The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 331 - Barry Sanders, Rich Rodriguez, Cole Beasley, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 13, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about the growing noise that Deshaun Watson might not be a Texan next year, Tua's teammates anonymously saying that he stinks, and they look ahead to this weekends NFC and AFC Divisional Round matchups. Joining the program, in a long awaited interview is the former Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers, Michigan Wolverines, Arizona Wildcats, current OC and Assistant Head Coach at Louisiana Monroe, Pat's college coach, Rich Rodriguez joins the program to tell some hilarious stories of Pat's time at WVU, what those teams were like, coaching at Michigan, if he still has the same fire or if he's had to tone it back, and more (15:19-48:33). Next, Hall of Famer, NFL MVP, 10x Pro Bowler, 10x All-Pro, 1990's NFL All-Decade Team member, member of the NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team, Heisman Trophy Winner, one of the GOATS, Barry Sanders joins the program to chat about his career, when he decided to hang it up, what Detroit needs to do to be a winner, if he's spoken to Calvin Johnson about their situations, and which backs in the league remind him of himself, if any (51:48-1:12:27). Later, Pat and AJ Hawk welcome 2020 All-Pro, 9 year NFL veteran, WR for the Buffalo Bills, Cole Beasley joins the show from the practice field and the guys try to piece together his responses as someone gets some work in from the Jugs Machine (1:12:29-1:27:18). Later, Pat and AJ chat about the situation in Houston with Andre Johnson weighing in, and Digs gets got by Barry McCockiner, although it appears that James Harden has been traded to the Brooklyn Nets (1:31:47-2:02:08). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Wednesday, January 13th, 2021, and I enjoyed today's show. Today's show was awesome. Today was a good time. I think you're going to enjoy it as well. If you do, be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Let's get to a tie. It appears as if all hell has broken loose down in Houston. Andre Johnson, legendary wide receiver for the Houston Texans for a long, long time, face of the franchise for a long time, has almost all of their records as a wide receiver for the Houston Texans for a long, long time. Face of the franchise for a long time.

Has almost all of their records as a wide receiver for the franchise. He came to play for the Indianapolis Colts for a year. I got a chance to be a teammate of his. I got a chance to talk to him. I think we kind of befriended each other for a little bit. And then he even came on to this show. He is a man who is very chill. Now, granted, he did beat the shit out of Cortland Finnegan one time.

And by the way, Cortland Finnegan, hilarious human. I hope that those two kind of rekindle. I think they get along well. But he was always very calm whenever he talked and when he was with the Indianapolis Colts. He was always very collected, incredibly intelligent, never seemed like a guy that would uh kind of go uh uh kind of like off you know like it would andre johnson was like the model teammate whenever he came to the indianapolis colts and with deshaun watson's situation brewing down at the houston texans it is called for some ex

texans to voice their concerns with the texans franchise and and And Andre Johnson put out this long tweet that basically said, hey, Deshaun Watson, stand your ground. That organization is bullshit since Jack Easterby came in. It's pretty much what Andre Johnson said. Now, he's much more of a gentleman than I am, and he said it in a much more eloquent fashion, as you can see here. But that's pretty much what he said. And then it led to other.

Arian Foster said like hey if og here is talking andre if og is talking there's a reason and that's exactly how i felt whenever i saw him tweet that out by the way then dj reader responded and then others have responded i mean it feels like a lot of people that have played for the houston texans organization have potentially been completely turned off by the hou Texans organization once Jack Easterby got in there now the interesting thing about Jack Easterby is he came down from New England you see and whenever he got in there he became allegedly I would assume a problem behind the scenes whether it's political and who gets to who gets to make decisions and where's money going and things that happen you saw Nuke leave town DeAndre Hopkins got traded for a bag of

balls to the Arizona Cardinals we all saw DeAndre Hopkins in what he did this season in Arizona, what he's done in Houston with like 45 different quarterbacks before Deshaun got there. He's an absolute stud. He got sent out there. That is a wild time to be alive. But don't you fear, Houston Texans fan. One of the greatest football players on earth in Deshaun Watson,

he was at a Houston Rockets game last time. There we go. So if he's sitting down at a Houston Rockets game, what. Oh, there we go. So if he's sitting down there at a Houston Rockets game, what does that mean? He's a fan of the Rockets. If he's sitting courtside, that means he really loves the team. He wouldn't want to leave the Texans and not be able to go watch the Houston Rockets.

Oh, but what if he's a James Harden fan? Oh. Because he actually said in a press conference yesterday, get me the fuck out of here. I don't want to see his last game. He said it in the, yeah, he was like, listen, you're playing the Lakers too,

like we might as well go check out Braun, who's going to hit a three and turn around like he's Steph Curry in the middle of the game. And we're also potentially seeing James Harden's last game as a little bit bigger guy and also as a rocket.

So maybe that, maybe you should be a little bit bummed and think that this could get ugly and maybe Sean Watson will get shipped out of town. Will he go down to Miami? Well, that's an interesting thing because Miami players have allegedly came out in an anonymous fashion with local Miami media and just buried Tua, basically. Yeah.

Basically just said, like, you know what? We're not 100% sure about this guy. I think they all said that they liked him as a person. I don't think anybody's ever said they don't like Tua. But as a football player, I think there was a lot of questions I guess coming from the locker room. Couple quick things. Couple, if I may. You may.

I don't like the anonymous answer. Okay? I don't like, I've never liked it. This happened week six with the Cowboys with anonymous leaks. Now granted sometimes anonymous, and this is in the sports world please, so don't come at me with your leaks. Now, granted, sometimes anonymous, and this is in the sports world, please, so don't come at me with your bullshit. Well, you need anonymous sources for the safety of the program.

Fuck you. Okay, I'm talking sports. Legit. But I understand sometimes anonymous sources can leak something to get a narrative spun to potentially work out and benefit in your fashion or in the franchise organization's fashion if you need something. So when the Dallas Cowboys were leaking information to media members about how

bad the coaches were it felt like the players were thinking to themselves well we got to change something nobody's going to listen to us this whole thing I was asked a couple times whenever I was in a locker room if I would do an anonymous poll or an anonymous thing and I was like anytime I say something I think it might be good I would like my name to be associated with it. Okay. And that's not just me being like, oh, I hate like whenever people, it's me potentially being arrogant

because I think my answer is going to be a good one. So I would like my name to be next to it. I would like a little bit of credit for this. But also if you have an opinion, you should at least, you know, people should know on the other side of your opinion that it's coming from you. So that's a very, I don't love that love that the dolphins players did these anonymous quotes or whatever

and kind of buried a teammate because now what happens now to a good let's say nothing happens this offseason until it goes back in there and you know it's a little bit of an awkward situation because now two is staring at a room and it's almost like he's trying to figure out he's trying to be an fbi profiler he's trying to figure out who potentially gave the anonymous quotes about me sucking at football you know and it's almost like uh does he wear glasses no you know it's like a guess who game he's playing on who he thinks potentially did the whole thing but if this if this is something that you truly believe and you saw b flow pulled to a in a moment where they needed to win and put fitzmagic in. It feels like the Dolphins are sitting at number three in the draft. They're probably taking a quarterback.

And if the players are doing something and the coaches are doing something, and it feels like the fans are even potentially starting. No, they're not, Gumpy. Gumpy's a big Dolphins fan. They are not on the side of Tua should not be the quarterback of the future. The guy who wrote this article, Armando, he has been called into question before, Pat. Oh, no. So you're saying he's potentially lying about the anonymous sources?

He just made it up? Which is, by the way, anytime you read something about an anonymous source, you have to potentially factor in the fact that the person that's writing it or saying it potentially pulled out their ass and said, people are saying, because that's what we do on this show. A lot of people are also saying that we bashed Tua. No one has bashed Tua here. All we said, if you can get Deshaun Watson, you get Deshaun Watson. A lot of people also saying that we bash Tua. No one has bashed Tua here. All we said, if you can get Deshaun Watson, you get Deshaun Watson. That's a no-brainer. Yeah, it feels like it.

And we haven't bashed Tua. I haven't. Gumpy has, though. Gumpy has bashed Tua. D-Butt did yesterday. That was nothing. Oh, so now you see what's happening here is a lot of this. We can pull the clip back.

We can pull it back. All five fingers pointing out. But anyways, is Deshaun Watson going to go there? And if not, is Tua going to be able to be the quarterback of the future with now anonymous quotes about players not knowing if Tua is the guy? I mean, it's just, there's a clusterfuck. There's a lot of drama. There's a lot of reality. And we're heading into a massive weekend in the NFL.

We'll talk about all that. Also today at 530, okay? PM, NBC Sports Network, which I'm not sure anybody has, but you know what I'm talking about. The NHL is back. What game are they leading with? Great question. Greatest hockey player of all time.

Sidney Crosby is going to beat the fuck out of the Philadelphia Flyers. Watch out, Philly. There's a boost on FanDuel Sportsbook right now. Sidney Crosby scored one goal. He'll probably score six. Just to score one goal, it was boosted from plus 210 or whatever. Wow. You're doubling your money.

Greatest hockey player to ever put on skates. He will definitely score against Flyers. He hates the Flyers. Okay, he does not like them. Cross-state rival, but also in hockey, like, we are so much better than them at hockey. And they, like, are a chirping. They suck. We're great. They haven't won a Stanley Cup since 75. in hockey, like, we are so much better than them at hockey, and they, like, are a chirping, they suck, we're great, they haven't won a Stanley Cup

since 75, we've won them all the time, okay, so it's not even really a conversation. Sidney Crosby will score a goal, go hammer this boost at plus 210, I feel good about it, that's going to spin around, my hockey betting might go undefeated this year. Oh, alright! And by the way,

a lot of people are going to call into question my hockey knowledge. And I would like them to know that fucking bring it. Oh, hell yeah. I grew up in Hockey-tan, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Oh. Okay? Easy. What's that?

Easy. With Hockey-tan. I don't even know if the Red Wings are still in the NHL. My NHL knowledge might get called into question because I'm not even sure if y'all motherfuckers are even in the league anymore the last time i saw nhl hockey guess who wasn't involved fucking red wings they were not even invited we wanted to know why would you want to be a part of the dumb bubble listen the penguins the penguins did not play well in the bubble at all it's not really our thing like hey we win real stanley cups this whole thing we're not going into the bubble but that was the nhl literally, if we could get rid of teams,

these are teams we would get rid of. And the Red Wings, Hockey Town, were right in that list right there. The one-storied franchise, with Octopi getting thrown onto the ice, the Detroit Red Wings, now the NHL's saying, don't even fuck coming to bubble. I just want to let you know that.

In the NBA, they made rules to get Zion in there, if you do recall. The NHL could have done that with hockey town they chose not to okay so i don't even want to fucking hear it from uh detroit vince your team wasn't even invited to the nhl last year okay so i don't want to anyways i grew up in hockey con okay and when I was growing up you have no idea about the back-to-back Jack you're talking Yager Lemieux Francis Tommy Barrasso the boys were ham on the ice and that was right in my time period starter jackets you know what I mean Pittsburgh Penguins also the Penguins logo is incredible it's better than every other logo it looks good was never a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers always loved the players.

I was forced to watch the Steelers games, obviously, because my dad's a diehard, threw remotes and shit like that. And in Pittsburgh, if the Steelers win, the entire city is happy. Also in Pittsburgh, if the Penguins win, a large majority of the city is happy. Pittsburgh is a hockey town. That's just how it is.

The Pirates suck. Stink. Have, always will. Their their owners suck penguins are a team that has been very successful for a very long time we transition from one goat to another just like the fucking packers did with brett to aaron we got lemieux straight into sydney and then we bring in malkin and the boys let alone the young gunner the the young stud, Gensel, who's just a goal-scoring machine. I have no idea who's playing goalie. Hopefully it's the same guy from a couple years ago that knew how to catch a fucking puck on his glove side. But the Penguins are going to win by 50 tonight.

Wow. Hammer the over and hammer Sidney Crosby to score at least one goal plus 210. Hell yeah! Now, with that being said, I cannot skate and I've never played natural. At-Tone Diggs is here. Diggs. Yeah.

College football, nobody likes it anymore. I guess big drop off in the ratings. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Still had 15 million people watching though. Okay. And I know that you're comparing it to last year's college football Okay, still had 15 million people watching, though, okay? And I know that you're comparing it to last year's college football.

And I would assume, by the way, college football is a much different sport whenever the fans are there, and there's probably a lot more hype when everybody's involved. But I think this year the product did suffer from the lack of atmosphere more than maybe most other sports did. But 15 million people still watching. And I would assume the way it's being consumed is a little bit different and who knows about these nielsen ratings do you think the future college football is potentially in jeopardy because the product is not good enough to survive alone you

have to have the entire environment everything around that to make it worth a single fuck and with this covid 20 potentially around the corner yeah and covid 28 and covid 21 yeah i mean what if the game just has to survive off the game? Is college football going to be able to do that? College football is fine. Football is king. Hockey starts today. I mean, college football is 20 times the size of hockey.

