The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 335 - Aaron Rodgers, Budda Baker, Terrell Owens, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 19, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys look more at the Conference Championship matchups and whether or not Patrick Mahomes is going to be able to start against the Bills, the narrative of Brady vs. Rodgers, and welcome three great guests. First, like he has every week this season, QB of the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers joins Pat and AJ to recap last weekend's game against the Rams, how he is so comfortable, his thoughts on this week's matchup against the Bucs, how much media porn Brady vs. Rodgers is, and what his state of mind has been like, and why it looks like he's having so much damn fun (19:57-1:04:41). Next, 3x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro, the highest paid Safety in NFL History, Budda Baker joins the program to chat about his playing style, not being afraid of anything, why he thinks he might get fined or flagged more than others, what offense is difficult to prepare for, if he's ever been to Kliff Kingsbury's house, and getting caught by DK Metcalf (1:06:26-1:30:41). Later, Hall of Famer, 6x Pro Bowler, 5x All-Pro, one of the greatest WR's to ever play the game, Terrell Owens joins the program to chat about his career and how the media had a fair say in how he's perceived, his new wine company, 81Vino, if he ever tried to battle his persona, where he thinks he ranks all-time, who the greatest of all-time is, what kind of numbers he'd put up today, and much more (1:32:53-2:00:15). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, January 19th, 2021. You're going to like this one. Oh, yeah. Lengthy conversation today. With Aaron. Buda Baker. Terrell Owens. Pac Show.

This is wild, man. This is really cool. If you enjoyed this show by the end of it, please, you know, rate and leave a review. I believe that's what podcast hosts are supposed to say. Yep. Maybe tell some friends to subscribe. Let's go ahead and try to grow this thing. We appreciate you so much for spending time with us.

We know there's a lot of things that can penetrate your ear holes. The fact that you're allowing us to do so, we do not take for granted. Let's get to it. Hey, not a lot of new breaking news, okay? There's some things popping off in the world of sports. Antonio Brown's knee injury, which held him out of a little bit of the game this

past weekend, is day-to-day, nothing serious. Look for him to play this weekend against Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers. Mark Ingram, big trust. Cut from the Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore Ravens, normally the coach will get fired like the day after the season ends or something like that.

The Baltimore Ravens are like, nah, we're just going to cut all our players to the day after the season ends. You guys can. The Baltimore Ravens are like, nah, we're just going to cut all our players to the day after the season ends. You guys can go get a head start on free agency. Here you go, Mark Ingram, Robert Griffin III. Good runs in Baltimore. Those two were cut immediately afterwards. The New York Mets general manager sent his dick in about 62

unresponded to text messages. Had no idea these types of humans existed out there. Happy he got fired jet passing friend of the show put together a barbara walters like piece breaking it all down and it gets very uncomfortable in there and shout out to the mets by the way firing old buddy immediately upon learning about what happened steve cohen said when i was in my press conference i said i want to do this with the right people the guy sent in his bulge and naked erect penis in the report to a lady

who has not responded in about, I don't know, months or years at this point. It's not something we want to be about. Get them out. See you later. And then, obviously, other things happening in the sports world. You got Championship Weekend we'll talk about. James Harden and Kevin Durant are dominant right now. Got a chance to watch them live last night against Giannis and the Bucs.

What a fun little tag team. Hey, what a fun tag team. Harden had to be so excited to get the hell out of Houston, okay? And, obviously, he, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall didn't get along. It was like, hey, it wasn't going to work anyways. James Harden didn't want to go back to the Rockets for whatever reason. There is a plenty that have been discussed on the Internet for who and why he wanted out of there. Inevitably, he wanted the hell out of Houston.

He forced his way out. A lot of people said he showed up out of shape, had the beard, missed the thing, did the thing with the bag and the adult ballet. I mean, there was a lot of stuff happening. And then even in a press conference, as a member of the Houston Rockets, goes, this team beard, missed the thing, did the thing with the bag and the adult ballet. I mean, there was a lot of stuff happening. And then even in a press conference, as a member of the Houston Rockets, goes, this team stinks, guys. So while all that's happening, I would assume Kevin Durant, who's in Brooklyn, who didn't get a chance to play last year because he was hurt, even though he is an absolute stud, he's working behind the scenes to Steve Nash and the boys going, hey, listen, I know he

looks like he's not in shape right now and hates basketball, and we have no idea. Just know that if we get him, hey, me and him, good friends here. We don't know what Kyrie's doing. Hey, we hope Kyrie comes back and plays basketball, but he's got a world to figure out that he's got going on too on the side while doing this whole thing. If he comes back, great. If not, whatever, we're going to be good.

They're awesome to watch. They've scored 30, both of them, in their first two games together since going to Brooklyn. That is going to be a fun tag team in the East and then inevitably probably run into LeBron and the boys. Now the NBA is potentially back, but now we've got to wait months until it gets important. Exactly. And that's NBA talk.

All the boys here at Tone Diggs, how are you feeling? What are you feeling about? What are your gambling thoughts? What is life like over there for Tone Diggs, a man who beat COVID, by the way? Yes, he did. I'm glad you bring that up quite often because we shouldn't forget that. Yeah, how about the Jujubees attacking a man that beat COVID? Jeez.

A little weird. Show some respect. They thought about that. It's a little disrespectful. I'm a little upset that there's going to be no in-person combine this year here in Indianapolis because that's where I get 75% of my scoops from for the year while coaches and GMs and front office people are drunk down here at Kilroy's and they lose lips.

Yeah. And we don't have that chance this year. Some say sink ships, but the ship that's floating well because of those loose lips is the old digs boat. You know what I mean? But you're 100% right. Indianapolis, for a very long time uh was an nfl spring break okay although the combine was happening here the city of indianapolis because it is a city built on hosting people basically it's everything's connected it's very close the restaurants are very very understanding

to people from out of town they do not. Let's have a good time down here. The NFL going to combine, obviously they were working on making their football teams better. Oh, yeah. Obviously they were leaving no stone unturned at combine here in Indianapolis. Of course. Obviously they were scouting their asses off and working harder than anybody else at any other time.

But then immediately upon those sessions that they were being forced to go to end, you see the city of Indianapolis just becomes this NFL party. And it is very cool for the city of Indianapolis. I assume a lot of money is made. Jerry Jones' Dallas Cowboys bus will actually move like down a half a block. He'll go into a club, into the bus for like 15, 20 minutes, half a block down into another club, back into the bus. Dean Blandino was the head of officiating,

was seen coming out of the bus at one point. I mean, downtown Indianapolis is popping off during a combine time. Last year they moved it to prime time and everything else going on, so the bars didn't really get to go off. This year they're moving it out of Indianapolis. I am very worried that the city of Indy is potentially going to lose the combine. Now, hopefully after everything gets settled down and hopefully after the world beats COVID like you did, Tone Diggs,

and you did, Zito, the combine will be back. But it's going to be a big loss, especially for those conversations you potentially have about, you know, midnight, 1 a.m. at certain places around Indianapolis. We were talking about a hefty, hefty, hefty travel schedule going to all the pro days for the GMs and coaches and scouts. Yeah, because head coaches will go to a couple, right? If they have a high pick or something like that,

they'll go check out in person the pro day and everything like that. But it's not normal that you see GMs and head coaches at every single pro day. There's a lot of schools out there, but now there's no combine. Anybody they potentially have a question about, they're going to have to go watch in person. And if you're the GM or the head coach, do you send a scout that you trust, obviously, or if it's a big investment, do you have to go check that out yourself?

It is going to be a lot of travel, but I'll be excited to see if this affects any smaller schools. You know what I mean? Not that smaller schools always have a fair shot at anything. Anyways, they normally have to tag team with a little bit larger school to do a pro day. But will this kind of cut back on that type of thing? Then going forward, by the way, the NCAA saying this year doesn't count towards eligibility.

What happens next year with like the whole, you know what I mean? There's going to be a very interesting scouting going on. But you're right. The Indianapolis city and community missing out on the NFL party is damn shit. Damn shit. Impossible to get into Lucas Oil, by the way. It is Area 51. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I was supposed to go in there and do an NFL Network thing, and I couldn't get in. 25 minutes, the security guard knew me. The security guard knew who I was, knew exactly what I was trying to do. Hands are tied, man. You don't have to pass. I'm like, what do you want me to do?

I don't have to pass. Like, you need to have them get the pass. Somebody from the NFL Network had to walk from the complete opposite side of the stadium all the way around the stadium, get me the pass, show the pass. I had to sign some things, go through. And then we had to walk all the way back. It was like 20, 30 minutes late. Jesus.

They locked that place down. The same security guard that walks us basically into the stadium on Sundays. Like, I had literally just seen this guy. This guy, and I know, can't fucking do it, Pat. Sorry. I'm like, I mean, the TV's on NFL Network. They're saying I'm going to be on TV in fucking 10 minutes. That's literally, that's me.

You know me. Yeah, can't. Sorry, not allowed to do it. Hands are tied. So that is the only drawback. We walked five miles around the stadium just to get back in. It was tough. It was a pretty good little conversation.

We talked about nothing. Because I was not ever – I wasn't invited to the combine, so I had no experience with it. I have no idea what these guys are going through. Wasn't invited. I have no clue what's going on. Connor, Patriots are going to stink, but Josh McDaniels, Josh McDaniels potentially going to the Eagles.

Name surfacing back up for head coaching gigs. He interviewed with the Eagles for a long time. Josh McDaniels, do you think he'd take Eagle's job over any other job? How do you feel about old McDaniels potentially leaving the entire ship up there? I mean, look, I just want everyone who's been through the system to be able to be themselves. If McDaniels can't be themselves in New England, then that's that. But it doesn't matter when you're bringing in superstar, all pro,

probably the best player in the league, Ryan Fitzmagic, to run your offense. I mean, we don't need an offensive coordinator when you've got the magic man at the helm. So it doesn't matter. So you guys are just going to go with older players that you don't have to pay a bunch of money to. And then build a team up around that. Exactly.

That's interesting because there was an idea there for a while. You draft a rookie who's young and cheap, and then you build the team around him, and then you do it again. But the Patriots potentially go, no, no, we don't know if that rookie's going to work out. Let's go tail end, twilight. Let's go ahead and lock this thing down. By the way, at that point, if they're around 15, 10 to 15 years, they love football, so they're going to love coming up here.

Let's go ahead and do it. Now we get the Tom Brady deal, but with people that maybe aren't Tom Brady, obviously, but they still play the position that Tom Brady played, so that's the entire situation. Magic has plenty of shades of Tom Brady, so I'm not worried about it. Plus, if there's anyone who knows the AFC East, it's Ryan

Fitzmagic. Fitzmagic has been around over there in the AFC East. Tom Brady, by the way, this weekend. Tom and Aaron, that's the big conversation, right? All morning we watched all those shows. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. I think it's incredibly fascinating that we do get this this year.

Oh, yeah. The GOAT game. Like, I feel like this is Tom's first year in the NFC. Gronk's first year in the NFC. By the way, after the game, he was celebrating with, I forget who in the locker room. They had masks on. They were being very safe.

And Gronk actually said, AFC championship, baby. And the NFC. He goes, oh, that's right. We're the NFC. The NFC. The first year in the NFC. You know, Tom's first year over there. He runs right into another guy who was talked in the same conversation as him in the NFC,

in the NFC championship is just like a perfect, it really is perfect for storytelling at this point all week. You're hearing who's the, if, if Aaron gets the win this weekend, is he officially in the go talk? It's like, well,

he's already been in the fucking go talk. So I mean, I guess maybe in your world that he has a bit, but in, in most people who know football, Aaron's already in the conversation. Aaron doesn't play against Tom Brady, but man, this does feel like a game

that's going to be talked about for a long, long time. Either way that happens, right? It'll be like when at the end there, Tom ran into Aaron and then Aaron, there'll be an entire, it's an entire setup for a storybook at this point. And I think we're incredibly lucky to have it to be honest like i i honestly do week six was a much different game i assume than what

it's going to be this weekend or maybe it won't be vita vea coming back for the buccaneers nose tackle was a huge deal he could push the pocket back and how will aaron handle that aaron's always been able to do it and then for the buccaneers devin white comes back after missing three games maybe the best football player that's ever played football all of a sudden out of there. I mean, it's going to be, you got Devontae Adams who's unstoppable at this point.

