably is not someone that you or I would want to spend time with. Because I don't know why people would shy away from, from just sharing their feelings on, on that. Like, why would you not want to be voted pro? Why would you not want to be voted all pro? Why would you not want to win MVP? Like those are, those are markers in our game that are voted on by people who have studied

the game for a long time. And, and yeah, would it be cool? Hell yeah. It'd be awesome. How many do you have at this point? I've won two. Do you have the, do you have at this point? I have one, too. Do you have them up anywhere? Are they in an office?

Are they hanging out? You got them in a vault? Yeah, my vault. You have a vault? Do you really? You got like an escape room? I love escape rooms. Have you ever done those before?

No, but I've seen it. It seems like it's a good time. It's like jigsaw, right? It's like saw, but you don't get your legs cut off and shit. Yeah. It's a little safer than that. Do you have them in your office? Yeah, I just have them in a couple.

I think one of them's here and one of them's probably out west somewhere. Do you take photos with people? Depends. I like to have normal conversations, interactions with people depends i'd like to have you know normal conversations interactions with people so if it's not a good time or i'm doing something that i might say hey it's you know sorry man it's not a good time you know i'm on the phone or i'm i'm talking about other famous people because i want i'm in my head i'm thinking of payton's office i walked into one time i probably wasn't supposed to be in there i went to down a hallway i probably wasn't supposed to go down. Went to a bathroom I probably wasn't supposed to be in.

And then directly across from the bathroom was his office, which I probably definitely wasn't supposed to go into. And he just, he had his MVPs in there. And he had photos with every human that was of a notable human, just all around his office. And it was kind of cool for me to be like, oh, like Peyton's a fan of people. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like uh it was almost like a situation where now granted I think Archie came in and found me was like Pat what's going on in here and he was like look you're missed you're missed in the living room or whatever and I was like oh Archie I'm sorry about that but it was like kind of cool to see he had his awards in there obviously and I was like well I'm obviously never going to accomplish anything near what this guy's accomplished but then the photos I was like oh it kind of made me

look at Peyton more of like a human do you take photos with like other notable do you guys when you're in your little notable hangouts uh do you guys all take photos with each other how does that work i mean my office is not decked out with me uh and photos of other people it's uh like famous people it's me and my friends you know i have a picture from tahoe with aj and his brother and my buddy Eric and my buddy Brian and his buddy Clay. I have a painting of the seventh hole at Pebble that Scotty Tolzien got me. I love Scotty Tolzien. I love the holes in all of golf. Yeah, he got me that for Christmas one year.

I have pictures with other friends. I've got a Bob Ross painting in there. So, yeah, I love it. There you go. Let's see, Bobby. I have to have dark in order to show light. It's just like in life. This is Dad Days for Life sent me this.

Merry Christmas to me, dude. I put him right next to Jesus over here. He hasn't made his way up. Is that Jared Lorenzen on there, too? Yeah, the hefty, lefty man. He sent this to us. Or we bought it. I forget which one it was. But good guy. He's always

on here every day. What a legend of a man that guy was. Yeah. Hey, he could huck that ball now. I mean, he would He's a good man. He really could. He would stand there and he just... Did you see Josh Allen last night? Did you watch the game last night? No. He can hum it, dude.

It feels like there's some – like right now it feels like there's a lot of quarterbacks who can fucking throw – hawk that pigskin right now. Yeah, he's got a helping arm. He can do it from every arm angle. Did you see your boy Matty Stafford have a no-look touchdown the other day? Yes. I mean, I said it on this show no i know i know right yeah yeah and you never get any credit for it this shouldn't be surprising to people he's been doing it for years all right i wrote down some things during the game to ask you about you're squatting 405 pounds right now

is that real yeah that's real when do you once a week you when do you max out are you maxing out during this tuesdays is my uh no it's not a max out it's not a one rep max it's it's uh at least three reps and it's um it's it's set so i'll work up i'll start like uh today was a lighter day so i only finished with 365 but it was a different time a different time you know the the strain wasn't supposed to be uh like it is in other days but we never do one right maxes it's just it's kind of a um a build-up in weight so when i when i get up to 405 it's you know start with 365 and then go 385 and go 405 and you said you just started doing that again this year is that the big thing you looked back from 2010 and film and preseason and saw your legs second half second half of last year and then

this entire year yeah i think it's really it's really helped i just need to build my legs back after you know i broke my leg and sprained my uh mcl and uh n18 i just need to i just couldn't do a whole lot on that leg i need to build up with proprioception first. And then once I got the proprioception back, then I really started adding some lifting. Propriocept? Balance. Oh! Wow!

Hey! MVP brain over there, dude. What was the thing you looked at in film from 2010 that you said uh you would you would let us know what it was at some point what was it it's the season not over yet all right we'll get that that's all the secrets yet pat come on hey okay all right great uh you have most touchdowns in a stadium okay there's a rothisberger and heinz i assume and then there's gillette with tom and then you pass brett farve, who had 216 or something like that.

Lambeau, it feels like it's going to be home field advantage now for you guys in the playoffs as well. But is that your favorite place to play? I would assume it is at this point. It would have to be. But is there anywhere else that even comes close to playing at Lambeau for you? Well, I like playing at Soldier Field as well, which is this week. You know, we've had some big there. It's way better with fans. I mean, look, the fans make the environment.

Like, obviously, the rivalry helps, and if you're playing a good team, but when you have a fan base that's so invested, like Chicago sports fans are like new york sports fans and boston sports fans especially and obviously our fans but there's just some places that are made more special by the ambience and the noise and the environment that a fan base can bring and soldier field is one of those places it's just such a fun place to play there's so much history in that stadium and so many great players and great rivalries and great games there. And we've had some big ones over the years as well,

some really, you know, some big wins. Won the NFC Championship there, came back from Broken Collarbone at 13 and hit a fourth and eight to Cobby there. So there's been some big ones over the years at that stadium. Always some epic battles as well, uh so there's been some there's been some big ones over the years at that stadium always some epic battles as well especially over the years with uh erlacher and briggs and peanut and uh

julius and all the guys they've had and now this group of guys who are super talented as well so and there's a lot to play for they obviously have been playing better they've won three out of four uh since we last played them. And they, you know, have a fast track in the playoffs. You know, they control their own fate. We also have to win to get the one seed. So definitely a lot on the line. Oh, I like to hear that, by the way.

The whole, you know, we also got a one seed to get. Everybody's going to have to come through Lambeau. Much different football game. Can't wait to see how you do in Soldier Field. Do you have any hilarious interactions with fans? Anybody ever say something just absolutely despicable to you, right to your face, because they paid for a ticket in the front row of a stadium,

so they're allowed to say whatever they want to anybody? Oh, I mean, there's been a bunch. There's been a bunch over the years. I think the rowdiest and the biggest trash talkers and the funniest trash talkers are in Philly. Oh, yeah, me too. Yeah, that's where I am. There's been a lot of different interactions. the biggest trash talkers and the funniest track talkers are in Philly. Oh yeah. Me too. Yeah. That's where there's been a lot of different interactions and we had a

stretch there. We played them a few times in Philly. And one time I got hit with a battery in the helmet. Um, but the funniest was we were playing them on a Monday night. I think it was in 2006. And one of your boys can fact check this. I feel like it was

2006. Might have been 2005. But the entire game, every time Favre would come out of the game and we'd look at the pictures, somebody in the stands would yell, hey, Rogers, get the splinters out your ass.

The entire game. I mean, he had to be in one of the first two rows, but every single time I came over, get the splinters out your ass. Did you ever turn around and interact with said guy? I did because in the beginning I was like, man, why are you yelling at me? You know, like of all the things you could be yelling. And then when you just kept going and going, it from like to like i respect this guy now this guy this is he's he's carried it on the entire game at some point i got to turn around and and give this guy a thumbs up so i turned

around he looked at me i was like hey kudos to you bro that's a you know for you sticking with it the stick-to-itiveness that you have? Oh, yeah. People have yelled at the entire game without me turning around to like the middle of the third quarter. A lot of respect for that. Hi to Philly. We played the Eagles the week after my suspension from my alleged event in Philadelphia primetime game. Couldn't have been a worse place to go to after that arrest that I had.

It was amazing. The entire game. Some guy who sounded like he was potentially 400 pounds, and once I eventually turned around, he was about five bills or whatever. You could hear it in his voice. He was giving it to me. McCaffey T. My name was wrong the entire time.

And Vinatieri and I made an agreement that I wasn't going to turn around because we knew I was going to hear it from Philly. We knew I was going to hear things, especially after a week's suspension or whatever, and I was like, I'm not going to give him even the time of day. This guy, though, after the first couple of times, I'm like, I got to see this human. I turn around. He's holding a cartoon-sized beer. It was like a 44-ouncer, it felt like. And he goes, there's nothing wrong with having a few of these and going for a swim. And his entire section started cheering. They're like, yeah. He chugged his beer or whatever. And his entire section started cheering, right?