The ratings were down. That's true. Yeah. The ratings were down in the national championship, but the semifinals were much higher than the national championship. I think people are just tired of watching Bama win national championship, Bama, Ohio State, Bama, and Clemson. They need to somehow find a way, expand the playoffs, get more teams in there,

get more fan bases in there. I thought the regular season was much better than the college football playoffs. Once the bowl season started, who gets a fuck? Yeah, the interesting thing about college football is, and people are bashing it this morning. I mean, those ratings came out and people started going after it for not, wait until they see these NHL ratings. But I think the trend of people watching shit at home is real,

but I think people have so much content to choose from now, they'll still keep up with the game, but maybe the Nielsen outdated rating can't keep up with them watching the game. Like, for instance, Nickelodeon allegedly only had 2 million viewers. I don't know how that's possible. Yeah, I don't believe that. Unless I have zero pulse of what's going on, and I guess I am strictly an internet person,

but that felt much larger than 2 million people. I'm not 100% sure. So maybe the ratings are a bunch of bullshit, and who cares? If something's getting talked about, maybe it's's good and if it's not dead to your point though like as a as a sport surviving without all the pageantry and stuff like that like when there is a game on and there's no fans for college football even the nfl you're like this this fucking sucks nfl is much better then let's not even yeah nfl still sucks without. I agree. It's not as good without fans. But in the NFL, you're seeing high-level shit happening.

You know what I mean? In some college games, football games, you're watching some high-level high school shit happening. You know what I mean? And not everybody is into that. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think college football will always survive. But everybody's bashing the ratings.

It's like 15 million people still. It's a lot. It's more than the NBA finals. It's like, yo, 15 million people still. It's a lot. It's more than like the NBA finals. It's more than any other sports finals. Yeah, that's a lot of motherfucking viewers at Boston Conner. We have a couple of big-time guests today. Can't wait to hear what you have to say. Ty Schmidt is here as well.

All the boys are here. Zito, your poll before we get to this break, before we have Rich Rodriguez. And then, by the way, we have Barry Sanders. What? Yeah, and then Cole Beas way, we have Barry Sanders. What? Yeah, and then Cole Beasley. We have a big show today. I'm pretty pumped about it. Yeah, and NHL's at 530 when Sidney Crosby scores seven goals against Philadelphia Flyers. Zito, what's your poll before we get to the break?

Yep, today is which one is more likely to make the Super Bowl? Right now we have Chiefs at 40.5% and Packers 59.5%. Here we go. Quick stats from Stats Diggs earlier. AFC number one seeds are 19 and 11 in this divisional round against whoever came to their house. And in the NFC, they're 24 and 6. Correct. Damn. So it seems like the NFC does move along 24-6. Correct. Damn. So it seems like the NFC does move along a little bit more, the trends are, than the AFC. But still pretty heavily favored in the one-seeds direction,

which is what we should think about when gambling this weekend. Although the Browns are getting 10 points against the Chiefs, and the Chiefs have not covered much this year. They'll win. We assume they'll win. But will they cover 10 cover 10 that's a lot I'm not sure in that AFC 1911 straight up 12 17 and one ATS oh wow oh so exactly what we just said yeah yeah joining me now is a man that I am so incredibly pumped to talk to yeah okay. Okay. Just yesterday, this man was announced as a new offensive coordinator for the University of Louisiana Monroe. I, to be completely transparent, thought he would be up for a big time job after what he did at Ole Miss two years ago.

But turns out the University of Louisiana Monroe team has an absolute savage coming down to run their offense. This man was my college coach. He was the one who signed me to a scholarship and get my education paid for. Education there, but I got a chance to ride the coattails of some great teams and some magical moments. And to be honest, this man, in the moment that i knew him i didn't fully understand him but as i've grown older can't help but have the ultimate respect for this dude ladies and gentlemen coach rich rodriguez what's up for the brand for the brand how are you doing this will be this will be entertaining for sure.

We want to tell some. I heard you do a pretty good Rich Rod impersonation. Well, you've heard it before, Coach. You have heard it. Now, listen, you know that I'd be able to do that. Those post-training camp gong shows, we'd bring the fucking house down, Coach, you see. Oh, good. Well, now that I saw you cuss, I know this is not PG rated.

You're full of shit, Hacker. More than half the time. But we're going to get this. Before we get anything started, let's get it straightened out about Pat McAfee. I've heard this Darrell Rivas punt return thing. I do remember that meeting. And I wore out that laser. And it wasn't just you that missed the tackle and was lazy and loafing on that

play. It was 10 other guys. But that was so uncharacteristic of Pat McAfee because you're like, you know, this guy's not just a specialist. I mean, this guy can play linebacker. I told everybody, everybody we had games, that this guy's the best punter, the kicker. He can play a lot of positions.

And lo and behold, we have an opportunity to make a tackle against Darrell Revis on national TV. And what he do he right down there right down there but no you're doing great oh everybody and this is my here's my my son rat will remind me of he said i know you told pat stories i said i said well, remind me something. He said, you know, every time we'd have picture day or media day, Pat would have some kind of crazy new hairdo, some kind of bullshit on his head. And I would say, Pat, can you not just be the freaking punter? Why do you have to do all this other shit?

Just be the freaking punter. Coach, hilarious. I was thinking about this this morning, okay? Now that I've – there, by the way, there's media day right there. Now that I've kind of this this morning, okay? Now that I've, there, by the way, there's media there right there. Now that I've, now that I've kind of, you know, because going into that West Virginia team, that was my first time in the football environment, right? Because I played soccer.

I didn't go to practice in high school football. I would only show up on like Friday nights or whatever. And that was my first time in the football environment. And I just acted like how I would act in regular life. Now that I've met like a lot of kickers and punters you know what I mean you guys had to have some hilarious conversations about like hey this kicker we got is a fucking asshole there had to be some I'm very different than a lot of other kickers and punters and I now realize that a different period that's okay

thank you I appreciate that. But the truth is, talent-wise, I love your personality. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but your competitiveness and your want to be the best was unmatched by anybody, not just in a special position. But I've always said this. I remember the first time I saw you in person kick and punt I said you don't have to see it you can hear it you can the best punters and kickers you can hear them and that was the case with you for sure well I appreciate that that means a lot you gave me an opportunity when many others didn't and now that I'm you know reading that you're going to the University of Louisiana Monroe after a year off the only thing I wonder especially because you got this hard edge podcast okay and

it's like a family you got a good family got a good puck have you lost your are you going to be soft down there are you soft oh I'm not no I gotta be I better be hard edge here right we got some work to do but you know it's a very unique opportunity. It's, you know, my son, who's got two years, he graduated with a four-some GPA with two years of eligibility left. He's looking for maybe a place to go. And a friend of mine, Terry Bowden, who I've

known for a long time, said, hey, well, you know, what's Rhett going to do? Is he going to look to transfer? And I said, yeah. And he says, why don't his dad come down and coach him? And I'm thinking, you know what? Instead of sitting on my ass, I like to work. I love ball. Maybe it's a great opportunity, you know, kind of write a new story.

And it's something that's unique that I got a chance to coach my son. And obviously they've got some work to do, right? There wouldn't be a new coaching staff if there wasn't. And they've got a lot of work to do. They're coming off an 0-10 season. But I'm really excited. The players are excited. The administration here is excited. And we're busy getting to work at ULM and we'll see what happens coach whenever you left

West Virginia you went to Michigan we all in our locker room in our locker room our guys you know what I mean we all by the way we're a very tight team and I think you can't that is not something that you can measure or put anything on if If your team comes together, that West Virginia team we had was very tight. But when you went to Michigan, we all knew, like, are the Michigan kids going to be able to handle Rich Rodriguez? You know, because our locker room, and I think you would probably say this, we had some dogs in our locker room, right? Like we were guys that were ready to go.

And we thought the Michigan thing was always going to be an interesting fit for you. Did you have any of those thoughts going in there? you have to change at all like what was it whenever you went up there because we had a lot of questions well that and that's fair i didn't visit there obviously you don't talk to the other team and didn't really know a whole lot about it uh other than their michigan brand and and their their history and all that but it was different i think you come in a little bit and i I wasn't a so-called Michigan man, and so sometimes when I tried to do things that I thought were basic to any good program, they looked at me like I had three heads.

It's like, geez, you know, what are you doing here? And I think there was some resistance at times initially, but I think eventually by the third year we had gotten that out and we were ready to roll. Unfortunately, I didn't get the fourth year to see it through. But it was tough transition, and I miss West Virginia. There's so much, Pat, that you probably don't even know, and I wish I would have had time before I left.

I should have had a meeting with the players, but I wish I would have had a press conference and explained to the West Virginia fans exactly what the reasons were and why I left such a great program to go to Michigan and so on and so forth. And I didn't do that. That was a mistake on my part because I was told, hey, just move on. They'll be okay. And I should have – the fans of West Virginia owed –

Oh, we got to call him back. He was getting ready. But there was like several stuff, Pat. Like we were doing pretty good, and we had a new young president, administration, and I wanted – I didn't ask for any demands for myself personally other than I wanted $50,000 more for an assistant coaches pool because I was losing a lot of good coaches every year. And, you know, I was a great staff.

And I thought, okay, $50, dollars is something but that's that's for the whole staff that's all I wanted fifty thousand dollars more I was told take it or leave it coach we've done all we can for you and that's it I'm like really and that was it that was the extent of the conversation wasn't like coach also also with what we were doing for West Virginia now hindsight I'll look back on this now that I'm in the college football world a little bit more with game day. West Virginia, I mean, we had those plaques on the wall. Thursday night football games on ESPN, we had the highest rating game of the year.

We were on primetime television every single week. We were winning a lot. And I saw, by the way, I saw a lot of West Virginia University. I saw a lot of buildings being put up. I saw a lot of classrooms getting redone. I saw attendance go up. I saw everything go up. So I would assume whenever you go like, hey, is there any way we can maybe continue to build this thing for $50,000? You would expect a simple yes there, I would guess. But we didn't know any of that. You know, none of us knew any of that was happening behind the scenes. I know. And that's probably, you know,

where I could maybe explain things but you know when your new employer says hey move on don't talk about it so and so forth you understand that but I don't know how many years it's been 13 14 years and I really haven't explained some of that stuff so you know this is a little bit of opportunity to do that but you're right we loved I remember when ESPN came to me and said coach we we would like to play some not, not just Thursday, but maybe a Friday night game, a Wednesday night game. I said, you can put us on primetime at any time. Our guys will be ready to come. They'll love it.

It didn't care what night of the week it was. You know, reality TV at its best, right? So we took as many as we could, and it helped us build the program. There was a couple games, man, that Maryland game. I mean, the Maryland game when Steve popped off for like 100 touchdowns after what, a week before signing day, they pulled his scholarship. Then obviously every time we got on the primetime with Louisville, it was a hell of a time.

I mean, we had runs back. I remember how pissed off you were. And I don't know if you were actually pissed off, but you were using it to kind of motivate. And I was one of the only freshmen, by the way, that played played right me and steve were one of the only freshmen that played so it was kind of an interesting little time there because there was an older class that when you first got there you brought in right jamala die in them i think is that class that was kind of the senior class there and then now we were kind of the young class that we were gonna get going and when louisville gets brought into the Big East, you used it as like,

oh, everybody's talking about how Louisville's the new king of the Big East. Like, I remember you not being thrilled about it. And then that first time we played them, what was it, a triple overtime game? We get the win. And that was really, I think, the moment that catapulted us into, you know, like that next tier. And we had what was unique is we had you know you talk about a cast of characters not just yourself but you know there were a lot of guys that maybe

were a little bit overlooked or somehow you know fell under the radar or developed a different way you know the own smits of the world who was the probably the best fullback in college football i know there wasn't a lot of fullbacks at the time but what a great story these guys all were and it was just for me i probably have not said it enough how much i appreciate the effort because you guys worked your ass off oh yeah you know with barbers in the weight room and what you did this summer i i'm so appreciative of the effort the guys gave and i just assume pat no matter where you go everybody works like that but there's it doesn't do that all the time until you're there and build that culture once you build that culture like Alabama has now where everybody works that way it sometimes takes a little time I talked about that

yesterday with how Devontae Smith has had to sit behind two superstars and instead of transferring Alabama has this culture where they're like no you're going to compete okay you're going to compete here and then whenever it's your time to get on the field you're going to go okay like that this is how it's going to work and they'll be able to do that forever by the way if they want to now that it's been established like that that culture is something you can't really have our culture was one where we i feel like was that that had to have been the most blue collar team you've ever been we had to i mean legitimately had to have been the most blue-collar team you've ever been around. We had to have been. I mean, legitimately had to have been. Yeah, it's like you want to say, whoa, not sick them, right?

And I've always said that. Well, these guys got to the point where they were ready to do it. Not that they wanted to run up that damn hill, ball school hill all the time and do all the drills that Byrus was going through. But, you know, you weren't adverse to hard work, and you weren't adverse to adversity. And I think there was a bond by doing that, where you had a little chip on your shoulder saying,

we're a little old West Virginian, and we're going to come whip your ass. You know, and that's no matter where we're at and who we're at. And, you know, it's like the Sugar Bowl in Georgia. I remember that. We couldn't wait to play Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, because everybody was talking about little West Virginia from the Big East you got the SEC champs and then like two nights before then in the same place we were playing in Atlanta LSU like destroyed Miami or somebody uh in that game and everybody's talking

about SEC SEC and they're good they were good but I said I think we got a sneaky little good team too and and they'll be ready to prove themselves. We had a hell of a time that week, and I'm sure you've been told the stories now that you've kind of left. We were very loose that week. Our team, there was not a lot of worry from many of our team, and it might have been because we were too young at the time. We were freshman-based. Most of us were freshmen.

Now, there was seniors, obviously, legendary seniors, Dan Moses and the boys. There was those types of guys. But the freshmen, we were – I don't think we even had a clue what was going on. We go to that Peach Bowl. Remember, we watched – they had us go watch that game. We got tickets to that whole game. And there was SEC. And then there was dog fans barking at us on the street whenever we were walking around.