You got Lazard, who we talked to yesterday, wouldn't give us what Scary Ninja was, but would talk about some juices he's been taking. He's a stud. I mean, this is a fuck,

they got it right. We said it yesterday. They got it right. And in the AFC, obviously, Josh Allen and Patty Mahomes, if he can get through the concussion protocol. Ty Schmidt, we learned a lot right we said it yesterday they got it right and uh in the afc obviously josh allen and patty mahomes if he can get through the concussion protocol uh-huh ty schmidt we learned a lot about the concussion protocol this morning more so than we ever have in the entire past we have

the entire fucking thing like word for word on what the protocol is i've never seen this before there's a pretty there's a pretty in-depth thing that you have to that happened i was never in a concussion protocol believe it or not really yeah i flew around led with my head too fair share big yeah yeah absolutely never got in the concussion protocol but there's a lot that has to happen for old patty mahomes tie well what i don't understand too is i feel like he's gonna get cleared and he's gonna play no matter what but if it really is like a neck thing and not you know like an actual concussion thing if he gets hit once what's to say and he And he starts stumbling again, isn't he done? Yeah, I don't know.

It was a scary stand-up stumble. Very scary. Because it's Patrick Mahomes, too. You know what I mean? And you think about it. And then he jogs off the field, though, right? You saw him jog off the field, just like I guess Lamar did as well after Lamar hit his head and got a concussion

and then had to jog back there. But the protocol, can you put those back up, Foxy? Step one, based on symptoms, the player can engage in light stretching, balance training, and eventually progress to light aerobic exercise. So he can't even run yet? Okay, maybe. We don't know what step he's in, right? When did he start stretching?

Was that immediately after the game? Can you touch your toes? No, I get a headache. Okay, we're't know what step he's in right when did he start stretching was that immediately after the game can you touch your toes no i get a headache okay we're not even in step one then step two is the player can graduate toward cardiovascular exercise in dynamic stretching and then take neurological and balance tests he can pass through this step once those test results match his baseline scores which i would assume is the impact or what they initially went through to set the standard on whether or not your brain has been hit or not. So the neurological and balance test, is that in an Oculus? Oh, yeah.

Is that in the Oculus? Because I'll tell you what, if you have concussion symptoms, you put that Oculus in, I assume you're just going to puke all over the place. That should be step maybe one through three. Is the finger in the nose the balance test? Yeah. Probably stand on one leg. Walk straight line. Al stand on one leg. Make him walk the wire.

Walk straight line, yeah. Alphabet backwards, please. Yeah, please. What do you think the long-term effects are going to be? Let's say this is a pretty significant injury. You think they may alter the rules again on how you can hit a quarterback? What happened with Tom? Oh, no, that is interesting.

Well, it was a head or neck tackle, by the way. So I don't think Mack was trying to hurt him. Obviously, he was just trying to catch him. But it was a head or neck tackle by the way so i don't think mac was trying to hurt him obviously he was just trying to catch him but it was a head or neck you saw his hand up there so i'm assuming it's already in the rules it just wasn't called at the thing so hopefully there wouldn't be that big of an overreaction because in football things like this can happen but patrick mahomes is you know i mean he's in every commercial yeah yeah absolutely he's getting his hair to the nfl dollar signs when he's there he's dancing he's getting and for bows he's dancing he's getting his hair cut he's in prime time every single week i mean he is the guy they're gonna push the playoffs back a week oh because of the

concussion perhaps step three the player can move toward a limited amount of football specific exercises yeah you can go play catch right that includes up to 30 minutes of practice time under the supervision of an athletic trainer. Standard stuff, by the way, for people coming back from an injury. I'm not saying that a concussion is different than other injuries. I'm just saying that normally you'll come back a limited time. You have a trainer with you or a physical therapist with you. Then you go to the other field.

You work on some stuff. Then you try to go back in. Then you go out. Depending upon the injury, that is a very normal thing. by the way, I was very lucky with the Colts. We had a great staff. Very talented, cool, funny. Felt like they knew. They're always very confident.

And they got me back from like three surgeries or whatever. So I don't know how it is everywhere, but in India it was like that. Step four, football activities can increase to non-contact drills, such as throwing and running. Another set of tests must again show baseline results and then step five this requires the team doctor to clear the player for contact once that happens the player must be examined by an independent neurological consultant parenthesize inc parenthesize if the inc affirms the team doctor's decision the player is cleared

to practice full and play in the team's next game that's what i don't trust well that's what everybody said immediately upon him entering the protocol is like hey this isn't just the team that's going to be deciding whether or not patty is coming back it's also an independent neurological consultant what if that independent consultant is from midland oh well that is something that would have to be talked about i would assume that the independent one, though, they are going to try their best to make sure it is an actual independent. You know what I mean?

Not from somewhere. Yeah. That could potentially paint a picture in a different light. What a sketchy. You just bring in Merrill Hodge, and you're going to be fine. Put the guy in the damn game. That's good. What is that?

NFC championship? He's good. His eyes are open. He's good. That is the old school football thing, by the way. Squeeze my hand. This is kind of like the picture of yeah, I'm going to

hold up. Two? Did you say two? Yeah. Two? Two. That's what it is. Get your fucking ass back on. By the way, we're running a quarterback dive. First play. This is interesting because this is the, you know, all the science. You know what I mean? All the conversation about, hey, got to protect the brain, got to protect the brain.

Then it's like, well, he didn't even get hit in the head. Carrington Harrison shot one on his radio show yesterday. 6'10 KC, by the way. Thanks for the time, Carrington Harrison. And another guy was with him. I forget his name. No shots here. I just forget your name.

That's 100% on me. I was learning of Carrington Harrison. 32-year-old, by the way, hosts the show. Good conversations. He said that uh his source told him that it wasn't even shot to the head it was a nerve thing in the neck and back to your point ty like how do we know the like well how are they going to test that that's a very interesting if he gets hit once and is wobbling then they're going to have no choice because that's all anyone's going to talk about bro chad henney josh Josh Allen. I was going to say. Battle it out for the AFC champions.

When you potentially hurt your T1, T2, did you have any wooblies? I was never out of balance or whatever. But, boy, every move was kind of tough. Mine was more, I think, bone. You know what I mean? This is your nerve. You know what I mean? And the nerve, the neck nerves, I assume those are pretty important.

Did you ever wake up in the morning and it hurts? AQ has a tightened, something tightened. What's it called? Spinal stenosis. It's where your spinal column narrows up. He has a little tighten on it. Pushing on the nerves, I assume. Yeah, the nerves.

I would assume there are nerves involved. Well, did Peyton have a nerve thing in his neck, right? That's what I was going to say. He got his thing glued together. Spinal fusion. I think so, right? The fusion. And he didn't have feeling in his hand for a while, I think, is the reports.

I'm not 100% sure, but the reports were he didn't even have feeling in his hand, and they didn't know how long it was going to take. They knew it would come back, but they didn't know how long because nerves, they said. You know, nerves kind of. I guess these nerves are just gangsters. Do whatever the fuck they want. But they said.

And then, obviously, we end up cutting him. And then he goes to Denver. And, by the way, it did come back. It did. Yeah, he broke a couple NFL records, won a Super Bowl and everything like that. But he did start wearing a glove, which was a little bit different operation i wonder what the not just the long-term effects of the nerve thing but what if it is if it's a nerve that means it's probably potentially going somewhere else in the body as well it was a long-term effect for andy redar don't run a

goddamn power option with your 500 million dollar quarterback on third and one carrington harris after you already ran a play carrington harrison that was the second time they ran it uh-huh carrington harrison uh said that there's a lot of people in kansas city potentially questioning that call to begin with and i i was i didn't even know that we were potentially questioning the call which i think during the call i did question it like why it was happening but after he gets hurt it kind of takes away that entire thought it's like okay now okay, now Chad Hennie's the story. I completely forgot about it. And I just said, you know,

Andy Reid and Eric Bien-Ami, they studied film a lot more than me this week, and they have run much better offenses. But while that play was happening, I, like a lot of people, was like, what the fuck are we doing? You guys got a broken toe. You guys got a broken toe right now. You got 75 offensive weapons.

Why don't we get on one of them? That's how much confidence they have in Chad Henney. Hey, if he dies, he dies. You got fucking Chad Henney, bro. Joining us now is two men. One man, college football national champion and Super Bowl champion and greatest chin in all of sports media. Whoa.

And the other man, a man who is the NFL's MVP this season. A man who just had a win in the divisional round over the Los Angeles Rams. A man who did not wear his long john underwear because he said it isn't that cold. And as soon as we saw it, we all upped our bets mightily on the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen, Green Bay Packers quarterback, all-pro, humanitarian quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Yeah! Say what, dude?

AJ, you're back, man. Yeah, I'm here. You were on early last week because you had a big game. But, yeah, good job. I heard you and Pat had a good little chat. It wasn't bad. It wasn't a bad conversation. How'd you take a couple shots at me?

Oh, AJ did. Yeah, last week after the conversation, he did take a couple shots. I was going to send the message, but I didn't want to drive a wedge between the friendship because, honestly, it's a beautiful thing. Aaron, game was on Saturday. Get a big win. Did you celebrate? How celebrate how do we celebrate you just go squat is that what you did immediately after that big win yeah i went down to the gym power lift obviously yeah of course yes and you know made sure i got a couple uh a couple sets in. Just standard procedure. How did you do it?

No, I definitely had a couple fingers. Scotch. Oh yeah, you were doing those full fucking glasses. I actually treated myself to a cigar as well. An AJ Hawk? Probably the same type of cigar that AJ's puffing on right now.

You should have been celebrating that performance. You were unbelievable out there. There's a couple internet viral moments that happened that I would like to talk to you about. Before Alan Lazard's touchdown, okay, zoomed in on your face, very tight on your face. I saw the video. You literally look at the defense and you go, Alan, and then you just pointed to the end zone. And then seconds later, ball snapped, throw ball, Allen Lazard to the end zone.

What did you see and were you surprised that the Rams didn't hear you actually go, hey, Allen, and then just point at the end zone and nobody do anything? How did that whole – can you walk us through that entire process because it was very fascinating. That's what happened that's what happened alan need you to score a touchdown it's basically what you just said it's basically what happened that's not really what happened i was surprised that that was actually the play where they you know they caught my smile half smile or whatever um i'm not exactly sure what that was from but i do know that i was reminding alan that uh he was bluffing off of the safety before he ran his route so the

whole route is looking like the run so we do so well we match up the run with the pass so he was running in there looking like he was blocking the safety the corner slept off slightly he took his eyes in the backfield and by that time alan was running by him and he made a you know a great catch to kind of put that thing away but uh i wasn't calling my shot or anything yeah yeah alan we're running go route yeah it wasn't a go route either see you're wrong well see that's why i'm me and that's why that's why you are you you know i mean those are two very different things you know but you don't know and you never will i would assume that is very accurate that's a famous jim warren quote if you ever get bored on a any day of the week which pat i'm sure you have a

son of stimuli which is the plural of stimulus. Stimulus checks are out, by the way. Whoa! Yeah, speaking of stimuli. Go watch old Jim Mora interviews. There's some excellent ones. I will. Yeah, Jim Mora, he's got a couple famous ones. But going back to the game, I'm curious,

how much information can you gather on the first, like, possession that you get? The scripted place. And what the hell does that mean? You know what that means, Pat. They're scripted. For the people. These are written down beforehand. We'd like to run these 15, 20 thoughts at some point in the first 15 to 20 plays.

But, Age, there's a lot to be gathered. You know, I think coming in, we were interested to see how much of their five down front they were going to play. What Coach Daly does so well is mixes up the fronts in order to get singles for Aaron Donald, who's one of the best players that I've ever seen in any position during my time. I've ever seen, you know, any position during my time. And the beauty in his scheme is that he forces you, based on the alignments of the other four guys in the front, to single, to not be able to slide two for one most of the time.

So I was interested to see where they would put Donald. Would they put him sometimes over the tackle or would they put him on the back side of a like to the reduction side away from the shade which forces you to slide to the shade side you know a basic under front in the in a three down scheme you have a stand-up guy you have a five technique you have a shade and then you have a three technique and you have a stand-up guy you have a five technique you have a shade and then you have a three technique and you have a backside end what they do mixing donald around allows them to get single blocks for him so many times and at the same time uh with their pressure scheme they can create free runners so often so that was kind of what we were worried about going in the game

a lot they did a good job at that but we held up pretty good. I thought Elton and Lucas, our guards, blocked really, really well. I thought Billy and Rick had great games for us. Corey was very solid in the middle, as usual. But there wasn't a lot of pressure. I barely got touched the entire game. We had a plan to get the ball out quickly, and we could, but when I had to hold it, those guys held up and did a great job. I got it in the notes section here. Funny you say that. It was in the notes, dude.