They're like, yeah. He like chugged his beer or whatever. And I'm like, oh, my man, like, I appreciate you, you know? I go out there. I pin him at like the one. I got lucky on a punt. I go back. And he goes, McCaffey.

And I turn around. He goes, fuck you. I was like, I thought we were friends. I thought we were friends. It was like I had the full Philadelphia Eagles fan experience in about five minutes. I love them. Baltimore was always rowdy, I thought. I love them. Baltimore was always rowdy, I thought.

I enjoy them. Pittsburgh was always rowdy. I enjoy those fans that are just ruthless. Like, I love that type of shit. Yeah, I like, you know, one of the other things you miss about the fans is there's always some wild cards that could show up. Like in Cincy in 05, when we were driving down and some dude runs out of the stands right past me,

we're like on the plus 20 going in, down seven trying to score, and he runs down there and the back judge sees it when he's running about the plus 40. I'm standing on the minus 30, so I'm way away from the play. So he literally runs like 70 yards, takes the ball out of Favre's hands, and they've blown the play at this point. We're like on the ball in two minutes. They've blown the play, and he runs down to try and score a touchdown.

And he's already exhausted. I got him some credit because he ran about 80 yards to even get the ball. Then he's trying to go 80 the other way. He wasn't in shape. He wasn't in shape. In Philly, I believe it might have been that same game where splinters at your ass somebody ran on the field and dumped a substance at midfield we're not to be his mother's ashes oh my god

lambo as well you never know like there hasn't been any dongs out or anything, but there's been some speedos and some streakers, and they always get ripped by some security guard or player. Brad Jones, one of our linebackers one time, was on kickoff. Somebody ran out there, avoided a couple of our security guys, and then Brad just clotheslined the shit out of them, and then they jumped on them. But I do miss the wild cards.

You miss the fans. You miss the fans. A lady or a guy dumping his mother's ashes on the midfield is a story I haven't heard, and I wish I did. Let's talk about running. My next question here, I have it written down. How tired were you at the end of the half when you ran a gasser before throwing it? You ran 53 and a third all the way over the game, like four yards or whatever.

At what point were you regretting your entire decision there? Or was it like, I can't believe I have this much time back here? When I turned back to the right, I was really thinking that Jones, who was blocking on the backside of the rollout, I thought he might be wide open. I could just dump it to him. Once I turned, I realized he's – I don't know why. He's behind me.

So I can't throw it to him. Basically, all the other guys down the field are out of range or covered. And I start running back to the right and thinking, okay, now a guy is going to start coming back over. I'm going to have a place to go with the football. Or Jonesy's going to get in front of me and I can toss the hammer. I can be lateral to him. Anything to get the ball out of my hands. After about

40, 50 yards, I'm pretty gassed. Then I have to do the calculation of my head quickly. How far is this sideline compared to how far to 51 drills me? And then at one point, do I want to take him on and try and juke him? I'll get like 20 yards.

That is a fleeting thought. It gets out of my head very quickly. Then I realized I've got to try and make it to the sideline and was able to just make it. Then there was some really interesting trash talk that went on as 51 decided to call me a name, and then I asked him why he called me the name. And so there was a good back and forth.

And then 98, you know, wanted to jump in and have some conversation. So there was, to answer your question, as I left the field, after throwing up the tail there on whatever down that was, about halfway up the tunnel, I was like, man, my leg's a little heavy. A little bit tired. Why don't I just throw it away? Normally, you get along, by the way, with the opponent. What happened between 51-98 and yourself?

Did it end up being a kosher, or was there a little bit of problems there? It was kosher towards the end of the game. In 98, Mississippi State, a really good player, and he played with our left guard, Elton Jenkins and so we kind of knew that he was going to be talking most of the game and literally at one point late in the game he said

can't run my side and it was like me and I don't know if it was Big Dog or somebody else, we looked up at the scoreboard and we were like we ran for 225 yards pretty well to both sides tonight. I like the interaction, and we had a good time with that. 51 and I had a good conversation after that.

Yeah, I can imagine. I was just confused. I ran out of baths, and he's calling me a name. What name did he call you? You don't have to say it. Can we describe it? Is it a very soft, delicate, very important to society thing well no no it wasn't even a big deal he just you know it it wasn't great trash talk it wasn't oh did you

tell him that like if i had to grade what you said to me they're also weak by the way is that i told him i said i said i appreciate the answer but but the trash talk wasn't top notch. All right, next question. Malcolm Butler does the belt, okay? He intercepts you, all right? As soon as he intercepts you, he knows in his head, I just intercepted a goat here. This is going up in the office.

Probably this ball right here is going up in the office. It's going up in the man. You could see that he kind of forgot what he wanted to do. Then he did a very subtle belt. Okay, just a very subtle one. You guys were up 19 at this point. He did a very subtle belt at this point. Then what followed there, I don't know if you know this or not,

but I'll let you know. You wanted Devontae, and he ran by him and then you dropped one in the bucket right by Malcolm Butler and then you guys scored a touchdown there. Did you see the belt and did that affect any of the future plays that happened in the rest of the game? I didn't see it.

You didn't see it? I didn't see it, but I think at this point people should know that that's just hasn't worked out over the years. Oh, man. It hasn't. Even my boy Jimmy Graham did it back in like 2011. We played him in the opening game.

It hasn't worked out very well. So I don't have a whole lot to say about that. I didn't see it. It wouldn't have stopped me or made me want to go his side anymore yeah there was nothing stopping you and davante this weekend he was i mean watching you throwing in the 20 degree weather in the snow is stupid you make it look very easy him cutting it feels like he just has a different balance to him in the snow than everybody else he was making it all look so easy and your quote after the game was you've always said that charles woodson was the

best player football player you've ever seen it's time for davante to get into that conversation what is it is this year been anything different with davante has this always been davante we just haven't noticed or is this just what he is unbelievable to watch you two are a hell of a tag team it is a blast to watch you guys work yeah i mean i i think just the way that he's dominated i haven't seen uh this this type of domination since charles um it's just been on a different level we've played uh you know we've played 15 games he's played 13 but really 12 and a half because he missed the whole second half of detroit uh so the numbers that he's put up is ridiculous and you start talking about the history of a franchise this isn't just any

franchise this is the green bay packers we've been around since 1919 um and i know that you know throwing the football hasn't been uh the. It wasn't the same back in 1919. Even in the 1960s, it was all about the Packers sweep and the more running-focused team. But you're talking about the history of a story franchise, and he is four catches away, two touchdowns away, and the yardage is a little high. But you're talking about a guy that's really played 12 1⁄2 games

and had over 100 catches and 17 touchdowns and 1,300 yards, something that only those numbers, that only I believe Chris Carter and Randy Moss have done, it starts to get up in that upper echelon of seasons where the greatness that you're rubbing shoulders with is all time. It's guys who are wearing yellow jackets. So that's when I feel like the conversation has to start

changing and you have to just give him his credit for what he's accomplished this year. That catch he had on Malcolm Bear late in the game, in September it's a tough catch. In September in 75 degrees it's a tough catch. In December in

20 degrees it's an incredible catch. It's amazing. And just the stuff that he does is amazing. I threw a ball to him on a deep over in the first quarter. And he made like a catch where he kind of super nonchalantly, it was behind him probably foot, and he just kind of whirled around and caught, it looked like a back shoulder like crossing route. And I was mad because I hit him on his front number.

Who knows? He might have gotten best in score. But just he catches it and he tucks it just so smooth. It's like these little plays that people probably don't even see in their moment. They think, oh, nice throw, good catch. It wasn't a great throw, and it was an amazing catch. It was too nonchalant by him.

But he just does a lot of things. The touchdown over the middle, obviously we had great protection and play fake. We're looking for big dog on the play. He broke his route off. He's supposed to run a deep over on the play he broke his rod out broke his rod off he's supposed to run a deep uh deep over on the back line uh but him and i were on the same page we talked about something uh you know a week ago in a different play against different opponents and he ended up making that

adjustment in the moment i saw it hit him that's the things you love just when you don't even have to communicate about it and it can come together like that how um whenever you so this is kind of coming up with a lot of younger quarterbacks all right so tua is the topic of a conversation and there's some mic'd up moments between fitz magic and tua where fitz magic is basically telling tua like you know some nights or some days the guy you see isn't going to be open but you got to take your shot like it's one two and he might not be, but you've got to take your shot. Like it's 1-2, and he might not be open, but you've still got to take your shot. Whenever you have a guy like Devontae out there, is he just always open? Like in your mind, you hear wide receivers be like, hey, I'm like 7-11, I'm always open.

Is that what it is with Devontae? Like it doesn't matter what the corner does? It's like you have so much trust in him? Or how does that all kind of play out there? I think it always depends on the route. I'm always looking for the highest percentage play the highest percentage pass within the play and you know the old offense it came down to matchups and it was really about trying to pick the best matchup all the time this offense is so much more about progressions and scheme it's a

little different mindset but i can easily jump uh Devontae from the three in the progression to the one in the progression on certain plays based on the route that he has and his ability to run that route and the expectation he's going to win it, which happens a lot because he's just such a dynamic route runner. We do call a lot of plays for him. Why wouldn't you when you have a guy that's that dynamic? why wouldn't you when you have a guy that's that dynamic? But his ability to do things within the offense and make it his own, add his own creativity and flair to the routes, allows him to be open way more than other guys. You know, I saw this back in 14.