And it was just – like, our whole team was like, get the fuck out of our face. Like, it was literally like that the whole week. And then we go out and get that win. And I remember after game you had we did a bunch of chants like there was a bunch of chants and everybody was all in and we had a big east chant that we radiated through the whole thing and it just so happened to be i think the cameras were live on there and it was such i can't believe the big east got taken away man we had such a good conference up there rich Rich. Such a good conference going on. And it was, I was in, you know, obviously I was in that league when it was coming

apart, and probably the Big East at the time is it was already fractured. It had football schools, basketball schools, and Notre Dame, and everybody's going to fight for their own agenda from a school standpoint, and so when the conferences started to implode a little bit, I told our administration, we better find something to hurt

because we're going to be left standing with nothing at the Big East. And so trying to get in the ACC and the Big Ten, which would probably be a more natural geographic fit, didn't happen. And so I think that's – then I left. So I think that's why they had to go to the Big 12. But, you know, West Virginia's got so much to offer. I don't care about how many TV eyeballs are on there. You know, the West Virginia brand, the West Virginia fans,

the importance of football in that state, I think has a lot to offer to everybody. Hey, and you built that, dude. Like, that has to feel pretty cool. Well, you built that. I mean, the players we were getting, and sometimes you get, you know, it bothers me to say, well, you've got a bunch of blue-collar players and, you know, they develop well. I says, well, you've got a bunch of blue-collar players, and, you know, they develop well.

I mean, these guys are talented now, too, now. They weren't just blue-collar guys that worked hard. I mean, Pat McAfee is crazy nuthead, and I love him as a personality, but if his ass couldn't kick or punt, I wouldn't have had him on the team. I mean, I love you, Pat, but, you know, I had you on the team because selfishly I knew you were pretty damn good. Did you have to, like, you coached hard. You coached us hard. We were coached hard.

By the way, this is just like whenever people talk about Tom Brady up in New England. Like, Tom had to give the okay, right, for Bill to coach him in front of the team meeting and yell at him. And kind of so everybody kind of sets a standard. I'm not sure there's a lot of coaches in 2021 going into 2022 that still coach hard just because of the new genre of human, the new way things kind of go. With your son obviously being on the team, how do you balance that? Are you still? Hey, your piss is still hot. No way.

No way your piss is still hot the entire from period one. No way. You can ask Rhett, my son. He'll still – the difference is Rhett is so smart, and he's more mature than I am too. I mean, I yell at him. A lot of guys will give me that look like, oh, God. I yell at Rhett, and he just smiles at me.

So he already knows it's coming. And so he gets it. But I think a lot – here's the difference, Pat. I'll tell you what the difference between 20 years ago and now. 20 years ago, you'd get on a guy and tell him to do something. Okay, coach, I'll do it. Now they'll still do it, but they want to know why. And if you tell them the wrong reason, they'll Google it up and say,

nope, coach, that ain't what it says on Google or some shit. So they're smarter nowadays. You can't fool them. So I still think guys want to be coached at all levels. And if they know that you can help them be the best version of themselves, if they know you can help them have success, then you can get through to them and be all right. Okay.

I tell them, I'm a louder guy a little bit. I know you kind of make fun of me that way. You're right. I like to yell a little bit. I won't yell long. But when I do, I just try to get their attention get it corrected and let's move on and impressive hey the way you put words together too so just succinct it is it was it was art it was fucking hard we used to go back home you know to our houses after practice and things like that

and we would you know the house where you had, like, just a get-together. You weren't having a party? Is that the one you're talking about where the police got called? No, no, no. No. I would never party at my house. No, no. The team camaraderie building barbecue.

That's the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. It was, oh, he just hung up. Hopefully his number wasn't up. It wasn't. Okay, good news. Man, he's awesome, dude. Jeez. I'll tell you, whenever he would yell, though,

sometimes he would just look and yell and then look back away. He was out of a movie, dude. We go back to the house that he was referring to there, and teammates would come over or whatever, and I was going to say, you know, we'd sometimes smoke a little cbd or whatever you know and we would just we would talk about what you said during the day hey coach you kind of dropped off there um and i don't know who's calling you maybe that was a ulm saying get the hell off the show but we uh i appreciate you for joining us what i was telling you is you would have a hell

of a practice okay it was a day where you wanted to set the tone, and somebody was fucking up or whatever. You would have a hell of a practice. And at night, obviously, we'd all be miserable during it because, you know, normally that involves some bar with shit, too, if you didn't like what was going on. It was like, okay, there's a tag team coming here. If things aren't going well, we're going to do this or whatever, you know?

We would go home at night night and the duplex where the neighbor was having a party. And I just so happened. Yeah. The neighbors. Yeah. Neighbors place. Yeah. I got you. Yeah. By the way, you remember being neighborly. That's right. Saying hello. Hey, what type of representative would I be of the Mountaineers if I didn't go and say hello to the gathering that was happening right next door to my house? I'd be rude. I didn't go and say hello to the gathering that was happening right next door to my house. I'd be rude if you. Take 10 of your teammates with you.

10. Have the police come just to make sure everything's good. Everything's good. Got to do it. Coach, I would like to break some news to you. That meeting the next day, the emergency meeting the next morning after, you know, a couple guys who were very talented, very good, got arrested. And very unfortunate, which, by the way, was not at my house or the neighbor's house that was elsewhere but uh the emergency meeting that happened the next morning you know i knew it was not good okay so not good teammate comes in wakes

me up i'm on the couch they wake me up they're like uh we got a meeting i was like when they're like right now i'm like i thought we weren't supposed to be until noon they're like emergency meeting check your phone or whatever i I'm like, oh, fuck. I didn't know what had happened. I just woke up, so I didn't even know what had happened yet. I go in, and obviously we go into the meeting. And Coach Stewart, rest in peace, by the way, what a legend of a man. He calls me over before we get in a team meeting. He goes, where were you last night, Patrick?

And I go, I was at my house. I was at my house. He was like, you were at your house last night at 1130, midnight, after curfew? I was like, I was at my house. You can ask anybody. I was at my house. And he was like, all right, somebody is going to get in some shit. I just want to let you know good luck in there, basically,

is what Coach Stu said to me. And we go in there, and you had that meeting, and you had the seniors stand up. Do you remember you had the seniors stand up? And then you had the GAs were all standing up too, the coaches were standing up. And you were like, whenever you're making these decisions, you're fucking these guys, final round or whatever.

All those dudes were at the party. Every single one of them. Now I thought you were in the truth. They lied to me. All the coaches were there too. Even the police that escorted you during games, they were the ones that were actually putting. That was, hey, whenever we,

I know a lot of bad things happened afterwards, but when you talk about, like, pretty monumental parties, I think, in the history of Morgantown, we had a rapper performing in the front yard at, like, midnight. The cops shut down the block. I mean, it was amazing. Pat, you're expected all your listeners and your crew there to believe. You can't piss down my back and tell me.

Keep selling that story, brother. Keep selling it. All right. Well, it was a that that party was fucking awesome. But and I forget exactly what I was going to go to because we got into that. But did you, the year before you went to Michigan, you almost went to Alabama. And it was on ESPN. It was on ESPN, the whole thing.

They had your face on there. I think they even had like a, I think they even had the old Bear Bryant hat on your head at one point on ESPN, you know. Oh, yeah. I think they even had the old Bear Bryant hat on your head at one point on ESPN. Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm partly responsible for Alabama winning six national championships in the last 13 years. I didn't know when they hired Nick Saban, the greatest of all time. But, no, it was a unique opportunity.

Obviously, like how stupid is this guy, right? But I knew what we had coming back at West Virginia. And at the time, West Virginia, we were better than them. Now, obviously, what Nick has done there is just second to none. But, you know, that wasn't an easy decision, certainly, because Alabama's Alabama. But I didn't look back at it twice. How close were you?

Real question, because I think the rumors that got to the players about that, because we had a meeting that morning as well after the espn thing we had a meeting uh that you called team meeting or whatever and we were going in there we we assumed it was about the thing we saw on espn last night and then you you come in there okay you bring your family in there and you're up in the front and there's media in there and you like took your time for a little bit and it was basically like leonardo dicaprio and wolf wall street like i'm not leaving basically it was like it was like one of those situations it really was and we were i remember all of us looking around going like what the fuck just happened and then the meeting was you cut the meeting it was basically just like that and we're all just

like what the hell we have no idea what just happened i think we want to either lunch or a workout and then there was a bunch of rumors that like uh that we were being told in obviously once something starts in a locker room it just goes so who knows who brought it in but the the rumor was you didn't know if you wanted to take the alabama job or not while you were coming into the meet like maybe an hour before the meeting yeah this ain't just so much drama bullshit yeah it was awesome i want to let you know when it was going around it was awesome because i thought about you going. I thought about you. It was just.

Hold on, Coach. I was off for the job. Coach, hold on. I thought of you, okay, like walking into that team meeting just being like, fucking, I'm staying here. Like that massive of a decision. Like that was what we started doing. Like we were like, imagine Coach or Rich Rod just walking in and going,

all right, I'm fucking staying. We thought you were that savage of a dude to do that. I should have. If I would have thought of that, I would have. Was it close, though? How close? I had a couple meetings with him. I had a meeting with him in New York.

They had offered the job. But I said, listen, I never told them I was coming. I never hinted that I was coming, and how that got there, who knows, but certainly, I got back to West Virginia. We had some, you know, a lot of people that said, coach, we're going to step up even more because I wanted some facilities improvements, stuff for the staff, and some promises were made, and I'm like, this is great, and so, you know, I didn't go there, and most of the things that they promised, some of them they did. But a year later, some of the things that were promised weren't done.

But nonetheless, I didn't regret it at all at the time. And I was glad to be able to be with you guys one more year. Did you think at all whenever the Michigan job came? Because of how it ended there with 13-9. I mean, I had the worst game of my life. It was not a good night. Worst night of my life probably. You know, that game, it just pisses us all off.

I mean, we didn't play well. I didn't coach well. It was the worst night of my football life. But that had nothing to do at all with any coaching decisions, certainly not the Michigan thing. So that pisses me off when people say, well, you know, if anything else, I wanted to come back, win a national championship to prove that.

Well, that's what I wanted to say, though. Was there ever a thought like, you know what? I got a guy still in Pat. Who knows if Steve's coming back, but we got Noel coming back. We still got to score. We got to score. That was a huge part of it. That's why I was so torn.

And had it been like the things that was promised a year before had they delivered all of that like they said yeah and the fifty thousand dollars for the system have they not just the again this young the young you new administration when it just dismissed and said listen we've done all we can for you take or leave it i'm like i'm trying to win a national championship here and uh what I'm fighting for obviously helps me, but more than anything, it helps our program. It helps West Virginia. And so that was the frustrating part about all that.

You're right. I think the program was in good shape, for sure. As somebody who, you know, if somebody disrespects me, I will hold it against them forever. I could see how a, whenever you're told something's going to happen and we continue to produce the way we produce. I mean, that was a, I mean, that's the, the golden era of Mountaineer football. I mean, Pat won five bowl games. If you count the senior bowl, two of them being BCS game. I mean, it's just that run there. I could see how

fine, like here we are on January 13th, 2021, and I think I fully understand why you wanted to slap him in the mouth and say, I'm out of here. And also, it's Michigan, too. I mean, there's billionaires that are just strolling out of cafes up there. I mean, that's a whole different world. But, yeah, that was a frustrating part because we had built it, I say we, everybody, the players, coaches, staff, the fans,

all have built it to this point and i want to take one more step so not only could we win it but we could stay there where we were at because we were in a pretty good spot my gosh so that was disheartening a little bit that wasn't the only reason but that was the main reason why i'm like okay gosh michigan's got a brand name i'll just take that same kind of culture and bring it there. And, again, that culture took a couple years to take hold and didn't have enough time to finish it. But, nonetheless, it was a move you make and you live and move on.

And now I'm at a point where, you know, I get an opportunity to coach my son. My daughter and I are doing podcasts, which you've got to come. Come be a visit on the Hard Edge Football Podcast. Would love to. Get to enjoy your ball a little bit. You, the final thing before I, and I can't thank you enough for your time here, man. I really look forward to this.

And I knew that, I didn't know which time, when it should happen. You getting a new job, I think it was just the perfect timing. So I appreciate you doing this. Your offense, you know, how Mummy had the air raid offense, right? He's how mummy had the air raid offense right he's uh the father of the air raid offense the spread offense though that is all over college and the nfl right now now granted there are air raid pieces in the nfl but there's a lot of spread

that's kind of like i don't want to speak out of pocket here but were you one of the founders of that was that your offense how did how is what you're seeing right now all over the place you I don't want to speak out of pocket here, but were you one of the founders of that? Was that your offense? How is what you're seeing right now all over the place you think has been influenced by an offense you created at, I forget what small school it was. It was at Glenville State. They say that necessity is a mother invention. Well, 30 years ago or 25 years ago when I was coach at Glenville State,

it was a perfect job to take because they were 0-10 the year before we got there and got shut out seven times. And so we get a first down and got a standing ovation. I'm like, shit, this is the best place in the world. At the time, I'm like, okay, what are we going to do? And I always as a defense, I was a defense guy before then. I'm like, okay, I'm a coach offense. What's the hardest offense to defend?