You remember? You know. Out of the end zone, first and 17, okay? You hit Lazard. How did you see him, and why were you so relaxed? You were standing in the middle of what seemed to be a fucking fire, and you were just hanging out, and then you hit this strike to Lazard for a first down.

Did you just, you just felt comfort? There's never, you just, is that a sense of feel? Like how do you, is there, like you said, you had the thought of get the ball out early, but then obviously there's a couple plays where, there was one where you skirted out of the pocket, and you looked, by the way, like Tyreek Hill in a couple of situations. I mean, we'll get to the pump fake, obviously,

but you're just so chill in there and relaxed. Is that just the comfort and confidence you have in the offensive line or are you letting a play develop? Like, how do you know the fine balance of when you've got to get the hell out of there? Well, it's a lot of that, Pat. I think I would add in some residual jade based on the throw a few plays before that that I missed Marquez on. That would have kind of blown the game open.

When you kind of tie all those things together and you understand what the protection was on the play, I felt good that I was going to have time in the pocket. We were running kind of a staple action play with a deep cross route by Devontae Allen running backside in and Marquez running a post to the front side with Bobby was chipping and running to the flat. So I knew I was going to have a little bit of time, probably five and two hitches timing. They did a good job on their covers. They played actually two to the field so it made it hard on Devontae's angle. He didn't know if he was trying to take it over covers. They played actually two to the field.

So it made it hard on Devontae's angle. He didn't know if he was trying to take it over the safety, who was kind of hanging on the backside, or cross-face. If I had known he was 100% going to cross-face, I probably would have thrown on the first hits, but I was a little confused. I thought he might actually try and go over the top and get his shoulders turned. When he didn't, I realized I had to move slightly in the pocket.

I just had a feeling, with an in-route, unless the guys drape all over him, it's a route you can kind of always throw. You just mix up the trajectory of the ball, whether you've got to kind of zoom it between a window, throw over a guy, or really throw kind of like a lollipop, like a real level two ball, kind of over, kind of like a rolling dagger route. Of course.

So I felt good I was going to have Allen based on the pre-snap the entire time. I just kind of had to get to a spot to throw. Of course. So I felt good. I felt good I was going to have Alan based on the pre-snap the entire time. I just kind of had to get to a spot to throw it cleanly. Hey, you mentioned being in the pocket and Pat talks about how you look so relaxed and comfortable.

I'm sure you're aware of this. Are you fucking kidding me with what you just did there, though? I mean, that was... Rain Man. You're Rain Man. You know that. Like, you love it.

You thrive in that role. That's unbelievable. Don't you? Sorry, you know that. You love it. You thrive in that role. That's unbelievable. Don't you? Sorry, Pat's distracting. That's all happening. Everything that just happened there is happening in what? Five steps and two hitches. I mean, it's unbelievable how you – and is that why –

now granted, they caught you laughing at one point. It wasn't before that touchdown. It was a different time. My favorite time was at like, I think it was the end of the first quarter maybe, and you were doing a hard count. And the close-up had you doing a hard count, and then you just started like laughing, like legitimately laughing. Was there somebody on the other side like,

Aaron, we're not falling for your bullshit? Is that why you started dying laughing during that? That's almost word for word what he said actually who was it who was it it was 41 uh their inside backer uh 43 johnson said before the snap no snap no snap he was yelling out and so i was like ah why even go through with the you know the gyrations but i still went through with it. They didn't jump. And 41 started, yeah, that's right. You can't get us. You can't get us.

I don't know. Just his animation just kind of got me. I love it. It wasn't even like shit talking. It was just kind of matter of fact stuff. And I was like, yeah. It was good, man. I enjoyed the back and forth. matter of fact stuff and i was like yeah it was good man i don't know i just i enjoyed i enjoyed

the back and forth and again i wasn't really back and forth it's just kind of like yeah you're not gonna get us you're not gonna get us like we know that snap count i was like yeah you could just looked up at the clock too 10 on the play clock and 15 or 10 on the game clock 15 on the play clock you know he may or may not snap it. Hey, speaking of, you know, talking back and forth with some of the guys you're playing against, what's your plan for Indomitian Sioux? Are you going to try to maybe butter them up pregame? Like, what are we doing?

Because I know last time you thought you were going to have a meeting at the buses just to kind of hug it out. Like, where are we at right now? I completely forgot about this storyline. I am pumped. This is awesome. I don't think there will be a whole lot of conversation this week. Damn.

I wouldn't expect a whole lot of conversation. Next question, he said. This is the – go ahead, Ed. You're talking about being in the pocket. I had a real question about – so you see this happen sometimes where a quarterback will be dropping in the pocket. He gets antsy. He actually has good protection, but it feels like, hey, this is when the pocket will break down and he still escapes the pocket how do you keep yourself from doing that because

i see guys do it all the time two things one you get older so you can't as much and two you get popped really hard a few times that'll make you stop doing that um those are actually real answers but the third part of it is you just have to learn from your experiences and go back and when you're watching the film and seeing yourself leave the pocket early and i did it at times during my early career for sure um just kind of antsy or you feel like oh this blew wide open and i'm athletic enough to get out and make something happen, every time you do one of those things, you kind of log it and lock it away in your mind. And remember kind of just that feeling in the moment, work on practice,

not trying to get out too early and subtle movements in the pocket and going through your progressions and not looking at the rush. So it's a process. But those two things will really will really help advance that process. One, aging, because then you're not thinking about running away from guys anymore. And two, taking a big-time shot, whether it's as you start leaving the pocket or once you've left the pocket, that will stick with you as much as watching the film the next day. You are getting older. It's a lot better than dying by the way so congrats

way to go way to go um but you had a thud you know hey hey you look like a young man out there okay we get out on in in the in the flat we pump fake a soul out of a man. I mean, that guy's soul left. That was maybe the highest jump I've seen somebody ever have for one of those pump fakes because I would assume he thought you could definitely throw it over there. Then you just sneak in the side door there. I mean, let's go. The body's feeling good. The squats are working. What was the mindset on that game, on that play? You did say you are a pump fake down the field guy. It worked out for you there. Are we going to see a couple of those this weekend,

maybe drawn up by LeFleur, maybe some isos with Aaron at running back? I'm not sure, Pat. That's competitive advantage. I can't give you the answer on that one. I wasn't down the field on my pump fake, just for the record. I was behind line of scrimmage still. True. So it wasn't as fun as beyond the field.

Beyond line of scrimmage where you pump fake and get a guy, those are really fun. I think that I got Leonard on that one because I was legitimately going to throw the ball to Big Dog, who was right behind him. Oh. A lot of times, you know, guys just run at you and really won't go for the pump fake. So I actually anticipating maybe that happened which later in the game we had a laugh leonard and i um i step up in the pocket to the right and he had been dropping in coverage

and i was thinking about pump faking him and he i could tell he wasn't going for it he was like looking at me closing closing closing and i ended up just rifling one guy through the back of the end zone and then uh And then kind of laughed about not being able to get him twice. But I legitimately was trying to throw it to Big Dog right behind him. And when he jumped in the air, I just realized I could move to my right, still thinking I'm going to throw it, not thinking I'm going to have to

try and run it in. And then about at the two-yard line, I realized I'd probably get this one in. Then I did something I hadn't done my entire career, other than a soft toss in 2011 at Kansas City. I threw the ball into the stands. I'm not sure what the fine will be, if there will be a fine or not. I will state my case publicly on this program.

Thank you. First and foremost. Hearing adjourned. Because of the COVID rules, I actually have video evidence that the ball did not endanger anyone in the process of flight. See that? It landed in an empty section of seats.

Now, there may have been some sort of melee of individuals trying to get the football. I have nothing to do with that. No. You incited this. You did kind of incite the COVID super spread. Oh, jeez. You did kind of incite the COVID super spread. Jeez.

But I did. They could have, you know, if people really wanted to keep social distancing, they could have let the ball sit for a while. Some stadium attendant would have came down. Bingo. If they're a volunteer, I would say they should get to keep the ball. If not, they can find their favorite person who maybe tipped them the most or had the best smile on that day or maybe the best mask. Give them the ball at that point. now we're helping small business as well each uh people helping

people that's what you're all about so if you get fined for that i mean what are we doing you know let's talk about you celebrating they're throwing the ball in there there was a couple moments you know where it felt like you guys could feel the crowd a little bit am i misreading the situation or was it very nice to have a little bit of a pop after something good happened that it was the most normal that the game has felt the entire year i mean it really really was uh you know we've had eight home games before that and it's been strange and we've had you know 500 ish people a few of the games which has been okay but this was the closest it's felt to more normal I know it's obviously not the same as 80,000 people but it felt way more normal you know run the tunnel and hear the crowd and And those people were banging the hell out of those signs.

And it was making pretty good noise. It sounded it. Yeah, it sounded it. They were pounding the heck out of those things. So good on the game day staff for handing out those big old signs. And it was great to see and hear so many people. Cool moments before the game with just with with just 9 000 or however many fans we had you know normally a big game like that you feel the energy and the emotion

you don't hear the individual like cat calls and yell outs there was so many of them i mean they just people pregame i was throwing just screaming at me screaming at me and you can't act like you don't hear them because you can hear him clear as a bell. But it's like, dude, I got you, okay? Hey, yeah. I got a little warming up to do. Okay, this is a warm-up time. Trying to win a game.

Appreciate you coming. Do you have anything to say other than my name? Come on, say something witty. Let's have some dialogue here. Yeah, come on. Are you more comfortable on a football field than you've ever been before? Come on. Are you more comfortable on a football field than you've ever been before?

Because we just talked about a few different smiling in the face of the team that you're playing moments, right, while you're playing in a divisional round game, which is a monster game, obviously, for the team. You are just having the time of your life, it looks like, out there. Is it always like this and we haven't noticed, or is right now just a whole different time? I think partly that people forget when you maybe don't play as well. I mean, obviously, comparatively, the last couple years haven't been numbers-wise as well as obviously this year.

So people maybe forget some of the things that I've done over the years and how I am on the field. So, again, with more eyes and more attention you're going to see you know things that you maybe you think are new but actually aren't that new at all um and the other part is i'm genuinely having a blast i am you guys know it uh people that watch this show know it uh the guy down at fedex today that i saw oh up. I've been a lot happier the last year. My life is, you know, my perspective, my mentals. You know, it's been a really good year.

I've said it before, this show has been so much fun on Tuesdays. But the perspective that I've kind of taken to the field and lived every day with, I think, has allowed me to just be a little happier and shows taken to the field and lived every day with, I think it's allowed me to just be a little happier and shows up on the field. Now, I guess how worried would you be if you had the same mindset, you had the same approach, and you guys were garbage and you stunk the shit?

Would you be able to stick with it? I love how you bring that positivity, Age. See, I think you're missing the whole point of it. It's perspective, my friend. And it's not a winning cure is all. It's not a they drafted my replacement and this is how I play mindset. See, that's where people are wrong. That's why they don't understand the attitude of gratitude and a positive mindset all the time.

It doesn't have to take a crescendo moment of somebody else doing something to you it's when you take ownership of your own life and start working on yourself and loving yourself and changing your own perspective that's when true change i believe happens now some of us and we've all been there where there's been some sort of galvanizing moment for us or some awakening, some moment of what's the word? Enlightenment. Enlightenment, epiphany. There's all been those moments. But for me, the true growth has happened when I said nothing that happens to me has to affect

my reactions. My reactions are my own. Things that happens to me has to affect my reactions. My reactions are my own. Things that happen to me don't have to influence my life in a negative way. And when that perspective changed, I realized I was in control, completely control of my own attitude, perspective, routine, enjoyment, joy, happiness, love, all those different things. And that's been the biggest weight off my shoulders. Not any draft pick that happened or any end-of-the-tunnel epiphanies. It's just been really working on myself and changing my perspective. And I think it's really helped me out this year, not just on the field, but with my leadership and my approach and my perspective, and I think it's really helped me out this year, not just on the field, but with my leadership

and my approach and my perspective. I mean, I'm getting called on to, like, give speeches after games now. It's for years. Did you give a speech after this game? Yeah, but the last time. Oh, can we, can we, can we, please? We all won. I mean, we all won.