I remember we played Seattle first game of the year and they whooped us. The whole game we put Jordy on the left. We weren't sure if Richard was going to go travel with him, but we put him on the left. If Richard did travel with him, he's more of a defensive left corner, which is the offensive right, so

maybe that would make him feel a little less comfortable. He didn't. He stayed on his side. Devontae was going against him most of the game as our outside receiver. And I went back and watched that film, and I remember thinking, and this kid was open a lot. He was running really, really good routes. Kind of locked that away and didn't –

obviously he had a couple big games that year he had a big game against new england and a big game in playoffs against dallas but i never forgot like his ability to run routes especially against the premier corner like richard one of the best of our generation um if not the best but oh dude that's a big statement you just started so much shit with that i mean mean, you were complimenting Devontae, but what you just said about Rick, that's going to cause its own thing. What thing? Well, just the thing with the best thing, the thing.

Anytime you do that, it becomes a thing. Whatever. I mean, I've played against so many great ones over the years, and he's in the conversation. I mean, he's so talented. But you saw early that Devontae was going to be special. He had just a different type of route running ability. Yeah.

And then he transformed his body because at that time he was like 225. He was thick. I think he weighs more closer to 210 now. And he's quick enough to get on top and the big guys over the top. And then if you press him, it's tough.

A couple more questions here. I thank you for your time, by the way. You're the best. Congrats on the 2020 MVP. Yeah! Scary. What's that, dude? I love you. Yep. I love you too, man. Roger Goodell told me uh i was allowed to announce that today if i wanted to so it's very nice he tweeted me oh roge yeah at nfl commission dude he said hey what's scary ninja mean dude does that mean throw

to the left oh no no i can't tell you what that means you're gonna have to change it everybody heard it dude like i'm not the only one that heard Scary Ninja. I mean, it was very loud. It was like you were screaming into my living room, Scary Ninja, that particular one. How awesome is it to be able to say that? Now that they can hear everything? I mean, what's cooler than a Scary Ninja?

Scary Ninja! Green 90s! And it was a throw to the left. I was so... It felt like you were even maybe grabbing the microphone with how clear it came through. It sounded like you were even like as loud as you possibly could. You won't tell me what it means.

That's great. Aaron Jones stepped out of bounds on that long play. At what point do you know he stepped out of bounds or we got to hurry up and snap that thing before a challenge is out there? Does Aaron tell you that he potentially did it or how's that communication work a lot of times if a receiver knows they didn't catch it they'll kind of give me a sign if they call it a catch and we'll go quickly just to put an uh an onus on it and it's worked the other way too sometimes when the when you're hearing your ear like oh we didn't didn't catch it. We got to go quick. We got to run a quick play.

Sometimes the receiver would be like, hey, I caught it. We're good. And most of the time they haven't been wrong. In this situation, you know, it was our sideline, and I believe either Matt saw it or somebody upstairs saw it, and they were like, hey, we got to get our, you know, a quick play called here. So get us into something. Like, hey, we've got to get a quick play called here, so get us into something. And every time that situation happens, you're almost expecting it to get blown dead and look over the red challenge flag.

There is some gamesmanship that happens, and this happens at every stadium. They won't show certain plays, replays on the jumbotron. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I don't know. You know, I was too busy trying to get this lined up. I'm not sure if they show the replay or not. But that situation where you get some home cooking,

that happens, again, it's not a Green Bay thing. That happens at every stadium. There's, you know, questionable calls. You know, they start showing the replay, and they cut it off really quick. Like, no, no, we can't show that. We can't show that, you know. I remember we had some

coaches that Lucas Oil Stadium was showing the replays faster than everybody else. The person that was doing the replays wanted to prove that he was maybe the best replay operator in the entire NFL. There would be some suspect things and this replay would go up quicker than everywhere else. I remember some coaches going,

we play everywhere else. They don't show the replay. Our guy, fucking quickest on the trigger in the history. He screws us out of 50, 60 yards every single time. And it kind of like worked its way. I think like the complaints, you can't tell them to go slow. You just got to kind of hope like, hey man, you know, there's like a set of rules.

I think you have to show it within a certain amount of time. If we can maybe, you know, not be the quickest in the NFL, that would be fantastic through this entire thing. I've always, because you catch people off sides, with your counts too many men on the field this past week that was an obvious out of bounds that they didn't call which a lot of people had questions about because there was a ref staring directly at that thing and they didn't call it but it's also it's also a snowy field with white lines. How do you know? Did you know where you were at all times? Did they get the – because I saw they had the sidelines so you could see every five yards.

And then they had the hashes so you could see it. Did you know exactly what yard you were on every single time? No. Because you couldn't – it was hard to see where the yard markers were on the sidelines. So, no, it was confusing at times for sure. It wasn't the snowiest game I've been a part of. It was probably top three or four.

But it does change. This changed a couple times where I threw to a guy, and the end of the snow on the field was the beginning of the, on the field was the beginning of the let's call it four feet uh that they were able to plow uh by the sideline so it was a weird dynamic to like guys are still going and getting hit and tackled even on the my run where i ran you know 78 yards or whatever it was i got to the edge of the snow and i didn't realize oh shoot i still have like three feet until I get out of bounds or he can still rock me you know yeah and I'm thankful that he didn't uh but uh but yeah yeah but it does make things a little more difficult I think for the refs um looking at that but yeah I mean it all balances out I think hey you're the man what are you doing today aside

you got your squats already done you got any you got a massage today big massage you're the man. What are you doing today? You got your squats already done? You got a massage today? Big massage? You going to watch The Empire Strikes Back maybe? Yeah, massage. You know, look at some more film. And then, you know, I just had Christmas, so there's some cleanup to be done. And Aston Martin was parked up front or what from Bakhtiar? Oh, my God.

I didn't bring that. I do want to give Dave credit because I've been giving him so much shit on this program. He did give me an Aston Martin. It's a model Aston Martin that looked like it was used as well. So it wasn't even a new model that maybe he spent time putting together from Hobby Lobby or Michaels or something. But he did give me a model of that. And I have to contractually tell you guys that he supposedly is getting me a golf cart. Oh, like one with speakers and like souped up a little bit, like a nice golf cart.

Supposed to be souped up. I don't know if it's an Aston Martin golf cart, but I will say that I am excited about that. I want to let you know that, you know, it wasn't the right movie that you talked about, and we ordered this two weeks before Christmas. It just got here today. This was supposed to get sent to Lambeau. We were going to send this over, you know, to kind of flex on Bakhtiari.

We're not sure it's the right Aston Martin, but it is an Aston Martin. Turns out we'll just leave it right here on the desk for you. No, no, no. See, because that one looks new. The one he gave me is 100% used. I don't know if he bought it off of eBay or something, but it wasn't even clean when I got it. It had smudge marks all over it. It needs a good wax job, let me tell you that.

I'm still holding out hope. His gift was solid. I mean, he's giving me a I it was, it was solid. I mean, he's giving me a, I know how much those things cost. He's, you know,

he's, he's getting me a, you know, a golf cart. I don't know where I'm going to put it. It's winter time. I don't know if I'm going to see it, you know,

next September. You put it in my mouth. I do. There's no place to put it out there. Oh, cause it's so much beach and the house is so big. Is that why? Yeah, basically.

I saw the whole place, dude. I took a tour of that house before you even bought it, I think. I got over this shit. I'm telling you, I did, dude. I'm so sorry. God damn it, I had one more. Oh, did you see Jake from State Farm's Hyundai guy now? What? I'm telling you I did, dude. I'm so sorry. God damn it. I had one more. Oh, did you see Jake from State Farm's Hyundai guy now?

What? He's on a Hyundai commercial. Jake from State Farm is now Hyundai. There was actually a time this Sunday that went from you hitting the shit out of that driver because there wasn't a Rogers rate, flexing, good acting with the glove takeoff with your remark, incredible acting. You're a thespian much larger than any of us could and then right back to back jake from state farm uh hustling

hyundai's this guy's raking in all the commercial money what shot did he have but was it elastic in the in the sleeves and his shirt or what was he rocking was he showing off the pipes yeah he had a polo on i believe in the hyundai commercial commercial as well. By the way, it sells. He might be the spokesperson for every company the NFL works with by the end of the season. We've still got some time here. Yeah, well, you should maybe negotiate for him. I feel like you're one of his biggest fans. No, no, I'm a fan of your own, Nat.

I think you steal that commercial, not him. It's you, not him. Okay, thank you. What are you doing with that? I literally don't know you saw me you saw me trying to figure it out there it's it's kind of scotch tape to this board here and then there's a bunch of things under here if i was to put it on the desk and not give it to you i would have to take those off probably right now but i think we should still send it to

him oh yeah yeah you can keep it i'll come grab it when i when i come out to do the in-person one at the end of the year. You're going to come out here? Yeah. Man, we appreciate that. We can't wait for that. Good luck this weekend, man. Thanks, guys.