It always seemed like any time somebody went in their two-minute drill, they would go up and down the field. I'm like, why don't they do that the whole game, right? So I thought, okay, Glenn, well, we're going to be something you need where we can go no huddle, shotgun, and then go two-minute drill the whole game. That was the birth of this type of offense. Then the zone read came a couple years into that, some of the other

stuff that we're doing and here 25 later years later we've tweaked it a lot we've done some different stuff but the base of it started out of necessity at Glenville State and it's been neat the NFL was the slowest to change to get guys in the gun do some athletic quarterback type of stuff some zone read stuff but now you see it uh both on Saturdays and Sundays, which is kind of neat. Well, ULM 0-10. I'm assuming they did get shut out a couple times. Can't wait to see the standing O you get down there. Thanks for joining us, Coach.

I appreciate you. Thanks, Pat. Keep it to us. Appreciate it. Proud of you, bud. Hey, go dominate down there. Appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Rodriguez.

Yeah! Let's go, Luthor! Woo! Woo! His cops were not at the party. Go dominate down there. Appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Rodriguez. His cops were not at the party. Showed us later. He was right. The cops were not at the party. Did he ever get tossed from a game or no? Who, him?

Yeah. I don't know how. He almost fought. Oh, fuck. He almost fought. There was a guy down at USF. He used to run sprints before the game. The Bulls.

Blonde-haired guy. I forget his name. Anyway, I think him and Coach Rod potentially had a couple moments where we thought they were going to fight. We were pumped. Because I think the guy was a pretty big guy, and he did some stuff. I don't know if they ever did or if we were just misreading the situation, but there were some exchanged words, if you know what I'm talking about.

And we're like, oh, my God, this guy has no idea rich rod is about to pummel him rod's on the goddamn stair stepper every single morning like 5 30 a.m just going as high maybe two eiffel towers and then coming back down every he was just he has so he was a very very intense guy yeah but he is hysterical if you can add hilarity with intensity that's what practices were and there were some moments where you're scared to death like what's going on but then whenever you recount it it's like oh my god that was one of the most brilliant things i've ever heard said at that moment what's up i might maybe jim levitt was the coach down there yeah yeah was he younger whenever we were at the time yeah and he wore the visor with the spiky

hair out of one hair yeah i believe him and Coach had a couple. And then him and, rest in peace, I believe, Maryland Coach, Ralph. Frijan. Frijan. Frijan. Yeah. I believe they had a hilarious interaction as well after one game. So those were both after the game they almost fought?

Yeah. I don't know if they're after or before. The Ralph one, I think, was after. The Leavitt one was maybe before. I forget. But obviously, whenever you're winning a bunch, and you know what I mean? There's teams that are not going to be exactly thrilled with you.

Especially, I don't know how. I would love to hear what Coach Rod says to other coaches, by the way, because he probably drops a chess shit talk in the middle of, if I had to guess. To a ref. Yeah. Are you kidding me? It's wild that he's talking about that West Virginia wouldn't give him

$50,000 for his coaches. All of them yeah not one coach i looked it up alabama's coaching staff between all of them is 7.75 million but aj just talked about the other day how fickle's losing his coaching staff because the bigger scores were offering to pay them more money rich rod west virginia fickle cincinnati seems like it's a very similar situation there we always heard that there there was like a – yeah, very similar, by the way. And watching those Cincinnati teams, I think that is why I'm so akin to them because it felt like they were kind of like us. You know what I mean? And by the way, our first game against the SEC was Georgia in a bowl game.

Now, granted, ours was a BCS game. This one was not. So I saw them winning that game. It's like, okay, here we go. This is literally the exact same squad. Got an athletic quarterback who's very good. It seems to have a defense that hums a little bit. They seem like each other a lot and fickle's a great head coach and then yeah you're it's hey don't let history repeat itself bearcats yeah you're all cincinnati's

got the bangles stink come on fucking sub them out dude get them some money down there so you didn't know about that fifty thousand dollar thing no no we had no idea we heard that there was a potential conversation behind the scene was with him and either the athletic director or the president. But I didn't know that it was just that. Like, I had no idea it was like that. But the only thing we had was we had a hell of a fucking team who had still another year. Like, you know what I mean? We had another year.

So a lot of us were like, no matter what was happening behind the scenes, you have to come back. But now that I'm an adult, like, if I was just, hey, listen, I just put your fucking university. Okay. I put this university, the school that I went to on the goddamn map. I would like to help out the boys a little bit. I would like to do some other things. They're like, we've done all we can. It's like, hey, fuck you.

How about that? If you think about 50K is what? Two kids, tuitions, or maybe one quarter of ticket sales at a game. Or, by the way, you can just, you know, fake the admission price just for one year, and it's probably one person. I was going to say, I feel like finding 50K really isn't that difficult in a college football program, especially one that's winning BCS bowl games.

And I'd assume that he could. So I think that's why Rich Rod was like, you could do this. You're choosing not to. Is this how this is going to be forever And Michigan goes But boy we were confused Like bro come on bro I'm getting death threats right now

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How are you doing? Hey, you know, I'm really – I saw your name on the sheet that we were talking today. Until I just saw my face next to yours, I don't think I fully understood. We're interviewing like a goat. Yeah. Thanks for coming on the show, dude. Really appreciate that. Hey, man, it's great to see you too.

Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Hey, no problem. Let's talk real quick. I just read off your list of accomplishments. I would assume all of those kind of ring true. But the Lions not winning a Super Bowl when you were there or doing anything. Is that the only regret of your entire career?

Do you have any regrets at all? Because look at this. Ten-year career, ten-time All-Pro, ten-time Pro Bowler. That's called success, right? That's batting a thousand right there. Is there any regrets at all in anything that you've done in your football life no hey look i i certainly feel like i missed out on that experience pat i mean ever since i became interested in the game as a

kid i understood how big it was to play in a super bowl um and uh and know, just the fact that I end up being able to be fortunate enough to play in the NFL. Then you realize that how precious it is that a lot of great players play this game. And that's one of those things where, hey, look, there's no guarantees when it when it comes to that. And you have to earn your way there. Your team has to earn its way there. We got close, you know, but like they say, close but no cigar. But I can't, you know, to say regrets, I don't know if I'd call it a regret. But, you know, I wish this was something I could have experienced. But just one of those things that happened in this game.

That was the poor phrasing on my part. I didn't mean regret, but but the only thing that didn't... I mean, you win the Heisman. I mean, you win the MVP, the Offensive Rookie of the Year, Offensive Player of the Year. I mean, it is just... You were the guy every single time you stepped onto a football field. It is incredibly awesome to be talking with you.

Here we are 23 years later, basically, right? Is that 97? When was last year? When was last year? Right. 22, 23 years, yes. 22, 23 years later basically right is that 97 when was last year when was last year right 22 23 years yes 22 23 years later anytime somebody does something that is just incredibly athletic on a football field the the early comparisons are this guy kind of looks like barry sanders won't be barry sanders but kind of looks like barry sanders that has to feel pretty good and has there ever been somebody that they said this guy is kind of like barry sanders where you're like you know what i do believe that guy is similar to how i play

no you know what pat it's always a huge honor honestly um because i remember growing up watching the game and and following different players and and trying to go out in my in my front yard or whatever uh and imitate guys like mar Allen or Tony Dorsett, you know, or Gail Sayers or Walter Payton or whoever. And so the fact that people see me in that same way is absolutely amazing honor. And it's sort of a way that my career has been able to live on. And so, yeah, there's a lot of great running backs that have come along, you know, and that sort of, you know, have sort of similar, similar attributes,

you know, and, and so for me, it's always been, you know, high praise. What was it about, you were so good. I mean, what was it? Was it your training? Like, did you have insane training routines? Was it your football IQ? What do you think it was that that really led to the success you had on the field? Well, I think, Pat, I think it was a lot of things, but I always had that chip on my shoulder of that kid who wasn't recruited very highly and and who coaches doubted. who coaches doubted. And so I always, I was always serious about training and I was always serious every time I stepped on the field because I knew it was a huge honor to play in this game

and to play running back, you know, after being a kid who, you know, Pat, I'm that young man who used to draw football, man. You know, I don't know how good my artwork was, but it was just something that I used to do just because I loved the game and had that passion. You know, and so I think it was a combination of things, you know, but every time I stepped on the field, it was serious business and it was a big honor. Everybody talks about how you retired early, you know, how you retired young, how you could have still played at a very high level. I also retired after a Pro Bowl year.

Never gets talked about. But everybody still references it to this day that you still had a lot of years left. What exactly? For me, let me tell you. Now, I'm nowhere near what you are, okay? But once I reached, like, the top, I think. I don't think there was anybody doing what I did better. I realized the amount of work that if I wanted to maintain there,

what it would take, the amount of focus, the amount of tension, the amount of mental, basically everything in my life would have to be towards kicking a ball. And I got to the point where I was content with what I did in the football world, with what I gave back to the game. And I thought if somebody else was to do how I would have to do it, if I wanted to do both off the field business and on the field business, I'd be disrespecting the position. I honestly thought that like, I was like, if you're in the NFL, you should be a full

focus on it. I don't want to do that. So for me, there was a lot of things that went into play for you. I forget the exact reasons that have been rumored on why. Was there a part of like you were content with your football life? What was the exact thought of retiring early? Everybody on earth who watched you play every single week said you still had many years left if you wanted to. Well, for me, Pat, it was just one of those things where after 10 years, I realized that that drive and that determination, that fire to continue to be a player wasn't there in the same way.

And I had experienced everything but the Super Bowl, you know. And so for me, it really came down to those things that, you know, after having a wonderful career that I could step away, that there was really no more to prove. I had a great run. I think that's probably one reason why I was able to step away because I had experienced such a great career. Some of those things are really why I was able to retire when I did. You still got it? You got some quick moves, man. How's that say? You still got it? You still got a little how's my say you still got it you still got

a little wiggle huh still got a little maybe very little where do you live now barry i live in michigan oh you're still up in michigan outside detroit yep okay you're a part of the council i believe if if our intel is telling us right that is maybe an independent or third-party group that helps people hire GMs and coaches and everything like that. How did you get involved with that? And do you enjoy that process? And are the Lions, okay, we have a diehard Lions fan in here in Evan Fox. Sorry.

You better have one. There you go. I mean, to be honest, Barry, there's a lot larger story here we could tell you about Foxy's fanhood. No, let's skip that. Okay. We'll get into it next time. We'll get into it next time.

I don't know if he would ever want to. With you, he might cry if the story got to you. Please don't. Yeah, but anyways, he's a diehard Lions fan. And it's like Jim Caldwell was there having success. And then it's almost like pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. It's whenever you just want a little bit of greed. Like, okay, we think we're here now.

We want to go a little bit more. And then it's obviously taking a turn back, which is automatically reminding everybody of the last, you know, hundred years with the Lions of this whole thing. Whenever you're giving advice on who should be a GM or a coach, and I assume you take that job very serious, what are you looking for? What type of coach or GM do you think in Detroit would have success how do we get the Lions you know Barry how do we get the Lions to the Super

Bowl absolutely yeah I love it man well hey hey look there must be a way okay right first off there must be a way uh to get this But, you know, what happened with this particular situation, Pat, is the new owner, Sheila Ford Hamp, you know, she just said she's going to have Chris Spillman kind of lead the charge with a few others and that Chris could reach out to me and just kind of bounce ideas off of me. I've spoken with him, but really he's the guy. You know, obviously he's been around the game many years as a commentator. And when you're commentating, obviously you really have to know the ins and outs of the personalities, coaches and players and what have you.

And obviously also as well, Chris's brother is a general manager. He's been in the league for many years. So that's kind of the situation we're in. I wouldn't say I'm heavily involved in making that decision. In making that decision. I'm not trying to pass the buck, obviously. But Chris and Sheila are the ones who are going to decide that. I don't want to take too much credit, but to some degree, I am involved in the process.

Like I said, I've spoken to Chris, and he has a good process of going about it. He understands, like I said, the personalities in the pro game as well as the college game. He's looking at all possibilities and options. One thing I know about Chris, he's looking at um you know all possibilities and options and one thing i know about chris he's a tough competitor uh he loves the game he loves the lions um you know he understands the game and so i think we're in good hands as far as uh who's searching for a new coach diehard lions fan kind of evan fox barry back in 91 he led the lions their only playoff win in super bowl era uh what was the city like after that? Because I saw the highlights in the Silverdome,

and I thought the place was going to explode. Oh, absolutely. It was so electric, man. It was so electric and so fun. And I just assumed that I'd play in several NFC championship games and have a chance to play in several Super Bowls. But that particular year, yeah, I mean, everything just kind of came together. You know, and it's almost kind of really hard to put your arms around

what was that thing that happened. Mike Utley being injured, you know, was a big motivation for us. But, yeah, I mean, that was the closest we came. We had a good run of playoff appearances and things like that. And it's just interesting that we beat an up-and-coming

Dallas team that went on to win three Super Bowls in 91. And you would have thought that we would have had a chance to at least sneak in there and win one. But there's some incredible teams, when you look back at it, who won the Super Bowl when I played in the 90s. Really kind of historic dynasty-type teams won Super Bowls. And so for that reason, I don't feel as bad for not winning one.

But, you know, so that's how it is. Well, the thing about Detroit is not only the Lions, but also I think the Red Wings have gotten invited back into the NHL too. So hopefully. Come on now. What are we saying here? Barry, they weren't even invited to the game last year. They weren't even invited to the bubble.