I mean, I don't know if they tape it or not, but I would definitely give you first viewing rights on that. Oh, I appreciate that. Hey, you know me. That's just not really been my personality over the years. And, you know, it's been fun to have those opportunities. I don't know if you guys fully understand some of the things I'm saying. I mean, I'm not necessarily talking about chakras and all that stuff,

but I do talk about how important it is to have the right mindset, to visualize things, to manifest the things that you want. Some guys might be thinking, what's this old guy talking about? But I do believe there's a lot of power in setting intentions to what you want. It's the same thing as goals. It's just more of a energy focus you know it's not just some like a lot of times goals i think are maybe off in the distance and they're a lot too lofty or unrealistic and um it's kind of the the it's

goal setting with um a super energetic focus i think that's uh was there a moment where that came uh did that did you just say like you know what I'm gonna start being like this or how long did it take to kind of have that kind of switch entire everything because I assumed if I were you like you know there's there's spite stores that happen there's spite revenge bodies that have their spite seasons that come the amount of positive that you're talking about to a situation i think is very amazing because a lot of people uh to your point did assume that you were going to come scorched earth this year and it seems like you're the complete opposite actually it's not like that i'm very comfortable

with who i am is that kind of the way you feel and view it well you know what happens when you start assuming things but yeah the ask you me thing. It means you're an idiot. I didn't know. I've never heard that one. That's on me. That's a new one. That's a good one. Is it still?

Go ahead. Just give me the credit, please. Look, I don't know when the speech thing happened. I think he just kind of called on me that week, a week to, like, say something. It was good. They were like, let's bring it back. It must have been okay because he's been asking me to run it back. Aaron?

I feel like, you know, Big Dog got to speak every week, and it was fantastic. So I don't really want to compare myself to him or even the great Charles Woodson, who H knows, during our run. You know, he was basically talking every week. But I do appreciate the leadership opportunities and that expansion of that role. That's been a lot of fun. But I keep thinking, like, this last game, I was like, okay, like, he's not going to call me this week, right? You know, he's going to go to a defensive guy or maybe not even have anybody call. And he's like, all right, Aaron, call us up.

Bob Ross of football, you want to make this pretty easy? But the best part is I'm just so kind of off the cuff. Like, that's when I speak the best. I mean, I've given speeches over the years. I, like, write out, you know, like, bullet points and then break it down and go, like, you know, outline to bullet points, like specific things I want to say, and I get up there, and it's just, I can't even get going.

Can't do it. Throw this shit out. I can't just wink, you know? Nick Cannon in Drumline, that's how I always talk about how I, I don't know if you've seen the movie, Nick Cannon, incredible drummer, can't read the music, though, but he can hear it and he can repeat it. That's kind of how I am when it comes to speaking. If I'm trying to read the thing I I am a nightmare I am an absolute nightmare so I like

the fact that you know you're getting a chance to go out there shoot from the hip motivate the boys let's you do you reference the run there and I apologize I'm going to move this forward that's on me 100 I'm an asshole in this situation but you talked about your run when Charles Woodson was uh talking to the team and you guys went a Super Bowl and all that back in the day uh how does this team feel how does this run feel versus let's say then or maybe even last year because you guys got to this game last year I don't know if you remember exact feelings leading into the championship week but how do you compare these this team the feeling you guys have the way you're playing two teams you've been on in the past yeah it's a little different I mean this will be our fifth uh championship game together each one

very different types of teams i feel like in 2010 everything was so new we didn't realize how good we were how good we could be we're just kind of riding the wave and the wave was uh was cresting and pretty powerful and uh we kind of put it all together at the right time and the Atlanta game springboarded us I think confidence wise and our defense played so amazing the next week against Chicago you know then 14 you know maybe our most complete team that we we've had there was we just felt like like as completed was there was going to be some changes after the season on just some guys that we had and guys moving on.

We just really wanted to get it done, whether it's for Julius or Age or any of our older guys. I feel like that was just such a special group of guys. Don't even want to talk further about what happened in that game 16 you know 16 was a lightning in a bottle man we we were four and six we went eight straight and it was this amazing belief that we had and a team that talent wise wasn't as good as probably any of the other five. But, man, we had that special chemistry and belief in each other that was really, really special. One of my favorite years probably was 16,

just the way that we stuck together and believed in each other and did things that nobody thought we could do and made it all the way to the NFC Championship, ran into a buzzsaw in Atlanta. And then last year's team was, everything was so, it was kind of like a reset, total reset, just brand new. And, you know, different guys brought in Z and Preston and Adrian and Billy Turner and just new guys, new energy, new coaching staff, obviously.

Yeah, we really enjoyed each other and had a good season. We weren't clicking anywhere near where we're obviously clicking at this point in the season compared to this year, where our offense is much better and much better. It's not just the way I've played. Everybody's more comfortable. Matt's more comfortable. We're playing complementary football, which we just weren't last year. When our defense

was so great early on we were terrible when we finally started figuring these out later in season our defense wasn't playing as well as they did earlier in the season so this year i feel like we're both kind of gelling at the right time and the confidence is high and we finally got a game in lambo in one of these um you know we're expecting snow on Sunday and things are lining up for us to do what we set out doing back in, what, April when we started having Zoom meetings. Hey, speaking of that cold, do you have a plan on how you're going to combat the cold with whatever clothing you might wear? Are you avoiding nightshade vegetables and trying to eat only alkaline foods? What's the plan? Smart.

vegetables and trying to eat only like alkaline foods like what's the plan smart well i i will say that i did not wear the toe warmers or the uh the turtleneck as you saw um i was worried because it just wasn't that cold saturday that's what we thought comparatively that's what we thought yeah two games that we've had this one one, I believe, will be much colder. Not sure how much colder, but probably we'll put those two things back into the repertoire. Okay, good. Clothing. And we'll see if I need anything else. Hey, when that one's out, everybody knows what happens.

Oh, yeah. It's going to be a shit show for the other team. Age used to wear, you know, he probably hasn't said this on the show, but he used to wear like a heated soft cup. The clack, dude? Is this Under Armour? Yeah, man. It was kind of a cutting edge brand

that he used to stomp for. But, you know, you just want to keep the whole geish and package nice and warm, I guess. I don you know, you just want to keep the whole geish and package nice and warm, I guess. I don't know what the thought was. What was the thought behind that? It was the sperm count. Laura wanted me to keep my sperm count up.

We were still trying to have kids. It works. It works. Stay away from my own dude. A lot of children. A lot of children. I'm getting in my ear 29 degrees and a large chance of snow or whatever this weekend.

So it's coming down. It's about to be Aaron Rodgers' weather. I can't wait for it. Ty might be there, by the way. Ty's trying to get there. I don't know if you know this. I am trying to get there. I think he has successfully potentially found a golden ticket.

We will see as the days roll ahead. Ty, what do you got, pal? Aaron, I don't think very many people were talking about the importance of this play, but when you recovered that A.J. Dillon fumble, it seemed like the initial reaction was, I'm going to make a move here, and then I'm going to skirt 60, get a touchdown there. Was that your initial thought at all, or were you just thinking,

okay, let's get this thing back to the line of scrimmage, get a first down, and move on? Yeah, that's a great point there, buddy. I was actually thinking about bringing up earlier an answer i'm glad i didn't so i can answer your question which you always ask good questions uh so on the play i if you watch it back i actually faked like a body language like i was gonna throw a run solution out to the right and when i turned around i kind of heard the contact that took my eyes back to to aj and the ball was coming right at me.

My first thought was, fall on it, right? But then it took kind of a candy hop to me. So I said, hmm. My eyes went up. I could feel guys were coming from the right. My eyes went up to the left, and all I was thinking about was, I'm going 60 right now. I was telling some buddies afterwards, I said, I legitimately was like, okay, this is it right here. This is game-changing, and I'm going to break loose. And I moved to the left.

Man, that thing closed fast. It's a different speed out there. It was an important play, though. I haven't had a fumble recovery in a while. I always feel like one of my greatest plays of my career was a fumble recovery I had in 2012 against the Arizona Cardinals that nobody would remember. But I literally was carrying out my fake on the backside of a play and dove and left-handed hooked it. When there's like three defensive players around the ball. And just kind of got up and walked back to the huddle. Never got a whole lot of like, hey, great play from that.

Kind of bummed me out a little bit. Maybe people are thinking, what are you doing, you idiot? Like, you're just going to tear your shoulder up for a fumble when we're up by three scores? But I don't know. I just felt like that was a really, really fun play for me. You don't get a lot of chances to look athletic, like being me and kind of where I'm at in my career.

So any chance you're like, something comes up where you're thinking, man, this could be the play. Like, you know, I ran the touchdown, and that was pretty cool. And I was thinking twice in one game, I'm going to break loose here and go for about 40, maybe make a guy miss. Yeah. Yeah. It happened.

By the way, I had dreams of doing that, too, on one fake field goal. And, I mean, you're much more athletic than I was then. Talk about the brand for a second you know i went against wearing for the brand just because my uh my friend who aj knows jordan trip sent me this shirt which you probably don't understand the reference fact is you're not a movie guy but one of the greatest movies of all time uh this is uh a quote from it uh before a duel happens. You probably don't know who this is, do you? Tombstone. Okay. You're getting a new ear, I know.

No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Doc Holliday, dude. What's going on? Who's he dueling with? That son of a bitch. He shouldn't have been there. Shouldn't have been there.

Not this day with Doc Holliday. No way. Johnny Ringo. Oh, of course. Looks like somebody just walked over your grave. Man. You love that movie, huh? Tombstone? I do. I do. I watched it every other day in college at the dorms on my little 17-inch TV with a built-in VHS player. Swag, dude. Swag. Speaking of swag, it is alleged that Devontae Adams

went to Jalen Ramsey before the game and said, let's give the people what they want here. You know, come guard me, this whole thing. On Devontae's touchdown, whenever that play was designed, Alan Lazard said yesterday that Devontae's feet should be registered weapons because nobody can. Whenever that play was designed, you knew he was going to be wide open.

There's nobody that can cover him there? I knew based on the look because it was a double motion for him. So as he came over in motion and Ramsey went with him, they balanced up a little bit on the backside. So pre-snap, both Ramsey and I can't remember who was over Allen, were outside kind of hard outside leverage and the

safety was outside. When Devante came in motion, the corner on Allen balanced up a little bit so it wasn't so far outside and the safety balanced up as well. I just had a feeling that when he came in motion that one of those guys wasn't going to be able to easily

jump off of Allen and get in the throwing lane. And that's why if you see it, I literally caught it and threw it as quick as I could to get it out there to him. One, because we had pressure, but the other because I just knew I had to get it on him right away. But that was a great play design for sure. You threw the shit out of it. I mean, you threw the shit out of that ball.

Good for you, dude. Let's talk about, um, real quickly, uh, cause before I was getting into my tombstone shirt, I was talking about the, for the branch shirt that I love wearing,

but I appreciate you feel about JK Scott choosing to toss the ball to Mason Crosby. Well, you know, he wanted to do a double speed off. He, you didn't see it happen live. You had to watch a replay afterwards. Yeah. I missed it. I haven't seen a replay yet. Well, you know, he wanted to do a double speed off. I can't believe I missed it. You didn't see it happen live? You had to watch a replay afterwards?

Yeah, I missed it. I haven't seen a replay yet. No, I have not seen a play. And by the way, Mason just went and took that and just took one. I'll go ahead and just get slaughtered here. J.K. won that ball back, though. I don't know if you saw that. J.K. wanted to run a little give and go in the backfield,

which I can respect. You know what I mean? Get it out of there. See, you saw that. I heard that because I said, I was talking to Mace yesterday about how he was doing. How he was doing. I said, what did J.K. say?

You know, like, what made him do that? He said, J.K. told me, like, I tossed it to you so you could toss it right back to me. What about a give and go? Shake and bake. Shake and bake. You guys, you know, sometimes you guys to you so you can toss it right back to me. We're going to let it give and go. Shake and bake. Shake and bake. You guys, you know, sometimes you guys marvel at, you know, what I'm thinking about in the moment.

Let's give J.K. some props. With a really bad snap, all he was thinking about is, if I toss this to Mace, maybe he'll toss it back to me, and then I'll be the hero. That's some football IQ right there. That's some football IQ right there. That's some mentals right there in the moment. I give him a lot of credit. You know, at first I was kind of upset that he did that because, like,

why are you tossing the ball to our franchise kicker? But now I'm like, yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Hey, Mason. You saw an opportunity. Mace wasn't ready for it. Hey, go ahead and take it, Mace. That's on you, pal.