Have a great New Year's, huh? Hey, you too, man. We'll be watching. I know you will. I'll be taking notes, too, if I can get ready for it. You know what I mean? I'm ready. Bring it.

Ladies and gentlemen, the 2020 nfl mvp and owner of two new aston martin little car things ladies and gentlemen aaron rogers uh so sorry to interrupt but i want to let you know between never-ending laundry cycles emails and all the other stuff you got going on you've got plenty on your to-do list give yourself one less thing to worry about and let doordash take care of your next meal nice you want chinese sounds good are they talking about pizza oh i'm always down for pizza someone wants some fro-yo ice cream there's something for everyone on doordash i go right now i'm in between diets so i'm eating a lot sure i'll go arby's yeah of course and then i'm not scared to go and just get a dessert from somewhere no why why why would you be i get the apple turnover obviously from arby's but i'll get

just straight up gallon no not gallons i guess quarts of ice cream from places on DoorDash. Why not? It's fucking unbelievable that the entire world can just come right to your doorstep. Now, the quarantine has obviously been, I guess, satellite. No, not satellite. What that guy say we did to that alleged rumor yesterday. We were amplifying it. We were. were uh oh yeah i think he satellited him satellite is that what he said because he said that we made it bigger right the rumor we made it bigger we we projected it basically i think that's what happened with the quarantine with uh people getting food delivered to the house i think it like spotted projected

it quicker like sure this thing happened you know because but my wife and i we've been door dash oh geez soon as this concept came out because i'm a little bit of a homebody you know i enjoy working i enjoy doing things and then i just like going home and chilling at the house wife and i enjoy it and you know going to a restaurant is awesome you know it's all you know, it's also awesome just getting that son of a bitch delivered right to the house. Yeah, eating it on the couch. Okay, so I don't even got to get changed. Nah, I don't got to drive anywhere. Nah, I don't got to worry about anything.

Nah. Oh, but the food's still coming. Brilliant. Okay. I might have been the first person on DoorDash app in Indiana when it came, to be honest. My wife and I use it so much. They've helped us, obviously, get through the entire quarantine. They are the truth, dude.

Oh, yeah. No question. I love DoorDash. Use it probably four to five times a week. Yeah. I'm north of that for sure at the house. I mean, it's a problem a little bit, but hey, they're there for you and it's convenient. You know, sometimes we want to... I'm in between diets right now.

So like sometimes we'll eat, you know, we'll cook something. And then afterwards it's like, Hey, you want to, why not? You know, just comes right to the house. Not going to kill you. It's fucking awesome. It's the best. It's a brilliant idea. This would have been cool to create DoorDash.

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I feel like everybody has DoorDash at this point. Yeah, I don't. Well, I certainly don't know of anyone who doesn't have it. I guess in places where it's really not available, but... Those places are growing, by the way. Yeah, it's becoming available in all of those places. Everywhere. So, I mean, we're kind of fucked.

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What a deal. Back to the show. A man who played high school football against a stooge in his room. A man who played at Boston College, was a second-round draft pick this past offseason for the Green Bay Packers. And on Sunday night, he rushed for

124 yards and two tuds. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Dillon. Yeah! Woo! You're muted, I think. Hold on. We've got to unmute it. It's probably our fault.

Maybe your fault. You're smart enough to figure it out. Yeah, it's a big deal. Hold on. Move that thing out a little bit so it, it's a piece of cake. Hold on. Move that thing out a little bit so it's not sitting on top of it. Is it a phone? Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, perfect.

How are you, dude? Doing well, doing well. How about yourself? Okay, I want to talk about – do you have shoulder pads on right now or is that just your shoulder? That's just the shoulders. Oh, my goodness. I thought you were about to go out for practice.

I thought you literally had a hoodie on over your shoulder pads and then obviously we've seen the photos of your legs do you work out all day is that just what you do you just work out all day aj uh you gotta take breaks you can't do all day uh you gotta take breaks in there you know what i don't know the legs the pictures of your legs this past offseason training camp obviously made the rounds and you know i got these massive ham hocks as well i don't know if you know that aj i got a little bit of a hammy back there too that'll get you and if you ever get into oculus boxing we can talk about the leg movement in there as well but whenever you made the jump from college to the nfl

it took you a little bit i think to get some shine because your running back room is awesome what has been the biggest difference you think from from Boston College to playing for the Green Bay Packers, AJ? You know, I'd say just everybody's so much smarter in the league. There's not very many mistakes over there on defense. So you really got to know what you're doing. And I feel like that's a little tough for every rookie to kind of figure out. But like you said, I got some superstars in that room with me as well. So, you know, I've some superstars in that room with me as well.

So, you know, I've been learning a lot from them. They always say like a running back picking up the pass rush and having to block somebody is the hardest jump for every rookie. I assume for you with them ham hocks attached to your thighs and your boulder shoulders that look like you're wearing shoulder pads, that has not been a problem for you at all? I mean, I wouldn't say it. That definitely wasn't the biggest the biggest problem oh my goodness those are your legs dude oh my goodness

that's a funny picture well i think it was zoomed in it's weirdos in the back there a little creepy there but has it what has it been hard all physically for you or do you think your body's been built for the NFL uh you know I definitely uh thought when I left when I left BC I was ready to you know play at this level uh you know there's still some things I gotta work on obviously but you know uh going back to those high school days man nobody could tackle me there and that's right I know when did they call you the sauce was it in high school yeah uh no that was in college at BC. I just loved applesauce.

And so, like, I'd walk down the dorm, and I'd be just chugging a thing of applesauce. And, yeah, there'd be games, and people would chug them down to the sideline. I would just, you know, we had to keep it PG, so there was no beer or anything. But I'd, you know, slam an applesauce or something. You would stung cold applesauce? Do you still like applesauce to this day? Yeah, love it. Man, you should get one of them, what is it, Musselman?

No, what are the applesauces? Motts. Motts? Is that your favorite applesauce is Motts? Yeah, there's one of them for sure. Oh, smart. Keep it open to whoever wants to sponsor you. That's a good idea, what you just did there.

Let's get back to the high school days, okay? Yeah. Whenever you got drafted to the Packers, A.J. Dillon, running back from Boston College, A.J. Dillon gets drafted. We have a stooge in here, and you've seen him on the Internet now. You've got a chance to hear about this man. As soon as you got drafted, he goes,

I played high school football against that guy. And we go, oh, that's awesome. How was he? He goes, well, there was this one time. All right. And he starts, he gets real animated. Okay. He gets really animated. He was like, AJ came in.

I met him at the hole. I drove him all the way out of bounds. I was like, you did that. And then just a couple of weeks later, or maybe like a month or two later, your quad started getting pictures on the internet. And I go to Connor, I go, Connor, that man with those legs, you met him in the hole and you drove him out about. That's right.

In the hole. Oh, yeah, exactly. That's right. So as these videos started to unfold here over the last couple days, we've realized immensely that this man has been lying. But you two did have a couple run-ins. Do we have the videos here? AJ, do you remember this game?

Yeah, so this was his remember this game? Yeah. So this was his third senior year. Yeah. This was my freshman year. Freshman year. I've always said that. I've always said that. So you were 12 years old in this, basically.

You're playing against a 19-year-old at this point. Pretty much. So where were you from? What school did you play for? Yeah, so that's Lawrence Academy. It's in Groton, Mass. And we played against Conner School a bunch. But my four years there, we had three ISO championships.

Not to rub it in. I only lead three times. No big deal. Yeah, the one year you didn't win was when I was there. One year, six years. One year, six years. One year, six years. You know? So those private schools up there are a big deal, though, right?

Huge. Now, were you from the Massachusetts area up there? I'm from Connecticut, but it's like an hour and a half drive. BC, was that the only school that offered you, or how did you end up at Boston College? No, I had a bunch of offers coming out. I was originally committed to Michigan, and then I just decided that BC was the best place for me overall.

What was your major? That's a good school, right, isn't it? Yeah, my major is communication. Smart. That's what I did, too. Yeah. I mean, at West Virginia, it's the same as Boston College anyways. What do you know

hey aj first of all thank you for representing the greatest high school football league in the country the isl in the nfl but that's something we can agree on oh yeah okay exactly uh but also we always talk about how you guys have to actually ride to your practice field uh who do you ride with and have there ever been like any uh funny moments from doing that? Oh, yeah. So I normally drive over myself, but people hop in there with me. I can't really think of any specific funny memory, but sometimes, especially now that it's getting a lot colder, so when we're done with practice and everybody hops in the car

and it gets all foggy and you can't see anything. Oh, yeah. It's only a 30-second drive, but you got to roll down the windows in the cold. It gets all fogged up. Sauce, what are you driving? Did you buy anything nice with that second round money? No, I didn't buy anything. Right now I got a little deal with a dealership out here.