They said stay in Detroit. Don't even come. We'll get you guys up to the NHL back next year. That's what they said. But hopefully, I think the bubble. They said, stay in Detroit. Don't even come. We'll get you guys up to the NHL back next year. That's what they said. But hopefully, I think the Lions fans, and I do mean this, they deserve it. You know what I mean? Like, we're seeing a Cleveland fan base right now, right? And obviously, they don't get a chance to be in the streets or anything like that.

Having a blast. Lions fans deserve it. And I would argue that many Lions fans probably say hasn't been since barry sanders put on the fucking uniform that we've been worth a damn so i hope it happens barry i do hope it happens but uh you know the red wings they stink connor what do you have barry another lions legend that kind of stopped playing uh during his prime was calvin johnson do you ever talk to him and or and also do you ever see him kind of coming back to the Lions and helping the organization out the way you do? You know, I haven't – I don't see Calvin often.

And so I've bumped into him maybe once or twice since he retired. And it would be great if he felt welcome to come back and to do anything with the Lions. And I know through sort of going through that experience, sometimes it just takes a little time for one to just get away from it for a while and mature and see things a different way and whatever the case may be. But I know that I speak for the Lions in saying he's certainly welcome,

and we hope that that happens sooner rather than later. Okay, so you and Calvin, interesting situations, right? And we talk about a potential curse on the Detroit Lions organization, and it's the paying back of the signing bonus or whatever is that what you're referring to whenever you talk about growing older and kind of looking back and realizing like you know okay definitely not cool and it seems like no other franchise probably would have done that Andrew Luck actually got 25 million dollars not to play from the Indianapolis Colts and Jim Irsay but like is that what you're talking about is that what you're referring to

because if you you could see how you and Calvin would be very pissed off about that, especially with you two being the two from the Detroit Lions organization. Well, it's never fun to have to write those large checks, but I can't speak for Calvin. I know for me it was just a matter of time and sort of time passing and enough perspective on the situation, realizing that, you know, I'm a lion for life and, you know, I probably could have handled things different on my end as far as retiring, you know, and so, but, you know, after a certain

number of years, you realize that, hey, look, you know, the lions are my family, you know, after a certain number of years, you realize that, hey, look, you know, the Lions are my family, you know, and and you move on. It was great memories. I don't know how Calvin feels about that, but obviously he's up for Hall of Fame this year. And so he put up great stats. People will always see him as a lion, you know, eventually you just kind of put uh differences aside and come together and and um and get past you know some of the differences you had in the past yeah and hopefully the billionaires will give you guys your money back but the um do you ever put your sorry i put you in that position there but the um you ever put the gold jacket on, just walk around the house? I would. No, I normally just save that for special occasions.

So no, I don't do that. I wouldn't want to spill anything on it or anything like that. Smart. I wouldn't want anything to happen to it. So it's just normally tucked away in a safe place until I'm asked to wear it somewhere. Man, could you imagine walking into a filled restaurant? You guys got a seat? I thought so.

I thought so. Ty, where you going? Barry, whenever you watch old highlights of you, it seems like you just never got tackled. You made guys look like idiots more times than not. Was there anyone throughout your career who you felt like really had your number or it was just like always you know when you went to play them you're like oh this this guy's gonna be up my ass all day no i i played against some just fantastic uh defenses and defensive players um and for me it was always exciting

you know to to uh go to soldier field, for instance, and play against a Reggie white, um, or go down to Tampa Bay and play against John Lynch, uh, you know, or, or someone like that, um, you know, or Derek Brooks, um, you know, or, or at the end of his career, Ronnie lot, um, you know, the list goes on, you know, guys like Steve Atwater's, um, you know, and, and, um Lott. You know, the list goes on. You know, guys like Steve Atwaters, you know, and when I first came into the league, there were still a few players left from the 85 Bears. Mike Singletary, Richard Dent, you know, Dan McMichaels.

I mean, you know, the list goes on and on, man. I mean, my last game ever, I played against Ray Lewis. And so I think great players bring out the best in each other, you know, and they challenge you. And so, you know, you see a lot of my highlights, but I certainly had a few lowlights as well. Nah, nah, nah. Great defensive players.

But you're right. We don't have to talk about that. I agree with you, Pat. I absolutely agree with you. Just like in music, only the bangers survive, boss. Only the bangers survive. There's some artists from back in the day. You hear a lot of like, for instance, I'm doing this now with the new genre of music

where I'm like, this song stinks. You guys are listening to it. But that song won't survive. That song will not survive. Ten years from now, there will only be a few songs that survive because only the bangers survive. And that's in sports. Ten years from now, there will only be a few songs that survive because only the bangers survive. And that's in sports. Only the highlights survive, boss. That is good news.

I do wish you were able to play during the social media era, though, because I think the memes and the amount of the attention to the things you did to other professional athletes would have garnered a lot of attention. That is kind of a bummer. Hey, let's talk about the Rocket Mortgage Super Bowl Squares sweepstakes that you're representing here. A lot of winners, okay? It's the world's biggest Super Bowl Squares game.

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Probably not. I'm guessing. Wayne's a word. I'm sorry. You just saw me not be. There's a reason. I'm not supposed to have this job, but I have it buried, so I don't really understand.

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You know, every time the score changes, $50,000. Last year was a great success. You know, like you said, we gave away $1.75 million to fans. And we're looking for a great high-scoring game. We've got some great quarterbacks and offenses in the playoffs as well still. And so hopefully we'll have a chance to give away a lot of cash. And like you said, go to rocketmortgage.com, find out more about it. There is a lot of offense left in the playoffs.

A lot of offense. We're talking about maybe $2 million in total prizes given. Yeah, it's only going to go up. It's only going to go up. Go to rocketmortgagesquares.com. It's open until February 4th. Hey, legend, thank you so much for joining us. Hey, Pat, no, thanks for having me, man.

I enjoyed it. I appreciate it. Why don't you go give a little motivational speech to the Red Wings? NHL's starting this year. Maybe they should play a little bit, Barry. Stop on down there. I may just do that, man. I may just do that.

Watch the protocols, though. Ladies and gentlemen, Barry Sanders. Yay! Woo! I may just do that, man. I may just do that. Watch the protocols, though. Ladies and gentlemen, Barry Sanders. Yeah! Woo! Ladies and gentlemen, college football national champion and Super Bowl champion, A.J. Hall. Oh, my God! A.J., how's it going, pal?

Oh, no. Oh, no. So, I'm telling you, man, something's up. It just froze the second you came on. Oh, my God. This is classic. Tanking the goddamn show. Every single day.

Same shit, different day. Every day. God damn it. Takes the show, picks it up, throws it on the ground, stomps on it, scoots it away. Spits on it. And then blames off. Hey, you guys. This show stinks. And then he stops all that. Scoots it away. Spits on it. And then blames off. Hey, you guys. You guys.

This show stinks. You think I like it? I don't know when it frees up. But you guys just have these weird looks on your face when I'm in the middle of talking. I don't know what's going on. If it means anything, you and Rich Rodriguez have the same internet. It was happening to him as well. So two out of the three calls today have had a similar situation.

So we appreciate you battling through like you seem to do every fucking day. Yeah, sure. Whatever happens to anybody else. But, AJ, great to have you, pal. We really appreciate it. Talking to Barry Sanders, that guy. Now, granted, you never played against Barry Sanders. But all I see is highlights.

And I kind of feel bad. Because what he was saying, how only people see highlights. I have only seen highlights of that guy. I really is highlights. And I kind of feel bad because what he was saying, how only people see highlights of him. I have only seen highlights of that guy. I really don't. But that has to be, what, top of the list for toughest guy to tackle in the history of the NFL, Barry Sanders? Yeah, especially on that old-school Detroit turf. Can you imagine trying to stop?

Like, that dude could stop and start anywhere on the field. So, yeah, what year did he retire? 97. Yeah, so I remember watching him a little bit i think as a kid but yeah i've seen the highlights five million times yeah he's unbelievable he was really cool and then my college coach rich rodriguez was on he just took a gig you watch that i had i had to when i heard you had rich rod i went just right before this i watched it all it was amazing uh barry sanders retired in 99 there's a fact. I lied. I got it wrong right to his face.

Jesus. You were there, though. He didn't correct you either. Oh, he got 22, 23. Yeah, he did try to correct me, but he just thought I did the math wrong. Rich Rod, him going down to ULM, those kids in that locker room have no clue what's coming up. I mean, those kids, they went 0-10 last year, right? They probably just lose games just walking in that locker room.

Well, there's another one, boys. What are we doing tonight? That ain't going to happen. Just a little heads up. Just a couple years ago, Ole Miss Mississippi State Egg Bowl. I got to call it alongside Matt Hasselbeck, Adam Amin, and Molly McGrath. And the coaches were literally one glass

pane away, utilizing the same shelf that we had. So they were just on the other side and it was rich rod right like rich rod and i were less than two feet away for that entire game because i was in the corner and there was a window the the blinds were completely shut so i couldn't see in there but i could hear you know like and i i heard a couple of my ass like i i heard like a couple while i was calling the game i heard college happening through the other side. Kicker misses extra point, if you do recall, after wide receiver pisses on the field.

15-yard penalty. That's how they lose, okay? He misses that kick. I heard Coach Rod in there. I heard him. He was hitting the thing. I mean, it was – he hit the thing one time, and it rattled my phone. I saw it.

I was like, oh, shit. And I even told the guys. I'm like, yo, yo, something's going down right here. Then I heard him pick up his stuff and walk out, and his next stop was that locker room. So that kid's been pissed on the field. I don't know if he was very upset about losing, but he should have been. And if he wasn't, that was going to – Rich Rod's going to go into ULM,

and I don't know what their over-under is on wins next year. Let's go ahead and assume it's the over And then the next year after that Let's assume it's the over for that I'm pumped that he's back in the coaching I mean this guy This guy Good lord

What are we doing? We're doing the service I mean he thinks it's fun in games But it's not in the show We talked about hockey. We already tried to sabotage the show enough. We don't need him fucking doing it. What's he going to come back and talk about the NBA? I mean, this guy.

It's unbelievable. We'll talk to him about Andre Johnson talking about Cal McNair and Jack Easterby ruining the Texans. We'll talk about Chuck Pagano retiring. In Chuck Pagano's retirement, he basically said like, hey, he loves coaching, but it takes you away from your family a lot. So Chuck's going to do a little family time.

He is a coach, though. So let's – I mean, his wife is an incredible person. His family is awesome. I'll be excited to see one year from now, two years from now, if he doesn't get back into consulting or advising because coaches just kind of have that in their body. But he could go and do whatever he wanted and make a lot of money. I'm happy for him. Seven minutes into hour three here, we have Cole Beasley joining us in eight body. But he could go and do whatever he wanted and make a lot of money. I'm happy for him.

Seven minutes into hour three here, we have Cole Beasley joining us in eight minutes. Hopefully that tech, I assume Cole Beasley will have respect for the show. Yeah, way better. His internet will be fine. We'll see about AJ. It's a work day for the Buffalo Bills, right?

I mean, they are currently working. They have a game this weekend. Congrats to the Bills for that. We'll see if they have any respect for the show and have good internet up there. Yeah, it'll be interesting. It's probably 45 inches of snow, which is interesting because Lamar Jackson played at Louisville, has been at the Ravens now for numerous years.

He said in an interview yesterday that he's never played in snow. He doesn't know what that is. Is that real? Was he trolling? And this weekend could be the first weekend he plays in snow is that something we should take into account whenever we're betting i think it's something we should think about now i lamar's played in cold ass games okay and i think the cold affects you a lot more than the snow would unless it's really slick ball but that is

surprising to me especially after what three years of louisville or four years of louisville and then now at baltimore almost a decade of playing in two cities that do get cold as shit, and it does have snow. I mean, there was snow in Texas, I think, just the other day. That's surprising me. Should we think about it when we're betting that thing? Greg Roman said he's not worried about it. He'd be much worried about it if it was sheets of rain.

But, I mean, it's only supposed to be 40% chance with, like, up to an inch or two. It's not going to be like. Yeah, but Buffalo, dude. You never know. Yeah, that thing could come out there. You're talking every car on It's not going to be like. Yeah, but Buffalo, dude. You never know. Yeah. That thing could come out there. You're talking every car on there got the chains on the wheels. Yeah.

Them folks up there. We know Erie. Exactly. They are waiting for Frosty to come down. Numerous ones. Just everywhere. Those sons of bitches love it up there. I would think Snow would benefit.

What did Josh Allen play? Wyoming. Wyoming. Yeah. He loves it too. Snow's over there. I would think Snow would benefit. Or Josh Allen play. Wyoming. He loves it too. Snow's over there. What a perfect quarterback for Buffalo. It's going to help the Ravens. Cuts through the wind. You think it's going to help the Ravens? Then they won't pass the ball as much.

Josh Allen's hands. With the Bills, believe me, it benefits the Bills more than anything. But if the Ravens get away from the pass and we're just going to stick to the run because it's snowing, it's definitely going to be beneficial for them. It might help them help themselves. Yes. Because they kind of stay focused on that thing. Bills-Ravens is a massive game to look for this weekend.

I think it is the one. I mean, Bucks-Saints has kind of creeped in there. But Ravens-Bills, Ravens getting two points. Bills obviously favored by two at home. Lamar Jackson playing football like Lamar Jackson can play football. Josh Allen playing football better than we ever thought Josh Allen could play football. This game's going to be awesome. It's 8-15 game.