What about him manifesting that play, though, and it not coming to fruition? What's that all about? Thought he was going to run a give and go and score that thing. I hate that. Thank you so much for your time, by the way. You're always so awesome. Mace Crosby, obviously a legend.

Hope you're feeling okay, by the way. Whenever you said that, I didn't even think about it. Because his shoulder. It was a real thing. Jacked up. Oh, my God. Hey, T's and P's, Mason. We love you said that. I didn't even think about it. Because his shoulder. It was a real thing. Jacked up. Oh, my God. Hey, T's and P's, Mason. We love you over here.

Going into this weekend, you're playing directly against Tom Brady. He'll be lined up at safety, as will you. How do you feel about your matchup against Tom Brady in the NFC Championship game? Last time I played any type of defense, I was a junior. We got the scrimmage against the JV team.

So it was sophomores against the juniors, basically. And, man, I felt really good about myself. Yeah. And I was lighting these boys up, playing middle backer. I felt like AJ playing eight-man football in Centerville. Oh! Lighting dudes up all over the place. Shout out to the Elks.

But, yeah, you know, you bring up an interesting point. I haven't played a guy that old at safety in a while. So it's going to be weird looking out there and seeing him try and read my eyes. That'll be one of the games in the game for sure. When you say reading your eyes, has any quarterback ever tried to wear a dark tinted visor so safeties and linebackers can't get a jump on them? Smart.

I don't think that's legal. I really don't. If you have an eye condition, if you can bring a doctor's note with an eye condition, then we can do that and step up. You might throw 100 touchdowns a year. Oh, imagine if they couldn't see his eyes. Ask Ty because Ty's got glaucoma, I believe.

That's why he uses some of those products. I do have glaucoma, yeah. Yeah, he uses a lot of those products. What, CBD? Yeah, a lot of CBD. We heard another show talking about CBD. It was a show that I like a lot. Pardon my take.

They said you can't smoke a bong once you get older with Chris Long, because unless you want to be high for a few days, I'm like, our show does that like five, six times a day right before shows start. Maybe that's our problem. Could be. Mostly Ty. Okay. Mostly Ty.

Didn't Foles have the dark visor on this year, and when it came into the game he took it off? Yeah, he wasn't allowed to have it, yeah. Do you hate the conversation? I mean, if you're a storyteller in the pundit world, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers facing off in the NFC Championship, there's just so many storylines. You guys played in week six. You know what I mean?

Both goats. Both are going to be Hall of Famers. Obviously, Green Bay Packers team's dominant. The Buccaneers team was built this offseason. A lot of ring chasers potentially following Tom Brady down to Tampa after his exit from New England and Bill Belichick. The storyline is almost like perfect for the weekend. Has the week six game, does that matter at all in this particular weekend?

And does all the buzz, is it cool to be a part of the buzz of the conversation? Yeah, I think the week six game matters just about as much as when the Saints went to Tampa and beat them 38-3. Got it. It obviously didn't affect them last week

at all. It didn't matter. At all. We lost by 20 at their place. They lost by 35 at home they just beat the saints by 10 this is a funny game and things change people teams change and evolve and either get better or get worse or there's not much staying the same but there's an evolution throughout the season of plays play calling adjustments, adjustments, guys playing good, guys maybe falling off, young guys stepping in. There's a lot of things that happen between then and now.

So I'll give it as much credence as they gave that 38-3 game, which obviously meant nothing to them when they went out and beat the Saints on Sunday. Valid. I will say, just to your other point, this is definitely some media porn this week, right?

Oh yeah. Me and Tom, the old guys on one side, average age of 40. You got the young guns on the other side, Pat and Josh. You got, you know, obviously we played during the season. Did they play during the season? Same week. Yeah, week six.

They played as well? Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of good storylines, and they're obviously going to prognosticate the, you know, potential matchups, you know, who's it going to be, if this guy wins, if these guys win. Pretty good couple, few days for the league for sure, for the media, for football in general.

It's going to be a fun Sunday. Okay, so last thing for me, what would you like fans to yell at you pregame? Yeah, good call. What would get your attention? So maybe some kind of alien situation. I don't know. Like, what do you think would get you to turn around and give them the old, just give them the fist pump like Brady Papinga?

Bob Lazar, maybe. Yeah, Bob Lazar. That poor guy. Disclosure. Yeah. No, I think what often gets my attention, and they used to do, you know, they'd do this sign, show us your sign song. You remember the song, H?

They'd hold up their signs. We'd always look for good ones, you know. There's a lot of, like, you know, standard go, pat, go, or here's my favorite player number. But there was some occasional, like, interesting kind of non-traditionalish uh type of signs that would catch your attention uh just yelling my name over and over is not going to make me like this if you do it for maybe like i told a story about the philly fan if you do it for like an hour straight i'll probably at some point turn around and give you a hey, thanks. Good pursuit.

You can go like, I know you could probably even hold the pee or you got a little beer or something. I don't know. Something maybe a little more interesting. Sign, sign. Creepy. I don't want any creepy things. There's been some

creepy catcalls and signs over the years. I'm not asking for that. Well, you're Aaron Rogers, dude. I won't do what A.J. Hawk did to the crowd. I can promise you that. Yeah, man. Everybody could get it. I hate you. It's my favorite mug, though.

It's my favorite mug. I want to see you guys drinking water. I'm drinking my water. Oh, that's good. Hey, you know what? That's inspiring. We'll drink our water. Yeah. We'll drink our water.

That's not – What do you got on the desk? You got a hefty lefty. You got a Colts game ball. No, no. So this is a Vinatieri ball. This is a Vinatieri ball. This is – there was only – I mean, by the way, I learned a lot about me.

I was number 100. You know what I mean? I was number 100 of the balls that were given out. I think there's only, I forget how many, but it's like always records and shit. It was like a, it was a gift or whatever. You know what I mean? From the people that made the ball.

I could sell it. And then I got Nick Mangold's barbecue sauce. You know what I mean? The best. Did you get that from age or are you friends with him personally as well? It was his birthday the other day. We're not personal friends, but we have great conversations on a regular basis.

You know what I mean? Nice. Yeah. Hey, good luck this weekend, dude. Thanks, buddy. No problem, man. It should be a good game, huh? I think it should be.

You're a little jealous about me and Portnoy becoming good friends. Do you feel threatened at all or no i see you two as a good team you know what i mean you're already doing great stuff and it's if you port noise we've got a chance to hang out with them like it's incredibly hilarious human and good you obviously with everything that's going on barcelona kind of saw that coming there's some others i think that you're friends with that i don't necessarily have a lot of respect for. But, I mean, it's definitely not Portnoy. I'll wait in person to hear about these others. I don't want you to blast me on the radio.

Yeah, I know. I would never. Or on the internet machine. Hey, we appreciate you so much this season doing this, man. We really do. Let's continue the run. We appreciate your time. Good luck with your squats. Good luck with your squats.

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He has recently become the highest paid safety in NFL history. Congrats to him. Watching him play football is an absolute joy. He is a maniac on the field. Seems to make every single play. Ladies and gentlemen, all pro and pro bowler, safety

for the Arizona Cardinals, Buda Baker. Let's go, Buda! What's going on, Buda? Where are you at right now? Are you in Arizona for the offseason or are you somewhere else? Yeah, I'm in Arizona. Just out here at the house, chilling. But I'll be in different places soon. Smart. Enjoy your offseason. Are you at the house chilling, but I'll be in different places soon.

Smart. Enjoy your offseason. Are you in the house that Larry Fitzgerald just built and sold for $18 million in Arizona? Oh, man, I wish. I was definitely there before, and that, I say, was a sight to see. I could fathom. You've been dominant out there in Arizona, obviously,

and I got a chance to talk to some of your teammates about you. And they say he's an incredibly nice guy and absolutely works his ass off. Coming out of Washington, 36th overall. You're kind of somebody that wasn't a nationally recognized name. Then you sign your contract, highest safety in NFL history. Congrats, by the way. Well deserved. And then this year, it was kind of like a Buda Baker show.

You know what I mean? What is your, whenever you're going into a game, do you just think, I'm going to make every single tackle on every single play? Is that your mindset whenever you go out there? Oh, man, not really. I mean, I'm trying to honestly just, you know, think on whatever the play call is and just doing my job. And, you know, I'm kind of like the eraser.

I play safety. So nine times out of ten, if the ball gets past me, it's either going to be a huge play or a touchdown. So, you know, I'm just trying to get as much tapas as I can, as much, you know, interceptions or sacks as possible, and that's just doing my job mentality. As we're talking here, and you're obviously very humble here the way you're talking, I remember a mic'd up, I think, between you and Chandler Jones where you tackled somebody, and I think you said, I ain't scared of anybody,

I believe was your exact quote or whatever. Is my brain literally just remember that? That happened this year, right? Oh, man, that happened in 2019. It happened in 19, but, you know, people might have just saw the video last year. Yeah, but you absolutely, I mean, you slaughter people whenever you're hitting people. Is that something that you take a lot of pride in? Do you have to build your body up for that?

Is that just naturally how you've always played? Have you always been a heavy hitter? Have you had to adjust at all since getting into the NFL? You've made it look very easy, obviously. Yeah, well, growing up, I played offense and defense. So running back or safety and just having that mentality growing up just to have no fear, whoever I'm hitting. You know, I'm on the smaller side, 5'10", you know, 190, 195. So, you know, I just think about speed.

You know, if I hit somebody at my fastest, then, you know, nine times out of ten, I'll get them down. So as long as I do that, then, you you know i can make a lot of tackles uh you're just looking for collisions it's like whenever you're uh do you ever have fears obviously with the new rules on where you're allowed to hit where you're not allowed to hit has that changed your style of play at all are you young enough that you've been brought up in the strike zone era so it doesn't really change much for you a little bit of both i'm young enough i brought up to the strike zone era you know shoulder tackling you know going to university of washington with chris chris peterson who was the head coach at the time now it's jimmy lake who was my dv coach at the time and you know we lost we watched a lot of uh film of rugby players

and how they kept their head out the game and how they're smack guys with their shoulder and yeah i have got a couple finds that have been rescinded used with my head people might think that it's my head because i'm coming in with such fast, you know, fast force and tensions, bad intentions, and they think it's my head, but it's really my shoulder. And, you know, what I've got this past year was a lot of times when I go to make tackles, a lot of guys would duck their head. So it would be a hard strike zone for me to get. So, okay.

So let's talk about that. Let's talk about Sorensen the other night in the Chiefs-Browns game with the touchdown-touchback thing. A lot of people were complaining about the head-to-head, but going down that low, it has to be very hard, especially when you're hitting, like you, full speed every time. It has to be very hard to kind of keep your head out of that. Yeah, I mean, it definitely is, and you just got to try your best, too.

You know, you got to lean in with that shoulder whatever shoulder it is especially for him it was on that goal line so you got to kind of hit high in a sense because if you go for the legs they can you know jump over top of you or or do something they'll be able to get in the end zone so you kind of have to go high not saying that your head is going to hit the other player but you have to strike him with your shoulder and what i saw out of him was he was clearly trying to strike him with his shoulder but as you see the head can get down and if that was me i i bet you that would have been a fine but i'm a fine a penalty you know some crazy stuff you know i'm a dirty player all that type of stuff but

hey kudos to him he he got their team not the score the other team not the score touchdown and actually gave the ball back to the chiefs and at that time that was very special for the chiefs so yeah huge obviously and they're still talking about it to this day let's talk about what you said there if that was me i'd get a fine do you think refs call you differently? Do you think refs in particular, or do you think it's media? What do you think it is? I mean, honestly, I think it might be media maybe, but you never know. I mean, I never want to put anything on the media or the refs, but you know, there's been one hit where I used my shoulder and I got the fine rescinded, and then the next week there was a flag, but then it was picked up because they see that 32 and they're like,

oh, man, you might have hit him with his head, even if they don't see it. Hey, they said that about me too. Hey, Buddha, that's what they said about me too. Had to go do it. Hey, what quarterback, obviously now you've played, I'm just going to assume you've played against everybody. What quarterback do you enjoy the chess match between you and them? Because I would assume safeties are what quarterbacks are looking at a lot of the time.

I assume a lot of people are reading where you are in the box or outside of it. What quarterback has really been a joy you think to kind of joust against? Yeah, I mean, honestly, I haven't played a lot of qb's uh back to back you know i played the aaron rogers i played the you know uh the patrick mahomes but those were just one games and those guys are you know as quarterbacks in this nfl and in league. So, but really, if you're talking about division wise, it would kind of just be like Russell Wilson, just going against him, knowing that Russell Wilson can keep their team in the game, no matter who they play. And he's a great player.