I got a Toyota. Oh, hey, you keep running those things. Hey, you keep running people over like you did on Sunday night. You might get up to a raw four. Whoa. I might get one of those. That would be good. Yeah.

How did you feel Sunday night, though? That had to be the culmination of a lot of dreams, I'd assume, right? Yeah, yeah. I felt great. You know, first time really getting a lot of action out there. And, you know, after the first couple carries, I started to get into, like, a rhythm. And then, as Connor knows, I can get a little scary for defense.

Oh, yeah, that's right. I was having fun with it. Unless I'm playing, but yeah, I can. I do. Aaron Rodgers sharing the backfield with that. What is it? Because we talked to Aaron Jones about the first time he went out there because he was a guy who wasn't getting a lot of opportunities,

then he got a chance to go on there. And as he was coming on the field, I guess Aaron looked at him and was like, hey, now it's time to show the world or something like that. Was there any moments between you and Aaron during the game or was it all business out there? Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, he always calls me kid. So I think we have a good relationship, but he's kind of like uh he's kind of like one of those legends so you know i'm always like whoa sometimes i forget he's out there i'm like wow like

sheesh but uh you know he uh after i scored my first touchdown uh he came over to me and gave me a high five second one he gave me a handshake and i almost lost it oh man but uh you know he's uh he's an operator out there man he the stuff he does it's just crazy it's so crazy i can't even put into words seeing it firsthand now you're a rookie and i assume you've always been an nfl fan a fan of football so you know that december january football you have to be able to run the ball and you have to be able to stop the run no matter what it's just it doesn't even matter if you're a wide open throwing team. At some point when the game calls upon it, you're going to have to be able to run the ball

and you're going to have to be able to stop the run. That's why you always hear anybody that's worth anything in the scouting business or anything like that, they're like, well, this team can't run the ball, they're going to be in trouble or whatever because they have to be able to run the ball whenever the games matter. Right now going into the playoffs here, now obviously there's one more week, but your offense is, Aaron can obviously put it wherever, Devontae is unbelievable having a season.

Your tight ends, big Bob Tunyon, I mean, he got screwed out of the thing there. You got Lazard back. It feels like your offense is very diverse. What has it been like with LeFleur in this offense? Because he, last year, the offense maybe wasn't as explosive as everybody had thought. Another year in the system, even though you're a rookie, it feels like that offense can go against anybody in the run game is a massive part of that entire operation. What has LeFleur been saying about the run game or anything?

Yeah, I mean, I would just say I feel like everybody's confident in what we can do. You know, obviously you hit on a bunch of our key players and you know we can get it done and specifically in the run game i mean you mentioned earlier we got uh aaron jamal myself and a bunch of other guys in there that can consistently get it done the offensive line is going crazy right now they're blocking their butts off and you already talked about the passing game. And so, you know, I just feel like we're very confident what we can do. And then you saw the defense step up and stop the run against one of the best run offenses last week. So you're talking about going in to these next couple of weeks. I feel like everybody's confident. Still more work to

be done, but, you know, can't take anything away from uh the accomplishments so so far yeah you guys have been fun to watch you got the mvp playing a quarterback we'll talk to him in a couple hours cannot wait to uh by the way we are going to be the ones that actually name him the mvp of the 2020 break the news yeah that's yeah yeah big big celebration coming in 205 205 said that i had uh bigger quads in here what's that dude Do you remember when I said that I had bigger quads than you? What's that, dude? Do you remember when he said that I had bigger quads than you? Yeah, the thing about that, though, is I feel like he potentially saw your quads at their max and mine when they weren't in the prime. They're different. You know what I mean?

I mean, do you squat all day? What is it? Do you squat? Do you clean? Explosive? What is your? It's the squats and the applesauce. Oh. I'll tell you your? It's a squat in the applesauce.

Oh. I'll tell you what. It's a combination. You're going to get kids, or you're going to get parents that want their kids to get scholarships in football? Just bonging applesauce. Need you to get your legs going a little bit. I like the sauce. Are you at your house right now or at the facility?

No, I'm at my house. What's that drawing in the back there behind over your shoulder there? Oh, it's J. Cole. So, oh, wait, there it goes. This is my, one of my buddies. He's in Boston, actually. Shane Leonard. He made that for me, and I got it out here in Green Bay.

Favorite rapper, J. Cole, obviously? Is that your favorite rapper? Yeah, that's my favorite artist, yeah. You only listen to music, or rap music? No, I listen to most of everything. I don't listen to heavy metal, but I listen to a little bit of everything. That's tough. Heavy metal's tough, dude.

Heavy metal is very tough. Not for me. I need words. Yeah. Hey, some mumbo rappers have ruined that, too, in rap as well. My brother was a drummer for a, what were you guys considered? A scream metal band? Heavy metal. No, no, no. I mean, it was screaming guys considered? A scream metal band? Heavy metal.

No, no, no. I mean, he was screaming. He had a lot of screaming. A lot of screaming. There's words in there. There's words in there. He had the double pedal for the bass drum. Whoa.

I went to a concert one time. I go back, and he was just running for fucking an hour and a half. He was just burning. The guy in the front's name was broken wings he's like it's fucking wild so i'm out on heavy metal as well i don't know you just sold it for me i might be in on it live concerts much better i think than just listening for sure so you can watch the drummer just run a marathon back there i was so impressed uh connor what do you got uh yeah aj uh it came out that matt lafleur during like

stretching and warm-ups came up to you he said hey we're going to go to you today when that happens uh are you kind of surprised taken back are you just always ready to go and also how much more fun is it to play in the snow at lambo yeah um well first off like when he first came up and kind of told me that i was going to be in the game plan. I was fired up. You know, I was prepared and prepared to go. And so I was like, all right, I finally got my opportunity. Got to make the most of it. And then the snow, I mean, I'm from Connecticut, played in Boston, so I'm used to the snow.

So for me, actually, I looked out on my balcony a little bit before the game and I caught up with one of my friends, Fish. And I was like, hey, man, like, this looks like we're outside playing football in the backyard. So I was excited. That's what I'm used to. So it was a fun opportunity. So we used to have a field in Pittsburgh called Lamb Blow, all right, and it would freeze and it had rocks all in it,

and there was a bunch of snow on the field all the time, right? We called it Lamb Blow. The first time I played at Lamb Blow, I had the same situation you had where I called my friend and was like, hey, man, you remember I was on land blow? Remember what we used to do? I'm about to go shank some balls here on actual Lambeau, dude. AJ, you're awesome, man.

Thanks for your time. What do you got for the rest of the day? Big Bob Tanyan told us he had a yoga sesh and then a meditation sesh because he wanted to feel the flow waves or something like that. That's how he was spending his Tuesday. What are you doing today? You got anything awesome planned? I'm about to make some TikToks.

You know. Are you a TikToker? Oh yeah. No, no, no. There's, okay. I'm on TikTok. Oh. But I'm all about the brand. I'm all about the brand. So right now I'm on the Quadzilla brand. Ooh. Smart. Today I at uh quadzilla verse household items so i took some stuff around my house had them out to the quad you would like it you would love it actually it sounds like good tick tocks it does sound like good tick tocks by the way another one you should go with quad father

quad father yeah we gotta see how that goes you gotta test that out it's a good name it's good name quadzilla quad father there's a couple others that quad god i called myself a lot and now so these are hand-me-downs yeah yeah that's yeah that's what i'm saying but if it means anything if it means anything i got them from somebody else too i mean these things have been passed on passed all the way down in the quad game. So you got some tick tocks today with your quads versus household items. Anything else? I'm going to get some more zone doves. Got the PS5 out here.

So, you know, check that out. And then get ready for practice tomorrow. Hey, did you hear what Booger said last night about young athletes trying to build their brand getting in the NFL? No. I don't know. He kind of he it was an interesting point because i think what he said had some truth behind it but i think he was saying it in a negative connotation as opposed to looking at it as a positive uh he basically said you know a lot of because it came after the duane haskins cut out of nowhere whatever and i i didn't hear the whole clip but i saw the internet

he was trending for like 12 hours because of it he said something about how young guys come in and they don't care about how they can make the team better they're talking about how they can build their brand and everything like that which by the way i assume there are some guys that are like that but also i don't know why both can't be good. Like if guys are building their own businesses while also playing football, well, like you are, by the way,

in many of other guys I did whenever I was in the NFL and all this, I just, I feel like there is potential and negative outlook on guys building their own businesses while also being in the NFL. So I like the fact that you're building your own business because if it doesn't take away from what you're doing on the field, who gives a damn if you're setting yourself up for your future, you know? Yeah. I mean, if you can do multiple things well, go ahead and do it

as long as it's not taken away from the main goal. Yeah, you got to keep the main thing the main thing. But other than that, let's go ahead and get this thing, especially if you got quads that are bigger than goddamn barstools at your house. You know what I mean? You got to do what you got to do. What do you got, Connor? AJ, tomorrow I have to ask,

are you going to try and work on the Lambeau Leap just because it was a little shaky the first time? Yeah, so I got asked in my post-game interview, and I was saying, like, yeah, I'm going to watch the film. I'm going to see, you know, I think the trajectory was a little off. There was snow, but there's no excuses. I got to do better.