All right, let's go ahead and have a prime time matchup. I'm excited for these two to go at it. And Cole Beasley, a large part of it, he's a second-team All-Pro this year. Also a rapper formerly of the Dallas Cowboys. Big offseason news was he changed his number back to 11. Yeah, he made All-Pro. We'll talk to him in about 5, 10 minutes here. Let's get some phone calls, shall we?

Let's get to some. Let's go to Austin in Cleveland. What's going on, Austin? What? How much are you doing, Pat? Not too shabby, Austin. What do you want to talk about? I've been a Western Junior fan since about sixth grade when you were a freshman.

And I wanted to get your take on what you think that program would be at if Rich Rod would have never left Michigan. That's very interesting. Because I think that next year we would have been in real conversations for things. A lot of chips on the shoulder. You would have never had to get – probably wouldn't have went to the Big 12 if I had to guess. I would assume if he was in there, wouldn't have went to the Big 12.

We would have maybe went to the Big 10 or the ACC. If we had another year of winning, I assume we would have been able to get in there. I don't know. It's always a lot of looking back and wishing type thing. I could understand, though, him asking for 50 grand for his assistant coaches. Hey, we've done everything we can for you. And him just being like, fuck you. You could see how that would be a – I've got a program up here

that will spend $50,000 on a coffee if it tastes right. If it's going to win a game, we will do that. What's that tell you? Well, and it's tough to do that too, right? Because if you guys do win a national championship the year after, who's to say that he doesn't take the most high-profile job that's available after that? We win that 13-9 game against Pitt.

We win the national championship that year. What happens? Yeah. You know, like what happens? Because we would have been in. What happens then? I don't know. There's a lot of –

Hey, AJ, did you hear when Rich Rod said that – Hey, by the way, welcome back. Great to have you. Welcome back. Welcome back. Wow. It's so good. Oh, my God. And he still can't get it. Are you serious? And he still can't get it figured out.

Son of a bitch. I don't know what Connor's been saying. Someone is doing something. What I've been saying. Foxy, please zoom out a little bit. Oh, no. Don't do it. Watch it right now.

Hockey time. That's right! Woo! Did you get that out of your slow speed or what? You want to ruin my show? That's what I do to your fucking Buckeye Heroes box, pal. What's the deal? You should try it right-handed.

See if it's more powerful. Did you hear Rich Rod talking about how he wanted 50 grand for his assistant coach's salaries and it was turned down? Like, how is that even happening? How is that something that was happening with where we were going? And now that I'm 33 in 2021, I think I finally fully understood why he decided to leave with the team that we had because I think he would have still got big jobs if we went.

That's wild to think about, isn't it? Especially to think 50 grand spread out over what? 15 coaches? Like how many people are getting a piece of that? I have no idea. But think about like Ohio State. If Urban Meyer or Ryan Day would go and be like, hey, there's this coach who's about to get plucked.

We get 50 grand for that one coach. Ohio State would be like, yep, yep. Excuse me. We just go ahead and throw that in the bank account. That's the difference. I would assume that's why you make that decision. Anyways, we have to pivot back to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who was once a Dallas Cowboy

and now he's a Buffalo Bill. Second team All-Pro. Changes number back to 11 this past offseason. A massive piece to the Buffalo Bill success story. Has a massive game this weekend in primetime. Ladies and gentlemen, Buffalo Bills wide receiver, Cole Beasley.

Thanks for having me, guys. Cole, I thank you for having good internet and respecting the show. I don't know where you're doing this interview from, but I appreciate you having respect for our show. Unlike the white that's next to you on the screen on the other side, AJ Hawk.

It's the Buffalo Bills in the next. So you're doing a good job. Where are you at? Are you in the locker room right now? Are you in the practice? Yeah, I'm actually in the indoor right now. I just finished practice. So this is the media room right here.

Is somebody taking BP on the other side of this thing? What the hell is going on over there, Cole? There's all kinds of stuff. This guy's working, man. I mean, Jesus. It really sounds like there's some stuff going on over there, Cole. That's the jugs machine sounding like that. Oh, getting that work.

Hey, I like that. We like that. Okay, let's talk about the Sean McDermott culture that you guys have up there. Buffalo Bills organization has been very patient with it. Tyrod Taylor gets to the playoffs, says, hey, we appreciate what you've done. We're going to move a different direction. He drafted Josh Allen. His first year, not so great, but they stay patient with it.

We talked to General Manager Brandon Bean before the season. We said, hey, was there any thought of a different quarterback or anything like that? He said, no, we're going all in on Josh Allen. This culture that you guys have built up there, what have you noticed? Congrats on all the success in the All-Pro, but what is it about that building you think that is going to be sustained success for the people of Buffalo for some time to come? That's really the biggest thing about this place

and what makes it so special is the people and the family environment that McDermott set when we got here. You know, the first thing we did as new players when we got here, he gave us a chance to kind of get up at the front of the room, pictures up of our family and kind of talk about what's important to us. So, you know, each guy could kind of get a connection with the new guys and just learn a little about everybody. I mean, he understands that when you create that bond and that relationship, you have people

that you care about next to you and it makes you want to play so much harder for them. It's hard to find that. How is he able to balance, I guess, trying to not be a dictator but then also letting you guys be individuals? How is he able to hold you guys accountable? It's a tough balance that all coaches can't seem to find. Staying consistent and, you know, discipline is something we talk about all the time.

You know, it's important to still be able to come to work and get things done, but also have fun at the same time. You know, we're playing a game that if you're not having fun playing it, it's hard to be good at it, in my opinion. So, you know, the wide-out room, you know, we get our work done, but we have a good time all the time. I love spending time with the guys, and, you know, that love that you have for each other translates to the field.

You guys got some WD-40 over there? Jogs machine's getting a lot of work this year. That's good news. That's good news. The boys are back. Hey, you change your number to 11. You become second team all pro. What took so long?

What are we doing? Let's go. I know, man. Well, the problem is other people vote for it. If I were voting, I would have made it a long time ago. I don't know, I just haven't had the numbers for any accolades like that. That's kind of more what it's about.

I mean, there's guys that don't have the numbers as other guys, but we know who the good players are, but the population really doesn't, you know what I mean, unless they have those kind of gaudy stats a little bit. That's something that I really lack from my career because of the position I've been in and the type of offenses that I've been in. Just coming here and having opportunities and J-Ball letting me do what I do well has been the biggest thing.

Well, Cole, we appreciate you. We know it's a work day. Good luck this weekend. Congrats on the All-Pro. We can't wait to watch you continue to dominate, pal. I appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Cole Beasley.

Come on, Cole. Keep singing, baby. Keep singing. I'll tell you what. One of the most just absolute, just distracting sounds I've ever heard in my entire history of conversations ever. Were they shooting skeet in there? What the hell are they doing in there?

I feel like we probably could have had a pretty good conversation. In the background, it sounded like a guy had a bat and was just hitting a metal wall. What is going on? I like that they're getting it working, but could we have moved the guy to a press conference for a second? Breaking news. Pretty big breaking news. Yeah, they need WD-40 to find

a drugs machine in Buffalo. The Rockets have traded James Harden to the Nets in exchange for Kyrie Irving, Joe Harris, DeAndre Jordan, Brooklyn's 2021 first round pick. Steve Nash in the nets were just like, hey, listen, this guy's doing Zoom calls 10 minutes

before our games are kicking off that he's not playing in strictly because he doesn't want to. Let's go ahead and get him. Is James Harden out there? Is he playing? He looks like he's about 230. Steve Nash is like, fuck, I can get him into shape. You ever see my Instagram commercials?

I'm in pants. We can get James Harden ready to go. So now we got James and Kevin Durant back together in Brooklyn. They got Kyrie Irving, which Stephen A. Smith was calling for him to retire because he didn't like football, amongst other things. James Harden about to shave up the beard. Oh, no. What's that?

Oh, he got got. Oh, he got got. He got got. Oh, shit. to shave up the beard oh no what's that We gotta get to a goddamn break. Can't happen. Can't win with it. Everything I just said was wrong. It would have been cool if it was right. It would have been cool, wouldn't it? Diggs just got a darn Schefter.

It was at Ultra Weed Hater. Oh, man. He got a cock in his arm. He got a cock in his arm. He got a cock in his arm. What was the dude on my timeline? Brown McCockner's just jujuing on you. Oh, you got to get to a break, dude.

Damn. You take these next four minutes and really fucking look deep inside yourself. This is an internet show. I'm going to take a lap. More than that? Man. Back to the other side with some real news. You stopped the conversation.

Yeah. You didn't check the screen name? Is that the real screen name? I checked the screen name. So sorry to interrupt, but I want to let you know, I think we all have a better grasp that life is fragile. Yes, it is. You know?

We have no idea what's coming down the road tomorrow, maybe minutes from now, hours from now, days from now, weeks from now. We have no clue because that is the world that we live in. Uncertainty is at an all-time high, right? Yeah, well said. On that note, it makes sense why people get life insurance, especially term coverage, which is surprisingly affordable. Why not pay a bit each month to protect the ones you love?

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more as you age, now's the time to cross it off your list. That makes sense. I've never thought of it that way. You store some money now for future generations and for your life going forward. It's a smart decision. I've had two different life insurance put on me already. Really? One in the NFL. You have one in the now post-NFL. life going forward it's a smart decision i've had two different life insurance put on me already really one the nfl you have one the now post nfl i mean it's it's something to think about the future of the world it's not a fun thing to talk about to be honest

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i relayed information to matt pat m McAfee that was not correct. I, during the show, scroll the Twitter, and I look for breaking news. And I get excited when there's breaking news. And I normally do double check. Let them know, Diggs. But in this case, on this day, January 13, 2021, I was got by WeedKiller69. That's right. He reported a trade as a fake Adrian Wojnowski.

The cunt? Yeah, he did. That James Harden had been traded to the New York Brooklyn Nets. That's right. That was a fake report. Oh, dang. Here at this show, we do pride ourselves on getting things correct. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Especially shit like this in the basketball world. And reporting the facts, not just being first yeah because because as a reporter it's more important to be true than to be first i forgot that today yeah i vow to you that i i will never forget that again okay i will double check there wasn't even a there wasn't even a check mark next to this account not even even close. Not even a seven emoji. Not even a lot of retweets either. No. Wasn't even really his best one.

No, not at all. We talked during the break and feel like it's been decided that the COVID cowboy is probably going to have to hang up his spurs today. Really? Oh, Tony. He's going to have to put his hat on the wall. Oh, no. Tony.

Just be a normal piece of shit digs for the rest of 2021. All right. Thank you. I apologize, and I hope we can get past this moving into the future. Yeah, absolutely. Way to own that. Good job, Tony. Hey, way to go.

I mean, you definitely misled people, misguided people, got got, but the accountability is something that nobody else would do except for you, Dix. That's right. What a hero, bro. Good job. And you have changed your hat. That's all you did was just change your hat? Well, the cowboy's dead.

Oh, okay. You don't deserve that cowboy hat. Oh! Holy shit. He's right. I wish I could argue.'t deserve that cowboy hat. Oh! Holy shit. He's right. I wish I could argue. Cowboy hat did lead to the Steelers being one and done. You getting got on the internet is awesome, man.

Yeah. That's one of the real thrills of the internet. It really is. Great moment. That's the moment on the internet that we all share whenever somebody gets got and it's like, gotcha. Did you see how excited he was when he when he thought he had oh man by the way you can uh waiting to pitch back to you i thought you're gonna break out the bat is aj still one aj do you hear that apology and do you believe it and are you sold on it and you

forgive him i watched the whole thing uncomfortably it felt like uh it felt like a Garth Brooks documentary. I'm Chris Gaines now. Tom Gaines. Chris Gaines had a hell of a run. Almost won a Grammy, I think. I don't even know where to go from there. There's a couple things. Andre Johnson.

Do you see this? Andre Johnson came out and said, like, hey, the Texans stink with Easterby in there. I don't know if you ever got a chance to meet Andre Johnson. I had a chance to be teammates with him. This is not like Andre Johnson's kind of way of doing things. Andre Johnson's not doing this just to get some shine or get talked about today by us and everybody. This feels like something that could probably swing the hammer a little bit harder for old Deshaun Watson,

especially with everybody else, DJ Reader, DeAndre Hopkins,kins arian foster everybody's been like that place thanks dude so this is a wild time to be a texans fan i'd assume you learn a lot about your franchise that you didn't previously know yeah and doesn't andre johnson like technically have some kind of consulting role with the texans right now too i would assume he potentially got pushed out maybe whenever he used to be came maybe he's not getting listened to or something like that. But you're right. He does have some association with the Texans. The fact that it's Andre Johnson doing this and you go back and his last real tweet was two years ago or something.