And, you know, I love when I'm showing down the edge and he he's micing me mike and buddha mike and buddha so i love going against uh guys like that uh buddha's in buddha's in hey count 32 and it's probably gonna be a head-to-head hit by the way what do you got connor yeah buddha have you been to cliff kingsbury's house and why is is it the coolest thing in Arizona? It's awesome. Man, I've never been to his house, but someone told me we're damn near next-door neighbors. Oh, so your house. Hey, I was trying to look in the back there.

You do have a nice spread. Congrats. Well-warranted. Highest paid safety of all time. Does your house rival what Cliff's? Cliff's looks like a drug lord's house. Yeah. That thing was.

Yeah. Hey, Cliff's house is Yeah. That thing was, yeah. Hey, Cliff's house is nice. I just saw the pictures, but, you know, I don't know about my house. I mean, it might be a couple stages under Cliff. You know, I don't know. What was Cliff like? What was Cliff like whenever he got the job? Young, he was just the offensive coordinator for USC for a month and a half or whatever.

He was a head coach in college, and then all of a sudden he's in the NFL. Here we go. What was it like with the transition into Cliff Kingsbury? Yeah, just a young, cool guy, you know, knows what to do, knows the guys on the team, definitely wanted to get to know us. But really a guy who's strictly into football, a guy who, you know, loves football, loves offense, loves, you know, being with that quarterback and, you know, making better QBs better like Kyler Murray and stuff like that. So, you know, he's had the track record of having a lot of

great QBs and going into the NFL, being able to pick Kyler Murray. And now that they're here, they're doing great things. And he's just a great guy. You know, I'm glad to have him as my head coach. Buda, you guys this year, there was moments of just unbelievable. It was like, okay, the Cardinals are here. Then there would be a little bit of a drop off. Then there would be we're back.

Then there'd be a little bit of a drop off. And I'm not talking about players individually. I'm talking about as a team. Why was that, you think? And how do you guys get to that next level? Because there were some games where watching you guys was fucking awesome. I mean, offense, defense, everything, special teams was cooking. And then there was a couple games where it was like, all right, what's going on here?

And we all know the 2020 season was a pain in the ass with COVID and everything going on. But what do you think it's going to take to make the Cardinals be the consistent, great team that you guys showed flashes of this last season? Yeah, exactly. Like you said, we showed a lot of flashes. And like you said as well, consistency. For us, I mean, I honestly feel like if we take it, you know, day by day, week by week, we'll be a very great team. And I'm super excited for next year. You know, being one of those leaders on the team, I can definitely emphasize that if we can take it week by week, day by day, we're going to be a hell of a team. So that's what I'm going to continue to do. And I know these, you know, we have we have a great offense, great weapons on offense, great defense, great weapons on defense.

And like you said, special teams as well. For me, being a defensive player and making the special teams as a Pro Bowl, you know, going to Pro Bowl with special teams my rookie year. It's definitely excited and great to see our special teams each and every week because sometimes those boys give me juice. So I'm definitely excited to see what what's in store next this next year hey so am i i was a cardinal supporter this year i enjoyed watching your guys's games it was a lot of fun i mean it was it was a blast uh did you you've answered this a hundred times you had no idea, huh? You had no idea?

You had no idea? Yeah, you're right. You're definitely right. Honestly, also, it was a long drive. You know them long drives. You're tired. Defense, offense, they're battling. It's the red zone.

You know, go hurry up. I'm in the post. I'm a post player. I shouldn't even be doing that. But, you know, I just saw the bat go to the flat. Saw Russell throw it to him because he saw the linebackers or anybody going to the running back. And I just took my shot. And, you know, right when I caught caught it I saw who was in front of me which was Russell Wilson um you know I could honestly say I've never been caught from behind

before so I was never worrying about who was behind me I'm only I was only worrying about who was in front of me so I see Russell get the ball I'm like all right it's nice beat russell i'm good i'm in the end zone hell you know my my sideline i'm on my own sideline everyone's yelling you know i can't really hear it because i'm in my zone just trying to get to the end zone next thing you know i kind of hear some footsteps and um i look i finally look up in the jumbotron and I'm like, this dude is coming up on me fast. So I turn around just to see like how much time I have because I might I was thinking about either cutting to the right or just trying to stiff arm him. I just didn't know how much time I had. So I turned around and he was right there.

So I was like, I can't really stiff arm him. The angle of the stiff arm would have been bad it would have messed my shoulder up or something you know i just had it i just had to take it and he he just he tackled me great job for dk i'm just glad we we didn't let their offense get any points that draft well i'll tell you what that is the forgotten storyline and that entire thing is that's a massive turnover in the red zone that's a big deal the story though is the memes of fucking you know i mean that was the running form by him was maybe the greatest knee drive arm swing i've ever seen in my entire life you remember that tempo run game he was trying to get me, and he got me.

So, hey. Hell of a play. It was amazing. And DK is obviously a freak athlete, as are you, by the way. And I will never be in that situation. So thank you for taking us inside of that. I don't know if I'll ever run that far ever again, let alone with a ball and somebody trying to tackle me.

So I appreciate that immensely. Ty? Buda, when you look at, like, all the different guys in your division, you go up against a lot of tough wide receivers. But who's, like, one guy that, I mean, I'm guessing you're not really losing sleep over anyone, but, like, who's one guy who you really have to be on your P's and Q's to be successful against?

I mean, honestly, my four years being with the Cardinals, we have not beat the Rams with McVay. So their receivers, as in Cooper Cupp and Robert Woods, are definitely guys that are slept on that I think are really good. They're their third zone targets. You know the ball is going to them, and somehow they still get the ball to them, and they're a great offense.

Sean McVay's offense, I would say, it's kind of like my receivers kind of. That offense is just so different, or so much the the same but so different you know they they could run the ball on the same set they can boot out of it they could throw a screen you know as a defense that's definitely hard because you know we go off of what are their tendencies and what do they like to do when they're in this formation or that formation but with the Rams they can do the same formation

but so many different plays. And do you think that's why everybody that knew Sean McVay got a head coaching job? Like everybody that had potentially even had met Sean McVay got a head coaching job immediately after they saw him. Is it because the offense is just so basic yet intricate and tough to break down? Yeah, exactly.

You're right about that. Cliff. It's so easy but so hard. It's weird. Hey, what's the biggest hit? Do you have a favorite hit you've ever had or a favorite tackle you've made or any favorite play that you've made? Yeah.

I mean, favorite play really, I mean, last year, my interception versus Dallas, I think versus Andy Dalton. That was a very fun interception for me because that was my first interception being in the NFL and also just the route combination and what defense we were playing. It was something, it was like a quarters defense. And I was a safety and I was looking at three to two. So three goes under. Now I'm kind of playing quarters on my two. If two goes shallow, I got to hit it and my corner will be over top.

So three went shallow, two ran a slant and i just shot it and the ball was right there dope for the interception there's a lot of people listening watching that have no fucking idea what you just said but from outside in one two three is the inside receiver you have to drop in a quarter that whole thing if you don't know we're not going to break it down right now but i think what i heard you just say is uh the reason why it was your favorite play is and you said this i think on the russell wil Wilson, DK Metcalf play as well, where you weren't supposed to be where you were, and I would assume in this particular situation it was you understanding what was happening.

Is that why it's like you got to a point, and I'm not saying that this year was the first year you got to this point, but do you feel you're at the point where you know pretty much what the hell is going on, and is that why McVay's offense is so difficult? Because usually, because everybody talks about Luke Keekly, who Luke Keekly, whenever he was on the field, he was going to call out what the play was going to be, and he's normally right.

Do you feel that is one of the big parts of your game, is you know what the fuck's going to go on? And like Troy Polamalu of the past would kind of make a ad-lib style play whenever you're not supposed to be in a place because of intuition that you had? Exactly. Wow. Exactly. Good. Exactly. Good for you.

Like you said, too, for me, it's my fourth year in the league, my third coaching staff. So my first coaching staff, total new defense. Then my second year happens, total new defense. Then my third year happens, total new defense. And now the fourth year is that first year that i'm able to have that same defense as my third year so just being able to learn the same stuff all over again for the second year in a row and kind of know the pros and cons of each defense and know what the offense is trying to do

you that that that is a lot for me and um that's why i feel like you know i had a season like i did this year nobody ever talks about the defense side of the ball changing coordinators always the offense you know i mean it's always like offense coordinator changes nobody ever talks about defense it's like yeah this guy's had three different defense coordinators in four years nobody ever talks about like oh maybe this guy would like to get comfortable so that he can go make a play never gets talked about i would like to let you know buddha we will talk about that around here from this point forward okay dicks what do you got buddha pat just brought up troy paul malu uh is there any current safeties or past safeties that you watch film on to try to pick up things

from um i mean there's of course the uh tyron matthews going into getting drafted he was here in the arizona with the arizona cardinals so it was definitely great to learn from him him being an all-pro safety and a safety who is of my stature and uh it was definitely you know good to learn from him and also watch their film um guys like kevin byer who's really good at getting the ball eddie jackson um uh it's patrick you know all these different safeties that all can do different things that i love to watch film on and love to uh get things after so yeah you ever watch my film out there buddha oh yeah man, man. Man, them 50-yard punts. Yeah, that's right.

Hey, that's what I'm talking about. Need you a gunner, dude. Need you a gunner, bro. Fucking let's go. I know. Hey, we appreciate you, man. Every check that you get is well-deserved and earned. We appreciate your time today.

Hope the Cardinals continue to get better, as do you. Ladies and gentlemen, all-pro pro bowler, Buda Baker. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Hey, appreciate you, Buda. Cool dude. Yeah. Awesome. First time we ever talked. That was really cool. Got you on the road for it. Yeah, I'm fucking pulling for Buda Baker.

Absolutely. I mean, almost like get a Buda Baker jersey type thing. I would never wear it, but like, you know but put it up somewhere. He fucking brings the wood, by the way. 5'10", 185, 190, he said. Watch rugby videos. They figured out a way to get their heads out of it at full speed,

so I figured I could. What an animal. It's wild flipping the switch like that, because it's, again, like the same guy. You talk to him. It's like, oh, this guy's so mild-mannered and polite and nice, and then on the football field, he's just a fucking maniac. I'm going to kill you.

Yeah. Him breaking down plays. Yes. I like that a lot. When you guys talk, like, the next level football that, you know, us pedestrians don't really understand, it's awesome. Well, I was privy to those conversations, like, in the cafeteria or in the locker room or whatever, on the plane or anything like that.

And I would just be listening. And I'm like, this is really fascinating, by the way. I had no idea that y'all motherfuckers were, like, working physics on this. If you come down at this angle, I'll be able to get to this angle and that'll – it's like that's the difference, by the way, in college football and the men's league, right,

is you got people that just spend hours and hours and hours and hours and hours a day to get a tiny little advantage mentally so that they can beat you and that's why anybody says college football team can be a men's league team is just an absolute buffoon we've known a couple we've known a couple they've said it was pretty good oh boy that you team in 2000 maybe yeah yeah but just think about how much smarter all those you guys are now playing football imagine them as adults playing against that i mean that's just i mean there's some dum-dums in the nfl i'd assume just like every place but the football iq on a lot of guys is just so high that's why the coaching player relationship is much different than it is

in college or in high school not only because the ages and the money and everything like that but it's also a lot of guys in the NFL are like, hey, coach, I've been around football a long fucking time too. Like they say, I'm not in the learning fundamentals stage anymore, okay? I actually have some ideas for you I think we should do. And that coach is like, yeah, we're in this together a lot more so than the I'm in charge, you don't even speak at dinner. Those types of guys normally get run out of the league very quickly.