I got to clear that thing. So I'm definitely going to go back, watch the tape, and I'll get it done for next time for sure. You know, you kind of look like Schefter when he did it. Oh, no. I didn't say it. People were saying it. People were saying it.

Not on the internet. Yeah, the internet was saying that you look like Schefter a little bit there. The next time, though, you went up there and got up there. That was perfect. Yeah, I mean, so. I got a little push, but, you know, it's teamwork. You know, maybe that's one of those quads kind of weigh you down. Oh, yeah, like anchors.

He can kind of go this way. Can't go this way. Can't go up. No, I'm sure you could have cleared it because, you know, less weight down there. All right, ladies and gentlemen, the sauce, A.J. Dillon. Yeah! Woo!

A.J. Hey, see you, dude. See you. He was cool. Oh, yeah. Cool guy. See how he's you, dude. See you. He was cool. Oh, yeah. Cool guy. See ISL, dude. But he did say he was, you know, about to TikTok.

ISL, what's that mean? Independent? School League, yep. Independent School League. Because it's all over different states, so it's not state-sanctioned. Got you. That booger thing was very interesting last night, though. You showed me a little bit of it, and then I saw the internet reaction to it.

I didn't hear the whole thing. But I don't think it has to be a negative thing and i think did he make a race related thing to it knew it or was it just young guys at all i thought i think it said it in the tweet that it was i'm not positive though because i mean i feel like i did a pretty good job building a brand and i am the complete i'm the whitest you know i think tom brady'm the whitest. You know, I think Tom Brady is the whitest. He's got the entire TB12 thing going on. He only wears TB12. He doesn't even have bucks gear, like hats on. It's always TB12 stuff.

I don't know what's bad about it. And by the way, if we even want to go back, like Peyton Manning built a hell of a brand while he was in. And it's like, I think a lot of people, this happened whenever I went on a, I did a stand-up comedy tour one off season. Shout out to all the people that bought the tickets, 10,000 tickets in like 15 minutes or something like that. Four stops all around Indiana.

It went down the Interstate 69, so we called it the I-69 tour. Nice. Obviously. Nick was with me, a couple of my boys. We got an RV. I mean, it was a blast. Hell of a year. It was a hell of a four trip we did

it we did one night after the next it was awesome it was theaters the people were so cool and then a media member came up to me in the training camp and was like uh you know if you don't have a good year it's going to be it's going to be really hard not to talk about all the distractions you did in the off season and i was like what do you mean he was like well your stand-up comedy tour and you're tweeting and blah blah blah i was like do you say that to Peyton Manning who films like 10 commercials in the off season do you think the people down in Houston say it to JJ Watt who films like 10 commercials or are you just saying it strictly because whenever you look at Peyton you realize you couldn't be Peyton when you look at JJ you realize you couldn't be JJ but

when you look at me you potentially see somebody that is a very relatable looking person that is also making business for themselves and because somebody else didn't choose it for me i chose it for myself is that why you come to me he's like no no i'm just saying you know i would say that to peyton too if he was to ever drop off or whatever i was like well it sounds like a bunch of bullshit so the thing for me is whenever guys create their own avenues it seems like people get upset about it because the long way of doing things for a long time was people pick and choose who gets to do stuff so whenever you kind of debunk that which a lot of young guys are now and i'm not saying that all young guys should be building their brain i think

you should worry about being good at football first because that is going to make you the most money and give you the biggest platform if that's what you're worried about like a lot of people think i came into the nfl was very i was very i was not at all like at the beginning i by the way sucked at punting i didn't know how to punt. I wasn't good enough to be on the team I was at. Once I got good, then I was like, all right, here we go. Now we're going to go ahead and do this whole thing. But I don't have a problem with guys building their own brands

because they're setting themselves up for their future. But once it starts distracting from the main thing, like A.J. Dillinson, then it becomes a problem. Then if you get labeled a distraction, you can't be mad about it because you kind of set yourself up for that. with setting yourself up for that now you have a business potentially that you can go with like for instance juju who knows what juju is going to do after this year yeah i'd assume he's not going to be with the steelers next year no way no will he go to another team maybe does he want to go to another team who knows he's huge he's

making a lot of money off the field a lot of money off the field does he want to continue to play i'm not but it's just if you start getting ridiculed for that now at least you have a platform that you can go with which is what a lot of guys think but you should be able to handle both like if you're going to be in the nfl lombardi and i talked about this yesterday everybody wants to be a line until it comes time to do what lines have to do everybody wants to say they're in the nfl but to stay in the nfl there's a whole different world so as long as you're doing all that i don't think it's a problem. Now, if you don't, then it is a problem. And I feel like there's a lot less guys that don't handle their business that are a distraction off

the field, as opposed to the guys that are handling their business while also building their brand. So I just don't like the fact that it was kind of in a negative context. But I don't know. I didn't listen to the whole thing, so I can't talk about it. Nick, what's up? So I just went back and listened to it, and he starts it off saying, specifically, talking to african-american players and he says they come into this league thinking the wrong thing they come in not thinking how can i be a better player how can i be a better teammate how can i make this organization better they come in thinking how can i build a brand for myself jeez jeez i mean it's all about making the most of your opportunity right like if you're good at other things why not try and build those things while

you have the most eyes on your platform hey as long as it doesn't affect your work of course yeah as long as it doesn't affect your business fine line right because everything you cited there yourself Peyton Tom you guys all started once you were established as players so the NFL stands for not for long yeah I like it national football I get it but the old thing is not for long. I like it. National football. I get it. But the old thing is not for long. So if guys are trying to make the most of it, wow. Also, I don't know.

I can see how you can potentially not be happy about it because it's different than what it has been like for a long, long time. But man, I feel like business after football, what it was, I think 80% of people, 80% of NFL players filed for bankruptcy or go broke within like two years of

retiring or something like that it's like if guys are building their own brands and businesses but it's not like duane haskins was big on social media or anything yeah he wasn't really doing his brain yeah he didn't have a brand anyways yeah i don't unless he does he might be on tiktok we should ask aj somebody asked billy tubes if he's part of that crew. Yeah, Billy Tubes is a TikToker. Unless he's opening a strip club. Oh. Maybe he was doing market research. In adult ballet. All that's up.

Ladies and gentlemen, Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl champ and ESPN legend, I'll say at this point, Mr. Ryan Clark. Yeah! RC! What up, guys? How y'all doing, man? Hey, whitest teeth I've ever seen in my entire life. Wow. Yeah! R.C.! How are you, R.C.? What up, guys? How y'all doing, man? Hey, whitest teeth I've ever seen in my entire life. Wow. Oh, my.

You did it for Christmas. You did the little, you did the tanning bed thing. UV light. You did the UV thing for your teeth. No, not at all. Not at all. This is just, I got good lighting. That's all it is.

Hey, you're on TV literally all day. I'll see you at 8 a.m. And then I'll see you at 1230 with SVP. You've been absolutely dominant this football season. And for see you at 8 a.m. and then I'll see you at 12.30 with SVP. You've been absolutely dominant this football season. And for that, we thank you, sir. We do thank you for that. Let's talk about this football season. Pittsburgh Steelers start

Mason Rudolph against Miles Garrett and the Browns. Browns win and they're in. Do you like the decision? Do you hate it? They haven't had a bye week since week four. How do you feel about the whole thing? Well, you know, you think about the decision. I think the decision definitely goes into how you feel about where Ben is, where you feel he is with his health, obviously, his age.

And like you said, Pat, they didn't get a bye week this season because of COVID. And so I think it's the smart play, especially with Buffalo having clinched the number two overall seed in the playoffs or number two seed in the AFC. The other crazy thing is I'm kind of excited that Mason Rudolph's going to start against Cleveland. Like, I don't know if anybody else cares about this, but this is pretty dope. You know, I mean, you know what the scene looked like the last time we saw Mason Rudolph on the field against the Cleveland Browns.

And so if he's going to start any game, this is the one. Yeah. The last time those two shared a field together, one of these things was trying to take off Mason Rudolph's head. And then I'm going to tell you what Mason probably wish they were playing on the Oculus at that time. That's probably what, that's probably what he would have won. Do you have one? I do not bro. But because I follow you, I see you with it now, and now I want one. Hey, I might be the greatest Oculus boxer there is.

My stamina is, well, I ended early. Listen, 8-0, 8 knockouts. 8-0, 8 knockouts. I don't know what you want from me. I don't know who's better. I don't know who's better. I have no idea how you could be better. You just said you're playing P.J.

and then you're playing P.J.'s homeboy. No, that was ping pong. That was ping pong. And you don't know about the ping pong players from Germany, RC. You don't know. The Oculus boxing. I boxed a guy today from England. He won in England.