It's all ad stuff. It's not even him. And then all of a sudden he feels like, hey, I need to come out and I want to say this. That's the biggest news about it. Do you think his people said, do you want to do it on a show? Do you want to do an interview? I think he just decided to do it. I think he was said like do you want to do it on a show do you want to do you want to do an interview i don't think i think he just decided to do it i think he was at home

and did it himself he's like i'm sick of it that's what it seems like when you have only promotional tweets for the last couple years and then all of a sudden this pops up like i don't think he i doubt he would run this by somebody that's very interesting to me because he was awesome as a and everybody respects him i think in the nfl you know he's one of those guys that like when he says something everybody's like all right here we go let's ride with it the texans are gonna have to clean up aisles one through ten for a long time free agency is probably gonna be tough for them for a while if i had to guess just like in jacksonville 25 of all the complaints that the nflpa heard from

was from the jacksonville Jaguars. And that piece of information got out. And then people were wondering why they weren't spending money or getting money. It's like, well, the agents don't. Nobody wants to fucking go there because of that. Now with a new, obviously, a whole new organization, basically, with new GM and head coach, I assume that'll change. But the Texans are going to have to answer some questions for a long time, I'd assume. And if they do end up trading Deshaun Watson and he goes to Miami in exchange for Tua,

I think that's the only positive outcome for Tua and the Dolphins too now that there's a potential bullshit alleged anonymous source conversation happening about Tua stinking, basically, in the rest of the locker room. That's a wild time to be alive as well down there. Quarterback situations are very wild right now. Yeah, I'd say that. And you might, like, we may be seeing the very beginnings of something like that happening, the Deshaun Tua situation, just because, like, when you look around,

like, what would be the best-case scenario for both these guys? Well, Tua seems to be there's a little bit of murmurs and anonymous sources, which is garbage sometimes, but still, like, I still have to take something into it. I don't think whoever reported it just made it up. But, yeah, Deshaun, it seems like I don't know how you fix what's going on right now in Houston. So, good luck whoever becomes the head coach there. It's going to be fun.

Casario might be like, well, since the way this whole thing has turned out, if I'm reading Twitter right, unlike Tom Diggs from the Pat Mags, if I'm reading Twitter right, it sure sounds like it's going to be tough for us to get a franchise quarterback in here. So, if they're just going to give us Tua, I mean, Tua doesn't have any other option. He has to come here. Yeah, let's do that until this kind of all settles down. It's still wild to me to think that you're going to trade one of the best players in the NFL, though.

That is a tough decision, and I guess that's what you get paid the big money to do. But that's a big-time move. No J.J. Watt, no Deshaun Watson next year. Houston Texans would be a much different organization. Yeah, I mean, that just seems, of all the jobs available, that seems like one with the biggest uphill battle from the beginning. A lot of conversations in the studio today about which head coaching job would be the best.

That Chargers one seems to be the spot. Now, granted, Jacksonville is also good. No state tax. You've got an owner who's going to have his hands on everything. Let's take him through the game plan, but I think he will provide whatever you need to potentially win. I think he will shell out money and everything

like that. So with Trevor Lawrence on deck, that's a good spot as well. Philadelphia, not a great looking spot. I don't know if you want to go in there and clean that whole thing up. Houston, not that fantastic. But you go to the Chargers organization. You're like, okay, got a quarterback, got good defense. The Spanos family, I don't know how all in they are,

but this team could be absolutely legendary out here if somebody can make it. That has to be an appealing job, I would assume, for somebody. Who's going to get that gig, I wonder? I mean, I think – don't you think the Chargers know, too? Like, hey, this is one of the better jobs available this year with the roster we have. You're in L.A. Like, yeah, things seem to be set up nice if you want to come in

and be that head coach. So they know. So I don't know. I wonder, like, it would be hard if you're trying to hire the new head coach because you're just waiting for those dominoes to start to fall and guys start getting hired, and you don't want the guy that you are targeting to get hired. Do you know who General George Patton is that just got hired by the broncos

i do not know him personally no i don't know any of these motherfuckers no i don't know anybody that's getting these jams i don't know any of these dudes i don't have a clue why would you why would you know like like the inner workings of front offices around the league you know the gm sometimes that's about it it's breaking news though whenever gms get hired and it's always like i read it and i go oh he's it's a big job i mean you're you're the you're the mastermind behind a billion couple billion dollar franchise it's crazy though that they kind of just hand those jobs out to you know yeah yeah some bums sometimes even some of the coaches i just heard arty smith like last week and he's one of the front runners. Well, see, that is on you. You know? That is on you.

Arthur Smith's name has been cooking all year because of what Tannehill's been able to do. Well, I've had my eyes on Dan Campbell. That's on me. I wasn't expecting Smith to get a head coaching job. Did you play alongside Dan Campbell, the linebacker, fullback, whatever, special teamer? He got an interim head coaching gig down there in Miami. First day on the job, had everybody do Oklahoma drills. Then he won a couple games. Now he's the assistant

head coach for Sean Payton. Somehow, and he is going to, because of their connection to the Cowboys whenever he played there, Sean Payton was an assistant coach there or something like that. That's a guy who's going to probably get a head coaching gig at some point. And I'll tell you what, I'm not sure his players are going to love playing for that guy.

I don't know. You don't think Oklahoma drills at 9 o'clock in the morning aren't going to go over well? I mean, Sean Payton's probably pretty well liked by his players, so maybe he learned some things. But whenever the media was hyping him up, whenever he was doing that, I do remember a lot of people going like, fuck that guy. Yeah, that's every player it felt like. But with a guy like that, though, if you know he's not doing it just to do it and you understand

what he's trying to do and the culture he's trying to build, then eventually that can become an awesome place. It can become a great thing. Dan Campbell played. He doesn't want to just kill his guys all day long. That's literally what he did, though. He toughened them up, man. They weren't tough enough. Oh, yeah, yeah, toughen them up.

That's the way to do it. Worked for the Steelers, remember? They went full pads like late in the year to get back on track. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. Picked up a third one. I forgot about that. They did, and then they ran the year to get back on track. Oh, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that. Picked up a third one. I forgot about that. Yeah.

They did, and then they ran the same exact play two quarters later, and they did not get it. Next drive. How about the Steelers? Two minutes. It was the next drive. It's the next drive. How about Chase Claypool and everybody still?

They don't care. Like, they're not backing off talking about the Browns. What do you say? They're going to get slapped next week? Yeah, but there was an entire lead up there where I guess Chase did an entire film study with his followers there, and he talked about all the things he did wrong and how you know what i mean it was like that was the tail end of that whole thing because my problem with looking at and we haven't talked about it by the way on this show i mean we mentioned it to jarvis

kind of in a nonchalant way but we haven't talked about that strictly because when i watched the video the thing i was upset about was how he delivered the line like i wish he would have the way he kind of like, well, they're going to get smacked next week. It was kind of like, like didn't deliver it with like any, like, you know,

like a moxie. Like there was no, like there was no delivery. And so that was like kind of, but then wherever you see the entire thing, it is granted. He said it now let's not get crazy. But the,

the actual video itself is just kind of like, I don't know if it's that big of a storyline, really. It's in the water, AJ. They can't help themselves. Once you get into that city and you start drinking the water, it's just something that happens. Oh, you start shit-talking to bronze?

Yeah. Talking about the Juju Smith seltzer. Well, he's getting out of town. By the way, Juju came out and said he wants to play in a major market to build his brand. Allegedly, these are leaks coming. He would like to go to a major market to build his brand. Everybody's saying, well, the Jets because he knows Darnold.

But I would assume he wouldn't mind getting back to Los Angeles as well. I don't know how much cap space there is. Who knows on the Juju watch. But I do know TikTok will be waiting with bated breath. Oh, yeah. There's a few TikTok houses that want to actually bring him in. So I don't even know if he's looking at NFL teams. The TikTok houses might be going to the Rams and say, hey, we'll actually pay for this.

We'll split this 50-50. Down the middle. Go ahead and do this thing. You know what I mean, AJ? Does anyone want Juju back in Pittsburgh? Nah. I would go out on a limb and say the fans do not. There are a huge segment of younger fans that aren't real Steelers fans.

They have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Foxy. That are very, very soft human beings that do want him back. Foxy would be a part of that. Foxy would be a part of that. Let Juju dance, baby. Foxy would be a part of that.

Jaguars are waiting on decision from Urban Meyer. Allegedly, the Chargers are also interested in Urban Meyer. Another situation we just talked about being a great one. Quarterback established already going to be a baller for however many years he wants to be. Defense is good. New stadium. You're in Los Angeles.

Urban Meyer's allegedly talking to the Chargers as well about their position. He's already been on Chad Khan's boat a couple times down there in Jacksonville. And they are allegedly just waiting on his decision here. Urban Meyer's just doing whatever the fuck he wants. Urban Meyer's doing exactly what he did with college football for those years whenever he left and then came back. Now he's doing it to the NFL, and he'll be able to do this forever if he wants, by the way.

He's in a great spot. Go out there on Fox, be on the pregame show for a couple years, and every time an opening comes available, hey, your name is thrown out there, and your price continues to go up and up. So, yeah, it's a pretty nice little coaching situation. Like John Gruden was in that role a little bit, I guess. You could say Cowher's been there forever.

He just won't go back. Yeah, you've got to earn that, by the way. I'm not saying that you just kind of get handed that. He had a lot of success in a lot of places. But, yeah, you get out of coaching because of a couple health issues, go on TV, talk shit on Pat McAfee, go back to your show. It has less ratings than the show that he was on and then then just kind of break down football footage which is awesome by the way watching him talk about games and things like i do see some clips of that show

it is awesome listening to him talk he's had a lot of success i'll be intrigued to see what he does will it work and you know him and you have yet to give us a real answer you think urban meyer will work in the nfl yeah i think he could definitely work in the nfl but i only think he's gonna go if he gets everything like that he wants if he has he feels like he can control the roster a little bit he can bring in all the people he wants to bring in like that that's probably what they're trying to work out now shod's out on his on his boat he's like that have you earned enough money to have a boat like this why do you want to make every fucking decision with my company? Yeah.

You know what I mean? That would be tough to do. If you're an owner, that would be tough to do. But like Shad Khan's an owner that made his money. He bootstrapped it and built his whole business up, and then he bought a team. So don't you think they would be like, hey, I'm going to hire the best I can,

and I'm going to let the experts do their thing? Maybe. Yeah, maybe. You would think. Yeah. It's also fun You would think. Yeah. It's also fun picking guys. Yeah. Fantasy football is a good time.

Yeah, you got your own team. Real life. We're going to put a couple pools in here, by the way, if I can turn this place up. Come on, that guy. Take the team over to London a couple times a year. Yeah, we'll do whatever we want. Hop on a plane.

Go ahead, boys. It'd be tough not to do that, wouldn't it? If you had your own fantasy football team, what is real life? Yeah, I guess it would be tough. And what's your own money, though, that you realize when you're losing games every year? You're still making money, though. Yeah, don't matter.

Cincinnati Bengals are making money. Make a lot more if you win, though. A lot more. And I think that is something that isn't discussed enough with these goddamn owners. Hey, listen, if your team didn't suck, you'd make even more money. Hey, I know Brown family over there in Cincy,

you guys love that check that comes in for doing next to nothing, not having a lot of success and everything like that. Just imagine what those checks could be if you guys, you know, especially now that you have a quarterback, maybe, you know, triple them, go ahead and put them in there. Let's go ahead and make some real money here, huh? I know you guys are wealthy and all that generational wealth, and your kids are going to be taken care of forever,

and your grandkids are going to be taken care of forever. And you know the city of Cincinnati is a diehard football fan base, but you don't really want to give them a lot of success. Why not just give them success, be some heroes, and also make, guess what, more money for your grandkids? Come on! Let's go ahead and do it! Yeah, well, the Brown family, their grandkids, they're all involved.

So, yeah, they want to do it and continue to set up the next generation. Uh-oh. Yeah, I love that. I won't say anything. The Colts have obviously invested a lot of money in coaching staff and scouting department everything like that when aj foit former race car driver became a scout i i laughed very hard that really happened yeah yeah he came out he was part of the family business there for like one off season i think or one season it was awesome

he married uh ursie's middle daughter i believe and, and then son of A.J. Foyt, the legendary IndyCar driver. A.J. Foyt, also a race car driver. Cool dude, by the way. Very, very cool dude. He, I guess, whenever they got married, I don't know if he was asked to do it or if he had an interest in doing it or whatever, but him coming out on a sideline with a thing, and I had known him previously to him becoming this from, you know, potential good times around town. It was always awesome. AJ, we fucking win him because of your brain today or what?

It was always, he was a super cool guy. He, they have shifted by the way, what they do for the business. They still work with the business, but I could see if you were a bangle and the team wasn't investing in like, you know, trying to get the best people. And you saw like the family members would start coming around, taking notes and start dragging people. You'd be like you know trying to get the best people and you saw like the family members just start coming around taking notes and start dragging people you'd be like all right get me the fuck out of here pal if anybody knows speed it was that guy aj you know he he could probably judge some things that you know you wouldn't show up in a practice

field like the heel like he's good he was good time he was good dude good time everything like that so i don't know if, good time, everything like that. So I don't know if they have him scouting like that now, but him out of practice was awesome. It was always awesome. Let's go to Mike in Los Angeles. What's going on, Mike? Hey, what's going on, guys?

Hey, just hanging out, dude. How's the traffic over there? Anybody out on the roads in Los Angeles, or are you guys kind of all shut down right now? You know what? I've been shut down for the last, like, 14 days. I've had COVID. Today's my last day of quarantine, boys. Hey, congrats.

Congrats. You did it. Now watch yourself because I do believe one of the side effects that is not talked about is you will get God on the internet. Foggy brain. You know what? That was some people. I texted a few of my boys when I heard the news, and

I appreciate the apology. It really does mean a lot. But you really do me today, man. You really do me today. You don't know how many people you've fucked over. Today feels like the day that I realized I couldn't help everyone in fantasy football anymore. It kind of feels like that, like that type of sadness.