Shout out Petrino. And in college too, like are the seniors helping out the freshmen as much as, like, a 10-year guy is helping out a rookie? Well, a 10-year guy, by the way, is helping out a rookie strictly because the rookie is just following that person around, seeing what the hell they're doing. Getting their back pocket is always the thing that is said. If you see a guy at your position that is a veteran,

go ahead and follow them around and figure out how the fuck they've lasted in this league for that long. And that's kind of the way it is. So, and I think a lot of people always expect like the older player to, you know, coach and it comes out like Ben Roethlisberger is choosing not to go or something like,

well, Aaron Rogers be a good teammate to Jordan love. It's like in the NFL, that's not their job. Okay. If you would like to ask me questions or follow along with me, cool, but it's not my job to make sure you're prepared to do your job if you're going to get a chance to watch aaron rogers from

a front row seat okay and watch everything that he does you're learning more than anything ever ben roethlisberger same way if you get a chance to watch ben what film he watches how he watches film what he's breaking down why he's looking at what that is the type of learning thing where senior uh freshmen in college i think it's more like a brotherhood, where the coaches are doing all the teaching. A lot of seniors are just trying to tell the freshmen how to get through all the shit. Like, hey, this is how you survive this workout. Rich Rod will calm down eventually. Hey, this is – it seems a bit hot right now,

but this will be good for you and that type of thing. The dynamics of an NFL locker room and the NFL brains are just so awesome. That's why I was very excited for this show, to be honest with you. Like, not this show today, even though it's Aaron Rodgers Tuesday in like six minutes. But I'm talking about this show in general, getting a chance to speak to people. Because there's no way Buda Baker would ever get offered a television job.

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like the Sleep One, because if not, I'm up all goddamn night. Back to the show. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a Hall of Famer, one of the most electrifying football players of all time. We've had a chance to chat with him before. It's always a good conversation. The founder and owner of 81 Vino, which is your new favorite wine. Ladies and gentlemen, Terrell Owens.

What's going on, man? I'm good, man. How are you? Hold on. I think what just popped up is your screen name. It says Hall of Famer, Sunglass, Popcorn. Is that right? That's right. Exactly. You know, get your popcorn ready. I love that. Obviously, whenever you sat down into the screen, what was said from the back room there is you were sideways in.

Biggest bicep they've ever seen in a Zoom call and i think one thing that was always said about you is that you're in immaculate shape i mean it is i i think people still question whether or not you could go play right now if you had to are you just working out constantly is that how you stay in the shape that you stay in what is the routine because i'm a i'm a pudgy white and i would like to get into better shape no just call uh it's called maintenance, man. That's all it is. I don't really have to really train like I used to when I was playing, but it's just over the course of my career, I've learned how to really kind of just maintain, eat healthy, and that's really kind of the secret. It's really nothing other than that. Just a lot of popcorn

and a lot of wine right now. Yeah. Let's talk about the wine. How did you get into the wine? Was that something you always did you always drink wine? Did you become a wino when you retired? How did you get into wine? Well, I think, yeah, I got to develop a palate, you know, within the last couple of years. You would think being out in San Francisco where there's nothing but, you know within the last couple of years uh you would think being out in san francisco where there's nothing but uh you know napa valley all these uh vineyards out there and good food um i would have kind of again gravitated toward there uh then but um when i when i played i didn't really drink uh much at all um but this this opportunity came about through a mutual friend uh a guy that's

uh um been helping me with some marketing and branding, Max Management out of New York. And he brought it to my attention. And I didn't know what to think about it at first. But when you think about who I partnered with and rest in, you know, God bless his soul and rest in peace, Mr. Tommy Lasorda, who just passed a couple of weeks ago. I was supposed to come out to L.A., obviously, to do some stuff with the branding and obviously meet him. He had just gotten out of the hospital on that Tuesday and he ended up passing on that Friday. So it's unfortunate that I wasn't able to meet him. But I've had a couple of conversations through the branding and some of the business partners, you know, who blessed

this opportunity for me to be a part of, you know, 81. And so, again, just to make a long story short, this came about through a mutual friend. When you think about what Tommy Lasorda has done throughout his career, Hall of Famer, two-time World Series champion here in the Los Angeles area with the Los Angeles Dodgers. And I couldn't pass up the opportunity. You think about what his legacy and what he's done. I felt like it was a great match. And so here we are. I didn't really know how it would turn out. It was a very meticulous process. I was very involved from the taste of the wine, from the branding, from the feel and taste of it. And if you look at it and if you order the wine, this was really dedicated. Once I got involved, I wanted to do something

special for the fans who have supported me throughout the course of my career. And again, I'm going to gain some new fans as well because there's a lot of wine drinkers across the country. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And when you think of a cab, you think of big, bold and dry. You would almost think that you're thinking about myself, except for the dry part. But yeah, this is something that, like I said, I got really involved with this. Like I said, even from the labels.

And for my fans, I'm going to give them, and when you buy, you can buy a signed and an unsigned. I just wanted to dedicate something to the fans, and it's been a great process thus far. Yeah, sounds like it. Rest in peace, by the way,

Tom Lasorda, an absolute legend over there for the Dodgers for a long, long time. You said you were a part of the tasting and everything like that. How long was it to get this wine? So I've been out. No big deal. I've been in Napa Valley as well. I don't know if this is an oak barrel type wine or it's in a steel.

Okay, okay. You're familiar. This is right. Right. This is a European european and american oak barrel oh when i heard about those oak tree you know what i mean so i heard about how long did the process take to create the taste and everything like that was there already something kind of already made whenever you got involved or how did this whole thing come about whenever you create a

wine no it was uh it was all from scratch because i'm not like i don't when i was when i when i've drunk wine i didn't i don't like the dry um taste i wanted to kind of bring something to the market that's palatable um you think uh when you think about wine like i said there's a lot of red wine drinkers so i wanted to bring something uh to the table uh that's going to be suitable for for for the masses and so i wanted to bring something uh to the table uh that's going to be suitable for for for the masses and so i wanted to bring a little bit of a little sweetness if you will uh to my wine it's not going to taste like grape juice i know when people say sweet they think it's going to taste sweet but um my wine it will consist of like a like a ripe black cherry

preserves um you're gonna put it in a bag chocolate you're gonna put it in a bag at all so we can smack the bag a little bit you know what i mean you know the real classy wine the box one any of that you can do any of that no no not just yet not just yet i'm getting there but yeah but when you think of uh this wine right here it will for your palate it will consist of like i said plum preserves uh some with a little cinnamon aromas. Like I said, dark chocolate and spicy toasted oak. I tell a lot of people, especially women that are listening, they probably think that I'm talking about myself when I say dark chocolate, spicy toasted oak. Bold.

But I'm not. I'm talking about the wine. Yeah. It seems like this wine has really embodied. I mean, you're one with the wine at this point. And I that's smart branding by the way do you smoke cigars is this a wine and cigar no i'm not i don't i don't smoke cigars but like i said i'm gonna pair my guy chad ochocinco he's made he smoked cigars so we might collab and do like a you know cigar wine type of event or what have you but to answer your question it it took about 18 months you know cigar wine type of event or what have you but to answer your question it it took about 18 months you know for this uh to be barreled um you know this is the 2017 um um cab here um hopefully this goes well we're looking to do 2018 and i'm going to try to make 2018 special that

wine kind of special um because that was the year that I got inducted into the hall of fame. So we already kind of started brainstorming. Put a gold jacket on that bottle. Hey, Hey, Hey, say, Hey, appreciate it. Yeah. So we're already thinking ahead about, about 28, about next year. So, so far so good. So again, for anybody that wants to get the wine, definitely go to the website, go to 81vino.com and i'm a big kobe fan um you know obviously we're approaching the anniversary um of his passing and when i start thinking about the process like i said i'm very i'm very creative um really

insightful and so when i came up with the domain name, they'd be like, what do you want your domain name to be? And so, you know, Kobe, the 81 Vino. Vino was sort of a nod for Kobe Bryant. Oh, nice. Okay. Well, obviously, smart person to give a nod to. He's a legend. Obviously, rest in peace.

Absolutely. As are you, though. Let's talk about your football career a little bit. I like your wine career. We got a couple of winos in the office. They will be getting after it, so we appreciate that. Let's talk about your football career a little bit. We were going over your career a little bit before we got in here,

and obviously the celebrations were epic. The plays were awesome. But the thing that doesn't get talked about a lot, and I guess it did at the time, but I think it's kind of fallen out of conversation, is you broke your leg, and then you played like three weeks later or something like that so i'm insane like six and a half uh let's see it will be real realistic about it it was six and a half seven weeks oh okay so that is much different yeah i severely tore uh the the ligaments in my ankle and yeah, I had a break in my leg, like 10, I think it was like 10,

I guess 10 centimeters from my knee or something like that. But yeah. So you broke it all the way up here and then six and a half weeks later, you're back? Yeah. If you think about an actual break in itself, that's around the appropriate time for the start of the healing process. So, yeah, it was broken because I didn't know it was broken until the next day. I knew my ankle was mangled because I felt it. I heard it. I remember when I got pulled down from behind, I heard a pop when Roy pulled me down. And so instantly and immediately when Rick Burkholder

came out, he's the head trainer who's now he's still the head trainer for Andy Reed at the Kansas City Chiefs. He came out and he was like, big guy. He's like, what happened? He's like, what's wrong? And I said, man, I broke my ankle. And so that's when I started signaling, you know, for the cart. And so it wasn't again, to the next day that I, that I found out that I had broken my ankle because overnight they told me to elevate it and it was throbbing, you know, obviously my, my, my ankle was hurting, but when I went in for MRI, um, x-rays and things of that nature, I told the radiologist, he asked me, you know, is there anything else going on? I was like, dude, I said, up here by my knee, I said, dude,

I said, I couldn't sleep. I said, it was aching really bad. And so he basically said, all right, we'll scan the entire leg. And that's when they found out that it was broken. So you had a broken ankle and a broken leg, came back six and a half weeks later, played the monster. Well, the ankle wasn't broken, but the tendons and the ligaments. Yeah, you get it. You're an absolute monster. You're an absolute monster. In like the humans' greatest athletes that the entire species of humans has ever had, I think you're on the short list of athletes of all time, which is incredible.

Let's talk about your style of play. You were always so much fun to watch because you ran angry. Your yards after catch, you were going. I probably was angry. I probably was angry. Why? Yeah, because I wasn't getting the ball enough. Was that your entire career, you think?

Like, entire football career? Was that something you always had where you're like, I want the ball every single play? Was that like that in high school? Was it like that in college or how did it all happen? If you try to do some research on me from high school, you probably wouldn't find any information. I wasn't, when I came out of high school, I went to Benjamin Russell High School in Alexander City, Alabama. I wasn't your four or five star kid coming out of high school, five-star kid coming out of high school, nor was I in the top 15, 20, 40, 50 of athletes coming out of college. I just kind of developed, you know, myself into a receiver. I'm very fortunate to

have some of the receiver coaches that I had. And Larry Kirksey, when he obviously coached some really great receivers and John Taylor, J.J. Stokes, Jerry Rice, and George Stewart, you know, the last probably five years in San Francisco. And so those guys really kind of developed me into the receiver that I became. But, you know, I did have some angry routes that I ran some of the time. And who noticed that was Steve Young he noticed that if I if I did something wrong or if I dropped the ball or something like that uh he noticed once I got the ball in my hands um he called it you know he said I ran angry routes and then you know it just transitioned into uh once I got my hands on the ball that's how I ran really physical and

let's let's talk about you. When did you get the thing like, I want to, is that just whenever you become a wide receiver? It's just like, okay, I want the ball every single play. Because I think that narrative, by the way, can be spun two different ways. You can either say, okay, this guy is being selfish, or you can look at it from a grander picture and be like, hey, this guy thinks he can help the team if he gets the ball more.

And for whatever reason, he isn't. And by the way, a large majority of people who are skilled positions in the NFL feel that way. Is that a natural thing? If I was white, it would be the latter. But I was black. So it was like, oh, he's selfish. He's an angry black man on the football field. And that's how I got portrayed. And I'm

sure you know, like, yeah, I got vilified for, you know, some of the things that people are being praised for now, you know, even think about the celebrations, the touchdown celebrations. And I've tried to defend myself over the course of years. But yeah, if you look at Tom Brady, who exudes some of that and displays some of that passion, you know, they say, oh, some of that and display some of that passion, you know, they say, oh, he's a passionate player. He loves football. He's a winner. He's getting his teammates up. But if I did it, it's the first thing that is the opposite is what you explained first. It was like, oh, well, he's a selfish guy. He's a me, me, me guy.