He was a champion. So are you just assuming he's a pugilist specialist because he's from England? Tyson Fury. Is that what you consider him to be? Well, I don't even know what word you just assuming he's a pugilist specialist because he's from England? Tyson Fury, right? Is that what you consider him to be? Well, I don't even know what word you just used there. I will giggle it afterwards, and I will use it back at you at some point. But I will say he's not a real person, okay? It's an artificial human being.

But it's like Mike Tyson's punch out. This morning I got to the Vega level, this guy. He's a little skinny little guy. Little first round knockout, 10 seconds, right hook, dead. See you later on the canvas. Celebrate. I'm in arenas now. Okay, I was in it.

I'm in arenas now. Then the moneymaker came for the next round. He took me three rounds. I was burning. Six knockdowns, though. Knocked him down six times. Then he got back up, had a bruise. Hey, do you move around and stuff, though, bro?

Does the cardio get into it? I was dripping wet this morning because the moneymaker took me into three rounds. Dude, my entire body, my lungs were just burning. I was dripping in sweat. Bro, I love it. In between rounds, RC, you go to your corner, you know, you have one minute. I'm sitting because you can't sit down, obviously, because it's going to be hard to get back up I am bent over like this

Just completely dead, like, come on You can't get fucking knocked out And then when the bell rings Like, I got to answer the bell Sometimes it gets down to like one second I'm like, alright, here we go And then you're right back, it's awesome But that's not what we're here for, dude

Okay, we're talking about fucking Miles Garrett Jeez, man. What, are you just taking over the show when you come on here? Just taking over the show? You started talking about it. I brought it up one time, and you went and told you the greatest Oculus Boxer. I might be. I might be.

It's hard not to talk about that whenever it's potentially true. Or when it's your show, for sure. Bingo. Where's it at? It's right above your head over there. Just point up with your left hand. Just go like this right here. Yeah, bingo. There we go. RC, there's a lot of games this weekend with

playoff implications. Going in with the Steelers teams you were on, was there any time where you guys needed a win and then somebody else to lose or anything like that? Or was it mostly like at this point you guys probably already had it locked up you know what i think so we were three we were 12 and four three out of four years um and i feel like all the years that we were going to get in it was on us i think we were 10 and 6 and 07 obviously 12 and 4 and 08, we win it the next year.

We weren't very good. I think the next year we were 8-8, so we didn't go. We weren't even, I think, in the ballpark of going. Then we go 12-4, 12-4, and then we kind of struggled after that. And so I don't know. I can't remember going into like the last weekend needing a win, but I do remember one year, it's around Christmas, we were playing Cincinnatiincinnati we needed

somebody to lose so we could be alive the next week against cleveland and i remember it was christmas and so we beat cincinnati the team that we needed to lose won and so troy and i decided that we were gonna have a pajama jammy jam so all the families go to troy's house and you know uh the cool thing about football is you get to meet people from all different walks of life. Troy was richer than me. Okay. Cause he was a better football player. Troy was supposed to have more money than I had. Troy's richer than a lot of people, by the way, Troy. Yeah. And so Troy's wife though, grew up, uh, very affluent. And so he opens up this cabinet, bro. And it's all of these like wines and champagnes that i can't pronounce

i've never had i can't really spell and so dude was just like hey bro let's try some and so dog like we're cracking over wine open wines and scotches and all these different things that i can't afford right oh we're mixing oh that's white boy stuff there white boy wasted all the way and so the next so the next morning is christmas right and so we still at troy's house terrible parents right like why don't you have your kids at your house so they can open up their presents right terrible terrible parents but we bought some presents so we have christmas morning then we get hungry and not much is open on christmas so it started a tradition bro where we go to Benihana or some sort of hibachi restaurant every Christmas because Troy and I and our families were looking for somewhere to eat.

And I guess they weren't tripping on Christmas. So we went there and then we decided to see how well we could play in the last game without doing much. So we didn't do treatment. We didn't do treatment. We didn't really pay attention at practice. The film study was very, very little. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not even going to do like that. Oh, not even come see, come saw. No, it was because we was like, man, you know,

we put all this work in. We're texting each other and calling each other every night to say what we've seen on film. We're meeting at 5 in the morning to do cold tubs and hot tubs and work out and treatment. But we ain't even going to the playoffs. Right? So let's see what it looks like

if we don't do any of that. We played bad. You played bad? Did you lose? Did you lose? No, we didn't lose because it was Cleveland. No, because I was going to ask you, my question for you was going to be there's a couple teams that have to win and the other team's playing for nothing philadelphia's playing for nothing washington football team they get in that could be one of the biggest stories of the year washington

football team with no name and exposes and everything like that coming out and they make the playoffs they win the nfc east and the philadelphia eagles are playing for absolutely nothing it's like these teams that don't have much motivation in these last games. I, if you look up the stats, I'm not sure. It's always like the team that needs to win, wins those games. Sometimes it's the other team that almost plays better. But think about, like, think about the games you're in Pat, where, you know, you, you get down by a lot and now one team's trying to protect the lead and

the other team is like, shoot, F it man. I'm gonna throw bombs. I'm a blitz. I'm gonna do whatever I can. Like, it don't matter. Like, I'm behind. And those teams come back. It's the same thing. Like, it's no pressure on the Philadelphia Eagles. It's no pressure on teams who aren't going to the playoffs.

But you still – you're an independent contractor, bro. It wasn't like if you were in your last week and it was time to punt, you was going to get out there and throw that whole underhand. You know what I'm saying? Like, you wasn't going to't gonna do that you was gonna try to put the skin off the football because that's who you are yeah and so these dudes are gonna play but you're gonna be playing stress-free right you give up a bomb you're like ah i give up a blonk but if i'm derry slave and i got 30 million coming anyway why not take this chance why not go pick it off if i'm jailing hurts why not get outside the pockets and see what these legs do why not give the sean watson the sean jackson opportunities

down the field and those are the type of things that happen and because the other team's playing tighter right the other team feels like man if we lose this we're out of it we're at home we got a chance and you know it's like it's like man it's like backing a raccoon into a corner you know i mean oh by the way i got 14 raccoons that live at my house. We feed them every single night. And a possum's there. You can't back them in a corner. They will scurry and fight everything.

When you hear what J.J. Watt said, okay, I thought, by the way, it was an incredible speech. I mean, he gave an incredible speech there. I don't know how much he had going in that maybe he was sitting on for a while whenever he was watching his teammates maybe not show up or not work hard. And they're like, I don't know if it was his teammates or maybe it was coaches that were doing something. I feel like he was sitting, that one felt like that one had been, it was personal. It was incubating for a little bit that one. And that's why he was delivered so well. I think he's probably going to dominate, but whenever you start thinking about the NFL as

a whole, okay, and this goes back to Booger's comments last night that were trending for like 12 hours or whatever. When you go back to the NFL. Yeah. Okay. Do you have something you want to get out right there? No.

You know, I've made it a rule in my life that if not currently or if I'm not on the set okay when things i disagree with are said i let them be it's not my job to critique the critiquers yeah but kind of is your job but but i understand that's a good rule for yourself but we do it all the time because we're not on the set with a lot of people so we kind of got to stay here but but whatever you think about the nfl as a whole i do think booger had a point there right and i i think whenever he's talking about anytime you paint something with a broad brush you're always gonna it's it's you're gonna fuck up there right and but i do think there is an interesting thing that has come out of this duane haskin situation and this jj watt

situation where i think a lot of people are learning that a lot of people want to be in the nfl but not a lot of people want to stay in the nfl right and not by the way not a lot of people i mean this is me painting a broad brush again but there's some people want to be in the NFL, but not a lot of people want to stay in the NFL, right? By the way, not a lot of people. I mean, this is me painting a broad brush again, but there's some people that like being in the NFL but don't love being in what it takes to stay in the NFL. Do you think that's amplifying, or do you think it's always been that way? We're just seeing it a lot more. Well, I think you can now see the things that other people do, right? You know, we talk about my training facility and training guys all the time. And you know, like I see kids at LSU now

who are leaving or who have opted out, who have merchandise for sale all the time, right? Or I mess with, like, I don't take selfies and do certain things like that. And I mess with dudes who do, you know, and then, you know, I'll get a guy telling me, Oh, you know, I'm just branded. to do, you know, and then, you know, I'll get a guy telling me, oh, you know, I'm just branded. And in a way, in a way that bothers me, but I also know that you can brand yourself, you can build your own business and be about the business of football. I don't necessarily think you have to be one or the other, you know, and it was different for me. But in the last two seasons of my career, I, you know, had an active TV contract. You know, I was I was working for me but in the last two seasons of my career I you know had an active tv contract you know I was I was working for ESPN I was on the ESPN payroll but I still played

football the same way I still had five days of treatment each week you know I still went off to Arizona to train in the off season I still run down the middle of anybody who had the football you know it had nothing to do with the fact that I wanted to make sure I was setting things up for post-career. It had everything. That wasn't going to stop me from wanting to play football, from wanting to be the best I can possibly be. And I also don't think that you could take one person's situation and then paint with that broad African-American brush. and then paint with that broad African-American brush. Yeah.