You're a hero, dude. Mike, you're a real hero, dude. Listen, boys, I just want to talk about the future. You know, the offseason's coming up this weekend. I know we have a few football games going on, but we have a big year in the UFC, and it seems like your relationship

with Ariel has really grown on the internet. That guy stinks. I know he's kind of a tool. I know he's kind of a tool. I know he's kind of a spidge. Kind of. But I'm just thinking if you guys have any plans of getting together, maybe linking up on a few Saturdays and talking about the game

or talking about the fights, talking about what's going to be going on, maybe during the offseason. I know Ariel's got a lot of time on his hands. He does. He does. He has been doing this all year. Maybe he wants to get some spotlight on your show and talk about the fights that are going on. Thank you, Mike. He does. ESPN News is the only S-Herd man. Maybe he wants to get some spotlight on your show and talk about the fights that are going on.

Thank you, Mike. Appreciate that. You don't want me talking about fights, dude. I don't know. I'll watch them, but I don't know what the hell's going on out there. I don't know. We might need to get you evaluating boxers going forward now due to the Oculus. Oh, that's true.

AJ. You know fights, man. Hey, the guy that knocked me out, by the way, two nights ago. You know what I did last night, by the way? I do. As soon as I got home, fucking strapped in. Hey, bud, I've been thinking about you all day. It was awesome.

My wife's back there. How's it going? I'm not. He won't fucking go down. He won't go down. He won't fucking go down. In between rounds, the first time in a long time where I was full, and the Oculus knew it.

But I played much more defensive. Ooh. Yeah. I don't forget. A little bit more defensive. My counterpunch is good with my left hand. Right hand counter is not there yet. You know what I mean?

I need to figure that out. I am going back through the Oculus as a southpaw, though. Okay. Learn both ways. Mostly because whenever you get very tired in these, I've learned switching, it helps a lot for the arm. It helps the arm. There was a couple times when I was going through the highest level. It's called outclass, and it actually says unrealistic and unfair is what it says.

That's the highest one. I steamroll through the competition in the lowest four or whatever. Then I get to the outclass one, and I'm doing all my same moves, and these dudes are just eating it. Then they're bringing things back. And all of a sudden your arms get very tired at that point, even though you're only holding Oculus. I got a lot of people tweeting me that I should hold weights in my fucking hands. It's like,

the Oculus controller is enough. So I've been switching mid-fights though to go like southpaw to rest my muscles or whatever. Confusing. Yeah, but I couldn't land. Anytime I'd hit him it was like I was punching in a dream. You know what I mean? It was really nothing.

So now I'm going back up and through the thing as a southpaw so that when I get winded in future Oculus fights. By the way, same fighters coming from the other side. That's right. Does anybody do that in actual boxing? I think so, yeah. That should be a move. Very, very common to switch stances.

That Gaethje guy. Can't the Gaethje guy do that, man, sir? Yeah, yeah. Justin Gaethje. MMA.'t the Gaethje guy do that, man, sir? Yeah, yeah. Justin Gaethje? MMA. What do MMA guys do? They go back and forth. But boxers,

do boxers do it? Rocky did. He had to for the second fight. Second fight with Apollo. Dude's got a fucking statue. Apollo didn't know how to fucking hit him. More often in MMA,

to AJ's point, you switch dances, especially if your lead leg is taking some damage, you'll switch dances just to protect your legs. But in boxing, does it happen in boxing? Because I'm starting to feel pretty good about my boxing

self-pause. Not as much. By the way, got to hold the phone, dude. Got to hold the phone, bro. Bring it right back. Boom! Pow! Pow! Pow! Jab! Cross, bitch! Wow! Is it a good workout for you? Oh, yeah. I actually have some friends who are in great shape that are playing

that are saying they are dying playing this game. By the way, it's only like, I don't know, the three-minute rounds. There's a five-round fight that you get to at the end. There's four-round fight. I've never made it to the fifth round. I've knocked everybody out before then, obviously. But whenever you're 10, 11 minutes into that fight, I mean, your whole body is just – it is very tired.

It's a very quick workout. And I feel like I am getting good. I don't want to get punched in the real face. But Oculus Boxing is something I will continue to do, I think. I'm getting closer and closer to getting it, man. I don't care. Seriously. I mean, your internet is not going to be able to handle it anyway.

Oh, my God. Oh, your internet, by the way. Listen, with that ping pong game, I played somebody last night. Uh-oh. Did not have a good connection. Oh, clutching the whole time. They would throw that ball up. It would disappear.

You would see their hand swing. And then all of a sudden, the ball is halfway on my side already, and I've got to get it back. Magic, man. It was tough. They had AJ's internet or whatever. Yeah, he can't handle that. Huh?

It's your internet, probably. No. How do I play with 10 other people a night and it's not a problem? That's the same question we ask you with this show. We interview, what, 15 to 20 people a week, and it seems like nobody else other than you and Rich Rodriguez have problems. What is the deal, AJ? It's good.

I'm in good company. I'll take it. He's going to turn ULM around. Yeah. How did he not get the Marshall job? Marshall fired Doc Holliday for whatever he – Did he really? I didn't know that.

Yeah, I thought they had success last year. For whatever reason, they fired him. Doc Holliday was once a coach at West Virginia and a Florida recruiting coordinator. Gets guys in there. I think they won a lot of games this past season. They had a freshman quarterback who seemed to be good. Probably on the up-and-ups, they fired him.

Rich Rodriguez is sitting there in West Virginia. It's like – I don't know if he would go by the way maybe he wouldn't go isn't he the the oc at louisiana monroe yeah okay and the head coach is terry bowden yeah friend of his man they may put up 800 points a game yeah and his kid ret is going to be the quarterback and ret knows the offense inside and out He's literally been learning it since he was like eight years old. So, I mean, that team could. I don't know what the over-under is, but we need to hammer the over. Rhett Rod really sounds like the guy. Marshall was seven and three.

What's that? What'd you say? Marshall was seven and three this year. Fire Doc. This is like the Lions firing fucking Jim Caldwell. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, you're good, but we wouldn't be better. Let's go to Hayden and hershey what's going on hayden nope actually luke in pennsylvania what's going on luke the thing just jumped see you luke luke i'm your father luke that stinks i heard some noise too yeah i know

he's there somewhere did he just ice up did Did he freeze up? Oh, he might have. Luke, I want to let you know, although there is probably a lot of people listening and watching, and they shouldn't be. We agree. Don't even. You're just talking to us. Okay? This isn't that big of a deal.

Just go ahead and let it out, Luke. Go ahead and just pull the trigger. Don't be scared. Let it fly, pal. You know what I mean? Let it fly. All right, Luke. Come on, Luke.

All right. See you later, Luke. I have. Bad connection. Can't hang up on Luke. We are stuck with Luke. All right. This thing has broken over here. Come through, Luke. Luke, we need you, bub, because I cannot hang up on you. This thing has completely... We can manual override the other one. Mitt needs you to hang up on Luke.

Mitt, let's go to Hayden and Hershey. Hayden and Hershey, what's going on? Mitt. Hey, Pat. How you doing, man? Not too shabby, Hayden. Great work back there, Mitt, by the way. Hey, Mitt.

What do you want to talk about, Hayden? Hey, I'm a cybersecurity student at Penn State, and I just got denied for a DraftKings internship, which stinks. But, you know, I applied at Spandu and the Indianapolis Colts. I'm an Indy native. I sent my resume over to Phil as well, and you being someone who brought themselves up in the sports entertainment world, I was wondering if you had any advice for college students trying to get on this scene.

Great question, Hayden. Appreciate that. Get rid of him, Mitt. Hang on, Mitt. Got him. Good job, Mitt. Hayden, you there? Yeah, I'm there. Yeah Hang on, Mitt. Got him. Good job, Mitt. Hey, you there? Yeah, I'm there.

Yeah. Oh, Mitt, one job. One job, Mitt. Mitt, hit the X. Mitt, hang up on the fucking phone, dude. I think he hacked the phone. This guy hacked the goddamn phone. Jeez.

Cyber security. We hung up on him. There it is. He hung up on him. Yeah, he probably did. He said, I've done enough. What is he, a cybersecurity guy? What does that even mean?

Look out. What would we hire him for? Working for SimpliSafe. Well, we'd hire him to make sure our streams stay up and maybe make sure nobody else, like AJ's stream, comes into ours. Is that guy coding? Is he a coder? Sounds like it.

That's right, yeah. Black hat. It's the future. You can intern as a... What's that? He was calling you to deliver like a virus. That's all he needed can intern as a what's that he was he was calling you to deliver like a virus that's all he oh no my computer's an estrogen horse by the way my computer did yeah before the show was completely fine he's already got to mine i'm telling you something's going on fucking hayden and her she went to penn state too probably hates ohio state

being an ohio state legend founding first target the. Not getting to work at DraftKings as an intern and then applying for FanDuel as a coder. If you're a coder, I don't think you're ever an intern. You're pretty much in charge, right, if you're the one coding things? I mean, I think so. You're in it. The coders are normally the ones. I think I learned the ropes first, though, right?

The coders? Yeah. Who do they learn from, the actual coders? Yeah, they probably get the same kind of code, right? Yeah, but whenever I watch these documentaries or these things about these people that hack into things, they're like Hayden and Hershey just sitting in their house. Prodigies. Oh, I'm smarter than you.

Let me go ahead and block out. E-R-T-Y-U-K-L-G-H-F-D-A. Your life is over. The system's down. I don't know how any of that works. System failure. Hey, Hayden, good thing for you, bud, is there's going down. I don't know how any of that works. System failure. Hey, Hayden, good thing for you, bud, is there's going to be a lot of money in the world that you're getting into forever.

So to get your foot in the door, whoever let you in, man, just go in there and work hard, dude. Just go in there and put your nose down and just go to work, pal. Ain't that right, AJ? Yeah, that's right. I wanted to go back to the Cole Beasley conversation quickly with the jugs machine going off the whole time and then you just standing up, catching balls, catching balls behind you.

I was trying not to look at your side of the screen, but I was trying to study Cole's face and see if he can see you and get distracted by you just farting around the studio catching footballs the whole time. He's trying to give you legit answers. Well, we were trying to make the jugs machine sound real. You know what I mean? Because maybe the jugs machine was in our studio.

Now, granted, Connor was throwing it when the jugs machine wasn't shooting. So, like, you know what? We had set that up. When Cole goes to full screen, ball gets tossed off desk to Connor. We're all on the same page here. Connor, then as soon as we go to a third, I'm looking at Cole, and a ball is flying at me. I'm like, whoa, whoa, the jugs machine didn't go off. It will.

And by the way, as I caught it, I was like, all right, we're a little bit off the meet. Go ahead and throw it back. Yet again, by the way, we did not wait for that jugs machine. We had our own jugs machine that was silent. It's funny. I didn't even know that we were supposed to wait for the jugs machine to go off on there. First time you threw the ball without him even looking.

Yeah, because I was waiting for the jugs machine. I thought you had to be ready at all times as you drill, right? Gee, I mean, you turned around. Now, is that this? That was disrespectful to the show, just like your internet is. I mean, so Cole, I mean, kind of disrespectful. Not Cole, by the way. It's not him making that decision to sit down right next to the loudest thing

I've ever heard in my entire life. You would think they have, like, another room they could take people in so that you're not. Josh called us from the indoor facility. He did, but his at least was not sitting right on top of a jug. Have you ever heard a jugs machine be that loud? I've never heard that much noise coming out of a jugs machine. It sounded like a jugs machine. From the first one, I figured, oh, yeah.

And then he said, we just got off the field from practice, so, yeah, my guys are catching balls. jugs machine no it sounded like a jugs machine from the first one i i figured like oh yeah and then he said we just got off the field from practice so yeah my guys are catching balls you don't think that was too medley for a jugs machine oh you guys don't use torto you probably don't use wd-40 over there in green bay either jesus christ i don't know what kind of fancy jugs machines you are using that don't make any noise but yeah that was no they always make noises but that sounded literally like somebody was banging metal like it was a steel mill right behind the fucking, right on the microphone, basically. Maybe they probably have it turned up a lot. It's throwing balls a lot harder than the ones you're used to.

Nah. Josh does have a lot of velocity. He does. I agree. By the way, you saw those hands. It was nice to have them back. No drops. None.

I had one in my career. But I joked a guy and got the punt off. But it didn't count because we had guys down the field, so I had to come back. In the next punt, I almost broke my leg from Brian Brauman, one of the best special teams players of all time. What a prick.

He is a very mean guy. Yeah, I bet. Freak athlete, though. Very handsome. Respectfully. Pretty funny as well. very mean guy Yeah I bet Freak athlete though Very handsome Respectfully Pretty funny as well But mean guy Can't thank you enough For choosing to listen To this show

I know there's a lot Of other options Of things that you Could listen to The fact that you Allow us to do so On such a regular basis Every single goddamn weekday

We appreciate the hell out of you Absolutely Hashtag end of pod squad If you made it here You deserve to win something Mm-hmm Ty's already handing out the money Maybe we'll start another fund up

Okay Okay Yeah, sure Yeah, maybe We'll see Tomorrow We'll think about it We'll think about it

Yeah Tomorrow Keep your eyes peeled Tomorrow or Friday We'll make an announcement Okay Sounds good Anyways

Tomorrow big show, dude Yeah I was floored when I saw A couple of the guests tomorrow i really was how about today fucking barry sanders dude i know awesome cole beasley rich rod couldn't really hear anything he said but could not hear a word cole beasley said still pretty awesome though hey shout out to cole beasley friend of the show now that's right not like a good friend but like you know acquaintance have a lot of respect for that, man. Oh, yeah.

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