But I wasn't that type of person. And if you think about it, even when I was being inducted or got nominated for the Hall of Fame, those were some of the things that they kept bringing up about my career, that I was a selfish, I was this guy, I was that guy. But you never heard any of my as a country, where we are as Trump leaves office, how people say this country is so divided. I understood systemic racism. I understood a lot of the things that were going on around me. I just didn't. I never said it because I had a grandmother that grew up in the segregation era. She told me about some of the hardships and things that she had to experience. She shared those things with me. And did I see that when I played? Absolutely. But I would have probably, if I would have brought that to the table, I would have probably gotten the same treatment that Colin Kaepernick did. He stood for something proud and he got ostracized for it. He didn't have have a job but i didn't allow that to deter what my

goal was and that was really honestly to play football uh to become the best athlete that i uh could become and in that i came one of the one of the best receivers um to ever play the game did you me tara did you ever like for instance we're talking to aaron rogers today and every tuesday this season and i think a lot of people people have learned a lot about Aaron Rodgers through this process. And I don't want to say it's conversations or like kind of letting people know who Aaron Rodgers has always been. But Aaron told us that he always wanted to kill him with indifference because there would be stories that would come out. And Aaron would never come out and be like, that's bullshit or give his side of the story, which always was, he said, I'm going to kill him with indifference. Whenever you were playing and you saw the media was starting to pitch this shit, like you, you knew like what

was being said about it. And it was, and by the way, the way some things get going, once they get started, it just continues to build and build and build. It becomes, it's a, it's a snowball effect. Everybody started piggyback on, did you ever think I got to get out there? Did you ever think I got to get out there and stop that? Or were you just like, I have to worry about work here. I don't have time to deal with what everybody else is saying, or were you told not to do it or did you do it? It wasn't successful. I always wondered about that at the beginning of the entire thing. It was a situation. I mean, I thought about it again. You want to defend yourself because you don't want negative things being said about you.

I mean, like I said, I have a family. You know, my mom and them, they think very highly of me. I have friends, close friends. And so they heard the things, too. And so, again, like I said, teammates knew a lot of those things that were being said about me and the narratives that were created about me weren't true. But you see that, you know, even in this Colin Kaepernick situation, guys that wanted to support him, they knew that if they said anything,

that was going to put their job at jeopardy. But for me, I just basically went out there and just played. And I just knew that if I played poorly, a mist of everything that was going on, that was only going to validate what they were saying about me. And so I just basically killed them, you know, with my play. And, you know, obviously I performed well. If I went out there and I played and I was productive,

then they couldn't really say anything but talk about what I did on the football field. Oh, your celebrations, though, whenever those started. Hey, obviously the markers, a famous one. Then obviously the popcorn, the pom-poms. I mean, the start, oh, my God. And then, I mean, it was, it would be. Right. You think about those things that I did.

For me, it was creative. It was fun. Yes, by the way. I didn't think, for me personally, I didn't feel like what I did was damaging the shield or damaging the integrity of the league. I had I just tried to have fun with the game. And those things, like I said, you had a lot of these analysts and commentators that were criticizing me for that, saying that I was selfish. But now, fast forward years later, now they have a Showtime cam at the end of the end zone where I go celebrate. Now they have a Showtime cam at the end of the end zone where guys go celebrate.

So everything that I was being criticized for around that time is obviously it's being embraced in today's game. I wish you were around during the Internet era. You know, because like the Internet. Man, let me tell you, it would, trust me, I would be like some of these guys that have millions and millions of followers. So, I mean, obviously that helps with their branding. Well, and they also go to bat for you, too. So, like, for instance, Juju, for instance, Juju.

For instance, Juju right now is getting a lot of heat, right, for when he was dancing on the logo and everything like that. And there's commentators that don't like it. There's pundits that don't like it. There's fans that don't like it. But Juju's fans, they come out. They're J juju bees they come out and they attack for him they're like no he's just having fun like get off his ass basically if you were around in the internet era i think you would have had you know your people that would have been like hey hey stop being

fucking old okay and just get over it basically that would have been i think it would have been good of course and i think again if you're going to do something like that, I mean, you got to do something to support what you're doing. And I think he was doing that and they went on a losing skid. So it's not it's like I said, it only compounds when you're not being productive. And for him, that's what happened. If he were if they were winning, nobody would really be saying anything. Oh, yeah. Criticizing. It's awesome, actually. Right. Yeah. The love would really be saying anything. They wouldn't be really criticizing. It's awesome, actually. Right.

Yeah, the love would have quadrupled. You know, if you think about the fans that really loved him and they were losing, just think about if they were winning and they were doing it. Yeah, I agree. Ty, what do you got? T.O., given how defenses have changed since you've been in the league and you obviously look like you're still in immaculate physical condition,

what kind of numbers do you think you'd put up if you were to play like this year or next year? I would definitely say, I mean, I think my best year, I think I maybe had maybe right under 1,500 yards. But you think about some of these guys now that are kind of flirting at like 1,800, almost 2,000 yards. I mean, there was a time like when I was in San Francisco and understanding, you know,

how I played the game and the opportunity that, you know, if everything kind of worked out throughout the course of the season, like I really wanted to shoot for 2,000 yards because I know it could have happened. But unfortunately that didn't. And so if I had a quarterback, a pass, like a really a pocket passer that really, like I said, you know, if I would have had a Steve Young or a Joe Montana the entirety of my career, and you think about, you know, how the game is being played now, there's no telling what I could have done. But I did the best, you know, with the opportunities that I had.

I had three, you know, I guess, minuscule type of years with, with Steve Young. And I say that because I didn't get to play at the height of my career. I didn't get to play once I knew that I had the ability and the confidence to really take over games. I was just, like I said, I was in my infancy stage of my career. And then once he got hurt in my third year with the concussions, you know, Jeff Garcia came in and Tim Rattay. I play, I think somebody told me that I played with like a total,

like 20 something quarterbacks throughout the course of my career. It's good. That's good stability. Did you know when you hit your prime? Did you know what you said whenever you were at your best or whatever? Steve was too young. Do you, did you know like, oh, I'm playing football right now at a very high level? And then was there ever a time where you're like, oh, maybe I have lost it a little bit?

Did you ever have that thought? No, I never felt like I lost it because even when my last two years, people were saying that I had lost it. I was too old. When you think about Buffalo and Cincinnati, those two teams, especially in Buffalo, they had Lee Evans, who was a guy who was younger than I was. And I didn't really get an opportunity to really thrive in that offense until Ryan Fitzpatrick became the quarterback due to an injury. And that's when I outplayed Lee Evans. You hit a go-route on us, I think, week 17 in that blizzard, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Ioute on us, I think, week 17 in that blizzard, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did.

Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. It was week 17. There was like two feet of snow or whatever. Oh, my God. That was the best game. That's probably the only game that I played in so much snow. That was like I've never seen anything like that.

But being in Buffalo, that's bound to happen. And so, yeah my my last year with cincinnati you think about chad and carson palmer they have been together like nine ten years at this point so um i i went into uh i were i didn't work out but i well i worked out over the summer um with carson before that year and so they had myself and tony o'brien come coming in free on the free agent market and we both we went into uh to uh to cincinnati we talked to uh the owner we talked to uh marvin and the the same day and so um they end up coming to we're just waiting it was kind of like a waiting day we're just kind of just almost like waiting in the lobby to see who who they were going to pick

and so they ultimately chose yeah they ultimately chose uh they ultimately chose Antonio Bryant, who was 10 years younger than me. And so he ended up, you know, they ended up signing him to a contract he didn't go through. He went through like many camps or OTAs. And then they called me like maybe a month before training camp started because he had some knee issues. I ended up signing there for for one year and then i end up playing out playing chad uh for that year so when you talk about you know my the height of my career when i thought it turned on um i would probably say it would probably be after my like maybe fourth or fifth year um that's when i really saw and then when

they i really felt the confidence when they were able to trade jerry away that let me know okay they see something in me to trade the greatest receiver of all time away to the oakland raiders greatest receiver of all time jerry rice yeah absolutely absolutely no debate absolutely none none i mean if you think about it, look at their – he's won three championship rings, got all the records, 200-something touchdowns, 20,000-something yards. Again, he played with two – he didn't have a drop-off at the quarterback position. He literally went from Hall of Famer to a Hall of Famer. When you go from Joe Montana to Steve Young, I mean,

you're bound for greatness if you're out there and you know what you're doing. Terrell, I can't thank you enough for joining. I think some of the things you said here might cause conversations on the internet, but that's your entire life. Well, I'm just going to speak honestly. That's how

I was raised. For me, I'm also I'm just going to speak honesty. I mean, that's that's how I was raised. And so for me, I realized that early on in my career. And I think that sparked some of it because I didn't play any politics. I didn't really know what that meant at that time. I was a young kid. So I had like you asked me earlier when you said, you know, did you have guys telling me not to say this or not to say that? And Jerry Rice pulled me to the side, you know, one time when some of these, you know, I started going in these postgame, you know, meetings or conferences or press after the games. And, you know, they would ask me, OK, well, what happened in the game? You know, what happened on this play? What was I supposed to do? Lie about it.

They saw the same plays that I was just you know that i just played so i wasn't like i said i didn't have that wherewithal to be skirting around you know answers at that time like i said i did i went to a small school i didn't have any media training all i had was good parenting you know from my grandmother and she basically told me to be honest you know there was no lying with me so i so when I went in there and they asked me you know what happened during a play or during the game that's what I told them so other than that you know I didn't do anything wrong I told the truth and if you don't like the truth then something must be wrong with you hey listen that's exactly why you have a lot of fans too though so

hey live by the sword die by the sword you got a lot of people on your side. Can't wait to try 81 Vino. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Hall of Famer Terrell Owens. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Man. He's awesome. He's an awesome conversation. He's an awesome conversation. There's

a couple things in there that people are going to react to. There's a couple things. Dropback quarterback conversation, obviously. Talking about going from Hall of Fame quarterback to Hall of Fame quarterback. But I hope people talk about him being fucking boots on the ground for 81 veto. 18 months, this guy. Grinding away at his business. And a Blackberry and chocolate.

I'm a big fan of people that, you know, have money, have made it, and go and dive in into their work. You know what I mean? Yeah. If he was testing it the entire time, I'm not a wine guy, but Ty drank an entire bottle last night. So we'll get him on some of this Cabernet here, 81 Vino. I love it.

It's a great price. What's that? It's a great price. What is it? $40. For a bottle? Oh, yeah. Wow.

$40 for a bottle? Yeah. Pretty good. Ty, you're buying all of them. My boy, Ty. I ain't drinking no $40 bottle of Oh, yeah. Wow. $40 for a bottle? Yeah. Pretty good. Ty, you're buying all of them. My boy, Ty. I ain't drinking no $40 bottle of wine. I'll tell you that. I'll try it once.

I ain't going to be buying that every week. What do you mean? Dude. Love you, Terrell. Come on. I saw the funny ones also. What the hell? It ain't happening.

$40? I'm going to buy you a bunch. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Because it's worth it. This song is going to taste good. I'm sure? I'm going to buy you a bunch. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Because it's worth it. This home bitch is going to taste good. I'm sure it does.

The way they put that Hall of Fame jacket on the 2018 bottle. It's going to be good. Big thanks to Terrell for joining us. He's awesome. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. Can't thank you enough. It was a great show. Long ass show.

So if you're still here, we very much appreciate you. You stuck out through a lot of Conville. I hope you enjoyed all of them. I did. I was very thankful for everybody's time today, including the boys. We'll be back, Mignone, with a good little Wednesday. Yeah, great Wednesday. I believe you said we are going to be giving away some money tomorrow.

Oh, yeah, we are going to be giving away some money. You're 100% right. Hashtag end of pod squad. We appreciate you. Ty, please play some independent music and propel these people into a beautiful tuesday night in setup no of a great wednesday no you get it anyways have a great tuesday fucking see tomorrow dude play some independent music all right enough all right no more lies a day I got bills to pay And it's my right to say what my days are done I got wants and needs, I got hands that bleed

Cause there are miles to feed, more than one This old road I'm heading down again Like I'd always done before These old lies I tell myself again How this time it just means more I got ancient pains I got eyes as trained To see what I've gained in losing you. I can't sleep at night, I should have held you tight, thought I knew wrong from right, but that ain't true.

This old road I'm heading down again Like I'd always done before These old lies I tell myself again Now this time it just means more Now this time it just means more You said you needed more When you walked out the door What's all the fighting for Between you and me I know I've done you wrong What's all the fighting for between you and me?

I know I've done you wrong That's why I wrote this damn song Thought we'd just move along Too blind to see This old road I'm heading down again Like I'd always done before These old lies I tell myself again How this time it just means more

This old road I'm heading down again Like I'd always done before These old lies I tell myself again How this time it just means more How this time it just means more. How this time just means more. How this time just means more.