Right? The issues with that is there are already biases against certain things. Right? Like you look at the way people feel about Odell Beckham Jr. and his brand and some of the things he does away from football. Like I believe at one time he was the most recognizable and famous football player in the world. And that's when they had Tom Brady playing, Peyton Manning, whoever was playing. He was more famous to me because I felt like he was known in different areas more so than other people.

But I'm also around him all the time. Right. And I also watch him work constantly and also see his passion. Like that didn't stop him from wanting to be a great football player, wanting to win games. One of the greatest players of all time has the most recognizable brand in football. Like people talk about TB12 all the time, right? And TB12 is something he's brand to hell. I got some free stuff one day. Me too.

The glasses. I got glasses. I love it. The TB12 stuff. But I think you're spot on there. It's always negativity hogs publicity i mean that's what you guys operate in at the place you've worked for since you oh while you're playing yeah okay yeah you guys yeah hey y'all motherfuckers over there

but the negativity always hogs publicity but i feel like as long as you're keeping the main thing the main thing and i think that is such a cliche but I think it's real like if you're handling your business as a football player I think you're allowed to you keep not allowed but you you can and should feel empowered to do all this other stuff but as soon as you start doing all this other stuff and your play drops at all you're giving everybody ammo I've always said like you're giving everybody once I started tweeting and things as a punter like I knew that if I played bad two weeks i'm probably gone like if i play two weeks because i'm being too loud for my production or whatever but if my production's high they can't say a fucking thing there's nothing you can do it was so crazy uh you know like i'm on these group chats with these different people

and so somebody's like yeah man he was doing too much i was like bro andy reed would have been at the strip club with pat mahomes. Like, come on, man. But Dwayne wasn't building his own brand, though. Think about that. That's the interesting thing. Unless Dwayne was building a brand that I don't know about, he might not have been. Players Club brand? I don't know.

Hey, we were talking about Dewey's Ballet, man. That place wouldn't pop in D.C., Ray, it would pop in D.C., but I think that whole distraction thing gets labeled on people, and then it's hard to get off of, though. You know what I mean? And I think that is – that's why that entire – I don't know, that entire rant by Boat, I think, has been so – because it's real.

Like, if you're not doing your job well, you shouldn't be doing all the extracurriculars that come alongside of it. But if you're doing your job well, so we should not just point out the ones that don't. That's kind of the problem with that. I think the other part of it too, Pat, is that that situation had nothing to do with the brand. The same way you'd say J.J. Watt was sitting on some feelings,

I think maybe in Booger's sense, he was sitting on some feelings as well. When I look at Dwayne Haskins, I look at a singular moment where a guy developed a perception, whether it was right or wrong, for not being professional, for not dedicating the type of time people are used to seeing starting quarterbacks dedicate to football. And I think once that happens happens now you're forever fighting that and my point with the strip club thing was self-awareness right like one your coach has cancer like that's stupid okay like like don't be dumb uh that's the first thing be compassionate have some empathy understand the people that you are also uh that you also have to take care of but the other piece of it was the self-awareness piece, right?

The piece of, like, if people say you're an a-hole and you want to change that perception, then you're going to be nice purposely. Like, that's the way it happens. Above and beyond, by the way, normally. Above and beyond. You're going to go out the way. And so if you know the perception is you're unprofessional,

you're immature, you don't make good decisions, you got to be smart enough to say, as much as I want to see these booties bounce. Either they can't bounce in front of me at the moment. I need to be smart, stay home, which would be the smartest thing. Or let's take these people's phones.

Right? And the decision making to say that you can't do one of those two things, because I'm being I'm being like, I'm not stupid. Like he's young. He's going to do stupid stuff, you know. And so I think like that's the bigger issue with the situation. But then when we start to paint with this broad brush that African-American quarterbacks for sure have been having to fight for years anyway. American quarterbacks for sure have been having to fight for years anyway. You see what I'm saying? And so now when a white person or when an executive who already has these biases toward black athletes or towards black quarterbacks, then you can go, you see that?

Look at that. One of them says it too. Right? And that's all the empowerment that certain people need to have to continue this narrative that's really untrue that's the that's the reason why it popped off last night huh that last sentence right there yeah that's 100 when it is that and and and when when when you come off of a when when you come off of a year right when when you come when when you're finishing off a year right when you come when you're finishing off a year of of

of protests when you're finishing off a year conversation great conversation happening amongst everybody basically this year right right when you're finishing a year where you're not only fighting you're not you're not fighting to be treated better you're fighting to be treated better. You're fighting to be treated equally. Right. When, when I can only use myself when, when I've cried on TV, right. Because my son had, had a racist, a racist encounter. And, you know, someone tells, someone tells him because it's him and two other black kids who, who at the time don't, Jordan didn't have his car. Cause I was shipping it back to school after COVID and he's trying to get Whataburger. And they say, you know what? I'm going to call the cops on you because a white woman says that she was being harassed

when he was doing what somebody who worked at Whataburger asked him to do to get some food. Right. And they were sitting on the fence. The woman says she was being harassed. She gets her food. She says, thanks in words. Right.

Then when she drives off, she says, bye in words. The manager says he's going to call the cops. So I'm on TV crying about this because I'm understanding what it means when you call the cops on a young black male. You have now weaponized the cops. Right. So I'm crying about that. I'm talking about the booze, the Texas Texans and Kansas City. Right. I'm putting money towards Juneteenth rallies. I'm giving speeches at Unity Walks. And you're doing all of these things. And then you finish the year off with people amening the fact that another black man says that black dudes are lazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know? And I think it's, and it's extremely tough for all of us. You know what I mean? Uh, bro, I've written, you know, I went to school with Booger, you know,

and I've probably written bro. And I'm, I'm with Preston at some point. I probably typed up like five text messages. Yeah. You know, and it's never just been to me the right words or sometimes i just don't even know like if it's my place but it touched me right because you read the comments and you see all

like you see black people being like come on bro don't do this and then honestly you know whether right or wrong you see white people being like, yeah, he's frustrated. Yes, he's telling the truth. I think the place Booger is coming from is this. Hey, RC, you have to know, though, you have to know, though, that a large majority of the whites are not happy with the whites that were represented with your kid and other situations on the internet. You know what I mean? And I think that is why this year has been so awesome, because you saw the large majority of people come together. It didn't matter what it was in all across the country, by the way,

it was happening. And whenever Booger says something like that, I can very much see how if I was a black dude, I'd be like, come on, literally we don't need that right now. Just like how all NFL players felt about Drew Brees. When Drew Brees did his thing about the kneeling for the national, it was like, yo, Drew, you know that we don't need that right now. Like, that is – and I think that is just the interesting thing behind it all.

And, I mean, I don't know how – I mean, I don't know how this whole thing ends up. It is – hey, 2021, two days from now, though. Hey. Yeah. Here we go. Hey. Hey. And Dwayne Haskins won't have a job still.

No. No. No job. No. No job. No job. It's going to be sad. We said this yesterday. It's going to be sad. Dwayne Haskins, I don a job still. No, no, no job. No job. It's going to be sad. We said this yesterday.

It's going to be sad. Dwayne Haskins, I don't think he's going to get a job. He's going to have to go XFL, I guess, maybe something else. I don't know how. I think it depends on how people felt about him. That's always the thing. I had this big whole thing happen because I said Carson Wentz was soft. And so my DMs blow up, because you can just DM

me about it on Instagram, people from Philly, saying, how is he soft? He threw a touchdown with his ACL. He played with a broken back. And, you know, and what happens is like, you say these things, and I realize the way I talk sometimes on TV is different, right? Because people don't normally say that. People go, because like

Dan was kind of explaining, you know, the Nick foe situation was tough for him to deal with then drafting jail and hurts and then all these other things and i was like well that's soft as hell then right because like if me and you were talking pat and we were having a drink i'd be like bro that's soft as hell like dude soft now i think all or most football players have a level of physical toughness because that's why they can play football. Even you too. Punters and kickers. Even you, bro.

Punters and kickers. No. Yeah. You said it. Yeah. You said it. Punters and kickers. I said all football players.

We have already gone on TV and gone on record as saying, I don't think all punters and kickers are football players. Therefore, they're not included in what I'm saying. Patrick, they're not in it what I'm saying. Patrick, they're not in it. We got to get to a break and that's a real shame that you got to get off the fucking show. You're really going.

It was a good one. It was really going there. Ryan, I appreciate you, man. Always, man. Thank you. I'm sorry I went off the wrong way. You didn't go off the wrong way, by the way. That's what this show is supposed to have, good conversation. And as soon as I saw your face whenever I brought that up, I was excited to hear what you had to say,

by the way, because I do believe you are a good orator. I appreciate that, man. Did I use that word right? Very excited that I was on Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. I would like for you to tell him he is my favorite quarterback in the world. No, no, no, no, no. We've heard

the stories. We've heard the stories. Yeah, the whole thing. And he should win the MVP. Oh, by the way, we got a big announcement coming here in about five minutes or so about the MVP. We get to announce the winner this year. Shut up. Yeah. They let us do it. Bro, I wish I could

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